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| jaem | b-man: Dell Latitude D630 | 00:04 |
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| jaem | ||cw: HDD | 00:04 |
| jaem | lcuk: it was used, and didn't come with any way of reinstalling anything | 00:04 |
| jaem | besides, I'm imaging it first | 00:04 |
| jaem | it's technically on extended loan, and the people I'm getting it from technically don't allow you to wipe it and install what you want, so I'll just restore from the image before I send it back | 00:05 |
| jaem | and I don't plan on using WinXP | 00:05 |
| jaem | it annoys the heck out of me | 00:05 |
| jaem | although not as much as Vista | 00:05 |
| * b-man dislikes Windows :P | 00:06 | |
| * b-man would rather go with os x :) | 00:06 | |
| jaem | ooh... squashfs-ing this 80GB image on a dual-core Atom is going to be painful :( | 00:07 |
| b-man | hm | 00:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody know how to use scratchbox2 on non-deb distro? | 00:07 |
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| b-man | vasily_pupkin: what are you running? | 00:09 |
| b-man | (os) | 00:09 |
| vasily_pupkin | b-man: gentoo | 00:09 |
| vasily_pupkin | b-man: i try to compile recent non-maemo mplayer :] | 00:09 |
| b-man | :) | 00:10 |
| * b-man searches google | 00:10 | |
| jaem | grr... I don't know where all of my ethernet cable has gone... | 00:10 |
| jaem | my friend's dorm prompted a theory that cable tangle is actually a form of nest, and if left undisturbed for long enough, will produce baby rackmount switches | 00:10 |
| jaem | so maybe my cable is running off with his... | 00:11 |
| jaem | :P | 00:11 |
| vasily_pupkin | gentoo + scratchbox/maemo = funreal | 00:12 |
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| b-man | vasily_pupkin: i can't seem to find any results :( | 00:14 |
| vasily_pupkin | yep ^_^ | 00:15 |
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| vasily_pupkin | may be anybody know how properly setup new compiler to scratchbox-1? | 00:16 |
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| * b-man wonders how crazy it would be to compile Scratchbox2 to run on the armel architecture | 00:18 | |
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| jaem | b-man: pretty crazy | 00:19 |
| b-man | hehe | 00:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | for what? :] | 00:19 |
| jaem | we need a massive cluster of N810s for compiling | 00:20 |
| b-man | on-tablet porting/developing :) | 00:20 |
| jaem | like the hh.org guys | 00:20 |
| jaem | although theirs were custom ARM servers, I believe | 00:20 |
| * b-man compiled every package in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo on his tablet | 00:20 | |
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| b-man | gcc doesn't run too bad :) | 00:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | interesting, DSP works only on old OS2006 OS2007 | 00:21 |
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| vasily_pupkin | but how about OS2008? | 00:21 |
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| vasily_pupkin | (at mplayer's dspmp3) | 00:22 |
| b-man | dsp runs in Diablo | 00:22 |
| b-man | dsp_did | 00:22 |
| * b-man looks at the proseses running on his tablet | 00:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | vasily_pupkin, DSP drops the CPU to 320MHz | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is actually slower than only CPU at 400MHz | 00:23 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hm | 00:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | i.e. [ "$DSP" -eq "peace of shit" ] ? :] | 00:26 |
| b-man | lol | 00:27 |
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| vasily_pupkin | heh. | 00:28 |
| * vasily_pupkin push some strange toolchain with gcc 4.3.3 to scratchbox-1 | 00:29 | |
| vasily_pupkin | but seems like my frankenshtein don't want to live | 00:31 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: about ARM vs. DSP clock frequencies: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/1184097560/ | 00:33 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: I used scratchbox-1 quite fine in gentoo just a year ago | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: am i odd for not giving a rats ass if it is kernel blob or closed source libs for powervr under similar scheme as the rest of 3rd party hw interfacing , as long as we get them? (kernel ko might be a problem in long term) | 00:34 |
| lcuk | no, you aren't | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | as long as we can use the provided api i dont mind if its open or closed | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes, you also hate freedom, I bet. | 00:35 |
| derf | Users generally don't give a rat's ass about IP issues. They want shit to work. | 00:35 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there should be even scratchbox ebuilds available in gentoo bugzilla | 00:35 |
| lcuk | amen | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, i am a raving anti-gnubie | 00:36 |
| suihkulokki | binary drivers in linux are eventually orthogonal with "things just working fur users" :P | 00:36 |
| jaem | suihkulokki: that's true, but getting it working is at least a first step | 00:37 |
| derf | suihkulokki: Yes, but users will care about that then, not now. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eventually, but hopefully the hardware will be more or less obsolete by that time. | 00:37 |
| jaem | I'd rather have half-working than not-working | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:37 |
| derf | I'm with GeneralAntilles. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have drivers that we can use now, then work on getting the open source later. | 00:37 |
| derf | New OMAP, new set of issues. | 00:37 |
| * suihkulokki hates half-working stuff | 00:38 | |
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| Stskeeps | the oss ko and closed source libs seems fairly sane though | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | eabi isn't going anywhere atm | 00:38 |
| derf | Uh-huh, and that's why we're still using a 2.6.18 kernel when the rest of the world is working on 2.6.30. | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | .21 | 00:39 |
| derf | Yeha, .21, sorry. | 00:40 |
| derf | Still, several years old. | 00:40 |
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| jaem | heck, all my computers run a 2.4.x kernel ;) | 00:40 |
| jaem | just kidding | 00:40 |
| luke-jr | derf: at least it isn't like the Zaurii using 2.4 :x | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | and nothing really stops us from using stlc now and re-implementing oss n8x0 things again on new kernel api | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | 2.6.28 ran on my 770. | 00:41 |
| vasily_pupkin | how about power management on kernel > 2.6.21? | 00:41 |
| derf | Right. That is the far more important bit. | 00:41 |
| derf | I wouldn't mind terribly if there was no sound on the tablet at all. | 00:42 |
| * robink wonders if you need the Boingo software to use Boingo on an N810. | 00:42 | |
| lcuk | is it possible to run a machine with multiple kernels using the virtual machine stuff we saw a couple of weeks ago | 00:42 |
| jaem | lcuk: that's not out yet | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | vasily_pupkin, maemomplayer's mp3dsp went through gstreamer, but gstreamer changed and is no longer compatible to be used that way | 00:43 |
| jaem | lcuk: and from their website, they seemed for concerned about using VMs for locking users out of DRM and such than letting us hack around with it | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast the memo mplayer porter said that here :) | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | jaem, im not tihnking specifically about their implementation, but could you "technically" do it | 00:43 |
| jaem | well, there is/was an ARM port of Xen - I don't think that really went anywhere, though | 00:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | ShadowJK: maemo mplayer still alive? O_O | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | no idea :) | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | vasily_pupkin, if you manage to compile a plain mplayer-svn, do benchmark :) | 00:45 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: it depends on your definition of word 'alive' | 00:45 |
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| ShadowJK | I know there has been lots of ARM work done, but I don't know if it was all optimizing for the newer ARM... | 00:46 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: 8 month of inactivity == coma imho | 00:46 |
| suihkulokki | it can still be re-animated at will | 00:47 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: plays videos quite fine here | 00:48 |
| lcuk | shhh, its sleeping | 00:48 |
| vasily_pupkin | yes, I even rebuild it with enca :) | 00:48 |
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| vasily_pupkin | but.. | 00:48 |
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| dystopia | good to see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ getting filled :D | 00:52 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there should be 1.0rc3 upstream mplayer release soon, and by your definition upstream is also in coma ;) | 00:54 |
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| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: 1.0rc3 _maemo_ mplayer? :) | 00:56 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: 1.0rc3 mplayer from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ | 00:56 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 00:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | i don't look at rc numbers. just svn up shows what is what ^_^ | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | hm, so is there svn activity in maemo mplayer too? :) | 00:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | no at all :] | 00:59 |
| vasily_pupkin | (at garage svn at least) | 01:00 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: not really, but end result is the same :) | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | I probably asked a few months ago, but I forgot, whether there's been any ARM improvements in upstream mplayer/libav* | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | relevant for N8x0 | 01:01 |
| ssvb | maybe just a few, there are mostly ARMv7 NEON optimizations | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:02 |
| vasily_pupkin | is omapfb significantly faster then xv? | 01:02 |
| vasily_pupkin | wow | 01:03 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: no | 01:03 |
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| vasily_pupkin | WOW | 01:03 |
| vasily_pupkin | WOOOOW | 01:03 |
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| vasily_pupkin | mplayer-svn successfuly builded with gcc 4.3.2 | 01:03 |
| vasily_pupkin | (% | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | It's faster for me, but I forgot why that was | 01:03 |
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| vasily_pupkin | ok. are there some benchs to check speed of this crap? | 01:04 |
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| ssvb | ShadowJK: yes, it's actually faster a bit, but XV is quite competitive: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26538 | 01:05 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm. maemo-mplayer: 8MB, my mplayer: 3Mb.. | 01:05 |
| vasily_pupkin | whats the hell.. | 01:05 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: XV got some optimimizations in the latest diablo updates | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | Do I have latest if I've tapped OK to the orange blinking icon.. | 01:06 |
| vasily_pupkin | fuck. I build it with GLIBC 2.7 | 01:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | (% | 01:07 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: do you use crossdev? | 01:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | I use scratchbox | 01:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | :] | 01:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm. may be if I just replace glibc with the new one nothing bad happens..? | 01:09 |
| vasily_pupkin | (% | 01:09 |
| vasily_pupkin | or just recompile mplayer... | 01:09 |
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| ssvb | just take a default compiler from SDK, it will save you from a lot of troubles | 01:10 |
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| vasily_pupkin | yes | 01:11 |
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| vasily_pupkin | and save me from building mplayer :) | 01:11 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: you are using gentoo and should know that having a stable version of gcc is important for the system health | 01:12 |
| ssvb | not all gcc releases from codesourcery are stable enough | 01:12 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: yes, i'm using gentoo, and know, that in 90% of situations it doesn't matter anymore | 01:13 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: really? | 01:13 |
| vasily_pupkin | may be with arm - another situation | 01:13 |
| vasily_pupkin | but I want to check :) | 01:13 |
| ssvb | you can read some recommendations here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Cortex_A8_ARM | 01:14 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: a recent example, the last comment is mine: http://bugs.gentoo.org/241910 | 01:15 |
| vasily_pupkin | thanks for information :) | 01:15 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: i use 32bit system, all features quite stable on it | 01:18 |
| vasily_pupkin | with any combinations :) | 01:18 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: good luck unmasking really untested gcc builds, like 4.4 snapshots ;) | 01:19 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: and x86 tends to have less bugs naturally, because it has a lot more users and is better tested | 01:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: bhaha ^) no, i don't like use *realy* unstable stuff :) | 01:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: how do you think, is it generally bad idea, to update diablo's libc to 2.8? | 01:23 |
| ssvb | don't know | 01:24 |
| jaem | does anyone know of any cli software to test a hard drive's health? This is an old computer, and the BIOS doesn't support SMART (not sure if the HDDs do) | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | jaem: someone in #KCLUG just suggests SHA1SUM | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | eg, sha1sum the drive, flush the cache, then sha1sum it again | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | and compare | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | (obviously dont' write in the meantime) | 01:26 |
| jaem | well, the issue is that they were working fine, and then GRUB started hanging after a new OS install. I haven't had the time since then to check if they're toast, or if I just messed up. I was hoping for something quick | 01:27 |
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| ssvb | jaem: mhdd is quite good diagnostics/repair tool, you can find a bootable iso image on the net | 01:28 |
| vasily_zajcev | crossing fingers. updating libc6 2.5 -> 2.8 + reboot | 01:28 |
| jaem | ssvb: thanks | 01:28 |
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| vasily_zajcev | reboot.. | 01:31 |
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| * vasily_zajcev is full of fear | 01:32 | |
| derf | Instead you should be full of beer. | 01:33 |
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| vasily_zajcev | fuck | 01:33 |
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| vasily_zajcev | it's dead ^_^ | 01:33 |
| vasily_zajcev | hint: don't update libc on maemo | 01:33 |
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| ssvb | maybe it just does not like russian snipers or internet/fido legendary fictional characters ;) | 01:36 |
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| lbt | so when I click the x icon, my app is saying "killed" any ideas? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | dont click the x | 01:38 |
| vasily_zajcev | time to go sleeping | 01:38 |
| * lbt slaps lcuk | 01:38 | |
| vasily_zajcev | tomorrow will be The Day of Reanimation | 01:38 |
| vasily_zajcev | (% | 01:38 |
| lcuk | mmm animation | 01:38 |
| lbt | revenants | 01:39 |
| robink | Probably not. | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | lbt, what is showing an error and what else happens | 01:40 |
| lcuk | saying where | 01:41 |
| lbt | nothing :( | 01:41 |
| lbt | it just says "Killed" | 01:41 |
| lcuk | what does? | 01:41 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d40094207 | 01:41 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 01:41 |
| lcuk | wheres all the rest of your log :P | 01:42 |
| lcuk | you might have to dig deep within qt to identify that error | 01:42 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d7d7fd038 | 01:43 |
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| lbt | 's rude that it | 01:43 |
| lbt | is | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | lbt try with just a core simple qt app | 01:47 |
| lcuk | hello world | 01:47 |
| lcuk | see if it has same issue | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | hello johnx! | 01:47 |
| jaem | hey, johnx | 01:48 |
| lbt | yeah - tomorrow I think - tired now... | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | me too, has a bit of a reshuffle tonight, found something nice | 01:48 |
| lcuk | had | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I'm gonna try to put together some mockups next week. | 01:57 |
| lbt | OK - I just tried removing the line around the icons | 01:57 |
| lbt | didn't work | 01:57 |
| lbt | I'm making it thinner now | 01:57 |
| lbt | also http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/help.html | 01:57 |
| lcuk | lbt shopper really would benefit from barcode :) | 02:00 |
| lbt | mmm - not convinced | 02:01 |
| lbt | but I'll try it | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it can scan as quickly as a register scanner it might work. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, is there some sort of grocery database you can use? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | exactly | 02:02 |
| lbt | that's the problem | 02:02 |
| lbt | not AFAIK | 02:02 |
| lcuk | the barcodes db has list of all items | 02:02 |
| lbt | and you'd need multiple codes... | 02:02 |
| lbt | eg "cheese" | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I think it would be great if we could find some sort of simple database | 02:02 |
| lcuk | yes, sort that after a scan | 02:03 |
| lbt | not 250grams of sainsbury cheddar (mild) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | ie just give certain codes tags | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even for barcodes, just for autocomplete while adding items. | 02:03 |
| lbt | I really am open to trying it | 02:03 |
| lbt | but I'm sceptical about the usage | 02:03 |
| lcuk | yeah lbt, it should be a fairly simple operation | 02:03 |
| lbt | what's the user story | 02:03 |
| lcuk | lbt, think beyond just shopping, the same principle with your list could do your books or your cds or your tools or your work machines etc | 02:04 |
| jaem | I missed the beginning of this - are you folks discussing scanning barcodes with the N8x0 webcam? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:04 |
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| lbt | oh yes - we use a barcode reader to read the isbn # on our books | 02:04 |
| lbt | and enter into biblico | 02:04 |
| lcuk | and some recipe programs could generate a specific list | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | they might need specific ingredients | 02:05 |
| jaem | ah - nice. One question - is there audible feedback when a code is scanned? I've tried taking pictures with it, but it's rather difficult without being able to see the screen | 02:05 |
| lbt | BTW osso-screenshot-tool seems to have vanished... | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, there's nothing yet. :) | 02:05 |
| jaem | okay... I would rank that high on my list of must-haves, when you get time | 02:06 |
| jaem | it sounds like an interesting app | 02:06 |
| jaem | with lots of possibilities | 02:06 |
| lcuk | in liqbase there is an entry point on the camera library, it can quietly and badly scan barcodes the whole time the camera is active | 02:06 |
| lcuk | its quick enough to be realtime i think (at least i can get a binary pattern out quick enough) a db lookup can't weigh that much prcessing time | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I think we need to con somebody with a recipe program into helping. | 02:08 |
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| * lcuk has a nice interface for one | 02:08 | |
| * GeneralAntilles eyes yerga. | 02:08 | |
| lbt | I think I'd support changing the XML structure so they can output a shopping list | 02:08 |
| lcuk | good idea, tracy needs cooking timers | 02:09 |
| lcuk | i see her stress every week to set her nokia phone to do multiple alarms at specified times | 02:09 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-nopageicons.png | 02:09 |
| lbt | lcuk: can you write up what she wants to do - or mock up a UI on liqbase... | 02:09 |
| lbt | hmmm | 02:10 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:10 |
| lbt | liqbase storyboard... | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I'm almost in favor of just using Nokia icons. | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I can poke at the webdesign on the website if you want me to, too. | 02:13 |
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| lbt | Nokia has a "What's Left" icon? | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, OK, fair enough. | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might take a swing at cloning the look for one, though. . . . | 02:14 |
| lbt | have you read the help? | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I glanced over it. | 02:14 |
| lbt | it explains why I did it that way :) | 02:14 |
| lbt | it's the whole 'tick to remove' | 02:14 |
| lbt | which is the what's left | 02:14 |
| lbt | and | 02:14 |
| lbt | the stylus is about writing a list | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the dark blue dividers are very distracting on the eye | 02:16 |
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| lbt | Denise likes them - they were her idea | 02:16 |
| lcuk | i cannot quickly glance down the items because my eyes cant follow | 02:17 |
| lbt | I think they need toning down a touch | 02:17 |
| lbt | this is the very first cut on the visual side though | 02:18 |
| lcuk | just do them with a slight difference instead of as much as it goes now - or is there a view to just remove the groups | 02:18 |
| lbt | I'm happy to change any/all of it | 02:18 |
| lbt | they're optional | 02:18 |
| lcuk | well thats fine then, i would just remove em | 02:18 |
| lbt | Preferences->Show Category Headings | 02:18 |
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| lbt | when you have 'biscuits' | 02:18 |
| lbt | and wonder if you should be in the cat aisle or the chocolate aisle | 02:19 |
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| lbt | you'll understand | 02:19 |
| lbt | :D | 02:19 |
| lbt | *that* is why they are there! | 02:19 |
| lbt | for real - happened way too often | 02:19 |
| rshortt | Hi guys, I just posted my N800 for sale if anyone's interested: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=160321512986 | 02:19 |
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| Proteous | no one is going to buy it for $800.00 | 02:25 |
| Proteous | gesh | 02:25 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: did I say yes re website - again, happy for input :) First cut and all that. I want it included in the app too in case that influences anything. | 02:26 |
| lbt | anyhow I've posted up a -devel release which should be ready for the morning | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I look at it, though lcuk still hasn't implemented the design I did for him. :P | 02:26 |
| lcuk | i oculdnt add anything to the page without it breaking :'( | 02:27 |
| lcuk | its not my fault i use notepad to edit html | 02:27 |
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| lbt | I'd like the web page to reflect the application look eventually - so maybe I should get some help doing that first? | 02:27 |
| lbt | if you feel like sketching out visual ideas I'd appreciate it. | 02:28 |
| lbt | I'd like to stick with svg - the inkscape svg is in the source tarball I upload in src/data/list.svg | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | :shudder: | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just tell me what to add and I'll do it. <_< | 02:30 |
| lbt | Qt can use svg and I'd like some nice touch effects like zoom in the future... | 02:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, have a look at inkface, its an svg ui builder :D | 02:33 |
| sisto1 | did nokia just leave us on the dark on the mobile world congress? | 02:34 |
| sisto1 | *in | 02:34 |
| lbt | 'k night all | 02:35 |
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| Addison | Hey guys! Got a real quick question if someone can answer it for me. :) | 08:23 |
| Addison | In file manager, if you click on a file it doesn't know what to do with, how can I add an additional application where it states "Select an application from the list to open file" | 08:24 |
| Addison | Because the one I would like to use isn't in the list. | 08:24 |
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| ukki | Addison: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757 | 08:32 |
| Addison | Thank you ukki! | 08:32 |
| Addison | Oh dear lord ukki, that looks incredibly confusing for me. Do you have it installed already? | 08:36 |
| ukki | no | 08:37 |
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| Addison | I wanted to test a theory about highlighting a ton of .prc and .pdb files and opening them up with Garnet VM. The desktop windows version lets you do this, just wondering if it was the same for the handheld one. | 08:39 |
| Addison | That way you wouldn't have to install them one by one. | 08:39 |
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| ukki | does it accept command line parameters? | 08:41 |
| Addison | I wouldn't know. Sorry. | 08:42 |
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| ukki | i haven't tried it so can't help you there | 08:43 |
| ukki | but you could try something like: /usr/bin/gvm --help in xterm (not sure what the correct binary is though) | 08:44 |
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| jaem | hello folks | 08:48 |
| jaem | I've been trying to compile E17 for b-man's Ubuntu, with neatojone's original DEB... | 08:49 |
| jaem | and it keeps erroring out, saying the device is full | 08:49 |
| jaem | however, the only full device according to df is /mnt/initfs, which makes little sense to me | 08:49 |
| jaem | I doublechecked, and the mmc is mounted at /mnt/jaunty, not just /mnt (which I could see causing problems) | 08:50 |
| jaem | any ideas? | 08:50 |
| Addison | I'm not seeing a help file there ukki... | 08:52 |
| Addison | http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/755/screenshot2009031401484.png | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | /tmp full, and too small, k | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | jaem | 08:52 |
| jaem | okay... how do I increase the size? Come to think of it, I've never actually looked into how /tmp is handled | 08:54 |
| jaem | never mind... found it | 08:54 |
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| jaem | never mind... I didn't :P | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | compile within junty | 09:00 |
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| Myrtti | COFFEE | 09:01 |
| Myrtti | word of today | 09:01 |
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| StsN800 | definately | 09:05 |
| jaem | sts: I was doing so | 09:10 |
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| jaem_afk | sts: is there anything else I'm doing wrong? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_afk: compiling on device would be one i guess :P | 09:51 |
| jaem_afk | well, yes, but I was turned off by the list of things that didn't work right in the precompiled version, and the note that neatojones wasn't going to maintain the packages | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | but are you actually inside jaunty when compiling? | 09:51 |
| jaem_afk | however justified that may be | 09:51 |
| jaem_afk | yes, I am | 09:52 |
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| jaem_afk | I cp'd the DEB into the chroot, and ran the install/compile from within the chroot environment | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and that's the problem :P | 09:52 |
| jaem_afk | okay, okay - I'll try the pkgs | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | you want to do it while -booted into- jaunty | 09:54 |
| jaem_afk | Oh... | 09:54 |
| jaem_afk | ah, that would actually make /sense/ | 09:55 |
| jaem_afk | lol | 09:55 |
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| vasily_pupkin | yeah. i repair it | 10:03 |
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| vasily_pupkin | crap. mplayer from upstream runs awfully | 10:50 |
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| udovdh | hello | 11:05 |
| udovdh | is gypsy in maemo? | 11:05 |
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| udovdh | if so: does it enable the gps in the n810? | 11:05 |
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| udovdh | anybody awake? | 11:08 |
| joyrider | i am but don't know answer ;) | 11:09 |
| lcuk | udovdh, never heard of it but perhaps google will know | 11:10 |
| udovdh | it sort of like gpsd | 11:10 |
| udovdh | but different | 11:10 |
| udovdh | a replacement | 11:10 |
| udovdh | fremantle etc | 11:10 |
| udovdh | for building gypsy for n810 we need this patch http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729 | 11:11 |
| lcuk | no matter how much you try to describe it it wont magically enter my memory, go look yourself | 11:11 |
| udovdh | but the patch expects a header file that is no longer in libgpsbt | 11:11 |
| udovdh | of my OE environment | 11:12 |
| udovdh | so I am looking for a pre-built deb | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | libgpsbt-dev maybe? | 11:14 |
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| udovdh | Stskeeps, no, that package only gives me a gpsbt.h | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 11:25 |
| udovdh | with no function like the ones I search | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | look for it in the older releases? | 11:25 |
| udovdh | I am bould to the openembedded environment for now | 11:26 |
| udovdh | and there is not many releases | 11:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | is gypsy better than minigpsd? | 11:26 |
| udovdh | see http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/attachment.cgi?id=447 for the patch | 11:26 |
| udovdh | dunno | 11:26 |
| udovdh | but it shouldn't leak | 11:26 |
| udovdh | be quick | 11:26 |
| RST38h | isnt minigpsd written in python | 11:26 |
| udovdh | use few resources | 11:26 |
| udovdh | and run on the n810 | 11:26 |
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| udovdh | i.e.: enable the gps, wait for a fix and relay the nmea data | 11:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 11:27 |
| udovdh | now one cna use gpsd and libgpsbt/mgr to enable the gps | 11:27 |
| udovdh | but the cleanest solution for the n810 is what we are looking for | 11:27 |
| udovdh | if there is a simple way to enable the gps from the application (navit) | 11:27 |
| udovdh | that could be fine as well | 11:27 |
| udovdh | but then other apps have difficulty to share the data? | 11:28 |
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| udovdh | so: osso-gpsd works (with libgpsbt/gpsmgr) | 11:28 |
| udovdh | I cannot build gypsy with OE for n810 because gpsctl.h is missing | 11:28 |
| udovdh | anlternatives welcome | 11:29 |
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| vasily_pupkin | minigpsd written on C | 11:32 |
| RST38h | ah | 11:32 |
| RST38h | shouldnt be too bad then | 11:32 |
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| vasily_pupkin | but status bar, and other crap - with python :D | 11:33 |
| RST38h | meh | 11:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | ye. extrem #2: reinstalling xserver..... | 11:34 |
| udovdh | vasily_pupkin, status bar? | 11:34 |
| udovdh | we just need a daemon | 11:35 |
| udovdh | it is in maemo? | 11:35 |
| udovdh | so I cna install easily? | 11:35 |
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| vasily_pupkin | udovdh: em? | 11:35 |
| udovdh | it can enable the gps on the n810? | 11:35 |
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| udovdh | em> | 11:35 |
| udovdh | ? | 11:35 |
| vasily_pupkin | udovdh: hm. i dunno what it doing, but I can use it with maemo mapper :) | 11:36 |
| udovdh | I uninstalled mapper because we have navit | 11:36 |
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| vasily_pupkin | i couldn't set up navit+minigpsd | 11:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | seems like gpsd is hardcoded dep in navit | 11:37 |
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| vasily_pupkin | i'll write bug report to navit team in sunday, or later | 11:37 |
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| udovdh | vasily_pupkin, not so hardcoded | 11:49 |
| udovdh | it depends on how you build navit | 11:49 |
| udovdh | and we're looking into alternatives | 11:49 |
| udovdh | so trac tickets | 11:49 |
| udovdh | and patches | 11:49 |
| udovdh | and suggestions welcome | 11:49 |
| udovdh | see #navit | 11:49 |
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| udovdh | http://trac.navit-project.org/ | 11:50 |
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| udovdh | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 | 11:50 |
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| vasily_pupkin | anybody know, where is microb-engine svn? | 12:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | i found only /debian | 12:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | O_o | 12:21 |
| thux | hi, something strange, irssi works well, but screen irssi doesn't loud backspace key? (diablo n800) | 12:23 |
| thux | some screen terminal thing? | 12:25 |
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| lcukx41 | mmmmmmmmm blt | 12:38 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: has lcukx41 faked your name? | 12:40 |
| lcukx41 | thopiekar: why would a fake me come in talking about blt | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | jake is on my big pooter, just a mo | 12:43 |
| udovdh | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg09524.html | 12:43 |
| udovdh | where can I find info on liblocation? | 12:43 |
| lcuk | lcukx41 is me | 12:44 |
| thopiekar | :P | 12:44 |
| * lcuk hates vnc and is being shouted at | 12:44 | |
| lcukx41 | jake said "dad im trying to play beebies" | 12:44 |
| lcukx41 | thanks thopiekar for gettin me in trouble | 12:45 |
| thopiekar | chill lcuk it was just a mistake.. sry :) | 12:46 |
| lcukx41 | lol thankfully now i restored his window he carried on playing | 12:47 |
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| lcukx41 | we know the palm pre replaces the older stuff, but can you still run the older stuff in with the pre | 12:57 |
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| lcukx41 | grrrr its getting to be a lottery whether the device will survive the night | 12:59 |
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| Corsac | mpf, the address search is maemo mapper is painful | 13:08 |
| Corsac | it keeps saying “invalid address” | 13:08 |
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| lcukx41 | have we run out of credits for the irc chan | 13:57 |
| lcukx41 | saturday mornings are usually active | 13:57 |
| StsN800 | mm | 13:58 |
| StsN800 | im in a car on way south atm | 13:58 |
| lcukx41 | is mrs sts driving? | 13:59 |
| udovdh | and how is the connection? | 13:59 |
| StsN800 | lcukx41, yeah | 14:00 |
| StsN800 | udovdh, not complaining atm | 14:00 |
| udovdh | but technology-wise? | 14:01 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 14:01 | |
| StsN800 | udovdh, 3g tethered to tablet through my SE phone | 14:01 |
| udovdh | ah. I see... | 14:02 |
| udovdh | not bad | 14:02 |
| StsN800 | have a decent data plan so | 14:02 |
| StsN800 | it's normally worse in train | 14:03 |
| lcukx41 | best data plan of all is using someone elses 3g phone :D | 14:03 |
| * lcukx41 gets Myrtti a coffee | 14:03 | |
| StsN800 | hehe | 14:04 |
| lcukx41 | StsN800: how long have you been driving for? | 14:04 |
| StsN800 | lcuk, an hour or so | 14:04 |
| lcukx41 | excellent :D wind your missus up, with your straightest face, look over at her and be all concerned and go "shit!!!! i left [something important] on" | 14:05 |
| Corsac | I left my n800 on! | 14:06 |
| Corsac | no wait, | 14:06 |
| lcukx41 | lol | 14:06 |
| StsN800 | had to restart tablet cos something in kernel got crashed by browser | 14:06 |
| lcukx41 | "sweetie, did you lock the front door" | 14:06 |
| Corsac | is there a way to do that without pulling off the battery? | 14:07 |
| StsN800 | lcuk, before going we checked that | 14:07 |
| lcukx41 | lol StsN800 still worth puttin a few minutes of wondering in | 14:07 |
| lcukx41 | im gonna make a robot one day to patrol and send results back | 14:08 |
| lcukx41 | "c is for cookie, thats good enough for me" | 14:11 |
| lcukx41 | "b is for bacon, thats good enough for ME" | 14:11 |
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| lcukx41 | is m5 keeping most of its apps from m4, ie skype? | 14:25 |
| StsN800 | no clue | 14:26 |
| slonopotamus | StsN800, hi. how's mer going? tried linux-omap kernel? | 14:27 |
| StsN800 | slonopotamus, working on ui stuff atm | 14:27 |
| slonopotamus | StsN800, ah, right. you showed screenshots a couple of weeks ago | 14:28 |
| StsN800 | saw the lwn and linuxdevices article? | 14:28 |
| slonopotamus | nope. on whhat topic? | 14:29 |
| StsN800 | on mer | 14:30 |
| StsN800 | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4893289864.html | 14:32 |
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| slonopotamus | 'The most recent release, Mer 0.9, runs Linux kernel 2.6.28 and ships with a working Hildon desktop environment, writes Hillis.' | 14:34 |
| slonopotamus | really? | 14:34 |
| StsN800 | some factual errors in lwn article | 14:34 |
| StsN800 | he tried the vmdk, which does have 2.6.28.. | 14:35 |
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| lbt | anyone else here doing anything with Qt on diablo? | 15:36 |
| lbt | I have a tiny test case I'd like runnig - needs a Qt capable build-env though... | 15:36 |
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| vasily_pupkin | argh | 15:39 |
| vasily_pupkin | microb-engine is unbuildle | 15:39 |
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| ppires | hi all. i just received a new n810 with the latest diablo updates and maemo mapper. when i run maemo mapper the gps does not turn on by itself. but if i use "map" the gps goes up and i can use maemo mapper. any hint? | 15:50 |
| ppires | tried google, but it was a bit inconclusive | 15:50 |
| tank-man | you want it to automatically turn on the gps or you want to be able to turn it on? | 15:51 |
| ppires | i want maemo mapper to be able to, and to turn it on when i "enable gps" | 15:52 |
| tank-man | perhaps maemo mapper remembers that on/off state from last time | 15:53 |
| ppires | nop | 15:53 |
| ppires | it can't connect to gpsd daemon because it's not running | 15:54 |
| ppires | but if i start "map" the daemon is started | 15:54 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: what kind of audio decoder did you use with upstream mplayer? have you compiled mplayer with right optimization options (ex. hardware floating point support enabled)? | 16:05 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: for XV output, have you also disabled colorkey? | 16:06 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: yes, i try several variations | 16:06 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: i can mail this package if you want | 16:06 |
| ssvb | no, I definitely don't have time to test it :) | 16:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | ^_^ | 16:07 |
| ppires | how can i use my n810 internal gps with maemo mapper? | 16:07 |
| ssvb | but the idea is that the difference should be really minimal | 16:07 |
| ppires | gpsd daemon is not running | 16:07 |
| vasily_pupkin | 1:0 - microb-engine leads | 16:07 |
| ppires | and /dev/pgps doesn't existe | 16:07 |
| ssvb | mplayer has not progressed that much since rc1 for the commonly used codecs for ARM11 | 16:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: may be. but looks like problems in xv | 16:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | i rebuild xomap server, and may be have another try | 16:09 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: it can be also a problem with audio decoder, you you use mp3 audio, you can try '-ac ffmp3' option to use fixed point decoder | 16:09 |
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| vasily_pupkin | interesting idea | 16:09 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: have you tried options for XV from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26538 ? | 16:09 |
| vasily_pupkin | yes | 16:10 |
| ssvb | ok | 16:10 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: aha, I remember that maemo mplayer also has some patches for XV output code, that could be the reason why upstream works so bad out of the box | 16:11 |
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| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: and of course, these patches were rejected upstream :) | 16:11 |
| vasily_pupkin | crap | 16:12 |
| vasily_pupkin | ^_^ | 16:12 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody know, how ofthen microb-engine from garage build releases? | 16:14 |
| thopiekar | good evening I tried to build libsndfile in extras builder but got that message: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/libsndfile_1.0.17-4maemo0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt I really have no clue why this fails, because dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa has worked well on sb1 m.diablo before well | 16:20 |
| lbt | is ogg listed as a builddep? | 16:22 |
| thopiekar | no.. | 16:22 |
| lbt | :) | 16:22 |
| vasily_pupkin | svu: are you svu from L.O.R.? :) | 16:22 |
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| b-man|sick | :P | 16:23 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: with -ac ffmp3 it don't work at all | 16:23 |
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| thopiekar | I didn't created the (debain) files myself.. I just get everything by apt-get source libsndfile :P | 16:23 |
| lbt | you may need to tweak them | 16:23 |
| thopiekar | k thanks | 16:24 |
| RockyDd | can I install cvs in n810? I didn't find the pkg | 16:24 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: and with xv - artefacts like with old versions of vdpau | 16:24 |
| lbt | and your local build env probably has ogg so you never notice | 16:24 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: ok, then something sounds to be completely broken, I would recommend recompiling it with gcc 3.4 and -O2 optimizations options just to check if these are not compiler bugs showing up | 16:25 |
| thopiekar | lbt: I would need libogg0-dev.. right? | 16:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: heh, may be next week. too many compilations for today :] | 16:26 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: at least this is what maemo mplayer is using and it works more or less reliable (downgrade to -O2 is needed) | 16:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | and i couldn't build microb-engine at all :( | 16:27 |
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| lbt | thopiekar: sounds right | 16:27 |
| thopiekar | k thanks again lbt :) | 16:28 |
| lbt | libogg-dev | 16:28 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: i build maemo player and mplayer with same debian dir :] | 16:28 |
| lbt | apt-cache search libogg | 16:28 |
| thopiekar | oh yes :P the dependency for the bin is called libogg0.. | 16:29 |
| thopiekar | :) | 16:29 |
| vasily_pupkin | maemo mplayer by the way working perfectly for now | 16:29 |
| thopiekar | on? | 16:29 |
| thopiekar | vasily_pupkin ^ | 16:29 |
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| thopiekar | fremantle? | 16:32 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there is at least one thing justifying upgrade: seeking does not work well in flv files in maemo mplayer (as it is based on mplayer rc1) | 16:34 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeah, thats why i try to build recent version | 16:35 |
| RockyDd | so, no cvs for n810? | 16:35 |
| vasily_pupkin | RockyDd: you can build it | 16:35 |
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| RockyDd | oh, Why no that? It too old? | 16:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | there are thousands packages missing for maemo .. :] | 16:37 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: there should be also Bundyo's build of mplayer based on one of the post-rc2 SVN snapshots with maemo related patches applied to it | 16:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 16:37 |
| RockyDd | ok, got it thanks | 16:38 |
| ssvb | vasily_pupkin: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231 | 16:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: i don't find sources there | 16:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | fsck ) | 16:39 |
| Myrtti | *stabbitystabbitystab* | 16:39 |
| Myrtti | *prod* | 16:40 |
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| Robot101 | :S | 16:41 |
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| vasily_pupkin | ssvb: building ... ._. | 16:46 |
| joyrider | can anyone explain me how to create a deb package for maemo i keep finding sites and howto's telling me stuff like you should have a configure file if not make it happen which aint very helpfull. (i have never done this before). All i have atm is the (simple) makefile and all the files my project needs | 16:49 |
| joyrider | it compiles and the binary runs fine on the n810 | 16:50 |
| Robot101 | joyrider: its just a debian package, so any debian packaging intro you find is also applicable | 16:50 |
| Robot101 | joyrider: you don't need a ./configure script, the debian/rules file can just invoke make | 16:50 |
| joyrider | ok | 16:50 |
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| vasily_pupkin | qwerty12_N800: hi | 17:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | qwerty12_N800: I just read http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18955 | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi vasily_pupkin | 17:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | what is last your mplayer svn build? | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it was done using Bundyo's work | 17:21 |
| vasily_pupkin | i just build mplayer from Bundyo's sources, but it from 03-2008 -- i.e. 1 year old :) | 17:22 |
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| vasily_pupkin | i try to use patch with recent svn trunc, but, as expected, too many rejs | 17:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man I hate DD-WRT | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't have the energy to switch my router to Tomato, though. :( | 17:23 |
| lcuk | use adhoc :p | 17:23 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wishes any of his three routers supported DD-WRT so I could pass judgement :p | 17:24 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you need to take up a hobby to relieve your frustration | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'm not going to comment on that, all I'm going to say is that I'm traveling to UK on Monday. | 17:25 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | you can fill out the blanks from there | 17:26 |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: really ought to check what OSes his HW runs before buying them... | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, the boy buys WinMob products. . . . | 17:28 |
| * lbt shuddders | 17:28 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 sulks :p | 17:28 | |
| * lbt runs X-Wrt | 17:29 | |
| lbt | but not in ad-hoc mode | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and lcuk can't be arsed to buy a freaking router. | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're a sad bunch. ;) | 17:30 |
| lbt | saturday afternoon and the suns out - we should be out playing... | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Morning still here. | 17:30 |
| lbt | heh - you've got lunch to come then :) | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imma get mediaserv going on my "new" 1.8GHz G5 then go to lunch. | 17:31 |
| lbt | G5.... | 17:31 |
| * lbt shudders | 17:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Helluva lot better than some shitty Dell. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: free. | 17:32 |
| lbt | ah | 17:32 |
| lbt | but is it? | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | My primary machine is a dual-2.5GHz G5. :) | 17:32 |
| lbt | the ties that bind... | 17:32 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:37 |
| Macer | my 2nd core seems to idle a lot more than the 1st one | 17:37 |
| lcuk | gan, speak for yourself about bein sad - im only up here cos the water fight ended with broken glasses :D | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, not enough stuff setup to take advantage of two. | 17:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders why "gan" got popular. | 17:39 | |
| derf | It's short. | 17:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | derf, yeah, but "GA" is shorter and more accurate. ;) | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | until you come in the chan with GAN800 | 17:52 |
| lcuk | something you yourself came up with | 17:52 |
| derf | Well, the N goes with the 800, not the GA. | 17:52 |
| derf | But you illustrated the next point I was going to make. | 17:52 |
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| fuzzybunny | hi | 17:56 |
| fuzzybunny | when in n-gage gonna be on the n800? | 17:58 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: i know but i figured some things would thread over | 17:59 |
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| Macer | figured it would be more of a kernel level thing | 17:59 |
| fuzzybunny | hi, again | 18:00 |
| fuzzybunny | you'll have to let me in | 18:00 |
| fuzzybunny | bye again | 18:01 |
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| fuzzybunny | sry i had to do that | 18:06 |
| fuzzybunny | ill be nice now | 18:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /IGNORE fuzzybunny | 18:06 |
| fuzzybunny | no pleez | 18:06 |
| fuzzybunny | i stop now | 18:06 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: btw, I feel like that bear atm, with the exception that I don't do primes, I do regexps | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, i just did a search for prime bear - i imagine you mean the bear that shits prime numbers. a regexp sounds like diahria | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I thought you knew that I was talking about it since you commented that I need a hobby to relieve my frustration after I posted http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/9a21f277438f43529d6b45047285aadb :-P | 18:24 |
| luke-jr | regexps ftw | 18:24 |
| lcuk | lol no, that would be a finnish occupation :p | 18:24 |
| Myrtti | yeah, and about regexps... http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/8adef5f70c3b43769f560251fe368bab | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | back to work... | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, did you actually finish your regexp or does it return "zzzZZZZZ" for some more complex inputs? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | nm i posted on jaiku | 18:28 |
| joyrider | god damn it been messing around whole afternoon trying to create a deb package when i finally manage to get one and want to install it on my N810 it says package is incompatible :/ | 18:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Make the section user/* | 18:30 |
| joyrider | lemme check | 18:30 |
| lcuk | joyrider, debian packaging is a black art | 18:30 |
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| Myrtti | joyrider: black magic, pentagrams and some offerings to the almighty Tux is required | 18:32 |
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| joyrider | yeah seems like it :) | 18:33 |
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| joyrider | hmm think i might have placed the dependencies wrong | 18:35 |
| joyrider | http://pastebin.com/m1807fab2 <- is the control file do any of you see to many or wrong dependencies ? (it's just a game that uses SDL_mixer, sdl_gfx, sdl_image, SDL | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | debian packaging came round for linux itself, how were things done in unix | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | or other systems | 18:38 |
| * lcuk cant remember how the amiga did app installs or whether everything ran from its own folder | 18:38 | |
| joyrider | it says it can't find the gcc and linux headers thing | 18:38 |
| lcuk | "the linux headers thing" sounds important | 18:38 |
| joyrider | yeah but | 18:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: user/games; not user/*. Also, keep "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}" but remove the rest of the Depends | 18:39 |
| joyrider | ah ok | 18:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles chalks up strike 2 for fuzzybunny. | 18:39 | |
| wnd | lcuk, some applications used their own installer, some used c:Installer and some worked from any directory as-is | 18:39 |
| * lcuk is expecting to release about 10 packages soon | 18:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I blame penguinbait for adding a stupid WordPress IRC client. | 18:40 |
| lcuk | wnd, were any of them as complex (and hence powerful?) as debs ? | 18:40 |
| wnd | far from that | 18:40 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, irc idiots predate penguinbait | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, he's encouraging them. | 18:41 |
| lcuk | nahhh we are encouraging them by having a channel | 18:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can't stop them, but the least you can do is not lower the barrier to entry so low as to make it easy. | 18:41 |
| wnd | on the other hand c:Installer used lisp-like language and allowed running abritary programs, not unlike DEBIAN/{post,pre}{inst,rm} | 18:41 |
| lcuk | and since hes the first eejit ive seen in a while id say the S/N is still quite high | 18:41 |
| lcuk | apart from when Myrtti starts talking about shitting bears :P | 18:42 |
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| * Myrtti looks at the /bans and laughs | 18:44 | |
| Myrtti | funny | 18:44 |
| lbt | regexps? | 18:44 |
| luke-jr | nope | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | you've got five bans... | 18:45 |
| lcuk | are you our overlord Myrtti | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | I'd say you live a happy, trollfree life ;-) | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | #ubuntu has had over 300 | 18:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I blame Gentoo fanboys :p | 18:46 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: any icons yet? | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, well, we went a looong time without any ops. | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, now that we have ops, most of us are too lazy/slow to bother with aggressive banning. | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, we don't get the traffic other distro channels get. | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, let me get back to my real machine. :P | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, sometime next week. | 18:47 |
| * Myrtti squints at the access list | 18:47 | |
| lbt | ok - I won't hold up the next release | 18:47 |
| Myrtti | my god. I've IRC'd too long | 18:47 |
| fireun1 | no such thing | 18:48 |
| luke-jr | does the stock N810 OS support OpenGL? | 18:48 |
| lbt | no | 18:48 |
| lbt | err | 18:48 |
| lbt | not hardware anyway | 18:48 |
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| luke-jr | software? | 18:49 |
| lbt | depends what you mean by stock :) | 18:49 |
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| lbt | you can get libraries to render GL | 18:50 |
| lbt | I think Qt supports it | 18:50 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, out of the box its got no normal mesa opengl stuff | 18:50 |
| lcuk | it *can* be built but its never really been bothered with - its easier in easy-debian from qole and it will be easier in mer (sane dev env) | 18:50 |
| lcuk | theres something called tinygl which is a core basic baseline api compatible opengl library designed for small devices which does build and run nicely on the tablet but its utility is limited | 18:51 |
| lcuk | and as lbt says qt probably has it | 18:52 |
| Myrtti | ok, energy drink consumed, time to move to alcoholic debugging drinks | 18:53 |
| z4chh | hello lcuk, how is liqbase development going | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | i need to start on my vodka stash, i got a litre for free \o/ | 18:54 |
| nomis | will it now be renamed to "liquorbase"? | 18:54 |
| lcuk | quite nicely actually | 18:54 |
| lcuk | no lol | 18:54 |
| z4chh | :p | 18:55 |
| lbt | Myrtti: did you say you were doing regexps? | 18:55 |
| lcuk | i have been moving stuffs around and sorting things out | 18:55 |
| lcuk | its coming into shape nicely :) | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | lol, I was going to offer Bundyo a bugzilla product but I guess not. . . . | 18:58 |
| Myrtti | lbt: sssshhhhh | 18:59 |
| GAN800 | qole's Tear repository? . . . | 18:59 |
| lbt | s+h+ | 18:59 |
| * GAN800 sighs. | 19:00 | |
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| Myrtti | nom | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I expect you to try to direct these things in the right direction when I'm not paying attention. :P | 19:02 |
| * qwerty12_N800 reports for duty :p | 19:03 | |
| * lbt settles back to watch | 19:03 | |
| * GeneralAntilles beats DD-WRT with a stick. | 19:04 | |
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| Myrtti | so, where was I | 19:04 |
| * lbt casually wanders around smoothly transitioning between both his X-Wrt APs | 19:04 | |
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| lbt | Myrtti: saying "nom" instead of "niii" | 19:05 |
| thopiekar | NICK thopiekar.vm | 19:06 |
| thopiekar | :| | 19:06 |
| lbt | 'lo thopiekar - did the deps work? | 19:06 |
| Myrtti | lbt: no, I was debugging foo=`grep -m 1 -e "=$" ${fpath}/${bar000}|sed -e 's/^\(=* *\)\([ 0-9]*\.*[0-9]*\) *\([^=|>|<|{|}\||#]*\)[ =]*/\3/'` | 19:07 |
| thopiekar1 | yes :) | 19:07 |
| luke-jr | Myrtti: sed isn't portable | 19:07 |
| lbt | what you aiming for? | 19:07 |
| thopiekar1 | libogg-dev.. | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | actually it does what it's supposed to, but the loops bork it | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | luke-jr: if it works in theory, it'll suffice for me for the time being | 19:08 |
| thopiekar1 | and it was the logical one to take for that :) | 19:08 |
| thopiekar1 | thanks again for the tip lbt :P | 19:08 |
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| lbt | Myrtti: what you aiming for? what's the input and what are you trying to get? | 19:10 |
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| * GeneralAntilles can see that building mplayer is also going to bring in every imaginable dependency on the planet. | 19:10 | |
| lbt | or are you just hacking through it for fun :) | 19:10 |
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| Myrtti | ah, now I get it, I need to call that function again to reset the foo | 19:11 |
| * thopiekar is working on mixxx, to mix and scratch music on his tablet ( lbt ) :P | 19:13 | |
| lbt | ooh - mixxx is nice | 19:13 |
| lbt | isn't the audio HW a bit limited though? | 19:13 |
| thopiekar | :) the only thing I worry about is the cpu-speed and the 3d bindings in the gui.. | 19:14 |
| thopiekar | don't know.. time for a test :P | 19:14 |
| lbt | 3d? I thought it was all svg | 19:14 |
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| thopiekar | the waveform in the gui has callbacks to opengl.. | 19:15 |
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| lbt | ewww | 19:15 |
| thopiekar | thats why my wave form is buggy on gnome + compiz.. | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | :) | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | on my pc.. | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | almost the same thing with other gui's using ogl like google-earth, etc.. | 19:17 |
| lbt | yes | 19:17 |
| lbt | I got a half decent GPU to use compiz | 19:17 |
| lbt | and then found it was too conflicted | 19:17 |
| lbt | fun occasionally and I'm sure it'll get sorted. | 19:18 |
| thopiekar | before 2 weeks I switched to x64 and it seems that these gui's are not as much blinking as on x32.. | 19:18 |
| thopiekar | isn't there a way to get a rid of that | 19:19 |
| lbt | ? | 19:19 |
| thopiekar | of these blinking fields, where ogl is used... | 19:20 |
| lbt | oh, Qt is built with -no-opengl luke-jr | 19:20 |
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| luke-jr | … | 19:20 |
| lbt | it needs DRI2 | 19:20 |
| lbt | luke-jr: so no, Qt doesn't allow SW rendered opengl | 19:21 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 19:21 |
| * lbt is sad | 19:21 | |
| * thopiekar too | 19:21 | |
| lbt | thopiekar: and DRI2 isn't written into the kernel yet AFAIK, never mind in the drivers/Xorg | 19:21 |
| lcuk | how do you manage the funky qt rendering effects without gl then | 19:22 |
| lcuk | ie coverflow type things | 19:22 |
| lbt | which ones lcuk? | 19:22 |
| lbt | all rastered | 19:22 |
| lbt | my scrolling is just rastered in the normal library | 19:22 |
| lbt | in fact I think we're using a slow renderer | 19:23 |
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| lbt | and they're trying to switch to a better one. | 19:23 |
| lcuk | i dont think its slow, or at least when it was designed it wasnt slow: it was for desktop machines with 100x moar power | 19:23 |
| lbt | relatively speaking | 19:23 |
| lbt | the current renderer in Qt4.4 is the default one | 19:24 |
| lbt | there is an optimised one that doesn't work fully yet | 19:24 |
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| lbt | IIRC | 19:24 |
| lcuk | well the entire core of qt is 32bit and all widgets built ontop expect that so its gonna be a mammoth undertaking to try to get it all super rapid | 19:25 |
| lcuk | there is no real fast pathway for all but the simplest of things | 19:26 |
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| lbt | not knowledgable about the guts - especially the render engines | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | ive got my eyes on a few mailing lists | 19:28 |
| sisto | you guys use dropbear or openssh? | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | openssh | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | dropbear is for my router ;) | 19:30 |
| sisto | qwerty12: why not dropbear on the n810? | 19:31 |
| sisto | is it less functional>? | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Compared to openssh, yes. | 19:31 |
| sisto | qwerty12: have you installed the server too? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | I like ssh'ing into my tablet, so yes. | 19:32 |
| sisto | ok, that's nice :) | 19:32 |
| sisto | do you enable it when you want to access or have it always running? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | I have it always running. | 19:33 |
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| sisto | qwerty12: ok thanks! | 19:33 |
| sisto | I'm actually installing dropbear cleint only first to see if it works for me... if not I will go with openssh | 19:34 |
| lcuk | the comments on slashdot regarding how bad symbian is to develop for: is it that bad to work with? | 19:35 |
| lcuk | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/14/1214244 | 19:35 |
| sisto | signing sis files is kinda lame | 19:36 |
| lcuk | what about signing sisto files? | 19:36 |
| sisto | :) | 19:36 |
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| t_s_o | is it just here or is the rss feed for fresh apps on downloads.maemo.org broken? | 19:37 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, seems it may just be the tablet rss reader, as firefox on my desktop have no issues... | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, yeah, seems OK in Safari here. | 19:40 |
| t_s_o | now to figure out why the tablet rss see it as not downloadable... | 19:42 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, my internet is going slow in sympathy of your problems | 19:56 |
| lcuk | or perhaps all the internet is being rerouted through your tablet :D | 19:56 |
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| t_s_o | ye gods, i hope not... | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | lol | 19:57 |
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| t_s_o | still, if i could get that dsp to act as a fast router... | 20:04 |
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| infobot | Hey, it's Akiyuki, the man! | 20:13 |
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| Akiyuki | That's right baby. | 20:13 |
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| joyrider | pff still not able to get a working deb file i'm in hell :p | 20:16 |
| sisto | !infobot | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, the vala package could do with an uber update. Did http://pastebin.com/f5a64db59 and it built fine in DIABLO_ARMEL | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | sisto, /msg infobot help | 20:19 |
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| mikkov__ | anybody tried the newest leafpad? | 20:19 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov__, I did, installed fine but I don't know how auto indenting works so couldn't see if it worked. But the application on the whole works brilliantly :) | 20:20 |
| vasily_pupkin | heh. emacs forever ^_^ | 20:21 |
| sisto | leafpad is cool | 20:21 |
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| sisto | very lightweight | 20:21 |
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| sisto | does it have a shortcut to insert the current date? | 20:21 |
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| mikkov__ | no, it doesn't | 20:22 |
| lcuk | sisto, on device or on linux | 20:22 |
| sisto | I use leafpad in linux but I was asking about the maemo version | 20:23 |
| * lcuk needs one of those for auto change note comments | 20:23 | |
| lcuk | ill have to make the liqbase editor do it | 20:23 |
| lcuk | mind you, then i need to port it to windows | 20:23 |
| lcuk | bbl anyway | 20:23 |
| sisto | bbl = big barrel of liquor? | 20:24 |
| sisto | :) | 20:24 |
| mikkov__ | qwerty12: auto intending is when you press enter, the new line is automatically intended same way as the old line (think coding) | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | mikkov__, aha, thanks | 20:24 |
| sisto | it's indenting | 20:25 |
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| joyrider | when building a package where should the data be placed(like images etc) so that it's included in the .Deb ? i can't seem to figure this out | 20:26 |
| sisto | dropbear sucked... I'm going for openssh client now | 20:26 |
| sisto | (actually dropbear failed to download) | 20:27 |
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| sisto | what is better mplayer or kmplayer? | 20:40 |
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| sisto | I have kmplayer in my repos... I might have to add a new repo to get mplayer | 20:40 |
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| tank-man | kmplayer can be used as a frontend to mplayer | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, they're the same thing, really. | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | kmplayer is just a front end | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer in Extras is bundled with gmplayer. | 21:04 |
| sisto | ah ok | 21:04 |
| sisto | do you prefer gmplayer or kmplayer? | 21:04 |
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| sisto | I guess kmplayer would require kde libraries which I might have to install right? | 21:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | maemo's kmplayer != kde's kmplayer | 21:05 |
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| sisto | ok thanks! | 21:07 |
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| Macer | blah | 21:08 |
| * b-man|sick feels like crap :P | 21:09 | |
| * b-man|sick was so dizzy this morning he ran into a wall | 21:13 | |
| b-man|sick | anyways... | 21:13 |
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| b-man|sick | i'm finally working on getting a new ubuntu jaunty rootstrap up - to fix some bugs from the previous one | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | b-man|sick, make a note for the future: no running when you are sick | 21:17 |
| b-man|sick | lol | 21:17 |
| lcuk | stay safe and warm in bed | 21:17 |
| b-man|sick | i was stumbling - not running XD | 21:18 |
| * rmt_ sighs as he watches his the DHL tracking of his N810 .. I'm in central Italy.. turns out the warehouse is in Marseille.. went from there to.. Leipzig! Of course, it's Saturday.. So zee German DHL guys obviously aren't working on Saturdays. | 21:18 | |
| * rmt_ is wondering is somebody has already created an app or similar to see (& cache) the conjugation of verbs.. maybe using webverbix .. | 21:19 | |
| lcuk | "* b-man|sick was so dizzy this morning he ran into a wall" <<<<<<<<<< | 21:19 |
| b-man|sick | *rolf* | 21:19 |
| * rmt_ will make good use of his device for language learning.. | 21:19 | |
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| lcuk | rmt_, just hook up the machine to irc and let it suckle from the ebb and flow of internet discussions | 21:20 |
| b-man|sick | when i mean by "run" i mean incounter | 21:20 |
| lcuk | you hit a counter, i think inwall is more apt | 21:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles takes lcuk's puns permissions away. | 21:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We've already got a punmaster and his name is not lcuk. :P | 21:22 |
| * b-man|sick hit the corner of the door frame to his bathroom XD | 21:22 | |
| * rmt_ quite likes Vala .. looking at Genie too (alternate syntax for Vala, using the same compiler) | 21:22 | |
| lcuk | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200903/safe/image1.jpg | 21:22 |
| b-man|sick | GeneralAntilles: lol | 21:22 |
| lcuk | b-man|sick, read this and learn | 21:22 |
| b-man|sick | XP | 21:23 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whos the punmaster? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | rmt_, curious | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Proteous. | 21:23 |
| * lcuk might make his own language oneday | 21:23 | |
| * lcuk doesnt recall anything particularely punny coming from Proteous | 21:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Pay better attention, then. | 21:24 |
| b-man|sick | heh | 21:24 |
| * lcuk will try | 21:24 | |
| lcuk | do we get any warning when he makes a pun? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | is there a drumroll or anything? | 21:25 |
| * Myrtti ran out of cider since she bought only two cans, sadness will ensue | 21:25 | |
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| * lcuk emails a beer to Myrtti | 21:25 | |
| Myrtti | ew | 21:25 |
| * b-man|sick gets chills, oh god | 21:25 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: hopefully not lager? | 21:25 |
| * lcuk flavors the beer with apples | 21:25 | |
| lcuk | not at all, some open source homebrew :) | 21:26 |
| Myrtti | omnomnom | 21:26 |
| Myrtti | then I can taste it | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | i would like to try making beer one day :) | 21:26 |
| * b-man|sick gets some tea | 21:26 | |
| dmz | howdy y'all, anyone here use 2 x n810 + asterisk to do video conf? | 21:27 |
| * dmz has beer ingredients in garage | 21:27 | |
| lcuk | dmz i use the default application and gtalk thingy | 21:27 |
| lcuk | it does video nicely | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | mmmm which reminds me that it's only 2 days and four hours until I get my n800 | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, are you tablet-less at the moment? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | b-man|sick, have you tried running a norton scan, it sounds like you have a virus | 21:29 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: 770 counts as something better than nothing, but less than n800 | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dmz: I remember seeing some N8x0 asterisk related stuff on iTT, may be worth a search there | 21:29 |
| lcuk | heh Myrtti what you doing with your 770 afterwards, i hope its gonna carry on living | 21:29 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: can't run numptyphysics on it | 21:29 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: either going to sell it to a workmate or use it as home automation remote | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, the OMAP2 tablets are wonderful. :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | good, they arent totally obscolete | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less obsolete than a damn 770 anyway. | 21:31 |
| Myrtti | I still love my 770 really much even still | 21:31 |
| * b-man|sick starts shaking uncontrollably, god i hate chills XP | 21:32 | |
| dmz | lcuk for default application do you mean the "internet call" app? we've gotten it to connect & we can see our own camera image but just can't see the other person | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | having n800 would give easier video calls and working numpty physics | 21:32 |
| dmz | my only wish is an n810 with 1G of ram, sigh | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | and radio | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | not that I'd use it that much, I don't ever listen to radio | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | dmz, yeah it works flawlessly when we try it here | 21:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | dmz: +1 | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | why need so much memory - what apps are you working on tablet that need it? | 21:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | ALL! | 21:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | (= | 21:33 |
| dmz | G-Talk used to have video chat function for the Nokia N 800 series but it has since been disabled :( | 21:33 |
| lcuk | seriously, which? | 21:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | try to start pidgin, browser and something else | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmz, 1GB == no battery life. | 21:34 |
| dmz | lcuk i want to be able to have > 2 apps running (map + canola2 + anything...) w/out swapping | 21:34 |
| vasily_pupkin | than open new page in browser | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, expensive as hell. | 21:34 |
| dmz | i'd pay :) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | can canola be multitasked? | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | i never saw any way to task switch :p | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmz, nobody makes a PoP that large, so Nokia would have to solder a bunch of chips to the board. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Expensive and power hungy. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | hungry* | 21:35 |
| vasily_pupkin | lcuk: good joke :) | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: home button. | 21:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~qwerty12_N800 +1 | 21:35 |
| lcuk | mind you liqbase was in the same boat \o/ | 21:35 |
| mikkov__ | GeneralAntilles: is there any info if rx-51 will have more than 128MB of ram? | 21:35 |
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| b-man|sick | it should - if it's running clutter | 21:36 |
| lcuk | dmz, how much memory does map need? i know at certain times it might increase but does it need mega buckets? | 21:36 |
| dmz | i just want to do more with it than i probably should | 21:37 |
| dmz | i want to have pidgin on, connected via bluetooth to network (cell) driving down the road listening to music and follownig map | 21:38 |
| lcuk | i remember running loads more than 2 apps in just half a meg of memory | 21:38 |
| dmz | these apps are too big though :) you ever see how much pidgin does these days! | 21:38 |
| dmz | still i wonder why we can't see each other on video | 21:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | pidgin is fat | 21:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody know good replacement? ) | 21:39 |
| konttori_ | hey, has anyone heard if the indt guys will be porting python soon to fremantle | 21:39 |
| vasily_pupkin | sometimes I use emacs-jabber :) | 21:39 |
| mikkov__ | dmz: are you using tablet to tablet video call? it should work | 21:39 |
| lcuk | konttori_, python libs and evas and edge and stuff are already in fremantle repo | 21:39 |
| lcuk | errr maybe not python | 21:39 |
| vasily_pupkin | but it isn't good some times | 21:39 |
| lcuk | my mistake | 21:39 |
| joyrider | pff i only manage to create a package with fakeroot dpkg-deb --build ./debian but with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot i get a .deb file wich doesn't include any of my data files nor my binary itself.. i'm guessing this isn't normal | 21:40 |
| dmz | yeah we're using our own asterisk box & 810 on both side | 21:40 |
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| mikkov__ | konttori: python2.5 is part of the fremantle sdk | 21:40 |
| sisto | rmt_: did you just say you're from Italy a while ago? | 21:41 |
| sisto | oh he left | 21:41 |
| konttori_ | mikkov__: but the bindings are missing to a lot of stuff. | 21:41 |
| konttori_ | is the arm version of python available somewhere? | 21:42 |
| sisto | oh no actually he didn't lol :P | 21:42 |
| konttori_ | also, e.g. gpodder is complaining in extras devel of the missing dependencies. | 21:42 |
| rmt_ | sisto, I'm in Italy, yes. | 21:42 |
| rmt_ | sisto, Not from Italy. | 21:42 |
| mikkov__ | konttori: ah so it seems. but most important python2.5-gtk2 is there | 21:43 |
| rmt_ | Youa cana tella thata I'ma nota nativea, because-a Ia don'ta type-a likea thisa: | 21:43 |
| lcuk | b-man|sick, clutter does not specifically mean more memory, you can run an extremely constrained low memory footprint 3d application and have it compelling and useful | 21:43 |
| sisto | rmt_: lol :) | 21:44 |
| sisto | my family is from Italy. in which province are you staying? | 21:44 |
| rmt_ | Umbria. | 21:44 |
| rmt_ | In Perugia atm. | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | mikkov__: yeah, but would be great if someone (indt?) could put the packages to extras devel as well. | 21:44 |
| konttori_ | e.g. if someone wants to experiement on beagleboard. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | joyrider, dunno packages irk everyone, we have a specific debmaster for maemo, jeremiah, find him in work hours | 21:44 |
| * lcuk would experiment on beagleboard if it had a touchscreen | 21:45 | |
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| sisto | never been there | 21:45 |
| sisto | my family is from Trentino | 21:45 |
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| sisto | rmt_: where are you from then? | 21:46 |
| rmt_ | Ah, zie germanso vono Italio! | 21:46 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: well, hoock up the beagleboard output to vnc, then use vnc client on your n810 and voila, you have touchscreen ;) | 21:47 |
| rmt_ | I'm Australian. But Germany has my european heart. | 21:47 |
| lcuk | yeah but i cant send xv over vnc (without finishing my quantum entanglement experiement anyway) | 21:47 |
| rmt_ | Or it could just be about the beer. ;) | 21:47 |
| sisto | ok! I don't speak Italian nor german though :) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | there is a touch module for it but it bumps the cost wayyyyyyy up | 21:48 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: ah. true enough | 21:49 |
| rmt_ | sisto, Where are you? | 21:49 |
| sisto | Uruguay | 21:49 |
| rmt_ | Italian export. :-) | 21:49 |
| rmt_ | They're good at it ... I bet the Italian food you eat there is better than the typical Italian food you get here.. at least in Umbria. ;) | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, that hack you mention (that qole described in the announce thread) is inspired, but does it send over clutter data correctly? | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | must.. refrain from repeating Homer Simpson quote | 21:50 |
| lcuk | or does it work because in scratchbox clutter is rendered onto a normal page | 21:50 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: I have no clue. I haven't tested. that was just an idea. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov__, nothing about RAM, really. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov__, unless you want to base it on what the other OMAP3 devices are shipping. | 21:51 |
| mikkov__ | how much other omap3 devices have then? | 21:51 |
| konttori_ | luck: I wonder if I just upload the source packages for a few python bindings from diablo to fremantle extras-devel, will I be able to get those compiled. | 21:52 |
| * rmt_ is going to make a good italian-style red thai curry. ;-) | 21:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov__, 128MB or 256MB depending on which version. :P | 21:52 |
| lcuk | konttori_, since we know you have a working version of the current alpha, could you make a video showing us how its meant to be - i still cant get a feel of how its meant to work or what the background animation is meant to look like or anything | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov__, Beagle and Pandora have both upgraded to 256MB. | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, the fremantle extras builder is in place i believe | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, real fast, how much RAM in the next tablet???? ;) | 21:52 |
| mikkov__ | GeneralAntilles: I really hope that rx-51 has 256MB (or more) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | you can push anything to it and it will try | 21:53 |
| sisto | rmt_: lol | 21:53 |
| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles you shouldnt ask questions like that, use reverse psychology :P | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever you do, don't tell us how much RAM is in the next tablet! | 21:53 |
| sisto | rmt_: I think Italy is the best place for italian | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: everyone knows it's all about a good bribe ;) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | moan and complain about how you heard the new tablet only has 256mb and see how much of a response you get ;) | 21:54 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: lol ;) GeneralAntilles lol ;) | 21:54 |
| mikkov__ | konttori_: I would expect that python packages will build just fine | 21:54 |
| sisto | maybe not Perugia | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, mikkov__, I tried. ;) | 21:54 |
| sisto | try Verona or Venezia | 21:54 |
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| mikkov__ | wasn't there going to be some mass build of diablo extras devel to fremantle extras-devel? | 21:56 |
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| rmt_ | sisto, The problem here is that the food is very regional. If you want good pizza, you should go to campagna.. or find a good restaurant that specialises in campagna style pizza.. lasagna's not to be found in this city at all.. Piadina's quite good, but that's only because it's made it to fast food status and it's so damn simple. | 21:56 |
| konttori_ | mikkov__: that would make a lot of sense | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov__, it was only discussed, a plan was never arrive at. | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could poke -community about it more directly. | 21:56 |
| sisto | rmt_: are you on vacation? | 21:56 |
| rmt_ | sisto, Heaven forbid if you want something spicy.. The Italians run away screaming if you add a touch of real chilli to a dish. | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how involved a process it is. | 21:56 |
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| rmt_ | sisto, Girlfriend's on student exchange here. I'm just learning the language and occupying myself in other ways. :) | 21:57 |
| sisto | rmt_: that is also true in Uruguay, we have lots of italians here. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, any clues about maemo.nokia.com or Maemo@Forum Nokia? | 21:57 |
| mikkov__ | Actually I hope that they donnt import _everything_ to fremantle exras-devel :) | 21:57 |
| sisto | rmt_: did you visit lots of places already? | 21:57 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: considering that I didn't even know those existed, I cannot give you guys any clues | 21:58 |
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| rmt_ | I thought the Germans had a problem with spices.. but at least there you can go to an Indian restaurant and, with a bit of work convincing them first, get a spicy dish. | 21:58 |
| sisto | haha | 21:58 |
| rmt_ | sisto, Unfortunately not yet. Just around Umbria, and of course Florence & Rome. | 21:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, well, they're not secrets or anything, but I haven't heard any progress reports in a while so I'm wondering if there's some sort of timeline. | 21:59 |
| sisto | Venice is lovely | 21:59 |
| rmt_ | sisto, Have you visited? | 21:59 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: you should ask kate | 21:59 |
| rmt_ | Yes.. unfortunately missed a cheap bus day-trip to Venice with the Uni here.. | 21:59 |
| sisto | yup... Venice, Verona, Rome, Milan, Trento, Florence | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com | 21:59 |
| rmt_ | Actually looking forward to going down south.. a little bit of Africa in Europe. :-) | 22:00 |
| sisto | if you go try to visit the blown glass factories | 22:00 |
| sisto | If you like those kind of things | 22:00 |
| sisto | it's fun to watch how they make it | 22:00 |
| sisto | I loved the fact that instead of buses they have boat-buses :) | 22:01 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: ok. so, it's a marketing site? I mean, you probably know more than I do | 22:01 |
| sisto | they work exactly like e bus | 22:01 |
| sisto | you get in pay the ticket and get off on your stop | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, well Nokia's moving most of its stuff off maemo.org. | 22:01 |
| konttori_ | really? | 22:01 |
| konttori_ | why? | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The user-relevant stuff is going to maemo.nokia.com and developer documentation is moving to Forum Nokia. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it easier for maemo.org and makes it easier for Nokia, I guess. | 22:02 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: o really? | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | ok, I understand the reason to move docs to forum.nokia.com | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, beta documentation is apparently still going to take shape on maemo.org. | 22:03 |
| konttori_ | and yeah, well, maemo.nokia.com is better name than tableteer | 22:03 |
| konttori_ | imho | 22:03 |
| * Myrtti wonders what the training material and reference manual are for... | 22:03 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, whoever you target it for now, a swift regexp can retarget it ;) | 22:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't really have all the details and motivations. | 22:04 | |
| lcuk | good job you are getting your practice in :P | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 22:04 |
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| Macer | anybody here have a drobo? | 22:05 |
| sisto | how do I mark a selection in the browser and copy it? | 22:06 |
| sisto | It keeps scrolling on me when I try to select | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | double-tap, drag. | 22:09 |
| sisto | GeneralAntilles: thx | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | voodoo magic! | 22:16 |
| timelE61i | yUm | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | snow! | 22:21 |
| * b-man|sick feels like passing out | 22:22 | |
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| timelE61i | You could sleep() ... | 22:23 |
| b-man|sick | nah, i want to get what i'm working on done | 22:23 |
| lcuk | or apt-get paramedic | 22:24 |
| * timelE61i struggles to climb stairs | 22:24 | |
| lcuk | timelE61i, stannah stair lift? | 22:24 |
| b-man|sick | i'm not that sick :P | 22:24 |
| timelE61i | stannah ?? | 22:25 |
| b-man|sick | ? | 22:25 |
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| * b-man|sick turns up the volume on his N800 to stay focused | 22:27 | |
| mikkov__ | stannah; | 22:28 |
| mikkov__ | http://www.stannah.com/ | 22:28 |
| Macer | seriously have to change some of my vnc settings heh | 22:28 |
| Macer | doing this over ssh is slow as hell | 22:28 |
| Macer | over my phone | 22:28 |
| b-man|sick | hmm | 22:28 |
| timeless | lcuk: http://www.apuvalineoriola.fi/default.aspx?SectionId=5450 | 22:29 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wonders how lcuk manages to watch that advert | 22:29 | |
| timeless | they don't seem to speak English | 22:29 |
| timeless | but seriously, to get to the fifth floor? | 22:29 |
| timeless | there's no room for an elevator... | 22:29 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKlJrZEODCU | 22:29 |
| lcuk | get a proper stairlift | 22:29 |
| lcuk | which advert qwerty12_N800 | 22:29 |
| lcuk | on actually stannah page? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | -y | 22:30 |
| lcuk | -l | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: the stannah one, fkn annoying to me | 22:30 |
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| timelE61i | macer: irc over phoe is fine :) | 22:30 |
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| timeless | (some typos expected) | 22:31 |
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| florian | hi all | 22:33 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hi! | 22:34 |
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| thopeiakr-vm | hi there.. could someone tell me something about gfortran? | 22:38 |
| thopeiakr-vm | I would need it for fftw3>libsamplerate>mixxx ... | 22:39 |
| mikkov__ | use fort77 | 22:40 |
| Macer | heh.. well | 22:41 |
| * lcuk scratches his head at the perl script to get a digital clock to 0.1seconds - posted to maemo-users | 22:41 | |
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| Macer | i'm doing that over the phone too | 22:41 |
| Macer | ;) | 22:41 |
| Macer | G1 + tmob + wifi tether = best i've used so far | 22:41 |
| * lcuk wonders what problem it solves | 22:41 | |
| thopeiakr-vm | but is it also available in maemo's apt, mikkov__? | 22:42 |
| mikkov__ | you could try? it is | 22:42 |
| thopeiakr-vm | Macer: costs? | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: people who are anal-retentive about their time? | 22:42 |
| mikkov__ | but it's another thing if it works ;) | 22:42 |
| thopeiakr-vm | nice it need this (compiler or whatever it is) | 22:42 |
| Macer | thopeiakr-vm: doesn't cost that much | 22:43 |
| lcuk | i dont know | 22:43 |
| Macer | figure my phone bill with the best G1 plan is like 90$/month | 22:43 |
| thopeiakr-vm | around and where? Macer? | 22:43 |
| Macer | :) it's great.. beats the hell out of att | 22:43 |
| Macer | chicago | 22:43 |
| thopeiakr-vm | :P | 22:43 |
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| Myrtti | I think the script just might work now... | 23:04 |
| Myrtti | if it does, I'm going to scream | 23:04 |
| thopeiakr-vm | are there available deb's of texlive? | 23:05 |
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| thopiekar-vm | I would need them for fftw3, too | 23:05 |
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| mikkov__ | thopeiakr-vm: you probably mean texinfo and it's there | 23:24 |
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| fireun1 | question: just did a dist-upgrade on one of my boxen, and lost about a gig of drive space in the bargain... any suggestions on where I should look for cleaning out older files no longer needed that happen to still exist? I've nuked the old kernel source already... | 23:28 |
| fireun1 | (^generic linux question) | 23:29 |
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| mikkov__ | try apt-get clean | 23:29 |
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| fireun1 | already did that too | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | autoclean? | 23:30 |
| fireun1 | also done | 23:30 |
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| * fireun1 should just delete ufoai, hasnt played it in months and months | 23:31 | |
| * fireun1 found an orphan kernel source dir, nukes it | 23:32 | |
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| mikkov__ | thopeiakr-vm: ah texlive is for transfig. You'd better hope that you don't really all of the tex stuff | 23:34 |
| mikkov__ | really need | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | who wants one? | 23:57 |
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