IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-05-09

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Guest1883_745any idea how i can get the source pack for startup aplication?00:10
Stskeepsthe what now? :P00:10
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stiev3is there any reason why I shouldn't attempt to solder two female ends of usb extension cords and use that for my n810?00:13
luke-jrstiev3: jsut be sure you do the OTG stuff properly00:14
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xnt14yup my otg adapter is a usb pcb for a custom computer mb, just soldered the pins together00:15
xnt14as luke-jr said make sure you have the otg setup befre you connect anything00:15
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stiev3thanks I'll read up on it00:17
xnt14:) ij00:18
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Guest1883_745any idea how i can get the source pack for startup aplication?00:20
xnt14what startup app?00:20
Guest1883_745maemo.org00:20 the website or the os?00:20
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xnt14* forgot to add a space00:21
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*** ccooke has joined #maemo00:21 = website                         maemo = default tablet os00:21 Startup Screen v1.0-1maemo400:21
xnt14oh :P00:22
Stskeepsprobably laying in extras00:22
Guest1883_745how get the source?00:22
Guest1883_745like apt-get source ??? (waht?)00:22
xnt14try apt-cache search splash (or w/e)00:23
xnt14Stskeeps: that was fast :P00:23
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Stskeepsi know the repos00:24
Guest1883_745ok xnt tx i check and comeback00:24
xnt14ok :)00:24
Guest1883_745its last think i need to launch very soon my Borg Complete Theme (sounds-theme-startup)00:24
Guest1883_745woot woot00:25
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pupnik_\ is there any SD card that will expose the SD to the network via NAS type tech?00:26
pupnik_samba/nfs whtvr00:26
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xnt14pupnik: the sd card or the nit?00:27
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pupnik_so you stick sd card in - ribbon cable coming out to breakout box with rj45 connector00:29
pupnik_and any files written by camera will be visible to network00:29
xnt14nope, never seen one :(00:29
xnt14but they do have an sd card that uploads photos via wifi to flickr00:30
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pupnik_no way00:32
pupnik_xnt14: what...|!!00:32
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Shadow__Xis there a way to have a keep alive using dun00:34
xnt14Shadow_X: im not sure00:34
pupnik_awesome xnt1400:35
pupnik_thank youuuu00:35
xnt14pupnik: :) np00:35
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xnt14    :P hd suicide :P00:36
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Shadow__Xi think i found a way00:41
Shadow__Xyou load a big web page00:41
Shadow__Xwhile its pulling everything down00:41
Shadow__Xssh into a boxen00:41
Shadow__Xand does something that keeps polling00:41
Shadow__Xlike ifstat00:41
Shadow__Xor top00:41
Shadow__Xalso you can use it as a proxy00:41
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Guest4129_813TX xnt00:44
Guest4129_813i got it00:45
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AStormShadow__X, there is, and it's enabled by default00:50
AStormwhat usually fails is the PPP server sending you IP refresh00:50
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AStormbecause of slight time desyncs00:50
xnt14     ROFL00:50
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AStormso you lose connection for a few seconds00:50
Shadow__Xhmm AStorm so how do i get it to work because it doesnt keep alive00:50
AStormit doesn't for you? ah, wait00:51
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AStorm        persist option to pppd00:51
AStormin the peer file00:51
AStormnot sure if there's any way to set that in UI00:51
AStormif there isn't, it's a major Nokia failure00:52
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AStormah, that's probably on if it reconnects00:53
AStormthe actual option is: idle <n>00:53
AStormset to 0 to disable idle disconnect I guess00:54
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Shadow__XAStorm, where is that01:08
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Guest4129_813someone can tell me when i open default files manager, the focus goes directly on the first one in the list in the left side...i wanna know what is this ui part color exactly?01:19
Guest4129_813here i sample of my rubish01:19
Guest4129_813like you see in this file manager  the first one in the list is black panted for default focus01:20
Guest4129_813its my last issu01:20
penguinbaitSorry, what is the question?01:20
Guest4129_813the question is...01:21
Guest4129_813if you look the pics01:21
penguinbaitok. looked01:21
Guest4129_813you see files manager01:21
Guest4129_813and the first default file selected by default01:21
penguinbaitim with you so far01:21
Guest4129_813but wrong color01:21
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Guest4129_813black underlined purple01:21
Guest4129_813i wanna know (isolated) the name/part of this ui01:22
Guest4129_813french guy here01:22
Guest4129_813what is the name of this part selction by default here01:22
penguinbaitsorry, I don't know01:22
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Guest4129_813iam so sad lol that my last issu before launch stable version01:23
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penguinbaitI am sure someone must know, but I am not a programmer01:24
Guest4129_813yes i know01:24
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Guest4129_813you better then that anyway :)01:25
penguinbaitVIVA LA FRANCE01:25
Guest4129_813Vive le Quebec Libre!01:25
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penguinbaitwell I can assure you, your english is better than my french01:27
labaudioyes i know but some tweak like ui theming is toug for me01:28
labaudiobut iam good01:28
labaudioviva tablet hacker man01:28
penguinbaitHow do you say "where is the beer store" in french  ?01:28
labaudioi lear a lot01:28
penguinbaitwe are all tablethacker's :)01:28
labaudioOù est la taverne?01:28
labaudioOù est la SAQ01:29
labaudiobut man here in quebec its beer + quebecgold lol01:30
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labaudiothat a famous hack01:30
labaudiono crack man01:30
labaudiobut hack fosha01:30
penguinbaityour desktop is pretty coll btw01:30
labaudioi work for a complete borg theme whith hildon icon and sounds01:31
labaudioits really soon01:31
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labaudioits a little project compare a toug project like others01:31
labaudiofun and learn its always good01:32
labaudiothat my line01:32
labaudiowhere you from pb?01:33
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luke-jrb-man: here?02:08
luke-jrxnt14: ?02:08
* b-man is here02:08
luke-jrb-man: Yandere02:08
* xnt14 is here02:08
luke-jru 202:08
xnt14sorry too bust :(02:08
xnt14*busy :P02:08
* xnt14 will watch02:09
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LiraNunab-man, there?02:18
b-manyes :)02:18
LiraNunab-man, hey there! I tried getting ubuntu to work, and it won't boot02:18
LiraNunait just blanks the screen and restarts02:18
LiraNunaany idea?02:18
b-mandid you use the deblet bootmenu?02:19
b-mandid you install sys-env-x?02:19
luke-jrb-man: hurry up02:19
LiraNunab-man, I installed gnome02:20
b-manluke-jr: i'm helping someone atm :P02:20
LiraNunadoes it come with it?02:20
luke-jrb-man: -.-02:20
b-manbut is sys-env-x installed?02:20
LiraNunalet me chroot and check02:21
b-manluke-jr: XP02:21
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Ogreb-man get back to anime02:22
Ogrewe need you02:22
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LiraNunab-man, no, it wasn't02:24
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b-maninstall it ;)02:25
b-manit will make ubuntu compatible with the system02:25
LiraNunasorry, your guide have no indication of it02:25
b-manit's at the bottom02:26
LiraNuna // Ctrl+F + sys-env-x yields nothing02:27
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b-manLiraNuna: are you looking at the ubuntu-n8x0 thread?02:33
LiraNunab-man, uh.. no02:34
LiraNunaoh yes02:34
LiraNunaI am02:34
LiraNuna > Talk > OS / Platform  > Alternatives  > Ubuntu Jaunty for the N810/N80002:34
LiraNunainstalling sys-env-x have no difference02:34
b-manah nvm02:34
b-manthe ubuntu-n8x0 thread provides information for sys-env-x ;)02:35
LiraNuna<LiraNuna> // Ctrl+F + sys-env-x yields nothing02:35
elninja_If I setup OS2008 on my internal SD card, will it use a swap partition on that card?02:35
elninja_Or should I just skip creating a swap partition02:35
b-manLiraNuna: i'll get you a link02:38
Macerif it is maemo then you need a fat32 partition on the card for swapping02:38
Macerand yes. it would use the same card for the OS and for swapping02:39
* b-man hates his slow connection02:39
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b-man(sorry for double posting)02:44
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GeneralAntillesErg, time to create the May sprint page.03:15
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LiraNunab-man, thanks03:23
b-mannp :) btw, sorry if i drove you crazy :P03:25
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luke-jrhow to get flasher to work?03:53
luke-jrSuitable USB device not found, waiting03:53
infobotwell, flashing is
infobotsomebody said flasher was
GeneralAntilles May page is up03:54
luke-jrwhite screen of death?03:55
lcukwhats a patchset gan?03:56
GeneralAntilleslcuk, all of the custom stuff we've put on top of our Bugzilla install03:57
lcukahhh a service pack03:58
GeneralAntillesExcept these are diffs.03:58
lcuksame idea :D03:58
luke-jrnot really, mr. windozeuser03:59
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lcukhow is an MS binary diff different to a source diff - to the end user04:00
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luke-jrlcuk: one is from MS, the other by the end user04:02
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kfxlcuk: the end user can examine the source one to tell whether or not it's going to make IE his default browser and cram it back on the desktop and quicklaunch bar04:03
kfxwith the binary you just have to kind of assume that's what's going to happen04:04
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, these patches might be useful to other people. :P04:06
* lcuk wonders what he started. 04:07
luke-jrbootmenu won't let me use the menu04:07
luke-jrand Maemo doesn't like 2.6.30 :/04:07
LiraNunawill a non-maemo (deblet/mer/etc) be able to use it?04:09
* luke-jr ponders04:09
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LiraNunamaemo is still .12 isn't it04:09
LiraNunaoh my bad04:09
fireunstar date 2009.5.8.2104:11
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luke-jroh well04:25
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penguinbaitbored b-man?05:35
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* luke-jr wonders what's with the high volume of kids in this channel, anyhow.06:05
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luke-jrwhere is everyone06:29
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jaemis there a reason for the odd spam-seeming listings on Downloads? (e.g. and similar)07:35
jaemor is that just spam07:35
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RST38hSomebody is probably just fooling around08:13
RST38hit does not look like spam08:13
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jaemwell, spam was the wrong word08:17
jaembut it was odd08:17
RST38hanyone can create a "project" there, hence these dummy projects08:18
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* Stskeeps yawns09:22
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luke-jrStskeeps: !09:24
luke-jrStskeeps: how to debug kernel issues? :/09:24
luke-jrI get no output09:24
Stskeepsenable console and adjust cmdline not to be silent or spitting out to serial port?09:26
luke-jrerr? :/09:27
zakkmwow freeciv is the hardest game ever09:28
Stskeepsluke-jr: CONFIG_CMDLINE09:29
Stskeepszakkm: nah, not not that user friendly09:29
luke-jrzakkm: not really09:29
zakkmjust tried it for the first time gave up hah09:30
luke-jrCONFIG_CMDLINE="root=1f03 rootfstype=jffs2 ro console=tty0 console=ttyMTD5"09:30
zakkmi read the tutorial though09:30
luke-jrzakkm: try aifill 20 size 109:30
Stskeepsluke-jr: set to tty1 instead i guess and enable fbcon within the kernel09:30
zakkmwhats that?09:30
luke-jrzakkm: insane difficulty09:30
zakkmis tty0 .. 1 ? startng from 0 or is tty0 something else?09:30
zakkmim like how can i not of played freeciv, and knew about it all this time ;p so i tried it09:31
zakkmisnt there console as a choice too?09:33
Stskeepsstarting from 009:33
Stskeepscomputer scientists start from 009:33
zakkmits off, its on .. and it adds :P09:33
zakkm0, 1 (binary) 2,3,4, ( decimal counting )09:33
zakkmi always thought tty1 sent to first tty?09:34
zakkmtty1 -6 and then X?09:34
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Stskeepser.. it's too early for me to remember that09:35
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zakkmits 2;35am for me, didnt goto bed yet09:35
RST38hmoo sts09:35
Stskeepsmoo RST38h09:35
zakkmStskeeps: is the smartq a success?09:36
zakkmStskeeps: did you see that annouced #7 ?09:36
zakkmThe SmartQ 7 runs an unspecified Linux distro with specs that include WiFi, a USB-host mode, stereo speakers, and up to 2-days of music off a single charge to its 4500mAh Li-Poly battery.        .... unspecified guessing thats mer? :P09:37
Stskeepsno, they run the same firmware09:37
Stskeepsnot mer (yet) :P09:37
Stskeepsbut yes, personally it's a success for me so far :P09:38
zakkm did you see?09:38
Stskeepsi have kernel+bootloader sources for the q7 too so09:38
zakkm4500mah.. :P09:38
zakkmand up to 2-days of music off a single charge ..... hows that done?09:39
zakkm48 hours?09:39
Stskeepswith that scren it probably needs it09:39
RST38hnokia only has 1500 with the same screen09:39
zakkmthe smartq7 .. has 7" screen09:39
RST38hah, the 7" model09:39
Stskeepsq5 is 2000mAh :P09:39
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zakkmStskeeps: should get a q7 for free :D09:41
Stskeepsi got a q5 for free :P09:41
Stskeepsisn't it a bit much to ask for until the project shows it's worth? :)09:42
zakkmWell it looks like it might be even cheaper than I expected. have it up for $189.09:42
zakkm^ - found on umpcworld09:42
Stskeepsyeah, but then again the GBAX guy (famous from the pandora) claims to have them too09:44
Stskeepsalso the specs on eletroworld is a bit odd09:44
Stskeepswell, ok, they have a english version of the manual09:45
RST38hoh hee go the aiplanes09:45
zakkmlooks like a nice design09:45
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* RST38h watches planes form his window, then hears about them on TV09:47
zakkmplanes for what?09:47
RST38hzakkm: a military parade09:47
Stskeepsis it doomsday today and can i go back to bed? :P09:47
zakkmis that why i heard plans lastnight?09:48
RST38hIt takes 'em about 20-30 seconds to fly from my house to the center of the city09:48
RST38hProlly not09:48
zakkmStskeeps: second option can be done with or without first one ;p09:48
zakkmheard planes -.- *09:48
RST38hSts: It's doomsday. Go, sleep it over.09:48
tank-manits called synchronicity :)09:48
tank-manzakkm, so is it tty0 ? I tried pressing ctrl+alt+1 just now and had to restart X :(09:49
zakkmwhy? you can just do ctrl alt 7 ? or whatever X started in09:50
zakkmi always thought tty started at 1, until like 15min ago?09:50
RST38hmaybe he did not know? :)09:50
luke-jrtank-man: I have that song!09:50
tank-manno, i had a blank screen after. might be somnething to do with dvi vs vga09:50
zakkmjust because you switched tty, doesnt mean X is "unloaded/stopped"09:50
* luke-jr listens to 'synchronicity'09:50
RST38hzakkm: his video drivers may have got confused09:51
zakkmdvi vs vga?09:51
* Stskeeps tries generating 0.13 images to see how that goes.09:51
zakkmarent we talking about tablet?09:51
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zakkmtank-man: did you see which one X starts at?09:51
zakkmif console/bash w.e isnt started.. it would be a blank screen09:52
pupnik_w0w q5 cheap09:52
zakkmso only like alt f1-f5 would show console.. and 6 would be blank..and 7 would be X probably then 8 onwards might be fully blank09:52
tank-manim just refering to any linux system and i tried it on my desktop pc. console stuff only shows up on non-dvi screen for me09:53
zakkmi cant afford a dvi cable :)09:53
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zakkmnever heard of that09:53
zakkmthat would be weird? screen doesnt control that much does it?09:53
zakkmvga  vs dvi?09:53
zakkmdid you guys see  ?09:55
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zakkm"slingbox" for 59.9909:56
tank-manyea I looked it up some more and its specific to nvidia users09:56
zakkmnvidia rules :)09:57
zakkmhave a 8500gt 512mb pci-e :D09:57
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Macerare there only 3 gpu makers left?10:02
Macerintel, nvidia, and ati?10:02
Maceris that's all that's left?10:02
luke-jrnVidia is the worst of those 3 of course10:03
Macerwho else is left?10:04
Macerwell. i suppose there is still via.. but that is pretty low end10:04
zakkmnvidia is awesome10:04
luke-jrnVidia sucks10:04
zakkmdont forget OMAP :D10:04
luke-jrMacer: I forget the other one10:04
Maceromap :) haha10:04
luke-jrOMAP doesn't count as GPU!10:04
luke-jrit's jsut a framebuffer10:04
zakkmi thought the new one has opengl ?10:04
zakkmopengl 2.010:05
luke-jrso does the old one10:05
luke-jrbut we can't use it10:05
luke-jrso it doesn't matter10:05
Maceri like my artigo10:05
Macersems to work well as a server10:05
GeneralAntillesImagination Technologies, zakkm.10:05
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jaemhey zakkm10:05
zakkmhey jaem :D10:05
jaemhow's the headset?10:06
GeneralAntillesA lot of these are out of business, but still:
zakkmbeautiful, ran out of battery life so i didnt take it to my friends house10:06
zakkmPowercolor! :D10:06
luke-jrthat's the one I was thinking of10:06
zakkmpowervr? :P10:06
Macers3 = via10:06
jaemzakkm: what?10:06
luke-jrS3 Chrome I hear is really nice10:07
luke-jrbut hard to find10:07
zakkmjaem: i didnt get to use it today, well actually since it arrived for the most part :(10:07
zakkms3 chrome is terriblee10:07
Macerit sucks10:07
jaemyeah, sorry about the missing rubber cover on the one earpiece10:07
Maceryeah.. my artigo uses a chrome10:07
Macerit is a piece of crap10:07
jaemit was under my shirt and, I guess it caught and fell off10:07
Maceri suppose it is great as an ultra small desktop... but it's horrible10:08
zakkmjaem: i only use one ear :P10:08
luke-jrMacer: a recent one?10:08
zakkmwhats the center thing for?10:08
zakkmcan press it but it doesnt seem to do anything10:08
zakkmthe thing that says nokia10:08
Macer01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CX700/VX700 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 03)10:08
jaemit can do things if the program supports it10:08
zakkmdoes any maemo thing support it?10:09
Maceri guess it works pretty well in winxp :) but the linux drivers are slow as shit10:09
jaemI believe MediaBox uses it for basic audio control (next/prev/play/pause)10:09
Maceri have to hand it to via though.. the picoatx is awesome10:09
zakkmmacer: terrible, had it on a old server i ran with a friend omg we just went and sold the motherboard on craigslist and bought another10:09
Macerthere are a lot of possibilities with having a small pc like that10:09
luke-jrMacer: maybe I'm just thinking h264 acceleration10:09
jaemI'm not exactly sure how it works - my completely unfounded guess is inaudible pulses on the mic line10:10
jaemdoes anybody know how the button signals the NIT?10:10
Macervideo isn't important for a server10:10
luke-jrjaem: ?10:10
jaemMacer: that's what aalib is for XD10:10
jaemluke-jr: the button on the Nokia earbuds10:10
zakkmmacer: it helps when remote desktop'ing i found10:11
luke-jrjaem: there's an event# thing jsut for that10:11
Macermy little artigo is a beast10:11
zakkmit was a windows server, had to use windows software10:11
luke-jrsymlink at /dev/input/by-path/platform-retu-headset-event-10:11
Maceri know via is supposed to release a newer model soon10:11
jaemthere isn't a dedicated conductor on the plug for it, so I presumed that it piggybacked on the mic line10:11
Macer1.5GHz with a gbit lan10:11
jaemluke-jr: thanks! that might be useful10:11
luke-jrjaem: it's exposed to software via that event thing :p10:11
Macerthe one i have is 1.0GHz with 100mbit10:11
Macerit's great though for a low powered server10:11
jaemluke-jr: I'm wondering about the hardware level10:12
luke-jrjaem: let me know how it looks on the software side? ;)10:12
jaemone sec10:12
luke-jror wait, this headset came w/ N810?10:12
* luke-jr wonders where he put his10:12
zakkmjaem sent me one :)10:12
luke-jrcrap, I think I've lost everything N810 that I don't use..10:12
Stskeepsmorning GeneralAntilles10:12
Macerzimbra is going to come out with 6.0 soon :)10:13
Maceri'm excited10:13
zakkmwindows mobile 7.. hurry up :D10:13
Macer3 of the bugs i reported are supposed to be repaired10:13
Macerhas anybody tried win7?10:14
zakkmive had win7 rc for weeks10:14
Maceris it just vista?10:14
Macerwith a new name?10:14
zakkmway different10:14
zakkmproper speed too10:14
zakkmfaster than xp, in most cases10:14
zakkmaero doesnt look as nice though10:14
zakkmits very static10:14
radicwho are the conf-files of the apache2 package?10:15
Macerdoes it look like vista?10:15
Macersounds interesting10:15
zakkmdock just shows icon, no title10:15
Macerit has a dock? :)10:15
Macerlike osx?10:15
zakkmsorry taskbar10:15
zakkmdamn my mac thinking lol10:15
Maceri should download it and try it out10:16
Maceri don't know.. that sure looks vistaish to me10:16
zakkm <-- i still say thats the coolest looking OS look... dont you think ( what longhorn.. the one before vista was suppose to look like )10:16
zakkmmacer: bad screenshot :(10:17
Macerlol... that thing looks just like vista10:17
zakkmdid you guess see the longhorn concept video?10:17
Macerok... the 2nd one looks better10:17
zakkmi would of left mac for it :(10:17
zakkm2nd one = what vista was suppose to look like10:18
luke-jrStskeeps: aww, still no debug output :<10:18
Stskeepsluke-jr: hmm10:18
Macerwell.. they were supposed to release this right ? but decided they would release vista instead?10:18
Stskeepsand you inserted fbcon as a =y and not =m?10:18
zakkmmacer: <-- goto 1min 2 seconds10:18
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luke-jrStskeeps: =m, and copied the module to the initfs10:18
zakkmand watch10:18
Stskeepsluke-jr: ah no, =y10:19
luke-jrfbcon.ko works for .2110:19
zakkmmacer: the video will show you more , and video was done in 2006 ... they were making longhorn.. gave up on it then made vista.. thats why it took so long to go from xp to vista10:19
Stskeepssure it does but you want the kernel using it as a console10:19
zakkmmacer: it wasnt 5 years making vista or w.e it was only like 2.. they gave up on the old project10:19
luke-jroooh, I see10:19
zakkmmacer: that vidd... "Coming oct 2003 " lol10:20
zakkmmacer: real by the way10:20
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Maceryeah haha10:20
zakkmdid it watch?10:20
Macerthey were supposed to have been doing the win7 thing years ago10:20
Macerbut they scrapped it for vista10:21
zakkmdoesnt that look so sick?10:21
Maceri guess it was easier for them to use xp and mod the desktop and release it as a new OS than work on the newer one10:21
zakkmi think thatvideo they did, was the coolest OS of all times :P10:21
Macerthat is a nice looking video though10:21
zakkmi would lovee to use that10:22
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Macerbut i remember that ms was supposed to release this and instead the world got vista10:22
Macervista was supposed to have a much better 3d desktop10:22
zakkmi think that looks better, dont you?10:22
Macerwith the ablility to angle windows and what not.. instead it was xp with transparent borders on the windows10:22
Maceryeah... i am goig to download it now and try it out :)10:23
zakkmthat would of really sold, especially in 200310:23
jaemI tried the (beta?) for about an hour10:23
zakkmjaem: beta of what?10:23
jaemit was better than Vista, for sure, but - I don't know - Windows just annoys me10:24
zakkmits not much different now, just more stable / faster10:24
MacerMicrosoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC Build 710010:24
Maceris that the latest?10:24
jaemI can use it, but it gets to me after a little while of use10:24
jaemmostly just small things10:24
zakkmMacer:  i had that for like a month and a bit10:24
pupnik_fuck microsoft with an IED10:25
jaemin comparison, I've run into more serious issues occasionally with Linux, but it just "clicks" with me10:25
zakkmbut yeah, can get it officially10:25
jaemone amusing note about Win7, though10:25
zakkmat microsoft site10:25
Maceryou can download the rc officially?10:25
zakkmsince may 5th10:25
jaemthe first time I tried it, the logoff sound crashed, and blocked the logout with an error message10:25
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zakkmexpires in august/ next year in august10:25
Macerno shit huh.. is that their way of massive beta testing?10:25
zakkmmost likely august 201010:26
zakkmyup :)10:26
zakkmim surprised maemo doesnt do that :P10:26
zakkmwhy doesnt maemo have a bug report button anyways? :P10:26
zakkm"send to maemo team" when something crashes10:26
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jaemzakkm: on-device?10:26
luke-jrbecause it's perfect10:26
luke-jris has no bugs10:26
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zakkmi get crashes all the time10:27
zakkmmostly tear though10:27
jaemexcept for the three I reported that likely won't ever get fixed10:27
jaemnow, anyway10:27
zakkmnot feature stuff, just crash reports10:27
jaemoh well, Mer's better IMO anyhow10:27
Macerwell.. supposed to use mer from now on :)10:27
zakkmdid you see early aero?10:27
Maceraero is garbage10:27
* luke-jr uses Gentoo.10:27
jaemzakkm: some people find them annoying, and I would expect (just guessing) that it puts more load on the triagers10:28
* zakkm uses Mac and have been for about a year now, and is never going back to any other OS10:28
luke-jrzakkm: you run Mac on your N810?10:28
jaemluke-jr: sure, why not?10:28
luke-jrjaem: I think b-man said it was slow10:28
jaemwasn't b-man working on Vista ;)10:28
zakkmb-man started darwin10:28
zakkmnot mac i thought10:28
Maceryou hav eto join some technet plus garbage to get the official rc?10:29
Macerscrew that10:29
luke-jrzakkm: Mac OS 8 IIRC10:29
zakkmmacer: looking in wrong place10:29
jaemthere is an emulator for the ancient Mac versions, though10:29
jaemI tried Win 3.1 in DosBox10:29
zakkmmac os 8 is oldd ;p10:29
Macerthat was ms site10:29
luke-jrjaem: Win3.1 runs in DosBox⁇10:29
jaemluke-jr: sort of10:29
jaemI couldn't get the pointercal to work (in Dosbox itself)10:29
Macerthere it is10:29
zakkmoh snap sorry!10:30
luke-jrMacer: wheere's the official torrent?10:30
jaemand my tablet laid charges against me for assault (on battery)10:30
Maceri don't use torrents10:30
jaemyes, pun intended; no, it didn't work10:30
zakkmis dosbox good?10:30
jaemMacer: but the MPAA is endorsing TPB these days - didn't you hear?10:30
jaemzakkm: yes, for dos apps10:31
zakkmnever tried it, on desktop or tablet10:31
Maceryou have to sign up for a msn acct to download it10:31
Macerscrew that10:31
zakkm iwanted to try a dos game10:31
zakkmhow well would cd dos games work?10:31
Macerno thanks... torrents are slow as shit10:31
zakkmi guess that might be going too far10:31
jaemzakkm: cd as in CD?10:31
Macertorrents are so 1990s10:31
zakkmirc ftw!10:31
Macerirc is so early 1990s ;)10:32
tank-manusenet ftw !10:32
luke-jrIRC is more like 1980s10:32
jaemwell, you could mount an ISO somewhere, then map it to D:\ in dosbox10:32
jaemthat would likely work10:32
zakkmyeah im thinking it wont be a good game for tablet though ;p10:32
Macerms wants you to create an msn acct just to download the rc10:32
Macerwhat bullshit heh10:32
zakkmmacer: nooo10:32
zakkmit wants a passport10:32
jaemfair point10:32
zakkmwhich you can get using gmail and such10:32
jaembut still close enough10:32
Macerscrew that10:32
jaemit's still through MS10:32
jaemjust with a different address10:32
Macerthat's all i want is a bunch of goddamn ms crap being sent to me10:32
jaemluckily, they aren't stupid enough to require that address' credentials :S10:33
zakkmmacer: just google a directlink ;p10:33
zakkmthe official directlink10:33
zakkmthen google a serial10:33
Macerthey are worse than my long lost ancient indian prince cousin trying to give me money10:33
jaemhey, I know that guy10:33
jaemmy fortune is on its way10:33
zakkmdoes that mean we're related? :D10:33
Macerzakkm: don't know. i'm still waiting on my diamond stash10:33
jaemall he wanted was my credit card number!10:33
Maceryeah.. all i needed to give him was my bank acct number and routing number!10:34
zakkmi messaged back asking for a family discount :D10:34
Macerso he could deposit my diamond fortune directly into my account10:34
Macerany day now i should see my millions10:34
Maceri wonder how many people fall for those sort of spams10:35
zakkmi read a book on it10:35
jaemobviously some10:35
Maceri just can't see people being that stupid10:35
zakkmthere was one person, he did it... got caught years later.. went to jail.. the police told everyone he scammed10:35
jaemhave you seen the "Has your credit card number been stolen on the Internet?  Enter it here to check!" banner?10:35
StskeepsMacer: i lost faith in humanity early on10:35
zakkmand yet, until this day, well book age... they still sent him money10:35
jaempeople are pretty stupid10:36
MacerStskeeps: haha10:36
Maceryeah.. that's pretty bad10:36
Maceranybody who falls for something like that deserves to be eliminated from the gene pool10:36
Macerlet me see if i have any of those in my gmail spam10:37
StskeepsMacer: saw my SmartQ5 yet btw?10:37
* zakkm keeps all his hotmail emails, has about 6000 + unread msgs in his hotmail account10:37
jaemI get spam trying to sell me cheap semiconductors10:37
MacerStskeeps: ?10:37
jaemI wonder what that says about me...10:37
luke-jrzakkm: I have about 6000 in my inbox alone10:37
Macerwhat is  a smartq5?10:37
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Stskeeps(your tablet on top and the smartq below. ignore scale, screen size is same)10:38
zakkmeww mer :D10:38
Macerhey.. is that the new one ? :)10:38
zakkmnight jaem10:38
Macerglad it's doing some good for you ;)10:38
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Stskeepsyeah.. i need to find some kind of purpose for the old tablet though10:38
Macerhow is it working out for you Stskeeps ?10:38
zakkmStskeeps: i can give it a good home :)10:39
Macerhah.. well.. that is a nice n800 i gave you ;) i tried to keep it well maintained10:39
Stskeepszakkm: my lcd scrolling tablet10:39
StskeepsMacer: yeah, it seems to work nicely so far :)10:39
Maceryeah. i loved it until i got my G1 ;)10:40
zakkmwe should go back to some kindergarten lessons, taking turns :D10:40
Macerthe qwerty really makes a difference10:40
zakkmeww G110:40
Macerzakkm: all the g1 needs is bt hid support10:40
luke-jrStskeeps: it's trying to use /lib/modules/current/ instead of /lib/modules/ACTUAL_VERSION10:40
Macerand it will be great10:40
zakkmyour have a bt thing better than the physical keyboard?10:40
zakkmthat makes it worthwhile?10:40
zakkmluke-jr: cant you symlink?10:40
* Stskeeps isn't regretting his subscription so far10:41
luke-jrzakkm: then it will break if I boot the other kernel :/10:41
zakkmluke-jr: wait, shouldnt it already be symlinked?10:41
zakkmi ran into a problem last week at a friends house10:41
luke-jrzakkm: I have two different kernels10:41
zakkmtrying to think what i did10:41
Macerwhat is up with all this damn drug spam10:41
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Macerlike pharmacies?10:41
luke-jrI'm not getting drug spam lately10:41
luke-jrjust sex spam10:41
Macer"get drugs at low prices"10:42
* zakkm thinks luke-jr should start reading his spam :)10:42
* zakkm thinks luke-jr should press the "not spam" button10:42
luke-jrAphroodisiac Foods For Better Lovemaking10:42
luke-jrFemale Orgasms - Biggest Culpprit Preventing You From Giving Your Woman Mind-Blowing Orgasms10:42
zakkmits funny, i been getting those since i was 8, young age for such things eh? :P10:43
Stskeepsyeah, i'm getting a lot of those10:43
luke-jrTyhe Forgotten Art of Seduction10:43
Macerwell... i don't have any prince from nigeria trying to give me my fortunes10:43
Stskeepsas in, sex spam, not female orgasms10:43
luke-jrzakkm: why shouldn't I keep them in spam?10:43
luke-jrStskeeps: XD10:43
Macerwhich is odd.. that one seems pretty standard10:43
zakkmluke-jr: i was referring to it being a good read // i was joking..10:43
luke-jrzakkm: they're all just images of some sort that I don't load10:44
Macerwtf is a pilule pack?10:44
luke-jrand my wife's still waiting for me in bed nearly every night10:44
luke-jrso dont' really need spam advice10:44
luke-jrStskeeps: so any idea on "current"?10:45
zakkmdid anyone see the lottery scam?10:45
Stskeepsluke-jr: are you trying to boot maemo or gentoo?10:45
zakkmrightt you guys are older ;p10:45
luke-jrStskeeps: Gentoo, right now10:45
luke-jrStskeeps: I don't want to break Maemo tho10:45
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Stskeepsluke-jr: oh, right, initfs probably uses current10:45
Stskeepson 770 i just booted straight from mmc10:46
Stskeepsand used solca's boot scripts10:46
luke-jrso it does10:46
Stskeepsas in no initfsf10:47
luke-jrok, initfs hacked to use uname -r dir…10:48
luke-jrhopefully that won't blow up on me10:48
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luke-jrkernel BUG10:51
luke-jrstupid thing scrolls way too fast10:51
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luke-jrStskeeps: no /dev/mmcblkNpN :/11:00
luke-jroh well, TOMORROW11:00
Stskeepsluke-jr: i think i knew mmc support was dead11:01
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luke-jrStskeeps: ⁈⁈11:02
Stskeepsluke-jr: there was some issue on MMC support11:02
Stskeepsstlc45xx mentions it11:02
luke-jrwhat does stlc45xx have to do with MMC? :/11:02
Stskeepsit has a comment on what the later kernels break11:02
Meizirkkinow that's why nitdorid acts weird with memory cards...11:03
zakkmhey guys, is it a good idea since im booted off sdhc, that i should install 48mhz kernel?11:03
Stskeepsyou can see if it helps. n800 or n810?11:04
zakkmdont want to go through the hassle if its not worth it11:04
Stskeepstest it out i guess11:05
zakkmmight be worse though hah, i have no way to check11:05
zakkmguess i can hdparm before and after though11:05
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LiraNuna/var/lib/dpkg/info/tablet-gdm-autologin.postinst: 4: cannot open /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template: No such file11:12
LiraNunaanyone have a clue?11:12
LiraNunawhile configuring tablet-gdm-autologin11:12
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zakkmLiraNuna: is gdm installed?11:15
LiraNunazakkm, I just installed ubuntu-desktop11:16
zakkmLiraNuna: if not / yes... just nano -w /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template and leave a space... and then save11:16
zakkmand re"apt"" ?11:16
zakkmor dpkg --configure -a .. might do in this case11:16
LiraNunatouch /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.template11:16
zakkmor that ;p11:16
zakkmits 4;16am , about to sleep :P11:16
StskeepsLiraNuna: how tired are you right now?11:16
zakkmdo dpkg --configure -a .. it should redo the tablet-gdm configure11:17
LiraNunaStskeeps, so tired I typed a terminal command here11:17
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StskeepsLiraNuna: k - else i would tell you how to adjust the mer imager to spit out ubuntu images instead :P11:17
LiraNunaStskeeps, why? you need anything?11:17
zakkmStskeeps: what did you just say?11:18
zakkmlike in simpler words11:18
Stskeepszakkm: the imager scripts we use to create mer on n8x0 can just as well make ubuntu images.11:18
zakkmmake true ubuntu arm?11:19
zakkmthat wouldnt have the drivers and such though would it?11:19
zakkmomap kernel and all?11:20
Stskeepsmore like a simple image that doesn't take a arm and a leg and your firstborn11:20
LiraNunaand just my luck, rebooted and I got ubuntu splash stopped at ~15%11:20
zakkmLiraNuna: reboot11:20
zakkmgo back into it ;p11:20
zakkmlike just boot it again11:21
zakkmlike 2nd times a charm?11:21
LiraNunaseem to stuck at the same location11:23
LiraNunaeither that or it's doing something reeeeaaaallly heavy there11:23
zakkmyou could boot without screen i think11:23
zakkmlike the splash11:24
LiraNunaI couldn't get deblet to do it11:24
LiraNunaoh wow it continues11:24
LiraNunaI pressed the power button11:24
LiraNunaand it continues11:24
zakkmheh ;p11:24
zakkmheld it?11:24
LiraNunarapid click11:24
LiraNunaI hope it's a first time boot up thing11:25
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StskeepsLiraNuna: if you want to maintain a Ubuntu-on-N8x0 thing on OBS i can probably help you to do that11:25
zakkmubuntu makes boot caches doesnt it?11:25
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LiraNunaI'd love to, straind`11:27
zakkmgnome would probably be slow ;p11:27
LiraNunatab complete fail11:27
LiraNunazakkm, it was comparable to hildon on deblet11:27
StskeepsLiraNuna: fair enough, sign up on as starters11:27
zakkmwhats the advantage of obs?11:28
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Stskeepszakkm: no scratchbox for starters..11:28
zakkmeverything you need would be in repository though,  wont it?11:29
Stskeepsalso after seeing (need login) you start to realize how cool it is11:29
zakkmis opensuse's distro making out yet?11:30
LiraNunaI've heard Fedora are going ARM too, but I'm not a fan of RPM11:31
StskeepsLiraNuna: take a look at and see what packages are needed on top of a typical ubuntu debootstrap in addition to these to do a sane ubuntu system11:31
Stskeepsyou can probably get that from b-man's guide11:32
Stskeepsand i'll adjust the imager to work with that11:32
Stskeepsthen we can get a image that's installable with the mer installer :P11:33
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pupnik_go 4 it11:35
Stskeepsi'd have have a sane image than a bunch of people throwing themselves at the guide and miserably failing.11:36
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Stskeeps(we recently seperated the N8x0 from the Mer.)11:37
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LiraNunaStskeeps, I'm afraid to do anything... how can I 'add' a package or what should I aim for?11:40
zakkmLiraNuna: isnt apt-get possible?11:41
StskeepsLiraNuna: quite simple, add a package, adjust description, name, and add a .dsc .tar.gz and optionally .diff.gz :)11:41
zakkmohh in obs11:41
Stskeepsyou can make a "Home project"11:41 is a good starter11:41
LiraNunalong list is long11:42
LiraNuna2am, I'll look into it tomorrow11:42
LiraNunaI'd rather not wreck anything11:42
* LiraNuna loves to help11:42
Stskeepsyou can't without permissions anyway :P11:43
zakkm2am? so lucky ;P11:44
zakkmim sitting at almost 5am11:44
zakkmi should goto bed soon :D11:44
LiraNunaI wake up at 08:0011:44
LiraNunaoh wait it's weekend11:45
zakkmi wake up at 3pm everyday :P11:45
LiraNunaonce I get this working, I'll dpkg -l11:47
LiraNunaI've noticed ubuntu install useless tablet stuff such as dvd-rw-tools, so I'll be cleaning up after that11:52
Stskeepswho knows if you connect one on usb hub11:53
LiraNunawhat's the likelyhood?11:55
Macerblah.. my gf and i are having a spat11:55
zakkmLiraNuna: its ubuntu its not ubuntu tablet , and ubuntu has burning program which needs dvd-rw-tools.11:55
LiraNunazakkm, which will be removed :)11:55
Macerwomen are a pain sometimes11:56
LiraNunaat least for bloat-less nitbuntu11:56
Maceralthough putting myself in her shoes so am i :)11:56
zakkmMacer: be glad you have someone :P *is all alone*11:56
Macersometimes alone is better11:56
zakkmwell at this rate, ill never be able to find out myself ;p11:56
Maceri don't think my gf and i are going to last much longer... i give up11:56
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Macerzakkm: go talk to a girl and maybe you will find some progress11:57
zakkmhah truthfully its a long distance thing, but still leaves me alone :( like locally sort of thing11:57
Stskeepsyeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd.11:58
zakkmStskeeps: you bring inspiration to nerds everywhere :D11:58
zakkmMacer too :)11:58
zakkmalthough every tech person i know is going to be married/is married?11:59
zakkmStskeeps: how do you find time?12:00
zakkmi always see you like on here12:00
LiraNuna<Stskeeps> yeah, if i can find a fiancee, so can any nerd.12:00
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LiraNuna<- happily married nerd with geek gamer girl12:01
zakkmomg i need friends my age.12:01
zakkm*joins some teen irc channel*12:02
Stskeepsmy gf is 3 years older than me, heh12:02
zakkmnot bad12:02
LiraNunaI won't get into mine's12:02
Stskeepsand my first gf was 2 years younger12:02
zakkmLiraNuna: that statement makes it sound worse than it probably is.12:03
zakkmhow old are you guys?12:03
LiraNunaI'm 2112:03
zakkmLiraNuna: how long you been married?12:03
LiraNunazakkm, uh, 2 years...?12:03
zakkmStskeeps: 24 and 27 doesnt seem that bad12:04
LiraNunamy life's weird12:04
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zakkmim 18, and still hah no where near thinking of marriage12:04
LiraNunaplease, my life is weird, but I'm happy12:04
zakkmthe important part :P12:04
LiraNunaI don't care what society says,,12:05
zakkmabout what?12:05
LiraNunamy wife is older than me12:05
zakkmhow much so?12:05
zakkmand yet a "geek gamer" ?12:06
LiraNunadouble my age..12:06
zakkmat 42 ?12:06
zakkma gamer?12:06
LiraNunaand a coer12:06
Stskeepsheh, its first 50+ it gets awkward12:06
zakkmmaybe i keep thinking of my parents cause they are in their 50s and my dad cant watch games ( hurts his eyes too much ) and my mom pfft.. so maybe im comparing to that but a 42 year old gamer.12:07
LiraNunaso uh, Stskeeps, will a dpkg -l of a working system help12:07
zakkmnever seen12:07
zakkmwhats is l ?12:07
LiraNunalist all installed packages12:08
LiraNunaStskeeps, asuming all config files are default12:08
zakkmStskeeps:   2. n8x0: switching to fbdev instead of omapfb for now (Stskeeps)  <-- is that faster?12:08
zakkmdev as in "nightly" ?12:08
LiraNunafbdev = frame-buffer-device12:09
LiraNunanot dev[elopment]12:09
zakkmoh right pfft12:09
zakkmso tired12:09
zakkmits 5am12:09
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LiraNunaanyone knows how the N810 differs fingers from stylus?12:11
LiraNunadoes the touchscreen provide pressure sensitivity?12:12
lcukyes it does12:12
LiraNunaplease don't tell me it's closed source12:12
lcukwhere does the 810 differentiate tho?12:12
zakkmis there any way to make it super sensitive?12:12
zakkmlike screen calibration trick or something12:13
lcukzakkm, you can only play with the reported figures - if when touching your screen its not registered by the hardware, no tricks will work12:13
zakkmsoemtimes when i type though, soem keys dont get pressed12:14
zakkmand i swear i pressed them, but its like its not enough12:14
lcukwell thats exactly it12:14
lcuki have a dodgy old 810 here that is not finger sensitive at all12:14
lcuki have to press fairly hard with stylus12:14
zakkmi read on forum if you do screen calibration.. and push really hard.. it makes it more sensitive, but i dont think  i trust that hah12:15
lcuki wouldnt either12:15
lcukit might be true, but for something like that i would prefer official confirmation in documentation or somewhere12:16
zakkmi tried i had nothing to lose basically but it could easily be a placebo / didnt notice a difference12:17
zakkmLiraNuna: also, you can make it always start finger, if you dont like stylus.. btw in control panel12:17
LiraNunazakkm, yeah, I got that already. really love it12:17
zakkmLiraNuna: or vice versa12:17
LiraNunaif(finger) useFingerKeyboard(); else useStylusKeyboard();12:18
zakkmtoo tired hah12:18
LiraNunahehe, don't worry12:19
LiraNuna<- N810WE newbie12:19
RST38hheya lcuk12:30
lcukmornin RST38h \o how goes it12:30
lcukanyone know how i make grep work on multiple recursive folders12:30
* lcuk is still used to F3 search :$12:31
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LiraNunawhat do you want to search? file name or file content?12:32
RST38h"Anyone who has entered the containment zone should be watched very carefully; our data reports that most people are drawn in by the whispers, and those that aren't may be already under the Object's control and carrying out its will."12:32
mikkov_lcuk: grep -R12:32
pupnik_grep -r12:32
RST38hlcuk: Slowly12:32
lcukcontents with *.c but in quite a few folders12:32
RST38hlcuk: -r should do the job12:32
lcukexcellent :D ty12:32
RST38hor find + grep12:32
RST38h"The equipment provided to the grunts includes an explosive charge in the headset, set to trigger if they are the last one left alive in the room."12:34
lcukmmm "grep -r blah *.c" expands the * args before passing into grep tho, and doesnt find anything, leaving off the *.c just makes it hang (or its searching some folder)12:35
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lcukhow do i do the find thing? with backticks and weird stuff?12:36
RST38hblack magic12:36
RST38hgimme a moment, I will find the find+grep recipe12:36
LiraNunafind . | grep -E "*.c"12:37
LiraNunaprobably wrong though12:37
LiraNunadon't trust a coder at 3am12:37
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lcuknever trust a coder full stop12:37
RST38hfind <dire> -exec grep <keyword> {} \;12:37
LiraNunalcuk, :(12:37
lcukta guys :$12:37
* zakkm is so glad he never went further than grade 10 programming.12:38
pupnik_don't forget the \;12:38
lcuklolol busybox find doesnt know about exec, lemme see if i can jimmy it12:38
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pupnik_do we have a clean metapackage to replace busybox?12:39
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lcukyeah its called mer12:39
pupnik_LiraNuna: no12:39
LiraNunabut whoever configured it made a terrible job of colors and weird stuff12:39
LiraNunaso I won't recommend it12:39
lcukits ok, ill just make a script, theres only a few folders :$ ta for trying, but busybox one wont even accept args like needed12:40
zakkmyou can change the bash config? :P12:41
LiraNunazakkm, I know but I'm lazy12:41
LiraNunaI got spoiled by ubuntu12:41
zakkmsftp send it to your tablet?12:41
lcukok, next problem, i have heard sed will do multi file replacements12:41
lcukim gonna make the world explode by doing this, but does it "work" well?12:42
LiraNunafile name of file content12:42
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LiraNunased -i "s/replace/me/g" *12:42
lcukthat replaces what parts ?12:43
LiraNunareplaces "replace" with "me" inside any text file12:43
LiraNunased -i "s/1/2/g" filename.txt # will replace 1 with 2 for file filename.txt12:44
lcukcan i do the same with filenames?12:44
LiraNunafor filenames you'll probably have to use mv and a bash loop12:44
lcukill just do those manually :) theres only about 15 or so12:44
lcukthanks lira12:45
LiraNunait's better to invest 3 hours writing a script to do it than doing it by hand for 10 minutes12:45
lcukheh yeah, but im backing up first12:46
lcukand i just know git is gonna shout the loudest12:46
lcukthen for weeks afterwards im gonna type the wrong class prefix12:46
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zakkmits good to learn though12:48
zakkmone time had a server and for some reason when the server crashed, all users that were online would somehow still be online after crash, so would manually set it to 0, one day my friend realizes -.- we should make a script.. one line command.. did it "instantly"12:50
zakkmmysql update "useronline" "0" .... or something12:50
lcukhurrah! the backup has finished, time to destroy the source :)12:52
LiraNunagogo sudo rm -rf /12:52
zakkmLiraNuna: so mean :P12:52
lcukno need for sudo - i am root!12:52
zakkmi did that once12:52
zakkmIT WAS SO COOL :D12:52
zakkmany of you ever seen it done?12:53
LiraNunahell yeah12:53
zakkmseriously though12:53
LiraNunaicons starting to disappear12:53
zakkmfrom a terminal app12:53
LiraNunacan't find terminal12:53
LiraNunacan't find <your mom>12:53
LiraNunaif you didn't have anything in ram, you lose12:53
thuxgot .ogv file i thought it is ogg something, surprisingly tablet player didn't play that :P12:53
zakkmogg vorbis video..12:54
zakkmnice :P12:54
LiraNunaisn't .ogv theora file?12:54
zakkmits theora + video12:54
zakkmubuntu uses it mostly12:54
thuxstill open isn't it12:54
zakkmits like a alternate to mkv, but guranteed ogg12:54
LiraNunaomg ubuntu boots12:54
zakkmmplayer should play it?12:54
LiraNunaslooowly and saftly (no swap yet)12:54
zakkmmight have to goto open and select it, might not show on list instantly on its own12:55
zakkmbut it should play fine12:55
zakkmLiraNuna: swap wont help :D12:55
zakkmwell it will, but still will be slow12:55
LiraNunadeblet was faster, way faster12:55
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zakkm2nd boot is a charm :D12:56
zakkmits still creating the directories and such remember12:56
zakkmconfigs and all12:56
LiraNunaI booted it a lot of times12:56
LiraNunaI had to fix gdm and stuff12:56
zakkmwas deblet good, i was told the battery life was really bad12:57
zakkmso i never tried it12:57
LiraNunawhoever made "tablet-gdm-autologin" didn't really tried it12:57
zakkmim going between stskeeps or b-man ;p12:58
zakkmLiraNuna: b-man.12:59
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LiraNunait's badly written12:59
zakkmmaintainer of the package, so i guess made it too?12:59
LiraNunainstead of adding 3 lines to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom13:00
LiraNunait blanks /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and erases /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom13:00
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zakkmedit it and recompile ;p13:00
zakkmor rather just repackage13:00
zakkmand tell him13:01
LiraNunaI doubt it has any code in it, probably just a config script13:01
LiraNunayou just have to add 3 lines13:01
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zakkmA hack to activate autologin in Gnome13:02
zakkm11  Alters kdmrc to autologin and run Xomap correctly.13:02
LiraNunamore like erases every possible file13:02
thuxLiraNuna: have you tried mer?13:02
LiraNunathux, yes and it kept crashing no matter what I did13:03
zakkmLiraNuna: stskeeps couldnt help?13:03
LiraNunazakkm, I didn't bother with it because it seemed slow13:03
zakkmbasically like the main developer13:03
LiraNunaI will give it a try13:03
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zakkmhe just realized the newest alpha13:04
thuxi can't use mer either cause its xterm and virtual keyboard13:04
AStormStskeeps, heh, you should add some measure of automounting to Mer13:04
AStormStskeeps, and I shall write the whole buglist13:04
AStormzakkm, there is one?13:04
AStormI've 0.12 yet, how to upgrade?13:04
zakkmlike a hour old?13:04
zakkmapt-get dist-upgrade?13:05
AStormfresh newness :)13:05
zakkmapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade13:05
AStormjust doing that13:05
zakkm&& lets you write more commands , and then it does first then second when first is done13:06
AStormno upgrade here...13:06
zakkmapt-get update?13:06
AStormI did run that13:06
zakkmapt-get upgrade***13:07
AStormstill nothing to update13:07
zakkmwould make to wait then :(13:07
zakkmnone at all? when was the last time you did it?13:08
AStormweek or two ago13:08
zakkmyou have 0.12?13:08
AStormor maybe this week even13:08
AStormat least *had* before I upped it after install13:08
AStormthen there were no other upgrades13:09
AStormmaybe there's some testing repo I need13:09
zakkmupdates fast,would of thought they would appear in upgrade13:09
AStormah btw, what's the proper way to add maemo repos w/o destroying Mer?13:12
lcukphew! global renaming of a class and all subclasses and functions and references and everything complete!13:12
AStorm(for the missing binaries)13:12
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zakkmAStorm: putting it in the last line, of /etc/apt/sources.list13:12
zakkmhigher up = more priority13:12
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zakkmand just watching what your doing before you type y   / yes .. to apt-get :P13:12
AStormwhoops, misclicked13:12
StskeepsAStorm: yes, i plan to do it with powerlaunch :P13:13
Stskeepsno upgrade in 0.1213:13
zakkmStskeeps: that program crashes my maemo13:13
AStormStskeeps, neat, but I'd prefer doing it right in HAL13:13
Stskeepswe switched repos13:13
StskeepsAStorm: maybe that too13:13
AStormahhh, I thought of something like it13:13
LiraNunaI wish N810 would charge from USB13:13
zakkmStskeeps: powerlaunch breaks maemo :(13:13
AStormwhat are the new ones?13:13
AStormLiraNuna, buy the weird Nokia charger for now13:14
AStormzakkm, but not Mer, hehe13:14
zakkmStskeeps: my mer virtual machine is broken :( X wont start and X -configure doesnt help :(13:14
StskeepsAStorm: on OBS but i can't gurantee that it will upgrade directly13:14
LiraNunaAStorm, hmm?13:14
AStormat least, not more than it is right now13:14
AStormStskeeps, still, I could try13:14
AStormLiraNuna, CA-100 is the model number13:14
zakkmadd the line to sources.list last line, rather than application manager :P13:15
AStormStskeeps, maybe I should /j #mer to avoid URL spam here? or is it on wiki?13:15
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zakkmStskeeps: Segmentation fault.. but doing startx in mer VM :)13:15
LiraNunais there a combined data cable and USB power?13:15
lcuk 57 files changed, 4281 insertions(+), 4303 deletions(-)    :)13:15
StskeepsAStorm: #mer is always good for mer discussions13:16
zakkmlcuk : sounds like a huge patch file :P13:16
zakkmor diff13:16
AStormLiraNuna, hmm, no, that's impossible I guess13:16
lcukzakkm, it would be indeed13:16
AStormthe charger taxes USB already13:16
zakkmStskeeps: i find it funny how ppl talk back and forth between maemo and mer channels :P13:16
zakkmand its like the same ppl13:16
AStormI suspect it could be possible to build such a cable and a piece of software to make it work...13:17
lcukzakkm it happens all the time, not just there, you can be having one conversation about one topic in a chan and a completely different one in pm13:17
LiraNunacat #maemo #mer > #nit13:17
* lcuk scratches head13:17
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zakkmim sure at some point mer will have more devices, different ppl will be in each but for now its like the same ppl, same conversation for the most part13:18
zakkmlike #maemo is maemo + mer.. and #mer is maemo+mer13:18
lcuk#mer is the technical branch of maemo at the moment13:19
lcukthe scout party13:19
AStormnot exactly, but close :P13:19
LiraNunaI thought mer is maemo+ubuntu13:20
AStorm"maemo reconstructed"13:20
LiraNuna"we can rebuild him"13:20
zakkmLiraNuna: mer is going to be more "official" as the choice cause maemo wont update for n8x0's anymore13:21
LiraNunaI know :|13:21
AStormyes, and I suspect fremantle will be rough on start anyway, with all the UI changes13:21
AStorm(still, mer has its share of them too)13:21
zakkmi want fremantle :D13:21
zakkmmer has its share?13:21
zakkmeverything is like that at start :P13:21
LiraNunaI want the device that will run fremantle13:21
zakkmespecially with a brand new device13:21
zakkmlook at G1 + android13:22
zakkmiphone + ipod firmware did okay so cant count that but :P13:22
AStormyeah, the device is what we need13:22
zakkmits opengl that we need13:22
AStormno, you don't13:22
zakkmif my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet13:23
AStorm3D is overrated and good 2D is possible via Xv13:23
LiraNunaif N8x0 had OGL 1.1 ...13:23
zakkmyeah but the display isnt xv?13:23
lcukheh AStorm i guess you got the playtest working13:23
zakkmonly video playback + some "games"13:23
AStormlcuk, nopes13:23
AStormI'll check it now13:23
zakkmn8x0 has 2.0 i thought?13:23
lcukshame, you should :P13:23
AStormbecause Stskeeps refused to give me the new Mer repo urls ;P13:23
lcukzakkm, you have seen liqbase havent you13:23
lcukthe "new" one13:24
zakkmnew one?!?!13:24
AStormzakkm, it has nil, because we have no driver for the PowerVR chip13:24
LiraNuna<zakkm> if my n800 got opengl, i wouldnt even get the new tblet // maybe that's why nokia doesn't want to release the drivers13:24
zakkmi used it on the subway today on way to library, was going with friend13:24
LiraNunathey want us all to get the new "rx-77"13:24
zakkmi click continue reading, it goes back im like damnn iforgot memory card13:24
lcukits nowhere near finished, but its coming along really nicely :)13:24
lcukand should let people build whatever is needed with it13:24
zakkmany chance you dont mind secretly sharing the deb? :D13:24
lcukno i cant13:24
lcukits not got a deb13:24
zakkmwhy not :(13:24
zakkmi have to use liqbase so much13:25
zakkmi use it for reading :D13:25
lcukcome into #liqbase for a while and you might find the location of the playtest13:25
zakkmi got alot of textbooks to read13:25
zakkmwhats a playtest?13:25
lcukthe new framework has a playtest showing the new features13:25
LiraNunahow is liqbase4 so fast and smooth!?13:25
lcukto test and play with13:25
zakkmdevelopment 4, loll :P13:25
AStormLiraNuna, Xv, good coding, etc.13:26
zakkmyou made 4 videos? :D13:26
lcukLiraNuna, cos i started from the ground up and only added things that worked within the timeframe13:26
AStormthe trick is Xv doesn't do blending13:26
zakkmLiraNuna: the magic of having proper 2d/3d support ;p13:26
AStormso no alpha for you :P13:26
lcukwhat kind of blending?13:26
lcuki can do alhpe blending13:26
LiraNunazakkm, don't tell me liqbase got HW accel somehow13:26
lcukthe bacon in original is alpha blended13:26
AStormvia Xv, or manually?13:27
zakkmjust doesnt use cpu as much13:27
lcukalpha blending is just an alpha blit13:27
lcuknothing special13:27
lcukLiraNuna :)13:27
AStormLiraNuna, it does. It goes through video acceleration13:27
zakkmlcuk: i am so jealous13:27
AStormthe fastest 2D possible13:27
zakkmoh yeah video acceleration, not 3d though13:27
zakkmomg lcuk , gimme :D13:28
AStormwho needs 3d anyway13:28
LiraNunasomeone RE'd?13:28
AStormyou want rotating cubes?13:28
zakkm3d doesnt equal rotating cubes?13:28
LiraNuna3D means zoom13:28
LiraNuna3D means HW rotation and translation13:28
lcukliqbase has zoom13:28
AStormzoom is in liqbase already, duh13:28
LiraNuna3D means matrixes13:28
AStormXv has hardware scaling13:28
lcuki dont use it tho13:29
LiraNunaAStorm, did you RE the hardware?13:29
AStormyes, no matrix transforms, but who needs them13:29
AStormLiraNuna, yes, I did13:29
AStormXv uses hardware 2D acceleration13:29
zakkmlcuk: did you change the reading part?13:29
LiraNunaAStorm, write a linux driver... x_x13:29
AStormlinux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier13:30
zakkmxv = XVideo :P13:30
AStormused by mplayer, for example13:30
zakkmThe X video extension, often abbreviated as XVideo or Xv, is a video output mechanism for the X Window System.13:30
LiraNunathat kind of video13:30
zakkmwe need xvmc :D13:30
zakkmthen we're talking :D13:30
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lcukwhats xvmc then13:31
AStormXv + Motion Compensation13:32
LiraNuna<AStorm> linux driver? it *is* part of the X drivier // how come maemo doesn't use it?13:32
AStormunfortunately, w/o PowerVR driver, we can't have this13:32
AStormit does... but not metacity13:32
AStormuhm, not matchbox13:32
zakkmLiraNuna: it has.. nothing uses it though13:32
lcukx11 does not natively send stuff through xv13:32
AStormso no window rendering via Xv13:32
zakkmexcept mplayer and liqbase for the most part13:32
AStormuntil lcuk makes liqbase into a window manager :>13:32
zakkmand alot of things cant be vx13:33
zakkmor a whole distro out of it :D13:33
AStormsure, almost all can13:33
AStormimplement XComposite13:33
AStormthen WM can render the windows via Xv13:33
AStormnot easy still, writing a window manager13:33
lcukAStorm, you have seen the dev of liqbase, you seem to understand some of these13:34
lcukshow me how13:34
lcukill talk from liqbase end, you talk from xcomposite13:34
lcukwe will see if we can meet in the middle13:34
lcukand see if it can improve things13:34
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LiraNunawhat about Tear13:34
LiraNunacan it use it as rendering context?13:34
lcuki wouldnt like to say whether something like that would work13:35
zakkmhey lcuk: cant i just change the bash script and files to liqbase and replace /bin13:35
zakkmand then use the liqbase from menu? :P13:35
zakkmto open it?13:35
lcukbut its been in mind for a long time to use liqbase rendering principles for a browser13:35
zakkmliqbase should have a browser in it :D13:35
zakkmhtml style ;p13:36
zakkmor text13:36
lcukthe cell class has many analogs with DOM model13:36
AStormliqbase should have X in it ;)13:36
zakkmand have that old keyboard typing when you would put name... as the keyboard onscreen13:36
zakkmand then just basic type in site.. it displays the text .. not even picture support13:36
zakkmlike links.. but in liqbase with liqbase "UI"13:36
lcukanyway, no more specualtion - whichever way it worked on complex sites it wouldnt be a benefit anyway13:37
LiraNunaI'm off to bed, bye guys13:38
lcukliqbase merely works because its optimised and doesnt try to do much - if those same principles occured everywhere and sites were kept minimal then they would work even better13:38
zakkmforget apache, too bloated :P13:39
thuxtried mplayer that .ogv and got usual mplayer error Your system is too SLOW to play this!  ****13:39
zakkmthats a error?13:40
zakkmit should play it?13:40
zakkmjust very very frozen :P13:40
lcukjust skip13:40
zakkmi never knew a error existed?13:40
zakkmthux: you running from cmdline?13:40
zakkmah that might be why13:40
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pupnik_please give links/info to intel hardware trojan/exploits13:52
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lcukpupnik_, i think microsoft sells a product to do that for you14:02
pupnik_lcuk, have you tried a paint proggy on x41?14:04
pupnik_anything good for sketching?14:04
lcukpupnik, the only one i have built and used on there that does what i expect is liqbase14:05
lcukeverything else was too fiddly!14:05
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lcuki was trying to show tracy something the other night (it needed a diagram)14:05
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lcukloading up gimp and mucking about to get a simple line drawing thingy on a screen big eenough etc14:06
lcukor drawing app was similar14:06
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pupnik_anybody ever slick-up mypaint ui?14:21
pupnik_liq is not a sketch app until you add alpha brushes14:22
lcukpupnik_, its a sketch app, but alpha brushes etc come from a painting prog14:23
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pupnik_i guess one can sketch with a pen14:29
* pupnik_ is a pencil dudre14:29
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pupnik_strange free music:
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ubuntu_hi, does anyone know if there are difference amongst N800 and N810 in the basic linux distro on OS2008  ?16:46
ubuntu_for example is the X server binary different for OS 2008 on N800 and N810 ?  I am having problems with a Qt GUI app (Qt compiled using the maemo OS 2008 sdk). my binary works on the N810 but gives erratic behaviour on N80016:47
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lcukubuntu_, what do you mean "erratic"16:54
ubuntu_lcuk, for example QSimpleRichtText() which renders html style richtext to a Pixmaps gives me an empty pixmap on the N800 but works on the N810.  The Qt version is 3.3.8b, I compiled the same Qt version on a linux desktop. on the local X server it works. on a VNC session (vnc x server) it does not work16:55
thuxthopiekar: turm out that s60 putty has after all t9 support. i just didn't find it first :P16:56
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lcukubuntu_, i dunno then, i understand the 800 and 810 to be very similar under the hood, perhaps you still have other software based differences16:58
lbtQt 3.3.8 ?16:58
lbtthat's old16:58
lcukold!=bad though.16:59
ubuntu_lbt, I know but my app is a Qt3 app cannot port it to Qt4. perhaps on the N800 I have an older OS2008 build which has a bug in the X server ?16:59
lcuksounds reasonable at this point17:00
ubuntu_did OS2008 get updated from the first release ?  on the N800 I have  Version 4.2008.23-1417:01
lcukgo have a dig17:01
lcukpass, theres a whole wiki and docs out there17:01
* lcuk puts head back into code17:01
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thopiekarthux: hehe17:02
thuxgot now wlan 3g irc in my pocket thanks to s60 putty17:05
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thopiekarthux: there is a irc client for s60 called mIRGGI :)17:13
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mikkov_ubuntu_: latest version is 5.2008.43-717:23
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ubuntu_mikkov_: yes I have seen. I have an older but not sure if that will fix the bug.17:23
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ubuntu_mikkov_: just tried my Qt app on the N800 with 2008.43-7 ... still does not work :(17:25
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ubuntu_does anyone know when diablo 2008 43-7 came out ?17:43
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ubuntu_can one downgrade an OS 2008 version using the linux flasher ?17:47
ubuntu_if I use 2008.43-7 can I downgrade to 2008-36-5 ?17:47
ubuntu_Stskeeps, thanks17:48
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yergame wonders how other people will be detecting Fremantle in python18:14
keesjlike to know hardware revision?18:14
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ubuntu_do you know about future plans of nokia regarding the maemo tablets ? till when will the N810 available on sale ? are there rumours about a new tabled ? when should it come out ?18:29
z4chhubuntu_, you can get an n810 for like $22018:30
ShadowJKrumlour has it new one this year18:30
ubuntu_z4chh, yes but how long ? I remembed when the N800 became cheap after a short time it disappeared from the market18:31
ubuntu_Shadow__X: thanks. any sites with rumours about specs of the new tablet ?18:31
z4chhubuntu_, which is probably the lowest price it will get around until it becomes off the will probably come off the market when the new tablet comes around18:32
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mikkov_fremantle is the next version and that wiki page has everything what is known18:33
ubuntu_thanks guys!18:33
z4chhi doubt the demand is very high for an n810..even around these parts because everyone who might of thought of getting an n810 is saving up for the new tablet (probably)18:34
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z4chhubuntu_, i got a new n810 recently though, i love it!18:35
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lcukhey ho z4chh18:44
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thopiekar_tabletis it possible to make a alarm, when a user goes online on irc at xchat?19:48
wndthopiekar_tablet, use notify command (see /help notify)19:51
ShadowJKmakes xchat icon flash19:52
thopiekar_tabletk thx19:52
thopiekar_tabletah k19:52
thopiekar_tabletthx Shadow__X , wnd19:52
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thopiekar_tablethmm /HELP ONOTICE tells me that the command is unknown but it is listed in /help19:56
ShadowJKonotice is something different19:56
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thopiekar_tabletoh i thought it is.. o(nline)notice [notification]19:58
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penguinbaithappy rainy saturday :)20:15
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lcukpenguinbait, lovely and sunny over here20:17
penguinbaitlcuky you :)20:18
lcukindeed, was hailystormy last night but its all cleared now20:18
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lcukgah! connection between pc and router 10 foot away keeps breaking20:25
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GeneralAntillesThat's why you should've bought something that supports Tomato. :P20:25
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lcukfirst you tell me to get a router20:27
lcukthen i get one and ive got the wrong fudging one20:27
* lcuk cannot win20:27
RST38hcannot win, cannot quit, cannot find the rules20:31
GeneralAntilleslcuk, well, you didn't consult anybody on your purchasing decision, so. . . .20:31
lcuk:D fu20:31
RST38hlcuk: next time, go for a generic dlink box like di-62420:31
lcuki NEEDED one thou cos of a stupid windows thing20:31
lcukthere wont be a next time, im actively checking for a BNC port :P20:32
ShadowJKthopiekar, onotice = op notice, probably :)20:33
thopiekarah could be..20:34
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luke-jris there any way to get a rescue bootmenu mode?20:38
luke-jreg, execute /bin/sh20:38
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GeneralAntillesThat HAVA is still available on if anybody needs a TV streamer. . . .20:50
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mikkov_I'm working on Fish Fillets for tablets21:39
GAN8001Sounds tasty21:39
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* b-man registers on <-- An alternative for ITT21:40
mikkov_scrolling is now implemented so it shouldn't take too long anymore21:40
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GAN800b-man, hilarious21:41
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Stskeepsb-man: the white color makes my eyes hurt21:41
Stskeepsb-man: also there's no reason to fragment itt.21:42
GeneralAntillesb-man, those forums are way too Cartman-esque.21:42
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Stskeepsunauthorized to view21:43
Stskeepsfuck that forum.21:43
b-man? - i didn't have that problem 0.o21:43
GeneralAntilles"Screw you guys, Imma gonna go play over here."21:44
* soap will only fork his tblet-oriented eyeball time if there are free ponies involved.21:44
RST38hyou probably have to log in21:44
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StskeepsRST38h: prolly, but closed forums are so idiotic21:44
RST38hSts: I doubt PB meant it to be closed21:45
b-manit's mostly just a hacker forum :P21:45
Stskeepsb-man: and how on earth is itt not? read my post?21:45
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GeneralAntillesb-man, it's mostly just a whole lot of spite.21:47
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Stskeepsi'm personally going to boycott that forum on the grounds it was founded on a paranoid delusion and by someone who after his ridicolous views and being not able to reasoned with sane discussion has earned himself on my itt ignore21:49
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soaplinky to paranoid ranting?21:50
GeneralAntillesandre__, ping?21:50
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GeneralAntillesandre__, not important, but I'll get back to those Bugzilla templates next week whenever I get my G5 back.21:51
Stskeepsb-man: liranuna and i are building a n8x0ubuntu using OBS btw, wanna join in?21:51
LiraNunahello o/21:52
b-manshure :)21:52
Stskeepsso its always a proper up-to-date hw packages21:52
LiraNunab-man, did you make tablet-gdm-autologin?21:52
b-mani ported it from Deblet21:52
LiraNunab-man, it's broken21:52
b-manhmmm :(21:53
LiraNunait blanks out gdm.conf and makes a blank gdm.conf-custom21:53
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Stskeepsb-man: grab an account from and go to the url again21:53
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LiraNunaStskeeps, I got a working ubuntu system and I can dpkg -l; problem is my swap isn't setup so it's really slow21:55
LiraNunaand we need sound21:55
* b-man is glad to see interests in ubuntu-n8x0 again :)21:56
LiraNunab-man, nm-applet works btw; you just need to make the device managed21:56
Stskeepsk - i think b-man can help with some things21:56
Stskeepsb-man: we are going to make images instead of guide21:56
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I think the last day-to-day hurdle I'm going to bitch about is nm. :P21:56
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b-manStskeeps: allright :)21:57
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Stskeepsb-man: see too21:57
* b-man is registering21:58
LiraNunastraind`, how do the images work on the tablet? extracted to the new root?21:58
LiraNunaguh autocomplete21:58
rm_you__what about using wicd instead of nm? >_>21:59
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Meiz_n810rm_you__ takes a bunch more cpu21:59
Meiz_n810and ram21:59
rm_youdoes it?21:59
Stskeepsshite in mobile devices21:59
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, is icd2 feasible at all?21:59
rm_youi like it a lot better than NM <_<22:00
* LiraNuna loves nm-applet22:00
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: icd is nice but its ui on smth very similar to nm22:00
Stskeepsnm-applet is odd, agree22:00
rm_youah, is it because it is written in python? >_>22:01
rm_youand could it be optimized at all, I wonder? ...22:01
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: what's smth btw?22:01
* rm_you *really* dislikes NM22:01
LiraNunanm-applet uses hal, doesn't it22:01
LiraNunasame with nm-config22:01
* RST38h has no preference on which Linux wifi applet to use22:01
RST38hThey are all Linux, messy and broken by definition =)22:02
LiraNunabooo, RST38h22:02
GeneralAntillesnm makes me want to stab things22:02
GeneralAntillesSo Mer is never going to be day-to-day usable for me if nm is the only option22:02
Stskeepsoh, didn't say that22:03
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* rm_you might try to get wicd working once he gets back to WA and installs Mer correctly, and does a good bit of work on the control panel portion of ABL... >_>22:04
suihkulokkimost "nm" problems are driver problems thou22:04
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LiraNunanm-applet works in my ubuntu config22:04
suihkulokkistill, people looking at something simples should look at moblin connman22:04
GeneralAntillessuihkulokki, I hate the applet with a passion.22:04
Stskeepsconnman didnt have wpa last i saw22:05
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Meiz_n810suihkulokki: i never got connman to work22:05
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suihkulokkiright, connman is still WiP22:05
Meiz_n810it didn't scan for any networks and there was no button to start the scan22:05
Stskeepsi like connman idea though.22:05
suihkulokkibut didn't know it was _that_much_ wip :P22:05
Stskeepswork in progress22:05
suihkulokkiWork in Progress22:05
RST38hMoblin people actually called connection manager "connman"? Oh shit, where is our marketing department...22:05
LiraNunato get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf22:05
* b-man wonders how nm could be changed to function better22:05
LiraNunachange managed=false to managed=true22:06
LiraNunaworks here, really22:06
RST38hYea, it was a problem introduced in Ubuntu 8 upgrade I think22:06
b-manworks here too22:06
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: whats your main NM gripe anyway?22:06
LiraNunathere's no gnome-keyring problem too22:07
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I hate it.22:07
LiraNunait asked me for a password, and I entered a gimped one (still need to fix Fn key)22:07
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* suihkulokki uses NM with the kde3 applet which slightly suboptimal on a kde4 desktop now22:07
GeneralAntillesThe notifications are really obnoxious, the icons suck, the UI sucks, it doesn't work right.22:07
Meiz_n810LiraNuna: it feels easy now when it works, but i'm sure it wasn't easy to get it to work22:07
LiraNunaMeiz_n810, that's why I keep records of what I do22:07
LiraNunaMeiz_n810, that way I can rebuild images of Ubuntu using that Novell build thigy22:08
ShadowJKicd is awesome, it even does seamless pseudo-roaming between the different wifi access points I have, without losing connection or streaming music breaking22:08
Meiz_n810when Mer was on early stage nm-appleg didn't work, i had to use iwconfig + others22:08
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: agreed, and someone needs to hildonize ut.22:08
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ShadowJKif anyone knows how to make nm not mess up things, do tlel22:10
luke-jrthere are many reasons to dislike NM22:10
ShadowJKI haven't managed to make it work right even on my desktop that only has ethernet and nothing else22:10
LiraNunaShadowJK, mess up things? <LiraNuna> to get nm-applet working, just change /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf  <LiraNuna> change managed=false to managed=true22:10
LiraNunaworks here22:10
ShadowJKIt was a more general inquiry :)22:11
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LiraNunaoh, I'm sorry22:11
ShadowJKBut if you know how to make it not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf, or how to make it fill in the correct stuff in there, do tell :)22:11
Stskeepsicd is an option if anyone spends time on it22:11
Stskeepsbut it being nokia-closed hurts my motivation to work on it22:12
Meiz_n810only problem with NM for me currently is: when i leave my school and it disconnects it starts scanning for every minute, when i'm back home in the range of my own wlan ap it wont connect anymore before i do offline and back. it just keeps scanning once connection is lost22:12
suihkulokkithe wireless story in linux is finally getting quite good imho22:12
suihkulokkibut I'm amazed how badly the recent xorg intel driver upgrade broke things22:12
ShadowJKIt seems somewhat amazing to me how all the linux companies bash their heads together on NM, and then Nokia, which isn't exactly famous for making great software, hacks up something as awesome as icd :)22:13
GAN8001Stskeeps, that's the problem with good closed Nokia stuff . . . the differentiation argument is actually justified. :(22:13
GAN8001Maybe if we beg and plead22:13
GAN8001Go to Ari on our hands and knees.22:13
luke-jrGAN8001: non-Free can NEVER be justified22:13
RST38hGAN: Maybe if you make a human sacrifice...22:13
Stskeepsgo ahead - not a fight i want to take22:14
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RST38hluke-jr: In the eyes of a teenager, maybe22:14
luke-jrRST38h: you have that backward22:14
ShadowJKluke-jr, differentation is justified, he didn't say anything about non-free :P22:15
b-manStskeeps, LiraNuna: btw, will be taken down soon btw   :(22:15
LiraNunab-man, I can host22:15
luke-jrShadowJK: "differentiation" is being used as an excuse to make it non-Free22:15
b-manok, thanks! :D22:15
ShadowJKluke-jr, right, but that wasn't the issue :)22:16
luke-jrit was22:16
LiraNunathough I've never hosted an apt repo before22:16
mavhcit's easy to make something work for 1 device in 1 computer22:16
RST38hI think he mean crazy-Stallman-free22:16
GeneralAntillesmavhc, my issues with nm aren't driver related.22:16
RST38hI.e. he wants the source code, not just binaries22:16
lcuknon-free is ok if the devs are working overtime to help :) but once an app goes cold to allow it the chance of life it should be opened :)22:16
luke-jrRST38h: binaries are not free22:17
mavhcbut in general it only has to solve 1 problem, not everyone's problem22:17
RST38hlcuk: I don't think having the source code is sufficient22:17
suihkulokkiStallman may be unreasonable, but you need unreasonable people for change (reasonable people just adapt to current reality)22:17
b-manLiraNuna: it's just like hosting anything else, allthough you'll need to keep it up-to-date ;)22:17
lcukRST38h, no, but with just a binary its impossible22:17
lcukat least theres a chance22:17
RST38hlcuk: If nobody cares enough to continue development, the source code won't help22:17
lcukhence chance22:17
mavhcwhat you need is "non-free but with a contract that promises development or we'll make it open source"22:17
RST38hsuihkulokki: I do not want "change" brought by unreasonable people22:18
GeneralAntillessuihkulokki, you also need reasonable people to have a functioning society. ;)22:18
derfRST38h: There's a big difference between "nobody cares" and "nobody cares with money".22:18
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LiraNunab-man, I can try; I got the server+bandwidth22:18
RST38hsuihkulokki: For this road leads to Gilliam's "Brazil"22:18
ShadowJKluke-jr, oh I thought GAN was implying that the "differentiation" argument fails for most of the software, because the software isn't actually that good, not worth holding onto... But there are the exceptions where Nokia actually has impressively nice software, that they would want to hold on to :)22:18
RST38hderf: Well, I meant the former, more general definition :)22:18
mavhcthe main differentiation of the tablets is they're open source22:19
suihkulokkiRST38h: I loved the part of brazil where they billed the costs of the interrogation from the person being interrogated :)22:19
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, yes, exactly.22:19
luke-jrmavhc: the N8x0 are not22:19
ShadowJKfor icd the opensource argument is kinda silly anyway.. there's nm, and there are no big obstacles for writing a new nm or icd..22:19
RST38hsuihkulokki: AFAIK, UK actually charges convicts incarceration fees, so they weren't that far off22:20
suihkulokki"come one, the longer it gates o take information from you, the more it's going to cost you" :P22:20
Stskeepsnew nm isn't half bad. if you look at the code.22:20
LiraNunanm-applet works; I see no reason why people hate it22:20
ShadowJKmavhc, try "not tivo-ized" :)22:20
* b-man needs to wget -r his site lol22:20
luke-jryeah, I dont' care about ICD-- it's not necessary and can be trashed22:20
Stskeepsnm-applet needs polishing.22:20
mavhcwhat other similar device are you going to buy? it's the most open source that's available22:20
LiraNunaStskeeps, such as?22:20
luke-jrmavhc: SmartQ 522:20
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Stskeepson the other hand, if you look at open source -and- quality, nokia'd win :P22:21
Meiz_n810LiraNuna: i bet it have been a shitload of work to make it work on tablets. Someone please tell me if i'm correct :P22:21
suihkulokkiwhat does SmartQ use for connecting to network?22:21
luke-jrStskeeps: no, because the only real quality in Nokia's is closed22:21
mavhcluke-jr: which shop can I get it from?22:21
ShadowJKsuihkulokki, wlan, closed firmware ;)22:22
luke-jrmavhc: no idea22:22
Stskeepssuihkulokki: their original firmware uses marvell sd8686 and WICD22:22
ShadowJKare there ANY wlan chips with non-closed firmware (and no, things that "don't need" firwmare don't count)22:22
StskeepsShadowJK: i'm not sure really22:22
mavhcso not available, next!22:23
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Stskeepsmavhc: the pandora guy has them, seemingily22:23
suihkulokkithere is a open source firmware for b43 wifi cards22:23
luke-jrShadowJK: supposedly the Atheros has its "firmware" in the kernel code22:23
suihkulokkithere is just one catch22:24 doesn't _work_ yet :)22:24
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ShadowJKluke-jr, and it isn't just a char firmware[] = { 0x80, 0x80, 0xff, 0xff } etc?22:24
luke-jrShadowJK: no, it's actual C code22:24
Stskeeps as well as
* Stskeeps hugs his donated one22:24
Stskeepsthey're -excellent- hacking devices22:25
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ShadowJKluke-jr, what the hell is that doing in the kernel then... and how do they compile it for whatever CPU/microcontroller sits in the wireless chipset? :)22:25
RST38hSts: Is your gf ok with that? =)22:25
luke-jrShadowJK: there is no CPU/microcontroller in the wireless chipset, supposedly22:25
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, I think the TI ones in the next tablets are pretty close, but I'm not sure.22:25
StskeepsRST38h: after she got a 770 and that she'll have it when i'm done with it, yeah22:25
luke-jrShadowJK: it actually runs in the kernel22:25
ShadowJKI guess it's either hardcoded in the chip and not upgradeable, or in an eeprom in/near the chip then :)22:25
luke-jrShadowJK: well, the kernel stuff apparently does what most wifi chips use firmware for22:26
ShadowJK"The Broadcom wireless chip needs software, called "firmware", that runs on the wireless chip itself during operation. This firmware is copyrighted by Broadcom and it must be extracted from Broadcom's proprietary drivers"22:27
ShadowJKThat's about b43 :)22:27
ShadowJKSo at best you've got a copy of the binary firmware in the kernel somewhere22:27
RST38his it bad?22:27
ShadowJKThat depends on who you ask22:28
* suihkulokki points ShadowJK to
RST38hAs long as it is ok with Broadcom, I do not see where the problem is22:28
mavhcapparently there's a smartq 7 now22:28
Stskeepsyeah, same hw, different battery, buttons and LCD22:28
Stskeepsbut that's about that22:28
* Stskeeps has bootloader sources, kernel sources, etc :P22:29
GeneralAntillesARM11 is so 2007. :P22:29
mavhcwhat will happen when arm reach version 86?22:29
GeneralAntillesmavhc, the world will implode.22:29
b-manARM86? lol22:29
RST38hit will first have to reach 68 and 8022:29
ShadowJKRST38h, it's not redistributable, users have to extract hte firmware themselves... but even if it was, the broadcom firmware is still closed source (unless you use the one suihkulokki pasted)22:30
ShadowJKso at this count there's like... one wlan chip in the world that has open firmware available :)22:30
RST38hShadowJK: Then it is an issue that has to be resolved with Broadcom22:31
ShadowJKThis just demonstrates it's nearly impossible to make a device which satisfies everybody's idea of open :)22:31
Stskeepson the other hand, a device that's down to simply sd8686_*.bin, is kinda neat22:32
RST38hThat's not everybody's, it is RMS' absolutist idea of open22:32
mavhcproblem with RMS is he's always right, in the long run22:32
RST38hI am dead in the long run, so I do not care22:32
suihkulokkiluke-jr: the atheros chips offer a very low level interface to the wlan hardware, but that has a price -> every wlan activity wakes up cpu and pci bus -> bad from power managment pov22:33
RST38hAs to him being right, there are SO many ways the world can fuck you up, that the software becomes a miniscule, unimportant part of it22:33
suihkulokkias for my opintion.. non-free firmware is ok as long it's legally redistributable22:34
RST38hsame here22:34
* ShadowJK too22:35
suihkulokkiIt's simple too specific for the hardware in question to be useful in generic OSS context22:35
penguinbaitGA, I fixed my post, settle down ;)22:36
ShadowJKcan this "pandora guy" be trusted?...22:36
mavhcneed to get on with making osh22:36
StskeepsShadowJK: i will ask the smartq guys for a list of vendors outside china.22:36
ShadowJKplease do22:36
ShadowJKdo you know anything about the graphics in it?22:37
suihkulokkiinteresting, I recently saw a old tv manual - it came with with full schematics in case you wanted to fix it yourself22:37
ShadowJKIf I could get Xv working on it, it'd be a faster media player than N8x0 :-)22:37
StskeepsShadowJK: there's drivers for some codec stuff if you look hard enough on the web22:38
Stskeepsprobably not so legal22:38
ShadowJKsuihkulokki, heh yeah. Alot of the industrial stuff we have at work has schematics inside, it really saves time when diagnosing stuff22:38
mavhcmy bbc computer came with a circuit diagram22:38
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ShadowJKwell, Xv gives 30-50% CPU offload (depending on codec, res, bitrate, framerate of course), and it's not about implementing complex video decoding algorithms on crummy bothersome DSPs either :)22:40
lcukoffload vs which other method?22:40
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ShadowJKvs doing YUV->RGB, scale to fullscreen and dump to framebuffer22:42
ShadowJKin cpu22:42
lcukwhat if the movie is rgb?22:42
RST38his there such a thing?22:43
lcukand scaling has often been done even for native rgb (at least here) by hardware22:43
ShadowJKThen you're living in 198522:43
lcukincidentally ShadowJK even faster than xv would be using the framebuffer itself - xv has to do a whole planar conversion before sending it22:44
lcukif you can supply the yuv data pre-interleaved in the correct format then you dont need the conversion22:44
ShadowJKYeah... mplayer on N8x0 does the planar conversion itself and sends direct to the yuv framebuffer22:45
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lcukthank god for it though :D22:45
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lcuki wouldv hated doing interleaved direct pixel writes22:45
ShadowJKsts mentioned smartq5 is running dumb fb though, so that's why I asked22:45
Stskeepsat least it's not blizzard..22:46
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ShadowJKWithout some yuv->rgb acceleration it'll likely be slower than N810 for video anyway, even with the faster CPU that it has :)22:46
lcukStskeeps, using mer as a test bed, hows performance on it22:46
Stskeepslcuk: .. good, booted in 30 seconds or so22:47
GeneralAntillesI feel like we should be able to play Starcraft or something on our tablets. . . .22:47
lcukdoes that indicate better memory access only tho22:47
Stskeepslcuk: i'm not sure really22:47
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, boot time benchmarks are cute. :P22:47
Stskeepsi'll push more testing at it when we have the first straight-from-box working22:47
lcukyou need some quantitiave benchmarks22:47
ShadowJKI'm guessing it would be faster at pushing RGB pixmaps though22:48
lcukboottimes have been going up and up since the spectrum22:48
lcukwont know till its hacked about with22:48
lcukwheres the latest mer image22:49
Stskeepsin process of building22:49
Stskeepswe build everything upon a release, to make sure it's 100% consistent in terms of api and abi and so on22:50
Stskeepswe found several packages that had gone out of date cos of fremantle updates22:50
lcukunderstood totally :)22:51
lcukcan i just run an upgrade from whatever i have when you push the next one?22:51
Stskeepsno sorry :/ we're breaking things quite hard so22:52
Stskeepsbut it's for the better22:52
b-manStskeeps: btw, is mer using fremantle's matchbox wm or diablo's?  --- dum question22:52
Maceranybody here have a ps3?22:53
* b-man hasn't looked at the source for a while :P22:53
Stskeepsb-man: that's a very good question.22:54
lcukStskeeps, please dont apologise for working hard :) you are doing excellent work22:54
Stskeepsno, we don't use clutter22:54
GAN8001Stskeeps, how's the Fremantle beta stuff by the way?22:54
Macerwas wondering what kind of video filetypes a ps3 would play22:55
StskeepsGAN8001: looked at it and way too many ties to nokia-binaries22:55
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Stskeepsi'll lodge a proper bug report eventually.22:55
Macerdoes it support playing .mpg files that have been transcoded from mkv?22:55
Maceror do the files have to be .vob?22:55
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Meiz_n810Macer, you have ubuntu on it rignt?22:55
Macerit's not my ps322:55
Maceri was talkinga bout the stock ps3 firmware22:56
Maceri know it can handle divx stuff.. but i don't know what to convert to in order for it to use high def22:56
RST38hMacer: ps3 will play a proprietary Sony format which will actually be an encrypted animated gif22:56
Macerbut i have heard that they can play .vob files in high def22:56
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RST38hWith decryption keys drawn on a special pad accessory in blood22:57
lcukfrefreshed weekly isnt it22:57
RST38hlcuk: of course22:57
RST38hlcuk: everybody LOVES the subscription business model!22:57
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MacerGAN800: thanks... but it doesn't say which extnsion it should have.. but i will just give her 2 different versions23:00
Maceri'm sure mpg or vob will work on it23:00
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Macerthanks a lot though :) mkv2vob is supposed to do all the converting for you automatically23:01
Stskeepsany GTK coders in the house I can ask stupid questions for some hours?23:01
RST38hTry but can't guarantee23:01
Stskeepsi need to right-align a container (actually, the systray)23:02
Stskeeps(which in mer is not a matchbox item, but an actual gtk container)23:03
RST38ha moment23:04
RST38hinside what do you align it?23:04
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Stskeepswell, it's actually the items within the statusbar container i want to align i guess23:05
Stskeepswe have a fixed width and the items need to right-align23:05
penguinbaitGA, your ball, I got to go shopping though, be back later :)23:06
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StskeepsRST38h: nah, hmm ..23:06
RST38h gtk_container_set_focus_hadjustment23:07
RST38h gtk_container_set_focus_hadjustment(GtkContainer *,GtkAdjustment *)23:07
RST38hThe first one should point to your container23:07
RST38hThe second one is created with gtk_adjustment_new()23:08
Stskeepsyeah.. and the adjustment parameters look a bit like black magic :)23:09
RST38hWill crack these in a moment23:10
Stskeepsthere seems also to be some Alignment widget, but it may not work that well with containers?23:10
RST38hOk, I seem to know what hadjustment is23:13
RST38hIt is the min/max size of the spacer23:13
RST38hIf it does not work, insert GtkAlignemt into the container23:14
* Meiz_n810 thinks ubuntu-MID had it right aligned23:14
StskeepsMeiz_n810: what was your gallery url again?23:17
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Stskeepsevening JamieBennett23:17
JamieBennettevening Stskeeps23:18
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: oh, looking for the old one?23:18
lcukhey ho jb23:18
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah23:19
JamieBennettHi lcuk :D23:19
StskeepsMeiz_n810: looks left aligned to me23:19
Meiz_n810yes, it seems to be23:20
Meiz_n810sorry for wasting your time23:21
* Meiz_n810 should get some sleep now23:21
Stskeepsah, don't have to say sorry :)23:21
Stskeepsi just like to verify before digging in code23:21
Meiz_n810night all23:21
lcuknite meiz \o23:21
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JamieBennettlumo Not at the moment but maybe in the future23:37
JamieBennettdamn, wrong window :)23:37
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