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| limepi | hey there, I'm trying to fix my bluetooth pairing problems | 00:22 |
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| limepi | by following these instructions http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/FAQs,_Problems_and_Solutions#Bluetooth_device_not_pairing_after_a_reboot_or_reflash | 00:22 |
| limepi | but it seems that there isn't a "trusts" file to be cat'd | 00:23 |
| wazd | Chaps, are there any VM Gurus in here?) | 00:27 |
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| Robot101 | wazd: maybe, what's the question? | 00:28 |
| * Robot101 has used Xen a lot and libvirt/kvm more recently | 00:28 | |
| wazd | Software detects that i run it in VM | 00:28 |
| wazd | and stops running, calls mom :) | 00:29 |
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| wazd | Can I somehow avoid that stuff? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | etrunko, \o congrats on so many students, but why didnt you get one to make a media player, canola would be perfect for one :P | 00:29 |
| Robot101 | wazd: pass, I have no idea. most VM technologies make no secret they're virtualised, like they return CPU/system IDs like "KVM virtual CPU" and such | 00:30 |
| Robot101 | wazd: depends what mechanism is being used to detect the virtualisation, and what virtualisation technology is being used | 00:30 |
| wazd | VMWare | 00:31 |
| wazd | mechanism - dunno :( | 00:31 |
| Robot101 | wazd: depending how ninja you are, and how ninja the software you're trying to crack is, you can get a decompiler going on it | 00:31 |
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| wazd | I'm Ninja from Beverley Hills :D | 00:31 |
| Robot101 | tooks like http://code.google.com/p/ospy/ can help for finding certain function calls and returning more... appealing values :) | 00:32 |
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| wazd | thanks :) | 00:36 |
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| Robot101 | s/took/tool/, lol | 00:41 |
| Robot101 | fool of a took! | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | wazd, what are you trying to run inside a vm | 00:50 |
| wazd | Game client :) | 00:51 |
| wazd | XP | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | you sound like b-man | 00:51 |
| lcuk | games have very special eulas to stop you from pirating them :P | 00:52 |
| lcuk | and code to back them up | 00:53 |
| lcuk | which are you trying to play? | 00:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, the client is free :) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | but the games on it arent :P | 00:53 |
| lcuk | i gather you are on about the hot water on | 00:53 |
| lcuk | e | 00:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: but it doesn't allow to run multiple windows on 1 machine | 00:53 |
| VDVsx | wazd, steam ? | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (hint: steam is cracked to hell) | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | obviously wazd is a litter further than hell | 00:54 |
| wazd | VDVsx: nope, Lineage II :) | 00:54 |
| VDVsx | wazd, and what error/behavior you got in the VM? | 00:56 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: "Sorry, this app couldn't be ran in VM" :) | 00:57 |
| VDVsx | wazd, lol, Why ? don't make any sense to me :( | 00:57 |
| lcuk | pretty clear to me | 00:57 |
| VDVsx | lol | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd: there was a thread on russian steam forum using wine (yes, it exists for windows, oddly) to run two steam clients in windows | 00:57 |
| wazd | hmmm) | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wine is powerful stuff - it passed genuine advantage check for a while without cracks :) | 00:59 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: thanks! | 01:00 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: btw, why are you surfing russian forums all the time?) | 01:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Oh, I find Russians to be very resourceful & Russian forums to be a great source of info (with google translate). Besides, this particular forum had an English section :p | 01:02 |
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| labaudio | johnx are you there? | 01:26 |
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| labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? | 01:26 |
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| limepi | hey, is anyone with bluetooth expertise around? | 01:31 |
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| labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | labaudio, hardy desktop? | 01:34 |
| labaudio | yes | 01:34 |
| labaudio | sdk hardy desktop | 01:34 |
| lcuk | i didnt mishear you (irc is good like that) i just didnt know what it was in relation to maemo | 01:34 |
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| fireun | wow, summer classes suck | 01:35 |
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| labaudio | Maemo Diablo Ubuntu Hardy Desktop virtual SDK image | 01:35 |
| labaudio | comes in 2 ziped files | 01:36 |
| labaudio | how to properly extract then | 01:36 |
| labaudio | its full maemo topic here i think | 01:36 |
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| labaudio | no clue lcuk? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | no sorry | 01:41 |
| labaudio | ok | 01:41 |
| lcuk | try itt | 01:41 |
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| labaudio | sdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image? | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | is anyone able to build valgrind for maemo in a scratchbox for me please? :$ | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | and would anyone know of a reason why i couldnt use it | 02:24 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, I think I saw some maemo wiki pages about valgrind | 02:38 |
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| lcuk | gulp | 02:39 |
| lcuk | i think ill just follow my hunch lol | 02:39 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, thanks i saw | 02:39 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | can diablo do wpa2 wireless connections? | 03:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | (my attempt so far failed, but might be something else) | 03:51 |
| johnx | some tipes. wpa2 psk appears to be no problem | 03:52 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 03:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | psk? | 03:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I see | 03:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, don't think so - it's the university network | 03:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and you just use your uni-id/password to log in | 03:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but I've never needed to use it before, so ... might need to be enabled or something (although I don't think so) | 03:56 |
| johnx | pre-shared key I think it means | 03:57 |
| johnx | the normal kind you find on home routers | 03:57 |
| johnx | or are you at a college or something? | 03:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah | 03:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | always used cable with the computers, though | 03:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so I never seriously tried to use their wireless net | 03:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's either wpa2 or an unencrypted connection and you've got to use a vpn to reach anything | 03:59 |
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| johnx | do you use eduroam? | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ignorance is bliss :) | 04:07 |
| johnx | does your school have a page with explanation/instructions about the network? | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah | 04:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and that seemed to include all important information | 04:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no, not eudoram (never heard of it before) | 04:08 |
| johnx | well, I'm a little busy/distracted right now, but if you post a link to that page, people might have suggestions for you (or they might not) | 04:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I've got a lot to explore right now :) | 04:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | got that thing today - but of course would be much funnier with net | 04:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well... will see how it goes at home | 04:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | this one is for xp http://www.it.northwestern.edu/oncampus/wireless/wireless-connections/wireless-win.html | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | seemed to cover most things | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so didn't check out the vista one | 04:13 |
| johnx | aaah, with PEAP | 04:13 |
| johnx | have you checked for any info on itt? | 04:13 |
| johnx | ~itt | 04:13 |
| infobot | methinks itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 04:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, the 'connection manager' on this device does offer peap as an option | 04:14 |
| johnx | IIRC, there's kind of a trick to it or something | 04:14 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh, that sounds hopeful | 04:14 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not that I get much signal in my office anyway :( | 04:15 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but something is better than nothing | 04:15 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, cool, thanks seems there's a thread for it ... | 04:17 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | well, this is it http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12343&highlight=maemo+peap&page=2 | 04:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | will check the links after dinner to see if there's a solution | 04:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | might help to get the certificate (there should be one...) | 04:29 |
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| spcui | Hi, guys | 04:35 |
| FireFox-3 | hello | 04:35 |
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| spcui | How to debug Home plugins in N810? | 04:36 |
| spcui | i'm developing with Python now. | 04:36 |
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| kcowolf | shoot | 05:04 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 05:27 |
| zakkm | heyy | 05:27 |
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| jaem | would someone with a scratchbox setup handy mind doing me a quick favour? I need a binary of fanoush's kbdd with the elektex patch, and I don't have access to my build server at the moment | 05:28 |
| jaem | for some reason, the only binary on the site doesn't include that :S | 05:29 |
| zakkm | jaem: sorry, dont have scratchbox :( | 05:30 |
| jaem | hmm | 05:30 |
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| jaem | itT post says the binary should include that, but I didn't see it | 05:31 |
| jaem | hrm | 05:31 |
| * jaem doublechecks | 05:31 | |
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| jaem | huh | 05:33 |
| jaem | I could swear it wasn't there before | 05:33 |
| * jaem is crazy | 05:33 | |
| * zakkm agrees | 05:33 | |
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| FireFox | hello Freddy | 05:35 |
| Freddy_ | hey | 05:35 |
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| FireFox | ~burn himself | 05:36 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 05:36 | |
| Freddy_ | watch what?? | 05:36 |
| FireFox | lol | 05:36 |
| jaem | woot! | 05:36 |
| jaem | it works | 05:36 |
| FireFox | yup :) | 05:37 |
| * jaem just got a fabric keyboard in the mail | 05:37 | |
| kcowolf | fabric keyboard? | 05:38 |
| Freddy_ | infobot: kill himself | 05:38 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxelectron gun at himself | 05:38 | |
| FireFox | lol | 05:38 |
| kcowolf | heh | 05:39 |
| spcui | Can anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810? | 05:39 |
| Freddy_ | infobot: kill himself | 05:39 |
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| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized neutrino gun at himself | 05:39 | |
| Freddy_ | infobot: blowup | 05:40 |
| kcowolf | Sorry it's not maemo related, but has anyone had success with Ubuntu on an external card? | 05:40 |
| Freddy_ | infobot: blow up | 05:40 |
| * infobot blows up | 05:40 | |
| johnx | spcui, not entirely sure if this would work, but maybe try running strace on hildon-desktop in scratchbox? | 05:40 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: whats not working about it? | 05:40 |
| spcui | i'm developing with python | 05:40 |
| Freddy_ | infobot: | 05:40 |
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| Freddy_ | infobot | 05:40 |
| Freddy_ | hi guys! | 05:41 |
| kcowolf | well, I think I finally got the bootmenu item correct, but every time I try to start it up it crashes | 05:41 |
| FireFox | :P | 05:41 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: the tablet stops working? just shows nokia logo and turns off? | 05:41 |
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| romeus1 | hello | 05:41 |
| kcowolf | It shows something like "booting Ubuntu Jaunty on external (mmcblk0p2)" for a few seconds, then blacks out and reboots | 05:42 |
| jaem | kcowolf: what did you enter for the device name in the *.item? | 05:42 |
| zakkm | could i see bootmenu item? | 05:42 |
| zakkm | like all text in it, pastebin'd | 05:42 |
| spcui | johnx: it hasnot /usr/share/applications/hildon-home dir in scratchbox. | 05:43 |
| romeus1 | I've been playing with USB host on my N800 today, and I've managed to get hard drive and stick working... I just plugged in my logitech USB headset and it's being detected (Bus 001 Device 026: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.) how do I got about setting it up? | 05:43 |
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| zakkm | romeus1: doesnt automatically work out of box? | 05:43 |
| jaem | zakkm: I wouldn't expect it to | 05:44 |
| zakkm | ohh usb | 05:44 |
| jaem | I haven't checked, but USB audio isn't one of the things I would expect Nokia to compile in | 05:44 |
| jaem | you'd need the kernel module, most likely | 05:44 |
| zakkm | yeah i was thinking of normal headphone jack | 05:44 |
| jaem | and I'm afraid I can't help you there | 05:45 |
| spcui | johnx: so i want to gdb home plugins app in N810. | 05:45 |
| zakkm | johnx is here? | 05:45 |
| kcowolf | zakkm: http://pastebin.com/d1e70ff0c | 05:45 |
| romeus1 | what would I have to do to get the kernel module for USB headsets? | 05:45 |
| zakkm | romeus1: more than its worth. | 05:45 |
| romeus1 | lol | 05:46 |
| jaem | zakkm: that depends on how much value romeus1 places on it | 05:46 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: partition 2? | 05:46 |
| jaem | but it would be a lot of work | 05:46 |
| jaem | and not easy | 05:46 |
| Freddy_ | infobot: you suck | 05:46 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 05:46 |
| romeus1 | lol @ infobot | 05:46 |
| FireFox | haha | 05:46 |
| zakkm | romeus: why do you need a headset, it has builtin speaker and mic, just attach normal headphones for speaker purposes, and just use the builtin mic, its highly sensitive | 05:47 |
| kcowolf | zakkm: that's what it is, not sure waht it should be | 05:47 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: did you install ubuntu to partition 2? | 05:47 |
| romeus1 | hmm, lots of work and not easy - that's not a good combination | 05:47 |
| kcowolf | zakkm: actually, that should be partition 3, shouldn't it? partition 2 is the swap | 05:47 |
| zakkm | so change it | 05:47 |
| zakkm | ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3" | 05:47 |
| kcowolf | I'll hit myself in the forehead if that's it | 05:47 |
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| jaem | kcowolf: it most likely is | 05:48 |
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| zakkm | kcowolf: it would be. | 05:48 |
| jaem | and I don't mean locked like a CAPS lock key should be | 05:48 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: reinstall bootloader after changing that. | 05:48 |
| jaem | I mean locked into lock mode | 05:48 |
| romeus1 | zakkm> I was trying out various mods today on my N800, I installed the 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards... I started playing with USB and wanted to see how far i could take it... could I plug a webcam into the usb? | 05:48 |
| Navi | USB headsets are a headache, even on desktop Linux | 05:48 |
| zakkm | romeus1: i dont see the purpose for a true headset, just use a normal headphones for speaker.. and use the builtin mic, your be surprised how sensitive it is | 05:49 |
| jaem | romeus1: as zakkm says, the internal mic is really good, considering | 05:49 |
| romeus1 | yeah, it's actually pretty good, I've used it for skype calls quite a bit | 05:49 |
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| luke-jr | gah | 05:50 |
| jaem | however, if you really want a headset, it probably could be done, but if you haven't messed around with the kernel before, it won't be pretty | 05:50 |
| romeus1 | has anybody tried to attach a webcam to the n800? | 05:50 |
| zakkm | if you dont want people to hear the other end, guessing purpose you wanted headset, put in normal headphones | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | loadkeys doesn't affect X11? :/ | 05:50 |
| * kcowolf hits himself in the forehead | 05:50 | |
| * kcowolf briefly considers stabbing himself in the eye with his stylus, but decides against it | 05:50 | |
| zakkm | romeus1: the tablet isnt as expandable as you might think ;p | 05:50 |
| romeus1 | it's really cool, I was playing Neogeo games with a Saitek gamepad on it | 05:50 |
| romeus1 | lol | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards? | 05:51 |
| kcowolf | zakkm: thanks for your help | 05:51 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: im sure thats it, it would boot off "swap" and then fail, and show blank.. but if something breaks after that fix or something do ask ;p | 05:52 |
| romeus1 | luke-jr> yeah, it allows for faster read/write rates from SDHC/MMC cards... I believe the default kernel reads at about Class 2 speeds... the mod will allow for Class 6 apparently | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: oooooooh | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: POINTER PLZ | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: my root fs is on class 6 SD!@ | 05:52 |
| zakkm | heh | 05:52 |
| romeus1 | luke-jr> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=71 | 05:53 |
| zakkm | fanoush does 48mhz doesnt he? | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | btw, it is hilarious to see two trolls trying to troll each other | 05:53 |
| romeus1 | fanoush does but this one is for the latest kernel | 05:53 |
| kcowolf | okay, I got the "boot stalls after 99%" error mentioned on the forum | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: I suspect I will need to build my own kernel anyway | 05:53 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: you wait a while? that last 1% is the lnogest | 05:53 |
| romeus1 | luke-jr> if you're using 5.2008.43 then it's really easy | 05:54 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: also wait like few min, take out battery, boot it again. | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: what's that? | 05:54 |
| zakkm | romeus1: care to share kernel link | 05:54 |
| romeus1 | zakkm> http://intr.overt.org/5.2008.43-mmc-kernel/ | 05:54 |
| romeus1 | pretty simple mod, but works great | 05:55 |
| zakkm | thank you | 05:55 |
| romeus1 | my pleasure :) | 05:55 |
| kcowolf | looks like the problem may be due to a missing desktop environment | 05:55 |
| romeus1 | thank Philip Langdale | 05:55 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: you didnt install one? | 05:55 |
| jaem | hrm | 05:55 |
| jaem | do key click sounds not work with a BT keyboard, or is this just my problem? | 05:56 |
| kcowolf | I only installed sys-env-base | 05:56 |
| jaem | kcowolf: there ye go | 05:56 |
| jaem | it finishes booting, but nothing loads | 05:56 |
| zakkm | b-man: you here? | 05:56 |
| kcowolf | yeah | 05:56 |
| zakkm | kcowolf: you should download/install a environment/ wm .. and set .xinitrc accordingly | 05:56 |
| kcowolf | wasn't sure exactly when I should install sys-env-x | 05:57 |
| zakkm | after base | 05:57 |
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| b-man` | hello | 05:57 |
| kcowolf | hey b-man | 05:57 |
| zakkm | . | 05:57 |
| kcowolf | from the ubuntu startup can I get to a console and install it from there, or do I need to go back through maemo? | 05:58 |
| romeus1 | btw, if you want 48mhz sdhc/mmc, screen rotation, and also bugfix for RNDIS and consitent mmc device names then you might want to consider > http://seas3.elte.hu/balihb/maemo/ (I haven't tried it yet) | 05:58 |
| romeus1 | I think I'll try it now :) | 05:58 |
| zakkm | b-man; didnt get tty to show on ubuntu port? | 05:58 |
| b-man` | you should do it from maemo | 05:58 |
| b-man` | tty? | 05:59 |
| zakkm | console. | 05:59 |
| b-man` | console is functional | 05:59 |
| zakkm | splash goes over it? | 05:59 |
| b-man` | ubuntu uses a rescue menu, just press home+power at startup to select console | 06:00 |
| zakkm | oh thats howw :p | 06:00 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:00 |
| zakkm | i always saw screenshots, im like hmm how do i get that menu | 06:01 |
| jaem | b-man`: would it be feasible to allow the user to switch to tty once booted? | 06:01 |
| zakkm | that rescue mode would do | 06:01 |
| jaem | call me a geek, but tty's were one thing I missed when running Maemo | 06:01 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:01 |
| jaem | zakkm: I mean from a running GUI install, just like on a desktop | 06:01 |
| zakkm | you can run terminal? | 06:01 |
| zakkm | just boot into console everytime | 06:01 |
| jaem | no, I want both | 06:02 |
| zakkm | dont add xdm or anything | 06:02 |
| b-man` | shure - you should be able to get tty when booted | 06:02 |
| zakkm | and it will go into console | 06:02 |
| zakkm | and when you want desktop you do startx? | 06:02 |
| b-man` | if you kill x | 06:02 |
| jaem | zakkm: I want to be able to switch | 06:02 |
| jaem | b-man`: any key combo, or just manual? | 06:02 |
| b-man` | ubuntu uses gdm or kdm | 06:02 |
| b-man` | manual | 06:02 |
| zakkm | ubuntu uses gdm, kubuntu uses kdm :D | 06:02 |
| b-man` | i know XD | 06:02 |
| jaem | b-man`: thanks | 06:02 |
| b-man` | np :) | 06:03 |
| jaem | grr... I deactivated my keyboard, and my N810 rebooted | 06:03 |
| jaem | methinks there be boogs | 06:03 |
| * b-man` needs to update a lot of stuff in ubuntu-n8x0 | 06:04 | |
| b-man` | i just wish i had time :( | 06:05 |
| kcowolf | okay, which one is the home button? | 06:05 |
| b-man` | the one with the little house icon | 06:05 |
| kcowolf | on the N810? | 06:06 |
| kcowolf | lower-rightmost button on the keyboard? | 06:06 |
| b-man` | n810 - the one with the two little squares | 06:06 |
| kcowolf | ah | 06:06 |
| * b-man` uses an N800 :) | 06:07 | |
| kcowolf | k, logged into the console | 06:08 |
| b-man` | witch desktop env are you planning on using btw? | 06:09 |
| kcowolf | GNOME if I can | 06:10 |
| zakkm | b-man: how well does fvwm-crystal work on the tablet, have you tried? | 06:10 |
| b-man` | :D | 06:10 |
| kcowolf | KDE4 would be great, but I think that would be slow | 06:10 |
| zakkm | everything but maemo is slow ;p | 06:10 |
| b-man` | zakkm: i haven't yet - could you give me a link? :) | 06:10 |
| zakkm | its in repository | 06:10 |
| zakkm | you can apt-get it | 06:11 |
| kcowolf | ah, shoot | 06:11 |
| zakkm | my vmdk just crashed/ totally messed up before i could install it | 06:11 |
| kcowolf | I'd need to start wireless in order to get sys-env-x over the wi-fi | 06:11 |
| zakkm | b-man`: apt-get install fvwm-crystal | 06:11 |
| b-man` | zakkm: software in ubuntu runs better than software in maemo on my tablet | 06:11 |
| b-man` | k | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | hey b-man` | 06:11 |
| b-man` | hello | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | how goes getting Vista on your N800? | 06:11 |
| b-man` | lol | 06:12 |
| kcowolf | :) | 06:12 |
| zakkm | b-man`: http://www.linux.org/dist/reviews/images/fvwm-crystal.png <-- pic of fvwm-crystal | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: you have that Ubuntu working on N810? | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | or just N800? | 06:12 |
| zakkm | very lightweightt | 06:12 |
| zakkm | moreso than fluxbox i would assume | 06:13 |
| kcowolf | I'll try this from maemo... will I need to do anything beforehand besides unmounting the external card, remounting it as /mnt/jaunty and mounting the other five directories? | 06:13 |
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| zakkm | kcowolf: chrooting .. | 06:13 |
| zakkm | most important , except initial mounting of course | 06:13 |
| kcowolf | will running the N810 with the charger plugged in run wear out the battery? | 06:14 |
| b-man` | luke-jr: i own an N800 and yes :) | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: but it does work on N810? | 06:15 |
| b-man` | zakkm: awsome | 06:15 |
| b-man` | yes | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: mind if I steal some stuff? :D | 06:15 |
| zakkm | b-man`: mind checking for me how well it performs, screensize wise and all | 06:15 |
| b-man` | luke-jr: shure XD | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: sweet | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: how did you get the fscking kb to work? :D | 06:15 |
| b-man` | zakkm: shure :) | 06:16 |
| zakkm | b-man`: thank you, shouldnt be too big, 7mb tops | 06:16 |
| b-man` | luke-jr: it's xkbd | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: that's no kb | 06:17 |
| b-man` | wow 0.o | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: I mean the real one | 06:18 |
| zakkm | you cant use maemo one. | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | so it really doesn't work on N810? ☹ | 06:18 |
| b-man` | it should work | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: how? | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | especially the Fn key | 06:19 |
| b-man` | it uses xserver-xorg-input-evdev from mer | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | how did you get that working? | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, it's a problem for Mer too :/ | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | or at least Stskeepz made it sound that way | 06:20 |
| b-man` | hmm :/ | 06:20 |
| kcowolf | should I need to do the insmod commands again? | 06:20 |
| romeus1 | is there anyway to run windows ce on the n800? | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | romeus1: emulator maybe | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | on the other hand, my *immediate* problem is that my keymap doesn't seem to work once I start X | 06:21 |
| b-man` | hmm | 06:21 |
| kcowolf | "mounting /dev/mmcblk1p3 on /mnt/jaunty failed" | 06:21 |
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| b-man` | you need to run insmod | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | kcowolf: how big does your MMC card have to be to desire 3 partitions? -.- | 06:21 |
| kcowolf | It's 8GB, and I just followed the tutorial | 06:22 |
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| kcowolf | (dosfs, swap, ext3) | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | why vfat? | 06:22 |
| zakkm | viewing from windows. | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | oh | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | Windows | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | people still use that? | 06:22 |
| zakkm | lol | 06:22 |
| zakkm | its also good for tablet | 06:23 |
| jaem | luke-jr: apparently | 06:23 |
| jaem | go figure | 06:23 |
| zakkm | to have a vfat partition | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: nonsense | 06:23 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:23 |
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| luke-jr | woot | 06:23 |
| zakkm | thats what i initially was told. | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | kdelibs 4.2 is 5% done building | 06:23 |
| zakkm | lol | 06:24 |
| zakkm | theres alot of kde packages ;p | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | technically just 8 or so | 06:24 |
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| * b-man` starts to wget/compile fvwm-crystal | 06:25 | |
| luke-jr | b-man`: so you didn't really do anything to get the kb working, did you? :/ | 06:25 |
| zakkm | b-man`: why you compiling? | 06:26 |
| b-man` | i did, allthough it obviously wasn't verry functionall | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: any info on what you did? | 06:26 |
| zakkm | b-man: its very lightweight, wants alot of things like mpd and stuff | 06:27 |
| b-man` | i mostly borrowed keymaps & drivers from mer/deblet | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | b-man`: <.< links? | 06:28 |
| * b-man` grabs the repo link | 06:28 | |
| zakkm | http://www.fvwm-crystal.org/user-screenshots/nemo.jpg <-- favourite desktop screenshot of all times, (its old ) | 06:28 |
| zakkm | linux one anyways | 06:28 |
| b-man` | luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/repository/ --ubuntu-n8x0 repo | 06:29 |
| kcowolf | okay, hopefully should be ready to apt-get install sys-env-x | 06:30 |
| * kcowolf crosses his fingers... pleasework pleasework pleasework... | 06:32 | |
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| * b-man` 's ubuntu install is going on 4 months of age and is still going strong on his N800 btw :) | 06:34 | |
| b-man` | as of tomorrow | 06:35 |
| b-man` | 21st | 06:35 |
| kcowolf | b-man: thanks for all your help on this, and thanks for doing it in the first place... one of the biggest motivations behind getting the n810 | 06:35 |
| b-man` | no problem :) | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | kdelibs 23% | 06:40 |
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| luke-jr | 36% kdelbis :D | 07:10 |
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| spcui | Can anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810? | 07:19 |
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| kcowolf | b-man: still around? | 07:21 |
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| b-man` | i'm still here :) | 07:25 |
| * b-man` needs to go to bed soon though | 07:25 | |
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| Guest8049_147 | i can make apt-get install diablo free non free source in ubuntu cause | 07:39 |
| Guest8049_147 | echo "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non- free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list | 07:40 |
| Guest8049_147 | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_non-_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) | 07:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | which one is the preferred method to become root on the N810? ssh or...?s | 07:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, probably doesn't matter much when you set a password?s | 07:46 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, very well :) | 07:48 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | nice, nice | 07:50 |
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| kcowolf | shoot | 07:51 |
| kcowolf | forgot to do export LC_ALL=C before I started apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 07:51 |
| kcowolf | now I'm worried that's going to cause problems since it already tried to start the install | 07:52 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 08:37 |
| RST38h | Congratulations, lcuk | 08:37 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | there's no less?s | 08:46 |
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| thux | morning | 09:00 |
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| RST38h | moo thux. | 09:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | there's no pipe on the kbd of the N810?s | 09:05 |
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| RST38h | unfortunately, no | 09:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | doom, doom! | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Although you can install a custom kbd layout | 09:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, that'3s true | 09:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but there seems to be no 'less' either | 09:07 |
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| thux | more could be | 09:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I could live with most, if it has to be more | 09:10 |
| thux | i installed apps to tablet via ssh but some ui apps popup question which folder to be installed, how can i handle this via ssh? (long way from my tablet) | 09:11 |
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| thux | i don't see popup to ssh | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | vnc? | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that works also | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | try ssh -X user@tablet | 09:12 |
| thux | ok | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | (has to be enabled on the sshd too, though) | 09:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | (8dunno if it is) | 09:12 |
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| luke-jr | does anyone actually use KDE 4 on N810? :x | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | how do they manage around the Akonadi mess? | 09:15 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thux, it's already enabled... "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config in case it's not | 09:16 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | only madmen :-P | 09:16 |
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| thux | tried with ssh -X but still don't see the popup | 09:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, is there no such thing as s2ram//s2disk for the N80?s | 09:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thux, hm, you should - if you say echo $DISPLAY should say :10 | 09:19 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and if you call e.g. xterm (or whatever term you got there) it should open to zou | 09:19 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | might take a loong while though if your connection is slow | 09:19 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | x11 is not a very efficient protocol | 09:19 |
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| thux | echo $DISPLAY localhost:10.0 | 09:20 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | that's ok | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that'3s your ssh | 09:20 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | -tunnel | 09:21 |
| thux | ok | 09:21 |
| thux | i try wait longer | 09:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 09:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | is the Nokia using the X protocol?s | 09:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it surely doesn't run xorg... | 09:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thux, I'm only playing with it for a couple of hours... | 09:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so if it's in some fundamental way different than a pc, I wouldn't know | 09:23 |
| johnx | it's running xomap, an x server based on kdrive | 09:23 |
| johnx | but a lot of apps hardcode their DISPLAY variable | 09:24 |
| thux | dpkg --configure -a Setting up tear (0.3) ... Cache file created successfully. and there it hangs, probably waiting to that popup ok | 09:24 |
| johnx | they only look for :0 | 09:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | argh | 09:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's just crap then | 09:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, but xomap implements x11? | 09:24 |
| johnx | yeah, it's a fairly normal x server for most purposes | 09:25 |
| thux | but can't i tell dpkg somehow not to ask directory where install? | 09:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thux, perhaps try dpkg -force-help to see your options to force dpkg over... glitches | 09:25 |
| thux | ok | 09:26 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ... but I don't see any | 09:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | if you have x11vnc installed, you can see the screen | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: my N810 is running X.org :p | 09:29 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, how much of the memory does it use?s | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: about 5 MB of RAM according to top | 09:31 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | a lot less than my desktop... | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | your desktop has apps running ☺ | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | X stores resources for apps in its own memory space | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | I'm still working on KDE 4.2 | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | kdelibs is at 82% | 09:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can I change the default username of "user" to something else or is that hardcoded somewhere as well | 09:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, well... not running firefox might do it :) | 09:34 |
| johnx | it's hardcoded *everywhere* | 09:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | aaah | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | this kind of thing is why I am installing Gentoo -.- | 09:34 |
| johnx | also, I think x.org includes the size of the framebuffer as part of it's memory usage | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | Akonadi/MySQL scares me though | 09:35 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, gentoo? | 09:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you plan to compile everything?s | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: like I said, I'm 82% doen w/ kdelibs | 09:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like.... fun | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | :D | 09:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | endless fun | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | join us! | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | you can be #4 | 09:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | nah | 09:37 |
| johnx | some of us are working with ubuntu instead | 09:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I use Debian for... well enough years | 09:37 |
| johnx | putting the good parts of maemo on top of an ubuntu base | 09:37 |
| johnx | a *slim* ubuntu base | 09:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so if I switch, it'll be there | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | aw | 09:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but having stripped-down stuff makes sense | 09:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so I'll see for a while | 09:37 |
| johnx | sometimes it's worth the trade off and sometimes it isn't | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | we're using Gentoo's CFLAGS stuff to slim everything :D | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | yay -Os | 09:38 |
| johnx | we ended up deciding busybox vs coreutils wasn't worth it | 09:38 |
| johnx | err...that busybox wasn't worth it I mean, compared to coreutils | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | johnx: which direction? | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | ah | 09:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I understood that! | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | yeah, BusyBox pisses me off | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you use BASH as well then? | 09:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | battery getting empty | 09:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and I let the charger at uni | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | Ö | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | I never leave my charger anywhere | 09:40 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yup, bash as well | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | can't risk battery dying | 09:40 |
| johnx | too many bashisms in ubuntu :/ | 09:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... ~1 hour left is ok... not more until sleeping time anyay (20 to 2 am here) | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 09:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so is there any s2ram s2disk equivalent?s | 09:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it seems to really switch off when I switch it off | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: just leave it running XD | 09:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | probably the inactive state comes close to laptop sleep mode anyway | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | I don't think suspend to RAM would save much power, if any | 09:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah | 09:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | guess so | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | and there is no.. disk .. to save to | 09:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | of course! | 09:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I put a 8GB SD in there | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | heh | 09:41 |
| johnx | put it in offline mode to save a little more juice | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | SD is way too slow | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | you'd run out of power waiting | 09:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | nah | 09:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | how much memory does the 810 have?s | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | 128 MB | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | so 8 minutes to dump it all to SD | 09:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, you got a point | 09:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | heck, it'll boot faster than the 4 minutes it'd take to restore | 09:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You've got one slow goddamn SD. | 09:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | class 6 is 6MB/s | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: N810 is the bottleneck | 09:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minimum | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: I've never seen over 300 KB/sec on N810 | 09:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that makes it ... 20 seconds?s | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not the N810 | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | my SD card supports up to 9 MB/sec | 09:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but that'3s not the sd card then | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | 300KB/sec is definitely a problem with your card. | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: how would you suggest benchmarking? | 09:45 |
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| luke-jr | IIRC, the onyl time I've seen it was scp | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | so I suppose the CPU might be the bottleneck there | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | oh, and wget | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, for one, I get 800-900KB/sec sustained over SFTP | 09:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | bonnie++? :)9 | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | oh, maybe wifi | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | that could be it | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and about 2MB/sec on a USB transfer. | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, suspend to disk isn't going to take 8 minutes. | 09:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, half a minute for suspend to disk doesn't sound too bad to me | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, the battery saving still isn't going to be all that great. | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: what would you say the N810's limit is, then? someone earlier mentioned a kernel patch to improve it | 09:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, why?s | 09:47 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | what would still be running? | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Suspending and resuming isn't going to use less energy than a straight reboot. | 09:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it should essentially switched off during s2disk | 09:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no, not that | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: note even "power off" for N8x0 is not truly off | 09:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it essentially is a straight reboot - actually + reading 128MB | 09:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | mmm | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember, your system using basically max power during the write and read from disk. | 09:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sound's like a video recorder :( | 09:48 |
| thux | remove battery | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means unless you're suspending for more than a week it really isn't worth it. | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N810's powersaving is epic at idle. | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just need to make sure it's actually able to go idle. | 09:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so leaving it on can be better than switching it off?s | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's a 24/7 device | 09:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | allright | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The powersaving is designed to work when it's left on all the time. | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The efforts to improve efficiency have been put there and not into the reboot cycle. | 09:49 |
| johnx | idle, with screen off, in offline mode is usually good for 2 weeks solid | 09:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | also explains why the battery ran dry so fast just now | 09:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | after installing all that gpl stuff :) | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | johnx: 2 weeks? ö | 09:49 |
| RST38h | penguins ate it | 09:49 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yup, there were tests and everything :) | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30 days idle is the absolute max. | 09:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, penguins wanna live as well | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | I've never come close to 2 weeks, though I never leave it alone for more than a few hours | 09:50 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, also, the battery meter tends to get pessimistic right after you push it | 09:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh | 09:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's not called 'marvin' by any chance?s | 09:50 |
| johnx | heh | 09:51 |
| johnx | it's kind of "if you keep doing what you just did now, then you've only got x many hours left" | 09:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, it keeps saying I got an hour | 09:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what happens when it crashes?s | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: watchdog reboots | 09:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | does it shutdown to prevent?s | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Voltage also tends to drop dramatically under particularly heavy loads. | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | though it's more likely to false-positive than a real crash | 09:52 |
| johnx | yeah, it should shut down at critical battery | 09:52 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or does it rely on journaling file.... ok | 09:52 |
| johnx | it uses a journaling fs | 09:52 |
| johnx | jffs2 | 09:52 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 09:52 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what that sd card uses that I just pushed in | 09:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | if that's on fat, would be a good idea to change before I put stuff on | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | jffs2 doesn't work on MMC/SD | 09:53 |
| johnx | ext2 or 3 would be a fine choice if you don't want to use it with windows | 09:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | and journalling filesystems supposedly have the opposite effect on them | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | so ext2 | 09:54 |
| johnx | luke-jr, uhm, no | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're confusing wear leveling with journaling. | 09:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I don't touch windows with a 7 foot laserpointer if I can avoid it | 09:54 |
| johnx | then ext3 is a good bet | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: supposedly wear levelling makes journalling break on power failures? | 09:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What? | 09:54 |
| johnx | luke-jr, not disputing, but where did you hear that from? | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | Neuros head developer | 09:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | xfs would be fun to try if it can use it :) | 09:55 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, build yourself some kernel modules | 09:55 |
| thux | is ext4 support coming to tablets? | 09:55 |
| * luke-jr doesn't see a need for ext4 on his desktop, let alone his tablet. | 09:55 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | well, thanks for the info... this has been enlightened me quite a bit in a short time :) | 09:56 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, sure. actually, someone might have built xfs.ko, but it's easy enough to compile yourself | 09:57 |
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| johnx | thux, probably not unless a newer kernel becomes more usable | 09:57 |
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| thux | ok | 09:57 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, btw. anyone connected an usb keyboard to an N810 yet?s | 09:59 |
| johnx | yup, all the time | 09:59 |
| johnx | well, an n800 actually | 09:59 |
| tbf | thux: i don't think ext4 is optimized for flash drives yet. so what would be the use of supporting ext4 on tablets? | 09:59 |
| johnx | same difference | 09:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right | 09:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | need to install anything for that?s | 09:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, but you'll want an OTG adaptor. | 10:00 |
| thux | tbf: i was just curious cause everybody seems to talk about it | 10:00 |
| johnx | if you don't use an OTG adapter you have to manually put it into host mode with software | 10:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yes, notice the adapter thing | 10:00 |
| johnx | there's a couple little GUI front ends | 10:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 10:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Software solution is a pain | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worth it to get the $6 part. | 10:00 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, the little statusbar icon isn't bad | 10:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ui | 10:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not good for the ebook-like pdfs | 10:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, zoom | 10:03 |
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| thux | reiserfs was before popular talk subject but development slowed down | 10:03 |
| tbf | thux: not sure if ext4 is worth the hype | 10:03 |
| thux | always wondered why linux support so many filesystems | 10:04 |
| tbf | thux: not much faster than ext3 it seems, not safer and it's author didn't understands his users' needs until recently | 10:04 |
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| tbf | well. also not sure if he understands them now | 10:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, need xpdf, though | 10:04 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | thux, only practice makes perfect :.-P | 10:04 |
| thux | :) | 10:05 |
| tbf | thux: seems some people have fun in implementing file systems :-) | 10:05 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, what about evince, epdfview or the built-in pdf viewer? | 10:05 |
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| thux | is ext2 still faster than all journaling fs? | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 <-- useful infos ☺ | 10:06 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, which of them has continious-view?s | 10:07 |
| johnx | dunno, actually | 10:07 |
| johnx | to be honest I hit my pdf ebooks with pdftohtml and use fbreader | 10:07 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | mm, yeah | 10:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I normally convert to pdf for the laptop | 10:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | latex-made is hard to beat | 10:08 |
| johnx | there's fbreader for desktop linux too | 10:08 |
| luke-jr | according to this, journals (and swap) effectively disable wear levelling ö | 10:08 |
| johnx | <- fbreader fan | 10:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think html comes close | 10:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I can give it a try | 10:08 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, nice find | 10:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | between a rock and a hard place... | 10:12 |
| johnx | I decided to just go journalling | 10:12 |
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| johnx | I haven't lost an sd card yet that I know is do to bad blocks caused by too many writes | 10:13 |
| luke-jr | johnx: point 4 is quite scary | 10:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well | 10:14 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | jffs2?s | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: jffs2 will NOT work on SD/MMC | 10:14 |
| johnx | can't be used on a block device | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: it is not an option | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | would be nice if the SD/MMC specs had a way to do it tho :/ | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | instead of this block emulation crap | 10:14 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: I found that 8 GB doesn't take too long to fsck, so I will stick with ext2 regardless XD | 10:16 |
| johnx | luke-jr, point 4 is scary, yes. but I haven't run into a flash device with issues with non-FAT filesystems in the last several years | 10:16 |
| johnx | luke-jr, if you can fsck it, then good for you | 10:16 |
| johnx | I'm sure I would have lost data by now if I wasn't using a journal | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | oh? | 10:17 |
| luke-jr | I don't think I've ever experienced loss with ext2 | 10:17 |
| johnx | had to pull the battery plenty of times :) | 10:17 |
| luke-jr | why would you lose anything? | 10:18 |
| luke-jr | other than recent changes I mean | 10:18 |
| johnx | if anything was open for writing it could be corrupted | 10:18 |
| johnx | a journal means that writes are atomic | 10:18 |
| johnx | no journal = no guarantee of consistency | 10:18 |
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| johnx | also, corruption of some random file tends to show up later, not right away | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 10:20 |
| johnx | yeah | 10:20 |
| johnx | nothing like chasing down some weird problem only to find out it's just a corrupted config file | 10:20 |
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| johnx | another note: I'm pretty sure mmc (aka sd) uses *slightly* different wear leveling than smart media | 10:21 |
| johnx | I have a link to a white paper somewhere if you're interested | 10:21 |
| luke-jr | johnx: he was referring to non-smartmedia | 10:22 |
| Shadow__X | what about the 2gd internal card | 10:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | fbreader displays too many chars/line, though | 10:22 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, zoom in? | 10:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | should be around ... say 70 | 10:22 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | mmm | 10:22 |
| luke-jr | Shadow__X: I don't write to it if I can help it. | 10:22 |
| johnx | yeah, a soldered on sd card would worry me a little | 10:22 |
| Shadow__X | luke-jr, what if you flashed the n810 to it | 10:23 |
| johnx | luke-jr, he was saying they use smart media-style wear leveling | 10:23 |
| luke-jr | johnx: the implication was that everyone borrows it | 10:23 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, and I'm saying I read the mmc white paper on wear leveling and it seemed different | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, you're looking for the settings. | 10:23 |
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| johnx | you don't have to trust me. I can find the link | 10:23 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 10:24 |
| johnx | hi Khertan | 10:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, yeah, that could work | 10:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | pretty huge on the laptop... | 10:25 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | well, lemme try | 10:25 |
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| veiz | hi, wanna to know if there are available JVM for 810 | 10:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, thanks again | 10:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and... damn - I *knew* this useless toy would eat up my time :) | 10:29 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, heh. you have no idea :) | 10:29 |
| johnx | but, it's a lot of fun | 10:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I'm getting it... I am | 10:29 |
| johnx | veiz, checked uout jalimo? | 10:29 |
| veiz | 3x, check it now | 10:30 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | nite | 10:33 |
| johnx | 'night CutMeOwnThroat | 10:34 |
| Shadow__X | what toy is useless | 10:37 |
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| johnx | Shadow__X, a bicycle with no wheels | 10:43 |
| Shadow__X | is a bicycle considered a toy? | 10:43 |
| johnx | depends on the context I guess | 10:44 |
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| Shadow__X | right | 10:44 |
| Shadow__X | also size of bike | 10:44 |
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| Shadow__X | if its a trike with 6 inch tires | 10:44 |
| johnx | or if it's more than 10 feet tall | 10:45 |
| Shadow__X | right | 10:45 |
| johnx | http://google.com/images?q=tall+bikes | 10:45 |
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| Shadow__X | http://www.google.com/images?q=tall+bikes&hl=en&imgcolor=green | 10:47 |
| Shadow__X | now with green | 10:47 |
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| wazd | Weeeee, we won GSoC!11 | 10:51 |
| wazd | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo | 10:51 |
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| johnx | woo! really looking forward to that news reader! | 10:52 |
| wazd | And lcuk is 2nd :P na-na-na-naaa-na :D Just kidding :) | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | wazd: which one is yours? | 11:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? | 11:34 |
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| wazd | RST38h: first one :) | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | pong | 11:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, the maemo.org beta logo on newstyle has a lighter background than the header. | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yep | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Tim messed up | 11:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: the most surprising project is definitely "IM for Canola" :) | 11:36 |
| johnx | bittorrent for canola is a little suprising too | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, there's something funky with tabbing and the login forms, too. | 11:37 |
| * Stskeeps thinks there should have been more variety | 11:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and fewer pointless addons to Canola. :P | 11:37 |
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| wazd | No, maybe they are interesting like PoC but -IM-, dude... | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | oh well. at least there's one project to look forward to. | 11:39 |
| johnx | a couple actually | 11:39 |
| wazd | johnx: Sts meant Mer ofcourse :D | 11:39 |
| johnx | barcode, the news reader, liqbase and picasa for canola would be nice | 11:39 |
| StsN800 | mm | 11:39 |
| johnx | wazd, well, goes without saying ;) | 11:40 |
| * StsN800 is just grumpy mainlining kernel didn't get in but canola/im did. | 11:41 | |
| wjt | why exactly are people putting non-Telepathy IM into Canola? | 11:43 |
| wjt | like, the tablets *have* an IM framework | 11:43 |
| wazd | wjt: why exactly people putting -any- IM in Canola :) | 11:44 |
| wjt | wazd: a fair point, well made | 11:44 |
| wjt | i hear someone's also putting remember the milk into canola or something? | 11:44 |
| johnx | now all it needs is a good text editor and a lisp interpreter ... | 11:45 |
| wazd | wjt: it's one of the winners too :) | 11:45 |
| wjt | wazd: right | 11:45 |
| wazd | johnx: I heard "emacs"?) | 11:45 |
| wjt | johnx: well, if they embedded elisp then they could use http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ELIM rather than libpurple directly :D | 11:45 |
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| thux | tear looks promishing if it runs, how to properly stop tablet-daemon to start at boot? | 11:49 |
| thux | remove it from run level | 11:50 |
| johnx | sounds good to me | 11:50 |
| thux | ok | 11:51 |
| wazd | Thats just awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MoJQGcozug | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What's up with the login form? | 11:56 |
| wazd | two guys analysing latest MS Ad :D | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, it randomly clears the contents when I tab from one field to the next. | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Occasionally making it impossible to login. | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it clears on entry. | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | So if you tab back, it clears again. | 11:57 |
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| X-Fade | But why would you do that ;) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah | 11:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: But, what is the deal about the IM for Canola project? Is it REALLY needed? I mean, pidgin does work... | 11:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: same point here :) | 11:59 |
| * RST38h wishes Canola guys would make their app smaller, more stable, and faster loading (40 seconds is ridiculous) | 12:00 | |
| wazd | http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0904/02/f966e2e31d14.png <- My icon for "Mnemosyne for Maemo" btw :) | 12:01 |
| wazd | It | 12:01 |
| wazd | it's called "Pomni" :) | 12:01 |
| StsN800 | X-Fade, think it would be interesting to experiment with Transifex (using mer & shared maemo packages as context) and maemo.org in advance of the harmattan stuff to give maemo.org & community experience? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: why not replace P with a cockroach? =) | 12:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: with brainslug :) | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, a variety of reasons. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, either way, it's broken. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, worse, rtcomm works. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, startup is a lot faster in recent releases. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once indexing is offloaded to Tracker it'll be even faster. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | General: 25 seconds. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | It is not indexing anything, I have that turned off | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Just plain loading Python libs | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | 25 != 40 | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried python-launcher? | 12:05 |
| * RST38h never understood General's love for rtcomm and dislike to camel casing | 12:05 | |
| RST38h | General: Yes, does not help | 12:06 |
| RST38h | General: It is 40 seconds "cold", 25 seconds consequent runs | 12:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, camel casing is appropriate only where it's appropriate | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki is not where it's appropriate. | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like rtcomm because it works and it doesn't clutter up the place like Pidgin. | 12:08 |
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| Khertan1 | Hello | 12:09 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:10 |
| wazd | Khertan, florian: heya | 12:11 |
| Khertan1 | hi wazd | 12:11 |
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| wazd | btw, I've checked new gmail for iphone/G1 with the tablet | 12:15 |
| wazd | It's so dumb | 12:15 |
| Khertan1 | haha | 12:15 |
| Khertan1 | there is a new gmail css for iphone ? | 12:15 |
| wazd | it's hardcoded to 320px width | 12:15 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 12:15 |
| Khertan1 | as the older | 12:15 |
| wazd | jeez, thats 19th century! | 12:15 |
| Khertan1 | and all iPhone related things | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | StsN800: Yeah, we really should look at what we could offer for doing community translations. | 12:15 |
| wazd | But the dumbest thing is | 12:16 |
| wazd | that it scales while loading | 12:16 |
| wazd | scales pretty fine | 12:16 |
| wazd | and then Bam! 320 | 12:16 |
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| wazd | So it means people even on the iphone or G1 are forced to use that stuff in portrait mode. | 12:19 |
| StsN800 | heh | 12:19 |
| wazd | I wonder how to type in portrait mode with G1 :) | 12:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: May a few statements to the default .css file help though? | 12:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fixed width is so silly. | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're arbitrarily limiting your users for no reason. | 12:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: Itdoesn't matter how you can fix this, matters that such a large company as Google, that caresbout standards'n'stuff, actually does that kind of crap :) | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Maybe they have a reason | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Maybe they implicitely do not want non-gphone users access it? | 12:26 |
| wazd | RST38h: okay, but how G1 user can normally use it in landscape mode/type? | 12:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.everyjoe.com/thegadgetblog/files/2008/09/g1-phone.jpg | 12:29 |
| RST38h | that's how | 12:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I talk bout gmail :) | 12:36 |
| wazd | http://www.mrmobileblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/200904081854.jpg | 12:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah shit | 12:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: and it does not even scale to 320x240 as opposed to 240x320? | 12:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 12:39 |
| RST38h | the guy who has done it ought to be whipped | 12:39 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0904/0e/4013c5e6f9ad.jpg <- just raw 320 | 13:00 |
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| lcuk | wazd, liqbase wasn't second - it was selected :) | 14:05 |
| lcuk | well, zachs proposal was accepted rather | 14:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: gratz anyway :) | 14:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: Don't know what does that mean, but cool anyway :D | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | wazd, i did nothing for this, zach came to me with an idea for an app and it fitted in extremely well with the next few months of liqbase development | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I have one simple question for Nokia: | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the _fuck_ is a "Sharing plug-in"?! | 14:30 |
| sampo | sharing is caring | 14:30 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Gone, hopefully. It'll be an Ovi video plugin, an Ovi music plugin, an Ovi photo plugin and an Ovi chat plugin. | 14:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c13 | 14:31 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh FFS. I saw andre's comment but hadn't seen qgil's | 14:33 |
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| andre___ | tss, tss! :-P | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c15 | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what I said, but without the bile. ;) | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | Hehe I try to be as nice as possible ;) | 14:38 |
| thux | GeneralAntilles: you asked from nokia, is here somebody who speaks behave of nokia? | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, re: 4298, it seems like there's enough space to keep the breadcrumb there without having to pad the header down farther. | 14:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thux, there are lots of Nokians, only very infrequently any who can speak on behalf of Nokia in an official capacity. | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and then only on certain specific subjects. | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but not on the front page? | 14:39 |
| thux | ok | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, it seems like just reducing the padding/margins on the breadcrumbs should be enough. | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's just by a quick comparison of newstyle.maemo.org and newstyle.maemo.org/downloads | 14:40 |
| andre___ | Yeah, the answer to "what is a sharing plug-in" definitely leads to answers like "ovi". | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but there was this other bug where Tim wanted more spacing between breadcrumb and top nav. That is why there is so much space now ;) | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | andre___: I'm sure Nokia would love it if we populated it with thepiratebay.org plugins :) | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, lol. | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh whore | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comment's sitting in a mid-air | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn you, X-Fade! | 14:41 |
| andre___ | Jaffa, sounds more like Extras category to me than officially shipped stuff ;-) | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well then you don't have to apologize for your rude comment ;) | 14:42 |
| Jaffa | Mmmm, bile :) | 14:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles vomits. | 14:43 | |
| lopz | hola | 14:44 |
| * andre___ offers another beer for breakfast to GeneralAntilles | 14:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a mean drunk, do you really want MORE bile? :P | 14:45 |
| andre___ | well, seems you're still quite productive when being drunk :-P | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ovi is so silly | 14:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Social networking that's limited to people who own Nokia products is about as ridiculous as it gets. | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I kind of like that I can take a picture and it is automatically added to my album etc. | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | A Flickr plugin would be better. | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | Well, there are ;) | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | It is in my N95 by default. | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | And ovi has an open API, IIRC? | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | As yerga created pyshare for it, I think? | 14:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I say we break down and just create a category for every Nokia brand. | 14:59 |
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| AFBlack | funny I didn't know I was online at home until I couldn't login at work | 16:06 |
| StsN800 | lo afb | 16:07 |
| StsN800 | how's it going? | 16:07 |
| AFBlack | going good Mer is looking good btw | 16:08 |
| StsN800 | ta | 16:08 |
| StsN800 | moving nicely ahead6 | 16:08 |
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| StsN800 | lo rkirti | 16:09 |
| rkirti | StsN800, hello! | 16:09 |
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| AFBlack | anyone seen x-fade today? | 16:10 |
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| * AFBlack needs to find someone to donate a server hosting for Maemobox.org | 16:22 | |
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| StsN800 | might be difficult | 16:23 |
| timsamoff | AFBlack: He's in #maemo-meeting right now. | 16:23 |
| AFBlack | yeah, everyone likes download off maemobox but not helping :) | 16:23 |
| AFBlack | timsamoff: is he talking there now? | 16:23 |
| timsamoff | AFBlack: Yes, we're in a maemo.org redesign meeting right now. | 16:24 |
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| AFBlack | ohh well I don't want to both your meeting | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:25 |
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| Macer | hello | 16:33 |
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| StsN800 | lo | 16:34 |
| Macer | hey StsN800 .. still in poland? | 16:35 |
| woglinde | sts is on poland? | 16:35 |
| Macer | someone probably stole your n800 from your place by now :) | 16:35 |
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| Macer | haha | 16:35 |
| woglinde | lol | 16:35 |
| StsN800 | yup. package waiting for me | 16:35 |
| Macer | where does your pkg wait? | 16:35 |
| StsN800 | in post office | 16:35 |
| Macer | how long do they keep it there? | 16:35 |
| StsN800 | 14 days | 16:36 |
| StsN800 | picking it up friday | 16:36 |
| Macer | well.. at least i know sending stuff international usps works :) | 16:36 |
| Macer | haha | 16:36 |
| Macer | castle is an awesome show | 16:37 |
| StsN800 | bbl | 16:38 |
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| svu_ | alterego? | 16:43 |
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| * svu_ feels it is time to bury ruby on maemo publicly... and mourn | 16:46 | |
| woglinde | *g* | 16:46 |
| thopiekar | hi.. is sudser available on os2007, too? | 16:46 |
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| thopiekar | i mean the package in the programmanager called sudser .. | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | svu: Don't mourn too much, another scripting-language-of-the-day will come up in the next month or two | 16:50 |
| woglinde | rst *g* | 16:50 |
| woglinde | I dont think so | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Hey, Sts, how is .PL? | 16:50 |
| Khertan1 | lol | 16:51 |
| jaska | the perl tld | 16:51 |
| RST38h | woglinde: "You think you see no giant carnivorous hamster, but It exists!" | 16:51 |
| woglinde | rst In russia I bet | 16:51 |
| RST38h | woglinde: yes, soothe yourself with this thought... =) | 16:52 |
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| woglinde | hi udovdh | 16:52 |
| Macer | i love nexenta.. i sure wish it would run on my artigo | 16:52 |
| udovdh | hello woglinde | 16:52 |
| * Khertan1 has finally understand how qt works | 16:53 | |
| woglinde | khertan gratz | 16:53 |
| Khertan1 | a little different approch from gtk | 16:53 |
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| woglinde | khertan yes you dont have thousands of _inits() | 16:53 |
| Khertan1 | woglinde: in python we don't have thousands of _inits() | 16:54 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 16:54 |
| Macer | gtk needs to go away :) | 16:54 |
| Khertan1 | to be honest at this time i didn't see any advantage to use qt instead of gtk on the nits | 16:55 |
| Khertan1 | instead of some developpers advantage | 16:55 |
| Khertan1 | s/instead/excepts | 16:55 |
| Macer | it looks better | 16:55 |
| woglinde | macer yes | 16:55 |
| Khertan1 | macer : not really ... | 16:55 |
| Khertan1 | currently gtk look better on maemo than qt | 16:56 |
| woglinde | khertan hm I like to prgoramm in c++ more | 16:56 |
| Macer | i think it does.. at the very least the apps seem more uniform | 16:56 |
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| Macer | like always having ok and cancel on teh same sides | 16:56 |
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| Khertan1 | "at the very least the apps " << yep white widget on white box | 16:56 |
| Khertan1 | all things is white | 16:57 |
| Macer | but then again i'm sure that's a dev thing.. but it seems that they don't pay attention to it :) | 16:57 |
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| Macer | yeah... plus. i don't know what it is.. but it looks old and dated | 16:57 |
| Macer | like an advanced windows 3.11 :) | 16:57 |
| Khertan1 | Macer ... depending on theme | 16:57 |
| woglinde | macer nope | 16:57 |
| woglinde | antonio works hard on it | 16:58 |
| Macer | well. i'm just saying with qt you could see an obvious advancement in kde | 16:59 |
| Macer | with gtk the apps look like they're mid 90s :) | 16:59 |
| Khertan1 | Macer ... hum ... | 17:00 |
| Khertan1 | really ? | 17:00 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | the default gtk theme is pretty bad | 17:00 |
| Khertan1 | the default | 17:00 |
| woglinde | so you mean gtk looks now how kde looked in version1 | 17:00 |
| Khertan1 | but look at the default qt theme on nit | 17:01 |
| Khertan1 | it s worst | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | sometimes I see people post screenshots of gtk apps using the default theme | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | I cannot understand those people | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | now the default gnome theme is pretty | 17:01 |
| Khertan1 | http://khertan.net/softwares/mCalendar/screenshot-5.png | 17:01 |
| Khertan1 | it s a gtk apps | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | much prettier than any of the kde themes I've ever seen | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linux has a problem with shitty defaults. | 17:01 |
| * mgedmin puts on asbestos underwear | 17:01 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | KDE 4's default theme is gag-worthy. | 17:01 |
| woglinde | generall you mean the kernel? | 17:02 |
| woglinde | cde looks like 80s | 17:02 |
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| Khertan1 | hum ... sorry for having launching this troll | 17:02 |
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| woglinde | khertan no prob | 17:03 |
| Khertan1 | so to close the things ... i ll suggest you some great theme for your gnome desktop : http://francois.vogelweith.com/ | 17:03 |
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| thux | about candy, is new tablet going to be 3d accelerated? that compiz etc will work? | 17:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's using Clutter | 17:06 |
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| woglinde | with gles | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 17:07 |
| woglinde | this should be answer enough | 17:07 |
| woglinde | clutter ang gles I mean | 17:07 |
| lcuk | thux the new tablet uses a clutter based compositing manager | 17:07 |
| woglinde | and | 17:07 |
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| woglinde | re lcuk | 17:07 |
| thux | then 3d yes | 17:07 |
| lcuk | hi lol | 17:08 |
| thux | and gaming is more advanced too | 17:08 |
| lcuk | yes thux, ymmv as to how to get 3d into your app | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | but im not here now lol | 17:09 |
| lcuk | bbl | 17:09 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: get 3D in apps is really easy with 4D Glasses and Some Vectrex like Filter | 17:09 |
| Khertan1 | 3D glasses | 17:09 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, wouldnt the edges of the cubes chafe on your face a bit? | 17:10 |
| Khertan1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg | 17:10 |
| Khertan1 | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg | 17:10 |
| Khertan1 | sorry here is the right link | 17:11 |
| thux | tuxracer on tablets then | 17:11 |
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| Khertan1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbGRkdHPqlc << the best game i ve ever play | 17:13 |
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| woglinde | khertan lol the gamepad | 17:17 |
| Khertan1 | yeah but the gamepad was robust | 17:17 |
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| Khertan1 | this was a very old console ... the first one to not done graphic pixel by pixel | 17:18 |
| Khertan1 | his name vectrex ... come from vectoriel | 17:18 |
| Khertan1 | the screen display line ... not pix | 17:18 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 17:18 |
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| Khertan1 | Motorola 68A09 cadencé à 1.6 MHz | 17:19 |
| Khertan1 | this is the cpu | 17:19 |
| Khertan1 | with 1Ko of ram | 17:19 |
| Khertan1 | and 8Ko for the BIOS :) | 17:19 |
| Khertan1 | and in this 8Ko there is the game minefield | 17:19 |
| woglinde | uh and they have rtype | 17:19 |
| woglinde | as game | 17:19 |
| wazd | Hostile enviroment in deep space! | 17:19 |
| Khertan1 | screen : Samsung 240RB40 noir et blanc vectoriel | 17:19 |
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| Khertan1 | it s not rtype ... | 17:20 |
| woglinde | scramble | 17:20 |
| woglinde | yes yes | 17:20 |
| Khertan1 | it s better ! | 17:20 |
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| Khertan1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpYOy2qp9OI | 17:20 |
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| woglinde | hm why this console was no sucess | 17:21 |
| Khertan1 | too expensive | 17:21 |
| woglinde | never heard of it before | 17:22 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 17:22 |
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| Khertan1 | she was made in 1982 | 17:22 |
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| Khertan1 | at this time where only a few elitist people own there own micro computer | 17:23 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:23 |
| woglinde | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vMliUZxQeU&feature=related | 17:23 |
| Khertan1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983 | 17:24 |
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| Khertan1 | i like how they do colors :) | 17:26 |
| Khertan1 | but in your video this is not the original gamepad | 17:27 |
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| woglinde | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex | 17:29 |
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| woglinde | khertan it is explained in the wiki acrticle | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Vectrex was too weird | 17:31 |
| woglinde | okay | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Its failure had nothing to do with the videogame crash, it was just too weird | 17:31 |
| woglinde | will go home | 17:31 |
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| Khertan1 | RST38h: are you kidding ? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Khertan: No | 17:32 |
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| woglinde | bye till later | 17:33 |
| Khertan1 | haha ... | 17:33 |
| Khertan1 | this was far away better than some actual console ! | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Khertan: See Virtual Boy for the more recent example of the same | 17:34 |
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| Khertan1 | virtual boy is a failure because each time someone use it more than 10 minutes he goes ill | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | That too | 17:34 |
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| Khertan1 | you can get ill by using a vectrex : | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: you can get color blind though, as it had no chrominance or luminance controls | 17:36 |
| Khertan1 | lol | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | All in all, it was an amusing piece of hardware, pretty much like VB | 17:37 |
| Khertan1 | did you have really try it ? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Yea | 17:37 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... are you sure this is a vectrex ? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | And we did a similar thing with a standard oscilloscope back in high school times | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Khertan; Well, it looked like one, seen it at a flea market | 17:38 |
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| Khertan1 | yes so you never really play with it | 17:38 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: It was turned on and people played with it | 17:39 |
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| Khertan1 | as i ve play with one when i was younger ... | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Khertan: I started playing on an MSX | 17:39 |
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| Khertan1 | and really ... it s really better than the other things that exists | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Khertan: So, I measure most these systems by MSX standards | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Well, it is a vector based device, so it is DIFFERENT. As to being better, I wouldn't bet on it | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nostalgia is the most important metric for determining the relative awesomeness of old consoles. ;) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | That is another department where women do better than hardware though =) | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows what happens with x86 rol eax,cl when cl>31? | 17:45 |
| RST38h | found it., ok | 17:45 |
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| thux | RST38h: rol, eax, cl what those cpu commands? | 17:48 |
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| RST38h | rol is an x86 assembler instruction | 17:49 |
| thux | ok | 17:49 |
| RST38h | eax is what is known as "accumulator" in Intel world | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | cl is just an 8bit register specifying shift amount | 17:49 |
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| * mgedmin wonders if there was ever an instruction set with a lol instruction | 17:50 | |
| RST38h | Nope | 17:50 |
| RST38h | But there was HCF, if that strikes your fancy | 17:51 |
| thux | persistent urban rumor sayz (heard it many times) that linus went to help intel with p4 instructions, i never believed that thou | 17:53 |
| RST38h | Linux went to Transmeta, not Intel | 17:54 |
| RST38h | But the rumor may have some grounds in that pesky divizion bug | 17:54 |
| thux | that is true | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | thux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | Actually, wrong bug, wait =) | 17:55 |
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| Khertan1 | bye | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | Here, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F00f | 17:55 |
| thux | thanks | 17:56 |
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| thux | btw cause low level experts around, i ask something off topic which has bother me :) got two years old lap turion64 which got acpi dsdt bug, some say purposely written (phoenix bios) bother linux works with vista, is there a way go around dsdt bugs? (tried all acpi and apic options in grub) | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | Get yourself a geniune Intel-based laptop? =) | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | actually it looks like this is a chipset bug | 18:11 |
| thux | ok | 18:12 |
| pupnik_ | many great engineers at intel | 18:13 |
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| pupnik_ | but i will never forgive 8088 | 18:14 |
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| thux | if i use linux all the fans are full speed all the time cause fan control ain't work | 18:15 |
| |dl9pf| | thux: if you find/found a correct dsdt, you can load it with the kernel | 18:15 |
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| thux | |dl9pf|: yes they say that can even rewrite buggy parts if knows acpi language | 18:16 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Is 8088 any worse than the rest of them? =) | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | it turned me off real coding when i was a wee lad | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: well, things have not improved much =) | 18:41 |
| RST38h | pupnik: with x86 architecture, I mean, not with you =) | 18:41 |
| pupnik_ | both | 18:42 |
| pupnik_ | but its all ok | 18:42 |
| pupnik_ | we are imperfect | 18:42 |
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| thopiekar | how can a os2007 user execute a command as root? | 18:47 |
| gomiam | you can install becomeroot... | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | by getting root access using one of the documented methods, one of them being becomeroot | 18:47 |
| thopiekar | where can i get it? | 18:47 |
| gomiam | and osso-xterm | 18:47 |
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| mgedmin | I think installing openssh-server on os2007 also let you set the root password, or was that new in os2008? | 18:47 |
| RST38h | openssh is the best solution IMHO | 18:48 |
| thopiekar | I need it because someone of the german maemo forum (n800.de) has trouble with his tablet | 18:48 |
| * qwerty12 likes sudser for OS2008 | 18:48 | |
| thopiekar | RST38h: I just need the easiest way ;) | 18:48 |
| gomiam | mgedmin: openssh-server let you do that on os2007 too. | 18:48 |
| thopiekar | sudser is fine, but not available for os2007 | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Er, yes, hence the OS2008 ;) | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | so the package is called becomeroot? | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | has I can remember the user is able to get root with sudo gainroot right? | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | .. | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | there were two versions of becomeroot, 0.1 and 0.2 | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | they used different ways of granting root access | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | one let you sudo su, the other let you sudo gainroot, IIRC | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | sudo gainroot is also what you can use if you enable r&d mode with the flasher | 18:54 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: ssh is the easiest way as you can log in remotely | 18:54 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: otherwise, it is either virtual keyboard or whatever n810 abomination is called | 18:55 |
| thopiekar | RST38h: I don't think it'S the easiest way for a beginner.. | 18:55 |
| thopiekar | the user has joined the forum the last days.. | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | ok | 18:56 |
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| mgedmin | "beginner" and "root access" don't exactly mesh | 19:10 |
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| thopiekar | mgedmin: :P | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | on the other hand, he has to brick his tablet for the first time, hasn't he? | 19:29 |
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| Guest7846_680 | someone have a tip for generate a code for base64 image (whit space at rigth place for control files) ??? | 20:06 |
| RST38h | uuencode -m | 20:06 |
| Guest7846_680 | and what path | 20:07 |
| RST38h | man uuencode | 20:08 |
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| Guest7846_680 | so is root@pubuntu:/home# x.png uuencode -m | 20:11 |
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| Guest7846_680 | ? | 20:12 |
| RST38h | mmm | 20:12 |
| RST38h | you probably want to start by reading some introductory book on Unix | 20:12 |
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| Guest7846_680 | iam better learning when i practice | 20:13 |
| Guest7846_680 | h/h/ | 20:13 |
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| Guest7846_680 | but tx | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | practice running a program called "man" then | 20:14 |
| RST38h | "man uuencode" will tell you all you need to know about uuencode | 20:14 |
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| woglinde | a programm from the stoneage | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | it works. | 20:23 |
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| RST38h | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9341_Will_the_Visible_Operating_Sys.php | 20:24 |
| woglinde | rst I know | 20:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | woglinde, has to be good if the druids used it to program their stone-circles | 20:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | bug-free :) | 20:25 |
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| Guest7846_680 | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 ???? | 20:35 |
| Guest7846_680 | what this mean | 20:36 |
| woglinde | that the debian/changelog file has an error | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | Or it doesn't exist... | 20:36 |
| woglinde | qwerty12 right | 20:36 |
| Guest7846_680 | this files is very necessary? for build a pack | 20:37 |
| woglinde | yes | 20:37 |
| Guest7846_680 | ok | 20:37 |
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| Guest7846_680 | and how i can know my error in if he exist already | 20:37 |
| woglinde | hm new ubuntu in 2 days | 20:38 |
| woglinde | netbook remix next week | 20:38 |
| woglinde | and kernel will be .24 for poulsbo chipset I bet | 20:38 |
| thux | about compiling programs, c | 20:38 |
| thux | ups | 20:38 |
| thux | can i do same than in pc? | 20:39 |
| woglinde | thux what? | 20:39 |
| thux | configure make | 20:39 |
| thux | make install | 20:39 |
| woglinde | configure make runs on many platforms | 20:39 |
| thux | in tablet too? | 20:40 |
| woglinde | if you like sm yes | 20:40 |
| thux | what is the problem? geting through configure? | 20:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | noki | 20:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ops | 20:42 |
| woglinde | thux the speed | 20:42 |
| thux | ah | 20:42 |
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| Guest7846_680 | i cant find where is my error in the changelog file | 20:47 |
| Guest7846_680 | maybe i not save it in good way | 20:47 |
| woglinde | guest diff it with a working one | 20:48 |
| thux | woglinde: theoritically i could pull firefox source to tablet and start to configure? would i get binaries that run at some point? no architechture problems? | 20:50 |
| woglinde | theoretical it should work | 20:51 |
| woglinde | but you need 2 gb extened card | 20:51 |
| StsN800 | practically busybox is a pita | 20:51 |
| woglinde | sts haha type bash | 20:52 |
| woglinde | *ducks and hide* | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | thux: theoretically yes, practically don't | 21:00 |
| thux | cause busybox? | 21:01 |
| StsN800 | and sanity | 21:01 |
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| id10t | 'lo all | 21:43 |
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| id10t | i've got a n770, had it for a long time, but its been a while since i've updated... whats the latest OS I can run on it? | 21:44 |
| StsN800 | os2008he, or mer | 21:45 |
| id10t | cool, thanks | 21:45 |
| id10t | gonna update tonight | 21:45 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | a-gps | 21:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | damnit | 21:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | again | 21:46 |
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| robtaylor | CutMeOwnThroat: dibbler? | 21:48 |
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| VDVsx | StsN800, how is going the promotion of maemo/mozilla event ? | 21:49 |
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| StsN800 | VDVsx, not sure. would be nicer with more mer peeps | 21:53 |
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| Shadow__X | CutMeOwnThroat, have you gotten gps locks to come down in time | 21:57 |
| VDVsx | StsN800, I just spamed some LinkedIn mobile groups with the event :P, probably is there some DK people, promotion at the university that will held the event will be probably good to attract more people too. | 21:58 |
| StsN800 | VDVsx, k sounds good | 21:58 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | robtaylor, saussageinnabun? | 22:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | today with free mustard! | 22:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow__X? | 22:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, just fooling around with it for the first time | 22:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that a-gps should have gone into google, but the mouse moved | 22:28 |
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| Shadow__X | ah ok | 22:31 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | trying to figure what software one should use for the gps | 22:32 |
| Shadow__X | agps will help aquistion times | 22:34 |
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| Shadow__X | it gives a closer area to search for gps satellite | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.raiden.net/articles/big_things_come_in_little_packages_an_overview_of_the_maemo_project/ | 22:35 |
| Khertan_mer_mibb | hello ! | 22:35 |
| Khertan_mer_mibb | stskeep: your repository is down ? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so wrong, I can't help but think it's satire. | 22:36 |
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| Khertan | Hello 2 :) | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | moo khertan | 22:57 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I like the way he gets upset on ITT when Gizmodo or someone gets a new device to play with and he, as a serious blogg^Wjournalist, doesn't. | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | Oh, Comic Sans MS. I didn't even know I had it on this box. How irritating. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:02 |
| * RST38h likes Comic Sans MS. Ho ho ho | 23:02 | |
| RST38h | (*not* everywhere though =)) | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's got to be satire. | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh god, that's almost like The Onion does Maemo. | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: From his ITT persona, I'd doubt it. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I doubt it too | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I can't believe it. | 23:03 |
| * Jaffa also likes the hideously broken character encoding | 23:03 | |
| Jaffa | (since I seem to spend every other week diagnosing them at work ;-)) | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if my freedesktop.org bug was ever fixed. | 23:05 |
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| Guest4105_304 | any info somewhere about zephir | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | Guest4105_304: Xephyr? (The nested X server allowing you to see the SDK environment on a box) | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course not https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18218 | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not exactly confidence inspiring. | 23:06 |
| Guest4105_304 | yes jaffa or better then that iam on ubu | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | Guest4105_304: `apt-get install xserver-xephyr' should do it for you | 23:08 |
| Guest4105_304 | tx | 23:09 |
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| StsN800 | i wonder if MIDs do psm. | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, who else implements WiFi PSM? | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really love to know. | 23:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | After buying this Mini 9, I've decided that I can't live without tablet-grade powersaving. | 23:14 |
| StsN800 | yeah - i really wonder | 23:14 |
| StsN800 | the psm based on system activity is surprisingily logic | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I doubt there'd be much point since they've got that giant Atom in there. ;) | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, Intel's designed it to be turned off when not in use. | 23:15 |
| StsN800 | true | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which has got to be the silliest thing ever. | 23:16 |
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| woglinde | ga you have a mini9 with pouslbo? | 23:18 |
| woglinde | haha | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pouslbo? | 23:18 |
| woglinde | poulsbo | 23:18 |
| woglinde | gma500 | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was $240 | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I needed an x86 machine. | 23:19 |
| woglinde | and now you are stick with kernel .24 | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er? | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on kernel 28 or 29 at the moment. | 23:20 |
| woglinde | or is vesa enough for you | 23:20 |
| v6sa | hello, I created account on garage.maemo.org and I am waiting over 30 minutes already to log in on maemo.org but nutin! | 23:20 |
| v6sa | any comments? | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah, it was a nice day today | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, 2.6.28 | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, I think your info's off. | 23:21 |
| woglinde | not really | 23:22 |
| woglinde | if you want the cool feature the poulsbo really can do | 23:22 |
| woglinde | you are sticked with .24 | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, well, what you're saying and what I'm seeing don't mesh. | 23:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, either you're wrong or it's a GMA 950. | 23:26 |
| woglinde | ga hm | 23:26 |
| woglinde | then mini10 was it | 23:26 |
| woglinde | let me see | 23:26 |
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| woglinde | ah sorry | 23:27 |
| woglinde | damned why I mixed them up | 23:28 |
| * woglinde goes in the corner | 23:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | v6sa, it takes a little time. | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patience is key. | 23:30 |
| v6sa | :D | 23:30 |
| v6sa | approximately? | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | v6sa, alternatively, make sure you're not capitalizing your username. | 23:30 |
| v6sa | I didn't do that | 23:30 |
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| kanth | hi | 23:56 |
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