| coldboot | Yeah I think gitorious is messed up right now. | 00:09 |
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| Macer | wtf | 00:11 |
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| neatojones | hello everyone | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo neatojones | 00:36 |
| neatojones | Hello Stskeeps | 00:37 |
| neatojones | how is it going. | 00:37 |
| neatojones | Tried Mer 0.15testing9 yesterday. | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | fine fine.. going to the municipality to start the wedding process, tomorrow :P | 00:37 |
| neatojones | Looked good. Only problem I had was my touchscreen was WAY off. | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | how is it? i hope we've improved some things :P | 00:37 |
| neatojones | Sorry to hear that :P | 00:38 |
| neatojones | (about the wedding) | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's good :) | 00:38 |
| neatojones | it's good times, actually. | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | Xomap really helps things :P | 00:39 |
| neatojones | I remember trying it out a few months ago. | 00:42 |
| neatojones | Had a few problems back then...though I don't remember what they were. | 00:42 |
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| rkirti | acpi -t --> 98 C | 00:50 |
| rkirti | :-/ | 00:50 |
| johnsq | boil some water | 00:50 |
| coldboot | qt.gitorious is messed up. | 00:51 |
| lbt | you borked it? | 00:51 |
| coldboot | I don't think so. | 00:52 |
| lbt | it won't build for me | 00:52 |
| rkirti | ~lart amd-compaq combination for love of heat | 00:52 |
| * infobot sends a legion of lawyers after amd-compaq combination's head for love of heat | 00:52 | |
| lbt | patches in debian/patches won't apply | 00:52 |
| coldboot | lbt: I actually meant it's messed up such that I can't push to my fork of qt-maemo. | 00:53 |
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| neatojones | Does anyone know if flashing the tablet with the .bin files of Maemo should completely restore the original kernel and settings? | 01:04 |
| johnsq | neatojones: yes. | 01:06 |
| neatojones | dang... | 01:07 |
| neatojones | I changed some setting of ts_calibration and the touch screen quit working. | 01:07 |
| neatojones | I reflashed and still no touch screen. | 01:07 |
| neatojones | ...oops. | 01:07 |
| johnsq | neatojones: setting are secial area, look what the flasher says. | 01:08 |
| neatojones | you mean those settings are in a different area? | 01:08 |
| neatojones | I used the windows flasher. It didn't say. | 01:08 |
| johnsq | neatojones: iirc yes | 01:08 |
| neatojones | Hmmm....now that I reflashed, I just have to figure out how to get back to a terminal | 01:09 |
| neatojones | since my newly flashed maemo has no ssh setup. | 01:09 |
| neatojones | Is there a key combo that can bring up the menu? | 01:09 |
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| neatojones | I prefer to use linux to flash, but my linux computer is down at the moment. | 01:10 |
| neatojones | maybe a kernel flash using linux would fix it? | 01:11 |
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| johnsq | neatojones: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access for ssh, sorry I don't know, perhaps somebody else can help | 01:12 |
| neatojones | thanks for your help johnsq | 01:12 |
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| coldboot | Okay Gitorious is now unbroken. | 01:49 |
| Macer | damn comcast | 01:49 |
| coldboot | This is my attempt at creating a proxy for hildon messages: http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/commit/221ccad2867d9cd0e57b7517acaf69012c0abea9?diffmode=sidebyside | 01:49 |
| Macer | heh | 01:49 |
| Macer | i didn't even notice my reverse dns was screwed u | 01:49 |
| Macer | up | 01:49 |
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| Macer | i totally forgot about it when i changed my ip | 01:50 |
| lbt | coldboot: cool | 01:52 |
| lbt | will look in the am | 01:52 |
| lbt | popped in to say 'night | 01:53 |
| lbt | nb : http://www.laut.fm/abstrait <- nice music for coding | 01:53 |
| toggles_w | lbt: more coding, less listening | 01:56 |
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| esaym153 | rofl | 02:02 |
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| esaym153 | I want a n810 | 02:03 |
| Electric_Poison | last.fm doesnt work at all on my n810 | 02:03 |
| esaym153 | not sure if I should get one though | 02:03 |
| esaym153 | whois esaym153 | 02:04 |
| Electric_Poison | canloas plugin cant use last fm, always getting some network | 02:04 |
| Electric_Poison | error | 02:04 |
| Electric_Poison | the player doesnt load in the browser | 02:04 |
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| AStorm | hey people | 03:15 |
| AStorm | is the n8x0 4-pole jack wired like HDB-5 handsfree? | 03:16 |
| AStorm | (if so, I'll have a hell of a time converting the iphone jack to it) | 03:16 |
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| AStorm | nah, can't | 03:18 |
| AStorm | that one is mono | 03:18 |
| AStorm | hmm | 03:18 |
| AStorm | does anyone have the pinout of this jack? | 03:18 |
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| AStorm | I'm asking because I don't feel like destroying the included phones | 03:20 |
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| AStorm | I know they do some weird thing with ground too (audible if connected to standard 3-pole 3.5mm)) | 03:25 |
| AStorm | (either that, or my laptop jack is actually 4-pole, iPhone kind - kind of unexpected) | 03:26 |
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| Shadow_M | my n810 is able to browse the web but all my other computers can not is there a reason to this | 03:36 |
| Shadow_M | i am having major problems with comcast | 03:36 |
| Shadow_M | every computer other than the n810 gets pointed to comcasts activation page | 03:37 |
| Shadow_M | excet for this | 03:37 |
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| AStorm | Shadow_M, probably your ISP does mac locking o something | 03:46 |
| AStorm | or your router sends incorrect gateway info | 03:46 |
| Shadow_M | and the n810 works? | 03:47 |
| jaska | or they sniff browser? | 03:47 |
| jaska | and see n810s weirdo useragent and bail out?:) | 03:47 |
| AStorm | haha | 03:48 |
| AStorm | btw, the n810 phones should have "designed for stupid party EQ" sticker | 03:48 |
| AStorm | some idiot balanced them with DSG on I guess | 03:48 |
| AStorm | or other SRS | 03:48 |
| AStorm | thus they're extremely dim by default and unusable | 03:51 |
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| n6pfkk | AStorm: Tip is mic, the right/left the ground. | 03:53 |
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| n6pfkk | The == then. | 03:54 |
| AStorm | intriguing - and mic is enabled by shorting its ground to main ground? | 03:55 |
| n6pfkk | I believe so. | 03:55 |
| n6pfkk | Only four connections. | 03:56 |
| n6pfkk | Standard stereo jack should work for earphones. | 03:56 |
| Luke-Jr | ikelos: good morning! | 03:57 |
| AStorm | n6pfkk, it does, though obviously it's incompatible with iPhone jack | 03:58 |
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| AStorm | which is nowadays more common | 03:58 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:05 |
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| AStorm | it just happens that I have one both in my phone and laptop | 04:09 |
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| esaym153 | where is a good place to buy the n810? | 04:24 |
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| AStorm | esaym153, where it's available ;> | 04:40 |
| esaym153 | AStorm: I am thinking about nokia.com but it is like $260 with shipping and tax | 04:41 |
| esaym153 | seems like they were only $200 a last month... | 04:41 |
| AStorm | should be around in some other shops | 04:45 |
| AStorm | nokia one isn't the cheapest - and I guess n810 is being slowly phased out | 04:45 |
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| esaym153 | where can I find the source code for the clock in os2008? | 04:50 |
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| esaym153 | n/m | 04:52 |
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| ameng | how to use git checkout qemu-omap3 from https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu | 04:57 |
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| ameng | Pls help, I cannot git clone git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu | 05:09 |
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| AStorm | I guess it's a wrong url | 05:12 |
| ameng | Then how can i checkout maemo qemu ? i followed this page :https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=877 | 05:13 |
| AStorm | what kind of error do you get? | 05:14 |
| ameng | while I do git clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu, it works ,but after i get about 140M bytes , it hangs up. | 05:16 |
| AStorm | it does not, actually | 05:16 |
| ameng | i have tried several times , its same as that | 05:17 |
| AStorm | hmm | 05:17 |
| AStorm | might be that the server has a transfer timeout | 05:17 |
| ameng | but it hang up for a long time , say the whole night | 05:17 |
| AStorm | yeah, that would mess up initial checkouts | 05:17 |
| AStorm | if you don't need the full history, try --depth=<needed depth in commits> | 05:18 |
| AStorm | e.g. --depth=1 | 05:18 |
| ameng | no , every time i clean up the whole qemu dir | 05:18 |
| AStorm | ... | 05:18 |
| AStorm | I mean, clone with that option | 05:19 |
| AStorm | it will try to download least amount of commits necessary | 05:19 |
| ameng | so i can get the stuff i want? | 05:19 |
| AStorm | to satisfy the history depth | 05:19 |
| AStorm | I think yes, and you can deepen it later too | 05:20 |
| ameng | I'll try | 05:21 |
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| AStorm | still, it's either your connection or maemo server setup bug ;> | 05:21 |
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| b-man16 | hello | 05:21 |
| AStorm | also, try git:// protocol | 05:21 |
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| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 05:21 |
| AStorm | not sure if it's available, but best to try | 05:21 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@ool-44c1c456.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 6h 8m 57s ago, saying: 'oh :P'. | 05:21 |
| AStorm | git+https | 05:22 |
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| b-man16 | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10286308-56.html | 05:58 |
| b-man16 | F*CK WINDOWS >:( | 05:58 |
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| esaym153 | b-man16: Jesus loves you | 06:03 |
| b-man16 | xD | 06:03 |
| esaym153 | heh | 06:03 |
| esaym153 | b-man16: sell me your n810 | 06:04 |
| b-man16 | i have an n800, and no xD | 06:04 |
| esaym153 | dang :( | 06:05 |
| b-man16 | i'm shure you can find one for under $200 ;) | 06:06 |
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| sarower | Rubon: Hello rubon | 06:46 |
| Rubon | hi Sarower | 06:46 |
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| sarower | There is a convention ... when give message for a specific person then type the Name first. like "sarower: hi Sarower" | 06:47 |
| sarower | Rubon: It is for you | 06:48 |
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| Rubon | sarower: thanks for your information | 06:49 |
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| Rubon | is there anyone who used 3D library(either openGL/Clutter) for Maemo? | 07:00 |
| * b-man16 sleeps, g'night all | 07:04 | |
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| stelleg | anyone know why newer busybox doesn't work in initfs, or why making a really simple initfs makes the kernel unable to find the linuxrc file? | 07:15 |
| Macer | awesome | 07:29 |
| Macer | g1 wifi adhoc tethering just got wep encryption heh | 07:29 |
| Macer | i mean it's only wep but whatever | 07:29 |
| Macer | it's better than what it was using before | 07:30 |
| Macer | pluss it has mac access control too so even if someone did break the key then at least they still wouldn't be able to use it | 07:30 |
| EdLin | Macer: MAC access control can be both sniffed and spoofed, it's worthless from a security standpoint; and if they're already hacking your WEP they probably are hacking it too. | 07:34 |
| Macer | lol | 07:35 |
| Macer | well.. yeah i suppose so but i mean seriously | 07:36 |
| Macer | what's the point? :) | 07:36 |
| EdLin | Macer: on consumer equipment, WPA with a strong password is good. | 07:36 |
| Macer | to be l33t and access the wifi phone that you can tether to while passing on the highway? | 07:36 |
| Macer | haha | 07:36 |
| EdLin | Macer: yeah, an AP with an android isn't much of a target. | 07:36 |
| Macer | i'd hope not :) | 07:36 |
| Macer | plus anybody who really has the time and knowledge to do something like that would be very far and few | 07:37 |
| Macer | it would take a while of sniffing the wep to crack the passphrase.. then finding a proper mac address.. etc | 07:37 |
| EdLin | the WEP would be enough to keep the automatic scanning of an ordinary laptop out I guess. | 07:37 |
| ShadowJK | plus surely adhoc mode eats so much power that it'll run out of battery after just a few hundred thousand spam mails anyway | 07:37 |
| EdLin | Macer: it takes less than a minute to crack WEP | 07:37 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yuyp haha | 07:37 |
| Macer | EdLin: wow.. really? that bad huh? :) | 07:37 |
| Macer | i thought it would at least buy 30mins to an hour | 07:38 |
| EdLin | Macer: it is that bad now | 07:38 |
| Macer | haha | 07:38 |
| EdLin | Macer: used to be much longer. | 07:38 |
| Macer | wow that's horrible | 07:38 |
| Macer | i mean i use wpa2 at the house on the router | 07:38 |
| Macer | but i didn't think wep was THAT bad | 07:38 |
| EdLin | WPA2 can be cracked too, if you have a weak password. | 07:38 |
| EdLin | 13 characters that are random is what's recommended under current security threats. | 07:39 |
| EdLin | for WPA, they can let something crack it even when there's no signal, WEP at least they need to have a signal, though now that it's less than 60 seconds instead of an hour that's accademic. | 07:39 |
| EdLin | OpenWRT has a good random password generator, BTW. :-) | 07:41 |
| Macer | lol | 07:44 |
| Macer | i think my pw is rather random at the house ;) | 07:44 |
| Macer | i always though wpa blocks random requests in such a manner that it is cycled when a brute force is detected | 07:45 |
| Macer | although i haven't read up on mit much | 07:45 |
| Macer | it | 07:45 |
| Macer | either way it goes. the wifi tethering used to not have any encryption at all only mac access | 07:46 |
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| Macer | so projgress is progress heh | 07:46 |
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| sarower | hello all, I want to use something like OpenGL or Clutter or any other to implement 3D effect in maemo 5. What kind of support there are. Is there any help? | 08:00 |
| sarower | Any body? please! | 08:00 |
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| Rubon | sarower: I also want to use 3D effect in Maemo 5. It seems Maemo have openGL support for ARMEL, but not for X86. I need to know how can I use openGL or Clutter in X86. | 08:04 |
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| sarower | Rubon: Mone hosse salara sob vodai... kisui janena | 08:06 |
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| Macer | sure hope my vaporbook has vpn | 08:31 |
| Macer | in its "revolutionary 3d operatoring system" | 08:31 |
| Macer | heh.. the batter life would be awesome though if it's true | 08:31 |
| Macer | 10+ hours | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | Macer: What is 3d about the OS? | 08:42 |
| RST38h | it has got a revolutionary 3d filesystem? =) | 08:42 |
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| supermaz | Hi! Is anyone running pidgin 2.5.5 on maemo with ICQ? Because since a few hours I don't get a buddy list | 08:50 |
| supermaz | has ICQ changed the protocol again? | 08:50 |
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| Macer | RST38h: haha | 09:09 |
| Macer | 4d | 09:09 |
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| Macer | RST38h: i don't know.. that is what they call it | 09:10 |
| Macer | a revolutionary os :) | 09:10 |
| Macer | at least they didn't call it eXtreme (capital X) | 09:10 |
| Corsac | which one? | 09:17 |
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| EdLin | supermaz: who still uses ICQ?! | 09:27 |
| tank-man | too many forms of communication | 09:28 |
| EdLin | tank-man: yeah, I had to sign on MSN for someone who insisted on using it. Pissed me off. | 09:29 |
| tank-man | email, usenet, and irc | 09:29 |
| tank-man | keep it simple | 09:29 |
| EdLin | you got it | 09:30 |
| tank-man | you get your choice of program too | 09:30 |
| EdLin | I thought that gopher would beat WWW, it looked so much better on a terminal screen. | 09:30 |
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| EdLin | who needed pictures anyway? Only porn hounds need GIFs. | 09:31 |
| EdLin | now of course, we have HTML browsers as code execution platforms. Some people want to make browsers into frigging OSs. | 09:32 |
| EdLin | "Hey, Joe Intel, what would be a good way to sell hardware and antivirus programs for Linux? Jack Google: I got it, let's make an OS that runs interpretive javascript!" | 09:33 |
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| * EdLin goes back to looking at ascii porn. | 09:35 | |
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| Macer | hm | 10:04 |
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| Macer | EdLin: haha | 10:05 |
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| Macer | EdLin: that is the path things were taking anyways ;) | 10:05 |
| EdLin | Macer: WWW is like emacs. Every application eventually gets a web browser. | 10:06 |
| Macer | i sure wish i could remember the book about cloud computing where the individual computers would disappear and would regress into terminals again ;) | 10:06 |
| Macer | haha | 10:06 |
| Macer | EdLin: i like my zimbra server ;) | 10:06 |
| EdLin | sounds like a good one. I could use a VT100 | 10:06 |
| Macer | EdLin: haha | 10:06 |
| Macer | everything will be netbooting soon | 10:07 |
| Macer | no need for hard drives | 10:07 |
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| Macer | google shall store all | 10:07 |
| EdLin | google shall know all - everything you do | 10:07 |
| EdLin | fixed it for you | 10:07 |
| EdLin | I hope you block google analytics. | 10:07 |
| Macer | lol | 10:08 |
| Macer | yeah... i agree with that situation | 10:08 |
| Macer | but you really can't judge their vaporOS yet | 10:08 |
| Macer | not until there are pre pre pre betas being "leaked" | 10:08 |
| Macer | so you can see what it is really all about.. you never know.. it might actually be good | 10:08 |
| EdLin | and people who use google voice are even stupider, a data mining company finding out everyone I call, with half their engineers being old NSA employees? | 10:08 |
| Macer | lol | 10:09 |
| Macer | EdLin: most people aren't targets of the nsa ;) | 10:09 |
| Macer | and don't have that sort of paranoidism | 10:09 |
| EdLin | Macer: that's the way of thinking that leads to a police state. "I have nothing to hide. I have no skeletons in *my* closet" | 10:09 |
| Macer | EdLin: hahaha | 10:09 |
| Macer | if the star wars movies were real life... | 10:10 |
| Macer | the dark side would have won | 10:10 |
| EdLin | I just finished talking to someone about that in another channel | 10:10 |
| Macer | end of story | 10:10 |
| Macer | :) | 10:10 |
| EdLin | "Evil always wins, because good is dumb" | 10:10 |
| EdLin | - Spaceballs | 10:10 |
| Macer | no | 10:10 |
| Macer | evil always wins because good is good ;) | 10:10 |
| Macer | and is unwilling to do evil | 10:11 |
| Macer | until it is required | 10:11 |
| Macer | which is usually too late | 10:11 |
| Macer | bbl | 10:11 |
| EdLin | most people who are good don't say "I am not evil" the MMPI calls the biggest liars the people who say "I don't lie" | 10:11 |
| EdLin | google says I | 10:11 |
| EdLin | "'m not evil | 10:11 |
| EdLin | oops | 10:11 |
| EdLin | that's why I don't trust them | 10:12 |
| ikelos | Luke-Jr: Morning! You caught me just as I was going in the middle of the night... 5;) | 10:12 |
| rmt | Comment from the Tear developer: "Looks like the AppCache option was incorrectly listed as default yes, so the latest maemo libwebkit has full AppCache support (at least the Calendar demo works:)). I didn't upload this libwebkit build yet, because its API changed (due to previous Titanium patches) and I need to post a newer Tear as well. Just to let you know." | 10:12 |
| rmt | AppCache support coming soon to a tablet near you! :) | 10:13 |
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| RST38h | Ho ho ho | 10:21 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | If anyone sees X-Fade, poke him about the bugs.maemo.org SSL cert expiring at 16/07/2009 00:59, so now Firefox 3 won't render Bugzilla without a security exception being added (which is pretty bad) | 10:55 |
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| danielwilms | Jaffa...he is working on that | 10:55 |
| danielwilms | we had a small vacations-responsibility issue here, so we weren't completely in time :) | 10:56 |
| danielwilms | but will be solved soon | 10:56 |
| danielwilms | certs are there, signed and on the way to be in place ;) | 10:57 |
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| andre__ | danielwilms, ah, good to know. already sent tero an email about it earlier this morning :) | 11:04 |
| danielwilms | andre__: ok...he is on vacations the next two weeks ;) so put me on cc next time ;) | 11:07 |
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| danielwilms | one of us is always here ;) | 11:07 |
| andre__ | ah. also good to know :) | 11:07 |
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| danielwilms | andre__, Jaffa: cert is in place ;) | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | danielwilms: thanks | 11:09 |
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| andre__ | cool | 11:10 |
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| xci | hey guys, is it possible to make an install file so that it does not require repo, but instead installs from a local .deb-file for instance? | 11:32 |
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| johnx | in that case just use the .deb directly | 11:33 |
| xci | yeah I know but if I just want to make the install file too :/ | 11:34 |
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| Macer | hi | 11:35 |
| Macer | that new nokia tablet come out yet? | 11:35 |
| * Macer grins | 11:35 | |
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| Jaffa | johnx: although not in fremantle :-/ | 11:36 |
| johnx | really? | 11:36 |
| johnx | huh | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | Macer: Increasingly frequent and interesting leaks and slip-ups | 11:36 |
| johnx | well, I guess a port of gdebi is in order | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | johnx: App Mgr's had "install from file" removed. | 11:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "The Nokia Way" strikes again. If it doesn't work properly, remove it. | 11:38 |
| johnx | like I said: gdebi :) | 11:38 |
| johnx | no menu, and one big button, so no need to really hildonify it | 11:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | johnx: I've ran it in Diablo, speed kinda sucked :\ | 11:39 |
| johnx | interesting | 11:39 |
| johnx | wonder if it's a RAM thing or just a lot of I/O | 11:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's in Python :) | 11:40 |
| johnx | say no more :) | 11:40 |
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| rkirti | ~curse broken gdk loaders | 11:44 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, broken gdk loaders ! | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx, qwerty | 11:45 |
| johnx | mornin' RST38h | 11:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hey RST38h | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Wait, does it mean Fremantle won't let me install .debs from App Manager? | 11:45 |
| andre__ | RST38h, you will need to use dpkg for installation from a local file | 11:47 |
| johnx | or wait til some dude on the internet packages up gdebi for you | 11:47 |
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| RST38h | andre: Ah shit. | 11:47 |
| RST38h | andre: Is Nokia removing xterm as well, just in case? | 11:48 |
| andre__ | nope. | 11:48 |
| johnx | I mean, it kinda makes sense | 11:49 |
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| johnx | it would be nice if everyone would just man-up and get things in extras or at least *some* repo | 11:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: Did I tell you a story about a Soviet supermarket? | 11:49 |
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| johnx | they removed support for directly installing .debs? | 11:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: No, but it is kinda similar | 11:50 |
| johnx | sooo, no rpms? forced people to use yum? or zypper? I can see the ideological differences between the west and the east much more clearly now | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Anyway, to buy something (let us say, a tomato), you had to go to a counter with tomatoes and ask the girl there for a tomato. She would give you a piece of paper. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: With that piece of paper you had to go to the cash register and pay. The cash register girl would give you another piece of paper. | 11:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | There's also a ban on "=" deps due to Application Manager not actually being able to tell what the difference is between a package made by Nokia, and a 3rd-party package | 11:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: With that second piece of paper you had to go back to the peoduce counter and exchange it for a tomato, but only after the first girl made a record in a huge book | 11:52 |
| RST38h | s/peoduce/produce | 11:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, nah, you're just describing how Fry's works :P | 11:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah well, Fremantle is dead. Long live Harmattan. | 11:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: Now, mind you, EVERY step of this procedure makes perfect sense | 11:52 |
| johnx | yeah, so they copied it at every electronics store in the US | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: It prevents you from stealing produce. It prevents the produce girl from stealing your money. Etc etc | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: But when you look at all these steps together, it is just one fucking kafkian mess | 11:54 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, the "=" deps ban should get fixed within the next three weeks. see the bug report. | 11:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: This is what has happened with Symbian "capabilities" and may well be happening with Maemo packages. | 11:55 |
| johnx | right, and it will only be tolerated if a) all the stores do it or b) the store loses less customers from enforcing this bizarre procedure than it does from "shrinkage" or "loss" | 11:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: Neither was a problem to maintain in .SWU | 11:55 |
| RST38h | .SU | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | well | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind with maemo | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | the best thing about it, is that you can get rid of it | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, and I don't care because I don't think I'll ever *own* a device that runs the Nokia version of Fremantle | 11:55 |
| johnx | morning Stskeeps :) | 11:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: thanks | 11:56 |
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| RST38h | johnx: That bad vibes already? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Sts, new day, new Chinese NIT knockoff ;) | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: url? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah, t.m.o, Competitors section, the top | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not that good at following news atm, i need to get the last screw out of my n810 so i can replace the charger plug | 11:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, I never intended to. I doubt I'll be able to afford it and I already have a pandora on order | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: S101 OS | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: What is it? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think it's Chinook based but i'm not sure | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | admittedly i wouldn't mind their development department feeding into Mer | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Interesting...Didn't they need Nokia's binary blobs? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | no, you can get a hildon desktop working without | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | if you have sufficient resources to do it | 11:58 |
| RST38h | What about power saving? | 11:59 |
| neatojones | Hey guys, I seem to have botched up my touchscreen. I messed with ts_calibration and now even after flash, I can't use the screen | 11:59 |
| neatojones | does that even make sense? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: copy in pointercal | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | in /etc | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: not that difficult to replicate | 11:59 |
| johnx | RST38h, it exists in the kernel and in properly designed software that doesn't run when it doesn't need to | 11:59 |
| johnx | plus a 2600mAh battery goes a long way :) | 11:59 |
| RST38h | yeah but they have got an XScale | 11:59 |
| RST38h | it is a power hog compared to OMAP | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: their power saving is probably abysmal but they did a good job on UI | 12:00 |
| johnx | and has fully twice the battery capacity | 12:00 |
| neatojones | I can't get to anything in Maemo. I tried flashing with Mer since it automatically has ssh up and running. | 12:00 |
| neatojones | 0.14 isn't loading the desktop screen. | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: i would just enable USB networking mode :P | 12:01 |
| neatojones | ah. | 12:01 |
| neatojones | Which button is that again on boot? | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | home/switch? | 12:02 |
| neatojones | nm. ..I got to the screen | 12:02 |
| neatojones | I guess, I want to usb with shell? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:03 |
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| neatojones | I'm a bit out of my league on fixing this. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | 0.15? | 12:04 |
| neatojones | using 0.14 since it had a flashable kernel there | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:05 |
| neatojones | I originally had 0.15, but then tried a reflash of the tablet. | 12:05 |
| neatojones | since i couldn't use the screen, I went ahead and just flashed Mer 0.14 | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:05 |
| neatojones | So, now I'm into the main screen of Mer 0.14, but can't select a connection to get the ssh up and going. | 12:06 |
| neatojones | gonna have to restart and telnet. | 12:06 |
| neatojones | I guess, but I've never messed with that much. | 12:06 |
| neatojones | unless there is some combo of buttons to catch the menu | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you can simply remove the "/etc/pointercal" file it should reinstate it | 12:07 |
| neatojones | hmm. | 12:07 |
| neatojones | Can I get Mer to drop to the terminal somehow? | 12:08 |
| neatojones | or bash, I mean | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | console mode i guess, but bash is accessible through USB, both ssh and telnet | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | the Fn key doesnt' work well in terminal | 12:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | actually, has anyone tried those linux-omap patches wrt Fn in 2.6.21? I've modified bootmenu to give me a terminal upon hitting 't' but it kinda fails when I can't press '/'... | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ask luke i guess | 12:11 |
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| neatojones | here we go. | 12:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Might try it myself and hope it doesn't fuck anything up in Maemo | 12:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N810, just cd .. ; cd bin | 12:12 |
| johnx | had a similar keymap problem on a different system a while ago | 12:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | How do I enter "./" :) | 12:13 |
| johnx | . | 12:13 |
| neatojones | well, I basically was playing around with Mer and followed the guide that was supposed to be for calibrating the smartq5 screen | 12:13 |
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| johnx | or to exec something in /home/qwerty: cd .. ; cd .. ; home/qwerty/something | 12:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I can't use the / key | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | tab? ;p | 12:15 |
| johnx | right, you'll need to tab | 12:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | The N810 keyboard doesn't have it by default, afaik.. | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah :p | 12:15 |
| johnx | ctrl-i | 12:15 |
| johnx | I think | 12:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, that does the trick, thanks | 12:16 |
| johnx | it's not fun, but it works in a pinch | 12:16 |
| johnx | mmm...N800 -> bt -> phone -> GRPS/EDGE -> inet | 12:17 |
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| qwerty12 | I've got working Fn in console but not in Maemo :) | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 12:59 |
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| xci | I just changed my target to arm and tried to install nokia-binaries but it complained about "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" | 13:56 |
| timelyx | johnx: so... dpkg is still available | 13:56 |
| timelyx | but the ui is limited to things which aren't likely to break your system | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | well as long as they support .install's | 13:57 |
| xci | does anyone know how to fix that? | 13:59 |
| timelyx | xci: try a different sbox installation instruction manual? :) | 14:00 |
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| woglinde | ~seen javispedro | 14:02 |
| infobot | javispedro <n=javier@80.32.146.69> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 5m 38s ago, saying: '(yes I know about ccache)'. | 14:02 |
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| amr | i wonder if i can entertain myself with my tablet on a train to london | 14:42 |
| amr | i think ill have wifi so it wont be too hard \o | 14:42 |
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| mgedmin | amr: get a good book and fbreader | 14:46 |
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| amr | sounds like a good idea | 14:46 |
| amr | i also have ines and mario, should that not work :p | 14:46 |
| * qwerty12_N810 recommends a good capacity SD card, a bittorrent client on the desktop and mplayer on the tablet | 14:47 | |
| lcuk2 | amr, take liqbase and think and write :) | 14:50 |
| wazd | jeez I'm so sick of "Nokia is doomed" articles on popular blogs | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | i think nokia is far from doomed, in some areas they're lightyears ahead :p | 14:51 |
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| wazd | those "journalists" can't see a little farer than their long nose | 14:52 |
| wazd | If you can't write sane stuff - go to McD! | 14:53 |
| Macer | haha | 14:54 |
| Macer | hardware wise they always have been leading the pack | 14:54 |
| Macer | nokia is rather awesome. plus they make higher quality products it seems | 14:55 |
| Macer | an htc dream is rather flimsy imho | 14:55 |
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| Macer | don't get me wrong. i love the phone .. :) but i'd have never gotten it if my n95 worked with tmob 3G and i REFUSED to use att any longer | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: sorry, no qwerty12 packages in this one :P | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | i do want to get the developers of that OS on board though | 14:58 |
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| waswas | Does anyone know how i can see, when HPaned (gtkmm) is resized? | 15:12 |
| waswas | I've been trying few things but, I just failed every time :P | 15:12 |
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| Macer | haha | 15:17 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: is dropping the ball | 15:18 |
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| amr | has anyone got wmp11 library sharing working? | 15:19 |
| amr | so that your tablet can access it | 15:19 |
| amr | it shows up, but it doesnt seem to be able to find anything | 15:19 |
| amr | (no clips) | 15:19 |
| amr | ah hang on, it just took ages to think about it | 15:19 |
| amr | ah no, its still empty :| | 15:20 |
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| wazd | new Moby album is awesome :) | 15:21 |
| wazd | I definitely should buy it :) | 15:21 |
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| napsy | Hello. Is it possible to store the maemo mapper map files on the sd card instead on the internal memory? | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, there's a setting for it in map repositories? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | the cache | 15:25 |
| napsy | hm ok so if I change the cache patch to my sd it should work? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:25 |
| napsy | path* | 15:25 |
| napsy | ok tnx | 15:25 |
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| * RST38h wonders what evil deed he should commit today | 15:33 | |
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| lcuk2 | RST38h, post scp wikidot articles to wikipedia as fact ;) | 15:37 |
| waswas | Hmm | 15:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Probably won't stand a chance, too many wikipedians without a sense of humor =) | 15:37 |
| waswas | Why Maemo.org looks kinda broken :P | 15:37 |
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| lcuk2 | then post wikipedia articles inside scp as fact ;) | 15:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Now, I am actually thinking of posting some of this stuff to FreeRepublic... | 15:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Or some other forum for mildly salted nut cases... | 15:38 |
| lcuk2 | i was reading some more creepypasta stuff the other night and realised it was an scp article | 15:39 |
| lcuk2 | you have spoilt me! | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | waswas: which bit of maemo.org? | 15:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yes, SCP has this effect on people... | 15:39 |
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| lcuk2 | is it only scp where you get your freaky stuff from, or are there other sources | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: There are other sources, of course :) | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: mm, interesting device but the company should work with mer instead :P | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | and get away from the very grey area they're in | 16:00 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 16:02 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 16:02 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 55m 48s ago, saying: 'i'm shure you can find one for under $200 ;)'. | 16:02 |
| xnt14 | xD | 16:02 |
| * xnt14 looks at the logs :P | 16:02 | |
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| RST38h | Sts: Your best bet would be to talk your SmartQ friends into persuading these guys | 16:06 |
| RST38h | Sts: They are both Chinese so there won't be communication problems | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | uh. | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, we already have a contact who has a contact | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Sts: Heh =) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i have s101 rootfs | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | they'll listen to competitors? sounds...logical | 16:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: They are not as dumb as Americans or Europeans on IP | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: strangely enough people work together on some areas | 16:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: They clearly understand that their IP will be stolen and reused anyway, so they often cooperate on the stuff that isn't worth keeping private | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | once again proving that open source is communism | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | that's not what I meant | 16:09 |
| * RST38h hands Sts a hammer and a sickle | 16:09 | |
| * ShadowJK wasnt referring to opensource or closedsource or stolenware at alll | 16:09 | |
| RST38h | Then what have you been referring to? | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | "Swedish cops are on the look-out for a quintet of tattooed girls who dragged a 50-year-old man off his bicycle, pulled down his trousers and smalls and "sexually molested" the poor bloke." | 16:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Speaking of freakish stuff... | 16:13 |
| lcuk2 | damn | 16:14 |
| lcuk2 | brb, cycling around sweden | 16:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Are you past 50 though? | 16:15 |
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| lcuk2 | for the chance of a pentorgy with a group of goths i think i might flash my OAP bus pass | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2964383/Goths-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murdering-and-eating-teenagers-in-Satanic-ritual.html | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: (they also crucified a hamster, upside down, at the spot of the ritual, the photos were cute) | 16:19 |
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| Macer | RST38h: hahaha!!! | 16:19 |
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| Macer | nothing beats eating people during "satanic" rituals | 16:20 |
| Macer | :) | 16:20 |
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| Macer | RST38h: that site doesn't seem to be working | 16:21 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Actually, I feel sorry for the hamster | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | wow, fremantle went for gtk2.14 | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | Sts: there is one more interesting piece of news | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: In the SDK Beta2 thread, somebody from Nokia mentioned that all the ugly framed rectangles will be replaced by transparencies in the final version | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | sounds evil | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: Should actually look much much better this way | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Sts: More or less like new styled context menus in S60e5 | 16:37 |
| Macer | you knwo. after a few days of using it.. google chrome actually grew on me | 16:37 |
| Macer | heh | 16:37 |
| Macer | i would rather use it than ff | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Macer: No Adblocker => can't use it | 16:38 |
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| Macer | adblocker? :) | 16:40 |
| Macer | haha | 16:40 |
| Macer | oh you mean for the adlets? | 16:40 |
| RST38h | For the banners and other ad crap | 16:41 |
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| Macer | http://www.ghacks.net/2009/01/05/google-chrome-adblocker/ | 16:42 |
| Macer | what makes that article so amazing | 16:42 |
| Macer | is that they are talking about how much google sucks for not having it.. but have 10,000 ads on the side | 16:42 |
| Macer | hahaha | 16:42 |
| RST38h | Ads? What ads? My FF does not show any. | 16:43 |
| Macer | well... :) | 16:44 |
| Macer | in chrome | 16:44 |
| Macer | heh | 16:44 |
| Macer | it's ok. because with chrome's optimized rendering engine | 16:44 |
| Macer | they load just as fast heh | 16:44 |
| Macer | as they would from you blocking it with ff ;) | 16:44 |
| Macer | i like the interface though | 16:45 |
| Macer | it's good to have in xp i suppose.. at the ver least better for me than ff and ie and safari | 16:45 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, which beta2 thread (i barely touch tmo at the mo) | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Macer: I do not hate them for speed, I just dislike stuff being forcibly shoved up my ass | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Macer: Even if it is done through my eyeballs | 16:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: #17 here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30274&page=2 | 16:49 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Ping? | 16:51 |
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| lbt | hi fiferboy | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hi | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | I was going to ask how to recover from changes I accidentally pushed to my qt-diablo branch in my clone, but then I figured it out and rebased it | 16:54 |
| lbt | yep | 16:54 |
| lbt | rebase or just reset | 16:54 |
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| fiferboy | Reset only reverses the staging changes, right? | 16:54 |
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| lbt | no | 16:55 |
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| lbt | reset changes HEAD which is a ptr | 16:55 |
| lbt | reset --hard also changes dir IIRC | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | Ah, so if I 'git reset HEAD~3' I go back three changes? | 16:56 |
| lbt | yes | 16:56 |
| lbt | and status would show the files as modified | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | Good to know, I have been using rebase and deleting the commit lines that I want to go back | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | reset would be easier for simple changes, but rebase is amazingly flexible | 16:57 |
| lbt | it's good to review how you use it as you learn | 16:57 |
| lbt | there are options and tools that are overwhelming when starting out | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | Definitely, I'm sure there are still lots of things I am missing | 16:58 |
| lbt | but make more sense if you use it more | 16:58 |
| lbt | oh, me too | 16:58 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I fixed the infinite oscillations bug (at least, the fix works for the case I could find) | 17:04 |
| lbt | it was still there then? | 17:05 |
| lbt | I'm hacking on OBS to make the builds work quicker | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | Yes, in the overshoot stabilise code | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | lbt: How are you doing that? | 17:05 |
| lbt | http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Cross_Build | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I thought you would have noticed the gtk version jump earlier :) | 17:08 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: For Antonio's last bug (where the scrollarea doesn't go into kinetic mode after a short, fast flick) | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | It looks to me as if it has something to do with focus change | 17:27 |
| lbt | I used to track multiple points to velocity | 17:27 |
| lbt | I wonder if that's needed now | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | ie. It misses kinetic if the widget just gets focus, other wise it gets it every time | 17:27 |
| lbt | ok | 17:28 |
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| fiferboy | After the widget gets focus it records the initial velocity as 0 (unless you scroll around manually for a while) | 17:29 |
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| lcuk2 | fiferboy, should a kinetic scroll action actually take focus? | 17:29 |
| lbt | good point | 17:29 |
| lcuk2 | look in windows - put cursor in a textbox on a form, then using mouse scroll wheel, move the list | 17:29 |
| lcuk2 | the textbox retains focus | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | lcuk2: That is a good observation | 17:30 |
| lcuk2 | its only when you click the list properly that focus shifts | 17:30 |
| lbt | AFAI Recall it shouldn't need or take focus | 17:30 |
| fiferboy | Although I don't like the way Windows handles it either, having to be the focused window | 17:30 |
| lbt | since if the scrollmonitor steals the mouse events it takes them all.. completely | 17:31 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Does it have to do that, since it may be a click through or context event? | 17:31 |
| lbt | it handles that | 17:31 |
| lbt | a click event has no movement and is replayed | 17:31 |
| lbt | click+move = scroll | 17:32 |
| fiferboy | Yes it does, is that the reason it takes focus? | 17:32 |
| lcuk2 | *little movement | 17:32 |
| lbt | honestly I don't recall | 17:32 |
| lbt | my code doesn't touch focus | 17:32 |
| lbt | I know that | 17:32 |
| lbt | but HIM... | 17:32 |
| lbt | it steals events and sees events that I block | 17:32 |
| lbt | which it shouldn't do | 17:33 |
| fiferboy | I thought the mouse event got absorbed if scrolling happened, which means the widget shouldn't get it for focus | 17:33 |
| lbt | correct | 17:33 |
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| lbt | but if you look at textedit | 17:33 |
| lbt | the click doesn't get to the qt widget | 17:33 |
| lbt | but HIM pops up a keyb | 17:33 |
| lbt | hmm | 17:33 |
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| lbt | bad HIM | 17:33 |
| fiferboy | I'll try disabling the HIM code and see if finger scroll works properly | 17:34 |
| lbt | I wonder if HIM does focus too | 17:34 |
| lbt | you mean #undef USE_HIM | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | lbt: As far as I know, HIM only comes into play when there is a focus switch, but I haven't dug too deeply | 17:34 |
| lbt | oh, wait... you can't do that ;) | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | lbt: :) | 17:34 |
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| lbt | actually gnuton will accept that as a patch | 17:35 |
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| fiferboy | There are a couple places in qinputcontext that activate HIM | 17:35 |
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| lbt | so if you want to make changes to the him-branch | 17:35 |
| lcuk2 | can you still scroll in a disabled/locked list? | 17:35 |
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| lbt | and merge them... | 17:35 |
| lbt | lcuk2: I think you're going to have to write a Qt test app to find out... and then log a bug | 17:36 |
| fiferboy | lcuk2: I know you used to be able to, but I'm not sure about now | 17:36 |
| lbt | <grin> | 17:36 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk2: If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you can write it on the device... | 17:36 |
| jaska | firing the retro-rocket+ | 17:36 |
| lcuk2 | its not a problem either way, im used to not being able to - but if the list expects to get focus first it makes sense for the list to be unscrollable if it cannot get focus cos its disabled | 17:37 |
| lcuk2 | fiferboy, too slow | 17:37 |
| fiferboy | lcuk2: Nah, you don't have to compile qt on the device ;) | 17:37 |
| lbt | focus shouldn't be relevant | 17:37 |
| lcuk2 | get me a much much faster finger touch handheld touchscreen device and ill build liqbase in qt | 17:37 |
| lcuk2 | fiferboy, compile + copy + execute is SLOWER using scratchbox than native.. | 17:38 |
| lcuk2 | and i get best thing of all, instant run on real hardware, and instant stopping with ctrlc | 17:38 |
| fiferboy | lcuk2: Even slower with qemu | 17:38 |
| lcuk2 | and lots of debug info in my console | 17:38 |
| coldboot | I'm back. | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Did you figure out why your program wasn't working with the patched Qt? | 17:39 |
| lcuk2 | coldboot, why did you flicker then when you reappeared? | 17:39 |
| lbt | \o/ | 17:39 |
| lbt | ROFL | 17:39 |
| coldboot | haha | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | Hey, at least he is able to type... | 17:40 |
| * lcuk2 has a new keyboard in liqbase !! i can type too now | 17:40 | |
| lcuk2 | even on a smartq | 17:40 |
| woglinde | lcuk haha | 17:40 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I don't know what the reason is, but I'd guess that making one widget native, while the rest aren't, causes events to be directed to the wrong places. | 17:41 |
| lcuk2 | woglinde, i loath having to put a soft kb into liqbase - i only ever need it for the username and password to liqbase.net | 17:42 |
| coldboot | This laut.fm stuff is pretty cool. | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | We didn't change anything for inputable widgets, just ones that don't accept keyboard input | 17:42 |
| coldboot | Yes, but it's somehow affecting the other widgets in the same window. | 17:43 |
| lbt | coldboot: my stupid flashplayer keeps going jittery grrr | 17:43 |
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| coldboot | lbt: Yeah, mine too, every now and then. | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: But not in my program or in shopper... | 17:43 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: Also, in my program it just affects the popup widget. The click events actually go through the popup window, to the view underneath, and click its buttons. | 17:44 |
| coldboot | Does anyone know of a good video screen capture program for Linux? | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That is really strange... | 17:45 |
| woglinde | xvid | 17:45 |
| lcuk2 | coldboot, vnc2swf | 17:45 |
| woglinde | and kmydesktop or so | 17:45 |
| woglinde | or ask in #ffmpeg | 17:46 |
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| coldboot | vnc2swf just fails and says it can't connect on startup, I take it you have to setup a vnc server? | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | um, yes... | 18:03 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, I assume "Mer" is more than just a kernel but also includes some applications, right? :-D | 18:13 |
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| talig | guys, did anyone ever successfully flash an omap kernel? | 18:15 |
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| VDVsx | another chinese MID running maemo: http://www.pocketables.net/2009/07/optima-unveils-op5e-mid-with-maemo.html :) | 18:20 |
| coldboot | Okay recordmydesktop is pretty good. | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: saw it, there's a thread on it | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: what's a MPU? different from MMU? :P | 18:27 |
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| GAN800 | The Chinese are hilarious. | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK | what now? :) | 18:42 |
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| timelyx | GAN800: i like VDVsx's last picture | 18:45 |
| timelyx | although, stealing firefox+msnmessenger+wmp feels a bit excessive | 18:45 |
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| Luke-Jr | ikelos: I caught you how exactly? | 18:48 |
| coldboot | All screen capturing options to Linux seem to be broken for me. | 18:48 |
| * ShadowJK used ffmpeg for it | 18:49 | |
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| Corsac | screenshots or video? | 18:49 |
| coldboot | Corsac: Video, capturing screenshots is easy and always works. | 18:50 |
| Corsac | recordmydesktop is known to work here | 18:50 |
| coldboot | It only captures the first frame for me. | 18:50 |
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| mgedmin | osm2go rules | 18:53 |
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| VDVsx | timelyx, they don't have money enough money for a designer :P | 18:56 |
| timelyx | VDVsx: more likely they couldn't find one if they tried :) | 18:57 |
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| timelyx | (we manage to find people who shouldn't be allowed to claim that title) | 18:58 |
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| lcuk2 | mgedmin, how would i access continuous logs of a single person from your server | 19:03 |
| RST38h | reMoo | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: use the advanced AI-controlled shell server, to viz, paste me the grep command you want me to run ;) | 19:03 |
| lcuk2 | supposing i wanted to look at all my lines with all my normal aliases, could i ask your server "/listquotes.php?username='lcuk,lcuk2,lcuk3" | 19:03 |
| VDVsx | timelyx, well, this happens for *all* the professions :) | 19:04 |
| RST38h | Somebody has got a time machine: http://gizmodo.com/5315766/suspiciously-prescient-man-files-patent-for-ipod+like-device-in-1979 | 19:04 |
| lcuk2 | mgedmin, :D ill bear that in mind then, thx | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | suggestions for a good text search engine with Python bindings would be welcome | 19:06 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, humm, wondering what type of media, the patented proto would play :P | 19:06 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, sphynx? or how it is called... | 19:07 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, oh, flash based, smart guy :) | 19:07 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: I strongly suspect there is a birth record for him somewhere in the 80s =) | 19:08 |
| lcuk2 | mgedmin, mysql database with a few fields - spend half a day running an import and then make everything wrok from there | 19:08 |
| * mgedmin has heard of pylucene and xapian | 19:08 | |
| mgedmin | lcuk2: make that postgresql and I'll consider it | 19:08 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Don't | 19:08 |
| lcuk2 | if you complain louder, ill make it MS access :P | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | it's way past time to fill in my hole of knowledge of full-text search indexing | 19:09 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, eheh | 19:09 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, xapian too | 19:09 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: As much as I hate to say it, Postgress has got much lower performance than goddamn MySQL | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | ooh, a flame war approacheth | 19:09 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: No treating it as a religious subject | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | I've heard that when you add the missing sql features such as transaction support mysql slows down to match postgresql | 19:10 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Just had trouble with Postgress recently. | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | :) | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | Wow, that iPod-esque patent is amazing. | 19:10 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Guess so. But I remember reading somewhere that MySQL has added transactions already. Subqueries too | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | how good is sqlite for single process performance then | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | does it beat a local instance of mysql/postgre etc | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Dunno, tried using it but hit a problem with being unable to update it from the PHP app | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Permissions problem | 19:11 |
| lcuk2 | thats not the database libraries fault tho | 19:11 |
| RST38h | correct | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | I've heard sqlite is not exactly stellar when talking about performance | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | it's just very very convenient | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Well, it is kinda MS Access for Unix :) | 19:11 |
| lcuk2 | yeah, it feels like using MS access | 19:11 |
| lcuk2 | snap! | 19:12 |
| lcuk2 | ish | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect it's difficult to use sqlite properly | 19:12 |
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| ShadowJK | or then people are just lazy and call fsync() repeatedly instead | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | except no GUI :) | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Good riddance. | 19:13 |
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| javispedro | gizmodo overdoing it as usual | 19:15 |
| javispedro | in the 90s a device MIGHT have had enough flash to store 3 minutes of audio | 19:15 |
| javispedro | but in the 70s, I believe the world's entire supply of flash memory wouldn't have been enough to store 3 minutes of uncompressed audio | 19:15 |
| lcuk2 | ShadowJK, its quite easy to use sqlite properly | 19:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it is a little better than that | 19:16 |
| RST38h | But yes, more or less | 19:16 |
| lcuk2 | mgedmin, i am used to no gui in access, i have created files from thin air and defined entire structure from code anyway | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | does sqlite have full text indexing? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Any chance to see the new version of OpenTTD in Extras? =) | 19:17 |
| RST38h | prolly not, why would it? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | But we have got Google for that :) | 19:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h, you mean the one with kinetic? | 19:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yep | 19:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And hopefully with the fix for "cannot save" problem | 19:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h, dunno about that. you have writable MyDocs/.games/OpenTTD folder? | 19:19 |
| RST38h | javis: No idea, I have not created it by hand | 19:19 |
| VDVsx | interesting, may be for android or samsung wants to join the linux party: http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=5140264&gid=125638&trk=EML_anet_qa_ttle-0Pt79xs2RVr6JBpnsJt7dBpSBA | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Let's see | 19:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h, the game should create it for you, but "shit happens" ;) | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Weird... | 19:20 |
| RST38h | I have lost a symlink /home/user/MyDocs | 19:21 |
| javispedro | this to all of #maemo: I am using $MYDOCS_DIR env variable to get MyDocs path, I assume this is documented somewhere and is the "right way", isn't it? | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Hopefully it should work now: I have MyDocs symlinked to /media/mmc1/MyDocs | 19:22 |
| RST38h | And something killed the symlink | 19:22 |
| javispedro | i didn't for sure :D | 19:22 |
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| amr | anyone here recommend the best place to start with python dev for the tablet? | 19:22 |
| amr | can i just develop here and test on the tablet? | 19:22 |
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| javispedro | as for the kinetic version, I'm trying to debug a issue where sometimes, when it's "decelerating" it ignores taps | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | javis: Oh...There is a couple of guys here doing a lot of kinetic stuff | 19:24 |
| RST38h | javis: They may help | 19:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h, I believe it's more an OpenTTD thing | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | amr, for none ui stuff yes, ui stuff is better to test in the tablet/sdk | 19:25 |
| amr | thats what i said | 19:25 |
| amr | and test on the tablet | 19:25 |
| VDVsx | then yes, at least works very well for me | 19:25 |
| VDVsx | :) | 19:25 |
| amr | hms are there any handy ui libraries i should look at? | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | amr, you have to pick one first :) : qt, gtk+, efl | 19:26 |
| amr | oh no :< | 19:27 |
| amr | dare i ask, is there a recommended one? | 19:27 |
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| amr | i assume qt | 19:27 |
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| javispedro | qt for maemo > 5, gtk for maemo < 5 :D | 19:28 |
| amr | oic | 19:28 |
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| VDVsx | amr, if you choose gtk/hildon, here is some good docs IMO: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_hildon_tutorial/html/index.html | 19:29 |
| VDVsx | maemo5 aka fremantle ^^ | 19:30 |
| Luke-Jr | amr: Qt | 19:30 |
| Luke-Jr | amr: GTK+ is suck | 19:30 |
| amr | this is why i said 'dare i ask' :p | 19:31 |
| amr | cheers VDVsx | 19:31 |
| javispedro | ah, the flames :P | 19:31 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: You around today? | 19:33 |
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| amr | hmmm... my network is so funny on the tablet | 19:35 |
| amr | im quite tempted to reflash | 19:35 |
| amr | it's that tempremental | 19:35 |
| amr | there, i left it alone for 5 minutes and tried to do an apt-get and it just sat on "connecting" | 19:36 |
| amr | reconnect and bang, it works | 19:36 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wonders why hildon-desktop is so anal-retentive about "if (priv->drag_lock) gtk_check_menu_item_set_active(GTK_CHECK_MENU_ITEM(menu_item), TRUE);" | 19:36 | |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, because the computa never gets it right the first time | 19:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe, I had to set no-lifeguard-reset just so I could start it up again :( | 19:38 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, thanks for elaborating Mer. Going to keep it as a reference :) | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: i sometimes have difficulties determining it :P | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | we operate with Mer as distro and Mer as upstream in some other areas :P | 19:43 |
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| wazd_ | WebOS SDK is available | 19:46 |
| wazd_ | downloading it right now :) | 19:46 |
| woglinde | hm | 19:46 |
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| woglinde | re coldboot | 19:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wow, I was retarded. Setting the state to priv->drag_lock directly worked. | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk2: maybe the firefox issues with filesystem I/O wasn't due to how it used sqlite then :) | 19:47 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc the kernel people tried to educate them, or atleast sat in a corner and threw a hissy fit, on when/how to use fsync, fdatasync and friends :) | 19:49 |
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| ShadowJK | and this was something that had very noticeable impact (multisecond stalls) on fast harddrives | 19:49 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: There is a solution for that | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | and on tablet we're stuck with sd which is like a fast tapedrive in performance :) | 19:50 |
| coldboot|bb | woglinde: re me what? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Removing FF SQLite files or making them unreadable improves FF load times | 19:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Saves space too | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | not talking about load times | 19:50 |
| woglinde | coldboot just irc slang for welcome back | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | But, I mean, isn't beheading the best acne cure? | 19:50 |
| derf | It has some side-effects. | 19:51 |
| javispedro | lol itunes already blocking the pre | 19:51 |
| javispedro | serves 'em right | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | anyway, if someone with as many people as mozilla had issues doing it right, to the point where it caused big performance issues on fast hardware, I'm afraid what "random" devs will end doing on tablet :) | 19:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Support" was done via a hack, not unexpected :) | 19:52 |
| javispedro | now, who wants to develop a gadgetfs app to make the nits appear as ipods? ;) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | should be fairly easy :P | 19:53 |
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| derf | ShadowJK: Mozilla has as many people as it does because their codebase (including dependencies, which many of them actively develop on as well), is huge. | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | I winder what happened to norway's consumer protection agencies suing apple for locking ipod/itunes to eachother and locking out competitors :) | 19:53 |
| derf | Doing _anything_ is ridiculously hard. Doing it right doubly so. | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | oh yes, with sqlite you'll have one huge file instead of many tiny files.. getting that right without causing long stalls is what's hard :) | 19:55 |
| * javispedro smells new crazy time-hole project | 19:55 | |
| * ShadowJK has just been tortured with too much crappy software that's made itself slow because someone decided to include sqlite "just because" :) | 19:56 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, PalmOS Cobalt had sqlite as its only "storage" | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | what's that kde music player? amarok? needed about 5 seconds to change from one mp3 track to another, cpu busy groping the databases | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | cpu and hd | 19:57 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, the benefit of sqlite is that you can now improve sqlite itself | 19:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | To be fair, Amarok does give the user the choice of what DB engine it uses :P | 19:57 |
| javispedro | instead of huntering each and every developer developing its own slow db engine | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | well.. in the case of amarok it's been faster with realloc()d arrays | 19:58 |
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| ShadowJK | it would have been* | 19:58 |
| woglinde | on windows its even worser | 19:59 |
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| * javispedro needs a good nelson muntz Ha Ha! image for the "itunes blocks Palm Pre" thread | 19:59 | |
| woglinde | searching over temp files | 19:59 |
| woglinde | for crypto stuff | 19:59 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/nelson-muntz.gif | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Pretty easy with "nelson muntz ha ha" into Google, TBH ;-) | 20:04 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: yep, but worried about $RANDOM_WEBSITE suing me for "stealing" ;) | 20:04 |
| javispedro | either way I like yours, thanks :D | 20:05 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I'll be here for a while | 20:05 |
| woglinde | javispedro hi | 20:06 |
| javispedro | hi | 20:06 |
| woglinde | javispedro I have something for you | 20:06 |
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| javispedro | hope it's not a bugreport ;) | 20:06 |
| woglinde | javispedro maybe you can write Edward Nevill to get some help with yazell | 20:06 |
| woglinde | http://camswl.com/openjdk/ | 20:07 |
| javispedro | already saw that, was discussed here | 20:07 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 20:07 |
| woglinde | sorry | 20:08 |
| javispedro | don't worry ;) | 20:08 |
| javispedro | problem is that's not a bare interpreter | 20:08 |
| javispedro | and Jazelle is designed to work around a bare interpreter + "maybe" a JIT for "hot spots" | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | hmm... I need a very simple java benchmark | 20:10 |
| javispedro | something like non-recursive version fibonacci or anything like that | 20:10 |
| lcuk2 | i need a very simple cup of hot java | 20:10 |
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| javispedro | as a teacher I know used to say, "Java is not hot anymore" | 20:11 |
| javispedro | ;) | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | colleague at work broke my cup the other day, for some reason he never wants a brew when i offer to make one with his favorite cup now | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Fortunately | 20:14 |
| Macer | hm | 20:15 |
| Macer | my damn comcast modem died on me | 20:15 |
| * RST38h seen a software engineering article once (circa 2002) titled "If Java is the answer, then what was the question?" | 20:15 | |
| Macer | probably a bird landing on it or something | 20:15 |
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| Macer | BUT.. it came back up so i guess it was an outage | 20:15 |
| Macer | and allowed me to call them | 20:15 |
| Macer | and find out i can pay the same price for 2.5x the upstream and 2x the down | 20:15 |
| Macer | heh | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Macer: Have you managed to get a human? | 20:16 |
| Macer | RST38h: sure | 20:16 |
| Macer | it's a business line | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Coool | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Ah | 20:16 |
| Macer | takes 1 minute to talk to someone haha | 20:16 |
| * RST38h remembers basically hacking Comcast "customer support specialists" to make them hit an abort clause in their scripts | 20:16 | |
| javispedro | and does that human talk your local language? | 20:17 |
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| Macer | javispedro: yeah | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Every time the next "specialist" reaches a line in his script that says "Forward to the next layer of support", the next guy gradually becomes more human | 20:17 |
| Macer | actual americans | 20:18 |
| Macer | doing american tech support! | 20:18 |
| Macer | :) | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Macer: no shit? | 20:18 |
| Macer | swear to god | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Crisis must have been really bad ... | 20:18 |
| * RST38h only got at American at the 3rd tier from the bottom, and had to crash the guy to get to a real normal American human a the 4th tier | 20:19 | |
| Macer | oh wait | 20:19 |
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| lbt | coldboot: fiferboy: http://blog.gitorious.org/2009/07/15/new-merge-request-functionality/ | 20:21 |
| Macer | well | 20:24 |
| Macer | speakeasy has me at 30mbit down and 10 up | 20:24 |
| Macer | heh | 20:24 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I had read that before, but it doesn't shed any light on the problem I was having with my merge requests reducing to the first commit | 20:24 |
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| Macer | that's pretty neat | 20:24 |
| coldboot | lbt: cool | 20:24 |
| lbt | There was a followup on the mailing list saying the problem was fixed... so I thought I'd mention it here too | 20:25 |
| coldboot | lbt: Yeah I was working with Johan last night to figure out why I couldn't push. | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | Should I redo my merge requests? | 20:25 |
| lbt | I just saw the backlogs | 20:25 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: yes | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | lbt: It seems like I just request for the most recent commit and it will do the previous ones as well, I'll try that | 20:26 |
| lbt | yes | 20:26 |
| coldboot | for QWidget::nativeParentWidget() here: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/blobs/hildon-input-method/src/gui/kernel/qwidget.cpp#line3898 | 20:26 |
| SpComb | hrmph, bad report on the n810-reboot-cycle-while-charging thing | 20:26 |
| coldboot | Is it ever going to get up to the top-level parent, discover it's got no internalWinId, and return NULL? | 20:27 |
| SpComb | got my tablet back from warranty service today... good news is, they swapped it for a new table... bad news, they left the old battery in, and it was just as broken as before :( | 20:27 |
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| coldboot | Or is there always an ancestor with an internalWinId? | 20:27 |
| lbt | yes | 20:27 |
| SpComb | *a new tablet | 20:27 |
| lcuk | SpComb, how do you know they left it in | 20:27 |
| lcuk | are you sure its not related to the apps you have installed | 20:27 |
| lbt | kinda by definition | 20:27 |
| amr | http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/7/8/16/twitter-time-travel-1390-1247083589-11.jpg | 20:27 |
| amr | how nerdy | 20:27 |
| lcuk | ie bad apps running draining | 20:27 |
| coldboot | lbt: You mean there is always an ancestor with an internalWinId? | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | heh thats class | 20:28 |
| SpComb | lcuk: freshly flashed tablet, also directly from the factory, warranty replacement, no apps installed | 20:28 |
| lbt | coldboot: yes. Think about it. | 20:28 |
| lcuk | and whats it doing? | 20:28 |
| coldboot | lbt: I was pretty sure, just wanted to confirm. | 20:28 |
| SpComb | well, I'm trying to find the related thread on the forums | 20:28 |
| lbt | :) | 20:28 |
| lbt | some window has to be rendered in the native system to make it visible | 20:29 |
| SpComb | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29213 | 20:29 |
| Macer | hm | 20:29 |
| Macer | have to test the speeds | 20:29 |
| lcuk | SpComb, too busy to look in forums, 1 sentence answer | 20:29 |
| javispedro | n810-reboot-cycle-while-charging | 20:30 |
| SpComb | lcuk: software resets from BME_rx-44 while charging, and then eventually battery life goes waaaay down | 20:30 |
| lcuk | tried a different charger | 20:30 |
| lcuk | perhaps the one you have is sending dirty electrons | 20:31 |
| SpComb | happens with all three standard nokia chargers I've tried | 20:31 |
| javispedro | cause it's difficult for a big company to send you defective material as part of an RMA | 20:31 |
| locutus | lcuk: brown ones are the worst | 20:31 |
| SpComb | the thread indicates it's a battery-specific issue, and it seems like it is | 20:31 |
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| SpComb | I just went a bought a new BP-4L battery, remains to be seem how well it works with that | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | SpComb, have you tried it from a different location, or to the point, do you suffer from bad electric/brownouts/shorts etc | 20:32 |
| SpComb | my old battery (the one I bought with the device a year ago) has a very noticeably bulge in it | 20:32 |
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| SpComb | lcuk: in different countries | 20:32 |
| javispedro | what? battery itself its the best filter ever | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Yay, merge request worked | 20:33 |
| SpComb | but seems the battery itself is physically deformed... explains why getting the back cover back on was so difficult | 20:33 |
| SpComb | perhaps 1.5mm in the middle | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | if the one you have has a deformation, send that back | 20:33 |
| SpComb | the battery only has 6 months of warranty... | 20:33 |
| lcuk | then be happy with your new one | 20:33 |
| SpComb | and after spending a week without my n810 I'm not so willing to go bring it back again :) | 20:34 |
| javispedro | only a week and you're complaining? :D | 20:34 |
| SpComb | but it does seem like there's some kind of fairly common issue with roughly year-old batteries | 20:34 |
| * lcuk dreads to think how much battery screw ups i should have | 20:34 | |
| lcuk | i abuse my 810 continuously | 20:34 |
| * javispedro still uses factory year-and-a-half old battery | 20:34 | |
| lcuk | charge/drain cycles and dripping for weeks etc | 20:35 |
| SpComb | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=304807 <-- same issue here | 20:35 |
| lcuk | me too | 20:35 |
| SpComb | I'm not the only one | 20:35 |
| javispedro | batteries die, that is not uncommon | 20:36 |
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| SpComb | javispedro: it just doesn't seem like typical behviour to me, though | 20:36 |
| SpComb | javispedro: I can understand it going from full to empty in 15 minutes of use, but having the entire device reboot while charging? | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | the crashing is odd | 20:37 |
| javispedro | yours' isn't, the last thread you posted is | 20:37 |
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| SpComb | the silliest thing is that at first, battery life was fine... it lasted hours... but it would reboot while charging | 20:37 |
| SpComb | then battery life started to gradually go down | 20:37 |
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| SpComb | javispedro: "fter flashing to gain the new "gps" functionality of the most recent version of 2008 my tablet began rebooting when ever it was on the charger. The tablet reboots several times over the charging period. I would have thought it was a battery issue until a friend of mind started experiencing the exact same problem" | 20:38 |
| SpComb | javispedro: from the previous link | 20:38 |
| javispedro | "nice anecdote. NEXT!" | 20:38 |
| SpComb | well, it's unfortunate, because it's apparently not covered by warranty | 20:38 |
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| SpComb | but I do have a shiny new n810 now | 20:39 |
| SpComb | plus one brand new battery and one phyiscally deformed one | 20:39 |
| javispedro | but it's a battery problem for sure, since sw can suck a battery dead in minutes | 20:39 |
| javispedro | s/can/can't/ | 20:39 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: but it's a battery problem for sure, since sw can't suck a battery dead in minutes | 20:39 |
| SpComb | and if the new battery doesn't help, I can take it back to Nokia Care and complain some more | 20:40 |
| lcuk | javispedro, do not underestimate the sucking power of a team of developers | 20:40 |
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| javispedro | luck: does your n810 generate steam sometimes? :P | 20:40 |
| lcuk | it has actually once | 20:40 |
| javispedro | darn typos | 20:40 |
| SpComb | javispedro: but it's not purely a battery *capacity* issue, since at first, that wasn't an issue | 20:40 |
| lcuk | when i left it all day charging in the crate | 20:40 |
| lcuk | with a wooden book ontop | 20:41 |
| lcuk | the screen was hot to touch | 20:41 |
| lcuk | and the entire unit was even worse | 20:41 |
| * lcuk hasnt made that mistake again | 20:41 | |
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| * javispedro remembers tinkering a battery-powered device until it started generating steam... in the 90s | 20:43 | |
| javispedro | the "device" was quite heavy | 20:44 |
| javispedro | was scared for life :P | 20:44 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I had a power supply meltdown a few years ago | 20:44 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the usual brick thing, apparently wasn't dynamic, the casing went liquid but it still worked =) | 20:45 |
| javispedro | lol | 20:45 |
| javispedro | i've had a few power supply meltdowns too... athlons are so hot ;) | 20:46 |
| coldboot | lbt: fiferboy: When I modified the way events are forwarded to widgets in this code, it never gets called: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/blobs/221ccad2867d9cd0e57b7517acaf69012c0abea9/src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp#line3312 | 20:47 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Where is you getHIMProxy function? | 20:49 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: It's a part of QWidget. | 20:50 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: It just returns a QWidget*, it's a simple get/set method. | 20:50 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Is the code exiting in the if statement above that block? | 20:51 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It might be, I just realized that. | 20:51 |
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| coldboot | How do you guys use a debugger on the device? | 20:52 |
| RST38h | Using printf(0s here | 20:52 |
| javispedro | coldboot, grab the gdb package from sdk repo | 20:52 |
| javispedro | but DO NOT enable the whole sdk repo | 20:52 |
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| coldboot | javispedro: I guess I want to copy the libQtGui.so.4.5.0.debug to libQtGui.so.4.5.0 on the device? | 20:57 |
| javispedro | don't know about qt internals, sorry | 20:58 |
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| woglinde | coldboot you could gdbserver too | 21:07 |
| woglinde | +use | 21:07 |
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| woglinde | coldboot install the -dbg package, I hope there is one | 21:10 |
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| coldboot | woglinde: I'm compiling my own debug library, so that doesn't help. | 21:11 |
| coldboot | woglinde: I don't know how to use the qt debug libraries for an app instead of the default one. Copying .so.debug to .so on the device causes all Qt apps to segfault... | 21:11 |
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| woglinde | nope | 21:15 |
| woglinde | hm you need a .debug dir | 21:15 |
| woglinde | put the debug lib there | 21:15 |
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| coldboot | Where? | 21:15 |
| woglinde | where resides your Qtlibs? | 21:16 |
| coldboot | The Qt libs are in /usr/lib, so are the .so.debug libs. | 21:16 |
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| woglinde | okay make a /usr/lib/.debug dir | 21:17 |
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| woglinde | put the dbg-lib into /usr/lib/.debug | 21:17 |
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| wazd | ok, looks like palm emu is slightly buggy now | 21:24 |
| javispedro | wazd: does it use virtualbox? | 21:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: yep | 21:24 |
| javispedro | so it's webos x86 then | 21:25 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, I guess 32 bit works fine but on my Vista x64 it seems to have some bugs. | 21:25 |
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| wazd | Btw, what's awesome that this SDK is for all 3 major platforms | 21:26 |
| wazd | Nokia, wink wink :) | 21:26 |
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| javispedro | wazd: try to update the sdk virtualbox if you dare :) | 21:30 |
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| wazd | javispedro: well, the problem is that you need to install java, vbox and Modjo SDK separately | 21:33 |
| wazd | javispedro: and in my case it can't locate java :( | 21:33 |
| javispedro | maybe your java is too cold? ;) | 21:33 |
| wazd | javispedro: yep, I've tried espresso'n'stuff already :) | 21:34 |
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| javispedro | btw I guess you all java haters here would hate webos, it's using both JAVA servlets and JAVAscript (I know they're not related ;) ) | 21:34 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: HIM doesn't make a differenct for the "small deltas" bug, and the scroll widget definitely gets focus when scrolling | 21:36 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: OK, good to know | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | I'll keep working on it. | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | I'm glad the merge request was correct this time | 21:58 |
| coldboot | There's a lot of mixed tabs and spaces in the qt-maemo code... | 22:02 |
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| Macer | heh | 22:06 |
| Macer | coldboot: it's ok. that is the future of nokia | 22:06 |
| lbt | fiferboy: introduce yourself to git on your laptop | 22:07 |
| lbt | Author: Andrew Olmsted <fiferboy@fiferboy-laptop.(none)> | 22:07 |
| woglinde | hihi | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hehe, I forgot whether I had done that | 22:08 |
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| fiferboy | I think I had probably done it at some point, but not global | 22:09 |
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| coldboot | Macer: What do you mean? | 22:10 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I think I've found it. That code was getting disqualified because it was asking questions about keywidget, instead of proxywidget. | 22:11 |
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| fiferboy | Ah, good | 22:11 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I made proxywidget = keywidget->getHIMProxy() ? keywidget->getHIMProxy() : keywidget; | 22:12 |
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| wazd | ok, I was a bit dumb :) | 22:15 |
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| wazd | SDK required javs SDK, not JRE :D | 22:16 |
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| woglinde | hehe yes | 22:18 |
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| wazd | oops | 22:18 |
| wazd | wrong button :) | 22:18 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: If I have a build branch and the make process creates a whole bunch of non-tracked files does that screw up anything in my other branches? | 22:23 |
| lbt | no | 22:23 |
| lbt | what can make sense is to have 2 git repos | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I was just thinking that, it would me much easier to have one with the changes I am making, and another that I don't care what happens to to build in | 22:25 |
| lbt | clone from gitorious; then clone locally. The 2nd local clone is checkedout to the build branch | 22:25 |
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| lbt | then edit the gitorious clone and pull/merge to the build one | 22:25 |
| fiferboy | How do I perform the second clone? | 22:26 |
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| wazd | wee, it works! | 22:26 |
| lbt | git clone /path/to/other | 22:26 |
| * lbt has thousands of the damn things | 22:27 | |
| fiferboy | Nice, very nice | 22:27 |
| javispedro | first jazelle benchmark says 8x times faster | 22:27 |
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| javispedro | not that much :( | 22:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You got jazelle to work or what? | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | RST38h, you don't subscribe my newsletter or what?? :D | 22:28 |
| * RST38h does not | 22:28 | |
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| javispedro | joking | 22:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: I got Pre emu working :D | 22:28 |
| javispedro | 8x is not that much considering this is a totally idealistic benchmark | 22:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Wrote an app ? :) | 22:29 |
| javispedro | consisting only in integer operations | 22:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: not yet :P | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro; I was told of x3 speed bump for realistic apps | 22:29 |
| slonopotamus_ | jazelle? | 22:29 |
| javispedro | jazelle vs jamvm | 22:29 |
| javispedro | still need to apt-get cacao | 22:29 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro, link, quick! | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: "only integers" limitation is realistic, MIDP is limited to integers | 22:30 |
| slonopotamus_ | :P | 22:30 |
| javispedro | binaries soon | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Floating point is overrated anyway :) | 22:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: Is that Pre thing the world salvation or just another gimmick? | 22:30 |
| javispedro | btw, the benchmark I finally settled on is checking if 9876103 is prime with world's lamest algorithm | 22:30 |
| slonopotamus_ | javispedro, binaries are nothing, source is everything :) | 22:30 |
| javispedro | takes 48.30s in jamvm | 22:31 |
| coldboot | Can someone test this video, let me know if you see it move at all: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/17699/record-mydesktop-test.ogv | 22:31 |
| javispedro | 6.2 in my jazelle vm | 22:31 |
| coldboot | Or if it just sits on the first frame the entire time... | 22:31 |
| woglinde | its working coldboot | 22:31 |
| woglinde | hm oh | 22:32 |
| coldboot | woglinde: You see me moving my mouse around? | 22:32 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus_, source will come too :D | 22:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: BTW, we still do not have a practical MIDP environment for Maemo ;) | 22:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, dunno bout salvation, but it's definitely shiny :) | 22:32 |
| woglinde | coldboot no mouse but menus appers | 22:32 |
| wazd | does anybody know any online IRC client?) | 22:32 |
| coldboot | woglinde: Okay cool | 22:32 |
| coldboot | woglinde: And you see the mouse menu changing? | 22:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: One that would simple let users execute .jar/.jad files by clicking on them in file manager | 22:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h, that requires boring work :/ | 22:33 |
| woglinde | coldboot hm there is defenitly somethin missing | 22:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: www.web-irc.org | 22:33 |
| woglinde | but it dont stays on the first frame | 22:33 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC | 22:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: should only require minimal amount of packaging, as long as you have got native MIDP implementation =) | 22:33 |
| javispedro | RST38h, the issue is not between integers vs fp but just integer operations vs allocations, invokes, jumps and all that | 22:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: well can't do much about allocations | 22:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: they will suck anyway | 22:34 |
| javispedro | so that means real workloads will show way less than 8x | 22:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: invokes and jumps can be magically enhanced though :) | 22:34 |
| javispedro | jazelle does not handle _quick opcodes, or so it seems | 22:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Real workloads do not allocate data left and right. Only if they are written by idiots. | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | ahhahaha | 22:35 |
| RST38h | this is from the emulator, right? | 22:35 |
| javispedro | does the pre rule? :D | 22:36 |
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| wazd | hmm, I can't see myself from the desktop :) | 22:36 |
| wazd | btw web-irc is absolutely unusable on Pre :D | 22:37 |
| wazd | too small | 22:37 |
| javispedro | I suck | 22:37 |
| javispedro | Cacao is faster :( | 22:37 |
| javispedro | 4 vs 6 seconds | 22:37 |
| woglinde | javis haha | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Ah don't push yourself, it is a dead language anyway | 22:37 |
| woglinde | javis openjdk with new bigasm is faste than cacao | 22:38 |
| woglinde | I bet | 22:38 |
| RST38h | My mighty 6502 virtual machine can run faster :) | 22:38 |
| woglinde | trying to build it right now | 22:39 |
| woglinde | with oe | 22:39 |
| coldboot | woglinde: Do you see things happening in the video? | 22:39 |
| woglinde | coldboot yes | 22:40 |
| coldboot | woglinde: ok | 22:40 |
| woglinde | in the end a second menu goes up | 22:40 |
| woglinde | hm wait | 22:40 |
| woglinde | I will look again | 22:40 |
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| woglinde | oh its gone | 22:40 |
| woglinde | did you delete it? | 22:40 |
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| woglinde | aeh | 22:41 |
| wazd | mail app is nice | 22:41 |
| wazd | it just asked me login and pass, thats all | 22:41 |
| woglinde | and then? | 22:42 |
| woglinde | no mail? | 22:42 |
| wazd | and thats all :) | 22:42 |
| wazd | it automaticaly recognized gmail I guess | 22:42 |
| wazd | nope, all works fine :) | 22:42 |
| javispedro | all has to be said, the benchmark I used is the ideal one for a JIT too. Just one small-sized method, compile it and fly | 22:42 |
| woglinde | cool | 22:42 |
| woglinde | can you share it? | 22:43 |
| wazd | oh, russian language works fine O_o | 22:43 |
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| woglinde | I would like to try it with openjdk then | 22:43 |
| wazd | one click attachment download | 22:43 |
| wazd | it's trying to view doc file :) | 22:44 |
| wazd | I have a strange bug :) | 22:45 |
| javispedro | woglinde, http://pastebin.com/m797168cb | 22:45 |
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| wazd | the system didn't hang up but it doesn't allow me to turn off viewer or get back to cards :) | 22:46 |
| wazd | since I don't have bottom area I think I have to restart it :) | 22:46 |
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| woglinde | javispedro thanks | 22:48 |
| wazd | google maps work like google maps :) | 22:48 |
| wazd | wow! | 22:49 |
| wazd | that's hot!) | 22:49 |
| javispedro | wazd: did it just try to kill your NIT? :D | 22:49 |
| wazd | It automaticaly added all my gmail contact book to local book :) | 22:49 |
| wazd | even with avatars and stuff :) | 22:49 |
| wazd | I can even see Fiferboy with his cute kid :D | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | wazd: That picture is probably a bit old now, but it is amazing you can see it at all! | 22:50 |
| wazd | fiferboy: it's cute anyway :D | 22:50 |
| wazd | memo's looks like post-it sheets but it's drawn like it is linoleum or something :D | 22:52 |
| Corsac | what are you trying? | 22:52 |
| wazd | Corsac: Pre emulator | 22:53 |
| Corsac | oki | 22:53 |
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| wazd | oh, and it added my gmail account to it's messaging system | 22:53 |
| wazd | that's cool! | 22:53 |
| woglinde | thats only mean google knows to much about you | 22:54 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Can you see if I'm online in Jabber? | 22:56 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep | 22:57 |
| fiferboy | :O | 22:57 |
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| wazd | there's only 2 accout options, gt and aim :( | 22:59 |
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| javispedro | wtf | 22:59 |
| javispedro | svn over sshfs filesystem mounted on tablet | 22:59 |
| javispedro | ignores local changes | 22:59 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:02 |
| javispedro | okay, source is at http://svn.javispedro.com/jaz/trunk/ | 23:03 |
| javispedro | I consistently get ~6.2s on a N810 | 23:03 |
| javispedro | (note: do not expect a full vm. the java bytecode to run is hardcoded. ) | 23:04 |
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| javispedro | well, at least what ARM says is true: "Jazelle enabled VMs can achieve similar performance to compiler VMs using small memory footprint. " | 23:07 |
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| woglinde | nice work javis | 23:08 |
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| javispedro | try it on your device if you dare ;) | 23:08 |
| javispedro | you can run it as "nobody" finely | 23:08 |
| glass | javispedro: nice | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | wazd: what're you running? | 23:10 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Pre emu | 23:10 |
| woglinde | jaffa plam-pre/wbeos emu | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Ah. On desktop? | 23:11 |
| wazd | yep | 23:11 |
| javispedro | hm, jaz doesn't build on scratchbox, will fix | 23:14 |
| johnsq | javispedro: the arm java bytecode support, is only for java or more general? | 23:15 |
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| woglinde | javis hm whats the error in scratchbox? | 23:16 |
| javispedro | johnsq, java bytecode. so if you get python to compile to java bytecode, it'll "accelerate" its integer operations too | 23:17 |
| javispedro | woglinde, Error: bad instruction `ldm sp,{fp,sp,pc}' | 23:17 |
| javispedro | which is not true since lenny's arm assembler translated it fine | 23:17 |
| thopiekar | bb | 23:17 |
| johnsq | javispedro: I have own compiler / bytecode language. but I don't like the java byte code | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | johnsq, then you don't want jazelle dbx at all | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | fixed, seems older version of gnu as expect ldmia instead of bare ldm | 23:21 |
| javispedro | brb 1 hour or so | 23:22 |
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| woglinde | yes | 23:23 |
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