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| johnx | 'night | 00:03 |
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| cyrus___ | Anyone here use fanoush bootmenu? I installed it, and updated the bootmenu.conf file (although I don't think that is the right config file since when I booted the options in the menu were way way different than I defined) | 00:09 |
| GAN800 | http://maemo.org/community/council/view/1226527314/ | 00:13 |
| GAN800 | cyrus, you have to edit it before you flash the new initfs | 00:14 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, fr_CA and fr_FR are the same | 00:20 |
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| GAN800 | crashanddie, so we can just copy the fr_FR translation over to fr_CA and be OK? | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | yes | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | in this case, same as en_GB and en_US | 00:23 |
| GAN800 | Cool, thanks. | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 00:24 |
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| crashanddie | fr_FR en fr_CA user/multimedia should be 'Multimédia', and user/education should be 'Éducation' | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | (if those accents got through AOK, if they didn't, I'll edit the wiki page | 00:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN800, I updated the page, I'm not too sure about user/navigation, some input on that would be nice... It seems awkward to use "localisation", which is the "act of finding someone/thing". Also, not sure about user/network, "réseaux" doesn't feel right. [the x means plural, so it's "networks" instead of "networking"] | 00:39 |
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| crashanddie_ | I also changed user/graphics to "Graphismes", which is the correct translation, "graphiques" would be the graphical object you put in a powerpoint presentation | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_ | My work here is done | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_ | and fuck this channel is quiet | 00:43 |
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| johnx | :P | 00:45 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, thanks! I posted something on planet a little while ago, so hopefully some people will eyeball the current translations. | 00:47 |
| GAN800 | I'm not sure if Khertan provided the translation that was there, but if not maybe he can look at it. | 00:48 |
| crashanddie_ | also tell dneary to look at it | 00:48 |
| crashanddie_ | I could always ask the professional translations team at work to do it for me real quick :P | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_ | naaa, I'm an arsehole | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 00:50 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Hi, could you translate Desktop, Programming, Educational... [...] into Mexican Spanish, dutch, Norwegian, Portuguese... [...] | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | that must be the shittiest job ever though | 00:52 |
| crashanddie_ | "On demand translator" | 00:52 |
| crashanddie_ | I mean, surely the job at McDonalds wasn't THAT bad | 00:52 |
| Veggen | chrashanddie: uh....is there a table editor for wiki? ;) | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | I'm afraid not | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | Veggen, open the original and the editor in two distinct windows | 00:53 |
| crashanddie_ | Veggen, use the words on the right and left to see on which line you should enter your data | 00:54 |
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| crashanddie_ | finally, you jerk | 00:55 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, off for a smoke | 00:55 |
| crashanddie | LATA ! | 00:55 |
| GAN800 | /msg nickserv ghost crashanddie | 00:55 |
| crashanddie | can't be arsed | 00:56 |
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| jaredu-n810 | muahahahaha | 01:15 |
| jaredu-n810 | i got pandora working in flash in the microB browser on n810 | 01:15 |
| jaredu-n810 | hehhehheh | 01:15 |
| jaredu-n810 | it owns | 01:16 |
| jaredu-n810 | anyone else ever get it to work? | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | if I knew what Pandora was, maybe | 01:19 |
| jaredu-n810 | music genome project | 01:19 |
| GAN800 | last.fm | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | ah | 01:20 |
| jaredu-n810 | unlimited custom radio | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | deezer works fine for me, thank you very much | 01:20 |
| jaredu-n810 | heh | 01:20 |
| jaredu-n810 | well | 01:20 |
| dystopia | hhmm you got one? so Pandora isn't a myth or maya anymore? | 01:20 |
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| jaredu-n810 | hmm? | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | And say I nearly worked for Pandora at some point | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | err | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | last.fm | 01:21 |
| jaredu-n810 | heh | 01:21 |
| johnx | I like pandora but it doesn't work outside the US :/ | 01:21 |
| jaredu-n810 | aww | 01:21 |
| GAN800 | dystopia, not the console . . . | 01:21 |
| jaredu-n810 | im quite pleased with it | 01:21 |
| jaredu-n810 | its flash based though | 01:21 |
| jaredu-n810 | and it gives script error on n810 | 01:22 |
| jaredu-n810 | but i got around it heh | 01:22 |
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| jaredu-n810 | how exactly does last.fm work..? i know theres a plugin for canola 2 but ive never tried | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | last.fm uses their "scrobbler" | 01:23 |
| jaredu-n810 | ehh? | 01:24 |
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| crashanddie | basically, you select a music genre, or an artist | 01:24 |
| jaredu-n810 | mmk | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | and it plays music/songs from similar artists/genres | 01:24 |
| jaredu-n810 | ah | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | you train it by saying you love/hate a song | 01:24 |
| jaredu-n810 | hmm | 01:24 |
| jaredu-n810 | same with pandora heh | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | deezer is better :P | 01:24 |
| jaredu-n810 | can you have multiple stations? | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | sure | 01:25 |
| jaredu-n810 | deezer? | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | you can even make your own playlists and listen to whole albums | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | www.deezer.com | 01:25 |
| jaredu-n810 | interesting | 01:25 |
| jaredu-n810 | hmm | 01:26 |
| jaredu-n810 | whats different about deezer? | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | you get to actually select the songs you want to listen to? | 01:26 |
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| jaredu-n810 | o.o | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | As in, if you want to listen to one song over and over, it doesn't tell you "you've listened too much to this song, sorry" | 01:26 |
| jaredu-n810 | ah | 01:27 |
| jaredu-n810 | does it have the same training ability or is it all choice? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | I think it has | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | with the smartradios | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | but I never used the feature, so I'm not sure | 01:27 |
| jaredu-n810 | ah | 01:28 |
| jaredu-n810 | im not all that into music w/ knowing all the songs and stuff so i dont know | 01:28 |
| jaredu-n810 | hmm | 01:28 |
| jaredu-n810 | oh well | 01:29 |
| jaredu-n810 | cya guys, if anyone wants a youtube vid of how to get pandora to work let me know @ jareduarunorudu@gmail.com | 01:30 |
| jaredu-n810 | cya | 01:30 |
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| disco_stu | whats pandora ? | 01:36 |
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| GAN800 | disco_stu, scrollback. | 01:38 |
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| dystopia | lol i thought he received his order early =] | 01:40 |
| disco_stu | ah | 01:40 |
| disco_stu | not interesetd.. | 01:40 |
| disco_stu | s/intersetd/interested/ | 01:41 |
| disco_stu | lol | 01:41 |
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| jagernot | hello.. | 01:54 |
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| nokia770fan | hello? | 02:00 |
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| jagernot | hi again; am here to (yet again) present my audio synth for comments/feedback/feature ideas | 02:03 |
| jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar | 02:03 |
| jagernot | its a box guitar for n810 | 02:03 |
| jagernot | screen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png | 02:04 |
| jaska | thought it looked more like a low-res worms game | 02:05 |
| jaska | err, worm game.. not worms | 02:05 |
| jagernot | jaska: talking to me? | 02:05 |
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| jaska | just thinking aloud really | 02:06 |
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| bef0rd | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/say-hello-to-gmail-voice-and-video-chat.html | 02:15 |
| bef0rd | would that video chat thing work with a n810? | 02:15 |
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| johnx | bef0rd, nope | 02:26 |
| johnx | not even available for desktop linux :/ | 02:27 |
| bef0rd | oh, yea, but I mean, a video conversation between n810 builtin chat client, and a windows desktop? | 02:28 |
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| johnx | only one way to find out :) | 02:30 |
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| * disco_stu is testing last.fm and he loves it | 02:43 | |
| akshay_ | anyone know about battery life API calls? | 02:43 |
| akshay_ | I want to know the remaining battery life or energy used | 02:43 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, Vagalume | 02:44 |
| johnx | akshay_, battery-status - http://nitapps.com | 02:44 |
| disco_stu | is better ? | 02:44 |
| johnx | vagalume is a last.fm client | 02:45 |
| GAN800 | Is a native application to play last.fm streams | 02:45 |
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| disco_stu | ah | 02:45 |
| disco_stu | i was using canola 2 plugin | 02:45 |
| johnx | well that's good too | 02:45 |
| disco_stu | i have to go to eat cause my mom is yelling me | 02:46 |
| disco_stu | brb | 02:46 |
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| akshay_ | thanks | 02:47 |
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| johnx | ah, dependency hell. how I didn't miss you :/ | 03:48 |
| disco_stu_away | the hell.. last.fm is very nice | 03:54 |
| bef0rd | yes, yes it is | 04:03 |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, guess I should mock up a decent looking UI for adv-power. ;) | 04:04 |
| disco_stu_away | i searched for ozzy osbourne, then i got a song | 04:06 |
| disco_stu_away | but the others were related | 04:06 |
| disco_stu_away | is there any way to listen just to an artist.. or that is the trick ? | 04:07 |
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| l7 | has anyone run into a problem where the n800 will get stuck in the bootup process? | 04:48 |
| johnx | lots of people I'm sure | 04:49 |
| l7 | my tablet gets all the way to the point where the progress bar finishes and then it freezes | 04:49 |
| l7 | hmm, any ideas on how i can fix it? | 04:50 |
| johnx | are you booting from sd? | 04:50 |
| l7 | unfortunately not | 04:50 |
| l7 | i have MyDocs symlinked to an external SD but never got around to setting up SD booting | 04:51 |
| johnx | well at least you have your files | 04:51 |
| l7 | tried boot both with the SD card in and out with no luck | 04:52 |
| johnx | I don't really know a simple way to fix the problem you're having | 04:52 |
| l7 | i can get into USB mode, so i'm considering reflashing | 04:52 |
| l7 | but the weird thing is that the tablet won't charge the battery | 04:52 |
| johnx | out of curiosity, try shutting down, unplugging, pulling the battery for 30 seconds then put it back together and try booting | 04:52 |
| johnx | it probably is charging, just not showing you the charging screen | 04:53 |
| l7 | yeah, i tried taking out the battery for about half an hour with no luck | 04:53 |
| l7 | hrm... | 04:53 |
| l7 | the thing with the charging is that it enters the first stage of the charging screen, but the battery icon is always half way full | 04:54 |
| l7 | even after 8 hours of charging | 04:55 |
| disco_stu_away | l7 | 04:55 |
| l7 | maybe it always does that though | 04:55 |
| disco_stu_away | power on the tablet | 04:55 |
| disco_stu_away | and when she is booting take the battery out | 04:55 |
| l7 | hmm | 04:55 |
| l7 | at what stage of the boot? | 04:55 |
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| disco_stu_away | you pick | 04:55 |
| johnx | disco_stu_away, how will that help? | 04:56 |
| l7 | what is this supposed to do? | 04:56 |
| l7 | does this reset some kind of bios or PRAM setting? | 04:56 |
| disco_stu_away | takin the battery out, will consume all the energy in the piezoelectric capacitors | 04:56 |
| l7 | won't leaving the battery out overnight do the same thing? | 04:57 |
| disco_stu_away | no | 04:57 |
| l7 | hrm | 04:57 |
| disco_stu_away | beacuse the cicuit is interrupted | 04:57 |
| l7 | i have pulled the battery out after the boot cycle got stuck | 04:57 |
| disco_stu_away | and charges remain still | 04:57 |
| l7 | about 5 or 6 times | 04:58 |
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| l7 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12651 same issue here, no answers | 05:02 |
| SmackPotat | about nvd_data from the gps how do i view the 8 bit values as text http://pastebin.ca/1254918 is what i want without the spaces and newiles actually starting a new line | 05:03 |
| l7 | oh yeah, can i access the n800 in USB mode to fix it's settings? | 05:04 |
| johnx | l7, not really. that depends on it being bootable | 05:05 |
| johnx | are you running linux on your desktop? | 05:05 |
| l7 | yeah, i have an ubuntu install | 05:06 |
| l7 | also a mac install | 05:06 |
| johnx | possibly I could make a backup of my initfs and you could try using the rescue mode in bootmenu to get a console | 05:06 |
| l7 | i can get into the USB mode used for flashing by pressing the home key | 05:07 |
| l7 | ah cool | 05:07 |
| disco_stu_away | flash it then | 05:07 |
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| l7 | eh, i don't know how much battery's left at this point | 05:07 |
| disco_stu_away | but you have to be sure the battery will have enough power | 05:07 |
| l7 | yeah that's the problem, i don't know if it's capable of charging | 05:08 |
| johnx | it's capable of charging | 05:08 |
| l7 | it *should* be, but i guess i need a second tablet to be sure | 05:08 |
| l7 | you're sure? | 05:08 |
| johnx | 90%+ :) | 05:08 |
| disco_stu_away | lol | 05:08 |
| l7 | then i should probably plug it in overnight and let it do it's thing | 05:08 |
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| l7 | the charging screen is messed up | 05:09 |
| johnx | I think that's the case | 05:09 |
| disco_stu_away | 20 seconds of flashin wont consume that much power | 05:09 |
| johnx | flashing just an initfs is safe though, even if it runs out of power in the middle | 05:09 |
| l7 | it should display a battery icon that fills up in 3 or 4 stages | 05:09 |
| disco_stu_away | yes | 05:09 |
| l7 | but it just shows a half full battery and then a black screen | 05:09 |
| johnx | but it will charge even without linux running | 05:10 |
| l7 | have you noticed the device makes a very slight sound when charging? | 05:10 |
| johnx | most do I think | 05:10 |
| johnx | or are you asking me? | 05:11 |
| l7 | yeah | 05:11 |
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| l7 | normally i can hear the n800 as a rhymthic buzz on my stereo when it's connected on the same power strip | 05:11 |
| l7 | but i don't hear that buzz now | 05:11 |
| l7 | maybe it only causes a buzz when the device is booted into linux though, hard to say | 05:11 |
| l7 | i wish i had a second tablet to measure to battery charge | 05:12 |
| johnx | hmm...well that's slightly worrying, but it could also mean the battery is full and it's not charging | 05:12 |
| l7 | i think the device always goes into charge mode from my experience | 05:12 |
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| l7 | i will say it's in charge mode for about an hour if you disconnect it after a full charge and plug it in again | 05:13 |
| disco_stu_away | my charger does a different sound when charging and not charging | 05:13 |
| johnx | n810 or n800? | 05:14 |
| l7 | johnx: n800 | 05:14 |
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| johnx | great :) | 05:14 |
| l7 | unless you're asking disco_stu_away | 05:14 |
| johnx | running diablo? | 05:14 |
| l7 | are you asking me? | 05:15 |
| johnx | yes | 05:15 |
| disco_stu_away | no, mine does | 05:15 |
| * l7 is running diablo | 05:15 | |
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| johnx | l7, just trying to figure out if I can make you a compatible initfs to flash :) | 05:15 |
| l7 | maybe i'll put my ear next to the charger later, i haven't tried that yet | 05:15 |
| l7 | ah | 05:15 |
| l7 | is initfs a startup script for linux? | 05:16 |
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| johnx | well, kind of. you can think about it that way | 05:16 |
| disco_stu | initfs is a file system image that holds the files needed to boot | 05:17 |
| l7 | hrm, and init is the daemon that executes the files in initfs then? | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | init is the father of all processes | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | when your computer boots init is executed | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | and in Linux, process are spawned in a process called fork | 05:18 |
| disco_stu | so when init wants to execute a program | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | it forks | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | so you will have init and one clone | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | then the clone makes a execl | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | where it mutates to the the binary you want to execute | 05:19 |
| disco_stu | and the you have two different programs running | 05:20 |
| disco_stu | so.. every program in your tablet has init as its ancestor | 05:20 |
| disco_stu | if you kill init your tablet dies | 05:21 |
| l7 | hrm, i never thought of it that way | 05:21 |
| l7 | i've seen a hierarcherical list of processes on the mac though | 05:21 |
| disco_stu | thats the way the kernel handles it | 05:21 |
| disco_stu | mac uses Linux kernel | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | works the same way | 05:22 |
| johnx | bsd actually, but close enough | 05:22 |
| l7 | it uses mach actually | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | is a fork | 05:22 |
| l7 | but yeah it's very similiar | 05:22 |
| johnx | well, bsd on mach | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | its a copy | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | :P | 05:22 |
| l7 | yeah | 05:22 |
| johnx | a copy of linux? o really? :P | 05:22 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:23 |
| l7 | heh | 05:23 |
| disco_stu | i hate mac | 05:23 |
| disco_stu | is for ladybugs and girlies | 05:23 |
| l7 | eh, i don't want to get into that debate | 05:23 |
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| johnx | eh, they're perfectly nice machines if they work the way you want them to | 05:23 |
| johnx | waiting for initfs backup to finish | 05:23 |
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| johnx | and finished | 05:24 |
| l7 | i like things and hate things about apple at various stages | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | johnx: why are you making that ? | 05:24 |
| l7 | i just like ubuntu though | 05:24 |
| johnx | disco_stu, for l7, so he can get to a rescue shell | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | he can ue the initfs of the original firmware image | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | s/ue/use/ | 05:24 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: he can use the initfs of the original firmware image | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | just flashing initfs | 05:25 |
| l7 | hmm | 05:25 |
| johnx | right, but the initfs he has doesn't have the rescue menu built in :) | 05:25 |
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| disco_stu | thats a good one | 05:25 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:25 |
| l7 | johnx: this is because you're using boot from SD right? | 05:26 |
| johnx | right | 05:26 |
| l7 | too bad nokia doesn't include it in it's images | 05:26 |
| l7 | i guess it might confuse average tablet users, though i am convinced average tablet users are all geeks like us anyway | 05:27 |
| GAN800 | Bull | 05:27 |
| johnx | they really aren't :) | 05:27 |
| l7 | really? | 05:27 |
| johnx | read ITT for like 5 minutes | 05:27 |
| l7 | i mean i thought normal people would just buy an iphone or something | 05:28 |
| l7 | i guess it's good that the device has a broader appeal | 05:28 |
| johnx | ok, grab this: http://rapidshare.com/files/163258937/initfs.orig.jffs2.html | 05:30 |
| johnx | sorry about the rapidshare, no host right now :/ | 05:30 |
| johnx | note to self: get a new webhost | 05:31 |
| disco_stu | johnx: dont you have a public ip ? | 05:31 |
| johnx | disco_stu, nope | 05:31 |
| disco_stu | ok | 05:31 |
| disco_stu | i dont have one either :( | 05:32 |
| johnx | free inet connection at my apartment, but the whole building is behind one public IP | 05:32 |
| johnx | so I'm actually behind two NATs :/ | 05:32 |
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| johnx | l7, tell me when you have the file | 05:33 |
| * disco_stu is smashing stupid Tomcat | 05:33 | |
| johnx | the web server or your pet? | 05:34 |
| l7 | by the way, mediafire.com has slightly nicer hosting than rapidshare | 05:34 |
| johnx | I'll use them in the future | 05:34 |
| l7 | yeah, they have no wait times, which is nice | 05:34 |
| l7 | cool, i have the file now | 05:35 |
| l7 | thanks for preparing it btw | 05:35 |
| johnx | sure, it was super easy :) | 05:35 |
| disco_stu | i download a file of about 700mb from a free hosting dont remeber the name | 05:35 |
| johnx | and you have the linux flasher already, right? | 05:35 |
| l7 | hrm, not yet | 05:35 |
| johnx | I'm just going to sign up with a new web host later today probably | 05:35 |
| l7 | last time i flashed i was still using windows | 05:35 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 05:35 |
| johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 05:36 |
| l7 | is there a chance of bricking the tablet doing this? | 05:36 |
| johnx | nope | 05:36 |
| l7 | it could lose power though right? | 05:36 |
| johnx | even if it loses power, it won't matter | 05:36 |
| l7 | oh | 05:36 |
| johnx | we're flashing initfs. the flashing is done by the bootloader | 05:36 |
| l7 | oh | 05:36 |
| johnx | so if it fails, you just recharge and reflash again | 05:36 |
| l7 | trashing the bootloader is what bricks the tablet forever then? | 05:37 |
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| GAN800 | Well, until you build a serial cable. | 05:37 |
| l7 | hrm | 05:37 |
| johnx | has it actually happened to anyone? | 05:37 |
| johnx | I don't want to say "it's never happened" but I've certainly never heard of it | 05:37 |
| l7 | dunno, GeneralAntilles was explaining how it could happen a while back | 05:37 |
| GAN800 | Nor have I | 05:38 |
| GAN800 | The probabilities are rather ridiculously low | 05:38 |
| GAN800 | Fuck GeneralAntilles. That guy's a stupid asshole. | 05:38 |
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| johnx | yeah, next time, I'm voting GAN800 for community chair-man | 05:39 |
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| disco_stu | what happened here ? | 05:40 |
| l7 | his explanation was pretty good compared to the other guy who was ranting about how you could brick your tablet | 05:40 |
| GAN800 | No, he sucks | 05:40 |
| disco_stu | what GeneralAntilles said is that you will brick your tablet if the power is lost while flasgin NOLO | 05:41 |
| GAN800 | I hope GeneralAntilles dies and goes to hell. | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | wich is a 5msec windows | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: behave | 05:41 |
| l7 | disco_stu: yeah | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is a very good person | 05:41 |
| disco_stu | he helped me a lot | 05:41 |
| l7 | man such acrimony in the OSS community isn't good | 05:41 |
| GAN800 | Pfft, he's a terrible person. | 05:41 |
| johnx | l7, so download an appropriate version of flasher-3.0 from that site and once you do, login as root on your desktop | 05:42 |
| l7 | linux is all about collaboration and sharing and love right? | 05:42 |
| l7 | well maybe not "love" | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | love ? | 05:42 |
| l7 | johnx: okay i'm switching to ubuntu | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | i think you mean geeks | 05:42 |
| l7 | sharing and collaboration though | 05:42 |
| l7 | yeah, geeks | 05:42 |
| l7 | epic geekery | 05:42 |
| disco_stu | thats right | 05:43 |
| johnx | well I can deinitely say that both GAN800 and GeneralAntilles are totally geeks. maybe it's some kind of alpha-geek competition :/ | 05:43 |
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| GAN800 | Ehehe, sorry, that was evil | 05:44 |
| * GAN800 is GeneralAntilles | 05:44 | |
| GAN800 | GeneralAntillesN800 ;) | 05:44 |
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| l7 | okay, i'm on the ubuntu box now | 05:45 |
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| l7 | hrm, do i want flasher-3.0? | 05:46 |
| l7 | or the static one? | 05:47 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:47 |
| johnx | if you're on ubuntu i386 just get flasher-3.0 | 05:47 |
| l7 | yeah, 32 bit ubuntu | 05:47 |
| johnx | put the flasher-3.0 binary and the initfs.orig.jffs2 in the same directory, open up a terminal, cd to that directory and run: | 05:47 |
| johnx | sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R | 05:47 |
| l7 | make the wrong choice and the tablet explodes? | 05:47 |
| johnx | nah, if the flasher runs it'll flash | 05:48 |
| disco_stu | just cut it off with your fears | 05:48 |
| johnx | if it's not the right thing, then it won't run :) | 05:48 |
| johnx | we won't mislead you | 05:48 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: why do you have two nicks ? | 05:48 |
| GAN800 | GAN800 is my N800 | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | i didnt know it was you | 05:49 |
| GAN800 | I tend to act a little differently when hindered by a virtual finger keyboard, so I like people to know why. | 05:49 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:49 |
| l7 | so i have flasher-3.0 on the desktop | 05:49 |
| l7 | and the initfs.orig.jffs2 file | 05:50 |
| johnx | so open up a terminal and type: | 05:50 |
| johnx | cd Desktop | 05:50 |
| l7 | yeah i'm there | 05:50 |
| l7 | flasher-3.0 is an executable? | 05:51 |
| johnx | then the line with sudo ^a couple messages back up^ | 05:51 |
| johnx | yes | 05:51 |
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| l7 | i assume it's | 05:51 |
| l7 | sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R | 05:51 |
| johnx | yes | 05:51 |
| l7 | don't i need to chmod +x it? | 05:51 |
| johnx | yup | 05:52 |
| l7 | and should i plug in the tablet in USB mode first? | 05:52 |
| johnx | nope | 05:52 |
| l7 | oh ok | 05:52 |
| johnx | follow the normal flashing instructions: | 05:53 |
| johnx | ~flashing | 05:53 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | is the same if he plugs it | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | infobot: no, you are a sucker | 05:53 |
| infobot | disco_stu: what are you talking about? | 05:53 |
| johnx | except use the command I gave you instead of the one for flashing the whole firmware | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:53 |
| johnx | infobot, don't listen to disco_stu | 05:53 |
| l7 | ./flasher-3.0: 2: Syntax error: newline unexpected | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | infobot: no, flashing is a t you are a sucker | 05:53 |
| infobot | okay, disco_stu | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:53 |
| GAN800 | ~botsnack | 05:53 |
| infobot | aw, gee, GAN800 | 05:53 |
| disco_stu | infobot is friendly with me | 05:54 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, fixit fixit fixit :P | 05:54 |
| disco_stu | ok | 05:54 |
| johnx | disco_stu, fine, but you have to answer the next questions about flashing :> | 05:54 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:54 |
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| johnx | l7, hmm | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | infobot: no, flashing is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:55 |
| infobot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, disco_stu | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:55 |
| l7 | yeah i didn't get a proper download of the flasher file | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | you both had to exchange md5sums | 05:55 |
| GAN800 | ~no flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:55 |
| infobot | okay, GAN800 | 05:55 |
| disco_stu | i was going to GAN800 | 05:55 |
| GAN800 | :p | 05:56 |
| l7 | trying again | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | I'm faster. ;) | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | just wanted to know if the puppy would just obey normal people | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | Sure | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | you know, since you are klingons | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | Define anything you need | 05:56 |
| disco_stu | lol | 05:56 |
| l7 | johnx: now it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 05:57 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: are there any ircstats for the channel ? | 05:57 |
| l7 | time to plug in and hold down the home key? | 05:57 |
| disco_stu | l7: yes | 05:57 |
| johnx | l7, yes | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, um, jott parsed the logs a few months ago | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | Don't have a link handy, though. | 05:58 |
| GAN800 | IRC will likely end up in karma at some point. | 05:58 |
| l7 | oh that was quick, it's booting from flash | 05:58 |
| l7 | looks like it's still stuck at the progress bar again | 05:58 |
| disco_stu | ircstats are very funny | 05:58 |
| johnx | hmm? it didn't give you a boot menu? | 05:59 |
| l7 | it did for about a second | 05:59 |
| l7 | i guess i gotta yank the battery again | 05:59 |
| johnx | odd | 05:59 |
| johnx | it should give you 30 seconds | 05:59 |
| johnx | hmm | 06:00 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: another thing is faster in Diablo is the file manager | 06:00 |
| l7 | press and hold the menu key it said | 06:00 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, still slow, though. :( | 06:01 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: and i edited mce.ini so i can double click power button and set the nit to softpoweroff | 06:01 |
| l7 | okay cool, i have a boot menu now | 06:01 |
| johnx | l7, ok, what are your options? | 06:01 |
| l7 | internal flash / deblet or power off | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | Too bad David refuses to let you double-click to wake it. | 06:01 |
| johnx | does it have text across the top? hold xxx for rescue or similar? | 06:01 |
| GAN800 | For some retarded reason | 06:01 |
| l7 | hrm, i didn't see that | 06:01 |
| l7 | i wandered into USB networking mode | 06:02 |
| johnx | ah, nevermind, that's right :) | 06:02 |
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| johnx | just didn't remember the text at the top :D | 06:02 |
| l7 | there's no recovery mode accroess the top | 06:02 |
| johnx | usb networking is what you want | 06:02 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: who is David ? | 06:03 |
| l7 | johnx: trying to telnet in now | 06:03 |
| l7 | it's rather slow | 06:03 |
| johnx | hmm. it shouldn't be | 06:03 |
| l7 | am i supposed to get a login prompt right away? | 06:03 |
| johnx | did you already setup the networking on your desktop? | 06:04 |
| l7 | no, everything on ubuntu is pretty much default | 06:04 |
| l7 | do i need to install a package? | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | programmer in charge of mce | 06:04 |
| johnx | nope, but you need to activate the usb0 interface on your desktop before you can telnet | 06:05 |
| l7 | oh, how do i do that? | 06:05 |
| disco_stu | what is mce btw ? | 06:05 |
| johnx | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 | 06:05 |
| * johnx checks to make sure that's right | 06:05 | |
| l7 | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device | 06:06 |
| l7 | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device | 06:06 |
| disco_stu | he will have to insmod | 06:06 |
| GAN800 | daemon that controls power and device state stuff | 06:06 |
| johnx | actually, unplug the usb and replug it, then try that same command again | 06:07 |
| l7 | weird, my tablet switched itself off | 06:07 |
| johnx | as soon as you unplugged usb? | 06:08 |
| l7 | no while i was messing around pasting some stuff into gedit | 06:08 |
| l7 | trying agian | 06:08 |
| johnx | you know the other thing here might be that your battery is dying or your charger | 06:09 |
| l7 | whups i did "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15" by mistake" | 06:09 |
| disco_stu | is the same | 06:10 |
| l7 | now i get "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host" instead of hanging at the telnet prompt | 06:10 |
| disco_stu | can you ping it ?? | 06:10 |
| johnx | and if that fails, put the output of ifconfig on pastebin | 06:11 |
| l7 | seems to be 100% packet loss | 06:11 |
| johnx | BTW, does the tablet refuse to start if there is insufficient power? at what point in the boot process is that checked? | 06:11 |
| disco_stu | ok | 06:11 |
| l7 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/71188/ | 06:12 |
| l7 | here's the ifconfig | 06:12 |
| johnx | ah, alright, try that ifconfig line again | 06:13 |
| johnx | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 | 06:13 |
| disco_stu | it is missing the ip address | 06:13 |
| l7 | okay done | 06:14 |
| l7 | the command returns a newline with no error messages | 06:14 |
| johnx | correct | 06:14 |
| johnx | now ping or telnet again | 06:14 |
| l7 | 100% packet loss | 06:15 |
| johnx | gak | 06:15 |
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| l7 | i can give the mac a try | 06:15 |
| johnx | nah, that probably won't work | 06:15 |
| l7 | tablet went to sleep again | 06:15 |
| johnx | do you have any friends with a nokia phone charger you can borrow? | 06:16 |
| l7 | what is the best order to reboot the tablet in? | 06:16 |
| l7 | a phone charger? | 06:16 |
| johnx | any charger that's the same as the n800 | 06:16 |
| l7 | i happen to have a nokia phone charger that might be compatible | 06:16 |
| johnx | most current nokia devices use the same charger | 06:16 |
| l7 | how is the phone charger different than the charger that came with the n800? | 06:17 |
| johnx | well, you said your battery doesn't show a charging animation, and you can usually hear it charging | 06:17 |
| johnx | and it keeps shutting off randomly | 06:17 |
| l7 | hrm | 06:18 |
| johnx | always test the simplest things first :) | 06:18 |
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| l7 | how does charging work when in recovery mode? | 06:18 |
| l7 | i guess i can plug it in | 06:19 |
| johnx | or test your n800 charger on your phone | 06:19 |
| l7 | it's about the same size and shape | 06:19 |
| johnx | actually the real question is: does it turn on when you plug in the current charger? | 06:20 |
| johnx | if it fits, then it should work, but you can double check that the voltage match on the charger if it makes you feel better | 06:21 |
| disco_stu | johnx: lol.. that just will answer if the charger works | 06:21 |
| johnx | disco_stu, yeah. like I said, test simple things first. ever work on a car before? :D | 06:21 |
| disco_stu | i dont get what you mena | 06:22 |
| disco_stu | s/mena/mean/ | 06:22 |
| infobot | disco_stu meant: i dont get what you mean | 06:22 |
| l7 | the voltage is a bit different on the phone version | 06:22 |
| disco_stu | doesnt matter | 06:22 |
| l7 | anyway, why don't i just plug in the n800's charger? | 06:22 |
| johnx | disco_stu, eh, I was thinking briefly that his charger might be dead, thus not charging, thus why his tablet randomly just shuts off in recovery mode | 06:23 |
| l7 | is this tablet not supposed to shut off in recovery mode? | 06:24 |
| johnx | I've never had it happen | 06:24 |
| l7 | i suppose it's possible that a surge damaged the charger so that it will turn the tablet on but not charge | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | maybe it is | 06:24 |
| johnx | I think a recovery mode where the tablet randomly shut down would be kind of really dumb | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | you want to know if the charger works ? | 06:24 |
| johnx | yes | 06:24 |
| disco_stu | put the connector in your tongue | 06:24 |
| l7 | uh, no thanks | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | i'm not joking | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | it wont hurt you | 06:25 |
| l7 | i know | 06:25 |
| l7 | i'd rather get a voltage testing kit | 06:25 |
| l7 | i'll try to find that old phone first though | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | thats good too | 06:25 |
| disco_stu | i dont know how i lived till today without last.fm | 06:26 |
| l7 | well here's the thing, the n800 doesn't shut down by itself when booting from flash | 06:26 |
| l7 | but it does turn off in recovery mode while waiting for telnet | 06:26 |
| johnx | it just stays hung? | 06:26 |
| l7 | yeah, it just shows the hands screen | 06:27 |
| l7 | or the star trek version of it actually | 06:27 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: im using the maemo startup logo you made | 06:27 |
| johnx | the usb networking telnet mode should be pretty bulletproof | 06:27 |
| disco_stu | but sometimes it appears with a blue thingy | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | disco_stu, did I link you to the Err set, too? | 06:28 |
| l7 | is the n800 supposed to stay in the boot menu indefinitely? | 06:28 |
| johnx | do you have it plugged in when it shuts off? | 06:28 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: maybe.. | 06:28 |
| disco_stu | the one that says maemo im using | 06:28 |
| johnx | not the boot menu, but the usb telnet mode yes | 06:28 |
| l7 | johnx: it was unplugged and in telnet mode when it shut off | 06:28 |
| johnx | let me test on mine | 06:28 |
| l7 | i'm going to move over to the mac and see if i can get USB networking on it | 06:29 |
| GAN800 | I tweaked the maemo.org set a bit, not sure if I ever uploaded i. | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | l7 you wont make it | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | mac wont be useful | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | please | 06:29 |
| johnx | the mac doesn't have the right networking drivers I think | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | erase that partition | 06:29 |
| l7 | hrm macs aren't that bad eh? | 06:29 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:29 |
| johnx | it's just a lack of drivers | 06:30 |
| johnx | I have nothing against macs | 06:30 |
| johnx | disco_stu is just insecure about secretly loving Macs :D | 06:30 |
| l7 | heh | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | i hate them | 06:30 |
| l7 | i'll try the ports in the back of the PC | 06:30 |
| disco_stu | i'm a GNU gentleman | 06:30 |
| johnx | just try having it plugged in to a charger while in usb telnet mode | 06:30 |
| * l7 sucks some pentium exhaust | 06:31 | |
| * disco_stu thinks l7 is not the geek he thought | 06:31 | |
| l7 | for using a mac? :p | 06:31 |
| l7 | maybe i'm a wannabe | 06:31 |
| johnx | heh...it's funny, cause a mac is closer to unix than linux is | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | no for the mac | 06:32 |
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| l7 | yeah, i used the mac as part of my transition plan from to unix | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | because you didnt want to stick you're tongue to the charger | 06:32 |
| disco_stu | lol | 06:32 |
| l7 | lol | 06:32 |
| l7 | i didn't want to gunk up the charger | 06:32 |
| * johnx wouldn't have stuck his tongue to a charger he didn't trust either | 06:33 | |
| disco_stu | i'll grab a glass of pepsi | 06:33 |
| l7 | anyway, what order do i want to plug in and turn on the tablet for USB networking? | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | i would | 06:33 |
| l7 | tablet has not shut down in boot menu by the way | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | i trust my live to everything that says nokia on it | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | l7: start a console now | 06:33 |
| disco_stu | and start usb networking | 06:33 |
| johnx | turn on, get to telnet mode, plug in to power, plug in to usb, run sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2 on the linux machine, telnet 192.168.2.15 | 06:33 |
| l7 | weird, it just powered off when i yanked the USB cable | 06:34 |
| johnx | was it plugged into power? | 06:34 |
| disco_stu | are there any ghosts or spirits there | 06:34 |
| l7 | no | 06:34 |
| l7 | okay, no correlation between yanking the USB and the device switching off now | 06:35 |
| johnx | try the order I just put up above ^ | 06:35 |
| l7 | ok | 06:35 |
| l7 | have you guys noticed the nokia chargers don't have a positive and negative pole on the plugs? | 06:36 |
| johnx | yeah, that's normal. international design | 06:36 |
| disco_stu | its an standard | 06:36 |
| disco_stu | positive is on the inside | 06:36 |
| johnx | you mean on the part plugging into the outlet, right? | 06:37 |
| l7 | yeah | 06:37 |
| l7 | positive is normally the bigger prong right? | 06:37 |
| disco_stu | no no | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | the oulet part would be the wall ? | 06:38 |
| johnx | yes, that's what we're talking about | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | that wont never have positive or negative | 06:38 |
| disco_stu | because is AC | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | no DC | 06:39 |
| l7 | oh | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | ac doesnt have polarity | 06:39 |
| l7 | so it doesn't matter which way you plug in the charger | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | exactly | 06:39 |
| disco_stu | the other part, the one that goes into the nit is DC current and there it matters polarity | 06:39 |
| johnx | gah, think I might have just killed my usb stick :/ | 06:40 |
| Navi | johnx: nah, I just set you up | 06:41 |
| Navi | I murdered the stick and planted false evidence that pointed to you | 06:41 |
| johnx | nooo, I was framed! I didn't do it | 06:41 |
| l7 | johnx: woohoo it worked now! | 06:41 |
| l7 | how strange | 06:41 |
| johnx | l7, when plugged into power? | 06:42 |
| l7 | yeah | 06:42 |
| * johnx whistles, tunelessly | 06:42 | |
| l7 | or maybe it was just doing everything in this order | 06:42 |
| johnx | now the hard part | 06:42 |
| johnx | you need to figure out why it won't boot :) | 06:42 |
| l7 | i guess i'll copy this into gedit to add to the wiki later | 06:42 |
| johnx | that would be great | 06:43 |
| l7 | hrm | 06:43 |
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| johnx | so now you need to figure out why it won't boot | 06:43 |
| johnx | did you install anything new recently? | 06:44 |
| l7 | yeah, i have a lot of apps | 06:44 |
| disco_stu | does maemo have a syslog ? | 06:44 |
| l7 | probably too much junk | 06:44 |
| johnx | disco_stu, not by default | 06:44 |
| johnx | l7, is there anything you installed after the last time you rebooted? | 06:44 |
| l7 | sorry, was writing down what we did | 06:46 |
| l7 | okay this is weird | 06:46 |
| l7 | # Connection closed by foreign host. | 06:46 |
| l7 | the telnet connection turned itself off | 06:46 |
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| johnx | anyways, hopefully someone else can give you some ideas, as I have to get to work | 06:47 |
| johnx | back later tonight | 06:47 |
| l7 | maybe it gets times out after a certain amount of inactivity | 06:47 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: when in softpoweroff my tablet blinks its led, even when is not intended to do so | 06:47 |
| disco_stu | why is that ? | 06:47 |
| l7 | johnx: okay cool, thanks for your help in getting this far | 06:47 |
| johnx | might want to try a different usb cable if you have one | 06:47 |
| l7 | hrm | 06:47 |
| l7 | i'm even using the heavy duty stock nokia cable | 06:47 |
| l7 | also, the other thing is i used a USB port from the back of the machine | 06:48 |
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| l7 | that might make a difference too | 06:48 |
| l7 | i'll try a cheapo USB cable though | 06:48 |
| l7 | hrm tried a new cable, same port but without charging | 06:49 |
| l7 | oh this is very strange | 06:50 |
| l7 | telnet always fails when power is not plugged in | 06:50 |
| l7 | the minute i plug in the power cable, USB networking works | 06:50 |
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| l7 | lastlog http | 06:52 |
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| GAN800 | disco_stu, in mce.ini there's a configuration for the LED behaviour in soft poweroff, set the duration to zero and restart. | 06:55 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: nice man | 06:58 |
| disco_stu | thx | 06:58 |
| disco_stu | i'm not used to see the led flashing | 06:58 |
| disco_stu | in the other side it is good because is the nit is turned off you will end up turning it on | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | while trying to take out from softpoweroff | 06:59 |
| disco_stu | btw | 07:00 |
| disco_stu | GAN800: is softpoweroff better in terms of power consumption or is just a shortcut to lock screen and offline mode | 07:00 |
| disco_stu | ? | 07:01 |
| GAN800 | It used it be a shortcut | 07:01 |
| GAN800 | but these days it may actually suspend processes | 07:01 |
| GAN800 | I know the browser doesn't continue loading pages in soft poweroff. | 07:02 |
| disco_stu | that is good news | 07:02 |
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| l7 | "usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" seems to happen a lot randomly | 07:03 |
| l7 | so what do i do once i am in telnet recovery mode? | 07:08 |
| GAN800 | There's a lot of new stuff on the OS2008 user site. | 07:09 |
| l7 | the wiki? | 07:09 |
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| l7 | hrm it's fun to run top with only 15 processes | 07:10 |
| l7 | man the tablet keeps randomly rebooting while telnetted in | 07:11 |
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| disco_stu | l7: the thing is | 07:18 |
| disco_stu | "is your tablet charging?" | 07:18 |
| l7 | can i check my battery level from the shell prompt? | 07:19 |
| disco_stu | in a normal linux pc yes | 07:20 |
| disco_stu | no sure there | 07:20 |
| disco_stu | check if you can get into | 07:20 |
| disco_stu | /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/ | 07:20 |
| disco_stu | dont know | 07:20 |
| l7 | hrm ok | 07:22 |
| l7 | i don't believe there's a /proc/acpi | 07:23 |
| l7 | i'll do a ls -R of /proc after i log back in | 07:23 |
| l7 | okay this is weird | 07:25 |
| l7 | telnet will hang every now and then | 07:26 |
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| l7 | but doing "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2" from another console unfreezes the telnet session | 07:26 |
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| disco_stu | lol | 07:27 |
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| l7 | it works, i don't know why | 07:28 |
| l7 | voodoo | 07:28 |
| l7 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/71210/ | 07:28 |
| l7 | no acpi directory in all of proc | 07:29 |
| disco_stu | well 2:30 am here | 07:31 |
| disco_stu | im going to hit bed | 07:31 |
| disco_stu | see you around | 07:31 |
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| guillermo | ls | 07:58 |
| guillermo | :-DDD | 07:58 |
| guillermo | sorry | 07:58 |
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| vincenzo88 | hello all! | 08:54 |
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| Meiz_n810 | My m-r does not boot :( | 09:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | deblet rescue menus text shows with the screen of linuxrc messages... | 09:18 |
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| bradd | i am having problems installing the maemo-sdk. when I sh the file i eventually get 'dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of maemo-core-runtime: depends on sudo however pacage sudo is not configured yet | 09:23 |
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| vincenzo88 | bradd, have you do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? | 09:35 |
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| bradd | I installed scratchbox fine, then I went with the sdk auto-installer. That was where the error occurred. | 09:36 |
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| bradd | should I login to scratchbox and do the apt stuff you mentioned before installing the sdk? | 09:36 |
| vincenzo88 | 1sec | 09:37 |
| bradd | nm. | 09:37 |
| bradd | i installed sudo on the host and everything installed | 09:37 |
| vincenzo88 | I am a novice in the developpement on maemo OS :p | 09:37 |
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| vincenzo88 | " NOTE: If you have existing Scratchbox targets named DIABLO_ARMEL | 09:40 |
| vincenzo88 | or DIABLO_X86, you need to give the '-y' option for the script to | 09:40 |
| vincenzo88 | force reset of your targets" | 09:40 |
| vincenzo88 | test with this : sh maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh -y | 09:40 |
| bradd | vincenzo88, thanks for looking, but it has installed fine now | 09:41 |
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| vincenzo88 | Good, what was the problem ? | 09:41 |
| bradd | my host distribution was missing sudo itself. I installed the package then the install succeeded | 09:42 |
| vincenzo88 | Ok | 09:42 |
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| jjo | bradd: what script required sudo to be installed? | 09:55 |
| bradd | jjo, maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh | 09:55 |
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| jjo | hmm... as far as I can see, it's not using sudo for anything and at least it shouldn't use it for anything | 09:57 |
| bradd | sorry, the text is gone.. but this was done on a fresh install of arch linux | 09:58 |
| jjo | I'll have to take a look | 09:58 |
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| chenkai | Hi, everyone. I have a basic simple question about A2DP profile. how can i make my Nokia N810 A2DP-enabled? The internet tablet is officially declared to be A2DP-disabled. i wonder if i could get some patch to install...Thanks for advance :) | 10:22 |
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| bradd | does maemo provide a #define for me to know I'm compiling on it? | 10:31 |
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| vincenzo88 | You have to compile in the scratchbox environment no changes in the sources codes are requiered | 10:38 |
| RST38h | vincenzo: oh really? :) | 10:38 |
| vincenzo88 | seriously! | 10:39 |
| bradd | vincenzo88, I need to know if I'm compiling for maemo (so I can do some specific maemo stuffs) | 10:39 |
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| bradd | (like pixel-doubling, fixed size windows for now) | 10:40 |
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| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:42 |
| StsN800 | morn | 10:44 |
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| RST38h | Here, feed: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/12/htc-max-4g-officially-announced-worlds-first-gsm-wimax-phone/ | 11:00 |
| RST38h | And, for the whole measure, this: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/10/nokia-internal-smartphone-roadmap-revealed/ | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | Well, voip over hsdpa and a voip-in number would make my tablet a phone ;) | 11:05 |
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| guardian | wow | 11:09 |
| guardian | maemo is heaven | 11:09 |
| guardian | i never thought I would have been that assertive once | 11:09 |
| guardian | I got punished, I have to work on another linux based embedded platform :( | 11:10 |
| derf | Haha. | 11:10 |
| derf | Be happy it isn't VxWorks-based. | 11:11 |
| guardian | the platform I have in hands is like "happily insert specific extensions to GTK+ by adding custom signals and new virtual functions but be sure you don't declare those at the end of the structs to be sure binary compatibility breaks ALWAYS" | 11:13 |
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| derf | "For your convenience." | 11:13 |
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| guardian | it smells NIH all around | 11:14 |
| jjo | bradd: I wonder if the package maemo-version-dev would be what you need | 11:16 |
| jjo | it should be installed by default in recent maemo releases | 11:17 |
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| bradd | jjo, ok, thanks. I'll look into it | 11:21 |
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| bradd | btw, has anyone gottan an xephyr session running on a different client than the maemo dev cliient to work? | 11:22 |
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| bradd | for what its worth, I find MAEMO to be defined during compilation | 11:29 |
| bradd | oh, sorry thats wrong.. | 11:30 |
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| jagernot | hi again; am here to (yet again) present my audio synth for comments/feedback/feature ideas | 11:46 |
| jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar its a box guitar for n810; screen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png | 11:47 |
| bradd | jjo, ok pkg-config --exists maemo-version works for me. except I also need to know if I'm compiling in the X86 env or maemo env. (I am going to use this test to determine compile-time endianness) | 11:49 |
| bradd | err ARMEL env | 11:50 |
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| gromgull | Does anyone know what pacakge I need to install to get ldd? | 11:59 |
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| X-Fade | Hmmm interesting A javascript -> dbus bridge http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | GTK+ is fragile by its nature anyway | 12:05 |
| RST38h | And its authors have got some strange aversion to C++ | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | StsN800: Can you do the no_NO translation here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations | 12:08 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: [as a reminder] catch some Finn to do fi_FI | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, already looking at my jabber contacts ;) | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | Any Swedes around? | 12:11 |
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| johnx | mornin' StsN800 :) | 12:12 |
| RST38h | moo, johnx | 12:14 |
| johnx | m00f :) | 12:14 |
| * johnx finds dependency hell in the weirdest places :/ | 12:14 | |
| johnx | it's like a talent | 12:14 |
| RST38h | or a mental disease =) | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Just buy a 16GB card and do static linking ;) | 12:15 |
| StsN800 | X-Fade, im danish on a mobile provider owned by norwegians.. | 12:15 |
| johnx | won't fix the fact that other people depend on odd libraries :/ | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | StsN800: Heh, I went with the .no ;) Sorry... | 12:16 |
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| johnx | can you trick their customer service into doing a translation? | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | I wonder if we should add more languages even though they are not officially supported. | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I would at least add pl_PL and lt_LT or whatever it is called | 12:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: PL can be done by AStorm or hrw. mgedmin can do LT | 12:20 |
| woglinde | hm I just wondered the locales packages striped out utf8 stuff | 12:20 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: yeah, indeed. | 12:21 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: It would be interesting if johnx could do jp_JP :) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | I think we have also got a Belgian and an Italian in the crowd (please, stand up =)) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Belgian is no language. | 12:21 |
| woglinde | *g* | 12:21 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Better yet, his gf could ;) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, there is already es_MX ... | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I think it is there because it is officially supported? | 12:22 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Probably... | 12:22 |
| RST38h | But it makes fr_BE sound logical | 12:23 |
| johnx | X-Fade, Sore wa mendokusai -_-;; | 12:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Could you ask someone to do jp_JP, really? It is just a dozen of words | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: As does nl_BE and de_BE, but yeah.. | 12:24 |
| johnx | yeah, shouldn't be a problem | 12:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: fanoush may be able to do CZ | 12:25 |
| woglinde | someone knows what happend with jolt? | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Also, try KotCzarny for PL (looks like he is online) | 12:27 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:34 |
| woglinde | hi lardman | 12:34 |
| lardman | hey woglinde | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, kots not in here though | 12:35 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 12:36 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde | 12:36 |
| lcuk | hows it goin | 12:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, kot is awake and in #liqbase, go have a word | 12:37 |
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| lcuk | lardman, no more mega meetings this week then? or are you stuck in eternal hell | 12:40 |
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| vincenzo88 | I want to create a shortcut off my application on the desktop to execute the application with a doubleclick. Someone have a solution to relove my problem ? Thanks | 12:41 |
| vincenzo88 | (on N810) | 12:41 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 you could lookinto the .desktop file of first steps | 12:42 |
| lcuk | bbl | 12:42 |
| johnx | vincenzo88, have you seen personal launcher? | 12:43 |
| vincenzo88 | Johnx : i have tried to create a debian package but not work, and i have not seen the personal launcher | 12:44 |
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| lardman | lcuk: nah, all meetinged out now thankfully | 12:50 |
| lardman | lcuk: might even be able to do some coding (or non work stuff) over the w/e | 12:51 |
| lardman | s/or/of | 12:51 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:04 |
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| lardman | hi Jaffa | 13:04 |
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| woglinde | hi jffa | 13:16 |
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| caio1982 | isn't really allowed for a systray app to use context menus (right-click)? is there a workaround for that or not? | 13:44 |
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| mgedmin | use left-click menus? | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | tap and hold? :P | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | setting up own machine or? | 13:59 |
| johnx | it's a backport, to satisfy libcanberra which is also a backport to satisfy ... I don't even remember any more | 14:01 |
| johnx | it's for m-r | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | libcanberra a backport to satisfy? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | where on earth does the enter into the picture? | 14:02 |
| johnx | hang on, I'll remember the whole tree in a sec | 14:03 |
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| johnx | maemo-launcher -> hildon-initscripts -> osso-af-startup -> osso-af-utils -> libcanberra (new audio layer of some type) -> libltdl7-dev (only available in intrepid's libtool) | 14:09 |
| johnx | yes, I question how I got here as well | 14:09 |
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| johnx | I guess I should just see if the one in icy will install without problems | 14:11 |
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| christefano_ | does anyone have any ideas about why my N810's backlit keyboard is no longer backlit? | 14:19 |
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| christefano | according to light-meter, the light sensor is working | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: O_o | 14:21 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. I thought we were really close | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's cos we're on trunk | 14:21 |
| johnx | this is just one "branch" of the dependency tree | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | which may have made things more difficult for us | 14:22 |
| johnx | ah yes, but there's no point in trying to bash our way through the current setup, really | 14:22 |
| johnx | s/setup/diablo versions/ | 14:22 |
| infobot | johnx meant: ah yes, but there's no point in trying to bash our way through the current diablo versions, really | 14:22 |
| johnx | <- tired | 14:23 |
| johnx | thank god for s/ | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - as they're outdated | 14:23 |
| johnx | ah, well that's anticlimactic, libtool and friends from intrepid installs without conflict | 14:23 |
| johnx | back up to canberra :) | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* should definately be noted on jaiku | 14:25 |
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| johnx | crap, crap, crap :/ | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | that bad? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | AF, though? | 14:30 |
| johnx | wants a newer libasound. I wonder if it really needs the newer version or just asks for it | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | what does that stand for? | 14:30 |
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| johnx | in osso-af-utils ? | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | well, my plan was to butcher osso-af-utils to fit ubuntu, atleast | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | er | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | af-startup | 14:31 |
| johnx | starting to look like a good plan :) | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | cos why should hildon desktop depend on a certain system layer? | 14:33 |
| johnx | yeah, osso-af-utils looks like a good candidate for replacement actually | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | or even dependig on hildon initscripts | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think i'm going to start filing some bug reports and see if nokia appreciates it or not | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: "We are a small bunch of people from community trying to "reconstruct" Maemo (see proposal at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed, ), and we are attempting a sort of proof of concept of this proposal. In this PoC we take most published parts of Maemo and try to refit them onto a up-to-date Debian/Ubuntu base to see what problems arise - also to improve problems with porting to Maemo. As part of this work, we're reporting this bug to help ... | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | ... improve Maemo." | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | sounds as a good prefix to know what the pretense is for the bug? | 14:46 |
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| johnx | sounds good, might want to change "improve problems porting" to "fix problems porting" | 14:48 |
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| johnx | or better yet "reduce problems porting" | 14:53 |
| christefano | does anyone have an idea about why my N810's keyboard lights don't work? it's possible that I installed something that did this, but nothing sketchy is listed in the application manager | 14:53 |
| johnx | did you change the setting maybe? sorry, I don't have an n810... | 14:54 |
| christefano | johnx: where is that setting? | 14:55 |
| johnx | I don't even know if there is one, I'm just trying to give you an idea | 14:56 |
| johnx | my n800 only has an onscreen keyboard :) | 14:56 |
| christefano | johnx: as far as I can tell, there isn't a setting anywhere :( | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3858 | 14:56 |
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| christefano | I had Autolock installed and removed it, but rebooting afterwards didn't clear up the problem | 14:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think that will be a good indicator of how interested they are | 14:57 |
| GAN800 | mvo just brought up copyright assignments for translations, id anybody who provided a translation really interested in copyright assignment? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | public domain | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Geez, lawyers :) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | and isn't there a thing about wiki about that? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | maemo_wiki:Copyrights is a dead link obviously.. | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: does that bug seem like a reasonable way to test the waters? | 15:00 |
| GAN800 | All wiki contributions are probably technically licensed under a permissive license, but I'm not sure if we ever really decicded that one definitevly. | 15:00 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, seems fine. | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | even if it is a kinda trivial bug it could technically have technical consequences | 15:01 |
| christefano | are there any utilities that can control the N810's keyboard backlight? | 15:03 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, you might need to put the preamble in the first bug you file. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 15:13 |
| johnx | he did :) | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | i did | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:13 |
| GAN800 | How many bugs are you planning ob filing? I wonder if a new keyword is in order. | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: so far we have a small bunch of issues | 15:13 |
| GAN800 | er, you probably _only_ want to put it on the first bug | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, testing the waters first, which is why i put it there | 15:14 |
| GAN800 | Don't cutnpaste it to every bug you file is what I mean. ;) | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | and then i'll probably use a keyword or something | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | to group them together as we are noticing issues/annoyances left and right | 15:15 |
| lcuk2 | stskeeps, are you planning a massive bugfiling raid? will that get you upto level 70? | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk2: only if there seems to be response to the issues | 15:16 |
| johnx | wow...I got one: the postinst for osso-af-startup runs chown user:users /etc/osso-af-init/locale | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i think this stuff should be carefully shaped, the osso-af-startup stuff | 15:17 |
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| lcuk2 | did you 2 ever sort out multiuser stuff or is this related | 15:17 |
| johnx | we didn't really decide if we cared about multiuser, but this is just impressively anti-unix is all | 15:18 |
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| johnx | do other people care about multiuser? | 15:18 |
| johnx | open discussion :) | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | i agree, but i think multiuser has to be quick and dynamic if its gonna work (and it has to include a wii mii import facility) | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | if its gonna work its gotta be really quick and simple to switch | 15:19 |
| johnx | you get us fast enough software 3D to smoothly display a mii and I'll certainly think about it :) | 15:19 |
| lcuk2 | the 3d part is not important, its the facial modification logic and parts library | 15:20 |
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| lcuk2 | johnx, as you have seen in liqbase its insanely easy for a new user to pickup the device, if a single device is shared with multiple people it needs to be simple to allow their details to be stored (whilst also allowing viewing public info from all users) | 15:22 |
| * Stskeeps thinks device is too limited to give proper multiuser. | 15:22 | |
| lcuk2 | i agree sts | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | hildon complexity increases highly if it has to be done properly | 15:23 |
| lcuk2 | yeah it does i agree | 15:24 |
| johnx | you mean user switching done properly or hildon done properly? | 15:24 |
| lcuk2 | full desktop user switchinguser switching | 15:24 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 15:25 |
| suihkulokki | getting rid of user/users isn't hard. desktop switching is just.. unimplementd. | 15:25 |
| lcuk2 | and would be extra complex | 15:25 |
| lcuk2 | my god im not finishing my sentences | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: as in doing it in a fast manner, without having to restart hildon-desktop to log in as a another user.. | 15:26 |
| johnx | oh that, yeah...way out of scope | 15:26 |
| lcuk2 | bbl | 15:27 |
| johnx | suihkulokki, good, I'm sure we'll be looking at the debian packages for clues :) | 15:27 |
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| GAN800 | multiuser is largely pointless for Maemo | 15:31 |
| GAN800 | Though naming user something sane would be a good plab | 15:31 |
| GAN800 | plan | 15:31 |
| GAN800 | and reducing the multiuser-hostile behaviours to a minimum. | 15:32 |
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| johnx | going insane trying to figure out why pinning isn't working O_o | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i don't think init scripts should depend on it being a certain user, or atleast use tablet_user behaviour liek in deblet | 15:35 |
| suihkulokki | johnx: that specific case is irrelevant for m-r (you don't have the language change applet anyway) | 15:36 |
| RST38h | GAN800: I suggest "punter" or "hamster" | 15:36 |
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| johnx | RST38h, maybe guinea pig? | 15:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: can't use spaces and underscores are evil | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Of course we can be frank and call him "moron" or "idiot" which will make good disctinction between normal and superuser modes | 15:37 |
| GAN800 | Maybe add a step to the startup wizard? | 15:39 |
| RST38h | good idea | 15:39 |
| RST38h | an maybe add an "add more users" settings applet | 15:40 |
| RST38h | because users do tend to have husbands, wives, and children | 15:40 |
| GAN800 | But rarely those that share a mobile device | 15:40 |
| RST38h | you will be surprised... | 15:40 |
| RST38h | rarely a phone but often a media player | 15:40 |
| GAN800 | Somebody else can handle the direct implementations of multiuser conveniences | 15:40 |
| johnx | a restricted guest account might actually be nice in some cases | 15:40 |
| GAN800 | I think just removing the blockers to multiuser support is enough | 15:41 |
| RST38h | yep | 15:41 |
| GAN800 | Just steal Apple'd user creation page from their first-boot wizard. | 15:42 |
| GAN800 | s/'d/'s/ | 15:42 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Just steal Apple's user creation page from their first-boot wizard. | 15:42 |
| RST38h | and pick up their kernel and ui frameworks while you are plundering them | 15:44 |
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| GAN800 | Well, I'd assume it doesn't look too different from anybody else's first-boot user configuration wizard, but it's the one I have the most experience with. | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Simpler question: | 15:48 |
| RST38h | does GNOME have a GTK based user management tool? | 15:48 |
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| johnx | yes, it even looks reasonable and fits under 640x440 :) | 15:50 |
| RST38h | so just reuse the damn thing | 15:51 |
| johnx | that's the easy part | 15:52 |
| guysoft42 | I just got my N810 :-) | 15:55 |
| * guysoft42 is charging it | 15:55 | |
| Stskeeps | woo | 15:55 |
| guysoft42 | whats the first thing to do when you get a nokia 810 then? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | install rootsh | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=241649#post241649 | 15:57 |
| johnx | yeah, read that somewhere else | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | guysoft42: make sure you've got the latest OS | 15:57 |
| johnx | looks like we picked the winner :) | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, flashing to latest OS | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | which is 4.2008.36-5 | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | and then install OS updates with application installer | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | one downside of the SSU (Single Software Update) feature is that now it's no longer sufficient to flash the latest image | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | after that you have to install a SSU, reboot, install the second SSU, reboot | 15:59 |
| johnx | nope, the 36-5 image is up now | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | ahh, good | 15:59 |
| johnx | just installed its kernel the other day :) | 16:00 |
| johnx | haha! ok, I beat the packages around enough to install them. time to see what happens | 16:00 |
| guysoft42 | mgedmin, how do i upgrade it? | 16:00 |
| johnx | ~flashing | 16:00 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:01 |
| johnx | guysoft42, ^head to that page^ | 16:01 |
| johnx | there's instructions for updating from windows, linux and mac | 16:01 |
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| johnx | hmm, maemo-af-desktop-l10n-engb coming in from mojo...wonder if that's kosher | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | noå | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | get it from trunk instead | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | incoming your packages now btw | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | in apt | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | added | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: atleast that probably means for n900 there'll be a stable ubuntu.. and i think it's kinda silly that now the mojo project won't be mentioned, even though i -bet- the patches there are basis of ubuntu/arm | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:06 |
| johnx | well if ubuntu targets armv7-vfp I really, really hope mojo keeps going | 16:07 |
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| johnx | otherwise I'll have busy build machines here :/ | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | true | 16:08 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I had strange problem with m-r this morning | 16:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | i installed gnome, added m-r repo, installed deblet-rescue-menu, but it still did not boot up | 16:25 |
| johnx | define "boot up" | 16:25 |
| johnx | were you left with the white screen telling you it's booting from linuxrc? | 16:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | rescue menus text was shown at white background and linuxrc msg:s | 16:26 |
| johnx | well, it's "booted up" I'm sure | 16:27 |
| johnx | did you install gdm? | 16:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 16:27 |
| johnx | and Xorg worked normally when you ran it by itself? | 16:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | it was same problem i had when i did not remember to copy fb devs from maemo | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: fb0 fb1 fb2 still :P | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | i had fb devs | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | is it in /your/target/dev? | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | i copied em from maemo | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | when mounting it from meaemo | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | well the question is if they're on the SD card or a udev thing | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | rescue menu happens before udev so | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | mount the m-r partition in maemo, ls dev o nit | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | on it | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | is fb0,fb1 etc there? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | (dont use chroot) | 16:30 |
| disco_stu | l7: any luck ? | 16:30 |
| dneary | hey hey | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | anyway, i first tried to copy fb devs from maemos /dev to /debian/dev (/debian is the dir i manually mounted /dev/mmcblk1p2) when it still did not boot, i removed fb devs, mount chroot without mounting maemos /dev to chroots /dev, deleted fb devs in chroot and then i ran /sbin/MAKEDEV in chroot to make fb devs | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | sounds about right | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | But it still did not boot | 16:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | i tried to run nautilus in chroot, and got Segmentation Fault | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | when you say chroot you mean chroot /path something? | 16:33 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, thanks :) | 16:35 |
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| johnx | guysoft42, got it flashed to the latest version now? | 16:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps, i done it many times same way, that it have worked before. Now i think it was about Segmentation Fault, every third time i install mojo, it gives me Segmentation Fault and i would say, this time it was not about missing /dev/fb*, it was about bad installation... | 16:36 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, its still charging.. and i have University homework to do in the meantime | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: awkward.. | 16:36 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, where do i get the firmware file, and where do i get the flasher? | 16:36 |
| LinuxCode | wow a student that isnt laxy | 16:36 |
| LinuxCode | lazy | 16:36 |
| LinuxCode | guysoft42, hold | 16:37 |
| johnx | guysoft42, you have a linux desktop I take it? | 16:37 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, yep :) | 16:37 |
| guysoft42 | LinuxCode, hold? | 16:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | firmware images are in tablets-dev.nokia.com | 16:37 |
| LinuxCode | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 16:37 |
| johnx | guysoft42, they're listed on that page I linked under "Flashing your tablet" | 16:37 |
| LinuxCode | you will need your wlan mac | 16:38 |
| LinuxCode | to enter | 16:38 |
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| vincenzo88 | What is the equivalent of cron (Ubuntu) in Maemo OS please ? (i need to execute a script when the N810 starts) | 16:40 |
| LinuxCode | when it starts ? | 16:40 |
| disco_stu | vincenzo88: if you want to execute it only when the device starts you dont need cron | 16:40 |
| LinuxCode | or at set intervals ? | 16:40 |
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| vincenzo88 | I want to start an application when the N810 turn On | 16:40 |
| LinuxCode | rc.local | 16:41 |
| johnx | no rc.local on the tablets | 16:41 |
| vincenzo88 | Thanks | 16:41 |
| LinuxCode | ahh | 16:41 |
| LinuxCode | doh | 16:41 |
| vincenzo88 | :-( | 16:41 |
| johnx | yeah, I thought that too | 16:41 |
| LinuxCode | maybe on purpose | 16:41 |
| johnx | easy enough to add something like it | 16:41 |
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| johnx | nah, they just use a different init setup | 16:42 |
| LinuxCode | ahh k | 16:42 |
| disco_stu | just to be curious, vincenzo88 what do you want to execute ? | 16:43 |
| vincenzo88 | A Qt4 application i have developped | 16:43 |
| disco_stu | vincenzo88: what is it for ? | 16:43 |
| vincenzo88 | The application ? | 16:44 |
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| disco_stu | yes | 16:44 |
| vincenzo88 | Displays cameras IP on screen | 16:44 |
| disco_stu | nice | 16:45 |
| vincenzo88 | :) | 16:45 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, do i need flasher-3.0 or flasher-3.0-static? i am on a pentium M here | 16:45 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 I think /etc/init.d is your friend | 16:45 |
| johnx | either one | 16:45 |
| johnx | flasher-3.0 is fine | 16:46 |
| vincenzo88 | woglinde, i will study this thanks | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | vincenzo88: | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | add a line at the end of | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | /etc/init.d/rcS | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | and you are done | 16:46 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 hm yes script in /etc/init.d/ | 16:46 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 and then a link to /etc/rcX.d | 16:47 |
| johnx | disco_stu, is there an x server running by then? | 16:47 |
| vincenzo88 | Ok i will try this | 16:47 |
| disco_stu | johnx: i miss that point | 16:47 |
| disco_stu | lol | 16:47 |
| disco_stu | im just waking up. you'll understand | 16:48 |
| disco_stu | lol | 16:48 |
| baaba | vincenzo88, make sure the read the docs regarding /etc/rcn | 16:48 |
| woglinde | vincenzo88 link to /etc/rc5.d/ S62scriptname should do | 16:48 |
| vincenzo88 | I don't know rcn but i will learn about :p | 16:48 |
| woglinde | s61 starts osso ui | 16:48 |
| baaba | replace n with 1..6 | 16:49 |
| baaba | and add .d :P | 16:49 |
| vincenzo88 | Many Thanks | 16:49 |
| woglinde | baaba it doesnt make sense in all runlevels | 16:49 |
| baaba | there's a specific way the /etc/rcn.d/ dirs are set up, your script needs to support calling with a certain way | 16:49 |
| johnx | actually, /etc/rc2.d/S62script | 16:49 |
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| baaba | doesn't make sense? | 16:49 |
| johnx | vincenzo88, read some existing scripts and copy the way they're setup | 16:50 |
| woglinde | args | 16:50 |
| woglinde | why the hack maemo starts all in runlevel 2 | 16:50 |
| baaba | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting | 16:50 |
| woglinde | baaba normaly you dont have in all runlevel the X server | 16:50 |
| baaba | yeah maemo's runlevels are kinda funky | 16:51 |
| woglinde | someone at maemo didnt care about this | 16:51 |
| woglinde | or nokia | 16:51 |
| johnx | woglinde, debian thing | 16:51 |
| baaba | well, debian's 2..5 are the same thing generally | 16:51 |
| baaba | they don't distinguish between them in debian | 16:51 |
| baaba | in some other distros they do | 16:51 |
| woglinde | hm right | 16:51 |
| woglinde | maemo should switch to semothing other | 16:51 |
| woglinde | with fremantle | 16:51 |
| woglinde | but I guess this is out of scope | 16:52 |
| johnx | yay! and be even further from debian. woo! | 16:52 |
| baaba | there are some differences between the 2..5 in maemo though, but i'm not entirely sure why | 16:52 |
| woglinde | minit would be nice | 16:52 |
| baaba | also on an unrelated note, i tried disabling bluetooth stuff by removing them from the rc2.d and then lifeguard put the device in a reboot loop :P | 16:52 |
| baaba | can you somehow configure lifeguard? | 16:53 |
| woglinde | in openembedded we should switch to something else too | 16:53 |
| johnx | baaba, use the flasher to disable it | 16:53 |
| woglinde | sysv suckz in many ways | 16:53 |
| baaba | johnx, yeah you can do that, but i don't want to fully disable it | 16:53 |
| johnx | woglinde, what's your opinion of upstart? | 16:53 |
| woglinde | johny hm | 16:53 |
| woglinde | args | 16:53 |
| woglinde | johnx | 16:54 |
| woglinde | have it here at the new ubuntu | 16:54 |
| baaba | i have a pretty specialized project that uses n810s and i'd like to get rid of extra stuff i know i won't need, like bluetooth | 16:54 |
| johnx | baaba, ok, that means that some other program started by dsmetool crashed as a result of you disabling bluetooth | 16:54 |
| woglinde | it suckz in disabling stuff | 16:54 |
| woglinde | conslekit namly | 16:54 |
| baaba | is there a logfile or something? | 16:55 |
| johnx | no logs | 16:55 |
| baaba | ideally i'd be able to disable a bunch of app framework stuff as well but i'm not sure how that's gonna fly | 16:55 |
| suihkulokki | johnx: see /var/lib/dsme/stats/ | 16:55 |
| johnx | suihkulokki++ :D | 16:55 |
| suihkulokki | s/johnx/baaba | 16:55 |
| baaba | ooh nice, thanks | 16:56 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, which buttion is the home button? | 16:57 |
| disco_stu | app switcher | 16:57 |
| johnx | guysoft42, on an N810 it's the one with two squares | 16:57 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, ah wait, whats the swap button? | 16:58 |
| johnx | guysoft42, it has two squares | 16:58 |
| johnx | swap = home = app switcher = (n800 house) = (n810 squares) | 16:59 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, on the top? | 16:59 |
| johnx | maybe? I don't have an n810 to look at :) | 17:00 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, got it :) | 17:00 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, thanks | 17:00 |
| johnx | sure :) | 17:00 |
| johnx | you get to answer the next person who asks :P | 17:01 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, how do i get the video working on skype? | 17:12 |
| johnx | there is no video calling in skype on the tablets | 17:13 |
| johnx | in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :) | 17:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | Gizmo supports video calling :) | 17:14 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, really? i thaught there was. so what i can use the camera for? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | [17:13] < johnx> in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :) | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | huh | 17:21 |
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| Myrtti | well I must have been dreaming then | 17:21 |
| johnx | Myrtti, ah, did they add it? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | I swear I talked to my boyfriend last night with webcams | 17:21 |
| * johnx hasn't used skype on the desktop in a *long* time | 17:21 | |
| johnx | guysoft42, google talk between tablets, gpscamera, gizmo calls, videocamera, motion detection | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | johnx: it's about the only crossplatform voip app that works with webcams | 17:22 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, how come? after all skype on linux has camera support | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | and with this I mean Linux x86/x86_64, Windows, Mac OS X | 17:23 |
| johnx | well hey, I was wrong about desktops :) | 17:23 |
| johnx | but the tablet is probably a lack of processing power (or laziness on skype's part) | 17:23 |
| johnx | yeah, last time I used it on a desktop was probably more than a year ago, which would explain a lot... | 17:24 |
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| Myrtti | we've tried empathy/telepathy/ekiga god knows what | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | and what remains is that skype unfortunately has the best success rate | 17:26 |
| johnx | yeah, I gave up on video a long time ago, but I use skype audio chat on my tablet all the time | 17:26 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, is there any application you would recommend me to download? is there a software repository i should add? | 17:29 |
| johnx | you should go to http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 17:29 |
| johnx | lots of great stuff | 17:29 |
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| johnx | I recommend canola for music, omweather, quicknote and personal menu | 17:30 |
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| guysoft42 | yay. apt-get moo works :) | 17:30 |
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| qwerty12 | guysoft42, cowsay ftw :P | 17:31 |
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| guysoft42 | um, whats the superuser pass? | 17:31 |
| johnx | it's locked | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | ~root-access | 17:31 |
| infobot | root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 17:31 |
| johnx | ~rootsh | 17:31 |
| infobot | i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 17:31 |
| * johnx tips his hat to qwerty12 of the fast typing | 17:32 | |
| guysoft42 | infobot, no root? :( .. but i am the owner.. | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, You'd have beat me if you didn't say it was locked :) | 17:32 |
| guysoft42 | how do i get that? | 17:33 |
| johnx | you click on one of the links | 17:33 |
| johnx | pick one :) | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | psst, rootsh (I give it my personal seal of approval ;P) | 17:33 |
| johnx | psst, if you don't pick rootsh qwerty12 will cry. :D | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | I like the rootsh & sudser combo | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I've hildonised roxterm btw. I'll move it from extras-devel into extras later. | 17:36 |
| woglinde | qwerty whats the feature of roxterm? | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process) | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: geat :) | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | great | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | Just need to fix some bugs :) | 17:50 |
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| perseus__ | Does maemo not mount partition according to the fstab? The reason I ask is that in my /etc/fstab file it says to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /media/mmc1 but that device gets mountd to /media/mmc2 | 17:57 |
| perseus__ | I have a n810 and therefore the mmcblk0p1 is the internal partition 1 | 17:58 |
| johnx | correct. maemo doesn't mount according to fstab | 17:58 |
| perseus__ | johnx - what does it mount according to | 17:58 |
| johnx | some scripts stashed somewhere | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg -L ke-recv | 17:59 |
| johnx | qwerty12++ | 17:59 |
| disco_stu | ~extrad-devel | 17:59 |
| disco_stu | ~extras-devel | 17:59 |
| infobot | [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 17:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Grr, nautilus really needs to not crash when you open a tab and that results in a error | 18:01 |
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| ron1n | I really wish the tablets came with xrandr | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | It's planned in Fremantle : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 | 18:03 |
| ron1n | you think they're useful when you get debian on them, and then when you use xrandr its a whole different story | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | ron1n: there's rotation kernels and patches, though | 18:04 |
| ron1n | Stskeeps, I know, I'm using it now on my friends n800 =] | 18:04 |
| ron1n | I just didn't even think about it until I came across it on the interweb | 18:04 |
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| ron1n | now that I've tried it, it makes things like menus so much more useful =] | 18:05 |
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| * Stskeeps has been fiddling with a n95 the latest days | 18:07 | |
| Stskeeps | absolutely hated the interface | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, really? I quite happen to like S60 | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, if you really want boxfs, I guess I can be persuaded to run dh_make :P | 18:08 |
| johnx | honestly, I probably wouldn't use it | 18:08 |
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| johnx | I compiled it once and never touched it | 18:08 |
| ron1n | I have one =D | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Same, I don't have a box :P. | 18:08 |
| ron1n | N95 8GB | 18:08 |
| johnx | without a 3G connection I don't really grab big files while away from home | 18:09 |
| ron1n | one word, buggy. Very buggy. After a couple of firmware flashes its pretty stable, but before that it was pretty unstable. | 18:09 |
| ron1n | I was an early adopter, so I don't have 3G in the states | 18:09 |
| ron1n | but if I ever make a eurotrip I will =P | 18:10 |
| * qwerty12 remembers the film and grins | 18:10 | |
| ron1n | not an issue though, a is stands now 3G coverage is crap where I live | 18:10 |
| ron1n | much less when I bought it back in Feb | 18:10 |
| johnx | ah well, my *phone* has 3G, but it doesn't like to talk to my devices :/ | 18:10 |
| johnx | and I don't want it it to since my data plan is not unlimited | 18:11 |
| ron1n | I have an unlimited data plan with AT&T, the rates where quite resonable | 18:11 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what decent data plans are in these days | 18:17 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh, last time I talked to my friend in CPH, he said prepay is expensive :P | 18:17 |
| vincenzo88 | Goodbye everybody ;=) | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i just kinda wonder cos my provider has like mobile broadband, for decent prices, which is data-only.. but it is not possible to link this to a phone, heh | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | and the one able to do that,has insaneprices | 18:22 |
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| jagernot | my synth with menus and settings is ready | 18:40 |
| jagernot | somebody try pls? | 18:41 |
| jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar | 18:41 |
| jagernot | screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png | 18:41 |
| jagernot | features in this version: can select two scales pentatonic and blues from a menu; change BPM by using - and + buttons and select a strumming pattern by pressing the esc key (bottom left on the touch screen) | 18:41 |
| jagernot | quit by pressing home key and kill app from list. | 18:41 |
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| johnx | oooh you fixed the distorion bug | 18:43 |
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| jagernot | mostly fixed unless you decided to went haywire | 18:43 |
| jagernot | go* | 18:43 |
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| woglinde | this will be become a nasty work | 18:45 |
| woglinde | merging xkbdir from old fedora core 5 and diablo | 18:46 |
| woglinde | but do not see another way | 18:46 |
| johnx | woglinde, and why are you doing that? | 18:46 |
| woglinde | johnx for nx stuff | 18:47 |
| johnx | aaah | 18:47 |
| johnx | yeah, I never had good luck with it | 18:47 |
| woglinde | loading nokia.xkm file segfaults the nxagent | 18:47 |
| johnx | I always started playing and never had it work | 18:47 |
| woglinde | hm mom | 18:47 |
| woglinde | I got an idea | 18:47 |
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| woglinde | if I remeber correct I can set xkbdir path on the commandline | 18:48 |
| woglinde | let me check this | 18:48 |
| woglinde | that could be a sort of rescue | 18:48 |
| perseus__ | Trying to use fanoush bootmenu to boot mamona off of the internal SD card. I setup my bootmenu.conf to boot from mmcblk0p1 but when I select that option from the menu it says boot failed. Is there anyway to diagnose why it failed? on the root / of mmcblk0p1 is there a certain file that it is looking for? | 18:50 |
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| johnx | /sbin/init I would imagine | 18:50 |
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| perseus__ | johnx - ok..so there is not other way to determine why it says failed? | 18:51 |
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| johnx | you could use the usb telnet built into bootmenu and step through the process manually | 18:51 |
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| perseus__ | johnx - ok..didn't know that existed. So I just telnet into the tablet while the bootmenu is up? | 18:52 |
| johnx | read the instructions displayed on the screen. :) | 18:53 |
| perseus__ | k | 18:53 |
| johnx | hit menu (? I think) | 18:53 |
| johnx | then plug the tablet into your computer via usb | 18:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 19:24 |
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| johnx | hi | 19:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve uploaded to extras repository pychecker :) | 19:26 |
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| johnx | sorry, what is pychecker? | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | pychecker.sourceforge.net | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Nice, thanks! :) | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | a tool to check some common mistake in python code | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m testing the package to see if all is ok | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... not extras but extras-devel | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | It can always be moved :P | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep but need test before | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Need to finish off little bits and I'll upload hildonised roxterm soon (yes, I know I said this an hour ago :P) | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | what is the interested thing in roxterm ? | 19:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t know it | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's slightly less crap than osso-xterm | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | <qwerty12> nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process) | 19:30 |
| disco_stu | i used roxterm | 19:30 |
| disco_stu | only think i liked where tabs | 19:31 |
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| qwerty12 | yeah, Stskeeps installs it with deblet. The only reason I put it initially in extras-devel was for that purpose | 19:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, note about hildon-desktop in m-r: it doesn't contain /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 19:32 |
| johnx | anyways, time for me to sleep | 19:36 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | night johnx | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: that's funny | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'll look into that | 19:38 |
| johnx | ok, I'll leave it to rebuild overnight here and see if I see anything interesting in the output | 19:38 |
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| Meizirkki | Where goes the line between mojo and maemo-reconstructed? | 19:40 |
| Meizirkki | If i am using mojo project with m-r:s boot packages can i say i am using maemo-reconstructed? | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe.. good question | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | right now it's just a proof of concept so nothing | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | 's sure | 19:45 |
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| Meizirkki | Maemo Reconstructed still sounds a lot cooler :) | 19:46 |
| * Meizirkki is trying to play with hasty-armv6el in qemu | 19:47 | |
| Meizirkki | Mojo guys have released their images for armv6el | 19:49 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: do you have a clue on where lies the wifi antenna on the n800 ? | 19:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | top border i would guess | 19:51 |
| disco_stu | i can guess too, but need precise location | 19:52 |
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| qwerty12 | disco_stu, This precise enough: http://i33.tinypic.com/2d0mbfb.png ;) | 19:56 |
| disco_stu | :) thats the reason i asked you | 19:57 |
| disco_stu | thanks | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:57 |
| guysoft42 | er - what to do if the device gets stuck> | 20:01 |
| Meizirkki | stuck how? | 20:02 |
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| hahlobit | must say that sshd is useful, can log in to stucked diablo and close bad apps | 20:05 |
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| hahlobit | before had to remove battery | 20:08 |
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| xorAxAx | does anyone know whether/why not mojo(.handhelds.org) uses scratchbox like maemo? | 20:12 |
| xorAxAx | they say that they are not cross compiling but using a native (probably) debian env on qemu | 20:12 |
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| GAN800 | They use real ARM hardware | 20:13 |
| Proteous | my n810 is stuck | 20:14 |
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| Proteous | I think it's a combo of peanutbutter and bubblegum | 20:14 |
| AngieQ | mine has gotten stuck before but i just held the power button to shutdown | 20:15 |
| AngieQ | then rebooted | 20:15 |
| hahlobit | how long you have press the button? | 20:16 |
| Proteous | how long you got? | 20:16 |
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| hahlobit | 4sek didn't help | 20:18 |
| hahlobit | but removing battery helps | 20:18 |
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| disco_stu | hahlobit: could you ssh into it ? | 20:19 |
| hahlobit | yes | 20:19 |
| disco_stu | well | 20:19 |
| disco_stu | init 6 | 20:19 |
| disco_stu | is better than removin the battery | 20:19 |
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| hahlobit | thats why i said sshd is useful, didn't have to even reboot just close browser | 20:20 |
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| disco_stu | alright | 20:21 |
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| brphelps | Why is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK, is there binary only blobs? | 20:27 |
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| akshay | hello everyone, this is my first time here and I have a battery management question for the maemo platform | 20:33 |
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| disco_stu | akshay: shoot the boys will answer ya | 20:33 |
| akshay | I have searched and searched but I don't know any function calls that will allow me to query battery life remaining or say battery voltage usage | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | akshay, adv-power? | 20:34 |
| akshay | is that a package | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | akshay, re battery life remaining, that can be obtained from dbus | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | s/from/via | 20:34 |
| akshay | Antilles, what about voltage monitoring. | 20:34 |
| brphelps | Hi all, is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK? | 20:35 |
| akshay | I have never used dbus before is there a direct call available? | 20:35 |
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| disco_stu | akshay: http://nitapps.com/ | 20:35 |
| RST38h | General: Can we please changed Educational to Education? | 20:35 |
| RST38h | General: KotCzarny noticed it today - it is the only adjective among nouns on the category list | 20:36 |
| madhav | did anyone get strace on arm running..? | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12 | madhav, it's in the sdk repo. | 20:36 |
| madhav | ok | 20:37 |
| akshay | disco: say nitapps already, even viewed the python code | 20:38 |
| akshay | I guess I was more interested in finding battery energy usage | 20:38 |
| akshay | I have no leads yet on how to do that | 20:39 |
| akshay | disco: seen not say, sorry about that | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | akshay, if this does what you want (run it as root) : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt , then look at : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt.c | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I thought it was Education. | 20:40 |
| * lcuk2 karate chops qwerty12's new power adapter | 20:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It was last time I checked, anyway. | 20:40 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk2, lol :P. This one works brilliant, ac-5x ftw :P | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, hrm, yeah, I completely missed that. | 20:41 |
| lcuk2 | lol, you need to get nokia to supply you one with a soldered on chainlink charger | 20:41 |
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| qwerty12 | heh | 20:42 |
| RST38h | General: I almost fixed it this morning but then saw that some translations also have it this way | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I changed it. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody will need to review the translations. . . . | 20:43 |
| akshay | qwerty: thanks, I am looking into it | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | akshay: lshal | 20:47 |
| brphelps | I'd really like to install the SDK on a 64 bit machine without a VM, is that possible | 20:47 |
| brphelps | ? | 20:47 |
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| akshay | stskeeps: thanks, this is great! It shows the battery voltage as well. Should I be looking at the hal database api to get these values? | 20:51 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, chinook hildonised roxterm in extras-devel. Waiting for diablo one to be built... (I also took the liberty of updating roxterm to 1.13) | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/13/darpa_aware_ware_srs_go/ | 21:24 |
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| LinuxCode | now lets attach nuclear weapons to that thing and death will be more swift | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | there has to be some sort of population control | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 21:27 |
| RST38h | no | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | Attaching nuclear weapons will prevent hunting humans with lasers in urban theater unrealistic | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | The Really Good Solution will actually hunt humans for energy and spare parts | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | god you hate people dont you ? | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Not really, why? | 21:29 |
| * RST38h just likes a good show | 21:29 | |
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| LinuxCode | RST38h, haha | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | "show" | 21:29 |
| LinuxCode | De you filthy humans! Die! | 21:29 |
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| LinuxCode | Die | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | There is a joke about a little girl playing in a sandbox, tearing the head off the teddy bear | 21:31 |
| RST38h | A passerby asks: What are you doing, girl? Don't you like animals? | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | And the girl answers: Well, I don't even like the humans... | 21:32 |
| disco_stu | RST38h: is not funny | 21:33 |
| * deejoe blinks | 21:33 | |
| disco_stu | anyone used Tor in the nit ? | 21:34 |
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| brphelps | Is alsa available for the n770? | 21:40 |
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| disco_stu | brphelps: dunno | 21:42 |
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| brphelps | I have an app I'd like to port that uses alsa and fftw, is there a libfftw port? | 21:43 |
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| brphelps | Has anyone here written code for the DSP core in the OMAP? | 21:45 |
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| lcuk2 | im sure some people have | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Like, say, lardman|gone. | 21:55 |
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| lcuk2 | yeah, but since hes |gone it wasnt fulfilling his query | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may at a later date, though. | 21:56 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh, if we are answering like that, lets put qwerty forward then, hes gonna get his fingers in that pie one day | 21:57 |
| lcuk2 | ;) | 21:57 |
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| lcuk2 | i was gonna mention lardman anyway, but brphelps seems to have run away | 21:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn, left my Firewire 800 cable down south. . . . | 21:58 |
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| brphelps | lcuck2: I'm here | 22:00 |
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| lcuk2 | what do you want the dsp for (im just nosey, i dont know anything about it myself) | 22:02 |
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| lcuk2 | actually, nm im goin | 22:03 |
| lcuk2 | bbl | 22:03 |
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| brphelps | need fft of audio data for analysis | 22:04 |
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| brphelps | When I try to install maemo sdk I get E: Add user with '/home/brphelps/sb2/sbin/sbox_adduser brphelps' | 22:16 |
| brphelps | but I can't find /sbox_adduser brphelps | 22:16 |
| brphelps | but I can't find /sbox_adduser | 22:16 |
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| Meiz_n810 | hmm, strange problem with xorg | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | n810 hw keyboard does not work | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | at all | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have gnome installed | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | not even the enter key | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | probably something to deal with HAL or alikes.. note it as a bug i guess | 22:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | it worked before.. | 22:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | at least enter key | 22:58 |
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| Meiz_n810 | when i start xorg, first comes up a little screen that contains all that text i have tried to type... Then the xorg comes up and keyboard stops woring | 23:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | *working | 23:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i should start all over again... i don't like gnome... too heavy | 23:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | are there lxde packages for mojo somewhere? | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | possibly | 23:06 |
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