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| crashanddie | You'd be amazed :P | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | Nah, I've seen the rest of the people | 00:01 |
| crashanddie | oh, and just for the record | 00:01 |
| Steve__ | Jaffa, how was the first day of the summit? | 00:01 |
| crashanddie | I will *never* be a candidate for the council | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | Steve__: good | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, it doesn't matter. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | There will be no more elections. ;) | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: not buff enough? | 00:02 |
| Steve__ | Jaffa: is everyone who was at OSiM still there? | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | Steve__: AFAICT | 00:02 |
| Steve__ | cool | 00:02 |
| brontide | Jaffa: you should head down to the McFit | 00:02 |
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| Steve__ | hah, we passed that on the train | 00:03 |
| Steve__ | is it a gym? | 00:03 |
| brontide | Yep | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I work out and run on a daily basis | 00:03 |
| woglinde | steve 24 hours open or so | 00:03 |
| Jaffa | good grief | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | By that he means, "run to the fridge". :P | 00:03 |
| Steve__ | nice one, jamie and I almost missed the flight home today | 00:03 |
| Steve__ | went to see checkpoint charlie, and got lost | 00:03 |
| * Jaffa would rather have Blink182 or Bryan Adams, Buckfizz or S-Club 7 than this noise, btw | 00:04 | |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I played rugby, paintball on a competition level, and also did competition boxing | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | That is bad. | 00:04 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: got a Gtalk account? I'll vid conf it over to you so you can say hello ;-) | 00:05 |
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| smackpotato | how do i get nice | 00:06 |
| smackpotato | or install core utilities | 00:07 |
| qwerty12-N800 | meh installing coreutils is more trouble than it's worth ;). dpkg -x it out from a coreutils deb | 00:07 |
| Steve__ | did anyone see the User Interface keynote? | 00:08 |
| * mgedmin prefers "this noise" to the ms windows startup sound | 00:08 | |
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| smackpotato | thanks qw ill see how to do that | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: after about 3 hours of nthe same tho.... | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, how is that bad? | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | but imagine 3 hours of looped ms windows startup sound | 00:09 |
| * mgedmin shudders | 00:09 | |
| qwerty12-N800 | Jaffa: don't most people continually hear the sound of windows startup anyway? :p | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:09 |
| * Jaffa wonders about recording this and putting it somewhere for the channel to here. | 00:10 | |
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| Jaffa | Anyone interested, tablet call aflegg@gmail.com... | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | "Your email address has won £182,000 Great British pounds (GBP) in the | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | ongoing NOKIA MOBILE PROMO." | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | woo! | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | If on fremantle, we could have a conf call.... | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | (targeted spam, i like it.) | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, why wait for fremantle? | 00:11 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: my email address has a ferrari. i have to threaten it with knuckledusters before it hands over keys | 00:12 |
| Steve__ | nice alpha blending jaffa | 00:13 |
| Steve__ | floating head? | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | indeed | 00:13 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: we're missing you, free beer | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | underage girlls | 00:15 |
| lardman | and 15 yo gils | 00:15 |
| Steve__ | bullshit | 00:15 |
| lardman | girls even | 00:15 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lardman: hehe | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | we weren't interested | 00:15 |
| lardman | but thought of qwert of course | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | of course | 00:15 |
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| lardman | hmm, typing not so good on little kb, nothing to do with beer | 00:16 |
| Steve__ | i was disturbed by the number of hookers on the one street | 00:16 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Steve__: name of street please? | 00:16 |
| Steve__ | heh | 00:16 |
| qwerty12-N800 | :p | 00:16 |
| Jaffa | long/lat | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, how about we make sure we go to the next NIT con together? | 00:17 |
| woglinde | Steve__ oranienburger? | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, maybe your mummy will let you leave if I get her to trust me (will take about 10 minutes) | 00:17 |
| Steve__ | where 24 am pm is | 00:18 |
| Steve__ | hackesher markt or something | 00:18 |
| lardman | where are you lcuk? | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk ! | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | lardman, he's at c-base, lol | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk@echelon.ext.c-base.org | 00:18 |
| woglinde | Steve__ yes its oranienburger strasse | 00:18 |
| jott | rm_you MIA | 00:18 |
| Steve__ | is it not illegal? | 00:18 |
| lardman | crashanddie: i'm sat in there | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | orange burger road? | 00:18 |
| woglinde | Steve its tolerated | 00:18 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie: lol :p. anyway, i'm 16 in a month so... | 00:19 |
| jott | i started lcuk client | 00:19 |
| Steve__ | fair enough | 00:19 |
| Steve__ | they all carry bum bags | 00:19 |
| Steve__ | i found that amusing | 00:19 |
| jott | should be back any minute | 00:19 |
| woglinde | crashanddie no oranienburg is a small city north of berlin | 00:19 |
| crashanddie | lardman, well my answer was valid nonetheless | 00:19 |
| Steve__ | are the bum bags used to store crack? | 00:19 |
| crashanddie | i would say "bum bags" are already a crack | 00:20 |
| woglinde | Steve meebey | 00:20 |
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| Steve__ | hmmm | 00:20 |
| jott | hey lcuk | 00:20 |
| lardman | oi lcuk, which side of the bar are you on? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | in cabase jott installeed it for me | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | near backddoor | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | are you drunk? | 00:22 |
| lardman | hi | 00:22 |
| lcuk | hey lardman lookup | 00:22 |
| lcuk | very | 00:23 |
| lardman | sort of | 00:23 |
| lcuk | hi crash | 00:23 |
| lcuk | pm me | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | hey pal | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | k | 00:23 |
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| jott | free beer does not imply getting drunk...harhar | 00:23 |
| Steve__ | you obviously aren't drinking enough | 00:23 |
| yacoob | F1. | 00:23 |
| yacoob | Canola sucks. What was the other, nonsucking media player capable of playing from upnp av? | 00:24 |
| jott | we can still type on a n810 keyboard :) | 00:24 |
| Steve__ | jott: then you definitely haven't been drinking enough | 00:24 |
| woglinde | jott *g* | 00:24 |
| jott | Steve__: well i guess beer does not make one drunk | 00:25 |
| jott | it's more of a softdrink | 00:25 |
| Steve__ | what kind of beer are you drinking? | 00:25 |
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| jott | hefeweizen | 00:26 |
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| woglinde | that's no beer | 00:26 |
| jott | schneiders weisse 5.4% vol :) | 00:26 |
| woglinde | blood hound gang whould say it's "kuhpisse" | 00:27 |
| jott | delicious softdrink ;) | 00:27 |
| Steve__ | i had a white russian last night | 00:27 |
| * jott is not a pils-man | 00:27 | |
| Steve__ | there were lumps in the milk | 00:27 |
| woglinde | white russian rocks | 00:28 |
| jott | Kahlua | 00:28 |
| Steve__ | not with lumpy milk! | 00:28 |
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| jott | rm_you is still on the toilet.... . . | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | queue? :> | 00:31 |
| lardman | lcuk, what's your gmail? come on link-local | 00:31 |
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| mgedmin810 | hi, jott :) | 00:32 |
| lcuk | hmmm just a mo im tethered and talkin to my good m8 | 00:32 |
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| jott | hello you there on the other side of the table | 00:32 |
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| Steve__ | was the summit recorded? | 00:34 |
| woglinde | Steve__ yes | 00:34 |
| jott | Steve__: so part of it | 00:34 |
| jott | some | 00:34 |
| Steve__ | PyPy Python for Maemo (by Holger Krekel and/or Maciej Fijalkowski). | 00:34 |
| Steve__ | that's the bit i'm after | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | oh, i'd have loved to see that one | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | (i actually made pypy run once on maemo.. long ago) | 00:35 |
| jott | it was just 4 minutes | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | still :P | 00:35 |
| woglinde | hehe | 00:35 |
| woglinde | lightning talk? | 00:35 |
| jott | better talk to the actual people | 00:36 |
| jott | yeah woglinde | 00:36 |
| jott | it was more of a promotion talk than a content talk | 00:36 |
| Steve__ | i wanted to go, but couldn't change flights | 00:37 |
| woglinde | I thought this lightning talks for | 00:37 |
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| jott | woglinde: yeah just to make it clear | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | brb | 00:38 |
| Steve__ | Stskeeps: how did you get it to run? i'm having real trouble getting impacket and pcapy packaged up | 00:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Steve__: pypy? through scratchbox mostly and some hacks | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | long long time ago | 00:42 |
| woglinde | hm first android cellphone next tuesday | 00:42 |
| Steve__ | hmm | 00:42 |
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| woglinde | only 200 bucks | 00:43 |
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| jott | htc announced it for 23th, right? | 00:44 |
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| mgedmin810 | waah my browser just crashed | 00:44 |
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| woglinde | yes next tuesday is 23th | 00:44 |
| woglinde | and t-kom usa annouced it | 00:44 |
| jott | 23 has to be the date ;) | 00:44 |
| * jott can remember 23s | 00:45 | |
| lardman | bed time, night all | 00:45 |
| woglinde | hm maybee the htc dream will have eabi | 00:46 |
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| woglinde | nite lardman | 00:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 23th is the day of the server upgrades, too. | 00:49 |
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| woglinde | GeneralAntilles hehe | 00:50 |
| mgedmin810 | upgrade all yr srvrs to android phones1 | 00:50 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:50 |
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| Steve__ | http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif | 00:51 |
| towo | oh, look | 00:51 |
| Steve__ | grr | 00:51 |
| towo | It's the image flickr puts in front of photos | 00:51 |
| Steve__ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869591803/in/set-72157607375406663/ | 00:52 |
| Steve__ | is it just me, or is that a bit of a sausage-fest? | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a Linux conference, what do you expect? | 00:52 |
| Steve__ | very true | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/in/set-72157607375406663/ | 00:54 |
| crashanddie | interesting | 00:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stands to be very slick | 00:56 |
| Steve__ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869588939/in/set-72157607375406663/ | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | too bad it's 6-8 months away. | 00:56 |
| Steve__ | more interesting | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was ready for OMAP3 when the N810 came out. . . . | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creeper | 00:56 |
| Steve__ | heh | 00:56 |
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| yacoob | uh, timidity for maemo... | 00:57 |
| yacoob | why on earth would I want to use it? 8) | 00:57 |
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| crashanddie | Any videos/reports about the summit so far? | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are plenty of reports. | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not many videos, though. | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are, apparently, coming next week. | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | blhttp://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869746283/in/set-72157607344621047/eh | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | that wasn't supposed to happen | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | "bleh" | 01:02 |
| jott | crashanddie: there where some private video cams around. probably takes some time to process | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | jott, no official recordings? | 01:02 |
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| jott | no | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | baloo is transcoding his HD stuff on Monday. | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | we'll have to take of that for the next time | 01:03 |
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| woglinde | nite | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie | For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | C-SPAN coverage of the event? | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | lol | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | not C-SPAN | 01:06 |
| jott | hey you got live irc coverage what do you expect more ;) | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | But well, HOPE manages to do this kind of shit | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | I'd expect Nokia to be able to do the same | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | And I have all the hardware back in France | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | it's just a matter of transporting it | 01:07 |
| jott | connecting people?! | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connecting creepers on the internet to Linux conferences. | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | "Next week, on 'Life of Ryan'" | 01:08 |
| jott | i'll have to look for rm_you ... | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | "Well, I was trying to get the beagle board running, and suddenly, it all went dark" | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jott, conference room. . . . | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, that sounds like it should be a Monty Python production. :P | 01:10 |
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| yacoob | anyone tried using mokopedia on n8x0? | 01:11 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: the mans conference room, eh? | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, no, leave him in it. ;) | 01:11 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's actually a real show | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well shiver me timbers. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That it is. | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/television/Life_Of_Ryan/56871/S2E5.html?aid=214095 | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | proof | 01:12 |
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| dystopia | talkers get mic <- uhm, yes, duh? :-) | 02:04 |
| dystopia | i mean else the rest in the room can't even freakin' hear the Q | 02:04 |
| Steve__ | pardon? | 02:05 |
| dystopia | on a conference the person who is speaking must have a microphone one way or another | 02:06 |
| Steve__ | indeed | 02:07 |
| dystopia | else hardly everyone in the room (especially those sitting behind the questioner) cannot head him | 02:07 |
| Steve__ | what's the context? | 02:07 |
| dystopia | nor can anyone who watches vid (because camera is in back of room) | 02:07 |
| dystopia | 00:06 < crashanddie> For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop | 02:07 |
| Steve__ | ah yes | 02:08 |
| dystopia | im already superglad with the reports thus far dont get me wrong | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | dystopia, what I meant by that, is that the sound is to be recorded | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | dystopia, not just channelled to some speakers so the crowd can hear | 02:09 |
| dystopia | its just, for the people on the conference, its rather sad they can't follow.. the conference they're attending? :-) | 02:09 |
| dystopia | yeayea.. perhaps.. maybe we should have gone to there.. its nokia's loss, mostly;-) | 02:09 |
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| dystopia | but those ppl on the conference.. they there.. can't even hear the question.. LOL.. had this on FOSDEM a few times.. | 02:10 |
| bucketj | have a question about installing microb-browser | 02:10 |
| dystopia | microphone getting past allong the whole room :-) | 02:10 |
| bucketj | i get two dependency errors | 02:10 |
| dystopia | pass it on :-) | 02:10 |
| bucketj | maemo-browser-dialogs and maemo-browser-widgets | 02:10 |
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| bucketj | where can i get these packages? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | bucketj, install on what? | 02:10 |
| bucketj | i'm trying to install the mozilla browser here: | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | dystopia, it's usually better practice to have a stand with mic people walk up to in order to ask a question | 02:11 |
| dystopia | crashanddie: so, it is a different issue than the fact we got no live material other than text reports | 02:11 |
| bucketj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/microb-browser/ | 02:11 |
| bucketj | and when i try to install it says two packages are missing | 02:11 |
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| bucketj | and it's maemo-browser-widgets and maemo-browser-dialogs | 02:11 |
| bucketj | but i don't know where to find those | 02:11 |
| dystopia | crashanddie: yes, possisble, but some folks dont like to stand before a crowd | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | dystopia, I can't be arsed to think of that, frankly | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | dystopia, you ask a question, you stand up | 02:11 |
| dystopia | stand up, sure, but stand before crowd is different | 02:12 |
| Steve__ | why should they stand up and walk to a mike to ask a question? | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | bucketj, first question, why are you even trying to install the browser? Don't you have the browser installed ? | 02:12 |
| bucketj | i have the opera one that the 770 came with | 02:12 |
| dystopia | crashanddie: maybe if you had general anxiety disorder you'd understand :-) | 02:12 |
| bucketj | now i'm trying to install the mozilla-based one | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | Steve__, because it solves the problem of having to pass the mic through the whole room? | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | bucketj, Nokia 770 right? | 02:13 |
| bucketj | yeah | 02:13 |
| bucketj | running os2007HE | 02:13 |
| Steve__ | why not have someone walking around with the mic, handing it to the person who wants to ask the question? | 02:13 |
| * dystopia is drunk :0) | 02:13 | |
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| dystopia | throw a wireless mic through the crowd | 02:13 |
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| dystopia | whoever lets it fall on ground stays to clean the building till its clean :-) | 02:13 |
| crashanddie | wireless mic == expensive and impractical in my experience | 02:13 |
| dystopia | headset + sip :D | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | bucketj, the newer releases of OS2007HE already come with MicroB. . . . | 02:14 |
| bucketj | i just downloaded a new release yesterday and didn't come with it | 02:14 |
| bucketj | huh | 02:14 |
| dystopia | don't take me too serious im bit wasted;lddddd | 02:14 |
| dystopia | hhii | 02:14 |
| Steve__ | crashanddie: impractical, how? | 02:14 |
| bucketj | oh. ha. so it is. | 02:15 |
| AStorm | wireless mics are very practical | 02:15 |
| bucketj | then why doesn't google reader or google mail load properly | 02:15 |
| AStorm | and not too expensive | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | bucketj, because they're big heavy js applications? | 02:15 |
| AStorm | less expensive than gearing chairs with mics | 02:15 |
| bucketj | well i thought that was the point of microb | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say we gear AStorm with a mic and walk him around. | 02:16 |
| crashanddie | Steve__, battery fails, poor signal, can be stolen | 02:16 |
| AStorm | bucketj: you want more RAM for those, n770 is failing at it | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | bucketj, the 770 is old. | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enable swap. | 02:16 |
| bucketj | true | 02:16 |
| AStorm | uhm, yes, s/n770/770/ | 02:16 |
| AStorm | yes, you need more swap | 02:16 |
| bucketj | how do i enable swap | 02:16 |
| crashanddie | 02:16 | |
| AStorm | and it will work *slow* | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Control panel. | 02:16 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: paying me is more expensive | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | I don't see the problem with having a centralised stand where people go ask a question | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft. Pay? | 02:17 |
| AStorm | but anyway, you still need someone to give that mic | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, increasing the barrier to entry for asking questions is a bad plan. | 02:17 |
| AStorm | throwing mics destroys them quickly | 02:17 |
| Steve__ | it's impractical | 02:17 |
| AStorm | and can cause accidents | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | what the? | 02:17 |
| AStorm | a good idea is to have a few stationary wired mics | 02:18 |
| AStorm | so that interested people can come to them | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, exactly what I said | 02:18 |
| AStorm | usually works well-enough | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | thank you | 02:18 |
| AStorm | worse than wireless mics of course :> | 02:18 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: be sure to have the mixer or preamp somewhere close | 02:19 |
| AStorm | to enable/disable them at will | 02:19 |
| AStorm | or some sound guy | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jMKRnea_3rE | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | no problem | 02:20 |
| AStorm | people tend to mess up when faced with switches on mics | 02:21 |
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| crashanddie | AStorm, I'm an experienced sound engineer, like I said, I have the equipment, I'd love to take of it the next time | 02:23 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: excellent | 02:23 |
| Steve__ | crashanddie: did you go to the maemo summit? | 02:23 |
| Steve__ | are you at* | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | I didn't | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | sadly | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | take care of it** | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, the biggest problem of course, would be getting the equipment to the next conference | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bet you can talk Nokia into it. | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, if the conference is over a 1000 km from southern france, it'll probably be cheaper to rent stuff | 02:25 |
| bucketj | the html version of gmail works pretty well | 02:26 |
| AStorm | pity I won't be able to go there :/ | 02:26 |
| AStorm | going 1000 km far in the middle of day studies is hard | 02:26 |
| AStorm | unless I'll get international exchange there... but I don't know French ;P | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | I don't know how much it weighs, but I'd say something around 150-200kg, so carrying it with me on a plane is impossible | 02:27 |
| AStorm | treat it as baggage | 02:27 |
| AStorm | but then, it may arrive later than you or such stuff | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | lol | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | 200kg == 400lb | 02:28 |
| AStorm | I know | 02:28 |
| Steve__ | travel light? | 02:28 |
| AStorm | it will cost a fortune anyway ;P | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | that's my whole point | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you should be able to lug that around no problem, Mr. Buff. :P | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, haha | 02:28 |
| AStorm | eh, 200 kg on wheels is easy enough | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | the problem isn't so much the weight | 02:29 |
| AStorm | but needs a few persons to move | 02:29 |
| AStorm | at least 2 | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | it's the sheer size | 02:29 |
| bucketj | can the 770 take two mem cards? | 02:29 |
| bucketj | is there a slot for one internally? | 02:29 |
| AStorm | bucketj: yes | 02:29 |
| bucketj | under the battery or what? | 02:29 |
| AStorm | yes | 02:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol? | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, the 770 just has one RS-MMC slot. :P | 02:30 |
| bucketj | that's what i figured | 02:30 |
| AStorm | hmm, ok, I failed | 02:30 |
| AStorm | n800 has two | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50 lashings! | 02:30 |
| AStorm | ;P | 02:30 |
| bucketj | i guess the 2007 HE is just assuming i'm on an 800 or something | 02:30 |
| AStorm | it is hacked version of n800 software, yes | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | renting out a decent equipment for a few days will probably cost you around 1200-2000euro, maybe a bit more depending on the size of the place you have to rig | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | but if I can't drive to it, renting will definitely be cheaper that moving it around | 02:31 |
| Steve__ | http://cnettv.cnet.com/9742-1_53-50003669.html | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | in other words, do the next con in Paris | 02:32 |
| Steve__ | this would be impressive on the tablets | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | Steve__, I have a version that works pretty well | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, make Nokia pay. | 02:32 |
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| crashanddie | Steve__, I just need to work on the algorithm a bit more, I wanted a very ugly version working fast | 02:33 |
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| Steve__ | what you writing in? | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk is also working on it, within liqbase | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | Steve__, mine is just basic C++ with SDL graphics | 02:33 |
| melmoth | next.con.in.paris++ | 02:34 |
| Steve__ | cool | 02:34 |
| bucketj | when you enable swap on the 770 | 02:34 |
| bucketj | does it extend the memory to the mmc card? | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | bucketj, yup | 02:34 |
| AStorm | you could call it that | 02:34 |
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| Steve__ | i've never really got into C++ | 02:35 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: it's RIPOFF | 02:36 |
| robink | How do you reflash the kernel portion of the initfs? I want to see if I can get ipv6.ko to autoload again. | 02:36 |
| AStorm | that's what dasher does | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | robink, kernel isn't part of initfs. | 02:37 |
| robink | oops | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, yeah, it's ripoff, so fucking what? | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher | 02:37 |
| infobot | flasher is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 02:37 |
| robink | I just want a modules.dep. | 02:37 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: I want that for keyboard | 02:38 |
| AStorm | with 10 keys | 02:38 |
| AStorm | could almost be like chorded keyboard for words | 02:38 |
| crashanddie | wait, what? | 02:38 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: ok, it sucks too | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | I lost ya | 02:39 |
| AStorm | it is a standard dictionary-based system | 02:39 |
| AStorm | non-dynamic | 02:39 |
| AStorm | T9 for touchscreen | 02:39 |
| AStorm | = fail | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | robink, if you're talking about the kernel modules on the initfs, just remount /mnt/initfs rw | 02:40 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Ahh. | 02:40 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: That'll fix things? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've got about 2MB to play with on Diablo. | 02:40 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: and I suspect some equally pointless lawyer will enable that to be patented | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming you're going to go into the initfs to fix whatever you did. | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know what you broke. :P | 02:40 |
| AStorm | gah | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, we have a visual keyboard | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, and Apple had a patent on that IIRC | 02:41 |
| AStorm | yes, done with Newton | 02:41 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:41 |
| robink | GeneralAntilles: Maemo clobbered modules.dep when I upgraded the kernel modules. | 02:41 |
| AStorm | but they messed the application up | 02:41 |
| AStorm | so it ended up more specific than just a visual touchscreen keyboard | 02:41 |
| AStorm | anyway, we could take the idea further | 02:42 |
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| AStorm | create a 2D dasher-like system | 02:43 |
| AStorm | with flashy rectangles-in-your-face look too :> | 02:43 |
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| AStorm | just an adaptive optimization of standard keyboard | 02:44 |
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| AStorm | where predicted letters get bigger screen area | 02:45 |
| AStorm | bonus if it's thumb-optimized | 02:45 |
| AStorm | I suspect someone has patented that already anyway | 02:46 |
| AStorm | if not, I'll try that ;P | 02:46 |
| AStorm | that swipe is no better than dasher which uses whole words | 02:47 |
| AStorm | (except the vertigo part, which is easily solvable) | 02:48 |
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| robink | Anybody know why a modules upgrade would blow away modules.dep? | 02:58 |
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| bucketj | is there an easy way to kill a fullscreen app that is not responding? | 03:16 |
| robink | bucketj: killall or pkill? | 03:17 |
| bucketj | how would i call that on the 770 though | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Press the home button | 03:18 |
| robink | or the home button :-S | 03:18 |
| robink | <-- embarassed | 03:18 |
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| bucketj | and are there any passable themes for the 2007HE OS? | 03:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Plankton | 03:23 |
| bucketj | weird. maemo site's install link doesn't seem to work | 03:29 |
| bucketj | oh i can add the rep ok | 03:31 |
| bucketj | yeah plankton is nice | 03:36 |
| bucketj | what screen resolution do wallpapers need to be on the 770? | 03:37 |
| bucketj | nvm found it. | 03:37 |
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| bucketj | are there any decent desktop applets. i have no need for weather on my 770 | 03:42 |
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| lcuk | stupid bt kb | 03:46 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm trying to install tiemu from Yann's repo...but I'm getting a 404...any suggestions? | 07:31 |
| dick-richardson | just use chinook? | 07:33 |
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| rm_you | why am i awake >_< | 08:40 |
| rm_you | and how on earth do i not have a hangover?! | 08:41 |
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| Proteous | heh | 08:44 |
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| rm_you | something is wrong with the world. | 08:55 |
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| Jaredu | yo | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | anyone know how to get MaQii working on n810? | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | i click launch for single player and it does nothing | 09:02 |
| Jaredu | i also have a question about maemo mapper | 09:02 |
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| Jaredu | hmm | 09:04 |
| Jaredu | thats somewhat depressing | 09:04 |
| Jaredu | noone talks D: | 09:04 |
| jiiv | sorry about that :) hi there. | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | heya | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | any clue on how to get maQii Quake ii working on n810? | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | or maemo maps | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | or both ;) | 09:05 |
| jiiv | of those i've only used maemo maps... let me see if i can find the page with prereqs, just a sec. | 09:05 |
| Jaredu | mmk | 09:05 |
| jiiv | i believe i downloaded flite and sqlite first ...still looking for the page i followed though. what does it do when you try to install? | 09:08 |
| Jaredu | i got maemo maps installed | 09:08 |
| Jaredu | but the gps i have no clue how to make it lock | 09:08 |
| jiiv | oh, gotcha. is this on an n810? | 09:08 |
| Jaredu | yes | 09:08 |
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| jiiv | and it's never locked so far? | 09:09 |
| Jaredu | im not sure how to make it lock | 09:09 |
| Jaredu | i deleted the maps folder when i got my n810 a day or two ago | 09:09 |
| jiiv | does the little satellite icon appear at the top of the screen when you open maemo-mapper? | 09:09 |
| Jaredu | one sec | 09:09 |
| Jaredu | nope | 09:10 |
| Jaredu | one sec | 09:10 |
| Jaredu | brb | 09:10 |
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| Jaredu | gives me error connecting to gpsd server: retry? | 09:11 |
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| jiiv | what shows up under settings on the gps tab? | 09:11 |
| rm_you | in the maemo mapper settings window there is a tab about selecting the gps unit to use, and then in the menu there is a checkbox for enable gps | 09:11 |
| jiiv | mine has the radio button for bluetooth selected, and nothing in the blank after it. | 09:11 |
| rm_you | yes blank bluetooth = internal | 09:12 |
| jiiv | i bet yours is set to gpsd host. | 09:12 |
| Jaredu | yeah | 09:13 |
| Jaredu | its set to gpsd | 09:13 |
| Jaredu | i do have agps installed so that should help | 09:13 |
| Jaredu | ah | 09:13 |
| Jaredu | i see sattellite icon | 09:13 |
| Jaredu | establishing fix | 09:14 |
| jiiv | it may take a while the first time. seems to help if the tablet is vertical. | 09:14 |
| rm_you | also in th menu, under gps there is gpsinfo which is useful | 09:14 |
| Jaredu | ah neat | 09:14 |
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| Jaredu | and maemo maps is free right? | 09:15 |
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| rm_you | yes. | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | awesome | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | would i still need the maps folder that came with wayfinder? | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | cause i deleted that and freed 1.5gb | 09:15 |
| rm_you | no | 09:15 |
| jiiv | maemo-mapper is definitely one of the killer apps for the 810 | 09:15 |
| jiiv | nope. | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | ah ok | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | awesome | 09:15 |
| Jaredu | 5.5gb free then :D | 09:15 |
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| rm_you | though the only downside is that you have to let the program download tons of map tiles in png format, since it doesn't use vector maps | 09:17 |
| Jaredu | :( | 09:17 |
| Jaredu | how do i get the maps if its not connected to the internet? | 09:17 |
| jiiv | they're not horribly large, though. | 09:17 |
| jiiv | jaredu: you can't, have to download ahead of time. | 09:18 |
| n800m | yes they are :/ | 09:18 |
| jiiv | well, horribly is relative i suppose :) | 09:18 |
| Jaredu | ah | 09:18 |
| Jaredu | where would i download the maps o.O | 09:18 |
| rm_you | either download your city and be done with it, or download along the routes you plan before trips | 09:18 |
| rm_you | menu | 09:18 |
| Jaredu | heh | 09:18 |
| n800m | i hope you live in a small town | 09:19 |
| n800m | maybe a village | 09:19 |
| rm_you | it can either download based on where you're viewing or along plotted routes automatically | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | hmm | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | well | 09:19 |
| Jaredu | im in texas >.< | 09:19 |
| jiiv | really? where at? | 09:19 |
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| Jaredu | near austin | 09:20 |
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| jiiv | ah, neat. i'm up near denton. | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | ah | 09:20 |
| rm_you | i have all of seattle and san antonio downloaded... not small cities :P | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | lol | 09:20 |
| rm_you | ah i go to school in SA | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | i go to school in austin | 09:20 |
| jiiv | apparently it's texan night or something in here. | 09:20 |
| rm_you | in berlin for the summit currently though | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | 45 miles | 09:20 |
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| Jaredu | to and fro | 09:20 |
| Jaredu | 90 miles a day for class :( | 09:21 |
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| rm_you | thats why it is so quiet. everyone is in berlin right now and it is 8am | 09:21 |
| jiiv | i wish i'd known about it ahead of time; i love berlin. | 09:21 |
| Jaredu | heh | 09:21 |
| rm_you | and it was free beer all night last night, tab picked up by nokia :P so only the insane people are currently conscious | 09:22 |
| jiiv | heh. | 09:23 |
| Jaredu | gps is still working on getting a fix >.< | 09:23 |
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| Jaredu | heh | 09:23 |
| jiiv | if you have the opportunity, i highly recommend that you check out http://www.berlinerunterwelten.de/en/001/001.htm while you're there. neat tours. | 09:23 |
| Jaredu | salesperson now are we? ;) | 09:24 |
| rm_you | very low on time now :( but thanks | 09:24 |
| jiiv | no, i just really enjoyed it. they took us on a tour of an underground civil defense bunker and some abandoned subway tunnels that hadn't been used since before the cold war. | 09:24 |
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| Jaredu | gps still at 1/5 | 09:27 |
| Jaredu | wtf L* | 09:27 |
| jiiv | :/ you may be in a place that sucks. can you try moving it near a window or higher or anything? | 09:28 |
| t_s_o | hmm, free beer and tech, sounds a bit counterproductive... | 09:28 |
| jiiv | yeah, but beer's cheaper than water in berlin :) | 09:29 |
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| elekt | and some of it is water | 09:29 |
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| jott | morning :) | 09:31 |
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| jott | t_s_o: always remember the ballmer peak | 09:31 |
| t_s_o | jott: developers^1000? | 09:32 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:37 |
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| jiiv | hi there. | 09:37 |
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| Jaffa | Next device is going to have haptic feedback, according to Peter's just loose tongue... | 09:52 |
| jiiv | haptic? like a vibrating alert? | 09:53 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 09:54 |
| jiiv | that would be a nice feature, though maybe hard on battery life. | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Cool. Any ideas on how the device will be suited for gaming? | 09:55 |
| Jaffa | No hints | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | K, thanks. | 09:55 |
| Jaffa | Better hardware (processor & 3D), but in terms of input; nope. | 09:55 |
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| jott | hki | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know if mac80211 was backported to 2.6.21? If not, I guess I'll grab the latest linux-omap tree via git :/ | 10:03 |
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| Mek | hmm.. anyone else have the idea that the network at the summit is much slower than yesterday? | 10:26 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse fucking linux losing my wpa key | 10:34 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fucking linux losing my wpa key ! | 10:34 |
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| _berto_ | good morning guys | 10:35 |
| tigert | morning | 10:36 |
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| Mek | hmm... too bad... I get the hildon-input-method bar thingy when running a presentation in kpresenter on my tablet :( | 10:54 |
| tigert | turn off text completion | 10:54 |
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| jiiv | tigert: how does one turn off text completion? | 11:01 |
| Mek | (And how does one do it in a qt application :) ) | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | Go to control panel and it's in the input settings iirc | 11:02 |
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| qwerty12 | If not, time to break out gconf-editor ;) | 11:02 |
| jiiv | ah, it's under text input settings >languages>settings | 11:03 |
| jiiv | thanks much, i've really been wanting to get rid of that :) | 11:03 |
| * qwerty12 rejoices as I master the art of writing to nvram using a cgi and a web page | 11:04 | |
| Mek | ah yeah, that works; thanks | 11:05 |
| tigert | yea, in controlpanel, sorry | 11:05 |
| Mek | now I only have to actually create my maemo-on-kde lightning-talk presentation :) I can at least run it on my tablet with kpresenter | 11:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, that's cool. How will you be presenting it? | 11:06 |
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| Mek | using the camera that is here anyway to show what's on your tablet | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | k :) | 11:07 |
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| tigert | we should have the non-present council members live over video-gtalk with the cameera ;) | 11:10 |
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| RST38h | With THAT camera? Umgh. | 11:12 |
| * RST38h wonders if tigert would be willing to do a few icons, for the good of the community =) | 11:13 | |
| tigert | RST3why not | 11:14 |
| tigert | darn network | 11:14 |
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| tigert | there is no electricity here right now though | 11:15 |
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| tigert | and my battery is almost dead on the mbp | 11:15 |
| tigert | what kind of icons? | 11:16 |
| RST38h | tigert: I have released my emulators for maemo (see fms.komkon.org) | 11:16 |
| RST38h | tigert: Maemo versions are free, S60 and Windows versions are actually shareware | 11:17 |
| RST38h | tigert: I am missing good icons for the Maemo versions. A really bad at drawing them myself | 11:17 |
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| tigert | for the app icon? | 11:18 |
| tigert | or ui icons? | 11:18 |
| RST38h | tigert: App icons only | 11:18 |
| RST38h | There are no UI icons there | 11:18 |
| tigert | ok | 11:18 |
| RST38h | preferably .svg to avoid drawing them at different scales | 11:19 |
| tigert | sure | 11:19 |
| tigert | svg is the way | 11:19 |
| tigert | but they need to be done for exact size preferably | 11:19 |
| * RST38h is more or less confident about fMSX and Speccy icons but the rest look ugly =( | 11:19 | |
| tigert | to keep them crisp | 11:19 |
| tigert | so which ones exactly? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | iNES, MasterGear, VGB, VGBA | 11:20 |
| RST38h | Oh, and ColEm | 11:20 |
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| tigert | k | 11:25 |
| tigert | have you checked if tango project has some? | 11:25 |
| RST38h | I think I did, among others | 11:25 |
| RST38h | a moment | 11:25 |
| tigert | they have device icons, but maybe not retro gear | 11:25 |
| RST38h | they may have a joypad image that I currently use for some apps | 11:26 |
| tigert | yea | 11:26 |
| RST38h | NES joypad that is | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | There are some here http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/23899.htm# but they are 24x24 pngs | 11:29 |
| t_s_o | heh, that pad, in its euro/usa form, is a icon like no other ;) | 11:29 |
| RST38h | tso: Actually, Japanese seem to like their version as well | 11:29 |
| RST38h | And there are some cleaner ones here: http://stanleysy.tripod.com/skins-icons.htm but still bitmap only | 11:30 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: i would say that a scaled up bitmap add a bit to the feel tho ;) | 11:30 |
| t_s_o | big pixels, classic :P | 11:30 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: but not from 24 to 64 pixels =) | 11:31 |
| t_s_o | as for the controller, i think the gray one is better known outside of japan ;) | 11:31 |
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| t_s_o | heh, you may be right about that... | 11:31 |
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| RST38h | t_s_o: Those in the know, know both! (tm) =) | 11:31 |
| t_s_o | indeed, but i got to say, get much more of a toy vibe from the red and gold of the famicom... | 11:32 |
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| t_s_o | and the purple and gray of the super dont help either... | 11:32 |
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| mgedmin | canola will be open sourced! | 11:35 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, not sure if i should be interested or worried... | 11:36 |
| mgedmin | you should be happy! | 11:37 |
| mgedmin | how can anyone not be incredibly happy about this news? | 11:37 |
| * qwerty12 waits for a C port. python is a slow pos | 11:37 | |
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| t_s_o | because i always found canola to be overkill for my use? | 11:37 |
| lbt | mgedmin: I'm happy :) | 11:37 |
| lbt | say "thanks" for me!! | 11:38 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: why does it matter, again? | 11:38 |
| lardman | anyone got a working driftnet? | 11:38 |
| mgedmin | seductive eye candy | 11:38 |
| lbt | mgedmin: I think the words you want are "STFU you miserable gits; they are doing the right thing" | 11:38 |
| lardman | :) | 11:38 |
| t_s_o | but then open source is always a good thing, thats why i have mixed emotions ;) | 11:39 |
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| lbt | for those interested in sync/PIM http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/09/19/2023252.shtml | 11:40 |
| mgedmin | sync/PIM is a myth | 11:40 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't exist | 11:41 |
| t_s_o | thats the server tho, dont help much if the client can do sync in the first place... | 11:41 |
| mgedmin | I've never seen working sync/PIM in my life | 11:41 |
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| lbt | I have | 11:41 |
| lbt | it was glowing white and had a horn | 11:41 |
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| * qwerty12 kills whatever it was and drinks the blood | 11:42 | |
| tigert | i think Filofax is a nicely working pim | 11:42 |
| mgedmin | but does it have sync? | 11:43 |
| tigert | ;) | 11:43 |
| tigert | it doesnt have to sync | 11:43 |
| tigert | its mobile ;) | 11:43 |
| mgedmin | what about backups? what if you lose it? ;-) | 11:43 |
| tigert | then you have nice amounts of free time ;) | 11:43 |
| woglinde | hi | 11:46 |
| lbt | hi | 11:47 |
| lbt | (damn this keyboard is slow) | 11:47 |
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| t_s_o | http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ <- the begining of that second slide is not really promising... | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | well, it is logical for a business | 11:56 |
| t_s_o | true, but just means that they are trying to play both sides of the fence. use oss to save a dollar here, use closed source to lock the customer to the platform there... | 11:59 |
| mgedmin | the link to the slides is broken | 11:59 |
| mgedmin | (the PDF link, not the flash applet) | 11:59 |
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| t_s_o | i really hope the next set of ssu updates include a fix for that silly issue of connecting to saved hotspots out of offline mode... | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | t_s_o: They are a business. How do you expect them to behave? | 12:05 |
| MishaS | t_s_o, you have a bug number? | 12:05 |
| t_s_o | MishaS: on what? | 12:05 |
| MishaS | t_s_o, on the issue you expect to have a fix? | 12:06 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: given that they sell hardware, like a hardware business. that is, after someone have bought hardware from them, they dont care what you do | 12:06 |
| MishaS | s/fix/fix for/ | 12:06 |
| infobot | MishaS meant: t_s_o, on the issue you expect to have a fix for? | 12:06 |
| t_s_o | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 | 12:07 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: "hardware" means nails and screws and metal piping | 12:07 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Nokia sells consumer electronic devices, that is hardware+software | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Obviously, they want to stay competitive with their products | 12:08 |
| t_s_o | so stuff better hardware in their products ;) | 12:08 |
| t_s_o | rather then attempt to lock a customer to some service or software only they can provide... | 12:08 |
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| RST38h | t_s_o: as far as hardware goes, pretty much all phone manufacturers use reference designs from their platform providers | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | In other words, there are no "hardware advantages" between companies using the same OMAP2 or OMAP3 from TI | 12:09 |
| t_s_o | woopie... | 12:09 |
| MishaS | t_s_o, it seems to have minor severity and low priority... i wouldn't have high hopes... | 12:10 |
| RST38h | You can of course stick higher-specced components in there (like 800x480 display) but your competitors can do the same | 12:10 |
| t_s_o | so they try to not become yet another commodity provider? | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | correct | 12:11 |
| RST38h | not like HTC | 12:11 |
| RST38h | actually, HTC is also trying to differentiate itself by putting stuff on top of the horrible WinMobile | 12:12 |
| t_s_o | not sure i would call htc a commodity provider given the prices on their winmob phones... | 12:12 |
| t_s_o | heh, i guess i simply cant grasp the concept of greed : | 12:15 |
| t_s_o | :P | 12:15 |
| RST38h | they are comparable with nokia's | 12:15 |
| RST38h | or other winmobile based phones | 12:16 |
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| thux | hi, some documents tell to enable rd mode, but is there any tasks that endluser cannot do with rootsh (sudo gainroot)? | 12:18 |
| t_s_o | hmm, what documents would that be? | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | rootsh works how the rd mode method of enabling root is | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | rd mode root still makes you use sudo gainroot | 12:19 |
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| tigert | ssh root@localhost woeks ok too | 12:25 |
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| t_s_o | heh, never tried that :P | 12:29 |
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| eichi | hello | 12:30 |
| curl_e | kia ora (hello) | 12:30 |
| eichi | i want to use the n800 cam as webcam | 12:31 |
| eichi | maybe with piture uploads or something | 12:31 |
| eichi | is there a script? | 12:31 |
| eichi | i cant webcam with many people using icq, msn, etc camchat | 12:31 |
| eichi | so i could use this instead of | 12:32 |
| wnd | ssh-method wastes some precious cpu-time (and thus battery). I doubt the difference is significant, though. | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | eichi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20309 | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | I find typing my password in to be annoying, hence I only use the ssh method when I am sshing into my N800 from my computer | 12:34 |
| sp3000 | it's not like it uses radio, and it's mostly coincident with other activity, so probably notmuch | 12:34 |
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| thux | t_s_o: some document how to tune n800, writer apparently didn't now rootsh exist | 12:34 |
| sp3000 | qwerty12: ...key? | 12:36 |
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| qwerty12 | sp3000: can't be bothered to figure out how they work. I'm so lazy in that regard, I just compiled sshpass (supplies password to ssh automatically) | 12:37 |
| * _berto_ loves to play ghosts 'n' goblins in an actual arcade machine at c-base | 12:37 | |
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| sp3000 | qwerty12: that sounds complicated, but ok :) | 12:38 |
| eichi | qwerty12, hm, i have a problem with NAt, cant forward to my pda | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | sp3000: heh :) | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | eichi: Don't you have NAT Loopback on your router or something? | 12:38 |
| eichi | its UMTS. the providers does not allow incomming ports | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 12:39 |
| eichi | but maybe i can use gstmjpg and make a upload script, instead of apache server | 12:40 |
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| eichi | i only need a picture for that to upload it frequently | 12:40 |
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| t_s_o | how the hell did someone get hold of a prototype 770?! | 12:44 |
| t_s_o | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23741 | 12:44 |
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| mgedmin | aaaaaaaargh maemo.org is impossibly slow :( | 12:48 |
| mgedmin | eff this, I'm not going to edit the wiki | 12:48 |
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| mgedmin | quiet here all of a sudden... | 13:08 |
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| jott | everyone is sleepy i guess ;) | 13:16 |
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| woglinde | hi jott | 13:38 |
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| mgedmin | internet suddenly became slow | 13:49 |
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| Jaffa | Indeeed, mauku has hung - looks like networking done in GUJI thread | 14:06 |
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| Blafasel | hehe.. evil | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: did you see the pm test stuff yet? | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | Not sure IRC isn't easier and better than this Jaiku thing. It is pretty tho | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | irc was used to report from first iraq war and the russian coup, it's always better than a centralized thing :P | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | :) | 14:22 |
| Blafasel | i never even heard of jaiku | 14:23 |
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| t_s_o | from what i can understand, jaiku is a cross between twitter and irc... | 14:24 |
| t_s_o | and all with a basis in a web interface... | 14:24 |
| t_s_o | i wonder how many times i have seen irc be recreated, for better or worse, as a web chat system... | 14:24 |
| * Stskeeps wonders when the promised dsme comes on garage. | 14:25 | |
| t_s_o | dsme? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it was on "things put on garage today" along with stlc45xx | 14:26 |
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| rm_you | yeah i am wondering about dsme too | 14:29 |
| Blafasel | twitter? ehhh.. bah. | 14:29 |
| rm_you | who can i poke about it? | 14:29 |
| Blafasel | poke quim to tell you whom to poke? or kate? | 14:30 |
| Blafasel | quim is on track 1 currently | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | there's been some power management test stuff but that's not dsme :P | 14:30 |
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| mgedmin | okay, the package cleanup sprint is massive fail | 14:31 |
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| mgedmin | spent all the time fighting the projector | 14:31 |
| rm_you | lol mostly yes | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | projectors are probably both the most loved and the most -hated- devices on earth | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | the sad thing it was working initially at 1280x800 | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | only it didn't look like 1280x800 | 14:32 |
| mgedmin | it looked more like 800x600 with lossy scaling from 1280x800 | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | but trying to change the resolution to something lower makes the projector go completely catatonic until you power it off, wait 2 minutes, and turn it back on | 14:33 |
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| madhav | Hi, im developing an application in gtk run's on maemo, im using gdkpixbuf to put images for widget's which act like a button . any one got comments on which one is faster type of image on X, gdkimage, gdkpixbuf, gtkimage, cairo_surface..? | 15:02 |
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| rm_you | which was it that was leaked? dsme or mce? | 15:34 |
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| Blafasel | rm_you: did you ask for the dsme release? | 15:39 |
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| Stskeeps | rm_you: mce was in HE sources | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | DSME isn't | 15:39 |
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| rm_you | Blafasel: yes i asked and got an answer: two weeks | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | meh | 15:41 |
| Blafasel | hrm | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | ten bucks it's going past legal because of cal.h or something | 15:41 |
| Blafasel | anyway, good that they provide it | 15:42 |
| rm_you | they don't seem to think it will be useful to anyone | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | they're sortof right though | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | most interfacing things are already reverse engineered | 15:42 |
| Blafasel | but that makes the big announcement less interesting | 15:42 |
| rm_you | >_< | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | if however they provide API for cal.h.. | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | then i'm on it like wasps on a marmelade sandwich. | 15:43 |
| * RST38h finds it disturbing that instead of writing/porting/fixing apps | 15:43 | |
| rm_you | useful to ABL! though he said the 'dimming up' bug was actually fixed in new mce/dsme | 15:43 |
| RST38h | people hack deeper and deeper into stuff only nokia staff should be concerned about | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: after dealing with hildon gtkmm i decided it wasn't worth learning maemo API | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | as porting is too much of a chore compared to how it -could- have been | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | (better integration into gtk, etc.) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: well, it is more or less standard gtk | 15:44 |
| RST38h | And you could always write compatibility layer any way you want ;) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the whole set attribute on widget as set(key,value) instead of set_key(value) is just insane, and they didn't even bother to #define themselves out of it | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:45 |
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| Stskeeps | most things would be straight compiles otherwise | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: Well, you can #define those yourself | 15:45 |
| RST38h | And include a single extra header file | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's true, but that was too much hassle :P | 15:46 |
| RST38h | not really | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | i like maemo cos of some of the power management support things though | 15:46 |
| RST38h | you can even do it with a script :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, system hacking is much more fun | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Yea, THIS ONE I understand :) | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Still, it reminds me of reprogramming car controllers. Fancy but useless in the long run. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm seeing stuff like deblet more and more important though, since Nokia is indicating they might want to leave tablets behind | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | as in, non-N900 ones, in terms of OS upgrades | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | and we might be giving the 770's a renessaince(sp) with supporting it (as we made it boot recently) :P | 15:48 |
| t_s_o | to bad mine is a permanent paper weight | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | WSOD? | 15:49 |
| t_s_o | yep, and as i bought is at sale from expansys, its a us one, while i live in norway... | 15:50 |
| t_s_o | so nokia dont want to fix it :( | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i will have the same problem if i break my n800 ever | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | (.dk) | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | Yay! Beer | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | bought it from us | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | got cheated by a danish company that claimed to have the n800 | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | had to involve the bank and all :P | 15:51 |
| t_s_o | ugh | 15:51 |
| RST38h | ~curse Clutter for being the source of useless incompa | 15:51 |
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| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Clutter for being the source of useless incompa ! | 15:51 |
| RST38h | tible eyecandy | 15:51 |
| t_s_o | well, given the experience its probably the last time i buy anything from expansys... | 15:51 |
| MangoFusion | what did you buy? | 15:52 |
| RST38h | hehe, gentlemen, you should have tried buying stuff from Nokia's official US distributor | 15:52 |
| RST38h | THAT would make you think of Kafka more than once | 15:52 |
| t_s_o | MangoFusion: a 770 at sale | 15:52 |
| MangoFusion | i grabbed a bluetooth keyboard from them once. worked fine, but it had a few pencil doodles and residue from a peeled off sticker still on | 15:52 |
| t_s_o | hmm, didnt intel buy openhanded recently? | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Yup | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Once of the theories why mallum isn't here for his talk... | 15:54 |
| tigert | :) | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | s/Once/One/ | 15:56 |
| tigert | that has crossed my mind too | 15:56 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: One of the theories why mallum isn't here for his talk... | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | infobot: shush | 15:56 |
| t_s_o | funny, given that intel made use of hildon in moblin | 15:56 |
| infobot | Fine, I'll shut up. | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | and matchbox | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | and clutter ;-) | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Not openhanded, OpenedHand | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, good spot | 15:57 |
| t_s_o | heh, was going from memory :=) | 15:57 |
| melmoth | if i have 2 packages (a,b where b depends on a) in extras-devel, shall i promote both of them to extras, or only the top of the dependency tree (and the needed one will be automatically promoted too) ? | 15:58 |
| RST38h | melmoth: both, starting from the bottom | 15:58 |
| RST38h | or your users will have PROBLEMS | 15:58 |
| melmoth | ok.thanks | 15:58 |
| RST38h | And Moblin2 will be based on RedHat (bleah) | 15:59 |
| t_s_o | ... | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, it's still interesting since Fedora is seemingily ported to armel | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: yes but do you really want to have anything to do with redhat? | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: no, not really | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Debian I understand. It may be a toy OS but it is packaged semidecently | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't intend to, people can use my tricks to get it running on tablet, but i'm not going to use it myself :P | 16:01 |
| RST38h | RedHat is a bloody mess, last time I checked it was anyway | 16:02 |
| melmoth | when was that ? | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | A few years ao | 16:02 |
| RST38h | ] | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | my interest is trying some more with mojo's Ubuntu for armel (8.04) | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | but for now my goal is getting debian stable, as ubuntu will basically be dropping in the debs | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Multiple administration tools with the same functions, hanging NFS ("because RedHat has shipped a beta kernel!"), disappearing icons | 16:03 |
| melmoth | Red Hat never ship beta kernel. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | melmoth: than whatever they shipped hung. | 16:03 |
| melmoth | buggy one, may be :) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | melmoth: And the funny thing is, we ran Enterprise edition supported by RedHat itself | 16:04 |
| melmoth | that s the only one supported. | 16:04 |
| RST38h | So it was *supposed* to work like a well oiled machine | 16:04 |
| melmoth | RST38h: use support, that s why it s there for | 16:04 |
| melmoth | well, they are always bugs. The more customer report them, the more they are judge critical | 16:04 |
| RST38h | melmoth: that is what FreeBSD is here for | 16:05 |
| RST38h | melmoth: dumb like a stump, works forever once configured | 16:05 |
| melmoth | i do not know bsd, but i wont buy there are no bug there. Wherever you have code, you have bugs. | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Oh there are | 16:06 |
| RST38h | But a normal user rarely sees them | 16:06 |
| melmoth | Bsd looks interesting, what i feel bad about it is the short term life expectancy (i think it s 6 monthes or something). | 16:06 |
| kpel | bsd is indeed reliable. and their community responds very quickly to critical bugs (e.g. security) | 16:06 |
| RST38h | You have to do something really weird (raid arrays, heavy multimedia, strange networking protocols) to encounter bugs there | 16:06 |
| melmoth | RST38h: same with RHEL, seriously, and raid arrays is not weird at all in a "enterprise" context | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | melmoth: well, what I did was trying to save my phd thesis over nfs | 16:07 |
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| derf | RST38h: You fool! | 16:08 |
| RST38h | melmoth: if this is too much to ask from RHEL, then I dunno... | 16:08 |
| t_s_o | whats this, a distro/os shout-out? | 16:08 |
| melmoth | what i would find strange to pick a Red Hat based distro for a mobile stuff, is as was said; arm is not an official supported arch | 16:08 |
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| RST38h | tso: no just some bitching about redhat being messed up | 16:08 |
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| RST38h | melmoth: Moblin is not an arm-based distro | 16:08 |
| t_s_o | heh, im staying well away from all of the "established" distros ;) | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | melmoth: It is Intel. And being Intel, it is based on Atom and a few other chips | 16:09 |
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| t_s_o | hell, outside of the surprising (for intel at least) use of atom in cheap laptops (netbooks) and small desktops, atom was specifically designed to be used in mids | 16:11 |
| hrw | elo | 16:11 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: What is surprising? | 16:12 |
| hrw | t_s_o: Atom is chip for MID and Netbook range of devices | 16:12 |
| RST38h | It is ia32. It runs Windows. It isn't really usable for mobile devices due to high power consumption. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | So, small notebooks are a logical niche. | 16:13 |
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| hrw | t_s_o: there will be chipsets for both type of devices (instead of using i945) | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Next niche you will see Atom in is going to be set-top boxes and maybe even cheap media PCs | 16:13 |
| hrw | I think that Atom will land in lot of places as it use small power compared to other cpus | 16:14 |
| RST38h | It will, but not in mobile stuff. Not this generation of Atoms, anyway | 16:14 |
| hrw | especially when new chipsets for it will arrive | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | eh. was the framebuffer in 770/n8x0 epson? | 16:14 |
| hrw | RST38h: the problem is lack of power efficient chipsets - i945 eats more power then cpu itself | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Blueray players seem to be a distinct opportunity for Atom | 16:14 |
| RST38h | hrw: Well, there will be an Atom-based SoC sooner or later | 16:15 |
| thux | btw has anyone port omap wince to n8x0 devices? what about omap familiar? | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | hrw: No extra chipset. | 16:15 |
| hrw | RST38h: thats too | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | thux: the problem is that you cannot use anything else than linux really for nolo, unless you crack how they boot it :P | 16:16 |
| thux | ok | 16:16 |
| RST38h | hrw: But again, the power consumption is too high | 16:16 |
| hrw | thux: show me wince device running omap2 cpu... | 16:16 |
| RST38h | hrw: there was one. a moment. | 16:17 |
| hrw | RST38h: power use of chipset yes, but not power use of cpu | 16:17 |
| thux | hrw: i got one omap 1510 wince | 16:17 |
| hrw | omap1510 omap850 are omap1 not omap2 | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Just found this: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS8386777040.html | 16:18 |
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| thux | ipaq got lot of omap winces | 16:18 |
| t_s_o | hrw: i think the use of atom in netbooks (and especially the market potential for those netbooks) surprised intel, given their lack of fullfilling demand... | 16:19 |
| hrw | thux: omap1 ones | 16:19 |
| RST38h | hrw: Power use of CPU is still bigger than OMAP2 and can't be throttled down as easily | 16:19 |
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| Jaffa | Nearly time for me to leave Berlin :-( | 16:19 |
| Blafasel | oh. that early? | 16:19 |
| hrw | Jaffa: events like summit have one problem - it is hard to meet each person personally... | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | hrw: indeed | 16:20 |
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| Jaffa | Blafasel: 1638 train from Hautbahnhof. Takes nearly 6 hours to get back to .nl to meet up with my wife & son | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | hrw: ditto, I'm on top-left seat | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | drinking beer | 16:20 |
| Blafasel | hehe. good | 16:20 |
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| Blafasel | would love one as well, but need to drive later | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | Doh | 16:21 |
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| hrw | RST38h: that link is a bout omap730 and omap850 which are omap1 cpus and are wide used in wince devices | 16:22 |
| Mek | (the train from berlin to the dutch border only takes about 4 hours I think :P) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | hrw: yes, I undertood that after your comment of no support for omap2 | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Mek: Going to Appeldoorn on an IC (not ...E) leaves 16:48, gets in at 21:56 | 16:23 |
| hrw | RST38h: I do not know does wince supports omap2 or not - I just do not remember any wince devices with omap2 | 16:24 |
| hrw | usually companies use XScale 27x/3xx, omap850/730 and qualcomm. | 16:25 |
| RST38h | Samsung too | 16:27 |
| hrw | ah yes.. I forgot | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Samsung makes some ARM SoCs | 16:27 |
| hrw | s3c241x or s3c244x | 16:27 |
| RST38h | I guess this is what drives iPhone... | 16:28 |
| hrw | the problem with samsung chius is that they contain only 64mb ram in cpu package | 16:28 |
| hrw | iphone use s3c26xx iirc | 16:28 |
| hrw | arm11 | 16:28 |
| hrw | 26xx or 62xx - something like that | 16:28 |
| RST38h | It is weird that a SoC will contain any SDRAM at all | 16:28 |
| hrw | it is cheaper | 16:28 |
| RST38h | FlashROMs and SDRAMs are usually external | 16:28 |
| hrw | s3c2442 has 256MB flash and 64MB ram | 16:28 |
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| hrw | thats why wince s3c based devices do not have more ram | 16:29 |
| hrw | in openmoko phones they use s3c cpu and external 64MB ram chip to get 128MB ram | 16:29 |
| RST38h | heh | 16:29 |
| RST38h | so external ram is still possible | 16:30 |
| RST38h | no limitation then, as long as access times are nog very high | 16:30 |
| hrw | sure, but it adds to the cost | 16:31 |
| RST38h | "Endeavour is now in place to act as a rescue vehicle if there are any problems with Atlantis, once they are in space. This is the first time one shuttle has been prepared to act as a rescue vehicle for another." | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | Scary stuff. | 16:32 |
| GAN800 | How'd the council presentation, go? | 16:34 |
| Mek | GAN800: we missed you | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | Well. A number of questions about process and stuff. Was good. | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | Etrunko had the latest version of the pres and was 10 mins late, though | 16:34 |
| * Jaffa disconnects until Monday night | 16:34 | |
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| GAN800 | Mek, got home from a crappy at 2am edt. | 16:35 |
| GAN800 | party | 16:35 |
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| hrw | bbl | 16:37 |
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| brontide | So how are those long walks on the beach? | 16:42 |
| rm_you | i think i need to take a nap >_< | 16:46 |
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| AFBN810 | Hello | 16:49 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: yeah, I'm wasted as well | 16:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's differentiation bullshit is so laughable. | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, hmm? | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're logic for closed-source stuff. | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | context? | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need more Advanced Backlights to show them exactly how retarded it really is. | 17:11 |
| RST38h | why is it laughable? | 17:12 |
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| suihkulokki | if it's so retarded, why is it working so wel for iPhone ? | 17:13 |
| RST38h | 'cause Apple does have the differentiation? =) | 17:13 |
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| crashanddie | I'm starting to get a bit pissy at the non-stop comparison to Apple/iPhone | 17:14 |
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| t_s_o | i know, its at best a standard phone, but its hailed as the second coming whenever it shows up in the media or a blog... | 17:16 |
| kpel | i suppose it's unavoidable as long as iphone is the gold standard | 17:16 |
| t_s_o | and how the hell did it come out of nowhere to become that? | 17:16 |
| MangoFusion | as far as ui goes, i haven't seen anything quite like an iphone. except perhaps android | 17:16 |
| RST38h | crash: Just assume that it is all done by crazy people and disregard it on this basis | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | it's not the gold standard | 17:16 |
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| crashanddie | it's a fashion item | 17:16 |
| Steve_____ | MangoFusion: agreed | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | android UI is pretty generic, sorry | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | the iPhone is expensive, it's lickable and sexy like a Mac, android is crap | 17:17 |
| kpel | crashanddie: more pragmatically, it's a salesman's wet dream | 17:17 |
| RST38h | and the programming model is retarded, as far as I could see | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | kpel, agreed | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, android is just java | 17:17 |
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| RST38h | crash: It's not just java, although it being java contributes to the overall retardation | 17:18 |
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| crashanddie | well, it's java reloaded | 17:18 |
| fred | win 558 | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | not really. it is the same java | 17:18 |
| fred | oops | 17:18 |
| RST38h | + some quite artificial programming frameworks | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | On the other hand, iPhone appears to use LLVM for its binaries. A much smarter choice, if it does. | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h/crashanddie, the laughable part is that they're depriving themselves of help from the community, while maintaining mostly mediocre UI stuff. | 17:19 |
| t_s_o | as as a fashion item, its the medias wet dream... | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, have you heard about lcuk ? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | GAN: It is not laughable part, it is their supposed business model | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what about it? | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, take Advanced Backlight for example, it's better, stronger, faster, and cooler, and was greatly hindered by Nokia's closed source UI stance. | 17:20 |
| RST38h | GAN: It is a minor addition though | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, well, I'm not going to be the spoiler/squealer, so I'll stfu about it | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | But there's some good news :) | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gotta run, take care | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they would just open up stuff like that then we'd already have all sorts of better 3rd party versions. | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sure, because the barrier to entry for improving the stuff is so high since they're all closed. | 17:23 |
| RST38h | BTW, I disagree on Hildon UI being crap | 17:24 |
| RST38h | In comparison with iPhone - yes | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's crap. | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just think all of Nokia's little "differentiation" UI stuff is mostly crap. | 17:25 |
| RST38h | But please, compare it with WinMobile, S60, or any of the existing Linux based PDA UIs | 17:25 |
| RST38h | this is all they have to differentiate | 17:25 |
| RST38h | crap or not | 17:25 |
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| t_s_o | while the use of specially compiled java in android makes it harder to work with, i find it interesting that one should potentially be able to swap out just about anything in the ui and apps | 17:28 |
| RST38h | tso: not different from Symbian, WinMobile, or Maemo | 17:28 |
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| t_s_o | in maemo that would be like being able to make pidgin the default im or claw mail the default mail app | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | This is possible for all I know | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Just need to hack it a little bit | 17:29 |
| t_s_o | right, but with android there will be no need for hacks. its right there | 17:30 |
| t_s_o | iirc that is | 17:30 |
| RST38h | but in Maemo, it is just changing config | 17:30 |
| RST38h | and making your new apps supply right dbus interfaces | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Do you think Android will be any different? | 17:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I don't see it, t_s_o. | 17:31 |
| t_s_o | documentation, google is making it all available to anyone to do so without having to dig into the system and look for where they should connect... | 17:32 |
| t_s_o | just look at the "hack" needed to get some other player then the internal one to make use of different file types in maemo | 17:32 |
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| t_s_o | nokia didnt document for any other player to be used that way | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 17:33 |
| t_s_o | at least thats how i understand how android will be | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff like that wont exactly make or break a platform. | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't care because it's a stupid cellular OS. | 17:33 |
| t_s_o | maybe not, but it will allow a user to make a device "his" | 17:33 |
| t_s_o | heh, i suspect android is more flexible then that... | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Java is gross, anyway. | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and google's got a lame stranglehold on Android. | 17:34 |
| t_s_o | more likely that they let the old android boss keep running the show his way, just like he ran danger and their hiptop. but thats very much imo | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | cellular or not, it is an OS | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Proven to run on N8x0 too =) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | But it seems to be based on several unwise decisions that will severely limit it usefulness. | 17:43 |
| RST38h | [see, how diplomatically I can spin the "it's gonna be total shit" idea? =)] | 17:43 |
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| t_s_o | what i want to see is a android running device thats not tied to t-mobile, and what price and hardware it will have... | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | t_s_o: Same price and hardware as any generic HTC phone | 17:52 |
| RST38h | It is pretty obvious, too, given that HTC produces 'em for Google | 17:53 |
| t_s_o | if thats the case, i guess ill go for a feature phone with 3G and use my N800 til i can swap to a pandora :P | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | which will be a little ugly brick with the old skool keyboard and joystick? =) | 17:55 |
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| t_s_o | heh, as long as it can run a amiga emulator at full tilt im happy ;) | 17:56 |
| RST38h | =) | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Something is telling me any OMAP3 device will be able to do that. | 17:57 |
| t_s_o | yep, but the pandora will be better equiped to handle the inputs | 17:58 |
| t_s_o | still, playing lemmings using a analog dpad for mouse will be "interesting" | 17:59 |
| * RST38h prays to Cthulhu again: "Mighty Deep One! You have heard and answered my prayer for an E70 replacement and made those Finns see the wisdom!" | 18:02 | |
| RST38h | "Please, hear another one and make 'em add a decent gaming joypad to N9x0!" | 18:02 |
| RST38h | [ideally, this is where you slit the throat of a sacrifial iPhone fan] | 18:03 |
| Blafasel | I think I remeber someone with notes on his iphone during this summit.. | 18:05 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: your fbdev-omap is complete but just not with Xv acceleration? | 18:16 |
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| kulve | I guess that's not complete in any way. It's mainly stubs for the XV stuff that should be taken from the Xomap.. | 18:17 |
| kulve | (I haven't been doing it, just watched from the side) | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone with a OS2008HE around? | 18:23 |
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| melmoth | how long does it should take for an install file to be automatically generated once a package is pushed on extra ? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | until xfade actually promotes it? | 18:25 |
| RST38h | in either case it is not like you can't create your own .insall file which will be useless unless your package actually appears in extra | 18:26 |
| melmoth | it is in extras | 18:26 |
| melmoth | the install file has not been created though | 18:26 |
| melmoth | but i suppose it s not done on the spot, probably a cron job, but i wonder if it s hourly, daily ? | 18:26 |
| RST38h | chech http://fms.komkon.org/EmuMaemo/fmsx.html and change a few fields | 18:27 |
| RST38h | sorry, fmsx.install | 18:27 |
| melmoth | the problem is not to create or host the install file. | 18:27 |
| melmoth | just to know how long it take to have it automatially availble here http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/ | 18:28 |
| melmoth | used to be automatically done with chinook. | 18:28 |
| RST38h | melmoth: is the .deb itself available? | 18:28 |
| melmoth | yes. | 18:29 |
| melmoth | but it s really recent (an hour or 2) | 18:29 |
| melmoth | package has been promoted and is available: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/s/sayhoo/ | 18:30 |
| melmoth | installation works with the application manager. | 18:30 |
| RST38h | weird | 18:30 |
| RST38h | it would be logical to both promote the package and generate .install at the same time | 18:30 |
| melmoth | well, lets hope it s just a cronjob that will be launched in a hour or so. | 18:31 |
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| * RST38h has his own .install files. Easier this way | 18:43 | |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo johnx | 18:52 |
| johnx | hey | 18:53 |
| RST38h | johnx | 18:53 |
| johnx | m00 | 18:53 |
| * RST38h remembers the moment when all co.jp became ne.jp | 18:53 | |
| RST38h | what a mess it was =) | 18:53 |
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| johnx | RST38h, I'm actually fuzzy on Japanese DNS history | 18:54 |
| johnx | but I guess all the ISPs switched from co to ne? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | well, at some point, Japanese ISPs used .co. | 18:54 |
| johnx | huh | 18:54 |
| RST38h | but then several large ISPs (judging from the amount of email addresses on my list) changed to .ne. | 18:54 |
| johnx | so odd that it ended up going the opposite in the rest of the world | 18:55 |
| RST38h | well, the rest of the world is basically .jp, .uk, .il, and US | 18:55 |
| RST38h | forgot somebody? | 18:55 |
| johnx | but I mean .net being only for network providers | 18:55 |
| johnx | then switching to open registration | 18:56 |
| johnx | and .org only for certain classes of organizations | 18:56 |
| RST38h | ah, I am not sure they enforced these rules very strictly from the beginning... | 18:56 |
| johnx | probably not | 18:56 |
| RST38h | .ru does not normally use any of these suffixes. Maybe for .edu. sites only, dunno | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: btw i've made a network-manager-gnome-showinall package | 18:57 |
| johnx | and .us isn't normally used by anyone with any sense | 18:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, showinall ? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | If I understand things correctly, most of Europe does not use suffixes either, for some reason | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, "don't keep nm-applet to yourself, you insenstive pods" package | 18:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: still, I would love to have are.us or r.us domain... | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | (it only shows in GNOME normally.) | 18:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: it would open POSSIBILITIES, you know =) | 18:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah, does that just add a line to everything's autostart? | 18:58 |
| * johnx needs to get his domain hosted again | 18:58 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: /etc/xdg/autostart | 18:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah cool. most other things pay attention to that? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, if they follow freedesktop standard | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | how's your LXDE doing these days? | 19:00 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, it's fine. I built the latest midori 0.21 and I've been enjoying it quite a lot | 19:02 |
| johnx | google maps is not just usable but *enjoyable* | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to checkout nit-env-lxde and spice it up :) | 19:03 |
| johnx | leaving debian running with high CPU utilization for long periods of time (left screensavers on accidentally) seems to heat up the tablet enough to mess with my touchscreen | 19:03 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm still finding an optimal setup | 19:03 |
| johnx | did you figure out a better way to deal with touchscreen typing? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | didn't go further with HIM since i can't find a proper way to get it to dock like in matchbox | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | someone with greater X knowledge might be able to | 19:04 |
| RST38h | johnx: omap can heat up this much?!? | 19:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, my screen is somewhat sensitive I think | 19:05 |
| johnx | but 8 hours at 100% CPU usage makes things pretty warm | 19:05 |
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| johnx | I have a fairly abused N800 :/ | 19:05 |
| johnx | it was a floor model for 2 months before I bought it | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | oh | 19:08 |
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| * johnx is actually really impressed with n800 build quality | 19:10 | |
| johnx | every time I think about how nice it would be to have a sliding keyboard I also think how nice it is not to have any moving parts... | 19:11 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 19:11 |
| GAN800 | I'm in love with the stand. | 19:11 |
| GAN800 | It seriously has to be the greatest thing ever. | 19:12 |
| johnx | well, the stand barely counts | 19:12 |
| johnx | as a moving part | 19:12 |
| GAN800 | I always laugh at my mother wheb she tries to watch movies on her iPhone. | 19:12 |
| johnx | wow...nice of you | 19:12 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | She has to hold the damn thing for the whole movie. | 19:13 |
| johnx | they make little stands that fold up | 19:13 |
| johnx | but yeah, it is one more thing to carry | 19:13 |
| * Stskeeps has managed to bend his stand a tiny bit :/ | 19:14 | |
| Stskeeps | (fell) | 19:14 |
| johnx | yeah, mine has chunks eaten out of it from a couple falls to blacktop | 19:14 |
| johnx | s/blacktop/tarmac/ | 19:15 |
| infobot | johnx meant: yeah, mine has chunks eaten out of it from a couple falls to tarmac | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | Hehe, yeah, so does mine. | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | My battery latch is finally all copper now. | 19:15 |
| johnx | yeah mine too | 19:15 |
| johnx | looks better now that it's all one color again | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | I'm wondering what this thing will look like by the time the damn N900 is out. :/ | 19:16 |
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| nickpatton | Hello | 19:17 |
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| johnx | hey nickpatton | 19:17 |
| nickpatton | I want to buy an internet tablet | 19:18 |
| nickpatton | Should I wait? | 19:18 |
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| GAN800 | 8 months? | 19:18 |
| johnx | GAN800, you think 8 months? | 19:18 |
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| * johnx catches up on the forums... | 19:18 | |
| GAN800 | 6-8 | 19:18 |
| GAN800 | Fremantle beta is march-may window. | 19:19 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: Are you talking to me? | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | Yes | 19:19 |
| nickpatton | OK | 19:19 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: You think it will take that long | 19:19 |
| johnx | so, are you comfortable with waiting up to 8 months for something that will certainly be $450+ at launch | 19:20 |
| johnx | ? | 19:20 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: no | 19:20 |
| mavhc | has there been a price drop recently? | 19:20 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: 450+? | 19:20 |
| johnx | nickpatton, the N810 started at $480 IIRC | 19:20 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: Thats a lot. Will it be a faster processor? | 19:20 |
| johnx | also, I'm johnx, not GAN800 | 19:20 |
| nickpatton | Ok | 19:21 |
| nickpatton | GAN800: Its just you can get an n810 for $350 now | 19:21 |
| nickpatton | Ok | 19:21 |
| nickpatton | johnx | 19:21 |
| johnx | $300 if you know where to look | 19:21 |
| nickpatton | Would you recommend waiting | 19:22 |
| johnx | it depends on what you want to do | 19:22 |
| johnx | right now, IM, web, book reading and email all work pretty nicely on the N810 | 19:22 |
| nickpatton | I'm gadget person | 19:22 |
| johnx | as does music | 19:22 |
| RST38h | GAN: omehow I doubt there will be new hw by march | 19:23 |
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| johnx | if you want fancy graphics and games, and the ability to play back any kind of video without transcoding you should wait | 19:23 |
| nickpatton | I'll be doing music,video and internet, | 19:23 |
| nickpatton | Ok | 19:23 |
| johnx | do you mind transcoding your video? | 19:23 |
| nickpatton | what do you meen | 19:24 |
| nickpatton | like re-encoding it? | 19:24 |
| johnx | yeah | 19:24 |
| nickpatton | O no not all | 19:24 |
| johnx | then you'll be happy with an n810 I think | 19:24 |
| nickpatton | Ok | 19:24 |
| johnx | are you a linux person? | 19:24 |
| nickpatton | Yeah | 19:24 |
| nickpatton | Bug time | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | Big time | 19:25 |
| johnx | what are you waiting for, go and buy one! | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | ok | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | lol | 19:25 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, March isn't 8 months away. | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | alright thanks for the info | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | bye | 19:25 |
| johnx | ya'll come back now | 19:25 |
| nickpatton | ok bye | 19:25 |
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| johnx | now, who do I talk to about commission? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. if i was to get commision for the people i get to buy tablets or hw, i'd be rich | 19:26 |
| RST38h | gan: that is not what I mean | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:26 |
| RST38h | gan: I mean that if Freemantly is really coming in March, it will have to run on existing hw | 19:27 |
| mavhc | most video podcasts will play fine without reencoding | 19:27 |
| RST38h | s/Freemantly/Freemantle/ | 19:27 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: gan: I mean that if Freemantle is really coming in March, it will have to run on existing hw | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | oh, neat - archos 5th gen was hacked with a bootloader | 19:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, or dev boards | 19:27 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, SDK beta. Not a real OS release. | 19:27 |
| RST38h | oh | 19:27 |
| johnx | or parts could run on the n8x0 | 19:28 |
| GAN800 | Beagle Board | 19:28 |
| johnx | for example gtk hildon apps might work, but not clutter based stuff | 19:28 |
| GAN800 | Did they demo a Beagle today? | 19:28 |
| johnx | ah well, pandora will be my first omap3 device then :) | 19:29 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to getting his beagleboard at work | 19:30 | |
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| qole | try the dark czech beer | 19:48 |
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| rm_you | ono | 19:48 |
| qole | try the dark czech beer | 19:48 |
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| johnx | hey rm_you :D | 19:50 |
| johnx | how's it going | 19:50 |
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| rm_you | conference end | 19:51 |
| rm_you | status: success | 19:51 |
| johnx | success? Nokia replaced their old and busted light/volume applet with yours and slipped you a couple grand under the table? | 19:52 |
| Mek | lol | 19:52 |
| qole | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2873128256/ | 19:54 |
| rm_you | ok, i like your definition of success better :p | 19:55 |
| johnx | every time I decide to quit looking at ITT, there's always an impressive thread that brings me back :| | 19:55 |
| johnx | qole, posting links to private photos? what do I need to do to get on your friends list? | 19:55 |
| qole | private?!? | 19:56 |
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| rm_you | it's private? | 19:56 |
| johnx | flickr says: This photo is private. | 19:56 |
| qole | gps photo makes it private?! | 19:56 |
| johnx | your account policy prolly makes it private | 19:56 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:57 |
| treestone | It sent me over to yahoo.. | 19:57 |
| qole | weird. fixed. | 19:58 |
| * treestone confirms | 19:58 | |
| johnx | so...that's success? | 19:58 |
| qole | gpsphoto flickr upload is broken, it seems. | 19:58 |
| johnx | also, no gps info :P | 19:59 |
| johnx | qole, you might want to check your settings on the flickr web page. it probably affects all new photos, no matter how they get uploaded? | 20:00 |
| johnx | s/ed?/ed/ | 20:00 |
| infobot | johnx meant: qole, you might want to check your settings on the flickr web page. it probably affects all new photos, no matter how they get uploaded | 20:00 |
| Mek | johnx: no gps in an n800 :P | 20:00 |
| johnx | I figured gps-photo would use magic or something (or maybe a bt gps...) | 20:00 |
| johnx | just poking fun :P | 20:01 |
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| qole | no gps info on the photo, no... i have to turn on my bt gps | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, qole here :P | 20:15 |
| * Stskeeps waves | 20:16 | |
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| qole | rm_you got me on | 20:16 |
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| rm_you | :p | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, to join in the shared conciousness of people on c-base chattering about summit ;) | 20:17 |
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| qole | ...while drinking beer | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | your easy debian demo went well? | 20:27 |
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| GAN800 | ehts uh qole | 20:31 |
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| johnx | why are "minimalist" themes all unusable? | 20:38 |
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| ccooke | johnx: because they generally fall into two categories: "Minimalist = Ugly" and "Taking things away but neglecting to replace basic functionality/essential information" | 20:45 |
| johnx | yeah. my big thing is that for some reason all I can find are "minimalist = everything's small and has poor contrast" instead of "minimalist = extraneous stuff is removed" | 20:46 |
| ccooke | Right. | 20:47 |
| dystopia | any news today? | 20:48 |
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| dystopian810 | im bored | 20:48 |
| ccooke | how hard is theme making, anyway? | 20:48 |
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| johnx | depends on what you're theming | 20:49 |
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| johnx | sometimes it even depends on how good of a job you want to do and if you have prior art to start with | 20:49 |
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| ccooke | The advantage of a *proper* minimalist theme is that it's generally pretty light on the artistic detail ;-) | 20:51 |
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| ccooke | For instance, what would work for *me* is an entirely black background, stylistic solid-white icons, a simple and clear font... Oh, and I guess a white-on-black analog clock on the desktop. | 20:52 |
| zs | hi, i would like to download hello-world-app from maemo.org but there is ssl certificate problem, how can i fix it? | 20:54 |
| johnx | i just want clearly distinct buttons that are big and chunky enough so I don't have to daintily tap them with a stylus | 20:54 |
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| ccooke | johnx: hmm. The font doesn't control the actual button size. | 20:55 |
| kpel | ccooke: that would work for me too except from the clock. i prefer it digital like the underlying technology :) | 20:55 |
| ccooke | kpel: there's the statusbar clock for that. | 20:55 |
| ccooke | I *like* that. | 20:55 |
| kpel | actually asus did a nice job with the ui. too bad they don't use a more popular distro. | 20:55 |
| johnx | ccooke, this is a general rant actually, not maemo specific | 20:55 |
| ccooke | johnx: Ahh | 20:55 |
| johnx | zs, what's the exact error you're getting and how are you trying to download | 20:56 |
| ccooke | johnx: Hmm. I'm not sure how my preferences work with a touchscreen UI. I've not really examined them | 20:56 |
| ccooke | on a normal desktop, I prefer *no* buttons at all. | 20:56 |
| johnx | hmm? | 20:57 |
| johnx | keyboard for everything? | 20:57 |
| ccooke | my standard UI for years was a black screen, a round clock (white on black) in the bottom left and a standard placement of three terminals that appear on login. | 20:57 |
| johnx | what did you do for web browsing? | 20:58 |
| johnx | links? | 20:58 |
| ccooke | alt-Enter for a new terminal, the three standard ones automatically start running screen (so I don't need a new terminal often) and a system menu on alt-F1 | 20:58 |
| zs | johnx: can i paste here link to that page? | 20:58 |
| ccooke | web browsing... back when I used WindowMaker, I had it set to automatically start firefox on login on desktop 2, maximised and widgetless. | 20:58 |
| ccooke | with alt-<number> set to switch to desktop <number> | 20:59 |
| johnx | zs, sure, go for it | 20:59 |
| zs | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 20:59 |
| zs | and i am trying to download hello-world-app | 20:59 |
| johnx | zs, "add an exception" | 21:00 |
| johnx | it's a self signed certificate, right? | 21:00 |
| johnx | actually, can't tell why this cert isn't valid | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, Reggie's sorta impeding progress on making itT's minimalist theme nice. | 21:01 |
| trash | johnx: "The certificate is only valid for maemo.org" That's why. | 21:01 |
| johnx | ah, right | 21:01 |
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| zs | johnx: add an exception doesn't work for me, i got an error :/ | 21:02 |
| trash | zs: Because the file is not there anymore. '404 Not Found' | 21:03 |
| zs | trash: so where it is now, is it possible to get is somehow? | 21:03 |
| mavhc | linux: for people afraid of mice | 21:03 |
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| trash | zs: No idea, sorry. | 21:04 |
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| johnx | zs, out of curiosity, is there a reason you're still using bora? | 21:05 |
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| zs | johnx: i got nokia 770, what should i use instead? ;) | 21:07 |
| johnx | good point | 21:07 |
| johnx | some people honestly don't know there are software upgrades for the n800, for example. i was just checking :) | 21:08 |
| johnx | zs, try apt-cache search hello world | 21:09 |
| johnx | see if it's available that way | 21:09 |
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| melmoth | zs may be http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/index.html ? | 21:10 |
| melmoth | i do not know if it works for bora too, but it should for the hello world example | 21:10 |
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| zs | ok thanks i will try :) | 21:11 |
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| sin18 | does anyone know where i can get xmame (for nokia n800 - diablo) from .. on maemo site, the file available is 'xmame.install' and cannot be installed | 21:33 |
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| johnx | sin18, maybe try grabbing the package directly from the chinook extras-devel repository | 21:35 |
| johnx | the base of the URL is contained inside the .install file | 21:35 |
| sin18 | johnx : thanks | 21:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, there's the interesting bit. I'm getting a semi-consistent kernel oops from cx3110x | 21:40 |
| suihkulokki | johnx: tried the stlc45xx driver yet? | 21:42 |
| woglinde | suihkulokki runs only with .27-pre | 21:42 |
| woglinde | or you backported it the last days | 21:42 |
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| timeless | where is openismus? | 22:08 |
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| timeless | ah yes, the wonders of berlin, where 22 can be across from 88 | 22:12 |
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| * rm_you is @ openismus party | 22:17 | |
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| * timeless too | 22:19 | |
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| RST38h | rm_you: Have all 200+ people shown up? | 22:25 |
| timely | Hello world | 22:25 |
| rm_you | lol no | 22:25 |
| RST38h | good for openismus... | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i made a new compile recently for the new apt based one | 22:48 |
| johnx | want me to test it | 22:48 |
| johnx | ? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | sure, find it in trac.tspre.org/deblet | 22:49 |
| johnx | I'm about to head to sleep so it will give my tablet something to do :) | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | (cx3110x-module) | 22:49 |
| johnx | aaah, I see what you're talking about :) | 22:49 |
| johnx | I thought you meant a whole new deblet installer for a sec | 22:49 |
| johnx | I'll install it now and give it a thorough beating tomorrow :) | 22:50 |
| johnx | 'night | 22:51 |
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| sp3000 | timely, https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi "Connectivity: For connectivity problems (phone, bluetooth, wifi)" doesn't say it's where location foo is hidden | 23:14 |
| * sp3000 takes it "party" == "fixing bugzilla component descriptions" ...what could be more fun! :) | 23:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, probably more productive to just file a bug. | 23:23 |
| sp3000 | yeah, doing that | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's andre/guenther's domain these days, anyway. | 23:23 |
| sp3000 | well, filing bugs on irc is very efficient provided someone fixes it live ;) | 23:23 |
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| sodabot | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3733 - Connectivity doesn't hint that it's where Location Framework is | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol? | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott's got a real bugbot on the way. | 23:32 |
| sp3000 | \o/ | 23:32 |
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