| zerojay | EspadaV8_L: Yes. | 00:00 |
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| frals | guess ill go to bed and sober up instead of reading more about mms right now... nite all o/ | 00:01 |
| EspadaV8_L | Jaffa and zerojay: thanks | 00:01 |
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| woglinde | oh rio made it not madrid | 00:12 |
| woglinde | great | 00:12 |
| RST38h | http://74.125.93.132/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsmax.com%2Fjohn_perry%2Fobama_military_coup%2F2009%2F09%2F29%2F266012.html&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 00:13 |
| lbt | Jaffa: zerojay: GeneralAntilles: http://imagebin.ca/view/kyHT98.html | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: lol. | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | lbt: ta | 00:15 |
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| lbt | I thought the colours were different... | 00:16 |
| zerojay | lbt: I was looking at it and thinking "why does he have a fuzzy picture of a shopping list in the background", lol. | 00:18 |
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| lbt | heh | 00:20 |
| lardman | re | 00:21 |
| lardman | RST38h: did it work? | 00:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: I do not know yet | 00:21 |
| lardman | ah ok, no worries | 00:22 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And just in case the guy deletes all references to his post, here it is, at the bottom: http://exiledonline.com/rightwing-pussies-run-screaming-from-liberal-bloggers/ | 00:22 |
| lbt | Jaffa: hold on - *much* better ones coming | 00:26 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: zerojay: GeneralAntilles: There are 4 piccies in this set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3978332558/in/set-72157622384581209/ | 00:36 |
| lbt | The text is a tad moody... | 00:36 |
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| cvandonderen | hi | 00:36 |
| cvandonderen | I get a segfault when trying to use CMake on the Fremantle_Armel target... | 00:37 |
| cvandonderen | check for working C compiler: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc qemu: uncaught target signal 11 | 00:38 |
| cvandonderen | is this a known problem? | 00:38 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Error: | 00:40 |
| RST38h | Opening database... /root/.mbarcode/mbarcode.db | 00:40 |
| RST38h | Error opening database: unable to open database file | 00:40 |
| lbt | Jaffa: zerojay: GeneralAntilles: There are 4 piccies in this set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3978332558/in/set-72157622384581209/ (resend - lost connection) | 00:41 |
| lardman | oh balls, thought I'd sorted that out | 00:41 |
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| lardman | hmm, just got an interesting thing on my N800, plugged the charger in and it made a funny sound effect noise and said "Not charging" | 00:41 |
| lardman | RST38h: I'll look at that tomorrow and post some updated binaries | 00:42 |
| lardman | thanks | 00:42 |
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| lbt | ah, the N900 has launched and planned obsolesence happens.. | 00:42 |
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| hunter007 | Hi, somebody know if exists troubles installing maemo-dev toolkit, with nvidia drivers? | 00:43 |
| lardman | shouldn't think so | 00:44 |
| woglinde | gl stuff maybee? | 00:44 |
| lardman | hmm, well it installed fine, I've not tried running the x86 stuff though | 00:45 |
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| hunter007 | ok, thanks | 00:45 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=338943#post338943 | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man these guys can work themselves up over nothing. | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you seen this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=338965 | 01:00 |
| woglinde | he lcuk | 01:01 |
| lcuk | hi woglinde \o | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, you too - that looks COOL | 01:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | cinema4d? | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, what about it? | 01:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles has been using C4D since version 4. | 01:10 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, a rich mans bender | 01:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | l | 01:10 |
| lbt | mmm ... will it blender | 01:11 |
| * lbt blendered a garage!!! | 01:12 | |
| lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2243018820/ | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Focus bugs. :( | 01:13 |
| till- | nice :) | 01:14 |
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| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 01:30 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-98-113-71-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 22h 50m 38s ago, saying: '~seen b-man16'. | 01:30 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:30 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: Missing icon image issue fixed in 0.0.4 :) | 02:09 |
| lbt | night all | 02:09 |
| lbt | Jaffa: did you see the 2nd batch ... much nicer | 02:09 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: I did. | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | Bah. Extras won't let me upload | 02:11 |
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| EspadaV8_L | 0.0.4? | 02:14 |
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| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: ...of my new app, Hermes. | 02:17 |
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| Jaffa | rcadden wrote some stuff about it: http://www.maemo-guru.com/2009/09/hermes-syncs-your-n900-contacts-with-twitter-and-facebook/ - it's not end-user ready yet, but it's getting there quite quickly | 02:18 |
| EspadaV8_L | ah, what's it do? | 02:18 |
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| EspadaV8_L | ah, cool | 02:19 |
| EspadaV8_L | shall have to look at adding that :) | 02:20 |
| `0660__ | Hermes is really cool | 02:20 |
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| EspadaV8_L | :( unable to load for me | 02:24 |
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| t_s_o | what rss reader is people using these days? | 02:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, what, you _aren't_ selling contact information to DoubleClick? | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody wouldn't happen to have the Summit schedule in a calendar I could import somewhere, would they? | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | how would you split up the days | 03:39 |
| lcuk | errr tracks | 03:39 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ^ | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just overlapping events. | 03:39 |
| lcuk | does it look right? | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most calendars should be able to handle it just fine. | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 03:39 |
| lcuk | but could we filter to the track | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://nonsmokingarea.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gcalical_450b.png | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, you could have each track as a separate calendar. | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | looks like something i once wrote long ago in visual basic :) | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | why not just take the page printed | 03:41 |
| lcuk | or saved | 03:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, dunno, I feel like having a real calendar. | 03:49 |
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| * lcuk nods | 03:50 | |
| BBNS | hi lcuk, nice to meet you. may i ask how you do the beat detection on "N900 liqflow music" video? | 03:50 |
| BBNS | i am so used to FMOD doing DSP for me and eager to find a replacement on Maemo. | 03:51 |
| lcuk | BBNS, accelerometer - it detects the actual drumming on the tables | 03:51 |
| BBNS | lcuk: oh ok. o_o i though it's doing some FFT sampling in the backend. | 03:51 |
| lcuk | no, much more natural and fluid | 03:51 |
| lcuk | if you dont jam along, it just flows gently | 03:52 |
| BBNS | ahh ... thanks for answering! it's really sick. | 03:52 |
| BBNS | i am trying to port some of my iPhone code (which does the similar thing in your video). but they relies on DSP. if there is any FMOD replacement on N900, i could share the beat detection code. | 03:54 |
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| kynky | thinking of getting a n900, what are any negatives? lack of mms, 3 row kb, youtube a bit skippy inside browser? cant really find any | 03:57 |
| Proteous | for US cust only Tmobile 3g freqa | 04:03 |
| kynky | uk here, tmobile and vodafone selling it | 04:03 |
| felipec | kynky: you get used to the 3 row keyboard, really | 04:04 |
| kynky | felipec, yeah not too bothered about that really, just wanting to know the bad stuff , so no nasty surprises, seems best phone to get, although it not a phone :) | 04:05 |
| kynky | got a touch pro at mo, 5months lft on cobtract, thinking of sticking on ebay, wiv money , paying of remainder of contract, and getting a free n900 on contract for 18month with unlimited web and texts +700mins/month | 04:06 |
| kynky | android not doing movies was a shock to me (xvid) , only thing lacking i found is support for turn by turn sat nav | 04:08 |
| felipec | kynky: and actually youtube looks fine on mine... from my point of view the only bad stuff is some stupidities (IMO) in the UIs, but nothing a replacement from the community can't handle :) | 04:11 |
| aSIMULAter | examples of stupidities in the UI? | 04:11 |
| ShadowJK | atleast on N8x0, the flash player is constantly increasing memory pressure, which seems to cause a swapin and swapout activity with very random I/O, which is extremely slow... Probably the memory it eats for precaching a movie.. If you pause and wait 'til it's done, and then unpause, it only jitters for a few moments at the start (and again if you touch any browser components). | 04:12 |
| kynky | having to manually full screen browser all time ? | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anywhere Nokia's overzealous UI department got overzealous. :P | 04:12 |
| ShadowJK | Hopefully the 256M ram in N900 will help a bit, but flash has probably grown more adept at hogging system resources since N8x0 too. :P | 04:13 |
| kynky | if winmo6.5 can use 256mb ram, im sure maemo5 can :) | 04:13 |
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| * ShadowJK hopes the browser still has fast access to disabling flash :) | 04:17 | |
| ShadowJK | My wish would be for equally fast access to disable jabascript :( | 04:17 |
| microlith | ShadowJK: which is why we need noscript! | 04:17 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly javascript setting is pretty quick to access on S60 browser :) | 04:18 |
| kynky | flashblock | 04:18 |
| ShadowJK | I'd rather have things that don't require javascript in order to work | 04:20 |
| lcuk | +10000 | 04:21 |
| kynky | web applications are hot at mo | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | even on my desktop q9550 I encounter sites that make firefox hang for several seconds until it asks if I want to stop a script | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | it gets annoying trying to actively browse :/ | 04:22 |
| ShadowJK | maybe I need core i7 :( | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you need at i9 at least. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and then you'll maybe reduce those hangs by 50%. :P | 04:23 |
| ShadowJK | naah | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's amazing how the shittiest technologies seem to drive hardware advances. | 04:23 |
| ShadowJK | infinite loops are still infinite | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:23 |
| felipec | aSIMULAter: the media player switches off the shuffle mode each time you select a song from the main view | 04:23 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i solved my calendar problem, are you still looking | 04:23 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32412 | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, still pecking them out by hand. :P | 04:24 |
| lcuk | haha | 04:24 |
| lcuk | im just gonna have it using the liqbase map viewer | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good practice. ;) | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully the tracks aren't overlapping too much for me. | 04:24 |
| * ShadowJK wishes for a media player that didn't make garbage out of id tags, or atleast gave up and displayed the filename instead | 04:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | THough I'me going to have to bail on the UX panel early to get to Mer. | 04:25 |
| lcuk | yeah its just remembering which track you are meant to be following | 04:25 |
| lcuk | if its displayed as on the webpage, its easier in my mind :$ | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | heck I'd take a player capable of displaying filename, tags are extra bonus feature for the future when we have the technology of unicode :( | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, Jeremiah has a talk during the Extras roundtable. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how that works. | 04:26 |
| felipec | ShadowJK: the media player uses tracker, which defaults to the file name if it can't find any tags | 04:26 |
| felipec | and of course tracker is fully hackable :) | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | MAFW should make life better | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully people will get to hacking it soon. | 04:27 |
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| ShadowJK | diablo media player displays "$sJ|S{8gs" :) | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | id rather have the filename :) | 04:29 |
| lcuk | i'd rather have english | 04:30 |
| lcuk | how do you pronounce that | 04:30 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: "Inner Vision" | 04:33 |
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| ShadowJK | An unnamed other player gave me the text representation of a python tuple filled with single unicode codepoints | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | that was rather impressive really :) | 04:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, dunno what to go to in the 1800 to 1825 bracket on Saturday. | 04:46 |
| Firebird | sleep? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pushing your software through http://maemo.org, Maemo and oFono or The future of Hildon in Harmattan. | 04:48 |
| * johnx checks the schedule | 04:48 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I need a team of people I can send to other sessions to report back to me. :P | 04:49 |
| Firebird | first one | 04:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I wanna see ofono. I think that's the most uhm "relevant to my interests" | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I kind of do, too. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But then again, everybody's going to want to see oFono | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I can probably get a full report afterwards. | 04:50 |
| johnx | well, if you take good notes on it, then I'll go see h4h | 04:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I need an EU plug adaptor. | 04:52 |
| johnx | yup | 04:52 |
| johnx | bring that and a power strip | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I though I had one but I can't seem to find it. | 04:52 |
| johnx | also, might want to be careful you have a "dumb" power strip, not some kind of "too smart for its own good" surge protector | 04:53 |
| johnx | though admittedly, my surge protector didn't seem to care about being plugged into 220v/50Hz | 04:53 |
| johnx | kind of a crappy surge protector I guess :) | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm, this'll be fun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Lightning_talks#N900_HW_architecture_overview_.26_power_management | 04:54 |
| johnx | we left it out and plugged in at danish weekend. I thought it made a really great trap for anyone silly enough to not check the label on their US plug :) | 04:54 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yes | 04:55 |
| johnx | my inet access is screwy :/ | 04:55 |
| johnx | oh! from Igor. awesome! | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. Definitely. | 04:56 |
| pupnik | n810 has godly speakers | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That man knows what the fuck he's talking about. | 04:56 |
| pupnik | how do they do it | 04:56 |
| pupnik | should i click link? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, clearly. | 04:58 |
| johnx | pupnik, the n800 has even better speakers :) | 04:58 |
| johnx | though I think the secret is that Nokia has experience (and patents) making really small speakers | 04:58 |
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| pupnik | i want a n810 doorbell | 05:07 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, make one | 05:10 |
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| lcuk | grab a picture, grab a sample of a doorbell, make it ding dong | 05:10 |
| lcuk | 20 minutes? | 05:10 |
| pupnik | Push webcam to any phone otg also | 05:11 |
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| lcuk | feature creep! | 05:11 |
| pupnik | )'< | 05:11 |
| lcuk | :D | 05:11 |
| lcuk | keep it simple :) | 05:11 |
| pupnik | lol | 05:11 |
| lcuk | theres a thread on tmo at the mo for widgets | 05:11 |
| pupnik | coughing | 05:11 |
| lcuk | ask for a doorbell | 05:11 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, posted for you | 05:13 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 05:14 |
| pupnik | tz! | 05:14 |
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| Firebird | oh. The panoramic desktop isn't one giant image... | 05:17 |
| zerojay | No, it's not. | 05:18 |
| zerojay | And that's a good thing. | 05:18 |
| Firebird | well I assumed it was from the images people were distributing by was like "oh wait, wouldn't that be ultra CPU power usaging" | 05:19 |
| zerojay | Four separate images, 800x480. | 05:20 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Updated the widget list. | 05:26 |
| zerojay | :) | 05:27 |
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| Macer | wtf | 07:18 |
| Macer | damn n810 was charging | 07:18 |
| Macer | and told me to charge the battery | 07:19 |
| Macer | and turned off | 07:19 |
| Macer | wasi using power that much? | 07:19 |
| johnx | charger dead? unplugged? hi load? | 07:19 |
| johnx | yeah, that's the question | 07:19 |
| Macer | high load i'd guess | 07:20 |
| johnx | technically, I think the N8x0 can pull more power out of the battery than the charger can put in, under some circumstances | 07:20 |
| Macer | yeah | 07:20 |
| johnx | especially if you were really low on juice | 07:20 |
| Macer | tha's what i guess happened | 07:20 |
| Macer | it just died died | 07:20 |
| Macer | so i turned it on with the charger in it | 07:20 |
| Macer | what bullshit | 07:21 |
| Macer | why doesn't itjust pull power directly from the charger? | 07:21 |
| Macer | :) | 07:21 |
| johnx | most handheld things don't AFAIK | 07:21 |
| johnx | it's a question of complexity/cost/bulk | 07:21 |
| Macer | i'd say cost | 07:22 |
| Macer | that parallel power would cost $0.05 per unit | 07:22 |
| Macer | cheap bastards heh | 07:23 |
| johnx | to regulate it too? | 07:23 |
| Macer | which is odd because the n810 is extremely well built | 07:23 |
| Macer | well. they could have added the regulation in the charger :) | 07:24 |
| Macer | they charge too much for the $0.10 charger per unit anyways | 07:24 |
| Macer | why not make them WORTH the $10-$20 they are retail | 07:25 |
| Macer | heh | 07:25 |
| johnx | doesn't do anything to protect the device against 3rd party chargers | 07:25 |
| johnx | probably the best momentary buffer they have is feeding power into the battery | 07:25 |
| Macer | but yeah.. under a high load the charger only sometimes seems to break even | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | How are people getting from the airport to the hotel? | 07:26 |
| Macer | if i start with half a battery and have it charging while watching videos | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | This looks vaguely useful: http://www.schipholhotelshuttle.nl/site/toonhotel.asp?HotelID=298 | 07:26 |
| Macer | it remains at half | 07:26 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: get a cab cheapo | 07:27 |
| johnx | walk | 07:27 |
| Macer | or rent a car | 07:27 |
| johnx | is it really that far? | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, 16km | 07:27 |
| Macer | n810 has a gps :-P | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Transformatorweg+36,+1014+AK+Amsterdam,+Netherlands+(Hotel+ibis+Amsterdam+City+West)&geocode=Cfc3QewLQpM0FdpwHwMdoP1JACHun1ALFkY48g&dirflg=&saddr=schiphol+airport&f=d&hl=en&dq=hotel+ibis&sll=52.357922,4.822323&sspn=0.082157,0.064159&ie=UTF8&ll=52.348553,4.801025&spn=0.089341,0.144024&t=h&z=13 | 07:28 |
| Macer | goddamn | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, cab is like €2 a km. | 07:28 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's long enough that xchat doesn't even understand it as one URL :P | 07:29 |
| Macer | 32 euroes? :) | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus tip. | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and time | 07:29 |
| Macer | try not to go bankrupt | 07:29 |
| Macer | hahaha | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, http://tinyurl.com/yc56vvq | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, college student with a new computer here. | 07:30 |
| Macer | oh | 07:30 |
| Macer | ok makes sense :) | 07:30 |
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| johnx | we could always split a cab 4 ways | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, that's true. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Question is, when are you arriving? | 07:31 |
| johnx | ~8AM | 07:32 |
| johnx | which is to say 7:40AM+/-40min | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I see it on the wiki. | 07:32 |
| johnx | isn't there like a train from the airport? | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I think it's €4.00 to get downtown. | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you need to catch a couple of buses from there. | 07:33 |
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| Macer | i didnt get my touchbook today | 07:34 |
| Macer | damnit | 07:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, what are our plans for Thursday morning? ;) | 07:38 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you getting in early too? | 07:39 |
| johnx | I didn't see you on the travel page | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8:00AM | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just added | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You me and rm_you are one after another. | 07:39 |
| johnx | nice | 07:39 |
| rm_you | cool | 07:39 |
| johnx | I think Adam and I were gonna do the tourist thing | 07:39 |
| johnx | were we? | 07:39 |
| rm_you | we can all meet up and figure out wtf | 07:39 |
| rm_you | well | 07:39 |
| rm_you | if there's time | 07:39 |
| rm_you | theres kinda a schedule isn't there? :P | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Registration opens at 1700 and I've got a Nokia dinner at 1800, other than that the whole day is free. | 07:40 |
| johnx | rm_you, not thursday | 07:40 |
| johnx | we're 24hours early for summit | 07:40 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:41 |
| rm_you | i thought there was something for thursday | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just registration | 07:42 |
| johnx | mer drinking! | 07:42 |
| rm_you | lulz | 07:42 |
| rm_you | cool | 07:42 |
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| johnx | is there a collaborative maemo summit map on google maps yet? | 07:52 |
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| GAN800 | Don't think so. | 07:56 |
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| disco_stu | hey someone culd updaate canola? | 08:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | disco_stuN800, rephrase the question. :P | 08:50 |
| disco_stuN800 | i tried to ask if someone was capable of updating canola | 08:51 |
| disco_stuN800 | GeneralAntilles, did you? | 08:53 |
| johnxx | disco_stuN800, update to the one in extras-devel that isn't released yet? | 08:53 |
| disco_stuN800 | johnxx, yup | 08:54 |
| johnxx | don't do that | 08:54 |
| disco_stuN800 | johnxx, why not? i cant anyways.. been using the same release over a year is booring.. | 08:55 |
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| johnxx | disco_stu, because it's not finished yet. it's not installable | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, yeah, bad plan. ;) | 09:12 |
| johnxx | GeneralAntilles, ubuntu 9.10 beta is working disturbingly well ... on a powerbook g4 | 09:15 |
| johnxx | totally awesome out-of-box experience | 09:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnxx, whenever I've tried to install Linux on a Mac all it results in takeoff speed on the fans. | 09:23 |
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| johnxx | GeneralAntilles, it came up with the 3D enable, and the pad already set to do the "two finger tap for right click" | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:41 |
| keesj | hi | 09:42 |
| johnxx | hi Stskeeps | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | morn keesj, johnxx | 09:44 |
| johnxx | I think xserver-xfbdev will make me crazy | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | like you aren't already? ;) | 09:45 |
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| johnxx | maybe it'll just move me from neurotic to psychotic | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | scary, poland has a CDMA band | 09:47 |
| johnxx | ugh | 09:47 |
| johnxx | my condolences to them | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | i am still contemplating switching provider.. this one even spams me | 09:48 |
| johnxx | yeah. mine did in Japan | 09:49 |
| johnxx | and the worst part was it wasn't immediately obvious whether I was being spammed by a pachinko parlor or being told my bill was overdue | 09:49 |
| johnxx | I had to sit down and really try to parse the message only to find out that i could "meet hot girls online" or similar | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | i get my spam in polish too | 09:51 |
| johnxx | in terms of email spam, I get it in every language known to man | 09:52 |
| cvandonderen | does anybody else experience gcc crashing when using cmake on the fremantle armel target? | 09:52 |
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| Stecchino | It seems my name didn't end up on the participants list for the maemo summit next weekend. I remember putting my name in on a wiki page months ago. Could this be correct? | 11:14 |
| Stecchino | X-Fade: ^^ | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | Stecchino: you should have registered at the registration form? | 11:16 |
| * Stecchino doesn't remember a registration form | 11:16 | |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/ had a registration form in the bottom | 11:17 |
| Stecchino | didn't even realize there was one. When I registered there was just a couple of wiki pages | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | under "Registration" | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think registration was open quite early on | 11:17 |
| Stecchino | could it be that there was a wiki page before the registration form? | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | search the wiki for your details? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | and not as i remember it, i was always using the form | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | (fwiw, i have nothing to do with the summit except speaking there) | 11:18 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | Stecchino: I don't believe there was ever registration via a wiki page. The wiki page embedded the registration list; which was always done through a web-based form | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | Stecchino: I suggest you email council@maemo.org and ask for them to help you out if you still want to attend | 11:40 |
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| EspadaV8_L | Jaffa: how can i try to find out why hermes is 'unable to load'? | 11:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | Is there an SDK for maemo5, if yes, what does it include? Does it emulate an n900 including screen output etc? | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | including input on the screen? | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | and does it run on linux or do I need windows? | 12:40 |
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| EspadaV8_L | yes, there is an sdk | 12:41 |
| EspadaV8_L | yes it needs linux | 12:41 |
| EspadaV8_L | you can use the mouse and keyboard for the screen input | 12:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | great | 12:42 |
| EspadaV8_L | when i tried my app in the emulator, it worked, but didn't reproduce the output the same | 12:42 |
| EspadaV8_L | not sure if that was my fault or not though | 12:42 |
| Mek | there is a bug somewhere in xephyr/the sdk that sometimes swaps the green and blue channels (I think it were those) | 12:43 |
| EspadaV8_L | could also be because i'm writing a Qt4 app and not a GTK one | 12:43 |
| Mek | and you have to run stuff with run-standalone.sh to make it look correctly | 12:43 |
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| EspadaV8_L | when i try and start with the Composite extention then i get no output from af-sb-init.sg start | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: Open X Terminal and run /opt/hermes/bin/hermes | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: And then tell me what is says | 12:45 |
| EspadaV8_L | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite | 12:45 |
| EspadaV8_L | Jaffa: import error | 12:45 |
| EspadaV8_L | no module named gnome.gconf | 12:46 |
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| EspadaV8_L | Jaffa: apt-get install gnome-python-dev fixed the issue | 12:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | huh but this is really cool that there is no sdk for windows | 13:03 |
| Shapeshifter | linux development ftw, yay | 13:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | brilliant. | 13:03 |
| * Shapeshifter is still running the scratchbox installer script | 13:04 | |
| EspadaV8_L | lol | 13:04 |
| Shapeshifter | huge download | 13:04 |
| EspadaV8_L | i think you can install it in Cygwin for windows devs | 13:04 |
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| cvandonderen | Shapeshifter: I ran the linux VirtualBox image this morning, and that is slow..... | 13:06 |
| cvandonderen | EspadaV8_L: are there any instructions for the cygwin setup? | 13:06 |
| cvandonderen | I only need to compile something, no real development | 13:06 |
| Shapeshifter | well, of course you need a native linux installation. why wouldn't you have one... ;) | 13:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | lol, everyone shold have linux ;-) | 13:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | cvandonderen: no, i don't | 13:07 |
| EspadaV8_L | i just saw someone post it in the forums | 13:07 |
| cvandonderen | well, I do KDE-Windows development.... so I need Windows, I have a full OpenSuSE install on my external HDD though, are there any instruciotns for the scratchbox installation for SuSE, because everybody runs Ubuntu... | 13:08 |
| * EspadaV8_L runs Gentoo and Arch | 13:08 | |
| EspadaV8_L | but no, i just ran the scripts | 13:08 |
| cvandonderen | hmmm | 13:09 |
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| EspadaV8_L | wget 2 files, chmod +x them ./<script> | 13:09 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8_L: arch!! <3 | 13:09 |
| * Shapeshifter runs arch as well. | 13:09 | |
| EspadaV8_L | lol :-) | 13:09 |
| cvandonderen | which scripts, the ones from the table-dev.nokia thingy? | 13:09 |
| EspadaV8_L | got arch on my laptop, gentoo on my desktop | 13:09 |
| EspadaV8_L | thinking of switching to arch on the desktop too, it's getting too old now :( | 13:09 |
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| EspadaV8_L | one sec, i'll dig them up cvandonderen | 13:10 |
| EspadaV8_L | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/ | 13:10 |
| Shapeshifter | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#32bitinstall | 13:10 |
| EspadaV8_L | really simple step-by-step setup | 13:10 |
| EspadaV8_L | not installed it on arch, since i went the 64 bit route and scratchbox isn't supported :( | 13:11 |
| * EspadaV8_L needs a bigger desk too :( | 13:12 | |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8_L: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#64install doesn't work for you? | 13:12 |
| kynky | really easy to have a 32bit chroot in 64bit machine and have the 32bit croot x app be displayed on 64bit x server, as X just uses tcp protocol for displaying stuff | 13:12 |
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| EspadaV8_L | Shapeshifter: ah, never noticed that | 13:13 |
| EspadaV8_L | tbh, i'd rather work on the desktop for now, easier to work with | 13:15 |
| EspadaV8_L | only thing moving to the laptop would help is compile time | 13:15 |
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| cvandonderen | EspadaV8_L: but SuSE does not use deb, is that a problem? | 13:18 |
| Shapeshifter | cvandonderen: no, no problem. | 13:18 |
| EspadaV8_L | cvandonderen: neither does gentoo | 13:18 |
| EspadaV8_L | scratchbox has a debian 'system' in it that you use the apt-get commands in | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | cvandonderen: I'm on arch and there's no problem. there are no deb binaries involved. I don't even understand why it's called "debian installation". It should work on any linux really. | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8_L: ah... | 13:19 |
| EspadaV8_L | the scripts download .tar.gz files, iirc | 13:19 |
| cvandonderen | okay, in the script it says that it downloads the tar.gz files if deb is not supported | 13:19 |
| EspadaV8_L | and just extracts them | 13:20 |
| cvandonderen | EspadaV8_L: haha | 13:20 |
| cvandonderen | :P | 13:20 |
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| EspadaV8_L | of course, scratchbox won't be known by your package manager (yast?) so it won't auto-update | 13:20 |
| EspadaV8_L | which is probably a good thing in this case | 13:20 |
| cvandonderen | okay | 13:21 |
| cvandonderen | and then if a new SDK version comes I can just run the new installer script? | 13:21 |
| cvandonderen | or do I have to delete and reinstall? | 13:21 |
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| EspadaV8_L | errmm... | 13:22 |
| EspadaV8_L | not sure | 13:22 |
| EspadaV8_L | not had that happen yet | 13:22 |
| * EspadaV8_L only installed yesterday | 13:22 | |
| Shapeshifter | there are chapters on updating on that same page | 13:22 |
| cvandonderen | haha | 13:22 |
| cvandonderen | okay | 13:22 |
| cvandonderen | Shapeshifter: yeah, but there it says update the deb repo | 13:22 |
| cvandonderen | and that is not possible | 13:23 |
| EspadaV8_L | install didn't take long, so an rm -rf /scratchbox and a reinstall wouldn't be too bad | 13:23 |
| Shapeshifter | mh indeed.. | 13:23 |
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| cvandonderen | okay, well, I'm rebooting into my Linux then ;-0 | 13:24 |
| RST38h | Argh...Extras-Devel uploads broken again =( | 13:24 |
| Shapeshifter | Am I guessing right that this circular zoom thing in the browser is only part of the browser but not the input driver? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | gesture recognition | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | so that e.g. the same circular motion does not work in a pdf viewer or docs or image viewer etc | 13:25 |
| EspadaV8_L | yeah, i'm not sure i like it tbh | 13:25 |
| Shapeshifter | it's really daft imho. | 13:26 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't like recognition too deep down. for instance, tap-to-hold in xorg. | 13:26 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 has trouble with the double-tap to zoom | 13:26 | |
| Shapeshifter | any clues if the input driver is closed source? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: xorg? highly doubt it | 13:26 |
| Shapeshifter | Then I'll probably try to hack some really nice gestures in there that send additional events that work globally. | 13:27 |
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| Shapeshifter | similar to synaptics. I really like circular scrolling and zooming, but not in the way it's done in their browser, and not limited to one app. | 13:28 |
| Shapeshifter | it should be done in the driver, so that button4 and button5 are sent for scrolling. when one starts a circularmotion starting from a corner. | 13:29 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: What's broken? What specifically? | 13:29 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Not sure if I can help but, I'll try | 13:30 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Does not let me do dput into non-free. | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Uploading to fremantle-extras-devel (via scp to garage.maemo.org): | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). | 13:30 |
| RST38h | lost connection | 13:30 |
| jeremiah | Arg. That is annoying. | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Happened before, XFade says it is intermittent problem, but to me it looks like successfull upload is more intermittent nowadays | 13:30 |
| lbt | Shapeshifter: it's not that easy though | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: :-/ Sorry about that. | 13:31 |
| lbt | it needs to be done in the frameworks IMHO | 13:31 |
| lbt | Qt/Gtk | 13:31 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Just WHY? =) The key is apparently correct. It is Sunday. Why would it refuse connections? =) | 13:31 |
| lbt | so applications/widgets can register interest in gestures | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: telling people to go to church! | 13:31 |
| lbt | frankly I'd resent not being able to draw spirals in my sketch application ;) | 13:32 |
| frals | its a day of rest, no work allowed RST38h ;) | 13:32 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: it least it does not enforce sabbath...or does it? =) | 13:32 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Good question. I don't know. | 13:32 |
| jeremiah | I would have to do some diagnostics and dig a little | 13:33 |
| lbt | RST38h: it's not american... | 13:33 |
| jeremiah | But at the moment I don't want to step on anyone's toes | 13:33 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: no, if the driver simply sends button4 and button5, most applications should be able to recognize this as scrolling up and down. And the point is that it should only send these events if one starts the spiral motion from a specific corner, e.g. top left. Have you ever used circular scrolling on a synaptics touchpad? | 13:33 |
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| cvandonderen_ | so, well | 13:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: It wants you to upload to free instead, where the Extras Assistant is always available and working ;) | 13:33 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I can, but then it will not like binary packages | 13:34 |
| lbt | Shapeshifter: a touchpad is different | 13:34 |
| lbt | it's relative | 13:34 |
| lbt | point of contact on tpad + delta -> mouse movement | 13:34 |
| lbt | on a touch screen it's absolute | 13:34 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | qwerty12: 1. Fremantle's libnotify: 0. Now Daniel Wilms will be wanting to behead me... | 13:37 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: that doesn't really pose a problem. The driver would simply look for a sequence of events on pixels between x: 0-100 and y:0-20 with increasing x (a motion from the top left corner to the right), and then begin sending button5 instead of mouse move events continously while registering the circular motion. afaik, such a motion on the maemo5 ui has no real meaning in any of the apps, so it can be used for this. | 13:37 |
| Shapeshifter | well I'll see what I can do. It's worth a try ;) | 13:38 |
| lbt | that's a dreadful design :) I don't see a need for it now so we'll put the logic in the driver? | 13:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty talking to himself, awaiting beheading by Wilms.... | 13:39 |
| RST38h | What a sight! | 13:39 |
| lbt | it makes a lot more sense to have a more generic gesture recognition framework in the gui frameworks | 13:39 |
| lbt | that way you get things like signal/slot handling in Qt | 13:40 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: reasonable. | 13:40 |
| lbt | and you can define gestures on a per-widget basis | 13:40 |
| lbt | (My shopper app does this) | 13:40 |
| lbt | it allows a left-right gesture to mean select | 13:40 |
| lbt | actually simulates crossing an item off a list | 13:40 |
| lbt | the issues are to do with grabbing all the mouse events | 13:41 |
| lbt | and then replaying them | 13:41 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: but that would mean that every app needs to incorporate the scrolling gestures by itself. It's not global anymore | 13:41 |
| lbt | heh .. see The finger scroll I did in Qt | 13:41 |
| Shapeshifter | while I think that global circular scrolling should be possible to enable. | 13:41 |
| lbt | so the abstractscrollarea implements the gesture | 13:41 |
| lbt | and *every* scroll area has it | 13:42 |
| lbt | including popup menus etc | 13:42 |
| lbt | there are overrides to disable | 13:42 |
| RST38h | Portrait-mode PDF reader with circular scrolling? Please? | 13:42 |
| lbt | there are some gestures that make sense globally | 13:42 |
| lbt | and you may have hit upon one | 13:42 |
| lbt | but I think that is the exception really | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: indeed | 13:43 |
| lbt | and as such it shouldn't be the one used to design the solution :) | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | well, there's also zoominh | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | *zooming. | 13:43 |
| lbt | no | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | which I think should also be the same for all apps | 13:43 |
| lbt | I may want to zoom on an inner window | 13:43 |
| lbt | in my application | 13:44 |
| lbt | double-tap-hold-move zoom can be targeted | 13:44 |
| lbt | but you get into issues that some apps may want to register or not for that gesture | 13:45 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. | 13:46 |
| lbt | and some gestures appear through the X-driver, others throught the framework.... | 13:46 |
| lbt | hmmm | 13:46 |
| lbt | anyhow, I find the whole area really interesting :) | 13:46 |
| Shapeshifter | I have a problem, just installed the SDK without any problems, enabled the closed source nokia things, and ran a Xephyr server. Did all this http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#StartUI and now I'm stuck at '[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start', as I don't have any af-sb-init.sh... | 13:47 |
| lbt | did you install the binaries for both arches ? | 13:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hint: "Before starting the UI framework, ensure that you have installed the following..." | 13:48 |
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| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: Hmm, what version of Hermes have you got installed? That should've been fixed in 0.0.2 | 13:49 |
| Shapeshifter | lbt: mhh, I think not, only X86. my bad, thanks :) installing them for ARMEL as well now. | 13:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: FWIW, I had the same error with 0.0.2 | 13:49 |
| lbt | damn docs aren't a wiki.... | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Hmm. Odd. | 13:49 |
| EspadaV8_L | Jaffa: had 0.0.2 and updated to 0.0.4 | 13:50 |
| EspadaV8_L | that was run after the update | 13:50 |
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| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: qwerty12_N810: Thanks. I'll upload 0.0.5 which should help | 13:52 |
| EspadaV8_L | although both 0.0.2 and 0.0.4 wouldn't load from the launcher, both just saying 'Unable to load' | 13:52 |
| EspadaV8_L | np Jaffa | 13:53 |
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| Jaffa | Right, Hermes 0.0.5 on its way through the autobuilde.r | 13:56 |
| EspadaV8_L | yay :-) | 13:56 |
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| EspadaV8_L | although i couldn't get 0.0.4 to work when it loaded | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | You and qwerty12_N810 are credited in the changelog | 13:57 |
| EspadaV8_L | haven't played with it to see what it was doing | 13:57 |
| EspadaV8_L | oooh | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: Hmm. | 13:57 |
| * EspadaV8_L feels special | 13:57 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 13:57 |
| EspadaV8_L | i choose facebook, opened up the browser, signed in and then just got 'one unmatched contact' | 13:58 |
| EspadaV8_L | tapped that and it gave me a blank popup | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: How many contacts have you got in Contacts? | 13:59 |
| EspadaV8_L | none | 13:59 |
| EspadaV8_L | oh, tell a lie, one | 13:59 |
| EspadaV8_L | an address i sent an email too | 14:00 |
| EspadaV8_L | odd, i didn't add it | 14:00 |
| EspadaV8_L | i thought hermes downloaded the contact info from facebook and added them to the phone? | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: Ah, it doesn't add new contacts (yet, although it might. Maybe. One day); what it does is match your existing contacts against Facebook & Twitter to get photos for them (and, in future, birthdays, web sites, nicknames) | 14:01 |
| EspadaV8_L | ahhhh | 14:02 |
| EspadaV8_L | ok | 14:02 |
| EspadaV8_L | what does it try and match on? name? number? email? all of the above? | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: If it created new contacts from Facebook the only thing it could add would be website, name, photo, nickname and birthday | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Name | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Facebook won't let external applications see phone number or email address info. | 14:02 |
| EspadaV8_L | i thought facebook had phone numbers too? | 14:02 |
| EspadaV8_L | ahhhhh | 14:02 |
| EspadaV8_L | that kind sucks :( | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | Yup | 14:03 |
| EspadaV8_L | also, minor bug | 14:03 |
| EspadaV8_L | now i have no contacts at all | 14:03 |
| EspadaV8_L | when i click 'retrieve' i get the popup "fetching ..." | 14:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Thank you, 0.0.5 starts up fine :) | 14:04 |
| EspadaV8_L | that then hides, i get the summary ( 0, 0, 0 ) | 14:04 |
| EspadaV8_L | click 'Done' and the "fetching ..." popup is still open | 14:04 |
| lbt | jeremiah: you about | 14:05 |
| lbt | nm | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | EspadaV8_L: Ah, yes - hehe. Assumptions that 0 => fetching and n => close. | 14:05 |
| EspadaV8_L | ah | 14:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | :-) | 14:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | is it just me, or is the app manager 'Update' not that great | 14:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | or am i doing it wrong? | 14:06 |
| EspadaV8_L | because whenever i click it, i always get 'no updates available' | 14:07 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Yes. :) | 14:10 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: I was helping someon who's having a dh_gencontrol issue | 14:11 |
| lbt | looking for the log | 14:12 |
| jeremiah | ah, okay. | 14:12 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many () | 14:24 |
| lbt | control http://pastebin.com/d5506671b | 14:25 |
| lbt | build log http://pastebin.com/d44f60330 | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | okay, I'll take a look . . . . | 14:26 |
| lbt | v. quick... it's someone using OBS | 14:26 |
| jeremiah | Just to be explicit, in this case OBS == Open Build System? | 14:27 |
| lbt | yes | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | That is not the whole control file is it? | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | Just the Source package part. | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | If it is the whole control file, he needs to specify a binary package part to build the deb | 14:29 |
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| lbt | of course - I'm used to reading .dsc files | 14:33 |
| kynky | how do you select tab key on n900 ? (pipe key too) | 14:33 |
| kynky | use xmodmap ? | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | kynky: Official way: Fn (Blue arrow) + Ctrl | 14:34 |
| kynky | cheers | 14:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | From the window that comes up, pipe is in the top-right corner and tab is under '<' (which is in the top-left corner) | 14:35 |
| lbt | thanks jeremiah :) | 14:35 |
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| kynky | i guess tab completion a bit hard in a shell then ? | 14:40 |
| EspadaV8 | the terminal has a 'Tab' button on the screen | 14:41 |
| kynky | sweet | 14:42 |
| EspadaV8 | didn't notice it at first, took ages to type things in by hand | 14:42 |
| kynky | only negative fo me at mo i can find for me is lack of turn by turn sat nav software, but i guess that shouldnt be too far away | 14:43 |
| EspadaV8 | does the maps app do that? | 14:44 |
| kynky | ovi maps on n900 only does route planning | 14:45 |
| * qwerty12_N810 grins at HildonControlbar being marked as depreciated | 14:45 | |
| kynky | think it does turn by turn on symbian | 14:45 |
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| kynky | use tomtom on my htc touch pro, but would be selling that to get an n900 | 14:46 |
| jeremiah | lbt: My pleasure! | 14:47 |
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| EspadaV8 | oh yeah, so it doesn't | 14:47 |
| EspadaV8 | that kinda sucks | 14:47 |
| EspadaV8 | although it does track you | 14:47 |
| EspadaV8 | so i guess it's almost there, just needs voice over | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | wazd: | 15:19 |
| RST38h | moo! | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 15:19 |
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| waz1 | Heya world | 15:27 |
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| lardman | RST38h: have uploaded a fixed version, I hope | 15:45 |
| lardman | RST38h: in the ./other/ directory is a version with Amazon webscraping too, but it may well segfault | 15:45 |
| lardman | bbiab | 15:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow | 15:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | my 3 yr old son's understanding of inuyasha is amazing | 15:46 |
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| waz1 | RST38h: I've stolen my granddad's phone, menu is out) | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yea, I see it =) | 15:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: But the TI73 is at the wrong place =( Should be between 86 and 82 =( | 15:52 |
| RST38h | On the ther hand, let me see if this can be worked around in the code... | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | Yea, I guess it can be assumed to be TI83+ | 15:56 |
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| waz1 | I thought they can be anywhere I want :D | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | waz: not exactly, but thanks to this arrangement I have found a problem in the code =) | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Done. I think the new package should work properly now | 16:18 |
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| pupnik | nice | 16:23 |
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| * lcuk has sore fingers | 16:33 | |
| pupnik | tear browser needs paste-into-url fieüd | 16:34 |
| pupnik | field | 16:34 |
| lardman | lcuk: changing weather? | 16:35 |
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| VDVsx | anyone with a BT keyboard and a linux machine willing to do a small test for me ? :) | 16:35 |
| lcuk | something like that, its been cold last few days. | 16:36 |
| * lcuk is trying to make something work | 16:36 | |
| lcuk | hows barcode coming, i notice you patched it | 16:37 |
| lcuk | would it run on my 900 if i wanted to test it? | 16:37 |
| lardman | yeah, web scraping still broken, opening urls seems a bit broken too | 16:37 |
| lcuk | web stuff is always broken | 16:37 |
| lcuk | simplicity :) | 16:37 |
| lardman | but that's it, have a flight to catch in a couple of hours, so off to the airport soon | 16:37 |
| lcuk | have you dragged in the 40mb code database we found aw hile ago | 16:37 |
| lcuk | to at least identify products by name | 16:38 |
| lardman | no | 16:38 |
| lcuk | dang! | 16:38 |
| lardman | pretty big too, would be better as a web lookup | 16:38 |
| lardman | but I've run out of time debugging the scrapers | 16:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: broken as in they won't open, or the dialog thing? | 16:38 |
| lardman | they work for some things, but for others they run off and segfault, so not ideal | 16:38 |
| lcuk | would be better of course, but even 3g doesnt always get a signal | 16:38 |
| lcuk | especially near the freezer section of our asda | 16:39 |
| lardman | well the dialog is still broken, even after removing that flag, and now the browser will open, but just the start page | 16:39 |
| lardman | my tablet may need a reboot as it was working properly earlier | 16:39 |
| lcuk | hey simon, qwerty is getting extremely good at nice simple gtk ui | 16:39 |
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| lardman | where is my bloody bt gps | 16:40 |
| lardman | grr | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | lardman, there should be some way to connect to these kinds of devices and ask them their location | 16:44 |
| lcuk | developers should get cracking | 16:44 |
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| lopz | gm ;) | 16:48 |
| lardman | lcuk: battery will be flat by now anyway | 16:49 |
| lcuk | damn | 16:49 |
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| lardman | right, offski | 17:02 |
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| lardman | see you chaps on Thursday in the bar | 17:02 |
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| gnuton | Hi | 17:03 |
| derf | lcuk: I'm pretty sure there is a way to connect to a BT GPS and ask it its location. | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | derf, really! | 17:04 |
| lcuk | hi gnuton \o | 17:04 |
| derf | One would hope. | 17:04 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:04 |
| * lcuk has to move several tonnes of code from this side of the yard to the other | 17:05 | |
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| lcuk | gnuton, how is it going in the trenches | 17:07 |
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| gnuton | Hi lcuk! :D | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | i notice you were looking at qt widgets on the desktop | 17:12 |
| lcuk | did you get any further looking or just moved onto something else | 17:12 |
| EspadaV8 | mmm, qt | 17:13 |
| gnuton | I had look... and Kate wrote some proof-of-concept code | 17:13 |
| EspadaV8 | and my god i have some awful music in my collection | 17:13 |
| gnuton | esaym153: Qt | 17:13 |
| * lcuk hopes theres lots of qties at the summit | 17:13 | |
| VDVsx | QT, hihiihih :P | 17:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | qT | 17:14 |
| * lcuk slaps VDVsx | 17:14 | |
| lcuk | qT on mAEmo | 17:14 |
| EspadaV8 | are most people using Qt now? | 17:14 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, that's new ;) | 17:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Yes, yes, it is; and for the light sum of £10,000, it can be yours! | 17:15 |
| gnuton | EspadaV8: there are a lot of people interested in... | 17:15 |
| wazd | Cuetea :) | 17:15 |
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| cvandonderen | Qt is amazing :-) | 17:15 |
| gnuton | cvandonderen: I agree... | 17:15 |
| gnuton | :D | 17:15 |
| * EspadaV8 is glad he started learning Qt and not Gtk a year back now | 17:15 | |
| Shapeshifter | Queue tea? | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, I don't deal in £ | 17:15 |
| lcuk | speaking of which - coffee break time | 17:16 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: no need to queue, i have tea :-D | 17:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: GTFO, then | 17:16 |
| lcuk | kick his ass qwerty12_N810 | 17:16 |
| cvandonderen | haha, well, if you develop for KDE you have to do Qt ;-) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | surely not! | 17:16 |
| lcuk | you HAVE to? | 17:16 |
| EspadaV8 | cvandonderen: lol, true | 17:16 |
| gnuton | EspadaV8: I started learning Gtk.. and after I passed to Qt in order to write code for KDE. | 17:16 |
| gnuton | lcuk: btw any chance to see you at the MAemo summit? I read you had some issue witu your job.. | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | yes gnuton, damned principles. i'd love to get together and have a chat | 17:17 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: sure you have to do Qt | 17:17 |
| EspadaV8 | i just wanted something to learn, i use KDE, but everyone else at the office uses Gnome (those that use Linux), so i was a bit torn | 17:17 |
| cvandonderen | nah, okay, or platform specific API | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | im rooming with mek too, so hopefully he will show me some of the qt stuff and i can get upto speed a bit | 17:18 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: maybe meet you there then! | 17:18 |
| gnuton | hey for people interested in a Job, FN is looking for an engineer to hire with permament position. | 17:18 |
| cvandonderen | (at least, I think I'll meet up with mek) | 17:18 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, i dont do qt or gtk at the moment | 17:18 |
| lcuk | i just make things run well :) | 17:19 |
| cvandonderen | gnuton: FN? | 17:19 |
| gnuton | FN= Forum Nokia | 17:19 |
| cvandonderen | hmmm, I just need an internship... | 17:19 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, gnuton presentation i did on n900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9lFIXdowk | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | thankfully most also runs damned well on n810 too :) | 17:19 |
| * EspadaV8 cranks the volume up to 11 | 17:20 | |
| lcuk | yeah not my fault | 17:20 |
| lcuk | i like the flickering colors btw, it gives it a pirate broadcast feel | 17:20 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: neat :-) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, only a fraction :) i try lots of things | 17:21 |
| lcuk | but never get time to dive further in | 17:21 |
| cvandonderen | haha | 17:21 |
| * qwerty12_N810 mutters things about Northerners and their accents | 17:22 | |
| EspadaV8 | lol lcuk | 17:22 |
| cvandonderen | I know the feeling | 17:22 |
| cvandonderen | does anybody know of companies still doing interns with the crisis BTW? | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | cvandonderen, the one thing i have found in the last week: there are good jobs all over the maemo sphere | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | lots of good jobs | 17:23 |
| EspadaV8 | you should poke nokia about a job lcuk, get some of that added/ported to Qt :-D | 17:23 |
| lcuk | EspadaV8, i have made applications to nokia - i am waiting to hear back | 17:23 |
| EspadaV8 | :-) | 17:23 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: yeah, but they do not know if they do interns | 17:24 |
| cvandonderen | otherwise I can't graduate... | 17:24 |
| * EspadaV8 would love to work on Qt | 17:24 | |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, ask | 17:24 |
| lcuk | send in cv | 17:24 |
| lcuk | theres lists of companies relating to maemo on the wiki somewhere | 17:24 |
| lcuk | ummm where is it ... | 17:24 |
| gnuton | There are several open position in Nokia for Qt people.. take a look to nokia.com for them | 17:25 |
| cvandonderen | but then I'm in the graphics department with Qt stuff, I don't really like web development... | 17:25 |
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| cvandonderen | hmmm | 17:25 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, get yourself active in talk.maemo.org | 17:25 |
| lcuk | show people your work and see if you can help with their projects | 17:25 |
| lcuk | if you are graphics, you are toolkit agnostic | 17:25 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: yeah, well not design | 17:26 |
| cvandonderen | coding | 17:26 |
| cvandonderen | OpenGL and stuff | 17:26 |
| lcuk | then same, show some examples | 17:27 |
| wazd | who said opengl?) Let's make games! | 17:27 |
| cvandonderen | wazd: haha, yes | 17:27 |
| lcuk | and most of all - try to emphasise how you optimize and make things work on the embedded platform | 17:27 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: I never did embedded | 17:27 |
| cvandonderen | that is the problem | 17:27 |
| cvandonderen | it is not like I have 20 years of experience | 17:27 |
| EspadaV8 | i'm no way near good enough to apply to Nokia yet | 17:28 |
| EspadaV8 | still a lot to learn | 17:28 |
| lcuk | there is a hacker here called javispedro. he has started along a path towards opengles goodness | 17:28 |
| EspadaV8 | and the one example I do have, isn't really that good :( | 17:28 |
| * javispedro hides | 17:28 | |
| lcuk | i was soooooooo impressed when i saw he had created a single triangle | 17:28 |
| lcuk | what could YOU do with that triangle | 17:28 |
| cvandonderen | javispedro: :-P | 17:28 |
| lcuk | how could you make it work.. | 17:28 |
| wazd | I want multitask game on n900! arr! | 17:28 |
| lcuk | multitask? | 17:29 |
| javispedro | there are now quite a few ogles projects ongoing | 17:29 |
| lcuk | networked? | 17:29 |
| lcuk | or just multitask? | 17:29 |
| javispedro | not mine of course :P | 17:29 |
| EspadaV8 | someone should port Wine to the n900, then we could run WoW | 17:29 |
| * EspadaV8 hides | 17:29 | |
| cvandonderen | javispedro: we are trying to get Gluon (the new Qt/KDE Game engine) to work on OGLES too | 17:29 |
| lcuk | yeah, we try, everytime it ripens lardman drinks the whole barrrel | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | wine in qemu should work | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | not gonna be fast though | 17:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | EspadaV8: WoW? Really? C'mon, everyone wants GTA! | 17:30 |
| lcuk | stop porting then | 17:30 |
| wazd | Lcuk: uhh, not again :D I've showed that flash game before | 17:30 |
| EspadaV8 | oooh, gta | 17:30 |
| * EspadaV8 doesn't actually play WoW btw | 17:30 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: "wine under qemu" would be slow, but what about "qemu-user under wine"? | 17:30 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: but where should I show stuff then? It's not like I can but my Java OpenGL stuff on the maemo boards :-P | 17:30 |
| cvandonderen | *put | 17:30 |
| lcuk | just run Wow on your desktop and vnc it across | 17:31 |
| lcuk | then play anywhere in your house | 17:31 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders VNC over GPRS. | 17:32 | |
| wazd | 0.5 fps :) | 17:32 |
| lcuk | flogging a dead horse lol | 17:32 |
| EspadaV8 | oh... while i remember, is there an IRC client in the repo? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Just get yourself a freaking Windows PC. | 17:32 |
| cvandonderen | RST38h: haha, well, Win7 is not that bad ;-) | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a dual-core laptop | 17:32 |
| * wazd wants a dual laptop core :P | 17:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | One core a nice low-power ARM, one a x86 | 17:33 |
| cvandonderen | SpeedEvil: tehy are starting to sell those now | 17:33 |
| lcuk | just have multi arm cores | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | cvandonderen: yeah | 17:33 |
| EspadaV8 | like those new dells SpeedEvil? | 17:33 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: htc shift? | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Why do you need multiple cores anyway? | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | dell is multicore atom isn't it? | 17:34 |
| cvandonderen | SpeedEvil: no, ARM + x86_64 | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I don't - what Iw as really saying is Is that I want a CPU that powersaves greatly. | 17:34 |
| javispedro | wazd, ah, the shift. what a piece of overpriced hardware. | 17:34 |
| javispedro | they're still selling that here by... $800 ? | 17:34 |
| cvandonderen | the ARM even has its own WiFi adapter | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: but - getting a x86 to sip on the power is damn hard | 17:34 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, it has 2 cores :) | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: huh. when you have two cores, arm and x86, you'll have to compile everything for two different architectures, no? | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | and nothing will run really parallel | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, there's no connection between the two | 17:36 |
| cvandonderen | Shapeshifter: that is the idea on those Dell's yes | 17:36 |
| javispedro | they act more like independent computers sharing display on current implementations. | 17:36 |
| wazd | javispedro: since it is a unique device - it can have any price | 17:36 |
| Shapeshifter | but that's a bit daft. | 17:36 |
| javispedro | wazd: yeah. dell has introduced one of those now, only bigger. | 17:37 |
| cvandonderen | Shapeshifter: well, the idea is an instant-on OS for email and the x86 for the normal work | 17:37 |
| Shapeshifter | x86 is almost instant on from s2ram | 17:38 |
| Shapeshifter | or, instant if configured properly | 17:38 |
| javispedro | how's battery life in s2ram? | 17:38 |
| Shapeshifter | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/18/video-dfi-hybrid-motherboard-runs-two-whole-systems-simultan/ like this, it's kinda interesting but still pretty daft. | 17:38 |
| lcuk | just make a laptop with a neat little recess just the right size for an n900 :) | 17:39 |
| * javispedro wants x86-system-on-pci-card ;) | 17:39 | |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: not brilliant on my regular dell lap top, but I guess there's lots of room for optimization if needed | 17:39 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: the problem is 2GiB, 4GiB RAM. Having to keep a 256MiB chip powered on only is easier. | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: There was an x86-system-on-pci-card for Acorn's RiscPC | 17:40 |
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| EspadaV8 | Sun sell those javispedro | 17:40 |
| EspadaV8 | for their servers | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | IBM too. You can get an x86 add in for an iSeries | 17:41 |
| javispedro | heh. | 17:41 |
| EspadaV8 | oooooh... Acorn | 17:41 |
| * EspadaV8 's heart melts | 17:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I personally would want it configured like a thin client. The arm is a thin client, it has a desktop of its own, with limited functionality. But you power on the 'server' - and you've got access to the full suite of apps. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Add something to - for example - share open tabs in a browser between them, and if you're just reading a page, you can suspend the high power system | 17:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm not convinced. >.> | 17:45 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that doesnt ahve to be in the same shell | 17:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | By the way, with DDR3, power consumtion drops another 17-30% from ddr2 | 17:45 |
| Shapeshifter | runs at 1.5V | 17:45 |
| lcuk | your handheld and desktop pc should be in perfect harmony | 17:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | and if you put two systems in any device, that generally do the same, but one's a bit slower and has less features, you're really just wasting space. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Right. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 17:46 |
| javispedro | well, I like the idea. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | but i can walk out with my n900 in pocket | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: now - show me the x86 system that can use under a watt running. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | and still have a link to desktop | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: that kind of ties you to the house though. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | its what i want for my wallmount display | 17:46 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, not at all | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | it ties me to wherever i am | 17:46 |
| Shapeshifter | If it's done properly, the system should be able to switch off unneeded parts of the systems, but switch them one and use them in the same system if needed. Think of it as an engine with 8 cylinders running on 4 if not so much power is needed | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Sure. | 17:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Currently available chips don't however do this well, for a number of reasons. | 17:47 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, that happens anyway | 17:47 |
| javispedro | And that's what putting an slower secondary system does. | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: at least x86 | 17:47 |
| lcuk | desktop pcs have speedstep type things | 17:47 |
| javispedro | only you require user intervention for the switch "to happen". | 17:47 |
| lcuk | screens go dark | 17:47 |
| lcuk | etc | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | harddrives shut off | 17:47 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: well... http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/eden_ulv/ at least the 500mhz model uses only 1W | 17:48 |
| lcuk | hell, even the mouse curls up and has a nap | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | This is clearly a broken solution. The right solution is clearly to have a main processor that can throttle right back, and use milliwatts. | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | But they don't really exist at the moment. | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (by processor, I mean a fully active system not in suspend mode) | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Sure - and you'd be happy to use that as your main processor? | 17:49 |
| Shapeshifter | the via chipset that goes with that cpu uses 3.5W, and supports all kinds of media stuff and all that | 17:49 |
| EspadaV8 | heard about the upto 8 core arm cpus? | 17:49 |
| EspadaV8 | at 2ghz | 17:49 |
| lcuk | which hw are they in to play | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: 4W is a _lot_ of power. | 17:50 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: yeah I know... | 17:50 |
| Shapeshifter | I give up | 17:50 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not saying what you want should not be available. | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm saying it's not. | 17:50 |
| EspadaV8 | they were saying it could take on the atom in performance, but use a lot less power | 17:50 |
| Shapeshifter | sure | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Rapid suspend would be _almost_ as good for some things. | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can push it to 0.5s, and get it so that you can setup the software and hardware to queue packets and stuff for 30s or so | 17:51 |
| * suihkulokki points Shapeshifter to: http://focus.ti.com/download/tidc/pdfs/asia/2008/cn_T3_3_Bob_Lee_Ingenient.pdf | 17:52 | |
| EspadaV8 | "ARM states that a single core occupies less than 1.5 mm^2 ... can be clocked at speeds over 1GHz and consumes less than 250mW per core" | 17:52 |
| EspadaV8 | 1.5mm^2, that's bloody tiny | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | that's the core | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't make an actual processor that small - you need external connections f | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | the memory controller and external bus drivers and shit. | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably cache is excluded in that too | 17:54 |
| Shapeshifter | suihkulokki: impressive little power consumption. | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | same caveats apply | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | Video output: dual LCDsor LCD and TV out | 18:03 |
| javispedro | urg? | 18:03 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, it MAY be possible after all to show different images on the LCD and TV | 18:03 |
| cvandonderen | is the SGX in the N900 a 530 or 535? | 18:03 |
| gnuton | javispedro: hola! | 18:03 |
| javispedro | hi! | 18:04 |
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| gnuton | javispedro: I've seen the Video on youtube about your SNES emulator.. it's amazing.. | 18:04 |
| gnuton | javispedro: I was looking for deb packages.. but I didn't find them.. are they available somewhere? | 18:05 |
| cvandonderen | blegh, it's a 530, so slower than iPhone... | 18:05 |
| javispedro | :) quite a lot of people to thank for that. | 18:05 |
| javispedro | gnuton: extras-devel currently. | 18:05 |
| javispedro | well, and diablo extras too. | 18:05 |
| RST38h | gnuton: Extras :) | 18:05 |
| javispedro | cvandonderen: true. even though i've yet to see a definite confirmation about iphone's one. | 18:05 |
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| cvandonderen | javispedro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series5_.28SGX.29 | 18:06 |
| javispedro | yes, I know the kext is called SGX535 but then again that proves nothing | 18:06 |
| cvandonderen | aah | 18:06 |
| cvandonderen | :-P | 18:06 |
| cvandonderen | javispedro: but it should be as fast as the one in the DreamCast? | 18:07 |
| javispedro | cvandonderen: I dunno, I havent benchmarked either. | 18:08 |
| cvandonderen | hmmm, okay, that would mean ioquake3 on the n900 | 18:08 |
| cvandonderen | ;-) | 18:08 |
| javispedro | it's been said nokians are already playing with quake3. | 18:09 |
| wjt | aiming a railgun with an accelerometer would be interesting:) | 18:09 |
| VDVsx | cvandonderen, AFAIK ioquake3 runs on the pandora (same chip as the n900) | 18:09 |
| cvandonderen | hmm, neat | 18:10 |
| cvandonderen | I played some Quake2 on my N82 | 18:10 |
| cvandonderen | :-P | 18:10 |
| lcuk | wjt, getting force feedback when you fire it too ;) | 18:10 |
| wjt | :) | 18:10 |
| cvandonderen | aaah, that brings me to a question | 18:10 |
| lcuk | oh cripes | 18:10 |
| cvandonderen | is there a vibrate function in the n900? | 18:10 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:10 |
| cvandonderen | because the reviewers say ther ei sonly a on and silent mode | 18:11 |
| cvandonderen | and no vibrate only | 18:11 |
| lcuk | dunno about that | 18:11 |
| * cvandonderen can not put spaces in the correct places | 18:11 | |
| lcuk | but this thing shakes when i get a call/text | 18:11 |
| cvandonderen | haha | 18:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | cvandonderen: There's a vibration function, and an API somewhere to control it :) | 18:11 |
| javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVOnT36Qw4 awww | 18:11 |
| EspadaV8 | i surprise myself all the time | 18:11 |
| lcuk | javispedro, my mate made one of those seats for his degree | 18:13 |
| javispedro | cuuuuuuuuuute. | 18:14 |
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| cvandonderen | qwerty12_N810: okay, neat, is that API open from Qt, or does that involve strange whings with pointers to things? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | there should be a bacon factory class in qt | 18:14 |
| lcuk | it would help the rest of the system run smoothly | 18:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | cvandonderen: A DBus call AFAIK; dunno how Qt and DBus go together | 18:16 |
| lcuk | doh! http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study | 18:16 |
| cvandonderen | qwerty12_N810: dbus and Qt are the combination made n heaven :-) | 18:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 18:16 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: Everything is happening exactly as I have foreseen! | 18:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:18 | |
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| lcuk | yikes | 18:19 |
| * lcuk goes n gives #liqbase some text | 18:19 | |
| lcuk | lookin a bit empty! | 18:19 |
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| EspadaV8 | bah, i need a script to copy, compile and scp my code and bins | 18:26 |
| javispedro | or use nfs, sshfs, ... | 18:26 |
| EspadaV8 | nah, it's the 'make changes on desktop', check it works, copy the files into scratchbox, login to scratch, switch target, compile, scp files to n900, run on n900 | 18:28 |
| EspadaV8 | also, scp doesn't copy the symlink, it copies the whole file instead :( | 18:29 |
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| javispedro | yet another conspirator? | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Should it copy the symlink though? =) | 18:34 |
| RST38h | zap_: Moo? | 18:34 |
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| EspadaV8 | i'd like it to | 18:36 |
| EspadaV8 | since when it doesn't, it's coping the same lib 4 times | 18:37 |
| EspadaV8 | are there any docs for the changes in Qt Hildon? | 18:41 |
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| EspadaV8 | pressing the enter key gives me a value of 16777221 | 18:41 |
| lcuk | be thankful, in my day all keypresses were ASCII | 18:42 |
| EspadaV8 | which isn't the same as Qt::Key_Return or Qt::Key_Enter :( | 18:42 |
| javispedro | maybe Keypad enter | 18:42 |
| lcuk | can you do runtime introspection of a qt handle? | 18:43 |
| lbt | yes | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | and call methods and properties based on it | 18:44 |
| lcuk | ? | 18:44 |
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| lbt | yes http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qmetaobject.html | 18:45 |
| EspadaV8 | hmmm | 18:46 |
| lcuk | neat! | 18:46 |
| EspadaV8 | it says that it should be Key_Enter | 18:46 |
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| * EspadaV8 wonders it the #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON isn't working | 18:46 | |
| lcuk | perhaps it has been ORed with something, what code is Key_Enter | 18:47 |
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| * lcuk thinks 16777216 is a likely culprit | 18:47 | |
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| EspadaV8 | Qt::Key_Enter0x01000005Typically located on the keypad. | 18:48 |
| EspadaV8 | oops | 18:48 |
| EspadaV8 | Qt::Key_Enter - 0x01000005 | 18:48 |
| EspadaV8 | http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d220489a1 | 18:49 |
| EspadaV8 | yet i have that | 18:49 |
| EspadaV8 | and it's not being caught | 18:49 |
| lcuk | so the code is correct for Key_enter | 18:50 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah | 18:50 |
| lcuk | then looking at the fragment, chec kthe value of modifiers() | 18:50 |
| lcuk | and see what its being muddled with | 18:51 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah | 18:51 |
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| EspadaV8 | rather odd though | 18:52 |
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| EspadaV8 | i just realised, hopefully soon i'll be running this on 4 different platforms :-) | 18:55 |
| * EspadaV8 hugs Qt | 18:55 | |
| lcuk | what app you writing? | 18:56 |
| lcuk | which encompasses such differing landscapes | 18:57 |
| EspadaV8 | http://blogs.palringo.com/andrew/ | 18:58 |
| EspadaV8 | http://github.com/EspadaV8/QPalringo | 18:58 |
| lcuk | a blank page | 18:58 |
| EspadaV8 | my palringo client | 18:58 |
| EspadaV8 | :-S shouldn't be blank | 18:58 |
| EspadaV8 | isn't for me | 18:58 |
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| EspadaV8 | should compile on win and mac too | 19:00 |
| EspadaV8 | not tried it yet though | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | EspadeV8: What is the point in having palringo on N900? | 19:00 |
| EspadaV8 | it's a multi IM app | 19:00 |
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| EspadaV8 | talk to people on MSN etc | 19:01 |
| EspadaV8 | like pidgin | 19:01 |
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| EspadaV8 | hmm. odd, it thinks the shift key is pressed | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | EspadaV8, the content is down below, but http://liqbase.net/qpalringo_web_bug.jpg | 19:05 |
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| EspadaV8 | lcuk: wow, now that is impressive | 19:05 |
| EspadaV8 | never seen that happen before | 19:05 |
| lcuk | firefox 3.0.5 on winxp | 19:06 |
| lcuk | i have fonts set with a minimum size which might be throwing off your layout | 19:06 |
| EspadaV8 | ahhh, could be 3.0.5 too | 19:06 |
| lcuk | dunno i rarely see web hiccups | 19:06 |
| EspadaV8 | shall have to check when i'm in the office tomorrow | 19:07 |
| * lcuk nods | 19:07 | |
| EspadaV8 | and yay me | 19:07 |
| EspadaV8 | i've just found a new key code | 19:07 |
| lcuk | same with all your postings under that layout from what i can see | 19:07 |
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| * EspadaV8 blames wordpress | 19:08 | |
| lcuk | i wonder if its fixed on fremantle :D | 19:11 |
| javispedro | no, in harmattan. | 19:12 |
| EspadaV8 | looks fine on the 900 here | 19:12 |
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| EspadaV8 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/43171128@N07/3979929595/ | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | bah flickr is coming up with some rubbish login thingy | 19:16 |
| EspadaV8 | not sure if anyone answered and i missed it, but is there an irc client for maemo? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | i thought flickr was public access | 19:17 |
| lcuk | xchat | 19:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ping? | 19:17 |
| javispedro | wow, I see the packages interface now shows package icons too. Very cool! | 19:17 |
| EspadaV8 | try now lcuk | 19:17 |
| EspadaV8 | i had it as private | 19:17 |
| lcuk | good that it works | 19:18 |
| EspadaV8 | :) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | your title header is like mine :) | 19:19 |
| wazd | Was there a request to make presentations 16:9? | 19:19 |
| EspadaV8 | the "Coming soon..." ? | 19:20 |
| EspadaV8 | grrr | 19:20 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090831_025549.ctrlliqpostcard_intro1.scr.png | 19:20 |
| EspadaV8 | getting a coredump on key presses now | 19:20 |
| lcuk | wazd i believe the projector is 169 | 19:20 |
| lcuk | but will work in std def | 19:20 |
| lcuk | just with borders | 19:21 |
| lcuk | best had to - its gotta project 800*480 well | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | wazd, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Speakers | 19:21 |
| * lcuk is busy making his presentations | 19:21 | |
| lcuk | VDVsx, are you doing your homework | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, not yet | 19:22 |
| * lcuk is | 19:22 | |
| RST38h | EspadaV8: Mameo5 has multi IM app builtin | 19:22 |
| EspadaV8 | RST38h: it does? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | EspadaV8: It is called Nokia Conversations | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Yep. | 19:22 |
| lcuk | conversations | 19:22 |
| lcuk | kicks ass as well | 19:22 |
| EspadaV8 | skype, jabber and sip | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Absolutely | 19:22 |
| lcuk | its got me using sms for the first time | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Yes it will do all three and more | 19:22 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I've to finish a few things in BlueMaemo first ;) | 19:23 |
| javispedro | hehe | 19:23 |
| wazd | VDVsx: cool, thanks | 19:23 |
| EspadaV8 | and besides, Conversations wasn't coded by me ;-) | 19:23 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, good good good good good | 19:23 |
| EspadaV8 | (so it's not likely to crash all the time) | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | if its an app with parallel similar features it might be a good idea to talk with the conversations people :) | 19:24 |
| lcuk | since yours is qt | 19:24 |
| EspadaV8 | not really, palringo stores all the IM services on our servers, so you can sign in to pal from another computer/device and have the mall there with you | 19:25 |
| EspadaV8 | i only started coding it because i needed a linux client since using Wine was/is a pain | 19:25 |
| Shapeshifter | but the n900 has it's own IM messenger, and it would also run pidgin, wouldn't it. | 19:25 |
| EspadaV8 | and to learn Qt/C++ | 19:25 |
| lcuk | has it worked? | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: yeah, think i saw pidgin there | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | lcuk: still a work in progress | 19:26 |
| lcuk | i mean you learning :P | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | lcuk: still a work in progress | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | ;-) | 19:26 |
| lcuk | or is that the same answer lol | 19:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:26 |
| lcuk | the day we stop learning is the day we die | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | i've been doing it no and off for the last year-ish | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | not got as far as i was hoping | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | but i've mostly been 'off' it | 19:27 |
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| EspadaV8 | woohoo :-D | 19:33 |
| EspadaV8 | it works | 19:33 |
| EspadaV8 | i can send messages :-) | 19:33 |
| kr1shnak | congrats | 19:34 |
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| EspadaV8 | thank you :) | 19:34 |
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| kr1shnak | I need to get started on some maemo coding at some point | 19:35 |
| kr1shnak | I have an old N800 sitting in my drawer | 19:35 |
| kr1shnak | I have no idea if I can install the latest OS on it though | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | kr1shnak: maemo5 does not run on older devices afaik. | 19:36 |
| kr1shnak | :( | 19:36 |
| kr1shnak | I guess I will have to rely on emulator only then | 19:37 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: does palringo have a web interface? | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: any news with hostmode? | 19:38 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: not at the moment, but once we've got a few other things sorted, we'll be working on one | 19:39 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: do you use libpurple? | 19:39 |
| EspadaV8 | errmmm... | 19:39 |
| EspadaV8 | i don't | 19:39 |
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| EspadaV8 | not sure what the server uses (i'm a web developer) | 19:40 |
| EspadaV8 | qpalringo just talks to the server using libQPalringo (that i wrote) | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: well, any client can also use libpurple... Point being that meebo.com also uses libpurple, just like piding or finch. It would be sane to use it as well instead of your own implementation ;) | 19:40 |
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| EspadaV8 | the server handles all that stuff | 19:41 |
| EspadaV8 | i just send messages to the server | 19:41 |
| Shapeshifter | ah I see | 19:41 |
| EspadaV8 | (the palringo server, not the MSN servers) | 19:41 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. well, centralized. you take all the load ^^ | 19:41 |
| EspadaV8 | palringo kind of acts like a proxy | 19:41 |
| Shapeshifter | yep | 19:41 |
| EspadaV8 | mhmm | 19:41 |
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| EspadaV8 | like i mentioned, it's so you can go from your WinMob phone, to the Mac client, to a Symbian phone with the same account, and always have your other services with you | 19:42 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 19:42 |
| Shapeshifter | makes sense. | 19:42 |
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| EspadaV8 | yay, i think i'm pretty much done with the move to a plugin system | 19:44 |
| EspadaV8 | not i need to add a nice UI that doesn't kill the system | 19:45 |
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| EspadaV8 | any git users around? | 20:09 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: ping? | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: How are things? | 20:24 |
| * RST38h moos lazily | 20:24 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles tests. | 20:25 | |
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| Stskeeps | waz1: pong | 20:27 |
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| * EspadaV8 stabs git | 20:40 | |
| kr1shnak | whats the problem EspadaV8? Its probably highly unlikely I will be able to help though | 20:41 |
| kr1shnak | I only use the basics of git | 20:41 |
| EspadaV8 | i think i've foobared something | 20:42 |
| EspadaV8 | i've got 2 branches | 20:42 |
| EspadaV8 | master and ui-plugins | 20:42 |
| kr1shnak | right | 20:42 |
| EspadaV8 | i've finished with ui-plugins and was trying to merge it to master | 20:42 |
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| kr1shnak | sounds like it should be straight forward enough | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | had a few conflicts, fixed them, commit | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | +ed | 20:43 |
| kr1shnak | what is it complaining about? | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | well... i tried 'git pull' | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | that failed | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | git status said... | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 1 commit. | 20:43 |
| EspadaV8 | and now git pull is erroring | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: btw, what happens when you connect your n900 to a PC, is it simply an external storage device or does it need any fancy software? | 20:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | and do you see the directory tree of its linux and all that? | 20:44 |
| EspadaV8 | http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d44467c88 | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The PC explodes. | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It's hoped that this will be fixed by release date. | 20:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | right ;) | 20:44 |
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| kr1shnak | hmm | 20:45 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: there is a 'PC Suite' mode | 20:45 |
| EspadaV8 | mounting as storage just gives you the ~ folder | 20:45 |
| EspadaV8 | i might just rm -rf and git checkout | 20:46 |
| EspadaV8 | and start again | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | so maemo isn't multiuser at all? | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, no, not really. | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | if it gives ~ that implies there's only one suer | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | user | 20:46 |
| EspadaV8 | mhmm | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | interesting. | 20:46 |
| EspadaV8 | there's 'root' and 'user' | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multiple users for a mobile device doesn't really make much sense. | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: yeah. | 20:47 |
| RST38h | One phone per family! | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: It can. | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Developing country, you know... | 20:47 |
| kr1shnak | when I run into git troubles I usually end up hitting: http://gitready.com/ | 20:47 |
| EspadaV8 | http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d44b980c0 - git remote show origin - kr1shnak | 20:47 |
| lcuk | tablet sharing | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: for example - I want to hand my phone to my brother/... - I don't want him getting any of the content | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, does that extreme niche justify the extra development and testing effort? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | damn! the only use case for multitouch | 20:47 |
| Shapeshifter | the sdk has useradd | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes - it's clearly a last proirity after getting the FM transmitter and reciever working | 20:48 |
| kr1shnak | sometimes I think git is more hassle than its worth | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: split-screen-touch-gaming >.> | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | up to 8 players XD | 20:48 |
| lcuk | pair them with bluetooth | 20:48 |
| lcuk | its not like we can share the accelerometer | 20:49 |
| EspadaV8 | kr1shnak: me too | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | or use OSC | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | One axis per player | 20:49 |
| EspadaV8 | but i do like local commits | 20:49 |
| RST38h | General: No idea, I have been taking random thoughts out of my brain | 20:49 |
| lcuk | and allow as many on the subnet as needed | 20:49 |
| kr1shnak | yeah local commits are cool | 20:49 |
| kr1shnak | I used to use darcs | 20:49 |
| kr1shnak | which was pretty nice | 20:49 |
| kr1shnak | then people were saying it was horribly broken or something | 20:49 |
| kr1shnak | and the git bandwagon started out in force | 20:50 |
| kr1shnak | so I started to use git | 20:50 |
| kr1shnak | now... I think there has to be a better way | 20:50 |
| Shapeshifter | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL | 20:51 |
| Shapeshifter | sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly you need to write your own revision control system kr1shnak. | 20:51 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't have any other session. do I need to delete some lock file? | 20:51 |
| kr1shnak | heh | 20:52 |
| kr1shnak | no way! | 20:52 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: ab-sf-init.sh stop | 20:52 |
| EspadaV8 | or whatever that command is | 20:52 |
| kr1shnak | anyone tried mercurial? | 20:52 |
| lcuk | javispedro, was it you that installed vb6 into wine | 20:53 |
| javispedro | crossover. | 20:53 |
| javispedro | but i don't see why it wouldn't work with plain wine. | 20:53 |
| lcuk | so it worked | 20:53 |
| javispedro | well, it boots. :) | 20:53 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: thanks | 20:53 |
| lcuk | is it still installed? | 20:54 |
| javispedro | and i can compile and run things | 20:54 |
| javispedro | yes | 20:54 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: np, i had that problem a few times | 20:54 |
| lcuk | good - so the baseline ide sits together and can produce ui layouts | 20:54 |
| Shapeshifter | so, what uname -a returns is some sort of hybrid between the host os and the scratchbox? | 20:54 |
| Shapeshifter | Linux Tachychineta 2.6.30-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 9 12:37:32 UTC 2009 arm GNU/Linux | 20:54 |
| * lcuk smiles | 20:54 | |
| javispedro | hehe :) | 20:54 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: Linux pinecone 2.6.27-gentoo-r3 #5 PREEMPT Sat Apr 25 10:11:50 BST 2009 arm GNU/Linux | 20:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | I see | 20:55 |
| javispedro | lcuk: well, the GUI does weird things if you try to resize a form by dragging. fortunately, you can still do that by just typing a width. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | i load a template project and tend to not resize forms... | 20:55 |
| lcuk | i have a nice one setup which produces a liq* layout at 800*480 | 20:56 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:56 |
| warp10 | I have read that N900 will not support Java. I was wondering why, given that a lot of webpages host java applets. Any better news or idea about that? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | javascript!=java | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | warp10: i think there's some misinformation out about that.. | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | I think more people want java midp than java se web applets | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | oh, will not | 20:57 |
| warp10 | Stskeeps: really? I have read a very extensive review (linked on Planet Maemo too) stating that Java isn't supported at all. | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | warp10: nm ;0 | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | there is no j2se, applet or midp suport. Also no WAP and MMS support. | 20:58 |
| javispedro | Sun offers a payware ARM J2SE JVM. | 20:58 |
| Shapeshifter | ah, is it because there's no open java for ARM? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | there's now, Zero iirc. | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | Well there is, but it's nt entirely complete, and it's seriously painful to install | 21:00 |
| Shapeshifter | also, icedtea | 21:00 |
| Shapeshifter | I thought. | 21:00 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: well, I'd consider J2SE support good enough. The missing part is Applets. | 21:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | am I the only one that doesnt miss any java support on the tablets? I guess it would be nice but it does not seem essential. | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, no. | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean java in-web? | 21:01 |
| * RST38h also does not miss java support | 21:01 | |
| javispedro | Tadthebuilder: there are java haters here. | 21:01 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't miss java either | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | I'd like midp2 support for opera mini :-) | 21:01 |
| waz1 | Summon stskeeps | 21:02 |
| RST38h | yea, midp2 would be nice in general | 21:02 |
| RST38h | but I do not miss it | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | that would be nice, it's not something that would more than slightly annoy me. | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | warp10: yes? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | err | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | waz1: yes? | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway, you can clearly implement a java engine in javascript. | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | See http://matt.west.co.tt/spectrum/jsspeccy/ for an example | 21:02 |
| frals | i miss mms more than java support... ;) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | +100 | 21:02 |
| warp10 | Tadthebuilder: me neither, especially given that My N97 hasn't Java (and I happily live with that) and I dislike Java too. I was just surprised that such a high-level device wouldn't support Java :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | sending pictures of cats is a high priority | 21:03 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: I've made a background) | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | mms | 21:03 |
| frals | lcuk: and beer. dont forget beer! :) | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | is not worth the cost unless you have an unlimited plan | 21:03 |
| * lcuk raises a glass of water | 21:03 | |
| Stskeeps | waz1: :) how can i see it? | 21:03 |
| * SpeedEvil raises the titanic. | 21:03 | |
| frals | right, water then! dont forget the water! ;) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, depends how much you REALLY like the girl | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | I can wait until I get home and email them... | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | and if you ahve a device like n900 you can just email them from the device | 21:04 |
| frals | i got 3000 free MMS, not gone over 100 in a single month yet ;D | 21:04 |
| karbas | hmm.. what it needs to create mms support to n900? | 21:04 |
| karbas | i use quite much mms:s | 21:04 |
| * lcuk just wants to send postcards :) | 21:04 | |
| karbas | about as much as sms's | 21:04 |
| lcuk | if they go via the mms backend, all the better | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 21:04 |
| * Shapeshifter has never seen the point of mms | 21:04 | |
| frals | karbas: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32129 | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Are there printer -> postal gateways? | 21:04 |
| javispedro | there are MMS hates here too :D | 21:05 |
| Shapeshifter | then again, I never had a phone that supported mms... | 21:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | that postcard thing you have worked out is really cool | 21:05 |
| Shapeshifter | so I wouldn't know. | 21:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | (then again I love practically everything about your liqbase setup. | 21:05 |
| * lcuk smiles muchly | 21:05 | |
| karbas | ShadowJK, well.. one example.. you sit in bar in front of beer.. if you just send picture of beer and in background the bar.. your friend will appear in front of you quite soon | 21:05 |
| lcuk | hopefully it will expand beyond what i can make for it soon | 21:05 |
| karbas | Shapeshifter, well.. one example.. you sit in bar in front of beer.. if you just send picture of beer and in background the bar.. your friend will appear in front of you quite soon | 21:05 |
| karbas | ShadowJK, not for you that | 21:05 |
| lcuk | its been hard work this year trying out everything | 21:05 |
| Shapeshifter | karbas: makes sense. | 21:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | just dont make it expand past my n800 to much.... | 21:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | well yo ucan | 21:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just want to be able to use it for the most part on my n800 | 21:06 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: wait a bit | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | Honestly I think it's just because implementing WAP and MMS is a huge task, and it's kinda hard to justify spending so much time on a dying technology | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mms isn't dying | 21:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | mms will die as mobile web gets faster and better | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather - it's gonna be a hell of a long time before it's unused | 21:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | and more used | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | regrettably in many places, data is still expensive. | 21:08 |
| frals | ShadowJK: from what ive seen, it *seems* like its doable without most of the wap crap, and rely on operators having http frontends | 21:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | well yes | 21:08 |
| frals | from what ive gathered thats what android does | 21:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha I cant afford a data plan | 21:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I also cannot afford mms :) | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Some stupid places allow mms's, but not data | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | or charge more for data | 21:09 |
| andre__ | i've never used mms and i've never seen a usecase for it | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Sending pictures of drunk people is basically the whole use-case. | 21:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | or cute kittnes | 21:09 |
| jaska | so it would seem | 21:09 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/0910/ef/790a5d3dfd24.jpg | 21:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | or a kid under a sign that says dip | 21:09 |
| frals | my gf uses it to send cute "love you pics" she draws on her 5800 :p | 21:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think that was on a commercial for a phone or service that allowed mms | 21:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | along time ago | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | andre: MMS is like email, but it works with a wider range of devices and operators :) | 21:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | I did not quite understand it | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | or like SMS with pictures, that works with wide range of devices | 21:10 |
| frals | i mostly use it to send pictures of what im drinking at the pub to friends to make em get there faster ;) | 21:10 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, as neither my current mobile phone nor my computer support MMS: no ;-)) | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | waz1: and it's 16:9? | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, your computer supports mms fine, if the sender enters your email address instead of a phone number ;-) | 21:11 |
| andre__ | hmm. that's "email" to me. heh | 21:11 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: yep | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | waz1: ta | 21:11 |
| frals | to the sender its MMS, id say ^^ | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | But for example at nokia there's a whole huge range of S40 and S60 devices that support mms and mostly just crash trying to do email :) | 21:11 |
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| andre__ | hehehe | 21:12 |
| karbas | is see point with mms because ppl around be uses those a lot | 21:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Anything else I can help with? | 21:13 |
| karbas | every ones mobile support it | 21:13 |
| Shapeshifter | is there a listing somewhere of what the nokia binary packages do? | 21:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | could you email an mms to someone phone number from like gmail? | 21:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | and it show up as an mms? | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | Tadthebuilder, not universally | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: at this particular moment i can't think of anything, i still need to write my slides.. | 21:13 |
| Shapeshifter | and huh there's no "man" | 21:13 |
| frals | Tadthebuilder: depends on the operator, some does provide this service | 21:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | Tadthebuilder, for example when I MMS to an email address, sender email shows up as <phonenumber>@operator, and that's a valid email mailbox, but my phone isn't setup to check it | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | The operator does MMS->email translation but not the other way around :( | 21:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah I see | 21:14 |
| frals | gotta try and see if my operator supports that... | 21:14 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ok) | 21:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay, I thought maybe that was expected workaround since it seems internet phones (n900, iphone) dont have mms support | 21:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | (I realize newest iphones do have support) | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | I've been too scared to setup email on my S60 device. there's the whole email settings wizard scandal, and the whole nokia messaging fubar mess to work around, and I haven't had the motivation :/ | 21:15 |
| wazd | VDVsx: now it's time to make stuff for you :) | 21:15 |
| karbas | i don't have friends with iphones nor n900:s :) | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: any recommended colors of text? | 21:16 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: emm, white?) | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: alright | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and you think this will look good on a big screen with projector? | 21:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | well there are only so many n900's in the wild at this point...not suprising you dont have any friends with one | 21:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you don't?) | 21:17 |
| karbas | Tadthebuilder, yes.. but point for that mms thing | 21:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah oh I see | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm artistically blind ;) | 21:18 |
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| karbas | and i think that n900 will still be quite marginal phone within non-nerd people | 21:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe | 21:19 |
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| Tadthebuilder | well and rich nerds at that :) | 21:19 |
| javispedro | evil, rich nerds specially. | 21:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont know why they would be evil.... | 21:19 |
| javispedro | the devil himself chose the n900, didn't you get the memo? ;) | 21:20 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, since it was said bout 16x9 ratio then projector will have good image quality. Black template proves that too. So we can make something more sophisticated than black on white) | 21:20 |
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| Tadthebuilder | nope, missed that memo, must of got over looked | 21:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | you are referring to bill gates right? | 21:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | (tehehe) | 21:21 |
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| EspadaV8 | :-S git gives me a headache | 21:32 |
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| konttori__ | by the way, is anybody working on the screenlets port? | 21:37 |
| konttori__ | http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/Information | 21:37 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: it's the side-effect of hardwiring git-gui(1) into your brain. :) Process should end in a few weeks. | 21:38 |
| dottedmag | Eh. git-gui(1) actually exists, so let's call it git-brain-interface(1). | 21:38 |
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| EspadaV8 | dottedmag: oooh... so i guess you know a bit about git then :-D | 21:40 |
| EspadaV8 | oh... wait... | 21:40 |
| EspadaV8 | misread that :( | 21:40 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: a bit, not a wizard | 21:41 |
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| EspadaV8 | do you know if there's a way to see what i've commited locally but not pushed? | 21:41 |
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| dottedmag | EspadaV8: I usually run gitk and see the branches' locations | 21:41 |
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| EspadaV8 | ah :( | 21:42 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: And IIRC git status gives helpful 'branch is N commits ahead of origin/branch' | 21:42 |
| EspadaV8 | because git status says i'm up-to-date and nothing to commit, yet i have folders locally that don't exist on the server | 21:42 |
| RST38h | konttori: This reminds me of someone from Nokia working on Google widgets... | 21:43 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: it's perfectly fine: you've commited everything, so there's nothing to commit. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | didn't kate do that at some point? | 21:43 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: but you did not push the changes to remote server, which is completely unrelated activity. | 21:43 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah... but i don't want to push them, i want to revert everything to the state it is on the server | 21:43 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: it's easy | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: I think she did | 21:44 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: git reset --hard origin/master (or other branch you want to use) | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: But I have not seen the final version | 21:44 |
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| dottedmag | EspadaV8: note it will completely remove everything which is not on server | 21:44 |
| EspadaV8 | mhmm, that's what i want | 21:44 |
| EspadaV8 | i was trying git reset --hard HEAD | 21:45 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: I see. | 21:45 |
| * EspadaV8 tries git merge again | 21:45 | |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: you've mixed local and remote branches. | 21:45 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: HEAD is your local current branch. origin/master is a local representation of branch you've fetched. | 21:45 |
| EspadaV8 | ahhh | 21:45 |
| EspadaV8 | i see | 21:45 |
| EspadaV8 | :-) | 21:45 |
| EspadaV8 | thank you dottedmag | 21:45 |
| dottedmag | welcome | 21:46 |
| EspadaV8 | grrr, getting conflicts now | 21:46 |
| dottedmag | git branches are alien at ferst, but quite powerful. | 21:46 |
| dottedmag | *at first | 21:46 |
| javispedro | never clone a git newbie's repo ;) | 21:46 |
| dottedmag | :)) | 21:46 |
| EspadaV8 | hmmm... | 21:47 |
| EspadaV8 | something isn't right with the merge | 21:47 |
| EspadaV8 | git merge origin/ui-plugins | 21:47 |
| EspadaV8 | that'll merge the remote branch, yes? | 21:47 |
| dottedmag | yes | 21:47 |
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| EspadaV8 | hmmm | 21:48 |
| EspadaV8 | because origin/ui-plugins doesn't have a 'tags' folder (i deleted it) but after the merge, master still has it | 21:49 |
| dottedmag | it might be the conflict | 21:49 |
| dottedmag | look for change/delete conflict in merge output | 21:49 |
| EspadaV8 | it's deleting all the files/folders in the tags folder, just not the folder itself | 21:50 |
| EspadaV8 | can't see any conflicts about it | 21:50 |
| dottedmag | what does git status say about it? | 21:50 |
| EspadaV8 | renamed: tags/0.1.1/src/signinwindow.cpp -> trunk/uiPlugins/qpDefaultUi/signinwindow.cpp | 21:51 |
| EspadaV8 | :-S that never happened | 21:51 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: just a false positive, never mind | 21:51 |
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| EspadaV8 | i moved trunk/src/signinwindow.cpp | 21:51 |
| EspadaV8 | that not going to matter then? | 21:52 |
| dottedmag | yes | 21:52 |
| EspadaV8 | one sec, just got to make a call | 21:52 |
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| EspadaV8 | dottedmag: http://espadav8.pastebin.com/d2e94bdc8 - git status | 21:59 |
| dottedmag | whoa | 22:00 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: is anything left in tags dir? | 22:00 |
| timeless | anyone know why openssh client/server was updated for maemo5? | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Looked at its debian/changelog? | 22:02 |
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| Proteous | timeless new version of ssh came out | 22:02 |
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| Proteous | some sort of anniversary edition... | 22:03 |
| EspadaV8 | dottedmag: all the folders | 22:06 |
| EspadaV8 | and a load of sub=folders | 22:06 |
| dottedmag | EspadaV8: any files? | 22:06 |
| EspadaV8 | not that i can see | 22:06 |
| dottedmag | do not worry then, git does not track directories separately | 22:06 |
| EspadaV8 | no, no files | 22:06 |
| EspadaV8 | ah | 22:06 |
| dottedmag | So the tags/ will go out after resolving conflicts and commit. | 22:06 |
| EspadaV8 | m'kay | 22:07 |
| lcuk | simplest way to play a wav file in c? | 22:07 |
| EspadaV8 | can i get a list of conflicts without doing git status? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | and NEVER search google image for dingdong | 22:08 |
| * lcuk needs to erase | 22:08 | |
| Tadthebuilder | oh wow | 22:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | bad idea lcuk | 22:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | what were you looking for? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | dingdong door bell | 22:08 |
| Proteous | a tasty pastry | 22:09 |
| lcuk | found it in original google page lol | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: doorbell widget? | 22:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 22:09 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810 yeah | 22:10 |
| konttori__ | Stskeeps: RST38h : Hmm... I think she was. Also, she had the qt widgets running on n810. | 22:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think a widget that is recursive would be pretty cool | 22:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | and confuse the mess out of people | 22:10 |
| konttori__ | or were those google widgets running from the qt? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, would be a nice simple effective one for people to use a template :) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | like liqtorch :P | 22:11 |
| Firebird | hanging your tablet outside? | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Since you're just playing a sound, and appear not to be doing anything special with the sound: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/hildon-Sound-Utilities.html ... | 22:11 |
| lcuk | "dong dong, maemo calling" | 22:11 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N810, i shall see if i have dev headers to link that | 22:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: Yeah, lcuk will be hanging his N900 outside at 21:00 for anyone to take | 22:14 |
| lcuk | Firebird, i have my n900 on me all the time | 22:14 |
| lcuk | we need a daemon that just sits listening for network doorbells | 22:15 |
| lcuk | and if it detects someone else runnin the same one it goes wild | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want an electric-shock doorbell for those people who feel like playing knockdown ginger | 22:16 |
| rm_you | i needs me a n900 | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | i needs me a minisd | 22:17 |
| kynky | i need n900 too, just trying to find way to get ut of my contract first | 22:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | you both need training in English grammer. | 22:17 |
| Firebird | I can has need me a moneys? | 22:18 |
| kynky | lol, @ grammer, even though i cant spell | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I need a TV-out cable | 22:18 |
| zap_ | I can email you one | 22:19 |
| kynky | only because you went to the trouble of the correct capital E | 22:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | walmart sells tv-out cables | 22:19 |
| Firebird | oh right, can the tablphone900 be on without a battery? | 22:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha, yeah I need training in English spelling. | 22:19 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zap_: Thanks! In return, I can get the Prince of Nigeria in touch with you. He has lost a son and it turns out that he left some money to you... | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | zap: Hey, have been trying to find you... | 22:20 |
| RST38h | zap: MC postinst has got one non-fatal but unpleasant problem | 22:21 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, bug fiferboy tonight to do the gtk widget. i asked him last week to make me a simple one with just a picture and a click event. add the wav and make it ring. | 22:21 |
| lcuk | let everyone know we are here :) | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: What GTK+ widget? :) | 22:21 |
| lcuk | a desktop one | 22:21 |
| RST38h | zap: The folder selection utility is not in Fremantle, so the postinst fails, although the package still registers as "installed" (just broken) and works | 22:21 |
| RST38h | zap: To fix this, use the following safety check: | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I don't have a need for one :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | you dont, but about half those widgets in the list do | 22:22 |
| RST38h | if [ -x /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location ]; then | 22:22 |
| RST38h | maemo-select-menu-location vgba.desktop | 22:22 |
| RST38h | fi | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: so... you get in touch with him :p | 22:22 |
| lcuk | im goin offline, ive got some work to do (as always..) | 22:22 |
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| zap_ | RST38h: thats because there's no menu in fremantle? | 22:23 |
| RST38h | zap: Yep, just one large bucket of stuff | 22:23 |
| lcuk | that user interactive portion of the installer kills apt and ssh | 22:23 |
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| RST38h | zap: But the above piece will work on both Diablo and Fremantle, tested it | 22:23 |
| zap_ | RST38h: will fix that tomorrow | 22:24 |
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| zap_ | I understand | 22:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: odds are that I won't catch him, either | 22:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You have your tablet hidden behind some drywall or what? =) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | cyas later \o RST38h qwerty12_N810 | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | bye, lcuk | 22:24 |
| RST38h | g'night lcuk | 22:24 |
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| keesj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuecNKEVKic first working setup for push_nbutton | 22:35 |
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| Proteous | worst driving ever | 22:37 |
| Proteous | you'll never win that way | 22:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | im very confused by that video | 22:38 |
| Proteous | heh | 22:38 |
| Proteous | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHjVDc3Vng&NR=1 | 22:38 |
| Proteous | that will clear it up | 22:38 |
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| Tadthebuilder | there is a very nice keyboard which i cannot see because this is a fake model | 22:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | awesome line | 22:39 |
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| Proteous | lego FTW | 22:40 |
| keesj | yes, but if I want to make thing without errors I will spend days creating videos | 22:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | I wasnt trying to make fun of you | 22:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | I really liked that line | 22:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I like what your trying to do | 22:41 |
| Proteous | yeah, me too | 22:41 |
| Proteous | I will buy one... | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, nice. | 22:41 |
| * qwerty12_N810 is envious of keesj's ability to keep his N800 in a good condition | 22:43 | |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 22:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | youd be envious of me too | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | My battery latch has come full circle to plastic. | 22:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, have you got TI73 faceplate picture? | 22:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have an n800 is good condition | 22:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | though my battery is getting a little short :( | 22:44 |
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| frals | hmm | 22:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | though I know you can buy one for like thirty dollars... | 22:46 |
| EspadaV8 | oooh, lego @:-) | 22:46 |
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| keesj | Proteous: I hope to be able to replace the hammer with a avr using the IR transcievers that should bring the cost down | 22:48 |
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| GAN800 | irreco is cool but damn is it a pain to create layouts. | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, ping? | 22:52 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Yessir? | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hiya, timsamoff | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, thanks for the brightness applet. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I feel slightly less like killing myself when using FBReader. ;) | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | np :) | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ping? | 22:53 |
| timsamoff | Hi. Just checking out Xchat in Fremantle. | 22:53 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pong | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, did you see qwerty12's new applet in Extras-devel? | 22:53 |
| rm_you | no | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, lern2idle. | 22:53 |
| rm_you | did he do my job for me? :P | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: time to promote it to extras so it can become the most popular down ;) | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | load | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It only does a range of 1-5, remember... | 22:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | im hearing report of youtube stuttering on the n900 any word on this? | 22:54 |
| rm_you | oh you did that | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm still awaiting ABL :) | 22:54 |
| rm_you | yeah | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, just tear out his logic. | 22:54 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it isn't what i need | 22:54 |
| rm_you | I know how to do that | 22:54 |
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| rm_you | it was the same in Diablo | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, what are you interfacing with? | 22:54 |
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| rm_you | Gconf | 22:54 |
| rm_you | the same as the official brightness applet | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, hrm. | 22:54 |
| * timsamoff must go. Ta. | 22:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, we need at application shortcut applet. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | I need a device in front of me to figure out how to REALLY change the brightness | 22:56 |
| rm_you | also i need to beat up someone at Nokia | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, shift-fn-1/2/3/4 to switch to/open an application. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, 4 days! | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hazored hildon-desktop to do that in Diablo... | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ugly hack... | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: fremantle desktop has fairly easy key shortcuts.. src/main.c | 22:57 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, theres a shortcut in the top left of the screen in n900 | 22:57 |
| lcuk | 2 clicks to any running app | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, 2 taps minimum. | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is 1 shortcut to get exactly where I need to be. | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, saving taps for something you do this often is always useful. | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there app widgets? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | how many keypresses? | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | shift-fn-1-0 | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, two. | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since shift/fn can be pressed as one. | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | what about smartq5 that has no keys? or n800 | 22:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, they don't install the applet. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | the fremantle method works | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where does the statusbar CPU store screenshots? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | images? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | probably live from the compositor memory | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, why am I justifying this to you? :P | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, are you gonna write it? :P | 23:00 |
| lcuk | :D because its something you believe in | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i dont know about lowlevel x stuff | 23:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | i thought you left lcuk | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i have | 23:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | you have skills to both have left and still be here | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Yeah, GTFO | 23:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 23:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats is not very nice...I think that you are welcome to stay if you so choose | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | im actually trying to find a parser i wrote | 23:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont know what that is | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | but good luck | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | (I know what it means to parse greek verbs...) | 23:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | (and to a lesser extent english verbs....) | 23:04 |
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| luke-jr | ... | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | what? :P | 23:08 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 imagines Stskeeps getting the duct-tape ready | 23:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm actually ~30 cm from duct-tape. | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | heh | 23:10 |
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| Tadthebuilder | are their any extended life batteries for an n800? | 23:10 |
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| Firebird | does the wall count? | 23:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | ha funny | 23:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 23:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | I am actually very paranoid of buying a new battery | 23:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have heard horror stories | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | mugen is n800 isn't it? | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mugen's is same capacity as Nokia's | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | just looks bigger? | 23:19 |
| Firebird | I thought mugen's was N810 | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 doesn't have an extended one. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the one they advertise as higher capacity is actually the same as Nokia's | 23:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | can I buy one directly from nokia though? | 23:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would be awesome | 23:19 |
| kr1shnak | I think I am going to use my old N800 as my alarm clock | 23:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont trust most of those other providors, explosions and such. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, you can get from Nokia. | 23:20 |
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| zeev | Hi, is the release date of N900 already known ( in USA)? | 23:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | the exact date is not known | 23:21 |
| zeev | but...? | 23:21 |
| zeev | ca.? | 23:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | its supposed to be soon? | 23:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 23:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | General: have you used any other battery than the standard? | 23:21 |
| bigbrovar | zeev: the exact day is not known (.) | 23:21 |
| zeev | ok, thanks... will wait... | 23:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | just did a search for a battery and prices range from ten dollars to about 50 dollars | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, I only use Nokia, but I've seen people use other battiers. | 23:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | kk thanks man | 23:23 |
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| Tadthebuilder | found one that claims its nokia battery for 30 dollars. | 23:23 |
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| Tadthebuilder | http://www.wirelesshunt.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_17_820&products_id=1308 | 23:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | Tadthebuilder, LMAO | 23:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | hmmm? | 23:31 |
| crashanddie_ | Tadthebuilder, "List price: $25, You save: $-5: You pay: $30" | 23:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | I did not see that | 23:31 |
| Firebird | rofl | 23:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | ...makes me now want to buy it from them | 23:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | not* | 23:31 |
| Firebird | looks like some failblog material | 23:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just looking for an legitamate n800 battery..that costs 30 bucks max | 23:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | lol that is brilliant | 23:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is really funny | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | about that | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | is the minus sign | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | all of the rest of them do not have that, when they are actually saving | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | its strange...it must of either been done completely on purpose to try to trick unsuspecting people (aka me) or a program/script set to automatically do that. | 23:38 |
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| ShadowJK | Check the price of the mugen battery | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | Afaik nobody has reported explosions yet | 23:49 |
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| * ShadowJK of course recomends original nokia if you've got extra 10 bucks | 23:50 | |
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| crashanddie__ | Tadthebuilder, no, it's just stupid coding | 23:52 |
| crashanddie__ | Tadthebuilder, it's a common wording mistake in a lot of different languages actually | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah that would make sense | 23:52 |
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| crashanddie__ | Tadthebuilder, a lot of business say, "-60% off" for example | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | true | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | it says negative on that one | 23:53 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, look again. thats ripping off | 23:53 |
| crashanddie__ | but "off" already implies a reduction, so the - is unneeded | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it is actually correct | 23:53 |
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| Tadthebuilder | on the ones where it is actually subtracting the price | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | there is no negative sign | 23:53 |
| lcuk | what it is saying is correct | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 23:53 |
| lcuk | they are asking you to pay $5 MORE than the list price | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | your getting negative five dollars off | 23:53 |
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| crashanddie__ | lcuk, that's what we're discussing, you are correct | 23:54 |
| crashanddie__ | so my guess is, they actually didn't mean to do something stupid, some idiot just entered -5 instead of 5 | 23:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just want a new battery haha | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | haha | 23:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | id also spend the same amount on an n900 instead | 23:55 |
| crashanddie__ | is an aptitude score of -811 good? | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | aptitude for what? | 23:57 |
| javispedro | for installing debian packages, of course! | 23:57 |
| crashanddie__ | /usr/bin/aptitude | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh...I was thinking a military aptitude test...I was wondering why you were asking that here... | 23:58 |
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| yekcim | hi | 23:59 |
| yekcim | mikkov_: hello | 23:59 |
| yekcim | i was loonking for you | 23:59 |
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