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| Macer | awesome | 00:58 |
| lcuk | what is | 00:58 |
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| Macer | got my su8w to work with my g1 :) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | nice | 00:59 |
| Macer | yah | 00:59 |
| Macer | a2dp works on it now too | 00:59 |
| Macer | android seems to be really shaping up | 00:59 |
| lcuk | what new things are available for it? | 01:00 |
| lcuk | i havent heard of any specific apps | 01:00 |
| Macer | there are a ton of apps for it | 01:01 |
| Macer | especially since people can charge for apps nowadays | 01:01 |
| lcuk | what stands out tho - shining beacons that make you want to get it | 01:01 |
| Macer | most of the stock stuff is nice | 01:01 |
| Macer | they have documents to go which is an office suite | 01:01 |
| Macer | the browser has gotten nicer. and it has a soft keyboard for the G1 now :) | 01:01 |
| Macer | so you don't have to keep flipping it open to type small things | 01:02 |
| lcuk | can i get DMA screen access? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | or on the metal | 01:02 |
| Macer | DMA screen access? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | or is it just java sdk or non visual libraries | 01:02 |
| lcuk | i can open a raw bitmap here | 01:02 |
| lcuk | and draw directly on it | 01:02 |
| Macer | heh.. couldn't tell you.. i'm not a dev | 01:03 |
| Macer | i was happy just because i was able to build hidd for it to use my bt keyboard | 01:03 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:03 |
| lcuk | that lots pretty much built into maemo by default aint it | 01:03 |
| Macer | hopefully it will have a menu option for the hid | 01:03 |
| Macer | sure is ;) | 01:04 |
| * lcuk hasnt used bt kb for ages | 01:04 | |
| Macer | i used it with the n800 i gave to Stskeeps | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | cool | 01:04 |
| Macer | but after i got my G1 i stopped using the n800 for the most part but kept the keyboard in case the g1 would support it | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | will you be able to install mer on it eventually? | 01:04 |
| Macer | on my G1? :) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yeah reasonable consideration | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:05 |
| Macer | no way... i'd rather use android | 01:05 |
| Macer | heh | 01:05 |
| Macer | i like the android interface more | 01:05 |
| lcuk | i wasnt asking for you | 01:05 |
| Macer | although mer was starting to look nice | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yeah people get into things that work for them, im still an xp user | 01:05 |
| Macer | android was premature in its release | 01:06 |
| lcuk | everything is premature | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | nowadays its now now now | 01:06 |
| Macer | but it is doing a lot better after the cupcake release | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, tell that to torvalds | 01:06 |
| Macer | some of the little things they added to it really touched it up | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | he's the one fueling the whole "release early, release often" moto | 01:07 |
| lcuk | outside of that | 01:07 |
| Macer | haha | 01:07 |
| lcuk | outside computers | 01:07 |
| Macer | release early release often :) | 01:07 |
| Macer | linux creed? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | customers dont understand tho | 01:07 |
| Macer | yeah.. most customers don't... ther's probably a small percentage of G1 useres who have rooted their phones | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | they shouldn't have to | 01:08 |
| Macer | the rest just wait for ota updates | 01:08 |
| lcuk | sorry maam, this car is a pre-release, you still have to climb out of the windows to exit and if you go over 40mph, make sure you hold onto the sunroof | 01:08 |
| Macer | haha | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | true | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | the problem comes when you have an easy distribution method, and post-promised earnings | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | if it's software, it doesn't cost you anything to release the beta version, as long as the full version will be worth the full amount of money | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | you get user feedback which can be very important | 01:10 |
| lcuk | vital! | 01:10 |
| Macer | well.. i couldn't install win7 | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | on the other hand, you can't release a pre-prod car to a massive customer base for free, and just update it to the latest version as soon as it's available for purchase | 01:10 |
| Macer | don't know why but it was asking for a driver disc | 01:10 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 01:10 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt install it on your computer either | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | Macer, windows 7 works beautifully under VMWare | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | well | 01:11 |
| lcuk | thats an important distinction crashanddie :) | 01:11 |
| Macer | heh | 01:11 |
| Macer | i wanted to try it on a toshiba laptop i have | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | I think that some PMs have come imbued with the success of certain software projects, and are hoping to apply the same rules to mass-consumer markets | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | and that's just something that's not going to fly in the long run | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | the zune being one of those examples | 01:13 |
| Macer | i had a zune | 01:13 |
| Macer | it wasn't bad | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | oh, and btw, I've officially seen every single stargate episode and film | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie | I want to see a platform that basically has 10 SD slots | 01:14 |
| luke-jr | … they'd HAVE to eb MicroSD | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | each slot can be used to plug in self-contained device, be it extension of RAM, wifi, gps, whatever they can come up with | 01:15 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: I'd rather have legos, so they can be piggybacked XD | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | need more power? snap on a new battery block and remove the old one | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, you would not want micro-sd | 01:16 |
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| crashanddie | or micro-lego for that matter :P | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | or if it's already bulky, pull off the SD card block, add the new battery there, yank the old battery, and replace it with that SD card block ;) | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | remember how with the old laptops you could pull out the CD-drive and plug-in a floppy drive? | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | same principle | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | give people the possibility to make the device they need, instead of locking yourself in a position where you cut off possibilities | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | basically: make a wii | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | the wii is shit easy hardware, but you extend the basic functionality by making it pluggable, and extendible | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | </rant> | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 01:19 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, say I'm right | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to run Maemo in a chroot? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | arghhh, im upto my armpits in coed, gimma a minute | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | !grab lcuk | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | if I bind-mount the dbus run dir, I get osso_initialize failed. | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | damn | 01:20 |
| lcuk | you are right, you have seen every stargate | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i like pluggable | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: w7 is great in vbox too :) | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: btw, are you sure you aren't asking for a ... | 01:22 |
| * timeless_mbp blanks | 01:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | beagleboard? :) | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | beagleboard is shit | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, you could try to find something which was basically a firewire bus :) | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | or at least maemo mapper? | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: so... as a reminder, scratchbox is a chroot | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | as much as I praise the guys for creating a $150 device that runs beautifully | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: no idea what scratchbox is ☺ | 01:23 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders what character set that is | 01:24 | |
| crashanddie | I've always been minutes away from buying a beagleboard that wasn't so limited... | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: half the point of my using Gentoo is so I don't actually *boot* the Maemo stuff that interferes with WiFi monitor mode | 01:24 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Unicode | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | The only way to get networking is through USB or an SDIO port? Excuse me? What is this? The 90s? | 01:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: ok, and what character? because my mac clearly doesn't have it | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it renders it as a hollow square | 01:25 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr, you do realise you could attain the exact same stuff by hacking at the startup scripts rather than basically going the LFS route... | 01:25 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: a simple smiley face, actually chr(1) in the US DOS charset too | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's ok, I don't like Maemo's design in general | 01:25 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if maemo.org left beta | 01:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | hey, is there a bug about the fact that the text for <Cumulus 2.3.0> on maemo.org is truncated? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, you don't like debian/ubuntu more like it, Maemo didn't invent anything on the Linux side of things | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | so this "osso_initialize failed." ? | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: uh, it is nothing like Debian | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, haven't been able to get a hold of a USB smartchip reader | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | timeless, depending on your needs I can ship you a USB smartcard reader though | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | timeless, a lot cheaper and people actually use them | 01:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | as long as it works as a PKCS11 provider thing | 01:28 |
| mikkov_ | timeless_mbp: I don't see anything wrong with cumulus text | 01:28 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, could not find a ticket about maemo.org, please file one. and i can confirm here. | 01:28 |
| andre__ | mikkov_, i can confirm it | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: can you deal w/ the picture for it? | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I know for a fact that none of this "osso_initialize" crap is in Debian ;) | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, read my words | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr, never said it did | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, which OS are we talking about, and what kind of CP are we talking about here? | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I didn't complain about "the Linux side of things" by its literal meaning | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: normally wXP/w7 | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but atm i'm on OSX | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and the client library is NSS | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, and is this research for your work, or yourself? | 01:31 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemoorgtruncation.png | 01:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: yeah, slightly different truncation here, but that'll do | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | can you do the attachment after i file, or should i attach yours? | 01:32 |
| andre__ | i will attach, just file | 01:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | thanks | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: 4522 | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | mother's calling me to dinner... today isn't a day to ignore her... | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | bye :) | 01:36 |
| andre__ | bye | 01:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, SPI. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it was good. | 02:03 |
| lcuk | excellent! | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I wasn't blown away, but it was a lot of fun. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=286257&postcount=29 | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know how 300 loves to whore the slomo? | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Star Trek is that way with lens flares. | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're a fucking creeper. | 02:04 |
| b-man16 | lol | 02:04 |
| crashanddie | samples per inch? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | you are on the enterprise tho! | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, if this turns into some sort of new meme I'm hanging myself on IRC. :P | 02:05 |
| Macer | hm | 02:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, 300 the movie. | 02:05 |
| Macer | i don't think win7 is working on this toshiba laptop | 02:05 |
| Macer | wtf | 02:05 |
| b-man16 | XD | 02:05 |
| Macer | it is asking for drivers for something | 02:05 |
| Macer | which i guess it needs just to install . what kind of crap is that? :) | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, just asking about the SPI shit | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, oh, sorry. | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know all those internal serial, etc. buses that mobile devices use to hook up accessories? All of them are available on the Beagle | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you could just build yourself a little WiFi daughterboard | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sub-optimal, yes, but it is a 3rd option. ;) | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah I know | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | but not what I want | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | have you seen the speed of SPI? | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | and sorry, SPI is supposed to be there for low level debugging, it's like I2C | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their stated goal was to keep it cheap, but when you start adding integrated WiFi/Bluetooth/whatever, you end up with their $1100 dev kit device. ;) | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | not actual communication or device connectivity | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, not necessarily | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, the whatsitsname device, pickit or bigprick, can't remember, they just start out as very simple devices, but you can add shit to the motherboard | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug Labs? | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | hang on, I'm on the wrong wifi networks | 02:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, lcuk, Tim was looking at the t-shirts | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think he's made any progress, though. | 02:10 |
| crashanddie_ | back | 02:10 |
| crashanddie_ | good | 02:10 |
| crashanddie_ | fast interwebs nao :) | 02:10 |
| crashanddie_ | well, to be honest | 02:11 |
| crashanddie_ | I believe BlueTooth should die | 02:11 |
| crashanddie_ | dayum, I was hoping that would've been a bit more of flamebait | 02:12 |
| crashanddie_ | ~ping | 02:13 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:13 |
| crashanddie_ | hello? | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sorry | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we need a short-range wireless standard like that | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a strong opinion abou the candidates for that. | 02:15 |
| crashanddie_ | we have a short range wireless standard, wifi | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Power hungry | 02:15 |
| crashanddie_ | more than wifi + bluetooth? | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | TCP/IP seems a little slow for HID stuff, too. | 02:15 |
| crashanddie_ | you don't want TCP for that | 02:16 |
| crashanddie_ | UDP at the very least | 02:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What about wireless USB? | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | how about wireless cables/ | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | ?? | 02:18 |
| GAN8001 | I want Tesla back | 02:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | Wireless Cables Inc. ! The first company to offer Bluetooth devices with up to 30km range! | 02:19 |
| GAN8001 | I think we need some magic | 02:19 |
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| GAN8001 | They screwed us on the flying cars, so I want magic. | 02:19 |
| crashanddie_ | I want to meet Daniel Jackson and Jack Sparrow | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | just to go to Daniel Shanks and go "Dude, you managed to marry Lexa Doig. You fucking lucky bastard" | 02:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | s/Daniel/Michael/ | 02:20 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: just to go to Michael Shanks and go "Dude, you managed to marry Lexa Doig. You fucking lucky bastard" | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, Engadget is capitalizing Internet Tablet on the Q& | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/&/7/ | 02:27 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Interesting, Engadget is capitalizing Internet Tablet on the Q7 | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/ | 02:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bye, qgil | 02:28 |
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| Macer | holy shit win7 sucks | 04:36 |
| Macer | haha | 04:36 |
| tank-man | why do you say that | 04:39 |
| xnt14 | Macer: yup, its still bad, but better than vista | 04:42 |
| Macer | it IS vista | 04:45 |
| Macer | i seriously can't find any major difference | 04:45 |
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| xnt14 | well, it is the same code base, but I ill take it over vista any day | 04:47 |
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| Surtsey | Is there any debian-ports repo for maemo? I find it hard to believe I'm the only one who needs gnu screen. | 05:07 |
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| Macer | ok | 05:55 |
| Macer | wtf | 05:55 |
| Macer | windows 7 is vista with a new taskbar | 05:55 |
| Macer | if people pay for this shit they are stupid :) | 05:55 |
| Z357765413591701 | lol | 05:56 |
| Macer | seriously | 05:56 |
| Macer | that is all it is | 05:56 |
| Macer | i have read articles.. and been looking for differences | 05:57 |
| Macer | and there are almost none other than the taskbar | 05:57 |
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| Macer | and no more sidebar.. instead you pu thte "gadgets" wherever you want | 05:57 |
| Z357765413591701 | indeed | 05:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: w7 is actually quite nice | 05:57 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: it is vista! | 05:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it performs better | 05:57 |
| Macer | with a different taskbar | 05:57 |
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| Macer | how so? it's not necessarily going faster for me than vista does | 05:58 |
| Z357765413591701 | it has a slightly different base architecture | 05:58 |
| Macer | same kernel as vista | 05:58 |
| Z357765413591701 | (userspace) | 05:59 |
| Macer | it is something they could have live updated with a service pack but instead they are going to release it and charge people $500 for it :) | 05:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | Macer: an upgrade price is unclear | 06:02 |
| timeless_mbp | unless they've announced something... | 06:03 |
| Macer | i'm sorry but it is garbage | 06:03 |
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| * johnx goes and falls asleep after 1,247 miles of driving in two days | 07:35 | |
| ds3 | where did you go? | 07:35 |
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| johnx | ds3, la to seattle | 07:36 |
| johnx | basically | 07:36 |
| ds3 | Oh fun drive :D liked the 5? | 07:36 |
| johnx | yeah. I want to do it again with less of a time constraint :) | 07:37 |
| ds3 | this wasn't for pleasure? | 07:37 |
| johnx | not really, co-driving with my little sister back from her college to our parents' house | 07:38 |
| johnx | I mean, we had fun, but the time limit was strictly by today as I have work monday ;) | 07:38 |
| johnx | I think we did better than google's time prediction actually...even with gas stops and all that | 07:40 |
| johnx | excluding the ~7 hours rest in motel in Dunsmuir, CA | 07:40 |
| ds3 | that's the CA side of the OR-CA border, rightt? | 07:40 |
| johnx | hence the CA :) | 07:41 |
| johnx | north of Redding and south of Mt. Shasta | 07:41 |
| ds3 | wasn't completely sure it was right on the border or not | 07:41 |
| johnx | it's a good 60 miles south of OR I think | 07:42 |
| ds3 | Oh... it isn't on the border | 07:42 |
| ds3 | Good choice.... doing the Sisko(sp?) in the dark can get exciting | 07:42 |
| johnx | maemo mapper rocked my world. I need to get a bt gps to use with it next time | 07:42 |
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| johnx | driving in the dark I'm ok with, driving in the dark while my passenger sleeps and I start to hit sleep deprivation is not cool though | 07:43 |
| ds3 | *nod* | 07:43 |
| ds3 | is this the 800 or 810? | 07:43 |
| johnx | n800 | 07:44 |
| johnx | makes me want an n810 for car purposes :/ | 07:44 |
| ds3 | I get annoying at not being able to see maemo mapper during the day | 07:44 |
| johnx | yeah, the screen was totally washed out in the sun and the lack of GPS hurts | 07:44 |
| johnx | I can do something about the GPS with a cheapo bt gps, but the screen ... | 07:45 |
| ds3 | which map repo did you use? | 07:46 |
| johnx | google street maps | 07:46 |
| johnx | I didn't want to mess around with anything else | 07:46 |
| johnx | I'd like to switch to OSM for most things and start contributing when I can, but not this trip ;) | 07:46 |
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| ds3 | heh.... the OSM stuff works ok on the 5. the 10 has some issues | 07:47 |
| johnx | I-10? | 07:48 |
| ds3 | yeah | 07:48 |
| johnx | aaah. we were on that for a bit | 07:48 |
| ds3 | some parts of it are off by 500-1000ft | 07:48 |
| johnx | darn. I should have recorded a new track for it :) | 07:49 |
| ds3 | I can't tell if it was the construction deviating and not reporting back or a genuine error | 07:50 |
| johnx | the other thing we needed though was maps of side streets in towns we pulled off in. I asked maemo mapper for coffee in dunsmuir and it led me to a great little place with spot on location | 07:50 |
| ds3 | how do you ask maemo mapper for things like that? | 07:50 |
| johnx | menu -> POI -> download | 07:51 |
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| ds3 | and that pops up a box to search or? | 07:51 |
| johnx | yup | 07:51 |
| ds3 | oh... I must try that | 07:51 |
| ds3 | been having to run googlemaps in GVM for purely that use | 07:52 |
| johnx | it's backed by google's search results, so it tends to be pretty relevant | 07:52 |
| ds3 | that is saying nothing | 07:52 |
| ds3 | Google's results are rediculous 50-80% of the time | 07:52 |
| johnx | IME, it was pretty relevant | 07:52 |
| ds3 | I had googlemaps centered within 1-2 miles of aplacethat I knew by name. Ask googlemaps to find it - it finds an unrelated place in another state | 07:53 |
| johnx | er, yeah. it seems to do better finding businesses it seems | 07:53 |
| ds3 | had stuff like that happen too many times. googlemaps is too polluted | 07:53 |
| ds3 | That WAS a business | 07:53 |
| johnx | ah | 07:54 |
| johnx | no idea then | 07:54 |
| ds3 | I asked for it by name | 07:54 |
| ds3 | if I timed in the full exact name, it finds it | 07:54 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm off to sleep. 'night | 07:55 |
| ds3 | nightt | 07:55 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx | 08:59 |
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| thux | morning | 09:18 |
| lbt | morning all | 09:19 |
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| * kbalazs wants to know how can an application getting to know about the system goes to hibernate? is there any signal/dbus-message for it? | 11:37 | |
| Stskeeps | kbalazs: libosso may know, but it's sent out with a systeminactivity thing | 11:37 |
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| kbalazs | Stskeeps: is there any way to listen for it? expecially we want to purge out our memory caches in this situation | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | kbalazs: well, there's no such thing as "hibernate", the screen just turns off :) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't s2ram | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | and it sets a different PSM timeout | 11:42 |
| kbalazs | Stskeeps: it doesn't really matter from our point of view that how does the system going to be inactive | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | kbalazs: i can't recall the exact signal but there's definately one :) | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | signal sender=:1.9 -> dest=(null destination) serial=74 path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=system_inactivity_ind | 11:45 |
| kbalazs | Stskeeps: thanks, this would be helpful | 11:47 |
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| Stskeeps | what are you making, - out of curiousity? | 11:47 |
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| kbalazs | Stskeeps: we have a project what's goal is to optimize WebKit for embedded systems | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | interesting :) | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Tear's author bundyo is doing some fixes to webkit for maemo as well - with hildon input method and such working now | 11:50 |
| kbalazs | Stskeeps: you can get some sense about our work from here: http://webkit.sed.hu/ | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | interesting :) | 11:53 |
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| aquatix | what's the latest version of tear? | 12:07 |
| aquatix | 0.3 still? | 12:07 |
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| Jaffa | Bonjour | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Hi Jaffa, back from your trip? | 13:08 |
| keesj | Coucou, ca va? | 13:08 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Nope, not yet. In the (closed) bar on 4eur/hr wifi | 13:09 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah! | 13:09 |
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| Jaffa | Just downloading mail to my tablet, ordering a new monitor etc | 13:09 |
| lardman | morning chaps | 13:09 |
| florian | good morning | 13:09 |
| lardman | hey florian | 13:10 |
| Stskeepie | Jaffa: you can definately enjoy the vacation, you're avoiding the iTT flamefests ;) | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeepie: enough of them before I left meant I didn't read ITT for two days. Usually, I read it every couple of hours - and I'm much more relaxed for it. | 13:12 |
| Stskeepie | hehe | 13:12 |
| Stskeepie | i've gone as far as to ignore some people's posts, it has reduced my blood pressure considerably :P | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | If it hasn't calmed down by the time I get back, I'll do similar. | 13:13 |
| lbt | Jaffa : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286366 | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | Going cider/calvados/pommeau tasting this afternoon | 13:14 |
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| lbt | much more positive.... | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Nope, I won't be tricked | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | It's probably worse than goatse | 13:15 |
| lbt | it has room for a cider tasting application | 13:15 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: cool post | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | lbt: just recompiled, or needed patching? | 13:18 |
| Stskeepie | there's a lot of scratchboxisms at some places | 13:19 |
| Stskeepie | which kinda sucks | 13:19 |
| Stskeepie | i hope we can encourage not having sb-isms through the extras-testing procedure and maemian | 13:21 |
| * Jaffa nods | 13:21 | |
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| * Jaffa assumes he hasn't missed a new device announcement, btw | 13:23 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeepie: It might be a good idea to record test cases in the wiki. | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | Stskeepie: Whenever you bump into one.. | 13:23 |
| Stskeepie | yeah, we are | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | Stskeepie: So when we actually create a test script, we have test cases ;) | 13:24 |
| lbt | I've submitted a couple of ant-sb guards to maemo-Qt and they've been accepted in | 13:26 |
| lbt | simple things like if [ -d /scratchbox/ ]; do silly things; done | 13:26 |
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| lbt | also OBS has found some build errors.. missing dependencies, failure to run dh_ things... | 13:27 |
| Stskeepie | missing dependancies is a sbism too, assuming packages are there that isn't traditionally in bare build environments :P | 13:28 |
| Stskeepie | we have many gcc4isms too but i guess that will show in Fremantle too | 13:28 |
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| dl9pf | the sb-isms should just be guarded by ifs ... in case the're really needed | 13:41 |
| Stskeepie | in scratchbox they probably are :P | 13:42 |
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| GAN800 | People apparently don't get what commercial developers are. | 13:48 |
| Myrtti | there's people who don't get what developers are, period | 13:49 |
| Stskeepie | 'lo Myrtti | 13:49 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:49 |
| aquatix | hey Myrtti | 13:49 |
| aquatix | et al | 13:49 |
| GAN800 | Myrtti, it's sad when these people are developers. | 13:49 |
| Myrtti | GAN800: yeah... | 13:49 |
| * Myrtti is "Software Developer" herself | 13:49 | |
| Stskeepie | GAN800: well, imho maemo.org should be open to commercial developers too - it's a great way to shape up things and gain more backing | 13:50 |
| aquatix | how in flux is Mer nowadays? is it able to fully replace os2008? | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | It is | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | But commercial developers clearly have a separate support structure in place for them. | 13:50 |
| Stskeepie | (disclaimer: i didn't read all the thread since i'm ignoring some of the participants.) | 13:50 |
| Stskeepie | obviously | 13:50 |
| Stskeepie | but if we take it on a limb, it's a service nokia offers | 13:50 |
| GAN800 | With access to very different levels of information. | 13:51 |
| GAN800 | The argument is that knowing whether Maps or Navicore was bundled was relevant to commercial developers. | 13:51 |
| Stskeepie | ah | 13:52 |
| Stskeepie | well that makes more sense then | 13:53 |
| GAN800 | I don't believe it's important to community developers, and commercial ones clearly have their own channel to that information. | 13:54 |
| Stskeepie | it's not, nokia bundles what they want | 13:54 |
| Stskeepie | maemo mapper lives as a alternative no matter if maps or navicore is there | 13:54 |
| GAN800 | Which is why the whole thread is silly. ;) | 13:55 |
| * Stskeepie wonders if the financial crisis is a good time to start projects like mer and such. lot of people out of work and looking for ways to improve their CV. | 13:55 | |
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| Stskeepie | if you don't use your coding abilities you slowly lose them | 13:55 |
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| * lbt .... never ;) | 13:57 | |
| Stskeepie | my reason for working on mer is simple: make myself visible to land myself a good job after graduation | 13:58 |
| lbt | it's not what you know, it's who you know.... and who knows you. | 13:59 |
| Stskeepie | .. and because it's fun. | 13:59 |
| glass | who knows that you know | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | since gtk is an essential part of the maemo os and the user always has a theme in use, what is the issue of using the glyphs from the current in use theme? | 14:14 |
| Stskeepie | you can maybe use sapwood protocol to get pixmaps? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | yeah whichever method i use | 14:16 |
| lcuk | are those glyphs considered fair game to use in a none gtk app | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i would aim to not send media out and just use whats there you see | 14:16 |
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| * xnt14 is awake | 14:28 | |
| * Myrtti is infinitely intrested | 14:28 | |
| * lcuk shows xnt14 a swirly hypnotic pattern | 14:28 | |
| * xnt14 stares | 14:29 | |
| * JamieBennett is refactoring code and not liking it | 14:29 | |
| * xnt14 checks lifehacker/gizmodo/etc... | 14:29 | |
| * lcuk is bugfixing a bug thats unreproducable :| | 14:29 | |
| xnt14 | : | | 14:29 |
| lcuk | i did my refactoring at weekend :D | 14:29 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk Story of my life ! | 14:29 |
| xnt14 | :D | 14:29 |
| JamieBennett | Bugs, bugs and more bugs | 14:30 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, ive got exactly 2 known bugs with a specific firm | 14:30 |
| lcuk | and neither of them are reproducable on our systems | 14:30 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk blame the hardware | 14:30 |
| lcuk | but thanfully one of them is reproducably reproducable | 14:30 |
| lcuk | the other just randomly happens like an accidental fart | 14:30 |
| roope | what would macgyver do. | 14:31 |
| lcuk | apt-get install chewing gum, paperclip | 14:31 |
| Stskeepie | a rx-51 and a picoprojector | 14:31 |
| lcuk | but i cant do that with this lol | 14:31 |
| aquatix | lcuk: blame it on cosmic rays or the position of the moon? | 14:32 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, no can do, the one i am tracking today happens on multiple machines with multiple user accounts, its dpi resolution scaling issue | 14:32 |
| aquatix | or the occassional rain | 14:32 |
| lcuk | aquarius-, ive already put a bug report in with god about those | 14:32 |
| lcuk | they didnt believe me | 14:33 |
| aquatix | ah, god is a debian developer? | 14:33 |
| aquatix | :P | 14:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, but he codes in lisp | 14:33 |
| aquatix | yep | 14:33 |
| aquatix | well, actually he hacks it all together in perl | 14:33 |
| aquatix | but does it depend on the application, those dpi issues? | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | that does yeah, its stupid complex code sat around and returning different values and erroring, tisnt complex, but frustrating | 14:36 |
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| lardman | lcuk: dpi resolution scaling graphical thingymawatchit errors? | 14:42 |
| lardman | lcuk: easy solution to that you know? | 14:42 |
| lardman | lcuk: write command line programs only! | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | oh how nice | 14:44 |
| * timeless_mbp can't run update nokia phone software from OS X | 14:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/software/device-software-update/faq#faq26 | 14:44 |
| * timeless_mbp feels like a second class citizen | 14:45 | |
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| GAN800 | timeless_mbp, you just wish you were a second class citizen. ;) | 14:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN800: you sure i don't want to be a second class citiSen? | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: anyway, i'm tempted to try software update from w7 | 14:50 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what the odds are that it works there! :) | 14:50 | |
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| lcuk | "im sorry timeless, you cannot run the update software in a VM, please use a correctly license retail version of w7 " :P | 14:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, agreed most certainly | 14:53 |
| lcuk | these graphics are a bit hairy at the best of times ;) | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | did i mention that w7vXP requires hardware acceleration and therefore I can't use it in virtualbox on my mac? :( | 14:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:54 |
| lcuk | its prolly cos win7 has a short neck and looks dodgy in a turtleneck | 14:54 |
| aquatix | *g* | 14:55 |
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| GAN800 | I keep wondering what's happening in week 7. . . . | 14:56 |
| aquatix | release of symbian^2? :P | 14:57 |
| GAN8001 | I'm really interested to see what Nokia's software landscape is going to look like when Harmattan rolls around. | 14:57 |
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| * GAN8001 notes the G4 is "dead" again. | 14:58 | |
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| * aquatix wonders whether to get an N97 or a simpler phone and an RX51 | 14:59 | |
| lcuk | gan did you ever actually say what the problem was | 14:59 |
| aquatix | or maybe even wait till symbian^2 | 14:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, G4. | 14:59 |
| lcuk | i personally wonder whether you can root the n97 and put mer on it | 14:59 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: what's the G4? | 14:59 |
| aquatix | lcuk: heh :) | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not G4. The 2001 Quicksilver I have sitting in the family room with a hard drive that "dies" every once and a while. | 14:59 |
| aquatix | lcuk: and if it's usable then | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, can you root an N95 or N96? | 15:00 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh, a dead apple? | 15:00 |
| lcuk | you know what i mean | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, playing possum anyway. | 15:00 |
| lcuk | diablo even | 15:00 |
| lcuk | or fremantle if the n97 can handle the power | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I've also got a leaking G5 that's in the shop at the moment that lcuk was referring to. | 15:00 |
| aquatix | aha | 15:00 |
| lcuk | ahhh i thought you were joking about your g5 pissin all over the place | 15:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, the liquid cooling leaked and took out most of the component in the case (and rusted the case itself). | 15:01 |
| * lardman imagines the General rolling in after a hard night drinking and forgetting where the bathroom is | 15:01 | |
| * lcuk is liquidcoooled | 15:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I don't really drink. ;) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | storm surge? | 15:02 |
| lardman | well in that case it needn't have been a hard night then! :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | did you forget and lob that in the pool too? | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, my nihilistic tendencies are strong. ;) | 15:02 |
| lardman | mine are too after this weekend | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 15:02 |
| lcuk | whens stag do? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | or are you still chained to a lamppost now> | 15:03 |
| lardman | done, had a few drinks with some friends a few weekends ago | 15:03 |
| lardman | nah, was just dressed as a lady, so were the rest of them mind you | 15:03 |
| lcuk | ?? i thought you were meant to do something different for stag do? | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ladies? ;) | 15:04 |
| lardman | we decided we wanted a quiet stag+hen do all together | 15:04 |
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| lardman | can you see this?: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=2622718&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=750258503&id=750258503 | 15:04 |
| lcuk | you have uni mates who would chain you up dont you | 15:05 |
| lardman | they might try, but I said I'd break arms | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | nooooo, you cant break arms, break intels | 15:05 |
| lardman | Spanish class, back later on | 15:06 |
| lcuk | This content is currently unavailable | 15:06 |
| lcuk | The page you requested cannot be displayed at the moment. Please wait for your friend to be less pissed and try again | 15:06 |
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| xnt14 | lcuk: xD | 15:07 |
| lardman|learning | ah, well you'll have to join Facebook and become my friend then, or I can just stick the photo up on my webpage when I come back | 15:07 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:07 |
| xnt14 | web page please | 15:07 |
| * lcuk might get a facebook account when hell freezes over | 15:07 | |
| xnt14 | or I can host it on dreamhost, I have plenty of extra bandwidth | 15:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: that soon? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:08 |
| lcuk | i was planning on waiting till a blue moon, but i figured ive gotta have one achievable goal | 15:08 |
| lbt | <shock>you're not on facebook?</shock> | 15:08 |
| * aquatix isn't on twitter | 15:08 | |
| xnt14 | twitter ftw! | 15:08 |
| lbt | what's twitter? | 15:09 |
| lcuk | twitter wins | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | xD | 15:09 |
| aquatix | lbt: web-based irc | 15:09 |
| lcuk | but its a bit short for what im thinking | 15:09 |
| lbt | heh | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | heh | 15:09 |
| lbt | .log twitter | 15:09 |
| lbt | .log wins | 15:09 |
| * xnt14 randomly googles for merbot | 15:10 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you might know this (anyone else might as well) - if i started posting text based sketch files to t.m.o is there any way to make the text of the comment invisible and not displayed to a regular browser - but something that i could readback and convert back to sketches by browsing | 15:10 |
| lcuk | xnt14, dont | 15:10 |
| xnt14 | wtf? http://twitter.com/merbot | 15:10 |
| lcuk | i tried it - it leads to something about a hot karl | 15:10 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: to late :( | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: my sister asked me for help upgrading Firefox to Firefox 3 on her G4 | 15:10 |
| lardman|learning | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/1.jpg should do it, I'm the one with pigtails, have to run now almost late | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | she knew Firefox 3 was "available" because her start page offered it | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but check for updates didn't offer it | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | some user on urban dictionary thing is called merbot and his offered thing isnt great :| | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | because she's running 10.3.9 (just like my G5 back home) | 15:11 |
| lbt | I know the guy on the right! | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt, thats not a guy! | 15:13 |
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| xnt14 | timeless_mbp: xD, just dl ff3 off of mozilla .com | 15:13 |
| xnt14 | * -[space] | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | xnt14: pointless | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't run on 10.3.9 | 15:14 |
| xnt14 | oh ok | 15:14 |
| xnt14 | upgrade to tiger? | 15:14 |
| xnt14 | or leopard | 15:14 |
| aquatix | zomg @ lardman|learning's pic | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | buy her a license and i'll help her upgrade | 15:14 |
| xnt14 | sadly | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | mozilla.com is giving me a license this week | 15:14 |
| * xnt14 is broke | 15:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, see... | 15:14 |
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| lardman | ah, class cancelled | 15:15 |
| xnt14 | yay | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Leopard time. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, you can at least upgrade your sister. :P | 15:15 |
| xnt14 | panther it too old | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't even upgrade myself! | 15:16 |
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| lardman_ | oops | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm only upgrading because someone else is giving me the license | 15:16 |
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| xnt14 | plus its better, timemachine, spaces, etc | 15:16 |
| xnt14 | StsN802: New Tablet xD | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | My sister has totally switched over to using her iPhone as her primary computer. | 15:16 |
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| lardman | lbt: you really know him? | 15:17 |
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| xnt14 | GeneralAntilles: Never, Cydia crashes too much to be a good package manager, and safari is good , but still crashy, and the appstore crashes randomly | 15:18 |
| xnt14 | GA: apt-get ftw | 15:18 |
| lardman_ | whoa, wierd, a message I sent before my disconnect just arrived after I reconnected | 15:18 |
| xnt14 | timeless_mbp: fios? | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt14, huh? | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 15:19 |
| xnt14 | GA: is her iphone jailbroken or not? | 15:19 |
| xnt14 | xD | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt14, no. | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | xnt14: yes | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | my parents are lucky | 15:20 |
| Andrewfblack | Hello | 15:20 |
| xnt14 | andrewfblack: hello | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | FiOS is so awful | 15:20 |
| xnt14 | timeless_mbp, same here | 15:20 |
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| xnt14 | GA: oh ok xD | 15:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: iPhone as primary computer? wow | 15:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 15:20 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Friend of mine got the 20/20 connection which they kill every 15 minutes. | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | well, she could "run facebook on that" | 15:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | and gmail... | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, she uses her laptop for typing up papers and some of the bulkier research, but the iPhone has displaced it for almost everything. | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, that'd probably work, it's probably cheaper than upgrading her mac | 15:21 |
| xnt14 | timeless_mbp: what speed do you have? I have 5mb up ,a and 20mb down | 15:21 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: yeah I never understood that whats the use if I can't do anything on it really | 15:21 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: I know they don't want people running servers on it which is why but you can't even play an online game | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got Brighthouse here and love it. 20/2 | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | xnt14: dunno, i'm sharing it w/ my dad, so i'm not going to run a speed test | 15:22 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: my girlfriend uses a Palm T|X most of the time at home | 15:22 |
| xnt14 | oh ok :P | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, for browsing? | 15:23 |
| Andrewfblack | my boss is so cheap at work we only have 1.5mb down and .5mb up for about 12 people to share | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun | 15:23 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yep, and reading mail | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, sounds painful | 15:24 |
| * StsN802 bangs head into table | 15:24 | |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: well, she only checks some news sites | 15:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN802, should we buy you a pad for your desk? :) | 15:24 |
| aquatix | her primary pc at home is a Samsung NC10 (10" netbook) | 15:24 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: it's not like she doesn't use a pc at work :) | 15:24 |
| StsN802 | GeneralAntilles, more like protection from chinese mafia | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're gonna have to send in the Maemo Squad to save StsN802. | 15:25 |
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| StsN802 | it's leaked -all over- | 15:25 |
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| lbt | lardman probably not... fuzzy but looks like Andrew G | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pleading the fifth seems releveant. :P | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha: "english language firmware by maemo" | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 15:28 |
| lbt | have you guys any idea how much companies pay for marketing like this :D | 15:29 |
| lbt | StsN802... I can't see them being at all unhappy | 15:29 |
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| xnt14 | ok guys I have to go to school | 15:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | xnt[at_school]: 15up, 2 down | 15:48 |
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| toggles_w | anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia. | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i have a full appreciation for Nokia being able to run a open source project without product details leaking out all the time now. :> | 16:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what happened? | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i can't stick around to find out... bye :) | 16:07 |
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| xnt[school] | hello world! | 16:21 |
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| lardman | lbt: no, his name is Jon | 16:35 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:36 |
| lardman | hola que tal? | 16:36 |
| * lardman tries to get at least a bit of Spanish practise in today | 16:36 | |
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| * lardman thinks that perhaps his Spanish wasn't too great | 16:40 | |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: ping? | 16:41 |
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| _berto_ | lardman: well, it was ;) | 16:42 |
| lardman | yay! :) | 16:42 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, are you practising your Spanish for you honeymoon in Mexico :P | 16:49 |
| * VDVsx is kidding | 16:49 | |
| fiferboy | lbt: Have you made many changes to your finger scrolling code since the lbt-qt branch was created? | 16:50 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: we were thinking about going there, glad we didn't choose that now! | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps, lbt: How hard is it to submit packages to the Mer builder? | 16:52 |
| lardman | VDVsx: nah, just thought I'd use the facilities at the uni and learn another language | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: login, new package, write description, upload .dsc .tar.gz, done | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | I'm thinking of adding it to the Extras Assitant. | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | So you can submit it to Extras and Mer at the same time. | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | probably even easier with osc | 16:52 |
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| * lardman goes to get cold caffeine | 16:52 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Does OBS have an API for that? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah - poke lbt, i'm sure he'll help :) | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | It can be as easy as just creating a maemoextras account for your builder and use that to pass all packages to the builder. | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, lbt is the local expert on this, and i'm sure he'll help :) | 16:55 |
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| X-Fade | Heh, ok :) | 16:55 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4527 | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Lol, really? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Weird. | 16:58 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I can send screenshot if it works differently for you :) | 16:59 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: I have un-prived accounts too ;) | 16:59 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, yeah. you need to add authors somewhere else. | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: You need to Edit metadata for that. | 17:01 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: That's changed then. And not documented anywhere | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Hmm no, you are right. | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: You _can_ edit it there. | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But it should work in the edit form too ;) | 17:02 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Hmm and it does for me too. | 17:04 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: adding authors in edit view is not possible for me | 17:05 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I can only remove | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Does it lookup the user when you add the username in the box? | 17:05 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: problem is that there is no box :) | 17:05 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: edit metadata works | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Go to the edit form and shift-reload the page. | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I think you saw the names with a checkbox in front of them? | 17:07 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: reloading doesn't help | 17:08 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, if there is a author I can see that with checkbox | 17:08 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: if there is no author then there is nothing | 17:08 |
| mikkov_ | except the texts | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: That gets replaced with javascript. | 17:09 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I have Javascript | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you try logging out and then login again? | 17:10 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: doesn't help | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Any script errors? | 17:12 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: where would I see those? | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: depends on which browser you use.. | 17:14 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: look from from bugzilla | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: ctrl-shift-j ;) | 17:15 |
| mikkov_ | Error: $(this).parents is not a function | 17:17 |
| mikkov_ | Source File: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/js/jquery.form-defaults.js | 17:17 |
| mikkov_ | Line: 32 | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ok, I see it too. | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | i officially hate gmail | 17:24 |
| Andrewfblack | why hate gmail? | 17:25 |
| aquatix | why use gmail? | 17:25 |
| aquatix | ;) | 17:25 |
| aquatix | lcuk: but what's wrong? | 17:25 |
| lcuk | everytime i send a mail to/from the mailing list i fill in the lovely automatically prepared reply box | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and every time i do it its set to the individual who sent the mail and excludes the mailing list itself | 17:26 |
| * lcuk never checks, im replying to a mail i got just like every other | 17:26 | |
| slonopotamus | use reply-to-all, luke | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: The script that resets the default values in the login and search boxes is messing up. | 17:27 |
| slonopotamus | s/luke/lcuk/ | 17:27 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: use reply-to-all, lcuk | 17:27 |
| lcuk | thats the thing i never click reply to anyone, theres a reply box already that i use 100 times a day | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: So we need to fix that one. | 17:27 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ah, joy | 17:27 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: i guess the list has ML headers? | 17:28 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: k | 17:28 |
| lcuk | probably | 17:28 |
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| lardman | hmm, nice to see details of how to access the encryption engines on that Samsung chip | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:31 |
| * Stskeeps just hopes the cooperation with the company is not damaged. | 17:31 | |
| lardman | well they didn't leak it | 17:31 |
| lardman | came from Russia | 17:31 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, then tell ml owners to properly set reply-to header :) | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, this was something else :) less than 12 hours that i put the firmware image on mer-chatter it ended up on wiki.maemo.org/Mer obviously, and then on to http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/ , lardman | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | and it was just supposed to be an internal image. | 17:32 |
| lardman | ah yes, I saw your post about that | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | i like the publicity but i hope the company understands that open source means everyone can get it | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what do you want? | 17:33 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: does it have a video out on that device? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think it does. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | i need a cable for it though | 17:33 |
| lardman | good stuff | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | it has a tv on the headphone plug | 17:34 |
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| lardman | cool, just reading details on how to format TV output | 17:34 |
| crashanddie__ | technically so did the OMAP2 device, it just wasn't connected :) | 17:34 |
| lardman | yeah | 17:34 |
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| lardman | plus we didn't have any decent docs for it | 17:35 |
| crashanddie__ | true | 17:35 |
| crashanddie__ | which device is this you're talking about? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | SmartQ5 | 17:35 |
| lardman | well this doc gives the register offsets and how to write to them for everything I've looked at so far, looks promising | 17:35 |
| AStorm | undercutting nokia share with #maemo... brilliant! | 17:35 |
| AStorm | :D | 17:35 |
| AStorm | except it doesn't have a phone | 17:35 |
| crashanddie__ | where can I get one? | 17:36 |
| lardman | +1 | 17:37 |
| lbt | X-Fade: it's trivial ... eg I ran : bin/obs_package.pl --project Maemo:Mer:Devel:Extras:Testing --obsdir /home/lbt/data/obs http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/panucci/panucci_0.2-5.dsc | 17:37 |
| lardman | though I'd go for the smartQ 7 I think | 17:37 |
| lbt | back now :) | 17:37 |
| lbt | fiferboy: no, no changed... all Mer :) :( | 17:37 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I was just looking through the code in the repository | 17:38 |
| * lbt nods | 17:38 | |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: better now? | 17:38 |
| fiferboy | How did you come up with the constants you use? | 17:38 |
| fiferboy | 100 ms refresh, etc? | 17:39 |
| lbt | fiferboy: which? timings? | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | Yes. | 17:39 |
| lbt | thought | 17:39 |
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| lbt | they seem to work... I may have tweaked them | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Ok, so we would need to come up with a way to signal your builder with a pointer to the location of the package? | 17:39 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: is the multi-format codec firmware included in anything you have? | 17:39 |
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| crashanddie__ | stskeepdo you have a smartq5? | 17:40 |
| lbt | X-Fade: well, that's my script and it looks inside the dsc and pulls the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz | 17:40 |
| lbt | and ups them to OBS | 17:40 |
| lbt | so what is the objective? :) | 17:40 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Well we can run that too. | 17:41 |
| lbt | recently I decided a simple way to think of OBS is as a version control system for source tarballs and .dsc files and whenever you commit a tarball the build farm compiles it for you | 17:41 |
| lbt | so the script simplifies the process... but it's just a hack for 1st time uploads... | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I just want to add Mer here: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2 | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I wonder if tinkering with them would help improve smoothness at all, although I think only KINETIC_REFRESH would have any effect. | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i saw some .so's but i dont think so | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | And whatever work needs to be done in the background, needs to be done ;) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i am not sure though | 17:42 |
| lbt | cool... OK | 17:42 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: shame, but not a biggie, looks like that's only needed for the encoder dsp | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Since the user then only needs to upload once. | 17:42 |
| lbt | yep... | 17:43 |
| lbt | osc has a couple of commands | 17:43 |
| lbt | osc addremove | 17:43 |
| lbt | osc commit -m "message" | 17:43 |
| crashanddie__ | stskeep: do you have a smartq5? | 17:43 |
| lardman | damn, I'm wrong, need the firmware to access the hw accel parts too | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | lbt: 'automated build from Maemo Extras' ;) | 17:44 |
| crashanddie__ | s/p/ps/ | 17:44 |
| infobot | crashanddie__ meant: stskeeps: do you have a smartq5? | 17:44 |
| lbt | so if you checkout the osc project, delete the files in the wd, replace them, run addremove, run commit.... you're done | 17:44 |
| lbt | X-Fade: yep, I get it.... very nice :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie__: yes | 17:45 |
| lbt | X-Fade: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 17:45 |
| crashanddie__ | Stskeeps: I want one, how much for shipping one to me? :P | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie__: hehe. if the chinese haven't fucked everything up for me, i should get a vendor list.. | 17:45 |
| lbt | I am going to extend it to 'creating + maintaining a package in extras' | 17:45 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: seems reasonable | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Nice, looks great. | 17:46 |
| lbt | but my shopper scrolling is very smooth | 17:46 |
| lbt | so it could be Qt not being happy? | 17:46 |
| Andrewfblack | what are hardware stats compaired to a N8x0 on the Smartq5? | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | Andrewfblack, slightly faster ARM11 | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Can it query if the package is already known? | 17:47 |
| lardman | 667MHz | 17:47 |
| crashanddie__ | 667Mhz ARM11 | 17:47 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Is it okay if I send you a screenshot of what I am trying to scroll? Maybe you will have an idea | 17:47 |
| Andrewfblack | for the price would be cool to get one | 17:47 |
| crashanddie__ | Edge/GPRS support | 17:47 |
| lbt | X-Fade: yes | 17:47 |
| lbt | fiferboy: yes | 17:47 |
| lardman | though atm I think it runs at ~550MHz or so | 17:48 |
| crashanddie__ | (with USB dongle) | 17:48 |
| crashanddie__ | same root file system (256Mb) | 17:48 |
| lbt | X-Fade: have you got osc installed? | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | lbt: No, I'd have to set that up first. | 17:48 |
| lbt | do you have an OBS account? | 17:49 |
| Macer | hello | 17:49 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Not that either. I guess I'll have to setup 2 of those ;) | 17:49 |
| lbt | also X-Fade https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/ | 17:49 |
| lardman | finally, found the section about 3D accel | 17:50 |
| lbt | can you read that w/o an account? | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | lbt: yep | 17:50 |
| lbt | documents all the http xml api calls :) | 17:50 |
| lbt | which is what osc does for you | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Ok, looks pretty nice. Now to find time to create a script that only takes a few params and uploads the local files ;) | 17:51 |
| lbt | now most of the time, running something like : osc ls Maemo:Mer:Devel | 17:51 |
| lbt | is a *lot* easier | 17:52 |
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| crashanddie__ | lardman: 3d accel on the sq5? | 17:52 |
| lbt | when you start I'll work through it with you if you like... it's useful just to get pointers to what it _can_ do | 17:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: yep | 17:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't wait for 3D on the RX-51 | 17:53 |
| lardman | I just want some new hw to hack on | 17:53 |
| lbt | X-Fade: you a perl hacker? | 17:53 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I sent you an email. | 17:54 |
| lbt | cool | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, don't we all | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Not really, but reading/editing those should be ok. | 17:54 |
| lardman | of course | 17:54 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/dc246880 | 17:54 |
| lbt | most of osc is python ... ^^ is my hacking ;) | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, "Maemo" Extras? :P | 17:55 |
| lbt | fiferboy: thanks very much but I don't need to extend anything... | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yep, I've decided not to care anymore ;) | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 17:55 |
| lbt | hmm that may not have been your email... | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Everything is Maemo from now on :D | 17:55 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Well, then get off my mailing list :) | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Extras" is less than half the letters, though! | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm you've got a point there. | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | Think of the time I will save.. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just drop Maemo everywhere | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call the next one "5" | 17:56 |
| crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles: you done anything interesting with your beagleboard ever since you got it? | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, fuck no! | 17:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles <- lazy bastard | 17:57 | |
| crashanddie__ | so why the fuck do you want new hardware? | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Thanks, that doesn't look half bad ;) | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles applies Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia as a life-objective | 17:57 |
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| lbt | gives you an idea... | 17:58 |
| crashanddie__ | "If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it." | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, I can manage from there probably. | 17:58 |
| toggles_w | anyone have a pointer for n810 + maemo-pan + ubuntu 9.04? i can pair the two but cannot seem to get an ip and there doesn't seem to be a 'dummy connection' in the select connection box. tia. | 17:58 |
| crashanddie__ | 0x92a2bc29 | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, because an RX-51 comes with everything it needs to work. | 17:58 |
| crashanddie__ | (copyright xkcd) | 17:59 |
| lbt | fiferboy: ducks!!! | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Beagle Board requires too much extra shit to be convenient. | 17:59 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Theres lots of them here | 17:59 |
| irgsomething | hey guys | 17:59 |
| * Andrewfblack will never speak bad of wayfinder cracking again, just please stop PMing me hate mail about it lol | 17:59 | |
| lbt | loons | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, yarrrr! | 17:59 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie_, like any rule, taken too far is crippling | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | lbt: What should we do with bugowner and maintainer? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie__ | kill them | 18:01 |
| lbt | ideally they should have an obs account :( | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Point that to the generic build user if the user is not found? | 18:01 |
| lbt | yes | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | lbt: We can query if the user has an account, right? | 18:01 |
| lbt | not tried that... | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/#1 says so .. | 18:01 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: looks like the JPEG accel is all memory mapped register based, which is why I'm guessing it's used | 18:02 |
| lbt | GET /person/<userid> | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | yeah, where userid is not really an id ;) | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | But username | 18:02 |
| lbt | yeah, the docs are light | 18:02 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: the 2D accel stuff is similar though, but I read somewhere that no 2D accel was performed; perhaps the hassle of hacking the X-server? | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | Well, we know the username at garage. So it can do a lookup. | 18:03 |
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| lbt | yes... that's a more complex problem though | 18:03 |
| RST38h | moo all | 18:03 |
| lbt | there will be collisions | 18:03 |
| lbt | we'll need a mapping table | 18:03 |
| RST38h | what 2d accel? nobody does 2d accel any more. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | lbt: https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/user.xml | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | The email is in there too | 18:04 |
| RST38h | so stupid, really | 18:04 |
| lbt | can you query on it though? | 18:04 |
| lcuk | no it isnt# | 18:04 |
| lardman | RST38h: faie enough | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | lbt: No, just search for the username and see if the email matches? | 18:04 |
| * RST38h suspects it was "fail enough" =) | 18:04 | |
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| lbt | yes... but a table/mapping is more reliable | 18:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: true :) | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I can just ask for their OBS account name. | 18:05 |
| lbt | yep | 18:06 |
| lbt | and store in the maemo profile? | 18:06 |
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| lardman | cu later | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, need to see where I store it. But that should no be a problem. | 18:06 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: is that OSS ? if so send me the code / git repo:) | 18:06 |
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| Macer | i didn't know that reiser pled to 2nd degree murder and showed them where he hid the body | 18:07 |
| Macer | so he was guilty as sin huh? :) | 18:07 |
| lbt | VFS layer I think | 18:07 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I can send you a tarball if you like | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Macer: you have been out of the loop then | 18:07 |
| lbt | sure... | 18:07 |
| Macer | i guess so | 18:08 |
| Macer | i know he was convicted but i didn't know he took a plea and showed the authorities whrere he hid the body | 18:08 |
| Macer | wow | 18:08 |
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| Macer | what did he do? stab her to death in the car seat then replace the seat? | 18:08 |
| fiferboy | It has a scratchbox variable detection in the src.pro file | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Macer: it wasn't like he had a choice, after all the evidence | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | Macer: who knows? who cares? | 18:09 |
| lbt | fiferboy: ugh... I'll fix it up... | 18:09 |
| Macer | well.. i just thought it was interesting | 18:09 |
| fiferboy | I'll change it to the hildon detect that Antonio has added to the latest version when it is available | 18:09 |
| RST38h | The guy is just a crazy geek whose autism made the worst of him | 18:09 |
| penguinbait | stop talking about me ;) | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Oh, no penguinbait, we all hope you have not got to this stage ye =) | 18:10 |
| * lbt wonders how to set his username to orange... | 18:10 | |
| Macer | abandoned by the open source community after his conviction | 18:10 |
| Macer | hahaha | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Abandoned by WHOM??? | 18:11 |
| penguinbait | like this /nick orange | 18:11 |
| penguinbait | heh | 18:11 |
| * RST38h likes it when people believe in oxymorons, makes them so much more entertaining to watch | 18:11 | |
| lbt | fiferboy: I just sent the fremantle Qt to OBS this morning | 18:11 |
| fiferboy | I saw that you had cleaned up some scratchbox detections. | 18:12 |
| Macer | she was a mail order bride! | 18:12 |
| Macer | LOL!! | 18:12 |
| Macer | ok.. i'm sorry :) i'll stop now | 18:12 |
| lbt | yeah Qt is very clean though.... but the diablo/fremantle split is a bit messy...changelogs don't match etc. | 18:13 |
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| RST38h | Macer: but of course! | 18:13 |
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| lbt | does anyone know the syntax of a debian blah.lintian file in debian/ ? | 18:15 |
| fiferboy | Are there any big changes in the fremantle version that you know of? | 18:16 |
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| lbt | input changes by the look of it | 18:16 |
| lbt | grep OS_FREMANTLE I think (there's a debian.fremantle/patches/ file ) | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | Were there any scratchbox-isms in it? | 18:17 |
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| lbt | 1 sec | 18:18 |
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| lbt | no | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | That's good news | 18:18 |
| lbt | all openGL related and a build-depend on nokia-binaries | 18:18 |
| Macer | omfg | 18:18 |
| lbt | (which is GL too ) | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | Ah, right. I saw that thread too | 18:19 |
| Macer | he had 2 books in the murder car about homocide investigation :) what did he have.. murder for dummies? | 18:19 |
| Andrewfblack | any final comments or concerns before I PM Reggie to change minimalist over to minimalist 2.0? | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: None of us have seen Minimalist2 yet, haven't we? =) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | So, yea, change it by all means and let complaints come as they always do | 18:21 |
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| Andrewfblack | I've posted some screenshots and I've had a lot of people recommend changes off of it. | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Seen the screenshots | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/iphone_temperature_warning.png | 18:27 |
| RST38h | oh yesss | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: hah | 18:28 |
| RST38h | they say it mostly occurs due to external causes | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | "user on fire" | 18:28 |
| lbt | I thought it was "/dev/lp on fire" | 18:29 |
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| fiferboy | Why am I not tempted to visit that URL? | 18:44 |
| irgsomething | LOL | 18:44 |
| RST38h | you ain't? | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I sent you the code. Any insight you have would be much appreciated. | 18:45 |
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| lbt | sure... been keeping an eye out | 18:45 |
| lbt | is a big data file included .. or is that personal data? | 18:45 |
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| fiferboy | It is included | 18:45 |
| lbt | ok | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | I'm afk for a few hours, but I'll be back this afternoon (EST) | 18:46 |
| lbt | got it | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | Thanks! | 18:46 |
| AStorm | RST38h, like, outside temperature being >= 25°C? ;P | 18:46 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: more like direct sunlight thing | 18:48 |
| AStorm | ah, you say 35°C? :P | 18:48 |
| AStorm | still not that hot | 18:48 |
| RST38h | AStorm: a black item placed in direct sunlight without wind can get much hotter than that | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, u frying ants again | 18:55 |
| RST38h | no no | 18:57 |
| * RST38h has nothing against the animal world and tries never offending it | 18:57 | |
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| RST38h | (humans are obviously not included) | 18:57 |
| lcuk | has the volcano in mt doom been extenguished yet? | 18:58 |
| lcuk | +spelling ffs | 18:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, wasn't there last night | 18:58 |
| lcuk | did you look around to see if it had moved :| | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: it hasn't, or I would know =) | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | funny thing is, people living around the spot bought whole boxes of beer to last them through the night of watching the show =) | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | fire has that effect | 19:01 |
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| RST38h | fire, water, men working | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | lol - basically any excuse for a piss up | 19:03 |
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| lardman | re | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: our first blurry picture saga of mer.. http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/digital-product/smartq5-english-version-firmware-beta/ | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:25 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: did you happen to grab a ps output on the original firmware with the image view running? | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Sts: =) | 19:27 |
| * lardman is wondering how the image view accesses the JPEG acceleration, assuming it does | 19:27 | |
| * lardman is also being ordered to go to the shops. bbiab | 19:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | lardman|afk: no sorry | 19:30 |
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| AStorm | public away is evil! | 19:37 |
| AStorm | unpacking mer 0.13testing1, I hope the touchscreen bug is fixed :) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:38 |
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| * RST38h hasn't done any development of his own stuff for a month or so now =( | 19:41 | |
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| oscarx | AStorm, sorry, you'r right.. I'm going to disable it.. | 19:42 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: no worries | 19:43 |
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| lardman | just looking at the screenshots on electroworld.cn, I see a camera icon on the device, it doesn't have one does it? | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | no camera | 19:52 |
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| lardman | I wonder why the icon | 19:53 |
| RST38h | coming in q7? | 19:53 |
| lardman | perhaps it's actually supposed to look like something else | 19:53 |
| pupnik | what screenshot is this lardman ? (hi all) | 19:53 |
| lardman | nah, Q7 doesn't look like it has one either | 19:53 |
| lcuk | RST38h, octal years | 19:53 |
| lardman | http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_5.htm | 19:53 |
| lardman | http://www.eletroworld.cn/nb/SmartQ_7.htm | 19:53 |
| RST38h | q11 next then? =) | 19:54 |
| lardman | lol yeah, give it a couple of weeks :) | 19:54 |
| pupnik | oh yeah smartq | 19:55 |
| pupnik | getting one lardman ? | 19:55 |
| lardman | yeah, just wondering how to go about it | 19:55 |
| lardman | I'd prefer the big screen one I think, but not sure if they are available yet | 19:56 |
| pupnik | the 7" what is your reason for buying? | 19:56 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:56 |
| lardman | hw acceleration hacking, and can use it to watch videos | 19:56 |
| lardman | once I hack the hw that is | 19:56 |
| pupnik | 7" would be great for older folks at home, imo | 19:56 |
| * lardman raises hand :D | 19:56 | |
| RST38h | would be great for me too | 19:56 |
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| GAN800 | Something is taking a lot of time to load on Talk at the very end of the rendering. | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | css | 19:58 |
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| GAN800 | I think it may be js | 19:58 |
| GAN800 | The little page number selector at the top appears after the delay. | 19:58 |
| andre__ | hmm, looks like the first people come up that don't know the difference between bugtrackers and forums/mailinglists :-/ | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | Hmm? | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | no surprise there | 20:04 |
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| andre__ | like 4526. | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | "Decapitation seems to be the best solution, but unpredictable regeneration of the brain stem continues to cause difficulties." | 20:11 |
| lcuk | sometimes RST38h i think you are a bot | 20:11 |
| RST38h | That is because I am. | 20:12 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:12 |
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| crashanddie__ | Stskeeps: got reseller information for the sq5? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie__: .. well i had a minor problem earlier with some very efficient chinese, but i'm waiting for a list provided the relationship to the company isn't forever destroyed.. | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | oh shit Stskeeps, what did you intend to say, and how did it come out? :D | 20:16 |
| lcuk | did it involve their parents lol | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: so, who efficionalized whom? | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, got a profiler somewhere that could help see what's taking forever to render? | 20:17 |
| RST38h | (and no, when giving something to a random Chinese or Russian guy, you can't hope to keep it confidential, don't expect it) | 20:17 |
| RST38h | GAN: On desktop Linux yes, but not on the tablet - OProfile requires a speial kernel afaik | 20:18 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, I like that I keep seeing it commented as some sort of official Maemo port. :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: they refer to maemo.org in the posts though | 20:18 |
| lcuk | excited that a "big" distro has noticed them :) | 20:19 |
| RST38h | GAN: Is desktop ok? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | it shows how right your approach is :) | 20:19 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, I see the same delay on FF3 on my Mini 9, so, yes | 20:21 |
| RST38h | all right, what URL? | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, is it like the google urchin locking up | 20:22 |
| lcuk | or a *shock* virus | 20:22 |
| RST38h | will see | 20:23 |
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| * lcuk might try typing naked fingered tonight | 20:26 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, pick any Talk thread. | 20:26 |
| RST38h | ok, will do in a second (have to reboot to Linux) | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Ok, the total page isze is 226kB | 20:36 |
| RST38h | there is 32kB CSS and 114kB JS | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | as to what the hell happens on load, I will tell you in a moment after finding and installing JS debug extension | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm thinking the js menus should be replaced by CSS ones. | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | I would remove both and just have a menu bar with keywords in plain HTML | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, or that. | 20:39 |
| RST38h | this css/js stuff is just plain silly | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Andrew is actually doing it for Minimalist2 | 20:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I might think about mocking up something for that. | 20:40 |
| RST38h | it isn't even worth a mockup - <a ...> | <a ...> |... | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's way too much stuff for that. | 20:41 |
| RST38h | well some of it will have to get hidden, unfortunately | 20:41 |
| RST38h | or appear in the second menubar underneath, in smaller font | 20:41 |
| RST38h | which of course require a bit of js, but not nearly as much as menu does | 20:42 |
| fiferboy | lbt: How's it look? | 20:42 |
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| kruq | t minus 8 minutes | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I thought about driving over to the other coast today but I'm just too damn lazy. | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | No airplanes? | 20:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, erm, ~$300 a person for 3 people for a day trip to the the spaceport? | 20:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Plus rental car, since I'm not sure how close you'd actually be able to get. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Talk does not appear to run any JS on load | 20:56 |
| lbt | fiferboy: just hangs when I run it unde x86 | 20:56 |
| RST38h | At least profiler does not see any | 20:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, something's still rending stuff after the progress bar is finished. | 20:57 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Did you compile in a regular gcc environment | 20:57 |
| RST38h | it does send a google analytics request | 20:57 |
| lbt | yes | 20:57 |
| RST38h | but wait, I have got some js data in | 20:57 |
| lbt | qmake | 20:58 |
| lbt | make | 20:58 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Ok, the first spot is taken by anonymous functions inside ga.js :) | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register() | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Third spot is taken by vBulletin_init() | 20:59 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Is a ".birdlist" directory created in your home directory? | 21:02 |
| lbt | lemme see | 21:02 |
| lbt | yes | 21:02 |
| lbt | 0 size .db | 21:02 |
| fiferboy | Any journal file? | 21:03 |
| lbt | not in there | 21:03 |
| RST38h | GAN: I think it is vbmenu_register(). The ga.js stuff appears to be something else | 21:03 |
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| lbt | QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCheck_toggled(bool) | 21:04 |
| fiferboy | Oh, I know why. Try copying the "src/data/tables" directory to "~/.birdlist" | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too much haze to see outside. | 21:04 |
| lbt | QMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_sortCombo_currentIndexChanged(int) | 21:04 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ok, the data is in. Ready? | 21:05 |
| lbt | better | 21:06 |
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| fiferboy | That doesn't actually stop it from running. It happens everytime, I have to figure out where that is happening (from an old ui file) | 21:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, want to CC it to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286537 | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 21:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, I will tell you and you do what you want with it | 21:07 |
| RST38h | For a variety of reasons I would like to abstain from that discussion, not my fight | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bundyo gathered some: http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/maemo_org_profile.png | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't think it's a fight. | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Anyways, the first spot is taken by Google Analytics with 1 call taking 381 units | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | GAN: The second spot is taken by vbmenu_register() that gets called 16 times on each page load and takes 226 units total for 16 calls | 21:08 |
| RST38h | GAN: The third spot is vBulletin_init() with one call per page load, taking 193 units | 21:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: The forth spot is Google Analytics AGAIN, with 1 call of 141 units | 21:10 |
| RST38h | This is it, the rest is insignificant. You can refer to me when posting this stuff to the thread. | 21:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The menu should be easy to fix. | 21:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As most of those are pretty redundant or can be made redundant. | 21:10 |
| lbt | fiferboy: feature request from the wife... ID the bird from the piccy | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | I'll gladly take feature requests, but image recognition is going to take me a long time to implement. | 21:11 |
| lbt | ;) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | fake it then! | 21:11 |
| lbt | OK, lets hit armel then... you OK if I push it to public OBS? | 21:12 |
| RST38h | GAN: Google Analytics eats a lot though | 21:13 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Where does it show up? | 21:13 |
| lbt | it's public ... Mer... | 21:13 |
| lbt | :Extras:Devel for now | 21:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: I am also using Google Analytics on my page, going to profile it for comparison | 21:14 |
| lbt | if you'd rather not then that's OK | 21:14 |
| fiferboy | I'd prefer to clean it up a bit before it hits any public repos. | 21:14 |
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| fiferboy | I can send you a binary if you want to try it out. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | GAN: Absolutely no hits from Google Analytics on my page | 21:15 |
| lbt | that's OK... I'll try it in my shopper chroot | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish my 5800 would ship | 21:16 |
| RST38h | GAN: Please notice that I am using urchin.js (old style) but talk uses ga.js (new style?) | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, wonder what's slowing it down on Talk | 21:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Here is what Google says about the difference: | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | ga.js? ;p | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be back later. Thanks for investigating, RST38h. I'll see what we can do with Reggie to improve it. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeepie, MUHAHAHA! | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Yes, Sts, our good general is solely responsible for wasting CPU cycles on talk.maemo.org | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah.. :P | 21:17 |
| RST38h | KILL! BURN! IMPALE! | 21:17 |
| RST38h | GAN: "Although your existing urchin.js page tags will continue to work, you may wish to update them to ga.js anyway. This will allow you to take advantage of the most up-to-date tracking functionality as it is added to Google Analytics. An immediate benefit you'll notice is that the ga.js tags allow you to track ecommerce transactions in a more readable way. And, we've created a special resource on the ga.js javascript for power users who want mor | 21:18 |
| RST38h | e options" | 21:18 |
| RST38h | In other words, my guess is that if Reggie changes 'em back to urchin.js, neither he not anyone else will notice | 21:18 |
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| mmatth1 | i'm wondering if anybody knows how to reset the dns cache... i've found misc sites that all mention restarting the nscd daemon. is that what needs to be done on maemo? | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's dnsmasq based there | 21:21 |
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| mmatth1 | thanks. i tried a dnsmasq restart but no luck. i'm switching from a wlan connection to gprs. the wlan connection resolves the name to its local/internal address. the gprs connection should resolve to an external address... | 21:34 |
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| mmatth1 | so when i'm on the wlan connection, i open a socket & connect. read & write. then when i see the gprs switch i shut down the socket and do the gethostbyname to get the ip address. however, i'm getting the internal address which of course i can't connect to | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Did you manage to get it built for ARMEL? | 21:43 |
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| cyrus_mc | I have an N810, and when I connect to my computer only the external memory card is availble, not the internal. | 21:51 |
| locutus | can be because files on the internal card are locked | 21:51 |
| locutus | if thats the case, the kernel cant unmount the internal mmc, and thus not export it as a USB MSD | 21:52 |
| locutus | you can see if this is so by using lsof in a terminal | 21:52 |
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| lardman | cyrus_mc: make sure you don't have a file open on the internal card, or the xterm or the filemanager, etc | 22:04 |
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| yerga | interesting: http://ofono.org/ | 22:19 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: not yet | 22:25 |
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| * lbt found something shiny | 22:26 | |
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| lcuk | interesting mail from the dev ml :) | 22:33 |
| lcuk | http://ofono.org/ | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | "Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project | 22:33 |
| lcuk | (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source | 22:33 |
| lcuk | telephony solution." | 22:33 |
| RST38h | hmm | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | This is most likely ia32 based though | 22:35 |
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| keesj | are there ia32 based phones out there? | 22:37 |
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| suihkulokki | keesj: nokia 9000i | 22:38 |
| RST38h | NO | 22:38 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: no way?!? | 22:38 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: at 24MHz 386 | 22:39 |
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| keesj | event then , it uses dbus and such so it's more about linux based system then the instruction set used | 22:45 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: please, please, please tell me it ran MSDOS =) | 22:45 |
| RST38h | "But being linked wirelessly to a massive library of legal downloads, bestselling books, magazines and newspapers, is what will make a reader great. For now, the only mainstream reader that can claim such a feature is the Kindle, and the only country that can claim the Kindle is the US." | 22:47 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: it ran GEOS on top DOS | 22:47 |
| RST38h | suih: even better! geos was running on top of msdos anyway | 22:48 |
| suihkulokki | some info in fi_FI http://servut.us/mk/dos9kfi/ | 22:48 |
| RST38h | poor non-americans not having access to massive library of legal downloads.... | 22:49 |
| * RST38h feels so sorry for them! | 22:49 | |
| suihkulokki | some people put even linux on it, but they had to use asmutils since busybox was too big :) | 22:49 |
| derf | Suckers! | 22:49 |
| RST38h | derf: who? =) | 22:49 |
| derf | RST38h: The non-Americans. | 22:49 |
| RST38h | derf: sure ot os not the vice versa? | 22:50 |
| derf | Well, I am sure I don't have a Kindle. | 22:50 |
| RST38h | derf: that is unamerican. | 22:51 |
| derf | Oh. I guess I'll go move, then. | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | too late you are already unamerican. | 22:52 |
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| derf | Maybe New Zealand. It's cheap down there. | 22:52 |
| RST38h | derf: 50% of skin cancer over the average lifespan | 22:52 |
| RST38h | that is probability, not the percentage of your skin affected =) | 22:52 |
| derf | RST38h: Only if you go outside! | 22:53 |
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| derf | I also don't except the cheapness to last. | 22:53 |
| derf | They've just done a better job of devaluing their currency than most. | 22:53 |
| derf | But, ceteris paribus, I consider myself pretty lucky to have been born American. There's lots worse places to have wound up in this world. | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | Definitely true | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | Although the restriction of your behavioral choices to making money and buying stuff is somewhat frightening | 22:57 |
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| derf | I don't buy much stuff. | 22:57 |
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| RST38h | derf: We have already determined that you are unamerican =) | 22:58 |
| derf | I don't deny it. | 22:58 |
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| derf | I don't watch TV, either. | 22:59 |
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| * RST38h usually limits himself to History Channel when in US | 23:00 | |
| RST38h | Most other channels cause involuntary "what the fuck?" response | 23:00 |
| derf | Most of the Discovery Channel-related offerings are decent. | 23:01 |
| derf | God forbid you ever watch network news. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | History Channel is usually worse than Discovery. | 23:01 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 23:02 | |
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| timeless_mbp | buying stuff is fun | 23:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i might have spent 2000USD for the past week or so | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | well eur > usd these days isn't it? | 23:03 |
| timeless_mbp | has been for ages | 23:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | and since it's really EURs that i'm losing, it's not bad | 23:03 |
| RST38h | GAN: That probably depends on personal preferences but I agree that both HC and Discovery stuff are watchable | 23:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, History Channel gets a little Hitler insane. | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | ww2 coverage constantly? :P | 23:05 |
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| derf | GA: Wikipedia tells me that's changed since they started a separate Military History Channel. | 23:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: I am suuuure it is seasonal :) | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | Speaking of the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri | 23:07 |
| lizardo | fremantle autobuilder has gone crazy :( | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Species specifically endangered by the nazi wannabes | 23:08 |
| RST38h | lizardo: Catch X-Fade and interrogate! | 23:08 |
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| qgi1 | jeremiah_: ping? | 23:08 |
| lizardo | [extras-builds] [fremantle]: unknown unknown UNKNOWN ... [2009-05-11 23:05:07] No .dsc files found in '/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo' ??? | 23:08 |
| qgi1 | ah lizardo, this is related to a question I had for jeremiah_ :) | 23:09 |
| lizardo | qgi1: no problem hehe | 23:09 |
| qgi1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/May_09 says | 23:09 |
| qgi1 | Run a test build of all Diablo Extras packages on Fremantle . Could . Jeremiah | 23:09 |
| qgi1 | "The fact that developers are porting packages themselves somewhat obviates the need to me to do a lot of this. " | 23:10 |
| qgi1 | I'll ask in the list or something but... wouldn't this be the other way around? | 23:10 |
| lizardo | qgi1: at least for PyMaemo packages that's true | 23:10 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Got to go now. Email me if you have any questions about the code | 23:10 |
| qgi1 | developers have to port themselves because there is no automatic move from Diablo? | 23:10 |
| lizardo | qgi1: pretty much all packages were uploaded already to fremantle | 23:10 |
| lbt | k | 23:10 |
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| qgi1 | really? wow | 23:11 |
| fiferboy | Thanks! | 23:11 |
| lizardo | qgi1: pymaemo packages I mean :) | 23:11 |
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| qgi1 | ahm :) | 23:11 |
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| qgi1 | "Reducing number of external repositories - contact outstanding owners" appears as "should", which looks more like a Could compared to the other task | 23:12 |
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| qgi1 | same for http://wiki.maemo.org/ITP - appears as should. anyway I better tell thise where he can readi it ;) | 23:13 |
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| |R | Is Fremantle using core utils or busybox still? :) | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think busybox, but i actually didn't check | 23:15 |
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| mmatth1 | Stkskeeps - actually /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" is working for me... but only if i type it into the command-line myself. if i try to call system("/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart") then it doesn't seem to work. any hints? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | youÃ're running as a user vs root | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
| mmatth1 | (to clarify, in the former case i'm running my daemon and open a terminal & type the command myself. in the other case, i'm making the "system" call from my daemon) | 23:34 |
| mmatth1 | as a user | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but you did it as root otherwise :) | 23:35 |
| mmatth1 | right, daemon is running as a user. from the terminal i was root | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's why :) | 23:36 |
| mmatth1 | :( | 23:36 |
| mmatth1 | thanks | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | evening rkirti | 23:53 |
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| rkirti | Stskeeps : evening :) | 23:54 |
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