| oli | they want us to learn how to use vi :) | 00:01 |
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| GAN8001 | Oh, right, THAT'S why this guy is such a pain in the ass: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 | 00:01 |
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| zakkm | vi sucks on nokia though | 00:04 |
| GAN8001 | Works just fine for me. | 00:04 |
| alterego | Wow, he's angry. | 00:04 |
| GAN8001 | Better than nano. At least it doesn't segfault when searching | 00:04 |
| zakkm | *thinks the builtin email client works fine* | 00:05 |
| GAN8001 | alterego, it was that guy, I think, that started spamming insults at my inbox as a result of that bug. | 00:05 |
| alterego | I've not actually been using it to be honest :) | 00:05 |
| GAN8001 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3967 | 00:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Someone should tell him to actually try the modest with the latest ssu first :) | 00:06 |
| zakkm | anywhere here have a plankton with lower pt? ;p | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, feel free. :P | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, only if you agree to be my bodyguard first :P | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | Pfft | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | A gangbanger like you don't need no protection. :P | 00:09 |
| zakkm | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer#5277122369401603346 you guys know what background image that is? | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:10 |
| zakkm | what, seems to work well | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: some thing he found on some gnome site.. i think | 00:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i'm not seeing things, is maemo fremantle pre-alpha -really- not starting matchbox at af-sb-init? :P | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | You're blind now? | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | That may put a crimp in our Mer plans. . . . | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | i was talking to a guy the other day, who was blind, and wanted to go to college and study comp.sci | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | think it might actually be possible | 00:14 |
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| GAN8001 | Screen readers and braille. | 00:15 |
| GAN8001 | No problem at all. | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | together with LaTeX you can do nice looking math handins too :P | 00:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, did yerga's scrshots include the file chooser? | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/fremantlefilechooser.png | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | (you can use dpad on it) | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | or kinetic scrolling | 00:19 |
| lcuk | ping! | 00:20 |
| woglinde | pung | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brapp | 00:20 |
| * alterego wonders if fremantle will use sbox2 | 00:21 | |
| Stskeeps | alterego: maemo-sdk+ exists though | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | which is the future. when .. it.. manifests | 00:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've noticed it only goes to Diable 4.1.1 | 00:22 |
| cars__ | I am looking to clone the OS to external SD. What is the easiest way to do that? I have seen several ways on the forum. | 00:23 |
| alterego | cars__: read them all and see which one seems the easiest. | 00:23 |
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| alterego | It's on RC1 though, which has got to be promising :) | 00:27 |
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| cars__ | alterego, Yes, but I'm confused. The DEB looks the easiest, but apparently penguinbait isn't supporting it anymore. it seems like I would need to do the cloning, etc. every time Nokia pushes an OS update, correct? | 00:31 |
| alterego | I don't know, I have no idea what you're doing. | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | cars__: console-tools replace | 00:33 |
| cars__ | console-tools replaces the deb method? | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm think so | 00:37 |
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| sin18 | has anyone tried the titan theme, it seems the background image is greyed out (it was earlier using a great background) | 00:41 |
| cars__ | stskeeps: thanks. when partitioning, do you know if I can create a swap partition instead of using the OS's virtual memory feature? Or do they do the same thing? | 00:41 |
| `Mace | hm | 00:41 |
| `Mace | have to update my zimbra install | 00:42 |
| cars__ | sin18: I have it - I'll check | 00:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sin18, agreed, the old background was better so I extracted the background from the old deb | 00:42 |
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| sin18 | cars__, qwerty12_N800 : strange .... i thought it was a bug rather than the author's choice to use a different img | 00:43 |
| b-man | i'm having strange problems with fsck; | 00:44 |
| b-man | fsck.swap: not found | 00:44 |
| b-man | Error 2 while executing fsck.swap for /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | dont fsck a swap partition? | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | swap files are checked for errors? | 00:44 |
| cars__ | sin18: the background is looking OK for me, and I can change it. It looks like the same image as when I installed it. Maybe I didn't see the old image. | 00:46 |
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| sin18 | cars__ :if u r seeing the default grey img and havent seen the original img then i guess u dont know what u r missing :) | 00:47 |
| cars__ | Indeed :) | 00:48 |
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| `Mace | Stskeeps - :) i think i know why it was running like crap. i left an XP vm open | 00:51 |
| `Mace | it was still turned on and I hadn't noticed | 00:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: tslib fixed | 01:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | finally! | 01:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | by ubuntu-team or johnx? | 01:01 |
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| Stskeeps | me | 01:01 |
| zakkm | is it possible to do clone to sd yet with newest ssu? | 01:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: :) | 01:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: yes | 01:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | with pb:s console-tools | 01:04 |
| zakkm | sweet ill do that tonight then | 01:05 |
| zakkm | i got no free space messages from maemo ;p | 01:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | #mAeMo? | 01:10 |
| RST38h | elEeT | 01:10 |
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| zakkm | you guys know why my nokia only goes to about 15% progress.. and then reboots? | 01:11 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ! | 01:13 |
| RST38h | zakkm: it requires a sssssacrifice! | 01:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | tablet-wireless | 01:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 01:13 |
| zakkm | well it works unless i like hold power button | 01:13 |
| zakkm | which i think is really odd | 01:13 |
| zakkm | if i hold power button as its going, it works | 01:13 |
| zakkm | otherwise it doesnt | 01:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: do need for deblet packages anymore to get wlan? | 01:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/do/no/ | 01:14 |
| infobot | Meiz_n810 meant: Stskeeps: no need for deblet packages anymore to get wlan? | 01:14 |
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| RST38h | actually, I always hold the power button for a least a few seconds | 01:16 |
| zakkm | RST38h: during progress bar | 01:16 |
| zakkm | not turning on nokia | 01:16 |
| zakkm | during maemo progress bar .. if i dont the tablet freezes and reboots | 01:17 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 01:18 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:18 |
| andre__ | GAN8001, pong | 01:19 |
| RST38h | during progress bar, yes | 01:20 |
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| RST38h | What is the name of that pira^H^H^Hfilesharing service from Nokia? | 01:22 |
| glass | mosh? | 01:23 |
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| RST38h | Yes, thanks! | 01:23 |
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| `Mace | blah | 01:26 |
| `Mace | goddamn zimbra | 01:26 |
| `Mace | they need to seriously fix the bug i reported | 01:26 |
| zakkm | anyone know a cheap bluetooth keyboard? | 01:28 |
| RST38h | Apple. | 01:29 |
| zakkm | it works? | 01:29 |
| RST38h | Yes. | 01:30 |
| Vulcanis | I have an iGo keyboard | 01:30 |
| Vulcanis | from... somewhere | 01:30 |
| RST38h | But please keep in mind that neither BT nor USB keyboards work very well. | 01:30 |
| RST38h | They lag. A lot. | 01:30 |
| woglinde | rst lol | 01:31 |
| woglinde | they may work or not | 01:31 |
| RST38h | a second or two lag makes it unusable for me - I type fast =( | 01:31 |
| RST38h | BTW, another salivation subject: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/12/12-28-08vaiop.jpg | 01:32 |
| RST38h | And, of course, NYTimes uncovers The Terrible Truth: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/28digi.html?_r=1 (no, nothing will change) | 01:34 |
| zakkm | dang | 01:35 |
| zakkm | i want to be able to type assignments and stuff | 01:35 |
| zakkm | would mplayer-plugin work? :) | 01:36 |
| zakkm | on microb? | 01:36 |
| RST38h | for typing assignments? no. | 01:36 |
| zakkm | :( | 01:37 |
| zakkm | i wanted to be able to be in skool .. have my keyboard out and type | 01:37 |
| zakkm | in like leafpad or something | 01:37 |
| RST38h | It is possible but very laggy | 01:37 |
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| RST38h | You will have to get used to not looking at the screen | 01:37 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:37 |
| zakkm | that sucks | 01:38 |
| zakkm | no development stuff being done on it? | 01:38 |
| RST38h | there is a bug filed in bugzilla but it is being ignored at the moment | 01:38 |
| b-man | are you talking to me? | 01:38 |
| zakkm | b-man ? | 01:38 |
| zakkm | wow youtube.com is playable? | 01:39 |
| zakkm | i always thought that was a big problem for the tablets | 01:39 |
| woglinde | hm nokia has a deal with adobe | 01:39 |
| RST38h | not if you do it carefully | 01:39 |
| woglinde | so they got the falsyplayer compiled for arm | 01:39 |
| woglinde | flashplayer | 01:39 |
| woglinde | I hope the got 10 for remantle | 01:39 |
| zakkm | hardware acceleration :) | 01:40 |
| RST38h | if you have got more than one flash object on a page, it usually sends browserd into a fit | 01:40 |
| b-man | @ zakkm; youtube isn't so bad for me - do you have vertual memory enabled? | 01:40 |
| zakkm | yes i do | 01:40 |
| b-man | hmm | 01:40 |
| RST38h | flashplayer performance actually does not have much to do with hw acceleration | 01:40 |
| zakkm | i know but isnt that what 10 was suppose to bring | 01:41 |
| zakkm | i know 9 supposely has but yeah | 01:41 |
| RST38h | mmm...I do not thikn it has anything to do with our flashplayer, sorry | 01:41 |
| RST38h | Maemo flashplayer busyloops for timing. That is what causes performance problems | 01:41 |
| zakkm | should have mplayer-plugin :) | 01:42 |
| RST38h | anyways, sleep time. | 01:42 |
| zakkm | mplayer-plugin sounds like a nice idea :) | 01:43 |
| b-man | i believe we allrety have a plugin - i think.... | 01:44 |
| zakkm | the mplayer browser plugin | 01:44 |
| b-man | yah :) | 01:44 |
| zakkm | to make youtube use mplayer instead of adobe flash? | 01:44 |
| zakkm | mplayer could run it very easily / low cpu usage ;p | 01:45 |
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| b-man | kmplayer is good with youtube... | 01:45 |
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| zakkm | but thats a seperate program .. | 01:45 |
| zakkm | mplayerplugin will replace flash.. .on sites | 01:45 |
| zakkm | and use mplayer to do the playback | 01:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12_N800: #mAeMo? | 01:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, i was bored when entering automaic join settings in xchat :-) | 01:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 01:47 |
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| b-man | it looks like someone stole Stskeeps username over at DeviantArt; http://stskeeps.deviantart.com/ | 01:49 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 grumbles as he tries to get oidentd to play nice with his tablet + router | 01:55 | |
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| b-man | @qwerty12_N800; lol | 02:11 |
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| b-man | how was the restore? | 02:12 |
| b-man | lol | 02:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Pretty much normal, I was lucky I had a recent backup :) | 02:13 |
| b-man | that was close ;) - i've done that before - didn't turn out well. | 02:14 |
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| b-man | http://qwerty12.deviantart.com/ | 02:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Heh | 02:16 |
| b-man | http://b-man16.deviantart.com/ | 02:16 |
| b-man | lol | 02:16 |
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| crashanddie | b-man, seriously | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | b-man, so many mistakes in so little text? | 02:41 |
| b-man | what? | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | your deviantart profile | 02:41 |
| b-man | no! | 02:41 |
| b-man | that's someone else!!!!! | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | "IornMan" | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | ah | 02:42 |
| b-man | no!!!!!! | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | good then | 02:42 |
| * alterego works on a new sb2 based studio VM :) | 02:43 | |
| b-man | http://maemo.deviantart.com/ - lol | 02:45 |
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| GAN8001 | andre__, it was something else previously, but now I want to know if we can just put David on the 3-strike program. | 03:33 |
| andre__ | heh | 03:34 |
| GAN8001 | It was him that sent those insane emails, wasn't it? | 03:36 |
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| pupnik | seen the linux-powered humanoid robot? i-sobot? | 04:34 |
| pupnik | is cheap | 04:36 |
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| Mousey | urls? or it didn't happen | 04:36 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6bZxFUz0E | 04:41 |
| pupnik | runs Angstrom Mousey | 04:41 |
| Mousey | meh | 04:44 |
| b-man | it's a toy..... | 04:45 |
| b-man | :/ | 04:46 |
| pupnik | yeah | 04:46 |
| Mousey | angstrom linux is cool tho | 04:52 |
| Mousey | i don't consider it a robot if it has a remote control. =) | 04:52 |
| cjdavis | hi, I'm wondering if anybody can help me. I've run into troubles installing a couple of packages - avahi-daemon is one - with errors such as | 04:56 |
| cjdavis | invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon" | 04:56 |
| cjdavis | invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon" | 04:56 |
| cjdavis | these happen in the postinst script - but if I try calling invoke-rc.d at the cmd line, it fails as well. Anybody familiar with this? | 04:56 |
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| b-man | cjdavis; did you have havahi-daemon installed before? try rm -f /etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon, run the install again, and see if that helps. | 05:03 |
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| cjdavis | I've tried that, but it still fails - | 05:08 |
| cjdavis | because it's the call to invoke-rc.d that fails - | 05:09 |
| cjdavis | I've found a reference to this same error in forums with people trying to install other daemon packages - httpd I think for one, let me find the link | 05:09 |
| cjdavis | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613 | 05:10 |
| cjdavis | I ended up doing that - commenting out the actual tests for the symbolic link - and now it worked | 05:11 |
| cjdavis | the tests in invoke-rc.d I mean. running invoke-rc.d from a bash shell gives the exact same errors. | 05:12 |
| cjdavis | the funny part, I tried copying those lines into a do nothing test script and it worked aok, even testing against the exact same rc.d symbolic links that fail in the invoke script! | 05:12 |
| cjdavis | so I guess I should just pursue this by filing a bug against mini-rc, which is the package invoke-rc.d is from | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 05:40 |
| pupnik | file bug cjdavis | 05:41 |
| cjdavis | k | 05:41 |
| cjdavis | um, dumb question: where? | 05:42 |
| cjdavis | maemo.org? | 05:42 |
| cjdavis | ah i found the bugzilla i think | 05:42 |
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| cjdavis | hmm. looking at the package info, it seems that mini-rc is a replacement for initscripts? | 05:48 |
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| pupnik | i don't know this, sorry can't help | 05:49 |
| cjdavis | ok. there really isn't any kind of package database like packages.debian.org is there? | 05:50 |
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| pupnik | cjdavis: there are searchable indexes exposed through web pages | 05:55 |
| pupnik | dunno about a manifest | 05:55 |
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| cjdavis | I know about http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php but what others are there? | 06:06 |
| Vulcanis | I think thats the best one | 06:08 |
| Vulcanis | I thikn theres also one at maemo.org | 06:08 |
| cjdavis | it seems like the application manager program is next to useless | 06:10 |
| cjdavis | ie, I try to search for avahi while browsing installable apps, nothing | 06:10 |
| cjdavis | apt-get search avahi returns like 20 packages. | 06:11 |
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| * mira inunda de ~~~~~~~~ saludos a la gente linda de #maemo | 06:12 | |
| mira | ]hello|| | 06:13 |
| cjdavis | hello | 06:13 |
| mira | ]how are you?|| | 06:13 |
| cjdavis | irritated by not having aptitude. | 06:14 |
| b-man | i wonder why nobody has tryed compiling aptitude for maemo.... | 06:16 |
| cjdavis | dunno, it sure would make it easy to navigate around these dependencies and such. | 06:16 |
| mira | ]who are maemo?|| | 06:17 |
| cjdavis | however, I can confirm that I dont want to replace mini-rc with initscripts | 06:17 |
| cjdavis | i think it will basically remove every package on the system. | 06:17 |
| mira | ]sorry|| | 06:17 |
| mira | ]i have a problem|| | 06:18 |
| mira | ]i´m spanish|| | 06:18 |
| cjdavis | maemo is an embedded operating system for internet tablet devices - Linux | 06:18 |
| mira | ]and don´t understand|| | 06:18 |
| mira | ]very fene|| | 06:18 |
| mira | ]ok|| | 06:18 |
| mira | ]is wiht ubuntu|| | 06:18 |
| mira | ]?|| | 06:18 |
| cjdavis | actually, I think the Ubuntu Mobile Internet Device (MID) Edition is based on maemo in some way | 06:20 |
| cjdavis | is that right? | 06:20 |
| b-man | it uses hildon.. | 06:20 |
| b-man | and some of the api's... | 06:20 |
| GAN800 | cjdavis, the Application Manager only exposes user-visible packages. | 06:21 |
| b-man | so in a way, kinda ;) | 06:21 |
| GAN800 | and aptitude sucks on 800x480 | 06:21 |
| GAN800 | packages.maemo.org is more or less planned. | 06:22 |
| cjdavis | and so do thumb keyboards when I'm sitting at home, so I just ssh into it | 06:22 |
| cjdavis | with bash and a bunch of terminals.. its all good | 06:22 |
| cjdavis | GAN800, packages.. cool.. | 06:23 |
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| Navimaster | Hi everyone | 06:59 |
| Navimaster | I need some help | 06:59 |
| Navimaster | anyone here? | 06:59 |
| Navimaster | please, i really need help setting up the screen rotation on my n800 | 07:01 |
| cjdavis | huh, I don't think I've seen anything about that | 07:02 |
| Navimaster | screen rotation? | 07:02 |
| mouser- | I've heard of screen rotation. | 07:03 |
| Navimaster | can you help me set it up? | 07:04 |
| Navimaster | I got all the files to set it up but one of them isn't working, it says "Incompatible Application Package" | 07:04 |
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| mouser- | Apparently there is a kernel patch you need to apply to get it to work. I'll check to see if I can find it in the wiki. | 07:04 |
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| Navimaster | awesome, thanks | 07:04 |
| cjdavis | i found this: www.sse2.net/rotate | 07:04 |
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| Navimaster | yeah thats where I'm trying to do | 07:04 |
| Navimaster | *what | 07:05 |
| cjdavis | procedure looks easy, but potentially dangerous | 07:05 |
| Navimaster | the osso software rx*4 unlocked doesn't install for my n800 | 07:05 |
| Navimaster | it returns as "Incompatible Application Package" | 07:05 |
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| cjdavis | both the rx44 and rx34? from that link? | 07:06 |
| Navimaster | yup | 07:06 |
| Navimaster | tried both | 07:06 |
| GAN800 | Navimaster, apt-get install rotation-support-n810 | 07:06 |
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| GAN800 | Navimaster, _only_ use the package appropriate for your tablet. | 07:07 |
| Navimaster | apt-get install rotation-support-n810? | 07:09 |
| Navimaster | shouldn't it be n800 | 07:09 |
| GAN800 | Assuming you actually have an N810 | 07:09 |
| GAN800 | If you have an N800. . . . | 07:09 |
| Navimaster | I have an n800 not n810 | 07:09 |
| cjdavis | what repository is it in? extras? | 07:09 |
| Navimaster | yeah | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | No. | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | jott's repo | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | Not really appropriate for Extras | 07:10 |
| mouser- | GAN800, why is that? | 07:11 |
| cjdavis | sounds like something I'm not going to muck with until its part of the std install | 07:11 |
| cjdavis | cause you are reflashing the kernel image maybe? | 07:11 |
| GAN800 | mouser-, it's too late at night and this thumbboard is too slow for me to bother explaining. :) | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | cjdavis, no, not really. | 07:12 |
| Navimaster | how can I make this work? | 07:12 |
| cjdavis | :) | 07:12 |
| Navimaster | I need it to install the rest of the packages appropriately | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | Navimaster, apt-get install rotation-support-n800 | 07:12 |
| Navimaster | okay | 07:13 |
| mouser- | GAN800, That's understandable. :) Until then, I'll satisfy my curiosity by guessing it's because it's alpha quality and/or too much of a hack to be in extras. Or because it messes with the kernel. | 07:15 |
| Navimaster | Alright now it says... | 07:15 |
| Navimaster | Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Couldn't find package rotation-support-n800 | 07:16 |
| GAN800 | mouser-, mostly it's packaging. The patches themselves are perfectly stable. | 07:16 |
| Vulcanis | hey... | 07:17 |
| Vulcanis | is rotation support actually useful? | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | outpo.st/rotate | 07:17 |
| Vulcanis | I haven't thought of a use for it other than ebooks | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | Vulcanis, entirely dependent on your use-case. | 07:17 |
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| GAN800 | Navimaster, outpo.st/rotate, tap the .install, then apt-get install rotation-support-n800 | 07:18 |
| Navimaster | Alright, I am installing. | 07:18 |
| Navimaster | Now it says | 07:18 |
| Navimaster | Unable to install | 07:19 |
| Navimaster | Conflicting application packages | 07:19 |
| mouser- | Vulcanis: Have you seen the screenshots (http://www.sse2.net/rotate/)? It looks fairly useful to me. Although, if you only use it for e-books, FBreader has rotation support built-in | 07:19 |
| GAN800 | h-a-m will bitch, ignore it and apt-get | 07:19 |
| Navimaster | k | 07:20 |
| Navimaster | k got it to install via xterm | 07:21 |
| Navimaster | thanks so much! | 07:21 |
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| Navimaster | Argh | 07:29 |
| Navimaster | how come I can't install the other packages now? | 07:30 |
| Navimaster | Incompatible Application Package for the patched xserver-xomap and diablo flasher | 07:30 |
| Navimaster | wont let me install them | 07:31 |
| Navimaster | anyone here? | 07:38 |
| cjdavis | kinda, but dunno I can help | 07:39 |
| cjdavis | what are you entering for apt-get, and whats theoutput? | 07:39 |
| Navimaster | i'm not using apt-get, just installing from memory card | 07:41 |
| Navimaster | tried to install xserver-xomap patch but it says Incompatible Application Package in the manager | 07:41 |
| cjdavis | so are you trying to do this from the application manager, not from the command line with apt-get or dpkg or whatever? | 07:42 |
| Navimaster | lol nevermind | 07:43 |
| Navimaster | just used the command line with dpkg and it worked | 07:43 |
| Navimaster | sorry, i just got my nokia yesterday, lol | 07:43 |
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| cjdavis | np. I've found the app manager to be pretty dumbed down. if you have to use it, you can look in the menu->tools->log for a little more descriptive logging | 07:44 |
| Navimaster | thanks | 07:45 |
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| Navimaster | Well, it works | 07:56 |
| Navimaster | but the on-screen keyboard is really screwed up | 07:56 |
| cjdavis | cool, ah | 07:56 |
| Navimaster | I have to go back to original mode to type | 07:56 |
| cjdavis | well, even if you had the n810, the keyboard would be screwed up.. ;) | 07:56 |
| Navimaster | and vertical mode for a more pleasant view of websites | 07:56 |
| cjdavis | is the text big enough to read? | 07:57 |
| Navimaster | so as opposed to one mode, I have two modes now, though only one can be used to type correctly :D | 07:57 |
| Navimaster | yeah | 07:57 |
| Navimaster | the menus are good, everything is perfect, except the keyboard lol | 07:57 |
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| pupnik | no virtual keyboard yet for rotated mode? | 07:59 |
| Navimaster | more like a virtual cramped-up-so-much-to-fit-the-screen-that-its-useless keyboard on rotated mode | 08:00 |
| mouser- | No, but I imagine it would be so small as to not be useful | 08:00 |
| mouser- | There is a vertical keyboard that might be helpful | 08:00 |
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| Navimaster | But hey, its beautiful to browse the internet in fullscreen now. | 08:01 |
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| Navimaster | just have to change modes in-between if you want to type. | 08:01 |
| mouser- | It's not a QWERTY layout, but it would fit nicer. I can find it if you're interested. | 08:01 |
| Navimaster | sure, I'd appreciate it | 08:01 |
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| mouser- | Alright, checking now. | 08:04 |
| Navimaster | ugh what the--, control menu isn't rotated-mode either | 08:04 |
| Navimaster | pretty useless control panel if you can only see one side | 08:04 |
| Navimaster | so i guess you also have to change back to normal mode to modify control panel/settings | 08:05 |
| mouser- | It's called Xkbd. | 08:06 |
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| mouser- | Navimaster, pupnik: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=160274&postcount=248 | 08:07 |
| Navimaster | alright i'm gonna try it see how it goes | 08:08 |
| Navimaster | hold on | 08:08 |
| pupnik | i like landscape mode for websites | 08:09 |
| pupnik | they really want 800pix width | 08:09 |
| Navimaster | me too, which is why i got it | 08:10 |
| pupnik | screen-rotate gives 'portrait' mode, not 'landscape' | 08:10 |
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| Navimaster | oh | 08:10 |
| Navimaster | some apps work great with portrait mode | 08:11 |
| Navimaster | some dont | 08:11 |
| mouser- | Landscape is what you usually see on the tablets. | 08:11 |
| Navimaster | man canola works great on portrait mode | 08:14 |
| Navimaster | except you cant search for anything because of the screwed up keyboard | 08:14 |
| Navimaster | I'm gonna try it with Xkbd. | 08:15 |
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| Vulcanis | hmm, does anyone know how to fix the shitty dpad scroll? | 08:42 |
| Vulcanis | on the n800, dunno if 810 has it | 08:42 |
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| mouser- | Is anyone here using EasyDebian? I'm encountering an error installing it. | 08:46 |
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| mouser- | Specifically, it seems to happen when extracting the TAR file (which is only 314MB), reporting a possible out of space error. I have downloaded it twice and increased the size of the partition, but still get the error. | 08:48 |
| Vulcanis | are you sure you're doing it to the right mmc? | 08:55 |
| mouser- | On the N810: The internal MMC has 0% free, the external has 3.2G free before the download. | 08:56 |
| Vulcanis | hm | 08:56 |
| Vulcanis | try clicking the /other/ button than you expect | 08:57 |
| mouser- | Vulcanis: Yes, as the internal SD doesn't have enough space to put the file. | 08:57 |
| Vulcanis | it might be like fsdisk where it somehow confuses the two | 08:57 |
| Vulcanis | no, I mean, it might say mmc1 and go to mmc2 | 08:57 |
| mouser- | I'll try that, but right now I'm shooting the tar over to the desktop to see if it's corrupted. | 08:58 |
| mouser- | It's about 1/3 copied. | 08:58 |
| mouser- | I did see an error in the console when it executed the tar command: "invalid option -j" | 08:59 |
| pupnik | console on tablet or PC? | 09:01 |
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| mouser- | pupnik: Console, or rather Xterm, on the tablet | 09:01 |
| pupnik | i've had problems with default 'tar' | 09:02 |
| pupnik | j is for bz2 compression | 09:02 |
| mouser- | pupnik: I'm just using the installer that came with EasyDebian. | 09:03 |
| pupnik | well i have no idea what this is about | 09:04 |
| mouser- | What EasyDebian is? | 09:04 |
| pupnik | maybe you can install to a partition on miniSD | 09:04 |
| pupnik | yeah | 09:04 |
| pupnik | from a card reader on the pc | 09:04 |
| pupnik | and boot to it with a multi-boot loader (fanoush's) | 09:04 |
| mouser- | No, it's a Debian image that is loaded on top of OS2008/Maemo's UI. It's not like Deblet, where it is more like a dual-boot. Here is the topic on ITT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272 | 09:06 |
| mouser- | The exact error message tar outputs is : "tar: invalid option -- j" | 09:08 |
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| mouser- | Vulcanis, pupnik: I have copied to the desktop successfully, and there are no errors in the tar. | 09:14 |
| Vulcanis | then put it on the mmc | 09:15 |
| Vulcanis | and run the debian chroot and it shoudl work | 09:15 |
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| mouser- | Vulcanis: Thanks, doing that now. | 09:20 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 09:36 |
| mouser- | morning aquatix | 09:37 |
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| ScreaminIke | you guys have been SUPER helpful so far, and i'm not trying to push my luck, but... anyone know how to get my bt kbd to type in dvorak? it's the last obstacle between me and deving on this. | 09:45 |
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| ScreaminIke | ... | 09:49 |
| aquatix | ScreaminIke: i gather you have a qwerty bt kb? | 09:55 |
| aquatix | do you use dvorak on linux? | 09:55 |
| aquatix | ScreaminIke: heh, at least there's a dvorak on-screen kb - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukeyboard/ | 09:57 |
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| aquatix | ScreaminIke: oh, this might be helpful: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-10/msg00096.html | 09:58 |
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| MaceN800 | hi | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:13 |
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| aquatix | ScreaminIke: there's a keyboard map in that link ^ | 10:21 |
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| RST38h | ehlo all | 10:26 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: how are things? | 10:54 |
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| zevolo | hi, question about alsa in maemo. it seems there is some limit to playback buffer to 1024 (can't snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min() more than 1024 ), where is code for the limitation? could it change to bigger? | 10:58 |
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| timeless | zevolo: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min ? | 10:59 |
| zevolo | o, timeless, thanks you. i will study it | 11:00 |
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| * timeless wonders what zevolo's native language is | 11:00 | |
| * timeless should be able to guess ... but having just woken up can't | 11:01 | |
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| zevolo | o, timeless, i have found the code, but i can't get the answer directly. | 11:07 |
| zevolo | snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, snd_pcm_uframes_t *val) | 11:07 |
| zevolo | snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(pcm, params, SND_TRY, SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE, &_val, NULL); | 11:07 |
| zevolo | _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(params, var, *val, dir ? *dir : 0); | 11:07 |
| timeless | um | 11:07 |
| zevolo | 427 if (hw_is_mask(var)) | 11:08 |
| zevolo | 428 changed = snd_mask_refine_min(hw_param_mask(params, var), val + !!openmin); | 11:08 |
| zevolo | 429 else if (hw_is_interval(var)) | 11:08 |
| zevolo | 430 changed = snd_interval_refine_min(hw_param_interval(params, var), val, openmin); | 11:08 |
| zevolo | now in the _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(), I don't know which branch will be invoked | 11:08 |
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| timeless | 4966 int snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, snd_pcm_uframes_t *val) | 11:12 |
| timeless | 4969 int err = snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(pcm, params, SND_TRY, SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE, &_val, NULL); | 11:12 |
| timeless | 446 int snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, | 11:12 |
| timeless | 447 snd_set_mode_t mode, | 11:12 |
| timeless | 448 snd_pcm_hw_param_t var, unsigned int *val, int *dir) | 11:12 |
| timeless | 466 err = _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(params, var, *val, dir ? *dir : 0); | 11:12 |
| timeless | 412 int _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, | 11:12 |
| timeless | 413 snd_pcm_hw_param_t var, unsigned int val, int dir) | 11:12 |
| timeless | 427 if (hw_is_mask(var)) | 11:12 |
| timeless | hw_is_mask is a link | 11:13 |
| timeless | var came from the second arg to _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min | 11:13 |
| timeless | which came from the 4th arg to snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | morning RST38h | 11:13 |
| timeless | which came from 4969 SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE | 11:13 |
| timeless | you can click on SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE and you can click on hw_is_mask | 11:13 |
| timeless | line 314 -- #defineSNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE((__force snd_pcm_hw_param_t) 17) /* Size of buffer in frames */ | 11:14 |
| timeless | ends up being the answer to one of them | 11:14 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/alsa-lib-1.0.14sa/src/pcm/pcm_params.c#65 | 11:14 |
| timeless | ends up answering the other | 11:14 |
| timeless | you really don't need anyone else | 11:14 |
| timeless | although you do need to be willing to click and think a bit | 11:14 |
| timeless | (not much thinking required, some clicking necessary) | 11:15 |
| zevolo | ok, thanks you timeless | 11:15 |
| timeless | otoh, i'm glad to see you followed a couple of links | 11:15 |
| timeless | that's a good start :) | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | moo, Sts, qwerty | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 11:33 |
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| * RST38h installed Chrome and run it for the first time, then quit it immediately in horror | 11:41 | |
| aquatix | hehe | 11:41 |
| aquatix | that bad? | 11:41 |
| RST38h | No, NOT what you think | 11:41 |
| aquatix | it took your IE homepage? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | goatse.cx as initial homepage? | 11:41 |
| RST38h | The browser is cool. But I seem to have forgotten with AdBlock-free web looks nowadays | 11:41 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 11:41 |
| aquatix | hahaha | 11:41 |
| aquatix | yeah :( | 11:42 |
| aquatix | that's horrible indeed | 11:42 |
| * qwerty12 *hates* chrome. crashes like shit, not much in features and like RST38h said, no adblock | 11:42 | |
| RST38h | Fucking shit...30+% of just about any page is taken by blinking, rotating, flashing, jumping crap | 11:42 |
| aquatix | RST38h: yep | 11:42 |
| aquatix | how people can put up with that is a mystery for me | 11:42 |
| RST38h | Is THAT supposed to make me buy something or what? | 11:42 |
| aquatix | i guess | 11:43 |
| aquatix | not helping | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, ah, not you but they could be targeting the people who respond to scams by email | 11:43 |
| RST38h | Or is it some shady plan to make internet users epileptic? | 11:43 |
| aquatix | i think the latter even | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hypnosis of the masses | 11:48 |
| RST38h | Sts: Be drug addicts. | 11:50 |
| RST38h | sorry, "by drug addicts" =) | 11:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone know why dbus-monitor hangs on the tablets? Effin annoying. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | iTT posters are still installing WinMobile on N810... | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | people are that desperate for PIM? :P | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: or maybe they are desperate for a 800x480 WinMobile device... | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Two possible causes: 1) it does not hang but is waiting for a message to monitor | 11:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Or 2) Something happened in mid-message so that dbus-monitor never received it to the end | 11:53 |
| RST38h | So it is basically waiting for that message to end | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, sounds right, but it should listen to my Ctrl+c ffs! :) | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | morning, X-Fade | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: You do not really know where it is waiting though ;) | 12:03 |
| RST38h | May be inside a kernel call or something | 12:03 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, yep, I have no idea what it is waiting on but when I've found the right dbus message that I wanted to see, I would like to press ctrl-c. But Ctrl-Z and then killall -9 dbus-monitor seems to be working too :) | 12:04 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:08 |
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| * RST38h found a way around annoying web ads that does not involve adblock ;) | 12:29 | |
| qwerty12 | hosts? :) | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: No! Bookmark the mobile version of the page :) | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, plus setting font to 16pt? :P | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | naah, the font is fine in most cases | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:35 |
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| * Stskeeps sits by idly waiting for a mer image to bake. | 13:24 | |
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| RST38h | "Over the past 30 years, however, research in comparative neuroanatomy clearly has shown that complex brains and sophisticated cognition have evolved from simpler brains multiple times independently in separate lineages" | 13:27 |
| RST38h | (it must be a virus!) | 13:27 |
| RST38h | or a parasite. | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, seen Doctor Who a few days ago? | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, are you deliberately trying to get me to vomit? :) | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | don't like Doctor Who? | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | nope :) | 13:31 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps: mer image, cool! | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, meh | 13:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: KILL THE DOCTOR! | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, yessir | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, "2008-10-27 (Monday):* qwerty12 shoves David Tennant in the retardis and pisses on the retardis and sets fire to it15:07" - should make my feelings clear :) | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, why don't you like it? | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, not liking a show is one thing, but you're like having a personal grudge against it | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | You seem to be intent on making me like it :) but no, I couldn't see the appeal of the show personally | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | but don't insult the actors just because it doesn't appeal to you then ;) | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, a bit too much but fun at the time :) | 13:36 |
| RST38h | crash <-- appears to be really insulted now | 13:36 |
| RST38h | in his best feelings, no doubt | 13:36 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: So, not even any of the original doctors? =) | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | hah | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, don't think I was around when the original one aired | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, you realise Doctor Who is the oldest show on TV right? | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | There's been 10 different doctors before David Tennant | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | actually, how old are you? | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | Didn't know that (but then again, Dr. Who isn't my favourite trivia subject) :) | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, 16 | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | so you were born in 92? | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 13:39 |
| RST38h | [state-of-factly] too young. | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | there was a doctor who movie that aired in 94 or 96 and which was quite below standards imho | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | it could be that you've been damaged by this flick as a small toddler | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | tell your parents they should return you for full exchange, you were damaged during the warranty period | 13:41 |
| * Jaffa liked the clips of the previous 9 in _The Next Doctor_ | 13:42 | |
| RST38h | crash: If you mean the one where the Doctor arrives to the States and is killed in the first 10 seconds of a movie, it was nto bad | 13:42 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, hah, bs | 13:42 |
| RST38h | s/nto/not | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, yup, that one | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, I have it, I just don't like it as much as the series | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | "Dr Who's most deadly enemies, the Daleks, have taken time off from taking over the universe to star in a porn film. Despite only being equipped with plungers, the croaky-voiced evildoers have been cast in an 18-rated film alongside three naked "disco babes"" | 13:43 |
| RST38h | Series also had its ups and downs | 13:43 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, sure | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, but the whole plot was a bit dodgy and just too hollywoodish | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, Paul McCann was hardly appealing as a Doctor, and the Master looked like he belonged in a Dracula flick | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, this one should make you laugh then ;) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8118/11005xd0.png | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, you know me too well :P | 13:57 |
| RST38h | crash: The original master also belonged to a dracula flick | 13:57 |
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| crashanddie | yeah well, if you're gonna make a movie, please make the fuck sure your casting director isn't an idiot, and that the props/make up department remember which movie they're working on | 13:58 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: omg | 14:03 |
| aquatix | rule 34 on Daleks | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, sure | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, there's actually a porn flick with daleks | 14:04 |
| aquatix | i don't want to know | 14:04 |
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| BULLE | hehe, dalek pr0n | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie wanks to it every night | 14:05 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: the goggles, they do nothing | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | ha | 14:05 |
| * aquatix quits this room ;) | 14:06 | |
| crashanddie | Well, last night I learned a few good tips about sonic screwdrivers and quantum disbalance, and in the process nearly ripped my cock off | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Do we have to know about it? | 14:06 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: tmi :P | 14:06 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie, the screwdriver was big enough to actually touch that area? | 14:07 |
| aquatix | seriously guys | 14:07 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:07 |
| aquatix | don't spoil that series for me | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, oh you're going to feel dirty next time you see the Doctor using his sonic screwdriver | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | :D :D :D | 14:08 |
| aquatix | thankfully he has female companions | 14:08 |
| aquatix | `but can it do...' `yes' | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, you seen the christmas special? | 14:09 |
| RST38h | but he never does it to them | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | your previous statement is actually quite wrong ;) | 14:09 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: the one from this christmas? not yet | 14:09 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: ah :) | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, and don't forget his history with Jack Harkness | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | or future | 14:09 |
| * aquatix missed it because of not being home then | 14:09 | |
| aquatix | crashanddie: oh lol | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | The Doctor is a man of science who does not discriminate between men and women | 14:10 |
| aquatix | butbutbut, that cute curly-haired woman then? :) | 14:10 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:10 |
| aquatix | neither does Jack | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | it's just that women gives better audience | 14:10 |
| * aquatix didn't watch torchwood yet btw | 14:10 | |
| crashanddie | s/gives/give/ | 14:10 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: it's just that women give better audience | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | it's not bad at all, I quite like it | 14:10 |
| * aquatix has downloaded it | 14:11 | |
| crashanddie | it takes some time to get used to Gwen's face | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | cuz at first you think she's butt-ugly | 14:11 |
| aquatix | i did see all of doctor who, except for the special this week | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | and then as the episodes go by she starts being prettier and prettier | 14:11 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | and it's funny if you watch Merlin, cuz she plays in that too | 14:11 |
| aquatix | heh | 14:12 |
| aquatix | didn't watch that one yet | 14:12 |
| aquatix | i heard it's nice though | 14:13 |
| aquatix | http://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/files/2008/01/myles.jpg <- whoa, huge pic | 14:13 |
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| Stslaptop | wb | 14:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks | 14:41 |
| * Stslaptop waits for 0.1 to unpack so he cacn test it | 14:42 | |
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| Andy80 | hi | 15:06 |
| solmumaha | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=253183&postcount=112 | 15:13 |
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| alterego | Okay, that's osso done. Now for libconic. | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | balls i cant make xchat look right, it lost its config settings and now im screwed cos you all look alien and foreign | 15:31 |
| GAN8001 | o_o | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | because your on windows :P | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/your/you're/ | 15:32 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: because you're on windows :P | 15:32 |
| lcuk | same effect would occur in linux you southern pipsqueek | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah yeah... | 15:32 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:32 |
| lcuk | good mornin | 15:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | afternoon lcuk :) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | it looks wrong | 15:32 |
| lcuk | its like after ive been to opticians | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | well i was up at 8am this mornin but it was too early so i collapsed again | 15:33 |
| lcuk | ahhhh, lucida console 10 | 15:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh I couldn't bring myself to focus @ the tablet's screen at 6:30am and stopped the alarm by removing the battery | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | you had an alarm set ? | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, I always have one set :) | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (don't always get up though at the time which my alarm is set for...) | 15:35 |
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| Stslaptop | alterego: osso, libconic.. what are you doing? ruby bindings? | 15:47 |
| alterego | Stslaptop: yes. | 15:47 |
| Stslaptop | ah | 15:48 |
| alterego | They're done now. Just packaging them. | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds interesting | 15:48 |
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| pupnik_ | awesome is more like it | 15:48 |
| alterego | :) | 15:48 |
| alterego | Hey pupnik_! | 15:48 |
| * Stskeeps is bored and reading old logs of #maemo | 15:49 | |
| pupnik_ | salaam alterego | 15:49 |
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| alterego | I've been pretty busy over the past couple of days pupnik_ ;) | 15:49 |
| solmumaha | Stskeeps: do some translating for me, that will kill an hour or so :) | 15:50 |
| alterego | Next is publishing hildon-desktop for desktop plugins. Just gonna clean up the source and add it to my new super-duper build/packaging system. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | solmumaha: well i'm waiting for a debootstrap :P and what translations? | 15:50 |
| alterego | But that is tomorrow, today I'm going to go into town and chillax. | 15:50 |
| alterego | I think I just need one more heart! | 15:51 |
| * Stskeeps is trying to catch as much Mer work before newyears | 15:51 | |
| solmumaha | Stskeeps: 15:17 < solmumaha> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=253183&postcount=112 | 15:51 |
| alterego | Wait, 3 should do it .. | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, dont believe a word of it | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | "Knots"? | 15:52 |
| solmumaha | http://nakkiboso.com/knots/ | 15:52 |
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| alterego | Okay, uploading libconic and libosso now. | 15:54 |
| orifice | I just finished setting up booting off the internal SD on my n810, but the external SD isn't mounted at boot now. Does it need to be in a specific format ? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | solmumaha: i wonder if there's a poedit/yaml/etc editor thing for maemo | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | that could be interesting, translate on the go | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | (.. for n810 users) | 15:55 |
| solmumaha | you only need a text editor for my app :) | 15:56 |
| solmumaha | it's just key: value | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | maemo.org login | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | Server Error // Object does not exist | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | Error 500 // maemo.org | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:55:26 +0200 | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.2 | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | timeless: ping | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | See if X-Fade is around? | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org is -really- falling apart now isn't it? :P | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | (during holidays) | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess it's just murphys law manifesting itself | 15:57 |
| pupnik_ | maybe God is telling me that I have more important things to do | 15:58 |
| pupnik_ | bbl.. | 15:58 |
| alterego | solmumaha: osso and conic are now online :) | 15:58 |
| solmumaha | and it works! | 15:59 |
| alterego | ;) | 15:59 |
| alterego | what does? | 15:59 |
| * alterego doesn't know if _anything_ /works/ :) | 15:59 | |
| solmumaha | knots does | 15:59 |
| solmumaha | thank you! | 16:00 |
| lcuk | knots does not not work? | 16:02 |
| solmumaha | that too | 16:02 |
| orifice | does maemo use fstab to do automounting of the mmc cards ? | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | no, ke-recv | 16:03 |
| orifice | On boot, I get a complaint the the memory card is corrupted, but I'm able to mount it manually (external mmc on n810) | 16:06 |
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| orifice | I'm not sure where I should be looking to fix this | 16:07 |
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| MaceN800 | hi | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | it will say it's corrupted if it cannot mount the first partition of the MMC as FAT | 16:07 |
| MaceN800 | xchat isnt too bad | 16:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | xchat is the shit :) | 16:09 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 16:09 |
| MaceN800 | i think the last time i used it was like 7 yrs ago | 16:10 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you love the xchat | 16:10 |
| MaceN800 | it's gotten better | 16:10 |
| orifice | Stskeeps: will this prevent mounting of the rest of the mmc as anything else ? | 16:10 |
| alterego | So solmumaha the new packages are working fine for you? | 16:10 |
| orifice | (automatically) | 16:10 |
| MaceN800 | works pretty good on n800 | 16:10 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: yes, need to some more testing, but seems to work perfectly so far | 16:11 |
| MaceN800 | although i dont know how you're supposed copy/paste txt | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, for sure, I used to use mirc in windows before I had a tablet & when I saw xchat on the tablets, I immediately uninstalled mirc :) | 16:11 |
| alterego | Awesome | 16:11 |
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| orifice | pidgin works as a pretty good irc client as well if you're using other protocols | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | MaceN800, to copy, highlight text. to paste, use the option on the soft keyboard | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pidgin + irc don't mix imo | 16:12 |
| MaceN800 | oh | 16:12 |
| MaceN800 | i hate pidgin | 16:12 |
| alterego | I doubt I'll get extras access until the new year though. Which is a bit of a pain. | 16:12 |
| orifice | what kind of problems did you have ? | 16:12 |
| alterego | Still, it'll give me something new to blog about when it does happen ^_^ | 16:12 |
| orifice | It's a bit of a hog, but I've never had any complaints | 16:12 |
| MaceN800 | as far as maemo goes.. i like sticking to the stock stuff whenever possible | 16:13 |
| alterego | Yeah, shame rtcomm is buggered .. | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The interface never suited me re irc and i used emesene for msn anyway :/ | 16:13 |
| orifice | yeah ... | 16:13 |
| solmumaha | alterego: i'm in no hurry, gives me time to prepare | 16:13 |
| MaceN800 | modest got better | 16:14 |
| MaceN800 | less buggy | 16:14 |
| MaceN800 | claws works a little better w/ imap tho | 16:14 |
| MaceN800 | why doesnt modest map the sent folder to the imap server instead of keeping them locally? | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's modest. | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:15 |
| MaceN800 | haha | 16:15 |
| MaceN800 | it's not too bad anymore.. claws is still better tho | 16:16 |
| MaceN800 | most of the stock stuff isnt too bad | 16:17 |
| MaceN800 | wish cups was integrated into maemo tho | 16:17 |
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| MaceN800 | and wish there were office apps that didnnt suck | 16:18 |
| * Stskeeps is waiting on a very slow imager. | 16:19 | |
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| svaemo | Hi maemo folks. Iam having trouble to set up a proxy setting. I found the tab for setting up a proxy (http://wiki.maemo.org/Ad_blocking#Privoxy) but the connection doesnt work. Browser just says the connection stucks. Empty document. Accessing the proxy from another webbrowser in the net works though. Iam running out of ideas. | 16:19 |
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| svaemo | Iam trying to set up a "external" proxy running on the local internet router. | 16:20 |
| pupnik_ | i've used privoxy but not from a tablet | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, bug #3373 is calling you :) | 16:25 |
| svaemo | i neeeeeed some kind of ad and script blocking. i want privoxy for this, i tried adblock plus but it makes microb crash and is too slow | 16:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you should use a hosts file + a usercontent.css. brontide has a deb which will get the hosts file for you and clean it up and a usercontent.css pack | 16:26 |
| alterego | Right, I'm off out into the town to do some shopping and stuff. Later folks. | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Bye :) | 16:28 |
| solmumaha | bye | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: looking at it | 16:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | can't see why it's being held back anyway :/ | 16:29 |
| * RST38h wonders. | 16:32 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: added comment | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you should weigh in too | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | with technical experiences | 16:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'll do so when I'm behind a keyboard :) | 16:35 |
| svaemo | hmm, the local privoxy proxy works. the external proxy server not. :-/ | 16:36 |
| pupnik_ | mhm | 16:38 |
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| svaemo | i tried with nmap. the port is reachable | 16:39 |
| svaemo | now having a privoxy is good at all | 16:40 |
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| svaemo | thanks and bye | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know how to get ntpd to actually update the clock on maemo (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openntpd/) it runs but constantly tells me i'm 90 seconds out of sync | 16:51 |
| lcuk | i cant get it to actually fix the problem | 16:51 |
| woglinde | hm there is this liblocation thing | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's supposed to run automatically but I think someone suggested ''ntpd -s" | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | ntp clients on Linux won't change the clock at all if it's too far out. | 16:53 |
| lcuk | liqbase building now, please wait | 16:53 |
| lcuk | make: Warning: File `vcell_easyrun.c' has modification time 86 s in the future | 16:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rdate was a lot less hassle though, wonder how hard it would be to get it to use alarmd... | 16:53 |
| zakkm | lcuk: date 20081227 ? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | ive synced with server from windows, ive synced with server apparantly in maemo | 16:54 |
| zakkm | date 200812271254 i think ? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i *used* to do the date syncing manually but now i have more than 2 machiens its inpractical | 16:54 |
| woglinde | lcuk run ntpdate | 16:54 |
| lcuk | i just want them all on the same time | 16:54 |
| woglinde | once | 16:54 |
| zakkm | oh no idea then :) | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | Having an ntp sync from alarmd every night would be cool, and combine that with the update-on-gps-fix | 16:54 |
| lcuk | not found in maemo | 16:54 |
| lcuk | ntpdate is correctly telling me i am 96 seconds off sync | 16:55 |
| lcuk | but the damned thing wont cure the problem | 16:55 |
| woglinde | lcuk it will | 16:56 |
| zakkm | ntp using a bad server? | 16:56 |
| woglinde | but slowly | 16:56 |
| lcuk | zakkm, its not a bad server cos it knows its 96 seconds wrong - thats the adjustment it needs to make | 16:56 |
| aquatix | doesn't ntpdate make the adjustment at once? | 16:56 |
| aquatix | does here | 16:56 |
| lcuk | woglinde, what do you mean "slowly" ? | 16:56 |
| aquatix | lcuk: it trains in | 16:56 |
| aquatix | well, ntpd should do so | 16:57 |
| woglinde | lcuk ntpd synchronizes the diff over a slowly timeslot | 16:57 |
| lcuk | ok | 16:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | are we talking about openntpd or ntpdate? | 16:57 |
| zakkm | ntpdate i believe | 16:57 |
| lcuk | so if i manually set it once perfectly it should stay around about right | 16:57 |
| woglinde | lcuk otherwise you would have problems with database | 16:57 |
| woglinde | s | 16:57 |
| aquatix | ntpdate should set the date/time at once iirc | 16:57 |
| aquatix | does here :/ | 16:57 |
| woglinde | jepp | 16:58 |
| woglinde | thats what ntpdate is for | 16:58 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ntpdate on boot, then let ntpd do the rest indeed :) | 16:58 |
| aquatix | default setting on debian i think | 16:58 |
| lcuk | ntpdate not found | 16:58 |
| lcuk | this is maemo country | 16:58 |
| lcuk | thar be dragons | 16:58 |
| * aquatix has ntpd on his tablet | 16:58 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ntpdate & openntpd & ntpd are all in extras | 16:58 |
| lcuk | how, How, HOW! | 16:58 |
| * zakkm wants mer on his tablet | 16:59 | |
| woglinde | where the hack is liblocation this side speaks of | 16:59 |
| woglinde | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html#SECTION001027100000000000000 | 16:59 |
| lcuk | mmm | 16:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, it's one of nokia closed source stuff, look in the maemo_4.1.1 folder in your scratchbox's home | 16:59 |
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| woglinde | qwerty ah thanks | 17:00 |
| lcuk | mmm my app manager has scary "failed to refresh" marks against all the extras repos | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | that might explain why it couldnt find it | 17:00 |
| woglinde | qerty whats the quickqay to install it | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, that folder should have been configured as apt repo so apt-get install I guess | 17:02 |
| woglinde | hm | 17:03 |
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| rjelari | hi | 17:07 |
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| woglinde | hm seems I havent installed | 17:07 |
| woglinde | the nokia bin | 17:07 |
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| rjelari | i tried installing maemo 5 pre-alpha SDK, and compiled hildon file manager. I m struck with the following error while running check_test program lt-check_test[23245]: GLIB WARNING ** GConf - Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon | 17:14 |
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| rjelari | [newbiew] could someone help me out! | 17:16 |
| woglinde | rjelari newbie -> pre-alpha SDK | 17:16 |
| zakkm | i would but i dont know maemo sdk :( | 17:16 |
| woglinde | thats not a good combination | 17:16 |
| lcuk | newbies should not be examining sdks | 17:16 |
| lcuk | should they? | 17:16 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, hi buddy | 17:16 |
| * lcuk is a newbie | 17:16 | |
| zakkm | hey disco_stu | 17:16 |
| rjelari | ;) | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rjelari, tried running wit | 17:17 |
| lcuk | rjelari, have you tried to build stuff in the normal diablo sdk | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | h run-standalone.sh? | 17:17 |
| lcuk | the one we know works | 17:17 |
| rjelari | tried long back. | 17:18 |
| woglinde | args what was the way to install the nokia bin apps afterwards? | 17:18 |
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| * lcuk never tried to build the nokia stuff | 17:19 | |
| rjelari | the common error what i get while i run gconftool-2 is this GLIB WARNING ** GConf - Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: | 17:20 |
| rjelari | Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. No D-BUS daemon running | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.2.sh iirc | 17:20 |
| woglinde | qwerty12_N800 hm yes I examine the maemo-sdk-installer.sh now | 17:21 |
| lcuk | rjelari, have you checked to see if the dbus daemon is running and is accessible to your apps | 17:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: I have changed my mind. Tear would be good browser for Mer. :P | 17:22 |
| rjelari | lcuk, it is running: i did ps -elf and got the following entry : 5 S 108 5118 1 0 80 0 - 750 poll 10:36 ? 00:01:08 /bin/dbus-daemon --system | 17:22 |
| woglinde | qwerty thanks | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | rjelari, how did you install the sdk, did you use the instructions here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_prealpha_main/ | 17:28 |
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| rjelari | lcuk, i followed the same instruction. | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | I love it when people are surprised the prealpha doesn't work... | 17:30 |
| woglinde | crashanddie jepp | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | the thing is, there was someone in 2007 with similar error ;) | 17:31 |
| lcuk | google says so anyway | 17:31 |
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| disco_stu | lol | 17:31 |
| woglinde | crashdandie but hopefully rjelari is not from india | 17:31 |
| rjelari | ;) | 17:31 |
| lcuk | it was down to not following the install guide and installing the sdk incompletely and the user not being registered properly, but im not technical enough to decipher it all and map it to rjs problem | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: why? | 17:32 |
| lcuk | sorry rj, the sdk installed fine for me, but that was a clean ubuntu and following to the letter | 17:32 |
| lcuk | wandering off the path at any point wouldv caused me to drive to london and get qwerty to install it for me | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | rjelari: the SDK lacks a window manager :P | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | at least, when running with af-sb-init | 17:33 |
| lcuk | afternoon crashanddie :) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | it is, pre-alpha, and no direct indication of the final OS :P | 17:34 |
| lcuk | oooer, tracy is stuck in traffic jam at the retail park, its gridlock and folks are getting irate they cant use their xmas vouchers | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's really gridlock outside too | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | our car had a minor breakin during xmas. sucks. they bent one of the door frames, unsuccessfully | 17:36 |
| lcuk | bastards | 17:36 |
| lcuk | last year we had someone nick one of our wheels | 17:36 |
| lcuk | they were disturbed, and left their peugeot specific spanner and jack | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | i have no idea how they actually got the replacement wheel on the car | 17:36 |
| rjelari | Stskeeps, yes, i run match box explictly. | 17:36 |
| disco_stu | i have a peugeot :) | 17:38 |
| lcuk | i had 2 jacks and spanners for mine :) | 17:38 |
| rjelari | lcuk, i forgot to mention that when u run mactchbox window manager it exists with error root window unavailable.! | 17:38 |
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| disco_stu | mine is 206 and my fathers a 407 | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i smiled everytime i opened the boot, even though the new wheel cost me, i was pleased the toerags never got home that night | 17:39 |
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| b1ackdeath | has any one tryed to monitor a n810 with nagios? | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | rjelari, still meaningless to me unfortunately, i dont have technical skills to solve your dilemma :$ i dont like dev in scratchbox at the best of times and do everything i can directly on the device | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | b1ackdeath: might be difficult with PSM active.. | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: progress? | 17:40 |
| rjelari | Ok.. me, look into that then!.. thanks | 17:41 |
| b1ackdeath | jw cuz i though it would be neet , and i already have a server running nagios =p | 17:41 |
| b-man | Sapwood server, hal, and gconf faild to start at boot | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hmm | 17:41 |
| b-man | with the new image | 17:41 |
| disco_stu | whats sapwood for? | 17:41 |
| zakkm | anyone know why mediabox wont play youtube | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: how do you unpack it? | 17:41 |
| zakkm | it adds it fine, searches and all | 17:41 |
| zakkm | but when i click video it wont play | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | (can you give me a ls -lR of the /mnt/mer partition?) | 17:42 |
| zakkm | and play button doesnt work | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | or just ls -l /mnt/mer :P | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a permissions problem really | 17:42 |
| disco_stu | mediabox after the updates is shiit | 17:42 |
| b-man | hold on.... | 17:42 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: you know how to get youtube to play? | 17:43 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, no | 17:45 |
| b-man | 32577 var; 162881 usr; 97729 tmp; 309473 sbin; 146593 root; 390913 proc; 81441 mnt; 12 mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.tar.gz; 11 lost+found; 13 linuxrc; 179169 lib; 407201 home; 130305 etc; 244321 dev; 195457 boot; 423489 bin | 17:46 |
| zakkm | It looks so good if only it would work :) | 17:46 |
| disco_stu | it doesnt say youtube in any place | 17:46 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, the last update makes it look better but now its usability is shit | 17:47 |
| zakkm | haha | 17:48 |
| b-man | @Stskeeps; i used tar -zxf | 17:48 |
| zakkm | its a extra download in extras | 17:48 |
| zakkm | mediabox-youtube-plugin is the package i believe | 17:48 |
| zakkm | anybody have a lower pt gktrc for plankton? | 17:49 |
| r2d2rogers | greetings | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: i'm more interested in the usernames | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | and permissions | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: lo, had a good xmas? no sapwood news but i'm continuing the saga :P | 17:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: very good, Wii and Dr. Horrible.... sounds good, mainly wanted to check in | 17:56 |
| zakkm | what you guys use for youtube watching on tablet? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | mytube? :P | 17:56 |
| woglinde | I dont watch youtube on the tablet | 17:56 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: what size pt do you use for mer? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: plankton standard theme. pretty things are something i'm not good at | 17:57 |
| zakkm | ddi you change pt size? | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 17:58 |
| zakkm | dang | 17:58 |
| b-man | Stskeeps; thay all have root user/root grup permissions | 17:58 |
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| zakkm | i want a lower pt size plankton gtkrc | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | It's not hard to find numbers and change them ;) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hmm | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: tar --version | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | is it busybox or the gnu tar? | 18:00 |
| zakkm | vi sucks though on n800 | 18:00 |
| zakkm | and then i tried ssh but that uhh didnt go well | 18:00 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, you get use to it | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Open an sftp connection using gnome vfs or sshfs and use your favourite editor on the computer | 18:00 |
| zakkm | also im a nano guy and for some reason no repo has nano? | 18:01 |
| zakkm | nano.* | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | port it? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Nano has a nice feature where it will quit with a SIGSEGV when searching | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 18:02 |
| b-man | @Stskeeps; it doesn't tell me, it only tells me the busybox version, i think i shuld have used GNU tar. :p | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, good to know it screws up. extras has gnutar i think | 18:02 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: is there a easy way to make mytube change to 16:9/16:10? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: noclue | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone built anything that requires perl in sbox btw? I've set SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl and PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH and it uses the maemo perl but xchat still fails on building perl plugin saying it cannot find -lperl584 | 18:04 |
| b-man | i'll try with that and let you know how it gos ;) | 18:05 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, tried youtube with mediabox and works flawless | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: alright, i have a new image for you, s ec | 18:06 |
| b-man | k | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | or not.. hmm | 18:06 |
| * lcuk releases 10,000 angry fire-ants into the chan | 18:06 | |
| zakkm | disco_stu: when i click play, it clicks.. but the video doesnt play | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | the wireless is messing me up a bit | 18:06 |
| b-man | hehe | 18:07 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, it started playing after 3 seconds | 18:07 |
| zakkm | it shows requesting video | 18:07 |
| zakkm | for like a second | 18:07 |
| zakkm | and have the right thumbnails on left side | 18:08 |
| zakkm | and name at top | 18:08 |
| zakkm | but its just a black screen. .and play button does nothing | 18:08 |
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| zakkm | would vi /usr/share/themes/plankton/gtk-2.0/gtkrc work? | 18:15 |
| zakkm | it doesnt seem to replace text / delete text | 18:15 |
| zakkm | screen just refreshes | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | You in insert mode? | 18:15 |
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| zakkm | no idea, just going to use leafpad i guess ;p | 18:16 |
| zakkm | never used vi much | 18:16 |
| zakkm | font_name = "Nokia Sans 12" = 12pt? | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | here http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG | 18:24 |
| lcuk | crap | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, nice | 18:24 |
| b-man | wow | 18:25 |
| lcuk | lol not really, wrong window | 18:25 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:25 | |
| * timeless is reading 630 again | 18:25 | |
| * timeless clearly isn't subscribed | 18:25 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, but it works well. now i have a 100% x86 port of the released version i am making sure the newer classes work under it - ie rebuilding cleanly using the new core classes ive been working on | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, sounds good. how's clutter going for you? | 18:27 |
| lcuk | :) clutter is missing one essential thing... i have to learn opengl more than i have to learn clutter | 18:27 |
| andre__ | sigh | 18:27 |
| lcuk | it doesnt have line primatives | 18:28 |
| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 18:28 |
| lcuk | so i have to go under clutter itself to get it | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 18:28 |
| lcuk | the actor class looks nice | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | i still have to implement my own kinetics and text handling in clutter | 18:28 |
| woglinde | hm what tv is this? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | its just a game engine | 18:28 |
| lcuk | its my lenovo touchscreen tablet pc thingy | 18:29 |
| woglinde | hm ah | 18:29 |
| orifice | ugh, I have my external card formatted to FAT and it's still coming up as corrupted (when booting from internal SD) on n810 | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, btw, are both x86 & tablet using lucida console font? | 18:29 |
| lcuk | i feel like a midget using it - its like a big n810, its got a stylus in same location and everything | 18:29 |
| lcuk | nomis, tablet uses nokia sans, the big pc uses lucon from dev folder for now | 18:30 |
| lcuk | nomis, damn autocomplete | 18:30 |
| lcuk | eh? | 18:30 |
| woglinde | *g* | 18:30 |
| lcuk | nomis, this is odd | 18:30 |
| lcuk | ffffffffffs | 18:30 |
| lcuk | no, is this working | 18:31 |
| lcuk | thats better | 18:31 |
| orifice | I can mount it manually though and it's fine .... | 18:31 |
| orifice | under what other conditions would the external mmc be seen as 'corrupted' ? | 18:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, added my 2c to #3373 | 18:34 |
| StsN800 | ta | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | wb btw | 18:35 |
| StsN800 | server stalled :grr: | 18:35 |
| b-man | that sucks.. | 18:36 |
| StsN800 | so have to go out in the cold | 18:37 |
| b-man | oh | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 18:37 |
| StsN800 | still active but i/o lockup | 18:37 |
| b-man | hmm... | 18:38 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, ++ on the comment | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:41 |
| zakkm | you guys use Garnet VM? | 18:44 |
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| b-man | i do... or i use to. ;p | 18:46 |
| b-man | just uninstalled it. | 18:46 |
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| zakkm | b-man: Garnet VM? | 18:48 |
| zakkm | can you install simcity on it? :) and normal palm apps? | 18:48 |
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| b-man | i have installed a fuew palm 5 apps.. | 18:48 |
| b-man | villagesim | 18:48 |
| b-man | dosbox | 18:49 |
| b-man | c++ software | 18:49 |
| zakkm | ;o | 18:49 |
| zakkm | i got some beta expired error while running :( | 18:49 |
| b-man | try re-installing - that helped me | 18:50 |
| zakkm | did you add a Garnet Repo or something | 18:50 |
| zakkm | i found a old beta 2 deb that i used | 18:50 |
| b-man | i went to tableteer and downloaded the latest deb | 18:51 |
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| b-man | it's a lot better | 18:51 |
| zakkm | tableteer? | 18:51 |
| zakkm | whats that | 18:52 |
| b-man | ttp://tableteer.nokia.com/ | 18:52 |
| b-man | edit; http://tableteer.nokia.com/ | 18:52 |
| StsN800 | i swear, sometimes i wish i had a hw watchdog on my server | 18:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | StsN800: (about the Tear) If it uses the latest webkit (or the one used by midori, it will display pages ok, The Tear i have tried on Diablo was annoying because it displayed web-pages strangely, exaple, itT was awful, almost every element on the page was transparent, in "Classic" theme, text was unreadable. But with same webkit engine that midori uses it would be as good as midori (maybe even better...) | 18:53 |
| zakkm | b-man: cant see garnet ? | 18:53 |
| b-man | @ zakkm; all sorts of software for the nit supported by Nokia | 18:53 |
| StsN800 | Meiz_n810, sounds interesting | 18:54 |
| b-man | you need to go to the GVM website | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | haze wont connect to msn.. someone knows why? | 18:54 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: never worked for me ;p | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | lol | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, rtcomm? | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | yes.. | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | msn wont connect | 18:54 |
| disco_stu | iam | 18:55 |
| disco_stu | stylus slip.. sorry | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, qole says: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242139&postcount=31 which is true and it worked for me but it installs the the whorish pidgin-data package. I edited the deb so it wouldn't, let me find it | 18:55 |
| b-man | zakkm: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ - you need to delete the previous e-mail from them though. | 18:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | StsN800: indeed, i tried Tears engine with the default browser... transparent elements again.. | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stu, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb | 18:57 |
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| disco_stu | ok.. wont it conflict with pidgin? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Could do, I don't have pidgin installed | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | hence me using rtcomm :) | 18:58 |
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| disco_stu | pidgin is nicer | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | pidgin is clunkier | 18:58 |
| zakkm | does flasher require anything in linux? | 18:58 |
| zakkm | on a new gentoo install and need to flash nokia | 18:58 |
| StsN800 | use -static | 18:58 |
| woglinde | haha okay | 19:01 |
| woglinde | the stolen sample app for enabling and disabling gpsd works | 19:01 |
| zakkm | sweet 19min left of diablo download | 19:02 |
| zakkm | just use maemo-services ? :P | 19:02 |
| woglinde | zakkm what connection you have? | 19:02 |
| zakkm | and disable from control panel | 19:02 |
| zakkm | 120kb/s | 19:02 |
| zakkm | its going right, just have slow internet | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, I think he means to actually activate gpsd, not start the service | 19:03 |
| disco_stu | zakkm are you still using chinook? | 19:03 |
| zakkm | no | 19:03 |
| zakkm | the kernel and all is messed | 19:03 |
| disco_stu | ok | 19:03 |
| zakkm | using old 36-5 kernel on 43-7 install | 19:03 |
| zakkm | its not booting right half the time | 19:03 |
| disco_stu | get the last ssu | 19:04 |
| woglinde | qwerty right only start gpsd | 19:04 |
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| woglinde | now I will try the my java midlet | 19:04 |
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| woglinde | re zakkm | 19:04 |
| zakkm | thanks | 19:05 |
| disco_stu | woglinde, java on maemo? | 19:05 |
| zakkm | didnt realize that xterm was xchat ;p | 19:05 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, I now fully agree with your 3-strike program proposal. sigh | 19:08 |
| t_s_o | hmm? | 19:08 |
| zakkm | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_fring.xhtml#top | 19:09 |
| zakkm | fring works on the nits? | 19:09 |
| timeless | HTTP ERROR: 404 | 19:11 |
| timeless | Not Found | 19:11 |
| timeless | RequestURI=/mgp/events/770tableteer/os2008/feat_fring..xhtml | 19:11 |
| timeless | Powered by Jetty:// | 19:11 |
| aquatix | that's a . too many? | 19:12 |
| aquatix | link works here | 19:12 |
| zakkm | aquatix: are you installing it? | 19:14 |
| aquatix | not at the moment | 19:14 |
| aquatix | just dropped in here and thought i'd help out with the url :) | 19:14 |
| zakkm | oh | 19:15 |
| zakkm | wanted to know if voice chat works ;p | 19:15 |
| zakkm | heh | 19:15 |
| * aquatix uses the build-in messenger | 19:15 | |
| zakkm | rtcomm? | 19:15 |
| aquatix | with telepathy add-ons | 19:15 |
| aquatix | yes | 19:15 |
| zakkm | hate it for msn / aim | 19:15 |
| zakkm | im in highschool still so you know i got like 100+ contacts on each | 19:15 |
| aquatix | barely use IM on my tablet to be frank | 19:15 |
| zakkm | and it takes maemo ages | 19:15 |
| aquatix | that's true | 19:15 |
| aquatix | it's quite slow with the contacts :/ | 19:15 |
| zakkm | its okay if they msg me though | 19:16 |
| zakkm | but to see whos online takes awhile | 19:16 |
| zakkm | so i just use it for google talk :p only have like 8 contacts XD | 19:16 |
| aquatix | indeed | 19:16 |
| aquatix | :) | 19:16 |
| * aquatix is behind a regular computer too much of his time | 19:17 | |
| zakkm | how old? | 19:17 |
| aquatix | 26 | 19:18 |
| * zakkm hates compile times | 19:18 | |
| aquatix | the pc i'm currently on is 2 weeks old ;) | 19:18 |
| * aquatix hugs his laptop | 19:18 | |
| zakkm | nice | 19:18 |
| zakkm | ;o laptop | 19:18 |
| zakkm | still only have a desktop | 19:19 |
| * aquatix has both | 19:19 | |
| zakkm | but nice 4gb ram, geforce 8500gt pci-e | 19:19 |
| aquatix | ah, nice indeed | 19:19 |
| zakkm | still only 17" 4;3 monitor though :( | 19:19 |
| zakkm | been trying to sell it for $75 and buy a 22" :D | 19:19 |
| * aquatix better not tell what monitor he has | 19:20 | |
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| zakkm | heh | 19:20 |
| zakkm | dual 24" 's ? :P | 19:20 |
| aquatix | nah, it's single | 19:20 |
| aquatix | big enough | 19:20 |
| * aquatix mumbles something about compensating and 30" tft's | 19:20 | |
| zakkm | older though, im on a very low budget and im wayy above budget | 19:20 |
| aquatix | heh, yep | 19:21 |
| zakkm | i work for it yes, i work at a grocery store but its still alot of money | 19:21 |
| aquatix | so better not compare with me :) | 19:21 |
| zakkm | 30" .. too much for me | 19:21 |
| zakkm | most i want is a 24" 1920x1200 | 19:21 |
| * aquatix sunk some savings into a completely new pc earlier this year | 19:21 | |
| aquatix | was fed up with my ancient stuff | 19:22 |
| aquatix | no, it's heaven actually | 19:22 |
| zakkm | i tripleboot Mac OSX too so a 24" at HD would be nice ;p | 19:22 |
| aquatix | 2560x1600 <3 | 19:22 |
| zakkm | lol | 19:22 |
| zakkm | no way | 19:22 |
| zakkm | couldnt do anything at that res | 19:22 |
| zakkm | videocard couldnt take it ;p | 19:22 |
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| aquatix | dual-link dvi | 19:22 |
| zakkm | im still on vga :( | 19:22 |
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| zakkm | whatsitcalled, my desk space couldnt do 30" | 19:23 |
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| zakkm | and thats wayy to big i just need 22" in a high resolution ;p | 19:23 |
| woglinde | disco_stu yes java on maemo | 19:24 |
| aquatix | yep, a tft doing 1920x1200 is really nice already | 19:24 |
| zakkm | going to get a 1680x1050 22" | 19:25 |
| zakkm | i think | 19:25 |
| * qwerty12 sighs heavily as he finishes applying a shitload of patches to xchat | 19:25 | |
| disco_stu | woglinde, how is it working? | 19:25 |
| zakkm | most i could afford, and thats only if i sell my current one for $75.. and take more shifts at work ;p | 19:25 |
| aquatix | zakkm: which one do you want? | 19:25 |
| zakkm | specific monitor? | 19:25 |
| aquatix | thankfully tft's aren't that expensive anymore | 19:25 |
| aquatix | yeah | 19:25 |
| zakkm | dont know | 19:25 |
| aquatix | ah, k | 19:26 |
| zakkm | heh | 19:26 |
| zakkm | anything for my price range | 19:26 |
| zakkm | that looks decent | 19:26 |
| zakkm | i saw this BenQ .. very beautifullll 22" 1920x1080 for $239.99 | 19:26 |
| zakkm | (canadian) | 19:26 |
| zakkm | i want one for like $169.99 XD | 19:26 |
| zakkm | that way if i sell my current for $75.. it wont be that much of a upgrade | 19:27 |
| zakkm | price wise | 19:27 |
| woglinde | disco_stu hm works okay I guess | 19:27 |
| woglinde | disco_stu don you know the jalimo website? | 19:27 |
| disco_stu | woglinde, yes.. | 19:28 |
| woglinde | one of my goal is it to get stuff in devel extra | 19:28 |
| woglinde | but its hen-egg problem | 19:28 |
| disco_stu | visited it some time ago | 19:28 |
| woglinde | in oe we have a selfboostrap path for it | 19:28 |
| woglinde | bootstrap | 19:28 |
| zakkm | dang | 19:29 |
| disco_stu | has java swing support? | 19:29 |
| zakkm | why does my nokia only boot to like 10% progress bar and then reboot | 19:29 |
| zakkm | i just reflashed with kernel only | 19:29 |
| woglinde | but unfornatly on scratchbox cacao-initial segfaults wit qemu | 19:29 |
| woglinde | disco_stu we have swt hildonized | 19:29 |
| disco_stu | nice.. | 19:29 |
| woglinde | no need for swt | 19:30 |
| disco_stu | i need to try that | 19:30 |
| woglinde | hehe yeah | 19:30 |
| zakkm | is --flash-only=initfs safe? | 19:30 |
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| disco_stu | woglinde, so you are using jalimo, right? | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | i'll install that | 19:33 |
| zakkm | is --flash-only=nolo safe? | 19:33 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, that should last less thhan a second | 19:34 |
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| woglinde | disco stu yes | 19:34 |
| zakkm | is it safe thoguh? | 19:34 |
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| disco_stu | wont be that risky | 19:34 |
| woglinde | but jalimo is not an app | 19:35 |
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| woglinde | only a synonym | 19:35 |
| disco_stu | right | 19:35 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12, thanks for the deb, it works now (haze) | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | np | 19:36 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12, you are a genius | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | it's qole who figured it out anyway, but installing pidgin-data sucked | 19:37 |
| lcuk | hey disco_stu hows your search for the perfect dj studio going | 19:37 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, havent started yet. i had a big exam few days ago | 19:37 |
| zakkm | qwerty12: about to try that deb soon :D heh | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 19:38 |
| zakkm | uninstalling pidgin, installing collabora now | 19:38 |
| lcuk | ahhh how do you think you did | 19:38 |
| zakkm | the repository | 19:38 |
| disco_stu | lcuk, was oral.. i did very good | 19:38 |
| lcuk | excellent | 19:38 |
| disco_stu | the subject was numeric analisys | 19:39 |
| disco_stu | a bit boring.. | 19:39 |
| lcuk | heh, that sounds like having to do oral examin binary | 19:39 |
| lcuk | "one one zero one zero zero one one one" | 19:39 |
| disco_stu | lol.. professor gives you problems and you need to solve them with numeric methods | 19:40 |
| disco_stu | a bit closer to become an engineer | 19:41 |
| zakkm | disco_stu: going into music studio career? | 19:41 |
| Mousey | disco_stu: serato or finalscratch =) | 19:41 |
| disco_stu | zakkm, no, software enginering | 19:42 |
| disco_stu | (bad spelling) | 19:42 |
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| zakkm | omg theres dopewars in extras-devel :D | 19:43 |
| b-man | welcome back | 19:43 |
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| zakkm | qwerty12_N800: thankss :)! | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, it's a dodgy version I quickly put in there :/ | 19:44 |
| zakkm | byebye pidgin :) | 19:44 |
| zakkm | ah it doesnt matter, im no dev | 19:44 |
| zakkm | as long as it works, and decent speeds | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | I would have liked to hildonize the rest but it all fucks up when I include hildon headers :/ | 19:44 |
| andre__ | anybody knows where's content like http://maemo.org/community/bugs_and_features/ exactly in the SVN tree? | 19:44 |
| zakkm | did they change it for fremantle? | 19:44 |
| zakkm | hildonizing? | 19:44 |
| disco_stuN800 | qwerty12, the deb killed pidgin | 19:45 |
| disco_stuN800 | it segfaults now | 19:45 |
| zakkm | rtcom-beta-os2008 2.4-1 right? | 19:45 |
| zakkm | what the | 19:45 |
| zakkm | isnt collabora the rtcomm repo? | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | disco_stuN800, I don't use pidgin :/. If you want pidgin back, you can do apt-get install --reinstall libpurple0 but rtcomm isn't going to work | 19:46 |
| disco_stuN800 | i know | 19:46 |
| zakkm | qwerty12: whats the rtcomm repo? | 19:46 |
| zakkm | ohh right | 19:46 |
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| zakkm | red pill method -.- | 19:46 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 19:54 | |
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| Stskeeps | was rjelari just in here having trouble with the pre-alpha sdk? :P | 19:55 |
| Jaffa | Interesting hint from qgil: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23413&goto=newpost | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes/no.. he mentioned that people didn't pay attention to the things actually released | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | like, it wasn't being used for actual development, etc | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | .. which may be explained by the fact they dont actually start a window manager in the usual af-sb-init workcycle.. | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | (i have personally trawled through all the directories of the repository..) | 19:57 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, well - presumably upstream platform hackers already know what's in their upstream code bases and don't care too much | 19:58 |
| * Jaffa must remember to get GAN8001 to have on the next meeting agenda whether or not the bi-weekly releases are going to materialise. | 19:58 | |
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| Stskeeps | seems like qgil did some wiki changes related to that | 20:01 |
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| Jaffa | URL? | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | or not, - just the objective on release often and .. such | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | recentchanges is a daily site for me to check :P | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N800 | 20:04 |
| qwerty12_ | thanks, seeing if this xchat build will segfault after a min :) | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I used to | 20:04 |
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| GAN800 | Sooo, who wants to set hendrik straight on -users? :/ | 20:36 |
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| GAN800 | qgil's had some questionable bug resolutions the last couple days. :\ | 20:43 |
| andre__ | GAN800, if you do please also tell hendrik to fix his date settings | 20:44 |
| andre__ | i get mail from the future. scary :-P | 20:44 |
| andre__ | examples of questionable ones? | 20:44 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, minimum brightness, the automatic connection | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | 3xxx and 12xx :P | 20:48 |
| andre__ | hehe | 20:48 |
| GAN800 | Work, lunch, tablet. | 20:48 |
| GAN800 | Should be in a recent changes search from the past two days | 20:48 |
| andre__ | yeah i have them in mind | 20:49 |
| GAN800 | Ehehe, "BECAUSE YOU'RE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO FIGURE IT OUT"? :P | 20:50 |
| andre__ | i liked that one. but unfortunately my crystal ball was broken :-P | 20:50 |
| andre__ | i mean: the guy mixes up java and JS. | 20:51 |
| andre__ | that's already.... hard. | 20:51 |
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| aquatix | andre__: :) | 20:52 |
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| pupnik_ | am I the only person, for whom setting the N810 on a table is vastly helpful in getting a GPS fix? | 20:54 |
| andre__ | demolishing the roof worked fine for me to get GPS finally working. | 20:54 |
| Robot101 | pupnik_: it gets a better GPS fix when the device is upright | 20:54 |
| Robot101 | the antenna points up, when the screen faces forwards | 20:55 |
| Robot101 | for when it's mounted in the car mount, I think | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | yeah facing up 'seems' to be better for me | 20:55 |
| Robot101 | but if you're holding it flat and your head's in the way, forget it :) | 20:55 |
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| pupnik_ | it has turned into something of a black art | 20:55 |
| Robot101 | the AGPS beta thingy makes it actually work | 20:55 |
| Robot101 | because it's an AGPS chip so getting the almanac via your phone helps a lot :D | 20:56 |
| lcuk | we get a good lock on the gps when its wedged into the cd slot on the stereo in the car, when tracy has it on her knee i think the 810 gets distracted and doesnt wanna lock | 20:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it works but requires a ssssacrifice! | 20:58 |
| lcuk | fine, but you are cleaning the blood out of the car | 20:58 |
| RST38h | hehe | 20:59 |
| pupnik_ | hahaha | 20:59 |
| pupnik_ | cd-slot - i use that too :P | 20:59 |
| lcuk | it nicely fits the stand in and holds it at right place | 20:59 |
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| * pupnik_ points to maemo.org | 21:03 | |
| pupnik_ | <cough> | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | Hmm, I love the smell of irony in the evening | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, yeah, it means your girlfriend was up before you | 21:07 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, you know why women smile as they walk down the aisle? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | gfi | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | cuz they know it's the last blowjob they'll ever give | 21:09 |
| lcuk | luckily it isnt the last blowjob a bloke will get | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | depends | 21:11 |
| woglinde | wah | 21:13 |
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| timeless | ping | 21:39 |
| timeless | anyone here have a device they *haven't* updated to the latest version of the tablet os? | 21:39 |
| crashanddie | which version would that be? | 21:39 |
| timeless | not picky | 21:40 |
| timeless | anything older than 2008.43-7 | 21:40 |
| timeless | older is better | 21:40 |
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| timeless | so 2008.18 or so would be nice :) | 21:42 |
| * timeless makes up a random number | 21:42 | |
| b-man | i have 2008.23-14 | 21:42 |
| timeless | i'll take that :) | 21:42 |
| timeless | can you reproduce the bug? | 21:42 |
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| hellanio | maemo uses fstab? | 22:12 |
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| b-man | yes | 22:19 |
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| cjdavis1 | I'm trying to make sense of the latest version of rtcomm and telepathy, but in particular get the facebook plugin for pidgin working | 23:00 |
| cjdavis1 | has anybody done so? | 23:00 |
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| Lamoto | !help | 23:00 |
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| RST38h | Now, where was that syringe... | 23:02 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 23:04 |
| mouser-1 | cjdavis1: I didn't know it existed until now, but it looks interesting. | 23:06 |
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| cjdavis1 | yes. it is built into the latest full pidgin install, that works fine, but I'm trying to use it as a plugin for libpurple so that telepathy will pick it up | 23:07 |
| cjdavis1 | there are spec. instructions http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/wiki/How_To_Install pointing to a bug entry at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17907 but it seems like they are using it with pidgin, not libpurple | 23:09 |
| cjdavis1 | well, no, they are specifically talking about telepathy. hmm | 23:10 |
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