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| thopiekar | when will be talk.maemo.org be ready? | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, Reggie is supposed to have the templates done on Sunday. | 00:18 |
| thopiekar | tomorrow? | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Supposed to. | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno when the site will launch after that. | 00:20 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr: Ah, another one who's found the fun in LD_PRELOAD :) | 01:03 |
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| luke-jr | lbt: no | 01:04 |
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| ShadowJK | luke, can you make your own gtk.so, put in a dir somewhere not in usual library search path, and load gpsdriver with LD_LIBRARY_PATH (iirc) set? | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: no need anymore | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 01:14 |
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| lbt | luke-jr: OK :) | 01:17 |
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| luke-jr | yay, think GPS is working in Gentoo now, even if far from ideal | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | (first fix is always from scratch) | 02:20 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it uses a proprietary bit | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | oh, camera app crashed the OS | 04:34 |
| pupnik | If anyone is any good at ARM assembly language or general C optimisation, this would be a very good time to chat with the dosbox devs | 04:35 |
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| pupnik | and help them test / optimise their new sound blaster emulation code for the nokias | 04:36 |
| pupnik | i.e. right now - while it's fresh in their minds | 04:36 |
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| pupnik | flag to RST38h , ssvb , lcuk , GeneralAntilles , derf | 04:38 |
| derf | Hihi. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, emulator optimizations. Likely story. :P | 04:38 |
| derf | I'm sort of wrapped up in my own work at the moment. | 04:38 |
| * pupnik is too | 04:39 | |
| pupnik | for me, it was the n810 d-pad that killed me. fine for occasional clicks, not good for continuous directional control | 04:39 |
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| derf | I just spewed out 600+ lines of (x86) asm, and now I'm trying to see if any of it works. | 04:39 |
| pupnik | wow | 04:40 |
| pupnik | when i was 17, i could make fairly big changes and sometimes compile without errors | 04:40 |
| derf | Yeah, so it's kind of important to do this while it's in my mind, too. | 04:40 |
| pupnik | in C | 04:40 |
| pupnik | yep - same dealybob | 04:40 |
| pupnik | still nice to 'see you again | 04:40 |
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| derf | Hey, almost 200 lines through before I made a mistake! | 05:20 |
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| z4chh | anyone else like how the n810 doesn't have a hump in the back like n800? ive got an n800 and don't really like that | 05:39 |
| z4chh | at least have only an n800 for one more day :) | 05:39 |
| locutus | i have a bigger aftermarket battryback, but it require a different facplate with such a hump | 05:41 |
| locutus | i rarely use it becaue of it :-( | 05:41 |
| ShadowJK | I like the bump on n800 | 05:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As do I | 05:43 |
| z4chh | ShadowJK, i can see how you can, ive also not even held an n810 before yet | 05:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a nice little grip | 05:44 |
| z4chh | maybe i will appreciate it | 05:44 |
| ShadowJK | but n810 with keyboard open is also gripppable | 05:44 |
| z4chh | does the keyboard lock in place? | 05:45 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 05:45 |
| ShadowJK | but also it creates a sort of bump on the front below the screen | 05:46 |
| ShadowJK | so it's easier to hold | 05:46 |
| z4chh | ive heard the gps is not that great, does anyone actually use it pretty regularly? | 05:47 |
| ShadowJK | I do | 05:48 |
| locutus | i find the GP in the n810 unusable | 05:48 |
| locutus | i use a external BT GPS receiver | 05:48 |
| z4chh | :\ | 05:49 |
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| z4chh | locutus, your nick a reference to star trek by chance? >.< | 05:50 |
| locutus | no | 05:50 |
| z4chh | heh jw, ive heard the name on tng before | 05:51 |
| ShadowJK | I noticed I get much better track with it in pocket if antenna faces outward instead on inward, but I guess that should have been obvious to me :) | 05:51 |
| z4chh | antenna? | 05:51 |
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| luke-jr | holding N810 is difficult w/o keyboard open | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | one-handed anyhow | 05:52 |
| ShadowJK | z4chh: gps | 05:53 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: yeah | 05:53 |
| z4chh | luke-jr, even with big hands? | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | z4chh: dunno, I don't have huge hands | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | but neither tiny either | 05:53 |
| z4chh | ahh girl hands | 05:53 |
| z4chh | jk | 05:53 |
| z4chh | ;p | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | no, my wife's hands are smaller ;) | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | kinda envy that sometimes | 05:54 |
| z4chh | how good is "Sunlight readable transreflective display" on n810? | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | eh, I can't read it in direct sunlight | 05:54 |
| z4chh | makes a lot better than n800? | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | never seen a N800 | 05:55 |
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| z4chh | ill have to do a comparison when i get my n810 | 05:55 |
| locutus | if the contrast is high, its doable in unlight | 05:55 |
| locutus | but i find it straining to read it | 05:55 |
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| ShadowJK | It's readable as long as some brightmobject isnt mirrored in the gloss of the screen | 05:56 |
| locutus | yup | 05:56 |
| z4chh | do the keys on n810 kb make click sound when pushed? | 05:56 |
| locutus | very faintly | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | you have n800? they aren't unlike the back/menu/home keys | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | the biggest usability issue is that they're very flat | 05:57 |
| z4chh | oh really? | 05:57 |
| z4chh | so comparable to my n800's buttons? | 05:58 |
| ShadowJK | so it takes lots of practice before you can feel the keys with you fingers | 05:58 |
| z4chh | it probably beats the fullscreen touch kb on n800? | 05:59 |
| ShadowJK | the n800 buttons are better | 05:59 |
| ShadowJK | yeah the it beats that imo | 05:59 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast you get better feedback from the n810 keyboard | 06:00 |
| z4chh | are you on n810 right now? | 06:00 |
| ShadowJK | plus you can actually see chat that you're replying to | 06:00 |
| ShadowJK | yeah I'm typing on n810 right now | 06:01 |
| * ShadowJK just woke up, it's sunday and I'm too lazy to get out of bed :) | 06:01 | |
| ShadowJK | i like my n800 too, it has more sensitive touchscreen, almost to the point where the fullscreen or stylus keyboard would be painless to use | 06:02 |
| ShadowJK | and browsing the web is nicer on n800 if you're just browsing | 06:02 |
| z4chh | can you type and stylus at same time o.o | 06:02 |
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| ShadowJK | what? :) | 06:03 |
| z4chh | well | 06:03 |
| z4chh | hold | 06:03 |
| z4chh | type on n810 and hold stylus sametime | 06:03 |
| z4chh | im guessing n810 kb is all thumbs | 06:03 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah all thumbs | 06:04 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm holding the device in air infront of me and typing with thumbs, when I take my right hand off the device, my left thumb rests on the keyboard, below the screen, supporting the device | 06:05 |
| ShadowJK | I don't need to drop or put away the stylus to type, but holding device one handed and typing with same hand at same time isn't easy :) | 06:06 |
| z4chh | oh so you hold the kb portion | 06:06 |
| z4chh | err | 06:07 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 06:07 |
| z4chh | what do you prefer your n800 for? | 06:08 |
| ShadowJK | web browsing, the dpad is much nicer on n800 | 06:09 |
| z4chh | use dpad to scroll? | 06:10 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 06:10 |
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| z4chh | ill probably use my n800 for media mostly..it has 32gb | 06:10 |
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| ShadowJK | and with n800 your grip is higher up relative to screen, so you can scroll through touchscreen with the thumb of hand holding device | 06:11 |
| ShadowJK | oh yeah I watch stuff on n800 too, fullsize sd for the win :) | 06:11 |
| z4chh | do you use the gps in car? | 06:13 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 06:13 |
| z4chh | how does it compare to like a 100$ garmin gps? xD | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | dunno :) | 06:14 |
| z4chh | or something similar | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | my dad has a tomtom | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | the tomtom's software is nicer than wayfinder | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | though n810 has bigger screen area | 06:15 |
| pupnik | can maemo gizmo send video calls to a PC/linux gizmo client? | 06:15 |
| pupnik | even if he has no webcam installed? | 06:15 |
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| pupnik | or do i need to turn something on to enable video-sending on gizmo.. | 06:15 |
| z4chh | thanks for the n810 experience sharing ShadowJK ...i cant wait to get mine monday | 06:17 |
| ShadowJK | as for the gps, for me when I switch it on leaving the house, walk 10m to car, put n810 on dashboard on the kickstand, take phone and wallet out of pocket, put phone in its stand and connect charger, the n810 has acquired gps fix | 06:19 |
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| ShadowJK | it's near impossible to get a first fix indoors though | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | z4chh: n810 key clicks are speaker | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I have much better success indoors getting a fix | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | well, at home anyhow | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | I know some cars have windows that dampen gps signal :( | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | and if you're just outside holding n810 with left hand like I do, you're blocking the gps antenna with your hand, which probably doesnt help :) | 06:25 |
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| ShadowJK | also, n800 has softer edges, n810 has some sharp edges that can cause pain in prolonged use :) | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | glad to know where antenna is now | 06:38 |
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| Shadow__X | i prefer holding a n810 over a n800 | 06:43 |
| Shadow__X | fits easier in my hands | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | upper left, on the back | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | behind the plastic :) | 06:44 |
| GAN800 | I hope they put a good keyboard on the next one. | 06:44 |
| pupnik | GAN800: can a maemo gizmo send video to a normal linux gizmo client (debian)? | 06:45 |
| GAN800 | Only Gizmo 4 | 06:45 |
| pupnik | i just called a dude on debian and he saw no webcam | 06:45 |
| pupnik | ahhh | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | even if it wouldnt be physically better, i hope it has programmerfriendly layout | 06:45 |
| pupnik | he probably had gizmo5 | 06:45 |
| GAN800 | Linux Gizmo doesn't support video | 06:45 |
| pupnik | uh oh ok | 06:45 |
| GAN800 | Linux and OS X have 3.x still | 06:45 |
| pupnik | wow | 06:46 |
| GAN800 | You need 4.x unfortunately | 06:46 |
| pupnik | maemo -- lightyears ahead! | 06:46 |
| pupnik | thank you General | 06:47 |
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| derf | Whee, it works. There were only 3 mistakes in the whole thing. | 07:02 |
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| pupnik | congrats | 07:06 |
| pupnik | hmm gizmo also closed source | 07:06 |
| pupnik | ok. then ekiga perhaps | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | heh, I forgot about that :x | 07:08 |
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| lopz | gn | 08:19 |
| waloo | ng | 08:19 |
| waloo | gm ! | 08:20 |
| radic | good morning | 08:21 |
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| radic | where are the configs of the apache-port? | 08:26 |
| pupnik | /etc/...? | 08:29 |
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| timeless | ping | 08:30 |
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| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ css? | 08:30 |
| waloo | css for web or css for dvd ? | 08:31 |
| timeless | web | 08:31 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | about that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad mood | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | … | 08:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | s/mood/move/ | 08:43 |
| infobot | CutMeOwnThroat meant: about that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad move | 08:43 |
| pupnik | you stole a N810? | 08:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no, zap said his was stolen somewhere in the backlog | 08:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and with gps and wireless and sshd, that could really make a handy theft-prevention... | 08:44 |
| pupnik | maybe we should make a pinger applet | 08:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I just thought making it register with dyndns on connect would be enough... but it's of course not true | 08:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I must be tired... hell, I am :) | 08:45 |
| pupnik | heh | 08:45 |
| pupnik | wonder if gpsd can be started without any gui | 08:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | guess all wireless routers NAT port 22 away.... what a pity | 08:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, it might make a blinking icon | 08:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | question is how hard it is to read out | 08:46 |
| pupnik | great idea | 08:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but that would be quite nice.... ring on the door of a hous | 08:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | eeexcuse me, but someone ere stole my N810 | 08:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but you need more than just to register with dyndns | 08:48 |
| pupnik | why do you need dyndns | 08:48 |
| pupnik | oh your own pc | 08:48 |
| pupnik | nm | 08:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no, I meant for the tablet | 08:48 |
| pupnik | i was thinking of running a service on a website | 08:48 |
| pupnik | tablet doesn't need dyndns | 08:49 |
| pupnik | it *originates* the pings | 08:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so how would you reach the tablet?s | 08:49 |
| pupnik | "phone home" | 08:49 |
| pupnik | by identifying the pings | 08:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | gps would be normally off... | 08:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so a ping would give you an ip | 08:50 |
| pupnik | hmm, no nm | 08:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | which might or might not be enough | 08:50 |
| pupnik | not for a home router setup | 08:50 |
| pupnik | only for an online host or a linux firewall | 08:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ? | 08:50 |
| pupnik | so you can make an alert and a log with the firewall/iptables | 08:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I don'3t see what you mean | 08:50 |
| pupnik | i was just thinking of initiating communications the other way around | 08:51 |
| pupnik | it could work either way, for different setups | 08:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but this way you need a permanent host on the web | 08:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm... perhaps not | 08:51 |
| pupnik | but the dyndns still would hang at the nat | 08:51 |
| pupnik | so my way is better | 08:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what would be your way exactly... | 08:51 |
| pupnik | nokia gets stolen. nokia gets turned on and hooked to internet | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: I have gpsd running w/o GUI | 08:52 |
| pupnik | nokia starts a pattern of 3 pings in a row to a host you control | 08:52 |
| pupnik | cool - thought it should work | 08:52 |
| pupnik | you get the source ip of the ping from the firewall | 08:52 |
| pupnik | you ssh into the nokia and start the gpsd script | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: nstx + GPS + webcam | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | is my idea | 08:53 |
| pupnik | wahahaha | 08:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no, you can't ssh in, because the tablet is natted | 08:53 |
| pupnik | with ID | 08:53 |
| pupnik | oh duh | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: nstx | 08:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | afaik all wireless conns are natted | 08:53 |
| pupnik | tablet has to ssh out to a host autmatically when turned on | 08:53 |
| pupnik | sorry i'm being tired and stupid | 08:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, the webcam is also a neat feature :) | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | nstx = VPN over DNS ;) | 08:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it has | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | nobody blocks DNS | 08:54 |
| pupnik | whoahhhhh | 08:54 |
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| pupnik | stop making the walls go bendy | 08:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, yeah, that'3s not bad... but you want to keep overhead low for the 99.99999% of the time it'3s not stolen, mind | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah | 08:55 |
| pupnik | you could disable it with a keycode or smth | 08:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but yeah, that WOULD work | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | so write a sane nstx | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | when no traffic, it pings once a minute | 08:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what would also work is port-forwarding | 08:55 |
| pupnik | what's the preferred way to stream n810 webcam to a *nix PC? | 08:55 |
| pupnik | you don't control the router on the theif's end | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to get info if they're at a McDonald's | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | which means DNS to bypass the pay portal | 08:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, actually I've seen pay portals who block dns | 08:56 |
| pupnik | the walls are meowling in rubber voices | 08:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: they can onyl proxy it | 08:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | they just redirect everything to their local host | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | w/o any DNS you wouldn't get their site | 08:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | until you authentify | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | and Windows has buggy DNS caches | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | so they can't do temp resolves to a diff IP | 08:57 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I actually wonder about icmp | 08:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I've seen ping blocked rather often also | 08:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I've also seen tcp blocked and udp forgotten | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | lol | 08:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | possibly because it's harder to figure incoming from reply than with tcp | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | would be funny if IPv6 worked and was unblocked | 08:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh | 08:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway - if it finds an open net, it could do ssh -t -L 22:localhost:2222 myhost or somesuch | 09:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | then one could ssh back on myhost | 09:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | via port 2222 | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | -R | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | not -L | 09:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | of course, for that it must be configured to automatically connect to any open wlan | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | yup | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | but you need Gentoo for the GPS-all-the-time anyway | 09:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ?s | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | . | 09:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you start gps over ssh | 09:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and the camera :) | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure Maemo will force the stupid red light on | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | unless it's in hardware :/ | 09:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, would he know what it means :) | 09:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I like the idea of after-theft protection | 09:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "the geek strikes back" | 09:04 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: meh | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: after upload complete, turn LCD on with pic | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | and text | 09:05 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | nah | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | "This device is stolen. Call 1-800-xxx-xxxx within 5 minutes or the police will be given your picturez!" | 09:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | just call the police | 09:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there's a reward for your trouble :) | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | identify the state the N810 is in, and record the call if legal | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 09:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | zap at least would have a hard time getting a picture if all his stuff was stolen... | 09:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | probably professionals | 09:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not using the stuff, just selling | 09:07 |
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| luke-jr | w00t | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | confirmed: Gentoo can use camera w/o red light | 09:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: professionals know to turn off devices immediately? | 09:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | they don't look into it, playing around with their new tablet | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | they don't need to | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | just stream some video | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | surely you'll see someone | 09:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not if it's in a box waiting to become a bit cooler | 09:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | gentoo, meh | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | eventually | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | battery lasts only a limited time | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | o | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | webcam uses more battery? ☺ | 09:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | wlan does | 09:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | gps does | 09:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | webcam... well, surely uses some | 09:13 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | there's no such fing as free lunf | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | why does GPS? O.o | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | it's just receiving radio waves | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | passive stuff | 09:14 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | *=shrug*= | 09:15 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thought I saw that in the n810 manual | 09:15 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I might be wrong | 09:15 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | wtf, the pdf reader doesn't have a search function | 09:16 |
| qwerty12 | Use Evince | 09:17 |
| * CutMeOwnThroat longs for xpdf | 09:17 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but yeah | 09:17 |
| timeless | pdf readers from a few years ago sucked like that | 09:17 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | bedtime, I guess | 09:18 |
| qwerty12 | CutMeOwnThroat: the default viewer seems to use xpdf source: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ ... | 09:18 |
| * timeless isn't sure if anyone actually filed a bug to fix that | 09:19 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | weird | 09:19 |
| timeless | and yes, it annoys those of us who use the app internally too | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | all the xpdf features are missing... | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | like... search, continuous view | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | timeless: according to andre, half the bugs of the default pdf viewer were marked as "fixed by evince" by the reporters... | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | xpdf sucked from my memory | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not even reread | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | heck, I don't remember a UI | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, what did it suck from your memory | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, nm | 09:20 |
| timeless | qwerty: internal or external? | 09:21 |
| qwerty12 | timeless: external | 09:21 |
| Macer | hello | 09:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you get it? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes - its in fine shape | 09:23 |
| Macer | awesome | 09:24 |
| Macer | hope it helps | 09:24 |
| Macer | ok. going to sleep | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | cya and thanks | 09:25 |
| Macer | just wanted to make sure it got into your hands | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | talking to you from it | 09:25 |
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| timeless | stskeeps: how are you w/ css? | 09:34 |
| * timeless needs some help :) | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: utter crap sadly | 09:35 |
| timeless | anyone else here? :) | 09:35 |
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| plastun | hi2ll | 09:36 |
| plastun | hmm... i use rcfile for UI customization in my app. And if i increase width of GtkHScale it looks not as big slider, it looks as double slider. Is it normal? | 09:37 |
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| * Stskeeps grabs the morning coffee and continues trying to track down why Hildon Desktop crashes with xrandr. | 09:40 | |
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| * man_in_ltop waves | 09:43 | |
| Stskeeps | morning | 09:44 |
| man_in_ltop | LIES | 09:44 |
| man_in_ltop | so, i'm wondering, how easy is it to develop for maemo? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | heh, good question | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you can read the docs it helps | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you're from a unix background where you assume things are sane, you will get frustrated :) | 09:47 |
| man_in_ltop | hmm ok | 09:47 |
| timeless | stskeeps: does mxr.maemo.org look ok? | 09:47 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 09:47 | |
| man_in_ltop | anything in particular that's insane? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: in firefox3 yeah | 09:48 |
| timeless | i'm trying to get it to match www.maemo.org | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | man_in_ltop: scratchbox in particular, but that's my own opinion | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i thought "oh, he added newstyle theming" when seeing it | 09:48 |
| man_in_ltop | ok, so what's scratchbox? :P | 09:48 |
| timeless | :) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | man_in_ltop: scratchbox is the cross-compilation environment for maemo os | 09:48 |
| man_in_ltop | ok | 09:49 |
| * Stskeeps glances at the huge build of Mer on OBS | 09:50 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: had a good trip to istanbul? | 09:50 |
| timeless | yep | 09:50 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 09:50 |
| * timeless should download photos and such | 09:50 | |
| * Stskeeps had a good trip to poland too but glad to be back home. | 09:51 | |
| plastun | man_in_ltop: hi! do tou know Python? | 09:51 |
| man_in_ltop | yes | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | tablet + a fon router really comes in handy. | 09:51 |
| man_in_ltop | :) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | next time around i should flash my tablet with RNDIS kernel so i can hook it up via USB to XP machines though. | 09:51 |
| plastun | than scratchbox dont need you | 09:51 |
| man_in_ltop | hehe | 09:52 |
| man_in_ltop | i'm thinking about porting nethack :P | 09:52 |
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| man_in_ltop | unsure if a nethack gui can be written in python :) | 09:55 |
| keesj | there already are some nethackak ports | 09:57 |
| man_in_ltop | i saw "crawl" in the apps list | 09:58 |
| man_in_ltop | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/nethack/ << ah | 09:58 |
| man_in_ltop | that looks quite nice | 09:58 |
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| qwerty12 | "run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:'com.nokia.mce' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'com.nokia.mce.request' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'3'" to lock the tablet remotely BTW. Took me fucking 20 mins and looking through leaked sources to come up with that | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | yay mce | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | you locked your tablet accidentially? :P | 10:03 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, I'm porting anyremote and one of its script has a locking feature where it locks the tablet when the phone disappears so I'm replacing its usage of the KDE locker with the Maemo one | 10:03 |
| man_in_ltop | ok | 10:04 |
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| man_in_ltop | so ... are there any docs/tutorials on developing python apps for maemo? :D | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html | 10:07 |
| man_in_ltop | ty | 10:08 |
| keesj | qwerty12 did you know the existance of dbus-monitor --system | 10:09 |
| qwerty12 | keesj: I know, but it doesn't work for the request method - I only get a signal which is useless to me | 10:10 |
| keesj | still 20 minutes to get anything out of dbus is fast! | 10:13 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 10:15 |
| qwerty12 | I can't see a method to unlock it, I really don't want to have to resort to "/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart" | 10:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Doh, the same command but with _close instead works >.< | 10:18 |
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| man_in_ltop | hmm | 10:27 |
| man_in_ltop | i really wish nokia had supplied a m/f micro usb adapter instead of a m/m micro-usb to usb-a cable | 10:28 |
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| man_in_ltop | on the plus side, YAY vim | 10:33 |
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| ShadowJK | usb-a female-female adapters are easy enough to find | 10:35 |
| man_in_ltop | maybe | 10:35 |
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| man_in_ltop | but i don't have any here :D | 10:35 |
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| man_in_ltop | http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PA0921 << not exactly the cheapest device either | 10:37 |
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| * RST38h moos | 10:40 | |
| ShadowJK | compare with powered usb hub :) | 10:40 |
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| thux | morning | 10:43 |
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| man_in_ltop | meh | 10:46 |
| man_in_ltop | powered usb hub costs what, au$15 or so | 10:46 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 10:47 |
| ShadowJK | i found my f-f adapter for <1e in a local shop | 10:47 |
| ShadowJK | but hub was 20 without powersupply :/ | 10:48 |
| man_in_ltop | nice | 10:48 |
| man_in_ltop | mail me one! | 10:48 |
| man_in_ltop | i'm in .au :P | 10:48 |
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| ShadowJK | I could fax it ;) | 10:49 |
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| man_in_ltop | yay | 10:50 |
| lcuk_9finger | mornin | 10:50 |
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| man_in_ltop | hmm | 11:02 |
| man_in_ltop | just installed ssh server on my n810 | 11:02 |
| man_in_ltop | what's the password for user? :) | 11:02 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk | 11:02 |
| * lcuk_9finger tries to wave | 11:03 | |
| Corsac | hmhm, has someone used geoportail tiles with maemo mapper? | 11:03 |
| lcuk_9finger | not me sorry | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:21 |
| timeless | hello | 11:21 |
| * timeless is doing house cleaning | 11:21 | |
| lcuk_9finger | mornin jaffa \o | 11:22 |
| * Stskeeps is fixing weird hildon desktop bugs | 11:22 | |
| Stskeeps | first time in 12 months i've -really- had to sit down with gdb and find a problem, heh | 11:22 |
| konttori | Hey, is there a python API for creating fremantle home screen applets? | 11:23 |
| lcuk_9finger | i would like to fix bugs, but i can barely type | 11:23 |
| * timeless cries | 11:23 | |
| * timeless screwed up | 11:24 | |
| lcuk_9finger | u cleaned the wrong house? | 11:24 |
| timeless | stskeeps: ping | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | pong :P | 11:24 |
| timeless | do you have a cached copy of my pages? | 11:24 |
| timeless | i need a page from cache | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | which per chance? | 11:24 |
| timeless | site.css | 11:24 |
| konttori | timeless: is there some gecko canvas widget available in fremantle? | 11:25 |
| timeless | possibly /style/site.css or /something/site.css | 11:25 |
| timeless | konttori: i'm pretty sure it is | 11:25 |
| konttori | That I could use if I want to create a web runtime homescreen applet | 11:25 |
| konttori | ah. cool. | 11:25 |
| konttori | Hmm... Is that available on the alpha sdk already? /me googles | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: gah, firefox cache is unreadable to the human eye | 11:26 |
| timeless | i think we weren't supposed to push a browser for alpha | 11:26 |
| timeless | stskeeps: about:cache | 11:26 |
| timeless | it's probably in 'disk' instead of 'memory' | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | want a hexdump? :P | 11:26 |
| timeless | pastebin it? | 11:27 |
| timeless | i'll live :) | 11:27 |
| timeless | it's better than rewriting from scratch, and i have text editors which can help | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/zjwi5898.html | 11:27 |
| timeless | hrm | 11:27 |
| timeless | actually | 11:27 |
| * timeless puzzles | 11:27 | |
| Stskeeps | you can probably perl up something that goes hexdump -> file ;) | 11:28 |
| lcuk_9finger | heh u werent expecting quite that drastic lol | 11:28 |
| timeless | ok, something *else* is wrong | 11:28 |
| * timeless gets confusd | 11:28 | |
| lcuk_9finger | mornin konttori | 11:28 |
| konttori | 9 finger? | 11:28 |
| timeless | oh, i'm stupid :) | 11:29 |
| timeless | ok | 11:29 |
| timeless | oh cute | 11:29 |
| timeless | i have a file here... | 11:29 |
| timeless | but it isn't managed by hg | 11:29 |
| timeless | well... that's a clever solution | 11:29 |
| lcuk_9finger | konttori: you are not listed over there >>> pm me pls | 11:31 |
| timeless | oh well | 11:32 |
| timeless | jaffa/konttori: mxr.maemo.org got a visual refresh | 11:32 |
| timeless | i might try to give it a content refresh this week | 11:32 |
| Jaffa | timeless: cool | 11:32 |
| timeless | it depends on how much time i lose rebuilding the 5 or so computers i need to rebuild atm | 11:32 |
| konttori | timeless: cool | 11:32 |
| timeless | a friend's Vista laptop, my mac laptop, my work desktop, some vms | 11:33 |
| timeless | plus whatever work comes around | 11:33 |
| * Jaffa should get dressed and look after the kids | 11:33 | |
| timeless | could someone please look through it and give me some comments? | 11:33 |
| timeless | it does feel better than the old layout | 11:33 |
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| timeless | there are basically 10 pages in mxr: /, /tree, /tree/{diff,ident,search,find}, /tree/source/dir, /tree/source/file, /tree/search-help.html | 11:34 |
| timeless | well, that's 9, it's probably i've missed one :) | 11:34 |
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| timeless | btw, is http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2007/install_button_small.png going to get a refresh? | 11:37 |
| timeless | it looks bad when people include it into planet.maemo.org :) | 11:37 |
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| zeenix | timeless: somehow the new planet.maemo.org doesn't render nicely on my iceweasel :( | 11:38 |
| lcuk_9finger | timeless: people are starting to look at fremantle sdk, is it possible to include it in your mxr? | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, nailed the bug! | 11:38 |
| lcuk_9finger | crap, gotta go | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | timeless: it's been replaced with http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/icons/application_install.png | 11:39 |
| timeless | lcuk: it's on my todolist | 11:39 |
| lcuk_9finger | watch your fingers when hammering | 11:39 |
| * man_in_ltop hands Stskeeps a hammer to nail it on the head | 11:39 | |
| lcuk_9finger | cool timeless | 11:39 |
| timeless | qwerty12: but people have hard coded it into their blogs | 11:39 |
| timeless | and the rss is syndicated... | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | timeless: ahh :/ | 11:39 |
| lcuk_9finger | timeless: replace the file itself | 11:39 |
| lcuk_9finger | anyway, back to the uk for me | 11:40 |
| timeless | lcuk: not my file :) | 11:40 |
| lcuk_9finger | konttori: cya later | 11:40 |
| lcuk_9finger | \o folks | 11:40 |
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| * timeless chuckles | 11:43 | |
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| timeless | someone wanna tell SebaSOFT that using the alias 'SebaSOFT' for a bug isn't proper use of that field? :) | 11:44 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:45 | |
| timeless | 503 is depressing | 11:45 |
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| lbt | ~root | 11:50 |
| infobot | somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 11:50 |
| lbt | ~getroot | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | rootsh? | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | ~root-access | 11:52 |
| infobot | i guess root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 11:52 |
| lbt | that's the one :) | 11:53 |
| lbt | I have some guy who can't get qt installed on his tablet emailing me | 11:53 |
| lbt | mentioned Gronmayer | 11:54 |
| lbt | which is some kind of mirror I guess | 11:54 |
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| lbt | hmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc" | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly | 11:56 |
| lbt | yeah, I think it needs pointers to a windows + linux client and a few brief comments on connecting and saying "hi" | 11:58 |
| timeless | it's linked from http://maemo.org/community/ :) | 11:58 |
| timeless | nah | 11:58 |
| timeless | mibit | 11:58 |
| lbt | OK | 11:58 |
| timeless | http://www.mibbit.com/ | 11:58 |
| timeless | someone could even try to make mibbit fit into maemo if they like | 11:59 |
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| timeless | ok, i've sealed my branding changes | 11:59 |
| timeless | someone should ping me when the 'beta' bit drops of if they have any issues they care about | 11:59 |
| timeless | and i really will try to get the sdk pushed | 11:59 |
| timeless | but ... gah | 11:59 |
| lbt | hmm, wondering if I could make a mibbit tinyurl or something | 11:59 |
| mib_29xvwci0 | hello me | 12:00 |
| lbt | hi | 12:00 |
| timeless | anyone here wanna help me rescue a wVista laptop that does'nt boot? :) | 12:00 |
| lbt | sure, I have a debian installer iso | 12:00 |
| * timeless rotfl | 12:00 | |
| timeless | http://widget.mibbit.com/manager/ | 12:00 |
| lbt | sorry though - I've not even seen vista :) | 12:00 |
| timeless | 21.111) has joined channel #opensolaris | 12:00 |
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| timeless | +#maemo | 12:00 |
| timeless | <lbt:#maemo> hmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc" | 12:00 |
| timeless | *** Signoff: zac ("Leaving.") | 12:01 |
| timeless | <qwerty12:#maemo> http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly | 12:01 |
| timeless | Look. It's 2008. Each time you visit without javascript, another frog dies (It's automatic - wires from webserver to frog electricution chair. Took me 3 weeks to wire that). YOU are responsible. How does that make you feel? hmm? Save frogs. Enable javascript. | 12:01 |
| timeless | )2009 Mibbit (tm) | 12:01 |
| * lbt slowly steps away from the keyboard | 12:02 | |
| timeless | http://widget.mibbit.com/manager/ | 12:03 |
| timeless | would help you setup a widget.. | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: gronmayer is a search engine for repositories | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | usually it means trouble when someone mentions custom repos :P | 12:03 |
| lbt | yes... but I'm no good at user support via email - just don't have the maemo user background :) So if I drag him here then I can throw you lot at him :) | 12:04 |
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| mib_b9spjq | hi | 12:09 |
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| mib_lbt | hi | 12:33 |
| mib_lbt | could someone visit http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC and try the mibbit link | 12:33 |
| mib_lbt | make sure it works (in case it's using cookies for me) | 12:34 |
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| qwerty12 | I guess so | 12:35 |
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| lbt | cool | 12:35 |
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| man_in_ltop | hmmm | 12:36 |
| lbt | mmmmh | 12:37 |
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| RST38h | MOO? | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | m00. | 13:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: hola) | 13:15 |
| RST38h | heya wazd, Sts | 13:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: some guy from itt wants larger-than-buttons sensitive areas in ati85 | 13:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: you think this will fly? I am kinda sceptical, there will be too many false clicks IHO | 13:17 |
| RST38h | s/IHO/IMHO | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it can be hard to hit with a stylus sometimes | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | if they're too small | 13:18 |
| * Stskeeps has problems with links. | 13:18 | |
| * RST38h also has problems with links but the ati85 buttons are way bigger than that | 13:18 | |
| wazd | RST38h: well, in fact you have larger-than-buttons zones in calc selector and I had no false clicks with it | 13:19 |
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| RST38h | wazd: calc buttons are smaller and more tightly packed | 13:20 |
| RST38h | going to let this guy come up with his own sensitive area map and try it out =) | 13:21 |
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| wazd | RST38h: good idea :D | 13:21 |
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| wazd | I'm heading to St-Petersburg today, to the FRUCT conference | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ooh, good luck :) | 13:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: thats way I'm outa development now, was making a presentation :) | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: Good luck, do not drink too hard =) | 13:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, I've never been there and I have a lot of comrads so it would be extremely difficult not to :) | 13:28 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly what to do to fix the problem with his tablet. | 13:33 | |
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| Stskeeps | hm | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | looks like thereÃ's a small cut in the LCD connector | 13:36 |
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| wazd | Can anyone tell me where hildon icons are held in maemo? | 14:23 |
| wazd | usr/share/icons? | 14:23 |
| wazd | oh yep, I was right :) | 14:24 |
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| ShadowJK | sts: conductive glue? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: not sure | 14:32 |
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| ShadowJK | and how does the unmovable n800 cable develop a cut? :) | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea. and it isn't that unmovable. | 14:36 |
| ShadowJK | and what were the serious n800 quality issues that the former nokian on itt spoke of | 14:36 |
| ShadowJK | I mean I could understand it on n810 when the screen slides up and all... | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but if you look inside the n800, it isn't -that- firmly held together | 14:37 |
| * ShadowJK shakes his and listens | 14:37 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:37 |
| ShadowJK | that service manual was awesome to read, gives you a new appreciation for the devices :) | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | i still wonder if the thing actually has a vibrator in it | 14:39 |
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| ShadowJK | the wlan test box is both hilarious and awesome at the same time | 14:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Like, from the pictures it appears to be a d-link consumer wireless ap, in its plastic casing, with a few modules daisy chained to its antenna output, probably signal dampers, and this all put inside a milled aluminium box with insanely thick walls | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | and a grid on the outside of box to align the device on | 14:41 |
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| ShadowJK | unfortunately it didn't answer what i was looking for: acceptable sensitivity level of touch layer | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | schematics? :P | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | atleast wiring schematics for alot of things | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | and troubleshooters | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | if you find some good reason why my display is scrolling, do say :P | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | image is black -> is the lens dirty? -> clean the lens | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | i have tried to fasten the connector | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | reason: you treated it badly :p | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's maybe true | 14:46 |
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| ShadowJK | a moving noncurrupt picture was not in any of the troubleshooters :( | 14:46 |
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| * ShadowJK isn't a hw guy :-( | 14:55 | |
| ShadowJK | omap gives clock signal to the display controller, i guess that makes sense | 14:57 |
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| ShadowJK | this jpeg in pdf isnt good enough to see :) | 15:01 |
| mib_u3gsbv | Hi everybody. I'm new on irc. I have a problem with my n810, look here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=282077#post282077 | 15:01 |
| mib_u3gsbv | Thanks | 15:01 |
| lbt | ~flash | 15:02 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap | 15:02 |
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| ShadowJK | sts: does wlan and bluetooth work normally on it? | 15:02 |
| lbt | nope | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: 100% | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | just screen acting up | 15:02 |
| mib_u3gsbv | ? | 15:02 |
| lbt | mib_u3gsbv: are you luke? | 15:03 |
| mib_u3gsbv | yes,I am | 15:03 |
| lbt | thought so :) | 15:03 |
| lbt | I only created that mibbit thing this morning and you're the only one I've told | 15:03 |
| mib_u3gsbv | I understand..hehe | 15:04 |
| lbt | have you seen : http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:04 |
| mib_u3gsbv | yes,I followed that doc. | 15:05 |
| mib_u3gsbv | but it doesn't worked | 15:06 |
| mib_u3gsbv | are you david? | 15:06 |
| lbt | yes | 15:06 |
| lbt | but I'm a linux guy and I don't even have a windows PC :( | 15:06 |
| lbt | so I'm not much help at this kind of thing | 15:07 |
| mib_u3gsbv | oh, i understand | 15:07 |
| mib_u3gsbv | so, i'm asking you two other things: | 15:07 |
| lbt | flashing should sort out any issues installing Qt though | 15:07 |
| lbt | sure... | 15:07 |
| mib_u3gsbv | 1. I'm a windows user and as you probably know in windows if you install and unistall lot of apps you'll have a very slow pc, so you have to clean your registry or "re-flash" your pc | 15:08 |
| lopz | hi | 15:08 |
| mib_u3gsbv | is the same for linus (& maemo)? | 15:08 |
| mib_u3gsbv | *linux | 15:09 |
| lbt | not quite.... | 15:09 |
| lbt | but since everything is free | 15:09 |
| lbt | you can end up "tasting" lots and lots of things | 15:09 |
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| lbt | also Maemo had a problem with lots of various repositories | 15:10 |
| lbt | and that caused issues too | 15:10 |
| lbt | Once you've done the tasting thing though it's usually very easy to "clean up" | 15:10 |
| lbt | without starting from scratch | 15:10 |
| lbt | I won't even re-install when I change my motherboard and CPU | 15:11 |
| mib_u3gsbv | I was trying to re-flash my n810 because I had some problems (one of theme is about Shopper, as you know). Was it a bad idea? | 15:11 |
| lbt | no | 15:11 |
| lbt | it makes sense | 15:11 |
| lbt | especially if you're new to linux | 15:11 |
| thopiekar | does someone know why maemo-mapper's gps isn't working under os2006 on a N770? | 15:12 |
| thopiekar | the person, who has that problem removed already the .maemo-mapper-folder in /home/user.. | 15:12 |
| lbt | mib_u3gsbv: do hang around a while - there'll be lots more people on who can help you get the reflash going | 15:14 |
| lbt | it's almost impossible to hurt your tablet | 15:14 |
| mib_u3gsbv | oh, i understand | 15:14 |
| lbt | cool - you never know :) | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: oh, it's easy, but only if you do it really really intentionally | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:14 |
| mib_u3gsbv | so, it's more important to try to solve my n810 problems, instead trying to reflash it | 15:15 |
| mib_u3gsbv | is it right? | 15:15 |
| lbt | well, if you haven't started to reflash | 15:15 |
| lbt | and it's working well otherwise | 15:16 |
| lbt | then it should be fixable | 15:16 |
| mib_u3gsbv | ok, so, shopper: I did what you said me, but actually nothing changed | 15:17 |
| lbt | I know | 15:17 |
| lbt | I think you are looking at the wrong repositories | 15:17 |
| lbt | since the qt you mentioned: | 15:17 |
| lbt | (=4.5.0-1maemo0) | 15:17 |
| lbt | got updated to =4.5.0-1maemo1 a few days ago | 15:18 |
| mib_u3gsbv | but where can i found the right repositories? the only place I know is gronmayer | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | you only need one, really | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 15:18 |
| infobot | hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 15:18 |
| mib_u3gsbv | there is yet extras | 15:18 |
| mib_u3gsbv | I'm here with my tablet, I'm trying another time to install shopper | 15:18 |
| lbt | do you have root access? | 15:19 |
| mib_u3gsbv | (I updated some hours ago all the repo using x term as you said me (apt-get update) | 15:19 |
| mib_u3gsbv | yes | 15:19 |
| mib_u3gsbv | Now, should I try by app manager or x term? | 15:19 |
| lbt | and as root you can run apt-get install shopper | 15:19 |
| lbt | x-term may help get more feedback | 15:19 |
| mib_u3gsbv | ok, i try | 15:20 |
| thopiekar | btw. xterm: why is osso_xterm unable to open my example app: cmatrix? | 15:20 |
| thopiekar | isn't it a full featured xterm? | 15:20 |
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| thopiekar | I uploaded cmartix to extras-devel while screencasting and uploaded it to youtube as a example for building apps into extras-devel with maemoSDK(-CE [vm]) for the german n800.de forum.. | 15:23 |
| thopiekar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zxIJialMuc | 15:23 |
| mib_u3gsbv | Ok, it says me that all the dependencies are going to be installed, but then it says E:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install' | 15:24 |
| lbt | ok try that | 15:24 |
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| thopiekar | mib_u3gsbv: if you are familar in german try the clip :D | 15:25 |
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| lbt | lunch now... back l8r.... you may also want to try : apt-get install libqtgui4 | 15:26 |
| mib_u3gsbv | ok, i try | 15:29 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: wouldnt plain step by step text instructions be more useful? | 15:30 |
| mib_u3gsbv | E:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install' | 15:30 |
| thopiekar | RST38h: the clip is the first one and I'm sure that I will change from gnome to xfce because of it's size.. | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | the download ist now about 2,6GB big.. | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | thats to big to share it via bt with 50kbit/s upload.. | 15:32 |
| thopiekar | so the clip will be not very long useful.. | 15:33 |
| thopiekar | it's just a little and short preview how to package to extras-devel.. | 15:33 |
| thopiekar | :) | 15:33 |
| mib_u3gsbv | Ok, for now thanks. Bye. See u later | 15:35 |
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| thux | my midori save as doesn't work and haven't got clue why | 15:37 |
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| thopiekar | thux: on ssl-connections? mine is crashing, too.. | 15:51 |
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| thux | thopiekar: i cannot save any file with midori | 15:55 |
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| lbt | mib_7b3in1: did apt-get install libqtgui4 give the same problems? | 16:23 |
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| ro3 | Hi, just wondering when i try to use n770 (running n800 maemo..not that it matters for the problem) plugged into the AUX port in my car, the audio needs to be turned all the way up and there's a hiss/distortion. I tried to look on the forums - but no one seemed to have a definitive solution. Any ideas - is it something with mediaplayer itself? | 16:28 |
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| lbt | The new wiki seems to have lost the 'breadcrumb' menu for subsections... eg http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/About | 16:44 |
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| yerga | I think I broke the extras-devel Packages.gz file | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | ow :P | 16:55 |
| lbt | yerga: could that explain why users are getting apt-get issues with libqtgui4 etc? | 16:56 |
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| yerga | if it was in the last 2 hours could be | 16:56 |
| yerga | the problem is the Packages.gz is bad compressed | 16:57 |
| lbt | no, since yesterday | 16:57 |
| lbt | OK NP :) | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: happen to know if opensolaris can do acpi suspend? | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, you want me to have a go at integrating mxr a lightly more tightly layout-wise? | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, and welcome back. Glad to hear you had a nice trip. :) | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting to see the first real ARM netbooks being ARM11 | 17:56 |
| thux | GeneralAntilles: is there arm netbook? | 17:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thux, nothing really released at the moment (unless you go back a few years). | 17:59 |
| thux | ok | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the Chinese manufacturers that seem to be announcing them are usually ARM11 | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Touchbook is probably the one closest to a real release. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although it's not really a netbook. | 17:59 |
| thux | always wondered why not omap netbooks | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The prototypes I've seen have usually been using Freescale stuff. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | TI has the OMAP chips for it. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd LOVE to see an OMAP3440 or OMAP3640 in a netbook. | 18:00 |
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| thux | yes | 18:01 |
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| thux | x86 atom isn't very nice | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | What bothers me most about my Mini 9 is that no matter what I'm doing with it, the battery life doesn't vary very much. | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm used to being able to leave my N800 on a table for 2 days without issue. | 18:03 |
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| * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 18:07 | |
| ENTERANICK | hi | 18:08 |
| ENTERANICK | !list | 18:10 |
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| jaska | whiskey tango foxtrot | 18:10 |
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| thux | what was that? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | drivebyspam | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | That's why we have controls server side. ;) | 18:12 |
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| yerga | if at least was porn spam | 18:14 |
| yerga | but not luck | 18:14 |
| yerga | extras-devel seems fixed :) | 18:14 |
| Corsac | hmmh, there was a maemo mapper developper around here at some point, wasn't there? | 18:15 |
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| keesj | So who played with qt4 on the sdk? | 18:18 |
| woglinde | I am playing with qt4 | 18:18 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, even with proj installed, request to %.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f gives 0,000000,0,000000,0,000000,0,000000 | 18:20 |
| Corsac | not sure how to tell maemo mapper to use proj, or something like that | 18:20 |
| Corsac | not sure I have the correct proj version either | 18:21 |
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| lbt | me too | 18:22 |
| lbt | (qt4) | 18:22 |
| keesj | woglinde cool , what kind of stuff did you do? | 18:22 |
| woglinde | ported qtnx | 18:22 |
| woglinde | but that was not too hard | 18:23 |
| keesj | I have just been playing around looking at the usr/lib/qt4/examples | 18:23 |
| woglinde | now I am teaching openembedded to build qt4 X11 with the gles libs | 18:23 |
| lbt | I really want to find out what I need to do to get the fingerscrolling in | 18:23 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 18:24 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: PING | 18:24 |
| lbt | hi thopiekar | 18:24 |
| thopiekar | hi lbt :) | 18:24 |
| keesj | woglinde: does qtnx work well on the tablets? | 18:25 |
| woglinde | kessj with some tweaking on the server side yes | 18:25 |
| woglinde | hm oh wait | 18:25 |
| woglinde | qtnx works very well | 18:25 |
| woglinde | the nx stuff needed some tweaking on the serverside | 18:26 |
| woglinde | qtnx only collects to options to start nxproxy and ssh | 18:26 |
| keesj | ok , I see | 18:26 |
| keesj | is usr/lib/qt4/examples/opengl/hellogl_es2 supposed to work? | 18:27 |
| woglinde | keesj only on fremantle | 18:27 |
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| woglinde | for the n800 and n810 the gles lib not yet available | 18:27 |
| keesj | I am on sbox-FREMANTLE_X86 | 18:27 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 18:27 |
| woglinde | you need the pc emulation libs for this | 18:28 |
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| woglinde | mom I will paste the blog entry from kate | 18:28 |
| keesj | I think I already did that | 18:28 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 18:29 |
| keesj | http://www.paste-it.net/public/x864781/ (core dump) | 18:29 |
| keesj | the the most of the qtdemo's work but I don't know if they use opengl .. | 18:29 |
| woglinde | you can find out with ldd | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 18:30 |
| woglinde | ldd shows the libs against the exe is linked | 18:30 |
| woglinde | if you seed libQtGl | 18:30 |
| thopiekar | is libxaw a important lib for the os? | 18:30 |
| woglinde | thopiekar hm not so impoartant as lib-x11 | 18:30 |
| thopiekar | I wanted to install xterm on my tablet but libxaw is needed. | 18:30 |
| woglinde | keesj I had segfaults here too with the pc emulation | 18:31 |
| thopiekar | so I made a package from ubuntu'S apt-get source and I going to upload it to extras-devel, but I'm not sure that it will make other builds corrupted.. | 18:31 |
| thopiekar | it wouldn't be the first time that I make others work down.. don't know how to explain that :P | 18:32 |
| * Stskeeps hands thopiekar matches | 18:33 | |
| keesj | the affine program for example works like a charm | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: just install roxterm instead. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | posting libxaw will cause havoc, probably | 18:33 |
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| thopiekar | k | 18:33 |
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| thopiekar | same with roxterm | 18:34 |
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| thopiekar | -.-' someone is calling me again on ekiga.net.. | 18:36 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: I have nokia repos, extras, extras-devel , diablo-tools and browser extras enabled on my tablet.. | 18:37 |
| thopiekar | there is another repo called sdk on my sb1.. is that where my sb1 is downloading libxaw? | 18:37 |
| thopiekar | in sb1 cmatrix is working.. | 18:38 |
| thopiekar | but thats some kind of remote xterm-shell which osso_xterm isn't.. | 18:38 |
| thopiekar | the app cmatrix says that it needs xterm to view the matrix ( :P ).. | 18:40 |
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| Corsac | mhmh, I fucked my maemo config | 19:02 |
| Corsac | maemo mapper | 19:02 |
| Corsac | now it segfaults at startup | 19:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's unpleasant. E71x requires $30 PDA data plan. | 19:05 |
| woglinde | pda data plan? | 19:06 |
| woglinde | whats this? | 19:06 |
| timeless | hello world | 19:08 |
| timeless | can i encourage people to consider trying to improve Maemo? | 19:08 |
| thopiekar | hi timeless | 19:08 |
| woglinde | hi timeless | 19:08 |
| woglinde | timeles lol | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: do like i do, a shadow project to improve maemo and spread it :P | 19:08 |
| thopiekar | :D | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, as opposed to the $15/mo data plan I have with AT&T now. | 19:09 |
| woglinde | ga ah okay now I remeber this us shit | 19:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, get us some hardware. :P | 19:10 |
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| woglinde | /set a new topic tomorrow 1200 utc is long gone | 19:13 |
| torkiano | hello, can anyone reproduce this bug?https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557. I can't | 19:13 |
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| woglinde | hm oh | 19:13 |
| woglinde | everybody can set topic | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | torkiano: i've experienced it raising windows out of spite | 19:14 |
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| torkiano | what version of maemo do you use? | 19:15 |
| torkiano | Stskeeps, ? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | diablo, latest | 19:16 |
| torkiano | ok, I'll change the affected maemo version, thank you | 19:16 |
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| keesj | timeless: are you following fennec? | 19:37 |
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| ShadowJK | torkiano, Yes I can reproduce that bug on latest diablo | 19:39 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok, i think my crappy python app is about done :P | 19:40 |
| man_in_ltop | only thing left is some pop-up menus | 19:40 |
| torkiano | ShadowJK, thank you for test ;) | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | It's one of the most annoying bugs I encounter in day to day use :) | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | but I managed to reduce it a little bit with a LD_PRELOAD hack | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | It's not exactly an uncommon bug with things originating from mozilla, fennec and firefox does it too :) | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | But on linux desktop, the window managers have tons of code designed to whip firefox until it behaves | 19:42 |
| man_in_ltop | so ... i want a pop-up menu that appears when you click and hold on the screen | 19:42 |
| man_in_ltop | like what happens in MiniB | 19:42 |
| man_in_ltop | or whatever the browser is called : | 19:42 |
| man_in_ltop | :P | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | microb | 19:42 |
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| man_in_ltop | oops, wrong window ... yeah, microb | 19:42 |
| man_in_ltop | how do i code up a menu like that? :) | 19:42 |
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| mib_2snxbu | hello | 19:47 |
| mib_2snxbu | I'm luke | 19:47 |
| lbt | hi luke | 19:48 |
| lbt | did you make any progress? | 19:49 |
| mib_2snxbu | well, I found the two files. What I have to do now? | 19:49 |
| lbt | can you cut'n'paste them into http://pastebin.com/ | 19:50 |
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| mib_2snxbu | at the moment pastebin isn't working | 19:51 |
| lbt | http://www.pastebin.cz/ | 19:52 |
| mib_2snxbu | I'm opening sources.list with Notes, but it's empty | 19:53 |
| lbt | ok | 19:54 |
| mib_2snxbu | or is notes that can't open it | 19:54 |
| lbt | try a 'cat' in xterm to confirm | 19:54 |
| lbt | so: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | man_in_ltop: google "hildon tap-and-hold signal" and/or "tap_and_hold_setup" | 19:55 |
| mib_2snxbu | "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root | 19:55 |
| mib_2snxbu | ?? | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, maybe something generally similar to http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mxr-newstyle-test.jpg (although the sidebar was a bad idea). | 19:55 |
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| lbt | man_in_ltop: here's some code from my gtk shopper: http://maemo.pastey.net/113117 | 19:57 |
| lbt | mib_2snxbu: yes, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root | 19:58 |
| mib_2snxbu | "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in x term no results | 19:58 |
| lbt | so it's empty :) | 19:58 |
| mib_2snxbu | yeah | 19:58 |
| mib_2snxbu | so? | 19:58 |
| lbt | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 19:58 |
| lbt | (so you don't have any nasty repos with old data in there) | 19:59 |
| man_in_ltop | ok | 19:59 |
| man_in_ltop | i can only find C examples, not finding anything in python | 19:59 |
| lbt | oh, python... good luck with that :) | 20:00 |
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| lbt | mib_2snxbu: anything? | 20:01 |
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| qwerty12 | man_in_ltop: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268123#post268123 | 20:02 |
| mib_2snxbu | http://www.pastebin.cz/32c56216c61632 | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | I used his code for blueman and it worked brilliantly | 20:02 |
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| mib_2snxbu | i posted the result | 20:03 |
| man_in_ltop | ah right | 20:03 |
| lbt | I have : deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user | 20:04 |
| man_in_ltop | gtk.Widget or whatever is given tap_and_hold_setup on hildon | 20:04 |
| lbt | and deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user | 20:04 |
| man_in_ltop | or whatever | 20:04 |
| man_in_ltop | :P | 20:04 |
| lbt | aswell as those 2 mib_2snxbu | 20:04 |
| lbt | so add those 2 lines | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | man_in_ltop: yep, you can use it directly on a gtkmenu or just connect your widget to the tap-and-hold signal | 20:05 |
| lbt | and then apt-get update | 20:05 |
| woglinde | ~lart this powervr crap | 20:05 |
| * infobot executes killall -KILL this powervr crap | 20:05 | |
| keesj | sudo kill -9 -1 | 20:07 |
| mib_2snxbu | Where I have to add the 2 lines http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user?? | 20:08 |
| lbt | sorry, into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 20:08 |
| mib_2snxbu | in app manager? | 20:08 |
| mib_2snxbu | oh, ok | 20:08 |
| lbt | I *think* they're standard | 20:09 |
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| mib_2snxbu | Can I add theme using notes? | 20:10 |
| lbt | on the tablet? | 20:10 |
| lbt | should be OK | 20:10 |
| lbt | (I'm thinking of windows line endings) | 20:10 |
| mib_2snxbu | Can I try to add the two lines using app Manager > New Catalog? Because if I use directly the file it says "Access Danied" | 20:15 |
| lbt | hmm - you're not root then | 20:15 |
| mib_2snxbu | with gpe filemanager i'm not root | 20:16 |
| mib_2snxbu | or Can i add it by xterm? | 20:16 |
| lbt | OK, try with appmgr | 20:16 |
| mib_2snxbu | ok | 20:16 |
| mib_2snxbu | Very good, so, catalogue name, distribution, components? | 20:16 |
| lbt | name is "Nokia catalogue" | 20:17 |
| lbt | for http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ | 20:18 |
| lbt | Distribution is blank | 20:18 |
| lbt | Components is "user" | 20:18 |
| lbt | Then "Nokia catalogue (3rd party software)" | 20:18 |
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| lbt | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ | 20:18 |
| lbt | Distribution is blank again | 20:19 |
| lbt | Components is "user" again | 20:19 |
| luke-jr | the Nokia proprietary repo is password-protected :/ | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | apt sends the password | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (it's not also hard to get; as I was one of the first to find ;)) | 20:20 |
| mib_2snxbu | updated | 20:20 |
| lbt | OK | 20:21 |
| mib_2snxbu | now? I try to install Shopper? | 20:21 |
| lbt | yep | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | mib_2snxbu: Shopper is terrible :< | 20:21 |
| lbt | see if that fixes the dependencies | 20:21 |
| mib_2snxbu | ok, by xterm apt-get install shopper, ok? | 20:21 |
| lbt | you could use appmgr | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: oooh, where? | 20:21 |
| mib_2snxbu | ok | 20:21 |
| * lbt slaps luke-jr | 20:21 | |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: my apt just errors out on it | 20:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr: look in the sources for diablo's apt | 20:22 |
| mib_2snxbu | oh, no. some application packages required for the installation are missing! | 20:23 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: you've debugged this stuff - mib_2snxbu can't get Qt to install | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: any idea if Nokia would get pissed at me putting it in Gentoo ebuilds? | 20:24 |
| lbt | seems like he has some issues with apt etc... | 20:24 |
| mib_2snxbu | Now I must disconnect, we will talk again in another moment. | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: might cause a panic reaction, as it's meant to be only distributed to tablet owners. | 20:25 |
| mib_2snxbu | Thank you very much | 20:25 |
| lbt | 'k mib_2snxbu | 20:25 |
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| luke-jr | hm | 20:25 |
| * luke-jr ponders | 20:25 | |
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| GAN8001 | luke-jr, there's a reason it's passworded | 20:29 |
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| GAN8001 | luke-jr, unless you want to severely harm Nokia's attitude towards open source, DO NOT put that password into Gentoo. | 20:30 |
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| luke-jr | GAN8001: ok, any suggestions? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug? | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | currently I'm using a non-passworded mirror | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what bug? | 20:31 |
| GAN8001 | If people with tablets want access, they can find the patch themselves | 20:31 |
| GAN8001 | You're MIRRORING the upgrade repo? . . . | 20:31 |
| luke-jr | GAN8001: not me | 20:31 |
| luke-jr | GAN8001: that's not very user-friendly | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: there's contractual agreements to be taken into account | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | they license it for their tablets | 20:32 |
| GAN8001 | Tough. Nokia's relicensing their own stuff, but Flash and other licensed 3rd-party stuff you don't have a free pass to redistribute | 20:33 |
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| luke-jr | GAN8001: I don't know the mirror is complete. | 20:33 |
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| luke-jr | maybe I can hope GPSd guy reverse engineers GPS5300 enough | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: anyway, bad bad bad thing to get into - it might destroy any ability we'll have in the future to actually be -able- to distribute this kind of stuff :P | 20:34 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any suggestions on a good way? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution is part of our approach these days | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait for Nokia to relicense their stuff for Mer. | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah.. hang on while we get the specifics right | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | should benefit us all | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | my intended approach shouldn't limit it to being Mer being the receiver, just the tablets themselves | 20:36 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder about potential new stuff in "N900", even if Mer could technically run it, would Nokia allow it on the previous tablets? | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | Like potentially updated skype and/or flash, for example.. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: that's always a good question | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not up to Nokia | 20:38 |
| * Stskeeps is just caring about HW support. | 20:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Skype distributes their binaries themselves. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that too | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | Skype can run on Mer, if we look at it cynically | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | People keep bringing 3rd-party non-bundled applications into this when they really don't belong in this discussion. :P | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | As users can go right to these 3rd-party websites and download them. | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Skype is awesomely hardcoded for 800x480, though. | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | Ah I just assumed Nokia did what they do on the symbian side, pay off people to port/write stuff | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, they paid them to write it. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't make it non redistributable. | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: you don't care about GPS? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: oh, i care about gps | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | the page doesn't list it | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: there's another proposal later in the thread | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | basically 1) nokia doesn't see a problem in distributing nokia software to nokia tablets (behind a EULA agreement) 2) they got the information on HW very early, and are talking to the 3rd party vendors that has provided them | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: that link doesn't help Gentoo | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo users need to download each .deb file themselves | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yes, and that's how the actual approach will be | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | basically | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | go to page, indicate your MAC and accept EULA, you get delivered a token, just like with fremantle SDK nokia-binaries | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | and a deb sources line | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | from that repository (access allowed with your token) you can grab the bits you need | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's how i hope it'll work | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | i c | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | you can also download prefabricated images behind the EULA. or the open source part without EULA. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea if gentoo allows export MAEMOORGTOKEN= though :P | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | to download using the right token | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: might work as a var in make.conf | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i know this approach isn't as good as open sourcing things, but it is more realistic to let happen | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | but SRC_URI isn't supposed to change ever | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | so maybe not :x | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | well, GPS stuff needs to be open anyway | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | why, really? :P | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | I don't want GNOME | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | GTK != GNOME. | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | I don't want "user" | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah, we can agree on user. | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | actually, gpsdriver links to GNOME libs | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | libgconf | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | which you may argue is insane | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | gconf is generic configuration on maemo really | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's better than custom files | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I asked that the proprietary protocols be moved to a library, and the rest opened | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | right, bark up TI's tree then | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | ? | 20:49 |
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| luke-jr | TI wouldn't be happy with that? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok, library maybe | 20:50 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to dealing with OBS. | 20:50 | |
| * lcuk is home | 20:51 | |
| Stskeeps | wb | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | safe journey? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | ta :D | 20:51 |
| lcuk | yeah i stayed away from all the doors lol | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the Portage devs are telling me to simply force the user to download the file manually | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: a better way yeah | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so it's between continuing to use no-password-mirror or that | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | am I risking pissing someone off doing #1, if we have only 3 users? | 20:57 |
| Jaffa | Number of users won't change the impact it has | 20:57 |
| Jaffa | Especially if it's something as high profile as Gentoo | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | will fact that I'm not doing the redistribution? | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody's doing it. | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | yeah, but they're doing it whether I link or not | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: the idea is to avoid an arms race really. | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then don't encourage it or promote it. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who is it, anyway? | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | dunno, Google found it ;) | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | anyone know him? | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | ah | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | I don't think I've met him | 21:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | that's a old mirror. good for getting ftd from ;) | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | From before it was passworded, actually.. | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | ö | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | so I'm using ancient gpsdriver? :< | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | ftd? | 21:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Early 2008 ancient. | 21:04 |
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| luke-jr | hm | 21:05 |
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| lurk-jr | dislexy is sometimes funny | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | where is apt src? | 21:06 |
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| luke-jr | Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/./Packages.gz 401 Unauthorized [IP: 98.174.28.51 80] | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | my Maemo can't get it | 21:14 |
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| man_in_ltop | yay, my crappy program is working | 21:14 |
| man_in_ltop | next stage is to package it | 21:14 |
| man_in_ltop | but sleep first | 21:14 |
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| mib_ywzy12 | hey is it possible to get banned from here? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | of course it is :P | 21:16 |
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| mib_ywzy12 | because this place never gets spammed unlike the foum | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh, we do get spammed | 21:17 |
| mib_ywzy12 | oh what like advertising or general annoyance | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | both | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, banning is possible. ;) | 21:17 |
| mib_ywzy12 | could you help me with something | 21:17 |
| mib_ywzy12 | my n810 internal memory does not have enough space to store maps anymore because i partioned it so i can boot from it, is there a way of saving the maps to another location(external memory card) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | move to a smaler country | 21:19 |
| mib_ywzy12 | uk | 21:19 |
| luke-jr | WTF kind of a password is ______⁇? | 21:19 |
| mib_ywzy12 | small enough | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: beats me. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | it works though. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | but the principle isn't the password | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | the principle is the method it gets the login | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | which is based on the tablet information | 21:20 |
| mib_ywzy12 | so theres no way of changing the default map storage location | 21:20 |
| lcuk | mib_ywzy12, i dont think there is officially, you could make some sort of symlink, but the best recommendation is restore the 2gb back to its proper size and do your real messing on a removable | 21:20 |
| mib_ywzy12 | fuck | 21:21 |
| mib_ywzy12 | excuse my french | 21:21 |
| lcuk | is that french for thanks? | 21:21 |
| mib_ywzy12 | yes lol | 21:21 |
| lcuk | good! | 21:21 |
| mib_ywzy12 | ill try to change the partion size | 21:21 |
| mib_ywzy12 | if possible without removing the os | 21:21 |
| lcuk | if the maps expects to be /media/mmc1/mapssomething/ | 21:21 |
| lcuk | you could replace mapssomething with a big symlink | 21:22 |
| lcuk | mmc2^ | 21:22 |
| mib_ywzy12 | how do i do that? | 21:22 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so it'd be ok if I put the password in the repo, and had it calculate teh username? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | i dunno its not official | 21:22 |
| lcuk | tis just an idea to try and help | 21:22 |
| mib_ywzy12 | ok thank | 21:23 |
| mib_ywzy12 | you | 21:23 |
| mib_ywzy12 | so anything new for the tablets? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: rot13 the password for good measure.. but really, itÃ's awkward to add to gentoo rep - or is it your own branch? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: right now, it's a n8x0 repo | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 21:25 |
| Jackdoor | how do i get to the thing that letsme change the boot settings | 21:26 |
| Jackdoor | ive downloaded theprogram | 21:26 |
| Jackdoor | oh pb | 21:26 |
| Jackdoor | sorry | 21:26 |
| Jackdoor | is it possible tochange the partion without messing up the os saved on the internal | 21:27 |
| Jackdoor | ? | 21:29 |
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| thux | Jackdoor: partition inner flash ? | 21:32 |
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| Jackdoor | no the internal memory card | 21:34 |
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| Jackdoor | i want to change the partion size | 21:34 |
| Jackdoor | but not delete the boot file | 21:34 |
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| thux | Jackdoor: never tried parted on sdcard | 21:37 |
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| Jackdoor | ok | 21:39 |
| Jackdoor | not many people talk on here do they | 21:39 |
| thux | maybe more at office days and hours | 21:42 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1403515 | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | you're missing the /proc/component_version stuff | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it's in /proc/cpuinfo too | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough i guess | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | that perl script works on my device, at least | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | i personally can't read that, so i guess it's good | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to rot13 the pwd too :P | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | eh | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: that generates both username and password | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | from /proc/cpuinfo stuff | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | oh, the other dirty trick | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | mount rootfs in jffs and copy | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | that's fairly common usage | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | less trouble | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | what? | 21:50 |
| luke-jr | I don't get that | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | mount the Maemo rootfs from jffs and copy in the binaries from there | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | jffs/internal flash | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | that's what mamona does, for instance | 21:50 |
| luke-jr | why would the binaries be there? | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | and | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | I don't want to assume they have Maemo | 21:51 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:51 |
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| * RST38h moos slightly | 22:04 | |
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| * lcuk whimpers pathetically | 22:05 | |
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| * RST38h feeds stripes of bacon to lcuk | 22:07 | |
| lcuk | heh thanks | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Here is another piece of non-news to entertain you this evening: http://www.edge-online.com/features/playing-to-new-nations | 22:07 |
| lcuk | i can eat bacon quite well but i cant hold a knife to cut other meats | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: err, the u/p I found don't actually work :< | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Qualcomm based, seemingly directed "at developing markets" which translates to "marketing department has not done its homework" | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: the solution is to get a prosthetic finger ending with a scalpel | 22:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: imagine all the possibilities! | 22:09 |
| lcuk | its already got a spoon on the end | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | nono. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | Stylus finger. | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and i should do what that finnish biker did get a usb stick lol | 22:09 |
| lcuk | ooooh | 22:09 |
| lbt | grow your fingernails and file them to a point | 22:10 |
| lbt | s'what I do... | 22:10 |
| lcuk | lbt, i cant grow any fingernails at the moment | 22:10 |
| lcuk | did u see the xray? | 22:10 |
| lbt | no? | 22:10 |
| lbt | you? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg | 22:10 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:10 |
| lbt | eek | 22:10 |
| lbt | What happened? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | i went on a trip to somewhere northern and cold and found out the company isnt very finger friendly lol | 22:11 |
| lbt | you picked your nose didn't you! | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: qwerty12 bit your finger off?!? | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mmm... finger... | 22:12 |
| lbt | bacon flavoured probably | 22:12 |
| radic | hoi qwerty12_N800 | 22:12 |
| RST38h | [speaking to himself] ...or maybe a bright white LED that lights up in the dark... | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi radic | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | no lbt, i was leaving a big building and i reached for the handle and pushed, found it was locked, so pressed what would be the unlock button - then reached again for the handle at the same time the door (ovi..) opened outwards trapping my finger and completely uncovering the tip | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | ive got blood splatter over my clothes and it was all over my face too | 22:14 |
| lbt | SUE THEM | 22:14 |
| * lcuk checks to see if hes american | 22:14 | |
| radic | qwerty12_N800: why i ran into problems when i connect via ppp0 and bring up wlan0 with iwconfig? | 22:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Definitely SUE. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | it's a no brainer | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | radic: no idea, I never config wlan0 in maemo :) | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: sue, shoot or chop their fingers off | 22:16 |
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| GAN800 | One of my neighbors changed their SSID to 'EoW2012'. | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | They expect Obama to abdicate to Antichrist in 2012? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Or do they expect the Antichrist to win elections fairly? =) | 22:26 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: what elections? | 22:27 |
| luke-jr | you expect there to be a USA in 2012? | 22:27 |
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| luke-jr | and how did Antichrist come up? | 22:28 |
| lbt | please change yours to "Welcome666" | 22:29 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 22:30 |
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| luke-jr | or convert to base 42 | 22:30 |
| luke-jr | "WelcomeAI" | 22:30 |
| RST38h | luke: well, somebody has to start an Apocalypse, and you really can't count on anyone but USA for that | 22:30 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: "EoW" implied "end of world" to me-- which is inherently after any apocalypses | 22:30 |
| RST38h | You mean it is gonna happen earlier than 2012? Ok, fair | 22:31 |
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| luke-jr | more likely GAN800's neighbor is loony | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | I don't expect EoW anytime too soon | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | there are far too many people expecting EoW for it to be soon | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Total world economic collapse, however. | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | sure | 22:33 |
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| luke-jr | divine chastisement too, I'm sure | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | but not the end | 22:34 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any reason to think Nokia will be annoyed if I mirror GPL'd stuff behind the password? | 22:41 |
| lbt | none at all | 22:41 |
| lbt | that's 100% legit | 22:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The problem really is Flash and other licensed stuff. | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: think you can already grab that though, but i guess | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr: if it's GPL, can't you just rebuild for Gentoo with the sources Nokia have put out? | 22:44 |
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| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: no idea, it seems extremely difficult to find any N8x0-related sources | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is a good start | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | repository.maemo.org? | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: that's packages | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | not sources | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's sources too. | 22:50 |
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| xnt_ | hey everyone, how about porting this to maemo? http://titaniumapp.com/ | 22:52 |
| * xnt_ checks Mer Wiki Page | 22:53 | |
| xnt_ | 0.11 already? | 22:53 |
| * xnt_ wants his nit back | 22:53 | |
| lbt | 0.12 tomorrow | 22:54 |
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| robtaylor | xnt_: it has a very silly name =) | 22:54 |
| xnt_ | Im going to demand my nit from my parents tomorrow | 22:54 |
| xnt_ | robtaylor: what Mer? | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | xnt_: wtf? | 22:55 |
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| xnt_ | luke-jr: what? :P | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | xnt_: what's up w/ your NIT? | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | Titanium looks like a bad idea, IMO | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | at least the license | 22:56 |
| xnt_ | my gym teacher confiscated it after It fell out of my pocket | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | xnt_: eh? sue? | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | they have no right to steal your stuff | 22:56 |
| xnt_ | luke-jr: actually now my parents have it now :( | 22:57 |
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| * xnt_ wishes that he could sue his school for banning electronic devices in this tech centric world | 22:58 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you could get stupid kids from texting in class. ;) | 22:59 |
| xnt_ | seriously, when I was in 2nd grade I brought my dos tablet to school and it wasn't confiscated, now if I bring a flashlight into school they confiscated | 22:59 |
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| xnt_ | GA: yeah, I know this girl who got a call from her parents and she answered it and now the school won't give her parents her phone | 23:00 |
| xnt_ | in my english class: like 7 kids text eachother and the teacher doesn't see | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: how about mirroring BSD-licensed Nokia blobs? | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | like libsupld | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | eh, don't think that's bsd licensed | 23:03 |
| mavhc | schools aren't designed to work with technology, exams are completely stupid in that respect, great, I passed my exam, now I can know stuff the one time in my life I'm not connected to everyone on the planet and all information | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the package says it is | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | check the 'copyright' file | 23:04 |
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| z4chh_ | if i buy an n810 that says it comes with os2008...should i flash still? | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | probably | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | z4chh_ is it the latest? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, there's no harm in flashing. | 23:12 |
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| z4chh_ | yeah :\ | 23:13 |
| z4chh_ | i like flashing anyways | 23:13 |
| z4chh_ | kind of fun | 23:13 |
| z4chh_ | makes me feel good | 23:13 |
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| z4chh_ | there any content released with some of the specs of the new tablet device? | 23:21 |
| lbt | I heard that it doesn't have a stylus | 23:22 |
| z4chh_ | o_o | 23:23 |
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| xnt_ | repost: YAY! http://xceleo.com/mer11.png | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, lol. | 23:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | z4chh, pretty much everything we know: | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 23:32 |
| infobot | well, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 23:32 |
| * xnt_ wonders why b-man isn't on (sunday here in ny) | 23:34 | |
| luke-jr | heh | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | vibration function | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | and they still claim no cell support? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | VoIP? | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | VoIP doesn't work in scenarios where you want vibration | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um? | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | eg, out and about w/ the NIT in your pocket | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | With cellular data? | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | oh, possibly | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | they going to get providers to support that? | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | I have yet to see a cell data plan usable for VoIP | 23:36 |
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| * ShadowJK has one usable for voip | 23:45 | |
| ShadowJK | skype is a bit dubious on it, p2p not allowed | 23:45 |
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| AStorm | hello | 23:53 |
| AStorm | I'm having some hardware problem with my n810 | 23:53 |
| AStorm | I suspect a broken battery | 23:53 |
| AStorm | or a broken charging controller | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | symptom? | 23:53 |
| AStorm | charges the battery fine | 23:53 |
| AStorm | then hangs on battery full | 23:54 |
| AStorm | even when I remove the charger | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you reflashed? | 23:54 |
| AStorm | sometimes the device doesn't start and is killed by the watchdog | 23:54 |
| AStorm | I will try that, but that's obviously work-intensive | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | out of space, AStorm ? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're not booting from a flash card? | 23:54 |
| AStorm | hmm, unlikely, but I'll check | 23:55 |
| AStorm | I'm not... n810 and all | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, internal mmc then | 23:55 |
| AStorm | booting from flash card means I can't use flash card for data | 23:55 |
| lcuk | unless you pick up a mini one | 23:55 |
| AStorm | yes, but as I've been using the device round the clock I didn't have time to reinstall | 23:55 |
| AStorm | lcuk, mini what? I mean, I can't use the port if it's taken by the OS ;P | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where does data go on your desktop? | 23:56 |
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| AStorm | it goes to the card then I sometimes back it up | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | mmc2 is the internal 2gb device memory i assume you mean, mmc1 is removable | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OS only takes up about 512MB | 23:56 |
| AStorm | move data back and forth sometimes (now less thanks to sshfs) | 23:56 |
| AStorm | less | 23:56 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:56 |
| AStorm | the whole trick is I'd have to move it to mmc2 | 23:57 |
| AStorm | and I couldn't because the device is in constant use... mostly | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever. | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | depends on the OS | 23:57 |
| AStorm | well, now it works... charging and battery meter | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: 8 GB miniSD is plenty of space ;) | 23:57 |
| AStorm | for some reason | 23:57 |
| AStorm | it doesn't work intermittently | 23:57 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, I know it is, that's why I want to have that removable | 23:58 |
| AStorm | and not throw all that data via Wifi | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | USB? | 23:58 |
| * konttori just posted a small blog about tracker on maemo http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-tracking-for-people-waiting-for.html | 23:58 | |
| konttori | in case anyone is interested about such things at this hour | 23:59 |
| AStorm | less handy and not all that fast :/ | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | tracker? | 23:59 |
| konttori | tracker is the metadata engine on fremantle | 23:59 |
| torkiano | is it possible to install maemo sdk in a amd64 system? | 23:59 |
| AStorm | konttori, mmh | 23:59 |
| AStorm | torkiano, sure it is, if you can run virtual machines :P | 23:59 |
| AStorm | or are well-versed in scratchbox2 | 23:59 |
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