| javispedro | symbian actually can keep more than 2 connections alive and apps are allowed to select which one "to use". | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | do you think i can enter "mms on n900" as a Push! N900project? | 00:00 |
| javispedro | however linux uses a more traditional approach | 00:00 |
| javispedro | therefore the kernel issues, unless you can get some nice solution like the ones you were discussing on the "Technical" page. | 00:01 |
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| frals|m | Asd | 00:01 |
| javispedro | to be honest, I'd get it working with linus' standard networking tools before trying anything icd2 related. | 00:02 |
| frals | that worked fine, so guess it should be fine as long as one of the iptables or similar workarounds work ;) | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | great | 00:04 |
| lcuk | frals, so you have no tablets at all? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | well, the computery kind | 00:04 |
| frals | nope | 00:05 |
| lcuk | doubly impressed then by your have a go attiture | 00:05 |
| lcuk | attitude | 00:05 |
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| frals | hehe, thanks :) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | where abouts are you | 00:05 |
| frals | .se | 00:06 |
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| * lcuk shivers | 00:06 | |
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| lcuk | one of my friends from .fi just noted it started snowing for him | 00:06 |
| lcuk | how is it your way - chill setting in? | 00:07 |
| aSIMULAter | really..no snow in helsinki | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | about 3C here | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | yeah he is in oulu - cant blame him really, it snows like 99.999999% of the year | 00:07 |
| frals | nah im in the capital of sweden so im not so far north | 00:07 |
| frals | but its pissing down outside atm | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | frals: *Gulp*. The country with Nokia's rival: Ericsson? | 00:07 |
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| frals | yeah, i guess ;) | 00:08 |
| frals | im half-finn thou, hence Nokia ;) | 00:08 |
| javispedro | Ericsson! Good grief. | 00:08 |
| * qwerty12_N810 felt guilty showing his Sony Ericsson to Jussi... | 00:08 | |
| frals | so i can get a volvo and a nokia without feeling bad with myself ;D | 00:08 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:08 |
| mavhc | qwerty12_N810: that's what the kids are calling it nowadays? | 00:09 |
| Dantonic | hey guys | 00:09 |
| frals | lol mavhc | 00:09 |
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| javispedro | do i remember seeing that hacked iphones had a non-official mms client when apple still did not allow it? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | hey Dantonic | 00:09 |
| Dantonic | do any of you use festival on the N800? | 00:09 |
| frals | i actually got a p1i here - but after a day i put it on the shelf again and went back to my trusty n95 | 00:09 |
| Dantonic | or N810? | 00:09 |
| frals | javispedro: yeah, there was 3rd party apps for mms | 00:09 |
| lcuk | whats festival? | 00:09 |
| Dantonic | the text to speech program | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mavhc: Nah, the research stuff in Sweden is still done under the Ericsson name | 00:09 |
| aSIMULAter | the finnish swedish love hate relationship is an interesting one | 00:09 |
| lcuk | its like the north south love hate relationship | 00:10 |
| javispedro | ah, another north south war. | 00:10 |
| lcuk | i love to hate qwerty | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | frals: ugh. I hate that phone, had one for a while :/ | 00:10 |
| javispedro | :P) | 00:10 |
| frals | i love the actual design of the hardware, but god the software is awful | 00:10 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, which core lib does it use | 00:10 |
| lcuk | or is festival the text->speech converter itself | 00:11 |
| * lcuk cant remember what the Push! N900 speak n spell used | 00:11 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Obviously not a northern lib - they wanted people to able to actually understand it | 00:12 |
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| Dantonic | lcuk, I just installed the "festival-multi" package from the repositories | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | idk what lib it is | 00:13 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:14 |
| lcuk | it might just be festival | 00:14 |
| lcuk | does it work | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ooops i didnt thank Yodude for his post | 00:14 |
| lcuk | should it leave him all alone :P ? :D | 00:14 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, festival | 00:15 |
| lcuk | ok VDVsx thanks :) | 00:15 |
| * lcuk pastes twitter page - any ppl i havent added yet? http://twitter.com/lcuk | 00:16 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, however the Push guys called it other name, let me check (but is festival :P) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | that might be where im remembering wrong | 00:17 |
| bobbyd_ | well, this just makes no sense, if I link the program with the EGL libs I get no output from printf, and I get this if I run it under GDB: Program exited with code 0377. | 00:18 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, flite, festival light ? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | maybe | 00:19 |
| lcuk | sounds right | 00:19 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_: strace it and paste to pastebin | 00:19 |
| bobbyd_ | VDVsx: yes, that's right | 00:19 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, does it work anyway | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | yes flite is festival light... | 00:20 |
| Dantonic | well I got it to speak | 00:20 |
| Dantonic | all the man pages talk about commands like festival option "text here" | 00:21 |
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| Dantonic | but I guess this still uses "flite" as command | 00:21 |
| Dantonic | idk | 00:21 |
| Dantonic | so from command prompt it's flite -i "text" | 00:21 |
| Dantonic | -i for interactive | 00:21 |
| Dantonic | now I'm trying johnx's hack see if it works | 00:22 |
| Dantonic | johnx | 00:22 |
| bobbyd_ | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/m687157b6 | 00:22 |
| bobbyd_ | that's just for Hello World linked with X and GLES libs | 00:23 |
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| Dantonic | what is the osso-statusbar-cpu? | 00:23 |
| bobbyd_ | Dantonic: CPU frequency? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | cpu meter | 00:25 |
| lcuk | with ability to take photos afiak | 00:25 |
| Dantonic | is it in repositories? | 00:25 |
| lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=5214 :D | 00:25 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:25 |
| lcuk | i believe so | 00:25 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_,install libgl-dev | 00:26 |
| bobbyd_ | on my host machine? | 00:26 |
| javispedro | no, on sbox target. | 00:26 |
| bobbyd_ | ok | 00:27 |
| javispedro | it seems the emu library requires the libGl.so symling | 00:27 |
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| javispedro | s/symling/symlink *sigh* | 00:27 |
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| bobbyd_ | where go you read that? I'm not used to reading strace output... | 00:27 |
| javispedro | line 236 open("/usr/lib/libGL.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 00:28 |
| bobbyd_ | ahh ok | 00:28 |
| javispedro | (and the fact I have a strace of a correct execution helps ;P ) | 00:28 |
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| Dantonic | damn cant find the package osso-statusbar-cpu | 00:40 |
| Dantonic | johnx, ! | 00:40 |
| Dantonic | help! :P | 00:40 |
| Dantonic | rescue me! | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3983725&culture=en-GB | 00:41 |
| * SpeedEvil hadn't seen this dort of phone before from nokia | 00:41 | |
| frals | saw something similiar (maybe that) when i was in the helsinki flagship store this summer, lots of looks, less features ;) | 00:42 |
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| frals | ah, reply to the mms thread *throws himself on it* | 00:49 |
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| bobbyd_ | should fakeroot work to restart things like networking in scratchbox? When I run fakeroot /etc/init.d/networking restart I get permission denied | 00:58 |
| bobbyd_ | fr some reason it can't resolve hostnames | 00:58 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_: ah, that problem is rather common these days, dunno why. | 00:59 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_: did you got the ogles sample running? | 00:59 |
| bobbyd_ | javispedro: no because I can't get the flipping package, can't find it in the repro through the web either | 01:00 |
| javispedro | "flipping package"? | 01:00 |
| bobbyd_ | javispedro: libgl-dev | 01:01 |
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| bobbyd_ | networking isn't working under scratchbox | 01:01 |
| javispedro | according to my apt, it comes from fremantle/sdk/free | 01:01 |
| bobbyd_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libg/ | 01:02 |
| tush726 | does Ubuntu 9.04 and Xephyr have any problem ? | 01:02 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_: not extras-devel. | 01:02 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_i386/libgl-dev/7.1~RC3-0maemo1-recomp1 | 01:02 |
| javispedro | there you have. | 01:02 |
| bobbyd_ | doh! | 01:03 |
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| Timpii | tush726: none that I noticed running it in VirtualBox | 01:05 |
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| tush726 | okay i have a native installation | 01:06 |
| tush726 | Xephyr is giving me problems | 01:06 |
| Timpii | what's it doing? | 01:06 |
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| tush726 | dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! | 01:08 |
| tush726 | unrecognised device identifier! | 01:08 |
| tush726 | getting this error | 01:08 |
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| Timpii | the font path part prolly doesn't matter, X tends to throw those around | 01:08 |
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| Timpii | the second line sounds a bit more grave | 01:09 |
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| lardman | libxpat or libxml, what do you reckon for parsing html (for webscraping)? | 01:09 |
| lardman | oops | 01:09 |
| javispedro | the git issue is fixed! | 01:09 |
| lardman | libexpat or libxml2 even | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | let the commits flow in! | 01:10 |
| tush726 | earlier was getting a different error | 01:10 |
| Timpii | tush726: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/48973 | 01:10 |
| Timpii | doesn't really solve the prob, but it's the same situation | 01:10 |
| * igagis encountered a problem of Gtk::Dialog::get_action_area() returning null 8-S | 01:11 | |
| tush726 | okay | 01:11 |
| bobbyd_ | javispedro: working :) | 01:11 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_, :) | 01:11 |
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| bobbyd_ | ok tomorrow I start for real | 01:12 |
| bobbyd_ | thanks | 01:12 |
| woglinde | *g* | 01:12 |
| lcuk | igagis, urg | 01:12 |
| lcuk | woglinde, :D | 01:12 |
| Timpii | tush726: is there anything else that might be useful in the output? | 01:12 |
| frals | nice, you posted it on the mailing list as well lcuk, i knew i forgot something! ;) | 01:12 |
| woglinde | so latest one piece epsiode watched | 01:12 |
| javispedro | bobbyd_: nice, hope we see your project soon :) | 01:12 |
| tush726 | nope earlier was getting an org.x.lib ... something | 01:13 |
| lcuk | lol frals | 01:13 |
| tush726 | fixed it by making changes to dbus.conf | 01:13 |
| bobbyd_ | bye | 01:13 |
| lcuk | yeah i made sure it was in as many visible places as possible :) | 01:13 |
| javispedro | cy bobbyd_ | 01:13 |
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| Timpii | hmh... I wonder what it's complaining about then. | 01:13 |
| lcuk | something like that that lots of people can feel happy getting involved in (people love solving solvable problems) is great | 01:13 |
| frals | ye :) | 01:14 |
| lcuk | el-cock? | 01:15 |
| * lcuk slaps u | 01:15 | |
| frals | i just edited it to clarify! | 01:15 |
| frals | its my finnish heritage i tell you! | 01:15 |
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| igagis | does anyone know where or whom can I ask about Gtk::Dialog::get_action_area() returning null on Fremantle? Possibly, submit a bug? I did not find where to file bugs on maemomm project page 8-S | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | what is it meant to return | 01:16 |
| frals | (i couldnt resist after qole's el-cuck ;)) | 01:17 |
| igagis | lcuk: it mean to return a pointer to HButtonBox object | 01:17 |
| igagis | lcuk: i.e. the button area of a dialog box | 01:17 |
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| frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=335545&postcount=112 that post was pretty good | 01:19 |
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| lbt | bollocks... I was just checking the arrival times - the travel agent booked my arrival flight on the wednesday! | 01:20 |
| lcuk | igagis, in py or c | 01:20 |
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| igagis | lcuk: in C++ | 01:20 |
| lcuk | if you are sure its a bug, go check the bugtracker and if no1 else, file away | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | has voting finished yet? | 01:28 |
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| javispedro | oh | 01:30 |
| javispedro | results tonight? | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, i dunno | 01:31 |
| lcuk | just wanted to make sure everyone that can vote, has | 01:31 |
| lcuk | by my count, theres 29minutes left | 01:31 |
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| penguinbait | OK, so I was mis-stating but my time was correct | 02:02 |
| lardman | night night chaps, cu all on the morrow | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, are you just rushing through last minute laws and stuff | 02:04 |
| lcuk | btw, i hope the council gets a book about what to do | 02:05 |
| lcuk | qole should be the one making it | 02:05 |
| lcuk | he had enough heartache first time | 02:05 |
| lcuk | flashed now | 02:05 |
| * lcuk gulps | 02:05 | |
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| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 02:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | shuttle's website is so damn slow | 02:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | i have to download drivers and the crappy site is taking forever | 02:07 |
| penguinbait | ditto elsie! | 02:07 |
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| * lcuk will make sure to stuff general in an uncomfortable position | 02:13 | |
| penguinbait | just stay away from his doofer | 02:15 |
| lcuk | that would imply it was big enough to find ;) | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | my doofer is the thing i had to flash earlier | 02:24 |
| lcuk | its very very important | 02:24 |
| penguinbait | who did you flash it at? | 02:25 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 02:25 |
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| MaceN8x0 | man i hope ai sends out my touchbook | 02:25 |
| MaceN8x0 | i want it already | 02:25 |
| MaceN8x0 | they are supposed tonship this week | 02:25 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, hey, don't insult my winter timezone :P, of course GMT still exist ;) | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, don't bring your timezone lies in here! | 02:26 |
| * VDVsx likes GMT :D | 02:26 | |
| lcuk | penguinbait, my sdk had a little hiccup and just suddenly stopped responding | 02:27 |
| lcuk | i needed to reflash it | 02:27 |
| penguinbait | reflash the sdk? | 02:27 |
| penguinbait | reinstall? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | and hoped to god i hadnt lost the code i'd wrote this last few days | 02:27 |
| lcuk | whatever it was needed doing | 02:27 |
| VDVsx | all this timezones talk, are you guys waiting for the result of the elections in the next hours ? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | hell yeah! | 02:28 |
| VDVsx | pffffffffff | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | dave best have his clipboard and pen | 02:28 |
| penguinbait | http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=7 | 02:28 |
| penguinbait | it should show up there after the election concludes automagically, right? | 02:28 |
| lcuk | o_O i never knew about that page | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, Dave has to run the calculations. | 02:29 |
| penguinbait | I just kept changing the ID number till I found it. ;) | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, did you even watch the video on the lcuk appreciation thread | 02:29 |
| penguinbait | I no, but the vote tokens will be displayed for checking right? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | if not, do http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32164 | 02:30 |
| penguinbait | My sound is out lcuk | 02:30 |
| lcuk | it might explain what i mean by "sdk" | 02:30 |
| lcuk | ahh that helps | 02:30 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I doubt that Dave will do it tonight, but we'll see ;) | 02:30 |
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| * VDVsx turns on the lcuk's decoder | 02:34 | |
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| lcuk | lol you just need another ass kickin | 02:34 |
| penguinbait | lol you just need another ass kickin app made by lcuk | 02:35 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, shii, I'm watching ODZ behind the scenes, part 2 | 02:35 |
| lcuk | they polished it all up quite nicely :) | 02:36 |
| lcuk | karsten is such a digital god! | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | i seriously want this sickness to go away | 02:37 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, bah, already saw it, where's part 1 :P | 02:37 |
| lcuk | MaceN8x0, :( | 02:37 |
| MaceN8x0 | i am still in awe when someone said "my gf and i were watching revolution os..." | 02:37 |
| lcuk | did you mention eureka again | 02:37 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 02:37 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 02:37 |
| MaceN8x0 | lcuk, yeah | 02:38 |
| lcuk | thought we saw last ep | 02:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | was watching the first season | 02:38 |
| lcuk | or was there more | 02:38 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool | 02:38 |
| lcuk | that was even better | 02:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | don't think it is cancelled | 02:38 |
| lcuk | i dont either | 02:38 |
| lcuk | i never did | 02:38 |
| lcuk | it just ended its series | 02:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | net 3.5 says "you may now disconnect from the internet." | 02:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | season | 02:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | series = cancelled | 02:39 |
| lcuk | its autumn | 02:39 |
| MaceN8x0 | season = more to come | 02:39 |
| lcuk | no, the series wasnt cancelled | 02:39 |
| MaceN8x0 | eureka runs off season | 02:39 |
| lcuk | it finished naturally | 02:39 |
| MaceN8x0 | new ones come out in summer not fall | 02:39 |
| lcuk | it will be back for another series next year | 02:39 |
| lcuk | i hope | 02:39 |
| frals | its another season next year | 02:40 |
| frals | 22 eps | 02:40 |
| lcuk | :D w00t | 02:40 |
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| Sargun_Screen | If I preorder an N900, when do you guys think I'll get it? | 02:45 |
| lcuk | about 2 minutes after the delivery man knocks on the door | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | heh | 02:46 |
| penguinbait | if your home | 02:46 |
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| lcuk | i know people who have n810 and who still dont get it | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Sargun_Screen: I offer an express delivery service if you ship it to me. I then guarantee delivery within 6 years at any address in the world free. | 02:47 |
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| penguinbait | two men walk into a bar | 02:47 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that sounds like a great service | 02:48 |
| frals | hmm... http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 02:48 |
| penguinbait | the third one ducks! | 02:48 |
| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: heh. | 02:48 |
| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: you seem to be everywhere. | 02:48 |
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| lcuk | frals, | 02:49 |
| lcuk | thanks reverted | 02:49 |
| lcuk | thats odd | 02:49 |
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| Sargun_Screen | I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to order one now, or wait several months | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun_Screen, what's to decide? | 02:51 |
| Sargun_Screen | GeneralAntilles: heh, Well, A) If I'll have instant gratificaction, or this will be like the Pandora project, and it'll take 2 years to ship (Ok, maybe not 2 years, but a month and a half) | 02:52 |
| lcuk | Sargun_Screen, have you not seen any of the coverage | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yeah, dunno. | 02:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | B) If it's worth waiting for them to work out the Gen 0 bugs | 02:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | lcuk: apparently not. | 02:53 |
| lcuk | good | 02:53 |
| Sargun_Screen | C) If the device turns out to be a lemon. | 02:53 |
| lcuk | save yourself from ruining clothes | 02:53 |
| lcuk | i dribbled on mine | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | My bet would be a few weeks to a month. | 02:53 |
| frals | mmm, my-symbian suppose to post a preview tonight (well, as in ~18hrs i guess), more droolage inc | 02:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, hey, block those bastards as well (wiki) ;) | 02:53 |
| Sargun_Screen | lcuk: Well, the idea of the device seems fucking awesome | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think lemon is an issue at this point. | 02:53 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, im not a docmaster | 02:53 |
| lcuk | i dont know how to do this | 02:53 |
| lcuk | but understand docmaster is a bit busy | 02:54 |
| lcuk | and GeneralAntilles is too drunk lol | 02:54 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, np, just did it ;) | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun_Screen, as for gen 0, well, this is hardware release #5 if you count the WiMAX Edition. ;) | 02:54 |
| lcuk | Sargun_Screen, the feel of the device is fucking awesome | 02:54 |
| * lcuk shakes one vigerously | 02:54 | |
| Sargun_Screen | See, I really like the size ofthe N8XX, I'm not sure if I'll like the smaller form factor. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun_Screen, everybody I know who has one says you don't notice the size difference. | 02:55 |
| frals | lcuk: take a picture of it next to an n95 and send me, pretty please? ;) | 02:55 |
| lcuk | i have no n95 | 02:55 |
| lcuk | hahaha liqflow also pulses if i type | 02:55 |
| lcuk | especially when i hit enter | 02:55 |
| frals | well.. im sure someone in your town got one! ;) | 02:55 |
| lcuk | not anyone that i know | 02:56 |
| lcuk | i dont think | 02:56 |
| frals | doh | 02:56 |
| Sargun_Screen | GeneralAntilles: developer samples already came up? | 02:56 |
| lcuk | Sargun_Screen, its been on the street | 02:56 |
| lcuk | general public have played with it | 02:56 |
| Sargun_Screen | lcuwhen? | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun_Screen, they're available for fondling in some flagship stores. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia has also seeded a few. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just ask el-cuck, the whore. | 02:57 |
| lcuk | park 1 and 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGHk4Aau438 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2DGq13k8w | 02:57 |
| lcuk | part even | 02:57 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, you asked where it was | 02:57 |
| Sargun_Screen | Does it come with the soft sleeeve like the N810? | 02:57 |
| frals | im still thinking about getting my gf on one of them cruises to helsinki so i can go play with the n900 at the flagship store there... | 02:57 |
| lcuk | i dunno i have never had a consumer box | 02:57 |
| frals | but i recon its not really worth ~100€ to do it :D | 02:57 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, thanks, already checked, part 1 is quite old :P | 02:58 |
| Sargun_Screen | frals: Damn you europeans! | 02:58 |
| penguinbait | Sep. 28, 23:59:00 UTCUniversal Time | 02:59 |
| frals | you are 10 seconds ahead mr penguinbait! | 02:59 |
| lcuk | the day skynet came active | 02:59 |
| Sargun_Screen | Mon Sep 28 16:59:40 PDT 2009 | 02:59 |
| frals | Sargun_Screen: i think the chicago flagship store is getting one as well | 02:59 |
| lcuk | good luck penguinbait | 02:59 |
| Sargun_Screen | frals: I'm near SFO. | 02:59 |
| penguinbait | you too | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | and to all the candidates | 03:00 |
| * lcuk downloads slysics | 03:00 | |
| lcuk | indeed | 03:00 |
| frals | not my fault your country is huge! ;) | 03:00 |
| derf | lcuk: That's August, fookio. | 03:00 |
| lcuk | i dunno where they are tho | 03:00 |
| lcuk | doh! | 03:00 |
| lcuk | im late for everything | 03:00 |
| Sargun_Screen | frals: -_- | 03:00 |
| derf | It was also in 1997. | 03:00 |
| Empero | any ideas where I would get best price for n900 in canada? | 03:00 |
| lcuk | see! damned timezones | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | its over | 03:01 |
| lcuk | a shop | 03:01 |
| Empero | amazon.com has a good price but only ships to usa addresses | 03:01 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Empero: Get a PO box in the states. | 03:01 |
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| lcuk | Empero, i believe SpeedEvil is offering a good service | 03:01 |
| Empero | Sargun_Screen, yeah or via a friend, sure | 03:01 |
| Sargun_Screen | Empero: you know, you have to pay duty though? | 03:02 |
| Empero | yeah, I guess so | 03:03 |
| Empero | that's why I was asking for canadian stores | 03:03 |
| lcuk | can someone find out why slysics isnt available in fremantle please | 03:03 |
| Empero | no hassle with the border crossing | 03:03 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/slysics/ | 03:03 |
| lcuk | its here | 03:03 |
| lcuk | but i cant see it in app list | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | i know thats 2008 | 03:04 |
| lcuk | but lots of apps should just compile and sorta work | 03:04 |
| Sargun_Screen | sort of work? | 03:04 |
| lcuk | so when pushing to autobuilder tick the fremantle and try anyway | 03:04 |
| Sargun_Screen | isn't this gunna be like OS2010? | 03:04 |
| lcuk | Sargun_Screen, a few tweaks are needed | 03:04 |
| lcuk | but well written os2008 apps appear to "just work" on the whole | 03:05 |
| lcuk | need things like menuclasses switching over for gtk stuff | 03:05 |
| lcuk | and certain things adding/removing/tweaking from the makefile | 03:05 |
| lcuk | errr postinst | 03:05 |
| lcuk | sorry | 03:05 |
| * lcuk wants to try and play linerider | 03:06 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles drops his signatures. | 03:07 | |
| Sargun_Screen | Ok, I just bought one on Amazon | 03:08 |
| Sargun_Screen | meep, too much monies, too much latency | 03:09 |
| Empero | hoho | 03:09 |
| frals | alright, time to crash.. good luck to everyone running in the election and thanks for all the help with lobbying for a solution for MMS :) | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | frals, thanks for your help :) | 03:15 |
| lcuk | gnite | 03:15 |
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| angasule | meow | 03:16 |
| FireFox16 | .... | 03:17 |
| lcuk | angasule, are you male or female pussy? | 03:17 |
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| FireFox16 | rofl | 03:17 |
| FireFox16 | xDD | 03:17 |
| Sargun_Screen | Ok, if my N900 doesn't get here by Oct 2, I'll be -_- | 03:17 |
| * lcuk shakes his n900 + u | 03:17 | |
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| lcuk | @ even | 03:18 |
| FireFox16 | xP | 03:18 |
| * Sargun_Screen -_- @ lcuk | 03:18 | |
| angasule | lcuk: I think everybody in here hates you, except the others we also hate :) | 03:18 |
| * FireFox16 snatches the n900 and runs | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | :O | 03:18 |
| * FireFox16 gives it back, just teasing ;) | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | FireFox16, its ok, you took my 770 | 03:18 |
| lcuk | retro cool (H) | 03:19 |
| FireFox16 | xDDDDDDDDDDDD | 03:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | The N770 is retro? | 03:19 |
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| lcuk | angasule, why on earth am i hated | 03:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | Well, My Laptop + N900 + Palm Pre = Awesome. | 03:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | I'll have an unstoppable force of gadgets. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | what res is palm pre | 03:19 |
| angasule | lcuk: do you have an N900? | 03:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | Now, all I need is a bluetooth router. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | and can you run c code on it? | 03:19 |
| Sargun_Screen | to network 'em all. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | or python | 03:19 |
| lcuk | or c++ | 03:19 |
| angasule | or cobol | 03:20 |
| lcuk | or any other language other than javascript | 03:20 |
| FireFox16 | angasule: for development reasons | 03:20 |
| lcuk | no | 03:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | lcuk: ....yes it can run C, Python, ASM even | 03:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/palm-pre-runs-doom-smartphone-loving-space-marines-rejoyce/ | 03:20 |
| lcuk | i thought in the webos you had html | 03:20 |
| Sargun_Screen | I thought that there were aspiring hackers everythwere. | 03:20 |
| lcuk | what res is the hardware | 03:21 |
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| FireFox16 | lcuk: you can take advantage of directfb in webos ;) | 03:22 |
| lcuk | and i notice they arent pushing 3d caps yet | 03:22 |
| Sargun_Screen | 480x320 | 03:22 |
| Sargun_Screen | Ok, gunna walk out of the train | 03:22 |
| lcuk | hard screen res? | 03:22 |
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| angasule | Sargun_Screen: umh, but you have to jailbreak it or something? | 03:22 |
| lcuk | yikes | 03:22 |
| angasule | Sargun_Screen: wait till it stops! | 03:22 |
| FireFox16 | (root it) | 03:22 |
| FireFox16 | itś not that hard | 03:23 |
| angasule | FireFox16: still, not the same as N900 :) | 03:23 |
| lcuk | its a hacked phone usable on the network | 03:23 |
| lcuk | errr rooted | 03:23 |
| FireFox16 | yup | 03:23 |
| FireFox16 | kinda | 03:23 |
| lcuk | can you make apps for webos which talk to apps in the backend | 03:23 |
| FireFox16 | yes | 03:23 |
| lcuk | good | 03:23 |
| lcuk | full api or just calling binaries? | 03:24 |
| FireFox16 | you can port liqbase to it xD | 03:24 |
| lcuk | only with xv | 03:24 |
| lcuk | i need YUV video for now | 03:24 |
| FireFox16 | full api i think | 03:24 |
| lcuk | but im looking at options | 03:24 |
| lcuk | powervr is one | 03:24 |
| lcuk | how do you break out of html sandbox | 03:24 |
| angasule | with a tiny pickaxe | 03:24 |
| lcuk | sounds like an insecure engine | 03:24 |
| FireFox16 | by installing a terminal app | 03:25 |
| lcuk | html and backend usually never meet | 03:25 |
| lcuk | still | 03:25 |
| lcuk | at least now i understand why these things run so fast | 03:25 |
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| lcuk | they are doing a lot less work per frame than my 810 ever did | 03:26 |
| penguinbait | hey lcuk, I sent you a private message on itt | 03:26 |
| penguinbait | tmo | 03:26 |
| penguinbait | whatever | 03:26 |
| FireFox16 | hay penguinbait :D | 03:27 |
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| * FireFox16 is b-man | 03:27 | |
| penguinbait | ah | 03:27 |
| penguinbait | hey bman | 03:27 |
| FireFox16 | what have you been up to? :) | 03:28 |
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| * FireFox16 grabs some coffee | 03:28 | |
| penguinbait | wishing for hardware, you? | 03:30 |
| penguinbait | and counting votes | 03:30 |
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| FireFox16 | iḿ mostly playing around with Mer 0.16 in VMware | 03:32 |
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| FireFox16 | penguinbait: wishing for the N900? eh? xD | 03:33 |
| penguinbait | pandora, n900, something from outerspace, a monkey | 03:33 |
| penguinbait | ?? | 03:33 |
| penguinbait | something | 03:33 |
| FireFox16 | iĺl probably be getting one soon | 03:34 |
| FireFox16 | (N900) | 03:34 |
| penguinbait | waiting for some carriers, to see what happens | 03:35 |
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| FireFox16 | im getting mine unlocked | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Half the apartment is on one 15 amp circuit. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | A | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | we | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | som | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | e. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was cool. | 03:47 |
| FireFox16 | xD | 03:48 |
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| zerojay | wjt: Ping? | 04:26 |
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| zerojay | Sargun_Screen: You're not getting your tablet by Oct 2nd, promise. | 04:27 |
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| fiferboy | Anyone want to install and test countdown-home from extras-testing? | 04:33 |
| fiferboy | And hopefully comment and thumbs-up on maemo.org/packages? | 04:33 |
| zerojay | I'll give it a shot. | 04:33 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, I tested it (sbox of course :P) | 04:34 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: Thanks! | 04:34 |
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| fiferboy | VDVsx: What did you think? | 04:35 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, I didn't tried to customize it, my only complaint are the fonts/color of the events strings, I can't saw the events clearly with a darker background (probably I can change it) | 04:39 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, updating to 0.5-8.. | 04:41 |
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| jaybomb | Anyone have experience with Ovi maps on an actual device? I ask because in the demo videos I've seen, it always seems to take half a minute to open. Why is that exactly? | 04:46 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, nice color chooser ;) | 04:47 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: It is a work in progress, but hopefully workable | 04:48 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, it's quite good IMO :) | 04:48 |
| fiferboy | Thanks! | 04:49 |
| VDVsx | just solve my problem, changing the widget background | 04:50 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, what about a real countdown option ? (a counter instead of the text) | 04:51 |
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| zerojay | jaybomb: It's loading up a lot of data, most likely. | 04:52 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Good idea. I was going to say the same thing. | 04:52 |
| VDVsx | a counter puts more pressure in the user :P | 04:53 |
| fiferboy | You mean like a flip clock? | 04:54 |
| lcuk | this is not for taking anywhere and should not actually be made: | 04:54 |
| lcuk | but for a real countdown timer, it should be skinned like a bomb | 04:54 |
| jaybomb | zerojay: Does that mean the maps are located on the device? | 04:54 |
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| zerojay | jaybomb: I believe they first have to be downloaded. I think they're cached. | 04:56 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, like 1 min left -> 00:01:23 for e.g | 04:56 |
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| fiferboy | Ah, I think I get it | 04:57 |
| jaybomb | That's a nice feature. Still, seems like a long time to wait for an app to open. :) | 04:57 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, this way the user can choose how the countdown is displayed | 04:57 |
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| zerojay | jaybomb: Not that big of a deal.. you can always switch to something else to wait it out. | 04:58 |
| jaybomb | It's not a deal breaker for me. I wonder if the opening dialogue screen with something other than a black screen that says "maps" would make it appear more ... graceful. | 04:59 |
| pupnik | are there any possible tricks for getting python / pygtk things to start faster? | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | about 2 seconds without feedback is as much as most people expect nowadays | 05:02 |
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| zerojay | There was something in Diablo for that... can't remember the name. | 05:02 |
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| jaybomb | If the maps are cached, does that mean they will work without a data connection? That was my assumption anyway. | 05:07 |
| zerojay | fiferboy: Good stuff. I voted you up. | 05:07 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: :D | 05:07 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, your packages only depends on libc ? o_0 | 05:08 |
| zerojay | fiferboy: If you're looking for another small project you might be able to sink your teeth into, I've got an idea. | 05:08 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: Yes, it seems the builddeps are correct but the install deps are somewhat missing :| | 05:08 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: Hit me | 05:09 |
| zerojay | fiferboy: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/make_cellular_data_stats_easier_for_users_to_find/ | 05:09 |
| zerojay | Solution #1 in particular. | 05:09 |
| VDVsx | fiferboy, + 1 for that | 05:11 |
| zerojay | I'd do it myself but technically speaking, all programming work I do becomes property of my employer, so... | 05:12 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: That is a bit of a blocker | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | MaceN8x0, catching up on the second half of season 3 now. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | S | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | t | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | up | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | id | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 05:13 |
| zerojay | Just a tiny bit, even with my employer being as relaxed as they generally are about this sort of thing. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid writer's strike. | 05:13 |
| zerojay | I work with a writer that went through with the picketing and all that. | 05:13 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: That one would be pretty tricky to test in scratchbox | 05:14 |
| zerojay | Turns out he was still able to work without being a scab though. Just had to work for some specific companies that already had deals or something like that. | 05:14 |
| zerojay | Well.. just an idea. :) | 05:15 |
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| fiferboy | zerojay: I'll probably give it a go, looks simple and useful | 05:16 |
| zerojay | Honestly, I'm dying for it. | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Also an option to 'ping' or make a configured noise every 100/500K/... | 05:17 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: I assume it would be useful to be able to reset the accumulation periodically? | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm in the process of implementing a little graph thingy for my own network use. | 05:18 |
| zerojay | What could be done is clicking upon the widget could bring up the data counters dialog box with the Reset button... same one used by Control Panel. | 05:18 |
| zerojay | Having a button on the widget to reset is something I consider A Very Bad Thing. | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Including such things as making noise when a given amount is transferred, and lower thresholds if the laptop isn't in use. | 05:19 |
| zerojay | Maybe through the widget configuration. | 05:19 |
| fiferboy | A reset would usually have a confirmation dialog | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | or a reset but a way to get to past graphs and counters | 05:20 |
| zerojay | You'd think, but apparently not. :/ | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | This however seems like a fundamentally simpler first cut. | 05:20 |
| zerojay | I'd prefer something simple at first.. no need for graphs or anything fancy. More important that it could be potentially ready for N900 sales release. | 05:21 |
| zerojay | Then come the whiz-bang cool shit. ;) | 05:21 |
| zerojay | Wouldn't even be a big deal if it wasn't so buried and hard to find. | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder how tricky it would be to jam munin into a pretty wrapper | 05:22 |
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| VDVsx | fiferboy, if you need more testing, poke me, I'm happy to help ;) | 05:30 |
| VDVsx | gnite | 05:30 |
| fiferboy | VDVsx: Thanks! | 05:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | zerojay: where in the world are you? | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | oh, canada. | 05:31 |
| zerojay | Yes, good ole .ca. | 05:31 |
| fiferboy | SpeedEvil: Is that a pun on the national anthem? | 05:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | fifer: actually not. | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I realised immedately after I typed it of course. | 05:47 |
| penguinbait | I don't care if you lick windows, take the special bus or occasionally pee on yourself. You hang in there, sunshine – you're friggin' special. | 05:48 |
| zerojay | I know. :) | 05:49 |
| zerojay | Mommy says so. | 05:49 |
| penguinbait | believe her ;) | 05:54 |
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| penguinbait | and that goes for the rest of you all too | 06:18 |
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| vladovg | hi | 06:47 |
| vladovg | some one | 06:47 |
| vladovg | have a problem with some packiges | 06:48 |
| vladovg | traing to remove | 06:48 |
| vladovg | :) | 06:48 |
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| Sargun | Ok, so I preordered the N900. If I wait at my door step, will it get here faster? | 07:38 |
| Sargun | What about a hunger strike? | 07:38 |
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| Sargun | Delivery estimate: We need a little more time to provide you with a good estimate. We'll notify you via e-mail as soon as we have an estimated delivery date. You can cancel at any time. | 07:46 |
| Sargun | :-( | 07:46 |
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| MikaT | Sargun: Congratulations, good choice! | 08:15 |
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| tigert | morning | 08:25 |
| Sargun | MikaT, are you the devil on my shoulder? | 08:25 |
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| * MikaT is a non-devil. | 08:31 | |
| MikaT | Sargun: Naah, not a devil, I just would like to see that nice device in stores finally. | 08:32 |
| * Sargun is going to twiddle his thumbs until it arrives | 08:32 | |
| johnx | won't have any thumbs by the the it gets there | 08:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 09:24 |
| Myrtti | MNÖÖ | 09:24 |
| * Jaffa must remember to change his sig once dneary posts the election results | 09:24 | |
| Jaffa | Looks like a good turnout | 09:24 |
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| * RST38h moos triumpantly | 10:04 | |
| Stskeeps | what'd you win over? | 10:05 |
| RST38h | Sts: Fremantle | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:05 |
| RST38h | Sts: Pretty much ready for extras-testing | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | yay | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | wb _BuBU | 10:10 |
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| _BuBU | thx Stkskeeps :) | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morning dneary | 10:14 |
| dneary | Morning Stskeeps | 10:14 |
| dneary | I suppose you want the results? | 10:14 |
| dneary | Niels has them, they should be online soon | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, wasn't why i said morning but yeah, eventually :) | 10:15 |
| RST38h | dneary: So, who won? | 10:16 |
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| dneary | RST38h: I wouldn't want to ruin the suspense... | 10:17 |
| dneary | I will say it was cut & dried - no one-vote differences in transfers, no person getting elected off transfers from another candidate, etc | 10:18 |
| * RST38h is stupid and does not understand what dneary is talking about =) | 10:19 | |
| * Myrtti smacks RST38h | 10:19 | |
| Myrtti | pay attention :-P | 10:19 |
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| dneary | RST38h: STV can give interesting situations for strategy, voting pacts and so on | 10:20 |
| dneary | Say there are 3 candidates, and one seat | 10:20 |
| dneary | One candidate gets 40% of the vote, and the other two get 31% and 29% | 10:20 |
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| dneary | The two candidates who came second and third have an election pact, so that the guy with 29% has asked his voters to vote for the 31% guy in second place, and most of them did so | 10:21 |
| dneary | By taking 80% of 29%'s transfers, 31% moves up to 53% and wins the election | 10:22 |
| Sargun | Is this a bad math problem? | 10:22 |
| dneary | Sargun: No | 10:22 |
| RST38h | He just implies that you should off the other two candidates and dump bodies into some river | 10:22 |
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| Sargun | RST38h, agreed. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | That will fix the math for sure | 10:22 |
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| Macer | i feel kind of dirty running 32bit xp on this core2duo | 10:36 |
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| Macer | even though i doubt there is much to gain by running a 64bit os on it | 10:36 |
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| iPhone | my iPhone is the best | 10:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:41 |
| iPhone | <3 | 10:41 |
| alterego | You must have an 8th generation iphone that no one knows about .. | 10:41 |
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| Macer | the iphone GX? | 10:44 |
| Macer | (because X is cool) | 10:44 |
| alterego | :) | 10:44 |
| iPhone | Yeah, but in iPhone i can send MMS what i can't do it in N900 | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | and how long did it take for it to get MMS support again? :) | 10:45 |
| MaceN8x0 | with pictures! | 10:45 |
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| MaceN8x0 | iphone...now with video! | 10:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 10:46 |
| Myrtti | N900 can do multitasking with all apps :-P | 10:46 |
| alterego | MMS is a con. | 10:46 |
| Myrtti | it has it's uses | 10:46 |
| alterego | Email is much better. | 10:46 |
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| alterego | Mainly, because I have to pay a crap load to send an MMS, but my internet is inclusive and unlimited. | 10:46 |
| alterego | I know, I don't get it either .. | 10:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | hahaha | 10:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | has anybody seen the last episode of house? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, and don't spoil it | 10:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | with the video game? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | will watch tonight | 10:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | lol | 10:47 |
| alterego | No, I've not seen any of this series so don't spoil it :P | 10:47 |
| alterego | I'm downloading the pilot as we speak. | 10:49 |
| alterego | Got quite a bit of TV to catch up on, never had this problem when I Was single :P | 10:49 |
| MaceN8x0 | i want to play that game | 10:49 |
| iPhone | How meny app is to Nokia? | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | iPhone: if you're trying to troll, investing in your spelling skills may be a better choice first | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | iPhone: so how did you manage the weather yesterday? was a bit rainy and stormy | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | iPhone: perhaps this year the weather won't surprise car people | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | it was a bit dreary here in Pirkanmaa | 10:52 |
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| johnx | iPhone, Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter | 10:52 |
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| Myrtti | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 10:54 |
| johnx | does that mean I win? | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=83.145.237.176 | 10:55 |
| johnx | also, did you actually know him/her/it? | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | johnx: just looked at his realname and geoip'd it | 10:55 |
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| Sargun | Does anyone actually know when the N900 is going to shit? | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | Sargun: huh? | 10:56 |
| Sargun | Myrtti, I can't find any concrete info on the N900's ship date. | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | oh, SHIP | 10:56 |
| Sargun | erm, oh, not shit, ship. | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | roight :-D | 10:56 |
| johnx | Sargun, shitting hasn't been officially announced as an out-of-the-box feature, but it's suspected that 3rd party devs will start on that as soon as it ships in october (or possibly early november) | 10:57 |
| Sargun | haha | 10:57 |
| Sargun | johnx, http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png | 10:58 |
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| Sargun | johnx, eh, eh? | 11:01 |
| johnx | pretty good :) | 11:02 |
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| johnx | oh, you mean october/november? | 11:02 |
| Sargun | yeah. | 11:02 |
| johnx | I'm just repeating what people are talking about on talk.m.o | 11:02 |
| johnx | different people are saying different stores are reporting different ship dates on different days | 11:03 |
| Sargun | -_- | 11:03 |
| johnx | I expect something a little more solid may show up at the summit | 11:03 |
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| Proteous | yeah, this n900 diaria is getting messy | 11:05 |
| Proteous | we need the solid shit now | 11:05 |
| Corsac | ooh, it's back on oct 22 | 11:05 |
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| johnx | with the ship date randomness, the date is gonna jump to Sept 3rd eventually by random chance and everyone will have been playing with it for months | 11:06 |
| Proteous | lol | 11:06 |
| Sargun | nasty stretched out video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qR0Uke2XNI | 11:07 |
| Sargun | This is Blasphemy, this is madness! | 11:07 |
| Sargun | (in reference to the changing of ship dates) | 11:07 |
| Sargun | I feel like I could express many of my thoughts by pulling random images, texts, audio, and video from the internet/history | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | goatse.cx over and over again? :P | 11:09 |
| Sargun | Stskeeps, -_- | 11:09 |
| Sargun | ?_? | 11:09 |
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| Sargun_Screen | ?_? | 11:10 |
| Sargun_Screen | ermm, stupid unicode | 11:10 |
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| Sargun | did anyone see the look of disapproval? | 11:10 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hm | 11:22 |
| MaceN8x0 | that house episode kind of sucked | 11:22 |
| * MaceN8x0 moves onto castle | 11:23 | |
| MaceN8x0 | nicki heat haha | 11:24 |
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| wjt | zerojay: yo | 11:27 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hm | 11:39 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hahaha | 11:39 |
| MaceN8x0 | castle is so damn funny | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | milos_: are we all going to hell? | 12:06 |
| milos_ | Stskeeps: nope hehe | 12:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well, I'm up for a road trip | 12:06 |
| * Jaffa sad for sjgadsby. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride :-( | 12:07 | |
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| lcuk | jaffa, hes lucky - so are you and i actually - those community pimped uniforms look scary ;) | 12:13 |
| lcuk | bridezilla would be proud lol | 12:13 |
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| tigert | lcuk: awesome vid about the onedotzero stuff :) | 12:18 |
| woglinde | morning lcuk | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | tigert, awesome experience :) | 12:21 |
| tigert | lcuk: no doubt :) | 12:21 |
| tigert | sweet | 12:21 |
| lcuk | n900 works so well | 12:21 |
| woglinde | hm namedtuples in python | 12:21 |
| lcuk | mornin woglinde | 12:21 |
| * lcuk now needs to find a job tho | 12:21 | |
| woglinde | lcuk hm | 12:22 |
| woglinde | why you dont find one? | 12:22 |
| lcuk | long story | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: ping? | 12:26 |
| lcuk | but after tomorrow im out of work | 12:26 |
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| frals | hmm, only being able to define one APN seems like a serious flaw in the sw | 12:28 |
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| hanno | Hello. A question about the N900 - does it come with a video telephony app that is using the front cam? (The nokia page's device specs don't even seem to mention the front cam...) | 12:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: pong! | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: You can start to upload to fremantle extras-devel incoming-nonfree. | 12:32 |
| RST38h | hanno: Will be eventually used for messaging, afaik | 12:32 |
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| johnx | hanno, almost certainly, given that the n800/n810 had such an app for SIP (provided by Nokia) and an app for Gizmo (provided by Gizmo) | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Processing is not working yet, but then I have something to test with ;) | 12:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Acknowledged. Will try tonight =) | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: so it is not nonfree but incoming-nonfree??? | 12:32 |
| hanno | but it's confirmed that the N900 has a highres cam on its back and a lores cam on its front? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Just like for diablo and chinook. | 12:33 |
| * RST38h remembers uploading to just "nonfree"... Weird | 12:33 | |
| alterego | "lores"? Low res? | 12:33 |
| RST38h | hanno; Yes. | 12:33 |
| hanno | Yes, lowres, sorry. | 12:33 |
| alterego | hanno: o if so, ues. | 12:33 |
| hanno | ues? | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#.22non-free.22_packages | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But only extras-devel for now. | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Instructions will be updated later. | 12:35 |
| hanno | 2nd question: N900 needs to be recharged after one day of use. Confirmed? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | with how much you would play with it, that seems fair.. | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | hanno: which smarthphone doesn't? :) | 12:38 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Understood. How long before -testing? | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | lol, I can't type. | 12:38 |
| frals | if it lasts the rumoured ~12hrs with wlan im a happy panda, im used to be dead after a few hrs with wlan on :p | 12:38 |
| RST38h | hanno; This is what witnesses said | 12:39 |
| * hanno considers buying the N900 for his wife and himself. Wife needs waf-complient hardware. | 12:39 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Depends on other things, can't say atm. | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Ack. | 12:39 |
| * RST38h read this as "lasts 12hrs with wlan in a happy panda" | 12:39 | |
| frals | lcuk; did you manage to scratch the onedotzero n900 easily? or did the my-symbian device get an older screen? | 12:39 |
| frals | :D | 12:39 |
| Captain_Picard | hanno: your wife probally wants a diamond ring insteead | 12:39 |
| Captain_Picard | for wedidng present | 12:39 |
| Captain_Picard | n900 wont fit on the ring finger. | 12:40 |
| lcuk | frals, mmm scratch? | 12:40 |
| frals | uh, scratch the display* | 12:40 |
| lcuk | frals, mmm scratch? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm, how far away is karmic again? | 12:40 |
| frals | i take that as a no then! ;) | 12:41 |
| frals | Captain_Picard: depends on how big your fingers are | 12:41 |
| hanno | She isn't the diamond ring type and she married a nerd on purpose. | 12:41 |
| lcuk | well if you mean scratch as in "oh crap, n900 + keys in pocket is bad", no i keep my n900 in pocket with keys | 12:41 |
| frals | " got the device without any protective case and the display got some awful scratches in just one day, and that's only because some sand grains got into the pocket I kept it in." | 12:42 |
| lcuk | o_O | 12:42 |
| frals | im going with him having a crappy old screen then | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | The resistive touchscreen cover is a thin layer of plastic. | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | A moment | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone not using a screen protector is rather silly | 12:43 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://www.n97geeks.com/General/nokia-n97-stress-test.html | 12:43 |
| RST38h | frals: same url | 12:44 |
| RST38h | (mind you it is N97 not N900, so your mileage may vary) | 12:44 |
| frals | yeah, i saw some youtube video where they went to town with key/coin and something more and didnt manage to scratch it at all - im hoping its the same protective coating on the n900 | 12:44 |
| frals | ah yeah its that vid :) | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | key sharpness varies lots | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | the actual thing I'd be worried about more with keys isn't scratches, it's breaking the screen | 12:46 |
| frals | i doubt ill fit keys in the same pocket as my n900 anyway o_O | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen is a ~0.5mm thick bit of glass on the front | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | with maybe a 1mm bit of glass behind it | 12:46 |
| RST38h | A UK prison computer system was left in lockdown after jail bosses gave a convicted cybercriminal the task of reprogramming it | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | if you press it with a small object, it risks cracking | 12:46 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil,frals: Gentlemen, simply carry it in a clean pocket and it will be ok | 12:47 |
| johnx | RST38h++ | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you sit on it. | 12:47 |
| RST38h | We have got 5800 in the family, it took an effort to damage the screen | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | N900 - not for hobos | 12:47 |
| frals | yeah, thats what i figured | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Sitting probably won't do a thing | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | or accidentally bump it | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Unless you have got a stinger back there | 12:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, how did you find out my secret? *bzzzz* | 12:47 |
| frals | was just curious how the touchscreens stack up to the old nokia displays, as the "sand in pocket" sounded very silly from that pov | 12:48 |
| RST38h | johnx: <scary> | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | frals: Sand will damage most gadgets, sorry | 12:48 |
| RST38h | frals: People use sand to polish steel | 12:49 |
| frals | well, im not walking around with half a beach in my pockets :) | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And a screen protector means you can simply pull the protector and replace. | 12:49 |
| RST38h | frals: any amount will do | 12:49 |
| * johnx has sand under the screens of both zaurii, but his n800 escaped that fate | 12:49 | |
| * RST38h will wait for cases and screen protectors made specifically for N900 =) | 12:50 | |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, which doesn't matter at all if the more likely scenario happens where it ends up behind the front layer of the screen anyways | 12:50 |
| frals | not manage to mess up any of my previous phones due to sand in pocket so i hope ill be fine ;) | 12:50 |
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| h4rd | PING 1254235856 | 12:50 |
| johnx | hi h4rd | 12:51 |
| Corsac | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/29/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxxvi-nokia-n900-rip-shows-no-trad/ aha | 12:51 |
| h4rd | hi, sorry for that | 12:52 |
| johnx | no worries :) guess I should have said "pong" | 12:52 |
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| h4rd | maybe a ping from Brazil could be better accepted :) | 12:54 |
| hanno | Does anybody know the expected fees for using Nokia's navigation software on N900? | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, grit is the worst thing | 13:00 |
| lcuk | 1 tiny little grain caught under stylus can ruin anything | 13:01 |
| lcuk | :'( | 13:01 |
| lcuk | i hate the feeling as well when your stylus goes from fullspeed to digging a trench, my 810 had one | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, know that feeling. | 13:02 |
| * SpeedEvil looks a the booklet 3g. | 13:02 | |
| * SpeedEvil stabs windows tax. | 13:02 | |
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| * hanno found prices for Nokia navigation - but list is puzzling: http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/maps/prices_and_coverage | 13:03 | |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, dell mini 10v | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: I like the metal case. | 13:04 |
| johnx | hp mini 21xx | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: I really want a replacement for my toshiba portege 3110ct, and this is the closest I've seen. | 13:04 |
| johnx | hanno, not sure if you can extrapolate prices for maemo stuff from symbian stuff... | 13:05 |
| hanno | pricing seemed to be device-independent. | 13:05 |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, just don't pretend to yourself that the booklet is something different than an expensive netbook | 13:05 |
| inz | Corsac, wow that thing boots fast | 13:06 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, crossover between fingertouching and sometimes stylus makes this more troublesome - at least before most of the time i could keep a pristine screen and clean stylus - now every time i draw im cutting through grimy fingerprints | 13:06 |
| * lcuk is pleased he doesnt have to press to write :) | 13:06 | |
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| frals | reading the my-symbian preview was a mistake - now i want the damn thing even more. :( | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: I would prefer some things to be different about it - but I've been using small laptops for a long time, and find them convenient. (though I'm not going to be able to afford it). | 13:12 |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, I totally agree. I'm still kicking myself for not bying a thinkpad S31 when I had the chance | 13:13 |
| Corsac | S31? | 13:13 |
| johnx | all I'm saying is you need to make sure you aren't lumping the booklet in a higher class just because it's more expensive | 13:13 |
| Corsac | (I just sold an X31 :) | 13:14 |
| johnx | that looked nice too | 13:14 |
| johnx | but this was a little different | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: It depends - if the metal case actually makes it more robust - it did with my 3110ct - ... | 13:14 |
| johnx | hp mini 21xx | 13:14 |
| * SpeedEvil has a x60s ATM - from ebay. It's OK. | 13:14 | |
| johnx | did you look at it? | 13:14 |
| * SpeedEvil is trying to avoid looking at shiny stuff - I've got no budget for it for the next several months at least. | 13:16 | |
| johnx | I pointed at it cause it's a 1) metal 2) netbook 3) far cheaper than the booklet | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't seen the price of the booklet | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Both prices are regrettably unimportant though. | 13:17 |
| * Corsac is waiting for his touchbook | 13:17 | |
| johnx | I've heard $799 for the booklet, and seems ~$400 for the hp 2140 | 13:17 |
| johnx | and I know the feeling WRT money :) | 13:17 |
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| johnx | (all USD, not that helpful to everyone here at this hour) | 13:18 |
| johnx | for reference: Thinkpad S31: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:S31 | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that's damn close to what I want | 13:19 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X31 (I loved it) | 13:20 |
| johnx | I'm such an idiot for not picking when up when I had a chance :| | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | unavailable on ebay | 13:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | here at least | 13:21 |
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| johnx | yeah, not available in the EU or US | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got the x60s - which is sort of like a slimmed down x31 | 13:21 |
| johnx | yeah | 13:21 |
| johnx | the x200 looks really nice for me | 13:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish there were 4:3 laptops | 13:22 |
| johnx | I'm more flexible about carrying a little more wait to have some serious CPU power | 13:22 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: I wish that too | 13:22 |
| johnx | as long as 4 terms fit on a screen I could care less | 13:22 |
| Corsac | I love my t61 | 13:22 |
| Corsac | crying for the time it'll be gone :( | 13:22 |
| Corsac | t400s look nice but 1440×900 on a 14" in just not enough | 13:23 |
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| johnx | strangely, pointing devices are what I'm most picky about | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I like trackpoints. | 13:24 |
| johnx | me too | 13:24 |
| Corsac | me too | 13:24 |
| johnx | or a really nice, roomy touchpad | 13:24 |
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| johnx | the macbook thinkpad is really the only one I've been able to actually enjoy | 13:25 |
| johnx | s/thinkpad/touchpad/ | 13:25 |
| infobot | johnx meant: the macbook touchpad is really the only one I've been able to actually enjoy | 13:25 |
| johnx | and that means I'm sleep typing again :) | 13:25 |
| * johnx heads to bed | 13:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | night | 13:26 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, you need to put your superhero pants on already and get in the room allocation thread! | 13:26 |
| lcuk | gnite johnx | 13:26 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, done, but I don't have most of the 'details' atm, can help much | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | *can't | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: What details do you want? ;-) | 13:28 |
| * lcuk laughs asjaffa emails a 40000000 page document | 13:28 | |
| * lcuk is actually quite relieved right now ;) | 13:28 | |
| zerojay | wjt: Found the account plugins yesterday. Great stuff. Any chance you can start using /opt? | 13:29 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, the list of sponsored participants that will stay at the hotel, if possible ;) | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: My starting point would be "anyone who has put Shared/Single in 'Who Needs A Room?'" but doesn't have a hotel listed elsewhere | 13:30 |
| * Stskeeps wonders who ends up as council chair | 13:30 | |
| zerojay | wjt: As per http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 13:30 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, so, 41 sponsored participants ? | 13:31 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: 50 people have been accepted for sponsorship | 13:34 |
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| zerojay | I dropped out. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | hm, weren't you in candidates list at some point for council? | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Ah yes. Has your registration been removed? | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, can you edit the accommodation table then ? or can I remove your name from there :) | 13:35 |
| zerojay | Quim reqested those who won't be able to make it to send him an e-mail and as far as I know, it already has been. Correct me if I'm wrong. | 13:35 |
| zerojay | Will do. | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, thanks | 13:35 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: You are not registered. So, that 50 sponsored participants does NOT include you | 13:37 |
| zerojay | Ok, cool. | 13:37 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Link me? | 13:38 |
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| zerojay | Stskeeps: And yes, I was running for council. | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation (first one) | 13:38 |
| zerojay | VDVsx: Heh.. I like that trying to select the lines and moving upwards to select the entire portion of me on that table results in automatic scrolling downwards and selecting the rest of the table. | 13:40 |
| * RST38h moos | 13:41 | |
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| zerojay | VDVsx: Done. | 13:42 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, thanks | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | mornin council member gcobb \o congratulations | 13:44 |
| wjt | zerojay: wtf :'( | 13:44 |
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| zerojay | wjt: Sorry dude. :/ | 13:45 |
| wjt | it seems a shame that / couldn't've been made 1G bigger, rather than adding an extra gig in /opt | 13:46 |
| zerojay | Agreed. | 13:46 |
| zerojay | For what it's worth, your plugins are working really well so far. | 13:46 |
| zerojay | Worth the wait. | 13:46 |
| wjt | all praise should be directed to jonny :) | 13:47 |
| zerojay | I don't know how we're supposed to use idle though. | 13:47 |
| gcobb | lcuk: ta, muchly. Am very surprised by result | 13:47 |
| zerojay | gcobb: Congrats. | 13:47 |
| lcuk | why surprised, you guys (barring young pup vdvsx lol) have lots of community experience | 13:47 |
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| wjt | zerojay: heh, yeah, idle's not so useful right now | 13:48 |
| zerojay | jonnylamb: I love you. | 13:48 |
| jonnylamb | Great. | 13:49 |
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| zerojay | lol | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we owe the telepathy-butterfly etc guys a beer at summit :P | 13:49 |
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| RST38h | yeah | 13:49 |
| zerojay | jonnylamb: Thanks for all your hard work on getting the plugins working on Maemo 5. | 13:50 |
| gcobb | lcuk: but other candidates who make more active contributions - I expected you to be on! | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | jonnylamb: Quite some work to get those in the repo, I noticed ;) | 13:51 |
| zerojay | gcobb: You'd think. Hehe. | 13:51 |
| lcuk | im actually relieved - in part because of the costume you guys are gonna have to wear, and the workload lol - i can at least concentrate on code | 13:51 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I kind of feel that way a bit too. | 13:51 |
| RST38h | So, where are the elections results? | 13:52 |
| jonnylamb | X-Fade: Oh? | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=7 | 13:52 |
| inz | Oops, forgot to vote | 13:53 |
| inz | Oh well | 13:53 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, please add your name to the second table -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation | 13:53 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, if you don't have a room booked in other hotel, of course | 13:54 |
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| zerojay | jonnylamb: I noticed that sometimes a # and number is added to the end of my MSN address. Something unintentional? | 13:57 |
| Robot101 | bufferfail | 13:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you are coming to the summit? :D cool | 13:58 |
| Robot101 | er, butterfail | 13:58 |
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| zerojay | Robot101: lol | 14:04 |
| zerojay | Actually, happens to everyone's MSN addresses. | 14:05 |
| zerojay | wjt: Anything in particular we should just accept as known bugs/behavior at this point? | 14:07 |
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| wjt | zerojay: that "foo@bar.com#1" issue, for starters :) | 14:08 |
| zerojay | Also, my MSN friends... I see them as online in Contacts, but if I click on their name to go to their profile, it just shows their "nickname" and doesn't actually list their MSN account as a part of their contact. | 14:09 |
| wjt | i think that's because of the #1 thing | 14:09 |
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| zerojay | Ok. | 14:09 |
| zerojay | Yeah, just seems to happen with MSN contacts. | 14:10 |
| zerojay | When using telepathy-butterfly. | 14:10 |
| zerojay | Suppose I always could just switch to haze. | 14:10 |
| wjt | i'll check with an addressbook person :) | 14:10 |
| zerojay | No problem. Just trying to gather together a list of expected behavior so that you guys don't get deluged with the same "hey, wtf?" questions. | 14:11 |
| wjt | fantastic :) | 14:11 |
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| Robot101 | wjt: the # crap should be filtered by butterfly though | 14:12 |
| Robot101 | wjt: surely | 14:12 |
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| GoTo | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 14:13 |
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| wjt | Robot101: it should, but apparently the normalized id being different to the unnormalized id confuses the address book in genera | 14:13 |
| Robot101 | right | 14:13 |
| wjt | so fixing butterfly works around it | 14:13 |
| zerojay | Is there anything in particular you guys want tested or want people to bang on? | 14:14 |
| Robot101 | wjt: yeah, one of those fix in both places things, I think :) | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Physical durability reports, including drop till it breaks tests. | 14:15 |
| jonnylamb | wjt: Didn't you and lfrb "discuss" this? | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | But I suspect... :) | 14:15 |
| frals | hmm, anyone with a recent n900 able to add more than one APN btw? | 14:19 |
| wjt | zerojay: not that i can think of | 14:19 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon lardman | 14:21 |
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| lardman | congrats to the outgoing & incoming council members, if any are lurking | 14:22 |
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| zerojay | Time to make videogames. Back later. | 14:24 |
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| zerojay | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/29/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxxvi-nokia-n900-rip-shows-no-trad/ | 14:26 |
| zerojay | :) | 14:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, any recommendations for what to use to grab webpages (to a mem buffer) using C? | 14:33 |
| lardman | libsoup? | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | libcurl? | 14:33 |
| lardman | seems to only want to grab to file | 14:33 |
| lardman | or at least only that without hacking around# | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Open socket, request page, read buffer? :) | 14:34 |
| lardman | well yeah there is that I guess | 14:34 |
| lardman | :) | 14:34 |
| lardman | that was the nice thing about Python, lots of convenience packages provided | 14:36 |
| lardman | e.g. urllib | 14:36 |
| lardman | hmm, lots of stuff on an Amazon page | 14:40 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Don't they have a mobile version? | 14:40 |
| lardman | dunno, will have a look see | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | lardman, mmm libcurl will grab to memory | 14:41 |
| lardman | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/lp.html | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | i do i | 14:41 |
| lcuk | hold on | 14:41 |
| lcuk | ill dig itout | 14:41 |
| lardman | cheers | 14:41 |
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| lardman | from looking at the api it seems to want a filehandle all the time | 14:42 |
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| lardman | though you can create your own write() fn | 14:42 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: good call, that will be much easier to parse | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | lardman: system("wget") | 14:44 |
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| lardman | RST38h: that blocks though I guess? | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | lardman, http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqsketchedit.c#L22 | 14:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: guess so | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | and either method can be put in a thread.. | 14:45 |
| lardman | blob master :) | 14:45 |
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| lardman | yeah true | 14:45 |
| lcuk | lard man | 14:45 |
| frals | hmm, this whole "only one APN in fremantle" problem seems quite annoying | 14:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: you can of course try system("wget <url> >file &"); then check on file | 14:45 |
| lardman | I don't want any file access | 14:45 |
| RST38h | frals: How many APNs do you want? :) | 14:45 |
| lcuk | the function push_to_liqbase_net is the function which talks to webserver | 14:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: Ah, ok | 14:46 |
| lcuk | and i expect a response | 14:46 |
| frals | 2 would be quite good as some operators have a separate one for MMS fetching | 14:46 |
| lcuk | which is done with buffer | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lardman: then you can try redirecting its stdout to your stdin | 14:46 |
| lardman | cool, thanks lcuk | 14:46 |
| RST38h | or to a pipe | 14:46 |
| lardman | RST38h: messy, but thanks | 14:46 |
| RST38h | frals: I can suggest a different solution =) | 14:46 |
| frals | hit me! | 14:46 |
| RST38h | frals: Create your own MMS server at Ovi and send all N900 MMSes through that server, at Internet pricing (rather than much higher MMS pricing) | 14:47 |
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| * RST38h laughs satanically | 14:47 | |
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| frals | Rawr | 14:47 |
| lcuk | CURLOPT_WRITEFUNCTION and CURLOPT_WRITEDATA are the important things | 14:48 |
| frals | Shame I got free MMSes with my operator ;-) | 14:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, as long as ovi will push them to people around the world thats a viable option | 14:48 |
| DrIDK | hello! Are you developping a maemo application creator, like qt creator ? Because maemo SDK is very difficult to use | 14:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: MMS server is just a normal web srever | 14:49 |
| lcuk | DrIDK, IDK! | 14:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The "push" happens via SMS | 14:49 |
| lcuk | hopefully, but you still need to compile apps | 14:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A specially formatted SMS contains URL to the MMS server | 14:50 |
| lcuk | RST38h, so i can push photos to my gf over the web? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If you can send those special SMSes then yes | 14:50 |
| * lardman looks at the summit agenda and plans his listening | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | so it needs OVI servers sending out specially crafted SMSes to all providers in the world | 14:50 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what insane human being is boiling cabbage outside | 14:50 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Operators require separate APN for the connection to their MMS servers for one simple reasons: to charge you x10 more for MMSes | 14:50 |
| lardman | what is "UX panel"? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | UX = user experience | 14:51 |
| lcuk | user experience | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | user experience panel? | 14:51 |
| RST38h | "UX panel" is where UX designers go to find work, I guess | 14:51 |
| lcuk | i think this and the other UI one should not happen concurrently | 14:51 |
| lardman | ah, my engineering background showing through | 14:51 |
| lcuk | and they should follow from each other and build on it | 14:51 |
| DrIDK | lcuk: ? | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | DrIDK, to compile an application for maemo, it needs a maemo compiler - this normally happens in a dedicated environment - "the maemo SDK" - any maemo application creator must cater for this | 14:52 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, normal web server? I thought it was WAP | 14:53 |
| lcuk | some strange people seem to think using an on device compiler works really nicely | 14:53 |
| lcuk | but they are dismissed as heretics ;) | 14:53 |
| lardman | lol @ dneary's lighting presentation, just so everyone who comes on after him knows what they should have done :) | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Shadow: WAP is also delivered via normal HTTP | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Shadow: either as WML or as HDML document | 14:53 |
| lcuk | lol lardman | 14:53 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, WAP over html isn't guaranteed to work | 14:54 |
| * RST38h decides whether to dismiss lcuk for now or burn him at the stake screaming "HERETIC! HERETIC!" | 14:54 | |
| ShadowJK | over http, I mean | 14:54 |
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| penguinbait | lcuk was robbed :( | 14:54 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Dunno, it is still HTTP | 14:54 |
| lcuk | not at all | 14:54 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: maybe some weird transport protocol underneath of course | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: But it worked perfectly for me years ago, using generic Apache server | 14:55 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Configured to send HDML document with correct MIME type | 14:55 |
| lardman | oh well, nearly every talk clashes with another one I also want to watch | 14:55 |
| glass | the last leg of transfer, from wapgw to phone, could be some wap specific shit, but the server giving the stuff to wap gw just works fine and dandy from plain http servers | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/file/2658172 <- fremantle desktop under mer on a q5 with SW rendering | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | with transitions limited | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: Wow | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | blurrycam galore, too | 14:56 |
| lardman | cool :) | 14:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: use screencasts next time, please | 14:56 |
| lardman | not got the 3D stuff up and running yet? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think screencast will slow down the device to a halt | 14:56 |
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| glass | do it in a dark room like a true nerd should | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: gzip on the fly should be ok | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well i decided to try on q5 as it was my only mer devel device right now, and if it worked like crap on q5, it would work like crap on n8x0.. | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, I think the typical flow is apache serving hdml over http to an ISPs wap gateway server, which modifies/mangles your page and sends it over some monstrous WSP/WTP/WDP transport to the device.. | 14:57 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Not really | 14:57 |
| lardman | the 3D hw is accessible in the q5 though isn't it? | 14:57 |
| lardman | s/in/on | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's some leaked libs now | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Dunno about transport but pretty sure HDML comes through unmodified | 14:57 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, I thought the modification is a key part of WAP, pages are modified for the devices? | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Modified by YOU the website designer :))) | 14:58 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: And of course it is a weakness, not a virtue | 14:59 |
| RST38h | This is why WAP lost to HTML | 14:59 |
| RST38h | WWW, not HTML, really | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | Mind, most modern wap browsers know how to do HTTP over IP.. but that doesn't automatically mean your ISP/Operator gives you an environment where you actually can do http :/ | 14:59 |
| frals | some mms gateways does try to modify the content to match your handset, according to wikipedia (i think) | 14:59 |
| RST38h | They should have just used GOPHER for mobiles... | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, Japan used a subset of HTML instead of inventing entirely new transports and markup languages.. much more successful | 15:00 |
| RST38h | frals <--- venturing into areas he shouldn't, really | 15:00 |
| glass | they hurried the mobile browsing by one generation of shitphones.. | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: this would be very fast on n8x0 with GL drivers probably.. same on q5 | 15:00 |
| frals | ^^ | 15:00 |
| glass | that nobody could even use due to so high costs on using wap over gsm | 15:00 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yes, looks very nice, good work | 15:00 |
| glass | RIOT ON!.. | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Not that it is illegal or anything but working with MMS badly affects mental health | 15:00 |
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| ShadowJK | ooh: "WAP 2.0[1] released in 2002 is a re-engineering of WAP using a cut-down version of XHTML with end-to-end HTTP (i.e., dropping the gateway and custom protocol suite used to communicate with it)." | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I'm thinking of WAP1 | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | With its gateways and custom transport protocols | 15:02 |
| frals | I read somewhere that WAP2.0 isn't widely implemented, I might be wrong though | 15:02 |
| akshay | Hi ! How do we become root in maemo SDK ? | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | "A WAP gateway can be used in conjunction with WAP 2.0; however, in this scenario, it is used as a standard proxy server. The WAP gateway's role would then shift from one of translation to adding additional information to each request. This would be configured by the operator and could include telephone numbers, location, billing information, and handset information." | 15:02 |
| RST38h | WAP/WML/XHTML is being managed by a committee | 15:03 |
| RST38h | So you can expect all kinds of "new" protocols from them over years, just ignore them | 15:03 |
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| frals | god this whole MMS business is messy :P | 15:04 |
| Corsac | aha, n900 back again to oct 29 | 15:04 |
| Corsac | ok, I got it | 15:04 |
| Corsac | on the morning, it's planned for oct 22 | 15:05 |
| Corsac | on the afternoon, for oct 29 | 15:05 |
| cosmo | hmm.. what's the black squaer next to camera button on n900? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | IR? | 15:05 |
| lcuk | frals, that swhy discussion and collaboration is needed. its hard work and not the sort of thing 1 person can slot in in an afternoon | 15:06 |
| Corsac | or brightness sensor? | 15:06 |
| cosmo | that's what i thought first.. but IR is a bit 90's | 15:06 |
| lcuk | i believe its ir | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | "Most controversial, especially for many from the IP side, was the design of WAP over IP. WAP's transmission layer protocol, WTP, uses its own retransmission mechanisms over UDP to attempt to solve the problem of the inadequacy of TCP over high packet loss networks." | 15:06 |
| frals | lcuk: yeah, deffo | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | Dear god, not even standard TCP | 15:06 |
| frals | "WAP Push is specified on top of WDP; as such, it can be delivered over any WDP-supported bearer, such as GPRS or SMS.[9] In most GSM networks there are a wide range of modified processors, but GPRS activation from the network is not generally supported, so WAP Push messages have to be delivered on top of the SMS bearer." | 15:07 |
| lcuk | nano-pigeons | 15:07 |
| * frals scratches head | 15:07 | |
| lcuk | silently sent out from your device (through a little inconspicuous black flap on the front near the camera button) connect to the pigeon coops nearby | 15:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, WTP is SMS-based | 15:07 |
| lcuk | and send your data | 15:07 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, no it can run on anything | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Breaks data into SMSes and sends them, at SMS prices | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: WAP can | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: WTP is cellular specific though | 15:08 |
| ShadowJK | no, oops, WTP runs on top of WDP | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: So, you have got HDML/WML-on-top-of-HTTP-on-top-of-WTP-on-top-of-SMS | 15:08 |
| AndrewFBlack | anyone got any clue what will make a n810 screen need recalibration every 5 mintues or so besides the screen is going dead? | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Ok, include WDP in the middle | 15:09 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Anyways, you can probably see now why I urged frals not to go there | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Andrew: lint? | 15:09 |
| frals | its not fun if its easy, RST38h! ;) | 15:10 |
| AndrewFBlack | RST38h, I look a can of compressed air and tried to clean aroun edge of screen without taking it apart not sure if it is lint | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | So it looks like it's WSP (modified http) - WTP (custom tcp-ish implementation) - WDP (is same as UDP when over IP) - <sms or IP> | 15:10 |
| RST38h | frals: When you get down to binary SMS encoding, I will look at you. | 15:10 |
| penguinbait | AFB are you running from flash or SD card? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: taking it apart may be an option.. takes a torx screwdriver but that's about it | 15:11 |
| frals | :D | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | frals: I guess you have some reading? http://www.wapforum.org/what/technical_1_1.htm | 15:11 |
| penguinbait | AndrewFBlack are you running from flash or SD card? | 15:12 |
| AndrewFBlack | penguinbait, flash but I have mer installed on sd card but screen problem is with both | 15:12 |
| penguinbait | bummer | 15:12 |
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| ShadowJK | ooh: http://www.wapforum.org/what/technical.htm | 15:12 |
| frals | ShadowJK: gonna read through the wap 1.2 as this is where WAP Push was added, and as I understand WAP Push is needed for MMS isnt it? | 15:12 |
| penguinbait | I thought maybe it was just the OS messing up | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I think so, but there's a document on MMS on that second link | 15:12 |
| gcobb | Heh, some of us lived through all the "WAP is crap" stuff. Some of the engineering decisions were good (WAP push over SMS, creation of WTP). Some were not so good (WML). | 15:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, thats going to be my next option I have a real bad deap scratch I was wondering if that could cause it but the scratch has been there a long time and problem just started | 15:13 |
| gcobb | Somewhere on the internet you will even find my WML home page, if you search hard enough! | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | Plus, what if the operator uses wap1.x and not wap2 for mms, etc :/ | 15:13 |
| frals | ShadowJK: cool, ill do some reading... ^^ | 15:13 |
| t_s_o | i would guess that wtp on top of sms is a last resort when everything else fails... | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | Luckily my first phone with GPRS could eat html2 webpages, so I never made any WML :) | 15:13 |
| penguinbait | I have a coupe deep scratches in a n800 its annoying, but never caused an actually problem | 15:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | I notice some times its like it doens't register my clicks at all as well | 15:14 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: My first phone could only parse HDML | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 15:14 |
| t_s_o | gcobb: wml, and "payment by the min" on non-gprs phones basically tainted all future wap talk... | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | my first phone didn't have any wap at all :) | 15:14 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Good for it too, though, as WML ihas been severely overengineered by the committee | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | And: if it is scratched badly enought htat the layer is deformed, and contacts the screen when untouched, that will do that | 15:15 |
| t_s_o | i recall testing wap on a old siemens back when it had two colors, black and white ;) | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | t_s_o, especially when people with web pages expected you to dial their own modem pool and pay premium rates... that was even bigger wtf | 15:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Well we bought HDML capable phone for business, as I implemented mobile webmail on it | 15:15 |
| * lcuk has an n810 that is completely insensitive to finger touch - it works with stylus tho | 15:15 | |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Long, LONG time before gmail :) | 15:15 |
| t_s_o | ShadowJK: dont think i have ever seen that... | 15:15 |
| frals | ShadowJK: are you able to dl any of the docs from wapforum? im getting a user/pass prompt | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | frade, heh I didn't try | 15:16 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, those were dodgy pron attacks | 15:16 |
| t_s_o | funny thing was that even back with the b/w lcd screens, someone found a way to deliver porn by wap :P | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | frals, yeah same | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, no it was legitimate sites | 15:16 |
| lcuk | then you have to register with wapforum to get at the docs | 15:16 |
| lcuk | yikes ShadowJK | 15:17 |
| t_s_o | ah those tricks, the custom dailers, from back in the modem age, no wonder i didnt recall it... | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, for example news sites that had proper HTML versions, but expected users to pay premium rates per the minute for mobile access | 15:17 |
| lcuk | perfectly normal | 15:17 |
| t_s_o | i think i ones had a dialer trying to forcibly hijack my connection, but as i was on isdn at the time, it could not make head or tail of the setup ;) | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | After GPRS came they then made their WML sites accessible via internet, and used a different way of trying to charge per page instead | 15:18 |
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| ShadowJK | and I guess foreca is still doing it with their widget :-) | 15:19 |
| glass | hehe | 15:19 |
| frals | hmm, wonder how many operators have infrastructure that doesnt support wap2.0 | 15:20 |
| glass | dunno. theres gotta be some totally closed garden shithole operators still left | 15:20 |
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| t_s_o | most of them in the US ;) | 15:21 |
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| * RST38h imagines how software engineers working for cell operators feel | 15:21 | |
| RST38h | Must feel like perpetual attempts to make a soup out of worn shoes | 15:22 |
| * ShadowJK interned with a phone operator once | 15:22 | |
| RST38h | Every feature should be as convoluted as possible or it is not good enough | 15:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | just noticed with only around 300 people voting in council election it would be easy to fix the election | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | but I was mostly "whoah are those vaccuum tubes" - "dude what's with all these used wires in a pile? can I have them?" | 15:23 |
| * RST38h still has not seen election results | 15:23 | |
| Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: "easy"? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Heh, how fmailiar | 15:23 |
| AndrewFBlack | someon could start now creating new accounts and building just a little karma on each then vote fo them selfs on all those accounts | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: demanding a recount? :) | 15:23 |
| RST38h | Andrew: need to have account for at least 3 months | 15:23 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, no i reall was just trying something by running this time seeing how many votes I could get by just saying hey I'm running and then saying nothig else about it | 15:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | RST38h, if the person created the accounts now he could do it by next election | 15:24 |
| t_s_o | AndrewFBlack: i thought you had gone over to the fruity side | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | Also, the last time they threw out anything at their central exchange was when they did analog->digital. Each subsequent generation of digital equipment occupied less than half the space of the previous generation, which was already magnitudes smaller than the analog system before, so their machine room was a trip through history :-) | 15:25 |
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| * SpeedEvil gets ready for the massive outages in 2020, when phone exchanges start blowing away as people open doors. | 15:25 | |
| RST38h | Shadow: They never removed anything? | 15:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | t_s_o, maybe next time I will run for real and put some effort into it | 15:25 |
| t_s_o | ShadowJK: basically, install new stuff as failover for old stuff, then remove old stuff at eventual fail and move in newer stuff, repeat as needed? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Shadow: And in the very middle, there was a shining blue vat with a pulsating brain connected to the exchange with golden wires? | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | t_s_o, no they just couldn't be bothered to bring in the heavy cranes to rmeove the old shit | 15:26 |
| * frals goes to town on: "Wireless Application Protocol Multimedia Messaging Service Client Transactions Specification" | 15:26 | |
| frals | this document looks like fun! | 15:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | the hard part about fixing the election for you to win is coming up with 50 new name I don't think andrewfblack01, andrewfblack02 would work lol | 15:27 |
| t_s_o | ah, dinos :D | 15:27 |
| t_s_o | i recall reading when a norwegian university where giving away some old servers, they recommended you bring 3-4 big friends, and strong carrying straps ;) | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | Plus they had used some of the spare space to set up an office, and door in the new drywall was too small to even get a programming terminal through... | 15:28 |
| t_s_o | heh, screwdriver time ;) | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | That terminal looked awesome. The chair, "table", keyboard and screen was one huge integrated unit | 15:28 |
| t_s_o | btw, that sounds almost like a tv practical joke. get a big box that barely fits, delivered. then while distracting crew to another room swap the box to one that just bare do not fit ;) | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | it all fits if you have a chainsaw | 15:29 |
| t_s_o | and a jackhammer for the concrete ;) | 15:30 |
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| AndrewFBlack | someone asked me about using fremantle icons on my fremantle theme for diablo, icons are closed source right | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: you can probably use Meizirkki's freemantle-icons | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: no, not closed source, copyrighted yes :) | 15:31 |
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| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, so I wouldn't be able to release them if I got a copy of them right | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Nope | 15:32 |
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| lardman | ask for permission? | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: It is the Ovi icon set IIRC. | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/09/09/new-one-size-fits-all-ovi-icons/ | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | we just use oxygen icons instead | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Why use default icons? They are kinda ugly (well some) | 15:37 |
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| AndrewFBlack | RST38h, some people asked about me using them so I thought would ask | 15:37 |
| AndrewFBlack | I think the theme looks cool even with diablos icons | 15:38 |
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| X-Fade | Using diablo icons has the same problem. | 15:39 |
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| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, I don't use the diablo icons they are already there the theme is for diablo :) | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Well then it not a problem. As long as you don't redistribute them :) | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | The Kafka-esque Nightmare of Palm App Submission | 15:46 |
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| RST38h | (C)Slashdot | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: maemo.org extras starts looking more and more sane as time goes by | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Looks like phone manufacturers just LOVE doing this | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Sts: Sadly, yes | 15:46 |
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| ShadowJK | it never looked not-sane to me.. :-) | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: But wait, the fremantle Extras is a step toward Kafka | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | Hey, I take offense to that! | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | is femantle extras different? | 15:47 |
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| ShadowJK | oh well, as long as it isn't like on Symbian where you have to pay to maek your software runnable | 15:48 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: well, the three-layered submission system, you know... | 15:49 |
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| * RST38h is pretty satisfied with the fact that Extras has been effectively replaced with Extras-testing for power users | 15:49 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But at least you have that. And don't have to use the minefield. | 15:50 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Diablo extras feels pretty safe | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Extras-devel is a different story of course | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, it is not. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: About 20% can not be installed and can certainly not be rebuilt. | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | so like | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | How would one get something that doesn't build successful with sb toolchain into extras? | 15:51 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Cannot be rebuilt is ok as far as I am conerned, cannot be installed is worse | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | could you like make a newer gcc package and build-dep that? ;D | 15:52 |
| RichiH | SpeedEvil: i already have a data plan so i don't need/want to get another one just for the n900 | 15:52 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But I define "minefield" as "you install an app from there and it screws up your system" | 15:52 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Diablo Extras is pretty safe in this sense | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, i can do that too. | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: As you can promote your app without anybody knowing or checking. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: You submit to non-free | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: And there is no dependency checking either. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: This is the only practical way at the moment, although I agree it is not exactyly what you are trying to do | 15:53 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I guess we have just got mostly sane develoepers then | 15:53 |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda funny. Diablo's toolchain doesn't build VFP code, and Fremantle's toolchain doesn't build NEON :-) | 15:54 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: If you get 2009q1 toolchain it will build Neon | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | yeah probably | 15:54 |
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| kulve | there's no real benefit from compiling for neon, afaik. | 15:55 |
| RST38h | well, depends... | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | kulve, handwritten neon? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | the neon pipeline flush is certainly going to be a disaster | 15:56 |
| RST38h | You have got 13+10 steps | 15:56 |
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| kulve | handwritten neon is a great thing but the compiler generated neon isnt' | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | Someone was trying to compile a recent MPlayer and gas didn't recognize the neon | 15:57 |
| RST38h | kulve: is it fundamental or should we just wait for a better gcc backend? | 15:57 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: doesn't build vfp? | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, doesn't recognize all vfp opcodes | 15:58 |
| lardman | you sure? | 15:58 |
| kulve | RST38h: I don't know. I guess it's just something that the compiler can't ever do well. Like it's still beneficial to hand write armv5/6 asm where good performance is needed | 15:58 |
| lardman | ah ok, asm you mean? | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | mnemonics | 15:58 |
| RST38h | kulve: with arm assembly I can tellyou why | 15:58 |
| RST38h | kulve: it is really simple ;) | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, vpush for example | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | kulve: GCC will optimize your code with respect to the CPU pipeline. It WILL NOT take memory thoroughput into account | 15:59 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: have not looked at VFP asm at all, thought you were also meaning from C | 15:59 |
| RST38h | kulve: In most ARM-based SoCs though, memory is the real killer | 15:59 |
| kulve | the fremantle 2007q3 compiles neon fine with -mfpu=neon I guess? | 16:00 |
| RST38h | kulve: Once you miss cache, it is 32 reads at 166MHz max | 16:00 |
| RST38h | kulve: Actually, I am wrong | 16:00 |
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| ShadowJK | There was someone on t.m.o who tried to compile latest MPlayer for fremantle, and gas didn't recognize all of the neon | 16:01 |
| RST38h | kulve: 8 clocks to set address then 8x32bits for the data | 16:01 |
| kulve | ShadowJK: I compiled ffmpeg and it do compile for NEON with proper gcc options | 16:01 |
| RST38h | kulve: If you are unlucky to have 16bit data bus, it is 8+8*2=24 SDRAM clocks | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | maybe he was missing -mfpu=neon... | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Which (with CPU at 400MHz) equals to 24*400/166=58 clocks | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | kulve: In other words, you are screwed | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | And compiler is NOT gonna help you | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Handwritten solution is to stick as many variables into ARM registers as possible, use each register for multiple variables and shift - gcc can't do that | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | gcc's vectorizer doesn't work nicely for any CPU arch so I wouldn't expect it to work nicely for neon anytime this century :) | 16:03 |
| kulve | http://hardwarebug.org/2008/11/28/codesourcery-fails-again/ | 16:06 |
| fiferboy | Anyone interesting in community widgets could have a look at the color selector and font selector in my countdown-home package | 16:07 |
| fiferboy | Anyone interested in giving my countdown-home package karma in extras-testing would be welcome :) | 16:08 |
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| ShadowJK | "CodeSourcery insist they subject every compiler release to an extensive test suite. Evidently it does not extend to cover the right shift operator." | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | hah | 16:08 |
| glass | hehe | 16:09 |
| bongo|kup | hi. i'm trying to become root in mer. when i type 'sudo su -' i just get 'user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/su -' as root' | 16:09 |
| bongo|kup | what's wrong? | 16:09 |
| bongo|kup | i forgot. i use easy mer on my n800 with diablo | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: I am sure they do test it | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: But catching all bugs like this is kinda difficult, there are millions of them possible | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | I guess atleast codesourcery fixes some of them | 16:14 |
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| lardman | DarwinSurvivor: what was your particular bid to rid the gene pool? | 16:25 |
| lardman | of have you just come back from Oz? | 16:26 |
| lardman | s/of/or | 16:26 |
| DarwinSurvivor | none really, just a "i am what is left after darwin filtered the rest" | 16:26 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 16:26 |
| DarwinSurvivor | i get a LOT of people asking that....... | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Darwin does nto filter, he accepts sacrifices | 16:26 |
| * lardman was looking forward to more stories of fireworks and helium ballons ;) | 16:26 | |
| DarwinSurvivor | lol | 16:26 |
| DarwinSurvivor | lardman: well, there have been a few close calls | 16:27 |
| DarwinSurvivor | but nothing specific to warrant the name | 16:27 |
| lardman | fair enough :) | 16:27 |
| DarwinSurvivor | hey, does anybody here know if they are planning on releasing maemo5 for the n810? I know it lacks opengl support, but some of the other stuff is pretty cool | 16:28 |
| lardman | Mer | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 16:28 |
| infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | even without gl support it might actually work for some bits, heh | 16:30 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: is there a hw opengl implementation for the Q5? | 16:31 |
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| lardman | or just the low-level access libs/headers? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: if we ignore the balant legal problems, open source kernel driver, closed source and slightly unknown of licensing GLES libs | 16:32 |
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| lardman | ah ok, so they do exsit then | 16:33 |
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| bongo|kup | how can i become root in easy mer? i get just 'user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/su -' as root' | 16:36 |
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| lopz | gm ;) | 16:54 |
| LoCusF | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=2869 <- ramzez now has a separate package for init scripts, so you can only install the ramzez-init package to get all the load-on-reboot functionality :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | comes with a control panel? | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet | 16:57 |
| RST38h | sts, how about running mer on this? | 16:58 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 16:58 | |
| LoCusF | Stskeeps: nope | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: could be interesting | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | LoCusF: we have a task open for ramzswap in Mer if you're bored, btw :) | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: congrats on council | 17:01 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, thanks :) | 17:01 |
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| lardman | interesting, do you get the mobile version of gizmodo from your tablet? | 17:03 |
| lardman | VDVsx: congrats :) | 17:03 |
| VDVsx | lardman, thanks ;) | 17:05 |
| lardman | hmm, can't watch that video on device, connection too slow | 17:06 |
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| lardman | lcuk: ping | 17:09 |
| lardman | looks very pretty that interface | 17:11 |
| lcuk | yeah simon | 17:11 |
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| lardman | seen the ui for that M$ Courier tablet? | 17:11 |
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| VDVsx | humm, multi-touch + handwrite o_0 | 17:14 |
| lardman | well yeah, who knows if it would actually work, but some of the ideas are quite cool, wouldn't want lcuk to get bored | 17:14 |
| lcuk | not seen video | 17:15 |
| lcuk | but is this the folding one | 17:15 |
| lardman | yep | 17:15 |
| lcuk | with a stylus i would be afraid to just drop stylus in the fold and close lid | 17:15 |
| lcuk | like you do with a book ;) except with excessive breaking noises | 17:16 |
| lardman | have to design the hinge accordingly, use that to store the stylus | 17:16 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | ive got a load of code relating to cooperatively networking local tablets in motion | 17:18 |
| lcuk | id love to have things like graphic pads with the tools and colors on on tablet and the drawing on another :) | 17:18 |
| lardman | didn't see that in the Courier video, but didn't watch it all | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Come clean. | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: This is really a cunning plan to get given 6 n900s, and ebay 5 of them. | 17:19 |
| airtonarantes | How can I install apps on maemo(N810) directly to memory card? I can just to install apps using the internal memory, but I won't this, I wanna install on the memory card, because the internal memory is ver small. | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nahhh i have plans for many more than 6 :) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | whether they become reality is a different issue :P | 17:20 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ive already seen what happens when i get 3 n900s together | 17:20 |
| lardman | what's that? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 if you are interested | 17:20 |
| javispedro | 3 n900 together: imagine every molecule of your body ceasing to exist and exploding at light speed. | 17:21 |
| lcuk | i even have a plan for the code to do it properly too | 17:21 |
| lardman | well it is very pretty, but what about being able to cooperatively edit a doc, throw it over to another device, etc.? | 17:21 |
| lardman | how do the devices know their positions, so that the streamlines join up? | 17:22 |
| lardman | very accurate GPS? ;) | 17:22 |
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| lcuk2 | black helicopters? | 17:23 |
| lardman | no, they haven't come for me yet | 17:23 |
| lardman | ;) | 17:23 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, coop editing - the whole set of network devices need to know the whole "weather map" | 17:23 |
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| lcuk2 | so when i draw on one it must pass details to the others | 17:24 |
| lcuk2 | once the weather map is shared, the flow will work | 17:24 |
| lardman | but how does it know its position rel to the others? | 17:24 |
| lcuk2 | position within a grid is something ive tried a few things | 17:24 |
| lcuk2 | firstly - echo sounding | 17:24 |
| lcuk2 | 1 mic, 2 speaksers | 17:24 |
| lardman | I guess you could use the cameras to work out position | 17:24 |
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| lcuk2 | yeah simon | 17:26 |
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| lcuk2 | the barcode test can take a photo | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ah, another pushn900 video featuring you (briefly this time) ;) | 17:26 |
| lcuk2 | identify location and scale of a barcode | 17:26 |
| lcuk2 | and know which window it should use | 17:26 |
| Macer | ugh i still feel like shit | 17:27 |
| lcuk2 | i still dont know why i dropped off the net | 17:27 |
| lcuk2 | its kinda unnerving | 17:27 |
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| lcuk2 | lardman, i half considered using the same windowing technique and location stuff to show liqbase in the same super window | 17:28 |
| lcuk2 | with everything running at fullspeed | 17:28 |
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| lcuk2 | it would need data sharing tho | 17:28 |
| lardman | I like the idea, and I think being able to share easily over a private liq network would be quite cool | 17:29 |
| lardman | but make it something useful, like calendars, or sketches, or dunno, something | 17:29 |
| LoCusF | Stskeeps: cools I'll check it out | 17:30 |
| lardman | I do like the streaming stuff, looks cool, but has only limited usefulness | 17:30 |
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| lcuk2 | lardman, well liqbase.net has the upload caps and thats the principle reason | 17:30 |
| lcuk2 | its all public tho atm | 17:30 |
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| lcuk2 | but i *WILL* have it on my kitchen wall soon :) | 17:31 |
| lardman | :) | 17:31 |
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| lcuk2 | best thing now is because it runs well on n810 it is gonna be reasonably cheap to allow. worst thing is my rubbish code | 17:32 |
| lardman | would be very cool if everyone at the summit, no matter which hw (well not 770 perhaps) could run the same app and do something cooperativelty | 17:32 |
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| lcuk2 | lardman my words exactly :) (tho 770 is totally unknown and probably wouldnt right now | 17:33 |
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| lardman | bbl | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: any impressions about hildon status area in fremantle yet? | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | What about it? | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | well, API wise, if it's insane or 'as simple' as the old api | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, why would you expect me to know? I've never written shit in my life :) | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, i wouldn't say so but hey ;) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: http://blip.tv/file/2658172 | 17:47 |
| Macer | blah | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Dunno if it's just me, but the Packages interface appears to be down | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: reload ;) | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: loading some changes.. | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Mmm, yeah, looking a bit better but I wouldn't call it "fixed" ;) | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: still loading;) | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Too slow ;P | 17:51 |
| Macer | anybody here running fbsd? | 17:51 |
| Macer | was wondering how well the zfs support was | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: ok, I messed up ;) | 17:51 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: :p | 17:52 |
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| kirma | macer: how come? | 17:52 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: fixed | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 17:53 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Although the builds block on the sidebar has the weirdest order imaginable ;) | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Don't worry: It's maemo.org, what's new? ;P | 17:55 |
| * qwerty12 ducks | 17:55 | |
| lcuk2 | X-Fade, is it linked to the photos on front page of maemo.org by any chance :P | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12 | To be fair, his username is "lardman". I certainly wouldn't try shifting him off the front page | 17:59 |
| lcuk2 | yeah, but he should be animated lol | 18:00 |
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| Macer | kirma: i was going to try to find out what is wrong with my server | 18:02 |
| Macer | for some reason it keeps freezing up without any clues | 18:02 |
| Macer | so i am going to clean it out very well soon by taking it apart.. sand down the cpus and add new thermal compound and see if that's the problem | 18:02 |
| Macer | otherwise i was going to swap opensolaris for fbsd if the zfs support is there so i don't lose my zfs stuff | 18:03 |
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| lcuk2 | macer - mmm just stability issues? the thermal goop should fill in the gaps and usually sanding causes bigger gaps unless you are on about proper lapping and polishing - the quick solution to see if its the cpu freq is to underclock ;) | 18:05 |
| lcuk2 | just so you know | 18:05 |
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| lcuk2 | then if it works underclocking.. | 18:05 |
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| lcuk3 | I deserved that fo sure | 18:06 |
| frals | many el coqs here today! | 18:06 |
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| lcuk5 | whats up? | 18:07 |
| lcuk3 | not much, you | 18:07 |
| lcuk4 | nothing here? | 18:08 |
| mihu | Macer: Make sure to replace the power supply, at least temporarily and see if your system is stable again. I recently had a system where I systematically exchanged all components (except the power supply) and nothing helped. Then I changed the power supply and it worked again. | 18:08 |
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| lcuk3 | <-- shoots lcuk5 | 18:09 |
| lcuk5 | doh | 18:09 |
| lcuk4 | <-- shoots lcuk3 | 18:09 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk2, lcuk3, lcuk4, lcuk5, o_O | 18:09 |
| lcuksuxcox | Don't forget me! | 18:10 |
| florian | lcuk*: You know the "ghost" command? ;) | 18:10 |
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| slonopotamus | -NickServ- You may not ghost yourself. | 18:10 |
| Myrtti | you seriously need to get some healthier hobbies | 18:10 |
| Myrtti | I suggest macrame | 18:10 |
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| lcuksuxcox | slonopotamus: give me your password, I'll do it for you | 18:11 |
| Myrtti | or basket weaving | 18:11 |
| penguinbait | my password is liqelsie | 18:11 |
| frals | :D | 18:12 |
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| Macer | lcuk2: yeah. i have thermal compound on it | 18:15 |
| Macer | well.. them | 18:15 |
| Macer | mihu: that sounds possible. even though i have a 750W psu | 18:15 |
| Macer | it might actually need a larger one | 18:15 |
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| penguinbait | http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/ | 18:15 |
| Macer | penguinbait: haha. they call them coffee shops? :) | 18:16 |
| Macer | i'm curious.. if you go to the NL and smoke pot. then come back and pop positive on a pee test at work and get fired. can you fight it? :) | 18:16 |
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| glass__ | Macer: well, depends where you live | 18:17 |
| Macer | i mean it isn't like you broke any laws | 18:17 |
| Macer | in the US | 18:17 |
| glass__ | Macer: in finland they'd have to suspect you to have been high at work | 18:17 |
| Macer | glass__: it is probably the same here | 18:17 |
| Macer | they seriously need to make a time test for marijuana | 18:17 |
| mihu | Macer: As you probably know, the power supply outputs different power rails. If just one of these rails outputs flaky voltages, then you're screwed. And it's really hard to find that out without really watching the rails. But who does it? | 18:17 |
| Macer | something like an alcohol breath test | 18:17 |
| penguinbait | you mean a coffee test? | 18:18 |
| glass__ | mihu: i've done that sometimes. but i knew i was straining and overclocking felt like fun then | 18:18 |
| Macer | mihu: yeah. i will probably guy a new psu just to check. maybe a GW one just to make sure. i am going ot need one soon anyways when i build my retard box with its 8GPUS and 4CPUs just for gaming :) haha | 18:19 |
| Macer | i haven't had a gaming box in a long time | 18:19 |
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| Macer | want to see what's out there nowadays | 18:19 |
| Macer | penguinbait: haha | 18:19 |
| Macer | isn't caffine illegal in certain concentrations? | 18:19 |
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| Macer | caffine gets you pretty messed up from what i've heard if you take it concentrated | 18:19 |
| glass__ | hmm. can't think of anywhere where it would be | 18:19 |
| penguinbait | no idea Macer? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | <<< the real lcuk | 18:20 |
| Macer | penguinbait: someone has to start marketing it ;) | 18:20 |
| glass__ | you can buy cafeine pills over here in finland anyways | 18:20 |
| lcuk | you gits! | 18:20 |
| Macer | glass__: they are probably still very cut | 18:20 |
| Macer | like 1% caffine | 18:20 |
| glass__ | Macer: well. take more then | 18:20 |
| lcuksuxcox | <<< lcuk's favourite hobby | 18:20 |
| Macer | i think they put toxins in caffine pills so you can't pop them like that | 18:20 |
| Macer | :) | 18:20 |
| glass__ | Macer: about the same as in a cup of coffee for one pill. pharmasies sell them | 18:20 |
| Macer | just like ethanol to run cars | 18:20 |
| lcuk | good to have such a flexible spin :) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | spine | 18:20 |
| Macer | if you could drink car ethanol. people would be filling up kegs at the gas station | 18:21 |
| glass__ | Macer: the energy pills etc you can buy in grocery stores in finland suck big time and have pretty much nothing | 18:21 |
| glass__ | well you can drink a lot of stuff. ask finnish boozers heehee... | 18:21 |
| Macer | heh | 18:21 |
| Macer | well. i'm just saying. ethanol for cars is just highly concentrated drinking alcohol | 18:21 |
| Macer | moonshine with added toxins so people can't drink it | 18:22 |
| glass__ | and well, they'd drink it here, if it didn't have any additive to make it foul | 18:22 |
| Macer | glass__: makes you wonder why people haven't started distilling it ;) | 18:22 |
| glass__ | theres some urban legend tricks to it | 18:22 |
| Macer | all it would take is a coil and maybe some vaccum to bring the pressure down | 18:22 |
| penguinbait | cigarette's are banned at the coffee houses, hahaha | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | Macer: because methanol evaporates at lower temperatures | 18:23 |
| Macer | penguinbait: don't want to catch cancer from the coffee house ;) | 18:23 |
| glass__ | well if you got a still it's better to make your own moonshine from some cheap old bread or whatever | 18:23 |
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| Macer | glass__: fruit works better :) | 18:23 |
| * glass__ has drank genuine moonshine | 18:23 | |
| glass__ | Macer: fruit is more expensive. you think we got fruit in finland in trees :D (well, apart from apples) | 18:23 |
| Macer | coconut works great.. as does sugar cane | 18:23 |
| glass__ | sugar cane is great | 18:24 |
| Macer | apples work too though :) | 18:24 |
| glass__ | but the point with making moonshine is that you can use any crap for the mash(?) | 18:24 |
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| Macer | i've never heard of using bread | 18:24 |
| Macer | bread is expensive now | 18:25 |
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| glass__ | well, stale bread. | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | auntie Miia's cooking corner | 18:25 |
| Macer | heh | 18:25 |
| glass__ | you know, stuff you can go take out from a grocery stores garbage bins | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | take orange juice cartons and freeze them | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | then let them melt to a bucket | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | cover, let bubble, enjoy | 18:25 |
| glass__ | vankilakilju | 18:25 |
| Macer | Myrtti: hooch sucks :) | 18:26 |
| Macer | oranges are for winos | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | Macer: distillation is optional | 18:26 |
| Macer | and prison whores | 18:26 |
| glass__ | Macer: prison hooch type of stuff is somewhat popular among teens in finland | 18:26 |
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| Macer | glass__: really? | 18:26 |
| Macer | they call it MD 20/20 here :) | 18:27 |
| Macer | haha | 18:27 |
| Macer | for $5 you can get fucked up | 18:27 |
| glass__ | Macer: really. and last time i saw stuff that wasnt cleared even drank was like 1.5weeks ago | 18:27 |
| Myrtti | when I was 13 some of the boys in my class had a lunch break hobby of going to the nearby mall and buying super yeast... | 18:27 |
| glass__ | Macer: punk kids make it from milk | 18:27 |
| Myrtti | "mehukatti sanoo pulpul" | 18:27 |
| Macer | milk? | 18:27 |
| kirma | macer: regarding zfs... well, not such an expert I'd be much of help. but I still wouldn't suggest using zfs on i386 (vs. amd64) | 18:27 |
| Macer | ok that's gross | 18:27 |
| glass__ | we had a store(it still is there) at valkeakoski where you could buy porno, cd's, console games and homewine equipment | 18:28 |
| Macer | kirma: using 2 1.8GHz opertons | 18:28 |
| Macer | opterons | 18:28 |
| Macer | socket 940. they're amd64s | 18:28 |
| Macer | i use opensolaris on it now | 18:28 |
| Macer | but that is the last ditch effort | 18:28 |
| kirma | ah well | 18:28 |
| Macer | if it isn't hardware | 18:28 |
| kirma | well, I was referring to architecture of FreeBSD using it, i386 kernel vs amd64 kernel | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | glass__: ... | 18:29 |
| Macer | oh | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | that's the one my classmates went to... | 18:29 |
| kirma | i386 tends to have a bit too little kernel memory available no matter what. | 18:29 |
| glass__ | haha :DDD | 18:29 |
| glass__ | yeh, they sold to minors | 18:29 |
| Macer | kirma: i see. i'll keep that in mind but i never had any plans to use it on anything less than a 64bit kernel | 18:30 |
| kirma | but anyway, I don't think trying zfs with at least less than 4 gigabytes of memory makes much sense, because it really isn't intended for that, and nobody has cared to trim it down too much | 18:30 |
| * Myrtti feels old | 18:30 | |
| Macer | but like i said. tha was the final solution ;) | 18:30 |
| Macer | well. the server has 8G | 18:30 |
| Macer | and an 8TB raid | 18:30 |
| penguinbait | how old is Myrtti? | 18:30 |
| kirma | situation with zfs has probably improved with 8.0, but still, looking at freebsd wiki for tuning is a good idea | 18:31 |
| coldboot | I have a complicated problem with Scratchbox. | 18:31 |
| Macer | kirma: i will if i have to install. but right now i'm going ot give it a good cleaning and check the thermal compound | 18:31 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: 29 | 18:31 |
| Macer | maybe buy some slim heatsinks for the memory just to make sure it isn't a thermal issue | 18:31 |
| penguinbait | Now I feel old :( | 18:31 |
| kirma | macer: ok :) | 18:31 |
| Macer | Myrtti: don't feel too bad. i turned 30 in july :) | 18:31 |
| Macer | i shed a tear | 18:32 |
| coldboot | When we run our SCons build, /scratchbox/tools/bin/python gets invoked, regardless of what the SConstruct file says at the top (#/usr/bin/foo, or whatever), however, when I move /scratchbox/tools/bin/python out of the way, os it's forced to use /usr/bin/python, things like mkdir don't work. | 18:32 |
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| * glass__ is 28 | 18:32 | |
| coldboot | I get errors like: /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkdir: No such file or directory | 18:32 |
| Macer | glass__: enjoy the last 2 years of prime life | 18:32 |
| penguinbait | is 37 | 18:32 |
| Macer | :) | 18:32 |
| coldboot | As if Scratchbox depends on its version of python to run mkdir... | 18:32 |
| coldboot | Does anyone know how to get around this problem? | 18:32 |
| Macer | wow... penguinbait is REALLY old | 18:32 |
| Macer | haha | 18:32 |
| penguinbait | heh | 18:32 |
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| Macer | i feel a lot better now | 18:32 |
| coldboot | I want ONLY SCons to be invoked by my version of Python... | 18:32 |
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| penguinbait | hey, I was 34 when I got here, you got plenty good years left ;) | 18:33 |
| Macer | ah well. i'm going to take another nap and try to sleep away this sickness | 18:34 |
| glass__ | Macer: well, i'm at the age crisis by acceleration by having to quit booze already i think.. | 18:34 |
| Macer | glass__: blah. booze isn't that fun | 18:34 |
| Macer | it tastes horrible and makes you feel sick afterwards | 18:34 |
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| Macer | i'm not much of a drinker anymore | 18:34 |
| Myrtti | the afforementioned school has been shut down couple of years ago and now even the upper secondary has moved | 18:34 |
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| glass__ | Macer: thats why i know these gazillion drinks to make it taste good | 18:34 |
| Myrtti | that's why I feel old :-( | 18:35 |
| glass__ | yeh.. apia | 18:35 |
| Myrtti | so many, many years ago | 18:35 |
| Macer | glass__: but that doesn't help with the poisoning ;) | 18:35 |
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| penguinbait | <---- loves irish car bombs | 18:35 |
| penguinbait | Guinness with a shot of Irish cream | 18:35 |
| penguinbait | m | 18:35 |
| glass__ | Macer: nope.. but finnish culture is based around boozing, so without it i'd have to go fundie christian or something and that doesn't suit me | 18:35 |
| penguinbait | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 18:35 |
| Macer | glass__: sounds like the russians | 18:36 |
| Macer | :) | 18:36 |
| Macer | in communist russia we drink for war vodka | 18:36 |
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| * Myrtti has a perfect excuse of staying sober - bf doesn't drink - he's from UK :-D | 18:36 | |
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| glass__ | Macer: yeh it's pretty russian | 18:36 |
| Macer | Myrtti: the english are drunkards too | 18:36 |
| Macer | in iraq the first thing the british would set up is the bar :) | 18:37 |
| Macer | they are the only ones i ever saw that had a pub tent haha | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | gimme a pint mate | 18:37 |
| Myrtti | everyone I've met has known how to pace themselves | 18:37 |
| Myrtti | which can't be said about the Finns | 18:37 |
| glass__ | of uk's? | 18:37 |
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| glass__ | everytime i go to spain some briton tries to buy xtc from me | 18:37 |
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| Myrtti | glass__: yeah | 18:38 |
| Macer | well. i'll ttyl. have to get back to doing nothing for a couple more days while this sickness has control over my body | 18:38 |
| glass__ | i guess thats better than when i went to provinssirock and some guy tried to score needles from me | 18:38 |
| Macer | haha | 18:38 |
| Macer | now that is something inever understood | 18:39 |
| Macer | getting hooked on crack and herion | 18:39 |
| Macer | or even worse.. meth | 18:39 |
| glass__ | i had a long trenchcoat, a tshirti with "f ck - all i need is you" and torn jeans with cpu's in them | 18:39 |
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| glass__ | -you +u | 18:39 |
| Macer | with cpus in them? | 18:39 |
| Macer | wtf? | 18:39 |
| glass__ | like patches | 18:40 |
| glass__ | to keep them from tearing more | 18:40 |
| Macer | you had cpus for patches? | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | I've used videotape as may day streamers | 18:40 |
| glass__ | the legs on cpu's make them really easy to put on | 18:40 |
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| Myrtti | brilliant idea | 18:40 |
| Macer | that is way too hackers the movie | 18:40 |
| Macer | :) | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | ♥ Hackers | 18:41 |
| skyfox | hello. i have Mac OS X as my desktop system and Debian linux as the server. i intend to develop some Maemo software on the Linux server, accessed via ssh from the Mac. can i now display the SDK UI on the Mac somehow? | 18:41 |
| glass__ | and used cpu's.. what the f would one do with them anyways? | 18:41 |
| skyfox | X11 forwarding? | 18:42 |
| skyfox | the maemo docs talks about Xephyr | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | VNC might be a good shot too | 18:43 |
| skyfox | you mean like i would install a desktop system on the server first? | 18:43 |
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| Macer | wow i hope maemo 5 doesn't have a market | 18:45 |
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| skyfox | why not? | 18:45 |
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| glass__ | skyfox: you're maybe not familiar with nokias market tryouts | 18:47 |
| skyfox | i am afraid not | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | skyfox, I think you can install just Xephyr on the debian linux server | 18:49 |
| skyfox | i think so too :/ | 18:49 |
| glass__ | pretty much nobody is apart from the people involved, which i guess is one of the main problems | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | and then display the Xephyr over remote X to your mac | 18:49 |
| skyfox | what happens if i just forward the SDK UI via X11 on my Mac desktop? | 18:50 |
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| ShadowJK | dunno | 18:51 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect it tries to take over your mac | 18:51 |
| skyfox | by setting the DISPLAY env var | 18:51 |
| skyfox | haha :P | 18:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Do all X11 apps live inside a "X" window on mac, separated from "native" apps? | 18:52 |
| skyfox | they live on their own windows | 18:52 |
| skyfox | or you can also enable fullscreen | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | Well, the purpose of the SDK UI is to have an environment resembling the one on the device, so you can test how the GUI in your app acts | 18:53 |
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| ShadowJK | So even if you could display your program on the mac, displaying it on the Mac's environment with the huge screen isn't very useful | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | run Xephyr on the mac. | 18:53 |
| javispedro | because they have a native Xephyr, don't they? :P | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | or that :) | 18:53 |
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| * crashanddie_ wants to die | 18:54 | |
| crashanddie_ | last days of FY are the worst | 18:54 |
| lcuksuxcox | Please do | 18:54 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuksuxcox: what's up? | 18:54 |
| * javispedro deduces lcuksuxcox is qwerty | 18:56 | |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuksuxcox is signed on as account qwerty12 | 18:57 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm guessing you're right javispedro | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 18:57 |
| javispedro | lcuksuxcox: busted! Show us your real form now! | 18:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | What the fuck are you on about? | 18:59 |
| crashanddie_ | [16:57] == lcuksuxcox [n=Faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk] [16:57] == realname : Faheem Pervez | 18:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh shit, I'm being impersonated | 18:59 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810: if you want to be a troll, do it properly | 18:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: someone really hates you | 18:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: It is kinda hard to troll when you can find me changing my nick... | 19:00 |
| crashanddie_ | I misread that | 19:01 |
| javispedro | heh. | 19:01 |
| crashanddie_ | very small font, "n" followed by an "i" looks like "di" | 19:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuksuxcox: anyway, change the nickname, this channel is supposed to be family friendly for fucking hell's sake | 19:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's your craving, not mine... | 19:02 |
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| javispedro | crashanddie: qwerty12 is a channel OP, so... | 19:03 |
| javispedro | well, I would be careful, so to speak ;) | 19:03 |
| * qwerty12_N810 is not | 19:03 | |
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| crashanddie_ | javispedro: if they gave op power to a prepubescent child, well, they had it coming I guess | 19:04 |
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| javispedro | _insert random rant about southerners here_ | 19:04 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: by the way, you're up way too early. At your age I was sleeping until 2PM on a daily basis | 19:05 |
| crashanddie_ | System.out.println("createUser 4TRESS FtressException with reason " + "[(Exception class =" + e.getClass().getName() + ")" + "(ErrorCode =" + e.getErrorCode() + ")" + "(Exception Reference =" + e.getReference() + ")" + "(Message =" + e.getMessage() + ")" + "(LocalizedMessage =" + e.getLocalizedMessage() + ")" + "]"); | 19:05 |
| crashanddie_ | woops, sorry | 19:05 |
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| penguinbait | I was sleeping until it was time to go to the bar and start all over again | 19:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | At his age, you were in prison and dropping the soap on purpose | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: Must resist code review. Starting with tabs for indent... ;-) | 19:06 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: actually, that's on multiple lines | 19:06 |
| lcuk | and spaces to align multiple arguments | 19:06 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: webchat removed the linefeeds | 19:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you should adhere to family friendly more than anyone | 19:06 |
| lcuk | you rant with purpose | 19:07 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, get rid of it | 19:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: so I take it you didn't spot the unmissable irony of my statement? | 19:07 |
| lcuk | not really, im havin a shit last couple of days | 19:08 |
| lcuk | bbl | 19:08 |
| lcuk | thanks q | 19:08 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: chill, take a pill, everyone is having shit days these days | 19:08 |
| lcuk | mmm dunno - i just mothballed more projects and lost more bits than ever in 10 years. | 19:10 |
| * Jaffa 's day feels remarkably stress free now that the new council is in place :) | 19:10 | |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa: so your company is not shitting itself because of FY end? | 19:11 |
| lcuk | i bet it does jaffa | 19:11 |
| ds3 | l | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: but the reputation that you gained from being an evil Maemo.org Council member will remain | 19:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, different companies have different fy - lots are april afaik | 19:13 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, the council was good for jaffa | 19:13 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: hmm, didn't know that | 19:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, I have class around 9:30 AM most morning this semester. | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | did you not read his last post :P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: I was being sarcastic, I hoped saying that "Maemo.org Council" would have been enough to show this... | 19:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | -that | 19:14 |
| lcuk | Maemo.Org is usually enough to grate on gen | 19:14 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12: nope, looked more like you finally gave in and went for the ive-got-no-clue-what-the-differences-are-and-just-lob-everything-together type of person | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, people's irony detectors have been failing on you lately. | 19:14 |
| * javispedro deletes half his desktop icons in a rage of cleanness. | 19:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, clearly you're an idiot, qwerty12. :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i create a folder called "old" | 19:15 |
| lcuk | and drop 90% into it | 19:15 |
| crashanddie_ | cleanliness | 19:15 |
| lcuk | ive got perhaps 30 or so generations of this | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | i can go back years | 19:15 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: and click "Yes" when it asks "This folder already contains a file named todo.txt" | 19:16 |
| crashanddie_ | ? | 19:16 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I do that sometimes, but then delete the entiro old folder the next morning >:) | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: I must be :( | 19:16 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12: you're far from being an idiot | 19:16 |
| crashanddie_ | well, coming from me that musn't be very reassuring | 19:16 |
| javispedro | er... | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, you're a fucking retard. :P | 19:16 |
| fatal^ | having problem setting up the maemo sdk with the automatic script... seems packages are broken which prevents setting up the chroots ... does anyone have any hints on how to get a working setup up and running? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | fatal^, at what point is it failing | 19:17 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: yup, first step would be to tell us what's failing exactly | 19:17 |
| lcuk | and is it cos of things like connectivity | 19:17 |
| lcuk | or bec ause you have a non std os | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | I don't care if you lick windows, take the special bus or occasionally pee on yourself. You hang in there, sunshine – you're friggin' special. | 19:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | penguinbait: lmao | 19:17 |
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| * lcuk thinks qwerty12 is cool :) he hacks and helps more people than lots of community members | 19:18 | |
| lcuk | ive not seen anyone more willing to get involved and try to help a problem | 19:18 |
| javispedro | ah, thank god my irony detector is still working, or else I would've believed those kind wods for qwerty | 19:18 |
| crashanddie_ | s/lots of community members/most community members united/ | 19:18 |
| fatal^ | I'm on ubuntu karmic (because my debian sid computer is amd64 which apparently is a no-go)... It fails during apt installing packages, apt bails out after too many errors (packages left unconfigured).... I'm just running the script again and will check the first failure message. | 19:19 |
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| fatal^ | (I have used ~/opt/scratchbox instead of /scratchbox because /home is where the free space can be found.) | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: No, you've got it wrong. I'm an ex-evil Maemo Council member. Change position of "ex-" to suit ;-) | 19:20 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: ~ as in /home/fatal ? | 19:20 |
| * lardman pours a beer | 19:20 | |
| lardman | cheers Jaffa | 19:20 |
| fatal^ | crashanddie_: /home/gem but yeah. | 19:21 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: and sudo/apt is supposed to know that, how exactly? | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to poke this guy about /opt? http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php | 19:21 |
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| fatal^ | crashanddie_: apt runs in a chroot I hope, so it shouldn't see that. | 19:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | fatal^: ok, let's try to be sensible here | 19:22 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: what part is failing? When apt-getting stuff *inside* scratchbox? Or in Ubuntu? | 19:22 |
| fatal^ | in scratchbox.. | 19:22 |
| penguinbait | is networking working in scratchbox? | 19:22 |
| fatal^ | when configuring the armel packages. | 19:22 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: <fatal^> I'm on ubuntu karmic (because my debian sid computer is amd64 which apparently is a no-go)... It fails during apt installing packages, apt bails out after too many errors | 19:22 |
| penguinbait | is DNS resolving within scratchbox? | 19:22 |
| crashanddie_ | fatal^: copy the error in a pastebin | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh. Somebody needs to get this guy some screen protectors. http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/n900_18.jpg | 19:24 |
| javispedro | aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh | 19:24 |
| javispedro | look at all the stylus keyboard keys! | 19:24 |
| javispedro | :P | 19:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Typical stylus user ;) | 19:24 |
| penguinbait | ouch! | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | n900 looks very stylish when sat with its brothren | 19:25 |
| Vulcanis | I filed down my stilus tip | 19:25 |
| Vulcanis | it had a piece of plastic that was scratching the screen | 19:25 |
| Vulcanis | well, gouging. | 19:25 |
| Vulcanis | so thats probably his problem | 19:25 |
| penguinbait | add a diamond tip | 19:25 |
| Vulcanis | the n900 looks too small :( | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | It's a phone. I don't know about you, but I don't like holding bricks up to my ear :) | 19:26 |
| penguinbait | I dont want a phone, I want a computer ;) | 19:26 |
| penguinbait | with a bigger screen | 19:26 |
| penguinbait | is nobody listening? | 19:26 |
| Myrtti | no | 19:27 |
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| penguinbait | ok so I got my phone replacement, now I need a new tablet | 19:27 |
| Vulcanis | n800+vnc or shared x11 with the 900? | 19:28 |
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| * GeneralAntilles registers on My-Symbian to set some facts straight. . . . | 19:29 | |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: good luck. | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | I wandered around their forum for a bit.... there's quite a bit of "facts straighting work" to do. | 19:30 |
| javispedro | otoh, the reviewer did a (99%) great job. | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12 | He doesn't seem to be Eldar (read: a tosser who walks around with his head up his ass) so he'll probably listen | 19:31 |
| javispedro | yeah, invite him to tmo and see if he brings some sanity | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | He's already registered | 19:31 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | konttori__: your transitioncontrol stuff may actually bring fremantle desktop to N8x0, heh :) turning them down makes things a lot more lightweight | 19:32 |
| konttori__ | cool! | 19:32 |
| konttori__ | also makes device more snappy | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, examples? | 19:33 |
| * javispedro fails at c++ | 19:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, wrongness about /opt and application installation memory. | 19:33 |
| javispedro | var = new Object(); free(var) | 19:33 |
| javispedro | *sigh* | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | konttori__: while not on n8x0, blurrycam video: http://blip.tv/file/2658172 | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | testing n8x0 later tonight | 19:34 |
| * frals moans a bit and wants the final SDK to see how open the messaging bit is | 19:34 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: still it seems to react a bit slow, why would that happen? | 19:35 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: he registered on t.m.o btw, but I assume youve seen that by now | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: bad TS on q5 probably.. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i have abused that poor thing a tad | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: but there's a bunch of knobs i haven't adjusted yet | 19:35 |
| javispedro | ah. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | "Oh, why couldn't you be a Nokia? *sobs*" | 19:35 |
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| lardman | ~lart Windows' CR/LF rubbishness | 19:36 |
| * infobot executes killall -TERM Windows' CR/LF rubbishness | 19:36 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: can't see on the video but, is that trying to blur the background? I was thinking that for the slowdown | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it tries but i've removed the transition a bit.. may need to cut that part as well | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think the slowdown is just cos i haven't cut the right places :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | this is mostly a proof of concept | 19:37 |
| javispedro | I see, just wondering. ;P | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be speeding fast with GL drivers :P | 19:38 |
| javispedro | on the PalmOS there was an app trying to add transitions to dialogs too | 19:38 |
| javispedro | can't remember the name | 19:38 |
| fatal^ | crashanddie_: http://fatal.se/tmp/msdk.txt ... the first package that fails seems to be "hal" although there are weird looking errors before that as well. | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | fatal^: "mmap: permission denied". Hint: read the release notes and search for "mmap" | 19:39 |
| fatal^ | qwerty12: thanks | 19:39 |
| javispedro | well, can't remember the name. but I am telling this because i remember it having a blur effect much like the fremantle one, written in asm. quite fast. | 19:40 |
| penguinbait | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=336124&postcount=13 | 19:40 |
| penguinbait | heh | 19:40 |
| konttori__ | Stskeeps: runs almost usably fast | 19:40 |
| konttori__ | blurring of the bg can also be disabled | 19:41 |
| konttori__ | just look at /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | i edited it directly after i realised what your code did | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | konttori__, hi! new drnoksnes should be in extras-devel :) | 19:42 |
| konttori__ | I saw it. | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | (there's a bug I noticed just after uploading but it should only affect n8x0 | 19:43 |
| javispedro | ) | 19:43 |
| konttori__ | javispedro: wait just a moment and the video is uploaded to youtube | 19:43 |
| * javispedro fustigates himself for forgetting about the "don't write free()"whean you mean delete in C++" rule. | 19:44 | |
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| javispedro | konttori__: cool! | 19:44 |
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| BluesLee | hi, how many people from nokia work officially on maemo? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | BluesLee: difficult ot qu | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | to quantify i guess | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | My last guess was in the ~200 person range. | 19:45 |
| javispedro | eldas has a list lol :) | 19:46 |
| aSIMULAter | blueslee: A MILLION BILLION | 19:46 |
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| javispedro | s/eldas/eldar | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: he also thinks wazd is a nokian | 19:46 |
| konttori__ | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 19:46 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: okay, i guessed much less:-) | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, that would've been true a year or two ago. | 19:46 |
| frals | awesome konttori__ :D | 19:46 |
| * javispedro sees he fscked the GUI | 19:46 | |
| javispedro | (again) | 19:46 |
| aSIMULAter | ahhh the button sizes :P | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn that's fast. | 19:47 |
| aSIMULAter | yay for dr nok snes \o/ my favourite app | 19:47 |
| konttori__ | odd. audio is totally wasted. | 19:47 |
| javispedro | hmm... that is quite a regression. | 19:47 |
| frals | your kid is crying in the background thou ;) | 19:47 |
| konttori__ | yeah. thus. sort video | 19:47 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: 200 is much, so nokia seems to be serious with the further development | 19:48 |
| javispedro | wow. verrry nice | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, I'd say its the new flagship platform. | 19:48 |
| frals | really cool stuff, cant wait to get my hands on it :) | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, no matter how much the Nokia execs want to dissemble on that point. | 19:49 |
| cosmo | konttori__: whoa.. gotta try that. looks great | 19:49 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: i hope so and if the complete switch to qt is done also for symbian there will be much more synergy | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, interesting times ahead. | 19:50 |
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| _berto_ | snes looks fine on the n900 | 19:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's SSD gets here today. | 19:50 | |
| frals | which one? | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X25-m 80GB v.2 | 19:51 |
| frals | tasty :) | 19:51 |
| _berto_ | i'll have to port the spectrum emulator -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mOY1pXYS0 | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, I downgraded from a 2-drive RAID 0 so things have been slow while I'm waiting. ;) | 19:52 |
| frals | lol | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I hate how forums can't agree on how much whitespace to automatically insert after a quote block. | 19:52 |
| frals | what are you doing that requires that kind of disk bandwidth? :) | 19:53 |
| crashanddie_ | I can't believe that the community went into such lengths to implement an anonymous voting system | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, nothing in particular. | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | f | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | r | 19:53 |
| crashanddie_ | but that in the end, nearly everyone voted on the bloody forums, in a logged system... | 19:53 |
| penguinbait | I am not personally a fan of STV voting | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe we put so much work into getting things arranged so more people could vote and hardly any of them did. | 19:54 |
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| frals | im quite happy with my wd velociraptor 300 still.. but im probably gonna fall for temptation and get an SSD soon | 19:54 |
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| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: which is exactly why I have always been *against* the karma requirements | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, never went the Raptor route. I'll let you know how the SSD feels. | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | GA, did we really have 900+ voters in the 1st election? | 19:55 |
| crashanddie_ | was more around 600 IIRC | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, yes, but that was out of about 14,000 eligible voters. | 19:55 |
| crashanddie_ | however my memory might fail me | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was 900 and change. | 19:56 |
| crashanddie_ | k | 19:56 |
| penguinbait | so why was it restricted to begin with? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | it got GA voted in so restrictions were needed? ;) | 19:56 |
| crashanddie_ | penguinbait: because some people thought that trolls were going to create accounts to fake the voting results | 19:56 |
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| penguinbait | ah | 19:56 |
| crashanddie_ | penguinbait: personally I always thought that we were way to arrogant to assume such a thing | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, that, and attempting to limit the electorate to people who are likely to be informed. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since name recognition isn't the most appropriate of voting metrics. | 19:57 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: and history proved us that only informed people voted | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the council isn't a power position ANYWAY. . . . | 19:57 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: and the rest who didn't give a rat's ass... didn't give a rat's ass | 19:57 |
| penguinbait | heh | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that kinda wonders me though - shouldn't council be a power position? :P as in, the council together, not a council member | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a facilitation role, not an administrative one. | 19:58 |
| crashanddie_ | here comes the Jedi Council fantasy again | 19:58 |
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| woglinde | *g* | 19:58 |
| penguinbait | either way the election went off mostly without problems, good job to dneary | 19:58 |
| crashanddie_ | *cough* except for the wrong dates *cough* | 19:58 |
| woglinde | hm why I didnt get a voting token | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: it's a conspiracy to have time to alter the votes! :P | 19:59 |
| crashanddie_ | woglinde: because your nickname starts with a w | 19:59 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 19:59 |
| penguinbait | Can the council vote lcuk king? | 19:59 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a administrative council. facilitation can be left to employees and volunteers. facilitating the facilitators. | 19:59 | |
| woglinde | I suppose they were out at M | 19:59 |
| crashanddie_ | woglinde: and this year round, voting tokens were only sent to a-v users | 19:59 |
| penguinbait | Can the council vote qwerty12 court jestor | 20:00 |
| crashanddie_ | does that require a vote? | 20:00 |
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| woglinde | lunch now | 20:00 |
| penguinbait | furry council has decided | 20:01 |
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| VDVsx | penguinbait, http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=1 | 20:02 |
| penguinbait | alright where are the hires pictures of qwerty? | 20:02 |
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| penguinbait | thx | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, as long as the king gets paid | 20:06 |
| penguinbait | its up to you to collect your taxes | 20:06 |
| lcuk | mrs lcuk is sending me to work the mines soon :( | 20:06 |
| konttori__ | can wepromote drnoksnes to extras? | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | konttori__, where do you get roms from | 20:07 |
| konttori__ | 20:07 | |
| qwerty12 | Good answer | 20:07 |
| * lcuk sees loads of people playing but cant find a legit source for them | 20:08 | |
| konttori__ | well. of course. i copied from my old cartridge | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | I dont have a legit source, but I can zip some up for ya | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | shhhhhh | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | i would *really* like to properly talk to game companies etc and get a proper legit emulator for this platform | 20:08 |
| lcuk | do something different. | 20:09 |
| konttori__ | would nintendo do it? i doubt it | 20:09 |
| lcuk | no i doubt they would | 20:09 |
| lcuk | but others might | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | this platform is built on collaboration | 20:09 |
| VDVsx | if you've the original cartridge you can use the roms, right ? | 20:09 |
| lcuk | so try working with the companies | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Legit emulators suck. They only have a purpose when someone hacks them to run your own roms, like with the PSP's PSX emulator | 20:10 |
| lcuk | yes VDVsx but you cant play and charge at the same time :D lol | 20:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, trying to rise above and think about something proper here :P | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Please do that. Legit emulators are good in the sense that the company will be able to get the emulation perfect | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | I'll be waiting for the hacked version | 20:11 |
| javispedro | erm... | 20:11 |
| VDVsx | konttori__, btw, javispedro is the package maintainer ^ | 20:11 |
| lcuk | lol javispedro this is just same thing i spoke to you about the other night | 20:11 |
| javispedro | lcuk, yeah, I know, but yet I'm still worried by same reasons :) | 20:12 |
| lcuk | is drnoksnes oss? | 20:12 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yes. gpl compatible. | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | then you understand copyright - and rightfully dont (intentionally) break it | 20:14 |
| javispedro | konttori__: did you mention something about audio being wrong in drnoksnes? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | you dont insert dodgy games with it etc so that part cant be a concern | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 20:14 |
| konttori__ | javispedro: audio is perfect | 20:14 |
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| konttori__ | just that my video has distorted audio | 20:15 |
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| javispedro | ah! misread then. *sound of relief* | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | does there is know problem with alarmd on diablo ? | 20:15 |
| konttori__ | really off | 20:15 |
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| konttori__ | javispedro: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: there's an odd problem with alarms i think | 20:15 |
| konttori__ | watch the video | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: why would anyone ship roms with their free emulator? | 20:15 |
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| Khertan_n810 | stskeeps: does there is things to avoid ? | 20:15 |
| javispedro | konttori__: yes, saw it, very cool and thanks for the video! | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: not sure, but rumours claim there's bugs | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | Although, RST38h does do that with his calculators (not that I mind/care)... | 20:16 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: then TI has even released some of the roms "for free" AFAIK. | 20:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Wouldn't know about that. *shrug* | 20:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps there is as i m trying to add alarm in python and they never show up | 20:17 |
| Vulcanis | javis: I'm pretty sure they've released all of them | 20:17 |
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| Vulcanis | they make bank off the calculators | 20:17 |
| lcuk | we run with Ti inside | 20:17 |
| Vulcanis | since schools won't let you use laptops on tests | 20:17 |
| Vulcanis | but thats only for calcs | 20:17 |
| lcuk | i bet theres a way to run calc stuff outside | 20:17 |
| lcuk | but thats another thing entirely | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | only goes to proof they have a more "libel" approach than certain other company... | 20:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and python binding does return always the same type of obj ... strange ... | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | sometime an osso.alarmd() sometime a dict | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | strange | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... maybe i shouldn t try to use it anymore and do it myself | 20:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but it means a daemon working in background and alarm not working while device is turned off | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | too bad ! | 20:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | oh community election result ! | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | oh ..; sniff lcuk not elected ! | 20:23 |
| Vulcanis | they rigged the vote | 20:23 |
| Vulcanis | fucking diebold | 20:23 |
| Vulcanis | I demand a recount | 20:23 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 20:23 | |
| * SpeedEvil was backing lcuk! | 20:23 | |
| * frals wouldve backed le coq if he filled the voting reqs | 20:24 | |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, i am still a member of this community (for about 2 weeks if no job comes up) | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | What happens after two weeks? *moves finger across throat*? | 20:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | two weeks only ? | 20:25 |
| penguinbait | lcuk received the 3rd highest # of total votes yet did not get a seat on council. | 20:25 |
| penguinbait | its a conspiracy | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | no job come up ? <<< | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: wouldn't you have been pushed out if it was regular voting? :P | 20:25 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, cool | 20:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, tomorrow is my last day in my job of 9 years. | 20:25 |
| frals | lcuk: you shouldve joined the guys doing the chopper heist in sweden, they made away with 67m SEK (~6.5million €) | 20:26 |
| penguinbait | Stskeeps, nope | 20:26 |
| lcuk | i had to make a decision because i could not get onedotzero finished in time - and my boss would not give me holidays | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | uh ? how old are you ? | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | onedotzero . | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 20:26 |
| * SpeedEvil bets on 32. | 20:26 | |
| lcuk | i was not about to let down all the people in the collaborative get together and the thousands of folks who passed by | 20:27 |
| konttori__ | javispedro: and sorry for not having the time to do it properly. Had to take care of the baby. And now I might have the time, but the video is already done. | 20:27 |
| konttori__ | perhaps a new one later on. | 20:28 |
| javispedro | konttori__: hehe, don't worry, I understand :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | konttori__, heard baby in the video | 20:28 |
| lcuk | she must be gettin big now | 20:28 |
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| konttori__ | 5 months, and exploring everything | 20:29 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders the 4chan generation. | 20:29 | |
| liori | hello, i am considering buying n810 or n900; i am a bit anxious about short timespan for support for n770 -- would my n900 still get bugfixes for closed source software pieces after two years? | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | konttori__, :D | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | liori: I would expect that a substantial effort would be made by the community to replace some of the closed bits of the 900. | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | liori: Especially if it gets popular | 20:30 |
| konttori__ | liori: one year of updates has been promised | 20:30 |
| inz | konttori, no tests of tablet saliva-proofness? | 20:31 |
| inz | ...yes | 20:31 |
| inz | yet even | 20:31 |
| liori | I have a freerunner now and I am very disappointed at the software; a year after releasing it to the community and it still is not very usable... so I'd rather not count on the community :/ | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | FR is kind of an utterly, utterly different case. | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmoko really screwed up by the numbers. | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | They had a phone software stack which could have been workable - clunky and unpretty but sms/calls/... by xmas 2007. | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - the hardware wasn't ideal - but it'd have worked. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lion, well, you can already see the community at work here. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 20:33 |
| infobot | hmm... mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | They diddn't actually fix key kernel drivers till quite recently though - getting stuff suspending forex. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/lion/liori/ | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 starts out at a _much_ higher base level. | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Even without the closed bits | 20:34 |
| konttori__ | there is very little closed in fremantle | 20:34 |
| liori | where can I read about the closed code? | 20:34 |
| * SpeedEvil echos liori's question. | 20:35 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I haven't seen a nice breakdown of the closed parts. | 20:35 |
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| MaceN8x0 | damn batteries died in my mce remote | 20:36 |
| konttori__ | well, it's like, a few apps, some drivers and that's it | 20:36 |
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| MaceN8x0 | wow people who do literature are worse than ubuntu people | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | konttori__: Sure - so far I guess the media player, the battery charging stuff, and that's all I know | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | konttori__: some of the X server? | 20:38 |
| konttori__ | sgx drivers | 20:39 |
| javispedro | the sketching app? ;) | 20:39 |
| Sargun_Screen | Mer vs. Maemo | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | More relevantly. | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | What is the current state of a completely opensource n900 | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | does it boot? Make calls? ... | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: noone really tried | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | it takes the hw to try | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | frankly, let's not worry too much. | 20:40 |
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| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: why do you want a 100% OSS N900? | 20:44 |
| Corsac | why wouldn't he want that? | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Sargun_Screen: I want - when/if nokia decides 'bored now' - that my shiny n900 can for example have an updated kernel that works with all the peripherals. | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: ah, kernel you shouldn't be worried about.. that part is open source | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (neglecting for the moment that it'd likely be somewhat scrached now) | 20:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | By kernel I mean kernel and core userspace daemons that are required for functionality | 20:46 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: no binary modules for various devices? | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | not AFAIK | 20:46 |
| Corsac | that's nice | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - battery charge | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: rest shouldn't be a problem .. the solution already exists legally as well but just not implemented | 20:46 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: binary modules are illegal | 20:47 |
| lcuk | bah | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | unfortunate | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but not illegal | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Binary modules are illegal, but lots of vendors do the binarey = shim thing. | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah :/ | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: do you have a trigger on 'open'? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm looking for the same thing as you | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: we should exchange notes :p | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | maybe a wiki is in order | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no, blame God for alerting me ;) | 20:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "OSS & insanity"? | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | speaking personally - I don't care _at_all_ if it's all closed kernelspace and drivers - as long as nokia keeps updating it for - say - 8 years. | 20:48 |
| * lcuk stands with qwerty | 20:49 | |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: also, note Nokia's record-- gpsdriver doesn't work with current kernels and probably never will | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: -.- | 20:49 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, no, what i would want is : whenever nokia stops updating it - then its opened | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: or that | 20:49 |
| lcuk | replace nokia with any company | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: that would be decent ;) | 20:49 |
| javispedro | that would be great | 20:49 |
| lcuk | help prevent bitrot for used products | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - you're talking to a nutter here. | 20:50 |
| javispedro | but the only way for that to ever happen would be ... to enforce it by law, which sounds crazy. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally want specification on firmware and a JTAG port for my microwave and car. | 20:50 |
| lcuk | consider it for the good of mankind | 20:50 |
| Corsac | I personnally want a car *without* a firmware | 20:50 |
| derf | lcuk: If it was good for mankind, then mankind would be willing to pay Nokia for it. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'm actually semi-seriously considering installing linux on my microwave. | 20:51 |
| lcuk | mankind pays nokia for the devices dont they | 20:51 |
| javispedro | mankind does not know what's good for him, or else they would not be buying so many iphones...</irony reason_of_tag="broken sarcasm detectors lately"> | 20:51 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, why not - microsoft windows on microwaves is silly | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | bbiab | 20:51 |
| Vulcanis | iphones are only bought because they contain MSG | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: I don't mind firmware if it's open. | 20:52 |
| javispedro | MSG=Mass Suicidal Gratitude? | 20:52 |
| Vulcanis | no | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: My real objection to car electronics is that with minor standardisation, one ECU could do 95% of the cars out there _cheaply- | 20:52 |
| Vulcanis | monosodium glutimate. Something that makes things tastier and arguably addictive | 20:52 |
| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: You basically want to build an os, given the hardware? | 20:52 |
| * javispedro fails at getting que chemistry reference ;) | 20:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | Sargun_Screen: no - I want stuff to be maintainable by end users, rather than bit-rotting, or being hideously expensive to maintain due to silly requirements. | 20:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nahhh its the same with lots of computerised and system things - you have years of standardisation and suppliers and everythign for that manu | 20:53 |
| lcuk | and retooling just because is a bad idea | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | now if there was a way for all to coordinate and end up on a strong ecu or XYZ system over time then great - but that happens already | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 95%+ of cars engines can be run _just_fine_ with a common ECU. For that ECU to cost a large fraction of the price of the car is insane. | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | no, it doesn't. | 20:54 |
| lcuk | so your 95% one either is too young, or not right | 20:54 |
| lcuk | look at tryes | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Point to _one_ ECU model - other than megasquirt or similar - that is common over more than a very small range of one manufacturers cars. | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | tyres | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats what im saying - your 95% perfect model is either too young, or does not beat the one they have now | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm talking here of stiff that the vendors have managed to maintain a exclusive lock on - car electronics for example. | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: No, it doesn't beat it at all. It's as cheap as the existing control unit, and available - in principle - cheaply from many vendors. | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which of course would decrease profits. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | But it leads to insanities like 400 quid to replace a key. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | ok - so replace that and kill off the entire supply chain | 20:57 |
| lcuk | without them having anywhere else to go | 20:58 |
| lcuk | customers get a £10 key | 20:58 |
| lcuk | however many lose their jobs | 20:58 |
| konttori__ | wow, what a review of n900 http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php | 20:59 |
| lcuk | believe me - i dont want to pay £400 for a key (mines only ever been £30-50 afaik) and i would REALLY look after it if it was that much | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | no konttori__ a Preview | 21:00 |
| lcuk | it says as much in the link ;) | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | OMG! 's I get hold of a final unit, which shouldn't last longer than just a couple of weeks.' | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | What terrible reliability | 21:00 |
| lcuk | a very good one by all acocunts | 21:00 |
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| Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: what? | 21:03 |
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| derf | lcuk: Charging £400 for a key just so you can keep a few extra people employed is not helping anyone. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | whos up for a walk around amsterdam whilst we are there | 21:05 |
| derf | It's the classic Broken Window fallacy. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | no derf | 21:05 |
| lcuk | but ive never heard of a £400 key | 21:05 |
| lcuk | i thought it was metaphorical | 21:05 |
| derf | Oh, they're real. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | o_O yikes | 21:06 |
| derf | Hold on, let me dig up a URL. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Thre is also the lack of information and skill in the delearship. | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but - its like cpu switchovers - theres an awful lot of background that has to be considered | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | If your ECU doesn't work - they're essentially limited to replacing it. | 21:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Because all ECUs in all cars differ, you can't do sensible fault-finding often. | 21:07 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:07 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, my name is shown in one of the screenshots of that review, so it's a good review , lolol | 21:08 |
| * javispedro wants | 21:09 | |
| javispedro | *gadget drool* | 21:09 |
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| microlith | does anyone know if the N900's browser works with firefox extensions out of the box, or will they require modification? | 21:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: I find that the worst part of the entire review | 21:09 |
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| coldboot | microlith: I can test it for you in the next couple of days. My team leader is playing with the n900 right now. | 21:10 |
| microlith | ooh cool | 21:10 |
| coldboot | microlith: Any extension in particular? | 21:10 |
| microlith | adblock and noscript primarily | 21:10 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, eheheh, this time transmission wasn't shown :P | 21:10 |
| derf | lcuk: http://www.esquire.com/features/money/ESQ0205NEGO_114_1 | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: :p | 21:11 |
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| microlith | I'd ask for "rikai-chan" but that requires knowing more about the N900's language support | 21:11 |
| derf | The whole thing is good, if off-topic, but the key quote is, "I hate saying this, but we had a Camry last week that billed out at $1,200 for a new key." | 21:11 |
| RST38h | derf: Do they still make Camrys with normal locks? | 21:13 |
| derf | Gekk if I know. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Bad, bad sign... | 21:13 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: so, do you appear in that screenshot with the Music library sorted by Author? ;) | 21:13 |
| RST38h | http://www.hallysonluiz.com/maemo/?p=18 <=== Nokia PC Suite done right | 21:14 |
| * VDVsx checks | 21:14 | |
| RST38h | Somebody hire this guy =) | 21:14 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, link to the shot :P ? | 21:14 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: joking of course :) | 21:14 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr91_sm.jpg ;) | 21:14 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, nah, I want to know the level of your offense :P | 21:14 |
| javispedro | Then I won't say which one ;P | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the base model in 2008 was still normal. | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | D | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | unn | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | o ba | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno about now. | 21:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what's up with his Enter key. | 21:15 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sticky, by any chance? ;P | 21:16 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about s60ine | 21:16 | |
| VDVsx | javispedro, don't know any of them, lol | 21:16 |
| * javispedro wonders about s60ine flu | 21:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | (wine for s60 apps) | 21:16 |
| javispedro | oh, cool. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, think it's software. :\ | 21:17 |
| RST38h | General: You mean the real PC Suite? It has been a disaster for a few years now | 21:17 |
| RST38h | General: Written in Java, 89MB distro, runs background processes on your system, even when you are not running it | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Heh | 21:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h: wharrrgh. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | General: Slow and crashes every now and then, but that is expected (see Java) | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Camry | 21:18 |
| RST38h | General: Oh...Camry | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | Then I hope calendar can sync with anything else. | 21:18 |
| microlith | SpeedEvil: if nokia gets symbian out there under an open source license, it'd probably be great | 21:18 |
| * RST38h likes Camry. | 21:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 2004 5-speed. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | t's | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'lo, Sho_. | 21:21 |
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| Sho_ | moin GeneralAntilles | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | microlith, probably not terribly useful. Anyone sane wont touch it.. | 21:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | konttori__, ping | 21:25 |
| konttori__ | pong | 21:26 |
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| AndrewFBlack | konttori__, just wanted to make sure you where ok with my new theme for Diablo that looks is based of the template that comes with fremantle theme maker | 21:27 |
| konttori__ | of course. | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | is it downloadable yet? | 21:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | baasiclly tore template apart and rebuild it to match diablo had to create some stuff by hand but you know | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | and if so, where? | 21:27 |
| * Myrtti yips a bit | 21:28 | |
| AndrewFBlack | Myrtti, Not yet, but I'm sure I will have it done by end of the week | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | Yippee! | 21:28 |
| AndrewFBlack | konttori__, I'll be including credit to you anywhere I write about the theme since most of the it is based off your work | 21:29 |
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| liori | SpeedEvil, konttori__: thank you, i think i'm convinced | 21:29 |
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| konttori__ | AndrewFBlack: the template is cc and it is partially based on Tuomas Kuosmanens theme as well. There is an about file included that has the details | 21:30 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I thought it was CC but I always like to ask | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | blurrycam video of Fremantle hildon-desktop on N8x0 with SW rendering: http://blip.tv/file/2659691?filename=Stskeeps-FremantleDesktopSWRenderingN8x0175.flv | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | (ogv there too for those who are into ogv..) | 21:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | the scrolling screen is my bad N8x0's fault | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blurrycam indeed. | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | W | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | e | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | need | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | to g | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | et | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | UGH! | 21:37 |
| frals | lol | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to get you a real camera. | 21:37 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps++ | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: flooder | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, how much processing power does your webcam identification stuff need | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: heh, not a tablet thing thank god.. | 21:38 |
| lcuk | like the hough circles | 21:38 |
| lcuk | seriously - is it overpowering | 21:39 |
| lcuk | or could it be optimized | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 21:39 |
| lcuk | maybe considering n900 | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | someone should make a N900 app to scan barcodes on products and find what the best price is | 21:39 |
| lcuk | thats coming | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | so you can just point and see if the store has a ripoff price | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: how will you search products? :p | 21:39 |
| lcuk | 3g data | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | most stores don't put barcode info online | 21:40 |
| lcuk | and webscraping | 21:40 |
| lcuk | barcode is universal afaik | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | yeah but | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | you're lucky to get model numbers, let alone barcodes, on store sites | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 21:40 |
| lcuk | dunno how lardman is looking | 21:40 |
| lcuk | or the other guys | 21:40 |
| lardman | what's that? | 21:41 |
| lardman | just walked in | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:41 |
| lardman | ah yes, well I'm just hacking away at the webscraping stuff now | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | lardman: but how do you get from barcode -> webpage ? :p | 21:42 |
| lardman | send the barcode to the webpage, add it in the url, etc | 21:42 |
| timeless | if you build it, the web will come (and fill it)? | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | lardman: what webpage accepts barcodes? | 21:43 |
| lardman | ah I see | 21:43 |
| lardman | well you decode the barcode first to an EAN | 21:43 |
| lcuk | many accept barcodes - only a few will display related results | 21:43 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ | 21:43 |
| lardman | binary here | 21:43 |
| lcuk | shhhhhhhh lardman | 21:43 |
| lcuk | this is luke-jr you are talking to | 21:44 |
| lardman | still needs tuning mind you | 21:44 |
| lcuk | source or nothing! | 21:44 |
| lardman | and...? :) | 21:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:44 |
| lcuk | you have source too! | 21:44 |
| lardman | ah, well source is in the maemo-barcode Garage project of course | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | how do I search Amazon by EAN? | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | or NewEgg | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | or Google in general ? :p | 21:44 |
| lardman | no idea about NewEgg | 21:44 |
| coldboot | Should /scratchbox/tools/bin be in the PATH before /usr/bin even if SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin ? | 21:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | A neat app would be to take the standard ASDA/tesco/wallmart/HighExplosivesRUs price label, and to auto-parse it | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | So you show it the barcode, then the price label | 21:46 |
| lcuk | yeah speedevil | 21:46 |
| lcuk | take photo of it all | 21:46 |
| lcuk | combine discaplines do some ocr + barcode | 21:46 |
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| lardman | do things still have price labels> | 21:46 |
| lardman | ? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | and upload all info | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | hm, non-composite mode.. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | on the shelves yeah | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: on the shelf | 21:46 |
| lcuk | with barcode | 21:46 |
| lardman | ah I see | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | also a handy pence per unit thing too | 21:47 |
| frals | loving the tags on the "we love lcuk" thread | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32164 | 21:48 |
| lcuk | or theres another now? | 21:48 |
| frals | ya that one | 21:48 |
| javispedro | alchohol, lovely | 21:48 |
| zemm | with the scary scandinavian kb layout in n900 (arrow keys), will simply "setxkbmap us" give full arrow keys when needed? | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | zemm: probably | 21:49 |
| lcuk | who shared the link to the sane pc suite thing | 21:51 |
| lcuk | http://www.hallysonluiz.com/maemo/?p=18 | 21:51 |
| lcuk | that | 21:51 |
| konttori__ | by the way, is anyone working on HDR imaging for fremantle? | 21:51 |
| zemm | RST38h | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | HDR assumes hardware | 21:52 |
| konttori__ | I would be very interested in getting that working, as we have such a great cam on the device | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't try without it | 21:52 |
| konttori__ | well, not true. You can code most of it without hw. | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 21:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | And it remains uttelry useless if the camera firmware isn't configurable enough | 21:53 |
| konttori__ | as what you do, is take a series (3 or more) images and then combine them as hdr. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | A series of images at different exposures. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | If the camera won't do this - you're screwed. | 21:53 |
| konttori__ | I have been looking at this method: http://bpowah.googlepages.com/hdrandpythonpil | 21:53 |
| lardman | should be possible with extended controls on v4l2 even now | 21:53 |
| konttori__ | And the cam should have all the needed configuration options. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Should have - yes. Does it - are they exposed - do they work. | 21:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is something that you can only really test with access to the device. | 21:54 |
| lardman | yeah, is on my list to test | 21:54 |
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| lardman | eventually | 21:54 |
| lardman | I'm interested in how to focus, but uses the same bunch of controls | 21:55 |
| konttori__ | Hmm.. why haven't we shipped yet! Damn. I want to see some cool hacking stuff, but I have to spend my time getting the soft to shippable state. blah. | 21:55 |
| lcuk | i thought you were doin cool hacks yourself | 21:56 |
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| konttori__ | I don't have the time to do cool hacks atm. well, not enough time. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | never enough time for anything | 21:56 |
| * lcuk wants back to the future license plates | 21:56 | |
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| mybad | hello | 21:57 |
| lcuk | "outatime" | 21:57 |
| lardman | hmm, upsetting that the lightweight Amazon site can't be called with an EAN directly | 21:57 |
| konttori__ | that hdr I could do, but I don't have proper API specs available and example code how to use python to take the images. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | konttori__, the Push N900 guys did | 21:57 |
| lardman | camera api | 21:57 |
| lcuk | they use python afaik to do the 3d shots | 21:57 |
| mybad | i was reading http://maemo.org/development/tools/ and i would like to know where can i have a preview of Performance and Resource Usage tools please .? | 21:57 |
| lardman | just a gstreamer v4l2camsrc | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | mybad a preview of them? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | battery meter: ----------------------------------- | 21:59 |
| lcuk | cpu meter: \/\/\/\/\/----------------\/\/\/\/\/\-------- | 21:59 |
| mybad | lcuk, something like gitweb or simply where can i download the sources if they're open please | 21:59 |
| lcuk | accelerometer: \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | 21:59 |
| lcuk | (whilst dancing) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 22:00 |
| * lcuk would be interested too | 22:00 | |
| konttori__ | lcuk: cool. 3d shots with cam? sounds wicked. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | viewmaster 3d | 22:00 |
| lardman | I tell a lie, you can pass it the EAN directly, thank Gos | 22:00 |
| lcuk | with an n900 inside | 22:00 |
| lardman | God | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You're welcome, lardman. | 22:01 |
| lcuk | in a rig with switches | 22:01 |
| lcuk | to detect side to side | 22:01 |
| lcuk | multi shot | 22:01 |
| lcuk | cool stuff | 22:01 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: aka Gos? | 22:01 |
| mybad | lcuk, do you have an idea ? | 22:01 |
| lardman | mybad: I imagine they will be closed | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Of course :) | 22:01 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | if htey are listed, they should be available tho | 22:01 |
| lcuk | ie: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/sp-endurance/ | 22:01 |
| mybad | lardman, i have read the source code of most of them, but the links i've got in the past are dead links now | 22:01 |
| lcuk | it makes no sense to document but not deploy | 22:02 |
| konttori__ | mybad: http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example | 22:02 |
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| konttori__ | there are the dl instructions | 22:02 |
| lardman | mybad: oh I see | 22:02 |
| konttori__ | and fremantle is binary compatible with diablo for most of those tools | 22:02 |
| lcuk | would those tools work elsewhere | 22:02 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | mindreader! | 22:02 |
| mybad | konttori__, thank you, but i don't need them on devide right now, i would like to get the source only | 22:03 |
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| konttori__ | mybad: # diablo tools sources | 22:05 |
| konttori__ | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools free non-free | 22:05 |
| mybad | konttori__, it will be hard using yum :) | 22:06 |
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| lardman | type the url manually then | 22:06 |
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| mybad | lardman, done thank you all for your help | 22:08 |
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| lardman | am beginning to think that one of the xml parsing libs might be easier than strstr | 22:13 |
| javispedro | probably. | 22:13 |
| javispedro | i want to learn xerces | 22:13 |
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| lardman | ah sod it, sure I can do it by chopping strings up into ever smaller parts, and hope I can keep track of the pointers.... ;) | 22:19 |
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| * Jaffa 's Python GUI is coming along :-) | 22:26 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | I was unaware that Python needed a GUI :p | 22:27 |
| Corsac | ipython \o/ | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | :-p | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, will your python gui catch criminals? | 22:29 |
| snaz | hi im thinking about buying a n900 but i wanna know a few things first, 1, am i able to compile my own software on it? 2. how does packageing work for maemo, what package manager do you use? urls are appricated. thanks | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, though you may want to use a crosscompiler in some cases due to speed | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | and unsure, unsure | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | snaz, it's Debian packaging. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | snaz, the package manager is hildon-application-manager. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or apt. ;) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | snaz, yes, compilation is possible, but its not the fastest cpu - depending on size its ideal. size of -dev libraries and whole sdk experience isnt possible. making .deb files is a pita | 22:32 |
| lcuk | its apt based and uses debs | 22:32 |
| slonopotamus_ | snaz, 1. officially - no. practically - yes, but with pain. 2. deb | 22:32 |
| * lcuk compiles every day on n8x0 and n900 | 22:32 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | How many hairs do you sacrifice each time? | 22:34 |
| johnsq | qwerty12_N810: less than crosscompiling | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 22:35 |
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| Anunakin | hi all! | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=368329#368329 | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody might review that for factual accuracy? ;) | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/might/mind/ | 22:36 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Somebody mind review that for factual accuracy? ;) | 22:36 |
| RST38h | General: Gross underestimation | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | General: Average package size is something like 750kB-1MB | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Bets on how long GeneralAntilles will last there w/out getting banned? ;) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i lose all my hair tryign to build a package | 22:37 |
| RST38h | qwerty: he has got good chances | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he said SMALL packages. | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Ah | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, which means less than 500KB based on the optification recommendation. | 22:38 |
| lcuk | are the default install packages optified | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Yea, correct | 22:38 |
| lcuk | things like the libs | 22:38 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Oh, regarding the fonts, maemo-optify refuses to work on it so I'll do the optification manually sometime (just need to read CDBS docs... God, I hate that shit) | 22:42 |
| Anunakin | hey! any here knows how to change keyboard layout on easy debian? | 22:45 |
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| fiferboy | How do you create a new product under extras on bugs.maemo.org? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, with blood | 22:47 |
| penguinbait | qwerty I need some better photos of you, so I can make you our court jester | 22:47 |
| lcuk | see andre__ i tihnk | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Whose blood? | 22:47 |
| lcuk | yours | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | I had a feeling it would be... | 22:48 |
| lcuk | well i've already given enough | 22:48 |
| * AndrewFBlack just remembered he was suppose to start working on t.m.o minimalist bugs today | 22:48 | |
| lcuk | fiferboy, where abouts are you | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Globally? Canada. | 22:48 |
| lcuk | i suppose a council members blood would suffice | 22:49 |
| lcuk | are you close enough to qole? | 22:49 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: 66 virgins and a unicorn will do though | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I couldn't be much further from him | 22:50 |
| penguinbait | hey its 65 virgins, you were trying to get one for yourself RST38h | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: What about 66 unicorns and a virgin? | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Are they virgin unicorns? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i bet qole says the same about you! | 22:50 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: That will only give a hooves and a horn | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, what product do you need creating? | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Countdown Home, for the moment | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | There will likely be others coming up soon :) | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, give me about 15 minutes to finish drooling over my new SSD. ;) | 22:51 |
| Dantonic | ROFL "Oh man.... | 22:51 |
| Dantonic | All this time, in the Finnish Maemo offices, you've been called "El Cock"? " | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Thanks :D | 22:51 |
| Dantonic | I'm sorry that's hilarious | 22:51 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 22:51 | |
| Dantonic | no offense | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I am probably closer to GeneralAntilles than to Qole | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | finnish maemo offices? | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | wth is that? | 22:51 |
| penguinbait | the chicken? | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | I want to go! | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, sacrificing me will do you no good! I'm not on the council anymore. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | dantonic, yes, i can imagine my name being brought up in very serious business meetings | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Muahaha | 22:52 |
| frals | beware, el cock might find you | 22:52 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Curses! I could send you to a Rays game, though | 22:52 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, sacrificing you will happen anyway | 22:52 |
| Dantonic | lcuk <3 | 22:52 |
| lcuk | you are to be stuffed and mounted | 22:52 |
| lcuk | maybe in a different order | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, did you say Rays game? | 22:53 |
| snaz | GeneralAntilles: its apt? :D thats great | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | snaz, Maemo is mostly just Debian. | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You are near there, are you not? | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | snaz, with a lot of mobile (i.e., battery life) friendly tinkering on top. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, I live like 5 minutes away from Tropicana. | 22:54 |
| snaz | lets say i want to compile firefox, or whatever, would i just apt-get source packagename? | 22:54 |
| penguinbait | el pollo loco en la cabasa | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | snaz, for the most part. | 22:54 |
| snaz | si penguinbait | 22:54 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You should go next time they play the Jays to see two teams with no hopes of post season play for the next 5 years | 22:54 |
| lcuk | snaz, in the sdk yes you can try | 22:54 |
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| snaz | penguinbait: el pollo diablo | 22:54 |
| penguinbait | oooooh the chicken devil | 22:55 |
| snaz | i guess ill buy a n900 then | 22:55 |
| snaz | i hope its open enough for me not to get annoyed | 22:55 |
| derf | fiferboy: It could be worse. My local team is the Nationals. | 22:55 |
| snaz | cos it costs a hellovalot | 22:55 |
| fiferboy | derf: Ouch! | 22:55 |
| snaz | i wanna run stuff like irssi | 22:55 |
| lcuk | if its not, you can always get a screwdriver | 22:55 |
| lcuk | im scared to search google for el coq | 22:55 |
| snaz | le | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, stupid Rays. :( | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: it's safe: google images just returns your avatar | 22:56 |
| snaz | n900 looks very nice, it has very nice hardware | 22:56 |
| snaz | i love the keyboard | 22:56 |
| snaz | + touchscreen | 22:56 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: They had a shot, but it looks like they'll need to wait awhile before returning | 22:56 |
| snaz | and if i can use the debian repos thats amazing | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, yeah, doesn't help that the Yankees have a bullpen this year. ;) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | it brings up stuff with chickens on it | 22:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes down for a drive upgrade. | 22:57 | |
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| woglinde | haha | 22:57 |
| snaz | lcuk: what is this facination about chickens? | 22:57 |
| penguinbait | el pollo loco en la cabasa | 22:57 |
| lcuk | nothing :$ | 22:57 |
| Myrtti | snaz: usign debian repos in what? debian? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | its these guys | 22:57 |
| snaz | the chicken is crazy in the head | 22:58 |
| penguinbait | he has a crazy chicken in his head | 22:58 |
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| penguinbait | in his head | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | snaz: he shagged one the other day and he wants to see what his future son/daughter will look like | 22:58 |
| penguinbait | !! | 22:58 |
| lcuk | !! | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | snaz: the fact that maemo happens to use debian styled repositories and uses apt and all, doesn't mean that the systems are interoperable | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | but you *had* to know that already, right? | 22:58 |
| penguinbait | remember Gonzo the muppet | 22:58 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, it works for some things | 22:58 |
| penguinbait | he was a chicken plucker!! | 22:59 |
| lcuk | its not a 100% match | 22:59 |
| snaz | Myrtti: does the n900 not use like a arm6 or something | 22:59 |
| snaz | Myrtti: i thought perhaps the platform was supported | 22:59 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: "warranty void if seal is broken" DO NOT CLUB THE SEAL TO DEATH | 22:59 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:59 |
| penguinbait | :( | 22:59 |
| snaz | people who club seals must be psychopaths becuase they are able to kill cuteness | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wait? Didn't fiferboy say he was from Canada? Let's club him! | 23:00 |
| Myrtti | I don't know what the situation is with maemo, but I know that if someone is running ubuntu and makes the mistake of installing debian packages into it, the community silently walks away and in general the opinion is "you deserve all the problems you're having with your system" | 23:00 |
| snaz | we should train lions to keep seals safe in exchange for fish | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I'll have you know I only ever club seals in self defense | 23:01 |
| Myrtti | probably goes the other way around too | 23:01 |
| lcuk | nahhh Myrtti people around debian walk away anyway ;) | 23:01 |
| snaz | would i have root on a n900 ? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | have you seen how vicious they are in #debian lol | 23:01 |
| lcuk | snaz, sure | 23:01 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: guess why I've used Ubuntu since 2005 February? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | http://www.maplandia.com/haiti/centre/el-coq/ | 23:02 |
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| snaz | lcuk: without cracking it somehow? | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | that is the mine tracy will have me working in if i dont find a job :'( | 23:02 |
| wiretapped | any word on when I can buy an N900 here in the USA? | 23:02 |
| range | snaz: This isn't OS X | 23:02 |
| snaz | range: ? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | snaz, gainroot is one of the first packages to enter extras :) | 23:03 |
| range | snaz: So no, you don't have to break it. | 23:03 |
| snaz | ok cool | 23:03 |
| snaz | :) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | or whatever its name is | 23:03 |
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| range | Myrtti: Club Sandwiches, not cheese. | 23:03 |
| snaz | 'this is not symbian' | 23:03 |
| range | Wow. | 23:03 |
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| snaz | would have been more appropriate | 23:03 |
| range | *not seals | 23:03 |
| lcuk | you might not like that bits of the system are closed, but its far from the norm | 23:03 |
| range | Does symbian have the concept of "root"? | 23:04 |
| snaz | symbian is annoying | 23:04 |
| snaz | it smells like windows | 23:04 |
| lcuk | lemony? | 23:04 |
| lbt | snaz: is that "it smells, like windows" ? | 23:04 |
| snaz | windows[tm] | 23:04 |
| lbt | not clean windows with windowlene? | 23:05 |
| * lbt likes windows | 23:05 | |
| * snaz does not | 23:05 | |
| * lbt bought a window the other day | 23:05 | |
| lcuk | http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-clean-windows-with-lemon | 23:05 |
| lbt | first one ever | 23:05 |
| lbt | stone broke the old one :( | 23:05 |
| snaz | aww :( | 23:06 |
| lbt | broken windows are pretty :) | 23:06 |
| lcuk | lbt, what were you doing throwing stones indoor | 23:06 |
| lcuk | we told you it would be bad | 23:06 |
| snaz | how do you keep maemo update | 23:06 |
| snaz | does it have apt-get ? | 23:06 |
| lbt | stones/helicopters... | 23:06 |
| lbt | snaz: yes | 23:07 |
| lcuk | o_O | 23:07 |
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| snaz | i wonder how much the n900 will cost | 23:07 |
| lbt | £30/month | 23:07 |
| snaz | i saw in pounds it was like 500 quid | 23:07 |
| snaz | month? | 23:07 |
| RST38h | why wonder? prices have been announced | 23:07 |
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| lbt | 18month contract | 23:07 |
| RST38h | UK has got it easy | 23:08 |
| snaz | you have to have a contract? | 23:08 |
| lbt | 'unlimited' web | 23:08 |
| snaz | is it not possible to just buy it without | 23:08 |
| RST38h | no but then it is not "free" | 23:08 |
| lbt | but I think they differentiate between web/internet | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Intriguing video that yerga's pointed at thaere | 23:08 |
| RST38h | lbt: that will limit device capabitlities | 23:08 |
| lbt | I did wonder | 23:08 |
| * snaz agrees with Jaffa | 23:08 | |
| lbt | I've never bought a mobile :) | 23:09 |
| lbt | so have no clue about plans etc :( | 23:09 |
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| johnsq | snaz: germany 500 euro - 600 euro without contract | 23:09 |
| snaz | lbt: do you steal them? | 23:09 |
| lbt | snaz: shh | 23:09 |
| snaz | johnsq: 600 is alot of money for a phone | 23:09 |
| * lbt has a bag full | 23:09 | |
| lbt | 7 6310s...!! | 23:09 |
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| snaz | still it seems worth it | 23:10 |
| johnsq | snaz: yes. but already 100 euro down | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: hmm? | 23:10 |
| snaz | yeah buy the time i have the money its gonna be alot cheaper | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: http://blip.tv/file/2659691 | 23:10 |
| snaz | but then exactly when i buy it, there will be a new phone | 23:10 |
| snaz | its so annoying | 23:11 |
| Myrtti | it's still less than a N97 | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Assuming there aren't two Carsten Munks in the world | 23:11 |
| snaz | i had the n95 | 23:11 |
| snaz | i do not like it | 23:11 |
| Myrtti | I still have N95 and I love it | 23:11 |
| snaz | so i did not get the n97 | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | jaffa, thesis work if it is the physio stuff | 23:11 |
| snaz | Myrtti: its so slow it makes me wanna kill myself | 23:11 |
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| snaz | i gave mine away to my brother | 23:11 |
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| Myrtti | N97 has nothing to do with N95 | 23:11 |
| glass | n97 doesn't have much to do with n95, different form factor for starters | 23:11 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But they are both mobile computers! | 23:12 |
| snaz | symbian | 23:12 |
| snaz | same crap | 23:12 |
| RST38h | same hype machine | 23:12 |
| Myrtti | next step from N95 is N86 | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: "Fremantle desktop, sw rendering, N800" | 23:12 |
| lbt | Jaffa: Mesa | 23:12 |
| snaz | is n900 running x ? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | jaffa, yeah, my work | 23:12 |
| Myrtti | oh christ, this stupidity is mindboggling | 23:12 |
| * Myrtti goes to bed | 23:12 | |
| lbt | Jaffa: and the current git snapshot of mesa has gles1.2 :) | 23:12 |
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| snaz | what kind of window manager does maemo use? | 23:13 |
| Mousey | MATCHBOX | 23:13 |
| snaz | ah | 23:14 |
| snaz | what language? | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Shiny | 23:14 |
| lbt | *nod* | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | snaz: C, Python and C++ are the biggest languages | 23:14 |
| snaz | nice | 23:15 |
| lbt | it's in gitorious now (I think - it's on my machine anyhow) | 23:15 |
| snaz | seems pretty mature | 23:15 |
| snaz | ok i will concider this for out mobile platform | 23:16 |
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| Jaffa | snaz: Maemo's been out for nearly 4 years (first release back in Nov 2005); so everything's pretty tried out now | 23:17 |
| johnsq | and for the n810 no good applications. | 23:17 |
| snaz | are you using dbus? | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | i think jaffa gets dtrain | 23:18 |
| lcuk | but, yes | 23:18 |
| snaz | lcuk: har-har | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: tsk ;-) | 23:18 |
| * Jaffa gets dcar, dtrain and dtube | 23:18 | |
| lcuk | snaz, for long term, you have to consider nokia have qt designated as principle toolkit of the next os | 23:19 |
| snaz | hmm, qt seems to be growing | 23:19 |
| lcuk | you mentioned platform - what sorts of apps if you dont mind | 23:20 |
| snaz | hardware related, using gps, touchscreen, organizing systems, music/synthesizers/sequencers | 23:21 |
| snaz | whatever i feel like really | 23:21 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:21 |
| snaz | i tried openmoko | 23:21 |
| lcuk | its just passed an exceptional test in realtime performance stuff - using opensoundcontrol | 23:21 |
| snaz | the freerunner phone | 23:21 |
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| snaz | i like the concept but still the phone is too slow to do anything fun | 23:22 |
| snaz | nokia hardwaresupport tends to be good from my experience. only problems i had where with symbian | 23:22 |
| snaz | i need to look into the sound card specifications of the n900 | 23:22 |
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| snaz | lcuk: really? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:23 |
| lcuk | just a mo | 23:23 |
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| snaz | so i would need to port a few stuff | 23:23 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/ | 23:23 |
| snaz | and it has a lot of dependencies | 23:24 |
| johnsq | snaz: s/few/all | 23:24 |
| snaz | but might be in the debian repo | 23:24 |
| lcuk | yeah i dragged one of the opensoundcontrol libs across and we used the 900 to control a massive interactive display | 23:24 |
| snaz | if i can use apt-get source then im all god | 23:24 |
| snaz | good | 23:24 |
| snaz | cos what idont want to be doing is dependency hunting | 23:24 |
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| snaz | i hate that so much it makes me want to die | 23:24 |
| snaz | ive done that enough back in the day | 23:24 |
| lcuk | flawless hardware - excellent technilogy and had a wonderful reception from the public | 23:24 |
| lcuk | technology even | 23:25 |
| snaz | techmology | 23:25 |
| lcuk | shmology | 23:25 |
| snaz | lcuk sykwakler | 23:25 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:25 |
| woglinde | *g* | 23:27 |
| lcuk | anything is better than the other name atm lol | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shut up, El Coq | 23:28 |
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| * lcuk bans you from any summit ever | 23:28 | |
| lcuk | and gives you an invitation back into *that* chan | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you'll always be el-cuck to me. ;) | 23:28 |
| lcuk | awww thanks gan | 23:28 |
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| * lcuk makes his download download faster | 23:29 | |
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| woglinde | lcuk jedi power? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | i have an obi-wan robe and a light sabre :$ | 23:34 |
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| Proteous | I put on my cape and wizard cap | 23:52 |
| coldboot | It's actually a robe. | 23:53 |
| Myrtti | and a hat | 23:53 |
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| coldboot | But nevertheless, I like to play dress up. | 23:53 |
| Proteous | yeah yeah bloodninja | 23:53 |
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