IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-09-02

GAN800I might buy one of those EyeFi cards for kicks.00:00
crashanddieI would love a beagleboard with a little more ports00:01
GAN800Gumstix has an OMAP3530 board coming.00:01
GAN800That'll probably be what you're after00:01
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GAN800Though the Rev.D Beagle might be too.00:02
* XTL parsed that as "Reverend Beagle"00:03
sp3000reverend d. beagle!00:04
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crashanddieGAN800, does anyone know about a rs232 adaptor that works with the n8x0 ?00:09
GAN8001You'll have to build one.00:11
crashanddiewhy the fuck do you the picture of an alien00:12
GAN8001One more closeup coming down the pipe. . . .00:12
GAN8001The horseshoe crab?00:12
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crashanddieholy shit: A single horseshoe crab can be worth $2,500 over its lifetime for periodic blood extractions.00:15
qwerty12_N800wtf is in their blood?00:15
mavhctasty tasty crab blood00:16
mavhcfor the nautical vampire00:16
XTLcraab people00:16
GAN8001The flickr export plugin for Aperture is the slowest thing ever.00:17
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RST38hCircuit Porn!!00:26
GAN8001Finally, the closeup:
RST38hMore circuit porn!00:27
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UtopiahGHMLhi #maemo :)00:27
RST38hUsing just tx/rx wires will lower your rs232 throughoutput00:27
GAN8001Apparently that's all that's implemented00:29
GAN8001I just need enough to tell it to boot from the SD, though.00:29
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lardmanevening all00:33
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RST38hMay well be - a lot of SoCs do not provide flow control00:36
lardmanhi RST38h00:37
RST38hAnybody knows *when* AGPS updates it info? I have changed the location on the map, but it does not seem to have fetched new data00:37
lardmananyone know how I display the files in a given package?00:37
RST38hOops. It just did. =)00:37
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jottlardman: dpkg-query -L package00:37
lardmani.e. using apt or dpkg00:38
RST38hlardman: dpkg00:38
lardmanjott: cool, thanks00:38
jott(this works only for installed packages)00:38
lardmanyep, that's what I was after00:38
RST38hdpkg -L to be exact00:38
lardmanAnyone here have the dsp-sbc packages installed?00:38
qwerty12_N800i have the tar.gz + bluz-utils deb00:39
qwerty12_N800bluez even00:39
lardmanqwerty12_N800: Could you tell me the modification date of /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ please?00:39
* lardman has a later testing version installed, but needs some way of working out if the dsp version is installed for this thread:
qwerty12_N800lardman: give me a sec :)00:40
qwerty12_N8006th July00:41
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* lardman looks for a mono file that he can bear listening to ;)00:47
qwerty12_N800lardman: you know the one I sent is all good :p00:47
lardmanhmmm :)00:47
* qwerty12_N800 meanwhile tries to fix a grep -v "Content-type: text/html" that is removing everything :/ 00:49
lardmancool, found one00:49
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lardmanso strange, sounds like it's playing through a few paper bags00:53
qwerty12_N800is that is because of dsp-sbc or that the song sounds like that anyway? :p00:53
lardmanno, dsp problem00:53
lardmanI'm playing the MASH theme tune00:54
qwerty12_N800eastenders ending ftw00:54
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lardmanfixed it01:01
qwerty12_N800great :)01:01
lardmanit was indeed overzealous use of #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1)01:01
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lardmanI'll upload it01:02
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lardmanright, should be there in sbcenc.tar.gz01:06
lardmanjust extract that in the root directory, etc.01:06
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qwerty12_N800thanks, i'll grab in a minute :)01:07
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* lardman tries some more tweaking of the MUST_ITERATE #pragma to see if he can a) break it again or b) speed it up some more01:11
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Stskeepsdash vs bash on n800/deblet: ,
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* qwerty12_N800 is currently using bash3 compiled with -Os in maemo and prefers much more to dash which he compiled and disliked 01:20
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GAN8001That's a big hit.01:20
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i prefer bash myself as well, but dash is good for system scripts01:23
AStormwhat about comparing to busybox sh?01:23
AStorm(the default)01:24
StskeepsAStorm: i'm not confident busybox sh can boot a debian initscripts01:24
AStormah, debian, no01:24
AStormbut Maemo init scripts, definitely01:24
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yeah. Good idea actually, i should edit all my init scripts to use dash01:24
Stskeepsthere's bootchart support in maemo boot afaik :P01:25
qwerty12_N800dash failed for me because it won't support coloured prompt :p01:25
StskeepsGAN8001: yeah, that's why debian is wanting to switch to dash, and why ubuntu seems so fast at boot (it's not all because of upstart)01:26
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: I'd have to argue that, i used upstart in maemo and boot was much faster01:26
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LinuxCodeevening guys01:27
LinuxCodeany of you use email certs with maemo ?01:27
LinuxCodeIm on the N810...import of pk12 exports works01:28
LinuxCodebut I cant use them in the email application01:28
LinuxCodeany ideas  would be helpful..01:28
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: upstart ofcourse helps01:28
* lardman smiles at choice b)01:30
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GAN8001RST38h, crashanddie, XTL, I think it's the cable. Just getting garbage from an echo test.01:32
crashanddieGAN800, you clod01:32
GAN8001Yeah, something like that.01:32
GAN8001I'm noob at this. :D01:32
Stskeepsokay, either my figures are faulty or there's no impact whatsoever..01:33
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Stskeeps(looked at two copies of the same..)01:35
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LinuxCodeis it pirate day again ?01:59
lardmanjust doing my bit for global warming02:00
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* LinuxCode spanks lcuk02:13
LinuxCodealright mate02:14
lcukyer, im havin a great time building stuff02:14
LinuxCodeever imported certs into your N810 for email use ?02:14
LinuxCodebuilding what mate ?02:14
* lardman always wondered what went on in here at night!02:14
lcuknever touched email on it02:14
LinuxCodelcuk, k mate02:14
LinuxCodewas worth a try02:14
LinuxCodewhat ya building ? Im intrigued02:14
lcuklardman, it gets quite lively occasionally02:15
LinuxCodenot another wood holder for the N810 ?02:15
qwerty12_N800LinuxCode: lardman wants in :P02:15
LinuxCodeqwerty12_N800, wants what mate ?02:15
LinuxCodemy pirate hat ?02:15
qwerty12_N800LinuxCode: the spanking :p02:15
LinuxCodeohh you are working on that02:15
LinuxCodeqwerty12_N800, I only spank select few people02:15
LinuxCodelcuk, sweet... how much progress have you made on it since I spoke to you a month or so ago ?02:16
lcuklardman, ive just moored the images in place and am trying to work out how to scale the closest ones so further away from finger is smaller02:16
lardmanI've got a fiance for that now, thanks anyway ;)02:16
lardmanlcuk: you should have them slowly shrink back to original size too02:16
LinuxCodelardman, extra wishes huh ?02:17
LinuxCodelol ;-D02:17
lcuklinuxcode, ive completely rebuilt the rendering routines to allow an arbitary clipping rectangle and built a tile object class which i can insert data into...02:17
lardmans/fiance/fiancee (sorry no accents on my kb)02:17
lcuklardman :)02:17
LinuxCodelcuk, sounds cool mate02:17
lcuklike they currently do :)02:17
lcukthe only problem is that they are jumpy02:17
lardmanlcuk: ah ok, didn't see that in your original vid02:17
lcukive made the initial grid code more friendly02:17
lcukand it doesnt overlap initially02:17
LinuxCodecode base issue ? or rendering problem ?02:17
LinuxCodemy N810 seems a bit sluggish lately02:18
LinuxCodemight reflash and see if i can find out why02:18
lcukit had a bad initial tiling thing where it just scaled and if there was too many it would overlap until they were moved02:18
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lcukyou can see it on the youtube vid02:18
lcukthe little nobbles above each and every menu item are to be linked by ident to a particular drawing or image :)02:19
lardmanI've got to hit the sack, worn myself out with that sbc fix & tremor byte reading debugging02:19
lardmanlcuk: will have a chat/another look at the video tomorrow02:19
lcukyer i spotted you earlier :) nice one02:20
lardmansleep tight all02:20
lcukgnite :)02:20
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qwerty12_N800night lardman02:20
qwerty12_N800too late :)02:20
lcukalways quick02:21
* LinuxCode blames the fiancee02:22
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LinuxCodelcuk, you gonna play euormillions ?02:23
LinuxCode£92 jackpot!02:23
lcuki think the missus has a ticket02:23
lcuka whole £92 oooh02:23
LinuxCodeits ridiculous02:24
LinuxCodeadd a M02:24
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LinuxCodeyeh mooh02:24
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lcuki cant get used to this mousepad02:24
lcukits too slippery02:24
LinuxCodemy brother got  me one in Thailand02:25
LinuxCodeshape of a floppy02:25
LinuxCodeits not slippy ..quite good02:25
LinuxCodeonce the rubbery smell wore off02:25
LinuxCodethe thing stank of rubber02:25
lcukwell this makes the mouse act like a superconductor, its practically levitating02:26
* lcuk is used to an old knackered cloth surface02:27
* LinuxCode gives lcuk a new mouse02:27
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lcukmouse is fine02:27
LinuxCodenew desk ?02:27
* lcuk has a heavy ball02:27
LinuxCodeyou are getting greedy now mate02:27
* qwerty12_N800 doesn't use mousepad, wooden surface + optical sensor02:28
LinuxCodeqwerty12_N800, same mate02:28
lcuki still cant get used to optical02:28 that mouse pad now02:28
LinuxCodelcuk, why not ?02:29
LinuxCodeactually this one is a laser one02:29
LinuxCodeany of you remember the old amiga mouse ?02:29
lcuki pickup my mouse quite often, and everytime i try it with a laser mouse the  pointer fucks off west02:29
LinuxCodegod that thing was a pain in the arse02:29
GAN8001Get a non-shitty mouse?02:29
lcukwith the ball it stays where it is - i sort of half roll it around whilst picked up02:29
LinuxCodelcuk, mie seems fine with that02:29
LinuxCodemince lol02:30
GAN8001Have your sensitivity set high enough so you don't have to lift it up. :P02:30
LinuxCodeqwerty12_N800, mince as in minced meat ?02:30
lcukits not for lifting up02:30
qwerty12_N800LinuxCode: Lol, i know, just joking :)02:31
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lcukpoint bein, i just dont like em02:31
LinuxCodeqwerty12_N800, I bloody hope so mr qwerty!02:31
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RaytrayWho's richard?02:51
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qwerty12_N800rms i guess02:51
qwerty12_N800the gnu guy02:51
qwerty12_N800I wouldn't say the N810 is entirely open, a *lot* remains closed02:52
GAN8001The comments never fail to crack me up on his blog.02:52
GAN8001I like: "how about running windows mobile 6 on this unit-nokia have created this great device with below average software"02:53
GAN8001Stallman, Raytray. :P02:55
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TucoHi gan800, Raytray02:57
Tucowhat you guys doing here02:57
RaytraySame as you I assume.02:58
GAN8001Absolutely nothing.02:58
RaytrayDregs come around here too?02:58
GAN8001Used to.02:58
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jottGAN8001: i'm still waiting for your beagle-in-a-770 mod :D03:12
GAN8001I gotta pull the LCD controller line out before it hits the DVI chip03:13
GAN8001assuming that that'll actually be usable03:13
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GAN8001Just not gonna happen03:13
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error_developer_i wonder what am i gonna get if i enable R&D mode on n800 ?03:14
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LinuxCodeyou will get r&d mode03:14
GAN8001If you're after root, then you want.03:14
infobotrootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here:
error_developer_the flasher utility has such a flag ..03:14
GAN8001It's in Extras.03:14
* LinuxCode agrees with GAN800 03:15
AStormGAN8001: why not? increases power use or sth? ;P03:15
AStorm(yes, it does enable the serial port)03:15
error_developer_ok ..03:15
LinuxCodemakes it easier to mess your device up03:15
GAN8001AStorm, the only reason somebody asking about it has to use it is for root access.03:15
AStormor have the nice boot image ;P03:15
GAN8001Power usage is one possible reason not to use it.03:15
error_developer_LinuxCode: well ..yaeh, that what i don't want03:15
GAN8001AStorm, install bootmenu.03:15
error_developer_cause it's in hands of my brother ..03:15
AStormI've noticed no increased power use with n81003:16
jottand disabling evil watchdogs ..03:16
error_developer_and they strangly messed it up already03:16
GAN8001jott, that's separate from R&D mode.03:16
GAN8001AStorm, more than one @nokia person has mentioned the possibility of increased power use.03:16
jottGAN8001: it get's activated with r&d doesn't it?03:16
error_developer_how to get the current image ?03:16
GAN8001jott, no.03:16
error_developer_can i do it with the flasher util?03:16
GAN8001It's an R&D mode "flag"03:16
LinuxCodeerror_developer_, yes03:16
GAN8001R&D mode isn't turned on by setting flags, though.03:16
GAN8001and turning R&D mode on doesn't set flags.03:17
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infoboti heard flashing is
jottGAN8001: ah ok, i was under the impression that the wd flags where set when activating r&d.03:19
* jott takes an imaginary note03:19
GAN8001I should gather information for an R&D mode wiki article03:20
GAN8001Poke Igor and Eero03:20
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error_developer_sudo gainroot helped03:24
error_developer_cause i had actually forgotten the password03:24
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error_developer_did i get it right,03:25
error_developer_sudo gainroot works only in R&D mode ?03:25
error_developer_right ,,03:34
error_developer_seems more like a security hole to me ..03:34
error_developer_right ..03:34
error_developer_another thing i gotta sort out ..03:34
error_developer_if i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade03:35
error_developer_will do the same what flasher could upgade ?03:36
GAN8001apt-get upgrade is a decent way to make your device unbootable if you have the wrong repositories installed.03:41
infobothmm... flashing is
GAN8001To update to the latest FIASCO release03:42
GAN8001then install the "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" from Application manager.03:42
error_developer_GAN8001: i haven't see it there ..03:43
GAN8001Are you running Diablo?03:44
GAN8001Have you refreshed the repositories?03:44
error_developer_GAN8001: hm ..03:47
error_developer_i got Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap103:47
GAN8001That's not the latest.03:47
error_developer_ok ..03:49
error_developer_i see, i got chinook03:49
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error_developer_if i edit the sources list03:50
error_developer_and change chinook to diablo03:50
error_developer_then run apt-get upgrade03:52
error_developer_GAN8001: why are you so radical?03:52
error_developer_have you personaly experoenced03:52
GAN8001I'm trying to help you not get yourself into a reboot loop03:52
GAN8001But apparently you don't want help03:54
error_developer_GAN8001: well03:54
GAN8001Do whatever you please, but don't come whining back to me when you back yourself into a corner.03:54
GAN8001I'm telling you it doesn't work that way03:54
error_developer_i just wonder what's wrong with apt-get approach03:54
GAN8001It doesn't work like that.03:55
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GAN8001Even if you A. Managed to get the username and password for the upgrade repo, and B. Provide them to apt03:55
GAN8001you'll still need to turn off the watchdog so it doesn't kill itself in the middle of the update03:55
GAN8001and symlink the apt caching directory onto a card03:55
error_developer_ok .., right i see now :)03:56
GAN8001Pull the correct meta-package from the repo so you don't end up with a completely broken install03:56
error_developer_is it a very good idea to upgrade from chinook to diablo ?03:56
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GAN8001even if you get out the other side after doing all that, you STILL have a broken ssytem.03:56
error_developer_i had noticed some slight brakege03:56
GAN8001So, why do I tell you not to do it? Because it's a bad damn idea.03:56
GAN8001Flashing is like wiping the tablet clean and starting over.03:57
GAN8001So there's no Chinook -> Diablo issues.03:57
GAN8001The only issue would be restoring a broken backup.03:57
error_developer_just that cause i don't like wipping everything03:57
GAN8001Well, that's why you're upgrading to Diablo03:58
infobotmethinks ssu is
error_developer_but proly  i should apply my 'never wipe' technique only to pc-kindda systems03:58
GAN8001Read up on SSU.04:00
GAN8001No more flashes required.04:00
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AFBN810anyone know of a vnc viewer that will run from a usb drive?04:34
AStormwhy wouldn't it?04:34
AFBN810some programs don't run well of a usb drive04:36
AStormnot if it's writable04:36
AStormand has some real filesystem on it (not FAT)04:36
AFBN810guess I should say it for windows :)04:38
AStormah, there are a few for windows04:39
AStormthere is probably one that doesn't store config outside of its dir04:40
AFBN810yeah I'll take a look arounf for one I need something at work and can't install programs there04:40
lcukwith a bit of hacking around with custom u3 stuff i believe you can get a version of vnc running upon insertion of the stick04:44
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lcukfailing that, you can get your app coming up on the stupid windows run list04:44
crashanddielcuk, the switchblade only works when you're in admin mode04:45
AFBN810hey how do I make my windows desktop screen fit on my nokia over vnc?04:46
lcukAFBN810, more often its convenient to know the url of a vnc binary04:46
lcukyou can even create one click installers that you can simply get your client to download and run and it will open a connection back to your office04:47
spcuiHi, buddies04:48
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lcukAFBN810, but we aren't here for windows ;)04:49
spcuiwho can use the Rotation support for OS2008 on N810?04:50
AFBN810yeah I know I use windows and linux on more then my n810 but at work I am forced to windows all the time04:50
AStormAFBN810: what is this work?04:51
* robink hopes Nokia will bring OGG support back into Diablo.04:51
lcukanyway, im off to bed, ive got things floating around my mind (literally)04:51
* AStorm hopes ogg-support is updated :>04:51
AFBN810Astorm its what some of us have to do to make money :)04:51
AStormAFBN810: well, but what exactly04:52
AStormesp. lms-ogg04:52
AFBN810Nuclear Power04:53
spcuiI found a problem that my N810 did't boot when I executed the command 'flasher -f -k kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 '04:53
spcuiwho can help me?04:53
AStormAFBN810: sounds demanding, like watching whole day a monitor ;P04:53
AFBN810I monitor people and objects for radiation04:53
GAN8001flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R04:53
AStormyay, you walk and check sensors04:54
AStormI suppose they required an uni degree for that04:54
AFBN810I don't do that much walking its mostly remote monitoring now04:54
AFBN810No degee at all04:55
GAN8001AStorm, snarky much tonight? :P04:55
AStormok, some smart people at recruitment then :>04:55
AStormGAN8001: yeah, a bit it seems04:55
spcuiGAN8001 : thanks, I try it04:55
AStormGAN8001: more like, feeling cynical04:56
spcuiGAN8001 : The kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 isn't FIASCO image.04:58
AStormspcui: use -k instead of -F then04:58
AStormit's a kernel image, not full FIASCO04:59
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spcuiI know, but I used it04:59
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AStormis it just a kernel image, a .deb, or a gzipped kernel image?05:00
AStorm(try file on it)05:00
AStormit not booting is possible if you didn't update kernel modules05:00
spcuiok, thanks. You can see it.
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AStormyou need to update Xomap first05:02
spcuii didn't boot my N810 when i flashed my kernel.05:03
AStormthen boot it05:03
AStorm-R should take care of that05:03
AStorm(obviously, you have to put the device in the flash mode, but you should know that already)05:04
spcuii added -R.05:04
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spcuibut i didn't boot it05:06
AStormwhat happened?05:06
AStormit restarted and what?05:06
spcuii don't know that05:06
AStormwent to white screen, then rebooted?05:06
AStormwent to black screen?05:06
AStormblack screen, not good05:07
spcuiwent to white screen05:07
AStormso it hanged05:07
AStormin kernel boot05:07
spcuithen went to black screen05:07
AStormmhm, watchdog killed it05:07
AStormmight be broken kernel... or just non-zImage05:08
AStormdo run file on it05:08
spcuiyep, i think so05:08
brontideok, before I go and do something stupid ( too late ) what do I put in the Distribution: field in my .changes file if I want to upload to both diablo and chinook "diablo, chinook" or ""05:09
spcuiAStorm : Thank you for your time05:10
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* brontide finds some debian docs that indicate "chinook diablo" would be the proper way...... trying05:20
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GAN8001brontide, since you're going through the suffering here, think you could compile a short list of possible amendments and additions to ?05:24
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GAN8001Did jolouis ever make any progress on the N810 OTG adaptor?06:03
spcuiI want to install the flash-and-reboot, but I don't know where the package is. who can tell me where I find it06:07
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GAN8001Er, it's in the upgrade repo06:09
GAN8001and it's not really something you "install"06:09
* moontiger installs the latest sdk stuff...06:09
GAN8001It's a package that invokes fiasco-flasher06:09
GAN8001spcui, have you installed the latest SSU update?06:09
spcuiwhat's SSU?06:10
infobotit has been said that ssu is
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moontigerGAN800, is this the new dev env you were telling me about the other day?06:16
GAN8001scratchbox 206:16
GAN8001Has a lot of improvements06:16
moontigerthe sdk 1.5 beta thingy?06:16
GAN8001but Nokia hasn't moved to it officially.06:16
GAN8001RST38h can tell you more about it.06:16
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moontigerGAN800, so is the "rootstrap" the actual emulator?06:21
* ToyKeeper tries to figure out how to make osso-xterm display dark grey instead of black, for "bright black"06:22
GAN8001Forget about Xephyr06:23
GAN8001It sucks even when it works06:23
GAN8001Just compile for ARM and copy to the device06:23
GAN8001Testing will go much more smoothly06:24
moontigerok so i dont need the rootstrap?06:24
moontigerim very excited by the anjuta plug-in they say is available06:24
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brontideGAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project.  Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me06:27
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kulverobink: AStorm: if somebody finds out how to get oggs indexed by metalayer crawler in diablo, I might consider updating it for diablo..06:30
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tank-mani hate that crawler, takes so long to index stuff06:47
* GAN8001 facepalms06:47
GAN8001Here I am wondering why the hell my order hasn't shipped yet. :\06:48
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moontigerholy shit!!! i can use anjuta for dev work !!! :)07:09
moontigerGAN800, labor day ;)07:09
GAN8001Right. ;)07:16
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RST38h"Assessing the Political Impact of Bristol Palin's Pregnancy" (C)WashPost07:31
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moontigerummmmmmm it works brilliantly ... i take back all my moaning and bitching from the other day about the build tools etc07:36
moontigerits so cool :)07:36
GAN800RST38h, I'm writing in the fetus for president.07:38
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jitu3485hi, on my N810, in the terminal i am getting characters is chinese(or something like ASCII) ,locale is en_GE , how to resolv08:08
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TTilusdamn, nyt n810 keyb doesnt work as advertised anymore09:19
TTiluschr switching seems to be reversed or something09:19
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ricko73TTilus: ?  I've not seen that09:22
TTilusmy keyb has &ouml; / &oslash; key, im supposed to be (and ive been) getting &ouml; with plain key and &oslash; with Chr key09:23
TTilusnow its reversed09:23
TTilusthe same with &auml; / &aelig; key09:24
TTilusboot doesnt help09:24
TTilusalso my bt keyboard stopped working09:26
TTilusit pairs but doesnt actually work09:27
TTiluslights blink as you type, but you get nothing09:27
TTilusmight try flashing, id also be able to try out agps09:28
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1210:05
qwerty12Hey Stskeeps10:05
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rmrfchikon the i see "keepassx", but there is no keepassx in the repository. where can I get it? I used to use keepass on my linux box and windows mobile10:18
rmrfchikwill it work on latest diablo?10:21
rmrfchikthanks anyway10:22
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Stskeepsqwerty12: did you ever progress with mtdutils btw?10:48
qwerty12Stskeeps: how do you mean?10:48
Stskeepswell, the backup/restore thing, seems like my rootfs jffs2 is getting corrupted so :P10:48
Stskeepsand a "clean" copy is only really possible from initfs where it's not mounted10:49
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qwerty12Stskeeps: I stopped working on it, my scripting knowledge is too low for what I want :)10:49
Stskeepsah, sucks10:49
qwerty12Stskeeps: using usbnet/serial, you can perform a backup yourself10:49
Stskeepsthat's true10:49
Stskeepswithout using mtd or with?10:50
qwerty12using mtd10:50
Stskeepscompiled statically or?10:50
qwerty12yeah, the static ones as you'd want to run the binaries from the initfs10:50
qwerty12If you don't have mtd-utils in initfs, grab the static ones off my site and shove them in /tmp and mount your memory card up so you can use mtd-utils10:52
qwerty12You can also dump rootfs when you are booted from mmc too :)10:52
qwerty12If you don't want to go long initfs method10:52
korgothwin 1110:55
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JaffaMorning, all10:57
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napsy_Hello. I can't get updates from the maemo Is there someting wrong with the repos?11:03
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napsy_Failed to fetch  Temporary failure resolving ''11:05
napsy_any ideas?11:05
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Stskeepsdoes ping work? :P11:13
keesjnapsy_: dig repository.maemo.org11:14
pupnikhmm, i could really use md5sum on the tablet right now11:15
pupnikoh 'coreutils' nm11:15
pupnikhah, no do not install that11:15
keesjpupnik: usualy part of busybox11:15
Stskeepspupnik: deblet package has a compiled md5sum in /usr/libexec/deblet atleast11:16
napsy_keesj, I got a reply11:16
Stskeeps(we needed it for debootstrap)11:16
keesjcat test | ssh myhost nd4sun11:16
pupnikmy os2008 doesn't have it in the busybox11:17
qwerty12pupnik: md5sum binary :
* pupnik bows to qwerty12 11:18
keesjnapsy_: are you doin that within the sbox target?11:19
napsy_keesj, yes11:19
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pupnikerghblhch.. hope the next tablet has more space for rootfs11:25
pupnikfdupes would be nice to have (find duplicate files)11:28
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qwerty12pupnik: does sound useful actually,
* pupnik hops up and down grinning11:31
pupnikthank you11:32
qwerty12no problem :)11:32
pupnikwas trying to do it with shellscript and not getting anywhere (busybox)11:33
qwerty12yeah, busybox sh really sucks. I installed zap's bash2 from extras and then replaced the bash binary with bash311:33
qwerty12I finally have a history command :)11:34
qwerty12lmao, look at the fdupes makefile:
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pupniksweet, helped me clean out 100 MB of dupes11:36
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timelessmeh, just install zsh11:40
qwerty12that reminds me, I need to install dash and use it for init scripts11:40
timelessgood luck w/ that11:41
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qwerty12It can't be worse than busybox sh :>11:42
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alsorbash3? lol11:44
alsorhi, qwerty12 : I found a screenshot, do u success to config the network under xp with diablo?11:46
qwerty12alsor: no, that's using usb_serial11:46
alsoroh, not g_ether...11:47
qwerty12No module, plug in the usb cable to the N800 and the computer thinks it's a serial device11:47
alsorok, let me c..11:47
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alsoraha, sounds good. just like the eval board..11:50
aquatixqwerty12: why's that a bmp with a jpg extension? :)11:51
aquatix[ ]11:52
* aquatix prefers png for screenshots11:52
qwerty12aquatix: crap, I must have shoved a jpg extension in paint with jpg file type >.<. I'll change that11:53
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qwerty12aquatix: thanks for that, I was wondering why that image loaded slowly11:57
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qwerty12johnx: your cron build is working perfectly, thanks12:03
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aquatixqwerty12: yeah, same here :)12:09
qwerty12changed it now to png :)12:09
aquatixah, that's a lot better12:10
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* qwerty12 quite likes running uptimed on his tablet :). It now makes me not want to remove the battery :D12:11
aquatixooh, there's a daemon for that?12:13
qwerty12Though it seems my N800 clock is an hour forward12:13
* aquatix runs ntpd for that ;)12:14
aquatixuptimed is on
qwerty12I just ran rdate :)12:14
qwerty12aquatix: no :(. I built my own debs and then modified everything once it was installed on the tablet to work with maemo oddities :/12:15
qwerty12cron runs a script once an hour to upload my current uptime to that server while filtering out rubbish12:15
qwerty12if I had dpkg-repack on the tablet, I'd have shared the debs12:16
aquatixat least it won't make me not want to not reboot the device ;)12:17
qwerty12Hehe, I'll see what I can in regards to sharing uptimed. I had to manually hack /var/lib/dpkg/status to change some of the dependencies so that it would install :/12:18
qwerty12Then I had to hack the postinst scripts etc12:18
aquatixmeh, sounds too much work for me ;)12:18
qwerty12Heh, yeah, I only wanted uptimed after I installed the full procps on my tablet for some reason12:19
qwerty12ssh makes it so easy for me to replace crap busybox things12:19
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aquatix <- that'd be so cool...12:22
qwerty12You know Nokia will never make an UIQ version :P12:22
qwerty12(if that was real of course)12:22
aquatixah :)12:22
aquatixgood memory ;)12:22
* aquatix is oggling a nokia e71 though12:23
aquatixbut i'll run my se m600i in the ground first12:23
aquatixso that'd mean an upgrade in 2012 or something12:23
qwerty12Come to london and play javelin with the phone12:23
aquatixwhy in London?12:24
qwerty12London 2012 Olympics12:24
aquatixah :P12:24
aquatixwell, i prefer doing that somewhat sooner then, and getting an e71 while that device is still new ;)12:27
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* qwerty12 packages bootchart for maemo, may as well see if using dash makes a difference :>12:51
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Jaffaqwerty12: oooh, need pretty graph online12:56
qwerty12:). Just updating the debian package to the latest svn, fingers crossed I won't need to hax the status file to install psmisc :)12:58
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qwerty12It wants java packages for the graph part, I'll build without that, the website works to convert the tgz into graph :)12:59
oilinki3aquatix: I wonder would the Ntropic sync be possible to do with syncml-server or similar?13:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: the website doesnt work for me, i just have a bootchart-view installation on my ubuntu13:03
qwerty12Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll do the same :)13:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: works fine without dependancies atleast13:04
korgothhm, anyone good with maemo mapper around? :)13:05
qwerty12Stskeeps: yeah, but I'm building the latest svn :)13:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: rcS has something about bootchart btw13:07
Stskeepsmy observation was that /tmp is not hospitable to bootchart due to it being 512k so you need to edit /sbin/bootchartd to place it otherwise13:08
qwerty12Stskeeps: yeah, good point, I'll go with /var/tmp :)13:09
Stskeepsi'd personally just go with using the 32mb tmpfs mount it offers when the mktemp thing doesnt work :P13:09
Stskeeps(if [ -z something ])13:09
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Stskeepsodd observation of the day - screen dimmed, run reboot (no dsme reboot), restart doesnt happen, screen stays off but n800 appears dead13:14
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* Stskeeps wonders if he should take another crack at ublet or not.13:21
qwerty12ublet? lol13:21
qwerty12oh, ubuntu13:21
Stskeepsi had ubuntu 7.10 booting at tablet in summer13:21
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Stskeepsbut not sure if 7.10 even has any interest as it's not as complete as the debian armel port13:23
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Stskeepsand since moblin moved to a fedora base ubuntu mobile seems to move a bit to a dead end.13:24
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qwerty12Well, it installed but it didn't run on bootup :>. Lemme see what needs changing13:25
qwerty12"/etc/init.d/bootchart: line 32: /lib/init/ No such file or directory"13:26
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qwerty12Hmm, it's in initscripts package. Lemme see if I can work around that.13:27
Stskeepsqwerty12: looks interesting13:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: it does, thanks for that :)13:28
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qwerty12I made a fake because I can't figure out that bootchart-logger.c website :P13:35
Stskeepsyeah, it stumped me a bit afterwards13:36
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Italodancei will kill myself now13:38
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Stskeepsyou damaged your tablet?13:39
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Italodance90210 is not available on the scene  :"""(13:39
Italodancehave u ever watched it?13:40
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Stskeepsyes, i have13:40
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Stskeepsthat reminds me a bit of a quote by eddie izzard: "if a woman falls over wearing high heels, that's embarassing. if a bloke falls over wearing high heels - he has to kill himself."13:41
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Italodancewhy isn't it on scene?13:42
Italodanceah i am notlucky13:42
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ItalodanceStskeeps u always watch it ?13:47
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qwerty12Stskeeps: - ran it and dsme shut off the n800 :D.13:47
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Stskeepsqwerty12: lovely13:48
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* Stskeeps just bricked his deblet through installing runit13:48
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qwerty12ouch :/13:50
Stskeepshehe, okay, bricked is a hard word, just didnt start up properly ;)13:52
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pupnikcall it 'pillowed'13:58
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aquatixoilinki: syncml could help quite a bit yeah14:03
aquatixnot sure whether everything would be possible with it14:03
Italodancelol 1 of the cast is persian14:03
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Khertan_n810syncml sucks !14:09
lcukKhertan, yes, it sucks data from a specified url14:09
Khertan_n810do you have read the protocol rtf ?14:10
lcukno, but itsnt it xml and enterprisey?14:10
Khertan_n810opendocument from microsoft is xml too14:11
Khertan_n810this doesn t mean it s a good format14:11
lcukok, point taken14:11
lcukits enterprisey though :)14:11
JaffaSyncML's the best we've got, though14:11
Khertan_n810it s too much complex14:11
lcukits not meant to be good, its meant to be standard14:11
JaffaIt's like democracy - it's the worst form of government; except for the others14:12
Khertan_n810no compatibility with old protocol version14:12
lirinicely put Jaffa14:12
lcukKhertan, i have the exact same issues regarding sketches14:12
Khertan_n810too much complex so implentation differ from software client/server14:12
lcuktheres an over the top xml spec out there for me to ignore14:13
Khertan_n810this mean when you write a client it work only for some servers14:14
liriKhertan: how it goes with google cal/contacts/notebook sync?14:14
Khertan_n810liri: mCalendar is ready for summit14:15
pupniko/ Khertan_n810 :)14:15
Khertan_n810mContact: i m rewriting the ui14:15
pupnikis someone gonna blog the summit?14:15
* lcuk is nowhere near ready, but a lot closer after last night14:15
lcukpupnik, hi def video is being taken14:15
Khertan_n810and mMemo is still in my brain14:15
lcukmmmmDinner is on mine14:16
Khertan_n810or mNotes14:17
Khertan_n810still not sure for the name14:17
liriKhertan: ok so what are you doing wasting your time chatting with us here? go finish up mMemo!14:17
liriKhertan: mNotes does sound better14:17
liriKhertan: :)14:17
Khertan_n810coding while walking in the street isn t secure14:17
liriKhertan: same goes for not watching where you're going while typing the keyboard :P14:18
lcukits secure, but instead of a compilation error you walk into a lamppost14:18
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*** GAN800 changes topic to "Sprint 4 review today in #maemo-meeting @ 1900 UTC logs will be available from | | | logs at |"14:19
Khertan_n810hum could you the summit program to the topic too ?14:20
GAN800Logs may eventually be available. . . .14:20
GAN800Could probably use a fallback logger with X-Fade on vacation.14:20
Khertan_n810not a link but the text of the programm ?14:21
pupnikIt's big, it's heavy, it's wood.14:21
Khertan_n810come back to office14:21
GAN800Summit's in the topic, you can add the program as well if you want, but we don't want the topic too big.14:21
Khertan_n810GAN800: it was a joke :)14:21
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aquatixwtf, i created an account for, but it won't let me log in14:28
aquatixer, or it did create one for garage and doesn't let me in at maemo.org14:29
* aquatix just wants
inzaqua, remove s from https14:29
aquatixhm, k14:30
aquatix linked me to http14:31
lcukaquatix, i keep getting similar frustrations whenever i go near bugzilla14:31
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lcukim a member of maemo, and the garage but i cant file  bug reports \@/ single sign in14:31
lcukand i cant file a bug report to say that..14:31
aquatixhm, with http i get the normal page (after waiting a while)14:31
GAN800lcuk, just create a goddamn bugzilla account.14:33
GAN800Unified accounts are entirely pointless until we have single sign-on, which isn't coming soon.14:34
lcukgan, whenever i go near bugzilla ive got a problem or am trying to respond to someone elses problem14:34
lcukim not there to setup extra accounts14:34
GAN800lcuk, then stfu14:34
GAN800If you can't take 30 seconds to register, then you don't have any complaining rights.14:35
GAN800if you feel like coding up a single sign-on system, feel more than free.14:35
lcuki am merely pointing out the fact other places seem to handle it nicely and an account on the main site is the same as an acocunt on the other things14:36
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GAN800lcuk, that's not just something you flip a switch on.14:37
GAN800There's a lot involved in setting up somerthing like that that'll actually work with Downloads, gforge, bugzilla, the wiki, etc, etc, etc.14:37
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GAN800While it would be convenient, taking 30 seconds to register wont kill you.14:38
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lcukGAN800, sorry for running (im at work) i only mentioned about it :) im intelligent enough to know when i need it ill sign up, doesnt mean i cant moan about it occasionally15:09
lcukim english, i like to moan, infact i think its going to be one of the new events at the 2012 olympics15:10
JaffaAlong with queuing15:10
lcukoh yer jaffa15:10
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* lcuk goes properly now, busy afternoon ahead15:13
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GAN800Hrm, guess I'm gonna miss the sprint today.15:19
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* qwerty12_N800 lunges at bootchart with a fucking knife15:30
GAN800A fucking knife? How amorous. :P15:31
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qwerty12_N800It kept hanging the boot >.<15:32
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Khertan1Hi !15:39
Khertan1I ve just see that google will release a browser today ...15:39
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GAN8001Hi, guenther.15:44
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guentherGeneral, heya.15:45
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: what is inside a bootchart tgz?15:47
guentherGAN800: Progressing through your website/bugzilla bugs. It would kind of help if you stop spotting new issues. ;)15:48
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: stats and such15:49
Stskeepsdoesnt matter really, the java thing tar zxfs it15:50
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: Mind giving me a list of the files? I've got files made by bootchart but no tgz to go with it and i was wondering if these are the right files :)15:51
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GAN8001guenther, just file the new ones to /dev/null? ;)15:57
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* GAN8001 waits for the tablet to get itself out of retard-mode.15:58
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guentherActually, I like those bugs. And it's good someone out there spots the wrong branding and stuff.15:59
GAN8001Prepare for the suffering when things get rolling on the new look. ;)16:00
GAN8001Though that's zero progress so far16:00
GAN8001hopefully somebody'll kick off some discussion at the Summit.16:00
pupnikdarn you nokia, you got me using fingers on the tablet now16:01
guentheroh, yeah, a new look will be lots of work...16:01
GAN8001God damn sfdisk16:01
GAN8001It makes my brain hurt16:01
qwerty12_N800~lart render.bootchart.org16:03
* infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at render.bootchart.org16:03
StskeepsGAN8001: parted port exists too16:03
Stskeepsless braindamage16:03
GAN8001Stskeeps is it in Extras?16:03
Stskeepsno, because i am not inclined to go through that process. but it's at
Stskeepscfdisk is also there, which is okay too :P16:04
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Stskeepsalso it's a bit of a hacky package so it would never make it through autobuilder as it doesn't 100% compile on scratchbox16:06
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: automate the hacks in debian/rules :p16:07
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: pft. i'm a dpkg-deb --build man16:08
Stskeepssyntatic sugar are for wussies!16:08
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qwerty12_N800dpkg-buildpackage ftw :p. i just use dpkg-deb to repack a file :p16:09
* jott reveals Stskeeps hidden fetish for using .install files16:09
Stskeepshehe. the .install files are only because people wanted them :P16:10
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: if i was to put bootchartd on maemo i'd use my linuxrc hack, which would run sbin/bootchartd instead, and change the target directory to somewhere else than /tmp16:12
* qwerty12_N800 will upload my bootchart of maemo booting using bash 3.2.39 and maemo booting using dash in an hour. I know you all cant wait...16:12
jott                  target directory to somewhere else than /tmp                                                                                                borism16:13
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: the way i've got it working is pretty fucked anyway :/16:13
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qwerty12_N800it saves in /bootchart, no tgz and no header file16:14
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: maemo booting with dash vs busybox could be interesting16:14
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yer, but i don't want to resymlink busybox back to sh :p16:15
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GAN8001Hi, sjgadsby.16:18
sjgadsbyIt appears my N800 died on its charger last night.16:18
GAN8001Bricked or no battery?16:18
sjgadsbyI've tried two batteries and three chargers, and it shows no signs of life.16:19
qwerty12_N800sjgadsby: Was it running diablo?16:20
GAN8001You didn't overwrite NOLO, did you? :P16:20
qwerty12_N800That counts out the messed bootloader then :/16:20
sjgadsbyHeh. No. I haven't played with NOLO.16:20
sjgadsbyI haven't even set it to boot off an SD card.16:21
* GAN8001 isn't sure how he should feel about having to use his N800 to partition and format an SD card for the Beagle.16:22
jottGAN8001: good? :)16:23
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lcuksjgadsby, power spike  during the night? are other devices in the house flashing/been reset?16:23
GAN8001I have a feeling I may end up using Deblet it install Debian to it, too. . . .16:23
GAN8001Not entirely sure how that'll work out, though.16:23
StskeepsGAN8001: you might as well debootstrap raw debian.. much of the deblet stuff is because of tablet support16:24
Stskeeps(if you're speaking of the beagle)16:24
sjgadsbylcuk: I thought of that, but there were no storms last night, the charger was connected to a surge suppressor, and none of the devices in the house that go funny at the smallest power flicker were needing to be reset this morning.16:25
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sjgadsbyNo, I bought it in Jan/Feb of 2007.16:26
lcuksjgadsby, oooer ok then, and i gather no signs of life does infact mean you see and hear nothing from the device no matter what you do16:26
GAN8001Doesn't sound good.16:26
lcuknot a flicker or a whirr or a humm16:26
GAN8001Blue LED is the thing to watch out for.16:26
qwerty12_N800Though I really wouldn't recommend it and have never tried it, some report success by shoving it in a freezer...16:26
ItalodanceStskeeps are u there?16:26
sjgadsbylcuk: Nothing. The LED never lights, the screen never shows anything. The screen backlight doesn't even turn on.16:27
GAN8001qwerty12_N800, that would be the timing issue with pre-51-316:27
GAN8001sjgadsby, well, I'd start by leaving it on the charger for at least 8 hours.16:27
GAN8001If nothing after that, sounds like it's time to replace. . . .16:27
lcuksjgadsby, then i think you might need to look into qwerty12_N800's suggestion16:27
StskeepsItalodance: sortof16:27
lcukas much as it pains me, out of warranty and totally dead - what else can you do...16:27
ItalodanceStskeeps                   Original Air Date:2 September 2008 (Season 1, Episode 1) ???????16:28
Italodanceare u sure watched it?16:28
mikkov_nolo == embarrassing btw ;)16:28
Italodanceso it will be on the scene today!16:28
StskeepsItalodance: no, i haven't watched the sequel and i kinda don't want to16:28
sjgadsbyGAN8001: Yeah, I have it sitting on the USB charger now (it was on the A/C charger last night). It's charging (maybe?) the battery that wasn't in it last night.16:28
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lcuksjgadsby, where boutrs in the world are you?16:29
sjgadsbylcuk: Pennsylvania, USA.16:29
lcukwhats the  weather been like, no chance of an ovenright shower pissin all over your machine or something like that?16:29
qwerty12_N800sjgadsby: Are you good with hacking hardware?16:29
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sjgadsbylcuk: The weather has been beautiful. No rain.16:30
lcukapart from the sole teardrop falling from your eye upon the sight of  your dead nokia16:31
sjgadsbyqwerty12_N800: I have a continuity tester, a digital multimeter, and a soldering iron, and I was in an electronic kit building club in high school, but no, beyond "oh look, that wire's clearly disconnected" I'm no hardware guy.16:32
lcukcheck the output from thee battery16:32
qwerty12_N800sjgadsby: ah ok :/16:32
lcuktake out of device16:32
lcuki hope i never have to have a conversation like this16:32
lcukcrap, bbl16:33
sjgadsbylcuk: I'll grab my multimeter and whatnot at lunch. I've nothing here at work.16:33
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sjgadsbyMaybe that DealExtreme USB charger that melted down a few months back did do some damage. Heh.16:36
Kegetyscould just be a dead battery, I think my N810 didnt turn on at all without the battery in16:37
Kegetysas in, even with the carger plugged in :)16:37
GAN8001Yeah, but several dead batteries?16:37
GAN8001Urg, you really need the diablo-sdk repo for Deblet, Stskeeps?16:38
StskeepsGAN8001: i wish i didn't, sec, lemme just see what package it was for16:39
qwerty12_N800sjgadsby: the tablets are pretty resilient. i connected my n800 to the xbox with a really dodgy usb 2 joypad converter, usb still works fine. connected my n800 to the plug using a really dodgy nokia charger made from splicing the end of the new charger connector onto the plug of an old nokia charger. charging still works.16:39
GAN8001Why does never want to participate when I actually want to use it? . . .16:40
sjgadsbyqwerty12_N800: Yes, I'm hoping that leaving it on a different charger with a different battery will bring it back. If not, it'll be time to try the whole ritual sacrifice thing.16:41
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StskeepsGAN8001: ah - because of binutils16:43
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Stskeepsthat's why we need it16:43
* liri has to port netbsd 3.X kernel code/modules to linux 2.416:43
liriaewww, such a lousy job :p16:43
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GAN8001The Deblet installer is quite impressive.16:48
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: that reminds me, can i still use my own bootmenu.conf entries with your initfs.16:49
qwerty12_N800sorry to be a prick about it16:49
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah, you may need to edit it a bit16:52
Stskeepsyou can always make *.items yourself16:52
Stskeepsit's damn easy16:53
* GAN8001 hadn't touched Debian since johnx's last tgz release.16:53
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GAN8001I should pick up another 16GB card and partition it out to have lots of interesting things to boot from.16:54
qwerty12_N800ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want yo lose that :)16:54
Stskeepswe also support boot-from-file on vfat btw16:54
liriI really don't know netbsd, would be nice if anyone here has/had some experience16:54
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want to lose that :)16:54
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: else it's a matter of editing bootmenu.conf and simply adding entries and increasing the counter16:55
GAN8001So, folks, we're down to less than 24 hours to submit your community council candidacy announcements.16:56
GAN8001We've got 6 people now, which means only one person can lose.16:56
GAN8001Anybody want to step up?16:56
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: take a look at bootmenu.conf if you haven't already :)16:56
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: cool, will do. i'll resize my ext2 partition and reinstall debian later! :)16:57
GAN8001Do I NEED to install the Deblet bootmenu?16:58
JamieBennettGAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :(16:58
StskeepsGAN8001: it's the best experience, but the stuff to boot from normal bootmenu is still in the init scripts16:58
Stskeepsalso imho it's better to write .item files in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh-bootmenu.d, instead of a static bootmenu conf, but that's just me16:59
GAN8001sjgadsby, might you consider putting in a nomination?17:00
Stskeepsbbl making food17:00
sjgadsbyGAN8001: Hmm? A nomination?17:00
GAN8001For yourself. ;)17:01
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GAN8001Pandora got a bit more expensive. . . .17:15
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rm_youGAN8001: yeah :/ I started using in preparation for pandora's death <_<17:19
rm_youack bbl, late17:19
qwerty12_N800lol, i think pandora as in console :p17:20
GAN8001When I say Pandora, I NEVER mean the music service. ;)17:20
rm_youyeah realized that17:20
KegetysI think Pandora as in Amiga 500 game :P17:20
rm_youits gonna take a bit for me to NOT think of the music service17:20
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andrewfblackhow much is the Pandora going to be now?17:31
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andrewfblackWasn't it supose to be out like last month17:31
GAN8001It was supposed to ship in April.17:31
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GAN8001Now we're looking at December.17:32
andrewfblacklol they are trying to be like a big company I guess lol17:32
GAN8001I hate that Karel has made me feel good about Pandora delays. . . .17:32
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andrewfblackhow did you make you feel good about delays?17:33
ShadowJKpandora the band?17:33
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GAN8001His neverending line of bullshit has ingrained a kneejerk negative response towards the Pandora in me.17:34
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GAN8001ShadowJK, what do you think?17:34
ShadowJKno idea17:34
ShadowJKoh, a console?17:34
ShadowJKI didn't know :-)17:34
andrewfblacklol I don't know what would be worst the fast that everyone things my Nokia is a phone or the fact that everyone is going to thing Pandora is a Nintendo DS :)17:35
andrewfblackIf you never heard of a pandora then youdno't know Karel17:35
ShadowJKwho's karel17:36
andrewfblackIts the only thing he talks about it seems17:36
GAN8001I'm not sure how he thinks it's going to kill the tablets17:36
GAN8001since it doesn't even ship with an OS.17:36
GAN8001and the OMAP3530 bootloader is in a state enough that getting one on it is somewhat time consuming.17:37
andrewfblackGAN8001 thats the best part its so cool it doens't need an OS17:38
glasswell as long thers sw for it..17:38
GAN8001You can get Debian or Ubuntu or Angstrom on it without much trouble.17:39
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Khertan1GAN800: does we know the life battery time of the current proto device ?17:43
lardman~10hrs they say17:43
Khertan1yep ... "they"17:44
Khertan1but noone not a from pandora have try a prototype yet ?17:44
lardmanyep, that's about the size of it17:45
Khertan1if it like UMPC when Microsoft talk about it ... Around 10 Hours ...17:45
Khertan1it s seems not to use the same referential time than us ...17:45
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lardmanit may well be true, stick a big battery in, etc17:45
Khertan1s/not to/they not use17:46
lardmanwhat does the N810 manage? 3hrs of use?17:46
aquatixlardman: more17:46
aquatixlardman: depending of use17:46
Khertan1lardman: huhu really more17:46
Khertan1i ll say 4 hours of videos17:46
andrewfblackI can get 5 hours doing GPS17:46
aquatixyeah, something like that indeed17:46
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lardmanyeah, mine lasts ages, I can't remember what they said the 10hrs was doing17:46
Khertan1and 12 hours at least in wifi surfing the web17:46
andrewfblackI have anice battery pack for mine now so I don't remember last time it was dead17:47
PauloZanoniwhich repository will give me a x11-dev package?17:47
aquatixandrewfblack: well, i don't let mine go dead :)17:47
aquatix`battery low' -> run to power outlet17:48
lardmanPauloZanoni: the standard maemo one used for scratchbox17:49
lardmanI presume17:49
PauloZanonilardman: I just wanted to do a "gcc -lX11 -lXtst" inside the device (not on any other machine or test environment)17:50
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lardmanPauloZanoni: well add the standard repo which is used by the ARM scratchbox target17:51
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PauloZanonilardman: thx. I'll try to find its url =)17:53
lardmanI would tell you but I'm on a Windows box atm, sorry17:54
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PauloZanoniqwerty12: thanks! =)18:03
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Khertan1someone know lorelei ?18:06
Khertan1an itt member18:07
Khertan1does he come on #maemo ?18:07
aquatixsounds like a girl ;)18:07
Stskeeps~seen lorelei18:09
aquatixlaggy bot18:09
infobotlorelei <n=asuka@> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 618d 2h 3m 7s ago, saying: 'sorry, I am busy to watch tv'.18:09
qwerty12woah, infobot is a perv18:09
inzThat's one long tv watching session18:09
* Stskeeps tries installing upstart on deblet and see how it blows up18:10
aquatixqwerty12: why perv?18:10
aquatixqwerty12: stalker-y?18:10
qwerty12aquatix: it keeps track of people that haven't been seen in about ~2 years :p18:10
aquatixah :)18:10
Stskeepsscary, it booted18:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: worked for me in maemo, just shutting down would hang :D18:10
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Khertan1~seen ibot18:15
infobotibot is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 42m 23s) #iteam (1d 12h 42m 23s) ##bspress (1d 12h 42m 23s) #brlcad (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds (1d 12h 42m 23s) #utah (1d 12h 42m 23s) #oe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #zaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #gllug (1d 12h 42m 23s) #pillbox (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds-gpe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #openzaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #silvercat (1d 12h 42m ...18:15
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oilinkiis there any numbers how many people are running maemo mapper on the tablets?18:17
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andre__how to count?18:19
oilinkimaybe downloads?18:19
oilinkiwell. I have no idea how many tablets are out there18:20
qwerty12Stskeeps: replaced sh with dash, maemo-launcher init script is not compatible with it >.<. But the rest is all good and it does seem to be booting faster. let me change maemo-launcher script back to busybox sh.18:20
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* sp3000 sees "Closing old moreinfo bugs in Maemo Bugzilla"18:27
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* sp3000 wonders what additional information such closing adds to the bugs18:28
* timeless notes it's very informative18:28
sp3000I suppose it's ok if not applied too liberally18:28
sp3000and, hm, moreinfo is manual18:29
sp3000yeah, that should be ok as long as it's not an essay18:29
* sp3000 got kneejerk expi rash on first sight18:29
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Khertan_n810someone know if abiword stock a reference to an inserted image or if the image is stored in the file itself18:47
Stskeepsqwerty12: heh, i have a negative effect on deblet when using upstart, that's interesting18:48
Stskeepsthen again nothing is really dependancy-based18:48
qwerty12Heh, atm, I'm fixing scripts that don't like being run by dash >.<18:48
qwerty12maemo-launcher and ke-recv are 2 so far18:48
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qwerty12Seems like it, but busybox's ash runs them fine :/18:51
Stskeepsstuff like = and == or?18:51
qwerty12I can't be bothered to go through the scripts again so ones that are not compatible with dash, I make the 1st line be: #!/bin/busybox sh (on my N800, /bin/sh --> /bin/bash)18:52
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qwerty12I'll set up upstart now :>. My maemo deb is .2.0 out of date. Plus I need to fix it hanging on shutdown18:55
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matmog'day. Can anyone point me to documentation/example for "maemo-version", assuming this is what I need to detect platform/version for conditional compile?19:00
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JaffaHmm, not many last minute council nominations19:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: btw, you know like we have to compile statically for initfs? I saw this: and I wondered if we could get smaller static binaries with it than with uclibc?19:11
lardmanJaffa: how long left?19:12
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Jaffalardman: erm, 23:59 UTC so about 5 hours or so?19:14
lardmanRight, have emailed the list as per the instructions19:14
lardmancu chaps later19:15
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Jaffalardman|gone: ah, cool - thanks19:15
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qwerty12Stskeeps: dash isn't that useful on a tablet, it's missing the builtin source command which is quite vital. osso-system-ui has messed up locales (i.e it won't say shutdown, offline mode etc)19:21
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KnowledgeSooo....about that new internet tablet that's coming out....19:28
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qwerty12lcuk: when you say debiantools, do you mean debianutils?19:30
johnxKnowledge, do you know something I don't?19:31
KnowledgeNah, I was hoping someone else did....19:31
Knowledgedamn it19:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: k19:31
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johnxKnowledge, just do like i do: stalk itt forums and engadget.com19:32
johnxif you want to be more complete follow a couple more tech sites19:32
qwerty12Stskeeps: it will probably do wonders when debian crew use it officially but atm, it's incompatible osso-af which is quite vital :/19:32
johnxone of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about?19:32
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KnowledgeI hope19:33
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johnxs/about?/about :)/19:34
infobotjohnx meant: one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about :)19:34
johnxI really don't know where that "?" came from O_o19:34
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Stskeepsjohnx: is lxde compatible with let's say nm-applet and extensible regarding adding stuff to panels and such? (if i was to make a more "stable" standard environment than nit-env-stskeeps)19:36
johnxStskeeps, I'm pretty sure it has a systray19:37
Stskeepsand how does on screen kbd go with it, if at all?19:37
johnxStskeeps, The window manager is openbox. I need to play with my config a bit before I'm happy I think...19:38
johnxStskeeps, also, have you seen the alternate layout for matchbox-keyboard?19:38
Stskeepsnop? screenshots?19:38
johnxStskeeps, in a couple minutes. :)19:39
Stskeepsmy main experience with m-k is that in some wm's it fits in nicely in the bottom and in others it becomes a window, which goes amok if tried to be resized:P19:39
johnxopenbox is pretty configurable19:39
johnxit has nice support for matching window names/classes and performing actions on certain windows, i.e. maximize, don't decorate, resize, place here19:40
johnxStskeeps, did you see my screenshot last night?19:42
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Stskeepsgah @ isp19:47
johnxI need to play with the way matchbox keyboard gets treated...19:47
Stskeepsjohnx: no, but i'll look at the maemo irc logs19:48
Stskeepsah - yes, i saw that one19:48
Stskeepslooks good - you force all apps to be fullscreen or?19:49
johnxthey're just maximized with their titlebar hidden by default19:49
Stskeepswell, or automatically maximized19:49
johnxYou can get the titlebar back and resize as you see fit on a case-by-case basis19:49
Stskeepslooks good19:50
Stskeepsdoes lxde do libgtkstylus or?19:50
johnxand it's a heck of a lot lighter than xfce19:50
johnxI have it on my zaurus now too :)19:50
Stskeepsif you get bored, nit-env-lxde is still up for grabs ;)19:50
johnxI'll see how far I can get tonight19:51
Stskeepssince deblet definately needs a just as functional environment as beta3 did19:51
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johnxso you're having good results with nm-applet?19:51
Stskeepsi'm not confident it's nm's fault there's occasional unstable wifi or not19:52
Stskeepsother deblet users prefer other ones19:52
johnxwell, deblet is the distro for people who want to paint the shed a different color :D19:52
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johnxok, openbox does not love matchbox-keyboard...I just need to find out why...19:53
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lcukqwerty12, more than likely, yes19:56
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qwerty12lcuk: ahh, because I've got debianutils installed on my tablet for dialog19:56
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qwerty12I used a dirty hack to install it but I may be able to clean it up19:57
Khertan_n810~seen brontide20:01
infobotbrontide is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 26m 22s). Has said a total of 58 messages. Is idling for 13h 33m 55s, last said: 'GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project.  Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me'.20:01
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johnxqwerty12, when did you start using Linux?20:06
rm_youjohnx: johnx! :P20:06
johnx(random question, out of curiosity)20:06
johnxrm_you, :D20:06
Stskeepsqwerty12: remind me when you turn adult to hire you if i have a company :P20:06
johnxrm_you, how go things? and stuff?20:06
qwerty12johnx: about a month after I got my tablet, which was around last year. I'd read tons of linux books before that and had used linux before that but I wasn't serious then :)20:07
qwerty12Stskeeps: :)20:07
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Khertan_n810doing pratice to learn is the best thing to do20:08
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Stskeepsqwerty12: you should set up a donation box, when i was 15 i actually got quite a decent amount of donations in from my work on my irc daemon20:09
Khertan_n810look at me ... i ve never write a line of python before i get my nit20:09
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rm_youjohnx: things and stuff happen. i mentioned we got a neko, i believe... it is very cute :) and starting up classes and things20:09
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Khertan_n810Stskeeps: you are lucky i never get donation for kmeteos20:09
johnxrm_you, did you get the computer situation figured out better?20:09
Khertan_n810except a nice bill from my web host20:10
rm_youworking on routing two internet connections together through one linux box20:10
qwerty12Stskeeps: Wow. I'm not inclined to work for donations :) (though I do want money in my real job when I get one obviously :D)20:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: oh, i don't work for the donations, they just help20:10
rm_youi have a 24port gigabit managed switch :P20:10
qwerty12Khertan_n810: Cool, what did you used to program in?20:10
StskeepsKhertan_n810: i've always managed to get free hosting from people.. perk of it being irc :P20:10
Khertan_n810which send me a 200 dollars bill for bandwith limit20:11
Khertan_n81045000 download the same day20:11
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Stskeepsqwerty12: but if we count donations since i was 15 i think i've gotten atleast ~1500 usd over time20:11
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Stskeepsfor a bloody ircd20:11
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Stskeepsand that doesn't count hosting20:11
qwerty12Stskeeps: that reminds me as I'm doing this, if I did make bootmenu support backing up mtdblock4, I'd have to shove a notice in to remind people to turn on rd mode >.<20:12
Khertan_n810i don t get a donation i get a bill (i ve paid 200 euros)20:12
qwerty12Stskeeps: shit, ~$1500!?!20:12
Khertan_n810and leave them 5 min after20:12
Stskeepsqwerty12: 10 dollar per user does add up20:12
Stskeeps(or more, what they choose to donate)20:12
qwerty12heh, that's brilliant :)20:13
Khertan_n810hum maybe i ll get some donation for mCalendar ?20:13
Khertan_n810hihi ... i don t believe20:13
qwerty12but I don't really have anything to call my own, I just compile other people's programs and search for little hacks20:13
StskeepsKhertan_n810: if you have happy users and it's non-intrusive that you're asking for donations, it might come20:14
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Stskeepsqwerty12: i've gotten 100$ for setting up an ircd on a shell account, don't underestimate the hacks :P20:14
Khertan_n810what do you mean by 'non-intrusive' ?20:14
qwerty12Stskeeps: lol20:14
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* Khertan_n810 his happy ... mCalendar gui is now better, sync log and multi calendar sync are debugged20:16
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Khertan_n810and tomorrow i ll try to do a real ui for mContacts20:16
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StskeepsKhertan_n810: my donation method is basically a paypal button on home page, putting donator name in the credits of programs and a text file stating that "we give you this program for free, but we put a lot of effort, time and money into making this program. If you appreciate this program, you can donate <here>, - anything will do" :P20:17
Stskeepsi've gotten weird hardware at some point too, but it -did- help :P20:17
Khertan_n810brontide: are you here ?20:17
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Khertan_n810Stskeeps: hum used the same method in the past without success20:19
* rm_you goes to pay rent20:19
StskeepsKhertan_n810: you're doing the right thing with mcalendar atleast, you seem to be involved with your users20:20
Stskeepsthen again, i also did support for people quite often, which increased donations20:20
rm_youI really wonder when I'll find time this semester to do the control panel applet portion of ABL <_<20:21
Stskeepsqwerty12: "If you appreciate my work and would like to show it, there's a donation box <here>. Anything will do". I'd actually donate :P20:21
qwerty12Stskeeps: Heh, lol, thanks :)20:22
Khertan_n810Stskeeps: i m trying to do a usefull calendar app for maemo20:22
Stskeepsbut in the end it comes down to that with OSS projects - I get more money off working per week than i get in half a year of donations20:22
StskeepsKhertan_n810: which is bloody needed20:22
Khertan_n810i found that maemo lack from a good calendar20:22
rm_youKhertan_n810: truth20:23
qwerty12great, my rootfs finally dumped, now I can start testing upstart :>20:23
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Stskeepsi would be happy with a decent ical viewer20:23
rm_youi tried to use gpe calendar, but it is only soso20:23
Khertan_n810same things for contacts app20:23
Khertan_n810personnaly i found that using gpe is a real pain20:24
Khertan_n810interface isn t designed for maemo20:24
Stskeepsquote of the day: "and your deblet installer has more dependencies than a sociopath."20:24
Khertan_n810and alarm need that pe work in background20:24
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* rm_you goes to pay rent, *really*20:25
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Stskeepsautomatically transfered through my netbank here20:25
Khertan_n810self.bp_autosync = self.wTree.get_widget("bp_autosync"20:27
Khertan_n810ouch sorry20:27
liricanola can't play videos/music over nfs/sabma yet right?20:31
GAN8001UPnP is better.20:31
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lcukwhat does canola look for to identify images, cos it cant find anything even though i have stuff on my drives?20:32
qwerty12_N800liri: You may be able to mount your smb share and add it to the scanned dirs.20:32
GAN8001You have to add search directories.20:32
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: you happen to know if there's any stuff like blkid to get UUIDs in initfs?20:32
liriGAN8001: : does it support upnp?20:33
GAN8001liri, yes. . . .20:33
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Stskeeps(from block partitions)20:33
lcukahhhh gan, ill go hunting20:33
liriqwerty12_N800: well that's the alternative20:33
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Khertan_n810streaming video is like using a fat16 to write a 4Go file !20:33
liriGAN8001: ahh nice, but I don't know if mythtv supports that and how20:33
GAN8001It should20:33
GAN8001along with transcoding.20:33
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. if busybox has the feature,  compile that statically. i'll compile a blkid binary tomorrow20:34
liriKhertan: finished with nNotes already? :-)20:36
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i'm just thinking it could prolly be better for a bootmenu to look for UUIDs instead of block devices.. so people can switch sd cards etc and we can tell them no such partition etc ;)20:36
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qwerty12_N800i still wonder if dietlibc is smaller than uclibb20:36
* GAN8001 is off20:36
GAN8001Have fun with the Sprint. ;)20:36
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: hehe20:36
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liriKhertan: I'm just enjoying bugging you, ignore my comments. Is there a way I can help though?20:36
StskeepsKhertan_n810: your screenshots on are broken btw20:37
Khertan_n810the css too20:38
Khertan_n810where do you get this url ?20:38
Khertan_n810the right is :
Stskeepswas referred to it from garage project20:39
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Khertan_n810hum ... it s sad20:39
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liriKhertan: when it "syncs" to google calendar, does it download all calendar items?20:40
Khertan_n810it do it the first time20:40
Khertan_n810but after i just look at the updated one20:41
ToyKeeperIs there any way to flash a n810 without a USB cable?20:41
StskeepsToyKeeper: internally from tablet, maybe20:41
liriKhertan: but still, is there a way to limit it to download from date x to date y?20:42
ToyKeeperJust curious; I got one slightly used and everything except the cable is included.  Not sure if I need to go buy one.20:42
Stskeepsit's a fairly standard usb cable afaik20:42
ToyKeeperYeah, it's just a size I don't have.20:42
lcuktoykeeper, ive used about 3 times - twice for flashing, and once to play with a usb keyboard (before going out getting a bt one)20:43
lcukused mine ^20:43
Khertan_n810Stskeeps: thx for the broken link20:43
Khertan_n810i ve just updated garage20:43
ToyKeeperYeah, I don't expect to use it much.  But I do want to flash it once in a while.20:43
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lcukToyKeeper, get yourself a replacement from nokia or elsewhere then20:44
Stskeepsso what does people think about bounty-based projects? having a base project, and then if X people put in a bounty (money) for a certain feature to be added, and developer Y implements feature, users X agrees this is what they wanted and the money then flows to developer Y?20:45
liriKhertan: so what about that calendar sync? I'm asking because I use like 10 calendars altogether and they're pretty large. I wouldn't want to be downloading hundreds of megabyte worth of data (even if it's one time).20:46
lcukStskeeps, thats the way it should be :) once a developer begins taking in outside requests to do code he himself would not undertake on his own back, his time should be compensated - OSS doesnt prevent that, it just gives more people the opportunity to assist20:47
Stskeepsi'm looking a bit at
Stskeepsseems interesting20:48
PebbyStskeeps: ;)20:48
melmothI am happy to announce a first usable demo of sayhoo (a "find your route with a rentabike in paris" application) :-)20:49
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Stskeepsit could be an interesting method to induce tablet programming atleast20:55
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mikkov_melmoth: sayhoo looks interesting. Where does it get it's routing data?20:56
lcukStskeeps, i believe there is a bounty section on the garage20:57
Stskeepsi'd never trust garage with money though :P but that's just me20:58
jottStskeeps: i already recieved a bounty for a garage project :D.20:59
melmothmikkov_: open street maps21:00
jottthe system works :).21:00
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jottbut encouraging others to pay a bounty is nice as a little incentive.21:02
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liriok got upnp up on mythtv, now to figure out how to get it working on canola21:16
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: btw, mmc block numbers are funky in maemo :
Stskeepsoh bloody hell21:27
Stskeeps-that's- what that fix is for21:27
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qwerty12_N800lol, you removed it!?!21:28
Stskeepsno, i didn't use INT_CARD/EXT_CARD21:28
qwerty12_N800lol, i'll wait for you to fix before installing debian again :)21:29
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: what partition size would you recommend for deblet? atm i've got a 2gb partition21:31
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i run with 1.8-9gb or something21:31
johnxI guess it depends on how many things you want to compile...21:31
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mikkov_melmoth: so sayhoo should work in other cities than Paris too21:32
melmothbut, if it s bigger than paris, chances are there will be not enough ram on the tablet21:32
mikkov_luckily helsinki isn't bigger than paris ;)21:33
melmothmikkov_: you can 'easily' prepare the same for helsinky wiht the tools directory21:33
melmothfirst look at feed-osm-db.py21:34
melmothat the bottom, change the settinfs so it match a retangle containing helsinky21:34
melmothlaunch it, it will download info from openstreetmap, and create the database.21:34
melmothdo the same with downloadtiles.py21:35
mikkov_ok, going to try it21:35
melmothand , then , you also need to prepare a pickle jar. with create-pickle.py21:35
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melmoththe pickle jar is the graph of street and ways so that python can load it without having to compute it live again21:36
melmothfinally, i think in you have to tell where to start from (as far as displaying the tiles are concerned)21:37
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andrewfblackif anyone is interested looks like google chrome is out21:57
lardmanis there an url?21:58
lardmanAnyone have a recommendation for a windiff (i.e. graphical diff) for Gnome?21:58
lardmanlol, easy as that21:58
andrewfblackinstalling now21:59
andrewfblackgot to love it it will even install on my work computer which doens't have admin access :)21:59
Juhazlardman, meld21:59
johnxyay! windows only! woo!21:59
lardmanJuhaz: great, looks ideal :)22:00
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andrewfblacklol well only think I have done with it so far is itt forums and the funny thing it they do seem to run better22:02
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liriis mediaserv from mediautils supposed to be a upnp server?22:05
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Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: damnit, now i have to refactor a hell lot of stuff to make this stuff :P22:07
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qwerty12-N800Stskeeps: lol, ouch, i just thought you would have to do a sed :p22:08
lardmanJuhaz: works really well, many thanks22:09
Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: i wish22:10
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jottso anyone ported chrome to maemo yet? :>22:16
johnxjott,'s not even out for linux :P22:17
PebbyI have several libraries compiling in scratchbox and I would like to make debian packages to get them on my n810 easily - is there a good way to build them all as one super-package, or do they have to be separate ones?22:17
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ToyKeeperHeard of any fitaly keyboards for maemo?22:19
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jottjohnx: wonder what's missing :), download takes quite a while 450mb..22:22
jottand only 450kb/s...22:22
jottthe source, yes.22:24
jottprobably includes test cases etc.22:24
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johnxi wonder if they wrote their own toolkit or if they're using xul or what...22:25
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RST38hthey are using webkit22:28
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jottRST38h: that does not tell much about the toolkit used..22:31
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lcukit lasted about 3 seconds22:32
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RST38hjott: means that they are likely to have something on their own22:36
RST38hjott: my guess - javascript-based22:36
RST38h"Google Chrome relies on Apple's WebKit software for rendering Web pages, he said" -- does WebKit belong to Apple now?22:37
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andrewfblackI need to find me a good portable IRC Client For Windows I hate using mibbit.22:44
liripidgin for windows is nice22:44
andrewfblackI forgot it has IRC Client in it, Its already installed on my thumb drive lol22:45
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liripidgin has like everything in it :)22:49
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andrewfblackcan't get pidgin to connect to freenode.net22:56
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RST38hdon't - it will suck anyway22:59
RST38hget xchat22:59
andrewfblackI need something I can run from a USB Stick since I can't install most applications at work23:00
* lcuk makes a note to lock down usb on andrews computer tomorrow23:00
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* lcuk also notes "" is not a work related domain23:01
andrewfblackyeah I have access to anywhere on web just don't have admin writes to install23:01
andrewfblacksome things install fine some don't23:01
lcuktell me about it, i had a tough time installing the latest botnet on my work machine23:02
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andrewfblackthe heck with it I'll just stick with mibbit23:03
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* qwerty12-N800 just haxed my school computers, i install whatever23:04
mavhcmirc will run portably iirc23:04
andrewfblackMirc will run but it heard it doesn't save your settings or anything that might not be write not sure23:05
coffeeHi. any gtk+ gurus here that aren't on #gkt+? is it possible somehow to left align text (and pixmap) on a toggle button?23:05
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lcukandrewfblack, run mirc in a writable environment, get the settings as you want them23:07
lcukthen transfer to usb?23:07
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ToyKeeperYay, pidgin is still broken in the same way as it was 5 years ago...  it can't grok multiple connections to the same server.23:11
ToyKeeper(as happens with dircproxy)23:11
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Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: was a bit more than sed but i think i made it now.. ugliest code of my life23:15
qwerty12-N800Stskeeps: w00t, great :)23:16
Stskeepsupdating installerdeb once i've tried to boot using the resulting boot menu items23:16
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qwerty12-N800cool, i want to install deblet again :)23:16
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Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: odd question. wouldn't this bug probably also mean that there could be a situation where suddenly my indicated swap partition would change places?23:19
Stskeeps(and why did i just have a deja-vu about this?)23:19
qwerty12-N800Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. i only use a swap file on the tablet23:20
Stskeepsi guess linux would refuse to use it if it wasnt mkswap'ed23:21
Stskeepselse it could potentially trash partitions23:21
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liriis anybody using the gpe suite?23:23
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timelyxRST38h: webkit was always an apple product23:24
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timelyxkhtml was the older upstream23:24
timelyxRST38h: it's like saying microb uses Mozilla's Gecko23:25
timelyxwhich it does23:25
timelyxjohnx: v8 would need to be ported to arm23:25
RST38htimelyx: yes, but what about konqueror codebase?23:25
* melmoth use gpe calendar and contatcs23:26
timelyxRST38h: that's khtml last i checked23:26
RST38htimelyx: I seem to remember that Apple's Safari rendering engine is taken from konqueror23:26
jottwell it's a matter of "respect" if you tell it's origin...23:27
RST38htimelyx: Is WebKit the same thing or something new?23:27
jottwebkit is a fork of khtml with many changes23:27
timelyxwebkit is the branding of apple's branch of khtml23:27
timelyxthey did quite a lot of changes to khtml23:27
timelyxand expected they couldn't possibly upstream them all23:27
RST38hso it is no longer the original thing23:27
RST38hand apple can rightfully claim the ownership23:28
timelyxfrom day 0 they didn't  expect it to be called khtml23:28
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jotttimelyx: mainly because apple did not collaborate in the development process.. :/23:28
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timelyxjott: apple like google works in secret23:29
timelyxin fact, amusingly a number of the people who worked on safari and chrome23:29
jottwell now webkit is open..23:29
PebbyAnyone know if there's an easy way to set up scratchbox to allow chrooting? I'd like to compile a bunch of things, chroot, install them there, then rsync to my n810... making debian packages already feels unwieldy =/23:29
timelyxused to work together on firefox23:29
timelyxdave hyatt, ben goodger, mike pinkerton23:29
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timelyxPebby: scratchboxes are chroots23:29
timelyxyou can't really have another layer23:30
Pebbytimelyx: I assumed as much, but I can't go in one deeper?23:30
jottPebby: you can use   scratchbox -t $DIR $COMMAND23:30
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Pebbytimelyx: Fair enough... I suppose I will just have to configure all these things I'm installing to install to some weird path then rsync to that?23:31
jottfrom your host env23:31
timelyxdepends what you're really trying to do23:31
Pebbyjott: sorry, I'm a big newbie with scratchbox - what's that do?23:31
jottPebby: basically it's like chroot $DIR $COMMAND23:31
jott(not really, as $DIR is not set as root but as the dir to go to)23:32
Pebbytimelyx: Well, I have several libraries I want to compile for the n810. They make tons and tons of files, and I'd like to have them all in one place so I can rsync them over to my n810 where I actually want to use them23:32
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PebbyAnd building debian packages has been mostly frustrating to me... it seems like an unwieldy way to get my compiled stuff to the n810 too23:33
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andrewfblackreleasing first version of my newest theme tongiht23:35
andrewfblackIts an Xmen theme23:35
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jottPebby: if you are just "porting" libraries for now it is *really* better to build debian packages.23:39
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timelyxok, fwiw v8 is available for arm23:43
timelyxso in theory chrome would have some chance of working on linux-arm23:43
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jotttimelyx: well when we have some basic linux support at all :)23:43
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Stskeepsqwerty12-N800: installerdeb 1.2-7 has fix :)23:44
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jottwould still be interesting to see how well v8 performs on arm.23:45
qwerty12-N800Stskeeps: thanks :)23:45
jott ..23:45
Pebbyjott: Okay, thank you for the suggestions. I think with some scripting I can set up a nice, updating thing... of course I'm porting something that's actively being updated by other people too ;)23:46
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Stskeepsoh, funky, v8's primarily developed 10 meters from my office23:46
||cwwait, google has their own browser?23:46
Stskeeps(recognizing some google employees)23:46
jottPebby: btw i use -> alias sb='scratchbox -d "$(pwd | sed s/\\/scratchbox\\/users\\/$(whoami)//)"'23:47
jottso i can just prefix "sb make" when i am in the /scratchbox/user/$USER/home/$USER dir23:47
Pebbyjott: nice, that's much easier than entering the environment23:48
jottStskeeps: you work for google?23:48
Stskeepsjott: no, google has offices across the road from where i work at uni - IT cluster in town23:48
jottah, k.23:48
Pebbyjott: One thing I've also found is that I have to change my 'march' CFLAG from arm to armv5 when building some things under sbox... is that odd?23:49
jottactually it should work without it. but who knows what build system might fail :)23:50
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Pebbyjott: Hehe, the only info on it I could find online (it fails on a very particular thing) is that the binary wouldn't work if maemo were running on something maemo does not run on ;)23:51
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Khertgan_againi ve just tested chrome23:56
Khertgan_againseems to be a nice browser23:56
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