| radic | Stskeeps: why? | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | radic: i wouldn't put my money on a before 2020 release | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | radic: http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?t=5701 | 00:00 |
| dob | is there a repo with up-to-date installer sources? | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | trac.tspre.org/bman is recenter | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | recent | 00:01 |
| radic | Stskeeps: what do you think about a unrealIRCd port for the N800? | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | radic: easy as pie, but probably easiest on Mer :P | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it runs on HPUX.. | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | no idea how it reacts to cross compilation | 00:02 |
| * b-man is mad, his tablet locked up and crashed and now he possibly has sever ext3 filesystem damage in ubuntu >:( | 00:02 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: [20:21] * b-man overloads his N800 by simotaniusly insalling ubuntu-desktop in ubuntu in cdeb2, chating, browsing the web, using emelfm2, and by updating deb allong with using ssh | 00:03 |
| radic | Stskeeps: I compiled it on Win32 and Linux withe SSL and zip-link support | 00:03 |
| radic | and modifyed some modules and the source... | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | radic: yeah.. maybe it builds in scratchbox, no clue :P | 00:03 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: i probibly was asking for it ;) | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yes. yes, you were. | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:03 |
| radic | I'll try it if I have time and an runnung kernel... | 00:04 |
| radic | hmm | 00:04 |
| radic | I need more nicotine | 00:05 |
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| dob | I'm guessing mer-simple-ext.item shouldn't have ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3" in it... | 00:06 |
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| Stskeeps | it should | 00:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not kidding, that's true, it has to look like that :) we cannot rely on mmcblk1 being external for instance | 00:06 |
| * b-man is thankful to realise that his ubuntu install survived the nasty crash and resumes installing ubuntu-desktop | 00:06 | |
| radic | Stskeeps: I want to know why & and + channels aren't supportet by unreal3.2 | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | radic: + never was there, & i took out cos they added un-needed complexity. anyway - unrealircd is a chapter that's closed in my life and i'm trying my best to forget the details | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:08 |
| radic | :( | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: latest snapshot ruins my NM too | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | radic: #unreal-support on ircsystems prolly is okay for questions | 00:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 00:09 |
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| Stskeeps | and synaptics input driver needs to seriously die | 00:11 |
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| radic | Stskeeps: where are you from? | 00:13 |
| slonopotamus | ~seen fauxmight | 00:13 |
| infobot | fauxmight is currently on #maemo (1d 13h 13m 47s), last said: 'When I've got some free space on a sdcard I'll get it going.'. | 00:13 |
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| slonopotamus | ~seen christendoc | 00:14 |
| infobot | christendoc <n=christen@ip68-12-168-139.ok.ok.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 33d 20h 29m 32s ago, saying: '`0660: www.nosocomia.com/n810-gentoo :) It could work better, ... but it works.'. | 00:14 |
| FireFox | radic: he's from Denmark | 00:14 |
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| radic | Lego | 00:16 |
| radic | :) | 00:16 |
| radic | Stskeeps: is your house made of lego bricks? ;) | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no, concrete, but you would think so.. | 00:17 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 00:17 |
| slonopotamus | that fauxmight's message is not found in irc log | 00:18 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 00:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: in between a split maybe | 00:18 |
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| slonopotamus | i almost built xorg :) | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: how long time so far? ;P | 00:21 |
| radic | Stskeeps: I think you should do your next hilydays in germany and visit me | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | radic: my next holidays is in berlin to visit my fiancée who's expatriated, :P | 00:22 |
| slonopotamus | don't count. it build when i sleep | 00:22 |
| radic | Stskeeps: you're speaking german? | 00:23 |
| dumbowl | Hello. Good to find an active group. | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | radic: last time i tried to speak german i almost ended up at a police station | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | so, no, i don't | 00:23 |
| slonopotamus | wanna use paludis instead of emerge. it's too slow. | 00:23 |
| woglinde | stskeep lol | 00:23 |
| woglinde | stskeep when will you be here? | 00:23 |
| radic | Stskeeps: cause you speaked german? | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: think a weekend sometime in early march | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no, because i tried to explain to the taxi driver the hotel was supposed to have paid for the trip between the two hotels cos the hotel fucked up miserably.. | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | and i didn't have a single euro on me.. | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | which now means i always have currency on me when i'm abroad :P | 00:24 |
| radic | Stskeeps: next time let it write down on a paper withe a signature | 00:25 |
| dob | Stskeeps: in which file does bootmenu go through the .item files during boot? | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | dob: /etc/bootmenu.conf | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | radic: next time i don't get into that situation | 00:26 |
| dob | slonopotamus: it's there :) #maemo_090105.log:15:16:59 | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:26 |
| dob | gmt+2 | 00:26 |
| radic | Stskeeps: If you are in germany, you can do a trip to Würzburg | 00:27 |
| dob | Stskeeps: oh, right, thanks | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | radic: far down :P | 00:29 |
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| radic | hmm | 00:29 |
| radic | my N800 switched on auomaticly | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, mine does that occasionally | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | it spooks the hell out of me | 00:30 |
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| radic | <-- confused | 00:30 |
| FireFox | Stskeeps: it is possessed | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox: i wouldn't be surprised after all the curses i've shouted near it.. | 00:31 |
| jaska | the nokia security agency is using it to spy on you | 00:31 |
| FireFox | lol | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah, -that's- what NSA stands for | 00:31 |
| jaska | yeah | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | and their insistence of people using their phones.. | 00:31 |
| FireFox | hehe, lol XD | 00:32 |
| dob | so is there something wrong with my mer .item file? modules are mbcache, jbd, ext3 and fstype is ext3 | 00:32 |
| RST38h | Strange how nobody has menitioned mind control via GSM towers... | 00:32 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: it shows the "Booting Mer"? | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh no, now you've started it | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:32 |
| dob | Stskeeps: it hangs at "pivoting root and starting /sbin/init" for ~15 secs before rebooting | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | dob: sec | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | does it say setting time from retu..? | 00:35 |
| dob | Stskeeps: yes | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | check you have gnutar on your maemo (tar --version) | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | and that /sbin/init exists :P | 00:36 |
| * FireFox wonders if you could apply a hack to give our tablets ext4 support.. | 00:36 | |
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| AStorm | hack? | 00:37 |
| AStorm | just build the newer kernel | 00:37 |
| AStorm | the trick is if the new wifi driver will work with current tools | 00:37 |
| radic | Stskeeps: for what ist the observability.ko? | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no clue | 00:37 |
| radic | Stskeeps: It lets my N800 crashe | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | looks like a mach-omap2 thing | 00:37 |
| AStorm | it's funny debug stuff | 00:38 |
| AStorm | you don't need it actually | 00:38 |
| radic | AStorm: the observbility.ko? | 00:38 |
| AStorm | yeah | 00:38 |
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| radic | ahh, ok | 00:39 |
| radic | now I dosn't compile it... | 00:39 |
| radic | AStorm: what do I need for USB-mouse-support? | 00:40 |
| AStorm | usb input is there I think | 00:40 |
| AStorm | you need xorg driver | 00:40 |
| AStorm | and non-transparent cursor | 00:41 |
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| AStorm | xorg-input-evdev should work | 00:41 |
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| radic | ok, I'll try it | 00:42 |
| radic | but first I need a configuration that I can use the N800 again | 00:42 |
| radic | AStorm: can I include the source for rt73usb support into the maemo-kernel? | 00:45 |
| AStorm | if it works on arm, then yes | 00:45 |
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| AStorm | otherwise, no :) | 00:46 |
| AStorm | not all of the drivers work on ARM... I think this one does | 00:46 |
| AStorm | you'll need a power source for n8x0 built-in hub | 00:46 |
| radic | rt73usb has full aircrack-ng support :) | 00:46 |
| AStorm | see, n8x0 provides low-power USB - 100 mA max current afaicr | 00:47 |
| AStorm | too little for wifi, definitely | 00:47 |
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| radic | my hub needs 5V | 00:48 |
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| radic | is it a problem if I connect it to a 6V akku? | 00:49 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: gnu tar is on maemo and /sbin/init exists | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | dob: hmmm. | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | dob: tablet type? | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | and FS type | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | and i'd like to see the item to | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | o | 00:50 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: N800, ext3, http://rafb.net/p/J9dRZH23.html | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | looks correct | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | is that the item in /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d too? | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: but i'm honestly wondering what goes wrong here :) | 00:57 |
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| Stskeeps | if mer rescue menu doesn't come up, something went awry way earlier | 00:57 |
| b-man | (random information) - ubuntu-desktop successfully installed..... finally | 00:57 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: yes, it's there too | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | dob: what kernel are you on? | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | (and maemo version) | 01:02 |
| * Stskeeps glares at his snapshot | 01:04 | |
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| Stskeeps | HAL seems to have bent over quite badly | 01:04 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: 2.6.21-omap1 and 5.2008.43-7 | 01:05 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: mkfs.ext3 the fs again, wget http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.6.tar.gz, tar pzxvf it on the partition, chroot . passwd root | 01:07 |
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| lopz | hola | 01:10 |
| VDVsx | dob, you can also try to install Mer by the easy way :) | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: i think he did | 01:12 |
| dob | VDVsx: I've tried, didn't work :) | 01:12 |
| VDVsx | dob, do you run refresh_bootmenu.d , after the merInstaller finish the installation ? | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: checked that | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | he gets into linuxrc just fine | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | but dies at init | 01:15 |
| VDVsx | strange | 01:15 |
| dob | what modules does ext3 depend on or does it matter if I just mount as ext2? | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | dob: mbcache jbd ext3 | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | oh this so better not be a bug like im thinking.. | 01:20 |
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| dob | btw, why is the mer image .tar.gz left there after installation? | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | (my problem with HAL) | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | dob: i guess it comes in handy when rm -rfing everything but the tar.gz | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | to get a new snapshot | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, no, it probably shouldn't stay there | 01:21 |
| * b-man takes note ;) | 01:21 | |
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| FireFox16 | xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics hmmm :( | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: just remove that one too | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's safe | 01:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i really don't hope this bug with HAL not starting is what i think it is: lack of a root password makes it not want to start | 01:27 |
| dob | Stskeeps: you know, take nourishment | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | dob: ah | 01:27 |
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| FireFox16 | hmm, it looks like gdm failed to sstart because network manager could not find wlan0 | 01:46 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: did you set a root password per chance? | 01:47 |
| FireFox16 | yes | 01:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 01:47 |
| * Stskeeps is exploring a weirdass bug. | 01:47 | |
| FireFox16 | hehe | 01:48 |
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| Stskeeps | and i really don't hope it's that :) | 01:49 |
| FireFox16 | heh | 01:50 |
| woglinde | good nite | 01:50 |
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| FireFox16 | g'night | 01:50 |
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| AStorm | hey, is the omapfb driver in mainline Xorg? | 01:54 |
| Stskeeps | don't think so just yet | 01:54 |
| AStorm | mhm. | 01:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary | 01:54 |
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| Stskeepz | oh ffs | 01:59 |
| Stskeepz | if your root password isn't set, HAL freaks out completely. | 01:59 |
| r2d2rogers | that's funky | 02:00 |
| Stskeepz | qwerty12_N800: that's why your jffs image failed to have wifi | 02:00 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so that wasn't it. | 02:08 |
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| Talus46_n810 | greetings | 02:10 |
| Talus46_n810 | any news about next n900 ? | 02:10 |
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| Stskeeps | great. HAL crashes. | 02:17 |
| FireFox16 | hm | 02:17 |
| FireFox16 | do you think my gdm problem could be caused by that? | 02:19 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 02:19 |
| dob | Stskeeps: so, what's the point of chroot . passwd root? | 02:20 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: setting a root password, always good to have when sshing in :P | 02:21 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: and what do I do after setting the password? :) | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | dob: reboot | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | er, preferably umount first | 02:30 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: identical symptoms | 02:40 |
| Stskeeps | dob: i'm absolutely baffled. | 02:40 |
| Stskeeps | dob: do you let it wait for a bit or does it just reboot? | 02:40 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: it just reboots itself after ~20 secs | 02:43 |
| Stskeeps | dob: only thing i can advise is reflashing initfs with a normal one, then installing deblet bootmenu.d again from rootfs | 02:44 |
| Stskeeps | (it will re-make the bootmenu icons) | 02:44 |
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| Stskeeps | er, items | 02:44 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps I'm confused on why I need to reboot a couple of times before I get to X today... | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i think HAL is hosed | 02:45 |
| r2d2rogers | so I should avoid apt-get upgrade for right now? | 02:45 |
| Stskeeps | what hal version do you have? | 02:45 |
| r2d2rogers | or right now? | 02:46 |
| r2d2rogers | 20090124 18:44:38 [ Stskeeps] what hal version do you have? | 02:46 |
| r2d2rogers | blah | 02:46 |
| r2d2rogers | HAL package version: 0.5.12 | 02:46 |
| timeless | ping | 02:47 |
| timeless | imagine you're "somewhere" | 02:47 |
| timeless | and you try to find "things" | 02:47 |
| timeless | and you get a window | 02:47 |
| timeless | what kind of title would you want for this title? | 02:48 |
| timeless | err window | 02:48 |
| Stskeeps | Search results for 'a'? :P | 02:48 |
| timeless | you're greedy | 02:48 |
| r2d2rogers | ti depends what I knew... | 02:48 |
| timeless | you can't know what you searched for because the app is stupid :) | 02:48 |
| timeless | it comes w/ diablo | 02:48 |
| r2d2rogers | I might be happy with today's schedule ;0 | 02:49 |
| timeless | currently it says "Search" | 02:49 |
| r2d2rogers | heh I went too metaphysical. | 02:49 |
| r2d2rogers | just watched Wall-E | 02:49 |
| timeless | i'm tempted to make it say "results" | 02:49 |
| r2d2rogers | WFM | 02:49 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://rafb.net/p/soJ1lk62.html | 02:49 |
| Stskeeps | is what i'm seeing in HAL | 02:50 |
| Stskeeps | can you see if your hald is running when it crashes? | 02:50 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: rebooting to see if I get fail | 02:51 |
| FireFox16 | i think i found the gdm problem; xserver-xorg fails to start.... and it displays a blue screen XD | 02:51 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: hehe. does your 'hald' start? | 02:51 |
| FireFox16 | yes | 02:52 |
| Stskeeps | start, but is it still there? :P | 02:52 |
| Stskeeps | mine says it starts but it dies right away :) | 02:52 |
| FireFox16 | hmm | 02:52 |
| r2d2rogers | figures... it's working now... | 02:52 |
| * FireFox16 wonders why xserver-xorg fails to start | 02:52 | |
| Stskeeps | anyone here with a typical hackable phone? (PXA270) | 02:53 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: it acts randomly for me | 02:53 |
| r2d2rogers | cold boot this time | 02:53 |
| r2d2rogers | I have a RAZR v3xx | 02:53 |
| FireFox16 | Stskeeps: any idias to the xorg problem? :) | 02:53 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: quite closed though? | 02:54 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 02:54 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: yes, HAL dying | 02:54 |
| FireFox16 | hehe | 02:54 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: grab your Xorg.0.log and put it somewhere | 02:54 |
| r2d2rogers | booting fine now | 02:54 |
| FireFox16 | k | 02:54 |
| r2d2rogers | try the updated packages? | 02:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, go ahead | 02:56 |
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| r2d2rogers | planning on retrying the wireless modules from maemo next | 02:57 |
| Stskeeps | they might have to be patched to allow for iwconfig and such | 02:57 |
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| FireFox16 | Stskeeps; http://filebin.ca/bsqrpb/log.tar.gz - i packaged up a tar.gz of my system logs | 03:00 |
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| * Stskeeps tests out new HIM | 03:04 | |
| FireFox16 | Stskeeps: did you look at those logs? :) | 03:05 |
| Stskeeps | my, that's a lot of porn you've been downloading. | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: your xorg.conf is messed up | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | Parse error on line 50 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Unexpected EOF. Missing EndSection keyword? | 03:06 |
| FireFox16 | no | 03:07 |
| dob | Stskeeps: by installing bootmenu.d you mean just install_bootmenu? | 03:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's what your xorg tells me :P | 03:07 |
| Stskeeps | dob: yeah, or utilities->install bootmenu | 03:07 |
| Stskeeps | it will copy in the items too | 03:07 |
| FireFox16 | i'll pastebin the xorg.conf file | 03:07 |
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| FireFox16 | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/1317561 | 03:09 |
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| Stskeeps | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? | 03:10 |
| FireFox16 | yes | 03:11 |
| Stskeeps | you're right, that looks OK | 03:11 |
| Stskeeps | corrupted FS? | 03:11 |
| lcuk | gnite ppl \o | 03:11 |
| FireFox16 | oh, no 0_o | 03:11 |
| Stskeeps | or a missing newline after line 51 | 03:11 |
| Stskeeps | (i can see i have one in mine) | 03:12 |
| FireFox16 | oh, that might be it | 03:12 |
| * FireFox16 adds newline and boots into ubuntu | 03:12 | |
| dob | Stskeeps: no improvement | 03:12 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: and this is on a fresh initfs? | 03:14 |
| dob | Stskeeps: yes | 03:14 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: can you pastebin me your /etc/bootmenu.conf from maemo? | 03:15 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/VD0Kzr61.html | 03:16 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i'm out of ideas. only way we can diagnose this is through a framebuffer console and i'm too tired to set this up atm :P | 03:18 |
| Stskeeps | try this.. | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | after exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init 2 <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1 | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | add text2screen -s 2 -H center -y 100 -T 0 -t "pivot root and starting /sbin/init.." | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | change text to "failed to boot" | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | in linuxrc | 03:19 |
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| timeless | ok | 03:25 |
| timeless | anyone here use the feed reader? | 03:25 |
| * timeless has a question about it | 03:25 | |
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| dob | Stskeeps: the added text didn't appear | 03:30 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 03:33 |
| Stskeeps | dob: change bootmenu item to rw and do > root/log instead of > dev/console | 03:33 |
| Stskeeps | instead of ro | 03:33 |
| Pavlz | nokia refuses to give support to theora | 03:34 |
| Pavlz | we can do ourself | 03:34 |
| fauxmight | ping slonopotamus | 03:36 |
| Stskeeps | and you don't have any special kernels or something like that? | 03:36 |
| fauxmight | ~seen slonopotomaus | 03:36 |
| infobot | fauxmight: i haven't seen 'slonopotomaus' | 03:36 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: i'm really impressed with how you two can manage to miss eachother :P | 03:36 |
| fauxmight | Yeah, apologies for the crosstraffic. | 03:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, wasn't referring to that :) | 03:37 |
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| dob | Stskeeps: not that I know of :) | 03:39 |
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| fauxmight | Stskeeps: 11 hr diff timezones might have something to do with it :) | 03:40 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: yea | 03:40 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't understand why HAL crashes | 03:41 | |
| dob | Stskeeps: btw, what does init do with the dev/console input? | 03:45 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: probably if there's like fsck input or whatever needed | 03:46 |
| dob | Stskeeps: wtf, I see the progress bar :O | 03:47 |
| dob | and it's beautiful! | 03:47 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: ... | 03:47 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: this shouldn't have happened obviously | 03:48 |
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| robink | The N810W is no more :( | 03:51 |
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| Stskeeps | so it goes | 03:51 |
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| robink | I still wanted one | 03:51 |
| smackpotato | i wonder if they will sell for a premium | 03:51 |
| robink | I dunno | 03:51 |
| robink | I'm going to see if I can find one | 03:52 |
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| FireFox16 | HUGE success with ubuntu - even the keyboard fully works!! | 03:52 |
| robink | Clearw're will have a fully WiMAX-compliant network in kitsap county by the end of this year. | 03:52 |
| * FireFox16 trys installing xchat in ubuntu :) | 03:53 | |
| timeless | ping ping | 03:53 |
| robink | timeless: pong | 03:53 |
| timeless | anyone here use rss feed reader? | 03:53 |
| * timeless is looking for information about a certain dialog | 03:54 | |
| Stskeeps | FireFox16: what was it? | 03:54 |
| FireFox16 | a missing newline :p | 03:54 |
| FireFox16 | but i'm still getting lony errors about wlan0 | 03:55 |
| Stskeeps | told you | 03:55 |
| smackpotato | so my 770 is happy in its new life as a remote thermometer sending temperatures to twitter | 03:55 |
| FireFox16 | hehe | 03:55 |
| Stskeeps | smackpotato: in a potato field? :P | 03:56 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 03:56 |
| smackpotato | sure lol so my pipes dont freeze | 03:56 |
| timeless | smackpotato: do you have it handy? | 03:56 |
| smackpotato | my 770 | 03:56 |
| timeless | yes | 03:56 |
| timeless | can you try something for me? | 03:56 |
| smackpotato | yes | 03:56 |
| timeless | open the feed reader | 03:56 |
| smackpotato | k | 03:57 |
| timeless | in the menu, there should be a refresh item | 03:57 |
| smackpotato | the icon yes | 03:58 |
| timeless | icon? | 03:58 |
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| timeless | it's something like app menu>tools>refresh | 03:59 |
| smackpotato | yes two arrows pointing at each other | 03:59 |
| timeless | ignore the toolbar, i think | 03:59 |
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| smackpotato | it in tools yes | 04:00 |
| timeless | what happens if you select it? | 04:00 |
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| smackpotato | it says refresh feeds pressing gives the option all feeds or select feeds | 04:01 |
| timeless | ok | 04:01 |
| timeless | so the dialog did exist | 04:01 |
| timeless | do you have an n800/n810? | 04:01 |
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| AtomicSpark | Is there a maemo suggestion box? :P | 04:01 |
| smackpotato | yes im on the 810 | 04:01 |
| Stskeeps | AtomicSpark: bugs.maemo.org :P | 04:01 |
| timeless | do you get that dialog on the n810? | 04:02 |
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| timeless | hrm, ok, i do... gah | 04:02 |
| * timeless eyes the dialog | 04:03 | |
| * timeless considers poking both eyes out | 04:03 | |
| smackpotato | no but im not subscribed to any feeds might make a diferance | 04:03 |
| AtomicSpark | I'll have to look to see if it's been requested, but I'd like to see a "lock applets" option under the home menu. This would prevent applets being moved and thus prevent me accedently moving them when I wake my screen up. | 04:03 |
| timeless | it's ok | 04:04 |
| Stskeeps | AtomicSpark: it'll come in fremantle | 04:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:04 |
| timeless | i hit the dialog i was afraid of | 04:04 |
| timeless | now i have to figure out what to do about it | 04:04 |
| Stskeeps | AtomicSpark: trust me, i'd love that thing too :P | 04:04 |
| AtomicSpark | Also, for pidgin to not blank my screen when using its... taskbar icon to show/hide it. :\ | 04:05 |
| * AtomicSpark had to disable show taskbar icon always | 04:05 | |
| Stskeeps | pidgin's 3rd party so complain to the person making the port :) | 04:05 |
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| GAN800 | Opening stuff from the notification area really needs to be faster in Fremantle. | 04:07 |
| GAN800 | It's obscenely slow and unreliable as-is. | 04:07 |
| AtomicSpark | I've only had my n810 for 3 days now. :) | 04:08 |
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| robink | Woah, you can run Freemantle? | 04:11 |
| smackpotato | atomic on the left side of the n810 the top button is what you hit when pidgen acts up | 04:11 |
| AtomicSpark | smackpotato: the "home dropdown menu"? | 04:12 |
| AtomicSpark | Also. I like this Mer thing. Is this the new UI for the next major release? | 04:12 |
| smackpotato | no on the top | 04:13 |
| smackpotato | abouve the escape button | 04:13 |
| Stskeeps | AtomicSpark: no, it's a community project done by insane individuals in the community. Fremantle is Nokia's next Maemo 5 | 04:13 |
| Stskeeps | AtomicSpark: Mer is what will bring you Fremantle components to N8x0 :P | 04:13 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 04:14 |
| infobot | mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 04:14 |
| AtomicSpark | So Freemantle will be for n900? | 04:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 04:15 |
| robink | The N900 will happen? | 04:16 |
| Stskeeps | rx-51 :P | 04:16 |
| AtomicSpark | Of course. | 04:16 |
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| GAN800 | robink, s/Freemantle/Fremantle/g :) | 04:16 |
| robink | ops | 04:17 |
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| AtomicSpark | Seems like Mer is a fork or a derivative of maemo | 04:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's more maemo than ubuntu, and more ubuntu than maemo | 04:19 |
| Stskeeps | tries to mix the two world | 04:19 |
| Stskeeps | s | 04:19 |
| AtomicSpark | Ubuntu has a cute little tablet edition now. | 04:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, which requires a nuclear power plant | 04:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:21 |
| Stskeeps | if you're referring to the netbook edition | 04:21 |
| AtomicSpark | The MID edition. | 04:21 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 04:22 |
| Stskeeps | those don't get as good power savings as these tablets, so :) | 04:22 |
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| AtomicSpark | Hmm. | 04:28 |
| bef0rd | hi | 04:30 |
| dob | Stskeeps: I added sync to the fsoptions and I get this in root/log: /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command `/sbin/init': Permission denied | 04:31 |
| Stskeeps | dob: hmm. | 04:32 |
| Stskeeps | dob: ls -l sbin/init? :P | 04:33 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: my next theory is possible SD card damage | 04:35 |
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| dob | :P -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 124964 Nov 15 01:44 sbin/init | 04:39 |
| Stskeeps | dob: too sleepy now :P i gtg to bed | 04:41 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 04:41 |
| AtomicSpark | maemo downloads needs to add a 2008.1 section. many apps wont download now with the diablo version. L | 04:41 |
| AtomicSpark | :\ | 04:41 |
| dob | Stskeeps: ditto -> | 04:42 |
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| * b-man fixes the hal problem in mer by installing the debian version of hal ;) | 04:57 | |
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| * timeless sighs | 05:00 | |
| timeless | consistency | 05:00 |
| timeless | the browser cache offers 1/2 mb, 1m, 2m, 4m | 05:00 |
| timeless | feeed reader cache offers 1m, 2m, 4m, 8m | 05:01 |
| timeless | can someone please explain why the feed reader's cache is bigger than the browser's? | 05:01 |
| timeless | (is/can be) | 05:01 |
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| timeless | anyone here alive? | 07:46 |
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| robink | timeless: I'm alive | 08:09 |
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| * Jaffa too (now) | 08:29 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 08:29 |
| bef0rd | hi | 08:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | morning | 08:31 |
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| bradd | hi. does anyone know how I can (portably) tell if libXsp is avail on my build system? (pkg-config or somesuch?) | 08:40 |
| Jaffa | How portably? | 08:41 |
| bradd | my mistake.. I tried pkg-config Xsp --libs rather than pkg-config xsp --libs | 08:41 |
| bradd | basically on any x11-based system | 08:42 |
| Jaffa | Ha. Mike Cane's now moved on to being a Palm Pre evangelist | 08:51 |
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| RST38h | Who is Mike Cane? | 09:03 |
| Jaffa | A very vocal, and prominent blogger/troll who gets *really* excited and evangelical about a product, before becoming disillusioned and then starts trashing it. | 09:04 |
| Jaffa | Before moving on to the Next Big Thing | 09:04 |
| Jaffa | His posts on ITT probably make fascinating reading | 09:05 |
| qwerty12 | What happened to Darius BTW? | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: KILL! | 09:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Currently undergoing his annual treatment in Warsaw bedlam. | 09:08 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 09:08 |
| * RST38h can understand why people evanelize about unreleased products so maniacally though: the best product is the one in your mind | 09:13 | |
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| Jaffa | Grr, auto-builder seems to be broken | 10:16 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, been like that since yesterday :(. Chinook builder is still working though | 10:16 |
| * Jaffa pokes maemo-developers and X-Fade | 10:16 | |
| Jaffa | Time for breakfast (since I've just tidied up w,/Uploading_to_Extras | 10:18 |
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| RST38h | http://www.wibrain.com/ <-- ah, here it is | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Looks chunky as shit :/ | 10:40 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You won't believe how clunky it is in the real life | 10:40 |
| RST38h | It is basically a metal brick. | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | ha | 10:41 |
| RST38h | But cool looking, in some perverse sense, can't take that away from it | 10:41 |
| RST38h | http://www.raondigital.com/fnt_english/ev01.asp <-- also seen this one, less clunky, but feels cheesy | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | That one reminds me of P1i a bit :/ | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Grossly gluttonous P1i =) | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:43 |
| RST38h | http://www.mobilewhack.com/fujitsu-lifebook-u2010-officially-released/ <-- and this one was on sale as well | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | Looks boring but "alright" in a sense to me | 10:44 |
| RST38h | well, fujitsu... | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | But the screen is way to small, you can just about make out the vista logon | 10:44 |
| RST38h | BTW, WiBrain is much smaller than pictures make you believe | 10:44 |
| RST38h | It is narrower (but longer) than N810 basically. With tiny keys and a little tiny touchpad the size of a thumb | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-12752-SPH-P9000,+the+Samsung+WiMAX+and+CDMA+EV-DO+PDA-PC.html <- This is my favourite :P | 10:45 |
| RST38h | umgh! | 10:50 |
| RST38h | cute | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if it could beat the N-Gage's record for making you look stupid when you talk on it... | 10:52 |
| bradd | how do you guys generally transfer files to your nokia? I am trying to ssh in then scp'ing files over but the wifi keeps turning off | 10:52 |
| RST38h | qwerty: only if it has the mike at the edge =) | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm glad to say that I never used my N-Gage for calling :P | 10:53 |
| RST38h | bradd: try a few more times and it will go back up | 10:53 |
| * Jaffa thinks about pulling in additional RSS feeds into http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=qJEaF4Xp3RGPv3S1rLQIDg - e.g. p.m.o posts containing mer | 10:55 | |
| qwerty12 | ~lart darkplaces engine | 11:00 |
| * infobot pries darkplaces engine's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to darkplaces engine | 11:00 | |
| * timeless sighs | 11:05 | |
| timeless | help | 11:05 |
| * timeless hates rss feed reader | 11:05 | |
| timeless | so, the rss feed reader is "clever" | 11:05 |
| timeless | and has an error case for when you try to subscribe to two things at approximately the same "time" | 11:06 |
| * timeless kicks planet maemo | 11:08 | |
| timeless | it makes it impossible for one to subscribe to people's blogs | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | Even if the URL is wildly different? How is that useful? | 11:09 |
| timeless | oh | 11:10 |
| timeless | no, not that | 11:10 |
| timeless | basically, | 11:10 |
| timeless | 1. load a page in the browser which has an rss icon | 11:10 |
| timeless | 2. click the rss icon | 11:10 |
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| timeless | 3. switch back to the browser | 11:10 |
| timeless | 4. load another page in the browser which has an rss icon | 11:10 |
| timeless | 5. click the rss icon | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Don't use the rss reader. | 11:10 |
| timeless | 6. click ok a couple of times in the feed reader | 11:11 |
| RST38h | And it won't cause problems. | 11:11 |
| timeless | at least, i *think* that'll give the right stupid error message | 11:11 |
| timeless | it's hard to know, i don't have a testcase for each error string | 11:11 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 11:16 | |
| timeless | the comments can't even spell the names of the strings correctly | 11:16 |
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| * timeless consdiers | 11:26 | |
| timeless | would people be offended by a dialog which said | 11:26 |
| timeless | "This dialog is here in case your finger slipped. Click OK to confirm" | 11:26 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:31 | |
| timeless | does the rss reader really own text/xml on the device? | 11:31 |
| timeless | right so... you really can get those errors approximately as i described | 11:32 |
| timeless | oh gosh | 11:33 |
| timeless | that's clever | 11:33 |
| timeless | the change folder button jumps from slot 2 to slot 3 | 11:34 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:34 | |
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| lcuk810 | mmnmornin | 11:34 |
| timeless | 11:30am | 11:34 |
| timeless | and i'm not done cursing the rss feed reader | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | hi lcuk | 11:34 |
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| timeless | anyone here have diablo and screenshot-tool? | 11:35 |
| * timeless needs some pictures | 11:35 | |
| lcuk810 | qwerty you might know, has thomas the tank engine moved from cbeebies? | 11:36 |
| lcuk810 | sorry timeless dont have either | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk810, yeah, yeah... :P | 11:37 |
| lcuk810 | lol, im serious ive got an upset son, im sure thomas used to be on it | 11:37 |
| lcuk810 | and im not just giving him free reign on google | 11:38 |
| timeless | heh | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I've never watched it :P | 11:38 |
| timeless | you my friend have a problem | 11:38 |
| timeless | might i suggest ordering it from your local pbs affiliate? | 11:38 |
| lcuk810 | uh huh | 11:38 |
| lcuk810 | timeless, uk tv it was shown on bbc for years | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk810, I've checked the weekly schedule for cbeebies (without my brother catching me) and I haven't found one mention of thomas the tank engine | 11:40 |
| lcuk810 | me neither, they have removed thomas from history | 11:40 |
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| aquatix | timeless: i use the system load applet for screenshots | 11:41 |
| lcuk810 | underground ernie is the new hot, | 11:41 |
| RST38h | he must have done something! | 11:41 |
| qwerty12 | Make up a story about how it's changed into "Finley the Fire Engine" :P | 11:41 |
| timeless | http://www.hitentertainment.com/portal/us/premium/ThomasSpecialDelivery/ | 11:41 |
| lcuk810 | he tips his head to the side and says dont be stupid | 11:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Try "Thomas and Friends" instead | 11:41 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 11:41 |
| aquatix | lcuk810: you, dear sir, have an awesome son | 11:42 |
| lcuk810 | heh | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | You can actually get the episodes on torrents >.<. Almost as fun as downloading the ikea catalogue for 2009 via torrent :P | 11:43 |
| * aquatix thinks he should gather some more experience before starting on kids himself | 11:43 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: lol | 11:43 |
| lcuk810 | timeless, coool | 11:43 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: we got that catalogue in the mail already :P | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, hehe :P | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | Anything new and exciting? :D | 11:44 |
| lcuk810 | we have ikea about 3 miles away | 11:44 |
| aquatix | dunno, don't read it ;) | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | hah | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: weird q, when you did your mer install, and wifi didnt work, was your root passwd set? | 11:44 |
| aquatix | but the girlfriend suddenly has new ideas now and then | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope, I just untarred the tar.gz to the partition. Didn't use the installer | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk810, hah, my "nearest" one is in Thurrock >.< | 11:45 |
| lcuk810 | aquatiz, give your girlfriend one rule for ikea, if she can carry it she can have it | 11:45 |
| lcuk810 | you will watch your gf turn inot a packhorse | 11:45 |
| lcuk810 | into | 11:45 |
| aquatix | *g* | 11:46 |
| aquatix | well, she will get a trolley anyway i guess :/ | 11:46 |
| lcuk810 | i was amazed at how much she carried | 11:46 |
| aquatix | haha | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k, might be why - atm HAL just crashes randomly, heh | 11:46 |
| lcuk810 | lol aquatix, trolleys are for big hardware shopping, the danger with a trolley andjust browsing is the little stuff | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, so I should reinstall mer and chroot into it and do "passwd root"? | 11:47 |
| lcuk810 | "i just need a few bits" | 11:47 |
| aquatix | lcuk810: uh-huh :) | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ppossibly | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | i cant promise it works | 11:48 |
| lcuk810 | mornin sts | 11:48 |
| timeless | so... no takers on my feed reader? | 11:49 |
| lcuk810 | i dont have that one on | 11:49 |
| aquatix | timeless: it did something clever by ignoring you? | 11:49 |
| timeless | oh, i just need some pictures | 11:50 |
| timeless | the add dialog has: | 11:50 |
| timeless | [ok][change folder][browse][cancel] | 11:50 |
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| timeless | the info has" | 11:50 |
| aquatix | (get the system load applet with the screenshot stuff build-in) | 11:50 |
| timeless | [ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][cancel] | 11:50 |
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| timeless | note how both have change folder? | 11:50 |
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| timeless | but not in the same position | 11:51 |
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| aquatix | fun | 11:51 |
| timeless | aquatix: i'm not running official releases | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: if wifi still doesnt, check if hald is in process list | 11:51 |
| timeless | so i'm not going to use my device for pictures | 11:51 |
| aquatix | timeless: ah, check | 11:51 |
| aquatix | kk | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, k | 11:51 |
| aquatix | timeless: hmmm, looks like the total set is "[ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][browse][cancel]" | 11:52 |
| aquatix | `pick any 4' :) | 11:52 |
| timeless | aquatix: you're thinking about it um... | 11:52 |
| timeless | stop thinking about it :) | 11:52 |
| aquatix | timeless: but that's a bit non-consistent | 11:52 |
| timeless | the code treats each dialog individually | 11:53 |
| timeless | and based on the fact they're reversed, i'm fairly confident that the ui designer didn't think abotu it | 11:53 |
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| timeless | about | 11:53 |
| aquatix | yep | 11:53 |
| timeless | 3 cheers for the ui designer | 11:53 |
| timeless | s/ch/j | 11:53 |
| aquatix | i would put the [change folder] one next to the [ok] in both i guess | 11:54 |
| timeless | anyway. "please file a bug" | 11:54 |
| aquatix | to make it consistent | 11:54 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah :/ | 11:54 |
| timeless | i'd actually put it in slot 3 | 11:54 |
| lcukx41 | i would slap the person who used a dialog box with too many buttons anyway | 11:54 |
| timeless | since import (which is a better name for browse) is closer to add | 11:54 |
| timeless | [save][delete|import][move][cancel] | 11:55 |
| timeless | but all i ask for is consistency | 11:55 |
| radic_ | qwerty12: you're there? | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | radic_, yes | 11:55 |
| radic_ | qwerty12: I need the URL to depmod again | 11:56 |
| radic_ | qwerty12: and a howto how I build a initfs-image | 11:56 |
| lcukx41 | timeless, consistency also makes it easier for translation | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | radic_, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=depmod | 11:56 |
| timeless | lcukx41: non lame strings help there too | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | radic_, https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image | 11:57 |
| timeless | ok | 11:57 |
| lcukx41 | yeah your rant a couple of days ago is good, for most of the time we dont hear too much of a push towards it | 11:57 |
| radic_ | thx qwerty12 | 11:57 |
| timeless | suppose the rss feed reader is "busy" | 11:57 |
| timeless | and you try to use the add feed dialog | 11:58 |
| timeless | you push a grayed out button | 11:58 |
| timeless | if you got an info note that said: | 11:58 |
| radic_ | *put a cup of coffee in front of qwerty12* | 11:58 |
| timeless | "Please wait until the ongoing subscription completes" | 11:58 |
| timeless | would you understand it? | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | radic_, hehe, I don't drink tea nor coffee :P | 11:58 |
| lcukx41 | radic, offer him ribena | 11:58 |
| lcukx41 | with a straw | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it starts with caffienated soft drinks.. | 11:59 |
| radic_ | qwerty12: you can call it tea ;) | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, oh, of course I drink them :P | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | radic_, will do ;P | 11:59 |
| radic_ | It's cold in here | 12:00 |
| timeless | i'm writing en-US atm | 12:00 |
| * qwerty12 feels sorry for anyone who writes in false English | 12:01 | |
| * timeless feels sorry for anyone forced to read Nokia English | 12:01 | |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 12:01 |
| radic_ | Nokia English? what'S that? | 12:02 |
| timeless | it's what you get w/ every nokia product | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | en_NO | 12:02 |
| radic_ | lol | 12:02 |
| timeless | en_FI | 12:02 |
| radic_ | de_DE ftw! | 12:02 |
| radic_ | also einigen wir uns auf deutsch... | 12:03 |
| timeless | i think formally en-FI-nok-engineering | 12:03 |
| timeless | or something | 12:03 |
| * timeless can't remember the proper way to tag such things | 12:03 | |
| aquatix | http://static.maemo.org/static/6/6d5c1f9275df11dda02b69c9de3ac8bec8be_main_menu_of_the_applet.png <- is this on Mer? | 12:03 |
| timeless | presumably Diablo-SDK | 12:04 |
| timeless | hrm | 12:06 |
| timeless | if you had 10 feeds | 12:06 |
| lcukx41 | damn have to get out of bed | 12:06 |
| timeless | and 1 feed didn't update | 12:06 |
| timeless | would | 12:07 |
| timeless | "Couldn't update all feeds" be an ok message? | 12:07 |
| timeless | "Not all feeds could be updated" | 12:07 |
| timeless | (pick one) | 12:07 |
| lcukx41 | "could not update 1 or more feeds" | 12:07 |
| timeless | that's too close to the nokia text for my taste | 12:08 |
| RST38h | "Use Google Reader instead" | 12:08 |
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| * timeless slapps rst38h | 12:08 | |
| * lcukx41 must be part finish | 12:08 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: i use both actually | 12:08 |
| RST38h | "Click OK to start Google Reader in your web browser" | 12:08 |
| timeless | rst38h: sadly, i have no code control | 12:08 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I honestly tried using built in Maemo reader but could not | 12:09 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i only use it for 3 or 4 feeds | 12:09 |
| aquatix | just daily news | 12:09 |
| aquatix | google reader for everything else | 12:09 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Gooreader's iPhone UI works like a charm | 12:09 |
| lcukx41 | i just open hundreds of tabs, i dont like feed readers because they lose the page style of the site i want | 12:09 |
| aquatix | RST38h: except that i don't have an iphone, not will i have one in the distant future :) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: ick | 12:10 |
| RST38h | aquatix: You did not understand :) | 12:10 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ah, now i do :) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | aquatix; iPhone Gooreader works perfectly well in MicroB ;) | 12:10 |
| aquatix | oh | 12:10 |
| aquatix | there is one? | 12:10 |
| RST38h | yep | 12:10 |
| aquatix | that's new for me | 12:10 |
| aquatix | i only know the normal mobile one | 12:10 |
| RST38h | a moment | 12:10 |
| aquatix | http://www.google.com/reader/i/ ? | 12:11 |
| aquatix | neat | 12:11 |
| aquatix | that's damn neat | 12:11 |
| lcukx41 | aquatix, i wonder if theres a way to keep the original format of the site whilst in the feedreader | 12:11 |
| RST38h | aquatix: http://www.google.com/reader/i/ | 12:12 |
| RST38h | yea | 12:12 |
| lcukx41 | and what about ancient sites which dont have decent feeds | 12:12 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: those i visit or ignore :) | 12:13 |
| mavhc | bloglines mentioned something about keeping the style, I'd rather they all look the same | 12:13 |
| * RST38h would really like to have the Gooreader iPhone UI *minus* the MicroB | 12:13 | |
| lcukx41 | should be able to open the page, highlight a template to grab and include it anyway | 12:13 |
| RST38h | But it probably isn't gonna happen any time soon | 12:13 |
| aquatix | but there aren't much that don't have a feed or have a third party scraping them | 12:13 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: google reader can do that btw | 12:13 |
| lcukx41 | cool | 12:13 |
| aquatix | loads the post inside the reader | 12:13 |
| lcukx41 | not that i care i just open browser and wander round | 12:13 |
| lcukx41 | prefer original sites mainly, but would accept floating articles cut from within | 12:14 |
| mavhc | there's 101 websites that make rss feeds out of websites for you, or email | 12:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Most sites are too heave for the tablet though | 12:14 |
| RST38h | s/heave/heavy/ | 12:14 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: lcuk: Most sites are too heavy for the tablet though | 12:14 |
| mavhc | wow, that's annoying | 12:14 |
| mavhc | including ITT | 12:15 |
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| RST38h | ITT has got a mobile UI | 12:15 |
| RST38h | Minimal, but there isn't much to want from ITT | 12:15 |
| lcukx41 | RST38h: agreed in part, but the tablet *can* handle them, just not in a reasonable time - and thats not anything against the browser, its a problem of the site designers going ott | 12:15 |
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| lcukx41 | itt should use a light style by default, not just having a logged in mobile ui | 12:16 |
| aquatix | RST38h: that i version works quite well, thanks :) | 12:16 |
| lcukx41 | it should be geared top down to operate smoothly on devices without having an account | 12:16 |
| lcukx41 | its offputting to new users | 12:16 |
| aquatix | wonder how i overlooked it | 12:16 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: that isn't sufficient consolation | 12:16 |
| mavhc | ITT also opens links in new windows, how can I stop that in microb? | 12:17 |
| lcukx41 | heh yeah i knpw | 12:17 |
| timeless | aquatix: fwiw, the browser team uses the /i/ version | 12:17 |
| timeless | we even talked about hacking the browser to auto get that version for people | 12:17 |
| lcukx41 | i hope the talk.maemo.org is better | 12:17 |
| lcukx41 | or whatever its called | 12:17 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: naaah | 12:17 |
| RST38bis | for unknown to me reasob, maemo.org pages do not seem to be designed for maemo | 12:18 |
| aquatix | timeless: or ask google to redirect with an option to get the regular one? | 12:18 |
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| aquatix | they do something similar with mobile browsers and for example youtube | 12:19 |
| aquatix | and the search engine itself | 12:19 |
| timeless | # Information note; FEed re3ader sucks | 12:20 |
| mavhc | why? | 12:21 |
| timeless | aquatix: communicationi is hard | 12:21 |
| timeless | mavhc: why what? | 12:21 |
| mavhc | why does it suck? | 12:21 |
| aquatix | timeless: what do you mean, 'communication is hard'? | 12:22 |
| timeless | the complete list of whys will not fit in the margins of this chat | 12:22 |
| lcukx41 | completely offtopic, this thinkpad rocks | 12:22 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: :) | 12:22 |
| * lcukx41 has never had a laptop which works before | 12:22 | |
| aquatix | lcukx41: which one do you have? | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | RST38bis, is fMSX compatible with Metal Gear 1? (or is my rom just corrupt... - metal gear 2 loads up fine) | 12:22 |
| lcukx41 | aquatix: lenovo x41 wacom touch based | 12:23 |
| mavhc | timeless: so there's a website? I quite like it for reading a few feeds, uses less ram | 12:23 |
| timeless | mavhc: i'm trying to fix the translation of Diablo | 12:23 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: ah, nice :) | 12:23 |
| timeless | which means i have to read each set of strings | 12:23 |
| timeless | for each error case, i have to try to reproduce and understand the error | 12:24 |
| timeless | in most cases the error is caused by a design flaw | 12:24 |
| timeless | there are dozens of them | 12:24 |
| timeless | and while the app is simple, it's really poorly conceived | 12:24 |
| lcukx41 | more error strings than correct flow strings | 12:24 |
| lcukx41 | which is technically the right way to do it | 12:24 |
| timeless | most error strings are because of errors in flow | 12:24 |
| RST38bis | qwerty: works perfvectly well | 12:24 |
| timeless | there are dozens of errors because the app can't handle the case where the user tries to add 2 feeds from the browser | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | RST38bis, ah, could be my rom then - fmsx is saying error loading file or somesuch. Thanks | 12:25 |
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| RST38bis | definitely rom problem then | 12:26 |
| timeless | then there are cute things | 12:26 |
| timeless | mahvc: wait, you use this app? | 12:27 |
| lcukx41 | "timessless, don't touch me there" | 12:27 |
| timeless | can you tell me what 'ctrl-f' does? | 12:27 |
| aquatix | timeless: search? | 12:27 |
| timeless | aquatix: a question like this is going to require a more technical answer | 12:27 |
| aquatix | still talking about the rss reader right? | 12:28 |
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| timeless | right | 12:28 |
| aquatix | hmmm, search for text in all posts in the feeds? | 12:28 |
| timeless | 'the feeds'? | 12:28 |
| aquatix | or only currently selected feed | 12:28 |
| aquatix | all subscriptions | 12:28 |
| timeless | ok, i'll give you a free answer "no, it doesn't do that" | 12:28 |
| aquatix | i know | 12:29 |
| timeless | (al subscriptions) | 12:29 |
| timeless | so, what does it do? :) | 12:29 |
| timeless | for people playing at home, i have a device in front of me, and i know what it does | 12:29 |
| timeless | but i also know what the menu item says | 12:29 |
| timeless | and that isn't what it does | 12:29 |
| aquatix | looks for the text in currently selected feed | 12:30 |
| aquatix | *feed's posts | 12:30 |
| timeless | aquatix: fwiw, it doesn't precisely search in the selected feed | 12:30 |
| timeless | for one amusing case | 12:30 |
| timeless | (it can be searching in 'search results') | 12:30 |
| aquatix | huh? | 12:30 |
| timeless | you can 'search' all feeds | 12:30 |
| timeless | and then find within that resulting <thing> | 12:30 |
| aquatix | ah right | 12:31 |
| timeless | ok, so. the next question is... | 12:31 |
| timeless | what kind of 'thing' are we talking about? | 12:31 |
| timeless | is it a 'folder'? | 12:32 |
| timeless | is it an 'apple'? | 12:32 |
| aquatix | search results view? | 12:32 |
| timeless | is it a 'web page'? | 12:32 |
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| timeless | well, it's either the unlost portion of a feed, or the search results | 12:32 |
| timeless | so what describes *that* :) | 12:32 |
| aquatix | `everything we could find' | 12:32 |
| aquatix | :P | 12:32 |
| timeless | "Find in everything we coudl find" | 12:33 |
| timeless | yeah um... | 12:33 |
| aquatix | haha | 12:33 |
| aquatix | "Find in search results and cached news items"? | 12:33 |
| aquatix | or is that too technical? | 12:33 |
| timeless | too technical, and technically wrong | 12:33 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:34 |
| timeless | since it's only searching either search results | 12:34 |
| lcukx41 | "Global search*" *YMMV | 12:34 |
| timeless | or one portion of cached news item | 12:34 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: yeah, something like that | 12:34 |
| timeless | lcukx41: stick around, i'll get to insulting that later | 12:34 |
| aquatix | hahahahaa | 12:34 |
| timeless | (it will take a while) | 12:34 |
| lcukx41 | lol | 12:34 |
| timeless | my current favorite is | 12:34 |
| timeless | i'm using 'search' for 'a' | 12:34 |
| timeless | and then find for 'police' | 12:35 |
| timeless | it finds police a few times | 12:35 |
| timeless | and then helpfully says 'no matches ofund' | 12:35 |
| timeless | (typos mine) | 12:35 |
| timeless | ok... | 12:36 |
| timeless | so, would "Find in pane" be ok? | 12:36 |
| lcukx41 | my eldest is being so nice to me :D he wants to go out today (was grounded yesterday) i have 2 brews now :D | 12:36 |
| aquatix | "what's a pane?" | 12:36 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: lol | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | lcukx41, planning on grounding him more often? :P | 12:36 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: he/she knows you well ;) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: he was grounded for stealing beer? ;) | 12:37 |
| aquatix | erm, he | 12:37 |
| lcukx41 | yeah he does | 12:37 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: lol | 12:37 |
| lcukx41 | lolol no | 12:37 |
| timeless | aquatix: answer: a pane is described in the help :^b | 12:37 |
| lcukx41 | he was grounded because he had a detention on friday | 12:37 |
| timeless | see 'Browse subscribed feeds' | 12:37 |
| timeless | The RSS feed reader displays information in two panes. | 12:38 |
| timeless | msgid "rss_me_full_screen" | 12:40 |
| timeless | msgstr "Full screen" | 12:40 |
| timeless | msgid "rss_me_fullscreen" | 12:40 |
| timeless | msgstr "Full screen" | 12:40 |
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| timeless | anyone wanna guess what the localization comments have to say about those two? :) | 12:40 |
| lcukx41 | luke wants linerider in liqbase | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | Shame the flash version runs like shit on tablets :( | 12:41 |
| aquatix | timeless: `gaaaah'? | 12:41 |
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| lcukx41 | yeah qwerty, we know | 12:41 |
| timeless | # | 12:41 |
| lcukx41 | but i know i could render it nicely | 12:42 |
| timeless | it's very verbose :) | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | without all the browser overheads | 12:42 |
| aquatix | timeless: ghehehe | 12:42 |
| timeless | technically, one # for each of those two items :) | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | is there an opensource linerider | 12:42 |
| timeless | what's a line rider? | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | even in actionscript | 12:42 |
| aquatix | yeah, what's linerider? :) | 12:42 |
| * aquatix googles | 12:42 | |
| lcukx41 | linerider is hand drawn sketch dynamics | 12:42 |
| aquatix | like numpty physics? | 12:43 |
| lcukx41 | little dude falls and interacts with the sketches | 12:43 |
| lcukx41 | different, simpler | 12:43 |
| aquatix | ah, k | 12:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=bcu8ZdJ2dQo&gl=US <- neat | 12:43 |
| lcukx41 | luke has just said "YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS" hwen i said we are looking :) | 12:44 |
| aquatix | awesome | 12:44 |
| lcukx41 | him and his mates all play at school :) and he tries on the tablet and is unhappy with performance | 12:45 |
| lcukx41 | the drawings are so simple though that liqbase could really shine with it | 12:45 |
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| lcukx41 | hmmmm | 12:46 |
| lcukx41 | that could be a really intersting project for him, | 12:48 |
| lcukx41 | also for me, cos its unlimited page size | 12:49 |
| mavhc | says "find in page" here, which is apparently what it does | 12:51 |
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| timeless | mavhc: you're missing a key detail | 12:54 |
| timeless | there's no 'page' | 12:54 |
| timeless | a page is a certain form of document | 12:55 |
| timeless | and the thing you're searching isn't that | 12:55 |
| timeless | please note that i've filed bugs about find in page in mail | 12:55 |
| timeless | someone else's bug on the same subject finally got it fixed for fremantlw | 12:55 |
| mavhc | ok, find in current view? | 12:55 |
| timeless | but it was a bug when i first filed it | 12:55 |
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| timeless | i've picked 'find in pane' because 'pane' is listed in the help | 12:56 |
| timeless | if you think 'find in current view' is ok as a menu item (lengthwise) and in meaning, i'm willing to use it | 12:56 |
| timeless | i considered it but don't think it adds much value and don't like the extra width | 12:56 |
| timeless | and just 'find in view' ends up being problematic | 12:56 |
| mavhc | I'm fine with page | 12:56 |
| timeless | not quite picky enough :) | 12:57 |
| mavhc | translation is a bitch apparently | 12:57 |
| timeless | but, in that case, i hope you enjoy your nokia(c) product :) | 12:57 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:58 | |
| timeless | where's the warning label that the feed reader might not start if it has too many subscribed feeds? | 12:58 |
| * lcukx41 offers timeless a shot of vodka | 12:58 | |
| * timeless declines | 12:58 | |
| timeless | a group of russians offered me money on friday | 12:58 |
| * lcukx41 persists | 12:58 | |
| * timeless was very thankful for the offer | 12:59 | |
| * timeless had to decline | 12:59 | |
| mavhc | I wish they'd fix videocenter to not corrupt its database | 12:59 |
| lcukx41 | heh | 12:59 |
| timeless | any other day i'd have accepted | 12:59 |
| timeless | it was just bad timing | 12:59 |
| * lcukx41 iwll remember that for the next summit | 12:59 | |
| timeless | but i was just glad to help them and glad that they showed their appreciation | 12:59 |
| timeless | mavhc: i'm not sure the video center people exist | 12:59 |
| * timeless should check | 12:59 | |
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| mavhc | I've found only dl'ing one thing at a time helps | 13:01 |
| timeless | yeah, but you probably don't have 250-300 subscriptions | 13:02 |
| timeless | the feed reader isn't starting | 13:02 |
| timeless | all i get is a white screen | 13:02 |
| timeless | well, ok, "that's a start" | 13:02 |
| RST38h | MAD Magazine is about to put out its 500th issue, but starting with its April publication, the mag is cutting down to only four issues per year. The feedback we've gotten from readers,' quipped Editor John Ficarra, 'is that only every third issue of MAD is funny, so we've decided to just publish those.' MAD Kids and MAD Classics are ceasing publication entirely. | 13:02 |
| * RST38h weeps silently | 13:02 | |
| timeless | but is it too much to hask for a toolbar? | 13:02 |
| timeless | rst38h: you're slow, that's been on /. for minutes! :) | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | moo johnx | 13:03 |
| lcukx41 | hola! johnx | 13:03 |
| aquatix | timeless: your reader finally showed your /. feed? ;) | 13:03 |
| johnx | hi | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 13:03 |
| aquatix | hey johnx | 13:03 |
| * johnx hates sundays O_o | 13:03 | |
| johnx | hi all :D | 13:04 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't like hildon-input-method atm | 13:04 | |
| johnx | not treating you right? | 13:04 |
| timeless | aquatix: i read /. in ff | 13:04 |
| aquatix | timeless: ah ;) | 13:04 |
| mavhc | I have 4 feeds in the rss reader | 13:04 |
| timeless | my reader is showing me a perfect image of a white screen | 13:04 |
| timeless | except for the uggly TN stuff :) | 13:04 |
| mavhc | the comments are better than the articles anyway, as usual | 13:05 |
| aquatix | timeless: that's not minutes, that's 1.5h | 13:05 |
| timeless | eh, i'm reading the monty python comments atm | 13:05 |
| lcukx41 | johnx, sundays arent so bad, it means you got through another week | 13:05 |
| aquatix | mavhc: yeah, i have 4 feeds in the reader too | 13:05 |
| timeless | i'd have to go back to check the time | 13:05 |
| johnx | lcukx41, sundays are my biggest work day | 13:05 |
| timeless | But was it an increase in African or European DVD sales? | 13:05 |
| timeless | African DVDs are non-migratory. | 13:05 |
| aquatix | timeless: well, according to my personal homepage, which has the feed in a box :) | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not popping up | 13:05 |
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| mavhc | african dvds are all pirate copies anyway | 13:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, for osso-xterm? or anything? | 13:06 |
| lcukx41 | johnx, mine too but ive got the kids this morning | 13:06 |
| lcukx41 | sunday mornings are for sleeping, not picking "Mac" out of the bath after he fell in at 8am | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: discovered i had forgotten to update HIM with fremantle versions | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | of course they don't work correctly.. | 13:06 |
| lcukx41 | Mack! | 13:06 |
| aquatix | wtf @ Downadup Worm | 13:07 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, the big question is "Are they supposed to work? -and- Do they work for people inside Nokia?" | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: they probably have hw keyboards :P | 13:07 |
| mavhc | what do I need to restore from backup to get my homepage radio player applet channels back? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: add yourself onto http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People btw :P | 13:08 |
| timeless | is what supposed to work? | 13:09 |
| lcukx41 | johnx, dont he will wikirevert you, you have to send him an email | 13:09 |
| johnx | timeless, fremantle level h-i-m | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: mostly formal to get people on jaiku :P | 13:10 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, fine, fine. :P | 13:10 |
| timeless | so you mean an osk? | 13:10 |
| timeless | yes they work | 13:10 |
| lcukx41 | i know that lol | 13:10 |
| timeless | where work means they crash less often than h-d | 13:10 |
| timeless | (which is a useless statement, since h-d crashes constantly) | 13:10 |
| * Stskeeps tries to recompile the vkb example | 13:10 | |
| timeless | mavhc: wanna try breaking your feed reader? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: at least it breaks both on x86 and armel :P | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's always nice to be able to test that | 13:11 |
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| johnx | I do prefer those bugs, I must admit | 13:11 |
| timeless | you like consistency? | 13:12 |
| timeless | that's no fun | 13:12 |
| timeless | where's the excitement? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: then again i want to strange pulseaudio.. | 13:12 |
| timeless | strangle? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, strangle | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:13 |
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| timeless | strange, why? :p | 13:13 |
| lcukx41 | has anyone seen these very expensive keyboards with lcd display in the middle for showing feeds and stuff | 13:13 |
| timeless | lcukx41: i never got approval for the laser keyboard :( | 13:13 |
| johnx | lcuk810, yeah, it's called a nokia n810, right? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, it starts having weird mutex errors on armel occasionally | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:13 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: you mean those things called `laptops'? | 13:13 |
| lcukx41 | lol johnx | 13:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: Why not start by murdering ALSA first? | 13:13 |
| lcukx41 | gaming keyboards | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: alsa doesn't die through assertions constantly | 13:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: Dies for me. | 13:14 |
| lcukx41 | our tablets dont interact with desktop that often | 13:14 |
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| aquatix | lcukx41: i saw one with an lcd on the right, but that was an Asus htpc-in-keyboard | 13:14 |
| lcukx41 | ill find the link once flash and stuff is installed | 13:14 |
| timeless | hrm | 13:15 |
| timeless | you can sort in the feed reader? | 13:16 |
| johnx | lcuk810, some logitech thing, right? I actually have/had a laptop that had a screen under the touchpad, but it was kind of an awful laptop... | 13:16 |
| aquatix | apparently | 13:16 |
| timeless | does it do something useful? | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | lcukx41, a logitech g15? | 13:16 |
| lcukx41 | firefox is a look at te logitech g15, its not the exact model but thats the sort of thing | 13:17 |
| lcukx41 | the one i saw on friday had a 320*240 lcd in same location | 13:17 |
| lcukx41 | lol yeah | 13:17 |
| * timeless wonders why software would look at hardware | 13:17 | |
| aquatix | timeless: only if you want to sort news postings alfabetically | 13:17 |
| aquatix | on `name' no less :/ | 13:17 |
| lcukx41 | helps if i read | 13:17 |
| * aquatix is off for a bit | 13:18 | |
| aquatix | timeless: good luck | 13:18 |
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| lcukx41 | g19 | 13:18 |
| lcukx41 | anyway, i have written numerous applications which interact with windows | 13:19 |
| lcukx41 | from little servers to fullblown desktop apps | 13:19 |
| lcukx41 | my n810 sits between keyboard and monitor just like that | 13:19 |
| lcukx41 | clicking on links on the tablet should be made to open windows in windows | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: heads up, synaptics driver tries to steal your touchscreen input btw :P | 13:20 |
| johnx | ah, cute | 13:20 |
| johnx | yeah, saw that on jaiku | 13:20 |
| johnx | was quite worried about what was meant by "harmfull" :P | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | blows up your tablet ;P | 13:21 |
| lcukx41 | xsp driver eats input too | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: this one thinks your touchscreen is a synaptics tablet | 13:21 |
| lcukx41 | ahh | 13:22 |
| lcukx41 | but the touch sensitivity of tablet is not right is it | 13:22 |
| lcukx41 | synaptics use a textured surface to ensure it knows you are touching it | 13:23 |
| lcukx41 | i can techncially stroke across tablet without registering | 13:23 |
| RST38h | also the tablet does not report pressure correctly | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | well it shouldn't be touching the device at all :) | 13:24 |
| lcukx41 | RST38h: pressue isnt that big a deal re synaptics | 13:24 |
| RST38h | heh | 13:25 |
| timeless | hrm, this outchpad is alps | 13:25 |
| lcukx41 | but yeah, there is an uneven distribution of pressure - same with most touch devices | 13:25 |
| lcukx41 | very difficult to get something calibrated and true | 13:26 |
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| lcukx41 | "ouchpad" if you poke it too hard it cries | 13:27 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: isn't uneven pressure distribution easy to calibrate for? | 13:29 |
| RST38h | I mean, it should still be relatively linear | 13:29 |
| RST38h | and will depend on how the display is bent | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think i'm reverting HIM, they don't seem to work sanely | 13:29 |
| lcukx41 | its not linear though, its gonna be roughly the same for each device due to the layout of the wiring) | 13:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: for small bends (i.e. much smaller than the overall surface size) it is going to be close to lienar | 13:31 |
| lcukx41 | you need to map where you get interference and lower resolution for the same pressure pressed and create a pair of glasses for it | 13:31 |
| RST38h | aha | 13:31 |
| lcukx41 | a similar map is needed to fix the interference for the camera :) | 13:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, seems totally reasonable. | 13:32 |
| lcukx41 | (they did the same for hubble as well) | 13:32 |
| * RST38h is impressed now =) | 13:32 | |
| lcukx41 | heh | 13:32 |
| RST38h | all right, TTG | 13:32 |
| * RST38h made one more fix to the frame rate counter but not going to upload this version to extras for now | 13:33 | |
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| lcukx41 | :) cya later rst | 13:33 |
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| RST38h | actually, two fixes, second one dealing with interpolating video buffers which have non-1:1 dimensions | 13:33 |
| pupnik | shouldn't the OS handle pressure compensation? | 13:34 |
| lopz | hola | 13:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Should be handled in the driver but isn't | 13:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I do not think the pressure value was very important for Maemo guys - the OS UI has no use for it | 13:34 |
| lcukx41 | pupnik, yes but its very specific to the panel and device its situated within, the OS could allow a mapping file to be linked to each input device to smooth it out, but to be honest, its just not worth the extra hassle or complexity | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: pressure is useful in xournal for instance | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | when writing | 13:35 |
| lcukx41 | the normal input does not use pressure so a gradient doesnt matter so much | 13:35 |
| lcukx41 | and thats coming from someone who had pressure in liqbase from the start :) | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | ok thanks lcukx41 | 13:36 |
| lcukx41 | and even with a slightly uneven distribution of pressure gradients its just like now when drawing with pencil on paper, you will get uneven sections | 13:36 |
| pupnik | how do you like the x41 so far? | 13:36 |
| pupnik | i got lucky with my display | 13:37 |
| lcukx41 | :) well im in bed now, its the first proper laptop ive had and battery lasts amazingly well and its nice | 13:37 |
| lcukx41 | (battery lasts cos i am locked to 800mhz) | 13:37 |
| lcukx41 | or its just decent lol, am used to craptops which have bad bateries | 13:39 |
| pupnik | how good is the screen in moderate lighting (daylight, indoor) | 13:41 |
| pupnik | @ lcukx41 | 13:41 |
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| lcukx41 | pupnik i havent noticed a problem with it, its just a screen | 13:42 |
| thopiekar | Could someone please explain me how to build a single package of multi-source-package? for example: php5 => php5-mysql | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | build entire thing :P | 13:43 |
| pupnik | you could build all the stuff seperately | 13:44 |
| thopiekar | pupnik: how? | 13:44 |
| pupnik | then manually pack the stuff into one big .deb using dpkg | 13:44 |
| pupnik | but that violates how the debian packaging system is supposed to work | 13:44 |
| pupnik | using dpkg command, you can pack any tree of stuff into a .deb which will install | 13:45 |
| pupnik | but i won't assist further in doing bad things :P | 13:45 |
| thopiekar | pupnik: no... "dpkg-buildpackage -h" wants to make lots of packages ... php5 and it's plugins but I just need php5 and one of the plugins | 13:45 |
| pupnik | ohhh | 13:46 |
| thopiekar | jes | 13:46 |
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| johnx | thopiekar, it's easiest to just let it build all the packages | 13:46 |
| pupnik | then you can/must edit the buildfiles in the "debian" directory of the source package | 13:46 |
| pupnik | pull out unneeded deps from debian/rules etc | 13:47 |
| pupnik | but the exact steps can vary | 13:47 |
| johnx | need to edit: debian/files debian/control and debian/rules | 13:47 |
| johnx | at least | 13:47 |
| thopiekar | johnx: but I don't need every plugin of the multipackage and solving all dependences is wasting time -.- | 13:48 |
| thopiekar | johnx, pupnik: thanks | 13:49 |
| * Stskeeps hugs Mer | 13:49 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, :) | 13:50 |
| lcukx41 | is it just me or is the debmaster job saga feeling like "x factor" ? | 13:50 |
| johnx | lcukx41, like x-men? | 13:51 |
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| lcukx41 | lol no | 13:52 |
| lcukx41 | unless we have some super heroes | 13:52 |
| * johnx wanted a mutant debmaster | 13:52 | |
| johnx | improper debian/changelog file! *laser eyes* | 13:52 |
| lcukx41 | i think the council should get themselves some lycra suits and become the powerrangers | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: bad bad mental image | 13:53 |
| lcukx41 | i think i should get out of bed anyway | 13:53 |
| lcukx41 | Stskeeps: hahahaha yeah | 13:53 |
| lcukx41 | bbl | 13:53 |
| johnx | they have something waaaay better than the power rangers here. They're like the power rangers, except instead of a secret base they drive a lunch truck | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: only in japan.. | 13:56 |
| johnx | :D | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, am i the only one who think it's odd you can thumbs up both on planet and on a community council post? | 14:00 |
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| johnx | heh | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | i sense karma corruption! | 14:00 |
| johnx | cultural note: in some countries the thumbs down means "I'll kill you." | 14:00 |
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| bongo | and thumbs up? | 14:10 |
| johnx | nah, that's safe everywhere :P | 14:10 |
| bongo | i'll f**K you? | 14:10 |
| johnx | don't be silly :D | 14:10 |
| bongo | :D | 14:10 |
| bongo | me? never .... | 14:11 |
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| * bongo will be back (time for ganja) | 14:13 | |
| johnx | bongo, FYI: publicly logged channel :) | 14:14 |
| lcuk | johnx, could be in acountry where it doesnt matter | 14:14 |
| lcuk | or he just doesnt care | 14:14 |
| bongo | i don't care | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | .de? tell that to the customs people i ran into back in 2002 | 14:14 |
| johnx | hence the 'FYI' and not 'OHNOES!!!' | 14:15 |
| * suihkulokki wonders when immigration people will start to google ones name before letting in | 14:15 | |
| bongo | I live 88 km | 14:15 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, i have something like 7 billion google results | 14:16 |
| pupnik | the USA blocked Cat Steven's entry just recently | 14:16 |
| bongo | 8 km away from the netherlands | 14:16 |
| bongo | so nobody cares about smoking here | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did we figure out why nit-kernel-compat crashed btw? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | (benson tried it i think) | 14:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nope, I've never looked at it tbh | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'll look at it tomorrow i think | 14:18 |
| lcuk | anyone want anything from the shop while im there | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: bread | 14:19 |
| johnx | lcuk, a good british beer | 14:19 |
| pupnik | Haha for lcuk -- your GBP in 3 years http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/economy/weimar.jpg | 14:20 |
| pupnik | "your turn!" - lolz | 14:20 |
| lcuk | johnx, do they exist? | 14:20 |
| lcuk | hehe pupnik | 14:21 |
| johnx | lcuk, dunno, you're the one at the store :P | 14:21 |
| lcuk | not yet im not and i dont think my wifi will last | 14:21 |
| lcuk | suppose i need to find out | 14:21 |
| lcuk810 | wed shall see | 14:22 |
| johnx | gah, editing wiki tables is ugly | 14:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, er, wait, so did you want me to add myself directly to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People or send you an email? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just add yourself :P | 14:27 |
| * johnx adds self, breaks the table | 14:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: btw advanced power, gconf is in python-gconf | 14:30 |
| johnx | there, fine. :P joined the Mer project finally | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ok. I'll fix it later | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ta, sorry to be bugging you :) | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's really impressive some of the gaps maemo has towards upstream :P | 14:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, it's no problems :) | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: btw was your hildon-desktop-env with root password and admins group ever built? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | (can't recall :P) | 14:35 |
| johnx | nope. actually, I have time to test it now | 14:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but don't delete the source packages now please, i don't have them available locally :p | 14:35 |
| johnx | these last two days the real world was being rather time intensive | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i had that last week | 14:35 |
| johnx | people! in my house! sleeping on my floor! | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | i've sat so much time studying and writing on paper that my neck is complaining :P | 14:35 |
| johnx | finally done though right? | 14:36 |
| lcuk810 | mmm | 14:36 |
| lcuk810 | will it last | 14:36 |
| johnx | lcuk810, are you walking to the store connected to wifi? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, and courses starting again tomorrow | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | only one course and exam in 1/2 a year | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | and thesis exam in 3/4 year | 14:37 |
| johnx | skeery | 14:37 |
| johnx | at least you're free for now though | 14:37 |
| johnx | and the first week of classes never counts | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. should start cleaning the house though | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | as gf is coming home | 14:37 |
| johnx | I don't just have to clean...I have to get ready to move O_o | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | ick :P moving to another apartment in jp or? | 14:38 |
| johnx | back to the US :) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:38 |
| * Stskeeps glares at hildon input method | 14:39 | |
| johnx | sure will be fun trying to figure out what to do with the stuff we've accumulated over 2 years here | 14:39 |
| Macer | hm | 14:39 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: that thing still running slow for you? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: haven't been touching it to be honest, been so busy last week | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | and then i've just been hacking away at Mer | 14:40 |
| lcuk810 | yes | 14:40 |
| Macer | ah.. ok | 14:40 |
| lcuk810 | i think it dropped though | 14:40 |
| lcuk810 | i couldnt see any updates | 14:40 |
| lcuk810 | shall have to improvethat soon | 14:41 |
| Macer | well.. let me know if you still use it or have problems with it | 14:41 |
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| Macer | if you do then i'll just give you a dedicated box here when i get the time to build it | 14:41 |
| johnx | lcuk810, so are you switching APs as you go or just walking really slowly and haven't made it out of your front yard yet? | 14:41 |
| * Stskeeps glares at hildon input method again | 14:41 | |
| lcuk | walked about 200mts to the shop | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | why doesn't it work in the old version now | 14:41 |
| lcuk | i need a better ap on my roof | 14:42 |
| lcuk | its like old cb | 14:42 |
| lcuk | ill put a big 22ft pole up there | 14:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, then get busted by the UK equivalent of the FCC | 14:43 |
| lcuk | why? i wouldnt up the wattage | 14:44 |
| lcuk | i can use a large antenna and not do anything illegal :) | 14:44 |
| lcuk | unless of course its so large it gets in the flightpath | 14:44 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess I was thinking a directional antenna | 14:44 |
| lcuk | directional or not, the problem is the power output | 14:45 |
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| johnx | but directional = more power output in a certain area | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | yeah, but still only at most X watts whatever is being put out | 14:46 |
| johnx | right, but the law is usually about wattage directed at a given space | 14:46 |
| lcuk | i could be living next door to someone with an omnidirectional rig outputting the same power and have the same problem | 14:47 |
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| johnx | yes, you're free to have your problems anywhere | 14:47 |
| Veggen | johnx: in ham radio, you can do those things. | 14:48 |
| Veggen | make your antenna as directional as you want. | 14:48 |
| johnx | but HAM radio is licensed | 14:48 |
| Veggen | yah. | 14:48 |
| thopiekar | I have a problem to build some debs from the apt-sources (of ubuntu).. to make a fresh debhelper .deb (for maemo) I need man-db but man-db requires debhelper, too...!! | 14:48 |
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| johnx | lcuk, (rereading) didn't mean to come off quite that snarky ... :( | 14:53 |
| lcuk | didnt think you were johnx :) | 14:54 |
| johnx | I tend to worry about how I come across in a text only medium | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: do you remember our strange h-d & pulseaudio problem? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | with the mutexes and mabob | 14:58 |
| johnx | that magically went away with xorg vs xomap? | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | or was this hildon input method.. | 14:58 |
| johnx | ah, sorry. yeah, that was h-i-m | 14:59 |
| johnx | didn't remember an h-d problem with pulse I thought... | 14:59 |
| johnx | gah | 14:59 |
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| * johnx loses his mind | 14:59 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:59 |
| * Stskeeps did that last night | 14:59 | |
| johnx | I'm just really glad I take mondays off | 15:00 |
| * timeless tries to decide which is a better localization comment | 15:02 | |
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| timeless | # Main title of application menu: D | 15:02 |
| timeless | msgstr "View" | 15:02 |
| timeless | # Main title of application menu: Close | 15:03 |
| timeless | msgstr "Help" | 15:03 |
| timeless | anyone have a preference? :) | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Help going to 'Close' would be kinda ironic.. | 15:03 |
| thopiekar | hmm why isn't debconf-utils not available in the diablo-sdk repo? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: because Maemo is werid | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
| * thopiekar needs it to make packages of openldap2 | 15:03 | |
| Stskeeps | it's not for fun that we do Mer | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, part of it is | 15:04 |
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| timeless | obviously the most helpful thing the app can do is run away | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i've lost hope in computers. old HIM packages breaks too | 15:04 |
| timeless | and let you find some other app to run | 15:04 |
| timeless | :) | 15:04 |
| johnx | yeah, definitely h-i-m dying in xomap and/or pulseaudio | 15:05 |
| * thopiekar is going crazy when looking at his mindmap to solve all dependences for php5 !! | 15:05 | |
| johnx | if my memory is going to keep going dowhill I'm going to need to get a lot better at grepping logs | 15:05 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, cant you just build everything | 15:05 |
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| johnx | lcuk, that's the problem :P he needs to build some dependencies for php5, and they have dependencies, etc | 15:06 |
| thopiekar | lcuk: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot says that some packages are missing | 15:06 |
| thopiekar | johnx: thats right | 15:07 |
| johnx | Omegamoon, hey. I think I'm close to having an xserver-kdrive deb source package for ubuntu :) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, might be simpler starting with gentoo :D | 15:07 |
| thopiekar | the best thing is that debhelper depends on man-db and man-db on debhelper -.-! | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-php5-mysql.png <- and this is why i love Mer. | 15:07 |
| thopiekar | have you ready packages? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | yup, most of ubuntu :) | 15:08 |
| * thopiekar asks himself why on hell he is building the packages... | 15:09 | |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: where can i find them? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: because you want it to work on Maemo? :P | 15:09 |
| lcuk | cos for now mer is not complete | 15:09 |
| lcuk | :( | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | and what lcuk said | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | people | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | 'll have to wait a bit :P | 15:09 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: so these are not armel-packages? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: those are armel packages but im not confident they'd work on maemo | 15:09 |
| johnx | I'm confident they won't work on maemo | 15:10 |
| thopiekar | hmm should I continue my dirty work? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: it's good practice.. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:11 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: what are you trying to do exactly btw? | 15:11 |
| thopiekar | build all packages of the multipackage php5-xy (the newest version of ubuntu) | 15:12 |
| lcuk | same as everyone else, take over the world one package at a time | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: for what purpose, i meant | 15:12 |
| thopiekar | aah someone wrote me yesterday on irc he would need php-mysql5 | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 15:13 |
| johnx | thought so :) | 15:13 |
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| * lcuk giggles | 15:13 | |
| johnx | thopiekar, you're a more generous man than me :) | 15:13 |
| thopiekar | i just ./configure;make:make install uploaded it to rapidshare and he gave me 4,55€'s^^ but than he said that he needs debs | 15:14 |
| thopiekar | so i'm now working on it | 15:14 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah, and he wouldn't take my 27 euro rate :P | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 15:14 |
| johnx | ahaha...last time I sold homework was in school | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | ;D | 15:15 |
| johnx | how much will you charge not to tell his teacher? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: bashism in advanced-power postinst btw | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm testing it with hald-addon-bme :P) | 15:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, the reboot part? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 'twas taken from the original :), but unless the maemo-confirm-text exists, it shouldn't show | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: maybe we should set up a consultant house for maemo matters.. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:18 |
| johnx | huh...paid tech support for mer? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just for strange things you can do with mer and maemo if people cant be bothered figuring it out ;> | 15:18 |
| * thopiekar is building tcl8.4 packages | 15:19 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you wanna save time, they're in the debfarm repo | 15:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (tcl + tk) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: for release versions we should consider chvt tricks to hide some of the nasty things hildon shows while booting.. | 15:20 |
| thopiekar | hmm I should edit my sources.list | 15:20 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll add that to my auto-startx todo list. but, anyways, I'm too tired to be useful tonight. will test and build stuff tomorrow | 15:22 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with a proper business consultancy service tbh | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, advanced-power is very maemoized :P | 15:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | good or bad thing? :) | 15:23 |
| * lcuk is enjoying adding new widgets, starting to get comfortable with the api and how to manage it | 15:24 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: as in, we don't have run-standalone.sh for instance | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, ah, should be added though imo | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | advanced-power-monitor, that is | 15:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Did the gconf schema import succeed? | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | think so | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wicked | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does AP require APMD? | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, since ap 0.3.5, yer | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | also, gconf problem is solved with import gconf instead of from gnome import gconf | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | (your dependancies are correct) | 15:28 |
| * thopiekar got a headache when seeing gcj as a dependency | 15:29 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cool, I'll fix in about 3 hours | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | > Unmet build dependencies: gfortran | fortran95-compiler ..... | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | means that I need gfortran or fortran95-compiler, right? | 15:31 |
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| * thopiekar has 'touched' the end of the dependency-tree | 15:41 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:41 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, RMS is saying "bad touch! bad touch!" | 15:42 |
| thopiekar | RMS? | 15:42 |
| lcuk | http://linux.ues.edu.sv/servidor/maracosas/bruno2d/richard-stallman.jpg | 15:43 |
| thopiekar | dpkg-buildpackage @ gcc: needed packages: dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15) debhelper (>= 5.0.62) autogen dejagnu lzma binutils (>= 2.17cvs20070426) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.17cvs20070426) gperf (>= 3.0.1) bison (>= 1:2.3) flex libmpfr-dev (>= 2.3.0) realpath (>= 1.9.12) graphviz (>= 2.2) gsfonts-x11 texlive-latex-base | 15:44 |
| thopiekar | almost upgrades -.- | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa has done a wicked job with the Mer front page :) | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, hasn't he just :) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-statusbar-battery dies when you put in charger :> | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | funky | 15:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Take it that AP didn't go so well? :P | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: added the run-standalone thing to todo | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm just trying different things from maemo | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jook it from the sdk | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/jook/steal/ | 15:49 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: steal it from the sdk | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, except our ways of dealing with maemo settings is a bit different :) | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 15:50 |
| * lcuk is constantly impressed by how this is progressing | 15:53 | |
| lcuk | :) there will be a video as soon as all the pieces come together | 15:54 |
| lcuk | then code to play with | 15:54 |
| lcuk | pkg-config doesnt know where to find docs for specific libraries does it | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-homeip.png | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | khertan_: you need to add 'eth0' option to homeip too ;) | 16:04 |
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| Jake42-2 | Stskeeps, are you active? | 16:18 |
| thopiekar | Jake42-2: more than you can beleave^^ | 16:18 |
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| thopiekar | argh! could someone please tell me what happend? | 16:41 |
| thopiekar | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 16:41 |
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| thopiekar | hey pupnik | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | re | 16:43 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: ta for the nice comment about the homepage, btw | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, no problem, thanks for the work you've put into it. (as an outsider) it really makes Mer look good :) | 16:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, if this is ubuntu, google scratchbox+mmap+sysctf.conf | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | sysctl.conf | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meh, too late | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, thanks | 16:47 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: what's the mer homepage? | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | ~mer | 16:47 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | That ---^ | 16:47 |
| thopiekar | back, again.. | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: the "Latest Activity" will now include any planet posts talking about mer | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | oki | 16:51 |
| emma_goldstein | i'm searching for a terminal where i can position the cursor with the stylus - anything out there? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | roxterm maybe and the application understanding x terminal cursor stuff? :P | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'll get round to actually testing advanced-power myself in Mer and fixing any problems I see arising | 16:52 |
| lcuk | emma_goldstein, people commonly use window managers and GUIs for that :P | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright | 16:53 |
| * Stskeeps should go down and take the dishes | 16:53 | |
| emma_goldstein | ***lcuk - ??? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | when they wanna use cursors and clicking things | 16:55 |
| emma_goldstein | lcuk: and what terminal emulater can i use for that on maemo? i just added shortcuts for left and right keys but even this is annoying when you want to change anything in the beginning of the line | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | i dunno emma, what about adding shortcuts for home and end? | 17:02 |
| radic_ | where can I find the usb-home-plugin? | 17:02 |
| lcuk | i assume the default one will work with it | 17:02 |
| t_s_o | the dpad acts as arrow keys, just hold down one direction... | 17:02 |
| emma_goldstein | lcuk: sure, i'm just used to it from my os to click in the line and type, it's really a saver | 17:06 |
| lcuk | i cant do that in mine | 17:07 |
| t_s_o | i cant comment on whats provided in maemo, but iirc, bash and zsh have key combos that will take one back or forward a word at a time... | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | emma_goldstein, you know you can use the dpad, right? | 17:08 |
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| emma_goldstein | ga: sure, i'm just a heavy stylus user (coming from the newton), so i got to get comfort with sliding the keys | 17:09 |
| radic_ | I couldn't find the damn usb home plugin... | 17:10 |
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| aquatix | Jaffa: ah, check :) | 17:14 |
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| aquatix | Jaffa: looks nice indeed | 17:14 |
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| radic_ | qwerty12_N800: can you help me to find that plugin? | 17:24 |
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| * thopiekar is building perl more than 1hour long on sb1 -.-' | 17:43 | |
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| arocs | Hi... | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf @ "underwater" scene mode | 17:55 |
| t_s_o | ? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | in the camera modes :P | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | of rx-51 | 17:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what you dont take your n810 with you when you go diving? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i don't have a n810 :( | 17:58 |
| * lcuk has taken his n810 with him every time he has been diving in the last year.. | 17:58 | |
| lcuk | that reminds, me i must actually go diving this year | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | thought you had one of everything | 17:58 |
| dob | Stskeeps: for shooting at an aquarium? :) | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | dob: maybe | 17:59 |
| b-man | hi, Stskeeps | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon b-man | 17:59 |
| t_s_o | or maybe to give images that underwater feel? ;) | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I see repository.mer.tspre.org got icons :P | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | it does? | 18:00 |
| b-man | yes | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | where? :P | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/a/advanced-power/ | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | lookie at the icons :) | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm betting t_s_o's right on this one. ;) | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i mirror it from the master repo s | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | o | 18:01 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the snow_beach one is more like the n8x0 camera | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Need to fix my advanced-power package so I was in there so I could get my source packages again | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: one reason why bzr is nice :P | 18:01 |
| * Jaffa prods GeneralAntilles about interview questions, whilst packing up his (Jaffa's, not GeneralAntilles') kids | 18:01 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what modifications on general are required to maemo sources to get them compiled with the new hildon and mer in general | 18:02 |
| * b-man just updated his ubuntu guide to include a new and improved rootstrap image - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 | 18:02 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'll never turn to the dark side :P | 18:02 |
| * Jaffa likes bzr (still not sure I prefer it to the simplicity of Subversion), but still not convinced about git | 18:02 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: depends if you use libtool in a bad way or not | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: we do very minimal changes, often it involves adding libtool, autoconf and automake to build-dependancies | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | as people are -spoiled- by scratchbox | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:03 |
| lcuk | thats not a very useful answer, are you having to make actual code modifications to most things | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | or are these patches mainly in the packaging | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: packaging | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, for xchat, all it required me was to remove conic code. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it varies how much we have to patch to bring maemo code to the future.. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it's technically stuck back in 2005 some of it :) | 18:04 |
| arocs | Anyone knows a good aplication to use chat with webcam? i use amsn but it is very buggy. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: and patterns are emerging | 18:04 |
| lcuk | yes, understood - but for the right reasons, it worked | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, want me to add python-gconf as a dependency? | 18:04 |
| arocs | i have n800 with os2008 | 18:05 |
| t_s_o | arocs: depends on who you want to chat with | 18:05 |
| arocs | normally msn windows | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, good, try to document them, it will help when the main push to upgrade comes | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's already there | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: as i could see | 18:05 |
| arocs | is it possible? | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | It's not there in the depends line of advanced power according to gedit | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hm, maybe python-gnome picks it up | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's just that "from gnome import gconf" is not true anymore | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, I'll use quilt to change that | 18:06 |
| t_s_o | then amsn is your only option, as i dont think any other software wants to touch the required lib (it got some shakey reverse engineering behind it) | 18:06 |
| arocs | what version of amsn for n800 ? | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, is there a simple equivalent of `whatever` in python? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | `whatever`? :P | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Well, the sh feature where it takes output from that command :P | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 18:07 |
| lcuk | chav version of hello world! | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:07 |
| arocs | amsn with sound ..? | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html , search for backquote | 18:08 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, what does it do | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked, thanks | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, run "echo `echo h` i" and run "echo echo h i" and you'll see | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | ahhh i thought you meant an app called whatever | 18:10 |
| * lcuk is illuminated | 18:11 | |
| b-man | lol | 18:11 |
| arocs | Somone get amsn working with sound ? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | dob: did we try mkfs.ext3'ing all over again last night btw? :P | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | just if it was a corrupted FS issue | 18:13 |
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| arocs | is amsn package been ported to maemo? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | google internettablettalk? :P | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | / search it | 18:15 |
| arocs | now i am trying the latest amsn modified version. but is very buggy | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | so it goes | 18:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power package? I've changed the import gconf line and I think that's it? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | mm, can't you just up the version? *ducks* | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | then it does it for you :P | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I do up the version but the orig.gz has the same name | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, thought you just did -sd | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, i'll delete it | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | -sd, -sa - doesn't make a difference :) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | removed | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | In advanced-power-monitor, it's run-standalone.sh that is the problem? | 18:23 |
| thopiekar | Could someone please tell me what goes there wrong... http://pastebin.com/d7bf7d67e | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, also, i don't understand why it's a init.d daemon :P | 18:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it's supposed to start for other programs that query it for info... without it starting at boot time anyway, it'd make the applet useless | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | But soon as I get the hang of subprocess, I'll fix the run-standalone issue. It's only using it to get dbus variables from af-defines | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm, it should really spit it out on system dbus | 18:26 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't totally agree with the architecture of this thing, but hm :P | 18:27 | |
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| * slonopotamus understood one thing recently. python is slow. java is slow. only C and C++ are fast. | 18:29 | |
| Stskeeps | fast in execution, but slow in development | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | use distcc + cccache? | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | s/cccache/ccache/ | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter | 18:30 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, python and java are only slow if you use entirely native java or python libraries | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | slow in development = lots of lines of code for a task | 18:31 |
| lcuk | depending on the task, scripted languages can be almost indistinguishable from native | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i'm java developer :) i know what i'm saying | 18:32 |
| lcuk | im a c developer, i know what i'm saying :) | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:33 |
| * b-man senses a language war brewing | 18:33 | |
| lcuk | not at all, ive got a lot of respect for scripted languages | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | im hopeful that libliqbase can be embedded soon :) | 18:34 |
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| radic_ | qwerty12: I've compiled the kernel without USB withelist but my hub dosn't work | 18:34 |
| * lcuk curses the name again | 18:34 | |
| qwerty12 | radic_, maybe the N800 just doesn't like that hub then. *shrug* | 18:34 |
| * b-man wonders how to fix the wlan0 issue in ubuntu | 18:35 | |
| radic_ | qwerty12: no, It worked few kernel-updates ago | 18:35 |
| soap | which brings up the question - has anyone analyzed the USB signal quality of the N8x0 hardware? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: is HAL running? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | check if hald is there | 18:36 |
| b-man | i checked and it actually was not, so i decided to use hal from deblet instead and i'm getting a similar issue | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ok, so we're having similar problems right now | 18:38 |
| b-man | i'm starting to think that somthing else is causing hal to have issues | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | i thought so too but i downloaded my HAL and it helped.. try this package: | 18:39 |
| b-man | ............... | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looking | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20004129/hal_0.5.12%7Erc1-0ubuntu2_armel.deb | 18:42 |
| b-man | thanks | 18:43 |
| b-man | btw, the nm applet iss fully functioning now. all i need is working wifi ;) | 18:45 |
| b-man | edit: is | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | and you have tablet-wireless and such? | 18:46 |
| b-man | yes | 18:47 |
| b-man | (wlan0 issue) - i believe | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it's kinda hard to test when network manager refuses to believe that I have wireless and it insists in fucking up my usbnet connection :/ | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | NetworkManager is very efficient at fucking up connections. | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | hell yes | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | fuck it, I'll mount the card on my computer and try and remove this piece of shit called network manager | 18:50 |
| b-man | hehe | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it does have /etc/network/interfaces right? O_o | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, dunno, I haven't found a way of checking because up until now, I relied on usbnet... | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | check if it has etc/network/interfaces | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | with usb0 info in it | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | usbnet was working though before network manager started. I don't even like it, wireless doesn't even work, it's just plain easier if I remove it. | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | NM, qwerty's nemesis | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | mine toooo | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I hate this horrible thing called Mer | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :P, my interfaces file seems ok: http://pastebin.com/d186a8e2b | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it shouldnt even touch usbnet thne | 18:53 |
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| * RST38h wonders whether he should set up EMULib as a separate project at Maemo | 18:55 | |
| RST38h | (the Maemo specific part, anyway) | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | btw, is fMSX Maemo open source (not as in gnu free, but the code is there)? I saw that you have source for the unix fMSX so was just wondering out of curiosity | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Yes, it is | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | The Unix source code package should have it all (albeit a bit outdated) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | ah, I wasn't looking carefully enough it seems :) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, removed all traces of network manager and now I have working usbnet with hildon-desktop running | 19:00 |
| * qwerty12 is happy :) | 19:00 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | and i have working HIM on my vm again | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | the virtualbox vm is really a blessing in terms of testing stuff | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | no more fiddling with usbnet and such | 19:01 |
| RST38h | qwerty: All you need to do is cd fMSX/Maemo and sb2 make | 19:02 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Or cd fMSX/Maemo/Package and ./package | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, in your current source zip, there is no Maemo folder but I did see ifdef's for MAEMO in fmsx.c which shows I wasn't paying attention when opened last time :) | 19:03 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Weiird shit. Ok, it means I have forgotten to release it | 19:04 |
| RST38h | qwerty: No big deal, will pack things up today or tomorrow, if I have time | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Great, thanks :) | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw, will you be trying to push for a redistributable hald-addon-bme? | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | distributable is just as good | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | well | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | for this purpose | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I was kinda not hoping to see "Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package,unless you have permission from Nokia Oyj." :( | 19:09 |
| * Stskeeps watches HAM crash after enabling red pill mode and "show all packages" | 19:12 | |
| Stskeeps | (on x86) | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | wow, it worked | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | So it rose back from the dead? | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-redpill.png | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | hah, wicked | 19:13 |
| RST38h | it is still ugly though =( | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, don't say that! you'll hurt its feelings | 19:13 |
| RST38h | I am purposely lowering its self esteem! | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Please don't make it go any more slower :( | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | oh, F6 is full screen on x86 too | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's good to know | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | advanced-power-monitor needs fixing "No module named gobject" | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | python-gobject | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I've got that installed | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hmmm. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I'll dig around and see if it needs a from | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | from gnome import gobject? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | as in, broken syntax | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-wicked.png | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | :O | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | (sick, i know) | 19:20 |
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| thopiekar | Could someone please tell me here to find the mysql-packages? | 19:21 |
| thopiekar | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mysqldatabase | 19:21 |
| thopiekar | the downloadlink sends me to the homepage of mysql | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: you better be charging a high fee for that work | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i would need at least 250 euro personally to go through that hell :P | 19:22 |
| thopiekar | Jake42-2: did you heard that? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: did you ever succeed in a Mer install btw? i can't remember | 19:23 |
| thopiekar | no but me and Jake42-2 are working on php5 + php5-mysql since yesterday.. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok :P | 19:24 |
| thopiekar | to get it working on a maemo-device.. | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, how do I get advanced-power applet to show up, if you had to enable it manually? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it really should be in add applet | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | if you had to add it manually, .osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Statusbar applets are enabled through control panel though on maemo | 19:25 |
| thopiekar | but i'm at the end of my Latin.. (german saying) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah. that might explain it | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | statusbar.conf it is then | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | the control panel applet isn't OSS :) | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | I've got [/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-power.desktop] but it still isn't showing (this is after a restart) | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it is | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | .. where? | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | I've seen the source for it somewhere, i'll find it | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-plugins-settings/ | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | well i'm obviously blind :) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | It's weirdly named - what plugins :) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Well, hildon plugins... | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'll add it to the list | 19:29 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: please explain me how to install mer.. (I know you love that question ;) ) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: ask me in 2 hours | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | uch?^^ | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: then i have a more friendly tar.gz :P | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | oki | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: whats the size of all packages.. | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | ? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: you need a 2gb SD card probably | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | one you're willing to delete everything on :P | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | straind, getting http://pastebin.com/d6c9f51d2 when running python2.5 on the advanced-power.py file manually | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps sorry | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: export DISPLAY=:0? :P | 19:31 |
| * qwerty12 smacks himself, I thought it was automatically done :) | 19:31 | |
| Stskeeps | maemo spoils you | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | yes :P | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, no errors now but that doesn't explain why I'm not seeing the applet | 19:32 |
| * thopiekar thinks about a mirror for mer | 19:32 | |
| Stskeeps | well applet is booted by h-d | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | isnt it? | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | it should be, entry is there in statusbar.conf and I've rebooted. maybe bindings are messing up | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: check .xsession-errors | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | one of the things that -does- slow mer down atm, is the fact we log things ;) | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | No advanced-power or python references there | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly i've only added home applets in python | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a look later, leave an item in the tasks list and i'll get on it | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I know what it is. /home/faheem/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf was updated when installing advanced-power but not /root/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | .. not sure that qualifies | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | the .osso in your user is what should matter :P | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno if it's reading it though, I've added it to /root's one, lets see if it shows up now :) | 19:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Still no dice | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sucks :/ | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, now it means I can work on apmd :) | 19:43 |
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| * Stskeeps does a little prayer HAL stopped segfaulting and boots mer. | 19:44 | |
| qwerty12 | apmd is running, just had to remove mce references | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ah-ha, now we're getting somewhere: http://pastebin.com/d73799a02 | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the MCE stuff too? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I've removed the references to it in the daemon, now the daemon starts fine | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | It's because I did that that it isn't starting. I'll de-mce both AP and the daemon and reupload soon | 19:50 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: do you think the wlan0 issue might be related to /etc/network/interfaces? | 19:51 |
| b-man | because hal is now functional | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yay! http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/bound4dareload.png | 19:53 |
| b-man | qwerty12: cool | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | thanks :) | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | lets see if it starts when I reboot now | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: no, 100% HAL speciifc | 19:54 |
| b-man | hmm | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you try the package i told you? | 19:54 |
| b-man | yes | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: looks good | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: and hal worked then? k | 19:55 |
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| b-man | yes, i believe | 19:55 |
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| * b-man has confemed that from testing hw keys - witch did not work before | 19:56 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/ads.png | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: \o/ | 19:57 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll add the patches to quilt so they can be removed easily once you've got a mce clone running :) | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 19:57 |
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| b-man | ooooo, got a pm on ITT :) | 20:01 |
| b-man | someone is complaining about my signiture | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | it is rather long, but then again.. :P | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | b-man, send him/her: http://pastebin.com/d1258943e :P | 20:03 |
| b-man | the sender is daperl | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | ok, don't, I quite like his posts :P | 20:04 |
| b-man | hehe | 20:04 |
| b-man | qwerty12; awsome | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Done quickly with figlet: http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html :) | 20:05 |
| * b-man saves a copy for future reference | 20:05 | |
| b-man | sweet | 20:06 |
| b-man | qwerty12: here's the pm he sent me :) - http://pastebin.com/m8926b43 | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe, at least he put it nicely :P | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I'd feel guilty about sending fuck off then :) | 20:09 |
| b-man | lol | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, google b-man and you get a .dk host as first result :P | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | The lol bit is a bit excessive imho but the rest seems fine to me | 20:11 |
| b-man | hehe | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 20:11 |
| b-man | don't google b-man16 | 20:11 |
| b-man | ;) | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | stskeeps has a lot of crap on him :P | 20:12 |
| b-man | oh, you did :P | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | no, searched myself | 20:13 |
| b-man | lol | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm affiliated with a trojan or something :( | 20:14 |
| b-man | what? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i practically facilitated the trojan boom and the death of sub7 bot | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | If you google qwerty12, you get a lot of qwerty12.exe results :/ | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i'm getting off easy on that one in terms of karma | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, matrix feature in sub7 pwned | 20:15 |
| b-man | dont go to the second result of b-man16 | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: my ircd facilitated realname bans of sub7 in the example conf .. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | hence it got automatically banned on most new networks, less places for bot to hide | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, my easy to use IRCd and great win32 port caused the trojan boom. | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | by accident, really | 20:17 |
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| b-man | qwerty12: the lol in my signiture is what makes my profile unique | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | True, true :) | 20:21 |
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| * b-man likes being unique, that's why he sometimes uses FireFox as a user name ;) | 20:22 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power & advanced-power-monitor packages off repo? These ones should work from the offset. | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | (well, if the user has hald-addon-bme installed...) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i think your main project of ubuntu and mer installer is quite unique though :P | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: removed | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | ta | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | advanced-power-monitor is still there | 20:26 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: true ;) | 20:26 |
| * b-man multitasks a lot | 20:27 | |
| qwerty12 | now its not :) | 20:27 |
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| Narhir | Hello guys... | 20:39 |
| Narhir | sorry.. maybe it is somehow.. web design releated channel ? | 20:39 |
| RST38h | no. | 20:39 |
| Narhir | my bad... | 20:40 |
| Narhir | mayeb you know any good web design channels ? ~~ | 20:40 |
| RST38h | no. | 20:41 |
| RST38h | But if you have a short question, ask. | 20:41 |
| Narhir | ok sorry for disturbing :P | 20:41 |
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| radic_ | qwerty12_N800: wiche USB host controller drivers are you using? | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | radic_, i've never used usb host ever on my tablet.. | 21:12 |
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| thopiekar | qwerty12_N800: I don't believe it^^ | 21:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, hehe, haven't found a use personally for it :p | 21:18 |
| thopiekar | Has someone of you ever compiled libatomic-ops? | 21:19 |
| thopiekar | I tried to package it via dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | but i get this message.. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | patches: debian/patches/01_s390_include.patch debian/patches/02_mips.patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch debian/patches/06_double.patch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | Patch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch is not applied. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | Patch debian/patches/06_double.patch is not applied. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | Patch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch is not applied. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | Patch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch is not applied. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | Trying reverse patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure. | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | make: *** [reverse-patches] Error 1 | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | arg I should use pastbin | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12_N800: yes -.- stupid me | 21:21 |
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| thopiekar | ./configure is even possible when i'm in src.. and make fails on the folder above and in src | 21:22 |
| * thopiekar never runned ./configure in src before.. | 21:22 | |
| thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d29b06b9e | 21:24 |
| t_s_o | its kinda interesting how webkit makes the input box in the minimalist forum theme larger then microb does... | 21:24 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i was not aware there was a channel for it | 21:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | FireFox 3.1 beta 2 really surprised me | 21:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's as fast as midori i'd say | 21:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | but fingerscroll works :P | 21:27 |
| t_s_o | hmm | 21:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | it takes a lot of memory, but is really usable | 21:28 |
| t_s_o | i guess the browser speed these days hinges on its javascript engine | 21:29 |
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| Jaffa | Meiz_n810: is it /worth/ being in #mer? | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | t_s_o: the webkit engine makes all the nform controls finger friendlyy. I love the checkboxes in gmail basic | 21:37 |
| t_s_o | ah yes, i had forgotten about that | 21:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Jaffa: no idea.. | 21:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | there's some discussion in #mer | 21:39 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a nosey | 21:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Discussion about who you're going to spam next. :P | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power again (sorry)? quilt fucked up | 21:40 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: are you there? You told me to remember me how to install mer on my device.. | 21:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | WhHatÞ ŢHeÉ HeÉĹĻ HaÀPpPeÉÑÉÐ ÞÒ MyÝ ĶÉÝBoÒÀÐŔÅ | 21:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | phew | 21:45 |
| Toba | you held function down | 21:45 |
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| * RST38h yawns idly | 21:46 | |
| timeless | jaffa/gan: am i wrong in thinking that xx:yy is not an appropriate form for delta-time? | 21:49 |
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| t_s_o | oops | 21:50 |
| Jaffa | timeless: an argument I'm having at work involving days, months and year offset :-/ | 21:51 |
| timeless | heh | 21:51 |
| timeless | try this | 21:51 |
| timeless | open clock | 21:51 |
| timeless | app menu>alarm>alarms | 21:51 |
| timeless | set | 21:51 |
| timeless | click ok | 21:51 |
| timeless | watch the info banner | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: sorry, my image is not ready, HAL is crashing constnatly | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes, sec | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, btw, i'm building the source package via a mer chroot, working beautifully :P | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes, that's what i do myself | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | timeless: for display only I'd prefer it to say 1h 55min, or - if hours == 0, just 59min | 21:55 |
| timeless | right | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: on x86 that is | 21:55 |
| timeless | "please file a bug" | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah, I'm trying on tablet :) | 21:56 |
| timeless | jaffa: one other cool thing | 21:56 |
| timeless | if there are two buttons | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | will try to remember when I get home. just about to leave parents' | 21:56 |
| timeless | and one is a close button | 21:56 |
| timeless | will it be on the right or on the left? | 21:56 |
| timeless | (anyone else is welcome to play along, obviously this is a trap) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that the GNOME argument? :P | 21:56 |
| timeless | sts: realm: maemo | 21:57 |
| timeless | so, what's the answer? :) | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, but OK vs cancel.. :P | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | Certainly "cancel" is a defined position. I'd guess it varies on maemo in which app you look in? ;-) | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | Or which screen in the same app' | 21:57 |
| * timeless rotfl | 21:57 | |
| timeless | too true | 21:57 |
| timeless | there was one wizard which historically got that wrong | 21:58 |
| timeless | but i got that fixed | 21:58 |
| timeless | but wizards have 4 buttons | 21:58 |
| timeless | this is a 2 button dialog | 21:58 |
| timeless | so, no takers? :) | 22:00 |
| timeless | ok, set an alarm for +2mins | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | Through a decade of painstaking reverse engineering, trucker John Coster-Mullen built the first accurate replica of the Hiroshima bomb. | 22:17 |
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| RST38h | Am I the only one crying "DETONATE!" in my mind? =) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering why he told anyone | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:19 |
| aquatix | and `why'? | 22:19 |
| aquatix | RST38h: but indeed, `detonate, detonate!' | 22:19 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: please let me know when you are ready.. | 22:19 |
| aquatix | </dalekstyle> | 22:20 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: do you need some testers for the project? | 22:20 |
| timeless | msgstr "Unable to perform operation. Try again." | 22:20 |
| timeless | so... anyone have thoughts about this message? | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Probably wanted appreciation, just like the original Manhatten Project financiers | 22:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: "Philip Morrison, one of the physicists who helped invent the bomb, deemed it 'a remarkable job.'" | 22:21 |
| timeless | the message basically means one of two unrelated operations failed | 22:21 |
| timeless | (creating an alarm or settings its snooze value) | 22:21 |
| timeless | and that it failed because of OOM, dbus failure, or bad params | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: yes, but i'm trying to find a problem in HAL right now :) | 22:22 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: If you want I will join the team for testing matters ;) | 22:24 |
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| timeless | anyone have opinions? | 22:25 |
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| * timeless ponders | 22:27 | |
| timeless | what's a HILDON_NOTE? | 22:27 |
| timeless | is it a dialog w/ no title? | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonNote.html | 22:29 |
| timeless | yeah yeah | 22:29 |
| RST38h | ~curse ALSA | 22:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | infobot is offline = ALSA is safe :) | 22:31 |
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| * RST38h has to manually sodomized ALSA with a toilet plunger. | 22:32 | |
| RST38h | s/d// | 22:32 |
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| * thopiekar even don't understands these "s/d//" syntaxes on irc-channels... | 22:34 | |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: man sed | 22:35 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: Emacs user? | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | no | 22:36 |
| * thopiekar never understands the sense of emacs.. thats maybe why he was never a "user"... | 22:37 | |
| Meiz_n810 | hi my name is Heinz_n810 | 22:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | oops | 22:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/Heinz/Meiz/ | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm a meraholic | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:37 |
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| Meiz_n810 | :p | 22:38 |
| thopiekar | hehe | 22:38 |
| thopiekar | so "s" means replace? | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | i always tought to | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | so | 22:40 |
| * Meiz_n810 is installing FF 3.1 | 22:40 | |
| RST38h | Too late,Heinz! We know your true self now! | 22:41 |
| thopiekar | s/FF/Firefox | 22:42 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 22:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | hehe | 22:43 |
| thopiekar | what is emacs actually? (offtopic) | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | an editor or an OS, the discussion is still there | 22:44 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: An evil artificial intelligence designed by Richard Stallman to take over the world and make everyone worship GPL | 22:44 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: It disguises itself as a text editor | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d71503c99 | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | (21:42:00) RST38h: Too late,Heinz! We know your true self now! | 22:46 |
| thopiekar | ^-- *g* | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, did you delete advanced-power-monitor btw? | 22:51 |
| * timeless grumbles | 22:51 | |
| timeless | anyone here have diablo? | 22:52 |
| timeless | can someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff | 22:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | FUCK | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't have the monitor source package anymore nor time to debianize it again. | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks Meiz_n810, didn't catch the monitor part then | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The Mer builder really needs to fix its bullshit of not handling new orig.tar.gz files properly. | 22:57 |
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| opengeekv2 | hey there is someone? | 23:08 |
| opengeekv2 | i'm trying to install mer on n800 | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sorry :P when did you add it? i have backups from last night :P | 23:08 |
| thopiekar | is here a german-englisch translator? | 23:08 |
| opengeekv2 | right now | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, earlier today :> | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | my english isn't actually the best so.. | 23:09 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, but it shouldn't take me long to repatch the source if you've got a backup of the original package | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sec | 23:10 |
| opengeekv2 | but when i install de .deb file it says application package incompatible | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: put extras-devel repository on too | 23:10 |
| opengeekv2 | it is done | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/advanced-power-monitor/ and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/advanced-power/ | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: dpkg -i it manually | 23:10 |
| opengeekv2 | ok | 23:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | is bootmenu in extras-devel? | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the problem is that it's not in user/ | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | b-man would fix that | 23:11 |
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| Meiz_n810 | k | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: good enough | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and isn't there an option "don't include orig.tar.gz in upload"? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | (also, you are starting to realize why SCM is good.) | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yes, should be fine. | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, all i know is that maemo's autobuilder handles it beautifully fine, whatever option I use | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: mm | 23:14 |
| chaoyi | anyone here use emacs23 on n810? | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: -sd really ought to work, but weird | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I wish it did :(, but orig.gz was still referenced in my dsc :/ | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: dsc ofcourse, but changes? | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | never checked there, but i cant imagine the importor still complaining then | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bbl | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | we'll see :) | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn you, qwerty12. | 23:20 |
| kaie | Hello. How can I start the email app from the terminal? (latest n810 OS). Because it crashes immediately after I start from the mnu | 23:20 |
| kaie | menu | 23:20 |
| kaie | I've plenty of free memory | 23:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | modest? | 23:21 |
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| kaie | Meiz_n810, thanks for this hint, when I try to run modest, nothing happens, no output, modest command keeps being active. | 23:25 |
| kaie | when I ctrl-c it, and run ps xf|grep -i modest, nothing is listed | 23:26 |
| opengeekv2 | there are some dependencies that could not be resolved i'm doing a dpkg -i of the second package with extras-devel | 23:26 |
| Jake42-2 | how may I install scratchbox on ubuntu? | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: apt-get install e2fsprogs zenity gnutar | 23:26 |
| opengeekv2 | ok | 23:26 |
| opengeekv2 | thanks | 23:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | Jake42-2: tablets-dev.nokia.com i think | 23:26 |
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| Jake42-2 | SDK ? | 23:32 |
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| Firebird | Hello, Does maemo have any system-specific gcc macros to tell it apart from a compiler on a desktop system? | 23:40 |
| kaie | even after a restart, running "modest" simply stalls. which is a different behavior than running mail from the menu. I conclude I need a different command to start it, any ideas? | 23:46 |
| chaoyi | i guess you need to send a dbus event to modest? | 23:49 |
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| kaie | google helped me. "modest showui" | 23:51 |
| kaie | that gives me "segmentation fault" :-/ | 23:51 |
| kaie | but it's indeed the same behavior than running from menu. email window shows up for a second, then goes away | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, modest is a bit of a troubled child at times | 23:53 |
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| Stskeeps | wb b-man | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: found whatever kills HAL | 23:55 |
| b-man | hello, Stskeeps | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | compiling a version atm for mer | 23:55 |
| b-man | sweet | 23:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N800 | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi Stskeeps | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sorry about the broken repository software btw, best i have atm :P | 23:56 |
| b-man | hi qwerty12_N800 | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Providing hald-addon-bme is installed, apt-getting advanced-power should just work | 23:57 |
| * johnx wakes up, starts hacking | 23:57 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi b-man | 23:57 |
| * timeless pokes someone | 23:57 | |
| johnx | gang's all here :) | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, np, I was just annoyed & apologise for taking it out on your work :) | 23:57 |
| timeless | can someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff | 23:58 |
| timeless | (diablo) | 23:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi johnx | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i think we have !!Stuff in mer still | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | bloody annoying | 23:58 |
| timeless | sts: it's kinda amusing | 23:59 |
| timeless | i need to talk to someone tomorrow about it | 23:59 |
| timeless | i thought nokia paid for translations | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i feel like poking someone's eye out about 4001, personally | 23:59 |
| timeless | so the fact that diablo would have shipped w/ those... | 23:59 |
| timeless | !! is by definition not a translation | 23:59 |
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