IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-04-21

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limepihey there, I'm trying to fix my bluetooth pairing problems00:22
limepiby following these instructions http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/FAQs,_Problems_and_Solutions#Bluetooth_device_not_pairing_after_a_reboot_or_reflash00:22
limepibut it seems that there isn't a "trusts" file to be cat'd00:23
wazdChaps, are there any VM Gurus in here?)00:27
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Robot101wazd: maybe, what's the question?00:28
* Robot101 has used Xen a lot and libvirt/kvm more recently00:28
wazdSoftware detects that i run it in VM00:28
wazdand stops running, calls mom :)00:29
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wazdCan I somehow avoid that stuff?00:29
lcuketrunko, \o congrats on so many students, but why didnt you get one to make a media player, canola would be perfect for one :P00:29
Robot101wazd: pass, I have no idea. most VM technologies make no secret they're virtualised, like they return CPU/system IDs like "KVM virtual CPU" and such00:30
Robot101wazd: depends what mechanism is being used to detect the virtualisation, and what virtualisation technology is being used00:30
wazdVMWare00:31
wazdmechanism - dunno :(00:31
Robot101wazd: depending how ninja you are, and how ninja the software you're trying to crack is, you can get a decompiler going on it00:31
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wazdI'm Ninja from Beverley Hills :D00:31
Robot101tooks like http://code.google.com/p/ospy/ can help for finding certain function calls and returning more... appealing values :)00:32
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wazdthanks :)00:36
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Robot101s/took/tool/, lol00:41
Robot101fool of a took!00:41
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lcukwazd, what are you trying to run inside a vm00:50
wazdGame client :)00:51
wazdXP00:51
luke-jryou sound like b-man00:51
lcukgames have very special eulas to stop you from pirating them :P00:52
lcukand code to back them up00:53
lcukwhich are you trying to play?00:53
wazdlcuk: well, the client is free :)00:53
lcukbut the games on it arent :P00:53
lcuki gather you are on about the hot water on00:53
lcuke00:53
wazdlcuk: but it doesn't allow to run multiple windows on 1 machine00:53
VDVsxwazd, steam ?00:53
qwerty12_N800(hint: steam is cracked to hell)00:53
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lcukobviously wazd is a litter further than hell00:54
wazdVDVsx: nope, Lineage II :)00:54
VDVsxwazd, and what error/behavior you got in the VM?00:56
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wazdVDVsx: "Sorry, this app couldn't be ran in VM" :)00:57
VDVsxwazd, lol, Why ? don't make any sense to me :(00:57
lcukpretty clear to me00:57
VDVsxlol00:57
qwerty12_N800wazd: there was a thread on russian steam forum using wine (yes, it exists for windows, oddly) to run two steam clients in windows00:57
wazdhmmm)00:58
qwerty12_N800wine is powerful stuff - it passed genuine advantage check for a while without cracks :)00:59
wazdqwerty12_N800: thanks!01:00
wazdqwerty12_N800: btw, why are you surfing russian forums all the time?)01:00
qwerty12_N800Oh, I find Russians to be very resourceful & Russian forums to be a great source of info (with google translate). Besides, this particular forum had an English section :p01:02
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labaudiojohnx are you there?01:26
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labaudiosdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image?01:26
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limepihey, is anyone with bluetooth expertise around?01:31
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labaudiosdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image?01:33
lcuklabaudio, hardy desktop?01:34
labaudioyes01:34
labaudiosdk hardy desktop01:34
lcuki didnt mishear you (irc is good like that) i just didnt know what it was in relation to maemo01:34
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fireunwow, summer classes suck01:35
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labaudioMaemo Diablo Ubuntu Hardy Desktop virtual SDK image01:35
labaudiocomes in 2 ziped files01:36
labaudiohow to properly extract then01:36
labaudioits full maemo topic here i think01:36
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labaudiono clue lcuk?01:41
lcukno sorry01:41
labaudiook01:41
lcuktry itt01:41
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labaudiosdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image?01:53
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lcukis anyone able to build valgrind for maemo in a scratchbox for me please? :$02:24
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lcukand would anyone know of a reason why i couldnt use it02:24
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VDVsxlcuk, I think I saw some maemo wiki pages about valgrind02:38
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lcukgulp02:39
lcuki think ill just follow my hunch lol02:39
lcukVDVsx, thanks i saw02:39
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labaudiosdk hardy desktop is in 2 part....so how i extract properly the image?02:53
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CutMeOwnThroatcan diablo do  wpa2 wireless connections?03:51
CutMeOwnThroat(my attempt so far failed, but might be something else)03:51
johnxsome tipes. wpa2 psk appears to be no problem03:52
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CutMeOwnThroathm03:53
CutMeOwnThroatpsk?03:54
CutMeOwnThroatoh, I see03:54
CutMeOwnThroathm, don't think so - it's the university network03:55
CutMeOwnThroatand you just use your uni-id/password to log in03:56
CutMeOwnThroatbut I've never needed to use it before, so ... might need to be enabled or something (although I don't think so)03:56
johnxpre-shared key I think it means03:57
johnxthe normal kind you find on home routers03:57
johnxor are you at a college or something?03:57
CutMeOwnThroatyeah03:58
CutMeOwnThroatalways used cable with the computers, though03:58
CutMeOwnThroatso I never seriously tried to use their wireless net03:58
CutMeOwnThroatit's either wpa2 or an unencrypted connection and you've got to use a vpn to reach anything03:59
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johnxdo you use eduroam?04:07
CutMeOwnThroatignorance is bliss :)04:07
johnxdoes your school have a page with explanation/instructions about the network?04:07
CutMeOwnThroatyeah04:08
CutMeOwnThroatand that seemed to include all important information04:08
CutMeOwnThroatoh, no, not eudoram (never heard of it before)04:08
johnxwell, I'm a little busy/distracted right now, but if you post a link to that page, people might have suggestions for you (or they might not)04:09
CutMeOwnThroatI've got a lot to explore right now :)04:09
CutMeOwnThroatgot that thing today - but of course would be much funnier with net04:10
CutMeOwnThroatwell... will see how it goes at home04:10
CutMeOwnThroatthis one is for xp http://www.it.northwestern.edu/oncampus/wireless/wireless-connections/wireless-win.html04:12
CutMeOwnThroatseemed to cover most things04:12
CutMeOwnThroatso didn't check out the vista one04:13
johnxaaah, with PEAP04:13
johnxhave you checked for any info on itt?04:13
johnx~itt04:13
infobotmethinks itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums )04:13
CutMeOwnThroatwell, the 'connection manager' on this device does offer peap as an option04:14
johnxIIRC, there's kind of a trick to it or something04:14
CutMeOwnThroatheh, that sounds hopeful04:14
CutMeOwnThroatnot that I get much signal in my office anyway :(04:15
CutMeOwnThroatbut something is better than nothing04:15
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CutMeOwnThroatjohnx, cool, thanks seems there's a thread for it ...04:17
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CutMeOwnThroatwell, this is it http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12343&highlight=maemo+peap&page=204:29
CutMeOwnThroatwill check the links after dinner to see if there's a solution04:29
CutMeOwnThroatmight help to get the certificate (there should be one...)04:29
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spcuiHi, guys04:35
FireFox-3hello04:35
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spcuiHow to debug Home plugins in N810?04:36
spcuii'm developing with Python now.04:36
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jaemhey folks05:27
zakkmheyy05:27
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jaemwould someone with a scratchbox setup handy mind doing me a quick favour?  I need a binary of fanoush's kbdd with the elektex patch, and I don't have access to my build server at the moment05:28
jaemfor some reason, the only binary on the site doesn't include that :S05:29
zakkmjaem: sorry, dont have scratchbox :(05:30
jaemhmm05:30
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jaemitT post says the binary should include that, but I didn't see it05:31
jaemhrm05:31
* jaem doublechecks05:31
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jaemhuh05:33
jaemI could swear it wasn't there before05:33
* jaem is crazy05:33
* zakkm agrees05:33
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FireFoxhello Freddy05:35
Freddy_hey05:35
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FireFox~burn himself05:36
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze05:36
Freddy_watch what??05:36
FireFoxlol05:36
jaemwoot!05:36
jaemit works05:36
FireFoxyup  :)05:37
* jaem just got a fabric keyboard in the mail05:37
kcowolffabric keyboard?05:38
Freddy_infobot: kill himself05:38
* infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxelectron gun at himself05:38
FireFoxlol05:38
kcowolfheh05:39
spcuiCan anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810?05:39
Freddy_infobot: kill himself05:39
* zakkm learns he isnt able to attend the autodesk event in 8 hours, due to lack of time /sleep05:39
* infobot shoots a magneto-ionized neutrino gun at himself05:39
Freddy_infobot: blowup05:40
kcowolfSorry it's not maemo related, but has anyone had success with Ubuntu on an external card?05:40
Freddy_infobot: blow up05:40
* infobot blows up05:40
johnxspcui, not entirely sure if this would work, but maybe try running strace on hildon-desktop in scratchbox?05:40
zakkmkcowolf: whats not working about it?05:40
spcuii'm developing with python05:40
Freddy_infobot:05:40
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Freddy_hi guys!05:41
kcowolfwell, I think I finally got the bootmenu item correct, but every time I try to start it up it crashes05:41
FireFox:P05:41
zakkmkcowolf: the tablet stops working? just shows nokia logo and turns off?05:41
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romeus1hello05:41
kcowolfIt shows something like "booting Ubuntu Jaunty on external (mmcblk0p2)" for a few seconds, then blacks out and reboots05:42
jaemkcowolf: what did you enter for the device name in the *.item?05:42
zakkmcould i see bootmenu item?05:42
zakkmlike all text in it, pastebin'd05:42
spcuijohnx: it hasnot /usr/share/applications/hildon-home dir in scratchbox.05:43
romeus1I've been playing with USB host on my N800 today, and I've managed to get hard drive and stick working... I just plugged in my logitech USB headset and it's being detected (Bus 001 Device 026: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.) how do I got about setting it up?05:43
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zakkmromeus1: doesnt automatically work out of box?05:43
jaemzakkm: I wouldn't expect it to05:44
zakkmohh usb05:44
jaemI haven't checked, but USB audio isn't one of the things I would expect Nokia to compile in05:44
jaemyou'd need the kernel module, most likely05:44
zakkmyeah i was thinking of normal headphone jack05:44
jaemand I'm afraid I can't help you there05:45
spcuijohnx: so i want to gdb home plugins app in N810.05:45
zakkmjohnx is here?05:45
kcowolfzakkm: http://pastebin.com/d1e70ff0c05:45
romeus1what would I have to do to get the kernel module for USB headsets?05:45
zakkmromeus1: more than its worth.05:45
romeus1lol05:46
jaemzakkm: that depends on how much value romeus1 places on it05:46
zakkmkcowolf: partition 2?05:46
jaembut it would be a lot of work05:46
jaemand not easy05:46
Freddy_infobot: you suck05:46
infobotand very well I might add05:46
romeus1lol @ infobot05:46
FireFoxhaha05:46
zakkmromeus: why do you need a headset, it has builtin speaker and mic, just attach normal headphones for speaker purposes, and just use the builtin mic, its highly sensitive05:47
kcowolfzakkm: that's what it is, not sure waht it should be05:47
zakkmkcowolf: did you install ubuntu to partition 2?05:47
romeus1hmm, lots of work and not easy - that's not a good combination05:47
kcowolfzakkm: actually, that should be partition 3, shouldn't it?  partition 2 is the swap05:47
zakkmso change it05:47
zakkmITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3"05:47
kcowolfI'll hit myself in the forehead if that's it05:47
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jaemkcowolf: it most likely is05:48
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zakkmkcowolf: it would be.05:48
jaemand I don't mean locked like a CAPS lock key should be05:48
zakkmkcowolf: reinstall bootloader after changing that.05:48
jaemI mean locked into lock mode05:48
romeus1zakkm> I was trying out various mods today on my N800, I installed the 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards... I started playing with USB and wanted to see how far i could take it... could I plug a webcam into the usb?05:48
NaviUSB headsets are a headache, even on desktop Linux05:48
zakkmromeus1: i dont see the purpose for a true headset, just use a normal headphones for speaker.. and use the builtin mic, your be surprised how sensitive it is05:49
jaemromeus1: as zakkm says, the internal mic is really good, considering05:49
romeus1yeah, it's actually pretty good, I've used it for skype calls quite a bit05:49
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luke-jrgah05:50
jaemhowever, if you really want a headset, it probably could be done, but if you haven't messed around with the kernel before, it won't be pretty05:50
romeus1has anybody tried to attach a webcam to the n800?05:50
zakkmif you dont want people to hear the other end, guessing purpose you wanted headset, put in normal headphones05:50
luke-jrloadkeys doesn't affect X11? :/05:50
* kcowolf hits himself in the forehead05:50
* kcowolf briefly considers stabbing himself in the eye with his stylus, but decides against it05:50
zakkmromeus1: the tablet isnt as expandable as you might think ;p05:50
romeus1it's really cool, I was playing Neogeo games with a Saitek gamepad on it05:50
romeus1lol05:50
luke-jrromeus1: 48mhz kernel mod for SDHC/MMC cards?05:51
kcowolfzakkm: thanks for your help05:51
zakkmkcowolf: im sure thats it, it would boot off "swap" and then fail, and show blank.. but if something breaks after that fix or something do ask ;p05:52
romeus1luke-jr> yeah, it allows for faster read/write rates from SDHC/MMC cards... I believe the default kernel reads at about Class 2 speeds... the mod will allow for Class 6 apparently05:52
luke-jrromeus1: oooooooh05:52
luke-jrromeus1: POINTER PLZ05:52
luke-jrromeus1: my root fs is on class 6 SD!@05:52
zakkmheh05:52
romeus1luke-jr> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=7105:53
zakkmfanoush does 48mhz doesnt he?05:53
luke-jrbtw, it is hilarious to see two trolls trying to troll each other05:53
romeus1fanoush does but this one is for the latest kernel05:53
kcowolfokay, I got the "boot stalls after 99%" error mentioned on the forum05:53
luke-jrromeus1: I suspect I will need to build my own kernel anyway05:53
zakkmkcowolf: you wait a while? that last 1% is the lnogest05:53
romeus1luke-jr> if you're using 5.2008.43 then it's really easy05:54
zakkmkcowolf: also wait like few min, take out battery, boot it again.05:54
luke-jrromeus1: what's that?05:54
zakkmromeus1: care to share kernel link05:54
romeus1zakkm> http://intr.overt.org/5.2008.43-mmc-kernel/05:54
romeus1pretty simple mod, but works great05:55
zakkmthank you05:55
romeus1my pleasure :)05:55
kcowolflooks like the problem may be due to a missing desktop environment05:55
romeus1thank Philip Langdale05:55
zakkmkcowolf: you didnt install one?05:55
jaemhrm05:55
jaemdo key click sounds not work with a BT keyboard, or is this just my problem?05:56
kcowolfI only installed sys-env-base05:56
jaemkcowolf: there ye go05:56
jaemit finishes booting, but nothing loads05:56
zakkmb-man: you here?05:56
kcowolfyeah05:56
zakkmkcowolf: you should download/install a environment/ wm .. and set .xinitrc accordingly05:56
kcowolfwasn't sure exactly when I should install sys-env-x05:57
zakkmafter base05:57
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b-man`hello05:57
kcowolfhey b-man05:57
zakkm.05:57
kcowolffrom the ubuntu startup can I get to a console and install it from there, or do I need to go back through maemo?05:58
romeus1btw, if you want 48mhz sdhc/mmc, screen rotation, and also bugfix for RNDIS and consitent mmc device names then you might want to consider > http://seas3.elte.hu/balihb/maemo/ (I haven't tried it yet)05:58
romeus1I think I'll try it now :)05:58
zakkmb-man; didnt get tty to show on ubuntu port?05:58
b-man`you should do it from maemo05:58
b-man`tty?05:59
zakkmconsole.05:59
b-man`console is functional05:59
zakkmsplash goes over it?05:59
b-man`ubuntu uses a rescue menu, just press home+power at startup to select console06:00
zakkmoh thats howw :p06:00
zakkmheh06:00
zakkmi always saw screenshots, im like hmm how do i get that menu06:01
jaemb-man`: would it be feasible to allow the user to switch to tty once booted?06:01
zakkmthat rescue mode would do06:01
jaemcall me a geek, but tty's were one thing I missed when running Maemo06:01
zakkm?06:01
jaemzakkm: I mean from a running GUI install, just like on a desktop06:01
zakkmyou can run terminal?06:01
zakkmjust boot into console everytime06:01
jaemno, I want both06:02
zakkmdont add xdm or anything06:02
b-man`shure - you should be able to get tty when booted06:02
zakkmand it will go into console06:02
zakkmand when you want desktop you do startx?06:02
b-man`if you kill x06:02
jaemzakkm: I want to be able to switch06:02
jaemb-man`: any key combo, or just manual?06:02
b-man`ubuntu uses gdm or kdm06:02
b-man`manual06:02
zakkmubuntu uses gdm, kubuntu uses kdm :D06:02
b-man`i know XD06:02
jaemb-man`: thanks06:02
b-man`np :)06:03
jaemgrr... I deactivated my keyboard, and my N810 rebooted06:03
jaemmethinks there be boogs06:03
* b-man` needs to update a lot of stuff in ubuntu-n8x006:04
b-man`i just wish i had time :(06:05
kcowolfokay, which one is the home button?06:05
b-man`the one with the little house icon06:05
kcowolfon the N810?06:06
kcowolflower-rightmost button on the keyboard?06:06
b-man`n810 - the one with the two little squares06:06
kcowolfah06:06
* b-man` uses an N800 :)06:07
kcowolfk, logged into the console06:08
b-man`witch desktop env are you planning on using btw?06:09
kcowolfGNOME if I can06:10
zakkmb-man: how well does fvwm-crystal work on the tablet, have you tried?06:10
b-man`:D06:10
kcowolfKDE4 would be great, but I think that would be slow06:10
zakkmeverything but maemo is slow ;p06:10
b-man`zakkm: i haven't yet - could you give me a link? :)06:10
zakkmits in repository06:10
zakkmyou can apt-get it06:11
kcowolfah, shoot06:11
zakkmmy vmdk just crashed/ totally messed up before i could install it06:11
kcowolfI'd need to start wireless in order to get sys-env-x over the wi-fi06:11
zakkmb-man`: apt-get install fvwm-crystal06:11
b-man`zakkm: software in ubuntu runs better than software in maemo on my tablet06:11
b-man`k06:11
luke-jrhey b-man`06:11
b-man`hello06:11
luke-jrhow goes getting Vista on your N800?06:11
b-man`lol06:12
kcowolf:)06:12
zakkmb-man`: http://www.linux.org/dist/reviews/images/fvwm-crystal.png <-- pic of fvwm-crystal06:12
luke-jrb-man`: you have that Ubuntu working on N810?06:12
luke-jror just N800?06:12
zakkmvery lightweightt06:12
zakkmmoreso than fluxbox i would assume06:13
kcowolfI'll try this from maemo... will I need to do anything beforehand besides unmounting the external card, remounting it as /mnt/jaunty and mounting the other five directories?06:13
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zakkmkcowolf: chrooting ..06:13
zakkmmost important , except initial mounting of course06:13
kcowolfwill running the N810 with the charger plugged in run wear out the battery?06:14
b-man`luke-jr: i own an N800 and yes :)06:14
luke-jrb-man`: but it does work on N810?06:15
b-man`zakkm: awsome06:15
b-man`yes06:15
luke-jrb-man`: mind if I steal some stuff? :D06:15
zakkmb-man`: mind checking for me how well it performs, screensize wise and all06:15
b-man`luke-jr: shure XD06:15
luke-jrb-man`: sweet06:15
luke-jrb-man`: how did you get the fscking kb to work? :D06:15
b-man`zakkm: shure :)06:16
zakkmb-man`: thank you, shouldnt be too big, 7mb tops06:16
b-man`luke-jr: it's xkbd06:17
luke-jrb-man`: that's no kb06:17
b-man`wow 0.o06:18
luke-jrb-man`: I mean the real one06:18
zakkmyou cant use maemo one.06:18
luke-jrso it really doesn't work on N810? ☹06:18
b-man`it should work06:19
luke-jrb-man`: how?06:19
luke-jrespecially the Fn key06:19
b-man`it uses xserver-xorg-input-evdev from mer06:19
luke-jrhow did you get that working?06:19
luke-jrIIRC, it's a problem for Mer too :/06:20
luke-jror at least Stskeepz made it sound that way06:20
b-man`hmm :/06:20
kcowolfshould I need to do the insmod commands again?06:20
romeus1is there anyway to run windows ce on the n800?06:20
luke-jrromeus1: emulator maybe06:20
luke-jron the other hand, my *immediate* problem is that my keymap doesn't seem to work once I start X06:21
b-man`hmm06:21
kcowolf"mounting /dev/mmcblk1p3 on /mnt/jaunty failed"06:21
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b-man`you need to run insmod06:21
luke-jrkcowolf: how big does your MMC card have to be to desire 3 partitions? -.-06:21
kcowolfIt's 8GB, and I just followed the tutorial06:22
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kcowolf(dosfs, swap, ext3)06:22
luke-jrwhy vfat?06:22
zakkmviewing from windows.06:22
luke-jroh06:22
luke-jrWindows06:22
luke-jrpeople still use that?06:22
zakkmlol06:22
zakkmits also good for tablet06:23
jaemluke-jr: apparently06:23
jaemgo figure06:23
zakkmto have a vfat partition06:23
luke-jrzakkm: nonsense06:23
zakkmheh06:23
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luke-jrwoot06:23
zakkmthats what i initially was told.06:23
luke-jrkdelibs 4.2 is 5% done building06:23
zakkmlol06:24
zakkmtheres alot of kde packages ;p06:24
luke-jrtechnically just 8 or so06:24
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* b-man` starts to wget/compile fvwm-crystal06:25
luke-jrb-man`: so you didn't really do anything to get the kb working, did you? :/06:25
zakkmb-man`: why you compiling?06:26
b-man`i did, allthough it obviously wasn't verry functionall06:26
luke-jrb-man`: any info on what you did?06:26
zakkmb-man: its very lightweight, wants alot of things like mpd and stuff06:27
b-man`i mostly borrowed keymaps & drivers from mer/deblet06:27
luke-jrb-man`: <.< links?06:28
* b-man` grabs the repo link06:28
zakkmhttp://www.fvwm-crystal.org/user-screenshots/nemo.jpg <-- favourite desktop screenshot of all times, (its old )06:28
zakkmlinux one anyways06:28
b-man`luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/repository/    --ubuntu-n8x0 repo06:29
kcowolfokay, hopefully should be ready to apt-get install sys-env-x06:30
* kcowolf crosses his fingers... pleasework pleasework pleasework...06:32
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* b-man` 's ubuntu install is going on 4 months of age and is still going strong on his N800 btw :)06:34
b-man`as of tomorrow06:35
b-man`21st06:35
kcowolfb-man: thanks for all your help on this, and thanks for doing it in the first place... one of the biggest motivations behind getting the n81006:35
b-man`no problem :)06:35
luke-jrkdelibs 23%06:40
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kcowolfshould I need to do the fuser -m line again?06:59
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luke-jr36% kdelbis :D07:10
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spcuiCan anybody tell me how to debug home plugins in N810?07:19
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kcowolfb-man: still around?07:21
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b-man`i'm still here :)07:25
* b-man` needs to go to bed soon though07:25
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Guest8049_147i can make apt-get install diablo free non free source in ubuntu cause07:39
Guest8049_147echo "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-  free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list07:40
Guest8049_147E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_non-_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)07:41
CutMeOwnThroatwhich one is the preferred method to become root on the N810? ssh or...?s07:46
CutMeOwnThroathm, probably doesn't matter much when you set a password?s07:46
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CutMeOwnThroatah, very well :)07:48
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CutMeOwnThroatnice, nice07:50
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kcowolfshoot07:51
kcowolfforgot to do export LC_ALL=C before I started apt-get install ubuntu-desktop07:51
kcowolfnow I'm worried that's going to cause problems since it already tried to start the install07:52
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RST38hMoo all08:37
RST38hCongratulations, lcuk08:37
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CutMeOwnThroatthere's no less?s08:46
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thuxmorning09:00
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RST38hmoo thux.09:01
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CutMeOwnThroatthere's no pipe on the kbd of the N810?s09:05
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RST38hunfortunately, no09:06
CutMeOwnThroatdoom, doom!09:06
RST38hAlthough you can install a custom kbd layout09:06
CutMeOwnThroatwell, that'3s true09:07
CutMeOwnThroatbut there seems to be no 'less' either09:07
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thuxmore could be09:09
CutMeOwnThroatI could live with most, if it has to be more09:10
thuxi installed apps to tablet via ssh but some ui apps popup question which folder to be installed, how can i handle this via ssh? (long way from my tablet)09:11
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thuxi don't see popup to ssh09:12
CutMeOwnThroatvnc?09:12
CutMeOwnThroatoh, that works also09:12
CutMeOwnThroattry ssh -X user@tablet09:12
thuxok09:12
CutMeOwnThroat(has to be enabled on the sshd too, though)09:12
CutMeOwnThroat(8dunno if it is)09:12
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luke-jrdoes anyone actually use KDE 4 on N810? :x09:15
luke-jrhow do they manage around the Akonadi mess?09:15
CutMeOwnThroatthux, it's already enabled... "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config in case it's not09:16
CutMeOwnThroatonly madmen :-P09:16
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thuxtried with ssh -X but still don't see the popup09:18
CutMeOwnThroatwell, is there no such thing as s2ram//s2disk for the N80?s09:18
CutMeOwnThroatthux, hm, you should - if you say echo $DISPLAY should say :1009:19
CutMeOwnThroatand if you call e.g. xterm (or whatever term you got there) it should open to zou09:19
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CutMeOwnThroatmight take a loong while though if your connection is slow09:19
CutMeOwnThroatx11 is not a very efficient protocol09:19
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thuxecho $DISPLAY localhost:10.009:20
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CutMeOwnThroatthat's ok09:20
CutMeOwnThroatthat'3s your ssh09:20
CutMeOwnThroat-tunnel09:21
thuxok09:21
thuxi try wait longer09:21
CutMeOwnThroathm09:21
CutMeOwnThroatis the Nokia using the X  protocol?s09:22
CutMeOwnThroatit surely doesn't run xorg...09:22
CutMeOwnThroatthux, I'm only playing with it for a couple of hours...09:22
CutMeOwnThroatso if it's in some fundamental way different than a pc, I wouldn't know09:23
johnxit's running xomap, an x server based on kdrive09:23
johnxbut a lot of apps hardcode their DISPLAY variable09:24
thuxdpkg --configure -a Setting up tear (0.3) ... Cache file created successfully. and there it hangs, probably waiting to that popup ok09:24
johnxthey only look for :009:24
CutMeOwnThroatargh09:24
CutMeOwnThroatwell, that's just crap then09:24
CutMeOwnThroatjohnx, but xomap implements x11?09:24
johnxyeah, it's a fairly normal x server for most purposes09:25
thuxbut can't i tell dpkg somehow not to ask directory where install?09:25
CutMeOwnThroatthux, perhaps try dpkg -force-help to see your options to force dpkg over... glitches09:25
thuxok09:26
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CutMeOwnThroat... but I don't see any09:28
CutMeOwnThroatif you have x11vnc installed, you can see the screen09:29
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: my N810 is running X.org :p09:29
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CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, how much of the memory does it use?s09:30
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: about 5 MB of RAM according to top09:31
CutMeOwnThroata lot less than my desktop...09:32
luke-jryour desktop has apps running ☺09:32
luke-jrX stores resources for apps in its own memory space09:32
luke-jrI'm still working on KDE 4.209:33
luke-jrkdelibs is at 82%09:33
CutMeOwnThroathm, can I change the default username of "user" to something else or is that hardcoded somewhere as well09:34
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, well... not running firefox might do it :)09:34
johnxit's hardcoded *everywhere*09:34
CutMeOwnThroataaah09:34
luke-jrthis kind of thing is why I am installing Gentoo -.-09:34
johnxalso, I think x.org includes the size of the framebuffer as part of it's memory usage09:34
luke-jrAkonadi/MySQL scares me though09:35
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CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, gentoo?09:36
CutMeOwnThroatyou plan to compile everything?s09:36
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: like I said, I'm 82% doen w/ kdelibs09:36
CutMeOwnThroatsounds like.... fun09:36
luke-jr:D09:36
CutMeOwnThroatendless fun09:36
luke-jrjoin us!09:36
luke-jryou can be #409:37
CutMeOwnThroatnah09:37
johnxsome of us are working with ubuntu instead09:37
CutMeOwnThroatI use Debian for... well enough years09:37
johnxputting the good parts of maemo on top of an ubuntu base09:37
johnxa *slim* ubuntu base09:37
CutMeOwnThroatso if I switch, it'll be there09:37
luke-jraw09:37
CutMeOwnThroatbut having stripped-down stuff makes sense09:37
CutMeOwnThroatso I'll see for a while09:37
johnxsometimes it's worth the trade off and sometimes it isn't09:37
luke-jrwe're using Gentoo's CFLAGS stuff to slim everything :D09:37
luke-jryay -Os09:38
johnxwe ended up deciding busybox vs coreutils wasn't worth it09:38
johnxerr...that busybox wasn't worth it I mean, compared to coreutils09:38
luke-jrjohnx: which direction?09:38
luke-jrah09:38
CutMeOwnThroatI understood that!09:38
luke-jryeah, BusyBox pisses me off09:38
luke-jrjohnx: you use BASH as well then?09:38
CutMeOwnThroatbattery getting empty09:39
CutMeOwnThroatand I let the charger at uni09:39
luke-jrÖ09:40
luke-jrI never leave my charger anywhere09:40
johnxluke-jr, yup, bash as well09:40
luke-jrcan't risk battery dying09:40
johnxtoo many bashisms in ubuntu :/09:40
CutMeOwnThroatoh well... ~1 hour left is ok... not more until sleeping time anyay (20 to 2 am here)09:40
luke-jr>_<09:40
CutMeOwnThroatso is there any s2ram s2disk equivalent?s09:40
CutMeOwnThroatit seems to really switch off when I switch it off09:41
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: just leave it running XD09:41
CutMeOwnThroatprobably the inactive state comes close to laptop sleep mode anyway09:41
luke-jrI don't think suspend to RAM would save much power, if any09:41
CutMeOwnThroatyeah09:41
CutMeOwnThroatguess so09:41
luke-jrand there is no.. disk .. to save to09:41
CutMeOwnThroatof course!09:41
CutMeOwnThroatI put a 8GB SD in there09:41
luke-jrheh09:41
johnxput it in offline mode to save a little more juice09:42
luke-jrSD is way too slow09:42
luke-jryou'd run out of power waiting09:42
CutMeOwnThroatnah09:42
CutMeOwnThroathow much memory does the 810 have?s09:42
luke-jr128 MB09:42
luke-jrso 8 minutes to dump it all to SD09:43
CutMeOwnThroatwell, you got a point09:43
CutMeOwnThroatno09:43
luke-jrheck, it'll boot faster than the 4 minutes it'd take to restore09:43
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GeneralAntillesYou've got one slow goddamn SD.09:43
CutMeOwnThroatclass 6 is 6MB/s09:43
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: N810 is the bottleneck09:43
GeneralAntillesMinimum09:44
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: I've never seen over 300 KB/sec on N81009:44
CutMeOwnThroatthat makes it ... 20 seconds?s09:44
GeneralAntillesIt's not the N81009:44
luke-jrmy SD card supports up to 9 MB/sec09:44
CutMeOwnThroatbut that'3s not the sd card then09:44
GeneralAntilles300KB/sec is definitely a problem with your card.09:44
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: how would you suggest benchmarking?09:45
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luke-jrIIRC, the onyl time I've seen it was scp09:45
luke-jrso I suppose the CPU might be the bottleneck there09:45
luke-jroh, and wget09:45
GeneralAntillesWell, for one, I get 800-900KB/sec sustained over SFTP09:45
CutMeOwnThroatbonnie++? :)909:45
luke-jroh, maybe wifi09:45
luke-jrthat could be it09:45
GeneralAntillesand about 2MB/sec on a USB transfer.09:45
GeneralAntillesSo, no, suspend to disk isn't going to take 8 minutes.09:46
CutMeOwnThroatanyway, half a minute for suspend to disk doesn't sound too bad to me09:46
GeneralAntillesProblem is, the battery saving still isn't going to be all that great.09:46
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: what would you say the N810's limit is, then? someone earlier mentioned a kernel patch to improve it09:46
CutMeOwnThroatGeneralAntilles, why?s09:47
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CutMeOwnThroatwhat would still be running?09:47
GeneralAntillesSuspending and resuming isn't going to use less energy than a straight reboot.09:47
CutMeOwnThroatit should essentially switched off during s2disk09:47
CutMeOwnThroatno, not that09:47
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: note even "power off" for N8x0 is not truly off09:47
CutMeOwnThroatit essentially is a straight reboot - actually + reading 128MB09:47
CutMeOwnThroatmmm09:47
GeneralAntillesRemember, your system using basically max power during the write and read from disk.09:48
CutMeOwnThroatsound's like a video recorder :(09:48
thuxremove battery09:48
GeneralAntillesWhich means unless you're suspending for more than a week it really isn't worth it.09:48
GeneralAntillesThe N810's powersaving is epic at idle.09:48
GeneralAntillesYou just need to make sure it's actually able to go idle.09:48
CutMeOwnThroatso leaving it on can be better than switching it off?s09:48
GeneralAntillesYes, it's a 24/7 device09:48
CutMeOwnThroatallright09:49
GeneralAntillesThe powersaving is designed to work when it's left on all the time.09:49
GeneralAntillesThe efforts to improve efficiency have been put there and not into the reboot cycle.09:49
johnxidle, with screen off, in offline mode is usually good for 2 weeks solid09:49
CutMeOwnThroatalso explains why the battery ran dry so fast just now09:49
CutMeOwnThroatafter installing all that gpl stuff :)09:49
luke-jrjohnx: 2 weeks? ö09:49
RST38hpenguins ate it09:49
johnxluke-jr, yup, there were tests and everything :)09:50
GeneralAntilles30 days idle is the absolute max.09:50
CutMeOwnThroatwell, penguins wanna live as well09:50
luke-jrI've never come close to 2 weeks, though I never leave it alone for more than a few hours09:50
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, also, the battery meter tends to get pessimistic right after you push it09:50
CutMeOwnThroatheh09:50
CutMeOwnThroatit's not called 'marvin' by any chance?s09:50
johnxheh09:51
johnxit's kind of "if you keep doing what you just did now, then you've only got x many hours left"09:51
CutMeOwnThroatwell, it keeps saying I got an hour09:51
CutMeOwnThroatwhat happens when it crashes?s09:51
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: watchdog reboots09:51
CutMeOwnThroatdoes it shutdown to prevent?s09:52
GeneralAntillesVoltage also tends to drop dramatically under particularly heavy loads.09:52
luke-jrthough it's more likely to false-positive than a real crash09:52
johnxyeah, it should shut down at critical battery09:52
CutMeOwnThroator does it rely on journaling file.... ok09:52
johnxit uses a journaling fs09:52
johnxjffs209:52
CutMeOwnThroathm09:52
CutMeOwnThroatI wonder what that sd card uses that I just pushed in09:53
CutMeOwnThroatif that's on fat, would be a good idea to change before I put stuff on09:53
luke-jrjffs2 doesn't work on MMC/SD09:53
johnxext2 or 3 would be a fine choice if you don't want to use it with windows09:53
CutMeOwnThroatno09:54
luke-jrand journalling filesystems supposedly have the opposite effect on them09:54
luke-jrso ext209:54
johnxluke-jr, uhm, no09:54
GeneralAntillesUm09:54
GeneralAntillesYou're confusing wear leveling with journaling.09:54
CutMeOwnThroatI don't touch windows with a 7 foot laserpointer if I can avoid it09:54
johnxthen ext3 is a good bet09:54
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: supposedly wear levelling makes journalling break on power failures?09:54
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GeneralAntillesWhat?09:54
johnxluke-jr, not disputing, but where did you hear that from?09:55
luke-jrNeuros head developer09:55
CutMeOwnThroatxfs would be fun to try if it can use it :)09:55
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, build yourself some kernel modules09:55
thuxis ext4 support coming to tablets?09:55
* luke-jr doesn't see a need for ext4 on his desktop, let alone his tablet.09:55
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CutMeOwnThroatwell, thanks for the info... this has been enlightened me quite a bit in a short time :)09:56
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, sure. actually, someone might have built xfs.ko, but it's easy enough to compile yourself09:57
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johnxthux, probably not unless a newer kernel becomes more usable09:57
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thuxok09:57
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CutMeOwnThroatoh, btw. anyone connected an usb keyboard to an N810 yet?s09:59
johnxyup, all the time09:59
johnxwell, an n800 actually09:59
tbfthux: i don't think ext4 is optimized for flash drives yet. so what would be the use of supporting ext4 on tablets?09:59
johnxsame difference09:59
CutMeOwnThroatright09:59
CutMeOwnThroatneed to install anything for that?s09:59
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GeneralAntillesNo, but you'll want an OTG adaptor.10:00
thuxtbf: i was just curious cause everybody seems to talk about it10:00
johnxif you don't use an OTG adapter you have to manually put it into host mode with software10:00
CutMeOwnThroatyes, notice the adapter thing10:00
johnxthere's a couple little GUI front ends10:00
CutMeOwnThroathm10:00
CutMeOwnThroatoh, ok10:00
GeneralAntillesSoftware solution is a pain10:00
GeneralAntillesWorth it to get the $6 part.10:00
johnxGeneralAntilles, the little statusbar icon isn't bad10:01
CutMeOwnThroatui10:02
CutMeOwnThroatnot good for the ebook-like pdfs10:02
CutMeOwnThroatah, zoom10:03
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thuxreiserfs was before popular talk subject but development slowed down10:03
tbfthux: not sure if ext4 is worth the hype10:03
thuxalways wondered why linux support so many filesystems10:04
tbfthux: not much faster than ext3 it seems, not safer and it's author didn't understands his users' needs until recently10:04
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tbfwell. also not sure if he understands them now10:04
CutMeOwnThroathm, need xpdf, though10:04
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CutMeOwnThroatthux, only practice makes perfect :.-P10:04
thux:)10:05
tbfthux: seems some people have fun in implementing file systems :-)10:05
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, what about evince, epdfview or the built-in pdf viewer?10:05
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thuxis ext2 still faster than all journaling fs?10:06
luke-jrhttp://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/266 <-- useful infos ☺10:06
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CutMeOwnThroatjohnx, which of them has continious-view?s10:07
johnxdunno, actually10:07
johnxto be honest I hit my pdf ebooks with pdftohtml and use fbreader10:07
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CutMeOwnThroatmm, yeah10:08
CutMeOwnThroatI normally convert to pdf for the laptop10:08
CutMeOwnThroatlatex-made is hard to beat10:08
johnxthere's fbreader for desktop linux too10:08
luke-jraccording to this, journals (and swap) effectively disable wear levelling ö10:08
johnx<- fbreader fan10:08
CutMeOwnThroatI don't think html comes close10:08
CutMeOwnThroathm, I can give it a try10:08
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johnxluke-jr, nice find10:10
CutMeOwnThroatbetween a rock and a hard place...10:12
johnxI decided to just go journalling10:12
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johnxI haven't lost an sd card yet that I know is do to bad blocks caused by too many writes10:13
luke-jrjohnx: point 4 is quite scary10:13
CutMeOwnThroatwell10:14
CutMeOwnThroatjffs2?s10:14
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: jffs2 will NOT work on SD/MMC10:14
johnxcan't be used on a block device10:14
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: it is not an option10:14
luke-jrwould be nice if the SD/MMC specs had a way to do it tho :/10:14
luke-jrinstead of this block emulation crap10:14
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luke-jrjohnx: I found that 8 GB doesn't take too long to fsck, so I will stick with ext2 regardless XD10:16
johnxluke-jr, point 4 is scary, yes. but I haven't run into a flash device with issues with non-FAT filesystems in the last several years10:16
johnxluke-jr, if you can fsck it, then good for you10:16
johnxI'm sure I would have lost data by now if I wasn't using a journal10:16
luke-jroh?10:17
luke-jrI don't think I've ever experienced loss with ext210:17
johnxhad to pull the battery plenty of times :)10:17
luke-jrwhy would you lose anything?10:18
luke-jrother than recent changes I mean10:18
johnxif anything was open for writing it could be corrupted10:18
johnxa journal means that writes are atomic10:18
johnxno journal = no guarantee of consistency10:18
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johnxalso, corruption of some random file tends to show up later, not right away10:19
luke-jr:/10:20
johnxyeah10:20
johnxnothing like chasing down some weird problem only to find out it's just a corrupted config file10:20
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johnxanother note: I'm pretty sure mmc (aka sd) uses *slightly* different wear leveling than smart media10:21
johnxI have a link to a white paper somewhere if you're interested10:21
luke-jrjohnx: he was referring to non-smartmedia10:22
Shadow__Xwhat about the 2gd internal card10:22
CutMeOwnThroatfbreader displays too many chars/line, though10:22
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, zoom in?10:22
CutMeOwnThroatshould be around ... say 7010:22
CutMeOwnThroatmmm10:22
luke-jrShadow__X: I don't write to it if I can help it.10:22
johnxyeah, a soldered on sd card would worry me a little10:22
Shadow__Xluke-jr, what if you flashed the n810 to it10:23
johnxluke-jr, he was saying they use smart media-style wear leveling10:23
luke-jrjohnx: the implication was that everyone borrows it10:23
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johnxluke-jr, and I'm saying I read the mmc white paper on wear leveling and it seemed different10:23
GeneralAntillesCutMeOwnThroat, you're looking for the settings.10:23
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johnxyou don't have to trust me. I can find the link10:23
KhertanHello !10:24
johnxhi Khertan10:24
CutMeOwnThroathm, yeah, that could work10:25
CutMeOwnThroatpretty huge on the laptop...10:25
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CutMeOwnThroatwell, lemme try10:25
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veizhi, wanna to know if there are available JVM for 81010:28
CutMeOwnThroatwell, thanks again10:29
CutMeOwnThroatand... damn - I *knew* this useless toy would eat up my time :)10:29
johnxCutMeOwnThroat, heh. you have no idea :)10:29
johnxbut, it's a lot of fun10:29
CutMeOwnThroatI'm getting it... I am10:29
johnxveiz, checked uout jalimo?10:29
veiz3x, check it now10:30
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CutMeOwnThroatnite10:33
johnx'night CutMeOwnThroat10:34
Shadow__Xwhat toy is useless10:37
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johnxShadow__X, a bicycle with no wheels10:43
Shadow__Xis a bicycle considered a toy?10:43
johnxdepends on the context I guess10:44
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Shadow__Xright10:44
Shadow__Xalso size of bike10:44
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Shadow__Xif its a trike with 6 inch tires10:44
johnxor if it's more than 10 feet tall10:45
Shadow__Xright10:45
johnxhttp://google.com/images?q=tall+bikes10:45
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Shadow__Xhttp://www.google.com/images?q=tall+bikes&hl=en&imgcolor=green10:47
Shadow__Xnow with green10:47
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wazdWeeeee, we won GSoC!1110:51
wazdhttp://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/maemo10:51
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johnxwoo! really looking forward to that news reader!10:52
wazdAnd lcuk is 2nd :P na-na-na-naaa-na :D Just kidding :)10:53
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RST38hwazd: which one is yours?11:24
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping?11:34
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wazdRST38h: first one :)11:35
X-Fadepong11:35
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, the maemo.org beta logo on newstyle has a lighter background than the header.11:35
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yep11:36
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Tim messed up11:36
wazdRST38h: the most surprising project is definitely "IM for Canola" :)11:36
johnxbittorrent for canola is a little suprising too11:36
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, there's something funky with tabbing and the login forms, too.11:37
* Stskeeps thinks there should have been more variety11:37
GeneralAntillesYeah11:37
GeneralAntillesand fewer pointless addons to Canola. :P11:37
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wazdNo, maybe they are interesting like PoC but -IM-, dude...11:38
Stskeepsoh well. at least there's one project to look forward to.11:39
johnxa couple actually11:39
wazdjohnx: Sts meant Mer ofcourse :D11:39
johnxbarcode, the news reader, liqbase and picasa for canola would be nice11:39
StsN800mm11:39
johnxwazd, well, goes without saying ;)11:40
* StsN800 is just grumpy mainlining kernel didn't get in but canola/im did.11:41
wjtwhy exactly are people putting non-Telepathy IM into Canola?11:43
wjtlike, the tablets *have* an IM framework11:43
wazdwjt: why exactly people putting -any- IM in Canola :)11:44
wjtwazd: a fair point, well made11:44
wjti hear someone's also putting remember the milk into canola or something?11:44
johnxnow all it needs is a good text editor and a lisp interpreter ...11:45
wazdwjt: it's one of the winners too :)11:45
wjtwazd: right11:45
wazdjohnx: I heard "emacs"?)11:45
wjtjohnx: well, if they embedded elisp then they could use http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ELIM rather than libpurple directly :D11:45
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thuxtear looks promishing if it runs, how to properly stop tablet-daemon to start at boot?11:49
thuxremove it from run level11:50
johnxsounds good to me11:50
thuxok11:51
wazdThats just awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MoJQGcozug11:56
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: What's up with the login form?11:56
wazdtwo guys analysing latest MS Ad :D11:56
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, it randomly clears the contents when I tab from one field to the next.11:56
GeneralAntillesOccasionally making it impossible to login.11:57
X-FadeYeah, it clears on entry.11:57
X-FadeSo if you tab back, it clears again.11:57
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X-FadeBut why would you do that ;)11:58
RST38hwazd: Ah11:58
RST38hwazd: But, what is the deal about the IM for Canola project? Is it REALLY needed? I mean, pidgin does work...11:58
wazdRST38h: same point here :)11:59
* RST38h wishes Canola guys would make their app smaller, more stable, and faster loading (40 seconds is ridiculous)12:00
wazdhttp://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0904/02/f966e2e31d14.png <- My icon for "Mnemosyne for Maemo" btw :)12:01
wazdIt12:01
wazdit's called "Pomni" :)12:01
StsN800X-Fade, think it would be interesting to experiment with Transifex (using mer & shared maemo packages as context) and maemo.org in advance of the harmattan stuff to give maemo.org & community experience?12:01
RST38hwazd: why not replace P with a cockroach? =)12:02
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wazdRST38h: with brainslug :)12:03
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, a variety of reasons.12:04
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, either way, it's broken.12:04
GeneralAntillesRST38h, worse, rtcomm works.12:04
GeneralAntillesRST38h, startup is a lot faster in recent releases.12:04
GeneralAntillesOnce indexing is offloaded to Tracker it'll be even faster.12:05
RST38hGeneral: 25 seconds.12:05
RST38hIt is not indexing anything, I have that turned off12:05
RST38hJust plain loading Python libs12:05
GeneralAntilles25 != 4012:05
GeneralAntillesTried python-launcher?12:05
* RST38h never understood General's love for rtcomm and dislike to camel casing12:05
RST38hGeneral: Yes, does not help12:06
RST38hGeneral: It is 40 seconds "cold", 25 seconds consequent runs12:06
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, camel casing is appropriate only where it's appropriate12:08
GeneralAntillesThe wiki is not where it's appropriate.12:08
GeneralAntillesI like rtcomm because it works and it doesn't clutter up the place like Pidgin.12:08
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Khertan1Hello12:09
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floriangood morning12:10
wazdKhertan, florian: heya12:11
Khertan1hi wazd12:11
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wazdbtw, I've checked new gmail for iphone/G1 with the tablet12:15
wazdIt's so dumb12:15
Khertan1haha12:15
Khertan1there is a new gmail css for iphone ?12:15
wazdit's hardcoded to 320px width12:15
Khertan1yep12:15
Khertan1as the older12:15
wazdjeez, thats 19th century!12:15
Khertan1and all iPhone related things12:15
X-FadeStsN800: Yeah, we really should look at what we could offer for doing community translations.12:15
wazdBut the dumbest thing is12:16
wazdthat it scales while loading12:16
wazdscales pretty fine12:16
wazdand then Bam! 32012:16
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wazdSo it means people even on the iphone or G1 are forced to use that stuff in portrait mode.12:19
StsN800heh12:19
wazdI wonder how to type in portrait mode with G1 :)12:20
RST38hwazd: May a few statements to the default .css file help though?12:20
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GeneralAntillesFixed width is so silly.12:21
GeneralAntillesYou're arbitrarily limiting your users for no reason.12:21
wazdRST38h: Itdoesn't matter how you can fix this, matters that such a large company as Google, that caresbout standards'n'stuff, actually does that kind of crap :)12:21
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RST38hwazd: Maybe they have a reason12:25
RST38hMaybe they implicitely do not want non-gphone users access it?12:26
wazdRST38h: okay, but how G1 user can normally use it in landscape mode/type?12:26
RST38hwazd: http://www.everyjoe.com/thegadgetblog/files/2008/09/g1-phone.jpg12:29
RST38hthat's how12:29
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wazdRST38h: I talk bout gmail :)12:36
wazdhttp://www.mrmobileblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/200904081854.jpg12:37
RST38hwazd: Ah shit12:38
RST38hwazd: and it does not even scale to 320x240 as opposed to 240x320?12:39
wazdRST38h: yep12:39
RST38hthe guy who has done it ought to be whipped12:39
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wazdRST38h: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0904/0e/4013c5e6f9ad.jpg <- just raw 32013:00
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lcukwazd, liqbase wasn't second - it was selected :)14:05
lcukwell, zachs proposal was accepted rather14:05
wazdlcuk: gratz anyway :)14:07
wazdlcuk: Don't know what does that mean, but cool anyway :D14:07
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lcukwazd, i did nothing for this, zach came to me with an idea for an app and it fitted in extremely well with the next few months of liqbase development14:08
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GeneralAntillesI have one simple question for Nokia:14:29
GeneralAntillesWhat the _fuck_ is a "Sharing plug-in"?!14:30
samposharing is caring14:30
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Gone, hopefully. It'll be an Ovi video plugin, an Ovi music plugin, an Ovi photo plugin and an Ovi chat plugin.14:30
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GeneralAntilleshttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c1314:31
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Oh FFS. I saw andre's comment but hadn't seen qgil's14:33
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andre___tss, tss! :-P14:36
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c1514:36
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, what I said, but without the bile. ;)14:37
X-FadeHehe I try to be as nice as possible ;)14:38
thuxGeneralAntilles: you asked from nokia, is here somebody who speaks behave of nokia?14:38
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, re: 4298, it seems like there's enough space to keep the breadcrumb there without having to pad the header down farther.14:38
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GeneralAntillesthux, there are lots of Nokians, only very infrequently any who can speak on behalf of Nokia in an official capacity.14:38
GeneralAntillesand then only on certain specific subjects.14:39
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yeah, but not on the front page?14:39
thuxok14:39
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, it seems like just reducing the padding/margins on the breadcrumbs should be enough.14:40
GeneralAntillesBut that's just by a quick comparison of newstyle.maemo.org and newstyle.maemo.org/downloads14:40
andre___Yeah, the answer to "what is a sharing plug-in" definitely leads to answers like "ovi".14:40
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: yeah, but there was this other bug where Tim wanted more spacing between breadcrumb and top nav. That is why there is so much space now ;)14:41
Jaffaandre___: I'm sure Nokia would love it if we populated it with thepiratebay.org plugins :)14:41
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, lol.14:41
GeneralAntillesOh whore14:41
GeneralAntillesComment's sitting in a mid-air14:41
GeneralAntillesDamn you, X-Fade!14:41
andre___Jaffa, sounds more like Extras category to me than officially shipped stuff ;-)14:41
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well then you don't have to apologize for your rude comment ;)14:42
JaffaMmmm, bile :)14:43
* GeneralAntilles vomits.14:43
lopzhola14:44
* andre___ offers another beer for breakfast to GeneralAntilles14:45
GeneralAntillesI'm a mean drunk, do you really want MORE bile? :P14:45
andre___well, seems you're still quite productive when being drunk :-P14:46
GeneralAntillesOvi is so silly14:47
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GeneralAntillesSocial networking that's limited to people who own Nokia products is about as ridiculous as it gets.14:48
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well, I kind of like that I can take a picture and it is automatically added to my album etc.14:48
GeneralAntillesA Flickr plugin would be better.14:48
X-FadeWell, there are ;)14:48
X-FadeIt is in my N95 by default.14:49
X-FadeAnd ovi has an open API, IIRC?14:51
X-FadeAs yerga created pyshare for it, I think?14:52
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GeneralAntillesI say we break down and just create a category for every Nokia brand.14:59
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AFBlackfunny I didn't know I was online at home until I couldn't login at work16:06
StsN800lo afb16:07
StsN800how's it going?16:07
AFBlackgoing good Mer is looking good btw16:08
StsN800ta16:08
StsN800moving nicely ahead616:08
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StsN800lo rkirti16:09
rkirtiStsN800, hello!16:09
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AFBlackanyone seen x-fade today?16:10
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* AFBlack needs to find someone to donate a server hosting for Maemobox.org 16:22
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StsN800might be difficult16:23
timsamoffAFBlack: He's in #maemo-meeting right now.16:23
AFBlackyeah, everyone likes download off maemobox but not helping :)16:23
AFBlacktimsamoff: is he talking there now?16:23
timsamoffAFBlack: Yes, we're in a maemo.org redesign meeting right now.16:24
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AFBlackohh well I don't want to both your meeting16:24
timsamoff;)16:25
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Macerhello16:33
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StsN800lo16:34
Macerhey StsN800 .. still in poland?16:35
woglindests is on poland?16:35
Macersomeone probably stole your n800 from your place by now :)16:35
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Macerhaha16:35
woglindelol16:35
StsN800yup. package waiting for me16:35
Macerwhere does your pkg wait?16:35
StsN800in post office16:35
Macerhow long do they keep it there?16:35
StsN80014 days16:36
StsN800picking it up friday16:36
Macerwell.. at least i know sending stuff international usps works :)16:36
Macerhaha16:36
Macercastle is an awesome show16:37
StsN800bbl16:38
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svu_alterego?16:43
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woglinde*g*16:46
thopiekarhi.. is sudser available on os2007, too?16:46
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thopiekari mean the package in the programmanager called sudser ..16:47
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RST38hsvu: Don't mourn too much, another scripting-language-of-the-day will come up in the next month or two16:50
woglinderst *g*16:50
woglindeI dont think so16:50
RST38hHey, Sts, how is .PL?16:50
Khertan1lol16:51
jaskathe perl tld16:51
RST38hwoglinde: "You think you see no giant carnivorous hamster, but It exists!"16:51
woglinderst In russia I bet16:51
RST38hwoglinde: yes, soothe yourself with this thought... =)16:52
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woglindehi udovdh16:52
Maceri love nexenta.. i sure wish it would run on my artigo16:52
udovdhhello woglinde16:52
* Khertan1 has finally understand how qt works16:53
woglindekhertan gratz16:53
Khertan1a little different approch from gtk16:53
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woglindekhertan yes you dont have thousands of _inits()16:53
Khertan1woglinde: in python we don't have thousands of _inits()16:54
Khertan1:)16:54
Macergtk needs to go away :)16:54
Khertan1to be honest at this time i didn't see any advantage to use qt instead of gtk on the nits16:55
Khertan1instead of some developpers advantage16:55
Khertan1s/instead/excepts16:55
Macerit looks better16:55
woglindemacer yes16:55
Khertan1macer : not really ...16:55
Khertan1currently gtk look better on maemo than qt16:56
woglindekhertan hm I like to prgoramm in c++ more16:56
Maceri think it does.. at the very least the apps seem more uniform16:56
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Macerlike always having ok and cancel on teh same sides16:56
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Khertan1"at the very least the apps " << yep white widget on white box16:56
Khertan1all things is white16:57
Macerbut then again i'm sure that's a dev thing.. but it seems that they don't pay attention to it :)16:57
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Maceryeah... plus. i don't know what it is.. but it looks old and dated16:57
Macerlike an advanced windows 3.11 :)16:57
Khertan1Macer ... depending on theme16:57
woglindemacer nope16:57
woglindeantonio works hard on it16:58
Macerwell. i'm just saying with qt you could see an obvious advancement in kde16:59
Macerwith gtk the apps look like they're mid 90s :)16:59
Khertan1Macer ... hum ...17:00
Khertan1really ?17:00
woglindelol17:00
mgedminthe default gtk theme is pretty bad17:00
Khertan1the default17:00
woglindeso you mean gtk looks now how kde looked in version117:00
Khertan1but look at the default qt theme on nit17:01
Khertan1it s worst17:01
mgedminsometimes I see people post screenshots of gtk apps using the default theme17:01
mgedminI cannot understand those people17:01
mgedminnow the default gnome theme is pretty17:01
Khertan1http://khertan.net/softwares/mCalendar/screenshot-5.png17:01
Khertan1it s a gtk apps17:01
mgedminmuch prettier than any of the kde themes I've ever seen17:01
GeneralAntillesLinux has a problem with shitty defaults.17:01
* mgedmin puts on asbestos underwear17:01
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GeneralAntillesKDE 4's default theme is gag-worthy.17:01
woglindegenerall you mean the kernel?17:02
woglindecde looks like 80s17:02
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Khertan1hum ... sorry for having launching this troll17:02
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woglindekhertan no prob17:03
Khertan1so to close the things ... i ll suggest you some great theme for your gnome desktop : http://francois.vogelweith.com/17:03
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thuxabout candy, is new tablet going to be 3d accelerated? that compiz etc will work?17:06
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GeneralAntillesIt's using Clutter17:06
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woglindewith gles17:06
GeneralAntilles^17:07
woglindethis should be answer enough17:07
woglindeclutter ang gles I mean17:07
lcukthux the new tablet uses a clutter based compositing manager17:07
woglindeand17:07
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woglindere lcuk17:07
thuxthen 3d yes17:07
lcukhi lol17:08
thuxand gaming is more advanced too17:08
lcukyes thux, ymmv as to how to get 3d into your app17:08
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lcukbut im not here now lol17:09
lcukbbl17:09
Khertan1lcuk: get 3D in apps is really easy with 4D Glasses and Some Vectrex like Filter17:09
Khertan13D glasses17:09
lcukKhertan1, wouldnt the edges of the cubes chafe on your face a bit?17:10
Khertan1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg17:10
Khertan1http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Vectrex.jpg17:10
Khertan1sorry here is the right link17:11
thuxtuxracer on tablets then17:11
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Khertan1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbGRkdHPqlc << the best game i ve ever play17:13
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woglindekhertan lol the gamepad17:17
Khertan1yeah but the gamepad was robust17:17
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Khertan1this was a very old console ... the first one to not done graphic pixel by pixel17:18
Khertan1his name vectrex ... come from vectoriel17:18
Khertan1the screen display line ... not pix17:18
Khertan1:)17:18
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Khertan1Motorola 68A09 cadencé à 1.6 MHz17:19
Khertan1this is the cpu17:19
Khertan1with 1Ko of ram17:19
Khertan1and 8Ko for the BIOS :)17:19
Khertan1and in this 8Ko there is the game minefield17:19
woglindeuh and they have rtype17:19
woglindeas game17:19
wazdHostile enviroment in deep space!17:19
Khertan1screen : Samsung 240RB40 noir et blanc vectoriel17:19
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Khertan1it s not rtype ...17:20
woglindescramble17:20
woglindeyes yes17:20
Khertan1it s better !17:20
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Khertan1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpYOy2qp9OI17:20
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woglindehm why this console was no sucess17:21
Khertan1too expensive17:21
woglindenever heard of it before17:22
Khertan1:)17:22
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Khertan1she was made in 198217:22
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Khertan1at this time where only a few elitist people own there own micro computer17:23
woglindelol17:23
woglindehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vMliUZxQeU&feature=related17:23
Khertan1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_198317:24
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Khertan1i like how they do colors :)17:26
Khertan1but in your video this is not the original gamepad17:27
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woglindehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex17:29
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woglindekhertan it is explained in the wiki acrticle17:29
RST38hVectrex was too weird17:31
woglindeokay17:31
RST38hIts failure had nothing to do with the videogame crash, it was just too weird17:31
woglindewill go home17:31
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Khertan1RST38h: are you kidding ?17:32
RST38hKhertan: No17:32
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woglindebye till later17:33
Khertan1haha ...17:33
Khertan1this was far away better than some actual console !17:33
RST38hKhertan: See Virtual Boy for the more recent example of the same17:34
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Khertan1virtual boy is a failure because each time someone use it more than 10 minutes he goes ill17:34
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RST38hThat too17:34
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Khertan1you can get ill by using a vectrex :17:35
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RST38hKhertan: you can get color blind though, as it had no chrominance or luminance controls17:36
Khertan1lol17:36
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RST38hAll in all, it was an amusing piece of hardware, pretty much like VB17:37
Khertan1did you have really try it ?17:37
RST38hYea17:37
Khertan1hum ... are you sure this is a vectrex ?17:37
RST38hAnd we did a similar thing with a standard oscilloscope back in high school times17:37
RST38hKhertan; Well, it looked like one, seen it at a flea market17:38
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Khertan1yes so you never really play with it17:38
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RST38hKhertan: It was turned on and people played with it17:39
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Khertan1as i ve play with one when i was younger ...17:39
RST38hKhertan: I started playing on an MSX17:39
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Khertan1and really ... it s really better than the other things that exists17:39
RST38hKhertan: So, I measure most these systems by MSX standards17:39
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RST38hKhertan: Well, it is a vector based device, so it is DIFFERENT. As to being better, I wouldn't bet on it17:40
GeneralAntillesNostalgia is the most important metric for determining the relative awesomeness of old consoles. ;)17:41
RST38hThat is another department where women do better than hardware though =)17:42
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RST38hAnyone knows what happens with x86 rol eax,cl when cl>31?17:45
RST38hfound it., ok17:45
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thuxRST38h: rol, eax, cl what those cpu commands?17:48
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RST38hrol is an x86 assembler instruction17:49
thuxok17:49
RST38heax is what is known as "accumulator" in Intel world17:49
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RST38hcl is just an 8bit register specifying shift amount17:49
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* mgedmin wonders if there was ever an instruction set with a lol instruction17:50
RST38hNope17:50
RST38hBut there was HCF, if that strikes your fancy17:51
thuxpersistent urban rumor sayz (heard it many times) that linus went to help intel with p4 instructions, i never believed that thou17:53
RST38hLinux went to Transmeta, not Intel17:54
RST38hBut the rumor may have some grounds in that pesky divizion bug17:54
thuxthat is true17:54
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RST38hthux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug17:54
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RST38hActually, wrong bug, wait =)17:55
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Khertan1bye17:55
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RST38hHere, enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F00f17:55
thuxthanks17:56
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thuxbtw cause low level experts around, i ask something off topic which has bother me :) got two years old lap turion64 which got acpi dsdt bug, some say purposely written (phoenix bios) bother linux works with vista, is there a way go around dsdt bugs? (tried all acpi and apic options in grub)18:07
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RST38hGet yourself a geniune Intel-based laptop? =)18:09
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RST38hactually it looks like this is a chipset bug18:11
thuxok18:12
pupnik_many great engineers at intel18:13
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pupnik_but i will never forgive 808818:14
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thuxif i use linux all the fans are full speed all the time cause fan control ain't work18:15
|dl9pf|thux: if you find/found a correct dsdt, you can load it with the kernel18:15
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thux|dl9pf|: yes they say that can even rewrite buggy parts if knows acpi language18:16
RST38hpupnik: Is 8088 any worse than the rest of them? =)18:18
pupnik_it turned me off real coding when i was a wee lad18:19
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RST38hpupnik: well, things have not improved much =)18:41
RST38hpupnik: with x86 architecture, I mean, not with you =)18:41
pupnik_both18:42
pupnik_but its all ok18:42
pupnik_we are imperfect18:42
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thopiekarhow can a os2007 user execute a command as root?18:47
gomiamyou can install becomeroot...18:47
mgedminby getting root access using one of the documented methods, one of them being becomeroot18:47
thopiekarwhere can i get it?18:47
gomiamand osso-xterm18:47
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mgedminI think installing openssh-server on os2007 also let you set the root password, or was that new in os2008?18:47
RST38hopenssh is the best solution IMHO18:48
thopiekarI need it because someone of the german maemo forum (n800.de) has trouble with his tablet18:48
* qwerty12 likes sudser for OS200818:48
thopiekarRST38h: I just need the easiest way ;)18:48
gomiammgedmin: openssh-server let you do that on os2007 too.18:48
thopiekarsudser is fine, but not available for os200718:49
thopiekar;)18:49
qwerty12Er, yes, hence the OS2008 ;)18:49
thopiekarso the package is called becomeroot?18:49
thopiekarhas I can remember the user is able to get root with sudo gainroot right?18:50
thopiekar..18:51
mgedminthere were two versions of becomeroot, 0.1 and 0.218:54
mgedminthey used different ways of granting root access18:54
mgedminone let you sudo su, the other let you sudo gainroot, IIRC18:54
mgedminsudo gainroot is also what you can use if you enable r&d mode with the flasher18:54
RST38hthopiekar: ssh is the easiest way as you can log in remotely18:54
RST38hthopiekar: otherwise, it is either virtual keyboard or whatever n810 abomination is called18:55
thopiekarRST38h: I don't think it'S the easiest way for a beginner..18:55
thopiekarthe user has joined the forum the last days..18:56
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RST38hok18:56
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mgedmin"beginner" and "root access" don't exactly mesh19:10
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thopiekarmgedmin: :P19:22
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RST38hon the other hand, he has to brick his tablet for the first time, hasn't he?19:29
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Guest7846_680someone have a tip for generate a code for base64 image (whit space at rigth place for control files) ???20:06
RST38huuencode -m20:06
Guest7846_680and what path20:07
RST38hman uuencode20:08
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Guest7846_680so is root@pubuntu:/home# x.png uuencode -m20:11
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Guest7846_680?20:12
RST38hmmm20:12
RST38hyou probably want to start by reading some introductory book on Unix20:12
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Guest7846_680iam better learning when i practice20:13
Guest7846_680h/h/20:13
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Guest7846_680but tx20:13
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RST38hpractice running a program called "man" then20:14
RST38h"man uuencode" will tell you all you need to know about uuencode20:14
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woglindea programm from the stoneage20:18
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RST38hit works.20:23
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RST38hhttp://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9341_Will_the_Visible_Operating_Sys.php20:24
woglinderst I know20:25
CutMeOwnThroatwoglinde, has to be good if the druids used it to program their stone-circles20:25
CutMeOwnThroatbug-free :)20:25
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Guest7846_680dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1         ????20:35
Guest7846_680what this mean20:36
woglindethat the debian/changelog file has an error20:36
qwerty12Or it doesn't exist...20:36
woglindeqwerty12 right20:36
Guest7846_680this files is very necessary? for build a pack20:37
woglindeyes20:37
Guest7846_680ok20:37
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Guest7846_680and how i can know my error in   if he exist already20:37
woglindehm new ubuntu in 2 days20:38
woglindenetbook remix next week20:38
woglindeand kernel will be .24 for poulsbo chipset I bet20:38
thuxabout compiling programs, c20:38
thuxups20:38
thuxcan i do same than in pc?20:39
woglindethux what?20:39
thuxconfigure make20:39
thuxmake install20:39
woglindeconfigure make runs on many platforms20:39
thuxin tablet too?20:40
woglindeif you like sm yes20:40
thuxwhat is the problem? geting through configure?20:42
CutMeOwnThroatnoki20:42
CutMeOwnThroatops20:42
woglindethux the speed20:42
thuxah20:42
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Guest7846_680i cant find where is my error in the changelog file20:47
Guest7846_680maybe i not save it in good way20:47
woglindeguest diff it with a working one20:48
thuxwoglinde: theoritically i could pull firefox source to tablet and start to configure? would i get binaries that run at some point? no architechture problems?20:50
woglindetheoretical it should work20:51
woglindebut you need 2 gb extened card20:51
StsN800practically busybox is a pita20:51
woglindests haha type bash20:52
woglinde*ducks and hide*20:52
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RST38hthux: theoretically yes, practically don't21:00
thuxcause busybox?21:01
StsN800and sanity21:01
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id10t'lo all21:43
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id10ti've got a n770, had it for a long time, but its been a while since i've updated... whats the latest OS I can run on it?21:44
StsN800os2008he, or mer21:45
id10tcool, thanks21:45
id10tgonna update tonight21:45
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CutMeOwnThroata-gps21:46
CutMeOwnThroatdamnit21:46
CutMeOwnThroatagain21:46
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robtaylorCutMeOwnThroat: dibbler?21:48
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VDVsxStsN800, how is going the promotion of maemo/mozilla event ?21:49
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StsN800VDVsx, not sure. would be nicer with more mer peeps21:53
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Shadow__XCutMeOwnThroat, have you gotten gps locks to come down in time21:57
VDVsxStsN800, I just spamed some LinkedIn mobile groups with the event :P, probably is there some DK people, promotion at the university that will held the event will be probably good to attract more people too.21:58
StsN800VDVsx, k sounds good21:58
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CutMeOwnThroatrobtaylor, saussageinnabun?22:27
CutMeOwnThroattoday with free mustard!22:27
CutMeOwnThroatShadow__X?22:28
CutMeOwnThroatah, no, just fooling around with it for the first time22:28
CutMeOwnThroatthat a-gps should have gone into google, but the mouse moved22:28
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Shadow__Xah ok22:31
CutMeOwnThroattrying to figure what software one should use for the gps22:32
Shadow__Xagps will help aquistion times22:34
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Shadow__Xit gives a closer area to search for gps satellite22:35
GeneralAntilleslol . . . http://www.raiden.net/articles/big_things_come_in_little_packages_an_overview_of_the_maemo_project/22:35
Khertan_mer_mibbhello !22:35
Khertan_mer_mibbstskeep: your repository is down ?22:36
GeneralAntillesIt's so wrong, I can't help but think it's satire.22:36
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KhertanHello 2 :)22:46
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RST38hmoo khertan22:57
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: I like the way he gets upset on ITT when Gizmodo or someone gets a new device to play with and he, as a serious blogg^Wjournalist, doesn't.23:01
JaffaOh, Comic Sans MS. I didn't even know I had it on this box. How irritating.23:01
GeneralAntillesHaha23:02
* RST38h likes Comic Sans MS. Ho ho ho23:02
RST38h(*not* everywhere though =))23:03
GeneralAntillesJaffa, it's got to be satire.23:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Oh god, that's almost like The Onion does Maemo.23:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: From his ITT persona, I'd doubt it.23:03
GeneralAntillesYeah, I doubt it too23:03
GeneralAntillesbut I can't believe it.23:03
* Jaffa also likes the hideously broken character encoding23:03
Jaffa(since I seem to spend every other week diagnosing them at work ;-))23:03
GeneralAntillesI wonder if my freedesktop.org bug was ever fixed.23:05
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Guest4105_304any info somewhere about zephir23:06
JaffaGuest4105_304: Xephyr? (The nested X server allowing you to see the SDK environment on a box)23:06
GeneralAntillesOf course not https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1821823:06
GeneralAntillesNot exactly confidence inspiring.23:06
Guest4105_304yes jaffa or better then that iam on ubu23:07
JaffaGuest4105_304: `apt-get install xserver-xephyr' should do it for you23:08
Guest4105_304tx23:09
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StsN800i wonder if MIDs do psm.23:13
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GeneralAntillesStsN800, who else implements WiFi PSM?23:13
GeneralAntillesI'd really love to know.23:14
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GeneralAntillesAfter buying this Mini 9, I've decided that I can't live without tablet-grade powersaving.23:14
StsN800yeah - i really wonder23:14
StsN800the psm based on system activity is surprisingily logic23:15
GeneralAntillesHonestly, I doubt there'd be much point since they've got that giant Atom in there. ;)23:15
GeneralAntillesI mean, Intel's designed it to be turned off when not in use.23:15
StsN800true23:15
GeneralAntillesWhich has got to be the silliest thing ever.23:16
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woglindega you have a mini9 with pouslbo?23:18
woglindehaha23:18
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GeneralAntillespouslbo?23:18
woglindepoulsbo23:18
woglindegma50023:19
GeneralAntillesAh, OK.23:19
GeneralAntillesIt was $24023:19
GeneralAntillesI needed an x86 machine.23:19
woglindeand now you are stick with kernel .2423:19
GeneralAntillesEr?23:19
GeneralAntillesIt's on kernel 28 or 29 at the moment.23:20
woglindeor is vesa enough for you23:20
v6sahello, I created account on garage.maemo.org and I am waiting over 30 minutes already to log in on maemo.org but nutin!23:20
v6saany comments?23:20
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lcukyeah, it was a nice day today23:21
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, 2.6.2823:21
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, I think your info's off.23:21
woglindenot really23:22
woglindeif you want the cool feature the poulsbo really can do23:22
woglindeyou are sticked with .2423:22
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, well, what you're saying and what I'm seeing don't mesh.23:22
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GeneralAntillesWell, either you're wrong or it's a GMA 950.23:26
woglindega hm23:26
woglindethen mini10 was it23:26
woglindelet me see23:26
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woglindeah sorry23:27
woglindedamned why I mixed them up23:28
* woglinde goes in the corner23:28
GeneralAntillesv6sa, it takes a little time.23:30
GeneralAntillesPatience is key.23:30
v6sa:D23:30
v6saapproximately?23:30
GeneralAntillesv6sa, alternatively, make sure you're not capitalizing your username.23:30
v6saI didn't do that23:30
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kanthhi23:56
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