| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that page was um... interesting | 00:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | mikkov_: we were very clear that not all arrow keys were available in all languages | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | this should not come as a surprise to anyone | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone who failed to listen is well... stupid | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell kind of question is "Is the memory card hot-pluggable?" | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why the hell did it reload when I pressed cmd-c. . . . | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a Text Input item in settings which lets you select the Hardware Keylayout | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: where's that question from? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm frequently disturbed by how wrong Ari gets things sometimes. | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/NokiaWorld_2009_QA | 00:06 |
| * Andy80 wants to add "Does it make coffee?" to QA list :) | 00:08 | |
| * javispedro ponders wheter to add "output of cat /proc/mounts" to the list, but then remembers he probably has a prototype device without the final configuration. | 00:08 | |
| Andy80 | javispedro: well... is quite different the prototype from the final one, I hope you can distinguish :D | 00:09 |
| javispedro | sw prototype, I think he'll have final hw already. | 00:09 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles most s60's have hot-pluggable memory cards, what's the problem ? | 00:10 |
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| Andy80 | he = ? | 00:10 |
| Dieterbe | laway weg | 00:10 |
| Dieterbe | oops sorry | 00:10 |
| javispedro | Andy80, whoever ends up answering the questions :) | 00:10 |
| Andy80 | javispedro: ah sw of course... no one said it's ready :P | 00:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, exactly, I don't know why that's a question. | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean . . . duh. | 00:12 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ah ok, lol | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a stupid question | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | of course you can remove the mmc | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | however you shouldn't do it while it's in use <DUH> | 00:13 |
| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, VDVsx: maybe he doesn't know if SD is under the battery or not... | 00:13 |
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| javispedro | because someone is still not making the "Linux"=="same kernel that runs on desktops" assumption, and thinks Maemo of an "inferior" os than their beloved whateverOS. | 00:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: do you guys want unofficial answers? | 00:13 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, just did it in an s60 :P | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yes ctrl-backspace will let you do some stuff | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | personally i use the hardware task switching button: | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. open the camera lens. 2. press the camera button | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. close the camera app | 00:14 |
| VDVsx | lol | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | seriously | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the ui team told me to :) | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik there's no key to reach a menu from a full screen app | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why does it lack a hardware task switching button anyway? Even my N-Gage had one. | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: buttons are stupid :) | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, what about ctrl+backspace? | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it works | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i just don't like it | 00:16 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: this is a workaround, not a feature :\ | 00:16 |
| zerojay | Qd or original ngage? | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: i work in software | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: original (now in bits :)) | 00:16 |
| zerojay | Sidetalkin' :P | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're complaining about hardware, you're in the wrong place | 00:16 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, blame Jobs. Had the original iPhone had 36,000 hw buttons, today I would be using a phone with a million hw buttons. | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro is right | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | ehhe | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Fine: Fuck you Steve! | 00:17 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: pressing the Power button one time and show a simple menu would be so difficoult? | 00:17 |
| * VDVsx -> wowo gmail is back ;) | 00:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: we do show a menu | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | sticking a task switching item into that menu? | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | yes, because the ui team is ... | 00:17 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 00:17 | |
| * timeless_mbp isn't a fan of the ui team | 00:18 | |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: :D | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | they also have menu items in that menu which trigger error states | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | in violation of their own rules | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | well, at least one | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure we don't have skype video, although i haven't tried | 00:19 |
| VDVsx | :( | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the preinstalled games to my knowledge are listed on the web site with all the other software | 00:19 |
| javispedro | and are the usual four. | 00:19 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: I noticed :\ (from screenshot, of course :P ) | 00:19 |
| * julianoliver reads http://larvalabs.com/blog/iphone/android-market-sales/ | 00:19 | |
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| javispedro | at least, osso-games-startup was just updated; no new features at all. | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | so like.. ctrl-backspace... is that some standard keycombo or just made up? | 00:20 |
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| acouto | hi all | 00:20 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: the official website says "video calls will be added later....2 | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: ctrl-alt-backspace = kill X | 00:20 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, do you have skype in sbox o_0 | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | in newer S60 they stuck task switching to the top of EVERY menu. It's funny | 00:21 |
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| acouto | which lib can i use to gps? | 00:21 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: skype in sbox? | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | acouto, iirc there's a libgpsbt | 00:21 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: I suppose Skype team had some problem and wasn't sure to be able to add it in time... | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | (which also manages internal gps) | 00:21 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, forget, misread :P | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: i have no contact w/ Skype | 00:22 |
| acouto | ShadowJK, hum ok, i'll read about it, thanks | 00:22 |
| javispedro | the Skype team certainly has loads of problems | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're free to suppose, but you'd be better served by not bothering | 00:22 |
| javispedro | afaik the tech they licensed for Skype itself is now gone | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 00:23 |
| javispedro | the company went under or skype sued them or viceversa, something like that | 00:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles grumbles. | 00:23 | |
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| javispedro | (first google hit I found about the issue) http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/01/ebay-case-threatens-skype-shutdown | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you misread | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | acouto, As far as I understand it, libgpsbt is used to start the gps, then you connect to gpsd. gpsd is a fairly "standard" software package, and comes with its own documentation | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | skype technology was based on code from the core group of skype | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which they licensed to the skype company | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need more people qualified to clean up the wiki. | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | when ebay bought skype, they didn't buy out the core group | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everytime I stop doing it for a few weeks I come back to find everything in shambles. | 00:25 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:25 |
| lcuk | my missus is like that about shelves | 00:25 |
| lcuk | she goes crazy if you mess em up | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | There also appears to be something called libgpsmgr :) | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: time to make a GeneralAntillesBot | 00:25 |
| zerojay | Wedge. | 00:26 |
| javispedro | EvilWedge of course. | 00:26 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: will the whole event streamed online tomorrow? | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | do i look like i'm in marketing? | 00:26 |
| javispedro | yes, definitely. | 00:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:26 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: yes :) | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, do i sound like i'm in marketing? | 00:26 |
| zerojay | Quiet down, jussi. | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: no, you haven't (I think) lied to us | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 00:27 |
| aqq | lcuk: has anyone suggested that you could draw and write in liqreader as well? | 00:27 |
| aqq | lcuk: so you could add notes on what you're reading | 00:28 |
| lcuk | app, if you have the new liqbase, technically every screen can be drawn on | 00:28 |
| lcuk | top right corner is a little icon - click it anywhere and a sketch editor opens | 00:28 |
| aqq | liqbase playground? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | yeah, just testing at the mo | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | lets me save sketches tagged with the name of the item im drawing on | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wait | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 00:28 |
| aqq | also, is pdf support being worked on? | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | someone was silly enough to ask about hulu.com? | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 00:28 |
| lcuk | not by me, ive got other things to deal with | 00:29 |
| aqq | Im guessing no. but any pointers? | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone please slap that person? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | it will soon tho | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the devs don't live in .us | 00:29 |
| aqq | lcuk: so someone is working on it? | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | we can't access most hulu content | 00:29 |
| lcuk | no app, like everything else - i will come across a document in pdf i cant live without | 00:29 |
| lcuk | and will just have to make a pdf parser/viewer :) | 00:29 |
| * javispedro doesn't even know what Hulu looks like :) | 00:30 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: <insert favourite US proxy here> :) | 00:30 |
| Andy80 | me neither :) | 00:30 |
| * timeless_mbp crashes safari | 00:30 | |
| * timeless_mbp slaps qwerty12_N810 for the britishism | 00:30 | |
| aqq | lcuk: If I had a few good pointers to what to look for I would maybe have a go at adding pdf support because I love the smooth scroll thing that liqbase has | 00:31 |
| lcuk | yeah aqq, me too | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hater | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | taunter | 00:31 |
| lcuk | well, its not so much conversions at the moment | 00:31 |
| lcuk | i started liqbook in this, but its a stub atm | 00:31 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: not a too stupid question.... will we have Printer support :) ? we could be able to connect to a printer in a lan and print something..... | 00:32 |
| lcuk | ill dig it out and package it up in a few days | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and print what? | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn edit conflict | 00:32 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: a pdf, a picture, a wtf you want :) | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: i think you can probably take your bluetooth enabled printer | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | pair it with your n900 | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screw it, somebody is getting an edit nuked. | 00:32 |
| zerojay | People still print stuff? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | and then do nothing. | 00:33 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: I know you there are tree-friendly, but some people still like to print :D | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and send a picture (or more) from the picture application via bluetooth to your printer | 00:33 |
| lcuk | aqq | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | is that sufficient? :) | 00:33 |
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| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: almost ;) | 00:33 |
| mavhc | old people like to print | 00:33 |
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| aqq | lcuk: sorry, package what? | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | so, my n81 has some printer support | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i've never gotten it to work | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | on the two occasions i've tried | 00:34 |
| lcuk | aqq, i started to rewrite the book reader application | 00:34 |
| lcuk | in the new framework | 00:34 |
| lcuk | but got sidetracked | 00:34 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: you should contact Nokia tech support ;) | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | .... | 00:34 |
| aqq | lcuk: ah right! awesome | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm a frequent caller | 00:34 |
| lcuk | so it is at a prototype stage | 00:34 |
| lcuk | and will be until i need it lol | 00:34 |
| lcuk | i will make a package for it | 00:35 |
| lcuk | and put it online vsoon | 00:35 |
| * lcuk just has so many other things to do first | 00:35 | |
| aqq | I'll keep an eye out for it. | 00:35 |
| aqq | I'd offer dev help but Im neither skilled enough nor committed enough | 00:35 |
| lcuk | the playground is in need of testing :) | 00:35 |
| lcuk | theres always new pieces - and you can now completely reconfigure and select what is visible | 00:36 |
| lcuk | (persistable | 00:36 |
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| aqq | lcuk: cool | 00:36 |
| lcuk | tis :) | 00:36 |
| lcuk | theres new toys too | 00:36 |
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| aqq | lcuk: getting it right now | 00:36 |
| lcuk | nice toys that ive been experimenting on my x41 with | 00:37 |
| lcuk | the accelerometer is cool :) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, i pushed it through fremantle builder, you got time to show me the many flaws? | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | what am i doing? | 00:38 |
| javispedro | being brainwashed by management? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground from extras devel | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | CamelCase too | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 00:39 |
| lcuk | its got a problem right now - if you had playground already installed, it needs to update a lib its not done | 00:39 |
| lcuk | that will be solved as soon as i get it back through the autobuilder | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so i see liqtorch | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and liqcontrolpanel | 00:40 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground will get those too | 00:41 |
| lcuk | timeless, i missed off a (>= version) check in the packages | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | right, so what am i doing? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | so if it already has the lib installed it wont update it | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | just run liqbase-playground from wherever you run it | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | like a terminal? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | there should be an icon | 00:42 |
| lcuk | little pencil :$ | 00:42 |
| javispedro | with a pencil | 00:42 |
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| javispedro | heh :) | 00:42 |
| lcuk | intergalactic pencil actually :$ | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you have no icons | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | just default icons | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and liqbase_playgroun doesn't have enough space for the 'd' | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, running gtk-update-icon-cache in post? | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | actually no space for 'nd' | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i believe so. hold on, lemme confirm - theres a bundle of stuff now | 00:43 |
| lcuk | no | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | running that didn't do anything afaict | 00:44 |
| lcuk | 34..48 only :| | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | apt-get install libliqbase1 | 00:45 |
| lcuk | timeless - like i said, if you had it before - it didnt update the lib - i think :$ | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i wouldn't have installed it | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | could you run in console and send me the log please :$ | 00:46 |
| lcuk | or is that not allowed | 00:46 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground-run.sh | 00:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | it wants a password? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | lol. sudo. | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: psst... update-sudoers | 00:49 |
| * javispedro doesn't want to even think of that particular can of worms | 00:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: um, you're assuming wget is installed | 00:49 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt even need it | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but you didn't depend on that | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | pressing enter gets past the password prompt | 00:49 |
| * lcuk fails | 00:49 | |
| * lcuk casts mind back to wget :O | 00:50 | |
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| lcuk | you are right timeless | 00:50 |
| mikkov_ | what kind of question is "Is the touchscreen hot-swappable?" | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, that's the "GA is a dumbass"-type | 00:50 |
| lcuk | i have curl available and left in the image loader | 00:50 |
| lcuk | using wget | 00:50 |
| javispedro | lol. | 00:50 |
| lcuk | i dont know any of this linux business :$ | 00:51 |
| javispedro | EvilGAN already at it. | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | neither curl nor wget are installed here | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | in path anyway | 00:51 |
| mikkov_ | lol | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want one or the other depend on one or the other | 00:51 |
| lcuk | libliqbase has deps for libcurl | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: is maemo-mini-curl there? | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 00:52 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: a simple test you can do in 2 minutes: is that f*** flash plugin compatible with the front webcam? I mean... am I able to use it in website like Ustream.tv or Justin.tv? | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: :( | 00:52 |
| lcuk | libcurl3 actually | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: it isn't supposed to be | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo-mini-curl? | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 00:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | someone said yesterday it was accidentally enabled for an image or so | 00:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810 already asked. | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but they're trying very hard not to support it | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | partly they're afraid of security/privacy | 00:53 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: why? it would be great | 00:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | beyond that, i'm not sure | 00:53 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: LOL :) | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | all i got was "we had a security issue that we really needed to fix | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it shouldn't have mattered much, except there was a time when those features actually worked" | 00:53 |
| Andy80 | it sounds strange to me... | 00:54 |
| mikkov_ | timeless_mbp: where was this info about arrow keys? not that it really matters, but think I've missed something :) | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: trust me, i've asked about those features, i want to use gmail's talk stuff | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, fixed, by the way. | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | mikkov_: a long long time ago we made it clear to people that we didn't have directional arrow keys | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | probably even before the first sdk was released | 00:54 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: isn't GTalk voice/video supported by the integrated client? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | GTalk has voice? | 00:55 |
| mikkov_ | timeless_mbp: probably some other people :) | 00:55 |
| javispedro | I mean, video? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes. | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: irrelevant | 00:55 |
| javispedro | not the official client at least. | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | some of us work on web browsers and don't care about anything else | 00:55 |
| lardman | re | 00:55 |
| javispedro | and the web one is like a stab in the back to the xmmp foundation. | 00:56 |
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| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: I do prefer native clients... but in case of Ustream/Justin.tv there aren't any... | 00:56 |
| * timeless_mbp hates native clients | 00:56 | |
| * javispedro fails at writing XMPP | 00:56 | |
| timeless_mbp | if it doesn't run in my web browser, i don't want it | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 00:56 |
| * timeless_mbp should go try to fix image downloading | 00:57 | |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, hm, how come people have been arguing about dpad since forever until the announce? :) | 00:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | people are stupid? | 00:57 |
| lardman | do we know what was released at Nokia World yet? | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | what will be? | 00:57 |
| * timeless_mbp knows nothing about Nokia World | 00:58 | |
| lardman | dunno, just browsing Talk | 00:58 |
| lardman | something super exciting (in addition to the N900) allegedly | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, give it about 10 hours. | 00:58 |
| lardman | ah, got my timings wrong | 00:58 |
| lardman | that's the problem with being 1h behind Germany ;) | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Total fail? | 00:59 |
| zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3878795833/ | 00:59 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 00:59 |
| zerojay | :D | 00:59 |
| zerojay | Keep entertaining me, guys. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:59 |
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| zerojay | Still on this empty bus... Bleh. | 01:00 |
| lardman | zerojay: surely better perched on top of a steering wheel with the speedo showing >100mph? ;) | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, clearly you should throw a party. | 01:00 |
| zerojay | Partybus. | 01:01 |
| zerojay | Bangbus. Lol | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Only in Canada, eh? | 01:01 |
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| ShellEvil | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/16/633780573679112250-wettshirtcontest.jpg | 01:02 |
| ShellEvil | (worksafe) | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | Evening, all | 01:02 |
| * Jaffa is implanted in his hotel room. | 01:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I just IMed that picture to my friend across the room so he didn't have to get and up come look. | 01:02 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa | 01:02 |
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| * Jaffa got a room upgrade. WIN! | 01:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, wiki page is fixed. | 01:03 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: you have about 2000 questions :) | 01:03 |
| lardman | what's iMed? Sounds dodgy | 01:03 |
| VDVsx | hallo Jaffa :) | 01:03 |
| lardman | Jaffa: first question, do you have a minibar? | 01:04 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Yes. Not sure Nokia'll like me expensing it. | 01:04 |
| lardman | :) very good :) | 01:04 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: hi ::) | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, sent the link via AIM. :P | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | I was planning to go down to the hotel bar, but a) got undressed; b) have the #maemo-meeting minutes to do | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I killed and editing some of the non-sensical ones. | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta muchly | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: How is that impeding your ability to still go to the bar? :) | 01:05 |
| javispedro | GAN: "Is there a "Shared Folders" view in the File Manager?" I guess that's no. | 01:06 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: well if you come to the summit, we'll see how you like it going to the bar in your underwear | 01:06 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: but he could always stick some clothes on, so +1 | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: underwear? I thought that was optional | 01:07 |
| javispedro | they said gnomevfs-smb or the like was deprecated, do I remember that correctly or I am pulling it from my ___ ? | 01:07 |
| lardman | lol | 01:07 |
| lardman | javispedro: true | 01:07 |
| mikkov_ | javispedro: there can be bluetooth shared folders | 01:07 |
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| javispedro | then the question has to be rewritten.. | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: A good point. /me eyes the room service menu too | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I don't think qwerty12 will see any issue with that. :D | 01:08 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: we have to get him there first! | 01:08 |
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| dark | Anyone knows where i can download arpwatch for my nokia | 01:08 |
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| mrmcq2u | what about upnp? | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Send a blow-up doll in honour of me instead | 01:09 |
| javispedro | question rewritten to Which kind of "Shared Folders" (Bluetooth, UPnP, Samba) appear in the File Manager? | 01:09 |
| lardman | I have a large suitcase and am sure I can make some chloroform | 01:09 |
| dark | Anyone knows where i can download arpwatch for my nokia | 01:09 |
| acouto | mrmcq2u, http://www.upnp.org/ | 01:10 |
| javispedro | who the hell asked if "there's jabber support?" | 01:10 |
| Jaffa | Bah. Room service closed. | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Andre said Samba support has gone | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, kidnapping! | 01:10 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I thought you said "*to* me". | 01:10 |
| mrmcq2u | hmmm somebody should port vdrift to maemo 5 | 01:10 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, I remember that too (and lardman agreed), but then though asking for bt ftp and upnp ones made sense | 01:10 |
| lardman | dark: build it yourself I think | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: tmo and -users users. Gotta love 'em | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: lol, I'm not that desperate | 01:11 |
| mrmcq2u | development has actually picked up for the first time in ages -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e57scWGyp0I | 01:11 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, yes, SMB is not supported in Fremantle | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | "How is HTML5 support?" | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | Mmm, that'll be trivial to answer. | 01:12 |
| andre__ | want me to test something and break my nda? :-P | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | cifs then? | 01:12 |
| lardman | mrmcq2u: I thought it was for drifting, I didn't see that AC Cobra drift at all | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: yes please | 01:13 |
| andre__ | tomorrow :-D | 01:13 |
| javispedro | I don't know if I'm supposed to answer questions: http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_World_2009_QA#Is_there_Jabber.2FXMPP_support.3F | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 01:13 |
| javispedro | if not then I'll delete it. | 01:13 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: If we know the answer already, answer 'em. | 01:13 |
| dark | Question for everybody where i can get arpwatch for maemo | 01:13 |
| Jaffa | For example, "Is there any system monitor to see in real-time" | 01:13 |
| lcuk | haha zach just wrote one of those in liqbase | 01:14 |
| lcuk | it actually shows stats from any connected machine :D | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | "Is it possible to turn off the cellular radio" <- eh? what does the question poser mean? | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | All nokia N series work without sim card, and all Nokia N series, including N810, have offline mode :) | 01:15 |
| javispedro | yeah, but | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Probably one of: a) is there an offline mode or b) can I use it exactly as I used an Internet Tablet | 01:15 |
| javispedro | does offline take wifi off too? | 01:15 |
| javispedro | what I think he means is that if it can be fully used _without_ the gsm/3g radio on. | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | On other N and E series it initially takes wifi and bluetooth, and when you try use them, it cautions you and asks if you want to activate wlan, etc... but that's not a real answer | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The mobile-review pics show WiFi on, but a crossed-out SIM card icon in the statusbar | 01:16 |
| javispedro | yeah, but removing the sim card is kinda overkill. | 01:16 |
| javispedro | also, my phone keeps the radio on even then (112 calls) | 01:16 |
| * lardman wondered what that symbol was | 01:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, load up the YouTube HTML5 test page. | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: But HTML5 is more than <video /> | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, the radio would be off until you make a call? | 01:17 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Not necessarily | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, bing. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can it be used as a pure internet tablet. | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | even if it was on, it would be using far less power than it uses in idle :) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I suspect that'll satisfy. | 01:18 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, you have a point :) | 01:18 |
| mikkov_ | you probably can't tether n900 though another phone (with default software) | 01:18 |
| mikkov_ | I mean with bluetooth | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | "Is DUN supported? " <- DUN "Server" or "Client" support? | 01:19 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: I'd be surprised if they removed that - a better question: can you tether another device through the N900 out of the box | 01:19 |
| javispedro | but either way, I don't want to keep removing the sim card. I just want to shut the phone part off. | 01:19 |
| Jaffa | (I'd guess no: but easy to add) | 01:19 |
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| javispedro | I believe that older Palm Treos allowed that by dialing a special number. | 01:19 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: My question would be if there's DUN support at all because it's not in the specs | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | "Can I log on to secure websites and pay bills?" <- I can do this with N810. Wtf kind of question is this? | 01:20 |
| * Jaffa reserves the right to ignore stupid questions tomorrow (today), btw | 01:21 | |
| javispedro | "No. The phone detects you're trying to pail a bill and calls local police automatically." | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | <h3> -> <h4> | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | Jaffa, you're going to nokia world? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But of course <h4> doesn't have proper padding, X-Fade! | 01:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles grins. | 01:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the staggered [edits] | 01:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: bingo. | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic19.jpg - note "Activate phone" | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Yes. http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_world_2009/ | 01:22 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810++ thanks! | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: I'm there now. | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | oh :) | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | Arrived too late to catch up with PeterS and timsamoff | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | That secure website question is pure stupid. Even the s60 browser works | 01:22 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_World_2009_QA#Is_it_possible_to_turn_off_the_cellular_radio.3F wonder if that's ok | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, better yet, MicroB now works just fine. | 01:24 |
| lcuk | hey jaffa | 01:24 |
| lcuk | did you see the new playground :D | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, it has been broken with https? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | (that is, if you can install it - hint, uninstall, and reinstall) | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, no, MicroB works just fine. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's a silly question based on any amount of experience with either S60 or Maemo. | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | yeah.. I'd say | 01:25 |
| lardman | ow, just dropped a knife on my toe | 01:25 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: No, didn't get a chance before I left | 01:25 |
| lcuk | liqflow is in it :) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | Are we going to be able to run a chroot environment? | 01:26 |
| javispedro | ... | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Lol | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, just gotta roll with it. ;) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | already answered it :) | 01:26 |
| javispedro | btw, the games were the usual four in the eldar preview, but don't know what they are in the final image | 01:27 |
| javispedro | (which btw makes tetris the first game to support "portrait mode" ;) ) | 01:27 |
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| * lcuk knows a game that supports full rotation | 01:27 | |
| javispedro | n900 wall smashing? | 01:28 |
| javispedro | is there any game supporting 6.78º rotation? ;) | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://thenokiablog.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-walkthrough/ | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad I don't speak Italian. | 01:28 |
| javispedro | it's easy to understand for latin-descendant language speakers. | 01:29 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, the games are listed in the specs ;) | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Took a lot of Spanish and I can catch a word or two here and there, but that doesn't help overall understandin. | 01:30 |
| * javispedro was thinking... wtf I am not understanding anything? then notices he had the video muted and was listening to local tv instead. | 01:30 | |
| Jaffa | Hah | 01:30 |
| lardman | lol | 01:30 |
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| Jaffa | Is your local TV talking about Maemo?! | 01:31 |
| lardman | slight lip-sync problems hey? | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | What's this about amazon.com crashing | 01:31 |
| javispedro | what lips ;) ? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | expecting to hear certain keywords (touch, etc.) I just listened to blablabla :) | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | he actually says 32 gigas microsd I think. | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia needs to figure out how to get some early 32GB SD samples so everybody doesn't thing it's limited to 16GB | 01:33 |
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| VDVsx | very strange Italian accent, I can understand almost everything :P | 01:34 |
| javispedro | yeah | 01:34 |
| lardman | they could always test themselves and update the specs page | 01:34 |
| simula | is there any word on a US release date for the unlocked n900? | 01:35 |
| javispedro | they managed to do fluid zoom in mozilla. good job. | 01:35 |
| lardman | if they're too busy I'll accept an N900 and 32GB card and will do the testing for free | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | simula, ask again tomorrow after Nokia World 2009 opens. | 01:35 |
| simula | it seems that some German folks have been told that they will receive their orders Oct 1 | 01:35 |
| simula | ok GeneralAntilles | 01:35 |
| * Jaffa has got *loads* of new followers on Twitter since it was announced we were going to be tweeting from Nokia World :) | 01:36 | |
| simula | jaffa... what is your twitter address? ;) | 01:36 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, the browser seems very neat ;) | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you're gonna have to stop using Twitter after this. :D | 01:36 |
| Jaffa | simula: http://twitter.com/jaffa2 (and timsamoff is http://twitter.com/timsamoff) | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | simula, I'm waiting impatiently to figure out whether AT&T 3G will be supported. | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: They're going to get pissed off when I start ranting about Java EE and the people working for me ;-) | 01:37 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, start already with the rants :) | 01:37 |
| lardman | lol @ timsamoff's hotel peephole | 01:37 |
| simula | GeneralAntilles... everything seems to point to T-mobile only, but choice is good | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | lardman: That could *so* be misconstrued | 01:38 |
| lardman | indeed | 01:38 |
| Jaffa | Right. I must do the meeting tasks. | 01:38 |
| Jaffa | Last meeting as council chair! Woohoo! | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | simula, not so good if you can't get T-Mobile 3G coverage. | 01:38 |
| Jaffa | *cough* | 01:38 |
| lardman | lol | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's nice to be able to dick around uselessly. ;) | 01:38 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps that should be added to the wiki page on "Council responsibilites"? | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I can tell :-p | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, so, so tired. | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I can tell :-( | 01:40 |
| lardman | go to bed then! | 01:40 |
| lcuk | play | 01:40 |
| lardman | not even 7pm., what's the world coming to? | 01:40 |
| lardman | lcuk:clarinet? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | jaffa, searching works and you can add remove everything at will | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, not that sort. ;) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | heh simon | 01:41 |
| mrmcq2u | what make is the screen? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i pushed the playground to devel | 01:41 |
| * javispedro ponders wheter to waste time trying to understand why dosbox does not get the input focus, or waste time trying to convert dosbox into a gtk application. | 01:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mrmcq2u, Sony, last I saw. | 01:42 |
| lcuk | uninstall and reinstall to see | 01:42 |
| * mrmcq2u hopes the screen in the n900 has been designed to stantum's spec | 01:42 | |
| lcuk | why does it need it | 01:43 |
| lardman | stantum? | 01:43 |
| lardman | ~stantum | 01:43 |
| simula | it's not multi-touch | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yeah multitouch in general | 01:43 |
| javispedro | some kind of multitouch stuff | 01:43 |
| lardman | come on infobot | 01:43 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 01:43 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:43 |
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| simula | no multi-touch... gestures only | 01:43 |
| lcuk | what do you really gain on a tiny screen | 01:43 |
| VDVsx | chase lardman | 01:43 |
| javispedro | gestures only? | 01:43 |
| lardman | poor, infobot doesn't Google words it doesn't know | 01:43 |
| simula | lcuk... easier to fit in your pocket | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | mrmcq2u, the LCD screen doesn't have a whole lot to do with the touchscreen. | 01:43 |
| VDVsx | ~chase lardman | 01:43 |
| * infobot chases lardman | 01:43 | |
| lcuk | simula, ? | 01:43 |
| lcuk | eh | 01:43 |
| lcuk | what does mt have to do with pocket | 01:44 |
| * lardman strikes infobot down | 01:44 | |
| javispedro | gestures only? what would I want multitouch gestures only? | 01:44 |
| javispedro | that would really suck. | 01:44 |
| simula | lcuk... i thought you were talking about screen size, not touch :) | 01:44 |
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| VDVsx | infobot has Alzheimer, it seems | 01:44 |
| simula | no multi-touch according o the demos i've seen | 01:44 |
| javispedro | infobot, alzheimer is something I have. | 01:44 |
| infobot | javispedro: okay | 01:44 |
| simula | single finger gestures | 01:44 |
| mrmcq2u | well stantums multitouch is freaking awesome resistive goodness :D | 01:45 |
| javispedro | ~alzheimer | 01:45 |
| infobot | hmm... alzheimer is something I have. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | we'll see if he remembers this tomorrow :) | 01:45 |
| lcuk | i would actually like mt on something big enough to matter | 01:45 |
| lcuk | i dont like smears on my screen | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~beer | 01:45 |
| * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) | 01:45 | |
| lcuk | so i use a stlyus or nail | 01:45 |
| javispedro | bang | 01:45 |
| simula | multi-touch is cool on the iphones... but i care more about the sweet 800x480 resolution than multi-touch | 01:46 |
| lardman | lcuk: plastic nail I trust | 01:46 |
| lcuk | its horrible staring at a white screen | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multi-touch is mostly irritating. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | liqbase doesnt show smears as much ;) | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | My fingers don't do pinch gestures very well. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, laser siting | 01:46 |
| lcuk | sighting even | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd work well on a table, but not so well on a mobile device you're trying to hold. | 01:46 |
| * javispedro thinks the only visibile benefit to multitouch is detecting two/three button presses | 01:46 | |
| lardman | sitting on a laser, hmm ;) | 01:46 |
| lcuk | drawing on the bright white postcard is odd you know | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, it's nice on a laptop trackpad. | 01:47 |
| * lcuk prefers writing on a blackboard | 01:47 | |
| javispedro | then we could make the ocarina app qgil wanted :) | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you can assign pretty much all of the browser functions to finger swipes. | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | lardman, could you give the updated liqbase-playground a test | 01:47 |
| javispedro | lcuk, it uses a lot of memory | 01:47 |
| lardman | I don;t have my N810 here atm, left it at work | 01:47 |
| lardman | bad show I know | 01:47 |
| javispedro | but works well :) | 01:48 |
| mrmcq2u | simula - you can get the high res with stantums spec because its resistive not capacitive | 01:48 |
| lcuk | javispedro, if you have just scrolled down a big image list for the first time, yeah | 01:48 |
| lcuk | it has to load up the entire image to scroll | 01:48 |
| lcuk | after that, it stores an image thumb | 01:48 |
| javispedro | but remember to check malloc results | 01:48 |
| javispedro | cause I think it crashes more often when swap is disabled | 01:48 |
| lcuk | and every time you revisit the file it will load the thumb | 01:48 |
| lcuk | yes maybe | 01:48 |
| lcuk | im not good with things like this | 01:48 |
| lcuk | :$ | 01:48 |
| javispedro | either way I don't know what to do when malloc returns null, other than crashing | 01:49 |
| lcuk | i do try to catch everything | 01:49 |
| javispedro | if you're loading an image, you could just return the "green box", but that doesn't solve the rest of the cases. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | when im writing functions i check as many error conditions as possible | 01:49 |
| lcuk | and will indicate in the log | 01:50 |
| lcuk | and because theres a lot of mallocs in the classes, if they fail i should be trapping and logging | 01:50 |
| lcuk | so review the logs carefully and see if it ties up | 01:50 |
| javispedro | will. | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | the log is quite large now actually :$ | 01:51 |
| javispedro | btw, the other day I was reading the packaging guide about -dbg packages | 01:51 |
| javispedro | obey :) | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | show me what to change in the lib makefiles and packaging | 01:51 |
| lcuk | i can get you the git | 01:52 |
| javispedro | show me the git and I'll try to make a patch | 01:52 |
| * javispedro now mounts /usr/lib/debug via nfs to his desktop, and gdb is now much, much more useful with nearly half a gigabyte of debug symbols | 01:52 | |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | the lib got updated a couple of hours ago | 01:53 |
| * lardman just choked on his wine | 01:53 | |
| lcuk | im just tidying up playground and making sure i add everything | 01:53 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:53 |
| lardman | nothing to do with the channel mind you | 01:53 |
| lcuk | you installed liqbase :P | 01:53 |
| * javispedro searches for the clone url. | 01:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, slow down. :P | 01:54 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/tree/master | 01:54 |
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| * GeneralAntilles <3's Blue Jeans Cable | 01:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the anti Monster Cable. | 01:54 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think I'll stop | 01:54 |
| javispedro | wtf? | 01:54 |
| javispedro | "error: Couldn't resolve host ' <link href="http:'" | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we don't want to have to send qwerty12_N810 over there in his underwear to resuscitate you. | 01:55 |
| javispedro | lcuk: the clone url is git://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase.git ;) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | cool, tho ill probably forget again soon | 01:56 |
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| javispedro | nm, not used to github .) | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | me neither | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | im bedding anyway for the night. | 01:57 |
| lcuk | javispedro, glad you like liqbase :) | 01:57 |
| javispedro | without calendar my life was starting to become a mess ;) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | mine is | 01:58 |
| lcuk | i havent got any data in it | 01:58 |
| javispedro | i'm only storing near-term appoinments | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, home again, home again? | 01:58 |
| lcuk | its easy enough | 01:58 |
| javispedro | so don't feel bad if you need to change format and fsck my calendar ;) | 01:58 |
| lcuk | we will add a way to add birthdays | 01:58 |
| lcuk | and show them too | 01:59 |
| lcuk | the format wont change | 01:59 |
| lcuk | its simple | 01:59 |
| lcuk | day20090923.sketch | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | if theres a sketch there, its loaded | 01:59 |
| lcuk | otherwise not | 01:59 |
| lardman | is there any eaily understandable doc about {} + strings in Python? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | and sketches are the same as they were originally | 01:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, you saw the postcard app layout didnt you? | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | when it starts | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it opens up with the latest image showing | 02:00 |
| lcuk | from the camera | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090831_025549.ctrlliqpostcard_intro1.scr.png | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | then its got a kick ass image select underneath | 02:01 |
| lcuk | you could use it for barcode :) | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | just change the worlding, put your code behind the send button, add remove bits etc.. ;) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | nice fast stand alone :D | 02:02 |
| zerojay | I'm home, General. | 02:05 |
| lcuk | gnite anyway :) | 02:05 |
| lardman | very pretty | 02:05 |
| lardman | night! | 02:05 |
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| javispedro | night | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: you can turn off the cellular radio entirely w/o going into offlne mode | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can turn it on again later | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | ah cool | 02:18 |
| lardman | night all | 02:20 |
| lardman | Jaffa: hope the Nokia World meeting is fun tomorrow :) | 02:20 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|gone: thanks | 02:23 |
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| Jaffa | Oooh, I think I may be done | 02:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | done? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo-meeting minutes. | 02:34 |
| Jaffa | And publicising them | 02:35 |
| Jaffa | So, now I can make sure appropriate devices are on charge for tomorrow and go to bed | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your new N900, eh? ;) | 02:35 |
| Jaffa | Pfft | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figured it'd probably have bad battery life. :D | 02:35 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, note. Tomorrow we steal Jaffa's n900 too? | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | An official statement on battery life! | 02:35 |
| * SpeedEvil posts. | 02:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: sure | 02:36 |
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| javispedro | btw, Jaffa, you removed my answer to the "Is it possible to turn off the cellular radio? " | 02:38 |
| javispedro | intentional? | 02:38 |
| javispedro | (timeless has now said here clearly that it's possible) | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a stupid question | 02:38 |
| zerojay | Lol | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, i've answered it | 02:39 |
| javispedro | well, the question is still there :) | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | probably a collision | 02:39 |
| javispedro | may be. | 02:39 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: No, not intentional. | 02:42 |
| * Jaffa beds | 02:42 | |
| javispedro | gnite. | 02:42 |
| * zerojay porno music. | 02:42 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Are you? | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Wocka-chicka wocka-chicka... Dundun.... | 02:43 |
| zerojay | Nah. | 02:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Damn, I was looking for one too | 02:43 |
| * javispedro was wondering if he linked to a eldar screenshot enraged certain maemo gods | 02:44 | |
| javispedro | *linking | 02:44 |
| zerojay | Yes, i was very mad. | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | I didnt see a thing in that screenshot :) | 02:46 |
| zerojay | I don't even know which one. | 02:46 |
| javispedro | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic19.jpg | 02:46 |
| javispedro | which clearly shows the "activate phone" menu item | 02:46 |
| zerojay | Why would they be mad? | 02:46 |
| zerojay | Ah. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | Hmm | 02:47 |
| javispedro | me being paranoid. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | Relax dude. | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, he'll never expect the ninjas now. | 02:48 |
| wazd | Italian video looks awesome | 02:49 |
| zerojay | Oh yeah... Gotta check it out. | 02:49 |
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| wazd | zoom motion is still kinda... you know :) | 02:50 |
| javispedro | Blue ninjas bringing free N900 like a Santa Claus Army? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, double-tap. | 02:51 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that saves the day | 02:51 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I *really* suspect that zone around the screen is actually touchable too | 02:52 |
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| zelrikriando | hello | 02:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, yeah, that'll rock. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Giant scrollbar. | 02:52 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: dude in the video was scrolling the browser way too close to the edge | 02:52 |
| zerojay | Link me? | 02:52 |
| wazd | http://thenokiablog.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-walkthrough/ | 02:52 |
| zerojay | Thanks | 02:53 |
| wazd | and Foreca applet sighted :( | 02:53 |
| wazd | I like how nokia borrowed desktop sliding motion from Android, applet layer moves a bit faster than the background | 02:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ssh, Nokia didn't borrow anything from Android ;) | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It does look like that. | 02:55 |
| simula | the pictures that the n900 takes look a good bit better than i thought they would: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/31/nokia-n900-image-samples-leak-out-to-the-internet.html | 02:55 |
| simula | almost no grain | 02:55 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: well, copying stuff is not illegal, especially if it's good stuff | 02:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I know, I'm just taking the piss | 02:56 |
| * wazd sights ninjas near his front door | 02:57 | |
| wazd | okok, Nokia didn't! | 02:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | These Foreca ones? :p | 02:57 |
| javispedro | they bring free n900! let them in!! | 02:58 |
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| wazd | javispedro: I wonder if they have one :) | 02:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "N900s for AK-47s" | 02:59 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 imagines a lot of Russians having a N900 in that case | 03:00 | |
| zerojay | I love the notifications | 03:02 |
| zelrikriando | The sdk is not that easy to install | 03:03 |
| javispedro | they look kinda the current ones, only wider | 03:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You also can't set an icon to be displayed with them anymore :( | 03:03 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: everyonr :D | 03:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :p | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | hey javispedro thanks for the patch! :D | 03:06 |
| lcuk | i need to ask | 03:06 |
| javispedro | glad git sent it and not my whole pr0n collection :) | 03:06 |
| lcuk | i just ran around the projects to try to cure the version install thing | 03:07 |
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| lcuk | and i added Depends: libliqbase1 (> 0.3.30) on each of the standalone projects | 03:07 |
| lcuk | can i use the same kind of trick as you do in that makefile: | 03:08 |
| lcuk | Depends: libliqbase1 (= ${Source-Version}) | 03:08 |
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| javispedro | nope, since that is replaced by the version in debian/changelog | 03:08 |
| lcuk | so that at the time of building the package, it will use the >=version installed right now | 03:08 |
| javispedro | it should do that automatically... | 03:08 |
| javispedro | with the shlib:depends thing. | 03:08 |
| lcuk | i mightv broke them too | 03:09 |
| javispedro | is liqtorch or any other standalone app in git? | 03:09 |
| javispedro | so i can build for testing | 03:09 |
| lcuk | gimme 5 | 03:09 |
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| lcuk | javispedro :) | 03:29 |
| lcuk | signup and follow me | 03:29 |
| lcuk | you can track and stuff i think | 03:29 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk | 03:29 |
| lcuk | i updated the playground | 03:29 |
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| lcuk | while we are at it, http://twitter.com/lcuk | 03:30 |
| lcuk | and #liqbase :) | 03:30 |
| javispedro | lol | 03:30 |
| * SpeedEvil rofls at recent xkcd. | 03:30 | |
| javispedro | I am not registered at any of these :) | 03:30 |
| javispedro | well, save for freenode | 03:30 |
| lcuk | haha | 03:30 |
| lcuk | well thats my blog anyway | 03:31 |
| zelrikriando | it said invalid password when I try to do newgrp sbox | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (wrt lcuk's comment) | 03:31 |
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| lcuk | i generally just rant in there about code | 03:31 |
| zelrikriando | what s the password | 03:31 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, links | 03:31 |
| lcuk | you cant reference xkcd without it | 03:31 |
| * javispedro was a twitter hatter up until recently | 03:31 | |
| lcuk | its the law | 03:32 |
| lcuk | twitters good | 03:32 |
| javispedro | currently I'm neutral vs it | 03:32 |
| lcuk | if you have a tool to play with it | 03:32 |
| javispedro | and in a few months, maybe I'll even create the account :) | 03:32 |
| javispedro | (same with facebook...... ) | 03:32 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png | 03:32 |
| lcuk | im still trying to get that running :) | 03:32 |
| lcuk | yikes | 03:33 |
| lcuk | 03:33 | |
| javispedro | they look all the same to me :) | 03:33 |
| lcuk | hah | 03:33 |
| lcuk | where do you read | 03:33 |
| javispedro | i am still at the rss age. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: http://xkcd.com/624/ | 03:34 |
| lcuk | rss reader would be cool in liqbase | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | uucp! | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really that old) | 03:34 |
| lcuk | i keep playing with a html parser | 03:34 |
| lcuk | haha | 03:34 |
| * javispedro was wasting his time typing "hg clone git:/:.." instead of git clone. | 03:36 | |
| javispedro | (fingers used to the days I used to pull v4l tree ;) ) | 03:37 |
| javispedro | lcuk: i think I see where you breaked it. | 03:38 |
| lcuk | ooer | 03:39 |
| javispedro | in debian/rules, call to dh_shlibdeps is commented out | 03:39 |
| javispedro | (you or someone else ;) ) | 03:39 |
| zelrikriando | so | 03:39 |
| zelrikriando | why is there a password on newgrp sbox | 03:39 |
| lcuk | i dont know off hand | 03:39 |
| lcuk | what i do know | 03:39 |
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| * javispedro needs to read a bit about shlibdeps to help tho, since it now emits a shitload of warnings | 03:40 | |
| lcuk | is the readme for installing scratchbox and the sdk contains pretty much THE faq on problems whilst installing | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | so read thoroughly please | 03:40 |
| lcuk | it will help you in the long run :) | 03:40 |
| zelrikriando | where is it | 03:43 |
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| ShadowJK | is the sdk preinstalled in those vmware images? | 03:46 |
| zelrikriando | lcuk: I cannot get that page to display, can you http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/ScratchboxFAQ | 03:47 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ | 03:53 |
| lcuk | try reading the installation notes for the sdk | 03:53 |
| zelrikriando | I was following those | 03:53 |
| zelrikriando | but I am stuck at scratchbox | 03:54 |
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| Firebird | Since there is libGL and GLU in the SDK, does that mean that unmodified SDL_opengl will run on maemo5/N900? | 04:04 |
| javispedro | At this point, I'm not sure (since supertux run), but I wouldn't get my hopes high. | 04:05 |
| javispedro | e.g. it may do software rendering for libGL. | 04:06 |
| Firebird | ah | 04:06 |
| zelrikriando | Scratchbox login executable... no | 04:06 |
| Firebird | has anyone ported the pandora SDL with OpenGLES support then? | 04:06 |
| javispedro | no, but I'd be interested | 04:06 |
| javispedro | what does it do? just scaling? | 04:07 |
| lcuk | zelrikriando, have you tried logging out/closing session and just retrying after coming back in | 04:07 |
| Firebird | er, it allows OpenGL to run inside SDL javispedro | 04:07 |
| javispedro | ah, just wraps egl then | 04:07 |
| lcuk | as a windows guy, it is usual but i dunno | 04:07 |
| Firebird | or opengles in the pandora version | 04:07 |
| Firebird | EGL fails to initialize in my SDL install :/ | 04:08 |
| lcuk | javispedro, have a poke with those packages please and see what needs polishing to make them purr! | 04:08 |
| javispedro | lcuk, I am at it :) | 04:08 |
| lcuk | all the icons and everything need to twinkle ;) | 04:08 |
| javispedro | that kind of polish? ... | 04:08 |
| zelrikriando | lcuk: I ll try that thanks | 04:08 |
| javispedro | naa I'm with the shlib deps issue. | 04:08 |
| lcuk | theres an icon for the desktop - take a look | 04:08 |
| lcuk | its a lovely design :) | 04:09 |
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| javispedro | Firebird, can you elaborate on the "failure"? | 04:09 |
| javispedro | I am yet to try, but ogles should be present there (sw rendering) | 04:09 |
| javispedro | (in SD) | 04:09 |
| javispedro | *(in SDK) | 04:09 |
| Firebird | javispedro, all it says is "EGL has failed to initialize" or something similar (I'm trying the PowerVR tutorial things) | 04:10 |
| javispedro | so they have botched the powervr emulation libraries... | 04:10 |
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| javispedro | I never did see them announced so that is to be expected tho. | 04:11 |
| * javispedro wants his N8x0 powervr drivers :( | 04:11 | |
| Firebird | eh, guess I'll try using pure SDL for now... rotozoom on a 20x9 image shouldn't be too bad... | 04:11 |
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| javispedro | sdl_gfx you mean. | 04:11 |
| zelrikriando | hello again | 04:11 |
| lcuk | Firebird, what are you after writing | 04:11 |
| zelrikriando | lcuk: it seems to be working now, well at least it's busy doing stuff | 04:12 |
| Firebird | lcuk, after writing? | 04:12 |
| lcuk | yeah, what you putting rotozoom into sdl for | 04:12 |
| lcuk | and wouldnt you much rather be mucking about in yuv | 04:12 |
| Firebird | I'm turning my box2d-example program into some sort of linerider clone | 04:13 |
| Firebird | yuv has fast rotation? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | you need vectors? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | liqbase could render that AMAZINGLY well | 04:14 |
| lcuk | its something that would make my son happy too! | 04:14 |
| Firebird | does liqbase run off the SDK/tablet? | 04:14 |
| Firebird | (out of) | 04:15 |
| lcuk | n8x0 onwards | 04:15 |
| Firebird | I mean, in a standard linux environment, not maemo | 04:15 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 04:15 |
| lcuk | i run windows | 04:15 |
| Firebird | ah | 04:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what happened to the Disney of the 90s. | 04:15 | |
| lcuk | code and develop in ide on desktop, but save files to tablet, and use it to do all my building | 04:15 |
| Firebird | I managed to get 60fps on the N810 using pure SDL and SDL_gfx (lots of screen tearing of course) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, it will make a comeback in the 2030s. | 04:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase is tearfree | 04:16 |
| javispedro | Firebird, surface size? | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm an old man now, apparently. | 04:16 |
| lcuk | and at 800*480 it maxes the bus at 27fps | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | They don't make them like they used to. | 04:16 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, yea, its at 800x480 | 04:16 |
| javispedro | Firebird, do you do dirty rects (SDL_UpdateRect) or just SDL_Flip? | 04:17 |
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| Firebird | I was using SDL_Flip, but there were no blits, just a bunch of aalines from SDL_gfx | 04:17 |
| javispedro | SDL_Flip at 800x480, 60 fps is impossible. | 04:18 |
| * Firebird takes a picture | 04:18 | |
| javispedro | it sends the whole screen. | 04:18 |
| javispedro | there's just not enough bandwidth. | 04:18 |
| lcuk | either way, firebird likes his speed | 04:18 |
| lcuk | liqbase can give it him | 04:18 |
| Firebird | javispedro, its processing 60fps, not sending all of it to the screen | 04:18 |
| lcuk | Firebird, watch the video | 04:19 |
| lcuk | note that i work extensively with vectors | 04:19 |
| zelrikriando | I feel the sdk of maemo is very big | 04:19 |
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| javispedro | "processing" as in "just writing to memory then" ;) ? | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I feel that the sdk of maemo contains too many 7s. | 04:19 |
| javispedro | 7s? | 04:19 |
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| Firebird | yep :P, I capped it at 60fps so I could play with it on my computer | 04:20 |
| Firebird | didn't bother changing it | 04:20 |
| lcuk | original liqbase tops 100fps i think in certain resolutions | 04:20 |
| javispedro | lcuk's way is currently the fastest to send things to the lcd afaik. | 04:20 |
| lcuk | i took out the resolution changes tho | 04:20 |
| Firebird | anyways, /me searches for a libliqbase api/doxygen | 04:21 |
| javispedro | heh. | 04:21 |
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| * javispedro hides | 04:21 | |
| Firebird | though, wouldn't using GL be better in devices that can? | 04:22 |
| javispedro | GLES, probably, esp. bigger things. | 04:23 |
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| * javispedro does not know much about the new device. lots of things still have to be decided about games, like how to kill the compositor. | 04:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | A long knife is best. | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Fire! | 04:24 |
| javispedro | With an axe, repeteadly over the screen. :) | 04:24 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: No, a spoon. | 04:24 |
| derf | It'll hurt more. | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | blunt spoon | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | blunt teaspoon? /me forgets. | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iOROuTuMA | 04:25 |
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| Texrat | little more life in here? | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 04:28 |
| Firebird | plenty | 04:28 |
| zerojayPC | This place is jumpin'. | 04:28 |
| Texrat | I need a vector Mer logo | 04:28 |
| Texrat | hey jay | 04:28 |
| Texrat | or jack | 04:28 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 04:28 |
| zerojayPC | It was too good to pass up. :) | 04:28 |
| Texrat | I claim Owen Wilson as an avatar | 04:28 |
| zerojayPC | Texrat: Might want to join #mer then. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, poke wazd tomorrow. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno if one ever ended up on the website. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But he should have it. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, /msg memoserv help | 04:29 |
| Texrat | except w/o the suicide attempt | 04:30 |
| Texrat | no one on @ mer | 04:30 |
| Texrat | ah well plenty to do until I can nab one | 04:30 |
| Texrat | ok you guys can help | 04:30 |
| Texrat | I am listing 3 examples of success for maemo community... | 04:30 |
| zerojayPC | Texrat: Sup? | 04:30 |
| Texrat | Mer, Nokia World engagement, and (fill in the blank) | 04:31 |
| Texrat | taking suggestions! | 04:31 |
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| Texrat | matt_c got upgraded | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org changeover and redesign? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Community Council? | 04:31 |
| Texrat | hmmm | 04:31 |
| Texrat | ! | 04:32 |
| Texrat | d'oh | 04:32 |
| Texrat | good one | 04:32 |
| Texrat | in fact s/b first in my list | 04:32 |
| Texrat | I love powerpoint 2007... is that perverted? | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Traitor. | 04:33 |
| Firebird | lcuk, where's the libliqbase source hiding | 04:33 |
| Texrat | o crap Ryan | 04:33 |
| Texrat | now I need a community council logo! | 04:33 |
| * Texrat plans to pound on timsamoff | 04:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we don't have one. | 04:34 |
| Texrat | I'll use that | 04:34 |
| zerojayPC | Texrat: How's the presentation going so far? | 04:34 |
| Texrat | niiice | 04:36 |
| Texrat | this thing is so slick (PPT2007) | 04:36 |
| Texrat | more play than work | 04:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sick, sick man. | 04:37 |
| Texrat | agreed | 04:37 |
| Texrat | I blame old age | 04:37 |
| Texrat | lol... just wonder what format the end result needs to be in | 04:37 |
| Texrat | "Ogg Presentation Format" | 04:38 |
| Texrat | :D | 04:38 |
| javispedro | ODP? | 04:38 |
| Texrat | hmmm | 04:38 |
| javispedro | I mean, OpenDocument Presentation. | 04:38 |
| Texrat | need translator then | 04:38 |
| javispedro | or else just a bunch of png files ;) | 04:38 |
| javispedro | (I actually used that once :) ) | 04:38 |
| Texrat | or PDF | 04:38 |
| Texrat | who here presented before? | 04:38 |
| Texrat | GA? | 04:39 |
| zelrikriando | it's possible that I would get maybe eventually the opportunity to have a sdk of maemo up and running tonight Oo | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not I. | 04:39 |
| Texrat | the council needs a logo... | 04:42 |
| Texrat | maybe a superset of maemo.org | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, facilitators should be less visible than that. ;) | 04:43 |
| zelrikriando | af-sb-init.sh start | 04:43 |
| zelrikriando | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 04:43 |
| zelrikriando | fail... | 04:43 |
| zelrikriando | :( | 04:43 |
| javispedro | zelrikriando, it's like you're reading the FAQ and posting here every question :) | 04:44 |
| javispedro | zelrikriando, nokia-binaries missing | 04:44 |
| zelrikriando | I just installed them | 04:44 |
| javispedro | for the armel target but not the x86 one | 04:44 |
| javispedro | or viceversa. | 04:44 |
| zelrikriando | what | 04:44 |
| javispedro | there are two sbox targets: one is for testing and debugging (x86) and the other one for compiling to the device(armel) | 04:45 |
| javispedro | you can switch between them in the sb-menu app. | 04:45 |
| javispedro | they're independent. they just share /home and that's about it. | 04:45 |
| javispedro | so if you install anything to x86 one, you have to then install that to the armel one. | 04:45 |
| Texrat | I am going to have a 770 to raffle off at the Summit...lol | 04:46 |
| Texrat | refurb | 04:46 |
| Texrat | wonder how many tickets I'll need... | 04:47 |
| Texrat | 3? 4? | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be a ride instead "The WSoD Experience" | 04:48 |
| Texrat | lol | 04:48 |
| Texrat | well it's all I have | 04:48 |
| zelrikriando | That s the longest install I have ever done | 04:48 |
| zelrikriando | I think | 04:48 |
| Texrat | here's a gift for the IRC gang: slide sneak preview (not one on the forum) | 04:49 |
| Texrat | http://www.cynicalsigns.com/images/dyn3.png | 04:49 |
| zelrikriando | I wonder how much space all that takes | 04:49 |
| zelrikriando | javispedro: I think I got the x86 one going now | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man that's one fat bastard there in the middle. | 04:50 |
| Texrat | lol | 04:50 |
| Texrat | by design ;) | 04:50 |
| javispedro | zelrikriando, it's nearly 750 MiB here for both targets and all debug symbols | 04:50 |
| Texrat | corporate fat cats | 04:50 |
| Texrat | heh | 04:50 |
| Texrat | gotta inject a little visual humor | 04:50 |
| Texrat | individuals are anorexic | 04:51 |
| Texrat | mostly Californian models | 04:51 |
| zelrikriando | omg | 04:53 |
| zelrikriando | it works! | 04:53 |
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| zelrikriando | Well it's all empty but at least I got the interface running | 04:54 |
| javispedro | :) | 04:54 |
| zelrikriando | is there a way to fill this emptyness | 04:55 |
| zelrikriando | :p | 04:55 |
| Texrat | congrats | 04:55 |
| Texrat | ok input time again | 04:55 |
| javispedro | zelrikriando, extras apps | 04:55 |
| Texrat | I need 2 bullets for Mer | 04:55 |
| Texrat | I have 1: | 04:55 |
| Texrat | "Driven by community with Nokia’s blessing | 04:56 |
| Texrat | " | 04:56 |
| Texrat | thoughts? | 04:56 |
| Texrat | for bullet 2 | 04:56 |
| * Texrat hears crickets chirp | 04:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds like Nokia allowed the project | 04:57 |
| msh_ | if all the mer devs get cheap n900s with the dev program, will mer keep going...? | 04:58 |
| Texrat | revision? | 04:58 |
| Texrat | mer will go on regardless | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it should imply that the project encouraged Nokia to open up their licensing and help the community build a stronger distro? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure. | 04:58 |
| msh_ | mer on 810 I guess | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps! :P | 04:58 |
| Texrat | ok, good suggestion | 04:58 |
| javispedro | msh_ some mer guys actually got free devices from another manufacturer | 04:59 |
| javispedro | iirc. | 04:59 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, thanks a bunch for the patch and assistance. | 05:00 |
| Texrat | besnson! | 05:00 |
| Texrat | ... | 05:00 |
| Texrat | slydexia | 05:00 |
| lcuk | im off to bed, gnite folks \o | 05:00 |
| javispedro | see ya | 05:00 |
| Texrat | night gary | 05:00 |
| lcuk | hey tr \o gn | 05:00 |
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| Texrat | hey benson you ol' dog | 05:00 |
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| Texrat | Ryan I'm using your suggestion as bullet 2 | 05:01 |
| argonel | what happens if i try to flash an initfs that is too big? | 05:01 |
| Texrat | may or may not revise bullet 1 | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You might talk about Mer eventually feeding into Maemo's development. | 05:01 |
| Texrat | ooo | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idea being a distribution that will help the long-term viability of Maemo. | 05:02 |
| javispedro | argonel, sky falls. cats and dogs living together. | 05:02 |
| Texrat | mostly speculation at this point tho... | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Maemo has way too many Maemo-isms as it stands now to have any of that. | 05:02 |
| argonel | javispedro: i was hoping for a less global error message :p | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's either "learn from Mer or die" | 05:02 |
| Texrat | that's pretty global arlght | 05:02 |
| Texrat | true | 05:02 |
| Texrat | Jay you still on? | 05:04 |
| benson | Hi all. | 05:05 |
| Texrat | yo... zer0... | 05:05 |
| Texrat | lol...benson woke up | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highlights help, Texrat. ;) | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | zero<tab> | 05:05 |
| Texrat | crap I forgot all that | 05:05 |
| benson | what's up? | 05:05 |
| * Texrat slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout | 05:06 | |
| benson | I'm not the benson on maemo.org. This is another benson :) | 05:06 |
| Texrat | oh...lol | 05:06 |
| Texrat | imposter! | 05:06 |
| * Texrat slaps benson around a bit with a large trout | 05:06 | |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 05:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia really needs a real Maemo logo. | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | People keep mutilating the maemo.org one. | 05:07 |
| Texrat | you mean a graphic? | 05:08 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, they have one already. the one using the photoshop 3d effect ;) | 05:08 |
| Texrat | rather than clever text? | 05:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles shudders. | 05:08 | |
| Texrat | bring back the raccoon thingie! | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something that's identifiable as Maemo. | 05:08 |
| Texrat | nothign is identifiable as maemo | 05:08 |
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| Texrat | there is no identity | 05:09 |
| vladovg | hi | 05:09 |
| vladovg | have queston | 05:09 |
| Texrat | maybe a mushroom cloud? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much like S60 has one http://www.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/designedfors60.jpg | 05:09 |
| johnx | I think someone should photoshop the scary old Nokia fish to include the Maemo text and we should just link people to that | 05:09 |
| javispedro | shoot queston. | 05:09 |
| Texrat | nice! | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, they're pushing Maemo pretty hard as a brand in all of the new marketing. | 05:09 |
| Texrat | great idea John | 05:09 |
| Texrat | agreed... | 05:09 |
| vladovg | batteri tray icon stop showing det the device is charging | 05:09 |
| Texrat | but still no identity | 05:09 |
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| * javispedro likes the "Mameo" typo. | 05:10 | |
| Texrat | I picture an M in a circle... like Registered trademark or copyright... | 05:10 |
| Texrat | lol... a Texas brand | 05:10 |
| javispedro | You wouldn't want to know what it means in spanish. | 05:11 |
| Texrat | aw come on javis | 05:11 |
| Texrat | tell | 05:11 |
| vladovg | stey on 50% plug in the charger indikeiting thet the device is charging buth no indicaishan on tray icon | 05:11 |
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| zerojayPC | Texrat: Sorry, was playing Quake Live. What's up? | 05:11 |
| vladovg | kan som one help my | 05:11 |
| Texrat | ... | 05:11 |
| Texrat | vladovg, have you tried another charger? | 05:11 |
| vladovg | its not from the charger | 05:12 |
| Texrat | have you riuled it out? | 05:12 |
| Texrat | ruled* | 05:12 |
| vladovg | ay charg the device twice after the problem show | 05:12 |
| Texrat | if not charger, battery next | 05:12 |
| zerojayPC | Leave your tablet sitting on your desk for a few months. | 05:12 |
| Texrat | lol | 05:12 |
| zerojayPC | It will come back to life. lol | 05:12 |
| vladovg | haah | 05:13 |
| Texrat | some have frozen theirs | 05:13 |
| vladovg | it s not funni | 05:13 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:13 |
| * Texrat slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout | 05:13 | |
| Texrat | I got him for ya | 05:13 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 05:13 |
| Texrat | Jay one of your quotes leads off a presentation section | 05:13 |
| johnx | vladovg, Have you tried reflashing? | 05:14 |
| vladovg | no | 05:14 |
| Texrat | try it | 05:14 |
| vladovg | ay don t wont to flash | 05:14 |
| Texrat | but there's a troubleshooting sequence: | 05:14 |
| vladovg | hawe a lot of applets set up | 05:14 |
| Texrat | charger, battery, OS, device | 05:14 |
| Texrat | backup | 05:14 |
| vladovg | 21 wick of testing and setting | 05:14 |
| Texrat | backup, reflash, done maybe | 05:15 |
| vladovg | ai hawe back up | 05:15 |
| Texrat | but be aware I have encountered flaky tablet batteries | 05:15 |
| vladovg | but its jus the pim | 05:15 |
| vladovg | the original beckup applet from the tablet | 05:15 |
| vladovg | batteri is good | 05:16 |
| Texrat | ok | 05:16 |
| Texrat | well, I'd go with what Johnx said | 05:16 |
| vladovg | onli the trai dos not show charging | 05:16 |
| vladovg | but the batteri is charging | 05:16 |
| Texrat | if you have a backup you will be guided through app reinstall after reflash | 05:16 |
| vladovg | :( | 05:17 |
| vladovg | nooo | 05:17 |
| vladovg | :( | 05:17 |
| Texrat | welll...21 more weeks of testing? | 05:17 |
| vladovg | 2 weeks | 05:17 |
| johnx | isn't there a replacement battery applet? | 05:17 |
| Texrat | yes | 05:17 |
| vladovg | yes | 05:17 |
| Texrat | better in fact | 05:17 |
| vladovg | wat is name | 05:17 |
| Texrat | I forget | 05:18 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:18 |
| johnx | pybattery maybe? | 05:18 |
| javispedro | Texrat: well, considering I would say the word comes from the latin mamma (breast), I hope you understand I don't want to explicit the meaning :) | 05:18 |
| Texrat | should be in apps under utilities | 05:18 |
| Texrat | javis i assumed as much ;) | 05:18 |
| Texrat | last time I was on here it was all devs...this is better ;) | 05:19 |
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| vladovg | can some one giv mi URL to the applet :) | 05:22 |
| zerojayPC | Texrat: Oh yeah? Hope it's a good quote. I'm scared. lol | 05:24 |
| zerojayPC | I say some fucked up shit sometimes, so... | 05:25 |
| Texrat | one you left on the blog | 05:25 |
| Texrat | no, it was pretty sanitary | 05:25 |
| zerojayPC | Ah, okay. | 05:25 |
| Texrat | about quantifying success | 05:25 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah... thats a good place to start at. | 05:26 |
| Texrat | well, not the actual start | 05:29 |
| Texrat | you're closer to the end :p | 05:29 |
| Texrat | I start with the history | 05:29 |
| zerojayPC | Whatever. ;) | 05:29 |
| Texrat | lol | 05:29 |
| Texrat | well you come before Tim at least | 05:29 |
| Texrat | and Anssi Vanjokki | 05:30 |
| Texrat | who is one cool Finn | 05:30 |
| Texrat | lol... wait til you see the "battle of the talk.maemo.org search terms" | 05:31 |
| javispedro | hey, I saw that. | 05:33 |
| javispedro | how can "Android" be so high on the list? | 05:33 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:33 |
| vladovg | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=24905 | 05:33 |
| Texrat | you didn't see this one javis | 05:33 |
| vladovg | worcks great | 05:33 |
| vladovg | thanks veri mach | 05:34 |
| Texrat | good to hear vlad | 05:34 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:34 |
| javispedro | Texrat, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php seen the tag cloud? | 05:34 |
| vladovg | so its original applet problem | 05:34 |
| Texrat | not yet javis, thanks | 05:34 |
| javispedro | just a funny thing to watch, nothing interesting :) | 05:35 |
| javispedro | I can't believe android appears bigger than n900 tag there. | 05:35 |
| vladovg | mai bi from some soft det ay am install | 05:35 |
| vladovg | BTW | 05:35 |
| vladovg | android sux | 05:35 |
| vladovg | have G1 | 05:35 |
| vladovg | fucking Jawa | 05:35 |
| vladovg | is shit | 05:35 |
| vladovg | fo now | 05:35 |
| Texrat | yeah for Android to beat terms like debian and especially maemo...lol | 05:36 |
| vladovg | BTW again | 05:36 |
| Luke-Jr | vladovg: Android may suck, but it seems to be more open than Maemo | 05:36 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:36 |
| Texrat | really? | 05:36 |
| * javispedro runs before the flames start. | 05:36 | |
| Texrat | lol | 05:36 |
| vladovg | google my frend | 05:36 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:36 |
| javispedro | well, gnite folks :) | 05:36 |
| Luke-Jr | AFAIK, the main problem with Android is firmware locking | 05:36 |
| Texrat | go enjoy some mameos | 05:37 |
| vladovg | mani | 05:37 |
| vladovg | thets not so big problem | 05:37 |
| javispedro | lol Texrat =) | 05:37 |
| javispedro | good luck with the presentation :) | 05:37 |
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| vladovg | http://forum.pocketbulgaria.com/ | 05:37 |
| Texrat | thanks, but what I really need is skill! lol | 05:37 |
| vladovg | bulgarian comuniti | 05:37 |
| vladovg | :) | 05:37 |
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| vladovg | from 2004 | 05:37 |
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| vladovg | ( the them is crapi just update the phbb | 05:38 |
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| * zerojayPC stirs awake. | 05:57 | |
| Texrat | yawn | 05:57 |
| Texrat | jay are you actually awake | 05:59 |
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| zerojayPC | Yeah | 06:00 |
| Texrat | did you see this slide | 06:00 |
| Texrat | http://www.cynicalsigns.com/images/dyn3.png | 06:00 |
| argonel | is there a manpage around for text2screen? | 06:01 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I saw it when you posted it earlier. | 06:01 |
| Texrat | the goal ;) | 06:01 |
| Texrat | I have 3 stages: the origin, current and perfect state | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect state is where we all get free OMAP4 devices all of the time. | 06:02 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:02 |
| Texrat | relatively perfect state | 06:02 |
| zerojayPC | That's bonerific. | 06:02 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:02 |
| zerojayPC | You know, I just realized something. | 06:03 |
| Texrat | and you sir are one sick canuck | 06:03 |
| zerojayPC | I think the N900 is actually more powerful than my current desktop PC. | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there any other kind? | 06:03 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's your current desktop PC? | 06:03 |
| zerojayPC | Eh... | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I KNOW it's more powerful than mine. | 06:03 |
| zerojayPC | Lemme see here... | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since mine's, apparently, still filled with coolant. | 06:03 |
| Texrat | mine = homebuilt dual opteron workstation | 06:03 |
| Texrat | outdated | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish the i7s came in dual-CPU versions. | 06:04 |
| Texrat | but man do I love this beastly silverstone case | 06:04 |
| zerojayPC | Mine was an outdated piece of shit when I bought it for $200 at Futureshop (Best Buy) 3 years ago. | 06:04 |
| Texrat | dude | 06:04 |
| Texrat | never buy | 06:04 |
| Texrat | build | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 should be vaguely similar to a PIII. | 06:04 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, building's great when you have the time to shop and have the cash to look all over. I didn't have those luxeries at that time. | 06:05 |
| zerojayPC | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) D CPU 3.20GHz | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 06:05 |
| zerojayPC | ~6000 bigomips. | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That kick's the N900's ass. | 06:06 |
| Texrat | I hear ya jay | 06:06 |
| Texrat | I just buy here and there and build whwn I have it all | 06:06 |
| zerojayPC | My work PC runs Windows on a dual P4 or something and the thing is slow as shit. Even running just notepad, I routinely outtype the piece of shit. Ugh. | 06:06 |
| Texrat | but prob is I still have old unused PCs lying around...lol | 06:07 |
| zerojayPC | I had an emergency when I bought this one. Needed something right away. | 06:07 |
| Texrat | yeah | 06:07 |
| Texrat | after my last Compaq I just swore never again | 06:07 |
| Texrat | Oh goddam I have got to get out of where I'm workign now | 06:07 |
| Texrat | arrrrggg | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=319883#post319883 tl;dr | 06:08 |
| Texrat | I miss the mothership :( | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | I normally have an attention span long enough to read that article but almost as soon as I saw the website it was on, my brain was suffering from massive fatigue. | 06:08 |
| Texrat | shit I can't get that link | 06:09 |
| Texrat | got it... oh hell yeah I agree | 06:09 |
| zerojayPC | Verbal diarrhea | 06:09 |
| zerojayPC | I got about 10 lines in, stared at my screen and just said "..........FUCK." | 06:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Symbian Freak's web design makes it look like one of those Chinese spam sites. | 06:11 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, no kidding. I won't claim to be the bastian of web design myself, but shit. | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's acts like a troll more than anything else on Talk. | 06:12 |
| zerojayPC | Proof that I don't care much for web design: http://www.zerojay.com/wp/ | 06:12 |
| zerojayPC | (Reactivated my previous theme.) | 06:13 |
| zerojayPC | Just for a few minutes. | 06:13 |
| zerojayPC | Have fun. ;P | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 06:14 |
| zerojayPC | I switched it for something a little more... traditionally browsable... but I love it. | 06:15 |
| carboncopy | excuse me, but what time is the Nokia World 09 launch and is there any live web cast? | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | Spambots get VERY confused. | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | 9am CET and yes on the Nokia world site. | 06:15 |
| carboncopy | thanks | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | 9am CET = 3am EST, unfortunately. | 06:15 |
| zerojayPC | :/ | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, partay! | 06:16 |
| zerojayPC | Some people use the command line on my site to leave messages or make confessions. lol | 06:16 |
| carboncopy | 9am+7 for me so that would be 4pm UTC+8 | 06:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori, are you here to start the announcements early just for #maemo? :D | 06:17 |
| konttori | lol! | 06:17 |
| konttori | Checking some details before leaving to the airport | 06:17 |
| zerojayPC | No way I'm staying up until 3am... especially when I have to wake up at 6am. | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | Of course, I say that now. | 06:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, might drop "Website" from the maemo.nokia.com and maemo.org products? | 06:19 |
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| Texrat | hey konttori!!! | 06:19 |
| Texrat | aw missed him | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's here pretty often. | 06:20 |
| zerojayPC | He's always here. lol | 06:20 |
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| zerojayPC | See? | 06:20 |
| Texrat | there he is | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | See! | 06:20 |
| Texrat | hey konttori | 06:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles mutters obscenities about this slow machine. | 06:20 | |
| zerojayPC | Then again, I'm almost always here now too.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3878795833/ | 06:20 |
| Texrat | I need to be more often | 06:21 |
| Texrat | if i can just get away from my fucked up job | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | irssi | 06:21 |
| zerojayPC | I just leave my tablet online all day. | 06:21 |
| Texrat | my boss is nosy and paranoid | 06:21 |
| zerojayPC | I get weird people asking me what I'm playing on my DS all day though. | 06:21 |
| Texrat | the place sucks | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, the Internet! | 06:22 |
| Texrat | I applied for jobs with Nokia and NSN... | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | My bosses pretty much let me do as I please. Hard to be strict when you make games for a living. lol | 06:22 |
| Texrat | yeah | 06:22 |
| Texrat | I manage software and hardware updates now...yippee | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | 43 hearts | 06:23 |
| Texrat | ? | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim's gonna get so much karma from that jailbreak post. | 06:23 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:23 |
| zerojayPC | I'm going to be evaluating Transifex for Maemo at the same time as for my workplace... so no one can complain. ;) | 06:23 |
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| zerojayPC | Quim's karma jumped like 1000 points in a week. | 06:23 |
| Texrat | yeah I'm lagging now | 06:24 |
| Texrat | fell back to page 2 | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby passed me in Thanks! | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to pander more. | 06:24 |
| Texrat | mostly for comic relief | 06:24 |
| Texrat | the guy IS funny | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's totally going to bring down the dignity of the council if he gets elected. ;) | 06:25 |
| Texrat | but this new Jay Black guy is good for some yucks too :p | 06:25 |
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| Texrat | shit my eyes are straining... no more presentation work tonight | 06:26 |
| Texrat | question: | 06:27 |
| Texrat | "If your only interface to the community is volunteer(s), are you doing something wrong?" | 06:27 |
| Texrat | ? | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Elaborate? | 06:27 |
| Texrat | that's it | 06:27 |
| Texrat | s/b provocative enough | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, whose only interface? | 06:27 |
| Texrat | ah... in this case corporate | 06:28 |
| Texrat | goood question | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | And I'm not sure what's provocative. | 06:28 |
| Texrat | ? | 06:28 |
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| Texrat | you stay in that mode so your personal threshold is too high :p | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | In summary, I dun get it. | 06:29 |
| Texrat | hmmm | 06:29 |
| Texrat | pk, well, that could be useful feedback as well | 06:29 |
| Texrat | if the only engagement a company has with a supporting community is via volunteers, is the company doing something wrong by not having any sort of official rep? | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, in Nokia's case we have Quim and Daniel. | 06:31 |
| Texrat | may be a better statement | 06:31 |
| Texrat | we do NOW | 06:31 |
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| Texrat | what you don't know is that wehn i first tried to drag Quim in he balked ;) | 06:31 |
| Texrat | we had an interesting lunch over the topic...lol | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT was the club in that alley downtown where all of the weird people hung out. | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't say I blame him. :D | 06:32 |
| Texrat | but in hindsight it was all about Nokia conservatism | 06:32 |
| Texrat | lol... you have no idea how close that is to his words :D | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why I think the S60 cause so much damage. | 06:32 |
| Texrat | good point | 06:33 |
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| zerojayPC | Daniel whom? | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | S60 _people _in Maemo Devices_ | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wilms | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's Quim's counterpart on the technical side of things. | 06:33 |
| zerojayPC | Really? | 06:33 |
| zerojayPC | I had no idea. | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, been on the job for a while now. | 06:33 |
| Texrat | Quim is in an interesting position in Nokia | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although he's a lot less active than Quim, unfortunately. | 06:33 |
| Texrat | no direct reports | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd hate his job. | 06:34 |
| Texrat | a LOT of indirect ones | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rock and a hard place. | 06:34 |
| Texrat | it can be thanksless | 06:34 |
| Texrat | thankless | 06:34 |
| Texrat | yes | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although I think he's better off than the unofficial Nokians who hang around. | 06:34 |
| Texrat | man did I piss him off when we first encountered each other...lol | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since he's actually enabled. | 06:34 |
| zerojayPC | Really? | 06:34 |
| Texrat | does that count for ex Nokians? | 06:34 |
| Texrat | :p | 06:34 |
| Texrat | I was partially enabled...lol | 06:35 |
| Texrat | sigh | 06:35 |
| zerojayPC | How did you manage to piss him off? | 06:35 |
| Texrat | I asked what I thoguht was an innocent question... | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . by Nokia to respond officially. | 06:35 |
| Texrat | on mailing list | 06:35 |
| Texrat | "what CAN we tell the community" | 06:36 |
| Texrat | hoo boy | 06:36 |
| Texrat | it was premature | 06:36 |
| Texrat | in hindsight: use single address email | 06:36 |
| Texrat | ;) | 06:36 |
| Texrat | when he invited me to Ruhoalahti <sp> I was scared shitless | 06:36 |
| Texrat | he's such an intense guy | 06:37 |
| zerojayPC | He does have those eyes THAT PIERCE YOUR SOUL. | 06:37 |
| zerojayPC | Mac gets cracked in 10 seconds.. lol | 06:38 |
| Luke-Jr | Hi. | 06:38 |
| Macer | hm | 06:38 |
| Macer | another day | 06:39 |
| Macer | abiword is actually pretty good for what it is | 06:41 |
| Macer | although i can't print from it straight off the tablet :( | 06:41 |
| Texrat | sad but true | 06:41 |
| Macer | Texrat: i was hoping someone could make a cups/hildon ver | 06:41 |
| Macer | for maemo4 before maemo is discontinued ;) | 06:41 |
| Texrat | someone was trying... | 06:42 |
| Texrat | I'll bet it ends up in Mer | 06:42 |
| Texrat | bluetooth printing | 06:42 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: Maemo 4 has been discontinued for a LONG time | 06:42 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: maybe maemo4 itself | 06:42 |
| Macer | but some people are still working on its apps | 06:43 |
| Macer | Texrat: i have a cups deb | 06:43 |
| Macer | it works great | 06:43 |
| Macer | all it really needs is an abiword with cups support :) | 06:43 |
| Texrat | ah | 06:43 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: come help me move | 06:43 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: haha | 06:43 |
| Macer | ask one of your 10 kids | 06:43 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to go back to sleep as he's awake at 5am | 06:43 | |
| Macer | Stskeeps: don't take this the wrong way | 06:44 |
| Macer | but... you are just married | 06:44 |
| Macer | you should be having sex now | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I need to move tomorrow, not in 8 years | 06:44 |
| Macer | put the irc down | 06:44 |
| Macer | and prioritize | 06:44 |
| * Texrat slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout | 06:44 | |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: sex is midnight to 4 AM | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | not 5 AM | 06:44 |
| Texrat | Carsten | 06:44 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: pfft | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn Texrat :) | 06:44 |
| Texrat | I need a Mer vector graphic | 06:44 |
| zerojayPC | Yet another great reason for Nokia to go with T-Mobile: http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/09/rob-connor-of-charleston-sc-watches-his-bills-carefully-so-hes-pretty-steamed-that-soon-hes-going-to-have-to-pay-for-th.html | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, 3 hours or so 'til Nokia World. | 06:45 |
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| Texrat | can you email me one to texrat@ovi.com? | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: check wiki /Mer/Aerwork | 06:45 |
| Texrat | ah | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: check wiki /Mer/Artwork | 06:45 |
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| Texrat | wiki needs better nav structure | 06:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles tried. | 06:45 | |
| Stskeeps | sorry, i'm tablet-mostly these days, moving so :P | 06:46 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: LOL? | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I gave up trying to slot 10 articles a day into the structure. | 06:46 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: wtf does he think T-Mobile is? Internet access | 06:46 |
| Texrat | I know you did GA | 06:47 |
| Texrat | hey you guys vote on my website bug dammit | 06:47 |
| Texrat | 2 friggin votes | 06:47 |
| Texrat | feh | 06:47 |
| Firebird | linkage? | 06:47 |
| Texrat | hang on | 06:47 |
| Texrat | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4959 | 06:48 |
| Texrat | vote and COMMENT | 06:48 |
| Texrat | you get karma :p | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, shit. | 06:49 |
| Texrat | ? | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still need to prod people about doing a content cleanup sprint before October. | 06:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 06:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | So much to do, so little time. | 06:49 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:49 |
| Texrat | I am trying to help more | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Missed the sprint meeting this morning. | 06:50 |
| Texrat | convinced wife it's all for Amsterdam trip | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hadn't been able to attend for so long I completely forgot about it. | 06:50 |
| Texrat | she know I need to go and lobby for another job with Nokia ...lol | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're going to end up having to move your whole family to Helsinki. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you're going to freeze to death. | 06:51 |
| Texrat | I had an offer but she won't move | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't say I blame her. | 06:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles is Florida through and through. | 06:51 | |
| Texrat | Nokia managers in san diego, helsinki and Mountain view wanted me | 06:51 |
| Texrat | :( | 06:51 |
| Texrat | I'd go | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it gets below 40-degrees I die. | 06:51 |
| Texrat | I love helsinki | 06:51 |
| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: hey, I should stop by when I'm in FL! | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: K? | 06:51 |
| Texrat | not so cold there | 06:51 |
| Texrat | shit I was walkign Helsinki streets in mid winter | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, F. :D | 06:52 |
| zerojayPC | Quebec gets about as cold as Helsinki, I believe. | 06:53 |
| zerojayPC | Might even get more snow. | 06:53 |
| Texrat | it really isn't so bad | 06:53 |
| zerojayPC | I prefer the cold anyways. | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moving 200 miles north in Florida nearly did me in. | 06:53 |
| Texrat | you ought to see those Finns attack the street snow | 06:53 |
| Texrat | holy shit they're fast | 06:53 |
| Luke-Jr | Finns are penguin-human hybrids, right? | 06:53 |
| Texrat | ... | 06:53 |
| Texrat | maybe I'll say Suomi ;) | 06:54 |
| Luke-Jr | is that penguin language? | 06:54 |
| Texrat | ...... | 06:54 |
| timoph | Luke-Jr: that's us Finns :) | 06:54 |
| Texrat | Yeah Timo is a good common Finnish name | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | [22:54:49] ⁂ You have kicked theholyduck from the channel (Finns are penguin-human hybrids that say Suomi. you must say Suomi too. crazy norwegian.). | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | my tribute to Suomi | 06:55 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:55 |
| zerojayPC | I have no real idea of what "Finnish" really means. | 06:55 |
| zerojayPC | So I just think of Nokia as a giant company of Dudesons. | 06:56 |
| Texrat | Finn was a famous Celtic myth hero ;) | 06:56 |
| zerojayPC | And if you don't know the Dudesons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqFK9LZ14A | 06:56 |
| Luke-Jr | why does English make entirely new labels for countries/languages that have absolutely nothing in common with that country/language's real name? | 06:56 |
| Texrat | try reading the kalevala... very wild | 06:57 |
| Texrat | Finnish mythology | 06:57 |
| Luke-Jr | is that like the Dofboh? | 06:57 |
| Texrat | Luke I'm sure there's a common root | 06:57 |
| Texrat | the celts were all over back then | 06:58 |
| Luke-Jr | really? I just made that name up from thin air. | 06:58 |
| Texrat | ... | 06:58 |
| Texrat | not that | 06:58 |
| Luke-Jr | o | 06:58 |
| * Luke-Jr is in an interesting mood tonight. | 06:58 | |
| Texrat | we;ll be the judge of that | 06:58 |
| Luke-Jr | nou | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: All countries do that | 06:59 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: why? | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: because back in the day - there was no google earth. | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: The country got named after whatever the guy that went there and came back said it was called. | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And after that, you know what it's called - and it's only wierdos in foreign lands that insist you're wrong, and you can ignore them. | 07:01 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 07:01 |
| Texrat | lol | 07:01 |
| * Luke-Jr rejects this tradition. | 07:01 | |
| derf | Ergo, "Japan". | 07:01 |
| Luke-Jr | derf: Nippon* | 07:02 |
| Texrat | yay another vote for my bug | 07:02 |
| Texrat | thank you, anonymous voter | 07:02 |
| derf | Not even the Japanese call it that anymore. | 07:02 |
| Luke-Jr | what? O.o | 07:02 |
| derf | It's Nihon now. | 07:02 |
| Luke-Jr | Nihonjin* | 07:02 |
| Luke-Jr | Nihonjin don't use the formal term? | 07:02 |
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| derf | Maybe if they want to look stuck up and/or old. | 07:03 |
| derf | But not in everyday conversation, no. | 07:03 |
| Luke-Jr | hum | 07:03 |
| Luke-Jr | I think the most usage I've heard recently was in Code Geass :þ | 07:04 |
| Luke-Jr | usually people don't talk about Nihon | 07:04 |
| derf | I mean, where the hell do you think the "Nihon" in "Nihonjin" comes from? | 07:05 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 07:05 |
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| derf | No, thanks. | 07:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Live in 2:45. http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 07:15 |
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| oilinki | arg. that website shrinks my browser window when selecting the speakers times | 07:20 |
| Texrat | no way I can stay up that late | 07:21 |
| Texrat | in fact I must say good night | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later. | 07:21 |
| Texrat | later all | 07:22 |
| oilinki | GeneralAntilles: what timezone? | 07:22 |
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| johnx | gwah. 2h45m not 2m45s | 07:22 |
| johnx | hmm | 07:22 |
| johnx | I might do it anyways :> | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | oilinki, 3AM EST | 07:22 |
| oilinki | argh.. live in (not at) | 07:22 |
| oilinki | so goog morning everyone.. still drinking my morning coffee :) | 07:22 |
| johnx | also: in firefox, turn off the thing that lets js shrink windows | 07:23 |
| johnx | in another browser: use firefox | 07:23 |
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| oilinki | johnx: done. I'm using noscript for most of the sites, but nokia.com was enabled. therefore shrinking windows does not happen so often. | 07:25 |
| johnx | yeah, whenever I end up reinstalling I always forget to turn it off until it happens at the most annoying time | 07:25 |
| oilinki | is there something really new coming out today at nokia world? | 07:26 |
| johnx | I expect more hands on with the N900 | 07:27 |
| johnx | the "announcement" for it the other day seems like the hype-builder for "Nokia World" | 07:28 |
| oilinki | that's true. | 07:28 |
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| zerojayPC | Peter@Maemo said there's about 100 people walking around with N900s right now there at Nokia World. | 07:31 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 07:31 |
| johnx | very cool | 07:31 |
| zerojayPC | http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo/status/3704848286 | 07:32 |
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| johnx | "...spokepersons equipped to show a little Maemo magic." >_< | 07:33 |
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| ReKlipz1 | Hey all. Has anyone put any work into getting a device bootable Android on the n810? | 07:41 |
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| johnx | google: nitdroid | 07:41 |
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| ReKlipz1 | johnx: thank you very much. I assume the things that are / are not working are the same as those that the chroot'd "android" support? | 07:44 |
| johnx | I wouldn't necessarily say that | 07:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | why is that? | 07:45 |
| johnx | chrooting from maemo gets things setup in a certain way that would be a lot different than if you were really booting straight into android | 07:46 |
| ReKlipz1 | are you thinking that chroot would have more support than booting "android" | 07:47 |
| johnx | I'm not entirely sure how they have it setup, but assuming it works the same in both cases isn't really a safe bet I would think | 07:47 |
| ReKlipz1 | I understand | 07:47 |
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| ReKlipz1 | also, I thought android was an open source / community contributed project | 07:47 |
| johnx | uhm, I didn't say that, and I don't really know which one works out better, because I've never used it | 07:47 |
| ReKlipz1 | why can't nitdroid contribute directly to the project? | 07:47 |
| johnx | how many corporate based open source projects have you contributed code to? (I'm trying to figure out how to answer this in a way that makes sense, not trying to talk down to you.) | 07:49 |
| ReKlipz1 | I like to think I'm fairly familiar with them. I've contributed quite a bit in the sense of feedback (bug reports and the associated), but not necessarily code to be committed to a repository. I'm not sure what exactly constitutes as corporate based. | 07:50 |
| ReKlipz1 | I've used Java. | 07:51 |
| ReKlipz1 | :) | 07:51 |
| ReKlipz1 | also, I just realized there is a #nitdroid, so sorry for not directing my questions there first | 07:51 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 07:51 | |
| johnx | to get your code accepted it has to be 1) of high quality 2) that fits in well to the project 3) doesn't break anything | 07:51 |
| ReKlipz1 | alright, I see where you're going | 07:52 |
| johnx | so, my guess is that they had to make a couple changes for the N8x0 that don't work well/at all for other hardware platforms, OR they only really changed code outside the core of Android to make Android boot | 07:52 |
| johnx | and the Android guys probably aren't willing to put in the effort to maintain an N8x0 port | 07:53 |
| johnx | OR they just didn't have the energy to clean everything up nice and try and make the case to upstream | 07:53 |
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| ReKlipz1 | gotcha | 07:53 |
| johnx | though, yeah, ask them :) | 07:53 |
| ReKlipz1 | one final question (moving away from nitdroid) | 07:54 |
| ReKlipz1 | ? | 07:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ReKlipz1: mozilla/firefox - forex | 07:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Or powertop | 07:54 |
| ReKlipz1 | hmm... | 07:55 |
| ReKlipz1 | the Linux Kernel itself? | 07:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | (just trying to figure where the line gets drawn) | 07:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | Maemo? Debian? | 07:56 |
| zerojayPC | ? | 07:56 |
| johnx | sorry, what are you asking? | 07:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | ? | 07:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | corporate based foss | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus_ | ReKlipz1, you didn't ask anything. | 07:57 |
| * zerojayPC syntax error | 07:57 | |
| johnx | ah, well, the Linux kernel would be another great example of someplace it's hard to get patches :) | 07:57 |
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| slonopotamus | zerojayPC, same here | 07:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | SpeedEvil: gave examples of co. based foss, and I was trying to determine where foss that I was familiar with fell in relation | 07:58 |
| ReKlipz1 | it's irrelevant | 07:58 |
| zerojayPC | mmkay | 07:59 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, similar to mozilla while it was still a netscape project maybe | 07:59 |
| RST38h | Eclipse! Eclipse! | 08:00 |
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| ReKlipz1 | yeah, pretty much any java app that has any inkling of merit I would think (JBoss, Hibernate, Apache *, ...) | 08:01 |
| johnx | except it's really Google's project. whereas the Linux kernel has lots of people tugging it in different directions | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No this is an expensive phone http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/samsung-omnia-2-pre-order-page-now-live-tempting-you-with-debt/ | 08:03 |
| RST38h | Apache is not a Java app | 08:04 |
| ReKlipz1 | yeah, I would just think Google would be all for porting Android as much as possible, regardless of the state (within reason, not giving Android a bad rap). | 08:04 |
| zerojayPC | They aren't. | 08:04 |
| ReKlipz1 | RST38h: * == wildcard, from a subset of Apache techs. Namely Apache Struts | 08:04 |
| ReKlipz1 | Apache Ant | 08:04 |
| zerojayPC | THat's part of the reason why Android is set up the way it is. | 08:04 |
| RST38h | ReKlipz1: Struts is not Apache and is not a technology | 08:05 |
| ReKlipz1 | Struts is apache | 08:05 |
| ReKlipz1 | http://struts.apache.org/ | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Struts is a "solution" i.e. unless you need it, you have no idea what it does or is (and reading a book does not help) | 08:05 |
| ReKlipz1 | I disagree.. reading a book can help. | 08:06 |
| ReKlipz1 | agreed on the terminology, sorry | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Book on Struts is pretty useless | 08:06 |
| * RST38h tried, did not understand a thing | 08:06 | |
| ReKlipz1 | for you perhaps | 08:06 |
| * zerojayPC taps out, can't stay up waiting on Nokia World any longer. | 08:07 | |
| ReKlipz1 | honestly, books on solutions in general don't work | 08:07 |
| * zerojayPC snores. | 08:07 | |
| * Stskeeps passes caffeine shots around | 08:07 | |
| RST38h | For me and for at least one friend of mine | 08:07 |
| ReKlipz1 | they don't work for me either | 08:07 |
| RST38h | I am a CS PhD and he heads a software company | 08:07 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: is that more or less a n900 with no keyb? | 08:07 |
| ReKlipz1 | but I'm not about to say they don't work for anyone | 08:07 |
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| RST38h | Neither of us has got any idea what Struts is =) | 08:07 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 08:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I used it earlier today to hold up a tarpaulin. | 08:08 |
| RST38h | Did it work? =) | 08:08 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it fell down. | 08:08 |
| slonopotamus | it's just action-based web ramework, nothing special. | 08:08 |
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| slonopotamus | s/ra/fra/ | 08:08 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: it's just action-based web framework, nothing special. | 08:08 |
| ReKlipz1 | noice! | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, not even close. | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM11 | 08:09 |
| kirma | generalantilles: pre-order list price for N900 is 999.99 euros on .fi web shop... but they always put that as the preordering price for sub-1000 euro products that they can't price in advance | 08:09 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Figures. | 08:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns. | 08:10 | |
| * GeneralAntilles can do it. | 08:10 | |
| ReKlipz1 | what's the n900 running? | 08:10 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: Isn't....mmm...CGI enough? :) | 08:10 |
| RST38h | ReKlipz: CortexA8 | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, OMAP3430 | 08:10 |
| ReKlipz1 | cort... thought so | 08:11 |
| ReKlipz1 | sounds pretty... awesome | 08:11 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, even asm is turing-complete. | 08:11 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: that too, but still, isn't CGI enough? | 08:11 |
| RST38h | I mean, it has got actions, it has got arguments... | 08:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-n900-various-colours/dp/B0000C4GEU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1251868326&sr=8-1 | 08:12 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, cgi sucks under high load 'cause of per-request forking | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | slonopotamus: that depends on how your server is treating it | 08:13 |
| ReKlipz1 | RST38h: CGI might be enough | 08:13 |
| ReKlipz1 | but, that depends on the other solutions you are using | 08:14 |
| kirma | generalantilles: wasn't it 3420? | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, no. | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | 3430 | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3420 lacks a DSP | 08:14 |
| RST38h | You have been looking for 3420 yesterday though | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | or maybe a PowerVR | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | One or the other. | 08:14 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, pure cgi works via forking | 08:14 |
| ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: wikipedia claims near equivalence | 08:15 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: again, CGI just defines how data is passed to the server | 08:15 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: has nothing to do with forking | 08:15 |
| kirma | wikipedia page is incorrect then if it lacs the DSP | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, ARM11 vs Cortex A8? | 08:15 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, next problem - one process per request | 08:15 |
| ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: 3420 vs 3430 | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, ah, wait, OMAP3420 has a smaller framebuffer. | 08:15 |
| ReKlipz1 | wikipedia says both have PowerVR and DSP | 08:15 |
| ReKlipz1 | =) | 08:15 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, so threading is required | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3410 lacks the PowerVR | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3503 lacks both. | 08:16 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: I do not see this as a problem | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, framebuffers on OMAP3420 are VGA/QVGA | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead of XGA/VGA | 08:16 |
| ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: those guys are using that stacked chip BGA stuff, right? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone start a thread on /opt yet? :P | 08:16 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: Unless you meant "one process per session" | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, try forking 2k apaches | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, board, OMAP, PoP (RAM/NAND) | 08:16 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: 20 computers, 100 apaches per computer, no problem | 08:17 |
| ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: neat. too bad that eliminates hobby use... | 08:17 |
| kirma | heh, spotting the difference from TI page is quite a challenge too :) | 08:17 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: but again we are probably talking of sessions, not requests | 08:17 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, requests | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, yeah, the OMAP3420 confused me for the longest time. | 08:17 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, only if your hobby is building boards themselves. The beagle is pretty awesome for hobbyist stuff involving an OMAP3 | 08:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I always recall being confused about it, but never why. | 08:18 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: I <3 you | 08:18 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: then it is not correct | 08:18 |
| ReKlipz1 | I am totally buying one of those | 08:19 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, w/e. you can do webapps with cgi. and it'll work. but some things will require more work than if you used some lib. | 08:19 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: inside a session there is only a limited number of requests at a time, so this is not really a problem. You can handle them all in a single process | 08:19 |
| Luke-Jr | I think there's a hobby board with the Samsung S3C6410 too.. | 08:19 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: a library is ok, a java framework is not | 08:20 |
| johnx | and then there's that thing based off of the marvell if you need more RAM and can live with an older ARM, slower clock-for-clock | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 > ARM11 | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't the Marvell board pushing $500, though? | 08:20 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: and yes, once you start talking about thousands of sessions, it does make sense to implement your own web server or modify apache | 08:20 |
| kirma | RST38h: sounds unscalable solution. with scalable design, you can handle millions of concurrent HTTP TCP connections on a single system... of course the typical operation of such a system tends to be different, but I personally know it's far from impossible | 08:21 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, try $100 in a case or $150 with more outputs than you can shake a stick at | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, didn't realize they were that cheap. | 08:22 |
| johnx | actually | 08:22 |
| johnx | let me check that last price | 08:22 |
| johnx | the OpenRD desktop was what I really wanted | 08:22 |
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| RST38h | kirma: not with java | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, erlang, maybe? | 08:24 |
| RST38h | kirma: and no, millions is stretching it, for a single x86-based system. But up to 100k will probably do | 08:24 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, the OpenRD client in a case with all those outputs is $250...but the base is $150 | 08:24 |
| kirma | well, wouldn't be impossible with java either... but thankfully people avoid java insanity in such cases :) | 08:24 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: Folks I know get by with C++, really | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | kirma: Not all, to my friend's enjoyment :) | 08:24 |
| kirma | RST38h: it's not stretching it. you just have to have your own TCP implementation that glues the handling directly to the higher-level protocol logic | 08:25 |
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| kirma | sure, the boxes tend to be pretty high-end stuff for PCs in that case though. and "applications" extremely streamlined... | 08:26 |
| RST38h | kirma: TCP implementation or not, handling 1m+ users issuing actual requests is kinda too much for a single x86 box | 08:26 |
| RST38h | kirma: Unless it is a 8xCPU box in which case this may work | 08:26 |
| RST38h | (probably slowly :)) | 08:27 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: the sheevaplug? | 08:28 |
| inz | dont you anyway need to hack the tcp stack, if you want to handle more than 64k concurrent tcp-connections on single ip? | 08:28 |
| johnx | the sheevaplug is nice, though as soon as I saw it I found the OpenRD client w/ case | 08:28 |
| inz | oh wait, no you dont | 08:28 |
| inz | nevermind | 08:29 |
| kirma | well, you may believe or not... but well, there are actually products that do this, since I work with such. sure they're not cheap in comparison to individual single-unit sized servers, but they don't even need to be | 08:29 |
| johnx | I want a little ARM box I can set on top of an eSata tower | 08:29 |
| kirma | I'm just saying that you really design your software to be as applications-specificly streamlined through the stack, the benefits in comparison to something like Apache+Java that most people see as the way to go are totally incredible. probably in the class on thousands to tens of thousands times more efficient... | 08:30 |
| kirma | well, on cases when the service doesn't really involve any real computation, but many really don't need that. | 08:31 |
| kirma | inz: you can make that theoretical 64k concurrent connections from *one IP* to *one port in one IP* if you want | 08:32 |
| ReKlipz1 | my knowledge of the initfs, rootfs, kernel(fs?), fiasco(image type, i know, but that piece)... of the maemo. Anyone able to set me straight, or know where to look? | 08:33 |
| RST38h | kirma: I guess you can design it to handle that many connections, but I am kinda scared to think what happens when all these users decide to do something :) | 08:33 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, FIASCO is a pack with all of them included. Look up the official Nokia flasher to build/flash images | 08:33 |
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| johnx | and also the 0xffff flasher | 08:33 |
| RST38h | anyways, work time | 08:34 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: well, I guess what I mean is, how they all interact, what pieces are used when. Going from x86/amd64 based platforms to something like the ARM, I've never dealt with these (if they even existed...) | 08:35 |
| kirma | RST38h: predicting scalability and load behaviour is never as simple as marketing people want to claim. but still, many surprising things are possible... :) | 08:35 |
| ReKlipz1 | kirma: with enough silicon and $, it can be | 08:35 |
| ReKlipz1 | but it usually results in lots of wasted resources (compared to the streamlined "integrated" approach) | 08:35 |
| kirma | well, that way maybe. | 08:35 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, the FIASCO image is *everything* needed to flash a working system onto any N800 or N810 no matter what version of the firmware is on it | 08:35 |
| johnx | it contains the bootloader's various stages, kernel, initfs and rootfs | 08:36 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: understood. | 08:36 |
| ReKlipz1 | where can I understand these stages (unless you're willing to inform me, I'll listen) | 08:36 |
| johnx | well, (bootloaders) -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs | 08:37 |
| Captain_Picard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Biological_clock_human.PNG | 08:37 |
| johnx | if you want info on the bootloaders google NOLO xloader | 08:37 |
| slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, don't mess with bootloader :) | 08:37 |
| johnx | but yeah, if you find yourself wanting to mess with the bootloader take a step back and ask yourself why not just do it at the kernel level | 08:37 |
| ReKlipz1 | I don't want to mess with it, I just want to understand how it works. | 08:38 |
| ReKlipz1 | to know if I want to mess with it (to make the conclusion you just told me) | 08:38 |
| johnx | I don't know if it's really documented officially outside of Nokia | 08:39 |
| ReKlipz1 | ah | 08:39 |
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| ReKlipz1 | so, it's platform dependent | 08:39 |
| johnx | but yeah, the maemo-developers mailing list archives and probably the info surrounding 0xffff | 08:39 |
| ReKlipz1 | meaning, another device using the same ARM core, wouldn't be setup the same (necessarilly) | 08:39 |
| johnx | correct | 08:40 |
| johnx | and the kernel has it's own commandline compiled into it | 08:40 |
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| johnx | lots of other ARM systems that were open designs from the ground up use uboot | 08:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | can uboot be replaced with petitboot? | 08:40 |
| slonopotamus | and hw charge controller :/ | 08:41 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, on what system? | 08:41 |
| Captain_Picard | dasboot | 08:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx, TouchBook :) (beagle-board) | 08:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx, would it be a difficult job? | 08:42 |
| johnx | I'd probably go with: yes | 08:42 |
| johnx | and very likely to result in you bricking your touchbook | 08:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 08:42 |
| timeless_mbp | oilinki: no one in their right mind enables scripts for nokia.com :) | 08:43 |
| johnx | whereas kexecboot or some variant would be pretty much 100% impossible to brick your device with | 08:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 08:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping | 08:44 |
| * Meiz_n810 tests fennec beta 3 | 08:44 | |
| Captain_Picard | lol | 08:44 |
| Captain_Picard | take some pictures Meiz_n810 | 08:44 |
| slonopotamus | Meiz_n810, do you believe in fairies? | 08:44 |
| inz | i do, i do | 08:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | slonopotamus: what do you mean, what's a fairie? | 08:45 |
| kirma | if USB boot is not hardwired to not active on N900, the device should never really reach a state where it couldn't be reinstalled without special hardware | 08:45 |
| kirma | USB boot functionality is built directly to the OMAP3 chip | 08:46 |
| slonopotamus | Meiz_n810, ... magical creatures | 08:46 |
| timeless_mbp | inz: do you know anything about glibc? :) | 08:46 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how one goes about building some portion of it | 08:46 | |
| slonopotamus | fennec is just slow gecko-based browser. and whatever version they put on it, it'll be the same - slow gecko-based browser. | 08:46 |
| inz | timeless, not really | 08:47 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, slow gecko browser + fast processor = decent speed browser | 08:47 |
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| ReKlipz1 | Meiz_n810: touchbook uses a beagle-board? or is simply based off of the design? | 08:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | based off the design | 08:48 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, I got to play with fennec on their "development device." It was definitely faster than Tear on an N800 in the tests I threw at it | 08:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | slonopotamus, true, :) but there has been a lot of progress | 08:48 |
| johnx | it's a beagle board with an extra bit growing out of it | 08:48 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, ... ff often hangs for several seconds when rendering pages on my core2duo desktop. not fast enough? | 08:49 |
| ReKlipz1 | I couldn't really strip it down to a beagle-board though.. right? | 08:49 |
| ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: that's probably a config issue | 08:49 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, I'd say you're using some weird extension, but I seem to be running into the same thing here | 08:49 |
| ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: ff has config to determine when to actually start rendering, so as to not make the page look like it's loading "slowly" | 08:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | ohmy.. this beta3 isn't good :( | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, whatever page i open, it isn't an excuse to stop responding in other tabs | 08:51 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, well you could take the mainboard out, but it wouldn't exactly be a vanilla beagleboard | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pong | 08:51 |
| * Meiz_n810 is satisfied with the speed of Google Chrome :) | 08:51 | |
| slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, especially on multicore cpu | 08:51 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: I wouldn't have thought so, just curious | 08:51 |
| kirma | what I wonder is how TrustZone functionality, if used to enforce DRM, is really affected by capability of USB booting. that is, if there are additional hardware mechanisms to prevent tampering TrustZone component images through it without detection... | 08:52 |
| ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: definately, you are describing different behavior, definately not a config issue | 08:52 |
| * ReKlipz1 want's a TouchBook | 08:52 | |
| Pavlov | slonopotamus: there is a ton of work under way to split chrome and content processes in firefox | 08:53 |
| Pavlov | plus just general work to be more interruptable | 08:53 |
| slonopotamus | brb, need to change machine | 08:53 |
| * ReKlipz1 is afraid the touchbook will be obsolete by the time the backorders ship | 08:53 | |
| johnx | define "obsolete" | 08:54 |
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| ReKlipz1 | an open project will be started in the same market (aka, thoughbook2), with an OMAP4/5/6/7/... | 08:54 |
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| ReKlipz1 | but, that's not any different than any other tech... | 08:55 |
| ReKlipz1 | shit... | 08:55 |
| ReKlipz1 | my hdd needs RMA'd | 08:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | i want 4 core Cortex-A9 touchbook with Gigabyte RAM :D | 08:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | =) | 08:56 |
| summatusmentis | so I wwas away from my nit for a while | 08:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | you want to lug around 10lb in LiPoly you mean? | 08:56 |
| GAN800 | OMAP4 is end of next year at the earliest. | 08:56 |
| GAN800 | Wouldn't worry | 08:56 |
| summatusmentis | anything interesting happen in the 9 montsh I stopped playing? | 08:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | I was originally thinking about getting a beagle board to play with | 08:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | but now I want the toughbook | 08:57 |
| GAN800 | ReKlipz1, he didn't specify clock. | 08:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | touchbook | 08:57 |
| GAN800 | A Cortex A9 with a cores at 250MHz would use significantly less power that a 1GHz A8. | 08:58 |
| GAN800 | s/a cores/4 cores; | 08:58 |
| ReKlipz1 | GAN800: indeed, I didn't know the A9 existed... Apparently it is planned, and will have 4 cores.. | 08:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | 1GHz 4core Cortex-A9 uses only 250mW | 08:59 |
| ReKlipz1 | yeah, i retract my earlier comment | 08:59 |
| ReKlipz1 | s/will/can | 08:59 |
| GAN800 | Up to 4, expect most devices to ship with 2. | 08:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | 2 is enough too, :) | 09:01 |
| ReKlipz1 | hehe | 09:01 |
| ReKlipz1 | @ 2.0GHz? | 09:01 |
| ReKlipz1 | I think it will suffice | 09:01 |
| ReKlipz1 | question for linux/bash gurus | 09:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | lol :) | 09:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | actually, Cortex-A8 720MHz is enough beacuse i already bought a TB :P | 09:04 |
| ReKlipz1 | I need to backup my 500GB hdd to a CIFS share. I'm RMA'ing the hdd, the hdd is in a raid 0 config. Would dd be the best solution? | 09:04 |
| ReKlipz1 | =) | 09:04 |
| johnx | tar | 09:05 |
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| ReKlipz1 | that's for files though, no? | 09:06 |
| ReKlipz1 | I guess I could tar the dev... | 09:06 |
| ReKlipz1 | the CIFS >= 3TB | 09:06 |
| johnx | yes. what's on your fs that isn't a file? | 09:06 |
| kirma | to continue my above speculation: if Nokia wants to ever deploy "good" (reasonably impenetrable) DRM on N900, the device is probably not going to accept a USB boot images that aren't specifically cryptographically signed by them to function the way they want | 09:06 |
| Myrtti | dd, rsync, tar | 09:06 |
| ReKlipz1 | multiple partitions | 09:06 |
| ReKlipz1 | it's part of a raid, only replacing the one drive | 09:07 |
| kulve | hmm.. n900 in nokia's finnish netshop now. 599e | 09:07 |
| kirma | hmmh | 09:07 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, tar the individual filesystems | 09:07 |
| kirma | kulve: url? | 09:07 |
| kirma | I don't see it | 09:07 |
| johnx | kirma, wouldn't they have to deny root access? | 09:07 |
| kulve | kirma: http://kauppa.nokia.fi/nokia-fi/product.aspx?sku=6958193&culture=fi-FI | 09:07 |
| msh_ | kirma: they could make it all-or-nothing - the original/signed FS won't boot/run if it's modified | 09:07 |
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| msh_ | but separate images would still boot | 09:08 |
| kirma | oh, now I see it | 09:08 |
| jaska | n900 wasnt there yesterday | 09:08 |
| Myrtti | kulve: so, that would make the price in vk.fi to what? | 09:08 |
| kirma | any discount codes available? | 09:08 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: it's a multiboot setup. using tar on each fs, would require getting ntfs to work, as well as recreating the raid upon reinstallation | 09:08 |
| jaska | doesnt show pricing.. or any dates | 09:08 |
| ReKlipz1 | i could just dd the raw data, and dd it back to the new drive, that ought to work, no? | 09:09 |
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| kulve | Myrtti: sorry, I don't understand your questiong | 09:09 |
| kulve | -g | 09:09 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, aaah, backing up NTFS. dd that volume at least | 09:09 |
| ReKlipz1 | heh, don't really care about the ntfs volume to be honest... | 09:10 |
| Captain_Picard | i think verkkokauppa | 09:10 |
| Captain_Picard | is gonna sell for atleast 600 euro+ | 09:10 |
| ReKlipz1 | screw it, I'll just start from scratch | 09:10 |
| Myrtti | kulve: as you know, kauppa.nokia isn't wellknown for their cheap prices ;-) | 09:10 |
| ReKlipz1 | :P | 09:10 |
| Captain_Picard | im guessing 610 euros :P | 09:11 |
| Captain_Picard | expensive | 09:11 |
| Myrtti | Captain_Picard: usually their prices are cheaper tho | 09:11 |
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| ReKlipz1 | now to figure out why these drives are failing... | 09:11 |
| Captain_Picard | im guessing idealo.de will offer them cheaper | 09:11 |
| ReKlipz1 | why isn't SMART enabled when you need it | 09:11 |
| kulve | Myrtti: I didn't know that vk.fi is an alias to verkkokauppa.com :) | 09:12 |
| kirma | ordered from nokia... | 09:13 |
| Myrtti | kulve: you're welcome | 09:13 |
| jaska | yay | 09:13 |
| kulve | Myrtti: 999e in vk.fi, but I guess the price will drop. But I'm not going to preorder it on that price ;) | 09:14 |
| Myrtti | kulve: that's the standard preorder price | 09:16 |
| kirma | I wonder who delivers typically faster, nokia or verkkokauppa | 09:17 |
| kirma | by any sense, it should be nokia... | 09:17 |
| kulve | Myrtti: ok. | 09:17 |
| mikkov_ | nokia.fi usually has 10% higher price than elsewhere | 09:17 |
| kirma | of course, I might have waited if nokia was going to announce *other* models today that are better... | 09:17 |
| kirma | mikkov: I think that didn't really apply to earlier internet tablets (?) | 09:18 |
| Myrtti | 770 wasn't even sold in Finland | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | IIRC | 09:19 |
| mikkov_ | kirma: that's true internet tablets were exception | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wow | 09:19 |
| * timeless_mbp learns a secret | 09:19 | |
| mikkov_ | Myrtti: yes it was | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | I never saw it - then again I had one in my use since early 2006 too for free | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | s/one/three/ | 09:20 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: I never saw it - then again I had three in my use since early 2006 too for free | 09:20 |
| mikkov_ | vk.com had | 09:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh awesome | 09:20 |
| kirma | then again: I think pretty much any preorder/postal order can be trivially disputed in .fi, if I want. if nokia magically publishes Maemo devices that it has managed to keep secret, I mean... | 09:20 |
| * timeless_mbp likes some of these bugs | 09:20 | |
| Myrtti | mikkov_: before or after publication of n800? | 09:20 |
| mikkov_ | Myrtti: before | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, have people seen 2009.nseries.com/ ? | 09:21 |
| Captain_Picard | no why | 09:21 |
| Captain_Picard | the page | 09:22 |
| Captain_Picard | is full of old videos | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i'm just amused that the domain exists | 09:22 |
| Captain_Picard | :\? | 09:23 |
| Captain_Picard | its not like domains would cost nokia anything | 09:23 |
| Captain_Picard | why wouldnt they want to claim all the domains that got there trademark | 09:24 |
| timeless_mbp | you wouldn't believe how much pain simple things cost around here :) | 09:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nseries.com has existed for years | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm only amused by 2009. | 09:25 |
| Captain_Picard | lol well thats a subdomain | 09:25 |
| Captain_Picard | and its free | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | nothing in life is free | 09:25 |
| Captain_Picard | subdomains are | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sure someone at nokia is paying someone else at nokia to maintain the subdomain | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which in fact just redirects somewhere | 09:25 |
| Captain_Picard | well the website is another thing | 09:26 |
| Captain_Picard | the subdomain is still free | 09:26 |
| timeless_mbp | remember, in companies, lifting a finger costs money | 09:26 |
| timeless_mbp | lifting more fingers costs more money | 09:26 |
| Captain_Picard | not really | 09:26 |
| Captain_Picard | because all the fingers should be working hard anyway | 09:27 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 09:27 | |
| Captain_Picard | it doesnt cost them more | 09:27 |
| Myrtti | CAKE | 09:27 |
| Captain_Picard | they just make use of all the fingers. | 09:27 |
| Captain_Picard | instead of the fingers sleeping at work | 09:27 |
| Captain_Picard | they make them move! | 09:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Captain_Picard: my group is billed monthly for a laptop i'm not using | 09:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it shows up as a "cost" | 09:27 |
| Captain_Picard | thats internal money | 09:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's still money :) | 09:28 |
| Captain_Picard | it doesnt cost nokia it its virtual money | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and if we try hard enough, it might be external money too | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | if our support is contracted out :) | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so if the nseries domain is managed by a contractor, they could hypothetically bill for the creation/maintenance of the subdomain :) | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (this wouldn't shock me, although i really don't want to know) | 09:29 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, it's time for me to crawl to work | 09:29 |
| kirma | yep | 09:33 |
| kirma | finally | 09:33 |
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| Captain_Picard | show me some killer apps | 09:34 |
| Captain_Picard | for maemo 5 | 09:34 |
| Captain_Picard | and some games please | 09:34 |
| Captain_Picard | i want to know if there is actually anything good! | 09:34 |
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| vasily_pupkin | O_o | 09:35 |
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| qole | Seems only appropriate that I have a glass of absinthe by my side. | 09:35 |
| doc|home | Captain_Picard: what do we look like, search engines? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | lo qole | 09:36 |
| qole | howdy... just thought I'd hang out here for the Big Announcements | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | how long time to it? | 09:37 |
| qole | 25 minutes or so | 09:38 |
| qole | #NW09 starts at 9am | 09:38 |
| qole | It's just about midnight here, so Absinthe doesn't seem out of place. | 09:38 |
| qole | I guess it is breakfast time for you Europeans :D | 09:38 |
| GAN800 | Captain_Picard, it hasn't been released yet. . . . | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | hm, sure? 9am CET? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | or CEST | 09:39 |
| johnx | qole, didn't know you were in my timezone | 09:39 |
| johnx | CET | 09:39 |
| qole | That's what it says here: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 09:39 |
| qole | johnx you on the west coast too?!?! | 09:40 |
| johnx | yup, but south of you it seems ;) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's soon 9am CEST | 09:40 |
| qole | In the land of Cellular Choice. | 09:40 |
| johnx | Captain_Picard, why not beam on over to: http://maemo.nokia.com/ | 09:40 |
| Captain_Picard | crapy site! | 09:41 |
| Myrtti | leaf-sheep: /wii Captain_Picard | 09:41 |
| Myrtti | perh | 09:41 |
| Captain_Picard | :D | 09:41 |
| Myrtti | hmmm | 09:41 |
| johnx | Captain_Picard, remember how you asked about "killer apps." They're listed on the site I just linked | 09:41 |
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| Myrtti | no, can't decide if I know you from somewhere | 09:41 |
| Captain_Picard | i meen custom apps | 09:41 |
| qole | Hmm. "Currently no cities are observing CET" http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/cet.html | 09:41 |
| Myrtti | too little data | 09:42 |
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| Captain_Picard | i dont meen the normal nokia software package :p | 09:42 |
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| slonopotamus | Captain_Picard, killer apps for maemo 5? gcc :) | 09:42 |
| johnx | Captain_Picard, that. site. lists. the. top. non-Nokia. apps. | 09:42 |
| johnx | Look. Very. Carefully. | 09:43 |
| Captain_Picard | Foreca? | 09:43 |
| Captain_Picard | thats cant be in the top 4! | 09:43 |
| Captain_Picard | a damn weather application :D | 09:43 |
| qole | Everyone wants to know the weather | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | mauku ♥ | 09:43 |
| Captain_Picard | i dont twitter or facebook | 09:44 |
| qole | XChat! | 09:44 |
| Captain_Picard | openssh client is probally the best thing | 09:44 |
| qole | sshfs | 09:44 |
| Captain_Picard | so i can irssi :p | 09:44 |
| ReKlipz1 | anyone running maemo 5? | 09:44 |
| Captain_Picard | why do nerds like us need a program called ecoach? | 09:45 |
| Myrtti | Captain_Picard: er, it's not only for nerds. | 09:45 |
| Captain_Picard | like we would do any sporting?! | 09:45 |
| Myrtti | the N900, that is | 09:45 |
| qole | Captain_Picard, I'm not a fat lazy slob. Are you? | 09:45 |
| Captain_Picard | im lazy but not fat | 09:45 |
| Captain_Picard | seriously nokia needs to rearrange the top 4 programs | 09:46 |
| qole | less than 15 minutes | 09:46 |
| Myrtti | if only someone would continue the work done on reverse the Polar HRM's, I've got F6, and it's beeps can be decoded partly by R200 decoder | 09:46 |
| Captain_Picard | 1. ssh client, 2 wep aircrack, 3. etc | 09:47 |
| Myrtti | getting the info out to (Linux and/or) my phone would be loverly | 09:47 |
| qole | wep aircrack? | 09:47 |
| qole | wtf? | 09:47 |
| Captain_Picard | :D | 09:47 |
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| Captain_Picard | well its not like everyone is going to let you use there wifi! | 09:47 |
| Myrtti | I smell a mossy, moist, hairy scent | 09:48 |
| Captain_Picard | lol | 09:48 |
| johnx | it's a p h o n e. it's connected to the i n t e r n e t all the time. that's the whole point | 09:48 |
| doc|home | that be the smell of trolls | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | doc|home: you said it, not I | 09:48 |
| doc|home | I consider it a team effort Myrtti :) | 09:49 |
| * doc|home goes to bed | 09:49 | |
| johnx | 'night doc|home | 09:49 |
| Myrtti | nini doc|home | 09:49 |
| Captain_Picard | doc|home: goes to bed? | 09:50 |
| Captain_Picard | its 10am soon | 09:50 |
| Myrtti | yup, the scent is strong in this one | 09:50 |
| * kirma notes that nokia web shop service runs some pretty un-finnish timezone | 09:50 | |
| kirma | somewhere in US I guess... | 09:51 |
| kirma | mail timestamps are interesting | 09:51 |
| Myrtti | FUUUUUUU VLC DIED | 09:51 |
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| qole | oooh the music just started playing on the Nokia World website!!! | 09:51 |
| Myrtti | lol, that a cappella nokia tone is funnyyyyyy | 09:51 |
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| Myrtti | almost snorted my orange juice to the screen | 09:52 |
| Captain_Picard | nice! | 09:52 |
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| ReKlipz1 | any way to charge the n810 via the microUSB port? | 09:53 |
| kirma | myrtti: where? | 09:53 |
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| johnx | ReKlipz1, by rewiring it internally | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | kirma: events.nokia.com | 09:53 |
| qole | There's the video feed of Nokia World!!! | 09:53 |
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| kirma | hm | 09:53 |
| johnx | w00! | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | woo music | 09:53 |
| qole | I am actually more excited than I've been in a while. | 09:54 |
| qole | Dying to know what the "astonishing" news is going to be... | 09:54 |
| qole | If they announced the netbook and the N900, what could they have up their sleeves? | 09:54 |
| * kirma recalls visiting nokia salo plant way back when they said "we don't put such things as calculator on phones" | 09:54 | |
| Stskeeps | apple bought them? ;p | 09:54 |
| qole | Hahahaha | 09:55 |
| qole | IBM bought them | 09:55 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: does this present any drawbacks? namely, USB host (while charging?) | 09:55 |
| qole | "La la, la la, drum drum" | 09:55 |
| lbt | maemo5 runs in a vm under a windows mobile environment | 09:56 |
| Myrtti | ReKlipz1: are you apt in soldering stuff? | 09:56 |
| Myrtti | EXCITING | 09:56 |
| kirma | nokia world is thankfully not investor conference | 09:56 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, well of course no use of the USB port while charging :P | 09:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | Myrtti: indeed, I'm an EE | 09:56 |
| qole | quaffing my absinthe a little too hastily in my excitement | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, i would kill for vmware on n900 | 09:56 |
| ReKlipz1 | johnx: I meant while charging via the barrel jack | 09:56 |
| lbt | N910... the 5" version... | 09:57 |
| johnx | weeell, you're probably better at visualizing the circuit you'd have to make than me | 09:57 |
| qole | Ooooh. 5" maemo tablet. lbt, you are such a tease | 09:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | toss in a diode with a small Vf I guess... | 09:57 |
| ReKlipz1 | a better question: Has anyone done this before? | 09:58 |
| lbt | qole: Quim kept saying "device or devices" | 09:58 |
| ReKlipz1 | are the traces even exposed? | 09:58 |
| johnx | I think someone pulled it off | 09:58 |
| qole | Oh it is pretty much known that there'll be multiple devices. But I don't think they're going for 5" tablets. That's just our wishful thinking. | 09:58 |
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| qole | I would probably have to get a Maemo tattoo if they announced a 5" tablet running Maemo | 09:59 |
| Captain_Picard | :D | 09:59 |
| Captain_Picard | 5" to much | 10:00 |
| Captain_Picard | 4.13" i want | 10:00 |
| qole | They already did that. Three times | 10:00 |
| Captain_Picard | why not a forth or a fifth? | 10:00 |
| Captain_Picard | what about 4.3" | 10:01 |
| qole | Why not? | 10:01 |
| qole | Actually yeah it was 4.3" | 10:01 |
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| qole | woot here comes dave | 10:01 |
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| Captain_Picard | Dave who? | 10:01 |
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| aSIMULAtor | o hai | 10:01 |
| qole | Benson too! Hoorah | 10:01 |
| carboncopy | one more hour to go for NW09? | 10:01 |
| Captain_Picard | is Jorma Ollila going to be there | 10:02 |
| Captain_Picard | with a formula 1 with Shell fuel? | 10:02 |
| qole | What? No, don't say an hour, it should be any minute, no? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | cest vs cet prolly | 10:02 |
| GAN800 | Wrong benson | 10:02 |
| qole | Oh. | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's 9am cest atm | 10:02 |
| qole | :( | 10:02 |
| carboncopy | ohh web cast | 10:02 |
| qole | But there's nobody observing CET. NOBODY | 10:03 |
| qole | So they probably meant CEST | 10:03 |
| qole | It is 9am in Stuttgart | 10:03 |
| qole | Well, 9:03 | 10:03 |
| johnx | I thought CEST = CET summertime | 10:03 |
| qole | exactly | 10:03 |
| ReKlipz1 | can anyone confirm: does the n810 support power via USB when in USB host mode? If it works with an HID device (keyboard, mouse) it would have to, but I have not tried this. | 10:04 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, you get 100mA | 10:04 |
| qole | You can power small devices like a keyboard, but not big ones | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | OH CHRIST | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | that scared me | 10:04 |
| qole | WHO WAS THAT | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 10:04 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah that scared me too | 10:04 |
| qole | Some scary woman's voice | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | sounded german for sure | 10:05 |
| johnx | O_o; | 10:05 |
| lbt | GPS navigation voice | 10:05 |
| qole | tight bun on the back of her head | 10:05 |
| qole | thin lips | 10:05 |
| qole | baddest! | 10:05 |
| qole | greediest! | 10:05 |
| qole | kindest | 10:05 |
| qole | huh? | 10:06 |
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| lbt | kinda quiet? | 10:06 |
| carboncopy | i have a problem with my N800 | 10:06 |
| carboncopy | hardware problem | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ReKlipz1: most of the people standing next to me are running Maemo 5 on N900s | 10:07 |
| qole | Ah, you're at #NW09! | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | the rest run diablo? | 10:07 |
| qole | HAHAHA | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | no, we're @HEL | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but we're looking at a screen which presumably will be showing NW09 | 10:07 |
| qole | Ah, you should all sit down then | 10:07 |
| * timeless_mbp is busy ignoring it | 10:07 | |
| * timeless_mbp is sitting | 10:07 | |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: anyone running Mer? | 10:08 |
| ReKlipz1 | timeless_mbp: yeah, didn't realize maemo 5 used ogl es | 10:08 |
| qole | tell the guys standing next to you to sit down too | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | no Mer port yet | 10:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | ReKlipz1: it was announced ages ago when we explained Clutter | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | should be trivial though | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: mer's in my VBox | 10:08 |
| qole | on your N900? | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | when i finish translating this Fingrish, i'll launch Mer | 10:08 |
| ReKlipz1 | timeless_mbp: I was not around ages ago when you explained Clutter | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | no, VBox is on my MBP :) | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, some noise! | 10:08 |
| carboncopy | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 10:08 |
| qole | There's the weird german woman again | 10:09 |
| ReKlipz1 | http://www.boxwave.com/products/directsync/directsync-sync-and-charge-cable-nokia-n810_3045.htm | 10:09 |
| qole | woah fine print | 10:09 |
| carboncopy | is that the place where i can get live webcast? | 10:09 |
| ReKlipz1 | seems to be what I want | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | will someone please kill that woman | 10:09 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* | 10:09 |
| Myrtti | fine print :-D | 10:09 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 10:09 |
| qole | forward looking statements is why we're here! | 10:09 |
| Captain_Picard | whats wrong with | 10:10 |
| Captain_Picard | german woman? | 10:10 |
| johnx | "Forward looking statement cat looks forward!" | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet | 10:10 |
| qole | I think they've lost their speaker | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | did it start did it start did it start did it start? | 10:10 |
| Captain_Picard | no | 10:10 |
| qole | no! ARRGHGHG | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | no more random horsie please | 10:10 |
| Captain_Picard | Let the german woman speak | 10:10 |
| Myrtti | did it start did it start did it start did it start? DADDY DID IT START ALREADY?! | 10:10 |
| Captain_Picard | she has rights | 10:10 |
| ReKlipz1 | am I like missing out on something huge atm? | 10:10 |
| qole | Argha | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | ReKlipz1: nokia world 09 live stream? | 10:11 |
| qole | START ALREADY | 10:11 |
| qole | ENOUGH STUPID CHARACTERS | 10:11 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | more absinthe for the man in the corner! | 10:11 |
| GAN800 | http://events.nokia.com/ | 10:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | lul | 10:12 |
| qole | HERE IT IS | 10:12 |
| Myrtti | oh christ | 10:12 |
| carboncopy | wtf, narrowband here cause it to be so f* jerky | 10:12 |
| Myrtti | I want to kill small kitties because of that intro | 10:12 |
| ReKlipz1 | indeed | 10:13 |
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| VDVsx | OMG | 10:13 |
| carboncopy | Nokia needs CDN in Malaysia | 10:14 |
| carboncopy | the narrowband here is really f* up | 10:14 |
| ReKlipz1 | loud... | 10:14 |
| qole | argh my ears | 10:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | not used to the finnish accent? :) | 10:15 |
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| qole | no suddenly the volume jumped 3x | 10:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehe :) | 10:15 |
| ReKlipz1 | the volume went from .25 to .89 | 10:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | yayayayaya | 10:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | \o/ | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | n900! | 10:15 |
| qole | There she is. Object of my lust | 10:15 |
| reklipz2 | Hi | 10:15 |
| qole | I want to stroke her | 10:16 |
| qole | Oooh n900, I want you so badly | 10:16 |
| johnx | qole, just so you know: I think that's a dude | 10:16 |
| johnx | judging by the beard | 10:16 |
| * aSIMULAtor looks at her n900 5cm away from her | 10:16 | |
| qole | the n900 has a beard?! | 10:16 |
| jaska | thats what you get for using linux | 10:16 |
| kirma | new sort of accessory category | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: lies :( | 10:17 |
| johnx | aaah, thought you mean the guy in the contact app :P | 10:17 |
| kirma | orthodox jew beard for a phone | 10:17 |
| qole | aSIMULAtor: the one that didn't take those pictures on Flickr? ;-) | 10:17 |
| Myrtti | lolwhut | 10:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehe if you check the exif files you'll see they weren't from the device | 10:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | i just take photos with my cameras | 10:17 |
| qole | heheheh suuuuure | 10:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | and my iphone but whatever | 10:17 |
| qole | ovi store! | 10:18 |
| johnx | I like this guy: "and now a lot of numbers will follow" almost apologetic | 10:18 |
| kirma | ;) | 10:18 |
| qole | Ovi store! Like Apple store! Ovi mail! Like GMail! | 10:19 |
| carboncopy | hmm this give me an idea, should watch the webcast on the n810 | 10:20 |
| carboncopy | :D | 10:20 |
| qole | Sorry. So far, it has all been "me too" services.... | 10:20 |
| qole | carboncopy, tell me if it works | 10:20 |
| lbt | they have to show parity | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | qole, simpsons did it | 10:20 |
| kirma | gmail integration with N900 works too I suppose | 10:21 |
| kirma | but nokia seems to be much more interested in lower-end markets pushed to modern services | 10:21 |
| johnx | they see the threat from google I'm sure | 10:22 |
| kirma | competitors seem to be pretty uninterested of those parts of the world | 10:22 |
| aSIMULAtor | yay i want that | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | buzzzz | 10:24 |
| qole | yeah man. yeah. buzz | 10:24 |
| johnx | *chirp* *chirp* | 10:24 |
| carboncopy | qole. yes it works - but my broadband sucks big time | 10:24 |
| qole | carboncopy: cool | 10:24 |
| qole | phones, smartphones, mobile computers | 10:25 |
| qole | alliance with microsoft: tremendous potential... for disaster? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | symbian death? ;p | 10:26 |
| timeless | we're watching from my macbook pro | 10:26 |
| timeless | so i'm irc'ing from my n900 | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | the auditorium screen died? | 10:26 |
| GAN800 | Definitely not a Jobsnote. | 10:26 |
| johnx | how are you guys seeing the live webcast before I see the live webcast? O_o | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | lag? | 10:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless: in hkL? | 10:26 |
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| qole | so-lo | 10:27 |
| johnx | I guess I'm more buffered somehow | 10:27 |
| timeless | (there's a large screen nearby but its audio quality/echo are bad) | 10:27 |
| timeless | yeah, hkl | 10:27 |
| qole | Argh and wait and wait and wait and wait | 10:27 |
| tigert | timeless: use the n900 | 10:27 |
| johnx | GAN800, he's not Jobs, but I actually kinda like his style | 10:27 |
| timeless | i tried | 10:28 |
| tigert | the stream works fine | 10:28 |
| GAN800 | Too useds to points ki | 10:28 |
| timeless | i didn't get frames | 10:28 |
| GAN800 | like these getting uproarus applause. ;) | 10:28 |
| timeless | but then i couldn't irc | 10:28 |
| qole | no applause at all | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | qole: That is a real US thing to do. | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | Not something you will see a lot in Europe. | 10:29 |
| Myrtti | two new music phones :-/ | 10:30 |
| kirma | company fanboyism to the extreme, applause for product features I mean. | 10:30 |
| timeless | nothing awe-inspiring comes from europe anyway | 10:30 |
| qole | Interesting. Lots of focus on developing markets | 10:30 |
| timeless | qole: nokia's sales are mostly in those markets | 10:30 |
| kirma | qole: not really new news I think, but maybe nokia is pushing the message more outside now | 10:31 |
| timeless | and they're the only markets with useful growth potential | 10:31 |
| qole | So far the most interesting part of the talk | 10:31 |
| qole | the focus on the developing world, that is | 10:31 |
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| qole | India and Africa | 10:32 |
| RST38bis | moo all. any news from nokia world? | 10:32 |
| carboncopy | boring | 10:32 |
| timeless | rst: ever heard of so-lo? | 10:32 |
| johnx | RST38bis, not really. they *really* care about the developing world though, and they want to tell you about it | 10:32 |
| reklipz2 | There was an earthquake | 10:33 |
| timeless | there were some new music phones | 10:33 |
| RST38bis | qole: Translation: the next tablet will be made of sandal wood, decorated with golden threads, and will include the ceramic Ganesha head into which you are supposed to speak | 10:33 |
| johnx | that's make a cool case | 10:33 |
| * RST38bis looks around trying to figure out whether he is in a developing world | 10:33 | |
| johnx | what about all of us in the regressing world? | 10:34 |
| timeless | a coworker is playing bounce on his n900 because opk is so uninspiring | 10:34 |
| johnx | we want shiney toys too | 10:34 |
| qole | The transgressing world | 10:34 |
| timeless | use the music store! | 10:34 |
| RST38bis | I think it is called "post-industrial" | 10:34 |
| timeless | it's available in select markets | 10:34 |
| aSIMULAtor | bounce is pretty friggin awesome | 10:34 |
| qole | Time to drop some exciting news! | 10:34 |
| timeless | and comes with high quality drm | 10:34 |
| kirma | social location(ing) sounds like something I was trying to market to people like over six years ago, but everybody considered it absurd technonerdery | 10:34 |
| reklipz2 | Rst | 10:35 |
| RST38bis | kirma: still is, isn't it? =) | 10:35 |
| qole | I still think social locationing is absurd technonerdery ;-) | 10:35 |
| lbt | :) | 10:35 |
| johnx | RST38bis, post-positive-GDP world | 10:35 |
| Khertan_ | Hello ! | 10:35 |
| qole | Hey Khertan_ | 10:35 |
| kirma | well, when it turns easy enough to use... people adopt it. you know, who would really want to carry a phone with them all the time either? that was still a common thought in .fi in early nineties. | 10:35 |
| johnx | video just froze for me :/ | 10:35 |
| qole | Is the next keynote going to have the big announcements? | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | are they going to renew their logo/catchphrase? | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | that would be rad | 10:37 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Well, about this "social" thing | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | no. | 10:37 |
| qole | ARGH | 10:37 |
| qole | the end. | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | damn, almost thought they would | 10:37 |
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| qole | Is that bobby mcferrin | 10:37 |
| qole | doing the vocals | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | It's the man with The Hair | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | oh, no | 10:37 |
| qole | The Hair indeed! | 10:37 |
| kirma | rst38h: well. it has to find a pattern that works, but I suspect it will. much of the envisioned ones are never going to succeed, but some are going to change the world still... | 10:38 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Let us say you always tell all your "friends" (aka IM contacts) your location, what you are doing (via Twitter), you always watch where your contacts are, what they are doing, + you always receive information about the closest starbucks, etc | 10:38 |
| qole | My absinthe is almost gone | 10:38 |
| RST38bis | kirma: That is how modern "social" setup is advertised, right? | 10:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh noes time to drink more | 10:38 |
| qole | Time to pour more | 10:38 |
| Khertan_ | ouch the streaming is really slow | 10:39 |
| qole | It is the middle of the night here ;-) | 10:39 |
| kirma | well, that obviously needs more social intelligence automation, obviously | 10:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | real absinthe? or the fake absinthe with no wormwood | 10:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | or did you make it yourself | 10:39 |
| reklipz2 | 2:39am here | 10:39 |
| qole | Real absinthe, made here in Canada | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | oh god, his accent is thicker than OPK's | 10:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | interesting | 10:40 |
| qole | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 10:40 |
| Khertan_ | Anssi Vanjoki <<< english is not is natural language ? as i can understand it verywell | 10:40 |
| kirma | but something like just six years ago, most people were unable to understand that gps and continuous data connections are really going to be pretty normal stuff in less than a decade | 10:40 |
| qole | www.okanaganspirits.com | 10:40 |
| Khertan_ | s/is/his | 10:40 |
| Veggen | I'm almost for social locating. I missed my cousin by only kilometers when we both were on holiday in Italy. Didn't know before later in summer. | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | Khertan_: of course it's not | 10:40 |
| kirma | khertan: very finnish name it is. | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | Khertan_: he and OPK are both Finnish. | 10:40 |
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| qole | Hey there's his tag cloud | 10:41 |
| Khertan_ | Myrtti: yep ... | 10:41 |
| Khertan_ | and the result is that i can understand it very well nice :) | 10:41 |
| * Khertan_ prefer listening people that speak english that isn't their first language :) | 10:42 | |
| aSIMULAtor | why? | 10:42 |
| aSIMULAtor | i tell u this, it takes some time getting used to fins speaking english | 10:42 |
| kirma | I haven't listened those nokia bosses for quite a while. I still hope their english is considerably better than many finns, because that'd be *torture*... | 10:42 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Well, you see, if it is defined like this, I do not see why I would need it | 10:42 |
| kirma | mostly referring to older folks, ones that manage to "speak" english a bit, but not much | 10:42 |
| reklipz2 | Okay. Goodnight all. Thanks for the help! | 10:42 |
| qole | Smartsphones | 10:42 |
| RST38bis | kirma: I do not have any practical interest in where my IM contacts are, what they had for lunch and whether they are on the crapper right now | 10:43 |
| qole | "oooh that was a big one! Time to flush!" | 10:43 |
| johnx | RST38bis, which is to say: you don't talk to people you actually know in real life on IM | 10:43 |
| qole | Too Much Information | 10:43 |
| lbt | how "not giving up" if they are market leader? | 10:43 |
| RST38bis | johnx: Actually I do talk to people I known in real life on IM | 10:43 |
| qole | Market share is SLIPPING | 10:44 |
| kirma | well, let's say that something like irc+gps combined sensibly (and used sensibly!) really eases planning semi-spontaneous social gatherings, for instance. | 10:44 |
| aSIMULAtor | heh ibm just patented a remote control where it tweets what channel the user is watching | 10:44 |
| RST38bis | johnx: Remember, I am 10 hours of flight away from most of my friends | 10:44 |
| kirma | such an innovation | 10:44 |
| RST38bis | johnx: I just do not see any point to know all the above details | 10:44 |
| kirma | patent offices should really get some competence, if not get rid of those patent categories outright | 10:44 |
| johnx | the only one I care about is easily coordinating location | 10:44 |
| qole | Nokia: ON THE ATTACK!!! | 10:44 |
| RST38bis | kirma,johnx: can be done by making a voice call and deciding on a well known ladnmark for gathering | 10:45 |
| lbt | RST38bis: that's 'cos you're anti-social | 10:45 |
| reklipz2 | Question: if i leave pidgin running and stop using my n810 will it still use the same amount of power? | 10:45 |
| lbt | like me | 10:45 |
| Khertan_ | qole: hum ... seems i ve delay in the stream :) | 10:45 |
| kirma | how do you do that with 10-20 persons? :) | 10:45 |
| qole | skype conferencing | 10:45 |
| lbt | kirma: RST38bis only meets 1 at a time | 10:45 |
| RST38bis | lbt: Maybe, but how "social" are you supposed to be to be interested whether your acquaintances are taking a shit? | 10:46 |
| lbt | or watching TV | 10:46 |
| qole | I don't care about N97 | 10:46 |
| Khertan_ | blabla blablabla n97 | 10:46 |
| Khertan_ | burk | 10:46 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Select a landmark and a time, gather, wait for 15 minutes, done | 10:46 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, nope | 10:46 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Has been done many times | 10:46 |
| qole | N97 is 803 short | 10:46 |
| qole | Oh here comes the N97 Mini | 10:47 |
| qole | I bet | 10:47 |
| * aSIMULAtor not interested | 10:47 | |
| RST38bis | qole: Will N900 be the "one last thing" then? =) | 10:47 |
| Khertan_ | qole: oh oh oh ! | 10:47 |
| johnx | RST38bis, lots of things can be done in an alternate way. but getting a visual representation of where other people are is a nice feature that I have really wanted on more than one occasion | 10:47 |
| Khertan_ | RST38bis: not one last ... one more things | 10:47 |
| qole | OOOOH | 10:47 |
| carboncopy | how bout the nokia booklet? | 10:47 |
| AStorm | hope it will not share the fate of N95, that is being bastardized | 10:47 |
| reklipz2 | Johnx: it uses less? Only realdifference is backlight + lcd off, right? | 10:47 |
| AStorm | booklets are too large | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | lolercoptering | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Wifi in keynote overloaded | 10:48 |
| qole | fancy | 10:48 |
| qole | wait for the applause... wait for it... | 10:48 |
| qole | hehahahae | 10:48 |
| johnx | ReKlipz1, I'd bet that pidgin would cause it to take up more with the constantly running network connection | 10:48 |
| Khertan_ | a dark n97 | 10:48 |
| oilinki | argh. my connection can not take the stream. is there voice-only stream? | 10:48 |
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| RST38bis | qole <-- is going to finish his absynthe and cut his ear off? =) | 10:48 |
| qole | No voice only stream. Then you'd miss the HAIR | 10:48 |
| Khertan_ | a n97 mini .... :( | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Hello from #NW09! | 10:48 |
| qole | Finally, there you are | 10:49 |
| Khertan_ | burrrk facebook ... blabla no need | 10:49 |
| Khertan_ | hi Jaffa | 10:49 |
| qole | I'm over here mocking the speakers | 10:49 |
| johnx | RST38bis, ok, see this guy isn't selling it very well :/ | 10:49 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, boreeeed | 10:49 |
| qole | THIS SUCKS | 10:49 |
| GAN800 | Symbian sux | 10:49 |
| * qole is a master of subtlety. | 10:49 | |
| reklipz2 | Johnx: it was implied that pidgin is running in both comparisons | 10:50 |
| lbt | NokiaWorld, not MaemoWorld.... what did you expect? | 10:50 |
| Captain_Picard | symbian has alot of software tough | 10:50 |
| Captain_Picard | the putty program for symbian is actually very nice | 10:50 |
| GAN800 | lbt, less boredom. | 10:50 |
| qole | Windows 3.1 had a lot of software too | 10:50 |
| Khertan_ | lbt: Nokia announcing that NokiaWorld will become MaemoWorld | 10:50 |
| Captain_Picard | i wouldt say symbian is bad :P | 10:50 |
| reklipz2 | Aka, leaving it as is will kill battery life? | 10:50 |
| lbt | GAN800: this is a corporate event!!! | 10:50 |
| Captain_Picard | its just abit outdated | 10:50 |
| lbt | YAWN | 10:50 |
| Khertan_ | and let symbian rest in peace | 10:50 |
| johnx | reklipz2, ah, sorry, yeah, idling should save a lot of power if the app is well coded | 10:50 |
| qole | I wasted good absinthe on THIS? | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Indeed. N900 was first device shown on sccrreen at the event | 10:51 |
| GAN800 | lbt, I miss Macworld. | 10:51 |
| qole | Jaffa, we're all watching :) | 10:51 |
| qole | we saw | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | héhé | 10:51 |
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| lbt | Jaffa was there a small old lady running around sitting people down? | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | i just miss the begining ... the 3g data phone connection drop at the begining in the train | 10:51 |
| qole | with a terrifying voice? | 10:51 |
| reklipz2 | I doubt idling irc chans allows for much power state change | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | <GAN800> lbt, I miss Macworld. <<< there is nothing now :) | 10:52 |
| qole | jaffa, is bobby mcferrin doing the vocal music thing? | 10:52 |
| GAN800 | reklipz2, 1 day batt on irc | 10:52 |
| AStorm | Khertan_: get a shell account? | 10:52 |
| Captain_Picard | lets take a look what this meens! | 10:52 |
| AStorm | if you're smart, you'll do it my way - have a xinetd script that autotunnels you | 10:52 |
| Captain_Picard | choose location! | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Very annoying. Lame. | 10:52 |
| lbt | she wasn't real :( | 10:53 |
| qole | Hey, baby, you want to share your location with me? wink wink | 10:53 |
| AStorm | yeah, a/s/l and all that? blah | 10:53 |
| lbt | qole: it's a plot by DHS | 10:53 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 10:53 |
| Captain_Picard | Rofl Nokia World | 10:53 |
| Captain_Picard | Why do they keep showing facebook stuff | 10:53 |
| johnx | alright, someone who actually uses this stuff really needs to be the one presenting it | 10:53 |
| qole | come over here and let me share something with you | 10:53 |
| MaceN8x0 | still no sign of a touchbook in my near future | 10:54 |
| qole | Look! Facebook! | 10:54 |
| roope | watching the keynote on the n900. works nicely. | 10:54 |
| Captain_Picard | jesus christ | 10:54 |
| AStorm | roope: you have one? WANT! | 10:54 |
| Captain_Picard | who cares about facebook :D | 10:54 |
| jaska | facepalmbook | 10:54 |
| lbt | "You successfully published to facebook"... how many facebook users can read words that long? | 10:54 |
| msh_ | will it play on a 810? | 10:54 |
| GAN800 | Now if only the keynote were worth watching. | 10:54 |
| qole | Yeah lets talk about the N900 not stupid maps in stupid facebook | 10:54 |
| carboncopy | msh_ : yes it does | 10:54 |
| aSIMULAtor | look at all those shiny happy faces watching him speak | 10:54 |
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| qole | shiny faces, yes, happy no | 10:55 |
| timeless | cptn, what, there's more to the world than facebook? | 10:55 |
| msh_ | carboncopy: hm. cool. | 10:55 |
| Captain_Picard | Go away :( | 10:55 |
| AStorm | timeless: yeah, like... digg ;) | 10:55 |
| Captain_Picard | talk about maemo | 10:55 |
| Captain_Picard | IS THERE \o/ | 10:55 |
| MaceN8x0 | cant really judge maemo5 | 10:55 |
| Khertan_ | the NokiaWorld supense and every people looking at the it ... and speaking about it on irc remember me the apple keynotes :) | 10:55 |
| timeless | be happy we aren't stressing jaiku | 10:55 |
| qole | yeah can you share your location on Digg? Can you? | 10:55 |
| qole | Huh? | 10:55 |
| MaceN8x0 | not until you can see how well it uses the hw | 10:56 |
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| Khertan_ | roope: if you have a n900 | 10:56 |
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| qole | $40 | 10:56 |
| * lbt is on his chair | 10:56 | |
| qole | too low | 10:56 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 10:56 |
| Khertan_ | roope: could you said me if PyGTKEditor avaiable in the extras devel works | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | oh wow | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | N900 cheap bargain compared with N97 mini! | 10:56 |
| aSIMULAtor | roope? | 10:56 |
| reklipz2 | $0? | 10:56 |
| Khertan_ | $0 ! | 10:56 |
| qole | Yeah N900 looks like a bargain now | 10:56 |
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| aSIMULAtor | roope: HI SUNSHINE :P | 10:57 |
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| Khertan_ | $450 for a n97 ... it s really expensive | 10:57 |
| Captain_Picard | N900 will cost you only 599.99$! | 10:57 |
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| Captain_Picard | soon steve jobs will come there | 10:57 |
| Captain_Picard | to present his iphone | 10:57 |
| timeless | 450eur not usd | 10:57 |
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| johnx | Khertan_, probably close to free on contract | 10:57 |
| aSIMULAtor | uhm ok | 10:57 |
| Khertan_ | johnx: probably ... but didn't interest me :) | 10:58 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow, it is unseasonably cold | 10:58 |
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| qole | snoooore | 10:58 |
| qole | I wish I could go to the party. | 10:58 |
| Khertan_ | johnx: but probably 299Euros with a contract with a french operator | 10:58 |
| aSIMULAtor | omg i can get invited from hipster bands yayayayay | 10:58 |
| GAN800 | YouTube!!!!!!!!!!111111 | 10:58 |
| Captain_Picard | omg now he is talking about MUSIC | 10:58 |
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| GAN800 | Music!!!!!!!111111 | 10:58 |
| johnx | Khertan_, year contract? or two years? | 10:58 |
| qole | Please god don't start talking about sharing your location on youtube | 10:58 |
| Captain_Picard | soon he will open wikipedia and start talking about what music is | 10:58 |
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| AStorm | better | 10:59 |
| AStorm | soon he will start talking about video | 10:59 |
| AStorm | ;P | 10:59 |
| johnx | I listened to music once! that means I should give money to Nokia! | 10:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want to buy their phones, not their goddamn music | 10:59 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N810++ | 10:59 |
| MaceN8x0 | wtf are you all talking about? | 10:59 |
| GAN800 | Music and YouTube!!!!!!11111 | 10:59 |
| Khertan_ | johnx: same things ... the year give you no sms free .... and the two years give unlimited sms | 10:59 |
| qole | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 10:59 |
| MaceN8x0 | some pc magazine show? | 10:59 |
| qole | He wants to stay legal!!! | 10:59 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I don't want to stay legal. STFU already. | 10:59 |
| Khertan_ | johnx: french mobile operator is .... thief ! | 11:00 |
| AStorm | I want to stay legal, but the music is just far too damn expensive ;p | 11:00 |
| Khertan_ | s/is/are | 11:00 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, don't! | 11:00 |
| AStorm | including the darned shop which doesn't have anything I want | 11:00 |
| AStorm | ;p | 11:00 |
| lbt | bad people | 11:00 |
| * GAN800 finger wag. | 11:00 | |
| timeless | gah | 11:00 |
| RST38bis | evil evil people | 11:00 |
| qole | Stay good, Anssi, Stay good! | 11:00 |
| Captain_Picard | ALL FREE | 11:00 |
| johnx | I stay legal when it's somewhat convenient | 11:00 |
| Khertan_ | Don't Do that ! | 11:00 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 11:00 |
| timeless | someone please kick rock dodger's packasger | 11:00 |
| johnx | unless doing illegal things is fun | 11:01 |
| Captain_Picard | LOL he talking about torrents? | 11:01 |
| timeless | it depennds on maemo menu select location | 11:01 |
| johnx | or someone tells me to not do it | 11:01 |
| MaceN8x0 | ze other side of law | 11:01 |
| qole | Don't cross to the Dark Side! | 11:01 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 11:01 |
| * lbt breaks the law and listens to his own CDs on mp3 | 11:01 | |
| Captain_Picard | Ofcourse there is the dark side of internet | 11:01 |
| AStorm | Dark? It's the Light side | 11:01 |
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| Khertan_ | All Included what the top ten ? | 11:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bonus points to the first person to get gtk-gnutella hildonized for Maemo 5. I've already done Transmission. | 11:01 |
| mikkov_ | timeless: I fix it when I have time | 11:01 |
| timeless | and zstroids | 11:01 |
| Khertan_ | things that i never listen ?; | 11:01 |
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| MaceN8x0 | who is this guy? | 11:01 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: http://markpickavance.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/riaa-communism-poster.gif | 11:01 |
| timeless | :( | 11:01 |
| GAN800 | Else Nokia ninjass eat you heart! | 11:01 |
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| Khertan_ | MaceN8x0: Anssi Vanjoki, Executive Vice President, Markets, Nokia | 11:01 |
| qole | MaceN8x0: he's the guy with the Hair | 11:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | sounds russian | 11:02 |
| qole | Finnish | 11:02 |
| AStorm | estonian? ;) | 11:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | he sounds finnish...really finnish | 11:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | close wnough | 11:02 |
| kirma | hardly sounds russian or estonian | 11:02 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12_N810, and get it on Maemo Select. | 11:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | enough | 11:02 |
| qole | I wish he would FINNISH | 11:02 |
| Captain_Picard | everyone loves the finnish accent | 11:02 |
| Captain_Picard | \oä/ | 11:02 |
| AStorm | I haven't heard him at all, so it's likely finnish indeed | 11:02 |
| Myrtti | X6!? | 11:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | voi vitsi | 11:02 |
| qole | iPod killer | 11:03 |
| Khertan_ | x6 ? | 11:03 |
| qole | Heheh refurbished interface | 11:03 |
| AStorm | poor iPods! | 11:03 |
| kirma | sounds like bmw model | 11:03 |
| VDVsx | alvin | 11:03 |
| ali1234 | all the music in the world? | 11:03 |
| Captain_Picard | tatsskriin | 11:03 |
| johnx | kirma, that's because it is | 11:03 |
| Khertan_ | rm-559 == x9 ? | 11:03 |
| qole | All the LEGAL music in the world | 11:03 |
| Captain_Picard | JAST take it ALL | 11:03 |
| kirma | from press release, it was a bit unobvious if X6 is Symbian or S40 | 11:03 |
| kirma | which it is? | 11:03 |
| RST38bis | qole: Coming up with a counterexample will be real easy | 11:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | x3? | 11:03 |
| ali1234 | so like if some guy in albania whistles a tune, i can get that on nokia? | 11:03 |
| johnx | "the way people ... use music" WAT | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | christ | 11:04 |
| MaceN8x0 | $450 | 11:04 |
| AStorm | music is to be used? ;p | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | 115€ | 11:04 |
| qole | X3: just some of the music in the world | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | wow | 11:04 |
| MaceN8x0 | all music in world | 11:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | MaceN8x0: € | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | 115 is cheap | 11:04 |
| johnx | AStorm, I was using music the other day, but I ran out | 11:04 |
| MaceN8x0 | oh | 11:04 |
| johnx | had to get to the store and buy some more musics | 11:04 |
| AStorm | hahaha | 11:04 |
| qole | ok here is something | 11:04 |
| aSIMULAtor | i want this booklet | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | that's like peanuts | 11:04 |
| RST38bis | aSIM: Why> | 11:04 |
| MaceN8x0 | booklet 3G | 11:04 |
| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 11:04 |
| jaska | some music can be used for torture | 11:05 |
| MaceN8x0 | x86? | 11:05 |
| MaceN8x0 | garbage | 11:05 |
| Captain_Picard | Nokia Mikromikko | 11:05 |
| Captain_Picard | rocked | 11:05 |
| qole | Nokia Meeekromeeeko? | 11:05 |
| jaska | yeah.. lol | 11:05 |
| Captain_Picard | i had one | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | Mikromikko ♥ | 11:05 |
| aSIMULAtor | why not | 11:05 |
| roope | i'll check the pygtk. | 11:05 |
| Captain_Picard | noo ;( | 11:05 |
| GAN800 | booo | 11:05 |
| Khertan_ | roope: thx | 11:05 |
| Captain_Picard | windows 7 boooo | 11:05 |
| roope | Hmm, it is not starting. :/ | 11:05 |
| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | bloody hell, I need to go to get some blood tests done | 11:05 |
| MaceN8x0 | this guy is making me sick | 11:05 |
| roope | it tries to load it for a couple of seconds, then not. | 11:05 |
| * MaceN8x0 stops it | 11:05 | |
| Captain_Picard | well i was afraid the booklet was gonna run symbian :DD | 11:05 |
| roope | no ui gets shown. | 11:05 |
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| AStorm | roope: try the terminal? also, isn't pygtk a lib? | 11:06 |
| qole | 12 hour battery and Windows 7; windows will outlast you every time | 11:06 |
| MaceN8x0 | oops | 11:06 |
| Khertan_ | 12 hour battery !!! GREAT ! | 11:06 |
| lbt | does windows run for 7 hours nowadays? | 11:06 |
| Khertan_ | Windows 7; windows will outlast you every time .... burk | 11:06 |
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| qole | Anssi, you LOOK excited by that one | 11:06 |
| MaceN8x0 | 575?! | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | wow, cheap | 11:06 |
| MaceN8x0 | € | 11:06 |
| qole | WOWOW cheap | 11:06 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah nice price | 11:06 |
| MaceN8x0 | wtf! | 11:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | no it isnt | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | N900! | 11:07 |
| qole | BABY YEAH | 11:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | it is a ripoff | 11:07 |
| GAN800 | Finally | 11:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | HERE WE GO | 11:07 |
| qole | HERE SHE IS | 11:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | yzyzyzyz | 11:07 |
| Khertan_ | 575Euros... | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | finally ♥ | 11:07 |
| qole | SWEETIE | 11:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | WOOT | 11:07 |
| johnx | woo! | 11:07 |
| qole | HUBBA HUBBA | 11:07 |
| Khertan_ | why i get delay ... | 11:07 |
| lbt | :D | 11:07 |
| Khertan_ | shutt ! | 11:07 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 11:07 |
| lardman | good news from Quim I see | 11:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | :D:D:D:D | 11:07 |
| roope | ImportError: No module named glade | 11:07 |
| johnx | Khertan_, I do too, on a "12Mb/s" connection | 11:07 |
| qole | beauty | 11:07 |
| Captain_Picard | w00t | 11:08 |
| Khertan_ | roope: oups ... thx for the report | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | there it was | 11:08 |
| qole | Oh N900, my sweetheart | 11:08 |
| lardman | ~curse FF for opening so slowly | 11:08 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, FF for opening so slowly ! | 11:08 |
| Khertan_ | roope: works on the sdk | 11:08 |
| Khertan_ | and python segfault | 11:08 |
| Khertan_ | :( | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | that was all they gonna give you | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | of the N900 | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | :( | 11:08 |
| qole | Meh he just talks | 11:08 |
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| qole | just a tease | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | you can close your stream now | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | its over | 11:08 |
| Captain_Picard | nokia world is over! :D | 11:08 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | He's trying to justify Maemo to the Symbian fanboys | 11:08 |
| qole | world's most poueaplr platform?! | 11:09 |
| * lbt wonders if this is about maemo->maemodevices | 11:09 | |
| Captain_Picard | qwerty12_N810: soon someone will throw a shoe at him | 11:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Captain_Picard: rofl | 11:09 |
| lardman | see Quim said on the ml that they will start talking about dev program soon? | 11:09 |
| Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: there is no need ! it s already better | 11:09 |
| jrocha | windows 7... bah | 11:09 |
| qole | Nokia the next Generation | 11:09 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: !!! OH GREAT NEWS ! | 11:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Khertan_: We know that, but the fanboys don't :) | 11:09 |
| qole | Oh the 5 step program | 11:09 |
| Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: not sure | 11:09 |
| * qole is on the edge of his seat | 11:10 | |
| lardman | Khertan_: see the "How much are Nxxx open?" thread, last post by Quim | 11:10 |
| qole | N900 is STEP 4! | 11:10 |
| Captain_Picard | 7700! | 11:10 |
| Captain_Picard | where is STEP 5 | 11:10 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting :) | 11:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | I R TOTALLY SURPRISED | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | Harmattan is step 5, obviously | 11:10 |
| Myrtti | meh. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | hah, multitasking | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | BLABLALBABLA | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | :D | 11:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | WHOA! | 11:11 |
| RST38bis | People going bonkers over Booklet. Why? | 11:11 |
| qole | Oooh that's even cheaper | 11:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | (without vat) | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | just for 500 euros! | 11:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | :P | 11:11 |
| Myrtti | WWOOWOWOWOWOW | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | they say | 11:11 |
| lardman | Jaffa: nah, next hw will have to have frikking lasers :) | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | oh yeh | 11:11 |
| johnx | 4 different pants? | 11:11 |
| Captain_Picard | they forgot wat | 11:11 |
| Khertan_ | An interesting approach would be to have members of these projects submitting proposals to the Maemo Summit. It's a way to have a name linked to a concrete purpose. | 11:11 |
| qole | I kept telling people it would be surprisingly cheap! | 11:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | add another 20% or something | 11:11 |
| Khertan_ | si not before the summit at least | 11:12 |
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| Captain_Picard | add 22% | 11:12 |
| Captain_Picard | to it | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_: think that is non-karma stuff | 11:12 |
| Khertan_ | 500 Euro ... or 649 Euros in france | 11:12 |
| wazd | "It's pretty affordable, 500 euros" lol | 11:12 |
| MaceN8x0 | crystal sharp? | 11:12 |
| qole | ROFL | 11:12 |
| Captain_Picard | eco system on the n900 | 11:12 |
| MaceN8x0 | :) | 11:12 |
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| johnx | MaceN8x0, sharp like shards of a broken car window! | 11:12 |
| Captain_Picard | built in catalysator | 11:12 |
| qole | wait that's it | 11:12 |
| jrocha | wazd, IT IS affordable, given the device | 11:12 |
| qole | what | 11:12 |
| wazd | "thx!" lol) | 11:12 |
| GAN800 | More on not stealing music (finger wag) than the goddamn cellular open source revolution. | 11:12 |
| lardman | yeah, what's with the random messages on the boardbehind? | 11:12 |
| RST38bis | which url are you all watching anyway? I am only getting some crappy twitter aggregator | 11:12 |
| lardman | ouch, loud music | 11:13 |
| GAN800 | What a waste of time. | 11:13 |
| ali1234 | lol | 11:13 |
| qole | Damn them all | 11:13 |
| wazd | RST38bis: right on the nokia's site | 11:13 |
| lardman | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm | 11:13 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 11:13 |
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| Captain_Picard | lol sounds like farting | 11:13 |
| MaceN8x0 | english idiom fail | 11:13 |
| qole | An hour of the N97 mini and 3 minutes of the N900 | 11:13 |
| Captain_Picard | the speakers dont like this sound | 11:13 |
| RST38bis | weird isn't showing the video | 11:13 |
| johnx | RST38bis, you just missed the whole thing | 11:13 |
| wazd | RST38bis: it's over :D | 11:13 |
| MaceN8x0 | RST38bis, it is over | 11:13 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 11:13 |
| RST38bis | ah screw it then =) | 11:14 |
| Captain_Picard | haha =)) | 11:14 |
| Khertan_ | .... | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, we stopped watchig | 11:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | n900 got 2 mins? | 11:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | wtf? | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ig/ing/ | 11:14 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: ok, we stopped watching | 11:14 |
| Khertan_ | one hour about the n97 ... and 2 minutes about n900 | 11:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | :( | 11:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | that should have been the flagship | 11:14 |
| RST38bis | but it was the famous one last thing wasn't it? | 11:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | s60? | 11:14 |
| lardman | was that live? | 11:14 |
| Captain_Picard | yeh | 11:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He totally convinced everyone to buy the N900 with a presentation like that. | 11:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | fuck symbian | 11:14 |
| Khertan_ | pffff 649 Euros on French Store ... | 11:14 |
| wazd | But n97 mini can *UPDATE FACEBOOK STATUS!* | 11:15 |
| lardman | oh, perfect timing on my part then :) | 11:15 |
| wazd | it | 11:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | the device speask for itself :D | 11:15 |
| wazd | it's so innovative! | 11:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | FACEBOOK STATUS?! OMG WTFLOL | 11:15 |
| MaceN8x0 | wazd, thats ok... nokia is crystal sharp | 11:15 |
| Khertan_ | yeah ... the world most important thing ...: updating his facebook status | 11:15 |
| tbf | so go to the shops and tell opk, that the n900 is better :-D | 11:15 |
| Captain_Picard | nokia is SHARP | 11:15 |
| qole | That was a real letdown. | 11:15 |
| MaceN8x0 | :) | 11:15 |
| qole | What a waste of good absinthe | 11:15 |
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| MaceN8x0 | crystal sharp! | 11:16 |
| * RST38bis cackles, as he predicts the burst of the second Internet bubble | 11:16 | |
| MaceN8x0 | get the finninglish idioms right | 11:16 |
| timeless | qwert, i've seen worse | 11:16 |
| Captain_Picard | so next live webcast is tommorrow? | 11:16 |
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| Captain_Picard | with 1 min of N900? | 11:16 |
| lardman | he speaks better English than I do Finnish | 11:16 |
| Khertan_ | Captain_Picard: maybe 2 | 11:16 |
| Captain_Picard | and 59 min of symbian 5? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | timsamoff: o/ | 11:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | lardman, haha | 11:16 |
| lardman | hey timeless | 11:16 |
| lardman | oops, tabbed the wrong one, but hi anyway :) | 11:17 |
| jrocha | guys, maybe the price he mentioned didn't yet have the taxes | 11:17 |
| lardman | hi timsamoff | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | lo timsamoff | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | jrocha: Not maybe. | 11:17 |
| jrocha | so it might change according to the country | 11:17 |
| Captain_Picard | why would he include taxses | 11:17 |
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| Captain_Picard | it depends on the country | 11:17 |
| * timsamoff wishes he had better wifi signal! | 11:17 | |
| Andy80 | hi all | 11:17 |
| timeless | there was one where the presenter said he had this great device, it fit in his pocket, ansd that's where he left it | 11:17 |
| qole | So what was that all about? | 11:17 |
| timeless | hi | 11:17 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, hi :) | 11:17 |
| qole | timsamoff, jaffa, can you help us understand what that was all about?!?! | 11:17 |
| jrocha | so, people should stop being surprised that Nokia stores have a higher price | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: hear! hear! | 11:17 |
| lardman | well he said it was cool and that it was step 4 | 11:17 |
| Captain_Picard | they had to stop the Webcast because symbian fanboys went on RAGEEEE | 11:18 |
| Andy80 | only 500€ for N900?! Did he forgive taxes :D ?! | 11:18 |
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| qole | WHY SO MUCH ABOUT IPOD CLONES | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | qole: What? It was an opening keynote showing the high-level overview | 11:18 |
| RST38bis | The device isn't out yet, so that may be why they only covered it for 2 minutes | 11:18 |
| lardman | Andy80: see above, different in every country | 11:18 |
| Captain_Picard | Andy80: on the darkside you dont pay taxes | 11:18 |
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| Jaffa | "Comes with Music" is pretty cool | 11:18 |
| wazd | Andy80: well, at least he announced unsubsidized price ;) | 11:18 |
| Captain_Picard | join the darkside | 11:18 |
| qole | No, there was endless talk about posting maps to facebook. | 11:18 |
| RST38bis | The two other S60e5 devices should be available right away | 11:18 |
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| * timsamoff starts to upload pics to TitPic. | 11:18 | |
| wazd | Andy80: likr, "it's now free!" | 11:18 |
| lardman | there are new s60 devices too? | 11:19 |
| Captain_Picard | the N97 mini comes with music including the backstreet boys and mozarts collection | 11:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timsamoff: Nice | 11:19 |
| wazd | timsamoff: TittPic? :D | 11:19 |
| RST38bis | lardman: Two expressmusic devices, X3 and X6 | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | X3 is cheap | 11:19 |
| RST38bis | lardman: (not relation to BMWs of the same name) | 11:19 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, is that all about N900 for today :S ?! | 11:19 |
| qole | X6: all the music in the world, X3: only some of the music in the world | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | 115eur | 11:19 |
| timsamoff | Ah yes. My favorite site. :p | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Of course not | 11:19 |
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| lardman | RST38bis: lol, thanks | 11:19 |
| Captain_Picard | what about Z4? | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | There are demos on the floor | 11:19 |
| keesj | we want picutres | 11:20 |
| qole | Oh can you go play with demo N900s now? | 11:20 |
| lardman | Jaffa: that cheap, wow | 11:20 |
| wazd | Now Nokia has M5, X3 and X6 :) Time to change logo :) | 11:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Please try and steal one for me, thanks :) | 11:20 |
| RST38bis | What is M5? =) | 11:20 |
| lardman | wazd: just M3 to go | 11:20 |
| RST38bis | Ah, I know =) | 11:20 |
| wazd | RST38bis: maemo 5 :) | 11:20 |
| qole | Jaffa: demo n900 units?? | 11:20 |
| RST38bis | BTW, they also copyrighted Cxxx brand | 11:20 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa and I will beat up some demoers and grab a few. | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | qole: There will be | 11:20 |
| Captain_Picard | im gonna get me a Nokia M5 AMG | 11:20 |
| RST38bis | Captail; With diesel? =) | 11:21 |
| Captain_Picard | yeh | 11:21 |
| qole | jaffa: not yet? | 11:21 |
| lardman | not sure M5 and AMG really mix | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | lardman: x3 is S40 accorrding to twitterr | 11:21 |
| Captain_Picard | when can i get a N97 mini with maemo? | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | qole: It's keynotes now. Everyone in one room | 11:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Who wants S40 in this day and age? | 11:21 |
| lardman | my parents were looking for some new cheap phones, sounds ideal as long as it has Bt + cheap camera | 11:21 |
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| Captain_Picard | BT for what purpouse? | 11:22 |
| lardman | hands free | 11:22 |
| vesa | http://conversations.nokia.com/ has x6, x3 etc. 'specs' | 11:22 |
| lardman | thanks | 11:22 |
| lardman | they do have a lot of randomly named subdomains | 11:22 |
| vesa | that they do. | 11:22 |
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| qole | timsamoff: where's this one taken? http://twitpic.com/g6k05 | 11:23 |
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| prometoys | good morning. do I need another password for talk.maemo.org then for wiki, midgard etc | 11:23 |
| lardman | good, has camera + Bt | 11:23 |
| timsamoff | Qole: At the Movinpic Hotel lobby. | 11:24 |
| qole | Movinpic? Don't they make ice cream or something? | 11:24 |
| timsamoff | Mmm, ice cream. If they do, I haven't found it. | 11:24 |
| qole | Well, I guess I'm off to bed then. | 11:25 |
| qole | If there's nothing more happening. | 11:25 |
| johnx | aSIMULAtor, soooo, now that the N900 is announced and going to be on display, how do you feel about the picture quality? :D | 11:25 |
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| Jaffa | qole: There'll be more; but we have to get past boring business partners | 11:26 |
| wazd | prometoys: yeah | 11:26 |
| Aswarp | I want a (cheaper) N900! | 11:26 |
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| qole | jaffa: It is 1:30 am here. I can't wait to get past boring business partners | 11:27 |
| tbf | Aswarp: get it from some mobile operator with some 3G flate rate | 11:27 |
| qole | I'm finishing my absinthe and going to bed. | 11:27 |
| Corsac | Aswarp: was there any news about prices? (besides the 650e heard here and there) | 11:27 |
| Khertan_ | when i see n97 at 349€ with a two year contract ... | 11:27 |
| Khertan_ | in france | 11:27 |
| Khertan_ | the n900 will be 500 | 11:27 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa, the keynote's schedule doesn't look like so interesting... | 11:27 |
| tbf | plus taxes | 11:28 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: HT :) | 11:28 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: ttc | 11:28 |
| Corsac | source? | 11:28 |
| Khertan_ | with two years contract | 11:28 |
| Aswarp | I heard 499$, but given the pricing for previous tablets (350$) and the iPhone below 200, I think it is far too much... | 11:28 |
| Khertan_ | it s 649 Euro ttc in french store | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: On contract N900 will be subsidized, so you're not comparing like with like | 11:28 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: do you have a source for the 500+contract? | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Perhaps not | 11:28 |
| Khertan_ | so with a two year contract you get most of the time 150 Euros less | 11:28 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: now | 11:29 |
| Aswarp | Will Vodafone offer the N900? | 11:29 |
| Khertan_ | it s speculation | 11:29 |
| Khertan_ | but as it s around 150Euros for a two year contract on sfr | 11:29 |
| Corsac | ok, so last price is 650 until more info arrise | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | Just look at what your provider asks for a N97 + subscription. | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: It's 500 *exc. taxes & contract* | 11:29 |
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| Corsac | yeah | 11:29 |
| Khertan_ | 649 - 150 = 500 TTC with two years contract | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | Should probably pretty similar to what the N900 will cost + subscription. | 11:29 |
| Corsac | 499 you mean? :à | 11:29 |
| Corsac | :) | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | Khrtan: It's been announced that carriers will subsidize | 11:29 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: yes as all other mobile device | 11:30 |
| Jaffa | So as X-Fade says, compare with N97 prices on contract | 11:30 |
| * Andy80 wants a developer discount, not a subsized contract :P | 11:30 | |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: yep this is what i ve do | 11:30 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: n97 have a subdivized price of 150 Euros | 11:30 |
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| qole | Wow, that is some serious resolution there on that screen: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nokia_n900_live_2.jpg | 11:30 |
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| johnx | qole, holy damn. that screen photographs real well | 11:32 |
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| lbt | I'd be *really* impressed if that was an N900 photo ;) | 11:32 |
| qole | johnx, Even at super macro, you can still hardly see the pixels | 11:33 |
| Aswarp | Some Moiré though ;) | 11:33 |
| johnx | they really went the extra mile though: very nice antialiasing and what is it 250+ DPI | 11:33 |
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| X-Fade | qole: And it is a transflective screen, so that is why you see the 'holes' | 11:34 |
| lbt | Look at the 'L' on "Latest: My first tweet" | 11:34 |
| qole | lbt, yes there are those pixels | 11:34 |
| qole | the 'a' is pretty muddy too | 11:35 |
| lbt | X rendering though | 11:35 |
| lbt | not the screen | 11:35 |
| qole | Still, though. Compare those characters to the Nokia logo above to get some perspective | 11:35 |
| lardman | Aswarp: I do wonder about that, probably T-Mobile though | 11:35 |
| qole | You really can't see that with the unaided eye | 11:35 |
| * lcuk waves | 11:37 | |
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| lcuk | wheres the feed | 11:37 |
| johnx | back in a sec | 11:37 |
| lbt | I have no concerns about resolution/quality | 11:37 |
| lardman | scroll up a bit | 11:37 |
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| qole | lcuk, you missed it! | 11:37 |
| lcuk | meh@wrk | 11:38 |
| qole | they announced free N900s to everyone in Africa! | 11:38 |
| Aswarp | lardman: I hope Movistar, Orange an dvodafone, so we can choose the best plan and pricing... | 11:38 |
| * lcuk moves | 11:38 | |
| * timsamoff sits. | 11:38 | |
| Khertan_ | lcuk: 2 min about n900 ... 1 hour about n97 mini | 11:38 |
| Khertan_ | you have miss nothing | 11:38 |
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| qole | lcuk, actually I drank a glass of absinthe, ate some bread sticks and hummus, and listened to them prattle on about the N97 mini | 11:39 |
| Corsac | http://boutique.nokia.fr/nokia-fr/product.aspx?culture=fr-FR&sku=6957877&cp=new_home&link=n900home#__anchor_ProductSelector btw | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | Khertan_, you're right... | 11:39 |
| lardman | Aswarp: I thought Nokia had done a tie-in with T-Mobile | 11:39 |
| Corsac | pre order available at 650 | 11:39 |
| lardman | anyone know? | 11:39 |
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| Khertan_ | Khertan_: about what ? nothing miss ? or high priced in france due to our stupid taxes ? | 11:39 |
| * qole looks at his watch again and wonders why he still isn't in bed | 11:40 | |
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| Aswarp | Stupid taxes and pocket-ripping early adopters the most probable reasons | 11:40 |
| * lardman looks at the exchange rate and thinks how expensive the N900 will be | 11:40 | |
| Corsac | Khertan_: btw, all pre-orders are at 650 | 11:41 |
| Corsac | (it, de, fr) | 11:41 |
| Corsac | at least | 11:41 |
| Corsac | not checked anything else | 11:41 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: exchange rate .... it s always 1-1 | 11:41 |
| wazd | hah, faster than Dell :D | 11:41 |
| * qole looks at hspa frequencies in Canada and weeps | 11:41 | |
| Corsac | and expansys doesn't have any price yet | 11:41 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: it s 650 since one weeks | 11:41 |
| lardman | Khertan_: it's not far off that for the £! | 11:42 |
| Aswarp | If they produced N770 at 350$ being the first device, which is always expensive, and N900 being sooooo similar to it, apaprt from having a SIM card, why do they double the price? | 11:42 |
| aquatix | there's a lot of new tech in there | 11:43 |
| lardman | inflation | 11:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Believe me, the N900 is anything but similar. | 11:43 |
| qole | timsamoff, is that a gloating look I see on his face? http://twitpic.com/g6l04 | 11:43 |
| kirma | corsac: I think .fi had 600... and .de too | 11:43 |
| Aswarp | They can sink the ship. I'd prefer lower prices, lower margins, but higher volume and addoption rates | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | n900 is in no way similar | 11:43 |
| wazd | Aswarp: well, similar, like, it has a screen too? :D | 11:43 |
| * Khertan_ will finish mPIM ... it ll be not tommorow that me could use the Maemo 5 Calendar | 11:43 | |
| kirma | or not 650 at least | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | it's like comparing a jet plane to george bush | 11:43 |
| timsamoff | Qole: Maybe. Maybe. :) | 11:43 |
| Corsac | kirma: hmh, correct | 11:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: the new feature is that it doesn't WSOD! | 11:43 |
| * timsamoff will be back in a while. | 11:44 | |
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| wazd | http://twitpic.com/g6l04 - hate you :( | 11:44 |
| Aswarp | similar in the cost of materials. And given that the OS is being under development for many years, that's scale economies operating there | 11:44 |
| wazd | :P | 11:44 |
| kirma | yes... 599 + shipping in .fi | 11:44 |
| Khertan_ | so it s seems it s the time for me to get an other n810 | 11:44 |
| Khertan_ | as mine is dying | 11:44 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Khertan_: that's because of those times you used it one-handed | 11:45 |
| wazd | Aswarp: It's so much more feature packed than 770, that I'm affraid to describe | 11:45 |
| wazd | Aswarp: 2 different devices | 11:45 |
| Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: that s because he is 2 year old ... and the battery is dying | 11:45 |
| Corsac | kirma: and I assume they wont ship to fr :) | 11:45 |
| Khertan_ | that s also because the keyboard is scratching when opening it | 11:46 |
| Corsac | I'll wait to see if sfr propose me some good price with 1 or 2 year re-contract, and see if expansys has some good prices too | 11:46 |
| Khertan_ | and because sometimes it s reboot without any reason | 11:46 |
| Corsac | especially since I'd prefer a qwerty keyboard | 11:46 |
| qole | timsamoff, you mentioned that you didn't have wifi at the hotel, what's with that?! | 11:46 |
| lardman | I reckon we should all just take a step back and wait and see what happens by way of price plans/possibly dev devices/etc | 11:46 |
| Aswarp | I know they are 2 different devices and i love the new feats. but they are more similar to one another than to a Samsung, HTC or whatever, aren't they? | 11:46 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: sfr will propose you to 500 Euros ttc not less | 11:46 |
| Aswarp | that's no excuse for doubling the price | 11:46 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: with a two year contract ... | 11:47 |
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| Corsac | Khertan_: and maybe much more since it's a renewal | 11:47 |
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| Khertan_ | Corsac: yep | 11:47 |
| Aswarp | 10%, 20& i'd understand, but in no way 100% up | 11:47 |
| * kirma observs twitters complaining that they "should wait" for post-N900 device | 11:47 | |
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| Khertan_ | Corsac: and you will not be able to use all feature as sfr let s only port 80 and https open | 11:47 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: on their 'pseudo' 'illimited' access | 11:47 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: as I heard, not with "full internet" contract | 11:47 |
| kirma | those folks could understand that Maemo is on "next great thing is almost there" track, the way that things have been on for instance PCs hardware for decades | 11:48 |
| wazd | Aswarp: I can say that again, it's much more than 2x more packed | 11:48 |
| Khertan_ | the one at 69 Euros by month ? | 11:48 |
| tlax | any glues why HomeCalendar uses wrong locale? | 11:48 |
| Corsac | the most expensive one, but I think it starts at 49 | 11:48 |
| tlax | err.. clues | 11:48 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: because his developper need a n900 to debug it ... | 11:48 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: really ? | 11:48 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: homecalendar use the pref of mCalendar for locale | 11:49 |
| tlax | heh.. didn't realize you were here.. | 11:49 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: http://s6.s-sfr.fr/mobile/uc/00/2z/x7/FIS_190809_Full_Internet.pdf | 11:49 |
| Aswarp | I'd rather buy a N800 and an HTC, and still got some spare coins for that price | 11:49 |
| tlax | I was going to spam your website with this | 11:49 |
| qole | Wow, Reggie Suplido says it best on Twitter: "I wish Anssi would stop saying 'step x of 5' everytime. Here is the N900 gaining so much momentum and he basically said - skip it." | 11:50 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: héhé | 11:50 |
| tlax | Khertan_: mCalendar works fine, but the HomeCalendar has every time with -4 hours | 11:50 |
| johnx | ha! they borrowed the progressbar idea from tear | 11:50 |
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| Khertan_ | Corsac: yep but imap and smtp is working only with there server | 11:51 |
| tlax | Khertan_: I bet it doesn't like my finnish locale or something | 11:51 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: and things are still limited | 11:51 |
| Aswarp | Will GMail be never down on N900? | 11:51 |
| Aswarp | ;) | 11:51 |
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| Corsac | Khertan_: well, I was told that it worked | 11:51 |
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| Khertan_ | tlax: ah so it s a bug not with locale but with timezone | 11:52 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: i ve hear that not :) | 11:52 |
| Khertan_ | anyway 48Euro by month is too expensive | 11:52 |
| tlax | Khertan_: ah.. hmm.. I will do some further investigations | 11:53 |
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| Khertan_ | currently i paid 18 for 1 one hour + 6 euros for limited access to port 80 and https | 11:53 |
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| Khertan_ | i use it with my n810 | 11:53 |
| lcuk | qole, but you remember. it is a linux device. we do not come because it is complete. we do not become because it is the final version. we come because it is the communities code. we come because we care. | 11:53 |
| Khertan_ | just use webchat.freenode.net and gmail ... | 11:53 |
| Khertan_ | and use privoxy to change the userhost | 11:54 |
| qole | lcuk, we come because it rocks | 11:54 |
| lcuk | totally fucking kicks ass | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | in our pants? | 11:54 |
| qole | lcuk, but yeah, what you said too ;-) | 11:54 |
| lcuk | hah | 11:54 |
| qole | Stskeeps, well it does have vibra API | 11:54 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: anyway ... just wait 1 or 2 weeks ... and you ll get an other nice replacement for mCalendar :) | 11:54 |
| Khertan_ | mPIM :) | 11:54 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: I want *at least* ssh :) | 11:55 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: i ve post some screenshot on my website | 11:55 |
| Corsac | url? | 11:55 |
| nomis | a vibra API strong enough to kick ass? | 11:55 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: just do dns tunneling :) | 11:55 |
| nomis | ouch. | 11:55 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: a bit slower but works | 11:55 |
| qole | I was thinking someone should write an app that vibrates the N900 in time to the beat of the music you are playing. And make the icon a picture of a woman massaging her ankle with the N900. And call it banana phone. And write the app in python. | 11:55 |
| qole | nomis, no strong enough to rock in our pants | 11:56 |
| Corsac | and bind it with wiibrator | 11:56 |
| Khertan_ | qole: i was thinking of stupid starwars laser immitation application | 11:56 |
| Khertan_ | but it s an other good stupid app idea | 11:56 |
| AStorm | better, a call rejection app | 11:56 |
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| Jaffa | qole: email from Peter incoming | 11:57 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: url for mPIM? :) | 11:57 |
| AStorm | that uses the phonebook and has a few settings to drop calls | 11:57 |
| jaska | hmm, i wonder how open the phone apis are, can i make a program that drops all unknown numbers etc? | 11:57 |
| qole | http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html | 11:57 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: not yet available .... but screenshots on my blog : http://khertan.net/ | 11:57 |
| AStorm | none, accept from phonebook, accept from list, accept from quickdial, deny from those | 11:58 |
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| wazd_ | stop droping me, you bastard! | 11:58 |
| qole | Jaffa, that's it? just go ahead? | 11:58 |
| Khertan_ | wazd_: blam peer | 11:58 |
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| Corsac | Khertan_: no intention to add contact management? | 11:58 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: not yet ... | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | qole: Sent from his N900 in a presentation | 11:59 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: but why not | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | qole: You want more? | 11:59 |
| qole | Jaffa, ok, going ahead... | 12:00 |
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| qole | giggles | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | muwhahaha | 12:00 |
| AStorm | oh, a neat feature stolen from another phone | 12:01 |
| AStorm | an option to silence an incoming call w/o dropping it | 12:01 |
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| AStorm | including the buzzer | 12:01 |
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| pyrius | hello to everybody | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | AStorm: which phone has that? | 12:05 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't remember seeing it in the n900 | 12:05 | |
| wazd_ | wow, booklet battery is kinda huge :) | 12:05 |
| AStorm | timeless_mbp: some SE | 12:06 |
| Aswarp | I'm up for the OIOO interface dev | 12:06 |
| Corsac | my SE does that yes | 12:06 |
| * qwerty12_N810 's old-ass K750i could do it | 12:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | oh man | 12:06 |
| wazd_ | AStorm: are you kidding? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | that's *so* unintuitive | 12:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And my W810 | 12:06 |
| Corsac | k600 here :) | 12:06 |
| AStorm | very intuitive | 12:06 |
| wazd_ | AStorm: my 2630 for 50 bucks do that | 12:06 |
| AStorm | it says "I'm not there" | 12:06 |
| AStorm | ;p | 12:06 |
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| wazd_ | AStorm: it's called "Silence call" :D | 12:07 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:07 |
| wazd_ | AStorm: nokia had that for hears | 12:07 |
| Corsac | it rocks | 12:07 |
| vesa | and it's in every phone out there | 12:07 |
| wazd_ | AStorm: even on the cheapest | 12:07 |
| Corsac | "i filter you but you don't know it" | 12:07 |
| pyrius | I'm having a problem with installing canola on n800, it says that libpng and lightmediascanner are missing | 12:07 |
| vesa | if you were being sarcastic i think everyone missed it | 12:07 |
| wazd_ | yeah, now you're gonna die! | 12:08 |
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| wazd_ | :D | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so the silence call feature is absolutely incomprehensible (GUI/UX) on the n900 | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and the button next to silence is kinda broken | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | because it still triggers a missed call info banner | 12:11 |
| AStorm | oh, there is one already? fun! | 12:12 |
| Aswarp | I would leave software issues aside to get the product out sooner and cheaper and then release updates as usual | 12:13 |
| Aswarp | Not that I can cope without copy&paste XD | 12:13 |
| AStorm | timeless_mbp: does it silence the buzzer too? | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:14 |
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| thp | X-Fade: a package in Extras-Testing needs five "thumbs up" reviews to get into Extras? Or what's that "Package karma: 1 out of 5" box on the packages interface? | 12:15 |
| qole | http://maemo.org/community/council/the_n900_from_a_community_perspective | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | thp: Yes, although the actual number is still under debate. | 12:16 |
| qole | Jaffa, there it is. | 12:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless: what are you refering to? incoming call? | 12:16 |
| thp | X-Fade: is there a "minimum days of testing" period, also? | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:17 |
| zacky | why havent anyone got the n900 for a updated a review yet? | 12:17 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Will be yes, but now it is just the lack of testers. | 12:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | in what sense is it difficult? | 12:17 |
| thp | X-Fade: ok, thanks for the info :) | 12:17 |
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| aSIMULAtor | One humourous note; opening and closing apps is accompanied by such human-sounding .whshhht. and .fshhhht. sounds that people look at you, wondering why you're making those funny noises with your mouth. | 12:21 |
| aSIMULAtor | haha | 12:21 |
| aSIMULAtor | :D | 12:21 |
| qole | Well, they DO | 12:21 |
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| mandara | !logs | 12:24 |
| mandara | !log | 12:24 |
| lcuk | !whshhht | 12:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 12:24 |
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| mandara | qwerty12_N810, thnx! | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qole, you have a n900? :P | 12:25 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: and if there is noone to test it ? | 12:25 |
| * ShadowJK tried to remember what the msrp for n97 was at announce | 12:25 | |
| ShadowJK | 700? | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Then we will have a timeout. | 12:25 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: ok | 12:25 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, so it seems, lol | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Where an admin would then need to look at it. | 12:26 |
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| qole | !fshhhht | 12:27 |
| Khertan_ | !!whshhht | 12:28 |
| qole | Stskeeps, "I have been given a brief hands-on time on the N900" | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:28 |
| tlax | Khertan_: yes.. I'm waiting.. for mPIM and n900 :) | 12:28 |
| Corsac | is 'october' 01/09 or 31/09, btw? | 12:29 |
| Corsac | hem | 12:29 |
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| Corsac | 01/10 and 31/10 | 12:29 |
| qole | Corsac, I hope it is before the Summit | 12:29 |
| Khertan_ | do not expect mPIM for n900 ... the small test i ve done with PyGTKEditor on the maemo 5 sdk ... segfault most of the time | 12:29 |
| VDVsx | try just released Nokia maps app, very cool for travelers :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: *cough* | 12:29 |
| VDVsx | *trying | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | last time i checked it couldn't find 20210 | 12:29 |
| Corsac | qole: might make sense *for* maemo summit | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme know if it gets it right this time | 12:29 |
| Khertan_ | so until i get a n900 in my hand i could port my app | 12:30 |
| Corsac | like, attendings getting offers during the stuff, and public sales beginning just after? | 12:30 |
| qole | Corsac, I agree, and everyone who attends the Summit should get a free shirt and a free N900 | 12:30 |
| Corsac | agreed! | 12:30 |
| Corsac | though I wont atted :( | 12:30 |
| RST38bis | Ok, anything new and exciting since I have been called off for a meeting? | 12:30 |
| ShadowJK | http://hintaseuranta.fi/temp/hintagraafit/t213720.png <- so if this is the unsubsidized retail price of N97 in .fi, including the 22% tax, imagine N900 making similar curve starting at 500 :> | 12:31 |
| qole | !whshhht | 12:31 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, via michelin and lonely planet info are really cool, at least | 12:31 |
| Khertan_ | qole: i'm sure we will get a free shirt ... and sure we will not get a free n900 :) | 12:33 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, Re "might drop "Website" from the maemo.nokia.com and maemo.org products" - I also considered that, yeah. not strong opinion though | 12:33 |
| * wazd_ likes Wordpress theming | 12:34 | |
| qole | Khertan_, really? | 12:34 |
| qole | ;-) | 12:34 |
| Khertan_ | qole: and that the developper program will not be launch too before the summit | 12:35 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 12:35 |
| wazd_ | qole: I feel like I'm in US too :) | 12:35 |
| wazd_ | qole: want to sleep so much :) | 12:35 |
| qole | wazd_, I don't feel like I'm in the US... I'm in Canada :-) | 12:35 |
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| wazd_ | qole: oh, whatever :D | 12:36 |
| qole | hahaha | 12:36 |
| qole | Khertan_, tee hee. | 12:36 |
| Myrtti | anything new after Anssi finished his speech? | 12:36 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | qole: The North American country where they speak proper English? :) | 12:36 |
| wazd_ | Myrtti: world collapses right now :) | 12:36 |
| qole | qwerty12_N810, no the one where we speak a bastardised version of English and American | 12:37 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: sure, buddy :D | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | wazd_: I had that feeling an hour ago when I had blood and MRSA bacteria tests taken | 12:37 |
| qole | My poor daughter doesn't know whether she should say "zed" or "zee" | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | wazd_: but if on the Nokia World aspect of things? | 12:37 |
| lardman | zed | 12:37 |
| wazd_ | Where's Zed? ed's dead, baby | 12:38 |
| qole | lardman, if she lived in Britain, it would be easy. | 12:38 |
| wazd_ | Myrtti: it was like an hour bout n97 mini and 30 seconds bout n900 | 12:38 |
| qole | If she lived in the USA, it would be easy. | 12:38 |
| wazd_ | Myrtti: "Oh, and we announcind n900 today. Goodbye" :) | 12:39 |
| qole | I'm 5'11" and I buy my milk by the litre | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | wazd_: wasn't that what Anssi said? anything interesting after that? | 12:39 |
| lardman | qole: same measurement units as we have here, and mph | 12:39 |
| qole | Myrtti, he just walked offstage after that | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | qole: no new speeches or anything? | 12:40 |
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| qole | Well, maybe but nothing televised | 12:40 |
| wazd_ | Myrtti: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/upl … live_2.jpg - uber dpi shot I guess :) | 12:40 |
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| qole | wazd_, the resolution is astonishing. Simply astonishing. | 12:41 |
| wazd_ | qole: not the resolution but dpi | 12:41 |
| wazd_ | qole: resolution is the same :) | 12:41 |
| lcuk | no, they quadrupled it | 12:41 |
| wazd_ | oh crap | 12:41 |
| qole | Erm, eh, yeah, | 12:41 |
| wazd_ | wrong link | 12:41 |
| lcuk | and added fairydust | 12:41 |
| wazd_ | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nokia_n900_live_2.jpg | 12:41 |
| qole | it is an astonishing resolution *at that size* | 12:42 |
| qole | there | 12:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | MicroB is actually usuable too (even though browserd is still used). Rejoice! | 12:42 |
| qole | put the iPhone beside the N900 | 12:42 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, 20210 -> Finland, Lansi ? | 12:42 |
| lcuk | about 250dpi isnt it? | 12:42 |
| jaska | 810 is 225 | 12:43 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: 255 I think | 12:43 |
| qole | An interesting difference between the iPhone and the N900: the colour temperature is different | 12:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | nice photo | 12:43 |
| Corsac | qole: could you take a side by side picture? :) | 12:43 |
| qole | the iPhone is far more blue than the N900 | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | qole: Color temperature is different for all tablet generations. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | qole: 770 was really yellowy. | 12:43 |
| qole | Corsac, no sorry I can't | 12:43 |
| wazd_ | X-Fade: n800 is slightly yellowy too | 12:44 |
| qole | The N900 is much warmer than the iPhone, maybe even yellowy | 12:44 |
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| AStorm | european color scheme ;) | 12:45 |
| wazd_ | qole: is OMWeather pre-installed? :D | 12:45 |
| AStorm | 5500 K | 12:45 |
| lcuk | qole, are you sure you havent got the cpu locked doin something | 12:45 |
| lcuk | which might explain the warmth :D | 12:45 |
| Corsac | qole: ta :) | 12:46 |
| * qole rolls eyes | 12:46 | |
| Khertan_ | ... ... ... ... | 12:47 |
| qole | Very interesting! | 12:47 |
| Khertan_ | jaffa2#maemo5 final SDK before device launch: "few weeks" | 12:47 |
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| qole | The N800 screen looks slightly reddish compared to the N900 | 12:47 |
| lardman | not unexpected | 12:48 |
| AStorm | better diodes in n900 | 12:48 |
| kirma | corsac: I believe they have to apply VAT of the target country in most postal orders, at least more valuable ones... so, probably not | 12:48 |
| lardman | VAT and probably duty too | 12:48 |
| Corsac | kirma: for expansys you mean? | 12:49 |
| kirma | I meant ordering from .fi nokia web shop to .fr | 12:49 |
| Corsac | ha :) | 12:49 |
| Corsac | I dont think it'd be allowed anyway | 12:49 |
| Corsac | but if it is, yeah, they would use the target VAT | 12:50 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: ping?) | 12:50 |
| Khertan_ | on expansys : TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable (CA-75U, included in box) or WLAN/UPnP | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: pong | 12:50 |
| Corsac | or run without tax and have the shipper pay it at border, and have it ask you to pay it | 12:50 |
| qole | Almost 3am. It was fun hearing about posting maps on facebook from your N97 mini. | 12:50 |
| Khertan_ | wlan upnp ... this mean we can send screencast by upnp ? | 12:50 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: I'm re-engeneering my blog now for better Mer stuff coverage | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: alright | 12:51 |
| tlax | Khertan_: does mPIM have a better support for overlapping events? | 12:51 |
| Khertan_ | overlapping ? | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: moving mer ui towards being a part of design.maemo.org could be neat too | 12:51 |
| Khertan_ | google my friend | 12:51 |
| Khertan_ | tlax: not yet | 12:52 |
| Khertan_ | but it s in developpment :) | 12:52 |
| lardman | ah, more news on the device program | 12:52 |
| julianol1ver | Stskeeps: indeed.. | 12:52 |
| tlax | Khertan_: yes, when for example a meeting begins before another one has ended.. it's hard to read if they are just listed from top to down :P | 12:52 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: yeah | 12:52 |
| VDVsx | lardman, well, at least there will be a device program ;) | 12:53 |
| lbt | how do I tell planet to only look at maemo tagged posts in my blogger.com blog? | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Ok, changed | 13:02 |
| lbt | ta | 13:02 |
| RST38bis | Any Bounce Evolution screenshots? | 13:02 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38bis: yerga just posted a YouTube link on TMO of a new video and in it, the guy plays Bounce Evolution | 13:04 |
| VDVsx | RST38bis, want a video ? | 13:05 |
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| VDVsx | :P | 13:05 |
| _berto_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo | 13:05 |
| _berto_ | at 4:00 | 13:06 |
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| lardman | lol @ Jaffa's free beer | 13:06 |
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| Andy80 | _berto_, you did that game? | 13:07 |
| kirma | does N900 touchscreen extend beyond the display frames or am I just imagining things? | 13:07 |
| kirma | for side scrolling that would seem nice | 13:07 |
| Khertan_ | kirma: i see that too | 13:08 |
| lardman | it did seem like that didn't it on the demo movie | 13:08 |
| lardman | can't remember what it did though | 13:08 |
| julianol1ver | hmm, looking at that video you can see the scrolling on the N900 really needs to be smoother. | 13:09 |
| _berto_ | Andy80: no | 13:09 |
| kirma | in my opinion that would be extremely good for user experience when a lot of UIs involved are full-screen scrollable "pages" | 13:09 |
| kirma | julianol1ver: to me it seems like the video stutters in general... but well, it might be just my machine | 13:12 |
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| julianol1ver | i thought the same but in nearly ever scrolling action in the video there appears to be a point where the scroll itself stutters/pauses. i also saw it on the Nokia N900 intro. | 13:14 |
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| X-Fade | julianol1ver: All pre-release software? | 13:14 |
| julianol1ver | indeed | 13:15 |
| julianol1ver | i'm sure it'll improve before release. | 13:15 |
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| Andy80 | yes... the scrolling doesn't look so good :\ | 13:20 |
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| kirma | well, I think some people can tell already today, and personally tomorrow (when it's also on flagship stores) | 13:21 |
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| adeus | looking at the hw it'll definitely be a sw problem | 13:21 |
| adeus | and can be upgraded | 13:21 |
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| * zerojayPC awakens. | 13:22 | |
| wazd_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo | 13:23 |
| zerojayPC | So has the world falllen apart yet? | 13:23 |
| kirma | yep | 13:23 |
| * zerojayPC clicks. | 13:23 | |
| kirma | it's just interesting if nobody has seen polishing that away as a priority that could be pushed through before release | 13:23 |
| wazd_ | I got hot | 13:23 |
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| zerojayPC | Quim has to be SO fucking proud right now. | 13:24 |
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| wazd_ | zerojayPC: why only Quim, all of us :) | 13:26 |
| zerojayPC | Absolutely. | 13:27 |
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| lardman | argh, why is my ssh session so damn slow?! | 13:30 |
| adeus | your network sucks? | 13:31 |
| lardman | nope, N810 is sat 2' away from the router | 13:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: because you're downloading porn | 13:31 |
| lardman | hmm, let me check | 13:31 |
| lardman | nope | 13:31 |
| wazd_ | lardman: check again then :D | 13:32 |
| wazd_ | damn, maemo 5 looks fantastic | 13:32 |
| wazd_ | altough youtube was a biit choppy | 13:32 |
| lcuk | did somebody say scrolling was shit on n900? | 13:33 |
| julianol1ver | well, i didn't say it was shit, just that based on what's seen in that that video, there's room for improvement ;) | 13:34 |
| lcuk | ahhh right :) that sort of thing obviously matters to me :) | 13:34 |
| lcuk | can anyone actually get liqbase runnin on 900 and tell me if it scrolls ok | 13:35 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground in extras-devel, and if you had it before, uninstall and reinstall) | 13:36 |
| lcuk | hopefully it will be worth it | 13:36 |
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| julianol1ver | well the videos i saw of liqbase scrolling and scaling look notably smoother than stock maemo on the n900. again, all mediated by videos so not a good base for opinion.. | 13:36 |
| lcuk | well my videos are all based on n810 | 13:36 |
| lcuk | not n900 | 13:36 |
| julianol1ver | huh, of course. | 13:36 |
| lcuk | :) | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i wonder how well it will cope on the omap3 :) | 13:37 |
| julianol1ver | :| | 13:37 |
| julianol1ver | a cheap test might be grabbing a beagleboard.. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | not really , im at work | 13:37 |
| julianol1ver | technically i am too.. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | if someone gets it runnin on n900, please show a video | 13:38 |
| lcuk | there are a few goodies - desktop searching, ability to add/remove desktop items at will (persisted) | 13:38 |
| lcuk | an amazing little starfield simulator thats very very touchable and wobblable (accelerometers..) | 13:39 |
| zerojayPC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8blPNtqJaeM - Finnish dudes are apparently really emo and creepy. | 13:39 |
| * qwerty12_N810 gives them a razor | 13:39 | |
| aSIMULAtor | finnish dudes are interesting. | 13:40 |
| julianol1ver | zerojayPC: i think you need to widen your population sample before jumping to conclusions ;) | 13:40 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAtor: Hey, glad to see you decided not to be a stranger after all. ;) | 13:40 |
| zerojayPC | julianol1ver: It's called a joke. | 13:40 |
| lardman | in python, can I create "arrays" of class references? I assume so, but what are they called? | 13:41 |
| julianol1ver | zerojayPC: ahah, a finnish word? | 13:41 |
| lardman | s/class reference/objects | 13:41 |
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| aSIMULAtor | no i won't be a stranger :) | 13:42 |
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| aSIMULAtor | i go on irc a lot so i guess it would be good to idle in this channel and network i guess | 13:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | :P | 13:43 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAtor: I do the same: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3878795833/ | 13:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah irc 4 life. | 13:45 |
| aSIMULAtor | unfortunately i'm addicted to it and have been for hte past 15 years | 13:45 |
| zerojayPC | It's been about as long for me. Met my wife on IRC even. | 13:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | yz my husband and i used to frequent efnet :P | 13:46 |
| adeus | lardman, hmm? they're called "arrays" :) | 13:46 |
| kirma | yep, fifteen years of more or less around-the-clock irc lurking is the default | 13:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | yay for us! | 13:46 |
| lardman | adeus: ok, was wondering if those were only for numeric data | 13:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | IRC has totally messed up my sleeping pattern :( | 13:46 |
| adeus | nope | 13:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | nothign but benefits with irc imo, you can even talk to people with ppd-nos or autism in a good way | 13:47 |
| zerojayPC | Relax, bladder. You can go pee when I'm done catching up with all the N900 stuff that's gone on while we were asleep. | 13:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | it screws up your sleeping pattern if you generally talk to people on the other side of hte globe so the solution: move there :P | 13:47 |
| julianol1ver | aSIMULAtor: hehe | 13:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aSIMULAtor: :p | 13:47 |
| * zerojayPC reads qole's impressions of N900 while doing the peepee dance. | 13:47 | |
| kirma | sleeping patterns were much more messed up before the great split when many channels had practically around-the-clock peak activity | 13:47 |
| kirma | but after that, it has been much easier. | 13:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | haha | 13:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh that's one thing i dno't miss...split servers | 13:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | i haven't seen that in...years | 13:47 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAtor: Yeah, I used to have a ton of Aussie friends. Those were the days. | 13:48 |
| aSIMULAtor | partly due to idling in private irc networks. | 13:48 |
| kirma | well, the great split was intentional I suppose? | 13:48 |
| aSIMULAtor | are u talking in terms of efnet history? | 13:48 |
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| kirma | errm... the primary network I use is ircnet. the US part split somewhere... god, it's so many years ago, I don't remember the details. | 13:49 |
| Myrtti | freenode ♥ | 13:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | all the finns seems to be on ircnet | 13:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | i used to hate freenode cause of chanserv but | 13:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | i guess it's good in terms of people not being able to take over channels and stupid botnets | 13:50 |
| Myrtti | chanserv and nickserv are full of love | 13:50 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh and of course nick takeovers | 13:51 |
| kirma | pretty serene in ircnet nowadays too. not much of anything "interesting" going on for years. | 13:51 |
| adeus | I remember when efnet split into ircnet and efnet | 13:52 |
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| aSIMULAtor | yeah mje too and all the dark underbellyish type of ppl stayed on efnet :P | 13:52 |
| kirma | either I hadn't really settled in the irc use properly yet that time, or somethow just ignored it... when it was? | 13:53 |
| lardman | aaaarrrrrggggghhhh | 13:53 |
| lardman | bloody syntax error, what's wrong with you!? | 13:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | geez i don't remember..was it 95 or 96? | 13:53 |
| adeus | wikipedia tells us that is was -96 | 13:53 |
| adeus | it | 13:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah somewhere around taht time | 13:54 |
| lardman | in python, "tab[3] = None", what's wrong with that? | 13:54 |
| zerojayPC | I was almost always on the smaller networks during that time. | 13:54 |
| zerojayPC | Chatnet being the one I was on the most back then. | 13:54 |
| kirma | I think I started trying out irc around '94, and really settled in permanently (like 24 hours connected) on first half of '96 | 13:54 |
| zerojayPC | Efnet from time to time. | 13:54 |
| julianol1ver | lardman: maybe 'None' isn't recognised as null value | 13:54 |
| kirma | obviously having a reasonable way of even getting a terminal connection to internet was a bit of a challenge still that time | 13:55 |
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| lardman | no, the arrow points at the tab[3] variable | 13:55 |
| kirma | currently using ircnet, efnet, freenode and some australian network :) | 13:55 |
| lardman | I wonder if tab is a reserved array with only 3 elements | 13:56 |
| adeus | what? | 13:56 |
| adeus | no | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | lardman: are you getting a syntax error? | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | most likely you got the indentation wrong | 13:56 |
| julianol1ver | indeed.. | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | e.g. check for a mixup of tabs and spaces | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | for python a tab is always equal to eight spaces | 13:56 |
| lardman | ah, had a blank line with not enough spaces on it | 13:57 |
| lardman | thanks | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | well, technically, up to 8 spaces | 13:57 |
| lardman | 8 spaces? | 13:57 |
| adeus | python -t | 13:57 |
| lardman | does it have to be so many? | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | because it's The Law | 13:57 |
| adeus | always recommended | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | tab = 8 spaces since times immemorial | 13:57 |
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| lardman | can I use 4 instead? | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | better yet: don't use tabs | 13:57 |
| lardman | I'm not using tabs | 13:57 |
| lardman | but this is Python | 13:58 |
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| mgedmin | good, then | 13:58 |
| adeus | then any length you want | 13:58 |
| mgedmin | it's traditional to use 4 spaces as indentation in Python | 13:58 |
| mgedmin | (except for Google internal code, where they use 2 spaces, misguided poor folk that they are) | 13:58 |
| lardman | fine, that's what I'm using | 13:58 |
| julianol1ver | often mistaken for a 4 space tab! | 13:58 |
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| zerojayPC | So... the NW keynote... recorded somewhere? | 13:59 |
| adeus | mgedmin, maybe it's Guidos own code :) | 13:59 |
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| adeus | or is he still with Google | 13:59 |
| lardman | hmm, same error | 14:00 |
| lardman | argh, missing bracket on line before | 14:00 |
| zerojayPC | http://brightkite.com/objects/5b9914ee979a11debc53003048c10834?referer=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F | 14:01 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 14:01 |
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| aSIMULAtor | zerojay: nw keynote summary...blahblahblah n97mini, bunch of x series phones, n900 2 mins. the end :P | 14:06 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, just came across a tweet that said about the same thing. :/ | 14:08 |
| tuukkah | mgedmin, google updated their style guide to four space indents this july | 14:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stupidly planned, IMO. N97 has already been announced, people know what it is; the X series phones aren't as powerful; the netbook is nice, granted; but the N900 trumps them all but only got 2 mins :\ | 14:08 |
| zerojayPC | If the N900 is only step 4 out of 5... | 14:09 |
| zerojayPC | I think it's time to officially sell my soul to Nokia. | 14:09 |
| aSIMULAtor | well...i think that people will be blogging heavily about the n900, showing hands on videos..and those alone will speak for the device | 14:09 |
| jaska | heh, back when i got angry at s60 on my 6600 i said i wont buy another nokia phone unless they have something other than symbian | 14:10 |
| Andy80 | that's so bad they told that thing of 4/5 steps | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | zerojayPC: heh, been there done that | 14:10 |
| lardman | pysqlite experts around? | 14:11 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAtor: I'm so glad to see that the device is so good that it feels like our devotion to the platform has paid off. | 14:11 |
| lardman | if I want to add a row to a table, but leave out one value so it will be autogenerated (i.e. the key), can I do that? | 14:12 |
| zerojayPC | jaska: I used to develop mobile games at our company. I remembered being so pissed at the 3650/7650 and their broken JVM implementation. | 14:12 |
| zerojayPC | jaska: When our company got out of mobile, I bought the N95... and begged for the 3650. | 14:12 |
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| zerojayPC | And then I danced on that bitch. | 14:13 |
| jaska | the 6600 was so sluggish and buggy | 14:13 |
| kirma | nobody should be forced to develop for java phones | 14:13 |
| kirma | even more horrible mess than symbian | 14:13 |
| zerojayPC | And when you realize I'm a 350 pound dude... you know it wasn't a dance the 3650 liked. haha | 14:13 |
| adeus | hey let's not get nuts here | 14:13 |
| RST38bis | VDVsx,qwerty: Thanks, going to t.m.o for it =) | 14:13 |
| jaska | oh | 14:13 |
| jaska | adeus: already nuts. | 14:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | zerojayPC: yes i can understand what you mean :) though, i'm not a developer myself, but i still get what u mean :D | 14:14 |
| zacky | do maemo/n900 have iphone like playlists? like recently listened to, newly added and so on? | 14:14 |
| zerojayPC | If I wasn't making videogames for a living and I had the average 18 years of experience needed, I'd run on over to work with the Maemo team myself. | 14:15 |
| jaska | work? whats that?:( | 14:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | zerojayPC: hrm yes i suppose it would be interesting working in maemo | 14:17 |
| zerojayPC | aSIMULAtor: Helping to push something I'm red hot passionate about would be a dream. | 14:18 |
| kirma | supposedly (?) N900 doesn't have DRM stuff initially, so it's pretty much the same what player you install to play the music... you have to get it yourself anyway. | 14:18 |
| aSIMULAtor | zerojayPC: agreed | 14:18 |
| * zerojayPC yawns... time to head off to work, I guess. | 14:18 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, a database table with id field set to autonumber? | 14:20 |
| lardman | not to worry, am sorted now | 14:20 |
| lardman | thanks though | 14:20 |
| lcuk | if so, in your update query, just dont set the id as part of the fieldlist | 14:20 |
| aSIMULAtor | have a good day at work | 14:20 |
| lcuk | furry nuff | 14:20 |
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| zerojayPC | I'll still be around. :) | 14:20 |
| zerojayPC | I used the Google Talk presence balls in a document I made for my company yesterday. | 14:21 |
| zerojayPC | It had the weird side effect of making my brain say "Level 2 is online, Level 4 is away..." | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Has that benchmarking site done a test of the n900 vs the iphone. | 14:23 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember then name. | 14:24 | |
| RST38bis | no | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | blendtek | 14:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:24 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 14:24 |
| RST38bis | ah THAT benchmarking! | 14:24 |
| RST38bis | still no. | 14:24 |
| kirma | supposedly iphone 3gs has GPU with double the performance that of N900... and half the screen resolution? | 14:25 |
| RST38bis | kirma: 3gs has a cortexA8 CPU from Samsung afaik | 14:25 |
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| kirma | I suspect gaming is going to be considerably more limited on N900 | 14:25 |
| Khertan_ | kirma: why ? | 14:25 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Who said the GPU is twice faster? | 14:26 |
| Khertan_ | there is keyboard | 14:26 |
| kirma | I'm trying to remember | 14:26 |
| Khertan_ | so it could just be better | 14:26 |
| RST38bis | 3GS: ARM Cortex-A8 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz PowerVR SGX GPU | 14:27 |
| lcuk | kirma, i suspect there may be more than one way to skin a cat :) | 14:27 |
| Khertan_ | The 3GS, for example, runs a Samsung S5PC100 system-on-chip clipping along at a healthy 600MHz, | 14:27 |
| lcuk | gaming isnt about processor power or resolution | 14:27 |
| zerojayPC | lcuk: It's not? :) | 14:27 |
| kirma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR | 14:27 |
| RST38bis | N900: 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX 530 GPU + 430MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) | 14:27 |
| lcuk | if that was the case, what the hell games have we been playing for the last 20 years | 14:27 |
| kirma | grep for N900 and iPhone 3GS | 14:28 |
| derf | RST38bis: Of which 2 of those 4 we might actually be able to use? | 14:28 |
| kirma | 3GS is SGX535, N900 is SGX530 | 14:28 |
| lcuk | if you can create an enthralling game on an 8086 and 8kb of memory.... | 14:28 |
| RST38bis | kirma: ah | 14:29 |
| AStorm | or 80286 and 120 KB | 14:29 |
| * RST38bis is fine with 8bit games running on Z80 | 14:29 | |
| lcuk | yeah rst | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: in the year 2009, that doesn't fly :) | 14:29 |
| zerojayPC | lcuk: Good luck doing that now. | 14:29 |
| lcuk | of course it does qwerty | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | bullshit | 14:29 |
| RST38bis | In fact, availability of 3D hardware encourages virtual tourism and harms playability | 14:29 |
| jaska | 8086 flies, given sufficient thrust | 14:30 |
| esaym153 | lol tourism | 14:30 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, its entirely feasible | 14:30 |
| zerojayPC | lcuk: As someone that makes games as a living, I'm telling you that you can't. :) | 14:30 |
| AStorm | google Knights of the Chalice guys :) | 14:30 |
| Khertan_ | SGX530/1 (14 MPolys/s) for the handheld mobile market SGX535 and SGX540 (28 MPolys/s) for handheld high end mobile, portable, MID, UMPC, consumer, and automotive devices | 14:30 |
| zerojayPC | Not because the hardware isn't good enough. | 14:30 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, if you havent seen the new liqbase, please do | 14:30 |
| RST38bis | Ok the Bounce game is actually a port from S60e5 | 14:30 |
| lcuk | then tell me if your mind is still undecided | 14:31 |
| zerojayPC | But because no one wants to see a game on that now. | 14:31 |
| AStorm | 2x fillrate | 14:31 |
| AStorm | but no DSP | 14:31 |
| AStorm | so it might be a tie | 14:31 |
| Khertan_ | yep | 14:31 |
| zerojayPC | lcuk: Unless liqbase runs on that 8086 you talked about, it's not relevant. :) | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | get me an 8086 handheld touch screen device :) | 14:32 |
| lcuk | and i will | 14:32 |
| julianol1ver | then there's the economic question of whether Maemo will be a viable target for game developers: http://larvalabs.com/blog/iphone/android-market-sales/ | 14:32 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: Just buy a used Zoomer | 14:32 |
| aquatix | lcuk: knowing the webs it exists (soon) | 14:32 |
| kirma | I wonder how the DSP is actually used on N900 software | 14:32 |
| zerojayPC | julianol1ver: It's not. | 14:32 |
| lcuk | cool rst | 14:32 |
| julianol1ver | indeed.. at least for now | 14:32 |
| kirma | features of it don't seem so convicing in 3D to me | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one somewhere lcuk that you could have. 486 based IIRC. | 14:32 |
| * SpeedEvil has no idea where it is. | 14:33 | |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 14:33 |
| AStorm | kirma: on N810 it was, e.g. for mp3 decoding | 14:33 |
| AStorm | and sound mixing | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Got from ebay ages ago. | 14:33 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: for all audio | 14:33 |
| kirma | and it's awfully hard to use in comparison to OpenGL ES 2.0 primitives (GPU) and NEON (CPU, interleaved to normal machine code) | 14:33 |
| julianol1ver | kirma: there's been a strong 2D game market for phones for years.. i think the problem is whether or not enough people will own Maemo 5 devices and then, if they will buy. | 14:33 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: which was a drawback | 14:33 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, the point is, putting everything down to mhz and megapixels etc is the wrong way to look at gaming | 14:33 |
| lcuk | ive been coding for the 810 when everyone else has pretty much given up | 14:33 |
| zerojayPC | lcuk: To a point. | 14:33 |
| lcuk | i really hope its worth it, cos it should run like the dogs bollocks on the n900 | 14:34 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: but a fast drawback ;) | 14:34 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Neon and GPU are not comparable, different purposes | 14:34 |
| zerojayPC | Gamers don't even look at PS2 games anymore. | 14:34 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: Until you need to do some audio processing on the cpu | 14:34 |
| Khertan_ | zerojayPC: a real don t play game on console | 14:34 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, but they look at wii games | 14:34 |
| julianol1ver | zerojayPC: still a really strong market for PS2s in Europe. | 14:34 |
| lcuk | and the quality of modelling is about the same | 14:34 |
| Khertan_ | s/real/ real gamer | 14:34 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: that was DSP bridge problem, hopefully solved in the newer cpu | 14:34 |
| RST38bis | zerojay: And guess why they look at NDS and Wii games but do not look at PS2 | 14:34 |
| kirma | lcuk: what I was saying above was just that it's unlikely that N900 is a match for 3GS in those terms | 14:34 |
| AStorm | kirma: likely it is | 14:35 |
| zerojayPC | RST38bis: Nintendo. | 14:35 |
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| RST38bis | zerojay: Nintendo what? Is it poisoning their water or what? | 14:35 |
| zerojayPC | The apple of the gaming world. | 14:35 |
| RST38bis | zerojay: ORLY? | 14:35 |
| zerojayPC | unfortunately. | 14:35 |
| derf | The problems with the DSP were mostly that the software toolchain was awful. | 14:35 |
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| kirma | RST38bis: of course. but how much the DSP helps the 3D performance? I doubt it isn't even used for that on N900. | 14:35 |
| lardman | derf: toolchain wasn't that bad | 14:36 |
| lardman | derf: no 8bit type was bad, plus DSP Gateway is clunky | 14:36 |
| derf | lardman: Well, partly I'm lumping the DSP gateway and task manager, etc., into that. | 14:37 |
| lcuk | heh simon, how many times did 16bit bytes bite you! | 14:37 |
| derf | But really, compared to "gcc & go" for the CPU, it's not even in the same ballpark. | 14:37 |
| lardman | lcuk: they generally just annoyed the hell out of me :) | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah - I'd like - for example - a nice decent full-screenish 8 bit emulator on there. | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | With a d-pad - which is unfortunate. | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (as in 3d performance not being all) | 14:41 |
| AStorm | ah btw, where's dpad on n900? | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also nethack with scrolling using the accellerometer. | 14:41 |
| jaska | victim of "progress" like the screen size | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: There is none. Instead, you get arrow buttons on the keyboard | 14:42 |
| AStorm | whee | 14:42 |
| AStorm | arrows ftw | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You're Polish, right? | 14:42 |
| RST38bis | kirma: By DSP you mean NEON? I do not think it does, not if you are running 3D on GPU | 14:42 |
| AStorm | yeah | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You may not like that then... | 14:42 |
| RST38bis | zerojay: I think you are missing the point with Nintendo | 14:42 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12_N810: not like what? | 14:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: Up is Fn (Sym) + Left | 14:42 |
| kirma | I mean the texas instruments whatever DSP | 14:43 |
| RST38bis | zerojay: The point is that Nintendo filters games it approves, with respect to playability amoung other things | 14:43 |
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| AStorm | wth? | 14:43 |
| jaska | are there not 4 arrows? | 14:43 |
| Khertan_ | Nintendo filters games it approves <<< hahahahah | 14:43 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N810: looks like there are 4 | 14:43 |
| Khertan_ | really ? | 14:43 |
| RST38bis | zerojay: On PlayStation you just have scores of similar looking similar playing games, with huge bias toward virtual tourism | 14:43 |
| AStorm | unless the German edition is broken | 14:43 |
| kirma | which is, surprisingly, missing from non-TI chip :) | 14:43 |
| AStorm | then I'm ordering from elsewhere | 14:43 |
| RST38bis | Khertan: Yep, that is why developers absolutely hate Nintendo | 14:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: Polish one may be OK but the Finnish one is messed for sure | 14:44 |
| kirma | anyway, the Cortex-A8 core is supposedly pretty identical (ARM+NEON) on N900 and 3GS | 14:44 |
| jaska | whaat? | 14:44 |
| jaska | finnish one lacks 4 arrows? | 14:44 |
| jaska | argh | 14:44 |
| kirma | jaska: yep. | 14:44 |
| RST38bis | ehehehe | 14:44 |
| * jaska goes throw rubber boots at nokia hq | 14:44 | |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N810: there will be a Polish one? interesting | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's the rumour | 14:44 |
| kirma | shift-leftright = updown | 14:44 |
| AStorm | btw, is there a chr-like key? | 14:44 |
| RST38bis | Order the US version. | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume all the keys are identical but for keymap? | 14:44 |
| kirma | or something | 14:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: Yes, the specs list Poland as a supported market | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can fix it with tippex | 14:44 |
| RST38bis | Speed: Yea | 14:44 |
| AStorm | which I could abuse for diacritics | 14:45 |
| RST38bis | but they are also labeled this way | 14:45 |
| AStorm | hmmmm | 14:45 |
| keesj | does it have a C= key? | 14:45 |
| kirma | thankfully it's reasonably tinkerable, unlike on symbian... | 14:45 |
| RST38bis | keesj: Yes, inside, on the board | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jaska: http://twitpic.com/ffnk5 | 14:46 |
| kirma | C=(E/m)^(1/2) | 14:46 |
| jaska | thats not a finnish kbd | 14:46 |
| AStorm | better: C< | 14:46 |
| AStorm | Commodore key ;) | 14:46 |
| kirma | <3 key is also important for teen phones. | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want my Alt :) | 14:46 |
| jaska | ; and é would get a remapping | 14:47 |
| jaska | i remapped the n810 for | $ etc | 14:47 |
| AStorm | ffs | 14:47 |
| AStorm | yeah, they axed the alt/chr | 14:47 |
| AStorm | whyohwhy | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | fn sym | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I remapped ¥ to tab on my N810 but remapping may test ones patience on an N900 considering the amount of keys available is fewer :) | 14:48 |
| adeus | azerty | 14:48 |
| adeus | some french thingy | 14:48 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: sorry, not enough symbols | 14:48 |
| jaska | whats the up-right arrow under ctrl? | 14:48 |
| AStorm | jaska: Fn | 14:48 |
| jaska | ah yes | 14:48 |
| jaska | guess i'll live without ä and ö then | 14:48 |
| jaska | so i can have arrows | 14:49 |
| AStorm | where there's a will, there's a way | 14:49 |
| AStorm | we *will* hack the keymap ;) | 14:49 |
| jaska | yeah, did on n810, dont see why not same for n900 | 14:49 |
| kirma | also, a on-the-corner trancluent arrow key gesture area and such might help working on terminals | 14:50 |
| kirma | ctrl and esc are supposedly already on terminal touchscreen...? | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.willitblend.com/suggestions.aspx - I've sent my request. | 14:50 |
| AStorm | aaah, the arrow key brings something? | 14:51 |
| jaska | on-screen keys waste too much screen real-estate | 14:51 |
| jaska | for xterm | 14:51 |
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| kirma | compositing window manager and hardware acceleration make it possible to both notice the area *and* see the window below though | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: for xterms - a 5% transparent overlay keyb may work | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38bis: any update on a vertical shortcut bar? I'm thinking of coding a quick hack but my idea will require you to restart the X Terminal to see the change :\ | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (in xterm) | 14:53 |
| AStorm | woe be to all vim users | 14:54 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's surprising that a vertical shortcut bar isn't the default, actually, considering that the buttons in all dialogs got moved to the right... | 14:55 |
| RST38bis | qwerty: Of course no update | 14:55 |
| RST38bis | qwerty: The usual | 14:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 14:55 |
| * julianol1ver :s/AStorm// | 14:55 | |
| AStorm | ? | 14:55 |
| julianol1ver | hehe, not a vim user are you :) | 14:55 |
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| AStorm | I said that all vim users will be unhappy with an on-screen esc | 14:56 |
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| julianol1ver | yes, that's bad.. | 14:56 |
| AStorm | n8x0 have it near the screen, a hardware button | 14:56 |
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| AStorm | (the curly arrow) | 14:56 |
| Khertan_ | AStorm: you know that there is real text editor now in the 21th century | 14:58 |
| Khertan_ | ... ... .. :) | 14:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sed | 14:58 |
| Khertan_ | pffff | 14:58 |
| thux | ed | 14:58 |
| AStorm | pfffff | 14:58 |
| Khertan_ | PyGTKEditor !!!! | 14:58 |
| jaska | havent yet encountered anything id rather use over vim | 14:58 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 14:58 |
| AStorm | cat | 14:58 |
| lbt | dog | 14:59 |
| jaska | there is a cat replacement named dog | 14:59 |
| jaska | think it cats urls etc | 14:59 |
| lbt | damn ... I was thinking of something that didn't even run! | 14:59 |
| LoCusF | jaska: wtf, no ä and ö? | 14:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want to see bocat... | 14:59 |
| LoCusF | on N900? | 14:59 |
| jaska | locusf: sure there is.. but the finnish one doesnt have all the arrows so i'll just remap ä/ö into them | 15:00 |
| jaska | and hide ä and ö behind fn | 15:00 |
| LoCusF | oh ok | 15:00 |
| adeus | is there å in the finnish version? | 15:00 |
| jaska | havent seen an image of it yet.. | 15:01 |
| adeus | all 0% of finnish words contain it :P | 15:01 |
| adeus | just begging to be something else | 15:01 |
| jaska | n810 had one | 15:01 |
| jaska | swedes use it... and the model for n810 was same for nordic countries i think | 15:02 |
| AStorm | what about the Swedish minority? | 15:02 |
| LoCusF | yup, maybe to make it compatible with all other scandinavian countries | 15:02 |
| AStorm | jaska: beat me to it | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | AStorm: I'm a heavy vim user, and I'm perfectly happy with an on-screen esc | 15:02 |
| * wazd_ don't like Wordpress themes | 15:02 | |
| AStorm | mgedmin: and I'm not ;p | 15:02 |
| thux | in hellsink you can see n900 3.9 what about elsewhere? | 15:02 |
| jaska | see? can you buy?:P | 15:03 |
| AStorm | ah btw, how large is the screen now? | 15:03 |
| thux | just try i think | 15:03 |
| jaska | might have to order my bro who still lives there go loot one for me :| | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | I expect to be very unhappy not to have a half-screen virtual keyboard any more, if the rumours are true | 15:03 |
| RST38bis | Astorm: Approximately the same size as the window area on Maemo4 | 15:03 |
| AStorm | looks smaller | 15:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: it's true: no stylus keyboard anymore | 15:03 |
| AStorm | RST38bis: hmmh | 15:03 |
| AStorm | and the resolution? | 15:03 |
| RST38bis | same | 15:03 |
| lcuk | RST38bis, thats what i noticed | 15:03 |
| lcuk | its not that different | 15:04 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders when/if the n900 will be picked up by carriers in the UK. | 15:09 | |
| Khertan_ | there is a stylus on n900 ? | 15:09 |
| lardman | yes | 15:09 |
| zacky | yes | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:09 |
| AStorm | where? | 15:09 |
| kirma | yes! | 15:09 |
| kirma | ;) | 15:09 |
| lardman | bottom right | 15:09 |
| AStorm | mhm | 15:10 |
| zacky | under the battery | 15:10 |
| lardman | iirc | 15:10 |
| aSIMULAtor | hardly any use for the stylus to be honest | 15:10 |
| * qwerty12_N810 uses a stylus out of habit | 15:10 | |
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| zacky | I dont use a stylus out of habit | 15:10 |
| * SpeedEvil rarely wears a habit. | 15:11 | |
| * lcuk uses a stylus cos i have it surgically implanted | 15:11 | |
| Khertan_ | Limitation of Home Area applets : Unlike Diablo in Fremantle these applets don't support text input, pannable areas, resizing nor scrolling. <<<< | 15:11 |
| Khertan_ | arg | 15:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | why not just shave your the tip of your fingers to be pointy | 15:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | that shows ur totally hardcore to the max | 15:11 |
| lcuk | i tried that | 15:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | o | 15:11 |
| aSIMULAtor | implants are cool too i guess | 15:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | :) | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | interesting location for the stylus btw | 15:12 |
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| mgedmin | I'd think it would be inconvenient to access it while the n900 is standing on a table with its integrated stand open | 15:12 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg | 15:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | no it's not difficult to access the stylus | 15:13 |
| lcuk | forget that - i wonder what happens when you poke it in top corners - n810 was just the same | 15:13 |
| kirma | khertan? | 15:13 |
| Khertan_ | kirma: yep ? | 15:13 |
| aSIMULAtor | hrm only 1gb of ram and not expandable on the booklet? damn that sucks | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | aSIMULAtor: 256M of RAM | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | the gig is a lie. | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | A delicious lie. | 15:14 |
| kirma | "home area applets" are the "small apps" on the desktop? | 15:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | on the booklet | 15:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | ? | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm surprised at the booklet being only 75€ more than the N900 | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | aSIMULAtor: oops | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | aSIMULAtor: sorry | 15:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah so 1gb with no ability to expand to like 2 gigs f that | 15:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | i was all excited now i'm not | 15:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | hrmph | 15:14 |
| Khertan_ | kirma: yep | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aSIMULAtor: But Windows' virtual memory works *so* well :) | 15:15 |
| kirma | khertan: text input limitation sounds a bit strange, but otherwise... hmh, not so bad I suspect. | 15:15 |
| adeus | I'm guessing it interferese with the general usability? | 15:16 |
| adeus | -e | 15:16 |
| kirma | probably, in some what I'm not able to think right now | 15:16 |
| adeus | your trying to change the desktop | 15:17 |
| adeus | and you select a text box? | 15:17 |
| Khertan_ | adeus ... hum ... maybe | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: just click on the applet and create a popup? | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Looks like everything is done that way. | 15:19 |
| Khertan_ | yep ... the text isn't the problem ... :) this is the scrolling which make me doubt | 15:19 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 15:19 |
| Khertan_ | but i think that if they do it like that there is some reason | 15:19 |
| Khertan_ | so i ll do it with it | 15:19 |
| lcuk | add buttons to your widgets to pageup/down if thats your boggle | 15:20 |
| * lcuk prefers another way tho | 15:20 | |
| * kirma enjoys the entirely brain-damaged news written of nokia product releases and ten times more brain-damaged "analysis" on the commentary of those news, mostly written by people whose life seems to consist of hoping for nokia to go bankcrupt because success stories are so detested in .fi | 15:21 | |
| kirma | so completely pointless stuff, but goes on and on. | 15:21 |
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| kirma | of course, many of these are apple fanatics. | 15:21 |
| Khertan_ | clearly ... i think that the device seems so responsive that launching app will be fast as looking at applet | 15:22 |
| kirma | "facebook phone drives nokia to bankcruptcy" <- what? | 15:22 |
| Khertan_ | lol | 15:22 |
| Khertan_ | this is the one that predict the death of apple ? | 15:23 |
| kirma | these folks are just seriously twisted. finnish culture is very "if I don't benefit, benefit of anybody else must be evil too" ... and nokia is a really big evil on that basis. | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 15:26 |
| jaska | thats finns for you alright | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Some cultures seem to be a lot like that. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | UK can be like that. | 15:26 |
| AStorm | kirma: sounds like the Poles | 15:27 |
| AStorm | ;) | 15:27 |
| kirma | I suspect poland doesn't have one big company that would allow building all-encompassing alternate reality inside the heads of so many | 15:28 |
| AStorm | we do/did: called Telekomunikacja Polska | 15:28 |
| AStorm | now part of Orange | 15:28 |
| kirma | I really wonder how these folks think demise of nokia and success of apple helping finland, or their life... | 15:28 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: rotten part? =) | 15:28 |
| AStorm | not really | 15:29 |
| kirma | but many of them obviously think agitating for that is helping the society :) | 15:29 |
| AStorm | they own most of the phone lines in the country | 15:29 |
| kirma | </rant> | 15:29 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Ah they probably think of themselves as revolutionaries! | 15:29 |
| RST38bis | AStorm: [shudder] does this mean they are going to terminate landline service now to make everyone buy cellphones from orange? = | 15:30 |
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| AStorm | nope | 15:30 |
| AStorm | they can't actually | 15:30 |
| AStorm | it's a post-government owned company | 15:30 |
| kirma | rst38bis: this sort of leftist do-goodism that's just personal egoboosting with antipathy for pretty much any prosperity elsewhere isn't far from their style... | 15:31 |
| RST38bis | kirma: has nothing to do with politics, it is just an easy way to explain irrational cultist behaviour =) | 15:32 |
| kirma | "it's better that outsider company succeeds than that a local company in our country is successful!" :I | 15:32 |
| guysoft42 | hi all, i just tried to enable the screen rotation in my N810. i followed the wiki, and got the rotation buttons, but pressing the does nothing | 15:32 |
| AStorm | kirma: now this sucks more | 15:32 |
| RST38bis | Any semi-reasonable explanation that saves them from haloperidol shots will do | 15:32 |
| AStorm | guysoft42: you need a patched kernel I think | 15:33 |
| * kirma tries to switch his rant mode off... poor success rate :I | 15:33 | |
| RST38bis | AStorm: Ah, good for everyone :) | 15:33 |
| lcuk | Khertan_, anything thats an applet should have an app running behind it (i would assume..) | 15:33 |
| royerfa | Hi I am trying to boot my BeagleBoard with the Maemo 5 Beta SDk, and I am having trouble ~ | 15:33 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, pong | 15:33 |
| lcuk | royerfa, just tap the touchscreen | 15:34 |
| royerfa | the script /etc/init.d/rcS is looking for libblkid.so.1 | 15:34 |
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| royerfa | and which kernel is supposed to be used for the BeagleBoard ? | 15:35 |
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| mgedmin | people keep saying how small the n900 is | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | I keep worrying about how thick it's going to be | 15:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | still fits in a pocket | 15:40 |
| lcuk | royerfa, i dunno which kernel | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and why should i, im a windows user | 15:41 |
| * lcuk knows nothing of linux | 15:41 | |
| royerfa | ok | 15:41 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, summit plans? | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I plan to come | 15:41 |
| lcuk | thats good enough | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I procrastinate about hotels and tickets | 15:41 |
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| * lcuk remembers ;) | 15:42 | |
| * mgedmin is a master procrastinator | 15:42 | |
| lcuk | heh | 15:43 |
| kirma | mgedmin: two centimeters at thickest. couple millimeters more than E90... | 15:43 |
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| Khertan_ | still no news about summit sponsored travel instruction ? | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: I recommend making a solid model from cheese. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: gives you a good idea of the weight and volume. | 15:44 |
| lcuk | Khertan_, since key members of the council are currently at MW | 15:44 |
| kirma | I wouldn't suggest putting cheese in the pocket without shrinkwrap though | 15:44 |
| lcuk | there might be a bit of la | 15:45 |
| Khertan_ | lcuk: true | 15:45 |
| lcuk | goooh MW | 15:45 |
| lcuk | not maemoworld ;) | 15:45 |
| lcuk | yet | 15:45 |
| lcuk | nokiaworld | 15:45 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: About the same thinkness as a pack of cigarettes, which people seem to have no problems with? | 15:47 |
| * mgedmin <- not a smoker | 15:47 | |
| Corsac | thinkness, really? | 15:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | even less than a pack of ciggies | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Me neither, but as a reference. | 15:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | about 2mm less | 15:47 |
| AStorm | what are you measuring? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | yeah, pack of cigarettes is about 2cm thick. | 15:48 |
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| AStorm | n810 is about 1.3 cm thick | 15:48 |
| AStorm | like a thin pack of cigarettes | 15:48 |
| Corsac | n900 is definitely thicker than what I'd like, but I'm not sure it's very problematic | 15:49 |
| AStorm | how thick it is? | 15:49 |
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| RST38bis | 18mm | 15:50 |
| kirma | slightly wider than E90, about the same thickness (like 2 mm less)... and couple cm shorter | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | My N95 is about 21mm at the thickest point. | 15:50 |
| RST38bis | N95 is a brick. | 15:50 |
| kirma | 2 mm more or what way it was. | 15:50 |
| kirma | I don't know what kind of pants you people use, but E90 is really trivial to carry even on tight pants in my opinion. | 15:50 |
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| AStorm | hmmh, indeed n900 is thicker than n810 | 15:50 |
| mgedmin | my pants are incompatible with devices | 15:51 |
| Corsac | we don't want to know that detail | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | my shirt pocket, which is where I carry things, likes them to be flat and lightweight | 15:51 |
| * mgedmin reminisces about the form factor and weight of Palm V | 15:51 | |
| Firebird | oddly, the N810 is the same thickness as my current phone | 15:51 |
| AStorm | adding the protector... hmm, this might be too thick for my pockets | 15:51 |
| Firebird | *N900 | 15:51 |
| kirma | leather boxers and leather cap? :) | 15:51 |
| AStorm | talking to me? | 15:52 |
| Corsac | E71 thickness is good :> | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: it's 2009: upgrade from that Nokia Cityman :) | 15:52 |
| kirma | mgedmin ;) | 15:52 |
| Firebird | nokia cityman? its one of those free phones you get from verizon | 15:53 |
| * mgedmin bought a Nokia 6600 as his phone, because it's so nicely small and *thin* | 15:54 | |
| mgedmin | well, if you can call 14mm "thin" | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Leaving off the back cover is an option too ;) | 15:55 |
| * kirma has never had much of an issue with phone size... at least on the times when they have started to be smartphones | 15:55 | |
| kirma | 2110 was a bit impractical :) | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | oh, smartphones, meh | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | series 40 forever! | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | kirma: Fitted fine in your man purse, I'm sure? | 15:56 |
| kirma | what's a man purse? | 15:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns. | 15:56 | |
| AStorm | mgedmin: 14mm is good enough | 15:56 |
| kirma | usually anything that doesn't go to pant pockets is necessary only on trips that are over 1000 km away from home. | 15:56 |
| AStorm | now 19,6mm... hmmh | 15:56 |
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| suihkulokki | the perfect phone would is tiny, but has huge screen, thin like paper but has infine battery life! | 15:58 |
| * mgedmin is waiting for resizable gadgets of the future | 15:58 | |
| oilinki | inflatable display! | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Would you be able to rip it like paper too? | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | suihkulokki: And doesn't break.. | 15:58 |
| kirma | where are all those e-ink phones? they have been "coming" real soon now for years... | 15:58 |
| AStorm | suihkulokki: and rollable into a tube? ;P | 15:59 |
| kirma | I guess they're technically not so great after all. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | no kinetic scrolling for e-ink, fail ;) | 15:59 |
| kirma | and size isn't such a huge issue | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: windows vm works so much better than linux vm | 15:59 |
| AStorm | kirma: epaper? why? polymer screen ftw | 15:59 |
| AStorm | the problem is of course electronics | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | suihkulokki: And you could sit on it onto a concrete step, and it won't break. | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, you can get :a/0a/:o using the blue+chr :+a/:+o/0+a | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | AStorm: because epaper is reflective and uses ~no power | 16:00 |
| kirma | remember the craze of making smaller and smaller phones before smartphones came around? surprisingly enough, phone sizes increased for usability (although being thin isn't a negative point eve nowadays...) | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and you can switch hardware layout using control panle | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | s/nle/nel/ | 16:00 |
| AStorm | SpeedEvil: yeah, and is slow | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you just get very confused about where the keys are at the right edge since they won't match the printed keymap, just like on the n810 | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: btw ++ for wearing a habit | 16:00 |
| * SpeedEvil is annoyed at the e-ink people. | 16:01 | |
| suihkulokki | oh, and has a keyboard that feels like ibm m series | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a sheet of it to play with. | 16:01 |
| oilinki | actually inflatable display could work. Having some kind of material, which expands (or can be stuffed small). then using tiny projector to project the picture to the display. | 16:01 |
| AStorm | oilinki: nopes, won't be as useful | 16:01 |
| AStorm | I'd love a roll of screen | 16:01 |
| oilinki | AStorm: why not? | 16:01 |
| AStorm | ;P | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to make a 30mm dia 'wand' - 150mm long. Around this is wrapped an e-ink screen - just a dumb bit of film - no circuitry. | 16:01 |
| RST38bis | Individually inflatable pixels would cause a revolution in ... ekh... adult entertainment industry | 16:01 |
| kirma | I have been imagining a ultra-low-power, bluetooth and microcontroller enabled e-ink "fridge magnet information gadget" that would run with thin, thin battery for years... | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the thickness of the n900 hasn't bothered me | 16:02 |
| oilinki | RST38bis: real 3d-pictures :) | 16:02 |
| kirma | and still have relevant, up-to-date information with even interactivity on it. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | You unroll and swipe the wand from one side of the 'screen' to the other - and it instantly prints it with an electrostatic printer. | 16:02 |
| RST38bis | kirma: That is called an LCD clock | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been carrying around two of them for the past couple of days | 16:02 |
| AStorm | kirma: and be useless except as an information display | 16:02 |
| kirma | RST38bis: more of a thing that would have transparently synced calendar and todo-list display and stuff | 16:03 |
| RST38bis | kirma: Paper. Pencil. | 16:03 |
| kirma | the sync part isn't there :) | 16:03 |
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| AStorm | wow, a dynamic calendar | 16:03 |
| RST38bis | You only need one piece of paper. | 16:03 |
| AStorm | hey, I have one already ;P | 16:04 |
| RST38bis | The sync is not necessary then | 16:04 |
| kirma | like, when you walk past it, the next-generation ultra low power bluetooth is used to sync the stuff through the phone in your pocket | 16:04 |
| AStorm | wow, what a hoot | 16:04 |
| AStorm | I get that from the laptop | 16:04 |
| RST38bis | What if you do not happen to walk by it? | 16:04 |
| AStorm | ;P | 16:04 |
| kirma | well, you're probably not looking at it then | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: bluetooth is high power unfortunately | 16:04 |
| AStorm | except bluetooth low power, which is low power | 16:05 |
| AStorm | :) | 16:05 |
| kirma | speedevil: there are very much lower power extensions (whatever they were called again) in future versions | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | and what is worse, bluetooth is dog-slow | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean high power in the context of leakage current. | 16:05 |
| AStorm | mgedmin: yeah, only 1Mbps | 16:05 |
| AStorm | ;) | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | establishing connections take ages | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: for some things you don't care. | 16:05 |
| AStorm | true that | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | latency, not bandwidth, was my main point | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | I mean, you might walk past the fridge until you're out of range before that device notices | 16:05 |
| kirma | that might be true, and a practical problem for that application. | 16:06 |
| AStorm | not *that* bad | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - the solution is _obvious_ | 16:06 |
| AStorm | it's bad as in 250 ms | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | You want to simplify the number of connections you have as much as possible. | 16:06 |
| royerfa | Can someone please point me to where to find the Linux modules for the Beagle Board boot with Maemo. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence - fridge with no AC lead but power over ethernet. | 16:06 |
| kirma | speedevil: ehh ;) | 16:07 |
| AStorm | PoE does only some 44 W | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | coool | 16:07 |
| AStorm | now Hi-Power PoE... maybe | 16:07 |
| AStorm | still a small fridge | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/etherkiller.jpg | 16:07 |
| Corsac | if you want that on a fridge, take a touchbook :) | 16:07 |
| kirma | average power consumption of a fridge doesn't go much beyond couple tens of watts I suppose though | 16:07 |
| Corsac | though gregoire didnt fix the power brick problem | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: peaks at several hundred watts - several hours/day of 100W | 16:08 |
| AStorm | average? it's running 10% of the time | 16:08 |
| kirma | yes, that's the problem... | 16:08 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes peltiers diddn't suck so hard. | 16:08 | |
| kirma | but on average, it would be possible :) | 16:08 |
| AStorm | could work around it with some battery or supercaps | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | cold fusion | 16:09 |
| AStorm | extra bonus for being more portable ;) | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | have a generator in the fridge | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (peltier heat pumps are some 3-5 times less efficient than compressor based things. | 16:09 |
| AStorm | mgedmin: sorry, exhaust into room = no-no | 16:09 |
| * mgedmin remembers one landlord who tried to convince us it's possible to put an A/C unit in a corner of a room without any exhaust into the outside | 16:10 | |
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| kirma | :) | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It is :) | 16:10 |
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| * SpeedEvil is currently bemoaning the lack of small window ACs with heat in the UK. | 16:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | (or indeed any window ACs) | 16:11 |
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| msh_ | mgedmin: works with evaporative... | 16:13 |
| lardman | you hot SpeedEvil? | 16:14 |
| lardman | it's cold and wet here | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ... | 16:15 |
| kirma | speedevil: thank the poorly built houses for the fact that in compensation it will be cold there when it's a bit chilly outside... when here, it's warm inside even when it's f*cking cold outside :) | 16:15 |
| lardman | you can get fan heaters, but AC isn't a big thing here, not often needed | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: cold | 16:15 |
| lardman | fan heater | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: I have 60cm thick stone walls - no insulation - 5cm air gap - then plasterboard. I'm currently adding 8-10cm of insulation in there. | 16:16 |
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| lardman | or a fire :) | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I'm trying to lower bills - looking at heatpump overnight - which is maybe a third of the price of gas. | 16:16 |
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| lardman | heatpump from the ground? | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I want one - but they don't seem to do 3Kw or so output heatpumps from the ground. | 16:17 |
| lardman | I'm not sure they are economically viable in this country | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: now - 15KW - no problem. | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: for me - it definately is - insulate so that in the coldest weather I need 2Kw or so - and in 95% of weather I can use heat pumped into a resovoir on cheap rate electricity has quite a fast payback. | 16:18 |
| lardman | fair enough, what's the infrastructure cost though? | 16:19 |
| lardman | anyway I don't know, was just something I read somewhere | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: It depends - heat pump without insulation = insanity. Spreadsheet FTW. If the planet was sane and I could get water-water heatpumps at the same price as US window ACs - perhaps 500 quid. (if DIY'd) (neglecting insulation cost) | 16:21 |
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| lardman | but if your insulation is really good you just use some gas, but not much, and that is supposed to be cheaper than fitting the heat pump, etc | 16:21 |
| lardman | well I think that was the argument anyway :) | 16:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - gas is a win if you don't run the heatpump on overnight cheap electricity. | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: which is maybe 1.3* the cost of gas. | 16:22 |
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| Jaffa | re from Nokia World | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | More free beer being imbibed. N810 battery flat. | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But is the beer free as in speech? | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | No source available | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | But it looks and tastes pretty | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | Tim's thirsty | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | 3rd is empty | 16:25 |
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| kirma | das bier experiment | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | ~seen lcuk | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | !seen lcuk | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | damn | 16:29 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: a few hours ago. | 16:29 |
| * javispedro reads GeneralAntilles summary of the Nokia World and sighs. | 16:30 | |
| crashanddie | an hour, so to see | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: link? | 16:31 |
| javispedro | fortunately, that means I did not lose anything. :) | 16:31 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs without reading GeneralAntilles summary of Nokia World. | 16:31 | |
| javispedro | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=320164&postcount=82 | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | ta | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: you really didn't. It was a joke WRT N900 in all honesty | 16:31 |
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| * javispedro realizes nokia expects the X{3,6} devices to be the flagship ones. it all has been a dream. | 16:34 | |
| vesa | n97(mini) is still the flagship | 16:35 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Sounds like they're still trying to float that sunken ship that is the N97 to me. | 16:35 |
| vesa | n900 is a geek shiny toy probably not even meant for huge distribution | 16:35 |
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| mgedmin | what are X{3,6}? | 16:36 |
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| mgedmin | pretend that I've been living under a rock | 16:36 |
| mgedmin | unless those are the recently-announced Nokia netbooks running Windows 7? | 16:36 |
| javispedro | symbian phones | 16:37 |
| vesa | x3 = your generic s40 cheapo phone, x6 = attempt to breathe life into comes with music | 16:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | ...and it's meant to make you stay legal when it comes to obtaining music *cough* | 16:37 |
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| * vesa giggles. legally. | 16:37 | |
| javispedro | but the x6 has all the needed user visible specs for the populace to consider it competition to the n900 | 16:37 |
| Khertan_ | burk | 16:38 |
| vesa | it's smaller, that alone makes it much more attractive | 16:38 |
| vesa | for the general public that is | 16:38 |
| Andy80 | N900 comes with bittorrent/aMule :D | 16:38 |
| javispedro | ha | 16:39 |
| vesa | now now, lets stay legal! | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 16:39 |
| Khertan_ | vesa: it s depends on your use | 16:39 |
| RST38bis | mgedmin: Both X3 and X6 are 5800 clones. S60e5, ComesWithMusic, etc. X3 is the cheap model, X6 is the all included model | 16:39 |
| javispedro | no, everything is illegal. | 16:39 |
| vesa | x3 isn't a 5800 clone. it's s40, a basic cheapo java phone | 16:39 |
| RST38bis | mgedmin: Neither is of much interest to advanced users | 16:39 |
| vesa | there's a quadrillion s40 models about, x3 is no different. | 16:40 |
| RST38bis | vesa: Isn't it running S60e5? | 16:40 |
| vesa | no | 16:40 |
| RST38bis | Oh | 16:40 |
| RST38bis | Ok, exclude X3. | 16:40 |
| vesa | http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/09/02/nokia-x3-revealed/ | 16:40 |
| lardman | cu chaps later | 16:40 |
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| RST38bis | sorry | 16:40 |
| vesa | first s40 device to *gasp* include ovi store | 16:40 |
| vesa | that's the big wow =P | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You'll get the most amazing apps for it from there... | 16:40 |
| RST38bis | mgedmin: Basically, if you want S60e5, just buy normal 5800 and you will be ok | 16:40 |
| vesa | that's about right. that or n97 mini | 16:41 |
| RST38bis | qwerty: Like 32 tetris clones and a dating app written in java? | 16:41 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38bis: exactly :) | 16:41 |
| javispedro | N900 has no tetris :( | 16:41 |
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| vesa | =/ | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | OH NOEZ | 16:41 |
| RST38bis | javis: No waaaaay? | 16:41 |
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| _berto_ | javispedro: I think there's gtetrinet in garage | 16:42 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/NokiaWorld_2009_QA#Gaming | 16:42 |
| * javispedro wonders how "Bounce" game kills the compositor. | 16:42 | |
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| RST38bis | berto: iNES will run any of 3-4 NES tetris versions | 16:42 |
| javispedro | since it seems to be a ogles2 . | 16:42 |
| javispedro | and I have kirby's ghost trap :) | 16:42 |
| _berto_ | RST38bis: well, I wasn't counting emulators, of course | 16:42 |
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| RST38bis | javis: Well I hope they are going to yield ogl context to applications in full screen mode, aren't they? | 16:43 |
| javispedro | dunno yet. | 16:44 |
| * RST38bis would love Nokia's 3D Snake game on N900, really | 16:44 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38bis: Yep, that was awesome | 16:44 |
| RST38bis | javis: I think there is even a tracker filed for that | 16:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, somebody screwed with that page. | 16:46 |
| * RST38bis wonders if it is still not too late to petition Quim/Peter/whoever to leave arrow keys alone and move those extra characters somewhere else | 16:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Waaaay too late. | 16:47 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 should've added "Will Nokia will release ftdapp for the N900 to the public?" on that page... | 16:49 | |
| RST38bis | qwerty: "What is the internal repo password?" | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 16:50 |
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| Mek | you really don't want the internal repo enabled on your device... :P | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But if it gets you FTD..? :p | 16:51 |
| RST38bis | Mek: Ok, we will disable it right away | 16:51 |
| javispedro | it contains Free XXX app? | 16:51 |
| jaska | ftd = ? | 16:51 |
| aquatix | javispedro: it has an nntp client then? | 16:51 |
| Khertan_ | 649 + delivery 7.5 Euro on nokia french store | 16:51 |
| Mek | well, the internal repo will eat 50MB of your precious 256MB rootfs with /var/cache/apt/*pkgcache.bin | 16:51 |
| Khertan_ | 599 + free delivery on spain nokia store | 16:52 |
| aquatix | Mek: ouch | 16:52 |
| Khertan_ | hum ... why i leave in frankreich ! | 16:52 |
| jaska | 599 + 7.5 delivery or so here | 16:52 |
| javispedro | Khertan_, if you lived in Spain, you would be ripped off the moment you put in a sim card. | 16:52 |
| jaska | 8 delivery | 16:52 |
| Khertan_ | 7.5 is delivery by french post ... count one or two weeks | 16:52 |
| RST38bis | Mek: ah we will access it from the SDK | 16:52 |
| javispedro | just putting in a prepaid card would already cost you money .( | 16:52 |
| jaska | 8 is home delivery, a couple days | 16:53 |
| Khertan_ | javispedro: like in france | 16:53 |
| Mek | RST38bis: okay, that should be just fine than :) | 16:53 |
| javispedro | a shitload of money :) | 16:53 |
| Khertan_ | javispedro: same here | 16:53 |
| javispedro | :( | 16:53 |
| _berto_ | javispedro: depends on the carrier | 16:53 |
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| javispedro | _berto_, I'm locked to telefonica because non-same-carrier calls are insane | 16:54 |
| _berto_ | javispedro: I think that simyo doesn't charge you for the sim card | 16:54 |
| javispedro | yeah, | 16:54 |
| javispedro | and as such, telefonica makes an exception to simyo | 16:54 |
| javispedro | it's actually _expensive_ than calling the rest of carriers. | 16:54 |
| javispedro | *more expensive. | 16:54 |
| _berto_ | even masmovil, yoigo ... ? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | yes iirc | 16:55 |
| ali1234 | any ubuntu user want to try to reproduce this problem i'm having with 4.1.2 SDK? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/423188 | 16:55 |
| * javispedro checking | 16:55 | |
| _berto_ | javispedro: don't worry, it was just curiosity | 16:55 |
| javispedro | na, the exception is yoigo, not simyo | 16:56 |
| javispedro | simyo is "type 1 operator" | 16:56 |
| javispedro | so it's just standard ripoff with simyo :) | 16:57 |
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| mgedmin | ali1234: fun! but why didn't you use apport to upload the bug report, with a core file attached? | 16:59 |
| RST38bis | what is type 1 operator? | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: i would if i knew how | 16:59 |
| javispedro | RST38bis, tariff classes. | 16:59 |
| RST38bis | Is type 1 "very expensive" | 17:00 |
| RST38bis | ? | 17:00 |
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| javispedro | no, it's just more "expensive" than samecarrier calls | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | doesn't it pop up a crash notification bubble? | 17:00 |
| RST38bis | oh | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | oh, right, I think apport is disabled by default in final releases | 17:00 |
| javispedro | then there's type 2, which is the insane one. | 17:00 |
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| mgedmin | ali1234: you can do sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start, then reproduce the crash, and then apport should pop up a dialog offering you to upload info | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | that should help the developers see where the crash is occurring, because just 0: Xephyr(KdBacktrace+0x35) [0x80c1595] is a bit unhelpful | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | will do | 17:01 |
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| mgedmin | that's assuming there are developers with time and interest to look at that bug report :-/ | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | well if someone marks it "confirmed"... | 17:02 |
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| mikkov_ | 12:16 < X-Fade> thp: Yes, although the actual number is still under debate. | 17:05 |
| RST38bis | javis: You are scaring me. The recent visit to .GR has shown that there is only one variety there - "stupid and expensive" | 17:05 |
| mikkov_ | 12:16 < X-Fade> thp: Yes, although the actual number is still under debate. | 17:05 |
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| RST38bis | javis: So, it gets even worse than that? | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: ? | 17:05 |
| javispedro | RST38: I am pretty scared actually, that's why I was interested in the "shut down the fscking phone" option. | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | heh, Maemo5 comes with T9? | 17:09 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=320183&postcount=115 | 17:09 |
| VDVsx | doubt :P | 17:10 |
| VDVsx | good question for Jaffa or tim :) | 17:10 |
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| Myrtti | javispedro: the question is, is it limited to the languages of the area the physical device is sold in | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | javispedro: ie. would I be able to get a Finnish one to a one bought from UK | 17:11 |
| javispedro | oh, didn't though about that (I was already surprised they licensed it for a single lang at all :) ) | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | Nokia phones having Lithuanian T9 was a killer point in favour of getting a Nokia phone | 17:12 |
| Khertan_ | javispedro: no need you have a keyboard | 17:12 |
| RST38bis | Myrtti: Most likely not, judging from my experience with 810 | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | a few years back Nokia was the only manufacturer that had that | 17:12 |
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| RST38bis | Myrtti: I have got a US n810 which did Russian prediction pretty well | 17:12 |
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| javispedro | RST38bis, yeah, but while they can easily grab a third party free dict from anybody | 17:13 |
| ali1234 | mgedmin: ok, started apport - but it doesn;t catch the Xephyr crash | 17:13 |
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| javispedro | I think T9 forces you to get a license from them. | 17:14 |
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| mgedmin | "intelectual property" is eeeevil | 17:14 |
| RST38bis | javis: They already have the license judging from their other phones | 17:14 |
| javispedro | yeah, but it may be a per device royaltie. | 17:15 |
| javispedro | either way, hopes are high. | 17:15 |
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| * javispedro would like to get stylus keyboard back into n900, but the ui will suck | 17:16 | |
| X-Fade | javispedro: HIM is open, so you could probably hack in a translucent one :) | 17:17 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Perhaps not - the finger keyboard, excluding the theme, is the same... | 17:17 |
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| RST38bis | javis: Could you hack together a translucent full screen kbd? =() | 17:17 |
| javispedro | i don't see benefits in translucent. | 17:17 |
| RST38bis | Please? Please? | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Try to rember the post you are replying to. | 17:18 |
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| RST38bis | javis: Well, the half-screen keyboard is now impossible because it causes the app window to shrink, i.e. the developer would have to support than shrunk window mode | 17:18 |
| javispedro | X-Fade, both of you :) | 17:18 |
| javispedro | RST38 ^^ | 17:18 |
| RST38bis | javis: Full screen translucent keyboard will let you use the app, while having full screen keyboard and not causing app window shrinkage | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No, I meant that with fullscreen keyboard, you don't see the text you are reply to anymore. | 17:19 |
| javispedro | ah, lol :) | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: So you need to remember. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Context just goes away when the keyboard pops up. | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is slooow this morning. | 17:19 |
| javispedro | well, it should be easy enough. | 17:19 |
| RST38bis | ok, ssh is back online. moving to ssh | 17:19 |
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| javispedro | at least, this would be an easy enough job in compiz | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | also, ever tried to use vim with the fullscreen kb? madness | 17:19 |
| * RST38h moos gleefully | 17:19 | |
| javispedro | just set a window rule for thumb keyboard window et voilà! | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Should work nicely | 17:20 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: once you press "i" or whatever spot of the screen plays that role, full screen keyboard goes up and lets you enter string | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | vim already has this thing: press i, press character, press esc -> to insert a single character | 17:20 |
| * RST38h frankly does not understand vim users | 17:20 | |
| mgedmin | now add press [enter] to open vkb, press i, press character, press _\/_ to hide vkb, press esc | 17:20 |
| Myrtti | emaaaaccsss | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Why use a line-based editor in the age of full screen editing? | 17:21 |
| javispedro | tap count overflow. | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: I believe you're thinking on 'ex' | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: What if its superior AI changes your document where you do not see it? =) | 17:21 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: vi/vim is pretty much line based still | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | vim actually rules: an alphabetical vkb is sufficient to do almost anything | 17:21 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: you have to press i to go into line entry mode to edit | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | you don't miss keys like 'home' or 'del' | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, I do | 17:22 |
| RST38h | hmm...why does this rule? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | (and I have them in my osso-xterm's toolbar) | 17:22 |
| RST38h | (note that you are talking to a life long PICO user) | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | this is, perhaps, not the right place to debate the merits of various text editors | 17:23 |
| jiiv | rst38h & mgedmin: it's safe to assume that vim & emacs users will never understand one another. | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | jiiv: I understand emacs users perfectly, I just think they're crazy | 17:23 |
| * RST38h is an EDIT.EXE# / PICO user | 17:23 | |
| mgedmin | it's happy notepad users that I don't understand | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | :) | 17:23 |
| * RST38h does not understand all these religious Unix editor people | 17:23 | |
| _berto_ | i'm an emacs user and i understand vi(m) users | 17:24 |
| _berto_ | (and gedit users too) | 17:24 |
| * javispedro used bare vi once. it's like taking depressive pills. | 17:24 | |
| RST38h | notepad is fine, yes | 17:24 |
| * mgedmin even respects emacs users | 17:24 | |
| _berto_ | it's not that difficult to understand others | 17:24 |
| _berto_ | if you try :) | 17:24 |
| jiiv | well, neither will be able to convince the other that their choice is superior. | 17:24 |
| * mgedmin shudders from remembering busybox vi | 17:24 | |
| * Khertan_ is a PyGTKEditor | 17:25 | |
| * Khertan_ is a PyGTKEditor user | 17:25 | |
| _berto_ | jiiv: i think that the vim debian maintainer might disagree | 17:25 |
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| jrocha | I've used GEdit for a while now | 17:26 |
| RST38h | even worse, unix editor maintained by a religious fanatic! | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | hey, http://maemo.org/downloads/ does not have an OS2009 section, what's up with that? | 17:26 |
| jiiv | berto: perhaps. | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | are users supposed to use the ovi app store, or something? | 17:26 |
| jrocha | I mean Geany! | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | Geany is goood | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | app manager from the device? | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Because there are no apps in extras yet ;) | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | oh, that | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | all of them are in extras-devel then? | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: never had any problems, and it gives me a considerable amount of joy to know that one of the corner stones of the documentation is built on my pink emacs | 17:26 |
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| X-Fade | mgedmin: No, there are also in testing. | 17:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Does that mean that the shiny OS2009 Extras will be really empty now, as it is enabled on devices by default? | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: yes. | 17:27 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: pink emacs? | 17:27 |
| * mgedmin feels like he wasn't paying attention | 17:27 | |
| * RST38h is mortified now | 17:27 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Only tested apps will be there. | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | what's this 'testing' thing then? | 17:27 |
| _berto_ | btw, is it going to be called OS2009 ? | 17:27 |
| * mgedmin looks at his email backlog guiltily | 17:27 | |
| X-Fade | No | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | Maemo 5 of course | 17:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So, what is the repository for us to get apps from then? | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | _berto_, Maemo 5. | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Nothing changed there? | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: extras-devel ? | 17:28 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well you are saying Extras will be empty now | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | _berto_, the old ones are now called Maemo 4, Maemo 3, Maemo 2, etc, too. ;) | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | question: how do I determine whether $MY_FAVOURITE_APP has been ported to fremantle? | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Is empty now, not will be. | 17:28 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Extras-Devel is unsafe to use, with so many problematic packages there | 17:28 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So there should be some repo to replace our old good Extras | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, that is why you should only enable Extras, or Extras-testing if you are a tester/developer. | 17:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But where will I go for apps? | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Testing? | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Extras | 17:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: but you said Extras will have much fewer apps now, with stricter controls, not? | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Your point? | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: my pink emacs. | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Will not have fewer apps, will only have apps that work. | 17:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No particular point, just trying to figure out what repo will be used to publish apps for the power users | 17:30 |
| nomis | X-Fade: so it is "no apps" then? ;] | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Aha, so Extras-Testing will be the new power user repo | 17:31 |
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| X-Fade | Is the current queue, the one with positive karma will probably go through soon. | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | ♥ http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3328510787/ pink-bliss.el ♥ | 17:31 |
| * lcuk will one day manage to get into testing :) | 17:31 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Extras-testing at least guarantees that the dependencies etc are there. | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: the karma readings in that least do not indicate any possible promotion to extras | 17:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: they are flat, in -2/+2 range | 17:32 |
| RST38h | s/least/list | 17:32 |
| javispedro | yeah, I always though it's going to be hard to get enough testers. | 17:33 |
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| javispedro | But i'd wait until n900 release to test that. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We don't have enough testers yet ;) | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be easier once people have devices. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: karma ;) | 17:33 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: And we can always create a scheme where you have to test 2 apps before you can promote your own :D | 17:34 |
| javispedro | X-Fade, ah, dreamhost-like :) | 17:34 |
| javispedro | they make you triage 5 feature requests before making your own | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | The idea is that we have a group of community testers who will help testing. | 17:34 |
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| javispedro | unfortunately that approach results in people doing "fast-testing". | 17:35 |
| javispedro | hard topic this one | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | Still thinking about having votes from people with high karma weighing in heavier. | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | I think he wants half-working apps too | 17:36 |
| * mgedmin thinks repository.maemo.org is down | 17:36 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: can't be. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: is akamai ;) | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: One akamai host, sure. | 17:37 |
| * javispedro thinks the best approach is to allow interesed users pull down the apps they want from -testing, then be forced to vote them or the device gets bricked. | 17:37 | |
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| wazd_ | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nokia_n900_hands-on_slashgear_24.jpg - lawl :D | 17:37 |
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| javispedro | lol. | 17:38 |
| javispedro | iPhone mode? | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | my office wifi went down just then | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | had to power-kick the ap | 17:38 |
| VDVsx_ | lol | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | coincidence? or is linksys firmware sniffing my http packets? | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | where's my tin hat? | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's one gross looking slider. | 17:38 |
| * javispedro actually does that swipe in current n810, because being so used to look at it. | 17:38 | |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah :) | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, priority number one. Retheme that shit. :P | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | Does that marble roll to the other side when tilted? :) | 17:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders when the first iPhone theme will be released. | 17:39 | |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm planning to make Marina theme before release :) | 17:39 |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: haven't seen it in the template though | 17:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: lemme guess, sucks, no capacitive screen? | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is anybody else tired of these goddamn js galleries? | 17:40 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: "though criticized for being resistive and not capacitive – seems relatively responsive both add up to a very crisp, usable experience" | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why can't people just link to real images so I can load them all up in tabs and look later? | 17:40 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, better: why they don't do it the fucking proper way so that it works both ways? | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. . . . | 17:40 |
| javispedro | aka proper href and proper onclick handler. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: wow, finally somebody saw the light | 17:41 |
| * mgedmin adds to the gripes | 17:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stylus looks about 770 quality. | 17:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: the arrow keys stuff was delivered to us pretty much as is (take it, you can't leave it) from the beginning of the project. it was non negotiable then. And we tried very hard to warn everyone that arrow keys were not a standard part of the layout. | 17:42 |
| RST38h | too bad. | 17:42 |
| Khertan_ | oh there is also a free bluetooth head on nokia spain stire | 17:42 |
| Khertan_ | store | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at the difference in brightness. | 17:43 |
| Khertan_ | arg ... the french is more and more difficult to accept | 17:43 |
| * RST38h considers creating a brainstorm suggestion about adding those damn 4 directional buttons to the back of the device | 17:43 | |
| Khertan_ | the french price | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Then flashmobbing it | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Image 28 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-hands-on-0254743/ | 17:43 |
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| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: just copy ther link of the thumbnail :) | 17:44 |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: they are resized originals | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i'm totally unaware of t9 for the phone app | 17:44 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, actually, disabling javascript makes the page work ok for me. | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a dialpad which shows the standard letters | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so you can figure out how to dial +1 800 555 TELL | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's not t9, that's standard alpha assignment | 17:45 |
| javispedro | so qgil got confused again. | 17:45 |
| javispedro | remove the again. | 17:45 |
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| * javispedro remembers someone telling us the device had the four arrow keys in most languages, even tho the xkeymap said the opposite. wont' say names ;) | 17:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: fwiw, the browser team would like a half height keyboard - but not for landscape ;-) | 17:46 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 17:47 |
| javispedro | the slashgear guy has tetris. | 17:47 |
| RST38h | General: BTW, it may be worth to start asking if the Harmattan will support N900 just about now | 17:47 |
| javispedro | so yet again someone was wrong. | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the slider is really bad when transparency doesn't work ;-), i think it's fixed... | 17:48 |
| RST38h | General: Because for a lot of people (maemo.org readers included) this will affect the buy/wait decision | 17:48 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: which brightness? | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, N900 vs N810. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't think we'll get an answer yet. | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | ok, so fbreader is ported to fremantle (yay!), maemo-mapper isn't (waah!) | 17:49 |
| * sp3000 notices nothing in those photos | 17:49 | |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Are they both at brightest setting? | 17:49 |
| ccooke | GeneralAntilles: ... that's surprisingly bright. The n810 was a pretty bright screen | 17:49 |
| javispedro | so, nokia world has passed. can we got our dmesg dump already? :) | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | btw does the n900 have a darkness sensor? | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i'm pretty sure i've consistently indicated that pretty much only the English layout (making it a minority) had 4 arrow keys | 17:49 |
| * wazd_ curses himself because of non .png illustrations in his blog | 17:49 | |
| javispedro | timeless, It wasn't you of course (but neither read you indicating it) | 17:50 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: the videos seem to show one workin. | 17:50 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: working, even | 17:50 |
| * javispedro found out by reading the xmodmap. | 17:50 | |
| wazd_ | mgedmin: evin n900 has darkness sensor, good n900 has light sensor :D | 17:50 |
| wazd_ | evil* | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | "the dark side is strong today, better dim the lcd" | 17:50 |
| ccooke | wazd_: How can we tell the good one from the evil one? :-) | 17:50 |
| wazd_ | how the fuck have I typed "evin" I wonder :) | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i think my statements were more like "please don't rely on having 4 arrow keys, they usually won't all be there" | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | or something like that | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: the bottom rows of pictures on the SlashGear page have n900/n810 side by side | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | based on bottom center, i'd assume that it's partly directly lighting v. indirect and partly autodim | 17:51 |
| wazd_ | timeless_mbp: I wonder why up/down are onder Sym, not left/right | 17:51 |
| javispedro | the culprit's post is still there in tmo :) | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd_: SMS needs left/right | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | SMS doesn't *need* up/down | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ok? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | yeah, with no tap to select. | 17:52 |
| wazd_ | timeless_mbp: well, that fits :) | 17:52 |
| sp3000 | yeah I didn't see signifigant diff but I guess I don't have my sales glasses on ;) | 17:52 |
| ccooke | Has anyone here actually got their hands on an n900 yet? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | no one. | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: green just spontaneously rebooted | 17:52 |
| javispedro | all of those who say so are imposters. | 17:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | ccooke: define "got their hands on" | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | and define "n900" | 17:52 |
| javispedro | or child molesters, whatever you prefer ;) | 17:52 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: I'm aware of people using and seeing prototypes, yes | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | we're allowed to let friends and family touch n900 final protos | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so i've taken my n900 protos to a few people to play w/ for short intervals | 17:53 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: I'm strictly meaning "ability to use a little" and "The final product" | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | (supervised, no photos taken) | 17:53 |
| sp3000 | so I suppose someone will make a nice keymapping customizer app | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: afaik, no one did for the n810 | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | ll;s | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 17:54 |
| sp3000 | I haven't managed to see layouts missing direct arrows | 17:54 |
| javispedro | sp3000, becausing editing some text files should be easy enough. | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: we haven't picked the FCS image yet | 17:54 |
| ccooke | FCS? | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | so "ability to use a little"? yes | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | "the final product"? no, since it doesn't really exist | 17:54 |
| ccooke | Right | 17:54 |
| ccooke | That's a nicely precise answer. Thanks :-) | 17:54 |
| * RST38h secretly planning a business of buying US N900s wholesale and selling them to #maemo people | 17:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | First Customer Shipment - What does FCS stand for? Acronyms and ... | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Acronym, Definition. FCS, Frame Check Sequence. FCS, Flight Control System. FCS, Fibre Channel Standard. FCS, Future Combat Systems (US Army) ... | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/First+Customer+Shipment | 17:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | it isn't a nokia term | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's used in the real world | 17:55 |
| sp3000 | but depending on what were to get in front of the arrows flipping the modifier around could work out better, or not | 17:55 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: *nod*. Not encountered it before. | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't remember where i picked it up | 17:55 |
| jaska | sun | 17:55 |
| * mgedmin is a bit worried about maemo Future Combat Systems | 17:56 | |
| timeless_mbp | ibm uses it | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and sun | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | so yeah, basically "the real hardware vendors" | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | Sun is still a hardware vendor? | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Hm | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | sun isn't anything anymore | 17:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | but it was when i was dealing w/ sun :) | 17:56 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: (I'm just curious and interested at this point. Feel free to ignore) So... You're saying you haven't decided on the FCS *image*? does that mean simple things like packaging, desktop backgrounds, theme... or a more complete marketing campaign? | 17:57 |
| ccooke | (Feel free? Feel more free than usual? Something along those lines :-) | 17:57 |
| javispedro | Nokia Spain cannot spell check either. | 17:57 |
| sp3000 | hmm, clicking on bookmarks from the bar doesn't work in this firefox build | 17:57 |
| sp3000 | how annoying | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | well "you" is an odd word | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not at all involved in the decision | 17:57 |
| Khertan_ | hum ... someone have a link to the last theme maker ? | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but afaik, they're still trying to pull in last minute fixes from certain groups | 17:58 |
| Khertan_ | the garage page is outdated :) | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser should be frozen because of flash certification (which takes weeks) | 17:58 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: ah, OS image? | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 17:58 |
| ccooke | right. | 17:58 |
| javispedro | ...... | 17:58 |
| javispedro | even Nokia Spain says "1 GIB RAM" | 17:58 |
| ccooke | ... I really should have assumed that. | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | Gibibytes for the win! | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | note that they've historically made random changes to theming fairly late in the game | 17:58 |
| ccooke | javispedro: technically correct, although GiB would be more standard. | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ham got a refresh this week iirc | 17:59 |
| Khertan_ | javispedro: yep but they have at least a free bt headset | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | which for me was totally unexpected | 17:59 |
| Khertan_ | and free shipping | 17:59 |
| javispedro | ccooke, the problem is the amount, not the units. | 17:59 |
| javispedro | it's got 256 MiB RAM only. | 17:59 |
| lopz | hola | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd hope there aren't any other suprises | 17:59 |
| javispedro | "hola":) | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm never going to bet against my employer's willingness to surprise | 17:59 |
| ccooke | javispedro: plus 768MiB of swap. And marketing love half truths. | 17:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | ccooke: in this case, i'd call that a lie | 17:59 |
| ccooke | it's going to get marketed as 1GiB. Accept and move on :-/ | 17:59 |
| javispedro | ccooke, they also seem to love typos in photoshop images in frontpage. | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | check w/ your local spanish Better Business Bureau | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't write 1 GIB RAM | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | ram is a well accepted technical term | 18:00 |
| javispedro | agreed timeless, this is plain lying. | 18:00 |
| javispedro | but with even newspapers running it as "1 GiB" it's already too late. Get ready for the courts. | 18:00 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: It's what I've been expecting on the marketing ever since it was first mentioned there'd be swap-by-default. | 18:01 |
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| javispedro | ccooke, I'd accept "1 GiB "application memory"." | 18:01 |
| ccooke | javispedro: *nod* | 18:01 |
| javispedro | 1 GiB RAM is pretty clear instead. | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "memory" is fine | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | ram isn't | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | what do they write about the flash storage? 32 GiB or 32 GB? | 18:01 |
| sp3000 | are we going to discuss whether swap is random access or not :P | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | flash storage is not ram <period> | 18:02 |
| javispedro | so, someone types "ç" ccedilla (which is not even a spanish letter!) in the frontpage ad, and nobody cares. | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if you need to use erase blocks, you don't get random access | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: url? | 18:02 |
| javispedro | swf, can't get url. | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | why not? can't you erase blocks at random? | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | yes, i'm lazy, but i have other things to do | 18:02 |
| javispedro | http://www.nokia.es | 18:02 |
| javispedro | keep refreshing until the n97 add for the typo, | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: you can't randomly access fields | 18:03 |
| javispedro | keep refreshing until the n900 add for the 1 GIB RAM. | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | En Nokia nos importan las opiniones de nuestros clientes. Al comentarnos lo que opinas al final de tu visita de hoy, contribuirás al diseño y el contenido de este sitio web. | 18:03 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: flash erase blocks are much larger than the minimal addressable unit. | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Al hacer clic en el siguiente enlace, tendrás la oportunidad de compartir tus opiniones una vez hayas terminado lo que estés haciendo en nuestro sitio web. | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | customer survey, close that. | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | no! | 18:03 |
| javispedro | (I need to enable js so that I can get to fill those things) | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yo quiero tocar con el survey | 18:03 |
| * javispedro browses with flash enabled but js disabled. crazy :) | 18:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | yep, it's there | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nice | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: have you called the spanish nokia care number? | 18:04 |
| timeless_mbp | (please do so) | 18:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://tienda.nokia.es/nokia-es/product.aspx?sku=10195587 | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | Siente la velocidad total del procesador de 600 MHz y la memoria RAM de 1GB | 18:05 |
| javispedro | it's not toll free. | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | no flash required | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: it isn't toll free?? | 18:05 |
| javispedro | nope. | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | eww, 900 800 653 ? | 18:05 |
| javispedro | http://www.nokia.es/home/acerca-de-nokia/contacto | 18:05 |
| javispedro | that's "sales". | 18:05 |
| timeless_mbp | well, sales closed 5 mins ago | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | call sales | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and complain to them | 18:06 |
| Corsac | # Mémoire d'application disponible jusqu'à 1 Go (mémoire RAM 256 Mo, mémoire virtuelle 768 Mo) | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | explain that their advertising is false and you want the product they claim to offer. | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: Francais? | 18:06 |
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| Corsac | yep | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: sales will complain to someone about the request and the loss of a potential sale | 18:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | it'll get counted, if enough friends complain (get 5 minimum), someone should notice | 18:07 |
| javispedro | heh. | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | seriously | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sales teams do not like losing sales | 18:08 |
| * javispedro is looking what the survey is like.. | 18:09 | |
| javispedro | na, seems statiscal one. | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | 18:10 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Copyright © 2009 GfK for Nokia - All rights reserved. | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so much for that survey | 18:10 |
| paperclip1 | timeless_mbp: lbt over in #mer told me that you were the person to talk to about getting started on French localization. | 18:10 |
| paperclip1 | Sorry for the off-topic. | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 18:10 |
| wjt | Gobot finds Kitten? | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme stop paying attn to #maemo and finish off my strings | 18:10 |
| javispedro | they got it right in the specs: http://tienda.nokia.es/nokia-es/product.aspx?sku=10195587§ion_id=563&culture=es-ES | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: they got it wrong in the page i linked to | 18:10 |
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| kirma | humm: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nokia_n900_hands-on_slashgear_311-540x304.jpg | 18:14 |
| kirma | size comparison | 18:14 |
| * julianoliver clicks | 18:14 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Are we all getting karma for brainstorm ideas? :) | 18:14 |
| julianoliver | hah impressive. | 18:14 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: no idea | 18:15 |
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| * RST38h wonders if what he is going to do equates to karma whoring | 18:15 | |
| RST38h | But Quim Gil asked for it so anyway... | 18:15 |
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| julianoliver | it looks a little chunky in some of these snaps: http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-hands-on-0254743/ | 18:16 |
| julianoliver | good though to see the overall pocketvolume is much smaller than predecessors. | 18:17 |
| julianoliver | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nokia_n900_hands-on_slashgear_8-150x100.jpg | 18:17 |
| kirma | somehow I wonder if it really makes sense to put 800 pixel wide display on so small a device, if completely ignoring the fact that preceding units have had 800 pixel wide display... | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | 800 is a standard-ish resolution | 18:19 |
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| mgedmin | I can imagine web pages being designed so that they fit into 800x600 | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | ... if those web pages were designed 10 years ago | 18:19 |
| kirma | well, 640 would be too :) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | kirma: It probably does not as you can't make use of all these pixels anyway | 18:19 |
| kirma | and siply scaling everything is also an option | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | first netbooks were 800x480, weren't they? | 18:20 |
| RST38h | no | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Netbooks were 1024x768 | 18:20 |
| kirma | just that DPI is so high that it might go to waste | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | the very first asus netbook (eee 700) was smaller, wasn't it? | 18:20 |
| jaska | some of the older eees were 800x480 i think | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | eee 900 was 1024x600 | 18:20 |
| jaska | later 1024x600 | 18:21 |
| kirma | but from perspective of earlier applications relying on 800 pixel wide display to some extent, it's reasonable. | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: is | 18:21 |
| _berto_ | N97 costs 600 EUR in Spain if you buy it to Nokia, but 80 if you buy it to Vodafone. I imagine that the price of an N900 with a contract is going to be similar? | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | _berto_: Some people have expressed concerns that some carriers will not subsidise the N900. | 18:24 |
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| _berto_ | why | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Notice how this sounds more authoritive than 'I don't think'. | 18:25 |
| _berto_ | ? | 18:25 |
| _berto_ | don't they subsidise all phones if you sign a contract with them? | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | _berto_: because the carrier has _much_ less control over what's on the N900 | 18:25 |
| julianoliver | _berto_: en ingles una persona le comprar "from" y no "to". | 18:25 |
| _berto_ | julianoliver: ah yes :D | 18:25 |
| Corsac | will carrier even accept the freeness of the platform? | 18:25 |
| julianoliver | _berto_: ;) | 18:26 |
| Corsac | well, though we don't exactly know how free is the phone part | 18:26 |
| Corsac | do we? | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: We'll see by this time next month porbably. | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: the phone part is on a seperate core - talked to by 'AT' commands AIUI | 18:26 |
| javispedro | at this point, I don't think carriers even realise the openness of this product. | 18:26 |
| Corsac | but it shouldn't be less free than a 3G usb key anyway. | 18:26 |
| Corsac | ? | 18:26 |
| kirma | they could easily subsidise the phone if they can enforce a long contract that pays it back anyway, and some "safeguards" for them in data usage | 18:27 |
| kirma | I son't see why it couldn't be "free" | 18:27 |
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| julianoliver | vale. hasta luego todos | 18:27 |
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| kirma | of course, strongly themeized phone that leads users easily to their non-free services might get more subsidized | 18:28 |
| lcuk | as long as the firmware in the modem is strong, theres hould be no problem with kernel/usre operations running on any mobile device on any network | 18:28 |
| Corsac | kirma: I'm not sure how much you're allowed to send garbage on GSM freqs | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: Carriers have previously not been the most logical of companies - and wanted to extract the most revenue while slashing their costs to the bone. | 18:28 |
| kirma | corsac: well, as long as it doesn't really violate ETSI guidelines and such... not a big issue | 18:28 |
| lcuk | i think nokia tablets would benefit from dual wifi - one for an adhoc beacon, the other for talking to others | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: USB keys are perhaps 30e or so in bulk - I'm unsure. Not 599. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | or is this possible with a single wifi | 18:29 |
| kirma | and operators *can* cut down/throttle users if they find them a real nuisance. or they may even do that by writing a predictable contract | 18:29 |
| kirma | like one that has traffic speed gaps and total transfer gaps that are agreed and enforced by their network | 18:30 |
| kirma | it should really be their own problem if they can't do proper capacity planning | 18:30 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: I meant free as in speech and features, not free as in beer | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Capacity isn't free. | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: fair enough. | 18:31 |
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| kirma | laptops with 3G don't come with huge amount of limitations and yet they're sold "subsidized", if you really can call long contracts that | 18:31 |
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| X-Fade | Most contracts are sold here through 3rd parties, the provider doesn't even know what phone these people sell with that contract. | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | kirma: things seem to be somewhat changing - with many providers seeming to realise they can't maintain the status quo forever. | 18:32 |
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| kirma | sounds, hm, interesting model, if the phones are "subsidized" | 18:32 |
| Myrtti | stupid sed | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.three.co.uk/Home - for example. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | These used to be a 'walled garden' only 3G provider. | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | These shops just get a certain amount for each contract, they determine how much they give back to the customer. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | now they are offering free windows messenger forever - no need to top up even to keep using it. | 18:33 |
| roope | subsidies generally of course require sim locking. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't even have to to make calls. | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | You can get a PS3,wii or cash too. | 18:33 |
| lcuk | hey roope, you still at nw | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | roope: No, not in NL. | 18:34 |
| roope | lcuk: nope, I'm not at nw at all. | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | roope: Of course - the main core running linux doesn't mean you can unlock the modem part if it's locked | 18:34 |
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| X-Fade | roope: You just aren't allowed to close the contract before it ends ;) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | ahhh thought you would be | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | you are allowed to close it | 18:34 |
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| roope | x-fade: yes, that's one model of course. | 18:34 |
| lcuk | but you will be payiing in blood! | 18:35 |
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| kirma | unless nokia has done some really great trustzone work on N900, the modem is probably exposed through a interface that you simply can't mess up so that it affects the network... | 18:35 |
| roope | i should be in the maemo summit, however. | 18:35 |
| coldboot | Has anyone had problems with dbus not working in scratchbox 1? | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | kirma: Telepathy should be able to access it at least. | 18:35 |
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| kirma | I mean, *physical* interface. | 18:37 |
| kirma | in the case of TrustZone implementation, it would be logical interface between trusted and untrusted code | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that one should be pretty closed ;) | 18:37 |
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| _berto_ | the thing is, there are already apps to hack phones using other platforms, I don't know if it's going to be that much different in practice with the N900 from the carriers' pov | 18:39 |
| andre__ | VDVsx_, is there a reason that it's "supertux-stable"? kind of confuses me as there's no -unstable either :-P | 18:40 |
| kirma | it's mostly a regulatory compliance issue | 18:40 |
| andre__ | VDVsx_, should get into -testing. works very well here | 18:40 |
| kirma | but if an estabilished player wants to get a phone to the market, it *has* to turn to be non-issue way before anyone could even daydream it getting to the market... | 18:41 |
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| kirma | what telcos have traditionally tried to do to keep their stupid business model has very little to do with that | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 18:42 |
| kirma | unlocked nokia phones don't really violate ETSI regulations any more than the completely messed up locked ones... | 18:43 |
| VDVsx_ | andre__, because there's a unstable version, also called supertux2 :P, I will change that and other few thing, but I would like to know what keycode "return/enter" produces, if possible ;) | 18:43 |
| Khertan_ | bye | 18:43 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx_, tell me how to find out and i could help :) | 18:43 |
| kirma | but ETSI regulations are a partial explanation for the fact why there's no 3GPP radio stack implementation in open source for linux... at least in real use | 18:44 |
| _berto_ | but this one is not supposed to violate regulations either, no matter if it's subsidised or not | 18:44 |
| VDVsx_ | andre__, ok, tahnks, I will get back to you later ;) | 18:44 |
| VDVsx_ | s/tahnks/thanks/ | 18:44 |
| VDVsx_ | ~ping | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: open source doesn't really matter. Ability to change the source matters. | 18:45 |
| kirma | indeed | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | s/source/binary/ | 18:46 |
| kirma | but the fact that those tend to go together, there hasn't been much of a interest to write such a stack in GPL | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 18:46 |
| VDVsx_ | infobot gone :´( ? | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Unapproved software modem is quite tricky to make. | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: I do note that the freerunner/neo1973 openmoko radio hardware chipset docs got leaked. | 18:47 |
| Corsac | though it might possible to do that with gnuradio | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: _utter_ bitch thought due to latency requirements I think. | 18:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | kirma: the complete GSM chipset I mean. | 18:47 |
| kirma | speedevil: something interesting there? | 18:47 |
| Corsac | qh | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: google wikileak calypso docs | 18:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | kirma: it's more or less a couple of ARM cores - one doing the hard-realtime stuff and a application core | 18:48 |
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| kirma | speedevil: the "new" symbian kernel was specifically rewritten to meet 3GPP realtime requirements, so that the 3G stack could be run largely on primary processor | 18:48 |
| _BuBU | hi | 18:48 |
| _BuBU | I've a quick question: is there any phone supporting maemo + sip + ipsec vpn ? | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: there is a difference between the soft-realtime and the hard-realtime bits | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: the soft-realtime bits are things that will result in dropped calls, or ... if you miss them. The hard-realtime results in you stomping over someone elses timeslot. | 18:49 |
| wazd_ | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/3879536742_41084670cb.jpg - laaaaaaaaaaawl! | 18:50 |
| wazd_ | KO :D | 18:50 |
| kirma | speedevil: true, true | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: the first is really easy to put on the main core. The second pretty much needs at least substantial hardware. | 18:50 |
| Myrtti | merh | 18:50 |
| Robot101 | symbian 9 introduced hard RTOS scheduling which made it possible to put the cellular badgering on the same CPU as the applications | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:51 |
| VDVsx_ | wazd_, nokla n900, pretty cool....not :P | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | linux doesn't have that unless you patch the /crap/ out of it | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | or, virtualise it | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_: having said that. | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | and maemo hasn't done either | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_: A lot of the 'iplone''s and ... would actually make nice linux platforms. | 18:51 |
| Robot101 | so the architecture with a separate cellular modem chip is more like earlier symbian handsets | 18:51 |
| wazd_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOW_IaB3S4c - video review :D | 18:52 |
| wazd_ | oh my, oh my :D | 18:52 |
| Robot101 | but, Nokia has one of those chips so its easy to drop it in and focus on the Linux side | 18:52 |
| kirma | speedevil: although I read 3GPP radio interface books with interest in local bookshops, thankfully I haven't gone to deep detailed knowledge of remembering that stuff by heart... but yes, there are obviously harmless and regulatory suicidal slips :) | 18:52 |
| VDVsx_ | wazd_, cool antenna ;) | 18:53 |
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| wazd_ | it's a double slider! take that, Nokia! :D | 18:53 |
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| VDVsx_ | lol | 18:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | more than ESTI - the nightmare scenario is that 23 million handsets get sold - and then someone cracks the phone half and releases a 'send your data free to nearby friends' app - that just broadcasts on a cellular channel and wipes out some emergency calls for 15km round you. - and all the 12 yearolds install it on their phones. | 18:57 |
| coldboot | What script is supposed to run `sbox_ctl start` when the computer boots up? | 18:57 |
| coldboot | I have to run it manually now, for some reason. | 18:57 |
| kirma | well, the regulations are in place exactly to avoid that | 18:58 |
| coldboot | Also dbus is broken, but that could have been and Ubuntu update. | 18:58 |
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| kirma | well, not that specific scenario, but still, not just for nitpicking :) | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | Ev'ning | 18:58 |
| tank-man | coldboot, you can add a line in rc.local or whatever to start that | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: yeah - too many people seem to think it's 'the evil companys' | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: not that it has a purpose | 18:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh the irony. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=320258&postcount=12 | 19:00 |
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| * VDVsx_ beats Jaffa :P | 19:07 | |
| VDVsx_ | Jaffa, n900 community :P ? | 19:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx_, only the cool cats get to belong to that one. | 19:11 |
| VDVsx_ | GeneralAntilles, like a screat society ? ;) | 19:12 |
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| VDVsx_ | I bet you are in :P | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx_, if only. :( | 19:15 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx_: I wanted to get #N900 in there :-p | 19:15 |
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| VDVsx_ | Jaffa, ;) | 19:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | evening | 19:17 |
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| VDVsx_ | wb aSIMULAtor :) | 19:17 |
| aSIMULAtor | hihi | 19:18 |
| coldboot | Why would registering with dbus inside scratchbox fail? | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | coldboot: Wrong dbus - there's been talk of this recently on -devel in the portrait thread | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Funny keyboard http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/3881636098_0eaa3d0106_b.jpg | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like an old laptop keyboard. | 19:20 |
| lardman | typing on the iPhone is easier than.... | 19:20 |
| lardman | what | 19:20 |
| lardman | madman | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, fanboy. | 19:20 |
| zerojay | Lunchtime. Me thinks I'll take more pics of my N810 doing stuff. Grassroots marketing ftw. | 19:20 |
| VDVsx_ | coldboot, take also in mind that dbus doesn't work with sudo/fakeroot inside sbox | 19:20 |
| coldboot | Jaffa: My program used to work fine, then I went away for a week, came back, upgraded Ubuntu and now it can't connect with DBus. | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | "What I've spent dozens of hours getting used to is easier to use than something I've only used in passing." | 19:21 |
| lardman | it's certainly easier than building a space shuttle out of toilet rolls and flying it to the moon, but only just | 19:21 |
| coldboot | VDVsx_: Just running as a regular user for now. | 19:21 |
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| coldboot | Jaffa: Where are the archives? | 19:22 |
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| Jaffa | coldboot: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/ - second result on Google for "maemo-developers" ;-p | 19:23 |
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| slonopotamus | second? | 19:23 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: What Ubuntu did you upgrade to? | 19:23 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I'm just using 8.10, I just let it update packages. | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Are you trying to run in the ARMEL rootstrap? | 19:24 |
| coldboot | Jaffa: maemo-devel is the ambiguous one to search for... | 19:24 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: i386 | 19:24 |
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| coldboot | These stupid mailing list archive generators are so useless. | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Huh. And you are running with run-standalone.sh? | 19:25 |
| coldboot | Who wants to search by date, per month? | 19:25 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I am, and it segfaults. | 19:25 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I've never had to use run-standalone.sh before, nor have I had to use af-sb-init.sh | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | coldboot: There's also a forum interface on maemo.org somewhere | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Did you ubuntu upgrade do anything to the scratchbox packages? | 19:26 |
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| * kirma wonders how long wait it's *really* going to be for N900 he ordered today morning from nokia... | 19:28 | |
| aSIMULAtor | forever and ever? :P | 19:29 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I'm not sure, don't know where the logs are. | 19:30 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Sounds like scratchbox got screwed up, if you have to run the ctl command after boot now and you didn't before | 19:30 |
| kirma | it was quite a wait for E90 last time I actually chose to want a new phone... | 19:31 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah. | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | fiferboy: Are you in fact in Fife (scotland?) | 19:31 |
| coldboot | Scratchbox 1 and 2 are pretty shitty. | 19:31 |
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| fiferboy | SpeedEvil: No, I used to play a fife at a historic fort in Toronto | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | **To Log out of Hildon Click Advanced Backlight and then Click any Rotation option. | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | muahaha | 19:31 |
| zerojay | Hopefully, i won't have to wait a year to get my developer device, if they'll be available at all. | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | fiferboy: Ah. /me is in the region. | 19:32 |
| erik__ | Is tehre any hardware acceleration of MP3 decoding on the N810 that may not be effective on Ogg/vorbis decoding resulting in lower battery life ? | 19:32 |
| fiferboy | SpeedEvil: The Fife, Scotland region? Or the Toronto region? | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | fiferboy: fife, scotland | 19:32 |
| zerojay | I think mp3 is decoded on the dsp. | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | erik__, there is | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 19:32 |
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| erik__ | mmm, I am not using the integrated music player. How can I tell whether the software i use (xmms 1 in fact) is using the DSP hardware acceleration when playing mp3 ? | 19:36 |
| zerojay | It's not. | 19:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Quick way: check to see if the CPU speed has dropped to 330... | 19:36 |
| zerojay | Xmms doesn't use gstreamer, so no dsp | 19:36 |
| zerojay | Wow, people still use xmms, lol | 19:37 |
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| erik__ | yeah, the integrated software messed with the tags of the file | 19:37 |
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| erik__ | I just picked one I knew in the list :) | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | erik__, you need to use gstreamer to benefit from dsp decoding | 19:37 |
| zerojay | The media player doesn't write tags. | 19:37 |
| zerojay | Just reads or misreads them | 19:38 |
| erik__ | zerojay: it did not read them correctly either | 19:38 |
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| zerojay | Has a slash in the tag? | 19:39 |
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| erik__ | there is all kind of shit in the tag, space, slashes and UTF8 characters | 19:39 |
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| vladovg | hi | 19:51 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 19:52 | |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | Khertan_n810, hello, mister | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | i've just publish some two others screenshots of mPIM on my blog with icons this time : http://khertan.net | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | hmm, is there a working build-essential package for diablo? | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus_ | xnt14, maemo doesn't have concept of 'build-essential' | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus_ | at least pre-fremantle | 19:55 |
| xnt14 | ok, so how do I compile on my nit? | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | xntl4 does are you trying to build package for some python scripts / app ? | 19:55 |
| xnt14 | no, im trying to compile liqbase | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really regret having staid up for that presentation. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Stealing music is bad! <finger wag/>" | 19:56 |
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| Khertan_tiredofp | [18:56] <Khertan_n810> xntl4: ah so ask to lcukn[18:56] <Khertan_n810> lcuk : pingn[18:56] <Khertan_n810> i know that he compile it on his nit | 19:58 |
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| xnt14 | ok ;) | 19:59 |
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| Khertan_n810_2 | but do not expect a fast compilation | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | :) | 20:00 |
| xnt14 | true... | 20:00 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:00 |
| * Khertan_n810_2 really like WordPy ! | 20:01 | |
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| Khertan_n810_2 | thx yerga for this great app | 20:01 |
| yerga | Khertan_n810_2, you're welcome ;-) | 20:02 |
| yerga | Khertan_n810_2, it will be better in Fremantle | 20:02 |
| lcuk | xnt | 20:02 |
| lcuk | xnt14, | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | i like too the actual ui ... it s inspired me for mPIM > http://khertan.net | 20:03 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, yes? | 20:03 |
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| xnt14 | ;) | 20:03 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | yerga but i dont expect to get a n900 soon | 20:03 |
| yerga | Khertan_n810_2, I have seen your posts, it looks nice | 20:03 |
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| yerga | Khertan_n810_2, with the developer program will be cheaper | 20:03 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | yerga: thx | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | yerga: i hope : 1/ When 2/ Will i ll be selected :) | 20:04 |
| Corsac | what exactly is required to "join" the developer program? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | xnt14, gimme a mo | 20:05 |
| xnt14 | k | 20:05 |
| lcuk | ill give you a list of the packages | 20:05 |
| zerojay | You don't need anything to start developing. Grab the sdk. | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | Corsac: not define yet | 20:05 |
| Corsac | ok | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | corsac: it seems it ll be discuss at the summit if i understand well the qgil post on the dev mailing list | 20:06 |
| zerojay | Usually based on community karma, proposed app ideas, etc... | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810_2 | zerojay : as they doln t want that is available only for dev and that karma is mainly calculated on product made | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | i dont think there ll be only karma for the choice | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | but as qgil said it s need to be defined ... | 20:09 |
| zerojay | No, of course not. | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | so waiting will be the answer | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | ok | 20:12 |
| lcuk | xnt14 | 20:12 |
| xnt14 | :) | 20:12 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free | 20:12 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/tools free non-free | 20:12 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free | 20:12 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free | 20:12 |
| lcuk | apt-get install libc6-dev make gcc-3.4-base binutils cpp-3.4 pkg-config libxml2 libgstreamer0.10-dev libglib2.0-dev | 20:12 |
| lcuk | libxml2-dev libx11-dev libxext-dev libxsp-dev libjpeg62-dev libxv-dev cpp gcc x-debug-tools gcc-3.4 g++ libpng12-dev | 20:12 |
| lcuk | libxrandr-dev libgcc1 g++-3.4 libosso-dev libfreetype6-dev build-essential | 20:12 |
| lcuk | find space for them all :P | 20:12 |
| xnt14 | :) | 20:12 |
| lcuk | technically build-essential is all you need | 20:12 |
| xnt14 | thanks | 20:12 |
| lcuk | but thats a dump of everything i needed to install liqbase | 20:12 |
| * Corsac pastebins lcuk | 20:12 | |
| * xnt14 checks the free internal space on his nit | 20:13 | |
| * lcuk throws bin back @ carsac | 20:13 | |
| lcuk | yeah xnt | 20:13 |
| lcuk | its about 90mb needed | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | lcuk : just a suggestion put it to a webpage with an adword :) | 20:13 |
| lcuk | throw out everything | 20:13 |
| * Corsac has only one a | 20:13 | |
| Khertan_n810_2 | and put the system on the sdcard | 20:13 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810_2, the website will be updated asap :) | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | :) | 20:13 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810_2, i wanted complete building from scratch | 20:14 |
| lcuk | and never investigated anything other than making it work on my tablet | 20:14 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, crap...... I only have 11.9mb left :P | 20:14 |
| Corsac | huhu | 20:14 |
| xnt14 | ok time to uninstall stuff..... | 20:14 |
| lcuk | then you might be able to install fuckall.deb | 20:14 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: pretty please with cherry on top, please please use pastebin in the future <(^.^)> | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i wonder if doing apt-get build-essential on the n900 will work | 20:15 |
| * Khertan_n810_2 switch his website to wordpress : easier to post from nit with MaemoWordPy | 20:15 | |
| lcuk | with the things people were saying about space | 20:15 |
| lcuk | would gcc and its cohorts fit? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, of course, anything for you sweetie :D apologies | 20:15 |
| * lcuk wont do that again :$ | 20:15 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, thats only cos you do cool unicode stuff | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | ouch it take me 10 minues to found the right login/password gro.omeam rof | 20:16 |
| Myrtti | ☕ <-- coffee/tea for lcuk | 20:16 |
| lcuk | o_O i got only a square that time :( | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | hihi funny invert when n810 is freezing | 20:17 |
| lcuk | your mojo is gone, i think i only understand your hearts | 20:17 |
| Mousey | uh | 20:17 |
| Myrtti | ☺ | 20:17 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:17 |
| lcuk | i see dat one | 20:17 |
| lcuk | my twitter mojo is lacking | 20:17 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk | 20:17 |
| zerojay | Me too on my n810 | 20:18 |
| * lcuk has not many friends and so much to say | 20:18 | |
| Myrtti | lolwhat, I'm not following you in Twitter? /me corrects the error | 20:18 |
| lcuk | last time i saw you Myrtti was in jaiku and you said "im not gettin a twitter ever" | 20:18 |
| lcuk | or words to that effect | 20:19 |
| zerojay | Lol | 20:19 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: and then it was ported to GAE with bugs affecting privacy | 20:19 |
| lcuk | :( | 20:19 |
| Myrtti | and then it was shit. | 20:19 |
| zerojay | Damn, 310 followers. 0 spammers. | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | huhu comment posted on MaemoWordPy on maemo ... | 20:20 |
| aSIMULAtor | meh twitter. | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | train starting connection will surely drop :( | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | WAve. | 20:21 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, i thought you were in uk, or are you flipflopping | 20:21 |
| zerojay | I was like that too until i made a lot of connections. | 20:21 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: flipflop | 20:21 |
| zerojay | sure added a lot of finns lately, lol | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810_2 | Source IP: 10.186.185.126,. | 20:22 |
| aSIMULAtor | about twitter? | 20:22 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'll reserve the flight to UK straight after I've recovered a bit of Friday | 20:22 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 20:22 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm trying to get into it, but i simply can't | 20:23 |
| lcuk | is friday important? | 20:23 |
| Myrtti | cholecystectomy... | 20:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | everything i post on twitter is the same shit i post on irc anyways | 20:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | then there's facebook statuses | 20:23 |
| zerojay | I link 'em. | 20:23 |
| zerojay | Except twitter replies. | 20:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | but yeah i guess it's good to follow ppl i suppose | 20:23 |
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| aSIMULAtor | i often wonder if i should even post facebook statuses, twitter comments, flickr pictures when all i do is talk about cats | 20:24 |
| zerojay | Depends on how you use it. | 20:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | cause i'm a crazy cat person | 20:24 |
| zerojay | Lol | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti yikes, i dunno what it is, but i know i dont want one | 20:25 |
| lcuk | its one of those doctor things | 20:25 |
| * lcuk hates doctors and doors | 20:25 | |
| ShadowJK | I was once down to 20 meg free on /. Tablet was running so incrediblhy slow :) | 20:25 |
| ShadowJK | But that might be because it was a 512 meg file in /var | 20:26 |
| till- | 20mb free on / is a lot :) | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: fwiw, i crashed supertux | 20:27 |
| lcuk | till- :) | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, ehehhe | 20:28 |
| till- | i'm happy with ~10mb | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, whats happened ? | 20:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i was probably shutting down | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | do you have symbols? | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | we could probably arrange to pair my core with something | 20:29 |
| AStorm | yeah, someone should use splitdebug | 20:30 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: gallbladder removal (in my case in keyhole surgery, hopefully) | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 20:34 |
| lcuk | stop eating gravel | 20:34 |
| lcuk | :O whole bladder | 20:34 |
| lcuk | not just stones | 20:34 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: if the stones are removed, they're likely to form again | 20:35 |
| lcuk | yeah horrible painful things | 20:35 |
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| kirma | "Bei Vorbestellung ist eine Anlieferung voraussichtlich ab dem 01. Oktober 2009 möglich. Dies ist abhängig von der gewählten Versandart und Produkt-Verfügbarkeit. | 20:37 |
| kirma | hmmh. | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, you are following me and im following you but you are still protected | 20:49 |
| RST38h | No release date for US | 20:51 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: and I know and got an email that you've requested to follow me, but then I see "0 following requests" and no way to allow it atm... | 20:51 |
| Myrtti | twitter must have some difficulties | 20:51 |
| lcuk | yikes | 20:51 |
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| wiretapped | if twitter had a dime for every time people realized twitter must have some difficulties, they'd have a viable business model | 20:55 |
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| coldboot | hahaha | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 4chan was recently somewhat DOSing twitter. I'm unsure if it's still going on. | 20:56 |
| coldboot | It seems like such a simple thing, I don't know how they can't get it right. | 20:56 |
| coldboot | Also, why don't they make their own, automatic url shortening service? | 20:56 |
| coldboot | Then we're not dependent on all of these url shortening services that could disappear any moment. | 20:56 |
| * RST38h sees no point in twitter | 20:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | I see a point. | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | But not for its current use. | 20:58 |
| RST38h | The best use of Twitter I have seen is to keep autobuilder log | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It is _very_ useful for coordinating projects where you may have a wide variety of platforms - PC - phone/... - and all want to be able to communicate in some form. | 20:59 |
| _berto_ | there are several uses | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Speed: You want to communicate or your platforms want to communicate? | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | For announcing to the world that you've just farted - not so much. | 20:59 |
| simula | any news on a us release date for the n900 from nokia world? | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I was meaning - for example - a group that may be using mobiles and PCs and ... to do something, or organise a project. | 21:00 |
| RST38h | simula: Nokia explicitly said they will not disclose US release date | 21:00 |
| AStorm | heh | 21:00 |
| simula | crap.... thanks RST38h | 21:00 |
| AStorm | this means it will be in December ;P | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Speed: And why would you need twitter for that? | 21:00 |
| wiretapped | http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays <-- best use of twitter yet. | 21:00 |
| AStorm | or maybe November | 21:00 |
| RST38h | AStorm: possibly | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Because maintaining a list of phone numbers - and sending multiple SMSs to them all - and SMS-PC gateways is annoying. | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Speed: You have already got IM, email, IRC, phone, and interpersonal communication | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Sure. | 21:01 |
| _berto_ | twitter is in some ways like a huge IRC room where everybody is in but you only see your friends | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Speed: Why do you communicate with your developers by sending them SMSes? | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Has emailed stopped to exist? | 21:01 |
| RST38h | 21:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Specific case - for example - people in the field (literally) going to pick up a balloon payload. | 21:01 |
| Myrtti | SMS? Twitter? oh, yeah, that thing that worked sometime in the distant past | 21:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, pagers and smses are actually the most "reliable" way to keep contact with people still | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Who may have variable mobile phone coverage - and people at home on PCs tracking the signal emitted from said payload until it drops below hte radio horizon at 1km or so | 21:02 |
| AStorm | true, also noticed | 21:02 |
| suihkulokki | I think this explains twitter well: http://guncarryinglibrarian.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/socialmediavenndiagram1.jpg | 21:02 |
| Myrtti | wiretapped: lollercoaster | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: At $.10 a message, I will disagree | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, at 10p a message to know that when one comes in its specifically for you and related specifically for your job i think many firms still see benefits | 21:04 |
| lcuk | oncall people | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Many - even most - contract phones in the UK have several hundred texts built in to the package free per month | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Speed: Is that a common case? I mean, millions of people are picking balloons in the field? | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just use email or IM | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: No - of course not. I'm saying it has valid uses. | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Speed: You want to show a COMMON valid use | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And in many places IM or email is lots more expensive than text. | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: no - I don't. | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Well, GPS-equipped balloons do not qualify for a common case | 21:05 |
| _berto_ | sometimes I want to say something that I think might be interesting to my friends but I don't want to IM or SMS all of them | 21:05 |
| RST38h | berto: Counting to 10 in your head will solve this. | 21:06 |
| _berto_ | RST38h: it doesn't | 21:06 |
| RST38h | And will actually be faster than typing it =) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | RST38h, SMS messages get through when most other services are downable | 21:06 |
| _berto_ | what are blogs for anyway ? | 21:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That is actually a legend :) | 21:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | that's why... irc > * the end. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Network goes down or you travel outside the coverage or into a subway tunnel - and you are not receiving SMSes | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: however the network retries | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but the amount of devices supporting sms is > than the amount of devices that support good strong reliable email | 21:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Your account runs out of 10-pence coins, and you again are not receiving SMSes | 21:08 |
| lcuk | that is cos america is shit | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Speed: Only when there is coverage and money on the account | 21:08 |
| lcuk | and pays to recv | 21:08 |
| lcuk | logical people pay to buy a stamp to send | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: SMS packages that have several hundred SMSs per month are very inexpensive in many countries. | 21:08 |
| lcuk | and recieving is free | 21:08 |
| _berto_ | if we all counted to 10 in our heads this room would be quiet all the time | 21:08 |
| RST38h | berto: Would it be a bad thing? =) | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Speed: I may be sending several hundred IRC or ICQ messages a day | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Speed: You are talking about a month | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Speed: It is in everybody's best interest to recognize SMSes as a way cell phone operators are fleecing you | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Speed: And move on to IP-based IM | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/sim-card/pay-monthly/pay-monthly-solo/solo-15/allowances/ | 21:10 |
| lcuk | RST38h, IM and email and shouting across the room are all great ways to communicate - its obvious people like and seem to trust different methods, no matter how reliable/mythical that trust is | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | unlimited texts - 350 minutes per month - 15 quid sim-only | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And saying twitter is useless because it doesn't meet your use-case ... | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Speed: And? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Speed: I am saying twitter is useless because it does not seem to meet ANY common use case | 21:11 |
| _berto_ | I told you one | 21:11 |
| lcuk | random textual fragments | 21:11 |
| lcuk | they are cool | 21:11 |
| RST38h | berto: Count to 10 now =) | 21:12 |
| lcuk | and can be used for imaginative things :) | 21:12 |
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| _berto_ | what's the use of IRC? or blogs? | 21:12 |
| lcuk | irc is my blog | 21:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not really: once you look over those random textual fragments you will see that most people REALLY have nothing to say, twitter or not | 21:12 |
| lcuk | #liqbase gets pingbacks lol | 21:12 |
| RST38h | berto: IRC - form of instant messaging | 21:13 |
| lcuk | RST38h, twitter irc slashdot digg ........... | 21:13 |
| _berto_ | RST38h: the fact that most people don't have anything to say applies to IRC and blogs as well | 21:13 |
| RST38h | berto: Blogs - no use as far as I am concerned | 21:13 |
| lcuk | all crap, but people like to pontificate | 21:13 |
| _berto_ | RST38h: twitter is a form of instant messaging as well | 21:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Pontificate in front of the mirror or a cat =) | 21:13 |
| _berto_ | at least it can be used as such | 21:13 |
| lcuk | cat just looks at me funny | 21:13 |
| wiretapped | Hey baby, wanna come to myspace and twitter my yahoo 'til i google all over your facebook ? | 21:13 |
| _berto_ | but well | 21:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So do your twitter feed readers | 21:14 |
| _berto_ | if you don't see any use of blogs I don't think I'll be able to convince you about twitter | 21:14 |
| * wiretapped was just demonstrating the IRC usecase | 21:14 | |
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| lcuk | at least (some) of the time they respond in a manner that doesnt involve plasters or surgical repair | 21:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ehehehehe | 21:14 |
| lcuk | i am gonna make #liqbase log directly to my liqbase twitter account | 21:15 |
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| javispedro | wow, so DocsToGo is there. | 21:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | at least on irc, you get realtime comments about things. that aren't subjected to a 140 character limit. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | berto: Is a blog like a moderated USENET newgroup with only the moderator allowed to post new threads? =) | 21:15 |
| RST38h | javis: Yep | 21:15 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, some irc servers DO limit input to 140 or thereabouts | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Also - IM and email - fine. However - I can get a phone today for 10 pounds that will support twitter - and will cost about 10 pounds a month to run. I cannot do that with IM or email | 21:16 |
| lcuk | its all dependant on the server | 21:16 |
| lcuk | and freenode allows 450 | 21:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | well that sucks..good thing i don't go on those servers | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Speed: I can | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | 140? bullcrap | 21:16 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its just a param on the server isnt it | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Speed: Startup cost will be higher than f10 of course, but such is life | 21:16 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah i've not been on an IRC server with 140 character limit | 21:16 |
| lcuk | clients are meant to honour that | 21:16 |
| * lcuk likes how your specialist subject made you perk :D | 21:16 | |
| florian | re | 21:17 |
| lcuk | hey florian | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: 512 is the buffer size | 21:17 |
| _berto_ | RST38h: USENET ? what's that for ? =) | 21:17 |
| * RST38h officially counts to 10 and goes to do some house chores | 21:17 | |
| Stskeeps | rest minus command and target is how long message | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | and optional origin | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | isnt it available to be configured using one of these params | 21:19 |
| lcuk | (this doesnt have msglen, but im sure i saw it somewhere | 21:19 |
| lcuk | * IRCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#:20 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=bdeI:50 MODES=4 STATUSMSG=@ KNOCK NICKLEN=16 :are supported by this server | 21:19 |
| lcuk | * SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 :are supported by this server | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | the 450 i keep seeing from this server must just be topiclen, but i thought msglen was also there | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda helped push that standard and afaik there's no msglen | 21:20 |
| AStorm | lcuk: there | 21:20 |
| _berto_ | but no one of us is using more than 140 chars anyway :-D | 21:20 |
| AStorm | 's a hard limit in dancer, 4096 | 21:20 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 21:21 |
| javispedro | what the *** did you do to him? | 21:21 |
| javispedro | you irc phreakers! | 21:21 |
| * lcuk bows to your superior knowledge stskeeps | 21:22 | |
| zerojay | Berto, try woofertime.com. | 21:22 |
| javispedro | poor infobot, you killed him again. no irc logs... | 21:22 |
| zerojay | No tweets will get posted unless you have a message of 1400 characters or more, lol | 21:22 |
| _berto_ | zerojay: lol | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | anyone know what res the nokia x6 is | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and whether its hackable | 21:30 |
| ape | Pyöriikös Maemolla Quake tai joku vastaava kloonipeli? Ja sivukysymyksenä tiedustelisin vielä sen suorituskykyä N800/N810-laitteissa. | 21:30 |
| aol_ | 640x360 is the resolution on x6 | 21:30 |
| lcuk | a bit low, but workable | 21:30 |
| ape | Oops.. This was the English channel :D | 21:30 |
| aol_ | lcuk: standard 5th edition symbian | 21:31 |
| ape | Does Quake or a similar clone game work with Maemo? And how does it run on N800 or N810? | 21:31 |
| * lcuk is powered by the penguin | 21:31 | |
| lcuk | anyone ever bothered to get linux bootloader on any of these devices | 21:32 |
| lcuk | maemo everywhere | 21:32 |
| lcuk | /mer | 21:32 |
| aol_ | lcuk: I don't think it will be hackable to extent installing your own bootloader :) | 21:32 |
| lcuk | then thats not hackable | 21:32 |
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| aol_ | I've seen bootloader on some 2nd edition s60 | 21:32 |
| lcuk | or rather, then thats a challenge | 21:32 |
| aol_ | but after that no | 21:32 |
| aol_ | but it makes no sense | 21:33 |
| lcuk | linux users avoid it because its hard to get fancypants effects | 21:33 |
| aol_ | there is so much stuff on the firmware nowadays | 21:33 |
| AStorm | ape: lxdoom | 21:33 |
| aol_ | you lose voice and 3g | 21:33 |
| AStorm | ape: quake 1 also works | 21:33 |
| lcuk | i want touch hardware | 21:33 |
| aol_ | probably never will get them supported with your own OS on it | 21:33 |
| lcuk | we have maemo | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and ofono whenever it gets here | 21:33 |
| aol_ | many symbians run the 3g baseband stuff in kernel | 21:34 |
| lcuk | and maemo will have that same code somewhere | 21:34 |
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| aol_ | well. it's a challange atleast :) ' | 21:34 |
| aol_ | if not impossible | 21:34 |
| lcuk | aol, from what i can gather - maemo linux is going to run on nokia hardware - if we could convince nokia to allow maemo linux to run elsewhere - imagine the coup! | 21:35 |
| mikkov_ | ape: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ doom, quake, quake2, duke nukem | 21:35 |
| aol_ | lcuk: :) | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I see that happening only after the n900 is a success and is taken up in large volume by carriers. | 21:35 |
| aol_ | lcuk: maemo5 would suck on current nokia symbian hw | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: especially as it also _GREATLY_ weakens their position. | 21:36 |
| wazd_ | guys, quick poll, http://zhil.in/maemo/ - not too bad? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | aol_: you can install bootloader of different kind but after fucking up NOLO, you are unable to reflash through standard means | 21:36 |
| lcuk | aol_ | 21:36 |
| lcuk | but liqbase wouldnt | 21:36 |
| lcuk | its designed for low spec hardware | 21:36 |
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| wazd_ | not finished though | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Nokia is then vulnerable to random chinese makers that make a phone and put the thing that nokia has popularised on it. | 21:36 |
| lcuk | thats already the case | 21:36 |
| lcuk | see mer/smartq | 21:37 |
| AStorm | wazd_: except you made a 3,5" screen there ;P | 21:37 |
| lcuk | and its sancioned | 21:37 |
| glass | you can already make 'maemo' compatible devices without nokia | 21:37 |
| lcuk | sanctioned | 21:37 |
| aol_ | Stskeeps: I thought we all work in nokia related companies that have flashing stations 0_o :) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | nokia KNOWS its open source | 21:37 |
| aol_ | flashing is no problem ;) | 21:37 |
| glass | aol_: just me and you buddy :D | 21:37 |
| wazd_ | AStorm: oh, not the mockup, blog itself :) | 21:37 |
| AStorm | wazd_: oh and improve the keyboard while you're at it ;) | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | glass: yes. But the market for phones isn't there yet. | 21:37 |
| aol_ | glass: :D | 21:37 |
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| glass | SpeedEvil: also rolling up manufacturing isn't cheap at all | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | aol_: i don't personally have a 770/n800/n810 ones | 21:37 |
| AStorm | I can't tell you anything, since I'm viewing it in links2 (gfx mode) | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | glass: I know - I was meaning the existing '1phone' manufacturers. | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | aol_: i would love a n810 flashing jig, heh | 21:38 |
| aol_ | Stskeeps: yeah I dont have those either, I thought we were talking about x6 and such :P | 21:39 |
| keesj | having the n900 in pre-order on the front page of nokia.nl really makes my day | 21:40 |
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| AStorm | no (pre-)order in PL yet | 21:40 |
| aol_ | any country having n900 for less than £500 (=550eur) ? | 21:40 |
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| AStorm | aol_: US | 21:40 |
| aol_ | I think my order will go to expansys.com | 21:40 |
| aol_ | AStorm: probably cant order it from there, they have different 3g stuff | 21:41 |
| AStorm | no, the modem is 4-band | 21:41 |
| AStorm | it will work here | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | AStorm: 4 band != worldwide 3g | 21:41 |
| aol_ | or then again I might have my employer buy it for me, old phone is nearly the 18 month maximum age :D | 21:41 |
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| AStorm | SpeedEvil: correct, but works for US and EU | 21:42 |
| AStorm | which means it works here | 21:42 |
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| aol_ | it will work, but 3g has different bands than here | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | AStorm: 4 band GSM has nothing to do with 3G generally | 21:42 |
| AStorm | you say so? | 21:42 |
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| aol_ | i mean working, and using ALL bands is different | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless I'm confused - which is possible | 21:42 |
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| aol_ | I dont want crippled 3g | 21:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles hates etrunko http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xF-tlYcJ9_0/Sp5zn2slRJI/AAAAAAAAAwE/ILUEAzb37-Y/s1600-h/27082009003.jpg | 21:43 | |
| AStorm | well, I could order from UK in a pinch | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice fingerprint by the way. :P | 21:43 |
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| aol_ | heh we'll match that to goverment databases immediately | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | no N900 on the front? | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | or N00 | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's a Nokla | 21:45 |
| javispedro | heh | 21:45 |
| javispedro | they're fast at it. | 21:45 |
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| AStorm | "The specific frequency bands originally defined by the UMTS standard are 1885â2025 MHz for the mobile-to-base (uplink) and 2110â2200 MHz for the base-to-mobile (downlink). In the US, 1710â1755 MHz and 2110â2155 MHz will be used instead, as the 1900 MHz band was already utilized.[6] While UMTS2100 is the most widely-deployed UMTS band, some countries' UMTS operators use the 850 MHz | 21:46 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, now we have his fingerprint we can break into his secret lair | 21:46 |
| AStorm | and/or 1900 MHz bands (independently, meaning uplink and downlink are within the same band), notably in the US by AT&T Mobility, New Zealand by Telecom XT and in Australia by Telstra on the Next G network." | 21:46 |
| AStorm | that's what is meant by 4-band :> | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | AStorm: there are many things meant by 4 band - one is the 4 GSM bands | 21:47 |
| AStorm | yeah, but to support the US only, you need 4 bands anyway | 21:48 |
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| AStorm | which means all of them | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | a cellphone supporting the 4 GSM bands will do GSM and edge worldwide (where there is GSM) this says nothing about what 3G bands it supports. | 21:49 |
| glass | AStorm: finland has 3g on 900mhz too now | 21:50 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: why so? | 21:51 |
| etrunko | working on it | 21:51 |
| jaska | yeah, i think elisa has 3g also on 900MHz | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | etrunko, everybody seems to be getting ahold of N900s before me. | 21:51 |
| jaska | easier coverage i guess | 21:51 |
| glass | yeah | 21:51 |
| glass | for rural | 21:51 |
| glass | it helps | 21:52 |
| jaska | no 3G on sonera where i live, atleast according to maps | 21:52 |
| jaska | (and i have sonera) | 21:52 |
| AStorm | again, 900 MHz is also used in the US | 21:53 |
| AStorm | here they also use 900 MHz in PL | 21:53 |
| AStorm | but UMTS goes on 2100 | 21:54 |
| AStorm | jaska: unlikely, since 900 MHz is GSM, it'd interfere | 21:54 |
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| jaska | astorm: they do have umts on 900... | 21:55 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: and it keeps playing videos while in dashboard | 21:55 |
| etrunko | http://tr.im/xIYY | 21:55 |
| AStorm | weirdness | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hate. You. | 21:55 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: confirming then the compositor is redirecting xv output. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | mm? | 21:57 |
| AStorm | jaska: well, it is possible, but the only reason I can think of is the lack of 2100 MHz licence | 21:57 |
| javispedro | see above link | 21:57 |
| javispedro | Canola uses mplayer which uses xv, and is being redirected. | 21:57 |
| javispedro | (afaik ;) ) | 21:58 |
| AStorm | jaska: anyway, a full HSPA modem will need 850/900/1900/2100 at least (plus the upload bands) | 21:58 |
| lcuk | mplayer default is not xv | 21:58 |
| etrunko | javispedro: actually it is running gstreamer playbin | 21:58 |
| Captain_Picard | We got both 2100 and 900mhz in finland, they build 900mhz where the signal is poor | 21:58 |
| lcuk | i have to use the command line to get it playing in xv | 21:58 |
| etrunko | as mplayer is not available in extras-devel yet | 21:58 |
| lcuk | (tho it might be for certain formats) | 21:58 |
| etrunko | at least it wasn't by the time | 21:58 |
| AStorm | Captain_Picard: yeah, longer range | 21:58 |
| Captain_Picard | yes | 21:58 |
| Captain_Picard | tobad they wont build it everywhere | 21:58 |
| Captain_Picard | 2100 sucks | 21:58 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: the default here is omapfb, but i guess that's not going to work in n900. | 21:58 |
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| javispedro | (at least unmodified) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | mplayer has plenty of backends | 21:59 |
| lcuk | it is such a kitchensink app :) | 21:59 |
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| etrunko | heh | 21:59 |
| javispedro | etrunko, well, asking if it uses the xv gstreamer sink or something else would be too much ;) | 21:59 |
| javispedro | (NDA or the like wise ;) ) | 21:59 |
| etrunko | javispedro: yeah. and i haven't dig that much | 22:00 |
| lcuk | let me find you a technical link | 22:00 |
| etrunko | luckly it just worked | 22:00 |
| javispedro | and since you're using playbin it is probably using openmax codecs already | 22:00 |
| lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg18548.html | 22:00 |
| javispedro | mplayer will not be able to compete with that, I believe. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i asked | 22:01 |
| lcuk | and was told the xv layer was likely composited | 22:01 |
| lcuk | so i get all the goodness of the n900 on my side! | 22:01 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:01 |
| * lcuk smiles also | 22:02 | |
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| wiretapped | http://unucc.org/2009/09/01/un-announces-international-twitter-tribunal/ | 22:08 |
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| Captain_Picard | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwave.google.com%2F&feature=player_embedded | 22:09 |
| jaska | shitter tribunal... where all the judges sit on porcelain altars | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska, doesn't all of the shit come out of the other end on judges? | 22:12 |
| jaska | now it would come out of both ends | 22:13 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: wohey, now the request came through | 22:15 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, maemo-mplayer defaults to omapfb output, regular mplayer would on ARM default to Xv, if libxv-dev was available at compiletime :) | 22:18 |
| ShadowJK | AStorm, the .fi operators recently gained permission to do LTE on 1800Mhz, which is also used by GSM :) | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | Needless to say, .fi operators would love if people all switched to 3G phones, then they could allocate less of 900MHz to GSM and more of it to 3G | 22:20 |
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| ShadowJK | So in .fi we've got GSM on 900+1800, and 3G on 900+2100. 1800 and 2100 is rarely used in rural areas here | 22:21 |
| lcuk | nice ShadowJK thanks | 22:21 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: this means you need an x-band modem for all of these to work | 22:21 |
| AStorm | at least 3 | 22:21 |
| AStorm | add 850 and you have US support | 22:22 |
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| suihkulokki | ShadowJK: It was fun to notice that our summer cottage is now covered with 3G @ 900Mhz | 22:22 |
| AStorm | hehe | 22:22 |
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| ShadowJK | suihkulokki, we don't have a summer cottage, but our relatives do.. there's some edge coverage if you're on the balcony :) | 22:22 |
| aol_ | yes 3G 900 is very cool | 22:22 |
| aol_ | usually with other bands there's never coverage when you need it | 22:23 |
| AStorm | take over that wimax band too ;) | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | It's much better than it used to be. Used to get spotty NMT900 with big external antenna on roof | 22:23 |
| AStorm | hey, here they also go on 2100 and 900 | 22:23 |
| aol_ | I mean I dont desperately *need* 3g in a city | 22:23 |
| aol_ | I need it when I'm middle of nowhere | 22:23 |
| coldboot | Why is SCons 1.1 for Maemo actually processSchema.py? | 22:23 |
| * jaska digs a nmt-450 out of the closet | 22:23 | |
| AStorm | aol_: EDGE should suffice | 22:23 |
| AStorm | do you really need that high transfer rates? | 22:24 |
| aol_ | jaska: put it back, they cancelled the nmt450 network in 2000 | 22:24 |
| suihkulokki | latency is the thing that makes EDGE useless | 22:24 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yet another 'maemo talk' -> http://www.maemomobiletalk.com/ | 22:24 |
| AStorm | true | 22:24 |
| VDVsx | hihhi | 22:24 |
| jaska | aol: so what :) | 22:24 |
| ShadowJK | 3G in the city is funny. When you drive towards the city, a km or so before, when you see one of the transmitters visually, download speed on phone jumps to 200 kbyte/s.. then when you drive by appartment buildings it drops to 50kByte/s.. and when you drive by college or student accomodations, speed drops to 20kbyte/s :) | 22:24 |
| jaska | its from 1984 or so | 22:24 |
| ShadowJK | Wireless is a shared resource :/ | 22:24 |
| zerojay | So i probably shouldn't name the podcast maemo talk, eh? ;) | 22:25 |
| aol_ | ShadowJK: hahah | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | I think I'd like to have 3G at work. While edge is sufficient most of the time for streaming music, it takes along time for it to "catch up" if you accidentally cover the phone in your pocket with your arm or similar :) | 22:25 |
| aol_ | somehow my mobbler does not work when I drop to edge | 22:26 |
| aol_ | last.fm client that is | 22:26 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: here, I get that 3,6 Mbit all the time | 22:26 |
| jaska | emomobiletalk? | 22:26 |
| ShadowJK | I just use the "Internet Radio" application on my s60 device | 22:27 |
| AStorm | but it's PL, everyone uses wifi and hard lines | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | no hard line available where I live :( | 22:27 |
| AStorm | exactly | 22:27 |
| aol_ | unabomber? | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | Though we (the community here) are building fibreoptic network, it wont be ready until next year or year after | 22:27 |
| AStorm | only there they use GPRS/UMTS | 22:27 |
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| VDVsx | FYI: Yet another 'hands-on' video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-BF0Gs0_E | 22:28 |
| ShadowJK | theregister complained about text output and input :) | 22:29 |
| AStorm | what lol | 22:29 |
| AStorm | can they *not* complain about anything short of full keyboard? | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wouldn't take that "review" seriously when he thinks typing on an iPhone is better. | 22:30 |
| AStorm | true, he just got used to the iPawn | 22:30 |
| ShadowJK | They complained that double-tap zoom doesn't automatically adjust to text columns, and that the keyboard is still insufficient, but so is everyone else's keyboard | 22:30 |
| AStorm | true, insufficient is better than none | 22:31 |
| AStorm | a good keyboard would be that Stowaway BT stuff | 22:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh, a guy at work who's a bit of a linux person.. I told him about N900, and he said he had heard of it and seen it, but that it's way too small for him. | 22:31 |
| ShadowJK | I thought that was funny when everyone complains it's too big :P | 22:32 |
| AStorm | heh | 22:32 |
| AStorm | it's thick, not big | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | I have a BT keyboard, not that convenient really :/ | 22:32 |
| AStorm | really? | 22:32 |
| AStorm | why/ | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | You have to find somewhere to ptu them down | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | preferably a tablet | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | table* | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | With just the tablet, you can use it with your hands | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | but you can't use tablet and keyboard like that | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | duct tape | 22:34 |
| AStorm | well, why not? | 22:35 |
| AStorm | have to hold the keyboard to not let it fall? | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, . . . | 22:36 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, and also use a stolen background image from the official Maemo website ;) | 22:38 |
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| user_ | Hi again ! | 22:39 |
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| * javispedro shudders at the idea that all those maemo talk sites are going to get an n900 before him. | 22:39 | |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know how i can identify sudden reboot of my n819 | 22:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | n810 ? | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: instead of stealing N900s, do you want to make Yet-Another-N900-blog and have Nokia give us two N900s? I can't see how this plan would fail... | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, not totally thrilled with the fact that a random blogger who pissed all over Maemo a year ago then came back to spout off a bunch of idiocy gets to hold one before the good people here do. | 22:41 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, I put the hosting, you put the content :) | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | worksforme :p | 22:42 |
| wazd_ | guys, can you mess my blog design with dirt please? :) | 22:42 |
| javispedro | we can get one of those screenshots and let the first post "flow" from it: "this screen shows maemo 5 is shiny. but from this screenshot I also see that typing on it is definitely going to be hard than on the iPhone." | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Why Maemo owns, fucks your mother, and kicks-ass" | 22:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mom? ;_; | 22:43 |
| wazd_ | well, no, not now :) | 22:43 |
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| xnt14 | qwerty12_N810, javispedro, hmm | 22:43 |
| javispedro | I know I did a good job hiring you for the content qwerty12 :) | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 22:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know how i can identify why my n810 suddently reboot without apparent reason ? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810 is already the employee. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good show, javispedro. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | holy shit! screenshot of liqbase running on fremantle!!!! http://liqbase.net/liq.20090625_222814.lib.scr.png | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, it's time to upgrade to an N900. | 22:44 |
| javispedro | lol | 22:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | generalAntilles oh thx to offer me one ! | 22:44 |
| javispedro | the internal timer again :) | 22:44 |
| xnt14 | o.0 adobe uses jquery xD https://www.photoshop.com/?wf=testdrive | 22:44 |
| xnt14 | look at the source | 22:44 |
| xnt14 | although no point if the whole app is in flash | 22:45 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk: well, pretty authenic fremantle shot :D | 22:45 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, try running it in windowed mode ;) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | xnt14, what good would it do | 22:46 |
| lcuk | screenshots only show YUV planes | 22:46 |
| xnt14 | so we could see the fremantle ui + liqbase ;) | 22:47 |
| xnt14 | ok | 22:47 |
| lcuk | you couldnt | 22:47 |
| lcuk | it would just take a screenshot of the windowed size | 22:47 |
| lcuk | ie something like 720*420 | 22:47 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes GeneralAntilles | 22:47 | |
| lcuk | or whatever hildon nicks \@ | 22:47 |
| andre__ | who once was into defining the categories for packages in application-manager? | 22:47 |
| andre__ | comments appreciated at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5055 | 22:47 |
| xnt14 | ;) | 22:48 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: um | 22:48 |
| * andre__ takes a look at h-a-m | 22:48 | |
| xnt14 | liqbase + fremantle + n900 + hardware gfx accel = faster liqbase? | 22:49 |
| * timeless_mbp too | 22:49 | |
| Khertan_n810 | /proc $ cat bootreason | 22:49 |
| lcuk | where would i get hardware accel from? | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | we have "Internet & Networking" | 22:49 |
| lcuk | but thats the assumption im goin under | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea which category it's using | 22:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | sw_rst | 22:49 |
| lcuk | i was told it would work | 22:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | ??? | 22:49 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: in the wiki there's a page on reporting reboot errors | 22:49 |
| xnt14 | the graphics chip in the n900 | 22:49 |
| lcuk | so im just carrying on making my n810 version faster | 22:49 |
| lardman | which says where the various files live | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: "Dropbear SCP" is in it | 22:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx lardman | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | and then when i finally get my grubby mitts on one of those lovely posh looking n900s i will be in good form | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, " | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | Processor and 3D accelerator | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | TI OMAP 3430: ARM Cortex-A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX with OpenGL ES 2.0 support | 22:50 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, yeah, i see that myself right now. ah well, i'm going to check and fix that one | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | " | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i cant make use of gl - thats in use by the compositor i assume | 22:50 |
| AStorm | why not | 22:50 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: np, let me know if you can't find it and I'll dig it out | 22:50 |
| lcuk | but the faster cpu and high bandwidth graphics bus should remove the restrictions liqbase currently has on n810 | 22:50 |
| lcuk | and allow it to be EVEN faster | 22:51 |
| AStorm | opengl is not single-threaded | 22:51 |
| lcuk | fast enough to possibly do new kinds of interactions | 22:51 |
| AStorm | so you can have more than one surface | 22:51 |
| lcuk | AStorm, the chip must be kept pretty busy tho | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | You're 'just' painting each scroll position seperately? | 22:51 |
| lardman | what's wrong with this line of code (Python)?: self.cursor.execute("select * from ?", (sql_table_name,)) | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: | 22:51 |
| AStorm | lcuk: nah | 22:51 |
| lcuk | so gl ops would be degraded at base | 22:51 |
| AStorm | no really, it'd only suck some VRAM | 22:51 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:51 |
| AStorm | and maybe load the z-buffer a bit | 22:51 |
| AStorm | not enough to matter | 22:51 |
| lcuk | instead of coming out onto regular slowbus memory | 22:51 |
| lcuk | and then restricted again | 22:52 |
| lcuk | i bet liqbase is gonna fly | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, do I get to start ending Nokia's yet? | 22:52 |
| * javispedro is actually trying to make ogles emulation do something | 22:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, "Ups, we kinda added this Plug-Ins one unilaterally. Sorry about that, we'll do better next time." | 22:52 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, hummm? | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Nokia's/Nokians/ | 22:54 |
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| * xnt14 installs fremantle | 22:55 | |
| xnt14 | last time, on my 8.10 install, it screwed up apt...... | 22:55 |
| xnt14 | lets see what happens in 9.04 | 22:55 |
| * andre__ wonders whether jeremiah is around | 22:56 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | lardman: hum doesn t find anything interesting | 22:57 |
| lcuk | xnt14 | 22:58 |
| lcuk | the liqbase desktop | 22:58 |
| xnt14 | yes? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | now allows you to select any widgets you like | 22:58 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: hang on a tick | 22:58 |
| lcuk | like i said | 22:58 |
| lcuk | the one thing i said i would put there was an image selection | 22:59 |
| lcuk | to choose your background | 22:59 |
| coldboot | In Scratchbox 1, with SCons 1.1 for Maemo, I can't run `scons --tree=derived`, or any other parameters like `scons -c`, because I get this: "usage: processSchema can be used to generate sync-compatible PDB files"... | 22:59 |
| xnt14 | you mean the green box around the widgets? | 22:59 |
| coldboot | What's up with that? | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | xnt | 22:59 |
| xnt14 | yes? | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | open the desktop, and just type "flow" | 22:59 |
| xnt14 | ok hold on a sec | 22:59 |
| lcuk | then zoom into what you see | 22:59 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 22:59 |
| xnt14 | me grabs his nit | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: 'which scons' | 22:59 |
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| xnt14 | ok done | 23:00 |
| coldboot | $ file $(which scons) => /scratchbox/tools/bin/scons: a python script text executable | 23:00 |
| xnt14 | im zoomed in | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | what is it | 23:00 |
| xnt14 | a bunch of dots | 23:00 |
| lcuk | ok | 23:00 |
| lcuk | draw a circle | 23:00 |
| xnt14 | which react to my touch | 23:00 |
| lcuk | then tell me what happens | 23:00 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Upon editing the file, it looks like SCons. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: scratchbox is redirecting your scons to a crap version | 23:01 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: How do I fix that? | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | $sbox_redirect_ignore | 23:01 |
| xnt14 | the dot's color changes, and now they are spiraling around | 23:01 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Set that to 1? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | xnt, draw an inward spiral | 23:01 |
| xnt14 | ok | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/scons | 23:02 |
| lcuk | just a big @ lol | 23:02 |
| xnt14 | lol | 23:02 |
| xnt14 | ok done | 23:02 |
| lcuk | ok, what did the dots do | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I usually reexport PATH to have /usr/bin first because I'm lazy that way | 23:02 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Doesn't work. | 23:02 |
| xnt14 | the dots are disappearing | 23:02 |
| lcuk | down the plughole | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | like a spiral galaxy | 23:02 |
| coldboot | Why doesn't scratchbox just not do that? | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | yup | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | xnt14, clear it again | 23:03 |
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| xnt14 | ok | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | done | 23:03 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: putting /usr/bin before the rest of $PATH also doesn't work. | 23:03 |
| lcuk | now, what are the dots doing | 23:03 |
| * wiretapped likes that the not-yet-on-DVD star trek movie is seen playing in official N900 photos | 23:03 | |
| xnt14 | just standing there | 23:03 |
| wiretapped | http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/09/02/n900_6.jpg | 23:03 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: And you have scons in /usr/bin? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | xnt14, is the device flat on the table? | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | yes | 23:04 |
| lardman | wiretapped: sure it's not the trailer? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | pick it up | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | wirelessdreamer, and in one of the videos out of nokia, you can see it's pirated :) | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | ok done | 23:04 |
| wiretapped | yeah, it appears to be 43 minutes in to it :) | 23:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | /usr/bin/hildon-input-method : 1 | 23:04 |
| lcuk | what happened to the dots | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | it starts with the green "for preview" message :) | 23:04 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Actually, no. | 23:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | /usr/bin/bme_RX-44 : 45 * | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | nothinh happened | 23:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | what does it means ? | 23:05 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, btw I have my camera | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | how many times they've been restarted | 23:05 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: I installed scons for Maemo 1.1, should I just apt-get install it from within scratchbox? | 23:05 |
| xnt14 | *camcorder | 23:05 |
| lcuk | heh xnt14 | 23:05 |
| lcuk | take a movie | 23:05 |
| xnt14 | ok ;) | 23:05 |
| wazd_ | wiretapped: they have Transmission in their promo video, what do you want :D | 23:05 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: Whatever gets you an updated scons installed in /usr/bin. | 23:05 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: It's not in the apt-repository, should it be in some apt-repository for maemo? | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | wazd_, it's perfectly reasonable really, nokia music shop (or is it ovi music shop now?) doesn't have DRM-free mp3 yet, and no movies at all :) | 23:06 |
| wiretapped | wazd_: i missed that, which promo is that? | 23:07 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Why is there a shitty SCons 1.1 for Maemo, anyway? | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: doesn't appear to be in any repo. Maybe you'll need to build your own. | 23:07 |
| coldboot | qwerty12_N810: It's a tarball of python, easy. | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: because it's scratchbox? :) | 23:08 |
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| lbt | any UML design people here? could look over a class diagram for me? | 23:09 |
| coldboot | I bet developing for Android or iPhone doesn't suck nearly as much as this. | 23:09 |
| coldboot | I'm losing my mind. | 23:09 |
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| ShadowJK | Jaffa, I don't believe you could charge while using USB Host mode. Atleast on my E75, it wont accept power on USB without negotiation with a host, OR if the data pins are shorted. In host mode it can't ask for power from the other device, and if you short the data pins, usb would obviously not work anymore. The negotiation and shorting of data pins is in some standards document, iirc. So I think the answer to that Q&A about where power would come from i | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | n "extended host-mode" is "battery" :) | 23:11 |
| xnt14 | ok im done taking the video ;) | 23:12 |
| VDVsx | Khertan_n810, normally that issue happens when you have your SO partition full | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 23:12 |
| lcuk | coldboot, | 23:12 |
| lcuk | what are you trying to develop | 23:12 |
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| Khertan | lardman: i understand now that it s happen only when charging | 23:13 |
| Khertan | VDVsx: this is not the case here | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | shorting data pins is a recent extension to say 'I'm a charger' | 23:14 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 23:15 |
| * xnt14 wonders how the heck do I export video from this camera :P | 23:15 | |
| Khertan | coldboot: for iphone it doesn't suck ... you need a mac first ! with osx ... :) | 23:16 |
| Khertan | arg ... happens around 1 min after connecting the charger | 23:16 |
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| Khertan | seems to be something related with the charger/hardware power on my n810/ or the battery itself | 23:17 |
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| AStorm | Khertan: what did you break? | 23:18 |
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| xnt14 | ah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Software | 23:20 |
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| coldboot | lcuk: I'm working on an educational assessment program at a crappy company. | 23:24 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Using scratchbox 2 turned out to be a total mistake, as it barely works. And scratchbox1 is awkward. | 23:24 |
| coldboot | All of those nice finishing touches someone should be putting on software to make it usable are missing from scratchbox 1 and 2. | 23:24 |
| Khertan | [22:18] <AStorm> Khertan: what did you break? < don't know yet ... surely the nit | 23:25 |
| coldboot | Khertan: Well, that part sucks. | 23:25 |
| AStorm | coldboot: hmmh, maybe use a full qemu | 23:26 |
| AStorm | could be fast enough | 23:26 |
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| * lbt glances at his accelerated qemu on OBS and grins | 23:27 | |
| Khertan | ok this is not the charger | 23:28 |
| Khertan | do the same things with the second one | 23:28 |
| Khertan | snifff .... :( | 23:28 |
| Khertan | reboot every minutes | 23:29 |
| Khertan | while charging | 23:29 |
| Khertan | result in a not fully charged battery | 23:29 |
| Khertan | :( | 23:29 |
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| AStorm | the battery could be dead | 23:31 |
| AStorm | I had that problem too with a dead battery | 23:31 |
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| AStorm | check the voltage | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | lshal|grep battery | 23:32 |
| Khertan | AStorm: yep it could be that | 23:33 |
| AStorm | look for signs of bulging too | 23:33 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK: hum many informations | 23:33 |
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| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/m70d52100 | 23:34 |
| Khertan | what should i look for ? | 23:35 |
| AStorm | wtf | 23:35 |
| AStorm | last_full = 0? | 23:35 |
| AStorm | other than that, looks fully charged | 23:36 |
| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/m10b8ed9a <<< and when charged | 23:36 |
| Khertan | s/charged/charging | 23:36 |
| Khertan | AStorm: yep but isn't | 23:36 |
| AStorm | maybe the gauge died on you | 23:37 |
| Khertan | why does the current voltage is lower when charging ? | 23:37 |
| Khertan | # battery.voltage.current = 3909 (0xf45) (int) # battery.voltage.design = 4200 (0x1068) (int | 23:38 |
| AStorm | because it's current-limited phase now | 23:38 |
| AStorm | low voltage charging, high current | 23:38 |
| Khertan | ok | 23:39 |
| AStorm | seems like it's fully charged anyway | 23:39 |
| AStorm | (or very close) | 23:39 |
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| xnt14 | brb | 23:40 |
| Khertan | i ve updated with an other one http://pastebin.com/m3795de3b | 23:40 |
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| ShadowJK | I forgot, the values are not automatically updated. Tap the battery icon before lshal|grep battery | 23:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 23:41 |
| AStorm | ;p | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | And they are not updated at all while charging | 23:41 |
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| AStorm | hehehe | 23:41 |
| zacky | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/firefox-mobile-on-nokia-n900-first-screenshots-631189 | 23:41 |
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| ShadowJK | The battery looks very full | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | as full as it can go | 23:42 |
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| Khertan | ok | 23:43 |
| Khertan | so the reason is why does it s reboot so | 23:43 |
| Khertan | didn't understand | 23:43 |
| Khertan | but occurs only while charging | 23:43 |
| AStorm | a hang, hmmh | 23:44 |
| AStorm | I've seen that before, again, and it might've blown up my battery too ;p | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | <Khertan_n810> /usr/bin/bme_RX-44 : 45 * | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | Does the value increase? | 23:44 |
| Khertan | and the battery icon status bar applet still show charging | 23:44 |
| Khertan | hum ... sorry for the delay ... two reboot occurs | 23:49 |
| Khertan | it s now 54 | 23:49 |
| Khertan | it s now 54 * to be exact | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | So it would seem the battery management entity program is crashing :/ | 23:49 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/spontaneous_reboot_while_charging/ <<< no real solution here | 23:50 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK: does this program entity is something software or hardware ? | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | software | 23:51 |
| Khertan | as if it s just software a flash could maybe solve this issue | 23:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Of course, it might be crashing because the hardware is telling it things that don't make sense | 23:51 |
| Khertan | yes of course | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | got warranty left? :/ | 23:51 |
| Khertan | but a flash will not hurt | 23:51 |
| Khertan | [22:51] <ShadowJK> got warranty left? :/ < yep | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | nice :) | 23:52 |
| Khertan | i mean is not under warranty anymore | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | oh :( | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | it's two years in europe | 23:52 |
| Khertan | i ve already send it for the same reason 6 months after buying it to nokia | 23:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 23:52 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK: yep ... but ... hum you make me doubt | 23:53 |
| Khertan | hum ... yes ... i "bought" it in march/april 2008 ... | 23:54 |
| Khertan | so it should be ok | 23:54 |
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| Khertan | ouch ... price was 506Euros of the n810 | 23:56 |
| Khertan | and it was 14-01-2008 | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | I think I bought it at 440 in june 2008 :) | 23:56 |
| AStorm | I bought mine for ~400 Euro | 23:57 |
| AStorm | also 2008 somewhen | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | grrr | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I can't get my N810 screen clean | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | there's always something left in the corner | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | under the bezel | 23:57 |
| AStorm | mine has a bad scratch in the middle now | 23:58 |
| RST38h | use the protective film folks | 23:58 |
| AStorm | I couldn't find a transparent, right one | 23:58 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Corners can be cleaned with a soft toothbrush too =) | 23:58 |
| Khertan | ok ... i ll go to bed and maybe send my nit :) | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | My N800 has protective film, and it works worse than my n810 lol | 23:58 |
| Khertan | bye | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | and it looks* | 23:59 |
| Khertan | and really thanks for the help | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | What did they say the last time you sent it in for the same reason? | 23:59 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: try a cotton pick | 23:59 |
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