IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-11-14

ds3After 4 weeks of usage, Diablo on the N800 is crap. The problems outweigh the fixes over chinook :(00:01
GeneralAntillesSounds more like your install is broken.00:02
ds3There are too many things scattered all over - bluetooth keyboard stopped working; Modest is loosing mail (same POP account is viewed elsewhere and it is in the pop account), I can name more00:04
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ds3looks like it is not just me on the BT keyboard - there is a thread on it on ITT00:05
GeneralAntillesMine works fine00:05
GeneralAntillesDid you restore a backup?00:05
ds3flash the image and installed the updates online00:05
Myrttimeh, I'm just getting frustrated with people complainin about their problems with chinook and diablo, while I still have 770 with OS2007HE200:05
LinuxCodeMyrtti, let the complain a bit longer then buy a n90000:06
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MyrttiLinuxCode: nah, if it has hardware keyboard it's pretty useless to me00:07
MyrttiI've been lurking behind my friends back if he would sell me his old n80000:07
* Stskeeps should really follow a bit up on the 770 deblet, just haven't found the time..00:07
Myrttithen I'd be happy00:07
LinuxCodeMyrtti, then you wont be buying any new Nxxx device00:07
MyrttiLinuxCode: nope00:07
MyrttiLinuxCode: perfectly aware of that00:07
LinuxCodein fact..I think there wont be any device without a hardware keybaord soon00:08
LinuxCodenot just nokia00:08
ds3it is very frustrating with all these regressions in diablo00:08
* Stskeeps would like a hw keyboard, but not like n810's00:08
LinuxCodestuff is getting so small.... they need new ways to make up the space00:08
Stskeepsslide out touchscreen however..00:08
LinuxCodeStskeeps, why not ?00:08
LinuxCodeI find it very usable00:08
Stskeepstoo much use will hurt my wrists insanely00:09
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind something like the thumb/finger keyboard popping up on a slide out touchscreen, so you can adjust layouts, do tricks with two displays, etc00:10
Myrttithe hardware keyboard Finnish layout isn't as faithful to the original as I'd like it to be, and I'm also multilingual and lend my apparatus to my foreign friends - hardware keyboard is something that adds up to the price in comparison to n800 with less functionality - easier to break when dropping or getting guinea pig hair, wool lint or crisp bread crackers in between :-P00:11
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MyrttiI'm an awful person, I know.00:11
Stskeepsyou lend your 770 to your guinea pig?00:11
Myrttino, but I do use my 770 when holding them...00:12
Myrttithough I did consider for a while that if I'd get n800, I'd lend it to them to use as a cavycam00:13
Myrttithen the whole family would be networked :-P00:13
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ds3anyone know if the Linux flasher will do the right thing if I give it a chinook fiasco image to flash a device that has diablo on it?00:15
qwerty12_N800yes. even windows flasher lets you downgrade00:16
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* GeneralAntilles can't imagine why anybody would want to.00:17
* Stskeeps has learnt to accept diablo, but is using claws instead of modest now, and think things are going in the right direction00:19
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GeneralAntillesCompared to Chinook?00:19
GeneralAntillesI just don't get it.00:19
GeneralAntillesChinook was slow and shitty00:19
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Stskeepsi wouldn't go back to chinook though as all the progress happens in diablo, and extras being sane is a good thing00:21
GeneralAntillesWhy would you go back to Chinook?00:23
GeneralAntillesDiablo is better than Chinook for me in every way possible.00:23
guysoft42is there a way to get xchat on N810?00:23
GeneralAntillesguysoft42, install it from Extras-devel.00:23
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, is there a simple way to add repos?00:24
infobotfrom memory, extras is
Stskeepsyou only really need two, extras and optionally extras-devel00:24
GAN800with the .install there00:24
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: did roxterm get added+00:24
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, it's in extras-devel yet. i decided to leave it until it's been tested properly.00:25
qwerty12_N800guysoft42, open with the browser on the tablet00:26
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: k, removing from deblet repo then00:26
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Stskeepseh, seems like i've already removed it00:27
qwerty12_N800it's working fine for me so i'll promote it in a couple of days00:27
Stskeepsthis a hildonization of an earlier extras devel version?00:28
ds3cuz Diablo is buggy for my usage00:28
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qwerty12_N800i've learnt the basics after fucking around with transmission00:28
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Stskeepsthen zenity is last on my list that isn't bootmenu or deblet installer00:29
ds3it cost me about 6 hours of debugging to figure out how diablo broke basic static IP address networking and to assemble a workaround00:29
ds3then there is the odd behavior of modest loosing mail; and now bluetooth keyboard doesn't work00:29
ds3while it is true the microb in diablo is a lot better, web browsing is only part of the tablet functionality I need00:30
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hrm Bundyo says zenity is a straight compile, i could package that when i get the time?00:32
guysoft42qwerty12_N800, thanks :)00:32
qwerty12_N800np :)00:32
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: alright00:32
guysoft42qwerty12_N800, i seem to have a long way to go..00:32
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Stskeepsby the time you've fiddled enough around with the tablet, you're addicted, and it's too late00:33
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* Stskeeps bought his after lurking in here for a while, playing around with it at work, and seeing it on a conference00:34
Stskeeps.. and dragging around a heavy laptop for 5 days in hong kong00:34
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* qwerty12_N800 bought it after seeing kismet & kde running on it. i used kde once & kismet takes a long while :p00:35
* Guysoft422 is now on his n81000:36
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ds3under chinook, I had things working well enough that it was doing 85-90% of what i needed a laptop for; only thing it couldn't do was serve as a mobile cross compile platform (lack CPU power)00:38
ds3now under diablo, that things barely useful...ARRG :(00:38
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Stskeepsds3: then how do your tablet wish-OS look like? from system level00:40
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ds3Stskeeps: system level? as in kernel features or higher up?00:41
GAN800Speak English much good? :p00:41
NaviGAN800: no i not very good at english00:41
Navipleas don't make fun me :(00:42
GAN800Hey! Listen!00:42
Stskeepsds3: well, anything you'd like to see improvement in, i guess00:42
Guysoft422is there a way to install fonts for other languages on maemo?00:42
NaviGAN800: I refuse to listen, and I choose to hey.00:42
qwerty12_N800Guysoft422, It is possible, what language?00:43
ds3Stskeeps: well, things actually work; a ligher weight browser (or one that gives me more knobs to turn off javascript/flash features); a more configurable network manager; ability to export WiFi back overbluetooth; native A2DP support; proper Vorbis support00:44
ds3and consistantly larger screen controls so a stylus isn't needed. Graffiti input would be a plus00:45
Stskeepsds3: wifi back over bluetooth isn't impossible though. that'd be NAT at most and PAN00:45
Guysoft422qwerty12_N800, hebrew00:46
Stskeepsconfigurable network manager we can probably agree on, but have you been fighting with NetworkManager recently? :P00:46
Guysoft422btw, is there a way to do tab here?00:46
Stskeepslightweight.. Tear, or Midori00:46
ds3actually, the networkmanager stuff is the FIRST thing I fought with on diablo00:46
GAN800hebrew is in Extras00:46
Stskeepswhen i saw NetworkManager i mean the one from normal linux. ICD = nokia's00:47
ds3my wifi setup is a 10.x.x.x/24 using static addresses and that does not work under the current stuff; it ignores the netmask00:47
qwerty12_N800Guysoft422, Well, there is a package in extras called... wait for it... hebrew :p00:47
ds3oops, I meant fighting with ICD then00:47
Guysoft422what about the tab?00:48
Stskeepsds3: you have any interest in the system architecture then? if we look below ui surface though00:48
StskeepsGuysoft422: you mean nick completion or tabs? :P00:48
qwerty12_N800Guysoft422, No idea sorry, i don't know about tab on n810 keyboard except that it is weird to do :p00:49
Guysoft422or anywhere else for that matter00:49
ds3Stskeeps: the lower level stuff is what I am most familiar with...00:49
Guysoft422brb restart00:49
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Stskeepsds3: a bit of balant advertising then, , - feel free to contribute proposals / changes / ideas etc on the talk page00:50
ds3Stskeeps: are you with Nokia?00:51
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Stskeepsds3: nop, community00:51
Stskeepsdoesn't mean we can't create proof of concepts and show to nokia that some changes would be viable for platform improvement00:52
ds3Stskeeps: I should cool off a bit before doing any contributions; right now I am half way ready to toss out most of the Maemo stuff and replace it with my own like I did with the SLS stuff back in 9200:53
Stskeepsds3: hehe. i did Deblet, so i know some of the hardships - but, nokia is actually showing to be more and more open to changes00:53
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ds3Stskeeps: did you keep the Nokia kernel + the dsme for power management?00:54
Stskeepsds3: for deblet, yeah00:54
Guysoft422qwerty, then how do you complete names in IRC?00:54
Stskeepsds3: OHM will come out sooner or later and that'd probably be a replacement00:55
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Stskeepsds3: dsme is trivial to talk to so00:55
Stskeepsds3: deblet was/is mostly an exersise to show alternative OS'es on tablets/environments are viable, but maemo are doing some right things in terms of power management00:56
GAN800ds3, any relation to ds2?00:56
qwerty12_N800Guysoft422, Type the first few letters of the name and press tab to cycle through. I don't know how you do tab on an N810 keyboard (N800 with osk here)00:56
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Stskeepsand some of those tricks make less sense for typical desktop distros, until they start catching up with power saving on regular machines :P00:57
ds3GAN800: same... different nicks since #maemo traffic is so high00:57
qwerty12_N800Guysoft422, on screen keyboard00:57
ds3Stskeeps: how long of a battery life can you get with deblet running?00:57
GAN800Aah, right then. Thanks for the Beagle help. :)00:57
Stskeepsds3: well, considering it's running a desktop system, 12 hours or so. nothing impressive really.00:58
Stskeeps12 hours idle, that is00:58
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Stskeepsstill better than a laptop00:58
Guysoft422strange, the hebrew keyboard only works on screen00:58
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StskeepsGuysoft422: there's a keyboard layout thing in control panel probably?00:59
Guysoft422yes, but it sets up only the osk01:00
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ds3Stskeeps: ah, so you didn't set it up to do all the idle things for PM?01:00
Stskeepsds3: but basically we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up with the software published, and which problems we run into if we try to base it on let's say, ubuntu minimal base, and try to build the system up around principles of power saving (.. upstart job descriptions, OHM, hibernating applications, etc)01:01
Stskeepsjust the sleep while idle stuff and such from linux kernel01:01
Stskeeps(re PM)01:01
Stskeepsand wifi power saving01:01
StskeepsDSME isn't that magic really01:02
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ds3I am thinking more of all those little animations that a stock desktop likes to put up01:02
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Stskeepsah - well we didn't experiment so much with that in deblet, initial goal was to get a sane debian system going, which we did01:03
Stskeepsbut also inherited the power usage of a debian desktop system01:03
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Guysoft422stskeeps, that sounds alot like  how they built the ubuntu flavor of OLPC01:04
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ds3I doubt it would be well received but I would like to see stuff like dbus go away and just have a tighter coupling, prehaps with more of a binary protocol01:04
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Stskeepswell considering how little dbus messages fly around and that we're dealing with at least a 166mhz machine, it's probably good enough to have a more abstract view on the world like dbus01:06
Stskeepsfor flexibility01:06
Stskeepswhich is something maemo usually has going for it, it is a versatile platform, but has its walls regarding some things01:07
ds3it is still a process with a footprint01:08
Stskeepsi would really have preferred to see dbus as a kernel thing instead really.. i was quite inspired by the fast ipc possible with L4 for instance01:08
Stskeepsand dbus should be minimal obviously, - direct bloat doesn't belong in dbus :P01:09
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ds3I much rather see a direct usage of sockets instead01:10
derfThe big problem with dbus is that if the server dies, all its clients die.01:10
derfWhich means that upgrading dbus basically means rebooting.01:10
ds3I can tolerate dbus just  prefer otherwise01:10
derfBringing the Linux experience one step closer to being just like Windows.01:10
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Stskeepsds3: you could probably hack up your own ICD if you wanted.. patches for cx3110x exist to give the full wireless-tools01:13
StskeepsICD is "just" a dbus participant anyway01:14
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Stskeepshad NetworkManager going in Deblet, for instance01:14
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Stskeepsoh, i didn't know RSS reader was OSS01:26
ds3Stskeeps: I know.01:26
ds3I have done the swap in the kernel and shove your own app down the frame buffer thing already; have to make it a bit more useful01:27
Stskeepsi'm off to bed, bbl01:28
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prez00any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid?02:17
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jagernoti copy my files from jag@localhost to scratchbox all the time and have to enter a password how do i prevent that?02:43
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shaprssh master02:48
shaprAt the end of your ~/.ssh/config put:02:49
shaprHost *02:49
shaprControlMaster auto02:49
shaprControlPath /tmp/ssh-%h-%p-%r02:49
shaprThen you ssh into your scratchbox in one xterm, and "scp jag@scratchbox *" will no longer ask you for a password, because it reuses the existing ssh connection.02:50
shaprjagernot: Sounds good?02:50
jagernotthanks shapr..sorry for delayed reply.02:51
jagernotwill try this out02:51
shaprpoke me if you have any problems02:52
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prez00any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid?02:54
Robot101prez00: it'll probably be possible to update a few components to make it work02:55
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Robot101prez00: we're working on it atm02:55
Robot101they need to add H.263 support02:55
Robot101but I've heard its planned02:55
prez00 cool...02:55
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Robot101the signalling we've basically got done02:56
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jagernotshapr: it says bad control master and bad control path02:56
Robot101they only have one codec choice atm though02:56
Robot101and it's a weird variety of H.264 which isn't supported at all by the N81002:56
prez00why'd they go with weird h.264?02:58
Robot101it's a new standard called H.264/SVC, scalable video coding02:58
Robot101it has a basic H.264 low-detail stream02:58
Robot101then if you have more bandwidth it can add more detail02:59
Robot101its pretty nice for video conferencing02:59
Robot101but it has basically 0 free implementations02:59
Robot101and I'm not sure I've seen any linux implementations at all02:59
prez00open standard?02:59
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Robot101prez00: yeah, ish. as much as H.264 is, in that some of the stakeholders could have patents or other IPR in there, and demand licensing fees03:03
Robot101but the specs are obtainable for a fee etc, it's an ITU standard03:04
prez00got it, thankss03:06
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bef0rdthanks for answering that Robot101, I asked the same thing yesterday :P04:34
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* GeneralAntilles goes through the translation table to figure out who provided what.04:59
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GeneralAntillesCan anybody confirm or deny those existing attributions?05:10
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halleyhave had some problem with vi not editing well in utf-8 files.  no problems with same locale on other platforms05:21
halleyalso backspacing on sh command lines when dealing with utf-8 characters.05:22
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camel_liuhi, everyone06:58
camel_liuI want get lftp for my n800. Where can I get it?06:58
camel_liuMaemo repo?06:59
camel_liuapt-cache search lftp returns nothing.06:59
tulkastaldotry looking around ?07:01
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camel_liuThere is no result matching the search criteria 'lftp'.07:05
tulkastaldothat's about the extent of my help, I'm pretty useless :P07:06
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camel_liuthanks anyway.07:07
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braddcamel_liu, I found ->
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shaprDoes the N800 read mobile codes?07:15
dsn800mobile codes?07:16
oilinkimobile codes as 2D bar-codes?07:17
dsn800ah you mean qrcodes and datamatrix07:18
tulkastaldodatamatrix, that the geeky version of a dominatrix?07:19
GeneralAntillesDo any of the karma listings work for anybody?07:21
GeneralAntillesThey always timeout server-side for me.07:21
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bef0rdshapr, I believe there is a garage project for that07:48
camel_liubradd, thanks, I'll try this lftp07:48
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GeneralAntillesIf anybody needs a throw-away SD:
Luriaan interesting proposal08:05
bef0rdthat's cheap08:05
Luriameh. dont need it. need hsfs for dual socket f08:06
Luriamy dynatrons are loud and dont mount right.08:07
Luriaone fell into my gtx28008:07
Luriabroke two fan blades08:07
Luriai hope everything survives08:07
Luriawell, lifetime warranty ftw08:07
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prakhow long does the screen shown in usually last?08:09
GeneralAntillesI'm still on my first one from a year ago.08:10
GeneralAntillesI recommend the anti-glare over the clear-touch, though.08:10
prakwhy anti-glare over the clear-touch?08:11
camel_liuI uncarefully reset target DIABLO_ARMEL. Can I install it only?08:14
oilinkiI think my wife is technically more advanced that I am. It took me 5 minutes to open the front cover of N800.. my wife could do the same with an single drop to the floor.08:15
prakhow effective is the boxwave screen protectors against scratches?08:22
prakhow often would i need to replace the screen protector?08:22
GeneralAntillesLike I said, I'm still on my original08:23
GeneralAntillesBetter texture, anti-glare protection08:23
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prakGeneralAntilles, how long have you been on the original?08:25
GeneralAntillesLike I said, one year. . . .08:25
praksorry that i have missed that08:26
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prakhow well does android work on the n810?08:32
praki had a lot of problems installing android on it last month08:32
GeneralAntillesIt's a dead end.08:32
prakhow is it a dead end?08:33
GeneralAntillesUnless we have a page flipping framebuffer and 3d, it's just not going any farther.08:34
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prakwhat's wrong with those?08:39
prakrunning too slow?08:39
prakor the features just not there?08:39
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camel_liuwhen I do apt-get update, I got: Err diablo/sdk Release.gpg09:18
camel_liu  Got a single header line over 360 chars09:18
camel_liuWhat's the matter?09:18
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camel_liuIs the repo down?09:19
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camel_liuDoes anybody know what happens to maemo repo? When I update, it always returns error of 'Got a single header line over 360 chars'.09:22
tulkastaldoseems that way09:26
camel_liuCan anyone do a help?09:32
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JaffaMorning, all09:38
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camel_liuAfternoon, all09:43
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oilinkihmm. even opening and cleaning the touch screen on n800 did not resolve issue with very bad calibration on right bottom corner.09:54
oilinkimy display is still about 7mm off.09:54
oilinkiI have also reflashed (without restoring backup) the device. is there any other thing I could do to resolve the calibration issue? screen calibration can not do it as the calibration is too much out.09:56
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oilinkior do you remember where was the information about displays in 770, n800, n810.. is it possible to swap an display module from 770 to n800?10:01
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oilinkialso n810 and n800 have different modules?10:03
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oilinkihmm. not good then.10:06
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camel_liuWhat wrong with maemo repo? I cannot update or install anything!10:16
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camel_liuAlways  'Got a single header line over 360 chars'10:17
mischamolhoekhi everyone!10:17
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mister_mhi all,10:19
camel_liuNobody here?10:20
mister_mme :)10:20
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mister_mlet me check if i can install///10:20
mister_mn800 btw10:20
camel_liuI cannot update or install in scratchbox.10:22
mister_maha, that i don't know10:22
mister_mdo you have connection with the outside world, within you scratchbox?10:23
camel_liuof course10:25
bradd_camel_liu, works for me from a fresh install (yesterday)10:28
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Mekprobably a problem with your proxy?10:31
camel_liuI found a proxy info in that. Maybe when I install armel target, I try a proxy.10:31
camel_liuYes, Let me try to find it10:31
Mekwell, according to that output you are using a proxy, and that proxy server seems broken10:34
camel_liuI found a 99proxy in target's apt.conf.d directory, and I del it, but problem is still here10:35
camel_liuWhat else can I do? restart target?10:36
camel_liuMek, How can I find if I use a proxy in scratchbix?10:39
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Guysoft422hey; is there a way to install firefox 3 on mamo?10:44
camel_liuThere's a proxy ( used in wget, but I did not set it, how can I delete it?10:45
GeneralAntillesSure, but there isn't much point.10:45
GeneralAntillesIt's slow and crappy.10:45
camel_liuHow can I set proxy in scratchbox?10:46
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camel_liuI resolved it11:03
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guysoft42GeneralAntilles, is there a way to sync bookmarks between them? and install greasemonkey?11:07
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Meiz_n810i wanna lxde for m-r,but i have had no luck yet. I downloaded sources from sourceforge, but i have no idea how to compile...11:52
prakis it more worthwhile to put debian or android on n810?11:52
prakor rather11:52
prakwhich one is better for what type of applications?11:52
StsN800debian is good if you want apps from debian, android if you want an outdated port11:53
prakoutdated port?11:54
praki just want to try out android just for fun11:54
prakbut i'm having trouble installing it11:54
Meiz_n810for now it is really outdated11:54
prak and is what i followed11:54
Meiz_n810the installer thing11:54
StsN800Meiz_n810, get source packages from ubunu?11:54
Meiz_n810StsN800: thanks11:55
prakyou mean the installer being outdated could be the problem of my installation troubles?11:55
StsN800and dpkg-buildpackage them11:55
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Meiz_n810that android is pretty old11:55
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Meiz_n810but  i believe there is team working with the new one11:56
prakMeiz_n810, but until then, i probably can't install android, even with the old installer?11:56
prakand the old installer is the only installer out there right now?11:56
Meiz_n810old installer is for old android11:57
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praki guess i'll wait for the new one to come out then11:57
prakthanks for the heads up12:00
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Meiz_n810StsN800: i tried apt-get source lxpanel lxde-common. It says there is no packages called lxpanel os lxde-common12:05
StsN800you have proper sources.lidst?12:06
Meiz_n810i have all these what are listed at
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camel_liuWhat IDE do you use in scratchbox for development?12:09
Meiz_n810I am trying to compile in tablet :) with chroot12:10
camel_liuCould anyone give a suggestion about IDE development tools in scratchbox?12:11
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RST38hcamel: Geany12:13
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prakwhen using maemo mapper, how long should the gps take to locate where i am?12:16
RST38hDepending on where you are and whether you are running AGPS12:16
camel_liunot know about Geany12:16
StsN800Meiz_n810, maybe debian source packages then12:16
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StsN800find at packages.ubuntu.com12:16
RST38hcamel: Do you know about google?12:16
camel_liunot know AGPS neither12:17
prakRST38h, AGPS?12:17
prakor a gps?12:17
RST38h~info agps12:17
RST38h~what agps12:18
praki got confused when RST38h said agps12:18
RST38hOk, let us approach it from a different direction12:18
prakit seems that my gps on my n810 keeps searching forever12:19
prakhence i never gotten it working properly12:19
RST38hyea, so it does12:19
RST38hInstall this program: agps-ui from the Maemo Extras12:20
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RST38hRun it, select your current locaiton on the map (as prcisely as possible)12:20
praki'll check if agps-ui is installed12:20
RST38hThen quit agps-ui and run Map or Maemo Mapper12:20
RST38hDo make sure you are outside and the sky view is not blocked by buildings.12:20
RST38hIt should take 40seconds to 5 minutes for the GPS to lock on.12:21
RST38hOh, almost forgot: your tablet should have an internet connection (wifi or gprs) but as you are using the Mapper, you probably have it anywya12:21
praki can't find agps-ui12:21
praki can find a-gps12:22
praki'm not sure if they are the same thing12:22
RST38hsame thing12:22
prakand a-gps is a beta version12:22
prakshould i see the world map when selecting the location for gps to sync?12:25
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RST38hA law criminalising denial of service attacks and the supply of hacking tools has been brought into force in England and Wales after a number of delays. The law was already in force in Scotland.12:51
johnxlaws against "hacking tools" worry me a little12:56
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RST38hThey are wonderful - make it much easier to jail people at random12:57
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johnxso laws against DDoS...does that make slashdot illegal?12:57
RST38hAlthough I kinda thought UK had no problem with this even without hacking tools12:57
RST38hjohnx: Yes, so generally, UK may incarcerate or even execute Slashdot12:58
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lardmanbergie: ping13:02
lardmanmorning all13:02
bergielardman: pong13:02
lardmanbergie: I didn't quite understand the fix made to the karma, what's this about duplicate accounts?13:02
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lardmanbergie: is that some duplicate on the server side, rather than duplicate email accounts?13:03
bergielardman: there were sometimes issues with user import from garage, and because of that many users have duplicate (inactivated) accounts13:03
lardmanah, that makes sense now13:03
lardmancool, thanks13:03
bergiethe issue was that sometimes garage produced corrupted user list transfer file13:05
bergieand so the importer thought some accounts had been removed and inactivated them13:05
bergiethen in next import it created new copies13:05
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johnxhey Stskeeps :D13:22
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StsN800lo johnx13:28
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zaphow's called that nice matchbox-sized thingy with an OMAP 3530 on it?13:37
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zapbearbox or something like it13:38
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StsN800zap, beagleboard?13:39
johnxgimstix, beagleboard. omapzoom?13:39
johnxpandora (for a big matchbox)13:39
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johnxyes, gumstix overo, not gimstix :)13:40
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zapStsN800: thanks13:42
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Stskeepsjohnx: i think i'll work a bit with installer this afternoon14:08
Stskeepsany luck on finding the minimal subset?14:09
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brphelpsDoes maemo sdk 4.1 work with the n77014:15
Stskeepsgood question i guess14:17
Stskeepsit technically does target diablo, but i dunno if its impossible to compile for 770 :P14:17
brphelpsSo if I am targetting the 770, I need to use 2.2?14:17
Stskeepswell, there's OS2006 or OS2007HE and OS2008HE too..14:18
brphelpsn770 uses OS2006, I'm a bit confused, does 4.1 do OS2006 or am I better off using 4.1?14:20
brphelpssorry 2.2?14:20
brphelpsnot 4.114:20
RST38hyou are better off using 2.214:20
* RST38h is checking whether the latest sdk even provides an os2006 rootstrap14:21
brphelpsOk, RST38h thanks14:21
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RST38hyes, Nokia says use 2.214:23
brphelpsSo if I use 0.1 vmware image on I'll be ok?14:25
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brphelpsIts the only one with Bora and Gregale14:26
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guysoft42hey, how do i change the position of applications in the appplication menu?15:13
mgedmincontrol panel -> panels -> organize15:13
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guysoft42mgedmin, thanks :-)15:29
guysoft42btw, i carn't seem to get a lock on the GPS ( i tried standing out side , no luck) . what could be the problem?15:29
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Stskeepsguysoft42: n810 gps isn't exactly known to be that fancy15:39
Stskeepsguysoft42: people are still trying to trace down the issue15:39
woglindestrike I solved the problem I am working the whole week on15:40
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woglindehm what do you think which license is the /usr/share/X11/xkb directory?15:48
Stskeepsgood question really..15:49
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Stskeepsif it's on, probably openish15:49
woglindestskeeps the files beside the files from nokia are mit15:49
woglindebecause xserver is mit15:50
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woglindehm probably they are mit too15:50
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johnxStskeeps, still dealing with stupid things16:19
johnxsome of the problems I *am* making for myself though :)16:19
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woglindehe johnx16:23
johnxhi woglinde16:23
woglindejohnx I got it work16:23
johnxreally? so does that mean an easy to setup nx client?16:24
woglindecopied the whole xkb dir to the server and put a if in the nxnode.conf to change to that dir when using the nokia16:24
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woglindeargs nxnode16:24
woglindehehe and you must link keycode.dir to keymap.dir16:25
* lcuk wanders around irc intoxicated16:25
* lcuk blames Stskeeps 16:25
woglindehi lcuk16:26
lcukhiya woglinde, hows tricks16:26
johnxlcuk, did Stskeeps drive you to drink?16:26
Stskeepsi think that might have happened with some deblet uses16:26
lcukheh, not really the cruel git left me a beer in #liqbase16:27
lcukand its inpolite not to drink it all16:27
Stskeepsi'm having one myself irl :P16:28
lcukill have lots tonight16:28
lcukoh crap16:28
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lcukStskeeps, so how hammered will you be later?16:30
Stskeepsjohnx: i think i'll make a shell script installer for this, - deblet installer is a bit too heavy for our PoC stuff16:30
Stskeepslcuk: probably not too much. dad coming to visit me tomorrow16:30
lcukand can we expect to see the next version of mamemmemmmo rereconstructulated tonight16:30
lcukfair enough16:30
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johnxStskeeps, sounds, good. I'll try and get a default package set to send to you16:31
johnxif hildon-desktop will cooperate16:31
Stskeepsjohnx: is dpkg-deb -x armelpack dir; dpkg-deb -e armelpackage.deb dir/DEBIAN; change architecture to arm from armel, dpkg-deb --build the easiest to rename arm?16:31
Stskeepsi don't expect a huge system, just one that boots sanely :P16:32
johnxboots into Xorg/hildon-desktop, right?16:32
johnxI haven't had hildon-desktop running yet O_o16:32
Stskeepswell boots into whatever really, as long as it boots ;)16:32
Stskeepsas a foundation16:33
johnxboots into a white screen with no input possible? ok, done! :D16:33
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johnxyes, that's the quickest way to change architecture when you don't have a source package16:33
Stskeeps.. or rescue menu with console16:33
* Stskeeps ponders a little about the <script> parameter of debootstrap16:34
johnxwell, I'm going to give hildon-desktop a couple more tries before I give up for now, so wish me luck16:34
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Stskeepshow do you do pinning btw?16:36
johnxsomething of a dark art:
johnxbe careful with changing the priority numbers. they actually mean something16:37
johnxfor some reason the Release file on doesn't seem to be processed, so I had to pin by origin instead of release16:39
Stskeepsthink we'll do the experiment of having a derived distribution that has a main base, and some replacement packages16:39
Stskeepsso we have both repos16:39
johnxthat's what I figured16:39
johnxhence the higher pin16:39
* Stskeeps wonders if he can make debootstrap do pinning16:40
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johnxaaaahhh....well, hmm16:40
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johnxwhat needs to be pinned inside minbase?16:40
Stskeepswell we might run into that eventually16:41
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johnxlets cross that bridge when we come to it. that almost calls for switching to debian-installer16:41
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Stskeepsdebian-installer uses debootstrap though?16:41
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johnxhmm, probably does I guess16:42
johnxnevermind me :)16:42
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johnxI guess we should just make our own unified repository at that point16:43
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Stskeepscould be an interesting way at some point though16:44
Stskeepsderiative, but keeping up to date without huge effort16:44
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johnxI should add that the file I gave you with the pins should be /etc/apt/preferences16:51
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Stskeepswould an apt-get dist-upgrade force-upgrade it to the versions on the mirror then?16:54
Stskeeps(does apt track origins?)16:54
johnxhmm, this calls for me to RTFM :)16:55
Stskeepsjust a curious question, so :P16:55
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johnxman apt_preferences actually has a concise description of the logic16:57
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johnxbut yes, priority is more important than version16:58
johnxah, though it won't downgrade unless the priority is over 100016:59
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Stskeepswhat should minbase include? i have apt-utils, wget, udev atm17:04
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johnxwe want something that boots to a UI or is this going to boot to a shell?17:04
Stskeepswell, the base system itself, shouldn't include more than what we need to drag in from ubuntu to boot.. rest will be taken care of through apt17:05
Stskeepsgrr @ white screen of wiki on wiki.maemo.org17:06
johnxah, just your debootstrap base? then you'll chroot in as part of the install to flesh it out?17:06
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johnxtry prefixing with https17:06
Stskeepsyeah, i know, but it's irritating when refering people to it they get a white screen17:06
Stskeeps770 all over again17:07
johnxa cruel joke to early adopters17:07
johnxI actually got away without wget. I used it from outside the chroot17:07
johnxotherwise it looks fine17:07
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Meiz_n810what is difference between lxsession lxsession-lite17:10
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Stskeeps      base="apt wget apt-utils udev bash dash module-init-tools findutils gzip hostname ifupdown net-tools procps sed tar coreutils grep mount bsdutils debianutils vim-tiny mawk mktemp sysvutils iputils-ping psmisc time login passwd"17:12
Stskeepsthink lxsession-lite is the actual one that people use17:13
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johnxStskeeps, if that's base, add net-tools, udhcpc | dhcp3-client17:14
Meiz_n810i used to add ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb to rc.local. Is that good way to make it automatical?17:15
Stskeepsjohnx: k17:15
johnxMeiz_n810, seems fine17:15
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Stskeepsjohnx: don't think i can | in debootsrap17:16
johnxsorry, I meant for you to parse that17:16
johnxwhatever you feel is better17:17
Stskeepswell udhcpc isn't in ubuntu is it?17:17
johnxit is17:17
johnxuniverse though17:17
Stskeepslet's see if --components=main,multiverse,restricted,universe work s:P17:20
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Stskeepsjohnx: i'll just do a silly tar.gz installer that requires deblet installer installed + bootmenu for now17:26
Stskeepsand probably put it in svn17:26
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johnxok, that seems completely reasonable for now17:27
johnxI'm still fighting with hildon-desktop. These startup scripts really, really need to be completely refactored17:27
johnxI'm kind of dreading it17:27
Stskeepsi think we're going to convert some of them into upstart jobs17:28
Stskeepsor the likes17:28
johnxadding stuff to my /etc/profile = not cool17:29
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Stskeepsyeah.. there's several WTFs among those17:30
Stskeepsnoone said reconstructing maemo would be easy, and now we have proof :P17:31
johnxit all started out so smoothly though :P17:34
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johnxwell, I got it to *run* and display the sidebar with messed up graphics17:36
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johnxI'm stealing debian's start-hildon script17:36
johnxlater, using as much of their packaging as possible seems like the best idea17:36
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qwerty12Stskeeps, hmm, is it pointless if I modify zenity to show an icon in the task navigator?17:41
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Stskeepsqwerty12: it primarily does modal dialog boxes17:42
Stskeeps <- god, i think they're so wrong..17:43
qwerty12Yeah, that's why I don't see the point. The dialog boxes can't get "lost" right (been a long time since I used deblet installer :)) ?17:43
Stskeepsafaik yeah17:43
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Stskeeps"press release delayed fremantle sdk"17:43
X-FadeStskeeps: I agree with you. Although it would be easy to get some small apps installed.17:44
X-FadeStskeeps: But really don't want a full desktop on my tablet ;)17:44
Stskeepswell, ofcourse a ubuntu port is wrong but a full ubuntu desktop does -not make sense- on tablets17:44
Stskeepsit will reduce n900 to a tiny desktop with 4 hours of battery17:45
Stskeepsand judging from the nokia people's jaikus, i doubt this was expected from nokia's side17:45
lardmanwhere's that info from?17:45
X-FadeHeh, yeah..17:45
X-FadeAll people complain about in G1 and IPhone is basically battery life.17:46
X-FadeWell, we have that ;)17:46
johnxthough after almost 2 years mine is really going south :/17:47
Stskeepsi can't see how the hell they expect ubuntu mobile to be viable power saving17:47
X-FadeStskeeps: It sucks on my laptop, so I can't imagine it on my tablet.17:47
X-FadeStskeeps: The number of wakeups of some of the desktop applications will really kill battery life.17:48
Stskeepsand i must admit, after playing with optimizing deblet power usage, nokia -gets-it, regarding power saving17:48
johnxyeah, I always wondered where all the man-hours there went until I read some of the changelogs17:49
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johnxaside: is there a kernel that can be used with powertop?17:49
Stskeepsthat's what qgil meant by "let's see how mobile this Jackalope's arm will be"17:50
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X-FadeYeah, I really think that it makes more sense on netbooks.17:50
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johnxor something that isn't "always on"17:51
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qwerty12johnx, powertop kernels only work if the wifi is switched off :/17:51
X-FadeBut it is really amazing to see that people think that compiling a distro for arm makes it a mobile distro ;)17:52
johnxI must say I'm really excited about the new kernel and open wifi :)17:52
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qwerty12~bitchslap cdbs17:54
* infobot beats the sh*t out of cdbs17:54
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, hehe, that always makes me laugh.17:57
X-FadeAnd the conclusions Jamie is drawing out of this are really funny.17:57
Stskeepswell some of the things might actually happen (debian/ubuntu base), but some of them are about as conspiracy-like as some of my thoughts until i started seeing other indications17:58
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X-FadeStskeeps: Well even now Maemo is not really Debian based.17:59
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Stskeepsi think it kinda stems from history really how it has developed17:59
X-FadeStskeeps: So changing the whole OS to run on Ubuntu before mid 2009.. Sure..17:59
Stskeepsfor fremantle maybe not but for harmattan, maybe18:00
X-FadeStskeeps: It uses debian packages, but ...18:00
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X-FadeRealistically, how many packages would you really use from Debian on a consumer grade tablet.18:01
X-FadeIt is all lower layer stuff, not a lot end-user.18:01
johnxit makes getting packages on it easier18:02
Stskeepswell, if we see it from the POV of hildonizing apps, libraries are the kicker18:02
GeneralAntillesCan anybody confirm whether Kate actually provided the fi_FI translation?18:02
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Stskeepsnot having to deal with all the maemo weirdnesses is a big plus too18:02
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johnxthough really, most of the stuff on stage in trunk is fairly in line with recent debian and ubuntu package naming,18:03
X-FadeStskeeps: My guess is that a lot of hildonization issues go away with QT :)18:03
StskeepsX-Fade: i am not saying i want a full ubuntu desktop though18:03
johnxand most of it just builds without problems18:03
johnxX-Fade, only for apps written in QT...18:03
lardmandebian builds seem to hook in loads of extraneous crap18:03
lardmanas deps18:03
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johnxlardman, yes, and those are easy to tweak18:04
X-Fadejohnx: Sure, but at least those apps look more decent by default.18:04
Stskeepslardman: debian doing "install all recommended" doesn't help either18:04
hahlobitGeneralAntilles: whois Kate? kde editor?18:04
GeneralAntillesNokia person, not important.18:04
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X-Fadehahlobit: Kate is a more awesome hacker than all of us here together ;)18:04
hahlobitX-Fade: you mean katix kate?18:05
X-Fadehahlobit: Yep18:05
X-FadeSo any people from Norway, Sweden or Portugal here?18:06
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johnxand hildon-desktop lives!18:09
lardmanX-Fade: you mean you don't?!18:10
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lardmanX-Fade: speak those that is :)18:10
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X-Fadelardman: I guess I can google it, but that might not be the best solution.18:10
johnxmaybe lives is a little strong, undead might be more appropriate18:10
Stskeepsjohnx: woo! scrshot?18:10
Stskeepsundead is okay18:11
Stskeeps:p18:11 won't like it :)18:11
lardmanX-Fade: a reply to the General's first post highlighting the needed countries?18:11
X-Fadelardman: Don't want to have situations lie this:
Stskeepsjohnx: meh, i like any progress18:11
infobotX-Fade meant: lardman: Don't want to have situations like this:
lardmanyeah, that's great :D18:11
Stskeepsw00t_: brik up for a quick .no translation?18:12
lardmanbut then who cares, only Welsh hey? ;)18:12
* lardman hopes his best man's wife doesn't read that....18:12
X-FadeYeah, I can really understand how things like this happen.18:12
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Stskeepsjohnx: 57mb flash image without any sort of docpurge of base system btw18:12
johnxoh, translation. the stories I could tell :)18:13
X-FadeSame thing ;)18:13
Stskeepsyou're an english teacher, johnx, right?18:13
Stskeepsi guess you must see horrendous examples18:14
X-Fade"Translate server error"18:14
johnxI also see the process, which is sometimes more terrifying18:14
Stskeeps"go to babelfish"?18:14
lardmansome of those translations are pretty shocking18:15
johnxboss to slave^Wworker: "I heard you know english. translate this important business document" slave: "oh shits, better ask my english tutor"18:15
Stskeepsanyone know perl and feel like patching dpkg-divert so that when docpurge is in place, /usr/share/man and such diversions are out of line?18:16
Stskeeps(ie, just ignore the attempt)18:16
Stskeepsand print ** Not diverting man page because of docpurge, or something silly :P18:17
lardmancu chaps later18:17
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Stskeepswhich leads me to the zen question of today. can dpkg-divert divert itself? :P18:18
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johnxthis is on a zaurus. for some reason it has problems with sapwood:
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johnxI suspect some lower level x11 problem though :/18:18
Stskeepsis m-r though?18:19
johnxyes, m-r18:19
Stskeepshey, progress18:19
johnxI'll add the "start-hildon" script to hildon-desktop, rebuild and upload18:19
johnxalso a dependency fix18:20
johnxlocales will be non-working except for en_UK.UTF-818:20
Stskeepsyou mean en_GB?18:20
johnxyeah, oops :)18:20
johnxthought that looked weird18:21
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Meiz_n810i accidentally compiled some lxde packages succesfully18:22
Stskeepsfirst try?18:22
Meiz_n810not my first compilation, but first that might work18:23
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* GeneralAntilles feels compelled to address qgil's hardware confidentiality comment and the scores of old, and perfectly valid OS2008 bugs that were simply WONTFIXed because of Nokia's negligence.18:26
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: this in the ITT thread about feature trackers?18:29
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thopiekarX-Fade : Are you there?18:31
Meiz_n810mouse in Xorg seems to stay pressed even if i release...18:31
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Meiz_n810when i tried gnome, menu open with single click, but when i try to click next menu item the menu just closes... So i had to click and hold to get the menu stay open18:34
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Stskeepsim not sure if that's usual part of gnome interaction or not18:36
Stskeepsjohnx: hmm, doesn't powerlaunch provide MCE, alarmd and some others?18:36
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johnxI know nothing about powerlaunch, sorry18:37
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah.18:37
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* Stskeeps notes people are confused by xephyr, calling it an emulator18:38
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johnxa lot of people are confused about programming their VCRs too18:40
johnxreally the more general statement to be made here is "A lot of people are confused."18:41
Meiz_n810F*ckin Segmentation Fault18:41
dougt<blink> 12:00 </blink>18:41
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qwerty12Stskeeps, at the risk of sounding like a cunt, those people are the people who don't know shit anyway18:42
GeneralAntillesBut qwerty12 knows shit18:43
GeneralAntilleshe knows shit good. :P18:43
Myrttimmm chocolate pudding18:43
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Stskeepsjohnx: can you make tslib provide: xserver-xorg-input-2?18:55
Stskeepsit will save some space18:55
johnxok, sure18:55
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Stskeepswe dont really need wacom support in the tablet so.. :P19:05
Stskeepsatleast by default19:05
johnxor synaptics19:05
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Stskeepsxserver-xorg-input-kbd though?19:07
w00t_Stskeeps: what is it, and how much will she be earning? \o/19:07
johnxI think we need it19:07
w00t_PM btw for my lovely adventures19:07
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Stskeepsw00t_: zip null and it's 10 words19:07
ShadowJK_I'd love a touchpad for tablet19:07
ShadowJK_or a trackball19:07
w00t_drop it in PM and i'll get her to take a look19:07
johnxchanged, rebuilding, will upload then off to sleep. I'll let hildon-desktop run overnight :/19:08
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Khertan_n810Hi !19:09
GNUtonHey Khertan_n81019:10
Khertan_n810week finish !19:10
Stskeepsjohnx: k19:10
* Khertan_n810 will migrate his website to a blog in few time 19:11
Khertan_n810nope last time i used wordpress i was hacked19:12
XTLWith an axe?19:13
Khertan_n810my tests :
qwerty12Khertan_n810, Sorry, I didn't mean to do so much damage19:13
Khertan_n810xtl : hacked not slashed19:13
XTLWho'd use an axe for slashing?19:13
Khertan_n810qwerty12 ?19:14
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qwerty12Khertan_n810, I'm joking :P19:14
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qwerty12I'm trying to see if I can figure out a dirty way of getting lockable desktop applets19:15
Khertan_n810what do you think of it ?19:15
Stskeepsqwerty12: recompile hildon desktop maybe19:15
Stskeepsfrom trunk19:15
GeneralAntillesGNUton, did Kate actually end up providing the fi_FI translations? I'm trying to figure out attribution for all of them, and the IP came from Beijing, so I wasn't sure.19:15
qwerty12Khertan_n810, I actually very much liked it. Looks good :)19:15
Khertan_n810qwerty12 a easy way is to make the applet full screen and transparent19:16
qwerty12Stskeeps, Well, I'm looking at hildon desktop that is with diablo. Don't know if I want to risk a trunk build :/19:16
qwerty12Khertan_n810, Doesn't work well when you have lots of applets :P19:16
Stskeepsqwerty12: you of all people not wanting to risk something..  ;)19:16
GNUtonGeneralAntilles: Kate is here in Finland.19:16
Khertan_n810qwerty12> yep19:16
qwerty12Stskeeps, I effed up hildon desktop last time when I recompiled the rss reader applet ffs. And I didn't have ssh then...19:16
GeneralAntillesGNUton, so I assumed, which is why I wasn't sure.19:17
GeneralAntillesWonder why provided the fi_FI translation. . . .19:17
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Wonder who provided the fi_FI translation. . . .19:17
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, This is just a guess, but I think it's from someone who speaks Finnish :P19:17
* Khertan_n810 is trying to find a way to resize a gtk.CellRendererToggle19:18
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, got a name? :P19:19
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Hmm, I'll have to come back to you on that one :P19:19
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Stskeepsjohnx: ta19:20
qwerty12Stskeeps, is the same as the released diablo one anyway :/19:21
Khertan_n810someone have try my new homeapplet ?19:21
Khertan_n810what do you think of it ?19:22
mikkov_GeneralAntilles: I know that it wasn't me, so you have 5.6*10^6-1 options left ;)19:22
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Stskeepsjohnx: and ofcourse ubuntu doesn't do the -2 trick.19:23
* Stskeeps ponders wwhat causes it19:24
johnxinstall -tslib explicitly *first*19:24
johnxthen install other stuff. I think it worked here19:25
GeneralAntillesmikkov_, it'd probably be easier to just get somebody I can actually identify to re-translate.19:26
Stskeepsjohnx: i officially hate apt19:27
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, GNUton, lardman|gone, Jaffa, RST38h, andre__, are you good with GPLv2 for your translations?19:27
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: er. public domain19:27
Stskeepsor BSD licensed (non-GPL conflicting one)19:27
Stskeepsbut if it gets too much trouble, sure, gplv219:27
mikkov_GeneralAntilles: do you need to know the author? Translations would be the same anyway19:28
johnxwell, public domain is the same as letting someone else put it under the gplv2 :)19:28
johnxand yes, sometimes I hate apt as well. Then I remember that there's not anything *better* out there19:29
mikkov_I'm not sure if you can even claim copyright of couple of simple tranlations19:29
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, mvo recommended GPLv2.19:29
GeneralAntillesmikkov_, yes you can, and yes the attribution does matter.19:29
andre__GeneralAntilles, sure19:29
woglindehi GeneralAntilles19:30
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Stskeepsjohnx: if i change around tslib and omap, it wants to load all of the x servers but not the input devices..19:30
Stskeepsapt really needs a severe severe beating19:31
GeneralAntillesHi, woglinde.19:31
johnxhuh...I swear I have both installed and almost nothing else19:31
mikkov_you can't claim copyright for something that is too simple or obvious19:31
GeneralAntillesmikkov_, you can claim copyright on translations.19:31
woglindeStskeeps when the package depends suckz19:31
GeneralAntillesTrust me on this one. :)19:31
woglindeapt cant do it other way19:31
Stskeepsyeah, but translations of words? :P19:32
GeneralAntillesTranslations are translations.19:32
GeneralAntillesBetter to just attribute them and avoid issues later.19:32
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I don't doubt what you are saying but it sounds a little pointless to claim copyright on translations imho19:32
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andre__Translations DO have copyrights.19:32
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, and I very much doubt any of the translators will actually care19:32
johnxStskeeps, four packages: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-tslib xserver-xorg-video-omapfb19:33
johnxI don't remember doing anything special to get them installed without anything else19:33
GeneralAntillesbut better to spent a short while to cover your bases than having one person object after the strings have been shipped with the next SSU.19:33
johnxbut *don't* install xserver-xorg first19:33
mikkov_yes, but if translation of one word necessarily doesn't meet mininal standards of originality19:33
qwerty12hildon-desktop's debian/rules: "# Use soft-float and thumb mode if it enabled.".eww. Time to change that...19:34
mikkov_"In Australia and the United Kingdom it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work"
GeneralAntillesmikkov_, either way, getting the attributions doesn't hurt anybody and certainly stands to reduce pain in the long run.19:35
andre__that's why some of the strings I translated were two words. :-P19:35
mikkov_GeneralAntilles: you are right. And translation of set of words is copyrighted anyway ;)19:35
johnxqwerty12, did you the benchmark results about mixing thumb and vfp code?19:36
woglindejohny there are 2 or 3 meta packages which pulls in all xserver packages19:37
qwerty12johnx, nope :). I have a habit though of compiling big programs with vfp :/19:37
woglindethumb needs some care19:37
woglindewith binutils 2.19 some thinks are broken19:37
johnxqwerty12, if you don't recompile the libs you'll probably get a net performance loss19:38
qwerty12Thanks johnx, reading...19:38
Stskeeps(and i guess for woglinde too.)19:38
johnxwhat about individually?19:38
johnxthough aptitude is really the right job for this, not apt-get19:39
woglindeI am using dselect19:39
woglindestskeep hm19:40
woglindexserver-xorg-input-all is the problem19:40
Stskeepsi guess it might work better if it was a metapackage instead of a large string of packages19:41
Stskeepsbut it's stupid it doesn't include command line parameters in the dependancy graph..19:41
johnxmaybe I downloaded, did dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install? wonder if that makes a difference...19:41
* Stskeeps tries with metapackage19:42
johnxall I know is I have just those four packages and apt isn't complaining about missing deps19:42
johnxI think there's an option to turn off the "install recommended" bit19:43
johnxthat would be highly suggested19:43
woglindeStskeeps what is the goal only the four packages?19:43
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Khertan_n810hi again19:43
woglindehi khertan19:44
Khertan_n810so'eone know how to remove border between two gtk treeview column19:44
woglindeKhertan_n810 does the gtk-doc says nothing?19:44
Khertan_n810hi woglinde19:44
Khertan_n810nope i don t see anything about that19:44
johnxhildon-desktop building, I'm off to bed19:45
Khertan_n810maybe i m wrong19:45
johnxgood luck Stskeeps19:45
woglindenite johnx19:45
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Khertan_n810google don t say anymore19:46
Khertan_n810maybe wrong search parameters19:46
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woglindeKhertan_n810 sorry I can not cope with gtk so much19:47
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saltyhello all19:48
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rdorschHello, I have on my N800 an "$ ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper" and get a "-sh: ldd: not found". Any ideas what is going wrong?19:49
rdorschwhich ldd give /usr/bin/ldd19:49
qwerty12[1|root@Nokia-N800-36-5|~]dpkg -S `which ldd`19:49
qwerty12libc6: /usr/bin/ldd19:49
saltyi wonder if someone can point me in the right direction for instructions to compiling outside source code for the N800 with maemo OS2008 using scratchbox2 with diablo-4.1-armel rootstrap19:51
Stskeepswoglinde: okay, it fails as a metapackage as well. lovely19:51
rdorschqwerty12: I have the same output of dpkg -S here19:51
woglindeStskeeps again what you want achieve?19:51
rdorschAny idea what could ldd stop form working? I am wondering if a locale setting could be an issue.19:51
qwerty12rdorsch, ah, it's a script. Try "busybox sh /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper"19:52
qwerty12rdorsch, you don't have bash installed which means no ldd (1: #!/bin/bash)19:52
Stskeepswoglinde: i have two packages. one is an x server, another is an input method. it is supposed to satisify the xorg-input-2 and such provides fromx server-xorg19:52
woglindeStskeeps hm okay19:53
qwerty12rdorsch, busybox's sh is too shit for ldd, install bash or something19:53
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Stskeepsand it can't be true apt changes behaviour based on the order of command line packages..19:53
woglindebut the apt-get puts the meta packages in19:54
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rdorschqwerty12: thanks, installing bash fixed the problem.19:58
RST38hmoo, all19:58
woglindemoo rst19:58
Mouseyapt-get moo20:00
Stskeepsapt-get grenade and wait around a bit20:01
Mouseyyou for got --pin or --no-pin20:01
Mouseyheheh, apt-pin20:01
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woglindelcuk why?20:03
lcukwell we know that20:04
RST38h--=* WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! *=--20:04
* Stskeeps passes lcuk more beer20:04
lcukmore - id forgotten about the first i drunk earlier - then just drove home20:05
* Jaffa thinks he's just fixed his millionth character encoding issue of the week. And this one used to work on Monday.20:05
lcukdamn you stskeeps20:05
lcukouch jaffa, i had regression bugs in my software - between a working function this morning and one this afternoon20:05
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RST38hHere, have a panic now20:06
Khertan_n810sorry 3g connection not stable20:06
lcuk(incidentally, the beer was virtual irc beer - for thos thinking im that silly)20:06
* lcuk is feelin a bit calmer 20:06
Khertan_n810hi lcuk20:06
* Stskeeps ponders idly why his software updater starts blinking all of a sudden20:06
lcukhiya khertan20:06
RST38hJaffa: That is why one should always use cp1252 =)20:06
RST38hOk, cp1251 if you need cyrillics.20:06
Khertan_n810woglinde: do u have an answer about gtk  treeview ?20:07
woglindekhertan sorry no20:07
woglindeI am not a really gtk guy20:07
Khertan_n810gtk.treeviewcolumn.set_spacing isn t the answer20:07
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Khertan_n810i just ask in case as i was disconnected20:07
RST38hwhat's the problem with treeview?20:07
Khertan_n810i have bg color between column20:08
Khertan_n810i have bg color set20:08
RST38hok, a moment20:09
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Khertan_n810rahhh ! orange sucks !20:10
Khertan_n810back again20:10
lcukheh Khertan_n81020:10
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* Khertan_n810 will make a murder !20:12
Khertan_n810really ?20:12
RST38hKhertan: do use the killdozer20:12
lcukkilldozer, is that a decepticon?20:12
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Khertan_n810RST38h: i ll try ... thx20:13
RST38hlcuk: No,
RST38halso gtk_tree_view_set_fixed_height_mode20:15
Khertan_n810i ve already fixed heigh :)20:16
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Khertan_n810all this thing just to do rubber banding due to stupid maemo theme20:16
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Khertan_n810and some other color background in some case20:19
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Khertan_n810this doesn t resolv my problem20:20
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RST38hStill different color between the rows?20:21
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Khertan_n810nor vadjustment, nor hadjusment20:21
Khertan_n810not between the ... between the columns20:21
RST38hoh, ok20:21
Khertan_n810i ll post a screenshot so you can see20:21
RST38hthis is different then20:21
RST38hyes please20:21
RST38hbtw, should I install roxterm? How is it better than the osso xterm?20:23
qwerty12RST38h, it isn't really tbh20:23
rdorschIs anybody using maemo-mapper_2.5-os2008 on diablo (not 2.4.1 or 2.5.1) ?20:24
rdorschIf yes, does it work? If yes, can you send me your output of "ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper"?20:24
lcukRST38h, holy ship! that killdozer is mental20:25
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Khertan_n810sorry upload was a bit slow20:26
RST38hlcuk: Yea, it is a nice story20:26
RST38hlcuk: Got the following too20:26
RST38hKhertan: How about ?20:26
RST38hKhertan: this is the main site URL not an image20:27
Khertan_n810this is worse as ... line is not draw for CellRendererToggle20:27
Khertan_n810look at the page mtasks20:27
RST38hnext idea...20:27
RST38hyea I see it20:27
Khertan_n810(i ve found how to set the bg color of the Toggle but i ve also this blank separator)20:28
RST38hIt MAY be a separator20:28
RST38hAre you sure it is not a separator?20:28
Khertan_n810hum ... i don t create one20:29
Khertan_n810so i don t think it s20:29
Khertan_n810i think the first time it was a border size20:29
Khertan_n810but there is any for TreeViewColumn20:29
Khertan_n810doesn t seems to be spacing too20:29
Khertan_n810as set_spacing(0) do not remove it20:30
Khertan_n810the two first column is fixed width but not the third20:30
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Khertan_n810grid_line is set to False20:30
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Khertan_n810height is fixed too20:31
RST38hHow about ?20:32
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Khertgan_againalready try20:34
Khertgan_againi ve fixed it to 0 on each column20:34
Khertgan_againother idea ?20:34
Khertgan_againas i don t have anymore20:34
* RST38h is at loss20:34
RST38hMaybe this is how it SHOULD be? Have you checked other GTK+ apps?20:35
Khertgan_againmaybe modify silently gtkrc theme at install20:35
rdorschDoes anybody know why the install file on still points to chinnok? Is that intended?20:35
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RST38hI think I found it.20:36
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Khertgan_againRST38h: i don t think as the size of the space is different between col 1-2 and col 2-320:36
RST38hKhertan: I found it20:36
RST38hThe "horizontal-separator" style property20:36
RST38hon the GtkTreeView20:36
* Khertgan_again want to believe20:36
Khertgan_againhow do u set it ?20:40
Khertgan_againit s read only20:40
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Khertgan_againmaybe i should stop coding ... i m tired and don t do anything good20:44
Stskeepsit's friday, go for the beer20:46
Stskeepswhen you're done with the hungover, you're good to go again20:46
Khertgan_againwhy does this property is read only in python and read and write in gtkmm20:48
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lcukStskeeps, if i had a drink everytime you mentioned beer today i would be very drunk.  planning a party tonight or something?20:49
Khertgan_againhum ... i ll stop coding ... this thing ll make me bad ...20:51
Khertgan_againthx for help !20:51
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Stskeepslcuk: nah, relaxing evening21:02
zshow can i detect keyboard events? I want to do something when keyboard button A is pressed on N81021:03
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: >_>21:06
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rm_youi'm double-scheduled for pretty much every hour of my day for the next week. >_< periodically triple-scheduled21:07
rm_youthis sucks so hard21:07
rm_youI can't wait till winter break <_<21:08
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GeneralAntillesPoor rm_you21:08
rm_youthis is the one major reason that i'd rather be working for a living vs. being a student21:08
rm_youat your job, you can GO HOME21:08
rm_youat school, they can make you work 36 hours a day if they feel like it21:08
GeneralAntillesDid you see adv-power?21:09
rm_youis it neat?21:09
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's off to a good start.21:09
GeneralAntillesIt's in Python right now, but he wants to switch to C.21:10
RST38hrm_you: it will end sooner or later21:10
RST38hand the worst thing is, YOU WILL MISS IT21:10
rm_youbut at least i'll have actual free time21:10
rm_youlike... when i go home, even if it isn't until 8pm or so, i'll BE ABLE TO DO THINGS without worrying about what I have to turn in for the morning21:11
rm_youi'll be sad about losing the community tho :(21:11
rm_youthough I don't get to do much with people these days anyway21:11
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RST38hfree time? no, not really21:11
rm_yousummers off is nice21:11
rm_youdo you do work at home? :/21:12
RST38h+ you will be brainfucked by the management daily21:12
* RST38h works any moment he isn't babysitting21:12
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: I wish I could have done backlight in python :P i would have known what the hell i was doing21:12
rm_youbetter in C tho, in the long run21:12
rm_youand hey, I learned some C :P21:12
rm_youaww, we aren't on the top anymore :()21:14
lcukrm_you, you have been replaced21:14
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lcukheh how u doin21:15
rm_youthat happens when you have to essentially leave the community for months at a time <_<21:15
rm_youlcuk: my life is hell right now :)21:15
rm_youthanks for asking21:15
qwerty12_N800rm_you, make an update to bklight to reclaim the number one spot :P21:15
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rm_youwe have an update to push21:16
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rm_youi just haven't >_>21:16
rm_youa deblet compatibility fix21:16
qwerty12_N800lcuk, great, when will I see it in liqbase? :P21:16
rm_youand something jott did, i forget what exactly21:16
lcuki dropped it in last week ;)21:16
rm_youwhere is adv-power?21:17
lcukrm_you, you never actually saw my brightness applet did you21:17
rm_youi want to see it :P21:17
rm_youlcuk: no >_>21:17
lcukwe have the advanced power21:17
rm_youi know21:17
rm_youlike, literally, link?21:17
woglindetime for a beer21:17
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rm_youhow could that possibly work <_<21:18
lcukyou click on it and the brightness changes..21:18
rm_youit's relative! >_<21:18
qwerty12_N800lcuk, 0_o21:18
GeneralAntillesrm_you, johnx decided liqbase now == emacs. ;)21:18
rm_youjohnx == correct21:18
rm_youfennec alpha 1?21:19
rm_youweren't we already all trying it?21:19
rm_youwas it in pre-alpha?21:19
lcuk:) actually GeneralAntilles its not now - i culled a lot of stuff21:19
* lcuk removed crufty test and has started a clean build :)21:20
GeneralAntillesrm_you, yeah, it just hit a real alpho21:20
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: rm_you, yeah, it just hit a real alpha21:20
GeneralAntillesStill slow, though.21:20
rm_youGeneralAntilles: link to adv-power?21:20
rm_youmissed it21:20
lcukrm_you,   it started off bein called pybattery21:20
lcukbut someone *cough* gen *cough* thought adv-power would be better21:20
GeneralAntillesI convinced him that latching on to our existing brand recognition would be good for everybody.21:21
lcukqwerty12_N800, you hadnt seen the brightness thingy?21:21
qwerty12_N800lcuk, not 'till now21:23
rm_youI agree21:23
rm_youI agree with GeneralAntilles21:23
RST38hrm_you: port pybattery to c!21:23
rm_yougetting together a suite of open source alternative utilities is a good idea21:23
rm_youand a unifying name is good21:24
rm_youi hate C21:24
RST38hok, C++21:24
rm_youand i have negative amounts of time21:24
rm_youlike i said, already double-booked21:24
RST38hpoor rm_you...21:24
rm_youi'm talking to you guys instead of eating lunch <_<21:24
lcukrm_you, ahhhh if time is your problem, write your GUI apps in assembler, they will run faster than naything21:24
RST38hLunch is overrated21:24
rm_youlol lcuk21:24
RST38hWhat are you majoring in anyway?21:24
rm_youComputer Science21:24
rm_youi finished with the major in 2.5 years21:25
* Stskeeps thinks there's actually quite a neat bunch of open source replacements21:25
RST38hrm_you: Still going through general electives then?21:25
rm_younow i have a bunch of liberal arts shit to take care of, yes21:25
Stskeepsbattery applet, MCE (powerlaunch), battery applet..21:25
RST38hoh, that stuff sucks21:25
rm_younone of which i give a &$@* about21:25
rm_youand all of which require a ridiculous amount of work21:25
RST38hrm_you: stick to history classes. NEVER take women studies.21:25
rm_youand not just like... generic whenever work21:25
rm_youthey require me to BE places21:25
rm_youfor specific amounts of hours21:26
RST38hrm_you: what kind of class is that?21:26
woglindeRST38h he in women studies are women21:26
rm_youmostly drama stuff21:26
RST38hrm_you: Well, you have made a wrong choice then.21:26
rm_youproduction techniques (set building, essentially)21:26
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lcukwhat would be nice is to have a profile based system which knows what to do if you in combinations of Charging/Locked/online etc21:26
rm_yourequires me to be in the studio for a certain amount of hours21:26
rm_youand i'm required to work backstage on the theater productions21:26
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Harmattan21:27
rm_youthat's like... 5 hours a day21:27
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rm_youduring my nights21:27
lcukno GeneralAntilles, harmattan is however many years away21:27
GeneralAntillesMore like year21:27
rm_youand i have work21:27
lcukthere is motivation now for these sorts of things21:27
rm_youduring the same hours i have to be: A) helping work on the play, B) working in the scene shop21:28
lcukwhether rm_you gets off his arse and does it is another matter :P21:28
rm_youI have to leave in like... soon, but21:28
rm_youyeah.... hopefully i'll have like21:28
* lcuk raises a glass21:28
GeneralAntillesFuckin' lazy bastard.21:28
rm_you1-2 days free over thanksgiving break21:28
rm_youand then winter break should give me a week or two21:28
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lcuklol GeneralAntilles the more i see rm_yous schedule the more i think harmattan wait isnt so long21:29
rm_youactually, going to germany for the summit kind of didn't help21:29
rm_youcause i started off a week behind in all my classes21:29
lcukbut it was worth it to fall asleep in the c-base time machine toilets21:29
rm_youdefinitely worth it tho :P21:29
rm_youand then black out at a mcdonalds :P21:30
rm_youactually what order were those things in21:30
rm_youi really don't actually recall much of that :P21:30
lcukwe woke you to go i think21:30
RST38hrm_you: here is a little hint21:30
rm_youall i remember is: C-Base... McDonalds ... home somehow21:30
RST38hrm_you: Never take libart classes that require you to do stuff, especially in groups21:31
rm_youi would just say fuck it, and not even go to some of that stuff21:31
RST38hrm_you: pure disaster, especially considering that americans don't work well in random groups21:31
rm_youexcept like... they play would seriously FAIL if i skipped21:31
rm_youcause i'm responsible for a bunch of the scene change stuff21:31
RST38hrm_you: take US history - it isn't very elaborate, although you will have to read a lot21:31
rm_youhistory classes make me want to stab myself in the eyes and ears with silverware21:32
RST38hrm_you: jewish studies are fine, especially if you get a few hasidic jews in the class21:32
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RST38hrm_you: well, suffer but persevere: they give you better chance of success and they are less trouble21:32
woglindeso now is really time for a beer21:32
rm_younext semester: Game Design Seminar, German 2, Statistics, Peoples of Russia, possibly Beginning Digital Photography21:33
RST38hrm_you: you CAN take ancient English literature if you are good with languages. Do keep in mind that 90% of the class won't be able to understand what they read at least until Francis Bacon21:33
rm_youshould be MUCH easier21:33
RST38hGerman - no21:33
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lcukmmmmmm bacon21:33
woglinderm_you nice you are learning german21:33
RST38hStatistics - I thought you should have taken that already?21:34
rm_youi specifically designed me schedule to have some slacker classes21:34
rm_youI did21:34
rm_youand withdrew21:34
rm_youi'm not a math person21:34
woglindewith math you are a better coder21:34
woglindetrzst me21:34
woglindeuos trust21:35
RST38hwoglinde: We are not talking advancement here21:35
woglindeotherwise you never will understanding cryptpgraphics21:35
RST38hWe are talking how to pass goddamn general electives without killing oneself21:35
rm_youi'm a better coder now than... well, this may be ego talking, or not, but... i THINK i'm a better coder than pretty much anyone else in the department21:35
rm_youand a lot of them know crazy math21:35
RST38hrm_you: It is OK to take environmental studies but make sure the class it tought by a real chemist or physicists21:35
woglinderst as minor I toook social education haha21:35
lcukyou have something that they wont have21:35
RST38hwoglinde: Bleah21:36
* RST38h took Math as a minor21:36
lcukreal world experience with dealing with requests and bugs from users21:36
woglinderst 90% women21:36
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woglindenice women21:36
RST38hwogline: yes, it is no better than women studies21:36
rm_youalso, I do this for fun21:36
RST38hor dietology21:36
rm_you95% of them don't code outside of classes21:36
lcuki would only date a whole woman, 100% of nothing21:36
* mgedmin still had no idea what 'women studies' are21:36
lcuk100% or nothing even21:36
* mgedmin imagines a room full of adolescents studying a woman21:36
woglindemgedmin litrature21:37
rm_youi'm doing Drama as a minor21:37
lcukmgedmin, whats wrong with that?21:37
rm_youbecause i'm insane, i think21:37
* lcuk passed with flying colours21:37
RST38hmgedmin: imagine a room full of adolescent women studying male chauvinism21:37
RST38hmgedmin: now, RUn FOR THE HILLS21:37
woglinderst in the us this bad it is?21:37
lcukmmmmmmmm boobies21:37
lcukwho mentioned hills?21:37
RST38hwoglinde: in THIS sense - yes21:37
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woglindere meiz21:38
RST38hwoglinde: But in general a university is a better place, you can always find people like yourself there21:38
woglinderst in the u.s. this diffrent form europe21:39
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RST38hwoglinde: really?21:39
woglindebecause most is taking part in the campus21:39
Guysoft422i have xchat here21:39
woglindehere univeristy is rather like doing a job21:39
woglindego there early and leave late21:39
woglindeor not going there at all21:40
RST38hwoglinde: same in the US unless you are not studying21:40
Guysoft422ah , worng channel :-s21:40
RST38hwoglinde: but you can still find intelligent people there who can be reasoned with21:40
rm_youalso, i run two student organizations <_<21:40
woglinderm_you baalalahaa21:40
rm_youthat doesn't help21:40
lcukrm_you, take a class in knowing your limits21:41
woglindewhat type of organizations?21:41
RST38hwoglinde: once you leave the university, it is dog eats dog, and rather often both canines are rabid21:41
rm_youlocal chapter of the ACM21:41
lcukit runs 9 times a week for 6 hours a session21:41
rm_youand... anime club :P21:41
woglindeanime club woth women?21:41
rm_youactually, like 75% of our members are female21:41
woglindethis sounds good21:42
* rm_you doesn't need to have taken a statistics class to figure that out!21:42
RST38hrm_you: ACm or anime?21:42
rm_youACM is...21:42
rm_you90% male21:42
rm_youyeah ok... so we have ONE21:42
rm_youONE female21:42
lcukand has she always been a woman21:42
rm_youand i dont think she'd show up if her boyfriend weren't an officer >_>21:43
* RST38h actually had more females in the CS classes21:43
* GeneralAntilles finds the strange reactions to application lists bizarre.21:43
RST38hEven got accused of sexual harassment once21:43
rm_youyeah, our CS department is 95% male21:43
rm_youbut our campus overall is like 60% female21:43
lcukcounter strike21:43
rm_youComputer Science21:44
RST38hHad to explain that by selectively harassing women only an instructor reduces the amount of people he can harass by 50%21:44
woglindelcuk bah suckz21:44
RST38hBad, BAD idea21:44
woglinderst its past21:44
woglindedont worry anymore21:44
rm_youRST38h: that is... lol21:44
lcukok rm_you, you have just extensively run over all the things you do on a monday mornin in uni, what about the rest fo the week21:45
Stskeepsoh, neat, docpurge -is- actually gpl21:47
RST38hI am sure he is making make-believe coffins for the drama class the rest of the week =)21:47
rm_youthat's my schedule for pretty much EVERY day21:47
RST38hFor the cemetery scene, you know21:47
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, come on, it's not exactly hard to make a clone :P21:47
rm_youthere is a sort of cemetary scene <_< but you don't see anything :P21:47
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lcukthats cos cemetaries are always in darkness21:48
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i know, but i was just curious. in the big spreadsheet it says nokia closed21:48
lcukits ALWAYS midnight in every cemetary21:48
rm_youoh, it's at like... 6pm21:49
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rm_youbut the graves are actually slightly offstage21:49
woglindehm whats cemetary, sorry for asking21:49
rm_youbecause otherwise we'd have to make a LOT of headstones21:49
Stskeepswoglinde: graveyard21:49
rm_youbecause every night he smashes four of them21:49
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woglindethanks srs21:50
woglindeups stskeep21:50
Stskeepssts, please21:50
rm_youany johnx's about?21:50
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* rm_you looks around for a spare johnx or two21:50
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Stskeepsthink he went to bed while his hildon-desktop compiles21:53
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rm_youhrm ok well21:55
rm_youholy crap it's late21:55
rm_youi gotta run21:55
* rm_you leaves for a week21:55
woglindebye rm_you21:55
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RST38hall right, time to update Sliderule21:58
GeneralAntillesAh, maemo-users, how we love you.21:58
RST38hmore crazy people?21:58
GeneralAntillesAnother Mark Haury® thread.21:58
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RST38hnot really crazy though, no fun22:00
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GeneralAntillesGive it time.22:01
GeneralAntillesRST38h, does GPLv2 work for you for your translation?22:01
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RST38hGAN: Yes, I do not care22:02
RST38hIt is a dozen of words.22:03
GeneralAntillesCool, thanks. ;)22:03
RST38h"FIRESTRIKE is a solid-state laser (think raygun), which weighs 400 pounds, has an Ethernet interface, and can be chained together with up to 7 other identical modules to create a 100 kw beam."22:03
RST38h[translation:  you should start scanning the internet for these right now =)]22:03
Stskeepsif i had a fenced garden, i would probably get one22:04
RST38hneed at least four - one for each corner22:05
lcukand a manufactured diamond to focus and merge the beams without actually ending the universe22:05
RST38hand a real doomsday weapon to place into the central cave22:05
lcukwould you have a big red button (TM) to activate it?22:06
lcukand if you did, who would you have to voice the countdown?22:06
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RST38hit is controllable over ethernet22:07
RST38hso, once you know the right IP addresses...22:07
lcukor do you have microsoft one care live to protect it22:07
lcukoh, you havent actually got one?22:08
RST38hat least not yet...22:08
lcukahhh phoey22:13
Stskeepsheh, armv6-vfp certainly makes a difference22:15
Stskeepsapt-get install isn't dog slow at loading dependancy graph22:16
qwerty12h8rStskeeps, i built dpkg, apt-get & h-a-m for maemo with armv6-vfp, works good for me too :p22:17
lcukStskeeps, which is which then - i gather the default compile mode is thumb and using emulated floating point math22:17
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Stskeepsaand the verdict is in. in 101 mb flash you can fit, amongst a armv6-vfp ubuntu,
Meiz_n810Pretty good22:23
lcuksts, is that a valid desktop22:24
woglindecanonical and arm wants to build a special ubuntu version for arm powered netbooks22:24
Stskeepswoglinde: old news, and it will suck as much power as deblet on a tablet22:24
Stskeepslcuk: it will boot into console and it has a X server and can run X apps22:24
lcukxv apps?22:24
woglindeStskeeps pffffffffffffff22:24
Stskeepsand full GTK, hildon, osso, etc libraries22:24
Stskeepslcuk: i'm not sure how good the xv is in the version we use, but i guess so22:25
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lcuki gotta get me a usb asap22:25
Stskeepsheh, this will boot from a sd card22:25
Stskeeps.. i think22:25
Stskeepsshould actually try, hmm :P22:25
qwerty12h8rlcuk, still using bora? :P22:26
lcukyeah, still have no usb22:26
qwerty12h8rwire up the serial port :P22:27
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Stskeeps.. you know you're a alternative OS hacker for the tablets when you keep long nails to be able to pop the battery easier.. :P22:27
lcukn810 battery falls out22:27
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, tap it on your palm. . . .22:28
lcukyou just pop the metal and hear a metal CLANG! THUD as the cover hits the stand followed by battery and then onto desk22:28
qwerty12h8rStskeeps, i'm happy to say i used a knife long enough on the tablet battery to be able to use short fingernails22:28
GeneralAntillesYou guys are nuts22:28
GeneralAntillesSeriously, just tap the damn thing on your palm once or twice22:29
GeneralAntillescomes right out.22:29
lcuki could barely get the 800 battery out, it was like the time i slept between 2 buxom ladies22:29
ShadowJK_I cut and folded some battery to put around the N810 battery so that it wouldn't rattle inside...22:29
Stskeepshm, not on my n800 :P22:29
ShadowJK_some paper*22:29
lcukthough i dont think the battery actually gasps "let me out i cant breathe"22:29
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lcukhmm maybe i shouldnt use that analogy22:29
qwerty12h8rlcuk, you can feel what's happening in your dreams?22:29
Stskeepswoo, it boots too. though i haven't seen that console font before..22:30
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: i'm updating the m-r.tar.gz installer script22:31
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Meiz_n810great :)22:32
Stskeeps.. once my tablet has booted again22:32
Stskeepsit requires deblet installer installed though22:32
Meiz_n810i have it22:32
Stskeepsand your fs mounted in /mnt/deblet, so22:32
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* Stskeeps is kinda amazed over the 101mb22:33
Stskeepsi was afraid we were going to hit some real hardship once the hildon and gtk libs started coming on22:33
Meiz_n810Now i am debootstrapping because of that fucking segmentation fault error. m-r.tar.gz is armv6-vfp?22:34
Stskeepsadmittedly we still lack a proper ui and features, but ..22:34
StskeepsMeiz_n810: m-r.tar.gz is a debootstrap installer22:34
Stskeepswhich sets things up right22:34
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Stskeepsgive me a couple of secs to update the22:34
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Stskeepsread through the install_mr script to see what it does, atleast22:37
Meiz_n810where is that tar.gz?22:39
Stskeeps(noted it on jaiku :P)22:40
Stskeepsdo me a favour and see if rootfs is mounted rw or ro when it has booted22:43
Stskeepswasn't gUPNP supposed to be part of fremantle instead?22:44
Stskeeps.. why is it in diablo updates then?22:44
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, isn't some of the stuff being pushed to Diablo for early testing?22:50
GeneralAntillesI'm fairly certain that was the plan with Tracker, anyway.22:51
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: your installer seems to work well22:51
Stskeepsoh crap22:52
Stskeepsit isnt debootstrapping, is it?22:52
Stskeepsjust think i gave you one that doesnt debootstrap :)22:52
Meiz_n810i debootstrapped manually, so it just installs needed packages22:52
Meiz_n810but i looked at the installer file, and it should debootstrap22:53
Meiz_n810maybe it does not because i already have dont it22:53
shaprIs anyone using a 32GB SDHC card yet?22:54
StskeepsMeiz_n810: updated tar.gz, it will debootstrap using my base system and all then22:54
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shaprGeneralAntilles: Is that, yes you are using a 32gb card?22:55
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: should i try it?22:55
StskeepsMeiz_n810: .. wait :P22:55
GeneralAntillesshapr, not me personally, but plenty of people are.22:56
GeneralAntilles2048GB cards will work without issue.22:56
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Meiz_n8102048 GB!!22:57
Meiz_n810lot of space22:57
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: yes, updated now22:58
Stskeepstesting if it works on my install too :P22:58
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Meiz_n810_Debootstrapping now with your installer Stskeeps =P23:04
Meiz_n810_i'll go to sleep now, i'll see if it has done what it should...23:05
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GeneralAntillesAaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares"23:48
lcukAaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares"23:49
GeneralAntillesIs there are echo in here?23:50
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Is there an echo in here?23:50
qwerty12_N800Is there are echo in here?23:50
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: Is there an echo in here?23:50
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i'm not sure where the border goes really23:51
Stskeepswall of information, maybe23:51
lcukbah! by copying your line i lost the block i was gonna write23:51
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, well, "Maemo" is a mobile software platform23:51
GeneralAntillesas software platforms aren't yet intelligent, they don't particularly care about anything. ;)23:52
GeneralAntillesMaemo Software is a division of Nokia.23:52
GeneralAntillesJaffa, ping.23:54
Stskeepsoh, a qgil response to ubuntu/arm..*read*23:57
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Stskeepshah, thought o23:58

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