| RST38h | And I am not even sure how it compares with OLPC in terms of market penetration | 00:00 |
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| milhouse | Dunno about penetration, but they're both going for the same market | 00:00 |
| milhouse | And basically fcking each other over - so nobody wins | 00:00 |
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| milhouse | least of all the customers | 00:00 |
| RST38h | not sure if there IS market, given how chip generic desktops are | 00:01 |
| RST38h | s/chip/cheap | 00:01 |
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| milhouse | I think some of the benefits of OLPC were in the software stack | 00:01 |
| milhouse | Mesh networking etc. - all very do-able on consumer kit, but maybe not so easy to roll your own | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | Ah, who needs this stuff except for a few graduate students with papers to write? | 00:03 |
| RST38h | In reality you have got a generic access point, some kind of an uplink (DSL or satellite) and a bunch of Windows laptops with Office. | 00:04 |
| woglinde | rst he | 00:04 |
| woglinde | seems my diploma thesis will be on this topic | 00:04 |
| RST38h | =) | 00:04 |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:04 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: I'm trying to prep Qt for Mer on badger and think I need debhelper or something... | 01:09 |
| lbt | (narrowing it down...) | 01:10 |
| lbt | ah, cdbs | 01:11 |
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| lbt | to do : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i | 01:11 |
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| lbt | bed now... g'night | 01:35 |
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| * b-man16 has successfully created a port of PearPC for the NITs :) | 01:42 | |
| b-man16 | it uses x11 instead of gtk thought - mainly because it failed to build with gtk enabled | 01:42 |
| b-man16 | re: though | 01:43 |
| Macer | watching the host | 01:44 |
| b-man16 | ? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | NITs? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | what good is PearPC? | 01:44 |
| locutus | hahaha | 01:45 |
| locutus | imagine booting OSX with that :) | 01:45 |
| locutus | it'll only take what, 3 days to boot? ;-) | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | it is an experiment | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:45 |
| Macer | wtf is pearpc? | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | PPC emu | 01:46 |
| Macer | omg | 01:46 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:46 |
| Macer | that sounds horrible | 01:46 |
| b-man16 | like i said, it is an experiment XD | 01:46 |
| * b-man16 was allrety successful in emulating NITdroid on his N800 ;) | 01:48 | |
| luke-jr | what is NIT | 01:48 |
| * b-man16 grabs a screenshot | 01:48 | |
| Macer | lol. the host is funny | 01:48 |
| b-man16 | internet tablet - aka n800/n810 | 01:48 |
| Macer | it is like korean cloverfield | 01:48 |
| Macer | except more of a movie | 01:49 |
| b-man16 | luke-jr: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | I like the term Nseries more ;) | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | b-man16: eww, GNOME | 01:50 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:50 |
| b-man16 | it runs fine :P | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | GNOME doesn't run fine on *anything* | 01:50 |
| * b-man16 prefers Gnome over KDE or XFCE | 01:51 | |
| b-man16 | and i don't care about your opinion XD | 01:52 |
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| Shadow__X1 | hey what cellphone is close to a n810 | 02:49 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | none? | 02:50 |
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| b-man16 | it's been very quite here lately :P | 02:52 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 02:54 |
| Shadow__X1 | i was looking at the g1 | 02:54 |
| Shadow__X1 | untill i saw how much it would be monthly | 02:54 |
| Shadow__X1 | that hurts | 02:54 |
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| Shadow__X1 | i want a smart phone and i hate windows | 02:54 |
| Shadow__X1 | dont have much options left | 02:54 |
| Shadow__X1 | and i am not to thrilled about blackberry | 02:54 |
| Macer | get an android phone | 02:57 |
| Macer | i have a g1 its 90/month | 02:57 |
| Shadow__X1 | yeah i looked at the my faves 300 minutes a month with unlim web its 75 a month | 02:58 |
| Macer | all other "smartphones" will cost just as much with any other carrier | 02:58 |
| Shadow__X1 | thats alot | 02:58 |
| Shadow__X1 | eh not really if i stay with vzw i get a 50% discount | 02:58 |
| Shadow__X1 | just trying to find phones that i would like | 02:58 |
| Macer | att's unlimited plans were 120/month | 02:58 |
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| Shadow__X1 | how is android btw | 02:59 |
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| Macer | its ok | 03:01 |
| Macer | i think it needs a lot of work | 03:01 |
| Shadow__X1 | ex? | 03:02 |
| Macer | but it is getting better | 03:02 |
| Macer | well.. for one thing the bluetooth support is nonexistant | 03:02 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 03:02 |
| Macer | it only supports a bt earpiece | 03:02 |
| Shadow__X1 | ah | 03:03 |
| Shadow__X1 | right | 03:03 |
| Macer | no a2dp or hid | 03:03 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 03:03 |
| Shadow__X1 | i dont use those still still understand the want for them | 03:03 |
| Macer | there are only 5 apps on the market worth using... | 03:03 |
| Shadow__X1 | such as ? | 03:04 |
| Macer | uhm... the lack of no soft keyboard was a total let down | 03:04 |
| Shadow__X1 | i just have an issue with windows mobile esp that i dont like installing their stupid app on a computer | 03:04 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm right | 03:04 |
| Macer | i think there are a couple office apps | 03:04 |
| Macer | quickoffice which was absolutely awesome for my n95 | 03:05 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 03:05 |
| Macer | only lets you view docs | 03:05 |
| Macer | on android | 03:05 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 03:05 |
| Macer | it is garbage and for $20? | 03:05 |
| Shadow__X1 | right | 03:05 |
| Shadow__X1 | i can open a good amount on n810 | 03:05 |
| Macer | which doesnt matter because lack of bluetooth hid support | 03:05 |
| Macer | means no bluetooth keyboard | 03:06 |
| Shadow__X1 | yeah i know | 03:06 |
| Macer | i used to type entire papers on my n95 with quickoffice | 03:06 |
| Shadow__X1 | but you do have a keyboard on there | 03:06 |
| Macer | cant touch type with just your thumbs | 03:06 |
| Macer | with the n95 i could use my su8w bluetooth keyboard | 03:07 |
| Macer | tethering the g1 requires hacking root on it | 03:07 |
| Macer | which is easy enough but still a pain | 03:07 |
| Shadow__X1 | right i dont mind short typing on n810 | 03:07 |
| Macer | the interface is good though | 03:08 |
| Macer | g1 has a pretty strong gpu for a phone | 03:08 |
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| Shadow__X1 | can it stream videos? | 03:08 |
| Macer | i'd say if symbian ditched the old interface and made something as nice as android.. it would be 10x better | 03:09 |
| Macer | it has a youtube app | 03:09 |
| Macer | that can watch youtube vids.. but no flash player | 03:09 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm | 03:10 |
| Macer | it can play ipod encoded mp4s fairly well | 03:10 |
| Macer | but since there is no a2dp you have to use wired headphones | 03:10 |
| Macer | which uses the usb port | 03:10 |
| Shadow__X1 | yeah i mean i cant really watch too much on the n810 | 03:10 |
| Macer | n810 plays ipod encoded mp4s fine | 03:11 |
| Macer | at least my n800 did | 03:11 |
| Shadow__X1 | really? | 03:11 |
| Macer | sure | 03:11 |
| Shadow__X1 | hmm i guess i could encode my stuff | 03:11 |
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| Macer | use nero recode | 03:11 |
| Shadow__X1 | i just try to stream everything the way they are | 03:11 |
| Macer | with the ipod profile | 03:11 |
| Shadow__X1 | fs is linux | 03:11 |
| Shadow__X1 | is there a nero recode for linux | 03:12 |
| Macer | no | 03:12 |
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| Shadow__X1 | :( | 03:12 |
| Macer | my fileserver is nexenta | 03:12 |
| Shadow__X1 | nexenta? | 03:12 |
| Macer | zfs ftw | 03:12 |
| Macer | nexenta = opensolaris + gnu (debian apt-get) | 03:12 |
| Macer | Stskeeps told me about it a while back and i have been using it since. it kicks ass | 03:13 |
| Shadow__X1 | ah ok | 03:13 |
| Shadow__X1 | interesting | 03:13 |
| Macer | linux sucked as a fs | 03:13 |
| Macer | as did fbsd | 03:13 |
| Macer | the filesystems they use suck for huge volumes | 03:14 |
| Macer | i have an 8TB raid 5 | 03:14 |
| Macer | i have never gotten the performance that i get with zfs | 03:14 |
| Shadow__X1 | i do 4tb raid 5 xfs | 03:15 |
| Macer | my gbit is the bottleneck. i get sustained 100MB/s xfers | 03:15 |
| Shadow__X1 | kernel raid | 03:15 |
| Shadow__X1 | so do i | 03:15 |
| Shadow__X1 | :) | 03:15 |
| Shadow__X1 | whats the issue | 03:15 |
| Macer | never tried xfs | 03:15 |
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| Shadow__X1 | i easily max out gbit | 03:15 |
| Macer | i didnt for some reason | 03:15 |
| Macer | linux anf fbsd were like running a 100mbit network | 03:16 |
| Macer | well. i have to get ready for work. ttyl | 03:16 |
| Shadow__X1 | alright well thanks and hf at work | 03:16 |
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| Macer | yeah right ;) | 03:16 |
| Macer | later | 03:16 |
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| inland0 | hi everybody | 03:56 |
| inland0 | I'm in a special situation | 03:56 |
| inland0 | I'm far from home and I forgot my USB cable and I'd like to totally reset my Nokia N800 | 03:56 |
| inland0 | is there a way to do it ? | 03:57 |
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| luke-jr | inland0: probably | 03:59 |
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| jpereira | hello, somebody known some negative points for Nokia N800? i ask this becouse i think buy the n800 | 04:02 |
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| inland0 | luke-jr: great, I'll try to search more on internet, but for now I'm finding nothing | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't expect anyone's ever done it | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | just possible | 04:05 |
| inland0 | ok | 04:09 |
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| LinuxCode | N810 uses standard mini-usb | 04:13 |
| LinuxCode | not sure about N800 though | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | yeah right | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | standard technically maybe | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | but nothing else uses it | 04:14 |
| ShadowJK | LinuxCode, no, N810 uses standard MICRO-usb. N800 uses standard MINI-usb. | 04:16 |
| LinuxCode | ShadowJK, ehh yes | 04:16 |
| LinuxCode | ohh | 04:16 |
| LinuxCode | interesting | 04:16 |
| LinuxCode | inland0, so your answer is, you want a standard mini-usb cable | 04:17 |
| LinuxCode | a lot of digi cams use mini-usb too | 04:17 |
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| inland0 | I have a digi cam but it's not the right size. I'll ask around me then, thanks | 04:21 |
| jpereira | what the resolution the cam of n800 LinuxCode ? | 04:22 |
| Shadow__X1 | 40*40 | 04:22 |
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| fuzzybunny | yo peeps | 04:44 |
| fuzzybunny | is the general there? | 04:45 |
| LinuxCode | GA has been idle for 5+ hours | 04:45 |
| LinuxCode | jpereira, dunno | 04:45 |
| fuzzybunny | oh | 04:45 |
| LinuxCode | I have got a N810 | 04:45 |
| fuzzybunny | me have a n800 | 04:45 |
| fuzzybunny | iv been having problems installing gsfonts | 04:46 |
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| fuzzybunny | can anyone help me? | 04:46 |
| jpereira | LinuxCode: dunno? O_o, dunno is city at italia, understand... | 04:46 |
| fuzzybunny | Qwerty_12_N800 (your cue) | 04:47 |
| fuzzybunny | linux code is gone | 04:47 |
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| fuzzybunny | jpereira: can u help plz | 04:49 |
| fuzzybunny | i feel like i am legend here'z | 04:49 |
| fuzzybunny | will smith roxz | 04:49 |
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| fuzzybunny | yo doc, I need some help | 04:51 |
| fuzzybunny | most of the people seem like zombies | 04:51 |
| fuzzybunny | oh no! | 04:52 |
| fuzzybunny | have they got you too?! | 04:52 |
| fuzzybunny | can someone plese just respond | 04:52 |
| fuzzybunny | fudge monkeys | 04:53 |
| glass | are on you coke | 04:53 |
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| glass | are you on coke | 04:53 |
| fuzzybunny | finally | 04:53 |
| glass | fck | 04:53 |
| fuzzybunny | im on marajuana | 04:53 |
| glass | well, thats no reason to act like you're under coke | 04:53 |
| fuzzybunny | "gurgle, gurgle, hack, hack!" | 04:54 |
| fuzzybunny | glass: can u help me | 04:54 |
| fuzzybunny | cant install gsfonts on os2008 on my N800. | 04:55 |
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| jpereira | FireFox: you be crazy? | 05:26 |
| FireFox | nah, sorry if my nick changes are driving you crazy, i'm on ubuntu-offtopic atm ;) | 05:27 |
| FireFox | (funny, crazy channel) | 05:27 |
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| fireun | stupid chasing of a ball around a room trumps politico-drama Kings... stupid basketball | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | oh nice | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | now that I don't have Maemo running | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | no RAM shortage at all | 06:40 |
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| Snaht | so, I just got done doing some, albeit non-extensive, searching about making a viop call from my handheld (Nokia n810) to a cell phone. Skype appears to charge for this type of call...I was not aware of this. The | 06:52 |
| Snaht | "internet call" application also does not appear to support this. | 06:52 |
| Snaht | what am I missing? | 06:52 |
| Snaht | (much, I'm sure) | 06:53 |
| radic_ | good morning | 06:53 |
| radic_ | I compiled gaim for the N800, in src/protocols there are .la and .lo files but no .so... | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | Snaht: "Internet Call" does support it | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | Snaht: just get a SIP service | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | Snaht: or use gtalk2voip | 06:57 |
| Snaht | ah, I'll check that out. Thank you. | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | np | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | Snaht: no matter what, though, you'll be paying for non-tollfree calls ;) | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | anyone know if the Diablo kernel supports kexec? | 06:59 |
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| radic_ | luke-jr: you can compile your kernel self... | 07:03 |
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| luke-jr | radic_: that defeats the point | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | I just wants to make my kernel choosable on the bootmenu :/ | 07:04 |
| radic_ | luke-jr: I think the default-kernel wouldn't support it | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | any way to get Fn to work in the console? | 07:04 |
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| radic_ | luke-jr: but you dosn't need kexec() If you want to boot it | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | radic_: ? | 07:05 |
| Snaht | luke-jr: By that, do you mean that I'll be paying for the Internet connection, however I connect to the Internet? Or, does that mean there will be some sort of charges incurred, somewhere, if I try to make the call? | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | Snaht: phone calls have a cost | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | radic_: how else would the boot menu change kernel? | 07:05 |
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| radic_ | luke-jr: the bootloder loads the kernel image... | 07:06 |
| radic_ | luke-jr: kexec() is for switching the kernel on the running system | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | I thought the bootloader was already a running system…? | 07:08 |
| radic_ | the bootloader loads the kernel-image and executes it | 07:09 |
| radic_ | the image loades the modules | 07:09 |
| radic_ | mounts the file system | 07:10 |
| radic_ | and executs the init-process | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | but the bootloader is a sh script.. | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 07:10 |
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| radic_ | <-- confused | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh | 07:12 |
| radic_ | ok, then you have to load a new kernel with kexec() | 07:14 |
| radic_ | hmm, is it possible to replace nolo withe lilo? | 07:15 |
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| luke-jr | LILO sucks | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | nobody uses that anymore | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | GRUB replaced it | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | and both LILO and GRUB are inherently BIOS/x86 | 07:34 |
| radic_ | I use lilo on my notebook | 07:42 |
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| radic_ | hmm | 08:08 |
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| radic_ | why are the .so files not compiled from gaim...? | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | cuz gaim sucks and is obsolete? | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | why are you trying to use so much obsolete stuff? | 08:12 |
| fireun | gaim is very dated | 08:12 |
| Snaht | I dated gaim once... | 08:13 |
| fireun | pidgin is really the same beast | 08:13 |
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| radic_ | luke-jr: I only want get a protocoll-module auf gaim running withe pidgim | 08:13 |
| Snaht | \q | 08:14 |
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| radic_ | http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/btchat/ | 08:19 |
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| thux | morning | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: kexec doesn\t function properly on n8x0 | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | looks like the more merged kernels aren't quite there in quality yet anyway | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | which leaves me no good solution for vt console | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | eh. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | fbcon? | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | I guess | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | just build the module for fbcon | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's what we do | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I mean keyboard input | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | the Fn key is ignored | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the Fn key is impressively funny | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | there's a maemo.org bug on it, look at mer sprint pages | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | ello Stskeeps | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | how's stuff? | 09:35 |
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| luke-jr | "there's a bug on it" doesn't help me :p | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | sure it does, it explains the issue | 09:35 |
| RST38h | morning all | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I'm all good, thanks, how about you? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably make a console keymap | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | morning RST38h | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: early up in a cold house | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | heh :/ | 09:35 |
| thux | Stskeeps: is poland nice place? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, beautiful nature, hot girls.. | 09:36 |
| RST38h | hehe | 09:37 |
| thux | and many talented ict people there too | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | well that stems from a nature science education in primary schools that is a lot better than the hippie western ones where focus is on the soul and intrepretations of texts where the only explanation is, actually, "the author smoked a lot of weed and had gf trouble" | 09:39 |
| thux | yeah | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | (as i may have said before, i'm danish, but engaged to a polish girl :P) | 09:40 |
| thux | we in .fi are quite east but we only had linus but he moved away | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand you have nokia, and cute girls too :P | 09:42 |
| RST38h | Sts: and Denmark does not? =) | 09:43 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: you have carlsberg | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: my tastes lay rather in eastern european girls. weakness :P | 09:43 |
| RST38h | heh | 09:44 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what today will bring | 09:47 | |
| qwerty12 | apocalypse! | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | probabl | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to a ballet it seems, so close | 09:48 |
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| RST38h | Sts: it's ok, you can sleep it over | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | i should bring my tablet. | 10:11 |
| RST38h | bring a pillow =) | 10:12 |
| zakkm | RST38h: his tablet is his pillow ;p | 10:14 |
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| RST38h | poor tablet | 10:15 |
| jaem | poor head... | 10:16 |
| * RST38h finds his E70 way more convenient to bring along though (which is a real pity) | 10:16 | |
| * jaem browses the internet on the NIT embedded in Stskeep's skull | 10:16 | |
| RST38h | jaem: ssh into his brain and run htop! | 10:17 |
| jaem | haha | 10:17 |
| jaem | I was thinking a privelage escalation exploit | 10:17 |
| * jaem gains root@Stskeep-brain | 10:17 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: there are occasional processes in my brain i wouldn't mind to kill once in a while. | 10:17 |
| RST38h | jaem: And what would you do with higher privileges? Make him piss? | 10:17 |
| jaem | no... but I'd have access to his bank account :P | 10:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Do it the Windows way, shut it down periodically =) | 10:18 |
| jaem | Sts: you might want to install a new one, while you're at it | 10:18 |
| RST38h | jaem: Not really, the passwords are stored in a file named and-some-other-junk | 10:18 |
| jaem | and make sure it has 8x the performance, or it won't be able to keep up with the latest version | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | jaem: i'm so there when brain implants for information lookup comes out | 10:19 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: plaintext? Seriously? Don't you take security seriously, now that Google has Brain Search? | 10:19 |
| jaem | I don't look at my password, but immediately run it through 8kb RSA, and memorize that | 10:20 |
| jaem | it adds a bit of overhead to four-digit bank PINs, though | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | bbl, gf awake | 10:20 |
| jaem | bye | 10:20 |
| RST38h | got an external interrupt | 10:21 |
| RST38h | an NMI even... | 10:21 |
| jaem | NMI | 10:21 |
| jaem | beat me... | 10:21 |
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| thux | got couple wifi routers and one seems to drain tablet battery faster?! is it possible and why is that? | 10:28 |
| jaem | I believe there's something on the forums about that | 10:32 |
| jaem | I vaguely remember seeing something of the sort | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | ~wifi-psm | 10:32 |
| infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | perhaps | 10:32 |
| jaem | qwerty12: that'd be it | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | That page used to exist.. no wait, X-Chat can't highlight links properly | 10:33 |
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| aquatix | good moaning | 10:40 |
| thux | how to know which routers support psm and which doesn't? can i see it on signal somehow? | 10:40 |
| thux | my battery drainer router is some zyxel which isp gives free to customers | 10:43 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I have a keymap, mostly. | 10:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | thux, if ISPs are giving them away for free, they probably don't. | 10:44 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: Fn is keycode 464, which standard kbd doesn't work :< | 10:44 |
| thux | old linksys wrt seems give longer battery life | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: bingo | 10:45 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: will need to patch kbd :x | 10:46 |
| luke-jr | oh well, tomorrow | 10:46 |
| luke-jr | I am way overdue for bed | 10:46 |
| luke-jr | btw, it's nice to have a pipe key ;) | 10:46 |
| luke-jr | night | 10:46 |
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| zakkm | why is there atscene and digi@scene, in the repo, when they are the same thing arent they? | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm: digi@scene is the correct name | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | atscene was a mistake and they want that removed | 10:58 |
| zakkm | oh | 10:58 |
| zakkm | i got atscene like few days ago, and then saw a digi@scene in repository im like hmm is it the same? | 10:58 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: debhelper is installed | 11:21 |
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| Macer | hi | 11:35 |
| StsN800 | lo | 11:36 |
| Macer | got it? | 11:36 |
| StsN800 | its out of customs now | 11:36 |
| Macer | lol | 11:36 |
| Macer | still not at your house? =) | 11:36 |
| StsN800 | will get it when home on thursday | 11:36 |
| Macer | awesome | 11:36 |
| StsN800 | in poland from yesterday | 11:36 |
| Macer | poland? | 11:36 |
| Macer | why? | 11:36 |
| StsN800 | small vacation with fiancé | 11:37 |
| StsN800 | e | 11:37 |
| Macer | in poland? | 11:37 |
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| StsN800 | yeah - polish gf | 11:37 |
| Macer | is she polish? | 11:37 |
| Macer | ah | 11:37 |
| Macer | heh. there are a lot of poles here in chicago | 11:38 |
| StsN800 | at parents in law and going to the apartment we'll live in from sep today | 11:38 |
| Macer | well. im about to go home. let me know when you get the n800 | 11:39 |
| Macer | StsN800: btw | 11:40 |
| Macer | have you ever set up an auth server in osol or nexenta? | 11:41 |
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| Macer | i wanted to set up an auth server using the main box for it and i suppose oldap + kerberos + nfs | 11:41 |
| Macer | was going to google info on it but was wondering if you had a good page to explain it? tried a while back with fbsd and linus and it was a total failure | 11:43 |
| Macer | linux | 11:43 |
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| StsN800 | haven't personally, but ldap.. get slapd? | 11:46 |
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| * lcuk strolls over to the coffe machine | 11:51 | |
| * qwerty12 modifies it to bring out the energy drinks | 11:51 | |
| lcuk | that wont help | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Bah, you coffee/tea drinking type | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | +s | 11:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 11:53 |
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| Macer | slapd? | 12:00 |
| Macer | they have that for nexenta? | 12:00 |
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| Macer | ah well. time to go | 12:01 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: thanks - I actually need cdbs :) | 12:34 |
| * lbt goes back to trying to make the windows on his TVR actually close | 12:35 | |
| lcuk | lbt, carputer or real glass ones? | 12:35 |
| lbt | the ones that are supposed to keep the rain out | 12:37 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: installed | 12:40 |
| lbt | quilt? | 12:41 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: done | 12:50 |
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| jackdoor | hi | 14:12 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ta ... that's done it :) | 14:41 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:58 |
| lcuk | hi lopz | 15:00 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, thank you for the stuff you mentioned on ciros clock about sleeping till next needed :) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | unsigned long ticks = liqapp_GetTicks(); | 15:01 |
| lcuk | ticks = ticks % 1000; | 15:01 |
| lcuk | vcell_propseti(self,"timerinterval", (1000-ticks)+10 ); | 15:01 |
| lcuk | ^ seconds tick for a new clock :) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | i wouldv just left it refreshing every .25 sec ;) | 15:01 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 15:52 |
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| maemo | hey wazd :) | 15:56 |
| * maemo nick zakkm | 15:56 | |
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| wazd | :) | 15:56 |
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| MakeGho | ping | 16:18 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 16:19 |
| MakeGho | hi to you too | 16:19 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h, wazd, halfghost | 16:24 |
| lcuk | + zakkm | 16:24 |
| zakkm | heyy :) | 16:24 |
| lcuk | wazd, i have a visual layout designer on windows now :D | 16:25 |
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| * RST38h suspects lcuk is running vnc on the tablet to connect to that windows machine | 16:29 | |
| lcuk | heh | 16:30 |
| lcuk | its worse than that ;) | 16:30 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090418_015403.lib.scr.png and http://liqbase.net/interface_design_test.png | 16:30 |
| RST38h | phone here | 16:31 |
| lcuk | pardon | 16:31 |
| RST38h | another 30 minutes and I am back to civilization, mbpses, and big screens | 16:32 |
| zakkm | lcuk: is that your idea for liqbase? | 16:34 |
| lcuk | no, its just easier coding up an export from there than writing the layouts by hand | 16:35 |
| lcuk | ive got lots of prototypes to build and ive already got the layouts in vb | 16:35 |
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| keesj | disk full on maemo.org? | 16:50 |
| lcuk | heh keesj what are you building | 16:50 |
| keesj | http://www.paste-it.net/raw/public/ca180ac/ | 16:51 |
| keesj | no the website I duess | 16:51 |
| keesj | guess | 16:51 |
| lcuk | you should be able to have a peek though | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | or havent you got root access yet :D | 16:53 |
| keesj | df -h should be reveasling a lot | 16:53 |
| oilinki | maemo is using netapp. that's good. | 16:54 |
| oilinki | what other hardware is there? | 16:54 |
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| t_s_o | is it safe to edit the alarmd xml file by hand, or is there some kind of tool for removing multiple redundant entries? | 17:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's safe but there's a tool called alarmtool (or something) in some nokia repo somewhere | 17:16 |
| t_s_o | oh joy... | 17:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 17:18 |
| infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 17:18 |
| igorto | hi ... someone knows if there is any problem with cmake in scratchbox? | 17:20 |
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| t_s_o | bah, editing anything related to alarmd didnt help the entries seems to simply recreate themselves... | 17:38 |
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| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: on what highlight page: "Fremantle pre-alpha release revealed even more interesting things about the potential hardware that weren't contained in the not-announcement from the Summit" <- What were those? I'm curious | 17:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_: | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 17:48 |
| infobot | i guess rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 17:48 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but that link above says that there were surprises. I wonder what those were | 17:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, accelerometers, fm rx/tx, a second camera. | 17:50 |
| t_s_o | bah, i hate it when the tablet runs low on internal storage, the errors are just weird... | 17:51 |
| oilinki | fm rx/tx would be a great | 17:51 |
| oilinki | easy to stream favorite channels to car .. or home stereos | 17:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Sorry, blame the mer h-i-m... | 18:44 |
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| gomiam | Vivin poniendo nombr;) | 18:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I can see your conversion from the dark side is not yet complete. | 19:05 |
| RST38h | "from" or "to"? | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way | 19:06 |
| roope | hi. | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on your perspective, I guess. | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, roope. | 19:06 |
| lcuk | heh gen | 19:06 |
| roope | Are there are new speculations for today? ;) | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, but we've got plenty of especulations. :P | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody over in Helsinki hit Quim for me? :P | 19:07 |
| roope | For what? :) | 19:08 |
| * lcuk waves @ roope \o | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | what item do you prefer him to be hit with? | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | He keeps using "especulation" | 19:08 |
| lcuk | e-bollocks then? | 19:09 |
| roope | Ah. He's espanish. ;) | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something soft and light, it's a minor infraction. ;) | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, next time you bring out that council silliness I _am_ going to hit you. | 19:10 |
| lcuk | why, you above all others should be holding up your nokia tablet as an active worthwhile device (which it is) | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a separate argument. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | My council position is totally irrelevant to that discussion. | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and I'm _really_ sick of people falling back to that as an argument. | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | but we are not stuck with a dead platform nor obscolete hardware which are your words, the tablet might not be a super shiney horse, but its versatile and can run lots of things, and theres the whole Mer project (remember, its Maemo Reconstructed) to push us forward with everything we need | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo is dead | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | it might be, but we aint stuck with it | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's no longer being developed and nobody in their right mind will pick it up. | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: checked the version of the libraries recently? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | s/version/versions/ | 19:15 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: lcuk: checked the versions of the libraries recently? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My point is, the community is stuck with a piece of hardware that doesn't have any day-to-day usable replacement software and is finished with vendor support. | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nothing to upgrade to | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My point was that that makes communities antsy and prone to bickering. | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing more. | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, yeah, but are you stuck with diablo? | 19:17 |
| mavhc | what's the equiv situation for another system/community? | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're somebody who wants to be productive day-to-day, yes. | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: So far, I'd say yes. | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, that might change in a few months | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that doesn't change the situation today. | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | Most computers in my house has older software than Diablo :) | 19:19 |
| mavhc | is this a short term problem then? | 19:19 |
| konttori | GeneralAntilles: Ah. Cool. Accelerometers would be nice - especially if they are/would be accurate enough. | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori, the part looks decent enough on DigiKey | 19:20 |
| woglinde | hi | 19:20 |
| konttori | Ah. cool. | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | I want some gyros too :) | 19:21 |
| rmt | Accelerometer + digital compass :-) | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The audio out is going to be top-notch | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really nice TI headphone amp | 19:22 |
| rmt | And a better GPS .. (not having used GPSs much, I've no idea of the quality, but it does indeed take an incredibly long time to sync) | 19:22 |
| * RST38h actually likes n810 audio out | 19:22 | |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well you're deaf | 19:22 |
| RST38h | way better than anything else I have in the house | 19:22 |
| RST38h | I am, true | 19:22 |
| mavhc | so if you took a photo with it it would know gps, and all angles, so you could instantly accurately place it on google earth? | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interestingly enough, the GPS is the one part that wasn't mentioned in the kernel. | 19:23 |
| RST38h | GPS will most likely remain the same, don't get your hopes high | 19:23 |
| gilles | hi guys | 19:23 |
| RST38h | General: Well it does not have to | 19:23 |
| * konttori has no clue about the gps quality, but usually they haven't been exactly stellar on nokia devices | 19:23 | |
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| ShadowJK | the N810 audio is a bit silly. If you sit in a quiet room, you can hear noise from the built-in speakers. There's noise when audio is activated, and then the noise goes away when audio is deactivated. So, if you have touchscreen sounds on, it's something like *ping*sshhhhhhhhhhhhh-click *ping*shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-click | 19:23 |
| RST38h | General: the 5300 chip is connected via standard SPI or RS232 interfaces | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it needs no kernel support | 19:24 |
| gilles | i want to backup my os before flashing and dual booting it | 19:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: If you heard audio from my ASUS Digimatrix, may its designers be cursed with white noise forever... | 19:24 |
| * rmt wonders why somebody goes to the bother of manually posting spam (it has a captcha) to a personal blog's contact page. | 19:25 | |
| gilles | how to backup everything: apps, config ? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | tar | 19:25 |
| gilles | you're right | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | rmt, it's a big industry now. Spammers have tools that detect captcha's and send it through special software for human to solve it. They have sweatshops in poor countries with children chained to computers, solving captchas 16 hours per day. If they're lucky and solve many correctly, they even get fed | 19:26 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol | 19:27 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i could make that guy a custom deb... :P | 19:27 |
| RST38h | rmt: They direct your captchas to porno sites and make poor wankers solve them to get some pussy images | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I'm thinking we might drop the warning string, though. | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | that too | 19:27 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ? why' | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it's ugly | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have a confirmation dialog for it anyway, right? | 19:28 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:28 |
| gilles | i've read a long howto for installing ubuntu | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, an ontopic question, does N800 have a microphone? | 19:28 |
| gilles | is there a shorter way ? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, that giant hole in the top center? | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | what giant... | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | right | 19:29 |
| gilles | and what about sound ? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the 770's "paperclip reset button" headphone port. | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, you *must* stab it with a needle | 19:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yeah I suppose | 19:31 |
| rm_you | we need to finish off translations | 19:32 |
| rm_you | which ones are we missing? | 19:32 |
| * rm_you checks | 19:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 19:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We're gonna be adding strings soon anyway. | 19:32 |
| rm_you | qwerty gave me some patches | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should probably stay unstable for most of the summer. | 19:32 |
| rm_you | i'll apply those and release in a week or two | 19:32 |
| rm_you | after this gets some downloads :P | 19:32 |
| rm_you | make you happy, lol | 19:32 |
| rm_you | also, i think "top rated" needs to be reviewed, cause it basically only goes to things no one uses.... since theres a chance of someone random giving a low rating and everything on top has all 5s, but has like 8 reviews total, ours has 40 and has like one lower rating, so got knocked off >_> | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | A minimum review requirement could be useful for that list | 19:35 |
| rm_you | or like | 19:35 |
| rm_you | do an AVERAGE | 19:35 |
| rm_you | err | 19:35 |
| rm_you | or something | 19:35 |
| rm_you | i dunno | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooor, we just wait for Maemo 5 and the insane influx of users. | 19:35 |
| rm_you | weight it so things with more reviews get higher | 19:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we do have an in with the webmaster | 19:36 |
| rm_you | is this going to be needed in maemo5? will i need to do porting? | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe some ballot stuffing. :P | 19:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | My bet is on Nokia shipping the display applet with 3 levels. | 19:36 |
| rm_you | i dont want to just shove ours to the top... i mean, my motivation isn't entirely selfless, but i AM just asking it be fair | 19:36 |
| rm_you | rofl yeah :P | 19:37 |
| rm_you | if trends continue... :P | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, maybe 2 | 19:37 |
| rm_you | display settings on the maemo5 device: Bright (80%), Bright (90%), Bright (95%) | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ON and OFF | 19:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'll guarantee you the applets wont be combined | 19:37 |
| rm_you | can't get below 80 and can't QUITE get brightest :P | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | or have any cool features | 19:37 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 19:38 |
| rm_you | truth | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or be open source | 19:38 |
| rm_you | qwerty's patches do good things | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, plan on porting. | 19:38 |
| rm_you | gives me links to the official applet's control panels tho | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That goddamn qwerty12. | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | MUAHAHAHAHAHA | 19:38 |
| rm_you | which would have been nice a year ago, but with plans for a replacement... | 19:38 |
| rm_you | still, i'm gonna put em in prolly | 19:38 |
| rm_you | well, at least one of them | 19:39 |
| rm_you | the hardware button one | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer needs some control panels. | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, it's only for the "Display Settings" | 19:39 |
| rm_you | not sure about the control panel links, as i've been trying to avoid issues that come up if people mess with the brightness control panel | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Adding "Sound Settings" took too much space and I opened the Display one more than I did the Sound one | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, fair enough | 19:39 |
| rm_you | though that code will be useful when we have our OWN control panel and I need to link to it | 19:39 |
| rm_you | so, thanks :P | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:40 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: you have a decently updated kernel with the full patchset? | 19:40 |
| rm_you | i want rotation back, but dont want to switch to the kernel from like last year >_> | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I have a latest kernel, but decent? | 19:40 |
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| rm_you | i think when i tried it bricked my SD install | 19:40 |
| rm_you | which i suppose i could fix but i've been lazy | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | The mer_kernel is a nice stable one: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/ | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | No 48Mhz SD speed though, if that is your thing | 19:41 |
| * Corsac wants a 2.6.29 kernel | 19:43 | |
| Corsac | and a pony! | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Grr, opening a CDBS debian/rules always makes me mumble obscenities | 19:44 |
| woglinde | hihi | 19:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did Fremantle move to 28 or 29? | 19:45 |
| gilles | GeneralAntilles: i tried to use a syntax like this one "tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/media /" | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | gilles, you'll probably want to back up to another volume. | 19:46 |
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| gilles | but i got --exclude:unrecoginzed option | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I should really put up a guide somewhere on how to backup /dev/mtdblock4 to a jffs2 file sometime | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | gilles: busybox tar sucks | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I'll fix your whitespace issues when you put it on the wiki then give you a cookie. :P | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Deal! | 19:47 |
| gilles | tar cvpzf /media/mmc1/backupsysmamemo.tgz --exlcude=/media / | 19:47 |
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| gilles | qwerty12:should i install gnutar ? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | gilles: yes | 19:48 |
| * RST38h read stuff across the screen | 19:48 | |
| RST38h | So, is RX-51 going to have real strings? Metal or plastic? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | gilles: if you're gonna back it up to a gzip, install the gzip available too | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Will it have 6 or 7 or 12? | 19:49 |
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| ShadowJK | I heard claims that 2.6.29 doesn't work (well) on any ARM :P | 19:49 |
| woglinde | ShadowJK well in which way? | 19:50 |
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| rm_you | lol | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | no idea :) | 19:51 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, do you know the reference for the accelerometer part that rx-51/71 may have ? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, erm, hang on. | 19:52 |
| gilles | installing tar need removing lot of stuff | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | gilles: install the one in Extras | 19:52 |
| gilles | another idea ? | 19:52 |
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| qwerty12 | You are installing the one that has a nice icon when viewed in the application manager right? | 19:52 |
| gilles | whats its name ? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnit, where did I put that part number. . . . | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Can't remember and I can't check as my tablet's in Mer ATM | 19:53 |
| gilles | i want to backup everything on my system before | 19:54 |
| gilles | how to ? | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?KeywordSearch&Site=US&Lang=EN&Vendor=497&MPart=LIS302DLTR&enterprise=12 | 19:56 |
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| gilles | mayday | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.htm | 19:57 |
| lcuk | gilles, theres a backup tool | 19:58 |
| lcuk | "settings/backup" | 19:58 |
| lcuk | its not a total complete backup, but gets most things | 19:58 |
| gilles | no it doesnt not remember my apps, my settings | 19:58 |
| gilles | very useless | 19:59 |
| lcuk | areyou sure? | 19:59 |
| KurtKraut | Would be possible to use Maemo as a XDMCP client? | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | gilles, um, that's exactly what it does. | 19:59 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, thanks, is the same accelerometer that N95 , N93i, N82 and freerunner use :) | 19:59 |
| gilles | i want something like a disk image | 19:59 |
| lcuk | backup select: emails, documents, media, other, settings, bookmarks, contacts, application list" | 20:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | infobot: ping? | 20:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:00 |
| gilles | perhaps it has evolved since last time | 20:01 |
| gilles | and systeme upgrades ? | 20:01 |
| woglinde | KurtKraut I prepared qtnx and nx stuff | 20:02 |
| lcuk | i do agree though - its not actually clear and would benefit from a specific folder tree to select | 20:02 |
| woglinde | its in extras-devel | 20:02 |
| lcuk | gilles, no it expects you to do those anyway | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, good unit? | 20:02 |
| lcuk | ssu hasi t | 20:02 |
| KurtKraut | woglinde: that sounds amazing... have you tested it? What about performance? | 20:02 |
| woglinde | its working fine | 20:02 |
| woglinde | even over utms and grps | 20:03 |
| woglinde | but with some delays | 20:03 |
| woglinde | okay | 20:03 |
| woglinde | diner now | 20:03 |
| woglinde | till later | 20:03 |
| gilles | i prefer make a disk image | 20:03 |
| gilles | but i'm not able to do it using busybox tar | 20:04 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yes, if we will have open access to the hardware is very powerful, you can sample data until 200hz at least (I never tested with more than 200 values per second :P) | 20:06 |
| gilles | no help ? | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, so, when you gonna write a Maemo Mapper patch that augments the GPS? | 20:07 |
| gilles | does it backup all my hidden files in my home folder ? | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, you need a compass too, if I'm understanding what you mean | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, we can only hope. | 20:09 |
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| Corsac | did someone managed to connect to the minigpsd on port 2947 from remote? | 20:10 |
| Corsac | like with xpgs and stuff like that? | 20:10 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, screen orientation help for the GPS or make a accelerometer act as inertial navigation system (replacing the gps :P)? | 20:10 |
| Corsac | gpsmon seems to get some data, but nothing with xgps, cgps, viking, stuff like that | 20:10 |
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| sampo | hmm can we assume that in fremantle default user will be "user" like before | 20:26 |
| * qwerty12 wonders why scratchbox didn't come with bash-completion by default... | 20:29 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | "What can we do to make qwerty12's life harder today?" | 20:30 |
| KurtKraut | lol | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | Not send me those spliffs | 20:30 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: BOO | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | wha where huh? | 20:32 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: how's life? | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: your love of windows saddens me :( | 20:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:33 |
| lcuk | hiya rm_you its good, but a bit hard | 20:33 |
| rm_you | :( | 20:34 |
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| sampo | is that hildonbanner supposed to be just black box int he alpha sdk or were there some changes ? | 20:45 |
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| thopiekar | hi there | 20:59 |
| thopiekar | someone of the german maemo-forum said that his N770 isn't showing his wlan-networks around him.. | 21:00 |
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| thopiekar | is this a known bug and how can he fix that? | 21:00 |
| zakkm | latest firmware? | 21:00 |
| zakkm | try going to connections, then do scan.. rather than the icon in the corner | 21:01 |
| thopiekar | zakkm: yes the lastest one.. OS2006 version 3.2006.49-2. | 21:02 |
| zakkm | oh right 2007 is Hacker edition for 770 | 21:02 |
| zakkm | uh | 21:02 |
| zakkm | just mess around in "connections" in control panel , evantually it would "work" | 21:02 |
| thopiekar | k | 21:02 |
| thopiekar | thanks | 21:03 |
| zakkm | my case going back to 2007, i used to have to mess around alot with connections | 21:03 |
| zakkm | and then it would start to find spots | 21:03 |
| zakkm | it was weird, im sure theres a better way though | 21:03 |
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| thopiekar | zakkm: k :] | 21:09 |
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| * Khertan1 has just bricked his n810 | 21:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | For real? | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | i don't think | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | i hope it just software | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, does it show any signs of life? | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it's fine. | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | just the nokia logo at start | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | and shutdown :) | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's enough to flash. | 21:37 |
| zakkm | ITS ALIVEEEE | 21:37 |
| Khertan1 | ok great | 21:38 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 21:38 |
| locutus | Khertan1: not to sound smartass, but isnt the battery just to low? | 21:38 |
| zakkm | say the magic words, press the right buttons(flash button), and it comes back to life :) | 21:38 |
| locutus | Khertan1: try first enabling R&d mode, and see what it does | 21:38 |
| Khertan1 | locutus ... i was installing mer :) | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Mer virus | 21:40 |
| locutus | mer?> | 21:40 |
| Khertan1 | GeneralAntilles: yep | 21:40 |
| Khertan1 | ... | 21:41 |
| Khertan1 | does there is a flasher for win32 ? | 21:41 |
| zakkm | is there | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 21:41 |
| zakkm | wont the official one work? | 21:41 |
| zakkm | oh wait dont | 21:41 |
| Khertan1 | a official one ? | 21:42 |
| zakkm | there should be a cygwin port or something | 21:42 |
| Khertan1 | can't found it | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Windows flasher | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 21:42 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont flash just a rootfs, though. | 21:42 |
| Khertan1 | ah ok thks :) | 21:43 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: There should be a cygwin + flasher-3.0 so you can use in windows i think :) | 21:43 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... ... it ll delete the internal card too ? | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: no | 21:44 |
| Khertan1 | sure ? | 21:44 |
| igorto | just with me or cmake are not working very well in scratchbox? | 21:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: ja | 21:44 |
| Khertan1 | ok thnks | 21:45 |
| zakkm | Khertan1: take it out first, if your worried ;p | 21:45 |
| Khertan1 | zakkm: haha the internal ram ? | 21:46 |
| Khertan1 | :à | 21:46 |
| Khertan1 | i have an n810 | 21:46 |
| woglinde | re | 21:46 |
| Khertan1 | not an n800 | 21:46 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 21:46 |
| zakkm | oh | 21:46 |
| zakkm | i want a n810 :( | 21:46 |
| Khertan1 | zakkm: but with a good knife it could be doable :) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | focused hair dryer | 21:47 |
| Khertan1 | hum ... the flasher didn't found the device | 21:47 |
| Khertan1 | ;( | 21:47 |
| Khertan1 | the nit shutdow while dectection | 21:48 |
| Khertan1 | ;( | 21:48 |
| zakkm | Khertan1: is it charged? | 21:48 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 21:48 |
| zakkm | you sure? | 21:48 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 21:48 |
| zakkm | start it up and hold "home button" | 21:49 |
| zakkm | while into usb | 21:49 |
| Khertan1 | same ... | 21:49 |
| zakkm | while the flasher says "detecting" | 21:49 |
| zakkm | it should stop the boot? | 21:49 |
| Khertan1 | so ... i think this is also a bug with the stupid windows things | 21:49 |
| zakkm | charge it more then | 21:49 |
| zakkm | possibly | 21:49 |
| Khertan1 | i ll try it under a live ubuntu cd | 21:49 |
| zakkm | k | 21:49 |
| Khertan1 | bye :) | 21:50 |
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| Khertan1 | this is not the first time i crash my nit with the flash of bootmenu :) | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bobbe, no away notices, please. | 22:10 |
| Bobbe | just turned them off | 22:10 |
| Bobbe | dunno why the thing did this | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, isn't the PSM setting actually global? | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: that's what the tablet says :) | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's buried in the per-connections dialog, though. | 22:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles is in brain failure mode at the moment. | 22:33 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can only see the setting stored once in gconf | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then what good are you? | 22:33 |
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| Macer | hello | 22:45 |
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| fauxmight | cd .e1 | 22:51 |
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| fauxmight | apologies. wrong term. | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, hello | 22:54 |
| fauxmight | hey, slono | 22:55 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, now there're three of us :) luke-jr joined gentoo-on-n8x0. i'm trying to give him access to git overlay at the moment :) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | insane people, all of you! :P | 22:56 |
| fauxmight | We spoke. Odd chance. He just hapened to mention it, but didn't know I was involved. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're going to have to begin the purges soon, Stskeeps. | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:56 |
| fauxmight | Gentoo has armv4l gnueabi stages now. Have you seen? | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: we're using armv6j | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | screw v4 :p | 22:57 |
| fauxmight | I know, but it's a step in a good direction. | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | I just pushed a sys-apps/kbd that supports the Fn key | 22:57 |
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| fauxmight | When I get back to trying to build my own catalyst stages, this will make a much easier starting point. | 22:57 |
| fauxmight | awesome. gentoo bugzilla? | 22:57 |
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| * slonopotamus built stages with catalyst | 23:01 | |
| slonopotamus | they're not much better then tar -cvzf :D | 23:01 |
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| fauxmight | Wow, I really have been out of the loop. And I lurk here quite a bit. | 23:02 |
| fauxmight | If you've got catalyst stages, I might be retired :) | 23:02 |
| slonopotamus | i did them, but gcc bug sprung out | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | they appeared to be armv4t binariess | 23:03 |
| fauxmight | Have you got a write up? Which gcc? | 23:03 |
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| fauxmight | (version) | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | write up? docs, you mean? | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: we have an overlay | 23:04 |
| fauxmight | yeah. anything about the catalyst stage building process and how it went for you. | 23:04 |
| fauxmight | Does layman recognize your overlay, or is it private/closed? | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, no docs. can make them if you want | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, not yet. need to ask that on o.g.o | 23:05 |
| fauxmight | arm or ~arm? | 23:05 |
| fauxmight | on the catalyst stage | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | doh | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | all this time qt-webkit was builting | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | it was going in loops due to bad clock setting | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 23:05 |
| fauxmight | ouch | 23:05 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, i threw it away | 23:05 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, because binaries became armv4t | 23:06 |
| fauxmight | got it. | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: does the clock work for you? | 23:06 |
| slonopotamus | err | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | I have to set it manually each boot | 23:06 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, you took fauxmight's kernel? | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | nope | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr | using Maemo's | 23:07 |
| slonopotamus | err | 23:07 |
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| luke-jr | btw, wifi "just worked" for me | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | I didn't need to install anything | 23:08 |
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| luke-jr | .. | 23:08 |
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| slonopotamus | woops | 23:09 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i'll check | 23:09 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, btw. does it mean my boot docs worked? | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: to some degree ;) | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | I don't like having to add those 4 modules | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | plan to try moving them to the gentoo rootfs and using modules.autoload | 23:10 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, hmm... you won't see loading process othherwise | 23:11 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: even w/ modules.autoload? | 23:11 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, well, if they load, then yes | 23:12 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, but how do you know what happenned if they didn't load? :) | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: logs | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | after I blindly start X ;) | 23:13 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, and if something breaks and it can't write logs? :) | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I assume only one thing breaks at a time | 23:14 |
| slonopotamus | err... you started x by hand? | 23:14 |
| mikkov_ | ad | 23:14 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: not yet | 23:15 |
| luke-jr | I have not run X yet | 23:15 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, oh. | 23:15 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, those modules are only needed to see text console | 23:16 |
| slonopotamus | brb | 23:16 |
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| fireun | devorak12 is the only recourse | 23:17 |
| fireun | disregard | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ',.py you mean? ;) | 23:18 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i do not confirm clock reset | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 23:20 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, it goes correctly when boot into gentoo | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | * Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. | 23:21 |
| fauxmight | It's in the initfs | 23:21 |
| fauxmight | can't remember the name .. retutime? | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: well, it doesn't run then :/ | 23:21 |
| fauxmight | It won't if your base is built non-gnueabi. | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr,, that message doesn't matter | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: well, I get 1970 time too | 23:23 |
| slonopotamus | clock is already set when init process starts | 23:23 |
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| edbartosh | VDVsx: Hi | 23:23 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: not for me | 23:24 |
| slonopotamus | does it show time at start of init process? | 23:25 |
| edbartosh | VDVsx: Check your mailbox, please. There is an email there from GSoC organizers. It requires your attention and action. | 23:25 |
| slonopotamus | i installed baselayout-2, so not sure what you see | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | not sure | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | I should install baselayout-2, yes | 23:25 |
| slonopotamus | gotta sleep. 0:26 here. | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | k | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | ttyl | 23:26 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, it shouldn't matter. as i remember, clock is set via initfs | 23:27 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, please, correct me | 23:27 |
| fauxmight | night, slono | 23:27 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: Solar has q for 4 | 23:27 |
| luke-jr | for u | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: not sure it is, i set in linuxrc | 23:28 |
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| kcowolf | do I need to be root to umount my SD card? | 23:29 |
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| slonopotamus | oh crap | 23:30 |
| kcowolf | or even better, how can I make sure the one I'm trying to umount IS the SD card | 23:30 |
| slonopotamus | oh, no | 23:31 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, /linuxrc | 23:31 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, /usr/bin/retutime -i || true | 23:31 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, keep in mind that it's run when /mnt/initfs is / yet | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I have no intention of modifying initfs more | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kcowolf: mount | grep mmcblk | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | if I need to, I'll chroot /mnt/initfs /usr/bin/retutime -i || true | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | try it | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | linuxrc is in gentoo partition | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | eh | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | confused | 23:33 |
| slonopotamus | but that bootmenu knows how to use it | 23:33 |
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| kcowolf | qwerty: that showed mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk1p1 | 23:35 |
| slonopotamus | argh. that bootmenu stuff is insane | 23:35 |
| kcowolf | mmcblk1 is external, correct? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: someone prolly forgot ITEM_LINUXRC. | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kcowolf: yes, should be usually | 23:35 |
| kcowolf | I'm trying to umount mmcblk1p1 and it's giving me "operation not permitted" | 23:35 |
| slonopotamus | err | 23:35 |
| slonopotamus | me? | 23:35 |
| kcowolf | (trying to format and repartition my external card) | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no clue, but whoever has retutme problems | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kcowolf: and you're root? | 23:36 |
| kcowolf | not yet, should I be? | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: nope | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kcowolf: yes | 23:37 |
| kcowolf | okay, wasn't sure | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: though I hacked it straight into the initrd's bootmenu.conf | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | instead of whatever.d thing | 23:37 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, where did you take bootmenu from? | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | if it's just fanoush's bootmenu instead of the deblet one, you dont have one that supports it | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 23:38 |
| kcowolf | Only way to become root is with becomeroot? | 23:38 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, please follow my booting doc :) | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~root-access | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I did ☺ | 23:38 |
| infobot | methinks root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ kcowolf | 23:39 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, where you got bootmenu from? :) | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 23:39 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, then try taking from sources in doc. because 'fanoush bootmenu' won't work | 23:40 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, we need some protection from wrong bootmenus i guess | 23:44 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: port GRUB | 23:45 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, if it is a source of your problem | 23:45 |
| * luke-jr runs | 23:45 | |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, grub won't work. things are too complicated in n8x0 boot process :) | 23:46 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 23:46 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, did you know it boots even in order to charge? :) | 23:46 |
| luke-jr | yes | 23:46 |
| slonopotamus | that's insane :) | 23:47 |
| luke-jr | no | 23:47 |
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