| qwerty12_n800 | rm_you, in advanced backlight, is it supposed to set the gconf key /apps/adv-backlight/brightness as soon as you've changed the brightness rather than doing so when you go into settings & press ok? | 00:01 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a way to update feeds I've read from the built-in rss feed reader and google reader? | 00:16 |
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| AStorm | hm | 00:19 |
| AStorm | do we have some ssh-agent ui? | 00:20 |
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| AStorm | everybody's dead or preparing for the pagan celebration? | 00:25 |
| * netvictim is just tired | 00:26 | |
| * lcuk is preparing a ubuntu usb disk and grabbing some rainbow tables | 00:26 | |
| lcuk | whilst pondering whether it will be easier to port liqbase to windows, or visual basic to linux | 00:26 |
| StsN800 | playing crazyparking while gf reads | 00:26 |
| lcuk | at the moment, the visual basic in linux is looking like the easier option... | 00:27 |
| netvictim | heh | 00:27 |
| lcuk | and also the one which would give me more satisfaction | 00:27 |
| netvictim | isn't vb for linux just a few changes to wine? :) | 00:28 |
| lcuk | wine runs in maemo? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | but no, i dont want compatibility with windows binaries, i have thousands of source projects i just wanna use directly | 00:29 |
| lcuk | if i concentrate on core builtin vb libraries, theres not actually that much to do | 00:30 |
| netvictim | well, wine for maemo-x86 could work | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | not really | 00:31 |
| netvictim | wine for maemo-arm would be relatively useless | 00:31 |
| netvictim | you'd have to find an arm-win binary | 00:31 |
| lcuk | yeah, the devices arent waterproofed | 00:31 |
| AStorm | maybe add scripting host while you're at it :/ | 00:32 |
| AStorm | so, do we have a package with ui for ssh-agent? | 00:33 |
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| * AStorm can barely hear crickets chirping | 00:36 | |
| jakemaheu | does anyone want to try porting the sound driver from 2.6.21 to 2.6.28-rc9-omap? | 00:40 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 00:42 |
| AStorm | 2.6.28-rc9 has a real ALSA driver | 00:42 |
| AStorm | use it | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | er, the n800's sound driver, which doesn't appear to work in the newest kernel | 00:47 |
| jakemaheu | or isn't there | 00:47 |
| AStorm | it is there | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | and should work | 00:47 |
| AStorm | it's the same driver as for n810 | 00:47 |
| AStorm | the config options have changed a lot | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_n800 | the same drivers work for both mixers? | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_n800 | *driver | 00:48 |
| AStorm | I remember seeing changes on the ml saying so | 00:48 |
| jakemaheu | for some reason android can't access the hardware through the current ones | 00:48 |
| AStorm | maybe it isn't enabled | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_n800 | nice, looks like we're not sol as i thought we were :-) | 00:48 |
| AStorm | it *should* work | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | anyone want to take a crack at it? | 00:49 |
| AStorm | although last one I checked was 2.6.25 | 00:49 |
| AStorm | might've broken it | 00:49 |
| AStorm | the preferred course of action would be asking on linux-omap mailing list | 00:50 |
| dick-richardson | I have no sound w/espeak...would that be related? | 00:50 |
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| AStorm | dick-richardson, no | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | @AStorm, well, I don't know how to | 00:50 |
| jakemaheu | how does one go about posting on a mailing list? | 00:51 |
| AStorm | mail, to linux-omap@vger.kernel.org | 00:51 |
| AStorm | you don't have to be subscribed | 00:51 |
| jakemaheu | kay | 00:51 |
| AStorm | ok | 00:54 |
| AStorm | so, who has a ssh-agent password ui package available | 00:54 |
| AStorm | e.g. keychain? | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_n800 | best i can offer you is the highly insecure sshpass program & and a hildonized ssh-askpass but i think those are not what you want.. | 00:57 |
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| ciroip | buon natale people, how is going? | 00:57 |
| ciroip | thank you qwerty | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_n800 | hi ciroip | 00:57 |
| ciroip | always fast | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | hey qwerty | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_n800 | hi jakemaheu | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_n800 | ciroip, :) | 00:58 |
| jakemaheu | sup? | 00:58 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_n800, not too bad | 00:58 |
| AStorm | might be eough | 00:58 |
| AStorm | *enough | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_n800 | jakemaheu, nothing much :). just browsing itt :D | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, 1 sec | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220005&postcount=20 | 01:00 |
| ciroip | lol qwerty12_n800: is there a project u are not touched on itt? | 01:01 |
| ciroip | have | 01:01 |
| ciroip | uf | 01:01 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: wait WHAT? | 01:02 |
| rm_you | i think i need to look at that code again... | 01:02 |
| rm_you | it's supposed to set that gconf var when you change it, yes | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_n800 | ciroip, hehe :) | 01:02 |
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| rm_you | that might be why the setting isn't saving across reboots <_< | 01:02 |
| rm_you | #@&* | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_n800 | rm_you, thanks, i wondered why i kept getting 127 brightness when i kept starting my tablet in the morning >.< :) | 01:03 |
| rm_you | well | 01:03 |
| rm_you | i'll fix it | 01:03 |
| rm_you | and do another release this week | 01:03 |
| rm_you | couple of bug fixes in the SVN | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_n800 | Whee :) | 01:03 |
| rm_you | and i have time now that I'm home? | 01:03 |
| rm_you | err | 01:04 |
| rm_you | that wasn't a question :P | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_n800 | I need to release rotation packages for the latest ssu now jott's awol but i have no web space anymore :/ | 01:05 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_n800, where can I get this ssh-askpass? | 01:05 |
| jakemaheu | qwerty: i've got a place they can go | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, it's attached? | 01:06 |
| AStorm | where? | 01:07 |
| AStorm | I need a gui version | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_n800 | jakemaheu, cool :), i'll have to see what happens though yet :/ | 01:07 |
| jakemaheu | alright | 01:07 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, File Type: deb hildon-ssh-askpass_0.2-2_armel.deb (3.8 KB, 9 views)? | 01:08 |
| AStorm | mhm, not in tree? | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_n800 | on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220005&postcount=20 which is the same link which i gave you before | 01:09 |
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| AStorm | which I didn't get | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_n800 | <qwerty12_n800> AStorm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220005&postcount=20 | 01:09 |
| AStorm | meh | 01:10 |
| dick-richardson | why not use sshfs? | 01:10 |
| AStorm | I guess 4 lines of history on reconnect are too few | 01:10 |
| AStorm | dick-richardson, I need it for an ssh tunnel, not file transfer | 01:11 |
| dick-richardson | I'm coming late to the party, sorry... | 01:11 |
| dick-richardson | ok, and what would a graphical frontend give you that's better than the command line? | 01:12 |
| dick-richardson | just preconfigured so you just click a button? | 01:12 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: i can provide as much webspace as you could possibly need | 01:12 |
| rm_you | srsly | 01:12 |
| rm_you | i have to leave for a minute to drive home | 01:13 |
| rm_you | but talk to me in a bit when i get there | 01:13 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_n800, itt is a bad place for these | 01:13 |
| AStorm | we need a repo | 01:13 |
| AStorm | so gronmayer can index it | 01:13 |
| dick-richardson | I guess the way I have mine set up is using dbus-scripts to establish the connection when wan connects and then tear it down when it disconnects | 01:13 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, i prefer extras to opening a new repo but those debs were posted before i got my licence to upload to extras :) | 01:14 |
| AStorm | dick-richardson, ..... | 01:14 |
| AStorm | I need a way to enter a pass | 01:14 |
| dick-richardson | ahh, nm then... | 01:14 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_n800, btw, why the huge window in the background? | 01:14 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:14 |
| AStorm | anyway | 01:14 |
| AStorm | I have to config ssh to use it | 01:15 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: see my message about webspace? | 01:15 |
| dick-richardson | I use rsa keys...makes it a little easier. I'm guessing that's not an option | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_n800 | rm_you, oh sorry, yeah. I was just waiting until you got back :) | 01:15 |
| rm_you | heh k | 01:16 |
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| AStorm | dick-richardson, it is | 01:16 |
| rm_you | just about to leave | 01:16 |
| AStorm | but you still need a way to give a pass to ssh-agent | 01:16 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_n800, how do I set it up? (forgot) | 01:17 |
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| AStorm | again, why the huge window in the background? | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_n800 | AStorm, I don't know the first thing about ssh minus entering the password each time | 01:17 |
| AStorm | uhm | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_n800 | it's not my program6 | 01:18 |
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| b-man | Installing Windows95 on my N800....... With my own hacked-up version of DosBox... | 01:20 |
| b-man | slow..... | 01:20 |
| rm_you | roflcopter | 01:21 |
| t_s_o | and i would say, ever so slighty insane... | 01:21 |
| rm_you | yeah that is SLOOOOOOW apparently | 01:21 |
| AStorm | wtf?! | 01:22 |
| * qwerty12_n800 remembers the guy who compiled pearpc and tried to use it :p | 01:22 | |
| b-man | i made my own version of dos with a composit of MS-DOS and FreeDos.. | 01:22 |
| b-man | witch i'm running in dosbox | 01:23 |
| rm_you | yeah theres some screenshots and a howto from like six months or so ago of a guy doing that | 01:23 |
| rm_you | win95 >_> | 01:23 |
| rm_you | bootup took like 30 minutes apparently | 01:23 |
| qwerty12_n800 | ha | 01:23 |
| b-man | only a fuew minutes for me... | 01:23 |
| rm_you | maybe it got better | 01:23 |
| b-man | but i'm running my own version of dos... | 01:24 |
| b-man | costom command.com, costom shell, costom Edit.exe, ect... | 01:25 |
| t_s_o | hmm, reading the requirements of win95 makes one wonder... | 01:26 |
| t_s_o | 386 of any speed, 4MB ram, 50MB hardrive... | 01:26 |
| b-man | i'm using windows 3.1 for a base.. | 01:27 |
| t_s_o | ye gods, OSR 2.1 version of win95 came on 26 floppies?! | 01:28 |
| AStorm | trick is, tablet just doesn't have enough power | 01:28 |
| towo | t_s_o: Yep. | 01:28 |
| AStorm | core2 1.5G doesn't have enough, even | 01:29 |
| AStorm | yup | 01:29 |
| AStorm | or a cd | 01:29 |
| AStorm | (+ 1 floppy) | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_n800 | t_s_o, please insert disk 23. <drive grinding>. please insert disk 23. #!?! :p | 01:29 |
| AStorm | also, special format | 01:30 |
| t_s_o | heh, always fun | 01:30 |
| t_s_o | DMF from what i read | 01:30 |
| AStorm | yup | 01:30 |
| AStorm | = More Broken Floppy format | 01:30 |
| t_s_o | hehe | 01:30 |
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| b-man | oh #@?!, i minimised my dosbox emulator in the middle of the install. :O | 01:31 |
| b-man | nooo!!!! | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_n800 | b-man, google kciconsbox :p | 01:31 |
| t_s_o | heh, i wonder when we will see games distributed as usb drives, now that would be going full circle ;) | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_n800 | get dosbox to export SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS for next time :p | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_n800 | s/get dosbox to// | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, i keep thinking i wanna setup multiple bootdisks mini-sd bootdisks | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i could keep them in a little tiny disk box and flip through them like my amiga ones | 01:39 |
| t_s_o | cute | 01:39 |
| t_s_o | i recall i loved to buy these english amiga magazines, long before i could really read the language, just for the demo disks on the front ;) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | yeah, they had all sorts of things, i just saw the makers of caligari went full circle and gave away latest 3d editor on some magazine coverdisk | 01:41 |
| lcuk | only about 10 years after they did same on amiga ;) | 01:41 |
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| b-man | i don't know how much more my tablet can take, i'm running dosbox with windows 3.1 installing 95, chatting on irc, browsing the web, running emelfm2, editing a note, and running the application manager with no lag... | 01:44 |
| Proteous | http://twittypic.com/promoted_pics/ce9e133d785c877181e1c407da4ee534.jpg | 01:44 |
| t_s_o | :S | 01:44 |
| qwerty12_n800 | Proteous, can you get me a manual onesthe best way of burning them? :) | 01:45 |
| Proteous | heh | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_n800 | s/onesthe/on the | 01:45 |
| Proteous | make sure your house has some stairs then you will be safe | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_n800 | heh | 01:46 |
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| rm_you | ok, i'm home | 02:15 |
| qwerty12_n800 | welcome back | 02:17 |
| rm_you | so yeah, if you need webspace | 02:18 |
| rm_you | just let me know | 02:18 |
| rm_you | which you apparently do, and have :P | 02:18 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | ok, thanks | 02:18 |
| qwerty12_n800 | I'm being chucked out :p :D | 02:19 |
| rm_you | lol? | 02:19 |
| qwerty12_n800 | *not strictly true | 02:19 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25646 - i've said i'll delete my files once i've downloaded them :) | 02:20 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: lol :/ | 02:22 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: erm, so i'm looking at the code, it looks to me like it's supposed to save the value to gconf on brightness change | 02:22 |
| rm_you | line 1392 | 02:22 |
| qwerty12_n800 | rm_you, it's odd because i had gconf editor open and the brightness key was only getting written to when i pressed ok in the settings (without changing any settings) :/ | 02:23 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 02:24 |
| rm_you | interesting | 02:24 |
| rm_you | lemmie see what the settings page is doing differently | 02:25 |
| rm_you | cause it would definitely explain some people having issues with the brightness setting persisting across reboots | 02:25 |
| rm_you | OH FSCK | 02:27 |
| rm_you | gconf_client_set_int (priv->gconf_client, GCONF_KEY_BRIGHTNESS, value, NULL); | 02:27 |
| rm_you | gconf_client_set_int (priv->gconf_client, GCONF_KEY_BRIGHTNESS, priv->brightness_level, NULL); | 02:27 |
| rm_you | note the difference | 02:27 |
| rm_you | i think that's the problem | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_n800 | I see :) | 02:27 |
| rm_you | well, it SHOULDN'T be | 02:28 |
| rm_you | but i'll try flipping it | 02:28 |
| rm_you | it really shouldn't actually matter, but that's the only difference i see | 02:28 |
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| qwerty12_n800 | which source are you looking at? i grabbed advanced-backlight_0.14-3.tar.gz and i can't even see 'gconf_client_set_int (priv->gconf_client, GCONF_KEY_BRIGHTNESS, value, NULL);'' inside advanced-backlight.c | 02:32 |
| AStorm | yes, it's been fixedd | 02:33 |
| AStorm | I noticed that too | 02:33 |
| qwerty12_n800 | seems to be in head anyway, i'll build it tomorrow and try it out because certainly, the current one in extras does not save the value | 02:37 |
| johnx | hallo :D | 02:37 |
| qwerty12_n800 | hi johnx | 02:38 |
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| johnx | woo! just dodged having to go in to work | 02:38 |
| qwerty12_n800 | you can actually get away with stuff in Japan? :P | 02:40 |
| johnx | it's very complicated | 02:40 |
| b-man | lol | 02:40 |
| johnx | (at one of my jobs) I teach english. I get paid by the lesson. if no one signs up for a lesson, then I just sit in the office and don't get paid. | 02:40 |
| qwerty12_n800 | with your tablet right? :) | 02:41 |
| johnx | yeah, but still, 1.5 hour commute to sit in an uncomfortable chair in a noisy room | 02:42 |
| AStorm | oh | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_n800 | :( | 02:42 |
| b-man | that sucks | 02:42 |
| johnx | so I skipped. :) | 02:42 |
| b-man | lol | 02:42 |
| b-man | x2 | 02:42 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:43 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_n800: it may have been a fix since the last push to extras | 02:43 |
| rm_you | let me see | 02:43 |
| rm_you | ah yeah rev 34 | 02:43 |
| rm_you | *134 | 02:43 |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/advanced-backlight.c?root=adv-backlight&r1=129&r2=134 | 02:44 |
| qwerty12_n800 | ah, I await your new version :) | 02:44 |
| rm_you | i've been promising to do the push to extras for a while | 02:45 |
| rm_you | i'll just like... go ahead and DO it | 02:45 |
| rm_you | i think | 02:45 |
| rm_you | let me check | 02:45 |
| * qwerty12_n800 should stop being lazy and steal enough code to make an mpd applet, sonata is way to slow to startup | 02:45 | |
| qwerty12_n800 | hehe | 02:45 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_n800, you may know, how do i fake windows into thinkings theres a cd drive that it can write to? i wanna create the recovery disks and it expects a proper cd - i can burn them later when i have the images back on my desktop | 03:11 |
| lcuk | ballsack! | 03:11 |
| derf | Does daemon-tools do writing? | 03:12 |
| derf | I don't remember. It's been so long since I actually used Windows. | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | it can write and image based on a real cd, but thats not what im after | 03:12 |
| lcuk | the x41 tablet doesnt have a cd drive at all | 03:12 |
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| * lcuk will probably just end up buying a usb cd drive tomorrow | 03:13 | |
| johnx | certainly an interesting idea, but can you see if the images are just lying around on the drive anyways? | 03:13 |
| lcuk | theres a recovery partition available | 03:14 |
| lcuk | i could clone it and hope i could recover the drive parameteres at a later date i suppose | 03:15 |
| lcuk | or i could be lazy and just buy em from lenovo | 03:15 |
| johnx | just copy the partition table and dd the recovery partition to somewhere | 03:16 |
| johnx | should be fine | 03:16 |
| lcuk | ok, so worst case scenario, just boot from usb key, restore partition table, copy everything backed up over into the right place and treat the current windows partition space as totally dead | 03:17 |
| lcuk | and let the recovery go ahead | 03:18 |
| johnx | well that's the idea :) | 03:18 |
| * johnx hates recovery partitions | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | seems reasonable, ive already tested usb linux | 03:18 |
| lcuk | yeah, but without a cd drive i'd rather keep it | 03:18 |
| lcuk | been reading up about making it work and EVERYWHERE says create the recovery disks first ;) | 03:18 |
| johnx | I bet you'll be one of Stskeeps' first guinea pigs for Mer x86 :) | 03:19 |
| derf | That's because people who write HOWTOs are wimps. | 03:19 |
| derf | The first thing I did with my thinkpad was wipe the hdd. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | im not a wimp, im just sensible :$ i need this tablet working over xmas, ive got a lot to do and not many days to do it in | 03:20 |
| derf | The story of my life. | 03:20 |
| johnx | yeah, then wait til tomorrow and make recovery disks | 03:20 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 03:21 |
| lcuk | damn nice though and cheaper than any ive seen :) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | even cheaper than my 810 was! | 03:22 |
| * johnx needs breakfast | 03:23 | |
| * lcuk needs sleep | 03:24 | |
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| b-man | I'm getting a Dell Studio 15 with a 2.2ghz intel core2 duo prosessor with 3 gigs of ram, a HD ati powered 122x1900 15" display, hd graphics, 350gb harddrive, dual booted with vista and ubuntu, a webcam, fingerprint reader, hdmi, 3G, wifi a/b/g, hd dvd burner, and a extended battery. ~ $1200 | 03:34 |
| b-man | and bluetooth. | 03:36 |
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| lcuk | b-man, nice, but not touchscreen based is it | 03:42 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: which model did you get? | 03:45 |
| rm_you | I have a Toshiba Portege M700 with the dual-touch thing | 03:46 |
| rm_you | converitible laptop/tablet | 03:46 |
| lcuk | lenovo x41 :) good enough for what i need | 03:46 |
| rm_you | ah i think i brought it with me to the summit so you prolly saw it | 03:46 |
| lcuk | whoooooooooosh | 03:46 |
| lcuk | this is just wacom based so no finger, but its just like the one i hacked up years ago only whole screen and working | 03:47 |
| lcuk | (i stuck a 5inch touchpanel behind the lcd on an old laptop) | 03:47 |
| rm_you | rofl | 03:48 |
| johnx | behind the LCD? so was it a capacitive "finger touch only" kinda thing? | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | no, it was a wacom pen based tablet | 03:49 |
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| lcuk | not touch :) ive still got it, along with the custom liqbase 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 i wrote for it | 03:49 |
| * GAN8001 triages bugs. | 03:50 | |
| lcuk | this x41 is the first real honest to goodness preconfigured tabletpc ive owned :) just what i need to test clutter etc over xmas | 03:50 |
| b-man | I was originaly thinking of buying a samsung Q1 ultra but i herd wwwwwaaaayyyyy too many negitive comments on it so i went for the Studio 15. | 03:51 |
| lcuk | just reading the reviews of the studio15 makes me shudder - especially if you are getting it for the hdmi thing | 03:51 |
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| lcuk | wow, my pan shaped burn just fell off :S | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | Where' qwerty12 when you need him? . . . | 03:53 |
| b-man | na, i just want it for the power, i like to mess around with operating systems and i thaught that it would be more useful. | 03:53 |
| lcuk | gan, scroll back about 40 minutes ago \@/ | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | Why do people set their os as "Windows" for Maemo bugs which have zero to do with their computers? | 03:54 |
| b-man | good question.. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | cso that is their os, they dont consider phones to have one - even linux ones | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | Triaging tz's bugs should be worth 10 or more of anybody else's bugs. . . . | 03:56 |
| lcuk | *nokia internet tablets | 03:56 |
| b-man | I really hate it when people think that our tables are "little phones".. | 03:56 |
| GAN8001 | Damn, and andre's not here for me to razz him about it. | 03:56 |
| lcuk | gan, when has the existance of a certain person stopped you :P | 03:57 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, only when I'm not actually saying things ABOUT them but rather TO them. :D | 03:58 |
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| b-man | I don't think there is a laptop out there that doesn't recive negitive comments.... | 04:01 |
| b-man | no laptop is perfect to everyone... | 04:01 |
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| lcuk | b-man, agreed, some want deskto preplacements, others want super tablets, yet more want small cheap light | 04:03 |
| * lcuk should alter the timing of his space key | 04:04 | |
| lcuk | gnite folks | 04:07 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:11 |
| rm_you | ooo playing with clutter could be fun | 04:11 |
| b-man | see ya tomorrow lcuk | 04:11 |
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| rm_you | GAN8001: lol, did you see Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay? :P | 04:13 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: they were like "we recovered their phone, sir!" and held up a 770. i cried a little on the inside. | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | I haven't gotten around to it yet | 04:14 |
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| GAN800 | Mr. Fantastic in FF4 2 types on his 770 like me. :p | 04:14 |
| rm_you | it was... humorous if you liked the last one, and ridiculously offensive if you thought the last one was ridiculously offensive | 04:14 |
| rm_you | so basically the same sort of thing | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | I loved the first one. | 04:15 |
| rm_you | then you'll love this one | 04:15 |
| rm_you | it has a lot of references to the first one too | 04:15 |
| GAN800 | You want to work on the settings dialog over break? :P | 04:16 |
| rm_you | but yeah, prepare to cringe when they hold up a 770 and call it, i believe, "an n7700" and refer to it only as a "phone" :P | 04:16 |
| rm_you | lol possibly | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Maybe Advanced Power too? :p | 04:16 |
| rm_you | i'm doing final tweaks for a release | 04:16 |
| rm_you | might be worth looking into | 04:16 |
| rm_you | johnx was poking me about working on Mer tasks | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Good, we'll push at least two for extra karma. :P | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 04:17 |
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| rm_you | lol | 04:17 |
| rm_you | what needs to be done for Advanced Power? | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | We're going to tear you into at least 13 pieces over the holidays. ;) | 04:17 |
| rm_you | that could be fun | 04:17 |
| rm_you | not the tearing. the power. :P | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | Needs to be ported to C from Python | 04:17 |
| rm_you | oh that's it? | 04:17 |
| rm_you | doable | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | Then some more polish | 04:17 |
| rm_you | i just wrote like 3000 lines of python in the last month | 04:17 |
| rm_you | so i think i can prolly manage that :P | 04:18 |
| rm_you | point me at the applet's page? | 04:18 |
| GAN800 | pypower on itT | 04:19 |
| netvictim | nokia's not bad at product placement | 04:20 |
| netvictim | until you get to the bit about placing product into customer's hands :) | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | I think we should add a graphical percentage bar to the menu. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | GAN800: one step at a time :P | 04:23 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 04:23 |
| * GAN800 is an idea spammer, not a doer. :P | 04:23 | |
| rm_you | heh | 04:23 |
| rm_you | is the deb in the post at the top the latest? | 04:24 |
| rm_you | 0.3.0-3? | 04:24 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 04:24 |
| rm_you | k | 04:24 |
| rm_you | damnit my ssh session timed out | 04:24 |
| johnx | rm_you, you joining in on pybattery dev work? | 04:24 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:24 |
| rm_you | porting it to C apparently | 04:24 |
| rm_you | or so GAN tells me | 04:25 |
| johnx | ahaha | 04:25 |
| GAN800 | Ehehe | 04:25 |
| rm_you | and I pretty much just do what he tells me these days :P | 04:25 |
| johnx | anyways, that's good for mer | 04:25 |
| johnx | I second it | 04:25 |
| GAN800 | Well, the guy's gone for the holidays. | 04:25 |
| rm_you | oooo Stevens has a 40" base now and more coming | 04:25 |
| johnx | I just hope I can land if I fly in on the 27th O_o | 04:25 |
| rm_you | O_o | 04:25 |
| GAN800 | O_o | 04:26 |
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| johnx | :D | 04:26 |
| * GAN800 doesn't follow, but it seemed appropriate. :P | 04:26 | |
| rm_you | yeah it took me like 4 hours to take off at Denver cause Seattle kept putting holds on the takeoffs | 04:26 |
| rm_you | GAN800: it is like 20 degrees and there is a foot of snow outside my window | 04:27 |
| rm_you | Seattle is like... shut down | 04:27 |
| * johnx salivates at the thought of snow driving | 04:27 | |
| rm_you | lol | 04:27 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:27 |
| GAN800 | Snow? What's that? | 04:27 |
| johnx | heh | 04:27 |
| johnx | that's what other Seattle drivers are saying as they slide sideways down hills | 04:28 |
| rm_you | mmm Baker is 41" of powder/packed powder | 04:28 |
| rm_you | and 11 degrees | 04:28 |
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| dystopia | AStorm: preparing for the pagan celebration | 04:35 |
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| fluxnuk3r | hello | 04:41 |
| johnx | hi | 04:42 |
| fluxnuk3r | anyone here know if the window manager setup Nokia uses is also opensource? | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | matchbox | 04:42 |
| johnx | fluxnuk3r, the window manager, and the side panels are open source, but some of the applets running in the side panels aren't | 04:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | yah, I wanted to know if the matchbox theme is free/opensource | 04:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | I have a small tablet pc I'd like to use it on | 04:43 |
| johnx | most of the themes are actually Nokia proprietary, but the plankton theme is CC 3.0 | 04:44 |
| fluxnuk3r | got a link? | 04:44 |
| johnx | one sec | 04:45 |
| johnx | http://trac.tspre.org/mer/jaunty/pool/main/h/hildon-theme-plankton/ | 04:46 |
| johnx | but without hildon-desktop you won't get the panels and it will probably look very odd | 04:46 |
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| fluxnuk3r | hildon-desktop? | 04:47 |
| fluxnuk3r | newb to this side of things.. | 04:47 |
| johnx | it provides the side panel and top panel and the main menu | 04:47 |
| fluxnuk3r | and its proprietary too isn't it? | 04:48 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 04:48 |
| johnx | no, it's not | 04:48 |
| fluxnuk3r | oh. | 04:48 |
| johnx | but some of the applets running in it are | 04:48 |
| johnx | this is hildon-desktop with matchbox and the plankton theme: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png | 04:49 |
| fluxnuk3r | well, I'm not too concerned about the applets, but I'm trying to use icewm on this "ultra mobile" tablet with a touchscreen as the main device and I want something simple | 04:49 |
| rm_you | erm | 04:49 |
| rm_you | isn't icewm a windowmanager? >_> | 04:49 |
| fluxnuk3r | yes | 04:50 |
| rm_you | then why do you need matchbox? | 04:50 |
| johnx | fluxnuk3r, yeah, hildon-desktop and matchbox might be pretty interesting in that setup | 04:50 |
| fluxnuk3r | bigger buttons | 04:50 |
| johnx | rm_you, I think he wants to replace icewm | 04:50 |
| rm_you | er | 04:50 |
| rm_you | oh | 04:50 |
| fluxnuk3r | I could always add my own applets though right? | 04:50 |
| johnx | yeah, sure | 04:51 |
| fluxnuk3r | this is what it'd be going on: | 04:51 |
| fluxnuk3r | http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/hitachi-visionplate.gif | 04:51 |
| johnx | yeah, matchbox+hildon-desktop might work nicely, but you'll have a little hacking ahead of you :) | 04:51 |
| johnx | have you looked at just using "ubuntu mobile" ? | 04:52 |
| fluxnuk3r | because I've hacked slackware 12.1 down to 180 megs to fit on a 256mb CF card :D | 04:52 |
| johnx | spend $10 to get a bigger CF card? :P | 04:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | device won't read it | 04:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | at least the 4 I have won't | 04:53 |
| johnx | wow | 04:53 |
| johnx | that's pretty b0rken | 04:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 04:53 |
| johnx | CF cards are supposed to be size independent for the most part | 04:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | I spend the money on it, i don't want them to go to waste | 04:53 |
| johnx | yeah, seems reasonable | 04:54 |
| johnx | actually you might be interested in Mer then. :) | 04:54 |
| fluxnuk3r | well, there is another guy that can use a 2gb card on his, but he has one of the few tablets that does | 04:54 |
| fluxnuk3r | Mer? | 04:54 |
| johnx | ubuntu minbase + Nokia's maemo (hildon-desktop, libhildon, matchbox) | 04:54 |
| johnx | currently fitting in ~100 MB of NAND, but that's with jffs2 compression | 04:55 |
| fluxnuk3r | oh. I want to keep it light | 04:55 |
| rm_you | less than 100mb isn't too bad | 04:55 |
| fluxnuk3r | icewm is like 734 kb | 04:55 |
| rm_you | well... yeah but you need other services... :/ | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | can't stand *buntu* | 04:56 |
| johnx | how much RAM does this machine have? | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | bout 92 megs | 04:56 |
| johnx | fluxnuk3r, this will be lighter than your slackware install | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | 400mhz processor | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | transmeta | 04:56 |
| johnx | I'm running it here on a 400MHz ARM w/ 64MB of RAM | 04:56 |
| johnx | runs well enough | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | johnx: may be, but I'm still against ubuntu | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 04:56 |
| johnx | well, then I can't help you | 04:56 |
| fluxnuk3r | and I've spent...a long time hacking slack | 04:57 |
| johnx | if you want the UI to look like the Nokia tablets, be prepared to spend a lot more time hacking, but if you get anywhere, do tell me :) | 04:57 |
| johnx | I'd be interested to hear how it goes | 04:57 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol. ok | 04:57 |
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| johnx | so can you upgrade this mini-slackware in place without it breaking? | 04:58 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 04:59 |
| johnx | obviously yes or obviously no? :P | 04:59 |
| fluxnuk3r | I build each "edition" from the original packages, make an iso, burn it to an rw, install it to the card, mount it on my other computer, change the fstab, then I can boot | 04:59 |
| fluxnuk3r | to save the card's longevity the os has to be ro when I'm done | 04:59 |
| johnx | ah, CF cards are tough | 05:00 |
| johnx | they'll survive getting thrashed a little | 05:00 |
| * johnx swaps to SD | 05:00 | |
| fluxnuk3r | yah, I hope so. its hard to find 256 mb cards anymore though | 05:01 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess so. looks like an interesting tablet though | 05:01 |
| johnx | too bad it doesn't support the CF spec right :/ | 05:01 |
| fluxnuk3r | yah, its not bad. | 05:01 |
| fluxnuk3r | I got Slackware 11 working with X and internet only to find out I needed udevd to get the touchscreen working | 05:02 |
| fluxnuk3r | sucks. | 05:02 |
| fluxnuk3r | (udevd needs a 2.6 kernel) | 05:02 |
| johnx | aaah, it can run 2.6, right? | 05:02 |
| fluxnuk3r | 11 is 2.4.3 | 05:03 |
| fluxnuk3r | you want a serious hacking job, put a 2.6 kernel in a 2.4 system and make it work | 05:03 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:03 |
| johnx | forgot how long slack stuck with 2.4.x | 05:03 |
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| fluxnuk3r | yes, and it was originally thought that you needed a 2.4 kernel to use the touchscreen | 05:04 |
| fluxnuk3r | but we're talking about transmeta, Linus's place | 05:04 |
| fluxnuk3r | they just hacked the damn thing to make it do what they wanted | 05:04 |
| johnx | 512 x 768 resolution? | 05:05 |
| johnx | that's pretty odd | 05:05 |
| fluxnuk3r | no | 05:05 |
| fluxnuk3r | 800x600 | 05:05 |
| johnx | ah, that'd be perfect for hildon-desktop | 05:05 |
| johnx | does it have a usb port or some way to add additional storage? | 05:06 |
| fluxnuk3r | 2 usb | 05:06 |
| fluxnuk3r | 2 pcmcia | 05:06 |
| johnx | jeez, why not boot from CF in a PCMCIA slot? | 05:06 |
| johnx | all the space you could ever want and it wouldn't even stick out the side | 05:06 |
| * johnx should find one of these things | 05:07 | |
| fluxnuk3r | it can only boot from the hdd or a usb-floppy | 05:07 |
| johnx | also, if I'm asking dumb questions just tell me where to RTFM :) | 05:07 |
| fluxnuk3r | I would but there is no manual | 05:07 |
| fluxnuk3r | l | 05:07 |
| fluxnuk3r | *lol | 05:07 |
| fluxnuk3r | doing all of this from what works and what doesn't | 05:08 |
| johnx | so, do what people do on embedded linux all the time, load the kernel from where you need to and start an initfs then pivot_root over to someplace with space | 05:08 |
| fluxnuk3r | tried DSL, Puppy, Feather, Slax, Austrumi, etc | 05:08 |
| fluxnuk3r | I have no idea what the pro's do | 05:08 |
| fluxnuk3r | this is my "big project" | 05:09 |
| johnx | well, it's not a pro thing so much as a "OMG we have no space" thing | 05:09 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:09 |
| johnx | man, I'd love to get my hands on one :D | 05:09 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 05:10 |
| * GAN8001 glad he's not yet that sick. :P | 05:10 | |
| fluxnuk3r | well, I feel good about the project so far. some slackers since 8.0 and before said I couldn't get it under 400mb | 05:10 |
| johnx | so are you compiling your own kernel and booting without initfs? just straight to mounting / ? | 05:11 |
| fluxnuk3r | just the generic-smp kernel | 05:11 |
| johnx | no initfs, right? | 05:11 |
| fluxnuk3r | not yet | 05:12 |
| fluxnuk3r | want to get the damn thing working before I start tweaking | 05:12 |
| johnx | yeah, that's the right approach | 05:13 |
| fluxnuk3r | I had to cut the glibc and gtk packages in half | 05:13 |
| fluxnuk3r | you know that half of those packages are locale files? | 05:13 |
| johnx | oh I do | 05:14 |
| johnx | did you know it takes like 7 hours to compile the docs for them on a 400MHz ARM? | 05:14 |
| fluxnuk3r | I'm sorry, if you don't speak english, my os aint for you | 05:14 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:14 |
| fluxnuk3r | oh nice | 05:14 |
| johnx | you mean if you don't speack "C" ? :D | 05:14 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:15 |
| johnx | anyways, if you have PCMCIA support in your kernel you could load the kernel from that CF card and have root come from a CF card in a PCMCIA adapter | 05:15 |
| fluxnuk3r | well, I'm probably just going to put a sym link in between /home and USB drive | 05:15 |
| johnx | what kind of battery life do you get out of it? | 05:16 |
| johnx | (and where do I buy one?) | 05:17 |
| fluxnuk3r | bout 2 hours | 05:17 |
| fluxnuk3r | I got mine off ebay | 05:17 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:17 |
| fluxnuk3r | struck a deal, $230 for 4 tablets, 4 grips, 2 docks, 4 chargers, and 5 batteries | 05:17 |
| johnx | is it an OEM thing? or is hitachi the only one who made them? | 05:18 |
| fluxnuk3r | I don't know much of the history | 05:18 |
| fluxnuk3r | the original OS was called Midori | 05:18 |
| fluxnuk3r | had firefox 1.0 on it | 05:18 |
| fluxnuk3r | almost useless | 05:18 |
| fluxnuk3r | if not worse | 05:18 |
| johnx | man, maemo would look great on it | 05:19 |
| fluxnuk3r | I might stick it on there if I actually get X running. | 05:20 |
| fluxnuk3r | what an irony right? | 05:20 |
| fluxnuk3r | 11 had X with no touchscreen | 05:20 |
| fluxnuk3r | 12.1 has touchscreen with no X | 05:20 |
| johnx | why no X? | 05:21 |
| fluxnuk3r | its printing out that I'm missing some packages. | 05:21 |
| fluxnuk3r | about to try my new build right now.. | 05:21 |
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| johnx | darn, can't find one for sale. but I guess I have enough stuff to play with to keep me busy over christmas | 05:22 |
| johnx | including getting my own distro on my own tablet :) | 05:23 |
| fluxnuk3r | what tablet? | 05:23 |
| johnx | n800 | 05:23 |
| fluxnuk3r | ah | 05:24 |
| fluxnuk3r | bet theres a lot more documentation on that than mine | 05:24 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:24 |
| johnx | well, there is and there isn't | 05:24 |
| johnx | ARM hardware can have som really annoying closed areas and is much less standard than x86 hardware | 05:25 |
| dystopia | what hardware are you talking about flux | 05:26 |
| fluxnuk3r | hitachi visionplate | 05:26 |
| johnx | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4518860766.html | 05:26 |
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| fluxnuk3r | yup, thats it | 05:26 |
| dystopia | Transmeta Crusoe! | 05:27 |
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| johnx | man, lcuk would have kittens. I think this is exactly what he was looking for | 05:28 |
| fluxnuk3r | ... | 05:28 |
| johnx | does it have a stand or something? | 05:29 |
| fluxnuk3r | it has a dock | 05:30 |
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| skibur_ | what is the latest version of Diablo? | 05:30 |
| skibur_ | any updates in the past 2 months? | 05:30 |
| johnx | skibur_, just a couple days ago | 05:30 |
| johnx | 43-7 | 05:30 |
| skibur_ | hum... something is wrong with my Diablo then | 05:31 |
| skibur_ | need to check | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | ~ssu | 05:31 |
| infobot | i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | johnx, he needs Clutter. . . . | 05:32 |
| johnx | GAN800, hmm? who does? | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | lcuk | 05:32 |
| johnx | aah, right. I guess I missed him getting interested in that | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | The purpose is mostly to play with Maemo 5 before the RX-51 is out. | 05:33 |
| johnx | heh. thus the interest in mer | 05:34 |
| johnx | I remember him just wanting more screen space as of late november | 05:34 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, his demands have grown. :D | 05:34 |
| johnx | and he's willing to take on linux on his own it seems now :) | 05:34 |
| fluxnuk3r | wth. | 05:36 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol... | 05:36 |
| johnx | fluxnuk3r, so entirely hypothetically, if someone asked you to sell them one of these 4, would you be willing and how much would you ask? (just hypothetically for now) | 05:38 |
| fluxnuk3r | I'm not sure | 05:39 |
| fluxnuk3r | with all the work I'd have put into the system by that time I don't know | 05:39 |
| johnx | hmm? oh, I'd want it bare with no OS | 05:39 |
| johnx | no offense, but I'm not a big slack fan | 05:40 |
| johnx | I'd be using this as another target for Mer :) | 05:40 |
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| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:41 |
| fluxnuk3r | why not a slack fan? | 05:41 |
| johnx | I just became a big fan of apt too early in my linux career | 05:42 |
| johnx | every other package system feels kind of flimsy to me | 05:42 |
| johnx | I played with slack a couple years ago, but I never got very far, and I didn't see any big advantage vs debuntu | 05:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | ah | 05:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | I started off with gNewSense | 05:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | then Fedora | 05:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | then Ubuntu | 05:43 |
| johnx | I started with RedHat 5.1 and it nearly made me insane | 05:43 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:44 |
| fluxnuk3r | never used redhat | 05:44 |
| fluxnuk3r | used centos though | 05:44 |
| johnx | same thing | 05:44 |
| johnx | but 5.1 was a world of pain | 05:45 |
| fluxnuk3r | I distro-hopped for a while. Used slackware, went to ubuntu, ubuntu drove me insane, went back to slack | 05:47 |
| johnx | I switched between ubuntu and debian for a while, and gnome and wmaker. right now I'm ubuntu/gnome but any week now it will probably $*(&% me off and I'll install debian and wmaker on a spare partition :) | 05:48 |
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| fluxnuk3r | I've used...gNewSense, Fedora 5,6, and 8. Ubuntu 6.06, 7.04, 7.10, and 8.04. Debian Etch, CentOS 4* and 5, Solaris, Kubuntu... | 05:49 |
| fluxnuk3r | there are more, just can't remember them | 05:49 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:49 |
| derf | One of these things is not like the others. | 05:50 |
| fluxnuk3r | ? | 05:50 |
| fluxnuk3r | Solaris? | 05:50 |
| johnx | derf, ah, solarlis just wants to be a linux distro these days. let it play :P | 05:50 |
| derf | fluxnuk3r: Surely you had Sesame Street as a kid? | 05:51 |
| * johnx sings: one of things is not like the other, one of these things just isn't the same | 05:52 | |
| fluxnuk3r | yah, but can't connect it to this.. | 05:52 |
| fluxnuk3r | oh | 05:52 |
| fluxnuk3r | yah. dumb phrase. got it | 05:52 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:52 |
| johnx | stuck in my head now. thanks derf :P | 05:52 |
| derf | I've from the government. I'm here to help. | 05:53 |
| derf | *I'm | 05:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | government?? | 05:53 |
| derf | I'm not actually from the government. | 05:53 |
| johnx | he's really from Verizon | 05:53 |
| * fluxnuk3r has a sigh of relief | 05:53 | |
| fluxnuk3r | Verizon. | 05:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | lol | 05:53 |
| fluxnuk3r | close enough | 05:54 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: hrmrmrm | 06:06 |
| johnx | is that the sound of an rm_you revving his engine? | 06:07 |
| * GAN800 waits with baited breath. | 06:07 | |
| johnx | you should stop eating worms | 06:07 |
| rm_you | heh | 06:08 |
| * johnx ducks O_o | 06:08 | |
| rm_you | yeah, my "hrm" is a bit... recursive? :P | 06:08 |
| rm_you | self-referential? | 06:08 |
| rm_you | hrm rm rm rm | 06:08 |
| rm_you | eh was going to try to say something about a timeline, but | 06:10 |
| rm_you | let's just say, yes, I think I can do this | 06:10 |
| rm_you | still deciding exactly HOW. | 06:10 |
| rm_you | whether I want copy the files from ABL and do a bunch of s/backlight/power/g | 06:10 |
| rm_you | or start from scratch | 06:10 |
| rm_you | and build up, using ABL as a reference | 06:11 |
| johnx | rm_you, you'll end up writing most of the applets we'll be using in Mer...without even intending to :D | 06:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:11 |
| rm_you | I should prolly cut ABL down to a framework for a menu/settings/gconf/popup applet | 06:11 |
| johnx | I wonder how much of a pain it will be when we make you switch to OHM on the backend instead of DSME/MCE | 06:12 |
| rm_you | eh | 06:12 |
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| johnx | GAN800, GAN8001, is that both N800s that you just signed on? :P | 06:40 |
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| rm_you | GAN has too many tablets :P | 06:43 |
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| johnx | rm_you, he dropped one just now it looks like :D | 06:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, er, wait, why would I want hildon-input-method installed on a device with a keyboard? | 06:46 |
| * johnx <3 the google search wiki thing | 06:50 | |
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| johnx | yahoo answers is really damaging my faith in humanity | 07:19 |
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| disco_stuN800 | lol.. why? | 07:19 |
| johnx | i dunno, some chick asking whether she should be a trucker after she leaves highschool. she's got two kids and two dogs and wants to homeschool the kids while driving around the country... | 07:20 |
| johnx | and so she wants advice whether this a good idea from a bunch of people on the internet O_o | 07:20 |
| disco_stuN800 | you're rigth | 07:21 |
| disco_stuN800 | sounds crazy | 07:21 |
| Belagern | my family has alot of truckers, and i have to say that's a horrible idea :s | 07:21 |
| johnx | and *all* of them are like that as far as I've seen | 07:21 |
| disco_stuN800 | a girl driving | 07:23 |
| Belagern | it's bad enough that she has 2 kids and in high school (from the perspective of how hard it must already be) | 07:23 |
| disco_stuN800 | a girl driving a truck | 07:23 |
| disco_stuN800 | thats loco | 07:23 |
| johnx | these are questions that should never have needed to be asked | 07:24 |
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| disco_stuN800 | johnx, globalization.. to answer shit | 07:25 |
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| disco_stuN800 | johnx, where you live? | 07:27 |
| Navi | disco_stuN800: in your bed | 07:27 |
| johnx | hey Navi :) | 07:27 |
| disco_stuN800 | the channel is quite at this time | 07:27 |
| Navi | Hai | 07:27 |
| disco_stuN800 | here is 2.27 am | 07:27 |
| johnx | disco_stuN800, I live on an IRC channel | 07:27 |
| disco_stuN800 | Navi, hi sucker | 07:27 |
| johnx | disco_stuN800, heh, I'm 12h ahead of you :) | 07:28 |
| disco_stuN800 | lol | 07:28 |
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| johnx | and I must say the future is an awesome place | 07:28 |
| disco_stuN800 | you live in the future | 07:28 |
| johnx | yes | 07:28 |
| disco_stuN800 | lucky one | 07:28 |
| johnx | I used to live in the past with Microsoft as my next store neighbor | 07:29 |
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| Navi | johnx is tainted | 07:29 |
| Navi | puuurrgggeee | 07:29 |
| johnx | Navi, it's worse than you think. I worked right next to MS in an office that was nothing but Macs :D | 07:30 |
| Navi | johnx's soul is as black as africans | 07:30 |
| Navi | puuurrgggeee | 07:30 |
| jaska | heh, my office used to be across the road from microsoft finland hq.. shame bill never showed up or i would have applied cream pies | 07:31 |
| disco_stuN800 | in the channel there are lots of M$ worshipers | 07:31 |
| Navi | purge them all | 07:31 |
| johnx | jaska, my office was blocks away from MS HQ, HQ | 07:31 |
| Navi | was it red and full of almonds? | 07:32 |
| disco_stuN800 | my house is 10.000km away from MS HQ | 07:32 |
| johnx | huh? nah, just full of buildings owned by MS all over the freaking place | 07:32 |
| Navi | :P | 07:32 |
| johnx | they had their own rush hour | 07:32 |
| Navi | lol | 07:32 |
| Navi | Purge | 07:33 |
| disco_stuN800 | thousands of people and nothing good achieved by those jerks | 07:33 |
| johnx | it sucked so bad when they all left work at the same time. I made the mistake of trying to take a shortcut by the MS ... district of Redmond when it was snowing. got stuck on the same block for like an hour as they all tried to pile out of the parking lot | 07:33 |
| Navi | ha | 07:34 |
| johnx | disco_stuN800, they're not bad people individually. A corporation has a life and motive that's more than the sum of its parts | 07:35 |
| Navi | I blame johnx | 07:36 |
| disco_stuN800 | johnx, ok, i thought they were brainwashed like mcdonalds boyz | 07:36 |
| johnx | Navi, for snow related traffic jams? or the fact that money is a major motivation of public companies? | 07:36 |
| Navi | For all of the world's problems | 07:37 |
| johnx | disco_stuN800, probably the managers are | 07:37 |
| Navi | It's because of your existance | 07:37 |
| johnx | ~blame Navi | 07:37 |
| Navi | are you proud of yourself? | 07:37 |
| * infobot blames Navi (and Canada) for all the evil in the world | 07:37 | |
| disco_stuN800 | mcdonalds changes even the DNA of their poor employees | 07:37 |
| johnx | Navi, infobot is with me :P | 07:37 |
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| disco_stuN800 | ~blame disco_stuN800 | 07:38 |
| * infobot blames disco_stuN800 (and Canada) for all the evil in the world | 07:38 | |
| johnx | there's enough blame to go around :) | 07:39 |
| disco_stuN800 | it wont detect countries.. :( | 07:39 |
| johnx | Canada is always blamed :) | 07:39 |
| disco_stuN800 | ~curse infobot | 07:39 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot ! | 07:39 |
| disco_stuN800 | poor Canada. seeems | 07:40 |
| disco_stuN800 | nice country | 07:40 |
| johnx | meh, they should have thought of that before causing all the evil in the world | 07:40 |
| disco_stuN800 | i dont see how. they are only a bunch of lumberjacks | 07:41 |
| johnx | that's what they want you to think | 07:41 |
| disco_stuN800 | i would like to live in Russia | 07:43 |
| disco_stuN800 | i love mother russia. | 07:43 |
| johnx | so you've been there before? | 07:43 |
| disco_stuN800 | not yet | 07:44 |
| disco_stuN800 | :( | 07:44 |
| johnx | big jump between reading about a country and moving there | 07:44 |
| disco_stuN800 | i love their culture. i would be fine. | 07:44 |
| johnx | you can never know a country's culture until you live there for a year or so | 07:45 |
| johnx | not that I'm trying to discourage you. I think it's good for people to move to new places | 07:45 |
| disco_stuN800 | johnx, stop stopping me from dreaming :p | 07:46 |
| johnx | nah, you should go there | 07:46 |
| johnx | just don't expect that it will be exactly like you read about | 07:46 |
| disco_stuN800 | i will | 07:46 |
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| disco_stuN800 | i love the country, dont expect nothing from it | 07:47 |
| johnx | well, you already expect to love it :) | 07:47 |
| disco_stuN800 | no, i do love it. its a fact | 07:47 |
| disco_stuN800 | i lived 2 months in cambridge and hated their food a lot | 07:48 |
| johnx | ahaha | 07:48 |
| johnx | food is one of the hard parts | 07:49 |
| johnx | if you start traveling, no matter where you go you always miss the food from someplace else :) | 07:49 |
| disco_stuN800 | johnx, especially from here | 07:49 |
| disco_stuN800 | we eat tons of meat :) | 07:50 |
| Navi | I cook my own food | 07:50 |
| disco_stuN800 | my mom cooks for me | 07:51 |
| Navi | rarely eat out, soz there's not much to miss | 07:51 |
| Navi | lern2kook | 07:51 |
| johnx | Navi, I will now laugh at you: hahahaha | 07:51 |
| Navi | :P | 07:52 |
| Navi | ~insult johnx | 07:52 |
| infobot | johnx is nothing but a vassal-willed enema-bucketful of clapper-clawed cat-hair-balls | 07:52 |
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| disco_stuN800 | all i can cook is asados :) | 07:52 |
| disco_stuN800 | like barbecue, but better | 07:52 |
| johnx | Navi, I *do* cook. But I have to *buy* ingredients | 07:53 |
| Navi | ZOMG | 07:54 |
| Navi | Whoa, wtf | 07:54 |
| johnx | crazy huh? | 07:54 |
| Navi | Yeah, 'teva, fool | 07:54 |
| Navi | All my parents buy is chinese spices and shit | 07:55 |
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| disco_stuN800 | cooking is not fun | 07:55 |
| Navi | sure it is | 07:56 |
| disco_stuN800 | no its not. | 07:56 |
| johnx | it can be fun | 07:56 |
| Navi | it really is, if you're awesome | 07:56 |
| johnx | you need to try and get better at it | 07:56 |
| disco_stuN800 | no tech involved | 07:56 |
| Navi | lolwut | 07:56 |
| johnx | life != tech | 07:56 |
| Navi | disco_stuN800: get a modern kitchen | 07:57 |
| Navi | still cooking with sharpened rocks? | 07:57 |
| Navi | and flat rocks | 07:57 |
| * johnx loves his little portable butane burner | 07:57 | |
| johnx | s/butane/LPG?/ | 07:57 |
| Navi | no more sedbot? | 07:57 |
| Navi | :( | 07:57 |
| johnx | s/butane// | 07:57 |
| Navi | asdf | 07:58 |
| johnx | fail | 07:58 |
| Navi | s/sd/yousuck/ | 07:58 |
| infobot | Navi meant: ayousuckf | 07:58 |
| Navi | lolwut | 07:58 |
| Navi | must not have registered your emote | 07:58 |
| johnx | whatever. the bots are out to get me :/ | 07:58 |
| Navi | ~kill johnx | 07:58 |
| * infobot shoots a hyper-charged fluxquark gun at johnx | 07:58 | |
| johnx | ~stab Navi | 07:59 |
| * infobot runs at Navi with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 07:59 | |
| disco_stuN800 | boys, see you tomorrow | 07:59 |
| Navi | Ooh, an original | 07:59 |
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| johnx | 'later disco_stuN800 | 07:59 |
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| disco_stuN800 | ~fuck Navi | 07:59 |
| disco_stuN800 | that one isnt :p | 08:00 |
| spencer_ | how do i setup the locales in scratchbox?? i got "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")." when i run my autogen.sh during the autoconf step... :( | 08:00 |
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| Navi | vi /etc/locale.gen | 08:01 |
| Navi | locale-gen | 08:01 |
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| qwerty12 | ~burn initfs for not having chroot binary | 09:50 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over initfs for not having chroot binary, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 09:50 | |
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| * RST38h moos at qwerty gleefully | 09:54 | |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 09:55 |
| johnx | up early for a sunday, aren't you qwerty12 ? | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, :P. I've built a statically linked chroot binary against uclibc from busybox, just need to put it into the initfs folder I've got got the computer and run mkfs.jffs2 :P | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, heh, I'm up at whatever time :D. I'd be up earlier but my tablet messed up and I use it as an alarm :) | 09:56 |
| johnx | don't you use a writeable initfs? or are you low on room? | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, hmm, that's a good point. I wonder if I can remount it rw while I'm currently using it... | 09:56 |
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| johnx | yeah, that's fine | 09:57 |
| johnx | I do that all the time | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | but having a chroot binary is useful anyway so I don't have to go through this again :/ | 09:57 |
| johnx | yes, chroot is a wonderful thing | 09:57 |
| * johnx finally started using his tablet for video calls today | 09:58 | |
| qwerty12 | good or a bad thing? :) | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | oops, I mean did it go well >.< | 09:58 |
| johnx | worked ok on my end, but my sister's macbook has horrible echo problems using the builtin speaker and mic | 09:59 |
| johnx | so I was constantly talking over myself | 09:59 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 10:00 |
| rm_you | my GF's macbook worked fine for that | 10:00 |
| rm_you | :( | 10:00 |
| johnx | it works great tablet to tablet | 10:00 |
| rm_you | maybe she had it turned up too loud? >_> | 10:00 |
| johnx | quite possible | 10:00 |
| johnx | or maybe the echo cancelation failed because there was almost a second or two of lag | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart dropbear for sftp weirdness | 10:02 |
| * infobot installs PocketPC on dropbear's PDA for sftp weirdness | 10:02 | |
| johnx | yeah, hence why everyone's using openssh even though it's bigger | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | yeah :/. shame we have to compile statically for initfs otherwise I'd have replaced dropbear with openssh no problem :/ | 10:03 |
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| johnx | I'm just keeping telnetd on initfs. does it have problems on your system? | 10:04 |
| qwerty12 | No, I'm able to telnet and ssh in fine - i'm just missing being able to sftp. But scp works :) | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | and so does my chroot binary | 10:05 |
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| qwerty12 | now I can get on with tarring up my rootfs so I can dpkg-repack the mpd from it :D | 10:05 |
| johnx | so what are you working on that needs to be rescued from initfs? | 10:06 |
| * johnx really wants normal alsa drivers from the CPU side of the omap2 | 10:06 | |
| qwerty12 | the mpd and libraries i all compiled with vfp & mtune etc. I don't have the debs on the computer any more and hell if I'm wasting another day recompiling it all >.< | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | yeah :/ | 10:07 |
| johnx | it's gonna be a painful incompatibility with lots of normal audio apps | 10:07 |
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| qwerty12 | <sigh> finally... I do need to replace busybox's compression utils though.... | 10:10 |
| johnx | initfs' busybox? | 10:13 |
| qwerty12 | yep, although I do the same with the ones in maemo thanks to zap uploading the gnu ones to extras. the ones in the initfs are especially bad because it won't support file names over a 100 characters. hence me compiling chroot so I can use gnutar from rootfs... | 10:14 |
| johnx | do you really need chroot? what about LD_LIBRARY_PATH? | 10:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I've never actually used LD_LIBRARY_PATH so I don't know how it works properly :/. I'm used to chrooting :/ | 10:16 |
| johnx | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/rootfs/usr/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH /mnt/rootfs/usr/bin/gnutar | 10:17 |
| johnx | or so I would assume :) | 10:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ah I see, thanks :) | 10:17 |
| johnx | er | 10:17 |
| qwerty12 | But i'm still putting chroot into the initfs image I have because I won't remember that :P | 10:17 |
| johnx | need to add /mnt/rootfs/lib as well | 10:17 |
| johnx | I'll make you a script :) | 10:18 |
| qwerty12 | heh, ok :) | 10:18 |
| johnx | where do you mount the flash usually? | 10:18 |
| qwerty12 | /tmp/rootfs | 10:18 |
| johnx | can't test this, but it might work: http://pastebin.ca/1290684 | 10:20 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 10:20 |
| johnx | put it in initfs and name it gnutar | 10:20 |
| johnx | no prob. you've helped me often enough | 10:20 |
| johnx | do you really find yourself with an unbootable tablet that often? | 10:22 |
| qwerty12 | yes :(. I attribute this one to a theme change because when I boot up with the charger in and press power, I get a unthemed systemui. If I choose to start osso-xterm from the menu, it ignores me :( | 10:23 |
| johnx | eep | 10:24 |
| * johnx sighs at how fragile maemo is | 10:24 | |
| qwerty12 | :) | 10:26 |
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| StsN800 | johnx, mostly cos most people use osk at times even when having kbd | 11:23 |
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| johnx | fair enough, I'd like to test it on a 640x480 layout before making it a hard and fast dependency. | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | is it good or bad news that today decides to be the day my baseline windows install fails.. | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | I've had to reflash twice this morning :( | 11:35 |
| * johnx can't even make mer or deblet boot on his n800 | 11:35 | |
| johnx | lcuk, it's a good day to start on your linux installation journey :) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: true | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: did it fail at imaging or? there is the hildon-desktop-env issue | 11:36 |
| johnx | imaging? I just debootstrapped a fresh setup, had it boot like twice and no more :/ | 11:37 |
| johnx | there it goes O_o | 11:37 |
| johnx | think it was a bootmenu problem ... | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:38 |
| lcuk | johnx :) like i said last night, it mustv heard me because it didnt want to startup last night, ill pick up that usb dvd-rw drive in a bit and make a start | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: imaging is when using the mer imager to make the install ;) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | (which will be done by a qemu eventually to generate tar.gz's) | 11:39 |
| johnx | ... I have no idea where to find that | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | Morning,al | 11:40 |
| Jaffa | +l | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager or http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-imager-20081207-1339.tar.gz | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | then use sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /TARGET/DIRECTORY | 11:41 |
| johnx | hey cool :) | 11:42 |
| johnx | hi Jaffa | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | and it will debootstrap and apt-get the right things and set up X, etc | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | you can make a zaurus target too probably | 11:42 |
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| johnx | yeah, for zaurus it's just the xorg. the rest is just a standard debuntu system | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | (so far :P) | 11:43 |
| johnx | er, no really. that's it :P | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:45 |
| johnx | ah, you refer to OHM rules for it maybe? | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | well we might alter mer base eventually to be a little different than a typical debuntu system so | 11:46 |
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| johnx | well, if it will boot on an x86 laptop, the same fs structure should boot on a zaurus | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | true | 11:50 |
| * Stskeeps raises his fist at scratchbox devkits | 11:52 | |
| qwerty12 | messing with sb2 again? :P | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | no, sb1 | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is.. sb1 debian devkit dpkg doesn't accept "Breaks:" | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | which fucks up ubuntu packages | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | oh :(. When someone has sbox problems, I only attribute it to sb2 | 11:53 |
| johnx | aaah, old dpkg, huh? | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah.. I have to force-all my way out of that one... | 11:53 |
| johnx | wonder what the difference between Breaks: and Conflicts: | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | more hard than conflicts maybe | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | wow http://pastebin.com/d4edab9a3 | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's a good point behind that | 11:55 |
| lcuk | grrrrr qwerty12 | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | hello to you too lcuk :) | 11:58 |
| lcuk | morning :) | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | heh, morning :) | 11:59 |
| lcuk | Dec 21 01:09:10 *qwerty12_n800 has quit ("night") | 12:00 |
| lcuk | Dec 21 01:09:29 <lcuk>qwerty12_n800, you may know, | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | The chan seemed dead and I was getting tired :) | 12:00 |
| lcuk | yeah bastid \@/ | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 12:01 |
| lcuk | right, im goin gettin a cd burner, bbl | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | lcuk,johnx,zap: EHLO all | 12:08 |
| johnx | greetings once again RST38h | 12:08 |
| lcuk | 452: fail | 12:09 |
| zap | 250-zap Hello marat@trantor.komkon.org [65.217.243.220], pleased to meet you | 12:10 |
| lcuk | ( RST38h decipher my failure message, im goin buyin a cd writer ;)) | 12:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, Nokia made a public version of NITRO | 12:47 |
| StsN800 | oh? | 12:48 |
| AStorm | huh? | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, the maemo-display-name is "Crash Reporter" | 12:48 |
| AStorm | ah | 12:48 |
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| StsN800 | sounds good | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if it tells you what program died like Nitro does.. | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | ^ is the only reason I had nitro installed | 12:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Now we need a public version of FTD :P | 12:50 |
| AStorm | it runs gdb --core? | 12:51 |
| AStorm | :> | 12:51 |
| zap | strange, last feature upgrade doesn't work for me from AppManager. Says can't find bluez-utils-3.28-0osso4. | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | zap, uninstall minigpsd and/or bluez-utils-test if you have it installed. tz1 messed things up :/ | 12:55 |
| johnx | zap, disable extras-devel | 12:55 |
| zap | aha | 12:55 |
| AStorm | johnx, nah, extras-devel work ok | 12:59 |
| AStorm | I mean, you can pick just OS update | 12:59 |
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| dererk | Hi there! | 13:03 |
| dererk | I've a big problem I couldn't find a way to solve. Happens to be that when I connect a bluetooth keyboard, it completely disables manual input (by using touchscreen), even though the keyboard and the whole bluetooth is disconnected | 13:04 |
| dererk | turning to be completely impposible to input text :\ | 13:04 |
| AStorm | hm | 13:04 |
| dererk | anyone have and idea about it? | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | dererk, this may help : http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/2008/07/n800-restoring-on-screen-keyboard.html | 13:05 |
| dererk | s/and/an/ | 13:05 |
| infobot | dererk meant: anyone have an idea about it? | 13:05 |
| dererk | qwerty12, Hi! :D | 13:06 |
| dererk | checking | 13:06 |
| qwerty12 | hi dererk :) | 13:06 |
| dererk | marvellous! :D | 13:08 |
| dererk | qwerty12, thanks =) | 13:08 |
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| qwerty12 | no problem :) | 13:08 |
| zap | indeed, uninstalling minigpsd helped | 13:14 |
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| dererk | does 'Diablo' branch have something interesting ? | 13:17 |
| johnx | some bug fixes, some speed improvements, a better mail client | 13:22 |
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| qwerty12 | zap, hmm, you know your bash package (the 3.x version in -devel), there is a major bug with it... | 13:30 |
| zap | yes? | 13:31 |
| * lcuk karate chops johnx | 13:31 | |
| johnx | eh? | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | zap, If you don't run an osso-xterm and let bash-setup.sh do its stuff, it will hang the boot process. I only saw this after using usb networking in initfs and running ps :/ | 13:32 |
| zap | shit | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | I had to kill it about 4 times :/ | 13:32 |
| zap | the real bug is that you can't detect if sh is running in interactive or non-interactive mode :-( | 13:33 |
| johnx | [ -z "$PS1" ] && return | 13:34 |
| johnx | that's what my .bashrc says at least...I'm not entirely sure how that's supposed to work | 13:34 |
| zap | this works for bash | 13:35 |
| zap | not for ash | 13:35 |
| johnx | ah, sadness | 13:35 |
| zap | must try to find a way though | 13:35 |
| dererk | ah, thanks | 13:36 |
| dererk | qwerty12, cya around! | 13:36 |
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| RST38h | ~curse DirectFB | 13:42 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DirectFB ! | 13:42 |
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| _nuke__ | hi | 13:43 |
| _nuke__ | do you know if it's possible to install os2007 into nokia 770 | 13:44 |
| _nuke__ | ? | 13:45 |
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| qwerty12 | _nuke__, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php | 13:45 |
| _nuke__ | ohhh thank you | 13:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, mer on x86, is it feasible yet | 13:46 |
| AStorm | who would want it? | 13:48 |
| AStorm | :XP | 13:48 |
| johnx | AStorm, lcuk will want it | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:49 |
| lcuk | well im just about to put linux on my new tabletpc, might as well be the right one :) | 13:49 |
| johnx | lcuk, probably not yet, might as well start with ubuntu and install a mer chroot | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | Install a normal x86 distro and set up N800 emulation :) | 13:50 |
| lcuk | scratchbox you mean | 13:50 |
| AStorm | tell me how | 13:50 |
| AStorm | ah, right | 13:50 |
| AStorm | binfmt_misc can do that | 13:50 |
| lcuk | or proper hrw'esq | 13:50 |
| AStorm | :> | 13:50 |
| AStorm | who needs sbox | 13:51 |
| AStorm | you can do that w/o chroots | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | ~bitchslap qwerty12 for installing hildon-theme-ilona >.< | 13:51 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of qwerty12 for installing hildon-theme-ilona >.< | 13:51 | |
| * lcuk has new dvd writer, its gotta be wrapped up for xmas at 3pm so ive gotta be quick | 13:51 | |
| johnx | ahaha | 13:51 |
| lcuk | hell im not sure if ill have the talbet for long lol | 13:51 |
| johnx | lcuk, your once and future dvd writer :D | 13:51 |
| * lcuk is making the most of missus being at work | 13:52 | |
| lcuk | this x41 is a lovely little machine you know :) im gonna do so much with it | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | except for not having a dvd drive :) | 13:53 |
| AStorm | x41t is lovlier | 13:53 |
| johnx | yeah, i was thinking about a non tablet x31 or x41 or similar | 13:53 |
| AStorm | why non-tablet? | 13:53 |
| AStorm | it's a convertible | 13:53 |
| johnx | cheaper, and I don't feel the need for a convertible tablet | 13:53 |
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| AStorm | tablets are fun for drawing | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not a fan of tablet pc's in tablet mode, I use my brother's hp and my wrists hurt after a while | 13:54 |
| AStorm | lacking wrist pad? | 13:54 |
| AStorm | buy one | 13:54 |
| AStorm | also, you can't write properly | 13:55 |
| johnx | AStorm, this is why x86 mer would be cool: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4518860766.html | 13:55 |
| AStorm | mmmh, atom? | 13:55 |
| johnx | oldschool, cruscoe :) | 13:55 |
| johnx | about as much punch as an n800 probably :) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, ive got a dvd now | 13:56 |
| AStorm | ah, crusoe | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, :) | 13:56 |
| AStorm | atom would be nice | 13:56 |
| johnx | still, looks fun. the other reason for x86 mer is on a TV with a wiimote style pointer | 13:56 |
| AStorm | I want a laptop with one, a larger touchscreen too | 13:56 |
| AStorm | of those 120 dpi or so | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | yeah i was writing lastnight and the dpi is really low compared to nit | 13:57 |
| lcuk | the screen on my nokia really is impressive | 13:57 |
| AStorm | it is, yup | 13:57 |
| AStorm | with 225 dpi | 13:57 |
| johnx | quite insane | 13:57 |
| johnx | my desktop's monitor is 85dpi | 13:58 |
| AStorm | pity they can't make larger versions | 13:58 |
| johnx | well, I'm sure they can for the write price | 13:58 |
| johnx | but windows is so stupidly bound to ~96dpi | 13:58 |
| johnx | they'd have trouble selling them | 13:58 |
| lcuk | they can though, or very nearly - but its insanely expensive to produce them | 13:58 |
| lcuk | it will get better with time, anyway, real touchscreens have different problems with fingers, once you go larger than NIT you have problems with registering wrist catching screen and stuff | 13:59 |
| johnx | but there's ways to solve that | 14:00 |
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| johnx | the biggest problem is that they're too thick for my taste when laid flat and too heavy to haul around in my hand | 14:00 |
| lcuk | thats why nokia is perfect | 14:00 |
| lcuk | :) | 14:01 |
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| johnx | hence why I'd probably buy "just a laptop" and not spring for a convertible tablet | 14:01 |
| lcuk | and solutions for accidental multitouch are always non perfect | 14:01 |
| lcuk | because the computer has to second guess your intentions its never perfect - its like the switching between stylus/finger touching on os2007 | 14:01 |
| AStorm | hehe | 14:02 |
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| johnx | that actually worked well for me most of the time... | 14:02 |
| lcuk | "most of the time" | 14:02 |
| AStorm | well, I want a tablet as a supplemental input | 14:02 |
| AStorm | not main | 14:02 |
| lcuk | its like the sideswipe UIs where you change context with a big swipe - sometimes it misregisters | 14:03 |
| AStorm | like, fennec | 14:03 |
| AStorm | which I find horrible | 14:03 |
| lcuk | tablet can and does work perfectly, i want it as a primary input device | 14:03 |
| AStorm | :p | 14:03 |
| AStorm | nah, handwriting etc. | 14:03 |
| lcuk | heh, thats your domain | 14:04 |
| lcuk | i see little apps working well but then sending their data to big screen for management | 14:04 |
| AStorm | mhm | 14:04 |
| lcuk | like the sketching i do - once i produce them on NIT i havent got enough space to do full grouping and tagging and management, so i want the big screen to handle the properly | 14:04 |
| lcuk | obviously i can do it on tablet, but once more space becomes available, larger transitions become possible | 14:05 |
| lcuk | i was sorely tempted yesterday to just replace my desktop monitor with a touchscreen | 14:06 |
| AStorm | yes, trick is, there are almost no good window managers | 14:06 |
| AStorm | and especially nonhe suited to touchscreen | 14:06 |
| lcuk | for which device, tablet? | 14:06 |
| johnx | matchbox :) | 14:06 |
| AStorm | *yes* | 14:06 |
| lcuk | there will be: vcell (liqtile replacement) | 14:06 |
| AStorm | no, matchbox is so-so | 14:06 |
| AStorm | and it can't do windows:P | 14:06 |
| lcuk | will come with automatic scaling and kinetics and touchability by default | 14:07 |
| johnx | I saw a file open dialog *window* just today :P | 14:07 |
| AStorm | mmh, kinetics | 14:07 |
| AStorm | which blocked the whole app? please... | 14:07 |
| AStorm | show me a multiwindow app | 14:07 |
| AStorm | like, pidgin | 14:07 |
| johnx | yeah, you're right about pidgin | 14:08 |
| AStorm | there is no dock for windows...even | 14:08 |
| lcuk | its not so much the windows, its the layout of those windows | 14:08 |
| johnx | I haven't found a good way to handle tiling, but that's really what we need | 14:08 |
| lcuk | liqbase currently has methods for grouping and showing frames as large as possible but without overlapping :) | 14:08 |
| AStorm | johnx, :) | 14:08 |
| AStorm | that, and a sidear | 14:09 |
| AStorm | *sidebar | 14:09 |
| johnx | like the nextstep/wm dock? | 14:09 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:09 |
| johnx | amen | 14:09 |
| AStorm | but clickhiding | 14:09 |
| AStorm | no stupid fennec swiping | 14:09 |
| johnx | maybe click to drop it down from the topbar? | 14:10 |
| AStorm | acceptable, yes | 14:10 |
| lcuk | just have sensible usage for the menu button :) | 14:10 |
| johnx | nextstep had things so *right* 18 years ago...makes me want to smack people for not paying attention | 14:10 |
| AStorm | menu button is on keyboard in n810 | 14:10 |
| AStorm | johnx, and many so wrong | 14:11 |
| lcuk | johnx, theres LOTS of computer design elements which should have been picked up | 14:11 |
| johnx | AStorm, like what? | 14:11 |
| AStorm | ugly | 14:11 |
| johnx | AStorm, did *see* what else was out in 1989? | 14:11 |
| lcuk | its amazing to look through the archives at the parc stuff and the mother of all demos type films | 14:11 |
| johnx | it looked amazing for the time | 14:11 |
| AStorm | macosx is nextstep, almost | 14:11 |
| johnx | yeah, but lots of regressions all over the place | 14:12 |
| johnx | like, the dock | 14:12 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:12 |
| lcuk | i tohught the dock worked on the whole | 14:12 |
| lcuk | thought | 14:12 |
| AStorm | it is okayish | 14:12 |
| johnx | yeah, but the nextstep dock was actually better | 14:12 |
| AStorm | a bit better | 14:13 |
| jaska | osx window decorations are far uglier than next :| | 14:13 |
| AStorm | i want to dock windows | 14:13 |
| johnx | I wonder if "right click minimize to hide all app windows" is a windowmaker feature or a next thing... | 14:13 |
| AStorm | bad feature | 14:13 |
| johnx | oh, I quite like it | 14:14 |
| AStorm | better would be "show the dock" | 14:14 |
| johnx | how is that related? | 14:14 |
| AStorm | what do you use that "hide all" for? :> | 14:14 |
| johnx | to hide my million firefox windows so I can see other stuff | 14:15 |
| johnx | or to hide my gimp windows and get at other stuff | 14:15 |
| lcuk | how do you rightclick on a tablet | 14:15 |
| AStorm | what other stuff? | 14:15 |
| AStorm | lcuk, by holding | 14:15 |
| johnx | terminals, irc, | 14:15 |
| AStorm | meh | 14:15 |
| johnx | mail, IM | 14:15 |
| lcuk | again a halfbreed fix that doesnt work all the time | 14:15 |
| AStorm | grouping is the solution | 14:15 |
| johnx | why ignore groups that already make sense though? | 14:16 |
| johnx | it at least makes sense for all gimp windows to be in their own group by default | 14:16 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:16 |
| AStorm | minimize is a hack though | 14:17 |
| johnx | uhm...no? | 14:17 |
| AStorm | proper switching is better | 14:17 |
| johnx | sometimes I'd like my desktop to be less complicated | 14:18 |
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| AStorm | why do you need to click something to hide a window? | 14:18 |
| AStorm | meh | 14:18 |
| johnx | because my computer can't read my mind | 14:18 |
| johnx | it *is* a problem | 14:18 |
| AStorm | show something else on top | 14:18 |
| johnx | so hide should be "send to bottom" ? | 14:18 |
| AStorm | or maybe have wm autominimize when switching | 14:18 |
| AStorm | more or less | 14:18 |
| AStorm | one pointless click less | 14:19 |
| johnx | I leave things overlapping though, intentionally | 14:19 |
| AStorm | mhm, that is a tiny problem | 14:19 |
| johnx | a tiling wm on my desktop would make me want to kill | 14:19 |
| AStorm | well, ion3 supports overlapping tiles... | 14:19 |
| johnx | and yet I've grown quite fond of compiz | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | at work we have customers ringing up asking for what we call "magic buttons". they expect to perform specific actions which are not logical or context sensitive or expected. we have this more often than the sane requests :) | 14:31 |
| johnx | that's because you and the sane customers already agree on what makes a decent UI | 14:31 |
| johnx | anyways, if you *gave* them that button, they'd never use it except by mistake | 14:32 |
| lcuk | yeah heh, "why did it do this, it was meant to do that" | 14:32 |
| johnx | some people can't rationally anticipate what they want to do | 14:32 |
| johnx | they also don't understand why the computer can't just "guess what I wanted it to do" | 14:33 |
| lcuk | icons are worse because they can misidentify the meaning | 14:33 |
| lcuk | oh yeah, we get very specific requests to change functionality because the one time they needed something and clicked what they thought it was and it wasnt what they expected | 14:34 |
| aquatix | `now make a button that does what i did want' | 14:37 |
| AStorm | yup, that's called M$ Office | 14:38 |
| AStorm | it has tons of these | 14:38 |
| aquatix | ha | 14:38 |
| johnx | any many people just resent learning | 14:38 |
| aquatix | AStorm: well, you kinda have to give them credit by slashing a lot of those in 2007 | 14:38 |
| AStorm | yup | 14:39 |
| aquatix | not that anybody now knows how to do their stuff | 14:39 |
| aquatix | johnx: yep | 14:39 |
| johnx | what a strange condition. I wonder if it's backed by an evolutionary advantage | 14:39 |
| AStorm | they're avoiding information overload | 14:40 |
| AStorm | my recommendation: turn off the tv | 14:40 |
| AStorm | and ads | 14:40 |
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| johnx | more fun to tread the thin line between info overload and what was I saying? | 14:40 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:41 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 14:54 |
| AStorm | ssh of maemo doesn't respect SSH_ASKPASS var | 14:55 |
| AStorm | how do I use it then? | 14:55 |
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| GAN800 | Has anybody looked at the latest SSU update bugs to confirm whether the proposed problem is actually it? | 15:14 |
| AStorm | bugs? | 15:17 |
| AStorm | mine update worked | 15:17 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3938 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3948 | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | anyone else get bad mojo about imagination and apple getting into bed together? | 15:31 |
| netvictim | gan800: seems trivial to test 3948 | 15:31 |
| johnx | 3.6% | 15:31 |
| johnx | sounds like they're just giving them a cash infusion to prop them up | 15:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: they bought a really small stake in Imagination | 15:34 |
| RST38h | Not significant. Besides, in my eyes Imagination is already a bunch of anal retentive lawyer wannabes | 15:35 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, I'm more interested inseeing ImagTech dropped entirely from OMAP4. ;) | 15:35 |
| johnx | to be replaced with some even more closed? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | heh yeah rst, gan? really | 15:35 |
| lcuk | i would prefer to see more generic multipurpose megacore processors | 15:36 |
| RST38h | GAN: Nokia appears to move away from OMAP chips anyway | 15:36 |
| johnx | they'll keep omap3 for years though | 15:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: Check their latest lineup. | 15:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, what is it? | 15:36 |
| johnx | n97 has an omap2, right? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: N85 - no OMAP. 5800 - no OMAP. | 15:36 |
| GAN800 | That new ARM GPU | 15:37 |
| johnx | what is it instead? | 15:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: N97 is unlikely to have OMAP if it is unified design with 5800 | 15:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: N85 is Quallcomm (?) | 15:37 |
| johnx | interesting. that's totally closed to linux, isn't it? | 15:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: For 5800 they just say "ARM11 CPU" and do not specify which one | 15:37 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, I think it's a temporary thing until OMAP3 gets going. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: No, why? It is the same ARM | 15:37 |
| RST38h | GAN: I am not sure at all, for better or for worse | 15:38 |
| RST38h | GAN: they say that in terms of battery life, N85 runs circles around OMAP2 based phones | 15:38 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, but a CPU core is a tiny part of a SoC | 15:38 |
| GAN800 | The OMAP2 is old | 15:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: As for the rest, it all depends on the lawyers:engineers ration at a company that produces the SoC | 15:38 |
| RST38h | s/ration/ratio | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Ah, N96 is apparently no OMAP either | 15:40 |
| AStorm | RST38h, because even 770 had better power saving than them | 15:40 |
| GAN800 | dual ARM9 | 15:40 |
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| RST38h | Check out http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/8659_Graphics_Acceleration_the_Pric.php | 15:41 |
| RST38h | And comments to it too | 15:42 |
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| lardman | scrolling back the capabilities of mere phones? | 15:43 |
| lcuk | *scaling | 15:45 |
| lcuk | hiya simon | 15:45 |
| lardman | hi Gary | 15:45 |
| lcuk | :D i got a decent laptop at last | 15:46 |
| Gary | meh | 15:46 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:46 |
| lcuk | sorry gary | 15:46 |
| Gary | hey random hilighter :p | 15:46 |
| * lcuk gary as well | 15:46 | |
| lcuk | is ^ | 15:46 |
| Gary | lies, you is lcuk | 15:46 |
| Gary | now go get that deed poll | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i have a real name as well as a nickname :$ | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i wouldv registered myself as gary but someone got there first | 15:47 |
| * lcuk glares | 15:48 | |
| Gary | really | 15:48 |
| Gary | aww | 15:48 |
| Gary | shame | 15:48 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:48 |
| lardman | what's the laptop then? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | lardman, x41 tabletpc :) | 15:48 |
| lardman | freebie? | 15:49 |
| lcuk | im gonna have fun over the holidays with clutter | 15:49 |
| lcuk | no, but not expensive either | 15:49 |
| lcuk | this 2d clutter idea is feeling mroe and more compelling, i just wanna see if its practical | 15:49 |
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| lardman | cool | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | just waiting for the windows recovery to prove itself to me that its gonna work and then im puttin linux on it :) | 15:51 |
| * lardman realises the error of putting his second largest screen on the LHS of the main monitor - most text sits on the LHS | 15:51 | |
| lcuk | this laptop sits against the wall already just near where my pinboard goes - im gonna have it showing recent liqbase notes | 15:52 |
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| johnx | so weird, it doesn't feel like it's so close to christmas | 15:54 |
| johnx | doesn't even feel like winter here really | 15:55 |
| lardman | no, pretty warm here too | 15:56 |
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| lardman | does feel like xmas though as there are millions of people shopping, and the internet is going veeerrrrryyy slowly for me too | 15:56 |
| johnx | back in seattle at my parents' house they're getting more snow than they've had in years | 15:56 |
| AStorm | shopmas | 15:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: does it have a touch-screen? | 15:56 |
| AStorm | anyway, a pagan celebration would correctly be today | 15:57 |
| johnx | ah, yes, missing the solstice | 15:57 |
| lcuk | lardman, yes, wacom pen based but thats ideal for testing | 15:57 |
| lardman | AStorm: is it actually the 21st this year? | 15:57 |
| AStorm | ah, you mean astronomical? let me check | 15:58 |
| lardman | I guess you'd have to be astronomical when you#re using Stonhenge to measure days will the pagan feast! :) | 15:58 |
| lardman | s/will/till | 15:58 |
| lardman | lcuk: how does that work? | 15:59 |
| lcuk | like a normal wacom tablet but its behind the screen | 15:59 |
| AStorm | lardman, no | 16:00 |
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| AStorm | according to my tables, a tiny bit later | 16:01 |
| AStorm | about 0.2d later | 16:01 |
| AStorm | :> | 16:01 |
| lardman | rounded down to the closest night of course ;) | 16:02 |
| johnx | I really get more thanks for being snarky than for being helpful. this is teaching me the wrong lesson... | 16:03 |
| AStorm | dec 21 12:04 | 16:04 |
| AStorm | to be exact | 16:04 |
| AStorm | :) | 16:04 |
| lardman | :) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | what about seconds? | 16:04 |
| AStorm | no, sorry | 16:04 |
| AStorm | too imprecise calculation | 16:05 |
| AStorm | the error is 25s | 16:05 |
| lardman | caesium ion transitions please | 16:05 |
| AStorm | no, really, earth is not precise enough | 16:05 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:05 |
| AStorm | and my elliptical approximation is just that | 16:05 |
| derf | The Earth is pretty precise. | 16:05 |
| derf | Unless you want to know how fast it's moving. | 16:06 |
| AStorm | ... | 16:06 |
| AStorm | trick is, the epiplane also moves | 16:06 |
| AStorm | and I don't have data about that | 16:06 |
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| derf | Don't try to pawn off your personal failings on the planet. | 16:07 |
| lardman | hmm, /me senses a pagan sacrifice soon | 16:07 |
| AStorm | too late, should've done it 3h ago | 16:08 |
| lcuk | omg, ibm recovery is alldos based :O | 16:09 |
| AStorm | btw, next year it'll be 21st 17:47 | 16:10 |
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| AStorm | just for fun: US Naval Observatory has all the dates till 2020 | 16:12 |
| AStorm | and hours | 16:12 |
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| AStorm | don't forget to convert universal time to local geodesic time | 16:14 |
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| lardman | pah, bring back GMT | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | yawn | 16:31 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | any news? | 16:31 |
| johnx | I suck at booting linux on the n800 | 16:32 |
| johnx | not really news is it? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i have the imager to do it for me :P | 16:32 |
| johnx | I used it :P | 16:32 |
| johnx | but I'm getting disconnected from telnet | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:33 |
| johnx | and rescue menu won't come up :/ | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | when trying to connect? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | sure you hold down home? | 16:33 |
| johnx | yeah, tried it several times | 16:34 |
| johnx | I'll get the error message it gives me when it won't connect on telnet | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | you use my emergency telnetd or? | 16:35 |
| johnx | yeah | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | .. silly reason is when udev isn't running "just yet", then it wont connect | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | or dev/pts not mounted | 16:36 |
| johnx | hmm | 16:36 |
| johnx | it was a strange error | 16:37 |
| johnx | I'd never seen it before | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | "no more connections"? | 16:37 |
| johnx | that's it | 16:37 |
| johnx | well, that answers that | 16:37 |
| johnx | so it means udev isn't finished yet? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | something like that yeah - try press center a couple of times and it should continue boot process | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | and -then- you can connect | 16:38 |
| johnx | aaah | 16:38 |
| johnx | clever clever | 16:38 |
| johnx | and of course now rescue menu comes up | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:39 |
| johnx | been fighting with this for a while now | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, im fighting with sdk devkit | 16:44 |
| johnx | a much more maddening battle I'm sure | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | "*** GAR GAR GAR! Failed to download download/dpkg-dpkg_1.14.22ubuntu1.tar.gz! GAR GAR GAR! *** | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | wtf, honestly | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | " | 16:58 |
| ccooke | Hmm. Anyone recall where I can get osso-accounts-plugin-haze from? | 17:06 |
| ccooke | cleaning and reinstalling this tablet with fewer repositories, and it seems that package isn't installable | 17:06 |
| AStorm | hmm | 17:07 |
| ccooke | oh, do | 17:07 |
| ccooke | doh | 17:07 |
| AStorm | where do I put the ssh-agent to have it autostart? | 17:07 |
| AStorm | (e.g. some script?) | 17:07 |
| ccooke | (the package is currently called "account-plugin-haze". Silly me) | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: scary, i think i might just have tamed the dragon | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | that was easier than i thought | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | ok, i confirmed windows can be recovered on tabletpc :) time for linux | 17:42 |
| johnx | w00! | 17:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, which distro? | 17:42 |
| lcuk | for my first time, i think ill keep it simple: gentoo? | 17:43 |
| * johnx dies | 17:43 | |
| lcuk | heh, ubuntu -i already confirmed it comes up with liveusb | 17:43 |
| johnx | suppose you'll want us to hold your hand the first time gentoo fails to compile gcc :P | 17:43 |
| lcuk | just got a few things to sort out to get touch working | 17:43 |
| johnx | thinkwiki.org | 17:44 |
| lcuk | nahhh, its liqbase bootstrapping i need help with - its got a compiler built in now :P | 17:44 |
| lcuk | yeah i know ive been raping it all night for info | 17:44 |
| johnx | yeah, that site is the reason to go with a thinkpad for linux | 17:44 |
| lcuk | yeah exactly, everyone ive spoken to said stay away from obscure laptops and get an ibm/lenovo if possible | 17:44 |
| lcuk | hence me jumping on this x41 when i spotted it :) | 17:45 |
| johnx | the more intel stuff in it the better, unless your Stskeeps and your luck is horrible :P | 17:45 |
| lcuk | haha | 17:45 |
| AStorm | lcuk, ubuntu will kill you with all its issues | 17:45 |
| lcuk | but ubuntu is all i know, it will suffice for now and isnt it whats recommended for sb | 17:46 |
| johnx | AStorm, don't make it complicated for him with his first time setting up linux | 17:46 |
| lcuk | its not quite first time | 17:46 |
| AStorm | maemo... | 17:46 |
| AStorm | and he knows how to code | 17:46 |
| lcuk | but it will be my first time properly with sb and actually using it more than an ooh and ahh | 17:46 |
| AStorm | so, gentoo it is | 17:46 |
| johnx | even gentoo guys hate gentoo half the time it seems | 17:46 |
| AStorm | nah | 17:47 |
| johnx | ask the guy putting it on the wii or the guy putting it on his n800 | 17:47 |
| AStorm | those guys left gentoo on their own powertrip | 17:47 |
| lcuk | ive had linux properly now for exactly 1 year now - it was 21st december last year when i got my tablet :) | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N801 | AStorm, he wants to use sbox. installing it in a deb based distro is the easiest way | 17:47 |
| AStorm | meh | 17:47 |
| AStorm | running 2 scripts is just as easy | 17:47 |
| lcuk | what a year its been :) | 17:47 |
| johnx | AStorm, you were seriously going to suggest gentoo? | 17:47 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:47 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 17:47 |
| lcuk | i was only joking | 17:48 |
| qwerty12_N801 | AStorm, what's stopping you? | 17:48 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N801, slow network :> | 17:48 |
| johnx | sticking with debuntu on the tablet though? only a couple hundred megs to download for a minimal system I'm sure | 17:48 |
| AStorm | also, it's not as clean as crossdev cross compiler | 17:48 |
| AStorm | thus, I still want gentoo on tablet | 17:49 |
| AStorm | :> | 17:49 |
| lcuk | i want workbench on tablet | 17:49 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:49 |
| AStorm | uae should work | 17:49 |
| johnx | AStorm, some guy is working on it :) you should help | 17:49 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:49 |
| lcuk | i mean properly | 17:49 |
| AStorm | after I'm done with hwr | 17:49 |
| johnx | gentoo is more of a nightmare every time I use it | 17:50 |
| AStorm | huhwha? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | hwr is a labour of love, astorm, i will buy you many beers at next summit if you improve it :) | 17:50 |
| johnx | shit. doesn't. compile. | 17:50 |
| AStorm | it does here (tm) | 17:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: add more parenthesis! | 17:50 |
| RST38h | parentheses, I guess | 17:50 |
| johnx | AStorm, and that's the same thing I get from gentoo guys. how strange | 17:51 |
| AStorm | maybe I'm favored by pagan gods of knowledge or sth | 17:51 |
| AStorm | ;) | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: Got a favor from The Tentacled One? | 17:52 |
| AStorm | not | 17:52 |
| AStorm | The Deep One only takes favors | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i just got dpkg ubuntu devkit going, scary :P | 17:52 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that is a thing of wonder, truly | 17:53 |
| lcuk | thats not scary, thats applause worthy | 17:53 |
| RST38h | AStorm: He taketh and he giveth to his followers | 17:53 |
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| AStorm | no | 17:53 |
| AStorm | he taketh and keepeth for thineself | 17:53 |
| AStorm | ;) | 17:53 |
| johnx | and make everyone else crazy | 17:53 |
| johnx | or dead | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | has anyone tried any of the *bsds ? | 17:54 |
| RST38h | what he taketh he he keeps | 17:54 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:54 |
| johnx | yeah, other unix systems that make me crazy | 17:54 |
| AStorm | lcuk, horrible | 17:54 |
| RST38h | what He giveth, he hath no use for | 17:54 |
| johnx | I guess that really makes me a heretic | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: bsd is slightly more friendly than linux, -- compared to solaris | 17:54 |
| RST38h | ~burn johnx, the heretic | 17:54 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over johnx, the heretic, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 17:54 | |
| AStorm | in scale of suck, FreeBSD is the least sucky | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | i like freebsd over linux really | 17:54 |
| * RST38h agrees on this | 17:54 | |
| Stskeeps | but some things aren't trivial | 17:54 |
| AStorm | while Solaris is the most | 17:54 |
| AStorm | HPUX is close though | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Dumb like a stump but always works | 17:55 |
| lcuk | im sure theres worse operating systems | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Solaris is not bad | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: gnu userland on top of solaris is not so bad | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | (nexenta) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | is actually usable | 17:55 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, that's not solaris anymore | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | (that's where im sshing from atm) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: true | 17:55 |
| RST38h | You, young ones, are not aquainted with such gems as HPUkes, Irix, and of course SCO Unix | 17:55 |
| johnx | freebsd also suffered from "shit. doesn't. compile." | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i grew up on SINIX | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:55 |
| RST38h | urgh | 17:55 |
| RST38h | But *nothing* can compare with SCO in terms of suckiness | 17:56 |
| johnx | I don't have the time to use a non-binary distro of something | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, sounds like a good thing :) | 17:56 |
| RST38h | it is yes | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/DFG52p38.html | 17:57 |
| johnx | you dragged a newer dpkg into the mix? | 17:58 |
| AStorm | johnx, meh | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yup | 17:58 |
| RST38h | reboot. | 17:58 |
| AStorm | I don't have time to use a sucky distro | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Lots don't have time waiting for shit to compile | 17:58 |
| johnx | waiting for shit to compile is one thing. waiting for shit to fail to compile drove me mad. real fast. | 17:59 |
| johnx | AStorm, and yet, ubuntu hasn't been taking any of my time to maintain lately | 17:59 |
| lcuk | new ubuntu desktop is a bit strange | 18:00 |
| GAN800 | Distro war! Distro war's on! | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | ~burn gentoo | 18:00 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over gentoo, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 18:00 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, feeling a little pyromaniacal tonight? | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, now that you come to mention it... | 18:01 |
| johnx | wonder if I should go outside and grab the fire extinguisher in case of more ~burn johnx moments :P | 18:02 |
| GAN800 | ~nuke qwerty12 | 18:02 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at qwerty12 ... B☢☢M! | 18:02 | |
| GAN800 | Done. | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | ~shoot GAN800 | 18:02 |
| * infobot shoots GAN800 in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! | 18:02 | |
| AStorm | johnx, neither has been gentoo for me | 18:02 |
| lcuk | typos and unicode characters aside.. | 18:02 |
| AStorm | I update it monthly or so | 18:02 |
| * GAN800 sticks it in the oven. | 18:02 | |
| * qwerty12 lines the inside of the oven with petrol | 18:02 | |
| johnx | AStorm, you never get the urge to say emerge liferea or similar just to try it out? | 18:03 |
| AStorm | I did | 18:03 |
| AStorm | now I know what I need and want | 18:03 |
| AStorm | :) | 18:03 |
| johnx | more patience than me :P | 18:03 |
| AStorm | and none of it is default ubuntu | 18:03 |
| AStorm | *in default | 18:03 |
| lcuk | gulp | 18:04 |
| johnx | AStorm, anyways, I don't think we'll be convincing each other any time soon. :) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | if the partition resize fails i will blame each and every one of you evil people | 18:04 |
| johnx | lcuk, never had one fail yet | 18:05 |
| johnx | even with ntfs | 18:05 |
| johnx | just moved the partitions on my sd card earlier today even :) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | actually, do i need to blame myself since im a membero f the general linux community | 18:05 |
| AStorm | I had ntfs fail later | 18:06 |
| johnx | it won't fail. and you can recover if it does. | 18:06 |
| AStorm | but that was partition magic | 18:06 |
| AStorm | ~nuke partition magic | 18:06 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at partition magic ... B☢☢M! | 18:06 | |
| lcuk | i dont actually care that much, ive just spent 2 hours rebuilding system to factory default anyway to confirm to self it will work | 18:06 |
| AStorm | love the unicode :) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | and the typos | 18:06 |
| AStorm | huh? | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | missle | 18:07 |
| AStorm | ah, missile | 18:07 |
| johnx | lcuk, nah, missles are uhm something different...they're uhm scarier | 18:07 |
| lcuk | shorter range | 18:07 |
| johnx | they have more B☢☢M! | 18:08 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:08 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, I dunno how I'd put up with that kind of bullshit to get a freaking laptop working. | 18:08 |
| lcuk | should i let tracy wrap up the nice shiny new dvd burner now ive used it | 18:08 |
| * AStorm feels the urge to extend keymap with that character | 18:08 | |
| lcuk | eh gan? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | it was fully automated | 18:08 |
| AStorm | on chr+b | 18:08 |
| lcuk | i just put disk in | 18:08 |
| lcuk | i wanted to know that whatever i did was safe before i screwed it up :) | 18:09 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, I dunno, I get a new computer and turn it on--done. ;) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | thats what i did | 18:09 |
| lcuk | thats not the problem | 18:09 |
| GAN8001 | How many days have you had this thing? How many of them have been spent screwing around with stupid stuff? | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | i bought it yesterday | 18:09 |
| lcuk | played with windows | 18:09 |
| lcuk | tested usbstick linux | 18:09 |
| lcuk | bought a cd burner this morning, wrote the recovery disks | 18:10 |
| lcuk | tested them | 18:10 |
| lcuk | now im destroying it | 18:10 |
| johnx | GAN800, so when you touch the screen of your new computer, what happens? | 18:10 |
| lcuk | B☢☢M | 18:10 |
| * johnx grabs a new macbook, twists the screen around into tablet mode...oh, oops | 18:11 | |
| b-man | lol | 18:11 |
| lcuk | that lcd cracking sound is awful | 18:11 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, I don't do laptops. | 18:11 |
| lcuk | worse when you leave a pen or something on the keyboard | 18:11 |
| lcuk | and you close the lid | 18:11 |
| lcuk | why wont it close CRACKKKKKKKKKK | 18:11 |
| johnx | GAN800, well, it doesn't really help lcuk at all... | 18:12 |
| lcuk | i nearly bought an asus eee top - i saw one aobut an hour before i got this | 18:12 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, my only point is that I don't think I could deal with all that screwing around just for a laptop. ;) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | (desktop monitor replacement) | 18:12 |
| GAN8001 | "embedded" devices are one thing | 18:12 |
| johnx | GAN8001, personally I don't see how you get the energy to deal with stupid people on mailiing lists and forums :) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | can i buy preconfigured tabletpcs with linux? | 18:12 |
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| johnx | lcuk, from me :) | 18:13 |
| lcuk | heh johnx | 18:13 |
| lcuk | but you are expensive | 18:13 |
| johnx | s'true :P | 18:13 |
| GAN8001 | Different strokes for different folks. | 18:13 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, pybattery is confusing me, is it because it recalculates battery drain that it will not give a low battery warning while in "standby" or is it becaue the whole applet is sleeping? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | :| "an error occurred while writing the changes to the storage devices" | 18:13 |
| GAN8001 | t_s_o, stop killing your battery and plug it in. :P | 18:13 |
| johnx | lcuk, spoke too soon I guess. pop open a terminal and type dmesg | tail | 18:14 |
| lcuk | nahhhh | 18:14 |
| johnx | yah | 18:14 |
| johnx | you wanna find out quick if you hd is dying | 18:14 |
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| t_s_o | i have done so now, but as long as i cant get consistent info about battery duration, im hard pressed to tells if its battery or software thats resulting in low standby time... | 18:15 |
| lcuk | tis done | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | just reformat whole thing | 18:15 |
| johnx | an ounce of prevention now... | 18:15 |
| lcuk | meh | 18:16 |
| * johnx remembers this point in the irclog to wave under lcuk's nose later | 18:17 | |
| lcuk | reiserfs gave a warning: "sda1: warning: sh-2021: reiser_file_super: can not find reiserfs on sda1" do you think thats what killed it? | 18:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | should the latest SSU overwrite bootmenu? | 18:18 |
| johnx | no, you're right. but now you *know* you're right :D | 18:19 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, yes | 18:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | it never did with me... | 18:19 |
| lcuk | it didnt find magic for one of the partition types for some reason | 18:19 |
| lcuk | i think it was the ibm recovery one | 18:19 |
| johnx | All network ports in use! | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: that's funny if it didn't | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, that's the one | 18:20 |
| lcuk | it checked with everything | 18:20 |
| johnx | I started it really late in the boot process | 18:20 |
| johnx | end of rcS | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:20 |
| johnx | err...end of rcS.d/ I mean | 18:20 |
| johnx | S80 | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's something about ptys | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | and makes me wonder if /dev/pts is mounted | 18:23 |
| johnx | yeah, won't run a getty either :/ | 18:23 |
| johnx | init: tty3 main process ended, respawning | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:24 |
| johnx | would they screw around with the kernel? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | _LINUXRC= ? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | what is this, n800 or? | 18:24 |
| johnx | n800 of course | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | and you have linuxrc in the bootmenu item? | 18:24 |
| johnx | yeah | 18:25 |
| johnx | havink a thought :) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:25 |
| johnx | one sec | 18:25 |
| johnx | not a good thought | 18:26 |
| b-man | hello Stskeeps, got your email. :) | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: alright, hope it's ok i refactored it a bit :) | 18:26 |
| lcuk | 21/dec/2007 21:52 Q:\oldoldold\oldold\old\n810_Stuff\Maemo - Mono.url | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:26 |
| AStorm | ok, so, how do I set up ssh-agent on the tablet? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | thats the earliest file i have | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i have files from 99 somewhere.. | 18:27 |
| lcuk | within 5 days i was writing python apps :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, earliest maemo apps - today is my first birthday :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | links ^ | 18:27 |
| lcuk | ive got amiga files somewhere as well | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:28 |
| b-man | Stskeeps, i can see you removed the advanced option. :p | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: nah, it just got too unreadable, and i ran out of time to finish it up :P | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | so just wanted to pass it along | 18:29 |
| lcuk | im gonna have beers with mrs lcuk tonight i think :) | 18:29 |
| b-man | sorry about the crazy syntax, when i was actually writing that i was in a bit of a rush. :p | 18:30 |
| lcuk | and after that im gonna write another journal entry about my year | 18:30 |
| GAN8001 | "FUCK ALL YOU HATERS" | 18:31 |
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| johnx | GAN800, yes, fuck the hat | 18:32 |
| johnx | ers | 18:32 |
| AStorm | ~burn haters | 18:32 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over haters, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 18:32 | |
| * Stskeeps wonders if penguinbait came out with an updated bootmenu deb yet | 18:32 | |
| lcuk | :$ not at all gan, ive seen nothing other than an amazing community of people all willing to help each other and do whatever they can to improve experience :) | 18:32 |
| b-man | infobot: hahahahahahaaa!!! | 18:32 |
| lcuk | apart from that wanker GeneralAntilles, thank god hes not around for now | 18:33 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, he can go die! | 18:33 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:33 |
| lcuk | the ubuntu desktop is horrid | 18:34 |
| johnx | hmm? the standard gnome? or the picture itself? | 18:34 |
| b-man | imagine if this was a video chat....., it wold be so funny! | 18:34 |
| johnx | cause yeah, that picture is awful | 18:34 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, you need this: http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/20/nanovision-mimo-um-710-hands-on-and-impressions/ | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | GAN8001 obviously tempted by the camp people on the screen :P | 18:35 |
| lcuk | gan IS one of the camp people on the screen | 18:35 |
| lcuk | the one with the quiff | 18:35 |
| * GAN8001 mutters things about the UK. | 18:36 | |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: the times i'm coding and looking completely dead in the morning.. no, not a good idea :> | 18:37 |
| AStorm | wry | 18:38 |
| AStorm | again, how do I set up ssh-agent to autostart on maemo?? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, hack something together :P | 18:38 |
| b-man | yah, i think that people might get a little creeped out if this was a video chat.... especially the gestures... | 18:39 |
| AStorm | yeah right | 18:39 |
| johnx | seems like the nokia guys shove everything into init.d | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | (which is bloody insane) | 18:39 |
| johnx | including desktop startup. might as well do the same as them | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's hard to see if they're engineers doing an embedded system, or system architects doing an OS | 18:40 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 18:40 |
| b-man | lol x100 | 18:40 |
| johnx | or some poor shmucks told: this needs to work when I come in on monday | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | but it is true, there's a bit of personality split over maemo | 18:41 |
| johnx | you're right, because the actual power management stuff is incredibly effective, the UI has gotten fairly clean | 18:41 |
| johnx | but some of the design choices are just ... odd | 18:42 |
| b-man | e.g. qwerty claimed that he's pestimistic and i'm optimistic. | 18:42 |
| AStorm | s/choices/chances/ | 18:42 |
| johnx | "flip a coin and if it's heads we make proper session scripts, tails everything goes in init.d" ? | 18:43 |
| b-man | i call heads | 18:43 |
| johnx | tails! | 18:44 |
| b-man | ....... | 18:44 |
| AStorm | ~flip abc | 18:45 |
| * infobot gives abc the .|.. ..|. | 18:45 | |
| AStorm | meh | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 18:45 |
| johnx | ahaha | 18:45 |
| AStorm | not that | 18:45 |
| AStorm | ~toss | 18:45 |
| johnx | ow! stop that! | 18:45 |
| AStorm | meh, no cointoss plugin? | 18:45 |
| AStorm | ~8ball | 18:46 |
| * infobot rolls the eight ball and gets: Most likely | 18:46 | |
| AStorm | yeah | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | ~cointoss | 18:46 |
| infobot | tails | 18:46 |
| AStorm | heh | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | "*** GAR GAR GAR! dpkg-sbox.patch failed checksum test! GAR GAR GAR! *** | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really really not going to be able to take GNOME developers serious anymore | 18:47 |
| b-man | ~ b-man cheats and grabs his two-headed coin... | 18:47 |
| AStorm | ~roll d20 | 18:48 |
| * infobot stuffs d20 in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain | 18:48 | |
| AStorm | uhm, not that | 18:48 |
| AStorm | ~dice 20 | 18:48 |
| johnx | ~roll a blunt | 18:48 |
| * infobot stuffs a blunt in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain | 18:48 | |
| AStorm | nope | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | ~smoke weed | 18:48 |
| johnx | doin' it wrong | 18:48 |
| * infobot rolls up weed, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes | 18:48 | |
| b-man | lol | 18:48 |
| AStorm | noxious? | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | ~boot AStorm for arguing with the infobot | 18:49 |
| * infobot inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across AStorm for arguing with the infobot to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts AStorm for arguing with the infobot out to where he belongs! | 18:49 | |
| b-man | lol x10000 | 18:49 |
| AStorm | fail | 18:49 |
| johnx | my parser died | 18:49 |
| AStorm | ~diceroll 2w0 | 18:50 |
| AStorm | ~diceroll 20 | 18:50 |
| AStorm | ... | 18:50 |
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| AStorm | infobot, you fail | 18:50 |
| johnx | ~cointoss 20 | 18:50 |
| * infobot slaps astorm for calling her a failure | 18:50 | |
| qwerty12 | haha | 18:50 |
| johnx | ~cointoss at pigeons | 18:50 |
| b-man | (random information)- free os downloads over at http://www.a-1radio.com/download/os.htm | 18:51 |
| AStorm | ~bitchslap john_G | 18:51 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of john_G | 18:51 | |
| AStorm | whoops! | 18:51 |
| johnx | who now? | 18:51 |
| AStorm | ~bitchslap johnx | 18:51 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of johnx | 18:51 | |
| johnx | help! my sh*t! | 18:51 |
| b-man | haha | 18:51 |
| johnx | where did it go? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, give johnx his shit back | 18:51 |
| * infobot gives his shit back to johnx | 18:51 | |
| johnx | I don't want bot shit :/ | 18:52 |
| johnx | ~stab AStorm in the face | 18:52 |
| * infobot runs at AStorm in the face with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 18:52 | |
| johnx | ~fail | 18:52 |
| infobot | somebody said fail was what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. | 18:52 |
| b-man | lol x111111111111111 | 18:52 |
| GAN8001 | ~d20 | 18:52 |
| infobot | 2 | 18:52 |
| GAN8001 | ~2d20 | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, want a zut? | 18:53 |
| AStorm | infobot, you suck | 18:53 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 18:53 |
| AStorm | :> | 18:53 |
| GAN8001 | ~botsnack | 18:53 |
| infobot | GAN8001: thanks | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | .. and this kind of stuff is why people end up horridly drunk at maemo summits :P | 18:53 |
| johnx | AStorm, infobot get a room | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | ~hump AStorm | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | ~hump | 18:53 |
| * infobot humps the channel | 18:53 | |
| qwerty12 | damn | 18:54 |
| johnx | ...well that's not awkward | 18:54 |
| b-man | wrong.... | 18:54 |
| b-man | sick..... | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | ~shag | 18:54 |
| * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) | 18:54 | |
| b-man | <gaging> | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. no surprises | 18:54 |
| GAN8001 | One messed up bot. | 18:54 |
| * GAN8001 had a dream that he was at a Maemo Summit last night. | 18:54 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: .. funny thing, i did friday | 18:55 |
| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, too much Maemo. :P | 18:55 |
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| b-man | like whs | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | with plenty of danish xmas food. | 18:55 |
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| b-man | that was a typing error.. :P | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, 18700 views on nitdroid | 18:56 |
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| GAN8001 | Must be engadget. | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | Personally, I can't fathom it. | 18:57 |
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| b-man | <checking engadget> | 18:57 |
| AStorm | endanger? | 18:58 |
| GAN8001 | Probably a half-dozen pages back | 18:58 |
| AStorm | the slashdot of embedded world? | 18:58 |
| johnx | the snarky gadget blog with better editors and worse commenters | 18:58 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 18:59 |
| johnx | very strange that | 18:59 |
| GAN8001 | zero-sum game. ;) | 18:59 |
| johnx | now everyone gets X points to allocate | 18:59 |
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| GAN8001 | Engadget specced editors, Slashdot specced commenters | 19:00 |
| lcuk | ooooooooooooh i has a touchable ubuntu desktop | 19:00 |
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| johnx | lcuk, awesome! that was fast | 19:00 |
| johnx | now fix that background image | 19:01 |
| lcuk | yeah it was already booting with usbkey and stuff | 19:01 |
| lcuk | i have done :) | 19:01 |
| lcuk | and got rid of the gnomisms for minimise and stuff | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | it feels as fast as windows box now ;) | 19:01 |
| johnx | ow | 19:01 |
| johnx | you must have broken it... | 19:01 |
| lcuk | hey! my windows box is lean and mean | 19:01 |
| lcuk | linux has always felt slow on same hardware | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | The only thing I miss from windows is a proper archiver | 19:02 |
| lcuk | ahhh you install winrar then :P | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | yep :) | 19:02 |
| AStorm | 7zip | 19:02 |
| AStorm | cheaper | 19:02 |
| lcuk | my missus always rarrrrs when shes extracting files | 19:02 |
| johnx | tar.bz2 :P | 19:03 |
| lcuk | and she sings "burn baby burn" when making a cd | 19:03 |
| AStorm | yeah | 19:03 |
| johnx | rar gives annoying options to dumb people. I know, I'll compress this avi and split it into 41 chunks so you can't watch any of it until you have it all! | 19:03 |
| AStorm | I prefer "burn motherf.cker, burn" | 19:03 |
| lcuk | ok, ill now see whether i can build liqbase for it - i kinda lost the way towards release time and stopped worrying about x86 compatability | 19:03 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:04 |
| johnx | compression ratio on an avi in .rar format 1:1 | 19:04 |
| lcuk | johnx :O you cant watch an avi anyway without the essential index which sits at the end | 19:04 |
| lcuk | you are a heretic if you use a none standard app to avoid this | 19:04 |
| johnx | mplayer -idx borken.avi | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:04 |
| lcuk | but, but, but | 19:05 |
| lcuk | how will you know how long you have to go to the end? | 19:05 |
| lcuk | you might be watching forever | 19:05 |
| johnx | I will have to live with that mystery | 19:05 |
| lcuk | much better to wait for weeks until that last 0.0001% comes in | 19:05 |
| lcuk | the worst part about that is that fact, you risk it and actually find you missed the last scene | 19:06 |
| lcuk | is there a sensible simple inking app for linux? | 19:06 |
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| lcuk | it feels wrong to load up gimp just to scribble | 19:07 |
| johnx | ooo, soo many pen options to play with though | 19:07 |
| StsN800 | lcuk, xournal? | 19:08 |
| lcuk | yeah but no easy undo or save | 19:08 |
| johnx | anyways, doing a new image for mer, this time *without* minbase. and off to bed | 19:08 |
| * lcuk kicks menus | 19:08 | |
| lcuk | yeah good idea sts | 19:08 |
| * lcuk hates fact its so difficult to get to a blank page in most apps | 19:09 | |
| AStorm | lcuk, it has easy undo | 19:10 |
| lcuk | undo is not what i want | 19:10 |
| AStorm | hm? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | undo is one action | 19:10 |
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| AStorm | multiple | 19:10 |
| lcuk | when ive filled screen i want a new piece of paper | 19:10 |
| lcuk | just like i did when i was a kid | 19:10 |
| AStorm | there's clean | 19:10 |
| lcuk | next page | 19:10 |
| AStorm | and next page | 19:10 |
| AStorm | in xournal | 19:11 |
| lcuk | yeah ill check | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | so how long has xournal been available for then | 19:13 |
| AStorm | long | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | just don't use the one in extras-devel | 19:14 |
| lcuk | wtf | 19:14 |
| AStorm | yup, and the older one is... slow | 19:14 |
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| AStorm | esp. with many pages | 19:14 |
| lcuk | with window normalized its fine, but when maximized its corrupted and doesnt refresh properly | 19:14 |
| johnx | well, the sf.net archive says .2 was released in january 2006 | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | but it works nicely with the greater screen estate | 19:15 |
| lcuk | cool though (even with graphics corruptions) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | ill get on with real work now :) its gonna be good to have code and designer window open at same time | 19:17 |
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| GAN8001 | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3593004513.html | 19:24 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: the "stylus stays pressed" problem is back | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | alright, good to know | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | pass on to johnx | 19:29 |
| Meizirkki | k | 19:29 |
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| johnx | blah! | 19:30 |
| johnx | I'll fix it tomorrow | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i thought you went to bed :P | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | note to self: n810 stylus does not work with new laptop | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | heh heh | 19:36 |
| gomiam | lcuk: use finger as always | 19:37 |
| gomiam | (unless you need it for something else :)) | 19:37 |
| lcuk | gomiam, its a wacom screen on the laptop | 19:37 |
| * lcuk isnt made of money yet | 19:37 | |
| gomiam | Wacom? Even more reason to use finger :-P | 19:37 |
| lcuk | pen only | 19:38 |
| gomiam | oh | 19:38 |
| lcuk | which is a good tihng really, the screen is so big i rest on it with my wrist | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so it's not real touch | 19:43 |
| t_s_o | iirc, the recent wacom screens will go to pen only mode when it detects the pen, and can be configured to go back to finger mode with a button press or a timeout... | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i use my tablet with stylus 99.9999% of the time anyway :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it depends on when i do it on the day | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | in the morning my motorics are absolutely shot | 19:46 |
| lcuk | and it wasnt worth spending another 400-600 quid | 19:46 |
| lcuk | if i get the buzz later in the year ill pick up one then, but this will do for my xmas playtesting :) | 19:47 |
| GAN800 | I don't think my stylus has been out in a week. | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | call a doctor | 19:52 |
| AStorm | mwhahaha | 19:52 |
| lcuk | i dont often get my 810 stylus out though, my nokia sits in its crate and its hard to get, i keep a generic lying around | 19:53 |
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| AStorm | hehe | 19:53 |
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| gomiam | I'm a bit pissed off that Nokia offers no more styluses for N800 | 19:54 |
| AStorm | losing yours far too often? | 19:54 |
| AStorm | anyway, make a mold | 19:54 |
| gomiam | AStorm: I lost one, so I only have one now. | 19:54 |
| gomiam | and it seems N810's styluses are thinner. | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | hiya pb | 19:55 |
| lcuk | gomiam, yeah i agree entirely, i even had trouble when i thought i'd lost my 810 one | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | he | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | hey | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | hey, I am looking for some help, I am attempting to compile some software and its complaining about an Xlib missing "cannot find -lXt" What do I need to install? | 19:56 |
| gomiam | lcuk: what's worse. They already dropped the standard charger and headphones. So I don't really know which ones to buy "just in case" | 19:57 |
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| GAN800 | Er. AC-4U | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | The one they use on every other Nokia phone. | 19:57 |
| gomiam | oh, I'll be afk for a while. I have to do some carrying around of microwave ovens (no custom kitchen deliverieeees) | 19:57 |
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| GAN800 | That you can get from Amazon for $1.50 | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | gomiam, gan is right, the same one for my 810 works in 800 | 19:58 |
| GAN800 | and every other Nokia phone. :P | 19:58 |
| penguinbait | Xt - X Toolkit library (is there a maemo package?) | 19:59 |
| GAN800 | There must be tens of millions of the things on the planet. | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | laptops keep your fingers warm whilst you type, how novel | 20:46 |
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| t_s_o | heh, using keyboards as heat sinks are useful that way... | 20:48 |
| t_s_o | still, i would love to see a laptop that could do keyboard shaped waffles ;) | 20:48 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | hmm, maybe something for thinkgeek? or brando? | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | hmm, can one make a waffle iron that works on usb? | 20:49 |
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| oli | yeh, can somebody paste fragment of his bootmenu.conf (booting from external mmc) | 20:50 |
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| oli | i've unpacked debian on my card and flashed initfs with menu, but I don't know how to setup the .conf | 20:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | what .conf? | 20:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | bootmenu.conf? | 20:52 |
| oli | yep | 20:53 |
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| oli | i've made a ext3 partition on a card in external slot, and put debian there. | 20:53 |
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| Meiz_n810 | deblet or the debian tar from itT wiki? | 20:55 |
| oli | debian from wiki | 20:56 |
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| Meiz_n810 | it's a bit outdated... | 20:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | i suggest to try deblet | 20:56 |
| oli | oh, I can try it, but i've installed that debian and I can't run it ;) | 20:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | it will automatically install bootmenu too... | 20:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | oli: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/ | 20:57 |
| lcuk | its a lot easier using synaptic than trying to install packages by hand :$ | 20:58 |
| oli | it installed menu, but all options make an error and lead to boot from flash | 20:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, heh, i'm so used to using apt-get from the tablet; I forget that synaptic exists :p | 20:59 |
| lcuk | its just installed about 100 packages, i wouldv gotten lost trying | 21:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | synaptic blows in jaunty | 21:00 |
| lcuk | which is jaunty? | 21:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | the search database crashed it | 21:00 |
| lcuk | 8.10 | 21:00 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | 9.04 | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | ahhh so you are a time traveller :) | 21:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | ??? | 21:01 |
| Vulcanis | Jaunty is ubuntu, I think. | 21:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's the only offical arm-port of ubuntu that exists | 21:01 |
| lcuk | well isnt 9.04 next year | 21:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 21:01 |
| dystopia | Jaunty is Ubuntu/Testing scheduled for 2009.04 | 21:01 |
| lcuk | hence my comment | 21:02 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Mer is based on ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) | 21:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | or maemo | 21:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | whatever | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | lol | 21:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | both :P | 21:02 |
| lcuk | i think clutter will work | 21:05 |
| lcuk | have we got any examples of clutter use anywhere | 21:06 |
| dystopia | and Linux, and.. | 21:06 |
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| Meiz_n810 | lol | 21:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | mtpaint is great app | 21:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | it runs well on tablets :P | 21:08 |
| lcuk | switch to performance mode and see if it helps even more | 21:08 |
| dystopia | someone wanted to use the nit for graphics designing lol | 21:09 |
| lcuk | dystopia, i do :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | and im going to | 21:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: where to get your xchat for Mer? | 21:12 |
| dystopia | =]] | 21:12 |
| Mousey | whats mer? | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | dystopia, http://liqbase.net/ and http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ :) | 21:13 |
| Mousey | mer == liqbase? | 21:13 |
| lcuk | no | 21:13 |
| dystopia | i know i love it:D | 21:13 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 21:14 |
| lcuk | sorry mousey, was talkin over you :P | 21:14 |
| Mousey | happens all the time ^_^ | 21:14 |
| dystopia | merde is a french word, mer is a danish word, mare is a latin word | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/xchat_2.8.4-mer0q12_armel.deb | 21:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | thanks | 21:14 |
| Mousey | but whats mer?! | 21:15 |
| * Mousey cries ;_; | 21:15 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | ~mer | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~mer | 21:15 |
| infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 21:15 |
| Mousey | oooh.. that was way too easy | 21:15 |
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| Mousey | Maembunto. that's funny | 21:16 |
| Mousey | maembuntu, even | 21:17 |
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| Jaffa | re | 21:22 |
| lcuk | hiya jaffa | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | im starting to get a bit concerned about my tech usage, ive got 3 computers all watching me | 21:22 |
| Vulcanis | [14:16:59] <Mousey> maembuntu, even -- Ubaemo. | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: plus the ones at GCHQ... | 21:23 |
| Mousey | Ubaemo! | 21:23 |
| Mousey | i likes | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | jaffa ive never had so many before :$ | 21:25 |
| lcuk | and clutter looks kinda cool | 21:26 |
| Vulcanis | Clutter? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | opengl interface layer for the next gen ui | 21:26 |
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| jakemaheu | hello | 21:27 |
| * lcuk is looking for another reason though | 21:27 | |
| * Jaffa hasn't started playing with Clutter yet. Interested to see what the Clutter/Gtk boundary'll be like. | 21:27 | |
| lcuk | from the 3 examples its clean | 21:28 |
| lcuk | i havent installed the toys or looked further yet | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | from the looks of things its similar in basis to what my tiles/cells are, and i might be able to do some wiggling to fit into it nicely | 21:29 |
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| jakemaheu | hey lcuk? | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 21:31 |
| jakemaheu | for the new liqbase, are you going to be doing public alpha/betas? | 21:32 |
| lcuk | i did last time | 21:32 |
| jakemaheu | I think that many people would willingly test it. | 21:32 |
| jakemaheu | cool | 21:32 |
| lcuk | there will, but it has to work as expected first :) | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liqbase next generation :) | 21:33 |
| jakemaheu | are you going to use the same name? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | once its in a shape for me to manage and rearrange it without breaking compatability every 5 minutes it will start :) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | mmm jakemaheu | 21:33 |
| jakemaheu | if you put it in extras-devel, you should use liqbase-ng | 21:33 |
| jakemaheu | ty qwerty | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | nahhh, liqbase is done, i've got my eye on a name but we shall see | 21:34 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets ready to sabotage the preinst | 21:35 | |
| lcuk | hahahaha | 21:35 |
| jakemaheu | insteresting | 21:35 |
| lcuk | fuck you qwerty | 21:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 21:35 |
| jakemaheu | s/insteresting/interesting | 21:35 |
| jakemaheu | irk-- we need sed back | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jakemaheu, finish it off with a '/' | 21:36 |
| jakemaheu | s/insteresting/interesting/ | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it only works on last sentence typed | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | northerners rule | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/rule/suck/ | 21:37 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: northerners suck | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | s/nice/fail/ | 21:37 |
| infobot | jakemaheu meant: fail | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | yay! | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | well, i learned something today | 21:38 |
| jakemaheu | you guys know how to use chmod, right? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | not a clue | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm dodgy wrt to the octals | 21:39 |
| * lcuk is not a technical user | 21:39 | |
| jakemaheu | well, it changes permissions on files | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | i was changing them for a large amount of files | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | in a directory-- /mnt | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | or so i thought | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | i accidentally typed cd .. | 21:40 |
| jakemaheu | and then ran chmod +777 */*/*/* | 21:40 |
| jakemaheu | it gave everyone on my system full modification, executable, and creation rights to those files. | 21:40 |
| lcuk | that sounds bad, i'd call qwerty if i ever did something like that (which i wouldnt cos im not mental) | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | at least you haven't used -R :p | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | then ubuntu got ticked at me because my sudo was changeable | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | qwerty: what does -R do? | 21:41 |
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| jakemaheu | recursive? | 21:41 |
| Mousey | recurses | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | thought so | 21:41 |
| lcuk | -[R]eally bad | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 21:41 |
| jaska | emphasis on curses | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep but i think /*/*/* has probably done the same to an extent :/ | 21:42 |
| Mousey | find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; | 21:42 |
| jakemaheu | but it wouldn't let me sudo until i fixed it | 21:42 |
| Mousey | find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; | 21:42 |
| jakemaheu | which, ironically, would normally require sudo | 21:43 |
| Mousey | touche' | 21:43 |
| lcuk | unless you ssh in as root | 21:43 |
| jakemaheu | but it didn't, because 777 gives everybody, even random processes, access to it | 21:43 |
| Mousey | u can su - | 21:43 |
| * lcuk still does that with tablet to make life easier :$ | 21:43 | |
| Mousey | unless it's ubuntu or something | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jakemaheu, i messed up sudoers on the tablet once (bad me for not using visudo), took me a while :/ | 21:43 |
| jakemaheu | it was ubuntu | 21:43 |
| Mousey | the fail | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | speaking of the tablets | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | who here uses regular xterm in diablo | 21:44 |
| lcuk | the drugs don't work, they just make it worse | 21:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, you have to unlock root account first before su works :/ | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in ubuntu | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | --enable-rd-mode | 21:44 |
| Mousey | qwerty12_N800, i know, which is why i refer to it as fail | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | oh, yeah | 21:44 |
| Vulcanis | what else is there for diablo other than xterm? | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | bash | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, ah :) | 21:44 |
| Mousey | qwerty12_N800, since nobody every does enable su - | 21:44 |
| jakemaheu | anyways | 21:45 |
| jakemaheu | have you used the fullscreen keyboard on it? | 21:45 |
| Vulcanis | its pretty bad. | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Vulcanis, what problem do you have with it? | 21:45 |
| jakemaheu | well, opening the keyboard, typing, and then closing and reopening it makes the text disappear | 21:46 |
| jakemaheu | i.e. you can't edit already entered text | 21:46 |
| Vulcanis | qwerty12_N800: the fullscreen keyboard was what I was refering to | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Vulcanis, ah | 21:46 |
| jakemaheu | does anyone notice that bug? | 21:46 |
| jakemaheu | anyone? | 21:48 |
| Vulcanis | give me a bit, I'll find my tablet and try | 21:48 |
| jakemaheu | alright | 21:48 |
| jakemaheu | here's how to reproduce it (in diablo) | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's always happened to me but as i use the stylus keyboard anyway.. | 21:48 |
| jakemaheu | go to control panel | 21:49 |
| jakemaheu | text input settings | 21:49 |
| jakemaheu | set "launch finger keyboard" to "with finger and stylus" | 21:49 |
| jakemaheu | and "launch finger keyboard with [-]", check it | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | then open xterm | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | the keyboard will come up automatically | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | enter some random text, a few letters will do | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | then, without entering, close the keyboard and reopen it | 21:51 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 21:51 |
| jakemaheu | the text is uneditable for people without styli | 21:51 |
| jakemaheu | drives me nucking futs | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/? | 21:52 |
| jakemaheu | nope | 21:52 |
| jakemaheu | at my grandma's house | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 21:53 |
| jakemaheu | isn't that bug annoying, though? | 21:54 |
| jakemaheu | *hint hint* | 21:54 |
| jakemaheu | *cough* file a bug report *cough* | 21:54 |
| lcuk | yeah, go on then | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what's stopping you? :p | 21:55 |
| lcuk | file one :) | 21:55 |
| jakemaheu | *shrugs* i never learned how | 21:55 |
| jakemaheu | i'll try though | 21:55 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ive got the pyclock thingy up on my laptop | 21:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, heehee, nice :D | 21:56 |
| lcuk | just thinking about simplicity :) | 21:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'm liking the "non-party" look :) | 21:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 <3's quake 1 on the tablet with cheatmode | 21:58 | |
| lcuk | ummm i cant close it on the laptop | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aii, i'm not the coder - merely the packager | 21:58 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 21:59 |
| AStorm | any idea how to make ssh use ssh-askpass util? | 21:59 |
| AStorm | or $SSH_ASKPASS | 21:59 |
| lcuk | not sure astorm, sorry | 21:59 |
| AStorm | hm. | 21:59 |
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| AStorm | even running agent in bg doesn't help | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | AStorm, isnt that technically upto the client? | 22:01 |
| AStorm | ssh command here | 22:01 |
| AStorm | and it should use ssh-agent | 22:01 |
| AStorm | which should use askpass | 22:01 |
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| AStorm | I did source the env vars | 22:03 |
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| sp3000 | GAN800, don't forget to use the reassign to default radio when moving bugs to another component | 22:05 |
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| t_s_o | bah, finally filed a modest bug report that i should have filed ages ago, but that i thought would be found and fixed while investigating a related looking bug (thats still marked as unconfirmed iirc)... | 22:08 |
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| GAN800 | sp3000, it says something about a group when I'm moving. I assumed that was the right thing, but apparently not. :/ | 22:08 |
| GAN800 | sp3000, sorry :P | 22:08 |
| sp3000 | mmm busybox fail | 22:09 |
| AStorm | wth is the ssh-agent *not* using the askpass? | 22:10 |
| AStorm | it should by default | 22:10 |
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| GAN800 | t_s_o, go ask andre for canconfirm. :P | 22:10 |
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| t_s_o | ? | 22:11 |
| AStorm | meh | 22:11 |
| AStorm | it's really impossible to have xinetd use ssh-agent or sth | 22:12 |
| andre__ | hmm? | 22:12 |
| andre__ | tomorrow. all tomorrow :) | 22:12 |
| GAN800 | No, now! :P | 22:13 |
| AStorm | I need the stupid ssh to ask me for the key | 22:14 |
| AStorm | graphically | 22:14 |
| AStorm | wth doesn't it work? | 22:14 |
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| aquatix | graphically? | 22:18 |
| AStorm | yes | 22:18 |
| AStorm | as in a dialog window | 22:18 |
| aquatix | not on the cli or something? | 22:18 |
| AStorm | how? | 22:18 |
| aquatix | ah | 22:18 |
| aquatix | what are you trying to do exactly? | 22:18 |
| AStorm | there's no cli on xinetd | 22:19 |
| AStorm | and no when ssh-agent is asked | 22:19 |
| aquatix | ah right | 22:19 |
| aquatix | sorry, missed that part :/ | 22:19 |
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| AStorm | oh, I WON! :) | 22:25 |
| AStorm | it did start hildon-ssh-askpass | 22:25 |
| AStorm | :) | 22:25 |
| AStorm | ssh automatic tunnel works :) | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, you're probably the only person using that diablo rebuild :p | 22:26 |
| AStorm | now, I need a way to autostart ssh-agent with X session | 22:26 |
| achadwick | I can build-depend on perl (>= 5) for Diablo builds, amirite? Looks like the SDK contains it, anyway. | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | achadwick, for programs that run on the the device? | 22:27 |
| AStorm | so, how do I start ssh-agent with X session/user login on maemo? | 22:27 |
| t_s_o | im surprised people still think the display on the touch and phone is heat sensitive... | 22:27 |
| AStorm | haha | 22:27 |
| achadwick | No, just during the build. Which I assume happens in scratchbox from what I'm reading. | 22:27 |
| AStorm | it is | 22:27 |
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| AStorm | if you heat it too much, it will be damaged | 22:28 |
| t_s_o | and melt the rest of the device ;) | 22:28 |
| AStorm | nah | 22:28 |
| AStorm | not *that* much heat | 22:28 |
| t_s_o | funny enough, wikipedia has it listed as capacitive | 22:30 |
| AStorm | what? | 22:30 |
| AStorm | it's resistive | 22:30 |
| AStorm | correct it | 22:31 |
| AStorm | you can't use capacitive with a 100% plastic stylus | 22:31 |
| Vulcanis | what are we talking about? | 22:32 |
| AStorm | touchscreen | 22:32 |
| Vulcanis | for which device | 22:32 |
| AStorm | nit | 22:32 |
| Vulcanis | Ah. | 22:32 |
| t_s_o | nope, iphone :P | 22:33 |
| Vulcanis | iphone one doesn't work with a plastic stylus | 22:33 |
| Vulcanis | and I'm prety sure its capacitive | 22:33 |
| AStorm | iPawn's is capacitive | 22:33 |
| AStorm | yup | 22:33 |
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| AStorm | ok, again | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i wonder if a static discharge would fry it | 22:33 |
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| AStorm | unlikely | 22:33 |
| * lcuk slides around on his shoes when next in offices | 22:34 | |
| t_s_o | feel free to buy one and try, lcuk | 22:34 |
| AStorm | opamps will limit it | 22:34 |
| lcuk | would it register it as a touch thou | 22:34 |
| AStorm | you'd need a hell of a static charge | 22:34 |
| AStorm | it would | 22:34 |
| t_s_o | time to build a portable van der graph then ;) | 22:35 |
| t_s_o | or whatever the name is | 22:35 |
| * lcuk slides around shopping malls and zaps the kids | 22:35 | |
| AStorm | no, even more | 22:35 |
| t_s_o | to bad electro do not exist... | 22:35 |
| AStorm | lcuk, do you know how to autostart app as "user" and have the env in X on maemo? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i dont know how to start any app automatically let alone in a specific env | 22:37 |
| * lcuk is a simple user | 22:37 | |
| AStorm | :/ | 22:37 |
| AStorm | drat | 22:37 |
| AStorm | ~curse broken init system of maemo | 22:37 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, broken init system of maemo ! | 22:37 |
| AStorm | no, more bugs?nooo! | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cant you 'su - user -c 'cmd'? | 22:38 |
| t_s_o | the bugs will rules the earth | 22:38 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800, haha, on login | 22:38 |
| AStorm | not by hand | 22:38 |
| AStorm | also, w/o password | 22:38 |
| AStorm | and env must be available to X session | 22:39 |
| jakemaheu | speaking of bugs, i submitted a new one | 22:39 |
| AStorm | and I don't want to mod main scripts | 22:39 |
| AStorm | as that will be broken by next SSU | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | autohome-applet may work for you : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169203 | 22:40 |
| AStorm | hmm | 22:40 |
| jakemaheu | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3950 | 22:40 |
| jakemaheu | vote for it! | 22:40 |
| jakemaheu | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3950 | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oops, wrong thread | 22:40 |
| jakemaheu | please and thank you | 22:40 |
| jakemaheu | ~curse diablo's fullscreen keyboard | 22:41 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, diablo's fullscreen keyboard ! | 22:41 |
| AStorm | jakemaheu, huh? it worked before? | 22:41 |
| jakemaheu | erm, not in chinook or diablo (i didn't use 2007) | 22:43 |
| t_s_o | dont recall it ever working... | 22:43 |
| AStorm | so? | 22:43 |
| AStorm | it's hard to implement | 22:43 |
| AStorm | needs 2-way communication | 22:43 |
| jakemaheu | but nokia included xterm in diablo, so it's their responsibility | 22:43 |
| AStorm | which hildon-i-m doesn't have | 22:43 |
| jakemaheu | correct? | 22:43 |
| AStorm | impossibility | 22:43 |
| AStorm | but it's an Enhancement prio | 22:44 |
| AStorm | not Medium | 22:44 |
| AStorm | a lot of work for a tiny feature | 22:44 |
| AStorm | although, hildon-i-m needs a rework anyway | 22:44 |
| jakemaheu | sorry | 22:44 |
| jakemaheu | my first bug report | 22:45 |
| AStorm | I'd prefer xvkb-like input method anyway | 22:45 |
| AStorm | hildon-i-m ties in far too much to toolkit | 22:46 |
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| jakemaheu | is there anything i can do? | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Write a better im(framework)? | 22:47 |
| jakemaheu | hur hur hur yeah because i can program | 22:47 |
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| timelE61i | Yeah well, sponsor a programmer :) help him buy pizza for his family | 22:48 |
| jakemaheu | what family? | 22:48 |
| jakemaheu | hehe | 22:48 |
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| jakemaheu | anyways, it'll prolly get closed (READ: Fixed in Fremantle) | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 22:52 |
| jakemaheu | wut | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | call me a traditionalist but i like seeing my screen interestxterm when typing :/ | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/interestxterm /in xterm / | 22:53 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: call me a traditionalist but i like seeing my screen in xterm when typing :/ | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bloody prediction | 22:53 |
| jakemaheu | meh | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | ~curse scratchbox | 22:54 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, scratchbox ! | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: useful information sometime when you do a dpkg replacement in sb.. it hardwires it to a certain dpkg in the devkit apt came from | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | unless you do -o Dir::Bin::dpkg=/scratchbox/devkits/mer/bin/dpkg | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, nice | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | and gzip is bloody slow emulated.. | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | but i just made a dist-upgrade go without hassle | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice, i was always forcing the deb from the apt cache with dpkg when it failed | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | now, how the hell to make this go into a deb.. | 22:58 |
| * RST38h wonders what evil deed he should commit tonight | 22:58 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hustling | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i've made a sb1 devkit. i think the apocalypse is coming. | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, dpkg-deb :p | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. that has crossed my mind | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the quick & dirty way :) | 22:59 |
| jakemaheu | kinky | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's always fun when dpkg-buildpackage just runs dpkg-deb and you wonder why the fuck did i go through all this | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | you realize it though when you get things going | 23:01 |
| jakemaheu | how do you view all installed packages in terminal? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -l | 23:02 |
| jakemaheu | thanks | 23:03 |
| jakemaheu | how do you output that result to a text file? | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dpkg -l > 1235.txt | 23:06 |
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| jakemaheu | i love you people | 23:06 |
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| jakemaheu | this is actually for ubuntu-- i f***ed up my firefox install | 23:08 |
| lcuk | how do i build for 2 systems at the same time | 23:09 |
| jakemaheu | open two terminals | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i want to edit a source file and have it saved, built and ran on 2 different physical devices | 23:10 |
| jakemaheu | don't do that, actually, it might cause your processor to have a resonance cascade failure | 23:10 |
| lcuk | with different cpu archs | 23:10 |
| jakemaheu | why not do it separately? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | cos i want it automatically on both | 23:10 |
| lcuk | 1 same set of instructions no matter where i am | 23:11 |
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| jakemaheu | now that's true portability | 23:11 |
| jakemaheu | will it run already if compiled separately? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | yes jake, currently i build liqbase wherever and whenever i want | 23:12 |
| lcuk | its simply built on the tablet | 23:12 |
| lcuk | there is an x86 build flag | 23:12 |
| lcuk | or rather, a maemo one | 23:12 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:12 |
| jakemaheu | nice! | 23:12 |
| AStorm | how can I grab a pid of bg process? | 23:12 |
| AStorm | no, not hacks with ps | 23:12 |
| jakemaheu | what is it written in? vb, right? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | parse /dev wherever folder dont you | 23:13 |
| AStorm | using this broken piece of shell we have | 23:13 |
| AStorm | kill %1 (say) does give -<pid> | 23:13 |
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| AStorm | which is wrong | 23:13 |
| lcuk | no, ive done core dev work in vb on windows side but thats not included here, but certainly an eyebrow raising possibility if i choose a compatible file format... | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: well the good thing is we now have a sane sdk, the bad thing is i've officially lost my sanity.. | 23:13 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, it would be wicked if i could simply run the vb code ive got windows side on maemo | 23:14 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: i'd like to try liqbase on an xp touchscreen laptop | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe nice :), can't wait to install | 23:14 |
| AStorm | $! doesn't work in this sorry excuse for a shell | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, `pidof whatever`? | 23:14 |
| AStorm | it hangs instead | 23:14 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800, try that with ssh | 23:14 |
| AStorm | it'd kill all the sessions | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, no idea how it works on ssh | 23:15 |
| AStorm | I want it to kill the one started in the script | 23:15 |
| lcuk | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VB98\TabNet\oldoldold\oldold\old\TabDraw\TabDraw.exe | 23:15 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk, you should build it in python | 23:15 |
| jakemaheu | uber portability | 23:15 |
| AStorm | next level will be uberold? | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VB98\TabNet\oldoldold\oldold\old\liqbase.py | 23:16 |
| jakemaheu | nice | 23:16 |
| jakemaheu | you should, like, compile it for windows x86 and give eet to me | 23:17 |
| achadwick | Anyone work with garage's upload system? Does it feature an autobuilder, and can it work with .orig.tar.gz + diff.gz + dsc uploads as well as native Debian-style? | 23:17 |
| jakemaheu | s/eet/it | 23:17 |
| lcuk | jake, i have been trying to build this for a while, i hadn't touched it properly until this year (exactly 12 months to the day) | 23:17 |
| jakemaheu | wow, bon annieversaire | 23:17 |
| jakemaheu | my french is rusty | 23:17 |
| lcuk | yeah, i think you just called my aunt a whore or something | 23:18 |
| lcuk | if we werent on irc i would challenge you to a duel :P | 23:18 |
| lcuk | thank you though :) | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | achadwick: i -think- so, as we upload source packages.. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not sure 100% | 23:18 |
| jakemaheu | oui | 23:19 |
| lardman | hmm, no gdb for arm in the repo, should I get it from the sdk repo? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | lardman \o/ i have touchubuntu | 23:20 |
| t_s_o | ugh, i keep getting the impression that the pop support in modest was a afterthought that the devs dont really want to touch any more... | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, think so | 23:20 |
| lardman | on your new IBM machine? | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: compiled liqbase yet? :P | 23:20 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:20 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: cool, cheers | 23:20 |
| achadwick | I'm trying to cobble osm2go into something that'll be uploadable to regular Debian too. If both Debian and Maemo can use the same .orig.tar.gz, that'd be Quite Nice. | 23:20 |
| lcuk | no Stskeeps i ummm broke x86 compatability whilst rushing for the summit | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ah | 23:21 |
| lcuk | but what im thinking is perfect | 23:21 |
| * achadwick applies more Duck[tm] tape. | 23:21 | |
| lcuk | this gives me opportunity to check if i can rip out the speedy library and leave the app stable ontop | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | ducktape, heh. ducttape is definately something i use for this sdk.. | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: what X driver does your touchscreen use? | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 23:22 |
| lcuk | <<< not technical enough | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | (you can see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | heh | 23:23 |
| lardman | hmm, no gdb in the sdk 4.1.2 repo | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | did they notice me and qwerty12's hacking about ? ;P | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gdb/ | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | is there | 23:24 |
| lardman | strange | 23:24 |
| lcuk | mmmm just had a wtf from linux, rebooting.. | 23:24 |
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| lardman | what's the apt line to install from that repo? | 23:26 |
| * lardman dislikes apt | 23:27 | |
| lardman | as he doesn't really know how to set things up | 23:27 |
| * jakemaheu is pissed at apt | 23:27 | |
| jakemaheu | for breaking my firefox | 23:27 |
| jakemaheu | ~curse apt | 23:27 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, apt ! | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free | 23:28 |
| lardman | hmm, me put s/diablo/maemo4.1.2 | 23:28 |
| lardman | not to worry I wgot it ;) and dpkg -i'd it | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | diablo points to current version but no problems | 23:29 |
| lardman | thanks though qwerty12_N800 | 23:29 |
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| b-man | I finally got merinstaller to run (properly) - there were still minor errors but thay were fixed. :) allthough i was so excided about it working that i absent-mindedly formated the wrong mmc - goodbye windows95, android, backed-up data, music, and other important files. :P | 23:30 |
| AStorm | id10t | 23:31 |
| b-man | yah, that's what i'm yelling at myself... | 23:32 |
| AStorm | backup on non-writable media | 23:32 |
| * AStorm is missing the write lock on microsd | 23:32 | |
| b-man | sometimes, i really hate myself. :P | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: we've killed one 770 in the progress of porting deblet to it. a mmc is nothing ;) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | .. and a mmc | 23:36 |
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| b-man | How? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | mmc too much use i think ;) | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | 770 was home made usb power.. | 23:38 |
| * AStorm stops cursing ash | 23:38 | |
| b-man | so you fried the 770.... lol | 23:39 |
| AStorm | haha | 23:39 |
| AStorm | you fail at electronics | 23:39 |
| AStorm | forgot to put a simple diode there? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i didn't, the guy working with it did :P | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | and he's one of the reasons we have a good deblet guide now, so :P | 23:41 |
| AStorm | meh | 23:42 |
| AStorm | I'm supposed to mod my n810 to use usb for charging | 23:42 |
| AStorm | as the puny charger is horrible | 23:42 |
| AStorm | now I wonder why they didn't put that one trace there | 23:43 |
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| b-man | i found a really funny joke from a website, want to here it? - it's a little long... | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, paste it on a pastebin :P | 23:46 |
| AStorm | pastebin | 23:46 |
| AStorm | or link | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK_ | AStorm, what's wrong with the charger? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | the fact that it's... expensive | 23:47 |
| AStorm | and easy to forget | 23:47 |
| b-man | i'll post it here - (dont types ennything untill i say so or it wont work) | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | you get them for 15 bucks or something | 23:47 |
| b-man | see if you can read this: | 23:47 |
| b-man | This is this cat | 23:47 |
| b-man | This is is cat | 23:47 |
| b-man | This is how cat | 23:47 |
| b-man | This is to cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is keep cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is a cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is stupid cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is dork cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is busy cat | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is for cat | 23:48 |
| AStorm | this is how to get a kick | 23:48 |
| b-man | This is forty cat | 23:48 |
| AStorm | :0 | 23:48 |
| AStorm | fail | 23:49 |
| b-man | This is seconds cat | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hint, pastebin next time, it's very bad IRC manners :) | 23:49 |
| AStorm | sequencebreaker | 23:49 |
| b-man | Now go back and read the THIRD word in each line from the top. Betcha you can't resist passing it on | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo rm_you | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: and in my old irc channels it would have earned you a ban :P | 23:49 |
| AStorm | kick at least | 23:49 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to sdk'ing | 23:49 | |
| b-man | did you read every third word? | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you! built the version from garage and it works fine in saving brightness value. as you know :) | 23:50 |
| * rm_you wakes up | 23:50 | |
| rm_you | ll yes | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yes, i did :P it's funny but still, flooding or pasting large amounts suck :P | 23:50 |
| rm_you | s/^l/lo/ | 23:50 |
| b-man | sorry. :p | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | i don't personally care that much, but someone might care some day :P | 23:51 |
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| oli | as a punishment you have to write an open-source ventrilo client ;) | 23:52 |
| b-man | hehe - you got to admit - it's a little funny. :) | 23:52 |
| oli | yep, but i've noticed hidden message after first 6 lines ;) | 23:53 |
| b-man | hehe - that's what's suppose to be funny - don't shoot the messenger ;p | 23:55 |
| b-man | i got it off a website | 23:56 |
| AStorm | blahblah | 23:58 |
| b-man | blahblahblah your self. :) | 23:59 |
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