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| mib_9fs00m | HI ROOM | 00:23 |
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| Jaffa | Hello mib_9fs00m | 00:23 |
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| mib_9fs00m | does anyone know if the n810 will have hardware accleration, ever ! | 00:24 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: depends on for what | 00:24 |
| jonrafkind | has anyone set up scratchbox to work with maemo? when I run af-sb-init.sh I get errors about missing files | 00:25 |
| mib_9fs00m | for web browser, and watching vidoes | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: there is no such thing as hardware accelerated browsers | 00:25 |
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| luke-jr | and I'm pretty sure video is already as accelerated as the hardware supports | 00:25 |
| mib_9fs00m | ofcourse there is, look at the iphone | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | … | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: what about iCrapPhone | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | it has a browser, yes, but not accelerated in any way AFAIK | 00:26 |
| mib_9fs00m | nokia have disabled the power VR chip | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | browsers are inherently software | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | PowerVR has nothing to do with browsers | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | nor is it disabled, just not supported by Linux | 00:26 |
| mib_9fs00m | have you read the forums | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The iPhone uses h/w acceleration for zooming *effects* but it's not core to the browser | 00:27 |
| mib_9fs00m | come on, you beed hardware accel, to have nice user experince | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: As luke-jr says, it's not been disabled - it's just not got any drivers (subtle difference ;-)) | 00:27 |
| mib_9fs00m | n810 sucks | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: yes, it does, but not due to lack of 3D | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | N810 never advertised 3D | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | nobody has any reason to expect it | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The next device has got working 3D accel | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | N810's suck comes from lack of GPS and a crappy keyboard ;) | 00:28 |
| mib_9fs00m | why it always the next device, this chip can support 3d | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: hire someone to write a driver | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: See (OTTOMH) http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_Justification and its "Talk:" page | 00:29 |
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| mib_9fs00m | nokia wont relase the hardware | 00:29 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, i beg to differ, the n810 is a fucking shit hot super machine! and my liqbase proves its no slouch | 00:29 |
| mib_9fs00m | its locked | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | Nokia can't release the drivers | 00:29 |
| mib_9fs00m | oh hi lcuk | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: if the drivers exist, Nokia could | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | GPL license guarantees that right | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Not in a GPL-compatible way they can't | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | (and it's unstable IIRC) | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | ok, correction, if Nokia got drivers from TI | 00:30 |
| mib_9fs00m | does anyone in the UK want brandnew n810, for 80 pounds | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | I suppose if Nokia wrote them under NDA, there's a problem | 00:31 |
| mib_9fs00m | i used it 2 times | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll take it for 50 USD :þ | 00:31 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 00:31 |
| lcuk | yeah give me £80 and ill take it off your hands | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll let you use my patent if you want to buy a SmartQ ;) | 00:31 |
| mib_9fs00m | im selling it for 80gbp, this device is really crap | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | it's not worth 80gbp | 00:32 |
| mib_9fs00m | i hate it | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | oh, GBP is worth less than I thought now | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | hum, 128 USD not too bad | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | but I'd rather get a SmartQ at this point | 00:32 |
| mib_9fs00m | im never buying nokia again | 00:33 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, so whats your wet dream then, what device manages to capture your attention more | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I will only consider it after careful review | 00:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | pandora | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | ok, can you buy one now? | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | eg, building my own firmware from scratch sources | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Pandora isn't any better, last I heard | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: I've heard poor things about the performance on scrolling, so it's not as much of a step-up as you'd think :( | 00:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | really | 00:33 |
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| luke-jr | Jaffa: it's not the hardware, it's because it's open | 00:34 |
| mib_9fs00m | n810 is the worst device ive seen in along time | 00:34 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, what do you like about the pandora - last i heard it had kind of a bland experience | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Pandora - if it evers ships - may well have better hardware (it *is* 3 years later), but the s/w will be ropey unless you just want to play games | 00:34 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: if I could get GPS usable, I would probably be decently satisfied with my N810 for its generation | 00:35 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Unless it's a video bandwidth issue | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | heh, N810 factory software sucks too, big deal | 00:35 |
| mib_9fs00m | yes but it will be devolped. to high standard hopefully | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: what does video bandwidht have to do with it? | 00:35 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol, n810 sucks, period | 00:35 |
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| * luke-jr is not interested in factory software, just wants to run a normal OS (Gentoo) | 00:36 | |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Mine's not too bad now; it's just a case of remembering to enable it before I need it and ensuring supld's not crashed | 00:36 |
| mib_9fs00m | nokia are the fucking piss out of us | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: OOTB Maemo doesn't suck too much (under the covers, anyway) - lots of work on power mgmt | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: I'm at ~12 hours TTFF right now | 00:37 |
| Jaffa | Not that it's always good enough | 00:37 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Using A-GPS? | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | AGPS doesn't work with hacked gpsdriver | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr doesn't believe in AGPS because it uses gconf | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | and unhacked gpsdriver is screwed up too much to work on anything but stupid Maemo | 00:37 |
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| mib_9fs00m | Maemo is pile of crap too | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: like I said, get a SmartQ and use my patent with it:) | 00:37 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Right, so you break the s/w and then blame the GPS. Hmm... | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: no, I didn't break anything | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | the s/w is broken | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | it won't even RUN without the hacks | 00:38 |
| mib_9fs00m | this device is seriously rubbish | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: do you see my SmartQ suggestion? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | donate to someone who can actually use it | 00:38 |
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| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: If you just want to troll, perhaps you could redirect to /dev/null? | 00:39 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: actually, I'll donate to a fund to have your N810 donated to a serious kernel developer | 00:39 |
| mib_9fs00m | what about my 200gbp | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you paid 200gbp? ripof | 00:39 |
| mib_9fs00m | yes | 00:39 |
| lcuk | what comparable product could you purchase right now would satisfy you | 00:40 |
| tank-man | you paid that much recently ? | 00:40 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll donate 20gbp to have your N810 go to a serious kernel dev | 00:40 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: find a few more people willing to do the same ☺ | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Send it back to the retailer if you bought it online <14 days ago (Distance Selling Regulations 2000) | 00:40 |
| mib_9fs00m | iphone, atleast it has 3d hardware enabled, and everyhing else, the omap was designed to do | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | actually, maybe I should be petitioning Nokia to donate one to a kernel dev | 00:41 |
| lcuk | yes, are you a developer? | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Loads of kernel devs got 770s, N800s and N810s (or were at least offered) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | do you use linux and open source methods to build with normally, or are you an objective c kinda guy | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | Alan Cox had one, for example | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: then why doesn't it work? :/ | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | "it"? | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: Linux-OMAP on N810 is unusable | 00:42 |
| mib_9fs00m | lcuk, do you know anything about the 3d hardware in the n810 | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: the keyboard especially is screwed | 00:42 |
| lcuk | no but i really dont think it needs it to have an enjoyable user experience | 00:43 |
| mib_9fs00m | how can you say that, | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: That's demonstrably false, since I'm using it right now ;-) | 00:43 |
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| luke-jr | Jaffa: you are? how? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | at this point i would be happy saying its about as fast as it can be | 00:43 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: I posted to the ML about it and all I got was another guy confirming | 00:43 |
| lcuk | using the powervr would at best give an rgb image | 00:43 |
| mib_9fs00m | lcuk, you are wrong | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | Sub-optimal, perhaps; but Nokia are in the top 10 kernel contributors (according to LWN analysis) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | that would suffer from tearing | 00:44 |
| lcuk | liqbase does not | 00:44 |
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| luke-jr | Jaffa: well, I'm building rc8 now, maybe it was fixed recently? | 00:44 |
| luke-jr | though I didn't see it in shortlog | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Maemo's based on Linux-OMAP; or do you mean the current HEAD? | 00:44 |
| lcuk | so best case scenario would be a lower resolution RGB mode going over the bus etc, but still around 20% more bandwidth than mine | 00:44 |
| mib_9fs00m | luck can you devolp are driver, | 00:45 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: current HEAD | 00:45 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: Maemo's kernel is 3 years old or so | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Loads of OMAP2 support was removed IIRC | 00:45 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 00:45 |
| luke-jr | why the heck would they remove it? | 00:45 |
| mib_9fs00m | liqbase is really impressive, | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Ask the linux-omap maintainer? | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: anyhow, the drivers are there, just broken | 00:46 |
| mib_9fs00m | what do you mean broken | 00:46 |
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| luke-jr | the Shift keys and fghjvbnm don't press | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: not talking about 3D | 00:46 |
| mib_9fs00m | ok sorry | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | I honestly don't care about 3D | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | I don't even use 3D on my desktop machine | 00:47 |
| mib_9fs00m | you dont know what 3d is | 00:47 |
| dieb_ | How to remove a wrong package upload to maemo extras devel ? | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: useless eye candy | 00:47 |
| mib_9fs00m | if you had no hardware accelration, you coudnt even browse the web smoothly | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: nonsense | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | dieb_: Upload a newer version | 00:48 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol, its true | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: bullcrap. try webkit and Tear. | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you, sir, are an idiot ☺ | 00:48 |
| dieb_ | Jaffa: what if it's been uploaded by mistake and should be deleted completely? | 00:48 |
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| mib_9fs00m | what, try using, windows, without a proper 3d driver | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | dieb_: Or ask X-Fade or jeremiah to delete it if it's not something you want to override | 00:48 |
| lcuk | i wonder what would happen if i tied together simple little html chunks with simple little liq* elements :) | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: no, Windows sucks | 00:48 |
| dieb_ | Jaffa: thanks | 00:48 |
| cosmo | is there any web browser which supports 3d acceleration? | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you would have to pay me to touch Windows | 00:49 |
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| mib_9fs00m | any good o/s needs 3d accelration | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: iPhone uses the h/w accel to do transitions | 00:49 |
| cosmo | at least firefox doesn't, so i guess its useless | 00:49 |
| lcuk | they coped just fine for however many years before | 00:49 |
| lcuk | and mine is 2d now | 00:49 |
| dieb_ | X-Fade, jeremiah_torp ping | 00:49 |
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| Jaffa | This is not the ssame as "needing" to have 3D to browse the web, as mib_9fs00m claims | 00:49 |
| mib_9fs00m | i think you guys are confusing hardware accleration, for something else | 00:50 |
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| mib_9fs00m | you need hardware accelrated graphics | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | no, you don't | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: To render HTML, to execute JS? No. | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | you might need bitblit, sure, but 3d? no | 00:50 |
| mib_9fs00m | so is the os2008 smooth to use, can you drag and drop, and rezise? | 00:51 |
| cosmo | does hw 2d blitting and gfx primitives count as acceleration? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | i can | 00:51 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol, no you cant, it sucks | 00:51 |
| * Stskeeps puts a troll hat on mib_9fs00m and goes do something useful | 00:51 | |
| * Jaffa goes tto listen to OO Ant | 00:52 | |
| mib_9fs00m | i tired to reize a fucking rss reader, the dam thing crashed | 00:52 |
| mib_9fs00m | wtf | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: as if that has anything to do with hardware acceleration | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | get a clue | 00:52 |
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| luke-jr | gentooer: hi | 00:53 |
| mib_9fs00m | you have no idea. what 3d hardware, can do | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: anyway, most of us are not developers of maemo os here. so why are you bitching? | 00:53 |
| gentooer | hello | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | we're happy users. | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I think I have a much much better idea than you do | 00:53 |
| mib_9fs00m | becuase i just wasted 200gbp, on worst piece if shit ever | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: what device do you have? | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: do your research before buying things. | 00:54 |
| gentooer | luke-jr, an n800 | 00:54 |
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| luke-jr | *Nowhere* does anyone claim N810 has 3D acceleration | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: cool, got Gentoo installed already? | 00:54 |
| mib_9fs00m | why do nokia relase prodcuts that are not ready | 00:54 |
| lcuk | errr i thought it had it actually | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Return it. If you're in the UK, and you bought it online, and less than 2 weeks ago - you can get a full refund (as I said above) | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | i read what system on die chipset it had | 00:54 |
| lcuk | and it had powervr | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 00:54 |
| mib_9fs00m | i think i will | 00:54 |
| lcuk | that was my first impression | 00:55 |
| gentooer | luke-jr, nah i don't think i'll be doing that anytime soon. n800 is mostly stock. gentoo is only on my desktop | 00:55 |
| mib_9fs00m | yes it has power Vr and lot more, which nokia just chose to forget | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: boo, we need more users! | 00:55 |
| lcuk | when i found out it didnt, i worked around the damage | 00:55 |
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| gentooer | luke-jr, you have gentoo on your n8x0? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, you are not a hardware designer, there were implementation specific reasons for the choice of framebuffer | 00:55 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: indeed | 00:55 |
| gentooer | wow, that's crazy.. | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: 8 GB SD card is handy | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: they didn't need 3d. :) | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | upgrading kdelibs atm | 00:56 |
| gentooer | luke-jr, any reason why? just to see if you could? | 00:56 |
| mib_9fs00m | the bottom line is nokia have relased a product that is not ready to browse the web, | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: Maemo sucks, and Gentoo is my default for things I have physical access to | 00:56 |
| Guest8048_411 | Hello, where can I find a guide to install pb KDE in my N810 ? | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | gentooer: and Gentoo is a lot easier to hack with | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | Guest8048_411: pb? | 00:57 |
| mib_9fs00m | does gentoo have 3d hardware enabled? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | only if you enter the driver details manually, in hex | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux doesn't support the 3D chip, so nothing does | 00:57 |
| mib_9fs00m | so the answer is NO ! | 00:57 |
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| luke-jr | Guest8048_411: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 00:57 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, it is linux | 00:58 |
| mib_9fs00m | ofcourse linux supports 3d hardware | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | not everywhere | 00:58 |
| mib_9fs00m | it just that nokia havent bothred incuding it | 00:58 |
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| VDVsx | Guest8048_411, try google :P | 00:58 |
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| tank-man | I love the 3d support in Internet Explorer :) | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux doesnt' support PowerVR | 00:59 |
| mib_9fs00m | Maemo is biggest pile of crap ive ever seen | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | actually, who asked about browsers with 3D support earlier? | 00:59 |
| mib_9fs00m | i did | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | not you, someone with a clue | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: yet it lasts several days on a battery when a XP phone dies after 2 hours.. | 01:00 |
| mib_9fs00m | hey i am using macbook pro, i think i have a clue | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | cosmo: Firefox has 3D canvas support via OpenGL ES now | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | just because it says "pro" doesn't mean you are | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: N810 lasts about 2 hours on battery ;) | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: in gentoo probably | 01:00 |
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| mib_9fs00m | n810 is crap | 01:00 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, as a macbook owner, wtf made you choose linux? why didnt you just get iphone? | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I suspect it would last longer if stupid BME didn't issue the shutdown command | 01:01 |
| cosmo | luke-jr: via cairo backend or how? | 01:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | becuase actually mac osx, is buily on free BSD | 01:01 |
| lcuk | you could be fingerpainting for ages | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: that's myth | 01:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | which is linux | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | they | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | and THAT is just insanity | 01:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | no its not, | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | fact 1: Mac OS X is NOT built on FreeBSD | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | fact 2: FreeBSD is completely unrelated to Linux | 01:02 |
| mib_9fs00m | its built in berkley | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Mac OS X is built on NeXTStep | 01:02 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:02 |
| mib_9fs00m | wtf Neststep | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, what did you grow up owning? | 01:02 |
| * lbt watches the buns | 01:02 | |
| mib_9fs00m | never heard of it | 01:02 |
| lcuk | whats your favorite machine | 01:03 |
| Macer | heh | 01:03 |
| cosmo | afk coding something useful. looks like this channel has been trolled.. | 01:03 |
| mib_9fs00m | imac 24 inch alu | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextstep | 01:03 |
| mib_9fs00m | which i own too | 01:03 |
| * lbt waits for "did too".... wonders what the book on luke-jr is? | 01:03 | |
| tank-man | lol | 01:03 |
| Macer | nextstep is what jobbs made after he got forced out | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | lbt: ⁇? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | have you had any other hand helds | 01:03 |
| Macer | was actually pretty good | 01:03 |
| mib_9fs00m | yes, ive had wm2003, wm5, wm6, which are all better | 01:04 |
| luke-jr | Macer: OS X is Nextstep w/ rename and theme change | 01:04 |
| Macer | heh | 01:04 |
| Macer | they renamed it so the 3rd party manufacturers couldnt use os9 anymore | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | k, linux is built by lazy programmers | 01:04 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke are you mac user | 01:04 |
| tank-man | mib_9fs00m, sounds like your problem is the websites you want to visit are too complex | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: no, Apple sucks | 01:05 |
| lcuk | they do what they need to do, but leave dusty corners | 01:05 |
| Macer | the lic was that they can use os9 which is why they remade it and called it os x | 01:05 |
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| luke-jr | I would buy Apple hardware if they still used PowerPC | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | but now they use x86, which is crap | 01:05 |
| Macer | me too | 01:05 |
| Macer | :( | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | no reason to get Apple anymore | 01:05 |
| Macer | agreed | 01:06 |
| mib_9fs00m | power pc, was good, but going to intel, had opened up windows to mac | 01:06 |
| VDVsx | luke-jr, nextstep is based in BSD linux, lol | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Windows sucks, I won't touch it | 01:06 |
| Macer | bsd linux? | 01:06 |
| Macer | uhm | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | VDVsx: yeah, maybe a decade before OS X | 01:06 |
| VDVsx | Macer, *unix | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | VDVsx: no relation to FreeBSD at all tho | 01:06 |
| mib_9fs00m | you have admit it, mac osx, kicks, windows into touch | 01:07 |
| Macer | it uses a modified mach kernel | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I admit both Apple and Microsoft are evil, and Windows doesn't even work decent | 01:07 |
| mib_9fs00m | yes thats right | 01:07 |
| Macer | probably the same nextstep used 15 yrs ago =) | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | but Apple is even more evil than Microsoft | 01:07 |
| mib_9fs00m | all big players are evil | 01:07 |
| Macer | luke-jr: that isnt a bad thing | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | Apple releases open source because they are legally required to | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | but Apple really wants closed source AND closed hardware | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | Microsoft is at least for open hardware | 01:08 |
| Macer | personally i think the failure of a realistic linus pc foothold is its inability to be a common structure | 01:08 |
| Macer | linux | 01:08 |
| VDVsx | luke-jr, yes, I read unix instead of freebsd, you are right :P | 01:08 |
| mib_9fs00m | you can get the source code for mac osx. but not for windows ???, go figure | 01:08 |
| Macer | most of osx =) not all | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | Macer: the goal is a diverse OS market, not a single "Linux" takeover | 01:09 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you can't get the source code for OSX | 01:09 |
| EdLin | mib_9fs00m: got the source to iTunes, Quicktime, Quartz, and the GUI in general? | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: just for the parts Apple is legally required to release | 01:09 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i will give you small portable niche markets | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | Microsoft also releases small bits and pieces of code | 01:09 |
| Macer | but the "distro" system will neither take over windows nor osx | 01:09 |
| mib_9fs00m | you can devolp for apple, and they will give the code | 01:10 |
| Macer | it is too unstructured with constant competition within itself | 01:10 |
| luke-jr | Macer: part of the problem is this "distro" mindset | 01:10 |
| luke-jr | people need to let Linux move back into the background where it belongs | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | we don't use Linux | 01:11 |
| Macer | i suppose. everybody knows debian is the best one anyways. | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | we use Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva, etc | 01:11 |
| * Macer hides =) | 01:11 | |
| luke-jr | or Debian ;) | 01:11 |
| Macer | luke. isnt there a count? | 01:11 |
| Macer | i bet it is up to 50 | 01:11 |
| Macer | or more | 01:11 |
| mib_9fs00m | linux, is the kernal, all the distros, do is add pretty icons and desktops | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | uh, it's been way over 100 for a while | 01:11 |
| Macer | mib_9fs00m: agreed | 01:12 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux is the insignificant kernel | 01:12 |
| Macer | lol | 01:12 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke, you talk crap | 01:12 |
| Macer | it is significant | 01:12 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux can be replaced at a moment's notice | 01:12 |
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| luke-jr | the desktops are far more essential | 01:12 |
| Macer | otherwise it wouldnt be called a linux distro | 01:12 |
| jaska | the desktop environments are mostly garbage | 01:12 |
| jaska | including the closed ones (windows, osx) | 01:12 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it's only called a "linux distro" by noobs and marketting | 01:12 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke, the kernal is what contols everthing, incuding the hardware | 01:13 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: =) you mean the masses? | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you mean only the hardware | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | Macer: yes | 01:13 |
| Macer | case closed | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | but in reality | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | put a FreeBSD kernel in there | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | and as long as the hardware is supported, nobody will notice the difference | 01:13 |
| Macer | true | 01:13 |
| Macer | most mac users dont know wtf a kernel is | 01:14 |
| mib_9fs00m | supers users would noitce | 01:14 |
| Macer | they just know thei iphone and ipod work with their mac | 01:14 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: only kernel developers would notice | 01:14 |
| luke-jr | not even superusers | 01:14 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: yes they would | 01:14 |
| tank-man | thats cause users interact with programs, not system calls and apis | 01:14 |
| luke-jr | ok, superusers might *notice* if they have a reason to go poking around with kernel modules | 01:14 |
| mib_9fs00m | linux is better than windows, and osx, is better than them all | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | but that indicates a hardware problem, which was an already asserted "not a problem" | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: exactly | 01:15 |
| Macer | strong users are attracted to powerful operating systems that offer the most bang for the hardware buck. they will research what makes it | 01:15 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke what o/s do you like? | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I don't like any. They all suck. | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | I use Gentoo and Debian. | 01:15 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | with KDE on desktop. | 01:15 |
| MiskaX | as long as kernel implements suitable syscalls for implementing POSIX things are pretty fine... | 01:15 |
| mib_9fs00m | thats lnux, thenn | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: both Gentoo and Debian support using a FreeBSD kernel | 01:16 |
| Macer | mib_9fs00m: osx is nice, but i dont care much for stock aqua | 01:16 |
| mib_9fs00m | i use, ubuntu, with compiz fussion, so there | 01:16 |
| Macer | lol | 01:16 |
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| `0660 | :P | 01:16 |
| Macer | kde + kwin isnt too bad | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Plasma is pissing me off | 01:16 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:16 |
| Macer | personally i like it more than aqua | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | and KDEPIM is pure idiocy | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Plasma's problem isn't UI, it's RAM bloat | 01:17 |
| Macer | i'l give you that one ;) | 01:17 |
| Macer | the kdepim | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | Macer: plasma is THE biggest memory eater on my N810 | 01:17 |
| mib_9fs00m | you need 3d hardware, to use compiz fussion, case closed | 01:17 |
| Macer | as far as bloat goes.. who cares? | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Compiz is useless crap | 01:17 |
| Macer | enviroments go along with capable hardware | 01:17 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: 128 MB of RAM isn't enough to afford bloat | 01:17 |
| Macer | a 1tb hdd is like $130? | 01:18 |
| Macer | 4G of ram? | 01:18 |
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| mib_9fs00m | yes, you need atleast 512mb gddr3 | 01:18 |
| Macer | less than $100? | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | Macer: 4G of RAM installed in a handheld would be far more than $100 | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | is someone here capable of kicking mib_9fs00m? | 01:18 |
| Macer | well. handhelds are a different story | 01:18 |
| Macer | which is why i called portables the niche market | 01:19 |
| Macer | linus does have quite a foothold on it | 01:19 |
| Macer | linux (damnit) | 01:19 |
| mib_9fs00m | nokia should stick to phones, and leave the tablet to people who know what there doing | 01:19 |
| Macer | ok. now that was just ignorant | 01:19 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: as much as the N810 sucks, the only thing I've ever seen better in the market was a Zaurus | 01:19 |
| parigaudi | hi | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | and Sharp stopped making them | 01:20 |
| mib_9fs00m | lo, ha ha | 01:20 |
| Macer | pfft. neetons! | 01:20 |
| mib_9fs00m | you joking right | 01:20 |
| Macer | newtons | 01:20 |
| Macer | =) | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | and with my idea/patent, a SmartQ is quite competitive | 01:20 |
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| Macer | nokia needs to do something with symbian and fast | 01:20 |
| parigaudi | i'm just installing a maemo sdk on a recent kubuntu, and now read that there might be problems with the xephyr x server on that distro? | 01:20 |
| mib_9fs00m | i prefer the teaxas intrusments scienttific calc | 01:20 |
| parigaudi | jaunty that is? | 01:21 |
| Macer | they are letting it get left behind | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: forget Maemo :þ | 01:21 |
| mib_9fs00m | how can you install gentoo on n810 | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: SmartQ is cheaper than the N810, get one | 01:21 |
| parigaudi | luke-jr: and what would i use instead | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: the same way I install Gentoo on my desktop | 01:21 |
| tank-man | mib_9fs00m, maybe in a chroot | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: Gentoo or Mae | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | Mer* | 01:21 |
| Macer | parigaudi: you might want to wait around for johnx or stskeeps. | 01:21 |
| Macer | they do the mer stuff | 01:22 |
| mib_9fs00m | ok, thanks | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: if you can handle Gentoo, I can help with that ;) | 01:22 |
| mib_9fs00m | can you get 3d working | 01:22 |
| jaska | no kbd on those :( | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | jaska: hence my patent | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | jaska: Bluetooth keyboard attachment to turn it into a clamshell | 01:22 |
| parigaudi | thx Macer and luke-jr | 01:23 |
| mib_9fs00m | im going to smash my n810 with hammer, and post in you tube ! | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: so much for 200gbp | 01:23 |
| Macer | lol | 01:23 |
| Macer | have fun =) | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 01:23 |
| mib_9fs00m | i will | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I would much prefer giving you money to ship it to me | 01:23 |
| Macer | bbl. going to work on something. my son is taking a nap! | 01:23 |
| mib_9fs00m | how much would you pay | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: shipping | 01:23 |
| mib_9fs00m | its 2 days old | 01:24 |
| tank-man | 2days old, lol return it to the store and take any restocking fee incured | 01:24 |
| mib_9fs00m | i will accept 80gbp for it | 01:24 |
| tank-man | and stop bitching | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I won't spend 80gbp on a N810 | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | 80gbp could get me a new SmartQ | 01:24 |
| mib_9fs00m | is that becuase its crap device | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | yes | 01:24 |
| mib_9fs00m | so why are you defending it | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | I'm not. :þ | 01:25 |
| mib_9fs00m | im getting hammer, ready | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | troll, heh | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you'd rather smash it than accept 10gbp? | 01:25 |
| parigaudi | ahm actually what i need is just an easy way to build qt apps for my n810 | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: yeah, I do that on my N810 | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | :þ | 01:26 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke you need n810. why | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I don't need another one. | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | but for 10gbp + shipping, maybe my wife can play with one | 01:27 |
| mib_9fs00m | someone said they needed it | 01:27 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:27 |
| lbt | parigaudi: 'easy' or fast? | 01:27 |
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| mib_9fs00m | im sure your wife can find something else to play with, | 01:27 |
| parigaudi | lbt: could you tell me more about both options before i have to choose? | 01:28 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: yeah, I have just the thing! | 01:28 |
| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:28 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: but if you want 10gbp for the N810, she can have that too | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | if not, np | 01:28 |
| lbt | Mer has a builder which you could use. It's qemu based and works on Ubuntu. The binaries/debs are fine on Diablo. | 01:28 |
| mib_9fs00m | i m going to smah it tiny pieces and then mail it back to nokia | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: that's like negative 10gbp | 01:29 |
| lbt | there's no xephyr | 01:29 |
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| mib_9fs00m | 10gbp is nothing | 01:29 |
| mib_9fs00m | sorry | 01:29 |
| lbt | so if you want to debug / run too then it's no good | 01:29 |
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| lbt | mib_9fs00m: £12.50 | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | aww, outbid | 01:30 |
| mib_9fs00m | 80gbp, and you can have it | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: 10gbp is 20gbp more than negative 10gbp | 01:30 |
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| lbt | £12.50 + a Zaurus | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | lbt: @*($&(@#* | 01:30 |
| mib_9fs00m | i could ebay it, let some other poor sod suffer | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | which Zaurus is that, BTW? | 01:30 |
| tank-man | can you trust a troll to mail you the n810 after you send money tho :) | 01:31 |
| lbt | it has a blue suede case!! | 01:31 |
| mib_9fs00m | wow really | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: I'm glad for PayPal disputes in this case. | 01:31 |
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| luke-jr | lbt: which Zaurus is that, BTW? | 01:31 |
| lbt | original and best! | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | original..? | 01:31 |
| lbt | 5500..... SL | 01:31 |
| mib_9fs00m | im going to feel much better, whith the hammer approach | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | OMFG | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | ancient | 01:32 |
| lbt | parigaudi: ping me tomorrow if you like | 01:32 |
| parigaudi | ok thx | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: and be out 200gbp | 01:32 |
| mib_9fs00m | right on the screen nokia logo, | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | 210gbp after you ship it to Nokia | 01:32 |
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| luke-jr | sell it to me for 10gbp and get off with only 190gbp loss! | 01:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke if you want it, 80gbp, and its yours | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it isn't worth 80gbp | 01:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | i paid 200gbp for it | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | like I said, I could get a new SmartQ for 80gbp | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: not my fault you got ripped off | 01:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | what is smart Q | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: SmartQ is what the N800 was supposed to be | 01:33 |
| mib_9fs00m | does it have 3d hardware, that it used | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | it has 3D hardware, but there's no drivers yet | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | but the spec is open, so it seems likely | 01:34 |
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| mib_9fs00m | lol, same thing | 01:34 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/smartq5ubuntu-1.jpg | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: PowerVR spec is not available, so nobody can write drivers | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | except TI | 01:35 |
| mib_9fs00m | why isnt it available | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | TI won't share it | 01:35 |
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| luke-jr | SmartQ's spec is open, so anyone can write a driver | 01:35 |
| mib_9fs00m | Ti, so why did they make the dam chip | 01:35 |
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| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: TI wants a lot more $$$ to use 3D | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | or somethign stupid like that | 01:35 |
| mib_9fs00m | and nokia, wont pay | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: ever wonder why the N810 is cheaper than the iPhone | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | ? | 01:36 |
| mib_9fs00m | ok, im getting th hammer ! | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | reason why maemo doesnt have 3d in 4.0 is simple | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | gpl | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | thats why we cant have nice things | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | GPL is inherent in nice things | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | well, not really | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | but the terms | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | if it isn't open, it might as well not exist | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and i am looking forward to open 3d kernel driver | 01:37 |
| mib_9fs00m | the n8XX will have 3d hardware, and it used the same chip | 01:37 |
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| mib_9fs00m | so what the deal there? | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: ? | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | you mean the N900? | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't use teh same chip | 01:38 |
| mib_9fs00m | the nest N810, will have 3d hardware | 01:38 |
| mib_9fs00m | next | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't use the same chip | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | RX-51 is OMAP *3* | 01:38 |
| mib_9fs00m | what chip will it use | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | N810 is OMAP *2) | 01:38 |
| mib_9fs00m | but its still the same chip, just newer model | 01:39 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | mbx vs sgx | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | um, no | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | "newer model" means "entirely different chip" in many cases | 01:39 |
| mib_9fs00m | is this chip open | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | heck, even "same model" could be entirely different for some things | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it is? | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of oss kernel driver, closed libraries supporting gl es | 01:40 |
| mib_9fs00m | dam, i should have waited | 01:40 |
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| luke-jr | sigh, X11 should be GPL too :/ | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: anyhow, I took that as teh chip being open (spec) | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | you're just talking 3D driver | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | but i could argue with luke-jr all night about definition of open | 01:40 |
| mib_9fs00m | this is all bollox, n810 should use the all the hardware avialable to it | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I agree, but it doesn't. | 01:41 |
| mib_9fs00m | thats such a shame, | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: consider yourself one of many people who regrets their purchase | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: why cant i use 3d in linux on iphone? | 01:41 |
| mib_9fs00m | iphone has got 3d hardware, which is used | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: while I'm not happy with the N810, I am at least trying to do something with it, so if you can't find a use, I wouldn't mind taking yours for a reasonable price | 01:42 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, iphone sucks, its so low resolution | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | but it's not very usable and I don't need it, so "reasonable" is currently 10gbp :þ | 01:42 |
| mib_9fs00m | have you seen how good the GUI looks | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | its kinda simplistic | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yeah, like i said though i love the ui on my 810 | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | i like my xterm. | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | I don't mind console mode, but KDE is nice | 01:43 |
| mib_9fs00m | really, its the worst GUI i have ever seen | 01:43 |
| lcuk | smart, quick intuitive and not one bit of real 3d in sight | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | and not having to jailbreak | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: actually, I do like Hildon's GUI | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | just not the implementation | 01:44 |
| mib_9fs00m | if you could jailbreak the dam n810, i would | 01:44 |
| parigaudi | in the communication section of the app manager, i find openssh-server, openssh-client and openssh. what is the openssh package if the server and client are in different packages? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, you have root | 01:44 |
| lcuk | wtf do you need jailbreak for? | 01:44 |
| tank-man | jailbreak the n810? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: not by default | 01:44 |
| mib_9fs00m | one good thing about n810, is the VPN and RDP | 01:44 |
| lcuk | oh sorry, open the extras repo | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | parigaudi: 'openssh' is a metapkg depending on both | 01:44 |
| Stskeeps | dude, rootsh | 01:44 |
| parigaudi | oh ok thx luke-jr | 01:44 |
| Stskeeps | its really open to hacking | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | unless you want to use the GPS | 01:45 |
| mib_9fs00m | i thought it was closed | 01:45 |
| Stskeeps | no | 01:45 |
| tank-man | nokia gives you a tool to flash and toggle r&d mode for root | 01:45 |
| mib_9fs00m | r&d whats that? | 01:45 |
| Noma | research & development | 01:45 |
| mib_9fs00m | mmmmmmmmmmmm ok | 01:46 |
| Stskeeps | heck, how would luke-jr run gentoo on it if it was closed? | 01:46 |
| Macer | wtf | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I jailbroke | 01:46 |
| mib_9fs00m | im going to look on youtube, and see how gentoo runs,on n810 | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you won't find anythin on YouTube | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | there's only 3 people who have got Gentoo on N8x0 | 01:47 |
| mib_9fs00m | why not | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | and only 2 on N810 | 01:47 |
| mib_9fs00m | why so few | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | and none of us have bothered for YouTube | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it's not simple to do | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 <-- instructions | 01:47 |
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| mib_9fs00m | NO sound, wtf is that good for | 01:48 |
| mib_9fs00m | cant even listen to music | 01:48 |
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| luke-jr | actually, I got sound working | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | but then keyboard doesn't work :< | 01:48 |
| lcuk | mib_9fs00m, do you troll the lego forums complaining that the blocks dont come in the shape of houses and trains? | 01:48 |
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| mib_9fs00m | lol | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | might have sound+keyboard in a few minutes actually | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | waiting for kdelibs to finish installing first | 01:49 |
| mib_9fs00m | this device is really rubbish, im not going to buy the n900, once bitten , twice shy | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: like I said, grab a SmartQ ☺ | 01:49 |
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| mib_9fs00m | yes, still not 3d hardware on smar q | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | it has the hardware, just nobody wrote drivers YET | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | but I think inevitable | 01:50 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps even has discounts for someone who will do it | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I do presume a competent person writing 3D drivers is guaranteed one :þ | 01:50 |
| mib_9fs00m | i think the best device is wifi- somthing, aquous | 01:51 |
| mib_9fs00m | what its called? | 01:51 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: If 3D is your ultimate requirement, RX-51/Rover will do it | 01:51 |
| mib_9fs00m | im not just after 3d, i want 3d, and good GUI, with lots of apps | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: will RX-51 do full (more than ES) OpenGL? | 01:52 |
| mib_9fs00m | openGl is pretty much all you need | 01:53 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: No, but there's talk of a (limited) wrapper | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: iPhone doesn't support OpenGL | 01:53 |
| mib_9fs00m | iphone has its own 3d drivers | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | OpenGL ES | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | not full OpenGL | 01:54 |
| mib_9fs00m | its doesnt need need opengl | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | you're an idiot | 01:54 |
| Noma | troll | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | nothing needs OpenGL except game consoles | 01:54 |
| mib_9fs00m | windows can use open GL | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | Windows is crap | 01:54 |
| tank-man | mib_9fs00m, go buy an itouch or iphone and get it over with. you know you want it | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | haha | 01:55 |
| mib_9fs00m | ive got one | 01:55 |
| Noma | how about installing gentoo on iphone and making a video about it on youtube? | 01:55 |
| mib_9fs00m | i thought the nokia n810 was somthing really good | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | Noma: get me an iPhone and I will | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it's better than iPhone at least | 01:55 |
| mib_9fs00m | i belived all the hype | 01:55 |
| mib_9fs00m | noway, how can you even think that | 01:56 |
| tank-man | hype? lol ive yet to see a commercial on tv for n810 | 01:56 |
| mib_9fs00m | just look on nokia n810 homepage | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: because iPhone is even worse | 01:56 |
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| mib_9fs00m | iphone is much better than n810, | 01:57 |
| tank-man | thanks for the info | 01:57 |
| mib_9fs00m | even the ipod 80gb is better | 01:57 |
| mib_9fs00m | n810 has the slowest GUI ever, it crashes, it is very slow, | 01:57 |
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| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: What was better 3 years ago? | 01:58 |
| mib_9fs00m | if anyone think n810 is better device than iphone, i would have to disagree | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | http://www.iphonelinux.org/ <-- status of Linux on iPhone | 01:59 |
| tank-man | mib_9fs00m, n810 isnt a phone duh | 01:59 |
| mib_9fs00m | iphone doesnt need linux, it is using all hardware to it full pottential | 01:59 |
| mib_9fs00m | thats all i want the n810 to do | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: iPhoneOS is closed, and therefore might as well not exist | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | actually | 02:00 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The only thing not being used on the N810s h/w is the PowerVR | 02:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | iphone can be jailbroken, | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | iPhone looks like it has the same SoC as the SmartQ | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: and GPS, for practical purposes! | 02:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | it has 1000;s of free apps | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: gratis, not free | 02:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | most of them are | 02:01 |
| parigaudi | 3~3~a propos phone: what's the sip client you would recommend for n810? | 02:01 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Running your gpsdriver, perhaps. WFM | 02:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | luke do you have iphone | 02:01 |
| mib_9fs00m | have you ever used one | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | nope | 02:02 |
| mib_9fs00m | it uses, a very sophicated package manager | 02:02 |
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| Noma | i have used iphone for a week, and i can tell you i wouldn't change my n810 to it | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: if I don't have the source, it is worthless | 02:02 |
| Noma | or i would, but then i'd sell the iphone and buy another n810 | 02:02 |
| * Jaffa looks forward to having the accelerometers and 3d h/w for some simple fun games (a la Cube racer) | 02:03 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:03 |
| mib_9fs00m | well you might, but i think the iphone is the device that all other manufactures try to emulate | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: Nokia should hire me to write a real Location/Network framework XD | 02:04 |
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| luke-jr | Jaffa: or hire someone to do it, anyhow, doesn't need to be me I guess | 02:04 |
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| luke-jr | it should triangulate APs and plan to do fly-by data exchanges ;) | 02:05 |
| Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Perhaps. The App Store has been succesful; so imagine something 2x powerful in an open source ecosystem | 02:05 |
| Noma | nokia's marketing managers answer to a journalist that asked about iphone selling over one million devices sometime ago is the best answer i've heard recently: "well, we have sold the same amount of phones today after the lunch" | 02:05 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Loc. framework in fremantle's sparkly and new (and uses cell towers for AGPS) | 02:05 |
| mib_9fs00m | you guys are all brainwashed | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | but does it plan out WiFi access? | 02:06 |
| mib_9fs00m | fuck nokia, this divice is pile of shit | 02:06 |
| mib_9fs00m | bye ! | 02:06 |
| Jaffa | Noma: Yeah, but that misses the point in the iPhone's success. It can't be quite so easily dismissed | 02:06 |
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| luke-jr | so when it knows I've driving near an AP (it's navigating!), it counts down, connects, grabs any IMs waiting, and sends any IMs I have pending | 02:06 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Whilst going past at 30mph? Doubt it. Would be cool. | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: 60 mph ;) | 02:07 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Nokia's answer would be always-on data via HSPA | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | that's why it needs to plan it out | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | begin transmitting even before it gets beacons | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | oh, true, I guess that negates the AP exchange purpose to some degree | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 02:08 |
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| luke-jr | Jaffa: any idea if Nokia can get us a decent data plan from some provider? | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | eg, no stupid 5 GB limit | 02:09 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, can imagine a few problems (knowing limits of range vs. AP location), WPA key exchange etc. | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | so we can run X11 apps remotely | 02:09 |
| Noma | luke-jr: move to finland;) | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: if there's WPA, chances are you can't just use it at random :þ | 02:09 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: No idea. The leak seemed to suggest a partnership with T-Mobile, but it'd still be "fair usage policy applies", I guess | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | Noma: can't, prisoner | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: I was assuming you meant an AP you were authed to | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: aren't you with Nokia? | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Nope | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | wonder how I confused that | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | oh, maybe your bug-note attempt to justify closed GPS <.< | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | Member of the community council, but have no financial relationship to Nokia | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: Not justify it being closed (tho' think it's TI); just saying you can't blame Nokia (too much) if you change the shipped gpsdriver and then it works less well | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: I can blame Nokia for forcing me to change it blindly. | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | if I wasn't blinded, I could do a much better job fixing it up | 02:12 |
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| * Jaffa nods | 02:13 | |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: the unmodified gpsdriver won't work outside of Maemo, not even on Mer | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, wifi if in range, otherwise cell | 02:18 |
| lcuk | would love that tbh | 02:18 |
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| luke-jr | happen to know the git cmd for "undo"? | 02:18 |
| lcuk | git reset --force i think lol | 02:19 |
| lcuk | that should roll back to the point of last something or other | 02:19 |
| lcuk | ahh --hard | 02:19 |
| lcuk | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | thx | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | this is why I prefer bzr ;) | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | commands are more logical | 02:21 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, always going forwards, just dont make changes that need rolling back :P | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I was going to rename the gconf USE flag to agps, then realized there are multiple agps functions :þ | 02:23 |
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| Jaffa | luke-jr: Yes, I know about gpsdriver on Mer | 02:29 |
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| _Pit_Bull | Hello people )) | 03:43 |
| _Pit_Bull | Who speaking Russian ? | 03:45 |
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| _Pit_Bull | Please say me , what another OS may installing on Nokia n8xx ? | 03:47 |
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| _Pit_Bull | !time | 03:48 |
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| b-man16 | ~time | 03:49 |
| infobot | rumour has it, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2009.06.06 0:49:25 GMT | 03:49 |
| _Pit_Bull | thank you. | 03:50 |
| b-man16 | no problem :) | 03:51 |
| Noma | and about the OS's: http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems | 03:51 |
| b-man16 | yes? | 03:51 |
| _Pit_Bull | thank you)) | 03:51 |
| _Pit_Bull | I am from Russia )) | 03:51 |
| Noma | b-man16: 03:47:45 < _Pit_Bull> Please say me , what another OS may installing on Nokia n8xx ? | 03:52 |
| Noma | seconds before you joined:) | 03:52 |
| b-man16 | ah, ok | 03:52 |
| _Pit_Bull | I want buy Nokia n800 or n810, because i intresting some aspects. | 03:54 |
| _Pit_Bull | cheat, i bad speaking english, sorry | 03:56 |
| b-man16 | *am interested ;) | 03:56 |
| b-man16 | it's ok :) | 03:56 |
| _Pit_Bull | I write on Deplhi/Kylix . May i port my programs on maemo os ? | 03:57 |
| b-man16 | it should be possible | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | it makes since | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | *sense | 03:59 |
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| _Pit_Bull | i don't known what you say,sorry | 04:00 |
| _Pit_Bull | thank you )) bye all | 04:02 |
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| Noma | well that was an interesting conversation | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | hmm :P | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | indeed | 04:02 |
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| b-man16 | i was going to talk to him in russian using google translator, but he left before i could do so XD | 04:03 |
| Noma | i was just thinking about it too:D | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | XD | 04:04 |
| Noma | though i don't know how it translates into russian, at least finnish seems to be hard to it :p | 04:04 |
| Noma | above line translated from finnish to english: Admittedly, I do not know how to reverse the Russian, at least in Finland seems to be difficult for it. | 04:06 |
| b-man16 | hmm | 04:07 |
| * b-man16 is running a javascript webserver on his tablet atm btw XD | 04:08 | |
| Noma | javascript webserver wtf?:D | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | yup, Ejscript | 04:08 |
| Noma | ok | 04:09 |
| b-man16 | it's more like a web application framework though - it's designed to work without the aid of a browser :D | 04:10 |
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| Noma | so it's like the serverside java but javascript?:p | 04:10 |
| b-man16 | yup | 04:11 |
| b-man16 | but it's easier than java XD | 04:11 |
| Noma | yep, not that complicated | 04:11 |
| b-man16 | pluse it can run stan alone scripts or compiled javascript :) | 04:12 |
| b-man16 | *stand | 04:12 |
| Noma | hmm maybe i should go to sleep, it's 4 am :/ | 04:13 |
| b-man16 | and it has support for jquery :) | 04:13 |
| b-man16 | wow 0.o | 04:13 |
| b-man16 | you should XD | 04:13 |
| rzr | Noma: nitdroid :) | 04:14 |
| rzr | Noma: http://digg.com/linux_unix/NITdroid_or_just_another_Android_port_nokia_770_and_later | 04:14 |
| Noma | hmm, is nitdroid still missing bluetooth (+ possibility to connect to internet via 3g phone)? | 04:16 |
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| FireFox` | ~seen xnt14 | 04:33 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=chatzill@pool-96-250-79-216.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 9h 22m 50s ago, saying: ':P'. | 04:34 |
| FireFox` | damn, i missed him :P | 04:34 |
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| luke-jr | Noma: that list omits Gentoo :< | 05:03 |
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| luke-jr | $*(#&)$# | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | wtf is with this? :/ | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | BME won't let me boot | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | piece of crap | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: plz help? :< | 06:59 |
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| luke-jr | "BME warning: ignored processwd PONG!" | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | wtf is that | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | crap | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | it affects Maemo too | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | I'm screwed? :/ | 07:04 |
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| luke-jr | fun, bootmenu's rescue mode is broken too | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | except it just fails to start ssh | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 07:07 |
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| Macer | holy shit kde4 runs like shit on this intel | 07:21 |
| Macer | there has to be something astray | 07:21 |
| Macer | win7 doesn't run nearly as shitty when it comes to the 3D stuff | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | Macer: help me :þ | 07:21 |
| Macer | huh? | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | my N810 won't boot | 07:22 |
| Macer | maybe i can find a better driver for this shit | 07:22 |
| Macer | it won't boot at all? | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:22 |
| Macer | like you bricked it or something? | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | and bootmenu's rescue thing is screwed | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | wasn't me, I swear | 07:22 |
| Macer | wow.. bricked it huh? :) | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | the blob did it | 07:22 |
| Macer | sure it wasn't :) | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | BME | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | is responsible | 07:22 |
| Macer | heh | 07:23 |
| Macer | well | 07:23 |
| Macer | i'm kind of working on getting this intel not to run like total shit | 07:23 |
| Macer | in kubuntu | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | Macer: disabling DSME's watchdog should workaround it | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | any idea how? | 07:25 |
| Macer | huh? | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | DSME's process watchdog is killing BME | 07:26 |
| Macer | i dunno man. i haven't worked on my n800 in a very long time.. and i never bricked it. | 07:26 |
| Macer | how far does it get when you turn it on? | 07:26 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: it starts booting | 07:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | luke-jr: Tried the RD-Mode flags? | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N810: that's what i was about to do.. | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | but flasher @($*@# screwed up my desktop machine's host stack | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | USB* | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | so now I don't have USB until I reboot | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | jerks | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | guess I now have real-world examples of Nokia's idiot proprietaryness causing practical problems | 07:34 |
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| luke-jr | unless there's some other way to restart khubd? | 07:35 |
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| * RST38h moos at qwerty | 08:05 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | hi RST38h :) | 08:06 |
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| GAN800 | Hava http://woot.com/ | 08:14 |
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| Macer | wtf. i wonder why this intel945 is so damn slow in kde4 | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | kde4 is probably slow by itself | 08:31 |
| RST38h | As it effectively turned itself into Windows | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | Macer: turn off compositing? | 08:33 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: also, stop using the Oxygen style | 08:34 |
| Macer | i suppose so but as far as enviroments go it is a better choice | 08:34 |
| Macer | luke-jr: but i want the 3d effects :) | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | Macer: turn off Oxygen at least | 08:34 |
| Macer | windows 7 runs like a dream on it | 08:34 |
| Macer | which means the performance hit is somewhere in either X, linux, or kde4 | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | probably KDE 4 or x | 08:35 |
| Macer | or maybe the onboard video is just a total piece of shit ;) | 08:35 |
| Macer | but windows 7 eliminated that possibility because it was running fairly well on the same box | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | tbh, the X11 design is totally screwed up ☺ | 08:36 |
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| Macer | i wish i could dev | 08:36 |
| Macer | so i could make a better system of gui :) | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | I wish I had time. | 08:36 |
| Macer | there has to be a better way than the server/client system | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | no -.- | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | that's not related to the problem | 08:37 |
| Macer | haha | 08:37 |
| Macer | its just overbuilding of xorg? :) | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | the problem is that compositing is effectively client->server->client->server->display | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | and the server is really dumb | 08:38 |
| Macer | hm. damn i don't have ssh set up on it yet | 08:38 |
| Macer | and osx was a bust | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | toolkits should be on the server side | 08:38 |
| Macer | maybe i should just try one of the premade dvds | 08:38 |
| Macer | and see if i can get osx on it with that | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | clients/apps should just transmit widget info | 08:38 |
| Macer | i'm just going to try out osx86 again | 08:39 |
| Macer | one last time with an older version of kalaway or something | 08:39 |
| Macer | ipc osx86 looks rather promising | 08:42 |
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| zakkm | whats this Mamona i just watched a youtube vid of? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | old stuff | 09:47 |
| zakkm | 2009-05-15 - Mamona Installer 0.2.6 released - http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/Releases/0.2/MamonaInstaller for installation procedure. ? | 09:47 |
| zakkm | is it like mer , but different ppl and such? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | different view on the world i'd say. much of their work is interesting and used in mer | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | but it's not really a consumer thing | 09:48 |
| zakkm | i like the virtual keyboard thingy in it | 09:48 |
| zakkm | its cool they used e17 and it looked nice ;p | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 09:49 |
| zakkm | sort of at the top like in mer | 09:49 |
| zakkm | applet thingy to bring keyboard/take it away | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | any embedded linux distribution will diverge towards using enlightenment, and then wither and fade away | 09:49 |
| zakkm | heh | 09:49 |
| zakkm | enlightenment got alot faster i heard | 09:50 |
| zakkm | started using assembly and stuff | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 09:50 |
| zakkm | or something | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | any coder will diverge towards the insanity of having assembly code in his C programs | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:50 |
| zakkm | i dont understnad how anyone could write assembly | 09:51 |
| zakkm | http://franciscoalecrim.com/blog/2009/06/06/webkit-efl-running-on-n810/ ? | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it's not difficult once you know how to | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, webkit is fast :P | 09:53 |
| zakkm | whats efl ? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | enlightenment foundation libraries | 09:53 |
| zakkm | oh rightt | 09:54 |
| zakkm | cool | 09:54 |
| zakkm | oh i guess thats only helpful in enlightenment | 09:54 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lo crashanddie | 10:40 |
| crashanddie | ello | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | how goes? | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 10:41 |
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| crashanddie | the "Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job." is still on there | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, not too bad | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, about to go to the office though | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | on a saturday? | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | and even tomorrow by the looks of it | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | Didn't have you down as a workaholic :P | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, and i thought i was bad off reading for exams.. | 10:43 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, yeah actually I guess I quite am | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | I had the Monday off | 10:44 |
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| crashanddie | and my calendar is telling me I'm already at 72 hours | 10:44 |
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| crashanddie | A good job is made out of 5 things | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | 1/ Pay 2/ Location (transport) 3/ People 4/ Actual work you're doing 5/ Place it allows you to live | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | if you have 3 out of 5, you're on to a winner | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | if you have 4 out of 5, that's quite amazing and very lucky, and if you have all 5, you'd be mad to even think about jumping sides | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | I think i have like 3.5 | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, i still wonder where i would be after september | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, plus, you're going to be the biggest of all in terms of workaholism | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | ORLY? | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | seen how much you work for maemo/mer? | 10:49 |
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| qwerty12 | :> | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12 has the mental ability to take a break though | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | which i have difficulties with | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | taking a break? | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | that's not in my contract | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | see, with the line of work I do | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | I've come to realise | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | that, sometimes I can ask my boss to have the day, or the weekend | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | and sure, he'll grant it | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | but damn, he never says "day off", or "weekend off", so if shit hits the fan, he WILL call until he gets a hold of me | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | call or whatever necessary | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | Buy a 3310 and chuck it in the river when you hear it ringing :) | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | I'm actually trying to find the blackberry SDK, so that my BB automagically switches anyone from work to "THE DEVIL" when I tell it I'm on holiday | 10:54 |
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| Macer | well | 10:59 |
| Macer | one last ditch effort for osx | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | lmao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYC-WoQWmg#4m10s gotta love the rant | 10:59 |
| Macer | THEN i give up :) | 10:59 |
| Macer | lol | 10:59 |
| Macer | kde4 runs like crap on this shuttl | 10:59 |
| Macer | shuttle | 10:59 |
| Macer | this doesn't work then it's win7 i suppose | 11:00 |
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| Macer | damnit | 11:36 |
| Macer | all this time trying all these awkward things with a retail osx disc | 11:36 |
| Macer | when i could have just used an iPC disc to install 10.5.6 | 11:36 |
| Macer | what a waste of life :) | 11:36 |
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| aquatix | Macer: :) | 11:42 |
| Macer | aquatix: blah :) i wasted a whole day yesterday trying to use my retail osx dvd | 11:42 |
| Macer | are sse3 and ssse3 different things? | 11:43 |
| aquatix | ssse3? don't know that one | 11:43 |
| Macer | sse4_1? | 11:43 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 11:43 |
| Macer | i'm just reading my linux cpuinfo | 11:44 |
| Macer | so i don't mess up on this osx install | 11:44 |
| Macer | it says if i am on amd or sse2 system i must choose a voodoo kernel | 11:44 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 11:44 |
| aquatix | black magic for the win | 11:44 |
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| Macer | wow like.. this is some serious osx hackery | 11:46 |
| Macer | i mean these guys totally rewrote the osx install | 11:46 |
| aquatix | nice | 11:46 |
| Macer | i mean .. it's like going through a linux kernel config haha | 11:47 |
| aquatix | hence voodoo ;) | 11:47 |
| Macer | lol | 11:47 |
| Macer | well.. i don't think it's actually modifying the kernel | 11:47 |
| Macer | i think it just installs ktexts | 11:47 |
| Macer | well.. :) | 11:47 |
| Macer | ktext... one could only wonder what the k stands for | 11:48 |
| Macer | heh | 11:48 |
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| Macer | does pci-e use agpart at all? | 11:48 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: ooooohkay... (@ that youtube link) | 11:49 |
| crashanddie | @_ | 11:49 |
| aquatix | Macer: no sure | 11:49 |
| crashanddie | :) | 11:49 |
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| aquatix | *not | 11:50 |
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| Macer | welp.. let's see if this thing explodes | 12:00 |
| Macer | if this works i might work on my artigo next.. i need to take debian off it | 12:00 |
| Macer | and install something a little more "server" :) | 12:00 |
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| aquatix | Macer: as in opensolaris or something? | 12:10 |
| aquatix | i rather like debian for server stuff myself | 12:10 |
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| Macer | blah | 12:11 |
| Macer | install failed | 12:11 |
| Macer | run preinstall script for 920SpeedStepKernel | 12:12 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 12:12 |
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| minra | use a pocket handkerchief when you sneeze - dont be a virus vector - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3vICbXzjWw | 12:17 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 12:42 |
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| lbt | hi wazd | 12:51 |
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| Macer | damnit | 13:42 |
| Macer | i have tried every which way to get this stupid onboard thing working | 13:42 |
| Macer | in osx | 13:43 |
| Macer | everything works but the marvell that others seem to be able to get working and i have no idea wtf i am doing wrong | 13:43 |
| johnx | and that's why I never bothered messing with hackintosh stuff :) | 13:43 |
| Macer | heh | 13:44 |
| Macer | it is driving me up a fucking wall man :) | 13:44 |
| Macer | what.. the.. fuck | 13:44 |
| johnx | heh | 13:44 |
| Macer | it looks like it should be working but it simply isn't | 13:45 |
| Macer | and i can't for the life of me find out why | 13:45 |
| johnx | look at the logs? | 13:45 |
| Macer | yes.... | 13:45 |
| lcuk | hey johnx did they let you back in the country then | 13:45 |
| johnx | yup | 13:45 |
| lcuk | excellent :D | 13:45 |
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| johnx | getting through CPH security into the airport was actually more of a pain than getting back into the US | 13:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:46 |
| johnx | though whoever thought reclining seats in coach class was a good idea should be forced to sit in one | 13:46 |
| lcuk | they were a bit efficient | 13:46 |
| lcuk | my pants nearly fell down when i had to take belt off | 13:46 |
| Macer | wait | 13:46 |
| Macer | there is something i hadn't noticed | 13:46 |
| Macer | appleYukon2 ... failed to allocate msi interrupt | 13:46 |
| johnx | probably some off the wall EFI vs BIOS IRQ handling stuff | 13:47 |
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| amit_usual | hi ,is there a way i.e can connect my repository to some other svn repository | 14:00 |
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| johnx | sorry, not exactly sure I understand what you're trying to do | 14:00 |
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| amit_usual | well just like we have linking of normal directories , what i want is that i link to some other repository such that any updates on it lead to an update on my repository | 14:03 |
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| jeremiah_torp | amit_usual: That is going to freak svn out. | 14:17 |
| jeremiah_torp | svn is centralized, do and 'svn info' to find out what your svn instance is reading. | 14:18 |
| RST38h | "It should be noted that while infected individuals don't casually choose to use non-rhyming words, they are able to and the consequences may be deadly. At the request of the cleaning crews assigned to clean up the blood, researchers are strongly discouraged from similar experiments." | 14:18 |
| Macer | well. guess i'll try this realtek 8139 | 14:18 |
| johnx | ah, good old rtl8139 | 14:19 |
| johnx | my first ethernet card :) | 14:19 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_torp, but you can fetch a external svn repo, without any problem | 14:20 |
| jeremiah_torp | VDVsx: Well of course, just start a new repo. | 14:21 |
| jeremiah_torp | If amit_usual is trying to merge, he will have to do that by hand. :P | 14:22 |
| jeremiah_torp | Which is fine, just seems pointless. | 14:22 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_torp, is a common practice, when you have some dependencies in other project under development | 14:22 |
| jeremiah_torp | I thought he was talking about _linking_? | 14:23 |
| jeremiah_torp | as in ln -s ? | 14:23 |
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| jeremiah_torp | Hm, is git already in fremantle? It appears to be in my SDK. :) | 14:24 |
| jeremiah_torp | No - I think there is some confusion. | 14:25 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah_torp, yes, but he don't want it for sure :P | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_torp: theres a devkit in sb | 14:29 |
| Macer | johnx: haha | 14:30 |
| Macer | dwell... i'm trying to get this damn marvell to work still | 14:30 |
| Macer | the realtek just simply worked | 14:30 |
| johnx | are you really doing something that benefits from gigabit ethernet? | 14:30 |
| Macer | yes | 14:31 |
| Macer | i am pretty sure i will be moving large files between the two | 14:31 |
| Macer | i wasn't able to get a 8169 working though for some sickly reason | 14:31 |
| Macer | and the onboard marvell isn't either | 14:32 |
| Macer | it sucks man :-\ | 14:32 |
| johnx | so what's the killer app on mac os x that you need so badly? or just enjoying hacking around? | 14:32 |
| Macer | osx is nicer on this than win7 | 14:33 |
| johnx | I just think there's so much difference between the hackintosh osx experience and the "mac" osx experience | 14:33 |
| jeremiah_torp | Stskeeps: Yeah, that devkit lokks like a bunch O' good stuff | 14:34 |
| jeremiah_torp | Macer: Is it that marvel sheeva plug? | 14:35 |
| johnx | Macer, couldn't really see how it would be worth it, but to each his own I guess | 14:35 |
| jeremiah_torp | Oh no, its not. :P | 14:35 |
| jeremiah_torp | And I think I should say Marvell, not marvel. | 14:35 |
| Macer | huh? | 14:36 |
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| johnx | mmm sheeva plug looks delicious | 14:36 |
| johnx | but so does the openrd-client | 14:36 |
| Macer | johnx: it's actually pretty nice | 14:36 |
| Macer | i have the 8139 working in it now but i really hate having that gbit one just sitting there | 14:36 |
| johnx | Macer, just like linux: it's a nice experience on hardware that it works well with and a constant battle in all other cases | 14:37 |
| Macer | heh | 14:37 |
| Macer | it's just a network card | 14:37 |
| Macer | and obviously other people have been able to get it working i just have no idea how :) | 14:37 |
| johnx | just don't come crying to me when you let software update run and it leaves your machine unbootable | 14:38 |
| johnx | :P | 14:38 |
| Macer | lol | 14:38 |
| Macer | speaking of which......... | 14:38 |
| Macer | no i'm not going to do that just yet :) | 14:38 |
| Macer | haha | 14:38 |
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| jeremiah_torp | johnx: Wha? Debian works flawlessly on 8 architectures, 12 if you a willing to use 'unofficial' arches. | 14:39 |
| jeremiah_torp | Linux works on more hardware than other toy OSes. :P | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | even netbsd? | 14:40 |
| johnx | and hardware that's only supported be creaky proprietary drivers that no one wants to touch still sucks | 14:40 |
| johnx | I can guarantee I can find machines that will run more stably in windows than linux | 14:40 |
| jeremiah_torp | johnx: That is mostly be design. | 14:40 |
| Macer | lol | 14:40 |
| jeremiah_torp | s/be/by/ | 14:40 |
| infobot | jeremiah_torp meant: johnx: That is mostly by design. | 14:40 |
| johnx | and I don't by that hardware anymore | 14:40 |
| johnx | s/by/buy | 14:40 |
| Macer | ok. i'm totally at a loss | 14:40 |
| Macer | i have no idea how to get this working | 14:40 |
| Macer | there is one last thing i can try and just pray it doesn't break the box | 14:40 |
| Macer | and if it does fuck it.. i'll go back to win7 | 14:41 |
| jeremiah_torp | Macer: Can you use a serial console to see the boot messages from the network card? | 14:41 |
| Macer | although. i do think i found out why kubuntu was going so slow | 14:41 |
| Macer | jeremiah_torp: boot messages from the network card? :) | 14:41 |
| jeremiah_torp | Its Kubuntu? | 14:41 |
| Macer | i can look at system.log and see why it's breaking | 14:41 |
| Macer | heh | 14:41 |
| Macer | no.. osx | 14:41 |
| jeremiah_torp | Macer: Yeah, at boot time there are often some messages, at least Broadcom likes to spit out some data which may or may not be useful. | 14:42 |
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| Macer | well.. the only thing i got on this last boot was that it was changing the ktext of teh Yukon2 card | 14:42 |
| Macer | i'm still trying to figure out how to get this damn onboard crap to work | 14:42 |
| jeremiah_torp | But I guess since you have the system logs you don't need boot messages. | 14:42 |
| Macer | although.. i thin i figured out why kubuntu was going so slow | 14:42 |
| Macer | the dynamic video stuff wasn't set to "fixed" in the bios :) | 14:43 |
| Macer | that sounds like something that would make a video card go slower | 14:43 |
| Macer | especially if it wasn't supported properly | 14:43 |
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| Macer | ok. think it is time to give up on this | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | ehlo wazd | 15:17 |
| RST38h | how are things | 15:17 |
| Macer | blah. well. looks like i am stuck with this realtek 100mbit card | 15:17 |
| Macer | i can't get this onboard card working | 15:17 |
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| troubalex | hello | 15:26 |
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| troubalex | silence? | 15:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | yeah | 15:27 |
| troubalex | well, it's Saturday... | 15:28 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi lopz | 15:38 |
| lopz | heya Meiz_n810 ! | 15:38 |
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| GnutOnMobile | Hi there | 16:01 |
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| tuuolio | too bad that 2 of my new n810 is died, anyone .... ? i think durability is very bad | 16:05 |
| rmt | You bought multiple N810's ? | 16:06 |
| rmt | And two of them have died? | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | if they are new you still have warranty left? :) | 16:06 |
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| ShadowJK | Seems like nokia only has 12 month warranty over there though :( | 16:13 |
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| n6pfk | Doing a scp of a video file, the N810 reboots before finishing the transfer. Any ideas of what's going wrong? | 19:11 |
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| VDVsx | Maemo @ GSoC meeting in about 40min at #maemo-gsoc, everyone is welcome. We will discuss the status of the projects | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess i'll pitch in, my ideas of maemo world domination goes fine along with the OE project ;) | 19:17 |
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| tank-man | n6pfk, no idea, try increasing log level and looking at logs | 19:24 |
| n6pfk | How do I increase log levels? | 19:25 |
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| n6pfk | What log file should look at? | 19:25 |
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| wazd_n800 | I'm baack =) | 20:23 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, ing? | 20:24 |
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| bobpaul__ | anyone know offhand what size torx you need to disassemble the n800? | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | Done watching Fringe | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | season end? | 20:38 |
| RST38h | yep | 20:38 |
| RST38h | It is kinda fun although does not quite reach SU2 or SCP level of schizophrenia | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | The phrase "Can we for once have a *human* perpetrator?" lifted from SU2. | 20:42 |
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| jaska | SU2 = ? | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | jaska: Special Unit 2, a short lived show similar to Fringe | 21:02 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 21:25 |
| thopiekar | where will the councill be? "Public Maemo Community Council Meeting" sounds like this will take place anywhere or something like a voip-conference.. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | irc probably | 21:27 |
| thopiekar | the maemo.org site says #maemo-meeting | 21:27 |
| thopiekar | but isn't there a better place / platform? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:28 |
| thopiekar | k | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | logged, transcribed, etc in one place | 21:28 |
| thopiekar | Monday, 8 June 2009, at 13:30 UTC .. is it 13:30 European time? | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | UTC is GMT .. with some seconds difference | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | Which isn't the same as BST, which is what the brits are currently on :) | 21:30 |
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| VDVsx | ShadowJK, BST is GMT+1 now | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | isn't it always? :) | 21:31 |
| VDVsx | ShadowJK, not in the summer | 21:31 |
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| ShadowJK | what? | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | BST is always GMT+1, surely | 21:32 |
| thopiekar | where is germany ? gmt+1? | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | gmt+2 | 21:32 |
| VDVsx | germany is CET | 21:32 |
| thopiekar | so the council will be for me at 15:30? | 21:33 |
| ShadowJK | VDVsx, germany is CEST | 21:33 |
| ShadowJK | in winter it's CET | 21:33 |
| thopiekar | summer and wintertime.. | 21:33 |
| VDVsx | ShadowJK, sure now is gmt+2 in germany :) | 21:34 |
| thopiekar | so i'm right that the council will be at 15:30 at GMT+2[Germany] ? | 21:35 |
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| VDVsx | thopiekar, I think so :) | 21:35 |
| thopiekar | I lucky that I will not be at school.. | 21:35 |
| thopiekar | I'm very interested in this discussion.. | 21:36 |
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| VDVsx | thopiekar, but you can confirm the time here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=8&year=2009&hour=13&min=30&sec=0&p1=0 | 21:37 |
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| thopiekar | thanks VDVsx | 21:37 |
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| thopiekar | about communication... the very important thing is the style of the talk.maemo.org-forum (itt).. since the merging with maemo.org I'm just confused for the new style.. | 21:38 |
| thopiekar | hopely we will talk about that tomorrow.. | 21:38 |
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| thopiekar | because I don't think that i'm the only one here.. | 21:39 |
| thopiekar | i'm not* | 21:39 |
| thopiekar | xD | 21:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lbt: http://live.prooo-box.org/de/misc/xray/XrayTool52_en.zip | 22:36 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wrong chan, but right person ;) | 22:37 |
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| kekegg | I can't make wireless work on Smart Q7, any idea? | 22:57 |
| lbt | qwerty12_N810: ta... | 22:58 |
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| lbt | kekegg: mer ? | 22:58 |
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| kekegg | Yes | 22:59 |
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| lbt | go to #mer | 23:00 |
| lbt | and ask there :) | 23:00 |
| kekegg | OK, thanks | 23:00 |
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