| ds3 | After 4 weeks of usage, Diablo on the N800 is crap. The problems outweigh the fixes over chinook :( | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bull | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds more like your install is broken. | 00:02 |
| ds3 | There are too many things scattered all over - bluetooth keyboard stopped working; Modest is loosing mail (same POP account is viewed elsewhere and it is in the pop account), I can name more | 00:04 |
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| ds3 | looks like it is not just me on the BT keyboard - there is a thread on it on ITT | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine works fine | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you restore a backup? | 00:05 |
| ds3 | nope | 00:05 |
| ds3 | flash the image and installed the updates online | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | meh, I'm just getting frustrated with people complainin about their problems with chinook and diablo, while I still have 770 with OS2007HE2 | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | :-/ | 00:05 |
| LinuxCode | Myrtti, let the complain a bit longer then buy a n900 | 00:06 |
| LinuxCode | them* | 00:06 |
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| Myrtti | LinuxCode: nah, if it has hardware keyboard it's pretty useless to me | 00:07 |
| Myrtti | I've been lurking behind my friends back if he would sell me his old n800 | 00:07 |
| * Stskeeps should really follow a bit up on the 770 deblet, just haven't found the time.. | 00:07 | |
| Myrtti | then I'd be happy | 00:07 |
| LinuxCode | Myrtti, then you wont be buying any new Nxxx device | 00:07 |
| Myrtti | LinuxCode: nope | 00:07 |
| Myrtti | LinuxCode: perfectly aware of that | 00:07 |
| LinuxCode | in fact..I think there wont be any device without a hardware keybaord soon | 00:08 |
| LinuxCode | not just nokia | 00:08 |
| ds3 | it is very frustrating with all these regressions in diablo | 00:08 |
| * Stskeeps would like a hw keyboard, but not like n810's | 00:08 | |
| LinuxCode | stuff is getting so small.... they need new ways to make up the space | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | slide out touchscreen however.. | 00:08 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, why not ? | 00:08 |
| LinuxCode | I find it very usable | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | too much use will hurt my wrists insanely | 00:09 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind something like the thumb/finger keyboard popping up on a slide out touchscreen, so you can adjust layouts, do tricks with two displays, etc | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | the hardware keyboard Finnish layout isn't as faithful to the original as I'd like it to be, and I'm also multilingual and lend my apparatus to my foreign friends - hardware keyboard is something that adds up to the price in comparison to n800 with less functionality - easier to break when dropping or getting guinea pig hair, wool lint or crisp bread crackers in between :-P | 00:11 |
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| Myrtti | I'm an awful person, I know. | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | you lend your 770 to your guinea pig? | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | no, but I do use my 770 when holding them... | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 00:13 |
| Myrtti | though I did consider for a while that if I'd get n800, I'd lend it to them to use as a cavycam | 00:13 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 00:13 |
| Myrtti | then the whole family would be networked :-P | 00:13 |
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| ds3 | anyone know if the Linux flasher will do the right thing if I give it a chinook fiasco image to flash a device that has diablo on it? | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes. even windows flasher lets you downgrade | 00:16 |
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| * GeneralAntilles can't imagine why anybody would want to. | 00:17 | |
| * Stskeeps has learnt to accept diablo, but is using claws instead of modest now, and think things are going in the right direction | 00:19 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Compared to Chinook? | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't get it. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook was slow and shitty | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't go back to chinook though as all the progress happens in diablo, and extras being sane is a good thing | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you go back to Chinook? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo is better than Chinook for me in every way possible. | 00:23 |
| guysoft42 | is there a way to get xchat on N810? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, install it from Extras-devel. | 00:23 |
| guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, is there a simple way to add repos? | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | ~extras | 00:24 |
| infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | you only really need two, extras and optionally extras-devel | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | with the .install there | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did roxterm get added+ | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 00:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it's in extras-devel yet. i decided to leave it until it's been tested properly. | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42, open http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/xchat.install with the browser on the tablet | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: k, removing from deblet repo then | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | eh, seems like i've already removed it | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's working fine for me so i'll promote it in a couple of days | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | this a hildonization of an earlier extras devel version? | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:28 |
| ds3 | cuz Diablo is buggy for my usage | 00:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i've learnt the basics after fucking around with transmission | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | then zenity is last on my list that isn't bootmenu or deblet installer | 00:29 |
| ds3 | it cost me about 6 hours of debugging to figure out how diablo broke basic static IP address networking and to assemble a workaround | 00:29 |
| ds3 | then there is the odd behavior of modest loosing mail; and now bluetooth keyboard doesn't work | 00:29 |
| ds3 | while it is true the microb in diablo is a lot better, web browsing is only part of the tablet functionality I need | 00:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hrm Bundyo says zenity is a straight compile, i could package that when i get the time? | 00:32 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, thanks :) | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np :) | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright | 00:32 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, i seem to have a long way to go.. | 00:32 |
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| Stskeeps | by the time you've fiddled enough around with the tablet, you're addicted, and it's too late | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 00:34 |
| * Stskeeps bought his after lurking in here for a while, playing around with it at work, and seeing it on a conference | 00:34 | |
| Stskeeps | .. and dragging around a heavy laptop for 5 days in hong kong | 00:34 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 bought it after seeing kismet & kde running on it. i used kde once & kismet takes a long while :p | 00:35 | |
| * Guysoft422 is now on his n810 | 00:36 | |
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| ds3 | under chinook, I had things working well enough that it was doing 85-90% of what i needed a laptop for; only thing it couldn't do was serve as a mobile cross compile platform (lack CPU power) | 00:38 |
| ds3 | now under diablo, that things barely useful...ARRG :( | 00:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ds3: then how do your tablet wish-OS look like? from system level | 00:40 |
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| ds3 | Stskeeps: system level? as in kernel features or higher up? | 00:41 |
| GAN800 | Speak English much good? :p | 00:41 |
| Navi | GAN800: no i not very good at english | 00:41 |
| Navi | pleas don't make fun me :( | 00:42 |
| GAN800 | Hey! Listen! | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: well, anything you'd like to see improvement in, i guess | 00:42 |
| Guysoft422 | is there a way to install fonts for other languages on maemo? | 00:42 |
| Navi | GAN800: I refuse to listen, and I choose to hey. | 00:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, It is possible, what language? | 00:43 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: well, things actually work; a ligher weight browser (or one that gives me more knobs to turn off javascript/flash features); a more configurable network manager; ability to export WiFi back overbluetooth; native A2DP support; proper Vorbis support | 00:44 |
| ds3 | and consistantly larger screen controls so a stylus isn't needed. Graffiti input would be a plus | 00:45 |
| Guysoft422 | qwert | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: wifi back over bluetooth isn't impossible though. that'd be NAT at most and PAN | 00:45 |
| Guysoft422 | qwerty12_N800, hebrew | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | configurable network manager we can probably agree on, but have you been fighting with NetworkManager recently? :P | 00:46 |
| Guysoft422 | btw, is there a way to do tab here? | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | lightweight.. Tear, or Midori | 00:46 |
| ds3 | actually, the networkmanager stuff is the FIRST thing I fought with on diablo | 00:46 |
| GAN800 | hebrew is in Extras | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | when i saw NetworkManager i mean the one from normal linux. ICD = nokia's | 00:47 |
| ds3 | my wifi setup is a 10.x.x.x/24 using static addresses and that does not work under the current stuff; it ignores the netmask | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, Well, there is a package in extras called... wait for it... hebrew :p | 00:47 |
| ds3 | oops, I meant fighting with ICD then | 00:47 |
| Guysoft422 | what about the tab? | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: you have any interest in the system architecture then? if we look below ui surface though | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | Guysoft422: you mean nick completion or tabs? :P | 00:48 |
| Guysoft422 | yep | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, No idea sorry, i don't know about tab on n810 keyboard except that it is weird to do :p | 00:49 |
| Guysoft422 | or anywhere else for that matter | 00:49 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: the lower level stuff is what I am most familiar with... | 00:49 |
| Guysoft422 | brb restart | 00:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ds3: a bit of balant advertising then, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , - feel free to contribute proposals / changes / ideas etc on the talk page | 00:50 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: are you with Nokia? | 00:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ds3: nop, community | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't mean we can't create proof of concepts and show to nokia that some changes would be viable for platform improvement | 00:52 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: I should cool off a bit before doing any contributions; right now I am half way ready to toss out most of the Maemo stuff and replace it with my own like I did with the SLS stuff back in 92 | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: hehe. i did Deblet, so i know some of the hardships - but, nokia is actually showing to be more and more open to changes | 00:53 |
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| ds3 | Stskeeps: did you keep the Nokia kernel + the dsme for power management? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: for deblet, yeah | 00:54 |
| Guysoft422 | qwerty, then how do you complete names in IRC? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: OHM will come out sooner or later and that'd probably be a replacement | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ds3: dsme is trivial to talk to so | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: deblet was/is mostly an exersise to show alternative OS'es on tablets/environments are viable, but maemo are doing some right things in terms of power management | 00:56 |
| GAN800 | ds3, any relation to ds2? | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, Type the first few letters of the name and press tab to cycle through. I don't know how you do tab on an N810 keyboard (N800 with osk here) | 00:56 |
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| Stskeeps | and some of those tricks make less sense for typical desktop distros, until they start catching up with power saving on regular machines :P | 00:57 |
| Guysoft422 | osk? | 00:57 |
| ds3 | GAN800: same... different nicks since #maemo traffic is so high | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Guysoft422, on screen keyboard | 00:57 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: how long of a battery life can you get with deblet running? | 00:57 |
| GAN800 | Aah, right then. Thanks for the Beagle help. :) | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: well, considering it's running a desktop system, 12 hours or so. nothing impressive really. | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | 12 hours idle, that is | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | still better than a laptop | 00:58 |
| Guysoft422 | strange, the hebrew keyboard only works on screen | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Guysoft422: there's a keyboard layout thing in control panel probably? | 00:59 |
| Guysoft422 | yes, but it sets up only the osk | 01:00 |
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| ds3 | Stskeeps: ah, so you didn't set it up to do all the idle things for PM? | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | ds3: but basically we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up with the software published, and which problems we run into if we try to base it on let's say, ubuntu minimal base, and try to build the system up around principles of power saving (.. upstart job descriptions, OHM, hibernating applications, etc) | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | just the sleep while idle stuff and such from linux kernel | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | (re PM) | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | and wifi power saving | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | DSME isn't that magic really | 01:02 |
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| ds3 | I am thinking more of all those little animations that a stock desktop likes to put up | 01:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ah - well we didn't experiment so much with that in deblet, initial goal was to get a sane debian system going, which we did | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | but also inherited the power usage of a debian desktop system | 01:03 |
| ds3 | gotcha | 01:03 |
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| Guysoft422 | stskeeps, that sounds alot like how they built the ubuntu flavor of OLPC | 01:04 |
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| ds3 | I doubt it would be well received but I would like to see stuff like dbus go away and just have a tighter coupling, prehaps with more of a binary protocol | 01:04 |
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| Stskeeps | well considering how little dbus messages fly around and that we're dealing with at least a 166mhz machine, it's probably good enough to have a more abstract view on the world like dbus | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | for flexibility | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | which is something maemo usually has going for it, it is a versatile platform, but has its walls regarding some things | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | walls/barriers | 01:07 |
| ds3 | it is still a process with a footprint | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | i would really have preferred to see dbus as a kernel thing instead really.. i was quite inspired by the fast ipc possible with L4 for instance | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | and dbus should be minimal obviously, - direct bloat doesn't belong in dbus :P | 01:09 |
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| ds3 | I much rather see a direct usage of sockets instead | 01:10 |
| derf | The big problem with dbus is that if the server dies, all its clients die. | 01:10 |
| derf | Which means that upgrading dbus basically means rebooting. | 01:10 |
| ds3 | I can tolerate dbus just prefer otherwise | 01:10 |
| derf | Bringing the Linux experience one step closer to being just like Windows. | 01:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ds3: you could probably hack up your own ICD if you wanted.. patches for cx3110x exist to give the full wireless-tools | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | ICD is "just" a dbus participant anyway | 01:14 |
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| Stskeeps | had NetworkManager going in Deblet, for instance | 01:14 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, i didn't know RSS reader was OSS | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 01:26 |
| ds3 | Stskeeps: I know. | 01:26 |
| ds3 | I have done the swap in the kernel and shove your own app down the frame buffer thing already; have to make it a bit more useful | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm off to bed, bbl | 01:28 |
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| prez00 | any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid? | 02:17 |
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| jagernot | i copy my files from jag@localhost to scratchbox all the time and have to enter a password how do i prevent that? | 02:43 |
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| shapr | ssh master | 02:48 |
| shapr | At the end of your ~/.ssh/config put: | 02:49 |
| shapr | Host * | 02:49 |
| shapr | ControlMaster auto | 02:49 |
| shapr | ControlPath /tmp/ssh-%h-%p-%r | 02:49 |
| shapr | Then you ssh into your scratchbox in one xterm, and "scp jag@scratchbox *" will no longer ask you for a password, because it reuses the existing ssh connection. | 02:50 |
| shapr | jagernot: Sounds good? | 02:50 |
| jagernot | thanks shapr..sorry for delayed reply. | 02:51 |
| jagernot | will try this out | 02:51 |
| shapr | poke me if you have any problems | 02:52 |
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| prez00 | any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid? | 02:54 |
| Robot101 | prez00: it'll probably be possible to update a few components to make it work | 02:55 |
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| Robot101 | prez00: we're working on it atm | 02:55 |
| Robot101 | they need to add H.263 support | 02:55 |
| Robot101 | but I've heard its planned | 02:55 |
| prez00 | cool... | 02:55 |
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| Robot101 | the signalling we've basically got done | 02:56 |
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| jagernot | shapr: it says bad control master and bad control path | 02:56 |
| Robot101 | they only have one codec choice atm though | 02:56 |
| Robot101 | and it's a weird variety of H.264 which isn't supported at all by the N810 | 02:56 |
| prez00 | why'd they go with weird h.264? | 02:58 |
| Robot101 | it's a new standard called H.264/SVC, scalable video coding | 02:58 |
| Robot101 | it has a basic H.264 low-detail stream | 02:58 |
| Robot101 | then if you have more bandwidth it can add more detail | 02:59 |
| Robot101 | its pretty nice for video conferencing | 02:59 |
| Robot101 | but it has basically 0 free implementations | 02:59 |
| Robot101 | and I'm not sure I've seen any linux implementations at all | 02:59 |
| prez00 | open standard? | 02:59 |
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| Robot101 | prez00: yeah, ish. as much as H.264 is, in that some of the stakeholders could have patents or other IPR in there, and demand licensing fees | 03:03 |
| Robot101 | but the specs are obtainable for a fee etc, it's an ITU standard | 03:04 |
| prez00 | got it, thankss | 03:06 |
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| bef0rd | thanks for answering that Robot101, I asked the same thing yesterday :P | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody confirm or deny those existing attributions? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://slexy.org/view/s2qlAmluvg | 05:10 |
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| halley | have had some problem with vi not editing well in utf-8 files. no problems with same locale on other platforms | 05:21 |
| halley | also backspacing on sh command lines when dealing with utf-8 characters. | 05:22 |
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| camel_liu | hi, everyone | 06:58 |
| camel_liu | I want get lftp for my n800. Where can I get it? | 06:58 |
| camel_liu | Maemo repo? | 06:59 |
| camel_liu | apt-cache search lftp returns nothing. | 06:59 |
| tulkastaldo | try looking around http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/ ? | 07:01 |
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| camel_liu | There is no result matching the search criteria 'lftp'. | 07:05 |
| tulkastaldo | that's about the extent of my help, I'm pretty useless :P | 07:06 |
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| camel_liu | thanks anyway. | 07:07 |
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| bradd | camel_liu, I found -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135615#post135615 | 07:12 |
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| shapr | Does the N800 read mobile codes? | 07:15 |
| dsn800 | mobile codes? | 07:16 |
| Navi | Wut | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 07:16 |
| oilinki | mobile codes as 2D bar-codes? | 07:17 |
| dsn800 | ah you mean qrcodes and datamatrix | 07:18 |
| tulkastaldo | datamatrix, that the geeky version of a dominatrix? | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do any of the karma listings work for anybody? | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | They always timeout server-side for me. | 07:21 |
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| bef0rd | hai | 07:46 |
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| bef0rd | shapr, I believe there is a garage project for that | 07:48 |
| camel_liu | bradd, thanks, I'll try this lftp | 07:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs a throw-away SD: http://www.woot.com/ | 08:01 |
| Luria | hmm | 08:04 |
| Luria | an interesting proposal | 08:05 |
| bef0rd | crap | 08:05 |
| bef0rd | that's cheap | 08:05 |
| Luria | meh. dont need it. need hsfs for dual socket f | 08:06 |
| Luria | my dynatrons are loud and dont mount right. | 08:07 |
| Luria | one fell into my gtx280 | 08:07 |
| Luria | broke two fan blades | 08:07 |
| Luria | i hope everything survives | 08:07 |
| Luria | well, lifetime warranty ftw | 08:07 |
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| prak | how long does the screen shown in http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouchcrystal/cleartouch-crystal-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm#details usually last? | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still on my first one from a year ago. | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recommend the anti-glare over the clear-touch, though. | 08:10 |
| prak | why anti-glare over the clear-touch? | 08:11 |
| camel_liu | I uncarefully reset target DIABLO_ARMEL. Can I install it only? | 08:14 |
| oilinki | I think my wife is technically more advanced that I am. It took me 5 minutes to open the front cover of N800.. my wife could do the same with an single drop to the floor. | 08:15 |
| prak | how effective is the boxwave screen protectors against scratches? | 08:22 |
| prak | how often would i need to replace the screen protector? | 08:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, I'm still on my original | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better texture, anti-glare protection | 08:23 |
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| prak | GeneralAntilles, how long have you been on the original? | 08:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, one year. . . . | 08:25 |
| prak | sorry that i have missed that | 08:26 |
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| prak | how well does android work on the n810? | 08:32 |
| prak | i had a lot of problems installing android on it last month | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a dead end. | 08:32 |
| prak | how is it a dead end? | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless we have a page flipping framebuffer and 3d, it's just not going any farther. | 08:34 |
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| prak | what's wrong with those? | 08:39 |
| prak | running too slow? | 08:39 |
| prak | or the features just not there? | 08:39 |
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| camel_liu | when I do apt-get update, I got: Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk Release.gpg | 09:18 |
| camel_liu | Got a single header line over 360 chars | 09:18 |
| camel_liu | What's the matter? | 09:18 |
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| camel_liu | Is the repo down? | 09:19 |
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| camel_liu | Does anybody know what happens to maemo repo? When I update, it always returns error of 'Got a single header line over 360 chars'. | 09:22 |
| tulkastaldo | seems that way | 09:26 |
| camel_liu | Can anyone do a help? | 09:32 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:38 |
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| camel_liu | Afternoon, all | 09:43 |
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| oilinki | hmm. even opening and cleaning the touch screen on n800 did not resolve issue with very bad calibration on right bottom corner. | 09:54 |
| oilinki | my display is still about 7mm off. | 09:54 |
| oilinki | I have also reflashed (without restoring backup) the device. is there any other thing I could do to resolve the calibration issue? screen calibration can not do it as the calibration is too much out. | 09:56 |
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| oilinki | or do you remember where was the information about displays in 770, n800, n810.. is it possible to swap an display module from 770 to n800? | 10:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No | 10:02 |
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| oilinki | also n810 and n800 have different modules? | 10:03 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 10:05 |
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| oilinki | hmm. not good then. | 10:06 |
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| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3859 | 10:10 | |
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| camel_liu | What wrong with maemo repo? I cannot update or install anything! | 10:16 |
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| camel_liu | Always 'Got a single header line over 360 chars' | 10:17 |
| mischamolhoek | hi everyone! | 10:17 |
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| mister_m | hi all, | 10:19 |
| camel_liu | Nobody here? | 10:20 |
| mister_m | me :) | 10:20 |
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| mister_m | let me check if i can install/// | 10:20 |
| mister_m | n800 btw | 10:20 |
| camel_liu | I cannot update or install in scratchbox. | 10:22 |
| mister_m | aha, that i don't know | 10:22 |
| mister_m | do you have connection with the outside world, within you scratchbox? | 10:23 |
| camel_liu | of course | 10:25 |
| bradd_ | camel_liu, works for me from a fresh install (yesterday) | 10:28 |
| camel_liu | see: http://pastebin.ca/1255984 | 10:28 |
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| Mek | probably a problem with your proxy? | 10:31 |
| camel_liu | I found a proxy info in that. Maybe when I install armel target, I try a proxy. | 10:31 |
| camel_liu | Yes, Let me try to find it | 10:31 |
| Mek | well, according to that output you are using a proxy, and that proxy server seems broken | 10:34 |
| camel_liu | I found a 99proxy in target's apt.conf.d directory, and I del it, but problem is still here | 10:35 |
| camel_liu | What else can I do? restart target? | 10:36 |
| camel_liu | Mek, How can I find if I use a proxy in scratchbix? | 10:39 |
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| Guysoft422 | hey; is there a way to install firefox 3 on mamo? | 10:44 |
| camel_liu | There's a proxy ( http://192.168.1.181:9014/) used in wget, but I did not set it, how can I delete it? | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but there isn't much point. | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's slow and crappy. | 10:45 |
| camel_liu | How can I set proxy in scratchbox? | 10:46 |
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| camel_liu | I resolved it | 11:03 |
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| guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, is there a way to sync bookmarks between them? and install greasemonkey? | 11:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i wanna lxde for m-r,but i have had no luck yet. I downloaded sources from sourceforge, but i have no idea how to compile... | 11:52 |
| prak | is it more worthwhile to put debian or android on n810? | 11:52 |
| prak | or rather | 11:52 |
| prak | which one is better for what type of applications? | 11:52 |
| StsN800 | debian is good if you want apps from debian, android if you want an outdated port | 11:53 |
| prak | outdated port? | 11:54 |
| prak | i just want to try out android just for fun | 11:54 |
| prak | but i'm having trouble installing it | 11:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | for now it is really outdated | 11:54 |
| prak | http://www.talkandroid.com/134-android-nokia-n810-install/ and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240 is what i followed | 11:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | the installer thing | 11:54 |
| StsN800 | Meiz_n810, get source packages from ubunu? | 11:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | StsN800: thanks | 11:55 |
| prak | you mean the installer being outdated could be the problem of my installation troubles? | 11:55 |
| StsN800 | and dpkg-buildpackage them | 11:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 11:55 |
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| Meiz_n810 | that android is pretty old | 11:55 |
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| Meiz_n810 | but i believe there is team working with the new one | 11:56 |
| prak | Meiz_n810, but until then, i probably can't install android, even with the old installer? | 11:56 |
| prak | and the old installer is the only installer out there right now? | 11:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes | 11:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | old installer is for old android | 11:57 |
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| prak | i guess i'll wait for the new one to come out then | 11:57 |
| prak | thanks for the heads up | 12:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | StsN800: i tried apt-get source lxpanel lxde-common. It says there is no packages called lxpanel os lxde-common | 12:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | *or | 12:05 |
| StsN800 | you have proper sources.lidst? | 12:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 12:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have all these what are listed at http://mojo.handhelds.org/hasty-armv6el-vfp | 12:07 |
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| camel_liu | What IDE do you use in scratchbox for development? | 12:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | I am trying to compile in tablet :) with chroot | 12:10 |
| camel_liu | Could anyone give a suggestion about IDE development tools in scratchbox? | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | camel: Geany | 12:13 |
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| prak | when using maemo mapper, how long should the gps take to locate where i am? | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Depending on where you are and whether you are running AGPS | 12:16 |
| camel_liu | not know about Geany | 12:16 |
| StsN800 | Meiz_n810, maybe debian source packages then | 12:16 |
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| StsN800 | find at packages.ubuntu.com | 12:16 |
| StsN800 | er | 12:16 |
| RST38h | camel: Do you know about google? | 12:16 |
| StsN800 | debian.org | 12:16 |
| camel_liu | not know AGPS neither | 12:17 |
| prak | RST38h, AGPS? | 12:17 |
| prak | or a gps? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | ~info agps | 12:17 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 12:18 |
| RST38h | ~what agps | 12:18 |
| prak | i got confused when RST38h said agps | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Ok, let us approach it from a different direction | 12:18 |
| prak | ok | 12:19 |
| prak | it seems that my gps on my n810 keeps searching forever | 12:19 |
| prak | hence i never gotten it working properly | 12:19 |
| RST38h | yea, so it does | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Install this program: agps-ui from the Maemo Extras | 12:20 |
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| prak | ok | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Run it, select your current locaiton on the map (as prcisely as possible) | 12:20 |
| prak | i'll check if agps-ui is installed | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Then quit agps-ui and run Map or Maemo Mapper | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Do make sure you are outside and the sky view is not blocked by buildings. | 12:20 |
| RST38h | It should take 40seconds to 5 minutes for the GPS to lock on. | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Oh, almost forgot: your tablet should have an internet connection (wifi or gprs) but as you are using the Mapper, you probably have it anywya | 12:21 |
| prak | i can't find agps-ui | 12:21 |
| prak | i can find a-gps | 12:22 |
| prak | i'm not sure if they are the same thing | 12:22 |
| RST38h | same thing | 12:22 |
| prak | and a-gps is a beta version | 12:22 |
| prak | ok | 12:22 |
| prak | should i see the world map when selecting the location for gps to sync? | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | A law criminalising denial of service attacks and the supply of hacking tools has been brought into force in England and Wales after a number of delays. The law was already in force in Scotland. | 12:51 |
| RST38h | hEHE | 12:51 |
| johnx | laws against "hacking tools" worry me a little | 12:56 |
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| RST38h | They are wonderful - make it much easier to jail people at random | 12:57 |
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| johnx | so laws against DDoS...does that make slashdot illegal? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Although I kinda thought UK had no problem with this even without hacking tools | 12:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, so generally, UK may incarcerate or even execute Slashdot | 12:58 |
| RST38h | =) | 12:58 |
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| lardman | bergie: ping | 13:02 |
| lardman | morning all | 13:02 |
| bergie | lardman: pong | 13:02 |
| lardman | bergie: I didn't quite understand the fix made to the karma, what's this about duplicate accounts? | 13:02 |
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| lardman | bergie: is that some duplicate on the server side, rather than duplicate email accounts? | 13:03 |
| bergie | lardman: there were sometimes issues with user import from garage, and because of that many users have duplicate (inactivated) accounts | 13:03 |
| lardman | ah, that makes sense now | 13:03 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 13:03 |
| bergie | the issue was that sometimes garage produced corrupted user list transfer file | 13:05 |
| bergie | and so the importer thought some accounts had been removed and inactivated them | 13:05 |
| bergie | then in next import it created new copies | 13:05 |
| lardman | ok | 13:05 |
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| johnx | hey Stskeeps :D | 13:22 |
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| StsN800 | lo johnx | 13:28 |
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| zap | how's called that nice matchbox-sized thingy with an OMAP 3530 on it? | 13:37 |
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| zap | bearbox or something like it | 13:38 |
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| StsN800 | zap, beagleboard? | 13:39 |
| johnx | gimstix, beagleboard. omapzoom? | 13:39 |
| johnx | pandora (for a big matchbox) | 13:39 |
| StsN800 | gumstix | 13:39 |
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| johnx | yes, gumstix overo, not gimstix :) | 13:40 |
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| zap | StsN800: thanks | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll work a bit with installer this afternoon | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | any luck on finding the minimal subset? | 14:09 |
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| brphelps | Does maemo sdk 4.1 work with the n770 | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | good question i guess | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | it technically does target diablo, but i dunno if its impossible to compile for 770 :P | 14:17 |
| brphelps | So if I am targetting the 770, I need to use 2.2? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's OS2006 or OS2007HE and OS2008HE too.. | 14:18 |
| brphelps | n770 uses OS2006, I'm a bit confused, does 4.1 do OS2006 or am I better off using 4.1? | 14:20 |
| brphelps | sorry 2.2? | 14:20 |
| brphelps | not 4.1 | 14:20 |
| RST38h | you are better off using 2.2 | 14:20 |
| * RST38h is checking whether the latest sdk even provides an os2006 rootstrap | 14:21 | |
| brphelps | Ok, RST38h thanks | 14:21 |
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| RST38h | yes, Nokia says use 2.2 | 14:23 |
| brphelps | So if I use 0.1 vmware image on http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ I'll be ok? | 14:25 |
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| brphelps | Its the only one with Bora and Gregale | 14:26 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, how do i change the position of applications in the appplication menu? | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | control panel -> panels -> organize | 15:13 |
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| guysoft42 | mgedmin, thanks :-) | 15:29 |
| guysoft42 | btw, i carn't seem to get a lock on the GPS ( i tried standing out side , no luck) . what could be the problem? | 15:29 |
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| woglinde | hi | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | guysoft42: n810 gps isn't exactly known to be that fancy | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: people are still trying to trace down the issue | 15:39 |
| woglinde | strike I solved the problem I am working the whole week on | 15:40 |
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| woglinde | hm what do you think which license is the /usr/share/X11/xkb directory? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | good question really.. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's on repository.maemo.org/pool, probably openish | 15:49 |
| woglinde | stskeeps the files beside the files from nokia are mit | 15:49 |
| woglinde | because xserver is mit | 15:50 |
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| woglinde | hm probably they are mit too | 15:50 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, still dealing with stupid things | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:19 |
| johnx | some of the problems I *am* making for myself though :) | 16:19 |
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| woglinde | he johnx | 16:23 |
| johnx | hi woglinde | 16:23 |
| woglinde | johnx I got it work | 16:23 |
| woglinde | yeah | 16:23 |
| johnx | really? so does that mean an easy to setup nx client? | 16:24 |
| woglinde | copied the whole xkb dir to the server and put a if in the nxnode.conf to change to that dir when using the nokia | 16:24 |
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| woglinde | args nxnode | 16:24 |
| woglinde | hehe and you must link keycode.dir to keymap.dir | 16:25 |
| * lcuk wanders around irc intoxicated | 16:25 | |
| * lcuk blames Stskeeps | 16:25 | |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 16:26 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde, hows tricks | 16:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, did Stskeeps drive you to drink? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | i think that might have happened with some deblet uses | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | users | 16:26 |
| woglinde | haha | 16:26 |
| lcuk | heh, not really the cruel git left me a beer in #liqbase | 16:27 |
| lcuk | and its inpolite not to drink it all | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having one myself irl :P | 16:28 |
| lcuk | ill have lots tonight | 16:28 |
| lcuk | reminderdate:1300,remindercount:600,POANextDueDate::POADate | 16:28 |
| lcuk | oh crap | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, so how hammered will you be later? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll make a shell script installer for this, - deblet installer is a bit too heavy for our PoC stuff | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: probably not too much. dad coming to visit me tomorrow | 16:30 |
| lcuk | and can we expect to see the next version of mamemmemmmo rereconstructulated tonight | 16:30 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 16:30 |
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| woglinde | *g* | 16:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds, good. I'll try and get a default package set to send to you | 16:31 |
| johnx | if hildon-desktop will cooperate | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: is dpkg-deb -x armelpack dir; dpkg-deb -e armelpackage.deb dir/DEBIAN; change architecture to arm from armel, dpkg-deb --build the easiest to rename arm? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | i don't expect a huge system, just one that boots sanely :P | 16:32 |
| johnx | boots into Xorg/hildon-desktop, right? | 16:32 |
| johnx | I haven't had hildon-desktop running yet O_o | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | well boots into whatever really, as long as it boots ;) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | as a foundation | 16:33 |
| johnx | boots into a white screen with no input possible? ok, done! :D | 16:33 |
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| johnx | yes, that's the quickest way to change architecture when you don't have a source package | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | .. or rescue menu with console | 16:33 |
| * Stskeeps ponders a little about the <script> parameter of debootstrap | 16:34 | |
| johnx | well, I'm going to give hildon-desktop a couple more tries before I give up for now, so wish me luck | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | how do you do pinning btw? | 16:36 |
| johnx | something of a dark art: http://pastebin.com/m6904e4d1 | 16:37 |
| johnx | be careful with changing the priority numbers. they actually mean something | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:38 |
| johnx | for some reason the Release file on trac.tspre.org doesn't seem to be processed, so I had to pin by origin instead of release | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | think we'll do the experiment of having a derived distribution that has a main base, and some replacement packages | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | so we have both repos | 16:39 |
| johnx | that's what I figured | 16:39 |
| johnx | hence the higher pin | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:40 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if he can make debootstrap do pinning | 16:40 | |
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| johnx | aaaahhh....well, hmm | 16:40 |
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| johnx | what needs to be pinned inside minbase? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | well we might run into that eventually | 16:41 |
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| johnx | lets cross that bridge when we come to it. that almost calls for switching to debian-installer | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | debian-installer uses debootstrap though? | 16:41 |
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| johnx | hmm, probably does I guess | 16:42 |
| johnx | nevermind me :) | 16:42 |
| * Stskeeps looks at cdebootstrap | 16:43 | |
| johnx | I guess we should just make our own unified repository at that point | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | true | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | could be an interesting way at some point though | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | deriative, but keeping up to date without huge effort | 16:44 |
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| johnx | I should add that the file I gave you with the pins should be /etc/apt/preferences | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | would an apt-get dist-upgrade force-upgrade it to the versions on the mirror then? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | (does apt track origins?) | 16:54 |
| johnx | hmm, this calls for me to RTFM :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | just a curious question, so :P | 16:55 |
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| johnx | man apt_preferences actually has a concise description of the logic | 16:57 |
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| johnx | but yes, priority is more important than version | 16:58 |
| johnx | ah, though it won't downgrade unless the priority is over 1000 | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | what should minbase include? i have apt-utils, wget, udev atm | 17:04 |
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| johnx | we want something that boots to a UI or is this going to boot to a shell? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, the base system itself, shouldn't include more than what we need to drag in from ubuntu to boot.. rest will be taken care of through apt | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | grr @ white screen of wiki on wiki.maemo.org | 17:06 |
| johnx | ah, just your debootstrap base? then you'll chroot in as part of the install to flesh it out? | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:06 |
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| johnx | try prefixing with https | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know, but it's irritating when refering people to it they get a white screen | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | 770 all over again | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
| johnx | ahaha | 17:07 |
| johnx | a cruel joke to early adopters | 17:07 |
| johnx | I actually got away without wget. I used it from outside the chroot | 17:07 |
| johnx | otherwise it looks fine | 17:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | what is difference between lxsession lxsession-lite | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | base="apt wget apt-utils udev bash dash module-init-tools findutils gzip hostname ifupdown net-tools procps sed tar coreutils grep mount bsdutils debianutils vim-tiny mawk mktemp sysvutils iputils-ping psmisc time login passwd" | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | think lxsession-lite is the actual one that people use | 17:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 17:13 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, if that's base, add net-tools, udhcpc | dhcp3-client | 17:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | i used to add ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb to rc.local. Is that good way to make it automatical? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: k | 17:15 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, seems fine | 17:15 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: don't think i can | in debootsrap | 17:16 |
| johnx | sorry, I meant for you to parse that | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:16 |
| johnx | whatever you feel is better | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | well udhcpc isn't in ubuntu is it? | 17:17 |
| johnx | it is | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 17:17 |
| johnx | universe though | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | let's see if --components=main,multiverse,restricted,universe work s:P | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i'll just do a silly tar.gz installer that requires deblet installer installed + bootmenu for now | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | and probably put it in svn | 17:26 |
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| johnx | ok, that seems completely reasonable for now | 17:27 |
| johnx | I'm still fighting with hildon-desktop. These startup scripts really, really need to be completely refactored | 17:27 |
| johnx | I'm kind of dreading it | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're going to convert some of them into upstart jobs | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | or the likes | 17:28 |
| johnx | adding stuff to my /etc/profile = not cool | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. there's several WTFs among those | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | noone said reconstructing maemo would be easy, and now we have proof :P | 17:31 |
| johnx | it all started out so smoothly though :P | 17:34 |
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| johnx | well, I got it to *run* and display the sidebar with messed up graphics | 17:36 |
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| johnx | I'm stealing debian's start-hildon script | 17:36 |
| johnx | later, using as much of their packaging as possible seems like the best idea | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, hmm, is it pointless if I modify zenity to show an icon in the task navigator? | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it primarily does modal dialog boxes | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://linuxuk.org/ubuntu_on_maemo <- god, i think they're so wrong.. | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, that's why I don't see the point. The dialog boxes can't get "lost" right (been a long time since I used deblet installer :)) ? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | afaik yeah | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | "press release delayed fremantle sdk" | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I agree with you. Although it would be easy to get some small apps installed. | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: But really don't want a full desktop on my tablet ;) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, ofcourse a ubuntu port is wrong but a full ubuntu desktop does -not make sense- on tablets | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | it will reduce n900 to a tiny desktop with 4 hours of battery | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | and judging from the nokia people's jaikus, i doubt this was expected from nokia's side | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| lardman | where's that info from? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Heh, yeah.. | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | All people complain about in G1 and IPhone is basically battery life. | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | Well, we have that ;) | 17:46 |
| johnx | though after almost 2 years mine is really going south :/ | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | i can't see how the hell they expect ubuntu mobile to be viable power saving | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It sucks on my laptop, so I can't imagine it on my tablet. | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: The number of wakeups of some of the desktop applications will really kill battery life. | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | and i must admit, after playing with optimizing deblet power usage, nokia -gets-it, regarding power saving | 17:48 |
| johnx | yeah, I always wondered where all the man-hours there went until I read some of the changelogs | 17:49 |
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| johnx | aside: is there a kernel that can be used with powertop? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | that's what qgil meant by "let's see how mobile this Jackalope's arm will be" | 17:50 |
| johnx | ahaha | 17:50 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, I really think that it makes more sense on netbooks. | 17:50 |
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| johnx | or something that isn't "always on" | 17:51 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, powertop kernels only work if the wifi is switched off :/ | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | But it is really amazing to see that people think that compiling a distro for arm makes it a mobile distro ;) | 17:52 |
| johnx | I must say I'm really excited about the new kernel and open wifi :) | 17:52 |
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| qwerty12 | ~bitchslap cdbs | 17:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hehe, that always makes me laugh. | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | And the conclusions Jamie is drawing out of this are really funny. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | well some of the things might actually happen (debian/ubuntu base), but some of them are about as conspiracy-like as some of my thoughts until i started seeing other indications | 17:58 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well even now Maemo is not really Debian based. | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it kinda stems from history really how it has developed | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: So changing the whole OS to run on Ubuntu before mid 2009.. Sure.. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | for fremantle maybe not but for harmattan, maybe | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It uses debian packages, but ... | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | Realistically, how many packages would you really use from Debian on a consumer grade tablet. | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | It is all lower layer stuff, not a lot end-user. | 18:01 |
| johnx | it makes getting packages on it easier | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, if we see it from the POV of hildonizing apps, libraries are the kicker | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody confirm whether Kate actually provided the fi_FI translation? | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | not having to deal with all the maemo weirdnesses is a big plus too | 18:02 |
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| johnx | though really, most of the stuff on stage in trunk is fairly in line with recent debian and ubuntu package naming, | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: My guess is that a lot of hildonization issues go away with QT :) | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i am not saying i want a full ubuntu desktop though | 18:03 |
| johnx | and most of it just builds without problems | 18:03 |
| johnx | X-Fade, only for apps written in QT... | 18:03 |
| lardman | debian builds seem to hook in loads of extraneous crap | 18:03 |
| lardman | as deps | 18:03 |
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| johnx | lardman, yes, and those are easy to tweak | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Sure, but at least those apps look more decent by default. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: debian doing "install all recommended" doesn't help either | 18:04 |
| hahlobit | GeneralAntilles: whois Kate? kde editor? | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia person, not important. | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | hahlobit: Kate is a more awesome hacker than all of us here together ;) | 18:04 |
| hahlobit | X-Fade: you mean katix kate? | 18:05 |
| lardman | yep | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | hahlobit: Yep | 18:05 |
| hahlobit | ok | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | So any people from Norway, Sweden or Portugal here? | 18:06 |
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| johnx | and hildon-desktop lives! | 18:09 |
| lardman | X-Fade: you mean you don't?! | 18:10 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: speak those that is :) | 18:10 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: I guess I can google it, but that might not be the best solution. | 18:10 |
| johnx | maybe lives is a little strong, undead might be more appropriate | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woo! scrshot? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | undead is okay | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 18:11 |
| johnx | heh...you won't like it :) | 18:11 |
| lardman | X-Fade: a reply to the General's first post highlighting the needed countries? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Don't want to have situations lie this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3332019/Out-of-office-reply-appears-on-street-sign.html | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: meh, i like any progress | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | s/lie/like/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: lardman: Don't want to have situations like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3332019/Out-of-office-reply-appears-on-street-sign.html | 18:11 |
| lardman | yeah, that's great :D | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: brik up for a quick .no translation? | 18:12 |
| lardman | but then who cares, only Welsh hey? ;) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:12 |
| * lardman hopes his best man's wife doesn't read that.... | 18:12 | |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I can really understand how things like this happen. | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: 57mb flash image without any sort of docpurge of base system btw | 18:12 |
| johnx | oh, translation. the stories I could tell :) | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | Same thing ;) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | you're an english teacher, johnx, right? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you must see horrendous examples | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | "Translate server error" | 18:14 |
| johnx | I also see the process, which is sometimes more terrifying | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | "go to babelfish"? | 18:14 |
| lardman | some of those translations are pretty shocking | 18:15 |
| johnx | boss to slave^Wworker: "I heard you know english. translate this important business document" slave: "oh shits, better ask my english tutor" | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | anyone know perl and feel like patching dpkg-divert so that when docpurge is in place, /usr/share/man and such diversions are out of line? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, just ignore the attempt) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and print ** Not diverting man page because of docpurge, or something silly :P | 18:17 |
| lardman | cu chaps later | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | which leads me to the zen question of today. can dpkg-divert divert itself? :P | 18:18 |
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| johnx | this is on a zaurus. for some reason it has problems with sapwood: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/desktopxwd.png | 18:18 |
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| johnx | I suspect some lower level x11 problem though :/ | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | is m-r though? | 18:19 |
| johnx | yes, m-r | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | hey, progress | 18:19 |
| johnx | I'll add the "start-hildon" script to hildon-desktop, rebuild and upload | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:20 |
| johnx | also a dependency fix | 18:20 |
| johnx | locales will be non-working except for en_UK.UTF-8 | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | you mean en_GB? | 18:20 |
| johnx | yeah, oops :) | 18:20 |
| johnx | thought that looked weird | 18:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i accidentally compiled some lxde packages succesfully | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | first try? | 18:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | not my first compilation, but first that might work | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:23 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 18:23 |
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| * GeneralAntilles feels compelled to address qgil's hardware confidentiality comment and the scores of old, and perfectly valid OS2008 bugs that were simply WONTFIXed because of Nokia's negligence. | 18:26 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: this in the ITT thread about feature trackers? | 18:29 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade : Are you there? | 18:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | mouse in Xorg seems to stay pressed even if i release... | 18:31 |
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| Meiz_n810 | when i tried gnome, menu open with single click, but when i try to click next menu item the menu just closes... So i had to click and hold to get the menu stay open | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | im not sure if that's usual part of gnome interaction or not | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hmm, doesn't powerlaunch provide MCE, alarmd and some others? | 18:36 |
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| johnx | I know nothing about powerlaunch, sorry | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah. | 18:37 |
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| * Stskeeps notes people are confused by xephyr, calling it an emulator | 18:38 | |
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| johnx | a lot of people are confused about programming their VCRs too | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 18:40 |
| johnx | really the more general statement to be made here is "A lot of people are confused." | 18:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | F*ckin Segmentation Fault | 18:41 |
| dougt | <blink> 12:00 </blink> | 18:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, at the risk of sounding like a cunt, those people are the people who don't know shit anyway | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | But qwerty12 knows shit | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | he knows shit good. :P | 18:43 |
| Myrtti | mmm chocolate pudding | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: can you make tslib provide: xserver-xorg-input-2? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it will save some space | 18:55 |
| johnx | ok, sure | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | we dont really need wacom support in the tablet so.. :P | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | atleast by default | 19:05 |
| johnx | or synaptics | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | xserver-xorg-input-kbd though? | 19:07 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: what is it, and how much will she be earning? \o/ | 19:07 |
| johnx | I think we need it | 19:07 |
| w00t_ | PM btw for my lovely adventures | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t_: zip null and it's 10 words | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | I'd love a touchpad for tablet | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | or a trackball | 19:07 |
| w00t_ | drop it in PM and i'll get her to take a look | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:07 |
| johnx | changed, rebuilding, will upload then off to sleep. I'll let hildon-desktop run overnight :/ | 19:08 |
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| GNUton | hi | 19:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 19:09 |
| GNUton | Hey Khertan_n810 | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | week finish ! | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: k | 19:10 |
| * Khertan_n810 will migrate his website to a blog in few time | 19:11 | |
| GNUton | Khertan_n810:Wordpress? | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope last time i used wordpress i was hacked | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | dotclear | 19:12 |
| XTL | With an axe? | 19:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | my tests : http://khertan.net/dotclear | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Sorry, I didn't mean to do so much damage | 19:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | xtl : hacked not slashed | 19:13 |
| XTL | Who'd use an axe for slashing? | 19:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 ? | 19:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, I'm joking :P | 19:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | I'm trying to see if I can figure out a dirty way of getting lockable desktop applets | 19:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do you think of it ? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: recompile hildon desktop maybe | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | from trunk | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNUton, did Kate actually end up providing the fi_FI translations? I'm trying to figure out attribution for all of them, and the IP came from Beijing, so I wasn't sure. | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, I actually very much liked it. Looks good :) | 19:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 a easy way is to make the applet full screen and transparent | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Well, I'm looking at hildon desktop that is with diablo. Don't know if I want to risk a trunk build :/ | 19:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, Doesn't work well when you have lots of applets :P | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you of all people not wanting to risk something.. ;) | 19:16 |
| GNUton | GeneralAntilles: Kate is here in Finland. | 19:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> yep | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I effed up hildon desktop last time when I recompiled the rss reader applet ffs. And I didn't have ssh then... | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | GNUton, so I assumed, which is why I wasn't sure. | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder why provided the fi_FI translation. . . . | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/why/who/ | 19:17 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Wonder who provided the fi_FI translation. . . . | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, This is just a guess, but I think it's from someone who speaks Finnish :P | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, got a name? :P | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Hmm, I'll have to come back to you on that one :P | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: ta | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/ is the same as the released diablo one anyway :/ | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone have try my new homeapplet ? | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do you think of it ? | 19:22 |
| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: I know that it wasn't me, so you have 5.6*10^6-1 options left ;) | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: and ofcourse ubuntu doesn't do the -2 trick. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | %"% | 19:23 |
| johnx | ... | 19:24 |
| * Stskeeps ponders wwhat causes it | 19:24 | |
| johnx | install -tslib explicitly *first* | 19:24 |
| johnx | then install other stuff. I think it worked here | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, it'd probably be easier to just get somebody I can actually identify to re-translate. | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i officially hate apt | 19:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, GNUton, lardman|gone, Jaffa, RST38h, andre__, are you good with GPLv2 for your translations? | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: er. public domain | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | or BSD licensed (non-GPL conflicting one) | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | but if it gets too much trouble, sure, gplv2 | 19:27 |
| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: do you need to know the author? Translations would be the same anyway | 19:28 |
| johnx | well, public domain is the same as letting someone else put it under the gplv2 :) | 19:28 |
| johnx | and yes, sometimes I hate apt as well. Then I remember that there's not anything *better* out there | 19:29 |
| mikkov_ | I'm not sure if you can even claim copyright of couple of simple tranlations | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, mvo recommended GPLv2. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, yes you can, and yes the attribution does matter. | 19:29 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, sure | 19:29 |
| woglinde | hi GeneralAntilles | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: if i change around tslib and omap, it wants to load all of the x servers but not the input devices.. | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | apt really needs a severe severe beating | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, woglinde. | 19:31 |
| johnx | huh...I swear I have both installed and almost nothing else | 19:31 |
| mikkov_ | you can't claim copyright for something that is too simple or obvious | 19:31 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps????? | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, you can claim copyright on translations. | 19:31 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps when the package depends suckz | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me on this one. :) | 19:31 |
| woglinde | apt cant do it other way | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but translations of words? :P | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Translations are translations. | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to just attribute them and avoid issues later. | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I don't doubt what you are saying but it sounds a little pointless to claim copyright on translations imho | 19:32 |
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| andre__ | Translations DO have copyrights. | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, and I very much doubt any of the translators will actually care | 19:32 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, four packages: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-tslib xserver-xorg-video-omapfb | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:33 |
| johnx | I don't remember doing anything special to get them installed without anything else | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | but better to spent a short while to cover your bases than having one person object after the strings have been shipped with the next SSU. | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:33 |
| johnx | but *don't* install xserver-xorg first | 19:33 |
| mikkov_ | yes, but if translation of one word necessarily doesn't meet mininal standards of originality | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | hildon-desktop's debian/rules: "# Use soft-float and thumb mode if it enabled.".eww. Time to change that... | 19:34 |
| mikkov_ | "In Australia and the United Kingdom it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, either way, getting the attributions doesn't hurt anybody and certainly stands to reduce pain in the long run. | 19:35 |
| andre__ | that's why some of the strings I translated were two words. :-P | 19:35 |
| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: you are right. And translation of set of words is copyrighted anyway ;) | 19:35 |
| johnx | qwerty12, did you the benchmark results about mixing thumb and vfp code? | 19:36 |
| woglinde | johny there are 2 or 3 meta packages which pulls in all xserver packages | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, nope :). I have a habit though of compiling big programs with vfp :/ | 19:37 |
| woglinde | thumb needs some care | 19:37 |
| woglinde | with binutils 2.19 some thinks are broken | 19:37 |
| johnx | qwerty12, if you don't recompile the libs you'll probably get a net performance loss | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/otkrI439.html | 19:38 |
| johnx | qwerty12, http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks johnx, reading... | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | (and i guess for woglinde too.) | 19:38 |
| johnx | what about individually? | 19:38 |
| johnx | though aptitude is really the right job for this, not apt-get | 19:39 |
| woglinde | hahah | 19:39 |
| woglinde | I am using dselect | 19:39 |
| woglinde | stskeep hm | 19:40 |
| johnx | gah! | 19:40 |
| woglinde | xserver-xorg-input-all is the problem | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/FKpphp95.html | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | (individually) | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it might work better if it was a metapackage instead of a large string of packages | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | but it's stupid it doesn't include command line parameters in the dependancy graph.. | 19:41 |
| johnx | maybe I downloaded, did dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install? wonder if that makes a difference... | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 19:42 |
| * Stskeeps tries with metapackage | 19:42 | |
| johnx | all I know is I have just those four packages and apt isn't complaining about missing deps | 19:42 |
| johnx | I think there's an option to turn off the "install recommended" bit | 19:43 |
| johnx | that would be highly suggested | 19:43 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps what is the goal only the four packages? | 19:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 19:43 |
| woglinde | hi khertan | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | so'eone know how to remove border between two gtk treeview column | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:44 |
| woglinde | Khertan_n810 does the gtk-doc says nothing? | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi woglinde | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope i don t see anything about that | 19:44 |
| johnx | hildon-desktop building, I'm off to bed | 19:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe i m wrong | 19:45 |
| johnx | good luck Stskeeps | 19:45 |
| woglinde | nite johnx | 19:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | google don t say anymore | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe wrong search parameters | 19:46 |
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| woglinde | Khertan_n810 sorry I can not cope with gtk so much | 19:47 |
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| salty | hello all | 19:48 |
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| rdorsch | Hello, I have on my N800 an "$ ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper" and get a "-sh: ldd: not found". Any ideas what is going wrong? | 19:49 |
| rdorsch | which ldd give /usr/bin/ldd | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | [1|root@Nokia-N800-36-5|~]dpkg -S `which ldd` | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | libc6: /usr/bin/ldd | 19:49 |
| salty | i wonder if someone can point me in the right direction for instructions to compiling outside source code for the N800 with maemo OS2008 using scratchbox2 with diablo-4.1-armel rootstrap | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: okay, it fails as a metapackage as well. lovely | 19:51 |
| rdorsch | qwerty12: I have the same output of dpkg -S here | 19:51 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps again what you want achieve? | 19:51 |
| rdorsch | Any idea what could ldd stop form working? I am wondering if a locale setting could be an issue. | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | rdorsch, ah, it's a script. Try "busybox sh /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper" | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | rdorsch, you don't have bash installed which means no ldd (1: #!/bin/bash) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: i have two packages. one is an x server, another is an input method. it is supposed to satisify the xorg-input-2 and such provides fromx server-xorg | 19:52 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps hm okay | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | rdorsch, busybox's sh is too shit for ldd, install bash or something | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | and it can't be true apt changes behaviour based on the order of command line packages.. | 19:53 |
| woglinde | but the apt-get puts the meta packages in | 19:54 |
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| rdorsch | qwerty12: thanks, installing bash fixed the problem. | 19:58 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 19:58 |
| woglinde | moo rst | 19:58 |
| Mousey | apt-get moo | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get grenade and wait around a bit | 20:01 |
| Mousey | you for got --pin or --no-pin | 20:01 |
| Mousey | heheh, apt-pin | 20:01 |
| * lcuk has a small panic on | 20:03 | |
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| woglinde | lcuk why? | 20:03 |
| RST38h | THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING! | 20:04 |
| lcuk | well we know that | 20:04 |
| RST38h | --=* WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! *=-- | 20:04 |
| * Stskeeps passes lcuk more beer | 20:04 | |
| lcuk | !!! | 20:04 |
| lcuk | more - id forgotten about the first i drunk earlier - then just drove home | 20:05 |
| * Jaffa thinks he's just fixed his millionth character encoding issue of the week. And this one used to work on Monday. | 20:05 | |
| lcuk | damn you stskeeps | 20:05 |
| lcuk | ouch jaffa, i had regression bugs in my software - between a working function this morning and one this afternoon | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | Here, have a panic now | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection not stable | 20:06 |
| lcuk | (incidentally, the beer was virtual irc beer - for thos thinking im that silly) | 20:06 |
| * lcuk is feelin a bit calmer | 20:06 | |
| Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk | 20:06 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly why his software updater starts blinking all of a sudden | 20:06 | |
| lcuk | hiya khertan | 20:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: That is why one should always use cp1252 =) | 20:06 |
| RST38h | Ok, cp1251 if you need cyrillics. | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | woglinde: do u have an answer about gtk treeview ? | 20:07 |
| woglinde | khertan sorry no | 20:07 |
| woglinde | I am not a really gtk guy | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | gtk.treeviewcolumn.set_spacing isn t the answer | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i just ask in case as i was disconnected | 20:07 |
| RST38h | what's the problem with treeview? | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | i have bg color between column | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | i have bg color set | 20:08 |
| RST38h | ok, a moment | 20:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rahhh ! orange sucks ! | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | back again | 20:10 |
| lcuk | heh Khertan_n810 | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | gtk_tree_view_set_vadjustment | 20:10 |
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| Khertan_n810 | grrrr | 20:11 |
| RST38h | gtk_tree_view_set_vadjustment | 20:12 |
| * Khertan_n810 will make a murder ! | 20:12 | |
| Khertan_n810 | really ? | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Khertan: do use the killdozer | 20:12 |
| lcuk | killdozer, is that a decepticon? | 20:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: i ll try ... thx | 20:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer | 20:14 |
| RST38h | also gtk_tree_view_set_fixed_height_mode | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve already fixed heigh :) | 20:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | all this thing just to do rubber banding due to stupid maemo theme | 20:16 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and some other color background in some case | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum | 20:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | this doesn t resolv my problem | 20:20 |
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| RST38h | Still different color between the rows? | 20:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | nor vadjustment, nor hadjusment | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | not between the ... between the columns | 20:21 |
| RST38h | oh, ok | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll post a screenshot so you can see | 20:21 |
| RST38h | this is different then | 20:21 |
| RST38h | yes please | 20:21 |
| RST38h | btw, should I install roxterm? How is it better than the osso xterm? | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, it isn't really tbh | 20:23 |
| rdorsch | Is anybody using maemo-mapper_2.5-os2008 on diablo (not 2.4.1 or 2.5.1) ? | 20:24 |
| rdorsch | If yes, does it work? If yes, can you send me your output of "ldd /usr/bin/maemo-mapper"? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | RST38h, holy ship! that killdozer is mental | 20:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | RST38H:http://khertan.net/dotclear/index.php?pages/mTasks | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | sorry upload was a bit slow | 20:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, it is a nice story | 20:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Got the following too | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Khertan: How about http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/libgtk2.0/GtkTreeView.html#gtk-tree-view-set-grid-lines ? | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Khertan: this is the main site URL not an image | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is worse as ... line is not draw for CellRendererToggle | 20:27 |
| RST38h | ok | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | look at the page mtasks | 20:27 |
| RST38h | next idea... | 20:27 |
| RST38h | yea I see it | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | (i ve found how to set the bg color of the Toggle but i ve also this blank separator) | 20:28 |
| RST38h | It MAY be a separator | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Are you sure it is not a separator? | 20:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... i don t create one | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | so i don t think it s | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think the first time it was a border size | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | but there is any for TreeViewColumn | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | doesn t seems to be spacing too | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | as set_spacing(0) do not remove it | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | the two first column is fixed width but not the third | 20:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | grid_line is set to False | 20:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | height is fixed too | 20:31 |
| RST38h | How about http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/libgtk2.0/GtkTreeViewColumn.html#gtk-tree-view-column-set-spacing ? | 20:32 |
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| Khertgan_again | ... | 20:34 |
| Khertgan_again | already try | 20:34 |
| Khertgan_again | i ve fixed it to 0 on each column | 20:34 |
| Khertgan_again | other idea ? | 20:34 |
| Khertgan_again | as i don t have anymore | 20:34 |
| * RST38h is at loss | 20:34 | |
| RST38h | Maybe this is how it SHOULD be? Have you checked other GTK+ apps? | 20:35 |
| Khertgan_again | maybe modify silently gtkrc theme at install | 20:35 |
| rdorsch | Does anybody know why the install file on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper/ still points to chinnok? Is that intended? | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | I think I found it. | 20:36 |
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| Khertgan_again | RST38h: i don t think as the size of the space is different between col 1-2 and col 2-3 | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Khertan: I found it | 20:36 |
| Khertgan_again | ? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | The "horizontal-separator" style property | 20:36 |
| RST38h | on the GtkTreeView | 20:36 |
| * Khertgan_again want to believe | 20:36 | |
| Khertgan_again | hum | 20:40 |
| Khertgan_again | how do u set it ? | 20:40 |
| Khertgan_again | it s read only | 20:40 |
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| Khertgan_again | maybe i should stop coding ... i m tired and don t do anything good | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's friday, go for the beer | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | when you're done with the hungover, you're good to go again | 20:46 |
| Khertgan_again | why does this property is read only in python and read and write in gtkmm | 20:48 |
| Khertgan_again | grrr | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, if i had a drink everytime you mentioned beer today i would be very drunk. planning a party tonight or something? | 20:49 |
| Khertgan_again | hum ... i ll stop coding ... this thing ll make me bad ... | 20:51 |
| Khertgan_again | thx for help ! | 20:51 |
| Khertgan_again | bye | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | heh | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: nah, relaxing evening | 21:02 |
| zs | how can i detect keyboard events? I want to do something when keyboard button A is pressed on N810 | 21:03 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: >_> | 21:06 |
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| rm_you | i'm double-scheduled for pretty much every hour of my day for the next week. >_< periodically triple-scheduled | 21:07 |
| rm_you | this sucks so hard | 21:07 |
| rm_you | I can't wait till winter break <_< | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Poor rm_you | 21:08 |
| rm_you | this is the one major reason that i'd rather be working for a living vs. being a student | 21:08 |
| rm_you | at your job, you can GO HOME | 21:08 |
| rm_you | at school, they can make you work 36 hours a day if they feel like it | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you see adv-power? | 21:09 |
| rm_you | no | 21:09 |
| rm_you | is it neat? | 21:09 |
| RST38h | rm_me | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's off to a good start. | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Python right now, but he wants to switch to C. | 21:10 |
| RST38h | rm_you: it will end sooner or later | 21:10 |
| RST38h | and the worst thing is, YOU WILL MISS IT | 21:10 |
| rm_you | <_< | 21:10 |
| rm_you | probably | 21:10 |
| rm_you | but at least i'll have actual free time | 21:10 |
| rm_you | like... when i go home, even if it isn't until 8pm or so, i'll BE ABLE TO DO THINGS without worrying about what I have to turn in for the morning | 21:11 |
| rm_you | i'll be sad about losing the community tho :( | 21:11 |
| rm_you | though I don't get to do much with people these days anyway | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | free time? no, not really | 21:11 |
| rm_you | summers off is nice | 21:11 |
| rm_you | do you do work at home? :/ | 21:12 |
| RST38h | + you will be brainfucked by the management daily | 21:12 |
| * RST38h works any moment he isn't babysitting | 21:12 | |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I wish I could have done backlight in python :P i would have known what the hell i was doing | 21:12 |
| rm_you | better in C tho, in the long run | 21:12 |
| rm_you | and hey, I learned some C :P | 21:12 |
| rm_you | aww, we aren't on the top anymore :() | 21:14 |
| rm_you | :( | 21:14 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you have been replaced | 21:14 |
| rm_you | truth | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | heh how u doin | 21:15 |
| rm_you | that happens when you have to essentially leave the community for months at a time <_< | 21:15 |
| rm_you | lcuk: my life is hell right now :) | 21:15 |
| rm_you | thanks for asking | 21:15 |
| rm_you | yourself? | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, make an update to bklight to reclaim the number one spot :P | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | adv-backlight-cpu-power-rotation-lock | 21:16 |
| rm_you | we have an update to push | 21:16 |
| rm_you | actually | 21:16 |
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| rm_you | i just haven't >_> | 21:16 |
| rm_you | a deblet compatibility fix | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, great, when will I see it in liqbase? :P | 21:16 |
| rm_you | and something jott did, i forget what exactly | 21:16 |
| lcuk | i dropped it in last week ;) | 21:16 |
| rm_you | where is adv-power? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you never actually saw my brightness applet did you | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT | 21:17 |
| rm_you | i want to see it :P | 21:17 |
| rm_you | lcuk: no >_> | 21:17 |
| lcuk | we have the advanced power | 21:17 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:17 |
| rm_you | i know | 21:17 |
| rm_you | like, literally, link? | 21:17 |
| woglinde | time for a beer | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png | 21:17 |
| rm_you | roflcopter | 21:17 |
| rm_you | so | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 | 21:18 |
| rm_you | how could that possibly work <_< | 21:18 |
| lcuk | you click on it and the brightness changes.. | 21:18 |
| rm_you | it's relative! >_< | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, 0_o | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, johnx decided liqbase now == emacs. ;) | 21:18 |
| lcuk | surprisingly | 21:18 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:18 |
| rm_you | johnx == correct | 21:18 |
| rm_you | fennec alpha 1? | 21:19 |
| rm_you | weren't we already all trying it? | 21:19 |
| rm_you | was it in pre-alpha? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | :) actually GeneralAntilles its not now - i culled a lot of stuff | 21:19 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081110_201702.gary.scr.png | 21:19 |
| * lcuk removed crufty test and has started a clean build :) | 21:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, yeah, it just hit a real alpho | 21:20 |
| rm_you | hrm | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/alpho/alpha/ | 21:20 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: rm_you, yeah, it just hit a real alpha | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still slow, though. | 21:20 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: link to adv-power? | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | scrollback | 21:20 |
| rm_you | ah | 21:20 |
| rm_you | missed it | 21:20 |
| lcuk | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905 it started off bein called pybattery | 21:20 |
| rm_you | ah | 21:20 |
| lcuk | but someone *cough* gen *cough* thought adv-power would be better | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I convinced him that latching on to our existing brand recognition would be good for everybody. | 21:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:21 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you hadnt seen the brightness thingy? | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, not 'till now | 21:23 |
| rm_you | I agree | 21:23 |
| rm_you | err | 21:23 |
| rm_you | I agree with GeneralAntilles | 21:23 |
| RST38h | rm_you: port pybattery to c! | 21:23 |
| rm_you | getting together a suite of open source alternative utilities is a good idea | 21:23 |
| rm_you | and a unifying name is good | 21:24 |
| rm_you | blegh | 21:24 |
| rm_you | i hate C | 21:24 |
| RST38h | ok, C++ | 21:24 |
| rm_you | and i have negative amounts of time | 21:24 |
| rm_you | like i said, already double-booked | 21:24 |
| RST38h | poor rm_you... | 21:24 |
| rm_you | i'm talking to you guys instead of eating lunch <_< | 21:24 |
| lcuk | rm_you, ahhhh if time is your problem, write your GUI apps in assembler, they will run faster than naything | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Lunch is overrated | 21:24 |
| rm_you | lol lcuk | 21:24 |
| RST38h | What are you majoring in anyway? | 21:24 |
| rm_you | Computer Science | 21:24 |
| lcuk | timewasting | 21:24 |
| rm_you | i finished with the major in 2.5 years | 21:25 |
| * Stskeeps thinks there's actually quite a neat bunch of open source replacements | 21:25 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: Still going through general electives then? | 21:25 |
| rm_you | now i have a bunch of liberal arts shit to take care of, yes | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | battery applet, MCE (powerlaunch), battery applet.. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | oh, that stuff sucks | 21:25 |
| rm_you | none of which i give a &$@* about | 21:25 |
| rm_you | and all of which require a ridiculous amount of work | 21:25 |
| RST38h | rm_you: stick to history classes. NEVER take women studies. | 21:25 |
| rm_you | and not just like... generic whenever work | 21:25 |
| rm_you | like | 21:25 |
| rm_you | they require me to BE places | 21:25 |
| rm_you | for specific amounts of hours | 21:26 |
| RST38h | rm_you: what kind of class is that? | 21:26 |
| woglinde | RST38h he in women studies are women | 21:26 |
| rm_you | mostly drama stuff | 21:26 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Well, you have made a wrong choice then. | 21:26 |
| rm_you | production techniques (set building, essentially) | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | what would be nice is to have a profile based system which knows what to do if you in combinations of Charging/Locked/online etc | 21:26 |
| rm_you | requires me to be in the studio for a certain amount of hours | 21:26 |
| rm_you | and i'm required to work backstage on the theater productions | 21:26 |
| rm_you | so | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Harmattan | 21:27 |
| rm_you | that's like... 5 hours a day | 21:27 |
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| rm_you | during my nights | 21:27 |
| rm_you | 6pm-11pm | 21:27 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles, harmattan is however many years away | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like year | 21:27 |
| rm_you | and i have work | 21:27 |
| lcuk | there is motivation now for these sorts of things | 21:27 |
| rm_you | during the same hours i have to be: A) helping work on the play, B) working in the scene shop | 21:28 |
| lcuk | whether rm_you gets off his arse and does it is another matter :P | 21:28 |
| rm_you | >_> | 21:28 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:28 |
| rm_you | I have to leave in like... soon, but | 21:28 |
| rm_you | yeah.... hopefully i'll have like | 21:28 |
| * lcuk raises a glass | 21:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Fuckin' lazy bastard. | 21:28 |
| rm_you | 1-2 days free over thanksgiving break | 21:28 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:28 |
| rm_you | and then winter break should give me a week or two | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles the more i see rm_yous schedule the more i think harmattan wait isnt so long | 21:29 |
| rm_you | actually, going to germany for the summit kind of didn't help | 21:29 |
| rm_you | cause i started off a week behind in all my classes | 21:29 |
| lcuk | but it was worth it to fall asleep in the c-base time machine toilets | 21:29 |
| rm_you | definitely worth it tho :P | 21:29 |
| rm_you | rofl | 21:30 |
| rm_you | yes | 21:30 |
| rm_you | and then black out at a mcdonalds :P | 21:30 |
| rm_you | actually what order were those things in | 21:30 |
| rm_you | i really don't actually recall much of that :P | 21:30 |
| lcuk | we woke you to go i think | 21:30 |
| RST38h | rm_you: here is a little hint | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 21:30 |
| rm_you | all i remember is: C-Base... McDonalds ... home somehow | 21:30 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:31 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Never take libart classes that require you to do stuff, especially in groups | 21:31 |
| rm_you | yeah | 21:31 |
| rm_you | like | 21:31 |
| rm_you | i would just say fuck it, and not even go to some of that stuff | 21:31 |
| RST38h | rm_you: pure disaster, especially considering that americans don't work well in random groups | 21:31 |
| rm_you | except like... they play would seriously FAIL if i skipped | 21:31 |
| rm_you | cause i'm responsible for a bunch of the scene change stuff | 21:31 |
| RST38h | rm_you: take US history - it isn't very elaborate, although you will have to read a lot | 21:31 |
| rm_you | blegh | 21:32 |
| rm_you | history classes make me want to stab myself in the eyes and ears with silverware | 21:32 |
| RST38h | rm_you: jewish studies are fine, especially if you get a few hasidic jews in the class | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: well, suffer but persevere: they give you better chance of success and they are less trouble | 21:32 |
| woglinde | so now is really time for a beer | 21:32 |
| rm_you | next semester: Game Design Seminar, German 2, Statistics, Peoples of Russia, possibly Beginning Digital Photography | 21:33 |
| RST38h | rm_you: you CAN take ancient English literature if you are good with languages. Do keep in mind that 90% of the class won't be able to understand what they read at least until Francis Bacon | 21:33 |
| rm_you | should be MUCH easier | 21:33 |
| RST38h | German - no | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | mmmmmm bacon | 21:33 |
| woglinde | rm_you nice you are learning german | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Statistics - I thought you should have taken that already? | 21:34 |
| rm_you | i specifically designed me schedule to have some slacker classes | 21:34 |
| rm_you | I did | 21:34 |
| rm_you | and withdrew | 21:34 |
| rm_you | >_> | 21:34 |
| rm_you | i'm not a math person | 21:34 |
| woglinde | with math you are a better coder | 21:34 |
| woglinde | trzst me | 21:34 |
| woglinde | uos trust | 21:35 |
| rm_you | well | 21:35 |
| RST38h | woglinde: We are not talking advancement here | 21:35 |
| woglinde | otherwise you never will understanding cryptpgraphics | 21:35 |
| RST38h | We are talking how to pass goddamn general electives without killing oneself | 21:35 |
| rm_you | i'm a better coder now than... well, this may be ego talking, or not, but... i THINK i'm a better coder than pretty much anyone else in the department | 21:35 |
| rm_you | and a lot of them know crazy math | 21:35 |
| RST38h | rm_you: It is OK to take environmental studies but make sure the class it tought by a real chemist or physicists | 21:35 |
| woglinde | rst as minor I toook social education haha | 21:35 |
| lcuk | you have something that they wont have | 21:35 |
| RST38h | woglinde: Bleah | 21:36 |
| * RST38h took Math as a minor | 21:36 | |
| lcuk | real world experience with dealing with requests and bugs from users | 21:36 |
| lcuk | adaptability | 21:36 |
| woglinde | rst 90% women | 21:36 |
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| woglinde | haha | 21:36 |
| woglinde | nice women | 21:36 |
| RST38h | wogline: yes, it is no better than women studies | 21:36 |
| rm_you | also, I do this for fun | 21:36 |
| RST38h | or dietology | 21:36 |
| rm_you | 95% of them don't code outside of classes | 21:36 |
| lcuk | i would only date a whole woman, 100% of nothing | 21:36 |
| * mgedmin still had no idea what 'women studies' are | 21:36 | |
| lcuk | 100% or nothing even | 21:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:36 |
| * mgedmin imagines a room full of adolescents studying a woman | 21:36 | |
| woglinde | mgedmin litrature | 21:37 |
| rm_you | i'm doing Drama as a minor | 21:37 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, whats wrong with that? | 21:37 |
| rm_you | because i'm insane, i think | 21:37 |
| * lcuk passed with flying colours | 21:37 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: imagine a room full of adolescent women studying male chauvinism | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:37 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: now, RUn FOR THE HILLS | 21:37 |
| woglinde | rst in the us this bad it is? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmm boobies | 21:37 |
| lcuk | who mentioned hills? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | woglinde: in THIS sense - yes | 21:37 |
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| woglinde | re meiz | 21:38 |
| RST38h | woglinde: But in general a university is a better place, you can always find people like yourself there | 21:38 |
| woglinde | rst in the u.s. this diffrent form europe | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: really? | 21:39 |
| woglinde | because most is taking part in the campus | 21:39 |
| Guysoft422 | i have xchat here | 21:39 |
| woglinde | here univeristy is rather like doing a job | 21:39 |
| woglinde | go there early and leave late | 21:39 |
| woglinde | or not going there at all | 21:40 |
| RST38h | woglinde: same in the US unless you are not studying | 21:40 |
| Guysoft422 | ah , worng channel :-s | 21:40 |
| RST38h | woglinde: but you can still find intelligent people there who can be reasoned with | 21:40 |
| rm_you | also, i run two student organizations <_< | 21:40 |
| woglinde | rm_you baalalahaa | 21:40 |
| rm_you | that doesn't help | 21:40 |
| lcuk | rm_you, take a class in knowing your limits | 21:41 |
| woglinde | what type of organizations? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | woglinde: once you leave the university, it is dog eats dog, and rather often both canines are rabid | 21:41 |
| rm_you | local chapter of the ACM | 21:41 |
| lcuk | it runs 9 times a week for 6 hours a session | 21:41 |
| rm_you | and... anime club :P | 21:41 |
| woglinde | hehe | 21:41 |
| woglinde | anime club woth women? | 21:41 |
| rm_you | actually, like 75% of our members are female | 21:41 |
| woglinde | this sounds good | 21:42 |
| * rm_you doesn't need to have taken a statistics class to figure that out! | 21:42 | |
| RST38h | rm_you: ACm or anime? | 21:42 |
| rm_you | Anime | 21:42 |
| rm_you | ACM is... | 21:42 |
| RST38h | hehe | 21:42 |
| rm_you | 90% male | 21:42 |
| rm_you | 95% | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | 99% | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 21:42 |
| rm_you | >_> | 21:42 |
| lcuk | 110% | 21:42 |
| rm_you | yeah ok... so we have ONE | 21:42 |
| rm_you | ONE female | 21:42 |
| RST38h | incredible | 21:42 |
| lcuk | and has she always been a woman | 21:42 |
| rm_you | and i dont think she'd show up if her boyfriend weren't an officer >_> | 21:43 |
| * RST38h actually had more females in the CS classes | 21:43 | |
| * GeneralAntilles finds the strange reactions to application lists bizarre. | 21:43 | |
| RST38h | Even got accused of sexual harassment once | 21:43 |
| rm_you | yeah, our CS department is 95% male | 21:43 |
| woglinde | CS? | 21:43 |
| rm_you | but our campus overall is like 60% female | 21:43 |
| lcuk | counter strike | 21:43 |
| rm_you | Computer Science | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Had to explain that by selectively harassing women only an instructor reduces the amount of people he can harass by 50% | 21:44 |
| woglinde | lcuk bah suckz | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Bad, BAD idea | 21:44 |
| woglinde | rst its past | 21:44 |
| woglinde | dont worry anymore | 21:44 |
| rm_you | RST38h: that is... lol | 21:44 |
| lcuk | ok rm_you, you have just extensively run over all the things you do on a monday mornin in uni, what about the rest fo the week | 21:45 |
| rm_you | lol? | 21:46 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | oh, neat, docpurge -is- actually gpl | 21:47 |
| RST38h | I am sure he is making make-believe coffins for the drama class the rest of the week =) | 21:47 |
| rm_you | that's my schedule for pretty much EVERY day | 21:47 |
| RST38h | For the cemetery scene, you know | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, come on, it's not exactly hard to make a clone :P | 21:47 |
| rm_you | there is a sort of cemetary scene <_< but you don't see anything :P | 21:47 |
| RST38h | ehhh | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | thats cos cemetaries are always in darkness | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i know, but i was just curious. in the big spreadsheet it says nokia closed | 21:48 |
| lcuk | its ALWAYS midnight in every cemetary | 21:48 |
| rm_you | oh, it's at like... 6pm | 21:49 |
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| rm_you | but the graves are actually slightly offstage | 21:49 |
| woglinde | hm whats cemetary, sorry for asking | 21:49 |
| rm_you | because otherwise we'd have to make a LOT of headstones | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: graveyard | 21:49 |
| rm_you | because every night he smashes four of them | 21:49 |
| woglinde | ah | 21:49 |
| woglinde | okay | 21:49 |
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| woglinde | thanks srs | 21:50 |
| woglinde | ups stskeep | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | sts, please | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:50 |
| rm_you | any johnx's about? | 21:50 |
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| * rm_you looks around for a spare johnx or two | 21:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | think he went to bed while his hildon-desktop compiles | 21:53 |
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| rm_you | hrm ok well | 21:55 |
| rm_you | ACK | 21:55 |
| rm_you | holy crap it's late | 21:55 |
| rm_you | i gotta run | 21:55 |
| rm_you | ttyl | 21:55 |
| * rm_you leaves for a week | 21:55 | |
| woglinde | bye rm_you | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | all right, time to update Sliderule | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, maemo-users, how we love you. | 21:58 |
| RST38h | more crazy people? | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another Mark Haury® thread. | 21:58 |
| RST38h | ah | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | not really crazy though, no fun | 22:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Give it time. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, does GPLv2 work for you for your translation? | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Yes, I do not care | 22:02 |
| RST38h | It is a dozen of words. | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool, thanks. ;) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | "FIRESTRIKE is a solid-state laser (think raygun), which weighs 400 pounds, has an Ethernet interface, and can be chained together with up to 7 other identical modules to create a 100 kw beam." | 22:03 |
| RST38h | [translation: you should start scanning the internet for these right now =)] | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | if i had a fenced garden, i would probably get one | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:04 |
| RST38h | need at least four - one for each corner | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and a manufactured diamond to focus and merge the beams without actually ending the universe | 22:05 |
| RST38h | and a real doomsday weapon to place into the central cave | 22:05 |
| lcuk | would you have a big red button (TM) to activate it? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | and if you did, who would you have to voice the countdown? | 22:06 |
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| RST38h | it is controllable over ethernet | 22:07 |
| lcuk | haxx0rs? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | so, once you know the right IP addresses... | 22:07 |
| lcuk | or do you have microsoft one care live to protect it | 22:07 |
| lcuk | oh, you havent actually got one? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | at least not yet... | 22:08 |
| lcuk | ahhh phoey | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh, armv6-vfp certainly makes a difference | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install isn't dog slow at loading dependancy graph | 22:16 |
| qwerty12h8r | Stskeeps, i built dpkg, apt-get & h-a-m for maemo with armv6-vfp, works good for me too :p | 22:17 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, which is which then - i gather the default compile mode is thumb and using emulated floating point math | 22:17 |
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| * Stskeeps waits for today's flash count | 22:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | aand the verdict is in. in 101 mb flash you can fit, amongst a armv6-vfp ubuntu, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/101mb.txt | 22:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | Pretty good | 22:23 |
| lcuk | sts, is that a valid desktop | 22:24 |
| woglinde | canonical and arm wants to build a special ubuntu version for arm powered netbooks | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: old news, and it will suck as much power as deblet on a tablet | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it will boot into console and it has a X server and can run X apps | 22:24 |
| lcuk | xv apps? | 22:24 |
| woglinde | Stskeeps pffffffffffffff | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | and full GTK, hildon, osso, etc libraries | 22:24 |
| lcuk | libxv1 | 22:25 |
| lcuk | ooooooh | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not sure how good the xv is in the version we use, but i guess so | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | i gotta get me a usb asap | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | heh, this will boot from a sd card | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | should actually try, hmm :P | 22:25 |
| qwerty12h8r | lcuk, still using bora? :P | 22:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, still have no usb | 22:26 |
| qwerty12h8r | wire up the serial port :P | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | .. you know you're a alternative OS hacker for the tablets when you keep long nails to be able to pop the battery easier.. :P | 22:27 |
| woglinde | hahahaaa | 22:27 |
| lcuk | n810 battery falls out | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, tap it on your palm. . . . | 22:28 |
| lcuk | you just pop the metal and hear a metal CLANG! THUD as the cover hits the stand followed by battery and then onto desk | 22:28 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:28 |
| qwerty12h8r | Stskeeps, i'm happy to say i used a knife long enough on the tablet battery to be able to use short fingernails | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys are nuts | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, just tap the damn thing on your palm once or twice | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | comes right out. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | i could barely get the 800 battery out, it was like the time i slept between 2 buxom ladies | 22:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | I cut and folded some battery to put around the N810 battery so that it wouldn't rattle inside... | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | hm, not on my n800 :P | 22:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | some paper* | 22:29 |
| lcuk | though i dont think the battery actually gasps "let me out i cant breathe" | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | hmm maybe i shouldnt use that analogy | 22:29 |
| qwerty12h8r | lcuk, you can feel what's happening in your dreams? | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | woo, it boots too. though i haven't seen that console font before.. | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm updating the m-r.tar.gz installer script | 22:31 |
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| Meiz_n810 | great :) | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. once my tablet has booted again | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | it requires deblet installer installed though | 22:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have it | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | and your fs mounted in /mnt/deblet, so | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:32 |
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| * Stskeeps is kinda amazed over the 101mb | 22:33 | |
| Stskeeps | i was afraid we were going to hit some real hardship once the hildon and gtk libs started coming on | 22:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | Now i am debootstrapping because of that fucking segmentation fault error. m-r.tar.gz is armv6-vfp? | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly we still lack a proper ui and features, but .. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: m-r.tar.gz is a debootstrap installer | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | which sets things up right | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | give me a couple of secs to update the | 22:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | tar.gz | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | updated | 22:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | read through the install_mr script to see what it does, atleast | 22:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | where is that tar.gz? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/m-r.tar.gz | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | (noted it on jaiku :P) | 22:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | thanks | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | do me a favour and see if rootfs is mounted rw or ro when it has booted | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't gUPNP supposed to be part of fremantle instead? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. why is it in diablo updates then? | 22:44 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 ain't complaining | 22:45 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, isn't some of the stuff being pushed to Diablo for early testing? | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain that was the plan with Tracker, anyway. | 22:51 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: your installer seems to work well | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | oh crap | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | wait | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | it isnt debootstrapping, is it? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | just think i gave you one that doesnt debootstrap :) | 22:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | i debootstrapped manually, so it just installs needed packages | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | but i looked at the installer file, and it should debootstrap | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | maybe it does not because i already have dont it | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | *done | 22:53 |
| shapr | Is anyone using a 32GB SDHC card yet? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: updated tar.gz, it will debootstrap using my base system and all then | 22:54 |
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| shapr | GeneralAntilles: Is that, yes you are using a 32gb card? | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: should i try it? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: .. wait :P | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | shapr, not me personally, but plenty of people are. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2048GB cards will work without issue. | 22:56 |
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| Meiz_n810 | 2048 GB!! | 22:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | lot of space | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yes, updated now | 22:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | testing if it works on my install too :P | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 22:59 |
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| Meiz_n810_ | Debootstrapping now with your installer Stskeeps =P | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:04 |
| Meiz_n810_ | i'll go to sleep now, i'll see if it has done what it should... | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | mm | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares" | 23:48 |
| lcuk | Aaah, redundancy, "neither Nokia nor maemo cares" | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there are echo in here? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/are/an/ | 23:50 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Is there an echo in here? | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is there are echo in here? | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/are/an/ | 23:50 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: Is there an echo in here? | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure where the border goes really | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | wall of information, maybe | 23:51 |
| lcuk | bah! by copying your line i lost the block i was gonna write | 23:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hahahhahaha | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, "Maemo" is a mobile software platform | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | as software platforms aren't yet intelligent, they don't particularly care about anything. ;) | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Software is a division of Nokia. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping. | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | oh, a qgil response to ubuntu/arm..*read* | 23:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hah, thought o | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | so | 23:58 |
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