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| guenther | geeky conference... 8 he said... | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | a hangover and around 11 for the lucnh | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:03 |
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| brontide | Tim and I will probably be crashing things around 11 assuming no flight delays | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | samoff? (sp) | 00:09 |
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| sp3000 | 'samoff' seems to be the correct spelling. | 00:22 |
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| brontide-alt | Stskeeps: Yep, we're on slow flights over the pond and are meeting up at Tegel | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, say hi from me and thanks for the logo ;) | 00:28 |
| RST38h | General, before I go to sleep, do check the development page layout one more time | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | you should try to do world record wifi connection from plane2plane | 00:28 |
| RST38h | General: It looks like vertical columns have not been such a good idea so I changed them | 00:29 |
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| yacoob | hm... anyone used http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries_WikiPedia.php ? | 00:46 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you happen to remember which kernel .config setting generates fbcon, softcursor, bitblit, font? | 00:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no, there's quite a few of them, can't remember the settings i enabled :/ | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | nm, got it | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically enabling framebuffer console | 00:58 |
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| * GeneralAntilles still doesn't get what allnameswereout's angle is. | 01:00 | |
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| * brontide-alt thinks some people just like to argue | 01:06 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Evidently | 01:07 |
| mikkov_ | if server upgrade isn't done soon, we're in deep shit | 01:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why's that? | 01:10 |
| mikkov_ | maemo.org is beginning to totally unusable | 01:11 |
| mikkov_ | to be | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm? | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's new? | 01:11 |
| dystopia | more of the same | 01:11 |
| brontide-alt | It's frustrating since I would to put more stuff there | 01:12 |
| mikkov_ | not new, now it's getting unbearable even for me | 01:12 |
| mikkov_ | :/ | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it fluctuates. | 01:13 |
| brontide-alt | flatulates more likely | 01:13 |
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| mikkov_ | trend to slower and slower | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stupid Finnish holiday really screwed us over. | 01:14 |
| mikkov_ | what holiday? | 01:15 |
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| brontide-alt | anyways... that's my plane.... be back when I can find reliable internet in Berlin | 01:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The really lame Finnish summer holiday. | 01:15 |
| mikkov_ | that was 1.5 months ago | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | We might be a month into new servers if it weren't for the holiday. | 01:16 |
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| mikkov_ | and generally you can keep your holidays somewhere between may and august | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: noticed "Kernel Execute-In-Place from ROM" in .config btw | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | My point being, the people at the ISP needed to get the upgrade move going went on hoilday | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: (not active) | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | which delayed the upgrade until now. | 01:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah, .config has a lot of things (like kexec) but they don't work :( | 01:20 |
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| sneakret | I can't help noticing that when I click a URL in xterm, it underlines but doesn't open. Is there a way to make it open? | 01:24 |
| sneakret | like ctrl-click | 01:24 |
| sneakret | or sumfin | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | grab my xterm mod | 01:25 |
| sneakret | gimme :) | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they disabled the context menu because of bugs, i reenabled because open url worked fine :) | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | a sec :) | 01:25 |
| dystopia | holy day:-) | 01:25 |
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| dystopia | is it possible to actually use a newer kernel than the stock using the .config from old ? | 01:26 |
| sneakret | also, is there any way to make urls open in a new browser, instead of clobbering my existing one? | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sneakret: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23291 | 01:26 |
| sneakret | thanks! | 01:27 |
| dystopia | ironically he can't click on it :0) | 01:27 |
| sneakret | I noticed that irony myself! :) | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | using irssi? :p | 01:28 |
| sneakret | and... wouldn't it be nice to be able to open a URL from the search applet? | 01:28 |
| dystopia | once you got it working i'll send you a link to http://www.unixsex.com | 01:29 |
| sneakret | can't screen xchat | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can get xchat for maemo | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's in diablo extras-devel | 01:30 |
| GAN800 | You can proxy it, though. | 01:30 |
| sneakret | dircproxy or something? | 01:30 |
| dystopia | irssi-proxy | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ssh -X forwarding i'd presume | 01:30 |
| GAN800 | irssi-proxy | 01:30 |
| mikkov_ | it's good to know that maemo.org maintainer is close to his work place ;) http://nemein.com/en/people/ | 01:30 |
| sneakret | ah, cool. I'll check it out then! | 01:30 |
| dystopia | there is a manual about this on http://www.irssi.org or type /set proxy | 01:31 |
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| mikkov_ | is there some reason why xchat is only in extras-devel? | 01:32 |
| sneakret | seems like it should be possible to add an Open URL to the search applet... has that been done? | 01:32 |
| guenther | timeless: HAHA | 01:32 |
| GAN800 | mikkov, mgedmin is working on cleaning up the packaging. | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: mgedmin explained on -developers that there are too much locale packages | 01:33 |
| guenther | Thanks for the uppercase hint. :) That was from memory, but I am positive it actually is upper case. | 01:33 |
| guenther | timelyx: ^^ Or is it you? ;) | 01:33 |
| dystopia | it does clutter the list | 01:33 |
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| mikkov_xchat | I think that xchat could be in extras. Seems to work fine | 01:39 |
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| sneakret | qwerty12_N800: No tidy little patched xterm package, eh? | 01:39 |
| GAN800 | Like we said, it's just the packaging. ;) | 01:39 |
| GAN800 | If somebody wants to jump in and clean it up for him, I'm sure he wouldn't mind. | 01:39 |
| mikkov_ | packaging can be fixed later. | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sneakret: it's a deb. | 01:39 |
| mikkov_ | jus promoting xchat should be fine | 01:40 |
| sneakret | ah.... I thought it was just a .patch | 01:40 |
| GAN800 | I need to get a windshield holder for the tablet for my headboard. . . . | 01:41 |
| sneakret | Oh! didn't see the attachment | 01:41 |
| sneakret | d'oh | 01:41 |
| mikkov_xchat | xchat statusbar thing seems pretty useless to me | 01:42 |
| GAN800 | It is | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it can be disabled in settings | 01:42 |
| GAN800 | Turn it off in prefs. | 01:42 |
| mikkov_ | i would vote for totally removing it ;) | 01:43 |
| GAN800 | Disabled by default, maybe. | 01:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, let's see | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ari's talk is at 11:55 UTC+2 tomorrow | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5:55 local | 01:45 |
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| Chani | why do I have a window called 'browserd' under all my other windows, showing gmail which I thought I just closed? | 01:47 |
| robink | Argh, I'm missing Maemo-Summit | 01:48 |
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| dystopia | 17:55 tomorow? live? | 01:53 |
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| GAN800 | AM | 01:57 |
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| GAN800 | Doubtf there'll be a webcast | 01:57 |
| GAN800 | Somebody should be updating us here. | 01:57 |
| lcuk | if i crash out of a program - what happens to the memory - is it all freed up or can it be slowly eaten | 01:58 |
| robink | 04:55 PDT. | 01:58 |
| dystopia | so in about 10 hours | 01:58 |
| robink | Assuming it's at 11:55PM over there. | 01:59 |
| dystopia | 11:55 UTC+2 (Finland time), that is 10:55 in Berlin | 02:00 |
| dystopia | AM | 02:00 |
| GAN800 | Oh, Berlin is +1? | 02:00 |
| dystopia | Berlin is +1, Finland +2 | 02:00 |
| GAN800 | It's in Berlin, not Finland. | 02:01 |
| dystopia | so its in about 11 hours | 02:01 |
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| robink | 02:55 PDT? | 02:01 |
| robink | (GMT -0700)? | 02:02 |
| GAN800 | EDT is -4, PDT is -7 | 02:02 |
| robink | GAN800: You guys are EDT? | 02:02 |
| GAN800 | I am. | 02:02 |
| robink | GAN800: I assume GeneralAntilles is as well. | 02:02 |
| GAN800 | I'm not sure who 'guys' is. | 02:02 |
| * GAN800 <- GeneralAntilles800 | 02:03 | |
| dystopia | lol | 02:03 |
| GAN800 | s/800/N800/ | 02:03 |
| robink | haha OK n/m | 02:03 |
| robink | GAN800: Gotcha. | 02:03 |
| dystopia | robink: you're right though | 02:03 |
| robink | dystopia: Hurrah. | 02:03 |
| dystopia | hope some german news service will report about OSiM | 02:04 |
| GAN800 | baloo's got a 720p camera | 02:06 |
| GAN800 | So we'll be getting itat some point. | 02:07 |
| mikkov_ | dystopia: Finland is +3 | 02:07 |
| robink | GAN800: One of those $200 720p cameras? | 02:07 |
| GAN800 | Somebody might be able to swing a ustream feed if wifi isn't totally slammed there. | 02:07 |
| GAN800 | robink, no, I think he's got something real. | 02:07 |
| robink | mikkov_: Doesn't Finland have more than one TZ? | 02:07 |
| GAN800 | There's and equipment list on the wiki. | 02:08 |
| mikkov_ | robink: no | 02:08 |
| robink | GAN800: The only 720p cameras I could find were ~$200. | 02:08 |
| robink | mikkov_: Oh, 'k. | 02:08 |
| Mek | I think berlin is in CEST, and thus UTC+2... | 02:08 |
| GAN800 | robink, most big camera manufacturers have at least one now. | 02:08 |
| robink | GAN800: Didn't know that. | 02:08 |
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| mikkov_ | it's daylight saving time | 02:09 |
| robink | mikkov_: Ahh. | 02:09 |
| mikkov_ | or summer time | 02:09 |
| GAN800 | DST need | 02:09 |
| GAN800 | s die | 02:09 |
| GAN800 | Stupid fkb | 02:09 |
| robink | Why was it initated anyway? | 02:09 |
| mikkov_ | GAN800: agreed ;) (abot dst) | 02:09 |
| robink | s/ita/itia/ | 02:10 |
| infobot | robink meant: Why was it initiated anyway? | 02:10 |
| GAN800 | Likes to randomly send when I don't want it to and refuses to when I do. | 02:10 |
| mikkov_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time might have some reasoning | 02:10 |
| GAN800 | robink, ~wikipedia dst | 02:10 |
| GAN800 | lol | 02:10 |
| GAN800 | Stupid fkb again | 02:10 |
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| dystopia | Berlin is on GMT+1 | 02:18 |
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| mikkov_ | during dst +2 | 02:19 |
| mikkov_ | GMT was deprecated some 30 years ago | 02:20 |
| dystopia | what is the time in london? | 02:22 |
| dystopia | DST+1? | 02:22 |
| dystopia | this is the current time in berlin: | 02:22 |
| guenther | err | 02:22 |
| mikkov_ | UTC+1 | 02:22 |
| dystopia | Wed Sep 17 01:23:16 CEST 2008 | 02:22 |
| guenther | Berlin is UTC +1, currently UTC +2 due to dailight saving. | 02:23 |
| guenther | London is UTC. ;) | 02:23 |
| guenther | So, right now... +0100 | 02:23 |
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| guenther | Helsinki, btw, is UTC +2, thus +0300 now due to daylight saving time. | 02:25 |
| guenther | Same for Instanbul. :) | 02:25 |
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| dystopia | i get it, but i assumed the timezone, like for example CEST, would automatically take DST into account | 02:26 |
| dystopia | so CEST (and if DST is in effect its +1) that how i always counted; wrong | 02:27 |
| guenther | If you have that S in the timezone name... yes | 02:27 |
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| dystopia | without S its correct? | 02:27 |
| guenther | CEST is central european summer time | 02:27 |
| dystopia | ahh i see | 02:28 |
| dystopia | CET or CEST | 02:28 |
| guenther | Same as CET. Just the other half of the year. | 02:28 |
| dystopia | and if you use GMT+1 this isn't possible with +S | 02:28 |
| guenther | aye | 02:28 |
| guenther | I can't memorize these acronyms anyway. | 02:29 |
| guenther | I use timezone offsets internally. :) | 02:29 |
| dystopia | thats why i prefer GMT+1 etc | 02:29 |
| guenther | UTC +1 | 02:29 |
| GAN800 | UTC | 02:29 |
| guenther | GMT is deprecated :) | 02:29 |
| GAN800 | GMT is dead | 02:30 |
| dystopia | and i counted from london, so if london is in summer time and so am i, no need to take DST into account | 02:30 |
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| guenther | You rarely need to anyway. | 02:30 |
| guenther | Most countries do have DST. | 02:30 |
| dystopia | but the DST goes into effet on different times throuhout the world | 02:31 |
| mikkov_ | these countries don't have DST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_around_the_world#No_DST | 02:31 |
| guenther | Differs a week or two, occasionally. But other than that time, it's safe to simply drop the DST and just use timezone offsets. | 02:31 |
| dystopia | few years ago i almost missed an airplane due to that | 02:32 |
| guenther | heh | 02:32 |
| * lcuk would rather walk around the airport for 4 hours than ever risk that chance | 02:32 | |
| guenther | DST change already in effect, though you didn't know because "yours" isn't? | 02:32 |
| lcuk | i have my nokia, i can be entertained :) | 02:32 |
| mikkov_ | isn't whole EU changing DST at the time now? | 02:33 |
| lcuk | i think im ready now by the way | 02:33 |
| mikkov_ | at the same time | 02:33 |
| guenther | dunno, possibly | 02:33 |
| guenther | EU and US don't, that I know... | 02:34 |
| guenther | Oh, and that some US states changed it recently. | 02:34 |
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| guenther | Caused some major trouble with PIM software... | 02:34 |
| dystopia | guenther: exactly | 02:35 |
| guenther | Read: All appointments off by 1 hour. | 02:35 |
| guenther | That was fun. :) | 02:35 |
| dystopia | i always use that excuse when i'm late on appt but it gets old quickly for some reason | 02:35 |
| guenther | heh :) | 02:36 |
| dystopia | "my PDA was broken" | 02:36 |
| robink | GAN800, guenther: Thanks; good to know. | 02:36 |
| guenther | I was effected only indirectly by that change. Dealt with lots of users... | 02:36 |
| guenther | dystopia: yeah, you can use that a few times | 02:37 |
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| dystopia | must be hell experiencing that same problem again and again | 02:37 |
| guenther | Just be careful to use it a week, and then let a couple months pass before you use it again. ;) | 02:37 |
| Veggen | <---wasjust out on town with a large (200 million dollar) customer, a vendor and an agenda. | 02:38 |
| Veggen | was weird. | 02:38 |
| dystopia | mt other excuse is that i couldnt find my house keys | 02:38 |
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| dystopia | although i had to use that only once thus far :0) | 02:38 |
| Veggen | ok, customer was drunk and might not have as much power as he says he has :) | 02:39 |
| * dystopia grins | 02:39 | |
| guenther | $ ps axw | grep [/]hildon-desktop | wc -l | 02:40 |
| guenther | 2 | 02:40 |
| guenther | Is that normal? | 02:40 |
| dystopia | at least he wasn't on cocaine | 02:40 |
| guenther | Straight after boot. | 02:40 |
| dystopia | don't know, but here 2 as well | 02:40 |
| mikkov_ | guenther: it's normal | 02:40 |
| GAN800 | er, grep and the real hildon-desktop? | 02:40 |
| dystopia | the processes id are following up too | 02:41 |
| guenther | GAN800: No, that's what the [] is for. :) | 02:41 |
| guenther | Not counting grep. | 02:41 |
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| dystopia | i also have 2 hildon-input-method, also PID in sequence | 02:41 |
| guenther | dystopia: exactly | 02:41 |
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| guenther | ok, cool, thanks guys | 02:41 |
| guenther | So that's not my crashing desktop issue. | 02:42 |
| dystopia | hehe:-) | 02:42 |
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| guenther | already ponder a re-flash | 02:42 |
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| Veggen | dystopia: nah. but it was still weird. We're a vendor, another part of our company is a vendor at a different level, and some of the business of this London trip might affect that, cause they might be buying something of someone else instead of us (them), and give us (another part) the maintenance job. | 02:44 |
| Veggen | polictics. | 02:44 |
| * dystopia is getting a headache already | 02:47 | |
| dystopia | :> | 02:47 |
| Veggen | dystopia: so we just had a hotel lobby chat that I'm not sure that we should have had. but we were drunk, he was drunk, are we excused? I dunno :) | 02:48 |
| dystopia | maybe such leads to regaining confidence :0) | 02:49 |
| guenther | Veggen: harmonically? | 02:50 |
| guenther | No disagreements, just fun? | 02:50 |
| Veggen | guenther: harmonically. | 02:50 |
| guenther | Then it sounds like whatever the topic was, it was right. | 02:50 |
| guenther | Makes customers stay. ;) | 02:51 |
| Veggen | I hope so :) | 02:51 |
| dystopia | one time at FOSDEM, we (linux developers) went out to dinner to a restaurant some openbsd guy recommended, they came later, and after we ate while they were still ating, we saw a cockroach.. enjoy your meal and see you tomorow ;-) | 02:51 |
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| timeless | can someone please help me? | 03:51 |
| timeless | i'm getting an error from some part of apt | 03:51 |
| timeless | i'm doing: apt-get update | 03:52 |
| timeless | and i get: Unable to parse package file /path/something-armel_Packages | 03:52 |
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| elekt | whoa 4 minute lag | 03:56 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, you about? | 04:27 |
| timeless | sp3000: ok, script seems to be doing something :) | 04:27 |
| lcuk | timeless, are you goin to the summit | 04:27 |
| timeless | i fly in a few hours | 04:28 |
| lcuk | i dont leave for another 24h | 04:28 |
| lcuk | nervous? | 04:28 |
| timeless | an assistant booked the flight for me | 04:28 |
| lcuk | or lookin forward to it | 04:29 |
| timeless | about giving a presentation w/o any prep? | 04:29 |
| timeless | oh sure, i look forward to it | 04:29 |
| timeless | i can't wait for one of us to be skewered | 04:29 |
| timeless | ... | 04:29 |
| lcuk | heh, ive not written mine either yet :) | 04:29 |
| timeless | do you know anything about the place where the presentations will be? | 04:29 |
| lcuk | but i know exactly the path im taking this time | 04:29 |
| lcuk | not a damned clue | 04:29 |
| lcuk | i know some of the people setting it up have been in | 04:29 |
| timeless | anyway, my script is doing "something" | 04:29 |
| lcuk | we have requested a special display stand - an overhead camera for showing nokias on big screen | 04:30 |
| timeless | ah, good, i was wondering about that | 04:30 |
| lcuk | i *need* that ;) | 04:30 |
| timeless | what about support for powerpoint/whiteboards? | 04:30 |
| lcuk | BOYLT | 04:30 |
| * timeless should find a device w/ a modern version of the platform | 04:31 | |
| lcuk | BYOLT even | 04:31 |
| timeless | BOYLT? | 04:31 |
| lcuk | they will have one there a desktop machine setup for presentations though i believe | 04:31 |
| lcuk | bring your own | 04:31 |
| lcuk | but cant be guaranteed i dont think | 04:31 |
| lcuk | at linuxtag everyone took their own | 04:32 |
| timeless | ok, what if i just want a whiteboard instead of using a laptop? :) | 04:32 |
| lcuk | anyway, its bed time | 04:32 |
| * timeless isn't really a fan of powerpoint | 04:33 | |
| lcuk | crashanddie, if you wake up, check your mails, theres a package waiting | 04:33 |
| timeless | it should be packing time for me | 04:33 |
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| lcuk | have a safe journey timeless, ill see you there | 04:34 |
| * timeless wonders if they provide name tags | 04:34 | |
| timeless | and thanks :) | 04:34 |
| lcuk | best had do - i want a collection | 04:35 |
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| gregorovius_ | sorry, my connection dropped, did my question make it through? | 04:45 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey | 04:57 |
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| gregorovius | is it possible that the upnp plugin for canola is making it stay more active and consume more battery even in offline mode? | 05:17 |
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| timeless | cool new problem | 05:42 |
| timeless | i'm not allowed to get sources for closed binaries :) | 05:42 |
| summatusmentis | go figure | 05:42 |
| timeless | summatusmentis: i'm inside nokia's firewall | 05:42 |
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| summatusmentis | oh, you normally have access? | 05:43 |
| summatusmentis | that's different | 05:43 |
| timeless | well, um... depends on your definition of normally | 05:43 |
| timeless | historically these packages were posted as binaries w/o sources | 05:43 |
| timeless | now there are source packages and the build system builds them | 05:43 |
| timeless | but it limits who's allowed to get the source packages | 05:43 |
| summatusmentis | I see | 05:45 |
| timeless | it's actually progress | 05:46 |
| summatusmentis | you couldn't get the source before, you can't get the source now... how is that progress? | 05:47 |
| timeless | at least the same system that builds most packages builds their packages | 05:47 |
| timeless | which means there are fewer variables in the build system | 05:47 |
| summatusmentis | that's fair :) | 05:47 |
| timeless | i should figure out what to do | 05:49 |
| timeless | because right now those packages give 0 representation | 05:49 |
| timeless | where it might be nice to at least ICK | 05:49 |
| timeless | dpkg-source: error: cannot open .dsc file ./libgc_1:6.6-2osso2.dsc: No such file or directory | 05:49 |
| timeless | "that's not right" :( | 05:50 |
| timeless | odd, libncurces-dev isn't listed as a missing package here | 05:53 |
| * timeless wonders if it was already fixed | 05:53 | |
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| timeless | actually, i think it's about time for me to go to the airport | 05:56 |
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| timeless | ok, interesting failure case: | 06:38 |
| timeless | rsync: open "/home/timeless/xref/autoconf/tests/acc.at" failed: Permission denied (13) | 06:38 |
| timeless | the file is -r--r--r-- | 06:39 |
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| dystopia | rsync is a lying scumbag:-) | 06:43 |
| timeless | nah, it's doing what i told it to do | 06:44 |
| timeless | the question then is... why did i tell it to do that? | 06:44 |
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| zpol | night | 07:01 |
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| * timeless cries | 07:14 | |
| * gregorovius hugs timeless | 07:15 | |
| gregorovius | poor dev... | 07:15 |
| timeless | my script collected something like 150/900 items | 07:16 |
| timeless | 175/950 v 400 for the previous script | 07:17 |
| timeless | so instead of doubling, i've lost more than 50% | 07:17 |
| gregorovius | which way is the good way? | 07:17 |
| timeless | 950 is what i want | 07:17 |
| gregorovius | (i've no idea what you're doing) | 07:17 |
| timeless | although i'm not sure that's a correct number | 07:18 |
| timeless | mostly bigger is better | 07:18 |
| gregorovius | ups, gotta go | 07:18 |
| gregorovius | good luck with those numbers growing =) | 07:18 |
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| timeless | i'm making something like http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ | 07:18 |
| timeless | except for something after chinook | 07:19 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 07:42 |
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| Pavlov | hey, is it possible to replace the screen on an n810? | 07:51 |
| Pavlov | like, when the lcd seems to have gotten cracked on the one you use? | 07:52 |
| dystopia | contact nokia support to get it fixed | 07:52 |
| johnx_ | funny you should mention that...I just saw a place with n810 parts referenced on ITT. I can't vouch for them, though: http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/search-1.html?keyword=nokia%20n810 | 07:53 |
| Pavlov | dunno how it got cracked but its right through the screen | 07:54 |
| Pavlov | mm | 07:54 |
| Pavlov | fun! | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 08:47 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/cx3110x-umac-module/debian/rules <- worst hack ever | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | a debian package that can be built without dpkg-buildpackage, just debian/rules binary binary-arch | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:48 |
| qwerty12 | lol :P, dpkg-deb in a rules file... :P | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | well that's actually indirectly what's done really | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | dh_builddeb does similar things | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | and a rules files is actually deep down just a makefile | 08:49 |
| * qwerty12 also just realised that that isn't a debian rules file. /me wakes up :) | 08:49 | |
| qwerty12 | Oh, wait, now I see the title. I'm wasted :P | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | im having breakfast right now too to wake up :P | 08:50 |
| qwerty12 | I'll have to resort to whacking myself with a bottle :P | 08:51 |
| qwerty12 | + I'm attempting to modify some code. If you have my "skills", not a good idea @ this time >.< | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | but my build-on-tablet process is much saner now.. apt-get -d source <non-free module>, tar -zxf <non-free-module>*.tar.gz, cd <non-free-module>, debian/rules binary binary-arch | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | and just requires make as an dependancy | 08:52 |
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| dystopia | hello rm_you, you lil wardriver :-) | 09:20 |
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| user__ | hi | 09:23 |
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| rm_you | lol | 09:43 |
| rm_you | heading to osim now >_> | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | report live ;) | 09:44 |
| dystopia | enjoy rm_you!! | 09:45 |
| dystopia | how do you like berlin thus far ? | 09:46 |
| dystopia | (probably drunk already ehh? :P) | 09:46 |
| dystopia | ari's talk is in 3 hrs | 09:46 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:17 |
| solmumaha | morning | 10:17 |
| jsmanrique | morning | 10:22 |
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| Jaffa | lo from OSiM | 10:30 |
| jott | hello jaffa. so you got wlan for live coverage? :) | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | If you want to know, apparently, about the next Maemo device (maybe not called an "Internet Tablet"), look at the flood of patches sent last night to linux-kernel | 10:33 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: is there any streaming from the conference | 10:33 |
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| jsmanrique | ? | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | Not from OSiM, AFAIK | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | I'll be typing here during Ari Jaaksi's keynote, though. | 10:34 |
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| jsmanrique | Jaffa: ok, it is at 11:45, isn't it? | 10:35 |
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| jsmanrique | Jaffa: so, maemo "next device" is more than a rumour? | 10:35 |
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| Jaffa | jsmanrique: 09:55 \âGMT - about 1.25 hours | 10:39 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:40 |
| jsmanrique | hi Khertan | 10:40 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: we need a bingo card, similar to Apple's keynote ones :-D | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | :) | 10:41 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: do you have a link of this commit web log ? | 10:41 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, is there a link to that commits? | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | no, not found it yet - bit tricky to pin it down on an $810 | 10:41 |
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| jsmanrique | maybe fremantle will be presented today | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | Should be | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://source.mvista.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's normally what I watch. | 10:42 |
| rm_you | woot | 10:42 |
| inz | Jaffa, that's one cool flood, especially the bits like "Fixed OMAP3 version check" and "debobs support for OMAP3430" | 10:43 |
| Khertan | thx GeneralAntilles | 10:43 |
| rm_you | at osim booth | 10:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, get a demo going with VGB and a Wiimote. :D | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: with Reggie and rogers in Android keynote | 10:43 |
| Khertan | many OMAP3 fixes ... | 10:44 |
| Khertan | interesting | 10:44 |
| Jaffa | Some of the audio layer may have been closed because of lots of stuff in there which'd make sense only in a certain context | 10:45 |
| Khertan | ARM: OMAP: Split omap2 cpu detection into 24xx and 34xx specific functions | 10:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:45 |
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| jsmanrique | and some gumstix and beagleboard related stuff... | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lotta that. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though most of that hacking isn't in mainline yet. | 10:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://source.mvista.com/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commit;h=de1121fdb899f762b9e717f44eaf3fae7c00cd3e | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | SGX == PowerVR | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Rumour here so far: including some phone component, massively more powerful, 32GB storage, massively multimedia oriented, not called an "Internet Tablet" | 10:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phone? | 10:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | :shudder: | 10:53 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: Maemo phone? | 10:54 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, remember wwan != phone | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, anything cellular is bad news in my book. | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | As long aas it's not more expensive, more restrictive and still has BT connection as Tier1 | 10:54 |
| lcuk | and a kb | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | agreed | 10:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather not have the keyboard, myself. ;) | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | tsk, shush you | 10:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 10:56 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:56 |
| dystopia | Jaffa: thank you for the update! | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | will get my laptop out for the Maemo keynote fror faster typing | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, watch, it'll be a UMPC with an Atom. | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | heh | 10:57 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, with an n96 glued to the back :D | 10:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | "component" | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | "That'll be $2499 please" | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, they'll provide a little 3-inch USB dongle for the N96 for faster tethering. ;) | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, have you converted all the demo units to only demo Advanced Backlight yet? | 10:59 |
| jsmanrique | no, please, keep the price low :-D | 10:59 |
| * Jaffa now has to associate rm_you nick, name and face | 11:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, go hit him with a stick for me. | 11:00 |
| jsmanrique | is there any info from nokia related sources about new devices? | 11:00 |
| jsmanrique | maybe, a good camera? | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | jsmanrique, no. | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Nokia does not announce future hardware plans" | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | Two hours (sorry, got time wrong) | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically, like got a lot of incredibly irritating cheeky laughter from a rat in Texas | 11:01 |
| johnx_ | jsmanrique, just lurk and watch or dig through the logs for the channel | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a lot of OMAP3-related commits to linux-omap from @nokia folks. | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Basically, like/Basically, we've/ | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | anything popping up on freedesktop stuff? (xorg) | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I suppose it's a possibility, I haven't been paying attention, though. | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | Oh, other rumour: no new device before xmas | 11:02 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:02 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: where are you? still android? | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that one makes sense. | 11:02 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, that would make sense | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 ES3.0 isn't shipping 'til November | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: at front, now T-Mobile talking about how cool open stuff is | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and they've got to actually get it into the devices before they ship. | 11:03 |
| jsmanrique | new "devices" should come with "better" camera... | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, everybody and his brother is going to be clamoring for the new OMAP3 silicon once its out. | 11:03 |
| jsmanrique | so, first there should be a new "OS" update | 11:04 |
| Jaffa | Fremantle won't be released without device, IMHO | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There'll be Fremantle alphas and betas in some form | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I'm with Jaffa, it wont be coming without a new tablet. | 11:04 |
| rm_you | gonna have to move to ad-hoc to set up the mediaserv demo, so i'll have to drop offline | 11:05 |
| rm_you | this network is blocking like all traffic | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Oooh, there's going to be a mediaserv demo on the stand? | 11:06 |
| rm_you | i told you i would ;P | 11:06 |
| * Jaffa == proud (had forgotten ;-)) | 11:07 | |
| rm_you | i seem to remember asking you if i could do it ;p | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | I remember now | 11:07 |
| rm_you | anyway, dropping off to get that set up | 11:07 |
| johnx_ | rm_you, good luck! | 11:07 |
| * johnx_ heads off to work | 11:08 | |
| jsmanrique | why should fremantle come with a new device? | 11:08 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: drop by when you can :P | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | cos all new OS releases have | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: will do (got my lanyard already) | 11:08 |
| jsmanrique | it works (or should work) in actual N810 devices (so, N800 too?) | 11:08 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: yes, that's true | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | bigger marketing splash | 11:09 |
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| jsmanrique | anyone knows if OH people (Mathew Allum i.e.) will be in Maemo Summit? | 11:10 |
| jsmanrique | how has Intel buying OH has affected that? | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | dunno | 11:10 |
| mgedmin | wasn't there a list of attendees somewhere? | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | on the main summit (non wiki) page | 11:11 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ | 11:11 |
| mgedmin | Matthew Allum is there | 11:11 |
| jsmanrique | yes, I know | 11:12 |
| jsmanrique | just asking for an update, nothing else... | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | I'm sure he'll be asked | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | someone whack him for _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_INPUT, as that makes most on screen input be monopolized to matchbox-wm | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:13 |
| jsmanrique | http://tabletblog.com/2008/09/live-from-osim-last-internet-tablet.html | 11:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, any chance you could push XChat to Extras and just not the language packs for now? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | when is the talk btw? (in how many hours) | 11:15 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: promote, you mean? | 11:15 |
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| mgedmin | sounds like a great idea! | 11:15 |
| mgedmin | um, is that possible? | 11:15 |
| mgedmin | does promotion work on the binary package level, or the source package level? | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: 1.5. Stay here for live updates | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: binary | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | meh, means i'll have to skip lunch. hunger strike for new tablet | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:16 |
| mgedmin | yay | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | (.. or i could bring my tablet, hmm..) | 11:16 |
| Jaffa | (well, both - no recompilation) | 11:16 |
| mgedmin | "ending in name"? | 11:16 |
| Jaffa | "Interrnet Tablet" possibly being dropped | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | it'll now be Token Ring Tablet | 11:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, push, promote, same thing. ;) | 11:17 |
| jsmanrique | does anyone knows qik service? | 11:17 |
| mgedmin | *sigh* maemo still slow as molasses | 11:17 |
| jsmanrique | if someone is at OSiM with a mobile phone with video camera and wlan, perhaps someone could publish a stream | 11:17 |
| mgedmin | and I don't even know what molasses are | 11:18 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: promoted | 11:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 11:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tick-tick-tick-tick | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting that the latest round of DSLRs have 720p | 11:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a 14.7 megapixel consumer cam for $400 | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hellooooo, noise city. | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | there should be a hunt for people with obvious unreleased tablets on OSiM ;) | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 11:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a "preview" presentation during the Summit from an @nokia person | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've decided that lcuk is going to mug him for whatever tablet he's got. | 11:26 |
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| keesj | the standard trick is to listen to bt device names | 11:30 |
| sneakret | assuming they're discoverable | 11:31 |
| Pavlov | sounds nice | 11:31 |
| * Pavlov should have gone | 11:31 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha, stupid people moaning about MicroUSB being less durable than MiniUSB. | 11:33 |
| Alystair | wait another standard? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: yeah, especially since the tablets are called Nokiasomething | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's smaller and more durable than MiniUSB | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alystair, the N810 uses it. | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.hellomotoq.com/forums/media/1648/microusb.jpg | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroUSB is on the right. | 11:34 |
| Alystair | oh wow | 11:34 |
| Alystair | cool. | 11:35 |
| Alystair | it IS a universal standard right? not another phone-charger like situation :) | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a USB standard, yes. | 11:35 |
| Alystair | Then I'm all for it! Hooray. | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only real problem with it is that not many devices use it yet | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it's hard to find cables. | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whereas I've got about 6 MiniUSB cables just lying around behind my desk here. ;) | 11:37 |
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| mgedmin | afaiu all new phones use it | 11:38 |
| mgedmin | or at least are supposed to | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | 1 hour to go | 11:45 |
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| * Jaffa just saw someone in the audience with a maemo.org lanyard put away a Psion 5mx. | 11:50 | |
| Jaffa | Ticks all my boxes ;-) | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | i had an old ass psion organizer.. i wonder where i left it | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | it worked still after what 10 years though | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newton was my thing | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | i always kinda wanted a newton in my childhood :P | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | Ditto. | 11:53 |
| Blafasel | How's osim so far? | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Newton is pretty awesome. | 11:56 |
| Blafasel | And is there any plan for a pre-summit gathering? | 11:56 |
| Blafasel | Tomorrow night? | 11:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=224533 | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | That guy's in for a fun time. | 12:04 |
| Khertan | Rahhh ! I hate google docs ! | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50 minutes | 12:06 |
| sneakret | what'd google docs do to you? | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Killed his family, clearly. | 12:08 |
| sneakret | I meant besides that. | 12:08 |
| Khertan | it have just kill my presentation | 12:08 |
| Khertan | for py2deb | 12:08 |
| sneakret | Ugh. | 12:08 |
| sneakret | when are you presenting? | 12:08 |
| Khertan | the pdf generated isn't the same as what i can see in google docs | 12:08 |
| Khertan | sneakret: i ll present a new version of mCalendar and py2deb in light session | 12:09 |
| sneakret | New mCalendar? Cool! | 12:09 |
| Khertan | i don't speak english well enough to made an interesting presentation ... | 12:09 |
| Khertan | more than 10 min | 12:09 |
| Khertan | rahah .... now google docs insert interline between line ! | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, just give it in French! | 12:10 |
| yacoob | what are you people ticking to? | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you see my email on -community? | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | yacoob, Ari's presentation at OSiM World. | 12:11 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep but i want that there is more than 1 people at my presentations : | 12:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:13 |
| Khertan | oups ... google docs now is freeze | 12:13 |
| Khertan | lol | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, give it in English, but pad it out with interspersed violent cursing in French. | 12:13 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: for a lightning session i ll be able to do it in english | 12:14 |
| AStorm | hmm, how can I find out which repo is blocking my update? | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the log? | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | and by "update" you mean? | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Refreshing the repos? | 12:15 |
| AStorm | right now, updating seems to have hanged at 1,67 MB (yes, I don't do that often) | 12:15 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:15 |
| AStorm | where is the log? | 12:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | In the menu in Application manager | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Logs... | 12:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, just run an apt-get update as root in XTerm | 12:15 |
| AStorm | i'll do that then | 12:15 |
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| AStorm | garage.maemo.org is down or what? | 12:17 |
| mgedmin | oh maemo.org, you | 12:18 |
| mgedmin | down again??? | 12:18 |
| * mgedmin shakes his head | 12:18 | |
| Blafasel | I'm really looking forward to 2 days of irl lurking ;) | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, fwiw, the maemo.org repos are working fine here. | 12:19 |
| AStorm | yes, they are | 12:19 |
| AStorm | modest.garage.maemo.org is not etc. | 12:19 |
| AStorm | I have to fix these | 12:19 |
| AStorm | where are they now? | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo? | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just delete it. | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not really usable in Diablo. | 12:20 |
| AStorm | chinook | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, time to upgrade. :P | 12:20 |
| AStorm | I'm waiting till Canola works well with Diablo | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't? | 12:20 |
| AStorm | and, i'd have to redo all my hacks | 12:20 |
| AStorm | this is work ;P | 12:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/non-free/c/ | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planet seems to be down. | 12:21 |
| AStorm | hopefully, there is lms-ogg | 12:22 |
| AStorm | NO. there's none | 12:23 |
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| AStorm | they should be kicked really hard | 12:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | kulve just updated ogg-support for Diablo. | 12:23 |
| AStorm | what is the use of ogg-support, if there's no lms-ogg? | 12:23 |
| AStorm | canola won't see the files | 12:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go prod #canola | 12:23 |
| AStorm | done | 12:25 |
| kulve | ogg-support tries to add ogg-support for n8x0. Not for some special 3rd party app, like Canola | 12:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, now just wait for it not to be 5 AM in Brazil. ;) | 12:26 |
| AStorm | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ - is this down? :P | 12:26 |
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| yerga | AStorm, complete maemo.org is down or very overloaded ;) | 12:28 |
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| AStorm | heh | 12:30 |
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| AStorm | /., dug and buried? ;) | 12:30 |
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| rm_you | back. keynote in like 20 min >_> | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | We demand a live video feed. | 12:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Figure it out. | 12:36 |
| johnx | rm_you, madness :D | 12:37 |
| brontide | I'm here | 12:37 |
| Mek | some live typing in here whatever Ari says would be okay for me too :P | 12:37 |
| brontide | I'll summarize the interesting bits | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, OK, we've got you and Jaffa. | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your summaries will be scored. | 12:38 |
| trenka | when he is talking? | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The winner wont receive 50 lashings. | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | trenka, just under 20 minutes. | 12:38 |
| trenka | thanks | 12:38 |
| * Jaffa is in place. Laptop connected. | 12:38 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, maybe give the winner o karma point ;p | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | http://twemes.com/OSiM is emptyish | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | Running later. | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | s/r// | 12:39 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Running late. | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Twitter sucks | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | 11:30 talk runs for 25 mins and hasn't started yet. | 12:39 |
| * brontide is going on 24 hours with no sleep, so he might nod off if it's not too exciting | 12:39 | |
| Jaffa | brontide: you in the room? | 12:39 |
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| * robink upgraded his kernel modules and now modules.dep is missing and module-init-tools conflicts with BusyBox. | 12:40 | |
| * Jaffa is down at the front, on the right (was on the left before) | 12:40 | |
| robink | :( | 12:40 |
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| brontide | yes, mac striped shirt | 12:41 |
| rm_you | is there much space? i am still at the booth. need to head over there | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: loads. | 12:41 |
| rm_you | k | 12:41 |
| brontide | lappy, or NIT? | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | lappy | 12:41 |
| robink | Oh, the keynote is about to begin. | 12:42 |
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| Steve_B | Hello, im at the conference too! | 12:42 |
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| mib_p5x2ezcuk_wo | have i missed the keynote? | 12:44 |
| Steve_B | No | 12:44 |
| mib_p5x2ezcuk_wo | hmm | 12:44 |
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| lcuk_work | bit better | 12:44 |
| lcuk_work | thanks Steve_B | 12:44 |
| * brontide found him | 12:44 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: ! | 12:44 |
| lcuk_work | rm_you !! | 12:45 |
| * lcuk_work is gonna see you in a ocuple of days | 12:45 | |
| Steve_B | Thats ok lcuk, what did i do? | 12:45 |
| * lcuk_work makes typos in RL as well | 12:45 | |
| lcuk_work | you answered my question | 12:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:45 |
| lcuk_work | i came in with a stupid nick | 12:45 |
| Steve_B | Ahh ok :-) | 12:46 |
| Steve_B | Im at the conference, but unable to go to the keynote | 12:46 |
| lcuk_work | rm_you: can you get ari to postpone the keynote - i want liqbase to come first before the rug is swept from under it | 12:46 |
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| Steve_B | Did you get a hold of him lcuk? | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | Lights are dimming | 12:50 |
| lcuk_work | hold of who? - cos im in england and hes in germany | 12:50 |
| lcuk_work | ooooh jaffa | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | This is Azingo first; 25 mins - unless they've changed the agenda due to the late running | 12:50 |
| Steve_B | Rm_you, on here i mean | 12:50 |
| lcuk_work | "this is kermit the frog reporting live from OSiM | 12:50 |
| brontide | gotta sign up for the pub quiz | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | Nope: this is Azingo | 12:50 |
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| Jaffa | You'll all have to be patient. ;-p | 12:52 |
| ptman | "last internet tablet" == phone with maemo? | 12:52 |
| rm_you | wtf. ok we're sstanding in the back... | 12:52 |
| ptman | or rather, not ==, but => | 12:52 |
| lcuk_work | rm_you: you are still closer than most of us | 12:53 |
| rm_you | k well, azingo it is | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_work: you're coming over in about 20 mins, tho? | 12:55 |
| lcuk_work | no, i set off at 6am UK time tomorrow morning | 12:55 |
| Steve_B | Ouch | 12:55 |
| lcuk_work | not as early as last time | 12:55 |
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| Jaffa | Ah, of course. | 12:56 |
| lcuk_work | i was at the airport by 3am then | 12:56 |
| * Jaffa is half sleep himself ;-) | 12:56 | |
| Steve_B | For an event starting at 9am? | 12:56 |
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| lcuk_work | no, im arriving at 11:30ish thursday morning for a 9am thing on friday.. | 12:57 |
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| Steve_B | Maemo summit | 12:57 |
| Kypeli | _o/ | 12:57 |
| lcuk_work | \o_ | 12:57 |
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| Jaffa | Maemo's jist got its first namecheck - in a non-Nokia presentation | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | What does Azingo do, anyway? | 12:59 |
| brontide | I'm still trying to figure that out | 12:59 |
| lcuk_work | mobile ui stack ontop of linux | 12:59 |
| lcuk_work | http://www.azingo.com/products.shtml | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Azingo, formerly Celunite, provides next-generation mobile phone software that delivers Internet-enabled, rich user experiences to entertain, inform and enrich the lives of individuals worldwide. Azingo uniquely offers a one-stop solution for commercializing new mobile phone products that significantly reduce development costs and shorten delivery schedules for silicon vendors, handset manufacturers and operators." | 12:59 |
| lcuk_work | closed source icing ontop of our cake? | 13:00 |
| Steve_B | Sounds like marketing speak! | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | At least they're LiMo-based. | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/azingo_mobile_screenshots.jpg | 13:00 |
| lcuk_work | i should never have listened to GLaDOS, the cake was a lie | 13:00 |
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| rm_you | lol | 13:01 |
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| Steve_B | What is liqbase? | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | liqbase is shiny | 13:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Steve_B, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=liqbase&search_type=&aq=f | 13:04 |
| lcuk_work | liqbase is shiny++ | 13:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, it's too bad you don't have a URL to hand out. ;) | 13:04 |
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| lcuk_work | im at work | 13:04 |
| lcuk_work | normally i have :P | 13:04 |
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| lcuk_work | but you mean a proper one | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and by URL, I mean a website for liqbase to advertise at the summit. :P | 13:04 |
| lcuk_work | i was thinking of giving you copy tonight but i havent got time | 13:04 |
| Steve_B | Im on my n810 so cant click the link | 13:04 |
| lcuk_work | it was all in my head - i only finished principle code at about 2am :S | 13:05 |
| lcuk_work | tap n hold | 13:05 |
| lcuk_work | or search youtube for it | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steve_B, why can't you click the link? | 13:05 |
| Steve_B | It wont open, not enough memory | 13:05 |
| Italodance | what's the screen size of Archos? | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol? | 13:05 |
| * brontide is starting to doze off | 13:06 | |
| johnx | Italodance, which archos? | 13:07 |
| lcuk_work | has crashanddie been on this mornin? | 13:07 |
| rm_you | lol GW Bush jokes | 13:07 |
| Italodance | johnx......it was the same IT! | 13:07 |
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| Steve_B | Typing on the n810 is painful | 13:08 |
| johnx | try tapping on thf | 13:09 |
| Steve_B | Thf? | 13:09 |
| rm_you | slightly, yes | 13:09 |
| johnx | ...screen of an n800. way more painful | 13:09 |
| rm_you | i could whip out my bluetooth keyboard ;p | 13:09 |
| Steve_B | Ahh thats probably true | 13:09 |
| rm_you | ah yeah. sorry n800 screen is me lol | 13:10 |
| jott | so, where are the pictures and videos? :) | 13:10 |
| rm_you | it is kinda blah | 13:10 |
| lcuk_work | !OI! rm_you, you will get arrested if you whip yours out - especially at a big conference | 13:10 |
| povbot | lcuk_work: Error: "OI!" is not a valid command. | 13:10 |
| * johnx kills time at work waiting for something to do. | 13:10 | |
| * lcuk_work laffs at silly povbot | 13:10 | |
| rm_you | jott: err i can post a horrible n800 cam pic :p | 13:10 |
| brontide | I'm wondering why he is telling us to use standard html/js ... aren't they selling something? | 13:10 |
| rm_you | lol lcuk | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | S'too bad somebody didn't do a ustream feed. | 13:11 |
| lcuk_work | brontide: for a mobile device, isnt that the point: you CAN use standard if you use their framework | 13:11 |
| rm_you | i just paid 3,60€ for a tiny glass of coke >_< | 13:11 |
| lcuk_work | rm_you is streaming into a plantpot in the corner of the room | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | EUROPEAN conference food prices? | 13:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 13:12 |
| lcuk_work | and how much for the flight from america and conference particiaption? | 13:12 |
| rm_you | lol i didn't pay that tho | 13:12 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:12 |
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| lcuk_work | so 3.60 is very cheap for an intercontinental flight+ticket :D | 13:13 |
| brontide | or any offline tech + fast js | 13:13 |
| Blafasel | rm_you: Ouch | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | Azingo is wrapping up | 13:13 |
| * brontide still doesn't get azingo's talk | 13:14 | |
| Jaffa | ARI JAAKSI KEYNOTE TO START SHORTLY. | 13:14 |
| rm_you | lol i guess >_> | 13:14 |
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| rm_you | ooo he's wrapping up. now nokia? | 13:14 |
| Blafasel | I hope the prices on the summit are better.. ;) | 13:14 |
| brontide | who is this Ari guy anyways ;-) | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | brontide: it *seems* to boil down to a wWebKit renderer and some and some dev tooling | 13:14 |
| rm_you | hopefully all this talk of flasg based stuff will lead to us getting better / faster linux flash support | 13:16 |
| rm_you | *flash | 13:16 |
| jott | http://www.azingo.com/pr080917_web20_apps.shtml and http://www.azingo.com/management.shtml :) | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | First? | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:17 |
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| lcuk_work | its another "we cant do full youtube live in browser" system: "Azingo’s Web 2.0 video application enables users to interact with videos" | 13:19 |
| brontide | they do say *fast* | 13:19 |
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| * brontide needs sleep first / fast same diff | 13:19 | |
| Jaffa | heh | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | Azingo guy has finished. | 13:20 |
| rm_you | woo | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | Ari is taking the stage. | 13:21 |
| rm_you | ari going on | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | He looks like a short Arnie | 13:21 |
| brontide | slide: Kids with kites | 13:21 |
| jott | so who cat get to his pockets and runs fast? :) | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | Operating in two diffeerent worlds: suits & t-shirts. Very fruitful collaboration | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work's not there yet, jott. :( | 13:22 |
| * StsN800 is in lecture with the n800 as a tiny display like when watching games on the go | 13:22 | |
| lcuk_work | hey, im not a scally | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | 70% of open source development is corporate sponsored | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | (source: FSF) | 13:22 |
| * lcuk_work isnt sponsored | 13:22 | |
| Jaffa | Says no product announcement today | 13:23 |
| rm_you | awwwwww no product announcing | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boo him off the stage. | 13:23 |
| Steve_B | Thats unfortunate | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | And he's not going to educate any communiteies (/. overreaction reference) | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | 80% of device s/w is open source now | 13:23 |
| t_s_o | hmm, is there a browser plugin that reroutes flash videos to mplayer for full screen playback? | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | Maemo is "designed for Internet-optimized multimedia computers" | 13:24 |
| glass | hehe | 13:24 |
| lcuk_work | t_s_o: i would love to make a proper binary plugin for our browser to do just that | 13:24 |
| lcuk_work | something that sits between the browser and the actual flash plugin - something we can click to activate, something we can send to mplayer with - something SIMPLE and would make stuff fast. but ive got no time or knowledge of how to do it ;) | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | Choice of desktop widget sets directed products they released using Maemo | 13:26 |
| * lcuk_work might use the internet on tablet more if that was the case | 13:26 | |
| t_s_o | i know there is a plugin to block the flash from automatic play, but its been hit or miss for me in the past. and i keep suspecting that it loads the flash in the background, something that to me is unacceptable on a mobile connection | 13:26 |
| lcuk_work | jaffa - have a vodka shot everytime you hear the words "QT" | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/QT/Qt/ | 13:27 |
| brontide | we would all be quite sober at this point | 13:27 |
| lcuk_work | t_s_o: that doesnt block cleanly, it sits inside the javascript on a page and isnt a very clean solution | 13:27 |
| aquatix | t_s_o: you can download .flv's, then play them with whatever player you like? | 13:27 |
| lcuk_work | give it time brontide | 13:27 |
| * aquatix has a bash script to download youtube movies | 13:27 | |
| Jaffa | 3 different platofmrs: S30/40 - mass market phones; Symbian-based phones - smartphones; Maemo platform rooted in Linux, truley community related. | 13:27 |
| t_s_o | aquatix: and other random flv's? youtube i can do with mytube already... | 13:28 |
| rm_you | myTube works well for doing that with youtube vids | 13:28 |
| aquatix | there's also some firefox plugins to download flash movie material, so might be portable to microb | 13:28 |
| t_s_o | thing is for me that the only use i have for flash on the tablet is the odd video, so a plugin that could detect those and grab them for playback using mplayer or whatever would work much better then the current solution imo | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | UI is closed part - their area of differentiation | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | 4 generations of Maemo | 13:29 |
| t_s_o | but then maybe i should just grab a archos 5g when it becomes available :P | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | Now working on 5th generation | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | Showing you some of the highlights | 13:30 |
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| rm_you | omg cellular | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | Online anywhere with cellular connectivity over HSPA | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | OMAP 3 processor. HD camera | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | Broadband vision of devices. | 13:30 |
| brontide | there goes the neighborhood | 13:30 |
| jsmanrique | ! | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3g | 13:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles kills self. | 13:31 | |
| rm_you | lol crizazy | 13:31 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, looks like you lose ;p | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | Bottom half of slide is cut off | 13:31 |
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| Jaffa | OMAP3 will give "huge boost in performance" | 13:31 |
| rm_you | omap3 will be sweet but isn't surprising | 13:31 |
| timsamoff | Ari is talking. | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | HD camera is gonna be noisy as hell. | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | Accelerated graphics and so forth. | 13:32 |
| rm_you | cellular surprises me a little bit but makes sense | 13:32 |
| t_s_o | just hope the price dont spike to much... | 13:32 |
| Steve_B | I dont like the idea of cellular access | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | (indeed) | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, I'm not sure how it can't. | 13:32 |
| timsamoff | Ah, Jaffa's already here. :) | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | :) | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really don't want to pay N96 prices. :\ | 13:32 |
| rm_you | are these not powerpoint but physical slides?! | 13:33 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: indeed | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, and rm_you and brontide. ;) | 13:33 |
| brontide | neither do I | 13:33 |
| johnx | hd just means 1280*720 or highr... | 13:33 |
| * aquatix demands a gsm chip! | 13:33 | |
| Jaffa | Nokia is now gold sponsor of the Linux Foundation | 13:33 |
| timsamoff | Ha! Cool. | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, but HD isn't stills | 13:33 |
| t_s_o | i got my N800 nice and cheap used. but if we are looking at used HTC phone prices then no go what so ever | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's video, which == noise. | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | Nokia contributed code today for 3G/HSPA cellular connectivity for oMAP3 to Linux kernel | 13:33 |
| aquatix | t_s_o: heh, i prefer having a tablet alongside my cellphone too | 13:33 |
| timsamoff | I prefer having a tablet with a charged battery. :( | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 13:34 |
| rm_you | lol tim | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, HSDPA is gonna be ridiculously expensive in the states. | 13:35 |
| rm_you | truth | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | $50 at least. | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | (So, cellular layer open?) | 13:35 |
| rm_you | also truth | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't afford a 2nd cable bill. | 13:35 |
| wiza | GeneralAntilles: so like 5 euros? | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | (gone very laggy) | 13:35 |
| wiza | :D | 13:35 |
| rm_you | heh qt is in the maemo circle | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | And SQLite | 13:36 |
| t_s_o | rm_you: i didnt expect anything else | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, like, duh. :P | 13:36 |
| rm_you | well yeah, been using sqlite for a while no? | 13:36 |
| rm_you | t_s_o: yeah... | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | (lots of projects have - does media-scanner us it?) | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | Nokia still struggling with working in the open. Still working on it | 13:38 |
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| timsamoff | Always will unless Maemo spun off. | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | More on Maemo 5 in the Maemo DevSesh | 13:38 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | Plug for Maemo Summit | 13:39 |
| Steve_B | Thats the bit im allowed in, hooray! | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | He's forgotten where it is | 13:39 |
| mikkov_ | nobody is forcing you to use cellular. Device will be more expensice though | 13:39 |
| jott | me too :) woo | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, if it's in the device, I'm paying for it. | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | Now questions. | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | FCC certifications, hardware, software support | 13:39 |
| Steve_B | Jott, are you in berlin? | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | those things all cost money. | 13:40 |
| jott | Steve_B: yes. | 13:40 |
| Steve_B | Same | 13:40 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:40 |
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| Jaffa | Q: Will Nokia have longterm committment to Maemo in the longterm, with the Qt purchase & Symbian opening. Is there a longterm roadmap? | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | A: Yes. | 13:40 |
| rm_you | LOL | 13:40 |
| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but no monthly bills if you don't want them | 13:40 |
| hrw | someone has e1000e network card? | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | Q: 3G & HSPA also imply voice? Or just data? | 13:40 |
| lcuk_work | yes, but you have to pay $140 extra to get it | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | A: Today just talking about data. | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, don't care, I don't want to pay for cellular. Period. | 13:41 |
| StsN800 | timsamoff, huge thanks for the logo btw | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | There will be a new generation, let's see what they bring. | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | This is a headsup today, not an announcement. | 13:41 |
| lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: chill, see what they offer before you bitch - its new and improved | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | Talking about releasing early & showing the direction. | 13:41 |
| brontide | Unless they are really competitive on price, this will be a non-starter for me | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | He finally seems to get it. | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | ^( ) | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | Telling you as soon as possible about some of the developments. | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, HSDPA is bad news in my book. Period. :) | 13:42 |
| * jott hopes for a dev program :) | 13:42 | |
| Jaffa | Q: When will th efifth generation come out? What about the slow microb browser? | 13:42 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: otoh, nokia makes loads of cellphones, maybe hsdpa chip is cheap for them | 13:42 |
| timsamoff | 4 Real. | 13:43 |
| Steve_B | Unless they release two versions, one with and one without? | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, hardware cost is just a small portion of the total cost. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | A: When the time is right, we will tell you. I recognise the performance issues, we are working on it. I'm sure they'll be improved signifcantly. | 13:43 |
| rm_you | lol complaining about microb.fennec is faster? not imo >_> | 13:43 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: so, what's your problem? | 13:43 |
| aquatix | FCC? | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, FCC, software support | 13:43 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: nice answer... | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | All those things cost money. | 13:43 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: k | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | Q: (gnuite) Will Maemo 5 be compatible with existing devices? | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means I'm going to be paying for it in the cost of the hardware. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | A: THinking about how to do it. Don't know yet. | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | New hardware may mean new difficulties. | 13:44 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: :-D | 13:44 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fair enough :/ | 13:44 |
| brontide | = new hacker edition | 13:44 |
| timsamoff | Good Q, though. | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better be. | 13:44 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: and that's even better | 13:44 |
| lcuk_work | brontide: depending on the ui expected it may be a non starter | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | Q: Are there any plans fordiversifying Maemo? | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | They promised at least 2 rounds of support for each tablet. | 13:44 |
| rm_you | lol etting short bursts of irc. connection seems to have issues | 13:44 |
| aquatix | maemo for a cellphone would be interesting | 13:44 |
| lcuk_work | from what i recall nokia are fullsteam forward and get adequate performance from new devices without caring about old | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | A: No current intentions for promoting to other vendors. | 13:44 |
| brontide | GA, they already provides 2 rounds of support | 13:45 |
| * lcuk_work thinks building from the ground up will allow all devices to work | 13:45 | |
| Jaffa | Q: Various logos - including Qt. What's the role of Trolltech within the Maemo story? | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, the N810 got 1. | 13:46 |
| brontide | depends on how you read Diablo | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | A;: Currently gtk based. Will also support Qt in future. Eventually, are we going to eventually find some technical merge? We have some plans; but (it sounds like still up in the air) | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a round. | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a minor update. | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Feature Upgrade" | 13:46 |
| aquatix | Diablo is just enabling incremental updates | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Support round is OS2005, OS2006, OS2007, OS2008, etc. | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I reckon they'll break the promise or hamstring the back support. | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | That's it. It's over. | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | KEYNOTE ENDED. NO NEW DEVICE ANNOUNCED. MAEMO 5 WILL SUPPORT HSPA AND HD CAMERA AND OMAP3. | 13:47 |
| lcuk_work | now mug him and get hands on the test machine you know he has in his pocket | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 13:47 |
| timsamoff | :D | 13:47 |
| rm_you | what is this? | 13:47 |
| jsmanrique | what do you expected? | 13:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles is not super thrilled. | 13:47 | |
| jsmanrique | no device was expected | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not cellular garbage. | 13:48 |
| lcuk_work | i think ari just read the n900 thread | 13:48 |
| * Jaffa is worried about price | 13:48 | |
| lcuk_work | nahhh jaffa - look at the pandora - they are talking that spec hardware | 13:48 |
| jsmanrique | it gets one year to get Carl Zeiss certification | 13:48 |
| lcuk_work | thats what £200? | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, they don't have cellular | 13:48 |
| timsamoff | Device discount program? | 13:48 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, in .dk 3g no-voice is actually decently priced | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | jsmanrique: A new device has been pre-announced: it will have in-built data connectivity and HD camera and OMAP3. | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, yeah, well, I live in the States. | 13:48 |
| lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: stop bitching, nokia knows how to do data modems | 13:49 |
| jsmanrique | Jaffa: and that's great | 13:49 |
| timsamoff | This guy's funny. | 13:49 |
| rm_you | very | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, whatever. | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: helps us, but everyone else may suffer. No point being a developer if the platform is overpriced for end-users. | 13:49 |
| Steve_B | Data is pretty expensive in the uk too | 13:49 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 13:49 |
| * aquatix waits till the price is known | 13:49 | |
| timsamoff | Too true, Jaffa. | 13:49 |
| lcuk_work | Maemo internet via sneakernet | 13:49 |
| brontide | Which means being shackled to a provider | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, costs add up fast, and the cellular support impacts the platform in software development costs. | 13:49 |
| aquatix | i think nokia won't make the thing more expensive | 13:50 |
| brontide | for the discount | 13:50 |
| rm_you | so are there plans for lunch? | 13:50 |
| mikkov_ | new device will cost at least as much as N95/N96, that's my guess | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: provided, AIUI | 13:50 |
| lcuk_work | GeneralAntilles: if its ONLY a modem then it can be a blackbox just like the usb dongle modems we get now | 13:50 |
| timsamoff | Although, didn't I hear someone say recently that they didn't develop for other users. :p | 13:50 |
| Steve_B | Thats what im hoping, im hank marvin | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, they'd price themselves out of the market if they did. | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: getting hungry | 13:50 |
| aquatix | exactly | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | ...and my battery's dying | 13:50 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: so i think you shouldn't worry yet :) | 13:50 |
| rm_you | same and same lol | 13:51 |
| brontide | the N95/N96 has an order of magnitude economy of scale | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cellular is bad juju however you look at it. | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | N810 was more pricey than N800, more pricey than 770 | 13:51 |
| rm_you | you outside? | 13:51 |
| brontide | higher than an n900 will | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: still at front | 13:51 |
| timsamoff | N1k. N1k! | 13:51 |
| rm_you | this guy really is hilarious | 13:51 |
| lcuk_work | i, for one, welcome our cellular overlords who give us 24/7 internet without messing with other things | 13:51 |
| timsamoff | Crackin' me up. | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, more like 5-hour internet. | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wont get always-on with the sized battery we have now. | 13:52 |
| lcuk_work | thats about the same as i get now :) | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_work: for another 15 quid a month on top of mobile phone bill | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I wouldn't go back to the booth. ;) | 13:52 |
| rm_you | jaffa: should i head outside? | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_work, probably less, in fact. | 13:52 |
| Steve_B | Jaffa, even then its limited | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N810W is somewhere in the 3-4 hour range. | 13:52 |
| lcuk_work | jaffa, happily pay it if the data comes in quickly enough - i dont want it for "internet" i want to connect to my server | 13:52 |
| Steve_B | To the amount of data you can download per month | 13:53 |
| Jaffa | Wind River. 5 Reasons why Open Source Won't Work in Mobile. | 13:53 |
| Jaffa | 1) A Linux phone will never be as good as an iPhone | 13:53 |
| Steve_B | Fair usage and all that | 13:53 |
| rm_you | ah ok stupid irc burst/delays | 13:53 |
| timsamoff | Too flipping funny. | 13:53 |
| brontide | *FSVO "good" | 13:53 |
| rm_you | i love this guy | 13:53 |
| Steve_B | Whats 2? | 13:53 |
| Jaffa | hasn't got to 2 | 13:54 |
| jott | 2) We are unable to make good software. :P | 13:54 |
| lcuk_work | jaffa, you type quick :D | 13:54 |
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| Steve_B | You're still in there? | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | aye | 13:54 |
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| Steve_B | Ahh, i thought you left after the ari talk | 13:54 |
| Jaffa | didn't move quick enough | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | ;-) | 13:55 |
| rm_you | same | 13:55 |
| timsamoff | Me hungry too. | 13:55 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: 1) A Linux phone will never be as good as an iPhone : FALSE | 13:55 |
| Steve_B | Thats unfortunate | 13:55 |
| rm_you | got stuck lol | 13:55 |
| brontide | Khertan: it's a joke | 13:55 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:55 |
| Khertan | i know | 13:55 |
| rm_you | Khertan: he's doing logical contradictions point by point | 13:56 |
| Khertan | how ... there was a keynote ? | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | Definition of good: "There are 15 million units in the market today that a deveoper has to write an app for once, and they *know* they have 15 million builtin customers. And you *cannot* say that today about Linux. Not even 1 million users". | 13:56 |
| rm_you | he's not actually saying that | 13:56 |
| brontide | no new products, no major changes from what's already happened with maemo.org | 13:56 |
| rm_you | it's the argument he's tryying to counter | 13:56 |
| timsamoff | This is a really good talk -- people need to discuss these things. | 13:57 |
| brontide | yesyesyes | 13:57 |
| Khertan | hum ... this wasn't planned for tomorrow ? | 13:57 |
| Khertan | ? | 13:57 |
| Steve_B | Is it lunchtime? | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | Ari's keynote was today. Honest: I've just watched it. | 13:57 |
| Khertan | this have change ... | 13:57 |
| rm_you | or use to point out problems | 13:57 |
| Khertan | and i ve see the change | 13:57 |
| timsamoff | I saw Jaffa nodding off. | 13:58 |
| Steve_B | Lol | 13:58 |
| Khertan | arg ... i think i ll see it tomorrow ... this why i come so early in the morning tomorrow | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: heh | 13:58 |
| Khertan | :( | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | 2) "Symbian's open source announcement has given everyone a false sense of hope" | 13:58 |
| timsamoff | My battery is red again. Arg. Later everyone. | 13:59 |
| Khertan | 2) Symbian sucks ! | 13:59 |
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| Khertan | :) | 13:59 |
| Khertan | ... i ll going to eat ... | 13:59 |
| * Khertan want that today is tomorrow | 13:59 | |
| Khertan | ... | 13:59 |
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| Jaffa | The hype surrounding the shift after Ari's keynote which was pitched by the @nokians doesn't *quite* seem to match reality. Maybe an HSPA component /really/ changes the game? | 14:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits for Umptious to come back and edit the wikipedia article. | 14:00 | |
| Jaffa | 3) "There are too many platform choices and operators insist on hedgin their ebets" | 14:00 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep Windows Mobile and Symbian should not exist ! | 14:01 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:01 |
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| rm_you | gah cmon irc... update | 14:01 |
| brontide | Fragmentation is preventing Linux from being a real competitor in the marketplace | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the one good thing is maybe people will finally stop bitching about 3G support. | 14:02 |
| brontide | 4) OEM's won't let go legacy code | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinda kills the N810W's niche, though. | 14:03 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | When/where is the DevSesh? Can't find any ref to it in the Event Guide | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | 5) Too many in the mobile value chain just don't get it! | 14:04 |
| Steve_B | Jaffa, its not in there | 14:04 |
| Steve_B | Its got a seperate document | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | Steve_B: righto. We probably need to make sure there's soem info about it on the booth | 14:07 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: well, there's HSDPA here, but no wimax | 14:07 |
| Steve_B | Is anyone on the booth now? | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | 5 things to do to make open source in mobile work | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | 1) Get a new product marketer | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | 2) While you're at it, get a new engineering director too | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | 3) Stop lookin over your shoulder, start to innovate | 14:08 |
| * aquatix will do a grep on `Jaffa' tonight :) | 14:08 | |
| Jaffa | 4) Change your low cost play into a high value play | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | 5) Think outside the ohone | 14:08 |
| rm_you | i think i'm supposed to be on the booth >_< | 14:08 |
| aquatix | rm_you: :) | 14:08 |
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| Steve_B | Uh oh | 14:08 |
| lcuk | rm_you, yes, literally, you should be ON the booth - dancing | 14:08 |
| rm_you | but i can't just leave on this guy. he's just too awesome | 14:08 |
| aquatix | rm_you: the cancan | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | :) | 14:09 |
| aquatix | rm_you: then stay :) | 14:09 |
| lcuk | aquatix, i was thinking more ooga chacka | 14:09 |
| rm_you | i think jamie went at least... | 14:09 |
| aquatix | lcuk: also a good choice | 14:09 |
| lcuk | he could do village people dance quite well | 14:09 |
| aquatix | lcuk: why do you know? ;) | 14:10 |
| rm_you | lol lcuk. remind me to slap you :P immediately followed by buying you a pint :) | 14:10 |
| lcuk | (m) its fun to stay in the M.A.E.M.O | 14:10 |
| aquatix | loool | 14:10 |
| lcuk | :D dont slap me or i might drop my tablet and completely destroy liqbase in the process | 14:10 |
| brontide | Seems like he is talking directly to people like Nokia. | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | Yeah | 14:11 |
| aquatix | lcuk: b.a.c.k.u.p.s. | 14:11 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:11 |
| rm_you | i can do some swingdance :P | 14:11 |
| * Jaffa has switched back to N810. | 14:11 | |
| aquatix | Jaffa: external keyboard? | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | screen & ssh rock | 14:11 |
| lcuk | aquatix, technically i have already sent the full source code + binary around the world :) | 14:11 |
| aquatix | lcuk: true | 14:11 |
| * lcuk has offsite backup | 14:11 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: but is that the latest? | 14:11 |
| rm_you | yep. sorta been thinking, is ari watching this? :p | 14:11 |
| lcuk | no aquatix - i only mailed it last night after i finished enough for my presentation | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | fooooood | 14:12 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ah :) | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | i have some bugfixes to do - but i can get them done on the plane | 14:12 |
| lcuk | OH SHIT! i need pygtkeditor before then | 14:12 |
| lcuk | Khertan, i hope you are givin that program some love - i want it super speedy | 14:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:13 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna have to write my own ide as well ;) though after tomorrow its a distinct possibility :) | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m currently planning a rewrite of pygtkeditor | 14:14 |
| mgedmin | what news from osim? | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | but nothing is done yet | 14:14 |
| lcuk | writing your own texteditor component again? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | or using the existing one still with just your python magic around it? | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | The booth is manned | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | it would be better if it was womanned | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: i think using the existing one ... gtksourceview but with different parameters | 14:15 |
| lcuk | :D heh @ rm_you bein the maemo boothbabe | 14:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | and a more recent version of it | 14:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | and doing some optimization | 14:16 |
| lcuk | Khertan, if it goes anywhere rapidly, i might be able to get you a gtk editor component using liqbase backend in a windowed display | 14:16 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: is it an idea to port http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ ? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | but that all depends on me gettin serious dev time for it all | 14:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | not really too slow | 14:17 |
| lcuk | Khertan, oh yes, it is | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | Khertan_n810: ah, gtksourceview already | 14:17 |
| lcuk | mollasses on a tuesday | 14:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but i ll integrate some of the idea i see in scribes | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, for desktop ide i like komodo-edit - if you havent tried it give it a blast :) | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i try to avoid kde things | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t like it most of the time | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i ll get a look | 14:19 |
| lcuk | is it kde? i use it in windows | 14:20 |
| lcuk | brb anyway, stomach grumbling | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, crashanddie where for art thou crashanddie | 14:34 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: btw, wherefore means why :) | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Summon him like Beetlejuice | 14:40 |
| lcuk | thank you Robot101 | 14:41 |
| lcuk | still doesnt help me | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | ok, can someone PLEASE confirm im not the only one freaked out by this: http://www.neuticles.com/ | 14:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, used to know someone who had a dog with those. | 14:43 |
| lcuk | thats scary | 14:43 |
| lcuk | REALLY scary | 14:44 |
| johnx | *shrugs*¢it was an ex-show dog but actually really good natured. | 14:45 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: I like the idea that you can have them with different "firmness" | 14:45 |
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| Blafasel | So when you're used to play with your dog's testicles you can still enjoy it just the same! Stil feels - natural! hrhr.. Splendid, I have to bookmark the site | 14:47 |
| lcuk | Blafasel, infact - you could say its the dogs bollocks | 14:47 |
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| mgedmin | google maps rules | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | openstreetmap also | 15:09 |
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| yacoob | lcuk, looks like another money sink for fools | 15:20 |
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| Blafasel | I like the paragraph in the faq that advises the owner to massage the new genitals weekly to suppress scar tissue generation.. | 15:23 |
| Blafasel | hrhr.. This is a neverending wtf.. | 15:24 |
| aquatix | Blafasel: that's wrong in so many ways :) | 15:25 |
| Blafasel | aquatix: Yeah.. Like: "Hey, I cut off your testicles. Let me turn you on" | 15:26 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:34 |
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| rm_you | woo. battery still holding out somehow | 15:36 |
| Blafasel | For how long so far? | 15:39 |
| Khertan | I get this error in my bugtracker entered by an user : "When configuring mCalendar, many of the input fields inappropriately use initial caps. For example, when entering the password or login, the first character of the field defaults to upper case." | 15:40 |
| Blafasel | I'm curious if the battery pack will be handy this weekend. | 15:40 |
| Khertan | how can i unactivated the auto caps on gtk.Entry ? | 15:40 |
| dystopia | hrw: yes ihave e1000 | 15:40 |
| hrw | dystopia: I found solution - wrong cable | 15:41 |
| lcuk | khertan, i would have imagined if whatever "isPassword" flag you use to make stars appear would also automatically disable the auto capitalizing text input | 15:42 |
| lcuk | or do you just use a standard text field with visible password | 15:42 |
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| rm_you | brb | 15:44 |
| rm_you | rebooting... memory issues <_< | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: this is not the case for isPassword ... there is still Auto Caps | 15:50 |
| Khertan | but i m looking for other gtk entry too | 15:50 |
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| Khertan | but i can also answer to the user that this is a problem with the interface chair/keyboard | 15:51 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | khertan, autocaps is a user configurable option on normal text boxes - if they dont want it they can disable it in control panel? | 15:52 |
| melmoth | Khertan: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-06-27.log.html | 15:53 |
| melmoth | snowmoonI've found this, self.entry_id.set_property('autocap', False) but I get GtkEntry does not have property autocap | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.slideshare.net/silpol/nokia-and-maemo-next-iteration-presentation/ | 15:53 |
| Khertan | lcuk: yep but a password field should not have it | 15:54 |
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| melmoth | Khertan: if i were you, i would vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3095 | 15:55 |
| * Khertan has voted ... | 15:56 | |
| Khertan | :) | 15:56 |
| Khertan | thx melmoth for the links | 15:56 |
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| keesj | GeneralAntilles: very nice . ! | 16:00 |
| Khertan | DevSesh 5 will be interesting ... | 16:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | keesj, not my doing. | 16:04 |
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| mgedmin | hm, will the next internet tablet have built-in 3g/hspa? | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately. | 16:11 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:11 |
| * aquatix pats GeneralAntilles | 16:11 | |
| mgedmin | un? | 16:11 |
| aquatix | it will work out just fine | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | $$$$$$$$ | 16:11 |
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| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: maybe they even release a NIT light, without sliding keyboard en 3g | 16:12 |
| aquatix | for $99 ;) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | or get the full one 'free' with an 18month contract ;) | 16:12 |
| andrewfblack | It was hard enough talking my wife into letting me speed $500 on my first tablet | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, at $50/mo for data? | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think so. | 16:13 |
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| _teo_ | hello | 16:13 |
| lcuk | people seem to be scooping them up in their millions from the apple side | 16:13 |
| lcuk | "i dont think so" sounds more like sour grapes :P | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't afford that kind of cost. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | no ifs ands or buts. | 16:15 |
| _teo_ | I'm having an issue with the browser in OS2008, maybe you folks can help me. Simply, when I start the browser, the app hangs there, there's a notification box saying "Updating" and while the app interface responds (menu opens, icons are clicked), I can't open any page nor do anything useful, like an interface that does nothing | 16:15 |
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| andrewfblack | I'm more afraid of Nokia not making the OS backwards compatable and I will be stuck with a tablet that no one is writing software for anymore | 16:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 16:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, welcome to the 770 owner's world. | 16:16 |
| lcuk | gen, you have multiple expensive devices in your home, you are chairman of the community council, stop whining about cost - if one comes out i doubt you would be able to resist | 16:16 |
| lcuk | and i doubt it would be long before you were accepted for the dev-handouts or beta testing etc | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's not just my own personal cost I'm considering, though. | 16:16 |
| aquatix | and noone is forcing a data contrac on you | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 was popular because it was cheap | 16:16 |
| _teo_ | GeneralAntilles: woohoo, it works! thank you very much! | 16:16 |
| aquatix | see how many got an n810 :) | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | A $700 tablet would kill off most of the market. | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 16:17 |
| * aquatix is afk for a bit | 16:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't feel like arguing it. | 16:17 |
| lcuk | where does anything say anything about price? | 16:17 |
| _teo_ | who would have thought it was just a daemon to restart -_-' | 16:17 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: heh :) just saying that you shouldn't be too gloomy now | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the Nvidia discussion all over again. | 16:17 |
| aquatix | bbl | 16:17 |
| aquatix | cheer up ;) | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, compare it to the N96. | 16:18 |
| lcuk | huh? nahhh its not - but aquatix is right - itsn ot required that you use mobile, but it would be a great asset to be built in. anyway im afk as well | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still pay for it even if I don't use it. | 16:18 |
| lcuk | yer, i have a damned expensive gps sitting in my 810 that i barely use - it tells me im sat at my computer | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er? | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Expensive? | 16:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia probably got all of those chips for free from TI. | 16:19 |
| andrewfblack | yeah GPS chips are dirt cheap | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially GPS chips as shitty as the one in the N810. | 16:20 |
| andrewfblack | lol | 16:20 |
| lcuk | and they would do likewise with the gprs chip, come on you are just against cellular fullstop - even if it was free | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's never free. | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's why it's cellular | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have to pass all sorts of expensive testing to even sell it. | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter how much the hardware costs. | 16:21 |
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| andrewfblack | If they are going cellular built it it wont be long and they will be locking them to certain companys in the US | 16:21 |
| RST38h | moo all | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 16:21 |
| lcuk | and they manage that and sell phones for $20 or less | 16:21 |
| andrewfblack | $20 phone comes with a 2 year contract | 16:21 |
| lcuk | no, payg | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those phones have economies of scale involved that an N900 wont ever be able to compete with. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | well, buy your phone at full price and do not sign the contract | 16:22 |
| andrewfblack | payg phones are alot more then $20 | 16:22 |
| RST38h | it is as easy as this | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | what's "payg"? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | pay as you go | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pay as You Go | 16:22 |
| lcuk | what about the 3g modem i can buy over here for £30 that plugs into computer and is just a modem? | 16:22 |
| andrewfblack | cheapest pay as you go phone I have seen is about $50 to %75 | 16:22 |
| RST38h | in other words, what you are doing =) | 16:22 |
| andrewfblack | $75 | 16:22 |
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| johnx_ | ah, well. time will tell. but I think I should get more maemo software into debian, make sure to keep my options open :) | 16:23 |
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| johnx_ | hopefully we'll get to the end of this situation where each device has a totally different software stack | 16:24 |
| * Khertan is thinking of making the most well selled and easy to code application for iPhone ... | 16:24 | |
| StsN800 | johnx_, btw google finit-alt and see the videos | 16:24 |
| * Khertan at some company ... each device should have an anti-virus ... | 16:25 | |
| lcuk | khertan, gfi | 16:25 |
| StsN800 | johnx_, could be interesting to adapt | 16:25 |
| Khertan | The Khertan AntiVirus for iPhone | 16:25 |
| Khertan | Some nice icons ... a nice progress bar ... | 16:25 |
| Khertan | and it ll be enought :) | 16:26 |
| Khertan | no need to a real engine :) | 16:26 |
| Khertan | s/to/of | 16:26 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:26 |
| lcuk | but if all apps come from app-store and you cannot run as a daemon isnt that kinda fruitless | 16:26 |
| Khertan | lcuk: this useless true ... but some company don't accept iphone as the company policies claim that there is no anti virus on it | 16:27 |
| lcuk | heh, good idea then | 16:27 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, nope. it's even better this way. nothing to slow down other apps :) | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | are there antiviruses for regular plain old non-smart phones? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | are there viruses for plain old non-smart phones? | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | For WinMob? Probably. | 16:27 |
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| Khertan | mgedmin: 6630 isn't a smartphone | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.airscanner.com/downloads/av/av.html | 16:28 |
| Khertan | but there is many antivirus ... | 16:28 |
| lcuk | bbl | 16:28 |
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| mgedmin | anything with windows mobile in it is not a phone in my book | 16:28 |
| Khertan | arg this suck ... you need a mac to compile something for iPhone | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, how do you figure? | 16:29 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: 6630 isn't something with winmobile | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Motorola Q is definitely a phone. | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | general: the link you posted said "antivirus for windows mobile" | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | I didn't read any further than that | 16:29 |
| Khertan | http://jp.opera.com/img/press/phones/nokia_6630.jpg | 16:29 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure why we're discussing 6630 | 16:29 |
| Khertan | because it s my phone :) | 16:29 |
| Khertan | it s not a smartphone | 16:30 |
| mgedmin | I expressed my incredulity with a company policy outlawing cellphones that have no antivirus software for them | 16:30 |
| Khertan | but there is antivirus for it | 16:30 |
| * Khertan will not give any name ... like BNP ... | 16:30 | |
| Khertan | :) | 16:30 |
| Khertan | they force us to have antivirus on Mac osx | 16:31 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:31 |
| Khertan | and don't let anything using there network if the device don't have an antivirus | 16:31 |
| Khertan | s/there/their | 16:31 |
| lcuk | what about a firewall? | 16:32 |
| pyhimys | Khertan: switches/routers too? :) | 16:32 |
| pyhimys | Or printers! | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | hey, does this ethernet cable have antivirus on it? | 16:33 |
| andrewfblack | my company wont let me use my n810 just because its not windows | 16:33 |
| andrewfblack | only way to get a computer on the wireless network is to run a windows program that sets it up to work | 16:34 |
| Khertan | pyhimys: lol ... :) | 16:34 |
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| t_s_o | iirc, one can get ethernet dongles now that apply antivirus and ids on the traffic passing thru it... | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | there is also small ethernet<->wifi dongle that can be plug discretly :) | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, that's one way to get your ass fired. | 16:35 |
| Khertan | example i ve see a company with a strong security get hack from internal ... behind the cofee machine there was an unused ethernet plug ... | 16:35 |
| Khertan | and something use it to reroute all the traffic ... | 16:36 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: yep ... it is | 16:36 |
| t_s_o | just make sure to keep a copy of the root password(s) on the keychain usb dongle ;) | 16:37 |
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| pyhimys | or on a postit on your monitor | 16:42 |
| t_s_o | i was thinking more in case one got fired ;) | 16:42 |
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| pyhimys | then you just need a machine that does ssh porforwarding to a some outside machine | 16:44 |
| hrw | I know company which require using windows-only software to connect to company vpn | 16:44 |
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| pyhimys | In one of my former companies we found out a nt-box that had an uptime of 900+ days. It was on public internet with iis and sql-server. | 16:46 |
| pyhimys | And it wasn't cracked! | 16:46 |
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| liri | pyhimys: it was probably on a 2400 baud modem, on one could even ping it :) | 16:52 |
| pyhimys | liri: or blackhole routed | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | why would a script kiddie hack his own box? | 16:55 |
| aquatix | pyhimys: how do you know it wasn't rootkitted? | 16:55 |
| aquatix | besides, did it actually do something useful? ;) | 16:56 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: training? forgotten the password? | 16:56 |
| pyhimys | there wasn't ftp-server running? | 16:56 |
| aquatix | you sure? ;) | 16:56 |
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| t_s_o | i recall reading a classical story about some university server betting drywalled because noone remembered that it was there, as there had been no reason to physically access it in ages... | 16:57 |
| pyhimys | aquatix: pretty sure. The unix-admins couldn't believe it so they checked out the box pretty thoroughly | 16:57 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 16:58 |
| aquatix | it hadn't a firewall up on all ports? | 16:58 |
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| pyhimys | Anyways it wasn't my box. The windows admins smirked for weeks after that. | 16:58 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:59 |
| pyhimys | Ofcourse it had a firewall in front of it. But it had atleast http open. | 16:59 |
| aquatix | `wow, we had one server with big uptime and no cracks!' | 16:59 |
| pyhimys | and iis isn't actually known for robust security | 17:00 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, I hacked my own machine once. I inherited an SGI O2 with a lost root password... | 17:00 |
| t_s_o | physical access = boot to single user? | 17:00 |
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| johnx_ | there was some reason I could easily | 17:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ah, O2s ... | 17:02 |
| johnx_ | I ended up taking out the drive and rewriting the root password | 17:02 |
| * RST38h weeps a little bit | 17:02 | |
| johnx_ | I never did figure out what to do with it | 17:02 |
| RST38h | But it looked cool | 17:02 |
| johnx_ | it's stored in my parents garage for now | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Like a blue trashcan | 17:03 |
| pyhimys | johnx_: watch the opengl demos forever? | 17:03 |
| johnx_ | mine was kinda old and beat up | 17:03 |
| aquatix | johnx_: can't you run an AI on it? | 17:03 |
| johnx_ | or play bzflag :) | 17:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: Somebody had sex with it? =) | 17:03 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, eh? it was just scratched and missing the cd-rom drive cover... | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Oh | 17:04 |
| RST38h | missing cdrom drive cover <-- sure evidence | 17:04 |
| * Jaffa is back in the hotel. | 17:04 | |
| jsmanrique | lmoura: hi! | 17:04 |
| RST38h | johnx: btw it should play this quite nicely: http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/AndyBattalion.html | 17:05 |
| aquatix | johnx_: install an AI on it and call it Erwin ;) | 17:05 |
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| jsmanrique | lmoura: how could I update python packages since it doesn't appear in app manager? as root in console? | 17:05 |
| johnx_ | ah...I remember user-friendly when it was still kinda funny... | 17:05 |
| aquatix | johnx_: ;) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | today's actually is quite fun | 17:05 |
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| andrewfblack | I wonder if that MMORPG that runs on Android will run on the Tablets on Android | 17:14 |
| yacoob | I wonder how good will android be doing on the tablets | 17:15 |
| johnx_ | a lot better once there's source :) | 17:16 |
| johnx_ | hard to get excited about making it work with binary hacks that break the license agreement when the source release is imminent... | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | Android'll run very badly due to the lack of 3D drivers: all the talk during the Android Keynote was of "compelling UI" and easy Â3D. | 17:18 |
| yacoob | I just wonder whether it will provide missing pim functionality... | 17:18 |
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| Khertan | yacoob there is some marvelous pim on maemo | 17:19 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:19 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, I think 3D won't be required | 17:19 |
| Khertan | the problem of android is java | 17:19 |
| johnx_ | for developers I guess :) | 17:19 |
| johnx_ | but it's only a problem once, not a new problem with every new device | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | Admittedly, the next Maemo device is going to have 3D acceleration, so it becomes much more likely as an Android target. | 17:20 |
| Khertan | johnx_: a problem for dev ... mainly mean less applications ... so a problem for users :) | 17:20 |
| aquatix | i think they choose language to make it easier for developers | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | But, from what I overheard, that's looking in the wrong direction for which big Linux company'll be involved. | 17:20 |
| yacoob | Khertan, it must be pretty deep burried 8) | 17:20 |
| Khertan | yacoob: http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot38.png | 17:21 |
| johnx_ | Khertan, well, I'm happy to wait and see | 17:21 |
| johnx_ | this year is seeing a lot of interesting linux devices to choose from | 17:21 |
| Khertan | johnx_: yep it seems ... but android don't enjoy me ... | 17:21 |
| yacoob | ohhh, it's getting better :D | 17:22 |
| aquatix | Khertan: is mContacts compatible with the built-in contacts? | 17:22 |
| Khertan | aquatix: nope | 17:22 |
| Khertan | eds sucks | 17:22 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:22 |
| yacoob | Khertan, can has month view, free time view and syncml plx? :> | 17:22 |
| Khertan | eds <-> evolution data server | 17:22 |
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| * aquatix seconds syncml | 17:22 | |
| * Khertan vote -1 for syncml | 17:23 | |
| Khertan | :) | 17:23 |
| * aquatix overrules Khertan ;) | 17:23 | |
| * yacoob cracks the whip over Khertan. | 17:23 | |
| yacoob | Community has spoken! Get back to work! | 17:23 |
| yacoob | :) | 17:23 |
| aquatix | seriously, it'd be awesome to have, as you can then actually sync it with phones and such | 17:23 |
| Khertan | i ll see what i can do | 17:23 |
| liri | mcalendar should also support multi calendars because that's common in google calendar | 17:23 |
| aquatix | Khertan: i'm aware that syncml is extremely hairy though :( | 17:23 |
| Khertan | liri: don't say it ... but it ll in a few days ... | 17:23 |
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| liri | Khertan: nice :) | 17:24 |
| Khertan | in fact the not yet release version do it :) | 17:24 |
| liri | Khertan: cool, I'm looking forwards to it | 17:24 |
| Khertan | aquatix: hairy ... i ll not be so polite | 17:24 |
| Khertan | but i m looking how to do this | 17:24 |
| aquatix | can't you look at opensync's code for it? | 17:25 |
| Khertan | i can look | 17:25 |
| Khertan | but ... i already wear glasses | 17:25 |
| Khertan | i don't want to be blind | 17:25 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 17:25 |
| aquatix | `omg, the goggles - they do nothing!' | 17:25 |
| * aquatix doesn't know whether the opensync code is nice or not | 17:26 | |
| Khertan | oh ... i ve found something interesting about sync ml : http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programmation_XML/SyncML | 17:26 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:26 |
| Khertan | huhu it use uuid | 17:27 |
| Khertan | <SyncML> <SyncHdr> <VerDTD>1.1</VerDTD> <VerProto>SyncML/1.1</VerProto> <SessionID>104050403</SessionID> <MsgID>5</MsgID> <Cred>...</Cred> </SyncHdr> <SyncBody> <Status>...</Status> <Sync> <Target>target database URI</Target> <Source>source database URI</Source> <Add>datafield and data</Add> <Replace>an existing data field with some data</Replace> </Sync> </SyncBody> </SyncML> | 17:27 |
| Khertan | ouch sorry | 17:27 |
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| Khertan | hum ... and if says that i can do something that use google as middleware for the syncml ? | 17:29 |
| RST38h | jaffa: Android = java | 17:29 |
| Khertan | and java != good | 17:29 |
| RST38h | I.e. it suddenly becomes uninsteresting for any serious development | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | Pfft. | 17:30 |
| yacoob | RST38h, there are developers that think exactly otherwise :) | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | Android actually == JVM + Dalvik. | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | Which means: Groovy, Python, JRuby, Java, ... | 17:31 |
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| Jaffa | Mature tooling. Rich libraries. | 17:31 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone who says "Java is uninteresting for any serious development" may mean *to them*, but in the real world... not so much. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: abismal performance | 17:31 |
| RST38h | memory hog. | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | (FSVO real, where real == $$$) | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: In a real world you need to play mpeg4 video ;) | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Google's answer to that is Dalvik, not a typical stack-based JVM. Whether it works or not, I dunno. | 17:32 |
| aquatix | RST38h: actually, things like opera mini and google maps run just fine on my cellphone | 17:32 |
| RST38h | jaffa: Dalvik is not the answer, I am sorry | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Android demo I saw this morning was quite happy doing complex 3D, semi-transparent rendering and MPEG4 video. | 17:32 |
| * aquatix is curious to the performance of android though | 17:33 | |
| yacoob | RST38h, bad java apps are mostly results of its popularity | 17:33 |
| RST38h | jaffa: It works faster than most JITs of course, but not fast enough | 17:33 |
| yacoob | same story as with php | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you get my -community email? | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It's better than Python | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | jaffa: I have seen 3D demo on a Spectrum. Does not mean anything. | 17:33 |
| aquatix | RST38h: but how is that different from python on the n8x0? | 17:33 |
| yacoob | you had sudden influx of eager "developers", commiting every possible sin there is | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Python is not trying to become the only languge to develop in | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'm not going to have a theoretical debate about the performance of a platform which hasn't been released. | 17:33 |
| aquatix | true | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Python is an option on Maemo. Java is the main dev language on Android | 17:34 |
| aquatix | RST38h: but it runs fine, and people are doing multimedia with it | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: it is not theoretical, really | 17:34 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: RST38h: It's better than Python : FALSE ! | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: which one, the first task one? | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | Yeah | 17:34 |
| aquatix | Khertan: erm, performance of java in a decent jvm is better than python | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Very practical. Means that instead of video decoders, emulators, complex games you will just get a bunch of underbaked slow java apps like you get for java phones | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I figure you're probably best equipped to understand the issue. | 17:35 |
| * aquatix likes python though | 17:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | So if you could bug everybody else about it. ;) | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: will do :-) | 17:35 |
| jott | it really depends on which applications you want to develop. 90% of normal end-user apps will probably be fine with dalvik. | 17:35 |
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| * python likes aquatix too :) | 17:35 | |
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| jott | depending on how fast the native gui+multimedia stack is... | 17:35 |
| aquatix | awww :) | 17:35 |
| Khertan | lol syncml AND python search in sourceforge give no results | 17:35 |
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| Jaffa | jott: indeed. | 17:36 |
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| aquatix | Khertan: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=130831&package_id=183625 ? | 17:37 |
| aquatix | that's code from http://www.taskcoach.org/ | 17:38 |
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| dystopia | t_s_o: yes that was a DEC :-) | 17:38 |
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| Khertan | yep ... but syncing task is easy | 17:38 |
| Khertan | and isn't really hard | 17:38 |
| Khertan | not the same thing for event | 17:38 |
| Khertan | recurrence | 17:39 |
| Khertan | for example :) | 17:39 |
| yacoob | recurrence? exceptions from it ftw! | 17:40 |
| aquatix | yeah | 17:40 |
| yacoob | (speaking of which, scheduleworld has just messed my gcal :E) | 17:40 |
| aquatix | i think devices normally just store exceptions to the recurrence | 17:40 |
| * aquatix gave up on synching his phone (primary PIM) a while back | 17:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's insistence that their closed-source UI stuff gives them an advantage is laughable. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | If anything, it hurts them because the community can't hack on it and turn their suck into not-suck. | 17:41 |
| aquatix | no good syncml services out there | 17:41 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: myeah | 17:41 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: suffice to say, I'll raise this with Ari tonight ;-) | 17:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, beat him around with a 2x4. | 17:42 |
| Khertan | aquatix: do you if taskcoach is already be able to do sync by syncml protocol ? i see nothing in the code | 17:43 |
| johnx_ | yeah, 80% is the low and mid level libraries, 20% is all the user facing stuff... | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | ...apart from hildon-desktop | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 80% is all the stuff they just got from other people. ;) | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:44 |
| johnx_ | well hildon-desktop *itself* is open...but not anything that makes it a real desktop | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | true | 17:44 |
| aquatix | Khertan: well, i got those links from here - http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python.announce/browse_thread/thread/86a3c875c3da65d9 | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still need somebody who knows libconic | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be really nice to replace the connectivity applets with a "Advanced" version. | 17:45 |
| aquatix | Khertan: or check http://libsyncml.opensync.org/ | 17:46 |
| johnx_ | heh...like network manager? | 17:46 |
| aquatix | but that's C, likely | 17:46 |
| aquatix | Khertan: interesting to make a port though ;) | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The battery applet should be an easy one to replace. | 17:46 |
| johnx_ | practically done already | 17:47 |
| johnx_ | since you can put systray apps in the statusbar it should be just a matter of compiling an off the shelf battery applet that can grok hal | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drag in some retu numbers for some more interesting stats. | 17:48 |
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| johnx_ | then you quickly end up being device specific... | 17:48 |
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| johnx_ | one step forward, two steps back | 17:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, what else are you looking to use it on? :P | 17:49 |
| Binky | Hi all | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be simple enough to detect what it's running on, anyway. | 17:49 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, *everything else* :) | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and only show the retu stuff when appropriate. | 17:49 |
| johnx_ | how about the next tablet for one, and the pandora for another | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather have the extra functionality on the tablet I have right now. | 17:49 |
| johnx_ | then code it in :P | 17:50 |
| Binky | People, i never play marbles, if i remove /usr/games/lmarbles, will it be removed? | 17:50 |
| johnx_ | I'm just say there are already battery applets we can use now | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, get to Hildonizing then. :P | 17:51 |
| johnx_ | meh | 17:51 |
| johnx_ | I'm not sold on a hildon only desktop | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: still have a bit of an idea of a hildon ui on debian, eh? | 17:52 |
| summatusmentis | if there were a way to have a dual hildon/gtk desktop... :) | 17:52 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, digging into the "pkg-maemo" modest source package right now | 17:52 |
| johnx_ | if I could make bzr checkout the code...grrrr | 17:53 |
| aquatix | Binky: isn't there a package for it? | 17:54 |
| aquatix | Binky: if so, remove it with the app manager | 17:54 |
| Binky | It comes preinstalled | 17:54 |
| johnx_ | it still has an entry in apt | 17:54 |
| johnx_ | but if you remove it through apt it will remove osso-software-version-* | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Hildon is GTK. . . . | 17:55 |
| Binky | johnx_, But anyway, i can't remove apps, i have to erase files | 17:55 |
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| johnx_ | Binky, you can remove it with apt-get remove <package> | 17:56 |
| Binky | No, i can't | 17:56 |
| johnx_ | I have done this in the past | 17:56 |
| Binky | Results in an error | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_: dpkg with force-all can remove a package but leaves deps unsatisfied | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | s/a package/a preinstalled package/ | 17:57 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: johnx_: dpkg with force-all can remove a preinstalled package but leaves deps unsatisfied | 17:57 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, I just sacrificed osso-software-version | 17:57 |
| Binky | I can install apps but i can't remove them. | 17:57 |
| Binky | johnx_, what's the use of that package? | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_: true. In chinook I did this but now with SSU, I don't take any chances :) | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, same here | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | Binky, it's used during updates to make sure everything gets updated | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | anyways, if you want to remove just the files, do apt-cache search marbles, then dpkg -L package-name | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | that will tell you the files | 17:58 |
| Binky | cannot remove `/.': Invalid argument Errors were encountered while processing: any appE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh, I guess I knew that | 17:59 |
| johnx_ | what was the exact command you used | 17:59 |
| johnx_ | ? | 17:59 |
| Binky | # apt-get remove mitter | 18:00 |
| Binky | But the same with any package | 18:00 |
| johnx_ | aaah...so your whole system is somewhat broken | 18:00 |
| Binky | Also, apt-cache search marbles won't give me any result | 18:00 |
| Binky | johnx_, it was, but i kinda 'fixed' it | 18:01 |
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| johnx_ | if you can't remove any app I would call it broken | 18:01 |
| Binky | So, i can install, but no uninstall | 18:01 |
| johnx_ | also, it does turn up results on my working system | 18:01 |
| Binky | My /var/apt/archives/status broke | 18:02 |
| Binky | johnx_, it finds results for other apps, but not marbles | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Binky: What is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/? Do you have a *marbles.list file in there? | 18:03 |
| johnx_ | I can't make guesses about what kind of damage is done to /var/lib/dpkg/status | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | gah. anyone happen to have utelnetd-0.1.3.tar.gz source laying about? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | the homepage of it is broken | 18:03 |
| Binky | johnx_, it manages apt-get | 18:03 |
| johnx_ | Binky, and yet it's obviously broken | 18:04 |
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| Binky | Nope. It's blank, since it was all corrupted | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Simple tricks ;) http://www.pengutronix.de/software/utelnetd/utelnetd-0.1.3.tar.gz | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | my geek fu isn't as good as it used to | 18:04 |
| Binky | And my 770 doesn't know what apps i have installed | 18:05 |
| Binky | But i know | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Though I probably have the source laying about due to the amount of router firmware sources I got... | 18:05 |
| johnx_ | Binky, ahahaha...so your /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't related in any way to what's installed...but it's not *broken* | 18:05 |
| Binky | johnx_, that's it. i messed up the file location, sorry | 18:06 |
| johnx_ | if you want to remove it by hand then try find /usr -name "*marble*" | 18:06 |
| johnx_ | that will give you a hint at least | 18:06 |
| johnx_ | some stuff in /usr/share /usr/games and maybe /usr/lib | 18:07 |
| Binky | Yup. | 18:08 |
| johnx_ | then when you have time, reflash :) | 18:09 |
| Binky | And remov all results. And it's done, true? | 18:09 |
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| johnx_ | well, remove stuff that you think is related | 18:09 |
| johnx_ | and there will probably be little bits left behind | 18:10 |
| johnx_ | there's not much you can do in your situation, without a working package manager | 18:10 |
| Binky | Oh no! I'd have reflashed looong time ago, but WSOD is there... Hiding... And when you less wait it... WHITE!!! | 18:10 |
| jott | are there any plans for the evening? | 18:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | For shame! "Maemo.org is an open source project, sponsored and contributed by Nokia" | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Nokia uses Maemo.org as the foundation of its own Maemo software that currently fuels Nokia’s Internet Tablets" not sure what _that_ means, exactly. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | marketing speak? | 18:19 |
| dystopia | it means nokia abuses maemo.org and currently nokia internet tablet is using maemo software | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody at the Summit make sure somebody from Nokia legal is hunted down about the maemo.org stuff? | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Members | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia hasn't been upgraded. | 18:23 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint5 review in #maemo-meeting 9/19 | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/" | 18:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what's going on with the sprint review? | 18:29 |
| lcuk | a sprint review in the middle of the summit? | 18:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So says the wiki | 18:29 |
| lcuk | sounds like an odd time | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, don't see where it could fit. | 18:30 |
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| andrewfblack | is anyone at the summit on there Tablet? lol | 18:59 |
| aquatix | everyone's battery is running out now ;) | 18:59 |
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| aquatix | andrewfblack: was quite fun to see quite a lot of NIT's (and Eee's) at FOSDEM this year too btw | 19:00 |
| aquatix | and that's already a while ago | 19:00 |
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| andrewfblack | Lunch time | 19:01 |
| aquatix | enjoy | 19:01 |
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| mathisderpenner_ | weiß einer die lottozahlen | 19:06 |
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| aquatix | yeah, hello to you too | 19:09 |
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| ptman | so the announcements today mean mobile broadband on maemo, not mobile phone running maemo? | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | Correct. | 19:12 |
| * Jaffa foods. | 19:13 | |
| Stskeeps | who'd want a nokia tablet glued to their ear anyway? | 19:14 |
| * qwerty12 sighs in relief as I replace my shell script cgi with a c++ one | 19:14 | |
| Stskeeps | earprint galore | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:14 |
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| dystopia | nokia implant tablet | 19:15 |
| dystopia | with 100% more RFID:-) | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | god, i'd really like a ctrl-alt-del like thing on the tablets | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | so i dont have to physically pop the battery | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:16 |
| * Stskeeps ponders making a mmc door trigger | 19:17 | |
| johnx_ | figure out a way to send a sysrq | 19:17 |
| johnx_ | usb keyboard should do it | 19:17 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, ill buy that for a dollar | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sortof making the boot process all over again so it feels like june again | 19:17 |
| lcuk | usb big red button | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:18 |
| lcuk | i allocated all my sketches (about 300 at the mo) multiple times without freeing them, my pooter went a bit skitz | 19:18 |
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| Mousey | can stimpy KEEP from PUSHING the SHINEY RED BUTTON that BECKONS him EVEN NOW | 19:18 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/5051024/hps-wireless-comfort-keyboard-has-emergency-ctrl+alt+del-key | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: i noticed one reason for ubuntu on tablets - mojo targets the processors more directly than debian's catch-most-arm | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | yeah, I've been thinking about that | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | a debian build of mojo looks pretty ideal though | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:20 |
| johnx_ | angstrom is another possibility, too | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | and i wonder if it would be possible to compile specific needed packages like let's say xserver, dash or the likes :P | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | but not sure how apt handles that | 19:21 |
| johnx_ | I'd still like to figure out what needs to happen to run hildon apps in a normal window manager... | 19:21 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, you export some env variable and build away | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | true | 19:21 |
| johnx_ | we have such a wealth of apps that work *really* great on the tablet...it would be a shame to toss them aside | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | i was thinking if it would be possible to do Maemo chroot really | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | with same tricks, two xomap etc | 19:22 |
| johnx_ | *sigh* that seems pretty icky to me | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it's one way ;) | 19:23 |
| johnx_ | definitely | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | hildon packages exist for debian though | 19:23 |
| johnx_ | yup | 19:23 |
| johnx_ | and I'm working on figuring out why bzr won't let me check out the work in progress modest debian package... | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | you want to see if it sucks less on debian? ;) | 19:24 |
| johnx_ | I *like it* on os200x | 19:24 |
| johnx_ | I must be the only person who it works perfectly for... | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | You would need to run a sapwood at least. I did ssh -X forwarding of hildon apps from the tablet to the computer and the result was a little freaky :/ http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png | 19:24 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, that's cause the gtk theme is set to hildon too | 19:25 |
| johnx_ | I'm thinking sato gtk theme would be nice | 19:25 |
| johnx_ | hildon gtk theme is truly weird | 19:25 |
| johnx_ | and I want to stab sapwood for wasting my time | 19:25 |
| johnx_ | ha! made bzr work | 19:26 |
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| johnx_ | seriously, a gtk theme that relies on some random separate process ... who thought that was an ok idea? | 19:27 |
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| rm_you | jott: yo? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: maybe it saves resources.. | 19:28 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, It must...but it's still a kludge | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sapwood is supposed to be "lightweight" | 19:29 |
| johnx_ | good for it. the default gtk theme is probably more lightweight | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then why are they using? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | There must be SOME reason. | 19:29 |
| johnx_ | they probably wanted to be able to theme with pixmaps | 19:29 |
| johnx_ | that's my only conclusion | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | at least sapwood is opensource. it would really take the piss if it wasn't :/ | 19:30 |
| johnx_ | anyways, I'll see what I can make work without it | 19:30 |
| johnx_ | and how screwed up the results look :) | 19:31 |
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| johnx_ | an omap3 sure will be nice for on-device builds :) | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | i have two qemu-system-armel debian boxes by now :P | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | using them for building | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | not as fast as scratchbox though.. | 19:31 |
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| johnx_ | I should put mine back in place...but I'm not convinced it's much faster on an athlon64 | 19:32 |
| johnx_ | and thankfully I'm not building anything huge these days | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, Beagle's are cheap. ;) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking about getting a beagle but i dont have any flatscreens :P | 19:32 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, pandora comes with a screen :) | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Twice the price, though. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not ONE? | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They haven't sold a use CRT in at least 4 years. . . . | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/use/useful/ | 19:33 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: They haven't sold a useful CRT in at least 4 years. . . . | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, except on a laptop | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | dvi to vga converter exist, right? | 19:33 |
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| Pavlov | beagles don't have screens to break either | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm of the opinion that i should use old equipment until the benefit of something newer warrants the cost | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | or the pain | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, if you had upgraded to an LCD 4 years ago, you would've recouped the cost in electricity saving several times over. | 19:34 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I know what you mean...all my crts finally died horrible, slow deaths | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh, i don't get charged for electricity :P | 19:35 |
| johnx_ | I'm lucky too, cause I have no desktop space for them | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | very low flat rate | 19:35 |
| jott | rm_you: pong | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | back | 19:42 |
| RST38h | -303! | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Isn't it fun to watch, in a weird macabre way? | 19:42 |
| liri | can the default media player or canola play http streams from vlc? | 19:46 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, how is it where you are? | 19:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | my crt died violently too | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | with the mother board, and all thing plugged in the electric plug in my student appartement | 19:47 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, so what do you think? time to buy in yet? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | nokia stock? :P | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | I think the DOW is what he's on about | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:50 |
| johnx_ | took awhile to figure out that wasn't just a random number :) | 19:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: also not good | 19:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: government stopped trading for a few hours, reopened it, and MMVB-3%, RTS-6% | 19:52 |
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| johnx_ | ick | 19:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: I dunno. Looks like this is not the end of the descent | 19:52 |
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| johnx_ | ha! my bank is getting screwed too | 19:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: if this goes for a few more days, there is a good chance that Putin says "ok, we tried market economy and it did not work out" and just tells the government to buy whatever remains of the stocks, wholesale | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | and puts back communism into place saying they were just hibernating? :P | 19:56 |
| RST38h | that would be fun | 19:56 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, seriously? | 19:56 |
| RST38h | sts: more or less, although it is socialism, basically | 19:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: yes. | 19:56 |
| johnx_ | O_o | 19:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: they have got the money - 3rd place in gold reserves in the world | 19:57 |
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| johnx_ | ahaha...Japan Tobacco is up. Stressed out bank execs need to smoke :D | 19:57 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, gold is down though... | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: it'll be up in no time now =) | 19:57 |
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| dystopia | NOK 5,69% down | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | As a side note, Obama is up | 20:02 |
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| * johnx_ wonders about currency values as modest builds | 20:04 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | Someone have ten minutes to help me ? | 20:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: ruble has been down but is now floating around 25.5/$ | 20:09 |
| RST38h | khetan:? | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | mCalendar icon doesn t appear in the tasknav | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i don t understand why | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think it s .desktop problem | 20:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: euro appears to be up relative to $ | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | but after refine and revise it again and again | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve still the same problem | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Khertan: on the left side, where running apps icons are? | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: yep | 20:10 |
| RST38h | not a .desktop problem | 20:10 |
| RST38h | you have to report your app name to gtk | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum really ? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | a second | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg ... | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | this suck | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | i blank it | 20:11 |
| RST38h | /* Initialize GTK and GLib type system */ | 20:11 |
| RST38h | gtk_init(&ARGC,&ARGV); | 20:11 |
| RST38h | g_type_init(); | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | the first line (gtk_init) is what you need | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | as when creating window with Hildon window and python | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | binding | 20:11 |
| RST38h | you have to do it somehow | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | if you don t clear the name, it show the name of the python file + the name of the window | 20:12 |
| RST38h | or it won't know what icon to show | 20:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum i will try ... thx | 20:12 |
| RST38h | fake argc/argv for it | 20:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think too it could be a dbus things | 20:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | gtk.set_application_name('mCalendar') | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | seems to be not enoughn | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | no, you need to pass argc/argv to gtk_init | 20:15 |
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| rm_you | jott: reping | 20:17 |
| jott | rm_you: what's up? :) | 20:17 |
| rm_you | we're going for food and a pint. | 20:18 |
| jott | aye. where to? | 20:18 |
| rm_you | irish pub next to the hotel here | 20:18 |
| rm_you | in the shopping center belw the hotel | 20:19 |
| jott | hmm, alright. i think i'll come around. when are you there? | 20:19 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 20:20 |
| mikkov_ | Khertan: set_title() could be what you're looking for | 20:21 |
| rm_you | going now. be there for a while. i can call you on timeless' phone in a bit | 20:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | set_title doesn t seems to work for icon | 20:21 |
| mikkov_ | ah, ok haven't really tried | 20:22 |
| mikkov_ | osso_initialize() had something? | 20:22 |
| jott | hello GNUton | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Kherton, gtk_init | 20:24 |
| RST38h | Khertan: it makes no sense to try other ways. I have already tried them all :) | 20:24 |
| mikkov_ | you don't really call gtk_init directly in pygtk? | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i don t understand as i don t set it on pygtkediotr and it s work | 20:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and i ven t found how to call gtk_init in python way | 20:25 |
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| chrisv | hi folks | 20:30 |
| mikkov_ | Khertan_n810: you have specified service file in mcalendar.desktop but there is no .service file with that name | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Khertan: I am sure python calls it for you implicitely | 20:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | mikkov_: usr/share/dbus-1/services/mcalendar.service | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | not here ? | 20:32 |
| chrisv | n00b question: as it seems there is no resolvconf (the program, not the resolv.conf file) on maemo, how is one supposed to add a nameserver dynamically (trying to setup openvpn)? | 20:32 |
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| mikkov_ | Khertan_n810: ah, ok I was looking for net.khertan.mcalendar. Forgot difference between service name and actual file ;) | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:33 |
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| dougt_ | noob q -- when you boot a different kernel using the flasher, do you lose access to your media cards? | 20:36 |
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| Khertan_n810 | sorry 3g connection drop sometimes | 20:37 |
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| johnx_ | modest is not a small app... | 20:38 |
| mikkov_ | chrisv: you could try some hackery with up and down scripts if you know dns servers beforehand | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll say more : modest is the best mobile email client i have ever see | 20:39 |
| johnx_ | Khertan, you and me are the only 2 people who think that... | 20:40 |
| mikkov_ | chrisv: this could also be helpful https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=3286&forum_id=2715 | 20:40 |
| chrisv | mikkov: thx, that dnsmasq thing seems to be exactly what I was looking for | 20:41 |
| RST38h | johnx,Khertan: you are | 20:41 |
| RST38h | it's awful, mostly because of the bugs | 20:41 |
| RST38h | but a non-proportional font setting and the ability to see *all* your accounts at the left would also help it | 20:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: i don t see bugs ... | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok sometimes a killall modest help | 20:42 |
| johnx_ | there are bugs...it's just better than anything *else* | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | (a connection drop while retrieving a mail can freeze the retrieving process) | 20:43 |
| jott | mutt :) | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | Pyne4Maemo :) | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | not bugged ... but less function | 20:43 |
| johnx_ | heh...the big win for modest is that it's thumb-friendly | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | no ssl | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | no imap | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | and have a great interface | 20:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | simple ... and not many click are requirement to do sample thing | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/requirement/required | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/sample/simple | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/thing/things | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:45 |
| johnx_ | exactly. it covers 90% of my usage while mobile | 20:46 |
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| Sargun_Screen | i like the treo keyboard far better | 20:51 |
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| Sargun_Screen | but its too od for a device as large as a tablet | 20:51 |
| johnx_ | I like the zaurus 5500 keyboard best...but maybe I'm weird | 20:51 |
| johnx_ | ...for treo-sized keyboards | 20:52 |
| johnx_ | and the zaurus c1000 keyboard for bigger ones | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | i like the one from the n810 | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | anyway i ve never try the keyboard of the 5500 | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i know i don t like the treo one | 20:53 |
| johnx_ | and modest built! | 20:55 |
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| dystopia | mutt supports ssl as does stunnel | 20:59 |
| RST38h | PINE. | 20:59 |
| * RST38h wants his PINE. | 20:59 | |
| * johnx_ hits RST38h with a PINE | 20:59 | |
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| dystopia | uw bleh, not free enough | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Microsoft Almost Bought Nintendo, And More Revelations by Peter Moore [Microsoft] | 21:00 |
| RST38h | scary shit | 21:00 |
| * RST38h has no problem with "not free". It is free if they let me use it for free and do not bugger me | 21:00 | |
| Khertan_n810 | RST38h: ? | 21:00 |
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| dystopia | strange maybe join #warez instead | 21:01 |
| RST38h | dystopia: I did not mention "steal" anywhere | 21:01 |
| RST38h | uw lets me use PINE for free. No stealing involved. | 21:01 |
| dystopia | "steal" | 21:01 |
| dystopia | if you want scary proza try halloween files ;-) | 21:01 |
| RST38h | yea, but MS buying Nintendo - horror! | 21:02 |
| dystopia | why not just use mutt? | 21:02 |
| RST38h | not used to it, that's all | 21:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rst38h : a rumor ? | 21:02 |
| dystopia | or sth else actively mantained | 21:02 |
| RST38h | would probably use it otherwise | 21:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | or for real | 21:02 |
| dystopia | consider muttlikepine | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Khertan: http://gizmodo.com/5051146/microsoft-almost-bought-nintendo-and-more-revelations-by-peter-moore | 21:03 |
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| dystopia | glad they didn't, now we have the Wii | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tservice.net.ru/~s0mbre/blog/2008/09/17/ | 21:05 |
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| johnx_ | oooh...the new gumstix | 21:06 |
| johnx_ | didn't know about that | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, that looks cute | 21:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | 18 juil 2007 peter moore leave microsoft for EA Sport | 21:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | not really a fresh news | 21:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 21:08 |
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| konttori | hi | 21:13 |
| dystopia | hello | 21:14 |
| konttori | what have people been thinking about the page 3 on aris slides? | 21:14 |
| konttori | http://www.slideshare.net/silpol/nokia-and-maemo-next-iteration-presentation/ | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think HSDPA sounds expensive. | 21:14 |
| dystopia | the hot debate involves HSPA | 21:14 |
| dystopia | some love it, some hate it | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to know if we'll be getting a RAM upgrade. | 21:15 |
| johnx_ | me? I'm against sharing photos. Stealing souls is the devil's work! | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m more interested by the slide page 6 | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Micron only offers a 256MB PoP without the NAND. | 21:15 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, my sources say no | 21:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | more at the devsesh 5 :) | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, it depends. | 21:15 |
| Blafasel | HSPA would be nice | 21:16 |
| konttori | well, wimax is not so wide spread, and there seems to be unlimited data plans all over the place these days | 21:16 |
| konttori | at least to me that sounds pretty good. | 21:17 |
| johnx_ | HSPA without a huge price hike would be nice. so would a free lunch. too bad neither exist... | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, data'll be at least $30/mo. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here in the US. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's more than I want to pay. | 21:17 |
| konttori | we have in finland 9 euros per month unlimited data on 3g | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't care so much if they were offering a tablet WITHOUT the HSPA modem that I'm not going to use. . . . | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't sound particularly promising. | 21:18 |
| konttori | how about the omap3? | 21:18 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Data is 25 EUR here, I only cancelled it some days ago because of my mofo stupid f..ing carrier. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, that's been expected for a while. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing new there. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: expected - just hoping the battery life is just as good :P | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it will be. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we've got two extra cores in the game. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the high-usage scenario may be a bit shorter | 21:19 |
| konttori | well, I would expect that the battery life would be. I don't think nokia would unlearn the linux power management overnight | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | but regular use should be the same life, if not better. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, OMAP3 has almost the same consumption figures as OMAP2 | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | at 2-3x the performance. :D | 21:19 |
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| konttori | sure. and that sounds pretty nice for flash on the browser | 21:20 |
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| johnx_ | and video! and games! | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashy UI compositing effects. | 21:21 |
| konttori | do they mention anything about which omap3? | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there's pretty much no chance it wont be the OMAP3430 | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there's pretty much no chance it wont be the OMAP3440 is really a UMPC chip | 21:21 |
| dystopia | data plans are cheap nowadays | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP3420 and OMAP3410 are missing cores/have smaller LCD controllers. | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dystopia, not cheap enough. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and more expensive than just tethering for me. | 21:22 |
| dystopia | then you go tether:-) | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and pay for an HSPA modem I wont use. | 21:22 |
| konttori | so, are you saying it's either 3430 or 3440? | 21:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't like paying for hardware that wont be used. | 21:22 | |
| dystopia | or don't buy the device | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, there's pretty much no chance of it being OMAP3440 | 21:22 |
| dystopia | oh i get that all the time | 21:22 |
| konttori | ah. so, that leaves 3430? | 21:23 |
| dystopia | i get software free when i buy hardware | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's almost certainly (like, 99%) that it'll be OMAP3430 | 21:23 |
| dystopia | nero, for example | 21:23 |
| dystopia | or windows | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 is 600MHz, OMAP3440 is 800MHz | 21:23 |
| dystopia | or SD card, or cables, or car mount kit | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The voltage bump to get 800MHz is less than trivial. | 21:23 |
| RST38h | So, anything new on that Jaaksi speech? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, did you see the slides or the blog post? | 21:24 |
| RST38h | yes, but slide look very generic | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ | 21:24 |
| RST38h | nothing in them really | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they summarize the content of the speech pretty nicely. | 21:25 |
| konttori | so, 3430 cannot be run on any greater speed than 600? | 21:25 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, modest runs ok with different gtk themes...though it's missing a huge chunk of icons | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, well, the Pandora guys got the OMAP3530 (same chip, except missing a couple interfaces and slightly larger ball-pitch) up to 900MHz | 21:25 |
| johnx_ | and since it's coded with only the hildon theme in mind some widgets are mis-sized | 21:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It can be overclocked, but the chance of it just up and dying one day goes up fairly significantly. | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | BTW, those 900MHz or 600MHz will do you no good if your SDRAM is clocked at 100MHz | 21:26 |
| johnx_ | and nokia will definitely ship a smaller, tighter system with less room for heat to go | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Unless, of course, you are running some video decoder that fits into cache, with data | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 133MHz, RST38h. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: sounds interesting | 21:27 |
| RST38h | GAN: Low :( Cache sizes in these chips? | 21:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles brainfarts. | 21:27 | |
| * GeneralAntilles digs up the Beagle hardware reference. | 21:28 | |
| RST38h | Found it | 21:28 |
| RST38h | L1: 32 KB (ARM Cortex-A8) | 21:28 |
| RST38h | L2: 96 KB (DSP),256 KB (ARM Cortex-A8) | 21:28 |
| RST38h | 256kB L2 is nice | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Does not tell clocks per access for these though and whether they are joint or separate caches | 21:29 |
| RST38h | Ah, found it. L1: 4-way associative 16kB I and D caches | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: screenshot? | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this may be meaningful to you: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/12c7bd415fbc0993/456fd8eda1edde8e?lnk=gst&q=memory#456fd8eda1edde8e | 21:30 |
| RST38h | 256kB L2 cache is unified | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Seeing how far his C and Simd figures are, he is measuring code executing time =) | 21:32 |
| hung_andrew | Hi, all. Such a question. How much tome does it take to fully charge your Nokia N810 from zero? | 21:32 |
| hung_andrew | how much time | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | hung_andrew, 30 minutes to 80%, 2.5 hours to 100% | 21:32 |
| RST38h | Later he quotes 168MB/s and 190MB/s | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2-3 hours total. | 21:33 |
| hung_andrew | thank you all, this is my first N810 charging | 21:33 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, finding a section of my mail I don't mind putting in a screenie :) | 21:33 |
| RST38h | His effective rate is 47.5 million accesses per second | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: viagra spam ;) | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | Well, it probably comes down to 133MHz you quoted | 21:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | btw, Ari may have let slip the new term. | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | "multimedia computer" | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | that's .. so 90s? | 21:39 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/modest-screenie.png | 21:39 |
| RST38h | GAN: This is the term they used to refer to N95 initially | 21:39 |
| RST38h | It is not new | 21:39 |
| johnx_ | have to figure out why localization didn't take... | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: hehe, funky | 21:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, "may" | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the blog post. | 21:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: The had to scrap it last time as it confused potential buyers | 21:40 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, yeah, but it works! | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: maybe localization is seperated out into sapwood too or something | 21:40 |
| RST38h | "What do you mean 'computer'? It is not a phone?" :) | 21:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | More appropriate for a tablet | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think internet tablet would be just as good really, even with 3g :P | 21:40 |
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| RST38h | yep, although somehow I doubt it will fly for the tablet either =( | 21:41 |
| RST38h | quite a lot of "normal people" (tm) consider computer dull | 21:41 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, nah...sapwood is just for caching/drawing pixmaps...thank god | 21:41 |
| dystopia | N9/3=3G | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should just call it a "magic box" | 21:41 |
| RST38h | The Pad! | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Just copy those damn StarTrek datapads already! =) | 21:42 |
| Getkeys | they could call it the "NIT", where NIT would stand for NIT Is a Tablet | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | think usability studies on those showed they were.. horrid | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| RST38h | NIT is a measurement unit for light, I think | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Actually, they have been designed for the series by a professional UI designer | 21:43 |
| johnx_ | also a small bug, IIRC | 21:43 |
| dystopia | 'just give me the box' | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: this is why they look usable enoug | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:44 |
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| Getkeys | or !Phone | 21:44 |
| johnx_ | always funny to see the big, clunky computers of star trek from 10-15 years ago :) | 21:44 |
| dystopia | 'shall i describe it to you, or do you need a box' bah im sure someone can come up with a good quote referring to device | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i call my tablet my device | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | atleast when speaking to the gf.. | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:44 |
| dystopia | N810 i call patched magic hat | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, it makes me sad that I can see that the datapads are just decals. :( | 21:45 |
| dystopia | N800 i refer to as twin towel | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: at least you are not calling it your precioussss | 21:45 |
| dystopia | hihi:-) | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: .. sometimes ;> | 21:48 |
| johnx_ | alright...got icons with the hildon-icons theme in debian | 21:48 |
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| johnx_ | I had localization working before in debian beta2 | 21:49 |
| johnx_ | but for now, time to call it a night | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 21:50 |
| * Stskeeps goes rewrite the postdebootstrap part of installer | 21:50 | |
| johnx_ | heh...even the color select works for writing in annoying colors in your html emails | 21:51 |
| johnx_ | w00! | 21:51 |
| * johnx_ really sleeps | 21:51 | |
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| hung_andrew | Hello, again. How long does it take to flash my N810 tablet to RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14 under Windows? | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~20 seconds for the flashing | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | However long it takes you to download ~128MB to download ~128MB | 21:54 |
| hung_andrew | cool. thank you all, guys | 21:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3560#add_comment | 22:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. | 22:43 | |
| lcuk | jott, are you about | 22:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Christ | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3722 | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you do unsupported things, you get unsupported behaviors. | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | you searched for 'red pill'? :P | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it was in the recent changes search. | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't red pill just give more trouble than gain really? i mean, from what i understand of it, it just converts app manager into synaptic with all gory details on | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | and that's for people who can't do apt-get | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, only people who understand it should use it | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | and he clearly doesn't understand it. | 22:52 |
| yerga | GeneralAntilles, another similar bug reported for him: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3463 | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | yerga, he's full of them. | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: meh, re 3722 it's reasonable enough to request that it be documented on the red pill page in the wiki | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's hardly a bugzilla issue. | 22:55 |
| sp3000 | shruggery | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm probably a bit biased against him | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | as I'm really goddamn tired of his endless streams of useless bugs. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's put 6 issues into 1 bug report, then whine about 3 other unrelated things." | 22:57 |
| sp3000 | almost useless is ok | 22:57 |
| sp3000 | yeah, the presentation isn't optimal | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't be so bad if he'd figure it out. | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're the type of bugs that require the maximum amount of effort from the triager. | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not quite bad enough that you can just mark them as INVALID | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they're not quite good enough that making useful bugs out of them is a reasonable proposition. | 22:58 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: will you be on summit? | 23:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, not making this one. | 23:14 |
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| hrw | bye | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/service_break_23_9_2008.html | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hello, lardman__. | 23:56 |
| lardman__ | hi GeneralAntilles | 23:57 |
| lardman__ | it's been a long day, home at last :) | 23:57 |
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| derf | lardman__: Looked at the QR code stuff I checked in yet? | 23:57 |
| lardman__ | derf: I've been at a conf I'm afraid, hardly had time to check my email | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman__, I was noticing that the sprint review is still planned for Friday on the wiki. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should poke Quim about that. | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somehow I don't think a ~1-2 hour review is gonna fit into that tight schedule. | 23:59 |
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