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| lbt | actually.... | 00:41 |
| lbt | pupnik: go look at firebug... it's awesome | 00:41 |
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| lcuk2 | pupnik, privoxy is also very good | 00:45 |
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| lcuk2 | a transforming proxy server :) | 00:45 |
| pupnik | yeah i used that too | 00:46 |
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| ShadowJK | oh bleh | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | the bluetooth in N900 is broadcom? | 01:20 |
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| ShadowJK | oh well :-( | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | hope that's fixed in RX-71 ;-) | 01:21 |
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| Lubomir | hello | 01:24 |
| Lubomir | i have a question about the N900 btw maemo | 01:24 |
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| ShadowJK | the answer is "Green." | 01:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | A sort of bluey-green. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Shaded more to leaf-green on the bottom. | 01:27 |
| Lubomir | maemo: what kernel, does it have an x-server running, is netfilter in ther kernel activated, dies it have a normal bash or an other console or something with extremely less functions like android have? | 01:27 |
| Lubomir | SpeedEvil :D | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | it has X | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | It has busybox sh | 01:28 |
| Lubomir | N900: What wlan-chipset? what bluetoth chipset? | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | bash is in the Extras repo for Maemo4 I imagine someone might package it for maemo5 too | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | (but you're still stuck with the busybox tools of most things probably) | 01:29 |
| Lubomir | i own an android but realy look into the maemo development | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | I just read on talk.maemo someone saying it's a broadcom bluetooth chip | 01:29 |
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| LinuxCode | [23:21] <ShadowJK> hope that's fixed in RX-71 ;-) | 01:29 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:29 |
| Lubomir | as i read that root is default available without any tweeks and so on i was realy surprised | 01:29 |
| LinuxCode | already talking next models! | 01:29 |
| LinuxCode | impatient lot! | 01:30 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | Lubomir, "sudo gainroot" :-) | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | in x-terminal | 01:30 |
| Lubomir | yea, thats what i talk about :) | 01:30 |
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| Lubomir | are the sources and everything else available from the beginning? | 01:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't be bothered to catch up on the Talk spam. | 01:31 | |
| Lubomir | btw - does the os have closed source parts? | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | Yes it has closed source parts | 01:31 |
| LinuxCode | GA haha | 01:31 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 01:31 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK and that are? drivers only or also something other? | 01:31 |
| * ShadowJK searches for the wiki article... | 01:33 | |
| Lubomir | would nokia make that like that, that i always have to buy a new mobile phone to get actual version of maemo? | 01:33 |
| Lubomir | how was that with the old devices | 01:33 |
| lcuk2 | mobile phone in old devices works exactly as advertised | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 01:33 |
| Lubomir | i read in wikipedia that for example maemo 3 and 4 was not available for nokia 770 | 01:34 |
| lcuk2 | i dont blame it | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | They became available later as "Hacker Edition" | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | Though the 770 didn't really have the RAM to run them painlessly | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | and the N800/N810 doesn't have the power to run Maemo5 painlessly.. | 01:35 |
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| Lubomir | ShadowJK and why dont just enable swap on fast SD card? | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | it did that | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | but SD cards are only ever fast if you write sequentially to them | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | Random access writes are extremely slow on SD | 01:36 |
| Lubomir | so that make maemo 4 runnable on 770? | 01:36 |
| Lubomir | hey, realy nice - it have an linux flasher | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | heh, yeah | 01:37 |
| Lubomir | to flash a phone with linux | 01:37 |
| Lubomir | there is nothing that can do that for android | 01:37 |
| lcuk2 | like i said, the phone part works as advertised. they advertised the internet tablets explicitely as not phones. they di not have cellular parts. please stop talking about 770 as a phone ;) | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | It's more like a linux computer in your pocket, with extra phone feature | 01:37 |
| * lcuk2 rants like GA does about capital letters | 01:38 | |
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| Lubomir | and something realy interesting for me: can i use git/svn, copy it, compile and then just put it on my phone and use it (and maybe report bugs)? | 01:38 |
| lcuk2 | the n900 has a phone tho :) | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk2, the 770 had mobile parts in it ?!! | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | ;-O | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | ohh and evening mate | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | There's the Mer project, which is a community-built version of Maemo, using Fremantle (Maemo5) APIs and software. | 01:38 |
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| lcuk2 | *no* | 01:38 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 i know what 770,800 and 810 are ^^ | 01:39 |
| * lcuk2 compiles on his n900 every day | 01:39 | |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk2, k | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | Without the Nokia theming and the CPU/GPU intensive eyecandy | 01:39 |
| lcuk2 | and before that, my n810 | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | Available for a wide range of devices | 01:39 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK link? | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | Lubomir, You can install openssh on your phone, (cross)compile something on your PC, scp/sftp the binary to your phone, open xterm on your phone and do ./helloworld | 01:40 |
| lcuk2 | ShadowJK, you can also ssh into your "phone" | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, you can do that too :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk2 | run apt-get install build-essential | 01:40 |
| LinuxCode | how mnay packages are in mer ? | 01:40 |
| LinuxCode | and is there a repo I could look at ? | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, crazy people like lcuk2 install compiler on the device :) | 01:40 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK that thats possible i just know. i want to compile the os from source and put it on the phone | 01:40 |
| * ShadowJK admits he has gcc on his N810 too | 01:40 | |
| Lubomir | and update to actual svn/git when i like | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | That'd only be sane with Mer | 01:41 |
| lcuk2 | which source distro do you want to build? | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo has some closed components, and there's no build script afaik :) | 01:41 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 i thought just using maemo-5 ... | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I would expect some hours after n900 hitting the streets people reporting mer runnung | 01:41 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 but when you ask like that - i want to use gentoo ^^ | 01:42 |
| lcuk2 | you are not the first :) | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | Oh you should talk to luke-jr... | 01:42 |
| lcuk2 | its possible i believe | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | He runs Gentoo on his N810 | 01:42 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 what i am not first? | 01:42 |
| lcuk2 | you miss out on the full driver stack | 01:42 |
| lcuk2 | but the system is usable | 01:42 |
| Lubomir | WOW | 01:43 |
| lcuk2 | so i hear | 01:43 |
| Lubomir | does someine here want to buy an android? :D | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | Nobody has tried gentoo on n900 though :) | 01:43 |
| lcuk2 | evil robot | 01:43 |
| lcuk2 | we should have a Pushn900 robot war | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | And we don't know how to, or if the phone stack can be hacked into gentoo :) | 01:43 |
| Lubomir | Samsung galaxy, AM-OLED, 7,2hsdpa, 5,76 hsupa | 01:43 |
| lcuk2 | we have pusher robots which protect us from the terrible secret of space | 01:43 |
| lcuk2 | Lubomir, why not put gentoo on that? | 01:44 |
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| lcuk2 | isnt android open? | 01:44 |
| lcuk2 | i tohught it was a linux | 01:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the devices are tivoized so that you can't replace the kernel and stuff | 01:44 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 because i have to build nearly a whole own system... | 01:44 |
| lcuk2 | you do here | 01:44 |
| lcuk2 | same issue | 01:44 |
| lcuk2 | just build it | 01:44 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 android have no X and so on | 01:44 |
| lcuk2 | havent you just been talking about doin gentoo | 01:44 |
| Lubomir | and there is no change to start from down... | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | Gentoo is maybe not LFS :) | 01:45 |
| Lubomir | lcuk2 yea, but on android i didnt have the chance to do that. i cant start... | 01:45 |
| lcuk2 | ahh, sounds restrictive | 01:45 |
| lcuk2 | :) | 01:45 |
| Lubomir | i start using linux with gentoo. never used something else. | 01:46 |
| lcuk2 | maemo might not be perfect, but you have choice | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | There are no installers for distributions on ARM, so you'll have the same issue on almost every device. You need to prepare/bootstrap a distro somehow :) | 01:46 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK is it possibe to just run a distro OVER maemo? | 01:46 |
| lcuk2 | ShadowJK, technically tho its easier because there are already a known working path | 01:47 |
| Lubomir | like debian is on android | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | Lubomir, people run various random stuff in chroot | 01:47 |
| lcuk2 | how difficult depends on the documentation left by those intrepid explorers | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk2, yeah :) | 01:47 |
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| Lubomir | but when there are realy gentoo user for n810 i think/hope that there would be also a start of it on N900 | 01:48 |
| woglinde | fine | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | Lubomir, I think I'd describe it all as: you get root access, and the freedom to flash whatever kernel and root filesystem you want onto the device. The not-closed parts of maemo are available, but they're that, parts. You get to put them together yourself. Same for debian/gentoo/ubuntu/etc :) | 01:49 |
| woglinde | finally win2003 accepted the vitio driver | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | Mer takes the Maemo parts and puts them ontop of Ubuntu | 01:49 |
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| Lubomir | argh, ubuntu... | 01:49 |
| lcuk2 | could be worse | 01:50 |
| Lubomir | had/have to use it because of some development together with some other people of some parts on the world... | 01:50 |
| lcuk2 | there are people trying to put maemo ontop of windows compact :P | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Does everything have opensource drivers? | 01:50 |
| Lubomir | 10minutes later - networkmanager was half broken -.- | 01:50 |
| ShadowJK | It'd probably be sane to waitfor/make dualboot option for N900 so you can experiment with alternative OSen on a microsdhc card and have the stock OS still installed :) | 01:50 |
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| Neostrider | hello there | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - will battery life suck badly forex, or GPS not be there. | 01:51 |
| Neostrider | pupnik: Hey Pupnik? | 01:51 |
| lcuk2 | yes ShadowJK it would | 01:51 |
| pupnik | what | 01:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Lubomir, maemo doesn't have NetworkManager.. Nokia wrote their own closed-source replacement. It rocks. | 01:51 |
| pupnik | nice to see you again Neostrider :) | 01:51 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK does the bootloader allow booting from sd? | 01:52 |
| Neostrider | I tell you the same | 01:52 |
| Neostrider | just sent you a email | 01:52 |
| aakashd | hey everyone | 01:52 |
| Neostrider | Lubomir: are you the same Lubomyr from the EZX community? | 01:52 |
| aakashd | i'm new to the channel, but will be a consistent presence for here on out. I'm one of the guys on QA for Fennec and want to make sure we get the latest info about any possible bugs! | 01:52 |
| Neostrider | pupnik: the email just bounced back | 01:52 |
| Lubomir | i dont know what EZX is so i thing the answer is no | 01:52 |
| aakashd | so please feel free to ping me at any time | 01:52 |
| Neostrider | quite a coincidence...EZX is another embedded linux flavor | 01:53 |
| lcuk2 | aakashd, welcome to the crowd | 01:53 |
| aakashd | thanks lcuk2 | 01:53 |
| lcuk2 | you see, there are 304 other people over there listening out for bugs | 01:53 |
| frals | welcome o/ | 01:53 |
| lcuk2 | :D | 01:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Lubomir, on N8x0 it wasnt that smart. It booted a kernel and the kernel mounted an initfs. That supermini-distro then started up some important services (such as battery stuff), and launched the main os. The community added dualboot option into the initfs, so that you could pick what to mount as root filesystem. Atleast that's how I understoof it | 01:54 |
| lcuk2 | so if you find any in things you are playing with | 01:54 |
| Neostrider | hey lcuk2, how are you doing! | 01:54 |
| lcuk2 | you shout too! | 01:54 |
| aakashd | will do | 01:54 |
| lcuk2 | hi Neostrider im doing sorta possibly better than i think i should be | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | aakashd, welcome, do you have an asbestos suit? :-) | 01:54 |
| Lubomir | ShadowJK ah,okay | 01:54 |
| aakashd | lol what's an asbestos suit ShadowJK ? | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | aakashd, well it's flame-resistant | 01:54 |
| lcuk2 | something to stop your balls being fried | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: important point: the N810 hardware is undocumented and the drivers closed. | 01:55 |
| aakashd | ShadowJK: ahhh, well I know Fennec is still pre1.0 | 01:55 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr and then realy someone get gentoo running? | 01:55 |
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| aakashd | ShadowJK: so any comments and/or bug filing is super appreciated | 01:55 |
| ShadowJK | aakashd, ah but you need flameproof suit for all the unhelpful whinging :-) | 01:56 |
| Lubomir | ah, luke-jr you are the gentoo person (scrolled up and read again ^^ ) | 01:56 |
| aakashd | lol | 01:56 |
| aakashd | ShadowJK: don't worry, you should hear the stories from the Fennec developers on all the complaining I do to them on a daily basis | 01:57 |
| lcuk2 | what sort of complaining :O | 01:57 |
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| aakashd | lcuk2: :P | 01:57 |
| aakashd | all my complaining is backed up with blocker/critical bugs ;) | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: yes, I am. BME is loaded before Gentoo currently. | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | the fennec version in extras is kinda old, and only one I tried on device, N810, it was too ram heavy to really be usable :) | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: and our gps5300driver ebuild requires the blob from Nokia | 01:58 |
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| aakashd | ShadowJK: ah its much better today though | 01:59 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr did you have gcc on the device? | 01:59 |
| Lubomir | and can just run a normal "emerge something"? | 01:59 |
| aakashd | check it out: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mobile-1.9.2/ | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: yes, it's a normal Gentoo install | 01:59 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr can you change kernel and so on? | 02:00 |
| lcuk2 | aakashd, thats a big list | 02:00 |
| lcuk2 | and why arent you pushing the extras-devel? | 02:00 |
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| lcuk2 | people commonly grab programs to test from there | 02:00 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr to just use actual vanilla-sources | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: not yet | 02:00 |
| lcuk2 | no mucking about with random devs from untrusted servers :) | 02:00 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: get the xulrunner.deb all the way at the bottom and fennec1.0b4.deb in the middle | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk2, I think it was someone not mozilla who originally pushed it to extras(-devel) | 02:01 |
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| * lcuk2 cant get anything | 02:01 | |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: 2.6.31 or .32 *might* boot, but certainly far from usable | 02:01 |
| lcuk2 | i cant install from .deb with app manager i dont think | 02:01 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: you should be able to | 02:01 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: that's how I do it | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | Which is maybe a bit unfortunate, because now people think that version is the last release | 02:01 |
| lcuk2 | why should i | 02:01 |
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| Lubomir | luke-jr can you use firefox, openoffice, and so on with swap enabled? | 02:01 |
| lcuk2 | i dont have a regular machine | 02:01 |
| lcuk2 | you have n810? | 02:01 |
| aakashd | yeah | 02:01 |
| aakashd | i'm using the n810 right now | 02:02 |
| lcuk2 | lovely machines :) | 02:02 |
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| luke-jr | Lubomir: not openoffice I'm sure, that requires GBs of RAM to build | 02:02 |
| aakashd | yep :) | 02:02 |
| * lcuk2 isnt using one right now tho | 02:02 | |
| ShadowJK | hm, 26.1M free on / :\ | 02:02 |
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| luke-jr | Lubomir: and I use KDE, so I couldn't care less for Firefox crap | 02:02 |
| lcuk2 | aakashd, have you got a build for maemo 5 - im not even sure if i could get your debs they would run | 02:03 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr wow! kde 4.3.1 ? ^^ | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: yes | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | bbiab | 02:03 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr wtf... i want now an N810... | 02:03 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: you have to download and save them to disk and then double-click on them. it should work that way | 02:03 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: if not, i can help guide you | 02:03 |
| aakashd | lcuk2: if that doesn't work, then I think we might start looking into filing a bug ;) | 02:03 |
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| ShadowJK | a few months ago when I tried to find out about fennec, I failed to find any uptodate version available for download :) | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it isn't googleable :/ | 02:04 |
| aakashd | it is | 02:04 |
| aakashd | the uptodate version is hte nightly builds | 02:04 |
| aakashd | on the download page i linked to | 02:04 |
| aakashd | well, ftp page | 02:04 |
| aakashd | the last major release you can create a catalog for | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | I failed to find any nightly builds :) | 02:05 |
| aakashd | and wait for the next release | 02:05 |
| aakashd | ShadowJK: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mobile-1.9.2/ | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: boo, I don't recommend it. | 02:05 |
| aakashd | its a big list | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | Lubomir: note it's not really *usable* | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | too little RAM | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | bbiab again :p | 02:05 |
| aakashd | ShadowJK: but download and install the xulrunner.deb build at the bottom of the page | 02:05 |
| Lubomir | luke-jr okay. please get an N900 | 02:05 |
| Lubomir | :D | 02:05 |
| aakashd | and then download and install fennec_1.0b4pre_armel.deb | 02:06 |
| aakashd | from the same page ShadowJK | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | 47.1M free, let's hope that's enough :) | 02:06 |
| aakashd | totall is | 02:06 |
| aakashd | *totally is | 02:06 |
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| Lubomir | thanks @ all. i think we see us luke-jr ^^ | 02:08 |
| Lubomir | bye | 02:08 |
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| lcuk2 | i can only install .deb files from the command line or after entering "red-pill" mode. neither of which make it easy | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | (He wants it in a repo) | 02:09 |
| lcuk2 | aakashd, to gain testers, please try to push to maemo.org | 02:09 |
| lcuk2 | i dont | 02:09 |
| aakashd | hm | 02:09 |
| lcuk2 | they are currently installing your old version | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | But yeah, having it in extras-devel or something would get more visibility | 02:09 |
| aakashd | alright, will do | 02:09 |
| aakashd | do I have to file a bug for the website? | 02:10 |
| aakashd | or maybe contact someone? | 02:10 |
| lcuk2 | for what website? | 02:10 |
| aakashd | maemo.org | 02:10 |
| lcuk2 | no, just find out which maintainer pushed a version to extras-devel first time | 02:10 |
| lcuk2 | and bug them to update it ;) | 02:10 |
| aakashd | will do :) | 02:10 |
| lcuk2 | i want to try it :) | 02:10 |
| aakashd | the only problem is that we probably only push the releases (betas) out | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | My terribly unreliable memory says it was qwerty12 | 02:10 |
| aakashd | but not the nightly builds page | 02:10 |
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| * ShadowJK pokes qwerty12_N810 | 02:11 | |
| lcuk2 | extras-devel is suitable for this purpose | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | extras-devel has fennec 1.0b1 | 02:11 |
| aakashd | link me ? | 02:11 |
| lcuk2 | even if its just once | 02:11 |
| lcuk2 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/f/fennec/ | 02:12 |
| lcuk2 | thats the version thats currently available | 02:12 |
| aakashd | wow yeeeeesh | 02:12 |
| aakashd | ok, so where would I file a bug? | 02:12 |
| lcuk2 | so update it if you feel you have new goodies to share :) | 02:12 |
| aakashd | I think I can set up a port from our nightly builds page to this page | 02:13 |
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| lcuk2 | you gain upload rights to the auto builders by contacting maemo admins | 02:13 |
| aakashd | would you suggest any other places to contact to start building a community to gain users? | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | I think someone just followed this and we ended up with a random fennec version there: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 02:13 |
| lcuk2 | but the easiest is to see who pushed this update | 02:13 |
| aakashd | hm ok | 02:14 |
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| ShadowJK | How about... get a recent version into extras-devel, then announce it on talk.maemo.org asking for testing and comments/feedback, add the usual beta/alpha software disclaimer... | 02:16 |
| aakashd | i just spoke with our director of mobile about it | 02:17 |
| aakashd | he'll try to get it done, but its going to take some time | 02:17 |
| aakashd | the easiest thing for now to use the nightly builds page I linked to and/or wait for beta 4 to be released next week | 02:17 |
| aakashd | and then update the catalog | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | mm | 02:17 |
| * lcuk2 shrugs | 02:18 | |
| aakashd | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Releases#Installing_Fennec_on_Nokia_N810 | 02:18 |
| aakashd | ^^^ | 02:18 |
| lcuk2 | like i said | 02:18 |
| lcuk2 | im not on an n810 | 02:18 |
| aakashd | i know, just fyi in general | 02:18 |
| aakashd | at least for the time being :( | 02:18 |
| Pavlov | lcuk2: latest nightly will run on everything | 02:18 |
| aakashd | i'm going to keep on pushing on this end | 02:18 |
| * lcuk2 nods | 02:18 | |
| aakashd | thanks Pavlov | 02:18 |
| Pavlov | jerimiah or x-fade pushed the last build | 02:19 |
| Pavlov | from us directly | 02:19 |
| Pavlov | we'll be pushing beta 4 there shortly | 02:19 |
| * lcuk2 nods again | 02:19 | |
| Pavlov | (next week) | 02:19 |
| * lcuk2 gets a stiff neck | 02:19 | |
| ShadowJK | ah it was xfade | 02:19 |
| Pavlov | and its almost certainly my fault newer builds haven't gotten pushed | 02:20 |
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| Firebird | anyone tried fullscreen SDL apps on maemo5 hardware.... ahem * lcuk2 * | 02:20 |
| lcuk2 | no | 02:20 |
| Firebird | I thought I heard something about it being ultra slow | 02:20 |
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| lcuk2 | dunno | 02:21 |
| * ShadowJK tries fennec | 02:21 | |
| lcuk2 | liqbase is super slick | 02:21 |
| lcuk2 | i dont care \o/ | 02:21 |
| Firebird | heh | 02:21 |
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| lcuk2 | mind you, its superslick on n810 too | 02:21 |
| * ShadowJK shuts up | 02:21 | |
| * Firebird needs to order the OGLES2.0 book but its $50 -_- | 02:22 | |
| lcuk2 | yikes | 02:23 |
| lcuk2 | you should crowd source it | 02:23 |
| lcuk2 | each person buys a page | 02:23 |
| lcuk2 | or a chapter | 02:23 |
| Firebird | and there's no good online OGLES resource | 02:23 |
| lcuk2 | or goes looking in the book shop with n8x0 to read a small piece | 02:23 |
| * lcuk2 whistles | 02:23 | |
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| Pavlov | ShadowJK: theres a couple of big panning perf regressions from the last few days whichare what are holding up b4 | 02:25 |
| * ShadowJK 's N810 doesn't have enough RAM for this :-) | 02:26 | |
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| lcuk2 | i have to do some rendering functions tonight | 02:28 |
| lcuk2 | and im far too tired | 02:28 |
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| lcuk2 | can someone watch this and tell me if i should watch it | 02:29 |
| lcuk2 | http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/index.php/2009/09/25/onedotzero-installation-how-it-worked/ | 02:29 |
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| lcuk2 | im a bit cringing cos i dont know which bit of the recordings its taken from | 02:30 |
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| ShadowJK | how do I know if you should watch it or not | 02:33 |
| lcuk2 | i just did :$ | 02:34 |
| lcuk2 | too inquisitive | 02:35 |
| * lcuk2 is glad he cut his hair now lol | 02:35 | |
| ShadowJK | the ad banners on the right keep popping up ontop of the flash, the flash vanishes completely, then comes back ontop, and it repeats :$ | 02:35 |
| lcuk2 | ad banners? | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | for N86 and OVI | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | oh, interestign | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | Maemo isn't Nokia-only anymore | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | Optima OP5-E apparently ships with it | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | Wasn't that the maemo sdk plus some random hacked together shite? | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | well the thing I read claimed they licensed it from Nokia | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | argh that flash player is completely unusable | 02:38 |
| * ShadowJK downloads it instead | 02:38 | |
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| Firebird | oh.... I was under the impression that the N900 was doing the 3d rendering and outputting... | 02:40 |
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| Firebird | for onedotzero | 02:40 |
| lcuk2 | any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic | 02:43 |
| lcuk2 | - karsten schmidt quoting from acc | 02:44 |
| woglinde | coool | 02:48 |
| woglinde | it worked | 02:48 |
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| woglinde | now I am really really happy | 02:48 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk2, any other onedotzero videos? :-) | 02:54 |
| lcuk2 | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/ | 02:55 |
| lcuk2 | theres a few other bits as well | 02:55 |
| lcuk2 | i gave a presentation on liqbase whilst i was there | 02:55 |
| lcuk2 | and we were jamming in the greenroom | 02:56 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 02:56 |
| lcuk2 | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/15/video-nokia-n900-presentation-with-gary-birkett-and-liqbase/ | 02:56 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8JJkDv7hw <- this one is disturbing, because it says it's shot with N900, and there are horribly ugly interlacing artifacts on it | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | why the fck would it end up interlaced | 02:58 |
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| ShadowJK | I hope it's just the person who shot the video that fucked it up afterwards, and not N900 butchering it :) | 02:58 |
| lcuk2 | where | 02:59 |
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| ShadowJK | 5 lines up | 02:59 |
| pupnik | ah well | 03:00 |
| lcuk2 | i have that video | 03:00 |
| lcuk2 | some is with device | 03:00 |
| lcuk2 | some was with a crappeh cam | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 03:00 |
| lcuk2 | where in there are you seeing aliasing | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - video out = interlaced/ | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 03:01 |
| * lcuk2 is hearing more of his voice | 03:01 | |
| ShadowJK | 00:07 for example | 03:01 |
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| lcuk2 | that looks like digital editing | 03:01 |
| lcuk2 | or i had a fit | 03:02 |
| lcuk2 | take your pick | 03:02 |
| * SpeedEvil is hearing a jagged repeating loop of audio 0.4 seconds long | 03:02 | |
| * SpeedEvil has a broken sound system. | 03:02 | |
| ShadowJK | lcuk2, even if you had a fit it wouldn't look like that | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | It's two frames interleaved together | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | even lines from one frame, odd lines from another frame... | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 03:03 |
| smackpotato | put a marble on the stylus | 03:03 |
| lcuk2 | ShadowJK, thats probably mixing pieces together | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | It did it over the entire sequence until a "scene cut" atleast | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | I just hope the n900 doesn't really produce that video | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | and that it was only the author that butchered it afterwards somehow | 03:04 |
| lcuk2 | i can see where he spliced bits together and thats the only time it does the interlacing that i can see | 03:05 |
| lcuk2 | theres another one right at the end to fade to black | 03:05 |
| * lcuk2 thinks he did a good job at it actually | 03:05 | |
| ShadowJK | oh it goes from view of projected screen to view of n900? | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | So it was his software the added the fugly then :) | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | I don't usually notice or mind tearing, but interlacing is like tearing on every second line :) | 03:08 |
| lcuk2 | hah | 03:08 |
| * lcuk2 enjoyed time in london :) | 03:08 | |
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| ShadowJK | that liqflow video is awesome :) | 03:12 |
| lcuk2 | liqflow works on n810 too :) just without the accelerometer | 03:13 |
| lcuk2 | i should have a package out in time for the summit | 03:13 |
| woglinde | hm | 03:19 |
| woglinde | lcuk where do you live again? | 03:19 |
| lcuk2 | manchester england | 03:19 |
| woglinde | hm oh | 03:19 |
| woglinde | cambridge is to far | 03:19 |
| lcuk2 | for what | 03:20 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk&NR=1 BEST ROBOT HAND EVER | 03:20 |
| woglinde | talking and drinking a beer | 03:20 |
| woglinde | after oedem | 03:20 |
| lcuk2 | are you coming to the summit | 03:21 |
| woglinde | no | 03:21 |
| Firebird | wow, nice find pupnik , incredibly fast | 03:22 |
| lcuk2 | we have spoken about this robot before i showed you the ball thing, the other features are new tho :O | 03:22 |
| lcuk2 | :( woglinde | 03:23 |
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| lcuk2 | woglinde, where is the full oedem pages | 03:24 |
| lcuk2 | i get hrw's when i search (not a bad thing :)) | 03:25 |
| woglinde | http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Oedem/2009 | 03:25 |
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| lcuk2 | :D | 03:26 |
| lcuk2 | a typically english devcamp | 03:26 |
| woglinde | yeah hrw will be there too | 03:26 |
| woglinde | I am flying with him from berlin | 03:27 |
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| * lcuk2 nods, poke him and say hiya if we do not cross paths at the summit | 03:28 | |
| woglinde | okay | 03:29 |
| woglinde | bed now | 03:29 |
| woglinde | good nite | 03:29 |
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| ShadowJK | What did he say, 128x128 camera? :) | 03:33 |
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| ShadowJK | robots need to be scary, and look like they'd be useless at anything except breaking your arm, like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO9th_Rfk2o | 03:43 |
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| lcuk2 | ShadowJK, it dropped the drill | 03:45 |
| lcuk2 | you could kick it over | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | I think it can get up | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw | 03:48 |
| * lcuk2 runs | 03:48 | |
| lcuk2 | clever! | 03:49 |
| lcuk2 | each does the best it can to sort and organise | 03:50 |
| lcuk2 | and doesnt actually worry if it misses | 03:50 |
| lcuk2 | the other gets em | 03:50 |
| lcuk2 | i like that! | 03:50 |
| lcuk2 | what am impressive system, thanks SpeedEvil | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | What, you'd run after it? | 03:51 |
| lcuk2 | away from your scary one | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | the picker one i want to implement | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | anyway | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | bedtime | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | gnite chaps | 03:52 |
| ShadowJK | no I mean, you'd run after the sausage you missed? | 03:53 |
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| Firebird | lcuk2, is the pic button in the menu in liqbase-playgroud supposed to close the program? | 04:00 |
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| luke-jr | Marvell 88F6192 chipset seems pretty open :o | 05:50 |
| Firebird | Hmm, odd, I can't get the onscreen keyboard or the auto-complete bar to open/display | 06:11 |
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| pupnik | i can't get it to stop capitalizing my passwords | 06:34 |
| Firebird | bah, I think scim broke my onscreen keyboard | 06:35 |
| pupnik | scim? | 06:36 |
| Firebird | chinese character support | 06:36 |
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| vladovg | hi | 07:34 |
| pupnik | moo | 07:37 |
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| vladovg | hawe a qeston | 07:39 |
| vladovg | did exist some home scrin plug in like the internet radio | 07:39 |
| vladovg | buth to play the mp3 from GUI player | 07:40 |
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| vladovg | ? | 07:56 |
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| MaceN8x0 | bones just isnt that good anymore | 07:56 |
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| luke-jr | neither r u | 07:57 |
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| MaceN8x0 | gentoo sucks | 07:58 |
| MaceN8x0 | :-P | 07:58 |
| vladovg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIiP7D3cg7Y&feature=response_watch | 08:00 |
| vladovg | watch this and pause on the 0:40 | 08:00 |
| microlith | MaceN8x0: no way, I love it when glib changes and I have to re-emerge my entire OS | 08:00 |
| vladovg | wat is thet applet | 08:01 |
| vladovg | on the botton rigth | 08:01 |
| vladovg | under the clock applet | 08:01 |
| vladovg | ? | 08:01 |
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| vladovg | is the applet for the FM radio on the 800 | 08:02 |
| vladovg | ? | 08:02 |
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| * RST38h moos | 08:06 | |
| * luke-jr 's MOO is down. | 08:06 | |
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| pupnik | vladovg: n800 comes with an internet-radio capable stream player - mediaplayer | 08:31 |
| pupnik | you can also get 'streamtuner' running on n800 iirc | 08:31 |
| pupnik | usually i just mplayer [url] for an http radio stream | 08:31 |
| pupnik | not sure what to do about mms:/// | 08:31 |
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| benson_ | Good morning | 11:02 |
| benson_ | Hi all. Is there a better solution about a2pd on N810 now? | 11:02 |
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| RST38h | Bensons. They breed. | 11:05 |
| zerojay | lol | 11:06 |
| benson | good morning | 11:08 |
| benson | I have a bluetooch headphones. But N810 doesn't support a2pd :( | 11:10 |
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| zerojay | Nope, it doesn't. | 11:11 |
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| zerojay | Someone had a solution but it was with 3rd party media players. I've never used it personally. | 11:11 |
| zerojay | Glad it's not a problem on N900. | 11:12 |
| benson | How can I use a2pd on N810? | 11:12 |
| zerojay | search for a2pd on tmo. | 11:12 |
| benson | tmo? | 11:12 |
| zerojay | The solution was there. | 11:12 |
| zerojay | talk.maemo.org | 11:12 |
| benson | "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=111634" That's what I found. | 11:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that's it. | 11:13 |
| benson | It seems that CPU usage is ~50% at 320MHz! | 11:14 |
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| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:14 | |
| RST38h | benson: You need lardman | 11:14 |
| RST38h | benson: And yes, it will waste your battery | 11:14 |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:14 | |
| * RST38h uses HSP headphones with N810, they work | 11:14 | |
| zerojay | Such is life. Battery's the main reason it probably wasn't done on the N810 orginally. | 11:14 |
| qwerty12 | Any mods around? This cunt set the topic to the same shit yesterday. | 11:15 |
| zerojay | originally. | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | *OPs | 11:15 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:15 | |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:15 | |
| zerojay | Ugh. | 11:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: How can he set the topic not being an op? | 11:15 |
| doc|home | +t is not set | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Oh...Then set the fucking +t | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Anyone can set the topic. Look at me - I'm changing it back and I'm not an op | 11:15 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:15 | |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:16 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: and only enable setting topic through the bot | 11:16 |
| benson | zerojay: Is there a better solution? | 11:16 |
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| zerojay | benson: Not that I know of. | 11:16 |
| benson | RST38h: And is there a better solution? | 11:16 |
| RST38h | benson: there are exactly two solutions, one uses cpu, another uses dsp (lardman's) | 11:16 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:16 | |
| RST38h | benson: neither is perfect, both will suck the battery dry | 11:17 |
| *** doc|home changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:17 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:17 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: Can infobot ban the bastard? | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: infobot can't do shit | 11:17 |
| benson | RST38h: Where can I find lardman's solution? | 11:17 |
| RST38h | Bad, bad idea not to have a bot here | 11:17 |
| zerojay | Does no one have control over ChanServ? | 11:17 |
| RST38h | benon: talk.maemo.org, google | 11:17 |
| benson | OK | 11:18 |
| * RST38h has no idea how it works on freenode | 11:18 | |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: X-Fade Jaffa can you ban this numpty please? | 11:18 |
| RST38h | On EFNet or IRCNet, the channel bots would already ban the guy | 11:18 |
| ccooke | RST38h: you tend not to get so much arseholery here | 11:19 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Still, having security never hurts | 11:19 |
| *** ccooke changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:20 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:20 | |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:20 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:21 | |
| *** ccooke changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:21 | |
| ccooke | Problem with this is, it kills discussion :-/ | 11:21 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:22 | |
| RST38h | ccooke: doesn't, unless you get a ban-happy admin | 11:22 |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Cut-R's mère BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:22 | |
| ccooke | RST38h: no, I mean the fact that the channel's full of topic change | 11:22 |
| RST38h | ah that...yes | 11:23 |
| ccooke | so... do we know anyone with access to chanserv here? | 11:23 |
| RST38h | How do I look up the names of network admins? | 11:23 |
| ccooke | there should be at least one person | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: /msg chanserv access #maemo list | 11:23 |
| RST38h | aha | 11:23 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:24 | |
| tank-man | so ccooke is the asshole in here? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | No, that would be Cut-R :) | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Not good... | 11:24 |
| zerojay | tank-man: Uh.. no. | 11:24 |
| zerojay | He's changing the topic to the same on #lisp. | 11:24 |
| RST38h | it's some bot | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, incidentally, if this chan is looking for OPs that are actually awake, I'm available | 11:25 |
| mavhc | if only there were a way to stop people changing the topic | 11:26 |
| zerojay | There is but only an op can enable topic protection. | 11:26 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: if you op yourself, you can deal with the bot, then | 11:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: you know what to do. | 11:26 |
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| qwerty12 | ccooke: No, my English sucks... I meant that if #maemo needs new OPs | 11:26 |
| mavhc | sorry, did I not use the sarcasm font? | 11:26 |
| ccooke | ahh | 11:26 |
| frals | god i slept on my ear so its burning like ive spent a whole day in the sun without any sunscreen | 11:27 |
| ccooke | We need one of: GeneralAntilles, Jaffa, X-Fade | 11:27 |
| ccooke | those are the names on the bot's list | 11:27 |
| ccooke | oh, and freenode-staff | 11:27 |
| frals | isn't there like a #feds chan where one could get help? | 11:28 |
| ccooke | (there are a few others too, but they're hostmasks - no nicks) | 11:28 |
| ccooke | usually, yes. I'm looking up its name on freenode | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe one could ask in #freenode | 11:28 |
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| ccooke | btw: list ops: /msg ChanServ ACCESS #foo LIST | 11:29 |
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| lbt | I let them know in #freenode | 11:30 |
| lbt | when an op arrives they'll deal with it | 11:31 |
| ErrantEgo | lbt: feel free to change it back to the old topic | 11:31 |
| ErrantEgo | lbt, etc in here: when an op arrives, have them set the channel +t | 11:31 |
| ErrantEgo | explain to them what happened | 11:31 |
| *** slonopotamus changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:32 | |
| *** ccooke changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:32 | |
| ccooke | sorry | 11:32 |
| slonopotamus | i guess we need more ops | 11:32 |
| ErrantEgo | topic change fight? | 11:32 |
| ErrantEgo | lol. | 11:32 |
| lbt | thanks ErrantEgo | 11:32 |
| slonopotamus | 3 out of 300ppl is pretty few | 11:32 |
| ErrantEgo | lbt: np | 11:32 |
| ccooke | slonopotamus: there are more, I just don't recognise the nicks | 11:32 |
| frals | hehe | 11:32 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:32 | |
| *** qwerty12 changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:33 | |
| ErrantEgo | we've yet to see any other complaints.. | 11:33 |
| ccooke | and I don't have the screen space for the who commands right now:-) | 11:33 |
| ErrantEgo | Cut-R: you should knock it off. | 11:33 |
| zerojay | ErrantEgo: They were doing the same in #lisp, but there was an op there. | 11:33 |
| lbt | ah ErrantEgo, that's the problem; he just changes it right back | 11:33 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:33 | |
| *** ccooke changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:33 | |
| mavhc | you want an ircop | 11:33 |
| ccooke | given that Cut-R is changing the topic exactly once per minute, I'd call it a bot... | 11:34 |
| ErrantEgo | mavhc: freenode staff arent allowed to actively do anything in a channel without them being on the channel's access list | 11:34 |
| aquatix | once every 30 sec | 11:34 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:34 | |
| slonopotamus | same problem in #ubuntu | 11:34 |
| aquatix | ErrantEgo: can't you invite them here | 11:34 |
| mavhc | kline the user for spamming, triv | 11:35 |
| tank-man | its steve ballmer, he is mad about win mobile | 11:35 |
| ccooke | aquatix: not unless time's running faster for you than everyone else :-) | 11:35 |
| ErrantEgo | aquatix: the staff can join under their own power | 11:35 |
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| ErrantEgo | aquatix: however, they arent allowed to do anything in such channels unless they are on the access list | 11:35 |
| ccooke | ErrantEgo: they're onthe list herwe | 11:35 |
| ccooke | /msg chanserv access #maemo list | 11:35 |
| ErrantEgo | hm | 11:35 |
| ccooke | 09:27 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 10 freenode-staff +voOtsriRfAF | 11:36 |
| aquatix | yeah, wasn't specifically talking about using /invite , but i thought maybe if they are here, they can change things | 11:36 |
| slonopotamus | that's just fail. | 11:37 |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:37 | |
| slonopotamus | i suggest increasing number of ops to 5% at least after this incident is fixed | 11:37 |
| ccooke | slonopotamus: good call. | 11:37 |
| ErrantEgo | ccooke: i was just made aware that freenode-staff != *@freenode/staff/* | 11:38 |
| slonopotamus | hehe :) | 11:38 |
| ccooke | ah, how useful | 11:38 |
| ErrantEgo | ccooke: so, to have them be able to do things in here, *!*@freenode/staff/* needs to be added | 11:38 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 11:38 |
| RST38h | anyway is there some special channel where freenode staff stays? | 11:39 |
| ccooke | okay, then. can someone with more screen space do the list command I used and check the other six ops? one might be around but not looking at channel | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | They can still k-line the cunt, right? I mean he seems to be insulting Freenode; not Maemo... | 11:39 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:40 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:40 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| frals | ccooke: i did a /who on the complete masks and didnt get any hit | 11:41 |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:41 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:41 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:41 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:41 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:41 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:41 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| tank-man | This reminds me of a new movie trailer I saw, the invention of lying. This is like cut-r has invented spam in here, the first guy to do it | 11:42 |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| ccooke | *sigh* | 11:42 |
| mavhc | this isn't helping | 11:42 |
| aquatix | i second that *sigh* | 11:42 |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:42 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:42 | |
| * ErrantEgo shrugs | 11:43 | |
| ErrantEgo | i know... | 11:43 |
| ErrantEgo | ok, i am backlogged and laggeed | 11:43 |
| ErrantEgo | theres not much more you can really do until an op shows up | 11:43 |
| lbt | heh | 11:43 |
| ErrantEgo | Cut-R: get a fucking life. | 11:43 |
| lbt | open invite to #mer ;) | 11:43 |
| ErrantEgo | Cut-R: do your fucking homework. | 11:43 |
| ccooke | Okay. Has anyone messaged the ops we *do* know about? | 11:43 |
| ccooke | (don't want to do it more than once) | 11:43 |
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| lbt | ErrantEgo: what command sets the channel +t ? | 11:44 |
| ErrantEgo | i do know its got to be a kid. | 11:44 |
| mavhc | email his isp with threats of libel | 11:44 |
| frals | /mode #maemo +t | 11:44 |
| ErrantEgo | adults with a brain in their head wouldnt do something like this | 11:44 |
| lbt | frals: ta | 11:44 |
| * ErrantEgo nods at frals | 11:44 | |
| aquatix | Though it's not a support channel, you're most likely to find freenode volunteers on the staff social channel, #defocus. | 11:44 |
| aquatix | maybe that helps/ | 11:44 |
| aquatix | ? | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Some other time, I would say flood him off the Net, but it no longer works | 11:44 |
| ccooke | ErrantEgo: I like your optimism and wish I had cause to share it. | 11:44 |
| ErrantEgo | aquatix: staff coverage is light right now | 11:44 |
| ErrantEgo | because of the time of day | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Flooding a cable connection will be problematic | 11:44 |
| aquatix | it's almost noon :P | 11:45 |
| aquatix | but indeed :( | 11:45 |
| ErrantEgo | here, its going on 5 AM | 11:45 |
| aquatix | yeah, i know | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Heffalump is right, we need more ops | 11:45 |
| mavhc | not really, but it's not a great thing to suggest | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Or, alternatively, more ChanServ users | 11:45 |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:45 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:46 | |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:46 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| aquatix | hey Myrtti :) | 11:47 |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
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| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| Myrtti | ohai Gary | 11:47 |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** Cut-R changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 11:47 | |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| *** ErrantEgo changes topic to "Topic for #maemo: Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:47 | |
| lbt | it may be better to leave the topic | 11:47 |
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| frals | id say so as well | 11:48 |
| Myrtti | Gary: so you came to see the turmoil | 11:48 |
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| aquatix | yeah, the big original topic makes the conversation scroll offscreen quick | 11:48 |
| aquatix | oh :D | 11:48 |
| *** Myrtti changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 11:48 | |
| aquatix | and there was much rejoicing | 11:48 |
| ErrantEgo | yay | 11:48 |
| * Myrtti huggles Gary | 11:48 | |
| ErrantEgo | asshat. | 11:48 |
| ccooke | well, that's a relief | 11:49 |
| aquatix | indeed | 11:49 |
| aquatix | good job on the arrow-up-enter buttons people :) | 11:49 |
| ErrantEgo | it makes a mess out of the channel though | 11:49 |
| mavhc | if only nokia chat had that | 11:50 |
| ErrantEgo | thats the only down-side | 11:50 |
| aquatix | true | 11:50 |
| ErrantEgo | :( | 11:50 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 11:50 |
| ccooke | RST38h: no crushing? | 11:50 |
| lbt | no *pussycats* ? | 11:50 |
| aquatix | *g* | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | *rolleyes* | 11:51 |
| RST38h | preceding your next question, no rape either | 11:51 |
| ccooke | lbt: there will always be time for pussycats. Rest assured. | 11:51 |
| lbt | oi... my cat is watching... | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | heya lardman | 11:51 |
| lardman | morning | 11:51 |
| * lbt wiggles cursor to distract her | 11:51 | |
| RST38h | you missed all the action | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | you missed all the fun, lardman | 11:51 |
| lardman | hmm, shall I check the logs then? | 11:51 |
| RST38h | not worth it | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | if you want entertainment, check out the tmo thread with Eldar coming out of the closet | 11:52 |
| lardman | oh, cut-r again? | 11:53 |
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| lardman | hmm, not sure I can stomach tmo at this time of the morning | 11:53 |
| RST38h | it is entertaining though, at least for an armchair shrink | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: Looking at the time, that doesn't say much... :p | 11:54 |
| lardman | weekend :p | 11:54 |
| lardman | at least I thought it was.... | 11:55 |
| * RST38h is dumping several gigabytes of logs | 11:55 | |
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| lardman | RST38h: burn them if they are dry | 11:56 |
| * qwerty12 will blame RST38h for the breakdown of Moscow's sewage system | 11:57 | |
| RST38h | Yes...but first, some coprology... | 11:57 |
| lardman | lol | 11:57 |
| zerojay | lol | 11:57 |
| lardman | ah, tmo here I come.... | 11:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Been done just this morning, right next to the Kremlin | 11:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am afraid the jet was lower than the natural gas one (in May) and less spectacular | 11:58 |
| lardman | yuck | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 11:58 |
| lardman | sure it was pretty craptacular is you were nearby ;) | 11:58 |
| lardman | s/is/if | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Ok, ok, it was just a water main | 11:59 |
| lardman | the typos start afresh | 11:59 |
| frals | *going through 30 topics of unread posts* I knew it was too early to go to bed last night! | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Don't get your hopes too high | 11:59 |
| lardman | ah ok, I was thinking a methane + other "stuff" explosion from the sewer | 11:59 |
| lardman | pages and pages..... | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | just limit yourself to eldar thread | 12:01 |
| RST38h | in terms of hilarity it beats the rest | 12:02 |
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| *** Standley changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 12:05 | |
| frals | lol | 12:05 |
| frals | here we go again | 12:05 |
| Standley | ;-) | 12:05 |
| ErrantEgo | Standley: don't evade bans. | 12:06 |
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| *** frals changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 12:06 | |
| lardman | how do you ban him? | 12:06 |
| lardman | says I need to be a channel op to do that | 12:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: Normally you would have to have an op for that | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Or ChanServ access | 12:07 |
| lardman | or even better work our his ip and send a ping of death | 12:07 |
| RST38h | When General or Jaffa or XFade are online, we should ask them to add more people to ChanServ | 12:07 |
| lardman | and angel if the ping doesn't work | 12:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: No longer works, this has been years ago | 12:07 |
| mavhc | also, noone has any idea what the hell you're complaining about | 12:07 |
| lardman | works again in Win7 so I hear | 12:07 |
| lardman | not the same one mind you | 12:07 |
| RST38h | ah | 12:08 |
| lardman | well DoS then :) | 12:08 |
| lardman | but angel of death sounds equally good | 12:08 |
| *** Standley changes topic to "FREENODE BANDES DE PEDOPHILES VIOLEURS D'ENFANTS ABUSEURS D'INNOCENTS FILS DE PUTES D'ENCULÉS !!!" | 12:09 | |
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| RST38h | I think he is using cable IP, so DOSing will be a problem | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Gary: Standley | 12:09 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: I've got some tools here, I'll try them with your IP first, tell me if they work | 12:09 |
| lardman | oi! | 12:09 |
| frals | qwerty12: :D | 12:09 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, :D | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | please don't suggest DoSing anyone :-( | 12:09 |
| mavhc | in public | 12:09 |
| RST38h | yes, in public... | 12:10 |
| * lardman picks up his bag of "tools" and gets on the train to London.... | 12:10 | |
| Myrtti | wrongdoings of others do not justify yours | 12:10 |
| Standley | Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! | 12:10 |
| Standley | Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!!! | 12:10 |
| Standley | Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! | 12:10 |
| Standley | Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!!! | 12:10 |
| Standley | Gary & jayne <- ALL STAFF OF FREENODE ARE PEDOPHILE !!! FREENODE IS NOT FREENODE BUG JAILNODE OR TRAPNODE !!! WARNING !!! | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Hmm, this thing is a not a bot | 12:10 |
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| Myrtti | boring | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Not human either, so yes, boring | 12:10 |
| ccooke | RST38h: it is a bot. | 12:10 |
| ccooke | just one that's configurable, I think | 12:10 |
| mavhc | well, after that overwheling evidence I'm convinced | 12:11 |
| RST38h | ccooke: If someone is configuring it every 30 seconds, then it is not a bot =) | 12:11 |
| frals | wow that sentence he spammed did not make any sense until i replaced the 'bug' with a 'but' :P | 12:11 |
| mavhc | if you only say something once it's obviously not true, but if someone repeats it a lot it must be, I learned that watching american news | 12:11 |
| lardman | I wonder who the vendetta is against | 12:11 |
| ccooke | RST38h: We could have a long philoophical discussion about where you draw the line between bot and not-bot... | 12:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: The World! | 12:12 |
| ccooke | lardman: Freenode. HTH, HAND | 12:12 |
| lardman | and Gary and Jayne of course | 12:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: As it often happens, it may simply be the lack of sex | 12:12 |
| Gary | what did I do :'( | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Gary: Badmouthed the Lord of Darkness? =) | 12:13 |
| ErrantEgo | Gary: you killed him | 12:13 |
| ErrantEgo | Gary: you bastard! | 12:13 |
| RST38h | ccooke: My stand is that anyone not able to maintain conversation on an arbitrary topic is a bot | 12:13 |
| ErrantEgo | ;p | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | ccooke: This, of course, makes large swath of US population bots. | 12:13 |
| mavhc | or a bit thick | 12:14 |
| lardman | lol | 12:14 |
| ccooke | RST38h: I'd point out that this would rule out many tech... oh, you said it | 12:14 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Not that tech... | 12:14 |
| RST38h | not ONLY, I meant | 12:14 |
| ccooke | (tech: was to be technically) | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Ah | 12:14 |
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| * RST38h wonders if BeyondCompare can handle 2GB+2GB of logs | 12:15 | |
| mavhc | maybe you need beyondbeyondcompare | 12:17 |
| RST38h | I have got the super duper Perl script for that | 12:18 |
| Gary | I wonder what a /kline ErrantEgo would do | 12:19 |
| ErrantEgo | OH NOES | 12:19 |
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| lardman | I'm losing the will to live reading about Eldar or whatever his name is | 12:22 |
| lardman | wasn't he an elf or something? | 12:23 |
| lcuk2 | then ignore it | 12:25 |
| lardman | I have | 12:25 |
| lcuk2 | apart from mentioning it :P | 12:25 |
| lcuk2 | and worryign | 12:25 |
| lcuk2 | and needing more wine | 12:25 |
| lardman | am looking at SU-33W now | 12:25 |
| lcuk2 | o_O | 12:25 |
| lardman | nah, just commenting | 12:25 |
| lcuk2 | ofc :D | 12:25 |
| * lcuk2 thinks lardman feeds the trolls bacon :P | 12:26 | |
| lcuk2 | i know i do | 12:26 |
| Myrtti | BACON! | 12:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: this has to be builtin =) | 12:26 |
| lardman | nah, given up feeding trolls | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk2: This is the food product that you're referring to, right? | 12:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: support for it you mean? | 12:27 |
| RST38h | no, the hw | 12:27 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D98VWrApW4M | 12:27 |
| lardman | it's BT isn't it? | 12:27 |
| lcuk2 | yerga posted about pyrecipe | 12:27 |
| RST38h | it is an extra gadget in your pocket. has to be builtin | 12:27 |
| lcuk2 | and bacon is high on list | 12:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: "should be" you mean? | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | lardman: or ought to be | 12:28 |
| lardman | hmm, no DVB-H near my anyway | 12:28 |
| lcuk2 | is there some sort of batsignal call together method that i could get people with n900s into one place | 12:28 |
| lardman | RST38h: ok | 12:29 |
| lcuk2 | i dont know who would come to such a thing | 12:29 |
| RST38h | lardman: same here, no dvb-h | 12:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You know there is | 12:29 |
| lcuk2 | do i ? which irc channel then i wonder | 12:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I know how to do it | 12:30 |
| lardman | /join #n900-preview-users | 12:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ask qwerty to port XChat to Fremantle =) | 12:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: By asking Eldar? ;p | 12:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: By asking YOU! | 12:30 |
| RST38h | ;) | 12:30 |
| lcuk2 | "help me qwerty 13, you're my only hope" | 12:31 |
| lcuk2 | :O 13 | 12:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And specially for Fremantle port, set /quit messages to "IRCing from N900 right NOW" | 12:31 |
| lcuk2 | he grew up | 12:31 |
| lcuk2 | lololol | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Let'em wonder | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: You port it, you know what you're doing :p | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Actually increment the 900 number every month by 10 | 12:32 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am comparing 4GB of VAX execution traces. | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | A straight build of the Diablo version suffices for me; with the amount of menu options it has, good luck making it use a HildonAppMenu instead | 12:32 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, the problem with that is | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Forget hildonappmenu, just use a stackablewindow | 12:33 |
| lcuk2 | the n900 wont ever quit | 12:33 |
| RST38h | qwerty: btw, VGBA options miraculously fit hildonappmenu, just barely | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | Cool | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | With Transmission, I just removed a ton of them and put them on the toolbar/tap and hold menu | 12:34 |
| RST38h | but 1-2 more options and I will have to get perverse | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | The HIG did say after all for me not to "repeat myself" :p | 12:34 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Old style menus also work, they are just not as cute | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not so keen on them in Fremantle, I must admit | 12:34 |
| RST38h | yea, whoever designed the UI for Fremantle was...mmm...wrong. | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | After using my N800 and N810 with a stylus all the time, not having to use one with the N900 is nice | 12:35 |
| RST38h | but the layouts!!! | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | I mean, the idea was to find a solution that maximizes screen estate usage while allowing for finger input | 12:36 |
| RST38h | They solved #2 all right, but the number #1 got completely forgotten in the process | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | #1 is probably let down with dialogs and the response buttons for it being on the right, but there's ways around that | 12:37 |
| RST38h | like not using the dialogs yes | 12:38 |
| RST38h | the appmenu is also guilty of ignoring #1 | 12:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Precisely ;) | 12:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I have got an idea of how to stick XChat menus into appmenu | 12:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Hildon has got that horizontal "filter" control | 12:39 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Use it as the top level of the menus, and change the actual menu when the filter is changed | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | The menu closes when you select a filter, however. It's a bit anal-retentive to have to keep opening it up again :) | 12:40 |
| RST38h | oh | 12:41 |
| RST38h | maybe if you do it quickly, nobody will notice? =) | 12:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh. True, that could probably passed off... | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | +be | 12:42 |
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| lcuk2 | ive got too many icons on my desktop | 12:49 |
| lcuk2 | qwerty12, btw, more northern accent | 12:50 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8JJkDv7hw | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | oh god | 12:51 |
| lcuk2 | :D | 12:51 |
| lcuk2 | no subtitles either | 12:51 |
| lcuk2 | and i use my stylus :O | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 12:52 |
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| lcuk2 | my god it has portrait mode usage too | 12:52 |
| lcuk2 | :D | 12:52 |
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| lcuk2 | oh crap, ive gotta find a function i wrote a lonnnnnnng time ago | 12:54 |
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| lardman | when I pass a gstreamer bus message, does it make a copy of the data I'm passing through it? | 12:57 |
| lardman | i.e. shall I then free the string I'm trying to pass? | 12:57 |
| lcuk2 | usually yes | 12:58 |
| lcuk2 | but if it crashes, no | 12:58 |
| lardman | useful as ever :p | 12:59 |
| lcuk2 | ie, just try it | 12:59 |
| lcuk2 | you are normally in control of your own allocation | 12:59 |
| lardman | yeah | 12:59 |
| lcuk2 | and when functions get strings they expect to deal with themselves | 12:59 |
| lardman | they usually make copies | 12:59 |
| * lcuk2 nods | 12:59 | |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, what docs say? | 13:00 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, dont swear :P | 13:00 |
| lardman | slonopotamus: dunno, will take some digging for GStreamer, will look in a bit | 13:01 |
| lardman | just thought I'd ask and see if anyone happened to know | 13:02 |
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| Myrtti | eldar thread OLOLOLOL | 13:07 |
| aSIMULAter | mass pwnage? | 13:08 |
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| RST38h | a catarsis! | 13:09 |
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| igagis | Hi! | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | hi igagis \o | 13:21 |
| igagis | beta-testing of new theremin release is going on, thanks to testers a number of bugs was fixed, now version 1.4.0-4 is available in extras-devel, there I added 2 new instrument voices: Trombone and Clarinet. You are welcome to beta-test! | 13:21 |
| igagis | lcuk: hi :-) | 13:21 |
| lcuk | igagis, which backend does theramin use | 13:22 |
| * lcuk cannot remember | 13:22 | |
| igagis | it's ALSA | 13:22 |
| lcuk | does that work on fremantle | 13:22 |
| igagis | but I have thoughts to transfer all sound stuff directly to DSP because currently synthesis eats much processor resources | 13:22 |
| igagis | I did not try it on fremantle | 13:23 |
| lcuk | did you push it to fremantle autobuilder when you sent it up | 13:23 |
| igagis | no I did not | 13:23 |
| igagis | I'm not even sure it will compile for fremantle without some tweaks | 13:24 |
| lcuk | damn! | 13:24 |
| lcuk | do you want to try with the next one | 13:24 |
| lcuk | and then at least you will know | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | when you do, drop into here and shout me, or #liqbase | 13:24 |
| igagis | well, I will definetly try compiling for fremantle someday (I think it will be soon) | 13:25 |
| lcuk | just try ticking fremantle next time you send to autobuilder | 13:25 |
| igagis | ok, I will have you in mind | 13:25 |
| igagis | ok | 13:25 |
| igagis | no problem | 13:25 |
| lcuk | it will not make the others fail if fremantle doesnt work | 13:25 |
| igagis | yes, sure | 13:25 |
| lcuk | and you can read the error report and see if its something trivial :) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | you never know - it might just work too ;) | 13:26 |
| igagis | by the way, main feature on 1.4 release is that it allows listening other players who currently plays | 13:26 |
| lcuk | that was what i said about ages ago :D excellent | 13:26 |
| igagis | lcuk: yes, you are right, it worth trying | 13:26 |
| igagis | :-) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | we were doing some instrumentless jamming the other day | 13:27 |
| lcuk | couple of weeks ago now | 13:27 |
| lcuk | mm time flies | 13:27 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 13:27 |
| igagis | but at this time I have not much people registered on server, so it is hard to catch someone playing currently | 13:27 |
| lcuk | there was a musician at the onedotzero event who it might be good for you to speak with :) | 13:28 |
| igagis | lcuk: cool, what is that? is that just a music player with visualizations? | 13:29 |
| lcuk | the visualization is liqflow - its completely dynamic and the flow is created with finger strokes | 13:29 |
| lcuk | so you draw and its pulled along | 13:29 |
| igagis | cool, and the music is playing is mp3? | 13:29 |
| lcuk | and the pulsing occurs because of the accelerometer detecting drumming on the desk | 13:30 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:30 |
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| igagis | what is the third device which differs from other two? is that a dev-sample of N900? | 13:31 |
| lcuk | what different device? | 13:31 |
| lcuk | <obi-wan> they are all the same </obi-wan> | 13:31 |
| igagis | o the vide there'are two N900 from left and right and on top of them the third which is slightly different | 13:32 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 13:32 | |
| qwerty12 | The fugly one is a dev unit, yes | 13:32 |
| igagis | qwerty12: cool | 13:34 |
| lcuk | mmm scaling of colorcube is wrong | 13:35 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...Someone is reporting the first N900 in ovi store | 13:44 |
| RST38h | n900/n900 game | 13:44 |
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| igagis | lcuk: I've just pushed theremin to fremantle autobuilder, will see how it goes :-) | 14:00 |
| lcuk | cool! | 14:00 |
| lcuk | hopefully we can get some feedback with it | 14:01 |
| lcuk | btw igagis this is a presenation i gave a couple of weeks ago showing liqbase on n900 | 14:03 |
| lcuk | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/15/video-nokia-n900-presentation-with-gary-birkett-and-liqbase/ | 14:03 |
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| igagis | lcuk: liqflow is also your creation, right? | 14:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:04 |
| lcuk | i explain it in the presenation | 14:04 |
| lcuk | it responds really nicely to accelerometer | 14:04 |
| lcuk | and wherever you draw it creates dynamic gravity waves | 14:05 |
| igagis | it looks cool | 14:05 |
| lcuk | yeah you have only seen a tiny bit with big flows | 14:05 |
| lcuk | it gets really intricate :) | 14:05 |
| igagis | :-) | 14:05 |
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| igagis | it uses OpenGL directly or do you use Clutter or something? | 14:05 |
| lcuk | uses liqbase | 14:05 |
| lcuk | runs on n810 | 14:05 |
| lcuk | liqbase can now also create standalone apps :) | 14:06 |
| igagis | it does not use 3d graphics? | 14:06 |
| lcuk | nope | 14:06 |
| lcuk | not yet at least | 14:06 |
| igagis | i see | 14:06 |
| igagis | is it available for download on n810? | 14:07 |
| lcuk | yeah the playground is in extras-devel, its a bit raw at the moment tho | 14:07 |
| lcuk | im not the best coder im just trying to mould ideas with it | 14:07 |
| lcuk | everything i show in the presentation is there | 14:07 |
| igagis | ok, I see | 14:07 |
| igagis | I will check it out ;-) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | and pretty much everything runs well on n810 - cos thats where i designed and optimized it | 14:08 |
| lcuk | it just runs even better on n900 :D | 14:08 |
| * lcuk huggles his shiny slick fremantle device | 14:08 | |
| * lcuk sends aSIMULAter a txt message too :P | 14:09 | |
| igagis | I've got to go now, bye | 14:09 |
| lcuk | cya later igagis | 14:09 |
| lcuk | have fun | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | please upvote this proposal :P http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334172&postcount=243 | 14:15 |
| lcuk | robot wars! | 14:15 |
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| * qwerty12 looks for the "Anti-Thanks!" button | 14:17 | |
| * lcuk sends crashanddie_ round to say Thanks! to you personally | 14:17 | |
| * crashanddie_ puts on his anti-riot gear before heading to qwerty12's area | 14:22 | |
| qwerty12 | lol | 14:23 |
| lcuk | qwerty will kick your ass | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | hrmh | 14:23 |
| lcuk | hes like the anti-governator | 14:23 |
| lcuk | hi Myrtti (K) relaxed this morning? | 14:23 |
| * lardman goes mad with pointers to pointers | 14:25 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I need to go yank the umbilical cord a bit at mums before flying to UK in a week | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | not too intrested, but I guess it has to be done | 14:25 |
| lcuk | you could tie it onto the plane | 14:26 |
| lcuk | and stretch it across europe | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | ...until lcuk decides to have it fried | 14:26 |
| lcuk | its not bacon ffs | 14:26 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: 6 weeks is a long time to stretch it | 14:26 |
| * SpeedEvil passes lcuk a pack of bacon-cure, with instructions. | 14:27 | |
| Myrtti | bah, I should pack my bag | 14:28 |
| lcuk | really | 14:30 |
| * lcuk packs about 10minutes before leaving | 14:31 | |
| Myrtti | yeah, I've got 20minutes | 14:31 |
| lcuk | thats ok then | 14:31 |
| lcuk | pack twice :D | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Forget the brain, think of the Weaponry! | 14:32 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 14:32 |
| lcuk | but we have official reason to make Pusher robots | 14:32 |
| lcuk | they will protect us from the terrible secret of space | 14:32 |
| lcuk | and hopefully wont push grandma downstairs | 14:33 |
| * RST38h tries think of some practical use of N900 | 14:33 | |
| RST38h | We have covered barcode scanners already, right? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | a bit | 14:33 |
| RST38h | How about the whole package delivery system? With barcodes, touch screen notes, signatures, and GPS? | 14:34 |
| lcuk | save the alligator, save the world. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80752886/ | 14:34 |
| lcuk | that comes later i think and would be sponsored by fedex ;) | 14:34 |
| lardman | talking about barcodes ;) http://maemo.pastebin.com/m50b954ad | 14:35 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Now make it go to Amazon and BUY BUY BUY! :) | 14:36 |
| * RST38h laughs demonically | 14:36 | |
| lcuk | how come google doesnt know isbn | 14:36 |
| lardman | it knows ean | 14:36 |
| lardman | the 13 digit codes are actually eans | 14:36 |
| lardman | isbn is 10 digit | 14:36 |
| lcuk | yeah it came back with no results for either | 14:36 |
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| lardman | you just searched for that barcode? | 14:37 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:37 |
| lcuk | ahhh, had to disable safe search "how to improve your sex life with goats" | 14:37 |
| lardman | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chickenhawk-Robert-Mason/dp/0552160989/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1253965053&sr=8-1 | 14:37 |
| lardman | :p | 14:38 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I hear that's a bestseller in the north | 14:38 |
| lcuk | yeah north east london | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm from the east, so... | 14:39 |
| lardman | ah, segfault with QR and dmtx and I have to go into town :( | 14:39 |
| lcuk | not a prob simon! progress at least is great | 14:39 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:39 |
| Myrtti | tata kids | 14:39 |
| lcuk | take pictures of as many barcodes as you can | 14:40 |
| lardman | c ya Myrtti | 14:40 |
| lcuk | cya Myrtti | 14:40 |
| lcuk | lardman, different things you think you want scanning | 14:40 |
| lcuk | you can post process later | 14:40 |
| lcuk | ;) | 14:40 |
| lardman | oh no, I just meant I have to go so can#t fix it now | 14:40 |
| * lcuk will try barcode reading from the la sensa modelling show later | 14:41 | |
| lcuk | just take the camera | 14:41 |
| lcuk | and take pictures | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | test cases in different situations | 14:41 |
| lcuk | they will help you to see how easy it is to use :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | mornin javispedro \o | 14:41 |
| javispedro | morning | 14:41 |
| RST38h | heya javis | 14:42 |
| * lcuk sussed how to get nokia binaries working on sdk :) | 14:42 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: you're trying sdk!! | 14:42 |
| javispedro | now this is news. | 14:42 |
| javispedro | ;) | 14:42 |
| lcuk | errr | 14:42 |
| lcuk | no - i just took the deb blah blah line from my scratchbox install | 14:42 |
| lcuk | which includes my key thingy | 14:43 |
| lcuk | and it works on non emulated armel too :) | 14:43 |
| javispedro | oh | 14:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So, "SDK" is your device? >.< | 14:43 |
| lcuk | LDK | 14:43 |
| javispedro | Lcuk Development Kit lol | 14:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Losers' development kit? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:43 |
| * lcuk changes the install message | 14:44 | |
| * lcuk is pleased to see liqbase colorcube reappearing | 14:46 | |
| lcuk | its been too long | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Next time round, will it reappear with the correct spelling of "colour"? :) | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Only if you ask for a special favoUr | 14:48 |
| lbt | lcuk: shame on you | 14:48 |
| RST38h | And lcuk is in his best behavioUr. | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sure: lcuk, I will arrange it for you to get out of the shithole that is the north | 14:48 |
| lcuk | lbt mmn? | 14:48 |
| lbt | colorcube .... tssk tssk | 14:48 |
| lcuk | haha - you really should stop complaining about the north | 14:48 |
| lcuk | without it, we wouldnt have finland, and without finland you wouldnt have a bloody nXXX | 14:49 |
| lcuk | infact, we wouldnt have irc either | 14:49 |
| lcuk | cos that was invented in oulu | 14:49 |
| * lcuk is northern and proud :) | 14:50 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 is northern and not proud | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | (could someone subtitle that rant please) | 14:50 |
| RST38h | noUrthern | 14:50 |
| RST38h | =) | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | im actually bored and tired and cold | 14:50 |
| mavhc | if you're proud of where you live you haven't studied history enough | 14:51 |
| lcuk | and i have no cash to buy bacon | 14:51 |
| javispedro | so, being a northern is more frowned upon in this channel than being an Android user? | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | mavhc, the first computer came from manchester | 14:51 |
| mavhc | no such thing | 14:51 |
| RST38h | javis: "user" was unnecessary in that sentence | 14:51 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Computer_(Manchester) | 14:51 |
| javispedro | "It was a second-generation computer" | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It says "supercomputer" | 14:52 |
| lcuk | damn wrong link | 14:52 |
| lcuk | that was later | 14:52 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Mark_1 | 14:52 |
| mavhc | not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Small-Scale_Experimental_Machine ? | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Only the Mancunians could make such an anal thing | 14:54 |
| * javispedro lols at yesterday's #maemo-pedo story | 14:54 | |
| RST38h | ? | 14:56 |
| mavhc | The Z3 thus became the first functional program-controlled, all-purpose, digital computer, 1941 | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Cut-R | 14:56 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:56 |
| mavhc | Colossus was the first totally electronic computing device, 1943 | 14:56 |
| RST38h | because it happened today for me =) | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Today was pt. 2 :) | 14:56 |
| javispedro | ah, today's story. | 14:57 |
| javispedro | (reading logs) | 14:57 |
| javispedro | we should all move to a xmpp conference rom | 14:57 |
| javispedro | s/rom/room | 14:57 |
| mavhc | The Atanasoff-Berry Computer was the world's first electronic digital computer, 1939 | 14:57 |
| mavhc | etc etc | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | :D mavhc isnt history great | 15:00 |
| lcuk | we have had so many advancements and the acceleration that occured in those decades was fascinating | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | i still dont know how i could make use of 3d to obtain the rendering stuff i need | 15:04 |
| lcuk | it recursively includes sections from the rest of the system as required | 15:04 |
| javispedro | uh? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | like thumbnails are just rerenders of the live stuff | 15:04 |
| javispedro | a | 15:04 |
| lcuk | at a different scale | 15:05 |
| javispedro | you can do that, but I don't know what the performance will be | 15:05 |
| javispedro | lcuk: that's not uncommon | 15:05 |
| lcuk | not recursively i cant | 15:05 |
| lcuk | and besides - it can render itself in a thumbnail | 15:05 |
| javispedro | Mario Kart's 64 "tv screen" comes to mind | 15:05 |
| javispedro | lcuk: and portal | 15:05 |
| lcuk | of course | 15:05 |
| * lcuk loves portal | 15:05 | |
| lcuk | it just boggles my mind that it can render itself in the scene before its rendered all of its self | 15:06 |
| lcuk | its fractal and hurts head to ponder | 15:06 |
| lcuk | i was reading up about pixel and vertex shaders and stuff | 15:08 |
| javispedro | the idea I guess to just render multiple times | 15:08 |
| lcuk | and i cannot create new geometry with them (i think there is one, but it will be limited by memory i believe | 15:08 |
| lcuk | most of the time it doesnt need it | 15:09 |
| lcuk | but when im scrolling down an introspective tree of the universe | 15:09 |
| lcuk | theres a thumbnail of the treeview im using | 15:09 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:09 |
| lcuk | and its updating | 15:09 |
| lcuk | it works fine using the liqbase renderer | 15:09 |
| lcuk | cos that simply renders until theres no pixel left to render onto | 15:10 |
| lcuk | smaller scale == much quicker == lots of little things happily even on n8x0 | 15:10 |
| javispedro | i think there are two ways to do "that" | 15:10 |
| javispedro | one is to render the scene many times with varying clipping/stencil | 15:11 |
| javispedro | the other is to do what the compositor does (color buffer to texture or something like that) | 15:11 |
| lcuk | yeah, it has clipping already | 15:11 |
| lcuk | thats gonna take lots | 15:11 |
| lcuk | look @ this: its one of the tests of the engine i did in feb | 15:12 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | bottom right is the recursive desktop | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i can just zoom into it | 15:12 |
| lcuk | and its fully live and everything else works | 15:12 |
| lcuk | and includes its own desktop | 15:12 |
| lcuk | and it carries on to infinity :$ | 15:13 |
| javispedro | like infinity? | 15:13 |
| javispedro | you'd have a logic to stop | 15:13 |
| javispedro | like when the area to render < 1x1 | 15:13 |
| lcuk | the renderer stops | 15:13 |
| lcuk | but i can click zoom as far as i want | 15:13 |
| lcuk | well, not any more - i stopped that | 15:14 |
| lcuk | ive got a max dive depth | 15:14 |
| javispedro | yeah | 15:14 |
| javispedro | but limit yourself to a scene (where talking about the renderer) | 15:14 |
| javispedro | sa/where/were | 15:14 |
| lcuk | yeah so in 3d i build up a texture | 15:14 |
| javispedro | s/were/we're/ | 15:14 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: sa/where/we're | 15:14 |
| lcuk | but that bottom right needs to have a texture of the thing im building | 15:14 |
| lcuk | btw, there is a glitch in that matrix | 15:15 |
| lcuk | the clocks show different times | 15:15 |
| javispedro | not a glitch, but because you're rendering it on the fly | 15:15 |
| lcuk | cos the outside rendering occured a little before the inside one | 15:15 |
| javispedro | thus that may happen a guess | 15:15 |
| javispedro | what I'd do (for example): render the deepest calculated one, reset renderer, render the deepest - 1 one, etc, render the top one | 15:16 |
| javispedro | which is probably what you're doing already with libliqbase | 15:16 |
| lcuk | but how do i know which is which - each tile on the topmost might contain anything else | 15:16 |
| lcuk | and its only once i render it do i know | 15:17 |
| lcuk | its just pointer math in the liq* renderer | 15:17 |
| lcuk | and it "just works" | 15:17 |
| javispedro | well, i don't see how it can work in the opposite direction. | 15:17 |
| javispedro | (start rendering the topmost) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | me neither | 15:17 |
| javispedro | I meant! | 15:17 |
| lcuk | which is why im scratching head about using the 3d | 15:17 |
| javispedro | well, i don't see how it can't work in the opposite direction. ;) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | i would have to do a full render scan first and build up a list of all cells needing rendering | 15:18 |
| lcuk | then render them in the order required | 15:18 |
| lcuk | dependency trees | 15:18 |
| lcuk | per frame | 15:18 |
| javispedro | well. | 15:19 |
| javispedro | i can see a few ways so far. | 15:19 |
| lcuk | will take learning more about the powervr :) | 15:19 |
| lcuk | to see how capable and feasible it is | 15:20 |
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| javispedro | and opengl | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:21 |
| lcuk | a path will show itself | 15:21 |
| lcuk | even if it involves restricting renderdepth | 15:21 |
| javispedro | lcuk: but you already do :) | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 15:21 |
| lcuk | but if i did the same with opengl and stuff | 15:22 |
| lcuk | i would run out of memory | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | cos what scale would i render each cell to | 15:22 |
| javispedro | what I don't know is if you're gonna get any extra performance | 15:22 |
| lcuk | at the moment, no matter how detailed the scene is | 15:22 |
| javispedro | unless you want opengl to do weird rotations to cells | 15:22 |
| lcuk | i only ever render maximum 800*480 | 15:22 |
| javispedro | transitions, etc. | 15:22 |
| * lcuk nods | 15:22 | |
| lcuk | that is the *only* reason :) | 15:22 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:22 |
| lcuk | i have strong need for rotation | 15:22 |
| javispedro | well, going to eat something, cy | 15:23 |
| lcuk | k javis, bon appetite | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | Ehhehehe | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | hiya thp \o | 15:35 |
| keesj | slowly getting there http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/3954922955/in/set-72157622287431773/ (real push button in the Lego) | 15:45 |
| lcuk | nice keesj ! | 15:45 |
| lcuk | i dont think your concept will get on a plane tho lol | 15:46 |
| aquatix | ha | 15:46 |
| * lcuk loves the lego kit tho | 15:46 | |
| keesj | the bomb you mean? | 15:47 |
| aquatix | indeed | 15:47 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:47 |
| keesj | I guess I need to keep is all lego, the nice thing is that I can first make it for the N800 and modify it after | 15:47 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:47 |
| lcuk | its sweet tho and practical | 15:48 |
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| javispedro | re | 16:13 |
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| Silveira_Neto | Hi huys, I just bought a N800, I took the red pill, got root and everything, I'd like to know wich version of Maemo I'm using. A "uname -a" gives me "Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Oct 14 11:25:25 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown". Is this the so called OS2008? | 16:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Silveira_Neto: check about product | 16:26 |
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| Silveira_Neto | Stskeeps, there's some menu or comand line where I can see that? | 16:31 |
| lcuk | hey Stskeeps thought you were offline all weekend | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | control panel | 16:31 |
| lcuk | or justcant resist | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, relaxing after a day out | 16:32 |
| Silveira_Neto | Stskeeps, ok, thx, I will check now. | 16:32 |
| * lcuk nods | 16:32 | |
| Stskeeps | Silveira_Neto: and compare with wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 16:32 |
| Silveira_Neto | 5.2008.43-7 | 16:33 |
| Silveira_Neto | december 2008 | 16:33 |
| Silveira_Neto | good =) | 16:33 |
| Silveira_Neto | I'd like to develop some basic hello-world applications to it, and after something using SDL, so I need to compile them using that enviroment using qemu, right? | 16:35 |
| lcuk | yeah | 16:37 |
| lcuk | err | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | rnot necessarily qemu - scratchbox | 16:37 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/ | 16:38 |
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| keesj | or control pannel -> about product | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | :D jonathan coulton is comin to manchester | 16:56 |
| lcuk | shame i cant afford it | 16:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Poor guy. Has anyone told him what he is letting himself in for? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | yes! | 16:58 |
| mavhc | he's so famous now he's out of your price range? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | no, now i havent got a job hes out of my price range | 17:00 |
| lcuk | lily allen also playing :'( | 17:00 |
| lcuk | why oh why did i have to lose job when cool folks are coming up this way | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Now she should move to Manchester | 17:00 |
| lcuk | haha | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Fuck, man, her voice pisses me off | 17:00 |
| * lcuk has her on full volume now | 17:00 | |
| lcuk | the fear | 17:01 |
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| * SpeedEvil sics Florence and the Machine on qwerty12_N810. | 17:02 | |
| * SpeedEvil turns Drumming Song up to 11. | 17:02 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | getitaway!getitaway! | 17:03 |
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| mavhc | just wait until the next day and they'll be 117 iphone video recordings of it on youtube | 17:04 |
| iluminator101 | How could i load maemo5 into a nokie N85? | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | By selling the N85 and buying the N900 when it comes out, whenever that is | 17:05 |
| iluminator101 | ha ha | 17:05 |
| lcuk | mavhc, recordings of what | 17:06 |
| iluminator101 | n900 is out of my budget thats why i asked | 17:06 |
| lcuk | and if i get to either concert i will hopefully post vides from n900 :P | 17:06 |
| iluminator101 | i am sure you load maemo5 into n85 | 17:07 |
| javispedro | no. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | iluminator101, where did you read that? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | cos thats a small limited device | 17:08 |
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| * lcuk would love to try maemo on n97 tho | 17:10 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Also, considering that the N85 has no touchscreen and all, it would be interesting to try and use it on an N85 :) | 17:10 |
| lcuk | its got accelerometer! | 17:10 |
| iluminator101 | when is n900 available in us | 17:10 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 17:10 | |
| lcuk | dunno | 17:10 |
| lcuk | no fixed release date announced yet i believe | 17:11 |
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| iluminator101 | i thought it was out | 17:14 |
| lcuk | thp, scrolling for the sake of it is silly. thank you | 17:15 |
| lcuk | where can you buy them from? | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | if you save up for n900, at some point your savings and the n900 price will intersect | 17:15 |
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| pupnik_ | Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001 so downloading this and part 002 yields a working vmdk? | 17:17 |
| lcuk | i think so | 17:18 |
| lcuk | zip has spanning | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Is N900 usb capable of powering external devices (e.g. USB-flashstick) when in hostmode? Up to which max current? | 17:18 |
| iluminator101 | iphone vs n900 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/9eyag/nokia_n900_vs_iphone_3gs_specs_side_by_side/?sort=new | 17:18 |
| javispedro | heh. | 17:19 |
| javispedro | the n900 has no usb host mode. | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather - it has no officially working host mode. | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly if it can be configured to do host mode is a matter of debate AIUI | 17:19 |
| javispedro | I still don't know if its a software thing or not | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems that's been same with N810? Still N810 can power up to 100mA afaik | 17:20 |
| lcuk | n810 has official usb OTG available | 17:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | The closest thing to an official statement is ambiguous if all that will be needed is cable and external hub - or if it's not possible at all. | 17:22 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 17:23 |
| javispedro | and being the pessimist I am. | 17:23 |
| javispedro | well. | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | logical ostmode should always be possible | 17:23 |
| lcuk | bah | 17:23 |
| lcuk | you are not a pessimist | 17:23 |
| javispedro | realist ;) | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | electrical that's a different story | 17:23 |
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| javispedro | good lock if the controller doesn't cooperate | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | otoh, I (and most people) used to think that the usb port on t|x era palms was hardwired to the gadget-only PXA port. | 17:26 |
| javispedro | and it wasn't. | 17:26 |
| javispedro | that was kinda a surprise :P | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the SoC USB port is capable to do its part of OTG, no? So its just a question of auxilary chips like 5V supply and possibly pullup/down | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | that is a reasonable guess | 17:29 |
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| * javispedro fears the mention of "hw bugs" | 17:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: SoC bigs? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | bugs | 17:35 |
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| javispedro | not sure. I'd pray not. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | only thing you can do for SoC | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 17:36 |
| * luke-jr ponders if SoC manufacterors, upon learning of a post-production SoC bug, make it available at a discount with that feature "removed" | 17:37 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember there was a chip bug for Samsung S3C6400 USB2.0 :-/ | 17:37 |
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| javispedro | on the other side, the pandora & beagle board are using the same SoC series, and the same twl4030 | 17:39 |
| javispedro | afaik. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | beagleboard yes, afaik too | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea if BB supports OTG though | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or pandora | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | pandora should. | 17:41 |
| mavhc | otg is slightly different from just doing host mode though | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know | 17:41 |
| javispedro | http://pandorawiki.org/USB_reference | 17:41 |
| javispedro | has botha | 17:41 |
| javispedro | a pure host and a otg one | 17:41 |
| lopz | hey | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably no chip bug | 17:42 |
| javispedro | the pandora doesn't charge from usb | 17:42 |
| javispedro | well, it does trickle charge | 17:42 |
| javispedro | (i mean, no > 500mA stuff) | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | charge is relatively unrelated to hostmode capabilities | 17:43 |
| pupnik_ | ah kinna break the laws o' Physics, capt'n!@ | 17:43 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Lol. | 17:44 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: well, from the discussion the would seem to be related. | 17:44 |
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| javispedro | ah, that's what happened | 17:44 |
| javispedro | well. | 17:46 |
| javispedro | I think more info is needed about the topic. | 17:46 |
| javispedro | since I cannot think what could have trhown Nokia into now saying otg is not supported | 17:47 |
| javispedro | other than some catastrofic thing | 17:47 |
| lcuk | can we get Standley kicked and blocked and get that damned title sorted | 17:49 |
| lcuk | its unprofessional | 17:49 |
| mavhc | and we've still no idea what they're on about | 17:50 |
| Standley | it's liberty of speech | 17:50 |
| mavhc | free speech comes with responsibility | 17:50 |
| glass_ | Standley: this is too, fuck you and the horse you rode in on | 17:50 |
| javispedro | Standley kicked | 17:50 |
| lcuk | like fuck is it | 17:50 |
| javispedro | Standley blocked | 17:50 |
| glass_ | Standley: since it's presumably french, the point of the message gets lost too to most here | 17:50 |
| javispedro | wow, he is not a bot? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | take your protest to those who need to see itwe are not those peopl | 17:51 |
| Standley | i am a real human. | 17:51 |
| lcuk | no just a stupid motherfucker | 17:51 |
| Standley | abused by freenode and somes operator pedo. | 17:51 |
| mavhc | nah, human implies some kind of rationality | 17:51 |
| javispedro | yeah, it is clear from your behaviour you are 12 year old. | 17:51 |
| glass_ | Standley: well what the fuck has that to do with maemo | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, sorry guys, was sleeping. :P | 17:52 |
| mavhc | why don't you talk to the police then? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | wb General. | 17:52 |
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| Standley | police = jude = pedo | 17:52 |
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| mavhc | what's a jude? | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 17:52 |
| Standley | jew | 17:52 |
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| Standley | police = jew = pedo | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who needs killin'? | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, I see. | 17:53 |
| mavhc | seems unlikely, cite your source | 17:53 |
| glass_ | Standley: maybe you should start a revolution then. good luck finding anyone willing to do that kind of thing with a guy like you | 17:53 |
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| Standley | police = ice = shut down boat titanic | 17:53 |
| lcuk | he has a bot | 17:53 |
| aquatix | autorejoin? | 17:53 |
| mavhc | everyone has autorejoin | 17:53 |
| * lcuk doesnt | 17:53 | |
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| *** Standley was kicked by GeneralAntilles (Thanks, but no thanks.) | 17:53 | |
| aquatix | myeah, it can get you banned | 17:53 |
| *** qwerty12_N810 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 17:53 | |
| javispedro | danke schön. | 17:53 |
| lcuk | thx | 17:54 |
| aquatix | dank u | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, who wants to be deputized? | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | anyone can set the topic | 17:54 |
| lcuk | someone that understands irc hopefully | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you present and accounted for? | 17:54 |
| * lcuk votes qwerty12_N810 he knows everything | 17:54 | |
| lcuk | and is here often lol | 17:54 |
| aquatix | maybe put some access list on the topic? | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, meh, we get real spammers maybe once every 6 months. | 17:55 |
| javispedro | what for? he could've as well come here and flooded the channel | 17:55 |
| aquatix | true | 17:55 |
| javispedro | the problem is that the day shift needs one more OP ;) | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | First time I tried to op myself there my client crashed. :D | 17:55 |
| aquatix | just thinking out loud | 17:55 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: *g* | 17:55 |
| aquatix | i wondered :) | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we didn't have any for the longest time. | 17:55 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yeah, your quit on that moment was quite.. dramatic. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I managed to kick my own ass somehow. | 17:56 |
| lcuk | it was bad when WoW diablo came out | 17:56 |
| * lcuk facepalmed then | 17:56 | |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: hah, always fun | 17:56 |
| javispedro | lcuk: just wait until WoW fremantle comes out | 17:57 |
| * rkirti supports lcuk's vote on qwerty12_N810 | 17:57 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, can I deputize you without you bringing the whole channel down? :P | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | what did you do??? what have you done!!!!!! he'll kick us all now. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Muahaha! | 17:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The power... *gasps*. Now I must start my revenge plan... | 17:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks! | 17:59 |
| lcuk | remember | 17:59 |
| lcuk | this isnt the #idonthaveann900 chan :P | 18:00 |
| javispedro | (will still exists btw) | 18:00 |
| aquatix | lcuk: butbutbut | 18:00 |
| javispedro | s/will/which | 18:00 |
| aquatix | lcuk: I *don't* have an n900 | 18:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: To be fair, I did ban myself from that chan in the end :p | 18:00 |
| mavhc | what's the current state of rumours of a non phone n900 type thing? | 18:00 |
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| crashanddie_ | life will ban you in the end as well | 18:01 |
| mavhc | without the 40% extra cost | 18:01 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, like an n900-touch? | 18:01 |
| mavhc | yes | 18:01 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, rumours are probably pretty strong | 18:01 |
| lcuk | sounds interesting, but the modem is really really useful | 18:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | but if Nokia does it, they're led by the most stupid execs ever | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | and that was what we were told it was anyway | 18:01 |
| lcuk | i have to go be computer repair guy | 18:02 |
| lcuk | bbl | 18:02 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk, got a job yet? | 18:02 |
| mavhc | that seems like it was misdirection | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | no | 18:02 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, got any leads? | 18:03 |
| lcuk | yeah, usb mini usb micro power cables | 18:03 |
| crashanddie_ | good | 18:03 |
| wazd | hello world) | 18:03 |
| crashanddie_ | hello alone | 18:03 |
| lcuk | hello wazd | 18:03 |
| lcuk | goodbye wazd | 18:03 |
| javispedro | hello wazd | 18:03 |
| courmisch | mavhc: no modem => no operator deal => 40% pricier rather than cheaper | 18:03 |
| javispedro | courmisch: you'd wish | 18:03 |
| crashanddie_ | courmisch, the n900 doesn't really have any operator deals anyway | 18:04 |
| javispedro | i'm used at getting my gadgets at less than 200€. no strings attached. | 18:04 |
| mavhc | seems like n900 price is 40% higher than original n810 price | 18:04 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, also has a shitload more features | 18:04 |
| crashanddie_ | and inflation, all that | 18:04 |
| mavhc | but we're in the future, of course it has more features | 18:04 |
| crashanddie_ | doesn't work like that matey | 18:05 |
| mavhc | in general gadgets keep the same price, but get new features | 18:05 |
| crashanddie_ | if it's the same version of the gadget, yeah | 18:05 |
| crashanddie_ | like PS3 becoming PS3Slim | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: in many countries the secondary market is subsidising it. These are independant phone shops that get a subsidy for every contract they sell - that can apply to any hardware tehy like | 18:05 |
| mavhc | no, that gets cheaper | 18:05 |
| wazd | Damn, this army dep. case is even deeper than I thought | 18:05 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, my point exactly | 18:05 |
| mavhc | over time the same thing gets cheaper, and the new better version is released at the original price | 18:06 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, but was the PS3 more expensive than the PS2? | 18:06 |
| courmisch | I don't know the component cost, but I would be very much surprised if the modem accounted for 40% | 18:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: for example - in the UK - you can get it at - IIRC - 32 quid a month. Or 382 quid new in box. Compared to 499 from nokia | 18:06 |
| crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, and where's that then? | 18:06 |
| courmisch | there is a camera, an OMAP SoC, an MMC and a touch screen too | 18:06 |
| crashanddie_ | courmisch, and 32gb of ROM | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx?lpsrc=google&lpcat=NokiaN900l&lpgrp=N900Nokia&lptxt=N900v1&lpkey=n900%20nokia&gclid=CI7E8PeK-pwCFV8B4wodgyBMbg#tabsAnchor | 18:07 |
| courmisch | crashanddie_: you mean MMC | 18:07 |
| crashanddie_ | no, I mean ROM | 18:07 |
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| mavhc | ps1 and ps2 were $299 | 18:07 |
| courmisch | crashanddie_: ROM in the N900? | 18:09 |
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| mavhc | weird, I can't search for $ in chrome | 18:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | courmisch, memory you can't remove, which remains *in* the machine, and which saves data over reboots/loss of power, yes, that is textbook definition of ROM | 18:13 |
| pupnik_ | i thought it meant Read Only Memory | 18:13 |
| mavhc | and you can't edit | 18:14 |
| javispedro | a 1980 book would say so ;) | 18:14 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, oh, and PS2 was indeed $299, but PS3 was $599, so yeah, just blame it on inflation, I guess :) | 18:14 |
| pupnik_ | you know you're old when words don't mean what they used-to | 18:14 |
| mavhc | rom is rom, flash is flash, eeprom is eeprom, there's no real confusion unless people are wrong | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | except eeprom is flash | 18:16 |
| javispedro | now. | 18:16 |
| courmisch | as /dev/mmcblk0 implies, it's an MMC not a ROM | 18:17 |
| crashanddie_ | don't make me bring out my infrared torch and erase your memories | 18:17 |
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| javispedro | what was the discussion anyway? ;) | 18:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | courmisch: Unless someones flipped the read-only switch. | 18:18 |
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| fnordianslip | i suppose some of you might not yet have heard of "Write Only Memory". If not, see: http://www2.vmi.edu/Faculty/squirejc/Research/IC_Datasheets/digital_cmos/Write%20Only%20Memory.pdf | 18:18 |
| crashanddie_ | fnordianslip, OutputStream os = new OutputStream(); | 18:19 |
| courmisch | SpeedEvil: it's supposed to contain the swap and user files. Why would it be read-only anyway? | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Eldar. | 18:19 |
| javispedro | I know about Write Once Read Never memory (WORN) | 18:19 |
| fnordianslip | crashanddie_: huh? | 18:20 |
| crashanddie_ | javispedro, sounds like my gf's clothes... WORN (Wear once, re-use never) | 18:20 |
| mavhc | what are the point of such things? | 18:20 |
| mavhc | WORM discs were Write Once Read Many | 18:20 |
| javispedro | crashanddie_ :) | 18:20 |
| mavhc | your gf wears clothes? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: first time you read his posts? grab a BIG bag of popcorn then | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, been working my way through slowly. | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | mavhc, helps for work (unless she's a prostitute, I guess) | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, link | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I like the one where he summarily dismissed the entire community for being "non-adequate". | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, how's your mac? | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=334114&postcount=387 | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, fucking fast. | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | too much information | 18:22 |
| crashanddie_ | I just wanted to know how it ran | 18:22 |
| mavhc | as fast as women run away from him after talking about his mac | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buuuurn | 18:23 |
| crashanddie_ | marmo | 18:23 |
| javispedro | mahvc: women don't run away now from macs. didn't you read the latest apple memo? | 18:24 |
| crashanddie_ | that guy needs to guy back to highschool and learn some spelling and grammar | 18:24 |
| MoaBird | They never did, as far as I could tell. Macs are the easier of the two major platforms to pick up, in my experiences. (for non techies) | 18:24 |
| mavhc | so they're like guys? | 18:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | mavhc, nice | 18:25 |
| mavhc | linux: the third sex | 18:25 |
| crashanddie_ | trans | 18:25 |
| mavhc | I hear linux is more popular than windows 98 now | 18:25 |
| crashanddie_ | wants to be sexy, but has that rough edge | 18:25 |
| MoaBird | mavhc: I'd be pretty surprised if that was true. It's amazing how many years people will hold onto their old crap machines. | 18:26 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm looking at my PS3, and one of the glossy edges reflected a sticker somewhere in the room... It said "INITRAM" | 18:26 |
| crashanddie_ | init ram? | 18:26 |
| crashanddie_ | I looked around, "MARTINI" | 18:26 |
| mavhc | was some browser stat thing a few years ago | 18:26 |
| crashanddie_ | MoaBird, I guess your statement would make sense, networking on win98 was a bitch | 18:27 |
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| mavhc | "Hackintoshes Possibly More Popular than Linux" "Ubuntu may be more popular than Linux itself in 2010" | 18:27 |
| MoaBird | crashanddie_: As was pretty much everything else, if I recall. Home versions of Windows didn't stop sucking until XP SP2, frankly. | 18:28 |
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| MoaBird | How can Ubuntu be more popular than something it's a subset of? | 18:28 |
| javispedro | mavhc: why that wouldn't surprise me. | 18:28 |
| mavhc | MoaBird: prediction of future search traffic | 18:28 |
| javispedro | OSX86, being way more difficult to install, and having substantially less PCI hardware support, | 18:28 |
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| javispedro | "more popular". | 18:29 |
| javispedro | *sigh* | 18:29 |
| mavhc | more populus? | 18:29 |
| javispedro | "Possibly More Popular". | 18:29 |
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| Firebird | hm, out of game ideas for maemo :o | 18:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: Google "iBoobs" | 18:32 |
| Firebird | I'll pass on the apple apps | 18:32 |
| mavhc | waterfall game? bacteria growth game? | 18:34 |
| glass_ | Firebird: paratrooper clone | 18:34 |
| Firebird | glass_, like shooting airborne people? | 18:35 |
| Firebird | mavhc, what's a waterfall game | 18:35 |
| mavhc | audio game, where you have to adjust the input from the microphone somehow? | 18:35 |
| mavhc | water falls from top, you have to direct it somewhere with limited resources | 18:35 |
| glass | Firebird: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/images/screenshots/paratrooper.gif | 18:36 |
| mavhc | from the days when computers were just powerful enough to do particle staff | 18:36 |
| mavhc | stuff | 18:36 |
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| frals | on what critera is the ideas in brainstorm sorted? its doing my head in to figure it out | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm? | 19:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, nevermind, deputized qwerty12_N810. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 19:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Who is halfway through banning you all... | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | :O | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | i don't blame you | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd ban me too. | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Nah, I'm busy making XChat's search dialog under Fremantle somewhat usuable... | 19:13 |
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| frals | nice, xchat port! :) | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qwerty12_N810: pleased to hear that (XChat). Will be the first app I need to install | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | XChat isn't my port (done by skyhusker) but he seems to have gone AWOL, and I do need my IRC... | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | qwerty12_N810: probably the "ctrl-F / F3" approach will just do a good job. Basically you don't need the dialog anymore, after entering search-regex | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace F3 by a better supported shortcut though :-P | 19:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I've taken the lazier approach and replaced the dialog with a HildonFindToolbar :) | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | that's the "lazier approach"? | 19:35 |
| javispedro | i would want to know what the hard work approach is. | 19:35 |
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| zerojay | I think I'll wait for telepathy-idle instead. ;) | 19:35 |
| javispedro | zerojay: with removed chatroom support in the gui... | 19:37 |
| * qwerty12_N810 likes real IRC clients ;) | 19:37 | |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: count down to someone saying ${RANDOM_CLI_IRC_CLIENT} is the only real irc client: 5.. 4... 3... 2... | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | $REAL_IRC_CLIENT can be defined as anything that is not RTComm/Pidgin... | 19:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | netcat is the only real IRC | 19:46 |
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| pupnik_ | whoever does xterm please implement audio bell | 19:49 |
| penguinbait | and please make it so it can be disabled ;) | 19:49 |
| zerojay | javispedro: | 19:50 |
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| zerojay | er | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Audio mp3 bell | 19:50 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Forgot about that. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It has to be able to play 'My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard' - whenever it beeps | 19:51 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I like real IRC clients... when they're any good and XChat doesn't fit the bill. :) | 19:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RTComm - regarding IRC - has fewer features, and I seem to remember it being generally slow when entering #maemo (and there's more people now than there was when I last used it). RTComm does have a better interface, however, I won't lie there | 19:54 |
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| zerojay | I've been on IRC for over a decade. I can't say I don't miss the extra features from a real IRC client, but I'd rather not deal with something like Xchat at all.. and to do so on a tablet... bah. | 19:57 |
| Sho_ | I imagine we'll put Konversation on Maemo 6, or Maemo 5 already if the kdelibs packaging takes off | 19:58 |
| Myrtti | Irssi ftw | 19:58 |
| zerojay | I'd like to see an IRC client made specifically for the tablets, actually. | 19:59 |
| Myrtti | Well | 20:00 |
| Myrtti | Atleast mirggi is a bearably good one | 20:00 |
| zerojay | Probably won't happen, but hey... a guy can dream, right? | 20:00 |
| Myrtti | jmirc is niceish | 20:01 |
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| zerojay | Java? | 20:02 |
| Myrtti | Theres plenty of irc clients for s60, nothing stops people from developing one for maemo | 20:02 |
| Myrtti | Jmirc is java yes | 20:03 |
| Sho_ | zerojay: well, if we do make a Konversation-for-Maemo we'd look into making the UI work well of course | 20:03 |
| lardman | derf: ping | 20:03 |
| derf | lardman: Pong. | 20:03 |
| zerojay | Sho_: Sure. | 20:03 |
| lardman | can I ask you about your QR code? | 20:03 |
| derf | Yes. | 20:03 |
| lardman | let me get a pastebin up | 20:04 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m42a8176e | 20:05 |
| lardman | I guess I've made a mistake somewhere, but your code only outputs ntext==1 all the time | 20:05 |
| lardman | well I have made a mistake, just wondering if you could see anything fishy | 20:05 |
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| derf | ntext is the number of _strings_, not characters. | 20:06 |
| lardman | was using this to generate QR codes: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ | 20:06 |
| lardman | ah | 20:06 |
| derf | In the even there's more than one code in the image. | 20:07 |
| derf | *event | 20:07 |
| lardman | so how does one access the strings? | 20:07 |
| lardman | is text[i] a pointer to a *char? | 20:07 |
| derf | Yes. | 20:07 |
| lardman | ah, great | 20:07 |
| derf | You have it declared char **text right above! | 20:07 |
| lardman | ah yes, brain fade this morning | 20:08 |
| lardman | do they tend to have more than one string in them> | 20:08 |
| lardman | ? | 20:08 |
| lardman | or is that if there are multiple QR codes in an image? | 20:08 |
| derf | That's for multiple QR codes. | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | Why dont you look at the mobile barcoder extension for firefox | 20:09 |
| lardman | ok cool | 20:09 |
| lardman | Myrtti: overhead, plus this is interesting | 20:09 |
| derf | In fact, with structured append, multiple codes can still produce 1 string. | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | It uses nokias barcode creator | 20:09 |
| lardman | Myrtti: ah it creates does it? | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | And my bf made the extension ;-) | 20:10 |
| lardman | I had to test QR atm, dmtx works fine | 20:10 |
| lardman | and the Nokia stuff is dmtx iirc | 20:10 |
| lardman | ah :) | 20:10 |
| Myrtti | Its javascript afaik | 20:10 |
| lardman | nepotism! | 20:10 |
| derf | It's the way the world works. | 20:10 |
| Myrtti | Just loving suggestion | 20:10 |
| Myrtti | I almost understood how it works | 20:11 |
| Myrtti | I dont really code myself | 20:11 |
| lardman | derf: will try to send you some barcodes that don't decode with zbar this week, batoo is working very nicely | 20:13 |
| derf | lardman: Great. | 20:13 |
| lardman | libdmtx need some work though, it's a real CPU hog | 20:13 |
| lardman | hence the separate thread, which I will try lowering the pri for | 20:13 |
| derf | Yeah... they're not easy to find. | 20:13 |
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| lardman | right, have changed to this, but no output (i.e. blank): http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5eeaad3c | 20:21 |
| lardman | N8x0 binary here if anyone's interested http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ | 20:22 |
| derf | text[1]? | 20:23 |
| derf | In C our indices start at 0. | 20:23 |
| lardman | oh dear | 20:23 |
| lardman | sorry, have been doing MATLAB code today | 20:23 |
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| pupnik_ | be happy, you made me feel better | 20:24 |
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| lardman | ok, that's working better now | 20:25 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:25 |
| lardman | I managed a ~ yesterday instead of ! too | 20:25 |
| lardman | ~lart MATLAB for being different | 20:25 |
| * infobot smacks MATLAB up side the head with a clue-by-4 for being different | 20:25 | |
| derf | It's not Matlab's fault. It's the same as FORTRAN! | 20:29 |
| inz | larman, well, ~ is not, it's just the not you're looking for =) | 20:30 |
| inz | +not | 20:30 |
| lardman | yeah, well really it's my fault of course for not concentrating | 20:31 |
| lardman | but yes, we can also blame the wonders of FORTRAN ;) | 20:31 |
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| lardman | hmm, can't get my "Do you want to open this URL?" dialog to go away.... | 20:35 |
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| * RST38h moos | 20:49 | |
| lardman | baaaaa | 20:49 |
| * qwerty12_N810 kidnaps RST38h and makes him into beef | 20:50 | |
| MuJ | mmm.. raw meat | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Bad, bad idea | 20:50 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: does osso_rpc_run() block? | 20:51 |
| lardman | or is it async? | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | IIRC, yes, it does but I believe it comes in an async form too | 20:52 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | osso_rpc_async_run() | 20:53 |
| lardman | hmm, that's not even causing the problem so it seems | 20:54 |
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| lardman | I've got a gtk_message_dialog_new(), then a gtk_dialog_run() then gtk_widget_destroy(dialog), yet my dialog stays on screen and the app locks up | 20:54 |
| RST38h | it does not get out of _run() | 20:55 |
| lardman | yeah it does, I can press the buttons, but after that it#s locked | 20:56 |
| RST38h | _run() blocks afaik, until the user closes the dialog with Ok or Cancel or whatever | 20:56 |
| lardman | for some reason the destroy fn doesn't work | 20:56 |
| RST38h | does it execute though? | 20:56 |
| lardman | yes | 20:56 |
| lardman | the dialog stays though and I guess it's modal so I can't press any other buttons,e tc | 20:58 |
| RST38h | question: do you call _destroy inside the dialog event loop? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | i.e. inside _run? | 20:59 |
| lardman | no | 20:59 |
| RST38h | then, if you do not exit from _run, where do you call _destroy> | 20:59 |
| RST38h | ? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | (sorry if it is a stupid question) | 20:59 |
| lardman | I have something like: response = gtk_dialog_run(GTK_DIALOG(dialog)); gtk_widget_destroy(dialog); switch (response) { | 20:59 |
| lardman | does _run() not return immediately? | 21:00 |
| lardman | after you press one of the buttons that is | 21:00 |
| lardman | ah, I think it my arguments | 21:01 |
| lardman | was trying to use a char* rather than a printf-style string | 21:01 |
| lardman | hmm, no, that's not it at all | 21:02 |
| lardman | I'll pastebin the code | 21:03 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3624024b | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: Ok | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: bad news: _run won't return until the dialog is cancelled or confirmed | 21:04 |
| lardman | yeah, I'm pressing yes or no | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: ok...and it should disappear immediately | 21:05 |
| RST38h | even if you do not destroy it | 21:05 |
| lardman | it doesn't | 21:05 |
| lardman | hmm | 21:05 |
| RST38h | can you should the dialog implementation?> | 21:05 |
| lardman | should? | 21:05 |
| lardman | show? | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | Wait, let me look something up | 21:06 |
| lardman | ok | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Add GTK_DIALOG_MODAL to flags | 21:07 |
| lardman | ok | 21:08 |
| lardman | same thing | 21:08 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 21:09 |
| lardman | GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT | GTK_DIALOG_MODAL, | 21:09 |
| lardman | ? | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Put a printf before _destroy() call | 21:09 |
| RST38h | just to be sure | 21:09 |
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| lardman | yep, I see that output | 21:11 |
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| lcuk2 | mmmmmmmm | 21:11 |
| lardman | try for yourself if you fancy: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/ | 21:13 |
| lardman | have to install libdmtx0 first though, then run maemo-barcode | 21:13 |
| lardman | must change that name too | 21:13 |
| pupnik_ | QEMU on OMAP3430 x86 benchmarks | 21:15 |
| pupnik_ | 500 and 800mhz http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/48726-qemuonarm/page__st__30__p__757489&#entry757489 | 21:15 |
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| lardman | no doubt some very basic error I've made | 21:16 |
| lardman | ah, is it the output values I've missed out? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | lardman: weird, weird crap | 21:16 |
| lardman | don't want to flood the channel here, but how's 8 lines? | 21:17 |
| lardman | dialog = gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons ("Search", | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_WINDOW(appdata->window), | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_DIALOG_MODAL | GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT, | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_STOCK_OK, | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT, | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_STOCK_CANCEL, | 21:17 |
| lardman | GTK_RESPONSE_REJECT, | 21:17 |
| lardman | NULL); | 21:17 |
| lardman | that works | 21:17 |
| lardman | but in the other code, I don't specify the return values do I? | 21:17 |
| konttori__ | I was just testing dr. noksnes on n900. runs full speed, but sounds are not working :( | 21:17 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So, it simulates a pentium 90 at more or less 100%? | 21:17 |
| konttori__ | also, no fullscreen scaling. | 21:17 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: it does the integer bench 3x faster than P90 | 21:18 |
| pupnik_ | floating point about 1/2 as fast | 21:18 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Yes but does it run gamezzzz 3 times faster ? =) | 21:18 |
| javispedro | konttori_: ta. I'm writing sw scaler support right now | 21:18 |
| konttori__ | which reminds me to ask that would you guys like to get automatic compositor based scaling of any window? (so, you could say: fullscreen window, and resolution 320x200, but compositor would use opengl to scale it to fullscreen) | 21:18 |
| javispedro | konttori_: if you do that, reuse XSP*pixeldoubling* functions API ;) | 21:19 |
| RST38h | konttori: fuck, YESSS | 21:20 |
| RST38h | konttori: PLEASE | 21:20 |
| javispedro | hehe | 21:20 |
| RST38h | konttori: with sugar on top | 21:20 |
| pupnik_ | yes please | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | konttori_: is that a rhetorical question? :p | 21:20 |
| konttori__ | well, it's something I could add to our PR1.1 map | 21:20 |
| * javispedro goes back to writing the sw scaler | 21:20 | |
| javispedro | ;) | 21:21 |
| konttori__ | well, it has not been asked by anybody before. I thought it might be nice to have myself, so I wanted some additional feedback | 21:21 |
| RST38h | konttori: We will sacrifice a dozen of iPhone users in your honor | 21:21 |
| pupnik_ | konttori__: as usual i'm whining about such things to the wrong people :) | 21:21 |
| konttori__ | lol. anyway, I *think* it's not a huge job. Mostly about making it clean on how you set the window. | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I do that service for free | 21:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Perfect! | 21:22 |
| konttori__ | pupnik_: well, I'm heading applications framework, so that kind of issues should be whined to me. | 21:22 |
| pupnik_ | you may use my car if you need it | 21:22 |
| RST38h | konttori: If the same can be done in windowed mode too, even better | 21:22 |
| javispedro | btw. | 21:22 |
| javispedro | does sdl 1.3 try to do hw scaling now? | 21:22 |
| konttori__ | RST38h: well, probably, yeah, it could be done. | 21:23 |
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| konttori__ | I have no idea about sdl 1.3 | 21:23 |
| lcuk2 | hey | 21:23 |
| lcuk2 | the android hacker doesnt think maemo do phones | 21:23 |
| javispedro | me neither, I can't find a recent roadmap | 21:23 |
| lcuk2 | http://gizmodo.com/5367420/google-threatens-cyanogen-android-hacker-with-cease+and+desist | 21:23 |
| lcuk2 | this guy | 21:23 |
| konttori__ | that sounds like such a bad developer PR thing for google | 21:24 |
| konttori__ | I don't understand why they do that. | 21:24 |
| lcuk2 | he left out maemo in his plea | 21:24 |
| lcuk2 | nahhh they want closed source apps | 21:24 |
| konttori__ | pupnik_: you also know that you can just set any fullscreen app to non-composited mode? | 21:24 |
| RST38h | konttori: can I file a few bug to you right here? | 21:24 |
| konttori__ | You gain about 10% of more speed with that. | 21:25 |
| pupnik_ | that's great :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk2 | konttori_, i disabled fullscreen at first because notifications didnt come through | 21:25 |
| lcuk2 | and i missed important messages | 21:25 |
| konttori__ | in non-composited, notifications do not appear. only the blue led blinks. | 21:25 |
| lcuk2 | do message notifications still come on without compositing | 21:25 |
| konttori__ | but the notifications are 'stored' in the dashboard, so it's all good | 21:25 |
| konttori__ | lcuk2: ^ see above. no notifications, but the blue led | 21:26 |
| * lcuk2 noticed | 21:26 | |
| pupnik_ | lcuk has to say 'yes please' also | 21:26 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 21:26 |
| konttori__ | you cannot composite on top of non-composited surface. It's a tradeoff, but makes sense for e.g. games. | 21:26 |
| lcuk2 | compositor costs only 10% coooool | 21:26 |
| konttori__ | you don't want to be disturbed / loose framerate during that | 21:26 |
| lcuk2 | so can you pan back, or does it work like liqbase | 21:27 |
| lcuk2 | ie none zooming | 21:27 |
| lcuk2 | just a keyed window area | 21:27 |
| pupnik_ | konttori__: is DaVinci something that 3rd party developers can use within maemo5? | 21:28 |
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| konttori__ | to be honest, I don't know. | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | konttori_, best of both would be: when the lostfocus event comes - just take a screenshot and store it in a pixmap on the window | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | that way, it freezes, but pans back nicely | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | (its what im gonna do for liqbase asap | 21:29 |
| pupnik_ | New tablets are a great adventure. | 21:29 |
| lcuk2 | all tablets are an adventure | 21:30 |
| javispedro | lcuk2: or start compositing then. | 21:30 |
| javispedro | compiz did something like that iirc | 21:30 |
| lcuk2 | whether it will switch just like that | 21:30 |
| javispedro | full screen video without overlapping windows -> unredirected. | 21:30 |
| konttori__ | I mean, you can access any existing codecs and services, but I don't know that how well you can actually program to the dsp. (that do you need some sdk or alike) | 21:30 |
| javispedro | put a window over -> slows down (gets redirected) | 21:30 |
| konttori__ | There is nothing that we have put that would restrict the use, that's for sure. | 21:30 |
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| konttori__ | compositing/non-compositing switch takes about 50 to 100 ms. | 21:35 |
| konttori__ | so, you can keep switching quite often | 21:35 |
| lcuk2 | konttori__, cool then!have you seen keesj's push! button controller project | 21:35 |
| lcuk2 | perfect for gaming | 21:35 |
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| lcuk2 | konttori__, if not, quick flickr vid, cant find project page right now http://www.flickr.com/photos/51025379@N00/sets/72157622287431773/ | 21:37 |
| lcuk2 | flickr page^ | 21:37 |
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| lardman | re | 21:47 |
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| pupnik_ | moo | 21:50 |
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| lcuk2 | why, oh, why did i suggest qwerty as op | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /kick | 21:51 |
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| Myrtti | Why didnt you suggest me ;-) | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | *chuckle* | 21:52 |
| javispedro | ME, and I'll ban you ALL and convert this channel into my NEW #idonthaveann900!!! | 21:52 |
| johnx | 'mornin | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hullo, johnx | 21:53 |
| javispedro | morning | 21:53 |
| pupnik | thanks for the info konttori__ much appreciated | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | is it morning already? | 22:03 |
| johnx | it was 10 minutes ago... | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx | 22:10 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: it is not morning for 47 more minutes | 22:10 |
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| lcuk2 | Myrtti, you were not up for nomination because you would kick everyone who disagrees with pink | 22:24 |
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| konttori__ | lcuk2: interesting project. How do the keypresses get handled to the device? | 22:34 |
| lcuk2 | mmm what do you mean | 22:35 |
| lcuk2 | are you suffering from contacts app popping up? | 22:35 |
| * lcuk2 has followed a keypress through the window manager | 22:35 | |
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| konttori__ | I meant the keesjs push! button controller | 22:36 |
| konttori__ | oh, yeah, the way contacts are getting key events is a bit irritating. | 22:36 |
| lcuk2 | thats fairly easy from what i gather | 22:37 |
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| lcuk2 | you can send fake x11 keypresses | 22:37 |
| lcuk2 | you can make the bluetooth just use the HID profile | 22:38 |
| lcuk2 | or even a joystick profile itself | 22:38 |
| lcuk2 | and so when it comes over the wire the bt subsystem does the heavy lifting required | 22:38 |
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| keesj | bt-hid it the really easy (and expensive stuff) I bet my money on a variation of http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html + using the IR transciever as cheap way of doing things | 22:41 |
| lcuk2 | neat! | 22:42 |
| keesj | but for now I am doing "over the top" with the hammer. I am tempted to even use several PIC's for each lego block so I don't need to much wires | 22:44 |
| lcuk2 | doesnt mindstorms lego have a bluetooth brick | 22:45 |
| lcuk2 | http://mindstorms.lego.com/overview/bluetooth.aspx | 22:45 |
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| zombieff | hi all, i've got a problem with my nokia n800: the screen often "quakes" and sometimes slides from top to bottom cyclically | 22:56 |
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| zombieff | i don't even know is the problem with software or hardware | 22:56 |
| pupnik | wow | 22:56 |
| zombieff | *if | 22:56 |
| pupnik | what happens when the screen is gone? | 22:56 |
| zombieff | it appears at the top of the physical screen | 22:57 |
| zombieff | almost seamlessly | 22:57 |
| zombieff | at slides down | 22:57 |
| zombieff | *and | 22:57 |
| pupnik | kind of like a television without working vsync? | 22:57 |
| zombieff | yep) | 22:58 |
| konttori__ | anybody know if opengles1 packages are available for fremantle somewhere? | 22:58 |
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| keesj | not opengles2.0? | 22:59 |
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| konttori__ | they are by default on the device | 22:59 |
| konttori__ | I need es1 to get quake3 running | 23:00 |
| lcuk2 | konttori__, i would have thought you above anyone else in this chan would know | 23:00 |
| lcuk2 | i thought it ran already? | 23:00 |
| konttori__ | well, I don't know if they are in the open available | 23:00 |
| konttori__ | and I don't have access to internal systems from home | 23:00 |
| konttori__ | blah. on monday then | 23:00 |
| konttori__ | yeah I wanted to take a video of it | 23:00 |
| konttori__ | now to bed. | 23:01 |
| keesj | bye | 23:01 |
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| pupnik | cheers konttori__ | 23:01 |
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| javispedro | wow. | 23:08 |
| javispedro | truly the state of ogles 1 is unknown? | 23:09 |
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| pupnik | argh. in the ubuntu desktop vmware image, my numlock is locked down | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | zombieff, other people have N800 with same problem :/ | 23:17 |
| zombieff | ShadowJK: so it isn't curable? :( | 23:20 |
| zombieff | no solution? | 23:22 |
| zombieff | > This is an issue the N800. You have to replace the LCD. | 23:26 |
| zombieff | that's what i googled | 23:26 |
| lcuk2 | zombieff, ive heard of it only once before | 23:27 |
| lcuk2 | does it seem effected by temperature | 23:27 |
| lcuk2 | ie works normally at first | 23:27 |
| lcuk2 | then drifts as it heats up? | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps has an N800 that does the same thing | 23:28 |
| johnx | (or gets better as it heats up) | 23:28 |
| lcuk2 | thats who i meant | 23:28 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can tell C compiler NOT to modify function arguments on stack? | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: you can put "const" in front of the parameters | 23:34 |
| javispedro | i don't know how the optimizer will react to that | 23:34 |
| RST38h | optimizer does not give a fuck | 23:35 |
| javispedro | what kind of parameters you're talking? | 23:36 |
| RST38h | as far as it is concerned, parameters are fair game for temporaries | 23:36 |
| RST38h | func(int a1,int a2,int a3) | 23:36 |
| javispedro | that's what I am saying | 23:36 |
| RST38h | a1,a2,a3 should not change on stack | 23:36 |
| javispedro | int b = a1; b = 3 would change a1 | 23:36 |
| unixSnob | func (const int a1, const int a2, const int a3) | 23:37 |
| unixSnob | func (const int&, const int&, const int&) <= even better | 23:38 |
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| javispedro | yeah, even if it accepts the keyword it may ignore it. | 23:42 |
| RST38h | snake blood and a skinned hedgehog and a bat wing...========== Rebuild All: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped ========== | 23:42 |
| RST38h | it worked | 23:42 |
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| javispedro | [rep] yeah, even if it accepts the keyword it may ignore it. | 23:43 |
| javispedro | ah, did you run it? | 23:43 |
| RST38h | yep. | 23:44 |
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| javispedro | :) | 23:46 |
| caotic | So, what is required to be able to get your current location on maps in the N810 ? | 23:47 |
| caotic | I always get location information not available | 23:47 |
| RST38h | javis: Thanks! You saved me from having to modify ~5000 lines of assembly code | 23:48 |
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| johnx | caotic, and you're outside with a clear view of the southern sky? | 23:49 |
| caotic | indoors right now but can be fixed. How about when inside a car. Will that terribly affect it ? | 23:50 |
| johnx | dunno | 23:50 |
| johnx | probably not once it has a fix | 23:51 |
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| johnx | it's just getting the first fix in a new area that takes a while | 23:51 |
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| caotic | k, going outside :P | 23:51 |
| * lcuk2 always does a full shutdown battery pop before taking n810 in car. not had a problem since :) | 23:51 | |
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