| MrGoose | lcuk: any chance you were on the underground? because then I can imagine how you found so much time | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | no i was on a virgin train from manchester to london using adhoc from laptop to tablet | 00:00 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, awesome, *begins work on the next game* | 00:02 |
| * lcuk sets up git-core | 00:02 | |
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| woglinde | git git git | 00:02 |
| Firebird | boo, /me hugs svn | 00:02 |
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| woglinde | git-svn | 00:04 |
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| woglinde | Firebird where do you commit if your svn-server is down? | 00:04 |
| Firebird | to my hard-drive? | 00:05 |
| javispedro | woglinde: I tatoo my commits on my svn server's admin's head. | 00:05 |
| johnsq | woglinde: get a better server provider | 00:05 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:05 |
| lbt | svn is for people who can't spell git | 00:06 |
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| ArSa | hm... google uses Perforce | 00:12 |
| zerojay | Expensive. | 00:12 |
| ArSa | not terribly | 00:12 |
| zerojay | Compared to free? | 00:13 |
| ArSa | compared to TFS :P | 00:13 |
| zerojay | We're going to be switching from SVN to Perforce at work soon too. | 00:13 |
| ArSa | doesn't seem to be doing much other than SCM, but i guess it does it very well | 00:14 |
| ArSa | (ms used it) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | javispedro, those commits, let me guess, u use a hammer to actually get the build process working | 00:16 |
| javispedro | that's when my NFS mounted home is so slow make takes a few minutes to just decide what to do. | 00:17 |
| zerojay | Perforce does a lot more than versioning. | 00:17 |
| RST38h | it brings money! | 00:18 |
| `0660_ | what else do you need from a vcs? :) | 00:18 |
| javispedro | zerojay: it kills developers? | 00:18 |
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| javispedro | the killer VCS! | 00:18 |
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| * javispedro would hope for a VCS electroshocking the authors of two conflicting commits... | 00:21 | |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows how hildon-input-method works? | 00:21 |
| zerojay | lol | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: fm. f*** magic. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | :( | 00:25 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 00:26 |
| * rkirti points to the usual suspect -- if (problem.domain = hildon*) { solution.provider = qwerty12_N810} | 00:26 | |
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| javispedro | ah, object oriented irc. | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, I really do not (as usual) know anything... | 00:27 |
| bobbyd | does anyone know if the specs for the 3d hardware in the n900 have been released anywhere? | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | it's powervr sgx iirc | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | javispedro | 00:32 |
| lcuk | any ideas how to deal with these packages properly | 00:33 |
| lcuk | so its not a pita for anyone | 00:33 |
| javispedro | what packages? | 00:33 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Any idea? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | all the liq* ones | 00:33 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Because it is behaving weirdly | 00:33 |
| lcuk | im thinking a single bulk package build | 00:33 |
| lcuk | RST38h, "weirdly" | 00:34 |
| lcuk | define please | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | and i might be able to help | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: No, sorry. But, out of curiosity, weirdly how? | 00:34 |
| * lcuk bets it has to do with contacts | 00:34 | |
| lardman | night all | 00:35 |
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| * javispedro ponders wether to download the engadget video or not... | 00:46 | |
| javispedro | at least, it'll be worth a good laugh. | 00:46 |
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| javispedro | (I hope :P) | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Watch it on the iPhone for the best experience... | 00:47 |
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| b-man16 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/18/olpc-gets-microwaved-molded-into-stunning-piece-of-art/ - this is downright awful >:( | 01:11 |
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| qpoi | has anyone here tried or seen flash video on the n900? if so, is YouTube choppy or stable? | 01:26 |
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| qpoi | I couldn't find any hands on videos with flash being demonstrated | 01:27 |
| zerojay | Good idea. | 01:27 |
| andre__ | qpoi, stable. haven't tried HD though | 01:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | YouTube works fine, but, like Andre, I haven't tried HD | 01:28 |
| andre__ | i'll try now | 01:28 |
| zerojay | me too. | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | HD will be a stretch | 01:28 |
| qpoi | Andre__, what about flash intensive sites? | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | it's 480p, I think, and the flash players is a very heavy path for video to go through | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | the real question is if porn sites work. can't sell well otherwise. | 01:29 |
| zerojay | I'm not running the latest firmware though. Gotta wait for Monday for that. :/ | 01:29 |
| javispedro | I will try now too. On my 1998 laptop. | 01:29 |
| * javispedro cries | 01:29 | |
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| Woolly | evening | 01:29 |
| javispedro | or morning :) | 01:30 |
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| Woolly | I suppose you might be correct there | 01:30 |
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| Woolly | anyone a gstreamer-junkie? | 01:31 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, any recommended porn pages I should test for you? :-P | 01:31 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:31 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: be careful: he's into animal porn | 01:31 |
| * qwerty12_N810 hides | 01:31 | |
| zerojay | Youtube's not 100% smooth, but definitely way better than on N810. | 01:31 |
| Woolly | need to get to the bottom of why gstreamer wont let me capture at 5fps :( | 01:31 |
| * javispedro goes back under the bridge and continues crying there :P | 01:31 | |
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| qpoi | zerojay - HD or norm? | 01:32 |
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| zerojay | Norm. | 01:32 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, i have that official nokia "hide animal-porn" browser plugin installed, i will see an overlay with donald duck and mickey mouse instead | 01:32 |
| zerojay | But again, my firmware is WAY out of date. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | andre: Doing what though is the question | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | andre: and is minnie involved? | 01:32 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: Oh, what a novel idea! :) | 01:32 |
| qpoi | about how many fps is yt running at? | 01:33 |
| andre__ | SpeedEvil, not allowed to tell anybody - NDA in place | 01:33 |
| RST38h | andre: And what will Donald and Micket do? | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 01:33 |
| zerojay | It's Youtube. I don't know why you would expect any decent FPS anyways. | 01:33 |
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| javispedro | ok. would you all stop conspirating right in front of the public eye | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Yeah, I only go there for the comments... | 01:33 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad Flash isn't accelerated. | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | qwerty12_N810, you're one sick puppy | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can't disagree there | 01:34 |
| qpoi | I'll return in a few mins | 01:34 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: don't lie to us. half of all those comments were made by you. | 01:34 |
| javispedro | the server logs don't lie. | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | I specially like the comment you made in that donald and mickey video... | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast the x86 version of flash can use HW accelerated scaling... dunno what adobe has done for N8x0 and N900 :/ | 01:35 |
| * javispedro notices engadget twogibibyteish video finally downloaded. | 01:36 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: I'd bet my fried palmt|x they've made nothing. | 01:37 |
| Mousey | are n810s out of production now? | 01:37 |
| javispedro | even though they have a freaking accelerator just designed for accelerating flash there, totally unused. | 01:38 |
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| * ShadowJK ponders trying to get mplayer compiled with VFP again | 01:38 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: the current one isn't ? O.o | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | the current one is so old that the vfp code in it didn't exist | 01:39 |
| javispedro | how cool. | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | Unfortunately maemo4 scratchbox is also so ancient that it barfs on vfp | 01:39 |
| javispedro | you mean qemu/cputranps? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | i use fremantle one. | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | I mean binutils | 01:40 |
| javispedro | as ? | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | it's from 2005 and doesn't seem to understand all VFP instructions | 01:40 |
| javispedro | remembers reading something in sbox changelog.. | 01:41 |
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| andre__ | hmm. i should postpone the "split chat product in bugzilla into frontend, backend + split im/chat into p2p and irc" to tomorrow. sigh. complicated. however came up with the initial design, it's not cool... | 01:41 |
| zerojay | andre__: Do you have the extra telepathy packages working, such as butterfly? | 01:42 |
| andre__ | on fremantle? never tried | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Don't forget support for bouncers. | 01:51 |
| andre__ | for butterflies? | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can have it running at home without relying on flaky cell connections for logging and stuff | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Ignore me. | 01:52 |
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| * javispedro bangs a capacitive touch screen in the presenter's head | 01:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget is so fail these days. | 01:54 |
| javispedro | debate. yes, what debate. | 01:55 |
| javispedro | i did not see any........ | 01:55 |
| javispedro | "I like Memo 5" | 01:57 |
| javispedro | is that new official pronunciation? | 01:57 |
| RST38h | It is Fermantle | 01:57 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect only the finns and japanese pronunce it the way whoever came up with it | 02:00 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 felt guilty saying "Maymeo" to Jussi :\ | 02:01 | |
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| javispedro | actually, I remember that someone posted it is pronunced like a spaniard would do | 02:02 |
| javispedro | thus. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | :D | 02:02 |
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| javispedro | curiously enough, /me pronounces it like "mah - eh- mow", which is nowhere near the spanish pronnunciation. :P | 02:05 |
| javispedro | (which would be ma-eh-mo) | 02:05 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Now that the N900 is black, and the SDK theme too, they should just drop the first two letters and just call it "Emo" | 02:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +is | 02:06 |
| zerojay | These are all things I was worried about with doing a podcast. ;) | 02:08 |
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| * VDVsx facelpam at qwerty12_N810 | 02:08 | |
| * javispedro remembers the m130, where you could smash your fingers through the screen and it would still not detect anything | 02:08 | |
| javispedro | ah, well. *sigh* | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "N900: Running on the Linux-powered Emo platform. Comes with a free razor." | 02:09 |
| RST38h | dull razor, too | 02:10 |
| bobbyd | hmmm | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | qwerty12_N810, memeo? | 02:10 |
| * javispedro likes "Memo 5 Operating System", which literally means "The operating system for idiots" | 02:11 | |
| javispedro | (in spanish :P) | 02:11 |
| bobbyd | t mobile seem to be offering the n900 in the uk, but thir "fair use" policy forbids IM traffic :/ | 02:11 |
| Woolly | I have a gtk.dialog window popup in my full screen app. is there a way I can ignore any mouse events to the screen in the background when the dialog is open? | 02:11 |
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| ShadowJK | bobbyd, lol what | 02:11 |
| mavhc | bobbyd: does it forbid ssh tunneling? | 02:11 |
| dottedmag | bobbyd: does it formid VPN traffic? | 02:12 |
| dottedmag | mavhc: :) | 02:12 |
| bobbyd | it seems pretty restrictive | 02:12 |
| bobbyd | mavhc: probably | 02:12 |
| mavhc | it's just their standard terms, can probably ignore it | 02:12 |
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| dottedmag | bobbyd: ssh on 443 port and tunnelling. | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: "memeo" sounds like "I'm pissing myself rigth now". | 02:12 |
| bobbyd | well not if they're blocking standard ports... | 02:13 |
| javispedro | playing with m you can do such a lot of funny words... | 02:13 |
| qpoi | andre__, zerojay: either of you fellas still here? | 02:13 |
| mavhc | I've not found the catch, but the carrier "3" in uk were offering PAYG with free skype even if you don't top up | 02:13 |
| andre__ | qpoi, hmm? | 02:13 |
| javispedro | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nX1HkRxQX4M/ShrdimsDGlI/AAAAAAAABYE/afDrjj_KWtg/s400/me_meo.jpg see? memeo. | 02:14 |
| zerojay | qpoi: Sup? | 02:14 |
| qpoi | i was on my phone earlier when i connected here, couldn't type fast enough on the touchpad so i decided to wait until arriving home | 02:14 |
| qpoi | anywho, were you two just joshing me? or do you actually have access to some of the test units | 02:14 |
| bobbyd | do you think there's any disadvantage to buying a US model for use in the UK? it's a lot cheaper... | 02:15 |
| bobbyd | (n900 that is) | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | you might have to pay UK VAT and import duties | 02:16 |
| andre__ | qpoi, i have a test unit. | 02:16 |
| bobbyd | andre__: of the n900? | 02:17 |
| qpoi | andre__: could you give me a rough approximation of the frame rate yielded when watching low def youtube? | 02:17 |
| qpoi | via browser | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: it's the same price | 02:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I have the Nokla N900. I couldn't help it, their promo material!... | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: if you have to pay import duties and tax. | 02:17 |
| zerojay | qpoi: As I said earlier, asking that question is a bit funny since Youtube's pretty much low fps anyways. | 02:17 |
| bobbyd | hmm yes | 02:17 |
| * javispedro facepalms after watching the jon interview | 02:18 | |
| qpoi | zerojay: there's a big difference between 5 and 20 fps | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: also - there are people offering it on contract - sortof - small internet phone delaers | 02:18 |
| zerojay | qpoi: So it's not always easy to tell if you're seeing low fps because of the video's encoding/capturing or because of the tablet. | 02:18 |
| javispedro | the interviewer wouldn't have stand a chance with the older palm ceo, ed colligan. ed would have beat the presenter to death | 02:18 |
| bobbyd | SpeedEvil: yep, looking there now | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx?lpsrc=google&lpcat=NokiaN900l&lpgrp=N900Nokia&lptxt=N900v1&lpkey=n900 nokia&gclid=CI7E8PeK-pwCFV8B4wodgyBMbg#tabsAnchor - boob | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbo | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 02:18 |
| qpoi | zerojay: the question i'm asking is relative to that of desktop speeds -- not absolute | 02:19 |
| bobbyd | yep0 seen that | 02:19 |
| bobbyd | I like the t mobile deal, if it's not as restrictive as it seems | 02:19 |
| bobbyd | ge | 02:19 |
| bobbyd | oops :). Get the n900 and unlimited (up to 1GB per month) for 39 quid a month for 12 months and 40 quid up front | 02:20 |
| bobbyd | pretty good | 02:20 |
| qpoi | zerojay: is it comparable to desktop speeds on yours? | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | bobbyd: t-mobile deal? | 02:20 |
| bobbyd | SpeedEvil: yep, through that site | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't see t-mobile | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe they've updated since I last looked | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | was just voda | 02:22 |
| bobbyd | you have to click the tabs at the bottom | 02:22 |
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| bobbyd | then select pay monthly | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC the cheapest through voda 'SIM free' - well - it comes with a voda 'simplicity' SIM - was 396 | 02:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which works out to - comparing with the contract - 6/mo for the contract - the network connection part | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | which isn't too bad | 02:23 |
| bobbyd | right, but then you don't have mobile web... | 02:23 |
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| bobbyd | the t-mobile deal is £90 more for unlimited web for a year, so £7.5 a month, which is pretty good | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | qpoi, got an N8x0? | 02:29 |
| bobbyd | actually, missed an extra £40 there, so it's about a tenner | 02:29 |
| bobbyd | andre__: tell me one thing, is it as good as it seems from the videos? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Check the extras - IIRC t-mobile were throwing in free wifi access or something | 02:30 |
| bobbyd | hmmmm | 02:30 |
| andre__ | bobbyd, that's a very vague question | 02:31 |
| bobbyd | andre__: ok, do you feel any of the features have been misrepresented, and don't live up to the hype? | 02:32 |
| andre__ | i in general have issues with such open questions. e.g. define "the videos". i think i haven't seen all of them | 02:32 |
| andre__ | and the latest hardware that's going to be sold is definitely better than what's around here | 02:33 |
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| javispedro | why, why, why on earth doesn't HildonCheckButton inherit from GtkToggleButton, or even better, GtkCheckButton. | 02:34 |
| andre__ | javispedro, wasn't there a bug report about that? | 02:35 |
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| javispedro | andre__, right, as usual :) | 02:35 |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4739 | 02:35 |
| andre__ | in short: because it's too late to break api | 02:35 |
| javispedro | WONTFIX. *sigh* well. | 02:35 |
| andre__ | in long: yeah, very stupid to not think about it in the beginning | 02:36 |
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| bobbyd | SpeedEvil: http://www.theunwired.net/?item=restriction-t-mobile-uk-prohibits-use-of-voip-and-im-over-its-web-n-walk-service | 02:41 |
| bobbyd | battery's dead, see you later... | 02:42 |
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| mavhc | tmobile offer a web'n'walk plus normally that lets you voip | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | that is 06 though | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I would check that's still true | 02:48 |
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| mavhc | tmobile didn't punish you like you were a terrorist if you went over your quota either, vodaphone don't on one play now also | 02:49 |
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| ishkabibble | Test first time #maemo | 03:11 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 03:15 |
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| * b-man16 yawns | 03:28 | |
| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 03:29 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-98-113-71-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 23h 32m 13s ago, saying: 'finally, its up.... ;)'. | 03:29 |
| b-man16 | 0.o...... -_- | 03:29 |
| * b-man16 bugs him on twitter | 03:29 | |
| Macer | hm | 03:30 |
| Macer | http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=productspec&item_id=12 | 03:30 |
| Macer | need to get one of those | 03:30 |
| Macer | i have an a-110 and an a-100 | 03:30 |
| Macer | a-100 doesn't have dts passthrough though :-\ | 03:30 |
| Macer | damnit | 03:30 |
| Macer | which has become a bit of a nuisance | 03:30 |
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| Macer | maybe i can install mer on it! | 03:34 |
| Macer | :) | 03:34 |
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| johnx | allo all | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy-ho. | 04:54 |
| zerojay | Yo. | 04:55 |
| johnx | gah, some days work feels like a real descent into madness | 04:55 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, and we'll (rm_you, you and I) all finally be at the same place at the same time it seems :D | 04:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, world's gonna end. ;) | 05:10 |
| johnx | well, that's the goal at least | 05:10 |
| johnx | muahahaha | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either that, or I'm going to have to fight rm_you_. ;) | 05:10 |
| johnx | I'll ref | 05:10 |
| johnx | but if he calls for help I'll have to take his side | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tag team?! | 05:11 |
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| johnx | except without the tagging :) | 05:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully he's man enough to only yell for help when he's down. :D | 05:14 |
| johnx | he's always been a very pragmatic sort... | 05:14 |
| johnx | except when he isn't | 05:14 |
| johnx | but...why do you need to fight him? | 05:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I dunno, I just feel like that's what has to happen. | 05:20 |
| johnx | ah, ok then | 05:21 |
| johnx | as long as he agress too | 05:21 |
| johnx | are you helping him with graphics for adv brightness ^2? | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't looked at it. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably need a new icon. | 05:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs a statusbar screenshot. | 05:24 | |
| johnx | need some new graphics too, possibly | 05:24 |
| johnx | hmm, maybe I should try some graphics today | 05:24 |
| johnx | feeling pretty burned out from hacking | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you should be playing video games like me. ;) | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | ... | 05:26 |
| johnx | mmm | 05:26 |
| johnx | dunno | 05:26 |
| johnx | not sure if I have even that much energy | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | C'mon, save the world one dead dead zombie at a time. | 05:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 2,999 | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just one more. | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno why people always insist on making announcements about leaving and never coming back. | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Inevitably they always do. | 05:36 |
| johnx | they also think that someone cares | 05:36 |
| johnx | then people go and prove them right by caring | 05:36 |
| johnx | or is this someone we care about? | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, we really don't care. ;) | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3,000 | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can die now. | 05:37 |
| johnx | I cared when TexRat disappeared for a while...but other than that | 05:37 |
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| Macer | scrolling text people | 05:43 |
| Macer | :) | 05:44 |
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| Macer | omg i got the green nyquil and it tastes like stale jagermeister | 05:44 |
| Macer | it is disgusting | 05:44 |
| johnx | dayquil FTW | 05:45 |
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| Macer | no way. nyquil is way better when you're going to bed ;) | 05:45 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Who's never coming back now? | 05:46 |
| Macer | haha | 05:47 |
| Macer | Jesus? | 05:47 |
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| zelrikriando | hello | 05:52 |
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| zelrikriando | hmm | 06:31 |
| zelrikriando | so quiet here | 06:31 |
| johnx | a little | 06:32 |
| johnx | it is a friday after all | 06:32 |
| johnx | and it's a little early for the EU people still | 06:32 |
| zelrikriando | yeah | 06:32 |
| johnx | had a question? | 06:32 |
| zelrikriando | I guess I am a nolife | 06:32 |
| zelrikriando | that might be the answer | 06:32 |
| zelrikriando | hmm actually yes I do | 06:32 |
| johnx | well, I'm here on a friday night too | 06:32 |
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| zelrikriando | is maemo set to be on other devices than tablets/phones? | 06:33 |
| johnx | that's one of those questions that seems pretty clear cut | 06:33 |
| zelrikriando | I think I am also asking if maemo is nokia only | 06:33 |
| johnx | I don't think nokia is strongly pushing it that direction right now, but it is open source | 06:33 |
| zelrikriando | ok | 06:34 |
| zelrikriando | but nobody has 'stolen' the code yet to make a port | 06:34 |
| johnx | and there's a project called the mer project which takes the open parts of maemo (the ui mostly) and rebases it on debian/ubuntu | 06:34 |
| zelrikriando | ok | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, Nokia appears to have no interest in licensing it at the moment. | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, the closest thing is, as johnx says, Mer. | 06:35 |
| zelrikriando | it'd be nice if it can expand to more hardware :) | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 06:35 |
| johnx | and mer does aim to be source-package compatible in most of the ways that matter | 06:35 |
| infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 06:35 |
| zelrikriando | ok | 06:36 |
| johnx | zelrikriando, what device are you thinking? | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer is basically Maemo without Nokia's closed differentiation stuff on top. | 06:36 |
| zelrikriando | johnx: netbooks/smartbooks or laptops even | 06:36 |
| johnx | hmmm | 06:36 |
| johnx | well...maemo/mer is really optimized for touch based interfaces on smallish screens | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly it's not really appropriate for that. | 06:36 |
| zelrikriando | ok | 06:37 |
| johnx | I can't picture it being all that fun on a netbook | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Touch doesn't translate well to trackpad/keyboard. | 06:37 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Moblin may be more what you're looking for. | 06:37 |
| johnx | or ubuntu unr | 06:37 |
| johnx | big fan of that myself :) | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both, so far, mostly seem like Clutter demos. ;) | 06:37 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, except that one has a real distro behind it ;) | 06:38 |
| zelrikriando | I d need to consider unr | 06:38 |
| zelrikriando | on my laptop | 06:38 |
| johnx | on a real laptop, ubuntu is pretty nice | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moblin's being slightly more impressive than Ubuntu's, but the whole Fedora thing. . . . | 06:38 |
| zelrikriando | I am running Linux Mint right now | 06:38 |
| johnx | ah | 06:38 |
| johnx | dunno what to tell you | 06:38 |
| johnx | grass always looks greener on the other side I guess | 06:39 |
| zelrikriando | I dont like fedora/rpm stuff | 06:39 |
| zelrikriando | yeah | 06:39 |
| zelrikriando | I am just interested in trying new stuff I guess | 06:39 |
| zelrikriando | being bored on my gnome :D | 06:39 |
| * johnx decided boring was good for his main machine | 06:40 | |
| luke-jr | zelrikriando: I'm running KDE 4.3 on my N810 | 06:40 |
| johnx | you should try that BeOS-alike: Haiku OS | 06:40 |
| zelrikriando | hmm | 06:40 |
| zelrikriando | let me look it up | 06:40 |
| zelrikriando | hmm | 06:42 |
| zelrikriando | looks very minimalist | 06:42 |
| zelrikriando | luke-jr: I have had bad experience with KDE 3.5 | 06:42 |
| zelrikriando | ^^ | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | I have terrible experience with GNOME | 06:43 |
| johnx | had a bad experience with avocado dip once :/ | 06:43 |
| zelrikriando | by bad, I mean very bad | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | zelrikriando: KDE is basically a semi-rewrite with every major version | 06:44 |
| johnx | sick to your stomach for half a day? | 06:44 |
| zelrikriando | like downloading a gnome-based distro in the middle of the night to fix my computer | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | zelrikriando: fail | 06:44 |
| zelrikriando | :p | 06:44 |
| johnx | alright | 06:44 |
| johnx | desktop wars means, I should have dinner instead :P | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | johnx: what do you think of the new Zaurus? | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:45 |
| johnx | luke-jr, that's a good question | 06:45 |
| johnx | dunno | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | XD | 06:45 |
| johnx | on the one hand I kinda hate sharp | 06:45 |
| johnx | and I'm sad to see them drop the good keyboard, as well as the convertible tablet form factor | 06:45 |
| johnx | but it looks so nice. and so freaking fast for an ARM | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I'm pondering hacking up a custom handheld with the SoC | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | applied for the developer program :) | 06:48 |
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| johnx | which SoC? | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | Freescale i.MX515 | 06:49 |
| johnx | dunno. do you have connections to someone who can make the case? | 06:50 |
| epilido | just install the fremantle sdk How do I get it to save the repositories so I can try some of the extrasprograms | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | johnx: maybe I will hack it into my C760 :p | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora - Redux: The Reckoning | 06:51 |
| johnx | luke-jr, hack it into a broken Psion 5 | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | why | 06:51 |
| johnx | better keyboard, more screen space | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | I love my C760's kb | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | good point on screen size tho | 06:52 |
| johnx | what I really want is for one of those hybrid black+white/color LCDs to show up in something running linux | 06:52 |
| johnx | well, bigger screen, half the res though :/ | 06:52 |
| johnx | anyways, need to eat now | 06:53 |
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| jaem | evening, folks | 07:12 |
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| jaem | so... I just found out that my uni is getting an N900 for me to play with :) | 07:13 |
| jaem | yay | 07:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fun | 07:23 |
| jaem | yeah, it's for a project some others are working on with different phones | 07:24 |
| jaem | it should be interesting | 07:24 |
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| johnx | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/18/video-dfi-hybrid-motherboard-runs-two-whole-systems-simultan/ | 08:07 |
| johnx | two separate systems running off one motherboard | 08:07 |
| johnx | it sounds kind of neat, but didn't I hear about it somewhere else? | 08:07 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah back when people were putting PC cards in their non-PC workstations? | 08:09 |
| johnx | ah, right | 08:10 |
| johnx | yeah, and the i486 for older Macs | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | they still do | 08:10 |
| johnx | this would be really darn cool in a linux system, with X11 over a totally "local" network | 08:10 |
| johnx | I want two core2duo systems though | 08:10 |
| johnx | not a core2 and an atom :/ | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833342002 | 08:11 |
| johnx | is that the one running linux? | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 08:12 |
| johnx | kinda neat I s'pose | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | PowerPC | 08:12 |
| ShadowJK | imagine if you had like virtualization, and could migrate system image from one CPU to the other | 08:12 |
| johnx | I want it the other way around though, with the lower power machine being the master | 08:13 |
| ShadowJK | or if you ran http://www.mosix.org/txt_about.html on it | 08:13 |
| johnx | I really like the physical separation, especially separating the I/O | 08:15 |
| johnx | CPU scheduling is pretty easy to balance, but I/O scheduling seems more difficult | 08:15 |
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| johnx | guys from the UK: stop complaining about the price of the N900 :P | 08:21 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 08:23 |
| johnx | free with 18months of t-mo contract is not too bad | 08:23 |
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| johnx | qwerty12 just headed out the door to buy one :P | 08:24 |
| ShadowJK | somehow the use of the word "free" in that context makes me cringe :) | 08:25 |
| johnx | s/free/subsidized/ | 08:26 |
| johnx | still, lots of people were asking for it | 08:26 |
| johnx | probably mostly USians though | 08:26 |
| johnx | though in the US we don't get a break for going month to month | 08:26 |
| ShadowJK | operators here haven't yet managed to make it complicated enough without users crying foul and jumping ship | 08:27 |
| ShadowJK | complicated enough for users not to figure out how much the operator is really subsidizing, I mean | 08:27 |
| johnx | and the 30GBP/month isn't really *more* than we'd be paying in USD for the same services | 08:27 |
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| johnx | so that leaves a 16month commitment, which would be fine for me since the phone will only get 3G in the US with t-mo anyways | 08:28 |
| * ShadowJK checks if his operator has "productized" n900 yet | 08:29 | |
| ShadowJK | the CEO promised in the forums that it's coming :-( | 08:29 |
| johnx | eh, it'll get it in more hands | 08:30 |
| johnx | and really, for some people it is actually a better deal | 08:30 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 08:31 |
| johnx | phones subsidized by contract | 08:31 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if I should preorder from nokia or wait for general availability :x | 08:34 |
| johnx | well, it's already down ~60USD from amazon.com | 08:34 |
| johnx | i bet it's 550GBP a couple weeks after launch | 08:35 |
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| ShadowJK | well there'll certainly be competition on the margin amongst retailers | 08:40 |
| ShadowJK | but I don't see nokia dropping the price for many months | 08:41 |
| johnx | really? | 08:41 |
| johnx | ah, hmm | 08:41 |
| johnx | actually that makes sense | 08:41 |
| johnx | maybe a price drop in january | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | With N97 they were dropping the price because there wasn't really much hype and/or demand.. | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | Seems like N900 is going to be supply limited for a few months | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | It would just be stupid with a price cut when people are queueing to get their devices :) | 08:42 |
| johnx | i doubt it'll be constantly sold out or anything like that | 08:43 |
| johnx | anyways, I think I might actually sleep for once this week | 08:43 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder if the slip from october to novemberish is to give the good software people more time, or to build up bigger inventory first | 08:44 |
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| ShadowJK | nini | 08:44 |
| johnx | it's to let the pandora have a shot at showing up first ;) or at least to keep the race interesting :D | 08:45 |
| * johnx really sleeps | 08:45 | |
| ShadowJK | hah | 08:46 |
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| Stskeeps | morm | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | n | 09:02 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: I've already got one in my hands... | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morn qwerty12 | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps | 10:06 |
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| * Meizirkki just got confirmation that TB has same USB problems Beagle has http://innovatingtouch.com/index.php?topic=25.45 | 10:23 | |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | scary, my sb2 setup actually worked | 10:25 |
| carboncopy | ah.. welcome carboncopy_n810 :D | 10:26 |
| carboncopy_n810 | oh thank you :p | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | SB2? Working? | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'm as surprised as you are : | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | P | 10:27 |
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| lcuk | mornin Stskeeps, lbt, rkirti, qwerty12 etc \o | 11:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Hi lcuk | 11:46 |
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| lbt | o/ | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Missing London already? | 11:47 |
| lcuk | hi q, what you upto today? | 11:47 |
| lcuk | yes | 11:47 |
| lcuk | muchly | 11:47 |
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| lcuk | there were so many great people that i cannot wait to continue the conversations with | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: nothing much, in all honesty | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | ...then you had to go back to horrible, dreary Manchester | 11:48 |
| lcuk | manchester isnt that bad | 11:49 |
| lcuk | its just having to do codemonkey stuff thats bad | 11:50 |
| lcuk | it drains my creative energies | 11:50 |
| lcuk | i have spent the week doing a braindump of everything required to develop work code | 11:50 |
| lcuk | i might be leaving my job, but it is not my intent to leave them up the swanny | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | This for the benefit of your co-workers, and not your boss? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's considered professional to help a smooth changeover i guess :P | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah tis, i just have 10 years of knowledge where i was principle maintainer of multiple systems | 11:59 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie_: peng | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i was doing documentation and testing up till the end of my previous work | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | to make sure everything worked | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's a plus everything still does | 12:00 |
| * lcuk nods | 12:00 | |
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| lcuk | i need a proper stand for this n900 | 12:06 |
| lcuk | gonna make a new crate - but im gonna make it standalone | 12:06 |
| lcuk | would be cool to have speakers too | 12:07 |
| lcuk | could use a simple oldschool radio for it | 12:07 |
| lcuk | heh :D puttin it into the tape space of a ghetto blaster :D | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10237_Presenting_the_Cityman_450_ant.php | 12:09 |
| lcuk | bravo! | 12:10 |
| lcuk | thats splendid | 12:10 |
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| aSIMULAtor | morning maemonians | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | g'morning | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | morning aSIMULAtor | 12:36 |
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| Corsac | hey there | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | mornin aSIMULAter \o | 12:54 |
| * lcuk finally found time to post in journal | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 | 12:54 |
| Dantonic | damn it why doesnt it have a bigger screen!!!!!! :( | 12:55 |
| lardman | morning chaps | 12:55 |
| Dantonic | hi | 12:55 |
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| GAN800 | Dantonic, meh, interestingly everybody who's actually used one says you don't notice. | 12:59 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, mmm its not the size of it | 12:59 |
| lcuk | +1 gan | 12:59 |
| GAN800 | It's only the armchair speculators that seem to be up in arms. | 12:59 |
| crashanddie_ | blueslee gone? | 12:59 |
| Dantonic | idk lcuk size does matter! | 12:59 |
| Dantonic | I wish it was 4" | 12:59 |
| crashanddie_ | so quoted | 13:00 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, find out where you can play with one | 13:00 |
| Dantonic | ya | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | No thanks. I don't like holding bricks to my ears to use as phones. | 13:00 |
| lcuk | and i am almost certain you will see its not a problem at all | 13:00 |
| crashanddie_ | "[10:59] <Dantonic> idk lcuk size does matter! [10:59] <Dantonic> I wish it was 4"" | 13:00 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, i originally thought it would be too small too | 13:00 |
| Dantonic | haha don't save that post crashanddie_ | 13:00 |
| lcuk | and infact i thought liqbase sketching wouldnt work | 13:01 |
| * lcuk is happy to be proven wrong | 13:01 | |
| Dantonic | don't quote me out of context!! | 13:01 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, its in google forever | 13:01 |
| Dantonic | LOL | 13:01 |
| lcuk | when people search for "its not the size" they will know you have a small weiner | 13:01 |
| Dantonic | darn! | 13:01 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | It's OK, lcuk loves them | 13:02 |
| lcuk | i was asking about the smartq7 and comparing it with the 12" lenovo we have | 13:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up trying to sleep. | 13:02 | |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12 | 13:03 |
| * lcuk strokes his 3.5inches of shinyness | 13:03 | |
| Dantonic | LOL | 13:03 |
| Dantonic | do you have one lcuk? | 13:03 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:03 |
| Dantonic | oh | 13:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 13:04 |
| Dantonic | :P tell me about it | 13:04 |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 | 13:04 |
| lcuk | and that is why | 13:04 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.bash.org/?903015 | 13:04 |
| crashanddie_ | It has been done | 13:04 |
| lcuk | haha | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 13:04 |
| * lcuk is in bash too | 13:04 | |
| lcuk | somewhere | 13:04 |
| crashanddie_ | Thou shall not be frgttn | 13:05 |
| lcuk | http://www.bash.org/?884782 | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: London Rejects? | 13:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:05 |
| lcuk | thats you | 13:05 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, would you like to shake qwertys hand | 13:05 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, nice one | 13:05 |
| crashanddie_ | fuck me,no | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | You're the one who had to get his ass out of London to go back to Manchester :p | 13:06 |
| Dantonic | how do I find out where I can play with one? | 13:06 |
| crashanddie_ | well that's even worse | 13:06 |
| Dantonic | probably nowhere! | 13:06 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, at the summit | 13:06 |
| lcuk | i assume there will be one or two there lol | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie_: can you extend quotes? | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | "[11:06] <Dantonic> how do I find out where I can play with one?" would be a nice addition | 13:06 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12, nope, too late | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | damn | 13:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | qwerty12, London might be the shithole of the universe, but Manchester is still in Northern England, and therefore, a gazillion time worse | 13:07 |
| Dantonic | lol qwerty12 ... touche` | 13:07 |
| crashanddie_ | and lcuk's highlight detector on "northern" just went BEEP | 13:08 |
| Dantonic | wish I could be there... | 13:08 |
| Dantonic | but I'm in sunny California | 13:08 |
| lcuk | ahhh Dantonic | 13:08 |
| crashanddie_ | oh fuck, I need to put down my days off for the summit, book the plane and hotel | 13:08 |
| Dantonic | :( | 13:08 |
| crashanddie_ | Dantonic, I'll be there next month ;) | 13:08 |
| Dantonic | oh yah? I'm not telling you where I live! | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | He'll bring his "N900" | 13:08 |
| Dantonic | :P | 13:08 |
| lcuk | he doesnt need to know, you are advertised and are an attraction | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | haha | 13:09 |
| lcuk | "the guy with the 3.5incher" | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | crashanddie_, where are you gonna be? | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | where in ca? | 13:09 |
| crashanddie_ | Dantonic, I'll be around Fremont during the week, but in SF or maybe going down to LA for the weekend | 13:09 |
| crashanddie_ | staying for a couple of weeks | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | hmm well I live about 1.5 hours from SF | 13:09 |
| Dantonic | O_o | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | in which direction? | 13:10 |
| Dantonic | east | 13:10 |
| Dantonic | Sacramento area | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | k | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm actually to rent a car | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | s/y/y tempted/ | 13:10 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: I'm actually tempted to rent a car | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | I saw they had a viper for rent for $250 a day, lol | 13:11 |
| Dantonic | haha | 13:11 |
| Dantonic | that's an 8.0L engine | 13:11 |
| crashanddie_ | so? | 13:11 |
| Dantonic | you'll need a lot of gasoline | 13:11 |
| Dantonic | :P | 13:11 |
| crashanddie_ | petrol :P | 13:12 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, btw, I was told there were some rumours about me being an alcoholic? | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | MMS, portrait, 3.5" | 13:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Silly, silly, silly | 13:13 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, because I was so adamant about buying wine/beer during our dinner at odz | 13:13 |
| lcuk | mmm crashanddie_ they went back to rumours? | 13:13 |
| crashanddie_ | so it is you :P | 13:14 |
| lcuk | not at all, i drank like a horse at odz | 13:14 |
| lcuk | is that the right saying? | 13:15 |
| lcuk | fish!!!! | 13:15 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 13:15 | |
| qwerty12 | whore | 13:15 |
| * lcuk is goin mental | 13:15 | |
| lcuk | why did i have horse in mind lol | 13:15 |
| Dantonic | you pissed like a horse? | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 13:17 |
| Dantonic | maybe you were thinking of that | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | It's what he was doing last night, best thing available in Manchester | 13:17 |
| lcuk | http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_402.htm | 13:17 |
| lcuk | no, eat like a horse is an actual saying | 13:17 |
| lcuk | drink like a fish is the other one | 13:17 |
| Dantonic | I could eat a horse! | 13:17 |
| Dantonic | idk different countries | 13:17 |
| Dantonic | different sayings | 13:17 |
| lcuk | Myrtti has a pony | 13:18 |
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| Dantonic | here it's "I gotta piss like a racehorse!" "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!" "I'm as drunk as a skunk!" | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | no, no, I have a sugar rush | 13:18 |
| lcuk | heh good mornin :D | 13:19 |
| Myrtti | *DINGDONG* | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | ok, how does this slashdot firehose work | 13:19 |
| lcuk | ive got a posting here: http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 and i tihnk its inthe firehose somwhere | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | You just wrote it in hte journal? | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure those go into the firehose | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: get a real blog | 13:21 |
| lcuk | slashdot is a real blog | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Debatable | 13:22 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, on the zoo when posting a journal entry i can decide | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://slashdot.org/submission | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:22 |
| lcuk | and besides, ive been a longterm member of slashdot since wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before even liqbase and nokia n810 | 13:22 |
| Dantonic | hey anyone use flite with the festival package? | 13:23 |
| lcuk | flite is the speach synthesis thing isnt it? | 13:23 |
| Dantonic | yeah | 13:24 |
| Dantonic | was reading about the "festival-multi" package... with all the new voices | 13:24 |
| Dantonic | tried installing it cant get it to speak | 13:24 |
| Dantonic | :P | 13:24 |
| * lardman gives a small focused curse | 13:26 | |
| lcuk | damn | 13:26 |
| crashanddie_ | lol | 13:26 |
| lcuk | the guys at tinker.it got a speak n spell working with authentic voice | 13:26 |
| lbt | new voices? | 13:26 |
| crashanddie_ | just did a joker challenge in batman AA | 13:26 |
| lbt | is rab still there? | 13:26 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:26 |
| crashanddie_ | i killed a few guards in 1:49.37 | 13:26 |
| crashanddie_ | and I'm 21,962nd | 13:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, whats your boggle dude? | 13:27 |
| lardman | is that a reference in the bible? | 13:27 |
| lardman | focusing | 13:27 |
| Corsac | erf, seems sfr will subsidize the n900 at 460€ with a 12m contract | 13:27 |
| Corsac | that just sucks | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: if it's a really good data contract that's not bad :P | 13:27 |
| lcuk | you mean what has to be done manually normally | 13:28 |
| lcuk | the half press | 13:28 |
| lcuk | which should be software controllable | 13:28 |
| lcuk | any chance of actually just switching the cam into macro mode | 13:28 |
| lcuk | instead of automatic | 13:28 |
| lardman | urgh? | 13:29 |
| lardman | no I mean how to focus in sw | 13:29 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: http://www.phonehouse.fr/nokia/n900-pre-commande/NON900 | 13:29 |
| Corsac | there's a 250€ but the operator just sucks | 13:29 |
| Corsac | and I don't really want to change anyway | 13:29 |
| Corsac | Disponible | 13:30 |
| Corsac | sous 10 jours | 13:30 |
| Corsac | == available in 10 days (can't really believe it :) ) | 13:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | then don;t | 13:31 |
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| lardman | hmm, anyone got a link to some GStreamer examples? | 13:35 |
| lardman | in c | 13:35 |
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| kirma | corsac: that ten days would actually correlate with the wholesaler shipping estimates given to some US resellers | 13:38 |
| kirma | but yes, I'm exceedingly skeptical if that's going to hold, especially in this case. | 13:38 |
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| felipec | lardman: what kind of examples? | 13:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: work it out and I've got mod points :) | 13:47 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:47 |
| lardman | felipec: basic ones; but I've just found a hello world in the tutorial, so am all set, thanks | 13:48 |
| lardman | felipec: am seeing if I can get the fm radio to work | 13:48 |
| GAN800 | Word of advice, don't machine-gun forum replies on limited sleep. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://slashdot.org/submission/1075821/N900-hacking-contest-launched?art_pos=1 | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | also | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 13:49 |
| felipec | lardman: ok, I guess you meant for a client app | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Too easy to look like a complete retard. | 13:49 |
| lardman | yes indeed, sorry for not being more specific | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: what did you do on talk.* now? :P | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, lots of dumbass muscle memory typos. | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | That other thing was intentional. :P | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | like Maemo.org? :P | 13:51 |
| GAN800 | wd reset. | 13:53 |
| GAN800 | Fun. | 13:54 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil mod points mean nothing for firehose | 13:54 |
| lcuk | everyone has a chance | 13:54 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, s/it/on/ s/aren't/are/ | 13:54 |
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| Corsac | kirma: the thing is, if I understand correctly the 5-steps plan Nokia has, for the 4th step there should be some marketing done, before the release | 13:55 |
| Corsac | I mean, mass marketing or something | 13:55 |
| lcuk | when you are logged in and view the journal entry here http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 dont you have the firehose +- things? | 13:55 |
| Corsac | which has not yet happened, at least here | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I mean - I can't find the link in there anyway | 13:55 |
| * lcuk cant either | 13:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no, I don't | 13:55 |
| lcuk | they screwed with the firehose since i last used it | 13:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/firehose/ | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - bad topic | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | most people won't have heard of most of the keywords | 13:56 |
| lbt | I notice the Ts&Cs for PUSH include "and Nokia may publish the material free of charge and/or incorporate it or any concepts described in it in our products without accountability or liability" "and you agree to indemnify us if any third party takes action against us in relation to the material you submit." | 13:57 |
| * SpeedEvil finds out that lcuk is ugly. | 13:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: that generally means if you ripped something off - or infringed a patent. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: fairly normal i think | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: So do a full patent search before submitting. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | lbt, hows that work with the announced hardware hacks using TM and C material | 13:58 |
| lbt | it would be if PUSH were a GPL type thing... | 13:58 |
| lcuk | speak n spell, viewmaster rolodex etc | 13:58 |
| lbt | but I got the feeling PUSH was more on the commercial side... | 13:58 |
| lbt | or at least had that aspect... | 13:58 |
| lcuk | its for use in a storefront installation | 13:58 |
| lcuk | so yeah its gonna be commercial | 13:59 |
| lbt | so "give us your cool ideas and we'll take 'em and make money - thanks" | 13:59 |
| lbt | just wondering out loud | 13:59 |
| lcuk | but it gives the opportunity for the teams to be brought together, given resources and help to produce a top class design and showcase it for the world :) | 13:59 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: the thing about contracts is not what they are for, but what they say. | 14:00 |
| lcuk | in open source we rarely get the opportunity to bring our ideas through because of funding issues. this removes that barrier and gives people valuable pathway to commercial bespoke artistic installations :) | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: yes - I know - the above comment wasn't totally serious. | 14:01 |
| lbt | :) | 14:01 |
| lcuk | lbt, the art of open source :) | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | As a full patent search for non-trivial software is going to cost you _lots_. | 14:01 |
| lbt | so I just noticed and thought I'd mention it... | 14:01 |
| lbt | lcuk: so it would be nice for them to say they'd consider open-hardware-ing suitable projects... | 14:02 |
| lcuk | well the projects ARE being pushed to use open hardware | 14:02 |
| lbt | heh - you know I'm not a fanatic... | 14:03 |
| lcuk | the arduino project is an open spec microcomputer controller for exactly this | 14:03 |
| lcuk | its the sort of stuff that would cost thousands of pounds in my school days, but you can use it to hook up cool stuff | 14:03 |
| * lcuk is gonna be making all sorts of things soon | 14:03 | |
| lcuk | the last hardawre hack i made was ripping a mouse apart and using the motion sensors in a double pendulum | 14:04 |
| kirma | corsac: I thought the fourth step really refers to N900 with Maemo 5, and fifth step is Qt platform (on Maemo 6 and others) | 14:04 |
| lbt | http://openremote.org/display/orb/OpenRemote+Box | 14:04 |
| lardman | how do I create a callback using glib? I want to stop my command line program after e.g. 10s | 14:05 |
| lcuk | kirma, the 5th step involves a chorus of whatever technologies it needs to connect us :) | 14:05 |
| * lbt wants his N900 to have a thermostat | 14:05 | |
| * lcuk believes its the only harmonious way possible | 14:05 | |
| lbt | so it knows whether I'm cold and to turn the heating on | 14:05 |
| lbt | (of course, it would help to know I'm at home too) | 14:05 |
| lardman | it probably has one on the die.... | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: I think it does have a CPU thermostat prolly | 14:06 |
| kirma | it pretty certainly has a temperature sensor... on the battery | 14:06 |
| lbt | hmm run at idle and work out ambient... | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - simply write code to detect shivering. | 14:06 |
| lcuk | samppa, do these heartrate monitors include thermometers? | 14:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:06 |
| lcuk | speedevil, the heating will come on when you are idy reading the articles of playboy | 14:06 |
| lbt | delta heat change over time | 14:06 |
| Corsac | kirma: yeah but as I understood it, 4th step should see a broader audience | 14:06 |
| lbt | gives a measure of ambient I guess | 14:06 |
| kirma | yes... but that's not this device yet, I think. | 14:07 |
| Corsac | uh? | 14:07 |
| lcuk | hahah it appears on the firehose and is blue! | 14:08 |
| * lcuk doesnt know what blue means | 14:08 | |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl | 14:08 |
| lcuk | but its there now :D | 14:08 |
| kirma | corsac: just the idea that I got was that fifth step occurs with maemo 6... well, maybe it's also N900, but most certainly other devices too | 14:09 |
| lardman | no thoughts on a timer callback? | 14:09 |
| * lcuk nods at kirma | 14:11 | |
| kirma | corsac: but I've heard *some* rumors of potential marketing ramp-up around next week or something. but it's far from a fact, and especially far from undisputed one :) | 14:12 |
| lcuk | digital harmony would be desired. old, new, big, small - bringing us closer. | 14:12 |
| lardman | ah g_timer | 14:12 |
| Corsac | kirma: what I mean is mass marketing starts at *fourth* step | 14:15 |
| Corsac | == n900 | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | A scary thing for nokia is to get a large userbase using maemo5, understanding it, nice app-store, and then every maker in china can directly compete with a 100% identical OS running the same apps that the users understand. | 14:15 |
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| kirma | corsac: ah | 14:16 |
| kirma | the non-nokia manufacturers are bound to be on trailing edge on software, and write the "critical" 20% of software themself anyway, and they have serious issues maintaining any sort of customer confidence regarding product quality (basically, their customers don't expect to have any consumer rights after the purchase) | 14:18 |
| kirma | (but that doesn't matter if the device is cheap enough) | 14:18 |
| kirma | there are pretty good reasons why nokia doesn't opensource everything | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | mer :P | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, to be ahead | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | What portions of the UI are closed-soruceR? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | not having seen final fremantle, - but usually stuff like file manager, browser ui and other things | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | icons are closed but easily replacable | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | themes, but oss theme templates | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | default font is closed source | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | current status area is closed but hmm | 14:27 |
| kirma | probably outlined in some maemo talk post, but I believe considerable portion of the fundamental applications would be closed source? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | we are still able to do stuff like http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/couldntthiswork.png in mer | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not bad | 14:28 |
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| lardman | anyone know where EINVAL is #defined? | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, is it known if the zoom buttons on top on n900 can be used in apps? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | same as it was known for n810 | 14:46 |
| lcuk | they can also be used for digital zoom in the camera app | 14:46 |
| * lcuk didnt know that until i was crossing a bridge with rogers | 14:46 | |
| kirma | lardman: errno.h probably? | 14:48 |
| lardman | hmm, /me wonders why he's getting EPERM as an error message when trying to alter the radio frequency, etc | 14:48 |
| lardman | kirma: ah yes | 14:48 |
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| braindump03 | Hey folks. | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 15:04 |
| lcuk | hey braindump03 | 15:04 |
| lcuk | what happened to 01 and 02 | 15:04 |
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| braindump03 | Died. Long long time ago. | 15:07 |
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| braindump03 | I'm thinking about replacing my iPhone 3G with the N810 and a 3G phone. Got a device for testing purposes but - what software should I install first? ;) | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | braindump03 :) theres lots to try | 15:09 |
| lcuk | a whole world of software specially crafter for all kinds of things | 15:09 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ | 15:10 |
| lcuk | see what others are downloading | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | braindump03: you've heard of N900, of course? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | says Myrtti who used a 770 for ages ;) | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | (just checking in case you haven't) | 15:10 |
| braindump03 | Myrtti: I did, but it's 500€ vs. 200€ ;) | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: and I still love it ;-) | 15:11 |
| lcuk | of course :) thats the beauty of these devices. each year people work their hardest to create the finest software they can using the hardware thats available | 15:11 |
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| braindump03 | Okay, let's start with the basics ;) Is there an UI replacement / theme which is optimized for finger input instead of the stylus? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | mer'll probably have that eventually | 15:14 |
| braindump03 | Last time, I trie'd to install Mer, there was no bootloader :/ | 15:15 |
| lcuk | braindump03, like many projects, mer is a work in progress - i hope you posted your experiences in a bug report :P | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | braindump03: did you follow wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation :P | 15:16 |
| lcuk | (or if not, now is your chance to try again and report directly to stskeeps the principle maintainer ;)) | 15:16 |
| braindump03 | I think, the best alternative would be Android, but NITdroid does not support Bluetooth which I need most :/ | 15:16 |
| braindump03 | Stskeeps: Yep, I did. But I'll try again. | 15:16 |
| lcuk | braindump03, do you want to write your own apps | 15:17 |
| lcuk | if so just write them in finger friendly manner | 15:17 |
| lcuk | the main menus on maemo are already finger driven | 15:17 |
| braindump03 | lcuk: On no, these times are over ;) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:17 |
| braindump03 | lcuk: Main menus, yep, but the DropDowns for example are horrible | 15:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 15:18 | |
| lcuk | evolution is coming | 15:18 |
| lcuk | mer looks better and better every day :) | 15:18 |
| braindump03 | Okay, I'll give it a try. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | braindump03: saw the N900 theme? http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/couldntthiswork.png | 15:18 |
| lcuk | surprisingly looks like fremantle for some bizarre reason tho :P | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | that'll be Mer soon :P | 15:19 |
| * lcuk huggles his n900+fremantle | 15:19 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: meh | 15:19 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:19 |
| * lcuk huggles his n899.5 too | 15:19 | |
| Stskeeps | as long as maemo mapper exists for n900 and is usable, i'm happy | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, | 15:20 |
| lcuk | the n900 has mapping already | 15:20 |
| lcuk | and apparantly it has routing | 15:20 |
| lcuk | i wonder if a new maemo mapper could use the capabilities of that | 15:20 |
| lcuk | but i dont know the inner workings of it all | 15:20 |
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| braindump03 | Installing Mer Installer. Let's have a try | 15:22 |
| braindump03 | Say hello to Bootloader :) | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | mmm that was odd | 15:35 |
| lcuk | i just pasted a link to http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 and it kicked me | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 15:36 |
| * lcuk waits | 15:36 | |
| braindump03 | lcuk: For what? | 15:39 |
| lcuk | i pasted that link to the people in #liqbase and the app closed | 15:39 |
| lcuk | i thought i would get kicked again when i just tried | 15:39 |
| * lcuk tries again | 15:39 | |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | mmm | 15:40 |
| braindump03 | heh | 15:40 |
| lcuk | i wonder if its only on its own | 15:40 |
| lcuk | cos i tried it | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and it didnt kick m | 15:40 |
| braindump03 | Unpacking Mer. | 15:40 |
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| braindump03 | Come on, dude. Hurry up. Phone shop is closing in a few hours and I want to decide, if I sell the iPhone and keep the Nokia | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it may take a while | 15:42 |
| braindump03 | Yep, I see ;) | 15:42 |
| braindump03 | Btw, is there any way to sync contacts and calendar in Mer with Google? | 15:43 |
| braindump03 | "Booting from immc2 failed, booting from flash" - Maemo is starting :/ | 15:45 |
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| braindump03 | Any hint, Stskeeps? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, immc2 sounds a bit awkward | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | did you follow installation guide? | 15:47 |
| braindump03 | Yep | 15:47 |
| angasule | hmm, does anyone use routing with openstreetmap? how good is it? or at least finding of intersections | 15:47 |
| braindump03 | Installed onto the internal flash | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | internal mmc but yeah | 15:48 |
| braindump03 | That's what I meant ;> | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | braindump03: anyway, go see Mer screenshots and videos - that gives a good impression. many people love their tablets even without Mer | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | i sadly have to spend time doing some administrativia and mark down for work :P | 15:48 |
| braindump03 | I want to try it, not just watching ;) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | did you Install Bootmenu menu item first, and then Install Mer? | 15:49 |
| braindump03 | I'll try to flash with flasher | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:49 |
| braindump03 | Yep | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | odd it says that message then | 15:49 |
| braindump03 | Where do I get the kernel and rootfs imag? | 15:50 |
| braindump03 | *image | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | 0.15? | 15:50 |
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| braindump03 | Yep | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.15/mer-armel-n8x0-flashrootfs-v0.15.zImage , http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.15/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.15.jffs2 | 15:51 |
| braindump03 | Thanks | 15:51 |
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| braindump03 | flashroot is the kernel? | 15:57 |
| braindump03 | Obviously ;) | 15:58 |
| Corsac | wowm n900 is now 560 on expansys, it lost 15€ since yesterday :) | 16:14 |
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| jaska | doh, thats less than here :| | 16:14 |
| Corsac | 540 in spain ;p | 16:16 |
| unixSnob | how do i use apt-get to downgrade a package? | 16:16 |
| unixSnob | i just upgraded a package, and it's a broken piece of crap | 16:16 |
| Corsac | package=version | 16:17 |
| Corsac | (+sudo apt-get install) | 16:17 |
| luke-jr | unixSnob: generally you don't | 16:17 |
| luke-jr | apt repositories don't tend to store old versions | 16:17 |
| Corsac | still 650€ on nokia store :) | 16:20 |
| Corsac | but expansys expect to have it on oct 19 | 16:20 |
| Corsac | :( | 16:20 |
| braindump03 | I guess, there's no GUI way to sync the N810 with Google, is it? :/ | 16:22 |
| luke-jr | what exactly is there to sync? | 16:23 |
| luke-jr | N810 doesn't have calendar, tasks, or much of anything | 16:23 |
| luke-jr | Notes? | 16:23 |
| braindump03 | Uhm, contacts and calendar. | 16:23 |
| luke-jr | *what* calendar? | 16:23 |
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| luke-jr | as far as contacts, just add your Google account as XMPP | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | braindump03: there's 3rd party stuff :) | 16:24 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: I'll have a try, thanks. | 16:24 |
| luke-jr | is there an actual calender buried somewhere??| | 16:25 |
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| braindump03 | Stskeeps: Where to find? | 16:26 |
| braindump03 | Ah, mCalendar :) | 16:26 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: and in n900, do we have info about pim stuff? | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, i dunno about pim just yet | 16:31 |
| lcuk | but messaging rocks | 16:31 |
| lcuk | its all seamlessly linked together and works so well | 16:31 |
| lherbach | luke-jr: Using GTalk doesn't give me the contacts :/ | 16:32 |
| lcuk | its brought me closer to friends cos text messages are now like im conversations | 16:32 |
| * Stskeeps looks forward to MSN on it too | 16:33 | |
| * luke-jr mutters about how IM apps should stick to XMPP only | 16:34 | |
| Robot101 | we packaged the extra telepathy CMs too | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | are they in extras-devel yet? | 16:36 |
| wjt | no, jonnylamb had a few bugs to fix first iirc | 16:37 |
| * wjt will nag him this week :P | 16:37 | |
| Stskeeps | because then it will be the ultimate communicator for me | 16:37 |
| Robot101 | they need some wakeup squashing work | 16:38 |
| Robot101 | maybe hooking into the device heartbeat library | 16:38 |
| Robot101 | apparently they keep the CPU/wireless active quite a lot | 16:38 |
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| zerojay | Well, the extra telepathy packages are SOMEWHERE because I was able to install them. | 16:54 |
| zerojay | From app manager. | 16:54 |
| zerojay | But they aren't seen/used at the moment. :/ | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 16:56 |
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| wjt | i think only some of them are there | 16:58 |
| wjt | some of the UI bits may be missing atm | 16:58 |
| zerojay | I was able to install butterfly, haze, idle, salut... | 17:02 |
| zerojay | None of them show up as accounts I can add however. | 17:02 |
| wjt | right, the account configuration UI isn't there | 17:03 |
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| zerojay | Needless to say, I'm excited for when that happens. :) | 17:04 |
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| zerojay | lol... can't install pidgin either. :/ | 17:04 |
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| Sho_ | Does anyone know what resolutions the TV out of the N900 supports? | 17:18 |
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| wazd | "I'm waving my finger in front of n900 and it doesn't respond. Wtf" :D | 17:20 |
| lcuk | Sho_, it best support 800*480 | 17:20 |
| lcuk | it does pal and ntsx | 17:20 |
| lcuk | ntsc tho | 17:20 |
| Sho_ | hmkay | 17:20 |
| Sho_ | thanks | 17:20 |
| lcuk | the output on this projector is using 800*480 | 17:21 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyMRTNPCVQM | 17:21 |
| lcuk | out from the side of my n900 | 17:21 |
| wazd | lcuk: do you have these links always opened up in the notepad or something? :D | 17:21 |
| lcuk | lol wazd thats not an unexpected thing | 17:21 |
| lcuk | wazd, notepad - nahhh desktop liqbase ;) | 17:22 |
| * lcuk cant wait to make that one | 17:22 | |
| lcuk | would make my workflow much better | 17:22 |
| lcuk | i might look at other x11 tiling wms :) | 17:22 |
| Sho_ | lcuk: Can't help but notice that 480 is lower than the vertical resolution of PAL, though ... how does it adapt screen content to PAL? | 17:22 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 17:23 |
| lardman|afk | zerojay: get coding, I need my MSN! ;) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | but it works | 17:23 |
| lcuk | somehow | 17:23 |
| lcuk | hi lardman|afk \o | 17:23 |
| lardman|afk | hi lcuk | 17:23 |
| lcuk | you are very afk | 17:23 |
| lcuk | did you solve your crisis with timers? | 17:23 |
| lardman|afk | am now, outside into the sun :) | 17:23 |
| Sho_ | lcuk: k, thanks for the info :) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | wicked! | 17:23 |
| lardman|afk | yeah thanks, will chat later | 17:23 |
| lcuk | k sounds good | 17:24 |
| lcuk | you got beer or wine? | 17:24 |
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| zerojay | lardman|afk: lol... me too. | 17:28 |
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| Captain_Picard | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0&feature=related | 17:39 |
| Captain_Picard | wat | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | Captain_Picard :) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | Captain_Picard, every time you bang on the desk it pulsates | 17:42 |
| lcuk | so you start drumming along to the music and its just a cool time | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | Captain_Picard, it also works large http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyMRTNPCVQM | 17:48 |
| lcuk | and im sure theres a way to do some sort of intermediate too :D | 17:48 |
| Captain_Picard | is that like a winamp visualization? | 17:49 |
| Captain_Picard | :D | 17:49 |
| lcuk | its just a little drawing | 17:49 |
| Captain_Picard | :) | 17:50 |
| lcuk | quite nice how they work well together | 17:50 |
| lcuk | collaborative fun :) | 17:50 |
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| Captain_Picard | lcuk: got any other videos | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | Captain_Picard, of what | 17:55 |
| Captain_Picard | n900 + custom software | 17:56 |
| Captain_Picard | ircing using a n900 with irssi | 17:56 |
| lcuk | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/15/video-nokia-n900-presentation-with-gary-birkett-and-liqbase/ | 17:56 |
| Captain_Picard | n900 -> openssh -> irssi :\ | 17:56 |
| lcuk | the whole presentation :) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | i think | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | mornin X-Fade | 17:59 |
| lcuk | it did it again :'( | 17:59 |
| * lcuk dislikes walls of text | 17:59 | |
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| lardman | phew, hot out there | 17:59 |
| unixSnob | When I run maemo-sdk start gui | 18:00 |
| unixSnob | am I supposed to get a maemo desktop? | 18:00 |
| unixSnob | i get "Starting up runtime for diablo4.1.2_armel... Configuring maemo-runtime for rootstrap 'diablo4.1.2_armel'... Done" | 18:01 |
| unixSnob | now what? | 18:01 |
| lardman | guis are an unnecessary waste of resources that could be put to use calculating something | 18:01 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:01 |
| lcuk | lardman, fluid dynamics! | 18:02 |
| lardman | output as a text file | 18:02 |
| unixSnob | lardman: how do you test gui apps without a gui? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | doesnt look as good | 18:02 |
| lardman | I try not to :) | 18:02 |
| lardman | but on-device | 18:02 |
| lardman | though it should be possible to start the gui using the x86 target | 18:02 |
| lardman | I just don't know how as I don't do that | 18:02 |
| lardman | sorry! | 18:03 |
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| unixSnob | i really don't want to develop on a third screen.. screw that. I have a large LCD | 18:03 |
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| lardman | what is this? Diablo, Fremantle? | 18:04 |
| Macer | hm | 18:04 |
| unixSnob | diablo | 18:04 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, 3rd screen? | 18:04 |
| lcuk | why does it take 3 screens to develop | 18:04 |
| lardman | as in he already has two big ones, doesn't want to have to use the little one for dev | 18:05 |
| unixSnob | lcuk: "3rd screen" is the name given to small portable screens, eg. pdas, phones, etc | 18:05 |
| lcuk | i have main desktop+tablet and when i run an app i know im getting 100% experience and know buttons and effects work | 18:05 |
| lcuk | so whats second | 18:05 |
| Macer | heh | 18:05 |
| lcuk | if they are touch screens and the emulator runs at normal speed i would agree | 18:05 |
| unixSnob | lcuk: i suppose it's a laptop.. idk | 18:05 |
| lcuk | but the chances of getting that perfect storm mean its disconnected from the stuff | 18:06 |
| lardman | unixSnob: af-sb-init.sh start | 18:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: you're preaching to the converted here :p | 18:06 |
| unixSnob | lardman: what's that do? | 18:07 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.2/INSTALL.txt scroll to the bottom | 18:07 |
| lcuk | plus unixSnob most of the stuff you want is on the device and not in emu - how do you - for instance use the accelerometer the camera the radio out or the sms stuff | 18:07 |
| lcuk | lol not to unixsnob im not | 18:07 |
| lcuk | hes a heathen | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | :P | 18:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk, you don't need to test | 18:08 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, just like some people don't need source code files :P | 18:08 |
| crashanddie_ | cat | gcc | 18:08 |
| lcuk | builds first time, ship it? | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie_ | perfect programming, directly | 18:08 |
| unixSnob | lcuk: i have no immediate plans to develop multimedia apps, or any i/o intenstive stuff | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie_ | unixSnob, how is accelerometer multimedia or i/o intensive? | 18:09 |
| lardman | unixSnob: don;t worry, he's only needling you | 18:09 |
| unixSnob | crashanddie_: an accelerometer is an input device | 18:09 |
| * lcuk just prefers on device stuff | 18:09 | |
| crashanddie_ | unixSnob, how is it intensive? | 18:09 |
| unixSnob | constant input, realtime | 18:09 |
| crashanddie_ | right | 18:09 |
| unixSnob | it's a continuous stream of input | 18:10 |
| crashanddie_ | not if you wrap it :P | 18:10 |
| crashanddie_ | separate thread, listening, callback methods to indicate specific actions | 18:10 |
| unixSnob | crashanddie_: indeed that's what I would do, if i needed it for something | 18:11 |
| unixSnob | crashanddie_: but i don't need an accelerometer for my apps | 18:11 |
| crashanddie_ | unixSnob, what apps are you considering? | 18:11 |
| unixSnob | crashanddie_: very simple stuff to start. My first one will be 'hello world'. Followed by a timecard app or something. And something to sync with a mutt contact db | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | unixSnob, cool | 18:12 |
| lcuk | the hardware hackers at tinker.it made a rolodex which linked with contacts viewer on the deivce - as they rotated the rolo the contacts scrolled | 18:13 |
| lcuk | simple and effective | 18:13 |
| unixSnob | maybe a card counting trainer, or video poker simulator later on | 18:13 |
| lcuk | neat | 18:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, how does one know whether g_object_set() has failed? | 18:13 |
| lardman | as it returns void... | 18:14 |
| lbt | it crashes later | 18:14 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 18:14 |
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| unixSnob | looks like my problem was not have xephyr installed | 18:15 |
| lardman | that will cause some minor problems :) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:16 |
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| lardman | output from an ioctl should be a negative errno? | 18:17 |
| zelrikriando | I think I am gonna stick with Hero roms from now on | 18:17 |
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| zelrikriando | gah | 18:18 |
| zelrikriando | wrong window | 18:18 |
| lardman | :) | 18:18 |
| zelrikriando | :D | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | lardman: should be >=0 | 18:19 |
| lardman | but on failure? | 18:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: Negative means "I screwwed" | 18:20 |
| lardman | yep, but I want to know why... :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | analyze the result | 18:20 |
| unixSnob | is xephyr the same thing as vnc viewer? | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | univac, no | 18:20 |
| BluesLee | are the displays of the n900 and the n97 the same? -> searching for a display foil | 18:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: you want http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/functions/strerror.html | 18:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: Or, for simpler version http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/functions/perror.html | 18:22 |
| lardman | but the numbers should simply be a negative errno.h value I'm assuming? | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | yes | 18:28 |
| lardman | hmm, well perror gives me all sorts out output strings, where before I only had -1 as my value | 18:28 |
| * RST38h moos at X-Fade | 18:28 | |
| RST38h | Hmm...He is dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and I'll take his purse... | 18:29 |
| RST38h | lardman: it operates by errno | 18:29 |
| RST38h | lardman: it returns -1 and sets errno to the actual error code | 18:30 |
| * frals does not miss C-coding one bit | 18:30 | |
| frals | :D | 18:30 |
| Macer | hm | 18:31 |
| Macer | so i guess defying gravity got canned? | 18:31 |
| Macer | too bad | 18:31 |
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| Macer | was an ok show | 18:31 |
| unixSnob | frals: what kind of coding did you evolve to? | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | gahhh @ wall of text | 18:36 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 18:36 |
| frals | as i'm still in uni im forced to do java atm, but on my spare time i do php and lately been looking in to python and ruby | 18:36 |
| frals | people need to learn how to linebreak :( | 18:36 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i did everything i could this time | 18:36 |
| lcuk | frals, i post in slashdot journal | 18:37 |
| lcuk | and everytiem its like this | 18:37 |
| lcuk | so this time i actually went to the trouble of writing in proper html | 18:37 |
| lcuk | and submitting as html | 18:37 |
| lcuk | and it STILL did it! | 18:37 |
| frals | :D | 18:37 |
| lcuk | i opened a bug last time about it | 18:37 |
| lcuk | and made several mailings this morning | 18:38 |
| * lcuk curses slashdot engine today | 18:38 | |
| jaska | slashwrist | 18:39 |
| lcuk | bah to top it off, its vanished from the firehose | 18:40 |
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| lardman | RST38h: ok, cool | 18:40 |
| ccooke | Hmm. Has anyone actually got a production n900 yet? | 18:41 |
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| mavhc | Macer: it was a bad bad show | 18:41 |
| lcuk | "production" | 18:41 |
| lcuk | what does that mean | 18:41 |
| mavhc | you choose to do php? | 18:41 |
| lcuk | arent they all produced | 18:41 |
| frals | final production quality/sw i guess? | 18:42 |
| lardman | as in a release version | 18:42 |
| mavhc | off a production line, not handmade/sampled/beta | 18:42 |
| ccooke | lcuk: final hardware, don't care about software. I'm wondering how feasible it would be to add a magnetometer to it. | 18:42 |
| ccooke | Which basically means "is there enough space" | 18:42 |
| lcuk | when does one hardware variation become final tho | 18:42 |
| lcuk | and would those users know its final | 18:43 |
| frals | when mass production has begun, imho | 18:43 |
| lcuk | i would love for there to be a magnetometer in here | 18:43 |
| ccooke | lcuk: well, if they don't know it's final then they can't say "I have a final one". Which means I'd have to wait all of a few weeks. ] | 18:43 |
| lcuk | yeah but when would a tester know if its final or not | 18:43 |
| lardman | RST38h: and if the value is == 0, is that good or bad? | 18:43 |
| lardman | should be good | 18:43 |
| lcuk | ccooke, the ones shown in all the media and videos - is there a difference between them? | 18:44 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 18:44 |
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| ccooke | Basically, I'm wondering if it's reasonable to know now that it *might* be doable (in which case I'll order a magenetomer or five next month, because they're not that expensive) or if it's unknown (in which case, I'll wait until I can play with my n900 when it arrives) | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | ccooke, put something on -developers making note of the real benefits of it | 18:45 |
| lardman | so I get this http://maemo.pastebin.com/m794c413 | 18:45 |
| lcuk | and why/what it might take and how it could be used etc | 18:45 |
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| ccooke | lcuk: the benefits wouldn't really be much unless quite a few people had one, to be honest | 18:46 |
| lcuk | explain - i love hardware and would really benefit from knowing direction | 18:46 |
| lardman | ccooke: do you have an url for these compasses? | 18:46 |
| lcuk | it would help with lots of gps free in the dark missions | 18:46 |
| lardman | RST38h: "No such file or directory" is an odd error message, as the device file is already open | 18:47 |
| ccooke | wThe way I see it, it all depends on how easy adding one is. If it's easy enough, it'd be simple to post instructions and, possibly, provide an upgrade service for people. | 18:48 |
| ccooke | if it's difficult, that's not really going to be plausible, even if it *can* be done. | 18:48 |
| ccooke | if one or two people have it, then it's highly unlikely there'll be any software that uses it - and even then, it's unlikely anyone would care | 18:49 |
| * lardman decides to output raw errno | 18:49 | |
| ccooke | lardman: the components aren't exactly difficult to find. Here's one set: http://media.fukung.net/images/12813/a427bb78de298457c4de7a4fd1621ed4.jpg | 18:49 |
| ccooke | lardman: note that some are less than 10mm square | 18:50 |
| lardman | ah, I thought this was a Bluetooth module or something like that | 18:50 |
| ccooke | hmm, that would certainly be easier | 18:52 |
| ccooke | but it wouldn't help | 18:52 |
| ccooke | because it won't turn with the device :-) | 18:52 |
| lardman | I know | 18:54 |
| lardman | but might be good to test with before modification | 18:54 |
| * luke-jr ponders a homemade i.MX515 wearable with his Zaurus SL-C760 as a thin client XD | 18:54 | |
| ccooke | heh | 18:55 |
| ccooke | I wonder if any of my Zaurii still work | 18:55 |
| ccooke | the last SL-C3200 probably does | 18:55 |
| lardman | hmm, perror doesn't give the right string | 18:56 |
| lardman | so I have return values of -22 most of the time, which is -EINVAL | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | ccooke: going to get the new one? | 18:56 |
| lardman | which at least agrees with the kernel code :) | 18:56 |
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| ccooke | luke-jr: the new Sharp device running Ubuntu? | 19:01 |
| luke-jr | ccooke: yes | 19:01 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: tempted, but I'm not planning on it. | 19:02 |
| luke-jr | I was, until the reviews came back | 19:02 |
| luke-jr | and it turned out to be huge | 19:02 |
| luke-jr | is the SQ5 that big too BTW? | 19:02 |
| ccooke | depends. | 19:02 |
| ccooke | probably, for me | 19:02 |
| luke-jr | ... | 19:03 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't depend | 19:03 |
| luke-jr | it either is or isn't :/ | 19:03 |
| ccooke | see, the Zaurus was always sturdy enough that I had no problems sticking it in my pocket. the n810 I'd want a hard case for, and those never seemed quite sturdy enough. | 19:03 |
| ccooke | but the n810 was light enough to go in a shirt pocket | 19:04 |
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| lardman|afk | drinking, then tapas that is, lest you Spanish types think I'm eating too early ;) | 19:04 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: for some people, the sq5 will be too big. for others, too small. For some, just right. For me, it's too small for a shirt pocket and too flimsy-looking for a trouser pocket, so I'd skip it. | 19:04 |
| ccooke | (and my bag usually contains a 17" laptop, so there's no real point in me having anything else I can't carry on my person) | 19:06 |
| luke-jr | ccooke: Is SQ5 as big as the PC-Z1? | 19:06 |
| luke-jr | apparently not | 19:07 |
| luke-jr | yet they both claim 5" | 19:07 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 19:07 |
| luke-jr | ccooke: I don't carry a bag, so I want the biggest that will reasonably fit in my pocket | 19:08 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: 5" is the size of the screen | 19:08 |
| ccooke | look at pictures of the sq5 and the pc-z1 - note the sharp's screen is embedded in a large bezel | 19:08 |
| luke-jr | i c | 19:08 |
| * ShadowJK stuck N800,N810 in one jeans pocket, E75 and two external batteries in other pocket | 19:09 | |
| ccooke | (larger than the sq5's) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: and was instantly popular amongst the ladies? | 19:09 |
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| ShadowJK | oh e70 was there too somewhere | 19:09 |
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| ccooke | ShadowJK: I travel on the Londn Underground at least twice a day. The n810 would have a broken screen after a couple of days of that | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | stskeeps: well I suspect I wont be having babies now | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: N810 is really really difficult to kill. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | i have done really bad things to do | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | sitting on it != good though | 19:10 |
| * ShadowJK did the ghetto version of wardriving/walking... driving around to find 3G+hsdpa signal are with minimal congestion :P | 19:10 | |
| jaska | hah | 19:10 |
| ccooke | I've dropped mine a few times, sure | 19:11 |
| ccooke | although it's not a patch on the Zaurus for solidity - those things are *bricks*. Lovely build. | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | N810 likes to fall out of my shirt pocket | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | no damage done that I can see | 19:11 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: that would be irritating. | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | it is, but not because it breaks | 19:11 |
| ccooke | yeah | 19:11 |
| ccooke | I'm very pleased with the n810's build quality. It's survived being dropped 6' onto concrete a few times. | 19:12 |
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| * ShadowJK has fallen asleep on his n800 a few times | 19:13 | |
| ccooke | ShadowJK: ditto :-) | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | (and shoved it onto the floor in my sleep) | 19:13 |
| ccooke | alghough my n810 has a very small blemish on the screen (only visible if you cause the screen to flex or catch it in the light) from sleeping on it, once | 19:14 |
| jeffrey_ken | anybody can send me a copy of knots_win(knot 2 server) | 19:14 |
| ccooke | This is one reason I don't trust it in my pockets :-) | 19:14 |
| jeffrey_ken | i can't download it | 19:14 |
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| jeffrey_ken | email quando@live.com | 19:17 |
| jeffrey_ken | 3q~~~ | 19:17 |
| Firebird | Hm, has anyone perfect fake multitouch scaling? or am I reinventing the wheel here | 19:22 |
| Firebird | *perfected | 19:22 |
| aol | how would that work? | 19:22 |
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| ccooke | Firebird: I'd be loath to call it impossible... but it *is* unlikely | 19:23 |
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| Firebird | well, when you touch the screen a second time it quickly moves the cursor to a new location between the two touches, if the hypotenuse of that relative movement is greater than threshold value X, calculate scale by the hypotenuse of current mouse position to mouse click position divided by the hypotenuse value of the position where the relative movement .....this is hard to explain | 19:25 |
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| Firebird | I just wrote a quick demo for it | 19:27 |
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| mavhc | my n810 fell onto concrete, in its case, out of my pocket, hit on the open side, now it doesn't slide open if pushed from that side, and there's a dent, otherwise fine | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | To express it another way Firebird. | 19:32 |
| Firebird | SpeedEvil, ? | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | The reported touch area is an approximate centroid of the bounding box of | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | afk | 19:33 |
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| Firebird | Well, it works pretty darn well... until you try to let go | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | You have to then assume that it's a release, not a touch in a different spot? | 19:35 |
| * Firebird is confused by SpeedEvil and goes back to coding | 19:36 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I've been chopping down trees today. Not thinking clearly. | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It's probably patented. | 19:40 |
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| airtonarantes | does anyone here is using pyqt on N810? | 19:53 |
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| airtonarantes | I wondering about pyqt's installing. I'm searching on apt using ssh to my device and I don't find the package. | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | whats a better blog hosting place then | 20:27 |
| lcuk | than slashdot | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | myspace. | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | best is to host your own | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | next best wordpress.com / livejournal.com / blogger.com | 20:28 |
| lcuk | ofc but i know sweet fa about websites | 20:28 |
| lcuk | i can barely spell html | 20:28 |
| lcuk | let alone code in it | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: who the hell codes them anymore, not me | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | What's wrong with slashdots offering for a basic site? | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | wordpress for me baby | 20:28 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i posted on my journal this morning | 20:30 |
| lcuk | in html mode | 20:30 |
| lcuk | perfect - just like i do | 20:30 |
| * lcuk has been loooooooooong term slash users | 20:30 | |
| lcuk | when it got syndicated by garage | 20:30 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 20:30 |
| lcuk | a wall of text appeared | 20:30 |
| lcuk | this is the journal | 20:31 |
| lcuk | http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/237409 | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | the fuck | 20:31 |
| lcuk | it did it again | 20:31 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 20:32 | |
| lcuk | and finally if i dont get kicked | 20:33 |
| lcuk | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2796875&group_id=4421&atid=104421 | 20:33 |
| lcuk | the bug report | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by parrot)). | 20:34 |
| lcuk | it crashes xchat when i paste that link | 20:35 |
| lcuk | on its own on a line | 20:35 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=329804&postcount=228 and parrots :D | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | oh im not that old! | 20:39 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: ugh, I can see why you want to change | 20:49 |
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| Myrtti | just noticed your entry in my greader through planet maemo | 20:49 |
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| Myrtti | can't be arsed to read that from greader | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i dont want to change | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i just want it fixing | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 20:50 |
| braindump03 | Any other cool OS, I should try on the N810 except Mer? ;) | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo | 20:53 |
| braindump03 | Yeah, did it on a 450MHz P2 in the 90s. Took about 48h with X. | 20:54 |
| dneary | Hi | 20:54 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Ping? | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: N810 isn't that slow | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/ | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: you have one? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 20:55 |
| VDVsx | dneary, pong | 20:55 |
| dneary | I'm in the process of trying to synthesis the consensus around the proposals | 20:55 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: 400MHz OMAP? It is! | 20:55 |
| dneary | Will be saving a new version of the submissions page with substantial changes in a minute | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: OMAP is ARM, not x86 | 20:56 |
| braindump03 | I know. | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | x86 is significantly slower than most architectures | 20:56 |
| braindump03 | Yeah. But ARM is crap, too. Imho. | 20:57 |
| braindump03 | Missing Sparc :< | 20:57 |
| Meizirkki | LOL | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: are you Macer? | 20:57 |
| dneary | VDVsx: There's some proposals you made in your revised schedule that I don't think we need to make | 20:57 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: Yep, but don't like PPC either ;) | 20:57 |
| dneary | I think we can lengthen the day, add breaks and fit in all of the must-see proposals | 20:57 |
| dneary | Without starting earlier on Sunday | 20:57 |
| braindump03 | But at first, I need a new OS for the N810. ;) | 20:58 |
| braindump03 | Android would be so nice :/ | 20:58 |
| bef0rd | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=329804&postcount=228 | 20:58 |
| braindump03 | Or Blackberry OS. iPhone OS. Windows 7 ;> | 20:58 |
| bef0rd | sorry was checking if xchat crashed heh... | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: Gentoo | 20:58 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: Well, okay. Which WM? | 20:59 |
| VDVsx | dneary, probably, I tried to avoid moving already accepted proposals, but there's a couple of slots left in the BoF room | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: I mostly just use console mode | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4.3 maxes out RAM | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | theres hope for n810wimax users yet! | 21:00 |
| lcuk | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/09/19/0023216/WiMax-In-2010-mdash-Too-Little-Too-Late?art_pos=8 | 21:00 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: Well. I think, I've other use cases for the N810 ;) I need it for mailing, pim and browsing on the go. | 21:01 |
| mavhc | they can't make Sparc mobiles since they banned the use of asbestos | 21:01 |
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| luke-jr | braindump03: that is a hopeless goal | 21:01 |
| braindump03 | Why? | 21:02 |
| dneary | VDVsx: We also have the co-creation garage slots | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: because the N810 lacks the RAM for KDE reasonably well | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Of the netwalker 'Microsoft ® Excel, Word, Powerpoint ® compatible with high ※ "OpenOffice.org" chip. 表やグラフ入りの書類などを身軽に持ち歩けます。持Chi歩Kemasu the lightness and tables and graphs into documents' | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow - an openoffice chip! :) | 21:04 |
| VDVsx | dneary, they want to move everything (the 3 slots) to that requested space ? | 21:05 |
| dneary | No, the Sunday double session | 21:05 |
| VDVsx | ah ok :) | 21:05 |
| braindump03 | luke-jr: Yep. But what other OS? :/ Maemo is missing some features, i need | 21:05 |
| dneary | OK - my summary of the state of play in the proposals page: | 21:05 |
| dneary | 5 presentations: awaiting feedback (either two people disagree, or we're waiting for Jamie or yourself) | 21:06 |
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| dneary | 8 presentations: Probably accepted (2 strong yesses, or 3 yesses already) | 21:06 |
| dneary | 2 proposed lightning talks | 21:06 |
| dneary | 5 accepted lightning talks | 21:07 |
| dneary | 1 accepted BOF | 21:07 |
| dneary | 6 wait and see | 21:07 |
| dneary | 4 probably rejected | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: Gentoo+KDE is the closest | 21:07 |
| dneary | In the probably accepted, 2 presentations will be merges | 21:07 |
| braindump03 | I think, Gentoo + IceWM is closer. But It's not very finger friendly, is it? | 21:07 |
| VDVsx | dneary, humm, waiting for me, I thought I voted in everything in the other day, gonna check | 21:08 |
| VDVsx | dneary, ah ok, there's one, can I vote now or you are editing ? | 21:09 |
| dneary | With the state of the schedule, we have 8 presentation slots open, enough lightning talk slots if everyone accepts, | 21:10 |
| dneary | Let me save first | 21:10 |
| dneary | Saved - refresh | 21:10 |
| dneary | 2 presentations missing your comments: high res imaging and test framework tool | 21:11 |
| keesj | dneary: Are we fine on content? do we need more content? | 21:11 |
| dneary | keesj: We need less ;) | 21:11 |
| dneary | I think we were too generous with early proposals | 21:11 |
| dneary | But there was some pressure from people: "why is the schedule empty? The nokia day is full already") | 21:12 |
| dneary | So we ended up not keeping enough slots for the last minute rush of high quality proposals from BNokia people when they got their travel funding approved | 21:12 |
| dneary | It would have been better if they propose first, and let us know after if they couldn't come | 21:12 |
| dneary | Anyhoo... | 21:13 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I also have doubts about the high res proposal :( | 21:13 |
| VDVsx | let me see | 21:13 |
| dneary | I tend to agree with Quim's analysis of a few of the talks we can move | 21:14 |
| dneary | To BOF slots | 21:14 |
| dneary | and I agree that we can reduce Daniel's slot to 25 mins | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | dneary, wheres the proposals list | 21:16 |
| dneary | lcuk: Maemo Summit 2009/Submissions | 21:16 |
| dneary | lcuk: Talk: plus that for deliberations | 21:16 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I disagree with the first two (Quim analysis), because they target a users audience and we don't have others to replace them | 21:16 |
| lcuk | cool ta | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | mmm dneary liqbase or stars arent there any more | 21:19 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, already accepted ;) | 21:20 |
| VDVsx | ^this is the submission queue | 21:20 |
| lcuk | ahhh sneaky | 21:20 |
| VDVsx | dneary, ok then, we can start adding some of the accepted into the grid :) | 21:23 |
| keesj | dneary: ok | 21:24 |
| dneary | lcuk: Because they're no longer under consideration | 21:24 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Looking at Quim's suggestions: widget design - what's your take? | 21:25 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I would say yes, despite my previous considerations about this talk, at least seems much more suitable than the other one proposed by the same guy | 21:27 |
| lcuk | can i reasonably ask - why on day 1 do the ui design stuff and the ui panel collide. isnt it sensible to expect a person wanting to go to one would want to see both | 21:28 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ask Nokia, not us :P | 21:28 |
| * lcuk will lol | 21:28 | |
| lcuk | its like xfactor and strictly | 21:29 |
| lcuk | the missus switches over every few minutes | 21:29 |
| lcuk | but cant really run between rooms | 21:29 |
| lcuk | o_O setup proxy with cams | 21:29 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, rants about the other days direct them to us ;) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | and live streams | 21:29 |
| lcuk | lol i will have to scroll down first - it just stood out like a sore thumb | 21:29 |
| lcuk | that looks stupidly wrong. the panel could occur after the other ui bits and build on each other and give users a chance to discuss it. -developers or -community for this? | 21:32 |
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| braindump03 | luke-jr: Found your how-to. But, is there any way to build a gentoo image and flash it into the n810 so i can use the internal mmc as /home? | 21:33 |
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| luke-jr | braindump03: you could easily do that just by mounting it as /home | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: you mean slonopotamus's how-to? | 21:35 |
| braindump03 | Yeah, but how to install Gentoo onto the flash instead of the internal mmc? | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: uh, I've done neither | 21:35 |
| braindump03 | Yup, this one | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | you didn't say flash root :p | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | braindump03, flash? 128mb? | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | I doubt it's big enough | 21:35 |
| braindump03 | Because I do not have MiniSD at the moment ;) | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: my / is 4.8 GB right now | 21:36 |
| braindump03 | Yeah, internal mmc has 2Gig?! | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... 2.6gb here only. | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | braindump03: there's a reason we only support external SD :p | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 21:37 |
| braindump03 | Thats crap. | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | you *might* squeeze it on the internal MMC if you trim /usr/share/doc or such | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | take out kernel sources after installing wifi modules | 21:37 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, if you really want, you can strip lots of not-so-necessary stuff | 21:37 |
| braindump03 | Hum, i could try to mount /usr/portage from nfs | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | perhaps | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | braindump03, yep, that too. | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I have buildpkg ;) | 21:38 |
| dneary | VDVsx: What do you make of that? | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | braindump03, stage3 + portage tree will fit in 2gb, but leaving not much place to maneuver | 21:39 |
| braindump03 | I'll have a fag over that ;) | 21:39 |
| slonopotamus | braindump03, nobody had a goal to reduce its size, so... | 21:39 |
| VDVsx | dneary, sorry I'm lost :) | 21:39 |
| dneary | In that page? | 21:40 |
| dneary | Or in general? | 21:40 |
| VDVsx | dneary, nah, lol, I only didn't catch the context of your last question:) | 21:42 |
| dneary | dneary: The Submissions Talk page - agree with most of it? Think we can make sense of it? | 21:42 |
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| dneary | I'm more worried about fitting in breaks and 10 minutes between sessions, when we haven't taken that into consideration all along. | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | dneary, take 1 or 2 or even 5 mins off every presentation | 21:44 |
| lcuk | :D people talk for a bit shorter time | 21:44 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I agree in general :) | 21:44 |
| braindump03 | Mhm | 21:45 |
| * lcuk will donate 14 out of his 15minutes if it means a lie in | 21:45 | |
| dneary | lcuk: 5 minutes off a presentation brings them back to 20 minutes | 21:45 |
| dneary | Not much... | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | understood | 21:45 |
| dneary | And scheduling a presentation for 24 minutes is a recipe for ridicule ;) | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | :D | 21:46 |
| VDVsx | dneary, we already have 5 min between sessions, I think is enough | 21:46 |
| lcuk | we could have jack bauer posters and use the timer clock | 21:46 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Anna-Marja suggested it's not enough | 21:46 |
| dneary | Did you get that mail? | 21:46 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yeah | 21:46 |
| VDVsx | but the venue is that big ? :P | 21:46 |
| m3kyd | what's the exact date the N900 will be released? | 21:47 |
| dneary | I think that the big hall is in a different building | 21:47 |
| * wazd wonders if 20 minutes would be enough to describe revolutionary liqtorch app :D | 21:47 | |
| dneary | I haven't visited it, though | 21:47 |
| dneary | m3kyd: Sept 29th, I heard | 21:47 |
| dneary | But I have no real idea | 21:47 |
| lcuk | hell no! | 21:47 |
| dneary | Anyway, I'm ff for the night, and won't be around tomorrow. | 21:48 |
| VDVsx | 10 min walking from a room to another it's a big distance (at least for me) | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | gnite dneary | 21:48 |
| dneary | VDVsx: I think the assumption is that getting everyone out of a hall after a presentation takes more than 5 minutes already | 21:48 |
| dneary | VDVsx: And that is true | 21:48 |
| dneary | lcuk: And so Tibet. | 21:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: btw, I'm working on Mer theme now, it's gonna rock the world :P | 21:49 |
| lcuk | "n900s available for the first 10 people out the door" | 21:49 |
| dneary | G'nite | 21:49 |
| VDVsx | dneary, cya | 21:49 |
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| wazd | dneary: nini | 21:49 |
| lcuk | wazd, how can a theme rock the world? | 21:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, if Hello Kitti could, then every crap in the world can rock I think :D | 21:51 |
| lcuk | "is gonna look amazing" "people will pat me on my back for admirable layout skills" but rock the world :P | 21:51 |
| wazd | lcuk: I think I should listen more to the Steve Jobs' keynotes to describe actions properly :D | 21:52 |
| wazd | It's gonna be simply amazingly gorgeous :D | 21:52 |
| lcuk | +1 | 21:52 |
| lcuk | don't forget BOOM! | 21:52 |
| braindump03 | No fdisk in the repos :/ | 21:53 |
| * lcuk gets on with liqconfig and finishes it tonight | 21:53 | |
| lcuk | braindump03, i wasnt aware the tablets came with a floppydrive? | 21:54 |
| wazd | Fremantle template is weird in some places though | 21:54 |
| braindump03 | lcuk: Hu? I want to partition mmc1 | 21:54 |
| lcuk | no doubt | 21:54 |
| lcuk | braindump03, ahh | 21:54 |
| lcuk | i tohught it was just the dos thing :$ | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | mmmmm fresh pillow | 21:55 |
| braindump03 | Well. No. ;) | 21:55 |
| braindump03 | Ah, there is sfdisk | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, head pillow, huggle pillow with dsample picture (shudder), foot pillow? | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: three head pillows | 21:58 |
| lcuk | wont that break your neck | 22:01 |
| * lcuk has to have just right amount and height | 22:01 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I use them for different purposes | 22:01 |
| lcuk | o_O are you a professional pillow fighter? | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: no, I just need some for keeping my sleeping pose so my sciatica wouldn't get worse when I sleep | 22:03 |
| * lcuk tucks duvet under top leg when lay on side | 22:04 | |
| lcuk | i dont like my knees knocking :$ | 22:04 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, do you keep your 770 charged still | 22:06 |
| lcuk | or has it become dormant | 22:06 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: I forgot it on the windowsill in April | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: ... in UK | 22:08 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so i should go looking round all the windowsills in the country for it | 22:09 |
| lcuk | shame we cant query google streetview | 22:09 |
| lcuk | find me this: [ ... ] | 22:09 |
| wazd | that's how qwerty12 got his 770 I think :D | 22:09 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | it'll prolly end up being home automation remote for @dsample | 22:10 |
| lcuk | +1 | 22:10 |
| lcuk | never grow old as long as you can still poke at it | 22:10 |
| lcuk | tho, theres no point in me porting liqtorch to it - its got one built in | 22:10 |
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| Myrtti | meh - I hate the aftertaste of my antibiotics | 22:11 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | anyone know how i use sed | 22:13 |
| Myrtti | I don't know how you use it | 22:14 |
| Myrtti | I know how I use it ;-) | 22:14 |
| rkirti | lcuk: change all return statements in functions to assert(FAILURE)'s ? :P | 22:14 |
| lcuk | lol rkirti | 22:15 |
| Myrtti | in fact, I know how you people use sed I've used | 22:15 |
| lcuk | no i want to make sure the packaging for all my liq* stuff uses latest lib and i cant find the method javispedro did | 22:15 |
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| * lcuk has to make a script which will run through the packaging for ALL apps (ramping up muchly now i know how..) | 22:16 | |
| rkirti | lcuk: please dont tell me you use sed in autofoo macros to detect version numbers like some nokia devs did ~_~ | 22:16 |
| lcuk | and submit them to builder with delays | 22:16 |
| lcuk | rkirti, no | 22:16 |
| lcuk | never used sed ever | 22:16 |
| * rkirti recalls the horrid time she had writing recipes for those packages | 22:16 | |
| lcuk | but i wanted to make sure the control file has expected version of the lib | 22:17 |
| lcuk | end users who make mods themselves can carry on using whatever methods they want | 22:17 |
| lcuk | but for all my stuff, when i build a library i have to make sure the dep projects pick it up | 22:17 |
| lcuk | after i build and send | 22:17 |
| lcuk | i *thougth* it worked by just mentioning the lib name and apt would be good enough to grab the latest one | 22:18 |
| lcuk | but it didnt | 22:18 |
| lcuk | and i got stung | 22:18 |
| lcuk | and javis showed me how | 22:18 |
| lcuk | but i cant make it work | 22:18 |
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| keesj | any native english speaker who might want to review some maemo related text for me? | 22:27 |
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| * wazd finished 1st theme block. 1924 more to go X( | 22:28 | |
| frals | sounds like fun... im doing a relation-db in xml, wanna switch? | 22:30 |
| keesj | frals sounds like fun, is it a java job? | 22:31 |
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| frals | nah its a course in advanced datamodelling with xml | 22:32 |
| frals | so basically im just doing xml and then presenting it with xslt | 22:32 |
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| keesj | it's xslt that give the real pain | 22:35 |
| pupnik | does it chew up lots of memory? | 22:35 |
| pupnik | jason hunter came up with a flat-memory consuming xslt parser around 2000 | 22:36 |
| pupnik | iirc | 22:36 |
| frals | as the db is tiny i cant really tell :) | 22:38 |
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| keesj | xsltproc is pretty good | 22:40 |
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| keesj | pupnik: did you think about my proposal and do you speak good english? | 22:40 |
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| braindump03 | Hm. I'm not lucky with all that stuff :/ | 22:43 |
| pupnik | keesj it seemed fine and it is something ive always wanted to see :) | 22:48 |
| braindump03 | Is it possible to use Debian / Ubuntu repositories with Maemo? | 22:51 |
| braindump03 | I'm just missing some GTK tools. | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | hey qwerty12_N810 \o | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hi, lcuk :) | 22:55 |
| lcuk | enjoying yourself down in london? | 22:55 |
| derf | Hmm, what's the easiest way to tell what OS version I'm running on my actual device? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | os version or hardware | 22:55 |
| derf | uname -a says 42-19, but that seems whay too old to be true. | 22:55 |
| derf | *way | 22:55 |
| derf | lcuk: OS version. | 22:56 |
| derf | 42-19 was OS 2007. | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | derf: Control Panel -> About product | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: No, I've been doing homework :\ | 22:56 |
| lcuk | aww lol | 22:56 |
| lcuk | derf, boo | 22:56 |
| derf | Hmm, it really does say 1.2007.42-19. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | hang on | 22:56 |
| lcuk | thats only a week number | 22:57 |
| lcuk | that wont help you | 22:57 |
| lcuk | yeah thats better | 22:57 |
| derf | But, "maemo Linux based OS 208" | 22:57 |
| derf | *2008 | 22:57 |
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| derf | In the same dialog. | 22:58 |
| derf | So one of those is a lie, and I think it's the first one. | 22:58 |
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| braindump03 | BTW, there's no Ubuntu Mobile Build for the N810, is it? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | derf: FWIW, 1.2007.42-19 is OS2008, but it just happens to be Chinook | 23:01 |
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| smackpotato1 | so i saw this add for a n810 dummy cell phone on e-bay | 23:02 |
| derf | qwerty12_N810: Hmm, actually that may be right. | 23:03 |
| derf | The one before Chinook was...? | 23:03 |
| smackpotato1 | i said to my self "self this guy doesn't know what he has and it only costs 5 bucks to find out | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | derf: OS2007, with a version number of 4.2007.38-2 | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The last version of OS2007, anyway | 23:04 |
| derf | Oh, I remember. bora. | 23:04 |
| derf | I meant the codename. | 23:04 |
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| smackpotato1 | when it arrived it was a lump of injection molded plastic for display purposes only. anyone got any sugestions for this | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | lmao. | 23:05 |
| javispedro | that's it. | 23:05 |
| javispedro | _all_ of active topics in tmo are about the n900. | 23:06 |
| javispedro | (save for gpodder. thank god) | 23:06 |
| javispedro | er... hi. | 23:06 |
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| braindump03 | And: Is there any Debian ready-to-use build for the N810 without all these OOo ans Firefox Crap? | 23:08 |
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| derf | Now, the real question, is it still possible to get maemo-sdk-vm 0.4? | 23:16 |
| javispedro | braindump03: if you consider firefox crap, you shouldn't have any problem debootstrapping debian by yourself | 23:17 |
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| derf | The torrent appears unseeded, and the direct download links are borken. | 23:17 |
| * Firebird continues waiting for a stable maemo5 sdk | 23:18 | |
| braindump03 | javispedro: Yep. But I have no idea about the drivers and so on for Debian so I'll better use Gentoo ;) | 23:18 |
| javispedro | ah, you don't mean a chroot. | 23:18 |
| * Stskeeps twitches | 23:18 | |
| johnx | mornin' everyone | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to the night shift ;) | 23:19 |
| javispedro | hi | 23:19 |
| javispedro | the night shift has begun already? | 23:19 |
| javispedro | damn | 23:19 |
| * javispedro syncs clocks | 23:19 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx goes to sleep when i wake up and comes on when i'm about to sleep :P | 23:19 |
| johnx | but the difference is that Stskeeps keeps me from going to sleep | 23:19 |
| johnx | and he goes to sleep whether I'm on or not :P | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yerga: Any plans on making gFTP Fremantle-friendly? ;P | 23:20 |
| johnx | braindump03, uhm, what are you trying to accomplish with gentoo? | 23:20 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N810, so, fremantle doesn't have the gnome-vfs layer, does it? | 23:21 |
| johnx | hmm, it'd be nice to see a real fuse frontend | 23:21 |
| keesj | night.... sleep... goood! | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | braindump03: me and johnx wasted most of a summer + more on debian port and came to the conclusion desktop environments on mobile devices don't mix due to power conservation issues and usability | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | resulting in Mer | 23:21 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I started in january of that year | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | true | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | beer in amsterdam btw? :P to celebrate our insanity | 23:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, for sure :) | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm travelling way too much for my own good atm | 23:23 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, starting to burn out from it? | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i prefer my own bed really | 23:24 |
| johnx | I know the feeling | 23:24 |
| johnx | also, being able to actually unpack your suitcase all the way once in a while is nice | 23:24 |
| johnx | but at the same time, I'm somewhat jealous. I think I caught a case of the wanderlust at some point | 23:25 |
| braindump03 | Stskeeps: Yep, I do not want a KDE or so - I want lxlauncher and some GTK apps, Maemo does not provide | 23:25 |
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| Stskeeps | braindump03: there's a guide for LXDE on Mer somewhere.. | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | or fluxbox, can't remember which | 23:25 |
| johnx | braindump03, IIRC, the gentoo guys started a little after I did, and I'm not sure they ever really got something bootable | 23:25 |
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| johnx | suihkulokki, up for a quick hypothetical question? | 23:34 |
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| suihkulokki | johnx: mmh? | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://improveverywhere.com/2008/01/16/no-pants-2k8/ | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry mispaste. | 23:50 |
| johnx | hypothetically, if someone dynamically linked a closed source library against libc, is this likely to cause problems eventually when libc is upgraded and their proprietary library isn't? | 23:50 |
| johnx | (given that both libraries are for ARM EABI linux, though one might be thumb and the other vfp) | 23:51 |
| suihkulokki | johnx: nope, as long as the ABI is same | 23:52 |
| johnx | fantastic :) | 23:52 |
| javispedro | johnx: vmware has been dynamically linking with the system libc for years | 23:52 |
| javispedro | (including all the closed source libraries they ship with) | 23:53 |
| johnx | javispedro, but they usually make a new release every year or so | 23:53 |
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| johnx | I'm kind of assuming this closed source lib will be released once, and never updated (in a worst case scenario) | 23:53 |
| javispedro | johnx: grab vmware 4, i'm sure it'll still work. | 23:53 |
| javispedro | (if you can build the kernel module, that is :D) | 23:54 |
| johnx | ugh. don't remind me about vmware kernel modules. I get enough of that at work to make me want to switch us to xen without telling anyone | 23:54 |
| javispedro | :) | 23:55 |
| suihkulokki | glibc uses versioned symbols, so even if the decide to change the meaning of some symbols, they still provide the old version of symbol for binaries linking against older libc's | 23:55 |
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| johnx | suihkulokki, very cool. in my limited programming knowledge, I think that was the thing that was confusing me | 23:55 |
| johnx | cause I know I can't necessarily takes things linked against a newer libc to an older one | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | thats usually cos of function creep | 23:58 |
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