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| Jaffa | re | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | spawn | 00:04 |
| eichi | http://video.golem.de/handy/1618/swype-video.html | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | okay, either i'm going insane, or splash screens help deblet bootup times.. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | eichi, saw it last night and have tools pre-prepared which could be put to similar purpose | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | (compared to fb console boots) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | maybe its the method the console data is sent | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | i should sack bootlogd on it and see if there's an actual improvement | 00:07 |
| lcuk | quantitatively please, we know you are insane already | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 00:08 |
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| * jott hits lcuk with a big software patent bat. | 00:10 | |
| jott | yeehaa! | 00:10 |
| lcuk | software patent? whatever happened to replicating something cool? as long as i dont have their source i can wave my stylus around and interpret it as i like | 00:11 |
| jott | but yeah this swype should be fairly simple to implement. | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'll give you pizza if you implement that as a h-i-m or the likes | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:12 |
| lcuk | bacon pizza? | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | bacon is a necessity on pizzas | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:12 |
| lcuk | no, if i wasnt so fatigued i might but right now i need to build other stuff | 00:13 |
| lcuk | tho i do have the keyboard tileset lying around | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | and i could store away which tiles i hover over | 00:14 |
| jott | lcuk: and no you can't, ask the eu ministry of agriculture and fisheries :D | 00:14 |
| lcuk | and i could filter out those not in a dictionary but since its a sequence the logic isnt so hard | 00:14 |
| jott | (re swpat) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/earth_explodes | 00:16 |
| jott | lcuk: levenstein will wipe your shiny little metal ass :) | 00:16 |
| lcuk | he would, but it would gain publicity :) | 00:16 |
| jott | maybe he likes it this way? :) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and it might help get it legitimately onto our devices | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | okay, the effect is not only in my head: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.nobootlogd.png vs http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.splash.png | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | it's actually a massive improvement | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | so that code i passed over does the business then? | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 00:18 |
| * lcuk thanks nokia for something if so | 00:18 | |
| Stskeeps | with some minor hacks | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | (maemo is around ~45 secs bootup) | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | yer, but it did what it said on the tin | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | now, how do you get bootup down to <5sec | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | suspend to SD, maybe.. i dunno | 00:19 |
| lcuk | its always confused me about how long all boot processes take | 00:19 |
| lcuk | im sure most things dont need to run right away | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | well linux is stuck in sysvinit world without dependancy info | 00:20 |
| lcuk | like keyboard drivers? usb thingies and those damned framebuffers | 00:20 |
| lcuk | without all them we would boot much quicker | 00:20 |
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| jott | Stskeeps: hum you just added the fb-progress thing and it got 20s faster?! | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | jott: and disabled console-fb | 00:22 |
| jott | aah. | 00:22 |
| jott | ok | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | i was astonished too | 00:22 |
| jott | console-fb does clearly block :) | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | that explains maemo bootup times a little better | 00:22 |
| jott | have you an diablo chart to compare to? | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | lmao http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033016557&posted=1#post1033016557 | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | jott: not handy, just a chinook once that's 45 sec | 00:24 |
| jott | Stskeeps: url? | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png | 00:24 |
| jott | Stskeeps: hald and portmap seem to take quite long | 00:26 |
| jott | is portmap needed anyway? | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | nah, except for NFS | 00:28 |
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| jott | does it really block for 4s?! | 00:28 |
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| jott | and i guess hald could be a bit stripped down. :) | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Stay up for another 2.5 hours and see the election results... or, go to sleep. | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | why 2.5? | 00:30 |
| jott | prepare you speech we want live coverage :) | 00:30 |
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| crashanddie | are the results up at 1 GMT? | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | err | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | 1BST? | 00:31 |
| jott | 00:00 GMT | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | fail | 00:31 |
| jott | at least polls close .. | 00:31 |
| elekt | hah | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | mikem23:59 UTC the polls close; given it's software based I wouldn't expect much manual counting to be necessary | 00:32 |
| jott | not sure about the results.. | 00:32 |
| elekt | i demand a recount | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | jott: what, my concession speech? | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, now now, watch out what you're saying... This is the maemo server we're talking about... It could take hours for the results to be ready | 00:33 |
| jott | Jaffa: or your rejection speech. just be prepared :) | 00:33 |
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| jott | "thank you for all your support!" *wave* *wave* | 00:33 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: heh - sending out a wiki link and checking it was the right one took a long time | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | jott: that's "concession" - I know cos it took me *far* too long to think of the word. I think that means I need to sleep. Especially since Mrs. Jaffa came up with it before I did. | 00:34 |
| jott | ah | 00:34 |
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| Jaffa | "Concession" and "victory" | 00:34 |
| * jott notes | 00:34 | |
| lbt | do we get to see how many votes each candidate got? | 00:35 |
| lbt | or is it 'in/out' | 00:35 |
| Jaffa | Would hope so | 00:35 |
| lbt | really? | 00:35 |
| lbt | Council of equals... | 00:36 |
| lbt | just musing... | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | okay, may have to retract my statement on consolefb vs splash - did a retest with the current image and they're about the same | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | 'spose. But if you lost by hundreds of votes that could persuade you to not try next time. | 00:36 |
| jott | yeah well would be concerning if one person got 99.9% of the votes and 0.1% is distributed among the others :) | 00:36 |
| Mek | hmm.. would http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo.png make a nice t-shirt? :) | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, i cannot explain why it boots 20 sec quicker suddenly | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | other than i don't have it on charger | 00:36 |
| jott | Mek: no winner logo has to be used :D | 00:37 |
| lbt | Mek - go for the plain black T-shirt : Turned off | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | jott, why not? | 00:37 |
| Mek | jott: yeah... I know... | 00:37 |
| jott | crashanddie: that's the rules... :) | 00:37 |
| jott | crashanddie: well i guess we all get an official t-shirt anyway... | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but what's the reason behind the rule? | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | jott, not all, only those that are going :( | 00:38 |
| jott | crashanddie: that are all! :P | 00:38 |
| elekt | when do we find out? | 00:38 |
| elekt | and where | 00:39 |
| * jott pours salt in crashanddies wounds | 00:39 | |
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| crashanddie | jott, you have no idea how cruel I can be | 00:39 |
| jott | crashanddie: just sell some hardware you got and come over ;) | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | jott, you better watch out | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | jott, I already sold my drumkit, to keep living | 00:40 |
| * Jaffa sleeps. | 00:41 | |
| Jaffa | G'night | 00:41 |
| jott | night. | 00:41 |
| elekt | when do we find out? | 00:41 |
| elekt | and where? | 00:41 |
| jott | elekt: never. it was all just a big social experiment. | 00:43 |
| elekt | you lie | 00:43 |
| jott | who knows :) | 00:43 |
| elekt | but i'd be good with that honestly | 00:43 |
| elekt | who knows, open DSP drivers today, brain implant tomorrow | 00:44 |
| elekt | they all become tyrants in the end | 00:44 |
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| Mek | http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo2.png <-- okay, no more official logo :) but I suck at doing graphics :P | 00:45 |
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| jott | Mek: you can also pick a logo from http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions | 00:46 |
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| pusling | Mek: your logo skills seems better than mine ;) ( http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ ) | 00:47 |
| Mek | :) | 00:47 |
| jott | konqi will eat us all! | 00:49 |
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| Mek | I guess I could also go with a simple http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo-oxygen.png :) | 00:58 |
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| jott | Mek: hah that's nice | 01:00 |
| jott | i would definitely use this :) | 01:01 |
| sp3000 | hmm, odd | 01:01 |
| sp3000 | if modest's set to check mail hourly, it seems to do it exactly on the hour? | 01:01 |
| * sp3000 notes that probably wouldn't scale well | 01:01 | |
| jott | Mek: maybe a little more tweaking but otherwise a nice idea (derived from pusling i guess :> | 01:03 |
| Mek | yeah... based on the official kde oxygen logo... | 01:03 |
| jott | sure | 01:03 |
| jott | svg makes it so easy ;) | 01:04 |
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| Mek | and konqi with it (okay, I should have removed some of the shadow behind the M emblem): http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo-oxygen.png | 01:12 |
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| jott | Mek: also nice but i like the simple one better :) | 01:14 |
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| Mek | yeah, I guess I'll go for the simple one | 01:15 |
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| sp3000 | why am I tempted to go through each of mark's msgs and seeing if I can pick a statement that is trivially wrong in each, and making a compilation | 01:51 |
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| sp3000 | but that would be very wrong | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll give you a dollar | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | I think the success rate would be only 50% or maybe even as low as a third | 01:52 |
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| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2KzrpX0W6 | 02:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 41 minutes to vote. | 02:18 |
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| * jott pumps adrenaline in the canditates. | 02:22 | |
| Raytray | candidates for what? | 02:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /topic, Raytray. | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The community council elects. | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote for me! :P | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/elects/elections/ | 02:24 |
| briand | No match. | 02:24 |
| Proteous | PPfffff | 02:24 |
| mgedmin_ | oh, cool, look at the topic | 02:25 |
| Proteous | no one wasn'ts a crazy overload | 02:25 |
| briand | (should have used "/g" for global. that would've affected all the text, not just the current line. :P~ | 02:25 |
| jott | topic? since when does #maemo has a real topic? :P | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | briand, doesn't work like that with infobot. | 02:25 |
| * jott goes off topic again | 02:25 | |
| briand | :nod: I know. just being pendantic | 02:25 |
| briand | er, pedantic | 02:25 |
| briand | i mean: s/pend/pen/g | 02:25 |
| briand | ;) | 02:26 |
| briand | rather, s/pend/ped/g | 02:26 |
| briand | whatever. :) too late in the day to do any thinkin' | 02:26 |
| Proteous | IT'S NEVER TOO LATE FOR BRAINAGE | 02:27 |
| mgedmin_ | who designed the voting page? | 02:28 |
| mgedmin_ | I want to tell them all about <label for="..."> | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin_, feel free to pummel dneary about the head and shoulders. ;) | 02:29 |
| jott | a bit late :) | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | For next time | 02:30 |
| jott | will there be a next time? i thought the council just restricts the next elections to 2000 karma for voting and changes karma so that only the council members can get that much karma :D | 02:31 |
| Raytray | What does this council do? | 02:32 |
| jott | start a reign of blood and terror! | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Impose its will on Raytray. | 02:32 |
| jott | on a more serious note - represent the maemo community and interacts with nokia for that matter :) | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tablet advocacy to users and community advocacy to Nokia. | 02:33 |
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| Raytray | Ah I see. | 02:34 |
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| jott | and getting shiny vip passes and fancy entries in CVs :D | 02:35 |
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| Proteous | first rule change will be to make elections in the future illegal | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Run the elections, but only let people vote for the current council members. :P | 02:53 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:53 |
| Proteous | okay, first rule change will be to only let council members code and verify the voting software | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to Diebold | 02:56 |
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| Proteous | lol | 03:02 |
| mikkov_ | who won? | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody, yet. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary's gotta announce. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's probably sleeping. | 03:05 |
| mikkov_ | it's only 2am for him | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, he's not here. :P | 03:07 |
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| jott | and i just called all major news networks to make a live coverage of the winner ceremony :( | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:16 |
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| mavhc | jott: call the geek networks, they'd actually air it if it didn't just consist of emails | 03:19 |
| jott | mavhc: but there is nothing to cover :( | 03:19 |
| * jott hesitates to write something inflammatory | 03:21 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | jott, you've run out your inflammatory credits. :P | 03:23 |
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| * jott shoots some trolls to gain some new ones. | 03:25 | |
| crashanddie | is there kismet for chinook/diablo? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | My GrandCentral account gets the weirdest calls. | 03:29 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles: did u win yet? | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary's announcing the results | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | so probably in the morning | 03:32 |
| moontiger | heh :) | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | guess not then | 03:32 |
| egypt | crashanddie: there's a link on irongeek.com about kismet but all of his stuff is for 770 | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | egypt, yeah I know | 03:33 |
| egypt | i've been looking for a working kismet installer, too. if you find one let me know. | 03:34 |
| * aspect found a link to "nokismet" somewhere on the forums, which works for me on diablo | 03:35 | |
| jott | crashanddie: last time i tried kismet it was barely usable due to the broken wifi drivers ... | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | hmm, ok | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, qwerty12 hacked something together. | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | did he now, now that's surprising | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | when the hell is that kid going to get a girlfriend | 03:37 |
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| * sp3000 fills his 1/day mark-reply quota | 03:57 | |
| sp3000 | crashanddie: ...when he hacks one together? | 03:57 |
| sp3000 | I only used one word, today! | 03:58 |
| sp3000 | (that's progress) | 03:58 |
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| sp3000 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-September/022472.html | 04:00 |
| sp3000 | and it's not even really a word! | 04:00 |
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| jott | wow, this "discussion" is still going on? | 04:21 |
| * jott is happy to not follow -users :) | 04:22 | |
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| elekt | who won | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame questions that've been answered a thousand and one times interspersed with Mark Haury Brand flamewars. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | elekt, dneary is announcing the results | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably know in the morning. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=1 | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, who'd etrunko bribe? :P | 04:24 |
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| jott | actually there just one loser not a winner :D | 04:24 |
| elekt | well it's pretty balanced | 04:24 |
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| jott | oh two losers :P | 04:25 |
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| jott | etrunko is el presidente now? | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Council selects a chair. | 04:26 |
| elekt | he's not in the chan ever? | 04:26 |
| elekt | etrunko | 04:26 |
| jott | ~seen etrunko | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frequently. | 04:26 |
| infobot | etrunko <n=edulima@200.184.118.132> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 4h 11m 30s ago, saying: ':P'. | 04:26 |
| elekt | so he's not the prez yet? | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The council selects its chair | 04:27 |
| elekt | so it's like the electoral college | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no "president" | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, not really. | 04:28 |
| elekt | ohio always screws things up, so that's good | 04:28 |
| rm_you | so you got on the council, right GA? | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The chairman wont really have additional power. | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you: unofficially | 04:28 |
| elekt | the 7 are the council? | 04:29 |
| rm_you | I don't even know who etrunko IS... >_> | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 council members | 04:29 |
| elekt | cool | 04:29 |
| elekt | Congrats then | 04:29 |
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| jott | election fraud!111!1 | 04:29 |
| elekt | haha | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a little disappointed we didn't breach 1000 | 04:31 |
| elekt | still pretty impressive if you ask me | 04:32 |
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| elekt | and i only voted once | 04:32 |
| jott | yeah 1000 would have been nice. | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | I thought there would be a council of 5 guys? | 04:33 |
| * jott wonders how many missed votes there where. | 04:33 | |
| jott | there was apparently some trouble in the beginning... | 04:33 |
| Mek | how many could vote? | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | Mek, over 10k IIRC | 04:33 |
| jott | ~10000 | 04:33 |
| Mek | :) okay... that's quite a lot | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12,000 | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, 5-person council. | 04:34 |
| jott | i still think it's ok from the rate. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll echo Jaffa in saying it's much better than the ~200 or so I was expecting. | 04:34 |
| jott | more would of course be better.. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, the whole thing happened at all. | 04:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ it's impressive. | 04:35 |
| jott | still nearly 1000 people is a good number. | 04:35 |
| jott | imagine the crowd yelling :) | 04:35 |
| elekt | and stallman wasn't even involved | 04:35 |
| Mek | too bad not all 1000 are coming to the summit :P | 04:36 |
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| jott | and much more than the initial 437 with 25 karma... so that's also good. | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | so it was worth it | 04:39 |
| crashanddie | as soon as we passed 438, it was worth to remove that limit | 04:39 |
| jott | i agree. | 04:39 |
| jott | but not in dnearys world unfortunately ... :/ | 04:40 |
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| rm_you | wait, they lifted the limit? | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | For voters, yeah. | 04:43 |
| jott | From 25 karma to 3 month old account... best would have been in my opinion (as originally proposed by GeneralAntilles) 25 karma OR 3 month | 04:44 |
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| rm_you | err | 04:49 |
| rm_you | so if you had 25 karma but your account was 2 months old, you couldnt vote this time?! | 04:49 |
| jott | yes. | 04:50 |
| rm_you | wtf | 04:50 |
| rm_you | that | 04:50 |
| rm_you | is | 04:50 |
| rm_you | retarded | 04:50 |
| jott | well karma is retarded so i could care less :/ | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll get the process a little cleaner for next time around. | 04:50 |
| rm_you | yeah, admittedly <_< | 04:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not enough discussion during the discussion period and too much after things were "finalized" this time. | 04:50 |
| rm_you | where is the karma shown again? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.maemo.org/profile/list | 04:51 |
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| elekt | man i'm so sick of iphone comparisons. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Join the club | 04:55 |
| elekt | so few people think about it in terms of content consumption vs creation | 04:56 |
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| elekt | i haven't read the 'revolution' article on itt till just now | 04:57 |
| jott | this whole process (despite Jaffas and dnearys "arguments") always reminds me of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy where the vogons come and say "There's no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department on Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now." | 04:57 |
| jott | :P | 04:57 |
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| rm_you | lolz | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, except you can actually get the wiki, planet, the mailing lists, irc, and itT. :P | 05:00 |
| jott | pfff | 05:00 |
| jott | and there was nothing on the planet :P | 05:01 |
| jott | well almost. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary posted several notices. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa had his own. | 05:01 |
| jott | and there was no real mailing list.. | 05:01 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: nah. look at the dates | 05:02 |
| rm_you | about hwat? :P | 05:02 |
| rm_you | *what | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know I PERSONALLY sent at least one to the list | 05:02 |
| jott | i don't count -developers for that matter... | 05:02 |
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| jott | anyway. | 05:02 |
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| jott | should get better now hopefully. | 05:03 |
| jott | rm_you: about how the election *process* will look like. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, anyway, what's done is done. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's look to making it better next time around rather the dwell on what went wrong this time. | 05:06 |
| jott | well it's not bad to look at what went wrong. | 05:07 |
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| jott | to make it better... | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, that's not my point. | 05:07 |
| jott | yes. | 05:07 |
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| jott | still. | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bad to sulk around bitching and moaning about what went wrong. | 05:07 |
| rm_you | possibly | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's good to examine what went wrong and change the process in the future to keep it from happening again. | 05:07 |
| elekt | mmmaybe | 05:07 |
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| rm_you | wait, no. always :P | 05:08 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: well that's my only point. and i think the council blog is the best solution for that. | 05:08 |
| elekt | the best time to talk about it is before the fact | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I'm largely irritated by the irritating whining emanating from itT. ;) | 05:09 |
| lopz | hola | 05:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | elekt, and most people missed out on the opportunity. | 05:09 |
| jott | but apparently dneary and jaffa think "everything was great" and there i strongly disagree. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I very much doubt that's a fact. | 05:09 |
| jott | well why do they argue about it then?! | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no small bit of hostility from the other side of the fence. :) | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hard just to ignore that. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I thought it was fairly well advertised | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I can understand the frustration in finding out it wasn't and having lots of people just out to bite your head off at the last minute. | 05:11 |
| elekt | dude, my cat knew about it | 05:12 |
| jott | see, that shows that it was apparently not well enough advertised. and that's my only point in that matter. | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Part of the issue with advertising also stemmed, I believe, from some hesitance to push an idea that might not work out or that might be perceived as a conflict of interest. | 05:12 |
| jott | (atleast the drafts, not the election itself. that was communicated sufficiently well) | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, everybody's on the same side. | 05:13 |
| derf | I'm not. I hate you all. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except derf. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's just angry. | 05:13 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: you just created world peace. | 05:13 |
| jott | and derf destroyed it :P | 05:14 |
| derf | No, who am I kidding, I wub you guys. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make up time! | 05:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary needs to get up and make things official. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any recommendations for a blogging system to use for the council blog? | 05:16 |
| * jott never blogged | 05:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I only blogged way back before it was cool. :P | 05:17 |
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| jott | i guess something under .maemo.org would be nice. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used MovableType back then. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's something to *.maemo.org | 05:18 |
| jott | at least domain wise, not server wise (well this will hopefully be better in the next week so it might be an option too :) | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe council.maemo.org? | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe just lump it in with News? | 05:18 |
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| jott | sounds reasonable. | 05:18 |
| jott | to have it at council | 05:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, any opinion? | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemocommunitycouncil.blogger.com or somesuch is a little cumbersome. | 05:19 |
| jott | yeah i hope it will get something under .maemo.org . it will increase liability :) | 05:21 |
| jott | council.maemo.org sounds fitting to me at least. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Little more official | 05:22 |
| jott | now somebody says "but that's not only the council of maemo.org but of maemo community" :P | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | signifier of the change in maemo.org's role. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I've completely given up on that one. | 05:22 |
| jott | well it could be a good first task for the council (besides a blog) to bring some clear definitions. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say we just call it the I-ph0n3.org Dictatorship | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe the Maemo Software.org Council | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't decided yet. | 05:24 |
| jott | i mean in the end it's one of the councils "obligations" to interact with nokia. and all the trademark stuff is nokia business. | 05:24 |
| jott | or we just use "mamona" and abandon maemo :P | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to prod Nokia legal about the footer on maemo.org . . . | 05:25 |
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| ljp | whats wrong with it? | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't comply with the new branding guidelines. | 05:43 |
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| mdg | Hello! Is there a laser keyboard available for the Nokia 770? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laser keyboards suck | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just get a normal Bluetooth keyboard. | 05:47 |
| mdg | why do they suck? | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they're garbage. | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Impossible to type on. | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way too expensive. | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you really must, the one that's all over the internet will work fine. | 05:48 |
| mdg | Okay, I'll take your word for it | 05:48 |
| mdg | Is the program Music On Console (MOC) available for nokia 770? | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=maemo+%22music+on+console%22&btnG=Search | 05:50 |
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| mdg | Cool! Thanks GeneralAntilles | 05:53 |
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| mdg | I have another quick question about upgrading os. I found a tutorial to use a windows computer and the Hacker2007 OS, but when I try to change the os to be installed to hacker, my computer refuses to recongize it - any tips to get past this? | 05:57 |
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| mdg | Thanks for the help with music on console! :) Love that program! | 06:09 |
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| dystopia | looks like maemo.org gets more memory http://maemo.org/news/events/garage_maintenance/ | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, just the beginning for the server upgrades, thankfully. | 06:23 |
| dystopia | now it will remember to send you data you requested:) | 06:25 |
| acydlord | i got a free dinovo edge keyboard from work, i should see if it works with my n810 | 06:27 |
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| acydlord | haha, super nerdy | 06:38 |
| acydlord | the dinovo edge works with the n819 | 06:38 |
| acydlord | n810 | 06:38 |
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| moontiger | does anybody know the best way to get screen rotate working? | 06:43 |
| jott | moontiger: flash the patched kernel, install patched xomap install advanced backlight :) | 06:45 |
| jott | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 should do it i guess just, don't install rotate-sb but adv-backlight instead. | 06:45 |
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| moontiger | is that the rotate.zip thingy? | 06:48 |
| jott | yes. | 06:48 |
| moontiger | ok downloading that now | 06:48 |
| moontiger | does it wipe my tablet? | 06:48 |
| jott | no :) | 06:48 |
| jott | well you can never be 100% certain :P | 06:49 |
| moontiger | wow you guys who did this stuff rock socks ... i wish i knew enough to do this stuff :) | 06:49 |
| jott | eventually you will learn it, if you really want to :) | 06:49 |
| moontiger | i am a programmer for over 15yrs now ... asm, c, c++, python, etc ... just dont know linux enough yet | 06:50 |
| jott | well see, shouldn't be that hard to catch up. | 06:50 |
| moontiger | heh cool :) | 06:50 |
| moontiger | i can ssh in as root to my tablet to do the install yes? | 06:51 |
| jott | yes. | 06:51 |
| moontiger | awesome :) here goes... | 06:51 |
| jott | better connect the power before flashing, just to be sure :) | 06:51 |
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| moontiger | ok will do ... and dpkg -i each package yes? | 06:53 |
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| jott | yes. should do it. | 06:54 |
| jott | just leave out rotate-sb | 06:55 |
| jott | and install advanced-backlight if you have not yet :) | 06:55 |
| rm_you | jott: so my shirts came in today | 06:55 |
| rm_you | they look neat | 06:55 |
| rm_you | i should have made one for ABL | 06:55 |
| jott | sweet | 06:55 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 06:55 |
| jott | moo yoo too | 06:56 |
| rm_you | jott: you can have one if you want :P least i could do | 06:56 |
| moontiger | oh f**k i install sb rotate | 06:56 |
| jott | no worries. | 06:56 |
| moontiger | is that bad? | 06:56 |
| rm_you | apt-get remove rotate-sb | 06:56 |
| moontiger | hehe | 06:56 |
| moontiger | i dont need it? | 06:56 |
| rm_you | no panic :P | 06:56 |
| jott | no. it's just old and superseded by adv-backlight :) | 06:56 |
| moontiger | hehe wow that rocks | 06:57 |
| moontiger | so cool for reading web pages etc | 06:57 |
| moontiger | the bg image tiles weird ... is that fixable? | 06:57 |
| jott | not really. just set the background again when rotated. | 06:58 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhh cool | 06:58 |
| GAN800 | Get to patching the theme engine. | 06:58 |
| jott | (well it could be fixed at other places :) | 06:58 |
| moontiger | wow this is fricking awesome | 06:58 |
| * moontiger smiles | 06:58 | |
| moontiger | does the system send out an event when rotation happens that i can trap in mgcal? | 06:58 |
| jott | just make sure you use adv-backlight for extra awesomeness :) | 06:59 |
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| jott | moontiger: uhm a resize event? :) | 06:59 |
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| jott | (that would be the sane approach imho) | 06:59 |
| moontiger | jott ... really? i can handle that event in my home screen app? | 06:59 |
| jott | oh homescreen.. hmm. well should also resize/move :) | 06:59 |
| moontiger | cos id like to have 2 layouts ... one tall and skinny ... one short and fat | 07:00 |
| jott | ah. well. | 07:00 |
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| Italodance | . | 07:00 |
| moontiger | then i could make my app rotate aware | 07:00 |
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| jott | there is the possibility to use xrandr to get a notification. | 07:00 |
| jott | but i actually think it should be handled via the root window size. | 07:00 |
| jott | as this would be more generic. | 07:00 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmm ok ... yes i see ... i could grab that event and check the window orientation with a simple math calc and adjust accordingly | 07:01 |
| jott | (applications should not really care about the orientation, more about the available screen size and adapt) | 07:02 |
| moontiger | schweet ... this is so cool | 07:02 |
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| moontiger | oh wow .... now THATS how reading web pages should be :) | 07:03 |
| moontiger | do you think they'll add an accelerometer to a future version? | 07:03 |
| jott | not that unlikely, given they cost nearly nothing :) | 07:03 |
| jott | and it's trendy atm :) | 07:04 |
| GAN800 | I hope it can be turned off, anyway. | 07:04 |
| GAN800 | the iPhone's accelerometer is really irritating | 07:04 |
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| jott | yeah well apple controls you, where as linux usually means you are in control :P | 07:05 |
| moontiger | i really cant believe how cool this is for some apps ... it makes a huge difference | 07:05 |
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| moontiger | and its really cool having it manually switchable | 07:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like to freak my mother out by shaking the iPhone violently to get it to switch to landscape. | 07:05 |
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| moontiger | so the little rotate icon is sb-rotate? | 07:06 |
| jott | moontiger: yeah, it really comes in handy sometimes. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to Newton in 1993 | 07:06 |
| jott | yes. | 07:06 |
| moontiger | and i already have adv backlight so i can apt-get remove that? | 07:06 |
| jott | yep. | 07:06 |
| moontiger | schweet :) | 07:06 |
| moontiger | damn guys ... you rock | 07:07 |
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| jott | "How the DoD learned to stop worrying and love open source" hehe (from ars) | 07:08 |
| moontiger | it wants to remove osso-software-version-rx44 ... is that ok? | 07:08 |
| jott | uh. what want's to remove it? | 07:09 |
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| moontiger | apt-get remove rotate-sb-plugin complained and suggested apt-get -f install | 07:09 |
| moontiger | then it said it wanted to remove that | 07:09 |
| jott | ah that was probably beforehand. | 07:09 |
| * jott is not sure if osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked is needed for something in that chain.. | 07:09 | |
| jott | maybe you need to install the -unlocked version. | 07:09 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: do you know for sure? :) | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe the xserver | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what qwerty12 did to work around it. | 07:10 |
| moontiger | how do i do that? | 07:10 |
| jott | just let it remove it. | 07:10 |
| moontiger | ok | 07:10 |
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| jott | it's not vital. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's vital for SSU updates | 07:10 |
| jott | then apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's not available in diablo-1 last time I checked. | 07:10 |
| jott | yes but not for a running system., | 07:10 |
| jott | gna. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That may have changed | 07:11 |
| * moontiger hesitates... | 07:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, at worst, you apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 to install the next SSU push. | 07:11 |
| moontiger | ok well it did it | 07:12 |
| moontiger | so what did i just remove with the osso thing? | 07:12 |
| jott | it's a meta package that contains references to all "base" packages with a fixed version number. | 07:13 |
| moontiger | the unlocked is in the repos | 07:13 |
| moontiger | osso-software-version-unlocked | 07:13 |
| jott | the -unlocked version does not have the restriction for fixed version numbers. | 07:13 |
| jott | it should be osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 07:13 |
| jott | (with rx44 in it for n810) | 07:13 |
| moontiger | thats not in there | 07:13 |
| moontiger | can i just re-install the locked one? | 07:14 |
| moontiger | now that i uninstalled the roate plugin | 07:14 |
| jott | the rotate plugin in unrelated to that.. | 07:14 |
| moontiger | right ... i just had to remove to be allowed to remove the plugin | 07:15 |
| jott | it's the xserver that makes trouble :/ | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you! | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we [i]please[/i] change the name of that package. . . .? | 07:15 |
| jott | yes, because you installed several packages with dpkg, and the consistency check was then done by apt :) | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you-super-dirty-hax | 07:15 |
| moontiger | right | 07:15 |
| jott | dpkg is one level lower :) | 07:15 |
| moontiger | what did i lose by losing the osso thing? | 07:16 |
| jott | so to speak. | 07:16 |
| jott | nothing for now. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | automatic SSU notifications | 07:16 |
| jott | but you might be in trouble when the next ssu comes out. | 07:16 |
| moontiger | the notifications only? | 07:16 |
| jott | no as i said, it's a meta package referring to all important base packages. | 07:16 |
| moontiger | ok so this is bad then? | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You _should_ be able to just apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 when the next update is pushed. | 07:17 |
| jott | and nokia handles package changes (like new base packages) via this. | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | No guarantees, though. | 07:17 |
| moontiger | worst case scenario is? | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reflash if you do a badly-timed apt-get upgrade. | 07:17 |
| moontiger | eesh | 07:18 |
| moontiger | is there a fix for this anywhere? | 07:18 |
| jott | best bet is to install the -unlocked package. | 07:18 |
| jott | there should be. | 07:18 |
| jott | it's rather trivial. | 07:18 |
| moontiger | what do i do? | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version-unlocked wont do anything. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait until the next SSU push. | 07:18 |
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| jott | i wonder why i see it in my apt list :P | 07:18 |
| moontiger | the unlocked 44? | 07:19 |
| jott | ah | 07:19 |
| jott | ok | 07:19 |
| jott | workaround: | 07:19 |
| jott | or wait..hmm | 07:19 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles: what would the next ssu push do? | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version-unlocked is rm_you's super-dirty-hax package. | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The same thing the last SSU push did | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | update the OS. | 07:20 |
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| moontiger | and the rotate xserver? | 07:20 |
| jott | http://outpo.st/osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked_4.2008.30-2_armel.deb | 07:20 |
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| jott | here you go. | 07:20 |
| moontiger | wow cool :) | 07:20 |
| moontiger | install that and im golden :) | 07:21 |
| moontiger | yes? | 07:21 |
| jott | yes should be. | 07:21 |
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| jott | and we should poke nokia folks with a stick at the summit for the broken diablo-1 repository. | 07:22 |
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| moontiger | it didnt install | 07:23 |
| moontiger | :( | 07:23 |
| jott | :( | 07:23 |
| jott | why? | 07:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I'm upgrading to cattle prods. | 07:24 |
| moontiger | version of flasher is wrong | 07:24 |
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| jott | oh.. erm | 07:24 |
| jott | mmh | 07:25 |
| jott | pastebin? | 07:25 |
| moontiger | is that a dependency line thats wrong? | 07:25 |
| moontiger | pastebin? | 07:25 |
| jott | pastebin the output :) | 07:25 |
| jott | ~pastebin | 07:25 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 07:26 |
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| moontiger | Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/Rotate# dpkg -i osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked_4.2008.30-2_armel.deb | 07:26 |
| moontiger | Selecting previously deselected package osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked. | 07:26 |
| moontiger | (Reading database ... 19490 files and directories currently installed.) | 07:26 |
| moontiger | Unpacking osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked (from osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked_4.2008.30-2_armel.deb) ... | 07:26 |
| moontiger | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked: | 07:26 |
| moontiger | osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked depends on kernel-diablo-flasher (>= 2.6.21-200829maemo1); however: | 07:26 |
| moontiger | Version of kernel-diablo-flasher on system is 2.6.21-200823maemo3. | 07:26 |
| moontiger | dpkg: error processing osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked (--install): | 07:26 |
| moontiger | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured | 07:26 |
| moontiger | Errors were encountered while processing: | 07:26 |
| moontiger | osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 07:26 |
| moontiger | is that cool? | 07:26 |
| jott | hehe that was not pastebin :D, next time :) | 07:26 |
| moontiger | oooops | 07:26 |
| moontiger | sorry | 07:26 |
| jott | no worries. | 07:26 |
| * moontiger looks at the bot | 07:26 | |
| jott | mmmmh. | 07:27 |
| * jott mumbles | 07:27 | |
| * moontiger takes notes... | 07:27 | |
| jott | it could be all so easy if nokia did it "right" :/ | 07:28 |
| jott | ok.. | 07:28 |
| * jott thinks.. | 07:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | If they had just kept it all in the freaking diablo/ repository. | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, nooooo, we've gotta throw a fuckin' spanner in the works because we're Nokia and we can't _ever_ make _ANYTHING_ easy. | 07:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 07:29 | |
| moontiger | do i need to fix this right now or am i good ? | 07:29 |
| jott | but actually this time qwerty12 kernel package is to blame :) | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, still Nokia's fault | 07:29 |
| jott | moontiger: well for now you are good. but you should fix it asap :) | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since they haven't released the freaking sources. | 07:29 |
| moontiger | ok .... how do i fix it? | 07:29 |
| jott | indeedish | 07:29 |
| jott | moontiger: let me think of a clean way. | 07:29 |
| moontiger | ok cool ... thank you very much :) | 07:30 |
| jott | i guess a good bet would be to just bump the version of the kernel package :) | 07:30 |
| moontiger | this is like packaging ninja stuff :) | 07:30 |
| jott | yes, basically :) | 07:31 |
| moontiger | is it a version number change to make all the other stuff happy? | 07:31 |
| jott | yes. that should do the trick. | 07:32 |
| moontiger | ok well if you tell me how to do that i'll be happy to do it :) | 07:33 |
| moontiger | <---- not a packaging ninja :| | 07:33 |
| * RST38h has found a weird thing | 07:33 | |
| moontiger | RST38h: i live in the castro ... thats my everyday life | 07:33 |
| RST38h | N8x0 OMAP2 is happy to let you read from an unaligned memory address | 07:34 |
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| RST38h | E70 with Symbian and OMAP1 will coredump. | 07:34 |
| moontiger | prolly does two cycles tho | 07:34 |
| RST38h | It does one and shifts | 07:34 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmm really? smart processor | 07:34 |
| RST38h | This is how an ARM without extra hardware usually does it | 07:35 |
| jott | moontiger: http://outpo.st/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200829maemo1_all.modfied.deb | 07:35 |
| RST38h | Well, you still get semi-garbage, but it is correctly shifted | 07:35 |
| jott | moontiger: just install this, and then the -unlocked package again. | 07:35 |
| moontiger | ok will do ... brb | 07:35 |
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| moontiger | jott: you would be a 100% bona-fide genius i would say :) | 07:37 |
| moontiger | thank you | 07:37 |
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| jott | moontiger: you are welcome :) | 07:39 |
| moontiger | when i move back to europe i will buy you a beer :) | 07:40 |
| jott | :) | 07:40 |
| moontiger | assuming of course you are near madrid or berlin :) | 07:43 |
| moontiger | i have to get some sleep now ... thanks for everything guys | 07:44 |
| moontiger | nn :) | 07:44 |
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| RST38h | Heh, maemo.org "karma" is certainly doing strange things lately | 07:56 |
| RST38h | 8 products = 273 ? | 07:57 |
| jott | RST38h: you should click on some of the hearts. instant karma guaranteed :P | 07:57 |
| RST38h | Doesn't work for me | 07:58 |
| RST38h | I click but nothing happens | 07:58 |
| RST38h | Besides, more inclined to click on hands =) | 07:59 |
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| jott | heh | 07:59 |
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| jott | does this give karma too? :) | 07:59 |
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| RST38h | probably subtracts :) | 07:59 |
| jott | anyway. maybe karma gets some serious love when the server upgrade is complete. :) | 08:00 |
| jott | i guess the summit will be a good place to discuss some details. | 08:00 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 08:02 |
| rm_you | yeah... super dirty -unlocked hax :P | 08:02 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: IT will WORK, btw | 08:02 |
| rm_you | as the .deb for -unlocked is INCLUDED in the -unlocked package. it doesn't rely on repos | 08:03 |
| jott | ah. | 08:03 |
| jott | good to know :) | 08:03 |
| jott | we should really finally make a one-click installer for rotation support. | 08:04 |
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| RST38h | jott: I would rather prefer *other* more important parts get some serious love =) | 08:06 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 08:07 |
| rm_you | i have it 90% done | 08:07 |
| rm_you | on my buildbox | 08:07 |
| jott | yeah well indeed. i have a deep hate relationship to the karma system but if it will be used for some "serious" things i would rather have it to be at least remotely sane. | 08:07 |
| rm_you | i just kind of... forgot about it | 08:07 |
| jott | RST38h: which part do you want to get some serious love? :D | 08:08 |
| jott | (hehe reading this, it can be misinterpreted) | 08:08 |
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| jott | rm_you: btw your osso-software-unlocked contains *old* versions of the meta packages :P | 08:10 |
| rm_you | yeah | 08:10 |
| rm_you | i kinda thought so | 08:10 |
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| jott | not that good :) | 08:10 |
| rm_you | i need to fix that | 08:10 |
| rm_you | got links to the new ones? :P | 08:10 |
| RST38h | jott: any part | 08:11 |
| jott | RST38h: you little pervert :P | 08:11 |
| RST38h | jott: the planet, download stats (which aare synced MANUALLY right now), download page, etc | 08:11 |
| rm_you | download stats are manual?! >_> | 08:12 |
| rm_you | that might explain why they would randomly DOUBLE in like a day | 08:12 |
| jott | yeah luckily x-fade is back so hopefully we see some movement. | 08:12 |
| rm_you | ah well time for sl33p | 08:12 |
| rm_you | jott: poke me tomorrow about -unlocked | 08:12 |
| jott | yeah will try to remember :) | 08:12 |
| rm_you | me too, but will fail :P | 08:12 |
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| lopz | night | 08:13 |
| RST38h | rm_you: enjoy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3629 | 08:14 |
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| * jott imagines x-fade with a tally sheet :D | 08:17 | |
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| tekojo | Morning! | 08:54 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 09:56 |
| Italodance | morning | 09:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 10:15 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any comments on the feasibility of a council.maemo.org? | 10:16 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pointing to? | 10:16 |
| X-Fade | A wiki orso? | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, after the little issue with lots of people complaining about not being able to find important community discussions. | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the ideas put forward was to have a council blog | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Isn't that what we plan for /community ? | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I'm not really following the /community plans closely. | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, anyway, the council will likely need a blog of somesort. | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Well, at least we wanted to show the active threads there etc.. | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 10:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think it'd be a nice touch to have an *.maemo.org for it. | 10:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I guess we've got News | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's overly complicated to have a whole url for it. | 10:20 |
| tekojo | Would having a url make it simpler? | 10:21 |
| tekojo | At least I have had problems with finding stuff on the site | 10:22 |
| tekojo | and am not sure if a new url would simplify it | 10:22 |
| X-Fade | I think we can create a news category which takes the blog feed. | 10:22 |
| RST38h | or maybe redesigning the main pages to contain obvious links to obvious stuff? =) | 10:22 |
| X-Fade | And add an url pointing to that. | 10:22 |
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| tekojo | RST38h touche | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I believe that's the plan. ;) | 10:23 |
| tekojo | Yes it is. More discussion on that in Berlin | 10:23 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We are planning a redesing meeting at the summit, you are welcome to join ;) | 10:23 |
| tekojo | Or earlier if there are good ideas | 10:23 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Not coming - out of vacation days | 10:23 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Too bad. :( | 10:24 |
| RST38h | But if you want some input, just ask | 10:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd like to see the site slimmed down a lot. | 10:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too many nooks and crannies that are way too hard to get to. | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | To many little extras eating up valuable screen space, bandwidth, and CPU time. | 10:24 |
| RST38h | yep | 10:25 |
| RST38h | For example, we do not need 4 (5?) different news sources | 10:26 |
| tekojo | I agree to some degree. It looks like it has evolved for a while | 10:26 |
| tekojo | and it is time for a redesign | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Working aggregator (i.e. Planet) will do just fine, as long as it allows people to ignore some sources and color codes them by importance | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | Growth was a bit adhoc. :) | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Downloads should freaking work, just WORK | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Downloads suffers from a bad case of SLOOOW | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sorry about that ;) | 10:27 |
| RST38h | I.e. all the items at the top page should update, download counters should sync automatically, search should go directly to the app page if there is only one result (it nowshows a list of 1 entry), all screenshots should show up, etc | 10:27 |
| RST38h | Well, slow is an IT problem | 10:27 |
| RST38h | I suggest we let Nokia IT fix that, surely X-Fade nudges them about it | 10:28 |
| tekojo | Actually slow just last week became my problem | 10:28 |
| RST38h | tekojo: it is seasonal | 10:28 |
| RST38h | =) | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: tekojo meant his resposibility. | 10:29 |
| RST38h | Ah! | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the discussion is probably moot until the new servers are in place | 10:29 |
| * RST38h takes out the machine gun ;) | 10:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I, for one, aint touching midgard while it takes 5 minutes to save a page. | 10:29 |
| RST38h | GA: How are new servers (IT) related to site layout and scripting (design)? | 10:29 |
| * RST38h would just drop Midgard and go with plain PHP scripting | 10:30 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | We could have the most kickass design and setup in the world | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Will be *much* less convoluted this way :) | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it'd take another 30 years to implement a lot of those changes remotely. :P | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Not 30 years but a few months at least, yes =( | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | The problem is that we are running this on very puny hardware at the moment. | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, RST38h, you need both for a quality product. | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That poor little 770 needs to be taken out to pasture. | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is where Nokia sent all the WSoDed 770s. | 10:32 |
| RST38h | yea, but these are parallel tasks | 10:32 |
| tekojo | Anyone have an extra 800 so we could upgrade? | 10:32 |
| RST38h | extra 800 770s? | 10:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's grow a lot faster than Nokia's predictions thought it would, and it shows at every level of the product. . . . | 10:33 |
| tekojo | Hmm, that's an idea, add some more! | 10:33 |
| tekojo | 770s | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | The weird part is, it looks like with a proper strategy you *can* make an end-user product with heavy community participation | 10:34 |
| RST38h | [of course, 99% of the end users won't be part of that community, but this isn't different from fireFox] | 10:35 |
| tekojo | RST38h: care to elaborate? | 10:36 |
| RST38h | well, you have got Joe The User who has no idea what is going on and just wants his shiny new gadget to work | 10:37 |
| RST38h | Multiply by 1 million - these are the actual guys Nokia is making money from | 10:37 |
| RST38h | Then you have actually got 100-1000 folks who like hacking stuff or just power users | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Not going to make money on them, but can use them to offset development costs | 10:40 |
| RST38h | As long as they work on enough projects to choose from and you choose wisely which ones to include for unwashed masses to use | 10:41 |
| RST38h | Of course Maemo community does not have enough project on its own (not yet anyway) but there is whole Gnome and GPE to choose from =) | 10:42 |
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| tekojo | Ah, ok | 10:45 |
| RST38h | One thing Nokia hasn't yet figured out is that you can use these guys as beta testers for the system software and maybe even let them work on the system stuff | 10:45 |
| RST38h | At least, this is not evident from the community bug tracker performance | 10:45 |
| tekojo | I don't really know yet, still too new here. | 10:46 |
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| * RST38h just told timeless a few days ago that his browserd eats off huge chunks of memory when it crashes and timeless just said that it is a "system bug" and not of his concern | 10:46 | |
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| tekojo | But I do know that Nokia should be more active there | 10:46 |
| RST38h | That is *after* it has been shown that browserd does not decrease browser loading time by any significant number | 10:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, terrible example. | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least for Bugzilla participation. | 10:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering that timeless basically BUILT our Bugzilla. | 10:51 |
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| RST38h | GA: Oh, it is not the infrastructure that is a problem | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | I have given example of how a real problem with the major application is being ignored by responsible Nokia developers | 10:55 |
| tekojo | Agree, it is a bigger thing | 10:55 |
| RST38h | BTW, another Nokia developer just told me to "turn off browserd" | 10:56 |
| aquatix | you can? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Of course, this prevents web browser from working | 10:56 |
| aquatix | ah yeah, of course | 10:56 |
| RST38h | You can but the browser will not work :) | 10:56 |
| aquatix | i know | 10:56 |
| aquatix | played with it already | 10:56 |
| RST38h | The real solution is to get rid of it and put gecko back into the app | 10:57 |
| RST38h | This will fix the hangup problem, fix the memory problem (no more huge gobs of SHM used) | 10:57 |
| RST38h | And will increase browser loading time by whopping 10-20% | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | But, of course, Nokia guys won't consider it, they are absolutely proud of their browserd solution :) | 10:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, out of interest, did you ever file a bug on the issue? . . . | 10:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like the load time reduction. | 11:00 |
| RST38h | GA: Yes, but it is not significant, at least not form browserd | 11:01 |
| RST38h | Let me see if I filed a bug | 11:01 |
| RST38h | s/form/from/ | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't see one, just fyi. | 11:02 |
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| RST38h | No, does not look like I proceeded further than iTT thread | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the not freeing memory on crash one. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | There is neither | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, you get to bitch when you file a bug. ;) | 11:02 |
| RST38h | I will today, one for browserd hanging with 100% cpu, another for not freeing shm on kill | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now when's dneary waking up. . . . | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You really want to know, do you ;) | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I _know_ | 11:04 |
| jott | X-Fade: we already know :D | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The results are up. | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I want something official | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I can start ACTING on them. . . . | 11:04 |
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| X-Fade | Ah yes: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=1 | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | Duh ;) | 11:06 |
| jott | 31 abstentions :) | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I don't get that.. | 11:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | What there a "none" option? | 11:09 |
| jott | can't remember. | 11:10 |
| jott | maybe when you just pressed "next" :) | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | I think if you clicked 'vote' without selecting on of the radio boxes. | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | Yeah. | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, wonder how many of those were intentional. | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | But you still needed to confirm that. | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | It said 'You voted for xxxx, are you sure'. Or at least something like that? | 11:11 |
| jott | at least it would not make a real difference as jamie needs 34 votes :) | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | Well at least the top5 was really clear. | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | So I think that is a good thing. | 11:12 |
| jott | yeah. | 11:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles finally has something to put in the itT signature. | 11:14 | |
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| X-Fade | 'Slacker' ;) | 11:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Karma Whore" | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | #3 | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering what reserve of voters etrunko stumbled upon. | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That one took me by surprise. | 11:16 |
| zap | Anybody tried pidgin from chinook on diablo? I wonder if it has problems because of the new openssl | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll likely just pull down .97 | 11:16 |
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| jott | zap: can't you just rebuild the package? | 11:17 |
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| zap | jott: I could, but can't right now (not home) | 11:18 |
| jott | yeah etrunko made a real landslide victory :) | 11:18 |
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| jott | zap: that's why the internet zealots invented ssh :) | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those crazy internet zealots. . . . | 11:21 |
| RST38h | zap: no problems | 11:21 |
| zap | RST38h: do you use it? good | 11:22 |
| RST38h | yea | 11:23 |
| zap | jott: its kind of problematic to ssh to a non-running virtual machine on a suspended pc | 11:23 |
| RST38h | I am still unsure whether I should install collabora's version of pidgin though | 11:23 |
| RST38h | it adds 20+MB of unknown crap | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | zap: That is what wake-on-lan is for ;) | 11:23 |
| zap | X-Fade: unfortunately, its behind two firewalls :) | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Congrats. Soo close ;) | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I expected an email about that URL. | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, thanks | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I guess when dave wakes up.. | 11:25 |
| jott | Jaffa: the url is "hacked" ;) | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Congrats also to etrunk, GeneralAntilles, lardman and timsamoff | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | jott: ah :-) | 11:25 |
| nomis | moin | 11:25 |
| jott | now you can use your power to overthrow all old structures :) | 11:26 |
| jott | blame the old council for everything in a bad state as of now :) | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | jott: heh :) | 11:26 |
| zap | Is it possible at all to use ICQ with the standard Telepathy client? I have a ICQ gateway on my jabber server... | 11:28 |
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| jott | aren't those libpurple bindings supposed to do so? | 11:29 |
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| RST38h | zap: it is possibly butkinda sucks | 11:55 |
| RST38h | zap: although a few people will argue this point | 11:55 |
| RST38h | umgh | 11:56 |
| RST38h | s/possibly/possible/ | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: congrats btw | 11:56 |
| aquatix | ? | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 11:57 |
| aquatix | ah, you're in the councel? | 11:59 |
| aquatix | congrats! | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not officially | 11:59 |
| aquatix | *council | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary still has to make the results official | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they're up at the same place you voted. | 11:59 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 11:59 |
| jott | now we need flashy charts zooming around and using other pointless effects :) | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "WAR ON TERROR 2008" | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just for good measure. | 12:03 |
| RST38h | s/ON/OF/ | 12:03 |
| jott | s/OF/FOR/ :P | 12:04 |
| * jott hides | 12:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | They all amount to the same thing. | 12:05 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:06 |
| Khertan | does maemo.org is down ? | 12:09 |
| aquatix | language parse error ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | works here though | 12:09 |
| jott | works here too | 12:10 |
| jott | or should i say "works" here too :) | 12:10 |
| jott | hm now it seems dead | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla, Garage, and maemo.org loaded | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki and Planet are not. | 12:11 |
| jott | it's just the usual "works" | 12:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... maybe a local akaima cache problem | 12:12 |
| jott | if you hit the right apache thread and the right akaima mirror it works :) | 12:12 |
| * aquatix looks at the moon | 12:13 | |
| aquatix | and the sun | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | No, the server is a bit overloaded at the moment as we are creating a db dump for testing purposes. | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | *bit more than it already is ;) | 12:13 |
| jott | don't make the 770 explode in their last minutes :P | 12:14 |
| jott | X-Fade: good to have you back. finally we are back in the loop and get to know what happens :) | 12:16 |
| jott | oh and we decided that you will get no vacations in the next year :) | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | Hehe ;) | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're docking your pay, too. | 12:17 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: do you write the dump by using wifi from the 770 Server or do you use an sdcard ? | 12:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: mmc, it doesn't have sd support. | 12:17 |
| Khertan | lol ... have forgotten :) | 12:17 |
| Khertan | (104) Connection reset by peer | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn that Peer! | 12:18 |
| Khertan | yep again | 12:18 |
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| Khertan | oh the result of the council vote | 12:19 |
| Khertan | ! | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ¡ | 12:19 |
| Khertan | etrunko ? hum ... don't know it ... | 12:19 |
| jott | it? is etrunko a bot? :D | 12:20 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: 3rd, not so bad | 12:20 |
| Khertan | jott: maybe i don't know :) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Well, be sure to check that out at the summit ;) | 12:21 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: gz | 12:21 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: :=) | 12:21 |
| jott | we need a sharp stick to test it. | 12:21 |
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| * GeneralAntilles whittles a few more. | 12:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The cattle prods are a nice upgrade, though, for only $39.99. | 12:23 |
| * Jaffa twiddles his thumbs for /news/ | 12:23 | |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: when are the new servers going to go online? | 12:23 |
| Khertan | Eduardo Lima work for indt on Canola ... | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: When ready ;) | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, all of Brazil voted for him. ;) | 12:24 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: But that is not my call. | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: How far from "ready" would you say they were? ;-) | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 12:25 |
| Khertan | but council is 5 members, isn't it ? | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Yep, the voting software doesn't know that. | 12:26 |
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| Jaffa | According to the provisional results, the council is etrunko, Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, lardman, timsamoff (in alphabetical order) | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we demand status updates every 30 seconds. :P | 12:26 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, current status: dead ;) | 12:26 |
| jott | Jaffa: the server logs probably know :) | 12:26 |
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| * Khertan don't understand why everyone want to use h264 on a mobile device | 12:40 | |
| Khertan | this is stupid ... | 12:40 |
| jott | why? if there is dedicated hardware for it? | 12:40 |
| Khertan | it s ask more power to be decoded so drain battery | 12:40 |
| Khertan | jott: only some ipod have dedicated hardware for it | 12:41 |
| jott | yeah well that's another story :) | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's smaller and higher quality. | 12:41 |
| tank-man | it uses less space than other codecs | 12:41 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: smaller ... not really | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better compression | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | So smaller files for the same quality. | 12:41 |
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| Khertan | better quality ... hum ... on small screen not very usefull i think | 12:41 |
| tank-man | psp has dedicated hardware for it | 12:41 |
| jott | better quality with lower bitrates :) | 12:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The IVA can handle h.264 decoding just fine. | 12:42 |
| Khertan | IVA ? | 12:42 |
| jott | s/can/could/ | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the HARDWARE can handle it | 12:42 |
| jott | yeah. | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, the hardware video decoder | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | We just need software. <_< | 12:42 |
| Khertan | oh ... | 12:42 |
| Khertan | there is hardware decoding for h264 in n810 ? | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The goal is less to be get h.264 support than to not have to worry about transcoding stuff, though. | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll handle 640x480 h.264 without issue. | 12:43 |
| jott | Khertan: a general purpose extra arm core with multimedia extensions. | 12:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's also hardware for 3D acceleration and audio decoding. ;) | 12:43 |
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| Khertan | don't know that n8x0 have hardware video decoding ... | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=222958&postcount=4 | 12:44 |
| jott | well omap2420 is a nice soc... | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, the OMAPs have lots of wonderful little toys . . . | 12:44 |
| Khertan | is it used for something at this time | 12:44 |
| Khertan | ? | 12:44 |
| jott | IF it would be usable :/ | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | unfortunately they're incredibly underutilized on Linux | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | mostly because TI and Imagination Tech are being assholes about it. | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, no, nothing at all. | 12:45 |
| jott | Khertan: on symbian devices.. | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only the primary ARM11 core and the DSP are used. | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Symbian devices. . . . | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3d on an N93 is something to behold, though. | 12:45 |
| Khertan | someone have already try to do reverse to see how it s work ? | 12:46 |
| jott | maybe ti will one day release the tech ref for the omap2420... :) | 12:46 |
| RST38h | Khertan: n8x0 does not have hw video decoding | 12:46 |
| Khertan | RST38h: the cpu seems to have :) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Khertan: it has got a second ARM CPU (ARM7?) that can take some of the decoding tasks off the main ARM | 12:47 |
| RST38h | But not dedicated video decoding hw, as far as I know | 12:47 |
| jott | RST38h: plus it seems to have some multimedia extensions... | 12:47 |
| jott | afair atleast. | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's a core that does video decoding. | 12:47 |
| jott | well it's still general purpose mainly | 12:48 |
| jott | not dedicated | 12:48 |
| jott | but it would allow a nice boost in video decoding for sure. | 12:48 |
| RST38h | may have got some kind of hw vlc decoder | 12:49 |
| jott | it's a real pity that ti does not open up the old specs. :( | 12:51 |
| jott | i still believe nokia could convince them to do so (if there are no serious ip conflicts in the old specs). | 12:52 |
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| mavhc | seems that the built in media player plays h264 better than mplayer, but mplayer's better at playing everything else | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, mplayer's h.264 playback is a bit broken | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a gstreamer h264 thing isnt there? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | that uses a chip in the nokia | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | think i ran into that, atleast | 13:02 |
| jott | Stskeeps: does it really use an extra chip? | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way. | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a chance in hell. | 13:05 |
| jott | its probably just heavily arm optimized. | 13:05 |
| jott | you refer to that hantro codec, right? | 13:05 |
| jott | http://www.on2.com/index.php?137 <- that seems to be the one used | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:09 |
| ccooke | q | 13:09 |
| jott | http://www.on2.com/index.php?140 and this one | 13:09 |
| jott | as encoder | 13:09 |
| ccooke | bah. Vim is -> that window, not here. | 13:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, dneary announced | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 days until it's actually official, though. | 13:11 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman, and 'grats. :) | 13:12 |
| liri | when setting up gmail imap inbox with the default email client, does it download all emails to the device or... what? | 13:12 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: thanks and you too | 13:12 |
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| liri | imap should always get mails from the server though it should download some of it for offline browsing, are there settings for that? | 13:15 |
| liri | my gmail account is over 1gb big and I don't expect the email client to download all of it to the tablet | 13:15 |
| _berto_ | e-mails that you read (open) are cached in the tablet | 13:16 |
| _berto_ | e-mails that you don't read are not downloaded | 13:16 |
| _berto_ | liri: to download some of them for offline browsing, select them and then 'retrieve contents' in the menu | 13:18 |
| liri | ahh ok | 13:18 |
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| hanno | Hi. | 13:44 |
| hanno | What is the current maximum video playback resolution for video files on N810? It used to be lower than 800x480 for technical reasons, but I recently read claims that this was resolved. | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the bitrate. | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and framerate | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not really a hard resolution limit | 13:46 |
| hanno | Yes, but 800x480@30fps is still not possible, is it? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Practically speaking, you wont get more than ~500x300 (expand either dimension to suite) from a normal XviD encoding. | 13:47 |
| hanno | Then all I can do is keep hoping for the next hardware version of the IT. | 13:48 |
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| hanno | playback of DVD rips at native resolution is still my holy grail for the IT. | 13:49 |
| * hanno would love to know rumours about the next hardware revision. are there any? | 13:51 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | DVDs are lower resolution than 800x480 | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look into the TI OMAP3430 | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it solves almost all of our video playback issues. | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3530 in the Beagle Board and the Pandora (which is _almost_ the same as the OMAP3430, just missing a few interfaces) is already playing 720p | 13:54 |
| hanno | DVDs are more than 500x300. | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but they're not 800x480 | 13:55 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: speaking of. played some 720p h264 stuff? :) | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, not yet. | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was gonna download Big Buck Bunny to try, but then my cable went out. :\ | 13:56 |
| jott | shiny new omap covered with dust already? :P | 13:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not even booting at this point. | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just flashed a new MLO and u-boot image to NAND and it's bricked. | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Recovery isn't going so well. :\ | 13:58 |
| jott | :( | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instructions straight from koen | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine what went wrong. | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, lardman: congrats guys | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank you, sir! | 14:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | grocery shopping time == offline time | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | bbiab | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi again | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | how can i relaunch browserd after a kill -9 | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | (without restart) | 14:08 |
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| jott | Khertan_n810: as root /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon start or restart | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 14:11 |
| lardman | crashanddie: thanks | 14:13 |
| lardman | crashanddie: did you see the F1 in-gear figures I posted yesterday? | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | hmm? | 14:13 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I don't think I have, what about? | 14:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/IMGP1000.JPG | 14:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie: just to marvel at mainly | 14:15 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, what car is that? | 14:16 |
| lardman | McLaren F1 | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Those units are useless ;) | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | lardman, 0-10 in 3.2s | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | err, 0-60 | 14:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Just multiply by 1.609344 ;) | 14:17 |
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| lardman | 150-170 in 3.5s! | 14:18 |
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| lardman | sorry, am going off topic again, come on X-Fade where;s the hw hints we wanted? ;) | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, backup restored. Testing in progress ;) | 14:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | DM6446 codecs | 14:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups ww | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP2BGsY4BM <- woo | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:31 |
| aquatix | !@ | 14:32 |
| povbot | aquatix: Error: "@" is not a valid command. | 14:32 |
| aquatix | meh | 14:32 |
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| * aquatix is getting used to a bot that fetches the title of a link that way | 14:33 | |
| * RST38h 's car accelerates to 60mph in 20 seconds and is proud of it! | 14:33 | |
| aquatix | :) | 14:33 |
| aquatix | mine in a similar time | 14:33 |
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| aquatix | might be a tad faster | 14:33 |
| aquatix | depends on my mood | 14:33 |
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| lcuk | congrat to the maemo community council members (the ones i know anyway) | 14:35 |
| lardman | thanks lcuk | 14:37 |
| timelyx | regrets for not voting :( | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | timelelyx i thought nokians were excluded? or was i thinking of something else | 14:38 |
| lardman | timelyx: does that mean you didn't like the outcome? ;) | 14:38 |
| timelyx | lcuk: as far as i can tell i was eligible to vote | 14:39 |
| lcuk | my vote did not effect the final outcome but it was important all the same :) | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: Would your one vote have made another outcome? | 14:39 |
| timelyx | lardman: no, just distracted by things and failed to cast a vote | 14:39 |
| lcuk | x-fade, did you vote? | 14:39 |
| timelyx | X-Fade: it's more that i'm an American, and I believe in voting | 14:39 |
| lardman | dneary: what was the voter turn-out? | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, I did. | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | cool | 14:40 |
| dneary | Just under 1000 of just under 13000 in the electorate | 14:40 |
| timelyx | X-Fade: btw, the topic should be changed :) | 14:40 |
| dneary | So, about 7% | 14:40 |
| dneary | Actually, there were some disabled accounts which should have been filtered out, so closer to 11000 voters - give or take 9% turnout | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, Jaffa, any thoughts on a signature? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | thats low by real election standards, but we dont know how many of the eligable are actually active | 14:41 |
| jott | its average by election standards i would say. | 14:41 |
| dneary | That said, I'd be interested in seeing the average, median and stddev of the karma of people who didn't vote - I suspect it'd be close to 3 | 14:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, "nerrr nerrr - PHEAR ME - I ARE YOUR GOD | 14:41 |
| dneary | There are 9000 people who had a karma under 5 | 14:42 |
| lcuk | dneary, you cannot do that :) | 14:42 |
| dneary | Grats GeneralAntilles, lardman, Jaffa | 14:42 |
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| lardman | dneary: yes, it would be interesting indeed | 14:42 |
| lcuk | unless you can extract stats from other backchannels (ie those who have an unused ticket) | 14:42 |
| dr-jnut | hi! | 14:42 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: no idea | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 14:42 |
| dneary | lcuk: I can get a list of people who did & didn't vote, but I can't know how they voted | 14:43 |
| dr-jnut | just lost busybox after an apt dist-upgrade!!! | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ryan Abel | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org Community Council member | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is what I'm thinking | 14:43 |
| lardman | lcuk: well look at those who did vote, assuming that's recorded, even if their votes aren't, etc. | 14:43 |
| dneary | Obviously, as people voted, we checked them off the elector list (similar to real-life elections) | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the whole Maemo/maemo.org nonsense makes that less obvious. | 14:43 |
| lcuk | dneary - i just realised that myself, go for it then , make a whole election night presentation with graphs and stuff | 14:43 |
| lcuk | can you find out WHEN people voted? | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, who told you to apt-get dist-upgrade? | 14:43 |
| dneary | lcuk: No, we don't record that | 14:43 |
| jott | at least it's about twice the number of votes originally considered :) | 14:43 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, myself | 14:43 |
| dneary | I was keeping count | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That can easily drop you into a repo loop with the wrong repositories. | 14:43 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, and nobody told me NOT to dist-upgrade | 14:44 |
| dneary | I know that there were over 800 who had voted by Monday morning | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | keeping count? you were watching the election process? | 14:44 |
| lardman | Peter Snow, bring it on | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, well, I'll tell you now. Don't dist-upgrade. ;) | 14:44 |
| dneary | Only of the "how many have counted" tally | 14:44 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, thanks a lot | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You may be able to fix it with some ninja skills and usbnet | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | A reflash is probably in order, though. | 14:45 |
| dr-jnut | I'll reflash | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, always, always, always check to see what's being installed and remove with stuff like that. | 14:45 |
| dr-jnut | yup | 14:45 |
| dr-jnut | the upgrade involved coreutils... | 14:45 |
| andrewfblack | Hey | 14:45 |
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| dr-jnut | and I said yes, like I'm used to do on my debian | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, out of interest, what repositories did you have installed? | 14:46 |
| dr-jnut | dunno, diablo ones | 14:46 |
| jott | the sdk repository probably | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It shouldn't have been a problem except for a couple of repositories, like the SDK repo (which should NEVER be used on-device), that have stuff that'll kill Maemo. | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, andrewfblack. | 14:47 |
| dr-jnut | ok | 14:47 |
| jott | (as coreutils very much looks like that) | 14:47 |
| dr-jnut | yeah | 14:47 |
| dr-jnut | I think I trusted gronmayer site too much | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, unfortunately, there are a couple of .installs in the wild that'll add the SDK repo. | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, gronmayer is concentrated evil. | 14:48 |
| dr-jnut | and very likely installed the sdk repo | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only use it in small doses. | 14:48 |
| jott | you only need to add the sdk to install gcc and stuff. then remove it immediately. | 14:48 |
| lcuk | does etrunko come into the maemo chan? | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much everything you need is in Extras/Extras-devel. | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, fairly often. | 14:48 |
| * lcuk cant ever remember seeing him | 14:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't talk much, though. | 14:48 |
| jott | ~seen etrunko | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | no idea who heis | 14:48 |
| infobot | etrunko <n=edulima@200.184.118.132> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 14h 33m 10s ago, saying: ':P'. | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's usually in #canola | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have some ideas about council member's participation levels and where, though. ;) | 14:48 |
| dr-jnut | I believe I did this mistake while trying to get telepathy-haze, which works fine now | 14:48 |
| dr-jnut | s/works/worked/ | 14:49 |
| infobot | dr-jnut meant: I believe I did this mistake while trying to get telepathy-haze, which worked fine now | 14:49 |
| lcuk | damn, in linux i would do something like "grep etrunko bigirclog.txt" damn windows | 14:49 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles already sharpened your stick and charged your cattle prod? | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | dr-jnut, your first sentence was correct, actually | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | dr-jnut, not the correction :D | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | testtesttest | 14:50 |
| dr-jnut | yup, but I wanted to say that now it doesn't work well cause everything break with disappearing of busybox | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | s/test/test/g | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, ready to go! | 14:50 |
| dr-jnut | anyway | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | ~cookie | 14:50 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... | 14:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, coreutils is actually one of the only major packages that'll cause problems | 14:50 |
| dr-jnut | wayfinder navigator is the only app working now, and is the only one I need for my trip in Paris | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it may be less of an issue in the future if some important changes take place. | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | stesttest | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | s/stest/tests/g | 14:51 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: teststest | 14:51 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, I should have seen it coming | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, it's OK, now you know. ;) | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're much better equipped to understand and watch out for it in the future than if somebody had just warned you off. :D | 14:52 |
| dr-jnut | running sid debians made me confident... but maemo is another piece of software | 14:52 |
| dr-jnut | yup | 14:52 |
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| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, thanks a lot for your help | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | dr-jnut: there's also deblet for tablets if you get bored ;) | 14:52 |
| dr-jnut | deblet? | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be warned the .install for Deblet adds the SDK repo. :P | 14:53 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, I'll stick to safe packages | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 14:53 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, since the voting tallies are in are you gonna be pulling rank on lardman and stuff :D | 14:53 |
| dr-jnut | and include a sed script to remove the sdk repo automagically ;) | 14:53 |
| dr-jnut | Stskeeps, thx | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'd more than love to avoid that, but someone seems to think binutils and other "good" packages doesn't belong on a tablet easily :P | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, make a case to get them in /tools? | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just take care of it yourself and upload to Extras. | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it's in my todo to move most packages into extras, yeah | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Great! :) | 14:55 |
| dr-jnut | Is there any way to change the internal SD on the 810? Anyone tried? | 14:55 |
| timelyx | lcuk: find "string" file | 14:55 |
| timelyx | on windows | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, short answer: no long answer: with a lot of pain and suffering. | 14:55 |
| dr-jnut | is it soldered? | 14:56 |
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| crashanddie | oh wow | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: just need to get more into the packaging standards - changing to more standard stuff for deblet as well as we're moving to have a apt repos for deblet packages (like, non-maemo ones) | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, yeah. | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | there are some linkedin connection whores | 14:56 |
| lcuk | timelyx i already copied the log to my nit and ran grep and am looking at the results - windows feels clutzy for more and more stuff now | 14:56 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 14:56 | |
| timelyx | windows works, you just need to learn to use "help" | 14:56 |
| dr-jnut | GeneralAntilles, ok, thx | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyways, Stskeeps, I shouldn't give you too much grief. Some damn impressive work so far. :) | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | I just went from a network of 30k to a network of 900k after accepting this one guy | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, basically, you'd have to source an equivalent chip | 14:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | which isn't super hard, but I don't think they sell them individually | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm - most tricks wouldn't be possible without the work of maemo people really | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | then find the chip in the N810, desolder it and solder the new one on | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you have better skills than a ninja or real equipment. . . . | 14:57 |
| dr-jnut | I don't have real skills for this | 14:58 |
| dr-jnut | but I wanted more memory for maemo mapper cache | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | dr-jnut, yeah, the N810 is really memory-crippled. | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either wait for some reasonably sized MicroSD cards | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | dr-jnut: Why don't you just buy a 32gb card for the external slot? | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | or maybe install Roadmap and try the vector maps. | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 32GB MicroSDs are available? | 14:59 |
| andrewfblack | You know I'm surprised we havn't heard of anyone replacing the internal memory card | 14:59 |
| andrewfblack | I guess N810 users are to scared to open it up and play | 14:59 |
| dr-jnut | didn't know there was 32GB cards | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | i really prefer the n800 way of having int and ext card ports | 14:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles is not surprised. ;) | 14:59 | |
| Stskeeps | even though a std 2g card inside is nice | 14:59 |
| glass | andrewfblack: if it talks sd, it shouldn't be that super hard? comparable to some more hardcore modchips or so.. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3, apparently, can handle 3 card slots. | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So it wouldn't be out of the question for Nokia to bundle a 2GB-4GB soldered-on, with two more slots available for real cards. | 15:00 |
| andrewfblack | glasss yeah I'm sure its possible to do it but I only have one tablet and can't aford a new one when/if I blow it up | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | heh, N900 wishlist ;) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | i should get a 770 from somewhere | 15:01 |
| glass | i should get some more modern sw on my 770.. | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | hm. odd question - is there a 770 emu like there's one for n800? | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "The big picture appears to be that you are inventing technical details to explain your subjective experience with POP and IMAP." | 15:02 |
| melmoth | Stskeeps: scratchbox ? | 15:03 |
| andrewfblack | dr-jnut btw Craves1 is working on an adaptor/new batt cover to allow 2 full sized SD cards to be used on n810 | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha. Thank you, Mr. Voipio | 15:03 |
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| melmoth | Stskeeps: i think you can have a scratchbox with os2006 | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | melmoth: yeah, but i intend to implement a debian installer + run it on a emulator to check if it works.. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | and SB just isn't enough for that | 15:03 |
| melmoth | But it s not an emulator, you will not have access to low level thingy such as hardware emulation | 15:03 |
| melmoth | testing packaging should work ok. | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lardman, think I can close: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council | 15:04 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles do we know who won yet? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, yes, etrunko,jaffa,gen,lardman,tim - you can catch etrunko on #canola i believe later on :) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | the rest are knocking around between here and itt | 15:05 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yep | 15:06 |
| andrewfblack | cool I know everyone but etrunko | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-September/000869.html | 15:06 |
| andrewfblack | So basicly everyone but 1 person got selected | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 people | 15:07 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, you are not the first to mention this :) | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, going to get my SS# today | 15:07 |
| andrewfblack | I can't beleave only 926 people out of 12000 voted | 15:07 |
| lcuk | NI# | 15:07 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, same | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | andrewfblack, it's actually pretty good | 15:08 |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Provisional results are in! maemo.org Community Council: etrunko, Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, lardman, timsamoff http://tinyurl.com/5ps6hg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/" | 15:08 | |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, thats actually understandable - its a list of members many of whom are no longer active | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I was expecting something in the 200 range. | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: regarding linkedin whore, http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=13547072&trk=tab_pro | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, that you? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: aye | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, can't see it, hidden profile | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | lol | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | oh well | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.linkedin.com/in/carstenmunk ? | 15:09 |
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| crashanddie | better :) | 15:10 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: hmm...Munk name, you know where it's from? (I'm sort of into genealogy in periods, and have an ancestor way back in 16-something with name Ludvig Munk, I think he was from Denmark yes) | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lardman, any objection to listing alphabetically by last name for the wiki? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | Veggen: sweden-like, but my dad was adopted so it isn't a bloodline thing :P | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | hahaha GeneralAntilles glory seeking already :P | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, rather than by votes? I agree 100% | 15:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The votes actually went alphabetically by nick. . . . | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, well, no. | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | thought about switching to AntillesGeneral there for a sec | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure, actually. | 15:13 |
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| * GeneralAntilles only alphabetized books for 3 years. . . . | 15:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, crashanddie's opinion is good enough. | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a wiki, change it if you object. | 15:14 |
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| Veggen | StSkeeps: I'm not that concerned about bloodlines. History-bit is more interesting ;) | 15:16 |
| Veggen | and bloodlines are just a part of it, but really I'm not that concerned that there will probably be a lot of lies in family relationships etc. back in the old days (wrong father) | 15:18 |
| andrewfblack | is it just me or did the number of apps on maemo.org go down? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. "in the old days".. trust me, that stuff still happens :> | 15:18 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: sure. | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | morning, etrunko. :) | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and 'grats. | 15:31 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: hey dude... you too | 15:33 |
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| etrunko | and to the others | 15:33 |
| mikkov_ | andrewfblack: no, number of apps went up | 15:33 |
| jott | now that the council is joined, first actions are due :D | 15:34 |
| * jott scratches his belly | 15:34 | |
| * GeneralAntilles cattle-prods jott. | 15:34 | |
| etrunko | wow... 200 votes! | 15:34 |
| * etrunko didn't expect it at all | 15:34 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Submit to my will! | 15:35 |
| jott | etrunko: where did you advertise? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | etrunko, it's all those INdT friends you've got down there. :P | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | etrunko, who'd you pay? What features in canola did you promise? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Billboards on the side of the road in Brazil, I bet. | 15:35 |
| etrunko | GeneralAntilles: i thought it was only 6 votes | 15:35 |
| etrunko | :P | 15:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Early access to Canola alphas, I bet. . . . :D | 15:36 |
| jott | i still bet it's subliminal messages in canola :D | 15:36 |
| etrunko | hehe | 15:36 |
| etrunko | :) | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | I'm still surprised GA had more than one vote... His own | 15:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles voted for lardman. | 15:36 | |
| crashanddie | who the hell votes for a 20yo beard-faced guy | 15:36 |
| etrunko | crashanddie: i voted for him | 15:36 |
| etrunko | :) | 15:36 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: there are IT students that don't have a beard and aren't 20yo? | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | I just held tab for 30s and then pressed enter, dunno who I voted for | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, I don't | 15:37 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: ;) | 15:38 |
| * aquatix has neither | 15:38 | |
| aquatix | well, i have a goatee... i'm 26 though :P | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I did the long hair, and I'm doing the beard. | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | I've had the very long hair (middle of the back), I've had the beard, I've had the goatee | 15:38 |
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| crashanddie | job interviews just work a helluva lot better when you smell and look good :P | 15:39 |
| * Jaffa eughs after an enormous lunch meeting: steak & kidney pie, with chips, with bubble & squeak, with spinach, with a cumberland sausage on the side. | 15:39 | |
| jott | celebrating your victory already jaffa? :) | 15:39 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:40 |
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| Jaffa | joitt: if I die in office does baloo get roped in? ;-) | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I'll second you | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, we're reviving your corpse and keeping Zombie-Jaffa in office. | 15:43 |
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| riot | re | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: braaaaains | 15:50 |
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| andrewfblack | for some reason on maemo.org I had OS2008 selected but it kept giving me the 2007 list when I clicked on a tag | 15:59 |
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| trenka | "Greg S." from maemo-developers here? | 16:05 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:11 |
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| sp3000 | on-topic time! how do I bind a key combo to 'grep with argument (the command line in this case) in emacs? | 16:30 |
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| * sp3000 doesn't understand the syntax and tries random stuff like (global-set-key [(control x) t] [grep "fgrep -Hn '[todo' ~/notes.txt | sort -k2 | tee"]) | 16:31 | |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, on -community with a [Council] flag? | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, GET OUT OF MY LAWN | 16:32 |
| trenka | sp3000: call-process not ok for you? | 16:33 |
| sp3000 | trenka: I do need grep-mode in the result buffer | 16:34 |
| sp3000 | (or, occur would be better what with losing the filename, but getting those sorted is problematic since occur loses track there) | 16:34 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, what are you whining about now? | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, nothing, it was just a joke | 16:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Witness the awesome stability of Colloquy! <_< | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I always have to stop myself from just /join #colloquy "When are you guys gonna make a client that DOESN'T suck? /part | 16:38 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: run irssi? :) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, don't have the patience for it. | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sad thing is, with as much as Colloquy does suck, it's worlds better than everything else. | 16:40 |
| aquatix | patience? for irssi? | 16:41 |
| aquatix | it doesn't get in my way at least | 16:41 |
| aquatix | but maybe it needs a bit of getting used to | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | [14:41] * Now talking on #colloquy | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | [14:41] (crashanddie) "When are you guys gonna make a client that DOESN'T suck? | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | [14:41] * You have left channel #colloquy ("Leaving") | 16:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, well, I like having lots of windows | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | irssi doesn't let me do that so easily | 16:43 |
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| * aquatix has a lot of windows inside irssi | 16:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | irssi isn't bad, it's just a variety of small things that make it inappropriate for my setup. | 16:44 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: lol | 16:44 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fair enough | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Colloquy isn't really bad, either. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just has a couple stupidly reproducible crasher bugs that they can't seem to fix. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or don't care enough to fix | 16:44 |
| snowmoon-work | I just wish they would release a new version already | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen | 16:44 |
| snowmoon-work | most of the bugs I've found are fixed according to trac | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'll see if I can get the svn going. | 16:45 |
| snowmoon-work | the scrolling one is the most annoying and it's been fixed for like 4 months | 16:45 |
| * jott hugs irssi | 16:45 | |
| snowmoon-work | I though I was lazy when it comes to builds ;-) | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the "hey, a new PM tab opened, now this window will never redraw again!" bug | 16:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just, fyi, snowmoon-work, your email to the Active X thread only went to me. | 16:48 |
| snowmoon-work | Doh | 16:48 |
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| * brontide runs off to snark the list | 16:48 | |
| brontide | damn... oportunity lost | 16:49 |
| brontide | GeneralAntilles: the /reload style doesn't fix it for ya? | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, nope, never has. | 16:50 |
| brontide | Of course that's another big annoyance... ever since Safari 3 ( and the webkit update ) I've had to do the occasional /reload style on startup | 16:51 |
| trenka | sp3000: do not see any problem | 16:51 |
| sp3000 | trenka: assuming the necessary knowledge, I'm sure there is none :) | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | anyhow, http://xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/xemacs-faq_4.html#SEC125 saved me | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | (global-set-key [(control x) t] (lambda () (interactive) (grep "fgrep -Hn '[todo' ~/notes.txt | LANG=C sort -k2 | tee") does my evil bidding | 16:52 |
| trenka | ok | 16:53 |
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| sp3000 | now if I could get the same result without filename/lineno annotations but preserving the navigability to those locations, that'd rock some more | 17:02 |
| * sp3000 decides this is good enough and leaves that part for another time | 17:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ohptoftimemeasured13sepjy2.png | 17:02 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: hm, what's that? | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screenshot from the LHC | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a clue what any of that means, though. | 17:03 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 17:04 |
| Mek | at lesat they are running kwin :P | 17:04 |
| aquatix | that's positive? ;) | 17:04 |
| * sp3000 doesn't like that wm theme :) | 17:04 | |
| Mek | sure :P http://dot.kde.org/1221087118/ | 17:04 |
| * sp3000 thinks he sees a slight usability problem in the lower right side frame :) | 17:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | "OFF THE CHARTS!" | 17:05 |
| aquatix | Mek: heh :) | 17:05 |
| jott | keramik was the uttermost biggest design failure in kde history :P | 17:07 |
| * aquatix thinks kde generally is quite ugly | 17:07 | |
| jott | nah | 17:07 |
| aquatix | but that's just my opinion :) | 17:07 |
| jott | it depends on the theme you use | 17:07 |
| jott | there are plenty ugly gtk themes :) | 17:07 |
| * aquatix likes xfce4 with a nice clean gtk theme best | 17:07 | |
| aquatix | jott: sure are | 17:07 |
| jott | so this argument is just pathetic. | 17:08 |
| * jott likes qtcurve :) | 17:08 | |
| aquatix | ah yeah, that clearlooks lookalike | 17:09 |
| aquatix | that's the best kde theme i know indeed | 17:09 |
| jott | i like it much more than clearlooks :) | 17:10 |
| aquatix | i like this clearlooks variant: http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/linux/20080801_river.png.html | 17:10 |
| * jott likes light/bright themes. they are more positive :) | 17:11 | |
| aquatix | yeah, i used those for years, but when i came across this one, i rather liked it | 17:12 |
| aquatix | and it's nice on my eyes at night ;) | 17:12 |
| jott | yeah good for you :) | 17:12 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 17:12 |
| aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/linux/20080218_galadriel_showcase.png.html <- light ;) | 17:13 |
| inz | I liked my gnome theme, but I lost it in a hdd crash: http://inz.fi/gnome-inz.png | 17:14 |
| aquatix | inz: created yourself? | 17:14 |
| aquatix | looks nice indeed | 17:14 |
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| inz | aquatix, modified from high contrast | 17:15 |
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| inz | aquatix, it actually had even a slightly modified theme engine to use colors a bit differently | 17:16 |
| ccooke | I used to use a very... particular type of theme in WindowMaker. Black screen, round fairly-large analogue clock in the bottom left. | 17:17 |
| aquatix | inz: in the future, remember to backup to the nets ;) | 17:17 |
| ccooke | Minimalism is fun :-) | 17:17 |
| aquatix | ccooke: :) | 17:17 |
| aquatix | ccooke: sounds like the default minix setup | 17:17 |
| inz | aquatix, yeah, gots to do that | 17:17 |
| ccooke | (oh, yes. No panels, icons or other stuff. Just a black screen and a clock.) | 17:17 |
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| inz | aquatix, hmm, the theme engine version I had backed up actually compiles... :o | 17:18 |
| aquatix | \o/ | 17:19 |
| mavhc | what you need in a window border is something that's not distracting, shows current window well and isn't ugly | 17:20 |
| ccooke | Ah, yes: http://earth.gkhs.net/ccooke/snapshot4.png :-) | 17:20 |
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| inz | ccooke, you're supposed to use xdaliclock! | 17:20 |
| ccooke | inz: that's a *very* old screenshot. I ended up using something much nicer | 17:21 |
| ccooke | ... I really have to reimplement that on gnome. | 17:21 |
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| inz | Damn, I have no old 'nuff screenshots | 17:25 |
| inz | I have some shots before I started using gnome, but they still have lots'n'lots of stuff in fvwm | 17:25 |
| jott | http://outpo.st/desktop.png "where kicker meets kwin4" :) | 17:26 |
| inz | http://inz.fi/fvwm-shot-new.jpg | 17:26 |
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| * aquatix likes the window borders of this setup: http://aquariusoft.org/gallery/v/screenies/linux/20080218_galadriel_showcase.png.html | 17:27 | |
| inz | aqua, those look almost like the ones I had in my first fvwm setup | 17:28 |
| inz | aqua, except for the titlebar -- why is there a titlebar | 17:28 |
| aquatix | this is xfwm4 though | 17:28 |
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| jott | fvwm.. thats a long time ago indeed :) | 17:29 |
| inz | jott, not that far ;) | 17:29 |
| aquatix | inz: well, helps me find the right window in a sea of windows ;) | 17:29 |
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| jott | well 10 years? :) | 17:29 |
| inz | aqua, I use virtual desktops | 17:29 |
| aquatix | inz: me too | 17:29 |
| brontide | Someone really need to take Active-X out behind the barn and put it out of it's misery. | 17:29 |
| inz | jott, I still used fvwm at work about a year ago | 17:30 |
| aquatix | i like a sleek title bar though | 17:30 |
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| jott | ah. old habits, eh? :) | 17:30 |
| aquatix | besides, not sure whether xfwm4 can omit it | 17:30 |
| aquatix | can try | 17:30 |
| aquatix | jott: yeah :) | 17:30 |
| ccooke | inz: heh. These days I use five... With Compiz set to display a transparent cube. Five's the largest number of faces you can have and still see every desktop at once from the other side :-) | 17:30 |
| inz | jott, som'n like that | 17:31 |
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| mavhc | the titlebar is to show the title of the window, in that screenshot half the windows repeat the titlebar for no reason | 17:31 |
| aquatix | ccooke: i tried the cube once on my home tft, but decided it was too much | 17:31 |
| aquatix | might have to do with it being a 30" | 17:31 |
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| aquatix | the woosh was too much for me ;) | 17:31 |
| aquatix | mavhc: repeat? | 17:32 |
| inz | jott, I did use gnome though, just no gnome-panel and fvwm instead of enli^Wsawfi^H^Hmi^Wmetacity | 17:32 |
| aquatix | mavhc: not sure i follow | 17:32 |
| ccooke | heh. I've tried it on a 30". Possibly I have it set to move faster than you had, though - doesn't really bother me. | 17:32 |
| aquatix | ccooke: might try it again :) | 17:33 |
| ccooke | I actually find the cube helps usability - it gives me spacial awareness of my desktop in a much realer sense than before. | 17:33 |
| inz | I get dizzy, if I use "inside" desktop cube | 17:33 |
| inz | Shame, since I'd like that otherwise better | 17:33 |
| ccooke | inz: I don't like that | 17:33 |
| jott | i prefer the "zoom out"-paradigm :) | 17:34 |
| aquatix | ccooke: myeah, the sliding is ok for me too | 17:34 |
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| jott | ah that reminds me. it's power** ranting time! :) | 17:35 |
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| mavhc | aquatix: seems like the window title said "blah config manager", then the top of the window contents sai d"blah config manager" as well | 17:46 |
| mavhc | wasting space | 17:46 |
| mavhc | where's my ZUI anyway? | 17:46 |
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| aquatix | mavhc: oh, the taskbar at the top of the screen you mean? | 17:47 |
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| mavhc | no, the window title bars | 17:53 |
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| Knowledge | Did you guys hear about the new tablet!? | 18:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, Summit is on the 19th. | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | and trust me, you will know when any information drops. ;) | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just keep watching Engadget. | 18:02 |
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| Knowledge | damn it....you had to be in here huh? I was trying to see if anyone heard | 18:02 |
| Knowledge | haha yeah | 18:02 |
| Knowledge | I'm just having a tough time not picking up a new touch | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | That htc touch hd has a familiar screen resolution btw ;) | 18:02 |
| jott | will it blend? | 18:02 |
| Knowledge | oh no....not that touch...sorry | 18:02 |
| Knowledge | ipod | 18:02 |
| Knowledge | and yes, I think it does | 18:03 |
| Knowledge | blend | 18:03 |
| jott | yeah good to see more manufactures using sane display resolutions not this 160x120 pixel crap. | 18:03 |
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| Knowledge | I just want another gadget that I'm not going to use... | 18:04 |
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| jott | the toy brings a geek joy ... for 5 minute :) | 18:05 |
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| Knowledge | if that | 18:06 |
| jott | ~rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wait for UPS is always the best part. . . . | 18:06 |
| jott | ~rotate is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Brown santa? :) | 18:06 |
| Knowledge | I don't remember the last time I used my treo, blackberry, or 770 for anything useful.... | 18:06 |
| jott | grrr infobot offers me stupid rot13 | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Racist! | 18:06 |
| RST38h | =) | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hahaha | 18:07 |
| Knowledge | that is funny | 18:07 |
| Knowledge | so what was this vote about? | 18:07 |
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| brontide | the newer iPod Touch fixed many of my personal complaints, but it's still lacking in software diversity and I'm not about to play cat and mouse by jailbreaking | 18:08 |
| Knowledge | cat and mouse? how so? | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every update you have to re-break. | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple fights the jailbreaking, the community fights Apple | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Apple hardware is viral | 18:08 |
| RST38h | makes its users go mad | 18:09 |
| Knowledge | big time | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The results are only fun for the hackers that get a sick thrill out of breaking it. | 18:09 |
| Knowledge | heyy, I used to be one of those.... | 18:09 |
| Knowledge | until it got boring | 18:09 |
| RST38h | this alone is a sufficient reason against buying it | 18:09 |
| jott | ~screenrotation is a way to add rotation support to your N8x0 device. Find instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:09 |
| infobot | jott: okay | 18:09 |
| jott | ~screenrotation | 18:09 |
| infobot | somebody said screenrotation was a way to add rotation support to your N8x0 device. Find instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rotation | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 18:09 |
| jott | yeah it want to rot13 :( | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, go die in a fire. | 18:09 |
| towo | Maline spongiform encephalopathy? | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot! | 18:10 |
| Knowledge | what on earth? | 18:10 |
| brontide | I will say that the Mobile OSX community is developing a quite a pace... it's interesting to watch | 18:10 |
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| jott | !rotation | 18:10 |
| povbot | jott: Error: "rotation" is not a valid command. | 18:10 |
| brontide | a/a/at/ | 18:10 |
| * brontide shoots typist | 18:10 | |
| jott | !rotation is a way to add rotation support to your N8x0 device. Find instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:10 |
| povbot | jott: Error: "rotation" is not a valid command. | 18:10 |
| jott | grr | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | Lots of bots, all useless ;) | 18:10 |
| jott | ~lart povbot | 18:10 |
| * infobot crushes povbot with a full height scsi disk | 18:10 | |
| jott | !lart infobot | 18:10 |
| povbot | jott: Error: There are no larts in my database for #maemo. | 18:10 |
| jott | haha | 18:11 |
| andrewfblack | lol | 18:11 |
| jott | that scsi disk contained all the larts :) | 18:11 |
| Knowledge | yeah, fuck the touch....it's just another device I'd have to carry without too much function... | 18:11 |
| Knowledge | I'd rather wait for the new tablet | 18:11 |
| Knowledge | although, I am going to get one for my girl. | 18:12 |
| brontide | Knowledge: don't forget we have android coming out if the n900 is not shiny enough for ya | 18:12 |
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| Knowledge | Android for the tablet? | 18:12 |
| jott | Knowledge: to make her touch you? i think you misunderstood something there :) | 18:12 |
| brontide | No in general | 18:12 |
| Knowledge | haha jott | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew Android | 18:12 |
| brontide | More shiny new toys to fondle in the store | 18:12 |
| Knowledge | oh...yeah android, I didn't follow up on it at all... | 18:13 |
| andrewfblack | did someone make screen rotation easier becuase the instructions used to be alot longer then the ones at http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 18:13 |
| jott | yeah but android hopefully will bring some nice devices. | 18:13 |
| Knowledge | I have a few cloned phones that supposedly run android but screw it... | 18:13 |
| jott | andrewfblack: it's easier on diablo. and we just rewrote them a bit. | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, andrewfblack, jott and qwerty12 improved the packaging a bit and I delete the old, crap, device-breaking howto. ;) | 18:13 |
| Knowledge | wait, let me rephrase | 18:13 |
| Knowledge | the could run android...they don't currently | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just a word of warning, any article that mentions Red Pill is probably going to be deleted by me. :) | 18:14 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles cool I'll have to give it a try I screen rotation has caused many reflashes for me and I gave it up at one point | 18:14 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles Why is that? | 18:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Because Red Pill is evil and there's practically no reason to recommend it to anyone. | 18:14 |
| Knowledge | if the 810 had a dpad on the outside, I would have one of those right now....but once someone mentioned that it doesn't (in this chan) I didn't want it anymore | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i had a nightmare where some evil person did that.. no kidding | 18:15 |
| jott | Knowledge: the nokia d-pads suck anyway :( | 18:15 |
| brontide | You may want to change wget for something like maemo-mini-curl which I believe is stock | 18:15 |
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| Knowledge | well, it's better than nothing. | 18:15 |
| jott | brontide: wget is not preinstalled? | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not | 18:16 |
| jott | oh | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, though. | 18:16 |
| Knowledge | yeah, red pill sucked | 18:16 |
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| Knowledge | waste of time | 18:16 |
| * jott is used to all this basic tools :) | 18:16 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, Red Pill doesn't really "suck" | 18:16 |
| andrewfblack | Knowledge I was working on a gamepad accessory for the n810 but so is Craves1 on itT and he has more money and resurces then me so I hope in the near future we will have decent game controls on the n810 | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a tool like any other | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The problem is that people recommend it like some sort of magical fix-all. | 18:16 |
| brontide | maemo-mini-curl -o <dest> <url> | 18:17 |
| jott | ok | 18:17 |
| jott | just checked it's preinstalled | 18:17 |
| brontide | I *believe* it's stock | 18:17 |
| jott | i'll fix the wiki :) | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, will that be an acceptable substitution for most uses of wget on the wiki? | 18:17 |
| Knowledge | well I never really planned on gaming on the 810, just browsing...without having the keyboard open all the time. | 18:17 |
| jott | 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages | 18:17 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: yes | 18:18 |
| brontide | GeneralAntilles: I believe so unless you are doing something complicated | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, will keep that in mind | 18:18 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: it does not support multiple files though :) | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a couple other articles that use wget | 18:18 |
| jott | and needs a -o | 18:18 |
| andrewfblack | knowledge well the dpad on the gamepad could be used for anything | 18:18 |
| brontide | Most of what people use wget for is save url -> file and maemo-mini-curl is a fine substitute | 18:18 |
| Knowledge | I see | 18:18 |
| lardman | ~lart Windows for being such a pain to setup DBV-T software on, and Freecom for that matter for their crappy drivers! | 18:19 |
| * infobot breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Windows for being such a pain to setup DBV-T software on, and Freecom for that matter for their crappy drivers! | 18:19 | |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the guy using Comic Sans on the Beagle list. | 18:19 | |
| Knowledge | the only thing that makes the ipod touch so appealing is the amount of support/developement behind it | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, yeah, all the support and development that's $$$. ;) | 18:19 |
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| Knowledge | well, not really. There are 36 pages of apps that are free for it... | 18:20 |
| andrewfblack | We have a lot of people who can do support and development for the nit but its getting people off there butt and doing some stuff thats the hard part lol | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, well, there's exactly ONE for-pay Maemo application. :P | 18:20 |
| andrewfblack | there are some days I wouldn't mind having a touch for a few of the features but I wouldn't replace my tablet with it just like I'm getting a netbook next month but not to replace tablet | 18:21 |
| andrewfblack | I didn't know there was a for-pay maemo applicaiton | 18:21 |
| Knowledge | bah, you and your reasoning....stop it (thanks though...everytime I want to buy an ipod touch I come in here) | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some sort of PIM thing for notes. | 18:21 |
| mikkov_ | wayfinder | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, that too. | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | TWO applications. :P | 18:22 |
| jott | ok changed to maemo-mini-curl | 18:22 |
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| andrewfblack | no wayfinder is free just naviagtion costs | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And this palm emulator? | 18:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Garnet is free | 18:22 |
| andrewfblack | but if you think about it garmin charges more for new maps then wayfinder costs year so I don't know why people complain since wayfinder maps are free | 18:22 |
| jott | this xserver-xomap line breaks straight out of my screen now :) | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | Wasn't there supposed to be a commercial version? | 18:23 |
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| jott | maybe just use -o 1.deb -o 2.deb .. mmh :) | 18:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, no, not that I recall. | 18:23 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I'd like to remove some old packages from repo... | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm ok ;) | 18:24 |
| Knowledge | Sorry guys, I know I've asked this a million times, but what's the next logical processor for the nit? | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: You and me both... ;) | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowledge, write it down. | 18:24 |
| jott | make a poster! | 18:24 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I combined openlierox data packages, but app manager shows uninstallable packages too | 18:25 |
| brontide | Knowledge: there is a huge thread on iTT, just start there... by the time you are done they will have anounced new hardware ;-) | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Which ones do you want removed? | 18:25 |
| Knowledge | haha | 18:25 |
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| Knowledge | are there any hams in here? | 18:26 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: they are are only in extras-devel now. I promote and tell after that ;) | 18:26 |
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| Knowledge | guess not | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Don't mess up extras please :D | 18:26 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, mikkov generally knows what he is doing ;) | 18:27 |
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| brontide | Besides the HTC diamond, are there any other devices that are "similar" to what we speculate the n900 will be? | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pandora | 18:29 |
| RST38h | iPhone? =) | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Archos 5, maybe. | 18:29 |
| Knowledge | I wonder what it's going to cost... | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the Archos has really, really shitty software. | 18:30 |
| Knowledge | $500 mark I'm assuming | 18:30 |
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| mikkov_ | any harm won't be done ;) | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Priceless: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/091008-san-francisco-hunts-for-mystery.html?hpg1=bn | 18:30 |
| RST38h | Maybe THAT is the fabled N900? | 18:31 |
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| Knowledge | No pictures, didn't read | 18:31 |
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| jott | RST38h: haha :) | 18:32 |
| Knowledge | wait, if the n810 has TV out capabilities...why isn't it implemented? | 18:33 |
| brontide | Knowledge: at $500 the n900 would not be attractive unless it made dinner and picked up the kids | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | marketing thinking they couldn't sell it? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I want to keep openlierox packages (openlierox, openlierox-data-all) with version 0.57.beta5+svnr2283-0maemo2, everything else can go. | 18:33 |
| Knowledge | brontide: I'd settle for a BJ... | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | brontide, the N800 started at $399 and the N810 at $479. . . . | 18:33 |
| mikkov_ | they will just clutter application manager | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: From extras? | 18:33 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, from extras. extras-devel doen't matter | 18:34 |
| jott | brontide: location based services is the magic trick to get you dinner and automatically call a cab for your kids :P | 18:34 |
| brontide | Knowledge: because they don't use the omap2 video buffer ( external epson to drive the 800x480 ) I don't know how useful the tv out would be | 18:34 |
| Knowledge | I see. | 18:34 |
| lardman | Knowledge: the answer is they didn't bother connecting the wires | 18:34 |
| Knowledge | haha | 18:35 |
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| jott | that's true unfortunately ... | 18:35 |
| brontide | Still this past year has brought a wave of sub $500 computing options and I don't see a $500 n900 being viable at this point | 18:35 |
| lardman | Knowledge: probably cost saving, looks like they'd need at least one extra component if they wanted output | 18:35 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: better solution would be smarter application manager ;) | 18:35 |
| jott | maybe also power saving.. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: So levelpacks and modpacks can go? | 18:35 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, i combined them to data-all (can be installed to sd-card) | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No small amount of software work for TV out, either. | 18:36 |
| andrewfblack | Just a heads up I released a New Superman Based Theme and Updates to 3 of my other ones just a few mins ago. Homepage: http://themehackers.maemobox.org/ Download: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No screenshots? | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ok, done. | 18:40 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: great! thanks you | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Mr. Haury, one vs the world | 18:40 |
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| andrewfblack | screenshots at at the homepage | 18:41 |
| andrewfblack | I'll have some of the superman theme later, | 18:41 |
| Veggen | Ah. 20:25 is when my plane leaves again on wednesday. Hmm. If someone arrives to the pub a bit early, I might get to meet someone. | 18:42 |
| * andrewfblack wishes he was going to Summit | 18:43 | |
| Knowledge | what's the big deal with this summit? | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | First big Maemo get together? | 18:44 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles your not going are you? | 18:44 |
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| X-Fade | Up to 179 registered participants now. | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 18:44 |
| andrewfblack | good atleast it will be you and me in IRC then | 18:44 |
| jott | and i bet a few more local folks also drop by. | 18:45 |
| brontide | Damn... 179 between three tracks... I don't know if the rooms are going to be big enough | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | brontide: Well usually 2 are ;) | 18:46 |
| brontide | they better have lots of AP's since that 179 * 1-3 wifi devices | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | brontide: The thrid one however... | 18:47 |
| brontide | I think we are gonna have standing room only presentations | 18:47 |
| brontide | should be interesting | 18:48 |
| andrewfblack | how many people did nokia sponsor to go? | 18:49 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: At least 50. | 18:50 |
| jott | how to add something on the wiki.maemo.org start page? it would be good to have "Extras" linked from the user documentation box. | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | jott: Ask the Council ;) | 18:51 |
| * jott is alone in #maemo-council :( | 18:51 | |
| lardman | is that the decided chat room? | 18:52 |
| jott | i don't think so. | 18:52 |
| lardman | I know ;) | 18:52 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: did we make a decision about where on #irc? Should be logged | 18:53 |
| * jott holds the op .. just in case :) | 18:53 | |
| Getkeys | hmm, anyone else have had their n810 keyboard keys scratched by the slide mechsanism? | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Getkeys: Me. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo | 18:53 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: do you know how to modify that box? :) | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, edit the Template:Users or similar. | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's one of the templates. | 18:54 |
| jott | ah Template: | 18:54 |
| jott | thanks | 18:54 |
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| jott | ugh the development box is outdated too :p | 18:57 |
| * lardman needs a beer | 18:58 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, Jaffa, etrunko, jott's brought us our first issue to take up with Nokia. | 19:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The sorry state of the diablo-1/ repository. | 19:00 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles: did you win? | 19:01 |
| lardman | how should we organise this? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.con-startpar.png <- deblet with startpar (parallel boot scripts), doesn't really help much | 19:01 |
| lardman | wiki page? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:01 |
| jott | mxr.maemo.org down? | 19:01 |
| jott | timeless: ^^? | 19:01 |
| lardman | I mean organise the various requests that is | 19:01 |
| moontiger | hehehe i know there are no winners but well done :) | 19:02 |
| moontiger | now go and change washington for the people!!! | 19:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, CPU is pegged out the whole time | 19:02 |
| moontiger | oh wait ... wrong election | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | More generally speaking, getting some sort of signal out of the Maemo release team. | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | A "Community issues" wiki page, lardman? | 19:02 |
| lardman | yeah, where people can request, and somewhere where we can make some notes on progress, etc. | 19:03 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles: if you need any web programming help let me know :) | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess some sort of an index page that'll link off to other pages with more detail | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, maemo.org needs all the web programming help it can get. | 19:03 |
| moontiger | i teach php+mysql+apache and i do it for a living so i can help | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, if you want to help out there, get with X-Fade or somebody. | 19:03 |
| jott | moontiger: all the source code is available. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no shortage of stuff to be done. ;) | 19:04 |
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| jott | (for the websites) | 19:04 |
| moontiger | coolio ... i will get in touch with xfade and get stuck in | 19:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 19:04 |
| moontiger | hi Khertan :) | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, but, yeah, an overview page of the current issues the council is actively pursuing. | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | We could probably lift most of the Sprint organizational setup for it. | 19:05 |
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| lardman | As much for us to keep track of where we are as for the electorate to know what we;re doing | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, maybe we should just integrate with it. | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we really need a separate setup? | 19:06 |
| moontiger | or have a lil custom tracking system built? | 19:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably worth bringing up on -community | 19:08 |
| lardman | what's with maemo.org, very slow all day | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Database dump was going on earlier. | 19:10 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: Changelog size is limited? "The value of this field may not be longer then 800 characters." :( | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably still is | 19:10 |
| moontiger | i have a code base i could extend and use if you were interested | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, don't blame me, I said it should be 1200! It's all on X-Fade's head! :D | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i honestly think we'd gain 10-20 seconds by simply running mount -t jffs /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/new_root/mnt/rootfs & in linuxrc.. | 19:11 |
| johnx | it blocks for a long time, huh? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | yea | 19:11 |
| * Stskeeps pokes deblet wireless with a stick | 19:12 | |
| * johnx works on getting a working OS on his zaurus... | 19:12 | |
| mikkov_ | GeneralAntilles: I would need 1732 characters ;) maybe it is too lenghty then | 19:12 |
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| lardman | Outlook just suggested Osama as a replacement for OSiM | 19:16 |
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| jott | osama searches international mercenaries ? | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.early-jffs.png | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, pinged community about the wiki organization. | 19:24 |
| jott | Stskeeps: nice :) | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, that is faster | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | jffs is a hog | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs to die already. | 19:27 |
| johnx | eh? | 19:27 |
| johnx | and be replaced with...? | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's something in the pipeline | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for zfs | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | don't recall the name. | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i would love zfs for tablets.. snapshots++ | 19:28 |
| jott | clusters! :) | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to see a tablet with 1GB of NAND boot with jffs2 | 19:28 |
| johnx | just do lvm2 on your sd card :) | 19:28 |
| jott | 20 usb stick raids :) | 19:28 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, they'd just use a system partition | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | is internal flash (as in mtdblock) actually faster than MMC? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | like, do clone-to-SD people feel a slowdown? | 19:29 |
| jott | i think it's got faster :) | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | SD is mostly faster due since it hasn't got compression to deal with | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you've got a decent card, anyway. | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/due// | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | but i think 50s for a full debian to boot up is impressive on the tablets | 19:32 |
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| zuh | "full debian" might actually mean less daemons than maemo has, depending on configuration ;) | 19:42 |
| pusling | anyone have had real luck with providing a updated debian devkit for scratchbox? (something with a up to date dpkg, up to date debhelper, up to date cdbs, ...) | 19:42 |
| johnx | heh...there is that :) | 19:43 |
| johnx | on the n810 you could even reasonably use only console, no X11 | 19:43 |
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| nomis | bah, what is it that I sometimes just cannot resist trolls. | 19:44 |
| pusling | that the trolls are too god ? | 19:45 |
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| nomis | heh :) | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mr. Haury? | 19:47 |
| nomis | yup. | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, he is something to behold. | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try replying to a question with just a URL if you wan to toy with him some more. | 19:48 |
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| nomis | and I did not even adress is "open source is ego-massage"-stance... :) | 19:51 |
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| GAN800 | I wonder what his angle is | 19:52 |
| lcuk | oh crap! | 19:52 |
| lcuk | i left my 810 charging today with a book ontop and its well hot :S | 19:52 |
| GAN800 | He's, mostly, single-handedly made -users an unbearable place to be. | 19:52 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, it's allowed to get hot. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | i know that, but its like a pocket hand warmer now - its not normally kept in a completely 100% enclosed space | 19:53 |
| GAN800 | Pretty much all of the longest flamewars there are his fault. | 19:53 |
| GAN800 | I'm in favor of banishment, myself. | 19:53 |
| lardman | ah, wondered what you lot were on about | 19:53 |
| lardman | the wonders of digest :) | 19:53 |
| lcuk | which ML is this? | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | -users | 19:54 |
| * lcuk wonders if hes missin some fun | 19:54 | |
| GAN800 | Not really | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | It's nowhere near as impressive a | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | s Darius | 19:55 |
| lcuk | which thread cos they all seem run of the mill barring the activex suggestion | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | Modest | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | The one that's 30,000 messages long. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | ahhh i kept out of that one, i have no experience and havent even setup mail on mine | 19:56 |
| lcuk | 73 actually :P | 19:56 |
| lcuk | it makes gmail look cool when it displays all the names folded up | 19:56 |
| GAN800 | He's just some idiot who thinks he knows something and loves trying to slug out the 'me vs the world' arguments over the dumbest shit. | 19:56 |
| lcuk | yer - now, more important matters - council members, hows it sinking in, are you glad the election stage is over and are you all settling into your new roles | 19:58 |
| * lcuk is glad the person he voted forwas elected | 19:58 | |
| GAN800 | Now the real work starts | 19:59 |
| lcuk | planning council meetings (in remote destinations) and setting up a maemo justice system to punish the trolls? | 20:00 |
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| GAN800 | Nah, impossing our will on you sad lot. >:D | 20:01 |
| johnx | GAN800, goodluckwiththat :) | 20:02 |
| johnx | it's like herding cats... | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | gan, you are sounding like sarah palin - power is goin to your head :P give it a week and you will be coming into the irc chan in a military uniform :D :P | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, don't try to talk American politics. :P | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | and in a bit gan will be talking about the difference betweeen him and a pitbull .. is the lipstick | 20:04 |
| lcuk | likewise yourself :) | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | lol Stskeeps | 20:05 |
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| GAN800 | Europeans talking American politics are almost as sad as me talking European politics. | 20:06 |
| johnx | heh | 20:06 |
| lardman | as in politics is sad? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | i wasnt talkin politics i merely pointed out you are transforming from GeneralAntilles: irc user+wiki master into something a whole lot more :D | 20:07 |
| johnx | lardman, don't read too much into it. I was just thinking about local politics... | 20:07 |
| lardman | fair enough | 20:07 |
| johnx | lcuk, are you saying he's more than meets the eye? | 20:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: didn't you get a clue with the name? | 20:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: soon to be FieldMarshalAntilles | 20:08 |
| nomis | hah! I love how Mark just confirms my predictions about his arguments... :) | 20:08 |
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| lardman | GAN800: probably makes no sense to you lot over there, is General as high as your ranks go? | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in the Navy. :P | 20:08 |
| lcuk | yer i know, but he couldnt use his nickname outside of the internet - now he is a bona-fide community council god | 20:09 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yeah, not many Generals in the navy though ;) | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html | 20:09 |
| lcuk | much like yourself lardman :) | 20:09 |
| * lcuk now worries that hes surrounded by gods and begins to phear you all | 20:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . non-English Maemo communities | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now there's a can of worms. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff like this is why I'm in favor of the _maemo.org_ Community Council | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=223078&postcount=85 | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody propose a vote to have the next person to continue arguing in that stupid Modest thread kicked off the list. | 20:14 |
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| lardman | Sorry for the slight delay, mad wasp attack | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | Nokia isn t looking for teleworking developper to work on maemo ? | 20:14 |
| lardman | So I guess our Field Marshal is your General of the Army | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those white protestants can be quite a handful. | 20:14 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, not directly, sorry :( | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 20:15 |
| * Solarion fills GeneralAntilles' hands. | 20:15 | |
| * lcuk muddies the waters :D | 20:15 | |
| Khertan_n810 | i m tired of doing 3h30 of train each days | 20:15 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, but there's a number of companies who work around maemo.org, who might be willing to do that... | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | MishaS if you have some name of french company ... | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll be happy :) | 20:16 |
| lcuk | lardman, there was a bee sting accident today - i saw it in the news, 6 people died after a truck carrying a hive crashed - the swarm attacked other road users and caused the second crash | 20:16 |
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| MishaS | Khertan_n810, you'd probably be happy if i not only have such a name, but also share it, right? :) | 20:17 |
| brontide | GeneralAntilles: Maybe if the "Maemo brand" was clearer, but right now it's as clear as mud | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep :) | 20:17 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, sorry, my too special sense of some call humor :-/ | 20:17 |
| lcuk | MishaS, :) you are right, theres lots - now i wonder whether we can get any of those companies together at any point | 20:17 |
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| GAN800 | Khertan can work for Open Ismus as the official maaem.org whipping boy. | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | whipping ? | 20:17 |
| MishaS | lcuk, some of them will be present @ maemo summit i think | 20:17 |
| GAN800 | brontide, the brand is perfectly clear | 20:18 |
| lcuk | MishaS, i already know this :) im hoping to have a word with some of them myself | 20:18 |
| GAN800 | What some people have confused is the community issue. | 20:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | me too :) | 20:18 |
| brontide | Ok, I shall say the documentation on the brannnding is unclear | 20:18 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, you get us drinks and mop the floors. :P | 20:19 |
| GAN800 | brontide, what's not clear? | 20:19 |
| brontide | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 20:20 |
| * MishaS . o O (jobs: companies & people is probably one thing council could look into... :)) | 20:20 | |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but what's not clear about it? | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum i like the openismus web site | 20:21 |
| brontide | Ummm... all the definitions | 20:21 |
| brontide | well some of them make sense | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | brontide, be specific. | 20:21 |
| GAN800 | and put it on the talk page. | 20:22 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, privmsg | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | If nobody knows what's confusing, then it can't be improved. | 20:22 |
| brontide | It's already on the talk page | 20:22 |
| lardman | I'm off, cu later | 20:23 |
| brontide | I can put more on the talk page, but right now the branding in unclear and anytime you add "community" you are bound to confuse people | 20:23 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, btw, what your message in maemo-devel was about? :) | 20:23 |
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| Khertan_n810 | MishaS: which one ? | 20:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | the 3 letter one ? | 20:24 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, yes, 3 letter one :) | 20:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve leave the mailing list waiting to join it later maybe | 20:25 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, ah... any particular reason? :) | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | MishaS: the people which claim that there idea are better and that everyone should do what they said | 20:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | +s | 20:26 |
| GAN800 | brontide, I don't see it. | 20:27 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, :D | 20:27 |
| brontide | I am adding a new section, but it will be a rehash of some of the erlier discussions | 20:27 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, just ignore them... | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | i prefer wasting my time to code than to filter them | 20:27 |
| * MishaS . o O (and this idea is better than leaving the list :)) | 20:28 | |
| Khertan_n810 | but i think that in a month or two problem will be solved | 20:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | just let time doing his wok | 20:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | work | 20:28 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and i was a bit furious against some guys | 20:29 |
| * nomis hereby promises to no longer participate in this pop/imap discussion... :) | 20:29 | |
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| MishaS | nomis, you can't decide what is better? :D | 20:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | and prefer do not say something that i wont to say | 20:29 |
| * MishaS ducks and runs.... | 20:29 | |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t want to say | 20:30 |
| GAN800 | nomis, speaking honestly, my goal is mostly to get a rise out of Mark and het him voted off. :p | 20:30 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, on peut le comprendre... :D | 20:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | do you speak french ? | 20:32 |
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| MishaS | Khertan_n810, not really :) i used to... but 7 years of no practice... now i got a french teammate and practice it a bit, but still it's far from being what it used to be then... :D | 20:33 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, are you coming to maemo summit? | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 20:34 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, then you might see eric le roux (who's my french teammate :)) | 20:34 |
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| MishaS | Khertan_n810, and by looking at what you did (mContact/mCalendar) you might want to talk to yannick pellet (who's accidently a french as well)... | 20:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | mContacts isn t finished yet | 20:36 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, i mean the area... :) | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | i should hurry up to found a better ui | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:37 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, yannick is not necessarily interested directly, but he might direct you to right people... | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png | 20:37 |
| lcuk | lol yer, we are all looking for a new ui | 20:37 |
| mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQB9s72Y6iA | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | great | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | hi marius | 20:41 |
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| mgedmin | hi lcuk | 20:42 |
| lcuk | are you all ready for next week? | 20:42 |
| jott | hello mgedmin. your bot needs love :) | 20:42 |
| * mgedmin is overworked and overtired | 20:42 | |
| * Khertan_n810 s connection could drop ... peer is near | 20:42 | |
| mgedmin | what kind of love? | 20:42 |
| jott | who knows.. | 20:43 |
| jott | some attention, you know. stories to listen to and enjoy etc :) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | i know that feeling mg, coming home after work and trying to get liqbase into shape is tiring - im not even sure ill have everything i want in place | 20:43 |
| jott | but - just relax for now. | 20:44 |
| * lcuk always gets hungry now when running it | 20:44 | |
| jott | lcuk: just watch it scroll a bit. it will draw your attention soon enough :) | 20:44 |
| lcuk | its the starfield, something seems "different about it recently | 20:45 |
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| jott | something is wrong with our universe. | 20:45 |
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| * MishaS thinks about big andron collider (or whatever that thing is called) | 20:46 | |
| rm_you_ | hadron | 20:46 |
| * Khertan_n810 is clearly not ready | 20:46 | |
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| lcuk | when i was younger on my amiga i would fall asleep with a starfield similar to the maemo one :) it had 10,000 stars meandering through and because of the way it clusters it was sometimes like a plane flying over clouds and othertimes like driving through a road with trees | 20:46 |
| RST38h | jott: what is it this time? | 20:46 |
| MishaS | rm_you, even worse :) | 20:46 |
| johnx | hey rm_you :D | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is the particul acellerator from the cern ? | 20:47 |
| rm_you | :P | 20:47 |
| MishaS | Khertan_n810, yes :) | 20:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | accelerator | 20:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yes Khertan, you died yesterday when europe mainland blew up | 20:47 |
| rm_you | LHC = Large Hadron Collider = happy fun physics times :P | 20:47 |
| MishaS | and that's what is wrong with our universe | 20:47 |
| lcuk | you wont find out about it till next week though | 20:47 |
| rm_you | johnx: :P | 20:47 |
| lcuk | hi rm_you :) not seen you around too much | 20:47 |
| rm_you | school <_< | 20:48 |
| lcuk | are you ready for your marathon trek | 20:48 |
| rm_you | i pop in and out | 20:48 |
| rm_you | heh | 20:48 |
| rm_you | yeah I got my shirts in | 20:48 |
| rm_you | they're pretty sweet | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | first collision is planned for december | 20:48 |
| lcuk | im gonna call ahead to the tsa and warn them about you :P | 20:48 |
| rm_you | I was thinking about selling a few of em there, but I may just end up giving a few to some select people :P | 20:48 |
| rm_you | lcuk: what size do you wear? :P | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | so we can t die yesterday | 20:48 |
| lcuk | Khertan, its a black hole, time does not work properly | 20:49 |
| lcuk | didnt john titor send a message back yesterday? | 20:49 |
| * Khertan_n810 will wear an unik one with the better logo ever draw : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 20:49 | |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:50 |
| lcuk | http://gist.github.com/raw/9810/3d283aedf220519e465cf0215bb4dc8f7c1206f5 | 20:50 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:50 |
| rm_you | people here particularly liked how the butterfly one turned out | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | !!!!!! so THATS what i wanted the missus to do when she went shopping | 20:51 |
| povbot | lcuk: Error: "!!!!!" is not a valid command. | 20:51 |
| lcuk | i spent about an hour trying to remember | 20:51 |
| lcuk | :O omg i poked povbot | 20:51 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:51 |
| rm_you | do what lcuk? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | get my tshirt printed | 20:52 |
| lcuk | it might have to be a magic marker on a plain one at this time | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | :( back later, am off to the hospital | 20:54 |
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| manyoso | ping jott | 20:55 |
| rm_you | :( | 20:55 |
| rm_you | lcuk: WHAT SIZE DO YOU WEAR?! >_< | 20:55 |
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| manyoso | anyone know which backend phonon is using for the Qt4 garage packages? | 20:56 |
| manyoso | gstreamer, mplayer, xine, other? | 20:56 |
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| GAN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3050668 | 20:58 |
| GAN800 | That's classic | 20:58 |
| GAN800 | They tell you not to do something but you do it anyway because you think you know better then blame it on Nokia. | 20:59 |
| andrewfblack | that link not workin GAN800 | 20:59 |
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| GAN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=223108#post223108 | 20:59 |
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| johnx | the funny thing is he got his tablet back pretty quick unlike a lot of other people that sent them in, in the past... | 21:01 |
| * Khertan_n810 must go on ... | 21:01 | |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 21:01 |
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| GAN800 | brontide, Maemo is capitalized. . . . | 21:02 |
| brontide | Depends on the trademark page you read | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | No. | 21:02 |
| brontide | yes | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | It's always capitalized. | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | old pages need to be updated | 21:03 |
| brontide | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/ | 21:03 |
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| brontide | This is the page linked from the Branding page | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | But that doesn't change the fact that Maemo is always capitalized. | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | It' deprecated. | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | Waiting on Nokia legal. | 21:03 |
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| GAN800 | and bugzilla _does_ track community bugs | 21:04 |
| Alystair | I got my 770 but I can't seem to get it to update via the computer to new firmware | 21:04 |
| Alystair | I hold down the power button till the USB icon shows up, let go... | 21:04 |
| Alystair | but it doesn't seem to connect and just boots up normally | 21:04 |
| GAN800 | Maemo is completely a Nokia trademark | 21:04 |
| Alystair | is there some sort of driver I need to install on my PC first? my used 770 didn't come with any disk | 21:05 |
| GAN800 | maemo.org and Maemo are two separate trademarks | 21:05 |
| brontide | Maemo is also the community | 21:05 |
| GAN800 | maemo.org is for community use. | 21:05 |
| brontide | "Maemo - Open source software platform for mobile devices. Developed by Nokia in collaboration with the Maemo community and some of the best open source upstream projects." | 21:06 |
| GAN800 | It's a Nokia trademark | 21:06 |
| GAN800 | What that trademark repressents doesn't change the fact it's owned by Nokia. | 21:06 |
| brontide | Honestly maemo.org is a domain name, and any differention that we apply to it will be lost on anyone not versed in trademark and branding | 21:07 |
| Alystair | anyone? | 21:07 |
| brontide | Alystair: no, it should show up as a mass storage device | 21:08 |
| Alystair | the tablet setup wizard does not find it :/ | 21:08 |
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| GAN800 | Mozilla and mozilla.org share a similar setup | 21:08 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, whatever, Peter and Quim can explain it. | 21:09 |
| Alystair | it becomes a mass storage device and the setup tool says it cannot find it | 21:09 |
| brontide | Alystair: are you trying to use the updater? | 21:09 |
| Alystair | yep | 21:10 |
| brontide | then follow the direction | 21:10 |
| GAN800 | Turn it off, unplug it from power, plug in usb turn on holding down Home. | 21:10 |
| Alystair | home button, not the power button? | 21:10 |
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| johnx | turn it on while holding the home button | 21:11 |
| Alystair | ohhhhhhhhhhh | 21:11 |
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| Alystair | there we go | 21:11 |
| Alystair | ah wow it already has latest firmware on it D: | 21:12 |
| Alystair | I should switch to Maemo or whatever? | 21:12 |
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| brontide | heh | 21:13 |
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| Alystair | I want to develop things in python on this device but don't know crap about it yet :/ | 21:13 |
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| Alystair | where is the getting started section :( | 21:33 |
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| johnx | if you're on a 770 with OS2006 then you're on maemo 2.2 I think | 21:35 |
| johnx | and you want to code in python? | 21:35 |
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| Alystair | I want to make a nice front end for a point of sale app | 21:35 |
| Alystair | yeah | 21:35 |
| Alystair | I thought Maemo was custom firmware, not from Nokia? | 21:36 |
| johnx | mamona is custom | 21:36 |
| johnx | maemo is the base software stack for Nokia, just the core stuff | 21:36 |
| johnx | OS2006 = maemo 2.2 = gregale | 21:37 |
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| Alystair | there is no way to put 07/08 on the 770? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | there is, OS2007/08HE | 21:37 |
| johnx | you can put 2007 or 2008 "hacker edition" but people say it's pretty slow | 21:38 |
| Alystair | ah | 21:38 |
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| Alystair | so how do I install apps from maemo.org? just direct my in-tablet browser to the site? | 21:39 |
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| Alystair | ah that worked | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Alystair: odd question, how much space do you have on your OS2006 right now? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | as in, free space on the OS partition | 21:44 |
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| Alystair | uh it came with the crappy 64mb card | 21:44 |
| Alystair | it's totally vanilla at the moment | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i was talking about the / partition :P | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | the one where OS2006 is on | 21:45 |
| Alystair | where do I see that | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | open "X terminal" and type "df -h" | 21:46 |
| johnx | Alystair, file manager would probably say | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | oh that | 21:46 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, if it's vanilla OS2006 I think there's no x terminal | 21:46 |
| Alystair | baby steps, there's no x term :) | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 21:46 |
| * Stskeeps should really get a 770 emulator.. | 21:47 | |
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| Alystair | I could dl openssh server? :/ | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | also a possibility :P | 21:48 |
| johnx | you could, but I think file manager will tell you the amount of free space | 21:48 |
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| Alystair | uh | 21:52 |
| Alystair | 54mb available | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 21:52 |
| Alystair | plenty :) | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | one of my wishlist things is getting deblet sanely on a 770 :P | 21:56 |
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| Alystair | uh | 21:57 |
| Alystair | the headphone jack is supposed to mute the internal speaker when you plug it in right? :| | 21:58 |
| Alystair | I plugged in a set of headphones and it's still playing via internal | 21:58 |
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| mgedmin | the fm-radio app had an option to play via internal speakers even when you plugged in headphones | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | all other apps should mute and play through the phones only | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | did you really push the plug all the way in? | 22:02 |
| Alystair | great it's defective | 22:02 |
| Alystair | woot | 22:02 |
| Alystair | yeah tried two sets | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | iirc my 770 required a lot of force for that | 22:02 |
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| Alystair | hmmm no | 22:07 |
| Alystair | doesn't seem to work | 22:07 |
| Alystair | when I plug in headphones it just mutes everything | 22:07 |
| Alystair | half the reason I got this thing was just so I could use it to remotely stream music from my PC... argh | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps just a OS thing that didn't get coded properly back then | 22:08 |
| Alystair | you're telling me nokia's firmware is broken? seems unlikely | 22:08 |
| Alystair | more like the person who sold me this gave me a defective product :| | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | how much did you give? | 22:09 |
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| Alystair | ~$100 | 22:09 |
| * infobot gives alystair full service! | 22:09 | |
| X-Fade | Alystair: It doesn't mute for me when I plug in headphones. | 22:09 |
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| Alystair | I think the headphone jack is simply borked | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | also possible | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Alystair: tested if sound works though? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | like, goes to headphones | 22:10 |
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| Alystair | built-in speaker works perfectly, but when I plug in headphones and try music all I hear is a tiny tiny click and nothing | 22:11 |
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| Alystair | ugh. | 22:17 |
| Alystair | can I use a bluetooth headset with this? | 22:17 |
| mikkov_ | Alystair: what kind of headphones? | 22:17 |
| Alystair | tried ipod and the ones that came with the 770 | 22:18 |
| Alystair | I don't have any BT headset yet tho | 22:18 |
| mikkov_ | volume was maxed, i suppose | 22:18 |
| mikkov_ | nokias headset is bad bad bad | 22:19 |
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| * Stskeeps goes write a deblet-770 post and see who picks up. | 22:31 | |
| ricko73 | so I finally upgraded to Diablo | 22:31 |
| ricko73 | nice so far | 22:31 |
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| lardman | Evening all | 22:38 |
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| Chani | is there any calendar software for the n810 right now? | 22:39 |
| * melmoth use gpecalendar | 22:39 | |
| Chani | has anyone tried running korganizer on it? | 22:39 |
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| andrewfblack | I use mcalendar | 22:40 |
| Chani | where do I get those? how do I get them to share a calendar with my computer? | 22:41 |
| lardman | Chani: Or gpe-calendar or dates (openhand(ed?)) | 22:41 |
| melmoth | mcalendar is on garage (i think) | 22:42 |
| lopz | hi | 22:42 |
| zap_ | Anybody knows why python2.5-sdk is not installable in scratchbox? | 22:42 |
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| melmoth | http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/calendar.shtml | 22:43 |
| Chani | what's GPE? | 22:43 |
| andrewfblack | chani mcalendar is syncs with Google Calendar | 22:43 |
| melmoth | a pim suite for handled. | 22:43 |
| lopz | how use mode HOST in nokia n800 ? :s | 22:44 |
| lopz | I have installed USB control, I connected my mode and USB flash memory, but does not recognize it: S | 22:44 |
| melmoth | gep calendar can import zimbra events. i did not bother trying to see if exorting can be done | 22:44 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: I didn't promote your last message to the garage frontpage because there are already a few messages from your project there. | 22:44 |
| lopz | any idea ? | 22:45 |
| lardman | Chani: GPE is http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/ | 22:45 |
| andrewfblack | x-Fade yeah I know sorry about releasing so much news | 22:45 |
| andrewfblack | I'm just updating my Themes to fast lol | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: Doesn't matter, but at least you know the reasoning behind it. | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: Trying not to be evil ;) | 22:46 |
| andrewfblack | thanks for telling me | 22:46 |
| lardman | X-Fade: difficult hey!? ;) | 22:46 |
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| andrewfblack | I think i'm going to start only releasing files once a week or atleast only releasing a news update once a week | 22:46 |
| Chani | interesting. | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: I only have 2 rules. 1. more than 2 lines of text in the news item. 2. No other posts in a few days. | 22:47 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack: But don't let that stop you from releasing often. | 22:48 |
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| andrewfblack | Just noticed I had 2 back to back on front page | 22:49 |
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| lopz | ups | 22:50 |
| lopz | how use mode HOST in nokia n800 ? :s | 22:50 |
| lopz | I have installed USB control, I connected my mode and USB flash memory, but does not recognize it: S | 22:50 |
| keesj | n800 needs external power | 22:51 |
| andrewfblack | lopz did you open USB Control and set USB to host mode? | 22:51 |
| lopz | andrewfblack, yes :S | 22:51 |
| andrewfblack | just making sure :) | 22:52 |
| lopz | control female / female me I did, okay? | 22:52 |
| lopz | http://omploader.org/vcWxw/Img020.jpg | 22:52 |
| Alystair | welp, time to see if nokia will fix this | 22:53 |
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| keesj | lopz: how to you power your flash? | 23:09 |
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| Alystair | argh... does nokia charge a lot for out of warranty repairs? The headphone jack on this 770 is gone. | 23:10 |
| lopz | keesj, mm not have, is connected directly, is correct? | 23:14 |
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| Italodance | wow | 23:17 |
| Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ | 23:17 |
| Italodance | all news today | 23:18 |
| * RST38h moos gloomily | 23:19 | |
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| jaska | o.O | 23:32 |
| BULLE | x.x | 23:33 |
| aquatix | hey jaska :) | 23:33 |
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| jaska | lo | 23:37 |
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| lopz | keesj,http://omploader.org/vcW1n/15_19_21-110908.jpg http://omploader.org/vcW1p/Img024.jpg | 23:40 |
| lopz | any idea ? | 23:40 |
| * RST38h sees two female USB connectors, surface mounted, apparently used before | 23:45 | |
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| RST38h | Is this what you are asking about? | 23:45 |
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| lopz | RST38h, any idea ? | 23:46 |
| RST38h | what do you want to know about it? | 23:46 |
| lopz | if I connect the flash memory I can not recognize and can not access: S | 23:46 |
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| RST38h | You can't connect flash memory to it. Need a controller. | 23:47 |
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| lopz | RST38h, I did that jack / female, but does not work .. I have to do something? | 23:47 |
| lopz | Already I: echo "host"> / sys / devices / platform / musb_hdrc / mode | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | One more time: you need a controller that accepts umass commands over USB and performs flash reads/writes | 23:48 |
| lopz | that driver? On the web said that only connect the flash memory with FAT format, and will recognize it automatically, like the keyboard | 23:49 |
| lopz | that controller RST38h ? :S | 23:50 |
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| Alystair | wtf the headphone jack started working | 23:51 |
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| Alystair | awesome! | 23:52 |
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| lopz | any idea ? | 23:53 |
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| * Jaffa is much more pleased with http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo2.jpg - now if only it wasn't too late to get the "Finding Maemo" logo printed on a t-shirt for the conference. | 23:57 | |
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