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| b-man | Johnx; agreed. :) | 00:03 |
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| Vulcanis | Hrm, johnx: Do you think they'll release anything before mayish? | 00:16 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody else notice notifications appear in the top left first before moving down in fullscreen? | 00:31 |
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| Jaffa | Yup | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: sometimes I've seen them stay up in the top /right/ | 00:35 |
| GAN800 | Weird stuff. Obnoxious, too, wuth | 00:35 |
| GAN800 | with the terrible redraw rates. | 00:35 |
| RST38h | Yep. | 00:36 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to drag in some maemo connectivity packages to see how much blows up. | 00:43 | |
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| * andre___ has wasted way too much time to build fremantle sdk pre alpha on fedora it seems. sigh... | 00:46 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, it's a bit of a uphill battle on non-debian systems | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | switch to a deb based distro and you'll thank yourself for it wrt to the sdk :p | 00:47 |
| Vulcanis | Ubuntu = yay | 00:49 |
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| andre___ | well, i installed now ubuntu and the sdk on another machine and it works | 00:50 |
| andre___ | but... hmm. i would have loved to avoid this :-P | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm currently installing osso-connectivity-ui-statusbar .. :> | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | (read: i'm going to hell) | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | say hi to Steve | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, if it works, i promise to upload an jffs2 image & initfs for mer :p | 00:57 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wonders if "this can be done in a community edition" will become the defacto excuse for nokia not willing to do something... | 01:01 | |
| Stskeeps | if they are willing to enable it, i'm in | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:02 |
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| * b-man starts aimlessly browsing google trying to find a fix for the virtual keyboard in ubuntu :p | 01:04 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-4.png | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | still a problem with icd though | 01:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | shitfuck | 01:05 |
| b-man | lol | 01:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i *really* don't want to disable wpa on my router or fuck around with usbnet tbh | 01:06 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i don't get what the issue is with usbnet though | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'm lazy and can't be arsed trying to get internet to work & I'm using the rather short usb cable supplied by nokia.. | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: editing /etc/network/interfaces should work fine for WPA. | 01:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, is wpasupplicant installed by default? | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - i think | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to check | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | will do tomorrow :), expect me to exhaust your builder btw :p | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | fair enouh | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | gh | 01:09 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if you get bored, make a transitional package for base64 (depend on coreutils) | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be amazed how much depends on it.. | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll be installing mer on my sd card anyway, I killed my sd boot by installing devscripts... :p | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, sure | 01:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Didn't know coreutils had base64 in it :> | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | i found out when dpkg complained | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 01:15 |
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| Stskeeps | cos of pinning "just" adding nokia updates repository isn't bad :P | 01:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | out of question, have you ever thought about applying the tablet identification patch to apt? :p | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | why should i? it runs over http :P | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | and apt supports auth, it seems | 01:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I know, it just keeps you a little safer wrt to legalities | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 01:26 |
| alterego | Anyone know how to broadcast DVB-T video to an N810 over wireless? | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | this is my own personal experimentation anyway | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: VLC? :P | 01:26 |
| alterego | Hmmm, | 01:27 |
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| pupnik_ | alterego, knots can do it | 01:27 |
| pupnik_ | or rather, vlc | 01:28 |
| alterego | I was thinking that pupnik_ | 01:28 |
| alterego | Just wondering how well it'd work. | 01:28 |
| * Jaffa has used a little wrapper and mplayer on the tablet | 01:28 | |
| pupnik_ | solmumaha knows | 01:28 |
| alterego | Will mplayer read from an RTP stream? | 01:28 |
| pupnik_ | dunno about channel changing from the tablet | 01:28 |
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| * Jaffa hasn't used knots in anger due to packaging issues of the VLC version it required originally | 01:28 | |
| Jaffa | alterego: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/vlcstream.txt | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | Lots of it commented out as originally it did multicast and stuff, which is a little bit like overkill | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, what about now being on intrepid? (well, I assume that you are :)) | 01:30 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: my always-on home box only *just* got upgraded to gutsy. From dapper. | 01:30 |
| pupnik_ | Jaffa: i have not been able to get a food ffmpeg + vlc compiled here yet | 01:31 |
| alterego | Jaffa: what would the URL I supply to mplayer be? | 01:31 |
| pupnik_ | s/food/good | 01:31 |
| pupnik_ | bbl food | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, heh, I see what you mean then with vlc. I had trouble on hardy using newer vlc :/ | 01:32 |
| Jaffa | alterego: mplayer http://192.168.1.5:8191 | 01:32 |
| alterego | Cool, just checking ;) | 01:32 |
| alterego | Jaffa: thanks, that script looks awesome ;) | 01:32 |
| Jaffa | alterego: you might need to change the last line of the script to change the IP to the IP address of your server/box - and choose a port you like :) | 01:32 |
| alterego | Yes, I was going to do that ;) | 01:32 |
| * Jaffa used it to watch BBC One's US election night coverage from bed, since the online streaming version they did was Flash based. | 01:33 | |
| Jaffa | Worked very well; it's just a shame David Dimbleby was so boring. | 01:33 |
| alterego | Hah, I want to watch serenity and I can't be arsed to sit at my desk ;) | 01:34 |
| * Jaffa should go to bed - early start in the morning. | 01:36 | |
| Jaffa | ...and big day (touch wood) | 01:36 |
| Jaffa | Jaffa Jr #2 should be being extracted | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | good luck! | 01:36 |
| Jaffa | ta | 01:37 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 01:37 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, UIQ filed for bankruptcy | 01:41 |
| alterego | Yes, I read that. | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yay | 01:41 |
| alterego | That leaves S60 :/ | 01:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | uiq was losing badly when you compared it next to s60 (albeit nokia producing more s60 phones than se/motorola producing uiq phones probably helped...) | 01:42 |
| alterego | Yes, Nokia devoted themselves to S60, where as SE really seemed to just stick it in random models. | 01:43 |
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| alterego | If they'd backed it more it would have been more successful. The PXXX series were pretty damn neat. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was looking at phones today in Best Buy. They've moved on from just plain printed screens to holographic screens that give you a different screenshot when you twist and turn it. :roll: | 01:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, they were nothing special when compared to nokia's range of phones. my p1 wouldn't even connect to my router with wpa on but the n80 managed fine | 01:47 |
| alterego | When the P800 came out it was a damn sight nicer than the 7650 .. | 01:47 |
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| alterego | Nice, I've got it streaming to my tablet! :D | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is it stuttery as shit? :) | 01:49 |
| alterego | Screwed up the aspect ratio though. | 01:49 |
| alterego | No, it's working pretty well. | 01:49 |
| alterego | It's been scaled. | 01:49 |
| alterego | Maybe it's just the N810's screen, I can deal with it though. | 01:50 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 01:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wicked, now if only my computer stayed on longer... | 01:50 |
| alterego | :) | 01:50 |
| alterego | I'm going to try and get this working on the embedded PC104 board I have. | 01:50 |
| alterego | That'd be neat. A dedicated DVB->Network server. | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | indeed :) | 01:51 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I'm gonna go to bed and watch this :) | 01:52 |
| alterego | g'night. | 01:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Quim keeps talking about the Community Edition as the way forward, but I wonder when we'll actually see support from Nokia. :\ | 02:36 |
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| ThatOneGuy | does anyone know how to fix 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build: no such file or directory. Stop.' ? | 03:26 |
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| ScreaminIke | Having problems pairing (using?) My n810 with a bluetooth keyboard | 05:02 |
| ScreaminIke | It will not pair, now, bbut that wasn't the start of my troubles.... | 05:03 |
| ScreaminIke | Kbd: rocketfish | 05:03 |
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| ScreaminIke | Basically, it has been reading the windows/apple key as pressed, repeatedly, even when it is not | 05:04 |
| ScreaminIke | This is making pairing impossible | 05:04 |
| ScreaminIke | Suggestions? | 05:04 |
| tank-man | is the key pressed down? | 05:05 |
| tank-man | spilled coke? | 05:05 |
| ScreaminIke | No coke.... | 05:05 |
| ScreaminIke | No keypressing | 05:05 |
| ScreaminIke | It has frozen once or twicw in my car...... | 05:06 |
| ScreaminIke | But it has functioned fine.... | 05:06 |
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| ScreaminIke | Fux | 05:07 |
| ScreaminIke | It may be going back to bestbuy | 05:08 |
| ScreaminIke | God, i love their warranty | 05:08 |
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| MaceN800 | heh | 06:50 |
| MaceN800 | i'm watching hackrs | 06:50 |
| MaceN800 | hackers | 06:50 |
| MaceN800 | classic | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | watch hackers | 06:54 |
| Vulcanis | on an n770 | 06:54 |
| Vulcanis | VNCing to an n800 | 06:54 |
| Vulcanis | Also, first Hackers? | 06:54 |
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| MiconFrink | anyone here a crosstool-ng expert? | 07:17 |
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| MiconFrink | anyone can help with cross compile advise? | 07:38 |
| MaceN800 | hm | 07:47 |
| MiconFrink | guess not | 07:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Sorry, just woken up and fucking inpuut method sent return to topic bar | 08:03 |
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| MiconFrink1 | heh | 08:04 |
| MiconFrink1 | qwerty12_N800: you got crosstool experience? | 08:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | MiconFrink1, a bit | 08:05 |
| Khertan | huhu here temp is -14°C | 08:05 |
| Khertan | driving will be funny | 08:05 |
| Khertan | specially with my wheel which look like more and more slick | 08:06 |
| MiconFrink1 | I'm trying to put together a system that has to cross compile on both arm and x86-64 | 08:07 |
| MiconFrink1 | I'm wanting to do a completely scrited autobuild | 08:07 |
| MiconFrink1 | tried crosstool but I'm getting stuck | 08:07 |
| MiconFrink1 | I've not really messed with crosscompiles before | 08:08 |
| MiconFrink1 | Khertan: that sounds like *beautiful weather* -) | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:09 |
| samd | sup | 10:11 |
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| RST38h | ehlo | 10:13 |
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| samd | i love my n810 | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:16 |
| RST38h | in what pose? | 10:16 |
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| samd | xD | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm having a hard time convincing my body it's morning and i should actually wake up :P | 10:21 |
| samd | lol, what time u have there? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | 9:22am | 10:23 |
| samd | 2:23am from mexico | 10:23 |
| samd | where are you? | 10:23 |
| samd | europe? | 10:23 |
| * RST38h is being attacked by rabid S90 users | 10:23 | |
| RST38h | Suggested the first two to just dump their 7710s and buy NITs, but these zombies keep coming | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:24 |
| samd | lol | 10:24 |
| samd | where u guys from? | 10:25 |
| samd | europe? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | .dk, but it doesnt matter | 10:25 |
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| samd | .dk? | 10:26 |
| hachi | hmmm, my attempt at a maemo build space isn't working | 10:26 |
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| pupnik_ | good morning #maemo | 10:28 |
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| hachi | http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Platform_Development/index.html | 10:31 |
| hachi | this document | 10:31 |
| hachi | does anyone know if I can download the examples somewhere? | 10:31 |
| hachi | the majority of it is example text | 10:31 |
| cars__ | good morning, pupnik_ | 10:35 |
| MaceN800 | blah | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | morn MaceN800 | 10:36 |
| MaceN800 | how are things going sts | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | waking up | 10:37 |
| MaceN800 | saturday when my son leaves to stay with his mother... i'm going to start working on gettin android and mer on my n800 | 10:37 |
| MaceN800 | how is mer coming along? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | decently | 10:37 |
| MaceN800 | it is maemo right? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, hildon like desktop | 10:37 |
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| MaceN800 | so it's not actually hildon? | 10:38 |
| MaceN800 | define hildon like :) | 10:38 |
| MaceN800 | are there other enviroments for it yet? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | it is hildon-desktop components, hildon theme plankton, but currently lacks applications in the base image beyond screenshot taker, advanced backlight, load applet | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | .. cos we didn't compile them just yet | 10:39 |
| solmumaha | morning | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/ <- pics from a bit of apt-getting | 10:39 |
| RST38h | How long until it is going to reach official Maemo in functionality | 10:40 |
| RST38h | ? | 10:40 |
| MaceN800 | i see | 10:40 |
| MaceN800 | you use that box i made sts? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: not yet, got builder up and running sanely so | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: depends on what functionality is defined as :P | 10:41 |
| MaceN800 | ah ok. just let me know if you have problems with it | 10:41 |
| MaceN800 | it should be pretty stable.. and i'll work on getting it to move a little quicker | 10:41 |
| MaceN800 | if it doesn't i'll build you a dedicated box | 10:41 |
| MaceN800 | so mer is pretty immature then huh? | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | on the contrary really | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | sdk works, it builds many maemo apps already | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | and they run without issue in mer | 10:43 |
| MaceN800 | i see | 10:43 |
| MaceN800 | are you going to integrate cups into mer? | 10:43 |
| MaceN800 | that would be awesome | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | if anyone wanted to apt-get it, it probably would be possible | 10:43 |
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| MaceN800 | hm.. some day i should try getting the cross compiling working and see about getting a base kde going | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably just apt-get it in mer :P | 10:44 |
| MaceN800 | pb made a huge tarball ver with a million programs | 10:44 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 10:44 |
| MaceN800 | that would be awesome | 10:44 |
| MaceN800 | pb made a working kde but .. | 10:44 |
| MaceN800 | it has a lot of unnecessary things in the install | 10:45 |
| MaceN800 | would have been better to start with a base and allow users to choose which apps to install | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | we have basically seperated hildon into being a X session like any other | 10:45 |
| MaceN800 | i see | 10:45 |
| MaceN800 | what about the user layout? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 10:46 |
| MaceN800 | does it come with only user by default like maemo? | 10:46 |
| MaceN800 | or does it use a normal user scheme? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | we currently have 'user' but johnx is doing the first boot wizard atm | 10:46 |
| MaceN800 | no shit huh? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | where it asks for username, real name, timezone, etc | 10:47 |
| MaceN800 | wow that's awesome | 10:47 |
| hachi | are the maemo training materials available in some other format? I'm seeing hints that you can 'generate' it or something | 10:47 |
| MaceN800 | do you have to flash it with a win app? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: well it's a tar.gz right now, but we plan to be able to flash jffs2 images | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12 did that last night without problems, soo | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | wow | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | i'll start playing with it soon | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | on saturday i'll start | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | can i apt get dev tools? | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: problem functionality is really the icd, icons, dsp blobs | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: yeah | 10:48 |
| MaceN800 | to build on the n800 | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | you'd want to get scratchbox mer sdk instead though | 10:49 |
| RST38h | Sts: Can't these be taken from Maemo? | 10:49 |
| MaceN800 | i see | 10:49 |
| MaceN800 | figured it would be interesting to build on the n800 itself | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i tried some of those things yesterday | 10:49 |
| MaceN800 | might go slow as shit but i'm patient and wouldn't need to cross compile | 10:49 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: but that requires some degree of procedure with nokia about being able to redistribute :) | 10:50 |
| hachi | anyone know of dbus examples that aren't in html format? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | / distribute | 10:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: Package them separately and distribute them as "non-free-nokia-binaries" | 10:50 |
| hachi | I'd love to try example code to see what it does | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, except for chicken-and-egg problem, its kinda difficult to grab those binaries without icd, from user friendly point of view :P | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 10:51 |
| MaceN800 | no offense.. but they should open it up anyways if they are going to ditch the hardware soon | 10:51 |
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| MaceN800 | android is a very good portable OS | 10:52 |
| MaceN800 | G1 has better hardware than n8x0 and if they stick with hildon in maemo 5 they are going | 10:52 |
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| MaceN800 | to lose :) | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: i have pretty good hope for the new hildon though | 10:53 |
| MaceN800 | i hope so.. it seems rather dated compared to using my G1 | 10:53 |
| MaceN800 | in a way it kind of remidns me of win 3.11 heh | 10:53 |
| MaceN800 | isn't the new maemo going to use qt? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | and they're definately sticking with hildon, nothing wrong with the technology | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's going to support it | 10:54 |
| MaceN800 | hildon seems lacking | 10:54 |
| MaceN800 | it is not as pretty as android | 10:54 |
| hachi | should I be using some other documentation source? I'm finding an awful lot of choices and I don't know if they're right | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: it's a matter of theming, heh | 10:54 |
| hachi | or wrong, or not good starting points or anything | 10:54 |
| MaceN800 | Stskeeps, i dunno about that. symbian has tons of themes and it doesn't come close as looking as nice as android | 10:54 |
| MaceN800 | i'm not saying that hildon is bad.. but if they stick with it.. they will fall behind | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | *shrug* :) | 10:55 |
| MaceN800 | haha | 10:55 |
| MaceN800 | i have high hopes for the n800 android | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not inclined to agree or disagree. i disagree with some things in android and i disagree with some things in hildon | 10:56 |
| hachi | is there another channel for programming discussion? | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: yeah, except they're hurting as much as other open source things on tablets, in the fact they won't be able to get stuff like sound, etc going | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: most of your questions are very googable :P | 10:56 |
| hachi | I started with google | 10:57 |
| MaceN800 | Stskeeps, yeah i noticed | 10:57 |
| MaceN800 | no bluetooth either | 10:57 |
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| hachi | my first question, where can I download the code on this page in another format | 10:57 |
| hachi | isn't very googlable, since google sent me to that page in the first place | 10:57 |
| MaceN800 | then again.. android bt stack sucks on a g1 | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's in the SDK probably, hachi | 10:57 |
| MaceN800 | right now android only supports an earpiece | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | apt-gettable | 10:57 |
| hachi | it is? I don't see this documented at all | 10:57 |
| MaceN800 | sts.. does mer start hildon? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: and i'm all for the versality of the devices, which means maemo/mer/android etc should be able to coexist. i should be able to run a QT application if i want to and i have space | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, initially | 10:59 |
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| hachi | apt-cache search doesn't show it in my build environment | 10:59 |
| MaceN800 | Stskeeps, true | 10:59 |
| MaceN800 | know.. now that i think about it | 10:59 |
| MaceN800 | isn't android just a linux kernel ? | 11:00 |
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| MaceN800 | what do they use for the UI? X? | 11:00 |
| MaceN800 | or do they use something new? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | android is kinda specialized linux kernel, framebuffer UI, and a "java" like VM, dalvik | 11:00 |
| AstralSt | meh, how specialized? :P | 11:00 |
| MaceN800 | fb UI? | 11:01 |
| MaceN800 | with accel 3D? | 11:01 |
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| AstralSt | framebuffer UI and not directfb? Google wasted a lot of time apparently | 11:01 |
| AstralSt | why not? acceleration can be done there, by rendering to texture or such | 11:01 |
| hachi | `apt-cache search dbus`, `apt-cache search training`, `apt-cache search example` | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: no accel 3d, think it's software rendering really | 11:01 |
| hachi | all prefixed with sb2 of course | 11:02 |
| MaceN800 | Stskeeps, i don't knjow. it looks hw | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: it's a linux machine deep down, you can get any kind of information non-specific to that | 11:02 |
| MaceN800 | looks as good as my n95 | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: yeah, but they don't have 3d accel, especially not when even maemo doesn't have it | 11:02 |
| hachi | what? | 11:02 |
| hachi | yes, I'm sure I can dig into how it works | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: as in, if you want dbus examples, you can look everywhere for them | 11:02 |
| hachi | I'm looking for example dbus code though | 11:03 |
| hachi | I found some | 11:03 |
| hachi | http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Platform_Development/APPENDIX_D_Source_code_for_the_GLibDBus_synchronous_example.html#glibdbussynccommondefsh | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter if it's for ubuntu or for maemo | 11:03 |
| hachi | here | 11:03 |
| hachi | I just want them not in 'html' | 11:03 |
| hachi | perhaps as source code files | 11:03 |
| hachi | you said they were apt-gettable | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://mirror.engineeringlinux.org/maemo4.x_training_v1.3/files/maemo_Platform_Development/ | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but i'm not exactly an authority am i? | 11:04 |
| hachi | I don't even see that link anywhere | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | (and i found that by googling for glib-dbus-sync) | 11:04 |
| hachi | how did oyu find that? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | you could -probably- just as well have copy-and-pasted | 11:05 |
| hachi | I tried to copy and paste | 11:05 |
| MaceN800 | CPU: The MSM7201A is a dual-core CPU/GPU from Qualcomm and contains many built in features including 3G and a GPU capable of up to 4 million triangles/sec. It has hardware acceleration for Java,[10] but this does not accelerate execution of Android applications, as they are targeted to the Dalvik VM, not the Java VM. | 11:05 |
| hachi | it blasted my xterm buffer or something | 11:05 |
| MaceN800 | 4 Mt/s | 11:05 |
| hachi | I'm puzzling over why I have to use a 3rd party search engine to search for things on the same site | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | MaceN800: fair enough, i was speaking on n800 and android | 11:05 |
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| hachi | but thank you | 11:05 |
| MaceN800 | oh | 11:05 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 11:05 |
| MaceN800 | my bad | 11:06 |
| MaceN800 | i was talking about the g1 | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/ | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | look in bottom | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | but that's 404, lovely | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: open a bug for broken documentation | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | isn't supposed to be like that | 11:07 |
| MaceN800 | west wing cracks me up | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | mm, good series | 11:07 |
| MaceN800 | yeah, good balance of comedy and drama | 11:08 |
| MaceN800 | 'aren't the people going to think i'm soft on turkeys' | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | MaceN800: besides that, nokia probably balanced speed & power consumption over flashiness, cos there was no access to 3d accel | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | there's now though | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | (in rx-51) | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | and android reinvented API so they're not backwards compatible :P | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | which makes things easier, but also cuts off a lot of existing good apps | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | / libraries | 11:11 |
| hachi | yow | 11:12 |
| hachi | report a bug | 11:12 |
| hachi | and it gets sent to 4 people and one mailing list? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | hachi: yeah, the people responsible for this area | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, the one you just reported it for | 11:13 |
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| hachi | /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2005q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy' | 11:15 |
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| hachi | I don't even know how to parse that error... make didn't give me a commandline it was executing | 11:16 |
| hachi | and the previous command is just 'cc' | 11:16 |
| hachi | no -Qy option I can see anywhere | 11:16 |
| AstralSt | your toolchain is broken | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | what SDK version are you using? | 11:16 |
| AstralSt | :) | 11:16 |
| hachi | I dunno, one that I built yesterday according to... | 11:16 |
| hachi | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-debian.html | 11:16 |
| hachi | that doc | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | report a bug, but normal people use scratchbox 1 until sb2 is stable :P | 11:17 |
| hachi | why does the doc say to use sb2! | 11:17 |
| hachi | *headdesk* | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't | 11:17 |
| hachi | how do I know which docs to follow? | 11:17 |
| hachi | [Host] $ sb2 -eR dpkg -i maemopad_2.4_armel.deb | 11:17 |
| hachi | sb2 | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/index.html specifically talks of sb | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | 1 | 11:18 |
| hachi | I used google to get that doc yesterday | 11:19 |
| hachi | I'm not sure how to find docs that aren't too new or too old without asking | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org -> development -> training | 11:20 |
| hachi | so | 11:20 |
| hachi | I built a machine for this | 11:20 |
| hachi | should I just blow it away and start again? | 11:20 |
| hachi | or do you think (I can't hold you to this) that it will coexist okay | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | should cooexist fine :P | 11:24 |
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| hachi | blah | 12:23 |
| hachi | ran out of disk space | 12:23 |
| hachi | the installer script told me to delete /scratchbox | 12:24 |
| hachi | and then dpkg throws a fit because I deleted /scratchbox the next time I run it | 12:24 |
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| alterego | Is there an X-Fade around anywhere? | 13:11 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: Ehm yep ;) | 13:25 |
| alterego | Can you get me access to extras? :) | 13:25 |
| alterego | I've been told on several occasions to bug you :P | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | alterego: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request | 13:25 |
| alterego | Already done that .. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | You can request access there.. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Hmm, when? :) | 13:26 |
| alterego | Haven't had an answer. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | I must have missed that.. | 13:26 |
| alterego | Boxing day | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | heh, well I shouldn't have missed that.. | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Let's see. | 13:26 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, yeah that is when our mail broke.. | 13:28 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:28 |
| alterego | :)) | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | Irritation.. | 13:28 |
| t_s_o | quite the timing | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | SpamAssassin started to reject every mail ;) | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | Lame.. | 13:28 |
| alterego | Eesh. That sucks | 13:28 |
| t_s_o | hmm, maybe it should change name to mailassassin? | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | alterego: What is your garage user ame? | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | *name | 13:29 |
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| alterego | X-Fade: tswindell | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | Ah yeah, the ruby guy. | 13:30 |
| alterego | :P | 13:30 |
| alterego | "The ruby guy" ^_^ | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | You should receive an invitation in your mail shortly.. | 13:30 |
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| X-Fade | As in now.. | 13:30 |
| alterego | :) | 13:30 |
| alterego | woo! :) | 13:31 |
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| alterego | So I just follow those instructions and I should be all setup? Can't really do it right now as I'm at work but will get on it this evening. | 13:32 |
| johnx | oh man, we're back to the days of "computer in a keyboard:" http://www.gottabemobile.com/2009/01/07/eeepc-keyboard/ | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: Yes, you should now be able to setup things yourself. | 13:32 |
| alterego | johnx: that's great .. As it's the most likely piece of equipment I'll spill liquid on .. | 13:32 |
| alterego | X-Fade: thank you very much :) | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | alterego: https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | That will tell you everything, I hope.. | 13:33 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've got all the docs bookmarkd :) | 13:33 |
| johnx | alterego, yeah, I was starting to get used to the "computer in a monitor." those actually make sense to me, but I'm sure asus will sell a million | 13:33 |
| alterego | Well, if not I'll make sure I update the pages ;) | 13:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: pymaemo is interesting on mer. | 13:33 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: define "interesting" please :) | 13:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, looking at lots of thing in ubuntu that would be interesting. I'm not making much forward progress with the timezone select, sadly | 13:34 |
| johnx | good point: is this "good" interesting or "special" interesting | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | "special" | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | for work im regenerating pygtk atm :P | 13:35 |
| alterego | X-Fade: just a comment on the invitation email. Maybe instead of using my username it should use my real name stored in the profile :) | 13:37 |
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| Stskeeps | its just cos pymaemo is quite out of touch with how packages are named in lets say ubuntu, so | 13:38 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: Yeah, that is an option. Although I think that is what gforge does by default. | 13:40 |
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| alterego | Ah, okay. | 13:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: What's url for Merecho theme? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4996/MerEcho.deb | 13:50 |
| johnx | woo! | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | woo? | 13:50 |
| johnx | MerEcho theme | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah, old actually | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | he's finishing something up this week | 13:51 |
| johnx | ah, might as well wait then | 13:51 |
| johnx | ... integrating zenity into other people's bash scripts is somewhat painful and also...holy gods there are more timezones in the US than I knew about | 13:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:53 |
| johnx | http://pastebin.ca/1302673 | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | you start to understand why nokia has the world map thing? ;) | 13:54 |
| johnx | I'm still not convinced a two step list will be much slower really, it's just punctuation that's tripping me up :/ | 13:55 |
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| johnx | countries are allowed to have apostrophes in them, a horrible mistake that needs to be rectified post-haste | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:56 |
| johnx | maemo's first boot wizard-thing is closed, right? | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not 100% on that | 14:01 |
| * aquatix is geeking out with LCARS Okuda | 14:01 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i -think- so :P | 14:01 |
| johnx | aquatix, try not to go blind. those colors are damaging | 14:01 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, seems like the kind of thing that would be...I don't even know the package name or executable name though... | 14:01 |
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| aquatix | johnx: it already took its toll: i actually like it | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix is going insane. :P | 14:06 |
| johnx | aquatix, ah, the okuda theme is the blue-ish colors, right? not the bright painful off-yellow? | 14:06 |
| aquatix | it's nice and clean | 14:06 |
| aquatix | johnx: yep | 14:06 |
| aquatix | a lot better than those older ones imho | 14:06 |
| aquatix | this is the new one from september last year | 14:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: theme wants to write something it home dir... | 14:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | now it tries to find /home/user | 14:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have only /home/roope | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well then | 14:08 |
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| soul9 | hi | 14:13 |
| soul9 | just a quick question, is it true that the n810 can't connect to the GSM network? | 14:13 |
| soul9 | this is what i read in a few reviews | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | it can connect through a bluetooth cellphone. Next nokia device will have 3g/HSDPA | 14:14 |
| soul9 | ok, so it's true | 14:15 |
| soul9 | it's not really a GSM phone | 14:15 |
| johnx | exactly. It's a internet tablet, not a phone | 14:15 |
| soul9 | okay | 14:15 |
| soul9 | sorry to bother | 14:16 |
| johnx | no worries :) | 14:16 |
| johnx | It's closer to MID or UMPC than a phone anyways | 14:16 |
| soul9 | ueah | 14:16 |
| soul9 | still, i need a phone, so if it does everything but that, that's not really that good... :-( | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | sure it is. :) | 14:16 |
| soul9 | darn, that's a bummer | 14:16 |
| * Stskeeps hardly uses his phone these days | 14:16 | |
| soul9 | thank god they refuzed my payment :-D | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | except for bluetooth tethering | 14:17 |
| johnx | yeah, take this opportunity to do a little more reasearch :) | 14:17 |
| soul9 | hehe | 14:17 |
| soul9 | believe me i did the research, i just wouldn't have dreamt it wouldn't have a SIM place | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't, but next device will | 14:18 |
| soul9 | well, /me off the the openmoko boutique :-D | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | and i wouldn't touch a openmoko personally | 14:18 |
| johnx | soul9, check out the new android phones getting announced at CES too :) | 14:18 |
| soul9 | Stskeeps: why's that? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: actually tried one while i was in dublin | 14:19 |
| * aquatix likes the n810 a lot better than the openmoko | 14:19 | |
| johnx | the software isn't quite there yet... | 14:19 |
| soul9 | yeah, i know | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: it's slow, and software is quite unstable | 14:19 |
| soul9 | _but_ it's a phone | 14:19 |
| aquatix | granted, i didn't use the openmoko personally | 14:19 |
| soul9 | slow? | 14:19 |
| aquatix | but i tried and read enough stories | 14:19 |
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| soul9 | Stskeeps: when did you try it? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: a couple of months ago | 14:19 |
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| soul9 | hmm | 14:19 |
| soul9 | god, so there is nothing like the iphon currently lol | 14:20 |
| soul9 | great, now what :-( | 14:20 |
| soul9 | well, anywho, i do ned a phone, might as well get a freerunner. | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | just get a cheap 3g bluetooth phone and an internet tablet | 14:20 |
| soul9 | qtopia is kinda stable i thing | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | or wait for the rx-51 to come out | 14:20 |
| soul9 | yeah, that's gonna cost a great deal of money though | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | (which still isn't a phone, .. we think) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but on the other hand you get a machine that can be hacked to bits :) | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | no need for unlock, jailbreak, etc | 14:21 |
| johnx | or get an unlocked HTC G1 | 14:21 |
| soul9 | does that have windows mobile? :-D | 14:21 |
| soul9 | htc's tend to use windows | 14:21 |
| soul9 | and it's not open eithre | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | android, when "unlocked" :P | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | +open | 14:22 |
| soul9 | yeah | 14:22 |
| johnx | the G1 is one of the Android phones | 14:22 |
| soul9 | god darn it, i was so into the n810 | 14:22 |
| johnx | I still say N800/N810 + cheap 3G phone | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i wouldn't want to put the tablet to my ear anyway | 14:23 |
| johnx | that way you can keep the phone stable and reliable and hack on the tablet all you want | 14:23 |
| soul9 | i don't have enough oney for that | 14:23 |
| soul9 | i just have enough for the n810 | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: got an existing phone with data plan? | 14:23 |
| johnx | what price would you pay for the N810? | 14:23 |
| soul9 | no | 14:23 |
| soul9 | i don't have a phone | 14:23 |
| soul9 | otherwise i wouldn't complain about the n810 not being gsm enabled | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | got wimax in your town? :P | 14:24 |
| soul9 | heheh | 14:24 |
| RST38h | samsung u100 | 14:24 |
| johnx | or get a cheap phone *first* then get a tablet after saving some money | 14:24 |
| soul9 | heh | 14:24 |
| soul9 | yeah | 14:24 |
| RST38h | 7mm thick | 14:24 |
| johnx | but at this point a tablet is probably just as much of a phone as a freerunner is | 14:25 |
| soul9 | hahaha | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: i wish johnx was kidding.. | 14:26 |
| johnx | anyways, N800+3G phone is probably close to N810 alone | 14:26 |
| soul9 | yeah, i hear the moko can put calls only from the cmdline for now | 14:26 |
| RST38h | hehehe | 14:26 |
| johnx | and a "two device" system works well for a lot of reasons | 14:26 |
| johnx | commandline isn't that bad unless you don't have a keyboard...oh wait | 14:26 |
| soul9 | heheh | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can always go for the strategy of buying phone + tablet, start being a developer, get famous, and get developer rebate for rx-51 | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:26 |
| soul9 | :-D | 14:27 |
| johnx | that's my plan :) | 14:27 |
| johnx | though this looks like a neat solution too: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/06/hands-on-with-novatels-mifi-3g-hotspot/ | 14:27 |
| johnx | wonder how much it will cost... | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | i thought about knitting it into my jacket | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:28 |
| RST38h | one can treat n810+phone s a pocket version of the desk phone | 14:28 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, you need more pockets... | 14:28 |
| RST38h | you have got the phone and the handset | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | did anyone figure out how to use nokia n800 as a phone headset yet? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | (not sure why anyone would) | 14:29 |
| RST38h | why would you | 14:30 |
| johnx | ah, making it act like a BT headset? | 14:30 |
| Stslaptop | yeah | 14:30 |
| Stslaptop | cos i often run around with my headset on my n800 for music purposes anyway | 14:30 |
| Stslaptop | and i would be happy having my phone just be a dongle | 14:30 |
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| soul9 | that's pretty easy | 14:31 |
| soul9 | if it uses the bluez linux bluetooth stack | 14:31 |
| aquatix | soul9: the n810 is a lot more polished and works beautifully with my bt-enabled phone | 14:31 |
| johnx | soul9, sometimes things in embedded linux are ... different | 14:31 |
| soul9 | yeah, i really aim for the 810 | 14:31 |
| soul9 | sometimes, things on proprietary platforms are....different | 14:32 |
| johnx | so to respond: no it's not as easy as you think it is | 14:32 |
| soul9 | yeah, since the hw isn't open :-D | 14:32 |
| soul9 | *but* at least it works | 14:33 |
| soul9 | unlike the freerunner :-D | 14:33 |
| Stslaptop | soul9: you did see internettablettalk.com/forums ? | 14:33 |
| johnx | *sigh* no it's not really related to hte hw not being "open" | 14:33 |
| Stslaptop | in your research | 14:33 |
| soul9 | johnx: okay, i admint i dunno | 14:34 |
| soul9 | admit* | 14:34 |
| soul9 | just saying.. | 14:34 |
| soul9 | Stslaptop: nope | 14:34 |
| soul9 | checking now | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | you should try to browse through it | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | and see what amazing things people do with these devices | 14:34 |
| soul9 | yeah, i know, i can imagine | 14:34 |
| soul9 | i'm a developper too, you know, i've been following the moko's development since the project was announced | 14:35 |
| soul9 | and just when it's released and out, and i have enough € to purchase, i go and but a proprietary thing | 14:36 |
| soul9 | s/but/buy | 14:36 |
| johnx | which proprietary thing? | 14:36 |
| soul9 | anyways, thanks for the pointers | 14:36 |
| soul9 | n810 | 14:36 |
| Stslaptop | heh, it's a 80/20 rule for nokia tablets | 14:36 |
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| Stslaptop | 80% open source, 20% closed | 14:36 |
| johnx | soul9, but your order didn't go through, right? | 14:36 |
| Stslaptop | and the closed bits you can mostly get rid of | 14:36 |
| soul9 | the hardware is 100% closed | 14:36 |
| Stslaptop | eh | 14:36 |
| soul9 | johnx: heh, yeah | 14:37 |
| aquatix | soul9: i share your feeling, but still i like the n810 better | 14:37 |
| Stslaptop | you can flash any OS on it you want, soul9 | 14:37 |
| Stslaptop | (.. if it's linux) | 14:37 |
| johnx | soul9, no. it's not | 14:37 |
| soul9 | aquatix: actually, for now me too | 14:37 |
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| soul9 | johnx: oh? | 14:37 |
| johnx | soul9, there's a close source firmware for the wifi and bt (just like on the desktop), and some closed battery charging software...but that's about it | 14:38 |
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| Stslaptop | soul9: we have android, gentoo, debian, ubuntu on tablet as well :P | 14:38 |
| soul9 | oh, nice | 14:38 |
| aquatix | that's about the same as with the freerunner | 14:38 |
| soul9 | okay | 14:38 |
| soul9 | yes | 14:39 |
| Stslaptop | and Nokia is actively involved with the community | 14:39 |
| soul9 | yeah, then the hw is as open as on the freerunner | 14:39 |
| soul9 | okay, that's good to know too :-DS | 14:39 |
| Stslaptop | me and johnx and others are even working for supporting the next OS version on N8x0/770s | 14:39 |
| johnx | soul9, the situation has changed. Nokia released an open source wifi driver recently and peopler are working on it | 14:39 |
| soul9 | great, i'm not going to feel bad when i have my n810 in my pocket | 14:39 |
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| soul9 | i have an old sony ericcson i guess i could use | 14:39 |
| aquatix | Stslaptop: and just fyi, that rocks :) | 14:39 |
| soul9 | what a piece of sh*t tho | 14:39 |
| aquatix | Stslaptop: thought i'd share some kudos ;) | 14:39 |
| Stslaptop | if it has bluetooth and gprs, you're good to go | 14:40 |
| Stslaptop | (or edge) | 14:40 |
| Stslaptop | or even 3g | 14:40 |
| soul9 | yeah, it does have bluetooth and gprs | 14:40 |
| * aquatix loves his SE m600i - nokia n810 combo | 14:40 | |
| Stslaptop | then it's the perfect n810 companion | 14:40 |
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| soul9 | don't think it can do data transfer through bt tho | 14:40 |
| * Stslaptop has SE k610i - nokia n800 | 14:40 | |
| johnx | ah, sad. maybe someone has a hack for it | 14:40 |
| aquatix | soul9: flash a new firmware on it? | 14:40 |
| soul9 | err | 14:40 |
| soul9 | well, i dunno | 14:40 |
| aquatix | some world version | 14:40 |
| soul9 | i don't think i'd use gsm internet tho | 14:40 |
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| soul9 | there's enough open wifi hotspots around to ba allright | 14:41 |
| soul9 | s/ba/be | 14:41 |
| johnx | if it's not even edge...then yeah, might not be worth it | 14:41 |
| Stslaptop | except when you're in the polish mountains and you forgot to download iodine.. | 14:41 |
| soul9 | well, /me off to lunch, thanks for the info guys, and see y'all around | 14:41 |
| soul9 | Stslaptop: hahahah, yeah | 14:41 |
| johnx | soul9, yeah, read up on itt :) | 14:42 |
| Stslaptop | there's posts all the way back from 2005 or something :P | 14:42 |
| soul9 | then again, in the polish mountains you'd prolly need a satellite phone | 14:42 |
| Stslaptop | so plenty of stuff | 14:42 |
| soul9 | will do | 14:42 |
| Stslaptop | soul9: nah, wifi exists :P | 14:42 |
| soul9 | :-D | 14:42 |
| soul9 | satellite wifi? :-P | 14:42 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, heh, my SE W51S decided to lose signal last time I went hiking. wouldn't even do the GPS thing :/ | 14:42 |
| soul9 | my se w810i is cr*p | 14:43 |
| soul9 | the series has a design problem with the battery | 14:43 |
| soul9 | so the phone turns off all the time | 14:43 |
| Stslaptop | yeah, got same problem | 14:43 |
| Stslaptop | on my k610i | 14:43 |
| soul9 | heh | 14:43 |
| johnx | RST38h, hey, HP mini 1000 from $330. looks like my guess on price was high :) | 14:43 |
| soul9 | se suxxor, then, i guess heh | 14:43 |
| aquatix | Stslaptop: what's iodine again? | 14:44 |
| johnx | W51S works great :) | 14:44 |
| Stslaptop | aquatix: DNS tunneling | 14:44 |
| aquatix | ah right | 14:44 |
| * lcuk shivers | 14:44 | |
| lcuk | afternoon folks of the world | 14:44 |
| aquatix | hey lcuk | 14:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, did you see CES coverage? looks like convertible tablet netbooks are the new thing :) | 14:45 |
| * aquatix is happy; sending mail with claws-mail works for him again | 14:45 | |
| aquatix | somehow that libgnutls26 started working after a reboot | 14:45 |
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| aquatix | johnx: the asus t91? | 14:45 |
| Khertan_at_work | Hello ! | 14:45 |
| aquatix | hey Khertan_at_work | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | soul9: fair bit of warning, tablets are about as addictive as cocaine | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:46 |
| johnx | aquatix, and the other asus thing. plus the there's kojinsha and fujitsu | 14:46 |
| aquatix | johnx: i really like the looks of that asus htpc-keyboard-thing | 14:46 |
| Khertan_at_work | does sd card have problem on low temperature ? | 14:46 |
| aquatix | Khertan_at_work: define `low temperature' :) | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_at_work: did your SD slot start getting wet? :P | 14:46 |
| soul9 | hehehe | 14:46 |
| aquatix | Khertan_at_work: is it frozen stuck? ;) | 14:46 |
| johnx | Khertan, it shouldn't. should work fine until it's too cold for your battery to work :P | 14:46 |
| soul9 | Stskeeps: i bet, i know linux and foss is allready a lot for me :-D | 14:47 |
| Khertan_at_work | i ve just lost all my data contained in it ... and specially source code not saved | 14:47 |
| alterego | Ah, lunch time. | 14:47 |
| Khertan_at_work | temp was -19°C | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | ick | 14:47 |
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| Khertan_at_work | but internal chip say it was internally in the n810 12°C | 14:47 |
| johnx | aquatix, it's certainly a neat idea. wireless HDMI sounds very interesting | 14:47 |
| aquatix | Khertan_at_work: did you let it get used to higher temps already? | 14:47 |
| aquatix | johnx: yep | 14:47 |
| aquatix | johnx: really curious to the specs now :) | 14:48 |
| johnx | I'd prefer a beagle-based device I think in a nice solid case w/ a nice light bluetooth keyboard | 14:48 |
| Khertan_at_work | ... snifff ... i ve lost all my work since 3 weeks ... :( | 14:49 |
| alterego | If it had more connectivity I'd be more inclined. | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_at_work: which is why i learnt to back up :P | 14:49 |
| alterego | Khertan_at_work: O_O | 14:49 |
| johnx | Khertan, tried some type of FS recovery? | 14:50 |
| Khertan_at_work | stskeeps ... yep but don't make backup on an sdcard ... | 14:50 |
| Khertan_at_work | backup is corrupt | 14:50 |
| Khertan_at_work | and the online backup have been erased by the corrupted one before i notice that it was corrupted | 14:50 |
| alterego | My backups are stored on three different machines in varying locations and archived on external hard disk drives and DVD's. | 14:51 |
| Khertan_at_work | the dvd one is 3 weeks ago ... :( | 14:51 |
| alterego | Scht. Unlucky :( | 14:51 |
| lcuk | johnx, ive been thinking that way for a while now :) | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: raidz on main server, raidz on backup server in different building, with very important files copied to 2-3 different locations | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:52 |
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| johnx | lcuk, I have since I got my second zaurus :) | 14:52 |
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| * lardman wonders how long one battery bar will last playing mp3s | 14:53 | |
| alterego | Stskeeps: sounds similar to my setup. With out the optical storage :P | 14:53 |
| * johnx 's backup system involves a shell on a friend's machine in another country | 14:53 | |
| lcuk | i still think carrying aorund even a netbook is impractical for what i see most things, but for in house its perfect | 14:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:53 |
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| * lcuk is ashamed to say he hasnt had offsite backup for a while now | 14:54 | |
| johnx | lcuk, too bad you missed out on the zaurus: http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a267/Legodude522/3deba471.jpg | 14:54 |
| alterego | Backup mirroring is essential as far as I'm concerned and keeping an archive on a local storage medium like CD's and my external HDD's is also a must. Just incase I'm without network. | 14:54 |
| alterego | Eek, qtopia! -_- | 14:54 |
| alterego | >_< | 14:54 |
| alterego | O_- | 14:54 |
| lcuk | johnx, didnt missout entirely, i just couldnt afford one | 14:54 |
| alterego | >_< | 14:54 |
| Khertan_at_work | do you some good online storage that work with linux ? | 14:54 |
| johnx | alterego, it's ok, it can't hurt you. it's dead | 14:54 |
| johnx | Khertan, I've been playing with box.net and fuse boxfs | 14:55 |
| lcuk | git allows subscription/user based access doesnt it | 14:55 |
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| alterego | Khertan_at_work: there are loads of places that offer ftp upload etc, personally I'd go for sftp/scp they usually charge something like $5 a month for 5-10G storage. | 14:55 |
| lcuk | ie i can use garage but only allow a subset of users initially | 14:55 |
| johnx | lcuk, you mean restricted read access? | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | alterego, i just post all my data to irc | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the specifics on git on garage isnt that clear yet :P | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | (sadly) | 14:56 |
| lcuk | yeah johnx | 14:56 |
| alterego | lcuk: hah :) | 14:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: screens were too small imho | 14:56 |
| Khertan_at_work | 5.70 EUro by months ... box.net isn't cheap ! | 14:56 |
| lcuk | before release whilst the api ischanging its not a grerat thing to get tied up supporting people playing with intermediate versions | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | you can probably always do some kind of Amazon S3 stuff too | 14:56 |
| alterego | Khertan_at_work: it's cheaper than the time it's going to take you to get your data up-to-scratch O_O | 14:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, could say the same about 810 | 14:56 |
| lardman | I do :) | 14:56 |
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| lardman | but it's not too bad | 14:56 |
| lardman | larger would be better though | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_at_work: 1gb for free though | 14:57 |
| lcuk | the 810 is perfect as carry along, but i do also like the 12inch pinboard at home | 14:57 |
| lcuk | would make a perfect mega rss reader ;) | 14:57 |
| alterego | Heh, | 14:57 |
| alterego | I'm contemplating buying a projector. | 14:57 |
| lardman | I could live with an inch larger diagonal screen | 14:57 |
| johnx | lcuk, then don't support people. post a warning "subject to change" and then tell people as such. you've got to be cruel to be kind | 14:57 |
| Khertan_at_work | Stskeeps: i need arround 5Gb | 14:58 |
| lcuk | alterego, ive got an x41 tabletpc, its pen based but giving me lots of ideas :) i waited a while to get my big daddy machine pleased i have it now | 14:58 |
| lardman | perhaps just the screen completely covers the front (well except for a little hole for the camera( | 14:58 |
| alterego | "big daddy machine"? Is it a desktop workstation? | 14:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, makes it hard to hold - you would get odd characters | 14:58 |
| johnx | Khertan_at_work, huh...wonder if they canceled my free account ... | 14:58 |
| lardman | ah that's true | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | alterego, its my only large format linux machine :: i have windows here and it works nicely with mouse, but i wanted a big tablet to test liqbase on it | 14:59 |
| lardman | bring back Psion-5 style folding + kb ;) | 14:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:59 |
| johnx | Khertan_at_work, or get 5 accounts? :D | 14:59 |
| lcuk | touchscreen+linux+liqbase == awesome :) | 14:59 |
| alterego | lardman: the 5 was awesome. | 14:59 |
| alterego | I could touch type on that puppy .. | 14:59 |
| alterego | Which reminds me, I'm supposed to be refurbing a friends 5MX | 15:00 |
| lcuk | ok, my multitouch - i think ive got a PRACTICAL usage case for it that doesnt involve crappy misclicks:: if the OSK had shift keys in the corner that you press with thumb to activate you can hold it down and press the second letter nice and easily like a real keyboard | 15:00 |
| lcuk | (sorry for random shifting, it popped back into head after pondering it dropping off last night) | 15:01 |
| Khertan_at_work | lcul : http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_7/index.html?country=fr&lang=fr | 15:01 |
| Khertan_at_work | lcuk : http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_7/index.html?country=fr&lang=fr | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | khertan, i cant read that - its french \@/ plus im at work and vnc isnt good, what am i looking at apart from the archos 7 which is pretty | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | hm, pandora delayed again? | 15:02 |
| lardman | looks cool, but no kb and not hackable to install your own firmware | 15:02 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: how so? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: just reading up on iTT :P | 15:02 |
| Khertan_at_work | it s a 7" device running linux :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i almost got an archos but didnt want to have to hack it to get going | 15:03 |
| alterego | I'm a bit pissed off at Nokia/Symbians idea of open sourcing symbian. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_at_work: yeah, but it's also completely locked down and spams you with advertisements to buy stuff :P | 15:03 |
| Khertan_at_work | the important thing is resume in this sentence :) | 15:03 |
| lcuk | Khertan, ive got 12inches now | 15:03 |
| * lcuk waves it around | 15:03 | |
| alterego | If you give us a stupid amount of money, you can take a peek at the source O_O | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: get source for a fee? that's open source :P | 15:03 |
| alterego | Not realy. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | you can do that with GPL too. | 15:03 |
| lcuk | they added their software UI ontop of linux | 15:03 |
| alterego | Really? | 15:03 |
| * alterego hides his ruby-maemo source behind paypay. | 15:04 | |
| Khertan_at_work | yep | 15:04 |
| lcuk | i believe the UI is closed | 15:04 |
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| alterego | ~paypal | 15:04 |
| infobot | [paypal] at http://www.paypalsucks.com and http://www.paypal.com | 15:04 |
| alterego | Heh .. | 15:04 |
| lcuk | its the tivo model :) or something | 15:04 |
| alterego | That's not what I meant. | 15:04 |
| lardman | the bootloader/flasher is too afaik,. so you can't install unsigned images. Something like that | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | give us the damned nice hardware at a price thats reasonable and we will fill it with good software | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: its allowed to charge a nominal fee :P | 15:05 |
| * lcuk wants omap3 :'( | 15:06 | |
| alterego | lcuk: patience ;) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you can have the source to libliqbase for $9999999999999999999999 but only cos its not released yet | 15:06 |
| alterego | I'm seriously considering getting a beagle board though, to use as my DVR. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna mess with hardware any more | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | anyway, bbl | 15:08 |
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| * aquatix nowadays only has time for things that Just Work(tm) :/ | 15:09 | |
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| aquatix | like maemo and my ubuntu laptop :) | 15:09 |
| johnx | alterego, yeah, thinking about a beagle for video playback and a thecus n2100 for storage / mythtv backend | 15:10 |
| alterego | johnx: cool, I plan on hooking it up via DVI to my HDTV and also make it stream over the network. So I can watch it on all my connected devices (like tablet) :) | 15:11 |
| aquatix | hm, a beagle boar is quite nice for doing that indeed | 15:12 |
| aquatix | *board | 15:13 |
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| andrewfblack | Morning | 15:24 |
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| johnx | mornin' andrewfblack | 15:26 |
| aquatix | good afternoon andrewfblack :) | 15:27 |
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| andrewfblack | Have you guys seen the video of the Pandora OS onscreen keyboard is so small even the devolper can't type on it lol | 15:28 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, yeah, that's standard matchbox keyboard | 15:28 |
| johnx | it was designed for a 240x320 display I think | 15:28 |
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| andrewfblack | I still can't beleave people paided for those things to be shipped in june and now 6 months later no device | 15:29 |
| johnx | there were some delays...it really was a rough process | 15:29 |
| johnx | BTW, people paid in late september, not june | 15:29 |
| * johnx waits patiently for his pandora :) | 15:30 | |
| * lardman is not so sure | 15:30 | |
| soul9 | err, the n810 doesn't have an accelerometer, right? | 15:30 |
| lardman | right | 15:30 |
| andrewfblack | ahh well I thought first release was supose to be in june | 15:30 |
| lardman | I think it was :) | 15:31 |
| johnx | first pandora release was supposed to be like june 2007 under a different name :) | 15:31 |
| lardman | - supposed to be that is | 15:31 |
| johnx | like I said, rough process :) | 15:31 |
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| andrewfblack | plus I wouldn't put it past a small company like that to make up a fake release date just to keep people interested | 15:32 |
| andrewfblack | not saying they did just saying I wouldn't be surprised | 15:32 |
| lardman | yeah, that was my thought | 15:32 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, yeah, I actually doubt it in this case. I've been following things pretty closely for quite a while | 15:32 |
| lardman | in that case they just weren't realistic in their predictions | 15:33 |
| johnx | it really is the case that 2-3 core people are trying to design and produce a handheld gadget and it's been pretty rough from a design, production and financing perspective | 15:33 |
| johnx | lardman, and that's something they admit to, still there was little way for them to predict some of the problems | 15:34 |
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| lardman | the LCD one is a red herring though | 15:36 |
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| johnx | lardman, they never said that it would delay them, just that it might | 15:37 |
| * Khertan_at_work is still looking for an online storage solution .... | 15:37 | |
| lardman | well the rest of the delays are due to design/manuf issues, which should imo have been factored in | 15:37 |
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| johnx | lardman, how do you "factor it in" when you've never done it before? | 15:38 |
| lardman | or the release dates should have been publicised with a big warning that these are if nothing goes wrong, etc | 15:38 |
| johnx | the release dates were always "subject to change" | 15:38 |
| Khertan_at_work | johnx: delay = (int)rand * rand + 10% | 15:38 |
| lardman | I'd have thought the companies with whom they deal would have some idea of how long it takes to get a board process up to scratch, etc | 15:38 |
| johnx | Khertan_at_work, exactly my point | 15:39 |
| andrewfblack | well having wrong release dates is ok if you don't take people money money should not be taken until everything is finished and you are just waiting to have factory build parts | 15:39 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, did you preorder? | 15:39 |
| andrewfblack | No | 15:39 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, then you're worrying about people who knew that going into things | 15:40 |
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| andrewfblack | Well I'm not worried just talking | 15:40 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm just saying the pandora devs never said "we have a firm release date." the answer was always "If you're unsure, wait for the second batch." | 15:41 |
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| johnx | lardman, not much incentive for the companies they worked with to be realistic when $$$ is on the line for them | 15:41 |
| andrewfblack | New Topic You know what i hate about designing themes trying to keep up with 200+ layers in one photoshop file | 15:41 |
| Khertan_at_work | someone know lifedrive.com | 15:42 |
| Khertan_at_work | ? | 15:42 |
| johnx | Khertan_at_work, looks like a spam site to me | 15:42 |
| lardman | johnx: I know, and it's obviously a pretty difficult thing to do, but I just wish they'd handled their information passing better really | 15:42 |
| johnx | lardman, agreed. they're doing it better now | 15:43 |
| StsN800 | holy crap. i had forgotten how i look without beard | 15:43 |
| johnx | StsN800, I know the feeling | 15:43 |
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| johnx | lardman, I think if when they tell "the whole story" after the first units start shipping we'll find out there were a lot more close calls and potential problems behind the scenes than they ever let on | 15:44 |
| Khertan_at_work | jonhx : it s a online storage company | 15:44 |
| Khertan_at_work | jonhx : it s a online storage service | 15:44 |
| Khertan_at_work | :) | 15:44 |
| lardman | johnx: perhaps so, but it would be nice to know if they have your money :) | 15:44 |
| johnx | Khertan, lifedrive.com is a parked domain | 15:45 |
| Khertan_at_work | ah oups ... sorry wrong url | 15:45 |
| Khertan_at_work | livedrive.com :) | 15:45 |
| johnx | lardman, they were likely worried about provoking a full scale panic, and I can't really blame them. Also, it's funny how the people who actually put up their money aren't as worried as the people watching :) | 15:45 |
| andrewfblack | BTW I found out what was killing my resources on the maemobox.org server someone who had an account was running like a spam/ad site on it | 15:45 |
| lardman | johnx: yeah definitely the panic thing, I put up money, am not worried, just disappointed | 15:46 |
| andrewfblack | There was a guy on itT who put his money in then when they gave it back they gave it less becuase of bank fees and exchange rate he is worried | 15:46 |
| lardman | not worried as I have the money back and have not been asked to repay yet | 15:46 |
| johnx | lardman, ah, I never remember what you decided in the end :) | 15:46 |
| johnx | re-order emails are coming :) I already repaid | 15:47 |
| lardman | I'm in the UK so no problems with exchange rates | 15:47 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, and the re-order price is the same as what you got back | 15:47 |
| Khertan_at_work | what is maemobox.net ? | 15:47 |
| lardman | johnx: yeah, that's the only issue, I'm not so sure it's the best bet anymore | 15:47 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan_at_work Never head of that site but i don't think the unlimited part will last past beta | 15:47 |
| Khertan_at_work | andrewfblack: yep ... i think too | 15:48 |
| Khertan_at_work | but i looking for something reliable ... | 15:48 |
| Khertan_at_work | it can be not free ... | 15:48 |
| Khertan_at_work | but not expensive too :) | 15:48 |
| johnx | lardman, I guess we're in a different situation. you want to work on omap3 specific hardware and I'm happy proto-typing on zaurus and n800 while I wait | 15:48 |
| Khertan_at_work | i found box.net really too expensive | 15:49 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan_at_work it was a site i ran that gave people free web storage for maemo related items, but due to over usage by some people its now limited to select projects I choose easy debian being one i have hosted for a long time now. | 15:49 |
| Khertan_at_work | andrewfblack: great choice :) | 15:49 |
| lardman | johnx: yep, and I also wonder what else will be round the corner that I could better spend my money on | 15:50 |
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| johnx | lardman, in my case the pandora has features that I care about that probably won't show up in whatever thing nokia releases next | 15:51 |
| lardman | johnx: the gaming stuff? | 15:51 |
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| lardman | that's of no interest to me whatsoever I must admit | 15:51 |
| johnx | lardman, the full power host usb port and 8 hours of battery life | 15:51 |
| johnx | 8 hours of 100% CPU battery life that is | 15:52 |
| lardman | ah, well those would be benefits and useful, but not make or break items | 15:52 |
| johnx | I plan to bring my own 3G modem, so the host port is a must | 15:52 |
| lardman | I'd prefer to wait for the n900 for that usage case, use something built in | 15:53 |
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| johnx | I have doubts about what provider will be supported in the US | 15:53 |
| andrewfblack | should be able to support several providers | 15:54 |
| johnx | 3G in the US is so FUBAR that every single provider uses different spectrum | 15:54 |
| lardman | ah, well that's more of an issue, though I'd expect Nokia to do a decent job really | 15:55 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, few HSPA devices support att and t-mo's 3G spectrum | 15:55 |
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| johnx | and the answer would be that no nokia phone support 3G on att and t-mo in the US | 15:58 |
| johnx | not exactly great precedent ... | 15:58 |
| lardman | yeah, fair enough | 15:59 |
| johnx | price was another concern, as was shipping date. I am disappointed it didn't make it out before christmas...but then again I don't really blame someone for it | 16:00 |
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| lardman | 1.5hr on one bar, now the dongs are coming | 16:03 |
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| johnx | the n8x0 battery applet tells horrible lies :P | 16:03 |
| lardman | better than the prediction anyway :) | 16:03 |
| lardman | of <1hr | 16:03 |
| RST38h | bad or good kind? | 16:03 |
| Khertan_at_work | hum ... does their is tool to fix this stupid fat fs ? | 16:04 |
| lardman | bad dongs, low battery | 16:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | MerEcho theme does not look very brilliant... :( | 16:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | lack of transparent and icon theme | 16:04 |
| johnx | Khertan_at_work, look for forensics software or possibly "undelete" | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: scrshot kthx | 16:04 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: I can't open any apps.. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | well then | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | just guess where the icons were before :P | 16:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 16:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | you mean copying icon's from maemo? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | well that's a possibility too :P but the actual buttons would be where the icons are missing i guess | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | like, to click | 16:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | they aren't | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | odd, k | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | thanks for trying | 16:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll modify .Xsession to take scrhot :P | 16:08 |
| andrewfblack | Meiz_n810 what you mean lack of Transparent and icon theme? | 16:08 |
| * lardman hopes for usb charging for the n900 | 16:08 | |
| lardman | as his n810 goes flat | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | any word on the n900? | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I hope they also provide a high power solution. | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: andrewfblack made the theme so point him in directions of whats not working :) | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | bbl bus | 16:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack task-navigator and statusbar can not be transparent in Mer yet | 16:09 |
| andrewfblack | Meiz_n810 what version of MerEcho are you using? | 16:09 |
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| andrewfblack | Meiz_n810 ok wasn't told that before I can fix that | 16:10 |
| Meiz_n810 | the garage one.. Sts gave me a link | 16:10 |
| Meiz_n810 | but i'll take scrshot now.. | 16:10 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: well I guess standard chargers will fit too | 16:11 |
| * Khertan_at_work hope for sd running at -16 °C | 16:11 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Not sure, I haven't checked any phones which have usb charging now. | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | lardman & X-Fade: my blackberry charges fine through usb | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | though, it needs some funky USB handshake in order to get enough current | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Sure, but a normal charger can deliver more mah.. | 16:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie: but probably not if it's doing something much | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | I guess you could always go with the double USB connector | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Which is lame ;) | 16:15 |
| lardman | I find the nokia phone chargers take forever to charge the n8x0 as they are low current | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | lame, but it works | 16:15 |
| lardman | crashanddie: :) | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, they can also make a charger with an usb plug. So it can provide more, but still use the usb plug. | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | I had that for... An mp3 player of some sort, was pretty perfect | 16:16 |
| lardman | though the little nokia charger thingie must be pretty small inside too | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | If they really want to be awesome, go like RIM: give a power plug that has all the major connectors and you can swap them round | 16:17 |
| lardman | the plug that is | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, there is a plastic block surrounding it. | 16:17 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: wel lI'll happily swap that bit of plastic for some more RAM, :) | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | It all has to fit in a package a lot smaller than our N810 is now.. | 16:18 |
| lardman | ! | 16:18 |
| lardman | was that some classified info? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | No ;) | 16:18 |
| lardman | bbiam, going to find some food | 16:18 |
| lardman | please tell us more, like the exact dimensions and what colour it is ;) | 16:18 |
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| X-Fade | That was wat both Ari and Peter hinted at at the summit. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | But then again, they are not the hardware people ;) | 16:19 |
| johnx | and they're having the developer program again, right? :D | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | johnx: They are looking into giving some developers early access to hardware. | 16:20 |
| alterego | Shit, we've only got the cheap crap coffee now :( | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Even before release. | 16:20 |
| johnx | :) | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | so do we know for a fact it's going to be n900? | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: No. | 16:20 |
| johnx | crashanddie, we know for a fact it won't be called an internet tablet :) | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: We know that it's hardware code is RX-51. | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | Or at least current proto is called that ;) | 16:21 |
| alterego | It's not an "Internet Tablet"?!?" | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Next one isn't called that anymore. | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | But then again, my N95 is called a "Multimedia Computer" :) | 16:24 |
| johnx | I think my pentium 166mmx machine was called that too :) | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | It will be fun to see what marketing comes up with for the next iteration. | 16:27 |
| johnx | it will be fun to see what they do for the case style | 16:27 |
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| johnx | and I'm really excited about the software :) | 16:27 |
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| lardman | mmmm, tomato soup | 16:28 |
| johnx | mmm...tomato firmware | 16:28 |
| * lardman wonders how they will make it smaller | 16:28 | |
| johnx | they have bezels to cut on the n810 | 16:29 |
| johnx | and they can make it thinner | 16:29 |
| lardman | yep | 16:29 |
| lardman | hope that doesn't mean the kb goes | 16:30 |
| johnx | I'm sure it won't | 16:30 |
| johnx | I'd love to see what the sales numbers looked like after they added it | 16:30 |
| johnx | if the n810 didn't sell well they could have kept the n800 in production, but they didn't | 16:31 |
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| lardman | good point | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Wasn't there a hint of hardware keyboard in the code.. | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | ? | 16:31 |
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| lardman | I don't remember, will have to take another look at it | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | Keyboard is mentioned here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-commits/2009-January/012184.html | 16:32 |
| lardman | good thing I don't have to talk here with my newly acquired tomato-soup-tongue-burn | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | But doesn't mean it has to be a hardware keyboard.. | 16:32 |
| johnx | lardman, yeah, that's why I prefer tomato firmware. no tongue burning problems | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Hmm and what is 'tana'? | 16:33 |
| StsN801 | heh, a kbd that could be both mounted and detached could be neat | 16:33 |
| lardman | depends how hot your chips get :) | 16:33 |
| StsN801 | detached and used wirelessly that is | 16:34 |
| johnx | StsN801, detachable stuff always sounds like it would be fun, but it adds so much bulk... | 16:34 |
| StsN801 | mm | 16:34 |
| johnx | think: bug labs :) | 16:34 |
| StsN801 | htc had magnetic kbd | 16:34 |
| StsN801 | not directly bad idea | 16:34 |
| lardman | X-Fade: tv-out | 16:35 |
| lardman | from the looks of it | 16:35 |
| RST38h | anyone seen asus new eee keyboard?=) | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, could be. | 16:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh, yeah. I posted it here a bit ago. shades of the computers of old, huh? | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | johnx: side screen is kinda new - old ones had an ashtray there =) | 16:37 |
| johnx | it's even made to be used with a TV | 16:37 |
| johnx | in every way this is the old idea redone with modern tech | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | well, if you call nowadays hdmi equipped lcd panels tvs... | 16:38 |
| johnx | usually computer monitors are just DVI still, right? | 16:38 |
| RST38h | hdmi and dmi are the same thing | 16:39 |
| RST38h | dvi | 16:39 |
| johnx | eh, whatever. it's still designed to be used with a TV | 16:39 |
| johnx | they said so themselves AFAIK. it's supposed to be an htpc | 16:40 |
| StsN801 | hm, htpc rx-51.. | 16:40 |
| StsN801 | certainly power saving | 16:40 |
| johnx | yeah, a pandora will fill that spot nicely too :) | 16:40 |
| johnx | anything omap3 :) | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | ah pandora fills so many different slots right now... | 16:41 |
| StsN801 | gf started saying i should get used to not having flatrate power | 16:41 |
| RST38h | I mean imaginary hw is always the greatest one :) | 16:41 |
| RST38h | sts: there is such thing as flatrate power? | 16:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, dorm living? :) | 16:43 |
| StsN801 | in the wide perspective no, but i pay the same for power,heat,water, through dorm rent | 16:43 |
| StsN801 | +each month | 16:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm mainly extrapolating from what the beagleboard is already capable of, so not exactly imaginary | 16:44 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | johnx: it is a pcb with wires. | 16:44 |
| RST38h | as a pcb with wires, it is only capable of being a dev platform for hackers | 16:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, it decodes video and has tv-out. that's most of an htpc right there | 16:45 |
| johnx | my desktop's motherboard is a "PCB with wires." I stuck it in a case and now I have a computer | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | johnx: will beagle decode 1280x768 divx or xvid video flawlessly? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | ss | 16:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, think so. let me find the link | 16:52 |
| RST38h | (just asking because my 2.4ghz pentium4 cant) | 16:52 |
| lardman | hmm, your pc should be able to decode that in real time | 16:53 |
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| johnx | really? that's kinda sad. only gets my 1.8GHz A64 going up to 50% CPU usage | 16:53 |
| soul9 | depends on the video card | 16:53 |
| soul9 | yeah, the 2,4 ghz shouldn't have problems with that | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | DVI != HDMi | 16:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, it is definitely not fast enough | 16:54 |
| johnx | is it one of the older P4s? | 16:55 |
| RST38h | otoh, pentium4 is really a failure... | 16:55 |
| johnx | yes | 16:55 |
| johnx | no argument there | 16:55 |
| RST38h | dunno which one | 16:55 |
| RST38h | but I doubt omap3 can do this either | 16:55 |
| lardman | it has hw acceleration | 16:56 |
| lardman | built into the DSP, so might be possible | 16:56 |
| lardman | in fact I'd have thought it would be | 16:56 |
| johnx | RST38h, people on the list are talking about 1080p :) | 16:56 |
| johnx | 720p was demoed on CPU only | 16:56 |
| lardman | am still shocked your p4 can't decode it though | 16:57 |
| johnx | lardman, if it's one of the oldest P4s I can believe it. they are thoroughly not fast | 16:57 |
| RST38h | unbelievably cool :) | 16:57 |
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| lardman | I've got a P4 3GHz here in my work pc | 16:58 |
| RST38h | can we expect a mythtv port to n9x0 then?:) | 16:58 |
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| * Khertan_at_work cry is source file lost on his sd card ..... snifffff | 16:59 | |
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| johnx | RST38h, have one for the n8x0 I believe. frontend only though | 17:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: what are you running your xvid decoder on? | 17:01 |
| lardman | what platform and which codec are you using? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: asus digimatrix | 17:02 |
| lardman | Linux? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: ffdshow | 17:02 |
| johnx | RST38h, http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/2692388640/ | 17:02 |
| RST38h | no, xp media center | 17:02 |
| johnx | h.264 no less :) | 17:03 |
| * crashanddie is hoping to hear good news at macworld SF about either new mac pros or new iMac | 17:03 | |
| crashanddie | quad core iMac would be awesome | 17:03 |
| johnx | crashanddie, neither | 17:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am here from a cell phone, have mercy | 17:03 |
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| crashanddie | I want a proper desktop, and if it could be a mac, would be perfect... | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | I'd love to see a quad core iMac with 12+ gig of RAM and at least a terrabyte of storage... Good enough to run a couple of VMs from and have some space to breathe | 17:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, It's the "Big Buck Bunny" video in 720P being shown running from a beagleboard at some conference | 17:05 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, all they announced was iLife, iWork and a new 17" macbook pro | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | yeah but shush | 17:05 |
| Khertan_at_work | crashanddie: announce was already done | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | it ain't over yet | 17:05 |
| Khertan_at_work | crashanddie: just a 17" macbook | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | I know, I can go to macrumors.com as well, thanks | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | you never know, they may be coming back | 17:06 |
| johnx | Actually the NEC all-in-one desktops look nice. very nice and portable | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | woo, work n800 is charging! | 17:07 |
| RST38h | lots of these on the market - asus, hp, sony... | 17:07 |
| lardman | RST38h: looks cool, the wonders of windows, perhaps try tweaking your ffshow settings? | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah the specs are shite | 17:07 |
| johnx | meh. I do my big builds on servers on other continents... | 17:08 |
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| * lardman needs to buy a new work PC, quad core sounds good | 17:08 | |
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| * johnx wants a new PC...but doesn't really need one. a dual core mini-itx system sounds nice though | 17:08 | |
| * lardman wants CUDA | 17:09 | |
| RST38h | lardman: already did, no luck | 17:09 |
| lardman | not that I need a new PC for that | 17:09 |
| lardman | RST38h: hmm, no idea then, blame Windows perhaps ;) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | lardman: not buying another asus machine ever again | 17:09 |
| RST38h | lardman: chinese engineering at its finest | 17:10 |
| lardman | oh | 17:11 |
| lardman | fair enough, /me files that warning for future reference | 17:11 |
| johnx | ahaha...the idea of trying to avoid things made in China is hilarious | 17:11 |
| Zic | Hi, I have a graphic bug with latest upgrades of my Maemo Diablo : I have not the load icon content when I launch an application, just "Foo is loading..." | 17:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: that is not what I meant | 17:11 |
| Zic | How can I fix it? | 17:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: poor digimatrix problem is that it isDESIGNED in china | 17:12 |
| RST38h | so, it is made of cheap, substandard parts, tied with string | 17:13 |
| RST38h | dont believe me? google for the specs. | 17:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, in contrast to the American P4 which was shit slow *and* expensive | 17:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: actually, p4 is a good example of american engineering fallacies | 17:14 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, coasting when you reach the top | 17:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: like, inability to listen to criticism for example ;) | 17:14 |
| johnx | Zic, what do you mean about not having "load icon content." I don't quite understand | 17:15 |
| Zic | johnx: the animated load icon when you are launching an application, at the left corner of the displayed notification "FooBar is loading..." | 17:16 |
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| lardman | does the icon in question appear once the app is loaded? | 17:18 |
| lardman | oh in the message, hmm, I don't rememeber that | 17:19 |
| Khertan_at_work | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 | 17:21 |
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| Khertan_at_work | look the last comment | 17:22 |
| Khertan_at_work | fremantle will not use jffs2 | 17:22 |
| Khertan_at_work | ? | 17:22 |
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| Khertan_at_work | so no jffs2 mean ssd in the next device ? | 17:22 |
| lardman | ubifs | 17:22 |
| lardman | new flash fs | 17:23 |
| Khertan_at_work | ubifs was mainly done for ssd right ? | 17:23 |
| johnx | it's for raw NAND, IIRC | 17:23 |
| StsN800 | heh, always good when your universitys forum nokia contact comes to offer assistance/nokia devices if i need any | 17:23 |
| johnx | hot sauce. you need two n900s pronto | 17:25 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 17:25 |
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| StsN800 | he said that too, early access:P | 17:26 |
| lardman | your uni has a nokia rep? | 17:26 |
| lardman | why's that? | 17:26 |
| StsN800 | we do a lot of pervasive computing stuff and my former boss is the contact here | 17:27 |
| lardman | cool :) | 17:28 |
| StsN800 | gets devices if we need them for research/classes/study group/etc | 17:28 |
| * lardman works in the wrong field :) | 17:28 | |
| crashanddie | "Yes, we need 180 n96's for a study group... Err, length of lease? Indefinite" | 17:29 |
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| StsN800 | johnx, scary fact - skype x86 looks correct in mer | 17:37 |
| johnx | wait, huh? | 17:37 |
| johnx | they did their own emulation of the hildonized look? | 17:37 |
| StsN800 | nah | 17:38 |
| StsN800 | just ran in it | 17:38 |
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| * qwerty12 welcomes the effin slow bugzilla | 17:44 | |
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| woglinde | hi | 17:54 |
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| florian | hi woglinde | 17:55 |
| woglinde | he florian you did some work on gpe | 17:55 |
| florian | woglinde: yes a little bit | 17:56 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, is there something up with repository.mer.tspre.org ? | 18:00 |
| johnx | nm, didn't resolve once, but now it does O_o | 18:01 |
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| StsN800 | k | 18:02 |
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| r2d2rogers | good morning | 18:13 |
| johnx | mornin' r2d2rogers :) | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, libtool is still missing despite me explicitly specifying it as a build-depend. I'll just shove it in the package. | 18:16 |
| r2d2rogers | it's always fun to say that in a multi timezone channel ;) | 18:16 |
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| r2d2rogers | I think I'm wishing for an alternative to sapwood.... I'd like to get past that issue... | 18:16 |
| johnx | r2d2rogers, not sapwood related, but you've heard of ugt, right? :) | 18:17 |
| r2d2rogers | nosir | 18:17 |
| r2d2rogers | Nice | 18:18 |
| * r2d2rogers likes google | 18:18 | |
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| johnx | ~ugt | 18:19 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Freenode has their own freenode Standard Time... | 18:19 |
| r2d2rogers | yup, found the URL mentioned | 18:19 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, actually, speaking of sapwood, do you have a copy of the sapwood .deb that worked on my zaurus? | 18:21 |
| StsN800 | somewhre | 18:22 |
| StsN800 | in meeting atm | 18:22 |
| johnx | no rush | 18:22 |
| StsN800 | look at logs maybe | 18:22 |
| johnx | good idea :) | 18:23 |
| StsN800 | prolly on bsd.tspre.org | 18:23 |
| johnx | ah, yeah, thanks | 18:23 |
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| crashanddie | is Fremantle going to be backwards compatible with the n8x0 ? | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Not officially | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | hence:... | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | ~mer | 18:30 |
| infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | aren't I a typing whore? | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Don't know about the typing... but you sure are a w... | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | Anyway | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | thanks for that | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:31 |
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| Khertan_at_work | Bye | 18:34 |
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| woglinde | hi crashanddie | 18:35 |
| Khertan_at_work | pfff 100 Euros by year the online backup ... i ll bougth an other nas ... it s cheaper ! | 18:35 |
| Khertan_at_work | bye | 18:35 |
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| woglinde | bye jhertan | 18:35 |
| woglinde | hm to late | 18:35 |
| woglinde | online backups is straid going to all secret services | 18:35 |
| johnx | GAN800, well, there's your answer about SDHC and the 2TB limit :/ | 18:36 |
| Veggen | Khertan: is there any online backup services that are reasonable? | 18:36 |
| Veggen | i.e. what do you get for the 100 euros? | 18:37 |
| * qwerty12 couldn't stand an online backup service, my upload speed isn't brilliantly great anyway. | 18:38 | |
| * crashanddie prepares for a shitstorm after his last bug comment | 18:38 | |
| crashanddie | I quite like Carbonite | 18:38 |
| Veggen | qwerty12: my hosting provider didn't provide backup, so I think I'll buy the service elsewhere. | 18:38 |
| * qwerty12 expects more on my comment. You agree with Nokia so... | 18:39 | |
| qwerty12 | Veggen, ah | 18:39 |
| Veggen | I'm on a tidying-my-flat-mission. That includes getting rid of boxes that needs to be always on :) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | I recommend backing up to floppy disks. :P | 18:40 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12: you the faheem bloke? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, yes | 18:41 |
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| johnx | Veggen, replace them with one small box that needs to be always on :) | 18:41 |
| Veggen | johnx: doable. | 18:41 |
| Veggen | but I ended up getting a virtualized server for most of my needs. | 18:42 |
| Veggen | anything I'm gonna have always on at home is gonna have no moving parts. | 18:42 |
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| johnx | an interesting goal :) | 18:42 |
| johnx | could fill a thecus n2100 with a couple SSDs and take the fan out | 18:43 |
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| Veggen | johnx: a backup-server doesn't necessarily have to be always on, my asterisk box, I think don't need much diskspace and can be fanless too. | 18:43 |
| johnx | the question is does a hard disk count as a "moving part"? | 18:44 |
| Veggen | johnx: and everything else at home can be turned off after my outsourcing-mission :) | 18:44 |
| Veggen | johnx: yup. | 18:44 |
| johnx | what are you doing for mass file storage? | 18:44 |
| Veggen | I'm gonna have no such things that need to be on. | 18:45 |
| Veggen | unless I use it. | 18:45 |
| johnx | so if you want files from one machine on the other you'll need to walk around and turn both on? | 18:46 |
| Veggen | john: oh, the goal isn't necessarily to never have them on, it's to be able to turn them off at night, and when I go on vacation. | 18:47 |
| johnx | fair enough I guess, I'm just trying to reduce the power usage of my always on machines | 18:48 |
| Veggen | it's not as much power usage as noise and mess I'm trying to reduce :) | 18:48 |
| johnx | I can totally appreciate that :) | 18:49 |
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| crashanddie | just buy one big server and have loads of VMs on them | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | :P | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | put it in the shed, deadlock on the door, done | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone happen to know the easiest way I can compile an xpidl binary? I downloaded the mozilla sources last time, a pita... | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | xpi ? Firefox extension? | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | I think *xpidl* is an compiler of some sort for extensions | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh, not a compiler: "xpidl is a tool for generating XPCOM interface information" | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | it's based off libIDL... What could go wrong?/How hard can it be? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | According to the wiki page, I can build it after "./configuring" the mozilla source and running make -C on a few dirs but that didn't go well. Fuck it, there's probably a binary in the xulrunner distributed with fennec | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Figured it out, to save time for any other people: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/xpidl | 19:30 |
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| r2d2rogers | anyone tried fennec on Mer? | 19:41 |
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| johnx | nope | 19:42 |
| johnx | I'll probably try Tear first | 19:42 |
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| r2d2rogers | cool, I wasn't aware of tear | 19:42 |
| johnx | it's really quite impressive. once support for downloading files is in I won't miss microb at all | 19:43 |
| r2d2rogers | nice | 19:43 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm amused that the unthemed hildon is more useable... | 19:46 |
| r2d2rogers | WRT the sapwood bug | 19:46 |
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| r2d2rogers | I moved the .so file for sapwood and I can use the dropdowns better | 19:46 |
| r2d2rogers | advanced back light has sliders now <G> | 19:46 |
| johnx | yeah, but lots of things that want to draw icons just won't work I think | 19:47 |
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| johnx | I might be willing to send my zaurus off to anyone who wants to look at the problem | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | http://khertan.net/index.php/post/2009/01/07/Lost-3-week-of-work-...6 | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | johnx: what is the problem ? | 19:49 |
| johnx | sapwood bug on armv5te processors | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | so this is software ... | 19:50 |
| johnx | yeah, but hardware dependent it seems | 19:50 |
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| Khertan_n810_4 | which rom used ? | 19:51 |
| johnx | also, about the sd card thing...I wonder if it was the sd card or other electronic component not behaving correctly in the cold... | 19:51 |
| johnx | Khertan, Mer :) | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | héhé ... lol | 19:51 |
| johnx | ubuntu/mer, same as the one that's running on the n8x0 next to it | 19:51 |
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| r2d2rogers | I see the same bug on a 770 | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | ouch it s snowing again | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | smae bug ? sapwood ? or sdcard ? | 19:52 |
| johnx | r2d2rogers, though actually you're getting different behavior it seems. it actually works on the zaurus for the most part after stskeeps modification to sapwood | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | sprry sapwood | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | ah nevermind | 19:52 |
| johnx | but it's almost certainly related somehow | 19:53 |
| stelleg | anyone compiling kernels ever gotten this message? | 19:53 |
| stelleg | undefined reference to `otg_set_transceiver' | 19:53 |
| stelleg | definitely compiling with otg support | 19:54 |
| stelleg | only header file with otg_set_transceiver is otg.h | 19:54 |
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| stelleg | and otg.c is definitely getting compiled | 19:55 |
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| bakarat | ok first time to put maemo mapper to actual real life use | 19:55 |
| bakarat | i'm impressed hehe :> | 19:55 |
| * Khertan_n810_4 is trying to charge his n810 cpu to keep his tablet at a temp superior to zero | 19:56 | |
| johnx | Khertan_n810_4, don't know if that will be enough to keep everything inside the case warmer than freezing... | 19:58 |
| bakarat | btw, is there a way to change the color of the "route" in mapper? | 19:59 |
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| bakarat | cause the route is indicated in green, and i have to follow a really long blue road :| | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n810_4 | johnx: i see that | 19:59 |
| johnx | bakarat, maybe you should go somewhere else...maybe someplace on a red road? | 20:00 |
| * johnx heads to bed | 20:00 | |
| bakarat | johnx, ye, i'll ask my customer to move :p | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | bakarat, have you by any chance actually opened the settings of maemo-mapper? | 20:01 |
| bakarat | qwerty12, hmm, i checked quickly but was on the road at the time hehe :D | 20:02 |
| bakarat | qwerty12, my bad, must have overlooked it | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:02 |
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| bakarat | there was a suggestion to build a lightweight http server for the nokia that could serve up the tiles maemo mapper needs and calculate routes etc, to run alongside maemo mapper (optionally) | 20:13 |
| bakarat | does anyone know if anyone is working on that? :> | 20:13 |
| bakarat | or if it is even feasible? (not sure if nokia n810 is powerful enough?) | 20:13 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_n810: On est dans une crise a la japonaise... Et ca je peux pas le saké | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | bakarat: don't see the point of generating the tiles for maemo mapper in html format, and then having an html interpreter to show them | 20:21 |
| bakarat | crashanddie, well the benefit of serving it up as http is so maemo mapper itself does not need to be altered | 20:22 |
| bakarat | then you can have a more modular system | 20:22 |
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| crashanddie | eh? | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | Maemo doesn't need to be altered? | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | s/Maemo/mapper/ | 20:25 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: mapper doesn't need to be altered? | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | don't understand what you mean by that | 20:25 |
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| ThatOneGuy | doesn anyone know why I get 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6.686/build: No such file or directory. Stop' when trying to compile in scratchbox? | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | Compiling a module? | 20:28 |
| ThatOneGuy | yes | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Point it to the diablo kernel sources | 20:29 |
| ThatOneGuy | actually it's the one you put up a while ago, rtl8187 | 20:29 |
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| ThatOneGuy | I'm trying to compile for bora | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I haven't actually touched those in a while :/ | 20:29 |
| ThatOneGuy | I know lol | 20:29 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm actually really lazy, what I do is apt-get source kernel-source-diablo (I don't know the bora equivalent sorry) and go into it and do make nokia_2420_defconfig and then just plain make and I then just make symlinks to the compiled kernel source wherever the module is looking for the sources | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | You can just edit the Makefiles manually but it's a bit tedious once to start to compile more than one module or if there are many Makefiles | 20:32 |
| ThatOneGuy | I was just about to say that | 20:32 |
| RST38h | http://curiousexpeditions.org/?p=78 | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 20:33 |
| ThatOneGuy | does 'mach-omap1' sound right for the kernel headers? | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | no, you have got omap2 | 20:34 |
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| ThatOneGuy | are you sure? my 770 says 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 20:37 |
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| qwerty12 | ah, you're using an hacker edition, I have no idea regarding them then :/ | 20:38 |
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| ThatOneGuy | ah crap | 20:39 |
| ThatOneGuy | well thanks, I'll keep messing around and see what happens | 20:39 |
| RST38h | ah, it is 770...omap1 it is then | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | IT WORKS AGAIN! | 21:10 |
| * lcuk sprays you all | 21:10 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | IT = ? :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | my water jet thingy on my car | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hah :D | 21:12 |
| lcuk | meeting in one hour? | 21:12 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 21:15 |
| lcuk | by eck X-Fade ello, did you have a good xmas break? | 21:15 |
| X-Fade | Hi Gary. Sure, I had a nice time. | 21:16 |
| lcuk | did santa claus bring you anything nice? | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Although the maemo.org mail breaking puzzled me for a while.. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | we just put it down to you being afk - its the usual thing | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | A Hurricane 550 heli ;) | 21:17 |
| lcuk | NICE! have you had a chance to fly it yet, or do you have to wait a few months | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | No, it was SpamAssassin that had a socket which died.. (spamd) | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | I have gotten a pair of gloves with the tips of the fingers cut off ;) | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | So I can fly at near 0 temperatures ;) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | heh snow flying will be extra cool | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | Nah, high power and snow doesn't mix.. | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | 24v 3300mah can give nice fireworks.. | 21:19 |
| lcuk | so is it in kit form? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | yeah, so dont crash it ;) | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | No I didn't get the kit, got it second hand for a great price. | 21:20 |
| lcuk | yeah, loads of copters just sit there, people get scared of crashing them | 21:21 |
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| X-Fade | But I have flown it about 15 times now, really a monster. | 21:21 |
| * lcuk hasnt fired his up since rebuilding after an accident | 21:21 | |
| X-Fade | 120cm blade disk.. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | plus i got this little nokia thing | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | I plan to use my N95 as cam for it :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | yeah, well you need that to allow decent 3d control - im surprised a little though, thats v close to petrol size | 21:22 |
| lcuk | :D w00t | 21:22 |
| lcuk | if you get hold of a prototype you could demo the raw power of the omap3 at the next summit | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | Heh, well I'm sure I won't have it in my hands before you guys do :) | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | when i was flying mine i thought about making some sort of computer assisted stability unit | 21:24 |
| lcuk | have you flown a real copter? | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | Well, you can use a 3-axis gyro and add some cool logic to control it.. | 21:24 |
| * lcuk would love to | 21:24 | |
| X-Fade | No, I haven't. Would love it too, but that is very costly.. | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | at present you are the bio "cool logic unit" :D | 21:25 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, although that is cool too. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | yeah, for anything more than a taster it gets silly | 21:25 |
| lcuk | have you got more RC units then? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | and what does mrs x-fade think of them | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I bought here a dog ;) So I have some credits left.. | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | *her | 21:26 |
| lcuk | a radio controlled dog? | 21:27 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | No a real one.. | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | my son got one of these flapping wing RC units from relatives this year, only a toy but impressive in scale and design - there was a time they said we couldnt get beating wing RC units due to weight | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | The Robinson R22 seems to be the most affordable heli for real flights. _only_ 240k usd ;) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, was at an indoor fly-in this weekend. Somebody brought a bird like rc unit there too. | 21:30 |
| X-Fade | Pretty fun. | 21:30 |
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| X-Fade | http://www.robinsonheli.com/pdf_files/r22_pricelist_july_2008.pdf ;) | 21:30 |
| dneary | hi | 21:31 |
| lcuk | heh, thats a fully encapsulated one, you can get them smaller with contra rotating | 21:31 |
| lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LdQwTOef4_g&NR=1 | 21:32 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, that thing can chop your head off easily ;) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | they aren't called choppers for nothing ;) | 21:34 |
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| r2d2rogers | ~seen texrat | 21:41 |
| infobot | r2d2rogers: i haven't seen 'texrat' | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't think he goes on irc.. | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | Haven't seen him here.. | 21:42 |
| r2d2rogers | cool | 21:42 |
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| r2d2rogers | just trying to think of where I might contact him... I'm not good at waiting patiently some times ;0) | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pm | 21:42 |
| r2d2rogers | did,, after email day before yesterday | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moo | 21:55 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: 1232 UTC today | 21:56 |
| X-Fade | Great news. What are you doing here then :) | 21:57 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: watching a Spider-man cartoon with the toddler before bed | 21:57 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Don't feel obligated to hang around here.. really. | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | -> #maemo-meeting | 22:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | any working optional smb browser for maemo | 22:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 22:07 |
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| dneary | RST38h: maemo-community mailing list is a great place to make suggestions on the site desig | 22:13 |
| RST38h | dneary: I already made suggestions from the very beginning of this discussion. Have given up by now. | 22:14 |
| RST38h | dneary: The mockup is basically not going to work because in reality the amount of data that goes into 4 pictured equal-sized boxes is vastly different | 22:14 |
| RST38h | dneary: So, some of these boxes (Documentation and Reference) will be small (1/4 of browser window) scrolling windows made up of dozens of lines. Others will only contain 4-5 entries | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | dneary: I suggested a different, much simpler mockup before, that allows for much easier expansion (although not endless, of course). There is a link to my mockup from appropriate bug trackers in bugzilla | 22:16 |
| dneary | RST38h: Please don't give up - I have solicited feedback on the various drafts & designs & not gotten much | 22:17 |
| RST38h | dneary: Right now, I do not believe that anyone will listen, sorry | 22:17 |
| dneary | I don't want to get showered with criticism when the page goes live and have you say "told you so" - if you have changes to suggest, please suggest them | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | dneary: As I said, the current mockup in that Wiki page is unworkable | 22:18 |
| dneary | But if you don't believe that, then don't expect anyone to listen when it's gone live & you complain either | 22:18 |
| RST38h | dneary: It does not take into account the amount of links that will have to go into each of those windows | 22:18 |
| dneary | Why? What's wrong with it? What's missing? What is there that shouldn't be.? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | dneary: See my comments above (I said what is wrong twice) | 22:19 |
| dneary | What links should be on the page that aren't there now? | 22:19 |
| dneary | Because what's there is what will be on the main site if you don't suggest otherwise | 22:20 |
| RST38h | mmm...ok, one more time | 22:20 |
| dneary | And - sorry to say this - but I'm in a meeting at the same time, the mailing list is really the best place for this discussion | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Sorry, I will | 22:21 |
| dneary | Perhaps you could give me the bug number for your simpler extensible mock-up also, please? | 22:21 |
| RST38h | Yes, a moment | 22:21 |
| dneary | thanks | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3972 | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Ok, I will now try to explain one more time what is wrong with the current proposal. I will do it interactively because otherwise it does not seem to work | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Please, refer to this mockup: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Development_wireframe.png - do you see 4 square windows at the middle? | 22:25 |
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| anidel | hi everyone | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi anidel | 22:28 |
| anidel | is the meeting still on ? | 22:28 |
| anidel | hi qwerty | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 22:28 |
| anidel | ok joining | 22:28 |
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| RST38h | Oh, well, I guess it wasn't worth it. | 22:31 |
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| Andrewfblack | do any of the other browsers people are working on run ajax any faster then standard one? | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: You probably want a WebKit based browser | 23:05 |
| RST38h | There is Tear and another project that runs WebKit engine inside MicroB | 23:06 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 prefers browser-ui one but can't wait for Tear to be a bit more stable so I can tell browser-ui & browserd to fuck off | 23:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, bug #943 kind of exploded | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Rotation one is the one that is fucking me right off atm | 23:10 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, there must be a better way to fix this. | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, well, did you really expect any other answer? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, yes. | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:11 |
| X-Fade | Maybe we can talk with kontori about it? | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Nokia's new found direction would certainly make it feel like it should've been the opposite | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we've still got a lot of the old ways left to overcome | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Things will be better with the Fremantle -> Harmattan transition, I'm sure. | 23:11 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm sure it will be better with Fremantle. But in the meanwhile we are stuck. And it seems like a long way off. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we're infinitely more agile than Nokia is and it's hard to keep it in perspective. | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Like I said, I do think it's unfair to ask Nokia for new features but it's bollocks imo when the feature has already been implemented by the community properly | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, s/Freemantle/Fremantle/g :P | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, well, they workflow isn't set up to be able to handle small enhancements like that. | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: There is a lot of certification etc going on before something is released. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Despite the fact that the patches have been tested extensively, and despite the fact that they've proven to be perfectly stable | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia will still need to do their own testing, and a lot more work besides just code integration. | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | But still, I really think we should be able to get this in. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, sadly, all that work for certification actually means zero in the real world. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Nokia's testing methods, apparently, suck. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Rotation patches will not affect any test results when not used | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But people like adobe etc need to sign off on it too. | 23:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So reviewing them, rolling them in, and releasing with the next update is a no brainer | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, Fair enough, I'm looking at it at face value (or rather the time it takes to run patch) :) | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | It is just very complicated. | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | Too complicated atm, let's hope that gets easier.. | 23:15 |
| X-Fade | Or if we could just put it in Extras without breaking, it would be ok too. | 23:15 |
| X-Fade | But that doesn't seem possible atm either. | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It would be a nightmare, jott has the right idea with a separate repo | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (yes, i am pro extras but there are times when separate repos work out best all-round) | 23:17 |
| X-Fade | I still think a community meta package is the way to go. | 23:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, I think that's a good direction | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of those resources are being put in Mer's more ambitious direction, though. | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tz1 messed things up though by uploading bluez-utils-test into extras, uploading xomap & kernel-diablo-flasher kinda makes me shudder :/ | 23:19 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: 'firmware' repos and app repos can be a different thing ;) | 23:21 |
| X-Fade | That sounds pretty sane.. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | How does Ubuntu handle patched up kernels and upgrades? | 23:22 |
| X-Fade | 'Provides' ? | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It'd work for me, but it's probably easier to upload rotation suuprt to extras when nokia stop providing updates | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/suuprt/support/ | 23:22 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: It'd work for me, but it's probably easier to upload rotation support to extras when nokia stop providing updates | 23:22 |
| Grackle | GeneralAntilles, compiling your own kernel the ubuntu way is a very simple process | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Grackle, I'm not talking compiling. | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | If Ubuntu ships an updated kernel, and you're using a patched kernel, how is the upgrade handled? (Assuming this is a real use-case, my experience with desktop Linux is extremely limited) | 23:30 |
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| Grackle | Oh, I'm not sure. You can lock your custom kernel packages if you don't want something else to be installed in their place, but that may not be necessary. | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It gets installed but it just adds an option to boot with the new kernel to the bootloader | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 23:32 |
| johnx | even normal upgrades result in more than one kernel choice to boot | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . food | 23:37 |
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| johnx | cofee (!) | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 23:38 |
| johnx | morning :) | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: is a meeting log up yet? | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harass X-Fade | 23:41 |
| b-man | hello, Stskeeps :) | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun AND productive. :P | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: <harass> log up yet? ;) (pretty please) | 23:41 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: #943 has gone mad, seemingly starting with Eero in #19 saying "offline's useful as some processes constantly ping the network" [my response would be "fix that brokenness"] | 23:45 |
| johnx | The RSS reader is among those b0rken processes, even in offline mode >_< | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | 'offline mode' makes sense, though | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it should not attempt network contact when 'offline' | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, which is clearly out of spec | 23:46 |
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| Jaffa | The concept of an always on device, with no standby, and complex processes managing it's wifi connectivity automatically - for best battery usage and user experience - is nice in theory... | 23:48 |
| * RST38h now starts seriously wondering what 943 is | 23:48 | |
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| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943 - quick standby mode | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, but in practice often results in less than optimal standby time. ;) | 23:48 |
| RST38h | Yea, brought it up | 23:48 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: aye | 23:48 |
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| * RST38h scratches his head: isn't this addable via a third party app? | 23:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | powerlaunch? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:50 |
| RST38h | probably something even simpler than that | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, if I could convince David to add some gconf hooks. :\ | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /etc/mce/mce.ini | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it is, the whole device will need to be restarted and the configfile re-read to make any settings changes. | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | General: umgh | 23:52 |
| RST38h | And there is *really* no way to place a little program that starts on device lock and send some dbus message turning wifi off? =) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | sends | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, /etc/mce/mce.ini | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The required functionality is all in mce | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | but there's no way to configure it easily | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so what's new Mer-wise? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, if we had gconf settings, it'd be as easy as putting together a control panel. | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mce should just be what it is in powerlaunch, a tiny daemon handling different states.. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | and rest being done in systemui like things | 23:55 |
| * RST38h wonders if The Tentacled One can be coerced into fixing mce.ini functionality | 23:55 | |
| RST38h | FOR GOOD. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | OHM should improve this | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, whatever, OHM. :P | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, not at this point. | 23:55 |
| RST38h | General: Notice the "for good" part =) | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe we can talk Nokia into building a gconf binary for us for a community edition. | 23:56 |
| RST38h | it was added there for a reason... | 23:56 |
| RST38h | General: you mean, mce binary | 23:56 |
| RST38h | because gconf (as storage mechanism) does not care | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/a gconf/a gconf-based mce/ | 23:56 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Maybe we can talk Nokia into building a gconf-based mce binary for us for a community edition. | 23:56 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, bashed my head against a wall with tzselect+zenity, looking at a proper 640x480 layout for a bit | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | found the sapwood? | 23:56 |
| johnx | yeah, works great in everything I've tested | 23:57 |
| RST38h | actually... | 23:57 |
| * qwerty12_N800 grins at the idea of patching the leaked, old mce source and uploading a patch to nokia | 23:57 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/nokia/bugzilla/ | 23:57 |
| RST38h | A good behaving Unix daemon is supposed to reread configuration on SIGHUP | 23:57 |
| RST38h | Is mce different? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, except that kind of behaviour is bound to give you trouble at some point in a future job application process.. | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | but while you're at it, check if it responds to HUP | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, qwerty12 is a gangster, he don't need no job. | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | look for signal() and sig* stuff | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah, not worth the trouble for an wontfix | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | suggestion for bug resolution "COMMUNITYSHOULDFIXIT" | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, ha, I'm just a boy with an extremely bad swearing habit.. | 23:59 |
| *** TrueJournals has joined #maemo | 23:59 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Or just FUCKOFF | 23:59 |
| TrueJournals | Bad time? | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | TrueJournals, context. :) | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | TrueJournals: nah, discussing bug resolution types | 23:59 |
| TrueJournals | Ah | 23:59 |
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