IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-04-19

RST38hAnd I am not even sure how it compares with OLPC in terms of market penetration00:00
milhouseDunno about penetration, but they're both going for the same market00:00
milhouseAnd basically fcking each other over - so nobody wins00:00
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milhouseleast of all the customers00:00
RST38hnot sure if there IS market, given how chip generic desktops are00:01
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milhouseI think some of the benefits of OLPC were in the software stack00:01
milhouseMesh networking etc. - all very do-able on consumer kit, but maybe not so easy to roll your own00:01
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RST38hAh, who needs this stuff except for a few graduate students with papers to write?00:03
RST38hIn reality you have got a generic access point, some kind of an uplink (DSL or satellite) and a bunch of Windows laptops with Office.00:04
woglinderst he00:04
woglindeseems my diploma thesis will be on this topic00:04
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lbtJaffa: I'm trying to prep Qt for Mer on badger and think I need debhelper or something...01:09
lbt(narrowing it down...)01:10
lbtah, cdbs01:11
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lbtto do : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i01:11
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lbtbed now... g'night01:35
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* b-man16 has successfully created a port of PearPC for the NITs :) 01:42
b-man16it uses x11 instead of gtk thought - mainly because it failed to build with gtk enabled01:42
b-man16re: though01:43
Macerwatching the host01:44
luke-jrwhat good is PearPC?01:44
locutusimagine booting OSX with that :)01:45
locutusit'll only take what, 3 days to boot? ;-)01:45
b-man16it is an experiment01:45
Macerwtf is pearpc?01:45
luke-jrPPC emu01:46
Macerthat sounds horrible01:46
b-man16like i said, it is an experiment XD01:46
* b-man16 was allrety successful in emulating NITdroid on his N800 ;)01:48
luke-jrwhat is NIT01:48
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Macerlol. the host is funny01:48
b-man16internet tablet - aka n800/n81001:48
Macerit is like korean cloverfield01:48
Macerexcept more of a movie01:49
luke-jrI like the term Nseries more ;)01:50
luke-jrb-man16: eww, GNOME01:50
b-man16it runs fine :P01:50
luke-jrGNOME doesn't run fine on *anything*01:50
* b-man16 prefers Gnome over KDE or XFCE01:51
b-man16and i don't care about your opinion XD01:52
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Shadow__X1hey what cellphone is close to a n81002:49
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b-man16it's been  very quite here lately :P02:52
Shadow__X1i was looking at the g102:54
Shadow__X1untill i saw how much it would be monthly02:54
Shadow__X1that hurts02:54
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Shadow__X1i want a smart phone and i hate windows02:54
Shadow__X1dont have much options left02:54
Shadow__X1and i am not to thrilled about blackberry02:54
Macerget an android phone02:57
Maceri have a g1 its 90/month02:57
Shadow__X1yeah i looked at the my faves 300 minutes a month with unlim web its 75 a month02:58
Macerall other "smartphones" will cost just as much with any other carrier02:58
Shadow__X1thats alot02:58
Shadow__X1eh not really if i stay with vzw i get a 50% discount02:58
Shadow__X1just trying to find phones that i would like02:58
Maceratt's unlimited plans were 120/month02:58
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Shadow__X1how is android btw02:59
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Macerits ok03:01
Maceri think it needs a lot of work03:01
Macerbut it is getting better03:02
Macerwell.. for one thing the bluetooth support is nonexistant03:02
Macerit only supports a bt earpiece03:02
Macerno a2dp or hid03:03
Shadow__X1i dont use those still still understand the want for them03:03
Macerthere are only 5 apps on the market worth using...03:03
Shadow__X1such as ?03:04
Maceruhm... the lack of no soft keyboard was a total let down03:04
Shadow__X1i just have an issue with windows mobile esp that i dont like installing their stupid app on a computer03:04
Shadow__X1hmm right03:04
Maceri think there are a couple office apps03:04
Macerquickoffice which was absolutely awesome for my n9503:05
Maceronly lets you view docs03:05
Maceron android03:05
Macerit is garbage and for $20?03:05
Shadow__X1i can open a good amount on n81003:05
Macerwhich doesnt matter because lack of bluetooth hid support03:05
Macermeans no bluetooth keyboard03:06
Shadow__X1yeah i know03:06
Maceri used to type entire papers on my n95 with quickoffice03:06
Shadow__X1but you do have a keyboard on there03:06
Macercant touch type with just your thumbs03:06
Macerwith the n95 i could use my su8w bluetooth keyboard03:07
Macertethering the g1 requires hacking root on it03:07
Macerwhich is easy enough but still a pain03:07
Shadow__X1right i dont mind short typing on n81003:07
Macerthe interface is good though03:08
Macerg1 has a pretty strong gpu for a phone03:08
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Shadow__X1can it stream videos?03:08
Maceri'd say if symbian ditched the old interface and made something as nice as android.. it would be 10x better03:09
Macerit has a youtube app03:09
Macerthat can watch youtube vids.. but no flash player03:09
Macerit can play ipod encoded mp4s fairly well03:10
Macerbut since there is no a2dp you have to use wired headphones03:10
Macerwhich uses the usb port03:10
Shadow__X1yeah i mean i cant really watch too much on the n81003:10
Macern810 plays ipod encoded mp4s fine03:11
Macerat least my n800 did03:11
Shadow__X1hmm i guess i could encode my stuff03:11
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Maceruse nero recode03:11
Shadow__X1i just try to stream everything the way they are03:11
Macerwith the ipod profile03:11
Shadow__X1fs is linux03:11
Shadow__X1is there a nero recode for linux03:12
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Macermy fileserver is nexenta03:12
Macerzfs ftw03:12
Macernexenta = opensolaris + gnu (debian apt-get)03:12
MacerStskeeps told me about it a while back and i have been using it since. it kicks ass03:13
Shadow__X1ah ok03:13
Macerlinux sucked as a fs03:13
Maceras did fbsd03:13
Macerthe filesystems they use suck for huge volumes03:14
Maceri have an 8TB raid 503:14
Maceri have never gotten the performance that i get with zfs03:14
Shadow__X1i do 4tb raid 5 xfs03:15
Macermy gbit is the bottleneck. i get sustained 100MB/s xfers03:15
Shadow__X1kernel raid03:15
Shadow__X1so do i03:15
Shadow__X1whats the issue03:15
Macernever tried xfs03:15
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Shadow__X1i easily max out gbit03:15
Maceri didnt for some reason03:15
Macerlinux anf fbsd were like running a 100mbit network03:16
Macerwell. i have to get ready for work. ttyl03:16
Shadow__X1alright well thanks and hf at work03:16
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Maceryeah right ;)03:16
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inland0hi everybody03:56
inland0I'm in a special situation03:56
inland0I'm far from home and I forgot my USB cable and I'd like to totally reset my Nokia N80003:56
inland0is there a way to do it ?03:57
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luke-jrinland0: probably03:59
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jpereirahello, somebody known some negative points for Nokia N800? i ask this becouse i think buy the n80004:02
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inland0luke-jr: great, I'll try to search more on internet, but for now I'm finding nothing04:04
luke-jrI wouldn't expect anyone's ever done it04:05
luke-jrjust possible04:05
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LinuxCodeN810 uses  standard mini-usb04:13
LinuxCodenot sure about N800 though04:13
luke-jryeah right04:14
luke-jrstandard technically maybe04:14
luke-jrbut nothing else uses it04:14
ShadowJKLinuxCode, no, N810 uses standard MICRO-usb. N800 uses standard MINI-usb.04:16
LinuxCodeShadowJK, ehh yes04:16
LinuxCodeinland0, so your answer is, you want a standard mini-usb cable04:17
LinuxCodea lot of digi cams use mini-usb too04:17
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inland0I have a digi cam but it's not the right size.  I'll ask around me then, thanks04:21
jpereirawhat the resolution the cam of n800 LinuxCode ?04:22
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fuzzybunnyyo peeps04:44
fuzzybunnyis the general there?04:45
LinuxCodeGA has been idle for 5+ hours04:45
LinuxCodejpereira, dunno04:45
LinuxCodeI have got a N81004:45
fuzzybunnyme have a n80004:45
fuzzybunnyiv been having problems installing gsfonts04:46
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fuzzybunnycan anyone help me?04:46
jpereiraLinuxCode: dunno? O_o, dunno is city at italia, understand...04:46
fuzzybunnyQwerty_12_N800 (your cue)04:47
fuzzybunnylinux code is gone04:47
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fuzzybunnyjpereira: can u help plz04:49
fuzzybunnyi feel like i am legend here'z04:49
fuzzybunnywill smith roxz04:49
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fuzzybunnyyo doc, I need some help04:51
fuzzybunnymost of the people seem like zombies04:51
fuzzybunnyoh no!04:52
fuzzybunnyhave they got you too?!04:52
fuzzybunnycan someone plese just respond04:52
fuzzybunnyfudge monkeys04:53
glassare on you coke04:53
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glassare you on coke04:53
fuzzybunnyim on marajuana04:53
glasswell, thats no reason to act like you're under coke04:53
fuzzybunny"gurgle, gurgle, hack, hack!"04:54
fuzzybunnyglass: can u help me04:54
fuzzybunnycant install gsfonts on os2008 on my N800.04:55
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jpereiraFireFox: you be crazy?05:26
FireFoxnah, sorry if my nick changes are driving you crazy, i'm on ubuntu-offtopic atm ;)05:27
FireFox(funny, crazy channel)05:27
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fireunstupid chasing of a ball around a room trumps politico-drama Kings... stupid basketball06:39
luke-jroh nice06:40
luke-jrnow that I don't have Maemo running06:40
luke-jrno RAM shortage at all06:40
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Snahtso, I just got done doing some, albeit non-extensive, searching about making a viop call from my handheld (Nokia n810) to a cell phone. Skype appears to charge for this type of call...I was not aware of this. The06:52
Snaht"internet call" application also does not appear to support this.06:52
Snahtwhat am I missing?06:52
Snaht(much, I'm sure)06:53
radic_good morning06:53
radic_I compiled gaim for the N800, in src/protocols there are .la and .lo files but no .so...06:54
luke-jrSnaht: "Internet Call" does support it06:56
luke-jrSnaht: just get a SIP service06:56
luke-jrSnaht: or use gtalk2voip06:57
Snahtah, I'll check that out.  Thank you.06:57
luke-jrSnaht: no matter what, though, you'll be paying for non-tollfree calls ;)06:58
luke-jranyone know if the Diablo kernel supports kexec?06:59
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radic_luke-jr: you can compile your kernel self...07:03
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luke-jrradic_: that defeats the point07:03
luke-jrI just wants to make my kernel choosable on the bootmenu :/07:04
radic_luke-jr: I think the default-kernel wouldn't support it07:04
luke-jrany way to get Fn to work in the console?07:04
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radic_luke-jr: but you dosn't need kexec() If you want to boot it07:05
luke-jrradic_: ?07:05
Snahtluke-jr: By that, do you mean that I'll be paying for the Internet connection, however I connect to the Internet? Or, does that mean there will be some sort of charges incurred, somewhere, if I try to make the call?07:05
luke-jrSnaht: phone calls have a cost07:05
luke-jrradic_: how else would the boot menu change kernel?07:05
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radic_luke-jr: the bootloder loads the kernel image...07:06
radic_luke-jr: kexec() is for switching the kernel on the running system07:06
luke-jrI thought the bootloader was already a running system…?07:08
radic_the bootloader loads the kernel-image and executes it07:09
radic_the image loades the modules07:09
radic_mounts the file system07:10
radic_and executs the init-process07:10
luke-jrbut the bootloader is a sh script..07:10
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radic_<-- confused07:11
radic_ok, then you have to load a new kernel with kexec()07:14
radic_hmm, is it possible to replace nolo withe lilo?07:15
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luke-jrLILO sucks07:32
luke-jrnobody uses that anymore07:32
luke-jrGRUB replaced it07:32
luke-jrand both LILO and GRUB are inherently BIOS/x8607:34
radic_I use lilo on my notebook07:42
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radic_why are the .so files not compiled from gaim...?08:08
luke-jrcuz gaim sucks and is obsolete?08:12
luke-jrwhy are you trying to use so much obsolete stuff?08:12
fireungaim is very dated08:12
SnahtI dated gaim once...08:13
fireunpidgin is really the same beast08:13
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radic_luke-jr: I only want get a protocoll-module auf gaim running withe pidgim08:13
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Stskeepsluke-jr: kexec doesn\t function properly on n8x009:31
luke-jrlooks like the more merged kernels aren't quite there in quality yet anyway09:31
luke-jrwhich leaves me no good solution for vt console09:32
luke-jrI guess09:32
Stskeepsjust build the module for fbcon09:32
Stskeepsthat's what we do09:33
luke-jrStskeeps: I mean keyboard input09:33
luke-jrthe Fn key is ignored09:33
Stskeepsyes, the Fn key is impressively funny09:33
Stskeepsthere's a bug on it, look at mer sprint pages09:34
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1209:34
qwerty12ello Stskeeps09:35
Stskeepshow's stuff?09:35
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luke-jr"there's a bug on it" doesn't help me :p09:35
Stskeepssure it does, it explains the issue09:35
RST38hmorning all09:35
qwerty12Stskeeps: I'm all good, thanks, how about you?09:35
Stskeepsyou can probably make a console keymap09:35
qwerty12morning RST38h09:35
Stskeepsqwerty12: early up in a cold house09:35
qwerty12heh :/09:35
thuxStskeeps: is poland nice place?09:36
Stskeepsyeah, beautiful nature, hot girls..09:36
thuxand many talented ict people there too09:37
Stskeepswell that stems from a nature science education in primary schools that is a lot better than the hippie western ones where focus is on the soul and intrepretations of texts where the only explanation is, actually, "the author smoked a lot of weed and had gf trouble"09:39
Stskeeps(as i may have said before, i'm danish, but engaged to a polish girl :P)09:40
thuxwe in .fi are quite east but we only had linus but he moved away09:42
Stskeepson the other hand you have nokia, and cute girls too :P09:42
RST38hSts: and Denmark does not? =)09:43
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thuxStskeeps: you have carlsberg09:43
StskeepsRST38h: my tastes lay rather in eastern european girls. weakness :P09:43
* Stskeeps ponders what today will bring09:47
Stskeepsi'm going to a ballet it seems, so close09:48
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RST38hSts: it's ok, you can sleep it over10:11
Stskeepsi should bring my tablet.10:11
RST38hbring a pillow =)10:12
zakkmRST38h: his tablet is his pillow ;p10:14
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RST38hpoor tablet10:15
jaempoor head...10:16
* RST38h finds his E70 way more convenient to bring along though (which is a real pity)10:16
* jaem browses the internet on the NIT embedded in Stskeep's skull10:16
RST38hjaem: ssh into his brain and run htop!10:17
jaemI was thinking a privelage escalation exploit10:17
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StskeepsRST38h: there are occasional processes in my brain i wouldn't mind to kill once in a while.10:17
RST38hjaem: And what would you do with higher privileges? Make him piss?10:17
jaemno... but I'd have access to his bank account :P10:18
RST38hSts: Do it the Windows way, shut it down periodically =)10:18
jaemSts: you might want to install a new one, while you're at it10:18
RST38hjaem: Not really, the passwords are stored in a file named and-some-other-junk10:18
jaemand make sure it has 8x the performance, or it won't be able to keep up with the latest version10:19
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Stskeepsjaem: i'm so there when brain implants for information lookup comes out10:19
jaemStskeeps: plaintext? Seriously? Don't you take security seriously, now that Google has Brain Search?10:19
jaemI don't look at my password, but immediately run it through 8kb RSA, and memorize that10:20
jaemit adds a bit of overhead to four-digit bank PINs, though10:20
Stskeepsbbl, gf awake10:20
RST38hgot an external interrupt10:21
RST38han NMI even...10:21
jaembeat me...10:21
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thuxgot couple wifi routers and one seems to drain tablet battery faster?! is it possible and why is that?10:28
jaemI believe there's something on the forums about that10:32
jaemI vaguely remember seeing something of the sort10:32
jaemqwerty12: that'd be it10:32
qwerty12That page used to exist.. no wait, X-Chat can't highlight links properly10:33
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aquatixgood moaning10:40
thuxhow to know which  routers support psm and which doesn't? can i see it on signal somehow?10:40
thuxmy battery drainer router is some zyxel which isp gives free to customers10:43
luke-jrStskeeps: I have a keymap, mostly.10:44
GeneralAntillesthux, if ISPs are giving them away for free, they probably don't.10:44
luke-jrStskeeps: Fn is keycode 464, which standard kbd doesn't work :<10:44
thuxold linksys wrt seems give longer battery life10:45
Stskeepsluke-jr: bingo10:45
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luke-jrStskeeps: will need to patch kbd :x10:46
luke-jroh well, tomorrow10:46
luke-jrI am way overdue for bed10:46
luke-jrbtw, it's nice to have a pipe key ;)10:46
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zakkmwhy is there atscene and digi@scene, in the repo, when they are the same thing arent they?10:57
qwerty12zakkm: digi@scene is the correct name10:57
qwerty12atscene was a mistake and they want that removed10:58
zakkmi got atscene like few days ago, and then saw a digi@scene in repository im like hmm is it the same?10:58
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Jaffalbt: debhelper is installed11:21
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Macergot it?11:36
StsN800its out of customs now11:36
Macerstill not at your house? =)11:36
StsN800will get it when home on thursday11:36
StsN800in poland from yesterday11:36
StsN800small vacation with fiancé11:37
Macerin poland?11:37
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StsN800yeah - polish gf11:37
Maceris she polish?11:37
Macerheh. there are a lot of poles here in chicago11:38
StsN800at parents in law and going to the apartment we'll live in from sep today11:38
Macerwell. im about to go home. let me know when you get the n80011:39
MacerStsN800:  btw11:40
Macerhave you ever set up an auth server in osol or nexenta?11:41
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Maceri wanted to set up an auth server using the main box for it and i suppose oldap + kerberos + nfs11:41
Macerwas going to google info on it but was wondering if you had a good page to explain it? tried a while back with fbsd and linus and it was a total failure11:43
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StsN800haven't personally, but ldap.. get slapd?11:46
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* lcuk strolls over to the coffe machine11:51
* qwerty12 modifies it to bring out the energy drinks11:51
lcukthat wont help11:53
qwerty12Bah, you coffee/tea drinking type11:53
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Macerthey have that for nexenta?12:00
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Macerah well. time to go12:01
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lbtJaffa: thanks - I actually need cdbs :)12:34
* lbt goes back to trying to make the windows on his TVR actually close12:35
lcuklbt, carputer or real glass ones?12:35
lbtthe ones that are supposed to keep the rain out12:37
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Jaffalbt: installed12:40
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Jaffalbt: done12:50
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lbtJaffa: ta ... that's done it :)14:41
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lcukhi lopz15:00
lcukJaffa, thank you for the stuff you mentioned on ciros clock about sleeping till next needed :)15:01
lcukunsigned long ticks = liqapp_GetTicks();15:01
lcukticks = ticks % 1000;15:01
lcukvcell_propseti(self,"timerinterval", (1000-ticks)+10 );15:01
lcuk^ seconds tick for a new clock :)15:01
lcuki wouldv just left it refreshing every .25 sec ;)15:01
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wazdhello maemo15:52
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maemohey wazd :)15:56
* maemo nick zakkm15:56
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RST38hheya wazd16:19
MakeGhohi to you too16:19
lcukhey RST38h, wazd, halfghost16:24
lcuk+ zakkm16:24
zakkmheyy :)16:24
lcukwazd, i have a visual layout designer on windows now :D16:25
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* RST38h suspects lcuk is running vnc on the tablet to connect to that windows machine16:29
lcukits worse than that ;)16:30
lcuk and
RST38hphone here16:31
RST38hanother 30 minutes and I am back to civilization, mbpses, and big screens16:32
zakkmlcuk: is that your idea for liqbase?16:34
lcukno, its just easier coding up an export from there than writing the layouts by hand16:35
lcukive got lots of prototypes to build and ive already got the layouts in vb16:35
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keesjdisk full on
lcukheh keesj what are you building16:50
keesjno the website I duess16:51
lcukyou should be able to have a peek though16:52
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lcukor havent you got root access yet :D16:53
keesjdf -h should be reveasling a lot16:53
oilinkimaemo is using netapp. that's good.16:54
oilinkiwhat other hardware is there?16:54
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t_s_ois it safe to edit the alarmd xml file by hand, or is there some kind of tool for removing multiple redundant entries?17:14
qwerty12_N800it's safe but there's a tool called alarmtool (or something) in some nokia repo somewhere17:16
t_s_ooh joy...17:16
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infobothmm... rx-51 is
igortohi ... someone knows if there is any problem with cmake in scratchbox?17:20
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t_s_obah, editing anything related to alarmd didnt help the entries seems to simply recreate themselves...17:38
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konttori_GeneralAntilles: on what highlight page: "Fremantle pre-alpha release revealed even more interesting things about the potential hardware that weren't contained in the not-announcement from the Summit"  <- What were those? I'm curious17:40
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infoboti guess rx-51 is
konttori_GeneralAntilles: yeah, but that link above says that there were surprises. I wonder what those were17:49
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GeneralAntilleskonttori_, accelerometers, fm rx/tx, a second camera.17:50
t_s_obah, i hate it when the tablet runs low on internal storage, the errors are just weird...17:51
oilinkifm rx/tx would be a great17:51
oilinkieasy to stream favorite channels to car .. or home stereos17:52
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qwerty12Sorry, blame the mer h-i-m...18:44
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gomiamVivin poniendo nombr;)18:54
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, I can see your conversion from the dark side is not yet complete.19:05
RST38h"from" or "to"?19:05
GeneralAntillesEither way19:06
GeneralAntillesDepends on your perspective, I guess.19:06
GeneralAntillesHi, roope.19:06
lcukheh gen19:06
roopeAre there are new speculations for today? ;)19:06
GeneralAntillesNope, but we've got plenty of especulations. :P19:06
GeneralAntillesCan somebody over in Helsinki hit Quim for me? :P19:07
roopeFor what? :)19:08
* lcuk waves @ roope \o19:08
RST38hwhat item do you prefer him to be hit with?19:08
GeneralAntillesHe keeps using "especulation"19:08
lcuke-bollocks then?19:09
roopeAh. He's espanish. ;)19:09
GeneralAntillesSomething soft and light, it's a minor infraction. ;)19:09
GeneralAntilleslcuk, next time you bring out that council silliness I _am_ going to hit you.19:10
lcukwhy, you above all others should be holding up your nokia tablet as an active worthwhile device (which it is)19:11
GeneralAntillesThat's a separate argument.19:12
GeneralAntillesMy council position is totally irrelevant to that discussion.19:12
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GeneralAntillesand I'm _really_ sick of people falling back to that as an argument.19:12
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lcukbut we are not stuck with a dead platform nor obscolete hardware which are your words, the tablet might not be a super shiney horse, but its versatile and can run lots of things, and theres the whole Mer project (remember, its Maemo Reconstructed) to push us forward with everything we need19:14
GeneralAntillesDiablo is dead19:14
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lcukit might be, but we aint stuck with it19:14
GeneralAntillesIt's no longer being developed and nobody in their right mind will pick it up.19:14
qwerty12lcuk: checked the version of the libraries recently?19:15
infobotqwerty12 meant: lcuk: checked the versions of the libraries recently?19:15
GeneralAntillesMy point is, the community is stuck with a piece of hardware that doesn't have any day-to-day usable replacement software and is finished with vendor support.19:15
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing to upgrade to19:15
GeneralAntillesMy point was that that makes communities antsy and prone to bickering.19:16
GeneralAntillesNothing more.19:16
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lcukqwerty12, yeah, but are you stuck with diablo?19:17
mavhcwhat's the equiv situation for another system/community?19:17
GeneralAntillesIf you're somebody who wants to be productive day-to-day, yes.19:17
qwerty12lcuk: So far, I'd say yes.19:17
GeneralAntillesNow, that might change in a few months19:19
GeneralAntillesbut that doesn't change the situation today.19:19
ShadowJKMost computers in my house has older software than Diablo :)19:19
mavhcis this a short term problem then?19:19
konttoriGeneralAntilles: Ah. Cool. Accelerometers would be nice - especially if they are/would be accurate enough.19:19
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GeneralAntilleskonttori, the part looks decent enough on DigiKey19:20
konttoriAh. cool.19:20
ShadowJKI want some gyros too :)19:21
rmtAccelerometer + digital compass :-)19:21
GeneralAntillesThe audio out is going to be top-notch19:21
GeneralAntillesReally nice TI headphone amp19:22
rmtAnd a better GPS .. (not having used GPSs much, I've no idea of the quality, but it does indeed take an incredibly long time to sync)19:22
* RST38h actually likes n810 audio out19:22
ShadowJKRST38h, well you're deaf19:22
RST38hway better than anything else I have in the house19:22
RST38hI am, true19:22
mavhcso if you took a photo with it it would know gps, and all angles, so you could instantly accurately place it on google earth?19:22
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GeneralAntillesInterestingly enough, the GPS is the one part that wasn't mentioned in the kernel.19:23
RST38hGPS will most likely remain the same, don't get your hopes high19:23
gilleshi guys19:23
RST38hGeneral: Well it does not have to19:23
* konttori has no clue about the gps quality, but usually they haven't been exactly stellar on nokia devices19:23
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ShadowJKthe N810 audio is a bit silly. If you sit in a quiet room, you can hear noise from the built-in speakers. There's noise when audio is activated, and then the noise goes away when audio is deactivated. So, if you have touchscreen sounds on, it's something like *ping*sshhhhhhhhhhhhh-click *ping*shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-click19:23
RST38hGeneral: the 5300 chip is connected via standard SPI or RS232 interfaces19:23
ShadowJKYeah it needs no kernel support19:24
gillesi want to backup my os before flashing and dual booting it19:24
RST38hShadowJK: If you heard audio from my ASUS Digimatrix, may its designers be cursed with white noise forever...19:24
* rmt wonders why somebody goes to the bother of manually posting spam (it has a captcha) to a personal blog's contact page.19:25
gilleshow to backup everything: apps, config ?19:25
gillesyou're right19:26
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ShadowJKrmt, it's a big industry now. Spammers have tools that detect captcha's and send it through special software for human to solve it. They have sweatshops in poor countries with children chained to computers, solving captchas 16 hours per day. If they're lucky and solve many correctly, they even get fed19:26
rm_youGeneralAntilles: lol19:27
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i could make that guy a custom deb... :P19:27
RST38hrmt: They direct your captchas to porno sites and make poor wankers solve them to get some pussy images19:27
GeneralAntillesrm_you, I'm thinking we might drop the warning string, though.19:27
ShadowJKthat too19:27
rm_youGeneralAntilles: ? why'19:27
GeneralAntillesrm_you, it's ugly19:28
GeneralAntillesWe have a confirmation dialog for it anyway, right?19:28
gillesi've read a long howto for installing ubuntu19:28
ShadowJKOh, an ontopic question, does N800 have a microphone?19:28
gillesis there a shorter way ?19:28
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, that giant hole in the top center?19:28
ShadowJKwhat giant...19:29
gillesand what about sound ?19:29
GeneralAntillesI like the 770's "paperclip reset button" headphone port.19:29
ShadowJKYes, you *must* stab it with a needle19:30
rm_youGeneralAntilles: yeah I suppose19:31
rm_youwe need to finish off translations19:32
rm_youwhich ones are we missing?19:32
* rm_you checks19:32
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GeneralAntillesWe're gonna be adding strings soon anyway.19:32
rm_youqwerty gave me some patches19:32
GeneralAntillesShould probably stay unstable for most of the summer.19:32
rm_youi'll apply those and release in a week or two19:32
rm_youafter this gets some downloads :P19:32
rm_youmake you happy, lol19:32
rm_youalso, i think "top rated" needs to be reviewed, cause it basically only goes to things no one uses.... since theres a chance of someone random giving a low rating and everything on top has all 5s, but has like 8 reviews total, ours has 40 and has like one lower rating, so got knocked off >_>19:34
GeneralAntillesA minimum review requirement could be useful for that list19:35
rm_youor like19:35
rm_youdo an AVERAGE19:35
rm_youor something19:35
rm_youi dunno19:35
GeneralAntillesOoor, we just wait for Maemo 5 and the insane influx of users.19:35
rm_youweight it so things with more reviews get higher19:35
GeneralAntillesWell, we do have an in with the webmaster19:36
rm_youis this going to be needed in maemo5? will i need to do porting?19:36
GeneralAntillesmaybe some ballot stuffing. :P19:36
GeneralAntillesMy bet is on Nokia shipping the display applet with 3 levels.19:36
rm_youi dont want to just shove ours to the top... i mean, my motivation isn't entirely selfless, but i AM just asking it be fair19:36
rm_yourofl yeah :P19:37
rm_youif trends continue... :P19:37
GeneralAntillesOK, maybe 219:37
rm_youdisplay settings on the maemo5 device: Bright (80%), Bright (90%), Bright (95%)19:37
GeneralAntillesON and OFF19:37
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GeneralAntillesI'll guarantee you the applets wont be combined19:37
rm_youcan't get below 80 and can't QUITE get brightest :P19:37
GeneralAntillesor have any cool features19:37
GeneralAntillesOr be open source19:38
rm_youqwerty's patches do good things19:38
GeneralAntillesSo, yeah, plan on porting.19:38
rm_yougives me links to the official applet's control panels tho19:38
GeneralAntillesThat goddamn qwerty12.19:38
rm_youwhich would have been nice a year ago, but with plans for a replacement...19:38
rm_youstill, i'm gonna put em in prolly19:38
rm_youwell, at least one of them19:39
rm_youthe hardware button one19:39
GeneralAntillesMer needs some control panels.19:39
qwerty12Actually, it's only for the "Display Settings"19:39
rm_younot sure about the control panel links, as i've been trying to avoid issues that come up if people mess with the brightness control panel19:39
qwerty12Adding "Sound Settings" took too much space and I opened the Display one more than I did the Sound one19:39
qwerty12Ah, fair enough19:39
rm_youthough that code will be useful when we have our OWN control panel and I need to link to it19:39
rm_youso, thanks :P19:40
rm_youqwerty12: you have a decently updated kernel with the full patchset?19:40
rm_youi want rotation back, but dont want to switch to the kernel from like last year >_>19:40
qwerty12Oh, I have a latest kernel, but decent?19:40
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rm_youi think when i tried it bricked my SD install19:40
rm_youwhich i suppose i could fix but i've been lazy19:41
qwerty12The mer_kernel is a nice stable one:
qwerty12No 48Mhz SD speed though, if that is your thing19:41
* Corsac wants a 2.6.29 kernel19:43
Corsacand a pony!19:43
qwerty12Grr, opening a CDBS debian/rules always makes me mumble obscenities19:44
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GeneralAntillesDid Fremantle move to 28 or 29?19:45
gillesGeneralAntilles: i tried to use a syntax like this one "tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/lost+found   --exclude=/media /"19:45
GeneralAntillesgilles, you'll probably want to back up to another volume.19:46
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gillesbut i got --exclude:unrecoginzed option19:46
qwerty12Meh, I should really put up a guide somewhere on how to backup /dev/mtdblock4 to a jffs2 file sometime19:46
qwerty12gilles: busybox tar sucks19:46
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I'll fix your whitespace issues when you put it on the wiki then give you a cookie. :P19:46
gillestar cvpzf /media/mmc1/backupsysmamemo.tgz --exlcude=/media /19:47
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gillesqwerty12:should i install gnutar ?19:48
qwerty12gilles: yes19:48
* RST38h read stuff across the screen19:48
RST38hSo, is RX-51 going to have real strings? Metal or plastic?19:48
qwerty12gilles: if you're gonna back it up to a gzip, install the gzip available too19:48
RST38hWill it have 6 or 7 or 12?19:49
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ShadowJKI heard claims that 2.6.29 doesn't work (well) on any ARM :P19:49
woglindeShadowJK well in which way?19:50
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ShadowJKno idea :)19:51
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, do you know the reference for the accelerometer part that rx-51/71 may have ?19:51
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, erm, hang on.19:52
gillesinstalling tar need removing lot of stuff19:52
qwerty12gilles: install the one in Extras19:52
gillesanother idea ?19:52
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qwerty12You are installing the one that has a nice icon when viewed in the application manager right?19:52
gilleswhats its name ?19:53
GeneralAntillesDamnit, where did I put that part number. . . .19:53
qwerty12Can't remember and I can't check as my tablet's in Mer ATM19:53
gillesi want to backup everything on my system before19:54
gilleshow to ?19:54
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lcukgilles, theres a backup tool19:58
lcukits not a total complete backup, but gets most things19:58
gillesno it doesnt not remember my apps, my settings19:58
gillesvery useless19:59
lcukareyou sure?19:59
KurtKrautWould be possible to use Maemo as a XDMCP client?19:59
GeneralAntillesgilles, um, that's exactly what it does.19:59
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, thanks, is the same accelerometer that  N95 , N93i, N82 and freerunner use :)19:59
gillesi want something like a disk image19:59
lcukbackup select:  emails, documents, media, other, settings, bookmarks, contacts, application list"20:00
Meiz_n810infobot: ping?20:00
gillesperhaps it has evolved since last time20:01
gillesand systeme upgrades ?20:01
woglindeKurtKraut I prepared qtnx and nx stuff20:02
lcuki do agree though - its not actually clear and would benefit from a specific folder tree to select20:02
woglindeits in extras-devel20:02
lcukgilles, no it expects you to do those anyway20:02
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, good unit?20:02
lcukssu hasi t20:02
KurtKrautwoglinde: that sounds amazing... have you tested it? What about performance?20:02
woglindeits working fine20:02
woglindeeven over utms and grps20:03
woglindebut with some delays20:03
woglindediner now20:03
woglindetill later20:03
gillesi prefer make a disk image20:03
gillesbut i'm not able to do it using busybox tar20:04
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, yes, if we will have open access to the hardware is very powerful, you can sample data until 200hz at least (I never tested with more than 200 values per second :P)20:06
gillesno help ?20:06
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, so, when you gonna write a Maemo Mapper patch that augments the GPS?20:07
gillesdoes it backup all my hidden files in my home folder ?20:07
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, you need a compass too, if I'm understanding what you mean20:09
GeneralAntillesAh, right, we can only hope.20:09
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Corsacdid someone managed to connect to the minigpsd on port 2947 from remote?20:10
Corsaclike with xpgs and stuff like that?20:10
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, screen orientation help for the GPS or make a accelerometer act as inertial navigation system (replacing the gps :P)?20:10
Corsacgpsmon seems to get some data, but nothing with xgps, cgps, viking, stuff like that20:10
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sampohmm can we assume that in fremantle default user will be "user" like before20:26
* qwerty12 wonders why scratchbox didn't come with bash-completion by default...20:29
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GeneralAntilles"What can we do to make qwerty12's life harder today?"20:30
qwerty12Not send me those spliffs20:30
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qwerty12lcuk: BOO20:31
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lcukwha where huh?20:32
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rm_youlcuk: how's life?20:32
qwerty12lcuk: your love of windows saddens me :(20:33
lcukhiya rm_you its good, but a bit hard20:33
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sampois that hildonbanner supposed to be just black box int he alpha sdk or were there some changes ?20:45
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thopiekarhi there20:59
thopiekarsomeone of the german maemo-forum said that his N770 isn't showing his wlan-networks around him..21:00
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thopiekaris this a known bug and how can he fix that?21:00
zakkmlatest firmware?21:00
zakkmtry going to connections, then do scan.. rather than the icon in the corner21:01
thopiekarzakkm: yes the lastest one.. OS2006 version 3.2006.49-2.21:02
zakkmoh right 2007 is Hacker edition for 77021:02
zakkmjust mess around in "connections" in control panel  ,  evantually it would "work"21:02
zakkmmy case going back to 2007, i used to have to mess around alot with connections21:03
zakkmand then it would start to find spots21:03
zakkmit was weird, im sure theres a better way though21:03
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thopiekarzakkm: k :]21:09
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* Khertan1 has just bricked his n81021:37
GeneralAntillesFor real?21:37
Khertan1i don't think21:37
Khertan1i hope it just software21:37
GeneralAntillesWell, does it show any signs of life?21:37
GeneralAntillesThen it's fine.21:37
Khertan1just the nokia logo at start21:37
Khertan1and shutdown :)21:37
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's enough to flash.21:37
zakkmITS ALIVEEEE21:37
Khertan1ok great21:38
locutusKhertan1: not to sound smartass, but isnt the battery just to low?21:38
zakkmsay the magic words, press the right buttons(flash button), and it comes back to life :)21:38
locutusKhertan1: try first enabling R&d mode, and see what it does21:38
Khertan1locutus ... i was installing mer :)21:40
GeneralAntillesThe Mer virus21:40
Khertan1GeneralAntilles:  yep21:40
Khertan1does there is a flasher for win32 ?21:41
zakkmis there21:41
zakkmwont the official one work?21:41
zakkmoh wait dont21:41
Khertan1a official one ?21:42
zakkmthere should be a cygwin port or something21:42
Khertan1can't found it21:42
GeneralAntillesThe Windows flasher21:42
infobotwell, flashing is
GeneralAntillesIt wont flash just a rootfs, though.21:42
Khertan1ah ok thks :)21:43
zakkmGeneralAntilles: There should be a cygwin + flasher-3.0 so you can use in windows i think :)21:43
Khertan1hum ... ... it ll delete the internal card too ?21:43
qwerty12_N800Khertan1: no21:44
Khertan1sure ?21:44
igortojust with me or cmake are not working very well in scratchbox?21:44
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qwerty12_N800Khertan1: ja21:44
Khertan1ok thnks21:45
zakkmKhertan1: take it out first, if your worried ;p21:45
Khertan1zakkm: haha the internal ram ?21:46
Khertan1i have an n81021:46
Khertan1not an n80021:46
zakkmi want a n810 :(21:46
Khertan1zakkm: but with a good knife it could be doable :)21:46
lcukfocused hair dryer21:47
Khertan1hum ... the flasher didn't found the device21:47
Khertan1the nit shutdow while dectection21:48
zakkmKhertan1: is it charged?21:48
zakkmyou sure?21:48
zakkmstart it up and hold "home button"21:49
zakkmwhile into usb21:49
Khertan1same ...21:49
zakkmwhile the flasher says "detecting"21:49
zakkmit should stop the boot?21:49
Khertan1so ... i think this is also a bug with the stupid windows things21:49
zakkmcharge it more then21:49
Khertan1i ll try it under a live ubuntu cd21:49
Khertan1bye :)21:50
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Khertan1this is not the first time i crash my nit with the flash of bootmenu :)21:50
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GeneralAntillesBobbe, no away notices, please.22:10
Bobbejust turned them off22:10
Bobbedunno why the thing did this22:10
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, isn't the PSM setting actually global?22:31
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: that's what the tablet says :)22:33
GeneralAntillesIt's buried in the per-connections dialog, though.22:33
* GeneralAntilles is in brain failure mode at the moment.22:33
qwerty12_N800I can only see the setting stored once in gconf22:33
GeneralAntillesThen what good are you?22:33
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fauxmightcd .e122:51
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fauxmightapologies. wrong term.22:51
slonopotamusfauxmight, hello22:54
fauxmighthey, slono22:55
slonopotamusfauxmight, now there're three of us :) luke-jr joined gentoo-on-n8x0. i'm trying to give him access  to git overlay at the moment :)22:55
Stskeepsinsane people, all of you! :P22:56
fauxmightWe spoke. Odd chance. He just hapened to mention it, but didn't know I was involved.22:56
GeneralAntillesWe're going to have to begin the purges soon, Stskeeps.22:56
fauxmightGentoo has armv4l gnueabi stages now. Have you seen?22:56
luke-jrfauxmight: we're using armv6j22:57
luke-jrscrew v4 :p22:57
fauxmightI know, but it's a step in a good direction.22:57
luke-jrI just pushed a sys-apps/kbd that supports the Fn key22:57
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fauxmightWhen I get back to trying to build my own catalyst stages, this will make a much easier starting point.22:57
fauxmightawesome. gentoo bugzilla?22:57
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* slonopotamus built stages with catalyst23:01
slonopotamusthey're not much better then tar -cvzf :D23:01
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fauxmightWow, I really have been out of the loop. And I lurk here quite a bit.23:02
fauxmightIf you've got catalyst stages, I might be retired :)23:02
slonopotamusi did them, but gcc bug sprung out23:03
slonopotamusthey appeared to be armv4t binariess23:03
fauxmightHave you got a write up? Which gcc?23:03
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slonopotamuswrite up? docs, you mean?23:04
luke-jrfauxmight: we have an overlay23:04
fauxmightyeah. anything about the catalyst stage building process and how it went for you.23:04
fauxmightDoes layman recognize your overlay, or is it private/closed?23:04
slonopotamusfauxmight, no docs. can make them if you want23:04
slonopotamusfauxmight, not yet. need to ask that on o.g.o23:05
fauxmightarm or ~arm?23:05
fauxmighton the catalyst stage23:05
luke-jrall this time qt-webkit was builting23:05
luke-jrit was going in loops due to bad clock setting23:05
slonopotamusfauxmight, i threw it away23:05
slonopotamusfauxmight, because binaries became armv4t23:06
fauxmightgot it.23:06
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luke-jrslonopotamus: does the clock work for you?23:06
luke-jrI have to set it manually each boot23:06
slonopotamusluke-jr, you took fauxmight's kernel?23:06
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luke-jrusing Maemo's23:07
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luke-jrbtw, wifi "just worked" for me23:08
luke-jrI didn't need to install anything23:08
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slonopotamusluke-jr, i'll check23:09
slonopotamusluke-jr, btw. does it mean my boot docs worked?23:10
luke-jrslonopotamus: to some degree ;)23:10
luke-jrI don't like having to add those 4 modules23:10
luke-jrplan to try moving them to the gentoo rootfs and using modules.autoload23:10
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slonopotamusluke-jr, hmm... you won't see loading process othherwise23:11
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luke-jrslonopotamus: even w/ modules.autoload?23:11
slonopotamusluke-jr, well, if they load, then yes23:12
slonopotamusluke-jr, but how do you know what happenned if they didn't load? :)23:13
luke-jrslonopotamus: logs23:13
luke-jrafter I blindly start X ;)23:13
slonopotamusluke-jr, and if something breaks and it can't write logs? :)23:14
luke-jrslonopotamus: I assume only one thing breaks at a time23:14
slonopotamuserr... you started x by hand?23:14
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luke-jrslonopotamus: not yet23:15
luke-jrI have not run X yet23:15
slonopotamusluke-jr, oh.23:15
slonopotamusluke-jr, those modules are only needed to see text console23:16
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fireundevorak12 is the only recourse23:17
GeneralAntilles',.py you mean? ;)23:18
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slonopotamusluke-jr, i do not confirm clock reset23:20
slonopotamusluke-jr, it goes correctly when boot into gentoo23:20
luke-jr * Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.23:21
fauxmightIt's in the initfs23:21
fauxmightcan't remember the name .. retutime?23:21
luke-jrfauxmight: well, it doesn't run then :/23:21
fauxmightIt won't if your base is built non-gnueabi.23:22
slonopotamusluke-jr,, that message doesn't matter23:22
luke-jrfauxmight: arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi23:22
luke-jrslonopotamus: well, I get 1970 time too23:23
slonopotamusclock is already set when init process starts23:23
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edbartoshVDVsx: Hi23:23
luke-jrslonopotamus: not for me23:24
slonopotamusdoes it show time at start of init process?23:25
edbartoshVDVsx: Check your mailbox, please. There is an email there from GSoC organizers. It requires your attention and action.23:25
slonopotamusi installed baselayout-2, so not sure what you see23:25
luke-jrnot sure23:25
luke-jrI should install baselayout-2, yes23:25
slonopotamusgotta sleep. 0:26 here.23:26
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slonopotamusluke-jr, it shouldn't matter. as i remember, clock is set via initfs23:27
slonopotamusStskeeps, please, correct me23:27
fauxmightnight, slono23:27
luke-jrslonopotamus: Solar has q for 423:27
luke-jrfor u23:27
Stskeepsslonopotamus: not sure it is, i set in linuxrc23:28
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kcowolfdo I need to be root to umount my SD card?23:29
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slonopotamusoh crap23:30
kcowolfor even better, how can I make sure the one I'm trying to umount IS the SD card23:30
slonopotamusoh, no23:31
slonopotamusluke-jr, /linuxrc23:31
slonopotamusluke-jr, /usr/bin/retutime -i || true23:31
slonopotamusluke-jr, keep in mind that it's run when /mnt/initfs is / yet23:32
luke-jrslonopotamus: I have no intention of modifying initfs more23:32
qwerty12_N800kcowolf: mount | grep mmcblk23:32
luke-jrif I need to, I'll chroot /mnt/initfs /usr/bin/retutime -i || true23:32
slonopotamustry it23:32
slonopotamuslinuxrc is in gentoo partition23:33
slonopotamusbut that bootmenu knows how to use it23:33
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kcowolfqwerty: that showed mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk1p123:35
slonopotamusargh. that bootmenu stuff is insane23:35
kcowolfmmcblk1 is external, correct?23:35
Stskeepsslonopotamus: someone prolly forgot ITEM_LINUXRC.23:35
qwerty12_N800kcowolf: yes, should be usually23:35
kcowolfI'm trying to umount mmcblk1p1 and it's giving me "operation not permitted"23:35
kcowolf(trying to format and repartition my external card)23:36
Stskeepsslonopotamus: no clue, but whoever has retutme problems23:36
qwerty12_N800kcowolf: and you're root?23:36
kcowolfnot yet, should I be?23:37
luke-jrStskeeps: nope23:37
qwerty12_N800kcowolf: yes23:37
kcowolfokay, wasn't sure23:37
luke-jrStskeeps: though I hacked it straight into the initrd's bootmenu.conf23:37
luke-jrinstead of whatever.d thing23:37
slonopotamusluke-jr, where did you take bootmenu from?23:37
luke-jrno idea23:37
Stskeepsif it's just fanoush's bootmenu instead of the deblet one, you dont have one that supports it23:38
kcowolfOnly way to become root is with becomeroot?23:38
slonopotamusluke-jr, please follow my booting doc :)23:38
luke-jrslonopotamus: I did ☺23:38
infobotmethinks root-access is
qwerty12_N800^ kcowolf23:39
slonopotamusluke-jr, where you got bootmenu from? :)23:39
luke-jrno idea23:39
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slonopotamusluke-jr, then try taking from sources in doc. because 'fanoush bootmenu' won't work23:40
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slonopotamusluke-jr, we need some protection from wrong bootmenus i guess23:44
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luke-jrslonopotamus: port GRUB23:45
slonopotamusluke-jr, if it is a source of your problem23:45
* luke-jr runs23:45
slonopotamusluke-jr, grub won't work. things are too complicated in n8x0 boot process :)23:46
slonopotamusluke-jr, did you know it boots even in order to charge? :)23:46
slonopotamusthat's insane :)23:47
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