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| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48 | 00:07 |
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| konttori_ | hmmm. youtube is so slow to process files | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | I've been waiting 30 mins to publish a blog post | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | depressing | 00:10 |
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| konttori_ | Hahaa! ukmp 1.8 out! http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Looks good :) | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | thumbs up. :) | 00:18 |
| rm_you | is canola currently broken? | 00:19 |
| rm_you | or just me >_> | 00:19 |
| RST38h | it's ok | 00:19 |
| konttori_ | thanks | 00:19 |
| rm_you | great just me then | 00:19 |
| rm_you | excellent | 00:20 |
| RST38h | but you have to uninstall extras devel version | 00:20 |
| rm_you | AttributeError: 'TerraConfig' object has no attribute 'app_name' in File "core/main/controller.py", line 287, in _setup_view | 00:20 |
| rm_you | thoughts? | 00:20 |
| rm_you | never had devel on my tablet :/ | 00:20 |
| RST38h | weird | 00:20 |
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| RST38h | you config files may be corrupted | 00:21 |
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| rm_you | k just removed them | 00:21 |
| rm_you | no change | 00:21 |
| rm_you | .canola and .atabake | 00:21 |
| rm_you | oh well don't have time to deal with this at the moment | 00:22 |
| rm_you | hopefully mediabox still works | 00:22 |
| rm_you | bbl | 00:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has no time for graphical music players :\ | 00:23 | |
| qnr-lt | I'm starting to get really annoyed at this. Something that I'm installing is screwing up the boot process. | 00:24 |
| qnr-lt | Unfortunately, I tend to install a lot of things at once, so I have no idea what it is :/ | 00:25 |
| * qnr-lt wanders off to see if there is an appropriate bug | 00:25 | |
| qnr-lt | applicable bug even | 00:25 |
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| qnr-lt | gonna have to write a script to reinstall everything to mmc2, this is becoming so regular | 00:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good lord | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That thread is out of control. | 00:40 |
| konttori_ | what thread | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another Mark Haury mess on maemo-users | 00:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, it's sort of funny if you can keep your distance and manage not to get worked up over it. . . . http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-November/023123.html | 00:42 |
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| konttori_ | yeah, well, I agree that if people close repos, it would be nice to upload all of the packages to extras | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | on that subject, as a backup plan, would it be possible to setup a hoovering up mirror which just sucked everything from a specific mirror before its brought down? | 00:44 |
| konttori_ | that would be great | 00:45 |
| konttori_ | but, the signing mechanism is probably the reason why that is hard | 00:45 |
| lcuk | but its a big job and would need someone on staff to manage it | 00:45 |
| lcuk | most stuff is unsigned | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and extras no longer requires it | 00:45 |
| konttori_ | it doesn't require signing? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | not any more | 00:46 |
| konttori_ | phew! so great! | 00:46 |
| lcuk | big announcement a couple of weeks ago :) | 00:46 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:46 |
| lcuk | about 3 days after i had fecked around and gone round the houses to get it setup and signed | 00:46 |
| lcuk | it was such a ballache | 00:46 |
| * konttori_ doesn't have to manually calculate md5 sums, edit changes files and sign manually. | 00:46 | |
| lcuk | sounds about like my experience | 00:46 |
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| konttori_ | yeah. I hated every second of it. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | though im sure it involved printing the binary out, taking a photo of it on a wooden table, scannign it in and emailing it | 00:47 |
| konttori_ | Now I'll probably upload ukmp 1.8 pretty soon to repos | 00:47 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:47 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: did you notice that I finally deemed that the current code is good enough to be 1.8 - http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 00:47 |
| lcuk | ooOOooo "Mind you, the optimal hand is left hand." | 00:48 |
| konttori_ | it's nowhere near the smoothness of your code, but I really like it usability wise now. | 00:48 |
| lcuk | gonna grab it | 00:48 |
| lcuk | doesnt matter, i went very far off piste and scared folks :) im trying to clean it up and see which "nice" library i can slot it under | 00:49 |
| lcuk | but tbh, for right now i want to use it to build some apps ;) | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, and most people do! | 00:49 |
| konttori_ | yeah. qbase apps will be so cool | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But this particular repo owner decided that the package wasn't useful anymore and didn't. | 00:50 |
| lcuk | i hope theres still a landscape mode, i use my wooden crate and its not often sideways | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | What did the jerk on the mailing list do first? OF COURSE! Accuse Nokia of some sort of conspiracy. | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that ALWAYS option #1 for me when I want help. <_< | 00:50 |
| konttori_ | yeah. it's all nokias fault | 00:50 |
| lcuk | konttori_, are you using xrandr for the rotation? | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, can we not put UXMP in non-free this time around? :) | 00:51 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: nope | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Making the repository lie isn't very kind. | 00:51 |
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| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: sure... If I figure out how to make the src package | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 00:51 |
| infobot | somebody said upload-extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 00:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | konttori_, is it debianised or do you make a deb manually? | 00:52 |
| konttori_ | I use dpkg-build to make the package | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: told you that thread could go nuclear :P | 00:53 |
| konttori_ | so, only theme packages are really crafted manually in theme maker code | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm ready for the nuclear option. | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mark and sebastian have clearly both long since passed the marker for acceptable mailing list behavior | 00:53 |
| konttori_ | ah, nope. I'm using dpkg-deb | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we have a code of conduct page for the list? | 00:54 |
| lcuk | right, bbl | 00:54 |
| lcuk | konttori_, get it in extras ;) | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i was just about to suggest a code of conduct of maemo community members.. | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:54 |
| konttori_ | thanks ga for teh web upload link. I've been waiting for it for a long time | 00:55 |
| konttori_ | I didn't know it existed | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | konttori_, grab a source package of a python app and steal the debianisations :P. Actually, i debianised a python app for someone recently (bearing in mind i'm not the best packager) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/battery-graph.tar.bz2 | 00:56 |
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| konttori_ | thanks. i'll test it out tomorrow | 00:57 |
| konttori_ | I just noticed that I do have dpkg-buildpackage on my osx | 00:57 |
| konttori_ | So, I might be able to get the src package out somehow | 00:58 |
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| dsample | Hi | 01:00 |
| gentooer | hi | 01:01 |
| Myrtti | pft. | 01:01 |
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| dsample | I've got an issue with my N800. I haven't used it in about a week, the battery ran out, and having plugged it in for almost the whole afternoon it still doesn't respond to the power button being pressed | 01:02 |
| dsample | if I plug the power in it lights up showing the Nokia brandmark, then goes blank, lights up the blue d-pad light, then lights up the screen again with the brandmark, then goes blank | 01:03 |
| dsample | I can't see any battery icon on the screen though | 01:03 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the issue you were writing about on forum sometime? | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, about the NOLO bug? No. | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | yerga, I knew there was a link somewhere to that page. . . . | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dsample, is the charger working? i went through 4/5 broken chargers which gave my n800 the same symptoms which you are experiencing now before finding a charger that works | 01:05 |
| dsample | qwerty12_N800: well, it works with all my other devices | 01:05 |
| konttori_ | Stskeeps: you might want to remove the battery, put it back in and try to boot the device again | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | konttori_: dsample is the one who has the issue :) | 01:06 |
| * Stskeeps 's tablet is standing proud and working currently | 01:06 | |
| konttori_ | ah. oh. | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dsample, nokia phones? does it take a few minutes for the phone to realise the charger is in? | 01:06 |
| dsample | konttori_: I've tried that, tried for about 10 seconds, do I need to leave it off for longer? | 01:06 |
| konttori_ | Nope | 01:07 |
| dsample | qwerty12_N800: yes, Nokia phones, works straight away | 01:07 |
| konttori_ | You might want to try to reflash then | 01:07 |
| konttori_ | sounds like something is horribly wong | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | dsample: sometimes popping battery, putting it in, clicking power and -then- charger helps with me | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | (i managed to get a little too low on battery) :P | 01:07 |
| konttori_ | hmm... my blog isn't aggregated to planet maemo. odd. | 01:08 |
| konttori_ | otoh, it was published only moments ago | 01:08 |
| konttori_ | so, perhaps there's just a delay | 01:08 |
| dsample | Stskeeps: what, my N800's joined the masons and now has a funny handshake to get it on? :P | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, it is, it just takes a while to update: http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:a92c474e7b83a19eb5ea3d097fbe66bc/ | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | dsample: sentience, maybe | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it updates once an hour. | 01:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the mailing lists can do short-term bans. | 01:11 |
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| Myrtti | there seems to be an old thread on the ITT about power problems with N800 after the battery has been fully drained. | 01:13 |
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| Proteous | yeah, once the battery is dead it won't turn on | 01:14 |
| Proteous | time to buy a charger | 01:14 |
| Myrtti | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2673 | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, that's not related. | 01:16 |
| Myrtti | *shrug* | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wont see _any_ activity until it actually boots. | 01:16 |
| Myrtti | oh well... | 01:16 |
| Myrtti | true | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was a NOLO timing issue with certain OMAP builds. | 01:16 |
| Myrtti | time for getting glögi | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | This sounds like funky hardware | 01:16 |
| * Myrtti gives a mug for GeneralAntilles | 01:16 | |
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| dsample | hmmm, although my chargers work with my phones, I got the one out of the N800 box and that's managed to start charging it | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm actually old enough to drink legally, too. Woo! <_< | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, 21? | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, yeah, last month. | 01:17 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: mine is non-alcoholic | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still creeps me right the hell out. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, even better! | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, cool. 18 over here. BRAPP | 01:18 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: ... I feel old. | 01:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't really drink. :P | 01:18 | |
| Myrtti | *bweee* *bweee* Miia is having her age crisis again, stay back | 01:18 |
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| Myrtti | "when I was young, we had beige Ericsson dial phones with the dial ring" | 01:20 |
| Myrtti | "none of these modern day gadgets" | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: drinking age all the time here, just limited when you can buy (16), and get served (18) :P | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, haha, lol, like with cigarettes here, you can smoke under 18 legally, just can't buy them | 01:23 |
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| soap | where is that? | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | .dk | 01:30 |
| soap | no kidding? Such a silly law. ;) | 01:31 |
| soap | no - I meant the cigs thing - UK huh? | 01:31 |
| soap | silly silly silly. | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, the UK :\ | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like some gun laws here. | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can buy a handgun at 18, but you can't buy ammo for a handgun until you're 21 | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless, of course, you're using that handgun ammo in one of the many rifles that use it, then you're OK. ;) | 01:33 |
| * Myrtti stays silent about the Finnish gun laws | 01:35 | |
| * dsample can't remember the terminal command for checking the real value of the battery charge | 01:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | dsample, technically, there isn't one. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least not by default | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | lshal may give some info | 01:36 |
| * Proteous thinks the term "real value" when refering to battery charge is a lie | 01:36 | |
| Stskeeps | and then there's always ftd or something | 01:36 |
| dsample | hmmm, a friend told me something like dbus... | 01:37 |
| dsample | gave a number upto 15000 | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, well, there's another 30% available or so at "0%". | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | dsample, try this, though: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dsample, an ugly way, lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme | 01:38 |
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| dsample | hmmm, there was definitely a shell command (without installing stuff) that watched for events on the UI, you set it going, then tap the battery and it printed a load of info about the battery | 01:44 |
| dsample | I'm sure it was dbus something | 01:44 |
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| dsample | found it... dbus-monitor --system | 01:48 |
| dsample | then once that's running tap the battery | 01:48 |
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| Stskeeps | "tap"? :P | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's usually easier to lshal and look at the battery values, it goes up to 15000 one of the :P | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | lshal | grep battery | 01:49 |
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| dsample | Stskeeps: too much output | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | |grep battery.remaining_time i believe | 02:01 |
| Stskeeps | or battery.reporting.current | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | top is 1555 there | 02:02 |
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| z4chh | hey guys, i was wondering if brand really matters for 16gb sdhc for my n800...for example http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=16gb+SDHC&x=0&y=0 ...what exactly should I buy? my instict is of course cheapest prices with class 6 speed | 04:13 |
| soap | not in my humble opinion. A class 6 is a class 6 | 04:14 |
| z4chh | so buy that 25$ a-data? | 04:15 |
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| z4chh | you'd* | 04:15 |
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| soap | is it a class 6? | 04:16 |
| soap | don't look at the photo - those are wrong sometimes, look at the specs. | 04:16 |
| soap | and I don't see the spec in writing - I'd ask customer service. | 04:17 |
| z4chh | o_o | 04:18 |
| z4chh | yeah hah | 04:18 |
| z4chh | i don't see anything abou it..that is bananas | 04:18 |
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| z4chh | bloody, bloody bonkers that is :\ | 04:21 |
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| soap | I only mention it because I saw another card today where the photo claimed 10MB/S write and numerous comments said that is not what they got. | 04:25 |
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| soap | and they said the response by newegg was "the photo is provided by the manufacturer, the specs are gospel." | 04:26 |
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| z4chh | thanks soap | 04:28 |
| z4chh | ill remember what you said by this "check the soap before you wash" :D | 04:29 |
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| soap | You in Bowling Green? | 04:50 |
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| z4chh | soap? | 05:00 |
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| soap | yes? | 05:38 |
| soap | z4chh, I only ask because I am in Columbus. | 05:38 |
| bef0rd | hi | 05:47 |
| z4chh | i live near Dayton, Ohio | 05:53 |
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| makak | Hi ! | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, it's our fault for the flamewar. | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that'll end it, anyway. | 06:14 |
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| jmspeex | can anyone tell me what "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" means (from flasher-3.0) and why that left me with a bricked N800? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually bricked? | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just "bricked"? | 06:18 |
| jmspeex | "bricked" | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try flashing again? | 06:18 |
| jmspeex | same result | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 06:19 |
| jmspeex | Just after the sending initrf, I get "Write failed after 0 bytes" and then the "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" | 06:20 |
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| qnr-lt | <sigh> I'm wasting way too many hours on this, I hope I don't get pissed and throw my N800 against the wall | 08:01 |
| qnr-lt | I just can't figure out what is causing the stupid thing to continually reboot | 08:02 |
| qnr-lt | stupid in an "it's frustrating" sense, I don't really think it's stupid | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reflash? | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly there's something wrong | 08:06 |
| qnr-lt | well, actually the flash works ok, it's mmc2 | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then re-clone | 08:06 |
| qnr-lt | I've done it about 18 times, and used known good backups.... it works fine until I install "something" either manually or from the backups | 08:07 |
| qnr-lt | and I never know what does it, because it doesn't start until the first power up after the installs | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure it's not a broken SD card? | 08:08 |
| qnr-lt | well, it could be, but fsck doesn't show anything | 08:09 |
| qnr-lt | I'll give that a try, but IIRC, this is actually the second SD Card I've tried (it gets jumbled after 18-20 time | 08:10 |
| qnr-lt | s | 08:10 |
| qnr-lt | part of the confusion is due to the fact that I've also repartitioned and reformatted the a couple of times, just in case - might have been one card or two <shrug> | 08:12 |
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| citylights | hi , I am taking a java course and wanted to use my N800 | 10:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | jalimo | 10:55 |
| citylights | I downloaded cacao | 10:55 |
| citylights | when I run javac Main.java I get an error | 10:55 |
| citylights | sorry I downloaded jailmo | 10:56 |
| citylights | /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | You can't run a "pc" program on the N800's processor. | 10:57 |
| citylights | hi qwerty | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | hi citylights | 10:57 |
| citylights | hi qwerty | 10:58 |
| citylights | hi qwerty I really like to do the chores on my device | 10:58 |
| makak | hi | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | I'd like to help you but I know jack all when it comes to java on the tablets :/ | 10:58 |
| RST38h | citylight: please do "file /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao" and tell us what it prints | 10:59 |
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| * RST38h asks the Great Cthulhu to harvest the last remaining Java fanatics and eat their brains...wait, what? No brains? Go for the liver then. | 11:00 | |
| citylights | file not found ... | 11:00 |
| citylights | btw I am at the java class NOW | 11:00 |
| RST38h | citylights: Please, relay my prayer to your instructor. It will make him feel better, trust me. | 11:01 |
| citylights | ok, I will try to reinstall and have cacao on my device. | 11:01 |
| RST38h | Anyways, you can't have a "syntax error" message from a file that does not exist, so something is wrong | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, the program file isn't installed | 11:02 |
| citylights | we are at double=5.0/2.0 | 11:02 |
| RST38h | Are you typing "file /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao" on the same device where you tried running it? | 11:02 |
| citylights | yes I m | 11:02 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: He can't be getting syntax errors from it then | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, no no, /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao exists, /usr/bin/file doesn't | 11:02 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Well it exists on my tablet | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, that's because you installed it | 11:02 |
| RST38h | just checked before telling him | 11:02 |
| RST38h | No I did not | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | Installed emelfm2 or midnight commander? | 11:03 |
| RST38h | yea | 11:03 |
| RST38h | that was it? | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | You installed file. | 11:03 |
| RST38h | citylights: ok, install mc | 11:03 |
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| citylights | min | 11:04 |
| citylights | cafe break brb | 11:08 |
| citylights | /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, stripped | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | Not going to run on the N800, the N800 uses an ARM processor | 11:10 |
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| RST38h | citylights: Ok, does this answer your question about why it does not run? | 11:10 |
| citylights | ovcourse | 11:14 |
| citylights | was a bit lazy I guess | 11:15 |
| citylights | brb | 11:16 |
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| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: (if you are not sleeping), do you have any idea why my blog post still hasn't been aggregated? | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, well, the other option is that Planet could simply be broken. :P | 11:25 |
| konttori_ | wow, you never sleep! | 11:26 |
| konttori_ | do you have idea whom to contact about the planet? | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's that horrible college thing, it does bad thing to your schedule. ;) | 11:26 |
| konttori_ | Oh! Yeah. That thing! | 11:26 |
| konttori_ | enjoy the college reality distortion field! | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 11:27 |
| RST38h | while you can, yes | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, well, your feed seems fine, so it's probably planet. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/atom.xml | 11:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, either file a bug or harass X-Fade or bergie about it I guess. | 11:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, al | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | +l | 11:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Jaffa. | 11:53 |
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| t_s_o | there are times i wish that there was a notification when the wifi was turned of based on the timeout. specifically when im writing up a forum post or similar only to discover it after i have hit reply... | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | A banner might not be terrible. | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enhancement request? | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (with a preference setting, hopefully) | 12:56 |
| t_s_o | will probably only show up in fremantle anyways... | 12:57 |
| konttori_ | X-Fade: Any chance you could run the planet synchronisation ? My blog isn't getting aggregated (well, latest post isn't) | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | konttori_, mornin, any chance you can post the .deb to ukmp, your pic last night might have encouraged me about something ;) | 13:18 |
| konttori_ | Sure. the link is on the blog post | 13:19 |
| konttori_ | I'm adding the exit button at the moment. | 13:19 |
| konttori_ | So, I'll release and update later today | 13:20 |
| konttori_ | and I'll try to also add a bit to the unstability issue. | 13:20 |
| lcuk810 | heh, ill go the long way then and pm myself | 13:20 |
| konttori_ | (which is gstreamer releated) | 13:20 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4906/ukmp-1.80_all.deb | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | konttori_, Why do you copy the files with a .py extension to ones without? | 13:22 |
| konttori_ | umm... because my build scrip sucks so bad? | 13:22 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 13:23 |
| konttori_ | I could take a look at fixing that at some point. | 13:23 |
| konttori_ | actually, I think I have solved it already, just not fixed to the postinst. | 13:23 |
| konttori_ | I always find something more interesting / fun to do than fix the scripts. | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, you haven't seen my changelog for gftp... | 13:24 |
| konttori_ | fix the scripts or take out the garbage? ... tough one... let's take out the garbage. Then wash the dishes | 13:25 |
| lcuk | mmmm still same issue as last time ;) i havent got enough albums to be kinetic | 13:26 |
| * qwerty12 goes for tracks more rather than albus | 13:26 | |
| lcuk | i like the portraitness | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | *albums even | 13:27 |
| lcuk | and the large gutter around the tracklisting lets you use it without accidentally clicking :D | 13:27 |
| konttori_ | Ah. I'll try to fix today also the support to work better when user has only a few albums | 13:28 |
| lcuk | it works | 13:28 |
| lcuk | and dont fix the gutter ;) | 13:29 |
| konttori_ | Ah. does it position the items correctly / in a way that makes sense | 13:29 |
| konttori_ | nope, I planned to leave gutter | 13:29 |
| konttori_ | I've been thinking about leaving it only on one side though | 13:29 |
| konttori_ | but, let's see. | 13:29 |
| lcuk | heh i've been thinking about it for other things | 13:31 |
| lcuk | rotation angle is 180deg from what i expect | 13:31 |
| konttori_ | Hmm... Now shuffle looking as it should, close button is in the right place (and works). Next I need to add the kill any previous lingering instances of ukmp on startup. | 13:31 |
| lcuk | good thing though about your rotation (apart from a coding perspective) is that it doesnt require a kernel update | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screen updates take place in the wrong direction, though. | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything would be so easy if Nokia would just ship two small patches. | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They don't even need to expose anything in the UI | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just one small kernel patch and one small Xomap patch. . . . | 13:33 |
| lcuk | you know the tearing "grain" rotates when you use xrandr rotation it changes this and the grain then tears along with it (less noticable) | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, exactly what I said. :P | 13:34 |
| lcuk | yes :P but you didnt explain why | 13:35 |
| lcuk | konttori_, it doesnt run rotated (can't talk, libase doesnt either ;)) | 13:35 |
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| oli-n800 | hi, can maemo mapper calculate routes? | 13:42 |
| * aquatix loves http://wiki.maemo.org/TabletDeath#Reasons_Why_Internet_Tablets_Will_Die | 13:43 | |
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| oli-n800 | anyone? can i enter 2 cities and get route | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | oli-n800, presumably you're on an N800, no? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu in Maemo Mapper. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Routes | 13:47 |
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| oli-n800 | yep, i am | 13:48 |
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| oli-n800 | GeneralAntilles, but can it work like google maps ex. from paris to berlin and i get complete route with description | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an option to download a route in the menu. | 13:51 |
| lcuk | tabletdeath needs real reasons | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | flying zombie death | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should add a section on the zombie apocalypse. | 13:53 |
| lcuk | i have done | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | Why Is Everything In Proper Case? | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, RST38h has apparently got a bad habit about that. :P | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free to fix it. | 13:56 |
| lcuk | konttori_, using ukmp with 810 on its stand reminds me of this: http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/125/image001fo8.gif | 13:56 |
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| lcuk | ive just added my own :) | 13:56 |
| oli-n800 | GeneralAntilles, thanks a lot ;) I'm owner of tablet for 3 days so I'll ask some more obvious questions ;) | 13:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | oli-n800, bookmark this: http://fragostech.com/MaemoMapper/ | 13:57 |
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| aquatix | any idea why maemo mapper does not find my n810 gps receiver? | 13:58 |
| qwerty12_ | Bluetooth with no address | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 13:58 |
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| aquatix | ...bluetooth? | 13:59 |
| aquatix | it's built-in | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's how gpsd has to be started. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Inelegant and weird, but so it goes. | 14:00 |
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| konttori_ | lcuk: very nice poem. I love it! | 14:00 |
| konttori_ | luck: you can run it in rotated mode by changing the variable: DISPLAY_ROTATE | 14:01 |
| konttori_ | The, it *should* run in X rotated canvas | 14:01 |
| lcuk | thank digg for finding it, i dunno where it was originally http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Neck_Care | 14:01 |
| konttori_ | (or, e.g. in scratchbox) | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | my python hacking skills are about the same as my fighting way out of a wet paper bag skills | 14:02 |
| lcuk | ill wait for you to add a few more opts ;) | 14:02 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: so, to be sure, i have to choose gpsd host 127.0.0.1 in the gps settings? | 14:02 |
| konttori_ | well, it's on line 28. the first variable in MediaCenter.py | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No MAC | 14:03 |
| aquatix | oh | 14:03 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: Yeah, I'll add the command line opts for it. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNUite really should add a layer of UI abstraction, but so it goes. | 14:03 |
| aquatix | yay | 14:03 |
| aquatix | now it somehow works | 14:03 |
| lcuk | no rush, ill just get used to changing the orientation of my neck to compensate :D | 14:03 |
| aquatix | it didn't last time i tried | 14:03 |
| lcuk | everything else rotatets the other way, i prefer my escape button at the bottom | 14:04 |
| qwerty12_ | yerga, ping | 14:04 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: thanks :) | 14:04 |
| yerga | qwerty12_, pong! | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P qwerty12. | 14:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, sure thing. | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_, we should keep totals on these things. I'd be interested in the result. :P | 14:05 |
| qwerty12_ | yerga, I've "hildonized" the main window, hildonised the menu but it seems I suck at adding a callback event to make the window fullscreen. I've also fixed the packaging and made it integrate with dbus: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/gftp/gftp-2.0.18.tar.bz2 | 14:06 |
| qwerty12_ | GeneralAntilles, On what? :P | 14:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_, who wins the double-team "thanks" of course. ;) | 14:06 |
| yerga | qwerty12_, cool, I will take a look | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | We frequently seem to double up on these things, and it's interesting to see who ends up getting the thanks. | 14:07 |
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| qwerty12_ | Oh, heh :D. I gave a quick answer, you went more in depth with it | 14:07 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | Is anyone using the home screen applet drag lock patch? | 14:09 |
| qwerty12_ | me me me | 14:09 |
| qwerty12_ | I built his latest version the other day | 14:09 |
| * lcuk "upgraded" sketch editing, it now saves upto 36 at one time now | 14:10 | |
| Stskeeps | what kind of devices/specific models would be good to test a x86 mer/maemo alike dist on? | 14:11 |
| fiferboy_n810 | It's pretty good. I built the latest veersion, too | 14:11 |
| fiferboy_n810 | I'm trying to improve it by storing the state in a conf file | 14:12 |
| qwerty12_ | Woot, go fiferboy! | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, buy a Samsung Q1. | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then ship it to me. :P | 14:12 |
| qwerty12_ | Then I can rob GeneralAntilles | 14:12 |
| qwerty12_ | :P | 14:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles sets out some landmines. | 14:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Or that Sony UMPC | 14:13 |
| fiferboy_n810 | I think it should go in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys remember that R50A everybody on itT was saying was going to kill the N810? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | another q, - think maemo would be good on a tv screen? | 14:14 |
| fiferboy_n810 | But the files that have been edited only use home.conf, which is not appropriate | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, with a Wiimote? | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | cos that's what we're thinking about doing :P | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not so much with a dpad on a remote, though. | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's actual Wii Linux these days? :P | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | we will have bt keyboard with trackpad :P | 14:15 |
| konttori_ | Could someone perhaps add to the current wiimote code the support for the tv screen? | 14:15 |
| konttori_ | I did take a look at it at some point and it might not be so terribly hard | 14:15 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wiicontrol | 14:15 |
| konttori_ | could be a starting point. | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | TV screen? | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | I have a slightly improved version of the code if anyone is willing to give it a shot. | 14:16 |
| lcuk | what do you mean support | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | umm... well, wiimote infra tracking capabilities | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | if e.g. you are using n800 that you have connected to telly | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | How, exactly? :P | 14:17 |
| konttori_ | with usb | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, does that mean the N900 will have TV out? :P | 14:17 |
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| konttori_ | No clue | 14:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, current USB-to-VGA support isn't fast enough to track a Wiimote | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It takes about 10 seconds to render FBReader's interface. | 14:17 |
| lcuk | btw konttori_ as a user who raves about liqbase (or as a raving user) could you comment and rate it on the product page please :$ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 14:18 |
| konttori_ | I thought it was possible to get 2 fps | 14:18 |
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| konttori_ | I've seen much better usb support then inside nokia. | 14:18 |
| lcuk | konttori_, the tv control aspect, do you mean the candles thing | 14:18 |
| konttori_ | We've had the targus usb dock stations for n800. | 14:18 |
| lcuk | \o/ w000t 2fps | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yes, the sensor bar. | 14:18 |
| konttori_ | and the users were claiming they work just as well as desktop use | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only Nokia had shipped a couple of IR LEDs behind the speaker grille on the N800. ;) | 14:19 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a docking system for tablets | 14:19 | |
| lcuk | i keep wanting to just hold a barcode over my 810 and using that as input device | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | well, 2 fps makes it e.g. usable as slide show thingy. | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, Graham needs to get with those guys. . . . | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | And, whatever the case it with the future devices, they will be faster | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, powered USB hub? ;) | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well a stand is a good thing too | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | with ethernet, ec | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | i would buy one of those, really | 14:20 |
| konttori_ | targus docking station has it all, usb hub, keyboard inputs, vga out, serial port, whatnot | 14:20 |
| konttori_ | even ethernet | 14:20 |
| lcuk | konttori_, wouldnt it be better to incorporate the actual code thats within the wiimote itself for detecting the IR blobs. ie point your actual 8x0/9x0 at the screen itself and process where the dots are ourselves | 14:20 |
| qwerty12_ | psst, konttori_ , what are your smuggling rates? | 14:21 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_ a beagleboard | 14:21 | |
| qwerty12_ | Yum, these taste good | 14:21 |
| konttori_ | yeah, well, beagleboard is really cool dev platform. interesting to test. | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | ill electrocute myself ifi try touching the beagleboard, it needs a touchscreen | 14:22 |
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| konttori_ | I wonder if maemo is running on any of those | 14:22 |
| GAN800 | konttori, check Flickr | 14:22 |
| lcuk | just give him your link gan :P | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's trivial to get maemo work but not in a clean way | 14:22 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: yeah, well, the n800 would need an infrared filter on the camera, but sure, it's doable like that | 14:22 |
| konttori_ | So, e.g. the cool multitouch display they had in berlin is doable with n800, projector, some infra lamps. | 14:23 |
| lcuk | heh, just display a color coding on the corners of the tv screen ;) | 14:23 |
| konttori_ | might be actually a really cool test. | 14:23 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: yeaw, theoretically even with that | 14:23 |
| lcuk | hmmmm | 14:24 |
| lcuk | can some1 dig out a shop link for the kind of USB cable ill need to update my n800 to diablo | 14:24 |
| lcuk | i have one but no usb and i dunno what i need to buy | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it a typical mini A/B one? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | look at your digital camera maybe? | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | that's where i got mine originally | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one bundled with practically every consumer electronics device sold over the past few years. :P | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the cable that came with mine is a nokia dke-2 but any generic one should work fine | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295700120/ http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2290280255/ http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2414674548/ | 14:26 |
| lcuk | well ive looked through the rats nest and i dont have any | 14:26 |
| konttori_ | GeneralAntilles: thanks. looks good. | 14:27 |
| konttori_ | lcuk: didn't you get a cable with your device? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | ummm well no | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | He stole it from some jerk on the bus. | 14:28 |
| lcuk | :O | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | now if this targus had s-video too.. | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, what other themes are there of freely-licensable ones for maemo? | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, there's plankton obviously, but others? | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, LCARS? | 14:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably not, actually. :P | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | (that does not need OS2008 parts? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | heh, yeah, lcars looks like it is | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | even has own sounds | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcars as default theme for mer it is | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | (...) | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh lord | 14:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 14:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Hey, Nokia managers, this is a proof of concept of an upstream-compliant Maemo. We'd really like you to look at this when planning Maemo's future. Also: Star Trek." | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i think that would only work on software engineers | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, http://web.mac.com/sonicjunki/770/770_files/screenshot00.png | 14:42 |
| * Stskeeps would like to thank konttori_ for theme maker | 14:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There were a lot of terrible themes for the 770. | 14:42 |
| konttori_ | hey, looking good Stskeeps | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most notably the default ones. <_< | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | konttori_: hehe, i didn't do that one, just found it | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | but there seriously needs to be some better themes than plankton for hildon use :P | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | that are OSS/distributable | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want the old Plankton back. | 14:44 |
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| konttori_ | ah, added the ukmp 1.81 | 14:45 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4910/ukmp-1.81_all.deb | 14:45 |
| suihkulokki | you can probablt make the plankton look better by just switching the background pic and some other minor tweaks | 14:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want this back: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If I was on os2007, i'd probably be using the appleenvy theme | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . the guy complaining about MicroB's js performance turns out to be using Opera on OS2007. <_< | 14:47 |
| lcuk | ive gotta vanish again, ww3 just erupted downstairs, konttori_ nice chatting, cyas all later | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zombie apocalypse is starting at lcuk's | 14:49 |
| lcuk | not really i took the wiimote off jake until he picks up his orange peel ;) | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | hm, new company in the maemo sphere, blumsoft.eu | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | haven't seen those before | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | NoBounds? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, saw code from them in gtkhtml and hildon-control-panel | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | you know, with all those different companies actually maintaining the components of maemo, the generic-platform by community and nokia contracting people to contribute to components inside it, does not seem so far off | 14:54 |
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| oli | is there any way to make an video call from n800 to a PC? | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo or aMSN | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbbaksn_vk | 15:10 |
| lcuk | so fitting and true | 15:10 |
| oli | GeneralAntilles: gtalk won't do it? | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | oli, don't think the clients use the same video format | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | or something like that. | 15:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs again at the mailing list. | 15:11 | |
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| Stskeeps | m-u? | 15:15 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 15:15 |
| GAN800 | email spam about the wiki. . . . | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you obviously banned this guy :P | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | he's probably not using https | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
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| GAN800 | An anonymous edit ban would be less confusing. . . . | 15:17 |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure what to think of launchpad yet. | 15:21 | |
| Stskeeps | bzr seems to be neat though | 15:22 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, let me know when you figure it out, I'd like to know. :) | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | so far it isn't on the directly positive side, but we haven't started using the collaboration just yet | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | mer is an experiment in this area too so | 15:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ffs, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/thefuck.png | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: your hildon desktop is trying to be a larger resolution | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I blame python applets :P | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i look forward to my armel builder coming online monday, got a lot of stuff in queue for it | 15:26 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders why his nokia just chose to reboot. | 15:43 | |
| lcuk | flying zombies | 15:47 |
| towo | The Day Of The Glorious Reboolution. | 15:48 |
| lcuk | its only the start, the apocalypse is upon us. all electronic equipment will fail (but nokia tablets will last longer) | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ~seen johnx | 15:53 |
| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 14h 46m 8s ago, saying: 'heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200 and bam, no geolocation :)'. | 15:53 |
| GAN800 | Maybe the zombie apocalypse started in Japan? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | with those nukes dropped on it, no surprises.. | 15:55 |
| lcuk | yeah, but they were trying to save the world | 15:55 |
| lcuk | nothing else would kill godzilla | 15:55 |
| lcuk | einsteins desk looks like my work dask, and his chalkboard looks like my nokia http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=einstein+source:life&imgurl=f24fb48539799666 | 15:56 |
| lcuk | i wonder how he wouldv coped with a multitouch interactive board | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | he would have smashed it in anger occasionally probably | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
| lcuk | nahhh, he would have been able to assemble his equations better | 15:58 |
| lcuk | and rejig them about without using a board rubber | 15:58 |
| lcuk | but his achievements are all the more impressive purely because he did it all without computers :) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | "Internet Tablet Will Die Because a flying zombie attack will take out all the wind farms! " | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | hahahaa | 15:59 |
| lcuk | i thought we needed a sensible reason why they should die ;) | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'd go for the magnetic poles shifting or something | 16:01 |
| lcuk | well a magnetic flip wouldnt instantly kill the tablets | 16:02 |
| lcuk | unless it caused the penguins to begin a mass migration across the planet breeding along the way | 16:03 |
| lcuk | march of the penguins - at least it would be year of tux on the desktop, and on the fridge and in your kitchen and on your roof and crushing you underfoot | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | perhaps you could use your tablet as a penguin beating device, they have sharp edges | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | or reflect the sunlight from the screen and dazzle the marching penguins of death | 16:04 |
| lcuk | i might make an animated gif of this scenario, it would highlight the dangers to the world of a magnetic pole reversal | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you should | 16:06 |
| lcuk | warn people before its too late | 16:06 |
| lcuk | whats the gestation period for migrating penguins? | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | and once they reach a certain threshhold would they begin to die out due to overpopulation and not enough food? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | would the southern penguins fight with the northern penguins when they reached the equator? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | and can we breed anything which will stop this impending doom? | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | do penguins prefer to move through water or waddle through grassland? ie would we be safer running for the hills or finding a small unpopulated island somewhere? | 16:09 |
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| lbt | multiouch ... http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ | 16:10 |
| lbt | oh wait, multi-ouch is something different | 16:10 |
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| lcuk | multi-ouch is what happens when disoriented flying zombie penguins attack | 16:11 |
| lcuk | BE PREPARED! | 16:11 |
| lcuk | hiya lbt | 16:12 |
| lbt | afternoon | 16:12 |
| lbt | not been around much... work and stuff | 16:12 |
| lbt | plus I reinstalled my PC | 16:12 |
| lbt | so I'm about to setup scratchbox again | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | afernoon lbt | 16:14 |
| lcuk | ewww, i want a faster tablet, i hate thinking about boxes inside boxes | 16:14 |
| lcuk | full native on device compilation, Stskeeps you have a beagle, how much faster is gcc on that than gcc on n8x0 | 16:14 |
| lbt | hi Stskeeps | 16:14 |
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| * Stskeeps continues buildin' | 16:15 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, have you not tried compilation on your beagle? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i have | 16:17 |
| lcuk | how well does it work | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: but it's sitting in front of me instead of it's rightful place on top of the server | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | it works quite well | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | i have had some MMC troubles though, but that might just be because i've abused them | 16:18 |
| lcuk | hopefully it will mean i can jump to c++ easily, i still wonder how long it would take to build something like qt | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: btw Mer is going a little slow these days while we get things running sanely :) just so you dont think we gave up :P | 16:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: you are building with BB? | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | beagleboard? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i will from tomorrow | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm getting things working on i386 firsst | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | do you have hasty or jaunty on BB? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be a jaunty chroot im building out of | 16:30 |
| sp3000 | hmm, nitapps is down and has some stuff not in extras(-devel) and it's not on the pls to be migrating to extras list | 16:31 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: ^ ? | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: why chroot? | 16:32 |
| sp3000 | then again most of the stuff is tiny command line status tools, but, interesting | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sp3000, the guy doesn't listen to extras requests. GeneralAntilles asked a lot for the maintainer of that repo to put easyroot in extras but got ignored so I just made rootsh for example | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: well. the way packages ought to be built is through a --variant=buildd, where you build the source inside and you know it won't conflict with other things | 16:34 |
| sp3000 | hmm, the wiki page doesn't have any examples of fail status does it ;) | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | so each time you compile it extracts a snapshot and compiles inside the chroot | 16:34 |
| sp3000 | oh well | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: and you're sure that way that the package has right build dependancies, etc | 16:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: saw http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/? | 16:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | with http://trac.tspre.org:8000/libhildonmime_jaunty-i386-1227450257.log as an example of a build log | 16:37 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:39 |
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| * Stskeeps notes that nokia has done quite an effort in translations as well | 16:52 | |
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| gnuton | Hi | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hi gnuton | 16:58 |
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| gnuton | hey Stskeeps | 17:08 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders idly when he will get banned from stage.maemo.org for checking so much out.. | 17:18 | |
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| t_s_o | ley lcuk, cheers! ;) | 17:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:34 |
| t_s_o | as for being so drunk that one wonder how one got home, been there, done that, woke up in the garage... | 17:35 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:36 |
| lcuk | ive never actually gotten lost, ive got a good homing signal | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | even if i cant walk | 17:36 |
| pupnik | afternoon lcuk :) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, why have you removed my flying zombie death scenario? | 17:37 |
| lcuk | hi pupnik | 17:37 |
| pupnik | and RST38h et al | 17:37 |
| pupnik | i wonder if anyone will discover the wonderful world of internet tablets now, by googling 'flying zombie death' | 17:38 |
| lcuk | i was gonna expand upon it and explain that when the magnetic poles invert it will be flying zombie penguin death | 17:39 |
| lcuk | year of linux on the desktop and everything else | 17:39 |
| pupnik | today is the last sunday of the christian calendar year, the day of the dead | 17:41 |
| lcuk | o rly? | 17:42 |
| pupnik | yeh. what U up to? | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | just idling, gonna go n clean the fishtank in a minute | 17:44 |
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| Proteous | mmmmm, fish poo | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | hi qwerty12 ! | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | hey, hi pupnik | 17:46 |
| * Stskeeps groans over hildon-1 not being updated publically | 17:48 | |
| Stskeeps | hildon-pannable-area.h is missing it seems | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12 curses at the top of his voice at his mpd build not working and gdb for being a pita | 17:50 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: sb nightmares? | 17:50 |
| Proteous | mmm, pita | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm actually running gdb on the device (and I've made sure the debug symbols were not stripped) but I get zilch when doing a backtrace | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 17:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Ha, mpd 0.14~alpha3-2 is shit. I just built mpd-0.13.0 and it works fine | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, neat, mesh support in stlc45xx | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | this could be fun at a summit | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | and for many interesting tech demos | 18:21 |
| pupnik | indeed | 18:22 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: have the OLPC devs done anything useful with mesh that we could drop into tablets? | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, maybe | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | ello RST38h | 18:26 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Where are you gonna get a usable mesh of NITs? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | maemo summit ;> | 18:26 |
| RST38h | BTW http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4232/nkarts001mn9.jpg | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | lecture hall in the future.. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | the bus | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:27 |
| pupnik | or perhaps future other portable devices with mesh support? | 18:28 |
| * Stskeeps ponders why the hell nokia didn't put some of the stuff in HAL instead, like, backlihght | 18:28 | |
| error_developer_ | how to change the umask in maemo? | 18:29 |
| RST38h | chmod ? | 18:30 |
| error_developer_ | so all files user creates are writeble by the group? | 18:30 |
| RST38h | pupnik: you have to have enough of them | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | error: Afaik this gets inherited from the directory permissions | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if nokia phones start having wifi with mesh.. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | then the % certainly goes up in my country | 18:31 |
| Andy80 | mesh would be a great thing :) | 18:31 |
| RST38h | They already have wifi | 18:31 |
| RST38h | And wifi can be used in mesh mode with some effort | 18:32 |
| inherited | hm? | 18:32 |
| inherited | what? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | Yet do you see anyone use that? | 18:32 |
| inherited | ahhhhwww screw you RST38h | 18:32 |
| RST38h | hehehe | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | stop using words as nicks, it's sily | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | +l | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: stlc45xx has a mesh patch for it | 18:32 |
| RST38h | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/23/1447251&from=rss === hehehe, finally people start seeing that "open source business model" only works in Eric Raymond's mind | 18:33 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps, what is stlc45xx? | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Andy80: the open source driver for the wifi chip in n8x0 | 18:34 |
| Andy80 | oh right. I didn't remember the name | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, but on the other hand there's no such thing as a free meal.. it's slightly less costly for open source developers to copy an existing design, that was spent time on designing and developing | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | than | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Doesn't matter from the point of view of a developer making money on the design | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Once event occurs (i.e. somebody copies his stuff in a free product), the original guy loses his business, whatever the reasons for that initial copying are | 18:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: have you tested xserver-xfbdev? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: nop | 18:38 |
| RST38h | The only real "open source business model" is to take open source software and use it to make money, that's all | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | and focus on service instead and individual user requests? | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | (and hw) | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Yes | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Focus on whatever, as long as it is not sw development | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | You can go SUSE or Redhat road by compiling lots of OSS onto a CD and selling it | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | Or you can do service stuff (like using Asterisk to do VoIP) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | how does that work with bread on table for the workers? (developers), though? :P | 18:42 |
| RST38h | It does not | 18:42 |
| RST38h | That is the whole point. | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 18:43 |
| RST38h | Developers are basically left with enabling and/or customization | 18:43 |
| * Stskeeps is getting paid for oss work that enables higher level solutions, and is fairly happy about that. | 18:43 | |
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| pupnik | nice Stskeeps | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The problem with enabling/customization stuff is that it is often intermittent | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i did custom coding for a while when i was a teen, on top of my oss product.. it was good as a teen but when you have to pay rent, food, etc, it doesn't work out | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i make more sitting in my office for a day than i got in a month usually | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | Sts: yep | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: Actually, custom development pays off pretty well but it is not permanent | 18:53 |
| pupnik | reminds me of that classic dilbert | 18:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.cs.umu.se/~dva00nco/ubicomp/bilder/dilbert3.jpg | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if there's a idea of open source but not distributing publically | 18:54 |
| error_developer_ | is anyone using ext2 on a flash card around now? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: hehe :P | 18:55 |
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| pupnik | error_developer_: i have ext2 on flash on my 770 | 18:55 |
| error_developer_ | pupnik: i 'm figuring out how to get the file permissions sorted | 18:56 |
| * konttori_ updated his latest blog post to point to ukmp 1.81 version. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 18:56 | |
| error_developer_ | so the user can write to it when it's connected to the linux pc | 18:56 |
| error_developer_ | and then it could be deleted when it's disconnected from the pc | 18:57 |
| error_developer_ | pupnik: you know what i mean .. | 18:57 |
| error_developer_ | i added a gorup and a user with id 29999 on the linux pc | 18:58 |
| error_developer_ | they can read it now.. | 18:58 |
| pupnik | yeah was going to suggest that | 18:58 |
| error_developer_ | but still it's a bit messy | 18:58 |
| pupnik | not sure where umask gets set on ITOS | 18:58 |
| pupnik | used to be in .login / .cshrc back in.. oh 1988 | 18:59 |
| pupnik | :/ | 18:59 |
| error_developer_ | yeah ..i use csh actually | 18:59 |
| error_developer_ | tcsh | 18:59 |
| error_developer_ | but it's on my production machine | 18:59 |
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| error_developer_ | i could sort it out vwith NFS | 19:00 |
| error_developer_ | but there is no network there, only USB | 19:00 |
| pupnik | looks pretty konttori_ | 19:01 |
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| konttori_ | thanks. I like it quite a bit. | 19:01 |
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| error_developer_ | konttori_: how about ukmp and uktube on x86 linux? | 19:02 |
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| zakkm_ | where would system icons and program icons be kept? | 19:04 |
| zakkm_ | what directory? | 19:04 |
| zakkm_ | (Diablo) | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/share/icons/scalable/hildon (something like that) | 19:06 |
| zakkm_ | k thanks, missed the /icons | 19:07 |
| zakkm_ | cant find system icons? | 19:12 |
| zakkm_ | the browser, chat, programs.. one | 19:12 |
| pupnik | i recall there being a number of directories where they could be | 19:15 |
| zakkm_ | this would do for now isuppose | 19:16 |
| zakkm_ | making them all grayscale | 19:16 |
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| pupnik | it might be nifty if one could someday do color-adjustment on-the-fly of themes | 19:23 |
| pupnik | but that's quite 'verspielt' | 19:24 |
| RST38h | if NIT themes were all done in 4 colors like Amiga desktop, it would be possible | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | penguinbait: the new stuff looks good, thumbs up | 19:51 |
| penguinbait | thanks, did you install it? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | nop, not yet | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | busy working on Mer package building :P | 19:53 |
| penguinbait | Its working great, you can backup any partition to any partition, including usb disk. | 19:55 |
| penguinbait | I need to figure out how to get usb boot working next | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | any way that you could be convinced to maybe start employing bootmenu items? it's in bootmenu svn so | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | quite easy to work with if you know which is internal and which is external | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | makes different combinations of clone/alternate OS/etc much easier | 19:56 |
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| konttori_ | error_developer_: you can use both on x86 linux | 19:56 |
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| konttori_ | they are python | 19:57 |
| konttori_ | however, the latest ukmp needs a small change to work on non-rotated mode | 19:57 |
| penguinbait | not sure what your getting at sts? | 19:57 |
| penguinbait | what do you mean? "any way that you could be convinced to maybe start employing bootmenu items?" | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | penguinbait: ah - basically, instead of regenerating bootmenu.conf with new stuff all the time, we have a system where you on maemo write a bootmenu item to /etc/bootmenu.d/<file>.item, with the info about what needs to be booted | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | and then run refresh_bootmenu.d to update the bootmenu item list in initfs | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | so you wold make a maemo-cloned.item for example | 20:00 |
| penguinbait | Sts thats a great idea, but you should talk to Fanoush about that | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | which would then appear in the bootmenu | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: .. it's in bootmenu garage svn | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | trust me, i've talked to him about this :) | 20:00 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | in the coming months we will definately see more alternative OS'es as everyone and their brother is porting to ARM | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | so it's just looking at the problem preemptively :) | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | svn also has a bootmenu .deb builder | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, a package that actually builds :P | 20:02 |
| penguinbait | Well my new tools, allow you to have 6 partitions per SD card right now, and it allows you to select the items to include bootmenu | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah - and in this case you wouldn't have a limit as you can add items easily, and don't have to scan every time for partitions and such | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | as when your tool adds a cloned OS, it simply adds the item | 20:03 |
| penguinbait | or at least a check mark to decide to include it | 20:04 |
| penguinbait | I agree it would be cool, but I am not the "one" ;) | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | hm? :P | 20:05 |
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| penguinbait | so what does Fanoush say when you talk to him? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | .. i have commit to the bootmenu garage svn, the patch has been there for ages now, works for deblet, and we're discussing a bit how to include bootmenu in extras and such currently as part of a possible community edition of maemo where clone to SD, etc would be a part of the community edition.. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | the problem isn't so much the bootmenu.d system, the problem is that we haven't had a good reason to release a new tar.gz/deb yet | 20:08 |
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| penguinbait | so what still needs to be done? | 20:10 |
| hahlobit | btw if bootmenu.conf found instead bootmenu.d can i add item there? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: i'm asking if you're interested in using the bootmenu.d item system in your scripts for cloning, etc | 20:11 |
| penguinbait | If you build it they will come | 20:11 |
| penguinbait | absolutely | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | as in them generating bootmenu.d items instead of rebuilding bootmenu.conf | 20:11 |
| penguinbait | its way cleaner | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | .. it is built | 20:11 |
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| penguinbait | I gotta run, send me pm, or I talk later | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | hahlobit: yeah, bootmenu.conf is a script itself, in svn it loads items from /etc/bootmenu.d/ on initfs | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | alright.. | 20:12 |
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| hahlobit | ok | 20:12 |
| * Stskeeps hammers his head into the table several times | 20:12 | |
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| Stskeeps | who was the local valac wizards here? :P | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, juergbi's one of the creators if I remember correctly :P | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa knows vala too afaik | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Bye! | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | or maybe it's just my packaging fu that's bad | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | just for curiosity, the Fremantle Stars are already chosen by nokia ? | 20:19 |
| juergbi | Stskeeps: what's the issue? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | juergbi: ah. think it's just me, fighting with bzr and realizing it's a matter of make acting the way it should when .vala and .c is same timestamp, and we are bootstrapping valac.. :P | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | sorry for the highlight | 20:25 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, friendview seems bare :( i dont know anyone almost | 20:27 |
| Proteous | you are just a loser | 20:27 |
| lcuk | and i dunno whos selected for what or where | 20:27 |
| lcuk | yes Proteous i am | 20:28 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:28 |
| lcuk | but what exactly have i lost? | 20:28 |
| Proteous | your disillusionment? | 20:28 |
| lcuk | im fully allusioned though | 20:29 |
| lcuk | is that even a word? :D | 20:29 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:29 |
| Proteous | disillusioned: To free from illusion | 20:29 |
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| Proteous | illusioned is a word | 20:30 |
| lcuk | not according to the dictionary its not | 20:31 |
| Proteous | that's just an illusion | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | mooooo | 21:03 |
| Proteous | baaaaaa | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | mææh | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Prouteous,lcook: ehlo | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: that looked like m}|{}|{h | 21:04 |
| Proteous | suer | 21:04 |
| Proteous | I saw mææh | 21:04 |
| Proteous | woof | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | am i the only one annoyed about that maemo seems to think it needs to reboot when it's showing the charger window and you press power on? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. it is -actually- booted, and has X up and everything | 21:05 |
| RST38h | It has to restart all the needed services | 21:06 |
| RST38h | It's easier to reboot than do it gracefully | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | i don't actually think it needs to restart them - they don't care if it's on charger, boots anyway :P | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | does it really use X for the charger window? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: yeah, well, first one is a framebuffer image | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | (where splash normally would be) | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | if you people want to know stuff about CAL, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2008-November/000081.html seems to have figured the data strucure etc out and meanings of calibration etc :P | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. and quote of the year from igor, "hell, why wasting time with Lotus Notes and schematics when you can rape a battery" | 21:20 |
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| NesTnokiafreak_0 | anyone helpfull here | 21:41 |
| RST38h | No. | 21:42 |
| NesTnokiafreak_0 | i c dat | 21:42 |
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| josef|samba | does anyone have KDE 4 running on maemo so I could get a screenshot? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | i think theres a screenshot available on google | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | think meiz had one.. sec | 21:50 |
| josef|samba | well, I'd need a specific one, hence the question... the KNS2 download dialogue in particular, and how well it fits into the rather small resolution | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 21:52 |
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| b1ackdeath | has anyone been able to make there own nokia image/back up.... for example with an xp cd you can slipstream an update to it so when you install it you don't have to do an update. but in this case like install certain packages, so there already to be used ?? or am asking something thats crazy? | 22:18 |
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| Stskeeps | nop, not really crazy | 22:19 |
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| b1ackdeath | practical yes, difficult yes, can it be done it done know | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | damnit, why must a new ARG come out when i'm in the midst of my most stressy week ever. | 22:31 |
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| b1ackdeath | im sorry but about the image for nokia | 22:32 |
| b1ackdeath | did any one replie to my comment? | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i did, and it is possible :P | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | you can dump your NAND and reflash using the flasher | 22:33 |
| b1ackdeath | so if i can a clean install with the stuff i wanted i could dump it and make a .bin back up? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, technically | 22:34 |
| lcuk | b1ackdeath, people make duplicates of their running system all the time onto different MMC cards, its just a slight sidestep to take that duplicate and use it as a source image | 22:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, arg? | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: alternate reality game | 22:35 |
| lcuk | yeah, which | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: http://thisismymilwaukee.com/ (watch it through if you enjoy a good scifi, it is not what it seems like) | 22:35 |
| b1ackdeath | i under stand the cloneing to the mmc cards it just making it into a .bin file for a back up on my computer is the hard part im trying to figure out | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | b1ackdeath: you'd have a better chance of doing the cloning to mmc and then taring it up on a computer | 22:36 |
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| b1ackdeath | ok but then how could i reflash it | 22:37 |
| b1ackdeath | for the mmc cards that would work but, what about the interal flash? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | put mmc in your computer, untar it onto the fresh new filesystem, instantly done | 22:38 |
| b1ackdeath | ok thanks | 22:39 |
| oli | hey, Ive got an movie with black stripes (16/9 + stripes = 4/3) and when i play it on my n800 with mplayer i get an box with movie and black border around. Any suggestions how to zoom that movie? : ) | 22:40 |
| b1ackdeath | any one got a usb wireless adapter working on any of the tablets | 22:40 |
| lcuk | no1 really bothers, especially since theres a perfectly good enough internal one | 22:41 |
| lcuk | and usb wireless adds wires.. | 22:42 |
| b1ackdeath | but the internal one dosent suport packet injection | 22:42 |
| lcuk | and? | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | b1ackdeath, are there any usb wireless adapters which can run on <100ma? | 22:43 |
| oli | btw, can a 200ma device run with n800? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | no | 22:44 |
| lcuk | not without a hub | 22:44 |
| b1ackdeath | thats what i would use the exteral one for, by the way good job on liqbase | 22:44 |
| lcuk | or other power injection method | 22:44 |
| oli | i've got an old flash drive and it works, lsusb tells me it's current == 200ma | 22:44 |
| lcuk | well the usb otg spec says 100ma | 22:46 |
| lcuk | max | 22:46 |
| b1ackdeath | mhmhmhmh | 22:46 |
| b1ackdeath | thanks tho | 22:46 |
| lcuk | your old device is probably working because the label on it is wrong, OR the 200 is worst case scenario.. | 22:46 |
| lcuk | like this: | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ive got a usb keyboard thats rated at 100ma, it works if i press one key at a time, if i do chording or make it display all the LEDs it crashes and wont work anymore until a full total battery popping reboot | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | if i do the same with a hub its fine | 22:48 |
| oli | i am able to watch divx from that drive so information stored into chip must be fake ;] | 22:49 |
| oli | and it's real current <100ma | 22:49 |
| lcuk | b1ackdeath, :) thanks liqbase is a decent first crack | 22:49 |
| lcuk | never said info wasnt fake, go read up on the usb OTG spec and make your own mind up | 22:50 |
| lcuk | was fake ^ | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | which rotated orientation do people use for their NITs | 23:14 |
| lcuk | do you prefer buttons at the top or the bottom | 23:15 |
| * qwerty12_N800 rotates right | 23:15 | |
| lcuk | ok, so you have buttons at the base | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | habit from pda and easier to operate :P | 23:18 |
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| * konttori_ rotates buttons top. | 23:21 | |
| konttori_ | easier to access with holding device in left hand. | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | balls he left | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i had a whole thing about that | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, its the logical way, kontorris app is the first ive ever seen that way round | 23:22 |
| lcuk | (ie backass) ;) | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:23 |
| lcuk | reminded me of a guy who would hold his mouse upside down | 23:23 |
| lcuk | buttons towards him | 23:23 |
| lcuk | +wire | 23:23 |
| lcuk | freaked the feck out of everyone, but that was just the way his brain was wired | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | is async networking much more difficult than sync | 23:24 |
| lcuk | errr sockets i mean | 23:25 |
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| Sargun | I can't wait until the new tablet is announced. | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | ways to discover your neighbours are home: see if they are visible on bluetooth. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | you are gonna have to | 23:26 |
| lcuk | i can hear em through the walls | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 23:26 |
| * lcuk wants a bigger house | 23:26 | |
| * Stskeeps wonders wtf kind of format .amr is | 23:26 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, mobile phone recording | 23:27 |
| lcuk | music | 23:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 phone records in amr. the tablet can play it back in default media player (though i did build mplayer with amr support) | 23:27 | |
| Stskeeps | scary, and the tablets plays it | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: saw the weird video? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | some of it, im not wasting 10+ minutes for an outline | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:35 |
| lcuk | "welcome to blah" "stay away from blah" "blah" | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it is a bit of a drag to enter, think they had to fill out for clues :P | 23:36 |
| lcuk | have you ever played original half life | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | think so, for a bit :P | 23:36 |
| lcuk | that video reminded me of the opening sequence, except half life was actually good :P | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a sucker for alternate realities :P | 23:37 |
| lcuk | (spend about 20 minutes on a train going round the complex, nothing to shoot kill hack maim destroy or anything | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | i cant even play portal at the moment :( | 23:38 |
| lcuk | last time i tried my steam files were corrupt and wanted to redownload the whole lot | 23:38 |
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| `0660 | portal was so good :) | 23:39 |
| lcuk | was? it IS the single best concept for a game ever | 23:39 |
| lcuk | executed so cleanly | 23:39 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 deleted his steam folder when all of his gcf's were too old and i had no time to get new ones :( | 23:39 | |
| lcuk | same here qwerty, but i paid for mine :P | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 23:40 |
| lcuk | shite! steam wont even startup | 23:40 |
| * Stskeeps swears by civilization3, red alert 2 | 23:40 | |
| Stskeeps | though i don't play that often anymore | 23:41 |
| lcuk | "Steam.exe (main exception): CMultiFieldBlob(pSerialized): Bad field - extends past end of blob" | 23:42 |
| lcuk | damn, that was meant for google | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | get a offline emulator for now :p | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | nahh | 23:42 |
| lcuk | not risking my account, ep3 better be good | 23:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yeah :/ | 23:43 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wonders why asound.conf on the tablets can be found as /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf instead of /etc/asound.conf as it should be :\ | 23:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | No it shouldn't be, i'm hyped | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | sssppppppppaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmm man | 23:56 |
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