IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-12-08

Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: gnome-look.org	00:00
GeneralAntilles	http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/any/	00:00
Stskeeps	ah	00:00
GeneralAntilles	They have stuff in 800x480	00:00
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disco_stu	i guess booting from sd makes swap slower	00:05
Stskeeps	do it on the external SD? :P	00:05
disco_stu	yeah could be	00:05
l7	you could try placing the swap partition on a different card than the one you boot from	00:07
Stskeeps	m-vo: think i'll (or get someone to) do some experiments with that line of thought in your post, since native building on a qemu arm is a bit of a drag atm :)	00:07
l7	not sure if that will increase performance though	00:07
l7	or maybe build a small RAID array out of SD cards and connect it via USB ;)	00:08
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l7	http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/2+Moons?content=90890 looks neat	00:16
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marzec	greetings	00:18
marzec	i couldn't find an answer on the net for my problem so i want to try my luck here	00:19
Stskeeps	try us :P	00:19
marzec	for some reason the seamless software update does not work on my device ( n810, diablo 30-2 )	00:19
marzec	so i figured i'd simply use the flasher provided by nokia	00:19
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marzec	however, the flasher does not recognize the device when i connect it to my pc ( win xp, sp 2 )=	00:20
marzec	or rather, i'd notices a new device, tries to install drivers and fails	00:20
Stskeeps	~flashing	00:20
infobot	from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	00:20
timeless	um, i don't suppose the seamoless software update had a log indicating why it failed :)	00:20
marzec	yes, i searched the net	00:21
Stskeeps	try to follow the instructions in there	00:21
marzec	i did so	00:21
GeneralAntilles	timeless, it does, more or less, in the Application Manager's menu.	00:21
marzec	i probably messed up something while was doing some usb related developement on the device	00:21
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timeless	marzec: it'd be nice if you checked the application manager log first	00:24
marzec	i'm doing so atm, just a second	00:24
marzec	when checking it in the application manager i only have a single entry saying hildon application manager 2.1.15	00:24
marzec	*2.1.16	00:24
marzec	however	00:24
marzec	when doing an apt-get update on the cli apt does not seem to be able to connect to the diablo repository	00:25
timeless	i don't suppose you poisoned dns at some point	00:25
marzec	hm, normal serving and pinging works though	00:26
marzec	deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free	00:26
marzec	deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free	00:26
marzec	that's my sources list	00:26
timeless	either by adding a package to do it, or changing the spelling	00:26
l7	marzec: this is related to window's funky usb connection right?	00:26
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timeless	load http://repository.maemo.org/404-404	00:26
marzec	checking	00:26
marzec	l7, yes, when i try the flasher on win xp	00:26
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l7	you might try either using safe mode and seeing if the flasher can see your tablet	00:27
l7	or go into device manager / computer manager and clean up some of the usb settings	00:27
GeneralAntilles	http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ is where updates come from	00:27
marzec	GeneralAntilles, i will add that to my repo list	00:28
marzec	timeless, that gave me a 404 but no dns error	00:28
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marzec	l7, i will check that. first i try the other source	00:28
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GeneralAntilles	marzec, unless you forcibly removed it, it's there.	00:28
GeneralAntilles	It's the only way system updates would show up.	00:28
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marzec	i probably forcably removed it	00:29
Stskeeps	isn't it in sources.list.d/hildon- instead of /etc/apt/sources.list? :P	00:29
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, yes.	00:29
marzec	hm	00:31
marzec	Ign http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release.gpg	00:31
marzec	that doesn't seem right	00:31
m-vo	marzec: that is probably for the empty nokia-certified repo.	00:32
m-vo	apt-get helpfully omits parts of the URL.	00:32
timeless	hi m-vo	00:33
marzec	ic, i should really learn a bit more about debian	00:33
marzec	http://nopaste.com/p/axjdy40MA	00:33
m-vo	timeless: hi! :)	00:33
marzec	here's the apt-get update output	00:33
marzec	if anybody could take the time to check	00:33
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timeless	what brings you out in the open?	00:33
m-vo	marzec: well, this stuff right here is a bit obscure.	00:33
m-vo	marzec: look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d	00:33
m-vo	note the ".d"	00:33
marzec	checking	00:33
marzec	noted	00:34
marzec	/etc/apt/sources.list.d # cat hildon-application-manager.list	00:34
marzec	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free	00:34
marzec	that's the only file in there and the only line in the file	00:35
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m-vo	Oh.	00:35
m-vo	Hmm, how did this go again on Diablo... I keep forgetting...	00:36
m-vo	marzec: Did you try the Catalogue dialog in the AM UI?	00:36
m-vo	Maybe it is just disabled..	00:36
marzec	the catalogue shows all three entries, 2 from the source.list and the other one from the hildon file	00:37
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marzec	that is deb and deb src for diablo free / non free and the extras repository	00:37
marzec	however, i can not edit the diablo repositories in the ui	00:38
marzec	so i can not check wheter they are deactivated	00:38
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marzec	i can do so for the extras repository	00:38
m-vo	No "Nokia System Software Updates" entry?	00:38
marzec	no	00:38
thp	how can i set my maemo.org user icon?	00:38
GeneralAntilles	thp, edit your account	00:39
GeneralAntilles	thp, you may have to click save, then it'll lead you to a page with a bunch of checkboxes	00:39
GeneralAntilles	It's really obnoxious and roundabout and I need to file a bug about it. . . .	00:39
m-vo	marzec: try this one: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/	00:39
marzec	m-vo, checking	00:40
thp	GeneralAntilles: awesome! thanks :) that worked	00:40
m-vo	Err, add "deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list	00:40
marzec	thought so :)	00:40
m-vo	/etc/apt/sources.list.s/hildon- is overwritten by the AM.	00:40
GeneralAntilles	diablo-2 wont get you the updates for 30-6	00:40
thp	GeneralAntilles: do you know if this will automatically update my planet.maemo.org icon too?	00:40
GeneralAntilles	thp, yes, they're the same.	00:40
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thp	thanks :)	00:41
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m-vo	GeneralAntilles: no? Whats in diablo-2 now? Nothing?	00:41
marzec	wonderfull that got me the 36-5 update	00:41
marzec	trying to install it	00:41
m-vo	Aha! :-)	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Does it?	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Hrm	00:42
m-vo	marzec: uhh, I'm nervous...	00:42
marzec	m-vo, thanks a lot	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Did Nokia actually populate the latest repo with the latest packages?	00:42
m-vo	Yes, yes, we fixed that. Stupd oversight.	00:42
marzec	libhildonfm2 is missing	00:42
marzec	i can't install the update	00:42
m-vo	/Stupd/Stupid/	00:42
marzec	oh well	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Oh, thank goodness, one less thing for me to bitch about about SSU. ;)	00:42
m-vo	Hmm, did you mess with your system?	00:43
marzec	yes	00:43
marzec	that's why i wanted to flash it via usb	00:43
marzec	which does not work	00:43
m-vo	let	00:43
m-vo	Errm.	00:43
marzec	but i think i have taken enough of your time for now. i'll try it at my company on monday	00:43
m-vo	let's try to fix it, marzec.	00:43
marzec	well if you have the time i'd be grateful	00:44
m-vo	Let's see. :-)	00:44
m-vo	I assume you feel at home in a root shell, right?	00:44
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marzec	yes	00:44
marzec	checking apt-cache i can see that lib but only the debug version of it	00:45
marzec	wait there's the normal one too	00:45
m-vo	what you want to do is "apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44" (if you have a N810).	00:45
marzec	trying to manually installing it	00:45
m-vo	marzec: the -dbg packages only contain the symbols, no actual library.	00:45
marzec	ay	00:45
m-vo	marzec: you might want to disable all repos that are SDK related.	00:45
marzec	seems to work	00:46
marzec	i already tried that earlier that day	00:46
marzec	but i was obviously missing the repo :)	00:46
m-vo	what's apt-get trying to do?	00:46
m-vo	maybe it is removing half your system... :-/	00:46
marzec	i get's all the needed stuff from the nokia update site	00:46
marzec	that would not be a problem	00:46
marzec	i backed up everything i need	00:46
m-vo	Ok... hmm , why didn't the AM do it itself, then... hmm....	00:47
marzec	i have no idea	00:47
marzec	but it seems to update the os now	00:47
marzec	said it would update 87 packages	00:47
marzec	and they all seem to be core system packages	00:47
marzec	stuff like microb etc.	00:47
m-vo	AM handles conflicts differently. Apt-get remove anything?	00:47
marzec	no	00:47
marzec	dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.	00:48
marzec	dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH.	00:48
marzec	dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH.	00:48
marzec	dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.	00:48
marzec	dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH.	00:48
marzec	NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.	00:48
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marzec	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)	00:48
marzec	grr	00:48
marzec	setting the paths and doing it again	00:48
marzec	...	00:48
m-vo	Whoa.	00:48
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marzec	whoa does not actually sound that good heh	00:49
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GeneralAntilles	Hehe	00:49
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GeneralAntilles	I think I've had paths become unset after installing a package on an almost full system (and running out of space in the process)	00:51
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marzec	yes that could well be	00:51
marzec	manually setting the paths did the trick though	00:51
marzec	it seems to update the system now	00:51
GeneralAntilles	Somewhat similar to: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3795	00:52
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marzec	hm, yes sounds familiar	00:53
marzec	i installed gcc plus some x-headers on the device	00:53
GeneralAntilles	Really messed up evil things tend to happen when the system runs out of storage space	00:53
marzec	and that seemed to have fucked up a lot	00:53
marzec	yeah, all that dev stuff took a lot of space	00:53
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GeneralAntilles	I really hope the next tablet has a sane amount of built-in storage	00:53
marzec	i guess i had like 5mb left on the root fs at some point	00:53
GeneralAntilles	marzec:	00:53
GeneralAntilles	~boot-sd	00:53
infobot	somebody said boot-sd was https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card	00:53
GeneralAntilles	If you're doing on-device development, you'll definitely want to boot from an SD card.	00:54
marzec	oh, yes that makes sense :)	00:54
* m-vo has a N810 with 8 GiB internal flash... 8-)		00:54
marzec	poser :)	00:54
marzec	ok great, that seemed to work	00:55
GAN800	The ke-recv source with 768MB of swap on internal is interesting.	00:55
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marzec	oh shit	00:55
marzec	i shouldn't have sshd via putty and update with that...	00:55
GAN800	Ehehe	00:55
m-vo	yeah....	00:55
Stskeeps	heard that one before	00:56
GAN800	The pitfalls of updating icd. ;)	00:56
m-vo	marzec: just hang in there it might come back.	00:56
GAN800	marzec, clearly an unsupported use-case. :p	00:56
marzec	nope cause it seems to have stopped the connectivity client	00:56
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marzec	*demon	00:57
m-vo	yes, but it might bring it up again.	00:57
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marzec	hm	00:57
mavhc	you'd think it'd be eaiser to just symlink a part of the fs to an sd card	00:57
m-vo	not sure whether a lost netweork really stops apt-get.	00:57
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GeneralAntilles	mavhc, evil, evil, evil.	00:58
marzec	apt-get was already installing	00:58
marzec	and stopped the demon at some point	00:58
marzec	putty can't recover	00:58
marzec	put apt-get should execute to finish at least	00:58
marzec	so i guess i have a smoke and see what happens	00:59
marzec	thanks for all the great help, didn't expect that :) i'll be back to get on your nerves	00:59
GeneralAntilles	mavhc, what happens there is that when the battery gets low it shuts down the SD cards.	00:59
GeneralAntilles	It also doubles the failure points	00:59
GeneralAntilles	It's much cleaner and easier to just boot from SD.	01:00
mavhc	same thing that happens as when it's all on SD?	01:00
l7	at what point does power to the SD card get shut off?	01:00
l7	i assume that means your system crashes if you're booted from SD	01:01
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: it shuts down SD cards when battery gets too low? didn't know that	01:02
Stskeeps	thought it would die way before that :P	01:02
ShadowJK	mine seems to do a clean shutdown	01:03
m-vo	marzec: good luck!	01:03
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GeneralAntilles	l7, not an issue when you're booted from the card.	01:04
GeneralAntilles	It shuts down cleanly as usual.	01:04
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marzec	ow..	01:07
marzec	if i remember correctly the n810 is not really multitasking is it?	01:07
marzec	that is, background stuff like an ssh session will go to sleep if not active anymore	01:07
marzec	so my apt-get just hangs there doing nothing	01:07
marzec	crap	01:07
marzec	top confirms it, apt-get and dpkg are running but at 0% cpu	01:08
Stskeeps	apt-get upgrade is not that suspectable to HUP	01:09
marzec	hopefully	01:09
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Stskeeps	it will probably finish. it multitasks fully	01:09
marzec	uh some life signals from dpkg	01:10
marzec	well, then i have to be patient i guess	01:10
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disco_stu	GeneralAntilles, how much swap have you allocated?	01:18
GeneralAntilles	128MB	01:18
GeneralAntilles	More is likely to lead to performance degradation	01:18
disco_stu	i was going to try 256	01:19
GeneralAntilles	No point	01:19
disco_stu	ok	01:19
ShadowJK	It's too slow once it goes much over 128 in use anyway	01:21
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marzec	hm, apt is no longer locked	01:25
marzec	think it's save to reboot GeneralAntilles?	01:25
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practisevoodoo_	right, i know that kismet works on the n810 os2008 cause i have had it on here before but i didnt bookmark it and now i cant find it again, anyone got the url to the package saved?	01:25
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disco_stu	~kismet	01:28
infobot	rumour has it, kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/	01:28
marzec	nice i think i just killed my n810...	01:29
marzec	now i got the reboot syndrom...	01:29
GeneralAntilles	Disable the watchdog and try apt-get -f install or just wait and flash it.	01:32
marzec	well the device just reboots at startup, around 80%. same as the stuff i read on the forums	01:34
marzec	how could i disable the watchdog in that situation?	01:34
GeneralAntilles	~flasher	01:34
infobot	from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher	01:34
nikosapi	so it seems my SD card got fried and now my terminal freezes for a long while when cd'ing and ls'ing :S	01:35
nikosapi	this is so bizzare	01:35
t_s_o	tried to insert it in a pc and run a filesystem check?	01:35
nikosapi	the SD card?	01:36
nikosapi	none of my computers/card-readers will recognize it	01:36
marzec	GeneralAntilles, i tried that already a couple of times	01:37
marzec	the problem is that the n810 does not wait for the flasher on startup but conitnues to boot	01:37
marzec	*continues	01:37
GeneralAntilles	marzec, are you holding down the swap key with the USB plugged in?	01:37
marzec	the home key, as described on the page	01:38
GeneralAntilles	and USB is plugged in?	01:38
GeneralAntilles	The charger is unplugged?	01:38
marzec	of course	01:38
marzec	check and check	01:38
marzec	windows xp, latest flasher from nokia site	01:38
GeneralAntilles	Are you SURE you're holding down the home key?	01:38
GeneralAntilles	and doing it while powering it on?	01:38
marzec	my my... i mistook the home key as being the power on key	01:39
marzec	i'm very sorry	01:39
marzec	english is not my first language	01:39
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	01:39
marzec	take that as an excuse for stupidity...	01:39
GeneralAntilles	It's the one on the front face with the two overlapping rectangles. ;)	01:39
marzec	ay, i figured :p	01:39
marzec	damn it	01:39
GeneralAntilles	I still need to dredge up some little pictures to show what the button is.	01:39
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marzec	thanks, works like a charme now...	01:40
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	01:41
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marzec	wow that was fast	01:45
marzec	finally back to slashdot	01:46
marzec	thanks a lot folks and gn	01:47
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zakkm	Is there a http downloader for the nokia, some kind of gtk wget perhaps?	01:58
GeneralAntilles	MicroB?	01:59
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zakkm	microb takes too much	01:59
zakkm	and the downloads like go ove reverything	01:59
zakkm	was hoping for it to accept from a text file	01:59
GeneralAntilles	wget?	01:59
zakkm	my install is so screwed, wget wont install	01:59
GeneralAntilles	maemo-mini-curl	02:00
zakkm	whats that	02:00
GeneralAntilles	wget alternative	02:00
zakkm	is it gui or console based?	02:01
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: odd statistics that could be nice to have - how many % of bug reports lay in OSS components	02:01
GeneralAntilles	zakkm, console	02:02
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zakkm	is it worth using 48mhz kernel if i boot from a 4gb class 6 SDHC ?	02:02
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, coerce andre into including it in his reports. :P	02:02
zakkm	thinking of reflashing my nokia	02:02
zakkm	its gotten so messed	02:02
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: alright, ta. is interesting from pov of how much community "could do on their own"	02:03
ShadowJK	microb has issues with downloading anyhow, it has a 5 sec network read timeout that it applies to downloads, so if you happen to be browsing something at the same time, or launching another app, microb might not be able to execute within that 5 second window, especially if there's some swapfile use too...	02:03
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zakkm	yeah	02:04
zakkm	mine used to suddenly stop	02:04
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zakkm	i want to make a txt file on my pc of direct links, send txt over to nokia and use wget -c	02:04
ShadowJK	And resume doesn't work for me after upgrading to diablo	02:04
zakkm	and make it read from text file	02:04
ShadowJK	(the resume bug is in bugzilla, I checked)	02:05
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zakkm	can anyone send me a guide to install 48mhz kernel please :)	02:07
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l7	why would you want a 48mhz kernel? more battery life in exchange for less speed?	02:12
zakkm	i thought 48mhz = faster speed?	02:12
zakkm	i thought it was other way around	02:12
GeneralAntilles	l7, 48MHz effectively overclocks the SD interface	02:14
GeneralAntilles	I don't think there's an appreciable battery life impact.	02:14
l7	ah	02:14
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zakkm	i use cloned to SD..	02:15
zakkm	i boot off SD	02:15
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zakkm	wouldnt it help having that kernel then?	02:15
l7	i wonder if it would be possible to release an iso or distro of maemo with all these customizations	02:15
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, the issue is less with what the community'd be able to fix and more with there being a lot of disincentive to fixing because it's A. unlikely that Nokia will even include the patch and B. we still don't have a very good idea of what Nokia's future plans are.	02:16
GeneralAntilles	Take the Fremantle transition as it stands now	02:16
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, they could go patch city	02:16
zakkm	release a iso	02:16
zakkm	lol	02:16
GeneralAntilles	but, particularly with UI stuff, we don't yet know what's going to happen	02:16
GeneralAntilles	l7, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution	02:16
zakkm	GeneralAntilles: should i install 48mhz, ?	02:16
l7	ah neat	02:16
GeneralAntilles	zakkm, either your card will work with it or it wont	02:16
GeneralAntilles	I'd try it and see what happens	02:17
zakkm	if it does work	02:17
zakkm	is it worth it?	02:17
zakkm	more pros than cons?	02:17
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, Nokia's current setup just plain sucks for accepting patches.	02:17
GeneralAntilles	We're so far behind the current development with the release we get. . . .	02:17
GeneralAntilles	zakkm, cons are: your card may not be compatible	02:17
GeneralAntilles	pros are: you may get faster speeds	02:18
zakkm	but l7 is talking about lower battery life	02:18
zakkm	i like my battery life	02:18
GeneralAntilles	There's no battery life impact	02:18
zakkm	i know, but example	02:18
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lcuk	o rly? mmm up the frequency and not effect battery life. magic	02:19
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, what I mean is: the effect on battery life is trivial	02:19
GeneralAntilles	It's another one of those race-to-idle situations, anyway.	02:19
lcuk	:D thatl do for me	02:19
zakkm	where would i find the kernel i want?	02:21
GeneralAntilles	outpo.st/rotate	02:21
zakkm	thanks and uhh is rotate like on and off?	02:22
zakkm	is it easily toggable?	02:22
GeneralAntilles	It's totally transparent if you don't use it.	02:22
zakkm	i know but iwant to see what its like	02:22
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GeneralAntilles	There are 4 little buttons in adv-backlight.	02:23
zakkm	You can also manually install the kernel with rotation and 48Mhz patch or one WITHOUT the 48Mhz patch, as well as the patched xserver.	02:24
zakkm	do i do the one with 48mhz, then install patched xserver?	02:24
robink	There were 3 android phones at the party I went to	02:24
robink	I was the only person with a Nokia anything	02:24
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zakkm	GeneralAntilles: do i install kernel with rotation and 48mhz patch AND patched xserver	02:28
GeneralAntilles	Yes	02:28
zakkm	do i install kernel then patched xserver?	02:28
zakkm	sorry i screw up nokia stuff so much	02:29
GeneralAntilles	Open the appropriate .intsall	02:29
GeneralAntilles	then run apt-get install rotation-support-n800	02:29
zakkm	the .install is just for rotation	02:29
zakkm	not 48mhz?	02:29
zakkm	unable to install kernel-flasher-diablo	02:30
GeneralAntilles	then run apt-get install rotation-support-n800	02:31
disco_stu	zakkm: i installed that thing and the 48mhz didnt come i guess	02:31
zakkm	i want 48mhz	02:32
GeneralAntilles	Then download and flash the 48MHz kernel when you're done.	02:32
GeneralAntilles	~flasher	02:32
infobot	well, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher	02:32
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zakkm	think i should reclone to SD	02:33
zakkm	from internal	02:33
zakkm	and then do everything from beginning	02:33
zakkm	nice and clean	02:33
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disco_stu	i want to install kde in my other card now	02:36
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disco_stu	but it seems the installer will use internal	02:37
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lcuk	:( a sad sad day. http://othernews.uk.myway.com/article//20081208/A9763401228595967A00.html good job im too poorly to want any	02:53
zakkm	:(	02:55
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disco_stu	zakkm: whats up dude	03:02
zakkm	trying to install 48mhz kernel	03:02
zakkm	having no success	03:02
disco_stu	i wanna try kde	03:02
zakkm	whats stopping you??	03:02
disco_stu	the thing is the installer "installs it" to the sd where you are booting	03:03
disco_stu	i want to install in the other	03:03
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zakkm	switch sd card slots, and run the installer from flash?	03:04
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disco_stu	no, the installer will always install to where you are bootin from	03:05
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zakkm	thats a bad installer	03:06
zakkm	;p	03:06
disco_stu	yeah	03:06
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l7	you could clone your boot partition	03:06
lcuk	cant you boot into it and then install	03:06
lcuk	so then it would know where you are	03:07
disco_stu	i've already clonned	03:08
disco_stu	but i want kde in the other card	03:08
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GeneralAntilles	Why do people insist on putting their replies ABOVE the quoted text on itT?	03:22
GeneralAntilles	I mean, it's one thing in email where most clients position your cursor there anyway	03:22
GeneralAntilles	but you have to ACTIVELY reposition the quote block and your cursor to reply above the quoted text in forums. <_<	03:23
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lcuk	gan i think its because of the default tiny little edit window - i know it can be made bigger but the setting is not persistant	03:25
GeneralAntilles	You need a real browser. ;)	03:25
GeneralAntilles	I can resize the text boxes in mine.	03:25
lcuk	i can in itt	03:26
lcuk	but the default is too small	03:26
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have a problem with it.		03:26
lcuk	and your real browser, where does it store this data	03:26
GeneralAntilles	It doesn't store it	03:26
GeneralAntilles	You just drag a little tab in the bottom right corner to resize the box	03:26
lcuk	so you have to resize every time you use it	03:26
GeneralAntilles	Just like any window	03:26
GeneralAntilles	Meh, 90% of the time I don't	03:27
GeneralAntilles	Because it's really plenty of space	03:27
lcuk	on itt tin the top right theres clickers for bigger smaller	03:27
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I know.	03:27
GeneralAntilles	Either way, I don't really buy that argument.	03:27
GeneralAntilles	It automatically places your cursor in the right place	03:27
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lcuk	tis personal observation - tbh most of the time a full block quote of the previous comment is not required anyway	03:28
GeneralAntilles	Well, yeah, that's the other place they tend to fail.	03:28
GeneralAntilles	But one issue at a time. ;)	03:28
lcuk	heh yeah	03:28
lcuk	i cant shake this horrid head and bleugh feeling, had a big brazilian meal last night and ive suffered all day	03:29
lcuk	im off back to bed	03:29
pupnik	cheers lcuk	03:30
lcuk	cheers?	03:31
pupnik	well good rest then	03:32
lcuk	yeah dude, catch up with you another time	03:33
pupnik	<- makes some rice and turkey breast and stir-fry vegetables	03:33
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bef0rd	hola	03:42
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zakkm	how come i cant install kernel-diablo-flasher on nokia?	03:49
zakkm	the deb package	03:49
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zakkm	what does Failed writing body mean	03:58
zakkm	im trying to do rotation from maemo-mini-curl	03:58
bef0rd	maybe not enough free space to save the files	04:00
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zakkm	got cnflict problem now	04:00
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zakkm	could anyone help me get 48mhz kernel?	04:15
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zakkm	is it safe to uninstall osso-software-version-rx34	04:22
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bef0rd	I think so, but that will leave you without SSU updates	04:23
GeneralAntilles	zakkm, jott's package installs everything you need. . . .	04:24
bef0rd	There is a package provided by jott that replaces it, and let you do whatever you were trying to do, and it also let you uses SSU	04:24
zakkm	jott's package?	04:25
GeneralAntilles	http://outpo.st/rotate/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200835maemo1rotationfast_all.deb	04:25
zakkm	it wont let me install that	04:25
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zakkm	i dont need ssu updates?	04:25
GeneralAntilles	Did you apt-get install rotation-support-n800 like I told you to?	04:25
zakkm	yeah	04:25
zakkm	bui get the flash and reboot	04:25
zakkm	thingy	04:25
zakkm	reading blog now	04:25
zakkm	ahh itt	04:26
zakkm	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22099	04:26
zakkm	i think im good now :)	04:27
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zakkm	GeneralAntilles: i did clone to sd again like 30min ago, and hildon desktop still takes 24mb according to load-applet	04:28
zakkm	"unable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package."	04:28
zakkm	reading and flashing kernel image, image sucessfully flashed	04:29
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GeneralAntilles	Ah, good times: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247685#post247685	04:41
GeneralAntilles	"jargon and developing"	04:41
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RST38h	moo all	07:33
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Myrtti	MOO	07:36
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bombas	Hello Maemo!!	07:37
r2d2rogers	Myrtti: baaa	07:37
r2d2rogers	Myrtti: "three singing pigs go Laaa laa laa."	07:37
r2d2rogers	oh wait... sorry my wife did bedtime stories tonight ;)	07:38
Myrtti	r2d2rogers: don't make me laugh like that, I've slept two hours and almost snorted coffee out my nose	07:38
r2d2rogers	\o/	07:38
bombas	E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.	07:38
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r2d2rogers	Myrtti: to the baa or the pigs?	07:38
bombas	please help whats needs to done!	07:38
r2d2rogers	bombas: Sorry I haven't managed to get scratcbox working lately, I'm gonna be working more with Mer and my 770	07:40
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bombas	r2d2rogers: thanks for the reply. So is there any old builds/tools i can install for maemo setup?	07:44
r2d2rogers	bombas: what are you wanting to do?	07:46
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r2d2rogers	~development	07:47
infobot	methinks development is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20applications%20and%20develop%20for%20the%20iPAQ	07:48
r2d2rogers	wow	07:48
r2d2rogers	for the iPAQ	07:48
GeneralAntilles	r2d2rogers, infobot is in several channels	07:50
GeneralAntilles	maemo.org/development	07:50
r2d2rogers	ahha	07:50
r2d2rogers	thanks	07:50
r2d2rogers	~maemo.org/development	07:50
GeneralAntilles	~maemo-dev is http://maemo.org/development	07:51
infobot	okay, GeneralAntilles	07:51
r2d2rogers	thank you GeneralAntilles	07:51
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r2d2rogers	bombas: does that help you any? ^^^	07:51
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andrewfblack	Hello	07:53
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l7	~remove xterm-scrollbar	07:56
l7	~removing xterm-scrollbar	07:56
l7	hrm, what did i name that thing?	07:56
l7	~removing osso-scrollbar	07:57
GeneralAntilles	~remove-osso-scrollbar	07:57
GeneralAntilles	~osso-scrollbar-remove	07:57
GeneralAntilles	Apparently nothing sensible. :P	07:57
GeneralAntilles	But it has to be all one word	07:58
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RST38h	moo, General	07:59
GeneralAntilles	Hi, RST38h.	07:59
l7	~removing-xterm-scrollbar	07:59
l7	~remove-xterm-scrollbar	07:59
infobot	i heard remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0"	07:59
l7	ah thanks :)	08:00
l7	is there a way to get an index from infobot?	08:00
GeneralAntilles	Not that I know of	08:01
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bombas	r2d2rogers: I want to setup maemo SDK. while doing that, i was getting some errors and solutions along, i kept fixing them till I stuck at this error "E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.". is there a alternative way?	08:13
r2d2rogers	That I don't know, sorry	08:14
bombas	r2d2rogers: ok no issues. thanks!	08:15
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: is the imager you gave me about 2 days ago outdated?	08:38
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* Meiz_n810 has to re-install Mer again...		08:47
r2d2rogers	Meiz_n810: I'm trying now on 770	08:47
Meiz_n810	ok	08:48
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Meiz_n810	good luck :)	08:48
r2d2rogers	thanks	08:48
Meiz_n810	This time i'll try ubuntu-MID packages	08:49
l7	~mer	08:51
infobot	from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary)	08:51
l7	hmm, too bad it's not Maemo Reloaded	08:52
GeneralAntilles	Too many horrible, horrible Matrix associations.	08:53
Myrtti	Follow The White Bunny	08:53
l7	heh	08:54
l7	Follow The White Bunny?	08:54
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Myrtti	well, bunnies are so much cuter than plain rabbits	09:03
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GeneralAntilles	Comment #3 is kind of a sad thought: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/	09:10
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Sargun	When is the new Nokia coming!?	09:55
bergie	Sargun: I don't think there is any definitive information about that :-)	09:56
* Proteous cries		09:57
Sargun	noooooo	09:57
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bergie	though, if the new nokia, whenever it comes out, is anyway similar to N97, I'd be happy	10:05
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Shezi	Hi, I want to know about File Manager metadata extraction.? How it extracts and where it stores the extracted metadata?A	10:09
vincenzo88	Hello	10:09
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Shezi	is the trackerd daemon uses sqlite to store metadata information	10:59
Shezi	?	10:59
Shezi	when the files are indexed	10:59
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qwerty12	m-vo, is there plans to bring back the diablo branch of h-a-m? http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager is NOT a diablo branch and hence fails compiling under a diablo sdk. I would like to be able to do a "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/hildon-app-mgr/branches/2.1.x/" which had the real diablo h-a-m but instead I get a README telling me to go to gitorious to download the fremantle version. What gives?	11:04
qwerty12	Ahh, I'm being thick. Sorry, http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo	11:05
qwerty12	Be nice if that readme pointed directly there :)	11:06
* aquatix gives qwerty12 a nice cup of coffee/tea		11:06
aquatix	(cross through what's not to your liking)	11:06
qwerty12	Thanks aquatix :D	11:06
aquatix	yw :)	11:06
GeneralAntilles	Ouch. <_< http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo/catpo	11:06
qwerty12	s/Able/Abel/g :)	11:07
qwerty12	Now that I'm up; I may as well compile the latest h-a-m.	11:08
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: can you upload latest imager tar.gz?	11:16
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Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: yeah, sec, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz	11:21
Stskeeps	is the latest one	11:21
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qwerty12	ffs, git is a nice way to fucking piss you off	11:22
glass_	"but it's so fast"	11:23
glass_	"look at these stats"	11:23
qwerty12	it's so anal retentive	11:23
w00t	what's up?	11:25
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: thanks	11:26
qwerty12	All I want is the release_diablo branch/tree/whateverthefuckitiscalled and I keep getting the mainline. I've tried a shit ton of variations on the git command to no avail	11:26
Stskeeps	git clone <url> <branch>?	11:27
Stskeeps	.. dunno	11:27
qwerty12	Stskeeps, I've tried that	11:27
qwerty12	git just makes a new fucking folder and gets mainline	11:27
qwerty12	at least with fucking svn, all that entails is /branches/2.1.x	11:28
pupnik	"Bank robbery is a dilletantish trade. Real pros found a bank." - Berthold Brecht	11:31
AStorm	qwerty12, can't use git properly, you?	11:32
qwerty12	AStorm, yep	11:32
AStorm	the only thing it needs is partial pull	11:32
qwerty12	Tell me more :)	11:32
AStorm	I don't know how to make a shallow clone :)	11:33
AStorm	about what?	11:33
qwerty12	Heh, nothing, thanks for the pointer :)	11:33
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AStorm	qwerty12, ah, you want to pull something#branch	11:34
AStorm	or use git remote to set the branch	11:34
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, what's responsible for the "unplug your wallwart or bring about the end of mankind" banner?	11:34
GeneralAntilles	Is that the battery applet or one of the daemons?	11:34
qwerty12	AStorm, Ah, thanks!	11:34
Stskeeps	battery applet i think	11:35
qwerty12	yer, battery applet. You don't see it with advanced-power.	11:35
qwerty12	Plus, I changed the locales of the battery applet last time.	11:35
GeneralAntilles	That's what I figured	11:35
GeneralAntilles	thanks	11:35
AStorm	advanced-power? what's better about it?	11:35
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905	11:36
qwerty12	AStorm, minus being made in python, it's way better. I'll get you a screenshit	11:36
AStorm	being in python is not a minus :P	11:36
qwerty12	bollocks, kismet left my wifi unusable :/	11:36
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lardman	morning	11:36
AStorm	as python is already running for canolad	11:36
AStorm	:>	11:37
lardman	anything exciting happened today?	11:37
qwerty12	AStorm, depends, you can see the delay when tapping the battery icon	11:37
qwerty12	morning lardman	11:37
w00t	qwerty12: you get the whole repo, then you switch to the head you want	11:37
AStorm	hello	11:37
w00t	</late>	11:37
w00t	(partial pull would be nice, though, yes)	11:37
qwerty12	w00t, no, no it's all helpful to me, thanks	11:37
AStorm	qwerty12, that's bad design	11:37
AStorm	my pygtk apps work ok	11:37
w00t	:)	11:37
AStorm	w/o lag	11:37
AStorm	(on tablet too)	11:38
Mikho	could someone help? I suddenly started getting the error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/lib/libbenri-util.la' My library is in /usr/lib, not /usr/local/lib. Why is it searching in /usr/local ?	11:38
lardman	Mikho: how did you build it?	11:39
AStorm	--prefix?	11:39
AStorm	--libdir?	11:39
Mikho	with autotools	11:39
Mikho	just by typing "make" like always	11:39
AStorm	or, some other lib has that in its .la file	11:39
lardman	configure usually accepts a switch to tell it where the binaries & lib should do, often defults to /usr/local	11:39
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lardman	ah, we're talking about the linker though	11:40
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lardman	I'll go back to sleep ;)	11:40
Shezi	the searching capability via Trackerd! Do Trackerd uses sqlite on its backend to store metadata information of files	11:40
Shezi	?	11:40
Stskeeps	Shezi: we have no idea how tracker will work as the sdk is not out yet	11:41
qwerty12	AStorm, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybat1.png & http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybatt2.png	11:41
Shezi	but how it was working before?	11:41
Shezi	the same in Ubuntu or Debian?	11:41
GeneralAntilles	Shezi, you'd have to talk to upstream	11:41
GeneralAntilles	Maemo hasn't seen any Tracker yet. :)	11:42
Mikho	it was working before. The library and the pc file are in correct locations in /usr/lib	11:42
GeneralAntilles	lol, I knew if ANYBODY was gonna use that theme it was definitely gonna be qwerty12. :P	11:42
Shezi	GeneralAntilles, : According to Mikho, it was using trackerd before	11:42
GeneralAntilles	Shezi, we're getting lines crossed here. :)	11:43
Mikho	trackerd?	11:43
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, I tried it out yesterday :P, the clock design convinced me to keep it :P	11:43
qwerty12	Before that, I was using Titan	11:43
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Shezi	Mikho, Trackerd , a demon which indexes files and extracts the metadata and stores them in a database	11:43
Shezi	Searching is usually done through Trackerd	11:44
AStorm	like beagle?	11:44
Shezi	yes	11:44
GeneralAntilles	Shezi, like I said, Maemo hasn't seen Tracker yet (it likely will very soon). For now, you'll need to talk to upstream.	11:44
GeneralAntilles	Shezi, they're available on GimpNet on #tracker.	11:45
GeneralAntilles	http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/development.html	11:45
Shezi	all right	11:45
Shezi	but can you please tell me, how the searching worked in maemo...	11:45
Shezi	?	11:46
Shezi	some libraries/plugins etc wat?	11:46
Stskeeps	closed source daemon which noone liked	11:47
Shezi	aha, so do it has a name. or they never made it public	11:47
Shezi	?	11:47
Stskeeps	metalayer-crawler or something	11:48
Shezi	but it harvests only mediafiles metadata	11:48
Stskeeps	correct	11:50
Shezi	so what about emails, other files etc	11:50
Stskeeps	don't think it really does that	11:50
Stskeeps	which is why tracker would be an improvement	11:50
qwerty12	For any noobs like me who want the release_diablo branch of h-a-m : git clone git://gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline.git ; cd mainline/ ; git fetch ; git checkout --track -b release_diablo origin/release_diablo ; git pull	11:50
qwerty12	and that was a long pita to do	11:51
AStorm	btw, how do I disable the ctrl+e search?	11:51
qwerty12	AStorm, you may be able to do it with the bluetooth keyboard applet. If not, then you could enter gconf because there are shortcuts in there iirc	11:51
* RST38h wonders loudly		11:52
Shezi	All right, so you think metalayer-crawler is responsible for emails, media files , phone book entry etc metadata	11:52
Shezi	?	11:52
Stskeeps	didn't say that.. :P	11:52
RST38h	no just media	11:52
AStorm	qwerty12, where in gconf?	11:52
Shezi	lol :)	11:53
Shezi	RST38h, :) thanks	11:53
Shezi	but then i am still getting confused about the emails, phonebook, bookmarks etc , how their metadata is extracted though. If they are not using metalayer-crawler	11:54
Shezi	?	11:54
qwerty12	AStorm, /apps/osso/keybindings	11:54
RST38h	Their metadata is not currently extracted	11:54
Stskeeps	Shezi: manual search..	11:54
AStorm	thx	11:54
Shezi	aha right, thats also possible	11:55
AStorm	qwerty12, howw do I get the nice icons on main screen?	11:55
qwerty12	AStorm, fiferboy's personal launcher	11:55
qwerty12	it's in extras	11:56
Shezi	But I think , phone book, emails and bookmark are using some plugins to extract the metadata, and then these metadata can be used by the search clients to find the files or its metadata	11:56
Shezi	sorry , only files	11:56
Mikho	I don't understand... all other projects using the same library compile & link without problems	11:56
AStorm	qwerty12, 5hx	11:56
RST38h	qwerty: Returning to yesterday, any chance of compiling that file manager for Maemo? =)	11:57
AStorm	thx	11:57
RST38h	Shezi: No.	11:57
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AStorm	Now, I'd only need a way to get rid of the left bar	11:58
AStorm	and put its useful buttons on the home screen	11:58
qwerty12	RST38h, sure, I can try again after I've messed with h-a-m, but bewarned that it didn't work properly last time: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19270&highlight=pcman	11:58
Shezi	RST38h: Then i think the search client will have the capability of reading metadata directly from files and showing the results to the user, if the search is done through metadata keyword	11:58
AStorm	actually, one - menu	11:58
* lardman wonders what Google have done to Maps to make it sooooo slllooooooowwww?		11:59
qwerty12	lardman, upgraded it of course!	11:59
RST38h	qwerty: Oh	11:59
lardman	qwerty12: damn, going to need to upgrade to a Quad core + 8GB of RAM now	11:59
AStorm	more javascrot	11:59
qwerty12	lardman, hehe	12:00
AStorm	they "optimized" it for chrome	12:00
lardman	then again it might be Firefox that is just choking	12:00
AStorm	that's why maemo-mapper suddenly became so much more useful	12:00
lardman	well it would be a damn site quicker than trying to use my desktop browser anyway. Grrr!	12:01
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AStorm	ok, so how do I get rid of the bar on the left?	12:02
AStorm	have to replace wm to something? :P	12:02
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AStorm	(like, normal matchbox, not hacked)	12:03
X-Fade	Morning.	12:03
AStorm	ok, hav to get rid of window borders	12:05
Shezi	RST38h: About File Manager, how it extracts metadata from file?	12:06
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AStorm	gnomevfs?	12:07
Shezi	hmm dont know,.. :\	12:07
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RST38h	Shezi: it does not	12:11
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AStorm	qwerty12, where do I get adv. battery?	12:13
qwerty12	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905	12:13
qwerty12	Stolen from GeneralAntilles's scrollback :P	12:13
AStorm	mhm	12:13
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RST38h	Reminds me once again abut having to do a dock applet skeleton code	12:15
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Mikho	mysterious are the ways of the autotools	12:21
AStorm	autofail	12:22
Mikho	and the error messages are ambiguous enough for someone to invent a new religion based on them	12:22
AStorm	a bot, here?	12:22
AStorm	povbot, botsnack	12:22
povbot	AStorm: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.	12:22
qwerty12	~botsnack	12:22
infobot	aw, gee, qwerty12	12:22
qwerty12	muhahahaha	12:22
AStorm	another...	12:23
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RST38h	~burn autotools for who needs them nowadays?	12:25
* infobot pours gasoline all over autotools for who needs them nowadays, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze		12:25
w00t	amen.	12:26
qwerty12	~bitchslap autotools	12:26
* infobot beats the sh*t out of autotools		12:26
qwerty12	~rob autotools	12:26
* infobot strips autotools of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy		12:26
qwerty12	~beat autotools	12:26
* infobot beats autotools with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish		12:26
w00t	I frequently say that autotools should die in a fire	12:26
w00t	now, it finally has.	12:26
Mikho	haha, I feel better already	12:27
* RST38h secretly believes that the whole reason for having Scratchbox instead of a normal SDK is the autotools		12:27
w00t	Stskeeps: you didn't mention that stuff involved autotools :(	12:27
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murrayc	Stskeeps: What would a "normal SDK" be? The reason for having scratchbox is to have a simulation of the device and a build environment for it.	12:30
murrayc	I mean RST38h	12:30
AStorm	normal SDK would use normal crosscompiler	12:31
AStorm	like, say, T9 linux	12:31
lardman	murrayc: I guess he means a cross toolchain + libs	12:31
AStorm	not cpu emulation	12:31
murrayc	How would you run it without CPU emulation?	12:32
murrayc	What is T9 Linux?	12:32
AStorm	it's cross...	12:33
AStorm	T9 SDE	12:33
AStorm	google it up	12:33
murrayc	I am. I get nothing	12:33
AStorm	maybe they renamed it	12:33
murrayc	Reusing the T9 tradename would be foolish.	12:34
AStorm	hm?	12:35
AStorm	whoops	12:35
AStorm	T2 SDE or sth	12:35
AStorm	I mess up this nondescriptive name	12:36
RST38h	murrayc <-- kinda clueless	12:37
RST38h	murrayc: A plain vanilla SDK would be just a set of cross compilation tools and binary tools	12:37
murrayc	I am kinda clueless?	12:37
RST38h	murrayc: No emulation required in this case, it runs on the host architecture and produces target arch binaries	12:38
murrayc	AStorm: So it's a distro? It wouldn't be nice to force people to use one distro? (Though people are effectively forced to use Debian or Ubuntu with Maemo if they want an easy life, because of the problems that mvo mentions in his blog.)	12:38
RST38h	The reason why Scratchbox uses emulation and other mysterious crap is because "some software requires running binaries on the target architecture to compile"	12:38
AStorm	murrayc, scratchbox is a distro	12:39
murrayc	RST38h: And to get something like the behaviour of that architecture. Code acts differently on intel/arm sometimes in ways that are significant in the debugging phase.	12:39
* RST38h always wondered what binaries would that be until it struck him that they meant the freaking Autotools/		12:39
AStorm	debian-like	12:39
AStorm	:P	12:39
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murrayc	AStorm: In a way, yes.	12:40
AStorm	RST38h, some is mostly autofoo	12:40
AStorm	and they're too lazy to patch it	12:40
RST38h	murrayc: Absolutely insignificant as Scratchbox is next to useless for debugging	12:40
AStorm	t2 patches packages for cross	12:40
AStorm	and they work	12:40
derf	I've done almost all of my debugging in scratchbox.	12:40
RST38h	murrayc: It does not reflect the behaviour of your code on the real device and some system features (like file dialogs) do not even work	12:40
murrayc	RST38h: I think when you say "Plain vanilla SDK" you mean a Scratchbox that is self-contained. People agree that Scratchbox should be fixed and it looks like Scratchnox 2 could solve many of the problems.	12:40
AStorm	yup, scratchbox is useless for debug	12:41
AStorm	so you haven't hit real bugs yet :>	12:41
murrayc	RST38h: Yes, it's not a 100% simulation, but it's still closer than running as i386.	12:41
RST38h	murrayc: When I say "plain vanilla SDK" I mean plain vanilla SDK.	12:41
RST38h	I do not, DO NOT mean Scratchbox	12:41
AStorm	murrayc, most not	12:41
AStorm	the major being its debianisms	12:41
AStorm	:P	12:41
RST38h	murrayc: not close enough to be useful sorry	12:42
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murrayc	Scratchbox is vastly better than the proprietary development environments that I've used for other mobile platforms.	12:43
RST38h	mmm/...like what?	12:44
qwerty12	For me, scratchbox is quicker because I don't have to mess around with configure arguments and export a bunch of variables to point to my new toolchain	12:45
AStorm	qwerty12, that's the debian part :P	12:45
qwerty12	AStorm, probably :P :D	12:45
AStorm	actually, easy to do with one script	12:45
lardman	I don't like the way I have to pollute my build environment, it would be nice if the changes required to build a package (e.g. installing support libs) could be wiped away in one go	12:45
* RST38h only does it once and forgets about it		12:45
AStorm	so, not important	12:45
RST38h	While with SB mysterious holes leading to pools of fecal matter with weird file extensions open daily	12:46
lardman	RST38h: it does do the job though	12:46
lardman	RST38h: would you really prefer a cross compiler?	12:47
RST38h	lardman: yes, but I would rather write my own code than try figuring out why SB broke again	12:47
RST38h	lardman: yes	12:47
lardman	RST38h: consider building something like R, where the R binary itself is used to build parts of the support files	12:47
RST38h	lardman: I have that	12:47
lardman	cross compiled?	12:47
RST38h	lardman: I compile code-generating part with host CC	12:47
lardman	without hackery? ;)	12:47
RST38h	without any hackery	12:48
AStorm	lardman, then you need a cross binary of R	12:48
lardman	hmm	12:48
lardman	so you patched the Makefiles	12:48
AStorm	if they ignored that, R is too bad to live	12:48
RST38h	They are my own makefiles	12:48
lardman	while in scratchbox you just say go, and it compiles	12:48
AStorm	more fun is with python and such :P	12:48
AStorm	lardman, or breaks, more often	12:49
AStorm	with a segfault	12:49
AStorm	:)	12:49
RST38h	lardman: I can't install Scratchbox on my Windows machine (need to install Linux), it takes 1GB+ HD space (have to delete half of Ubuntu distro) and SB1 does not let me access host filesystem from inside	12:49
lardman	really? I've not seen many of those	12:49
AStorm	qemu niceness	12:49
RST38h	lardman: Sorry, but I will take a crosscompiler any time	12:49
lardman	RST38h: indeed, nothing is perfect	12:49
lardman	RST38h: but all of these are acceptable to me, cross toolchains are a pita	12:49
lardman	imo of course, from time spent compiling for the Zaurus	12:50
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AStorm	nah	12:50
AStorm	apps not build for crossing are	12:50
AStorm	*not built	12:50
RST38h	lardman: You probably port a lot of standard Linux software, then it makes sense	12:50
lardman	which, unfortunately, is many	12:50
AStorm	worst offender is perl	12:51
AStorm	for python, can just axe the .pyo, .pyc and redo these on target machine	12:52
vincenzo88	Hello, i developp on N810 and i try to create a launch icon on the navigator bar. I have create the .desktop and .service files. The icon appear in the menu but when i click on the icon nothing append. Someone have and idea to help me ? Thanks.	12:52
AStorm	and it will correctly use cross CC	12:52
vincenzo88	(the program work when i launch it with ./myapp)	12:52
RST38h	vincenzo: your program probably does not connect to DBus	12:52
RST38h	vincenzo: Remove the dbus-related line from .desktop and delete the .service file	12:53
qwerty12	vincenzo88, where is the binary located and can you pastebin your desktop and service file?	12:53
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vincenzo88	qwerty12: the binary is in : /usr/bin/folder/binary	12:54
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vincenzo88	i paste my two files 1 sec ;)	12:54
lardman	hmm	12:54
qwerty12	vincenzo88, hrm, iirc, it's not really orthodox to have subfolders in bin	12:54
vincenzo88	Ok i will put the executable directly in bin folder	12:55
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qwerty12	generally, files needed by your program should be loaded from /usr/share/program/whatever	12:56
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vincenzo	re this is the desktop :	12:59
vincenzo	[Desktop Entry]	12:59
vincenzo	Encoding=UTF-8	12:59
vincenzo	Version=1.0.1	12:59
vincenzo	Type=Application	12:59
vincenzo	Name=icuportable	12:59
vincenzo	Exec=/usr/bin/IcuPortable/icuportable	12:59
vincenzo	X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.icuportable	12:59
vincenzo	Icon=qgn_list_gene_default_app	12:59
lardman	~pastebin	12:59
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste	12:59
RST38h	vincenzo: Remove X-Osso-Service= line	13:00
RST38h	vincenzo: It should work then	13:00
AStorm	vincenzo, is there such a service running?	13:00
AStorm	yup	13:00
vincenzo	I will put the binary directly in the bin folder too	13:00
RST38h	That is not necessary but probably is a good idea	13:01
lopz	hola	13:01
RST38h	creating subfolders in /usr/bin isn't good practice	13:01
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qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, #13 on #2285 sucks :/. Regarding extras, I don't think his package is debanized and he uses pypackager :/	13:01
vincenzo	I delete the .service file too ?	13:02
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RST38h	yes, unless you really implement the service	13:03
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vincenzo	It's work !! Many thanks for your help i search for 5 hours	13:07
RST38h	hehe	13:08
RST38h	[and now he is going to ask how to make it display the icon in the task bar]	13:08
qwerty12	Well :P, gtk apps do that automatically from my knowledge and with sdl games, it's not hard to bend them into submission :P	13:09
vincenzo	it's not very important for the moment but i suppose i have to change the line "Icon"	13:09
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AStorm	vincenzo, not just that :)	13:10
AStorm	some hildon stuff has to be done	13:10
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AStorm	I don't remember what	13:10
Macer	blah	13:13
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Macer	boswars is pretty good for being on an n800	13:14
Macer	:)	13:14
Macer	would be even better if there were more types of units	13:14
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qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png	13:24
qwerty12	debs are in the same place	13:24
lardman	is the General about?	13:26
caio1982	qwerty12: neat theme, what is it?	13:28
qwerty12	caio1982, ciroip's 3d mania : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24736	13:28
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caio1982	thanks :)	13:29
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Stskeeps	murrayc: look at m-vos post on planet.maemo.org	13:36
Stskeeps	exactly like that	13:36
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aquatix	qwerty12: that .deb in the first post of that itt.com thread, is that the latest version of that theme?	13:49
qwerty12	aquatix, probably not, I'm using the desaturated version: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=805	13:50
* aquatix still wants to make a theme of his own		13:57
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yerga	Fremantle SDK is out!	14:00
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aquatix	.. ew? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4956/ApplicationManager_Sshot_arlecchino_teaser.jpg	14:00
aquatix	yerga: ooh	14:00
yerga	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/	14:00
qwerty12	Party!	14:00
Stskeeps	woo	14:00
yerga	qwerty12, you should be hacking yet	14:00
Stskeeps	alpha?	14:01
aquatix	hm, i didn't check lately, but is there any word on compatibility with n8x0? (or am i the gazillionth person to ask)	14:01
lardman	at last	14:01
aquatix	of course, there's always community backporting	14:01
lardman	aquatix: +1	14:01
qwerty12	yerga, I've built the latest diablo app mgr with your mods etc, that's my hacking for the day :P	14:01
lardman	right, let's get building an image for the n8x0 then :)	14:01
Stskeeps	-finally-	14:02
qwerty12	lardman, you first :P	14:02
lardman	qwerty12: ;)	14:02
qwerty12	ooh, I don't know wtf wildmidi is but it has a funky name	14:02
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aquatix	qwerty12: some midi synth?	14:04
qwerty12	yeah, I wonder what nokia are planning to use it for :)	14:04
Stskeeps	ringtones?	14:04
lardman	bluez4	14:04
lcuk	ooooh @ shiny new stuff	14:04
lcuk	haptics ;)	14:05
qwerty12	the sdk-default-icons now, seem awfully like the ones from diablo...	14:05
lardman	they are	14:06
lardman	same ui for the time being	14:06
lardman	lcuk: where's haptics?	14:06
qwerty12	my point is that the sdk-default-icons in diablo are fugly	14:06
lardman	ah, well I'm sure we'll get the new ui when we get it	14:06
qwerty12	pulseaudio!	14:06
lardman	surprised?	14:07
lardman	we knew that from the summit	14:07
qwerty12	nope, I knew it was coming ;)	14:07
qwerty12	still nice to see	14:07
Stskeeps	i wonder if dsme is out yt	14:07
* lardman wonders how the alarms will be handled now		14:07
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qwerty12	openssh is included in the sdk now	14:08
lardman	libc is 2.5.1-1eglibc7 - what does that mean?	14:08
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andrewfblack	Morning	14:09
lardman	or just some random version?	14:09
lardman	hello andrewfblack	14:09
qwerty12	afternoon andrewfblack	14:09
XTL	lardman: I'd parse that as -1e tending towards glibc v7.x	14:09
lardman	XTL: ok	14:09
qwerty12	lcuk, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mesa/ !	14:10
XTL	No real idea, though.	14:10
XTL	qwerty12: heh	14:10
AStorm	qwerty12, where's our gallium on DSP? :P	14:11
lardman	maemo-chavo-runtime :)	14:11
lardman	what is that?	14:11
AStorm	write it!	14:11
qwerty12	whee, 2.6.27 as default kernel	14:11
qwerty12	AStorm, :P	14:11
qwerty12	lardman, something to do with communications subsystem	14:11
AStorm	:D	14:11
lardman	AStorm: I hope it won't be necessary	14:11
andrewfblack	why are there so many kinds of security screws grrr	14:12
lardman	qwerty12: ok	14:12
AStorm	heh, why?	14:12
AStorm	it's opengl's future	14:12
lardman	AStorm: just because	14:12
lardman	on the DSP though...?	14:12
AStorm	well, that powervr is arm...	14:13
AStorm	so, you could push gallium pipeline there	14:13
AStorm	:>	14:13
lardman	AStorm: what? it's not ARM	14:13
lardman	libspeexdsp1 - interesting	14:14
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AStorm	lardman, yes, the powervr chip is a specialized arm	14:14
qwerty12	lardman, it's a standard library in debian too	14:14
lardman	AStorm: do you have a source?	14:15
AStorm	that's why they don't want to release drivers	14:15
lardman	qwerty12: ok	14:15
AStorm	because all gfx pipeline is there	14:15
AStorm	:>	14:15
AStorm	as in TI pages..., yes	14:15
AStorm	check them	14:15
lardman	url?	14:15
AStorm	it's a specialized arm implementation	14:15
lardman	ok, but do you have a url to the docs?	14:16
AStorm	sorry, my conn. is very loaded	14:16
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AStorm	but, it's on OMAP2 arch chart	14:16
AStorm	lardman, it's highly visible, please	14:16
lardman	I've never seen anything about the implementation of it	14:16
AStorm	no, no docs for that part of OMAP2, unfortunately	14:17
lardman	nor anything stating that it's an ARM core	14:17
lardman	is this the arch chart you mean? http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11988&contentId=4638	14:18
lardman	or one specific to a SOC?	14:18
AStorm	really, check :)	14:18
lardman	I have done really, hence my wanting a pointer :)	14:18
AStorm	in a few secs	14:18
lardman	cool	14:18
AStorm	after I get to load the pages...	14:19
lardman	too many people doing Xmas shopping, slowing down the interweb! ;)	14:19
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lardman	hmm, still running in scratchbox1	14:20
qwerty12	good, good	14:21
AStorm	nah	14:22
AStorm	my conn is loaded by OOo 3 download	14:22
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AStorm	and it's just 64kbps now :P	14:22
lardman	ok, so tell me which page it was on then	14:22
AStorm	so I'm in a timeout hell	14:22
* Stskeeps isnt sure if we're getting anything huge from sdk that we didnt have already		14:25
lardman	Stskeeps: just updates	14:25
lardman	AStorm: are you sure you're not thinking of the IVA2?	14:25
Stskeeps	lardman: most of them are in svn already. maybe matchbox wm 2 though	14:26
X-Fade	Hmmm modest seems to be removed from fremantle sdk?	14:26
lardman	X-Fade: is for platform devs, probably not been finalised yet?	14:27
Stskeeps	i welcome the death of modest	14:27
X-Fade	Yeah, or because it depends on that cert thing, which isn't open?	14:27
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X-Fade	And this SDK only contains the open parts.	14:28
StsN800	true	14:28
AStorm	lardman, hmm, possible	14:28
AStorm	but IVA2 is an evolutionary development	14:29
lardman	AStorm: I've done a fair bit of work looking at the PowerVR and have never come across any information about it being an ARM core	14:29
AStorm	so IVA 1 is the same stuff... more or less	14:29
lardman	the IVA2 otoh is an ARM9 (iirc) + memory + coprocessors	14:29
lardman	I don't know anything about the IVA1	14:29
lardman	nor what it was in - 770?	14:30
AStorm	heh	14:30
AStorm	so, on IVA2, our work should be to,write gallium core?	14:30
lardman	certainly IVA2+ is now the DSP + hw accel coprocessors	14:30
AStorm	:P	14:30
AStorm	take their softpipe, implement it on that arm, profit?	14:31
lardman	There's no way to get it working	14:31
lardman	Anyway there's some work underway to try OpenGL on the DSP	14:32
lardman	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dspgl/	14:32
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* lardman wonders if mesa will remain in place when the omap3 hw acceleration comes along		14:35
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lardman	ah, the license doesn't restrict it, no need for source to be provided	14:36
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StsN800	qwerty12, could you get libhildon and see if it has hildon-pannable-area?	14:39
StsN800	.h	14:39
qwerty12	StsN800, it does	14:40
StsN800	woo!	14:40
yerga	someone with gstreamer experience can see if this is cool: http://yerga.net/files/camerabinvideo.c?	14:41
yerga	lines 66-70, specially	14:41
yerga	it is in the gstreamer-plugins-camera package	14:41
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lardman	interesting	14:44
lardman	afaicr audio will be handled on the ARM, though video was to be on the DSP	14:44
lardman	theora on the DSP...? I wonder	14:44
lardman	anyway, good spot :)	14:45
bombas	me newbie to maemo, can i use ubuntu for maemo development? in maemo docs i see hse kf Debian all the places	14:48
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lardman	bombas: I use a computer with Ubuntu installed for development	14:48
lardman	bombas: you'll install scratchbox which has a mini debian environment inside it	14:49
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bombas	lardman: thanks! I have installed scratchbox and I could get emulator up too!	14:49
lardman	:)	14:50
StsN800	oh boy, no n8x0 fremantle	14:51
lardman	StsN800: we can do our own	14:51
lardman	that is the idea	14:51
StsN800	it seems feasible to port many things though	14:51
Stskeeps	but we will need hands, definately	14:52
lardman	indeed	14:52
X-Fade	And we need to think of a place where to put the ports?	14:53
lardman	X-Fade: do you happen to know if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for the Cortex?	14:53
lardman	If not, I hope most stuff should run, and the number of ports will be reasonably small	14:53
X-Fade	lardman: I have no idea. File should tell you?	14:54
lardman	yeah, I'll look when I get home	14:54
lardman	just commenting really	14:54
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lardman	am out this afternoon, I expect to see a working Fremantle image for the N8x0 by this evening when I come back ;)	14:56
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X-Fade	We can push all source packages into diablo extras-devel and see? :D	14:56
StsN800	technically mer is alre	14:56
StsN800	ady using fm packages	14:57
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StsN800	is there anything resembling the new interface in sdk?	15:03
t_s_o	whats going on? sdk release?!	15:05
StsN800	alpha yea	15:05
t_s_o	anything really interesting in there so far?	15:06
kulve	kernel	15:07
kulve	with default config for the hw	15:07
StsN800	any interesting hints?	15:07
yerga	StsN800, not much about the UI, except the dialogs are movable	15:08
StsN800	k	15:08
StsN800	if hildon lib doesnt change and h-d, fremantle is sure a possibility on n8x0, wo shiny effects	15:10
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GAN800	StsN800, no UI changes for alphas yet, but expect some later. :)	15:20
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yerga	The kinetic scroll is there, at least in the filechooser widget.	15:21
RST38h	An alpha SDK release? Gimme gimme	15:22
RST38h	Where is it? =)	15:22
bombas	I have just installed 4.1.1 SDK, I see only settings app in emulator. doesn't it comes with existing applications ? like atleast browser?	15:24
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RST38h	bombas: this is correct, it does not come with apps	15:24
bombas	and i need a account to download those application builds?	15:25
RST38h	I have never tried it, but my guess is that you can install them with apt-get	15:26
RST38h	No need to have an account	15:26
bombas	RST38h: thanks. maemo comes with mozilla browser right? can you tell me command to install that browser in my emulator?	15:28
andrewfblack	well I'm going to be selling my Tablet now	15:29
RST38h	Are we gonna have an online auction then? Right here? =)	15:29
RST38h	bombas: No - never has a need for it	15:30
RST38h	s/has/had/	15:30
infobot	RST38h meant: bombas: No - never had a need for it	15:30
andrewfblack	lol nope not on irc, but looks like Maemo 5 isn't coming to old tablets so it wont be long and n810 will be out dated and have no software for them like 770s	15:30
GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, pfft	15:31
GeneralAntilles	Officially, perhaps.	15:31
GeneralAntilles	But it's certainly no dead-end	15:31
GeneralAntilles	not like it was for the 770.	15:31
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GeneralAntilles	Fremantle is WAY more open than any previous release	15:31
GeneralAntilles	which makes a community backport much more feasible.	15:31
andrewfblack	Maybe	15:32
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, re #2285. Fuck 'em. ;) If they can't manage to pull their own heads out of their asses, and there's much better community options available, then there's no sense fighting it.	15:32
GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, it's a little early to be making snap decisions, anyway.	15:32
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, hehe	15:32
andrewfblack	yeah I kinda knew this was coming anyways	15:32
andrewfblack	maybe this will put some fire under people to get some of the other OS ports running better	15:33
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GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, that's not really the sustainable direction	15:33
GeneralAntilles	If you want to see the way forward for OMAP2 tablets and Fremantle, watch Mer. :)	15:33
RST38h	cell stuff is already in the alpha	15:34
RST38h	hehe	15:34
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RST38h	Mesa is there. This means that things should THEORETICALLY work on N8x0 without 3D acceleration	15:39
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t_s_o	dog slow and battery eating?	15:41
RST38h	yep, but can't do much about that	15:42
t_s_o	true	15:43
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t_s_o	hmm, no more evolution data server...	15:47
RST38h	Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?	15:48
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AStorm	nobody knows...	15:51
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, dunno, though the comments on m-vo's blog would seem to lead to that conclusion at some point.	15:51
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RST38h	General: That would be a great relief	15:52
RST38h	(and at least I will no longer be the only idiot pestering Jukka with bug reports)	15:52
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, it might be a point worth seeking clarification on on -developers	15:53
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X-Fade	Current SDK is still using sb1. It can be installed next to the diablo devkit.	15:58
lcuk	does the sdk include 3d emulation and stuff? :D	15:58
X-Fade	But sb2 and sdk+ are planned.	15:58
RST38h	lcuk: it appears to do so	15:59
RST38h	libmesa is there	15:59
lcuk	ooooh i bet it will be bob for me in vmware ;)	15:59
* lcuk will have to purchase a new machine or rethink everything, shall see later		15:59
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RST38h	I guess you mean N900 by "new machine"?	16:00
lcuk	if thats whats needed - i need a dev-env which isnt brainf*cked	16:00
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lcuk	scratchbox within linux vmware within windows is bad personally for me so ill have to find a better solution	16:01
RST38h	lcuk: I made a partition and placed Ubuntu there	16:01
RST38h	X-Fade: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/ is missing. Any quick way to fix it?	16:02
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lcuk	RST38h, ill have to have a rejig anyway, now might be the time ill look when im not at work	16:03
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X-Fade	RST38h: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/	16:12
X-Fade	Somehow it is 4-0-x now, I'll notify the documentation guys.	16:12
RST38h	X-Fade: thanks!	16:14
RST38h	they probably added one for diablo as 4-1-x	16:14
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X-Fade	RST38h: Maybe they are working on it, but now it isn't there at least.	16:15
X-Fade	RST38h: I'll ping them.	16:15
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vs93taras	Are there any other IT related channels?	16:16
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RST38h	Yes/	16:17
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X-Fade	RST38h: Can you chime in on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3803 ?	16:22
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RST38h	a moment	16:31
RST38h	X-Fade: I spent some time redesigning the docs page a while ago	16:32
RST38h	Sadly, my design went nowhere but you are free to use it if you want	16:32
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X-Fade	RST38h: I think we can use that with the redesign effort that is going on.	16:35
X-Fade	RST38h: dneary is coordinating that.	16:35
RST38h	I commented on the bug	16:36
Stskeeps	regarding sb1 vs sb2, they're going for sb2, dropping sb1 eventually	16:36
Stskeeps	it's the future, so	16:37
RST38h	X-Fade: Check Documentation part at http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html	16:37
RST38h	X-Fade: I suggest having a page like this for each major release, starting with 4.1/4.0 and doing older ones as time and resources allow	16:38
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: we should probably sit down at some point and work out how to get Mer off its feet with community and such :P	16:42
GAN800	Sounds like a plan.	16:43
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Stskeeps	why does maemo.org news when trying to access the actual news, redirect to maemo.org?	16:44
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bergie	Stskeeps: some news items have invalid URLs, I'd imagine	16:45
bergie	can you give me an example?	16:45
Stskeeps	bergie: this one is the SDK one..	16:45
Stskeeps	First Maemo 5 SDK release targeting platform developers	16:45
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bergie	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ works for me	16:45
Stskeeps	in my firefox the link points to maemo.org	16:45
Stskeeps	and i'm talking about http://maemo.org where it happens	16:46
Stskeeps	under "news"	16:46
Stskeeps	not announcements :P	16:46
bergie	ah yes, I can see that	16:46
bergie	interesting is that in the sidebar the link is correct	16:46
bergie	I guess the issue is with local items, because that social news thing was intended to deal with remotely-fetched items ;-)	16:47
Stskeeps	GAN800: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle has been updated?	16:47
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Stskeeps	with quite a lot of info	16:48
Stskeeps	hah. "OHM introduced as a replacement for dsme and mce components which are responsible for device state and mode control. "	16:48
Stskeeps	i knew it	16:48
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Stskeeps	eh. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928	16:50
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RST38h	Sts: priceless	16:52
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RST38h	Sts: I especially liked the "WONTFIX for Diablo" part	16:54
Stskeeps	yes.. my "eh" was supposed to be a "wtf"	16:54
x29a	is this a security feature?	16:54
RST38h	Sts: Well, it seems to send WiFi SPI driver into frenzy, judging from comments	16:55
RST38h	Sts: Pretty low level stuff	16:55
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Stskeeps	true	16:55
Stskeeps	may be solvable with stlc45xx.	16:55
* Stskeeps grabs libhildon		16:56
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RST38h	BusinessWeek is running a story asserting that the 'US is Losing the Global Cyberwar.' <eek>	16:58
suihkulokki	RST38h: who's winning this time? chinese, soviets, arabs or just generic terrorists?	17:01
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RST38h	suihkulokki: Most experts claim it to be russians, but osama is still pretty much in fashion these days	17:01
RST38h	Ah, the Evil Chinese too!	17:02
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Knowledge	Any of you cats and kittens in here know what VDR is? and if so, have you streamed from vdr to a tablet?....if so......how?	17:03
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RST38h	UPNP.	17:04
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: is it possible to get a kernel event when the device is connected to anything by USB?	17:07
Stskeeps	so we can pop up a menu asking if it should be USB networking, USB storage, etc?	17:07
qwerty12	Stskeeps, no idea, let me check	17:07
Stskeeps	it could be kickass to have.	17:08
Stskeeps	kinda like on the n95	17:08
qwerty12	yeah, that's what came to my mind ;)	17:08
qwerty12	Stskeeps, straight away on system bus: http://pastebin.com/d5f2e835d	17:09
Stskeeps	interesting	17:09
Stskeeps	we so have to make that.	17:09
Stskeeps	:P	17:09
qwerty12	shouldn't be hard to make a udev rule, i'll mess around	17:09
* Stskeeps sends libhildon to the presses		17:11
wiza	will fremantle work on n810?	17:12
Stskeeps	wiza: they are not going to officially support it, atleast	17:12
Stskeeps	but there will probably be backports	17:13
Stskeeps	or community distribution of the maemo platform (mer)	17:13
wiza	k	17:13
wiza	hopefully	17:13
Stskeeps	if you'd like to see it happen, join in the effort :P	17:14
wiza	when I have time I'll might, my non-PHP skills are little rusty	17:15
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Stskeeps	GAN800: "multimedia@maemo.org" too bw	17:16
Stskeeps	btw	17:16
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pupnik	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_be_a_giant_dick,_so_we_can_ban_you	17:22
qwerty12	lol	17:22
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Stskeeps	lo meiz	17:23
Meiz_n810	Hi	17:23
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: when armel builder finishes up, we have a new libhildon from fremantle alpha sdk for you to play with	17:23
Meiz_n810	ok	17:23
Stskeeps	our work has just become even more import now that nokia won't target fremantle on n8x0s ..	17:23
Stskeeps	important	17:23
Meiz_n810	ok	17:24
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, what package is using that?	17:24
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: gupnp i think i saw it in, sec	17:24
Meiz_n810	i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-support and now mer does not boot anymore :(	17:24
Stskeeps	gupnp-av	17:25
Meiz_n810	is stops on "starting network manager" then reboots	17:25
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: yeah.. it isn't trivial	17:25
Stskeeps	i'll work on it a tad more once i've had my cup of coffee	17:25
Stskeeps	and done some menial tasks for school	17:25
Meiz_n810	k	17:26
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: when wlan works, i'll use Mer all the time, exept when i'm at school	17:26
Meiz_n810	i was able to use moblins matchbox keyboard thing	17:27
Stskeeps	we'll have hildon import method soon enough to	17:27
Stskeeps	o	17:27
Meiz_n810	it can be started from statusbar and it supports many languages	17:27
Stskeeps	input	17:27
Stskeeps	:P	17:27
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, let's have a little informal get together to discussion direction and organization	17:27
GeneralAntilles	then lead up to a more formal meeting with Nokia in a month or two.	17:27
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: yeah, - not today though :P	17:28
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, right. :P	17:28
Stskeeps	need to get myself an overview of the sdk first	17:28
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, think you can jump in on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247798 at some point?	17:28
qwerty12	Stskeeps, fuck udev but this code launches osso-xterm when usb cable is plugged in: http://slexy.org/view/s2Hu7tQJ89	17:28
Stskeeps	qwerty12: we so have to do something with that	17:29
Stskeeps	and when did you start coding python?	17:29
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: yeah, my plan was to wait for the feelings to get a little higher in that thread and then jump in	17:30
qwerty12	Stskeeps, I learnt a bit a while back for headset-control, that's just a modified version of that. But I only learnt a little bit so it's kinda forgotten now	17:30
Stskeeps	qwerty12: i guess combined with powerlaunch we could do something nice	17:30
qwerty12	hehe, yeah	17:31
Meiz_n810	i'm still not able to get wifi working in android, userspace crashes when searching for networks...	17:34
Stskeeps	nod	17:35
* Stskeeps ponders how well Mer will work on 770s		17:37
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GeneralAntilles	Not well	17:37
GeneralAntilles	Maemo doesn't work well on 770s. :P	17:37
Stskeeps	hehe	17:37
GeneralAntilles	They're dog slow.	17:37
RST38h	Better suited for maemo.org webserver, indeed	17:37
Stskeeps	we'll see, r2d2rogers is porting ahead :)	17:37
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, sadly that joke is much less enjoyable now that maemo.org actually works.	17:38
RST38h	it is still slow enough at times. besides, you can now tell this joke about iTT =)	17:39
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Do we have a FAQ template for the wiki already?	17:39
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, no.	17:40
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I would like to make a FAQ for extras, but would like some help with the layout ;)	17:40
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ	17:41
* GeneralAntilles can't even give advice anymore without getting flamed. <_<		17:42
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Trolls?	17:42
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247795&postcount=6	17:42
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I have seen much worse :)	17:44
Stskeeps	can someone do apt-cache policy hildon-libs-l10n-mr for me in SDK?	17:44
Stskeeps	(i dont have it installed atm)	17:44
Stskeeps	fremantle SDK, that is	17:44
RST38h	General: people really hate "out of your depth" comments	17:44
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, oh, sure, but it's tiresome to get responses like that when you're just trying to pass on some advice. ;)	17:44
Stskeeps	interesting, python is part of SDK	17:45
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Any sign of other runtimes?	17:45
Stskeeps	hmm.. looking	17:46
Stskeeps	no vala sorry	17:46
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yerga	Stskeeps, there is hildon-libs-l10n-public and hildon-libs-l10n-public-mr0	17:48
Stskeeps	k	17:48
yerga	6.0+r6368 and 6.0, respectively	17:49
Stskeeps	let's see how much this new sdk breaks :P	17:50
yerga	I am just testing the new hildon widgets	17:51
Stskeeps	how are they?	17:51
yerga	hildon-pannable-area looks good	17:51
* GeneralAntilles wishes Reggie hadn't made the alpha release a news item.		17:52
Stskeeps	i'd love to see screenshots, as it'll take a while before i can start playing with them	17:52
GeneralAntilles	itT users are exactly the audience it's not intended for.	17:52
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: i just wish he would fix the cross-poster he's using.	17:52
yerga	Stskeeps, I am doing screenshots too	17:52
X-Fade	yerga: blog!	17:52
yerga	:), I will upload it to Share on Ovi then	17:53
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Stskeeps	and so it starts in .dk .. bundled asus eee and 3g subscription	17:53
Stskeeps	for less than a dollar	17:53
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Stskeeps	(subscription costs something obviously)	17:53
RST38h	yerga: any really interestnig screenshots btw?	17:53
RST38h	i.e. not just the empty screen but some new features? =)	17:53
RST38h	Sts: Lots of unsold EEEs and ASUS has to roll out new models for Christmas?	17:54
pupnik	acer one's keyboard is a bit better	17:54
Stskeeps	possibly	17:54
Stskeeps	wtf reggie. "A new revamped UI and a new media application framework dubbed "Ohm" "	17:55
yerga	RST38h, the screenshots tell little, it's better play with it	17:55
Stskeeps	that is -not- a media application framework	17:55
\|\|cw	Stskeeps: the 900?	17:56
Stskeeps	huh :P	17:56
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, do you want to correct him or should I? :P	17:57
Stskeeps	i did	17:57
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Stskeeps	that was just way too offensive for my tastes	17:57
Stskeeps	:P	17:57
RST38h	"Entire class fails computing exam by submitting in Word format"	17:57
* RST38h shakes in satanic laughter		17:57
Stskeeps	hah	17:57
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, [url=http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/]Open Hardware Manage[/url] :P	17:58
Stskeeps	RST38h: we had an algorithmics class.. the TA told us we could hand in, in any language.. so we took in everything ranging from COMAL to PSX basic..	17:59
Stskeeps	everyone was accepted, except for the guy who handed in in playstation basic, the TA thought that was pure shit language :P	17:59
Stskeeps	(.. that guy ended up as a phd student) :P	17:59
b1ackd3ath	any one get the new extended batt for the n810 and do you like it	18:00
RST38h	Sts: If I were your TA, I would just remember that. And wait, WAIT for a good opportunity to fail you all ho ho Ho HO HO	18:00
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, is it worth breaking up the "Implement new maemo.org look" task into several smaller tasks?	18:03
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, I committed just the big one because I wasn't certain of all the smaller pieces. ;)	18:03
timeless	hello world	18:03
timeless	what's the official name for the latest sdk? :)	18:04
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Stskeeps	fremantle alpha sdk? :P	18:04
GeneralAntilles	timeless, pre-alpha	18:04
Stskeeps	oh	18:04
Stskeeps	pre-alpha	18:04
GeneralAntilles	I think the alpha may still be coming in December.	18:05
Stskeeps	yeah, i'm waiting for OHM, and the release of legacy dsm :P	18:05
GeneralAntilles	How long overdue is that DSME code now? :\	18:05
Stskeeps	(they announced ohm atleast)	18:05
Stskeeps	quite	18:05
GeneralAntilles	The Summit was in September	18:06
GeneralAntilles	It was supposed to be available that Monday	18:06
GeneralAntilles	then 2 weeks after the Summit	18:06
GeneralAntilles	now we may never see it.	18:06
Stskeeps	i think they realised what it actually contained	18:06
timeless	not the pre alpha one	18:06
timeless	and i want the official name	18:06
timeless	the one for the product i could actually buy :)	18:06
Stskeeps	maemo 5.0? :P	18:06
timeless	i can't buy that :)	18:07
timeless	and i mean the sdk :)	18:07
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_prealpha_main/	18:07
timeless	this question isn't meant ot be that confusing	18:07
GeneralAntilles	Are you indexing the code now? :P	18:07
timeless	(it is a hard question once you start getting to the right product, but... you're not even in the right year!)	18:07
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timeless	i'm reviewing an update to the sdk docs	18:07
timeless	and the sdk can't figure out what to call it	18:07
timeless	(itself rather)	18:07
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GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand	18:08
GeneralAntilles	According to that	18:08
GeneralAntilles	the SDK is "Maemo SDK"	18:08
timeless	which means i figured i'd ask people who might actually use it	18:08
timeless	to see if they knew what it was called :)	18:08
qwerty12	Stskeeps, looks like initfs will indeed be done (as said many times before). Have you seen osso core config? ttyusb now runs cal-tool from the rootfs rather than chrooting to /mnt/initfs like in diablo	18:08
GeneralAntilles	So a specific release of the "Maemo SDK" would be the "Maemo 5 SDK"	18:08
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: how did you make the wifi work in deblet? Installing tablet-hw-n8x0-support just makes Mer unable to boot..	18:08
qwerty12	s/done/gone	18:08
timeless	alright	18:08
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timeless	i'd still rather you talked about 4 and not 5 :)	18:09
Stskeeps	qwerty12: no i did not yet	18:09
timeless	vaporware doesn't interest me	18:09
GeneralAntilles	timeless, well, it's certainly not the Maemo 4 SDK	18:09
GeneralAntilles	As that was released a year ago.	18:09
timeless	we're releasing an update to the doc for that	18:09
timeless	since i'm reviewing it now	18:09
Stskeeps	qwerty12: and noone says we can't have "boot to seperate partition" though :P	18:09
qwerty12	Stskeeps, hehe, I wonder how that will be managed... maybe we get to choose kernel command line on the fly :P	18:10
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: sorry, i'll have to get back to you on that, i'm way too information overloaded right now	18:10
Stskeeps	and way too little energy to deal with all of it :)	18:10
Stskeeps	i'll add it to my queue of things to do	18:10
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: :P	18:11
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: You did see this one right? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style	18:14
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, yes, which is what reminded me to ask about that. ;)	18:15
* timeless kiicks svn		18:15
X-Fade	I still need to find out what Reggie needs to have done for talk.	18:15
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, I'm just thinking it'd be easier to have 5 or 6 tasks and 4 of them end up completed by January than 1 task that ends up most of the way done but gets carried over. ;)	18:15
X-Fade	Yes, true.	18:16
GeneralAntilles	But, it's up to you.	18:16
X-Fade	Separate tasks is better.	18:16
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: how well does scrum work for you people in maemo.org?	18:17
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, I don't have enough background to make a judgement call on that one.	18:18
GeneralAntilles	I'd say it works pretty well	18:18
* timeless sighs		18:18
GeneralAntilles	but falls apart a bit when people fail to follow procedure	18:18
* timeless kicks something		18:18
Stskeeps	nod	18:18
GeneralAntilles	underreporting is a big issue	18:18
GeneralAntilles	particularly with people not directly involved with maemo.org	18:18
GeneralAntilles	Nemien folks and Nokians, etc.	18:19
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Stskeeps	microblogging could be a solution maybe to that	18:19
Khertan3	Hello !	18:19
Stskeeps	easier than logging into a wiki and editing	18:19
GeneralAntilles	I'd rather they spend an extra 2 minutes and have it all in one place.	18:20
* GeneralAntilles bails from the SDK thread for the time being.		18:20
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: one thing to prod nokia about, pushing SDK updates into stage svn	18:20
Stskeeps	the versions are damned out of sync atm	18:20
Stskeeps	stage svn/git/whatever :P	18:21
GeneralAntilles	I'm quite certain sjgadsby's ploy with breaking up the bug jar is pure karma whoring. :P	18:21
Khertan3	hum .... i think we will hear many whining this next week ....	18:21
GeneralAntilles	Khertan3, they love to whine.	18:21
Khertan3	like me	18:21
Khertan3	!=	18:21
Khertan3	:)	18:21
Knowledge	ahoy hoy people...I forgot I had asked a question in here haha	18:22
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Stskeeps	Khertan3: hehe, saw meiz's mer screenshots? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer , - it isn't that horridly difficult to get a hildon desktop going :)	18:22
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Stskeeps	so people shouldn't whine too loudly	18:23
Khertan3	nope i look	18:23
Stskeeps	Khertan3: you did the home* python applets?	18:23
Knowledge	General: I never noticed how slow the 770 is until you mentioned it yesterday....	18:24
Khertan3	Stskeeps: yep ? why ?	18:24
Stskeeps	Khertan3: we'll probably include those in Mer :)	18:24
Khertan3	héhé ...	18:24
Stskeeps	as they're open source and working nicely	18:25
Khertan3	if you have idea for other	18:25
Khertan3	i can do it too :)	18:25
Stskeeps	we'll have plenty coming up	18:25
Khertan3	stskeeps > do you have see hometools ?	18:25
Khertan3	:)	18:25
Stskeeps	yeah, think i saw a screenshot	18:25
Khertan3	http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot01_m.jpg	18:25
Khertan3	oups ... not this one	18:25
Stskeeps	you do status bar applets too btw?	18:26
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Khertan3	http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot00_m.jpg	18:26
Stskeeps	hehe, looks cool	18:26
X-Fade	Stskeeps: My guess is that a lot of things from stage will move to git.	18:26
Stskeeps	yeah	18:26
Khertan3	Stskeeps> nope i ven't done one yet ... but status bar should not be very difficult to do too	18:26
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Ferenc is setting that up now.	18:26
Stskeeps	lookin' forward to it	18:26
X-Fade	Stskeeps: And my guess is that you will see more active development there.	18:27
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: I deleted start-x things from rc.local, and started hildon-desktop as user, matchbox-w-m did not start...	18:28
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: yeah, it probably needs a bit of tinkering to work	18:30
Meiz_n810	k	18:30
Stskeeps	bbl	18:31
Meiz_n810	why is solca living in the other side of the earth?	18:31
Meiz_n810	:P	18:31
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timeless	gah, eds is annoying	18:34
* timeless wonders how many tagged versions of eds are in svn		18:34
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Khertan3	eds ? the none Evolution sort of Data but not a Server ?	18:36
disco_stu	Khertan2, you should not make the refreshing thhing noticeable	18:37
Khertan3	disco_stu ... hum... maybe	18:38
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* lcuk runs in sticks a "kick me" sign on Khertan3 and runs away again :P		18:39
Khertan3	lol	18:39
Khertan3	hi lcuk	18:39
disco_stu	ill probably hack it , to avoid that	18:39
Khertan3	héhé ... not so hard	18:39
lcuk	hiya, i really cant stop hope everything is going well with your rebuild	18:39
lcuk	cya later	18:40
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Khertan3	remove the set_label() in the def foreground before the call to the get_text	18:40
Khertan3	lcuk > this is going well ... but a bit slow	18:41
X-Fade	Props to bahram1 for noticing that he could edit his own karma score and making it 6000 ;)	18:41
* lcuk knows that feeling.		18:41
lcuk	oooh X-Fade can we all do it	18:41
X-Fade	lcuk: You could..	18:41
X-Fade	But not anymore ;)	18:42
lcuk	could i edit yours?	18:42
GeneralAntilles	Khertan3, if only your clones were real.	18:42
X-Fade	No, you could only edit your own score. Although it got reset each night.	18:42
GeneralAntilles	Be nice to put your stuff together as an on-device development suite.	18:42
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, who are we gonna con into building an autotester	18:43
lcuk	khertan doesnt need clones, he current uses 6 tablets at a time (i wont tell you how he manages it, but make sure you dont pick up his tablets)	18:43
GeneralAntilles	I wonder if Nokia's got anything internally. . . .	18:43
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: It really depends on what we want to test.	18:44
GeneralAntilles	Hehe, well, there's that.	18:44
GeneralAntilles	Maybe if we kindnap some users and make them test incoming software Clockwork Orange-style. . . .	18:45
Khertan3	GeneralAntilles > héhé ... yep my clone leak a good ia	18:45
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gnuton	sera	18:46
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Khertan3	ia == ai	18:46
AStorm	GeneralAntilles, s/kidnap/hire/ and I'm all for it	18:47
AStorm	:>	18:47
GeneralAntilles	AStorm, pfft	18:47
GeneralAntilles	We don't have the cash for that.	18:47
AStorm	pity :(	18:47
GeneralAntilles	It's slave labor or nothing. :P	18:47
GeneralAntilles	That said, we should set up an infrastructure for volunteer testing.	18:47
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RST38h	General: and incentives too	18:54
RST38h	or nobody will test	18:54
GAN800	RST38h, karma	18:55
yerga	The promised screenshots: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets	18:55
Khertan3	? ...	18:56
Khertan3	really ?	18:56
Khertan3	i was disapointed !	18:56
Khertan3	i'm disapointed !	18:57
Stskeeps	Khertan3: unthemed	18:57
Khertan3	specially by this one : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11969	18:57
yerga	Khertan3, they are simple examples	18:57
yerga	I think there some widgets not updated yet.	18:57
Stskeeps	oh, finger vs stylus, neat	18:57
Stskeeps	yerga: is it intentional all the dialogs are in the bottom?	18:58
yerga	Stskeeps, they are put there automatically	18:58
yerga	but you can move it	18:58
Stskeeps	interesting	18:58
Khertan3	http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11968	18:58
yerga	This is nice: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978	18:59
Stskeeps	yerga: thanks, will be interesting to try on mer	18:59
yerga	with multiple selections	18:59
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derf	Being able to move dialogs is already a big improvement.	19:00
Khertan3	yerga: does there is inline editing with : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978	19:00
Khertan3	?	19:00
Khertan3	derf: or not	19:00
yerga	Khertan3, no it's static not editable	19:00
qwerty12	derf, It can be already be done now (albeit being a hack)	19:01
Khertan3	yerga > snifff	19:01
Stskeeps	remember this is -pre alpha- sdk :P	19:01
* Khertan3 start thinking that all this kinetic things will be mainly done the next device with a better touch feeling		19:02
yerga	Khertan3, but there is other pannable are with a treeview	19:02
yerga	it could be editable	19:02
derf	qwerty12: Or I could just rewrite all the code myself, but I have better things to do with my time.	19:02
Khertan3	yerga > i already do it with treeview :) this is why i ask as it seems to be a easier widget to use	19:03
yerga	Khertan3, yeah it looks better than the treeview	19:03
yerga	this has a treeview: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11980	19:03
yerga	with gestures ;)	19:04
Khertan3	but to be honest, i can t have much feeling about this widget without reading the api :)	19:04
Khertan3	and a theming :)	19:04
Khertan3	http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot54_m.jpg <- this is a treeview	19:05
Khertan3	an other one -> : http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.mcalendar1_m.jpg	19:05
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yerga	Khertan3, looks nice the new UI	19:06
Khertan3	this is not the new one :)	19:06
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Khertan3	i thinking of more things for the new one	19:07
Khertan3	like a real week view	19:07
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Khertan3	and month display	19:07
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Khertan3	moving tool bar on the left, right or bottom	19:07
Khertan3	a question about Maemo5	19:08
Khertan3	if it ll use omap3 ... this means that application should be specifically compiled for omap3 and omap2 to be compatible right ?	19:08
Khertan3	so we will need separate repository for omap3 and omap2 based device right ?	19:09
disco_stu	dont think so	19:09
disco_stu	both are arm	19:09
disco_stu	architecture is what matters	19:10
Khertan3	but doesn't support the same instructions if i understand well	19:10
qwerty12	I don't think so, you only use processor specific instructions if you specify them iirc	19:10
Khertan3	yep	19:11
Khertan3	ok the two have the same arch ... arm11	19:13
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: i'm breaking Mer repo right now	19:13
disco_stu	day one booting from sd and everything normal	19:13
Khertan3	Mer repo ?	19:14
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Meizirkki	Stskeeps: phew, imager just finished downloading :P	19:14
Stskeeps	hehe	19:14
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: i can't promise it will work :P	19:14
Meizirkki	Repo Imager or what?	19:15
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Stskeeps	as in, the setup you just got	19:15
Meizirkki	What do you mean?	19:15
Stskeeps	if you just finished dling i don't know if you got new libhildon or not :)	19:15
Meizirkki	new one will break something?	19:16
Stskeeps	yup	19:16
Stskeeps	so we'll see	19:17
* Stskeeps is waiting for some chinese rolls to cook, as he's kinda out of balance wrt food today :P		19:18
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qwerty12	Meizirkki, hey, your Mer screenies aren't showing :/	19:25
Meizirkki	?	19:25
Meizirkki	at itT	19:26
Meizirkki	?	19:26
qwerty12	yep	19:26
Meizirkki	arrgh	19:26
Meizirkki	worked for me	19:26
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Stskeeps	picasaweb works a bit oddly	19:28
* Stskeeps groans at fremantle sdk		19:28
Meizirkki	picasaweb has shitty copy-control :(	19:29
sp3000	well that's odd	19:31
sp3000	clicking on the most recent news item heading on maemo.org goes to ... maemo.org	19:31
Stskeeps	sp3000: hinted that to bergie earlier	19:31
disco_stu	i hate the stupid microb stealing focus ffrom other appz	19:31
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sp3000	oh, the read more link does too, heh	19:32
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Stskeeps	okay, someone seriously needs to explain to me the sense of the -mr, -public, etc packages.	19:34
Stskeeps	and how the heck they layed out	19:35
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* Stskeeps ponders if he should simply start all over since they didn't bother to keep svn updated anyway		19:41
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sp3000	Stskeeps: meh, I'll file a bug	19:47
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* sp3000 can't map Stskeeps to an email address, so nyah, no cc		19:48
Stskeeps	er, what bug? :P	19:48
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lardman	evening	19:49
Stskeeps	evening	19:49
lardman	where's my Fremantle n810 image then? ;)	19:49
* Stskeeps hands lardman a bunch of l10n packages to play with.		19:50
qwerty12	We had a fight over who was getting it and it went into the fire :/	19:50
sp3000	oh, yes I can	19:50
lardman	damn! :)	19:50
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* sp3000 was using a bogus profile url		19:50
sp3000	Stskeeps: just the bad linkage	19:50
Stskeeps	ah	19:50
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: should I hold off on trying a build then?	19:53
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: yeah, just right now	19:53
r2d2rogers	k	19:53
Stskeeps	there were more changes than i expected	19:53
r2d2rogers	one less excuse to put off work ;0	19:53
Stskeeps	feel free to check if you strip all the hildon packages and such from mer-foundation to see if you can get ubuntu going, always a good exersise	19:56
r2d2rogers	cool	19:57
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Stskeeps	https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations	20:07
lardman	anyone checked to see if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for Cortex?	20:07
Stskeeps	not yet	20:07
Stskeeps	i'm busy unbreaking mer :P	20:07
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lcuk	lardman, have you got 5.0 up and running yet	20:14
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lardman	lcuk: no, been out all day	20:18
lcuk	ditto	20:18
lardman	lcuk: would like to do so asap though	20:18
lardman	I need to look at Mer and how to build images the Debian way	20:18
Meizirkki	Stskeeps: can you get mer repo up soon?	20:18
lcuk	yeah im gonna see how it sits inside the vmware thingy and if its not comfortable ill drag out the craptop	20:18
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: it will take a while.. why?	20:19
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Stskeeps	Meizirkki: i do have a zfs snapshot of the old repo though	20:19
Stskeeps	what do you need from it?	20:19
Meizirkki	I wanna install h-i-m etc. :P	20:19
Stskeeps	ah	20:19
Stskeeps	sec	20:19
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Meizirkki	no	20:19
Meizirkki	you don't need to give me it	20:20
Stskeeps	ok	20:20
Stskeeps	:P	20:20
Meizirkki	i can live without :P	20:20
Stskeeps	it is running, the repo	20:20
Stskeeps	just fyi	20:20
Meizirkki	ok	20:20
Stskeeps	it is just not that installable from scratch	20:20
Meizirkki	why?	20:20
Stskeeps	cos all the l10n packages are wacked to hell	20:20
Stskeeps	:P	20:20
Meizirkki	k	20:21
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lardman	solca: ping	20:21
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* Jaffa signs off - since he's been ill for the last 5 days and it doesn't look like I'll be doing computer time for a while		20:26
qwerty12	:/	20:27
lardman	get well soon!	20:27
Jaffa	ta	20:27
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Stskeeps	indeed, get well soon dude	20:27
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lardman	Stskeeps: where are the debootstrap files you guys use?	20:33
Stskeeps	lardman: well since im pushing in fremantle sdk stuff atm, you can't bootstrap :P but, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/imager/files	20:34
Stskeeps	i have a tar.gz but cant find the url just right now	20:35
lardman	np	20:35
Stskeeps	it	20:35
Stskeeps	's generally meant to be possible to target all sorts of diff configurations	20:35
lardman	you're sticking in the Fremantle stuff which is what I wanted to do	20:36
Stskeeps	well right now an upgraded libhildon is nice	20:36
Stskeeps	:P	20:36
Meizirkki	tar.gz it somewhere around bsd.tspre.org	20:36
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Meizirkki	Stskeeps: it works now?	20:36
Stskeeps	not yet.. :P	20:36
Stskeeps	be patient	20:36
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Meizirkki	This libhildon i have, must be installed with --force-overwite	20:42
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Meizirkki	*write	20:42
Stskeeps	mm	20:42
Meizirkki	is this the new one?	20:42
Stskeeps	no clue	20:43
Stskeeps	version?	20:43
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Meizirkki	oh	20:43
Meizirkki	it's not	20:43
Meizirkki	2.0.1-1ubuntu7	20:43
Meizirkki	ubuntu instead of mer so...	20:44
Stskeeps	ah	20:44
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Stskeeps	interesting, libopenmax has a vorbis decoder	20:50
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* lcuk throws a snowball @ Stskeeps		20:52
Meizirkki	lcuk: where did you get snow? :P	20:53
lcuk	forward thinking, i put some in the freezer	20:53
Meizirkki	:P	20:54
lcuk	now, i have a lot i was meant to do yesterday but then also so much thats been announced today	20:54
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Knowledge	is it possible to run mplayer on 07HE?	21:01
lcuk	try it	21:01
Knowledge	because unless I'm retarded, it's not working (playing back files)	21:01
lcuk	what would break if i setup a diablo machine to point at the sdk toolkit and did an update	21:01
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Stskeeps	lcuk: boom? :P	21:08
lcuk	heh didnt think anything else	21:08
lardman	lcuk: let us know :)	21:12
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qwerty12_N800	lcuk, on the device? if in blue pill mode, nothing bad but if you are in red pill, as long as you know what you're updating, you should be fine	21:14
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lardman	I guess some initfs tweaking will be needed too	21:15
* lardman wonders what changes have been made to the omap2 code in the new kernel		21:15
yerga	I am installing fremantle glib/gtk/hildon in Diablo ;)	21:15
lcuk	its ok ill leave it for now, im gonna try and get scratchbox running on the craptop, but since the 3d on my current 810 is better im not sure it will be worth it	21:15
Stskeeps	lardman: well solca has a 2.6.28 running so	21:15
lardman	and Fremantle is 2.6.27?	21:15
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Stskeeps	2.6.28rc6	21:16
Stskeeps	:P	21:16
lardman	ah ok	21:16
lcuk	i might actually just start looking at clutter. they havent used tidy have they	21:16
Stskeeps	i am actually surprised they ported hildon desktop from 4 to 5	21:17
Stskeeps	that's a nice gesture	21:17
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lardman	dsme is gone	21:18
Stskeeps	yeah, i know	21:18
Stskeeps	OHM will replace it, and replace mce too	21:18
Stskeeps	what i said all the time	21:18
lardman	no ohm in the release though, yet	21:19
* lcuk does the lotus position and starts meditating		21:19
lcuk	ohhhhhHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm	21:20
qwerty12_N800	Sound constipated :p	21:20
Stskeeps	lardman: it'll come they said	21:20
lardman	yep	21:20
lardman	just thinking in the interim, keep dsme I guess	21:20
Stskeeps	nod	21:21
lcuk	let me get this straight: the ui is built ontop of clutter, not built directly on ogl	21:21
Stskeeps	lcuk: sec	21:21
lardman	lcuk: gtk with clutter components, those use opengl	21:21
lardman	something like that	21:21
Stskeeps	lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle is full now	21:21
lardman	mm, food time :)	21:21
lardman	bbiab	21:21
lcuk	yes, i realise that, but what i mean is a client app does not directly touch ogl	21:22
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Stskeeps	https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations <- so who starts making OSS translations? :>	21:28
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Stskeeps	andre__: suggestion for statistic.. how many % of bugs were against open source components	21:28
Stskeeps	could be useful in the future	21:29
qwerty12_N800	i'll do east london and lcuk can do northerner	21:29
andre__	for that i'd have to know exactly what components are not open source :-)	21:29
andre__	but i agree, can be useful for argumentations	21:29
Stskeeps	"dude, fix it yourself"? ;>	21:29
andre__	hey, that's my standard answer on any report :-P	21:30
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, you need ar eal londoner to do the east london translation, not some cheeky young upstart from the north	21:30
qwerty12_N800	grr :p	21:30
timeless	why did bug jar 34 hit planet twice?	21:30
andre__	because it's split now into platform and desktop	21:31
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lcuk	timeless, twice as many bugs?	21:33
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sp3000	mmm this talk of bugs is making me hungry	21:35
qwerty12_N800	~give sp3000 snails	21:36
* infobot gives snails to sp3000		21:36
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RST38h	umgh	21:38
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Stskeeps	mm?	21:38
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RST38h	m!	21:39
* Stskeeps sets hildon-desktop to compile		21:40
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* Meiz_n810 tries to make wlan work in Mer (again)		21:48
RST38h	Are there any naming conventions for desktop/statusbar plugins?	21:51
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: steps needed: cx3110x.ko (from deblet), and umac.ko from initfs, firmware 3826.arm in the firmware directory, chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal or something, ifconfig wlan0 up	21:52
Stskeeps	i -think-	21:52
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: i installed cx3110x-module, cx3110x-umac-module, udev, wlan-firmware, tablet-wireless from deblet repo... should make it?	21:53
Meiz_n810	wlan-cal is needed?	21:53
Stskeeps	hmm.	21:56
Stskeeps	what does dmesg say and ifconfig -a	21:56
Meiz_n810	i'm in chroot now...	21:56
Stskeeps	ah	21:56
Stskeeps	try simply to ifconfig wlan0 up, and /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart	21:56
Stskeeps	in mer	21:56
Stskeeps	there's a trick in deblet, network manager is patched towards liking cx3110x better	21:57
Meiz_n810	what about /etc/ini.d/tablet-wireless?	21:57
Stskeeps	do a trick.. edit /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless and remove the # in front of ifconfig wlan0 up	21:58
Stskeeps	instead of everything i just said	21:58
Stskeeps	if nm-applet doesnt activate it at first, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart	22:00
Meiz_n810	ok	22:01
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kebomix_	Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request-ebooks Here :	22:02
kebomix_	http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/	22:02
Stskeeps	kebomix_: .. again, this is a publically logged channel, you just showed your IP.. do you really want a bunch of copyright fanatics after you?	22:02
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solca	lardman: pong	22:04
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Stskeeps	lo solca	22:05
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Stskeeps	evening qgi1	22:07
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solca	Stskeeps: :P	22:08
lcuk	hiya qgi1, come to hand out cigars :P	22:08
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solca	he was pinging me just 1 hour ago	22:08
solca	hopefully is not night at the other end of the world	22:08
solca	:)	22:08
qgi1	hi there, reading the logs...	22:08
Meiz_n810	hi solca :)	22:09
solca	Meiz_n810: hi!	22:09
solca	I read your post about the gui rebooting	22:09
Meiz_n810	Wifi almost worked, no more file not founds	22:09
solca	have you access to your nit now?	22:09
Meiz_n810	i am chatting from it	22:09
solca	hmm so you don't wanna reboot?	22:10
solca	hehe...	22:10
* Stskeeps thinks Meiz is getting a thrill from all this testing of new stuff :P		22:10
Meiz_n810	solca: i can, but then i have to chat from my cellphone	22:11
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lardman	solca: was going to ask if you'd looked at the new kernel code	22:11
solca	lardman: what new code?	22:11
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lardman	hi qgi1	22:11
Stskeeps	solca: fremantle pre-alpha sdk came out today	22:11
Stskeeps	with updated kernel code	22:11
solca	Meiz_n810: ok just pushing you hehe but no prob	22:11
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Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: wlan_cal failed when booting Mer :(	22:12
lardman	solca: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/	22:12
solca	Stskeeps: do you know if it ships with wifi code?	22:12
Stskeeps	solca: didn't look at it yet	22:12
solca	Stskeeps: no :(	22:12
Stskeeps	i've been buried in l10n for the most of the evening	22:12
qgi1	X-Fade: you wer wondering about Modest	22:12
Meiz_n810	solca: can you help me to get wlan working in android?	22:13
solca	Meiz_n810: sure	22:13
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: hmm. is /mnt/initfs mounted?	22:13
lardman	qgi1: same here	22:13
qgi1	there are many things that appear as "Removed" in the comparison table but this is just because they are still not there in this first SDK	22:13
qgi1	modest will be in fremantle	22:13
solca	lardman: will take a look if they have something useful	22:13
Meiz_n810	solca: wifi goes on but search fails.. any ideas? :P	22:13
lardman	solca: :)	22:13
derf	j0!	22:14
solca	Meiz_n810: hmm probably wpa_supplicant	22:14
solca	Meiz_n810: if you could run wpa_cli	22:15
Meiz_n810	solca: saw pastebin from logcat?	22:15
solca	and do a 'scan' command	22:15
solca	followed by 'scan_results'	22:15
solca	Meiz_n810: I'dont know why but pastebin is unaccessible from here right now	22:15
Meiz_n810	k	22:15
solca	Meiz_n810: will try again	22:16
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solca	Meiz_n810: no, I still can't access pastebin	22:17
Meiz_n810	ok	22:17
Meiz_n810	solca: i cannot you computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P	22:17
Meiz_n810	s/you/use/	22:17
infobot	Meiz_n810 meant: solca: i cannot use computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P	22:17
solca	Meiz_n810: ok no problem, will investigate what is going on and maybe you can try tommorows (for you) new userspace	22:18
Meiz_n810	okay :P	22:18
Meiz_n810	if you only could see the pastebin :/	22:19
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solca	Meiz_n810: can you paste the same thing to ther paste service?	22:19
solca	s/ther/other	22:19
Meiz_n810	hmm, i'll try	22:19
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solca	wow Maemo5 specs some impressive changes	22:23
Stskeeps	yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing it in action	22:24
Stskeeps	or right now, how libhildon works on n8x0 :P :P	22:24
dMaggot	hello guys, I'm using the eclipse esbox plugin to code maemo applications, but when I try to run things it throws me the following error on dbus: process 20075: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory	22:24
solca	will it work on N8x0?	22:24
Stskeeps	so far it compiles..	22:24
dMaggot	I'd pastebin the whole log but my connection is too slow right now	22:25
solca	Stskeeps: so mer was from maemo5 from the beginnings?	22:25
Stskeeps	solca: i've taken most of the stuff from svn, yeah	22:25
Meiz_n810	run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again	22:25
solca	dMaggot: pasting text is not bandwith intensive :P	22:25
Stskeeps	they did stump me a bit with the huge leap in libhildon though	22:25
Stskeeps	but i guess it was needed for marketing purposes	22:25
Stskeeps	solca: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets <- example widgets (not themed)	22:26
Meiz_n810	dMaggot: run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again	22:26
dMaggot	solca: I can't reach www.pastebin.com	22:26
solca	Stskeeps: that looks pretty nice	22:26
Stskeeps	dMaggot: rafb.net/paste	22:26
solca	dMaggot: me too...	22:27
qgi1	Stskeeps: we get a lot of heat about any "new UI"	22:27
dMaggot	solca: haha sorry I thought it was my connection XD	22:27
Stskeeps	qgi1: hehe, i mostly care for functionality, which is what the example widgets show	22:27
Stskeeps	and those look interesting	22:27
qgi1	even if all eyes are turned on S60 where the big numbers happen, if we would show Hildon+Clutter as they are we would probably generate 2 effects	22:27
dMaggot	Meiz_n810: thanks, that did the job	22:28
Meiz_n810	no prob :P	22:28
qgi1	1) a lot of expectation around this humble alpha, Ari Jaaksi & our developers getting more questions and noise	22:28
qgi1	2) comments about all the things that still don't work fine that we know (and you need the time of those devs to polish)	22:29
Stskeeps	nod	22:29
Stskeeps	not theming isn't a fault, it's an pre-alpha afterall	22:29
qgi1	this is why it was decided to release that later, when the whole thing is more solid and convincing at first sight	22:29
qgi1	as a side effect, and as you have noted, the Diablo UI is now ported to Fremantle	22:29
Stskeeps	yup, much grateful	22:30
qgi1	(you can invite mostly Kimmo Hamalainen to a beer when you find him) :)	22:30
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Stskeeps	i'll remember that at next summit ;)	22:30
solca	Stskeeps: and do you know what booting mechanics will the use now?	22:31
Stskeeps	solca: so far it points to no initfs	22:31
Stskeeps	solca: besides that we don't know much	22:31
Stskeeps	we'll have to wait for the .. alpha sdk :)	22:31
solca	Stskeeps: hopefully they ship with kexec enabled kernel	22:32
Stskeeps	solca: your selector will definately be of good use on n8x0 atleast	22:32
solca	Stskeeps: do you know if they plan to release a maemo5 backport to n8x0?	22:33
solca	or thats why Mer exists?	22:33
Stskeeps	solca: no, that was announced today there won't be official one, but nokia seems to be highly interested in helping out with backport efforts	22:33
qgi1	no initfs (but don't ask me more because I simply don't know) But asking Eero Tamminen in maemo-developers should be enough to know more since there are no secret there	22:33
Stskeeps	(there's a larger thread on it on iTT)	22:33
Stskeeps	qgi1: yeah, think i read it in a bugreport somewhere	22:34
qgi1	me too, but can't recall which one Stskeeps	22:34
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: wlan-cal: http://rafb.net/p/qvV2Uj73.html	22:34
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: is that inside Mer? ..	22:34
timeless	anyone here have skype?	22:34
Meiz_n810	thats mer in chroot, but it's exatcly same what i saw in fb-console	22:35
* timeless is looking for some vulnteer to chase a bug		22:35
timeless	hi quim	22:35
qgi1	Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745	22:35
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: mer in chroot definately wont work with that :P	22:35
timeless	quim: i guess i responded too late for you	22:35
solca	Stskeeps: how you plan to cope with clutter which seems need hw gl accel?	22:35
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: the same thing happens when i boot into it	22:35
qgi1	timeless: since the answer was right it was not too late since I have done the change already - thanks!	22:35
Stskeeps	solca: so far maemo sw has been wonderful and ported diablo UI to maemo 5 :)	22:36
timeless	oh cool	22:36
Stskeeps	so we can do without the flashy stuff right now	22:36
Stskeeps	solca: you should give input on the bug qgil posted about kexec and your successes	22:36
solca	Stskeeps: diablo UI to a maemo 5 env or maemo 5 gui in sw rendering mode?	22:36
Stskeeps	solca: .. let me just phrase this correctly, sec :)	22:37
solca	qgi1: where is the bug report?	22:37
Stskeeps	solca: [21:34] <qgi1> Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745	22:37
solca	thx	22:37
Stskeeps	solca: <= diablo UI is hildon-desktop, >= fremantle is probably something else	22:37
Stskeeps	but diablo UI works in fremantle, it seems, so	22:38
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solca	Stskeeps: ok I get it, have you tried fremantle in sw rendering mode (if possible)	22:39
Stskeeps	solca: that part of fremantle isn't out yet, so	22:39
Stskeeps	the new UI isn't in this pre-alpha so	22:39
Stskeeps	can't test	22:39
Stskeeps	i'm happy if we get a diablo on steroids, really	22:40
Stskeeps	get/make	22:40
qgi1	yerga had some fun with the widgets...	22:40
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: so, what's the command i should add to /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless, that it would mount initfs better	22:40
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: it really wonders me why it isn't mounted..	22:41
qgi1	yerga was probably one of the few Maemo hackers on holiday today	22:41
* lcuk cries at using a mouse to simulate touch		22:41
Stskeeps	look for /tmp/dsmesock or something	22:41
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: it is, because wlan-cal starts	22:41
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: that's true	22:41
Meiz_n810	there is just nothing in /mnt/initfs/sys	22:41
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: i'll hack at it a bit when i have hildon going again	22:42
Stskeeps	hope that's alright for now	22:42
Meiz_n810	ok	22:42
solca	Meiz_n810: /sys is a ramfs which needs to be mounted	22:42
Stskeeps	yeah, and the script should mount it for us	22:42
Meiz_n810	tablet-wireless mounts it	22:42
Stskeeps	unless it's not mounted yet when tablet-wireless in run	22:42
Meiz_n810	i'll keep trying.. :)	22:42
Stskeeps	make sure /tmp/dsmesock exists	22:42
Meiz_n810	k	22:42
qgi1	RST38h: "Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?"	22:43
qgi1	not at this point, but if we can really get it in shape......	22:43
qgi1	a problem here is that we use the very same SB1 based SDK for internal development and change it at this point of the release is pretty risky	22:44
qgi1	even if the SDK+ based on SB2 is in good shape	22:44
qgi1	but I'd definitely recommend you to use it when you start getting serious in Fremantle development	22:44
qgi1	feedback is welcome!	22:45
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lcuk	qgi1, :P you killed the chan, insert 1euro to continue. :D	22:47
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Stskeeps	qgi1: so far i'm personally satisfied with the pre-alpha :)	22:48
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ShadowJK	hm, why this hate on initfs?	22:48
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timeless	a pain for maintenance/upgrades	22:48
timeless	and inconsistency w/ the rest of the world	22:49
Stskeeps	but absolutely lovable when things go wrong	22:49
ShadowJK	Stskeeps, yes, precisely	22:49
qwerty12_N800	initfs is the shit. tbh, a lot of maemo is inconsistent...	22:49
qgi1	Stskeeps: the first wave of feedback seems to be mostly good	22:49
Stskeeps	either that or kernel should be able to boot through usb cable from some app :P	22:50
Stskeeps	or from mmc	22:50
qgi1	looking for more comments from upstream developers, or those knowing well the upstream components	22:50
qgi1	since this pre-alpha is partially for them also	22:50
solca	Stskeeps: I update the bug report, kexec should be included in next Nokia kernels	22:51
Stskeeps	solca: alright, let's see if we get any response :P	22:52
* Stskeeps waits on hildon-control-panel building		22:53
Stskeeps	so need to get sb2 going using m-vo's thoughts..	22:53
lardman	qwerty12_N800: did you get GMP to compile?	22:54
lardman	qwerty12_N800: I saw this: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-November/000218.html and tried downgrading to that version, but same error	22:54
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qwerty12_N800	lardman, don't think I did	22:54
Khertan_n810	Hello !	22:54
lcuk	yo! khertan	22:54
lardman	hey khertan	22:54
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Stskeeps	wb meiz	22:55
Meiz_n810	no luck :(	22:55
lcuk	Khertan_n810, quick q, how are you gonna test and dev on device? are we both gonna have to carry desktops on the train with us	22:56
Stskeeps	alright	22:56
Khertan_n810	gnié ?	22:56
Khertan_n810	i dev on device ? why do you think we will need to carry desktop ?	22:57
lardman	qwerty12_N800: bug #2465	22:58
lcuk	tsk, yes you work on your device dont you? or have you moved onto your laptop now	22:58
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qwerty12_N800	lardman, will check in a min..	22:58
Khertan_n810	nope still on n810 :)	22:58
Khertan_n810	i don t have any laptop	22:58
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: it said something about blocks and sizes in the middle of failedmessages	22:59
lcuk	just like me :)	22:59
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: k, so HAL	22:59
Stskeeps	was it still dsmesock problem?	22:59
Meiz_n810	dsmesock exists	22:59
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Meiz_n810	same problem what i pasted, but withsome block size messages	23:00
Khertan_n810	lcuk> why this question ?	23:00
lardman	qwerty12_N800: looks like there's a work-around anyway	23:00
Stskeeps	k	23:00
lardman	qwerty12_N800: will test in a mo, if this version fails...	23:00
lcuk	cos i wanna play with new toys	23:00
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Khertan_n810	which toys ?	23:02
qgi1	Stskeeps & GeneralAntilles , about DSME and Ohm I honestly think the only reason for delays are the deliveries they owe to the Fremantle program	23:02
qwerty12_N800	lardman, cool, can't wait to see your qcalculate port ;P	23:02
Khertan_n810	sony vaio ux are great	23:02
Stskeeps	qgi1: hehe, i figured as much	23:02
qgi1	kernel ans system software teams are working at 200% these weeks	23:02
Stskeeps	i'm looking forward to it :)	23:03
Khertan_n810	hi qgil	23:03
qgi1	allo messir	23:03
qgi1	er	23:03
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qgi1	(my rotten French)	23:03
qgi1	GeneralAntilles "I think the alpha may still be coming in December."	23:04
Khertan_n810	héhé	23:04
qgi1	nah, most probably a next load will come after New Year	23:04
lardman	qwerty12_N800: going to see if giac/xcas will work this time too	23:06
qgi1	Soumya (she doesn't drink beer but you can invite her to any fresh juice) is the first one willing to have the alpha in place since then the process of automatic weekly releases can start: more releases and less work for her team	23:07
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konttori_	ah nice. we have published the alpha sdk. good!	23:10
Khertan_n810	:)	23:10
konttori_	by the way, tracker will also receive a new version in the upstream that will be synced with the maemo version	23:11
Khertan_n810	i ll look at it tomorrow	23:11
konttori_	it will be 0.6.9.x series	23:11
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Stskeeps	solca: with 770 you will run into not having wifi (so far)..	23:19
solca	Stskeeps: somebody is porting stlc45xx to 770 on the mailing list	23:20
Stskeeps	mm	23:20
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solca	Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2008-November/000058.html	23:21
Stskeeps	yeah, i knwo	23:22
Stskeeps	just that it isnt here here and now :)	23:22
solca	Stskeeps: right, running android on 770 would be overkill IMO	23:23
Stskeeps	yeah.. we'll see how well even mer runs :P	23:23
Stskeeps	probably murders it horribly	23:24
Stskeeps	we did kill one 770 in porting deblet	23:24
solca	Stskeeps: define kill, brick it?	23:24
Stskeeps	well it was indirect..	23:24
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Stskeeps	guy wired up his own usb power	23:24
Stskeeps	and got it a bit wrong .. :)	23:24
Stskeeps	so, kill	23:25
Stskeeps	:P	23:25
solca	Stskeeps: casualties kills hehe	23:25
Stskeeps	at least it's not hosting companies like with my previous open source project	23:25
Stskeeps	they seemed to go bankrupt/close right after they donated us web space	23:25
solca	hehe and what you end doing, relocating your project?	23:26
Stskeeps	yep. and appreciating backups.	23:26
* solca is feeling an indirect...		23:27
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* solca is exploring the new SDK kernel		23:29
Stskeeps	anything interesting?	23:29
solca	not so far	23:29
Stskeeps	nothing wifi related i presume	23:29
Stskeeps	?	23:29
* Meiz_n810 is re-installing Mer (Surprise!)		23:29
qgi1	http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/08/maemo-5-os-gets-pre-alpha-release-specs-beyond-your-wildest-ima/ got the multimedia framework called "Ohm"...	23:30
Meiz_n810	there was something fucked up in the rootf	23:30
Meiz_n810	s	23:30
Stskeeps	qgi1: yeah.. i pointed that out to Reggie	23:30
Stskeeps	it's a good name for a multimedia framework, though	23:30
* timeless ponders		23:30
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timeless	so, the maemo sdk suggests i can deduct stuff from make	23:30
Stskeeps	but also for a power management framework, as it actually is :P	23:30
* timeless wants to deduct 200hours from make		23:31
timeless	(just for this week)	23:31
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: .. repo still in flux, may break, etc	23:32
Stskeeps	:P	23:32
Stskeeps	.. probably will break since it's still recompiling hildon-desktop to work with the new files	23:33
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: that does't matter :P	23:33
Stskeeps	ok :P	23:33
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: it will be compiled before i get that far	23:33
Stskeeps	came to your senses and made a tar.gz copy? :P	23:33
Stskeeps	hehe	23:34
Stskeeps	true	23:34
Stskeeps	though i wouldn't bet on it	23:34
Stskeeps	:P	23:34
Meiz_n810	tar.gz copy?	23:34
Meiz_n810	of the rootfs?	23:34
Stskeeps	yeah	23:34
Stskeeps	so you dont have to reinstall all over all the time	23:34
Meiz_n810	i'll think about it... :P	23:34
qgi1	ok, it's been a long day - enjoy Fremantle!	23:35
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Marzec	greetings	23:37
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Stskeeps	evening	23:37
Marzec	quick question: is there a way to increase the cache of the media player?	23:37
Stskeeps	got your tablet resurrected?	23:37
Marzec	yes works perfectly fine thanks to all the helpful souls in this channel	23:38
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Marzec	the mplayer port seems to not work with mms so im stuck with the gstreamer based media player which sucks at streaming due to a to small cache i guess	23:40
solca	Stskeeps: nothing interesting there, anyway will make a kernel and see how it behaves with n810	23:41
Stskeeps	k	23:41
Marzec	google doesn't give any hints so i was hoping someone in here has a trick up his sleeves	23:41
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solca	Stskeeps: on the other side could be interesting know if Nokia plans to use the mac80211 with their new proprietary drivers (if any)	23:42
solca	or if it will ship with open wifi?	23:42
Stskeeps	solca: is there really any other choice? :P	23:42
solca	Stskeeps: sure, just code a proprietary drivers that just export wireless extension API	23:43
Stskeeps	mm	23:43
* suihkulokki thinks solca is not looking very closely		23:43
solca	suihkulokki: please point me in the right direction :P	23:44
* suihkulokki points all around the diff.gz file :P		23:45
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solca	suihkulokki: my bad... thx!!	23:45
Stskeeps	oh, ubifs, neat	23:46
Stskeeps	more confirmation it's called rx51.. rx51_defconfig	23:46
solca	hmm rx51 hardware	23:47
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solca	rx51: omap34xx based	23:48
Stskeeps	wl12xx..	23:48
solca	wl12xx = mac80211	23:49
Stskeeps	ah	23:49
Stskeeps	Import Imagination PowerVR services kernel mode tree.. hmm	23:49
solca	wl12xx uses mac80211 neat!!	23:49
lardman	is that an open chipset?	23:49
lardman	or the same as we have atm?	23:50
Stskeeps	WL1251	23:50
Stskeeps	TI chipset?	23:50
Stskeeps	" OMAP: Add audio endpoint and route to FM TX chip in Nokia RX51"	23:50
Stskeeps	interesting	23:50
lardman	hmm, FM output?	23:51
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Stskeeps	seems so	23:51
suihkulokki	like solca said, nothing interesting there, move along :P	23:51
lardman	;)	23:52
solca	suihkulokki: :P yea, it even pack some n8x0 fixes	23:52
Stskeeps	RX51: Enable leds-twl4030-vibra and led-triggers in	23:52
lardman	solca: that's interesting	23:52
Stskeeps	RX51: enable the CMT speech driver <- .. no idea what that is	23:53
lardman	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?DCMP=WTBU&HQS=ProductBulletin+OT+twl4030&contentId=4634&templateId=6123	23:53
lardman	can drive vibration driver	23:53
Stskeeps	* I2C: add support for lis302dl accelometer driver	23:56
Stskeeps	oo <3	23:56
lardman	:)	23:56
Stskeeps	i'm going to hug someone from nokia soon	23:56
`0660	\o/	23:57
Stskeeps	+ * Add support for "audio -" (KEY_F8) and "audio +" (KEY_F7) keys.?	23:57
solca	si4713 v4l2 radio transmitter ?	23:57
solca	rx51 hwmon, finally sane monitoring	23:59
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