IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-06-15

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kkrustyis there a way to control  canola with a symbian phone?00:31
timeless_mbpuse rhapsody/rhapsody remote instead :)00:33
kkrustytimeless_mbp: cool! thanks00:33
kkrustysome things are just beyond google ya know00:33
timeless_mbpkkrusty: you need to be in the US :(00:34
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kkrustytimeless_mbp: for what?00:34
timeless_mbpto use rhapsody00:35
kkrustyreally? why is that?00:35
timeless_mbpthey're a company00:35
timeless_mbpand they license music00:35
timeless_mbpthe groups they license music from are annoying :)00:36
kkrustyoh right! I thought it was just a media player00:36
kkrustytimeless_mbp: just like hulu then eh?00:36
timeless_mbpcloser to these days00:36
timeless_mbpsince hulu is Video00:36
timeless_mbpand rhaspdoy is Music00:36
kkrustyI havent used much TBH00:37
timeless_mbpbut yeah, if you want to do hulu:video::rhapsody:music00:37
timeless_mbpit works00:37
timeless_mbpi've only used in the US00:37
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kkrustyand they wonder why people pirate00:37
* timeless_mbp doesn't00:37
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prahalIf I try something up to date for n770 (yes I still only own this model) what is the best optioin (not the safe one) : 2006, 2007HE or another one ?00:45
prahalMy main point is to use it as an ebook reader (fbreader) and gps (navit)00:46
prahalotherwise I am seeking bleeding edge for better "interoperability" (as in better connection manager, fuse fs)00:47
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jophishcan maemo use the mer kernel?01:19
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smackpotati might of bricked my machine04:04
smackpotatit shuts of 30 seconds after being pluged in04:04
smackpotati was playing with boot menu04:05
smackpotatany takers04:05
johnxreflash and/or try disabling lifeguard reset with the linux flasher04:12
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gtbok, i'm trying to come up with ways of getting shell access to my screenless 77004:36
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gtbi made a custom root image that loads g_ether, and I can ping the device04:37
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gtbi tried to run a ssh server, but i can't connect to it, don't know why04:37
Macerno more brooms for harry potter. now its all about death horses04:38
gtbis there a way to set up a bluetooth console?04:38
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Maceryou know what harry potter lacks... excitement04:39
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derfNonsense. It has quidditch.04:41
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sombrahi, anyone is Brazilian ?04:44
GeneralAntillesBrazilians are presumably.04:45
b-man16it doesn't come out right in xchat XD04:48
sombraok, i don't speak english very well, so i try explain my problem04:49
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GeneralAntillessombra, more seriously, yes, there are usually some Brazilians in here, but they tend to be 9-to-5ers04:49
EdLinI just got Nokia M-4 speakers for my n810, anyone else have these; have comments?04:50
EdLiner, MD-404:51
sombrai am trying install maemo sdk, but the script failed to fetch some archives and the script exit. How do i resume installation ?04:55
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tehforumLively chat.05:20
Brian`indeed XD05:20
tehforumPokerHt is an awesome appp05:20
tehforumits great05:20
tehforumalmost like the facebook poker app05:21
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Brian`sweet :)05:22
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tehforumi think; its like 3am05:23
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tehforumsuper mario war is interesting05:24
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tehforumit needs a bluetooth keyboard to make it work how it should05:25
Brian`it's 10:25 pm here05:25
tehforumyou can use the normal dpad05:25
tehforumbut, its rubbish05:25
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Brian`whare are you?05:26
* Brian` is in ohio, us05:26
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Brian`hay lcuk05:27
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LinuxCodeBrian`, its 3:28 am in the UK05:28
LinuxCodeI doubt lcuk is awake05:28
LinuxCodesaying that, he didnt seem to time out05:29
Brian`he is05:29
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LinuxCodehe pmd me05:35
LinuxCodei know05:36
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prahalhi is there a  mean to access the maemo ML archives ? the pipermail links are broken07:27
prahalthat s the forum , isn't it?  I am looking for a particalur thread of the dev ML07:32
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prahalnm it seems from the google cache that what I was looking after is not possible (changing the boot commandline to see if in vesa the screen was corrupted07:34
bergieprahal: that "forum" is mailing list archives imported into forum software07:42
prahalah thanks07:43
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MarkBaoHey. Is the n810 = n810 wimax edition, save for wimax support?08:43
MarkBaoin terms of specs08:43
timeless_mbpit should be08:48
timeless_mbpit probably weighs a bit more :)08:48
timeless_mbpoh, and it's slightly deeper08:48
timeless_mbpbecause of the antenna08:48
* Jaffa could get used to this business class flying malarkey08:52
JaffaFree breakfast in the BA lounge. Free wifi.08:52
prahalis there an maemo based nokia without  hardware keyboard on sale on nokia store (I already checked for france, and even n810 with hardware keyb is not available anymore08:52
Jaffaprahal: No. The N800 is discontinued08:53
JaffaWhy do you want one without the keyboard? Even if you don't use it, the N810 (with keyboard) is smaller than the N800 (without keyboard)08:53
prahalI asked because I checked on amazon and the price is 100 euros higher than the last price of the n810 on nokia store france08:54
prahaltoo expansive this way (I would have accepted the keyb if only the price had not risen so much08:55
prahalcause my 770 seems dead for real  this time (screen corruption)08:55
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prahalJaffa, the point is more the weight . I plan to use it as a car mutlimedia/gps system (and I already own a bluetooth gps)08:59
Stskeepsn810 comes with carmount though :P09:00
prahalexcept for the weight , I expected it would be cheaper09:00
Stskeepsand has excellent screen in the sun09:00
Luke-JrStskeeps: grr, N810 does not really come with a carmount09:00
Stskeepsit doesn't? :P09:00
Luke-Jrthat's just false advertising09:00
Luke-Jrit comes with a frame and you need to buy the real mount seperate09:01
Stskeepswell what do i know, my n810 package wasn't exactly virgin09:01
Luke-Jrprahal: grab a SmartQ ;)09:01
Luke-JrStskeeps: you got a real mount?!09:01
StskeepsLuke-Jr: nah, i think some pieces are missing09:02
StskeepsLuke-Jr: i wouldn't like a smartq as gps though, screen is too reflective09:02
* Luke-Jr wants a mount, but doesn't want to spend $ :þ09:02
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prahalStskeeps, the smartq 5 or 7 (or both are too reflective). I finally found n810 at its old nokia store price ... was not easy09:50
Stskeepsprahal: i haven't tried a q7 but 7 isn't very car sized09:51
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Stskeepsmorning timeless_mbp10:03
timeless_mbpit's sleepy time10:03
timeless_mbpwe have a two hour presentation10:03
timeless_mbpso it's sleepy time10:03
timeless_mbpalternatively, what can i do for mer this morning?10:03
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Stskeepsi was looking at the new fremantle beta strings and they're saner than the first ones in terms that they actually say what it's for, and only have one-two !! strings10:04
Stskeepsand have a free license10:04
timeless_mbpok, i clearly owe someone a fancy dinner10:04
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Stskeepsthat some of it might still be engineering english is something else10:05
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Stskeepsbut there's string descriptions and all there10:05
timeless_mbpthat i can't easily be sued for replacing them makes my life so much better10:05
timeless_mbpin general, from my experience you don't want to read the string descriptions10:06
timeless_mbpfor diablo, i ended up writing my own10:06
timeless_mbpi didn't finish which is why i generally stripped them from the sources i posted10:06
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timeless_mbpanyway... can i update my mer? :)10:25
Stskeepsi have a new 0.14 vmdk that i'm going to release later10:25
timeless_mbpyeah.... but... i prefer to software update10:26
timeless_mbpso i don't have to rebuild my settings :)10:27
Stskeepstrue, but what version are you on?10:27
timeless_mbp0.13 i suspect10:28
timeless_mbplemme finish updating my w7 vm :)10:28
Stskeepsk, try editing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mer.list to be Stable instead of 0.1410:28
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timeless_mbpwhat's w/ the Caps?10:34
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: artefact of OBS project names10:35
Stskeepswe export directly from our builder to the repositories so10:36
Stskeepsso we have Maemo:Mer:Stable (platform) and Maemo:Mer:Stable:HW:N8x0 (n8x0 hw support) for instance10:36
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thuxi can see mp4 video well in my phone, but n800 hardly spin it slowly, tried mediaplayer and mplayer, has phone really more power or is mp4 support more poor in  maemo?11:18
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slonopotamusthux, what resolution?11:21
Stskeepsthux: it might have to scale on n80011:22
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thuxfilmed with cellphone yes11:22
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thuxmust be resolution thing i try smaller picture11:23
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Stskeeps'lo macer11:51
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Macerhi Stskeeps . how goes mer?11:53
prahalargh I found what was wrong with the n770, in  the inside the map between the board and the screen got partially cut by the metal enclosure around the lcd :( dead11:53
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Macerprahal: good. take a hammer to it and save your quraters and get an n800 or n81011:53
prahalMacer, yup already talked about it . Waiting the salary to buy one . Still time to go11:54
StskeepsMacer: 0.14 released just now11:54
Macerprahal: honestly if it were me i would just wait until the newer tablet came out11:54
Macerthen you could probably find an n810 for $511:55
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prahaleh !)11:55
Maceryou have a smartq rebate program?11:56
Macersounds like mer is on the up and up :)11:56
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MacerStskeeps: looks like it's going good12:00
Maceri'm looking at the screenshots now12:00
Stskeepsshould see my presentation linked as well :P12:00
Macerlol. that's you?12:02 has video links yeah12:02
Macerwell. the accent helps haha12:03
Macerif you moved to the US people would take more interest in your work simply because of the accent12:03
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Stskeepsgood or bad? :P12:03
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Macerno. it's a good euro accent. like when you hear a german doctor talking about the holocaust12:04
Macerpowerful power-efficient economical handheld computers?12:05
Macerkind of a bold statement don't you think?12:05
Stskeepsnot really12:05
Stskeepsit's to illustrate the mindset really12:05
Maceri'll give you power-efficient12:05
Stskeepspowerful too, but not 1.8ghz12:05
Stskeepsthey have their purposes12:05
Stskeepsdid you see the 3 hour battery time xp phones? ;)12:06
Macerlol. there's xp phones?12:06
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Macerlike. you don't mean winmob correct? like actual xp?12:06
Stskeepsi mean actual xp12:07
Macerthat sounds like a bad thing from the beginning12:07
MacerStskeeps: you need to find a niche for mer12:08
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Macerin order to make it something more than just another super portable computer12:09
StskeepsMacer: we do have a nice niche really12:09
Macerwhat is it?12:09
Stskeepsmobile devices that aren't just simple mobile phones, but is a computer-in-your-pocket that can last for days12:10
Macerwhat kind of demographic are you looking for though?12:10
Maceri mean for it to be a success you need to adapt it for the masses12:10
Stskeepsoh, i agree12:10
Stskeepsand we're getting there12:10
RST38hmo all12:11
Macerwho is your target audience though?12:11
Macerthe businessman? the common user?12:11
Stskeepsboth really - people get tired of dragging laptops around12:11
Stskeepsoccasionally when i'm on the go, i can look up info i need12:12
Macerpeople can do that on their phones nowadays12:12
Macerit has to be more than just information :) that is the same old thing in a different package12:12
Stskeepsyeah, obviously12:12
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Maceri wish i could code.. but you need something new that will attract people quickly all of a sudden12:12
Stskeepsi have some ideas too but we'll see how they work out once we have a working system12:13
Maceryeah i guess it will be a while. but the problem is you will get symbianitis .. you have to work more on the eye candy so it doesn't start to look like old gtk stuff12:13
Macernokia is losing ground to iphones and g1s because masses like to see animations and motions like they are floating through everything12:14
Maceri think it is some sort of relation to the flying dream. where everybody wishes they could fly12:15
Macerpeople are fascinated by things that hover12:15
Maceri think your best bet would be to concentrate on collaboration ... if you can show that mer can be used to communicate with a mid sized business server in such a way that all the employees can easily access all the work they need using mer you would have a win12:16
Macermaybe exchange or a zimbra connector... then everybody will love walking around with mer run devices :)12:17
jophishdoes maemo use etc/fstab?12:17
StskeepsMacer: if a zimbra connector exists in ubuntu, we have it :P12:20
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cosmohmm.. looks like my n810 _is_ broken. it still does the slow touch screen locking/unlocking and random crashes with no 3rd party apps installed12:36
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aquatixcosmo: meh :(12:37
aquatixi guess you already flashed it?12:38
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cosmoyep, freshly flashed12:38
jophishunder a year old?12:39
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cosmojophish: it's a bit older i think12:51
cosmoless than 2 years though12:51
jophishnokia are obliged to give a one year warranty12:54
jophishmight let you return it12:54
cosmoi got the device via work, no receipt or anything available12:56
cosmoluckily i didn't pay for it :-)12:56
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jophishah, no problems then!13:11
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lcukis everyone keeping up with their 5 a day?13:32
lcukwould i be safe to assume inotify_init(); calls would work on os2008 and above?13:35
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: are you guys ditching network manager?13:37
* timeless_mbp dist-upgrades from 0.13 to Stable13:38
timeless_mbpStskeeps: why does my mer vm have the wrong date?13:38
VDVsxlcuk, this is from which component/package ?13:38
timeless_mbp[1:33pm] <timeless_mbp>13:38
timeless_mbpit thinks today is June 3rd13:38
timeless_mbpalso... my dist-upgrade broke13:38
lcukVDVsx, "kernel"13:38
timeless_mbpgtkhtml0 and gtkhtml3.14 conflict13:38
lcukits a system thing for inotify13:38
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yeah, i'm not sure 0.13->0.14 upgrade works :P13:38
Stskeepswe switched to fremantle newer gtkhtml13:38
Stskeepsit causes funky problems13:38
* timeless_mbp grumbles13:38
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: and because of guest additions13:39
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: no, we're hildonizing it13:39
timeless_mbpso should i give you strings to fix it?13:39
Stskeepsif there's NM problems yeah i guess13:39
Stskeepsi hate its messages13:39
timeless_mbpStskeeps: erm13:42
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timeless_mbpyou're shipping 2gb images again?13:42
VDVsxlcuk, available in > 2.6.13 kernels, then should be in maemo 5 kernel :)13:42
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: the old ones corrupted :/13:42
lcukits available in my n810 im sure13:42
Stskeepsi forgot to fix it13:42
Stskeepsyeah, partition beyond limit13:43
lcukbut i mightv had an upgrade13:43
Stskeepsso ext2/3 slowly corrupted13:43
timeless_mbpyou emulated Nokia?13:43
Stskeepsyes, that happens13:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i thought you said you included vm host support13:44
timeless_mbpvbox isn't any happier w/ this version than the previous13:44
Stskeepsguest additions? no, because we can't do it in that reliable way from the same tar.gz13:45
Stskeepsyou can install it though now (i think)13:45
timeless_mbpthis is x86, right? :)13:48
wazdheya maemo :)13:48
timeless_mbpit wants gnu make13:48
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Stskeepsapt-get install build-essential? :P13:48
timeless_mbpThis system does not seem to have support for OpenGL direct rendering13:51
timeless_mbpit wants kernel headers13:52
Stskeepsit has guide on how to do it13:52
timeless_mbpi think your guide is over prescriptive13:52
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timeless_mbpdoesn't build-essential include gcc?13:53
lcukit should13:53
Stskeepsi didn't write it, but i guess to make bloody sure it gets it installed ;)13:53
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jumpulatimeless_mbp: it depends from g++ which depends from gcc which is a meta package for gcc13:54
jumpulaso yes13:54
timeless_mbpjumpula: xxx please fix wiki for me :)13:54
* Stskeeps fixes it13:54
timeless_mbpyour goal while giving instructions to people victimized by a lack of a working copy+paste13:54
timeless_mbpis to have as few characters for them to type as absolutely necessary13:55
timeless_mbp(actually, this should pretty much *always* be your goal, but ...)13:55
timeless_mbpbtw, why does it say /dev/scd0?13:56
timeless_mbpis that some magical device?13:56
Stskeepsscsi cdrom13:56
jumpulaaha. maemo's build-essential depends from gcc as well in addition to g++.13:56
Stskeeps / sata13:56
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i managed to use /dev/sr0 instead13:57
timeless_mbp(both work here, i tried scd0 right before rebooting)13:57
timeless_mbpscd* is probably a magical alias for a bunch of possibles13:58
timeless_mbpum, my screen seems to be closer to 800x48013:58
* RST38h ywans13:58
timeless_mbpand that means the default launcher doesn't fit :)13:58
RST38hi.e. yawns13:58
timeless_mbpwant picture?13:59
Stskeepseverything should fit on 800x480 :P13:59
RST38hSts: And in 640kB13:59
timeless_mbpok, i guess my screen isn't actually 480 talk14:00
timeless_mbpbut it's whatever the system picked :)14:00
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: can you do me a favour and xrandr?14:00
Stskeepsand see what current resolution is14:01
Stskeepsyeah.. the launcher is hardcoded14:02
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Stskeepsi've thought about making it fit screen entirely actually14:02
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wazd <- n800, 2 years later :)14:07
RST38hwazd: where is dpad? =)~~14:07
timeless_mbpRST38h: those don't go well w/ glass :)14:08
Stskeepsmore importantly14:08
wazdRST38h: well, it was lost in the sands of time :)14:08
Stskeepsany keyboard? :P14:08
wazdRST38h: it appears that we were sitting in the crowd of top russian bloggers yesterday :D14:08
wazdRST38h: like Anton Nosik :)14:09
RST38hwazd: Shit, should have stolen his kipa14:09
wazdRST38h: yep, I didn't recognized him without it :)14:09
RST38hwazd: And they were *literally* performing sexual favors for food =)14:10
timeless_mbpany idea why the vm offers me a hebrew keyboard?14:10
RST38hit is trying to tell you something14:11
timeless_mbpalso, the uppercase J in the virtual keyboard is disturbing14:11
timeless_mbpdid someone forget to tell it that the baseline applies to it too?14:11
timeless_mbpoh, and the Shit key on the left side of the keyboard is probably not a good idea14:12
timeless_mbpi mean, i know that competing w/ Nokia is fun, but really14:12
aquatixghehe, Shit key14:12
timeless_mbpaquatix: it helps to remind people that messing around with gutters is a bad idea14:15
timeless_mbpthe VPN tab of connection manager of course doesn't fit14:16
aquatixawful :)14:16
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: should really be a icon14:16
timeless_mbpStskeeps: font vector character14:17
timeless_mbpbut yes14:17
timeless_mbpit should be a glyph14:17
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timeless_mbpthe show home plugin is too wide and unadorned14:27
timeless_mbpthe task launcher got a bit confused14:29
timeless_mbpi just clicked on 'mer'14:32
timeless_mbpand then it started running from my selectio... internet .. communication.. utilities .. settings ... .... ... my selection ...14:32
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jophish!lastseen Shadow_X15:05
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KayDeeEeJoni'd like the keylock to trigger a device lock (i.e. need to enter unlock code).15:10
KayDeeEeJonis there an easy way to do that?15:10
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: want access to our sprintweb so you can add some of the quirks?15:30
Stskeepsto the backlog15:30
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RST38hToo quiet here16:34
VDVsx~burn himself16:35
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VDVsxbahh infobot is also dead/stupid :P16:36
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GAN800This is going to be a fun morning for me. . . .16:45
* GAN800 sighs at understaffing.16:45
X-FadeGAN800: Lack of coffee? :)16:45
Stskeepsthe new bible translation came out?16:45
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GAN800The Jackass's Guide to the Bible16:46
GAN800I'm practically the only person here.16:46
Stskeepsthank god for tablets16:47
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GAN800X-Fade, I don't drink coffee. ;)16:47
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X-FadeGAN800: Used tea bags then? :P16:48
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Stskeeps'lo andrewfblack16:48
andrewfblackHello Stskeeps16:49
GAN800X-Fade, a bowl of hearty oatmeal. :P16:50
X-FadeFibers++ :)16:50
GAN800and a glass of roadside Florida orange juice.16:50
GAN800Because you aint had orange juice until you've had Florida roadside.16:51
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RST38hNew device to connect to a tablet:
Stskeepswhat on earth is that17:01
RST38hA motion controller17:01
RST38hShould look like a mouse to the host computer17:02
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RichiHRST38h: neat17:27
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wazd <- I think I just got hot17:34
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: as long as it doesn't require a login :)17:40
wazdRST38h: <- hehehe :)17:41
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: does http auth count?17:43
timeless_mbpif it requires a username/password i'm not happy :)17:43
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Stskeepsi just ask it to save the login/password in firefox personally and it works transparently from there17:43
Stskeepslemme just add you so you can see otherwise :P17:43
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roopethe E72 is a very nice piece of HW. My coworker has been testing it for a month or so.17:47
RST38hwazd: How familiar =)17:47
RST38hwazd: It isn't a smartphone though, so who cares17:48
roopeStrange sad-Brokeback Mountain music on the E72 youtube video. :)17:48
RST38hroope: what is that "optical sensor" stuff somebody at itt was talking about?17:49
RST38has in dpad being optical17:49
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Stskeeps4 ambient sensors maybe?17:51
zakharyany news if OSP will update Flash for n810 in it's lifetime?17:54
zakharyopen screen project17:54
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rooperst38h: yes, there's an optical sensor in there. It detects basic finger movements and gestures with it.17:55
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roopeI.e.  you swipe your finger downwards on top of the dpad, it can detect this gesture and scroll downwards.17:55
roopeOr it also detects hovering your finger on top of it.17:55
roope(swipe without pressing the button down, naturally)17:56
timeless_mbpzakhary: and what's 'Flash'?17:56
zakharyAdobe Flash player17:56
roopeThe surface of the E72 feels really nice, although the pictures don't perhaps convey it very well.17:56
zakharyYLE areena just stopped working as they moved from windows media to flash :/17:57
zakharyand before you ask, YLE is the finnish BBC17:57
lcukroope, so i gather by this detection stuff its gonna go bonkers when i reach and grab the device :O18:00
lcukor when the sun changes from light to dark18:00
lcuk(well - goes from light to shadow)18:01
zakharyno news? :/18:02
suihkulokkizakhary: hey, even with my laptop the new areena stream looks like a slideshow..18:02
wazdI think it's a simple touchpad, not an optical sensor18:02
timeless_mbpzakhary: i live in .fi18:03
timeless_mbpwhich i believe my hostmask clearly indicates....18:03
zakharyat least the audio only should work18:03
timeless_mbpzakhary: i'm confused though18:03
wazdcause this center button is absolutely opaque18:03
zakharytimeless_mbp: sorry, negledget to notice18:03
wazdeven on highres press photos18:04
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timeless_mbphow precisely would an 'open' anything project be able to provide any version of Flash?18:04
timeless_mbpFlash is a commercial product for which vendors typically have to pay a licensing fee18:04
timeless_mbp(it's also, I believe a trademark)18:04
zakharyI really don't know much about it18:05
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timeless_mbpoh, that's one of those adobe things :)18:05
zakharybut that's where my googling led me to, when I was looking for an answer to the question of a new Flash player18:05
* timeless_mbp wonders if that was the thing that nokia couldn't figure out how to spell a while ago18:05
zakharyand I don't know how open that project really is18:06
timeless_mbpzakhary: ah yes18:06
RST38hroope: Is does the sensor replace the real arrow buttons or just add to them?18:06
timeless_mbpit was the Open Screen Foundation Fund or fund18:06
timeless_mbpand Nokia had no clue about whether it was Fund or fund18:07
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timeless_mbpit was quite depressing18:07
timeless_mbpsince Nokia doesn't even know the proper name for it18:07
xnt14~seen b-man1618:07
timeless_mbpi think it's safe to say that Nokia doesn't know anything else about it either :)18:07
infobotb-man16 is currently on #maemo (15h 39m 52s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 13h 19m 11s, last said: 'it doesn't come out right in xchat XD'.18:07
b-man16hay xnt1418:07
xnt14last day of school :D18:07
zakharynot much hope in getting a new flash player from there then, I guess18:07
b-man16sweet :D18:07
xnt14 :)18:08
xnt14added mer logo18:08
johnsqLuke-Jr: cx3110x didn't compile clean with ebuild, i patched it.18:08
b-man16awesome :)18:08
* xnt14 opens a pm window before GA bans him18:09
timeless_mbpzakhary: hrm18:10
timeless_mbpso, if you're a member18:10
timeless_mbpyou can royalty free ship some future version of the player18:10
timeless_mbpgot a few million or billion dollars? :)18:10
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* xnt14 's school pays alot of money for a t1 line and it get bogged down by thousands of kids trying to dl music from limewire18:11
xnt14its stupid18:11
zakharyheh, not right now18:11
lcukxnt14, simple answer then, close your limewire client18:11
lcukand everyone else will be happier as well18:11
timeless_mbpzakhary: maybe next year?18:11
xnt14lcuk: I don't use limewire18:11
lcukwhich do you use?18:12
timeless_mbpzakhary: when you change your mind,
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timeless_mbp(actually, it's more of a wallet change, but...)18:12
zakharymaybe, or maybe I'll buy a new mediapad/minilaptop/internetphone18:13
timeless_mbpbased on the initial fund value of 10 million USD18:14
timeless_mbpyou should be able to join for 1 million :)18:14
timeless_mbpquite a bargain, i'm sure :)18:14
timeless_mbpsorry... just because something has 'open' in its name doesn't mean it isn't simply 'open for business' :)18:15
johnsqopen means it sucks18:15
johnsqfree means it rocks18:15
timeless_mbpjohnsq: it sucks lots of money out of someone's pocket!18:15
timeless_mbpfree means it's rocky18:15
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timeless_mbpheavy mineral content, mildly caustic, generally explosive18:16
zakharyso please give me a new Flash player yesterday18:16
RST38hNeither word means anything, when dealing with corporate communications18:16
timeless_mbpRST38h: aww, you're jaded18:16
timeless_mbpi guess that's a kind of minear18:16
* RST38h is realistic18:17
zakharytime to head home ->18:17
timeless_mbpthat's you :)18:17
RST38hHehe, Peter says there are plans to show the prototypes to a few members of the Maemo community for a review18:21
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leachim6where can I find a HUGE list of os2006 sources18:22
leachim6at one time...18:22
leachim6I found a site that had all of them18:22
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Luke-Jrjohnsq: the latest one does :þ18:23
Luke-Jrjohnsq: slono got to it first18:23
johnsqLuke-Jr: i have run layman -S18:23
wazdRST38h: thoughtfix'n'stuff, I'm sure)18:24
johnsqLuke-Jr: I mean i have update to use the latest ebuild.18:24
RST38hwazd: yea, I kinda doubt we are on the list :)18:24
fiferboylbt: We have git branches18:25
leachim6where can I find the most completely list of os2006 sources? at one point I found a site that had all of them18:25
johnsqLuke-Jr: cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src/Makefile -include $(PWD)/Makefile.k26 +include $(SUBDIRS)/Makefile.k2618:25
johnsqLuke-Jr: I got no target for Makefile.k26 as error.18:26
johnsqnot sure if my patch is correct, but it works=compiles after this18:27
Luke-Jrit just built clean here..18:27
leachim6I found it18:27
leachim6it was on my delicious18:27
johnsqLuke-Jr: it wanted to run /usr/src/linux/Makefile.k26 which I didn't have on the n81018:28
wazdxnt14: you have wrong description of Mer on your site18:28
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xnt14wazd: what should I put then?18:29
wazdxnt14: Mer isn't written by Stskeeps, it's administrated by him :)18:29
xnt14oh yeah, :P xD18:29
Stskeepsi'm just a faciliator, every contributor owns mer :P18:30
xnt14ok fixed18:30
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xnt14and the mockups page is up, with my (old) crappy mockup18:31
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wazdMer logo is copirighted under CC license18:31
xnt14wazd: also the mockup uses your mer logo18:31
wazdnot by Stskeeps18:31
xnt14oh ok :P thanks18:31
xnt14ill fix that too :P18:31
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lcukmake sure you make a note of that "all suggested fixes are (C) wazd"18:32
wazdlcuk: :D18:32
wazdlcuk: and "this message is (c) lcuk" :D18:33
lcukunless wazd puts em to public domain18:33
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leachim6where can I get gainroot for os2006?18:34
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lcuk_[c]2009that will do18:34
lcuk_[c]2009every posting i make now lol18:34
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thopiekarlcuk: can you remember the name of the site of the opengl-bypass? the headers you know..18:34
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lcukopengl pypass?18:35
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lcukliqbase you mean?18:35
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* lcuk mmmmmmm pypass18:35
xnt14_[c]09*this ":P" instance is copyrighted to xnt1418:35
xnt14_[c]09*this "xD" instance is copyrighted to xnt1418:35
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thopiekarno we talk about the problem that diablo-env hasn't got opengl headers and you send me a site with headers which are preparing these opengl callbacks.. software-acceleration ..18:37
xnt14lcuk, wazd: look at the footer xD18:38
* xnt14 's tech class is watching wall-e in class for the last day of school, and evryone is saying "hey you're on TV" xD18:40
xnt14if you don't understand then disregard :P18:40
xnt14I think only lcuk, Stskeeps, and b-man16 would understand :P18:40
xnt14<div id="menu_hr"></div>18:42
xnt14oops sorry wrong window :P18:43
lcukxnt14, your use of my copyright material without authorization is liable to massive fines, expect black helicopters circling18:43
xnt14so wazd's corrections are copyrighted?18:44
* lcuk has patent pending upon "method of copyrighting copyright alterations...over the internet"18:44
xnt14im back18:45
xnt14damn :P18:45
xnt14wait, I didn't use lcuk-sitev2 code in my site, I used xnt-site-graphiurev2 code, so I didn't use your patent :P18:46
xnt14yup I use graphiure on my site18:46
xnt14well you guys don't know what graphiure is :P18:46
lcukwe dont know what most of the stuff you say is, so its not much different :P18:47
xnt14well, only b-man would know18:47
Luke-Jrjohnsq: you're supposed to? :þ18:49
Luke-Jrjohnsq: did you install kernel sources?18:49
xnt14ok g2g for now, have to get to class, ill be back in 42mins18:49
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johnsqLuke-Jr: yes diablo sources with ebuild18:49
Luke-Jrjohnsq: you ran 'make prepare'? ;)18:50
johnsqLuke-Jr: no18:50
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johnsqLuke-Jr: never used prepare, used make def_something, and then make ; make modules, complete kernel compiles fine18:52
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johnsqLuke-Jr: make prepare seems to have done it. it now compiles.19:21
johnsqLuke-Jr: I have made "make prepare" in the kernel tree and than installed cx3110x which now worked.19:23
johnsqstill didn't know what prepare makes.19:25
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_mohi @all19:25
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_moI successfully installed maemo sdk 4.1.2 on ubuntu 9.04, but if I start xephyr + and click on the programs-butten in the navigation bar I get a segmentation fault from xephyr19:37
_moI am missing something?19:37
* timeless_mbp chuckles19:37
Stskeeps_mo: there's a guide on xephyr problems afaik19:38
Stskeepson jaunty19:38
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_mook thx19:40
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xnt14~seen b-man1619:46
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 37m 32s ago, saying: 'awesome :)'.19:46
xnt14~seen qwerty1219:46
infobotqwerty12 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 28m 47s ago, saying: 'So, why would I have a need for it? :)'.19:46
xnt14~seen qwerty12_N81019:46
infobotqwerty12_n810 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 54m 21s ago, saying: 'yes, and like ShadowJK said, the internal flash is compressed. your sd card is not'.19:46
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xnt14not here :P19:46
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jophish~seen shadow__x19:50
infobotshadow__x <n=Good@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 15h 32m 10s ago, saying: 'i rather use carman with my n810 but if am leaning towards the scangauge'.19:50
jophish~seen shadow_x19:50
infobotshadow_x <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 423d 12h 21m 14s ago, saying: 'RapidZF, BurnAware Free Edition'.19:50
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VDVsxinfobot, die19:51
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.19:51
Myrtti/msg nickserv info <nickname>19:51
jophishVDVsx, have you seen the bot in #fpc, It's very good19:52
VDVsxjophish, no :), what fpc stands for ?19:53
jophishfree pascal compiler19:53
jophishfpcBot uses phrases said in chat to reply to you19:53
VDVsxjophish, so is a pascal bot ? :P19:53
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VDVsxjophish, our infobot is just stupid :), lol19:55
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* thopiekar managed to get mixxx working without opengl :D20:51
thopiekarthe time is there for a DJ-ing program on your tablets :P20:51
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RST38hthopiekar: aka "scratch your screen blind" =)20:57
thopiekarhehe .. I have a screenprotector on it..20:58
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wazdCaaptain Obvious has captured the forum :D21:04
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thopiekarwazd: !?21:06
wazdto make an app that will adjust brightness of the screen with light sensor :D21:07
thopiekarwhy and how has he captured the forum ? :P21:07
thopiekarwould be great on N800*s using the webcam..21:08
qwerty12_N800the feature  sucks imho, i keep it disabled...21:08
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RST38hwebcam would be a good idea yes21:20
RST38hMeanwhile, my favorite netbook runs Moblin now: :)21:20
StskeepsGAN800: you were from florida?21:20
RST38hGoing to cause permanent neck injury too21:21
keesjRST38h: funny concept21:25
keesjthat screen does multi-touch?21:26
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keesjguess not21:29
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RST38hkeesj: not really21:37
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lcukRST38h, those are cool, but for the fact i am a leftie!22:03
lcukhave you seen the others with a touchscreen top and centre22:03
lcukor maybe its just info22:03
lcukthats basically where my tablet sits when hacking - between kb and monitor :)22:03
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lbtMy Diablo keeps saying "(!) USB device not supported"22:06
lbtnothing plugged in...22:06
RST38hlcuk: just rotate it upside down :)22:07
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ShadowJKI know a guy who stuck his tongue into nokia pop-port, the phone beeped and said "unsupported device" at him :-(22:07
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* RST38h is also a leftie but does not mind: neither left nor right side is perfect for the screen anyway22:08
mavhcI plugged nokia headset supplied with nokia phone into nokia phone and got unsupported device22:08
* RST38h can't even plug new nokia headsets into E7022:09
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mavhcmy phones a sony erricson, so the accessory connection is lame22:09
lcukRST38h, my keyboard gets dusty crap all over it22:10
lcuki would screw up a flat screen anywhere near22:10
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GAN800Stskeeps, born and raised.22:13
RST38hlcuk: I am afraid this one will collect even more crap, look at those slits under the keys22:14
lcuki only took a passing glance22:14
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VDVsxGAN800, there will be a very cool conference (at least for me :) ) in your area in end of September22:17
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Stskeepsandrewfblack: prod22:17
RST38hVirgin appears to have broken up finally22:17
GAN800ew, Orlando. :P22:18
RST38h"Virgin to Offer Unlimited DRM-Free MP3s For a Flat Monthly Rate" ($20)22:18
GAN800VDVsx, just don't think for a second that that Disneyfied hellhole is repressentative of the state at large. :D22:18
RST38hAlthough there will probabyly be strings attached22:18
ShadowJKand regional restrictions :-)22:18
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VDVsxGAN800, far away from you ?22:19
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* RST38h been to Melbourne, FL. No idea how "real" FL it is though22:19
VDVsxGAN800, I know you guys have states bigger than my country :P22:19
GAN800VDVsx, nah, pretty close. A little over an hour away. I'm in the Tampa Bay area.22:20
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GAN800RST38h, pretty much anything is better than Orlando.22:21
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lbtI thought orlando was a theme park?22:21
RST38hGAN: Only was in Orland for long enough to rent a car22:21
RST38hGAN: Wanted a compact, mortally insulted the rental clerk by asking for a Nissan, had to accept Sebring instead =)22:22
GAN800lbt, basically.22:23
GAN800it's Disney and Universal.22:23
GAN800Disney mostly owns the city.22:23
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fiferboylbt: Checked out gitorious lately?22:25
lbtheh, been chatting to gnuton22:26
lbtit's getting there...22:26
lbtneed to do a pull22:26
fiferboyMy qemu compile didn't go anywhere22:26
fiferboyNot because of the linker, something went wrong with my chroot, I think.22:27
fiferboyI can't actually run chroot on the directory anymore.  I think I will have to start over22:28
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lbtas root : qemu-binfmt-conf.sh22:29
fiferboyThat did it!22:30
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lbtfiferboy: have you tried merging all the branches? :(22:38
fiferboyNo.  I haven't done a pull yet22:38
fiferboyNot working?22:38
lbtsome conflicts.... not looked at it yet22:39
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fiferboylbt: When you are working locally, do you pull all the branches to your local master, or create a separate branch for each of them locally?22:52
lbtgit checkout -b merging22:52
lbtto make a merge branch locally22:52
lbtgit merge origin/hildon-desktop22:52
lbtto merge remote branches into it22:53
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fiferboyGot it, thanks22:53
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