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| mmatth1 | if the user (or an application) changes the icd connection, should icd (?? or someone, not sure about all the layers) tell dnsmasq to restart? | 00:01 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 00:10 |
| rm_you | So, who from Nokia is coming to Denmark? | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots | 00:11 |
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| mikkov_ | there was a list somewhere | 00:12 |
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| rm_you | I need to convince one of them to bring me a phone :P | 00:13 |
| rm_you | I'll pay them for it, of course :) | 00:13 |
| rm_you | Is the N97 released in Europe? | 00:14 |
| mikkov_ | no | 00:15 |
| rm_you | damn, yeah, looks like July >_> | 00:16 |
| rm_you | I want one... so much... and my phone is basically dead... | 00:16 |
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| lardman | rm_you: lol | 00:19 |
| lardman | good luck though :) | 00:19 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you going? | 00:19 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: do you have kernel code somewhere too? | 00:34 |
| lardman | or a link to the download site even? | 00:34 |
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| lardman | hmm, I wonder if that prism stuff is the firmware in the form of a table of binary data...? | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, Copenhagen? No. | 00:43 |
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| lardman | and the next summit....? Go on! :) | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, shoulda pre-ordered from nokiausa.com when it what $484 | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, an EU handset wont have a US warranty | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Coming out same time in US, anyway. | 00:44 |
| rm_you | ah | 00:46 |
| rm_you | damn it was HOW CHEAP? | 00:46 |
| rm_you | >_< | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:46 |
| rm_you | blah | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | %35 off | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got a 5800 for about $250 | 00:46 |
| rm_you | i wish i had known | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:47 |
| rm_you | I wantses one >_< | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, want me to call you for the next one? :P | 00:47 |
| rm_you | I will have the money... | 00:47 |
| rm_you | so whatever | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I'd wait for a Maemo phone before spending $500+ on a Symbian device. | 00:47 |
| rm_you | still, would be great to get a nokian to grab me one and bring it :P wouldn't they get an employee discount or something? lol | 00:47 |
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| rm_you | yeah well that'll be WHEN exactly? | 00:48 |
| rm_you | my phone is broken NOW. >_< | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, maybe RX-71 | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get an E71, 5800, or something in the mean time. | 00:48 |
| rm_you | like, majorly bizznorken | 00:48 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:48 |
| rm_you | i suppose | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | E55, even | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be cool and join the 5800 club with me. :P | 00:49 |
| rm_you | lol so spend $359 for a TEMPORARY phone? >_> | 00:49 |
| rm_you | T_T | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait for a discount | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazon has it for $300 sometimes | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dell had it for $200 | 00:50 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | N97 isn't worth it next to an RX-51, really. | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, rm_you, I had this problem myself | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm glad I didn't bother with a really expensive S60 phone | 00:52 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 00:52 |
| rm_you | rmrmrm | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just wait. :P | 00:52 |
| rm_you | if i buy through tmobile it'll work in the meantime i suppose | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | S60 sucks anyway | 00:52 |
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| rm_you | looking at the 3555 | 00:54 |
| rm_you | only phone tmobile sells that supports 3G | 00:54 |
| rm_you | so i could use it with my n800 ^_^ | 00:54 |
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| rm_you | and it's free with contract, which matters little as i'll be with tmobile for like, forever anyway | 00:55 |
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| pupnik_ | you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do | 01:04 |
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| pupnik_ | you know the more real life you have, the less irc you do | 01:05 |
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| AFBN810 | Hello | 01:18 |
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| GuySoft | andre__, hey, i sent you the coredump | 01:23 |
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| shapr | Does anyone know which OMAP3 chip the next tablet will have? | 01:41 |
| wjt | shapr: what're you plotting? | 01:42 |
| shapr | Er, nothing really... | 01:43 |
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| shapr | Just trying to figure out what sort of graphics hardware and DSPs will be in the next tablet. | 01:44 |
| wjt | shapr: wondered if you had sinister monadic plans :) | 01:44 |
| shapr | Well, sort of... | 01:44 |
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| shapr | I was just investigating ARM cores, since I own two, and I wanted to see what the next tablet would offer. | 01:45 |
| shapr | I am trying to build GHC for my N800 and BUG though. | 01:45 |
| lardman | 3430 iirc | 01:45 |
| shapr | thanks | 01:45 |
| lardman | look for 3530 for the docs though | 01:45 |
| lardman | spruf98b.pdf would be a good start | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, OMAP3430 | 01:45 |
| shapr | Ok, so that makes it a 600MHz core, with PowerVR SGX 530 and the C64x+ DSP ISP | 01:46 |
| lardman | sounds about right | 01:46 |
| shapr | So now I just have to figure out if ARM11 binaries will run on the Cortex-A8 | 01:48 |
| lardman | yes they will | 01:48 |
| lardman | always backwards compatible | 01:49 |
| shapr | spiffy | 01:49 |
| lardman | though you may have issues with the version of GCC/libc/etc | 01:49 |
| shapr | Yeah, I was wondering about that. | 01:49 |
| lardman | what are you looking to run? | 01:49 |
| shapr | I was just wondering if I could build binaries that would work on N800/BUG/whatever is nokia's next. | 01:51 |
| lardman | Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30? | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | API is the issue, not ABI | 01:52 |
| lardman | gcc3 vs 4? | 01:52 |
| lardman | no name mangling differences? | 01:52 |
| LiraNuna | <lardman> Anyone got performance figures handy for the PowerVR chips in the omap2420 & 3x30? | 01:54 |
| LiraNuna | there are but not in details | 01:54 |
| LiraNuna | at least for the 2440 | 01:54 |
| LiraNuna | 2420* | 01:55 |
| LiraNuna | lardman, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6023095418.html // does this help? | 01:55 |
| lardman | I was looking to compare with the Samsung 6410 which reckons 4M triangles/s (transform only) and 75.8M pix/s fill rate (shaded pixels) | 01:55 |
| lardman | cool thanks, that was the page I was thinking of | 01:56 |
| lardman | so basically the Samsung chip is about twice as fast | 01:57 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen Stskeeps | 02:05 |
| infobot | stskeeps is currently on #maemo (10h 21m 25s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 2h 11m 48s, last said: 'evening rkirti'. | 02:05 |
| xnt14 | oh 2h :P | 02:05 |
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| xnt14 | Stskeeps: you there? | 02:06 |
| xnt14 | which one xD | 02:06 |
| xnt14 | StsN800, Stskeeps, or Stskeepsie? | 02:06 |
| xnt14 | *ie | 02:07 |
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| lardman | well as exciting as it is sitting here reading about the wonders of the omap3X30 chips (and it is actually quite exciting), I think I should go to bed | 02:11 |
| lardman | night all | 02:11 |
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| b-man | ~burn the world | 03:08 |
| b-man | infobot! | 03:08 |
| b-man | -_- | 03:08 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over the world, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 03:08 | |
| b-man | :D | 03:11 |
| b-man | lol | 03:12 |
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| Shadow__X | can carman get the fuel econ | 03:59 |
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| * b-man | 04:03 | |
| xnt14 | omfg :P xD | 04:03 |
| b-man | did you meet mtc yet? lol | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | yup | 04:03 |
| b-man | are you interested? | 04:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, how do you propose? ;) | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most cars don't have flow gauges | 04:06 |
| Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, by the computer | 04:09 |
| Shadow__X | http://www.scangauge.com/ | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, what information from the computer are you planning on using? :) | 04:10 |
| Shadow__X | i just want the fuel economy of my car | 04:10 |
| Shadow__X | scangauge can do it and wondered if carman could | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The values needed to calculate that aren't available from the OBD-II | 04:11 |
| Shadow__X | i mean it should be able to | 04:11 |
| Shadow__X | then why can scan guage 2 do it | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's having you enter additional values manually? | 04:13 |
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| Shadow__X | i dont think so i am pretty sure you can figure out the values with just by using the cars computer | 04:14 |
| Shadow__X | odb2 should give you a wealth of info | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | Not enough, though | 04:15 |
| Shadow__X | everything could do more | 04:15 |
| Shadow__X | http://www.scangauge.com/support/horsepower.shtml | 04:15 |
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| Shadow__X | http://www.scangauge.com/features/tripcomputer.shtml | 04:16 |
| Shadow__X | it gives enough info for atleast that | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Talk to the Carman devs. There IS a reason. | 04:17 |
| Shadow__X | is there a carman room | 04:17 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 04:17 |
| Shadow__X | i rather use carman with my n810 but if am leaning towards the scangauge | 04:18 |
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| torkiano | hello, I get this error when autogen.sh: Makefile.am:7: HAVE_GNOME_DOC_UTILS does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL | 08:00 |
| torkiano | in scrachbox | 08:00 |
| torkiano | in Ubuntu my applications compiles without problems | 08:01 |
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| torkiano | can anyone help me? | 08:04 |
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| * RST38h suggests against using autoconf | 08:08 | |
| RST38h | No autoconf -> no problem | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'm with RST38h on that one:P | 08:11 |
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| torkiano | RST38h, Stskeeps :) | 08:37 |
| torkiano | probably, but is not my decission :( | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | torkiano: then add that crap to the .am file, similarly to the crap that is already there | 08:47 |
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| torkiano | RST38h, Similar to this: http://pastebin.com/m1032f564 ? | 08:50 |
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| RST38h | torkiano: no, I think you have just pasted code that processes this define | 08:55 |
| RST38h | torkiano: while autogen complained about the define itself | 08:55 |
| RST38h | anyways off to work. it has been a painfully long weekend. | 08:55 |
| torkiano | RST38h, mmm, yes, you are rigth. | 08:56 |
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| torkiano | Do you know how can I add HAVE_GNOME_DOC_UTILS to the AM_CONDITIONAL? | 08:56 |
| torkiano | is in congigure.ac file? | 08:57 |
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| fireun | it wasnt me | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:21 |
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| X-Fade | oh phone oh? :) | 11:57 |
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| lcuk | fireun, yes it was | 11:59 |
| lcuk | mornin X-Fade Stskeeps \o | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | Hi lcuk. | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/intel_and_nokia_announce_the_ofono_project/ | 12:01 |
| lcuk | niels, supposing i wanted to start to manage a number of packages on garage, do i have to register each of them at the moment, i know some things are changing re .git stuff | 12:01 |
| lcuk | yeah i saw that, looks very interesting :) | 12:01 |
| lcuk | it was only a couple of years ago lots were saying there wouldnt be an OSS telephony stack like that | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | I wonder if we could use that to send SMS messages through the modem of the RX51? :) | 12:02 |
| lcuk | dunno, i still no nothing about networking in general | 12:02 |
| lcuk | i wish phones responded to normal ping :D | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Well you can create a project on garage where you just put all your application in one git? | 12:03 |
| lcuk | ive got that, im just sorting out and organising things | 12:03 |
| lcuk | but i dont really want everything in one place | 12:03 |
| lcuk | because now i can run liq* modules completely standalone, i could theoretically just release each tiiny project one at a time | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: But does it really make sense to have them all seperate? | 12:04 |
| lcuk | they are still bundled together at this point mainly so i can fixup bugs and make sure i can handle everything | 12:04 |
| lcuk | in some respects yeah x-fade | 12:04 |
| lcuk | a common question from people were "i want the book reader, but dont want xyz" | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | One can always check out one specific folder? | 12:05 |
| lcuk | others said i love the sketching etc | 12:05 |
| lcuk | well thats tricky and they cant have a menu item | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: you can't check out subtrees in git | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | that's one of the reasons why i requested multiple git repos per project :) | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well yeah, source code. But you can build a specific subfolder if you want? | 12:05 |
| lcuk | ive written this to allow people top run standalone stuff as well if they desire, but its obviously nicer running the whole thing :) | 12:05 |
| lcuk | oh yeah x-fade, folders are on their own | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: well you can't say have a repository with directories a b c and then only check out a | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It is not like liqbase is kernel sized ;) | 12:06 |
| lcuk | but suppose a dev wants to help out with the book reader | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | do they need to checkout the whole thing including skethcing and library and everything.. | 12:06 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, not yet :) | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: How long does a pull take? 3 secs? :) | 12:06 |
| lbt | Qt is a single project... | 12:07 |
| lcuk | but when 30 or 40 or 50 complete full apps exist inside | 12:07 |
| RST38h | more stuff = more mess | 12:07 |
| lcuk | agreed rst | 12:07 |
| RST38h | so yea, separate apps are good | 12:07 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, its 60mb | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | but also more time to manage. | 12:07 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Not really | 12:07 |
| lcuk | yes X-Fade | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | And to track changes you need to look at every repo. | 12:07 |
| lcuk | but on the same tune if/once this takes off other apps will come from completely outside the core stuff im playing with | 12:08 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: From lcuk's point of view it is all one thing but from developer's point of view only his/her app exists + the liqbase common lib | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | And sharing common code is harder. | 12:08 |
| * lcuk is proving a concept | 12:08 | |
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| * lbt thinks a single project makes more sense until you have a published and stable API | 12:08 | |
| RST38h | Code sharing shouldbe controlled anyway | 12:08 |
| lcuk | X-Fade - does a developer need to download the full GTK library source just to develop a GTK app | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: How would you track dependencies between the libs and the code? | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Unless you want to end up with another GNOME or KDE | 12:08 |
| lcuk | agreed lbt | 12:08 |
| lcuk | i was just pondering out loud howit might be done iwth the infrastructure we have | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | I'm always for the point, let's see when we get there. | 12:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, code sharing is best when its just the library and specific dependencies | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | But I guess that is me ;) | 12:09 |
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| X-Fade | Permature optimizing is the root of all evil.. | 12:10 |
| lbt | does apt-get install liqbase-dev work? | 12:10 |
| lcuk | not yet i was gonna try to make a meta package last night to do that | 12:10 |
| lbt | plus... it's easy to take a git tree with multiple subdirs and break it up | 12:10 |
| lbt | and you can experiment inside a tree too | 12:11 |
| lcuk | yeah its coming into shape quite nicely, but before i start running i obviously want to cleanup and know which direction each little module will take | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt, do you get commit messages from my server | 12:13 |
| lbt | no | 12:13 |
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| lbt | I think the real answer is multiple git repos per project ;) | 12:14 |
| lcuk | mm maybe you had to signup lol, ive been a busy beaver recently | 12:14 |
| lcuk | 1 repo per project | 12:14 |
| lcuk | but multiple repos for the whole thing | 12:14 |
| lcuk | o_O can i just carry on writing into single head principle repo but have it update the other sub repos at same time | 12:15 |
| lcuk | crap, gotta go, bbl ta for chat guys \o | 12:16 |
| lbt | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/using-merge-subtree.html | 12:16 |
| lbt | may be an answer when we have multiple gits per project | 12:16 |
| lbt | or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html | 12:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: What is the problem anyway? | 12:44 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Why not make a single SVN directory, create separate directories for each project under it (including the common part) and let developers check out whatever subdirectories they want, or the whole thing? | 12:45 |
| * lbt throws up at the thought of svn | 12:45 | |
| * lcuk throws up at the thought of lbt throwing up at the thought of svn | 12:46 | |
| * lbt watched south park episode 1 last night and hope it's not true love! | 12:47 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, thats what i have, but im scoping out how easy it will be for a developer to just create their own liq* app with only the -dev package and none of the other stuff | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: He does not have to check out the other stuff anyway | 12:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If you just want to make a package with development libraries and headers, do it by all means, although this is completely separate from the source code repository issue | 12:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk; There are two kinds of developers: hardcore ones who check out a copy of the SVN and update it regularly and normal type, ones that just use whatever -dev package they have got | 12:49 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: Why can't I add another comment to http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fillets-ng/ ? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I comment per day limit? | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: 1 ;) | 12:56 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: why do we need that? | 12:57 |
| VDVsx | lbt, south park fan ? :P | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Because ratings are comments basically. | 12:57 |
| lbt | it has its great moments! | 12:57 |
| mikkov_ | except from the author | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Well, we might want to be a bit smarter about it. | 12:58 |
| mikkov_ | imo, everybody should be able to leave a comment without a rating | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes, there is a bug open for that. That is on my todo. | 12:59 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: it's not that important. maemo.org login problems are getting even worse for me | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, testing different setups at the moment. | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I just did a change that hopefully makes things a bit better there.. | 13:01 |
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| mikkov_ | at the moment my login stays valid from one to 5 clicks | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yep, for me too. | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/kettering_to_london/ <=== lcuk, is it really that crazy over there? =) | 13:02 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: well now it stays valid much longer :) | 13:02 |
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| mikkov_ | not anymore :) | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Hmm one of the servers in the cluster has clock issues. | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | ntpd[17888]: adjusting local clock by 3796.866996s | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | ntpd[17888]: adjtime failed: Invalid argument | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | Well, that can't be good. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | timezone too maybe | 13:05 |
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| X-Fade | No, timezone is ok. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Somehow it can't adjust the clock. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Which is weird. | 13:05 |
| lardman | hi chaps | 13:05 |
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| lbt | is ntp user privileged? | 13:06 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sounds reasonable, ask lardman, he just did a similar slog across the country lol | 13:07 |
| lcuk | \o mornin simon | 13:07 |
| * lcuk hates clocks | 13:07 | |
| lcuk | i almost threw my tablet out the window after seeing "clock skew detected your build may be incomplete" message again the other day | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | hah :P | 13:08 |
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| lardman | aargh, lost a patch somewhere | 13:14 |
| lardman | too many directories of stuff | 13:14 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I did some packet dumping yesterday and noticed that sometimes timestamps were one hour off | 13:14 |
| mikkov_ | sometimes the expiry date was set to 1981 | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, server 1 was one hour off. | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I corrected that an now it looks better. | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah the 1981 expiry date is for things that don't change. | 13:15 |
| lardman | I'm rubbish, does anyone have a linky to pH5's PowerVR power-up kernel patch? | 13:18 |
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| lardman | hmm, now where did I write down the register block address... | 13:23 |
| lardman | ~kick lardman for not making better notes | 13:23 |
| * infobot kicks lardman for not making better notes | 13:23 | |
| Stskeeps | trying to match up with the smartq? ;) | 13:24 |
| lardman | well I was reading, and I saw that people were speculating that the iPhone has a Samsung s3c6400 in it, and it has an MBX lite inside, so.... | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 13:25 |
| lardman | quite | 13:25 |
| lardman | the Intel 2700G is another one which contains a PowerVR | 13:25 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: the login seems to work for me. But when I logout I keep seeing logged in pages from browser cache :) | 13:25 |
| lardman | I wonder how much the register mappings would change, other than the base address | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: That is one of the 'benefits' of caching pages. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But it should not cache when logged in.. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0 | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Pragma: no-cache | 13:27 |
| lardman | OMAP3 docs are still crap for the PowerVR stuff | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Should really not be cached in your browser ;) | 13:27 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Although we allow some pages to be cached for 5 minutes when authenticated. | 13:30 |
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| lardman | hmm, I need to compare the Samsung and PowerVR caps and see if they might be the same things | 13:38 |
| lardman | Samsung seems to manage 8 textures, while I thought the MBX could only do 2 | 13:39 |
| lardman | not sure about the MBX Lite though | 13:39 |
| lcuk | one of those textures is the powervr logo | 13:40 |
| lcuk | its like windows version for emerging countries lol | 13:41 |
| lcuk | is there a list somewhere for maemo specifically where someone has gone through the entire rootfs folder structure and worked out whether stuff can be culled without impact | 13:42 |
| lcuk | or noting what impact it will have | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | i have a slight problem with being out of space :$ my fs is running on empty | 13:43 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: locales? | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, i can look later | 13:44 |
| lcuk | whats the actual path tho? | 13:44 |
| * lcuk gets lost in unixfs | 13:44 | |
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| lardman | hmm, I guess # of textures is limited by memory and whatever limits the software layer puts in place | 13:50 |
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| * RST38h starts suspecting that lardman has met the 3D accelerator in Samsung chip | 14:12 | |
| RST38h | lardman: true? | 14:12 |
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| lardman | I've read the docs | 14:13 |
| lardman | am torn between picking up one of these smartq things or trying to hack the driver on the n8x0 | 14:13 |
| RST38h | lardman: I am also jittery on the smartq | 14:14 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is too cheap and cool looking | 14:14 |
| lardman | I think the Q7 would be interesting, not too keen on the Q5 other than as a machine to hack on | 14:14 |
| lbt | lardman.. hack the driver and you may well end up with a free/rebated SmartQ | 14:15 |
| lbt | Q7 = Q5 with bigger LCD | 14:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: I like the Q5 case better but the bigger screen wins | 14:15 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and battery | 14:15 |
| lardman | not much to be done without hw though, the spec details are all there, just needs some experimentation | 14:15 |
| lbt | same resolution | 14:15 |
| lbt | how transfererable would the driver be N8x0<>SmartQ | 14:16 |
| lbt | bye.,...bbl | 14:16 |
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| lardman | well not transferable at all, and there's no driver for the Samsuung, just a description of the register bank, which is what is interesting | 14:16 |
| roadies | anyone know where you can get the mysql source tree for maemo? all I see is executable in the garage.maemo site | 14:17 |
| lardman | apt-get source ...? | 14:17 |
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| roadies | lardman: I'm on a Fedora system trying to cross-build it, not sure what apt-get source to get, have you every tried it? | 14:27 |
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| lardman | I use it, but haven't tried to build it | 14:28 |
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| lardman | what does "apt-cache search mysql" give you as options? | 14:29 |
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| crashanddie | oracle and postgre | 14:32 |
| lardman | hmm | 14:33 |
| lardman | what's the address of the scratchbox repo? | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: tsk tsk.. PostgreSQL ;) | 14:35 |
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| andrewfblack | Hello | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | http://failblog.org/2009/05/09/late-night-snack-fail/ hahahahahaha | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | five pounds? | 15:06 |
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| aspect | my n800 seems to periodically decide that it doesn't want to read /media/mmc1 -- file manager shows it as unformatted but refuses to do anything about it. a reboot tends to fix it, but sometimes it takes a few. is this likely to be the card, the socket, or something else? | 15:37 |
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| dl9pf | aspect: formatte with fat ? | 15:46 |
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| aspect | yes | 15:48 |
| dl9pf | hmm here i had it that the fat formatted card got ro and also the fat driver oopsed | 15:49 |
| dl9pf | so if you reboot, probly a fs-check is done and its remounted | 15:49 |
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| lardman | re | 15:50 |
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| aspect | hmm good one, maybe I'll reformat it and see how that goes | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | out travelling, andre? :) | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | andre_: Trolling? | 15:51 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, heh. not yet. why? :) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, just being in .de :P | 15:52 |
| andre__ | oh. where are you? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i meant that you are in .de instead of the other place you live :P | 15:52 |
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| * andre__ confused | 15:53 | |
| andre__ | no, i'm going to be in .de the entire next week | 15:53 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, trolling? where? | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Looks like you are a troll atm? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: the "andre_" person confuses me then :) | 15:53 |
| andre__ | ah. | 15:53 |
| andre__ | didn't see that. | 15:53 |
| andre__ | andre__ is andre__. i don't know andre_. | 15:54 |
| andre__ | and i don't work on qt :) | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:54 |
| andre__ | now i get the conversation. thanks for the hint :-P | 15:55 |
| aspect | unrelated question: as of a few hours ago, when I turn my device off the d-pad LED keeps flashing -- what could be causing that? | 15:55 |
| andre__ | someone wants to propose a new nick for me? :) | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | klapper? :P | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | (to clap in danish :P) | 15:55 |
| andre__ | rattle | 15:56 |
| lardman | to have the clap or to clap...? ;) | 15:56 |
| andre__ | can i have a poll on ITt? :-P | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:56 |
| lardman | lol | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | bugbait? ;p | 15:56 |
| andrewfblack | if you did andre_______ it would be easier to see your not andre_ | 15:56 |
| andre__ | :-D | 15:56 |
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| andre_______ | np | 15:57 |
| andre_ | andrewfblack: actually I think he came here first.... | 15:57 |
| lardman | Pyrethrin? | 15:57 |
| andrewfblack | lol | 15:57 |
| andrewfblack | how about andre_1 and andre_2 | 15:57 |
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| andre_______ | hmm, i got seven underscores. now that will surely impress the girls in here. | 15:58 |
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| andrewfblack | lol first you have to get some girls in here :P | 15:58 |
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| andre_______ | something_else, darn, we already had that name conflict in #gtk+ on irc.gimp.net :) | 15:58 |
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| something_else | andre_______: yes, /nick somethingelse does not work, I just tried it myself ;} | 16:00 |
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| andre_______ | hehe | 16:00 |
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| aquatix | andre_______: watch out noone steps on your tail | 16:04 |
| andre_______ | i'll teach'em! | 16:04 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:05 |
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| xnt[from_School] | Hello World Again :P | 16:17 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hi! | 16:31 |
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| lcuk_homeless | lcuk - tracy, all i wanted to do was check my mails!!! @/ | 16:55 |
| * lcuk_homeless lost his computer | 16:55 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe, rdesktop? | 16:56 |
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| Veggen | lcuk: there is only one solution: each person has his/her own computer. | 16:58 |
| Veggen | sharing just doesn't work. | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | lcuk_homeless: DoS her! | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | Brain Scanning May Be Used In EU Security Checks. | 17:03 |
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| lcuk_homeless | it might work if we all distract her with flashing xchat, but then again she might close it and thats not what i want | 17:12 |
| lcuk_homeless | Veggen: it normally works, but occasionally we collide | 17:12 |
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| pupnik | i want a patch for firefox that deactivates all flahs and scripts on pages that are not exposed | 17:13 |
| pupnik | flash | 17:13 |
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| pupnik | 90% cpu as usual | 17:13 |
| lcuk_homeless | pupnik: a proer flashblock would be better really | 17:13 |
| lcuk_homeless | simply dont have extra stuffs running unless explicitely asked | 17:14 |
| * lcuk_homeless is front | 17:14 | |
| pupnik | hi hi | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | actually, if somebody provided a wrapper for gettimeofday... | 17:16 |
| lcuk_homeless | whats that matter? | 17:17 |
| lcuk_homeless | or how would it help | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | feh, i'm going to have to hack ffox itself | 17:18 |
| pupnik | not finding this patch | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Flash players execute gettimeofday() in a busy loop | 17:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: making some modifications to this function should make them less evil | 17:30 |
| lopz | hola | 17:31 |
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| pupnik | nice RST38h | 17:31 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i don't see why hidden tabs have to execute anything | 17:32 |
| pupnik | i mean, it might break some time-aware pages | 17:32 |
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| pupnik | but i want them to SUSPEND | 17:32 |
| pupnik | when i am not using them | 17:32 |
| pupnik | the whole, damn, page | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Well there are two modifications you can make to gettimeofday | 17:33 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the first one is to avoid syscall and that can be done by providing gettimeofday value from the kernel via some device (/dev/rtc springs to mind) and mmapping it from libc | 17:34 |
| pupnik | you think it's mainly flash? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | I don't think, I know | 17:34 |
| * RST38h did some testing | 17:34 | |
| pupnik | ok | 17:34 |
| pupnik | i haven't built ffox yet - running the beta (shiretoko) atm | 17:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the second one is to add usleep() or nanosleep() inside gettimeofday() so that it decreases resolution but makes it less evil | 17:34 |
| RST38h | rebuilding ffox won't do you any good | 17:34 |
| pupnik | oh right | 17:35 |
| pupnik | flash bin | 17:35 |
| pupnik | duh | 17:35 |
| RST38h | yep | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Do an strace on MicroB | 17:35 |
| pupnik | thank you | 17:35 |
| pupnik | dumbest thing i've typed in weeks | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | Open a site with some flash movies and strace MicroB on that site | 17:44 |
| RST38h | After you throw up, look for "gettimeofday optimization" on Google | 17:44 |
| RST38h | You will find at least one fix done by RedHat guys using Intel TSC counter (not applicable to tablets) and some discussion | 17:45 |
| RST38h | The fix basically involves exposing gettimeofday result to users via mmap and overloading gettimeofday() libc call | 17:45 |
| RST38h | A better idea would be locating idiots who wrote Flash plugin and repeatedly hitting them on the head with a baseball bat | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: no way to suspend flash? | 17:48 |
| pupnik | :( | 17:48 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: MicroB has got a FlashBlock extension | 17:50 |
| pupnik | ok | 17:50 |
| pupnik | manually activating flash is probly the answer | 17:50 |
| pupnik | via flashblock | 17:50 |
| RST38h | yes, it is the lazy answer to the problem | 17:51 |
| pupnik | could each flash object be instanced in a new process RST38h ? | 17:53 |
| pupnik | then all non-displayed tabs' flash could be suspended, yes? | 17:53 |
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| derf | I like this baseball bat proposal. | 17:54 |
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| pupnik | :) | 17:59 |
| pupnik | http://ns25042.ovh.net:8010 Zen FM - stream is pretty nice atm | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: I do not think you can make them processes | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: threads yes, but not processes | 18:06 |
| RST38h | in any case, suspending them just accomplishes what flashblock already does | 18:06 |
| RST38h | the real solution would be to give them some total time slice to run and forget about them, let them share that time slice between themselves | 18:07 |
| pupnik | hm | 18:09 |
| pupnik | flashblock won't suspend a running flash on the tabs i have open | 18:10 |
| pupnik | but not displayed | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Microb does not support tabs does it? | 18:10 |
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| RST38h | and Flashblock is made for MicroB | 18:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: technically microb does support tabs | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | however we never shipped the tab ui | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and tabbed ui is stupid for an os where the window manager itself uses tabs | 18:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: and yes, Flash is indeed the gettimeofday caller | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but anyone could have told you that w/o wasting time using strace and friends | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | as for who wrote flash, it's Adobe, you don't really have to look too hard | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: if you're playing a flash video in the background | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really want it suspended? | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe it's the evening news | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and all you really care about is the Broadcaster's voice | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe it's a concert, and all you really care about is the music | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe it's gmail chat and all you want to know is that someone sent you a new message | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe it's a custom app that tells you when you need to rebid to capture an eBay auction | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe it's a custom app which does file downloading or torrenting | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't try to micro manage flash this way | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you're as bad as the product people at nokia | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | who go out of their way to break user's ability to actually use the product | 18:16 |
| * RST38h seriously considers just ignoring this guy | 18:16 | |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: 99% of the flash that runs i want stopped | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: i know | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | disable it in the friendly menu and enable it when you need it? | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | but trust me | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i do :) | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't want a policy to break these things | 18:17 |
| pupnik | mhm | 18:17 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't want flash, disable it | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | our browser has one of the *best* uis for doing that | 18:18 |
| pupnik | i can't disable a running flash | 18:18 |
| RST38h | It is pointless | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | unchecking flash in components should | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, but you can preempt it :P | 18:18 |
| rmt | Is there a cmdline tool (or a library call) to switch the display on/off and to unlock/lock the kbd ? | 18:18 |
| pupnik | hmm ty timeless_mbp will look at this | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: dbus calls probably | 18:18 |
| rmt | Ok | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | at least for the last part | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Maemo Flash player has got a fundamental bug. It is not going to be fixed. It does not come with the source. | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: it isn't Maemo Flash Player | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's Adobe Flash Player | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you're getting the same genuine flash player that a normal person gets | 18:19 |
| RST38h | Now, I personally do not want to hear how this bug improves my user experience and how I really do not want it to be fixed | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't complain about maemo | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: then go away | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | don't complain about working features here | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you already have choices like; | 18:19 |
| * RST38h did not complain about any features, especially to timeless | 18:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | 1. turning off flash block | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. using adblock | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. probably using flashblock | 18:20 |
| * RST38h was discussing with pupnik possible ways to fix the Flash problem not having the source code | 18:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | s/(1.*) block/$1 player/ | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: offhand, that's probably a (c) violation | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'd basically have stolen code on your computer | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you hack it | 18:20 |
| * RST38h sighs | 18:21 | |
| Stskeeps | depends if you do it with a LD_PRELOAD for gettimeofday or kernel modification | 18:21 |
| RST38h | *** Ignoring PUBLIC from TIMELESS_MBP | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm assuming that changing gettimeofday would break video playback | 18:21 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 18:21 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Apparently, it takes both | 18:22 |
| * pupnik is sorry to have brought it up | 18:22 | |
| RST38h | Sts: There is another idea though: given that these flash players are probably threads, isn't there some way to control thread priorities? | 18:22 |
| * xnt[from_School] is back | 18:23 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: anyway, the thing i was speaking about the other day was that i released a firmware internally for one of those smartq5 tablets and less than 12 hours later it ends up with a good bunch off rumours (it's the famed n900 nokia os, it's the beta release of smartq english firmware, it's a pink elephant), and it's own blurry pictures collection: http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/html/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta.html | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: This modification can probably be done in the MicroB itself | 18:23 |
| xnt[from_School] | Stskeeps: it was a internal release? | 18:23 |
| xnt[from_School] | n900 OS xD | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: cute | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, flash player must do some work on the ui thread | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | since that's in general the only thread from which they're allowed to do rendering | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and if someone manages to stuff up the browser nicely enough | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i believe there's much to be earned in seperation of tasks in one way or the other in a browser .. browsers are almost like OS'es or virtual machines these days in some ways | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | because the ui thread was waiting for behavior from a thread | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: fwiw, external process hosting for plugins will probably come | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: Google Chrome, here you go :) | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know when | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | definitely not for fremantle | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but keep in mind that flash applets like being able to talk to eachother | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Sts: No, I do not think the current embedded object model allows task separation | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you have 4 flash applets, you'd probably have only one flash host | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which means if 1 of those applets is important and you try to penalize the other 3, you're shooting yourself in the groin to improve your walking | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: eventually the browser and everything just merges together anyway :P | 18:26 |
| pupnik | wow this is informative :) | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: fwiw, RST38h is wrong | 18:27 |
| pupnik | as a user, i want stuff i'm not using to not consume cpu | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: correct | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | but as a program, the program has no clue which stuff you care about or why | 18:27 |
| rmt | Probably more important .. I've now setup bootmenu, and copied files across to /dev/mmc3 (an ext3 partition, 2nd partition on internal mmc, aka immc2 and /dev/mmcblk0p2) .. duplicated with gnu tar, like nupgrade.sh does it .. but no luck..says failed to boot from immc2 (sfdisk says: /dev/mmcblk0p2 : start= 120064, size= 3812096, Id=83) | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | as a user, i want to be told which things are using my cpu | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:27 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: firefox is taking 80-90% of my 2ghz pentium-M atm | 18:27 |
| pupnik | and i'm in irssi now | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | and have a way of saying "that's ok", "this isn't" | 18:27 |
| pupnik | k | 18:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: this is wrong. | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | the only person who can decide which is ok is the user | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | does the n800 run at 400Mhz on OS2008? | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: most of the time | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | I think that's bull but just want to verify | 18:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I think it has just gone haywire, restart | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | it does the same cpu frequency scaling that the n810 does | 18:28 |
| pupnik | no this is 30 tabs of craptastc sites without adblock :) | 18:28 |
| RST38h | crash: yes whe in performance mode | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | oh, right | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | it has to switch to the lower speed when it needs to do DSP work | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i would actually really love something like a simple resource monitor that showed how much a process burned of resources | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | like, in general | 18:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: well, start with adblock then =) | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: that's precisely what i've asked for internally | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the right answer to the right problem | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of "let's cripple the browser" | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | believe me, i do have your interests at heart | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but please, don't just try to shoot first and ask questions later | 18:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: Actually, I probably do not want "everything" merged into the browser :) | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the questions your customers will ask are "why is everything broken" | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | because your wild aim will hit lots of unintended targets that you didn't dream of | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you and most nokians | 18:29 |
| * timeless_mbp does a lot more dreaming than most people | 18:30 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'm pondering if we can do some simple things - you saw the mer rightmost menu? including a simple visualization of how much cpu/io/whatever it burns.. it really should be possible to get it semi accurate | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | like high network traffic, etc | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | causing the tablet to lose power | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: my proposal for the os2008 or so time frame was to change how the battery meter worked | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | so that in addition to showing charging it would show draining | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be neat | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and clicking it would let you see who was draining it the most | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if something like dtrace would be useful, hm | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | mostly your choices are DSP task, WiFi, processes, unknown kernel tasks, processes using gettimeofday, and plugins | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | something like that anyway | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | or things keeping backlight alive | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it has to be fairly standard constants | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah that too | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i /think/ that it might be possible to ship an oprofile enabled kernel... | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | where oprofile is not on most of the time | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but clicking the battery meter enables it | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | so it profiles while battery meter is open | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and then a second or two later you tell the user which things oprofile found | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll need to add some heuristics | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and support for pluggable heuristics | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's definitely doable | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if powertop has something like that | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h and friends are actually capable of helping write those heurisitics | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | when they aren't busy being bulls in china shops | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'd love to see a proto for this | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | and this is an area where Mer could get things going much sooner | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | what i really hate is that when i work on mer is that i find things i would much rather have had chosen as my thesis topic :P | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | it seems like powertop exists for omap3, intruiging | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, for plugins, among other things, the browser should be able to conspire w/ such a meter to tell it how many plugin instances are open | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. to help the understanding of the raw data | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and technically the browser can stop individual instances, so w/ work it should be possible for a meter to let the user say "try stopping all of the plugins", or "resume this one" | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but the first step is for someone to make a basic impl | 18:38 |
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| pupnik | http://ns25042.ovh.net:8010 | 18:38 |
| pupnik | you might like that station - chillout | 18:39 |
| pupnik | lotek/lofi | 18:39 |
| pupnik | flag to lardman: | 18:39 |
| lardman | hello | 18:39 |
| pupnik | :) | 18:39 |
| lardman | sorry, just got back from a meeting | 18:39 |
| pupnik | k. | 18:39 |
| pupnik | make your girlfriend listen to it | 18:39 |
| pupnik | or streamrip for later - this set is damn good | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'll keep that in mind, - it's really one of those tools that would be great on mobile devices | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | because nothing sucks more than a battery low message when you need it the rest of the day | 18:40 |
| lardman | pupnik: cheers | 18:40 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 18:40 | |
| lardman | so, was the rx-51 released during my absence? | 18:41 |
| * lardman crosses fingers & toes | 18:41 | |
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| Stskeeps | or even heuristics ("this app is rapidly eating your cpu, i'll slow it a bit down") | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: very funny | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't believe in automatic actions when it comes to power management, though) | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: most of the heuristics should be more like | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | as in, transparent ones | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | "did you know that this app was eating your cpu?" if no, did you want us to try penalizing it? | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | again, automatic is the wrong answer | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if the user wants to use the browser to do video conferencing, or audio streaming or to hear new mail indications | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | "do you want to zap the developer" | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't automatically drop those | 18:43 |
| lardman | you could tell the user which app it is though | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: that's what i'm proposing | 18:43 |
| lardman | or have we already done that bit? | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser could probably help by offering a list of plugins and locations and when they were opened/closed | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | that way if the user checks their battery and sees "wow, it's low, what happened" | 18:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | the meter could say "well, you had 11 flash apps on ovi.com [your start page] open" | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i just spent half a year regarding that topic, but dealing with power saving and positioning | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally the user could eventually tell the meter to tell the browser "ok, i don't want ovi.com using flash anymore" | 18:44 |
| lardman | that would be good, but we should go up another level and list processes which were open and for how long, cpu load, etc | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: sure | 18:45 |
| lardman | but that should be something someone switches on rather than runs all the time | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but really, the place for this isn't breaking the browser | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it's enhancing the battery meter | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | have it be the user who chooses if they care | 18:45 |
| lcuk | thats reasonable, but there is a breakpoint where the logging and monitoring becomes enough of an issue to cause its own battery problems? | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | then empower them | 18:45 |
| lardman | yeah, or I think a general logging app (which can also tell you why desktop apps didn't start, look at dmesg output, etc.) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: sampling will be just as fine too | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | like once in a while | 18:46 |
| lardman | lcuk: you specifically enable logging when you know there's an issue | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it should be possible to tune this so that it works | 18:46 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed - its like the liqbase log - it knows every action taken and screen displayed (within the session) | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and again, you're starting from state: user *is* concerned about battery and is *asking* *WHY* | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the user is therefore willing to pay a bit for that info | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | this tool should be as mandatory as a crash reporter :P | 18:47 |
| lardman | yeah, where's X-Fade, I'm still interested in doing that crash reporting tool | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: right | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but again, it'll be much better if you guys implement it | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | you can get it ready sooner | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sure i can get eero and others to help | 18:48 |
| pupnik | mm | 18:48 |
| pupnik | amazing price on that q5/q7 | 18:48 |
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| lardman | needs to hook into the launcher though, do we have the source for that as will be? | 18:48 |
| lardman | pupnik: yeah, Q7 doesn't seem to be available yet though, GBAX didn't know when they'd be offering it anyway | 18:48 |
| lcuk | lardman, can monitor process startup properly at lower level i believe | 18:49 |
| * lcuk has always wanted something like sysinternals regmon/filemon type things but never found anything as simple of useful | 18:49 | |
| lardman | lcuk: kernel hooks are not what I really envisage, the launcher would be cleaner | 18:50 |
| pupnik | maybe i can sell q7's to dentists | 18:50 |
| pupnik | http://ns25042.ovh.net:8010 Zen FM - great lofi/groove/chillout set | 18:50 |
| * pupnik is impressed | 18:50 | |
| * lardman has no speakers at work :( | 18:50 | |
| lcuk | but what about when a launched application calls other processes | 18:50 |
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| lardman | the original app should report the error really | 18:51 |
| lcuk | the original app died cos there was a bug | 18:51 |
| lcuk | etc | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | bbl dinner | 18:51 |
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| * lcuk goes finishing up for the day, bbl | 18:53 | |
| * lardman too | 18:53 | |
| lardman | bbiab at home | 18:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yeah, windows really does have better tools :) | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so what are oyu guys doing w/ crash reporting? | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | certainly if browser-daemon crashes, you want browser-ui to do the reporting | 18:54 |
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| GAN800 | Can somebody poke jolouis about uploading his USB ethernet stuff to Extras? | 18:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | or if mail-dameon crashes, you want mail-ui to do the reporting | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, liqbase classic has had pretty much every crashable in its capabilities squashed, and if something crops up there is a full complete session log written | 18:57 |
| lcuk | the session log includes pretty much everything required to let me know where and what happened - logging is vital if i am to remotely diagnose and repair a problem | 18:57 |
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| lcuk | usually reproduction of a crashable bug (lets say with book reader) is either directly noticable from the log, or with a copy of the book text attempted reading,, but either way without the log i would be blind | 18:58 |
| * lcuk considers good logging to be another UI :) | 18:59 | |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, the one thing i havent put in is automatic sending of reports and logs, its still down to the user to get it to me :) | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i have to go | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ttyl | 19:06 |
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| Macer | star trek is apretty good movie | 19:07 |
| Macer | good old capt james t kirk all up in the night club getting his pimp on | 19:07 |
| Macer | trying to bang uhura | 19:08 |
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| Bobbe | hey guys, I'm having some trouble having maemo mount my swap partition automatically. Shouldn't it be doing it after I included it in /etc/fstab? | 19:12 |
| penguinbait | I have never been able to get swap to mount out of fstab | 19:13 |
| z4chh | same o_o | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | I always just create a startup script in /etc/rc2.d | 19:13 |
| z4chh | swapon? | 19:13 |
| Bobbe | just put swapon /dev/mmcblk0p4 in the script, or are there other commands? | 19:13 |
| rmt | Hmm.. so, why does /dev/mmcblk0p2 have a different major/minor in initrd than in my root fs? | 19:13 |
| rmt | Using bootmenu | 19:14 |
| penguinbait | command is right, but script needs to be correct init format, | 19:14 |
| Bobbe | anywhere I can get an example? Have no idea how to write said script | 19:14 |
| penguinbait | yes look at some scripts in /etc/rc2.d ;) | 19:15 |
| penguinbait | or do a search on google | 19:15 |
| Bobbe | thx, just a sec | 19:15 |
| Macer | heh | 19:15 |
| Macer | star trek is awesome | 19:16 |
| penguinbait | http://www.linux.com/feature/46892 | 19:16 |
| penguinbait | simple init script | 19:16 |
| pupnik | nice to see penguinbait again | 19:16 |
| pupnik | hope you're doing well | 19:16 |
| Bobbe | oh yeah | 19:16 |
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| penguinbait | you too pupnik ;) | 19:16 |
| Bobbe | penguinbait, just saw this topic on itt like 'what the hell happened to penguinbait' | 19:17 |
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| penguinbait | its been a while, but I am becomming more active again ;) | 19:17 |
| Bobbe | keep going strong man, there's hope ;) | 19:17 |
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| penguinbait | he's gone mad | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | ahhhhhhhhhhhh | 19:17 |
| Macer | hahha! he's banging a green girl! | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | swine flu | 19:17 |
| Bobbe | lmao | 19:18 |
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| lardman | re | 19:19 |
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| Bobbe | this guy in itt suggests putting it in rcS. What is the difference between putting the command in rcS or in rc2.d? | 19:23 |
| lbt | Bobbe: the rc dirs are used to control when things are started up | 19:25 |
| lbt | rc2.d is 'normal multiuser' | 19:26 |
| lbt | rcS is single user | 19:26 |
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| Bobbe | bot both are run at boot time right? | 19:26 |
| lbt | yes | 19:26 |
| lbt | you pass through single user | 19:26 |
| lbt | then multi | 19:27 |
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| lbt | eg if you need a network to be up | 19:27 |
| lbt | you make sure it goes after the network init | 19:27 |
| Bobbe | I see | 19:27 |
| Bobbe | thanks lbt | 19:27 |
| lbt | NP | 19:27 |
| penguinbait | I see no real benefit either way. You really shouldnt be hitting much swap until after runlevel 2 is done | 19:27 |
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| rmt | Ok.. after a few changes to bootmenu.sh, I seem to have a system booting from the mmc card. :) | 19:28 |
| rmt | 420MB free. Woo. :) | 19:28 |
| penguinbait | rmt, what your not booting off tape? | 19:29 |
| rmt | penguinbait, I was until the rabbit ate it. | 19:30 |
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| penguinbait | ahh | 19:30 |
| rmt | But I think this /dev/mmcblk* difference between initrd and the mmc card is a little odd.. | 19:30 |
| rmt | Maybe I should swap them around in initrd.. | 19:31 |
| penguinbait | its normal, messed up but normal | 19:31 |
| penguinbait | and somewhat annoying | 19:31 |
| rmt | Why is it normal? | 19:31 |
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| penguinbait | Fanoush could better explain | 19:31 |
| penguinbait | and I am sure he has if you go searching | 19:31 |
| rmt | udev does the assignment in the OS, maybe.. | 19:34 |
| penguinbait | check out | 19:34 |
| penguinbait | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=238942&highlight=mmcblk0+mmcblk1#post238942 | 19:34 |
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| penguinbait | sounds like he fixed it, but it has not been incorporated into development | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: grab a mer kernel and it's fixed | 19:36 |
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| penguinbait | thanks | 19:37 |
| rmt | Stskeeps, bootmenu with mer kernel? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: yeah - mer kernel is just a maemo kernel with some goodie pathces | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | but in bootmenu, you should use ${INT_CARDDÂ} and ${EXT_CARD} not mmcblk* | 19:40 |
| Macer | well.. you can't go wrong with red matter | 19:40 |
| Macer | haha | 19:40 |
| rmt | bootmenu does do that .. I just had to patch it to load ext3 | 19:40 |
| rmt | Once done, it worked. | 19:41 |
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| ShadowJK | On desktop I use nspluginproxy which runs flash in a separate process. Doesn't take the browser with it when flash crashes, and I can kill the process when I get fed up with flash eating a whole core :) | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | locusts | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | sharks with laser beams | 19:59 |
| thopiekar | etrunko: PING | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody clear up whether GSM voice is a hardware or software issue? | 19:59 |
| etrunko | thopiekar: pong | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole seems to think it's a software issue, but I don't really buy that. | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with cellular hardware to know for sure either way. | 20:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I suspect there would be rather major issues if a device that wasn't certified for cellular voice began being used for it. | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 20:02 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong. | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: honestly? both | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, whiteboard tags? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: AT commands etc (sw) and voice lines in the hardware to relay sound | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | (hw) | 20:03 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but verb and object also welcome ;-) | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, his assertion seems to be that combining the Maemo 5 device with oFono would result in the possibility of a software implementation of GSM voice. | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, how does GNOME do it? | 20:04 |
| andre__ | with regard to what? | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | whiteboards | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i don't recall the exact specs but honestly, if the gsm modem provides voice in/out and the kernel can access it, then yes | 20:04 |
| andre__ | for? | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do they use the field for and how is it used. | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | "if it's wired up" | 20:05 |
| andre__ | ah. gnome uses the status whiteboard to add non-global keywords | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, would a data modem necessarily provide that? | 20:05 |
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| andre__ | like "aklapper[30]" or "evolution[vfolders]" | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | evening jeremiah | 20:05 |
| lbt | fiferboy: hi | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, so it sounds effectively like what I'm proposing. | 20:06 |
| andre__ | it's not used for adding "remov" when the bug summary says "delet", if that's your underlying question :) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a specific format, though? | 20:06 |
| andre__ | not really. just a namespace convention that must people probably don't know of :) | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i kinda suspect nokia's going to surprise us, as it seems kinda half-assed not to use the inheritent properties of a hsdpa module | 20:06 |
| andre__ | wouldn't call it specific. we decided that probably 5 years back | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Hi Stskeeps! | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I don't think it's going to be ready in the Fremantle timeframe, personally. | 20:07 |
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| jeremiah | I cant seem to find the docs describing editing web pages in the git SCM on garage | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sure, but maybe fremantle point 1 :) | 20:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm almost certain we'll see it with Harmattan | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really doubtful about anything before then. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | was "Diablo" on the schedule ever btw? | 20:08 |
| pupnik | hah hah ... the pain .. .i can hardly read the text :) lol | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering :P | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how do you mean? | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, put the pages in the www folder. | 20:09 |
| * andre__ trying to drag GeneralAntilles into a third conversation at the same time: | 20:10 | |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, so what are you effectively proposing for the status whiteboard? | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: nm :P | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I can multitask. :P | 20:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I don't know, really. Mostly I'm just wondering if there's a good way we can start using it in maemo.org's bugzilla. | 20:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't really have any strong opinions about what that might be, and am mostly looking for useful conventions we might be able to borrow from other bugzillas. | 20:11 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but what's the good usecase? it's a whiteboard, so you can use it for anything. but just using it for the sake of using it doesn't make sense :-D | 20:11 |
| andre__ | ah, i see. well, compared to gnome bugzilla maemo.org bugzilla is too small that i see a real usecase currently | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I WAS thinking that it might be a good place to spam search improving tags. | 20:12 |
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| andre__ | anybody can use it for his own tagging of course... but so far i didn't use it myself, because <5000 bugs is quite maintainable | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, for people like you who are experienced with managing bugzillas. :P | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not everybody is quite as badass as yourself. :D | 20:13 |
| andre__ | ehehe | 20:13 |
| * andre__ wonders if whiteboard entries are covered by normal queries at all | 20:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, it'd be good to have some inertia behind something for when we do get to that point. | 20:13 |
| lardman | ~curse ARM asm | 20:13 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ARM asm ! | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla could use a slightly more user-friendly quick search. | 20:14 |
| andre__ | i think that namespaces can be very useful if it gets more complicated later on. however, something like "query[delet] query[remov]" looks a bit weird maybe | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fuzzier and more intelligent. | 20:14 |
| andre__ | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi?format=short :-P | 20:14 |
| andre__ | oh yeah, i agree. | 20:15 |
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| andre__ | but that would require word lists and mappings i guess | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only OPEN bugs by default, though, right? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Surely there must be somewhere those things can be borrowed from. | 20:15 |
| andre__ | whoops. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi?format=short is a downstream thingy and gnome-specific. sorry | 20:15 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi?format=specific was what i wanted to paste of course | 20:16 |
| andre__ | there you can also choose the status of the bugs | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should be ALL by default. | 20:16 |
| thopiekar_tablet | etrunko: how is the status of the ubuntu repo for e17 | 20:17 |
| thopiekar_tablet | ? | 20:17 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, that should be easy to patch | 20:17 |
| andre__ | please file a ticket so i don't forget :) | 20:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hope the Apple Store decides to call today. | 20:18 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: what about the description of the repo? | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, that, I do not know. | 20:18 |
| jeremiah | Its driving me crazy to see: Unnamed repository; edit this file to name it for gitweb. | 20:19 |
| jeremiah | RSS | 20:19 |
| jeremiah | whoops | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, done, 4536 | 20:21 |
| andre__ | cool, thanks! | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We're gonna need to figure out something to make the individual bug listing fit in 800px. | 20:23 |
| RST38h | why? | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | timeless: you should've gotten some kind of email by now :) | 20:24 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, 800px? who wants that? :-) | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, those crazy bastards who triage in MIcroB. ;) | 20:25 |
| RST38h | umgh... | 20:26 |
| andre__ | they really exist? i tried that a few times but gave up... takes too much time... | 20:26 |
| * RST38h thinks it's kinda too late to care about that | 20:26 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, sure, me. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, tablets are a use-case all of maemo.org needs to target. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | 800px or the sidebar included? ;p | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is the one application that noticeably violated that on a frequent basis. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no sidebar. | 20:28 |
| andre__ | uhm. triaging bugs on an N8x0 is masochistic IMO | 20:28 |
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| andre__ | even *if* bugzilla would fit in 800px | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: tablet usage is all about masochism once in a while ;) | 20:29 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Have you taken a look into hildon-pannable-area at all? | 20:29 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, doubletrue ;-) | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | General: Perfect. Let us remove that damn sidebar RIGHT NOW | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no. | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | Reading slashdot comments on the tablet is the crown-jewel of masochism | 20:30 |
| RST38h | then no 800px | 20:30 |
| RST38h | slashdot does not work well on microb | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, whether or not that's a fact is immaterial. | 20:30 |
| RST38h | too much js | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: my point exactly ;) | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, devices are only going to get faster. | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Triaging aside, simply viewing bugs is less than optimal. | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: tell that to the eee guys | 20:31 |
| RST38h | General: the whole maemo.org site is less than optimal on the tablet | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, we get it, you hate the sidebar. | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Complaint noted. | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: there's another thing | 20:31 |
| RST38h | General: that too, but the more material point is that there is no way you can have sidebar AND 800px | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, really, the better question is: if it can be done without too much effort and without breaking things, why not? | 20:32 |
| lbt | fiferboy: I have now... I'm in the middle of qabstractscrollarea and friends at the moment | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, bugzilla doesn't have a sidebar and it doesn't fit in 800px. | 20:32 |
| lbt | great idea BTW :) | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so your point is rather irrelevant to this discussion. | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Besides, the vast majority of maemo.org works just fine at 800px with a sidebar. | 20:33 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, as long as I get enough text of the summary, I'm fine :) | 20:33 |
| andre__ | but this sounds like stuff that should go upstream | 20:33 |
| fiferboy | Thanks. I think I was just going to see what Maximum scroll they used, then it hit me that there is probably a lot more useful stuff in there | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | General: yes, you can make it so that a page does not fit 800px WITHOUT sidebar | 20:33 |
| RST38h | So what? :) | 20:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs | 20:33 | |
| crashanddie | RST38h: tu pousses le bouchon un peu trop loin Maurice | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm going to go over here and attempt to be productive, OK? | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | General: mmm...ok, try | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, it's the Reporter and CC fields that are ruining it. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, and, actually the GNOME layout fits just fine in 800px | 20:36 |
| andre__ | shouldn't that be very easy to solve with a greaseomnkey script? | 20:36 |
| andre__ | oh. okay | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except for the front page which seems to have 1024px set for nodamnreason. | 20:36 |
| andre__ | we must get rid of bug reporters!!! | 20:36 |
| RST38h | andre: just export all bug data through SOAP and let every bug reporter write his own script to access and present it | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | s/let/make/ | 20:37 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: andre: just export all bug data through SOAP and make every bug reporter write his own script to access and present it | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, that's another issue entirely. | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, why the hell is Mozilla's bugzilla so broken about line wrapping? | 20:38 |
| andre__ | wasn't me | 20:38 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: it's not a bug, it's a feature | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Double the wrapping, double the fun? | 20:39 |
| crashanddie | Nope, paragraphing the lot | 20:39 |
| lcuk | hahahaha GeneralAntilles if you were pissed at my photoshop skills, you are gonna be mega pissed at penguinbait | 20:39 |
| crashanddie | each sentence: one paragraph | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, is the bug layout chaning in 3.4? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, hats off sir :D | 20:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: ? | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=286846&postcount=56 | 20:40 |
| crashanddie | fuck me, I'm happy I never posted my picture on there | 20:40 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=286257&postcount=29 | 20:40 |
| lcuk | vs | 20:40 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, don't know exactly i must admit | 20:40 |
| lcuk | im sure we could find pictures of you somewhere lol | 20:41 |
| * andre__ working too much with 2.x systems or otherwise highly customized 3.x systems :-/ | 20:41 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk: think again ;) | 20:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: and you are not allowed to publish pictures I sent to you only | 20:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Aw, bitch, Ringo? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | you didnt, they are on youtube lol | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the star trek fleet one is kinda cool :> | 20:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, fuck penguinbait. | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: there's no picture of me on youtube! | 20:42 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps he actually looks at home there | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: there's some page to vulcanize people.. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better be careful or I might get disgruntled and shoot up the place. ;) | 20:43 |
| andre__ | hell. today i learned another reason to always use an avatar out there and not a real pic :-P | 20:43 |
| RST38h | have you got a phaser, General? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's fantastic the mer logo gets cropped to "me" on iTT. | 20:44 |
| crashanddie | andre__: just don't bother uploading anything, so much easier :) | 20:44 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: "I got ME on my n810" | 20:44 |
| lcuk | lol RST38h | 20:45 |
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| debernardis_ | hello | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, do you have a preference about the bug layout? | 20:46 |
| jeremiah | Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club band, we hope you will enjoy the show. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The GNOME one seems nice and clean. Perhaps worth porting at some point? | 20:47 |
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| penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/thegang.jpg | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, about the cool nick. Didn't freejazz think up an exciting name for you? ;) | 20:50 |
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| lbt | hello debernardis_ | 20:51 |
| debernardis_ | hello lbt :) | 20:51 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | is it my imagination, or does using the N810 as an mp3 player kill the battery rather fast | 20:52 |
| lbt | CutMeOwnThroat: turn the volume down | 20:53 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, oh yeah. darn, what was it? | 20:53 |
| * andre__ diving into his hatemail | 20:53 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, headphones should use less than the speakers though (which was what I used)? | 20:53 |
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| debernardis_ | cutmeownthroat: not in my experience - can listen music for hours. Rogue processes instead kill it fast | 20:54 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, "klaptrap"? or which one? i can't read all that mail now, i have to work ;-)) | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | klaptrap is kinda neat :> | 20:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | debernardis_, define "rogue" | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | flash | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, klaptrap is good. | 20:55 |
| debernardis_ | cutmeounthroat: something left by a closed app - eating up your cpu cycles! | 20:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ok... you mean rogue == trying to use 100% CPU | 20:56 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, now are there any sexual, racist, facist, non-pc, whatever meanings in US slang that i'm not aware of, you powerful man with a mothertongue? ;-) | 20:57 |
| andre__ | (happened way too often when talking to a female friend in english that i was asked "you know the meaning of what you just said?") | 20:57 |
| debernardis_ | yes - something that eats up your cpu and battery while your tablet is in your pocket (and btw makes it real hot) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | should an <li> tag have a closing branch? | 20:58 |
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| debernardis_ | lcuk: http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_li.asp | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | debernardis_, :D thanks | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, http://www.answers.com/topic/claptrap | 20:59 |
| lcuk | now i know how to check other things | 20:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, there's also "the clap" but that's a c. | 20:59 |
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| debernardis_ | lcuk %^) | 20:59 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but there's a second definition at urbandictionary that i definitely dislike :) | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | with a c. :P | 21:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, maemo as a whole is non-free... I should't have been surprised | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, that makes it exciting. :D | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: 80-20% :P | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:02 |
| pupnik | http://rapidshare.com/files/232189109/Unknown2.mp3.html listen to this track - ripped form zenfm - please help identify | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | andre__: did you just say you didn't have a mothertongue? | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | andre__: you weren't taught an initial language? | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | Cold man. | 21:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, I was wondering if I could put it in an qemu image and then (I think there's a build environment) use that to compile debian packages, so I don't have to have a full debian chroot around... now I wonder if I'm even allowed to do that :) | 21:04 |
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| debernardis_ | pupnik: Evolution - Water | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, well, that's the problem of mer.. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | er. maemo. | 21:04 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:04 |
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| pupnik | debernardis_: that is the song track!?!? | 21:05 |
| torkiano | hello, I have problems with my autotools configuration in maemo: I get this error: | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | CutMeOwnThroat: http://nchipin.kos.to/mer-qemu-beagle.png :) | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | torkiano: amazing error | 21:05 |
| torkiano | cp: cannot stat `INSTALL': No such file or directory | 21:05 |
| torkiano | automake-1.9: cannot open < gnome-doc-utils.make: No such file or directory | 21:05 |
| debernardis_ | pupnik: identified by Shazam Id (/me has never listened that before) | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | torkiano: make sure you uncompressed everything | 21:05 |
| pupnik | amazing! thanks! thanks! thanks! | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | torkiano: and make sure you're in the right directory | 21:06 |
| debernardis_ | pupnik :-) | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, there's some web app out there that'll do that for you. | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, slashdot doesn't work well w/ n81 8gb either | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (nokia "open browser") | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: did you get the email? | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | /. is AJAX hell | 21:07 |
| pupnik | i am so happy thanks | 21:07 |
| fiferboy | lbt: If I have a combobox with enough items to need a scroolbar, neither finger scrolling or the scrollbar works | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, google IEatBrainz | 21:07 |
| pupnik | ? ok | 21:08 |
| debernardis_ | general: thanks | 21:08 |
| pupnik | trying to find the cd | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | that song sounds like shit | 21:08 |
| pupnik | "evolution - water" is a terrible song title for google | 21:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, guess I'd get rid of it for that... but I think it'll take ages to get all hardware to work including the powersaving stuff | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: which email? | 21:08 |
| pupnik | :( | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: the one from Stephane A? | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i'm trying to go back in scrollback and read your comments about bugzilla, but my irc client isn't cooperating | 21:08 |
| debernardis_ | pupnik: evolution is the title - water is the author | 21:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i don't think so | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | looking | 21:08 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, yes | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but i was staring at in:span instead of in:inbox | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | :o | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I want the bug layout to fit 800px so it doesn't scroll on the tablets. | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, also: find a way to use Status whiteboard usefully. | 21:09 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, i just stated that GA has one. it does not imply that i don't have one ;-) | 21:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Stskeeps, I wouldn't mind that it's non-free if I could do all the things that I could do with it if it's free.... hehe... but I guess if I could it wouldn't be non-free :-P | 21:09 |
| torkiano | crashanddie, my application compiles without problems in Ubuntu and I porting it to maemo | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: ok, thanks for poking me, i'll reply now, it sounds doable | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | andre__: actually, it does ;) | 21:10 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I had someone poking me asking if you were getting cold feet, lol | 21:10 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, your logic is borken ;-) | 21:10 |
| crashanddie | andre__: as is your spellchecker | 21:10 |
| andre__ | nottattall! | 21:11 |
| pupnik | found it http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Chillout-Session-Summer-Collection-2004/release/475334 | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, no, really, he's right' :P | 21:11 |
| pupnik | huge props to debernardis_ | 21:11 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: he implied that you were a powerful man because you had a mothertongue | 21:11 |
| andre__ | +1 | 21:11 |
| crashanddie | "please enlighten me with your knowledge, oh powerful man with a mothertongue" | 21:12 |
| crashanddie | (slightly rephrased) | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, clearly I am a powerful man, although having a mothertongue is the least of my many wonderful attributes. :P | 21:12 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: talk to the clit | 21:12 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes gmail a few times in order to reply to make crashanddie happy | 21:12 | |
| crashanddie | :D | 21:12 |
| andre__ | ...and a funny one with lots of nice words. e.g. i never know how to translate "drive-by-shooting" to another language ;-)) | 21:12 |
| thux | is it known who was lead designer or something in charge of maemo? who decide tablets software, who made maemo? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | thux: it was forged in the fires of valhalla | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | thux, Ari Jaaksi | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:13 |
| RST38h | General: Sure about it? | 21:13 |
| thux | thanks | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, he's VP of Maemo SW | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | There aint really anybody else that fits that bill closely enough. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | What about guys who designed the original 77x0 software? | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hildon != Maemo | 21:14 |
| thux | i thought it was possible kate but good that wasn't | 21:14 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: ok, replied. thanks for poking | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | thux: some say he appears on high-value stamps in finland. Some say he naturally faces the magnetic north. Some say for some reason he's allergic to French people (sorry dneary) | 21:15 |
| pupnik | 75 fucking euros for the cd on amazon.de debernardis_ http://www.amazon.de/Chillout-Session-Summer-2004-Various/dp/B0000DJEQ3/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1242152116&sr=8-3 | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | thux: as far as we understand, hardware choices are beyond the control of anyone who is remotely visible from Maemo Software | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and in fact, most of us working in Maemo Software don't have any access or ability to remotely influence anything hardware related (unfortunately) | 21:16 |
| lcuk | :O :O >>> Ferrari have confirmed their intention to pull out of Formula One from next season as the battle over the FIA's proposed new rules escalates. << :O :O | 21:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Formula 1 is such a joke these days | 21:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I say they should remove most of the rules. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Each car should cost at least 500 million dollars. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | i like the boost button they added (H) ive had one for ages on playstation, happy to see them finally catching up with reality | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: probably after a bunch of fistfights between ui designers and hw engineers :P | 21:17 |
| timeless_mbp | wrt software, Ari is the public face who i suppose runs the group, but software decisions are of course proposed by people under him | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | some of those people are theoretically visible | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | however it seems that there's a new group doing a lot of the proposals | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. the guy talking to me now in this UI Brief | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | The Next Generation? | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd never encountered him before | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | they sadly have no public presence | 21:18 |
| debernardis_ | pupnik you're kidding :-) | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but in 5 years, we can try to give you a face so you can flame them | 21:19 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, is there a price limit on formula 1 cars? :) | 21:19 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, that would actually be pretty cool | 21:19 |
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| debernardis_ | pupnik it's on the soulseek network - just search with nicotine plus! | 21:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, "build whatever you want as long as it costs less than 5 mil" | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be much more creative. | 21:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, "building costs for the car may not exceed $100000" | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much R&D money factors into that cost would be important, though. | 21:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that would be excluded | 21:20 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | impossible to factor in | 21:21 |
| toggles_w | anyone know how to get maemo-pan working on the n810?? | 21:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | still, would be fun - perhaps make that $30000 or so | 21:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm probably stating the obvious here guys, but you do realise you don't get a budget before you have a project, right? | 21:21 |
| thux | GeneralAntilles: what is good race serie then, indy nascar? | 21:21 |
| * timeless_mbp crucifies the current presenter (Again) | 21:21 | |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: pm | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, too many people without public faces is a rather obnoxious problem with Maemo. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | thux, I love A/LMS | 21:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WRC is consistently pretty good. | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: heh, and on the contrary, i'm deadly afraid noone will take me seriously after meeting me irl ;) | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The GT3 and Touring Car series are also bundles of fun | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just don't wear those slotted glasses of yours. :P | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: it's a problem for us too! | 21:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm really bored with doing everything through Quim. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, Quim's a great guy and all but playing telephone back and forth wears thin rather quickly. | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, we have daniel too nowadays | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | we should use him more i guess? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we only use Quim because he's the only person answering the goddamn questions. . . . | 21:25 |
| RST38h | There is also another guy in Maemo forums | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Peter? | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Daniel's welcome to step in, but I doubt he's established enough there to feel comfortable running interference. | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Quim's boss, he's a bit high up to be getting down and dirty in Bugzilla. | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | there's also a peter | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but none of them are really bugzilla people | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | getting engineers into bugzilla is a challenge | 21:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | but given that *i* an *engineer* here don't have visibility to some parts of the UI team | 21:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i couldn't even find the right person to invite in some cases | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank god for people like Eero and timeless. ;) | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | note that you stilly have roope | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | who is still involved in ui | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | there's also at times one or two people from mail | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and i think one or two people from chat/rtcom | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Modest screencast is really rockin'. If everything else turns out in that slickness ballpark I think Fremantle is going to be pretty good. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's also a bunch of contractors in here | 21:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's also someone from GnuPNP or whatever which is basically multimedia | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and people from Bluetooth | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | modest screencast? | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ICD people pop in | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | we're not quite as bad as it seems | 21:29 |
| penguinbait | OCD people | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but indeed the UI team hides too much | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patrik, etc. | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, he's like me | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: link to screencast? | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Yerga stuck it on YouTube. | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | he yells at people internally | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hang on | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | except, he doesn't get in trouble for doing it, and gets better results | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ars linked it from their beta SDK article, too. | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, may have something to do with that (what's the bug number?) bug. :D | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-D-J0Y7ufM | 21:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, 2383: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 | 21:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/83/68 | 21:32 |
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| VDVsx_ | GeneralAntilles, the modest l&F is already available in last SDK updates, everything is more shiny now :P | 21:34 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: oh my | 21:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ooh, that's fixed? | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, it doesn't get mentioned enough, but please do mention how much the community (particularly the council if anybody cares ;)) appreciates the public participation. :) | 21:35 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: um | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/profile/list?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_account_list_page=1 | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless timeless - Nokia 930 | 21:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | the - is still there | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | am i waiting for an upgrade? | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, not at this point | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free to REOPEN | 21:36 |
| timeless_mbp | reopen or new bug? | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, up to you, I guess. | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | does anyone know it was "fixed"? | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may have changed again with the Newstyle profile update | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall, honestly. | 21:38 |
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| debernardis_ | bye | 21:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: Bug 4537 has been added to the database | 21:41 |
| * Stskeeps sits down and begins the boring task of making cph meeting presentation. | 21:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hi, my name is Carsten, and this is Mer" | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | <hacking> | 21:42 |
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| penguinbait | Hi Carsten! | 21:48 |
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| penguinbait | My names penguinbait and I'm and alcoholic | 21:49 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, is it? I thought Ryan | 21:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm quoting Stskeeps making his Mer presentation. | 22:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right | 22:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't aware HE had nearly the same name | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | As? | 22:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | me | 22:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or I | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm a c | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there's a guy here that has the nick karsten | 22:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | now that's irritating | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | guenther is Karsten. | 22:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Got a lot of you bastards, I guess. | 22:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I always thought it was a rare name | 22:06 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes crashanddie_ | 22:07 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | when I went to school, there were up to 3 Daniels in my class | 22:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | (which I guess is handy for a teacher) | 22:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | CutMeOwnThroat: i had that problem in elementary school :) | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and of course, the collision resolution sucks | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Daniel => Danny => Dan | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | on average each person responds to all 3 | 22:08 |
| VDVsx | CutMeOwnThroat, my high school class had 7 Ana's :P | 22:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hehe | 22:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | timeless_mbp, type of thing is language dependent, though | 22:09 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | VDVsx, ANA, PAY ATTENTION! | 22:14 |
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| VDVsx | CutMeOwnThroat,lol, the teachers had to use always two names when they needed to claim the attention of one of the seven Ana's :) | 22:17 |
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| VDVsx | lucly two of them have the same second name, very funny :) | 22:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, we had a lot of Ryans in my friend group in school so we went with Ryansub0, Ryansub1, etc. ;) | 22:28 |
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| penguinbait | peace and penguins | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | hi VDVsx \o | 22:47 |
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| VDVsx | hello lcuk | 22:48 |
| lcuk | are you doin much with bluemaemo at the moment or is it in hibernation | 22:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did we ever get freakin' HID? | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, im asking because ive got an n800 here that would be really good to use with my n810 :) | 22:52 |
| lcuk | (that is if BM is available for os2007 | 22:53 |
| lcuk | its lying almost unused at the moment | 22:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ? | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, install a real OS on it. | 22:53 |
| lcuk | long story short: wont flash | 22:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: why is your n800 using os2007? >_> | 22:53 |
| rm_you | oh. | 22:53 |
| rm_you | lcuk: fix it | 22:53 |
| rm_you | >_> | 22:53 |
| lcuk | long story short (1): the brains in the chan tried and nothing we could do could do it | 22:53 |
| rm_you | fail | 22:54 |
| lcuk | hiya rm :) | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | srsly | 22:54 |
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| rm_you | sup :) | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | yeah, hi, rm_you. | 22:54 |
| lcuk | im smiling :) | 22:54 |
| rm_you | lcuk: can you plug it in to a linux device? :P | 22:54 |
| lcuk | rm_you, x41 runs ubuntu | 22:54 |
| rm_you | lcuk: and give me a shell account with root access and your IP? :P | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, flash the kernel and initfs from fiasco-flasher and boot Mer? | 22:54 |
| lcuk | sure :) | 22:54 |
| rm_you | lcuk: :P | 22:55 |
| rm_you | i forget, you going to denmark? | 22:55 |
| * rm_you checks the site | 22:55 | |
| lcuk | rm_you, i checked everything on the usb and nothing shows at flash time, it just sits there with the damned spanner | 22:55 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:55 |
| rm_you | cool. | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, try a different cable? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | but then in the desktop it shows on the usb | 22:55 |
| lcuk | same cable | 22:55 |
| rm_you | lcuk: let me at it | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, flash from Linux. | 22:55 |
| lcuk | ok ill bring it | 22:56 |
| rm_you | yes | 22:56 |
| lcuk | :) thanks | 22:56 |
| rm_you | just let me at it NOW in linux :P | 22:56 |
| rm_you | i don't need to be there | 22:56 |
| lcuk | no | 22:56 |
| rm_you | that's what ssh is for :P | 22:56 |
| lcuk | lol i was joking | 22:56 |
| rm_you | piff | 22:56 |
| rm_you | i wasn't :P | 22:56 |
| rm_you | still aren't :P | 22:56 |
| * lcuk slaps u with a very shaky binary playtest | 22:56 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I will hack a bit on BM in the weekend, port it to fremantle/mer probably, now I have to work in my thesis :( | 22:57 |
| lcuk | dont worry VDVsx | 22:57 |
| rm_you | well it is about time for me to fixxify my server anyway | 22:57 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, but what you specifically want/need ? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | nothing specific | 22:57 |
| lcuk | just poking you cos i know some people wanted additional stuff | 22:58 |
| rm_you | hrm i was gonna do a backup of the important stuff on my root drive, but... well, as i just recovered from a HD crash and had to image the dying drive to my raid... i guess i have a full backup :P | 22:58 |
| rm_you | so... time to reinstall :P | 22:58 |
| lcuk | /tmp is limited to a tiny amount isnt it | 22:58 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, tell them to submit features requests :P | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i saw GeneralAntilles submit one to you a minute ago :P | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and you dont wanna piss him off, not with his star trek/beatles fetishes going on, he will come at you with a yellow submarine and attack with photon torpedoes | 23:00 |
| locutus | fap | 23:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, proton torpedoes. | 23:05 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, what is your problem with HID ? | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, did we get HID or is it still serial-only? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you did not flunk star fleet, those proton things were a long time ago and very far away. | 23:07 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, bluemaemo always used HID protocol, dunno want you mean about serial | 23:07 |
| lcuk | nowadays you use photons | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I recall something about it not being compatible with OS X because of serial or somesuch. | 23:07 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, it only work for some MAC OS users, I don't have a mac to test, apple likes to do some changes to standard protocols :) (and also I can miss something in my specification) | 23:11 |
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| VDVsx | Mac instructions here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=253682&postcount=196 | 23:13 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, you probably can use BM in os2007, since canola is there, all the UI deps should be satisfied, dunno which bluez version os2007 have | 23:16 |
| lcuk | cool, next time i drag it out ill have a look and let you know | 23:16 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, thanks :) | 23:19 |
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| VDVsx | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ <------ anyone can confirm a bug in the comments layout ? | 23:27 |
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| keesj | VDVsx: what kind of bug , looks kinda good to me | 23:55 |
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