IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-01-25

radicStskeeps: why?00:00
Stskeepsradic: i wouldn't put my money on a before 2020 release00:00
dobis there a repo with up-to-date installer sources?00:00 is recenter00:00
radicStskeeps: what do you think about a unrealIRCd port for the N800?00:01
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Stskeepsradic: easy as pie, but probably easiest on Mer :P00:01
Stskeepsi mean, it runs on HPUX..00:02
Stskeepsno idea how it reacts to cross compilation00:02
* b-man is mad, his tablet locked up and crashed and now he possibly has sever ext3 filesystem damage in ubuntu >:(00:02
Stskeepsb-man: [20:21]  * b-man overloads his N800 by simotaniusly insalling ubuntu-desktop in ubuntu in cdeb2, chating, browsing the web, using emelfm2, and by updating deb allong with using ssh00:03
radicStskeeps: I compiled it on Win32 and Linux withe SSL and zip-link support00:03
radicand modifyed some modules and the source...00:03
Stskeepsradic: yeah.. maybe it builds in scratchbox, no clue :P00:03
b-manStskeeps: i probibly was asking for it ;)00:03
Stskeepsb-man: yes. yes, you were.00:03
radicI'll try it if I have time and an runnung kernel...00:04
radicI need more nicotine00:05
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dobI'm guessing mer-simple-ext.item shouldn't have ITEM_DEVICE="${EXT_CARD}p3" in it...00:06
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Stskeepsit should00:06
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Stskeepsi'm not kidding, that's true, it has to look like that :) we cannot rely on mmcblk1 being external for instance00:06
* b-man is thankful to realise that his ubuntu install survived the nasty crash and resumes installing ubuntu-desktop00:06
radicStskeeps: I want to know why & and + channels aren't supportet by unreal3.200:08
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Stskeepsradic: + never was there, & i took out cos they added un-needed complexity. anyway - unrealircd is a chapter that's closed in my life and i'm trying my best to forget the details00:08
StskeepsMeiz_n810: latest snapshot ruins my NM too00:09
Stskeepsradic: #unreal-support on ircsystems prolly is okay for questions00:09
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Stskeepsand synaptics input driver needs to seriously die00:11
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radicStskeeps: where are you from?00:13
slonopotamus~seen fauxmight00:13
infobotfauxmight is currently on #maemo (1d 13h 13m 47s), last said: 'When I've got some free space on a sdcard I'll get it going.'.00:13
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slonopotamus~seen christendoc00:14
infobotchristendoc <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 33d 20h 29m 32s ago, saying: '`0660: :) It could work better, ... but it works.'.00:14
FireFoxradic: he's from Denmark00:14
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radicStskeeps: is your house made of lego bricks? ;)00:16
Stskeepsradic: no, concrete, but you would think so..00:17
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slonopotamusthat fauxmight's message is not found in irc log00:18
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: in between a split maybe00:18
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slonopotamusi almost built xorg :)00:21
Stskeepsslonopotamus: how long time so far? ;P00:21
radicStskeeps: I think you should do your next hilydays in germany and visit me00:22
Stskeepsradic: my next holidays is in berlin to visit my fiancée who's expatriated, :P00:22
slonopotamusdon't count. it build when i sleep00:22
radicStskeeps: you're speaking german?00:23
dumbowlHello. Good to find an active group.00:23
Stskeepsradic: last time i tried to speak german i almost ended up at a police station00:23
Stskeepsso, no, i don't00:23
slonopotamuswanna use paludis instead of emerge. it's too slow.00:23
woglindestskeep lol00:23
woglindestskeep when will you be here?00:23
radicStskeeps: cause you speaked german?00:23
Stskeepswoglinde: think a weekend sometime in early march00:23
Stskeepsradic: no, because i tried to explain to the taxi driver the hotel was supposed to have paid for the trip between the two hotels cos the hotel fucked up miserably..00:24
Stskeepsand i didn't have a single euro on me..00:24
Stskeepswhich now means i always have currency on me when i'm abroad :P00:24
radicStskeeps: next time let it write down on a paper withe a signature00:25
dobStskeeps: in which file does bootmenu go through the .item files during boot?00:25
Stskeepsdob: /etc/bootmenu.conf00:25
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Stskeepsradic: next time i don't get into that situation00:26
dobslonopotamus: it's there :) #maemo_090105.log:15:16:5900:26
radicStskeeps: If you are in germany, you can do a trip to Würzburg00:27
dobStskeeps: oh, right, thanks00:28
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Stskeepsradic: far down :P00:29
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radicmy N800 switched on auomaticly00:29
Stskeepsyeah, mine does that occasionally00:30
Stskeepsit spooks the hell out of me00:30
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radic<-- confused00:30
FireFoxStskeeps: it is possessed00:30
StskeepsFireFox: i wouldn't be surprised after all the curses i've shouted near it..00:31
jaskathe nokia security agency is using it to spy on you00:31
Stskeepsah, -that's- what NSA stands for00:31
Stskeepsand their insistence of people using their phones..00:31
FireFoxhehe, lol   XD00:32
dobso is there something wrong with my mer .item file? modules are mbcache, jbd, ext3 and fstype is ext300:32
RST38hStrange how nobody has menitioned mind control via GSM towers...00:32
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Stskeepsdob: it shows the "Booting Mer"?00:32
StskeepsRST38h: oh no, now you've started it00:32
dobStskeeps: it hangs at "pivoting root and starting /sbin/init" for ~15 secs before rebooting00:34
Stskeepsdob: sec00:34
Stskeepsdoes it say setting time from retu..?00:35
dobStskeeps: yes00:35
Stskeepscheck you have gnutar on your maemo (tar --version)00:36
Stskeepsand that /sbin/init exists :P00:36
* FireFox wonders if you could apply a hack to give our tablets ext4 support..00:36
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AStormjust build the newer kernel00:37
AStormthe trick is if the new wifi driver will work with current tools00:37
radicStskeeps: for what ist the observability.ko?00:37
Stskeepsradic: no clue00:37
radicStskeeps: It lets my N800 crashe00:37
Stskeepslooks like a mach-omap2 thing00:37
AStormit's funny debug stuff00:38
AStormyou don't need it actually00:38
radicAStorm: the observbility.ko?00:38
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radicahh, ok00:39
radicnow I dosn't compile it...00:39
radicAStorm: what do I need for USB-mouse-support?00:40
AStormusb input is there I think00:40
AStormyou need xorg driver00:40
AStormand non-transparent cursor00:41
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AStormxorg-input-evdev should work00:41
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radicok, I'll try it00:42
radicbut first I need a configuration that I can use the N800 again00:42
radicAStorm: can I include the source for rt73usb support into the maemo-kernel?00:45
AStormif it works on arm, then yes00:45
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AStormotherwise, no :)00:46
AStormnot all of the drivers work on ARM... I think this one does00:46
AStormyou'll need a power source for n8x0 built-in hub00:46
radicrt73usb has full aircrack-ng support :)00:46
AStormsee, n8x0 provides low-power USB - 100 mA max current afaicr00:47
AStormtoo little for wifi, definitely00:47
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radicmy hub needs 5V00:48
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radicis it a problem if I connect it to a 6V akku?00:49
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dobStskeeps: gnu tar is on maemo and /sbin/init exists00:49
Stskeepsdob: hmmm.00:49
Stskeepsdob: tablet type?00:50
Stskeepsand FS type00:50
Stskeepsand i'd like to see the item to00:50
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dobStskeeps: N800, ext3,
Stskeepslooks correct00:55
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Stskeepsis that the item in /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d too?00:55
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Stskeepsdob: but i'm honestly wondering what goes wrong here :)00:57
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Stskeepsif mer rescue menu doesn't come up, something went awry way earlier00:57
b-man(random information) - ubuntu-desktop successfully installed..... finally00:57
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dobStskeeps: yes, it's there too01:02
Stskeepsdob: what kernel are you on?01:02
Stskeeps(and maemo version)01:02
* Stskeeps glares at his snapshot01:04
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StskeepsHAL seems to have bent over quite badly01:04
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dobStskeeps: 2.6.21-omap1 and 5.2008.43-701:05
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Stskeepsdob: mkfs.ext3 the fs again, wget, tar pzxvf it on the partition, chroot . passwd root01:07
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VDVsxdob, you can also try to install Mer by the easy way :)01:12
StskeepsVDVsx: i think he did01:12
dobVDVsx: I've tried, didn't work :)01:12
VDVsxdob, do you run refresh_bootmenu.d , after the merInstaller finish the installation ?01:14
StskeepsVDVsx: checked that01:15
Stskeepshe gets into linuxrc just fine01:15
Stskeepsbut dies at init01:15
dobwhat modules does ext3 depend on or does it matter if I just mount as ext2?01:15
Stskeepsdob: mbcache jbd ext301:15
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Stskeepsoh this so better not be a bug like im thinking..01:20
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dobbtw, why is the mer image .tar.gz left there after installation?01:20
Stskeeps(my problem with HAL)01:20
Stskeepsdob: i guess it comes in handy when rm -rfing everything but the tar.gz01:20
Stskeepsto get a new snapshot01:21
Stskeepsbesides that, no, it probably shouldn't stay there01:21
* b-man takes note ;)01:21
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FireFox16xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics    hmmm :(01:26
StskeepsFireFox16: just remove that one too01:26
Stskeepsit's safe01:26
* Jaffa beds01:26
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Stskeepsi really don't hope this bug with HAL not starting is what i think it is: lack of a root password makes it not want to start01:27
dobStskeeps: you know, take nourishment01:27
Stskeepsdob: ah01:27
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* FireFox16 finally gets around to booting ubuntu - hopes no serious problems come up01:36
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FireFox16hmm, it looks like gdm failed to sstart because network manager could not find wlan001:46
StskeepsFireFox16: did you set a root password per chance?01:47
* Stskeeps is exploring a weirdass bug.01:47
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Stskeepsand i really don't hope it's that :)01:49
woglindegood nite01:50
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AStormhey, is the omapfb driver in mainline Xorg?01:54
Stskeepsdon't think so just yet01:54
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Stskeepzoh ffs01:59
Stskeepzif your root password isn't set, HAL freaks out completely.01:59
r2d2rogersthat's funky02:00
Stskeepzqwerty12_N800: that's why your jffs image failed to have wifi02:00
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Stskeepsok, so that wasn't it.02:08
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Talus46_n810any news about next n900 ?02:10
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Stskeepsgreat. HAL crashes.02:17
FireFox16do you think my gdm problem could be caused by that?02:19
dobStskeeps: so, what's the point of chroot . passwd root?02:20
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Stskeepsdob: setting a root password, always good to have when sshing in :P02:21
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dobStskeeps: and what do I do after setting the password? :)02:30
Stskeepsdob: reboot02:30
Stskeepser, preferably umount first02:30
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dobStskeeps: identical symptoms02:40
Stskeepsdob: i'm absolutely baffled.02:40
Stskeepsdob: do you let it wait for a bit or does it just reboot?02:40
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dobStskeeps: it just reboots itself after ~20 secs02:43
Stskeepsdob: only thing i can advise is reflashing initfs with a normal one, then installing deblet bootmenu.d again from rootfs02:44
Stskeeps(it will re-make the bootmenu icons)02:44
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Stskeepser, items02:44
r2d2rogers Stskeeps I'm confused on why I need to reboot a couple of times before I get to X today...02:45
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i think HAL is hosed02:45
r2d2rogersso I should avoid apt-get upgrade for right now?02:45
Stskeepswhat hal version do you have?02:45
r2d2rogersor right now?02:46
r2d2rogers20090124 18:44:38 [ Stskeeps] what hal version do you have?02:46
r2d2rogersHAL package version: 0.5.1202:46
timelessimagine you're "somewhere"02:47
timelessand you try to find "things"02:47
timelessand you get a window02:47
timelesswhat kind of title would you want for this title?02:48
timelesserr window02:48
StskeepsSearch results for 'a'? :P02:48
timelessyou're greedy02:48
r2d2rogersti depends what I knew...02:48
timelessyou can't know what you searched for because the app is stupid :)02:48
timelessit comes w/ diablo02:48
r2d2rogersI might be happy with today's schedule ;002:49
timelesscurrently it says "Search"02:49
r2d2rogersheh I went too metaphysical.02:49
r2d2rogersjust watched Wall-E02:49
timelessi'm tempted to make it say "results"02:49
Stskeepsis what i'm seeing in HAL02:50
Stskeepscan you see if your hald is running when it crashes?02:50
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r2d2rogersStskeeps:  rebooting to see if I get fail02:51
FireFox16i think i found the gdm problem; xserver-xorg fails to start.... and it displays a blue screen XD02:51
StskeepsFireFox16: hehe. does your 'hald' start?02:51
Stskeepsstart, but is it still there? :P02:52
Stskeepsmine says it starts but it dies right away :)02:52
r2d2rogersfigures... it's working now...02:52
* FireFox16 wonders why xserver-xorg fails to start02:52
Stskeepsanyone here with a typical hackable phone? (PXA270)02:53
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: it acts randomly for me02:53
r2d2rogerscold boot this time02:53
r2d2rogersI have a RAZR v3xx02:53
FireFox16Stskeeps: any idias to the xorg problem? :)02:53
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: quite closed though?02:54
StskeepsFireFox16: yes, HAL dying02:54
StskeepsFireFox16: grab your Xorg.0.log and put it somewhere02:54
r2d2rogersbooting fine now02:54
r2d2rogerstry the updated packages?02:55
Stskeepsyeah, go ahead02:56
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r2d2rogersplanning on retrying the wireless modules from maemo next02:57
Stskeepsthey might have to be patched to allow for iwconfig and such02:57
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FireFox16Stskeeps; - i packaged up a tar.gz of my system logs03:00
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* Stskeeps tests out new HIM03:04
FireFox16Stskeeps: did you look at those logs? :)03:05
Stskeepsmy, that's a lot of porn you've been downloading.03:06
StskeepsFireFox16: your xorg.conf is messed up03:06
StskeepsParse error on line 50 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Unexpected EOF. Missing EndSection keyword?03:06
dobStskeeps: by installing bootmenu.d you mean just install_bootmenu?03:07
Stskeepsthat's what your xorg tells me :P03:07
Stskeepsdob: yeah, or utilities->install bootmenu03:07
Stskeepsit will copy in the items too03:07
FireFox16i'll pastebin the xorg.conf file03:07
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Stskeepsin /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?03:10
Stskeepsyou're right, that looks OK03:11
Stskeepscorrupted FS?03:11
lcukgnite ppl \o03:11
FireFox16oh, no 0_o03:11
Stskeepsor a missing newline after line 5103:11
Stskeeps(i can see i have one in mine)03:12
FireFox16oh, that might be it03:12
* FireFox16 adds newline and boots into ubuntu03:12
dobStskeeps: no improvement03:12
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Stskeepsdob: and this is on a fresh initfs?03:14
dobStskeeps: yes03:14
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Stskeepsdob: can you pastebin me your /etc/bootmenu.conf from maemo?03:15
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Stskeepsright, i'm out of ideas. only way we can diagnose this is through a framebuffer console and i'm too tired to set this up atm :P03:18
Stskeepstry this..03:19
Stskeepsafter exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init 2 <dev/console >dev/console 2>&103:19
Stskeepsadd text2screen -s 2 -H center -y 100 -T 0 -t "pivot root and starting /sbin/init.."03:19
Stskeepschange text to "failed to boot"03:19
Stskeepsin linuxrc03:19
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timelessanyone here use the feed reader?03:25
* timeless has a question about it03:25
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dobStskeeps: the added text didn't appear03:30
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Stskeepsdob: change bootmenu item to rw and do > root/log instead of > dev/console03:33
Stskeepsinstead of ro03:33
Pavlznokia refuses to give support to theora03:34
Pavlzwe can do ourself03:34
fauxmightping slonopotamus03:36
Stskeepsand you don't have any special kernels or something like that?03:36
fauxmight~seen slonopotomaus03:36
infobotfauxmight: i haven't seen 'slonopotomaus'03:36
Stskeepsfauxmight: i'm really impressed with how you two can manage to miss eachother :P03:36
fauxmightYeah, apologies for the crosstraffic.03:36
Stskeepshehe, wasn't referring to that :)03:37
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dobStskeeps: not that I know of :)03:39
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fauxmightStskeeps: 11 hr diff timezones might have something to do with it :)03:40
Stskeepsfauxmight: yea03:40
* Stskeeps doesn't understand why HAL crashes03:41
dobStskeeps: btw, what does init do with the dev/console input?03:45
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Stskeepsdob: probably if there's like fsck input or whatever needed03:46
dobStskeeps: wtf, I see the progress bar :O03:47
doband it's beautiful!03:47
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Stskeepsdob: ...03:47
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Stskeepsdob: this shouldn't have happened obviously03:48
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robinkThe N810W is no more :(03:51
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Stskeepsso it goes03:51
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robinkI still wanted one03:51
smackpotatoi wonder if they will sell for a premium03:51
robinkI dunno03:51
robinkI'm going to see if I can find one03:52
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FireFox16HUGE success with ubuntu - even the keyboard fully works!!03:52
robinkClearw're will have a fully WiMAX-compliant network in kitsap county by the end of this year.03:52
* FireFox16 trys installing xchat in ubuntu :)03:53
timelessping ping03:53
robinktimeless: pong03:53
timelessanyone here use rss feed reader?03:53
* timeless is looking for information about a certain dialog03:54
StskeepsFireFox16: what was it?03:54
FireFox16a missing newline :p03:54
FireFox16but i'm still getting lony errors about wlan003:55
Stskeepstold you03:55
smackpotatoso my 770 is happy in its new life as a remote thermometer sending temperatures to twitter03:55
Stskeepssmackpotato: in a potato field? :P03:56
smackpotatosure lol so my pipes dont freeze03:56
timelesssmackpotato: do you have it handy?03:56
smackpotatomy 77003:56
timelesscan you try something for me?03:56
timelessopen the feed reader03:56
timelessin the menu, there should be a refresh item03:57
smackpotatothe icon yes03:58
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timelessit's something like app menu>tools>refresh03:59
smackpotatoyes two arrows pointing at each other03:59
timelessignore the toolbar, i think03:59
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smackpotatoit in tools yes04:00
timelesswhat happens if you select it?04:00
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smackpotatoit says refresh feeds pressing gives the option all feeds or select feeds04:01
timelessso the dialog did exist04:01
timelessdo you have an n800/n810?04:01
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AtomicSparkIs there a maemo suggestion box? :P04:01
smackpotatoyes im on the 81004:01
StskeepsAtomicSpark: :P04:01
timelessdo you get that dialog on the n810?04:02
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timelesshrm, ok, i do... gah04:02
* timeless eyes the dialog04:03
* timeless considers poking both eyes out04:03
smackpotatono but im not subscribed to any feeds might make a diferance04:03
AtomicSparkI'll have to look to see if it's been requested, but I'd like to see a "lock applets" option under the home menu. This would prevent applets being moved and thus prevent me accedently moving them when I wake my screen up.04:03
timelessit's ok04:04
StskeepsAtomicSpark: it'll come in fremantle04:04
timelessi hit the dialog i was afraid of04:04
timelessnow i have to figure out what to do about it04:04
StskeepsAtomicSpark: trust me, i'd love that thing too :P04:04
AtomicSparkAlso, for pidgin to not blank my screen when using its... taskbar icon to show/hide it. :\04:05
* AtomicSpark had to disable show taskbar icon always04:05
Stskeepspidgin's 3rd party so complain to the person making the port :)04:05
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GAN800Opening stuff from the notification area really needs to be faster in Fremantle.04:07
GAN800It's obscenely slow and unreliable as-is.04:07
AtomicSparkI've only had my n810 for 3 days now. :)04:08
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robinkWoah, you can run Freemantle?04:11
smackpotatoatomic on the left side of the n810 the top button is what you hit when pidgen acts up04:11
AtomicSparksmackpotato: the "home dropdown menu"?04:12
AtomicSparkAlso. I like this Mer thing. Is this the new UI for the next major release?04:12
smackpotatono on the top04:13
smackpotatoabouve the escape button04:13
StskeepsAtomicSpark: no, it's a community project done by insane individuals in the community. Fremantle is Nokia's next Maemo 504:13
StskeepsAtomicSpark: Mer is what will bring you Fremantle components to N8x0 :P04:13
infobotmer is probably
AtomicSparkSo Freemantle will be for n900?04:15
robinkThe N900 will happen?04:16
Stskeepsrx-51 :P04:16
AtomicSparkOf course.04:16
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GAN800robink, s/Freemantle/Fremantle/g :)04:16
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AtomicSparkSeems like Mer is a fork or a derivative of maemo04:18
Stskeepsit's more maemo than ubuntu, and more ubuntu than maemo04:19
Stskeepstries to mix the two world04:19
AtomicSparkUbuntu has a cute little tablet edition now.04:20
Stskeepsyeah, which requires a nuclear power plant04:21
Stskeepsif you're referring to the netbook edition04:21
AtomicSparkThe MID edition.04:21
Stskeepsthose don't get as good power savings as these tablets, so :)04:22
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dobStskeeps: I added sync to the fsoptions and I get this in root/log: /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command `/sbin/init': Permission denied04:31
Stskeepsdob: hmm.04:32
Stskeepsdob: ls -l sbin/init? :P04:33
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Stskeepsdob: my next theory is possible SD card damage04:35
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dob:P -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       124964 Nov 15 01:44 sbin/init04:39
Stskeepsdob: too sleepy now :P i gtg to bed04:41
AtomicSparkmaemo downloads needs to add a 2008.1 section. many apps wont download now with the diablo version. L04:41
dobStskeeps: ditto ->04:42
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* timeless sighs05:00
timelessthe browser cache offers 1/2 mb, 1m, 2m, 4m05:00
timelessfeeed reader cache offers 1m, 2m, 4m, 8m05:01
timelesscan someone please explain why the feed reader's cache is bigger than the browser's?05:01
timeless(is/can be)05:01
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timelessanyone here alive?07:46
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robinktimeless: I'm alive08:09
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* Jaffa too (now)08:29
JaffaMorning, all08:29
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braddhi. does anyone know how I can (portably) tell if libXsp is avail on my build system? (pkg-config or somesuch?)08:40
JaffaHow portably?08:41
braddmy mistake.. I tried pkg-config Xsp --libs rather than pkg-config xsp --libs08:41
braddbasically on any x11-based system08:42
JaffaHa. Mike Cane's now moved on to being a Palm Pre evangelist08:51
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RST38hWho is Mike Cane?09:03
JaffaA very vocal, and prominent blogger/troll who gets *really* excited and evangelical about a product, before becoming disillusioned and then starts trashing it.09:04
JaffaBefore moving on to the Next Big Thing09:04
JaffaHis posts on ITT probably make fascinating reading09:05
qwerty12What happened to Darius BTW?09:06
RST38hJaffa: KILL!09:08
RST38hqwerty: Currently undergoing his annual treatment in Warsaw bedlam.09:08
* RST38h can understand why people evanelize about unreleased products so maniacally though: the best product is the one in your mind09:13
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JaffaGrr, auto-builder seems to be broken10:16
qwerty12Yep, been like that since yesterday :(. Chinook builder is still working though10:16
* Jaffa pokes maemo-developers and X-Fade10:16
JaffaTime for breakfast (since I've just tidied up w,/Uploading_to_Extras10:18
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RST38h <-- ah, here it is10:39
qwerty12Looks chunky as shit :/10:40
RST38hqwerty: You won't believe how clunky it is in the real life10:40
RST38hIt is basically a metal brick.10:41
RST38hBut cool looking, in some perverse sense, can't take that away from it10:41
RST38h <-- also seen this one, less clunky, but feels cheesy10:41
qwerty12That one reminds me of P1i a bit :/10:42
RST38hGrossly gluttonous P1i =)10:43
RST38h <-- and this one was on sale as well10:43
qwerty12Looks boring but "alright" in a sense to me10:44
RST38hwell, fujitsu...10:44
qwerty12But the screen is way to small, you can just about make out the vista logon10:44
RST38hBTW, WiBrain is much smaller than pictures make you believe10:44
RST38hIt is narrower (but longer) than N810 basically. With tiny keys and a little tiny touchpad the size of a thumb10:45
qwerty12,+the+Samsung+WiMAX+and+CDMA+EV-DO+PDA-PC.html <- This is my favourite :P10:45
qwerty12I wonder if it could beat the N-Gage's record for making you look stupid when you talk on it...10:52
braddhow do you guys generally transfer files to your nokia? I am trying to ssh in then scp'ing files over but the wifi keeps turning off10:52
RST38hqwerty: only if it has the mike at the edge =)10:52
qwerty12Hehe, I'm glad to say that I never used my N-Gage for calling :P10:53
RST38hbradd: try a few more times and it will go back up10:53
* Jaffa thinks about pulling in additional RSS feeds into - e.g. p.m.o posts containing mer10:55
qwerty12~lart darkplaces engine11:00
* infobot pries darkplaces engine's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to darkplaces engine11:00
* timeless sighs11:05
* timeless hates rss feed reader11:05
timelessso, the rss feed reader is  "clever"11:05
timelessand has an error case for when you try to subscribe to two things at approximately the same "time"11:06
* timeless kicks planet maemo11:08
timelessit makes it impossible for one to subscribe to people's blogs11:09
JaffaEven if the URL is wildly different? How is that useful?11:09
timelessno, not that11:10
timeless1. load a page in the browser which has an rss icon11:10
timeless2. click the rss icon11:10
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timeless3. switch back to the browser11:10
timeless4. load another page in the browser which has an rss icon11:10
timeless5. click the rss icon11:10
RST38hDon't use the rss reader.11:10
timeless6. click ok a couple of times in the feed reader11:11
RST38hAnd it won't cause problems.11:11
timelessat least, i *think* that'll give the right stupid error message11:11
timelessit's hard to know, i don't have a testcase for each error string11:11
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* timeless grumbles11:16
timelessthe comments can't even spell the names of the strings correctly11:16
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* timeless consdiers11:26
timelesswould people be offended by a dialog which said11:26
timeless"This dialog is here in case your finger slipped. Click OK to confirm"11:26
* timeless sighs11:31
timelessdoes the rss reader really own text/xml on the device?11:31
timelessright so... you really can get those errors approximately as i described11:32
timelessoh gosh11:33
timelessthat's clever11:33
timelessthe change folder button jumps from slot 2 to slot 311:34
* timeless sighs11:34
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timelessand i'm not done cursing the rss feed reader11:34
qwerty12hi lcuk11:34
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timelessanyone here have diablo and screenshot-tool?11:35
* timeless needs some pictures11:35
lcuk810qwerty you might know, has thomas the tank engine moved from cbeebies?11:36
lcuk810sorry timeless dont have either11:36
qwerty12lcuk810, yeah, yeah... :P11:37
lcuk810lol, im serious ive got an upset son, im sure thomas used to be on it11:37
lcuk810and im not just giving him free reign on google11:38
qwerty12lol, I've never watched it :P11:38
timelessyou my friend have a problem11:38
timelessmight i suggest ordering it from your local pbs affiliate?11:38
lcuk810uh huh11:38
lcuk810timeless, uk  tv it was shown on bbc for years11:39
qwerty12lcuk810, I've checked the weekly schedule for cbeebies (without my brother catching me) and I haven't found one mention of thomas the tank engine11:40
lcuk810me neither, they have removed thomas from history11:40
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aquatixtimeless: i use the system load applet for screenshots11:41
lcuk810underground ernie is the new hot,11:41
RST38hhe must have done something!11:41
qwerty12Make up a story about how it's changed into "Finley the Fire Engine" :P11:41
lcuk810he tips his head to the side and says dont be stupid11:41
RST38hqwerty: Try "Thomas and Friends" instead11:41
aquatixlcuk810: you, dear sir, have an awesome son11:42
qwerty12You can actually get the episodes on torrents >.<. Almost as fun as downloading the ikea catalogue for 2009 via torrent :P11:43
* aquatix thinks he should gather some more experience before starting on kids himself11:43
aquatixqwerty12: lol11:43
lcuk810timeless, coool11:43
aquatixqwerty12: we got that catalogue in the mail already :P11:43
qwerty12aquatix, hehe :P11:44
qwerty12Anything new and exciting? :D11:44
lcuk810we have ikea about 3 miles away11:44
aquatixdunno, don't read it ;)11:44
Stskeepsqwerty12: weird q, when you did your mer install, and wifi didnt work, was your root passwd set?11:44
aquatixbut the girlfriend suddenly has new ideas now and then11:44
qwerty12Stskeeps, nope, I just untarred the tar.gz to the partition. Didn't use the installer11:45
qwerty12lcuk810, hah, my "nearest" one is in Thurrock >.<11:45
lcuk810aquatiz, give your girlfriend one rule for ikea, if she can carry it she can have it11:45
lcuk810you will watch your gf turn inot a packhorse11:45
aquatixwell, she will get a trolley anyway i guess :/11:46
lcuk810i was amazed at how much she carried11:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: k, might be why - atm HAL just crashes randomly, heh11:46
lcuk810lol aquatix, trolleys are for big hardware shopping, the danger with a trolley andjust browsing is the little stuff11:47
qwerty12Stskeeps, so I should reinstall mer and chroot into it and do "passwd root"?11:47
lcuk810"i just need a few bits"11:47
aquatixlcuk810: uh-huh :)11:47
Stskeepsqwerty12: ppossibly11:48
Stskeepsi cant promise it works11:48
lcuk810mornin sts11:48
timelessso... no takers on my feed reader?11:49
lcuk810i dont have that one on11:49
aquatixtimeless: it did something clever by ignoring you?11:49
timelessoh, i just need some pictures11:50
timelessthe add dialog has:11:50
timeless[ok][change folder][browse][cancel]11:50
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timelessthe info has"11:50
aquatix(get the system load applet with the screenshot stuff build-in)11:50
timeless[ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][cancel]11:50
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timelessnote how both have change folder?11:50
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timelessbut not in the same position11:51
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timelessaquatix: i'm not running official releases11:51
Stskeepsqwerty12: if wifi still doesnt, check if hald is in process list11:51
timelessso i'm not going to use my device for pictures11:51
aquatixtimeless: ah, check11:51
qwerty12Stskeeps, k11:51
aquatixtimeless: hmmm, looks like the total set is "[ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][browse][cancel]"11:52
aquatix`pick any 4' :)11:52
timelessaquatix: you're thinking about it um...11:52
timelessstop thinking about it :)11:52
aquatixtimeless: but that's a bit non-consistent11:52
timelessthe code treats each dialog individually11:53
timelessand based on the fact they're reversed, i'm fairly confident that the ui designer didn't think abotu it11:53
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timeless3 cheers for the ui designer11:53
aquatixi would put the [change folder] one next to the [ok] in both i guess11:54
timelessanyway. "please file a bug"11:54
aquatixto make it consistent11:54
aquatixheh, yeah :/11:54
timelessi'd actually put it in slot 311:54
lcukx41i would slap the person who used a dialog box with too many buttons anyway11:54
timelesssince import (which is a better name for browse) is closer to add11:54
timelessbut all i ask for is consistency11:55
radic_qwerty12: you're there?11:55
qwerty12radic_, yes11:55
radic_qwerty12: I need the URL to depmod again11:56
radic_qwerty12: and a howto how I build a initfs-image11:56
lcukx41timeless, consistency also makes it easier for translation11:56
timelesslcukx41: non lame strings help there too11:56
lcukx41yeah your rant a couple of days ago is good, for most of the time we dont hear too much of a push towards it11:57
radic_thx qwerty1211:57
timelesssuppose the rss feed reader is  "busy"11:57
timelessand you try to use the add feed dialog11:58
timelessyou push a grayed out button11:58
timelessif you got an info note that said:11:58
radic_*put a cup of coffee in front of qwerty12*11:58
timeless"Please wait until the ongoing subscription completes"11:58
timelesswould you understand it?11:58
qwerty12radic_, hehe, I don't drink tea nor coffee :P11:58
lcukx41radic, offer him ribena11:58
lcukx41with a straw11:58
Stskeepsqwerty12: it starts with caffienated soft drinks..11:59
radic_qwerty12: you can call it tea ;)11:59
qwerty12Stskeeps, oh, of course I drink them :P11:59
qwerty12radic_, will do ;P11:59
radic_It's cold in here12:00
timelessi'm writing en-US atm12:00
* qwerty12 feels sorry for anyone who writes in false English12:01
* timeless feels sorry for anyone forced to read Nokia English12:01
radic_Nokia English? what'S that?12:02
timelessit's what you get w/ every nokia product12:02
radic_de_DE ftw!12:02
radic_also einigen wir uns auf deutsch...12:03
timelessi think formally en-FI-nok-engineering12:03
timelessor something12:03
* timeless can't remember the proper way to tag such things12:03
aquatix <- is this on Mer?12:03
timelesspresumably Diablo-SDK12:04
timelessif you had 10 feeds12:06
lcukx41damn have to get out of bed12:06
timelessand 1 feed didn't update12:06
timeless"Couldn't update all feeds" be an ok message?12:07
timeless"Not all feeds could be updated"12:07
timeless(pick one)12:07
lcukx41"could not update 1 or more feeds"12:07
timelessthat's too close to the nokia text for my taste12:08
RST38h"Use Google Reader instead"12:08
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* lcukx41 must be part finish12:08
aquatixRST38h: i use both actually12:08
RST38h"Click OK to start Google Reader in your web browser"12:08
timelessrst38h: sadly, i have no code control12:08
RST38haquatix: I honestly tried using built in Maemo reader but could not12:09
aquatixRST38h: i only use it for 3 or 4 feeds12:09
aquatixjust daily news12:09
aquatixgoogle reader for everything else12:09
RST38haquatix: Gooreader's iPhone UI works like a charm12:09
lcukx41i just open hundreds of tabs, i dont like feed readers because they lose the page style of the site i want12:09
aquatixRST38h: except that i don't have an iphone, not will i have one in the distant future :)12:09
aquatixlcukx41: ick12:10
RST38haquatix: You did not understand :)12:10
aquatixRST38h: ah, now i do :)12:10
RST38haquatix; iPhone Gooreader works perfectly well in MicroB ;)12:10
aquatixthere is one?12:10
aquatixthat's new for me12:10
aquatixi only know the normal mobile one12:10
RST38ha moment12:10
aquatix ?12:11
aquatixthat's damn neat12:11
lcukx41aquatix, i wonder if theres a way to keep the original format of the site whilst in the feedreader12:11
lcukx41and what about ancient sites which dont have decent feeds12:12
aquatixlcukx41: those i visit or ignore :)12:13
mavhcbloglines mentioned something about keeping the style, I'd rather they all look the same12:13
* RST38h would really like to have the Gooreader iPhone UI *minus* the MicroB12:13
lcukx41should be able to open the page, highlight a template to grab and include it anyway12:13
RST38hBut it probably isn't gonna happen any time soon12:13
aquatixbut there aren't much that don't have a feed or have a third party scraping them12:13
aquatixlcukx41: google reader can do that btw12:13
aquatixloads the post inside the reader12:13
lcukx41not that i care i just open browser and wander round12:13
lcukx41prefer original sites mainly, but would accept floating articles cut from within12:14
mavhcthere's 101 websites that make rss feeds out of websites for you, or email12:14
RST38hlcuk: Most sites are too heave for the tablet though12:14
infobotRST38h meant: lcuk: Most sites are too heavy for the tablet though12:14
mavhcwow, that's annoying12:14
mavhcincluding ITT12:15
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RST38hITT has got a mobile UI12:15
RST38hMinimal, but there isn't much to want from ITT12:15
lcukx41RST38h: agreed in part, but the tablet *can* handle them, just not in a reasonable time - and thats not anything against the browser, its a problem of the site designers going ott12:15
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lcukx41itt should use a light style by default, not just having a logged in mobile ui12:16
aquatixRST38h: that i version works quite well, thanks :)12:16
lcukx41it should be geared top down to operate smoothly on devices without having an account12:16
lcukx41its offputting to new users12:16
aquatixwonder how i overlooked it12:16
RST38bislcuk: that isn't sufficient consolation12:16
mavhcITT also opens links in new windows, how can I stop that in microb?12:17
lcukx41heh yeah i knpw12:17
timelessaquatix: fwiw, the browser team uses the /i/ version12:17
timelesswe even talked about hacking the browser to auto get that version for people12:17
lcukx41i hope the is better12:17
lcukx41or whatever its called12:17
RST38bislcuk: naaah12:17
RST38bisfor unknown to me reasob, pages do not seem to be designed for maemo12:18
aquatixtimeless: or ask google to redirect with an option to get the regular one?12:18
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aquatixthey do something similar with mobile browsers and for example youtube12:19
aquatixand the search engine itself12:19
timeless# Information note; FEed re3ader sucks12:20
timelessaquatix: communicationi is hard12:21
timelessmavhc: why what?12:21
mavhcwhy does it suck?12:21
aquatixtimeless: what do you mean, 'communication is hard'?12:22
timelessthe complete list of whys will not fit in the margins of this chat12:22
lcukx41completely offtopic, this thinkpad rocks12:22
aquatixlcukx41: :)12:22
* lcukx41 has never had a laptop which works before12:22
aquatixlcukx41: which one do you have?12:22
qwerty12RST38bis, is fMSX compatible with Metal Gear 1? (or is my rom just corrupt... - metal gear 2 loads up fine)12:22
lcukx41aquatix: lenovo x41 wacom touch based12:23
mavhctimeless: so there's a website? I quite like it for reading a few feeds, uses less ram12:23
timelessmavhc: i'm trying to fix the translation of Diablo12:23
aquatixlcukx41: ah, nice :)12:23
timelesswhich means i have to read each set of strings12:23
timelessfor each error case, i have to try to reproduce and understand the error12:24
timelessin most cases the error is caused by a design flaw12:24
timelessthere are dozens of them12:24
timelessand while the app is simple, it's really poorly conceived12:24
lcukx41more error strings than correct flow strings12:24
lcukx41which is technically the right way to do it12:24
timelessmost error strings are because of errors in flow12:24
RST38bisqwerty: works perfvectly well12:24
timelessthere are dozens of errors because the app can't handle the case where the user tries to add 2 feeds from the browser12:25
qwerty12RST38bis, ah, could be my rom then - fmsx is saying error loading file or somesuch. Thanks12:25
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RST38bisdefinitely rom problem then12:26
timelessthen there are cute things12:26
timelessmahvc: wait, you use this app?12:27
lcukx41"timessless, don't touch me there"12:27
timelesscan you tell me what 'ctrl-f' does?12:27
aquatixtimeless: search?12:27
timelessaquatix: a question like this is going to require a more technical answer12:27
aquatixstill talking about the rss reader right?12:28
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aquatixhmmm, search for text in all posts in the feeds?12:28
timeless'the feeds'?12:28
aquatixor only currently selected feed12:28
aquatixall subscriptions12:28
timelessok, i'll give you a free answer "no, it doesn't do that"12:28
aquatixi know12:29
timeless(al subscriptions)12:29
timelessso, what does it do? :)12:29
timelessfor people playing at home, i have a device in front of me, and i know what it does12:29
timelessbut i also know what the menu item says12:29
timelessand that isn't what it does12:29
aquatixlooks for the text in currently selected feed12:30
aquatix*feed's posts12:30
timelessaquatix: fwiw, it doesn't precisely search in the selected feed12:30
timelessfor one amusing case12:30
timeless(it can be searching in 'search results')12:30
timelessyou can 'search' all feeds12:30
timelessand then find within that resulting <thing>12:30
aquatixah right12:31
timelessok, so. the next question is...12:31
timelesswhat kind of 'thing' are we talking about?12:31
timelessis it a 'folder'?12:32
timelessis it an 'apple'?12:32
aquatixsearch results view?12:32
timelessis it a 'web page'?12:32
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timelesswell, it's either the unlost portion of a feed, or the search results12:32
timelessso what describes *that* :)12:32
aquatix`everything we could find'12:32
timeless"Find in everything we coudl find"12:33
timelessyeah um...12:33
aquatix"Find in search results and cached news items"?12:33
aquatixor is that too technical?12:33
timelesstoo technical, and technically wrong12:33
timelesssince it's only searching either search results12:34
lcukx41"Global search*"    *YMMV12:34
timelessor one portion of cached news item12:34
aquatixlcukx41: yeah, something like that12:34
timelesslcukx41: stick around, i'll get to insulting that later12:34
timeless(it will take a while)12:34
timelessmy current favorite is12:34
timelessi'm using 'search' for 'a'12:34
timelessand then find for 'police'12:35
timelessit finds police a few times12:35
timelessand then helpfully says 'no matches ofund'12:35
timeless(typos mine)12:35
timelessso, would "Find in pane" be ok?12:36
lcukx41my eldest is being so nice to me :D he wants to go out today (was grounded yesterday)    i have 2 brews now :D12:36
aquatix"what's a pane?"12:36
aquatixlcukx41: lol12:36
qwerty12lcukx41, planning on grounding him more often? :P12:36
aquatixlcukx41: he/she knows you well ;)12:36
Stskeepslcukx41: he was grounded for stealing beer? ;)12:37
aquatixerm, he12:37
lcukx41yeah he does12:37
aquatixStskeeps: lol12:37
lcukx41lolol no12:37
timelessaquatix: answer: a pane is described in the help :^b12:37
lcukx41he was grounded because he had a detention on friday12:37
timelesssee 'Browse subscribed feeds'12:37
timelessThe RSS feed reader displays information in two panes.12:38
timelessmsgid "rss_me_full_screen"12:40
timelessmsgstr "Full screen"12:40
timelessmsgid "rss_me_fullscreen"12:40
timelessmsgstr "Full screen"12:40
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timelessanyone wanna guess what the localization comments have to say about those two? :)12:40
lcukx41luke wants linerider in liqbase12:41
qwerty12Shame the flash version runs like shit on tablets :(12:41
aquatixtimeless: `gaaaah'?12:41
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lcukx41yeah qwerty, we know12:41
lcukx41but i know i could render it nicely12:42
timelessit's very verbose :)12:42
lcukx41without all the browser overheads12:42
aquatixtimeless: ghehehe12:42
timelesstechnically, one # for each of those two items :)12:42
lcukx41is there an opensource linerider12:42
timelesswhat's a line rider?12:42
lcukx41even in actionscript12:42
aquatixyeah, what's linerider? :)12:42
* aquatix googles12:42
lcukx41linerider is hand drawn sketch dynamics12:42
aquatixlike numpty physics?12:43
lcukx41little dude falls and interacts with the sketches12:43
lcukx41different, simpler12:43
aquatixah, k12:43
aquatix <- neat12:43
lcukx41luke has just said "YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS" hwen i said we are looking :)12:44
lcukx41him and his mates all play at school :) and he tries on the tablet and is unhappy with performance12:45
lcukx41the drawings are so simple though that liqbase could really shine with it12:45
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lcukx41that could be a really intersting project for him,12:48
lcukx41also for me, cos its unlimited page size12:49
mavhcsays "find in page" here, which is apparently what it does12:51
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timelessmavhc: you're missing a key detail12:54
timelessthere's no 'page'12:54
timelessa page is a certain form of document12:55
timelessand the thing you're searching isn't that12:55
timelessplease note that i've filed bugs about find in page in mail12:55
timelesssomeone else's bug on the same subject finally got it fixed for fremantlw12:55
mavhcok, find in current view?12:55
timelessbut it was a bug when i first filed it12:55
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timelessi've picked 'find in pane' because 'pane' is listed in the help12:56
timelessif you think 'find in current view' is ok as a menu item (lengthwise) and in meaning, i'm willing to use it12:56
timelessi considered it but don't think it adds much value and don't like the extra width12:56
timelessand just 'find in view' ends up being problematic12:56
mavhcI'm fine with page12:56
timelessnot quite picky enough :)12:57
mavhctranslation is a bitch apparently12:57
timelessbut, in that case, i hope you enjoy your nokia(c) product :)12:57
* timeless sighs12:58
timelesswhere's the warning label that the feed reader might not start if it has too many subscribed feeds?12:58
* lcukx41 offers timeless a shot of vodka12:58
* timeless declines12:58
timelessa group of russians offered me money on friday12:58
* lcukx41 persists12:58
* timeless was very thankful for the offer12:59
* timeless had to decline12:59
mavhcI wish they'd fix videocenter to not corrupt its database12:59
timelessany other day i'd have accepted12:59
timelessit was just bad timing12:59
* lcukx41 iwll remember that for the next summit12:59
timelessbut i was just glad to help them and glad that they showed their appreciation12:59
timelessmavhc: i'm not sure the video center people exist12:59
* timeless should check12:59
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mavhcI've found only dl'ing one thing at a time helps13:01
timelessyeah, but you probably don't have 250-300 subscriptions13:02
timelessthe feed reader isn't starting13:02
timelessall i get is a white screen13:02
timelesswell, ok, "that's a start"13:02
RST38hMAD Magazine is about to put out its 500th issue, but starting with its April publication, the mag is cutting down to only four issues per year. The feedback we've gotten from readers,' quipped Editor John Ficarra, 'is that only every third issue of MAD is funny, so we've decided to just publish those.' MAD Kids and MAD Classics are ceasing publication entirely.13:02
* RST38h weeps silently13:02
timelessbut is it too much to hask for a toolbar?13:02
timelessrst38h: you're slow, that's been on /. for minutes! :)13:02
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RST38hmoo johnx13:03
lcukx41hola! johnx13:03
aquatixtimeless: your reader finally showed your /. feed? ;)13:03
Stskeepsmorning johnx13:03
aquatixhey johnx13:03
* johnx hates sundays O_o13:03
johnxhi all :D13:04
* Stskeeps doesn't like hildon-input-method atm13:04
johnxnot treating you right?13:04
timelessaquatix: i read /. in ff13:04
aquatixtimeless: ah ;)13:04
mavhcI have 4 feeds in the rss reader13:04
timelessmy reader is showing me a perfect image of a white screen13:04
timelessexcept for the uggly TN stuff :)13:04
mavhcthe comments are better than the articles anyway, as usual13:05
aquatixtimeless: that's not minutes, that's 1.5h13:05
timelesseh, i'm reading the monty python comments atm13:05
lcukx41johnx, sundays arent so bad, it means you got through another week13:05
aquatixmavhc: yeah, i have 4 feeds in the reader too13:05
timelessi'd have to go back to check the time13:05
johnxlcukx41, sundays are my biggest work day13:05
timelessBut was it an increase in African or European DVD sales?13:05
timelessAfrican DVDs are non-migratory.13:05
aquatixtimeless: well, according to my personal homepage, which has the feed in a box :)13:05
Stskeepsjohnx: not popping up13:05
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mavhcafrican dvds are all pirate copies anyway13:06
johnxStskeeps, for osso-xterm? or anything?13:06
lcukx41johnx, mine too but ive got the kids this morning13:06
lcukx41sunday mornings are for sleeping, not picking "Mac" out of the bath after he fell in at 8am13:06
Stskeepsjohnx: discovered i had forgotten to update HIM with fremantle versions13:06
Stskeepsof course they don't work correctly..13:06
aquatixwtf @ Downadup Worm13:07
johnxStskeeps, the big question is "Are they supposed to work? -and- Do they work for people inside Nokia?"13:07
Stskeepsjohnx: they probably have hw keyboards :P13:07
mavhcwhat do I need to restore from backup to get my homepage radio player applet channels back?13:07
Stskeepsjohnx: add yourself onto btw :P13:08
timelessis what supposed to work?13:09
lcukx41johnx, dont he will wikirevert you, you have to send him an email13:09
johnxtimeless, fremantle level h-i-m13:09
Stskeepslcukx41: mostly formal to get people on jaiku :P13:10
johnxStskeeps, fine, fine. :P13:10
timelessso you mean an osk?13:10
timelessyes they work13:10
lcukx41i know that lol13:10
timelesswhere work means they crash less often than h-d13:10
timeless(which is a useless statement, since h-d crashes constantly)13:10
* Stskeeps tries to recompile the vkb example13:10
timelessmavhc: wanna try breaking your feed reader?13:11
Stskeepsjohnx: at least it breaks both on x86 and armel :P13:11
Stskeepsit's always nice to be able to test that13:11
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johnxI do prefer those bugs, I must admit13:11
timelessyou like consistency?13:12
timelessthat's no fun13:12
timelesswhere's the excitement?13:12
Stskeepstimeless: then again i want to strange pulseaudio..13:12
Stskeepsyeah, strangle13:13
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timelessstrange, why? :p13:13
lcukx41has anyone seen these very expensive keyboards with lcd display in the middle for showing feeds and stuff13:13
timelesslcukx41: i never got approval for the laser keyboard :(13:13
johnxlcuk810, yeah, it's called a nokia n810, right?13:13
Stskeepswell, it starts having weird mutex errors on armel occasionally13:13
aquatixlcukx41: you mean those things called `laptops'?13:13
lcukx41lol johnx13:13
RST38hSts: Why not start by murdering ALSA first?13:13
lcukx41gaming keyboards13:13
StskeepsRST38h: alsa doesn't die through assertions constantly13:14
RST38hSts: Dies for me.13:14
lcukx41our tablets dont interact with desktop that often13:14
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aquatixlcukx41: i saw one with an lcd on the right, but that was an Asus htpc-in-keyboard13:14
lcukx41ill find the link once flash and stuff is installed13:14
timelessyou can sort in the feed reader?13:16
johnxlcuk810, some logitech thing, right? I actually have/had a laptop that had a screen under the touchpad, but it was kind of an awful laptop...13:16
timelessdoes it do something useful?13:16
qwerty12lcukx41, a logitech g15?13:16
lcukx41firefox is a look at te logitech g15, its not the exact model but thats the sort of thing13:17
lcukx41the one i saw on friday had a 320*240 lcd in same location13:17
lcukx41lol yeah13:17
* timeless wonders why software would look at hardware13:17
aquatixtimeless: only if you want to sort news postings alfabetically13:17
aquatixon `name' no less :/13:17
lcukx41helps if i read13:17
* aquatix is off for a bit13:18
aquatixtimeless: good luck13:18
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lcukx41anyway, i have written numerous applications which interact with windows13:19
lcukx41from little servers to fullblown desktop apps13:19
lcukx41my n810 sits between keyboard and monitor just like that13:19
lcukx41clicking on links on the tablet should be made to open windows in windows13:20
Stskeepsjohnx: heads up, synaptics driver tries to steal your touchscreen input btw :P13:20
johnxah, cute13:20
johnxyeah, saw that on jaiku13:20
johnxwas quite worried about what was meant by "harmfull" :P13:20
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Stskeepsblows up your tablet ;P13:21
lcukx41xsp driver eats input too13:21
Stskeepslcukx41: this one thinks your touchscreen is a synaptics tablet13:21
lcukx41but the touch sensitivity of tablet is not right is it13:22
lcukx41synaptics use a textured surface to ensure it knows you are touching it13:23
lcukx41i can techncially stroke across tablet without registering13:23
RST38halso the tablet does not report pressure correctly13:24
Stskeepswell it shouldn't be touching the device at all :)13:24
lcukx41RST38h: pressue isnt that big a deal re synaptics13:24
timelesshrm, this outchpad is alps13:25
lcukx41but yeah, there is an uneven distribution of pressure - same with most touch devices13:25
lcukx41very difficult to get something calibrated and true13:26
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lcukx41"ouchpad"  if you poke it too hard it cries13:27
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RST38hlcuk: isn't uneven pressure distribution easy to calibrate for?13:29
RST38hI mean, it should still be relatively linear13:29
RST38hand will depend on how the display is bent13:29
Stskeepsjohnx: think i'm reverting HIM, they don't seem to work sanely13:29
lcukx41its not linear though, its gonna be roughly the same for each device due to the layout of the wiring)13:30
RST38hlcuk: for small bends (i.e. much smaller than the overall surface size) it is going to be close to lienar13:31
lcukx41you need to map where you get interference and lower resolution for the same pressure pressed and create a pair of glasses for it13:31
lcukx41a similar map is needed to fix the interference for the camera :)13:31
johnxStskeeps, yeah, seems totally reasonable.13:32
lcukx41(they did the same for hubble as well)13:32
* RST38h is impressed now =)13:32
RST38hall right, TTG13:32
* RST38h made one more fix to the frame rate counter but not going to upload this version to extras for now13:33
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lcukx41:) cya later rst13:33
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RST38hactually, two fixes, second one dealing with interpolating video buffers which have non-1:1 dimensions13:33
pupnikshouldn't the OS handle pressure compensation?13:34
RST38hpupnik: Should be handled in the driver but isn't13:34
RST38hpupnik: I do not think the pressure value was very important for Maemo guys - the OS UI has no use for it13:34
lcukx41pupnik, yes but its very specific to the panel and device its situated within, the OS could allow a mapping file to be linked to each input device to smooth it out, but to be honest, its just not worth the extra hassle or complexity13:35
StskeepsRST38h: pressure is useful in xournal for instance13:35
Stskeepswhen writing13:35
lcukx41the normal input does not use pressure so a gradient doesnt matter so much13:35
lcukx41and thats coming from someone who had pressure in liqbase from the start :)13:36
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pupnikok thanks lcukx4113:36
lcukx41and even with a slightly uneven distribution of pressure gradients its just like now when drawing with pencil on paper, you will get uneven sections13:36
pupnikhow do you like the x41 so far?13:36
pupniki got lucky with my display13:37
lcukx41:) well im in bed now, its the first proper laptop ive had and battery lasts amazingly well and its nice13:37
lcukx41(battery lasts cos i am locked to 800mhz)13:37
lcukx41or its just decent lol, am used to craptops which have bad bateries13:39
pupnikhow good is the screen in moderate lighting (daylight, indoor)13:41
pupnik@ lcukx4113:41
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lcukx41pupnik i havent noticed a problem with it, its just a screen13:42
thopiekarCould someone please explain me how to build a single package of multi-source-package? for example: php5 => php5-mysql13:42
Stskeepsbuild entire thing :P13:43
pupnikyou could build all the stuff seperately13:44
thopiekarpupnik: how?13:44
pupnikthen manually pack the stuff into one big .deb using dpkg13:44
pupnikbut that violates how the debian packaging system is supposed to work13:44
pupnikusing dpkg command, you can pack any tree of stuff into a .deb which will install13:45
pupnikbut i won't assist further in doing bad things :P13:45
thopiekarpupnik: no... "dpkg-buildpackage -h" wants to make lots of packages ... php5 and it's plugins but I just need php5 and one of the plugins13:45
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johnxthopiekar, it's easiest to just let it build all the packages13:46
pupnikthen you can/must edit the buildfiles in the "debian" directory of the source package13:46
pupnikpull out unneeded deps from debian/rules etc13:47
pupnikbut the exact steps can vary13:47
johnxneed to edit: debian/files debian/control and debian/rules13:47
johnxat least13:47
thopiekarjohnx: but I don't need every plugin of the multipackage and solving all dependences is wasting time -.-13:48
thopiekarjohnx, pupnik: thanks13:49
* Stskeeps hugs Mer13:49
johnxStskeeps, :)13:50
lcukx41is it just me or is the debmaster job saga feeling like "x factor" ?13:50
johnxlcukx41, like x-men?13:51
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lcukx41lol no13:52
lcukx41unless we have some super heroes13:52
* johnx wanted a mutant debmaster13:52
johnximproper debian/changelog file! *laser eyes*13:52
lcukx41i think the council should get themselves some lycra suits and become the powerrangers13:52
Stskeepslcukx41: bad bad mental image13:53
lcukx41i think i should get out of bed anyway13:53
lcukx41Stskeeps: hahahaha yeah13:53
johnxthey have something waaaay better than the power rangers here. They're like the power rangers, except instead of a secret base they drive a lunch truck13:54
Stskeepsjohnx: only in japan..13:56
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Stskeepshmm, am i the only one who think it's odd you can thumbs up both on planet and on a community council post?14:00
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Stskeepsi sense karma corruption!14:00
johnxcultural note: in some countries the thumbs down means "I'll kill you."14:00
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bongoand thumbs up?14:10
johnxnah, that's safe everywhere :P14:10
bongoi'll f**K you?14:10
johnxdon't be silly :D14:10
bongome? never ....14:11
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* bongo will be back (time for ganja)14:13
johnxbongo, FYI: publicly logged channel :)14:14
lcukjohnx, could be in acountry where it doesnt matter14:14
lcukor he just doesnt care14:14
bongoi don't care14:14 tell that to the customs people i ran into back in 200214:14
johnxhence the 'FYI' and not 'OHNOES!!!'14:15
* suihkulokki wonders when immigration people will start to google ones name before letting in14:15
bongoI live 88 km14:15
lcuksuihkulokki, i have something like 7 billion google results14:16
pupnikthe USA blocked Cat Steven's entry just recently14:16
bongo8 km away from the netherlands14:16
bongoso nobody cares about smoking here14:16
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: did we figure out why nit-kernel-compat crashed btw?14:16
Stskeeps(benson tried it i think)14:17
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, nope, I've never looked at it tbh14:17
Stskeepsi'll look at it tomorrow i think14:18
lcukanyone want anything from the shop while im there14:18
Stskeepslcuk: bread14:19
johnxlcuk, a good british beer14:19
pupnikHaha for lcuk -- your GBP in 3 years
pupnik"your turn!" - lolz14:20
lcukjohnx, do they exist?14:20
lcukhehe pupnik14:21
johnxlcuk, dunno, you're the one at the store :P14:21
lcuknot yet im not and i dont think my wifi will last14:21
lcuksuppose i need to find out14:21
lcuk810wed shall see14:22
johnxgah, editing wiki tables is ugly14:24
johnxStskeeps, er, wait, so did you want me to add myself directly to or send you an email?14:27
Stskeepsyeah, just add yourself :P14:27
* johnx adds self, breaks the table14:28
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: btw advanced power, gconf is in python-gconf14:30
johnxthere, fine. :P joined the Mer project finally14:33
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, ok. I'll fix it later14:33
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: ta, sorry to be bugging you :)14:33
Stskeepsit's really impressive some of the gaps maemo has towards upstream :P14:34
qwerty12_N800heh, it's no problems :)14:34
Stskeepsjohnx: btw was your hildon-desktop-env with root password and admins group ever built?14:34
Stskeeps(can't recall :P)14:35
johnxnope. actually, I have time to test it now14:35
qwerty12_N800but don't delete the source packages now please, i don't have them available locally :p14:35
johnxthese last two days the real world was being rather time intensive14:35
Stskeepshehe, i had that last week14:35
johnxpeople! in my house! sleeping on my floor!14:35
Stskeepsi've sat so much time studying and writing on paper that my neck is complaining :P14:35
johnxfinally done though right?14:36
lcuk810will  it last14:36
johnxlcuk810, are you walking to the store connected to wifi?14:36
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, and courses starting again tomorrow14:36
Stskeepsonly one course and exam in 1/2 a year14:37
Stskeepsand thesis exam in 3/4 year14:37
johnxat least you're free for now though14:37
johnxand the first week of classes never counts14:37
Stskeepsyeah.. should start cleaning the house though14:37
Stskeepsas gf is coming home14:37
johnxI don't just have to clean...I have to get ready to move O_o14:38
Stskeepsick :P moving to another apartment in jp or?14:38
johnxback to the US :)14:38
* Stskeeps glares at hildon input method14:39
johnxsure will be fun trying to figure out what to do with the stuff we've accumulated over 2 years here14:39
MacerStskeeps: that thing still running slow for you?14:39
StskeepsMacer: haven't been touching it to be honest, been so busy last week14:40
Stskeepsand then i've just been hacking away at Mer14:40
Macerah.. ok14:40
lcuk810i think it dropped though14:40
lcuk810i couldnt see any updates14:40
lcuk810shall have to improvethat soon14:41
Macerwell.. let me know if you still use it or have problems with it14:41
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Macerif you do then i'll just give you a dedicated box here when i get the time to build it14:41
johnxlcuk810, so are you switching APs as you go or just walking really slowly and haven't made it out of your front yard yet?14:41
* Stskeeps glares at hildon input method again14:41
lcukwalked about 200mts  to the shop14:41
Stskeepswhy doesn't it work in the old version now14:41
lcuki need a better ap on my roof14:42
lcukits like old cb14:42
lcukill put a big 22ft pole up there14:42
johnxlcuk, then get busted by the UK equivalent of the FCC14:43
lcukwhy? i wouldnt up the wattage14:44
lcuki can use a large antenna and not do anything illegal :)14:44
lcukunless of course its so large it gets in the flightpath14:44
johnxyeah, I guess I was thinking a directional antenna14:44
lcukdirectional or not, the problem is the power output14:45
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johnxbut directional = more power output in a certain area14:45
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lcukyeah, but still only at most X watts whatever is being put out14:46
johnxright, but the law is usually about wattage directed at a given space14:46
lcuki could be living next door to someone with an omnidirectional rig outputting the same power and have the same problem14:47
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johnxyes, you're free to have your problems anywhere14:47
Veggenjohnx: in ham radio, you can do those things.14:48
Veggenmake your antenna as directional as you want.14:48
johnxbut HAM radio is licensed14:48
thopiekarI have a problem to build some debs from the apt-sources (of ubuntu).. to make a fresh debhelper .deb (for maemo) I need man-db but man-db requires debhelper, too...!!14:48
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johnxlcuk, (rereading) didn't mean to come off quite that snarky ... :(14:53
lcukdidnt think you were johnx :)14:54
johnxI tend to worry about how I come across in a text only medium14:54
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Stskeepsjohnx: do you remember our strange h-d & pulseaudio problem?14:57
Stskeepswith the mutexes and mabob14:58
johnxthat magically went away with xorg vs xomap?14:58
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Stskeepsor was this hildon input method..14:58
johnxah, sorry. yeah, that was h-i-m14:59
johnxdidn't remember an h-d problem with pulse I thought...14:59
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* johnx loses his mind14:59
* Stskeeps did that last night14:59
johnxI'm just really glad I take mondays off15:00
* timeless tries to decide which is a better localization comment15:02
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timeless# Main title of application menu: D15:02
timelessmsgstr "View"15:02
timeless# Main title of application menu: Close15:03
timelessmsgstr "Help"15:03
timelessanyone have a preference? :)15:03
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StskeepsHelp going to 'Close' would be kinda ironic..15:03
thopiekarhmm why isn't debconf-utils not available in the diablo-sdk repo?15:03
Stskeepsthopiekar: because Maemo is werid15:03
* thopiekar needs it to make packages of openldap215:03
Stskeepsit's not for fun that we do Mer15:04
Stskeepswell, part of it is15:04
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timelessobviously the most helpful thing the app can do is run away15:04
Stskeepsjohnx: i've lost hope in computers. old HIM packages breaks too15:04
timelessand let you find some other app to run15:04
johnxyeah, definitely h-i-m dying in xomap and/or pulseaudio15:05
* thopiekar is going crazy when looking at his mindmap to solve all dependences for php5 !!15:05
johnxif my memory is going to keep going dowhill I'm going to need to get a lot better at grepping logs15:05
lcukthopiekar, cant you just build everything15:05
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johnxlcuk, that's the problem :P he needs to build some dependencies for php5, and they have dependencies, etc15:06
thopiekarlcuk: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot says that some packages are missing15:06
thopiekarjohnx: thats right15:07
johnxOmegamoon, hey. I think I'm close to having an xserver-kdrive deb source package for ubuntu :)15:07
lcukthopiekar, might be simpler starting with gentoo :D15:07
thopiekarthe best thing is that debhelper depends on man-db and man-db on debhelper -.-!15:07
Stskeepsthopiekar: <- and this is why i love Mer.15:07
thopiekarhave you ready packages?15:08
Stskeepsyup, most of ubuntu :)15:08
* thopiekar asks himself why on hell he is building the packages...15:09
thopiekarStskeeps: where can i find them?15:09
Stskeepsthopiekar: because you want it to work on Maemo? :P15:09
lcukcos for now mer is not complete15:09
Stskeepsand what lcuk said15:09
Stskeeps'll have to wait a bit :P15:09
thopiekarStskeeps: so these are not armel-packages?15:09
Stskeepsthopiekar: those are armel packages but im not confident they'd work on maemo15:09
johnxI'm confident they won't work on maemo15:10
thopiekarhmm should I continue my dirty work?15:11
Stskeepsthopiekar: it's good practice..15:11
Stskeepsthopiekar: what are you trying to do exactly btw?15:11
thopiekarbuild all packages of the multipackage php5-xy (the newest version of ubuntu)15:12
lcuksame as everyone else, take over the world one package at a time15:12
Stskeepsthopiekar: for what purpose, i meant15:12
thopiekaraah someone wrote me yesterday on irc he would need php-mysql515:13
johnxthought so :)15:13
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* lcuk giggles15:13
johnxthopiekar, you're a more generous man than me :)15:13
thopiekari just ./configure;make:make install uploaded it to rapidshare and he gave me 4,55€'s^^ but than he said that he needs debs15:14
thopiekarso i'm now working on it15:14
Stskeepsah, and he wouldn't take my 27 euro rate :P15:14
johnxahaha...last time I sold homework was in school15:15
johnxhow much will you charge not to tell his teacher?15:16
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: bashism in advanced-power postinst btw15:16
Stskeeps(i'm testing it with hald-addon-bme :P)15:16
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, the reboot part?15:16
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qwerty12_N800'twas taken from the original :), but unless the maemo-confirm-text exists, it shouldn't show15:17
Stskeepsjohnx: maybe we should set up a consultant house for maemo matters..15:18
johnxhuh...paid tech support for mer?15:18
Stskeepsnah, just for strange things you can do with mer and maemo if people cant be bothered figuring it out ;>15:18
* thopiekar is building tcl8.4 packages15:19
qwerty12_N800if you wanna save time, they're in the debfarm repo15:19
qwerty12_N800(tcl + tk)15:20
Stskeepsjohnx: for release versions we should consider chvt tricks to hide some of the nasty things hildon shows while booting..15:20
thopiekarhmm I should edit my sources.list15:20
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johnxStskeeps, I'll add that to my auto-startx todo list. but, anyways, I'm too tired to be useful tonight. will test and build stuff tomorrow15:22
lcuknothing wrong with a proper business consultancy service tbh15:22
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Stskeepswow, advanced-power is very maemoized :P15:23
qwerty12_N800good or bad thing? :)15:23
* lcuk is enjoying adding new widgets, starting to get comfortable with the api and how to manage it15:24
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: as in, we don't have for instance15:24
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, ah, should be added though imo15:24
Stskeepsadvanced-power-monitor, that is15:24
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qwerty12_N800Did the gconf schema import succeed?15:25
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Stskeepsthink so15:25
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: does AP require APMD?15:25
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, since ap 0.3.5, yer15:26
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Stskeepsalso, gconf problem is solved with import gconf instead of from gnome import gconf15:28
Stskeeps(your dependancies are correct)15:28
* thopiekar got a headache when seeing gcj as a dependency15:29
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, cool, I'll fix in about 3 hours15:31
thopiekar> Unmet build dependencies: gfortran | fortran95-compiler .....15:31
thopiekarmeans that I need gfortran or fortran95-compiler, right?15:31
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* thopiekar has 'touched' the end of the dependency-tree15:41
lcukthopiekar, RMS is saying "bad touch! bad touch!"15:42
thopiekardpkg-buildpackage @ gcc: needed packages: dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15) debhelper (>= 5.0.62) autogen dejagnu lzma binutils (>= 2.17cvs20070426) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.17cvs20070426) gperf (>= 3.0.1) bison (>= 1:2.3) flex libmpfr-dev (>= 2.3.0) realpath (>= 1.9.12) graphviz (>= 2.2) gsfonts-x11 texlive-latex-base15:44
thopiekaralmost upgrades -.-15:44
qwerty12_N800Jaffa has done a wicked job with the Mer front page :)15:46
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lcukqwerty12_N800, hasn't he just :)15:48
Stskeepshildon-statusbar-battery dies when you put in charger :>15:48
qwerty12_N800Take it that AP didn't go so well? :P15:49
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: added the run-standalone thing to todo15:49
Stskeepsright now i'm just trying different things from maemo15:49
qwerty12_N800jook it from the sdk15:49
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: steal it from the sdk15:49
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah, except our ways of dealing with maemo settings is a bit different :)15:50
* lcuk is constantly impressed by how this is progressing15:53
lcuk:) there will be a video as soon as all the pieces come together15:54
lcukthen code to play with15:54
lcukpkg-config doesnt know where to find docs for specific libraries does it15:58
Stskeepskhertan_: you need to add 'eth0' option to homeip too ;)16:04
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Jake42-2Stskeeps,  are you active?16:18
thopiekarJake42-2: more than you can beleave^^16:18
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thopiekarargh! could someone please tell me what happend?16:41
thopiekarchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables16:41
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thopiekarhey pupnik16:42
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Jaffaqwerty12_N800: ta for the nice comment about the homepage, btw16:44
qwerty12_N800Jaffa, no problem, thanks for the work you've put into it. (as an outsider) it really makes Mer look good :)16:45
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qwerty12_N800thopiekar, if this is ubuntu, google scratchbox+mmap+sysctf.conf16:47
qwerty12_N800meh, too late16:47
qwerty12_N800yep, thanks16:47
aquatixJaffa: what's the mer homepage?16:47
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mer is
JaffaThat ---^16:47
thopiekarback, again..16:48
JaffaStskeeps: the "Latest Activity" will now include any planet posts talking about mer16:50
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emma_goldsteini'm searching for a terminal where i can position the cursor with the stylus - anything out there?16:51
Stskeepsroxterm maybe and the application understanding x terminal cursor stuff? :P16:52
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, i'll get round to actually testing advanced-power myself in Mer and fixing any problems I see arising16:52
lcukemma_goldstein, people commonly use window managers and GUIs for that :P16:53
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: alright16:53
* Stskeeps should go down and take the dishes16:53
emma_goldstein***lcuk - ???16:55
lcukwhen they wanna use cursors and clicking things16:55
emma_goldsteinlcuk: and what terminal emulater can i use for that on maemo? i just added shortcuts for left and right keys but even this is annoying when you want to change anything in the beginning of the line16:58
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lcuki dunno emma, what about adding shortcuts for home and end?17:02
radic_where can I find the usb-home-plugin?17:02
lcuki assume the default one will work with it17:02
t_s_othe dpad acts as arrow keys, just hold down one direction...17:02
emma_goldsteinlcuk: sure, i'm just used to it from my os to click in the line and type, it's really a saver17:06
lcuki cant do that in mine17:07
t_s_oi cant comment on whats provided in maemo, but iirc, bash and zsh have key combos that will take one back or forward a word at a time...17:07
GeneralAntillesemma_goldstein, you know you can use the dpad, right?17:08
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emma_goldsteinga: sure, i'm just a heavy stylus user (coming from the newton), so i got to get comfort with sliding the keys17:09
radic_I couldn't find the damn usb home plugin...17:10
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aquatixJaffa: ah, check :)17:14
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aquatixJaffa: looks nice indeed17:14
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radic_qwerty12_N800: can you help me to find that plugin?17:24
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* thopiekar is building perl more than 1hour long on sb1 -.-'17:43
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Stskeepswtf @ "underwater" scene mode17:55
Stskeepsin the camera modes :P17:56
Stskeepsof rx-5117:56
lcukStskeeps, what you dont take your n810 with you when you go diving?17:57
Stskeepslcuk: i don't have a n810 :(17:58
* lcuk has taken his n810 with him every time he has been diving in the last year..17:58
lcukthat reminds, me i must actually go diving this year17:58
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lcukthought you had one of everything17:58
dobStskeeps: for shooting at an aquarium? :)17:59
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Stskeepsdob: maybe17:59
b-manhi, Stskeeps17:59
Stskeepsafternoon b-man17:59
t_s_oor maybe to give images that underwater feel? ;)18:00
qwerty12Stskeeps, I see got icons :P18:00
Stskeepsit does?18:00
Stskeepswhere? :P18:00
qwerty12lookie at the icons :)18:00
GeneralAntillesI'm betting t_s_o's right on this one. ;)18:00
Stskeepsqwerty12: ah18:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: i mirror it from the master repo s18:01
lcukStskeeps, the snow_beach one is more like the n8x0 camera18:01
qwerty12Need to fix my advanced-power package so I was in there so I could get my source packages again18:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: one reason why bzr is nice :P18:01
* Jaffa prods GeneralAntilles about interview questions, whilst packing up his (Jaffa's, not GeneralAntilles') kids18:01
lcukStskeeps, what modifications on general are required to maemo sources to get them compiled with the new hildon and mer in general18:02
* b-man just updated his ubuntu guide to include a new and improved rootstrap image -
qwerty12Stskeeps, I'll never turn to the dark side :P18:02
* Jaffa likes bzr (still not sure I prefer it to the simplicity of Subversion), but still not convinced about git18:02
Stskeepslcuk: depends if you use libtool in a bad way or not18:02
Stskeepslcuk: we do very minimal changes, often it involves adding libtool, autoconf and automake to build-dependancies18:03
Stskeepsas people are -spoiled- by scratchbox18:03
lcukthats not a very useful answer, are you having to make actual code modifications to most things18:03
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lcukor are these patches mainly in the packaging18:03
Stskeepslcuk: packaging18:03
qwerty12lcuk, for xchat, all it required me was to remove conic code.18:03
Stskeepslcuk: it varies how much we have to patch to bring maemo code to the future..18:04
Stskeepsi mean, it's technically stuck back in 2005 some of it :)18:04
arocsAnyone knows a good aplication to use chat with webcam? i use amsn but it is very buggy.18:04
Stskeepslcuk: and patterns are emerging18:04
lcukyes, understood - but for the right reasons, it worked18:04
qwerty12Stskeeps, want me to add python-gconf as a dependency?18:04
arocsi have n800 with os200818:05
t_s_oarocs: depends on who you want to chat with18:05
arocsnormally msn windows18:05
lcukStskeeps, good, try to document them, it will help when the main push to upgrade comes18:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: it's already there18:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: as i could see18:05
arocsis it possible?18:05
qwerty12It's not there in the depends line of advanced power according to gedit18:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: hm, maybe python-gnome picks it up18:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: it's just that "from gnome import gconf" is not true anymore18:06
qwerty12Yep, I'll use quilt to change that18:06
t_s_othen amsn is your only option, as i dont think any other software wants to touch the required lib (it got some shakey reverse engineering behind it)18:06
arocswhat version of amsn for n800 ?18:06
qwerty12Stskeeps, btw, is there a simple equivalent of `whatever` in python?18:07
Stskeeps`whatever`? :P18:07
qwerty12Well, the sh feature where it takes output from that command :P18:07
lcukchav version of hello world!18:07
arocsamsn with sound ..?18:08
Stskeepsqwerty12: , search for backquote18:08
lcukqwerty12, what does it do18:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked, thanks18:08
qwerty12lcuk, run "echo `echo h` i" and run "echo echo h i" and you'll see18:09
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lcukahhh i thought you meant an app called whatever18:10
* lcuk is illuminated18:11
arocsSomone get amsn working with sound ?18:12
Stskeepsdob: did we try mkfs.ext3'ing all over again last night btw? :P18:13
Stskeepsjust if it was a corrupted FS issue18:13
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arocsis amsn package been ported to maemo?18:14
Stskeepsgoogle internettablettalk? :P18:15
Stskeeps / search it18:15
arocsnow i am trying the latest amsn modified version. but is very buggy18:18
Stskeepsso it goes18:19
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qwerty12Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power package? I've changed the import gconf line and I think that's it?18:20
Stskeepsmm, can't you just up the version? *ducks*18:21
Stskeepsthen it does it for you :P18:21
qwerty12Hmm, I do up the version but the orig.gz has the same name18:22
Stskeepsah, thought you just did -sd18:22
Stskeepssure, i'll delete it18:22
qwerty12-sd, -sa - doesn't make a difference :)18:22
qwerty12In advanced-power-monitor, it's that is the problem?18:23
thopiekarCould someone please tell me what goes there wrong...
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, also, i don't understand why it's a init.d daemon :P18:24
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qwerty12Stskeeps, it's supposed to start for other programs that query it for info... without it starting at boot time anyway, it'd make the applet useless18:25
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qwerty12But soon as I get the hang of subprocess, I'll fix the run-standalone issue. It's only using it to get dbus variables from af-defines18:25
Stskeepsmm, it should really spit it out on system dbus18:26
* Stskeeps doesn't totally agree with the architecture of this thing, but hm :P18:27
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* slonopotamus understood one thing recently. python is slow. java is slow. only C and C++ are fast.18:29
Stskeepsfast in execution, but slow in development18:30
slonopotamususe distcc + cccache?18:30
Stskeepsdoesn't matter18:30
lcukslonopotamus, python and java are only slow if you use entirely native java or python libraries18:30
ShadowJKslow in development = lots of lines of code for a task18:31
lcukdepending on the task, scripted languages can be almost indistinguishable from native18:31
slonopotamuslcuk, i'm java developer :) i know what i'm  saying18:32
lcukim a c developer, i know what i'm saying :)18:32
* b-man senses a language war brewing18:33
lcuknot at all, ive got a lot of respect for scripted languages18:33
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lcukim hopeful that libliqbase can be embedded soon :)18:34
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radic_qwerty12: I've compiled the kernel without USB withelist but my hub dosn't work18:34
* lcuk curses the name again18:34
qwerty12radic_, maybe the N800 just doesn't like that hub then. *shrug*18:34
* b-man wonders how to fix the wlan0 issue in ubuntu18:35
radic_qwerty12: no, It worked few kernel-updates ago18:35
soapwhich brings up the question - has anyone analyzed the USB signal quality of the N8x0 hardware?18:36
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Stskeepsb-man: is HAL running?18:36
Stskeepscheck if hald is there18:36
b-mani checked and it actually was not, so i decided to use hal from deblet instead and i'm getting a similar issue18:37
Stskeepsb-man: ok, so we're having similar problems right now18:38
b-mani'm starting to think that somthing else is causing hal to have issues18:39
Stskeepsi thought so too but i downloaded my HAL and it helped.. try this package:18:39
Stskeepsyeah, looking18:42
b-manbtw, the nm applet iss fully functioning now. all i need is working wifi ;)18:45
b-manedit: is18:45
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Stskeepsand you have tablet-wireless and such?18:46
b-man(wlan0 issue) - i believe18:47
qwerty12Stskeeps, it's kinda hard to test when network manager refuses to believe that I have wireless and it insists in fucking up my usbnet connection :/18:49
ShadowJKNetworkManager is very efficient at fucking up connections.18:49
qwerty12hell yes18:49
qwerty12fuck it, I'll mount the card on my computer and try and remove this piece of shit called network manager18:50
Stskeepsqwerty12: it does have /etc/network/interfaces right? O_o18:50
qwerty12Stskeeps, dunno, I haven't found a way of checking because up until now, I relied on usbnet...18:51
Stskeepscheck if it has etc/network/interfaces18:51
Stskeepswith usb0 info in it18:51
qwerty12usbnet was working though before network manager started. I don't even like it, wireless doesn't even work, it's just plain easier if I remove it.18:52
StskeepsNM, qwerty's nemesis18:52
ShadowJKmine toooo18:52
qwerty12Nah, I hate this horrible thing called Mer18:53
qwerty12hehe :P, my interfaces file seems ok:
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Stskeepsyeah, it shouldnt even touch usbnet thne18:53
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* RST38h wonders whether he should set up EMULib as a separate project at Maemo18:55
RST38h(the Maemo specific part, anyway)18:56
qwerty12btw, is fMSX Maemo open source (not as in gnu free, but the code is there)? I saw that you have source for the unix fMSX so was just wondering out of curiosity18:57
RST38hYes, it is18:57
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RST38hThe Unix source code package should have it all (albeit a bit outdated)18:58
qwerty12ah, I wasn't looking carefully enough it seems :)18:58
qwerty12Stskeeps, removed all traces of network manager and now I have working usbnet with hildon-desktop running19:00
* qwerty12 is happy :)19:00
Stskeepsand i have working HIM on my vm again19:01
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Stskeepsthe virtualbox vm is really a blessing in terms of testing stuff19:01
Stskeepsno more fiddling with usbnet and such19:01
RST38hqwerty: All you need to do is cd fMSX/Maemo and sb2 make19:02
RST38hqwerty: Or cd fMSX/Maemo/Package and ./package19:02
qwerty12RST38h, in your current source zip, there is no Maemo folder but I did see ifdef's for MAEMO in fmsx.c which shows I wasn't paying attention when opened last time :)19:03
RST38hqwerty: Weiird shit. Ok, it means I have forgotten to release it19:04
RST38hqwerty: No big deal, will pack things up today or tomorrow, if I have time19:06
qwerty12Great, thanks :)19:06
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qwerty12Stskeeps, btw, will you be trying to push for a redistributable hald-addon-bme?19:08
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Stskeepsdistributable is just as good19:09
Stskeepsfor this purpose19:09
qwerty12Heh, I was kinda not hoping to see "Confidential.  You are not free to do anything with this package,unless you have permission from Nokia Oyj." :(19:09
* Stskeeps watches HAM crash after enabling red pill mode and "show all packages"19:12
Stskeeps(on x86)19:12
Stskeepswow, it worked19:12
qwerty12So it rose back from the dead?19:12
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qwerty12hah, wicked19:13
RST38hit is still ugly though =(19:13
qwerty12RST38h, don't say that! you'll hurt its feelings19:13
RST38hI am purposely lowering its self esteem!19:14
qwerty12Please don't make it go any more slower :(19:14
Stskeepsoh, F6 is full screen on x86 too19:15
Stskeepsthat's good to know19:15
qwerty12advanced-power-monitor needs fixing "No module named gobject"19:16
qwerty12I've got that installed19:16
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qwerty12I'll dig around and see if it needs a from19:16
Stskeepsfrom gnome import gobject?19:16
Stskeepsas in, broken syntax19:17
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Stskeeps(sick, i know)19:20
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thopiekarCould someone please tell me here to find the mysql-packages?19:21
thopiekarthe downloadlink sends me to the homepage of mysql19:21
Stskeepsthopiekar: you better be charging a high fee for that work19:22
Stskeepsi would need at least 250 euro personally to go through that hell :P19:22
thopiekarJake42-2: did you heard that?19:23
Stskeepsthopiekar: did you ever succeed in a Mer install btw? i can't remember19:23
thopiekarno but me and Jake42-2 are working on php5 + php5-mysql since yesterday..19:24
Stskeepsok :P19:24
thopiekarto get it working on a maemo-device..19:25
qwerty12Stskeeps, how do I get advanced-power applet to show up, if you had to enable it manually?19:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: it really should be in add applet19:25
Stskeepsif you had to add it manually, .osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf19:25
Stskeepsi think19:25
qwerty12Statusbar applets are enabled through control panel though on maemo19:25
thopiekarbut i'm at the end of my Latin.. (german saying)19:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: ah. that might explain it19:26
Stskeepsstatusbar.conf it is then19:26
Stskeepsthe control panel applet isn't OSS :)19:26
qwerty12I've got [/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-power.desktop] but it still isn't showing (this is after a restart)19:26
qwerty12Stskeeps, it is19:26
Stskeeps.. where?19:26
qwerty12I've seen the source for it somewhere, i'll find it19:26
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Stskeepswell i'm obviously blind :)19:29
qwerty12It's weirdly named - what plugins :)19:29
qwerty12Well, hildon plugins...19:29
Stskeepsi'll add it to the list19:29
thopiekarStskeeps: please explain me how to install mer.. (I know you love that question ;) )19:29
Stskeepsthopiekar: ask me in 2 hours19:30
Stskeepsthopiekar: then i have a more friendly tar.gz :P19:30
thopiekarStskeeps: whats the size of all packages..19:30
Stskeepsthopiekar: you need a 2gb SD card probably19:31
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Stskeepsone you're willing to delete everything on :P19:31
qwerty12straind, getting when running python2.5 on the file manually19:31
qwerty12Stskeeps sorry19:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: export DISPLAY=:0? :P19:31
* qwerty12 smacks himself, I thought it was automatically done :)19:31
Stskeepsmaemo spoils you19:32
qwerty12yes :P19:32
qwerty12Ok, no errors now but that doesn't explain why I'm not seeing the applet19:32
* thopiekar thinks about a mirror for mer19:32
Stskeepswell applet is booted by h-d19:32
Stskeepsisnt it?19:33
qwerty12it should be, entry is there in statusbar.conf and I've rebooted. maybe bindings are messing up19:33
Stskeepsqwerty12: check .xsession-errors19:33
Stskeepsone of the things that -does- slow mer down atm, is the fact we log things ;)19:33
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qwerty12No advanced-power or python references there19:34
Stskeepsadmittedly i've only added home applets in python19:35
Stskeepsi'll take a look later, leave an item in the tasks list and i'll get on it19:35
qwerty12Ah, I know what it is. /home/faheem/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf was updated when installing advanced-power but not /root/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf19:35
Stskeeps.. not sure that qualifies19:36
Stskeepsthe .osso in your user is what should matter :P19:36
qwerty12Dunno if it's reading it though, I've added it to /root's one, lets see if it shows up now :)19:37
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qwerty12Still no dice19:38
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Stskeepsqwerty12: sucks :/19:43
qwerty12Heh, now it means I can work on apmd :)19:43
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* Stskeeps does a little prayer HAL stopped segfaulting and boots mer.19:44
qwerty12apmd is running, just had to remove mce references19:46
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qwerty12Stskeeps, ah-ha, now we're getting somewhere:
Stskeepsdid you see the MCE stuff too?19:48
qwerty12Yeah, I've removed the references to it in the daemon, now the daemon starts fine19:49
qwerty12It's because I did that that it isn't starting. I'll de-mce both AP and the daemon and reupload soon19:50
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b-manStskeeps: do you think the wlan0 issue might be related to /etc/network/interfaces?19:51
b-manbecause hal is now functional19:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, yay!
b-manqwerty12: cool19:53
qwerty12thanks :)19:53
qwerty12lets see if it starts when I reboot now19:53
Stskeepsb-man: no, 100% HAL speciifc19:54
Stskeepsb-man: did you try the package i told you?19:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: looks good19:55
Stskeepsb-man: and hal worked then? k19:55
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b-manyes, i believe19:55
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* b-man has confemed that from testing hw keys - witch did not work before19:56
Stskeepsqwerty12: \o/19:57
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qwerty12I'll add the patches to quilt so they can be removed easily once you've got a mce clone running :)19:57
Stskeepsqwerty12: k19:57
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b-manooooo, got a pm on ITT :)20:01
b-mansomeone is complaining about my signiture20:03
Stskeepsit is rather long, but then again.. :P20:03
qwerty12b-man, send him/her: :P20:03
b-manthe sender is daperl20:04
qwerty12ok, don't, I quite like his posts :P20:04
b-manqwerty12; awsome20:05
qwerty12Done quickly with figlet: :)20:05
* b-man saves a copy for future reference20:05
b-manqwerty12: here's the pm he sent me :) -
Stskeepsb-man: hehe, at least he put it nicely :P20:09
qwerty12Oh, I'd feel guilty about sending fuck off then :)20:09
qwerty12hehe, google b-man and you get a .dk host as first result :P20:10
qwerty12The lol bit is a bit excessive imho but the rest seems fine to me20:11
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b-mandon't google b-man1620:11
Stskeepsstskeeps has a lot of crap on him :P20:12
b-manoh, you did :P20:13
Stskeepsno, searched myself20:13
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qwerty12I'm affiliated with a trojan or something :(20:14
Stskeepsoh, i practically facilitated the trojan boom and the death of sub7 bot20:14
qwerty12If you google qwerty12, you get a lot of qwerty12.exe results :/20:14
Stskeepsi'm not sure i'm getting off easy on that one in terms of karma20:15
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qwerty12Stskeeps, matrix feature in sub7 pwned20:15
b-mandont go to the second result of b-man1620:15
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Stskeepsqwerty12: my ircd facilitated realname bans of sub7 in the example conf ..20:15
Stskeepshence it got automatically banned on most new networks, less places for bot to hide20:16
Stskeepson the other hand, my easy to use IRCd and great win32 port caused the trojan boom.20:16
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Stskeepsby accident, really20:17
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b-manqwerty12: the lol in my signiture is what makes my profile unique20:21
qwerty12True, true :)20:21
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* b-man likes being unique, that's why he sometimes uses FireFox as a user name ;)20:22
qwerty12Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power & advanced-power-monitor packages off repo? These ones should work from the offset.20:23
qwerty12(well, if the user has hald-addon-bme installed...)20:23
Stskeepsb-man: i think your main project of ubuntu and mer installer is quite unique though :P20:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: removed20:26
qwerty12advanced-power-monitor is still there20:26
b-manStskeeps: true ;)20:26
* b-man multitasks a lot20:27
qwerty12now its not :)20:27
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NarhirHello guys...20:39
Narhirsorry.. maybe it is somehow.. web design releated channel ?20:39
Narhirmy bad...20:40
Narhirmayeb you know any good web design channels ? ~~20:40
RST38hBut if you have a short question, ask.20:41
Narhirok sorry for disturbing :P20:41
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radic_qwerty12_N800: wiche USB host controller drivers are you using?21:11
qwerty12_N800radic_, i've never used usb host ever on my tablet..21:12
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thopiekarqwerty12_N800: I don't believe it^^21:17
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qwerty12_N800thopiekar, hehe, haven't found a use personally for it :p21:18
thopiekarHas someone of you ever compiled libatomic-ops?21:19
thopiekarI tried to package it via dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot21:20
thopiekarbut i get this message..21:20
thopiekarpatches: debian/patches/01_s390_include.patch debian/patches/02_mips.patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch debian/patches/06_double.patch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch21:20
thopiekarPatch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch is not applied.21:20
thopiekarPatch debian/patches/06_double.patch is not applied.21:20
thopiekarPatch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch is not applied.21:20
thopiekarPatch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch is not applied.21:20
thopiekarTrying reverse patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.21:20
thopiekarmake: *** [reverse-patches] Error 121:20
thopiekararg I should use pastbin21:20
thopiekarqwerty12_N800: yes -.- stupid me21:21
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thopiekar./configure is even possible when i'm in src.. and make fails on the folder above and in src21:22
* thopiekar never runned ./configure in src before..21:22
t_s_oits kinda interesting how webkit makes the input box in the minimalist forum theme larger then microb does...21:24
* Meiz_n810 notices there is no ppl alive in #mer21:25
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t_s_oheh, i was not aware there was a channel for it21:25
Meiz_n810FireFox 3.1 beta 2 really surprised me21:27
Meiz_n810 it's as fast as midori i'd say21:27
Meiz_n810but fingerscroll works :P21:27
Meiz_n810it takes a lot of memory, but is really usable21:28
t_s_oi guess the browser speed these days hinges on its javascript engine21:29
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JaffaMeiz_n810: is it /worth/ being in #mer?21:36
Jaffat_s_o: the webkit engine makes all the nform controls finger friendlyy. I love the checkboxes in gmail basic21:37
t_s_oah yes, i had forgotten about that21:38
Meiz_n810Jaffa: no idea..21:39
Meiz_n810there's some discussion in #mer21:39
* qwerty12_N800 has a nosey21:39
GeneralAntillesDiscussion about who you're going to spam next. :P21:39
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power again (sorry)? quilt fucked up21:40
thopiekarStskeeps: are you there? You told me to remember me how to install mer on my device..21:40
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Tobayou held function down21:45
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* RST38h yawns idly21:46
timelessjaffa/gan: am i wrong in thinking that xx:yy is not an appropriate form for delta-time?21:49
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Jaffatimeless: an argument I'm having at work involving days, months and year offset :-/21:51
timelesstry this21:51
timelessopen clock21:51
timelessapp menu>alarm>alarms21:51
timelessclick ok21:51
timelesswatch the info banner21:51
Stskeepsthopiekar: sorry, my image is not ready, HAL is crashing constnatly21:54
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yes, sec21:54
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted21:55
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, btw, i'm building the source package via a mer chroot, working beautifully :P21:55
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yes, that's what i do myself21:55
Jaffatimeless: for display only I'd prefer it to say 1h 55min, or - if hours == 0, just 59min21:55
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: on x86 that is21:55
timeless"please file a bug"21:55
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yeah, I'm trying on tablet :)21:56
timelessjaffa: one other cool thing21:56
timelessif there are two buttons21:56
Jaffawill try to remember when I get home. just about to leave parents'21:56
timelessand one is a close button21:56
timelesswill it be on the right or on the left?21:56
timeless(anyone else is welcome to play along, obviously this is a trap)21:56
Stskeepsisn't that the GNOME argument? :P21:56
timelesssts: realm: maemo21:57
timelessso, what's the answer? :)21:57
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, but OK vs cancel.. :P21:57
JaffaCertainly "cancel" is a defined position. I'd guess it varies on maemo in which app you look in? ;-)21:57
JaffaOr which screen in the same app'21:57
* timeless rotfl21:57
timelesstoo true21:57
timelessthere was one wizard which historically got that wrong21:58
timelessbut i got that fixed21:58
timelessbut wizards have 4 buttons21:58
timelessthis is a 2 button dialog21:58
timelessso, no takers? :)22:00
timelessok, set an alarm for +2mins22:00
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RST38hThrough a decade of painstaking reverse engineering, trucker John Coster-Mullen built the first accurate replica of the Hiroshima bomb.22:17
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RST38hAm I the only one crying "DETONATE!" in my mind? =)22:17
Stskeepsi'm wondering why he told anyone22:19
aquatixand `why'?22:19
aquatixRST38h: but indeed, `detonate, detonate!'22:19
thopiekarStskeeps: please let me know when you are ready..22:19
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thopiekarStskeeps: do you need some testers for the project?22:20
timelessmsgstr "Unable to perform operation. Try again."22:20
timelessso... anyone have thoughts about this message?22:20
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RST38hSts: Probably wanted appreciation, just like the original Manhatten Project financiers22:21
RST38hSts: "Philip Morrison, one of the physicists who helped invent the bomb, deemed it 'a remarkable job.'"22:21
timelessthe message basically means one of two unrelated operations failed22:21
timeless(creating an alarm or settings its snooze value)22:21
timelessand that it failed because of OOM, dbus failure, or bad params22:21
Stskeepsthopiekar: yes, but i'm trying to find a problem in HAL right now :)22:22
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thopiekarStskeeps: If you want I will join the team for testing matters ;)22:24
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timelessanyone have opinions?22:25
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* timeless ponders22:27
timelesswhat's a HILDON_NOTE?22:27
timelessis it a dialog w/ no title?22:27
timelessyeah yeah22:29
RST38h~curse ALSA22:30
Meiz_n810infobot is offline = ALSA is safe :)22:31
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* RST38h has to manually sodomized ALSA with a toilet plunger.22:32
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* thopiekar even don't understands these "s/d//" syntaxes on irc-channels...22:34
Stskeepsthopiekar: man sed22:35
RST38hthopiekar: Emacs user?22:35
* thopiekar never understands the sense of emacs.. thats maybe why he was never a "user"...22:37
Meiz_n810hi my name is Heinz_n81022:37
Stskeepsand i'm a meraholic22:37
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thopiekarso "s" means replace?22:39
Meiz_n810i always tought to22:39
* Meiz_n810 is installing FF 3.122:40
RST38hToo late,Heinz! We know your true self now!22:41
thopiekarwhat is emacs actually? (offtopic)22:44
Stskeepsan editor or an OS, the discussion is still there22:44
RST38hthopiekar: An evil artificial intelligence designed by Richard Stallman to take over the world and make everyone worship GPL22:44
RST38hthopiekar: It disguises itself as a text editor22:45
thopiekar(21:42:00) RST38h: Too late,Heinz! We know your true self now!22:46
thopiekar^--  *g*22:46
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, did you delete advanced-power-monitor btw?22:51
* timeless grumbles22:51
timelessanyone here have diablo?22:52
timelesscan someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff22:52
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Meiz_n810qwerty12_N800: Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted22:54
qwerty12_N800I don't have the monitor source package anymore nor time to debianize it again.22:55
qwerty12_N800thanks Meiz_n810, didn't catch the monitor part then22:56
qwerty12_N800The Mer builder really needs to fix its bullshit of not handling new orig.tar.gz files properly.22:57
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opengeekv2hey there is someone?23:08
opengeekv2i'm trying to install mer on n80023:08
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: sorry :P when did you add it? i have backups from last night :P23:08
thopiekaris here a german-englisch translator?23:08
opengeekv2right now23:09
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, earlier today :>23:09
thopiekarmy english isn't actually the best so..23:09
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, but it shouldn't take me long to repatch the source if you've got a backup of the original package23:10
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: sec23:10
opengeekv2but when i install de .deb file it says application package incompatible23:10
Stskeepsopengeekv2: put extras-devel repository on too23:10
opengeekv2it is done23:10
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: and
Stskeepsopengeekv2: dpkg -i it manually23:10
Meiz_n810is bootmenu in extras-devel?23:11
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: the problem is that it's not in user/23:11
Stskeepsb-man would fix that23:11
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: good enough23:12
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: and isn't there an option "don't include orig.tar.gz in upload"?23:12
Stskeeps(also, you are starting to realize why SCM is good.)23:12
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yes, should be fine.23:13
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, all i know is that maemo's autobuilder handles it beautifully fine, whatever option I use23:13
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: mm23:14
chaoyianyone here use emacs23 on n810?23:16
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: -sd really ought to work, but weird23:17
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, I wish it did :(, but orig.gz was still referenced in my dsc :/23:17
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: dsc ofcourse, but changes?23:18
qwerty12_N800never checked there, but i cant imagine the importor still complaining then23:19
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Stskeepswe'll see :)23:19
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GeneralAntillesDamn you, qwerty12.23:20
kaieHello. How can I start the email app from the terminal? (latest n810 OS). Because it crashes immediately after I start from the mnu23:20
kaieI've plenty of free memory23:20
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kaieMeiz_n810, thanks for this hint, when I try to run modest, nothing happens, no output, modest command keeps being active.23:25
kaiewhen I ctrl-c it, and run ps xf|grep -i modest, nothing is listed23:26
opengeekv2there are some dependencies that could not be resolved i'm doing a dpkg -i of the second package with extras-devel23:26
Jake42-2how may I install scratchbox on ubuntu?23:26
Stskeepsopengeekv2: apt-get install e2fsprogs zenity gnutar23:26
Meiz_n810Jake42-2: i think23:26
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Jake42-2SDK ?23:32
* RST38h feels deja vu23:33
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FirebirdHello, Does maemo have any system-specific gcc macros to tell it apart from a compiler on a desktop system?23:40
kaieeven after a restart, running "modest" simply stalls. which is a different behavior than running mail from the menu. I conclude I need a different command to start it, any ideas?23:46
chaoyii guess you need to send a dbus event to modest?23:49
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kaiegoogle helped me. "modest showui"23:51
kaiethat gives me "segmentation fault" :-/23:51
kaiebut it's indeed the same behavior than running from menu. email window shows up for a second, then goes away23:52
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Stskeepsmm, modest is a bit of a troubled child at times23:53
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Stskeepswb b-man23:55
Stskeepsb-man: found whatever kills HAL23:55
b-manhello, Stskeeps23:55
Stskeepscompiling a version atm for mer23:55
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Stskeepswb qwerty12_N80023:56
qwerty12_N800hi Stskeeps23:56
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: sorry about the broken repository software btw, best i have atm :P23:56
b-manhi qwerty12_N80023:56
qwerty12_N800Providing hald-addon-bme is installed, apt-getting advanced-power should just work23:57
* johnx wakes up, starts hacking23:57
qwerty12_N800hi b-man23:57
* timeless pokes someone23:57
johnxgang's all here :)23:57
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, np, I was just annoyed & apologise for taking it out on your work :)23:57
timelesscan someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff23:58
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qwerty12_N800hi johnx23:58
Stskeepstimeless: i think we have !!Stuff in mer still23:58
Stskeepsbloody annoying23:58
timelesssts: it's kinda amusing23:59
timelessi need to talk to someone tomorrow about it23:59
timelessi thought nokia paid for translations23:59
Stskeepstimeless: i feel like poking someone's eye out about 4001, personally23:59
timelessso the fact that diablo would have shipped w/ those...23:59
timeless!! is by definition not a translation23:59

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