| Jaffa | frals: Nah, it'll be all "where are you? what you doing for dinner?" | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie__ | Jaffa, more than 3 grown men tapping a table just for the hell of it? | 00:00 |
| frals | hehe | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | frals: or "omg harmattan" | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie__: There was booze involved then | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | IRC is excellent for adding another layer of conversation to a silent conference room | 00:00 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | Last year it was good for heckling ;-) | 00:00 |
| frals | we use it quite successfully during lectures at uni... ;o | 00:01 |
| crashanddie__ | Jaffa, but yeah, if you bastards pull the same fast one on me as you did in London, I'll be seriously pissed | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | WTF is going on with my damned wifi | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie__: I'm just doing as I'm told. Like I did in London... | 00:01 |
| crashanddie__ | Jaffa, it emits and miss? (a hit and miss?) | 00:01 |
| crashanddie__ | then let's do it right from the start: you're waiting for me for dinner | 00:02 |
| crashanddie__ | I'll probably be fashionably late again | 00:02 |
| lcuk | crashanddie__, no1 knows what they are doing from one minute to the next | 00:02 |
| * lcuk will be on some rooftop all thursday | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | god knows where on friday | 00:03 |
| crashanddie__ | that badly hit by depression? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | and hungover on saturday | 00:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles should pack warmer: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/06240.html | 00:03 | |
| aSIMULAter | oh great, it's warm | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cold. | 00:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:04 |
| aSIMULAter | compared to here, that's summer | 00:04 |
| lcuk | you can tell those that live in finland | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Coat weather | 00:04 |
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| * Jaffa had to get his big smart winter coat out today :-( | 00:04 | |
| Stskeeps | i sure hope it isn't feeling like winter already like it did in finland. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Warning: you may not be able to see my maemo shirt. :P | 00:05 |
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| * Jaffa said we should get maemo.org coats :-p | 00:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | heading for the first frost here (Fife, Scotland) | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAter | it's friggin cold here | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAter | it sucks | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAter | and it's getting darker | 00:05 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Not a native Finn? | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAter | and this is the time of year when i ponder why i'm even living here | 00:05 |
| aSIMULAter | hehe no i'm well...long story short | 00:06 |
| lcuk | n900 will brighten your life | 00:06 |
| aSIMULAter | i'm from california who lived in london then moved to finland :P | 00:06 |
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| Jaffa | Ah. California's quite warm :) | 00:06 |
| aSIMULAter | yz indeed | 00:06 |
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| Jaffa | Although SF's a bit breezy when I've been | 00:06 |
| aSIMULAter | so cal ftw | 00:06 |
| aSIMULAter | finland's nice except the weather which starts about now and ends in march | 00:07 |
| frals | well southern .fi isnt that bad | 00:07 |
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| aSIMULAter | it's +1 outside | 00:07 |
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| aSIMULAter | that's bad | 00:07 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Nippy | 00:07 |
| aSIMULAter | toadally | 00:07 |
| aSIMULAter | and this country hates me | 00:08 |
| aSIMULAter | i ended up getting allergies since moving here | 00:08 |
| * lcuk puts a jumper on in sympathy | 00:08 | |
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| aSIMULAter | a bit of asthma | 00:08 |
| aSIMULAter | eczema | 00:08 |
| aSIMULAter | my hair is falling out | 00:08 |
| frals | hmm, ~5C here atm, not that bad | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: isn't that just from having to deal with maemo on a daily basis? ;) | 00:08 |
| aSIMULAter | my body isn't made for the almost arctic winters :/ | 00:09 |
| aSIMULAter | Stskeeps: actually good point, that might just be it :P | 00:09 |
| frals | have to start closing the window when going to bed soon ;) | 00:09 |
| aSIMULAter | or just not going outside at all, work from home nad crank up the heater to +30 | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | now we know the real reason for northern lights - its aSIMULAter's generator | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure any grey hairs i have come from dealing with scratchbox. | 00:10 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah so much for keeping on carbon footprint low :/ | 00:10 |
| * lcuk went almost bald fighting dpkg | 00:10 | |
| aSIMULAter | that's a good point too, i have 2 white hairs on my head, probably from maemo who knows..or could be that i'm getting older one or hte other or both | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | Getting older's better than the alternative... | 00:10 |
| lcuk | how do you know theres 2 | 00:10 |
| aSIMULAter | cause my hair is black and u could see it :P | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | didnt you pull em out and hide the truth :P | 00:11 |
| aSIMULAter | i heard a stupid wives tale that if you pull them out they'll multiply | 00:11 |
| aSIMULAter | so i just sort of leave em be | 00:11 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:11 |
| aSIMULAter | maybe i can take a sharpie marker and just sort of colour it | 00:11 |
| frals | haha | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | like in primary school.. | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | I hate computers. | 00:11 |
| lcuk | +1 | 00:11 |
| aSIMULAter | cause computer said no? | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Wifi connects. But then massive packet loss. | 00:12 |
| * Jaffa hates wifi | 00:12 | |
| lcuk | we once ended up ripping off half this classmates eyebrow | 00:12 |
| lcuk | because for some bizarre reason he got chewing gum caught in it | 00:12 |
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| aSIMULAter | lol | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Was alcohol involved? | 00:12 |
| aSIMULAter | or pcp | 00:12 |
| lcuk | no, we are about 12yo | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Again: Was alcohol involved? | 00:13 |
| derf | My next door neighbor got drunk at a party in high school and woke up with just one eyebrow. | 00:13 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:13 |
| aSIMULAter | well time for me to nukku jaja hyvää yötä | 00:13 |
| aSIMULAter | (good night) | 00:13 |
| lcuk | gnite aSIMULAter | 00:13 |
| frals | nn | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 12yo = practically drunk anyway. If alcohol is involved or not. | 00:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | lcuk I just realixed the onedotzero videos that you are in are on the offical n900/maemo site...that is really cool | 00:16 |
| * lcuk nods :) | 00:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, only idiots don't hate computers. | 00:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | they should pay you for using your face... | 00:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tadthebuilder: Eh? They're making a loss by using his face: people rush to close their browser | 00:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, how are you this evening anyway | 00:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | meh | 00:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | just got rejected on a mortgage | 00:19 |
| lcuk | frals, new info on the mms | 00:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | due to zoning issues | 00:19 |
| lcuk | :S yikes | 00:19 |
| frals | wut where lcuk? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | Reply to thread 'Brainstorm: MMS Support' | 00:20 |
| lcuk | 00:20 | |
| * zeenix is playing(streaming) ogg files from N900 on his PS3 | 00:20 | |
| * frals reads | 00:20 | |
| lcuk | its minor, but points to an mms implementation | 00:20 |
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| * lcuk is kicking his presentation | 00:20 | |
| lcuk | why wont the damned thing compile \@/ | 00:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | i dont think kicking will help it compile | 00:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | throwing might though | 00:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | but I would not throw your n900 | 00:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | being one of 50 people who have them.... | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He can throw it in my direction | 00:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | or mine... | 00:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | actually | 00:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | yours would be a better one | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | lol | 00:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | is bribery always wrong? | 00:25 |
| mavhc | no | 00:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'll say no if you give me £10 | 00:25 |
| mavhc | now give me money | 00:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | IF I was to bribe an apraiser into apraising property as residential rather than comercial... | 00:25 |
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| Tadthebuilder | or bribe some in nokia to give me a n900 | 00:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats probably what eldar did | 00:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | or he broke in a took it like in mission impossible | 00:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | but anyway, I came in for a reason today, I had an idea | 00:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I forgot it | 00:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | so ill wait until it comes back... | 00:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | and shut up till then. | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | YEEEEEEEEES! | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | something to do with bribery & liqbase? | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | Three URL records read off one EContact :-D | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: feeling orgasmic? | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Congrats | 00:28 |
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| * javispedro fixes a bug only to find another | 00:28 | |
| * Jaffa has been doing some sick stuff with ctypes | 00:28 | |
| lcuk | !!! jaffa | 00:28 |
| lcuk | i thought you had managed to connect to wifi | 00:28 |
| lcuk | but this is a much bigger deal | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: did that a minute ago | 00:28 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:28 |
| lcuk | ona roll | 00:28 |
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| Tadthebuilder | are we speaking concerning mer? | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | Connecting to wifi took longer than actually finishing off the PoC | 00:28 |
| lcuk | luck virus? | 00:29 |
| frals | cool, that guy who replied to the mmsthread seems to be mad enough to actually code MMS stuff | 00:29 |
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| Jaffa | Now to write a new URL to the GList. | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | frals: will you pay for the cost of admitting him to <insert favourite institution here>? | 00:29 |
| frals | :D | 00:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | im trying to figure out which guy was mad... | 00:31 |
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| mavhc | anyone who sends MMSes is rich anyway | 00:32 |
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| Tadthebuilder | hmm? | 00:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | I ahve sent a couple mmses in my lifetime, im not rich... | 00:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | though they are expensive | 00:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | in my opinion too expensive | 00:35 |
| mavhc | to send enough to test a client | 00:35 |
| mavhc | costs more to send an sms than to download data from hubble, per byte | 00:35 |
| rm_you | MMS = expensive? | 00:35 |
| rm_you | i send like 10 a day | 00:35 |
| rm_you | <_< | 00:35 |
| frals | i got free MMS, so i have to disagree :p | 00:35 |
| rm_you | yeah | 00:36 |
| rm_you | $5 a month gets me unlimited free MMS/SMS | 00:36 |
| rm_you | well not free | 00:36 |
| frals | or well, free within my operator, outside is like 0.15€ or smth | 00:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | what company? | 00:36 |
| rm_you | $5 a month | 00:36 |
| rm_you | TMobile | 00:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 00:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | verizon | 00:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | is much more expensive... | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | CDMA providers are bad news. | 00:36 |
| mavhc | if it costs more than an email it's too expensive | 00:36 |
| rm_you | i was surprised actually, for $30/mo i get unlimited data/SMS | 00:37 |
| rm_you | not bad at all | 00:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | (it seems that n900wallpapers.com is becoming a success even before the n900 i released...) | 00:37 |
| frals | rm_you: what kind of speed is that? | 00:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:37 |
| rm_you | frade: 3G | 00:37 |
| rm_you | *frals | 00:37 |
| rm_you | wow. just wow. | 00:37 |
| * rm_you looking at n900wallpapers | 00:37 | |
| frals | best i can get is 5gb for 16€/month but after 5gb they cap speed to 64kbps for rest of the month :p | 00:37 |
| rm_you | T_T | 00:38 |
| frals | otherwise i get up to 7.2mbit or whatever it is | 00:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | can you get that data plan without a phone service? | 00:38 |
| rm_you | tmo is whatever 3G speed is, no limitations | 00:38 |
| rm_you | doubtful | 00:38 |
| frals | nah its addin to a voice plan here | 00:38 |
| rm_you | Tadthebuilder: ^ | 00:38 |
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| Tadthebuilder | thats cheaper then broadband internet access where I am at...haha | 00:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | I can handle the speeds lol | 00:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:38 |
| mavhc | mobile phone companies only make a billion or so profit a year, they should increase their prices | 00:39 |
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| Tadthebuilder | they would probably make less money if they did that | 00:39 |
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| Tadthebuilder | at some point people would realize that people lived for thousands of tyears without cell phones | 00:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | and they can do that now too | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need a "download all" button. | 00:40 |
| mavhc | my phone company hates me, I'm on PAYG and never make outgoing calls | 00:40 |
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| Tadthebuilder | this may be a strange observation, but tell me what you think.... | 00:40 |
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| Tadthebuilder | the internet as it went into peoples homes was done over phone lines | 00:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | now phone service is done over the internet | 00:40 |
| mavhc | they said I have to make a call every 6 months and top up every 999 days | 00:40 |
| * SpeedEvil is still using his phone line | 00:40 | |
| Tadthebuilder | dsl | 00:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | will we see the same progression in mobile phones? | 00:41 |
| mavhc | phone line cable, not phone line | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: huh? | 00:41 |
| mavhc | LTE is built on IP iirc | 00:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | will in the future we have a pocket computer that happens to be a phone? | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy fuck. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/super-mario-world---yoshis-island-1 | 00:41 |
| mavhc | we'll call it an iphone/n900/etc | 00:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | is ip phone service the future, even for mobile phones? | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo! New URL record added to a contact which already had 3 | 00:42 |
| mavhc | yes | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, phone service will be TCP/IP very soon. | 00:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just think its kinda cool... | 00:42 |
| wazd | n900wallpapers is a nice place to collect IP addresses of n900 owners now :D | 00:42 |
| mavhc | well, IP | 00:42 |
| rm_you | errr | 00:42 |
| rm_you | cell service is VOIP already | 00:42 |
| rm_you | BTW | 00:42 |
| rm_you | for a large number of carriers, at least | 00:43 |
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| rm_you | not all | 00:43 |
| mavhc | landline phone networks are IP internally | 00:43 |
| lcuk | gnite chaps and chappeses | 00:43 |
| lcuk | (ie, you rm | 00:43 |
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| Tadthebuilder | night | 00:43 |
| wazd | Nokia 6300 can use flash as wallpaper, n900 can't :P | 00:43 |
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| rm_you | night lcuk | 00:43 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I was unaware of that | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, OK, where's my app to rotate background once a day? | 00:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | who would want flash as a wall paper? | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't they give us an API for that? | 00:44 |
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| mavhc | rotate by 90 degrees? | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | nah, just 10 | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: /dev/my_ass | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't make me bring this trout over there. | 00:44 |
| wazd | Tadthebuilder: who would use copy/paste?) | 00:44 |
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| rm_you | rofl | 00:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | I use copy and paste on my n800 all the time. Flash as wallpaper add no real functionality to the device | 00:45 |
| rm_you | would love to rotate my desktop 10 degrees every day :P | 00:45 |
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| JoeBrain | Hrmmmm is it worth it to buy a n800 when the n900 is up for preorder? | 00:45 |
| wazd | Tadthebuilder: And I use flash wallpaper, like clock for example. So what? It's the user who decides if he wants to use something, not you or me | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Super Mario or Mars? | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | JoeBrain, not unless you're planning on buying both. | 00:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | super mario | 00:46 |
| mavhc | or want something much cheaper | 00:47 |
| * JoeBrain twiddles his thumbs for x months until n900 comes out | 00:47 | |
| Tadthebuilder | Okay I could see the point of a flash wall paper being a clock but wouldnt it use more resources than a widget? | 00:47 |
| * Tadthebuilder always thinks about minimizing used resources because of his 512 megs of ram on desktop | 00:47 | |
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| wazd | Tadthebuilder: again, it's a matter of choice, not exact solutions | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | lol | 00:49 |
| javispedro | super mario wallpaper | 00:49 |
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| Tadthebuilder | i think its good he made that website | 00:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | some people were discouraging him at one point | 00:50 |
| wazd | The only mistake is the name | 00:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | (or maybe that was a theme website people said he shoudl not make..) | 00:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | what should the name be? | 00:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | seems pretty straight forward to me haha | 00:50 |
| wazd | BTW, not long ago I've asked community if it would be cool to make design-centric maemo site) | 00:51 |
| wazd | It's like .11.34-70.760kbwallpapers.commaemo4.1 | 00:52 |
| * javispedro fixes a bug then adds the workaround into his code either way :) | 00:53 | |
| wazd | What the | 00:53 |
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| Tadthebuilder | wazd: you lost me | 00:53 |
| mavhc | the name is SEO'd | 00:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | SEO | 00:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | ? | 00:54 |
| wazd | SEO must die!11) | 00:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is SEO? | 00:54 |
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| wazd | Search engine optimisation | 00:54 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wonders how to make these sets automagically. | 00:55 | |
| Chewtoy | Hi. | 00:55 |
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| wazd | Theme maker can do that | 00:55 |
| wazd | Well, it has template for that) | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, not a feature of hildon-desktop? | 00:55 |
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| Chewtoy | If I'm not all to rude, I would like to steal some of your help. :x | 00:56 |
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| Chewtoy | How do I pull the wlan-card out of monitor mode? :x | 00:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | chewtoy what device? | 00:57 |
| Chewtoy | n810 | 00:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | do you mean like an offline mode | 00:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: maybe I didn't get your point) | 00:58 |
| Chewtoy | Well. I can't find any networks anymore.. And that's about it.. | 00:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: you mean n900 wallpapers? | 00:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | hmm not sure | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 00:59 |
| Chewtoy | I tried to get kismet to work and to understand it. Now it just don't want to find networks anymore. So I'm guessing I did something bad. | 00:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a tendency to do bad things to my tablets/computers too | 01:00 |
| javispedro | i am still surprised every time I see a 800x480 | 01:01 |
| javispedro | wallpaper | 01:01 |
| javispedro | damn, this gadget has a kick ass dpi. | 01:01 |
| Chewtoy | Is there some command in the x terminal to show what the wireless is doing at all? | 01:01 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:01 |
| rm_you | the screens nokia uses are afuckingmazing | 01:02 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, it's just a wide image, I think it's not hard to make simple script to combine 4 images into one) | 01:02 |
| wazd | Maybe some more advanced drag'n'drop ui will work | 01:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | i just hope the resistive screen is any good | 01:06 |
| Shapeshifter | for usage without the stylus. | 01:06 |
| javispedro | bah. | 01:07 |
| javispedro | it is already on the n810. | 01:07 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo! Hermes just linked my wife's contacts' entry to her Facebook profile in the "URL" field :-) | 01:07 |
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| wazd | Party time?) | 01:08 |
| frals | nice Jaffa :) | 01:08 |
| * VDVsx grabs some beers :) | 01:08 | |
| frals | cant wait to test it out whenever the n900 lands ^^ | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | With URL saving, manual mapping becomes a real possibility | 01:08 |
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| EspadaV8_P | Is it easy to package up something for maemo? | 01:11 |
| javispedro | no | 01:11 |
| javispedro | well | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | Not too bad | 01:11 |
| javispedro | it depends. how many virgins do you have at hand? | 01:11 |
| javispedro | baaah, of course it's easy. | 01:12 |
| EspadaV8_P | 7 virgins | 01:12 |
| EspadaV8_P | At last count | 01:12 |
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| javispedro | that earns you a package that installs but doesn't purge correctly. | 01:13 |
| EspadaV8_P | Hmmm | 01:13 |
| EspadaV8_P | I.ll need to quest some more then | 01:13 |
| javispedro | yes. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | and I'll sleep. cy. | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, Super Mario Bros background is officially the coolest thing ever. | 01:14 |
| EspadaV8_P | Ttfn | 01:15 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:15 |
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| rm_you | lol | 01:15 |
| EspadaV8_P | I might try and package up my app next weekend :) | 01:16 |
| EspadaV8_P | That will be exciting | 01:16 |
| rm_you | yeah there will be some gurus there | 01:16 |
| Tom2_ | check out py2deb article in the wiki for a simpler packaging way | 01:18 |
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| EspadaV8_P | python apps? | 01:19 |
| Chewtoy | EspadaV8_P: What kind of app is it? | 01:19 |
| EspadaV8_P | Qt | 01:20 |
| EspadaV8_P | 4 | 01:20 |
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| Chewtoy | EspadaV8_P: ... And what does it do? | 01:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | EspadaV8_P: The Qt4 Wiki article has a section on packaging a Qt4 app. I like packaging anything that is not a Qt4 app :) | 01:21 |
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| EspadaV8_P | It's an IM app | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/article/article on the maemo.org wiki/ | 01:22 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N810 meant: EspadaV8_P: The Qt4 Wiki article on the maemo.org wiki has a section on packaging a Qt4 app. I like packaging anything that is not a Qt4 app :) | 01:22 |
| EspadaV8_P | :( that doesn't sound good | 01:22 |
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| EspadaV8_P | Oh lordy | 01:38 |
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| EspadaV8_P | That doesn't look easy :( | 01:38 |
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| EspadaV8_P | Someone should create a script for it ;) | 01:39 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. Yes, the SMB background is awesome. Want it? :) | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got it. ;) | 01:41 |
| zerojay | Anyone got wiicontrol working on the N900? | 01:41 |
| zerojay | I get dbus errors. :/ | 01:42 |
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| Tadthebuilder | the guy from the video | 01:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | had it working | 01:43 |
| zerojay | Yes, I know. | 01:44 |
| EspadaV8_P | Wiicontrol? | 01:44 |
| zerojay | Guess I'll wait for him to show up. | 01:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | do you know who it was? | 01:44 |
| EspadaV8_P | I could use the n900 as a controller? | 01:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | wiicontrol is a program that sinks the wiimote to the n[900 | 01:44 |
| EspadaV8_P | Ah | 01:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | (or n800, n810...maybe even the 770 not sure though) | 01:44 |
| paroneayea | zerojay: give me your n900, I'll get it working :) | 01:44 |
| EspadaV8_P | Not the n900 to the wii | 01:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes other way around | 01:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | using the n900 as a wii controller would be kinda strange | 01:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | (and much less useful) | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, Tadthebuilder | 01:45 |
| EspadaV8_P | What could you do with a wiicontroller on the n900? | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | emulation | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | game control | 01:46 |
| EspadaV8_P | Can't point at it | 01:46 |
| EspadaV8_P | Hmmm | 01:46 |
| kynky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 <-- n900 + wiimote in action | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah the other program that does the same thing | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh wait | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | no that is the guys nam | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | e | 01:46 |
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| Tadthebuilder | its only useful for fun | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 01:46 |
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| simula | watch the video espadav8_p :) | 01:46 |
| kynky | +tvout | 01:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | now if you could pair two of them.... | 01:47 |
| EspadaV8_P | Kynky, what's the title for the video? | 01:47 |
| kynky | its bt, dont see ynot | 01:47 |
| kynky | snes on n900 [is title] | 01:47 |
| EspadaV8_P | On the phone so can't open links | 01:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 01:48 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you can hook up more than one device with bluetooth? | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Of course. | 01:48 |
| zerojay | The PS3 and Wii both use Bluetooth for the controllers. | 01:48 |
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| zerojay | PS3 requires pairing over USB first though. | 01:48 |
| kynky | and n900 is just linux | 01:49 |
| zerojay | Doesn't matter. | 01:49 |
| kynky | the possibilities are endless | 01:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought that they had a bluetooth receiver per controller you could hook up | 01:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | so is it a software limit of four? | 01:49 |
| zerojay | No. | 01:49 |
| EspadaV8_P | Ok, that is awesome | 01:49 |
| kynky | linux supports xpad, wireless 360 pads , ftw | 01:49 |
| zerojay | PS3 can do up to 8. | 01:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 01:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | is that a hardware limitation? | 01:50 |
| zerojay | No. | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Linux on PS3 had a limitation of 2 paired controllers. | 01:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | is there a limit anywhere? | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Limitation of BlueZ. | 01:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | by limit | 01:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | I mean hardware limit | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Asked and answered. | 01:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | not exactly | 01:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 01:51 |
| kynky | 4 pads with 360 dongle i think | 01:51 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: No, exactly. | 01:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | I asked if it was a hardware limition, not if their was one....slightly different questions | 01:51 |
| zerojay | I already answered. | 01:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | im a bit confused | 01:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | should I think of bluetooth | 01:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | like wirless | 01:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | wireless* networking | 01:52 |
| kynky | yes | 01:52 |
| simula | but very short range | 01:52 |
| rm_you | bluetooth *is* wireless networking :P | 01:52 |
| rm_you | PAN | 01:52 |
| kynky | bt is low power short range wireless communication | 01:52 |
| zerojay | Every controller has a MAC address, etc... | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | so | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | this means it would be possible to take a n900 | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | to someones house | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | hook it up to their tv | 01:53 |
| rm_you | yes | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | and play super mario kart four player | 01:53 |
| rm_you | yes | 01:53 |
| kynky | like in that video i posted | 01:53 |
| zerojay | No. | 01:53 |
| rm_you | assuming the software stack supports that | 01:53 |
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| zerojay | Because Super Mario doesn't do 4 players from what I remember. :) | 01:54 |
| rm_you | there's nothing in the hardware that would prevent that :P | 01:54 |
| kynky | it does 2 player, lol | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | never mind then | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 01:54 |
| kynky | game limitation | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | that was the only use case I saw for it | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | jkp | 01:54 |
| zerojay | Play on the road, come home, hook it up, play some more. | 01:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | well someone should get on making wiicontrol hook up multiple wiimotes | 01:54 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and the n900 slogan: A party in your pocket | 01:55 |
| simula | and everyone's invited! | 01:55 |
| sheepbat | ..but then you go up to a woman and ask her to pull out your Wii from your pocket? | 01:55 |
| kynky | tegra chip supports 720p output | 01:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | in twelve days | 01:55 |
| rm_you | can the decoder actually decode anything 720p at 25fps? :P | 01:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill ask my wfie | 01:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | wife* | 01:56 |
| kynky | tvout is pal/ntsc | 01:56 |
| zerojay | It's gonna look like shit, but oh well. | 01:56 |
| kynky | so basically 480i iirc | 01:56 |
| rm_you | bbl | 01:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | well if its the snes emulator I think it wont look too much worse than an nes over coaxial | 01:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | snes* | 01:57 |
| kynky | should be basically the same | 01:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | like we dont need 720p for snes | 01:57 |
| kynky | if anything will look better as emulator does better rendering than snes did | 01:57 |
| kynky | the games never supported 720p | 01:58 |
| kynky | even the gamecube max was 480p on games | 01:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | of course not | 01:58 |
| kynky | think wii is 480p too | 01:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is what I was saying | 01:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | 720p did not exist in 1995 | 01:58 |
| kynky | it did | 01:59 |
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| Tadthebuilder | highend computers? | 01:59 |
| kynky | my computer monitor didway bigger | 01:59 |
| kynky | no | 01:59 |
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| kynky | normal computers | 01:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | low end computers? | 01:59 |
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| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 01:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is the resolution of 720p? | 01:59 |
| zerojay | SNES did 256x224. | 01:59 |
| zerojay | So I'm not talking about resolution being shitty. | 02:00 |
| kynky | i had 1600x1200 crt monitor back then, so 1200p, which is bigger than 1080p | 02:00 |
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| Tadthebuilder | so whats is going to be poor quality? framerate? | 02:00 |
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| simula | 1080p is 16:9 | 02:01 |
| zerojay | I really have to spell it out for you? | 02:01 |
| kynky | pal is like 25fps, ntsc is 30fps, so frame rate is fine | 02:01 |
| zerojay | Nothing to do with framerate. | 02:01 |
| kynky | think n900 will cope easily | 02:01 |
| zerojay | Talking about the actual image quality. | 02:01 |
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| zerojay | RCA out when you've been on nothing but HDMI for two or three years... | 02:02 |
| kynky | emulated image quality is way better than original super eagle mode etc | 02:02 |
| zerojay | Including SNES games.... | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | hmmm | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | Ive never used hdmi cables on anything | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | so | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | ... I wont notice | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 02:02 |
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| zerojay | Maybe not. | 02:02 |
| kynky | snes games look better interlaced anywy, try donkey kong country 3 in non interlaced, looks worse | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | wouldnt notice | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause I cannot afford an n900 | 02:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 02:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | im actually kinda hoping | 02:03 |
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| Tadthebuilder | a person sells it cause he cannot figure it out and I can pick it up for cheap used.... | 02:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | sorta | 02:03 |
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| zerojay | I've been doing SNES and a lot more on my PS3 through Linux upscaled to 720P or 1080P with various graphics filters for a while. | 02:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | gotya | 02:04 |
| zerojay | Kind of depressing seeing the PS3 Slim no longer supports Linux. | 02:04 |
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| Tadthebuilder | how does that compare to a softmodded xbox emulating things? | 02:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | other than the fact that the ps3 is whole lot more powerful | 02:05 |
| zerojay | Well, it's not in our case. | 02:05 |
| kynky | softmodded xbox supports upto 1080i | 02:05 |
| zerojay | The Xbox wins with some stuff | 02:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | why is the ps3 not more powerful? | 02:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | or how | 02:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | i mean | 02:05 |
| zerojay | In Linux, the PS3 does not have ANY graphics acceleration whatsoever. | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | I know that it should be... | 02:06 |
| kynky | cos ps3 linux, is crippled, not full power of ps3 | 02:06 |
| zerojay | Not 3d, not even 2d. | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | that could be problematic | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a softmodded xbox somewhere... | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | not sure where though | 02:06 |
| kynky | xbox has nvidia geforce 3.5 iirc | 02:06 |
| kynky | between 3 and 4 | 02:06 |
| zerojay | What I did is I used one of the SPEs in CELL to do the upscaling and take it away from the CPU... so I just tell the emulators to emulate at the original resolution. So SNES runs at 256x224 and then gets upscaled. | 02:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah makes sense | 02:07 |
| kynky | zsnes and snes9x look well good | 02:07 |
| zerojay | The softmodded Xbox would still be the way to go except for MAME, where no one's bothered to rewrite the controller input code since it changed back in v0.85. | 02:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | I almost built a mame cabinet around my xbox...but decided it was too much work | 02:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | I had mame installed and it worked. | 02:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | (still have if i knew where it was...) | 02:08 |
| zerojay | Most stuff still runs fast enough on the PS3 though, especially with the CELL doing scaling for us. | 02:08 |
| kynky | xbox is bad for mame cos of low speed and even worse its lack of ram, linux/windows does better for mame | 02:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | my xbox does mame much better than my desktop computer | 02:08 |
| zerojay | The real problem for MAME is also the fact that it's stuck at a SUPER old version. | 02:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 02:08 |
| kynky | xbox is 600mhz, it struggles oon the super bust a moves | 02:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | but xbox is x86 processor right? | 02:09 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 02:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | that should making porting easier correct? | 02:09 |
| zerojay | CELL = powerpc, another issue making porting harder. | 02:09 |
| zerojay | Sure does. | 02:09 |
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| kynky | xbox had like 256 mb ram | 02:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | when I softmodded my xbox | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still wondering how it is that every console ended up as PPC | 02:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | it was out in the open | 02:09 |
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| kynky | dev units had 512mb | 02:09 |
| zerojay | BZZT. Xbox had 128MB, dev boxes had 256. | 02:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | but aparently at somepoint in time someone said it was ilegal and I could not find alot of stuff concerning it. | 02:10 |
| kynky | zeenix, well even worse then :) | 02:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | something about it was believe that some stuff had been made with a stolen development kit | 02:10 |
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| zerojay | Almost everything on the Xbox was made with the XDK which is completely illegal. | 02:10 |
| zerojay | Which also taints the binaries as illegal. | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah that must be what it was then | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | when I installed the stuff I had no idae | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I went to do it for someone else | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I could not find any of the emulators or anything | 02:11 |
| kynky | cromwell bios was legal, so you could legally run linux on it, and with linux you could run mame etc as long as you owned the games | 02:11 |
| zerojay | The 360 XDK is almost exactly the same. lol | 02:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | well yeah | 02:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | the mame games I used were downloads from the legal list of mame website | 02:12 |
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| GAN800 | I have to laugh at them using Powermac G5s for the E3 demo units. | 02:13 |
| kynky | so n900 should support mame, if it can run debian, should do a better job than xbox in some respects | 02:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | someone should make a console that can be directly developed for with a scratchbox like set up | 02:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | it was lower the entry for making games | 02:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | for the systems | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Open Pandora? | 02:13 |
| kynky | openpandora is good, can do dreamcast now | 02:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I looked at that recently | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | and Im skeptical | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | I checked out the linux dcast emulator | 02:14 |
| kynky | only few hundred units left for this year | 02:14 |
| zeenix | kynky: wrong nick? | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | and aparently only like two games work perfectly | 02:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and many dont work at all | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | unless | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | for some reason the arm processor makes the games run faster or something | 02:14 |
| kynky | zeenix, yeah, sorry, damn autocomplete | 02:14 |
| zerojay | Dreamcast = ARM, so... yeah. :) | 02:15 |
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| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 02:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | then I guess it is possible | 02:15 |
| kynky | dreamcasr was iwindows ce which ran on arm :) , in many respects an xbox beta | 02:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | darni t | 02:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 02:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | dreamcast ran on windows ce? | 02:15 |
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| kynky | yes itsaid it on the case | 02:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | i must of not read the case | 02:16 |
| kynky | games were written in directx | 02:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | interesting | 02:16 |
| kynky | had the sdk | 02:16 |
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| Tadthebuilder | but a working dreamcast emulator on the n900 would make me really want one | 02:16 |
| zerojay | Windows CE was only used in a handful of Dreamcast games. | 02:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | (or a pandora....) | 02:17 |
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| zerojay | Dreamcast didn't run on Windows CE. | 02:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | (Or I could just buy a used dreamcast...but then I would need a tv too) | 02:17 |
| zerojay | CE was just a separate framework available to developers to use for their games. | 02:17 |
| Proteous | soul calibre on the n900 wwould be sweet | 02:17 |
| Proteous | with some sort of controler... | 02:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | wiimote? | 02:17 |
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| zerojay | And Dreamcast games were not written in DirectX, sorry. | 02:18 |
| kynky | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1998/May98/Segagmpr.mspx | 02:18 |
| kynky | it was, i had sdk | 02:18 |
| zerojay | Xbox games were, but with certain DirectX calls being dummied out but still available. | 02:18 |
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| fiferboy | Okay, I need one more person to check out and rate my app | 02:19 |
| zerojay | kynky: I developed on Dreamcast. DirectX was NOT available. | 02:19 |
| fiferboy | Who wants to be a hero? | 02:19 |
| Proteous | not me | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't let him con you! | 02:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | what do i have to do to be aheero? | 02:19 |
| kynky | zerojay, the sdk i used integrated in visual studio | 02:19 |
| Proteous | antihero maybe | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | This very is the bricker! | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/very/version/ | 02:19 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: This version is the bricker! | 02:19 |
| zerojay | kynky: You *MUST* be confused with the Xbox XDK then. | 02:19 |
| fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9 | 02:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | cant help you | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | no n900 | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I would test it if you had one though | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I had one I mean | 02:20 |
| kynky | http://www.angelfire.com/hero/herculesdc/DCWinCE.html <-- Windows. CE Toolkit 2.1 for Dreamcast | 02:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:20 |
| fiferboy | It's the thought that counts | 02:20 |
| zerojay | kynky: I'm not talking about CE. | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | to bad the thought cant get me a n900 hehe | 02:21 |
| fiferboy | I hear that :) | 02:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | if you get me on | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill test every piece of software you right for the next 5 years | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | on the n900 | 02:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | or linux desktop | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | one* | 02:22 |
| lcuk | *write | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | write not right | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | offer is open for anyone | 02:22 |
| fiferboy | I've already written three apps for the N900, and five for the N8x0 | 02:22 |
| zerojay | kynky: Only like... 10 games ever used CE on the Dreamcast. I can promise you that not a single game other than those ever used DirectX for anything. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | If you get me one, I'll be sort-of grateful for a whole 10 minutes! | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | zerojay what games did you have a hand in development | 02:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | lcuk i thought you said goodnight and left? | 02:22 |
| fiferboy | SpeedEvil: I don't know, I think there are better offers out there... | 02:22 |
| kynky | im just saying i programmed dc stuff on that sdk in visual studio, citied 2 proofs | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: I can't talk about that. | 02:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh | 02:23 |
| lcuk | i think i said i was goin, ive got tonnes to do | 02:23 |
| lcuk | just comin up for air and askin a few questions | 02:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | is that how you spell tonnes? I thought it was tons.) | 02:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | would your name by on the credits in the games? | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, ignore the Brit. ;) | 02:23 |
| kynky | zerojay, what sdk did you use ? | 02:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh yeah | 02:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | they spell things differently | 02:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | like colour, and honour, and centre | 02:24 |
| zerojay | One of the guys I work with now was developer technical support at Sega and worked on Quake and some of the stuff he told me was amazing... like how the piracy was caused by a promotion with a Japanese pop star. | 02:24 |
| lcuk | our tonnes weigh more | 02:24 |
| zerojay | kynky: KATANA. | 02:24 |
| kynky | nice | 02:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | so you have more things to do when you say you have tonnes to do then when I say I have tons to do/ | 02:24 |
| zerojay | I don't remember the middleware we used though... almost all DC games used it.. ugh... | 02:25 |
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| Tadthebuilder | now I want a dreamcast...but id rather have an n900 | 02:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | my older brother tried to cut the dreamcast in half when he went to college since it was both of ours... | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ebay for the first... | 02:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | im showing my youth again... | 02:25 |
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| zerojay | I had a Japanese Dreamcast I bought six months ahead of US launch with 4 games for $500. | 02:26 |
| zerojay | And then sold it a week before US launch for $550. lol | 02:26 |
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| zerojay | I just got a brand new DC a few weeks ago | 02:26 |
| zerojay | New in box. | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats a quick way to make a a buck or fifty | 02:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | how did you get a new one? | 02:26 |
| * b-man16 pokes xnt14 | 02:27 | |
| kynky | they still making new dc games :) | 02:27 |
| zerojay | Ah hah.. the firmware we used was CRIWare. | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe sega decided it was a mistake to discontinue it and they are picking up where they left off? | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 02:27 |
| xnt14 | b-man16, konichiwa xD | 02:27 |
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| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: No, some places like Amazon and ThinkGeek found some in their own warehouses. | 02:27 |
| zerojay | Got it for $100. | 02:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is pretty cool | 02:27 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I was kidding about them picking up where they left off | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-DREAMCAST-2-CONTROLLERS-LEADS-10-GAMES_W0QQitemZ160367479520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles?hash=item2556a58ae0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | not too spendy | 02:28 |
| kynky | imho dreamcast > ripped of cd player extension to snes, aka psx | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:28 |
| kynky | and ps2 | 02:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | im confused by your statement kynky | 02:28 |
| zerojay | kynky: Uh.. no. | 02:28 |
| zerojay | PS2 was released after DC. | 02:28 |
| kynky | yep | 02:28 |
| kynky | still preferred dc | 02:28 |
| zerojay | And Sega was not privy to the SNES CD-ROM attachment. | 02:28 |
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| Tadthebuilder | wonder what it costs to get a dc shipped from brittian to US | 02:29 |
| kynky | i was meaning sony was | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 7 n900's | 02:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | (that was also a joke) | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: I assume they're on ebay.com too - that's my ebay search link | 02:29 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: Sony was one of two companies Nintendo partnered up with to create a CD based addon for the SNES, making it a 32-bit machine. Nintendo flipped out and Sony took the technology and made Playstation. | 02:29 |
| kynky | yep | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: sorry. Don't do jokes. Long day :) | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | i was too you to keep up with technology back then :) | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just got whatever system I could talk my parents into buying for Christimas | 02:30 |
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| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: The other company that was partnered up with Nintendo, Phillips, got the ability to license Nintendo characters for their own games... and they did when they released the Phillips CD-i.. and made the worst Zelda and Mario games EVER. | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | (If I could) | 02:30 |
| kynky | cd-i was awful | 02:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | ive never heard of that | 02:30 |
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| Tadthebuilder | any emulators for it? I want to play these horrible games | 02:31 |
| kynky | sony knew how todo marketing though, sega did it really bad in comparison | 02:31 |
| kynky | and saturn was awesome | 02:31 |
| zerojay | There is, but I don't remember it being very good. | 02:31 |
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| zerojay | Sega fucked up massively. The 32X killed them. | 02:31 |
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| Tadthebuilder | but dreamcast | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | fond memories | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | of the hidden mode in power stone that was first person | 02:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought that was aweome | 02:32 |
| kynky | the vmus should have been rechargable | 02:32 |
| zerojay | They promised the world to game devs and promised that Saturn would be out at the same time but only be for the hardcore. | 02:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | note: give me a break I was 12...) | 02:32 |
| zerojay | A lot of companies got pissed. | 02:32 |
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| zerojay | And then when Saturn went down in flames, EA got really pissed and vowed to never put out games on another Sega console again. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | And that's why Dreamcast died. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | No EA. | 02:32 |
| kynky | sonys licensing was very permissive, hence the slew of really rubbish gams | 02:32 |
| zerojay | And EA went out and made their own console instead. | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-w-3-controllers-6-games-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260484304522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games?hash=item3ca6130e8a&_trksid=p4295.c0.m299 | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | EA made there own console? | 02:33 |
| zerojay | Yes, they sure did. | 02:33 |
| kynky | ea=evil , hated what they did to criterion and westwood studios | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | is thirty pounds about equal to fifty USD? | 02:33 |
| zerojay | The 3D0. :) | 02:33 |
| zerojay | kynky: What did they do to Criterion? | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont remember the 3DO either | 02:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | must of not done well | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | What they're doing to Bioware doesn't look good either. | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: pretty much | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | They tend to make good sports games though | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | and they pay a whole lot of money to stop sega from being able to compete | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: I think it's bouncing around 1.6 dollars to the pound at the moment | 02:34 |
| kynky | criterion owned burnout series and also owned a widely used 3d dev platform for games, which many companies used | 02:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah gotya | 02:34 |
| zerojay | kynky: You're about to put your foot in your mouth. :) | 02:34 |
| kynky | ? | 02:34 |
| zerojay | Criterion worked on Renderware, a very highly used middleware. | 02:35 |
| kynky | yeah | 02:35 |
| zerojay | Renderware still lives on. | 02:35 |
| zerojay | But EA only now. | 02:35 |
| zerojay | Burnout Paradise runs on Renderware. | 02:35 |
| kynky | well i thought ea bought them out, criterion that is | 02:35 |
| zerojay | No. | 02:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | what was the name of the system with the horrible zelda? | 02:35 |
| kynky | burnout2 was last criterion game i thought o(of burnout series) | 02:35 |
| zerojay | EA bought them, but it was not some sort of evil takeover. lol | 02:35 |
| zerojay | I talk to the guys at Criterion all the time. I'm one of their 16 top handpicked best players in Burnout Paradise. They send me shit all the time.. I talk to Alex Ward... lol | 02:36 |
| zerojay | I'm the reason they started a public Bugzilla. | 02:36 |
| kynky | well the menu systems to me after burnout 2 got very ea-ified | 02:37 |
| zerojay | EA has nothing bad to do with Burnout or Criterion, at least as far as the company themselves feel. | 02:37 |
| kynky | i loved burnout2 | 02:37 |
| kynky | well the menu systems got a very need for speed feel to me after | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | note to self: Do not get in an argument with zerojay he knows what he is talking about | 02:37 |
| zerojay | I asked Alex about how so many people think EA had anything to do with anything in the game and they don't and told me a funny story about it... that I can't really talk about here unfortunately. | 02:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | the cd-i kinda looks like a vcr | 02:38 |
| zerojay | They wanted me to work for them.. but I just didn't feel like I could cross the ocean for it when I was happy at my current job. :/ | 02:38 |
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| zerojay | Search for my name on their website. You're sure to have a laugh. :) | 02:39 |
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| kynky | got no problem with what u saying zerojay | 02:39 |
| kynky | but burnout2 still my fav in series | 02:40 |
| zerojay | Alex was surprised when I said i never played 1 or 2. | 02:40 |
| zerojay | Just played from 3 onwards. | 02:40 |
| kynky | didnt like crash mode in burnout paradise | 02:40 |
| zerojay | http://www.criteriongames.com/search.php?authorID=8 | 02:41 |
| zerojay | Hehe. | 02:41 |
| zerojay | Here's me finishing off my 350 challenges with Simes and Jez from Criterion. | 02:41 |
| zerojay | Enjoy my headgear. :P | 02:41 |
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| zerojay | I wear the pacman hat all the time at work... lol. | 02:43 |
| kynky | lol | 02:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | I like the pictures of the cd-i zelda games | 02:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | very cool style of art in my opinion | 02:43 |
| zerojay | There's vids on youtube. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate you for not making the Summit, zerojay. :P | 02:43 |
| kynky | cd-i got in news alot in uk for its overly realistic games, iirc | 02:44 |
| zerojay | I hate me for not making summit either. Hehe. | 02:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | im reading the wiki | 02:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I found an emulator...haha | 02:44 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Wanted me to bring the hat? lol | 02:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles still hasn't found a propeller beanie for his video conferencing setup. | 02:45 | |
| Tadthebuilder | The sword is used to attack enemies, fire deadly Power Blasts and communicate with friendly villagers | 02:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | um | 02:45 |
| zerojay | We had some reporter from a Canadian video game show show up at our studio and when she saw me, she flipped out. lol | 02:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats effective communication | 02:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | why did she flip out? | 02:45 |
| zerojay | Because she LOVED the hat so much. | 02:46 |
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| zerojay | Everyone was asking to take pictures with her and she came up and asked to take a pic with me. lol | 02:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:47 |
| zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3705307914/ :D | 02:47 |
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| zerojay | She challenged me in Street Fighter 4.. lol. | 02:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | did she win? | 02:49 |
| Macer | hah | 02:50 |
| Macer | daniel drom sg1 is on andromeda | 02:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | drom is an interesting last name | 02:51 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: We couldn't play. Her camera guy told her that they had to rush out.. she gave me her business card and told me she'd give me a call when she was in town next for the match. | 02:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | sounds likes she is flirting with you | 02:51 |
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| pupnik | cool zerojay | 02:53 |
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| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: You aren't the only one that thought so. | 02:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | if your not married | 02:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | I say flirt back | 02:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:56 |
| zerojay | Ah, but I am. | 02:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | then be faithful to your wife : | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | ) | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | not that I think I need to tell you that | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | you know what sads? the fact that the shenmue story left you hanging...and their is no shenmue 3... | 02:57 |
| zerojay | My wife likes joking that she's my secret girlfriend, lol. | 02:57 |
| zerojay | Shenmue... yeah... that game... I remember back when it was a Virtua Fighter RPG still. | 02:58 |
| zerojay | And then became nothing more than "Excuse me... I'm looking for some sailors." | 02:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | it had that one long | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | fighting scene... | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it was immersive | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | incredibly immersive | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | According to IGN, the game, which cost an unprecedented $70 million to make,[14] would have had to be purchased twice by every single Dreamcast owner in order for Sega to turn a profit | 03:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, so who wants to form the Extras QA team? | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is an Extra QA team? | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | (quality assurance?) | 03:04 |
| Macer | it's funny when the ship argues with herself in andromeda | 03:05 |
| pupnik | how can i help | 03:06 |
| pupnik | what game? | 03:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | sorry that was off topic | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | shenmue... | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like a bugsquad but for testing packages in Extras-testing. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/packages | 03:09 |
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| Tadthebuilder | ah makes sense | 03:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | im willing to test packages for maemo 4 but I know thats not what your looking for :) | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hard for developers to get their stuff through the queue if nobody's testing. | 03:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | if I ever get an n900 | 03:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | Ill help | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You will. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's destiny. :P | 03:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | I cannot afford one on my salary... | 03:12 |
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| Tadthebuilder | maybe used :) | 03:12 |
| crashanddie__ | Hot secretary who can't type for shit: "I put the sexy in dyslexic" | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, go to bed. | 03:12 |
| crashanddie__ | ok, night night | 03:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im hoping a multi-touch fanatic gets one and hates it and sells it :) | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | or you could help out the community by buying me one so I could help out the community | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, I'm not going to be able to get myself one if Nokia doesn't help out. :D | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha okay | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | or unless two multi touch fanatics buy it and then resell it for cheap | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I cant install mer and try it out until I know that sound and liqbase-playground work in it :) | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | github.com/lcuk if someone feels upto to doin some patchin | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer isn't ready for day-to-day yet. | 03:25 |
| lcuk | i think i just filled in my empty circles | 03:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | I know | 03:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | filled in your empty circles? | 03:26 |
| lcuk | if you have a windows pc, http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe | 03:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | well I do but id have to reboot...I have WINE though...so maybe it will work | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | i hear it does | 03:27 |
| lcuk | needs the vb libs tho | 03:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | dont have those... | 03:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is it? | 03:28 |
| lcuk | one of my early glimpses at expressing something | 03:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | um? | 03:29 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.png | 03:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | interesting | 03:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | so you filled an empty circle | 03:30 |
| lcuk | each of those circles is controllable by the mouse | 03:30 |
| lcuk | can be enlarged, or shrunk back down at will | 03:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 03:30 |
| lcuk | and dragged around | 03:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | makes sense | 03:30 |
| lcuk | its physics view from liqbase | 03:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 03:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | so you filled on of those circles? | 03:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | one* | 03:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I want ebook reader :) | 03:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | actually | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dreamed about it last night | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | have liqbase ebook reader....doing the note taking thing... | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | it was like a dream come true | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | except it was just a dream | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | now that I think about it | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | I should not of said that...I just look wierd. | 03:36 |
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| Mousey | g'nite internets.. | 03:40 |
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| GAN800 | FBReader? | 03:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | nope | 03:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | well I use fbreader | 03:50 |
| GAN800 | I've had lots of dreams about Maemo, so don't worry. ;) | 03:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | im a little worried that I might be turning into a nerd... | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had one just the other night, in fact. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC? Check. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | User of a niche Linux product? Check. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dreaming about said product? Check. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds a little late for worry to me. :P | 03:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | see the last one is the | 03:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | clincher | 03:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | if that one had not happened, i think id be okay | 03:51 |
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| Tadthebuilder | gah | 03:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | I did it again | 03:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | INES | 03:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | HATES ME! | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't worry. It's personal. | 03:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | i just hit the escape button | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | on accident all the time | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause its so close to the down dpad on | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | the n800 | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, get a Wiimote. | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have one | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just dont carry it around ever where | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im a small guy | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | the wii mote | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | does not fit in my pocket | 03:57 |
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| lcuk | who knows the maemo.org url to retrieve a user avatar | 04:24 |
| lcuk | based on name | 04:24 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/avatar/lcuk ? or something X-Fade is this something for you# | 04:24 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you any idea/ | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, lost a bunch of karma | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, and, I dunno. | 04:28 |
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| RST38h | morning johnx | 07:43 |
| johnx | allo | 07:43 |
| johnx | that public transit strike should be loads of fun, no? | 07:43 |
| RST38h | if it is not over by 8th | 07:44 |
| johnx | well, I arrive on the 7th... | 07:44 |
| johnx | or wait | 07:44 |
| johnx | I do get there on the 8th | 07:44 |
| johnx | ah. home free :) | 07:44 |
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| studen2 | can anyone help me finding the driver for Nokia CA-50 cable? | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | I doubt cables need drivers. | 08:27 |
| studen2 | yes they do | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | no, I'm pretty sure they don't ;) | 08:28 |
| studen2 | you're not sure about a thing then | 08:28 |
| RST38h | CA-50 is a generic USB cable | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | almost sure. | 08:28 |
| RST38h | You do not need driver. | 08:28 |
| luke-jr | there, someone who knows the specifics to your cable :) | 08:29 |
| studen2 | cause once you plug this one into the usb port a dialog pops up requesting a driver then an unknown device lays there unidentified into the device manager lsit | 08:29 |
| RST38h | That would be the driver for your phone not for the cable. | 08:29 |
| RST38h | What kind of phone do you have? What model? | 08:29 |
| studen2 | the phone was never connected | 08:30 |
| studen2 | how would the pc knows that there is a phone? | 08:30 |
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| studen2 | this ca-50 supports many phones | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Sorry, you are not making sense. You are connecting bare USB cable to your PC and expect it to "work" with some driver? | 08:30 |
| studen2 | but the included cd i bought with it is not installing anything | 08:31 |
| ShadowJK | some of those cables are actually usb-serial adapters | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Some are. | 08:31 |
| MaceN8x0 | what is the name given to elements that naturally form molecules | 08:31 |
| MaceN8x0 | like oxygen | 08:31 |
| RST38h | He probably means this one: http://www.cs-tele.com/mobile-phone-data-cable/usb.htm | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Macer: Atoms? | 08:31 |
| MaceN8x0 | which usually consists of 2 atoms bonded by an electron | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Ah...Gases? =) | 08:32 |
| MaceN8x0 | lol.. there is a special name for them | 08:32 |
| MaceN8x0 | no | 08:32 |
| RST38h | A moment, this requires some creative googling | 08:32 |
| studen2 | Driver for Nokia DKE-2, DKU-2, CA-42, CA-53, CA-70, CA-101 | 08:32 |
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| studen2 | This driver is compatible with the following Nokia data cables: | 08:32 |
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| studen2 | Nokia Charging Connectivity Cable CA-70 | 08:32 |
| RST38h | diatomic elements | 08:32 |
| studen2 | Nokia Charging Connectivity Cable CA-101 | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Here you go | 08:33 |
| studen2 | Nokia Connectivity Adapter Cable CA-42 | 08:33 |
| MaceN8x0 | i mean for elements like oxygen that are usually not really molecules but not really atoms and form in a binary structure | 08:33 |
| studen2 | this is from Nokia website | 08:33 |
| studen2 | apparently there is a driver for cables | 08:33 |
| MaceN8x0 | is it diatomic? | 08:33 |
| RST38h | yea, google says so | 08:33 |
| studen2 | the one i'm looking for is CA-50 | 08:33 |
| studen2 | Nokia Connectivity Adapter Cable CA-50 | 08:33 |
| ShadowJK | is it a genuine original nokia? | 08:34 |
| ShadowJK | it's like it doesn't even exist... | 08:37 |
| studen2 | no not genuine that is why i'm searching indeed | 08:40 |
| studen2 | it's some french crap cable i bought to backup my 1208 contacts | 08:40 |
| studen2 | it was better if i did that manually | 08:40 |
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| ShadowJK | you wont find driver from nokia then :/ | 08:41 |
| studen2 | don't wanna find it on Nokia | 08:42 |
| studen2 | i just wanna find it wherever it might be :) | 08:42 |
| RST38h | go back to that cd | 08:42 |
| RST38h | it is there isn't it? | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | it's most likely a pl2023 with some random usb id to add headache | 08:43 |
| studen2 | no it's not there unfortunately | 08:44 |
| studen2 | what is pl2033?? | 08:44 |
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| ShadowJK | a chip | 08:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | RST38h, thanks | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | so there are no .inf files on the entire cd? | 08:45 |
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| * ShadowJK isn't convinced 1208 would talk anything sensible through that port anyway | 08:48 | |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I suspect he meant he doesn't have a CD | 08:50 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't know if windows comes with drivers for prolific, and I don't know how to tell windows to try a specific driver | 08:52 | |
| ShadowJK | so I'm not of much help here :) | 08:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ all links to "Hildon APIs" are broken | 08:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | actually, all the links are broken | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: it usually means a SDK is coming | 09:04 |
| Shapeshifter | oh | 09:06 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: used that greasemonkey script to make facebook vcards for myself | 09:25 |
| tigert | Jaffa: now I'd need a piece of python to automerge contacts based on name :) | 09:26 |
| tigert | Jaffa: any luck with the photos not updating issue? | 09:27 |
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| Shapeshifter | Isn't there a widget for simple text input in hildon? | 09:28 |
| tigert | Shapeshifter: text entry? | 09:29 |
| Shapeshifter | yes | 09:29 |
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| tigert | GtkEntry? | 09:30 |
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| tigert | no wait | 09:31 |
| tigert | theres HildonEntry | 09:31 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: well, GtkEntry does what I want, but I want to have a hildon popup (from the button) similar to all the other hildon popups (file chooser etc) | 09:31 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: where? http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildon-2.0.4/ not here... | 09:32 |
| Shapeshifter | well, but ideally I would like to make my own pop up | 09:32 |
| tigert | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide < "Hildon 2.2 Widget Ui Specification" | 09:32 |
| tigert | or is this for N810? | 09:32 |
| tigert | I think HildonEntry is for maemo5 | 09:33 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: ahh, thanks. the maemo5 api is down that's why I was looking at this one. | 09:33 |
| Shapeshifter | but that page is quite useful. | 09:33 |
| tigert | so what exactly do you want to do? button and popup doesnt sound like "text entry" anymore :) | 09:33 |
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| tigert | that page contains quite lots stuff | 09:33 |
| tigert | the widget spec is good reading I think | 09:34 |
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| tigert | also styleguide and other stuff | 09:34 |
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| tigert | plus the maemo HIG | 09:34 |
| tigert | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Controls#Hildon_Text_Entry | 09:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | tigert: well, I need a popup with a text field and three drop-down lists. I'll read that guide, I just started ;) | 09:35 |
| tigert | this has stuff too about text entry | 09:35 |
| tigert | aaa | 09:35 |
| tigert | wait | 09:35 |
| tigert | thats hildon touch selector thingy | 09:35 |
| tigert | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Data_selection | 09:36 |
| tigert | this contains something like that | 09:36 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: thanks ^^ | 09:36 |
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| tigert | HildonPickerButton is something to look for too | 09:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | but is it possible to combine these widgets into one "popup". | 09:38 |
| tigert | the HildonPickerButton is this kind of convenience thingy I think | 09:38 |
| Shapeshifter | okay | 09:39 |
| tigert | see section "15 Pickers" from the widget spec | 09:39 |
| * tigert is not a coder so sorry if the information is not that precise :) | 09:39 | |
| tigert | "Examples for using this widget exist in the libhildon1-doc / libhildon1-examples | 09:39 |
| tigert | packages. | 09:39 |
| tigert | " | 09:39 |
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| tigert | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Data_selection#Picker_dialog_and_picker_buttons | 09:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | thanks | 09:42 |
| Macer | wow the g1 is shitty on cpu power | 09:42 |
| tigert | I guess you can add more columns to match your need | 09:42 |
| Macer | like ssh file xfer go 20K/s | 09:42 |
| tigert | Macer: the tmobile android thingy? | 09:42 |
| Macer | yeah | 09:42 |
| tigert | a friend complained also that it was pretty slow in general | 09:42 |
| Macer | that too | 09:43 |
| Macer | but sftp is just obscene | 09:43 |
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| Macer | tetheing to it gives me 70-100 | 09:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | it seems to me like they don't want people to make dialogs which combine different widgets http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/Controls it seems like rather wizard like successions of popups are preferred where the user enters one thing and then presses next etc. | 09:45 |
| Shapeshifter | could this be true? | 09:45 |
| Shapeshifter | or am I missing something | 09:45 |
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| tigert | what is your usecase? | 09:46 |
| tigert | what kind of stuff do you need to input? | 09:46 |
| tigert | the wizard thingy is one way to do stuff if there is a lot of data | 09:47 |
| tigert | so that you can avoid having a long dialog that scrolls | 09:47 |
| Shapeshifter | we can control our office (at the uni) using a web interface, I'm writing a client for it. we can open the door, switch lights etc. all over the web, and we can also send messages to a LED bar. I want a popup where one can enter a simple sentence, choose the scroll direction for appearing and leaving the ledbar (left/right) and the color (a set of 8 color-combinations is possible). the text should be a text entry field, the other three ... | 09:48 |
| Shapeshifter | ... should be drop-down like pickers. | 09:48 |
| tigert | hmm | 09:49 |
| Shapeshifter | so it's just one text entry and three very short drop-down menus. although there are no drop down menus on such a small device, which is smart... so I guess a wizard is okay. | 09:49 |
| tigert | you could do it with text entry and three picker buttons | 09:49 |
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| tigert | basically the dropdown menu got replaced with picker button | 09:50 |
| Shapeshifter | enter text, next. pick entry scrolling direction, next. pick leaving scrolling direction, nect. pick color-combination, done. | 09:50 |
| tigert | nah | 09:50 |
| tigert | thats cumbersome | 09:50 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah I thinks so as well | 09:50 |
| tigert | do it so that it remembers its last set values next time, | 09:50 |
| tigert | and | 09:50 |
| tigert | 09:52 | |
| tigert | .-----------------------------. | 09:52 |
| tigert | | [ enter text... ] | | 09:52 |
| tigert | | ( Entry: from left ) | | 09:52 |
| tigert | | ( Exit: to right ) | | 09:52 |
| tigert | | ( Color: xxx ) [send]| | 09:52 |
| tigert | 09:52 | |
| tigert | those ( ) are buttons | 09:53 |
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| tigert | now you could do it so that the entry and exit buttons are those two-line ones, | 09:53 |
| tigert | that, when you press, just toggle the value | 09:53 |
| Shapeshifter | but if I do a picker button, it will work just the same... even more tapping required: "send message" -> text entry -> picker-button-for-entry-scrolling -> selection of scrolling style -> Done -> picker-button-for-leaving-scrolling -> selection of scrolling style -> done -> picker-button-for-color -> selection of color -> done -> send | 09:53 |
| tigert | picker is just needed for color | 09:53 |
| tigert | no wait | 09:53 |
| tigert | or are those entry and exit ones multi-choice too? | 09:53 |
| tigert | left, right, top, bottom? | 09:54 |
| Shapeshifter | that's more taps than just a wizard, where tapping "next" will launch the next picker right away instead of going back to the dialog. all three choices are text choices, no actual color-picker | 09:54 |
| Shapeshifter | entry/exit area just left/right | 09:54 |
| tigert | basically the picker button is just like dropdown | 09:54 |
| tigert | same number of taps | 09:54 |
| tigert | but its just larger | 09:54 |
| tigert | because a single item picker doesnt have "OK"-button | 09:54 |
| tigert | it just closes after you select the item you need | 09:54 |
| tigert | and if you make it remember the state, you very likely just type a new message | 09:55 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: not really, as picker button also supports multiple choice and as such you need a "done" button. Oh there is "single item picker"? didn't see that | 09:55 |
| tigert | yeah, a single item picker doesnt have ok | 09:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | allright, than thats ideal. now I just need to find out how to combine the widgets | 09:55 |
| tigert | at least I have seen such ones | 09:55 |
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| tigert | do you have a device too or just the sdk? | 09:56 |
| tigert | Shapeshifter: I think the single-selection one doesnt have a done-button | 09:57 |
| tigert | multiselection does | 09:57 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: sdk only. | 09:57 |
| Shapeshifter | found it, HILDON_TOUCH_SELECTOR_SELECTION_MODE_SINGLE | 10:00 |
| Shapeshifter | tigert: thanks for your help | 10:00 |
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| tigert | yeah | 10:00 |
| tigert | ok :) | 10:00 |
| tigert | hopefully that does it | 10:00 |
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| tigert | because the single selection thingy is just to replace a dropdown menu with a more finger-friendly version | 10:00 |
| tigert | same interaction but different looks | 10:00 |
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| tigert | there is also the gtk dropdown widget available as deprecated legacy | 10:01 |
| tigert | but its not really fun to use | 10:01 |
| tigert | so use the selector | 10:01 |
| Shapeshifter | sure | 10:01 |
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| RST38h | remoo | 10:43 |
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| gnuton | Hi | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | tigert: I couldn't reproduce, but I've switched in my dev version to being able to update them via Python, which should improve the robustness | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Yeah, I'd love automerging on matching names. | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Maybe, one day, Hermes could do it. | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| frals | morning | 10:54 |
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| tigert | yeah | 11:02 |
| tigert | and morning | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | morning | 11:03 |
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| Myrtti | moo | 11:08 |
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| tigert | moo | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | /cowsay ? :) | 11:09 |
| tigert | o_O | 11:10 |
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| Macer | hah! | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:20 |
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| samad | hello | 11:26 |
| RST38h | ehlo samad | 11:27 |
| samad | I am implementing the camera for nokia n900 to take picture and i have used * is shown in the correct widget */ | 11:28 |
| samad | gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id(GST_X_OVERLAY(data), | 11:28 |
| samad | GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(widget->window)); | 11:28 |
| samad | but there is an error "undefined symbol: gst_x_overlay_get_type | 11:28 |
| samad | " | 11:28 |
| samad | can anybody help me regarding this error how can i solved ? | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, i see a updated 5.0 timestamp in /pool/maemo/maemo5.0/ | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | err | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | /pool/maemo5.0 | 11:33 |
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| frals | initscripts and statusmenu? ;) | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | statusmenu is out | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | interesting, OSS crash reporter | 11:35 |
| Shapeshifter | I must say the maemo docs are superb | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | they used to be a bit crap | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | but they're heaps better now | 11:36 |
| Shapeshifter | well, at least the UI bit which I'm reading now. loads of code samples, mostly well structured | 11:37 |
| RST38h | What is statusmenu? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the thingie you tap on to show battery level etc | 11:38 |
| RST38h | it got updated? hmmm | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | no, it got oss'ed | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Coooool | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, the bare area | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | microb-eal, microb-engine.. | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | qt in sdk, hm | 11:41 |
| RST38h | Are we finally getting a real 5.0 SDK today? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | looks like it | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm already hoarding sources | 11:43 |
| jjo | damn you're fast | 11:43 |
| RST38h | OSS Hoarder | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Print this on your badge | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | jjo: it was kinda obvious from the 6am edits and API documentation disappearing yesterday | 11:43 |
| frals | API documentation relink to /final/* ;) | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | now where on earth is the nokia-binaries token system again.. | 11:44 |
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| * RST38h moos for wazd | 11:47 | |
| Shapeshifter | mhh... : 180: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type. In 180 I have this: window = hildon_stackable_window_new (); and window has been declared as: HildonWindow *window; | 11:47 |
| RST38h | Shapeshifter: Welcome to GTK "type" system | 11:48 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: what does it want? | 11:48 |
| RST38h | something like GTK_HILDONWINDOW(hildon_*()) will do | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, that's a lot of nokia-binaries | 11:49 |
| jjo | and that's not all | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: You don't say ;) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | shame they're compiled for armv7 :/ | 11:50 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly at Sts | 11:50 | |
| Stskeeps | er. is this the whole system? | 11:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles notices more Nokia @maemo.org addresses popping up. . . . | 11:51 | |
| RST38h | whom have we got? | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | fremantle-feedback at maemo.org | 11:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and the integration address which I was told would be changed, hasn't been. | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: on the other hand, if they're moving into more open, they're as equal part as the rest of the community.. | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, my point was and is that official Nokia addresses should be on official Nokia domains. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't really have an issue with them using http://maemo.org addresses, but @nokia or @maemo.nokia would make much more sense. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | god, i'm only 69% through package list of nokia-binaries O_o | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Packages file increased 4x between b2 and now ;) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: no shit.. :P | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Indexing it for packages interface now. | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, that should help community variants a bit. | 11:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if people will quiet down about ogg. | 11:55 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ever? doubt it | 11:55 |
| kirma | regarding http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS_implementation: suspension of GPRS connections is GSM level issue, if I've understood correctly. more primitive radio/protocol implementations can't operate multiple connections simultaneously, more recent ones can. | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, easy support is available right from Extras before the device is even out. ;) | 11:56 |
| frals | kirma: cool | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i have seen people say this is not enough. | 11:56 |
| * frals does NOT have highlight on MMS, promise! | 11:56 | |
| Stskeeps | at which point i facepalmed. | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: At which point there's no point talking to them. | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i have that feeling with many things | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | As they're a codec nutjob/zealot. | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Hence my reading less of tmo ;-) | 11:56 |
| frals | kirma: do you mind updating the wikipage and adding it in there? :) | 11:57 |
| RST38h | frals: You are the guy who really wants his MMSes right? | 11:57 |
| frals | :rolleyes: maybe? ;) | 11:57 |
| kirma | frals: I'm not a radio engineer though, but I know this applies at least to some simultaneous connection issues on 3GPP stuff. | 11:57 |
| RST38h | frals: I have got a suggestion for you | 11:57 |
| frals | kirma: okey | 11:58 |
| kirma | frals: well, I probably should get maemo account first, not to mention this is not absolute knowledge :) | 11:58 |
| frals | RST38h: shoot! | 11:58 |
| RST38h | frals: You can get 50% of the MMS functionality without modifying the kernel or doing anything at the OS level | 11:58 |
| frals | kirma: hehe, just add it saying its not certain or whatever, and we can pray it works that way ;) | 11:58 |
| kirma | ;) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | frals: Simply implement an image sharing plugin that wraps photo into MMS bullshit and sends it to a web-based MMSC | 11:59 |
| RST38h | frals: One of those "send sms/mms online" services | 11:59 |
| RST38h | frals: This way you can solve the problem entirely by third party development, and still be able to send MMSes (but not receive) | 12:00 |
| frals | RST38h: cool, ill take a look at that :) thanks | 12:00 |
| frals | the receive part *should* be fine, as most operators sends you an URL to get it from afaik, in my experience anyway, if your phone is unable to get it as an mms | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | frals: A bit wrong | 12:01 |
| RST38h | frals: The ALWAYS send you an URL | 12:01 |
| RST38h | frals: But this URL usually points to their internal MMSC that is supposed to be accessed through a separate APN, at higher price than normal internet | 12:02 |
| frals | yeah, but i assume you get a different url instead of the mmsc:// one if your handset doesnt reply correctly to the notification or says it cant get it? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | I do not think so | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | It just continues sitting at the provider's MMSC until you retrieve it | 12:03 |
| kirma | frals: got the idea they have per-IMEI database on the operator... but how the reception capability is established? I think *sending* an MMS message marks the phone as capable to receive them on many operators. | 12:03 |
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| samad | I am implementing the camera for nokia n900 to take picture and i have used * is shown in the correct widget */ | 12:04 |
| samad | <samad> gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id(GST_X_OVERLAY(data), | 12:04 |
| samad | <samad> GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(widget->window)); | 12:04 |
| samad | <samad> but there is an error "undefined symbol: gst_x_overlay_get_type | 12:04 |
| samad | <samad> " | 12:04 |
| samad | <samad> can anybody help me regarding this error how can i solved ? | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | samad: Google to find out which package has that symbol and then make sure you have that installed? | 12:06 |
| samad | i have all pakage installed | 12:07 |
| samad | not compilation errot | 12:07 |
| samad | *eror | 12:07 |
| samad | but run time error | 12:07 |
| keesj | samad: using pkg-config for the gst stuff? | 12:07 |
| RST38h | weird | 12:11 |
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| Stskeepz | bloody netsplits | 12:12 |
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| frals | indeed | 12:13 |
| samad | keesj , i have used : gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 gtkmm-2.4 libosso gdk-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 libhildondesktop-1 hildonmm hildon-fmmm gstreamer-0.10 | 12:13 |
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| samad | and libebook-1.2 alarm bluez libgwobex osso-gpsd osso-addressbook-1.0 gpsbt glib-2.0 | 12:13 |
| Stskeepz | frals: saw my message from before the split about cellmo-headers? | 12:13 |
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| frals | negative | 12:13 |
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| samad | keesj, i have used LIBRARIES=gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 gtkmm-2.4 libosso gdk-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 libhildondesktop-1 hildonmm hildon-fmmm gstreamer-0.10 | 12:13 |
| samad | EXTRA_LIBRARIES=libebook-1.2 alarm bluez libgwobex osso-gpsd osso-addressbook-1.0 gpsbt glib-2.0 | 12:13 |
| frals | so please repeat Stskeepz :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeepz | frals: you'll want to grab maemo 5.0 sdk, look at nokia-binaries, and cellmo-icpr82-headers | 12:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: HELO? | 12:14 |
| frals | cool, ill do that | 12:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 12:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: News. | 12:14 |
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| frals | *starts virtualbox* | 12:14 |
| wazd | 'lo all) | 12:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI73 works. | 12:14 |
| Stskeepz | wazd: how long time are you without proper net btw? | 12:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, need to enable BOTH TI73 and TI83+SE on the menu and a faceplate for TI73 | 12:14 |
| * RST38h is sorry for keeping wazd busy =( | 12:15 | |
| wazd | Stskeepz: tomorrow I'll be online) | 12:15 |
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| RST38h | wazd: TI73 kbd looks like this: http://www.albion.edu/mathcs/MBollman/TI73Ex.gif | 12:15 |
| frals | kirma: yeah, im not sure either, id think they always send out the mms notification where the handset should answer its capabilities and then decides what to do - but im not sure.. im probably gonna mail my carrier and ask :p | 12:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: np, it's better than watching stupid russian soap operas) | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Get Fringe from Torrent ;) | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Although it is kinda boring/formulaic too | 12:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have NO connection!( | 12:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: or should I dl it thru eddge?) | 12:18 |
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| RST38h | wazd: That woulsd be twice cmore expensive than going to a moview theater, longer too =) | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Ministry of Defence's 'How To Stop Leaks' Document is Leaked | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 12:21 |
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| sarower | Good morning all | 12:22 |
| * RST38h is surprised UK still has ministry of defence 8) | 12:22 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: our defense just makes up fake documents and leaks them to the public | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | using google translate, of all things. | 12:23 |
| sarower | I want to make a package where it will guide user during installation and will take user input ( Setting related parameter) for the application | 12:23 |
| sarower | Any body any idea or link! | 12:23 |
| sarower | I know that i have to use GtkAssistant........ | 12:24 |
| sarower | But do not know how! | 12:24 |
| sarower | any help would be appreciated! | 12:24 |
| frals | oh, the api links to 5.0-final is working now (might be old news) :) | 12:25 |
| frals | or well.. some of them anyway :P | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for whatever statement this SDK comes with | 12:26 |
| freemantler | "to get your nokia-binaries token, please be sure to have your birth certificate and that of your son at hand, then call 555..." | 12:29 |
| RST38h | of course you are supposed to call 666 | 12:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: i think it would be as expensive as goin to the movie theater in fricking Tokyo :D | 12:29 |
| RST38h | and your son has to be at hand clothed for the sacrifice | 12:29 |
| frals | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/ hmm | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | look at the lists | 12:31 |
| RST38h | wazd: will be about r600 | 12:32 |
| * wazd has finished most of Mer themee | 12:32 | |
| Stskeeps | woo | 12:32 |
| freemantler | ok, first screenshot of the new sdk wins. | 12:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Pricy, but not total murder like it would be in EU | 12:33 |
| frals | btw how do i browse the nokia-binaries on the site using my token? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | frals: i just edited my fremantle SDK and went into /var/lib/apt | 12:33 |
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| frals | ah right :) | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | freemantler: haven't seen screenshots yet but i wonder.. | 12:33 |
| jjo | wonder if I should try to win... | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | if you actually went all in and have the SDK act somewhat like a real system, i'll be surprised | 12:35 |
| freemantler | well, the race already started, quite a few seconds ago. | 12:35 |
| sarower | No help? | 12:36 |
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| sarower | I want to make a package where it will guide user during installation and will take user input ( Setting related parameter) for the application. Any body any idea or link! I know that i have to use GtkAssistant.......But do not know how! any help would be appreciated! | 12:37 |
| sarower | or i can use "HildonWizardDialog". | 12:38 |
| jjo | freemantler: remember to installa the nokia-apps package, you'll get prettier screenshots with it installed | 12:38 |
| sarower | any body? | 12:44 |
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| sarower | I know there are some gys who know but not answering me! | 12:44 |
| RST38h | that is because you have spent all your support credits | 12:46 |
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| sarower | means? | 12:50 |
| sarower | vab nao na? | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: +1 | 12:51 |
| freemantler | not mean user input during package instalation is discouraged | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | sarower: You should do that on first run. | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | sarower: Not on installation | 12:53 |
| sarower | X-Fade: Yah i can do that but who will run it first? | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | sarower: ? | 12:54 |
| Myrtti | E_MAEKNOSENSE | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Is that a Symbian error code? | 12:55 |
| freemantler | a government representative will run it first. | 12:55 |
| sarower | X-Fade: Suppose i have done installation but should i do that when user will run the application first time? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | sarower: Yes? That should not be too hard? | 12:56 |
| sarower | X-Fade: But is not it possible during installation? | 12:56 |
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| wazd | RST38h: i think you will be happy with new theme :) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | sarower: You should not bother users during installation. | 12:56 |
| * RST38h salivates | 12:57 | |
| RST38h | wazd: I can try running the thememaker here, if you want me to | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd, remember a good background too | 12:57 |
| sarower | X-Fade: Ok, but if i want that the wizard will be run automatically when user finish installation... | 12:57 |
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| sarower | Is it possible? | 12:58 |
| wazd | The only thing I haven't changed are desktop widgets | 12:58 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: wide or 800x480? | 12:58 |
| sarower | X-Fade: I do not want to wait for the user to open the application / wizard! | 12:58 |
| sarower | X-Fade: You got me? | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | panoramic i guess | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | sarower: It is irrelevant what you want. You should not do that during installation. | 12:59 |
| range | sarower: I do not want the developer to get on my nerves during installation. | 12:59 |
| frals | forcing users to do something is mean :( | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | sarower: You should install with sane defaults. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | sarower: And then ask questions on first run, with a wizard if you like. | 12:59 |
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| sarower | X-Fade: Ok but after finishing the installation i want that the application will be run automatically. How it could be? | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | sarower: Call it in your post install script? | 13:01 |
| sarower | postinst? | 13:01 |
| sarower | X-Fade: postinst? | 13:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll quickly remake applets and send you .png | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: acknowledged | 13:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll use ubershiny buttons for pinkk theme :P | 13:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: 4x800x480 pink hello kitty background? =) | 13:08 |
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| wazd | RST38h: sure) | 13:09 |
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| Myrtti | ew | 13:12 |
| GAN800 | Too much stuff in nokia-binaries. :( | 13:14 |
| GAN800 | What the hell is tablet-browser doing there? | 13:14 |
| RST38h | it browses? | 13:15 |
| RST38h | has always been closed-sourced afaik | 13:15 |
| * GAN800 was under the impression it would be open in Fremantle. | 13:15 | |
| range | I thought the UI only? | 13:15 |
| GAN800 | Engine is open since it's Gecko | 13:16 |
| GAN800 | but the UI was supposed to be open in Fremantle. | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Do you want to beautify http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation a bit? | 13:17 |
| frals | hmm, was multi desktops in the last sdk? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: together with the gitorious announcement we dont have to wait for next sdk release | 13:18 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, maybe later. | 13:19 |
| GAN800 | We need to grab some stuff from the default mediawiki CSS. | 13:19 |
| GAN800 | Those edit buttons look silly header sized. | 13:19 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps I just need to convince people to move over to gitorious now :-) | 13:19 |
| GAN800 | Poor neglected Garage. | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | tekojo: Start with moving HAM as it is already at gitorious ;) | 13:20 |
| jjo | GAN800: too much stuff in the repository or the meta package? | 13:21 |
| GAN800 | jjo, too much stuff that should be in free. | 13:22 |
| jjo | ok, agreed | 13:22 |
| jjo | the meta package pulls in some free stuff also | 13:23 |
| * GAN800 really wants to know what's up with MicroB. | 13:23 | |
| jjo | but the repository is bigger than ever before now that it contains a bunch of applications as well | 13:23 |
| GAN800 | I'm not going to be happy if it turns out we can't fix Nokia's idiotic UI decisions. | 13:24 |
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| wazd | Russian social ads are absolutely ridiculous | 13:24 |
| wazd | Just saw ad bout how bad to drink alcohol | 13:25 |
| wazd | AAnd as alcohol they showed fucking wine! | 13:25 |
| wazd | Why not milk? | 13:25 |
| RST38h | because kefir has got lower alcohol content? =) | 13:26 |
| jumpula | it has? | 13:27 |
| * jumpula stops drinking milk | 13:27 | |
| Macer | touchbook is definately on its way | 13:27 |
| Macer | i should get it some time this week. it left california and is in route to chicago | 13:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Speaking of social ads, check out this one: http://fms.komkon.org/graphics/Kitties.jpg | 13:28 |
| RST38h | Suicide promotion! | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | Hmm is libjingle gone to closed now? | 13:29 |
| Macer | haha | 13:29 |
| Macer | id sure hope not | 13:29 |
| Macer | that would like totally go against the principle if jingle :) | 13:31 |
| Macer | i wonder if i can stick a webcam on the netbook | 13:31 |
| Macer | i've never used a webcam in linux unlessyou count that crap gizmo | 13:31 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get tip calculators. | 13:35 | |
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| Jaffa | Wow, shiny apps in the SDK,. | 13:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, how do I nuke my beta install so I can install this? | 13:45 |
| zerojay | ? | 13:46 |
| RST38h | General: run maemo-sdk | 13:47 |
| RST38h | and select an option | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have one of those. | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | gstreamer packages are colliding trying to do a dist-upgrade on the beta2. | 13:48 |
| frals | hmm.. libdrm-dev_2.3.1-3 | 13:48 |
| RST38h | any references to ofono? =) | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too early for oFono. | 13:49 |
| jjo | upgrade doesn't work flawlessly because of the gstreamer packages | 13:49 |
| RST38h | Quim said it is not going to be used in fremantle, rather fremantle parts will be used in ofoto | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't libdrm a PowerVR thing? | 13:49 |
| RST38h | why? | 13:50 |
| jjo | that's why it's recommended to reinstall if possible | 13:50 |
| frals | yeah, gstreamer didnt like me upgrading at all | 13:50 |
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| X-Fade | frals: direct rendering manager | 13:50 |
| frals | right, makes sense | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | frals: not drm as in evil ;) | 13:50 |
| frals | :D | 13:51 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | frals: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libdrm-dev/ | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | The upgrade for each SDK release really needs to be improved | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org needs a server upgrade again. <_< | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | "Reinstall". But what about maintaining build environments for earlier Maemo versions etc. | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Good, that is already planned :) | 13:51 |
| jjo | Jaffa: reinstall the sdk | 13:53 |
| jjo | old targets can stay | 13:53 |
| frals | maemo.org/packages sure is taking its time now :D | 13:53 |
| jjo | I agree, the upgrade should work, but we rely on packages made by other people | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | jjo: The official line is to reinstall Scratchbox. Previous instructions (haven't looked at these ones) has been light on re-installing the SDK, but maintaining Scratchbox (big assumptions that you know - and care deeply - about Scratchbox's capabilities ;-)) | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | jjo: Really? I thought Maemo Devices rebuilt everything? | 13:56 |
| jjo | well, there are some new sb packages | 13:56 |
| jjo | but apt will upgrade them without losing data | 13:57 |
| suihkulokki | libgnome-menu-dev appears to be missing from hildon-desktop build-deps | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | jjo: Apt in the host OS? | 13:57 |
| jjo | yes | 13:57 |
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| jjo | ant the sb installer has an upgrade option also, but it works fine only with .deb packages | 13:58 |
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| jjo | Jaffa: what I ment about relyin on packages by other people is that the sdk team takes packages form the product side | 13:59 |
| jjo | and the product is not always upgradeable nor do they aim to be, at least before the release | 14:00 |
| Corsac | hmmh, the sdk is still i386 only? | 14:00 |
| jjo | kinda | 14:01 |
| jjo | we haven't got 64-bit packages for scratchbox | 14:01 |
| jjo | but like previously, the 32-bit packages will install and afaik work on 64-bit machines | 14:01 |
| jjo | the installer has an option for that also ;) | 14:02 |
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| Jaffa | jjo: Is there a doc, linked to from somewhere (possibly hosted on the wiki) that says the best way of running Maemo 5 and Maemo 4 SDKs side-by-side? Install fremantle SDK using newest installer, then install rootstraps for earlier OS? | 14:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oops, SDK refers to "maemo" | 14:04 |
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| jjo | I can't think of a document for that, but I believe that after installing fremantle the latest diablo sdk installer can be used to get the diablo | 14:04 |
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| jjo | seems it can't | 14:06 |
| jjo | not without installing the toolchains needed by diablo | 14:06 |
| jjo | upgrading from diablo is easier that way | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | jjo: So use Diablo installer, and then the Fremantle one on top? | 14:08 |
| jjo | I haven't tried that either but it should work if you use the upgrade option of the fremantle sb installer | 14:09 |
| jjo | I'll see if we can provide some documentation for that | 14:09 |
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| Jaffa | jjo: Thanks | 14:10 |
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| samad | hi all | 14:11 |
| samad | can anybody help me regarding the following issue | 14:12 |
| samad | i am implementing camera for Nokia N900 and used | 14:12 |
| samad | gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id(GST_X_OVERLAY(data),GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW(widget->window)); | 14:12 |
| samad | compilation error 0 | 14:12 |
| samad | but when run the appication it shows | 14:12 |
| samad | undefined symbol: gst_x_overlay_get_type | 14:12 |
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| ab | samad, link against libgstinterfaces-0.10 | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, we don't have tab on the keyboard so let's break it! | 14:18 |
| samad | ab, i am not clear about "link against libgstinterfaces-0.10" | 14:19 |
| ab | samad, which means you need to use gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 pkgconfig | 14:19 |
| ab | samad, your application uses GstXOverlay class. The interface helpers for this class are defined in gstreamer-interfaces library. | 14:21 |
| Corsac | jjo: I'd very much appreciate not to break my host :p | 14:21 |
| Corsac | does the sdk use sb2 or sb1? | 14:21 |
| samad | ab , i am checking | 14:22 |
| tbf | Jaffa: what about using the virtual Maemo5 SDK? | 14:23 |
| tbf | Jaffa: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:24 |
| samad | ab, i didn't find name gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 | 14:27 |
| samad | so is it missing pkg? | 14:27 |
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| Flyser | Hi, I just tried to install the maemo5 sdk (beta2), but it fails with: http://nopaste.org/p/a01tZpMkob | 14:28 |
| Flyser | Any idea how to fix that? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | get final SDK instead | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | Flyser: The final SDK has just been released. You might want to try that one. | 14:29 |
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| jjo | Corsac: why would you break your host? | 14:29 |
| Flyser | will do that. thanks :-) | 14:29 |
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| Jaffa | tbf: What about using it? Does it have Maemo 4 SDK too? | 14:30 |
| Corsac | jjo: I usually don't like to install programs without using apt, especially not in root folder and especially not outside of FHS | 14:31 |
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| Corsac | I'd be fine with an apt-get installed scratchbox, with a chroot in my home folder | 14:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Is there a working URL to the latets documentation? | 14:31 |
| Corsac | or a sb install in .local | 14:31 |
| RST38h | (i.e. SDK reference) | 14:31 |
| ab | samad, libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev or so | 14:31 |
| tbf | Jaffa: no idea. but you could install the Maemo 4 SDK natively or within another VM | 14:31 |
| * Jaffa finds having a whole other environment a bit distasteful; and would rather the VM was exporting a display to my main desktop (or just running Eclipse or something fullscreen/lightweight WM) and using the host FS as much as possible. | 14:31 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: wiki.maemo.org/Documentation ? | 14:31 |
| Corsac | but /scratchbox is not really fine :/ | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: seemed tocover beta2 just one hour ago | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Or http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/ ? | 14:32 |
| * Jaffa started building a new VM which used the VM for the runtime environment, but data still stored on your main disk | 14:32 | |
| jjo | Corsac: for the 64-bit machines the installer will download dep pacages using wget and install them using dpgk if dpkg is available | 14:32 |
| wazd | Ok, .png is ready | 14:32 |
| jjo | Corsac: tar packages will only be used as last resort | 14:32 |
| tbf | Jaffa: using a VM for the SDK also has the advantage that you don't always have to switch CPU target of your SDK permanently | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | tbf: And two separate, isolated VMs won't help me test and deploy the same package on multiple SDKs easily | 14:32 |
| Corsac | hmh | 14:33 |
| Corsac | grep -c amd64 maemo-s* | 14:33 |
| Corsac | maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh:0 | 14:33 |
| Corsac | maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh:0 | 14:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Aye aye sir | 14:33 |
| * RST38h will have to wait until the final sdk is released for SB2 though | 14:33 | |
| samad | ab, thanks a lot and hope i will get it from google search | 14:33 |
| Corsac | ha ok, I missed the /etc/apt/sources.list.d stuff | 14:33 |
| * frals is trying to figure out where to hook in to the SMS/Call parts | 14:35 | |
| Corsac | W: Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 14:35 |
| Corsac | OK! | 14:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: file is trying to leave my tablet) | 14:36 |
| Jaffa | tbf: `sb-menu' isn't that bad. Got to switch between armel and x86 regularly when building & testing anyway | 14:36 |
| Corsac | http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/ >< | 14:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: =) | 14:36 |
| tbf | Jaffa: this switching usually drives me nuts. | 14:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: out | 14:36 |
| gcobb | tbf, Jaffa: in my experience the VM is much too slow -- at least for compiling about 80 packages (GPE, Opensync, Xsisusb for Chinook and Fremantle) each night | 14:36 |
| RST38h | <out for ~15 mins> | 14:36 |
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| tbf | Jaffa: but could be that i just have too many separate packages to rebuild ;-) | 14:37 |
| jjo | Corsac: apt will not works because the lack of 64-bit packages | 14:37 |
| jjo | Corsac: manually downloading and using dpkg with --force-architecture will | 14:37 |
| gcobb | I currently have Chinook and Fremantle Beta 2 SDK working in a single SB environment (on my 64-bit system) and I am sure we can make it work with the Final SDK as well | 14:37 |
| tbf | jjo: Corsac: just run dpkg with "--nodeps" switch or how it is called | 14:38 |
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| tbf | jjo: Corsac: according to some people the i386 sb package works just fine on amd64 | 14:38 |
| Corsac | yeah well, until we properly support multiarch, no way I install i386 on my amd64 host | 14:39 |
| tbf | jjo: Corsac: some of the sb scripts even check for running on 64 bit and do special stuff | 14:39 |
| Corsac | that's just awful | 14:39 |
| tbf | Corsac: http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 | 14:39 |
| tbf | Corsac: just be pragmatic ;-) | 14:40 |
| tbf | Corsac: well, or repackage for amd64 and share :-D | 14:41 |
| wazd | Is final SDK out? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: indeed | 14:41 |
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| Corsac | tbf: do we have the .dsc? | 14:41 |
| GAN800 | Can we please kill the floating midgard bar with fire? | 14:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: cool, now I need to bend my hands in the right way) | 14:41 |
| jjardon | maemo sdk 5 final version released! | 14:41 |
| GAN800 | It's impossible to browse maemo.org logged in. | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: old news ;p | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 14:42 |
| wazd | Noway?! | 14:42 |
| tbf | Corsac: it should be there. otherwise file a bug and let andre bug the right people :-D | 14:42 |
| jjardon | strange, no mention to GTK+ in "Available runtimes" :/ | 14:42 |
| frals | rtcom-eventlogger.. MMS logging.. hmm | 14:43 |
| tbf | jjardon: probably 'cause the UI toolkit is called "Hildon"? ;-) | 14:43 |
| Jaffa | gcobb: Thanks for the info | 14:43 |
| Corsac | tbf: W: Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found | 14:43 |
| Corsac | :) | 14:43 |
| jjardon | tbf, well, no mention to hildon either | 14:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: rst will spread theme .deb around, too expensive for me) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: k | 14:44 |
| tbf | Corsac: sucks. bug report time :-D | 14:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: i've replaced icons with standard ones cause there was a strange bug - they were not shown | 14:45 |
| tbf | Corsac: hmm! http://scratchbox.org/cgi-bin/darcsweb.cgi?r=1.0/scratchbox;a=tree;f=/debian | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: er, standard ones? | 14:46 |
| tbf | Corsac: seems you have to repackage from darcs instead of apt-get | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: there is a bug where you needed to restart at least | 14:46 |
| Corsac | tbf: not really a problem though | 14:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh | 14:49 |
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| sharpie | Are there any plans for having OpenCL on maemo? | 14:50 |
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| jjardon | tbf, http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=flors.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forum.nokia.com%2Finfo%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2Fc05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465%2FMaemo_5_SDK.html | 14:51 |
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| tbf | jjardon: weird that it highlights Qt but forgets Hildon/GTK | 14:53 |
| tbf | jjardon: seems some clueless wrote that page | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps people just wants to forget about hildon ;) | 14:53 |
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| tbf | Stskeeps: problem: Qt is not quite there yet on Fremantle | 14:54 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps, and Fremantle is all hildon/gtk+, Qt support is not official I think | 14:55 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: you have to jump through quite some loops to make Qt apps follow the fremantle layout guide... | 14:55 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: where as Hildon provides all the layout guide convenience API | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: qt's in the SDK though | 14:55 |
| tbf | jjardon: do me it seems the author of that page mixed up Fremantle and Harmattan | 14:55 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: but not the featured toolkit yet | 14:56 |
| glass | qt is the hype word of the year, regardless of where it is at on the devices | 14:56 |
| tbf | glass: at least some upper nokians believe that :-D | 14:56 |
| jjardon | Stskeeps, As far as I know the default toolkit dor fremantle is still fildon/gtk, in harmattan will be Qt | 14:56 |
| glass | tbf: yeh.. they don't do much hands on stuff though... it seems | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: yes yes, note my smiley :P | 14:57 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Ping? | 14:57 |
| tbf | glass: my C++ loving boss was relatively enthusiastic about the qt thing, now he just mumbles all the time: "should start a project to port Qt to C++. maybe call it qtmm." | 14:58 |
| VDVsx | dneary, pong | 14:58 |
| glass | tbf: hehe | 14:58 |
| Corsac | tbf: pff, doesn't build | 14:58 |
| Corsac | the packaging looks awful :/ | 14:58 |
| Corsac | znyway, have to go | 14:59 |
| Corsac | seeya | 14:59 |
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| jjardon | Stskeeps, oh, yes, I've seen it ;). Sorry, I'm a bit frustrated because I think It's a big fail from nokia to not mention hildon/gtk+ in his rel notes | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | jjardon: probably right | 15:01 |
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| * RST38h reyawns | 15:08 | |
| RST38h | wazd: Trying to install Thememaker | 15:11 |
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| wazd | Woo, I've made looped background :) | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Flying hellokitties? =) | 15:22 |
| wazd | Not that hardcore :) | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Sorry, can't quite generate the .deb here: system is not quite compatible with what ThemeMaker expects, will have to wait until evening | 15:22 |
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| aol_ | where can I find instructions to install the final sdk ? | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The .desktops for the pano backgrounds are obnoxious. | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it hard to just host images. | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | aol_, they should be up on Forum Nokia. | 15:23 |
| aol_ | ah right, thanks. For some reason i was looking in maemo.org | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | hm, qt-maemo in cph | 15:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aol_, it's all just moved to Forum Nokia. | 15:26 |
| aol_ | nice thing I spend whole yesterday installing the previous sdk and to have Qt dev environment :P | 15:26 |
| aol_ | hehe | 15:26 |
| aol_ | luckily I'm paid by hour | 15:27 |
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| X-Fade | gnuton: ping? | 15:28 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if 'grandma's slideshow' presentation style is bad | 15:29 | |
| RST38h | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in has a mistake | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Section: user/other <==== | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Nice find. Can you please file a bug? | 15:30 |
| RST38h | Filing. | 15:30 |
| gnuton | X-Fade, hey man! :D | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | gnuton: Now that qt is in SDK, can you please make sure that that the one in extras-devel matches? | 15:31 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: url? | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | gnuton: qt in SDK is newer than in extras-devel. | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: above | 15:32 |
| gnuton | X-Fade, I know. you can remove old Qt packages we have in extras-devel | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Ctrl+F and search for user/other | 15:32 |
| gnuton | X-Fade, all of them. | 15:33 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: mind being really nice and explain what's wrong with that? | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: That is an illegal section. | 15:33 |
| * Myrtti hasn't got teh brain today | 15:33 | |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: and it should be... ? | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 15:34 |
| Myrtti | never mind then, I'll let someone else fix it in the LaTeX then | 15:34 |
| * Myrtti returns to fix the scripts | 15:35 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280 | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: user/other is no longer a valid repo section | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: The repo management is really anal now about section names, so it will never let you move such a package out of Extras-devel | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just used by h-a-m as a catch-all for anything using invalid sections. | 15:35 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: and since I know jack shit about packaging and what the correct repo section might be, I can't correct it to what it should be, but I guess jatikka will know what to do. | 15:36 |
| * Myrtti gets more tea | 15:36 | |
| RST38h | Myrtti: I think we can handle it between ourselves. Let me check where other sharing plugins are placed... | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: guess where, not sharing plugins ;) | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, probably just Nokia being spiteful for us having shot down user/sharing-plugins :roll: | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: right | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | General: Look who you are talking too, I still want user/emulation =) | 15:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, we're already having to scroll for 2 categories in Fremantle. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | An odd number just wont work. :P | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | General: Icons. Llike on Iphone. | 15:42 |
| * RST38h hopes that with h-a-m open sourced someone will eventually do icons | 15:43 | |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: should be in user/multimedia | 15:45 |
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| * Myrtti fixes it in the source | 15:45 | |
| Myrtti | I'm sure someone else fixes it too, but oh well | 15:45 |
| Myrtti | atleast I don't need to watch it in my trunk | 15:46 |
| lopz | hey | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: could you upload wazd's template.png somewhere? | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | h-a-m has been open source since day 1. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | (if you have a final one) | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and the iPhone doesn't use icons for categories. | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | right, nevermind | 15:48 |
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| Myrtti | there isn't such a section in my sources. | 15:49 |
| * Myrtti does a grep | 15:49 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: can you plz forward that png to Stskeeps? | 15:51 |
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| wazd | RST38h: and how's it overall? | 15:52 |
| Myrtti | btw, it's a wiki, you can fix it yourself to that | 15:52 |
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| Myrtti | I guess this would need to be reviewed as well... http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing | 15:54 |
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| vesa | right, so. the final sdk is out, is the 'pre final' image updated also or is that still beta2? | 15:56 |
| chritto | I second that question, vesa! | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Norair agrees. “If they can successfully get half the power of an Intel chip with a cluster of microcontrollers, it will be a great success,” he says, “because the power consumption can be so low on these clusters and they have a level of robustness we haven’t seen yet.”' | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | hahahahahahahahahahah | 15:57 |
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| glass__ | well they do have the power of an intel chip now. from 1981.. | 15:58 |
| aol_ | vesa: I tried that pre final vmware image yesterday and it still had the beta2 sdk | 15:58 |
| aol_ | it's also dated in september | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: A moment | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: buttons still look too shiny to me | 15:58 |
| aol_ | also Qt was not installed | 15:58 |
| dneary | Hi | 15:58 |
| RST38h | looks clean and nice overally | 15:59 |
| dneary | Is luarvique around? | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: email? | 15:59 |
| dneary | I can't remember IRC nicks | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: carsten.munk@gmail.com | 15:59 |
| RST38h | dneary: Who raised me from slumber? | 15:59 |
| RST38h | dneary: have you brought a sacrifical lamb? | 15:59 |
| dneary | RST38h: Bug #5280 | 15:59 |
| vesa | aol_: yeah, reading that flors post has a comment that says 'were uploading it right now' | 15:59 |
| RST38h | dneary: a moment | 15:59 |
| dneary | A sacrificial comment :) | 15:59 |
| vesa | here's to hoping they have a nice phat pipe =) | 15:59 |
| dneary | What's wrong with "user/other" as a section in H-A-M? | 16:00 |
| hendry | if I wanted to get the sources of the libsoup-2.4 package in Fremantle, where would I find them please? | 16:00 |
| RST38h | dneary: repository promotion script apparently does not agree with you | 16:00 |
| dneary | RST38h: Packaging docs do | 16:00 |
| aol_ | vesa: ah. I wonder if I should wait for that then | 16:00 |
| RST38h | dneary: So that second reference should be fixed as well | 16:00 |
| aol_ | I started building my own | 16:00 |
| RST38h | dneary: then fix the packaging docs. Should I file another bug? | 16:01 |
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| dneary | Or hildon-application-manager should | 16:01 |
| dneary | Let me ask Jeremiah, we'll get some kind of answer on whether it's valid or not. | 16:01 |
| dneary | Can you paste the error from the repository promotion script into a comment on that bug, please? | 16:01 |
| dneary | jeremiah: Ping? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | dneary: I do not remember the error and can't currently recreate it | 16:03 |
| RST38h | dneary: X-Fade or jeremiah are your best bets here | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | dneary: illegal section | 16:03 |
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| dneary | RST38h: Well, it'll be the proof that user/other is not allowed | 16:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Is user/other supposed to be a valid section? | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | dneary: no | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: do you have the big slide with mer ports somewhere? | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | dneary: https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 16:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 16:05 |
| jeremiah | dneary: Hi there! | 16:05 |
| dneary | X-Fade: That should agree with http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: in psd? i need a plainer version without the top and bottom bars | 16:05 |
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| dneary | Hi jeremiah | 16:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: buttons are identical to vkb | 16:06 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: In that guide, it says "If the package's section starts "user/", but is not any of the above, the Application Manager forces them into an "Other" section. " | 16:07 |
| dneary | Doesn't that imply that user/other should be OK? | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No. | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | dneary: It forces them in Other, but it should be used. | 16:07 |
| fiferboy | I made it to extras! | 16:07 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 | 16:08 |
| dneary | X-Fade: So what is your suggestion for the packaging guide, and for the example plug-in? | 16:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Thank you, Stskeeps | 16:09 |
| dneary | jeremiah: Perhaps you could have a look at bug #5280 and let me know what your take is, please? | 16:09 |
| jeremiah | Yes, of course. | 16:09 |
| dneary | jeremiah: Docs disagree with hildon app manager | 16:09 |
| jeremiah | Which docs? | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I really have to see how it looks in action, will postpone feedback until this evening =) | 16:12 |
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| jeremiah | dneary: Well, we really need to make sure whatever we say in the docs is consistent with whatever automated test X-Fade is using | 16:13 |
| dneary | Yes :) | 16:13 |
| jeremiah | So that the package builds and is uploaded. :) | 16:13 |
| dneary | jeremiah: The question is which one should change | 16:14 |
| dneary | And to what | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | dneary: To put it short and blunt: all occurances of user/other in the docs have to be replaced with correct section names | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | (and no, attempts to prove that user/other is still legal will not succeed) | 16:15 |
| jeremiah | I like user/Accessories | 16:15 |
| RST38h | In the case of that bug the right place is user/multimedia | 16:15 |
| RST38h | But other occurances may require other sections | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: That is even worse | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: All lowercase please. | 16:16 |
| LoCusF | E: CPU transparency method 'qemu-arm-sb' not found. <- got this error while installing | 16:16 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, typo | 16:17 |
| dneary | RST38h: I'm only referring to the latest docs - the "Package categories" page | 16:17 |
| RST38h | If "other" is there, it is wrong | 16:17 |
| dneary | RST38h: So that needs to be changed to remove any suggestion that user/anything is OK | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Or, alternatively, the promotion scripts are wrong | 16:18 |
| RST38h | dneary: More or less, yes, although check with X-Fade | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | These categories have been decided on for Fremantle. | 16:18 |
| * RST38h did not try arbitrary names | 16:18 | |
| X-Fade | Next change opportunity -> Harmattan | 16:18 |
| dneary | RST38h: "If the package's section starts "user/", but is not any of the above, the Application Manager forces them into an "Other" section. " | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Would try user/dies just for the heck of it though | 16:18 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Is what Dave says still correct? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Sorry, can we discuss this at another time? There are more important issues I need to look at now. | 16:19 |
| LoCusF | I do have DIABLO_ARMEL and all that stuff, but still getting the previous error and : Scratchbox CPU transparency method for ARMEL is present... no | 16:19 |
| dneary | It looks like we have to reproduce the list of valid categories in the packaging guide, and I'll change the example plug-in to use "utilities" | 16:20 |
| jeremiah | Sounds good | 16:20 |
| RST38h | dneary: The example plugin should go to user/multimedia where other media sharing plugins are right now | 16:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, the valid sections are on the wiki. | 16:24 |
| dneary | RST38h: Fixed | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, the packaging guide is outdated | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, and Nokia is wrong. | 16:24 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: There are different pages in the wiki with different information :) | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, when I tried to get the guide updated to match the valid sections, the response was "docs follow tools" | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, as the tools have only recently been updated, we're waiting on a doc update to match. | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, Package_Categories has been the authoritative source for a very long time now. | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I assume you were there for that discussion at the beginning of the year? | 16:25 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I followed it, yes | 16:26 |
| dneary | But we're now talking not about what the tool does, but whether there's confusion in the docs | 16:26 |
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| dneary | anyway, official guide changed. | 16:26 |
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| waz1 | Ooops | 16:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's always confusion in the docs. ;) | 16:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles grumbles at more CamelCase on the wiki. | 16:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting theming http://maemo.gitorious.org/ | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | Don't look at me ;) | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | "http://Maemo.org" | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the footer. | 16:32 |
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| dneary | bbias - toilet | 16:43 |
| javispedro | what's that smell? is that a new sdk?? =) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it may be dave on the toilet. | 16:45 |
| vesa | that's the smell of the missing vmware image! | 16:45 |
| dneary | Back | 16:45 |
| dneary | Do you guys have nothing better to talk about? | 16:45 |
| dneary | Can we start with an agenda for the summit meeting? Things that the council wants to bring up with us, with Nokia, that we want to bring up with ye, etc? | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: got a icon template too? | 16:49 |
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| ccooke | hmm. How good is Maemo 5 at running arbitrary X apps? | 16:51 |
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| ccooke | will they appear in the task switcher? | 16:51 |
| ccooke | (since they don't in Maemo 4 - and that's the main downside of using them) | 16:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: not yet | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: k | 16:52 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke: StartupWMClass in its desktop file is your friend (for Maemo 4) | 16:52 |
| qwerty12 | +field | 16:52 |
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| javispedro | the sdk looks frking awesome | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | any screenshots out yet? | 16:53 |
| javispedro | anything I need to know before I delete my current FREMANTLE_* targets? :) | 16:53 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: oho. And after that, they'll work as well as native? | 16:53 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK/Discover_Maemo_5 | 16:53 |
| LoCusF | are there Ubuntu packages for the fixed Xephyr (click on entry, crashes with segfault)? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: ah yes | 16:53 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke: Well, they'll show up in the task switcher at least :p | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: not all of it OSS obviously but :) | 16:54 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: even then quite a bit an improvement. If there are x86 versions of "nokia-binaries" I wonder if "installing Maemo on x86" now makes sense. | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: license pretty much prohibits the fun things sadly :P | 16:54 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: heh. that's good. As long as you can get from the app to the task switcher, then... | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | but you can do it of your own experiments | 16:54 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, didn't look at it yet :P | 16:54 |
| ccooke | (is there a keyboard shortcut to bring up the task switcher?) | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: but yes, it's awesome | 16:55 |
| * javispedro deletes beta2 | 16:55 | |
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| vesa | ccooke: sym-backspace | 16:55 |
| ccooke | lovely | 16:56 |
| ccooke | that's good enough, then | 16:56 |
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| ccooke | hmm. And there's java. I wonder if the KGS client will run :-) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and of course my theme maker bombs too | 16:56 |
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| javispedro | aw, certman gone. | 16:57 |
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| javispedro | oh, qt on the sdk now. but it won't be on device I guess? | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Nokia Applications repository. | 17:00 |
| javispedro | X-Fade, ah, ta. | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Which is enabled by default on the device. | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | A lot of shared applictions (sdk/device) have been moved to Applications. | 17:01 |
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| fiferboy | ctrl-backspace works in the SDK | 17:03 |
| * javispedro gets lost in nokia forum :S | 17:03 | |
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| * javispedro notes release notes still have the vdso support warning. | 17:06 | |
| javispedro | sigh. | 17:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 17:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nnot working?? | 17:08 |
| MaceN8x0 | the only interesting thing in andromeda is the purple one | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: now it does | 17:08 |
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| wazd | I'm cursed to type double letters( | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | at least you don't have to prepare two presentations | 17:09 |
| qwerty12 | Don't you mean "leters" | 17:09 |
| wazd | qwerty12: fuck!1 | 17:10 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm drawwing some icons noww | 17:12 |
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| * GAN800 wishes somebody would fix up FBReader. | 17:20 | |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 17:20 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Can you create a gitorious product under website? | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, one sec. | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And assign to Tero by default? | 17:22 |
| fatal^ | Jaffa: hello, I'm completely new to maemo. I'm building rygel which needs a couple of updated dependencies, among others vala which you seem to maintain.... I'm looking into this "mud-building" thing... could you possibly give me some hints on how you'd like me to handle an update of vala? I need 0.7.7 to be able to build libgee (which I've based off the debian package). | 17:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, done. | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I got your bug and I can honestly say that I have nothing to do with that service ;) | 17:29 |
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| Jaffa | fatal^: Vala 0.7.7 will go to extras-devel this evening | 17:31 |
| fatal^ | Jaffa: awesome! | 17:31 |
| carloscesa | Hi folks.. | 17:32 |
| fatal^ | Jaffa: I also need to update packages which are part of the SDK, libsoup and gupnp ... do you have any hints for me on how I should handle that properly? | 17:32 |
| javispedro | in between all those "maemo fansites", there's one that's trying hard to attract users by offering "Introduction to maemo development tutorials"... in Java ME. | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Exactly the same version as in SDK? | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | fatal^: Hmm. Tricky. Possibly ask on maemo-developers and/or ask Jeremiah | 17:32 |
| carloscesa | I have a doubt: I compiled a new kernel version to my N810 and reflash it. but for some reason, the entry /sys/kernel/debug is not there :( | 17:33 |
| fatal^ | X-Fade: I need gupnp 0.13 (rather then 0.12.8 as in the SDK) and libsoup 2.26 (rather then 2.24 as in the sdk). | 17:33 |
| zeenix | fatal^: remember that you don't want to update the existing gupnp packages | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Ok, let me check what versions are on device. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: You can't upgrade system libs. | 17:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: so, what did they teach? | 17:34 |
| javispedro | on final SDK, 0.12.8-0maemo1+0m5 | 17:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: of course, how to code a midlet. | 17:35 |
| javispedro | they are too busy making the site and putting all the adsense banners they don't even have time to read about the platform. | 17:35 |
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| javispedro | and just assume it's going to be like symbian. | 17:35 |
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| zeenix | fatal^: about libsoup, i guess it should be ok to provide a separate (new) package | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: good to see the interest in the platform though, even by clueless idiots =) | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Are you sure it isn't used on device? | 17:40 |
| * RST38h ==> home | 17:40 | |
| fatal^ | zeenix: you mean a package that is co-installable with the existing libsoup? | 17:40 |
| zeenix | fatal^: we can fix the conflict/dep when new libsoup is provided as part of SDK/fremantle upgrade | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | Otherwise you should rename the lib. | 17:41 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: it *is* used | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Then upgrading is a no. | 17:41 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: don't remember if the so name is bumped or not | 17:41 |
| fatal^ | libsoup hasn't bumped soname | 17:41 |
| fatal^ | gupnp has... so maybe I'll get away with just disabling the -dev package there... | 17:42 |
| zeenix | damn! | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | Well, you can upgrade but that breaks SSU. | 17:42 |
| fatal^ | is there no way to get updates into the platform? Since the ABI is the same it should be smooth sailing just updating it... no need for changing any other packages. | 17:43 |
| javispedro | up so far, getting updates for libs hasn't been easy at all.... i don't if that's going to change with fremantle. | 17:43 |
| javispedro | fatal^: in fact, i'll try first if you can code around the dependency on the new version. | 17:44 |
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| zeenix | X-Fade: we have upgraded libsoup in here already. the problem is that it'll only be available to outside people in an SSU upgrade | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Yeah, isn't life great ;) | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: Sometimes repository management is a pain. | 17:48 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: so could there be a workaround for this issue | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: And the larger we get... | 17:48 |
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| zeenix | i can tell you the exact release and package names of the libsoup that will be coming in the SSU upgrade | 17:48 |
| zeenix | and you allow fatal^ to provide packages of the same name and version | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | zeenix: Problem is that if you upload it to extras-devel now, it will trigger an upgrade. | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: And break SSU, so the device will never get any updates anymore. | 17:49 |
| javispedro | uh? | 17:50 |
| javispedro | weren't safeguards implemented in h-a-m? | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, it won't show the update. | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: But if you force install it, the device broken. | 17:51 |
| javispedro | heh. | 17:51 |
| fatal^ | X-Fade: my libsoup package has lower version number then the nokia packages, so it should work... unless you also replaced dpkg --compare-versions with some home-brew... ? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | osso-software-version meta package will be removed. | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: osso-software-version has a strict dependency on a version | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | (=1231abc) | 17:52 |
| fatal^ | seems someone came up with a "brilliant" idea to avoid breakage which is creating an impossible situation. :/ | 17:54 |
| javispedro | ah, the "chicken-like" algorithms ;) | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Yes, glad it wasn't me. | 17:55 |
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| X-Fade | Not all applications have to deal with it luckily. But anything that is in the system by default does. | 17:57 |
| zeenix | X-Fade: so can't we keep this in testing repo until there is an SSU upgrade with new libsoup package? | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: It won't even get in there ;) | 17:58 |
| zeenix | errr.. | 17:58 |
| zeenix | bah | 17:58 |
| fatal^ | how about I rename gupnp and libsoup packages, install in /opt/ (or something) and link my dependencies to that rather then the system provided libs? | 17:58 |
| zeenix | fatal^: so i guess we are only left with the option of setting up a private repo for rygel? | 17:58 |
| LoCusF | is there any knowledge on where the swap file is located on the N900? | 17:58 |
| zeenix | fatal^: ah | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: renaming libs works. | 17:59 |
| zeenix | fatal^: that sounds good enough | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Ugly, but perhaps the most sane. | 17:59 |
| aol_ | just made my first app with Qt Creator for N900 :) \o/ | 17:59 |
| zeenix | if it works :) | 17:59 |
| fatal^ | I guess the devices has enough storage to not have a problem with the unneccesary overhead... | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | aol_: woo :) | 18:00 |
| fatal^ | is /opt a suitable place or how is the storage partitioned? | 18:00 |
| javispedro | fatal^: that puts quite a new light on the /opt issue I did not imagine. | 18:00 |
| javispedro | fatal^: btw, considered static linking? | 18:01 |
| aol_ | i wonder when they will have Maemo debugging in Qt Creator | 18:01 |
| aol_ | I really like the IDE they have | 18:01 |
| aol_ | but seems a bit disconnected from mobile world right now | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Yes, /opt is storage space. | 18:02 |
| fatal^ | javispedro: that would be another option..... although I think I'll try to avoid that. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | can anybody share a pointer to docs about GSM/phone API on meamo5 please | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: go check nokia-binaries? | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | fatal^: nearly the same as putting the DSOs in /opt, but then may be easier depending on if you want to make multiple packages. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: first I like to know which binaries to check ;-) | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: cellmo* is probably a good choice | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: is there any kind of API to e.g. send a SMS from my own app? | 18:04 |
| Pau_Gasol | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 18:04 |
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| fatal^ | javispedro: I don't think I need it multiple time, but I'm a community kind of guy... maybe someone else needs it and we don't need a *third* version of it .. ;P | 18:04 |
| javispedro | fatal^: touché :) | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: or find out about the signal strength etc | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ isn't very well documented - I even have to guess what the subsystems are supposed to be for | 18:06 |
| fatal^ | X-Fade: thanks for the guidance.. I'll see if I can put something together that I can make available via the garage... | 18:06 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: if you find anything in there about how to take control over a received sms, give me a yell please ;) | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: heh, sure ;-D | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | fatal^: Sorry not to have a better solution. | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | fatal^: It is a battle I'm still fighting :) | 18:08 |
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| frals | Not optimal to read documentation on :( | 18:11 |
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| javispedro | ouch | 18:14 |
| javispedro | there's quite a typo in the maemo 5 sdk installation instructions | 18:15 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 18:15 |
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| javispedro | grep for "XARMEL" [sic] | 18:15 |
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| rikshot-_ | does anyone know whats going on with the x server crashing when i click a text input field for example | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | rikshot-_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Known_Issues_in_the_SDK | 18:19 |
| rikshot-_ | ah | 18:20 |
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| rikshot-_ | so i should upgrade ubuntu | 18:20 |
| javispedro | or xephyr, they say. | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: testing theme | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: did away from the mer logo in the top? | 18:24 |
| rikshot-_ | hmm, im developing this on mac with the esbox virtual image ubuntu, and im using the latest xquartz x11... | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i like though | 18:25 |
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| javispedro | rikshot-_, you mean Apple's X11 crashes? O.o | 18:25 |
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| rikshot-_ | lost its connection to the display 10.0.1.188:2.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. <- that ip is my computers ip... so it seems so | 18:26 |
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| javispedro | you have to run the SDK UI under Xephyr (which you may then run in the Ubuntu vm or Apple X11 (afaik)). | 18:27 |
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| javispedro | ok, the sdk is definitely slick | 18:38 |
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| javispedro | ++ to whoever decided to include the device nokia font. | 18:38 |
| javispedro | some layouts used to break here due to that... | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | It's been installable for a while in Beta 2 ;) | 18:38 |
| javispedro | :P :) | 18:39 |
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| rikshot-_ | ah, i didn't have the latest x11 for mac, updating it solved the issue | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | rikshot-_, ah, interesting think to know. | 18:39 |
| rikshot-_ | yeah, 2.4.0 works fine | 18:40 |
| * javispedro arghs to the palette swap bug. | 18:40 | |
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| javispedro | fscinkg damn sleak phone. I want it already. :D | 18:46 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I've made even cooler looped background :) | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: messaging looks odd but yeah.. white background | 18:59 |
| wazd | Hmmm? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | an IM is white | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'll show you tomorrow | 19:00 |
| mavhc | how come everyone's over the screen size now? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | mavhc: shiny device effect | 19:01 |
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| jaska | im not really over it, reading books being the main use of my n810 :| | 19:02 |
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| jaska | guess i'll lug both around | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps probably would keep his n810 around | 19:03 | |
| Stskeeps | you can never have enough tablets | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | ...until you OD :) | 19:03 |
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| jaska | om nom nom :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/polished2.png | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | (563 kb, my apologies) | 19:05 |
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| wazd | .jpg maybe?) | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | maybe :P anyway, it works under mer | 19:08 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: so hows it for you? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's decent so far | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i like the theming | 19:12 |
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| BluesLee | hi, how do i install the new sdk on a non debian linux box, for instance opensuse | 19:24 |
| javispedro | palm creates an official way to bypass the app store: http://investor.palm.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=413826 | 19:25 |
| javispedro | (the pre app catalog, or whatever its called) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: they did get a lot of bad press on the OSS stuff | 19:26 |
| javispedro | yeah, I remember that "tip calculator" app :) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | they're unleashed a web full of .install-like files now. | 19:27 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: anything not skinned? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: I prefer Quim's blog post with the Terminal screenshot :) | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i think everything is skinned but it looks awkward in places | 19:28 |
| wazd | :( | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12: I prefer that video with qgil using your Transmission port ;) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | 'Twas Jussi, and alas all it got was the display of its icon on the desktop :p | 19:29 |
| javispedro | no ikea catalogs? :( | 19:30 |
| * qwerty12 is fixing the UI lockup bug, introduced with 1.75 :\ | 19:30 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I'm surprised people actually share them :/ | 19:30 |
| wjt | maeeemo, just some oak and some pine and a handful of .. finns? | 19:31 |
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| qwerty12 | + vodka | 19:31 |
| * javispedro glazes at new version of osso-games-startup | 19:32 | |
| javispedro | not using a GtkFixed anymore. :) | 19:32 |
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| GAN800 | Shit. My passport shipped. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | ick, will you get it in time? | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm gonna call the post office and see if I can get them to hold it there. | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | wait | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | GAN800 == GeneralAntilles? | 19:55 |
| Jaffa | Yeah | 19:55 |
| * luke-jr fails | 19:55 | |
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| hrw | hi guys | 19:57 |
| hrw | as usual I have a stupid question | 19:57 |
| luke-jr | indeed | 19:57 |
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| luke-jr | but if you ask it, it might cease to be stupid | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fucking stupid pieces of shit. | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | it's no easier to telepathically read stupid questions than smart questions | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not overnight mail. | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I pay for overnight mail and they ship it priority. | 20:00 |
| hrw | ;) | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, have fun in Amsterdam guys. | 20:00 |
| hrw | maemo5 is still not Debian based but just similar to? | 20:00 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fucking US government | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Quim can get some money out of my tickets | 20:01 |
| javispedro | :( | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 20:03 |
| * luke-jr votes Quim ship GeneralAntilles a N900 | 20:03 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you're travelling tommorow? | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Piece of shit | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, was. | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Passport will be here sometime next week, so it doesn't matter. | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: really sorry to hear that | 20:03 |
| hrw | so? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: it doesn't track debian that much | 20:03 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, havent you known about the summit for most of the year? what happened with passport? | 20:05 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: welcome to the government haters club) | 20:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it took 7 weeks to process it "expedited" which was quoted to me as 1-3 weeks. | 20:05 |
| coldboot | Interesting, the implementation of sprintf on the Nokia tablet doesn't space-pad numbers... | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might've had a chance if they decided to overnight it like I paid for. | 20:05 |
| javispedro | coldboot: "the implementation" is glibc's usual one. | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, nope, they had to screw that up and ruin my week. | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | don't forget locale effects | 20:07 |
| lcuk | :( | 20:07 |
| javispedro | ah, government employees... | 20:07 |
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| coldboot | People need to get fired more often. | 20:07 |
| coldboot | For being stupid. | 20:07 |
| coldboot | Especially in government. | 20:07 |
| lcuk | everybody is stupid from time to time | 20:08 |
| javispedro | everyone is always stupid, in certain topics. | 20:08 |
| coldboot | Consistently stupid, then. | 20:08 |
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| coldboot | If that topic lines up with their job, they need another job. | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Government is stupid in doing their job. | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | coldboot, you are right, people find their level in jobs and for some people the level is court jester | 20:11 |
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| * javispedro notices his passport has expired too. | 20:13 | |
| coldboot | One thing I've learned in working for companies is that you need to fire the bad seeds early, before they do any damage and make your good people leave. | 20:13 |
| coldboot | Good people won't put up working alongside idiots. | 20:13 |
| aSIMULAter | amen, halleluja | 20:14 |
| * VDVsx checks his passport | 20:15 | |
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| * wazd checks his passport. No passport was found :( | 20:16 | |
| javispedro | fortunately, I look like a criminal on my current passport. Hope next photo is better. | 20:16 |
| VDVsx | wazd, lol, I don't need my to travel, but still | 20:16 |
| VDVsx | S/my/mine/ | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I guess we can both watch from IRC. | 20:17 |
| RST38h | The Truth is Out: Most Mac Owners Also Own a Windows PC, But Not Vice Versa | 20:18 |
| * RST38h back | 20:18 | |
| * lcuk is nervous | 20:18 | |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yeah, beer, snacks :) | 20:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h: come back when you find "Most iPhone Owners Also Own A Dumbphone" :) | 20:18 |
| javispedro | irc party. | 20:19 |
| javispedro | ah well. | 20:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Will "also own a dildo" version do? | 20:19 |
| * VDVsx hits lcuk with a morphine injection :) | 20:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, at the very least I wont die of jetlag. | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, ping? | 20:19 |
| javispedro | hope the recorded casts are of good quality. | 20:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: there's an app for that :D | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Oh shit... | 20:20 |
| * RST38h facepalms | 20:20 | |
| lcuk | VDVsx, its not morphene | 20:20 |
| lcuk | its nerves | 20:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 20:20 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did the IRC party last year, it's jealousy inducing. | 20:20 |
| javispedro | .... | 20:20 |
| javispedro | :( | 20:20 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you could try leaving the country using a hand drawn passport | 20:20 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wont have any residual council status to bank on next year, either. :( | 20:21 | |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: did you call the post office? | 20:21 |
| lcuk | you are always known as general antilles of the grey council. | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes, the lady was very sarcastic about how I should have paid for expedited services if I needed it in time. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just thanked her and hung up. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | So not worth arguing with government employees. | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | specially be phone | 20:22 |
| javispedro | they'll piss you off easily. | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | not so easily in person (but still) | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | s/be/by | 20:23 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Point freejazz to that employee | 20:24 |
| coldboot | GeneralAntilles: You might be able to get someone who's not useless on the phone. | 20:24 |
| coldboot | What country is it? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | hi lbt \o | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, it's already being processed by USPS. There's nothing to do about it now. | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | chase the postman along the country? :P | 20:25 |
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| lbt | hi lcuk | 20:26 |
| javispedro | stupid gui question: which one drnoksnes gui would you prefer, the current one ( http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/if1.png ) or one not doing any dirty hacks with osso-games-startup ( http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/if2.png ) ? | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | Current one | 20:29 |
| RST38h | javis: Look the same to me, I have no preference | 20:29 |
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| wazd | Unable to view it :( | 20:29 |
| RST38h | javis: If the second one is more kosher, go with the second one | 20:29 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: Not that it helps, but you can probably claim the cost of expedited shipping plus your air fares and any non-refundable hotel charges. | 20:29 |
| javispedro | wazd: sorry, they're big sized pngs. | 20:29 |
| javispedro | should've warned you before? :S | 20:29 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: but yeah, that's not useful :-/ | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll get me shipped off to Cuba here. | 20:29 |
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| wazd | javispedro: tomorrow that nightmare would be over :) | 20:30 |
| RST38h | General: There is an expedited passport service in DC, one day, $90 (several years ago at least) | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | General: But be prepared for equal opportunity employees asking you invasive questions on what you need the passport for | 20:31 |
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| ccooke | RST38h: Sounds like he has a good reason, though... | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | ccooke: I had to show them a paper from my academic advisor last time | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ccooke, probably, not sure I have the energy to do it. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ccooke, at least Nokia paid the air fares. | 20:33 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I can see that. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, my passport has already been processed. I can't apply for a second one. | 20:34 |
| frals | javispedro: id say if1.png | 20:36 |
| RST38h | oh, yesss | 20:36 |
| frals | (yes, scrolling backlog is awesome) | 20:36 |
| RST38h | "you cant get passport because you already have one just not where you can reach it" | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sad part is that my mother and sister's passports showed up last week. They sent theirs in the same time I did, selected standard service, listed a later trip date and received theirs in plenty of time to go nowhere. | 20:37 |
| javispedro | murphy's law at work. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | "dear Mr Antilles, your passport has been delivered to our european office, please call by to collect" | 20:37 |
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| javispedro | (btw, thanks for feedback, if1 wins :P) | 20:40 |
| coldboot | GeneralAntilles: You might be able to get someone at USPS to heighten the priority. | 20:41 |
| coldboot | GeneralAntilles: Or have someone at the passport office with power do that. | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, I need it by about 10 AM tomorrow morning. | 20:42 |
| rmt | I took a train 3 hours to Vienna once, to get my passport in person.. flight was 2 days off.. couldn't risk it. But I did discover that they (Australia) has emergency passports which last for 2 months, and you can get them same-day or overnight. :-P | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even if I managed to get it overnighted now (which I don't believe is possible) it wouldn't get to me until the afternoon. | 20:43 |
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| AndrewFBlack | how dare someone put files in the builder queue before me now i have to wait | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are described as "life or death" here. | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | claim nokia will send a hitman after you | 20:48 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Say that I'm coming to Florida and I'm gonna force you to listen to Rap and Grime | 20:50 |
| lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=41640 | 20:51 |
| ccooke | (Things I'm hopeful that the n900 won't do: Randomly decide it wants to be on *some other provider's network* like my android phone) | 20:51 |
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| frals | ccooke: doesnt android have an option to specify which operator to use? :P | 20:52 |
| lcuk | ccooke, get an n810 then - its 100% guaranteed to not connect to the wrong network. | 20:52 |
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| frals | lol lcuk | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | 99.998% | 20:52 |
| ccooke | frals: Technically, yes. And every time it puts me on someone elses network, I use that feature to select Vodafone UK, the correct one. | 20:53 |
| javispedro | yes, there's always the chance some of the builtin software will gain consciousness, self-adapt the hw to form a gsm radio and connect to damn vodafone. | 20:53 |
| ccooke | lcuk: Incorrect :-) | 20:53 |
| frals | ccooke: nice, solid feature then.. :D | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, as long as I'm spending time with you. :) | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Some providers do support cell-over-wifi protocol. But that would usually mean porting your own reverse engineered client | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: Vodafone? The phone's trying to give you a hint... | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: lol | 20:53 |
| * javispedro will be here during the summit too :P | 20:54 | |
| javispedro | save for .. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | well. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | maybe be here. :P | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | for ... velociraptors? | 20:54 |
| ccooke | (at my local pub, there's a paid-for wifi network which has slightly stronger signal than the pub's (free) wifi signal. Whenever I'm in one part of the pub, my n810 tends to connect to the wrong one :-) | 20:54 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: they present quite a bit of danger this part of the season. | 20:55 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: I'd generally agree... but none of the other providers are any better | 20:55 |
| frals | ill be here trying to do MMS stuff, no worries! | 20:55 |
| frals | unless i end up in an asylum, that is | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: True :/ | 20:55 |
| javispedro | MMS, MMS, MMS, MMS, MMS | 20:55 |
| ccooke | frals: you'll be implementing WAP for that. I think I'd take the asylum :-/ | 20:55 |
| RST38h | screw MMS | 20:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Here? =) | 20:55 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep | 20:56 |
| * SpeedEvil tries again to find the funky paper and fails. | 20:56 | |
| frals | ccooke: i'll try to get a proof of concept over HTTP working first... just got ten million things to find info on before that ;) | 20:56 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: on the other hand, the last two times I've contacted Vodafone's customer service I've received *above average* support. | 20:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Should we finish that ati85 package? | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It reported 1300 bits/second over GSM voice. | 20:56 |
| ccooke | frals: good luck, either way. Getting support for MMS will be a bit of a win. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (data -> human-voicebox model -> GSM -> voice recognition ->data) | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: Ah, can't comment on that: I've never once rang customer service... | 20:57 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: How's about this: First call, they gave me what sounded like a ossible fix for my issue. Second call (when it didn't work), they noted that I'd already been asked to try the first thing and put me through to second line. Second line said they'd call back within 24 hours. | 20:58 |
| timeless | wait, maemo summit starts thursday-night/friday? | 20:58 |
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| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: they called back within four, asked sensible technical questions and the issue was resolved about an hour later. | 20:58 |
| EspadaV8 | do people really use MMS? | 20:58 |
| * timeless wasn't planning to arrive that early | 20:59 | |
| ccooke | EspadaV8: it seems that it's essential to a hell of a lot of people. | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Espada: some apparently do | 20:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok | 20:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Most of us will arrive on Thursday. | 20:59 |
| ccooke | Which I find strange, but hey. | 20:59 |
| EspadaV8 | hmm | 20:59 |
| ccooke | Heh. We should find somewhere to go to on Thursday night | 20:59 |
| EspadaV8 | not sure i've ever used it | 20:59 |
| timeless | i'm still in prague | 20:59 |
| ccooke | I've used it when a phone I had was unable to send SMS | 21:00 |
| timeless | and was thinking of arriving midday friday | 21:00 |
| EspadaV8 | each to their own i guess | 21:00 |
| frals | i just got an mms from my mom with the new kitchen table she got ^^ | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Well, you probably know all Nokia announcements already ;) | 21:00 |
| ccooke | (but that was around two or three times) | 21:00 |
| timeless | espadav: it's very regional | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Friday is Nokia day. | 21:00 |
| timeless | x-fade: doubtful | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://ondemand.msmedia.zdf.newmedia.nacamar.net/zdf/data/msmedia/3sat/09/10/091002_klavier_kuz_vh.wmv | 21:01 |
| timeless | well, nokia isn't paying me to be there | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Todays randomness. (piano voice synth) | 21:01 |
| timeless | should i ignore it? | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | frals: Wow! | 21:01 |
| frals | truly amazing, is it not? ;) | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: do you have the required replicator on your phone? | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I could imagine it'd be damn awkward if you're on the bus, and out pops a table. | 21:02 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: hey, we could do that. | 21:02 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: nope, but it has color fax! ;) | 21:02 |
| timeless | are people doing spmething thursday night? | 21:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: can you tell me buttons order (rows) | 21:02 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: 3d printers aren't all that espensive these days... and the control software for them can run on linux. | 21:02 |
| ccooke | timeless: haven't heard of anything yet. | 21:03 |
| * SpeedEvil prefers shadow fax. | 21:03 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: exactly the same order as before (73 after 83+), but both 73 and 83+SE are enabled | 21:05 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how do you play that? | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: just played for me | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ff/gxine | 21:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | It originally came to me as mms:// - I just replaced with http:// and it worked | 21:10 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm compiling Qt :) | 21:12 |
| lcuk | good | 21:12 |
| lcuk | i keep thinking about how good qt would be without all the weight | 21:13 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: If the libraries were always loaded it would feel a lot lighter on the device | 21:14 |
| fiferboy | I guess we will see with Harmattan | 21:14 |
| javispedro | try to expand on the "maemo launcher" idea :P | 21:15 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, not the kind of thing im thinking lol | 21:16 |
| lcuk | RISC vs CISC | 21:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: done | 21:17 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Ah. I like all the functionality it give me, but to each his own | 21:17 |
| fiferboy | Some like pushing pixels around directly on the screen :) | 21:18 |
| * lcuk nods muchly | 21:18 | |
| lcuk | i like sending and collating data to new and interesting places as well :P | 21:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: gone | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | True | 21:19 |
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| * lopz u' | 21:22 | |
| RST38h | wazd: got it ! | 21:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: the only remaining thing is the ti73 skin | 21:26 |
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| waz1 | RST38h: well, i'll make it asap | 21:32 |
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| * RST38h will reboot to linux and repackage | 21:37 | |
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| crashanddie__ | what's the "Token based access restrictions"? | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie__: no idea how it ended on that agenda | 21:43 |
| jukuli_ | Hello, could someone help a bit? I'm getting the same error that this guy is getting. http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2007-September/000335.html | 21:43 |
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| jukuli_ | when i try to install maemo to a different location than the basic /scratchbox | 21:43 |
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| jukuli_ | is there a workaround for this? | 21:44 |
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| VDVsx | Friday Summit party theme: "Slower is sexier" -> http://www.flexbar.nl/ ;) | 21:44 |
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| crashanddie__ | jukuli_, how about fixing your environment before trying to install anything? | 21:45 |
| crashanddie__ | jukuli_, the /etc/hostname issue is pretty bad to start with, and I wonder why you get the modprobe error | 21:45 |
| jukuli_ | crashanddie__: ah sorry... forget everything else from that paste :) the error is that Error: Operation not permitted chroot(plpaplpla) | 21:46 |
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| gcobb | jukuli_: Did you log out and log in again so you have the sbox group? | 21:47 |
| crashanddie__ | jukuli_, can you check who owns /scratchbox and /scratchbox/users/user ? | 21:47 |
| jukuli_ | gcobb: no but I used the newgrp sbox | 21:47 |
| crashanddie__ | gcobb, can you update me on the "Token-based access restriction" you sent in the email? | 21:47 |
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| rmt | For all you non-dutchies - just make sure you have shitloads of 50cent pieces in your pocket if you go out drinking .. at most places, it'll cost you one every time you want to take a piss. | 21:47 |
| jukuli_ | hmm let me start from the beginning so this doesn't get out of hands :) I'm using this guide http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#32bitinstall | 21:47 |
| gcobb | jukuli_: I vaguely remember having a problem using newgrp -- but I might be confused | 21:48 |
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| crashanddie__ | rmt, jesus, dutchies really are a moneymongering people | 21:48 |
| jukuli_ | and whats different is that "sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh -u USER -s ANOTHER_PATH | 21:48 |
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| jukuli_ | and because of that when I run "sh maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta2.sh -s ANOTHER_PATH" i get that chroot error | 21:49 |
| jukuli_ | the ANOTHER_PATH is another harddrive and different mount | 21:49 |
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| gcobb | crashanddie__: I don't really know -- it was mentioned in the sprint meeting as a task that needs some discussion at the summit so I added it to the list | 21:49 |
| rmt | crashanddie - and don't expect to be able to order a glass of tap-water anywhere, either. :-P | 21:49 |
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| gcobb | crashanddie__: you might want to check the sprint meeting log -- it might mean more to you than to me | 21:50 |
| Mek | jukuli: is that other harddrive mounted nosuid? | 21:50 |
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| crashanddie__ | rmt, kanker-obers | 21:50 |
| jukuli_ | Mek: don't know..how can I check this? | 21:50 |
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| rmt | obers? kanker-lijers is the one I know. :-P | 21:50 |
| Mek | jukuli_: run mount to see the options | 21:50 |
| Mek | jukuli_: I think nosuid or at least nodev will cause problems | 21:50 |
| GAN8001 | crashanddie__, for Mer. | 21:50 |
| jukuli_ | Mek: just a sec | 21:51 |
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| crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, ah, that kind of tokens | 21:51 |
| * crashanddie__ was hoping to make a quick buck :P | 21:51 | |
| jukuli_ | Mek: "/dev/sdb1 on /media/HOME type ext3 (rw,nosid,nodev,uhelper=hal) | 21:51 |
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| jukuli_ | Mek: sorry misstyped.. nosid -> nosuid | 21:52 |
| crashanddie__ | nosid? | 21:52 |
| crashanddie__ | ah | 21:52 |
| rmt | "Jij moeter was duits!" should be a reasonable insult to most dutch (but I'd take it as a compliment, were I dutch) | 21:52 |
| Mek | jukuli_: yeah, you'll at least have to remount it without the nodev to be able to have a scratchbox install on there, I don't remember if the nosuid was also a problem | 21:52 |
| X-Fade | rmt: Almost ok. | 21:52 |
| crashanddie__ | nosuid should be acceptable -- at least there's no reason for scratchbox to require it | 21:53 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, did you see my request last night | 21:53 |
| crashanddie__ | rmt, "je" ou "jouw", and "moeder" :) | 21:53 |
| crashanddie__ | s/ou/or/ | 21:53 |
| infobot | crashanddie__ meant: rmt, "je" or "jouw", and "moeder" :) | 21:53 |
| rmt | :-) | 21:53 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: no? | 21:53 |
| crashanddie__ | X-Fade, how far is your commute from the summit? | 21:54 |
| rmt | Only Italian and German for the last 11 months. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | is there a URL on maemo.org to access a users avatar image by name | 21:54 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie__: about 2 hours | 21:54 |
| lcuk | maemo.org/avatars/lcuk | 21:54 |
| lcuk | or something | 21:54 |
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| crashanddie__ | lcuk, you going to come in day-in day-out? | 21:54 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: no, don't think so. | 21:54 |
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| crashanddie__ | err, that last one was for X-Fade | 21:54 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie__: No, I'll stay in a hotel in AMS> | 21:55 |
| crashanddie__ | k | 21:55 |
| jukuli_ | Mek: ok thanks for this tip..I think I will do the whole install again and try mounting the drive differently | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, would it be difficult to add? | 21:56 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, why would you want to do it? | 21:56 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, but not this year for me unfortunately. | 21:56 |
| jukuli_ | Mek: ah didn't even need to do that :) now at least the install started :) | 21:56 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, I can write you a parser that will get you the URL | 21:56 |
| X-Fade | I've just written to -developers that I'm not opening the autobuilder for fremantle today. | 21:57 |
| crashanddie__ | X-Fade, you must be getting love-mail right about now? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | ok X-Fade understood | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | Got more than enough on my plate with that ;) | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie__: Read the mail for explanation. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | crashanddie__, if this parser sat on liqbase.net and i added a single php file to "get_maemo_org_avatar.php?user=lcuk" | 21:58 |
| crashanddie__ | X-Fade, not blaming anyone | 21:58 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, that was the whole idea | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021239.html | 21:58 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, or it could return a jpg/png directly, so you don't need to do two calls | 21:58 |
| lcuk | yes i want the image dat | 21:59 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, ok, let me get cracking, you'll have the script tonight | 21:59 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, which version of PHP are you running on .net? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i havent the foggiest | 22:00 |
| lcuk | just ass baseline php | 22:00 |
| lcuk | assume even | 22:00 |
| lcuk | thanks crashanddie__ | 22:00 |
| lcuk | ill get on with the rest | 22:00 |
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| mfinkle | lcuk: did you mention something about hardware acceleration for YUV stuff on the N810? | 22:06 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: I'm trying to see if we could use it in mozilla | 22:06 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Can we have multiple maintainers / authors in a deb package? | 22:07 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Person A, Person B, Person C | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Got it | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | mfinkle :) | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | Ok, wazd is now officially included into maintainers / copyright holder of ati85 | 22:12 |
| RST38h | =) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | more targets for legisation? ;) | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | Sts: you wanted to use the word "litigation"=) | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Speaking of which, I probably should not include 83+se and 73 roms into the package | 22:15 |
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| Honeyman | Hi all. I am trying to install Maemo 5 SDK, and cannot understand how does it resolve the domain names. I started to install it on my laptop in a first network, with DNS .132.15, then moved the laptop to other network, with DNS .1.100 (just before the phase of installing the proprietary packages); but now it seems that it still sends the domain requests to the old DNS server, even though it is not anywhere nearby visible. | 22:33 |
| Honeyman | I doublechecked /etc/resolv.conf on both the Debian host and the scratchbox directory, but they both point to the new DNS servers. Why does it send the AAAA requests to the wrong DNS then? | 22:34 |
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| Mozillion | Honeyman: which file in scratchbox did you check (I have (had) similar issues) | 22:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Honeyman: check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 22:38 |
| Honeyman | Mozillion: being logged into scratchbox, I checked /etc/resolv.conf | 22:38 |
| Mozillion | ah yes.. that also didn't work for me | 22:38 |
| Honeyman | It contains "nameserver 192.168.1.100" now | 22:38 |
| Mozillion | yes, the file Stskeeps mentions | 22:38 |
| Mozillion | other issue.. the m5 SDK wiki mentions the tablet-browser-interface package | 22:38 |
| Honeyman | Oooh. | 22:38 |
| Mozillion | I have it installed but dpkg -L lists only ./ | 22:38 |
| Honeyman | Stskeeps: you are right | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | Mozillion: isn't it just a transitional package or something? dunno | 22:39 |
| Mozillion | Stskeeps: it seems so.. but how do I get into the browser | 22:39 |
| Honeyman | I need to get better understanding of mapping between host and scratchbox directories... | 22:39 |
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| johns | Hi | 22:40 |
| Mozillion | for example since I upgraded my beta2 SDK to the current one.. I have these Facebook/Twitter bookmarks on the desktops, but if I click them, nothing happens | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | Mozillion: install nokiap-apps | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | nokia-apps | 22:40 |
| Mozillion | Stskeeps: oh, I assumed it would be part of nokia-binaries.. ok | 22:40 |
| Mozillion | oops, errors | 22:41 |
| Honeyman | Stskeeps: any idea how does the /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf gets updated? Strange if it doesn't follow resolv.conf of the host system. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | Honeyman: don't get me started on scratchbox.. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| Mozillion | Honeyman: for me it just doesn't get updated | 22:42 |
| Mozillion | maybe I should hardlink it to /etc/resolv.conf | 22:42 |
| kynky | symlink, mount bind ro? | 22:43 |
| Honeyman | I'm thinking of the same too... | 22:43 |
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| Honeyman | kynky: I bet symlink won't work | 22:43 |
| kynky | well mount bind ro will | 22:43 |
| Honeyman | Btw, can someone give me a hint why should you use "fakeroot apt-get" instead of "apt-get" inside scratchbox? | 22:44 |
| kynky | that even works across a chroot | 22:44 |
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| Honeyman | kynky: you mean, apt-get does work across a chroot, do you? | 22:45 |
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| Honeyman | Funny, but symlinking resolv.conf DID work. | 22:45 |
| kynky | mount bind ro works across a chroo | 22:45 |
| kynky | t | 22:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes h-a-m would show changelogs. | 22:46 | |
| kynky | ro = read only, so it can be updated, by even root | 22:46 |
| kynky | cant* | 22:46 |
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| kynky | damn this keyboard, lol | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Google Finds DRAM Errors More Common Than Believed | 22:47 |
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| Honeyman | I am pretty new to Maemo development (as one might see); can one hint me, what is the normal procedure to keep the SDK always up-to-date - just apt-get update/apt-get upgrade often? Is it enough, does Nokia keep their repos fresh? | 22:50 |
| slonopotamus | johns, are you johnsq? | 22:50 |
| RST38h | sb2 gets updated with the rest of ubuntu | 22:50 |
| RST38h | as long as the correct repo has been added | 22:51 |
| johns | slonopotamus: why? | 22:51 |
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| johns | slonopotamus: oops yes. nick was free | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | johns, your 'why' is ambigious. | 22:51 |
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| Honeyman | RST38h: err? I thought that sources.list of scratchbox and host system are separate, and you write the new repo only to the scratchbox' one | 22:53 |
| RST38h | I mean the scratchbox itself | 22:53 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, xorg 1.7: Support for 32 bit keycodes. Many multimedia keys cannot be processed in current X servers as the core protocol limits keycodes to a maximum of 255. Applications built against XI2 may receive keycodes up to 32 bit. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, ping? | 22:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: pong | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, what do you think about setting up some sort of script or web service that accepts 4 images and spits out a package for the autobuilder? | 22:55 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: that will help X11 handling FN on n810. | 22:55 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, exactly | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Sounds beyond my limited knowledge :) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | gah internet time sucking whore! | 22:56 |
| lcuk | gnite folks | 22:56 |
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| Honeyman | RST38h: "deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo5-sdk main" ? | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, OK, how about a .deb framework that we can slap some magic on top of? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sounds a bit like py2deb | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | In the style of the startup screen packages | 22:57 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: i tried to build nokia kernel under gentoo, gentoo works find, but maemo reboots random. | 22:57 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: linux-omap2.6 is currently total broken. | 22:58 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, you mean, diablo-sources? | 22:58 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: yes. | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Honeyman: deb http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ubuntu-intrepid free | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, my idea is that somebody could go to a form on http://n900backgrounds.com, submit 4 images and the relevant copyright information and it'd spit out a source package that could be sent to the autobuilder | 22:58 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, you also probably want to put rebuilt modules in initfs? | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody on that site can then review each package before submitting it to the autobuilder by hand. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then they link to the .install from the site as well as the images. | 22:59 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, saw http://www.elinux.org/N800 ? | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No diddling around with .desktop files, easy installation and removal, etc. | 22:59 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: shouldn't be a problem, if the same version and same API. | 23:00 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, totally different compiler | 23:00 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: yes, but should have the same API (calling convention...) | 23:01 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, you wanted to say ABI? | 23:01 |
| * waz1 has made nice n900 wallpaper :) | 23:01 | |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, dunno... that's exactly the source that stock diablo kernel is built from. | 23:02 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: right ABI. | 23:02 |
| frals | anyone got any hints whereabouts i should look for APIs for incoming SMS handling? >_< | 23:02 |
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| johnsq | any idea how to start slim login manger together with virtual keyboard? | 23:03 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: click on a install file launches h-a-m in fremantle? | 23:04 |
| crashanddie__ | why is it everytime I develop something for lcuk, and I need some specifics regarding the requirements of the tool, he fucks off | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, why wouldn't it? | 23:05 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, :/ no. i thought you don't want vkb on n810 | 23:05 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, dunno, the "only from repos" rule. | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie__: He's a northerner, expect some quirks... | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, .install files just point to a specific package in a repo | 23:05 |
| javispedro | talking my ass, I could boot up the sdk and test. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and make it easy to install things from the browser | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and add the repo if need be. | 23:05 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: later yes, but currently I playing with other things. | 23:06 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ah, confirmed, it works and adds needed repos. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there any way to organize the applications menu? | 23:07 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, turn into a more generic question: how to run smth when login manager is displayed | 23:07 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: with pure xdm, I know it, but slim is nicer. | 23:08 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I can't even see a way to move icons into the first level apps menu. | 23:08 |
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| Mozillion | is the media player supposed to work? :) | 23:09 |
| javispedro | in SDK? you must first get pulse working I guess. | 23:09 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/0910/f9/90b2d80c98c0.jpg <- test :) | 23:10 |
| javispedro | the transitions are a bit better on the final SDK. thank god, since I could easily hang it. | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Move a desktop file out of /usr/share/applications/hildon/ and move it back in to make the corresponding application appear on the bottom of the list... | 23:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am trying to create a deb with the theme | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | waz1: hehe cool | 23:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: I cannot :( | 23:10 |
| jrocha | hi guys | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: I wish I could say I was joking... | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, they didn't provide any real organization controls, did they? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: ThemeMaker 1.2.3 appears to be totally broken now | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a good opportunity for a community patch, however. | 23:11 |
| jrocha | have anyone tested a GtkTreeView using PyMaemo with the new SDK release? | 23:11 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: so there's an order at least. an order that must be stored somewhere... than a hackish "community" app could modify! >:) | 23:12 |
| javispedro | s/than/that | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: select the proper background template | 23:12 |
| lizardo | jrocha: i don't, but are you having any problems with it? | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Hehe, at least HD is open-source so I can't imagine it'd take long to find the path of said file :) | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: I did | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 23:13 |
| jrocha | lizardo, hey! | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Sts:This version does not create proper DEBIAN dir | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ah - i just dpkg-deb manually | 23:13 |
| RST38h | I tried | 23:13 |
| RST38h | it really wants DEBIAN/control etc | 23:13 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I had a working gtktreeview with NORMAL UI mode and default selection mode (single) | 23:13 |
| jrocha | lizardo, today I updated SB and now the tree rows only emit row-activated when I press on them twice | 23:14 |
| jrocha | lizardo, if I press on them only once, they'll appear selected | 23:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, hopefully we can get proper directory organization. | 23:14 |
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| jrocha | I wonder if this is GTK+'s problem or pymaemo's | 23:14 |
| javispedro | my guess is that may require changing HD. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | A good patch should be fairly easy to get accepted. | 23:15 |
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| lizardo | jrocha: hmm, I wonder that too... I suggest asking on maemo-developers (with a general , no pymaemo specific topic) to see if some Hildon developer identifies it as a intended change in behavior | 23:16 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I've already talked with Claudio (on the hildon team) | 23:16 |
| jrocha | lizardo, he says he haven't seen such problem | 23:16 |
| lizardo | jrocha: in the meantime, you can file a bug report on the PyMaemo bugzilla with a simple test case, the will help us tracking the bug if it is indeed Python specific (it doesn't look like , I think)( | 23:16 |
| jrocha | lizardo, I'm gonna try a C example now | 23:16 |
| lizardo | jrocha: good, let us know of the results :) | 23:17 |
| lizardo | jrocha: I also usually try a simple C example to make sure it is not a issue with the underlying API | 23:17 |
| jrocha | lizardo, ok | 23:19 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 23:20 |
| wazd | Heya | 23:20 |
| Khertan | I'm looking at the CalDav Protocol ... amazing ... never see a so strange protocol | 23:21 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: latest slim / xorg-server / mozilla all works | 23:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's looped, you can crop any part you want for Mer :) | 23:23 |
| jrocha | lizardo, well, the C gtktreeview works as expected | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe neat | 23:24 |
| jrocha | lizardo, also note this might be my fault, it is just weird that it was working before and now it isn't | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | can someone tell me what accessibility is for in hildon-desktop? | 23:27 |
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| Khertan | Try 49 to download Benelux Map on Nokia Maps | 23:32 |
| crashanddie__ | Stskeeps, yes for no | 23:32 |
| Khertan | grrrr | 23:32 |
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| Khertan | hum ... | 23:33 |
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| jeremiah | VDVsx: Good job today running the meeting. :) | 23:35 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, thanks ;) | 23:35 |
| Mozillion | I'm I correct in assuming that sound does not work even in the x86 env on amd64? | 23:38 |
| Mozillion | am I correct* | 23:38 |
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| rdorsch | Hi, my N810 crashes, when I write significant amount data on the external sd card either from the N810 (web download) or the PC when the N810 is connected via USB | 23:47 |
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| rdorsch | I do not see an issue when accessing the SD card directly via a cardreader | 23:48 |
| rdorsch | Is my N810 hardware broken? | 23:48 |
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| rdorsch | In syslog I see entries like | 23:50 |
| rdorsch | Oct 6 22:48:25 blackbox kernel: [27541.379962] usb 8-1: USB disconnect, address 9 | 23:50 |
| rdorsch | Oct 6 22:48:25 blackbox kernel: [27541.397011] FAT: Directory bread(block 30664) failed | 23:50 |
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| johnsq | rdorsch: you can check the file system | 23:51 |
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| lbt | where's the party on thursday night then? | 23:55 |
| Khertan | none idea | 23:56 |
| Khertan | thursday ? | 23:56 |
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| Khertan | hum ... we didn't talk of the summit | 23:57 |
| Khertan | ? | 23:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 23:57 |
| lbt | Khertan: you coming? | 23:57 |
| Khertan | at the maemo summit ? | 23:58 |
| Khertan | yep | 23:58 |
| lbt | yes | 23:58 |
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| Khertan | i m sponsored ... so i come :) | 23:58 |
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| studen2 | can anyone help me find driver for "Nokia Connectivity Adapter Cable CA-50"? | 23:58 |
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| lbt | Khertan: so.... | 23:59 |
| lbt | where's the party on thursday night :D | 23:59 |
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