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* sidnei gives up and installs mer00:41
woglinde*g*00:41
Stskeepshint: choose simple installation00:41
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sidneiStskeeps: thanks, that was my guess *wink*00:42
sidneiStskeeps: to boot, it's downloading at full speed, ports.ubuntu.com was giving me just 10k/s00:42
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Stskeepsyeah, ports.ubuntu.com is shite00:42
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ZehRiqueHello, there. Does somebody can tell me some maemo emulators under GNU/Linux?01:33
bef0rdwhat do you mean ZehRique01:34
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ZehRiquebef0rd: Well, I would like to develop an application in python for maemo and I don't know wich kind of emulators for using01:35
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JaffaZehRique: The Maemo SDK comes with qemu, and an x86 version of Maemo you can run locally01:37
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ZehRiqueJaffa: hmm.. OK! I will try it. But there is a software related with GNOME that does the same functionallity, am I sure?01:39
JaffaI'm afraid I don't understand your question.01:40
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ZehRiqueJaffa: I will paste a link here. If you can help me, I'll be very glad.01:41
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crashanddie_ZehRique, my I suggest that you read up upon the starter's guide for maemo developers?01:59
crashanddie_ZehRique, most of these questions are covered. Most people run qemu which allows to run an emulated ARM environment. This is probably what you are looking after, as Jaffa said.01:59
crashanddie_ZehRique, there is no software that originated in the GNOME project that achieves the same level of emulation, nor is there any support for other software than QEMU02:00
lbtlcuk: I seem to have gotten finger scrolling integrated into Qt core :)02:00
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lcuk!! :D lbt02:01
lbtit's a bit ugly...02:01
lbtit needs to introspect to find 'size()' methods02:02
lbtbut it works on the demo apps like Qt4 setting and qdbusviewer02:02
woglindehm what will be the standard videoplayer in fremantle?02:02
lbtneed to do a video tomorrow...02:03
RST38h!!!02:03
woglindelbt hehe02:03
woglindeI tried qt-embedded with gles at the desktop here with directfb02:03
woglindebut this config is segfaulting02:03
lbtnight all :)02:05
woglindenite lbt02:05
woglinde~lart intel for no opensource driver for poulsbo02:05
* infobot frags intel for no opensource driver with his BFG9000 for poulsbo02:05
woglindeI am going to02:05
woglindegood nite02:05
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ZehRiquesorry Jaffa: the link is this: http://live.gnome.org/Hildon02:06
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ZehRiqueJaffa: do you know if it has a good maemo emulator?02:07
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JaffaHildon is a library used by Maemo and Ubuntu MID02:09
ZehRiqueJaffa: hmm... Then I will use the Maemo SDK. Thanks for your help!02:10
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RST38hFinally! MaemoSDK+ installation05:14
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TrueJournalsHey... anyone familiar with sdk+05:24
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RST38hWhat is your question?05:26
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TrueJournalsWell, I launch the gui for the latest diablo sdk (armel emulated), and when I click the application icon in the task navigator, the gui just closes05:27
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RST38hCongratulations, it crashed.05:27
RST38hAnything else you would like to know? =)05:27
TrueJournalsHow can I make it not crash? :P05:28
fireunuse magic05:28
TrueJournalsHmmm...05:28
TrueJournalsCan apt-get install that?05:28
RST38hThe trick is to avoid using i386 Maemo imulation05:29
RST38hásimulation05:30
RST38hJust debug on the real device05:30
TrueJournalsBut it's so much easier with maemo emulation on my computer...05:31
TrueJournalsTrying to debug a task navigator plugin...05:32
RST38hIt crashes.05:32
RST38hAlso, it is not 100% the same05:32
TrueJournalsI realize that, but I'd like to get it working if possible05:32
RST38hAh, you are trying to DEBUG A TASK NAVIGATOR R PLUGIN :))05:32
RST38hHave you considered that it might have been your plugin crashing it? =)05:33
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TrueJournalsHaven't even installed the plugin05:33
TrueJournalsMuch less enabled it...05:33
* RST38h wonders if sdk+ diablo boostrap is as buggy as before05:33
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RST38hTrue: Then it just crashes on its own. Avoid. Debug on the real hw.05:34
TrueJournals*sigh*05:35
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TrueJournalsAh, well... it seems upgrading to jaunty was a mistake :P06:10
fireun"woops"06:14
fireunits too pure06:14
TrueJournalsYou're telling me :P Well, I hope the regular sdk works on jaunty...06:14
fireunwhat does "beta" mean again? (;06:15
TrueJournalsYes, yes... Apparently beta software on a beta OS = no-go...06:15
* fireun is still trying to get the video speed back after going to intrepid06:15
TrueJournalsWell... this is going to take a good 10 minutes or so...06:17
fireuntime enough to go get a juicebox06:17
TrueJournalsMore like midnight snack... it's 11:20 here...06:19
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neatojoneswhat's up peeps?07:38
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zakkmdo you need to buy anything to use irreco on a n800?08:15
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bensonzakkm: No, you can steal it. :p08:27
bensonI believe it does require additional hardware.08:27
zakkmseriously though.08:27
zakkmthe description makes it sound so weird and googling08:28
zakkmit doesnt actually specify08:28
zakkmsuch play-on-words to me08:28
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qwerty12hannesw, if I can get libwebkit in -devel, would it be OK to use the autobuilder? Only thing I have reservations about is that the autobuilder uses Scratchbox 1 and you say libwebkit built in sbox1 crashes on CSS parsing code09:57
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hanneswqwerty12: yes, that's my experience.10:00
hanneswbut it's worth a try, i'd say10:00
hanneswif you get it to use a different version of bison like bundyo says, it might work10:00
qwerty12I may as well go for it, I've got bison-2.2 in -devel and I think my rules "magic" should work10:00
hanneswwould be really cool10:00
hanneswdid you try it locally?10:01
qwerty12No, I'm gonna try it now10:01
hanneswgood luck :-)10:03
qwerty12I'll enable VFP, hope the 770 users don't come after me :)10:03
qwerty12Lol, thanks :)10:03
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AStormhmm, seems that my n810 has given up :?10:11
AStorminfinite reboot loop10:11
AStormguess I'll need a reflash10:11
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AStormor, not10:11
AStormbut this is starting to happen more often10:12
vasily_pupkinreflash sucks10:19
* vasily_pupkin make full flash of his device only once10:20
hhahlohi, is xine compiled for maemo?10:21
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* qwerty12 curses himself for not running dpkg-buildpackage with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=2"10:58
Stskeepsheh11:00
qwerty12morning Stskeeps11:01
qwerty12hannesw, think the bison trick worked, configure succeeded and config.log shows /usr/bin as first in my path. Now just to see if it finishes compiling... :)11:02
Stskeepsmorning qwerty1211:02
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qwerty12heh11:03
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qwerty12X-Fade, In the maemo-policy, the "B.3 Parallel option" section should be updated - it's been added to debian policy11:12
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, hit -developers.11:12
GeneralAntillesEero and co. are in charge of the policy.11:12
qwerty12Ah, ok, thanks.11:12
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, see section 1.4. :P11:13
qwerty12Haha, thanks:P11:13
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vasily_pupkinanybody know, is there any way to emulate USB keyboard?11:31
vasily_pupkinor generic HID device&11:31
vasily_pupkin?11:31
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qwerty12hannesw, welcome back, I think the bison trick worked, configure succeeded and config.log shows /usr/bin as first in my path. Now just to see if it finishes compiling... :)11:32
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lbthello gnuton...11:40
gnuton'morning lbt! :D11:40
gnutonlbt: how are you mate?11:40
lbtI'm just running qtdemo against my fingerscroller ... and it works quite well so I'm happy!11:40
lbtit is nowhere near as elegant as ariya's version though11:41
lbtOTOH mine actually works ;)11:41
gnutonlbt: cool! Does it work also for horizontal and diagonal scrolling?11:41
lbtoh yes...11:42
lbtI was going to do a video... but I may just send you the patch to try11:42
lbtit's not intrusive at all11:42
gnutonperfect... what do you mean with intrusive? it filters the evetns?11:43
lbtsingle line insert to add a 'monitor' object in the constructor new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller(this);11:43
lbtno, code wise11:43
lbtevent wise it is intrusive11:43
lbtbut11:43
lbtit takes press/move events eats them and copies them into a queue11:44
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lbtthen it replays them11:44
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lbtwhich means no events are lost11:44
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lbtsadly there are issues with movement calcs11:45
gnutonmmm too expensive to add them in the libs :/ Do you think?11:45
lbtprobably not - it is the same approach as ariya11:45
lbtbut more flexible11:45
lbtI think11:45
lbtplus, it is *very* easy to disable11:46
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lbtso I was thinking of integrating into the Qt settings manager11:46
gnutonlbt: the ariya code has been amputated by me of the queue... :D11:46
lbtah11:47
gnutonlbt: if you take a look of my lib patch I've removed the queue11:47
lbtthat's probably why it doesn't work... <grin>11:47
gnutonahah :D maybe :D11:47
lbtI have some questions11:47
gnutonthe worst thing is that sometime it works. sometime it doesn't.. :/11:48
gnutonlbt: ask me11:48
lbtScrollBar()->maximum() and friends11:49
lbtinternally Qt uses pixel size but this can be changed by setRange11:49
lbtso we *should* do scroll_range.ry() = qabstractscrollarea->verticalScrollBar()->maximum() - qabstractscrollarea->verticalScrollBar()->minimum();11:49
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lbtand then work on these values - yes?11:50
lbtso scroll_start / scroll_range = fraction_value_of_scrollbar  when we 'touch'11:51
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lbtwe need to calculate fraction_value_of_scrollbar when we move/release11:51
lbtfraction_value_of_scrollbar is related to child widget size11:51
lbtso I am introspecting and using class-specifics to get size eg11:52
lbtqscrollarea->widget()->width();11:52
lbtqtextedit->document()->size().toSize();11:52
lbtqgraphicsview->sceneRect().size().toSize();11:52
lbt(all this stuff is not in the 'fast path')11:53
lbtall this is needed 'cos *I* think ariya's approach : horizontalScrollBar()->setValue(delta.x());11:54
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lbtwill fail if the scrollbar range is changed11:54
lbtam I right?11:54
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gnutonlbt: that's right11:59
lbtgood - that's where 99% of the extra weight comes from...12:00
lbtbeing generic12:00
lbtI've sent you the patch12:00
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lbtalso I don't touch *anything* other than abstractscrollarea12:00
gnutonokay12:00
lbtand then only to add this monitor object during init12:01
lbtit might be a good idea to try the patch before looking at the code <blush>12:01
gnutonI took a look already :P ahah :D12:04
lbtalso, some of the code was designed to allow options like paperScroll vs normalScroll and constraining horiz/vert scrolling, turning kinetic off12:06
lbtbut that's not exposed as I didn't want to add any API12:06
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JaffaMorning, all12:10
StsN801morn jaffa12:11
lbt'lo12:11
Guest79732morning, jaffa~12:12
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lbtgnuton: fixed a bug where v.quick taps not handled...12:14
gnutonlbt: commit the patch :D12:18
gnutonlbt: I'm a bit away.. I'm cooking..12:18
lbtreally?12:18
lbtyou happy with it?12:18
gnutonsend me the patch :P12:19
gnutonto check it before12:19
lbtOK - there's things I want to tidy up.... if this was git I'd branch12:20
lbtyou may get a few versions in the email...12:20
lbtping me if/when you get time :)12:20
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GeneralAntillesHaving fun with WebKit, qwerty12? ;)13:06
qwerty12Indeed :/ ;)13:06
qwerty12Need to keep updating the Build-Dependencies it seems :/13:06
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VDVsxMorning, all13:21
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lcukmornin VDVsx13:33
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crashanddiedamnit13:38
crashanddieGoogle App Enginer Version 0-5-20090325.33236496546018964813:38
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crashanddieI understand why most Google products are still in beta13:39
lopzhi13:39
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lcukmicrosoft having problems with touchscreen gesture detection rates: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/025223014:02
lcuklbt, good read ;)14:03
crashanddieholy crap14:05
crashanddieI need to do my expenses14:05
lbtlcuk: ta14:05
crashanddielooking at the receipts, there's £800 worth14:06
zeenixcrashanddie: why do i want to know that? :)14:06
crashanddiezeenix, how about because you're part of a community, and a community also shares not-so-useful information such as what's happening in each other lives14:07
t_s_othats the problem, no. a human may guesstimate what someone is meaning based on own experiences and so on, while a computer just looks at parameters and tolerances...14:07
zeenixcrashanddie: well yes but your bills is hardly something i want to know about at least14:08
crashanddiezeenix, you see, some people actually enjoy talking with others, not because they also share very interesting information, but also because they simply care, or not, but even if you don't, just close your eyes and click on the right hand corner X, we won't hate you for it14:08
zeenixcrashanddie: something very private, isn't it?14:08
crashanddienot really14:08
crashanddieit's expenses, not bills14:08
lcukits only a real community if i can add things to YOUR expense account14:08
t_s_o:P14:08
qwerty12zeenix, if crashanddie's words upset you, /ignore14:08
zeenixcrashanddie: i didn't really object14:08
zeenixcrashanddie: notice the ":)" in my first message to you, i was hardly serious14:09
t_s_olcuk: income is private, expences are communal?14:09
JaffaWe all get a share of crashanddie's reimbursement? Cool.14:09
crashanddiehaha lcuk... Told you'd I'd give you £50 if I keep borrow a couch :P14:09
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lcukmy income is private, your expenses are communal14:09
crashanddies/keep/could/14:09
infobotcrashanddie meant: haha lcuk... Told you'd I'd give you £50 if I could borrow a couch :P14:09
lcukyou can borrow a couch, ill just move it into the back garden :D14:10
crashanddieyou'd ruin your couch for £50? Dayum, not sure I want to sleep on that14:10
lcuknever said it was mine :D14:11
crashanddielcuk, I can actually do that btw, you know, stay over with friends/family and expense their costs?14:11
lcukget to know the hiltons14:11
crashanddieyeah, but something tell's me hilton's running costs are about the same as my company's yearly tax14:12
crashanddies/'s/s/14:12
infobotcrashanddie meant: yeah, but something tells me hilton's running costs are about the same as my company's yearly tax14:12
lcukits not the running costs as such, its the vet bills for paris's frontline14:12
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npatt0nDoes anyone no where I can get a tablet14:35
lcukchemist14:37
lcuknpatt0n, can you get direct from nokia?14:37
npatt0nwell it's on backorder14:37
npatt0nI ordered one from cdw but it's back ordered til next month14:38
GeneralAntillesnpatt0n, try buy.com?14:38
npatt0nI was wondering if there was a place that had any in stock14:38
npatt0nok14:38
lcukMyrtti, how do i pronounce your name14:38
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npatt0nthanks for the General Antillies14:40
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darkblue_Bhello - what is the minimal thing I need to do to start a python script on system start on an N800 ?16:47
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VDVsxdarkblue_B, http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/How_GNU/Linux_start-up_scripts_work for e.g16:52
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GeneralAntillesGNU/Linux is unfortunate in a URL17:01
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* qwerty12 apologises to mgedmin in advance for leeching all the logs of his server...17:03
Stskeepsyeah.. that's a lot of info there17:04
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RST38hqwerty: Do you expect to find The Truth there? =)17:20
Stskeepsso your ubuntu install worked, RST38h?17:20
RST38hSts: Seems to be working just fine, better than XP in fact17:20
qwerty12RST38h, lol17:20
qwerty12RST38h, that's a given ;P17:20
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qwerty12I decided to be decent. I didn't leech every log. Instead, I leeched the ones from after 15/09/08. Why? http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/irc/ (Newer version of http://outpo.st/irc/)17:22
Stskeepshehe17:22
Stskeepsdear god17:22
Stskeepsam i the line whore?17:23
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qwerty12This is just stats from 15/09/08-today17:23
Stskeepshehe17:23
GeneralAntillesHaha17:24
GeneralAntillesStskeeps beat lcuk17:24
qwerty12Bah, I'll do a yearly one. I spoke less lines this time than in jott's one :P17:24
lcukthats only cos ive been doing more stuff outside of maemo :P17:24
lcukand cos kotzcarny wasnt on freenode to waffle to17:24
GeneralAntillesWhoever wrote pisg needs to be stabbed.17:24
GeneralAntillesHe/She17:25
qwerty12~stab pisg author17:25
* infobot runs at pisg author with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.17:25
lcukooooh Stskeeps you out-actioned me as well17:26
* lcuk will get his revenge17:26
* lcuk kicks17:27
* lcuk stomps17:27
* lcuk throws toys out of the pram17:27
qwerty12Those stats suck, I'm doing one for the year :P17:27
lcukyeah you are17:27
lcukive got a whole swath here17:27
qwerty12If you really want to see the total lines, for now, add the number given in my stats to jott's17:28
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lcuk"lcuk seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 5 times."17:28
lcuk:(17:28
lcukthats all u that17:28
lcukqwerty you are a bully17:28
qwerty12~bitchslap lcujk17:28
* infobot beats the sh*t out of lcujk17:28
qwerty12~bitchslap lcuk17:28
* infobot beats the sh*t out of lcuk17:28
qwerty12Thanks17:29
* lcuk phones qwertys mum and tells on him17:29
lbthmm, I'm glad my random quote wasnt a recent mis-speak from #c++ : I wanted to interfere as little as possible with the children17:29
qwerty12"Yes? Who is this qwerty fucker?"17:29
keesjthis ain't fantasy this it real irc . wake up17:29
keesjyou just can't go slapping around can you?17:30
Stskeepsin uk maybe..17:30
qwerty12*cough* happy slap *cough*17:30
lcukthankfully that was a fad quickly replaced by "jailtime"17:31
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lcukand the setting of a whole police division tasked with watching youtube all day17:32
lcukthey need dangermoney!17:32
jaskahaving to watch youtube videos all day? they must have high attrition and suicide rates17:32
lcukqwerty get those stats up, errrr stat17:32
qwerty12I'm waiting on wget to grab ~200 logs17:33
qwerty12My conscience is saying no to getting any more than that17:33
lcukfrom where?17:33
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lcukraw ones or processed html ones?17:34
qwerty12mgedmin's logs. Take of the .html and you get the raw log17:34
lcukcool17:34
lcukwhen has your conscience ever stopped you before ?17:34
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qwerty12I just saved his page and used find and replace and awk to print about ~866 direct links to logs in a text file17:34
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lcuklol17:35
qwerty12lcuk, "I just want you all to notice me and people to see that somewhere deep down, there's a decent human being in me - It just can't be found"17:35
lcukive got a single xchat log from my first day in xchat17:35
qwerty12aww, that's so sweet17:36
qwerty12not17:36
* lcuk passes qwerty a cuppy of orange17:36
lcukdont take the lid off it17:37
* qwerty12 kicks it around17:37
qwerty12bloody hell... I swear the autobuilder is slower than my computer: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/webkit_1.0-svn41128-1maemo1/ ...17:37
Stskeepsqwerty12: webkit is rather nasty17:37
qwerty12I should have set arch: armel :/...17:38
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qwerty12http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/irc/ <- that's better. Generated from 28/03/08 - 29/03/0817:50
GeneralAntillesBitch!17:51
lcuki17:52
qwerty12hehe17:52
lcukneed17:52
lcukto17:52
lcukmake17:52
lcukup17:52
lcuk600 lines17:52
Stskeepsheh17:52
Stskeepssame effect in all irc channels when stats like that come up. line whoring.17:52
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lcuki didnt need to with jotts lol17:52
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, now we just need karma for it. ;)17:53
* qwerty12 fucking kills Macer and ^Tux^ - how dare they fucking take the fucking swearing that should be fucking me. knobs! :P17:53
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, hah, yeah17:53
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qwerty12s/me/mine/17:53
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lcuklcuk spoke a total of 401272 words!17:54
qwerty12gobby northerner17:54
qwerty12:P17:54
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lcuklcuk always lets us know what he/she's doing: 2257 actions!17:55
lcukhuzzah!17:55
lcukqwerty12, i wonder if you could do something else: aliases, find a nice way to merge all the various versions17:56
qwerty12I'm itching to do one from 2006 but I have a feeling that mgedmin will kick my ass17:57
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Stskeepshow's the n810?18:30
luke-jrsucks18:30
luke-jrwhy did I get it?18:30
luke-jr-.-18:30
Stskeepsluke-jr: cos it's leet? :P18:30
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luke-jrit's useless18:31
rmtStskeeps, Going well.. using it mostly for reading ebooks atm .. I discovered I like reading, just not carrying around books. :)  And also for VOIP.. :-)18:31
Stskeepshehe, skype is excellent18:31
luke-jrN810 demands internet to be useful18:31
luke-jrand wireless is too broken18:31
luke-jrnever works18:32
Stskeepsheh18:32
rmtStskeeps, Just using the built in SIP with smslisto.com .. same service I use for the landline in Italy. Will use Skype more for work, I think.18:32
luke-jrWRT54G crashes every 5 minutes with WiFi and La Fonera usually just won't let me connect18:32
rmtluke-jr, Your wlan router crashes with the N810?18:32
Stskeepsla fonera is shite18:32
Stskeeps:P18:32
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, don't blame the device for broken routers.18:33
luke-jrrmt: with any wireless18:33
Stskeepsand crashes is a wide term18:33
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: all routers are broken?18:33
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, all the routers you're using, apparently.18:33
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GeneralAntillesOr you've just plain ignored all the troubleshooting advice I've given you.18:33
luke-jror maybe OpenWrt?18:33
luke-jrbut there's not much for options18:33
rmtSo far I'm not really seeing issues .. (although I did have some issues two days in a row with my home router's wlan dying.. but since it was working fine for days before that, I'm assuming it's not related to the 810)18:33
luke-jrDD-Wrt doesn't support IPv6 anymore18:33
Stskeepsluke-jr: openwrt crashes on some chipsets for me on too much load18:34
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rmtI currently have an InternetEverywhere device (GSM I guess.. or maybe WiMax) connected to my laptop.. and Ubuntu's NetworkManager Share Connection setup in Ad-Hoc mode, and the 810 using that..18:34
rmtSIP calls worked too, but occasionally were a little laggy18:35
luke-jr:o18:35
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* rmt spent CHF 150 today on a 50% discount card for Switzerland .. travel is very expensive without it.. Still about twice the price of travel in Italy with it, I think.18:38
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Stskeeps'lo jeremiah_18:38
jeremiah_hello!18:38
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jeremiah_/c18:39
jeremiah_wha?18:39
rmt3 return trips to Zurich and a bus ticket and it will have paid for itself.18:39
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jeremiah_there we go, clean irssi window. :)18:39
Stskeeps;)18:39
Stskeepsrmt: yeah, similar with youth cards in .dk. they pay themselves quite easily18:39
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jeremiah_hey qwerty :)18:45
qwerty12hi jeremiah :)18:45
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qwerty12huzzah! https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/webkit_1.0-svn41128-1maemo1/armel.build.log.OK.txt18:53
qwerty12Now for the i386 build...18:53
* GeneralAntilles hands qwerty12 the sucker prize. :P18:54
qwerty12I was always giving tips on what should be done to get it in extras, so I thought why not try it myself :P18:54
qwerty12Although I see my parallel make option didn't make it through, I'll reboot and see why - no wonder it's building at shit slow speeds18:55
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jeremiah_interesting to see if people do stuff with webkit.19:04
jeremiah_qwerty12_N800: Thanks for putting that in there. :)19:04
GeneralAntillesThere's stuff, we just gotta get 'em to get it in Extras. :\19:05
qwerty12_N800jeremiah_: np :). hannesw & Bundyo are having a lot of fun with it :)19:06
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jeremiah_It would be useful if you could make it fast and small.19:14
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GAN800Blown transformer . . . fun fun19:23
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StskeepsGAN800: heh, city transformer so no power in the house? :P19:28
GAN800A single branch shorting one stupid transformer will take down half the grid19:29
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Stskeepslovely19:30
GAN800The hurricanes are actually a good thing in some ways since they end up forcing them to upgrade the infrastructure to something from the later half of the 20th century. ;)19:30
GAN800I haven't done a rundown test with the UPS and the router recently, let's see how the battery is holding up.19:31
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GAN800Faster response time than normal.19:34
Firebirdreally?19:35
StskeepsGAN800: less lag on the cable(?) network, cos everyone else is off the grid? ;)19:35
GAN800Er, the utility company, Firebird. :19:35
GAN800P19:35
GAN800A couple cops moved into this complex a few weeks ago. That probably helps.19:36
Stskeepsheh19:36
Stskeepsand cops obviously never pirate.. :P19:37
qwerty12What do you take them for? :P19:37
GAN800Stskeeps, dunno, but they'll definitely call the dispatcher to send out a truck faster. ;)19:38
Stskeepshehe19:39
GAN800How the hell do I get nm to connect to a DUN connection. . . .19:40
qwerty12nm sucks, it barely works for connecting me to an AP...19:41
GAN800I can configure a connection. . . .19:42
GAN800Somebody should tell Nokia to open icd2 with the justification 'throw these lintards a bone'19:43
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StskeepsGAN800: i honestly think ICD2 may be nokia's strongest asset on mobile devices, heh19:45
qwerty12Stskeeps, nah, that award goes to browserd. *cough*19:46
GAN800Is 'mobile broadband' DUN or something more like MiniPCIe19:46
StskeepsGAN800: it's connect through a serial port19:46
Stskeepsto a modem19:46
GAN800Ugh19:46
StskeepsBT DUN? nfi :P19:46
Stskeepsblueman seems nice for this19:46
* GAN800 stabs Ubuntu repeatedly19:47
Stskeepsqwerty12: strongest asset as in that it actually makes most things more seamless than OSS solutions19:48
qwerty12Stskeeps, sarcasm19:48
Stskeepsyes :P19:48
GAN800The Google results are now making me we to stab myself19:50
GAN800Ready for the desktop my ass19:50
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mavhcis windows ready for the desktop?19:53
luke-jrno way19:54
luke-jrmajor usability issues19:54
luke-jrGAN800: what do you mean>?19:54
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GAN800luke-jr, I mean trying to peddle this heaped pile of steamy mush to mainstream is a joke.19:56
luke-jrGAN800: yeah, GNOME sucks19:56
luke-jrbetter push Kubuntu19:56
luke-jrbut what "Google results"?19:56
GAN800mavhc, I don't know, I don't use Windows.19:57
GAN800luke-jr, apparently it's not possible to tether without first wasting hours of your life.19:58
GAN800Something I can do pain free in Maemo and OS X.19:58
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luke-jrGAN800: oh, that's intentional I think ☺19:59
GAN800Must be having more fun out there than I thought. 3 squad cars.20:00
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GAN800These brainstorm comments are just bizarre.20:14
Stskeepson ubuntu?20:15
GAN800Yes20:16
trofi[:20:17
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v6saHi20:20
v6saLuis here?20:20
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VDVsxv6sa, which one ? :p20:23
v6saLuis Felipe?20:23
VDVsxis lfelipe[AWAY]20:24
v6sathanks for the information20:25
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GAN800They aren't seriously telling me people put up with this silliness day-to-day. . . .20:40
* GAN800 thinks he's switching to OS X.20:40
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qwerty12_N800Why not install & use the lovliness that is Windows?20:42
* GAN800 shoots qwerty12 with a tranq dart.20:42
qwerty12_N800aii! OK, I take that back :P20:42
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Stskeeps'lo yerga20:43
yergahola!20:43
fireunwindows + lovliness = implosion20:43
Stskeepsheh, any OS can screw up immensely20:44
fireunthey just have a history of it20:44
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Stskeepsyeah - i think history should start at xp though20:45
Stskeepsthey did something right there20:45
fireunbah20:45
fireunyou could argue NT in a similar fashion20:45
fireun"marginalism"20:45
qwerty12_N800Sure. And start again with Vista.20:45
Stskeepspretty much not look at vista20:45
Stskeeps:p20:45
GAN800The voting thread has gone way off into left field.20:46
yergaqwerty12_N800, when you have webkit working, you should upload pywebkit :P20:46
Stskeepssome truths are said in that thread, though20:46
fireunin comparison, macos has had a steady record of increasing sanity20:47
fireunlinux we know to be somewhat autistic20:47
qwerty12_N800yerga: hehe, I'm not much of a python packager - why don't you go for it? :)20:47
yergaqwerty12_N800, I haven't much time lately20:48
yergaand today one hour less ;)20:49
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qwerty12_N800Ah :/, hannesw/hns has it already debianized - he says he'll request Extras upload permissions when libwebkit is there20:49
qwerty12_N800Hehe20:49
* RST38h says it for the record that the "history" should have stopped at CP/M-8620:49
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fireunRST38h: ludite20:50
RST38hThat is "luddite", and I am not one20:50
GAN800Stskeeps, unfortunate it's surrounded by a lot of conspiracy-theory grade insanity.20:51
StskeepsGAN800: .. who is gene-ven anyway?20:51
RST38hGAN: So, what is the conspiracy theory of the day?20:51
GAN800Stskeeps, oldtime itT member.20:52
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Stskeepsah20:52
RST38h[sorry for asking but I am leaving for the airport in 10 minutes and won't be able to check itt]20:52
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: Nokia mafia20:52
GAN800Basically he's been trolling and spewing bile in greater and greater amounts of the last two years.20:52
timelE61igan: wanna try getting osx tethering working w/ me -again :)20:52
GAN800RST38h, evil council overloads wanting to enslave and abuse the poor little users.20:52
GAN800 s/loads/lords/20:53
StskeepsGAN800: but it's true.. :(20:53
Stskeeps;(20:53
RST38hGAN: Oh shit, do you also suck brains through straws? =)20:53
GAN800timelE61i, not until the power's back up.20:53
GAN800Stskeeps, nah, we just want to enslave you. Muahahaha!20:53
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GAN800RST38h, apparently, although I have no memory of it.20:54
* RST38h woudld be interested to know the exact mechanism of enslavement, in case he needs something like that later20:54
qwerty12_N800and keep us on the beach? :P20:54
StskeepsRST38h: you work for intel don't you, don't you get taught that stuff? ;p20:54
timelE61isUre20:54
fireunbrain wave modulation using a wifi carrier20:54
RST38hAlas, no network for the next 12 hours or so20:54
* timelE61i goes to fight itunes20:54
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RST38hSts: Naah, they started training in it starting with grade 12.20:55
RST38hs/started/start20:55
timelE61ion friday itunes ordered my ipod to delete all its music+apps20:55
GAN800Could Samsung have made their logo any bigger on their new netbooks?20:55
StskeepstimelE61i: skynet in the making20:55
RST38httg20:56
Stskeepshave a good flight20:56
RST38hGAN: They would if they were LG =)20:56
RST38hthanks20:56
GAN800Firefox fullscreen is broken. :(20:57
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GAN800Is there any way I can make this thing hide the cursor when scrolling?20:58
GAN800It's the little things that get you. :(21:01
Stskeepsyou're spoiled by good UI designers21:02
Stskeeps:P21:02
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GAN800and OSes that, you know, work.21:02
timelE61iheh21:02
Pavlovyou're in the wrong channel for those21:02
GAN800Pavlov, Maemo works.21:03
timelE61iYou need to pay a tax for working+usable21:03
GAN800Don't have any trouble with cursors or DUN in Maemo.21:03
timelE61iTypically it's a hardware tax21:03
GAN800timelE61i, I paid something to Dell, I think.21:03
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timelE61iGan: indeed dun on maemo is the only place i've had where bt works21:04
GAN800There goes the UPS21:04
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StskeepstimelE61i: PAN is a godsend when you have a phone that does it21:04
timelE61iYou know my phone. Can it and osx get along?21:04
* qwerty12_N800 is a traditionalist: DUN all the way.21:04
StskeepstimelE61i: i think i've either set that or N95 up for MacOS X once. it seemed trivial once you had the #99* (sp) stuff21:05
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timelE61iit should be21:06
GAN800timelE61i, well, DUN works great for me on Leopard.21:06
timelE61iBut we tried the #+apn21:06
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timelE61ibtw, what's your natural disaster, and when is it scheduled to abate?21:08
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timelE61i(it's snowing outside)21:10
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GAN800Variable intensity thunderstorms for the past 2 days21:10
GAN800(snow doesn't come here)21:10
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lcuktimelE61i, could you keep the snow up there please, its threatening to come down here and spoil spring!21:11
timelE61iEt-departure?21:12
atvhi frendz , can sumbudy help me regarding gsoc project "Bluetooth audio speaker" ?21:12
GAN800Dunno, too lazy to open up weather.com in MicroB21:12
timelE61iLcuk: oh, our snow likes to last into may21:12
timelE61iAtv: i gave you a nick on friday21:12
timelE61iDid you ping him?21:12
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lcukyeah i know timelE61i i suppose it makes you a better driver21:15
lcukor at least more cautious21:15
* timelE61i grumbles21:16
timelE61ii've been a passenger in a car driven by a native21:16
lcukhaha21:17
timelE61iAnd i don't think it follows21:17
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timelE61iChicago, buffalo, sure21:17
timelE61iBoston, native, probably21:17
timelE61iFinn? No.21:17
timelE61i* some finns are country finns, some are city finns, and some are female21:18
GAN800That's special. Downed oak tree, too.21:18
GAN800Power lines draped all over the parking lot.21:18
lcukyou did right putting females in a class on their own ;)21:18
Stskeepsfinnish females are interesting21:19
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timelE61isadly, as w/ most of their gender, they can be enticing21:19
lcuki was merely talking about the driving aspects, its a worldwide phenominem21:19
timelE61iThey also aren't particularly attached to matrimony21:19
timelE61iHeh21:19
lcuktrolley parks and curbsides jump out from nowhere at them!21:19
timelE61iheh21:20
* lcuk has no trim on the side of his car21:20
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timelE61ibetter than no hair on one side of your head ;)21:21
lcuknearly, she just slapped me!21:21
* LinuxCode slaps lcuk for good measure21:22
timelE61iI'm sure you deserved it...21:23
timelE61iIf only for ignoring her in favor of something shiny that she isn't wearing21:23
lcukthats pretty true21:23
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jaemhey folks22:22
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Proteoushowdy22:26
jaemdoes anybody now if the N810 works with WPA2/AES?  I'm not getting any useful errors, but the connection consistently fails since my friend switched from TKIP22:27
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ProteousI use my n810 with WPA2 AES22:30
Proteousdidn't do anything special22:30
jaem_afkhrm ... that bears some looking into, then22:31
jaem_afkthanks22:31
* jaem_afk is afk22:31
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* VDVsx football time - Portugal Vs Sweden :p22:46
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konttori__canola 2 code looks good!22:50
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* konttori__ hasn't seen that yet on fremantle extras-devel though22:51
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timeless_mbpkonttori__: i need help w/ mac.nokia.com :)23:10
konttori__what is that?23:11
timeless_mbpa gateway to a horribly confusing wiki23:12
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lfelipev6sa: hey23:14
lfelipeVDVsx: saw your email, will go through them in a bit23:15
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Stskeeps'lo wazd23:52
wazdStskeeps: hey :)23:52
wazdRST38h: moo, around?23:52
wazdRST38h: http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/0903/e6/e38a0b07729c.png23:52
Stskeepswazd: he's out flying23:53
wazdah23:53
wazdStskeeps: how's mer?)23:53
Stskeepsgetting closer to 0.11 ui finals, testing week next week23:54
Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/currentstate.png (we so need a better background for that.)23:54
Stskeeps(that's a notification, btw)23:55
lcukdoes it pulse?23:55
Stskeepsyeah23:55
Stskeepsthe icon23:55
Stskeepswazd: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/xephyr/ is some experiments Meiz did with different resolutions23:55
Stskeeps(think it's an older version of theme)23:56
jaem_afkwazd: any word on when the new ATI85 will be out?23:56
wazdStskeeps: woo :)23:57
lcukStskeeps, i saw those and its great to have context23:57
wazdjaem_afk: well, when it's done)23:57
jaem_afk:P right23:57
wazdjaem_afk: I think everything is ready and Marat is waiting for Ti82 and selection menu faceplate23:58
wazdjaem_afk: that I'm at23:58
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jaem_afknice!23:58
jaem_afkis linking support going to be in there in the future?23:58
jaem_afke.g. fake link to the NIT?23:58
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