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| javispedro | " | 00:07 |
| javispedro | With the N900 the most probable is that ol' Maemo users will jump quite fast to extras-testing (just like most long term Debian users end up pretty fast in Unstable) and the newcomers will be mostly happy with the good selection available in Extras." | 00:07 |
| javispedro | fyi :) | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | was extras going to be enabled by default or was it yet another have to enable, btw? | 00:10 |
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| javispedro | bah, I now typed maemo.packages.org . | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:17 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: my assumption is that it'll will be enabled, since http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/ shows some of the apps (supposedly soon) there. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | but, come to think of it, tableeter did too.... :P | 00:17 |
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| pupnik | evening javispedro | 00:24 |
| pupnik | did you see the iphone version on zodttd's site? | 00:24 |
| javispedro | hi pupnik | 00:24 |
| javispedro | ah, snes4iphone? | 00:24 |
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| pupnik | maybe you can share - yes they are working on ASM-izing stuff | 00:24 |
| javispedro | ah yes, i read taht | 00:24 |
| javispedro | actually, he was using the C core before | 00:24 |
| pupnik | anything they report look interesting or usable :) | 00:25 |
| pupnik | ? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | not the same one as the one I'm currently using, he probably got it from osnes9x | 00:25 |
| javispedro | not really. actually, reading his post I said wtf twice. | 00:25 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 00:26 |
| javispedro | I would like to see the "massive performance increases". | 00:26 |
| javispedro | since if he's getting them, either the way I'm using the assembly sucks, or I used a really good C core. | 00:26 |
| javispedro | cause as you said we're using the same assembly cpu core now (osnes9x) | 00:26 |
| pupnik | yeah | 00:27 |
| javispedro | (including "Super Mario RPG is no longer compatible" hiihii) :P | 00:27 |
| pupnik | heh yep | 00:27 |
| javispedro | I believe that the massive performance gains come from disabling transparency by default, which it seems he did | 00:27 |
| pupnik | Tried playing a platformer again. Boy do you notice getting old playing those. | 00:27 |
| johnsq | javispedro: good C core should have the same speed as assembler, you can use some GNU features. | 00:28 |
| pupnik | Ahh, a bit of cheap self promotion perhaps | 00:28 |
| Mousey | i do rock! | 00:30 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I wouldn't really like to say that, but the post reads a bit like so. For example, he talks about iPhone clobbering R9 making it difficult, which would make sense _only_ if the original platform were the asm code was developed did not clobber r9. guess what? it does. palmos stored the pointer to the first dynamic library there | 00:31 |
| pupnik | hmm R9 is what? | 00:31 |
| javispedro | arm's r9 I mean | 00:31 |
| crashanddie__ | after r8 | 00:31 |
| johnsq | pupnik: processor register | 00:32 |
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| * javispedro actually removed the part where it push'd/pop'd r9 :P | 00:37 | |
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| bobbyd | wow | 01:05 |
| bobbyd | I'm seriously excited about the n900 now | 01:05 |
| bobbyd | this s a great vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopxqkIycGg | 01:06 |
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| millenomi | heh | 01:06 |
| * millenomi has been plotting to get on board for quite some time. | 01:06 | |
| bobbyd | I wasn't that interested in the iPhone, but this looks like an excellent device | 01:07 |
| bobbyd | looks like it could replace my netbook at work | 01:07 |
| millenomi | now that My Business Is Actually Slightly Profitable | 01:08 |
| millenomi | I was planning to grab a N900 | 01:08 |
| millenomi | and a non-phone Android tablet like the new Archos ones. | 01:08 |
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| bobbyd | I've got the money, just need to justify it a bit more :) | 01:09 |
| bobbyd | I'm concerned that it'll be expensive to get a good data plan | 01:09 |
| mavhc | if phones didn't cost 40% more than non phones, maybe | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bobbyd, provider? | 01:17 |
| bobbyd | GeneralAntilles: I could get any provider, but I'm using vodaphone atm | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, UK, that I can't help with. | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I hear there are some reasonable plans available. | 01:20 |
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| bobbyd | I'll have a search and ask at work :) | 01:22 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles:what can you help with? US carriers? | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, well, I have a recommendation or two for them. ;) | 01:23 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: which one? | 01:24 |
| JoeBrain | iPhone is great, if you want more productivity you can jailbreak & get openSSH or network tethering. | 01:24 |
| ds3 | iphone is horrible | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | AT&T you can get away with their $15/mo "Unlimited" Data plan. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Web'n'Walk should also work OK with T-Mobile. | 01:24 |
| JoeBrain | why ds3? | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | is it actually unlimited? | 01:25 |
| ds3 | JobBrain: it is too sealed up | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | JoeBrain, you want #mac or #iphone. | 01:25 |
| JoeBrain | No, it's like 1.5GB? | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, is anything? | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: usually unlimited wouldn't mean 5 GB limit | 01:25 |
| ds3 | GA: is that $15 stand alone or $15 feature? | 01:25 |
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| bobbyd | GeneralAntilles: that's a good deal! | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, $15 feature | 01:25 |
| JoeBrain | GeneralAntilles: Sorry I'm 30 min late to the previous convo | 01:25 |
| ds3 | BAH | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | $35 standalone. | 01:25 |
| ds3 | that is expensive | 01:25 |
| ds3 | I'll stay with TMO | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | 5 GB/mo is patheticly little | 01:26 |
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| ds3 | on a different note,what's a cheap source for replacement BP5L's? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, the wireless war isn't one we're going to win in the short term. | 01:26 |
| JoeBrain | Yeah I'm usually worried about hitting limits though I'm probably never even close.. which is why I don't tether :\ | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, Amazon had Nokia ones for relatively cheap last I checked. | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | even a 56k dialup modem can do 17.3 GB/mo | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | JoeBrain, I tether all of the time and rarely hit more than about 1GB/mo. | 01:27 |
| ds3 | GA: what are you calling cheap? | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, it was around $20 last I checked. | 01:27 |
| ds3 | hmmm guess that sale is over then | 01:27 |
| JoeBrain | Hrmm I only use it when it's an emergency.. when I have to be on the road & my hockey team is playing I'll tether for Slingbox :D | 01:27 |
| ds3 | $35 is best on amazon... there are some website claiming about $24 | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It tends to fluctuate depending on who's offering them at the time. | 01:28 |
| ds3 | even at $20 it seems steep... they were selling new Treo650 batteries for $10 | 01:28 |
| bobbyd | what does tethering mean? | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | ....... | 01:29 |
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| JoeBrain | dots | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, yeah, but how many Treos where there compared to N800s and E90s? ;) | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bobbyd, using your cellphone as a modem for another device. | 01:32 |
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| bobbyd | oh | 01:34 |
| bobbyd | I do that with my current phone :) | 01:34 |
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| ds3 | GA: fair point | 01:35 |
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| ds3 | but the BP5L I assume is used in more then just the 770 and N800 | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a lot more. | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770, N810, 9300 | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | E90 was BP-4L | 01:36 |
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| ds3 | oh | 01:42 |
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| b-man16 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/16/bloodbot-draws-blood-inspires-fear/ | 01:58 |
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| b1ackdeath | is it posible to open the web browser to a certen url from the comand line or script | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | firefox http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | mischan - ignore that | 02:04 |
| `0660 | :D | 02:05 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 02:05 |
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| Dantonic | hey what repository is flite in? can't find it... | 02:06 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 02:14 |
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| AStorm | is that maemo alsa-dsp plugin supposed to work? | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Christ | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | One would figure explaining partition layouts wouldn't require half a day. | 02:34 |
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| torchie | can any handset maker besides nokia make their own device with maemo pre installed? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia does not have any plans to license Maemo as far as we're aware. | 02:41 |
| Firebird | bah, what happened to imagemagick for diablo | 02:41 |
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| torchie | i see | 02:43 |
| torchie | gonna have to find a way to get the cash for an n900 | 02:43 |
| torchie | and hope they make a NAM | 02:43 |
| pupnik | NAM? | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a NAM version | 02:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's available for pre-order from Nokia. | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | North AMerican, pupnik. | 02:44 |
| pupnik | Oh i thought vietNAM or somth | 02:45 |
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| torchie | :o | 02:47 |
| torchie | n900 vietnamese model | 02:47 |
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| * speedevil loves n900 long-time. | 02:50 | |
| torchie | best phone or bestest phone | 02:53 |
| speedevil | http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=35671&st=0&gopid=236244&#entry236244 | 02:55 |
| speedevil | meh | 02:55 |
| speedevil | not unexpected - but still meh | 02:55 |
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| torchie | what's quid | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles: can you spot any differences in the spec of NAM and rest of world? | 02:58 |
| torchie | wait let me google that for me | 02:58 |
| speedevil | A quid is a british pound sterling. | 02:58 |
| speedevil | $1.8 or so at the moment | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | (it's money) | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, only the keymap. | 02:59 |
| torchie | 10 money please | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | Uk and nam keymaps are different? :) | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I guess nam has z instead of s.. | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 03:03 |
| speedevil | And no ou key | 03:03 |
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| torchie | ou key? | 03:03 |
| speedevil | For colour. | 03:04 |
| speedevil | And flavour. | 03:04 |
| speedevil | Looking at the price plans - probably about half the price goes into the phone - on a contract. | 03:05 |
| * VDVsx wonders why Russian spammers like his blog so much o_0 | 03:07 | |
| torchie | there's a key for that? | 03:08 |
| speedevil | Because you have a blog that can easily be programmatically altered? | 03:08 |
| speedevil | rather than recaptcha or something? | 03:09 |
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| VDVsx | yes, but the comments are moderated | 03:09 |
| VDVsx | and the spam filter catch amost everthing ;) | 03:10 |
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| VDVsx | anyway, useless spam, I can't read a single word in Russian:P | 03:11 |
| JoeBrain | the R & E keys are backwards for UK also right? | 03:14 |
| JoeBrain | centre and theatre | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | Thu Sep 17 02:45:30 CEST 2009 | 03:45 |
| pupnik | ShadowJK: on what OS are you going to install it? | 03:45 |
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| torchie | windows 3.1 | 03:46 |
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| ShadowJK | Pupnik: i have ubuntu something in kvm | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | i believe I might have succesfully installed sbox and maemo4 sdk in it | 03:50 |
| pupnik | k. i have an older SB image somewhere | 03:50 |
| ShadowJK | But i need to figure out how to actually use it :) | 03:50 |
| pupnik | maybe we can help each other then | 03:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Multitouch is so silly. | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's think up stupid ways to use this." | 03:58 |
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| RST38h | rm_me | 04:18 |
| rm_you| | hey RST38h | 04:19 |
| rm_you| | so question... fremantle doesn't use DSME, right? | 04:19 |
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| JoeBrain | GeneralAntilles: Yeah that's the problem with people, they have hardware/software solutions & then they manufacture problems for them | 04:22 |
| RST38h | it does, afaik | 04:22 |
| RST38h | at least advbacklight interfaced with it | 04:23 |
| rm_you| | GeneralAntilles/JoeBrain: I don't know what you've been talking about, but people suck, as a rule :P | 04:23 |
| JoeBrain | The answer for "should we do something with this" seems to unfortunately lie in marketing usually | 04:23 |
| rm_you| | RST38h: ... that's what i'm working on | 04:23 |
| JoeBrain | rm_you|: lol I'll narrow it down to OEM people :D | 04:23 |
| rm_you| | RST38h: trying to figure out if i need to change the brightness method for fremantle or not | 04:24 |
| rm_you| | RST38h: AFAIK (and it makes sense) the ScratchBox environment doesn't run DSME, so i have no way to test <_< | 04:25 |
| RST38h | oh | 04:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you|, they're trying to make it look cool on NCIS and it just looks totally contrived. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minority Report is the only really cool use of multitouch I've seen. | 04:35 |
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| b-man16 | man i HATE WINDOWS!!!!! | 04:38 |
| b-man16 | i got a blue screen on my gp's laptop >:( | 04:39 |
| Proteous_ | gp? | 04:40 |
| b-man16 | grand patents | 04:40 |
| RST38h | grandparent? | 04:40 |
| b-man16 | *parents | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Super Patents?! | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nooo! | 04:40 |
| * b-man16 hates auto complete | 04:40 | |
| rm_you| | GeneralAntilles: make what look cool? multitouch? | 04:42 |
| b-man16 | anyways, it's late here so i need to go - see you guys later :) | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you|, yeah, multitouch. | 04:50 |
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| rm_you| | are the graphics in Xephyr kind of buggy for everyone? or is it just me | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Buggy for certain chipsets. | 05:05 |
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| pupnik | http://typophile.com/node/61920 [ First handmade subpixel type family, ever | Typophile ] <<< very cool font | 05:34 |
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| Macer | NCIS: LA? | 05:35 |
| Macer | blah what garbage :) | 05:36 |
| Macer | they had like a spinoff episode and it looked stupid | 05:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ew, subpixel, really, pupnik? | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Subpixel makes my eyes bleed. | 05:37 |
| RST38h | subpixel fonts are evil | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Subpixel is for Windows users. | 05:42 |
| RST38h | to drive them blind and then inadvertently convert them to linux | 05:44 |
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| pupnik | Dudes, i think you fail to be sufficiently impressed at a hand-drawn subpixel-hinted 3-pixel font | 06:24 |
| pupnik | there are almost no greys in the font - it's all colors | 06:25 |
| pupnik | It's a masterpiece of pixel pushing | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bias or something. | 06:25 |
| rm_you| | it's impressive technically but fails spectacularly at being legible :P | 06:25 |
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| MaceN8x0 | poor hubble | 06:34 |
| MaceN8x0 | always broken heh | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Again? | 06:35 |
| MaceN8x0 | who knows.. im watching when they fixed it in 2008 | 06:35 |
| MaceN8x0 | i didnt realize it was almost 20 yrs old | 06:36 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/09/500x_destroy-app.jpg | 06:36 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I am kinda fed with hand drawn subpixel fonts since ZX Spectrum | 06:37 |
| RST38h | pupnik: that 3x5 font was a real pain to look at | 06:37 |
| MaceN8x0 | they always show nebulae when talking about hubble | 06:38 |
| pupnik | spectrum didnt have a LCD | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | MaceN8x0, oh, check the new pictures. | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clarity went way up. | 06:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | after the repair? | 06:38 |
| RST38h | Right, so they were drawing it with normal pixels | 06:38 |
| RST38h | Smeared by TV signal =) | 06:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | They fixed the mirror. | 06:38 |
| MaceN8x0 | used windex to clean it? | 06:39 |
| MaceN8x0 | ;) | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/25/image/ | 06:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | they are showing a planetary system being born | 06:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | it is like | 06:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | 4 pixels heh | 06:41 |
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| MaceN8x0 | a teaspoon of neutron star weighs how much? | 06:45 |
| Gadgetoid | What the monkey! | 06:49 |
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| johnx | good morning! | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | moo | 07:31 |
| * RST38h wonders if he can make pulseaudio work before falling asleep | 07:34 | |
| johnx | RST38h, in what scenario? | 07:34 |
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| RST38h | johnx: simple | 07:35 |
| johnx | developer perspective or user? | 07:35 |
| RST38h | Well, I have done it | 07:36 |
| RST38h | developer of course | 07:36 |
| RST38h | But it eats off 12fps. Not fair. | 07:36 |
| pupnik | i've heard pulse is a bit heavy | 07:37 |
| RST38h | 12fps is not a bit... | 07:38 |
| RST38h | it is 20% of the needed framerate | 07:38 |
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| johnx | is pulse using lots of CPU time? or just messing with timing in some way? | 07:41 |
| johnx | you're not making it resample the audio, right? | 07:41 |
| johnx | (not trying to be condescending, just throwing out ideas) | 07:41 |
| RST38h | Ok, lowering sampling drequency to 22kHz put it back in place | 07:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: I have no idea what PA's native sampling freq is. For ESD it was 44.1kHz | 07:42 |
| johnx | well, the native for the tablet sound hardware is 44.1kHz | 07:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: Looks like setting it to 22.05kHz makes PA happier | 07:42 |
| johnx | odd | 07:42 |
| johnx | was it soaking up CPU time? or maybe a memory bandwidth thing? | 07:42 |
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| RST38h | it was PA + my smooth scaling code | 07:45 |
| RST38h | turned smooth scaling off, set PA to 22.05kHz, and I am back at 60fps | 07:45 |
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| RST38h | now just a few issues left: keyboard, menus, full screen mode... | 07:47 |
| RST38h | it shapes to be a nice little gaming system, especially given decent keyboard | 07:48 |
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| johnx | "it" = N900? | 07:52 |
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| RST38h | fremantle | 07:52 |
| RST38h | yes | 07:52 |
| ShadowJK | PA is a nontrivial CPU hog even on pc desktop :/ | 07:55 |
| * ShadowJK attempts to compile latest mplayer for diablo | 07:55 | |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Appears to be under control so far | 07:55 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Of course, you never know what type of load will make things go haywire... | 07:56 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, like 48000hz on N8x0 | 07:57 |
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| ShadowJK | Even MPlayer's non-fast resampler is faster than feeding 48000 | 07:57 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: ESD works in 44100 natively. Do not try feeding it other rates | 07:59 |
| RST38h | 'cause it will get ugly | 07:59 |
| ShadowJK | lol, I think nobody has tried to compile mplayer for arm6 since... since Cortex A8 came into existence | 07:59 |
| * RST38h decides to try AlmostTI | 07:59 | |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, yeah but back when I last used esd on desktop, it resampled quite happily in P133 at decent speed | 07:59 |
| ShadowJK | Admittedly at suck-ass quality | 08:00 |
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| timeless | gadgetoid: are you really on an n900? | 08:03 |
| * timeless is waiting for this flight to take off | 08:03 | |
| RST38h | Hmm...trying AlmostTI was a really BAD idea. | 08:04 |
| * timeless is starting summer vacation today | 08:04 | |
| * timeless will see people in a month or so | 08:05 | |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | fun times! | 08:05 |
| johnx | bon voyage | 08:05 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | timeless - there's something distinctly freudian about my nick | 08:05 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | I meant to type n810 | 08:05 |
| pupnik | You must be the n1000 then | 08:06 |
| ShadowJK | summer vacation in mid-september? :-) | 08:07 |
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| Gadgetoid_n900 | i will probably end up with an n900 | 08:08 |
| Gadgetoid_n900 | despite my desperately wanting to go payg + data sim | 08:08 |
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| timeless | shadowjk: why leave hel in the summer? i'd miss the three good days of weather | 08:09 |
| johnx | Gadgetoid_n900, what's stopping you from doing that with an n900? | 08:10 |
| RST38h | Ok, building VGBA and hitting the bed. | 08:10 |
| timeless | this way, i manage to miss the last minute n900 panic instead | 08:10 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, excellent plan :) | 08:10 |
| * ShadowJK looks at the assembler protesting :( | 08:10 | |
| johnx | RST38h, going to bed early or monstrously late? | 08:10 |
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| timeless | not intentional, but it managed to work out nicely | 08:10 |
| timeless | ok, bye all | 08:10 |
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| RST38h | johnx: as usual, 1:14 | 08:11 |
| johnx | 1:14 *PM*? | 08:12 |
| RST38h | am | 08:12 |
| RST38h | It is US east coast | 08:12 |
| johnx | ah! | 08:12 |
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| johnx | forgot you were back here :) | 08:12 |
| ShadowJK | Hm. Maybe the as in sb is too old | 08:12 |
| ShadowJK | oh, 2005.. :/ | 08:13 |
| * ShadowJK sighs | 08:13 | |
| RST38h | no cortex for you =) | 08:13 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, this is friggin vfp | 08:13 |
| RST38h | ehhehe | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Actually, Fremantle should be using 2009 toolchain | 08:14 |
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| ShadowJK | admittedly the vfp assembler file seems to start with .fpu neon | 08:14 |
| * ShadowJK ponders | 08:14 | |
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| ShadowJK | what's "UAL Syntax"? | 08:18 |
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| RST38h | Unified Assembly Language? | 08:26 |
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| RST38h | Ok. VGBA runs. Still having audio problems when fps get too low though | 08:31 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, right | 08:33 |
| ShadowJK | I hope the problem is that -march wasn't set | 08:33 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what gcc -march corresponds to cpu in N8x0 anyway | 08:34 | |
| pupnik | hmm arm1136js | 08:35 |
| pupnik | forgot | 08:35 |
| pupnik | now what is the difference between -maarch and -mcpu ? | 08:35 |
| ShadowJK | oh, hm, i'm screwed then | 08:35 |
| ShadowJK | the assembler complains about vpush | 08:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Right. as is too ancient | 08:59 |
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| Passeli | does anyone know what is the difference (as character set) between ASCII text and ASCII English text ? | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | ... | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | ASCII is english | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | there is only one ASCII charset | 09:02 |
| Passeli | because i have difficulties with uploaded package to repository | 09:04 |
| Passeli | only difference i have found, is that debian changelog file has been ASCII English text type | 09:05 |
| Passeli | uploaded package does not show up in maemo repository | 09:05 |
| Passeli | by difference i mean differences between previous package, which shows up in repo just fine | 09:06 |
| Passeli | running dch command inside scratchbox complains about that file character set is not utf-8 | 09:08 |
| Passeli | but i cannot change the character set of the changelog | 09:08 |
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| pupnik | Passeli: i wish i knew what to tell you | 09:58 |
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| L0cMini9 | re | 10:06 |
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| johnx | RST38h, ok, you're right: they should have just stuck with OSS | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 10:15 |
| johnx | mornin' Stskeeps | 10:15 |
| johnx | I still haven't learned git :) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | using UsingGitorious or something? | 10:16 |
| johnx | I looked at it, but it kind of blew my mind | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's like that at first | 10:16 |
| johnx | so I decided to hack on other stuff tonight | 10:16 |
| johnx | I'll just put the patches up on my site and link them in #mer | 10:16 |
| johnx | ...for now at least | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | jrocha and feimondora sit in here so you can probably talk to them with improvements | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php LCD Test - RGB order and orientation for subpixel hinting decision | 11:08 |
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| Corsac | hmhm does someone with a n900 could answer a simple question: is there a limit in term of received sms/mms/im messages (besides the internal memory capacity) | 11:33 |
| timeless | what's internal memory? | 11:35 |
| timeless | afaik there are no translatable strings describing such an error state | 11:35 |
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| timeless | however IME if your rootfs is full you may experience dataloss in related areas. and certainly if there's insufficient ram to manage billions of SMSs... | 11:36 |
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| Corsac | yeah if the sms are stored in the main memory I guess the limit is high enough not to worry | 11:37 |
| Corsac | but in my SE the sms aren't stored there, I have plenty of room available but still I can't store more than few dozen sms | 11:37 |
| Corsac | (which just plain sucks) | 11:37 |
| timeless | consider 1GB of VM and 30GB of storage. hypothetically if you manage to only receive 1byte sms's you wouldn't beable tomreach all of them | 11:38 |
| timeless | i doubt the people here w/ n900s have intentionally stress tested inbound sms | 11:38 |
| timeless | i certainly haven't had time to do that | 11:39 |
| timeless | what's an SE? | 11:40 |
| Corsac | Sony-Ericsson | 11:40 |
| Corsac | if there's an hard limit maybe it's noted somewhere on it, though | 11:40 |
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| Corsac | (except it's not on my SE, but...) | 11:40 |
| timeless | anyway my flight's about to depart | 11:41 |
| timeless | remember that most don't have official boxes as afaik none have been officially sold | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: have a good flight | 11:42 |
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| timeless | thanks. it's a very strange flight | 11:42 |
| timeless | i'm in vienna but i think most of the people aboard speak ivrit | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: that means it's leaving them on the SIM - not moving them off onto the phone | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | SIMs can store from about 10 up to hundreds of SMS | 11:43 |
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| timeless | oh, i don't think our device supports storing SMSs to the SIM | 11:44 |
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| timeless | again, i haven't seen strings for that. unlike the camera which has storage options | 11:45 |
| timeless | bye all | 11:45 |
| SpeedEvil | That's actually a not uncommon use-case - storing SMSs on the SIM so you can move them between phones | 11:47 |
| Corsac | I'm not sure it stores them on SIM, but it'd be worth a try | 11:48 |
| adeus | I think phone switch handles the sms:s as well | 11:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Corsac: well - it's one trivial reason for SMS limit of a dozen or two | 11:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: many phones have options as to what you do with incoming ones | 11:51 |
| Corsac | it's a bit more than that, but looking at the net, all SE phones seem to have that sms limit | 11:51 |
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| mk8 | sorry ... which version os scratchbox is used for maemo5? If read a lots of time ago that is the 2.0 while on my system the version is 1.0.16 .... Is this correct? | 12:23 |
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| gaspa | mk8: from beta2, yes. | 12:32 |
| mgedmin | mk8: sb2 is a potential replacement for sb1 that works somewhat differently | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | I think it's still in beta | 12:35 |
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| mk8 | ok ... thanks .... exist a image (VMware, VirtualBox, etc..) for maemo5 ready to download? | 12:47 |
| gaspa | mgedmin: sb2 was already used for SDKs until 5beta2... | 12:51 |
| gaspa | (well, I admit it's strange...) | 12:51 |
| mgedmin | and they switched back? | 12:51 |
| mgedmin | maybe sb2 proved out to be not ready yet | 12:52 |
| gaspa | maybe, I really don't know why... | 12:55 |
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| _berto_ | mk8: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:08 |
| _berto_ | I don't know if it includes the maemo 5 sdk, though | 13:09 |
| mavhc | when are vmware releasing their vm for arm? | 13:09 |
| mk8 | _berto_: already check ... only Diablo ... :( | 13:10 |
| gaspa | _berto_: i think not. | 13:10 |
| johnx | mavhc, I kinda figured it was more of a tech demo to lure big companies into contracting with them | 13:11 |
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| lcuk | johnx, everything is a techdemo | 13:39 |
| wazd | so, for the record, any questions for Jussi you want to ask? | 13:41 |
| vesa | mk8: there was an vpc image somewhere | 13:41 |
| vesa | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=1033&type=g | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | wazd: why is he so awesome? | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd is always awesome | 13:48 |
| mk8 | vesa: unfortunally there is no virtualpc for linux :) | 13:50 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if the DSP could be convinced to do x86 emulation. | 13:50 | |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:50 |
| alterego | Anything is possible, it's just about time | 13:51 |
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| vesa | there's a vmx file there too which opened in VMware player | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect not very well | 13:51 |
| aol | vesa: hmmm what distro does that have? | 13:51 |
| vesa | it just had some links to download stuff, didn't really look that far into it as we have a working image already | 13:51 |
| aol | vesa: if it has ubuntu then it's perfect | 13:52 |
| vesa | ah yes | 13:52 |
| vesa | ubuntu | 13:52 |
| aol | great! | 13:52 |
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| aol | I tried to do that my self but ubuntu did not want to run | 13:53 |
| aol | had to change VMWare | 13:53 |
| aol | but I rather used virtualPC | 13:53 |
| mk8 | if can be open by VMware I suppose that can ve read from VirtualBox .... | 13:53 |
| vesa | no idea mate, i'm quite a newbie here/using images in general. | 13:54 |
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| aol | I don't think they are interchangeable | 13:55 |
| mk8 | ok vesa ... I will make a test as soon as possibile ... | 13:55 |
| aol | but not sure though | 13:55 |
| mk8 | aol: VirtualBox can open VMWare image | 13:55 |
| mk8 | I already do it | 13:55 |
| Dantonic | Hi, anyone know what repos flite is located in? | 13:56 |
| Dantonic | johnx, ? | 13:56 |
| vesa | lul: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1797/ | 13:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh, I wonder how well syncing with google calendar will work | 14:01 |
| Shapeshifter | on the n900 | 14:01 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25863 | 14:01 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, khertan has been working on his mcalendar/mpim software which uses google sync | 14:02 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: is that the same as the "official" one? The official calendar looks sweet for the n900 | 14:02 |
| gaspa | mk8: I lost something... have you found an image with 5beta2 ? | 14:03 |
| mk8 | gaspa: vesa had posted a link to a virtualpc image .... I downloading it now but my internel connection is slow .... | 14:04 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, dont know whther the official one supports google sync | 14:04 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: I think it only does m$ exchange. | 14:05 |
| gaspa | mk8: ok, found. but can it be opened with virtualbox? | 14:05 |
| mk8 | I not know yet .... I will try it when I finish to download it | 14:05 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, then you already know the answer | 14:05 |
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| gaspa | mk8: seems not, but it's worth giving a try. | 14:07 |
| mk8 | gaspa: in the worst case I will start a VMWare converter to migrate from VirtualPc to VMware that can be open using virtualbox .... | 14:08 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: fyi, found out that google can be configured to mimick an exchange server for syncing tasks. nice. http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=147951 | 14:08 |
| lcuk | you mean google is a shapeshifter too ;) | 14:09 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: ;) | 14:09 |
| Shapeshifter | and both google and maemo5 do "active sync" so that's another option apparently. | 14:09 |
| vesa | mk8: there's a subdir in the package with vmware image too so if vbox can do vmware images you should be able to open it | 14:09 |
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| mk8 | thanks vesa | 14:10 |
| Shapeshifter | or maybe active sync means exchange... | 14:10 |
| Corsac | problem with that is to depend on an third-party server | 14:14 |
| Corsac | device2device sync seems way harder to get :/ | 14:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: A matter of taste I would say. Some like cloud computing. And the google calendar is really usable. | 14:15 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: ping | 14:16 |
| Corsac | even with cloud computing, I find it weird to have bluetooth, a phone and a laptop at 20cm, and having to send the data to some datacenter in the other part of the world | 14:16 |
| Corsac | and yes, security wise I don't like cloud computing at all | 14:16 |
| Corsac | (and installing a funambol server is a pain, too) | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, right. | 14:16 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: unping, need to go | 14:17 |
| Corsac | apple kind-of managed to do it fine (wether by iSync or I guess iTunes) | 14:17 |
| Corsac | I assume there are solution on Windows too | 14:18 |
| Corsac | but on Linux, it's quite a pain atm | 14:18 |
| Corsac | opensync/multisync is buggy | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | rsync! | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, damn | 14:21 |
| lcuk | mail me liquid @ gmail | 14:22 |
| Corsac | syncevolution with libsynthesis might become an usable solution, but only with evolution, so... | 14:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | doesn't the ical format support all usual things? like recurring, recurring every, and those | 14:28 |
| tuukkah | this is weird, from a month ago: "We have no plans of addressing the Python market. We believe the language of choice for scripting is JavaScript." http://qt.nokia.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=259349 | 14:28 |
| Shapeshifter | tuukkah: ewww | 14:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Javascript isn't as bad as you think | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | what kind of choice is that. they're completely different languages made for different purposes. | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | jeremiah_: I'm not saying it is bad, it's actually quite nifty. | 14:29 |
| tuukkah | case of left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing? or pyside being only a temporary solution for maemo? | 14:29 |
| lcuk | tuukkah, nokia has create pyside which is a version of pyqt | 14:30 |
| lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/08/30/0823206/Nokia-Makes-LGPL-Version-of-PyQt?from=rss | 14:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Python in the client is anot a great idea if you ask me. | 14:30 |
| tuukkah | lcuk, i know, that's the weirdness | 14:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Not until they fix the GIL. | 14:30 |
| lcuk | are they talking about scripting from inside a qt app itself tho | 14:31 |
| jeremiah_ | Most likely. | 14:31 |
| tuukkah | jeremiah, um, it's not about the GIL. you don't need to run a client app on multiple cores at the moment | 14:31 |
| lcuk | thepyqt and pyside stuff is usually for creating apps using qt from outside | 14:31 |
| jeremiah_ | tuukkah: Except when your machine is already multi core | 14:31 |
| jeremiah_ | Like all the time | 14:31 |
| Shapeshifter | well for inside stuff I would possibly agree that javascript would be just as good | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Not until you are going to do some serious processing. | 14:32 |
| tuukkah | the ticket was about the pyqt and pyside stuff: "It is suggested that Qt support more actively PyQt which is currently maintained by a third party Riverbank Computing." | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: A desktop applet will never have that problem. | 14:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Sure it will | 14:32 |
| jeremiah_ | If the OS delegates to different core, it will | 14:32 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, i would suggest that using c++ itself within a qt app would be best, but what other scripted mechanisms exist. is there an introspective runtime api available? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | .net can compile and run code dynamically using any of its supported languages | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Any python app using 100% of a core needs to be killed anyway. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: True =] | 14:33 |
| lcuk | not really python specific that | 14:34 |
| lcuk | but the 100% might be needed for something | 14:34 |
| lcuk | so might simply be running at fullspeed | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | * for longer periods of time | 14:34 |
| tuukkah | besides, you can always fork instead of starting a thread :-) | 14:34 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: I think the point would be to use it like lua is used in game engines, like MEL in used in maya etc. | 14:34 |
| lcuk | mmm what about a movie player or something | 14:34 |
| lcuk | decoding massive amounts of data for hours | 14:34 |
| lcuk | or games | 14:35 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: for using already made functions in an app dynamically without recompiling and such. | 14:35 |
| jeremiah_ | What you need is something that efficiently does concurrent programming | 14:35 |
| jeremiah_ | Python is not that language. | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Sure, write your low level video decoder in python ;) | 14:35 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, i agree | 14:35 |
| lcuk | but even something like a C++ interface would theoretically be feasible | 14:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | lcuk: so I guess for that reason javascript is sufficient. | 14:35 |
| lcuk | dont the best game engines have c++ internal scripting ;) | 14:35 |
| lcuk | lol X-Fade the argument doesnt matter about the language used tho | 14:36 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: No - emacs scripting! | 14:36 |
| tuukkah | dunno if there's going to be pyjavascript? | 14:36 |
| jeremiah_ | (If you consider emacs "gaming") | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, most pyton on the devices load C libraries or call other low level stuff. | 14:36 |
| Shapeshifter | tuukkah: there's no point int that, really. | 14:36 |
| tuukkah | actually, i suppose there is as you can do firefox extensions in python | 14:36 |
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| tuukkah | what about javascriptqt | 14:37 |
| jeremiah_ | It would be cool to have some kind of VM where you could write you language of choice and it gets translated into device language. | 14:37 |
| Shapeshifter | tuukkah: http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/ | 14:37 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, see gcc ;) | 14:37 |
| jeremiah_ | Without compiling | 14:37 |
| tuukkah | Shapeshifter, right, that one | 14:37 |
| jeremiah_ | :P | 14:37 |
| lcuk | then see mono/.net | 14:37 |
| jeremiah_ | No thank you. | 14:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Patent trap | 14:38 |
| tuukkah | translating is compiling | 14:38 |
| jeremiah_ | But there is Parrot. | 14:38 |
| tuukkah | it may be a jit though | 14:38 |
| lcuk | and jeremiah using gcc to create a .so, symlinking it in with a framework and using it is something that could be done v quickly | 14:38 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: Doesn't Vala do that? | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless it's interpreting. (translating) | 14:39 |
| lcuk | probably, but compilation from vala to c then to object code takes an age | 14:39 |
| jeremiah_ | oh, didn't know that. :( | 14:39 |
| lcuk | its the vala to c one on device thats the longest | 14:39 |
| jeremiah_ | aha | 14:39 |
| lcuk | vala is most similar to early c++ (c with objects) | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | But that is not a run time penalty. | 14:39 |
| lcuk | not at all | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | So tough luck for the developer, but great for the user ;) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | but then you are back to using python and other scripting languages | 14:40 |
| Dantonic | thank you lcuk | 14:40 |
| Dantonic | that's the link I needed :P | 14:40 |
| tuukkah | i might guess that the ovi sdk grows to encompass what an app needs, and then you can write your app in javascript | 14:40 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, whick link? | 14:40 |
| Dantonic | to flite | 14:40 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool yw | 14:41 |
| lcuk | scripting languages work really well as glue | 14:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Indeed. | 14:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Speaking of python: http://diveintopython3.org/?dupe=withhonor | 14:42 |
| lcuk | i remember on the amiga having arexx interface in app specifically for scripting | 14:42 |
| Shapeshifter | but there are no bindings for javascript | 14:42 |
| Shapeshifter | are there? | 14:42 |
| tuukkah | is there any reports about what the ovi sdk actually contains? that is, is there something like xulrunner implemented in webkit and qt? | 14:42 |
| lcuk | its something that isnt quite so standardized or pushed - though dbus should be that interface | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | tuukkah: Nokia webruntime? | 14:43 |
| tuukkah | X-Fade, yes, if that's what the ovi sdk targets | 14:44 |
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| tuukkah | "Quim is on the record (somewhere, I forget where) saying that WRT isn't on Maemo yet." | 14:48 |
| tuukkah | "it's unclear if the release of the Ovi SDK (whenever it is) will coincide with the release of WRT for Maemo." - this is Jaffa on talk | 14:49 |
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| tuukkah | ok, i think this clears it up :-) http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_2#Hands-on_development_with_Nokia_Web_Runtime | 14:54 |
| tuukkah | interesting times | 14:54 |
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| tuukkah | so you can use web technologies, or add some pyqt or qt for the parts that wrt doesn't have | 14:56 |
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| tuukkah | "should i learn gtk or qt?" - no, you should learn javascript | 14:58 |
| jeremiah_ | tuukkah: Start with Qt, add some javascript for certain uses. | 14:58 |
| tuukkah | why? | 14:59 |
| tuukkah | by the way, i wrote my first pyqt app yesterday and was a bit disappointed in that it's much less pythonic than pygtk | 14:59 |
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| tuukkah | like i can't connect to 'activated', i need to connect to QtCore.SIGNAL('activated (const QModelIndex &)') | 15:01 |
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| tuukkah | also, can't set a table header as "Package", need to set it as QtCore.QVariant("Package") | 15:03 |
| Corsac | maybe Nokia expects that, at the end of maemo summit, there'll be a lot of "widgets"/apps available for all the n900 buyers :) | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | tuukkah, i wonder if pyside will be similar | 15:04 |
| lcuk | or if they will aim to integrate with python better | 15:05 |
| jeremiah_ | Corsac: I suspect you're onto something there. :) | 15:05 |
| Corsac | people coding during the summit, and monday, oct 12, tada! product launch | 15:06 |
| Corsac | hmhm, though it might be easier to code while already having the device | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: ping? | 15:07 |
| * Corsac flips a coin | 15:07 | |
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| RST38h | mooo all | 15:11 |
| tuukkah | lcuk, hope they will. "We will however maintain API compatibility with PyQt, at least for the initial release." should perhaps take a look at these: http://qt.gitorious.org/pyside/pyside-examples/trees/master/examples | 15:12 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hello and good morning | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 15:15 |
| tuukkah | if it tells something, they've converted from this "self.exitAction.triggered.connect(QtGui.qApp.quit)" to this "self.connect(self.exitAction, QtCore.SIGNAL("triggered()"), QtGui.qApp.quit)" :-/ | 15:15 |
| lbt | good | 15:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | Stskeeps, how goes mer? | 15:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | lcuk get a good liq gui going for you guys yet? :) | 15:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase library is coming along at a tremendous rate | 15:17 |
| lcuk | it successfully managed to control the massive interaction and allowed the crowds to work with it exactly as required :) | 15:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | so that's a no? :) | 15:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 15:18 |
| lcuk | it was quick, slick and did everything requested :) we were able to create a really responsive gaming speed controller | 15:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | that sounded like a wikipedia entry lcuk ;) | 15:19 |
| lcuk | its a yes | 15:19 |
| lbt | tuukkah: although : cMgr.connect(self.exitAction, self.triggered(), QtGui.qApp.quit) would be better | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN8x0: works okay, we finally got the WPA entry bug fixed yesterday | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN8x0: so we can move ahead on 0.16 release | 15:19 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow | 15:19 |
| lcuk | ive got calendar and torch and sketching working nicely and the n900 allows me to do even more than before | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | and theres is an AMAZING liqflow app which is so touch responsive its a dream | 15:19 |
| MaceN8x0 | doesn't n900 + maemo5 have opengles? | 15:20 |
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| tuukkah | lbt, so you mean the QtCore.SIGNAL stuff is good? | 15:20 |
| lcuk | MaceN8x0, it does | 15:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 15:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | so are you able to use hw 3D woth opengles? | 15:20 |
| lcuk | have a look there tho | 15:20 |
| lbt | I like the connect() semantics | 15:20 |
| lcuk | i will do soon | 15:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | and liq? | 15:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | woth/with | 15:20 |
| lcuk | i want rotation for widgets anyway | 15:20 |
| lbt | they are about establishing a relationship | 15:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow | 15:20 |
| * lcuk is watching javispedro closely | 15:20 | |
| lbt | I think there's too much noise in the syntax above though :) | 15:21 |
| MaceN8x0 | that sounds awesome | 15:21 |
| MaceN8x0 | will be nice to see what you do with it | 15:21 |
| lbt | but I like something to act on both the sender and recvr... | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yeah im actively seeking a way to allow the widgets in the playground rotate with the accel to always point downwards | 15:21 |
| MaceN8x0 | make an office app with cups support and a liq interface | 15:21 |
| lbt | not have the sender tell itself what to send to... | 15:21 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 15:21 |
| lcuk | MaceN8x0, the postcard app is crying out for that! | 15:21 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 15:22 |
| lbt | the 3rd party view works better in the abstract/general case IMHO | 15:22 |
| tuukkah | lbt, what's the cMgr stuff? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | MaceN8x0, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9lFIXdowk&feature=player_embedded | 15:22 |
| lbt | well, it's OO | 15:22 |
| lcuk | thats the full presentation | 15:22 |
| lbt | so you can't just do connect() | 15:22 |
| lcuk | the calendar and liqflow look amazing in huge display! | 15:22 |
| lbt | notionally it's the mainloop connection manager | 15:22 |
| * lcuk loves how fast and slick the image viewer is | 15:22 | |
| lcuk | liqbase kinetics slide on superbutter on n900 | 15:23 |
| lcuk | imageselect/viewer * | 15:23 |
| lbt | one huge way that python slaps java is by not pretending that every damn thing is an object | 15:23 |
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| tuukkah | lbt, i see. however, in such a central feature of the platform, i think it'd be important to have concise syntax - such as the old one | 15:23 |
| lbt | fully agree | 15:24 |
| lbt | I don't mind Qt.connect() though | 15:24 |
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| tuukkah | my issue was more with the "QtCore.SIGNAL('activated (const QModelIndex &)')" part. that all should just be 'activated' in python | 15:25 |
| MaceN8x0 | lcuk, nice calendar | 15:25 |
| lbt | ooh... Red Arrows just flew over ..... low and in formation | 15:25 |
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| mgedmin | lbt: actually, in python everything is an object, more so than in java (no primitives, no weird class-object syntax), but I understand what you mean | 15:26 |
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| MaceN8x0 | you going to make a liq mer ui? | 15:26 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 15:26 |
| lbt | mgedmin: yes | 15:26 |
| lbt | tuukkah: pyside is new... Nokia are making noises about community contributions | 15:27 |
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| lbt | we can fix it | 15:27 |
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| MaceN8x0 | can hardly hear this | 15:27 |
| tuukkah | i wonder if it would even be possible to infer the former syntax from the latter | 15:27 |
| MaceN8x0 | all this tech crap you guys have and nobody can get a better camcorder? :) | 15:28 |
| lbt | it gets interesting when there are parameters passed .. | 15:28 |
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| lbt | not thought about it for a bit | 15:28 |
| MaceN8x0 | nobody had an n96? hehe | 15:28 |
| MaceN8x0 | n95 | 15:28 |
| lbt | IIRC there are late-binding things and runtime type issues | 15:28 |
| lbt | meh | 15:28 |
| wazd | liqtorch is absolutely brilliant in it's apotheosis :D | 15:29 |
| tuukkah | lbt, yeah :-/ | 15:29 |
| lcuk | wazd :) it is art lol | 15:29 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow. don't ever hire this guy to cam a bootleg movie | 15:30 |
| lcuk | its hello world too | 15:30 |
| lcuk | the simplest liq* app possible | 15:30 |
| lcuk | shows the ropes and lights the way | 15:30 |
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| tuukkah | there's a pyqt talk at the summit, perhaps we'll know more then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_2#PyQt_application_development_on_Maemo | 15:34 |
| MaceN8x0 | yawn | 15:36 |
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| wazd | lcuk: does it forces backlight to turn on completely? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 15:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 15:36 |
| lcuk | wazd, it just shows a bright screen, if theres bugs send patches | 15:37 |
| wazd | lcuk: cause you know, in dark room light sensor will dim the backlight as much as possible | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | wazd, it isnt a big deal really - i use it goin to bed lol | 15:38 |
| lcuk | and i can see with it | 15:38 |
| lcuk | if someone has a problem, they can send a patch - its the idea of it | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | bbiab tho | 15:39 |
| wazd | lcuk: I can't I can only suggest :) | 15:39 |
| lcuk | ofc :) | 15:39 |
| * lcuk loves suggestions | 15:39 | |
| lcuk | but i have lots to do myself - principally finding a job | 15:39 |
| lcuk | which i really hope does not involve me stopping maemo work | 15:40 |
| wazd | lcuk: you can apply to nokia :) | 15:40 |
| jjo | come work for maemo ;) | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | wazd, the roles require 2 major things - .masters degrees and .fi whilst i can go anywhere, the family have once again asserted they cannot leave manchester (jacob has learning difficulties and is set in school), so whatever role would need to manage two houses. | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | wazd: I didn't see any jobs in Nokia or Maemo recently | 15:43 |
| lcuk | there are some crashanddie | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | s/recently/recently, that had lcuk's requirements/ | 15:43 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: wazd: I didn't see any jobs in Nokia or Maemo recently, that had lcuk's requirements | 15:43 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&radiusType=K&radius=1&organization=2746770113868&searchcriteria.state=false | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: 33 jobs found | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: read up ^ | 15:44 |
| lcuk | i was reading hte jobs site: http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&radiusType=K&radius=1&organization=2746770113868&searchcriteria.state=false | 15:44 |
| Mace_N8x0 | damn phone is being a whore | 15:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:44 |
| tuukkah | lcuk, you know finland is known for having the best schools in the world :-) | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Yeah, lag.. | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | tuukkah: english schools? | 15:44 |
| tuukkah | lcuk, in helsinki there are english languages schools as well | 15:44 |
| lcuk | tuukkah, if someone can convince my girlfriend then i would jump at the chance :$ | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | girlfriend? | 15:45 |
| lcuk | but no job would pay me to hold 2 locations open | 15:45 |
| wazd | I think master degree is not a big issue | 15:45 |
| lcuk | i dont either | 15:45 |
| lcuk | and i put 4 candidate jobs to the side which looks good and had the sorts of roles and skills i am strong with | 15:46 |
| lcuk | but its the family issue :) | 15:46 |
| wazd | no, I mean I don't think that they won't take you onboard if you won't have master degree but will have nice portfolio | 15:46 |
| glass | paylevel in finland sucks anyways | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: most reasonable companies would offer you a decent relocation package, especially if the family has to come with | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | glass: that was more my thought | 15:47 |
| thux | salaries are also low here and taxes high (fi) | 15:47 |
| lcuk | crash, relocation only comes if the family wants to be relocated | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: they will if you have no other choice | 15:47 |
| lcuk | otherwise its called something else | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | plus it's just moving countries ffs, it builds character | 15:47 |
| glass | thux: and living and food is world top level.. | 15:47 |
| glass | expense | 15:47 |
| thux | yes | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how old is your oldest? | 15:47 |
| wazd | glass: nothing is more expensive than Moscow :D | 15:48 |
| tuukkah | umm, aren't the salaries comparable to anywhere else? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | 14 nearly 15 | 15:48 |
| wazd | glass: so I don't care :D | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | glass: rent is higher than london or SF? | 15:48 |
| glass | crashanddie: i think you could find small areas where even that would apply in finland | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I had 4 different countries in my passport by that time | 15:48 |
| glass | crashanddie: you can buy a house for pretty cheap though. if you don't care that it's 3 hours from helsinki | 15:48 |
| lcuk | i relally must go, i will read this lot properly later | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | glass: how much is a house in helsinki? | 15:49 |
| tuukkah | true, after the taxes you have less money left but you also need to spend less as you don't have to pay for kids going to school etc. | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | glass: 3 bedroom house in nice area? | 15:49 |
| thux | many works here between 3-4k e in ict industry | 15:49 |
| thux | a month | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | after tax? | 15:49 |
| glass | crashanddie: a million? if you're talking about a house and not an apartment. depends highly of course on location in finland.. | 15:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: not true actually, but anyway :) | 15:49 |
| glass | crashanddie: but a house in shithole town in finland is like 60ke | 15:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: Is Tokyo more expensive? ) | 15:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: Sweden is afaik | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | glass: a house in a shithole anywhere is dirt cheap | 15:50 |
| RST38h | And some other nordic countries as well | 15:50 |
| glass | i think helsinki is quite often right after moscow on "most expensive places on earth" | 15:50 |
| wazd | 3k E is pretty nice | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | depends | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | before or after tax? | 15:51 |
| glass | before | 15:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: Also the stats you are talking about have been computed for executive-level expats having to live in Moscow | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | meh | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | shite | 15:51 |
| wazd | well, even 2.5 K is awesome :) | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | that's what I'm on and I'm 23yo | 15:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: They include a Volvo with a personal driver, if I remmber correctly ;) | 15:51 |
| glass | wazd: it's not awesom if same job in germany would net you double | 15:51 |
| RST38h | glass: but taxes? | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | 4ke BT is pretty low tbh | 15:52 |
| glass | RST38h: but taxes in finland are higher than anything i can think of so | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | especially if you get hit with something along the lines of 60% tax | 15:52 |
| glass | i make ~3ke taxed, i get about 2000e to hand | 15:52 |
| RST38h | glass: remember, .ru taxesare 13% flat | 15:52 |
| RST38h | 30% isn' bad | 15:52 |
| wazd | I'm 21 and I can't find a job for more than 800 euros :) | 15:52 |
| tuukkah | so do you guys know of some research doing these comparisons? | 15:52 |
| wazd | With all my skills and stuff | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | wazd: sure you can, just move to the correct city | 15:53 |
| glass | RST38h: also, vodka etc doesn't cost anything in russia | 15:53 |
| glass | RST38h: 10e for cheap 0.5l here | 15:53 |
| thresh | cheap vodka, true | 15:53 |
| wazd | crashanddie: I can't leave the country yet | 15:53 |
| thresh | good vodka, i dunno | 15:53 |
| thresh | wazd: moscow? | 15:53 |
| RST38h | wazd; that can be remedied, a friend needs a reasonable website designe | 15:53 |
| wazd | thresh: I'm already here :) | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | wazd: I'm 23 and I'm on the average that glass was talking about, lol so yeah, there's jobs out there, you just need to move out | 15:54 |
| thresh | it's weird, we got plenty of positions (programmers, though) in Korolev | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | wazd: why can't you move out? | 15:54 |
| RST38h | glass: AFAIK you have got decent wines, cheap | 15:54 |
| thresh | for a lot more than 800E | 15:54 |
| glass | RST38h: hahahahahahahahahahah | 15:54 |
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| glass | RST38h: look, a wine that's 1.5e in spain is 7e here | 15:54 |
| RST38h | glass: But I am only telling what I have been told, not drinking and all | 15:54 |
| wazd | crashanddie: army dep don't want me to leave so fast :) | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | wazd: their authority stops at the border | 15:54 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, I'm doing some stuff like this (that's the only thing that brigns me money) but I wish I had a full-time job :( | 15:55 |
| glass | but yeah, norway is more expensive than finland | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but you get paid shitloads more too | 15:55 |
| glass | yeh | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | don't forget, salaries are in direct relation to the cost of life | 15:55 |
| wazd | crashanddie: their authority stops *me* at the border and brings me home :D | 15:55 |
| glass | and if you're in southern norway it's not such a long trip to denmark | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | stop thinking in terms of "omfg that country is expensive", just make sure you ask for the correct amount of money so you can maintain the same lifestyle | 15:56 |
| glass | hehe yeah | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | poland for the tax and food prices | 15:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Programmer jobs are not that hard to find in Moscow. They pay about $1500...$4000 | 15:56 |
| thresh | isnt poland boring as hell? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: plenty of beautiful women | 15:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, start learning C++ ;) | 15:56 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: ok, fine for me | 15:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, designers are much more widespread | 15:57 |
| glass | thresh: poland is in direct connection to middle europe. that's not boring :D | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | if I wanted to have the same lifestyle as I have now, I could move to some godforsaken town in Texas and live with $30k a year, if I want to have the same lifestyle in SF, I need $120k | 15:57 |
| tuukkah | crashanddie, one thing to remember is to account for travelling abroad and the currency exchange rates | 15:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: every schoolboy can work for food so it's really hard to find something worthy | 15:57 |
| thresh | you cant got clubbing in some next country ... | 15:57 |
| thresh | go | 15:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: that is not entirely correct | 15:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: thst's wat I see :) | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | tuukkah: I'm european and my job includes travelling around the world continuously, trust me, if there's one thing I know about, it's currencies ;) | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: because people with expertise and no brainbugs are hard to come by | 15:58 |
| thresh | designers and photographers <- what moscow is made of | 15:58 |
| tuukkah | go work in a cheap country and you can never travel back home. whereas if you work in an expensive country such as finland, you can travel abroad cheaply | 15:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: you usually get either a complete newbie reading the Hacker magazine or something | 15:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: Art.Lebedev wanted to give me like 500 bucks a month :) | 15:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: Fuck Lebedev | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | http://www.lendpal.co.uk/cost-of-living.php | 15:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: And I was like, meh, c ya dudes :) | 15:59 |
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| tuukkah | there's helsinki at 29th most expensive city | 16:00 |
| tuukkah | or is that the quality of life ?-) | 16:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: have you done any polygraphy work? | 16:01 |
| tuukkah | highest in the uk is london at 39th | 16:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: well... I guess not | 16:01 |
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| wazd | RST38h: My school's logo on the uniform doesn't count I think :) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: nah, I am afraid :( | 16:02 |
| thresh | well if you're really good, isnt it better to work on yourself? | 16:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think I can do basicaly everything except art and 3D | 16:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: Could you send me some likeness of a portfolio? I will forward it to a friend of mine | 16:03 |
| wazd | thresh: I work for myself now :) | 16:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, you can lik him to my blog for example, that usually works :) | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | wazd: They basically need website UI design, may also need logos, etc | 16:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: since 99.9% of images are drawn by me :) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: got it. | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | lik to your blog? | 16:04 |
| wazd | crashanddie: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ | 16:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, and no complex Flash stuff. Yet :) | 16:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: like games and so on :) | 16:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: they ain't using it, and they have got the PHP guy already | 16:05 |
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| wazd | RST38h: wow, just the design | 16:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: Am I in Heavens? :D | 16:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, you may end up doing php as well. | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Which, IMHO, is a good thing really | 16:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm not very good at PHP | 16:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can do it, but slow and swearing :) | 16:07 |
| thresh | no php programmer is any good at php | 16:07 |
| thresh | (as well as everything else, actually) | 16:07 |
| * RST38h programs in PHP every now and then | 16:08 | |
| * RST38h now feels disqualified from humanity. Gotta find a wall to throw myself at =) | 16:08 | |
| thresh | :) | 16:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: What email should I give? | 16:09 |
| ccooke | RST38h: there's nothing wrong with programming in php... | 16:10 |
| ccooke | ... if there isn't an alternative | 16:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think drew.zhilin@gmail.com would be fine | 16:11 |
| RST38h | ack | 16:11 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Like ASP.NET for example... | 16:11 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 16:11 | |
| ccooke | RST38h: I said "an alternative", not "a festering wound upon the computing industry" ;-) | 16:12 |
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| tuukkah | 2009 study: helsinki 7th most expensive, 12th highest wages, 14th highest purchasing power. the rest is not in rankings, but interesting read with weekly working hours etc. | 16:12 |
| tuukkah | http://www.ubs.com/1/ShowMedia/media_overview/media_global/releases?contentId=170255&name=P+L_2009_e.pdf | 16:12 |
| ccooke | php is *merely* inconsistent, unreliable and horrible to code large proects in :-0 | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | PHP was a good language, they're just plagued by bad coders, and the devs/PM listen to those bad developers too much | 16:12 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: PHP has been fundamentally flawed since its inception. It *does* actually get better each release, on average | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: I hear what you're saying, but still believe you're wrong | 16:13 |
| RST38h | ccooke: you are not supposed to code anything big in php | 16:13 |
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| ccooke | but it still suffers from the paradigm: "There are many ways to do it, and some of them will turn out to have been utterly wrong after six months" | 16:14 |
| RST38h | As to inconsistency or unreliability, I haven't really found much | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Yes, PHP is easy to code in and this attracts stupid people with "ideas" | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | That is not PHP's fault though | 16:14 |
| ccooke | RST38h: I may be a little bitter; spent the last months coding in PHP because it was the only language some of the other devs knew and management Decided. | 16:15 |
| ccooke | few months, even | 16:15 |
| RST38h | oh | 16:15 |
| ccooke | Thankfully, I'll be working in Ruby for my next bit of dev work. *so* much nicer | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: and as a moderator of fclp and zce, I approve of my statement | 16:16 |
| RST38h | not sure about it :) | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | ;) | 16:16 |
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| ccooke | crashanddie: there are things I like about php - quite a lot, actually. The annoyances are a little high on my list right now, but given six months I'll likely be back to normal ambivalence :-) | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: tbh, I've given up on PHP | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | I use it for small stuff, on an old PHP 4 installation | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | PHP 5 is when I drew a line | 16:17 |
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| RST38h | what changed in php5? | 16:18 |
| * RST38h uses php5 | 16:18 | |
| crashanddie | their OO model | 16:18 |
| ccooke | but there are some absolutely... well. I recall one thing from this project: A two order of magnitude increase in performance, swapping every use of array_key_exists() for the (also built-in, almost identical) isset() | 16:18 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: that's one of the things I like about it, actually :-) | 16:18 |
| RST38h | ah...I ignore the oo model :) | 16:18 |
| ccooke | although it's missing a few bits and pieces | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | basically, they've created an OO model that allowed for people who don't understand OO. People who would use Java or C++ without ever using extends or implements keywords | 16:18 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: you around | 16:19 |
| * RST38h never uses those, they are not present in c++ =) | 16:19 | |
| crashanddie | : then | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | :P | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | Most PHP OO programmers just want to wrap procedural code in classes, create 20 objects at the start, and call useless static methods | 16:19 |
| lbt | have you looked at django? | 16:20 |
| lbt | it's php with a brain | 16:20 |
| * RST38h isn't sure he wants brain in his PHP | 16:21 | |
| lbt | s/with/for people with/ | 16:21 |
| infobot | lbt meant: it's php for people with a brain | 16:21 |
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| lbt | heh | 16:21 |
| Mek | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/09/17/office-viewer-for-maemo5-based-on-koffice/ | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 16:22 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: heh. The project I've just come from is OO from the start. The php5 model does work rather well for it. | 16:22 |
| lbt | I think php is a bit like perl | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Mek: Somebody is violating his NDA ;) | 16:22 |
| ccooke | lbt: there's a reason for that :-) | 16:22 |
| lbt | awesome language... lots of dipshit programmers | 16:23 |
| RST38h | lbt: all C-derived scripting languages are a bit like each other | 16:23 |
| ccooke | lbt: php was originally a perl script | 16:23 |
| RST38h | As to shitty/awesome languages, you can write good code in BASIC, if you know what you are doing | 16:23 |
| ccooke | RST38h: hey, don't knock basic. Some variants of it were great... Acorn/BBC basic, for instance :-) | 16:24 |
| glass_ | qbasic was great. great in the sense that it came with msdos. (it took us a while to find friends who could copy us a c compiler back in the day..) | 16:24 |
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| glass_ | and it included a pretty good help too | 16:25 |
| ccooke | I was given a copy of quickbasic by a work experience place I went to. That was fun :-) | 16:25 |
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| ccooke | although I think qbasic was actually more capable by the end | 16:26 |
| glass_ | ccooke: we just were given the possibility to bring home old coax cables :\ | 16:26 |
| glass_ | though, for home lanning they worked | 16:26 |
| ccooke | glass_: I was very lucky. It was a place with no real programmers who used a lot of PCs with DOS programs to interface with some unix machines | 16:27 |
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| glass_ | also we were given tasks a 14 year old could figure out would have been better to have scripted rather than to be done by hand | 16:27 |
| ccooke | My first experience of Unix, actually :-) | 16:27 |
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| ccooke | I ended up writing a menuing system for them - text based, nothing complex. But since they had nobody who could do it, they were very happy | 16:27 |
| glass | also one of those work experience places was the only place i've seen sco unix used | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I'm here | 16:28 |
| * RST38h remembers the sudden freedom of knowing that you can walk into any campus lab and all your data will be at your fingertips instantly | 16:28 | |
| jeremiah_ | Sco UNIX used to be quite popular. | 16:28 |
| RST38h | It actually felt way better than carrying a laptop or a tablet | 16:28 |
| glass | jeremiah_: yeah but we were running linux at home by then. also, they didn't seem to know how to remote use it | 16:28 |
| ccooke | They used MS Xenix at a college I went to :-) | 16:29 |
| ccooke | (which is what became SCO) | 16:29 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: "popular" in the sense "widely despised"? | 16:29 |
| ccooke | RST38h: real SCO, not the Canopy group who bought the name later | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Before it was bought by patent trolls, it was considered quite 'open' | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | I think it was Caldera before | 16:29 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: open, shmopen, it was dumb | 16:30 |
| ccooke | Caldera were a Linux distributor who bought real-SCO | 16:30 |
| ccooke | the Canopy group then bought Caldera and renamed it SCO | 16:30 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: you could crash a running program by doing "more <program-binary>" | 16:30 |
| lbt | no | 16:30 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh | 16:30 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: the install process had to be done from ~50 floppies because the CDROM drivers never worked right | 16:30 |
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| jeremiah_ | Yikes. | 16:31 |
| lbt | SCO was crap but nice | 16:31 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: You had freaking Microsoft C and CodeView for developer tools | 16:31 |
| * jeremiah_ reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_Operation | 16:31 | |
| jeremiah_ | It really did come from Xenix, wow. | 16:31 |
| ccooke | IIRC Xenix/SCO Unix was one of the first Unixes on x86 | 16:31 |
| RST38h | it did | 16:31 |
| jeremiah_ | Amazing. | 16:31 |
| RST38h | cooke: there were a few others | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Minix is one ;) | 16:32 |
| ccooke | indeed :-) | 16:32 |
| jeremiah_ | That is what Linus copied. :) | 16:32 |
| lbt | SCO was very popular with small businesses though | 16:32 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: It was, especially in the US | 16:32 |
| ccooke | lbt: cheap hardware | 16:32 |
| jeremiah_ | It had lots of customers, for a while anyway. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | lbt: It was government certified | 16:32 |
| RST38h | lbt: We couldn't legally use anything but SCO, that is why we had to suffer | 16:33 |
| lbt | I ported xlib menus to emacs 18 on SCO | 16:33 |
| jeremiah_ | Once Red Hat came around and the UNIX copyright wars part 2 showed up, people fled. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Besides, x.25 boards only had sco drivers | 16:33 |
| ccooke | The college I went to was pretty average: a mid-range 486 (we're talking 1994, here) with around 30 dumb terminals plugged in | 16:33 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: People fled because SCO sucked. | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: And they actually fled to BSDs first, except for poor souls whose use of SCO was mandated | 16:34 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, BU moved from SCO to Red Hat anyway. | 16:34 |
| jeremiah_ | Which was pretty cool. | 16:34 |
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| crashanddie | ccooke & RST38h: there's only one good reason to be programming in PHP these days | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | ccooke & RST38h: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.phpi/2b100e19/fuck_mod_perl.jpg?cb=1115204527 | 16:35 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: The SCO vs Linux war came much later, when SCO was already running dry | 16:35 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh, mod_perl FTW! | 16:35 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: It's a good fit for small-scale, heavily template based projects. | 16:36 |
| jeremiah_ | Its a templating language, based on perl and C. | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: BTW, at that time (1993-1999) I would be really scared of using Linux in production. The same RedHat kernel-paniced on failed name lookups | 16:36 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Which kinda proves SCO didn't suck _that much_ then | 16:36 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: shitty networking, jerky scheduler | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | schedular still isn't fixed, tbh | 16:37 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Well you had NetBSD/FreeBSD that worked very very well | 16:37 |
| jeremiah_ | The BSDs have always had a pretty reputable TCP stack | 16:37 |
| ccooke | RST38h: er... 1993 I'll agree with easily, but 1999? I was using linux in production in 1998, and the only reason I wasn't doing so earlier is that's when I started working :-) | 16:37 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: I used to bet that I can recognize a Linux machine by how responsive my ftp session is ;) | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: lmao | 16:38 |
| RST38h | ccooke: Well, in 1999 it was way better than in 1993 :) | 16:38 |
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| jeremiah_ | In 1993 it was two years old | 16:38 |
| RST38h | ccooke: But if you wanted a computer you could forget about maintaining, that was FreeBSD | 16:38 |
| ccooke | RST38h: of course it was! We're not talking about Hurd, here ;-) | 16:38 |
| jeremiah_ | And that is when debian was born | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: net* > * | 16:38 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Or NetBSD, especially if you had weird hardware | 16:38 |
| RST38h | It is funny how Linux (always FUDing BSD world for "fragmentation") broke into so many distros, while BSD forks are still very few and focused on distinct purposes | 16:40 |
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| ccooke | RST38h: I'd read that as a simple popularity indicator | 16:42 |
| RST38h | yes, that too | 16:42 |
| ccooke | there are a roughly comparable number of big-name Linux and BSD variants | 16:42 |
| ccooke | but Linux gets tons of hobbyist and optimist spinoffs. BSD has a few, too - just far fewer. | 16:42 |
| RST38h | not really comparable | 16:43 |
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| RST38h | BSD: Net,Free,Open. Linux: Slackware,Debian,RedHat,SUSE,Ubuntu,Gentoo,Centos,Mandriva,Fedora,Xandros,etc | 16:44 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | RST38h, that is a short list you have there | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Yep, I missed about as many as I listed | 16:45 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 16:45 |
| ccooke | RST38h: Debian, RedHat, SUSE, Ubuntu. The rest are parts of the same project. And there are many more BSDs than that, too :-) | 16:45 |
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| ccooke | gah, missed a sentence | 16:45 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ccooke, hm. far fewer than linux distros | 16:45 |
| RST38h | ccooke: No, a fork is a fork | 16:45 |
| ccooke | parts of the same project or hobbyist/niche/etc. | 16:45 |
| ccooke | Fedora is not a fork of redhat | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | linux is what is wrong with open source | 16:46 |
| RST38h | ccooke: but it is far enough from redhat | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 16:46 |
| RST38h | so is centos | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | forgot freenas ;) | 16:46 |
| RST38h | You missed Slackware and Gentoo | 16:46 |
| ccooke | RST38h: no, fedora is Redhat+x | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | that's a bsd based distro isnt it? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | ok, let us disqualify Fedora | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | Mace: well, it's linux | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | mandriva? | 16:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i thought freenas was nbsd based | 16:47 |
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| ccooke | Centos *is* redhat. 100% binary compatible, just rebranded. | 16:47 |
| Mace_N8x0 | or am i thinking of something else? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | disqualifying CentOS | 16:47 |
| RST38h | The rest you will have trouble disqualifying though | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | disqualify maemo? | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | android | 16:48 |
| RST38h | SUSE/ubuntu are definitely NOT Debian | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | angstrom | 16:48 |
| ccooke | I don't need to - the rest I'm basically calling "hobbyist or niche" | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Macer: I do not think maemo and android qualify as distros | 16:48 |
| ccooke | Mandriva, actually, is probably still big enough to be counted as major | 16:48 |
| ccooke | Slackware isn't. | 16:48 |
| alterego | Maemo does, IMO, android, not so much. | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Macer: they are applications of a certain distro | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ubuntu is an obvious fork | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | RST38h, why not? ;) | 16:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ah | 16:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | fair enough | 16:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | mer ;) | 16:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 16:49 |
| ccooke | yeah, ubuntu's a fork. | 16:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i guess mer = ubuntu | 16:49 |
| RST38h | Angstrom/Familiar are probably separate distros though | 16:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | (sort of) | 16:49 |
| ccooke | Mace_N8x0: is it really that close? | 16:50 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i suppose | 16:52 |
| Mace_N8x0 | either way, linux does tend to fragment over petty disputes | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | we rape ubuntu a bit | 16:52 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | typical linux dev means disputes are settled with a "fuck you then" fork | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, we're just a pinning repo on top of ubuntu technically speaking | 16:53 |
| Mace_N8x0 | why not call it merbuntu? | 16:54 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 16:54 |
| Mace_N8x0 | 35676555678778 more users if you do that :) | 16:54 |
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| * Mace_N8x0 thinks of "the debian foundation" | 16:55 | |
| Mace_N8x0 | never mind | 16:55 |
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| Wooly_ | hey guys, just after a little bit of assistance getting a gstreamer pipe into an application widget, rather than the full window. Anyone about to take a look at the code? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Anyone from Nokia here? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | (and willing to help with fb0 usage in Fremantle?) | 17:20 |
| mfinkle | anyone know how to programmatically turn off auto-capitalize for edit boxes? | 17:21 |
| Meizirkki | mfinkle, It's in Control Panel | 17:22 |
| Meizirkki | Text Input Settings | 17:22 |
| mfinkle | Meizirkki: I don't want to turn it off for the entire device, just my app | 17:22 |
| mfinkle | or even for a single editbox in my app | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | mfinkle: there's an option for it afaik | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | mfinkle: the option is called String.toLower() | 17:26 |
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| mfinkle | crashanddie: sorry, that's not acceptable :) | 17:27 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | hm | 17:32 |
| Mace_N8x0 | anybody here a lawyer? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | what'd you do now? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | haha | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | killed my gf with a laserprinter | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | impossible, those things are heavy as hell. the hulk must have done it. | 17:34 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i was actually curious about hazardous waste ventelation requirements for biochemical vapors | 17:34 |
| lcuk | Mace_N8x0, that requires more than a lawyer afaik | 17:34 |
| lcuk | a very specific industry specialist lawyer would be best | 17:34 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hm | 17:35 |
| lcuk | speak with your company | 17:35 |
| lcuk | or is it relating to your girlfriend farting | 17:35 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:35 |
| Mace_N8x0 | well, was just looking for epa guidelines on it | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | Mace_N8x0: that's country specific | 17:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | usa | 17:36 |
| lcuk | even worse, its industry within country specific usually | 17:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | epa | 17:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | biochemical industries are rather similar | 17:36 |
| Wooly_ | I have a full screened application, and want to have the contents of the webcam in a 320x240 box in the middle of the screen. If I add the gtk.DrawableArea to the VBox, and set the size request for the drawing area to be 320x240, the vertical size is maintained, but not the horizontal size. Any ideas? | 17:36 |
| lcuk | cant you just read the epa guidelines then | 17:37 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i figured it would be covered under superfund | 17:37 |
| Mace_N8x0 | still looking though for applicable law | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | Wooly_, lardman started the barcode reader as a simple gtk app which displayed webcam contents in a gtk box | 17:37 |
| lcuk | its relatively simple code (or was) and may answer your question | 17:37 |
| lcuk | lemme just see if i can find the garage project | 17:38 |
| Wooly_ | lcuk: It's all in C afaik, and i'm not so good with C :( | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | ahhh you didnt say that :P | 17:38 |
| lcuk | which toy language then | 17:38 |
| Wooly_ | ahh sorry, Python :D | 17:38 |
| lcuk | well, his new barcode app is in python afaik lol | 17:38 |
| lcuk | so the same may still apply | 17:38 |
| lcuk | but i dunno where it all is | 17:38 |
| Wooly_ | haha yeah, but I'm not sure if he's published the code yet | 17:38 |
| Wooly_ | doesn't appear he has :( | 17:40 |
| Wooly_ | I'm sure it's something pretty trivial, and I just cant see it | 17:41 |
| lcuk | have you checked whether it does the same none resizing thing when you use a standard non camera widget in the same place | 17:41 |
| lcuk | ie just a colored box | 17:42 |
| lcuk | and if it does, you can tailor your question at general gtk devs | 17:42 |
| Wooly_ | not yet, that sounds like a good next step :D | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | btw Wooly_ its the trivial little details which catch a lot of people up. especially if you have a mostly working codebase but havent implemented something required | 17:48 |
| Wooly_ | yeah that's true | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The email from the travel agent has to be the most confusing thing I've ever seen. | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, especially the part about parachutes | 17:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the ones labelled "opens on impact"? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | ahhh mine said "there are 14 parachutes available for this flight on a first come, first saved basis" | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | anyone know of any good minicom alternatives? :P | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm getting slightly pissy at it :P | 17:51 |
| RST38h | not really unless you are willing to use MSDOS =) | 17:51 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: CP/M | 18:05 |
| RST38h | MSDOS *is* CP/M for all practical purposes | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Bad, bad Nokia programmers | 18:06 |
| RST38h | How could they screw up FBIOGET_*SCREENINFO ioctl()s??? | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | i hope youre not treating n900 as omapfb? ;) | 18:11 |
| RST38h | NO. | 18:11 |
| RST38h | I am being a good boy and innocently trying to get framebuffer parameters | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Nothing dirty | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps: screen | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | screen does serial? :p | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | specifically, screen /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever) | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I was very surprised too | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | i guess that's worth a tr | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | y | 18:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | minicom works better than screen, honestly. | 18:30 |
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| nomis | GeneralAntilles: heh, I switched to screen a while ago, because it does what I usually need, without the configuration hassle minicom forces on you... :) | 18:32 |
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| lupine_85 | we use screen with serial lines (and telnet) quite extensively | 18:36 |
| lupine_85 | it's nice :) | 18:37 |
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| mmatth | any gdb experts around? i'm having trouble getting gdb to find my source file though it's loading the debug symbols just fine | 18:41 |
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| ccooke | mmatth: I'm in no way an expert, but it's *possible* I can help | 18:43 |
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| wazd | poor Jussi, he's completely flooded with questions :) | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Thanks :) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Thank you, Stskeeps | 18:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | GTFO, qwerty12. | 18:48 |
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| crashanddie | mmatth: debugging symbols are in the executable, when you compile with -g | 18:48 |
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| crashanddie | mmatth: source file needs to be either in the include path or current directory | 18:49 |
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| mmatth | yeah, the symbols look fine. i can even set a breakpoint on class/function name and that works fine. but it can't find the source to go along with it. so when it hits the breakpoint, it doesn't show the source file. and if i try to set the breakpoint by file:line then it reports "No source file named filename.cpp" | 18:50 |
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| crashanddie | mmatth: are you in the correct directory? | 18:51 |
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| mmatth | "pwd" from inside gdb reports that it's in the directory that my file is located | 18:52 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, already got a summit roommate ? | 18:53 |
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| crashanddie | mmatth: what's the full path? | 18:54 |
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| mmatth | /home/user/devel/projects/trunk/src/filename.cpp | 18:56 |
| BluesLee | the nokia n900 price difference between us and europe is not fair, 400 vs 600 euros | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | mmatth: and your binary is? | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: do the numbers | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: once you count import duty and VAT - it's a wash | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: UK is £499 | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: at least for the UK | 18:57 |
| RST38h | what import duty? what VAT? | 18:58 |
| mmatth | crashanddie - well, this might be revealing. my code is in a shared library loaded by another application | 18:58 |
| BluesLee | SpeedEvil: why i should import a device which is produced in europe? | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Import duty is what you'd have to pay if importing a n900 from the US | 18:58 |
| gomiam | Value Added Tax | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Ah, you want the arrows ;)) | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | mmatth: so you're debugging another app, right? | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | VAT is 15 - 25%. kinda like sales tax | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | BluesLee: Because they have arranges their corporate structure such that it is more or less the same price all over the world. | 18:59 |
| gomiam | (it taxes the increase in the value of a good as it goes through the distribution chain) | 18:59 |
| BluesLee | us has 1y guarantee, europe 2y | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmatth, drop the socialism, then you, too, can have cheap consumer electronics. | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | yesterday it was 560 euros from amazon.de | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | now they raised the price | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | btw, BluesLee where did you see 400? | 19:00 |
| gomiam | BluesLee: beware, warranty might be void if the device leaves the country you bought it in. | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | 19:00 | |
| BluesLee | 588.99 US-Dollar | 19:00 |
| BluesLee | on amazon.com | 19:01 |
| mmatth | crashanddie - right | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | mmatth: so where do you load gdb from? | 19:01 |
| BluesLee | gomiam: i know, i imported a zaurus some years ago | 19:01 |
| gomiam | BluesLee: mmm... it doesn't include the bluetooth headset, right? | 19:01 |
| mmatth | just from the command line. i ran gdb then in gdb i ran the commands "file application" and then "run" | 19:02 |
| mmatth | then ctl-c so that i could set breakpoints and "continue" so that i could hit them | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | mmatth: the way GDB looks for code is as follows: say you have your source file in /usr/test/source.cpp, and you run application test from /home/user/test, gdb would look for source.cpp in /home/user/usr/test/source.cpp and then /home/user/source.cpp | 19:02 |
| ShadowJK | "Earlier this week HTC released an update to the software on its Hero handset, but T-Mobile customers who thought their handsets were equally Heroic are being left behind." <- I hope Nokia wont allow operators to cripple n900 like that :/ | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Given that you can't buy it through operators... | 19:03 |
| BluesLee | gomiam: hmmm, for 600 euros i get this one Stereo-Headset WH-205 | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: my operator will sell it, and they wont cripple it | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Which one? | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: why don't you try to buy a device in the US, and then see how much tax you'll have to pay for when it crosses the border ;) | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Put it in natures pocket. | 19:04 |
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| BluesLee | crashanddie: i am not crazy;-) | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | right, then stop moaning | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: Saunalahti :P | 19:05 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: maybe i will wait and get one from hk | 19:05 |
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| mmatth | crashanddie: but if i use the "directory" command to add the path to my file wouldn't it also search that location for filename.cpp? | 19:05 |
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| crashanddie | mmatth: only at startup of gdb, AFAIK | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: lol... | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: "yay, let's wait a year to spare $40" | 19:07 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12: is your host "be there", or "bet here" ? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | "be there" | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | nice subliminal message :D | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:08 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: it will be more than 40$ but damn ... 600 euros are a lot of money ... i think my children have to hunger for the next months | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: pasta is a great way to teach them survival skills | 19:08 |
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| BluesLee | crashanddie: hehe | 19:09 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: you told me to install the sdk? is there a kind of emulator for the device nxxx? | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | BluesLee: yeah | 19:10 |
| BluesLee | crashanddie: do you have a link, wiki... | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | ~emulator | 19:10 |
| infobot | The webOS emulator doco is at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744 | 19:10 |
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| crashanddie | wtf? | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | webos? | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | ~topics | 19:10 |
| infobot | I believe you meant 'topic'? | 19:10 |
| BluesLee | i tried the webos | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | ~topic | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | ~help topic | 19:11 |
| BluesLee | ~topic | 19:11 |
| javispedro | ~bang | 19:12 |
| infobot | BANG! | 19:12 |
| lcuk | info bot is gonna kill you guys soon | 19:13 |
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| BluesLee | i will go before this will happen, have to juggle | 19:13 |
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| Meizirkki | infobot, are you going to kill us? | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | BluesLee, there is not a full n900 emulator - there is a device emulator with limited sdk functionality. its designed to allow you to create components which will happily run on the real device | 19:13 |
| lcuk | ie it has a desktop and api compliance | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | who the hell killed infobot? | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | He doesn't know anything anymore | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | ~stupid bot | 19:14 |
| infobot | Stupid human. | 19:14 |
| lcuk | ballsack | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I would guess that a 'proper' emulator would run at maybe 10% speed on the fastest of CPUs | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: he left | 19:15 |
| lcuk | hence the balllsack | 19:15 |
| lcuk | he hadnt when i started | 19:15 |
| crashanddie | I thought that was for me, lol | 19:15 |
| crashanddie | [17:15] <crashanddie> ~stupid bot [17:15] <infobot> Stupid human. [17:15] <lcuk> ballsack | 19:15 |
| javispedro | ~ballsack | 19:15 |
| javispedro | yeap, infobot knows nothing. | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | ~lart crashanddie | 19:16 |
| * infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking crashanddie's head off | 19:16 | |
| crashanddie | ~ballsack is usually a person bread and fed in northern england | 19:16 |
| infobot | crashanddie: okay | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | infobot: you cock sucking son of a bitch | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie++ | 19:16 |
| Mousey | bread? | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | bred | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | cock | 19:16 |
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| crashanddie | ~ballsack is usually a person bred and fed in northern england | 19:16 |
| infobot | ...but ballsack is already something else... | 19:16 |
| Meizirkki | hi infobot | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | ~forget about ballsack | 19:16 |
| infobot | i didn't have anything called 'about ballsack' to forget, crashanddie | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | ~forget ballsack | 19:17 |
| infobot | crashanddie: i forgot ballsack | 19:17 |
| Mousey | ~cock is a doodle doo | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie you need ~no | 19:17 |
| infobot | ...but cock is already something else... | 19:17 |
| Mousey | oh | 19:17 |
| Meizirkki | ~botsnack | 19:17 |
| infobot | thanks, Meizirkki | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can modify a factoid. . . . | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | ~no, cock is GeneralAntilles | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | doesn't work | 19:17 |
| Mousey | lol | 19:17 |
| Meizirkki | ~say hi | 19:17 |
| infobot | hi | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drop the comma. . . . | 19:17 |
| Meizirkki | w00f | 19:17 |
| javispedro | ~shut | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | ~quit | 19:17 |
| infobot | No! You quit! | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | ~cock is also GeneralAntilles | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | ~leave #maemo | 19:18 |
| infobot | qwerty12: okay | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | ~cock | 19:18 |
| infobot | [cock] Copes alter-ego when he is feeling naughty. GeneralAntilles | 19:18 |
| Meizirkki | ~lol | 19:18 |
| infobot | somebody said lol was stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | ~forget cock | 19:18 |
| infobot | i forgot cock, crashanddie | 19:18 |
| * Meizirkki LOL | 19:18 | |
| crashanddie | that sounds so bad | 19:18 |
| Mousey | ~forget yourbirthday | 19:18 |
| infobot | Mousey: i didn't have anything called 'yourbirthday' to forget | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | ~* is 42 | 19:19 |
| infobot | ...but * is already something else... | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | ~* | 19:19 |
| infobot | somebody said * was asterisk | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, tmo trolls. | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki | ~taco is food | 19:19 |
| infobot | ...but taco is already something else... | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki | ~taco | 19:19 |
| infobot | TACO TACO TACO! | 19:19 |
| Meizirkki | w00f | 19:19 |
| javispedro | I wonder if infobot's fact database is shared along channels? :P | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | ~42 is the answer to the question: "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" | 19:20 |
| infobot | ...but 42 is already something else... | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, it is. | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | ~suck crashanddie's pussy | 19:20 |
| * infobot sucks crashanddie's pussy's neck | 19:20 | |
| crashanddie | ~42 | 19:20 |
| infobot | [42] the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | We collide with other channel's factoids pretty frequently. | 19:20 |
| Meizirkki | ~what are you talking about | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | wow | 19:20 |
| infobot | Meizirkki: what are you talking about? | 19:20 |
| javispedro | ~emulator | 19:20 |
| infobot | The webOS emulator doco is at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744 | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: how many channels is this bot on? | 19:20 |
| javispedro | ~webos | 19:20 |
| infobot | methinks webos is the linux-based operating system of the Pre and later handsets by Palm, Inc. | 19:20 |
| Meizirkki | ~maemo | 19:20 |
| infobot | i guess maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 19:20 |
| * javispedro grins evilly | 19:20 | |
| crashanddie | ~channels | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it varies, but usually #maemo and #debian at a minimum. | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | #debian? | 19:21 |
| * javispedro but decides not do his evil plan | 19:21 | |
| crashanddie | Bloody hell | 19:21 |
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| Meizirkki | ~pi | 19:21 |
| infobot | methinks pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 | 19:21 |
| Meizirkki | ~thanks | 19:21 |
| infobot | Meizirkki: bitte | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It must suck going through life being unable to type. | 19:21 |
| Meizirkki | ~2+2 | 19:22 |
| infobot | i heard 2+2 is 5 | 19:22 |
| Meizirkki | :D | 19:22 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmmmmm pi | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | ~forget 2+2 | 19:22 |
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| crashanddie | ~wiki | 19:23 |
| javispedro | ~android | 19:23 |
| infobot | methinks android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible | 19:23 |
| javispedro | lmao. | 19:23 |
| dottedmag | ~maemo | 19:23 |
| infobot | methinks maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | that's old | 19:23 |
| lcuk | cant we change that to be proper meaning of android | 19:23 |
| dottedmag | Nothing about "not really open" | 19:23 |
| lcuk | this googlism is such a hijacking | 19:23 |
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| bilboed-pi | oh man... that android description is 100% accurate :) | 19:24 |
| Meizirkki | ~4*pi*(27/2)^2 | 19:25 |
| infobot | 171 | 19:25 |
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| * javispedro wonders if changing the ~emulator link to point to a tinyurl link pointing to a porn page is good etiquette | 19:25 | |
| qwerty12 | No, but it makes for a good day | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | ~4*pi*(27/2)^3/3 | 19:26 |
| infobot | 168 | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | ~4*pi*(27/2)^3 | 19:26 |
| infobot | 170 | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | 170/3 | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | ~170/3 | 19:26 |
| infobot | 56.666666666667 | 19:26 |
| lcuk | javispedro, changing it to point at your emu page wouldnt be such a bad move.. | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | ~thanks | 19:26 |
| infobot | Meizirkki: de rien | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | "the single best emulator for any platform ever" and leave your link | 19:27 |
| lcuk | people will either be outraged of impressed :D | 19:27 |
| lcuk | or | 19:27 |
| Meizirkki | infobot sucks at math calculations .. | 19:27 |
| javispedro | lcuk: but porn would be more funny :) I can imagine someone changing the "~flashing" page to that flash page inducing epilepsy | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | that i agree with | 19:28 |
| lcuk | but mucking with the emu page effects you | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | ~(1+i)^(1/5) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | ~1/0 | 19:29 |
| nomis | crashanddie: apparently infobot interprets "^" as XOR. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | ~sqrt(-1) | 19:29 |
| infobot | i | 19:29 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | hes not that bad | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ~1.0/0.0 | 19:29 |
| javispedro | he needs better error reporting abilities tho. | 19:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Changing all links to the tubgirl usually works better than inducing epilepsy | 19:30 |
| lcuk | nah, you just divided by zero, infobot is gonna vanish into a blackhole | 19:30 |
| Meizirkki | 4*pi*(27/2)^3 is 30917,9841003039501563301 | 19:30 |
| Meizirkki | infobot saidf 168 O_O | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | ~pi | 19:30 |
| infobot | methinks pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | ~pi/2 | 19:30 |
| infobot | 1.570796325 | 19:30 |
| Meizirkki | ~what is pi | 19:30 |
| infobot | i guess pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | ~pi/1 | 19:31 |
| infobot | 3.14159265 | 19:31 |
| Meizirkki | ~who are you | 19:31 |
| javispedro | ~(3+4)/5 | 19:31 |
| infobot | Meizirkki: what are you talking about? | 19:31 |
| infobot | 1.4 | 19:31 |
| javispedro | ~3+4/5 | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | infobot: libbeastiality is a library to download animal porn, developed by Valério Valério | 19:31 |
| infobot | 3.8 | 19:31 |
| infobot | okay, qwerty12 | 19:31 |
| javispedro | ~3+(4/5) | 19:31 |
| infobot | 3.8 | 19:31 |
| nomis | nombot: calc 3**5 | 19:32 |
| nombot | nomis: 243 | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ~scale= | 19:32 |
| Meizirkki | ~calculator | 19:32 |
| javispedro | infobot: how about a nice game of chess? | 19:32 |
| infobot | Simple Command Line Calculator. URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~joelgg/calc.html | 19:32 |
| Meizirkki | ~use it | 19:32 |
| javispedro | ~global thermonuclear war | 19:32 |
| infobot | how about a nice game of chess? | 19:32 |
| nomis | nombot has a subset of python as math capabilities :) | 19:32 |
| nomis | nombot: a = 5 | 19:32 |
| nomis | nombot: calc a = 5 | 19:32 |
| nombot | nomis: Ok! | 19:32 |
| javispedro | infobot: no, I want to play global thermonuclear war. | 19:32 |
| nomis | nombot: calc 4 + a | 19:33 |
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| nombot | nomis: 9 | 19:33 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 19:33 |
| javispedro | ~nombot: calc 1/0 | 19:33 |
| javispedro | nombot: calc 1/0 | 19:33 |
| javispedro | :P | 19:33 |
| nombot | javispedro: ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | Hello, lardman. Finally... | 19:33 |
| nomis | nombot: calc (10**10)**10 | 19:33 |
| nombot | nomis: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 | 19:33 |
| javispedro | yes, some sanity :) | 19:33 |
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| lardman | hey qwerty12, sorry | 19:33 |
| VDVsx | ~kill qwerty12 | 19:33 |
| * infobot shoots a ionized fluxneutrino gun at qwerty12 | 19:33 | |
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| Meizirkki | ~say hello to nombot | 19:33 |
| infobot | hello to nombot | 19:33 |
| lardman | don't go to Blackpool | 19:34 |
| nomis | nombot: calc (100**100)**100 | 19:34 |
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| javispedro | ~say ~say ~say 1 | 19:34 |
| infobot | ~say ~say 1 | 19:34 |
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| nomis | oops :) | 19:34 |
| Meizirkki | nombot: hi | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | nombot: you suck cock | 19:34 |
| * nomis actually did not expect nombot to complete this calculation :) | 19:34 | |
| javispedro | nombot: help | 19:35 |
| Meizirkki | ~seen nombot | 19:35 |
| infobot | nombot is currently on #maemo (52s), last said: 'nomis: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000'. | 19:35 |
| nomis | nombot: 1000**1000**1000 | 19:35 |
| Gadgetoid | om nom nom nom | 19:35 |
| nomis | nombot: calc 1000**1000**1000 | 19:35 |
| nombot | nomis: RuntimeError: calculation took too long | 19:35 |
| javispedro | nombot: calc first 125 digit prime number | 19:35 |
| nombot | javispedro: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) | 19:35 |
| Meizirkki | nombot: calc 4*pi*(27/2)^3/3 | 19:35 |
| nombot | Meizirkki: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'float' and 'int' | 19:35 |
| javispedro | nombot: calc import sys | 19:35 |
| Meizirkki | :( | 19:35 |
| nombot | javispedro: ImportError: __import__ not found | 19:35 |
| javispedro | :P | 19:36 |
| Meizirkki | nombot: calc 2+2 | 19:36 |
| nombot | Meizirkki: 4 | 19:36 |
| nomis | nombot: calc 4*pi*(27/2)**3/3 | 19:36 |
| nombot | nomis: 9202.77207992 | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid | nombot: calc 1/0 | 19:36 |
| nombot | Gadgetoid: ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | nombot: calc send me all your owners posessions next-day-air | 19:36 |
| nombot | SpeedEvil: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | ~say nombot: calc 2+2 | 19:36 |
| infobot | nombot: calc 2+2 | 19:36 |
| nombot | infobot: 4 | 19:36 |
| infobot | 4 is a number, silly | 19:36 |
| javispedro | rofl. | 19:36 |
| Gadgetoid | nombot: calc 1/0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 | 19:36 |
| nombot | Gadgetoid: 1e+45 | 19:36 |
| nomis | heh :) | 19:36 |
| arpia49 | hello everybody, does anyone know how a valid sftp uri should be? i can't write using gnome_vfs via sftp | 19:37 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: calc 1-3 | 19:37 |
| infobot | nombot: calc 1-3 | 19:37 |
| nombot | infobot: -2 | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | ~libbeastiality | 19:37 |
| infobot | hmm... libbeastiality is a library to download animal porn, developed by Valério Valério | 19:37 |
| * javispedro sees time and flees | 19:37 | |
| javispedro | see you! | 19:37 |
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| nomis | ~say nombot calc "~" + "libbeastiality" | 19:38 |
| infobot | nombot calc "~" + "libbeastiality" | 19:38 |
| nomis | ~say nombot: calc "~" + "libbeastiality" | 19:38 |
| infobot | nombot: calc "~" + "libbeastiality" | 19:38 |
| nombot | infobot: ~libbeastiality | 19:38 |
| nomis | ah, dang :) | 19:38 |
| Meizirkki | nombot: say something | 19:39 |
| nombot | something | 19:39 |
| Gadgetoid | nombot calc 0.000000001*0.000000001*0.00000001*0.0000001*0.000001*0.000001 | 19:39 |
| VDVsx | infobot, curse badly qwerty12 | 19:39 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, badly qwerty12 ! | 19:39 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: ~say nombot | 19:39 |
| infobot | nombot: ~say nombot | 19:39 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: say nombot | 19:40 |
| infobot | nombot: say nombot | 19:40 |
| nombot | nombot | 19:40 |
| tlax | mmmkay | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid | *shudder* | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid | nombot: say /nick iamdumb | 19:40 |
| nombot | /nick iamdumb | 19:40 |
| Gadgetoid | Darn flammit | 19:40 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say | 19:40 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say | 19:40 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say | 19:40 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say | 19:40 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say | 19:40 |
| infobot | nombot: say | 19:40 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say hi! | 19:41 |
| nombot | hi! | 19:41 |
| wazd | ~say nombot: say nombot: say ~say nombot | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say nombot: say ~say nombot | 19:41 |
| nombot | nombot: say ~say nombot | 19:41 |
| Meizirkki | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| nombot | ~say nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| infobot | nombot: say HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| nombot | HELLO!!!3 | 19:41 |
| * Meizirkki stops spamming | 19:41 | |
| * nomis will stop nombot as soon as it annoys anyone :) | 19:41 | |
| wazd | jeez :) | 19:41 |
| Mousey | lolbot | 19:41 |
| nomis | eeek! | 19:41 |
| nombot | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! | 19:41 |
| nomis | nombot: hvæs | 19:42 |
| nombot | 444444444444444444444444444444444444444444dfcX666666666666666666666666666666666666666qwert123ÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃ56Å¡“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““qwert1230000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 | 19:42 |
| nomis | heh, that stuff still works :) | 19:42 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL | 19:42 |
| Mikho | that's it | 19:42 |
| Meizirkki | O_O | 19:42 |
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| wazd | I think he's out t pick up the shotgun :D | 19:42 |
| wazd | infobot: are you SkyNet? | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | ~kill nombot | 19:43 |
| Gadgetoid | nombot say ∕nick blah | 19:43 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoelectron gun at nombot | 19:43 | |
| Meizirkki | nombot: say `uname -r` | 19:43 |
| nombot | `uname -r` | 19:43 |
| nomis | hvaes was a cat in #gimp that at some time walked across the danish laptop keyboard of someone. | 19:43 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmmm | 19:43 |
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| Gadgetoid | nombot: say ⁄nick blah | 19:43 |
| nombot | ⁄nick blah | 19:43 |
| wazd | nombot: say ~lart infobot | 19:44 |
| Gadgetoid | Damn! | 19:44 |
| nombot | ~lart infobot | 19:44 |
| * infobot overclocks nombot until nombot burns out | 19:44 | |
| qwerty12 | /topic channel to test your bots | 19:44 |
| nomis | nombot: die | 19:44 |
| nombot | Yeth, marthter! | 19:44 |
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| Meizirkki | nombot: say /topic channel to test your bots | 19:44 |
| wazd | Meizirkki: too late, he's dead :( | 19:45 |
| Meizirkki | no! | 19:45 |
| Meizirkki | :´( | 19:45 |
| Meizirkki | nombot: resurrect #maemo | 19:47 |
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| Meizirkki | O_O | 19:47 |
| *** Dar is now known as Dar_AFK | 19:48 | |
| * nombot is psychic | 19:48 | |
| Meizirkki | nombot: become immortal | 19:48 |
| * nombot refuses | 19:49 | |
| *** Meizirkki is now known as nombot_clone | 19:49 | |
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| nombot_clone | nombot: hi! | 19:50 |
| *** nombot_clone is now known as Meizirkki | 19:50 | |
| * Meizirkki stops playing until homework is done | 19:50 | |
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| dark | Hi i had a problem with transmission | 19:52 |
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| nombot | uh, power going down... | 19:53 |
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| dark | I cant download torrent into my maoemo | 19:53 |
| wazd | Mao wasn't Emo I think :) | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a lot of dead bodies for somebody who wasn't at least a little depressed. :P | 19:56 |
| dark | Who knows | 19:57 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, Emos kills themselves when depressed :) | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Got any other URLs for your design samples? | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | lardman, get back down south you jessie! | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | but i agree, blackpool has seen better days | 20:10 |
| lcuk | hopefully they will regenerate it into the resort people remember it for :) | 20:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: I am now in the South, thank God | 20:11 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | lardman knows. | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | its been turned into a beer swilling place | 20:11 |
| lcuk | they even wrecked the pleasure beach | 20:12 |
| * lcuk has many fond memories of blackpool ) | 20:12 | |
| lcuk | :) | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | "Fond" and "Blackpool" do not go together | 20:12 |
| thp | X-Fade: ping | 20:13 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12: I was more thinking along the lines of "lcuk", "having" and "memories" can't end up in the same sentence | 20:14 |
| lcuk | who are you? | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | He's your pimp, and you're his bitch | 20:15 |
| crashanddie | don't use words you don't know the meaning of | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: Silence, bitch | 20:15 |
| lcuk | as a london rentboy, im sure he knows the meaning of them lol | 20:15 |
| lardman | I was up till 3 last night, 2 the night before | 20:15 |
| lcuk | yikes simon! | 20:15 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: let me guess, 1 the night before? | 20:16 |
| lardman | spent ~£80 on beer in the past 3 days, not to mention the free wine | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | well, you didn't spend money on free wine, did you? | 20:16 |
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| crashanddie | Or else, I'd say you got ripped off | 20:16 |
| lardman | crashanddie: nah, was 2 the first night too | 20:16 |
| lardman | no, the free wine was free | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | good | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | so why did you mention it? | 20:16 |
| lardman | note to self, don't start drinking the white when the red runs out | 20:17 |
| lardman | all as a preamble to my saying that I'm going to wander off as I can't really be bothered to type as I'm so tired | 20:17 |
| lardman | all this networking is tiring stuff :) | 20:17 |
| lardman | bbl | 20:17 |
| crashanddie | so you're too tired to type, but you're not too tired to walk? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | He's tired of talking to you, get the hint | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | I don't bore | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | I rejuvinate | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | My own experience doesn't seem to agree with that claiim. | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: did your macpro arrive yet? | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Called and the fuckers say my G5 just arrived at Apple and it'll be another 7-10 days until they get a Mac Pro back at the store. | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The guy said I'd have to pick it up which doesn't agree with them telling me they'd ship it to me when I dropped my G5 off. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | My restored goodwill for Apple is slowly seeping away. | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Use an iPhone and watch it all drain in an instant | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/base.png - opinions? (i know text isn't aligned properly) | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The karma whore in me hates it when people thank you for a post but don't actually Thank! you. | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: the text isn't alligned proper | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | s/per/perly/ | 20:24 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Stskeeps: the text isn't alligned properly | 20:24 |
| aSIMULAter | Stskeeps: why do you have the task launcher button on the right? | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | To add insult to injury, qwerty12 thanks qole's post | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: ah, it's just a base layout test - this is not how it would look :) | 20:25 |
| aSIMULAter | ok :) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: just the see-through bar and the background, buttons on top | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's one ugly font. | 20:26 |
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| aSIMULAter | SystemFont pls :P | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: would love to use Nokia Sans but it's not public :P | 20:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: the Chinese are good at copying the Nokia logo, ask them for a quote | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | +cloners | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | (generalising: not good...) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | nokla ftw | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | lol qwerty12 | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | the problem is, when you have a country with 1.4bn people | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | will it ever be possible to generalise/ | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | ? | 20:31 |
| aSIMULAter | nokla connecting peopre | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, perhaps we can get special dispensation for Nokia devices? :P | 20:32 |
| lardman | hmm, caffeine, amazing effect on the body | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman's heart is going explode. | 20:33 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, closs in the center is definitely bad idea | 20:35 |
| lardman | no, will be ok, Holly has told me we'll drink some champagne later | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ignore placement, it's just to see how icons and such look :P | 20:35 |
| lardman | not sure that will help with the 3 day hangover or not | 20:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: icons look fine :) | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: background and opacity of background? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, bar | 20:40 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I'd make the font color white | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: hmm, good point | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: with http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/themecheck.png it looks a bit odd doesn't it? | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | (one case where opacity might be a bad idea) | 20:47 |
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| * GeneralAntilles mutters evil things about Apple. | 20:50 | |
| Pavlov | apple loves you | 20:50 |
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| lardman | Do we have anything like this in the offing for the new device? http://www.seqpoint.com/beta-labs/69 | 20:51 |
| nomis | is there a compass in the n900? | 20:54 |
| RST38h | lardman: need a compass | 20:54 |
| RST38h | no compass, no candy | 20:54 |
| lardman | ah, true | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Still, you may kinda fake compass with inertial sensor | 20:55 |
| nomis | uh? | 20:56 |
| RST38h | lardman: i.e. ask the user to face in known direction for a second, calibrate, then keep track of rotation | 20:56 |
| nomis | RST38h: but you cannot track rotation with an acceleration sensor. | 20:56 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, even with many accelerators you can't keep track of yaw | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | for more than a few seconds with any sort of accuracy anyway | 20:57 |
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| nomis | RST38h: you need gyroscopic sensors for that. | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | theoretically if you had accelerometers at all ends of the device, you could detect the difference in acceleration when device is rotated, and calculate rotation from that... but you'd need super-accurate accelerometers for that... at which point it'd be cheaper with gyros or compass :) | 20:59 |
| pupnik | i think they left out the gyros so we don't make missiles with them | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | nomis,ShadowJK: actually, you can try computing rotation from the other axis, as long as the subject is guaranteed to stay put | 21:01 |
| lardman | hmm, well is still cool | 21:01 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You mean, the fuel tanks are in there? | 21:02 |
| lardman | might be worth the addition of a BT compass, if such a thing exists | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | Heh, Murtazin went to .KR and now says Samsung will beat Nokia | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Everywhere including the tablet phones (or whatever we are supposed to call the n900) | 21:03 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: He's also full of shit... He's comparing a pre-production device to one that will come out in 2011 | 21:03 |
| qwerty12 | Retard | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | Accelerometers can't detect rotation around the axis going straight up... amusingly Apollo had one gyro too little and couldn't point in a certain direction or it'd completely lose track of where it was pointing :) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Hehehe | 21:03 |
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| * RST38h knew that would piss off people =) | 21:03 | |
| pupnik | i think Eldar's samsung prehype is pretty retarded | 21:04 |
| RST38h | qwerty12: When Samsung releases a real, extendable smartphone, I may agree with Eldar | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Before that happens, I do not care what they are basing their feature phone on. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Heh, even Quim got offended a little bit. | 21:05 |
| rektide | maemo only is designed for and only supports one output display, correct ? | 21:07 |
| RST38h | yes, the mobile device usually has only one display buffer :) | 21:07 |
| rektide | does anyone have knowledge of maemo ever being used in a multi-monitor fashion ? | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | not on the actual devices | 21:08 |
| rektide | but, hypothetically, beagle or some such? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | rektide: clone or multimonitor | 21:08 |
| rektide | i ask because omap4 has HDMI out | 21:08 |
| rektide | i'm really only interested in multi-monitor | 21:08 |
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| rektide | well, as the only mobile platform around that can capitalize on Linux's success | 21:09 |
| rektide | i hope at some point in the not too distant future, multi-mon comes under consideration | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | rektide: next step is Qt, so there's a big unknown | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | no idea if maemo5 supports it | 21:10 |
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| pupnik | less talk about devices 2-3 years away, unless you're working on them | 21:10 |
| RST38h | OMAP video output is a copy of the display buffer | 21:10 |
| RST38h | As far as I know, OMAP *does not* support separate buffers for lcd display and video out | 21:11 |
| lardman | what does a pgp key look like? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | lardman: Block of text | 21:12 |
| RST38h | like a MIME block more or less | 21:12 |
| lardman | I've generated one using the Ubuntu gui jobbie, but not sure how to obtain the key itself | 21:12 |
| RST38h | ladman: gpg -a --generate | 21:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: gpg --export -a | 21:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: and dump output into a file | 21:12 |
| RST38h | lardman: You want 1024-bit DSA+ElGamal | 21:13 |
| lardman | ah cool | 21:13 |
| lardman | yeah I selected that one | 21:13 |
| lardman | so where is my private key then? | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | in the ether =) | 21:13 |
| lardman | of does pgp hide that away from me and use it itself when decrypting, etc.? | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | lardman: no, you still have it in ~/.gnupg or ~/.gpg | 21:14 |
| lardman | ok cool, thanks | 21:14 |
| RST38h | A Nova Scotia farmer is opposing the construction of a microwave tower for fear it will eventually mutate his organic garlic crop. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | mutant garlic! | 21:15 |
| RST38h | ok, gotta go | 21:15 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 21:19 |
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| luke-jr | no u | 21:23 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: Mer coming to archos 5it? | 21:23 |
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| Stskeeps | johnsq: hmm? | 21:26 |
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| johnsq | Stskeeps: n900 without camera and mobil and cheap | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Archos | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck. | 21:27 |
| Proteous_ | hater | 21:28 |
| johnsq | GeneralAntilles: I found them always ugly, never tried one | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnsq: if its hackable, which i doubt it is | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Honestly, if there's one company that treats your ass like an ATM, it's Archos | 21:29 |
| Corsac | can someone change the date to october? | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | didn't the N900 have 256 MB RAM? | 21:30 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: its linux with android and same chipset | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | Archos only has 128 MB | 21:30 |
| Proteous_ | heh | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnsq: yeah, but archos devices are known to be very uhm, .. closed | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: if they violate Linux copyrights, report them? | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | they seem to on their website | 21:31 |
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| luke-jr | they have a download for firmware, but no mention of GPL | 21:31 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: when i go to download i get firmware and below gnu public license | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: ? | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | I see no mention of it period. | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you'd have a field day on archos | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | on the specs.html page? | 21:34 |
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| johnsq | luke-jr: no click support&account -> Downloads | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | evening qgil | 21:35 |
| qgil | hi there | 21:35 |
| qgil | I was looking for VDVsx :) | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: ok. do they include that with the product itself? | 21:35 |
| Pavlov | /win 31 | 21:35 |
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| tuukkah | lcuk, lbt, anyone else who followed the earlier conversation here, i'm sorry. actually, the more pythonic and concise signal syntax is not obsolete, it's *new* in qt4.5 and not implemented in pyside yet | 21:36 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: I don't know, I have only read the annoucement and the price. | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: where do you see the chipset info? | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid | Ahh feeling the Archos love | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid | I single handedly shot down the Archos TV+ and made sure they never tried again | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | aha, Wikipedia has it | 21:37 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: have you looked in the pdf sheet? | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid | I'm proud of that fact :) | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | no | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid | Actually, I'm guessing the fact that the product sucked balls probably had more to do with it than me stating that it sucks balls | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: what do you think of the new Zaurus? | 21:38 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: I don't like that it included a keyboard. | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | Zaurus always include keyboards... | 21:39 |
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| Gadgetoid | Sheesh, I wish I had a classic Zaurus *sigh* | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid | I totally missed that boat | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | Gadgetoid: 64 MB RAM doesn't cut it :( | 21:40 |
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| Gadgetoid | True, luke-jr, but I've enjoyed worse - the Sharp ZQ770 for starters | 21:40 |
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| johnsq | luke-jr: I don't need a device with keyboard (which is not standard). | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: keyboardless devices are useless | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | heck, even my wireless mouse has a keyboard | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid | Yeah, how are you supposed to type linux and shit without a keyboard! | 21:41 |
| Gadgetoid | > Do linux > Doing Linux > Linux done | 21:41 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: I need only 10 keys... | 21:41 |
| johnsq | Gadgetoid: http://www.goron.de/~johns/one-hand/ latest version you can type with the touchpad. | 21:42 |
| Gadgetoid | 10 keys, all you need to type: "child porn" | 21:42 |
| Gadgetoid | I don't know why I find that hilarious, I need therapy | 21:42 |
| Gadgetoid | Four U keys? The only thing you're going to be able to type is SUUUUUUUUUUU01234567890#* | 21:43 |
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| * luke-jr ponders what other devices might come out with i.MX515 | 21:45 | |
| Gadgetoid | I don't think I could master an 11 key board | 21:45 |
| lcuk | tuukkah, dont apologise im glad you followed up with it. hope you manage to get what you need | 21:46 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: or wait for omap4 devices | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: why? | 21:46 |
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| luke-jr | I have absolutely no attachment to TI | 21:46 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: why not? dual core >1ghz is better than my desktop pc | 21:46 |
| lcuk | johnsq, as a left hander i find your keyboard offensive and will continue to use the touchpad on the left hand side of my cherry input device | 21:47 |
| Gadgetoid | The Netwalker looks really quite nice until you land on the screen, and it's a pokey little affair in a bezel so thick it looks like it came from a speak-n-spell | 21:47 |
| lcuk | speak n spell is cool again! | 21:47 |
| Gadgetoid | Only if you're into circuit bending... | 21:48 |
| lcuk | http://www.psfk.com/2009/09/hacking-80s-gadgets-with-the-nokia-n900-push-n900-london-launch.html/optimized-021 | 21:48 |
| lcuk | bi]# | 21:48 |
| lcuk | no even | 21:48 |
| johnsq | lcuk: I'm also left hander you can use it with right hand also. but i prefer using keyboard with the good hand | 21:48 |
| lcuk | thats got an n900 in it! | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: i.MX515 is marketted as 5-core | 21:48 |
| lcuk | and it sends text messages | 21:48 |
| lcuk | and speaks :D | 21:48 |
| Gadgetoid | Haha lcuk | 21:49 |
| lcuk | uses an arduino hardware mod with bluetooth interface and is one of the coolest hardware hacks ive ever seen :D | 21:49 |
| Gadgetoid | I don't know how I'm going to avoid buying an N900 | 21:49 |
| lcuk | the other cool hacks were on an equally amazing level | 21:49 |
| lcuk | the n900 rocks! | 21:49 |
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| dark | Who had n 900 | 21:55 |
| lupine_85 | me soon! | 21:57 |
| lupine_85 | who's getting themselves one for christmas? :) | 21:57 |
| * luke-jr ponders building a i.MX515 wearable | 21:59 | |
| gunni | <--- will be my first mobile :) Never needed one, but thats exactly the one i must have | 21:59 |
| * till- will buy run right after christmas | 22:00 | |
| johnsq | luke-jr: I see only one core | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: apparently they are counting the co-processors like 3D etc | 22:01 |
| lcuk | they should | 22:05 |
| lcuk | they are cores | 22:05 |
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| ShadowJK | N810 has 4 cores! | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | arm, vfp, dsp, gpu ;) | 22:08 |
| johnsq | ShadowJK: wifi is also a cpu | 22:08 |
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| slonopotamus | and bt, i think :) | 22:09 |
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| keesj | and the 3G probably aslo a few and sometimes the gps | 22:10 |
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| vladovg | hi | 22:13 |
| vladovg | is thear a bluejack or somting similar for the diablo | 22:14 |
| Gadgetoid | bluejack! | 22:15 |
| Gadgetoid | Does that still exist? do people still DO that? | 22:15 |
| vladovg | yes | 22:15 |
| Gadgetoid | Bluejacking is like, sooo totally over dude! | 22:15 |
| vladovg | haha | 22:15 |
| vladovg | ok | 22:15 |
| lbt | you phreak | 22:15 |
| Gadgetoid | It's all midgetjacking these days | 22:15 |
| vladovg | haha | 22:16 |
| vladovg | and after all did exsist | 22:16 |
| Gadgetoid | yeah I like so totally told stacy that i bluejacked this guy and sent smileys to his phone, and she was like "grrrl that's so totally over!!!" | 22:16 |
| Gadgetoid | And I was like "whaat? no way" and she was like "yeah way! yo got to get him on facebook!" | 22:17 |
| vladovg | its dear a soft or not | 22:17 |
| vladovg | :) | 22:17 |
| Gadgetoid | Aircrack is where it's all at, hax peoples wifi and print messages to their printers | 22:18 |
| Gadgetoid | Oh and use the tcp/ip stack bug in Windows Vista/7 to BSOD their machines | 22:18 |
| vladovg | ay have aircrack | 22:18 |
| vladovg | need a bluejack | 22:18 |
| Gadgetoid | Woo, TomTom has almost finished downloading to my iPhone | 22:19 |
| vladovg | ok | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /ban Gadgetoid*!@* We do not talk of iPhones | 22:20 |
| vladovg | mhm | 22:20 |
| Gadgetoid | The iPhone suckered me in, with its shiny oblong | 22:20 |
| vladovg | spesali yors | 22:20 |
| vladovg | :) | 22:20 |
| Gadgetoid | And now I resent not being free of contract for an N900 | 22:20 |
| Gadgetoid | So I've got to watch my other half get one and spit in my eye | 22:21 |
| lardman | re | 22:21 |
| vladovg | did some one have anser of my qeston | 22:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Also I resent the N900 being a phone | 22:21 |
| lardman | champagne does the trick, I recommend it as a hangover cure | 22:21 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 that wasnt a joke | 22:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: indeed :p | 22:21 |
| lcuk | the onedotzero apps profanity filter wouldnt let you insult iphone | 22:21 |
| lcuk | thankfully i made a patch :D | 22:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Yeah well, you know what I think of the whole filter itself | 22:22 |
| Gadgetoid | WTF, music industry groups want more money from iTunes | 22:22 |
| lcuk | lol ive seen vdvsxs insult | 22:22 |
| lcuk | they want blood | 22:22 |
| lcuk | they would like the iphone to actually connect to a vein | 22:22 |
| vladovg | ok | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I want him to put that video on YouTube | 22:23 |
| vladovg | bye | 22:23 |
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| Gadgetoid | I could probably unlock my iPhone and use the proceeds of its sale to buy out my contract | 22:23 |
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| Gadgetoid | When I went from TyTN2 to iPhone I just ebayed my phone and gave the SIM away to a family member | 22:24 |
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| slonopotamus | Gadgetoid, wince, iphone? you're a lost soul | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid | Nah slonopotamus, I'm a wondering soul | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid | Although I did hang around wince long enough to know why they call it wince | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid | Sheesh, modern winblows phones don't run any faster than my greyscale Compaq Aero 1520 | 22:30 |
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| Proteous_ | I always laugh at the people who take thier stylish slim iphone and put it in a huge ugly plastic case | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid | Proteous_: you'd love me, I've got an Otterbox Defender | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid | And about 30 other iPhone cases | 22:31 |
| Proteous_ | heh | 22:31 |
| pupnik_ | How do i find the actual sum of filesizes on a linux filesystem? Not the disk space used? | 22:31 |
| pupnik_ | I want to find out how much wasted space i have due to large blocks/clusters whatever | 22:31 |
| pupnik_ | argh i knew this | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous_, it implodes if you don't put it in a case. | 22:31 |
| Gadgetoid | Got ma Griffin Clarifi on at the moment | 22:32 |
| Gadgetoid | Makes photos slightly less shit | 22:32 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm, looks like it'll set me back about £150 to buy out of contract | 22:32 |
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| fnordianslip | pupnik_: try "du -hs /", perhaps with a sudo, so it includes files the user can't read | 22:51 |
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| VDVsx | qgil, ping | 23:01 |
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| carloscesa | hi folks, I'm facing a problem with my N810 and maybe you can help me. | 23:07 |
| * VDVsx goes watch the 2nd half of the football match, back in 45min ;) | 23:07 | |
| Gadgetoid | What's the problemo? | 23:07 |
| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, well, just a few seconds after initialization the device turn off. After some debugging, I got the following errors: | 23:08 |
| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, [ 36.921875] JFFS2 notice: (1200) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0b651edc: read 0x25e088e1, calculated 0x76861b05. | 23:09 |
| Gadgetoid | Tried reflashing it? | 23:09 |
| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, [ 40.578125] JFFS2 warning: (1293) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -965 | 23:09 |
| lcuk | carloscesa, how did you debug if it turns off? | 23:09 |
| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, Yes, I tried reflash the whole FIASCO | 23:09 |
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| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, it looks like the flash has several bad blocks | 23:10 |
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| Gadgetoid | Failness :( | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | carloscesa, :( if thats your prognosis im not sure what can be done | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | you already know more than most of us could know what to do | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | i suggest you possibly contact nokia for warranty repair, or post on the maemo -developers list and see if anyone knows | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It should - I thought - cope with a fraction of CRC errors naturally - unless they are in the first block | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps it's got into a state where it can't cope with one more error, and a reformat might work | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | mkjffs or whatever it is | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (it = jffs) | 23:17 |
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| carloscesa | Gadgetoid, lcuk , SpeedEvil thanks guys | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | NAND flash has a certain fraction of bad blocks specced. | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | A new 64M device may start out with 66M real blocks | 23:20 |
| Gadgetoid | Sorry I couldn't actually be useful :D | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It is specced that the first block will be OK for up to 1000 writes, with no errors. | 23:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | And that the capacity after 100000 or a million writes of every block on the device will be 64M | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | >=64m | 23:21 |
| Gadgetoid | Smeggy smeg smeg, PS3 not seeing MediaLink, boohoo | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 64M blocks without too many errors | 23:22 |
| qgil | VDVsx: I was offering help with the Summit submissions but now it's too late in Helsinki and I'm basically going to landscape mode | 23:22 |
| qgil | good night! | 23:24 |
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| keesj | hi | 23:25 |
| lcuk | good evening keesj of the grey council \o | 23:26 |
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| keesj | it's been my longest day in the council yet | 23:26 |
| lcuk | yikes! | 23:27 |
| keesj | good morning early bird of the next generation | 23:27 |
| lcuk | ive had a long few weeks too | 23:27 |
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| keesj | playing and hacking around, that's fun | 23:27 |
| lcuk | ahh but i wasnt doing either | 23:27 |
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| GAN800 | keesj, a year was a mistake. ;) | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, thats only cos you were holding the cattleprod at the wrong end ;) | 23:29 |
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| daniel32708 | guys, is there a spec sheet (pdf) for the n810? ive been loking for one and cant find | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | daniel32708, im sure there is somewhere | 23:31 |
| lcuk | but i do not know where | 23:31 |
| daniel32708 | its hidden in some usb in some office in noki | 23:31 |
| daniel32708 | anokia | 23:31 |
| * keesj is mainly thinkin about a good push n900 idea and looking forward to some serious case-modding | 23:33 | |
| lcuk | keesj, we put a suggestion in from liqbase yesterday | 23:33 |
| * lcuk based it on stuff tested at onedotzero | 23:34 | |
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| lardman | hmm, am still on the maemo.org front page, good good | 23:34 |
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| keesj | I want to create a case with extra buttons (game console) and put pupnik's emulators on there | 23:34 |
| lcuk | lol lardman | 23:34 |
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| lardman | :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | and javispedros! | 23:34 |
| lcuk | keesj, proper old school console case would be cool | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: It's there to show its longest registered member respect ;) | 23:35 |
| lardman | :) | 23:35 |
| keesj | lardman: how did that happen and do you get karma for it? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | would it be wise though for recognisable computerised games consoles to be on display in store? | 23:35 |
| lardman | keesj: no idea, been like that for months | 23:35 |
| lcuk | its there to push you to make a radio app :P | 23:35 |
| lardman | oh yes, I remember that now | 23:36 |
| lcuk | lardman, speaking of which, the push presentation had a radio transmit idea | 23:36 |
| keesj | let's start comparing garage user ids :P | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's part of his council re-election campaign | 23:36 |
| lardman | hmm | 23:36 |
| carloscesa | SpeedEvil, sorry I'm back. Well, I'm aware of this number of writes on mem.. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | you texted a musicians name in and it would do a last.fm search and then transmit to old style radio | 23:36 |
| keesj | I guess that all pretty faces where banned from the front page because they where to distracting | 23:37 |
| lcuk | keesj, i dont think he gets karma for it, but being recognised in the street by nokia groupies has its benefits for him | 23:37 |
| Gadgetoid | There we go, iPhone fully unlocked and given to my partner, and I've put my SIM in a Sonim XP3 | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | carloscesa: The above was based on general knowledge - I've no idea exactly how this'd work when flashing the device. | 23:37 |
| lardman | :p | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i bet the "ladies" in blackpool loved having a celeb around | 23:38 |
| keesj | does he have nokia groupies? | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | keesj: rofl | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i use that term loosely because its hard to tell them apart behind the mustaches | 23:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: the ladies in Blackpool were born before the invention of the wheel | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: But they have dentures, your favourite! | 23:38 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:38 |
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| lardman | is there any Python camera code for Fremantle? | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | camera is quite advanced on n900! i know gstreamer has lots of new options | 23:39 |
| carloscesa | SpeedEvil, There must be an solution for this. Booting from external mmc or usb-nfs could be workaround to use device.. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i didnt manage to get a working camera until a few days ago tho either | 23:40 |
| lcuk | lardman, i think in the new range of maemo-examples there is cam code | 23:40 |
| * lcuk tries to check | 23:40 | |
| lardman | yeah I saw it, but in C iirc | 23:41 |
| keesj | lcuk: what kind of proposal did you do (if you care to share) | 23:41 |
| lardman | where do I file bugs against the dev docs? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | a big long one | 23:41 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Websites: "Note: Developer documentation bugs should be filed under Development platform!" | 23:42 |
| lcuk | its a word doc, so not online atm | 23:42 |
| lardman | where is that then? | 23:42 |
| lardman | proposal? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | nokia push n900 | 23:42 |
| lardman | what's that? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | i wanted to do it as part of the summit too | 23:42 |
| lcuk | marketing campaign to create an installation to go in nokia stores early next year | 23:43 |
| lcuk | submit a proposal and get backing to make it if selected | 23:43 |
| lardman | ah, cool | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, gerbick. | 23:43 |
| lardman | is this the right url? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/maemo-examples/ | 23:44 |
| lardman | I don't see camera code there | 23:44 |
| keesj | lardman: http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/ | 23:44 |
| lcuk | lardman, i was gonna ask you about one aspect of it too - but you were afk. your existing work will still be strongly needed for one aspect and will be credited accordingly if it goes ahead | 23:44 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: do you know where to file dev doc bugs? Or rather under which category? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | me neather now simon | 23:44 |
| lcuk | just lemme find it | 23:44 |
| lcuk | i know its around | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | b.m.o | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be a documentation component. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Camera_API_Usage | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Development%20platform&component=Documentation | 23:45 |
| lardman | yeah that's what I want to file a bug about, there's no working link to the full C code | 23:46 |
| lardman | thanks GeneralAntilles | 23:46 |
| keesj | but it that push stuff a hint for people to start asking for schematics and such? | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | keesj, i had a few ideas | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: A 'wow' installation - with a big monitor, and ... ? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | tin can phones which have voice, video, touch vibe modes | 23:49 |
| lcuk | two big cans and string | 23:49 |
| lcuk | the same software can be used outside the store with gf | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | and if you shake phone your other end shakes too | 23:50 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, now you mention it | 23:50 |
| lcuk | that was like the proposal i did make | 23:50 |
| b-man16 | hello lcuk :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/nokia_push_front.png | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | with backup resources from: seeing flow in biiiiiiig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyMRTNPCVQM and jamming on a desk in small | 23:51 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 23:51 |
| lardman | looks pretty | 23:52 |
| lcuk | we had a great time with them and i think its really novel and fun! | 23:52 |
| keesj | vry cool | 23:52 |
| keesj | so how many devices do you need for testing :p | 23:52 |
| lcuk | you mean i didnt show you simon? :$ | 23:52 |
| lcuk | heh keesj the display specifies 5*5.. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | if it works how i think its scalable tho | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and we could play with anything from 1 to ..... | 23:52 |
| lcuk | limit of network | 23:52 |
| lcuk | best part is the home participation aspect | 23:53 |
| keesj | does it use near field communication | 23:53 |
| * lardman wonders if checking out all of maemo-examples was a mistake | 23:53 | |
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| lcuk | no | 23:53 |
| lcuk | it would be expected to use wifi | 23:53 |
| lcuk | though it would run using multicast | 23:53 |
| lcuk | and if it works how i am planning the traffic will be minimal | 23:54 |
| lcuk | it just needs to send over the "weather map" of data, the actual individual particles do not have to flow or be managed between devices | 23:54 |
| keesj | thanks for the chat , going off now :p | 23:55 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i dont mind | 23:55 |
| lcuk | keesj, i have been playing with the flow for a few weeks now | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and its so touchable | 23:55 |
| lcuk | lol lardman i dont tihnk its the checkout of the items directly | 23:56 |
| lcuk | its the number of mods that have been made | 23:57 |
| mfinkle | anyone know of api docs for manipulating the autocomplete, auto-captialize features? | 23:57 |
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| * javispedro should probably get to fix some drnoksnes' bugs instead of playing yoshi's island | 23:57 | |
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| johnsq | javispedro: *lol* | 23:57 |
| lardman | the maemo-examples stuff doesn't build on the SDK | 23:58 |
| lardman | looks like it's old | 23:58 |
| javispedro | lardman: why it does not surprise me :P | 23:58 |
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