IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-02-02

AStormqwerty12_N800: compcache works...00:00
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AStormand actually speeds things up a bit. goodie00:02
AStormuse it smaller than 1/400:02
AStormI'm trying 16 MB now00:02
AStormtried it vs fennec w/ 3 pages open (huge ones)00:04
AStormand switch time between apps is now much shorter00:05
mavhcare you using sd based swap too?00:07
AStormoooh, crashed00:07
AStormagain. :/00:07
AStormmavhc: I tried, yes00:07
AStormthis time, it got killed by watchdog00:07
AStormprobably dies due to OOM for some reason00:08
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AStormI guess compcache is too stupid to allocate enough slack for unpacking00:08
AStormor some such00:08
AStormwait, got another "reboot", wtf?00:09
AStormand then a hang (hard) on boot00:12
AStormmaybe the swap file got corrupted00:13
AStormor some else weirdness00:13
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b-man(random information) - i have successfuly created a repository for ubuntu :)
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AStormseems like OOM killer gets on a rampage if no swap is available00:34
AStormbecause Nokia's stupid OOM protector has those 128 MB hardcoded.00:35
AStormor tried to kill a kernel thread00:35
AStormexcellent messup00:35
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b-manWohoooo!!!!!!!, my new ubuntu repository works!!00:43
sisto1b-man: what's on it?00:44
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AStormwhen it crashes, the next boot fails too00:46
AStormthis means some device init is broken in the kernel too!00:46
AStormmore reasons to ditch nokia kernel ASAP00:46
AStormIt's Mer time then.00:46
PhantomDoes anyone know where default package manager in diablo stores repository records?00:46
sistoare there any n810 gamers out there?00:47
sisto(people who play games on the n810)00:48
wndPhantom, apt's list is at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, application manager's list is in /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues00:49
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b-mansisto1: atm, only ubuntu-rescue-menu, nit-bootmenu-compat, and ubuntu-omap-fb-splash.00:49
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Phantomwnd: It's empty, but it still takes sources from somewhere..00:50
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lcukwithout worrying about how long itwould take, is it feasible to simply download the kernal to my machine and build it directly without messing with chroots and stuff?00:53
lcuki already have gcc and build essential, but have never managed to get the ./configure stage working00:53
qwerty12_N800./configure? with a kernel??00:53
lcuki dunno :$00:54
lcukdo i need to00:54
lcukdont i00:54
* lcuk is out of his depth with kernels00:54
Phantomwnd: Update. No, I mistakenly looked wrong place. Yes, it seems that sources are here.00:54
qwerty12_N800kernel doesn't use autotools, you don't need to use sbox  to build a kernel, I've done it before with standard toolchain outside sbox00:55
lcuknice, thanks qwerty, i might get brave if i get past my current sticking point00:55
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PhantomBut there's a problem. While executing "apt-get update" the package manager tries to download files that does not exists (list is here and breaks whole package system by writing in /var/lib/apt/lists in a wrong way.01:00
PhantomUnless I manually clear /var/lib/apt/lists, apt refuses to do anything and returns errors.01:01
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PhantomHow to fix it?01:06
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AFBN810Hey stskeeps you there01:18
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AStormqwerty12_N800: btw, how can I fix that OOM crash?01:31
AStormit seems to me that OOM killer kills some DSME protected process01:31
AStormwhy doesn't it swap to another swap first though?01:32
AStormthe nokia anti-OOM protector doesn't work when you use compcache01:32
AStormas it has 128 MB of free ram hardcoded01:32
AStormso you need swap then01:34
AStormand if you fill that swap, OOMs will happily reap all random processes01:34
AStormmeh, now, new kernels have a special "oom_protect" flag in process proc entry01:35
AStormwhich root can set to 101:35
AStormwhich should be used for watchdog protected processes01:35
AStormor was it oom_adj01:36
AStormwhatever :)01:36
* FireFox updates ubuntu jaunty guide to include the new Ubuntu N8x0 repository and adds a screenshot of the error screen01:37
FireFox(for nit-bootmenu-compat)01:38
AStormit seems that oom_adj is set correctly...01:40
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AStormlooks like either OOM killer is bugged (possible, it's 2.6.21)01:50
AStormor we run out of kernel memory01:50
AStormso it kills whatever random01:50
AStormor something else is killing stuff on lack of memory (possible, Nokia shouldn't have messed with OOM)01:51
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smackpotatois the speed of swap increased if you have a second swapfile on a second memory card02:53
AStormunless you have a modified swapon03:02
AStormthen you can have multiple swap files with different priorities03:02
AStormwith same priority03:02
AStormLinux will then spread the writes to both03:03
AStormwhich should be faster (though you might hit another bottleneck - the bus speed)03:04
AStorm(unlikely though given speed of current flash chips)03:05
AStormI had transfers of 2 MB/s.03:05
AStormmight be faster if you set SD clock faster03:06
AStormnot sure which bus SD/MMC controller is on03:06
smackpotatoso about the prioritys  i read about but didnt understand how to change them03:10
AStormyou can't w/ the default busybox installation03:11
AStormbecause its swapon doesn't support -p flag03:11
smackpotatoso they will definatly be set with different prioritys03:13
AStormthey will if you use this version of swapon03:14
AStormnother version might do it differently03:14
AStorm(e.g. one from util-linux sets priority to 0 by default)03:15
AStorm(and supports -p)03:15
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smackpotatohave you tried that03:16
AStormuhm, on NIT no, it's the usual one on any other Linux distro03:18
pupniki should release a softsynth for tablets03:18
AStormbut there is a build of util-linux for NIT too, not easy to install due to conflict with busybox03:18
AStormpupnik: do it03:18
AStormesp. timidity03:18
pupnikthat's been packaged a few times03:18
AStormof course, quality will have to be reduced03:18
pupnikit's amazingly resource hungry03:19
AStormit is.03:19
AStormactually, the resampler part is03:19
AStormad that is an excellent target for DSP code03:19
pupnikyou are so right03:19
smackpotatoya i tried befor and gave up03:19
AStormyou can speed it up by using cubic interpolation or even linear03:19
AStormsmackpotato: you have to "ignore" the conflict - this means hacking a certain file03:20
AStormdon't do it - wait for Mer release.03:20
smackpotatoill leave it for others03:20
AStormpupnik: it uses very power-hungry Newton polynomial interpolation by default03:21
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pupnikAStorm: ahaa... check this
pupniknice knobs.  would be great fun to ln-s them to a virt synth03:21
AStormurl doesn't seem to work03:22
AStormmaybe ECN trouble?03:23
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AStorm(i get a connection, but no data)03:24
AStormanyway, sleep awaits03:25
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AndrewFBlackHey guys03:27
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AFBN810Anyone had trouble with new Mer installer04:46
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AFBN810getting libc6 error04:49
AFBN810but I have latest version04:49
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jmesquitaDo I have to do anything special with maemo for alsa to detect my snd devs?04:56
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sistojmesquita: what exactly are you doing? sound should work out of the box on the tablets05:01
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jmesquitasisto: I am compiling a lib based on PA05:31
Mousey based on penny arcade?05:32
* Mousey thinks . o O ( that's weird... )05:32
jmesquitaPA = Port Audio, sorry05:33
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sistojmesquita: sorry you sound a lot more literate than I am on this matter...05:35
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jmesquitasisto: Ehehee, not a problem. It seems that PA and Maemos Alsa support are incompatible ...05:39
jmesquitasisto: PA relies on ALSA plugins and Maemo has its own custom plugin to use the tablets dsp05:40
jmesquitasisto: If that matters05:40
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sistojmesquita: when you said PA first i thought you meant pulseaudio I never heard about port audio... will google05:43
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pupnikok maybe05:48
pupnikwe all send our congressmen cards05:48
pupnikwith printouts of goatse05:48
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* Mousey readies his envelopes06:01
pupnikoh we have to demand habeus corpus rights06:05
pupniklets not forget that06:05
bensonpupnik: _Why_ are we doing this, and how am I supposed to print it out without seeing it myself?06:09
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pupnikyou surpass me in randomness06:10
pupniki bow to your power06:10
benson(Not that I can come up with a _bad_ reason, since we're speaking of congressmen...)06:10
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pupnikseriously.  talk to your neighbors06:11
pupnikmake a resolution.06:11
pupnikwe demand them06:11
Mouseyoh, is this nokia/dmca?06:14
Mouseywait, s/dmca/snooping/06:14
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slonopotamusdamn! i know why my gentoo doesn't boot07:33
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slonopotamus~curse bootmenu, linux distros and everyone07:34
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slonopotamusbootmenu calls /usr/sbin/chroot07:34
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bootmenu, linux distros and everyone !07:34
slonopotamusbut i have /usr/bin/chroot07:34
slonopotamusit tooks me three days to figure out07:35
slonopotamusgone for reboot07:36
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Livingroomnite all'07:40
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pundiramitHi, did anyone try running a GtkClutter application or test-examples on OMAP3? I can run clutter test examples but getting some errors when I'm trying to run any Gtk-Clutter application.08:55
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RST38hA man shopping in a Lenovo store in mainland China has been killed after the phone in his chest pocket exploded, severing arteries and leading to massive blood loss.09:06
* RST38h wonders if the phone was also made by Lenovo09:06
RST38hMousey: I would just blame Lenovo, based on the previous experience.09:06
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jaskahmm, 101 day uptime, not bad :D (n810)09:20
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Mouseyhow is that even POSSIBLE09:24
* Mousey bows in respect09:24
Proteousdon't reboot?09:24
mavhcturn off watchdog?09:24
Mouseyeverybody's got a theory =P09:24
jaskahmm, iirc watchdog is on now.. used to be off09:24
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jaskabut that was before i fixed the internal mmc partition09:25
mavhcdon't use it much?09:25
jaskathe kbd backlight lags tho09:25
jaskaused to mostly ssh around09:26
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* timeless looks for someone willing to risk their n800/n810 :)09:30
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keesjtimeless: I am all in for it10:15
timelessgive me 5mins10:15
keesjsince my screen is broken anyway10:15
* qwerty12 thanks Russia for sending their snowstorms here :)10:15
jaskasend them a firestorm?:D10:16
qwerty12That's not a nice way of saying thanks :P10:16
timelesskeesj: so your tablet isn't usable?10:17
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keesjtimeless: well the screen sometimes generated pressess and the acuracy of the touchscreen is sub-optimal. it's anoying enough to not use it10:25
timelessok, i'm rebuilding debs now, i should have things in 10moins10:25
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keesjtimeless: do you have any requirements regarding the os version?(my os 2008 feature upgrade did not work)10:32
timelessi don't think so10:32
timelessthe debs don't seem to enforce versioning10:32
timelesspresumably that means i screwed up the conflicts lines10:34
timelessoops, wrong window10:34
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Stskeepsmorning rzr10:46
Stskeepsrzr: 770 image is now fixed, it was broken before :)10:46
timelessfwiw, i hit a packaging snag, i need to resolve it before i can share10:46
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: the point is through a curious mechanism to be able to include stuff we wouldn't normally be able to include10:48
Stskeepsmaybe skype, but most likely nokia made stuff10:48
Stskeepsso it's the things from Maemo you are missing that we need to sneak for instance10:49
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* Meiz_n810 boots to Mer10:50
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* keesj just decided mer later today10:53
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* Stskeeps glances over at the beagleboard and should really get jaunty going on it at some point10:54
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keesjdefine jaunty10:57
Stskeepswell, ubuntu jaunty armel with a fairly sane debian-style kernel10:57
timelessjaunty is ubuntu's next release10:57
Stskeepsi had mojo going on it before xmas10:58
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qwerty12Anyone happen to know why kill `pidof uptimed` won't work from a prerm script but works fine from a shell?10:58
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Stskeepsmorning johnx11:06
timelesshello world11:06
timelessi was trying to make foo-l10n-enus packages11:06
JaffaMorning, all11:07
timelessbut the way the foo-l10n packages exist and conflict w/ foo-l10n-enus seem to mean i can't use foo-l10n-enus as a package name11:07
timelessanyone have a suggested package naming scheme?11:08
timelessone approach is foo-l10n-enus111:08
timelessanother is foo-l10n-enus-timeless11:09
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Stskeepstimeless: Conflicts/Replaces? :P11:13
Stskeeps / Provides11:13
timelessfoo-l10n conflicts w/ foo-l10n-enus11:13
timelessand that would mean that installing foo-l10n-enus would uninstall your other locales11:13
timelesswhich isn't ideal11:13
timelessbasically the nokia l10n team screwed up royally11:13
timelessthey should have used version conflicts11:14
timelessbut didn't11:14
Stskeepswell since Provides' doesn't have version numbers, it is a bitch11:14
JaffaStskeeps: how did the 0.7 release go?11:15
timeless:(, my workstation has decided it doesn't need to be responsive11:16
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keesjhmm mer 0.7 .install fails (application package missing: libc6 (>= 2.5.1)11:16
StskeepsJaffa: murphys law11:16
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Stskeepskeesj: hmm, what package version does it try to download?11:16
JaffaStskeeps: ah11:16
Stskeepsah. now i know what's amatter11:17
Stskeepskeesj: apt-get update and try again :) i had built on the wrong armel platform11:21
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StskeepsJaffa: race condition in NFS causing imager to break the installs, built bootmenu on debian-armel instead of SB-DIABLO, rootstrap problems, 770 image not completing build, .. etc11:23
Stskeepsbesides that, fine11:23
timelessok, now has new content11:24
timelessthe xref itself hasn't been transfered11:25
timeless507M Jan 28 16:25 xref11:25
timelesspushing that will take a while :)11:25
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crashanddiegood morning my underlings :)11:27
qwerty12morning crashanddie :)11:27
crashanddieqwerty12: I take it you're home as well?11:27
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crashanddiegood lad11:28
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crashanddiehow many inches you got?11:28
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crashanddiein a non-sexual way?11:29
liriStskeeps: around?11:29
Stskeepsliri: mm?11:29
qwerty12crashanddie, lol, that was the first thing that came to mind >.< but I haven't checked properly yet, lemme see :p11:30
qwerty12About 3-4'11:31
timelessany suggestions for my package naming problem?11:31
crashanddieqwerty12: last night, I went out for a fag11:31
liriStskeeps: did you try that evolution port to maemo?11:31
crashanddieqwerty12: I opened the front door, and was like "what the?"11:31
Myrttihello everyone11:31
Stskeepstimeless: i think the upcoming debmaster will be good at these questions11:32
Stskeeps'lo Myrtti11:32
qwerty12hi Myrtti11:32
timelessdoes that person have a name?11:32
Stskeepsliri: no sorry, not yet - i have been shit busy :)11:32
crashanddieeverything completely white, didn't get it11:32
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liriStskeeps: ahh ok11:32
Stskeepstimeless: hehe, not sure yet :) council is still working on it i think11:32
timelesssince i want to rush something out the door in 30mins11:32
timelessi think i'm going to use enus111:32
Jaffatimeless: sorry, I'm not up-to-speed. What's the problem?11:33
JaffaThe debmaster is down to the final few, and hopefully an announcement will be made shortly.11:33
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timelessin the beginning each package foo11:33
qwerty12Does anyone see "ps aux | grep daemon |grep uptimed | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'" as a little convoluted?11:34
timelesshad a set of corresponding packages foo-l10n-llcc11:34
timelessthen nokia decided to replace all those llcc's w/ a single package11:34
timelessfor each foo11:34
Stskeepsqwerty12: a tad..11:34
timelessthe foo-l10n package conflicts w/ each foo-l10n-llcc11:34
timelessand it isn't a versioned conflict11:34
timelessi want to ship a package which should be named foo-l10n-enus11:35
qwerty12Stskeeps, I really can't think of better ways to do it though... if I run kill `pidof uptimed` from a shell it works. If I run it from my prerm, it says it can't find the process :/11:35
JaffaOh, as in en_US11:35
RST38hWho called eunuchs?11:35
timelessbut i can't, because doing that would cause the l10n package to be removed which would leave people w/o the other locales11:35
keesjStskeeps: upon the first bootmenu install I did get some errors that the *.items  where not there , I guess this is normal but perhaps it's better to test if the files are there11:35
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timelessso unless i also ship the other locales, they'd only get enus11:35
crashanddieqwerty12: it should be possible to simplify that11:35
Jaffatimeless: Hmm, annoying11:35
timelessno kidding11:36
Jaffatimeless: and changing the base package Conflicts isn't an option?11:36
Stskeepskeesj: that's fine11:36
timelessyou mean rewriting the nokia shipped package meta data on everyone's real devices?11:36
timelessand worrying about package domains?11:36
qwerty12crashanddie, I'm all ears :). I have to do grep daemon because then, the postrm script ends up killing itself when I remove the package >.<11:36
Jaffatimeless: yeah, that :)11:36
timelessshall we pretend it isn't particularly realistic for the near future11:37
Jaffatimeless: Is your new -enus package optional?11:37
timelessmy goal is to demo the fact that it's possible to have non lame strings11:37
Jaffatimeless: i.e. only people who want en_US will install it? If so, removing the others (assuming it doesn't break SSU or something) should be fine11:37
crashanddieqwerty12: first of all, why would you grep -v grep?11:37
timelessi'd expect it'd break ssu11:37
Jaffatimeless: Or, it does break SSU and it's released to a select few - and not Extras ;)11:37
keesjStskeeps: but after the Mer install and a working boot menu the install doesn't boot(after about 10 seconds it goes back to the boot menu selection)11:37
timelessplus i want people to be able to switch to enGB to see the improvements my package has over the original11:38
qwerty12crashanddie, because when I search for the process in ps, the grep process shows up too. Doing a grep -v grep hides that grep process from the output (whoo)11:38
timelessqwerty: fwiw11:38
timelessps -o args|grep ^foo11:38
timelesscan be helpful11:38
Stskeepskeesj: oh boy.11:38
timelessat least, it works nicely on swift :)11:38
timeless(really, ps -eo args|grep ^rsync)11:39
Jaffatimeless: if it's just temporary can you just come up with a -enus-new or something?11:39
timelessyeah, i can pick any -whatever name11:39
timelesssuggest one, i'll use it11:39
crashanddieqwerty12: if you do a ps aux | grep daemon; it should already remove everything that has no daemon in it ;)11:39
sp3000oh, it takes over gb? no wonder I saw no strings on us11:39
timeless-enus1 is what i'm currently considering11:39
timelesssp3000: no11:39
qwerty12timeless, thanks but I don't think busybox grep/ps agrees with that.11:39
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Jaffatimeless: Yeah, that's what I was thinking11:40
qwerty12crashanddie, thanks, lemme see11:40
crashanddieqwerty12: hang on, lemme ssh into my device11:40
Stskeepskeesj: apologies for this mess, i should have spent more time on it this weekend :) re-run installer and when it asks for URL, provide URL=
timelesssp3000: whcih files did you grab?11:40
timelessif you grab the latest forjx zip11:40
timelessthere are two versions, the empty one from before the half time show11:40
liriGPE contacts has syncing with google?11:40
timelessand the one from about an hour ago (less?) where i actually shipped mo files :)11:41
timelessthe first one ran into a problem where the debian/foo.install file names weren't correct11:41
qwerty12crashanddie, whee, thanks for that, you're right. I don't need to grep -v grep :)11:41
timelessso it didn't package anything :)11:41
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timelesswell, it packages gtk and one other thing if you want to be technical11:42
liriahh, there's a #gpe channel11:42
timelessgrab it again and use dpkg -x11:42
* timeless goes to setup -enus1's11:42
* Stskeeps notes to himself this was the second-worst release of his life so far :P11:43
timelessdoes it have a chance at being your worst? :)11:43
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Stskeepsworst was a major waited for release of my old ircd, that in very probable situations mass-killed the entire IRC network11:44
Stskeepswhich makes it even more ironic i'm doing healthcare software now..11:44
RST38hSts: What was the 1st ?11:45
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StskeepsRST38h: that one was the worst11:46
* RST38h has seen worse one11:46
RST38hFortunately, done by competitors11:46
keesjI hope it was not his child11:46
johnxStskeeps, but the actual released image worked out ok, right?11:46
Stskeepsjohnx: yes, it's fine11:47
crashanddieqwerty12: ps aux | egrep "daemon.*uptimed" | awk '{print $1}'11:47
qwerty12Wicked, thank you.11:48
RST38hBrought down Minneapolis ARTCC11:48
keesjdoes bootmenu now use kexec ?11:48
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Stskeepskeesj: no sorry, we use same kernel as diablo currently - there's some KEXEC problems as discussed in previous one11:49
crashanddiedon't you hate it when you're downloading at 680KB/s but you have to quit as you're about to enter a teammeeting?11:49
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Corsac_hey there11:49
StskeepsRST38h: heh, software bug in copenhagen airport: weather sensors on each end of a runway were reversed in the system11:50
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genewitchok so, i got voip working and it can receive calls... except when the screen shuts off... how do i fix this?11:51
genewitchn800 OS200811:51
johnxgenewitch, is this the latest version of OS2008 (diablo)?11:51
genewitchjohnx: yes11:51
* Jaffa sighs at #5 at
johnxcan you ping the tablet when the machine is off?11:51
infobotjohnx meant: can you ping the tablet when the screen is off?11:52
genewitchlet me check11:52
Stskeeps(current Modest svn trunk is not public11:52
johnxJaffa, yeah :/ that's a real downer11:52
Corsac_hmhm, will the people at FOSDEM have some n810 to sell?11:53
genewitchjohnx: yes, i can ping it with the screen off11:54
* timeless ponders11:54
timelessso um11:54
* Stskeeps begins boostrapping a beagleboard image11:55
genewitchtimeless, thanks for all the help yesterday, btw11:55
timelesshow do i want to deal w/ this stupid versioning11:55
timeless:), enjoy your toy11:55
genewitchi bought another one for my girlfriend11:55
timelessoh good11:55
timelesswell, in that case, thanks for supporting my job/employer :)11:55
crashanddieyou should've waited until the 14th11:55
genewitchi might even get my dad one, his palm pilot died11:55
* timeless tries to be cheerful once i a while11:56
genewitchso any ideas about the screen/idle thing interfering with receiving calls?11:56
* timeless doesn't deal w/ calls11:56
timelessother than the strings11:56
timelessok, so um...11:56
* timeless grumbles11:56
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timelessseems like a pretty stupid package name/version11:57
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timelessgiven that it's the first version of osso-countries-l10n-enus111:58
* timeless sighs11:58
genewitchtimeless: maybe tl111:58
timelessnah 0.1 will do11:58
timelessonce i figure out how to rewrite the other bits11:58
timelessno, really just 0.111:58
timelessit's my own pacakge since i was force to pick my own name11:58
genewitchyeah, i intend to start porting stuff as soon as i get the bugs ironed out of my main ubuntu install11:59
timelesscould someone tell me what the actual package version number is for osso-countries-l10n ?11:59
timelessso if i want to conflict11:59
timelessi should write Conflicts:  osso-countries-l10n-enus (<= 5.0+r6160)12:00
genewitch"file pty not found"12:00
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RST38hJaffa: At this rate, Modest is never going to be usable =)12:03
qwerty12in diablo anyway :)12:03
* RST38h wonders if will ever be fixed12:04
RST38hqwerty: Naah, that is not "in Diablo" but "never"12:04
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RST38hqwerty: Abut 5-10 showstopping Modest bugs have been fixed so far, including ones scheduled for Fremantle12:05
qwerty12RST38h, yeah :). I more mean that if it is fixed and made into a stable, decent mail client, then it will never be seen for diablo :)12:05
RST38hqwerty: the total number is probably more like 40-6012:05
keesjStskeeps: alright booted into the Mer12:06
keesjand going away..12:06
RST38hqwerty: In other words, at this rate we will have fully usable Modest in Maemo8 or so12:06
Stskeepskeesj: did it boot now? good12:06
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RST38hJaffa: Have you ever tried asking Nokia about opening Modest source code?12:07
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Stskeepsisn't it open?12:08
qwerty12The current version in diablo is open12:08
qwerty12But maybe RST38h is referring to their hidden trunk version12:08
RST38hqwerty: The only one I found online is outdated12:08
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RST38hqwerty: I do not think it is the current diablo version, way too olg12:08
johnxRST38h, do you have your tablet in front of you? can you tell me the version of modest installed?12:10
qwerty12RST38h, Nokia's update repo has the current diablo version at 1.0-2008.43-1 and there are 1.0-2008.43-1 debs in
RST38hjohnx: I don't :( It is on though, but behind two NATs12:11
johnxRST38h, I know how that goes :/12:11
johnx~lart NATs12:11
* infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that NATs is stuck to the floor12:11
RST38hqwerty: Maybe I should pull it down and hack on it12:11
qwerty12You'd probably do a better job than nokia did :)12:12
RST38hqwerty: Nothing major just fix small crap that nobody cares to fix12:12
RST38hqwerty: Not sure abut it12:12
johnx...and build a spectrum ZX emu into it :D12:12
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qwerty12Some hacks were done by yerga (, not functionality hacks but interface ones12:12
qwerty12But I guess that could go under functionality anyway12:13
* timeless ponders12:13
RST38hAll accounts in folder view - perfect12:13
timelessi wonder if my 1000 char script should exist in a file12:13
RST38hJust what I wanted12:13
qwerty12You'll need to rebuild from source though, that build seems for an older ssu12:14
johnxtimeless, just in ~/.bash_history for now?12:14
RST38hyes, he modified .3512:14
timelessnotepad on my laptop12:14
RST38hNeed to wget the latest sources first12:14
timelessmy shells don't keep history12:14
johnxsorry to hear that :(12:15
RST38hjohnx: having a pocket-sized unix machine hidden somewhere in the house and open to ssh has some really weird appeal12:15
johnxRST38h, especially if it has a webcam and mic :)12:16
RST38hjohnx: naah, those do make it stronger but do not define it12:16
johnxback in high school I had a full tower samba server hidden under a desk in a storage room :)12:16
RST38hjohnx: but I am afraid a shrink would have lots to say about this feeling =)12:17
johnxit eventually developed important quasi-official duties, but it's physical location wasn't discovered until more than a year after I left...12:17
timelesswell, script seems to work :)12:17
johnxI think some kind of timing attack was used to narrow down the location eventually...12:17
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timelessjohnx: wow12:18
Stskeepsjohnx: i have once or twice considering hubbing up under the panels in the hallway..12:19
Stskeepsexcept our ethernet is kinda authed :)12:19
timelessjohnx: my favorite story is iirc a pdp11 that was encased in a wall somewhere12:20
johnxStskeeps, we did that in my dorm in college. We wired an AP into the drop ceiling in the hall so we could have inet access in the dorm lounge and powered it off an exit sign12:20
timelessbut i can't seem to find the article about it12:20
Stskeepsjohnx: hehe12:20
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johnxeventually they cracked down on rogue APs and when someone started asking around we had to do a hurried extraction12:21
Stskeepsjohnx: sometimes seperating university and dorms is a good thing.. they are much more strict at campus here12:23
johnxheh...well it wasn't so much a case of leniency as the fact that they couldn't triangulate it without GPS...12:24
timelessgps indoors is um...12:25
qwerty12RST38h, I've collected yerga's patches if you want to apply it to latest modest:
Stskeepsjohnx: it's fairly trivial armed with a pda to track it down if need be :P12:26
timelessi think's index is live12:27
timelessin case people want to use it12:28
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timelessoh, no, almost live12:28
Stskeepsjohnx: think my focus for 0.8 is nit-kernel-compat, some more work on community firmware images, #4016 and beagleboard support12:28
* timeless forgot the last step12:28
Stskeepsjohnx: and improving for the 77012:28
johnxStskeeps, ah, so we can be based on a later kernel if we want?12:29
Stskeepsyeah, for instance12:29
Stskeepsin this case, jffs2 images12:29
timeless-rw-r--r--  1 timeless pg922508 507M 2009-01-28 06:25 garage/xref12:30
timeless-rw-r--r--  1 timeless pg922508 146M 2008-09-18 17:02 garage1/xref12:30
timelessit's amazing how much garage has grown :o12:30
Stskeepswell after stuff like SF and such turned totally crap..12:31
timeless-rw-r--r--  1 timeless pg922508  15M 2009-01-30 02:29 garage/.glimpse_filenames12:31
timeless-rw-rw-r--  1 timeless pg922508 8.5M 2008-12-17 06:35 garage1/.glimpse_filenames12:31
timelessoddly the amount in terms of files hasn't grown to match index size12:31
* timeless discards garage112:32
* timeless sighs12:33
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timelessoh oops12:33
timelessi knew i forgot to do something12:33
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RST38hqwerty: Thanks! Going to try building it tonight if I have time12:35
qwerty12I've actually built it here, want me to up the debs?12:36
RST38hqwerty: Naah, I wil have to build it from source anyway if I am going to fix some other things in it12:36
timelessok, it isn't perfect, but it should work12:36
RST38hqwerty: But uploading it to that iTT thread should make a lot of people happy =)12:36
qwerty12RST38h, 'Twas the answer I was hoping for :)12:36
lcuksudo apt-get remove snow ice12:42
qwerty12sudo dpkg --purge --force-all snow ice12:42
qwerty12lcuk, how's the snow up there?12:42
lcuknot that bad actually, horrid near home but once i got on the motorway and such it wasnt too bad12:43
qwerty12Hehe, it hasn't snowed like that down here :)12:43
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lcukthats cos you warm jessies left the heating on overnight :P12:44
qwerty12Heating? Ha.12:44
qwerty12Boiler doesn't agree with central heating >.< :)12:45
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genewitchi vaguely recall there being a "windows environment on maemo" thread somewhere, is there a wine port?12:48
johnxgenewitch, nope.12:48
qwerty12No, wine emulates windows api calls, not a x86 processor.12:48
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johnxthere's dosbox or bochs, but they're not fast enough to be usable for running windows12:49
Stskeepsrdesktop instead12:49
genewitchi don't want to emulate windows, i just want to run a windows app12:49
genewitchjohnx: is a port possible, do you think?12:50
genewitcheven of an old version12:50
timelessok, well, that xref isn't perfect, but i hope people use it a bit12:50
timelessi'll see about getting the fremantle sdk indexed this week too12:50
timelessit requires me to find a script and make sure it still works12:50
johnxgenewitch, you can't port windows or run a windows app on an n8x0 without emulating an x86 processor12:50
johnxand you can't 'port' an app unless you have source code12:50
genewitchOh, that makes sense12:51
genewitchit's late12:51
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timelessdpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - gtk20-l10n-enus1 and gtk20-l10n-enus12:52
genewitchjohnx: did you happen to think of any reason i can't get calls when the screen is off, even though the machine is pingable?12:52
genewitchit doesn't even tell me i missed a call12:52
johnxgenewitch, ah, sorry I didn't see where you said the machine was pingable12:53
timelessstupid me12:53
genewitchjohnx: well, you're not my personal help desk rep, i didn't want to hound you12:53
johnxhmm. are you talking about a SIP call? or gizmo? or skype?12:54
* timeless fixes changelogs12:55
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genewitchhmm it appears to not be accepting calls at all now12:56
johnxah, well that's more consistent at least12:56
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genewitchi'm gunna let it fall back asleep12:59
genewitchmaybe it's a keepalive issue12:59
genewitchi changed it from 3600 to 36012:59
* timeless wonders if there's some flag to make dpkg-buildpackage faster13:01
sp3000if you're running it the second time, rm build outside sbox to avoid the mysterious slowness13:02
genewitchjohnx: it appears that the device going to sleep knocks me off the SIP network13:02
sp3000the second? er, as in, you've got a build tree that needs removing13:02
sp3000DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=n is another13:03
timelessi think i want --do-not-make-source-packages13:03
timelessi'm not using a scratchbox13:03
timelessvmware + mer :)13:03
sp3000       -b     Specifies a binary-only build, no source files are to be built  and/or13:03
* sp3000 fuds13:04
timelessearly for food?13:04
genewitchgrrr i don't want to have to leave this on and plugged in all day just to receive calls.13:04
sp3000I got here for 10am for a mtg that turned out to be delayed, yay13:05
timelessok, i'll be @food in 15-2013:05
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johnxgenewitch, that's odd. I haven't played with SIP much but if you can ping the machine while the screen is off I don't see why you wouldn't be able to receive calls...13:10
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genewitchjohnx: it appears like my device is saying it's connected (and can make calls) but loses it's ability to receive calls after an arbitrary number of minutes13:34
johnxgenewitch, you might want to try disabling wifi power saving mode just so we can rule it out13:35
genewitchi just tested it again (it's plugged in and received a test call when i plugged it in) and it's not receiving again. i might have to call my voip company13:35
Stskeepsyes, definately disable power saving and see if that helps13:36
genewitchhow? i've seen that before, but what panel is it in13:36
infobotwifi-psm is probably
infobot[psm] Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm13:36
Stskeepsyeah, wifi-psm13:37
johnxpolluted bot-namespace :)13:37
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genewitchtesting now, plugged in and on13:39
Stskeepsremember to reconnect13:39
genewitchit rings and connects...13:39
genewitchi can close the internet phone app as long as the SIP light is on at the top, right?13:40
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genewitchi'll leave it alone for a while and see what happens.13:41
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RST38hIs there ANY MicroB extensions that does not consume 100% cpu? =)13:43
qwerty12wmlbrowser? :)13:44
RST38hqwerty: Got snowed in? =)13:45
qwerty12Thankfully not but there sure as hell is a lot of snow :D13:45
qwerty12Reminds me of the North :)13:45
* RST38h doesn't get this south-north distinction in UK. The whole place is a freaking island, and a small one, no?13:46
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qwerty12The north is the part where you don't want to go with horrible places like Manchester etc... :P13:46
RST38hShouldn't it have the same weather (wet, temperate) across the whole place?13:47
StskeepsRST38h: large difference between people in west/east/north/south dk too13:47
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RST38hSts: Weird13:47
Stskeepsaccents, etc13:47
Veggenplaces in Norway, one could hear if a person is from up in the valley or some km down in the valley.13:50
_berto_that happens all over the world :)13:51
RST38hIn .RU it usually means a different nationality13:52
RST38hor some obscure tribe13:52
* qwerty12 pukes as he sees a doc file uploaded to itT13:52
RST38hqwerty: Respond with .ppt!13:53
* RST38h hides13:53
johnxRST38h, really? no regional accents?13:54
RST38hjohnx: mostly intonational and in sentence structure13:54
johnxwell, that's the definition of an accent, isn't it?13:55
RST38hjohnx: about 70% of the population lives in the cities of 100k+ people13:55
crashanddieabout 92% of all statistics are made up13:56
genewitchstill fails to receive calls after a while with PMS off13:56
genewitchthis has to be a SIP keepalive issue13:56
RST38hjohnx: well, if you want heavy accent, it has ot be pronounciation13:56
crashanddieor dislexia13:56
RST38hjohnx: Otherwise, you get something like Maryland accent - perfectly correct am. english with some intonation jumps13:57
johnxcrashanddie, dislexia is mostly about reading I think13:57
RST38hjohnx: you are like you wrong! =)13:58
johnxRST38h, I see what you mean. and I assume no regional dialects?13:58
crashanddiejohnx: ever asked someone with dislexia to read a text and not think about the words he's saying?13:58
RST38hjohnx: There are lots. Or HAVE BEEN13:58
crashanddiejohnx: I can assure you, it's funny as hell, and more over, one helluvan accent13:58
johnxcrashanddie, errr...but only when reading13:58
RST38hjohnx: As population migrated to cities, most regional dialects have been lost13:59
johnxRST38h, that's quite interesting. When was the big move to cities?13:59
crashanddieRST38h: you've never been in London, have you?13:59
qwerty12crashanddie, please. I know a dyslexic person and he had to read the entire scene of Macbeth. The amount of mistakes I heard made me think I was listening to a remake.13:59
RST38hjohnx: Started with industrialization and famine in 1920s13:59
RST38hjohnx: Second wave happened after WWII14:00
RST38hcrash: Nope, but I know what you mean =)14:00
crashanddieRST38h: I can assure you there's more accents in London that any rural place I lived in14:00
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johnxRST38h, I always find it interesting when places have similar histories and still end up with strong regional accents/dialects...14:00
crashanddieanyway, gotta run, food14:01
johnxyes. run away from the food14:01
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RST38hjohnx: Well, there is at least one strong accent remaining in the south, but it is mostly of ukrainian descent14:02
RST38hjohnx: Reset of the country is mostly preoccupied with stuff like"shawerma" (SpB) vs "shaurma" (Moscow)14:02
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kessuhi, can i use windows maemo flash program to flash local image to n800 (downgrade os2008 to os 2007)14:05
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RST38hIf you have a desktop or notebook computer and are aged between 25 and 55, there's nearly a one in five chance you have already bought a netbook.14:07
RST38hCrazy people.14:07
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johnxRST38h, not everyone has $1500 to sink on an ultraportable14:08
genewitchyeah, it's working properly now14:08
genewitchi am going to attempt to turn the power saving back on14:08
genewitchi set "keepalive" to auto, 014:08
johnxgenewitch, yeah, that would be a good test14:09
genewitchit's working with the screen off now14:09
* b-man|grogy is suprised when he successfully compiles/builds several packages in ubuntu while maemo locks up and crashes on the same packages - and he's doing this under a full ubuntu-desktop env 0_o14:09
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genewitchjohnx: it appears to be working now!14:12
genewitchi have to call them tomorrow and find out what that is supposed to be set to14:12
RST38hjohnx: So, instead they first sink $1000 on a budget laptop and then sink $400 on a netbook =)14:13
JaffaOh noes, the netbook argument again.14:13
* Jaffa runs for the hills14:13
RST38hjohnx: On the other hand, this defuses domestic conflicts over a computer :)14:13
johnxRST38h, yes. and now they have a machine to leave at home (your average 15.4" notebook isn't really 'portable' in the strictest sense) and a portable machine. also provides redundancy14:14
johnxthough I think after another generation or two we'll see 10" "netbooks" being primary machines14:15
* RST38h never seen a point in those 15.4" monsters. Had a 14.1" laptop once, absolutely hated it14:15
RST38hjohnx: BTW, can you actually run Studio .NET on a netbook?14:15
RST38his it usable for development?14:15
johnxRST38h, why would an everyday user want to do that? you're not the target demographic...14:15
johnxRST38h, also, the 1st and 2nd question could be taken separately to great comedic effect :P14:16
RST38hjohnx: It's a semipersonal question14:16
johnxRST38h, 1) never used .NET, 2) I use windows only for games, so 3) I have no idea14:16
RST38hjohnx: not going to develop on it personally, but have been asked if it is possible14:17
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RST38hFound it:
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johnxjeez. that's actually pretty respectable. close to a pentium M clock-for-clock14:21
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RST38hjohnx: the problem is that it is SpECint14:22
johnxand specFP14:22
RST38ha very special kind of test. currently looking for more realistic stuff14:22
johnxalso: Is that taking advantage of both cores or not?14:22
RST38hLooks like it is not much worse than Pentium3M which is reassuring14:23
johnxlike I said: next generation or the one after that14:24
RST38hjohnx: Next.14:25
RST38hjohnx: Atl east, if the battery life is not a concern :)14:25
johnxI think Intel is definitely capable of making a decent chip in that power envelope at that price, but will they really be willing to compete against themselves?14:25
johnxhi AndrewFBlack14:25
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johnxRST38h, heh. we already know that Average Joe doesn't actually think about battery life :)14:26
RST38hjohnx: The only thing that matters is the margin14:26
aquatixRST38h: i think the resolution on a netbook is too low for visual studio14:26
johnxRST38h, the margin is crap on the Atom, IIRC14:26
RST38hjohnx: So, atom or no atom, if the margin is good...14:26
aquatix1024x600 doesn't cut it14:26
* RST38h uses 1024x768 notebook14:27
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: most errorss shouuld be fixed now14:27
AndrewFBlackok I'll give it a try14:27
* aquatix has 1280x800 thankfully, and even that is on the low side14:27
aquatiximho :)14:27
RST38hjohnx: Well, I am legally unable to argue on this topic.14:27
johnxRST38h, heh. forgot about that :)14:28
RST38hjohnx: But let us just say that it is ok.14:28
AndrewFBlackMy FN button quit working yesterday reflashed and it started working again14:29
johnxRST38h, very interesting indeed :)14:29
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AndrewFBlackI know most people don't use built in Map program but would it be possible to symlink the map directory to external so I can just plug in that card when I need the GPS14:31
johnxAndrewFBlack, unless you format your internal card as ext2/3 you can't make symlinks on it14:32
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: remember if it was easy to remove maemo-mappers libgpsbt dependancies?14:32
AndrewFBlackjohnx well I'm considering using internal card for OS I almost never use GPS but I paid for subscription so I want to have it as an option without wasting almost a GB of space14:33
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johnxAndrewFBlack, yeah. that would be fine in that case14:34
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yeah, I just forced   libgpsbt-dev to be installed but it detects whether  libgpsbt is available during compile14:34
AndrewFBlackjohnx, Thanks14:34
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: intriguing:)14:35
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, is 2GB internal card on N810 big enough for Mer?14:42
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: yes14:44
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Stskeepswe fill about 300mb unpacked i think14:44
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, ok wanting to save my external card for Deblet I think because I'm getting to the point where I can't stand Hildon lol I'm killing to give up a little easy of operation for better looking sometimes14:46
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AndrewFBlackStskeeps, Also if you need a mirror for Mer I can set up on on Maemobox.org14:46
Stskeepsmm, dont nother with deblet if you plan to install it14:46
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: k, will look at it14:46
AndrewFBlackwhy not?14:47
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Stskeepsmer is deblet successor and im not working more on it14:47
AndrewFBlackahh ok14:47
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AndrewFBlackI thought you were keeping both14:48
Stskeepsb-mans ubuntu might be ok though14:48
AndrewFBlackyeah but install might still be a little hard for me14:48
Stskeepsah - mer will be able to do same and more14:48
AndrewFBlackwill we be able to use other desktop eviroments on Mer lol right now I've been using Maemo and using Easy Debian Lxde replacemnt all the time14:49
qwerty12_N800IMAP is better than POP3, right?14:49
Stskeepsi like imap better14:49
AndrewFBlackqwerty12_N800, so do I14:49
Jaffaqwerty12_N800; yeah, although POP3's easier to talk for a human14:49
Stskeepsyes, theres a small bug with a transition package but besides that/.14:50
qwerty12_N800Good enough for me, thanks all :)14:50
Stskeepsjohnx: was h-d-e a x-session-manager?14:55
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genewitchis there a guide to getting video onto the n800 correctly? only some videos i use the internet tablet video converter for actually play, the others play for 4 seconds, then stutter out14:58
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genewitchthe stuff i get that is already mp4 SEEMS to work, but i don't have enough to verify14:58
Jaffagenewitch: IRRC14:58
RST38hgenewitch: Use Tablet Video Converter provided by Nokia14:59
RST38hgenewitch: If you can't, just use mencoder14:59
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johnxStskeeps, yes15:00
genewitchRST38h: i am using that, the videos it puts out stutter sometimes15:01
timelessfor your next release15:01
genewitchi should say, sometimes the videos it puts out are unplayable15:01
timelesscould you not ship y our .bash_history to every user? :)15:01
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johnxgenewitch, are you using mplayer or the built in media player?15:01
johnxtimeless, was this the 770 image?15:02
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genewitchjohnx: mplayer. should i use the built in for the pre-converted ones?15:02
timelessthis is the 0.7 pre that i got for n8x0 afaik15:02
johnxtimeless, first debian tar.gz I did I shipped some mp3s as well and my /etc/hostname O_o15:02
timelessalthough, i could be wrong15:02
johnxgenewitch, I'm just asking because they work best with different settings. so if you are using Nokia's converter it works best with the built in player15:03
johnxif you are using tablet-encode it works best with mplayer15:03
genewitchyour fixed it15:03
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timelessjohnx: can you check to see if that's still broken and add it to the "not to repeat" thing15:04
timelessoops, i think hildon-desktop crashed15:04
timelessmy coworker is not impressed15:04
johnxtimeless, checking15:05
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genewitchjohnx: that is totally awesome! the internet video converter is the first program i've used that even came close to actually converting the files for a mobile device, and now that all the files i converted work, it's awesome!15:05
johnxgenewitch, ah. good deal. you were using mplayer I take it?15:06
genewitchi have a PSP and a mini video player as well, and i could never get the converters to work properly15:06
genewitchjohnx: yes, cause it was playing all the other files i had15:06
genewitchfamily guy stuff that i ripped for my PSP that the PSP balked at, for instance15:06
johnxtimeless, no .bash_history here on a fresh 0.7...15:07
timelessi'm not sure it's bash history per se15:07
timelessit was something w/ some apt repository stuff15:08
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timelessbasically it was stuff i saw when i pressed <up> in my xterm15:08
johnxas root or user?15:08
johnxI'm really not seeing it here15:08
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johnxalso, I'd be terribly curious if you could tell me what you were doing when h-d crashed...15:09 used b-man's installer, didn't you?15:10
johnxbut the user gets created in I really don't see how it would end up with a .bash_history or similar15:11
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StsN800wtf@bash history15:11
Corsac_do you guys know a cheap (~200$) way to get a n810, with shipment to france? In france it's still at ~330€ but and stuff like that don't want to ship to .EU15:12
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StsN800what user?15:12
johnxCorsac_, get a friend in the US to ship it to you. :)15:12
StsN800and was it the vmdk?15:12
Corsac_johnx: that's an idea, but if there was a direct way…15:13
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* aquatix got it that way a year ago :)15:14
Corsac_aquatix: eheh15:14
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JaffaCorsac_: there are various services which will forward US mail, for exactly this purpose, too15:17
StsN800timeless, no clue, no .bash_histories in my actual images15:17
Corsac_Jaffa: yeah but often distributosr refuse to ship to those address, don't they?15:19
* Jaffa dunnos - never tried them15:21
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AndrewFBlackare there no more apps for Mer in the repositorys right now other then ones that come installed with it?15:37
johnxAndrewFBlack, that's pretty much it right now15:37
JaffaAndrewFBlack: enable Extras and see what works ;-)15:38
Jaffavim should.15:38
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: try enable red pill and then activate "show all packages" :)15:38
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Stskeeps(it might take a tiny bit of time to update the list and show it)15:39
aquatixhm, in mer 0.6 i couldn't find the appmgr :)15:40
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Stskeepsaquatix: it's there in 0.7 now :)15:41
Stskeepsjust grab the new VMDK15:41
aquatixk :)15:41
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, Stiil not seeing anything15:41
aquatixwill try later today15:41
aquatixat work now15:41
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: are you connected to the net?15:41
AndrewFBlackStskeeps, lol no15:41
StskeepsAndrewFBlack: well then15:42
Stskeepsconnect first, then start HAM15:42
Stskeeps(i was surprised too.)15:42
Stskeepsit will ask for connection when we have a proper libconic15:42
timelessi kinda killed my mer, it's busy15:44
Stskeepshehe, what are you doing to it?15:44
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StskeepsMeizirkki: re #4062, can you run it in terminal, and run 'merinstall' in /usr/libexec/mer (i think)15:51
AndrewblackStskeeps, You had any trouble connected to a secure wireless network?15:51
StskeepsAndrewblack: WPA2 works for me15:51
MeizirkkiStskeeps: yep15:51
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StskeepsMeizirkki: and then paste the error it generates into the bug15:51
StskeepsAndrewblack: what kind of network?15:51
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Stskeepsafternoon wazd :)15:52
AndrewblackAuthentication type is wpa-psk + wpa2-psk15:52
Stskeepshm, works for me15:53
Andrewblackshould i make it just wpa2-psk15:53
Stskeepsis it hidden SSID?15:53
wazdhello everyone)15:53
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Stskeepswpa2-psk i gues15:53
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MeizirkkiStskeeps:no errors15:57
Meizirkkiit just dies15:57
StskeepsMeizirkki: hmmm.15:57
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StskeepsMeizirkki: well, the last part of the terminal output then :)15:58
Meizirkki! it didn't die now15:58
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Meizirkkii selected mmcblk0p4 for mer, then i selected the same partition for swap (it's my swap-partition usyally) and it didn't die15:59
timelesshey, how do i reconfigure mer to speak en-US?15:59
Stskeepstimeless: well since we don't have other locales than en_GB for hildon, it gets boring :P but edit /usr/bin/start-hildon16:00
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timelessstskeeps: i wrote my own :)16:00
timelessi'd like to use them16:01
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Meizirkkithis is confusing16:01
StskeepsMeizirkki: try make a walkthrough of what causes it to di16:01
MeizirkkiStskeeps: got it16:02
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Meizirkkiit dies when it tries to write bootmenu for external card16:02
Meizirkkiwhen i select partition from internal card, no problem16:03
Stskeepswrite in bug report16:03
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Stskeepsthen we can point b-man to it16:03
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: ping16:05
StskeepsX-Fade: there's a white-page problem on again btw16:08
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X-FadeStskeeps: Yes, I've noticed that too..16:08
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Stskeepswb AndrewFBlack16:09
AndrewFBlackthanks I dropped security on my network going to see if I can get connected now16:10
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: i set bug status as NEW?16:10
AndrewFBlackconnected now16:11
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StskeepsMeizirkki: yeah, sure16:11
AndrewFBlackI'll play with my network settings later and try to get my security back on16:11
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: can you change status to NEW? i get "You tried to change the Status field from UNCONFIRMED to NEW , but only a sufficiently empowered user may change that field."16:12
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StskeepsMeizirkki: k, sure16:13
Meizirkkiok, thanks16:13
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Stskeepsok, 770 users:
r2d2rogersStskeeps: pong, delay... I have a morning meeting on mondays, back in an hour or so16:21
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: alright16:21
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: verify the url just now afterwards if you can :)16:22
Stskeepsor when you have time :)16:22
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Stskeeps.. what on earth is device_symbols.h doing in fontconfig16:56
johnxjust chillin'16:57
qwerty12_N800for maemo mapper?16:57
Stskeepsyou told me, i know, but still16:58
Stskeepsit's a big WTF16:58
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qwerty12_N800yeah, I was doing the same when I compiled :)16:59
timelessqwerty: ok, shall we try again?16:59
timelessjohnx: so...17:01
timelessless repository.mer.tspre.org_dists_alpha_*17:01
timelessis in my history17:01
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qwerty12_N800timeless, may as well17:01
johnxtimeless, and what image is this?17:02
daperlanyone know much about microb/X11 keymappings?17:02
timelessjohnx: actually , maybe it was some tab completion thing17:02
timelessjohnx: let's forget about it17:02
timelessand presume i'm drunk :)17:02
Stskeepswe always do17:02
johnxI'm more curious about how h-d crashed17:02
Stskeepsprolly rotation17:02
timelessjohnx: i ran about 59 instances of dpkg-buildpackage17:03
timelessoh, do i get core dumps?17:03
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timelessjohnx: ok17:03
timelesshow about fixing /proc/sys/kernel/core_*17:04
timelessa value of 'core' is not going to get useful feedback for why h-d crashed17:04
Stskeepsi think core dumps dump in /media/mmc2/core-dumps as usual17:04
timelessstskeeps: it isn't set that way in my mer17:04
Stskeepsin diablo kernel it is like that though17:05
timelesscan you verify w/ your mer that it isn't properly set?17:06
* timeless hates chasing ghosts17:06
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arocsHi ...17:07
qwerty12_N800timeless, btw, select theme dialog says 'pers_fi_label'17:07
timelesshrm, it wasn't supposed to17:07
timelessi specifically translated that17:07
arocs Is it possible to upgrade from maemo 0.6 to maemo 0.7 with apt-get dist-upgrade ?17:07
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timelessoh eww17:08
timelessthat's stupid17:08
timelessok, i guess i can't do that17:08
timelessi tried to replace the string w/ ""17:08
timelessbecause i didn't want it to show anything17:08
timelessi guess that's not considered legal17:08
timelesscan i use " " instead?17:09
timelessbasically i felt that the label was totally useless and wanted to remove it17:09
qwerty12_N800yeah, i did that with battery applet fine17:09
Stskeepsarocs: you mean mer 0.617:09
timelessok, fixing locally17:09
arocssorry --- mer 0.6 to mer 0.7 .. ;)17:09
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aquatixwill those message bubbles get smaller yet?17:10
Stskeepsarocs: no, sorry, docpurge really messes things up, but 0.7 doesnt use docpurge17:10
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arocsumm so i have to reinstall it ...17:11
Stskeepsarocs: yeah, doesn't take long17:11
Stskeeps0.7 won't need it so17:11
Stskeepsthere it's mostly apt-get dist-upgrade17:11
arocsI have created one partition about 4Gb , one of swap , and the rest for mer .. so i have to installed mer with not the default options ..17:15
Stskeepsfair enough, how did you install last time?17:15
timelessqwerty: ok, regrab the zip file17:15
timelesssome stuff should be updated i hope17:15
arocswith mer_installer .. and after i used gparted17:15
timeless(like maybe you could actually install them!)17:15
qwerty12_N800timeless, ok :)17:16
Stskeepsarocs: just mkfs.ext3 your partition again, grab the tar.gz, tar pzvxf it on your partition, and chroot . passwd, to set root password17:16
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timelesshey, is modest available in mer? :)17:20
timeless-- please don't ask me to talk to my mer, it's busy installing stuff -- at a snail's pace17:20
timelessi don't actually want to use a mail client17:21
johnxtimeless, well, the fremantle level modest isn't publicly available17:21
timelessi just want to test my translation17:21
timelessi want the diablo one :)17:21
johnxdunno, if anyone's gotten it working yet17:21
Stskeepstimeless: it depends on operator-wizard which we don't have :P17:22
timeless"depends" or *depends*?17:22
timelessmaking a fake package for that is trivial17:22
Stskeepsbut not sure if it actually hooks into it17:22
timelessProvides: operator-wizard17:23
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, I'll take a look later17:23
qwerty12_N800timeless, no-go :(:
* Stskeeps tries to put MM through ze builder17:24
timelessdid you delete the old debs?17:26
timelessbecause it should have debs named *enus1*17:26
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timelessalso, probably not a great idea to try to install forjx.zip17:26
timelessit isn't a deb :)17:26
qwerty12_N800timeless, these are freshly grabbed ones from your site unzipped into a new folder17:27
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qwerty12_N800I know, I did * out of laziness :)17:27
timelesshrm, looks like something went wrong17:27
timelesslemme figure out where17:27
timelessok, so the zip file i have in mer only contains enus1's17:28
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: *.deb ;)17:29
timelessok, try again17:30
qwerty12_N800aquatix, i know ;). But like i said, * was out of laziness and i know a failed attempt to install a non deb file isn't gonna kill dpkg17:30
* aquatix did * once on a... big dir :)17:31
aquatixwasn't that pleased with the result ;)17:31
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* Stskeeps ponders why not more apps use maemo-launcher in maemo really17:33
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qwerty12_N800it can be a pita sometimes :/ but that said, I added it to epdfview recently without any problems17:34
Stskeepsjesus, i haven't had pita for ages17:34
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, I'd hope not...17:34
aquatixhmmm, pita17:34
RST38hSts: Mostly because adding dbus service is cumbersome and badly explained17:35
RST38hSts: and adding it just for the sake of having a little message box is kinda excessive17:35
qwerty12_N800RST38h, you don't need dbus service for maemo-launcher17:35
StskeepsRST38h: ah, was thinking from performance pov17:35
aquatixis there a way to see what application is behind "that huge maemo-launcher in ps"?17:35
qwerty12_N800timeless, gtk20-l10n-enus1_0.1_all.deb & mediaplayer-legal-l10n-enus1_0.1_all.deb don't install but rest do17:36
RST38hqwerty: Am I correct assuming that the maemo-launcher is what starts my app while displaying "XXX is starting" message?17:36
timelessi'm pretty sure gtk20 worked in my mer... not sure about legal. i'll look17:36
RST38hSts: From performance pov it hardly matters afaik17:36
StskeepsRST38h: it is also a preloader, as in, using tricks to accelerate gtk bootup and such17:36
timelessit's strange anyway17:36
RST38hSts: It is pretty much like "performance gain" from having browserd - hardly noticeable17:37
qwerty12_N800RST38h, no, hildon-desktop does it when you have a dbus service name defined in desktop file regardless whether you use maemo-launcher17:37
RST38hqwerty: Ah17:37
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StskeepsRST38h: ah, when it comes to m-l im inclined to believe it helps, both in terms of shared memory and such :P but im prolly not the right person to discuss it with17:37
RST38hSts: I can probably do the measurements, if we can come up with a clean test case17:38
timelessso, i seem to hav elost hildon stuff17:38
* timeless wonders why17:38
timelessthe noip thing in applets is annoying and buggy17:42
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Stskeepshehe, homeip, you mean :P17:42
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* Stskeeps doesn't mind it, needs to look at eth0 but besides that..17:43
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Meiz_n810timeless: works good for me17:44
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Meiz_n810i'm using wifi-radar btw ;)17:44
Stskeepslo yerga17:44
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* qwerty12_N800 likes iphome applet but it doesn't support transparency17:44
RST38hSts: I know for sure that Python preloader does not help with any of the large Python apps17:44
qwerty12_N800hey yerga17:45
yergaIt seems Mer development is going well17:45
Stskeepsyeah, but still a long way to go :P17:45
yergaKudos to all ;)17:46
RST38hyerga: thanks for Modest patches btw17:46
yergaRST38h, you're welcome ;)17:46
yergait was simple changes to the UI17:46
Stskeepsyerga: i mostly hope that it shows the alternate approach to Maemo that the "maemo reconstructed" posts were about17:46
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dnearyHi there17:47
dnearyJaffa: Ping?17:47
timelessmeiz: try in mer?17:48
Stskeepstimeless: think he is :)17:48
timelessstskeeps: *shrug*, when we try dragging it, it runs to the bottom right corner17:48
timelessand won't leave17:48
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, in the vmdk, i'm aware17:49
timelessoh, and it only syas 'noip'17:49
timelesswhich is hardly helpful17:49
Stskeepsit's cos it's 'eth0' which tablets don't usually have17:49
Stskeepsthe bottom right corner is cos it relies on being in 800x480 i think17:49
timelessit doesn't start there17:49
Stskeepsi'll poke khertan about it later17:49
timelesseach time i try to drag it a bit, it jumps quite a bit to the right+down17:50
Meiz_n810timeless: yes i meant homeip in mer17:50
Stskeepsdoesn't do that in 800x480/on tablet17:50
Zicdoes a port of irssi exist for Maemo ?17:50
Stskeepstimeless: it's a demo of that python-hildondesktop works17:50
timelesszic: ssh+screen+irssi :)17:50
qwerty12_N800Zic, I've put one in extras-devel17:51
dnearySo, anyone have strong opinions about this whole election thing?17:51
Zictimeless: it the method that I already use, but for hacking I need a localhost irssi17:51
Zicqwerty12_N800: ok, thanks!17:51
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RST38hdneary: are we supposed to?17:53
X-Fadeqwerty12_N800: That sopwith game vrings back memories ;)17:53
dnearyRST38h: No requirement, no17:53
dnearyRST38h: I don't want to have people be disenfranchised & disillusioned17:53
RST38hI mean the whole thing is pretty standard and not going to change much at this point17:53
dnearyRST38h: So if you think that any of the things we're discussing now do that, shout17:53
RST38hNow, if our good General were George Bush... :)17:54
genewitchif there's a craigslist ad for an n800 that says "item is locked and cannot be tested" what are the chances that i can just USB connect it and run a firmware update?17:54
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qwerty12_N800X-Fade, I think you mean mikkov :)17:54
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X-Fadeqwerty12_N800: Ah, well you two are uploading all kinds of cool stuff lately ;)17:55
* genewitch will be porting stuff soon too!17:56
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Stskeepstimeless: earlier: kernel.core_pattern = /media/mmc1/core-dumps/%e-%s-%p.core17:56
qwerty12_N800X-Fade, :)17:56
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johnxgenewitch, 100%. kind of suspicious that they're selling something they don't know the lock code to.17:56
timelessstskeeps: in which file?17:56
Stskeepstimeless: sysctl17:56
Stskeepsit's from within kernel default i think17:57
Stskeeps(on N8x0)17:57
timelesson my mer, it says kernel.core_pattern = core17:57
Stskeepsvmdk or tablet version?17:57
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RST38hgenewitch: I would just buy a new N810 off Amazon or buy.com17:58
timelessi guess it was a vmdk17:58
Stskeepstimeless: then it's ubuntu standard i guess17:58
Stskeepswe dont use a special kernel for x86 so17:58
RST38hgenewitch: Buying stuff from unknown people on the Net usually leads to a disappointment17:58
timelessprobably, but you should really just add a line to some part of the boot process which sets it17:58
timelessany part will do17:58
Stskeepsyeah - adding to TODO17:59
johnxRST38h, craigslist = local pickup17:59
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genewitchjohnx: yeah, it is suspicious. it's a good deal, i'm thinking about giving it a shot. i can always ebay for parts if it's DOA17:59
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RST38hjohnx: Ah, then add a scenario of him killing you, cutting you up, and serving as a dinner to other craigslist readers! =)~~18:00
johnxRST38h, delicious18:00
Stskeepsgenewitch: you should verify it has battery inside and check it starts up. the only way it can be locked is through a devicelock message it will show18:00
RST38hjohnx: yep.18:00
genewitchit's possible they got it legally and just couldn't be assed to learn about it.18:00
johnxgenewitch, I'm not suspicious about it working. I'm suspicious about how he came by it18:00
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qwerty12genewitch, is it shown as coming with anything?18:01
genewitchpower supply and case18:01
johnxlol...more than CompUSA gave me18:01
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genewitchman, my shell company has a broken webVPS gateway18:11
genewitchIt will only let me reinstall my server with centos, whereas i have ubuntu18:11
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qwerty12Stskeeps, you'll need to get microb's engine working before you get modest...18:15
Stskeepsqwerty12: lovely18:15
qwerty12And a lot more than operator-wizard come think of it...18:16
Stskeepssometimes it seems like maemo is put together with ducttape :)18:16
Stskeepsas in, loads18:16
qwerty12libebook-dev libedataserver-dev libhildonnotify-dev libtinymail-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-camel-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0-dev libtinymailui-1.0-0-dev libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0-dev libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0-dev wpeditor0 wpeditor-dev microb-engine-dev - the builddeps which cannot be resolved. The good thing is that all those are open sourced :)18:16
Stskeepssomeone hildonize claws.. :P :P18:17
* qwerty12 would personally recommend though to forget the buggy modest and get a proper client instead for Mer18:17
qwerty12Stskeeps, technically, it is hildonized...18:17
genewitchsomeone in here mentioned that you can vmware "mer"18:18
Myrtticlaws ♥18:18
genewitchis that a development environment?18:18
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aquatixStskeeps: nothing wrong with ducttape ;)18:20
aquatixerm, isn't claws already hildonized?18:20
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johnxgenewitch, mer is a replacement distro for the tablet with it's own dev environment18:21
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Stskeepsgenewitch: yes, , it is a disk image so just drag it into VMware18:26
Stskeepsguide is for virtualbox, feel free to make it for VMware18:26
Stskeeps(vmdk is a virtual disk image)18:26
Stskeepsaquatix: well, more touch friendly, then :P18:27
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freelikegnuwiki pages for Mer are looking nice18:27
r2d2rogersStskeeps: I might have killed a card trying to format it in the 77018:27
r2d2rogerstrying to get to the point of checking out the image18:28
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: k18:28
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r2d2rogersit was not due to the image though.18:28
slonopotamusanyone with bootmenu internals knowledge?18:28
Stskeepsslonopotamus: what do you need?18:29
slonopotamuswho and where is supposed to mount devfs in root filesystem?18:29
Stskeepsslonopotamus: devfs? O_o18:29
Stskeepsslonopotamus: udev is doing that18:30
slonopotamus /dev18:30
daperlanyone know much about microb/X11 keymappings?18:30
slonopotamusi managed to run text console. after doing pivot_root bootmenu runs init <dev/console >dev/console18:30
slonopotamusbut there isn't dev/console!18:31
Stskeepsyes, there's a bunch of devices in /dev already18:31
Stskeepsdebootstrap does this for us18:31
Stskeepscp them from maemo maybe18:31
freelikegnuis the hildon environment in the screenshots included in the default .7 install?18:31
slonopotamuserr... or i'm supposed to create it in my rootfs?18:31
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: yes18:32
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes18:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, is it ok to cp it?18:32
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes18:32
aquatixStskeeps: claws-mail works quite ok for me already, but scrolling could be improved18:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, it's some magic file18:32
johnxslonopotamus, it's a device file18:32
johnxuse cp -a18:32
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johnxslonopotamus, until you start udevd you won't have automatically created device files18:32
slonopotamuswhy it didn't use dev/console from initfs?18:33
Stskeepscos it can't properly18:33
slonopotamusi mean <mnt/initfs/dev/console18:33
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johnxyou just did pivot_root right?18:34
slonopotamusand what's the point chrooting to / ?18:34
freelikegnuStskeeps: cool.. I noticed the .8 sprint mention a modern kernel..  what is in .7 and is there a list of packages on the web?18:34
slonopotamusjohnx, not me but bootmenu18:34
johnxfreelikegnu, the diablo kernel is used for .718:35
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slonopotamusjohnx, btw, there's a bug in bootmenu.conf from garage svn. it doesn't handle item_fbmode. that's why i couldn't run text console18:35
johnxfreelikegnu, right now we have a couple user level maemo packages repacked and a large part of ubuntu is installable18:35
daperlon my n810, in platformHTMLBindings.xml i've changed page up and down to the zoom buttons (VK_F7,8), but now i need it to stop zooming in and out. removing viewZoomOverlay.js didn't help.  any ideas?18:35
slonopotamusok, created dev/console, gone for reboot18:36
slonopotamuswish me luck :)18:36
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freelikegnujohnx: wow18:37
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: we use diablo kernel atm18:40
genewitchStskeeps: thanks18:41
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genewitchsomeone snaked that n800 from me18:48
genewitchlucky ducks18:48
genewitchso i'm on the prowl for another one18:48
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johnxwhat was the price for that N800?18:50
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slonopotamusStskeeps, tell me your magic. What did you do so fsck can run at os boot? mine can't, says 'device busy', even if i mount it in readonly mode18:54
slonopotamusit almost boots :)18:54
* slonopotamus almost rocks18:55
genewitchjohnx: $4318:55
* johnx blinks18:55
genewitchpicture showed front and back, no physical damage18:55
qwerty12shit, to think I paid £180 for mine :(18:55
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genewitchi paid $160 for mine last week18:55
johnxqwerty12, but you've gotten more than a year out of it already18:56
johnxgenewitch, you're looking for a spare?18:56
genewitchjohnx: one for my girlfriend18:56
qwerty12johnx, indeed, I know I can't complain now but regrets all the same :)18:56
genewitchfor her birthday that's rapidly approaching18:56
johnxgive her yours and get an n810 :D18:56
genewitchis there any difference other than the keyboard18:57
qwerty12~bitchslap cron18:57
* infobot beats the sh*t out of cron18:57
johnxtransflective screen, gps, 2GB SD card soldered in18:57
johnxbut only 1 miniSDHC slot18:57
slonopotamus~ping Stskeeps18:57
infobotpong Stskeeps18:57
genewitchmine's using a 2gig internal and 8gig sdhc18:58
* lcuk isnt looking forward to the drive home18:58
genewitchtransflective screen i'll look up, but gps sounds good, both my gps receivers have died18:58
slonopotamusjohnx, you use modified bootmenu for mer?18:59
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johnxslonopotamus, we use the bootmenu from fanoush's svn18:59
slonopotamusjohnx, from garage?18:59
johnxgenewitch, gps sounds good. apparently it can be rather slow to lock in some conditions18:59
johnxslonopotamus, errr...i dunno honestly18:59
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slonopotamus~curse the guy who decided to fork bootmenus19:00
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, the guy who decided to fork bootmenus !19:00
slonopotamushehe. i love it19:00
genewitchjohnx: so not so good for geocaching.19:01
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johnxgenewitch, well, some people say it works great. some people say it takes hours to get a lock19:01
johnxI have an n80019:01
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johnxslonopotamus, fanoush's bootmenu is the one everyone uses. we just use an unreleased version19:02
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slonopotamusjohnx, i don't believe you use version from svn, because it's broken. it doesn't handle neither ITEM_LINUXRC nor ITEM_FBMODE correctly19:03
JaffaWhy can't the svn version be broken?19:04
johnxslonopotamus, let me find what we use. one sec19:04
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slonopotamusJaffa, it can. but it means that mer uses something different19:04
Jaffaslonopotamus: ah, so you've built your own version from svn and are having additional problems? Have there been any commits since the mer version was built?19:05
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slonopotamusJaffa, yep, it has bugs. don't know what they used. maybe somebody should vote on making a release19:07
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johnxslonopotamus, I didn't say 'trunk' I said 'svn'19:07
JaffaDon't talk to me about votes ;-)19:07
johnxdid you check the tagged branch available?19:07
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johnx'vote on making a release'? what does that mean?19:08
slonopotamusJaffa, why?19:08
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slonopotamusjohnx, making a release of bootmenu.19:08
Jaffaslonopotamus: see maemo-community19:08
slonopotamusjohnx, nope, i saw that trunk was more fresh and used it19:09
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slonopotamusjohnx, actually i can't remember :)19:09
johnxslonopotamus, did you see that the tag bootmenu_0_1 was committed by stskeeps? :)19:09
slonopotamusjohnx, something made me to use trunk19:09
slonopotamusjohnx, yep, very long time ago as i recall19:09
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* slonopotamus is low on battery.19:10
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* slonopotamus and on gprs money :)19:10
* slonopotamus wonders what will end ffirst19:11
slonopotamusjohnx, will try it.19:12
johnxslonopotamus, actually, hang on19:12
johnxthat doesn't quite look right either19:12
* slonopotamus hang19:12
slonopotamusjohnx, what 'that'?19:12
johnxbut you say that trunk doesn't work right?19:12
johnxversion 1.4?19:13
slonopotamusjohnx, 1.4??? revision 5019:13
johnxyeah, in debian/changelog it says 1.4, but yeah19:13
johnxyou might want to pull from the last time debian/changelog was updated19:13
slonopotamus# svn up19:14
slonopotamusFatal: no entropy gathering module detected19:14
slonopotamusloool :)19:14
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slonopotamusjohnx, i'm using latest trunk revision (50). and it has broken fbmode and no linuxrc support19:16
johnx<johnx> you might want to pull from the last time debian/changelog was updated19:16
johnxwhich is to say, revision 47, the last one that stskeeps committed19:17
slonopotamuswhat does 'pull from the last time' mean?19:17
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: eh, bootmenu svn is the correct one, but i had to do some quick changes when i put it out (nothing fatal)19:21
Stskeepsas in, /trunk19:21
Stskeeps has the source19:21
StskeepsFBMODE i've never seen working :)19:21
slonopotamusthat's what i said :) you're using something different to svn19:21
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: image booted fine, will check out wiki for issues logging19:25
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: k19:26
r2d2rogersdidn't try the linked bootmenu installer, but shouldn't you press the 'menu' key intead of home for getting the advance boot menu?19:26
Stskeepsfeel free to edit wiki :)19:26
r2d2rogersother instructions looked good19:26
r2d2rogerscard is fine BTW, had to reboot 77019:26
r2d2rogersI like the modular page edits... wiki is looking nice19:28
Stskeepshow was the non-swap using 770 btw? did it crash pre-first-boot-wizard or?19:29
* freelikegnu installs Mer .719:29
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Stskeepsfreelikegnu: gluck19:29
Stskeepswhich platform per chance? x86, 770, n8x0?19:30
freelikegnufrom latest diablo19:30
r2d2rogersStskeeps: nope did great, prompted for the swap and just did fine19:30
freelikegnuwhat is the uneeded extra stuff btw?19:30
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: testing stuff in initfs19:31
aba4i7hi, whenever i try to donwnload anything with my brower, like.pdf it will go to this webpage with all these wierd letters and characters, pls help19:31
Stskeepsi believe they probably just reflash initfs, but noone has really understood what it does19:31
johnxaba4i7, it likely means the server doesn't have their mime-type set correctly. tap and hold on the link and select 'safe file'19:32
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aba4i7johnx I will go try...though tap and hold has not been very kind to me lately19:33
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i will disable the fstab part of swap partition in imager then19:34
Stskeepsas it will ask when it finds one19:35
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i will try and make a working wifi driver for you based on the patches i can find around19:37
wazdoh my fucking god)))19:38
wazdMicrosoft is fricking genious :D19:38
freelikegnulol cancelling in the begining of mer install is a bit rough :D19:38
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freelikegnumer advanced install I mean19:39
Stskeepswazd: interesting uses of your wallpaper?19:39
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: hehe, patches welcome19:39
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r2d2rogersr2d2rogers: fstab: sounds good here19:40
r2d2rogerslol at myself19:40
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: fstab: sounds good19:40
wazdStskeeps: nah, intersting uses of MS Songsamith :)19:40
r2d2rogersStskeeps: awesome, thanks19:40
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Stskeepsafter 5 years of use i discover putty's alt-mark text working with squares instead of lines..19:41
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freelikegnuI like the bbl19:54
freelikegnuer just bbl19:54
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* Stskeeps sighs and finds material to defuse a new post that misunderstood some things19:56
johnxin the mer .7 thread?19:57
* Jaffa not been helping, perhaps19:57
Stskeepsah, no, not you, q's19:57
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JaffaAh, I see.20:00
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Stskeepsjohnx: btw, the justifications is my own, just to make things easier on the lawyers20:13
Stskeepsand see why this is needed20:13
johnxStskeeps, editing a bit...20:14
Stskeepsit makes it easier to swallow :P20:14
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Stskeepsanyhow the thread is totally destroyed by now :P no ordinary users will dare to go into that thread now :)20:15
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benson[away]Extraordinary users FTW!20:15
lcukit would be nice to moderate postings within threads to experience/techincal level20:15
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lcuk(like slash does with its mod types)20:16
lcukthen users can come and just see the nice stuff20:16
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slonopotamus_Stskeeps, got correct bootmenu. now tell me, how you manage to pass fsck :)20:20
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Stskeepsslonopotamus_: when do you boot udev? before or after fsck check?20:20
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, before.20:21
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Stskeepsk. you see the boot-basics script in nit-bootmenu-compat of Mer? there's a reason we have a fsck check there. for some f*cked up reason, udev has a hold on the block device, in the dka20:21
Stskeepsdiablo kernel20:21
Stskeepswhich causes it to say device busy or whatever20:22
slonopotamus_hmm. how linux on normal devices work?20:22
Stskeepsboot-basics must be run -before- udev runs, and the pass value for rootfs should be 0 in fstab20:22
Stskeepsin a sane way20:22
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Stskeepsthis is a specific diablo-kernel tablet trick20:22
Stskeepswe called it the fucking fsck bug in deblet20:23
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Stskeepsas it destroyed an install totally :)20:23
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slonopotamus_what install?20:23
Stskeepswell, a fs, as in, made it unbootable20:24
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gnutonHi there20:24
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, tried kernel with patches from muru?20:25
Stskeepsslonopotamus_: not lately, but there's a task for it on Mer sprint list20:25
Stskeepsi am not a kernel hacker.20:25
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slonopotamus_Stskeeps, cool. please, tell me, if there'll be any progress with it.20:26
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Stskeepsslonopotamus_: you're more than welcome to contribute :)20:26
Stskeepswe will hopefully use same kernel for mer and gentoo, so20:26
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, that guy from nosocomia used muru kernel to boot gentoo20:26
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, i'm not a kernel guy either :)20:27
* johnx starves20:27
* Stskeeps passes johnx some noodles20:28
johnxah! good idea20:28
* johnx looks for some instant noodles20:28
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, i don't like that muru patches didn't go upstream, to linux-omap. and their patches didn't go upstream, to linux itself. this patch-on-patch thing is very fragile and abandon-friendly20:28
lcukyou are about to consume some noodles: cancel or allow20:28
Stskeepsslonopotamus_: yeah.. some things sometimes20:29
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, actually i can say the same thing about many maemo packages :)20:30
Stskeepsslonopotamus_: yeah.. :P things would be better with distributed scm prolly20:30
lcukjust goin for tea, johnx, something just occured to me: if i were to position liqbase as an x11 server could i theoretically create fast windows?20:31
Stskeepslcuk: genuinely crazy, now with your own graphics system? ;) (been there ..) :P20:31
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slonopotamus_Stskeeps, about fsck. looks like i just need to set passno to 0 in fstab and gentoo'll be happy. gone for reboot, trying it20:34
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johnxlcuk, an x server is not exactly a small task, but yes. make one for the Xscale 270 integrated framebuffer as well :)20:35
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slonopotamusoh my, oh my!20:40
slonopotamusit booted!20:40
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johnxnice. got a shell?20:40
slonopotamusgot login/password prompt ;)20:41
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johnxnice. did you remember to enable host mode and grab your usb keyboard?20:42
slonopotamusit said it couldn't init random number generator and couldn't sync clock20:42
AStormStskeeps: where can I get Mer installer?20:42
slonopotamusjohnx, no female-female connector20:42
AStormwhat about male-male? ;P20:43
slonopotamusjohnx, don't have any idea where to find it. too rare thing20:43
AStormthen use an extension cord20:43
zakkmusb keyboard work?20:43
slonopotamusAStorm, o_O20:43
zakkmusb keywords work on nokia n800?20:43
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AStormslonopotamus: the trick is that you still want to connect a hub20:44
AStormwhich will may have a female connector20:44
AStorm(find one with this)20:44
* slonopotamus imagines himself in subway with tablet, usb hub and usb keyboard.20:45
AStormno, what for?20:45
AStormn810 has a good enough keyboard for that20:45
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slonopotamusn800 here20:45
AStormand you could use a bluetooth keyboard instead I think20:45
zakkmbluetooth is expensi9ve ;p20:46
AStormoh right20:46
johnxAStorm, it's a little tough to get that up before you even have a GUI running :P20:46
AStormand a powered usb hub is not?20:46
AStormjohnx: I have some time20:46
zakkmyou need a powered usb hub?20:46
slonopotamushmm... bluetooth... Stskeeps, is it hard to make bt keyboard to work?20:46
zakkmaccording to tabletschool blog i just need a female to female adapter20:46
johnxAStorm, ah, sorry, I mean it's tough to get a tablet paired with a bt keyboard before you have a GUI running :)20:47
johnxAStorm, mer on the other hand is really easy ;D20:47
zakkmjohnx: is mer functional enough yet?20:47
johnxslonopotamus, not once you're in X20:47
AStormslonopotamus: no, it should work out-of-the-box20:47
johnxzakkm, functional enough for what?20:47
zakkmdaily usage20:47
AStormeven in console it's possible20:47
johnxzakkm, nope20:48
AStormof course, you need a shell to set it up20:48
johnxAStorm, right, you need a keyboard :P20:48
slonopotamusi can prepare it in chroot :P20:48
AStormbut on n800 you're usually not spending any time in console20:49
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slonopotamusand reboot, reboot :)20:49
johnxAStorm, unless you're trying to install gentoo :)20:49
lcukjohnx, Stskeeps certainly not after doing it (I know nothing about x11)20:49
zakkmgentoo pwns :D20:49
AStormjohnx: I may, but not necessarily at once20:49
slonopotamusjohnx, well, it kinda works :)20:50
StOrM_NWhi, anyone know what i have to do to kill the connection manager (the symbol with the wifi icon) that appears at status-bar20:50
lcukbut at least knowing that the server side only is half the work is good20:50
StOrM_NWany help really appreciate20:50
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johnxStOrM_NW, why are you trying to do that (it's a little tricky)20:50
slonopotamusit will be hard to test x from chroot, i guess20:50
StOrM_NWi m trying to change the characteristics of the wlan0 ... i m trying to change the mode to ad-hoc20:51
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slonopotamus1. keyboard. 2. usbnet. 3. wifi. 4. bluetooth. 5. x. need to choose some order :)20:51
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AStormStOrM_NW: uh, standard driver doesn't support wireless extensions well if at all20:51
StOrM_NWand i m thinking that it is changing it back to managed mode20:51
AStormyou need the new one, cx3310x20:51
lcukStOrM_NW, couldnt you just use the UI for setting up a connection type (I use wifi adhoc)20:52
AStormthat's actually the daemon doing it20:52
johnxStOrM_NW, why not use connection manage to change mode to ad-hoc?20:52
AStormyes, use the UI20:52
lcukyou can setup multiple connections and choose which you want20:53
StOrM_NWbecause we are trying to run an own application that creates a mesh network using ad-hoc mode20:53
StOrM_NWso the connection manager is changing the behavior of it20:53
lcukstorm, break the problem down then - get the software to create its own connection profile, then connect using that profile20:54
* lcuk has a mini mesh net wherever he goes20:54
StOrM_NWor i can do it really faster killing the application ... i think its better than rewrite the code to do this profile ... the application is running on openmoko too ... so i guess its more fast to kill the application and control the wlan0 using the wireless-tools by my own20:55
StOrM_NWwhat the name of the application that control the connetion?20:56
johnxStOrM_NW, did you have a look in the scripts in /etc/init.d ?20:56
StOrM_NWand where can i get this new drivers?20:56
johnxI'll look for you in a second though20:56
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johnxa driver with better WE support is available in the mer repo20:56
johnxone sec20:56
lcuklibconic isnt it20:57
johnxah, it's icd20:57
johnxdunno the process name20:57
slonopotamusjohnx, gimme please link to mer bootmenu once more. lost it at reboot20:58
johnxslonopotamus, you should start keeping IRC logs :)20:59
slonopotamusuh... sorry20:59
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johnxStOrM_NW, /etc/init.d/icd221:00
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johnxStOrM_NW, that's the init script for the connection manager21:00
slonopotamusjohnx, why you have repository.t.o and packages.t.o?21:01
StOrM_NWthe icon is still there21:01
slonopotamusjohnx,  it seems to be dead21:01
johnxslonopotamus, don't ask me :P it's based on when Stskeeps was doing something21:01
johnxslonopotamus, what's dead?21:01
slonopotamusnope, just slow21:01
slonopotamus1.4 or 1.5-1?21:02
johnxStOrM_NW, did you just run that command? or did you kill the process it starts?21:02
slonopotamusjohnx, all ok21:02
StOrM_NWrootsh /etc/init.d/icd2 stop?21:02
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johnxStOrM_NW, did that run without errors?21:03
Stskeepsevening roope21:03
Jaffalo roope21:03
AStormStskeeps: any gotchas?21:03
StOrM_NWbut the icon is still ther21:03
johnxStOrM_NW, yeah, but it shouldn't do anything anymore21:04
johnxStOrM_NW, the connection manager has a daemon process and a statusbar applet21:04
StOrM_NWah ok, i m going to try to run the application right now21:04
StOrM_NWah ok21:04
StskeepsAStorm: all listed in the page under "known issues" and "advanced install" is a bit buggy21:04
StOrM_NWand can ya provide me the mer repository url?21:04
Stskeepssimple install should be good, and clone-to-SD is more problematic21:04
StOrM_NWi really appreciate the help21:05
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johnxStOrM_NW, ah sorry. totally forgot :)
StOrM_NWreally thanks21:05
slonopotamusStskeeps, johnx, guys, you rock. without you i wouldn't have such progress21:05
AStormStskeeps: what about running it on the device for hardcore people?21:06
StskeepsAStorm: scroll down..21:06
johnxslonopotamus, we're all standing awkwardly on the shoulders of giants :)21:06
AStormStskeeps: so, it should work it seems, excellent21:06
StskeepsAStorm: mer 0.7 runs on my tablet without funny tricks, so :P21:07
StskeepsAStorm: still working on a rootfs version through (direct boot, no initfs)21:07
AStormthe kernel is the same 2.6.21?21:07
Stskeepswe use bootmenu (atm)21:08
Stskeepswe will love people trying more modern kernels though21:08
AStormI'd love a nice and new latest release of linux-omap21:08
Stskeepsi just don't have the head for those experiments21:08
AStormthe problem is that I'll need a rebuild of xorg-video-omapfb or equivalent21:08
AStormwith new kernel headers21:08
Stskeepswe use same omapfb on 770 and n8x021:09
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AStormvery much, last time it croaked21:09
AStormsome numbers have changed21:09
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StskeepsAStorm: fairly easy to recompile though21:11
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StskeepsAStorm: honestly though i think we may be compiling towards modern kernel headers..21:11
infoboti heard infobot is me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (, or updated sources at, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome.21:12
StskeepsGet:4 jaunty/main linux-libc-dev 2.6.28-2.3 [667kB21:12
Stskeepsis what it is built for21:13
Stskeepsand works on older kernels it seems21:13
AStormmmh good21:13
AStormit might work with 2.6.28-omap too21:13
slonopotamusStskeeps, tell me, do you have a cleanup policy for r.t.o?21:14
Stskeepsslonopotamus: hm?21:14
slonopotamusStskeeps, should i make a backup copy of packages i use from there or not?21:14
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes, you ought to21:14
Stskeepsbut really, use our bzr branches for Mer instead21:15
Stskeepsthey're more updated21:15
AStormStskeeps: now, I should refresh my deb packaging skills and help you guys out21:15
AStormbut first, finish a certain document (tedium)21:16
* slonopotamus experiences some network troubles21:16
StskeepsAStorm: more than welcome to help21:16
AStormfinish the doc, show the project to the lab chief, wreak havoc ;)21:17
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slonopotamusStskeeps, i need tarballs to write ebuilds21:18
Stskeepsslonopotamus: ah.21:18
slonopotamusStskeeps, and too lazy to repackage them once again :)21:19
Stskeepsslonopotamus: then yes, mirror them somewhere21:19
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slonopotamusStskeeps, k. do you have rsync or something like that? i could setup a mirror.21:19
Stskeepswell, i am only going to update 'installer' dist of repository.tspre.org21:20
Stskeepsbut you may want to wget -r it for safekeeping21:20
Stskeepswait, p.t.o or r.t.o?21:21
Stskeeps( or
slonopotamusStskeeps, r.t.o.  i'm very interested in pool21:21
Stskeepsmm - that one is very fast pace and the policy is to erase old version when new one comes in21:22
slonopotamuswhat the heck is p.t.o?21:22
Stskeepsdeblet's repo21:22
slonopotamusdeblet is abandoned, isn't it?21:22
Stskeepsyeah, but doesn't mean i don't keep the packages up :P21:23
slonopotamushowever bootmenu is there and not in r.t.o21:23
Stskeepsyeah, cos i had bootmenu there already and needed stuff :P21:23
Stskeepsbootmenu is (hopefully) moving to extras-devel either in 0.8 or 0.921:23
slonopotamusi simply need permalink to source tarball :)21:24
Stskeepsnot sure how easy that is :)21:24
johnxslonopotamus, why not check out a set bzr revision and tar it up?21:24
johnxaka use launchpad's bandwidth not ours :P21:25
slonopotamusjohnx, you did that already :)21:25
johnxheh. well it's just going to cause you headaches if old versions disappear...21:25
slonopotamusok, i'll mirror stuff that i use21:26
johnxI mean there's no way that gentoo can keep up with the development pace of a debian-based distro ...21:26
* johnx runs21:26
slonopotamusyou should put bootmenu tarball to garage and be happy21:26
* GeneralAntilles sits down wearily.21:27
* slonopotamus hacks.21:27
JaffaGeneralAntilles: long day?21:27
johnxI'm quite happy :) just got my xserver-kdrive package done for zubuntu :)21:27
Stskeepsjohnx: or MerZ? ;>21:27
GeneralAntillesJaffa, got caught in Superbowl traffic on the way home and missed class.21:27
johnxpoke Omegamoon. I'll have some packages for you tomorrow :)21:27
JaffaGeneralAntilles: ah21:28
GeneralAntillesJaffa, lots of RVs. ;)21:28
johnxStskeeps, Zer? maurus?21:28
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johnxGeneralAntilles, RVs? you mean moving slalom cones?21:28
Omegamoonjohnx: that's great!21:29
* RST38h moos slightly21:29
RST38hHeya General, johnx, Jaffa21:29
Stskeepsjohnx: or just call it Mer, in the spirit of Mer being multiplatform :P21:29
Jaffajohnx: Isn't it just "Mer"? It's not mer8621:29
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JaffaOr Meremo21:29
AStormuh, no21:30
johnxStskeeps, well really, it's aimed at vanilla ubuntu. but yeah, of course it will be part of Mer for the Zaurus21:30
johnxOmegamoon, needs some polishing, but that shouldn't be a problem (famous last words)21:30
GeneralAntillesjohnx, too tightly packed for that today, unfortunately. :(21:30
johnxGeneralAntilles, sad :( I can see how that could be draining21:30
GeneralAntillesjohnx, :P21:31
GeneralAntillesI did manage to catch up on all of my NPR podcasts, though.21:31
slonopotamuswhat's up with 'cpp somewhat broken' in mer sdk? :)21:31
slonopotamusfrom 0.7 release notes21:31
Stskeepsslonopotamus: as in binaries break when building in SB (C++)21:31
Stskeepsslonopotamus: if you can generate me an updated cross-compilation toolchain like codesourcery's, i would love you21:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, remember my words :) slow is better than broken21:32
Stskeepsthat match the proper libc that ubuntu uses21:32
slonopotamushow do you compile cpp stuff then?21:33
Stskeepsslonopotamus: natively21:33
Stskeepsslonopotamus: oh, i am still pondering to write an article on "Scratchbox: Defining the platform or accelerator"21:33
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: we do x86 -> armel sb and if sb fails -> armel sb21:33
Stskeepsarmel qemu21:33
slonopotamusarmel qemu != scratchbox?21:34
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slonopotamusi thought there's qemu inside scratchbox, nope?21:34
Stskeepsthere is, but scratchbox is weird. SB2 would be a blessing if it worked correctly.21:34
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slonopotamus'if it worked correctly' :)21:35
StskeepsSB1 is ok compared to SB2. :P21:35
slonopotamusyou want cross-toolchain?21:35
johnxStskeeps, what sort of machine is the qemu builder running on right now?21:35
Stskeepslemme see..21:35
qwerty12_N800sb1 is the shit compared to sb221:35
Omegamoonjohnx: can you upload the packages somewhere?21:35
Stskeepsjohnx: model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz21:36
slonopotamusStskeeps, if my toolchain managed to build bootable system, is it ok?21:36
johnxOmegamoon, I spoke too soon, still have one thing to work out. Also, it's all the kdrive servers not just xfbdev21:36
johnxOmegamoon, I need to split it into a multiple-binary package21:36
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slonopotamushowever i21:36
slonopotamuswrong button21:37
Stskeepsslonopotamus: x86 toolchain building yours?21:37
Stskeeps(for armel)21:37
slonopotamusStskeeps, uh? i built armel gentoo from x86_64 from sources21:38
Stskeepsslonopotamus: ah :)21:38
slonopotamusStskeeps, using crosscompiler built from source21:38
Stskeepsslonopotamus: what libc?21:38
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slonopotamusStskeeps, 2.7 i guess. i don't think it's difficult to use older one21:39
Stskeepsok - we use 2.8 in SDK and 2.9 in ubuntu which is the problem21:40
johnxOmegamoon, hey, looks like that fixed it :) got someplace for me to upload to?21:40
slonopotamusStskeeps, lemme check21:40
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: and i would love a cross-compilation gcc similar to ubuntus libc and gcc level :P21:41
Stskeeps(i am an idiot in that field, tbh)21:42
slonopotamusStskeeps, hmm... it's a bad idea to use different libc for binary-based distro21:42
Stskeepsyes, it is21:42
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slonopotamusStskeeps, yes, i used 2.7. it's current stable in gentoo21:42
slonopotamusStskeeps, why you can't use 2.9 in sb?21:43
Stskeepsslonopotamus: oh, i want to use 2.9, but the toolchain i have is for libc 2.821:43
slonopotamusdoes 2.9 has releases?21:43
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Stskeeps , ,
slonopotamusStskeeps, well. ubuntu is built somehow :) it means they have toolchain21:45
Stskeepsthey build natively21:45
Stskeepsprolly based on debian armel armv4t one21:45
slonopotamuswell, if native is not slow even to them... :)21:46
Stskeepsthey seem to have a nice cluster of fast builders so :P21:46
slonopotamusStskeeps, tried tto become friends with them? :)21:47
bensonSo we need to hack their network and hijack their build cluster.21:47
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bensonslonopotamus: or that.21:47
Stskeepsbenson: i wouldn't mind :P21:47
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slonopotamusbzr is slow. use git21:48
w00tsts likes to hold his mojo in his hands quite often21:48
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: oh, we would but waiting for some feature requests :)21:48
* benson imagines Nokia donating a beowulf cluster of returned N810Ws...21:48
Stskeepsbenson: .. also possible21:48
w00tslonopotamus: you like git?21:48
JaffaAnyone tried distcc on a tablet?21:48
StskeepsJaffa: yeah, we used that in deblet or in the start of M-R PoC21:49
slonopotamusw00t, i like its speed21:49
StskeepsJaffa: DISTCC'ing to a crosscompiler21:49
johnxbenh, we'd just need to find power outlets for them and distribute them around balitmore and DC :D21:49
w00tslonopotamus: hmm, careful answer :P21:49
slonopotamusw00t, bzr on tablet is annoingly slow21:49
j_stutcan any one tell me if scratch box will run on fedora 10 or is it just a bad idea seeing that much of the linux kernel on the nokia s is more or less debian based21:49
zakkmkernel isnt distro specific :P21:49
johnxhey rm_you :D21:49
* Stskeeps kidnaps rm_you for coding work.21:49
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j_stutis that a... its ok!21:50
w00tslonopotamus: bzr *anywhere* is annoyingly slow, the one time I tried to use it, I gave up after 3 attempts at importing a repository that lasted well over 8 hours.. though I mostly blame sourceforge for that.21:50
zakkmdont know scratchbox, but kernel has nothing to do with the distro21:50
slonopotamusw00t, and git is fast everywhere :) even with powersave governor21:50
* Meiz_n810 installs WiFi radar (again)21:51
rm_youcurrently still flailing at OSX21:51
zakkmosx rules21:51
rm_youthere isn't a working driver for my wireless yet :(21:51
rm_youthe intel 4xxx a/g/n21:51
rm_youoff the retail DVD tho21:52
zakkmgive me full name, ill find you21:52
rm_younot one of those hacked up distros21:52
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rm_youi have a real license for the OS :)21:52
johnxrm_you, so take a break and do some work on Mer :)21:52
rm_youi guess technically i'm breaking the EULA by installing on a toshiba, but not pirating :)21:52
zakkmso do i , its just not from Apple ;p21:52
zakkmbad humor21:53
rm_youjohnx: lol, you wanna see my todo list for today?21:53
johnxsure. I'll tell you what you can skip :)21:53
lcukedit it for family viewing21:53
rm_youi'm playing with OSX cause it's feasible to do inside 10 minute breaks21:53
* slonopotamus uses completely rebuild from source gentoo and doesn't care of eulas :)21:53
zakkminside 10 minute breaks?21:54
johnxslonopotamus, you say that, but you can't even distribute a fully working distro :)21:54
johnx(because of EULAs I mean)21:54
AndrewFBlackanyone got address for maemo extras handy?21:54
rm_youyeah i have like 10 minutes at a time free between tasks :/21:54
slonopotamusjohnx, uh? i'll have small manual installation guide. gentoo users are ok with this21:55
lcukis there a quiet corner where i can go and scream very loudly21:55
johnxlcuk, not in this country ...21:55
slonopotamuslcuk, yep. /msg infobot <whatever you want>21:56
Stskeeps <- should i go hide in a corner and think this thing blew up way too much in the wrong way?21:56
johnxStskeeps, how does he get here *so fast* sometimes? O_o21:57
lcukcos he has a cape21:58
JaffaStskeeps: it's a good thing21:58
StskeepsJaffa: yeah, but i also misunderstood they were asking about the 3rd party stuff..21:58
RST38hSts: hiding sounds like a good strategy right now21:58
johnxStskeeps, me too O_o21:59
lcukStskeeps, am i also right in thinking its best to keep binaries to a bare minimum anyway: if this is wanted on multiplatforms anything binary will need to be resourced anyway21:59
RST38hSts: 'cause whatever Quim says, a flame war with conspiracy accusations against Nokia is almost guaranteed21:59
johnxlcuk, definitely agreed there. :)22:00
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Stskeepslcuk: yes, i agree, i am mostly for HW interfacing only blobs, but that's me22:00
johnxlcuk, the plan is for the base image to be all free software, with an optional -full image containing non-free things22:00
lcukim with you - i would rather have a blob driver than no working hardware (pvr has been shouted for a long time)22:00
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lcukjohnx, but where would those non free things come from22:01
Stskeepsthere's one thing i wonder about - they said powervr driver would breach GPL, but doesn't umac.ko too technically?22:01
lcukquim is right in what he says, 3rd party software is not applicable22:01
johnxlcuk, Nokia?22:01
RST38hSts: How do they both breach gpl,22:02
StskeepsRST38h: closed source ko?22:02
RST38hSts: They just prevent you from labelling the whole system gpl22:02
lcukjohnx, nokia developed closed portions are one thing - thats already ok, but flash isnt22:02
RST38hSts: But you can perfectly well follow nokia's example and release two blobs22:02
RST38hSts: One is Mer and another Mer-Close-Source-Binaries22:02
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johnxlcuk, yeah, flash will likely have to be via a symlink or a package created on the end-user's device22:03
* timelE61i sighs22:03
* Stskeeps eyes the vodka22:03
JaffaQuim says he's specifically talking about Flash.22:03
timelE61iwe finally got mer working w/ my debs22:03
StskeepstimelE61i: how does it work?22:03
RST38hscrew flash22:03
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RST38hwhoever wants flash will be able to install it separately22:04
lcukjohnx, thats a big problem though and playing by the word of an agreement and using backhanded tricks to get dodgy software in is another22:04
RST38hthe burden of violating licenses will then rest at whoever installs flash22:04
lcukits like the problem with maemo-mapper22:04
lcuknudge nudge, wink wink theres a map respoisitory somewhere22:04
johnxlcuk, first-boot-wizard asks: Would you like me to link flash into rootfs? Yes? No?22:05
Jaffalcuk/johnx: why second guess? Ask for ability to merge Flash plugin with mer images distributed through Nokia-controlled, EULA-binded pages and see what the response is.22:05
* RST38h just fucked up MSDOS keyboard handler. Have to restore it22:05
Jaffajohnx: where from though? Or is the thought now that merinstaller is more useful than a flashable image?22:05
johnxyeah, that's what we were thinking anyways22:05
johnxJaffa, don't ask me right now. this is me just kind of thinking freely not doing long-term planning22:06
* Jaffa doesn't want to faff copying maps to & from his /media/mmc2, which is why he's not installed mer image yet (that and VirtualBox works :-))22:06
* GeneralAntilles responds to gcobb's bit about contributors vs users.22:07
timelE61istskeep: pretty well, i needed to poke one file+apps, i'll make a deb for that shortly22:07
StskeepstimelE61i: 5.0 or 6.0 debs btw?22:08
StskeepsJaffa: on the plus side qgil directly says "want nokia binaries? sure!"22:09
Stskeeps(more or less)22:09
timelE61iwho owns the cpu meter from mer?22:10
Stskeepsno idea who made it actually :P22:10
etrunkoinfobot: seen chelli22:10
infobotchelli <n=chelli@debian/developer/tschmidt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 54d 23h 7m 48s ago, saying: ':)'.22:10
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timelessjaffa: would you mind if i made a component for load applet in bugzilla?22:14
timelessmer ships it, and it's buggy :)22:14
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StskeepsOK, from Mer perspective and from you people's point of view, did I try to respond correctly in my post at , cos i'm getting close to a minor heart attack over the potential mess / potential damage to the opening :P22:19
wazdRST38h: "No keyboard found. Press "Esc" to continue" :)22:20
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johnxStskeeps, don't worry about it :) this is just qole, qoling :)22:20
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bensonI think you did ok; at least you hit the substantive points, instead of the facetious statement at the end. ;)22:21
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Jaffatimeless: sounds sensible; assuming someone's going to follow up on them22:23
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timelessjaffa: ok, i'll do it in a few mins22:25
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lcukStskeeps, its an ugly subject, but it needs airing completely22:26
RST38hwazd: What says that?22:26
RST38hAh, yes, I know22:26
RST38hwazd: Had a Bondwell portable once that said "Keyboard error. Smash any key to continue."22:26
lcukwe will have a mer soon which will shot a broken screen22:27
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* wazd is trying to make OMWeather adorable for third-party weather sources22:29
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johnxwazd, adding in a way to display banner ads?22:32
AStormlcuk: the one with jaws and failboat? ;)22:32
wazdjohnx: well, sort of22:33
wazdjohnx: Try to adopt design to show their logos on detailed view22:33
wazdjohnx: without annoying22:34
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lcukwe should just leave a small area in the bottom corner of the nit for sponsorship logos - like a tv station :D have a watermark22:35
lcukmind you, we could just use the bezel of the hardware22:36
lcuk"please change this facia sticker every 2 weeks according to our advertizer22:36
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wazdlcuk: well, I have an idea that will fit both users and forecast-providers)22:38
wazdlcuk: if not - they are fricking assholes and they shoud burn in hell, greedy bastards)22:39
lcukhot bikini models rendered in glorious 3d?22:39
StOrM_NWwhat package has the program depmod ?22:39
lcukcos thats what *I* as a user would want22:39
wazdlcuk: damn, was it already done?(22:40
lcuknot on nokias22:40
lcukinfact ive not heard about anything adult oriented22:40
qwerty12_N800StOrM_NW, it's not installable as a package thanks to busybox. grab a binary from
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lcukwhen we get a nice high resolution camera i imagine we may require a secret vault for private pics22:41
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lcukwho wants to guess how much memory we will have?22:42
bensonI haven't tried it, but hot-babe should work.22:42
lcukerrr drive space22:42
lcukbut wouldnt she tear?22:42
bensonDon't think so.22:43
lcukqwerty12_N800, fancy packaging something up?22:44
benson"undress" is best translated as "close dissolve"22:44
infobotbenson meant: "undress" is best translated as "clothes dissolve"22:44
qwerty12_N800lcuk, kinda hard as I'm on the tablet now...22:44
bensonNo animation, just layers changing transparency.22:44
wazdwell, then we shoud have a media plugin for redtube or something xD22:44
* freelikegnu boots mer for the first time ^^22:45
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: good luck :)22:45
timelessGenerating locales...22:45
timeless en_GB.UTF-8... up-to-date22:45
timeless en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date22:45
timeless  fi_FI.UTF-8... memory exhausted22:46
timelesss/  / /22:46
infobottimeless meant:  fi_FI.UTF-8... memory exhausted22:46
freelikegnugenerating ssh key22:46
timelessGeneration complete.22:46
Stskeepstimeless: vmdk? :P22:46
lcukhey, hang on22:46
lcukit doesnt have a ./configure section22:46
AStormtimelE61i: generate me pl_PL.UTF-8 too22:46
Stskeepstimeless: put more ram in the VM? ;)22:46
lcukand there are 5 pngs denoting her in a different state of undress :D22:46
Jaffawazd: redtube?22:46
AStorm(pl_PL using en_GB names for now)22:47
timelessstskeeps: i'm assuming it's a random failure :)22:47
timelessi.e. stupid error message for something unrelated22:47
AStormtimeless: so, care to generate me pl_PL.UTF-8?22:47
timelessnot really22:48
JaffaInteresting comment #8 from Eero on #2399; suggests that Fremantle won't be using jffs2 (hang on, did we already know?)22:48
timelessi'm just trying to get en_US correct22:48
timelessjaffa: that's right22:48
timelessnokia's been contributing to ubifs for a while22:48
timelessthis is well known22:48
freelikegnuhmm no onscreen kb came up for password confirm, and cancelling just contiued on :o22:48
Jaffatimeless: he then goes on to say it's even harder for ubifs ;-)22:48
timelesswell, for some weak definition of well known :)22:48
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AStormgood, because jffs2 is... a filesystem ;P22:48
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yen, me knew.22:48
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infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, yen, we knew.22:48
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, yes, me knew.22:49
* timeless rotfl22:49
* GeneralAntilles recalibrating. . . .22:49
AStormbtw, can we have a true block device emulation with wear levelling?22:49
timelesslofifs ?22:49
AStormno, not a filesystem22:49
AStormmore like device-mapper22:50
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: you need to manually click HIM up22:50
AStorma block device22:50
timelessif a device is just a pointer to a file22:50
timelessthen you now have a "block device"22:50
Stskeeps'I.e. on Fremantle user files are planned to be elsewhere than on rootfs.22:50
timelesswhich would be wear leveled22:50
Stskeepsthey're going to be on the FAT partition, btw22:50
Stskeepsof the internal MMC22:50
timelessstskeeps: right22:50
timelesscalling it an mmc bothers me22:50
Jaffathe mahoosive one?22:50
timelessbut yes, that thing22:50
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AStormtimeless: that's loopback22:51
freelikegnuStskeeps: HIM?22:51
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: hildon input method :)22:51
AStormyes, I could use dm-loop22:51
Stskeeps(the on screen keyboard)22:51
AStormbut I'd prefer something more low-level22:51
freelikegnuclicking text input area worked for other requestors22:51
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Stskeepsfreelikegnu: k, file a bug if you can (or is johnx listening in?)22:52
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freelikegnuStskeeps: will do... btw, I love the NetworkManager integration :D22:53
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: what did you experience exactly?22:53
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: mm, it's a hack22:53
johnxcancelling continued?22:53
freelikegnuwell I got HIM for user name and password setting dialogs by tapping on the input area22:54
freelikegnubut tapping on the text input area for password verification did not bring up HIM22:54
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johnxso you cancelled the confirm screen? then what happened?22:55
timelessbtw, have you locale deprived people looked at  ?22:55
freelikegnuso I tapped cancel (I think) and the setup just contiuned on22:55
dieb_Hi, how can I make an osso systemnote that has that "loading" gif?22:55
freelikegnuas if it confirmed ok22:55
johnxdid it assign you the password you picked first time?22:56
dieb_(in python)22:56
freelikegnunot sure, I'll check22:56
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AndrewFBlackif anyone need some free webspace for a Maemo Project I''m reopening Maemobox this week22:56
StOrM_NWhey johnx the new driver worked perfect ... really thanks for the help22:57
StOrM_NWwifi driver cx31xx22:57
qwerty12_N800dieb_, ?22:57
johnxStOrM_NW, thank Stskeeps for the driver patch :)22:57
StOrM_NWyep thanks Stskeeps :)22:58
johnxStOrM_NW, glad to hear it :) you should post somewhere about your mesh networking project. sounds quite interesting22:58
dieb_qwerty12_N800, great, thanks! :)22:59
freelikegnuhmm network connections has me stuck for a keyring permission22:59
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StOrM_NWyep ... it is still in development phase, but as soon as it goes stable i will post something about it22:59
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: huh? 0.7?23:00
johnxfreelikegnu, anyways, I'm gonna get some sleep for now, but I'll check out f-b-w in more depth tomorrow23:00
freelikegnuhave a good sleep johnx!23:00
StOrM_NWlater johnx23:00
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: something prolly screwed up in f-b-w then :P23:00
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freelikegnuStskeeps: yeah there is a blank window for network connections and trying to move show a hidden window requesting permission to access keyring :o23:01
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: try press the unlock thing23:02
ezadkiel_mBhi guys, I got a question about debugging an application on an n810 any information would be greatly appreciated.23:02
lcukomg wtf lol!23:02
lcukhot-babe is amusing23:02
lcukthis technology is very useful23:03
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lcukand should be showcased more23:03
freelikegnufortunately load applet let me kill NM23:03
freelikegnuit appears the password I had entered was used depite the verification23:04
qwerty12_N800lcuk, getting sprung over cartoons doesn't really appeal to me :p23:04
freelikegnuI was able to set passwd in xterm23:05
lcukits for the tech - its fast animation23:05
lcukanyway bbl after 2423:05
r2d2rogersStskeeps: was the wifi driver for N8x0 that StOrM_NW referenced?23:05
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: yeah23:05
Stskeepsi am compiling up one atm23:05
r2d2rogersStskeeps: good deal, just trying to make sure I was paying attention ;)23:06
aquatixhm, is slightly broken, or am I?23:07
b-manStskeeps: hmm, that's a strange bug :p i'll look into it ;)23:08
freelikegnualso  odd that I was able to connect to WPA once but it fails thereafter23:09
Stskeepsaquatix: white pages once in a while23:10
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Stskeepsfreelikegnu: yeah, the cx3110x driver is a bit funny23:10
aquatixStskeeps: i have emtpy articles and such23:10
aquatixwith empty comments23:10
Stskeepsaquatix: relaod23:10
freelikegnuStskeeps: understood :D23:11
aquatixsame issue23:11
* aquatix makes screenshot23:11
freelikegnustill I think this is really great23:11
wazdlads, what do you think:
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* b-man starts to compile/build up some more packages for ubuntu n8x0 repo and looks into the merinstaller bug :)23:12
qwerty12_N800wazd, looking good23:12
Stskeepsaquatix: neat :P23:13
aquatixwazd: slick23:13
wazdWould foreca be satisfied with that stuff?)23:13
aquatixStskeeps: depends on your definitions ;)23:13
freelikegnuwhen WPA fails the authentication requestor comes up for WPA password but shows a very long hex string instead of the password I put in23:13
freelikegnumaybe it thinks its connecting to WEP?23:14
Stskeepspossible - there's an error when it has time to sleep23:14
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aquatixfreelikegnu: i didn't follow your complete issue, but it's regular wpa you're connecting to?23:14
Stskeepstry drop it in and modprobe -a23:14
Stskeepser, depmod -a23:14
aquatixfreelikegnu: ok23:15
aquatixas radius stuff gives you wep keys and such23:15
freelikegnunope just basic home WPA-PSK23:15
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freelikegnudoh blank desktop on rotation23:17
freelikegnuis there a button combo for power off/reboot23:18
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Stskeepsit's UI tricks23:18
aquatixctrl+alt+del? :)23:18
* freelikegnu winces as he removes the battery23:18
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freelikegnuno kb on my n800, aquatix ;-)23:19
aquatixmeh ;)23:19
Stskeepsfreelikegnu: i pop battery often23:19
* freelikegnu is spoiled23:19
AStormaquatix: no del button :P23:19
aquatixfreelikegnu: maybe try holding the power button first23:19
aquatixAStorm: i'm aware :)23:19
AStormnext device should better have a hardware reboot button23:20
AStormand/or hardware power button23:20
freelikegnuall buttons are soft mapped on n800, no?23:20
AStormthey're accessed over GPIO23:20
freelikegnusoft blobs too eh?23:20
AStormall of them23:21
freelikegnuthe access to power button is not open software?23:21
AStormit is23:21
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AStormit's available over GPIO23:21
freelikegnuhah it rebooted with a wifi connectio23:21
AStormthe problem is, it's all done in software23:21
freelikegnugonna grab wpa supplicant while I can23:21
AStormI mean, handling the press23:21
AStormno hardware "hold for 4s to powerdown"23:22
AStormfunny, because there is power-on23:22
AStormnot funny when you crash the device and have to yank the battery23:22
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: keep me updated with if it works at all :)23:23
* aquatix crashes into his bed23:23
aquatixnn all23:23
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freelikegnuAStorm: its kind of embarrassing during a crowded train ride23:24
freelikegnuthey see the GNU sticker on my battery cover23:24
wazdwell, if I were forecast provider - I'd be proud for having such a cool informer absolutely for free)23:25
wazdBut they all are greedy bastards, you'll see23:25
AStormfreelikegnu: it doesn't happen that often live23:25
AStormbut often enough in development23:25
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* freelikegnu installs firefox 23:32
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FireFoxfreelikegunn: hehe23:37
r2d2rogersStskeeps: the umac.ko need to be copid over instead of symlinked?23:37
FireFoxre: freelikegnu - sorry23:37
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freelikegnuheh  bbl23:40
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RST38hArghh, Ubuntu decided to upgrade gcc23:41
RST38hPossibilities for disaster boggle the mind23:41
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abiwordhelp! I can't do tap and hold for right click in the web browser! it works perfectly fine everywhere else, like in the file manager. but when it comes to the web browser, I tap and hold and nothing happens. when i let go, it clicks on the link.23:42
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r2d2rogersStsN800: SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (Get oid 0x17000012)23:43
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StsN800r2d2rogers, cx3110x .ko in lib/modules/whatever, umac symlinked23:44
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r2d2rogersStsN800: done, with the result above23:46
abiwordcan anyone pls help me with my problem?23:46
r2d2rogersno wireless showing in the nm-applet dropdowen either23:46
StsN800r2d2rogers, hmm23:47
StsN800r2d2rogers, ifconfig wlan0 up23:47
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r2d2rogersStsN800: restart NetworkManager also and I get wireless showing up  \o/23:48
r2d2rogerstrying some WPA stuff23:48
r2d2rogersStsN800: nothing in the wireless security dropdown...23:49
r2d2rogersStsN800:  need another package?23:49
StsN800thought so23:49
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StsN800r2d2rogers, sec trying smth23:53
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r2d2rogersStsN800: k23:54
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