IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-12-08

Meiz_n810Stskeeps: gnome-look.org00:00
GeneralAntillesThey have stuff in 800x48000:00
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disco_stui guess booting from sd makes swap slower00:05
Stskeepsdo it on the external SD? :P00:05
disco_stuyeah could be00:05
l7you could try placing the swap partition on a different card than the one you boot from00:07
Stskeepsm-vo: think i'll (or get someone to) do some experiments with that line of thought in your post, since native building on a qemu arm is a bit of a drag atm :)00:07
l7not sure if that will increase performance though00:07
l7or maybe build a small RAID array out of SD cards and connect it via USB ;)00:08
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l7 looks neat00:16
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marzeci couldn't find an answer on the net for my problem so i want to try my luck here00:19
Stskeepstry us :P00:19
marzecfor some reason the seamless software update does not work on my device ( n810, diablo 30-2 )00:19
marzecso i figured i'd simply use the flasher provided by nokia00:19
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marzechowever, the flasher does not recognize the device when i connect it to my pc ( win xp, sp 2 )=00:20
marzecor rather, i'd notices a new device, tries to install drivers and fails00:20
infobotfrom memory, flashing is
timelessum, i don't suppose the seamoless software update had a log indicating why it failed :)00:20
marzecyes, i searched the net00:21
Stskeepstry to follow the instructions in there00:21
marzeci did so00:21
GeneralAntillestimeless, it does, more or less, in the Application Manager's menu.00:21
marzeci probably messed up something while was doing some usb related developement on the device00:21
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timelessmarzec: it'd be nice if you checked the application manager log first00:24
marzeci'm doing so atm, just a second00:24
marzecwhen checking it in the application manager i only have a single entry saying hildon application manager 2.1.1500:24
marzecwhen doing an apt-get update on the cli apt does not seem to be able to connect to the diablo repository00:25
timelessi don't suppose you poisoned dns at some point00:25
marzechm, normal serving and pinging works though00:26
marzecdeb diablo free non-free00:26
marzecdeb-src diablo free non-free00:26
marzecthat's my sources list00:26
timelesseither by adding a package to do it, or changing the spelling00:26
l7marzec: this is related to window's funky usb connection right?00:26
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marzecl7, yes, when i try the flasher on win xp00:26
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l7you might try either using safe mode and seeing if the flasher can see your tablet00:27
l7or go into device manager / computer manager and clean up some of the usb settings00:27
GeneralAntilles is where updates come from00:27
marzecGeneralAntilles, i will add that to my repo list00:28
marzectimeless, that gave me a 404 but no dns error00:28
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marzecl7, i will check that. first i try the other source00:28
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GeneralAntillesmarzec, unless you forcibly removed it, it's there.00:28
GeneralAntillesIt's the only way system updates would show up.00:28
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marzeci probably forcably removed it00:29
Stskeepsisn't it in sources.list.d/hildon- instead of /etc/apt/sources.list? :P00:29
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yes.00:29
marzecIgn diablo Release.gpg00:31
marzecthat doesn't seem right00:31
m-vomarzec: that is probably for the empty nokia-certified repo.00:32
m-voapt-get helpfully omits parts of the URL.00:32
timelesshi m-vo00:33
marzecic, i should really learn a bit more about debian00:33
m-votimeless: hi! :)00:33
marzechere's the apt-get update output00:33
marzecif anybody could take the time to check00:33
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timelesswhat brings you out in the open?00:33
m-vomarzec: well, this stuff right here is a bit obscure.00:33
m-vomarzec: look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d00:33
m-vonote the ".d"00:33
marzec/etc/apt/sources.list.d # cat hildon-application-manager.list00:34
marzecdeb diablo free non-free00:34
marzecthat's the only file in there and the only line in the file00:35
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m-voHmm, how did this go again on Diablo... I keep forgetting...00:36
m-vomarzec: Did you try the Catalogue dialog in the AM UI?00:36
m-voMaybe it is just disabled..00:36
marzecthe catalogue shows all three entries, 2 from the source.list and the other one from the hildon file00:37
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marzecthat is deb and deb src for diablo free / non free and the extras repository00:37
marzechowever, i can not edit the diablo repositories in the ui00:38
marzecso i can not check wheter they are deactivated00:38
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marzeci can do so for the extras repository00:38
m-voNo "Nokia System Software Updates" entry?00:38
thphow can i set my user icon?00:38
GeneralAntillesthp, edit your account00:39
GeneralAntillesthp, you may have to click save, then it'll lead you to a page with a bunch of checkboxes00:39
GeneralAntillesIt's really obnoxious and roundabout and I need to file a bug about it. . . .00:39
m-vomarzec: try this one:
marzecm-vo, checking00:40
thpGeneralAntilles: awesome! thanks :) that worked00:40
m-voErr, add "deb ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list00:40
marzecthought so :)00:40
m-vo/etc/apt/sources.list.s/hildon- is overwritten by the AM.00:40
GeneralAntillesdiablo-2 wont get you the updates for 30-600:40
thpGeneralAntilles: do you know if this will automatically update my icon too?00:40
GeneralAntillesthp, yes, they're the same.00:40
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thpthanks :)00:41
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m-voGeneralAntilles: no?  Whats in diablo-2 now?  Nothing?00:41
marzecwonderfull that got me the 36-5 update00:41
marzectrying to install it00:41
m-voAha! :-)00:41
GeneralAntillesDoes it?00:42
m-vomarzec: uhh, I'm nervous...00:42
marzecm-vo, thanks a lot00:42
GeneralAntillesDid Nokia actually populate the latest repo with the latest packages?00:42
m-voYes, yes, we fixed that.  Stupd oversight.00:42
marzeclibhildonfm2 is missing00:42
marzeci can't install the update00:42
marzecoh well00:42
GeneralAntillesOh, thank goodness, one less thing for me to bitch about about SSU. ;)00:42
m-voHmm, did you mess with your system?00:43
marzecthat's why i wanted to flash it via usb00:43
marzecwhich does not work00:43
marzecbut i think i have taken enough of your time for now. i'll try it at my company on monday00:43
m-volet's try to fix it, marzec.00:43
marzecwell if you have the time i'd be grateful00:44
m-voLet's see. :-)00:44
m-voI assume you feel at home in a root shell, right?00:44
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marzecchecking apt-cache i can see that lib but only the debug version of it00:45
marzecwait there's the normal one too00:45
m-vowhat you want to do is "apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44" (if you have a N810).00:45
marzectrying to manually installing it00:45
m-vomarzec: the -dbg packages only contain the symbols, no actual library.00:45
m-vomarzec: you might want to disable all repos that are SDK related.00:45
marzecseems to work00:46
marzeci already tried that earlier that day00:46
marzecbut i was obviously missing the repo :)00:46
m-vowhat's apt-get trying to do?00:46
m-vomaybe it is removing half your system... :-/00:46
marzeci get's all the needed stuff from the nokia update site00:46
marzecthat would not be a problem00:46
marzeci backed up everything i need00:46
m-voOk... hmm , why didn't the AM do it itself, then... hmm....00:47
marzeci have no idea00:47
marzecbut it seems to update the os now00:47
marzecsaid it would update 87 packages00:47
marzecand they all seem to be core system packages00:47
marzecstuff like microb etc.00:47
m-voAM handles conflicts differently.  Apt-get remove anything?00:47
marzecdpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.00:48
marzecdpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH.00:48
marzecdpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH.00:48
marzecdpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.00:48
marzecdpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH.00:48
marzecNB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.00:48
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marzecE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)00:48
marzecsetting the paths and doing it again00:48
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marzecwhoa does not actually sound that good heh00:49
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GeneralAntillesI think I've had paths become unset after installing a package on an almost full system (and running out of space in the process)00:51
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marzecyes that could well be00:51
marzecmanually setting the paths did the trick though00:51
marzecit seems to update the system now00:51
GeneralAntillesSomewhat similar to:
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marzechm, yes sounds familiar00:53
marzeci installed gcc plus some x-headers on the device00:53
GeneralAntillesReally messed up evil things tend to happen when the system runs out of storage space00:53
marzecand that seemed to have fucked up a lot00:53
marzecyeah, all that dev stuff took a lot of space00:53
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GeneralAntillesI really hope the next tablet has a sane amount of built-in storage00:53
marzeci guess i had like 5mb left on the root fs at some point00:53
infobotsomebody said boot-sd was
GeneralAntillesIf you're doing on-device development, you'll definitely want to boot from an SD card.00:54
marzecoh, yes that makes sense :)00:54
* m-vo has a N810 with 8 GiB internal flash... 8-)00:54
marzecposer :)00:54
marzecok great, that seemed to work00:55
GAN800The ke-recv source with 768MB of swap on internal is interesting.00:55
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marzecoh shit00:55
marzeci shouldn't have sshd via putty and update with that...00:55
Stskeepsheard that one before00:56
GAN800The pitfalls of updating icd. ;)00:56
m-vomarzec: just hang in there it might come back.00:56
GAN800marzec, clearly an unsupported use-case. :p00:56
marzecnope cause it seems to have stopped the connectivity client00:56
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m-voyes, but it might bring it up again.00:57
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mavhcyou'd think it'd be eaiser to just symlink a part of the fs to an sd card00:57
m-vonot sure whether a lost netweork really stops apt-get.00:57
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GeneralAntillesmavhc, evil, evil, evil.00:58
marzecapt-get was already installing00:58
marzecand stopped the demon at some point00:58
marzecputty can't recover00:58
marzecput apt-get should execute to finish at least00:58
marzecso i guess i have a smoke and see what happens00:59
marzecthanks for all the great help, didn't expect that :) i'll be back to get on your nerves00:59
GeneralAntillesmavhc, what happens there is that when the battery gets low it shuts down the SD cards.00:59
GeneralAntillesIt also doubles the failure points00:59
GeneralAntillesIt's much cleaner and easier to just boot from SD.01:00
mavhcsame thing that happens as when it's all on SD?01:00
l7at what point does power to the SD card get shut off?01:00
l7i assume that means your system crashes if you're booted from SD01:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: it shuts down SD cards when battery gets too low? didn't know that01:02
Stskeepsthought it would die way before that :P01:02
ShadowJKmine seems to do a clean shutdown01:03
m-vomarzec: good luck!01:03
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GeneralAntillesl7, not an issue when you're booted from the card.01:04
GeneralAntillesIt shuts down cleanly as usual.01:04
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marzecif i remember correctly the n810 is not really multitasking is it?01:07
marzecthat is, background stuff like an ssh session will go to sleep if not active anymore01:07
marzecso my apt-get just hangs there doing nothing01:07
marzectop confirms it, apt-get and dpkg are running but at 0% cpu01:08
Stskeepsapt-get upgrade is not that suspectable to HUP01:09
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Stskeepsit will probably finish. it multitasks fully01:09
marzecuh some life signals from dpkg01:10
marzecwell, then i have to be patient i guess01:10
* GeneralAntilles wonders if he's likely to hear back from integration.01:12
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles, how much swap have you allocated?01:18
GeneralAntillesMore is likely to lead to performance degradation01:18
disco_stui was going to try 25601:19
GeneralAntillesNo point01:19
ShadowJKIt's too slow once it goes much over 128 in use anyway01:21
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marzechm, apt is no longer locked01:25
marzecthink it's save to reboot GeneralAntilles?01:25
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practisevoodoo_right, i know that kismet works on the n810 os2008 cause i have had it on here before but i didnt bookmark it and now i cant find it again, anyone got the url to the package saved?01:25
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infobotrumour has it, kismet is
marzecnice i think i just killed my n810...01:29
marzecnow i got the reboot syndrom...01:29
GeneralAntillesDisable the watchdog and try apt-get -f install or just wait and flash it.01:32
marzecwell the device just reboots at startup, around 80%. same as the stuff i read on the forums01:34
marzechow could i disable the watchdog in that situation?01:34
infobotfrom memory, flasher is
nikosapiso it seems my SD card got fried and now my terminal freezes for a long while when cd'ing and ls'ing :S01:35
nikosapithis is so bizzare01:35
t_s_otried to insert it in a pc and run a filesystem check?01:35
nikosapithe SD card?01:36
nikosapinone of my computers/card-readers will recognize it01:36
marzecGeneralAntilles, i tried that already a couple of times01:37
marzecthe problem is that the n810 does not wait for the flasher on startup but conitnues to boot01:37
GeneralAntillesmarzec, are you holding down the swap key with the USB plugged in?01:37
marzecthe home key, as described on the page01:38
GeneralAntillesand USB is plugged in?01:38
GeneralAntillesThe charger is unplugged?01:38
marzecof course01:38
marzeccheck and check01:38
marzecwindows xp, latest flasher from nokia site01:38
GeneralAntillesAre you SURE you're holding down the home key?01:38
GeneralAntillesand doing it while powering it on?01:38
marzecmy my... i mistook the home key as being the power on key01:39
marzeci'm very sorry01:39
marzecenglish is not my first language01:39
marzectake that as an excuse for stupidity...01:39
GeneralAntillesIt's the one on the front face with the two overlapping rectangles. ;)01:39
marzecay, i figured :p01:39
marzecdamn it01:39
GeneralAntillesI still need to dredge up some little pictures to show what the button is.01:39
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marzecthanks, works like a charme now...01:40
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marzecwow that was fast01:45
marzecfinally back to slashdot01:46
marzecthanks a lot folks and gn01:47
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zakkmIs there a http downloader for the nokia, some kind of gtk wget perhaps?01:58
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zakkmmicrob takes too much01:59
zakkmand the downloads like go ove reverything01:59
zakkmwas hoping for it to accept from a text file01:59
zakkmmy install is so screwed, wget wont install01:59
zakkmwhats that02:00
GeneralAntilleswget alternative02:00
zakkmis it gui or console based?02:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: odd statistics that could be nice to have - how many % of bug reports lay in OSS components02:01
GeneralAntilleszakkm, console02:02
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zakkmis it worth using 48mhz kernel if i boot from a 4gb class 6 SDHC ?02:02
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, coerce andre into including it in his reports. :P02:02
zakkmthinking of reflashing my nokia02:02
zakkmits gotten so messed02:02
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: alright, ta. is interesting from pov of how much community "could do on their own"02:03
ShadowJKmicrob has issues with downloading anyhow, it has a 5 sec network read timeout that it applies to downloads, so if you happen to be browsing something at the same time, or launching another app, microb might not be able to execute within that 5 second window, especially if there's some swapfile use too...02:03
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zakkmmine used to suddenly stop02:04
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zakkmi want to make a txt file on my pc of direct links, send txt over to nokia and use wget -c02:04
ShadowJKAnd resume doesn't work for me after upgrading to diablo02:04
zakkmand make it read from text file02:04
ShadowJK(the resume bug is in bugzilla, I checked)02:05
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zakkmcan anyone send me a guide to install 48mhz kernel please :)02:07
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l7why would you want a 48mhz kernel?  more battery life in exchange for less speed?02:12
zakkmi thought 48mhz = faster speed?02:12
zakkmi thought it was other way around02:12
GeneralAntillesl7, 48MHz effectively overclocks the SD interface02:14
GeneralAntillesI don't think there's an appreciable battery life impact.02:14
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zakkmi use cloned to SD..02:15
zakkmi boot off SD02:15
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zakkmwouldnt it help having that kernel then?02:15
l7i wonder if it would be possible to release an iso or distro of maemo with all these customizations02:15
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, the issue is less with what the community'd be able to fix and more with there being a lot of disincentive to fixing because it's A. unlikely that Nokia will even include the patch and B. we still don't have a very good idea of what Nokia's future plans are.02:16
GeneralAntillesTake the Fremantle transition as it stands now02:16
GeneralAntillesYeah, they could go patch city02:16
zakkmrelease a iso02:16
GeneralAntillesbut, particularly with UI stuff, we don't yet know what's going to happen02:16
zakkmGeneralAntilles: should i install 48mhz, ?02:16
l7ah neat02:16
GeneralAntilleszakkm, either your card will work with it or it wont02:16
GeneralAntillesI'd try it and see what happens02:17
zakkmif it does work02:17
zakkmis it worth it?02:17
zakkmmore pros than cons?02:17
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, Nokia's current setup just plain sucks for accepting patches.02:17
GeneralAntillesWe're so far behind the current development with the release we get. . . .02:17
GeneralAntilleszakkm, cons are: your card may not be compatible02:17
GeneralAntillespros are: you may get faster speeds02:18
zakkmbut l7 is talking about lower battery life02:18
zakkmi like my battery life02:18
GeneralAntillesThere's no battery life impact02:18
zakkmi know, but example02:18
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lcuko rly? mmm up the frequency and not effect battery life. magic02:19
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, what I mean is: the effect on battery life is trivial02:19
GeneralAntillesIt's another one of those race-to-idle situations, anyway.02:19
lcuk:D thatl do for me02:19
zakkmwhere would  i find the kernel i want?02:21
zakkmthanks and uhh is rotate like on and off?02:22
zakkmis it easily toggable?02:22
GeneralAntillesIt's totally transparent if you don't use it.02:22
zakkmi know but iwant to see what its like02:22
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GeneralAntillesThere are 4 little buttons in adv-backlight.02:23
zakkmYou can also manually install the kernel with rotation and 48Mhz patch or one WITHOUT the 48Mhz patch, as well as the patched xserver.02:24
zakkmdo i do the one with 48mhz, then install patched xserver?02:24
robinkThere were 3 android phones at the party I went to02:24
robinkI was the only person with a Nokia anything02:24
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: do i install kernel with rotation and 48mhz patch AND patched xserver02:28
zakkmdo i install kernel then patched xserver?02:28
zakkmsorry i screw up nokia stuff so much02:29
GeneralAntillesOpen the appropriate .intsall02:29
GeneralAntillesthen run apt-get install rotation-support-n80002:29
zakkmthe .install is just for rotation02:29
zakkmnot 48mhz?02:29
zakkmunable to install kernel-flasher-diablo02:30
GeneralAntillesthen run apt-get install rotation-support-n80002:31
disco_stuzakkm: i installed that thing and the 48mhz didnt come i guess02:31
zakkmi want 48mhz02:32
GeneralAntillesThen download and flash the 48MHz kernel when you're done.02:32
infobotwell, flasher is
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zakkmthink i should reclone to SD02:33
zakkmfrom internal02:33
zakkmand then do everything from beginning02:33
zakkmnice and clean02:33
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disco_stui want to install kde in my other card now02:36
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disco_stubut it seems the installer will use internal02:37
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lcuk:( a sad sad day.   good job im too poorly to want any02:53
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disco_stuzakkm: whats up dude03:02
zakkmtrying to install 48mhz kernel03:02
zakkmhaving no success03:02
disco_stui wanna try kde03:02
zakkmwhats stopping you??03:02
disco_stuthe thing is the installer "installs it" to the sd where you are booting03:03
disco_stui want to install in the other03:03
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zakkmswitch sd card slots, and run the installer from flash?03:04
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disco_stuno, the installer will always install to where you are bootin from03:05
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zakkmthats a bad installer03:06
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l7you could clone your boot partition03:06
lcukcant you boot into it and then install03:06
lcukso then it would know where you are03:07
disco_stui've already clonned03:08
disco_stubut i want kde in the other card03:08
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GeneralAntillesWhy do people insist on putting their replies ABOVE the quoted text on itT?03:22
GeneralAntillesI mean, it's one thing in email where most clients position your cursor there anyway03:22
GeneralAntillesbut you have to ACTIVELY reposition the quote block and your cursor to reply above the quoted text in forums. <_<03:23
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lcukgan i think its because of the default tiny little edit window - i know it can be made bigger but the setting is not persistant03:25
GeneralAntillesYou need a real browser. ;)03:25
GeneralAntillesI can resize the text boxes in mine.03:25
lcuki can in itt03:26
lcukbut the default is too small03:26
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have a problem with it.03:26
lcukand your real browser, where does it store this data03:26
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't store it03:26
GeneralAntillesYou just drag a little tab in the bottom right corner to resize the box03:26
lcukso you have to resize every time you use it03:26
GeneralAntillesJust like any window03:26
GeneralAntillesMeh, 90% of the time I don't03:27
GeneralAntillesBecause it's really plenty of space03:27
lcukon itt tin the top right theres clickers for bigger smaller03:27
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know.03:27
GeneralAntillesEither way, I don't really buy that argument.03:27
GeneralAntillesIt automatically places your cursor in the right place03:27
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lcuktis personal observation - tbh most of the time a full block quote of the previous comment is not required anyway03:28
GeneralAntillesWell, yeah, that's the other place they tend to fail.03:28
GeneralAntillesBut one issue at a time. ;)03:28
lcukheh yeah03:28
lcuki cant shake this horrid head and bleugh feeling, had a big brazilian meal last night and ive suffered all day03:29
lcukim off back to bed03:29
pupnikcheers lcuk03:30
pupnikwell good rest then03:32
lcukyeah dude, catch up with you another time03:33
pupnik<- makes some rice and turkey breast and stir-fry vegetables03:33
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zakkmhow come i cant install kernel-diablo-flasher on nokia?03:49
zakkmthe deb package03:49
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zakkmwhat does Failed writing body mean03:58
zakkmim trying to do rotation from maemo-mini-curl03:58
bef0rdmaybe not enough free space to save the files04:00
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zakkmgot cnflict problem now04:00
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zakkmcould anyone help me get 48mhz kernel?04:15
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zakkmis it safe to uninstall osso-software-version-rx3404:22
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bef0rdI *think* so, but that will leave you without SSU updates04:23
GeneralAntilleszakkm, jott's package installs everything you need. . . .04:24
bef0rdThere is a package provided by jott that replaces it, and let you do whatever you were trying to do, and it also let you uses SSU04:24
zakkmjott's package?04:25
zakkmit wont let me install that04:25
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zakkmi dont need ssu updates?04:25
GeneralAntillesDid you apt-get install rotation-support-n800 like I told you to?04:25
zakkmbui get the flash and reboot04:25
zakkmreading blog now04:25
zakkmahh itt04:26
zakkmi think im good now :)04:27
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: i did clone to sd again like 30min ago, and hildon desktop still takes 24mb according to load-applet04:28
zakkm"unable to install kernel-diablo-flasher. incompatible application package."04:28
zakkmreading and flashing kernel image, image sucessfully flashed04:29
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GeneralAntillesAh, good times:
GeneralAntilles"jargon and developing"04:41
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RST38hmoo all07:33
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bombasHello Maemo!!07:37
r2d2rogersMyrtti: baaa07:37
r2d2rogersMyrtti: "three singing pigs go Laaa laa laa."07:37
r2d2rogersoh wait... sorry my wife did bedtime stories tonight ;)07:38
Myrttir2d2rogers: don't make me laugh like that, I've slept two hours and almost snorted coffee out my nose07:38
bombasE: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.07:38
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r2d2rogersMyrtti: to the baa or the pigs?07:38
bombasplease help whats needs to done!07:38
r2d2rogersbombas: Sorry I haven't managed to get scratcbox working lately, I'm gonna be working more with Mer and my 77007:40
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bombasr2d2rogers: thanks for the reply. So is there any old builds/tools i can install for maemo setup?07:44
r2d2rogersbombas: what are you wanting to do?07:46
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infobotmethinks development is
r2d2rogersfor the iPAQ07:48
GeneralAntillesr2d2rogers, infobot is in several channels07:50
GeneralAntilles~maemo-dev is
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles07:51
r2d2rogersthank you GeneralAntilles07:51
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r2d2rogersbombas: does that help  you any? ^^^07:51
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l7~remove xterm-scrollbar07:56
l7~removing xterm-scrollbar07:56
l7hrm, what did i name that thing?07:56
l7~removing osso-scrollbar07:57
GeneralAntillesApparently nothing sensible. :P07:57
GeneralAntillesBut it has to be all one word07:58
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RST38hmoo, General07:59
GeneralAntillesHi, RST38h.07:59
infoboti heard remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0"07:59
l7ah thanks :)08:00
l7is there a way to get an index from infobot?08:00
GeneralAntillesNot that I know of08:01
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bombasr2d2rogers: I want to setup maemo SDK. while doing that, i was getting some errors and solutions along, i kept fixing them till I stuck at this error "E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.". is there a alternative way?08:13
r2d2rogersThat I don't know, sorry08:14
bombasr2d2rogers: ok no issues. thanks!08:15
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: is the imager you gave me about 2 days ago outdated?08:38
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* Meiz_n810 has to re-install Mer again...08:47
r2d2rogersMeiz_n810: I'm trying now on 77008:47
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Meiz_n810good luck :)08:48
Meiz_n810This time i'll try ubuntu-MID packages08:49
infobotfrom memory, mer is , , , , (short summary)08:51
l7hmm, too bad it's not Maemo Reloaded08:52
GeneralAntillesToo many horrible, horrible Matrix associations.08:53
MyrttiFollow The White Bunny08:53
l7Follow The White Bunny?08:54
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Myrttiwell, bunnies are so much cuter than plain rabbits09:03
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GeneralAntillesComment #3 is kind of a sad thought:
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SargunWhen is the new Nokia coming!?09:55
bergieSargun: I don't think there is any definitive information about that :-)09:56
* Proteous cries09:57
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bergiethough, if the new nokia, whenever it comes out, is anyway similar to N97, I'd be happy10:05
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SheziHi, I want to know about File Manager metadata extraction.? How it extracts and where it stores the extracted metadata?A10:09
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Sheziis the trackerd daemon uses sqlite to store metadata information10:59
Sheziwhen the files are indexed10:59
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qwerty12m-vo, is there plans to bring back the diablo branch of h-a-m? is NOT a diablo branch and hence fails compiling under a diablo sdk. I would like to be able to do a "svn checkout" which had the real diablo h-a-m but instead I get a README telling me to go to gitorious to download the fremantle version. What gives?11:04
qwerty12Ahh, I'm being thick. Sorry,
qwerty12Be nice if that readme pointed directly there :)11:06
* aquatix gives qwerty12 a nice cup of coffee/tea11:06
aquatix(cross through what's not to your liking)11:06
qwerty12Thanks aquatix :D11:06
aquatixyw :)11:06
GeneralAntillesOuch. <_<
qwerty12s/Able/Abel/g :)11:07
qwerty12Now that I'm up; I may as well compile the latest h-a-m.11:08
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: can you upload latest imager tar.gz?11:16
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah, sec,
Stskeepsis the latest one11:21
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qwerty12ffs, git is a nice way to fucking piss you off11:22
glass_"but it's so fast"11:23
glass_"look at these stats"11:23
qwerty12it's so anal retentive11:23
w00twhat's up?11:25
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: thanks11:26
qwerty12All I want is the release_diablo branch/tree/whateverthefuckitiscalled and I keep getting the mainline. I've tried a shit ton of variations on the git command to no avail11:26
Stskeepsgit clone <url> <branch>?11:27
Stskeeps.. dunno11:27
qwerty12Stskeeps, I've tried that11:27
qwerty12git just makes a new fucking folder and gets mainline11:27
qwerty12at least with fucking svn, all that entails is /branches/2.1.x11:28
pupnik"Bank robbery is a dilletantish trade.  Real pros found a bank." - Berthold Brecht11:31
AStormqwerty12, can't use git properly, you?11:32
qwerty12AStorm, yep11:32
AStormthe only thing it needs is partial pull11:32
qwerty12Tell me more :)11:32
AStormI don't know how to make a shallow clone :)11:33
AStormabout what?11:33
qwerty12Heh, nothing, thanks for the pointer :)11:33
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AStormqwerty12, ah, you want to pull something#branch11:34
AStormor use git remote to set the branch11:34
GeneralAntillesHrm, what's responsible for the "unplug your wallwart or bring about the end of mankind" banner?11:34
GeneralAntillesIs that the battery applet or one of the daemons?11:34
qwerty12AStorm, Ah, thanks!11:34
Stskeepsbattery applet i think11:35
qwerty12yer, battery applet. You don't see it with advanced-power.11:35
qwerty12Plus, I changed the locales of the battery applet last time.11:35
GeneralAntillesThat's what I figured11:35
AStormadvanced-power? what's better about it?11:35
qwerty12AStorm, minus being made in python, it's way better. I'll get you a screenshit11:36
AStormbeing in python is not a minus :P11:36
qwerty12bollocks, kismet left my wifi unusable :/11:36
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AStormas python is already running for canolad11:36
lardmananything exciting happened today?11:37
qwerty12AStorm, depends, you can see the delay when tapping the battery icon11:37
qwerty12morning lardman11:37
w00tqwerty12: you get the whole repo, then you switch to the head you want11:37
w00t(partial pull would be nice, though, yes)11:37
qwerty12w00t, no, no it's all helpful to me, thanks11:37
AStormqwerty12, that's bad design11:37
AStormmy pygtk apps work ok11:37
AStormw/o lag11:37
AStorm(on tablet too)11:38
Mikhocould someone help? I suddenly started getting the error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/lib/' My library is in /usr/lib, not /usr/local/lib. Why is it searching in /usr/local ?11:38
lardmanMikho: how did you build it?11:39
Mikhowith autotools11:39
Mikhojust by typing "make" like always11:39
AStormor, some other lib has that in its .la file11:39
lardmanconfigure usually accepts a switch to tell it where the binaries & lib should do, often defults to /usr/local11:39
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lardmanah, we're talking about the linker though11:40
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lardmanI'll go back to sleep ;)11:40
Shezithe searching capability via Trackerd! Do Trackerd uses sqlite on its backend to store metadata information of files11:40
StskeepsShezi: we have no idea how tracker will work as the sdk is not out yet11:41
qwerty12AStorm, &
Shezibut how it was working before?11:41
Shezithe same in Ubuntu or Debian?11:41
GeneralAntillesShezi, you'd have to talk to upstream11:41
GeneralAntillesMaemo hasn't seen any Tracker yet. :)11:42
Mikhoit was working before. The library and the pc file are in correct locations in /usr/lib11:42
GeneralAntilleslol, I knew if ANYBODY was gonna use that theme it was definitely gonna be qwerty12. :P11:42
SheziGeneralAntilles, : According to Mikho, it was using trackerd before11:42
GeneralAntillesShezi, we're getting lines crossed here. :)11:43
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I tried it out yesterday :P, the clock design convinced me to keep it :P11:43
qwerty12Before that, I was using Titan11:43
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SheziMikho,  Trackerd , a demon which indexes files and extracts the metadata and stores them in a database11:43
SheziSearching is usually done through Trackerd11:44
AStormlike beagle?11:44
GeneralAntillesShezi, like I said, Maemo hasn't seen Tracker yet (it likely will very soon). For now, you'll need to talk to upstream.11:44
GeneralAntillesShezi, they're available on GimpNet on #tracker.11:45
Sheziall right11:45
Shezibut can you please tell me, how the searching worked in maemo...11:45
Shezisome libraries/plugins etc wat?11:46
Stskeepsclosed source daemon which noone liked11:47
Sheziaha, so do it has a name. or they never made it public11:47
Stskeepsmetalayer-crawler or something11:48
Shezibut it harvests only mediafiles metadata11:48
Sheziso what about emails, other files etc11:50
Stskeepsdon't think it really does that11:50
Stskeepswhich is why tracker would be an improvement11:50
qwerty12For any noobs like me who want the release_diablo branch of h-a-m : git clone git:// ; cd mainline/ ; git fetch ; git checkout --track -b release_diablo origin/release_diablo ; git pull11:50
qwerty12and that was a long pita to do11:51
AStormbtw, how do I disable the ctrl+e search?11:51
qwerty12AStorm, you may be able to do it with the bluetooth keyboard applet. If not, then you could enter gconf because there are shortcuts in there iirc11:51
* RST38h wonders loudly11:52
SheziAll right, so you think metalayer-crawler is responsible for emails, media files , phone book entry etc metadata11:52
Stskeepsdidn't say that.. :P11:52
RST38hno just media11:52
AStormqwerty12, where in gconf?11:52
Shezilol :)11:53
SheziRST38h, :) thanks11:53
Shezibut then i am still getting confused about the emails, phonebook, bookmarks etc , how their metadata is extracted though. If they are not using metalayer-crawler11:54
qwerty12AStorm, /apps/osso/keybindings11:54
RST38hTheir metadata is not currently extracted11:54
StskeepsShezi: manual search..11:54
Sheziaha right, thats also possible11:55
AStormqwerty12, howw do I get the nice icons on main screen?11:55
qwerty12AStorm, fiferboy's personal launcher11:55
qwerty12it's in extras11:56
SheziBut I think , phone book, emails and bookmark are using some plugins to extract the metadata, and then these metadata can be used by the search clients to find the files or its metadata11:56
Shezisorry , only files11:56
MikhoI don't understand... all other projects using the same library compile & link without problems11:56
AStormqwerty12, 5hx11:56
RST38hqwerty: Returning to yesterday, any chance of compiling that file manager for Maemo? =)11:57
RST38hShezi: No.11:57
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AStormNow, I'd only need a way to get rid of the left bar11:58
AStormand put its useful buttons on the home screen11:58
qwerty12RST38h, sure, I can try again after I've messed with h-a-m, but bewarned that it didn't work properly last time:
SheziRST38h: Then i think the search client will have the capability of reading metadata directly from files and showing the results to the user, if the search is done through metadata keyword11:58
AStormactually, one - menu11:58
* lardman wonders what Google have done to Maps to make it sooooo slllooooooowwww?11:59
qwerty12lardman, upgraded it of course!11:59
RST38hqwerty: Oh11:59
lardmanqwerty12: damn, going to need to upgrade to a Quad core + 8GB of RAM now11:59
AStormmore javascrot11:59
qwerty12lardman, hehe12:00
AStormthey "optimized" it for chrome12:00
lardmanthen again it might be Firefox that is just choking12:00
AStormthat's why maemo-mapper suddenly became so much more useful12:00
lardmanwell it would be a damn site quicker than trying to use my desktop browser anyway. Grrr!12:01
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AStormok, so how do I get rid of the bar on the left?12:02
AStormhave to replace wm to something? :P12:02
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AStorm(like, normal matchbox, not hacked)12:03
AStormok, hav to get rid of window borders12:05
SheziRST38h: About File Manager, how it extracts metadata from file?12:06
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Shezihmm dont know,.. :\12:07
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RST38hShezi: it does not12:11
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AStormqwerty12, where do I get adv. battery?12:13
qwerty12Stolen from GeneralAntilles's scrollback :P12:13
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RST38hReminds me once again abut having to do a dock applet skeleton code12:15
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Mikhomysterious are the ways of the autotools12:21
Mikhoand the error messages are ambiguous enough for someone to invent a new religion based on them12:22
AStorma bot, here?12:22
AStormpovbot, botsnack12:22
povbotAStorm: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.12:22
infobotaw, gee, qwerty1212:22
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RST38h~burn autotools for who needs them nowadays?12:25
* infobot pours gasoline all over autotools for who needs them nowadays, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze12:25
qwerty12~bitchslap autotools12:26
* infobot beats the sh*t out of autotools12:26
qwerty12~rob autotools12:26
* infobot strips autotools of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy12:26
qwerty12~beat autotools12:26
* infobot beats autotools with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish12:26
w00tI frequently say that autotools should die in a fire12:26
w00tnow, it finally has.12:26
Mikhohaha, I feel better already12:27
* RST38h secretly believes that the whole reason for having Scratchbox instead of a normal SDK is the autotools12:27
w00tStskeeps: you didn't mention that stuff involved autotools :(12:27
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* lardman really needs to get a build-box setup at work12:30
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murraycStskeeps: What would a "normal SDK" be? The reason for having scratchbox is to have a simulation of the device and a build environment for it.12:30
murraycI mean RST38h12:30
AStormnormal SDK would use normal crosscompiler12:31
AStormlike, say, T9 linux12:31
lardmanmurrayc: I guess he means a cross toolchain + libs12:31
AStormnot cpu emulation12:31
murraycHow would you run it without CPU emulation?12:32
murraycWhat is T9 Linux?12:32
AStormit's cross...12:33
AStormT9 SDE12:33
AStormgoogle it up12:33
murraycI am. I get nothing12:33
AStormmaybe they renamed it12:33
murraycReusing the T9 tradename would be foolish.12:34
AStormT2 SDE or sth12:35
AStormI mess up this nondescriptive name12:36
RST38hmurrayc <-- kinda clueless12:37
RST38hmurrayc: A plain vanilla SDK would be just a set of cross compilation tools and binary tools12:37
murraycI am kinda clueless?12:37
RST38hmurrayc: No emulation required in this case, it runs on the host architecture and produces target arch binaries12:38
murraycAStorm: So it's a distro? It wouldn't be nice to force people to use one distro? (Though people are effectively forced to use Debian or Ubuntu with Maemo if they want an easy life, because of the problems that mvo mentions in his blog.)12:38
RST38hThe reason why Scratchbox uses emulation and other mysterious crap is because "some software requires running binaries on the target architecture to compile"12:38
AStormmurrayc, scratchbox is a distro12:39
murraycRST38h: And to get something like the behaviour of that architecture. Code acts differently on intel/arm sometimes in ways that are significant in the debugging phase.12:39
* RST38h always wondered what binaries would that be until it struck him that they meant the freaking Autotools/12:39
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murraycAStorm: In a way, yes.12:40
AStormRST38h, some is mostly autofoo12:40
AStormand they're too lazy to patch it12:40
RST38hmurrayc: Absolutely insignificant as Scratchbox is next to useless for debugging12:40
AStormt2 patches packages for cross12:40
AStormand they work12:40
derfI've done almost all of my debugging in scratchbox.12:40
RST38hmurrayc: It does not reflect the behaviour of your code on the real device and some system features (like file dialogs) do not even work12:40
murraycRST38h: I think when you say "Plain vanilla SDK" you mean a Scratchbox that is self-contained. People agree that Scratchbox should be fixed and it looks like Scratchnox 2 could solve many of the problems.12:40
AStormyup, scratchbox is useless for debug12:41
AStormso you haven't hit real bugs yet :>12:41
murraycRST38h: Yes, it's not a 100% simulation, but it's still closer than running as i386.12:41
RST38hmurrayc: When I say "plain vanilla SDK" I mean plain vanilla SDK.12:41
RST38hI do not, DO NOT mean Scratchbox12:41
AStormmurrayc, most not12:41
AStormthe major being its debianisms12:41
RST38hmurrayc: not close enough to be useful sorry12:42
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murraycScratchbox is vastly better than the proprietary development environments that I've used for other mobile platforms.12:43
RST38hmmm/ what?12:44
qwerty12For me, scratchbox is quicker because I don't have to mess around with configure arguments and export a bunch of variables to point to my new toolchain12:45
AStormqwerty12, that's the debian part :P12:45
qwerty12AStorm, probably :P :D12:45
AStormactually, easy to do with one script12:45
lardmanI don't like the way I have to pollute my build environment, it would be nice if the changes required to build a package (e.g. installing support libs) could be wiped away in one go12:45
* RST38h only does it once and forgets about it12:45
AStormso, not important12:45
RST38hWhile with SB mysterious holes leading to pools of fecal matter with weird file extensions open daily12:46
lardmanRST38h: it does do the job though12:46
lardmanRST38h: would you really prefer a cross compiler?12:47
RST38hlardman: yes, but I would rather write my own code than try figuring out why SB broke again12:47
RST38hlardman: yes12:47
lardmanRST38h: consider building something like R, where the R binary itself is used to build parts of the support files12:47
RST38hlardman: I have that12:47
lardmancross compiled?12:47
RST38hlardman: I compile code-generating part with host CC12:47
lardmanwithout hackery? ;)12:47
RST38hwithout any hackery12:48
AStormlardman, then you need a cross binary of R12:48
lardmanso you patched the Makefiles12:48
AStormif they ignored that, R is too bad to live12:48
RST38hThey are my own makefiles12:48
lardmanwhile in scratchbox you just say go, and it compiles12:48
AStormmore fun is with python and such :P12:48
AStormlardman, or breaks, more often12:49
AStormwith a segfault12:49
RST38hlardman: I can't install Scratchbox on my Windows machine (need to install Linux), it takes 1GB+ HD space (have to delete half of Ubuntu distro) and SB1 does not let me access host filesystem from inside12:49
lardmanreally? I've not seen many of those12:49
AStormqemu niceness12:49
RST38hlardman: Sorry, but I will take a crosscompiler any time12:49
lardmanRST38h: indeed, nothing is perfect12:49
lardmanRST38h: but all of these are acceptable to me, cross toolchains are a pita12:49
lardmanimo of course, from time spent compiling for the Zaurus12:50
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AStormapps not build for crossing are12:50
AStorm*not built12:50
RST38hlardman: You probably port a lot of standard Linux software, then it makes sense12:50
lardmanwhich, unfortunately, is many12:50
AStormworst offender is perl12:51
AStormfor python, can just axe the .pyo, .pyc and redo these on target machine12:52
vincenzo88Hello, i developp on N810 and i try to create a launch icon on the navigator bar. I have create the .desktop and .service files. The icon appear in the menu but when i click on the icon nothing append. Someone have and idea to help me ? Thanks.12:52
AStormand it will correctly use cross CC12:52
vincenzo88(the program work when i launch it with ./myapp)12:52
RST38hvincenzo: your program probably does not connect to DBus12:52
RST38hvincenzo: Remove the dbus-related line from .desktop and delete the .service file12:53
qwerty12vincenzo88, where is the binary located and can you pastebin your desktop and service file?12:53
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vincenzo88qwerty12: the binary is in : /usr/bin/folder/binary12:54
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vincenzo88i paste my two files 1 sec ;)12:54
qwerty12vincenzo88, hrm, iirc, it's not really orthodox to have subfolders in bin12:54
vincenzo88Ok i will put the executable directly in bin folder12:55
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qwerty12generally, files needed by your program should be loaded from /usr/share/program/whatever12:56
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vincenzore this is the desktop :12:59
vincenzo[Desktop Entry]12:59
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
RST38hvincenzo: Remove  X-Osso-Service= line13:00
RST38hvincenzo: It should work then13:00
AStormvincenzo, is  there such a service running?13:00
vincenzoI will put the binary directly in the bin folder too13:00
RST38hThat is not necessary but probably is a good idea13:01
RST38hcreating subfolders in /usr/bin isn't good practice13:01
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, #13 on #2285 sucks :/. Regarding extras, I don't think his package is debanized and he uses pypackager :/13:01
vincenzoI delete the .service file too ?13:02
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RST38hyes, unless you really implement the service13:03
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vincenzoIt's work !! Many thanks for your help i search for 5 hours13:07
RST38h[and now he is going to ask how to make it display the icon in the task bar]13:08
qwerty12Well :P, gtk apps do that automatically from my knowledge and with sdl games, it's not hard to bend them into submission :P13:09
vincenzoit's not very important for the moment but i suppose i have to change the line "Icon"13:09
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AStormvincenzo, not just that :)13:10
AStormsome hildon stuff has to be done13:10
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AStormI don't remember what13:10
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Macerboswars is pretty good for being on an n80013:14
Macerwould be even better if there were more types of units13:14
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qwerty12debs are in the same place13:24
lardmanis the General about?13:26
caio1982qwerty12: neat theme, what is it?13:28
qwerty12caio1982, ciroip's 3d mania :
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caio1982thanks :)13:29
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Stskeepsmurrayc: look at m-vos post on planet.maemo.org13:36
Stskeepsexactly like that13:36
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aquatixqwerty12: that .deb in the first post of that thread, is that the latest version of that theme?13:49
qwerty12aquatix, probably not, I'm using the desaturated version:
* aquatix still wants to make a theme of his own13:57
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yergaFremantle SDK is out!14:00
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aquatix.. ew?
aquatixyerga: ooh14:00
yergaqwerty12, you should be hacking yet14:00
aquatixhm, i didn't check lately, but is there any word on compatibility with n8x0? (or am i the gazillionth person to ask)14:01
lardmanat last14:01
aquatixof course, there's always community backporting14:01
lardmanaquatix: +114:01
qwerty12yerga, I've built the latest diablo app mgr with your mods etc, that's my hacking for the day :P14:01
lardmanright, let's get building an image for the n8x0 then :)14:01
qwerty12lardman, you first :P14:02
lardmanqwerty12: ;)14:02
qwerty12ooh, I don't know wtf  wildmidi is but it has a funky name14:02
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aquatixqwerty12: some midi synth?14:04
qwerty12yeah, I wonder what nokia are planning to use it for :)14:04
lcukooooh @ shiny new stuff14:04
lcukhaptics ;)14:05
qwerty12the sdk-default-icons now, seem awfully like the ones from diablo...14:05
lardmanthey are14:06
lardmansame ui for the time being14:06
lardmanlcuk: where's haptics?14:06
qwerty12my point is that the sdk-default-icons in diablo are fugly14:06
lardmanah, well I'm sure we'll get the new ui when we get it14:06
lardmanwe knew that from the summit14:07
qwerty12nope, I knew it was coming ;)14:07
qwerty12still nice to see14:07
Stskeepsi wonder if dsme is out yt14:07
* lardman wonders how the alarms will be handled now14:07
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qwerty12openssh is included in the sdk now14:08
lardmanlibc is 2.5.1-1eglibc7 - what does that mean?14:08
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lardmanor just some random version?14:09
lardmanhello andrewfblack14:09
qwerty12afternoon andrewfblack14:09
XTLlardman: I'd parse that as -1e tending towards glibc v7.x14:09
lardmanXTL: ok14:09
qwerty12lcuk, !14:10
XTLNo real idea, though.14:10
XTLqwerty12: heh14:10
AStormqwerty12, where's our gallium on DSP? :P14:11
lardmanmaemo-chavo-runtime :)14:11
lardmanwhat is that?14:11
AStormwrite it!14:11
qwerty12whee, 2.6.27 as default kernel14:11
qwerty12AStorm, :P14:11
qwerty12lardman, something to do with communications subsystem14:11
lardmanAStorm: I hope it won't be necessary14:11
andrewfblackwhy are there so many kinds of security screws grrr14:12
lardmanqwerty12: ok14:12
AStormheh, why?14:12
AStormit's opengl's future14:12
lardmanAStorm: just because14:12
lardmanon the DSP though...?14:12
AStormwell, that powervr is arm...14:13
AStormso, you could push gallium pipeline there14:13
lardmanAStorm: what? it's not ARM14:13
lardmanlibspeexdsp1 - interesting14:14
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AStormlardman, yes, the powervr chip is a specialized arm14:14
qwerty12lardman, it's a standard library in debian too14:14
lardmanAStorm: do you have a source?14:15
AStormthat's why they don't want to release drivers14:15
lardmanqwerty12: ok14:15
AStormbecause all gfx pipeline is there14:15
AStormas in TI pages..., yes14:15
AStormcheck them14:15
AStormit's a specialized arm implementation14:15
lardmanok, but do you have a url to the docs?14:16
AStormsorry, my conn. is very loaded14:16
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AStormbut, it's on OMAP2 arch chart14:16
AStormlardman, it's *highly* visible, please14:16
lardmanI've never seen anything about the implementation of it14:16
AStormno, no docs for that part of OMAP2, unfortunately14:17
lardmannor anything stating that it's an ARM core14:17
lardmanis this the arch chart you mean?
lardmanor one specific to a SOC?14:18
AStormreally, check :)14:18
lardmanI have done really, hence my wanting a pointer :)14:18
AStormin a few secs14:18
AStormafter I get to load the pages...14:19
lardmantoo many people doing Xmas shopping, slowing down the interweb! ;)14:19
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lardmanhmm, still running in scratchbox114:20
qwerty12good, good14:21
AStormmy conn is loaded by OOo 3 download14:22
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AStormand it's just 64kbps now :P14:22
lardmanok, so tell me which page it was on then14:22
AStormso I'm in a timeout hell14:22
* Stskeeps isnt sure if we're getting anything huge from sdk that we didnt have already14:25
lardmanStskeeps: just updates14:25
lardmanAStorm: are you sure you're not thinking of the IVA2?14:25
Stskeepslardman: most of them are in svn already. maybe matchbox wm 2 though14:26
X-FadeHmmm modest seems to be removed from fremantle sdk?14:26
lardmanX-Fade: is for platform devs, probably not been finalised yet?14:27
Stskeepsi welcome the death of modest14:27
X-FadeYeah, or because it depends on that cert thing, which isn't open?14:27
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X-FadeAnd this SDK only contains the open parts.14:28
AStormlardman, hmm, possible14:28
AStormbut IVA2 is an evolutionary development14:29
lardmanAStorm: I've done a fair bit of work looking at the PowerVR and have never come across any information about it being an ARM core14:29
AStormso IVA 1 is the same stuff... more or less14:29
lardmanthe IVA2 otoh is an ARM9 (iirc) + memory + coprocessors14:29
lardmanI don't know anything about the IVA114:29
lardmannor what it was in - 770?14:30
AStormso, on IVA2, our work should be to,write gallium core?14:30
lardmancertainly IVA2+ is now the DSP + hw accel coprocessors14:30
AStormtake their softpipe, implement it on that arm, profit?14:31
lardmanThere's no way to get it working14:31
lardmanAnyway there's some work underway to try OpenGL on the DSP14:32
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* lardman wonders if mesa will remain in place when the omap3 hw acceleration comes along14:35
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lardmanah, the license doesn't restrict it, no need for source to be provided14:36
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StsN800qwerty12, could you get libhildon and see if it has hildon-pannable-area?14:39
qwerty12StsN800, it does14:40
yergasomeone with gstreamer experience can see if this is cool:
yergalines 66-70, specially14:41
yergait is in the gstreamer-plugins-camera package14:41
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lardmanafaicr audio will be handled on the ARM, though video was to be on the DSP14:44
lardmantheora on the DSP...? I wonder14:44
lardmananyway, good spot :)14:45
bombasme newbie to maemo, can i use ubuntu for maemo development? in maemo docs i see hse kf Debian all the places14:48
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lardmanbombas: I use a computer with Ubuntu installed for development14:48
lardmanbombas: you'll install scratchbox which has a mini debian environment inside it14:49
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bombaslardman: thanks! I have installed scratchbox and I could get emulator up too!14:49
StsN800oh boy, no n8x0 fremantle14:51
lardmanStsN800: we can do our own14:51
lardmanthat is the idea14:51
StsN800it seems feasible to port many things though14:51
Stskeepsbut we will need hands, definately14:52
X-FadeAnd we need to think of a place where to put the ports?14:53
lardmanX-Fade: do you happen to know if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for the Cortex?14:53
lardmanIf not, I hope most stuff should run, and the number of ports will be reasonably small14:53
X-Fadelardman: I have no idea. File should tell you?14:54
lardmanyeah, I'll look when I get home14:54
lardmanjust commenting really14:54
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lardmanam out this afternoon, I expect to see a working Fremantle image for the N8x0 by this evening when I come back ;)14:56
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X-FadeWe can push all source packages into diablo extras-devel and see? :D14:56
StsN800technically mer is alre14:56
StsN800ady using fm packages14:57
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StsN800is there anything resembling the new interface in sdk?15:03
t_s_owhats going on? sdk release?!15:05
StsN800alpha yea15:05
t_s_oanything really interesting in there so far?15:06
kulvewith default config for the hw15:07
StsN800any interesting hints?15:07
yergaStsN800, not much about the UI, except the dialogs are movable15:08
StsN800if hildon lib doesnt change and h-d, fremantle is sure a possibility on n8x0, wo shiny effects15:10
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GAN800StsN800, no UI changes for alphas yet, but expect some later. :)15:20
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yergaThe kinetic scroll is there, at least in the filechooser widget.15:21
RST38hAn alpha SDK release? Gimme gimme15:22
RST38hWhere is it? =)15:22
bombasI have just installed 4.1.1 SDK, I see only settings app in emulator. doesn't it comes with existing applications ? like atleast browser?15:24
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RST38hbombas: this is correct, it does not come with apps15:24
bombasand i need a account to download those application builds?15:25
RST38hI have never tried it, but my guess is that you can install them with apt-get15:26
RST38hNo need to have an account15:26
bombasRST38h: thanks. maemo comes with mozilla browser right? can you tell me command to install that browser in my emulator?15:28
andrewfblackwell I'm going to be selling my Tablet now15:29
RST38hAre we gonna have an online auction then? Right here? =)15:29
RST38hbombas: No - never has a need for it15:30
infobotRST38h meant: bombas: No - never had a need for it15:30
andrewfblacklol nope not on irc, but looks like Maemo 5 isn't coming to old tablets so it wont be long and n810 will be out dated and have no software for them like 770s15:30
GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, pfft15:31
GeneralAntillesOfficially, perhaps.15:31
GeneralAntillesBut it's certainly no dead-end15:31
GeneralAntillesnot like it was for the 770.15:31
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GeneralAntillesFremantle is WAY more open than any previous release15:31
GeneralAntilleswhich makes a community backport much more feasible.15:31
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, re #2285. Fuck 'em. ;) If they can't manage to pull their own heads out of their asses, and there's much better community options available, then there's no sense fighting it.15:32
GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, it's a little early to be making snap decisions, anyway.15:32
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, hehe15:32
andrewfblackyeah I kinda knew this was coming anyways15:32
andrewfblackmaybe this will put some fire under people to get some of the other OS ports running better15:33
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GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, that's not really the sustainable direction15:33
GeneralAntillesIf you want to see the way forward for OMAP2 tablets and Fremantle, watch Mer. :)15:33
RST38hcell stuff is already in the alpha15:34
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RST38hMesa is there. This means that things should THEORETICALLY work on N8x0 without 3D acceleration15:39
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t_s_odog slow and battery eating?15:41
RST38hyep, but can't do much about that15:42
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t_s_ohmm, no more evolution data server...15:47
RST38hMaemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?15:48
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AStormnobody knows...15:51
GeneralAntillesRST38h, dunno, though the comments on m-vo's blog would seem to lead to that conclusion at some point.15:51
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RST38hGeneral: That would be a great relief15:52
RST38h(and at least I will no longer be the only idiot pestering Jukka with bug reports)15:52
GeneralAntillesRST38h, it might be a point worth seeking clarification on on -developers15:53
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X-FadeCurrent SDK is still using sb1. It can be installed next to the diablo devkit.15:58
lcukdoes the sdk include 3d emulation and stuff? :D15:58
X-FadeBut sb2 and sdk+ are planned.15:58
RST38hlcuk: it appears to do so15:59
RST38hlibmesa is there15:59
lcukooooh i bet it will be bob for me in vmware ;)15:59
* lcuk will have to purchase a new machine or rethink everything, shall see later15:59
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RST38hI guess you mean N900 by "new machine"?16:00
lcukif thats whats needed - i need a dev-env which isnt brainf*cked16:00
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lcukscratchbox within linux vmware within windows is bad personally for me so ill have to find a better solution16:01
RST38hlcuk: I made a partition and placed Ubuntu there16:01
RST38hX-Fade: is missing. Any quick way to fix it?16:02
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lcukRST38h, ill have to have a rejig anyway, now might be the time ill look when im not at work16:03
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X-FadeSomehow it is 4-0-x now, I'll notify the documentation guys.16:12
RST38hX-Fade: thanks!16:14
RST38hthey probably added one for diablo as 4-1-x16:14
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X-FadeRST38h: Maybe they are working on it, but now it isn't there at least.16:15
X-FadeRST38h: I'll ping them.16:15
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vs93tarasAre there any other IT related channels?16:16
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X-FadeRST38h: Can you chime in on ?16:22
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RST38ha moment16:31
RST38hX-Fade: I spent some time redesigning the docs page a while ago16:32
RST38hSadly, my design went nowhere but you are free to use it if you want16:32
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X-FadeRST38h: I think we can use that with the redesign effort that is going on.16:35
X-FadeRST38h: dneary is coordinating that.16:35
RST38hI commented on the bug16:36
Stskeepsregarding sb1 vs sb2, they're going for sb2, dropping sb1 eventually16:36
Stskeepsit's the future, so16:37
RST38hX-Fade: Check Documentation part at
RST38hX-Fade: I suggest having a page like this for each major release, starting with 4.1/4.0 and doing older ones as time and resources allow16:38
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: we should probably sit down at some point and work out how to get Mer off its feet with community and such :P16:42
GAN800Sounds like a plan.16:43
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Stskeepswhy does news when trying to access the actual news, redirect to
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bergieStskeeps: some news items have invalid URLs, I'd imagine16:45
bergiecan you give me an example?16:45
Stskeepsbergie: this one is the SDK one..16:45
StskeepsFirst Maemo 5 SDK release targeting platform developers16:45
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bergie works for me16:45
Stskeepsin my firefox the link points to maemo.org16:45
Stskeepsand i'm talking about where it happens16:46
Stskeepsunder "news"16:46
Stskeepsnot announcements :P16:46
bergieah yes, I can see that16:46
bergieinteresting is that in the sidebar the link is correct16:46
bergieI guess the issue is with local items, because that social news thing was intended to deal with remotely-fetched items ;-)16:47
StskeepsGAN800: saw has been updated?16:47
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Stskeepswith quite a lot of info16:48
Stskeepshah. "OHM introduced as a replacement for dsme and mce components which are responsible for device state and mode control. "16:48
Stskeepsi knew it16:48
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RST38hSts: priceless16:52
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RST38hSts: I especially liked the "WONTFIX for Diablo" part16:54
Stskeepsyes.. my "eh" was supposed to be a "wtf"16:54
x29ais this a security feature?16:54
RST38hSts: Well, it seems to send WiFi SPI driver into frenzy, judging from comments16:55
RST38hSts: Pretty low level stuff16:55
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Stskeepsmay be solvable with stlc45xx.16:55
* Stskeeps grabs libhildon16:56
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RST38hBusinessWeek is running a story asserting that the 'US is Losing the Global Cyberwar.' <eek>16:58
suihkulokkiRST38h: who's winning this time? chinese, soviets, arabs or just generic terrorists?17:01
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RST38hsuihkulokki: Most experts claim it to be russians, but osama is still pretty much in fashion these days17:01
RST38hAh, the Evil Chinese too!17:02
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KnowledgeAny of you cats and kittens in here know what VDR is? and if so, have you streamed from vdr to a tablet?....if
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Stskeepsqwerty12: is it possible to get a kernel event when the device is connected to anything by USB?17:07
Stskeepsso we can pop up a menu asking if it should be USB networking, USB storage, etc?17:07
qwerty12Stskeeps, no idea, let me check17:07
Stskeepsit could be kickass to have.17:08
Stskeepskinda like on the n9517:08
qwerty12yeah, that's what came to my mind ;)17:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, straight away on system bus:
Stskeepswe so have to make that.17:09
qwerty12shouldn't be hard to make a udev rule, i'll mess around17:09
* Stskeeps sends libhildon to the presses17:11
wizawill fremantle work on n810?17:12
Stskeepswiza: they are not going to officially support it, atleast17:12
Stskeepsbut there will probably be backports17:13
Stskeepsor community distribution of the maemo platform (mer)17:13
Stskeepsif you'd like to see it happen, join in the effort :P17:14
wizawhen I have time I'll might, my non-PHP skills are little rusty17:15
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StskeepsGAN800: "" too bw17:16
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Stskeepslo meiz17:23
StskeepsMeiz_n810: when armel builder finishes up, we have a new libhildon from fremantle alpha sdk for you to play with17:23
Stskeepsour work has just become even more import now that nokia won't target fremantle on n8x0s ..17:23
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, what package is using that?17:24
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: gupnp i think i saw it in, sec17:24
Meiz_n810i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-support and now mer does not boot anymore :(17:24
Meiz_n810is stops on "starting network manager" then reboots17:25
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah.. it isn't trivial17:25
Stskeepsi'll work on it a tad more once i've had my cup of coffee17:25
Stskeepsand done some menial tasks for school17:25
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: when wlan works, i'll use Mer all the time, exept when i'm at school17:26
Meiz_n810i was able to use moblins matchbox keyboard thing17:27
Stskeepswe'll have hildon import method soon enough to17:27
Meiz_n810it can be started from statusbar and it supports many languages17:27
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, let's have a little informal get together to discussion direction and organization17:27
GeneralAntillesthen lead up to a more formal meeting with Nokia in a month or two.17:27
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, - not today though :P17:28
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, right. :P17:28
Stskeepsneed to get myself an overview of the sdk first17:28
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, think you can jump in on at some point?17:28
qwerty12Stskeeps, fuck udev but this code launches osso-xterm when usb cable is plugged in:
Stskeepsqwerty12: we so have to do something with that17:29
Stskeepsand when did you start coding python?17:29
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, my plan was to wait for the feelings to get a little higher in that thread and then jump in17:30
qwerty12Stskeeps, I learnt a bit a while back for headset-control, that's just a modified version of that. But I only learnt a little bit so it's kinda forgotten now17:30
Stskeepsqwerty12: i guess combined with powerlaunch we could do something nice17:30
qwerty12hehe, yeah17:31
Meiz_n810i'm still not able to get wifi working in android, userspace crashes when searching for networks...17:34
* Stskeeps ponders how well Mer will work on 770s17:37
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GeneralAntillesNot well17:37
GeneralAntillesMaemo doesn't work well on 770s. :P17:37
GeneralAntillesThey're dog slow.17:37
RST38hBetter suited for webserver, indeed17:37
Stskeepswe'll see, r2d2rogers is porting ahead :)17:37
GeneralAntillesRST38h, sadly that joke is much less enjoyable now that actually works.17:38
RST38hit is still slow enough at times. besides, you can now tell this joke about iTT =)17:39
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Do we have a FAQ template for the wiki already?17:39
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, no.17:40
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I would like to make a FAQ for extras, but would like some help with the layout ;)17:40
* GeneralAntilles can't even give advice anymore without getting flamed. <_<17:42
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Trolls?17:42
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I have seen much worse :)17:44
Stskeepscan someone do apt-cache policy hildon-libs-l10n-mr for me in SDK?17:44
Stskeeps(i dont have it installed atm)17:44
Stskeepsfremantle SDK, that is17:44
RST38hGeneral: people really hate "out of your depth" comments17:44
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, oh, sure, but it's tiresome to get responses like that when you're just trying to pass on some advice. ;)17:44
Stskeepsinteresting, python is part of SDK17:45
X-FadeStskeeps: Any sign of other runtimes?17:45
Stskeepshmm.. looking17:46
Stskeepsno vala sorry17:46
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yergaStskeeps, there is hildon-libs-l10n-public and hildon-libs-l10n-public-mr017:48
yerga6.0+r6368 and 6.0, respectively17:49
Stskeepslet's see how much this new sdk breaks :P17:50
yergaI am just testing the new hildon widgets17:51
Stskeepshow are they?17:51
yergahildon-pannable-area looks good17:51
* GeneralAntilles wishes Reggie hadn't made the alpha release a news item.17:52
Stskeepsi'd love to see screenshots, as it'll take a while before i can start playing with them17:52
GeneralAntillesitT users are exactly the audience it's not intended for.17:52
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i just wish he would fix the cross-poster he's using.17:52
yergaStskeeps, I am doing screenshots too17:52
X-Fadeyerga: blog!17:52
yerga:), I will upload it to Share on Ovi then17:53
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Stskeepsand so it starts in .dk .. bundled asus eee and 3g subscription17:53
Stskeepsfor less than a dollar17:53
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Stskeeps(subscription costs something obviously)17:53
RST38hyerga: any really interestnig screenshots btw?17:53
RST38hi.e. not just the empty screen but some new features? =)17:53
RST38hSts: Lots of unsold EEEs and ASUS has to roll out new models for Christmas?17:54
pupnikacer one's keyboard is a bit better17:54
Stskeepswtf reggie. "A new revamped UI and a new media application framework dubbed "Ohm" "17:55
yergaRST38h, the screenshots tell little, it's better play with it17:55
Stskeepsthat is -not- a media application framework17:55
||cwStskeeps: the 900?17:56
Stskeepshuh :P17:56
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, do you want to correct him or should I? :P17:57
Stskeepsi did17:57
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Stskeepsthat was just way too offensive for my tastes17:57
RST38h"Entire class fails computing exam by submitting in Word format"17:57
* RST38h shakes in satanic laughter17:57
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, [url=]Open Hardware Manage[/url] :P17:58
StskeepsRST38h: we had an algorithmics class.. the TA told us we could hand in, in any language.. so we took in everything ranging from COMAL to PSX basic..17:59
Stskeepseveryone was accepted, except for the guy who handed in in playstation basic, the TA thought that was pure shit language :P17:59
Stskeeps(.. that guy ended up as a phd student) :P17:59
b1ackd3athany one get the new extended batt for the n810 and do you like it18:00
RST38hSts: If I were your TA, I would just remember that. And wait, WAIT for a good opportunity to fail you all ho ho Ho HO HO18:00
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, is it worth breaking up the "Implement new look" task into several smaller tasks?18:03
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I committed just the big one because I wasn't certain of all the smaller pieces. ;)18:03
timelesshello world18:03
timelesswhat's the official name for the latest sdk? :)18:04
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Stskeepsfremantle alpha sdk? :P18:04
GeneralAntillestimeless, pre-alpha18:04
GeneralAntillesI think the alpha may still be coming in December.18:05
Stskeepsyeah, i'm waiting for OHM, and the release of legacy dsm :P18:05
GeneralAntillesHow long overdue is that DSME code now? :\18:05
Stskeeps(they announced ohm atleast)18:05
GeneralAntillesThe Summit was in September18:06
GeneralAntillesIt was supposed to be available that Monday18:06
GeneralAntillesthen 2 weeks after the Summit18:06
GeneralAntillesnow we may never see it.18:06
Stskeepsi think they realised what it actually contained18:06
timelessnot the pre alpha one18:06
timelessand i want the official name18:06
timelessthe one for the product i could actually buy :)18:06
Stskeepsmaemo 5.0? :P18:06
timelessi can't buy that :)18:07
timelessand i mean the sdk :)18:07
timelessthis question isn't meant ot be that confusing18:07
GeneralAntillesAre you indexing the code now? :P18:07
timeless(it is a hard question once you start getting to the right product, but... you're not even in the right year!)18:07
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timelessi'm reviewing an update to the sdk docs18:07
timelessand the sdk can't figure out what to call it18:07
timeless(itself rather)18:07
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GeneralAntillesAccording to that18:08
GeneralAntillesthe SDK is "Maemo SDK"18:08
timelesswhich means i figured i'd ask people who might actually use it18:08
timelessto see if they knew what it was called :)18:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, looks like initfs will indeed be done (as said many times before). Have you seen osso core config? ttyusb now runs cal-tool from the rootfs rather than chrooting to /mnt/initfs like in diablo18:08
GeneralAntillesSo a specific release of the "Maemo SDK" would be the "Maemo 5 SDK"18:08
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: how did you make the wifi work in deblet? Installing tablet-hw-n8x0-support just makes Mer unable to boot..18:08
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timelessi'd still rather you talked about 4 and not 5 :)18:09
Stskeepsqwerty12: no i did not yet18:09
timelessvaporware doesn't interest me18:09
GeneralAntillestimeless, well, it's certainly not the Maemo 4 SDK18:09
GeneralAntillesAs that was released a year ago.18:09
timelesswe're releasing an update to the doc for that18:09
timelesssince i'm reviewing it now18:09
Stskeepsqwerty12: and noone says we can't have "boot to seperate partition" though :P18:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, hehe, I wonder how that will be managed... maybe we get to choose kernel command line on the fly  :P18:10
StskeepsMeiz_n810: sorry, i'll have to get back to you on that, i'm way too information overloaded right now18:10
Stskeepsand way too little energy to deal with all of it :)18:10
Stskeepsi'll add it to my queue of things to do18:10
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: :P18:11
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: You did see this one right?
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, yes, which is what reminded me to ask about that. ;)18:15
* timeless kiicks svn18:15
X-FadeI still need to find out what Reggie needs to have done for talk.18:15
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I'm just thinking it'd be easier to have 5 or 6 tasks and 4 of them end up completed by January than 1 task that ends up most of the way done but gets carried over. ;)18:15
X-FadeYes, true.18:16
GeneralAntillesBut, it's up to you.18:16
X-FadeSeparate tasks is better.18:16
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: how well does scrum work for you people in
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I don't have enough background to make a judgement call on that one.18:18
GeneralAntillesI'd say it works pretty well18:18
* timeless sighs18:18
GeneralAntillesbut falls apart a bit when people fail to follow procedure18:18
* timeless kicks something18:18
GeneralAntillesunderreporting is a big issue18:18
GeneralAntillesparticularly with people not directly involved with maemo.org18:18
GeneralAntillesNemien folks and Nokians, etc.18:19
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Stskeepsmicroblogging could be a solution maybe to that18:19
Khertan3Hello !18:19
Stskeepseasier than logging into a wiki and editing18:19
GeneralAntillesI'd rather they spend an extra 2 minutes and have it all in one place.18:20
* GeneralAntilles bails from the SDK thread for the time being.18:20
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: one thing to prod nokia about, pushing SDK updates into stage svn18:20
Stskeepsthe versions are damned out of sync atm18:20
Stskeepsstage svn/git/whatever :P18:21
GeneralAntillesI'm quite certain sjgadsby's ploy with breaking up the bug jar is pure karma whoring. :P18:21
Khertan3hum .... i think we will hear many whining this next week ....18:21
GeneralAntillesKhertan3, they love to whine.18:21
Khertan3like me18:21
Knowledgeahoy hoy people...I forgot I had asked a question in here haha18:22
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StskeepsKhertan3: hehe, saw meiz's mer screenshots? , - it isn't that horridly difficult to get a hildon desktop going :)18:22
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Stskeepsso people shouldn't whine too loudly18:23
Khertan3nope i look18:23
StskeepsKhertan3: you did the home* python applets?18:23
KnowledgeGeneral: I never noticed how slow the 770 is until you mentioned it yesterday....18:24
Khertan3Stskeeps: yep ? why ?18:24
StskeepsKhertan3: we'll probably include those in Mer :)18:24
Khertan3héhé ...18:24
Stskeepsas they're open source and working nicely18:25
Khertan3if you have idea for other18:25
Khertan3i can do it too :)18:25
Stskeepswe'll have plenty coming up18:25
Khertan3stskeeps > do you have see hometools ?18:25
Stskeepsyeah, think i saw a screenshot18:25
Khertan3oups ... not this one18:25
Stskeepsyou do status bar applets too btw?18:26
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Stskeepshehe, looks cool18:26
X-FadeStskeeps: My guess is that a lot of things from stage will move to git.18:26
Khertan3Stskeeps> nope i ven't done one yet ... but status bar should not be very difficult to do too18:26
X-FadeStskeeps: Ferenc is setting that up now.18:26
Stskeepslookin' forward to it18:26
X-FadeStskeeps: And my guess is that you will see more active development there.18:27
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: I deleted start-x things from rc.local, and started hildon-desktop as user, matchbox-w-m did not start...18:28
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah, it probably needs a bit of tinkering to work18:30
Meiz_n810why is solca living in the other side of the earth?18:31
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timelessgah, eds is annoying18:34
* timeless wonders how many tagged versions of eds are in svn18:34
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Khertan3eds ? the none Evolution sort of Data but not a Server ?18:36
disco_stuKhertan2, you should not make the refreshing thhing noticeable18:37
Khertan3disco_stu ... hum... maybe18:38
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* lcuk runs in sticks a "kick me" sign on Khertan3 and runs away again :P18:39
Khertan3hi lcuk18:39
disco_stuill probably hack it , to avoid that18:39
Khertan3héhé ... not so hard18:39
lcukhiya, i really cant stop hope everything is going well with your rebuild18:39
lcukcya later18:40
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Khertan3remove the set_label() in the def foreground before the call to the get_text18:40
Khertan3lcuk > this is going well ... but a bit slow18:41
X-FadeProps to bahram1 for noticing that he could edit his own karma score and making it 6000 ;)18:41
* lcuk knows that feeling.18:41
lcukoooh X-Fade can we all do it18:41
X-Fadelcuk: You could..18:41
X-FadeBut not anymore ;)18:42
lcukcould i edit yours?18:42
GeneralAntillesKhertan3, if only your clones were real.18:42
X-FadeNo, you could only edit your own score. Although it got reset each night.18:42
GeneralAntillesBe nice to put your stuff together as an on-device development suite.18:42
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, who are we gonna con into building an autotester18:43
lcukkhertan doesnt need clones, he current uses 6 tablets at a time (i wont tell you how he manages it, but make sure you dont pick up his tablets)18:43
GeneralAntillesI wonder if Nokia's got anything internally. . . .18:43
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: It really depends on what we want to test.18:44
GeneralAntillesHehe, well, there's that.18:44
GeneralAntillesMaybe if we kindnap some users and make them test incoming software Clockwork Orange-style. . . .18:45
Khertan3GeneralAntilles > héhé ... yep my clone leak a good ia18:45
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Khertan3ia == ai18:46
AStormGeneralAntilles, s/kidnap/hire/ and I'm all for it18:47
GeneralAntillesAStorm, pfft18:47
GeneralAntillesWe don't have the cash for that.18:47
AStormpity :(18:47
GeneralAntillesIt's slave labor or nothing. :P18:47
GeneralAntillesThat said, we should set up an infrastructure for volunteer testing.18:47
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RST38hGeneral: and incentives too18:54
RST38hor nobody will test18:54
GAN800RST38h, karma18:55
yergaThe promised screenshots:
Khertan3? ...18:56
Khertan3really ?18:56
Khertan3i was disapointed !18:56
Khertan3i'm disapointed !18:57
StskeepsKhertan3: unthemed18:57
Khertan3specially by this one :
yergaKhertan3, they are simple examples18:57
yergaI think there some widgets not updated yet.18:57
Stskeepsoh, finger vs stylus, neat18:57
Stskeepsyerga: is it intentional all the dialogs are in the bottom?18:58
yergaStskeeps, they are put there automatically18:58
yergabut you can move it18:58
yergaThis is nice:
Stskeepsyerga: thanks, will be interesting to try on mer18:59
yergawith multiple selections18:59
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derfBeing able to move dialogs is already a big improvement.19:00
Khertan3yerga: does there is inline editing with :
Khertan3derf: or not19:00
yergaKhertan3, no it's static not editable19:00
qwerty12derf, It can be already be done now (albeit being a hack)19:01
Khertan3yerga > snifff19:01
Stskeepsremember this is -pre alpha- sdk :P19:01
* Khertan3 start thinking that all this kinetic things will be mainly done the next device with a better touch feeling19:02
yergaKhertan3, but there is other pannable are with a treeview19:02
yergait could be editable19:02
derfqwerty12: Or I could just rewrite all the code myself, but I have better things to do with my time.19:02
Khertan3yerga > i already do it with treeview :) this is why i ask as it seems to be a easier widget to use19:03
yergaKhertan3, yeah it looks better than the treeview19:03
yergathis has a treeview:
yergawith gestures ;)19:04
Khertan3but to be honest, i can t have much feeling about this widget without reading the api :)19:04
Khertan3and a theming :)19:04
Khertan3 <- this is a treeview19:05
Khertan3an other one -> :
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yergaKhertan3, looks nice the new UI19:06
Khertan3this is not the new one :)19:06
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Khertan3i thinking of more things for the new one19:07
Khertan3like a real week view19:07
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Khertan3and month display19:07
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Khertan3moving tool bar on the left, right or bottom19:07
Khertan3a question about Maemo519:08
Khertan3if it ll use omap3 ... this means that application should be specifically compiled for omap3 and omap2 to be compatible right ?19:08
Khertan3so we will need separate repository for omap3 and omap2 based device right ?19:09
disco_studont think so19:09
disco_stuboth are arm19:09
disco_stuarchitecture is what matters19:10
Khertan3but doesn't support the same instructions if i understand well19:10
qwerty12I don't think so, you only use processor specific instructions if you specify them iirc19:10
Khertan3ok the two have the same arch ... arm1119:13
StskeepsMeizirkki: i'm breaking Mer repo right now19:13
disco_studay one booting from sd and everything normal19:13
Khertan3Mer repo ?19:14
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: phew, imager just finished downloading :P19:14
StskeepsMeizirkki: i can't promise it will work :P19:14
MeizirkkiRepo Imager or what?19:15
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Stskeepsas in, the setup you just got19:15
MeizirkkiWhat do you mean?19:15
Stskeepsif you just finished dling i don't know if you got new libhildon or not :)19:15
Meizirkkinew one will break something?19:16
Stskeepsso we'll see19:17
* Stskeeps is waiting for some chinese rolls to cook, as he's kinda out of balance wrt food today :P19:18
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qwerty12Meizirkki, hey, your Mer screenies aren't showing :/19:25
Meizirkkiat itT19:26
Meizirkkiworked for me19:26
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Stskeepspicasaweb works a bit oddly19:28
* Stskeeps groans at fremantle sdk19:28
Meizirkkipicasaweb has shitty copy-control :(19:29
sp3000well that's odd19:31
sp3000clicking on the most recent news item heading on goes to ... maemo.org19:31
Stskeepssp3000: hinted that to bergie earlier19:31
disco_stui hate the stupid microb stealing focus ffrom other appz19:31
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sp3000oh, the read more link does too, heh19:32
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Stskeepsokay, someone seriously needs to explain to me the sense of the -mr, -public, etc packages.19:34
Stskeepsand how the heck they layed out19:35
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sp3000Stskeeps: meh, I'll file a bug19:47
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* sp3000 can't map Stskeeps to an email address, so nyah, no cc19:48
Stskeepser, what bug? :P19:48
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lardmanwhere's my Fremantle n810 image then? ;)19:49
* Stskeeps hands lardman a bunch of l10n packages to play with.19:50
qwerty12We had a fight over who was getting it and it went into the fire :/19:50
sp3000oh, yes I can19:50
lardmandamn! :)19:50
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* sp3000 was using a bogus profile url19:50
sp3000Stskeeps: just the bad linkage19:50
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: should I hold off on trying a build then?19:53
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: yeah, just right now19:53
Stskeepsthere were more changes than i expected19:53
r2d2rogersone less excuse to put off work ;019:53
Stskeepsfeel free to check if you strip all the hildon packages and such from mer-foundation to see if you can get ubuntu going, always a good exersise19:56
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lardmananyone checked to see if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for Cortex?20:07
Stskeepsnot yet20:07
Stskeepsi'm busy unbreaking mer :P20:07
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lcuklardman, have you got 5.0 up and running yet20:14
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lardmanlcuk: no, been out all day20:18
lardmanlcuk: would like to do so asap though20:18
lardmanI need to look at Mer and how to build images the Debian way20:18
MeizirkkiStskeeps: can you get mer repo up soon?20:18
lcukyeah im gonna see how it sits inside the vmware thingy and if its not comfortable ill drag out the craptop20:18
StskeepsMeizirkki: it will take a while.. why?20:19
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StskeepsMeizirkki: i do have a zfs snapshot of the old repo though20:19
Stskeepswhat do you need from it?20:19
MeizirkkiI wanna install h-i-m etc. :P20:19
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Meizirkkiyou don't need to give me it20:20
Meizirkkii can live without :P20:20
Stskeepsit is running, the repo20:20
Stskeepsjust fyi20:20
Stskeepsit is just not that installable from scratch20:20
Stskeepscos all the l10n packages are wacked to hell20:20
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lardmansolca: ping20:21
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lardmanget well soon!20:27
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Stskeepsindeed, get well soon dude20:27
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lardmanStskeeps: where are the debootstrap files you guys use?20:33
Stskeepslardman: well since im pushing in fremantle sdk stuff atm, you can't bootstrap :P but,
Stskeepsi have a tar.gz but cant find the url just right now20:35
Stskeeps's generally meant to be possible to target all sorts of diff configurations20:35
lardmanyou're sticking in the Fremantle stuff which is what I wanted to do20:36
Stskeepswell right now an upgraded libhildon is nice20:36
Meizirkkitar.gz it somewhere around bsd.tspre.org20:36
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: it works now?20:36
Stskeepsnot yet.. :P20:36
Stskeepsbe patient20:36
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MeizirkkiThis libhildon i have, must be installed with --force-overwite20:42
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Meizirkkiis this the new one?20:42
Stskeepsno clue20:43
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Meizirkkiit's not20:43
Meizirkkiubuntu instead of mer so...20:44
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Stskeepsinteresting, libopenmax has a vorbis decoder20:50
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* lcuk throws a snowball @ Stskeeps 20:52
Meizirkkilcuk: where did you get snow? :P20:53
lcukforward thinking, i put some in the freezer20:53
lcuknow, i have a lot i was meant to do yesterday but then also so much thats been announced today20:54
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Knowledgeis it possible to run mplayer on 07HE?21:01
lcuktry it21:01
Knowledgebecause unless I'm retarded, it's not working (playing back files)21:01
lcukwhat would break if i setup a diablo machine to point at the sdk toolkit and did an update21:01
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Stskeepslcuk: boom? :P21:08
lcukheh didnt think anything else21:08
lardmanlcuk: let us know :)21:12
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, on the device? if in blue pill mode, nothing bad but if you are in red pill, as long as you know what you're updating, you should be fine21:14
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lardmanI guess some initfs tweaking will be needed too21:15
* lardman wonders what changes have been made to the omap2 code in the new kernel21:15
yergaI am installing fremantle glib/gtk/hildon in Diablo ;)21:15
lcukits ok ill leave it for now, im gonna try and get scratchbox running on the craptop, but since the 3d on my current 810 is better im not sure it will be worth it21:15
Stskeepslardman: well solca has a 2.6.28 running so21:15
lardmanand Fremantle is 2.6.27?21:15
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lardmanah ok21:16
lcuki might actually just start looking at clutter.  they havent used tidy have they21:16
Stskeepsi am actually surprised they ported hildon desktop from 4 to 521:17
Stskeepsthat's a nice gesture21:17
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lardmandsme is gone21:18
Stskeepsyeah, i know21:18
StskeepsOHM will replace it, and replace mce too21:18
Stskeepswhat i said all the time21:18
lardmanno ohm in the release though, yet21:19
* lcuk does the lotus position and starts meditating21:19
qwerty12_N800Sound constipated :p21:20
Stskeepslardman: it'll come they said21:20
lardmanjust thinking in the interim, keep dsme I guess21:20
lcuklet me get this straight: the ui is built ontop of clutter, not built directly on ogl21:21
Stskeepslcuk: sec21:21
lardmanlcuk: gtk with clutter components, those use opengl21:21
lardmansomething like that21:21
Stskeepslcuk: is full now21:21
lardmanmm, food time :)21:21
lcukyes, i realise that, but what i mean is a client app does not directly touch ogl21:22
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Stskeeps <- so who starts making OSS translations? :>21:28
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Stskeepsandre__: suggestion for statistic.. how many % of bugs were against open source components21:28
Stskeepscould be useful in the future21:29
qwerty12_N800i'll do east london and lcuk can do northerner21:29
andre__for that i'd have to know exactly what components are not open source :-)21:29
andre__but i agree, can be useful for argumentations21:29
Stskeeps"dude, fix it yourself"? ;>21:29
andre__hey, that's my standard answer on *any* report :-P21:30
lcukqwerty12_N800, you need ar eal londoner to do the east london translation, not some cheeky young upstart from the north21:30
qwerty12_N800grr :p21:30
timelesswhy did bug jar 34 hit planet twice?21:30
andre__because it's split now into platform and desktop21:31
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lcuktimeless, twice as many bugs?21:33
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sp3000mmm this talk of bugs is making me hungry21:35
qwerty12_N800~give sp3000 snails21:36
* infobot gives snails to sp300021:36
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* Meiz_n810 tries to make wlan work in Mer (again)21:48
RST38hAre there any naming conventions for desktop/statusbar plugins?21:51
StskeepsMeiz_n810: steps needed: cx3110x.ko (from deblet), and umac.ko from initfs, firmware 3826.arm in the firmware directory, chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal or something, ifconfig wlan0 up21:52
Stskeepsi -think-21:52
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i installed cx3110x-module, cx3110x-umac-module, udev, wlan-firmware, tablet-wireless from deblet repo... should make it?21:53
Meiz_n810wlan-cal is needed?21:53
Stskeepswhat does dmesg say and ifconfig -a21:56
Meiz_n810i'm in chroot now...21:56
Stskeepstry simply to ifconfig wlan0 up, and /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart21:56
Stskeepsin mer21:56
Stskeepsthere's a trick in deblet, network manager is patched towards liking cx3110x better21:57
Meiz_n810what about /etc/ini.d/tablet-wireless?21:57
Stskeepsdo a trick.. edit /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless and remove the # in front of ifconfig wlan0 up21:58
Stskeepsinstead of everything i just said21:58
Stskeepsif nm-applet doesnt activate it at first, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart22:00
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kebomix_Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request-ebooks Here :22:02
Stskeepskebomix_: .. again, this is a publically logged channel, you just showed your IP.. do you really want a bunch of copyright fanatics after you?22:02
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solcalardman: pong22:04
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Stskeepslo solca22:05
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Stskeepsevening qgi122:07
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solcaStskeeps: :P22:08
lcukhiya qgi1, come to hand out cigars :P22:08
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solcahe was pinging me just 1 hour ago22:08
solcahopefully is not night at the other end of the world22:08
qgi1hi there, reading the logs...22:08
Meiz_n810hi solca :)22:09
solcaMeiz_n810: hi!22:09
solcaI read your post about the gui rebooting22:09
Meiz_n810Wifi almost worked, no more file not founds22:09
solcahave you access to your nit now?22:09
Meiz_n810i am chatting from it22:09
solcahmm so you don't wanna reboot?22:10
* Stskeeps thinks Meiz is getting a thrill from all this testing of new stuff :P22:10
Meiz_n810solca: i can, but then i have to chat from my cellphone22:11
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lardmansolca: was going to ask if you'd looked at the new kernel code22:11
solcalardman: what new code?22:11
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lardmanhi qgi122:11
Stskeepssolca: fremantle pre-alpha sdk came out today22:11
Stskeepswith updated kernel code22:11
solcaMeiz_n810: ok just pushing you hehe but no prob22:11
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: wlan_cal failed when booting Mer :(22:12
solcaStskeeps: do you know if it ships with wifi code?22:12
Stskeepssolca: didn't look at it yet22:12
solcaStskeeps: no :(22:12
Stskeepsi've been buried in l10n for the most of the evening22:12
qgi1X-Fade: you wer wondering about Modest22:12
Meiz_n810solca: can you help me to get wlan working in android?22:13
solcaMeiz_n810: sure22:13
StskeepsMeiz_n810: hmm. is /mnt/initfs mounted?22:13
lardmanqgi1: same here22:13
qgi1there are many things that appear as "Removed" in the comparison table but this is just because they are still not there in this first SDK22:13
qgi1modest will be in fremantle22:13
solcalardman: will take a look if they have something useful22:13
Meiz_n810solca: wifi goes on but search fails.. any ideas? :P22:13
lardmansolca: :)22:13
solcaMeiz_n810: hmm probably wpa_supplicant22:14
solcaMeiz_n810: if you could run wpa_cli22:15
Meiz_n810solca: saw pastebin from logcat?22:15
solcaand do a 'scan' command22:15
solcafollowed by 'scan_results'22:15
solcaMeiz_n810: I'dont know why but pastebin is unaccessible from here right now22:15
solcaMeiz_n810: will try again22:16
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solcaMeiz_n810: no, I still can't access pastebin22:17
Meiz_n810solca: i cannot you computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P22:17
infobotMeiz_n810 meant: solca: i cannot use computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P22:17
solcaMeiz_n810: ok no problem, will investigate what is going on and maybe you can try tommorows (for you) new userspace22:18
Meiz_n810okay :P22:18
Meiz_n810if you only could see the pastebin :/22:19
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solcaMeiz_n810: can you paste the same thing to ther paste service?22:19
Meiz_n810hmm, i'll try22:19
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solcawow Maemo5 specs some impressive changes22:23
Stskeepsyeah, i'm looking forward to seeing it in action22:24
Stskeepsor right now, how libhildon works on n8x0 :P :P22:24
dMaggothello guys, I'm using the eclipse esbox plugin to code maemo applications, but when I try to run things it throws me the following error on dbus: process 20075: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory22:24
solcawill it work on N8x0?22:24
Stskeepsso far it compiles..22:24
dMaggotI'd pastebin the whole log but my connection is too slow right now22:25
solcaStskeeps: so mer was from maemo5 from the beginnings?22:25
Stskeepssolca: i've taken most of the stuff from svn, yeah22:25
Meiz_n810run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again22:25
solcadMaggot: pasting text is not bandwith intensive :P22:25
Stskeepsthey did stump me a bit with the huge leap in libhildon though22:25
Stskeepsbut i guess it was needed for marketing purposes22:25
Stskeepssolca: <- example widgets (not themed)22:26
Meiz_n810dMaggot: run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again22:26
dMaggotsolca: I can't reach www.pastebin.com22:26
solcaStskeeps: that looks pretty nice22:26
solcadMaggot: me too...22:27
qgi1Stskeeps: we get a lot of heat about any "new UI"22:27
dMaggotsolca: haha sorry I thought it was my connection XD22:27
Stskeepsqgi1: hehe, i mostly care for functionality, which is what the example widgets show22:27
Stskeepsand those look interesting22:27
qgi1even if all eyes are turned on S60 where the big numbers happen, if we would show Hildon+Clutter as they are we would probably generate 2 effects22:27
dMaggotMeiz_n810: thanks, that did the job22:28
Meiz_n810no prob :P22:28
qgi11) a lot of expectation around this humble alpha, Ari Jaaksi & our developers getting more questions and noise22:28
qgi12) comments about all the things that still don't work fine that we know (and you need the time of those devs to polish)22:29
Stskeepsnot theming isn't a fault, it's an pre-alpha afterall22:29
qgi1this is why it was decided to release that later, when the whole thing is more solid and convincing at first sight22:29
qgi1as a side effect, and as you have noted, the Diablo UI is now ported to Fremantle22:29
Stskeepsyup, much grateful22:30
qgi1(you can invite mostly Kimmo Hamalainen to a beer when you find him)  :)22:30
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Stskeepsi'll remember that at next summit ;)22:30
solcaStskeeps: and do you know what booting mechanics will the use now?22:31
Stskeepssolca: so far it points to no initfs22:31
Stskeepssolca: besides that we don't know much22:31
Stskeepswe'll have to wait for the .. alpha sdk :)22:31
solcaStskeeps: hopefully they ship with kexec enabled kernel22:32
Stskeepssolca: your selector will definately be of good use on n8x0 atleast22:32
solcaStskeeps: do you know if they plan to release a maemo5 backport to n8x0?22:33
solcaor thats why Mer exists?22:33
Stskeepssolca: no, that was announced today there won't be official one, but nokia seems to be highly interested in helping out with backport efforts22:33
qgi1no initfs (but don't ask me more because I simply don't know) But asking Eero Tamminen in maemo-developers should be enough to know more since there are no secret there22:33
Stskeeps(there's a larger thread on it on iTT)22:33
Stskeepsqgi1: yeah, think i read it in a bugreport somewhere22:34
qgi1me too, but can't recall which one Stskeeps22:34
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: wlan-cal:
StskeepsMeiz_n810: is that inside Mer? ..22:34
timelessanyone here have skype?22:34
Meiz_n810thats mer in chroot, but it's exatcly same what i saw in fb-console22:35
* timeless is looking for some vulnteer to chase a bug22:35
timelesshi quim22:35
StskeepsMeiz_n810: mer in chroot definately wont work with that :P22:35
timelessquim: i guess i responded too late for you22:35
solcaStskeeps: how you plan to cope with clutter which seems need hw gl accel?22:35
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: the same thing happens when i boot into it22:35
qgi1timeless: since the answer was right it was not too late since I have done the change already - thanks!22:35
Stskeepssolca: so far maemo sw has been wonderful and ported diablo UI to maemo 5 :)22:36
timelessoh cool22:36
Stskeepsso we can do without the flashy stuff right now22:36
Stskeepssolca: you should give input on the bug qgil posted about kexec and your successes22:36
solcaStskeeps: diablo UI to a maemo 5 env or maemo 5 gui in sw rendering mode?22:36
Stskeepssolca: .. let me just phrase this correctly, sec :)22:37
solcaqgi1: where is the bug report?22:37
Stskeepssolca: [21:34] <qgi1> Stskeeps:
Stskeepssolca: <= diablo UI is hildon-desktop, >= fremantle is probably something else22:37
Stskeepsbut diablo UI works in fremantle, it seems, so22:38
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solcaStskeeps: ok I get it, have you tried fremantle in sw rendering mode (if possible)22:39
Stskeepssolca: that part of fremantle isn't out yet, so22:39
Stskeepsthe new UI isn't in this pre-alpha so22:39
Stskeepscan't test22:39
Stskeepsi'm happy if we get a diablo on steroids, really22:40
qgi1yerga had some fun with the widgets...22:40
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: so, what's the command i should add to /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless, that it would mount initfs better22:40
StskeepsMeiz_n810: it really wonders me why it isn't mounted..22:41
qgi1yerga was probably one of the few Maemo hackers on holiday today22:41
* lcuk cries at using a mouse to simulate touch22:41
Stskeepslook for /tmp/dsmesock or something22:41
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it is, because wlan-cal starts22:41
StskeepsMeiz_n810: that's true22:41
Meiz_n810there is just nothing in /mnt/initfs/sys22:41
StskeepsMeiz_n810: i'll hack at it a bit when i have hildon going again22:42
Stskeepshope that's alright for now22:42
solcaMeiz_n810: /sys is a ramfs which needs to be mounted22:42
Stskeepsyeah, and the script should mount it for us22:42
Meiz_n810tablet-wireless mounts it22:42
Stskeepsunless it's not mounted yet when tablet-wireless in run22:42
Meiz_n810i'll keep trying.. :)22:42
Stskeepsmake sure /tmp/dsmesock exists22:42
qgi1RST38h:  "Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?"22:43
qgi1not at this point, but if we can really get it in shape......22:43
qgi1a problem here is that we use the very same SB1 based SDK for internal development and change it at this point of the release is pretty risky22:44
qgi1even if the SDK+ based on SB2 is in good shape22:44
qgi1but I'd definitely recommend you to use it when you start getting serious in Fremantle development22:44
qgi1feedback is welcome!22:45
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lcukqgi1, :P you killed the chan, insert 1euro to continue. :D22:47
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Stskeepsqgi1: so far i'm personally satisfied with the pre-alpha :)22:48
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ShadowJKhm, why this hate on initfs?22:48
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timelessa pain for maintenance/upgrades22:48
timelessand inconsistency w/ the rest of the world22:49
Stskeepsbut absolutely lovable when things go wrong22:49
ShadowJKStskeeps, yes, precisely22:49
qwerty12_N800initfs is the shit. tbh, a lot of maemo is inconsistent...22:49
qgi1Stskeeps: the first wave of feedback seems to be mostly good22:49
Stskeepseither that or kernel should be able to boot through usb cable from some app  :P22:50
Stskeepsor from mmc22:50
qgi1looking for more comments from upstream developers, or those knowing well the upstream components22:50
qgi1since this pre-alpha is partially for them also22:50
solcaStskeeps: I update the bug report, kexec should be included in next Nokia kernels22:51
Stskeepssolca: alright, let's see if we get any response :P22:52
* Stskeeps waits on hildon-control-panel building22:53
Stskeepsso need to get sb2 going using m-vo's thoughts..22:53
lardmanqwerty12_N800: did you get GMP to compile?22:54
lardmanqwerty12_N800: I saw this: and tried downgrading to that version, but same error22:54
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qwerty12_N800lardman, don't think I did22:54
Khertan_n810Hello !22:54
lcukyo! khertan22:54
lardmanhey khertan22:54
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Stskeepswb meiz22:55
Meiz_n810no luck :(22:55
lcukKhertan_n810, quick q, how are you gonna test and dev on device?   are we both gonna have to carry desktops on the train with us22:56
Khertan_n810gnié ?22:56
Khertan_n810i dev on device ? why do you think we will need to carry desktop ?22:57
lardmanqwerty12_N800: bug #246522:58
lcuktsk, yes you work on your device dont you? or have you moved onto your laptop now22:58
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qwerty12_N800lardman, will check in a min..22:58
Khertan_n810nope still on n810 :)22:58
Khertan_n810i don t have any laptop22:58
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it said something about blocks and sizes in the middle of failedmessages22:59
lcukjust like me :)22:59
StskeepsMeiz_n810: k, so HAL22:59
Stskeepswas it still dsmesock problem?22:59
Meiz_n810dsmesock exists22:59
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Meiz_n810same problem what i pasted, but withsome block size messages23:00
Khertan_n810lcuk> why this question ?23:00
lardmanqwerty12_N800: looks like there's a work-around anyway23:00
lardmanqwerty12_N800: will test in a mo, if this version fails...23:00
lcukcos i wanna play with new toys23:00
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Khertan_n810which toys ?23:02
qgi1Stskeeps & GeneralAntilles , about DSME and Ohm I honestly think the only reason for delays are the deliveries they owe to the Fremantle program23:02
qwerty12_N800lardman, cool, can't wait to see your qcalculate port ;P23:02
Khertan_n810sony vaio ux are great23:02
Stskeepsqgi1: hehe, i figured as much23:02
qgi1kernel ans system software teams are working at 200% these weeks23:02
Stskeepsi'm looking forward to it :)23:03
Khertan_n810hi qgil23:03
qgi1allo messir23:03
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qgi1(my rotten French)23:03
qgi1GeneralAntilles "I think the alpha may still be coming in December."23:04
qgi1nah, most probably a next load will come after New Year23:04
lardmanqwerty12_N800: going to see if giac/xcas will work this time too23:06
qgi1Soumya (she doesn't drink beer but you can invite her to any fresh juice) is the first one willing to have the alpha in place since then the process of automatic weekly releases can start: more releases and less work for her team23:07
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konttori_ah nice. we have published the alpha sdk. good!23:10
konttori_by the way, tracker will also receive a new version in the upstream that will be synced with the maemo version23:11
Khertan_n810i ll look at it tomorrow23:11
konttori_it will be 0.6.9.x series23:11
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Stskeepssolca: with 770 you will run into not having wifi (so far)..23:19
solcaStskeeps: somebody is porting stlc45xx to 770 on the mailing list23:20
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Stskeepsyeah, i knwo23:22
Stskeepsjust that it isnt here here and now :)23:22
solcaStskeeps: right, running android on 770 would be overkill IMO23:23
Stskeepsyeah.. we'll see how well even mer runs :P23:23
Stskeepsprobably murders it horribly23:24
Stskeepswe did kill one 770 in porting deblet23:24
solcaStskeeps: define kill, brick it?23:24
Stskeepswell it was indirect..23:24
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Stskeepsguy wired up his own usb power23:24
Stskeepsand got it a bit wrong .. :)23:24
Stskeepsso, kill23:25
solcaStskeeps: casualties kills hehe23:25
Stskeepsat least it's not hosting companies like with my previous open source project23:25
Stskeepsthey seemed to go bankrupt/close right after they donated us web space23:25
solcahehe and what you end doing, relocating your project?23:26
Stskeepsyep. and appreciating backups.23:26
* solca is feeling an indirect...23:27
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* Stskeeps ponders how to organize the mer project23:29
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* solca is exploring the new SDK kernel23:29
Stskeepsanything interesting?23:29
solcanot so far23:29
Stskeepsnothing wifi related i presume23:29
* Meiz_n810 is re-installing Mer (Surprise!)23:29
qgi1 got the multimedia framework called "Ohm"...23:30
Meiz_n810there was something fucked up in the rootf23:30
Stskeepsqgi1: yeah.. i pointed that out to Reggie23:30
Stskeepsit's a good name for a multimedia framework, though23:30
* timeless ponders23:30
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timelessso, the maemo sdk suggests i can deduct stuff from make23:30
Stskeepsbut also for a power management framework, as it actually is :P23:30
* timeless wants to deduct 200hours from make23:31
timeless(just for this week)23:31
StskeepsMeiz_n810: .. repo still in flux, may break, etc23:32
Stskeeps.. probably will break since it's still recompiling hildon-desktop to work with the new files23:33
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: that does't matter :P23:33
Stskeepsok :P23:33
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it will be compiled before i get that far23:33
Stskeepscame to your senses and made a tar.gz copy? :P23:33
Stskeepsthough i wouldn't bet on it23:34
Meiz_n810tar.gz copy?23:34
Meiz_n810of the rootfs?23:34
Stskeepsso you dont have to reinstall all over all the time23:34
Meiz_n810i'll think about it... :P23:34
qgi1ok, it's been a long day - enjoy Fremantle!23:35
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Marzecquick question: is there a way to increase the cache of the media player?23:37
Stskeepsgot your tablet resurrected?23:37
Marzecyes works perfectly fine thanks to all the helpful souls in this channel23:38
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Marzecthe mplayer port seems to not work with mms so im stuck with the gstreamer based media player which sucks at streaming due to a to small cache i guess23:40
solcaStskeeps: nothing interesting there, anyway will make a kernel and see how it behaves with n81023:41
Marzecgoogle doesn't give any hints so i was hoping someone in here has a trick up his sleeves23:41
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solcaStskeeps: on the other side could be interesting know if Nokia plans to use the mac80211 with their new proprietary drivers (if any)23:42
solcaor if it will ship with open wifi?23:42
Stskeepssolca: is there really any other choice? :P23:42
solcaStskeeps: sure, just code a proprietary drivers that just export wireless extension API23:43
* suihkulokki thinks solca is not looking very closely23:43
solcasuihkulokki: please point me in the right direction :P23:44
* suihkulokki points all around the diff.gz file :P23:45
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solcasuihkulokki: my bad... thx!!23:45
Stskeepsoh, ubifs, neat23:46
Stskeepsmore confirmation it's called rx51.. rx51_defconfig23:46
solcahmm rx51 hardware23:47
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solcarx51: omap34xx based23:48
solcawl12xx = mac8021123:49
Stskeeps Import Imagination PowerVR services kernel mode tree.. hmm23:49
solcawl12xx uses mac80211 neat!!23:49
lardmanis that an open chipset?23:49
lardmanor the same as we have atm?23:50
StskeepsTI chipset?23:50
Stskeeps" OMAP: Add audio endpoint and route to FM TX chip in Nokia RX51"23:50
lardmanhmm, FM output?23:51
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Stskeepsseems so23:51
suihkulokkilike solca said, nothing interesting there, move along :P23:51
solcasuihkulokki: :P yea, it even pack some n8x0 fixes23:52
StskeepsRX51: Enable leds-twl4030-vibra and led-triggers in23:52
lardmansolca: that's interesting23:52
StskeepsRX51: enable the CMT speech driver <- .. no idea what that is23:53
lardmancan drive vibration driver23:53
Stskeeps  * I2C: add support for lis302dl accelometer driver23:56
Stskeepsoo <323:56
Stskeepsi'm going to hug someone from nokia soon23:56
Stskeeps+  * Add support for "audio -" (KEY_F8) and "audio +" (KEY_F7) keys.?23:57
solcasi4713 v4l2 radio transmitter ?23:57
solcarx51 hwmon, finally sane monitoring23:59
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