| GAN800 | I might buy one of those EyeFi cards for kicks. | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | I would love a beagleboard with a little more ports | 00:01 |
| GAN800 | Gumstix has an OMAP3530 board coming. | 00:01 |
| GAN800 | That'll probably be what you're after | 00:01 |
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| GAN800 | Though the Rev.D Beagle might be too. | 00:02 |
| * XTL parsed that as "Reverend Beagle" | 00:03 | |
| sp3000 | reverend d. beagle! | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, does anyone know about a rs232 adaptor that works with the n8x0 ? | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | crashanddie, http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | You'll have to build one. | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | why the fuck do you the picture of an alien | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | One more closeup coming down the pipe. . . . | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | The horseshoe crab? | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab | 00:12 |
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| crashanddie | holy shit: A single horseshoe crab can be worth $2,500 over its lifetime for periodic blood extractions. | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wtf is in their blood? | 00:15 |
| mavhc | tasty tasty crab blood | 00:16 |
| mavhc | for the nautical vampire | 00:16 |
| XTL | craab people | 00:16 |
| GAN8001 | The flickr export plugin for Aperture is the slowest thing ever. | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | Circuit Porn!! | 00:26 |
| GAN8001 | Finally, the closeup: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2819239690/ | 00:26 |
| RST38h | More circuit porn! | 00:27 |
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| UtopiahGHML | hi #maemo :) | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Using just tx/rx wires will lower your rs232 throughoutput | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | Apparently that's all that's implemented | 00:29 |
| GAN8001 | I just need enough to tell it to boot from the SD, though. | 00:29 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:33 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 00:36 |
| RST38h | May well be - a lot of SoCs do not provide flow control | 00:36 |
| RST38h | larrrdman | 00:36 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 00:37 |
| RST38h | Anybody knows *when* AGPS updates it info? I have changed the location on the map, but it does not seem to have fetched new data | 00:37 |
| lardman | anyone know how I display the files in a given package? | 00:37 |
| RST38h | Oops. It just did. =) | 00:37 |
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| lardman | s/display/list | 00:37 |
| jott | lardman: dpkg-query -L package | 00:37 |
| lardman | i.e. using apt or dpkg | 00:38 |
| RST38h | lardman: dpkg | 00:38 |
| lardman | jott: cool, thanks | 00:38 |
| jott | (this works only for installed packages) | 00:38 |
| lardman | yep, that's what I was after | 00:38 |
| RST38h | dpkg -L to be exact | 00:38 |
| lardman | Anyone here have the dsp-sbc packages installed? | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i have the tar.gz + bluz-utils deb | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bluez even | 00:39 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: Could you tell me the modification date of /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbluetooth.so please? | 00:39 |
| * lardman has a later testing version installed, but needs some way of working out if the dsp version is installed for this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&page=25&highlight=a2dp | 00:40 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: give me a sec :) | 00:40 |
| lardman | np | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 6th July | 00:41 |
| lardman | thanks | 00:42 |
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| * lardman looks for a mono file that he can bear listening to ;) | 00:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: you know the one I sent is all good :p | 00:47 |
| lardman | hmmm :) | 00:47 |
| * qwerty12_N800 meanwhile tries to fix a grep -v "Content-type: text/html" that is removing everything :/ | 00:49 | |
| lardman | cool, found one | 00:49 |
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| lardman | so strange, sounds like it's playing through a few paper bags | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | is that is because of dsp-sbc or that the song sounds like that anyway? :p | 00:53 |
| lardman | lol | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/is/of | 00:53 |
| lardman | no, dsp problem | 00:53 |
| lardman | I'm playing the MASH theme tune | 00:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eastenders ending ftw | 00:54 |
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| lardman | fixed it | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | great :) | 01:01 |
| lardman | it was indeed overzealous use of #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1) | 01:01 |
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| lardman | I'll upload it | 01:02 |
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| lardman | right, should be there in sbcenc.tar.gz | 01:06 |
| lardman | just extract that in the root directory, etc. | 01:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, i'll grab in a minute :) | 01:07 |
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| * lardman tries some more tweaking of the MUST_ITERATE #pragma to see if he can a) break it again or b) speed it up some more | 01:11 | |
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| Stskeeps | dash vs bash on n800/deblet: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.bash.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.dash.png | 01:17 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 is currently using bash3 compiled with -Os in maemo and prefers much more to dash which he compiled and disliked | 01:20 | |
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| GAN8001 | Wow | 01:20 |
| GAN8001 | That's a big hit. | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i prefer bash myself as well, but dash is good for system scripts | 01:23 |
| AStorm | what about comparing to busybox sh? | 01:23 |
| AStorm | (the default) | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i'm not confident busybox sh can boot a debian initscripts | 01:24 |
| AStorm | ah, debian, no | 01:24 |
| AStorm | but Maemo init scripts, definitely | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yeah. Good idea actually, i should edit all my init scripts to use dash | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | there's bootchart support in maemo boot afaik :P | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dash failed for me because it won't support coloured prompt :p | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: yeah, that's why debian is wanting to switch to dash, and why ubuntu seems so fast at boot (it's not all because of upstart) | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I'd have to argue that, i used upstart in maemo and boot was much faster | 01:26 |
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| LinuxCode | evening guys | 01:27 |
| LinuxCode | any of you use email certs with maemo ? | 01:27 |
| LinuxCode | Im on the N810...import of pk12 exports works | 01:28 |
| LinuxCode | now | 01:28 |
| LinuxCode | but I cant use them in the email application | 01:28 |
| LinuxCode | any ideas would be helpful.. | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: upstart ofcourse helps | 01:28 |
| * lardman smiles at choice b) | 01:30 | |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, crashanddie, XTL, I think it's the cable. Just getting garbage from an echo test. | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, you clod | 01:32 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, something like that. | 01:32 |
| GAN8001 | I'm noob at this. :D | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | okay, either my figures are faulty or there's no impact whatsoever.. | 01:33 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | doh. | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | (looked at two copies of the same..) | 01:35 |
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| LinuxCode | is it pirate day again ? | 01:59 |
| lardman | :) | 01:59 |
| lardman | just doing my bit for global warming | 02:00 |
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| * LinuxCode spanks lcuk | 02:13 | |
| lcuk | oi! | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | alright mate | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | yer, im havin a great time building stuff | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | ever imported certs into your N810 for email use ? | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | building what mate ? | 02:14 |
| * lardman always wondered what went on in here at night! | 02:14 | |
| lcuk | never touched email on it | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, k mate | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | was worth a try | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | what ya building ? Im intrigued | 02:14 |
| lcuk | lardman, it gets quite lively occasionally | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | not another wood holder for the N810 ? | 02:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: lardman wants in :P | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, wants what mate ? | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:15 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | my pirate hat ? | 02:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: the spanking :p | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | ohh you are working on that | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, I only spank select few people | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, sweet... how much progress have you made on it since I spoke to you a month or so ago ? | 02:16 |
| lcuk | lardman, ive just moored the images in place and am trying to work out how to scale the closest ones so further away from finger is smaller | 02:16 |
| lardman | I've got a fiance for that now, thanks anyway ;) | 02:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: you should have them slowly shrink back to original size too | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | lardman, extra wishes huh ? | 02:17 |
| LinuxCode | lol ;-D | 02:17 |
| lcuk | linuxcode, ive completely rebuilt the rendering routines to allow an arbitary clipping rectangle and built a tile object class which i can insert data into... | 02:17 |
| lardman | s/fiance/fiancee (sorry no accents on my kb) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | lardman :) | 02:17 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, sounds cool mate | 02:17 |
| lcuk | like they currently do :) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | the only problem is that they are jumpy | 02:17 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 02:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah ok, didn't see that in your original vid | 02:17 |
| lcuk | ive made the initial grid code more friendly | 02:17 |
| lcuk | and it doesnt overlap initially | 02:17 |
| LinuxCode | code base issue ? or rendering problem ? | 02:17 |
| LinuxCode | my N810 seems a bit sluggish lately | 02:18 |
| LinuxCode | might reflash and see if i can find out why | 02:18 |
| lcuk | it had a bad initial tiling thing where it just scaled and if there was too many it would overlap until they were moved | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | you can see it on the youtube vid | 02:18 |
| lcuk | the little nobbles above each and every menu item are to be linked by ident to a particular drawing or image :) | 02:19 |
| lardman | I've got to hit the sack, worn myself out with that sbc fix & tremor byte reading debugging | 02:19 |
| lardman | lcuk: will have a chat/another look at the video tomorrow | 02:19 |
| lcuk | yer i spotted you earlier :) nice one | 02:20 |
| lardman | sleep tight all | 02:20 |
| lcuk | gnite :) | 02:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | night lardman | 02:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | too late :) | 02:20 |
| lcuk | always quick | 02:21 |
| * LinuxCode blames the fiancee | 02:22 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 02:22 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, you gonna play euormillions ? | 02:23 |
| LinuxCode | £92 jackpot! | 02:23 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:23 |
| lcuk | i think the missus has a ticket | 02:23 |
| lcuk | a whole £92 oooh | 02:23 |
| LinuxCode | its ridiculous | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | add a M | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:24 |
| lcuk | Moooh? | 02:24 |
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| LinuxCode | yeh mooh | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | i cant get used to this mousepad | 02:24 |
| lcuk | its too slippery | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | my brother got me one in Thailand | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | shape of a floppy | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | its not slippy ..quite good | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | once the rubbery smell wore off | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | the thing stank of rubber | 02:25 |
| lcuk | well this makes the mouse act like a superconductor, its practically levitating | 02:26 |
| * lcuk is used to an old knackered cloth surface | 02:27 | |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:27 |
| * LinuxCode gives lcuk a new mouse | 02:27 | |
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| lcuk | mouse is fine | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | new desk ? | 02:27 |
| * lcuk has a heavy ball | 02:27 | |
| LinuxCode | you are getting greedy now mate | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 02:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't use mousepad, wooden surface + optical sensor | 02:28 | |
| LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, same mate | 02:28 |
| lcuk | i still cant get used to optical | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | well...got that mouse pad now | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, why not ? | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | actually this one is a laser one | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | any of you remember the old amiga mouse ? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | i pickup my mouse quite often, and everytime i try it with a laser mouse the pointer fucks off west | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | god that thing was a pain in the arse | 02:29 |
| GAN8001 | Get a non-shitty mouse? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | with the ball it stays where it is - i sort of half roll it around whilst picked up | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, mie seems fine with that | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | mince* | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | mine | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | mince lol | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | !!!!!!!!!!! | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | hahahah | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ?!?!?!?!? | 02:30 |
| GAN8001 | Have your sensitivity set high enough so you don't have to lift it up. :P | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, mince as in minced meat ? | 02:30 |
| lcuk | its not for lifting up | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | LinuxCode: Lol, i know, just joking :) | 02:31 |
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| lcuk | point bein, i just dont like em | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | qwerty12_N800, I bloody hope so mr qwerty! | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 02:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 02:31 |
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| GAN8001 | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/SLqeKk3iDqI/AAAAAAAAAFw/-AerACW-cK8/s1600-h/Model.jpg | 02:50 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 02:50 |
| Raytray | Who's richard? | 02:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rms i guess | 02:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the gnu guy | 02:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I wouldn't say the N810 is entirely open, a *lot* remains closed | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | The comments never fail to crack me up on his blog. | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/08/different-ways-and-paradigms.html | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | I like: "how about running windows mobile 6 on this unit-nokia have created this great device with below average software" | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | Stallman, Raytray. :P | 02:55 |
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| Raytray | Ah | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | Tuco | 02:56 |
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| Tuco | Hi gan800, Raytray | 02:57 |
| Raytray | heya | 02:57 |
| Tuco | what you guys doing here | 02:57 |
| Raytray | Same as you I assume. | 02:58 |
| GAN8001 | Absolutely nothing. | 02:58 |
| Tuco | idle? | 02:58 |
| Raytray | Dregs come around here too? | 02:58 |
| GAN8001 | Used to. | 02:58 |
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| fUD | ey | 03:07 |
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| jott | GAN8001: i'm still waiting for your beagle-in-a-770 mod :D | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | I gotta pull the LCD controller line out before it hits the DVI chip | 03:13 |
| GAN8001 | assuming that that'll actually be usable | 03:13 |
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| GAN8001 | Just not gonna happen | 03:13 |
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| error_developer_ | hi | 03:13 |
| error_developer_ | i wonder what am i gonna get if i enable R&D mode on n800 ? | 03:14 |
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| GAN8001 | Don't | 03:14 |
| LinuxCode | you will get r&d mode | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | If you're after root, then you want. | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | ~rootsh | 03:14 |
| infobot | rootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 03:14 |
| error_developer_ | the flasher utility has such a flag .. | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | It's in Extras. | 03:14 |
| * LinuxCode agrees with GAN800 | 03:15 | |
| AStorm | GAN8001: why not? increases power use or sth? ;P | 03:15 |
| LinuxCode | +1 | 03:15 |
| AStorm | (yes, it does enable the serial port) | 03:15 |
| error_developer_ | ok .. | 03:15 |
| LinuxCode | makes it easier to mess your device up | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, the only reason somebody asking about it has to use it is for root access. | 03:15 |
| AStorm | or have the nice boot image ;P | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | Power usage is one possible reason not to use it. | 03:15 |
| error_developer_ | LinuxCode: well ..yaeh, that what i don't want | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, install bootmenu. | 03:15 |
| error_developer_ | cause it's in hands of my brother .. | 03:15 |
| AStorm | I've noticed no increased power use with n810 | 03:16 |
| jott | and disabling evil watchdogs .. | 03:16 |
| error_developer_ | and they strangly messed it up already | 03:16 |
| error_developer_ | :( | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | jott, that's separate from R&D mode. | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, more than one @nokia person has mentioned the possibility of increased power use. | 03:16 |
| jott | GAN8001: it get's activated with r&d doesn't it? | 03:16 |
| error_developer_ | how to get the current image ? | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | jott, no. | 03:16 |
| error_developer_ | can i do it with the flasher util? | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | It's an R&D mode "flag" | 03:16 |
| LinuxCode | error_developer_, yes | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | R&D mode isn't turned on by setting flags, though. | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | and turning R&D mode on doesn't set flags. | 03:17 |
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| GAN8001 | ~flashing | 03:17 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:17 |
| jott | GAN8001: ah ok, i was under the impression that the wd flags where set when activating r&d. | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | Nope | 03:19 |
| * jott takes an imaginary note | 03:19 | |
| GAN8001 | I should gather information for an R&D mode wiki article | 03:20 |
| GAN8001 | Poke Igor and Eero | 03:20 |
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| error_developer_ | wow | 03:24 |
| error_developer_ | :) | 03:24 |
| error_developer_ | kewl | 03:24 |
| error_developer_ | sudo gainroot helped | 03:24 |
| error_developer_ | cause i had actually forgotten the password | 03:24 |
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| error_developer_ | ;) | 03:24 |
| error_developer_ | did i get it right, | 03:25 |
| error_developer_ | sudo gainroot works only in R&D mode ? | 03:25 |
| GAN8001 | No | 03:26 |
| GAN8001 | ~root-access | 03:26 |
| infobot | [root-access] http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 03:26 |
| error_developer_ | heh | 03:26 |
| error_developer_ | right ,, | 03:34 |
| error_developer_ | seems more like a security hole to me .. | 03:34 |
| error_developer_ | ! | 03:34 |
| error_developer_ | right .. | 03:34 |
| error_developer_ | another thing i gotta sort out .. | 03:34 |
| error_developer_ | if i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | 03:35 |
| error_developer_ | will do the same what flasher could upgade ? | 03:36 |
| GAN8001 | No | 03:41 |
| GAN8001 | apt-get upgrade is a decent way to make your device unbootable if you have the wrong repositories installed. | 03:41 |
| error_developer_ | ok | 03:42 |
| error_developer_ | well | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | ~flashing | 03:42 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | To update to the latest FIASCO release | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | then install the "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" from Application manager. | 03:42 |
| error_developer_ | GAN8001: i haven't see it there .. | 03:43 |
| GAN8001 | Are you running Diablo? | 03:44 |
| GAN8001 | Have you refreshed the repositories? | 03:44 |
| error_developer_ | GAN8001: hm .. | 03:47 |
| error_developer_ | i got Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | That's not the latest. | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | ~flashing | 03:47 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:47 |
| error_developer_ | ok .. | 03:49 |
| error_developer_ | i see, i got chinook | 03:49 |
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| error_developer_ | so | 03:50 |
| error_developer_ | if i edit the sources list | 03:50 |
| error_developer_ | and change chinook to diablo | 03:50 |
| GAN8001 | No. | 03:50 |
| GAN8001 | ~flashing | 03:50 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:50 |
| error_developer_ | then run apt-get upgrade | 03:52 |
| error_developer_ | GAN8001: why are you so radical? | 03:52 |
| GAN8001 | No. | 03:52 |
| error_developer_ | have you personaly experoenced | 03:52 |
| GAN8001 | I'm trying to help you not get yourself into a reboot loop | 03:52 |
| error_developer_ | ok | 03:52 |
| error_developer_ | but | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | But apparently you don't want help | 03:54 |
| error_developer_ | GAN8001: well | 03:54 |
| error_developer_ | no | 03:54 |
| GAN8001 | Do whatever you please, but don't come whining back to me when you back yourself into a corner. | 03:54 |
| GAN8001 | I'm telling you it doesn't work that way | 03:54 |
| error_developer_ | i just wonder what's wrong with apt-get approach | 03:54 |
| error_developer_ | ok | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | It doesn't work like that. | 03:55 |
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| GAN8001 | Even if you A. Managed to get the username and password for the upgrade repo, and B. Provide them to apt | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | you'll still need to turn off the watchdog so it doesn't kill itself in the middle of the update | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | and symlink the apt caching directory onto a card | 03:55 |
| error_developer_ | ok .., right i see now :) | 03:56 |
| GAN8001 | Pull the correct meta-package from the repo so you don't end up with a completely broken install | 03:56 |
| error_developer_ | is it a very good idea to upgrade from chinook to diablo ? | 03:56 |
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| GAN8001 | even if you get out the other side after doing all that, you STILL have a broken ssytem. | 03:56 |
| error_developer_ | i had noticed some slight brakege | 03:56 |
| GAN8001 | So, why do I tell you not to do it? Because it's a bad damn idea. | 03:56 |
| GAN8001 | Flashing is like wiping the tablet clean and starting over. | 03:57 |
| GAN8001 | So there's no Chinook -> Diablo issues. | 03:57 |
| GAN8001 | The only issue would be restoring a broken backup. | 03:57 |
| error_developer_ | just that cause i don't like wipping everything | 03:57 |
| GAN8001 | Well, that's why you're upgrading to Diablo | 03:58 |
| GAN8001 | ~ssu | 03:58 |
| infobot | methinks ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 03:58 |
| error_developer_ | but proly i should apply my 'never wipe' technique only to pc-kindda systems | 03:58 |
| GAN8001 | Read up on SSU. | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | No more flashes required. | 04:00 |
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| Andrewfblack | Hello | 04:25 |
| GAN8001 | Howdy | 04:26 |
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| AFBN810 | anyone know of a vnc viewer that will run from a usb drive? | 04:34 |
| AStorm | any | 04:34 |
| AStorm | why wouldn't it? | 04:34 |
| AFBN810 | some programs don't run well of a usb drive | 04:36 |
| AStorm | not if it's writable | 04:36 |
| AStorm | and has some real filesystem on it (not FAT) | 04:36 |
| AFBN810 | guess I should say it for windows :) | 04:38 |
| AStorm | ah, there are a few for windows | 04:39 |
| AStorm | there is probably one that doesn't store config outside of its dir | 04:40 |
| AFBN810 | yeah I'll take a look arounf for one I need something at work and can't install programs there | 04:40 |
| lcuk | with a bit of hacking around with custom u3 stuff i believe you can get a version of vnc running upon insertion of the stick | 04:44 |
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| lcuk | failing that, you can get your app coming up on the stupid windows run list | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, the switchblade only works when you're in admin mode | 04:45 |
| AFBN810 | cool | 04:45 |
| AFBN810 | hey how do I make my windows desktop screen fit on my nokia over vnc? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | AFBN810, more often its convenient to know the url of a vnc binary | 04:46 |
| lcuk | you can even create one click installers that you can simply get your client to download and run and it will open a connection back to your office | 04:47 |
| AFBN810 | cool | 04:48 |
| spcui | Hi, buddies | 04:48 |
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| lcuk | AFBN810, but we aren't here for windows ;) | 04:49 |
| spcui | who can use the Rotation support for OS2008 on N810? | 04:50 |
| AFBN810 | yeah I know I use windows and linux on more then my n810 but at work I am forced to windows all the time | 04:50 |
| AStorm | AFBN810: what is this work? | 04:51 |
| * robink hopes Nokia will bring OGG support back into Diablo. | 04:51 | |
| lcuk | anyway, im off to bed, ive got things floating around my mind (literally) | 04:51 |
| * AStorm hopes ogg-support is updated :> | 04:51 | |
| AFBN810 | Astorm its what some of us have to do to make money :) | 04:51 |
| AStorm | AFBN810: well, but what exactly | 04:52 |
| AStorm | esp. lms-ogg | 04:52 |
| AFBN810 | Nuclear Power | 04:53 |
| spcui | I found a problem that my N810 did't boot when I executed the command 'flasher -f -k kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 ' | 04:53 |
| spcui | who can help me? | 04:53 |
| AStorm | AFBN810: sounds demanding, like watching whole day a monitor ;P | 04:53 |
| AFBN810 | I monitor people and objects for radiation | 04:53 |
| GAN8001 | flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R | 04:53 |
| AStorm | yay, you walk and check sensors | 04:54 |
| AStorm | I suppose they required an uni degree for that | 04:54 |
| AStorm | :) | 04:54 |
| AFBN810 | I don't do that much walking its mostly remote monitoring now | 04:54 |
| AFBN810 | No degee at all | 04:55 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, snarky much tonight? :P | 04:55 |
| AStorm | ok, some smart people at recruitment then :> | 04:55 |
| AStorm | GAN8001: yeah, a bit it seems | 04:55 |
| spcui | GAN8001 : thanks, I try it | 04:55 |
| AStorm | GAN8001: more like, feeling cynical | 04:56 |
| spcui | GAN8001 : The kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 isn't FIASCO image. | 04:58 |
| AStorm | spcui: use -k instead of -F then | 04:58 |
| AStorm | it's a kernel image, not full FIASCO | 04:59 |
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| spcui | I know, but I used it | 04:59 |
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| AStorm | is it just a kernel image, a .deb, or a gzipped kernel image? | 05:00 |
| AStorm | (try file on it) | 05:00 |
| AStorm | it not booting is possible if you didn't update kernel modules | 05:00 |
| spcui | ok, thanks. You can see it. http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 05:01 |
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| AStorm | you need to update Xomap first | 05:02 |
| spcui | i didn't boot my N810 when i flashed my kernel. | 05:03 |
| AStorm | mwhahaha | 05:03 |
| AStorm | then boot it | 05:03 |
| AStorm | -R should take care of that | 05:03 |
| AStorm | (obviously, you have to put the device in the flash mode, but you should know that already) | 05:04 |
| spcui | i added -R. | 05:04 |
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| spcui | but i didn't boot it | 05:06 |
| AStorm | hm? | 05:06 |
| AStorm | what happened? | 05:06 |
| spcui | yep | 05:06 |
| AStorm | it restarted and what? | 05:06 |
| spcui | i don't know that | 05:06 |
| AStorm | went to white screen, then rebooted? | 05:06 |
| AStorm | went to black screen? | 05:06 |
| spcui | yeah | 05:07 |
| AStorm | black screen, not good | 05:07 |
| spcui | went to white screen | 05:07 |
| AStorm | ah | 05:07 |
| AStorm | so it hanged | 05:07 |
| AStorm | in kernel boot | 05:07 |
| spcui | then went to black screen | 05:07 |
| AStorm | mhm, watchdog killed it | 05:07 |
| AStorm | might be broken kernel... or just non-zImage | 05:08 |
| AStorm | do run file on it | 05:08 |
| spcui | yep, i think so | 05:08 |
| brontide | ok, before I go and do something stupid ( too late ) what do I put in the Distribution: field in my .changes file if I want to upload to both diablo and chinook "diablo, chinook" or "" | 05:09 |
| spcui | AStorm : Thank you for your time | 05:10 |
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| * brontide finds some debian docs that indicate "chinook diablo" would be the proper way...... trying | 05:20 | |
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| GAN8001 | brontide, since you're going through the suffering here, think you could compile a short list of possible amendments and additions to https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf ? | 05:24 |
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| GAN8001 | Did jolouis ever make any progress on the N810 OTG adaptor? | 06:03 |
| spcui | I want to install the flash-and-reboot, but I don't know where the package is. who can tell me where I find it | 06:07 |
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| GAN8001 | Er, it's in the upgrade repo | 06:09 |
| GAN8001 | and it's not really something you "install" | 06:09 |
| * moontiger installs the latest sdk stuff... | 06:09 | |
| GAN8001 | It's a package that invokes fiasco-flasher | 06:09 |
| GAN8001 | spcui, have you installed the latest SSU update? | 06:09 |
| spcui | what's SSU? | 06:10 |
| GAN8001 | ~ssu | 06:10 |
| infobot | it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 06:10 |
| spcui | thanks | 06:11 |
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| moontiger | GAN800, is this the new dev env you were telling me about the other day? | 06:16 |
| GAN8001 | scratchbox 2 | 06:16 |
| GAN8001 | Has a lot of improvements | 06:16 |
| moontiger | the sdk 1.5 beta thingy? | 06:16 |
| GAN8001 | but Nokia hasn't moved to it officially. | 06:16 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h can tell you more about it. | 06:16 |
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| moontiger | GAN800, so is the "rootstrap" the actual emulator? | 06:21 |
| * ToyKeeper tries to figure out how to make osso-xterm display dark grey instead of black, for "bright black" | 06:22 | |
| GAN8001 | Forget about Xephyr | 06:23 |
| GAN8001 | It sucks even when it works | 06:23 |
| GAN8001 | Just compile for ARM and copy to the device | 06:23 |
| GAN8001 | Testing will go much more smoothly | 06:24 |
| moontiger | ok so i dont need the rootstrap? | 06:24 |
| moontiger | im very excited by the anjuta plug-in they say is available | 06:24 |
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| brontide | GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me | 06:27 |
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| kulve | robink: AStorm: if somebody finds out how to get oggs indexed by metalayer crawler in diablo, I might consider updating it for diablo.. | 06:30 |
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| tank-man | i hate that crawler, takes so long to index stuff | 06:47 |
| * GAN8001 facepalms | 06:47 | |
| GAN8001 | Here I am wondering why the hell my pccables.com order hasn't shipped yet. :\ | 06:48 |
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| moontiger | holy shit!!! i can use anjuta for dev work !!! :) | 07:09 |
| moontiger | GAN800, labor day ;) | 07:09 |
| GAN8001 | Right. ;) | 07:16 |
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| RST38h | "Assessing the Political Impact of Bristol Palin's Pregnancy" (C)WashPost | 07:31 |
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| moontiger | ummmmmmm it works brilliantly ... i take back all my moaning and bitching from the other day about the build tools etc | 07:36 |
| moontiger | its so cool :) | 07:36 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, I'm writing in the fetus for president. | 07:38 |
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| jitu3485 | hi, on my N810, in the terminal i am getting characters is chinese(or something like ASCII) ,locale is en_GE , how to resolv | 08:08 |
| jitu3485 | ? | 08:08 |
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| LinuxCode | nn | 08:08 |
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| TTilus | damn, nyt n810 keyb doesnt work as advertised anymore | 09:19 |
| TTilus | chr switching seems to be reversed or something | 09:19 |
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| ricko73 | TTilus: ? I've not seen that | 09:22 |
| TTilus | my keyb has ö / ø key, im supposed to be (and ive been) getting ö with plain key and ø with Chr key | 09:23 |
| TTilus | now its reversed | 09:23 |
| TTilus | the same with ä / æ key | 09:24 |
| TTilus | boot doesnt help | 09:24 |
| TTilus | also my bt keyboard stopped working | 09:26 |
| TTilus | it pairs but doesnt actually work | 09:27 |
| TTilus | lights blink as you type, but you get nothing | 09:27 |
| TTilus | might try flashing, id also be able to try out agps | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | Hey Stskeeps | 10:05 |
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| rmrfchik | on the http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/applications.html i see "keepassx", but there is no keepassx in the repository. where can I get it? I used to use keepass on my linux box and windows mobile | 10:18 |
| qwerty12 | rmrfchik: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/keepassx/ | 10:20 |
| rmrfchik | will it work on latest diablo? | 10:21 |
| qwerty12 | dunno | 10:21 |
| rmrfchik | thanks anyway | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: did you ever progress with mtdutils btw? | 10:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: how do you mean? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, the backup/restore thing, seems like my rootfs jffs2 is getting corrupted so :P | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | and a "clean" copy is only really possible from initfs where it's not mounted | 10:49 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I stopped working on it, my scripting knowledge is too low for what I want :) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, sucks | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: using usbnet/serial, you can perform a backup yourself | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | that's true | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | without using mtd or with? | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | using mtd | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | compiled statically or? | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, the static ones as you'd want to run the binaries from the initfs | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | If you don't have mtd-utils in initfs, grab the static ones off my site and shove them in /tmp and mount your memory card up so you can use mtd-utils | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | You can also dump rootfs when you are booted from mmc too :) | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | If you don't want to go long initfs method | 10:52 |
| korgoth | win 11 | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
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| napsy_ | Hello. I can't get updates from the maemo repositoryrepository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk. Is there someting wrong with the repos? | 11:03 |
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| napsy_ | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 11:05 |
| napsy_ | any ideas? | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | does ping www.yahoo.com work? :P | 11:13 |
| keesj | napsy_: dig repository.maemo.org | 11:14 |
| pupnik | hmm, i could really use md5sum on the tablet right now | 11:15 |
| pupnik | oh 'coreutils' nm | 11:15 |
| pupnik | hah, no do not install that | 11:15 |
| keesj | pupnik: usualy part of busybox | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: deblet package has a compiled md5sum in /usr/libexec/deblet atleast | 11:16 |
| napsy_ | keesj, I got a reply | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | (we needed it for debootstrap) | 11:16 |
| keesj | cat test | ssh myhost nd4sun | 11:16 |
| pupnik | my os2008 doesn't have it in the busybox | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: md5sum binary : http://penguinbait.com/md5sum.gz | 11:18 |
| * pupnik bows to qwerty12 | 11:18 | |
| keesj | napsy_: are you doin that within the sbox target? | 11:19 |
| napsy_ | keesj, yes | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | erghblhch.. hope the next tablet has more space for rootfs | 11:25 |
| pupnik | fdupes would be nice to have (find duplicate files) | 11:28 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik: does sound useful actually, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/fdupes_1.40-4build1_armel.deb | 11:30 |
| * pupnik hops up and down grinning | 11:31 | |
| pupnik | thank you | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | no problem :) | 11:32 |
| pupnik | was trying to do it with shellscript and not getting anywhere (busybox) | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, busybox sh really sucks. I installed zap's bash2 from extras and then replaced the bash binary with bash3 | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | I finally have a history command :) | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | lmao, look at the fdupes makefile: http://pastebin.com/d4ef3bba0 | 11:35 |
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| pupnik | hahaha | 11:35 |
| pupnik | sweet, helped me clean out 100 MB of dupes | 11:36 |
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| timeless | meh, just install zsh | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | that reminds me, I need to install dash and use it for init scripts | 11:40 |
| timeless | good luck w/ that | 11:41 |
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| qwerty12 | It can't be worse than busybox sh :> | 11:42 |
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| alsor | bash3? lol | 11:44 |
| alsor | hi, qwerty12 : I found a screenshot http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg, do u success to config the network under xp with diablo? | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | alsor: no, that's using usb_serial | 11:46 |
| alsor | adapter? | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | *g_serial | 11:46 |
| alsor | oh, not g_ether... | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | No module, plug in the usb cable to the N800 and the computer thinks it's a serial device | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218847#post218847 | 11:47 |
| alsor | ok, let me c.. | 11:47 |
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| alsor | aha, sounds good. just like the eval board.. | 11:50 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: why's that a bmp with a jpg extension? :) | 11:51 |
| aquatix | [ http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg ] | 11:52 |
| * aquatix prefers png for screenshots | 11:52 | |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: crap, I must have shoved a jpg extension in paint with jpg file type >.<. I'll change that | 11:53 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix: thanks for that, I was wondering why that image loaded slowly | 11:57 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: your cron build is working perfectly, thanks | 12:03 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, same here :) | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | changed it now to png :) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | ah, that's a lot better | 12:10 |
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| * qwerty12 quite likes running uptimed on his tablet :). It now makes me not want to remove the battery :D | 12:11 | |
| aquatix | ooh, there's a daemon for that? | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | yer: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | Though it seems my N800 clock is an hour forward | 12:13 |
| * aquatix runs ntpd for that ;) | 12:14 | |
| aquatix | uptimed is on maemo.org? | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | I just ran rdate :) | 12:14 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: no :(. I built my own debs and then modified everything once it was installed on the tablet to work with maemo oddities :/ | 12:15 |
| qwerty12 | cron runs a script once an hour to upload my current uptime to that server while filtering out rubbish | 12:15 |
| qwerty12 | if I had dpkg-repack on the tablet, I'd have shared the debs | 12:16 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:17 |
| aquatix | well | 12:17 |
| aquatix | at least it won't make me not want to not reboot the device ;) | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'll see what I can in regards to sharing uptimed. I had to manually hack /var/lib/dpkg/status to change some of the dependencies so that it would install :/ | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | Then I had to hack the postinst scripts etc | 12:18 |
| aquatix | meh, sounds too much work for me ;) | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, yeah, I only wanted uptimed after I installed the full procps on my tablet for some reason | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | ssh makes it so easy for me to replace crap busybox things | 12:19 |
| aquatix | *g* | 12:19 |
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| aquatix | http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html <- that'd be so cool... | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | You know Nokia will never make an UIQ version :P | 12:22 |
| aquatix | ? | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | (if that was real of course) | 12:22 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 12:22 |
| aquatix | good memory ;) | 12:22 |
| * aquatix is oggling a nokia e71 though | 12:23 | |
| aquatix | but i'll run my se m600i in the ground first | 12:23 |
| aquatix | so that'd mean an upgrade in 2012 or something | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | Come to london and play javelin with the phone | 12:23 |
| aquatix | why in London? | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | London 2012 Olympics | 12:24 |
| aquatix | ah :P | 12:24 |
| aquatix | well, i prefer doing that somewhat sooner then, and getting an e71 while that device is still new ;) | 12:27 |
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| * qwerty12 packages bootchart for maemo, may as well see if using dash makes a difference :> | 12:51 | |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: oooh, need pretty graph online | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | :). Just updating the debian package to the latest svn, fingers crossed I won't need to hax the status file to install psmisc :) | 12:58 |
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| qwerty12 | It wants java packages for the graph part, I'll build without that, the website works to convert the tgz into graph :) | 12:59 |
| oilinki3 | aquatix: I wonder would the Ntropic sync be possible to do with syncml-server or similar? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the website doesnt work for me, i just have a bootchart-view installation on my ubuntu | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll do the same :) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/bootchart/download works fine without dependancies atleast | 13:04 |
| korgoth | hm, anyone good with maemo mapper around? :) | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, but I'm building the latest svn :) | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: rcS has something about bootchart btw | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | my observation was that /tmp is not hospitable to bootchart due to it being 512k so you need to edit /sbin/bootchartd to place it otherwise | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah, good point, I'll go with /var/tmp :) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'd personally just go with using the 32mb tmpfs mount it offers when the mktemp thing doesnt work :P | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | (if [ -z something ]) | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | odd observation of the day - screen dimmed, run reboot (no dsme reboot), restart doesnt happen, screen stays off but n800 appears dead | 13:14 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if he should take another crack at ublet or not. | 13:21 | |
| qwerty12 | ublet? lol | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | oh, ubuntu | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | i had ubuntu 7.10 booting at tablet in summer | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | but not sure if 7.10 even has any interest as it's not as complete as the debian armel port | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | and since moblin moved to a fedora base ubuntu mobile seems to move a bit to a dead end. | 13:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, it installed but it didn't run on bootup :>. Lemme see what needs changing | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | "/etc/init.d/bootchart: line 32: /lib/init/vars.sh: No such file or directory" | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, it's in initscripts package. Lemme see if I can work around that. | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/ looks interesting | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it does, thanks for that :) | 13:28 |
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| qwerty12 | I made a fake vars.sh because I can't figure out that bootchart-logger.c website :P | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it stumped me a bit afterwards | 13:36 |
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| Italodance | damn | 13:38 |
| Italodance | i will kill myself now | 13:38 |
| Italodance | :"'( | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | you damaged your tablet? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
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| Italodance | 90210 is not available on the scene :"""( | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:40 |
| Italodance | have u ever watched it? | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, i have | 13:40 |
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| Italodance | :""( | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | that reminds me a bit of a quote by eddie izzard: "if a woman falls over wearing high heels, that's embarassing. if a bloke falls over wearing high heels - he has to kill himself." | 13:41 |
| Italodance | http://cwtv.com/shows/90210 | 13:41 |
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| Italodance | why isn't it on scene? | 13:42 |
| Italodance | ah i am notlucky | 13:42 |
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| Italodance | Stskeeps u always watch it ? | 13:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d29281d98 - ran it and dsme shut off the n800 :D. | 13:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | Salutations | 13:48 |
| Italodance | :( | 13:48 |
| Italodance | :( | 13:48 |
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| Italodance | :( | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: lovely | 13:48 |
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| * Stskeeps just bricked his deblet through installing runit | 13:48 | |
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| qwerty12 | ouch :/ | 13:50 |
| Italodance | :""( | 13:50 |
| lardman | bricked? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay, bricked is a hard word, just didnt start up properly ;) | 13:52 |
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| pupnik | call it 'pillowed' | 13:58 |
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| aquatix | oilinki: syncml could help quite a bit yeah | 14:03 |
| aquatix | not sure whether everything would be possible with it | 14:03 |
| Italodance | lol 1 of the cast is persian | 14:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | syncml sucks ! | 14:09 |
| lcuk | Khertan, yes, it sucks data from a specified url | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | do you have read the protocol rtf ? | 14:10 |
| lcuk | no, but itsnt it xml and enterprisey? | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | opendocument from microsoft is xml too | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | this doesn t mean it s a good format | 14:11 |
| lcuk | ok, point taken | 14:11 |
| lcuk | its enterprisey though :) | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | SyncML's the best we've got, though | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s too much complex | 14:11 |
| lcuk | its not meant to be good, its meant to be standard | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | It's like democracy - it's the worst form of government; except for the others | 14:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | no compatibility with old protocol version | 14:12 |
| liri | nicely put Jaffa | 14:12 |
| lcuk | Khertan, i have the exact same issues regarding sketches | 14:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | too much complex so implentation differ from software client/server | 14:12 |
| lcuk | theres an over the top xml spec out there for me to ignore | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | this mean when you write a client it work only for some servers | 14:14 |
| liri | Khertan: how it goes with google cal/contacts/notebook sync? | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | liri: mCalendar is ready for summit | 14:15 |
| pupnik | o/ Khertan_n810 :) | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | mContact: i m rewriting the ui | 14:15 |
| pupnik | is someone gonna blog the summit? | 14:15 |
| * lcuk is nowhere near ready, but a lot closer after last night | 14:15 | |
| lcuk | pupnik, hi def video is being taken | 14:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | and mMemo is still in my brain | 14:15 |
| lcuk | mmmmDinner is on mine | 14:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | or mNotes | 14:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | still not sure for the name | 14:17 |
| liri | Khertan: ok so what are you doing wasting your time chatting with us here? go finish up mMemo! | 14:17 |
| liri | Khertan: mNotes does sound better | 14:17 |
| liri | Khertan: :) | 14:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | coding while walking in the street isn t secure | 14:17 |
| liri | heh | 14:17 |
| liri | Khertan: same goes for not watching where you're going while typing the keyboard :P | 14:18 |
| lcuk | its secure, but instead of a compilation error you walk into a lamppost | 14:18 |
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| *** GAN800 changes topic to "Sprint 4 review today in #maemo-meeting @ 1900 UTC logs will be available from http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 | http://maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org" | 14:19 | |
| pupnik | woot | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum could you the summit program to the topic too ? | 14:20 |
| GAN800 | Logs may eventually be available. . . . | 14:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:20 |
| GAN800 | Could probably use a fallback logger with X-Fade on vacation. | 14:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | not a link but the text of the programm ? | 14:21 |
| pupnik | It's big, it's heavy, it's wood. | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | come back to office | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 14:21 |
| GAN800 | Summit's in the topic, you can add the program as well if you want, but we don't want the topic too big. | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | GAN800: it was a joke :) | 14:21 |
| GAN800 | Right-o | 14:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | byye | 14:22 |
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| aquatix | wtf, i created an account for https://maemo.org/, but it won't let me log in | 14:28 |
| aquatix | er, or it did create one for garage and doesn't let me in at maemo.org | 14:29 |
| * aquatix just wants https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ | 14:29 | |
| inz | aqua, remove s from https | 14:29 |
| aquatix | hm, k | 14:30 |
| aquatix | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ linked me to http | 14:31 |
| aquatix | *https | 14:31 |
| lcuk | aquatix, i keep getting similar frustrations whenever i go near bugzilla | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | im a member of maemo, and the garage but i cant file bug reports \@/ single sign in | 14:31 |
| lcuk | and i cant file a bug report to say that.. | 14:31 |
| aquatix | hm, with http i get the normal page (after waiting a while) | 14:31 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, just create a goddamn bugzilla account. | 14:33 |
| GAN800 | Unified accounts are entirely pointless until we have single sign-on, which isn't coming soon. | 14:34 |
| lcuk | gan, whenever i go near bugzilla ive got a problem or am trying to respond to someone elses problem | 14:34 |
| lcuk | im not there to setup extra accounts | 14:34 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, then stfu | 14:34 |
| GAN800 | If you can't take 30 seconds to register, then you don't have any complaining rights. | 14:35 |
| GAN800 | if you feel like coding up a single sign-on system, feel more than free. | 14:35 |
| lcuk | i am merely pointing out the fact other places seem to handle it nicely and an account on the main site is the same as an acocunt on the other things | 14:36 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, that's not just something you flip a switch on. | 14:37 |
| GAN800 | There's a lot involved in setting up somerthing like that that'll actually work with Downloads, gforge, bugzilla, the wiki, etc, etc, etc. | 14:37 |
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| GAN800 | While it would be convenient, taking 30 seconds to register wont kill you. | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, sorry for running (im at work) i only mentioned about it :) im intelligent enough to know when i need it ill sign up, doesnt mean i cant moan about it occasionally | 15:09 |
| lcuk | im english, i like to moan, infact i think its going to be one of the new events at the 2012 olympics | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | Along with queuing | 15:10 |
| lcuk | oh yer jaffa | 15:10 |
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| * lcuk goes properly now, busy afternoon ahead | 15:13 | |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, guess I'm gonna miss the sprint today. | 15:19 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 lunges at bootchart with a fucking knife | 15:30 | |
| GAN800 | A fucking knife? How amorous. :P | 15:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It kept hanging the boot >.< | 15:32 |
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| Khertan1 | Hi ! | 15:39 |
| Khertan1 | I ve just see that google will release a browser today ... | 15:39 |
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| GAN8001 | Hi, guenther. | 15:44 |
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| guenther | General, heya. | 15:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: what is inside a bootchart tgz? | 15:47 |
| guenther | GAN800: Progressing through your website/bugzilla bugs. It would kind of help if you stop spotting new issues. ;) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: stats and such | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt matter really, the java thing tar zxfs it | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Mind giving me a list of the files? I've got files made by bootchart but no tgz to go with it and i was wondering if these are the right files :) | 15:51 |
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| GAN8001 | guenther, just file the new ones to /dev/null? ;) | 15:57 |
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| guenther | hehe | 15:57 |
| * GAN8001 waits for the tablet to get itself out of retard-mode. | 15:58 | |
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| guenther | Actually, I like those bugs. And it's good someone out there spots the wrong branding and stuff. | 15:59 |
| GAN8001 | Prepare for the suffering when things get rolling on the new look. ;) | 16:00 |
| GAN8001 | Though that's zero progress so far | 16:00 |
| GAN8001 | hopefully somebody'll kick off some discussion at the Summit. | 16:00 |
| pupnik | darn you nokia, you got me using fingers on the tablet now | 16:01 |
| guenther | oh, yeah, a new look will be lots of work... | 16:01 |
| GAN8001 | God damn sfdisk | 16:01 |
| GAN8001 | It makes my brain hurt | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart render.bootchart.org | 16:03 |
| * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at render.bootchart.org | 16:03 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: parted port exists too | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | less braindamage | 16:03 |
| GAN8001 | Stskeeps is it in Extras? | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | no, because i am not inclined to go through that process. but it's at http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/parted.deb | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | cfdisk is also there, which is okay too :P | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | also it's a bit of a hacky package so it would never make it through autobuilder as it doesn't 100% compile on scratchbox | 16:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: automate the hacks in debian/rules :p | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: pft. i'm a dpkg-deb --build man | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | syntatic sugar are for wussies! | 16:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | dpkg-buildpackage ftw :p. i just use dpkg-deb to repack a file :p | 16:09 |
| * jott reveals Stskeeps hidden fetish for using .install files | 16:09 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe. the .install files are only because people wanted them :P | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if i was to put bootchartd on maemo i'd use my linuxrc hack, which would run sbin/bootchartd instead, and change the target directory to somewhere else than /tmp | 16:12 |
| * qwerty12_N800 will upload my bootchart of maemo booting using bash 3.2.39 and maemo booting using dash in an hour. I know you all cant wait... | 16:12 | |
| jott | target directory to somewhere else than /tmp borism | 16:13 |
| jott | hups | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: the way i've got it working is pretty fucked anyway :/ | 16:13 |
| * jott calms down his fingers on the mouse | 16:13 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it saves in /bootchart, no tgz and no header file | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: maemo booting with dash vs busybox could be interesting | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yer, but i don't want to resymlink busybox back to sh :p | 16:15 |
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| GAN8001 | Hi, sjgadsby. | 16:18 |
| sjgadsby | Hello. | 16:18 |
| sjgadsby | It appears my N800 died on its charger last night. | 16:18 |
| GAN8001 | Bricked or no battery? | 16:18 |
| sjgadsby | I've tried two batteries and three chargers, and it shows no signs of life. | 16:19 |
| GAN8001 | odd | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: Was it running diablo? | 16:20 |
| sjgadsby | Yep. | 16:20 |
| GAN8001 | You didn't overwrite NOLO, did you? :P | 16:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | That counts out the messed bootloader then :/ | 16:20 |
| sjgadsby | Heh. No. I haven't played with NOLO. | 16:20 |
| sjgadsby | I haven't even set it to boot off an SD card. | 16:21 |
| * GAN8001 isn't sure how he should feel about having to use his N800 to partition and format an SD card for the Beagle. | 16:22 | |
| jott | GAN8001: good? :) | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | sjgadsby, power spike during the night? are other devices in the house flashing/been reset? | 16:23 |
| GAN8001 | I have a feeling I may end up using Deblet it install Debian to it, too. . . . | 16:23 |
| GAN8001 | Not entirely sure how that'll work out, though. | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: you might as well debootstrap raw debian.. much of the deblet stuff is because of tablet support | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | (if you're speaking of the beagle) | 16:24 |
| sjgadsby | lcuk: I thought of that, but there were no storms last night, the charger was connected to a surge suppressor, and none of the devices in the house that go funny at the smallest power flicker were needing to be reset this morning. | 16:25 |
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| GAN8001 | Warranty? | 16:25 |
| sjgadsby | No, I bought it in Jan/Feb of 2007. | 16:26 |
| lcuk | sjgadsby, oooer ok then, and i gather no signs of life does infact mean you see and hear nothing from the device no matter what you do | 16:26 |
| GAN8001 | Doesn't sound good. | 16:26 |
| lcuk | not a flicker or a whirr or a humm | 16:26 |
| GAN8001 | Blue LED is the thing to watch out for. | 16:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Though I really wouldn't recommend it and have never tried it, some report success by shoving it in a freezer... | 16:26 |
| Italodance | Stskeeps are u there? | 16:26 |
| sjgadsby | lcuk: Nothing. The LED never lights, the screen never shows anything. The screen backlight doesn't even turn on. | 16:27 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, that would be the timing issue with pre-51-3 | 16:27 |
| GAN8001 | sjgadsby, well, I'd start by leaving it on the charger for at least 8 hours. | 16:27 |
| GAN8001 | If nothing after that, sounds like it's time to replace. . . . | 16:27 |
| lcuk | sjgadsby, then i think you might need to look into qwerty12_N800's suggestion | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | Italodance: sortof | 16:27 |
| lcuk | as much as it pains me, out of warranty and totally dead - what else can you do... | 16:27 |
| Italodance | Stskeeps http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228840/ Original Air Date:2 September 2008 (Season 1, Episode 1) ??????? | 16:28 |
| Italodance | are u sure watched it? | 16:28 |
| mikkov_ | nolo == embarrassing btw ;) | 16:28 |
| Italodance | so it will be on the scene today! | 16:28 |
| Italodance | :) | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | Italodance: no, i haven't watched the sequel and i kinda don't want to | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:28 |
| sjgadsby | GAN8001: Yeah, I have it sitting on the USB charger now (it was on the A/C charger last night). It's charging (maybe?) the battery that wasn't in it last night. | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | sjgadsby, where boutrs in the world are you? | 16:29 |
| sjgadsby | lcuk: Pennsylvania, USA. | 16:29 |
| lcuk | whats the weather been like, no chance of an ovenright shower pissin all over your machine or something like that? | 16:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: Are you good with hacking hardware? | 16:29 |
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| sjgadsby | lcuk: The weather has been beautiful. No rain. | 16:30 |
| lcuk | apart from the sole teardrop falling from your eye upon the sight of your dead nokia | 16:31 |
| sjgadsby | qwerty12_N800: I have a continuity tester, a digital multimeter, and a soldering iron, and I was in an electronic kit building club in high school, but no, beyond "oh look, that wire's clearly disconnected" I'm no hardware guy. | 16:32 |
| lcuk | check the output from thee battery | 16:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: ah ok :/ | 16:32 |
| lcuk | take out of device | 16:32 |
| lcuk | i hope i never have to have a conversation like this | 16:32 |
| lcuk | crap, bbl | 16:33 |
| sjgadsby | lcuk: I'll grab my multimeter and whatnot at lunch. I've nothing here at work. | 16:33 |
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| sjgadsby | Maybe that DealExtreme USB charger that melted down a few months back did do some damage. Heh. | 16:36 |
| Kegetys | could just be a dead battery, I think my N810 didnt turn on at all without the battery in | 16:37 |
| Kegetys | as in, even with the carger plugged in :) | 16:37 |
| Kegetys | +h | 16:37 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, but several dead batteries? | 16:37 |
| Kegetys | oh | 16:38 |
| GAN8001 | Urg, you really need the diablo-sdk repo for Deblet, Stskeeps? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: i wish i didn't, sec, lemme just see what package it was for | 16:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby: the tablets are pretty resilient. i connected my n800 to the xbox with a really dodgy usb 2 joypad converter, usb still works fine. connected my n800 to the plug using a really dodgy nokia charger made from splicing the end of the new charger connector onto the plug of an old nokia charger. charging still works. | 16:39 |
| GAN8001 | Why does nupgrade.sh never want to participate when I actually want to use it? . . . | 16:40 |
| sjgadsby | qwerty12_N800: Yes, I'm hoping that leaving it on a different charger with a different battery will bring it back. If not, it'll be time to try the whole ritual sacrifice thing. | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN8001: ah - because of binutils | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | that's why we need it | 16:43 |
| * liri has to port netbsd 3.X kernel code/modules to linux 2.4 | 16:43 | |
| liri | aewww, such a lousy job :p | 16:43 |
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| GAN8001 | wow | 16:48 |
| GAN8001 | The Deblet installer is quite impressive. | 16:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that reminds me, can i still use my own bootmenu.conf entries with your initfs. | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/./? | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sorry to be a prick about it | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, you may need to edit it a bit | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | you can always make *.items yourself | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's damn easy | 16:53 |
| * GAN8001 hadn't touched Debian since johnx's last tgz release. | 16:53 | |
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| GAN8001 | I should pick up another 16GB card and partition it out to have lots of interesting things to boot from. | 16:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want yo lose that :) | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | we also support boot-from-file on vfat btw | 16:54 |
| liri | I really don't know netbsd, would be nice if anyone here has/had some experience | 16:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/yo/to/ | 16:54 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want to lose that :) | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: else it's a matter of editing bootmenu.conf and simply adding entries and increasing the counter | 16:55 |
| GAN8001 | So, folks, we're down to less than 24 hours to submit your community council candidacy announcements. | 16:56 |
| GAN8001 | We've got 6 people now, which means only one person can lose. | 16:56 |
| GAN8001 | Anybody want to step up? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: take a look at bootmenu.conf if you haven't already :) | 16:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: cool, will do. i'll resize my ext2 partition and reinstall debian later! :) | 16:57 |
| GAN8001 | Do I NEED to install the Deblet bootmenu? | 16:58 |
| JamieBennett | GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :( | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: it's the best experience, but the stuff to boot from normal bootmenu is still in the init scripts | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | also imho it's better to write .item files in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh-bootmenu.d, instead of a static bootmenu conf, but that's just me | 16:59 |
| GAN8001 | sjgadsby, might you consider putting in a nomination? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | bbl making food | 17:00 |
| sjgadsby | GAN8001: Hmm? A nomination? | 17:00 |
| GAN8001 | For yourself. ;) | 17:01 |
| GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html | 17:01 |
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| GAN8001 | Pandora got a bit more expensive. . . . | 17:15 |
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| rm_you | GAN8001: yeah :/ I started using last.fm in preparation for pandora's death <_< | 17:19 |
| rm_you | ack bbl, late | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, i think pandora as in console :p | 17:20 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 17:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:20 |
| GAN8001 | When I say Pandora, I NEVER mean the music service. ;) | 17:20 |
| rm_you | yeah realized that | 17:20 |
| rm_you | hehe | 17:20 |
| Kegetys | I think Pandora as in Amiga 500 game :P | 17:20 |
| rm_you | its gonna take a bit for me to NOT think of the music service | 17:20 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 uses Bittorrent + Gnutella as my music service | 17:21 | |
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| andrewfblack | how much is the Pandora going to be now? | 17:31 |
| GAN8001 | £199 | 17:31 |
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| GAN8001 | ~$350-$400 | 17:31 |
| andrewfblack | Wasn't it supose to be out like last month | 17:31 |
| GAN8001 | It was supposed to ship in April. | 17:31 |
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| GAN8001 | Now we're looking at December. | 17:32 |
| andrewfblack | lol they are trying to be like a big company I guess lol | 17:32 |
| GAN8001 | I hate that Karel has made me feel good about Pandora delays. . . . | 17:32 |
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| andrewfblack | how did you make you feel good about delays? | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | pandora the band? | 17:33 |
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| GAN8001 | His neverending line of bullshit has ingrained a kneejerk negative response towards the Pandora in me. | 17:34 |
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| melmoth | ahahaha | 17:34 |
| melmoth | oups | 17:34 |
| GAN8001 | ShadowJK, what do you think? | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | no idea | 17:34 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | oh, a console? | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know :-) | 17:34 |
| andrewfblack | lol I don't know what would be worst the fast that everyone things my Nokia is a phone or the fact that everyone is going to thing Pandora is a Nintendo DS :) | 17:35 |
| andrewfblack | If you never heard of a pandora then youdno't know Karel | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | who's karel | 17:36 |
| andrewfblack | Its the only thing he talks about it seems | 17:36 |
| GAN8001 | I'm not sure how he thinks it's going to kill the tablets | 17:36 |
| GAN8001 | since it doesn't even ship with an OS. | 17:36 |
| GAN8001 | and the OMAP3530 bootloader is in a state enough that getting one on it is somewhat time consuming. | 17:37 |
| andrewfblack | GAN8001 thats the best part its so cool it doens't need an OS | 17:38 |
| glass | well as long thers sw for it.. | 17:38 |
| GAN8001 | You can get Debian or Ubuntu or Angstrom on it without much trouble. | 17:39 |
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| Khertan1 | GAN800: does we know the life battery time of the current proto device ? | 17:43 |
| lardman | ~10hrs they say | 17:43 |
| Khertan1 | yep ... "they" | 17:44 |
| Khertan1 | but noone not a from pandora have try a prototype yet ? | 17:44 |
| lardman | yep, that's about the size of it | 17:45 |
| Khertan1 | if it like UMPC when Microsoft talk about it ... Around 10 Hours ... | 17:45 |
| Khertan1 | it s seems not to use the same referential time than us ... | 17:45 |
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| lardman | it may well be true, stick a big battery in, etc | 17:45 |
| Khertan1 | s/not to/they not use | 17:46 |
| lardman | what does the N810 manage? 3hrs of use? | 17:46 |
| aquatix | lardman: more | 17:46 |
| aquatix | lardman: depending of use | 17:46 |
| Khertan1 | lardman: huhu really more | 17:46 |
| Khertan1 | i ll say 4 hours of videos | 17:46 |
| andrewfblack | I can get 5 hours doing GPS | 17:46 |
| aquatix | yeah, something like that indeed | 17:46 |
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| lardman | yeah, mine lasts ages, I can't remember what they said the 10hrs was doing | 17:46 |
| Khertan1 | and 12 hours at least in wifi surfing the web | 17:46 |
| andrewfblack | I have anice battery pack for mine now so I don't remember last time it was dead | 17:47 |
| PauloZanoni | which repository will give me a x11-dev package? | 17:47 |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: well, i don't let mine go dead :) | 17:47 |
| aquatix | `battery low' -> run to power outlet | 17:48 |
| lardman | PauloZanoni: the standard maemo one used for scratchbox | 17:49 |
| lardman | I presume | 17:49 |
| PauloZanoni | lardman: I just wanted to do a "gcc -lX11 -lXtst" inside the device (not on any other machine or test environment) | 17:50 |
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| lardman | PauloZanoni: well add the standard repo which is used by the ARM scratchbox target | 17:51 |
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| PauloZanoni | lardman: thx. I'll try to find its url =) | 17:53 |
| lardman | I would tell you but I'm on a Windows box atm, sorry | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12 | PauloZanoni: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 17:55 |
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| PauloZanoni | qwerty12: thanks! =) | 18:03 |
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| Khertan1 | someone know lorelei ? | 18:06 |
| Khertan1 | an itt member | 18:07 |
| Khertan1 | does he come on #maemo ? | 18:07 |
| aquatix | sounds like a girl ;) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen lorelei | 18:09 |
| aquatix | laggy bot | 18:09 |
| infobot | lorelei <n=asuka@211.76.35.95> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 618d 2h 3m 7s ago, saying: 'sorry, I am busy to watch tv'. | 18:09 |
| aquatix | wow | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | woah, infobot is a perv | 18:09 |
| inz | That's one long tv watching session | 18:09 |
| * Stskeeps tries installing upstart on deblet and see how it blows up | 18:10 | |
| aquatix | qwerty12: why perv? | 18:10 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: stalker-y? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: it keeps track of people that haven't been seen in about ~2 years :p | 18:10 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | scary, it booted | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: worked for me in maemo, just shutting down would hang :D | 18:10 |
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| Khertan1 | lol | 18:15 |
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| Khertan1 | ~seen ibot | 18:15 |
| infobot | ibot is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 42m 23s) #iteam (1d 12h 42m 23s) ##bspress (1d 12h 42m 23s) #brlcad (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds (1d 12h 42m 23s) #utah (1d 12h 42m 23s) #oe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #zaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #gllug (1d 12h 42m 23s) #pillbox (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds-gpe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #openzaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #silvercat (1d 12h 42m ... | 18:15 |
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| oilinki | is there any numbers how many people are running maemo mapper on the tablets? | 18:17 |
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| andre__ | how to count? | 18:19 |
| oilinki | maybe downloads? | 18:19 |
| oilinki | well. I have no idea how many tablets are out there | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: replaced sh with dash, maemo-launcher init script is not compatible with it >.<. But the rest is all good and it does seem to be booting faster. let me change maemo-launcher script back to busybox sh. | 18:20 |
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| elekt | dance! | 18:22 |
| * sp3000 sees "Closing old moreinfo bugs in Maemo Bugzilla" | 18:27 | |
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| * sp3000 wonders what additional information such closing adds to the bugs | 18:28 | |
| * timeless notes it's very informative | 18:28 | |
| sp3000 | I suppose it's ok if not applied too liberally | 18:28 |
| sp3000 | and, hm, moreinfo is manual | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | yeah, that should be ok as long as it's not an essay | 18:29 |
| * sp3000 got kneejerk expi rash on first sight | 18:29 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | someone know if abiword stock a reference to an inserted image or if the image is stored in the file itself | 18:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: heh, i have a negative effect on deblet when using upstart, that's interesting | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | then again nothing is really dependancy-based | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, atm, I'm fixing scripts that don't like being run by dash >.< | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | maemo-launcher and ke-recv are 2 so far | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | bashisms? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Seems like it, but busybox's ash runs them fine :/ | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | stuff like = and == or? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | I can't be bothered to go through the scripts again so ones that are not compatible with dash, I make the 1st line be: #!/bin/busybox sh (on my N800, /bin/sh --> /bin/bash) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll set up upstart now :>. My maemo deb is .2.0 out of date. Plus I need to fix it hanging on shutdown | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:55 |
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| matmo | g'day. Can anyone point me to documentation/example for "maemo-version", assuming this is what I need to detect platform/version for conditional compile? | 19:00 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, not many last minute council nominations | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: btw, you know like we have to compile statically for initfs? I saw this: http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ and I wondered if we could get smaller static binaries with it than with uclibc? | 19:11 |
| lardman | Jaffa: how long left? | 19:12 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: erm, 23:59 UTC so about 5 hours or so? | 19:14 |
| lardman | Right, have emailed the list as per the instructions | 19:14 |
| lardman | cu chaps later | 19:15 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|gone: ah, cool - thanks | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: dash isn't that useful on a tablet, it's missing the builtin source command which is quite vital. osso-system-ui has messed up locales (i.e it won't say shutdown, offline mode etc) | 19:21 |
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| Knowledge | Sooo....about that new internet tablet that's coming out.... | 19:28 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: when you say debiantools, do you mean debianutils? | 19:30 |
| johnx | Knowledge, do you know something I don't? | 19:31 |
| Knowledge | Nah, I was hoping someone else did.... | 19:31 |
| Knowledge | damn it | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 19:31 |
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| johnx | Knowledge, just do like i do: stalk itt forums and engadget.com | 19:32 |
| johnx | if you want to be more complete follow a couple more tech sites | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it will probably do wonders when debian crew use it officially but atm, it's incompatible osso-af which is quite vital :/ | 19:32 |
| johnx | one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about? | 19:32 |
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| Knowledge | I hope | 19:33 |
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| johnx | s/about?/about :)/ | 19:34 |
| infobot | johnx meant: one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about :) | 19:34 |
| johnx | I really don't know where that "?" came from O_o | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: is lxde compatible with let's say nm-applet and extensible regarding adding stuff to panels and such? (if i was to make a more "stable" standard environment than nit-env-stskeeps) | 19:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure it has a systray | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | and how does on screen kbd go with it, if at all? | 19:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, The window manager is openbox. I need to play with my config a bit before I'm happy I think... | 19:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, also, have you seen the alternate layout for matchbox-keyboard? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | nop? screenshots? | 19:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, in a couple minutes. :) | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | my main experience with m-k is that in some wm's it fits in nicely in the bottom and in others it becomes a window, which goes amok if tried to be resized:P | 19:39 |
| johnx | openbox is pretty configurable | 19:39 |
| johnx | it has nice support for matching window names/classes and performing actions on certain windows, i.e. maximize, don't decorate, resize, place here | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:41 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, did you see my screenshot last night? | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | gah @ isp | 19:47 |
| johnx | I need to play with the way matchbox keyboard gets treated... | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: no, but i'll look at the maemo irc logs | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah - yes, i saw that one | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | (new-screenie2) | 19:48 |
| johnx | yeah | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | looks good - you force all apps to be fullscreen or? | 19:49 |
| johnx | they're just maximized with their titlebar hidden by default | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, or automatically maximized | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:49 |
| johnx | You can get the titlebar back and resize as you see fit on a case-by-case basis | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | looks good | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | does lxde do libgtkstylus or? | 19:50 |
| johnx | yup | 19:50 |
| johnx | and it's a heck of a lot lighter than xfce | 19:50 |
| johnx | I have it on my zaurus now too :) | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | if you get bored, nit-env-lxde is still up for grabs ;) | 19:50 |
| johnx | I'll see how far I can get tonight | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | since deblet definately needs a just as functional environment as beta3 did | 19:51 |
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| johnx | so you're having good results with nm-applet? | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not confident it's nm's fault there's occasional unstable wifi or not | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | other deblet users prefer other ones | 19:52 |
| johnx | well, deblet is the distro for people who want to paint the shed a different color :D | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:53 |
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| johnx | ok, openbox does not love matchbox-keyboard...I just need to find out why... | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, more than likely, yes | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: ahh, because I've got debianutils installed on my tablet for dialog | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | I used a dirty hack to install it but I may be able to clean it up | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | ~seen brontide | 20:01 |
| infobot | brontide is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 26m 22s). Has said a total of 58 messages. Is idling for 13h 33m 55s, last said: 'GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me'. | 20:01 |
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| * qwerty12 waits for mkfs.jffs2 to churn an jffs2 backup of my rootfs... | 20:04 | |
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| johnx | qwerty12, when did you start using Linux? | 20:06 |
| rm_you | johnx: johnx! :P | 20:06 |
| johnx | (random question, out of curiosity) | 20:06 |
| johnx | rm_you, :D | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: remind me when you turn adult to hire you if i have a company :P | 20:06 |
| johnx | rm_you, how go things? and stuff? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: about a month after I got my tablet, which was around last year. I'd read tons of linux books before that and had used linux before that but I wasn't serious then :) | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: :) | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | doing pratice to learn is the best thing to do | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you should set up a donation box, when i was 15 i actually got quite a decent amount of donations in from my work on my irc daemon | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | look at me ... i ve never write a line of python before i get my nit | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:09 |
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| rm_you | johnx: things and stuff happen. i mentioned we got a neko, i believe... it is very cute :) and starting up classes and things | 20:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: you are lucky i never get donation for kmeteos | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | kmeteo | 20:09 |
| johnx | rm_you, did you get the computer situation figured out better? | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | except a nice bill from my web host | 20:10 |
| rm_you | working on routing two internet connections together through one linux box | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Wow. I'm not inclined to work for donations :) (though I do want money in my real job when I get one obviously :D) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i don't work for the donations, they just help | 20:10 |
| rm_you | i have a 24port gigabit managed switch :P | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Cool, what did you used to program in? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: i've always managed to get free hosting from people.. perk of it being irc :P | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | which send me a 200 dollars bill for bandwith limit | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | 45000 download the same day | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: but if we count donations since i was 15 i think i've gotten atleast ~1500 usd over time | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | for a bloody ircd | 20:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | huhu | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | and that doesn't count hosting | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: that reminds me as I'm doing this, if I did make bootmenu support backing up mtdblock4, I'd have to shove a notice in to remind people to turn on rd mode >.< | 20:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t get a donation i get a bill (i ve paid 200 euros) | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: shit, ~$1500!?! | 20:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | and leave them 5 min after | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: 10 dollar per user does add up | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | (or more, what they choose to donate) | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | heh, that's brilliant :) | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum maybe i ll get some donation for mCalendar ? | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | hihi ... i don t believe | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | but I don't really have anything to call my own, I just compile other people's programs and search for little hacks | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: if you have happy users and it's non-intrusive that you're asking for donations, it might come | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i've gotten 100$ for setting up an ircd on a shell account, don't underestimate the hacks :P | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do you mean by 'non-intrusive' ? | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: lol | 20:14 |
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| * Khertan_n810 his happy ... mCalendar gui is now better, sync log and multi calendar sync are debugged | 20:16 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | and tomorrow i ll try to do a real ui for mContacts | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: my donation method is basically a paypal button on home page, putting donator name in the credits of programs and a text file stating that "we give you this program for free, but we put a lot of effort, time and money into making this program. If you appreciate this program, you can donate <here>, - anything will do" :P | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | i've gotten weird hardware at some point too, but it -did- help :P | 20:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide: are you here ? | 20:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: hum used the same method in the past without success | 20:19 |
| * rm_you goes to pay rent | 20:19 | |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: you're doing the right thing with mcalendar atleast, you seem to be involved with your users | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | then again, i also did support for people quite often, which increased donations | 20:20 |
| rm_you | I really wonder when I'll find time this semester to do the control panel applet portion of ABL <_< | 20:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: "If you appreciate my work and would like to show it, there's a donation box <here>. Anything will do". I'd actually donate :P | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Heh, lol, thanks :) | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: i m trying to do a usefull calendar app for maemo | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | but in the end it comes down to that with OSS projects - I get more money off working per week than i get in half a year of donations | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: which is bloody needed | 20:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | i found that maemo lack from a good calendar | 20:22 |
| rm_you | Khertan_n810: truth | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | great, my rootfs finally dumped, now I can start testing upstart :> | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i would be happy with a decent ical viewer | 20:23 |
| rm_you | i tried to use gpe calendar, but it is only soso | 20:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | same things for contacts app | 20:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | personnaly i found that using gpe is a real pain | 20:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | interface isn t designed for maemo | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | quote of the day: "and your deblet installer has more dependencies than a sociopath." | 20:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | and alarm need that pe work in background | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | automatically transfered through my netbank here | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | self.bp_autosync = self.wTree.get_widget("bp_autosync" | 20:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouch sorry | 20:27 |
| liri | canola can't play videos/music over nfs/sabma yet right? | 20:31 |
| GAN8001 | UPnP is better. | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | what does canola look for to identify images, cos it cant find anything even though i have stuff on my drives? | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liri: You may be able to mount your smb share and add it to the scanned dirs. | 20:32 |
| GAN8001 | You have to add search directories. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you happen to know if there's any stuff like blkid to get UUIDs in initfs? | 20:32 |
| liri | GAN8001: : does it support upnp? | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | liri, yes. . . . | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | (from block partitions) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | ahhhh gan, ill go hunting | 20:33 |
| liri | qwerty12_N800: well that's the alternative | 20:33 |
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| Khertan_n810 | streaming video is like using a fat16 to write a 4Go file ! | 20:33 |
| liri | GAN8001: ahh nice, but I don't know if mythtv supports that and how | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | It should | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | along with transcoding. | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. if busybox has the feature, compile that statically. i'll compile a blkid binary tomorrow | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:35 |
| liri | Khertan: finished with nNotes already? :-) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm just thinking it could prolly be better for a bootmenu to look for UUIDs instead of block devices.. so people can switch sd cards etc and we can tell them no such partition etc ;) | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i still wonder if dietlibc is smaller than uclibb | 20:36 |
| * GAN8001 is off | 20:36 | |
| GAN8001 | Have fun with the Sprint. ;) | 20:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: hehe | 20:36 |
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| liri | Khertan: I'm just enjoying bugging you, ignore my comments. Is there a way I can help though? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: your screenshots on http://khertan.net/mcalendar/mcalendar.php are broken btw | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | the css too | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | where do you get this url ? | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | the right is : http://khertan.net/mcalendar.php | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | was referred to it from garage project | 20:39 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... it s sad | 20:39 |
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| liri | Khertan: when it "syncs" to google calendar, does it download all calendar items? | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | it do it the first time | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | but after i just look at the updated one | 20:41 |
| ToyKeeper | Is there any way to flash a n810 without a USB cable? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | ToyKeeper: internally from tablet, maybe | 20:41 |
| liri | Khertan: but still, is there a way to limit it to download from date x to date y? | 20:42 |
| ToyKeeper | Just curious; I got one slightly used and everything except the cable is included. Not sure if I need to go buy one. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's a fairly standard usb cable afaik | 20:42 |
| ToyKeeper | Yeah, it's just a size I don't have. | 20:42 |
| lcuk | toykeeper, ive used about 3 times - twice for flashing, and once to play with a usb keyboard (before going out getting a bt one) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | used mine ^ | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: thx for the broken link | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve just updated garage | 20:43 |
| ToyKeeper | Yeah, I don't expect to use it much. But I do want to flash it once in a while. | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | ToyKeeper, get yourself a replacement from nokia or elsewhere then | 20:44 |
| ToyKeeper | :) | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | so what does people think about bounty-based projects? having a base project, and then if X people put in a bounty (money) for a certain feature to be added, and developer Y implements feature, users X agrees this is what they wanted and the money then flows to developer Y? | 20:45 |
| liri | Khertan: so what about that calendar sync? I'm asking because I use like 10 calendars altogether and they're pretty large. I wouldn't want to be downloading hundreds of megabyte worth of data (even if it's one time). | 20:46 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats the way it should be :) once a developer begins taking in outside requests to do code he himself would not undertake on his own back, his time should be compensated - OSS doesnt prevent that, it just gives more people the opportunity to assist | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking a bit at http://micropledge.com/ | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | seems interesting | 20:48 |
| Pebby | Stskeeps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol ;) | 20:48 |
| melmoth | I am happy to announce a first usable demo of sayhoo (a "find your route with a rentabike in paris" application) :-) | 20:49 |
| melmoth | http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it could be an interesting method to induce tablet programming atleast | 20:55 |
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| mikkov_ | melmoth: sayhoo looks interesting. Where does it get it's routing data? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i believe there is a bounty section on the garage | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'd never trust garage with money though :P but that's just me | 20:58 |
| jott | Stskeeps: i already recieved a bounty for a garage project :D. | 20:59 |
| melmoth | mikkov_: open street maps | 21:00 |
| jott | the system works :). | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:00 |
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| jott | but encouraging others to pay a bounty is nice as a little incentive. | 21:02 |
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| liri | ok got upnp up on mythtv, now to figure out how to get it working on canola | 21:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: btw, mmc block numbers are funky in maemo : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | oh bloody hell | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | -that's- what that fix is for | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lol, you removed it!?! | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | no, i didn't use INT_CARD/EXT_CARD | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, i'll wait for you to fix before installing debian again :) | 21:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: what partition size would you recommend for deblet? atm i've got a 2gb partition | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i run with 1.8-9gb or something | 21:31 |
| johnx | I guess it depends on how many things you want to compile... | 21:31 |
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| mikkov_ | melmoth: so sayhoo should work in other cities than Paris too | 21:32 |
| melmoth | yep | 21:32 |
| melmoth | but, if it s bigger than paris, chances are there will be not enough ram on the tablet | 21:32 |
| mikkov_ | luckily helsinki isn't bigger than paris ;) | 21:33 |
| melmoth | mikkov_: you can 'easily' prepare the same for helsinky wiht the tools directory | 21:33 |
| melmoth | first look at feed-osm-db.py | 21:34 |
| melmoth | at the bottom, change the settinfs so it match a retangle containing helsinky | 21:34 |
| melmoth | launch it, it will download info from openstreetmap, and create the database. | 21:34 |
| melmoth | do the same with downloadtiles.py | 21:35 |
| mikkov_ | ok, going to try it | 21:35 |
| melmoth | and , then , you also need to prepare a pickle jar. with create-pickle.py | 21:35 |
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| melmoth | the pickle jar is the graph of street and ways so that python can load it without having to compute it live again | 21:36 |
| melmoth | finally, i think in sayhooGlobals.py you have to tell where to start from (as far as displaying the tiles are concerned) | 21:37 |
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| andrewfblack | if anyone is interested looks like google chrome is out | 21:57 |
| lardman | is there an url? | 21:58 |
| lardman | Anyone have a recommendation for a windiff (i.e. graphical diff) for Gnome? | 21:58 |
| andrewfblack | http://www.google.com/chrome | 21:58 |
| lardman | lol, easy as that | 21:58 |
| andrewfblack | installing now | 21:59 |
| andrewfblack | got to love it it will even install on my work computer which doens't have admin access :) | 21:59 |
| Juhaz | lardman, meld | 21:59 |
| johnx | yay! windows only! woo! | 21:59 |
| lardman | Juhaz: great, looks ideal :) | 22:00 |
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| andrewfblack | lol well only think I have done with it so far is itt forums and the funny thing it they do seem to run better | 22:02 |
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| liri | is mediaserv from mediautils supposed to be a upnp server? | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: damnit, now i have to refactor a hell lot of stuff to make this stuff :P | 22:07 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: lol, ouch, i just thought you would have to do a sed :p | 22:08 |
| lardman | Juhaz: works really well, many thanks | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: i wish | 22:10 |
| qwerty12-N800 | :/ | 22:10 |
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| jott | so anyone ported chrome to maemo yet? :> | 22:16 |
| johnx | jott, heh...it's not even out for linux :P | 22:17 |
| RST38h | why? | 22:17 |
| Pebby | I have several libraries compiling in scratchbox and I would like to make debian packages to get them on my n810 easily - is there a good way to build them all as one super-package, or do they have to be separate ones? | 22:17 |
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| ToyKeeper | Heard of any fitaly keyboards for maemo? | 22:19 |
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| jott | johnx: wonder what's missing :), download takes quite a while 450mb.. | 22:22 |
| jott | and only 450kb/s... | 22:22 |
| johnx | 450MB? | 22:22 |
| johnx | seriously? | 22:22 |
| jott | the source, yes. | 22:24 |
| jott | probably includes test cases etc. | 22:24 |
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| johnx | i wonder if they wrote their own toolkit or if they're using xul or what... | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | they are using webkit | 22:28 |
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| jott | RST38h: that does not tell much about the toolkit used.. | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | it lasted about 3 seconds | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | jott: means that they are likely to have something on their own | 22:36 |
| RST38h | jott: my guess - javascript-based | 22:36 |
| RST38h | "Google Chrome relies on Apple's WebKit software for rendering Web pages, he said" -- does WebKit belong to Apple now? | 22:37 |
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| andrewfblack | I need to find me a good portable IRC Client For Windows I hate using mibbit. | 22:44 |
| liri | pidgin for windows is nice | 22:44 |
| andrewfblack | I forgot it has IRC Client in it, Its already installed on my thumb drive lol | 22:45 |
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| liri | yep | 22:49 |
| liri | pidgin has like everything in it :) | 22:49 |
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| andrewfblack | can't get pidgin to connect to freenode.net | 22:56 |
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| RST38h | don't - it will suck anyway | 22:59 |
| RST38h | get xchat | 22:59 |
| andrewfblack | I need something I can run from a USB Stick since I can't install most applications at work | 23:00 |
| * lcuk makes a note to lock down usb on andrews computer tomorrow | 23:00 | |
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| * lcuk also notes "mibbit.com" is not a work related domain | 23:01 | |
| andrewfblack | yeah I have access to anywhere on web just don't have admin writes to install | 23:01 |
| andrewfblack | some things install fine some don't | 23:01 |
| lcuk | tell me about it, i had a tough time installing the latest botnet on my work machine | 23:02 |
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| andrewfblack | the heck with it I'll just stick with mibbit | 23:03 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 just haxed my school computers, i install whatever | 23:04 | |
| mavhc | mirc will run portably iirc | 23:04 |
| andrewfblack | Mirc will run but it heard it doesn't save your settings or anything that might not be write not sure | 23:05 |
| coffee | Hi. any gtk+ gurus here that aren't on #gkt+? is it possible somehow to left align text (and pixmap) on a toggle button? | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, run mirc in a writable environment, get the settings as you want them | 23:07 |
| lcuk | then transfer to usb? | 23:07 |
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| ToyKeeper | Yay, pidgin is still broken in the same way as it was 5 years ago... it can't grok multiple connections to the same server. | 23:11 |
| ToyKeeper | (as happens with dircproxy) | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | re | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: was a bit more than sed but i think i made it now.. ugliest code of my life | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:15 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: w00t, great :) | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | updating installerdeb once i've tried to boot using the resulting boot menu items | 23:16 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | cool, i want to install deblet again :) | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: odd question. wouldn't this bug probably also mean that there could be a situation where suddenly my indicated swap partition would change places? | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | (and why did i just have a deja-vu about this?) | 23:19 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. i only use a swap file on the tablet | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | i guess linux would refuse to use it if it wasnt mkswap'ed | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | else it could potentially trash partitions | 23:21 |
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| liri | is anybody using the gpe suite? | 23:23 |
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| timelyx | RST38h: webkit was always an apple product | 23:24 |
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| timelyx | khtml was the older upstream | 23:24 |
| timelyx | RST38h: it's like saying microb uses Mozilla's Gecko | 23:25 |
| timelyx | which it does | 23:25 |
| timelyx | johnx: v8 would need to be ported to arm | 23:25 |
| RST38h | timelyx: yes, but what about konqueror codebase? | 23:25 |
| * melmoth use gpe calendar and contatcs | 23:26 | |
| timelyx | RST38h: that's khtml last i checked | 23:26 |
| RST38h | timelyx: I seem to remember that Apple's Safari rendering engine is taken from konqueror | 23:26 |
| jott | well it's a matter of "respect" if you tell it's origin... | 23:27 |
| RST38h | timelyx: Is WebKit the same thing or something new? | 23:27 |
| jott | webkit is a fork of khtml with many changes | 23:27 |
| timelyx | webkit is the branding of apple's branch of khtml | 23:27 |
| timelyx | they did quite a lot of changes to khtml | 23:27 |
| RST38h | ah | 23:27 |
| timelyx | and expected they couldn't possibly upstream them all | 23:27 |
| RST38h | so it is no longer the original thing | 23:27 |
| RST38h | and apple can rightfully claim the ownership | 23:28 |
| timelyx | from day 0 they didn't expect it to be called khtml | 23:28 |
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| jott | timelyx: mainly because apple did not collaborate in the development process.. :/ | 23:28 |
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| timelyx | jott: apple like google works in secret | 23:29 |
| jott | yep. | 23:29 |
| timelyx | in fact, amusingly a number of the people who worked on safari and chrome | 23:29 |
| jott | well now webkit is open.. | 23:29 |
| Pebby | Anyone know if there's an easy way to set up scratchbox to allow chrooting? I'd like to compile a bunch of things, chroot, install them there, then rsync to my n810... making debian packages already feels unwieldy =/ | 23:29 |
| timelyx | used to work together on firefox | 23:29 |
| timelyx | dave hyatt, ben goodger, mike pinkerton | 23:29 |
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| timelyx | Pebby: scratchboxes are chroots | 23:29 |
| timelyx | you can't really have another layer | 23:30 |
| Pebby | timelyx: I assumed as much, but I can't go in one deeper? | 23:30 |
| jott | Pebby: you can use scratchbox -t $DIR $COMMAND | 23:30 |
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| Pebby | timelyx: Fair enough... I suppose I will just have to configure all these things I'm installing to install to some weird path then rsync to that? | 23:31 |
| jott | from your host env | 23:31 |
| timelyx | depends what you're really trying to do | 23:31 |
| Pebby | jott: sorry, I'm a big newbie with scratchbox - what's that do? | 23:31 |
| jott | Pebby: basically it's like chroot $DIR $COMMAND | 23:31 |
| jott | (not really, as $DIR is not set as root but as the dir to go to) | 23:32 |
| Pebby | timelyx: Well, I have several libraries I want to compile for the n810. They make tons and tons of files, and I'd like to have them all in one place so I can rsync them over to my n810 where I actually want to use them | 23:32 |
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| Pebby | And building debian packages has been mostly frustrating to me... it seems like an unwieldy way to get my compiled stuff to the n810 too | 23:33 |
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| andrewfblack | releasing first version of my newest theme tongiht | 23:35 |
| andrewfblack | Its an Xmen theme | 23:35 |
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| jott | Pebby: if you are just "porting" libraries for now it is *really* better to build debian packages. | 23:39 |
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| timelyx | ok, fwiw v8 is available for arm | 23:43 |
| timelyx | so in theory chrome would have some chance of working on linux-arm | 23:43 |
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| jott | timelyx: well when we have some basic linux support at all :) | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-N800: installerdeb 1.2-7 has fix :) | 23:44 |
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| jott | would still be interesting to see how well v8 performs on arm. | 23:45 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 23:45 |
| jott | http://code.google.com/p/v8/ .. | 23:45 |
| Pebby | jott: Okay, thank you for the suggestions. I think with some scripting I can set up a nice, updating thing... of course I'm porting something that's actively being updated by other people too ;) | 23:46 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, funky, v8's primarily developed 10 meters from my office | 23:46 |
| ||cw | wait, google has their own browser? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | (recognizing some google employees) | 23:46 |
| jott | Pebby: btw i use -> alias sb='scratchbox -d "$(pwd | sed s/\\/scratchbox\\/users\\/$(whoami)//)"' | 23:47 |
| jott | so i can just prefix "sb make" when i am in the /scratchbox/user/$USER/home/$USER dir | 23:47 |
| Pebby | jott: nice, that's much easier than entering the environment | 23:48 |
| jott | Stskeeps: you work for google? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | jott: no, google has offices across the road from where i work at uni - IT cluster in town | 23:48 |
| jott | ah, k. | 23:48 |
| Pebby | jott: One thing I've also found is that I have to change my 'march' CFLAG from arm to armv5 when building some things under sbox... is that odd? | 23:49 |
| jott | actually it should work without it. but who knows what build system might fail :) | 23:50 |
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| Pebby | jott: Hehe, the only info on it I could find online (it fails on a very particular thing) is that the binary wouldn't work if maemo were running on something maemo does not run on ;) | 23:51 |
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| Khertgan_again | i ve just tested chrome | 23:56 |
| Khertgan_again | seems to be a nice browser | 23:56 |
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