| jagernot | woglinde: will try thanks | 00:00 |
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| Guysoft42 | hey. i seem to be having a bug this instant, where the load cursor is stuck on the normal cursor | 00:14 |
| Guysoft42 | its useful!! | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | thewhat? | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft42, you know the normal arrow cursor can be enabled right?:p | 00:15 |
| Guysoft42 | the cursor is visable | 00:15 |
| Guysoft42 | ah, just stoped | 00:15 |
| Guysoft42 | qwerty how? | 00:16 |
| Guysoft42 | q | 00:16 |
| Guysoft42 | and i still miss the tab button here | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft42, as root, open /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme in a text editor and comment out the inherits line and reboot | 00:17 |
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| Guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, ah got it.. | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: will a reflash wipe out lock code? | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, merely disables it | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:38 |
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| LinuxCode | the hildon lock code ? | 00:43 |
| jagernot | im trying to make a .deb out of my program and running into trouble. | 00:46 |
| jagernot | ive gotten this far: http://pastebin.com/d5c0af55b | 00:46 |
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| jagernot | woglinde: if i removed those orig.tar.gz files..the .deb file builds but cant install in app manager | 00:46 |
| woglinde | jagernot I told you hat to do | 00:46 |
| woglinde | jagernot not right | 00:47 |
| woglinde | provide a sane .desktop file | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jagernot, what's the section in control? | 00:47 |
| jagernot | where can i find a .desktop file | 00:47 |
| jagernot | user/other? | 00:47 |
| woglinde | qwerty12_N800 args right | 00:48 |
| woglinde | sorry | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, that's fine | 00:48 |
| woglinde | desktop was only for menu | 00:48 |
| woglinde | yeah control file for app manager | 00:48 |
| jagernot | ? | 00:52 |
| jagernot | any ideas pls | 00:52 |
| woglinde | put the right section in control file | 00:52 |
| woglinde | as qwerty says | 00:52 |
| jagernot | i have user/other is that wrong? | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | user/other is fine. | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | For now | 00:54 |
| jagernot | i can install it within scratchbox itself | 00:54 |
| jagernot | with fakeroot dpkg -i boxar_1.0-1.armel.deb | 00:55 |
| woglinde | jagernot right | 00:55 |
| woglinde | you can do dpkg -i on the tablet too | 00:55 |
| woglinde | yi you are root | 00:55 |
| jagernot | wont i need root? | 00:55 |
| woglinde | args | 00:56 |
| woglinde | hehe my keys seems to change at random | 00:56 |
| jagernot | i am root when i run that command? | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | user/other is technically invalid and the moment and will be totally invalid once the new Application Manager ships. | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/and/at/ | 00:57 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: user/other is technically invalid at the moment and will be totally invalid once the new Application Manager ships. | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, nobody around who can provide no_NO, pt_PT, or sv_SE? | 00:58 |
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| woglinde | GeneralAntilles haha grep it from your host system | 01:00 |
| woglinde | grap | 01:00 |
| jagernot | ok wow now i have it installed but i cant see it on extras or any other section :( | 01:01 |
| jagernot | and if i type the command name on xterm it says not found | 01:02 |
| woglinde | ????? | 01:02 |
| woglinde | did you copy it to the tablet? | 01:02 |
| woglinde | whats dpkg -L yourpackagename saying? | 01:02 |
| jagernot | yes copied the .deb to the internal memory card | 01:02 |
| * Stskeeps sends off the "What apps did you have to give up on trying to port to maemo" post and eagerly awaits results. | 01:03 | |
| Stskeeps | either that or a huge flame war about surveys.. | 01:03 |
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| * GeneralAntilles pours lighter fluid on Stskeeps for good measure. | 01:03 | |
| Stskeeps | yay inflammable | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, it might highlight some generic issues | 01:04 |
| Stskeeps | and may answer the question "why is there a lack of apps for maemo" :P | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because of the secret Nokia conspiracy to keep the community down. | 01:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dude, grammar check. :P | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | sorry | 01:06 |
| jagernot | woglinde: it shows its installed in /boxar | 01:06 |
| woglinde | what? | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | i need a secretary | 01:06 |
| woglinde | jagernot you screwed up something | 01:06 |
| woglinde | and didnt understand how packaging wokrs | 01:06 |
| jagernot | woglinde: yeah i can sense that :) | 01:06 |
| woglinde | and where to install stuff | 01:07 |
| jagernot | uninstalling should undo that? | 01:07 |
| woglinde | jagernot right | 01:08 |
| woglinde | thats the sense of a package | 01:08 |
| woglinde | clean remove of stuff | 01:08 |
| jagernot | nice | 01:09 |
| jagernot | how on earth could i have put it in /boxar | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: which is why i'm not that good at the community interaction, i prefer to do insane things in my lab and leave the external discussion to others to fend for my insane ideas ;) | 01:09 |
| jagernot | what is the $DESTDIR | 01:10 |
| jagernot | hmm yes i think $DESTDIR was null | 01:10 |
| jagernot | so it installed in /boxar | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | not when dpkg-buildpackageing | 01:10 |
| jagernot | what should i set the $DESTDIR to? where can i set it? | 01:10 |
| woglinde | jagernot look into an othr package | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | DESTDIR is set when calling your Makefile.. | 01:11 |
| woglinde | apt-get source packageyoulike | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, just one re-read. It'll do wonders. :P | 01:11 |
| jagernot | ok i have picked up hello world | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i did one =P | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | my english has really been slipping lately, dunno why | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, four. ;) | 01:13 |
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| Stskeeps | fine, next time i'll send it by you :P | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | (a local grammar nazi is always good to have.) | 01:15 |
| jagernot | man im struggling with this...one can write an app but to not get it installed this sucks | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm always up for copy-editing. :) | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i think it might be interesting to see the results/answers to this.. atleast it will help document there is a need for some change in some areas of the platform | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | +if | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 01:20 |
| woglinde | nite Stskeeps | 01:20 |
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| jagernot | wow i have now installed my app in /usr/bin but it wont show up in extras from the menu..i can only launch from the cmd line. how do i bring it up in the menu? | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need a .desktop file. | 01:38 |
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| jagernot | dpkg will use that if i provided one? | 01:40 |
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| woglinde | jagernot no hildon will used it | 01:41 |
| woglinde | dpkg only installs | 01:41 |
| woglinde | or deinstalls | 01:41 |
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| jagernot | where should that file be for hildon to use it. who will put that file. sorry for newbie questions | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You make the file. it goes in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 01:43 |
| woglinde | jagernot apt-get source qtnx | 01:46 |
| woglinde | there is an desktop file I wrote | 01:46 |
| jagernot | thanks woglinde | 01:46 |
| woglinde | you should copy it over tune for your programm | 01:46 |
| jagernot | woglinde: unable to find source package qtnx says the program | 01:47 |
| woglinde | ah | 01:48 |
| woglinde | because my package is in extras-devel | 01:48 |
| jagernot | hmm | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints | 01:49 |
| jagernot | so how do i get it? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody read through that quickly and tell me what needs detail? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to expand the IRC outline a bit. | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 is such an evil haxer. :P | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P. Austin Che even wrote a program to do it which does it using a cleaner method then what I done in that initfs :P | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm with Qole | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ban qwerty12. | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll come back... players like me don't die, we multiply :P | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 the hydra | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I doubt Reggie cares anyway. | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (*hopeful*) | 01:56 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, do you believe in open source and ensuring public access to code and processes? | 02:00 |
| lcuk2 | or would you prefer a prorietary locked down system with secrets? | 02:01 |
| woglinde | lcuk I do | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe in banning qwerty12. :P | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Odd timing, lcuk2, I was just poking at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com#Introduction_to_open_source | 02:02 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | What provoked the question? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd've figured my beliefs would be fairly clear. | 02:02 |
| lcuk2 | you wanting to ban qwerty for posting open source documentation for resetting a password | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You missed the big giant KIDDING tags. :) | 02:03 |
| lcuk2 | (if it is open anyway) | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | how can i be banned if the only rule is no personal attacks? :p. And i remember the sd_proto stuff (and we are still here) | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, don't take things I say so seriously. | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk2, text2screen -t `strings /dev/mtd1ro | grep [0-9] | grep -v [a-zA-Z@] | tail -c 7` -s 5 - the "magic" line | 02:04 |
| lcuk2 | i try not to GeneralAntilles, must be extra grottyness and tiredness from mey side | 02:04 |
| lcuk2 | :O | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | If something seems extreme or out of character, it's usually because I'm joking and you either missed the humor or don't know the full story. | 02:04 |
| lcuk2 | :O / ignore qwerty12 my eyes, the goggles they do nothing | 02:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol *grin* | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, YOU knew I was kidding, right? | 02:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, No. i thought you meant it :(. *cries* | 02:05 |
| woglinde | GeneralAntilles do you ban now all who did read the line qewerty was posting? | 02:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, I was poking fun fun at Qole for http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242288&postcount=14 | 02:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | woglinde, dunno, did you? ;) | 02:06 |
| lcuk2 | yes and my reply was in part to qole | 02:06 |
| lcuk2 | tso just summed it up :) | 02:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | easy-deb-chroot gives me access to cracking tools that i haven't bothered to compile :p. should he be nominated for a ban? :P | 02:07 |
| lcuk2 | i surprise myself at how much of an OSS mindset ive gotten this year | 02:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles raises his iced tea to lcuk2. | 02:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you's been spiking your food with mood-altering drugs. :P | 02:08 |
| lcuk2 | lol | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Transparency, flexibility, diversity, emancipation..." | 02:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 before I had a tablet. Open source is nice but i like commercial apps more. | 02:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not loving the use of emancipation | 02:09 |
| * qwerty12_N800 now. open source everything! | 02:09 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:09 |
| lcuk2 | the source does not matter | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That confused me greatly until you added the second line. | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/./:/ | 02:10 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: That confused me greatly until you added the second line: | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Die, infobot, die. | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sourciness doesn't matter to most people until they actually benefit from it directly. | 02:11 |
| woglinde | ~snackbot | 02:11 |
| * infobot gobbles up tarzeau. | 02:11 | |
| woglinde | fine | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just like the vast majority of people don't care what language a program is written in. | 02:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I know :(. I have to admit, not a lot (release wise) gets done with the source that is released :/ | 02:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, eat woglinde | 02:13 |
| * infobot eats woglinde and falls over dead | 02:13 | |
| lcuk2 | the source is most useful after an app becomes stale | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's tough to reach that critical mass. | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The people with the skills to dive into a project and contribute something useful to its code are few and far between | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | and usually already occupied by their own projects. | 02:14 |
| lcuk2 | it was this part which marius taught me whilst i was in berlin. he wants the source just so he can poke and try to fix something rather than sitting there with futile bemusement at why a problem is occuring | 02:14 |
| jagernot | has anybody seen that ironical ad from ibm? stop talking. start doing. :) | 02:14 |
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| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, agreed about own projects - its just not worth the extra hassle to dive in and take over | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim's got 3 days to finish up https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com | 02:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes him luck. <_< | 02:16 | |
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| lcuk810 | why am i here? | 02:27 |
| woglinde | dontknow | 02:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose that wasn't an existential question. | 02:27 |
| lcuk2 | i just picked it up | 02:27 |
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| lcuk | noticed the little icon was flashing | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | oh pussbagged tossed salad lite mayonnaise beggin strips | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK then | 02:44 |
| lcuk | komodo edit lost my settings | 02:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 02:44 |
| lcuk | my code looks pants | 02:44 |
| lcuk | i spent a good long time crafting the settings for that to work nicely | 02:45 |
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| qnr-lt | is there a way to turn the boot splash screen off so I can see what is causing my n800 to reboot continuously on power-up? | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | qnr-lt, the splash is not just a cover | 03:48 |
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| qnr-lt | ok | 03:49 |
| lcuk | i think its possible to replace it with bootmsgs, but its quite an indepth thing i believe, so never followed the thread | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 03:49 |
| qnr-lt | I see | 03:49 |
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| qnr-lt | thanks, I'll check it out, but I kind of doubt it will help if I can't boot in the first place | 03:49 |
| qnr-lt | well, technically, I can boot, to the internal flash, but not to mmc2 | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then mount mmc2 and fix it. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd start by fscking | 03:50 |
| qnr-lt | that's on the agenda, I was just on this computer trying to ssh over to it, so I thought I'd ask | 03:51 |
| qnr-lt | unlikely TBH (the fsck) - I probably screwed up and caused a confict (ran apt-get update and was rebooting) | 03:52 |
| qnr-lt | actually, I mean I ran apt-get upgrade | 03:54 |
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| * qnr-lt isn't too worried anyway, getting a 16gb class 6 in Monday, destined for use as mmc2 | 04:02 | |
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| mdg_ | hello! | 04:39 |
| mdg_ | I have a 770 with OS2007, trying to set it up with WPA - cannot connect | 04:40 |
| mdg_ | Is there a screen timeout setting I need to adjust or something? | 04:42 |
| mdg_ | local-link ip somthing .....? | 04:43 |
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| camel_liu | hi, everyone | 04:51 |
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| camel_liu | I want to control gstreamer stream playing in my SDL app. Can I receive EOS message in the SDL loop? | 04:53 |
| camel_liu | If I don't run g_main_loop_run, can my callback of gst_bus_add_watch receive thenmessage? | 04:55 |
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| mdg_ | Anyone with experience with WPA? | 05:12 |
| mdg_ | OS2007 WPA???? | 05:13 |
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| mdg_ | Anyone have WPA recommendations? | 05:16 |
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| mdg_ | Hi matt_c | 05:18 |
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| mdg_ | WPA setup anyone? | 05:22 |
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| cyrus__ | anyone here use mamona? | 06:50 |
| cyrus__ | the mamona channel, no one ever talks | 06:51 |
| bef0rd | hehe | 06:56 |
| cyrus__ | I am trying to create the fiasco image with MIC but get - http://pastebin.com/m24cc1acd | 06:58 |
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| * bef0rd haz no idea, sorry | 07:09 | |
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| zetheroo1 | when I was using mapper with GPS I was trying to get it to move the map as I went along the downloaded route ... | 07:31 |
| zetheroo1 | does anyone know how to get that working? | 07:31 |
| johnx | turn on auto center maybe? | 07:33 |
| johnx | I don't have a gps though | 07:33 |
| zetheroo1 | hmm | 07:36 |
| zetheroo1 | ok | 07:36 |
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| zetheroo1 | how do i stop the screen from going dim? | 07:40 |
| johnx | this is maemo mapper, right? | 07:41 |
| johnx | look through the options and preferences. maybe read the help file. I know there's an option for keeping the screen on | 07:41 |
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| zetheroo1 | ok ... looking | 07:48 |
| zetheroo1 | not finding anything about the screen though | 07:50 |
| zetheroo1 | :( | 07:50 |
| fiekia2 | im driving | 07:50 |
| johnx | zetheroo1, preferences -> misc. -> unblank screen: | 07:51 |
| johnx | did you get the auto center working at least? | 07:52 |
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| zetheroo1 | johnx: yes thanks... I think Auto-center works and Unbankscreen shoudl ork too | 07:55 |
| zetheroo1 | work* | 07:55 |
| zetheroo1 | my last thing is to get flite working ... | 07:56 |
| zetheroo1 | :) | 07:56 |
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| zetheroo1 | what is Tracking btw? | 07:57 |
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| johnx | I'm not sure exactly, but there really is a very complete help file | 07:59 |
| zetheroo1 | ok ... well I drove with my N810 to a place this morning and Tracking was enabled and now on my map I have a red line going to my destination and I would like to get rid of that ... | 08:00 |
| zetheroo1 | ahh ... I did it | 08:02 |
| zetheroo1 | Track > Clear ... | 08:02 |
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| RST38h | qwerty1234 | 09:34 |
| RST38h | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7730125.stm | 09:34 |
| RST38h | Hehehehe | 09:34 |
| RST38h | Even better: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085915/Divorced-reality-All-accounts-Second-Life-love-triangle-saw-woman-separate-husband-having-cyber-affair.html | 09:40 |
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| bradd | hi. is itt the place to ask maemo dev setup related questions? (using xepyhr, etc) ? | 10:38 |
| RST38h | yes. | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Development forum. | 10:41 |
| bradd | ok, thanks | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, many people compile maemo apps under poky instead? | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | a | 10:54 |
| hahlobit | does os2008 got gcc so you could compile from source? | 11:01 |
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| bradd | hahlobit, not sure, but I know there is a dev environment for linux that you can compile from source in | 11:04 |
| hahlobit | ok apparently at least gcc-3.4 found | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Sts: check with hrw | 11:07 |
| RST38h | He sounded like a poky fan once | 11:07 |
| bradd | poky is another scratchbox kind of thing? | 11:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | hmm, i am still unable to compile most of the lxde packages for m-r | 11:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | it wants perl 5.x and i have perl 5.8 | 11:11 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse cross compiling kernels | 11:18 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cross compiling kernels ! | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: thats odd | 11:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i try to get lxde working by force-architecturing lxpanel and lxsession-lite from armel repos | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 11:33 |
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| * RST38h is now getting spam in Turkish | 11:51 | |
| RST38h | First Polish, now this. Why, WHY? | 11:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad the Cyrillic spam stopped. | 11:55 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Damn, need to force pcmanfm too... | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | Okay, i give up with lxde... | 12:13 |
| RST38h | General: Lucky you | 12:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | need to force so many packages | 12:13 |
| RST38h | General: 'cause it did not here | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it's really weird ubuntu doesn't have lxde | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Also, I am now redirecting all email from *.cn to /dev/null | 12:14 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: We'll see where ubuntu on arm goes... | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, can't harm i guess | 12:15 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep. Gpicview is on hasty repo, but it is too old to work with lennys lxde... | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | Sorry for a stupid question but how do I make a short beep in maemo? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | think you have to go through playing a sound really | 12:29 |
| RST38h | there is gdk_beep() | 12:29 |
| RST38h | not sure if it works though | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ++ on the "i am bitter" thread :P | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm not sure processor architecture will mean anything about stability.. rather speed | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | the processors are backwards compatible | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | gdk_beep() does not appear to do anything | 12:56 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, hildon_play_system_sound - http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildon-2.0.4/hildon-hildon-sound.html . Use it to play /usr/share/sounds/ui-default_beep.wav | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | thanks! | 13:12 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: if the system works slow, i think it is not stable :) | 13:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um? | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | What, exactly, is your definition of stable? . . . | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | stability is if the system lives up to the functionality it provides for the duration of it's running | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't seem to quite mesh up with the rest of the universe. | 13:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | performance is a different creature, a program may be horridly slow but wouldn't mean it's not stable if it actually does what it's supposed to :P | 13:31 |
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| ShadowJK_ | hm, does kcbatt author still visit this channel? | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | ~seen KotCzarny | 13:37 |
| infobot | kotczarny <n=ariel@pool-72-76-3-73.nwrknj.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 1h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'nite nite'. | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | probably not :/ | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen KotCzarny_ | 13:37 |
| infobot | kotczarny_ <n=ariel@pool-68-162-32-101.nwrk.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 225d 16h 54m 46s ago, saying: 'hi pupnik'. | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | he's in liqbase though :P | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | the charging rate value almost acts like bit 9 of it was a flag, but that seems kinda odd coming from a ADC | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, well, the "easy" way is to just use lsha | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | l | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | or look at qemu retu emulator | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | / other chips | 13:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh, that's cute | 13:43 |
| * ShadowJK_ wonders why the battery-status thing grobes dbus | 13:43 | |
| Stskeeps | HAL | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, probably not battery status. it uses dsme to talk to bme | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | s/dsme/dbus | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | can't find any rate value there anyway | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | ~stab 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable | 13:48 |
| * infobot runs at 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 13:48 | |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK_: hint, "ftd" | 13:48 |
| * qwerty12 needs to reinstall that actually. the init scripts piss around though with the usb mounting | 13:50 | |
| * RST38h adding plot dragging to SlideRule | 13:53 | |
| RST38h | johnx is gonna get all his wishes except for cut&patse | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | what's sliderule again? | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: maemo.org/downloads/os2008 | 13:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh... heh.. it does make more sense as "charger voltage" than rate... | 13:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | thanks for ftd, sts | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh that | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps doubt he would be able to take his n800 to exams though | 14:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let me just look that up on wikipedia." | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | well we usually have open book exams so its useless to go on wikipedia :P | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | or oral ones | 14:05 |
| RST38h | what university? | 14:07 |
| * RST38h haven't heard about oral exams in the us | 14:07 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm in .dk :P | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | and au.dk | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | ah | 14:11 |
| RST38h | The last citadel of academic excellency! | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | we have four types of exams, - oral (you know the number of topics and which beforehand, you draw a random number, then present for 10-20 mins about the topic in question, they ask questions, afterwards give grade), written exams, multiple-choice (which are possibly to fail miserably and not possible to do randomly), and take-home exams (48 hours to solve certain tasks) :P | 14:14 |
| RST38h | sounds pretty much like Russia, except that multiple-choice were not used during my time and take-homes were known as homework B) | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | damN!! no coffee, sugar, cereal, or chocolate sprinkles. the world is about to end | 14:36 |
| * Stskeeps passes lcuk baco | 14:40 | |
| Stskeeps | n | 14:40 |
| lcuk | i hadnt checked the bacon supplies, but i think they are in just as sorry a state | 14:40 |
| lcuk | yesterday was shopping day, but was spent adventuring | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:41 |
| lcuk | hows "R" coming on | 14:42 |
| lcuk | or have you been pondering other things | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | building an image atm | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | and there's the developer porting survey on maemo-developers | 14:43 |
| * sp3000 suspects the /topic is stale | 14:44 | |
| sp3000 | either that or there are a lot of sprint meetings ;) | 14:44 |
| lcuk | i wonder if there is any simple way to (a) make "configure" work on device (b) speed up gcc (c) speed up c++ | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | for (a), "don't use busybox" | 14:45 |
| lcuk | but thats not simple to change | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | sure it is | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:46 |
| lcuk | that needs a *shock* chroot doesnt it? | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 14:46 |
| lcuk | last time i looked at this i nearly broke my tablet | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | but i know the reasons of busybox on the tablet, but part of this is showing to nokia there's reasons to change that would benefit the tablet | 14:46 |
| lcuk | yes, and having the sensible build tools available for use on the device itself would lower the cost of ownership | 14:47 |
| lcuk | it means people on every kind of OS can develop for it | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | i hope we get closer to a sane hildon desktop on this thing, so we can get people testing trying to port things | 14:47 |
| * johnx wanders by :) | 14:48 | |
| johnx | I guess I should test and upload the new hildon-desktop deb | 14:48 |
| lcuk | its not the testing, almost all folks who get far enough to actually compiling their software make the program they want | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo johnx | 14:48 |
| lcuk | but theres so many people who *want* to try but never get far enough | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well the idea is to show there's a high success rate in porting when using M-R principles, so | 14:48 |
| johnx | I need to fix the changelog, but that will take another rebuild, with docs and everything :/ | 14:49 |
| johnx | so I'll upload this for now after I test | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | is it a new version or a changelog? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | er | 14:50 |
| johnx | well it's the debian packaging for 2.0.7 applied to 2.0.19, but the changelog is from 2.0.7 ... | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | is the version higher than the latest one? | 14:50 |
| johnx | also, I messed up the version number "2.0.19" instead of "1:2.0.19" | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:50 |
| johnx | so no :/ | 14:50 |
| johnx | I'll just fix that and rebuild now. I was putting it off out of frustration | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | nah, upload first and test | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'll remove it from repo | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | the former one | 14:51 |
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| johnx | alright, let me run a quick test here | 14:52 |
| johnx | 5 minutes :) | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | so far porting issues: old GTK+, GLib and no 3D (hardware), missing / convoluted dependencies and needing a newer version of gcc (or was it python?) I think I gave up on compiling Boost | 14:53 |
| johnx | what uses boost? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | i could do with a boost | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: quite a lot of c++ apps i guess | 14:54 |
| * lcuk is going rockclimbing today | 14:54 | |
| johnx | well, it's not any more b0rken than it was before (this is on the zaurus) and it starts with just start-hildon | 14:57 |
| johnx | I'm sure there will be other problems as we get more of it running, but this seems like a much more sane start than the hildon-initscripts and osso-af-startup | 14:57 |
| johnx | I just wish I knew why this doesn't behave on the zaurus... | 14:58 |
| GAN800 | sp3000, fixitfixitfixit | 14:59 |
| johnx | life is one big sprint meeting :) | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: did you cut the hildon-initscripts and af-startup dependancy? | 15:00 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, that I did :) | 15:00 |
| johnx | no one else should ever have a linux machine desecrated like that | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | lol | 15:00 |
| lcuk | whats the lightest window manager / widget set that people know | 15:01 |
| johnx | matchbox and xaw | 15:01 |
| johnx | so you're already set for one :) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | im not necessarily thinking in x.. | 15:01 |
| johnx | maybe screen and ncurses? or do you mean something like directfb? | 15:02 |
| lcuk | well ive got the backbuffer, ive make my own crappy widget but its not functionally complete and is limited | 15:03 |
| lcuk | im looking to replace my widget set with the core of something expandable | 15:03 |
| lcuk | but i dont want to spent 6 months of my life doing it - the core libraries for a widgetset are like the core libraries for a 3d app - small | 15:03 |
| lcuk | just pushing this out might actually align my head with whats needed | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: QNX, Phonon? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | photon | 15:04 |
| johnx | isn't that closed? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | well he asked about the lightest ;) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | open or closed downst matter john, its the principles | 15:05 |
| johnx | well, I assume you want to see some source or headers without paying a couple grand | 15:05 |
| lcuk | ive pondered seriously about implementing the same kind of framework as windows user controls (activex without the network bit..) | 15:05 |
| johnx | actually, no here's something I'd love to see: BeOS's widget set :) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | heh, i keep thinking about the workbench and magicui | 15:06 |
| lcuk | the very first thing I did with liqbase when I created it was made a tiny applet for drag creating rectangles and UI elements | 15:07 |
| lcuk | but i had no concept of classes or sketch files to save to | 15:07 |
| lcuk | so the code went on the cutting room floor for a while | 15:07 |
| johnx | I'll throw out a couple ideas: fltk (it has fast and light in the *name* even :D ), haikuOS/BeOS widgets, or what about gnustep (but I guess that ties you to "Object Oriented C") | 15:07 |
| lcuk | johnx :) thanks | 15:08 |
| lcuk | can I get an object oriented c (objective c???) compiler? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | or would I have to generate my own | 15:09 |
| johnx | you mean binaries? yes for native compiling on debian/ubuntu | 15:09 |
| lcuk | native on device | 15:09 |
| johnx | so wish Stskeeps and I luck :) | 15:09 |
| lcuk | if i have an ide there i want to build from it | 15:09 |
| lcuk | johnx, i am watching you and sts rebuild the distro every day with a lot of interest :) i think its amazing to see the components go together and its giving me an appreciation of just what a linux system is composed of | 15:10 |
| johnx | well thankfully we've got a sane base to work with | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 2.0.19-2 is your current one? | 15:11 |
| lcuk | i know that johnx, i picture you and sts standing in the matrix "give me code, lots of code" | 15:11 |
| johnx | yes | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | cos there's a -3 one, which i'll remove | 15:11 |
| johnx | well mine would beed to be the only one, cause 1:2.0.19 is higher than 2.0.19 | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | i | 15:12 |
| johnx | but I'm going to fix things, replace the changelog with the right one, and re-upload after it compiles | 15:12 |
| johnx | should be a couple hours | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:12 |
| johnx | so maybe you should test this one if you want to and not add it to the repo | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | fits me better adding to repo for now | 15:13 |
| johnx | when I upload the next one I can just put it at -4 and make everything clean and sane | 15:13 |
| johnx | your call | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | since it's a moving target we can blow up stuff as much as we want | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | i have 3 day rollback of the repo so | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | from my backup system | 15:14 |
| johnx | ah, very nice | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | freshmeat! | 15:15 |
| lcuk | im going trolling the depths and seeing what i can find | 15:16 |
| johnx | lcuk, something like that, except with lots more time at the command line than they spent in the matrix :) | 15:16 |
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| johnx | maybe the tk from tcl/tk? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | im also still trying to work out which one of you is trinity | 15:16 |
| johnx | >_< | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: imho hildon desktop should depend on all things making it a DE, icons, etc | 15:18 |
| johnx | hmm, do we want to do it in the binary package or maybe make a separate meta package? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-env maybe | 15:19 |
| johnx | hildon-desktop-desktop-hildon | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | its something that always annoys me with hildon on debian/ubuntu | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-desktop-env | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:19 |
| johnx | sure, we can rename later if we want to upload back up to debian | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | flash count, 113mb, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/113mb.txt | 15:22 |
| johnx | great! is that before compression or after? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | this is jffs2 compressed | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/RLNusi67.html | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | trying to add in hildon-desktop now | 15:23 |
| johnx | still not bad at all | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | i would be happier with 120 mb with hildon-desktop really | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | so we'll see | 15:23 |
| johnx | I keep picturing how to work aufs into this mix, but I can't see a sane way :/ | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | dm-loop on vfat partition? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 15:24 |
| johnx | well just in terms of having upgrades installed to the flash and apps installed somewhere else leads to pain at an apt/dpkg level | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-desktop: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90) | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:25 |
| johnx | hmm, I'll fix that too | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:26 |
| johnx | wait, are you sure that's the right hildon-desktop? | 15:26 |
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| johnx | I think that's ubuntu's | 15:27 |
| lcuk | oh no, its that haxx0r | 15:27 |
| johnx | do you have package pinning in place? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, lemme see | 15:28 |
| johnx | lcuk, has "peer" struck again? | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hello to you too, lcuk :P | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | true, it's ubuntu's | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | how was pinning like again? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'll include it in the installer | 15:28 |
| lcuk | hiya qwerty, hows your sunday so far, mine is surprisingly sunny | 15:28 |
| johnx | http://pastebin.com/m6904e4d1 | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, dark & cloudy down here :\ | 15:29 |
| lcuk | boo | 15:29 |
| bradd | anyone know if theres an app that will not turn off the wifi connection if my tablet is connected to power? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | and this goes in what file? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | bradd, this is a desired feature - people are discussing making a profile based doofer for managing things like wifi brightness cpu etc | 15:30 |
| johnx | bradd, check out dbus-scripts in conjunction with gconf | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bradd, sounds like you want acmonitor | 15:31 |
| bradd | let me look.. | 15:31 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, well, that would be the easy way. easy = cheating :P | 15:31 |
| bradd | qwerty12_N800, wonderful.. that will do.. thanks | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, easy methods ftw :P | 15:32 |
| bradd | I was actually thinking about writing this, but since its already made i'm happy | 15:32 |
| johnx | frontend to dbus-scripts would win | 15:32 |
| lcuk | does acmon do wifi as well? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | the one i had didnt | 15:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it pings google from time to time to keep the connection up | 15:33 |
| lcuk | ahhhh | 15:33 |
| lcuk | only when on power though | 15:34 |
| lcuk | neat sidestep :) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: installed.. calculating flash size | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | did you get theme and such too? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | to get to your scrshot | 15:35 |
| johnx | I installed plankton and matchbox I believe | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:35 |
| johnx | but that screenshot isn't representative | 15:35 |
| johnx | something odd is b0rken in some lower level xlib when run on the zaurus (pxa270) | 15:35 |
| johnx | something that's really been a huge pain to track down | 15:36 |
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| * lcuk fixed his komodo configuration issue | 15:39 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yay, more liqbase für us :P | 15:40 |
| lcuk | there will be actually, im specing out lots of things | 15:40 |
| lcuk | ive been using real paper this week and am making code notes about desirables and evaluating what worked and what didnt | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 114mb with hildon-desktop | 15:41 |
| lcuk | liqbase has basically nothing now :) its such a good thing to know im gonna rebuild it better | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | no themes and suc yet | 15:41 |
| johnx | hot sauce! | 15:41 |
| lcuk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5593 Nov 15 03:04 liqbrain.c | 15:42 |
| lcuk | that means im still logged in with root doesnt it | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:43 |
| johnx | whoami | 15:44 |
| lcuk | ooooer | 15:44 |
| lcuk | you are johnx | 15:44 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if the theme stuff will make it jump 40 mb..:P | 15:51 | |
| johnx | O_o | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | kidding ofcourse, but wonder what impact it will be | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-icons, where does people get that? | 15:52 |
| johnx | hildon-sdk-icons I think? | 15:53 |
| amrileria | does anyone remember how to fix in maemo-mapper the inaccuracy of Google maps? at least in Beijing the Google maps are too inaccurate but on the other hand they have best coverage / details. | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nop, google doesn't know it | 15:53 |
| johnx | ah, well it's in debian | 15:54 |
| johnx | just "hildon-icons" | 15:54 |
| johnx | http://packages.debian.org/sid/hildon-icons | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. just wondering where the upstream nokia one is | 15:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the sdk ones are cc licenced. the ones with the nokia device aren't free to share | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah, sdk-default-icons | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: grabbing debian's one i guess | 15:59 |
| johnx | for packages that aren't in trunk Debian's packages are best | 15:59 |
| johnx | and since ubuntu has gone an entirely different direction if we ever want to merge upstream it would be with debian | 15:59 |
| * johnx wants to avoid more forking | 16:00 | |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:00 |
| * Stskeeps kinda likes mauku's "light screen and show update" | 16:02 | |
| Stskeeps | makes me notice when there's something new | 16:02 |
| johnx | ah, I should install mauku :) | 16:02 |
| lcuk | fools http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7731936.stm (this is really near me) | 16:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the car crash? :\ | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 16:08 |
| lcuk | they went down a 30 road at silly mph | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | was maemo firmware prelinked? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | nm, no prelink.cache in /etc :P | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | could be interesting to try http://linux.die.net/man/8/prelink on some key executables | 16:12 |
| * johnx crosses his fingers, pulls the trigger on a new build of hildon-desktop | 16:14 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:15 |
| * Stskeeps gets going on hildon-theme-plankton | 16:15 | |
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| oys | I'm a little confused about the 48 mhz kernel patch. is the speedup with my class 6 sdhc card noticable if I run the OS from flash? and is a precompiled kernel available for v4.2008.36-5 or will I need to compile my own? | 16:26 |
| johnx | "is it noticeable?" depends a lot on what you do with files on your sd card | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oys, re 2nd question: http://outpo.st/rotate/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200835maemo1rotationfast_all.deb | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/YkknOn65.html | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | (hildon-icons -> gnome-icon-theme (hicolor) | 16:31 |
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| johnx | hmm, patch maemo gtk to provide it? or hack the librsvg2-common package? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | think it's more sane to provide it i guess | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | was it you or me compilg it last time? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | (maemo-gtk) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | congrats jaffa :) | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah, me | 16:35 |
| johnx | you I think :) | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: ta :) | 16:35 |
| lcuk | the hard work was worth it :D or are they moving you from what you are good at | 16:35 |
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| Jaffa | Nah, same job. Just more money and the option of a company car. | 16:35 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | oh come on @ the top 10 posts, "boot in 5 seconds" | 16:36 |
| johnx | the other top post is the "safety & politics" right? | 16:37 |
| johnx | if I had to wait 5 seconds to resume from suspend-to-RAM I'd claw my brains out. what is with micro-optimizations of the exception "cold-boot" case? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i think my s2ram was really along the lines of 2 secs really | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | it was like same time taking to activate mce power button | 16:39 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: I thought one of the nokians had updated the rtcomm stuff into maemo-extras? | 16:39 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: maybe I'm wrong | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: 114mb after hildon-theme-cacher and hildon-theme-plankton | 16:44 |
| johnx | well we might stay under 120MB after all | 16:44 |
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| johnx | that would be pretty incredible | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | it would certainly make me happy | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | and if we count on 50% compression rate like there is currently, we have what, 279mb free for docs and apps? | 16:46 |
| johnx | well some thing compress and some don't | 16:47 |
| lcuk | you two sound like the engineers of the apollo 13 mission "gotta keep the reboot under 120 amps | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:48 |
| johnx | but yes, another 200MB+ for user apps sounds totally reasonable | 16:49 |
| johnx | and in practice user apps are the only thing that need to be on the internal flash | 16:50 |
| johnx | and those compress well so, yeah, that seems good | 16:50 |
| johnx | anyone expecting that they can fit 200MB of JPGs and AVIs on there will be in for a rude surprise though :D | 16:50 |
| lcuk | is it possible to supply the base boot from mmc type functionality into this | 16:50 |
| lcuk | without people having to become console ninjas | 16:51 |
| johnx | in your opinion, is the deblet installer easy enough? or were you looking for something simpler? | 16:52 |
| * Stskeeps thinks it would be a flashable image for users really | 16:53 | |
| Stskeeps | and then a control panel allowing you to clone or something | 16:53 |
| lcuk | yes Stskeeps exactly | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | im used to being able to insert a disk and formatting it and marking bootable | 16:53 |
| johnx | well partitioning and formatting is usually the hardest part | 16:54 |
| lcuk | from there a gui app could have clone to bootable : and list any partitions it finds | 16:54 |
| lcuk | didnt penguinbait just relase something like this | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and ruined multiboot for everyone else | 16:55 |
| lcuk | whoosh, i didnt look at the specifics | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | but this multiboot is part of the proposal so | 16:56 |
| lcuk | i dont know the mechanics of booting from mmc or the complexities | 16:56 |
| lcuk | i just know its desirable and people want to do it | 16:56 |
| lcuk | they know the internal flash wont last forever | 16:56 |
| lcuk | heh, it would be nice to use the mmc like old amiga disks | 16:57 |
| johnx | but it really will... | 16:57 |
| lcuk | i used to boot from my dev floppy when i wanted to do stuff | 16:57 |
| lcuk | or a different one for gaming | 16:57 |
| lcuk | it put me in the right frame of mind :) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | then i got a harddrive :D | 16:58 |
| johnx | the good old days aren't what they used to be :P | 16:58 |
| johnx | and I'll be terribly happy to see the death of mechanical storage | 16:58 |
| lcuk | johnx, but the good old days were more focused | 16:58 |
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| johnx | yes, and there was less potential | 16:59 |
| * johnx digs up a great essay for you to read :D | 16:59 | |
| lcuk | heh not now | 16:59 |
| lcuk | goin skiing | 16:59 |
| johnx | it's fine, bookmark it for later | 16:59 |
| johnx | it's titled "the past sucks" :D | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | amen | 17:00 |
| lcuk | "the past" had smoother graphics than now | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 0000000_oooooooo | 17:00 |
| johnx | the future will have even smoother graphics | 17:01 |
| lcuk | of course | 17:01 |
| lcuk | but i have a handheld device here which *can* do it now | 17:01 |
| johnx | multiboot will not make graphics smoother | 17:02 |
| lcuk | no lol | 17:02 |
| lcuk | but its just another tihng which "the past" could do | 17:02 |
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| johnx | finally, here it is: http://web.archive.org/web/19970108031014/www.coupland.com/story7.htm | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the irony... a archived copy | 17:05 |
| johnx | well it's from 1996 :D | 17:06 |
| johnx | it gets better with time as we get to laugh at all the awesome new tech he talks about | 17:06 |
| johnx | s/1996/1995/ | 17:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 17:07 |
| lcuk | even though its our past its the future from the past sucks guys perspective so it must be full of awesome | 17:08 |
| johnx | it is. I have a handheld more powerful than his laptop for 1/10 the price that runs for 10 hours on a charge | 17:08 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to storm with some more bugs since #3858 isn't getting any love so far | 17:16 | |
| Stskeeps | which brings me to the philosophical question: does every bug report deserve an honest answer? | 17:16 |
| derf | Every bug is special. | 17:18 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, well a couple hours have passed and I now have a sane hiidon-desktop. unfortunately it's also a "19-2" after fixing the changelog. *sighs* | 17:40 |
| johnx | should I just bump one more time to 19-3? | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | sane as it in actually shows correctly or? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 19-3 is fine | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035635.html | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | oh boy | 17:43 |
| johnx | not on zaurus, and I can't test on n800 or qemu right now. but sane as in the versions, deps and changelog are "right" | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | (read that post btw) | 17:44 |
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| johnx | yeah, that's icky | 17:44 |
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| johnx | I think we'll see an increase in patent trolling in the short term as software/business practice patents are coming under more scrutiny in the US | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:46 |
| johnx | so companies want to make their money through settlements before their patents turn to pumpkins | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | my goal of tonight is recompiling maemo gtk and experimenting with how big a flash hildon-icons adds | 17:46 |
| johnx | alright, and now that I have everything up to hildon-desktop I'll try getting a semi-usable desktop up on the n800 | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | want my latest installer tar.gz? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'll just check it into svn | 17:47 |
| johnx | that would be great | 17:47 |
| johnx | I'm going to re-upload 19-2 for now, and I'll run the re-package again as I head to sleep. I'd like to be able to actually use my machines for some non-compiling purpose for a couple hours :) | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer/ | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:50 |
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| johnx | looks like there's a bug with mouse release events in xorg tslib. | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, meiz was talking about that | 18:31 |
| johnx | got a fix from debian :) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:31 |
| johnx | patch/release coming soon | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm compilin' away | 18:32 |
| johnx | what package now? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | maemo-gtk | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | with make -j4 though | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | so we can install hildon-icons | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | what was the changes in the latest one you uploaded? | 18:34 |
| johnx | maemo-gtk? hildon-desktop? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | h-d | 18:34 |
| johnx | cleaning up the way I applied the debian packaging | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:34 |
| johnx | it fixed a couple dep bugs, has the right changelog and (nokia's instead of debian's) and is "1:2.0.19-2" again | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | k - then i will just do the switcheroo in the repo | 18:35 |
| johnx | thanks. I'm so sick of waiting for that same package to recompile and get its docs back together | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | why not do DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nodocs though? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | i did tha :P | 18:36 |
| johnx | debian's package doesn't have it | 18:37 |
| johnx | I could add it, but that's one more thing to go wrong | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | added to repo | 18:41 |
| johnx | thanks. I'll keep my versions correct from now on | 18:42 |
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| Guysoft42 | hey, i seem to have a bug when i type an email in hebrew with the on-screen keyboard. the e-mail program crashes. where do i report that bug? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.maemo.org i believe | 18:45 |
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| Guysoft42 | you think anyone will handle it? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | well the hebrew thing was part of the OS or not? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | and the e-mail program shouldn't crash at international input | 18:48 |
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| Guysoft42 | its the hebrew package.... | 18:48 |
| Guysoft42 | not sure what repository it comes from | 18:48 |
| johnx | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/him-hebrew/ | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | still, it shouldn't crash at international input :P | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | try reporting it anyway | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: johnx ran into the clicking problem too btw | 19:01 |
| Guysoft42 | maybe its bidi... there was a simular bug in nautilus when copying multiple files in hebrew only | 19:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Allright, at the second i am reflashing my n810, you guys upload hildon-desktop and make world littlebit better. | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hehe.. still some small issues to go | 19:02 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, have a fix for mouse events coming up too :) | 19:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | It looks like xorg does not work really well with tslib | 19:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | :( | 19:02 |
| johnx | define "not well" | 19:03 |
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| johnx | there is probably more than one problem with things as they are :) | 19:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | i still think it's amazing to have xorg and not some kdrive thing | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:04 |
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| Meiz_n810 | yep | 19:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | What advantage does xorg have? | 19:05 |
| johnx | input support | 19:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | can i get wlan working? for now it is the only reason i have to chroot... | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | hm | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | input support? | 19:05 |
| johnx | ShadowJK_, more of it :) | 19:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | mouse works | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, i'll make some nonfree hack at some point | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | for firmware tc | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | johnx, what's missing in kdrive? | 19:06 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if xinerama is possible.. :> | 19:06 | |
| Meiz_n810 | ShadowJK_: you can not use "real" mouse. | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | No support for normal mice? | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | I've had mouse pointer appear and stick until reboot once... | 19:07 |
| johnx | I think the HAL patch might be interfering with the button release patch :/ we can always re-add HAL support later | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK_ | But I guess if it doesn't know how to read /dev/input/mice :( | 19:08 |
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| Meizirkki | m-r console just started asking me a password | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i forgot to add passwd and securetty in installer | 19:12 |
| Meizirkki | passwd is installed | 19:13 |
| Meizirkki | back to chroot | 19:14 |
| Meizirkki | and now back to m-r | 19:14 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: does the keyboard work in xorg? | 19:16 |
| Meizirkki | i remember i was unable to type anything in gdm | 19:16 |
| johnx | I honestly have no idea. it does on my zaurus though | 19:16 |
| johnx | likely a HAL thing | 19:16 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:17 |
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| Meizirkki | If i force-architecture tablet-hw-n8x0-non-free and install wlan-firmware, should i be able to connect open wlan somehow? | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, somewhat | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | you're probably better off waiting for me :) | 19:21 |
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| johnx | rotated framebuffers are funny. always strange to see the screen refresh from left to right :) | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Does sshfs explicitly need openssh-client? | 19:28 |
| guysoft422 | strange.. the bug stoped.. and it happened twice. | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | anyone knows what gtk event i can use to track a stylus/finger drag? | 19:31 |
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| Bilaw | hello all! | 19:47 |
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| Bilaw | I'am having a serious problem with my tablet: it keeps rebooting (memory card corrupted or not fomated). I am trying to reflash it (I'm using Linux), but bash says: Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted | 19:51 |
| Bilaw | Any idea , anyone? | 19:51 |
| andre____ | what exact flash command do you use? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | prefix the command with sudo | 19:51 |
| andre____ | become root i guess, yepp | 19:51 |
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| Bilaw | Alright, I'll try that! | 19:52 |
| Bilaw | Holly mackerel, it was ONLY that ('tis about my fourth reflashing, and I still can't learn how to do it properly?!?). Many thanks, andre__ & qwerty12! | 19:57 |
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| andre__ | there's a wiki page describing it :-P | 19:57 |
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| Bilaw | but this page IS MY BIBLE, andre__! Here's the sadness in it! Even though I read VERY carefully everytime, theres still something I miss! | 19:58 |
| dt | Is there a simple command to add a file to the media player's current playlist? | 19:59 |
| dt | thinking I'd like gpodder to enqueue, at least sometimes | 20:00 |
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| Veggen | evening. | 20:06 |
| Veggen | Had a rather annoying GPS-event in the weekend, with my BGT-31. The UI *completely* locked up. Was impossible to turn off at all, and battery can not be removed. | 20:06 |
| Veggen | But now, it ran out of batteries - and is om again. | 20:07 |
| Veggen | ugh. wrong channel. | 20:07 |
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| disco_stu | lol | 20:07 |
| * johnx makes a note to stay away from the BGT-31 | 20:07 | |
| * qwerty12 googles BGT-31 and realises I'd never want to buy it anyway :P | 20:07 | |
| johnx | I don't really trust things without an off switch anyways | 20:08 |
| johnx | but it's always funny when I "crash" me bt headphones while testing | 20:08 |
| * disco_stu copies from his irc mates | 20:08 | |
| RST38h | same crap happens with other receivers as well | 20:08 |
| RST38h | holux 240 is like that as well - had to return it after it went nuts | 20:09 |
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| Veggen | qwerty12: I kind of like it enough to give it another try :) | 20:10 |
| Veggen | i.e. it's damned good for my use :) | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | :). I have no need for a GPS anyway at the moment so I'm just rambling :/ | 20:11 |
| Veggen | can never have enough GPSes. | 20:11 |
| Veggen | I need more of them, so I can lend out to others that can track their hiking trips etc ;) | 20:12 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: would you lend me one ? | 20:12 |
| Veggen | disco: if you were in my area, and was gonna go on a trip I wanted the track from, definitely. | 20:13 |
| disco_stu | lol | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Veggen: so, what do you do with those others while you are tracking them on their hiking trip? | 20:13 |
| * qwerty12 goes to Norway, gets Veggen to lend me one, goes on a "trip" back to London :p | 20:13 | |
| disco_stu | are you a stalker ? | 20:13 |
| disco_stu | lol | 20:14 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: nah, I'm a mapper ;) | 20:14 |
| RST38h | is cannibalism involved? =) | 20:14 |
| Veggen | www.openstreetmap.org | 20:14 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: i can map you argentina if you lend me one | 20:14 |
| disco_stu | s/you/for you/ | 20:14 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: Veggen: i can map for you argentina if you lend me one | 20:14 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: If you promised to map all of Argentina and stood by it, I'd *donate* one ;) | 20:14 |
| Veggen | heck, I might even donate several. | 20:15 |
| disco_stu | is a huge country :) | 20:16 |
| johnx | well, then you have a lot of work to do | 20:16 |
| johnx | :D | 20:16 |
| disco_stu | lol | 20:16 |
| guysoft422 | hey, does anyone know where i can download tango (gps) for nokia n810? | 20:18 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: www.proyectomapear.com.ar | 20:19 |
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| disco_stu | Veggen: the whole country mapped | 20:19 |
| disco_stu | open source work | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, is there a command that shows me the dependencies of a module? | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh, I'm blind, modinfo :) | 20:20 |
| johnx | but you'll have to follow it recursively if you want the whole tree | 20:21 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: hmm. Is that a Garmin-map only project? My spanish is non-existing, virtually... | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Sure, It's only smbfs. I only had to trace it once back to nls_base :) | 20:21 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: its only for garmin | 20:22 |
| disco_stu | :( | 20:22 |
| Veggen | hmmf..and also non-commercial, says the license. | 20:23 |
| disco_stu | in my n800 is so slow to open garmin maps | 20:23 |
| Veggen | and also only for personal use. | 20:23 |
| Veggen | El Usuario es libre de utilizar el Software, copiarlo y distribuirlo en forma gratuita, siempre para uso individual y no comercial. | 20:23 |
| Veggen | too bad. | 20:23 |
| disco_stu | but we are in argentina | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:24 |
| disco_stu | we dont care, we break every law or license | 20:24 |
| Veggen | disco: I would not call the "open source"-work, tho. | 20:24 |
| disco_stu | so if someone breaks one we dont care | 20:24 |
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| johnx | but something like that could never be part of a real international free software project | 20:25 |
| Veggen | disco: Well. I wouldn't rip it off to put it into www.openstreetmap.org, cause someone could eventually care, and I would probably have destroyed and caused all Argentina to have to be ripped out again. | 20:25 |
| Veggen | (even the contributions made after, because it could be derived from etc) | 20:25 |
| disco_stu | i would love to have arg in thah repo :'( | 20:25 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: Get a GPS and start on it? ;) | 20:26 |
| disco_stu | maybe i would ask that people to change the license | 20:26 |
| Veggen | there's some coverage on Argentina in it, though. | 20:27 |
| guysoft422 | er - doesn't anyone here use tango gps? | 20:27 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: tomorrow google street maps get available for arg | 20:27 |
| disco_stu | we are so excited ! | 20:28 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: google streetmaps are not free either. | 20:28 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: but i can use them on my n800, wich is my need right now | 20:28 |
| johnx | Guysoft42, if anyone did, they would have answered the first time | 20:31 |
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| disco_stu | guysoft42 what is tango for ? | 20:33 |
| disco_stu | Veggen: how much costs a gps to you ? in usd dollars | 20:35 |
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| Meizirkki | What the fuck is wrong with my n810 | 20:37 |
| Meizirkki | debootstrap naggs about corrupted relese file | 20:37 |
| Veggen | disco_stu: depends, but one that you could use with the n800 would cost around $100 for a decent one that has other functions than to relay GPS-info realtime to the n8100. | 20:37 |
| Veggen | eh, the n800. | 20:37 |
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| Veggen | double it for a decent one that you can log data and mark waypoints with.. | 20:37 |
| johnx | Meizirkki, run dmesg and see if something's up with your sd card? | 20:38 |
| Veggen | double it again for a good Garmin w/color screen and possibility to use maps etc :) | 20:38 |
| StsN800 | Meizirkki, segfault again? | 20:38 |
| Meizirkki | no | 20:39 |
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| Meizirkki | This time it gone insane another way | 20:39 |
| StsN800 | hm? | 20:39 |
| Meizirkki | everything was slow, up and down keys was not usable in terminal, etc... | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, would the English translations of the categories qualify as your work? | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101, well, they uploaded some of them, but not all of the dependencies are there, so it's not actually installable. | 20:41 |
| StsN800 | Meizirkki, in maemo or m-r? | 20:44 |
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| StsN800 | wb | 20:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | debootstrap never worked when booted from internal mmc, but not the one in flash stopped working | 20:48 |
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| johnx | and there's nothing interesting in dmesg? | 20:49 |
| StsN800 | weird, md5sum is in /bin? | 20:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | wait... | 20:49 |
| johnx | StsN800, could be needed in early bootup? | 20:49 |
| StsN800 | im not sure what the main problem is:P | 20:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is qole really that thick? | 20:56 |
| johnx | eh? | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242424&postcount=122 | 20:57 |
| johnx | sure he's not qoling? :D | 20:57 |
| StsN800 | watch out, he watches logs ;) | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800 . . . lol. | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was so hoping you guys were gonna throw down. | 20:58 |
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| johnx | no time to flame, must hack | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine trolling through logs to find places where people have said potentially negative things about you then confronting them about it. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure it was just incidental to reviewing the logs, but the way he approached you about it. . . . | 21:00 |
| johnx | I should really go further and defend anyone with the same nick as me :D | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, my finger moved to the kick key after he said that. <_< | 21:00 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, meh - fair is fair, i'm a little blunt at times and i got what i deserved | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think my karma's stuck. . . . | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, first patch for the open source wifi driver | 21:03 |
| gentooer | my root partition is being mounted read only.. i have no clue why. is there anyway to force it RW? | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | root partition on a card? | 21:05 |
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| gentooer | GeneralAntilles, yes internal card | 21:05 |
| gentooer | ext3 | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810? | 21:05 |
| gentooer | n800 | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the card corrupted? | 21:06 |
| johnx | you should try and run fsck on it | 21:06 |
| gentooer | i don't believe so, the second partition mounts fine | 21:06 |
| gentooer | i'll check it | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partitions can become corrupted independently of each other. | 21:06 |
| gentooer | hmm i don't have fsck.ext3 installed | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of interest, what brand is the card? | 21:06 |
| johnx | e2fsprogs | 21:06 |
| gentooer | pny | 21:07 |
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| gentooer | i probably can't install it since it's read only.. | 21:07 |
| johnx | ah, you're booting from SD? | 21:07 |
| gentooer | yes | 21:07 |
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| gentooer | so it's obviously not that messed up | 21:08 |
| johnx | dmesg | tail | 21:08 |
| johnx | ^anything obviously strange in that^ | 21:08 |
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| gentooer | just "EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled" | 21:09 |
| gentooer | not sure what that's about | 21:09 |
| johnx | that's normal | 21:09 |
| johnx | well, the remount probably happened a while ago :/ | 21:09 |
| johnx | I would try and boot to flash, install e2fsprogs and check it | 21:10 |
| gentooer | ok i'll try that | 21:10 |
| johnx | it could be some other problem, but it's nice to eliminate fs corruption first | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wb Meiz_n810 | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: another cause of corrupted can also be that you didn't have anything in /mnt/deblet mounted | 21:13 |
| gentooer | huh.. i just did a reboot from a root shell and everything is fine now.. does the power button not do a full reboot? | 21:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | i had | 21:13 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | gentooer, not if the charger is in | 21:14 |
| johnx | gentooer, check your fs for corruption :P | 21:14 |
| gentooer | yeah i'm installing e2fsprogs now | 21:14 |
| johnx | good :) | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: mr1 up | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | of maemo-gtk | 21:15 |
| johnx | great | 21:15 |
| johnx | I'll put up a new screenshot of hildon-desktop in a sec | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | you got it to be more shinier? | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who can we get to slap together a DE/user switcher for use on boot? | 21:16 |
| johnx | gdm will work "out of the box" | 21:16 |
| johnx | but we're not anywhere near that stage yet :P | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | even though gdm is not the most lightweight ;) | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, so the question is actually. "Who will make GDM shiny and sweet"? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | the world really needs a lightweight dm that looks sane | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm a dreamer. ;) | 21:17 |
| johnx | no one. the people who want to use it prefer to use desktop apps | 21:17 |
| johnx | gpe-dm is close to sane | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | what isn't sane of it though? | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | (is it GTK?) | 21:19 |
| johnx | well it's not shiny | 21:19 |
| johnx | and it's actually missing a DE switcher | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:19 |
| johnx | but it's lightweight and has a method for having an embedded keyboard | 21:19 |
| johnx | s/embedded/embedded onscreen/ | 21:20 |
| infobot | johnx meant: but it's lightweight and has a method for having an embedded onscreen keyboard | 21:20 |
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| guysoft422 | johnx, how come its not available - they seem to mention it in the homepage of tangogps :-S . and open moko user use it.. | 21:24 |
| guysoft422 | disco_stu, tango is a gps program | 21:24 |
| johnx | Guysoft42, you're asking me why a program I don't use isn't available? | 21:25 |
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| guysoft422 | johnx, i am asking - you dont have to answer :-) . | 21:33 |
| johnx | I'm just wondering why you're asking me specifically? | 21:33 |
| guysoft422 | johnx, you are welcome to advise on another. i am just trying to find a mapping program that works for my county. the thing is that the opem moko user i talked to recommended tangogps | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: flash count with hildon-icons and such on | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft422: maemo mapper can take a wide range of online mapping services | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: +comingup | 21:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, great, grabbing hildon-icons in a sec, then I'll put up screenshots | 21:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | Just reflashed... I hope debootstrap works noe... | 21:36 |
| guysoft422 | does it use Openstreetmap? | 21:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | *now | 21:36 |
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| johnx | Guysoft42, it uses openstreetmap, or google maps, and some other services too | 21:37 |
| guysoft422 | johnx, allright, thatks :) | 21:37 |
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| RST38bis | anybody knows how to track finger/stylus drag in maemo? | 21:38 |
| RST38bis | gtk motion event does not seem to work | 21:38 |
| guysoft422 | johnx, if you want me to talk about mamo-mapper, it does not seem to detect my gps .. does it need to point to /dev/pgps? or the gpsd at 127.0.0.1? | 21:38 |
| johnx | I actually don't have a GPS :) | 21:38 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | Guysoft42, set it to bluetooth (yes, even if you are using n810 internal gps) | 21:39 |
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| guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, that might solve the problem :-) .. should i put anything else there? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 123mb | 21:42 |
| johnx | ah, well, pretty close still | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | not 100% accurate though, going to reinstall image | 21:42 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Guysoft42, nope, leave the textbox next to the bluetooth blank :) | 21:43 |
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| guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, right, ill try that next time i have wifi and a clear view of the sky | 21:48 |
| guysoft422 | qwerty12-N800, or is there a way to force it to download maps now? | 21:48 |
| qwerty12-N800 | no idea, i don't use maemo mapper | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, qwerty doesn't get out of the house after we made him hack in a cage for our profit | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
| guysoft422 | um, anyone else knows maybe? | 21:50 |
| qwerty12-N800 | :p | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft422: search internettablettalk.com/forums for it | 21:50 |
| qwerty12-N800 | ~curse initfs for wanting programs in big endian | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's a comprehensive guide somewhere | 21:50 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, initfs for wanting programs in big endian ! | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | why in big endian? | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Force what to download maps? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | uclibc? :P | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: caching maps in MM | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just center up the area that you want in your view and download away. . . . | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i think there's some good candidates for alternate dependancies.. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is my recommendation to anybody and everybody with questions about Maemo Mapper: take 15 minutes and browse through the menu options. Everything you need is there. :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | whatever depends on pciutils, for intance. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i would love a pci slot at the edge of my tablet, but.. :P | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | and the things making initramsfs's | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, seriously, the white screen of death on wiki is just too ironic. it is definately a 770 running it. | 21:54 |
| johnx | heh | 21:54 |
| johnx | openmoko phones apparently have some software related WSoD as well | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | i can't take openmoko seriously after seeing one of them in action | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do they really? | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, software problem or hardware? | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not sure which honestly, but we were trying out the moko equivalent of bluemaemo | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | and i've never seen such a unresponsive and slow interface, and connectivity | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | and not really strong processor either | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | hm, reading up on it, it should really be stronger than it appeared.. | 21:56 |
| * Stskeeps waits for debootstrap | 21:57 | |
| johnx | some kind of memory bus problem | 21:58 |
| RST38bis | does bluemaemo work at all? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: aren't we quite close to actual base system? missing MCE and DSME, but besides that | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: yeah, it was decent | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: (or OHM) | 21:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think so | 21:58 |
| RST38bis | didn't work for me - host does not find it | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: for that i think we'll use powerlaunch (MCE) | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, powered | 21:59 |
| disco_stu | someone could use bluemaemo in Linux ? | 21:59 |
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| johnx | new screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktopxwd.png | 21:59 |
| johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png | 21:59 |
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| johnx | that first one is awesome cause I posted one that looks exactly like it 9 months ago :) | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: is sapwood running? | 22:00 |
| johnx | yes | 22:00 |
| johnx | it's working fine too | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | the first one is under same session as the secon? | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | Shit, i am out of all fun :( | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have now reflashed three times | 22:01 |
| johnx | nope | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | nothing helps | 22:01 |
| johnx | first one was before icons | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ah! | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: reinstalled deblet installer too? | 22:01 |
| RST38bis | try soldering iron! | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and this is on n800? | 22:02 |
| johnx | interesting side note: hildon-desktop is pretty crashy if it's missing its icons | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | or aurus | 22:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | if i reflash, it means i have to install deblet-installer again... | 22:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, n800 (note 800x480) :) | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: bloody glad we made it to this point | 22:03 |
| guysoft422 | Stskeeps, thanks ill have a lok | 22:03 |
| guysoft422 | look* | 22:03 |
| guysoft422 | another question - is there a simple way to set up usb network over linux and the device, so i can sync gpe ? | 22:03 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah :D this time it feels like we have a sane base to work with | 22:03 |
| johnx | unlike the last time I was at this point with all sorts of weird hacks that I didn't even remember | 22:04 |
| johnx | Guysoft42, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | this with "my" installer, btw? | 22:04 |
| johnx | yes, but I ended up installing addition packages so the disk usage isn't representative | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I guess so. | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: k | 22:05 |
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| * johnx can't live without rsync/screen | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i think i'll wait for my debootstrap and then bait some attention from nokia | 22:06 |
| RST38bis | ah, screen.. you saved me so many times... | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: but these screenshots definately belongs on hall of fame on the jaiku channel :) | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | so should be posted for logging | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | locales worked out of the box? | 22:07 |
| johnx | they're somewhat there :/ | 22:07 |
| johnx | I had to locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | fine, same with me | 22:07 |
| johnx | and even so only some of the strings are converted | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | feel free to add that to the installer so it does that | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | installer copies in xorg.conf as well so | 22:08 |
| johnx | also hildon-desktop is somewhat crashy. might just be an artifact of it being pulled from trunk | 22:08 |
| johnx | where would the ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb go? somewhere in udev scripts I guess? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | maybe cos of lack of sound devices | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think it's a udev script somewhere | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | we really ought to recompile so it looks for /dev/fb0 instead though | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: atleast this is a fairly portable maemo base | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK, GPLv2 acceptable for the license then? ;) | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | now we can slowly start showing off, i guess, - gparted running without anything but hildonization, etc :P | 22:11 |
| johnx | I finally have a reason to learn basic hildonization techniques (!) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:12 |
| johnx | and no more excuses | 22:12 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 learnt the basics the other day, even I could do it :/ | 22:13 | |
| johnx | I guess I'm just a better procrastinator then :D | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | we need hildon-input-method and friends too i guess | 22:14 |
| qwerty12-N800 | johnx, you don't know me with homework :P | 22:14 |
| johnx | qwerty12-N800, been there, done that :P | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://v1.moblin.org/toolkits/basicDevGuides/simpleApp/toolkits_DevGds_simpleApp_GTKApp.php | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | seems simple enough | 22:15 |
| johnx | I guess we do have the example h-i-m to use | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:15 |
| johnx | this time I think we should avoid closed source stuff at an app level | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah :) | 22:16 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 finally fixes that bug where that initfs mod doesn't show more than 5 digits. damn, i've got to learn proper shell scripting | 22:17 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i think it's possible to have flash in this thing too though | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | now that we have maemo-gtk | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | but for now our target is the "open" base and find out where we can't exist without closed source stuff | 22:17 |
| johnx | ok, so time for hildon-input-method :) | 22:18 |
| johnx | I think I'll get back to compiling on my n800. the zaurus is just too slow for this O_o | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | we should get sb2 going at some point too i guess | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | even though the opposite direction of qemu and distcc surprisingly works well | 22:20 |
| johnx | it fought with scim/anthy (JP input) last time I tried it, so I need to try bootstrapping again | 22:21 |
| johnx | qemu, not sb2 | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | think where it works best is having a huge rootstrap with -dev and everything installed, with not that many "fancy" packages on top as the emulation isn't 100% solid | 22:22 |
| johnx | well basically, I couldn't get input into the console because scim was trying to be too clever | 22:23 |
| RST38bis | sts: first thing to remenber about rootstrap: | 22:23 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, johnx: do you have armv6el rootfs tar.gz somewhere? If not, i can use qoles one. | 22:24 |
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| RST38bis | do not, DO NOT include TeX | 22:24 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, sorry, I just installed a huge amount of stuff :/ | 22:24 |
| RST38bis | no, really, you won't believe it but people do not need tex and docinfo tools | 22:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | No problem, i will use qoles :) | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: look in /debootstrap/debootstrap.log on your debootstrap target and tell me if something suspicious tis there | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: aw, but latex is cute =P | 22:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps:ok | 22:25 |
| RST38bis | sts: so keep it in your bed or something | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:26 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps, steady on! :P | 22:26 |
| RST38bis | I am also not sure if dev lib versions are necessary | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: you're hereby in charge of developing the sdk | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:26 |
| RST38bis | too large, may be better off as an option | 22:26 |
| RST38bis | sts: ok, how much per hour? =) | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | good man, i said the same the other day to someone who expected i'd do several hours of computer work for free that isn't part of my volunteer work at the dorm | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | i think i just really need to get my hands dirty with sb2 though | 22:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tex is included in Fremantle | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, i wouldn't mind stuff like LyX on tablet, but. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | who was the genius asking about md5sum? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | <- | 22:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | thats it | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | told you | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 22:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | where can i get it? | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | run deblet installer but dont make it install | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | (press cancel a couple of types) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | times | 22:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | okk | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: we so need to get splash working.. :P | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 22:32 |
| RST38bis | general: if i remember correctly it is needed for some obscure documentation scrit tha nobody really uses | 22:32 |
| * johnx sighs | 22:32 | |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 22:33 |
| RST38bis | general: unfortunately, it still gets included and then you have to remove it manually to ffree space | 22:33 |
| * johnx prefers to see boot messages | 22:33 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | so do i, but if we're showing off to executives ;) | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | and boot messages are what rescue menu is for | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make sure the option is toggleable in a control panel. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | splash is on by default, hold down "home" button at boot, select framebuffer console in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE ;) | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | to get boot messages | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | 16min50s | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | mojo so needs mirrors. | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess i should try demoing it on beagle too eventually :P | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | (inspired by GA's deblet on beagle photo) | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles glances sadly over at the Beagle. | 22:40 | |
| johnx | and I'd really love to track down this stupid problem on the zaurus | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | is it dead or? | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still no working bootloader | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't figure it out for some reason. :/ | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | So now I'm just waiting a month or two until the kernel stabilizes a bit. :P | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and things like sound and s-video actually work. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i think i might have pulled the trigger on that too soon when my work bought the two beagles, thought it was decent already | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | so we are working on an atom board atm with a picopsu | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, as did I. :\ | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | (which also will be running m-r if i have my will.) | 22:42 |
| * johnx twiddles his thumbs while he waits for his own omap3 | 22:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The Overo's cheap. | 22:43 |
| johnx | but the pandora is ordered :) | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 22:43 |
| johnx | thus my other renewed interest in mojo/re-maemo | 22:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm still saddened that Karel made me hate the Pandora so much. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn that thing is creepy small: http://www.gumstix.net/Overo/cat/Overo/115.html | 22:44 |
| johnx | oh, just wait. I can't possibly see a scenario in which he's happy with how it works for the first 6 months | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not really sure what he expects. | 22:45 |
| johnx | most of the accessories actually live on a separate board though (re: overo) | 22:45 |
| johnx | he expects all the community vaporware to condense into reality before people have them in their hands | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get his angle on the UI | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | He seems to hate Maemo so much for having a shitty UI | 22:47 |
| guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, did you get the usb-networking to work on diablo? i get "module inversion error" | 22:47 |
| johnx | in terms of user experience the n8x0 is basically the shining example for linux handhelds (except android devices) | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora's gonna be, what, Enlightenment? | 22:47 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, gmenu2x from the start | 22:47 |
| johnx | then, whatever people put on it | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft422, my ubuntu desktop disagrees with it for some reason :\ | 22:47 |
| guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, so does my debian... | 22:47 |
| guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, but i was talking about the nokia device iself | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love UI projects that don't have screenshots on their websites. | 22:48 |
| guysoft422 | itself* | 22:48 |
| johnx | that's why I'd like to show up at launch day with maemo-reconstructed and herd everyone in that direction | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh yeah, he's gonna loooove this: http://archive.gp2x.de/cfiles/screenshots/gmenu2x.png | 22:48 |
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| mavhc | really UI projects should have video, I could make a screenshot that made a windows/macos/linux GUI look good | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, videos usually mean Flash | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I hardly bother loading anymore. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, anyway, I'm not actually interested in an in-depth usability study. I just want to know generally what it looks like. | 22:50 |
| johnx | it's things like that gmenu2x screenshot that make me bite my tongue everytime karel trolls, just so I don't tip him off | 22:50 |
| johnx | if I was responsible for him adjusting his expectations early, I donn't know what I'd do | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo on the Pandora will be cool, though. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be interesting to see what comes with the alpha SDK | 22:51 |
| johnx | yes, I hope so | 22:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the new hell johnx is going to plunge Karel into. | 22:52 | |
| johnx | I really, really hope that the pandora doesn't end up with 10 mutually exclusive UIs with their own set of programs | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's gonna end up being the only decent one | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | he'll never escape! :P | 22:53 |
| johnx | ha! and did you see *my* recent screenshot | 22:53 |
| johnx | still a long way to go | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: alpha sdk is one thing but qgil indicated there's plenty of room for change | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | h-a-m should be included in the alpha release | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how much of the UI is coming with it. | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | which is why we're stressing a bit with m-r atm | 22:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish I had the skills to help. :P | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: meh, you seem to help with community and such atm, which is what i'm personally not that good at | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | (which is code for, I'm really glad you guys are doing all of the heavy lifting instead of me. :P) | 22:55 |
| johnx | well, if you have a lack of skills, try substituting ungodly stubbornness :D | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm duplicating your post to bait qgil a bit as he follows my jaikus | 22:55 |
| johnx | which post? | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | the scrshot | 22:56 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be cool if you get some Nokians involved once the SDK is out the door. | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, think they're a bit stressed out these day | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | s | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're always stressed. | 22:58 |
| johnx | they've already done a lot to improve their packages and get caught up with upstream | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i was less stressed with this than expected | 22:59 |
| johnx | and thank god for the pkg-maemo guys \o/ | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, oh, about that bug | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Were you actually expecting a real turnaround there? :P | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 23:00 |
| johnx | awesome jaiku feature: being able to mark my own posts as spam | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | it was testing the waters | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, simple, stupid stuff from 2007 is just now getting WONTFIXed because Nokia ignored it until the window of opportunity ran out. . . . | 23:01 |
| johnx | a shot across the bow if you will | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eero's a good one to CC about platform stuff, anyway. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's plenty other bugs to report from the #reconstructedPOC log | 23:01 |
| johnx | heh...I've got two "osso-af-startup exists" and "hildon-initscripts exists" | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | h-i-m or? | 23:03 |
| johnx | nah, those are my two pet bugs | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | that osso-af-startup exists | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's a clusterfuck | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:03 |
| johnx | yeah | 23:03 |
| johnx | on the other hand h-i-m-f builds happily :) | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Things will hopefully be changing for Fremantle | 23:03 |
| johnx | my magic 8-ball says: those won't | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, harass them about it after the alpha's out. | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | we will since dsme and ohm should follow around same time | 23:05 |
| johnx | well, here's the thing: It's totally a "not meshing with mainstream distros" bug | 23:05 |
| johnx | it *works the way it's intended to* but the design choices are ... strange | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think they're going to have to remake a lot of things to work sanely with upstart, really | 23:06 |
| johnx | they are switching to upstart? | 23:07 |
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| * GeneralAntilles lifts johnx's rock. | 23:07 | |
| Stskeeps | what GA said | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, was announced at summit | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | which fits fine with OHM as well | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's one reason i wanted ubuntu as base | 23:07 |
| johnx | ah, missed the upstart thing | 23:07 |
| johnx | huh | 23:08 |
| johnx | well that's swell of them | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | cos debian's upstart is .. not updated | 23:08 |
| suihkulokki | did ubuntu move to upstart 0.5 yet? | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | 0.3.9 | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so ubuntu isn't either | 23:10 |
| johnx | looks like 0.3.9-8 in intrepid and jaunty | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | but it's embedded in base system which is what i meant :P | 23:10 |
| * Stskeeps waits impatiently on install_mr | 23:11 | |
| johnx | oh yay, Werror strikes again | 23:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Werror & pedantic need to be killed | 23:16 |
| * Meiz_n810 is installing m-r with Stsleeps great installer too. | 23:16 | |
| johnx | it's just funny because the last changelog entry is from may and I assume they've compiled between then and now | 23:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | *Stskeeps =P | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the svn version? | 23:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | downloaded your installer from bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | we moved to svn | 23:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | uploading a new version in a couple of secs though so hang on | 23:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 23:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have to start over? | 23:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | installing in already on apt-get part | 23:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | *is | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | nah, when done, do NO_BOOTSTRAP=1 sh ./install_mr | 23:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | will skip debootstrap and just install | 23:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 23:22 |
| * RST38bis yawns | 23:22 | |
| * lcuk can barely move | 23:22 | |
| * johnx is ending up in the wrong timezone | 23:22 | |
| Stskeeps | no bacon? | 23:22 |
| lcuk | im typing with my toes cos my arms are gonna fall off | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: mine? :P | 23:22 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: bacon!!! | 23:22 |
| johnx | I think so | 23:22 |
| * johnx shakes his first at Stskeeps | 23:23 | |
| lcuk | cant lift blt | 23:23 |
| johnx | lcuk, lots of coding or ... ? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | i was gonna take nokia to the top of the wall with me for an action shot | 23:23 |
| lcuk | but then i had a vision of it bouncing and didnt | 23:23 |
| johnx | ah, right, rock climbing | 23:23 |
| RST38bis | i am on gprs, but if you look at engadget, you will find an iphone case made of bacon. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | chill factor - skiing climbing etc | 23:24 |
| lcuk | http://gizmodo.com/5088786/bacon-iphone-case-is-most-savory-gadget-protector-yet | 23:24 |
| * lcuk saw it earlier | 23:24 | |
| RST38bis | dunno if it fits n810, it may | 23:24 |
| lcuk | should do | 23:24 |
| lcuk | and if not, theres more bacon in the fridge | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: with locales, 123,6mb base image | 23:25 |
| RST38bis | still looking for a way to track stylus movement | 23:25 |
| RST38bis | why doesn't motion event work?? | 23:26 |
| johnx | wouldn't lots of apps have examples? like maemopad? or are you trying to do something different? | 23:26 |
| lcuk | RST38bis, stylus tracking? in what library | 23:27 |
| RST38bis | gtk | 23:27 |
| RST38bis | johnx: trying to grant you a wish of plot dragging | 23:28 |
| lcuk | are you linking the event correcntly? i thought these things came through | 23:28 |
| lcuk | or do you need one of those eent handler things | 23:28 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: i installed an event handler | 23:28 |
| RST38bis | enter/leave events work but motion does not | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: saw johnx's screenshot? | 23:29 |
| johnx | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png | 23:30 |
| lcuk | nice johnx :D starting to look like a real hildon | 23:31 |
| johnx | yup. need to build some plugins and hildonized apps now | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | advanced backlight is an obvious candidate too :P | 23:32 |
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| johnx | definitely | 23:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | is microb open source? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | but we should use stuff like Tear instead, mho | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | imho | 23:33 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 23:33 |
| johnx | fell in love with webkit? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | after seeing midori.. | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
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| johnx | midori: not just a color and a melon flavored aclcohol any more | 23:34 |
| disco_stu | i love midori too | 23:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | Is there a click and drag for tear? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | we also need stuff like the control panel | 23:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | a* | 23:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | and h-a-m :P | 23:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | Synaptic will work too | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | synaptic wasnt compiled just yet i think | 23:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 23:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | why? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | in mojo | 23:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | :p | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | .. no clue, go see their build reports | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | it was in waiting | 23:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Canola in m-r would be nice... =) | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | its not open source yet afaik | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, Seen the catpo folder by any chance? | 23:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | maemo-mapper? | 23:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | is maemo-mapper open source? | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but we need gps libs and such | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to start compiling :P | 23:41 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i will :) | 23:42 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what he was about to do | 23:42 | |
| Stskeeps | oh | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | powerlaunch | 23:42 |
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| Meiz_n810 | last time i tried powerlaunc, my n810 gone insane. both screen and hw-keyboard backlight worked randomly... | 23:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/rootimagescripts/ | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | didn't see that before | 23:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, incomplete last time i looked :/ | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | "echo I AM gconftool-2 THE WRAAAPPPEEEERRR, DUDE!>/dev/stderr | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | wtf. | 23:46 |
| Robot101 | lol | 23:46 |
| Robot101 | to stop postinst scripts modifying the host system by running gconftool-2 to do schema installations, presumably | 23:47 |
| johnx | wow...that is far too awesome for words | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sumtool, must take that into consideration when we build jffs images | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | it will reduce from 60s mount to 5s mount at first boot :P | 23:49 |
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| suihkulokki | ;) | 23:50 |
| suihkulokki | that's a very old version of rootimage scripts | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | alright, i did notice hints it was old jffs2 versions :P | 23:51 |
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