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| Sargun | Maemo is GTK based, right? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:06 |
| Mek | for now, yeah... | 00:06 |
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| GAN800 | Mek, not gonna change anytime soon. | 00:33 |
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| melmoth | oups | 00:34 |
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| crashanddie | melmoth, stoi la boulette | 00:42 |
| crashanddie | CloudReader: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFir0_5Jws | 00:43 |
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| lbt | any canola people here - does it work on nfs folders? | 00:56 |
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| moontiger | i use mediabox :) | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | what are the "accepted" Section values for .debs again ? | 01:08 |
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| moontiger | does anybody know how to get a gripper handle on the bottom left of a home screen window? | 01:14 |
| moontiger | bottom right i mean | 01:14 |
| moontiger | :| | 01:15 |
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| GNUton | night | 01:19 |
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| moontiger | crashanddie, user free non-free afaik | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | moontiger, no. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's in the repo | 01:26 |
| moontiger | oh | 01:26 |
| moontiger | my bad sorry | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's talking Section: User/Utilities Section | 01:27 |
| * moontiger shuts up | 01:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Extras is just free and non-free. :P | 01:27 |
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| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, how do i get the gpg key for uploading to extras again? :) | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~uploading-extras | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras-uploading | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 01:29 |
| infobot | upload-extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 01:29 |
| moontiger | hehe nice! :) | 01:29 |
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| shapr | @yow ! | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, there is no internet category ? That sucks | 01:40 |
| * shapr hugs GeneralAntilles | 01:41 | |
| * GeneralAntilles 's Tyrant hugs shapr. | 01:42 | |
| shapr | yipes! | 01:42 |
| jaska | oh its you | 01:43 |
| shapr | yes it is! | 01:43 |
| shapr | heippa hei! | 01:43 |
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| jaska | moo | 01:43 |
| shapr | hyvää huomenta! | 01:43 |
| jaska | bit early for that | 01:44 |
| shapr | well, yeah... | 01:44 |
| shapr | hyvää ihltaa? | 01:44 |
| shapr | anyway.... | 01:44 |
| jaska | iltaa :) | 01:44 |
| shapr | bah, I never could spell Finnish :-( | 01:44 |
| shapr | I'm better with Swedish. | 01:45 |
| jaska | heh, i remember you lived around here for a while | 01:45 |
| shapr | joo | 01:45 |
| shapr | Are you in Oulu? | 01:45 |
| shapr | Or was that a country-wide 'around here' ? | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, an app that downloads/displays an RSS feed about general news, where should that go ? Communication ? accessories ? tools ? other ? | 01:46 |
| jaska | naah, alahärmä (east of vaasa), but i you used to be in a chan where i was iirc | 01:46 |
| jaska | prolly with myrddraal or someone | 01:46 |
| shapr | or #debian-fi ? | 01:46 |
| shapr | I haven't seen myrddraal in a long time. | 01:46 |
| jaska | ditto | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | in doubt, I'll put it in other | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | accessories, maybe, but I don't actually know | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | That PDF might have more info | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't paid much attention. | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | nha, it doesn't say a lot | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | just gives an example for an office app, but your guess is as good as mine | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Get with X-Fade when he gets back from vacation | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | He needs some help. ;) | 01:49 |
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| crashanddie | As in, I just uploaded my package, how long before I see it? :P | 02:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ~5 minutes | 02:13 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, ok | 02:13 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm sure that the fact it's me is why the build takes 20+ minutes :D | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | if (username == "crashanddie") sleep(3600); | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | /that's for bitching about the votes | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | opengl es 2.0 bling on Omap 3530 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFUbqoNgs8 | 02:46 |
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| Dekaritae | So, a friend of mine had his notebook taken at customs coming back from the states | 02:52 |
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| moontiger | Dekaritae, serious? which customs? | 02:57 |
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| Dekaritae | Well he flew back from florida to ontario | 02:57 |
| moontiger | us customs took it? | 02:58 |
| aspect | coming *from* the states? I thought that was supposed to happen the other way around? | 02:58 |
| Dekaritae | The agent put it on the inspection conveyor, and he went through the metal detector, and when they were done processing him it was gone, and no one knew anything about it | 02:58 |
| moontiger | oh so it wasnt customs as such then? | 02:59 |
| Dekaritae | Sucks less 'cause it was a work laptop, but still | 02:59 |
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| Dekaritae | It was outbould from florida | 03:02 |
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| moontiger | does anyone know where i can find alist of the stock icons available in maemo? | 03:09 |
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| mikkov_ | moontiger: depends what you mean by stock icons. Here's gtk stock icons http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/gtk-stock-items.html | 03:14 |
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| moontiger | mikkov_, they dont look like that on the n8x0 tho right? | 03:16 |
| mikkov_ | depends on the theme, I think | 03:16 |
| moontiger | ok so if i want icons instead of text for buttons i can use the stock icons and things will be ok? | 03:16 |
| mikkov_ | should be | 03:17 |
| GAN800 | /usr/share/icons | 03:18 |
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| * GeneralAntilles loves the OGG bug | 03:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the wonderful place for all the retards to come and illustrate to the world the depths of their retardation. | 03:34 |
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| derf | Which bug is this? | 03:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 | 03:37 |
| n800m | i cannots plays my oggs plzkthx | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | People need to get a grip | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was it advertise on the box? | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | advertised* | 03:38 |
| brontide | I love how it can play ogg..... since all the Navigation cues are stored in ogg ;-) | 03:43 |
| derf | I should post a comment telling them to get on #maemo and start cracking the whip on lardman. | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | package still not built :( | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | me wonders if he did it correctly... | 03:51 |
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| tank-man | "Was it advertise on the box" <-- sounds like an apple user ;) | 03:56 |
| tank-man | j/k | 03:57 |
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| moontiger | thnx GAN800 :) | 04:06 |
| moontiger | GeneralAntilles, i thought you were talking about me there :| | 04:06 |
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| AFBN810 | what would cause invalid package error? | 05:13 |
| AFBN810 | Trying to install usb control | 05:13 |
| AFBN810 | Any idea? | 05:15 |
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| Luria | I love taking my nokia to the big glass apple store | 06:27 |
| moontiger | first rule of debugging: there IS something wrong with your code | 06:28 |
| moontiger | *sighs* | 06:28 |
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| ljp | second rule of debugging: blame someone else | 06:31 |
| n800m | that's the first rule of not debugging | 06:32 |
| moontiger | its more a zen-like acceptance that there is something wrong with your code | 06:33 |
| moontiger | THEN you can find it and fix it | 06:33 |
| moontiger | :) | 06:33 |
| moontiger | after beating your head against the desk for 3hrs first of course | 06:34 |
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| Dekaritae | Too many bands nowadays are using Apple commercials as the basis for music videos | 06:41 |
| Dekaritae | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4823630738661410743 | 06:41 |
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| n800m | you owe me | 06:45 |
| n800m | this is worse than half than the internet | 06:46 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 06:47 |
| Pavlz | few days ago we spoken about the free software distribution thinked for nokia 770 | 06:48 |
| Pavlz | which is the URL ? | 06:49 |
| pupnik | thanks Dekaritae. now i need to kill something. | 06:50 |
| pupnik | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lob800-1.html?S_TACT=105AGX03&S_CMP=EDU | 06:50 |
| pupnik | Linux on board: Developing for the Nokia N800 | 06:50 |
| Pavlz | why to kill ? | 06:55 |
| Pavlz | i must create now a # for i, my friends and family, why with cell phone finishing many money | 06:57 |
| Pavlz | here in italy all is more expensive | 06:57 |
| Pavlz | ah, i would inform you that the charge battery of my nokia 770 yesterday finished to live | 06:59 |
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| Pavlz | the nokia 770 works to 5 volts to 850 mA =4, 25 watt | 07:02 |
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| Pavlz | so to find another one i am thinking to use a sony ericsson Standard Charger CST-20 BML 162 170/1 R3A | 07:04 |
| Pavlz | 100-240 Volt till 150 mA 50-60 Hz | 07:05 |
| Pavlz | and 4,9 Volt to 850 mA | 07:05 |
| Pavlz | model dc4-3102eu | 07:05 |
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| Pavlz | is a sony ericsson thinked for a cellular phone | 07:06 |
| Pavlz | you must only remove the cable from the charger of nokia 770 and to sold on the circuit | 07:07 |
| Pavlz | and the joke is done | 07:07 |
| pupnik | bene | 07:07 |
| pupnik | it works yes? | 07:08 |
| pupnik | i found differening voltages are problematic for charget | 07:08 |
| Pavlz | the cables are the sames, one has the plug more big, the other of nokia 770 is more little | 07:08 |
| Pavlz | this is the difference | 07:08 |
| Pavlz | 5 volt or 4,9 are the same thik | 07:09 |
| Pavlz | take a multimeter | 07:10 |
| Pavlz | and set on DC Volt | 07:10 |
| Pavlz | then see the difference is in the order oof 10% max | 07:10 |
| Pavlz | 4,9 + 0.049 = 4,949 Volt | 07:12 |
| Pavlz | the charger of nokia 770 works to 5 volts to 890 mA | 07:15 |
| Pavlz | it means the the battery does not to finish immediately as happen with charger of nokia 770 | 07:16 |
| Pavlz | this is the little difference 0,40 mA | 07:16 |
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| * GeneralAntilles loves that the N800 picked up internet from the local ISP at the park. | 07:56 | |
| n800n | <3 | 07:56 |
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| n800n | the usb port doesn't recharge battery, correct? | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you want to open it up and hack in some leads. ;) | 07:59 |
| n800n | hm... no. tempting | 08:00 |
| n800n | i tried sautering an ide port on a laptop once | 08:00 |
| Pavlz | take a max 232 | 08:00 |
| n800n | not good. | 08:00 |
| n800n | max 232? | 08:01 |
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| Pavlz | and realize a circuit with a ttl converter to 3.7 volt | 08:01 |
| Pavlz | then a slot for a battery easy to do | 08:01 |
| n800n | was thinking about getting a hand crank | 08:01 |
| Pavlz | and 2 pins 2 | 08:02 |
| Pavlz | red and black | 08:02 |
| Pavlz | and all is finish | 08:02 |
| n800n | i've been watchin Lost with my gf | 08:02 |
| n800n | an the n800 would really help on that island | 08:02 |
| Pavlz | and when the battery is charged you put in nokia n800 | 08:03 |
| Pavlz | wich island ? | 08:03 |
| n800n | the lost island | 08:03 |
| Pavlz | which ? | 08:03 |
| n800n | The Island | 08:04 |
| Pavlz | ah, | 08:04 |
| n800n | but there's no power | 08:04 |
| Pavlz | i do not know if can help you n800 | 08:04 |
| Pavlz | no power ? | 08:04 |
| n800n | i have wikipedia on it | 08:04 |
| n800n | that helps | 08:05 |
| Pavlz | a little solar panel from 10 watts | 08:05 |
| n800n | what if i'm in the jungle? | 08:05 |
| n800n | hand crank is the best | 08:05 |
| Pavlz | have you got a byke ? | 08:06 |
| n800n | http://www.popgadget.net/2008/05/ecofriendly_han.php | 08:06 |
| n800n | yes | 08:06 |
| n800n | but i can't take it on a plane | 08:06 |
| Pavlz | the dinamo unmount that | 08:06 |
| n800n | don;t have one ;/ | 08:06 |
| Pavlz | the ring of byke ? | 08:07 |
| n800n | ring? | 08:07 |
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| n800n | ii think i'll get that one i linked | 08:08 |
| n800n | then i'll laugh in the face if civilization | 08:08 |
| n800n | while cranking | 08:08 |
| doc|home | civilization always wins :( | 08:09 |
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| Pavlz | use the bell of bike | 08:09 |
| n800n | haha | 08:09 |
| * pupnik listens to awesomeness | 08:09 | |
| pupnik | more great new media added today http://mises.org/media.aspx | 08:10 |
| n800n | sober pupnik? | 08:10 |
| pupnik | no, why? | 08:10 |
| t_s_o | thank the net for lolcatz. it would be a bad day if not... | 08:11 |
| n800n | link clickin considerations | 08:11 |
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| pupnik | educational site. austrian economics. lots of mp3s to feed brain | 08:11 |
| n800n | not mine ;/ | 08:12 |
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| pupnik | i always wondered why i hated economics at university. now i know | 08:13 |
| pupnik | wb generalissimo | 08:13 |
| bef0rd | t_s_o | 08:15 |
| t_s_o | bef0rd: | 08:15 |
| bef0rd | I'm working on that lolcatz application | 08:15 |
| t_s_o | hmm, looking forward to a betatest ;) | 08:15 |
| bef0rd | hehe ok | 08:16 |
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| n800n | obama :No such nick/channel | 08:32 |
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| doc|home | n800n: good, I hear he's a spam bot. Keeps muttering crap about "Change" but then not elaborating on what that change will be when you pm him | 08:33 |
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| n800n | and he's hosted in a terrorist state | 08:34 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | Obama sells warm fuzzies. | 08:35 |
| doc|home | sounds about right for someone whose message was "we will not allow Iran to have a bomb" when neither the CIA nor the IAEA think he's even trying to get one (same for mccainbot too, both whackos) | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | They all need to be fired out of a cannon into the sun. | 08:36 |
| doc|home | pfft, both of them have the standard politicians' coating of teflon. Fucker's would probably survive and declare war on the sun | 08:37 |
| n800n | yeah we should get a swiss guy | 08:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi | 08:42 |
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| GAN800 | Hey, pupnik. | 08:46 |
| GAN800 | Hi, Khertan. | 08:46 |
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| moontiger | hi Khertan :) | 08:47 |
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| GAN800 | Yet another gem from that idiot mutiny32 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176#c79 | 08:52 |
| GAN800 | Somebody please slap him for me if you see him at the Summit. | 08:52 |
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| Khertan_n810 | GAN800: i ll be happy to help you | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe we should give free tshirt to all troller to have a better idea of which people we need a slap each we see it ? | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | what do u think of this proposal ? | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/each/each time | 09:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol i don t know that the name of the codec 'Vorbis' come from Terry Pratchett book | 09:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and so useless thing ... we already have a free audio codec better than ogg : aac | 09:13 |
| doc|home | Khertan_n810: then you'll just be encouraging people to troll | 09:14 |
| doc|home | for example, I know want a t-shirt | 09:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | doc|home: yep ... :) | 09:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | you want a tshirt : 'i m a well know maemo troller' ? | 09:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:17 |
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| emma | What's maemo? | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | maemo.org | 09:19 |
| rmrfchik | re | 09:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | other definition : a community with too many troller | 09:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:20 |
| emma | http://maemo.org | 09:20 |
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| pupnik | yaay why is emma here? | 09:26 |
| pupnik | buy a nokia internet tablet emma. they're lurvely | 09:26 |
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| emma | I just like to explore freenode some times and see what's out there. | 09:27 |
| XTL | :) | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 09:27 |
| XTL | topics are good sources of information about channels | 09:27 |
| emma | I'm afraid I know nothing about maemo, however, taking a cursory glance at the webpage, I think that jussi 16 should have won the contest (in my opinion) http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/logo_contest_results.html | 09:28 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg look emma! | 09:28 |
| pupnik | happy fun thing | 09:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 09:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | this onee is the best logo ! | 09:29 |
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| emma | looks pretty cool. Is Maemo related to the Nokia n800 series? | 09:29 |
| pupnik | yes | 09:29 |
| doc|home | Khertan_n810: only thing better than a nice t-shirt is a free t-shirt! | 09:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep this is the communtity around the internet tablet and the os | 09:29 |
| johnx | ...or something like that | 09:29 |
| pupnik | hehe Khertan_n810 | 09:29 |
| emma | I thought that the OS was some Debian variant on that n800 thing. | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is ... | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | like ubuntu is a debian variant | 09:30 |
| XTL | A nicely schitzoid variant | 09:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | maemo is another ... | 09:31 |
| emma | Oh then is Maemo like a distro? | 09:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 09:31 |
| emma | ahh okay that's pretty cool. | 09:31 |
| emma | So Maemo is a distro, a variant of Debian, that runs on the n800 gadgets? | 09:31 |
| XTL | pretty much | 09:32 |
| XTL | And there's an SDK based on scratchbox | 09:32 |
| XTL | Or two. | 09:32 |
| emma | Okay pretty cool. | 09:32 |
| johnx | it's kind of thrown around as a general term to encompass a lot of tablet related things | 09:32 |
| XTL | For cross-compilation | 09:32 |
| emma | What's an SDK? | 09:32 |
| johnx | Software Development Kit | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: sound has been added btw :) | 09:33 |
| johnx | compilers, documentation, examples, related tools, etc | 09:33 |
| XTL | Maemo's often used as a word for the community side. The other side is Nokia | 09:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. just saw that. Sorry I wasn't more help :/ | 09:33 |
| emma | Okay for writing apps specifically for maemo (or the tablet) ? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, seems like most of the work was lifted from beta3 really | 09:33 |
| XTL | emma: For building them and making packages. Cross-compiling. | 09:33 |
| moontiger | khertan ... do you know how to change the bg color of a label widget? ive tried everything and it wont change :( | 09:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well, that's good at least. I borrowed a lot of that stuff from Mamona in the first place. | 09:34 |
| XTL | build/test/debug/emulate | 09:34 |
| emma | okay so first you write your application and then you use sdk for making them runable on maemo? | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) | 09:34 |
| XTL | emma: Easier than coding on the device :) (some disagree) | 09:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | XTL: False | 09:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | easier to code on device ! | 09:35 |
| XTL | ^^ | 09:35 |
| emma | Is there a maemo repo so that you can use apt-get ? | 09:35 |
| emma | since it is related to debian is there the debian package manager on it? | 09:35 |
| XTL | There's several. One big one. | 09:35 |
| XTL | Apt's there, of course. | 09:35 |
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| emma | Is Maemo much like other Debian based Linux distros if you take it to the command line? | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | emma: pretty much.. there are some minor differences such as using busybox sh instead of bash, but if you know debian, you can get far with maemo | 09:36 |
| moontiger | Khertan, scratch that ... got it | 09:36 |
| XTL | Pretty much. With some tweaks to eg save space etc | 09:37 |
| emma | Could maemo be run on a desktop computer? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | emma: someone has made qemu emulation images of maemo atleast | 09:37 |
| emma | I'm sorry what is qemu? | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | it's software to emulate another machine | 09:38 |
| emma | Ahh I see. | 09:38 |
| emma | But I guess that maemo itself will not be installable on an i86 computer. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | well for development you can run parts of it in the SDK / Scratchbox thing.. but i can't see why you'd want to run it on a i86 as it's very dedicated to the tablet format and usage | 09:40 |
| emma | one thing i like about that n800 is the touchscreen keyboard. | 09:41 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it might be neat to run on an MID | 09:41 |
| johnx | emma, yeah. the touchscreen keyboard is actually pretty nice | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: true, true | 09:42 |
| emma | i don't own an n800 but in fact I intend to get one perhaps soon. | 09:42 |
| emma | I think I want the n810 | 09:42 |
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| emma | I want the one that has the camera but not the pullout keyboard. | 09:42 |
| emma | I don't feel like I have any use for a pull out keyboard. | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | both has camera, n800 has the pop out camera, n810 has the one in front | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | no pullout on n800 | 09:43 |
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| emma | Is the n810 better than the n800 then or not? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | depends on your perspective.. i like n800 better than n810 | 09:43 |
| emma | what do you mean by popout camera? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | i don't need gps or pull out keyboard | 09:44 |
| emma | I sure don't need pullout keyboard. gps maybe... | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | on the side of a n800 theres a circle you can gently push and a camera pops out | 09:44 |
| emma | popsout completely or so you can swivle it or what? | 09:44 |
| johnx | it goes from completely hidden to visible | 09:44 |
| emma | hm. | 09:44 |
| johnx | and you probably want a separate bluetooth GPS anyways | 09:45 |
| Ave | webkit has some hildon stuff going for it, is there a usable frontend (eal?) or anyone tried to compime midori for maemo? | 09:45 |
| johnx | the one on the N810 is pretty slow even when it works | 09:45 |
| emma | but the choice was made in n810 to change the camera design. Why? | 09:45 |
| johnx | Ave, there was a version of midori for maemo a while back | 09:45 |
| johnx | emma, probably to save space and make it less fragile | 09:45 |
| atul | I am using below things in my config.ac on maemo platform | 09:45 |
| atul | base code. | 09:45 |
| atul | if test x$ac_cv_header_apt_pkg_configuration_h != xyes; then | 09:45 |
| atul | AC_ERROR([libapt-pkg not found.]) | 09:45 |
| atul | while doing ./configure form console it gives me | 09:45 |
| atul | below error messages ? How to resolve ? | 09:45 |
| johnx | Ave, not sure if it got updated recently | 09:45 |
| atul | checking apt-pkg/configuration.h usability... no | 09:45 |
| atul | checking apt-pkg/configuration.h presence... no | 09:45 |
| atul | checking for apt-pkg/configuration.h... no | 09:46 |
| atul | configure: error: libapt-pkg not found. | 09:46 |
| Ave | johnx: ok thanks, I'll look around if I can fin dit | 09:46 |
| emma | is the camera a webcam or a digital camera? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | webcam at best | 09:46 |
| kulve | a bad webcam | 09:46 |
| johnx | it's a pretty lame webcam quality | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i still haven't found the cause of the dreaded fsck problem :/ i thought mounting it all correctly with linuxrc, readonly and all would fix it.. even the fix with moving FSCK_LOGFILE | 09:46 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that's so odd... | 09:46 |
| emma | So it's not really good for use as a digital camera then. | 09:47 |
| emma | What is the most recent model? Is it n900s now? | 09:47 |
| johnx | emma, it's not completely awful in direct sunlight | 09:47 |
| johnx | emma, "N900" doesn't exist. It's just speculation. No announcement from Nokia about it at all | 09:47 |
| emma | haha that's a ringing endorsement, "It's not completely awful" | 09:47 |
| Ave | suppose the camera (VGA resolution I think) is meant for stuff like video calls, think skype | 09:48 |
| Ave | nothing else.. | 09:48 |
| XTL | It's hard to use for else since it's pointed at the user | 09:48 |
| johnx | emma, heh. I don't want to make you think it's better than it is. :) | 09:48 |
| Ave | its hard to use because its so sucky quality.. | 09:48 |
| Ave | and currently nothing even harnesses it! | 09:49 |
| johnx | the camera on my "free with contract" cell phone from a year ago is miles better than the N800's cam | 09:49 |
| emma | You guys are masters of the soft sell. | 09:49 |
| johnx | emma, we're interested in the software, not selling hardware for Nokia | 09:49 |
| johnx | :) | 09:49 |
| emma | I get you and I'm just kidding, but it sounds like maemo mainly just runs on this hardware. | 09:50 |
| johnx | and also, if you buy it and hate it you'll just be back here to yell at us :D | 09:50 |
| Ave | http://bundyo.org/maemo/midori/ | 09:50 |
| XTL | Phone cameras have gotten pretty amazing anyway | 09:50 |
| Ave | that is all | 09:50 |
| johnx | XTL, it's too bad Nokia didn't have a nicer camera lying around to put in the tablets :/ | 09:50 |
| Ave | shoud have bought a module from sonyericsson | 09:51 |
| Ave | what a heresy | 09:51 |
| XTL | :) | 09:51 |
| * johnx has no loyalty to huge hardware vendors | 09:51 | |
| emma | having even a low end, say 5 mega pixel , digital camera in there would be pretty cool. | 09:51 |
| Ave | its quit big tho what I've seen, so wouldnthave fitted | 09:51 |
| Ave | also I'm looking forward on trying out andrdoid on the n810 hardware | 09:52 |
| johnx | having even a working 1MP camera with white-balance control would be a *huge* improvement | 09:52 |
| XTL | One that doesn't take weeks to get from zero to picture | 09:52 |
| Ave | well the concensus is that the current camera is almost unusable joke | 09:52 |
| emma | I have heard of people putting Kubuntu on one of these n800s | 09:52 |
| bef0rd | debian | 09:53 |
| Ave | once the debian armel port is finished it oughta just plop right in | 09:53 |
| Ave | prolly usable even now? | 09:53 |
| johnx | Ave, well, kubuntu will plop right in after a couple weeks of compilation :) | 09:53 |
| johnx | debian+kde will be just a click away | 09:53 |
| emma | but what a person really needs is that touchscreen keyboard or they are doomed. | 09:54 |
| timely | GAN800: wanna explain to c80 (private/public) how to use mailprefs to skip mail by votes | 09:54 |
| emma | sounds like that touchscreen keyboard is given by maemo | 09:54 |
| emma | kubuntu doesn't have it. | 09:54 |
| Ave | n810 needs no virtual keyboard | 09:54 |
| emma | why not? | 09:54 |
| johnx | emma, there are a couple software keyboards, but the mameo one is the best one I've used | 09:55 |
| Ave | bc it has a real one | 09:55 |
| atul | Esworp : How to install libapt-pkg inside scratch-box ? | 09:55 |
| johnx | N810 = slide out keyboard. N800 = onscreen keyboard only | 09:55 |
| emma | that's what i thought but someone said it has no pullout keyboard. | 09:55 |
| emma | I think that the 800 is better then. | 09:55 |
| wiza | and that is the reason why I didn't buy internet tablet before n810 | 09:55 |
| atul | How to install libapt-pkg inside scratch-box ? | 09:55 |
| emma | why would i want a pullout keyboard? As if I'm going to use something like an n800 to write my novel. | 09:56 |
| wiza | emma: how is n800 better than n810 since they are about the same, except n810 has keyboard and internal gps | 09:56 |
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| emma | The internal gps is indeed intriguing. | 09:56 |
| timely | Stskeeps: of course, ubuntu defaults to dash... so sh differences aren't that rare :) | 09:56 |
| emma | that must make it much more expensive though. | 09:56 |
| johnx | emma, pullout is better for IM/IRC :) | 09:56 |
| emma | does it actually come with working gps? | 09:56 |
| wiza | and the keyboard is imho better for irc,im,email | 09:56 |
| emma | i just don't know. | 09:57 |
| emma | how much does the 800 cost and how much does the 810 cost? | 09:57 |
| wiza | emma: yep. I use it when I'm driving, works ok | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | timely: well lenny has support for dash too.. tried it on n8x0 instead of bash, it was actually a lot faster | 09:57 |
| emma | in USD | 09:57 |
| Ave | the internal gps sucks as much as the internal camera, sorry | 09:57 |
| Ave | its really bad | 09:57 |
| Ave | cold start is like 10 minutes | 09:57 |
| johnx | the GPS works, just kinda slowish | 09:57 |
| Ave | no siree bob | 09:57 |
| wiza | Ave: except with diablo, a-gps works | 09:57 |
| Ave | kinda | 09:57 |
| Ave | but thats what you get for NOT having a sirf3-chipset | 09:58 |
| emma | do you have to pay a monthly service for the GPS ? | 09:58 |
| wiza | usually it gets a fix in a max, minute | 09:58 |
| johnx | anyways, you're better off with a cheap bt GPS that you can hold someplace where it can get signal | 09:58 |
| Ave | yep | 09:58 |
| wiza | emma: for the turn-by-turn voice, yes | 09:58 |
| emma | but not for the map and locator? | 09:58 |
| Ave | I have a bt-gps as well, you can leave it in your shirt pocket or whatever and get a fix in seconds | 09:58 |
| pupnik | right | 09:58 |
| wiza | johnx: err, it keeps lock inside my motorbiking jacket... | 09:59 |
| pupnik | whatever happened to kotczarny | 09:59 |
| wiza | I can ride over 100 km's and it doesn't loose my location | 09:59 |
| pupnik | does someone wanna finish the fast snes emu port? | 09:59 |
| wiza | once it gets the lock, it keeps it, the initial lock just takes a while :p | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: no idea, I was wondering the same thing :(. His website is still alive thouhg :/ | 09:59 |
| emma | The wireless works reliably in maemo? | 09:59 |
| Ave | hey guys, see this: http://ta.iki.fi/vauhdinhurmaa.png | 09:59 |
| emma | connects to 802.11a ? | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | *though | 10:00 |
| Ave | thats maemo mapper gps status screen, on airplane .. | 10:00 |
| emma | WPA ? | 10:00 |
| pupnik | wireless reception is great emma. i dunno about unusual WPA setups tho | 10:00 |
| johnx | WPA = yes, 802.11a = no | 10:00 |
| rm_you | just b/g? | 10:00 |
| emma | I thought 802.11a is what the protocol is for wifi | 10:00 |
| johnx | rm_you, yup. | 10:00 |
| pupnik | a b g i n | 10:00 |
| pupnik | and probably more | 10:01 |
| johnx | emma, wifi is a pretty wide set of protocols | 10:01 |
| Ave | a is old old, not really used these days | 10:01 |
| Ave | its all g/b and newer | 10:01 |
| emma | well how does it find the wifi connection ? | 10:01 |
| johnx | 802.11b is old but very standard. 802.11g is new but standard. 802.11a isn't that widely used | 10:01 |
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| rm_you | most of my net cards are a/b/g, i guess mobile devices don't want to bother fitting the hardware in there for more than b/g | 10:01 |
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| rm_you | laptop is draft-n :) | 10:02 |
| pupnik | emma how does anything find a wifi connection | 10:02 |
| rm_you | as is my WRT-300N | 10:02 |
| johnx | rm_you, prolly the antenna rather than the hardware...but Nokia also cheaped out massively on all the components :) | 10:02 |
| rm_you | heh | 10:02 |
| rm_you | ack i have to wake up for work in 4 hours <_< | 10:02 |
| emma | i thought the common way to send and recieve wifi is with 802.11a | 10:02 |
| johnx | rm_you, ick. I just finished for the week | 10:02 |
| rm_you | emma: that is one standard... | 10:02 |
| johnx | emma, nope. :) | 10:02 |
| pupnik | no 802.11g is most common | 10:02 |
| pupnik | iirc | 10:03 |
| rm_you | 802.11* are the wireless protocols | 10:03 |
| pupnik | and we should all be bathing in the wisdom of Thomas E. Woods Jr. | 10:03 |
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| rm_you | http://ieee802.org/11/ | 10:04 |
| * johnx bathes in ... ya'know...water | 10:04 | |
| rm_you | not sure if that is helpful | 10:04 |
| johnx | this might be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wifi | 10:04 |
| rm_you | probably more so :P | 10:04 |
| pupnik | also there's a new dynrec for dosbox on gp2x | 10:04 |
| pupnik | if anyone wants to try building that | 10:04 |
| emma | Usually wifi strugles on linux. I wonder why it works so well on maemo | 10:05 |
| rm_you | one device, one driver | 10:05 |
| emma | because really if that tablet cannot reliably get wifi it would be worthless and I'm sure nokia does not allow that. | 10:05 |
| qwerty12 | + we will never find out due to a lot of it being closed source :) | 10:05 |
| pupnik | rm_you said the answer | 10:05 |
| rm_you | the reason people have problems with wifi on linux is because of crazy wireless chipsets | 10:05 |
| johnx | rm_you+1 | 10:06 |
| rm_you | and lack of support | 10:06 |
| rm_you | some wireless chipsets work excellently in various flavours of linux... some don't work at all | 10:06 |
| rm_you | buy a wireless card with a known-to-work chipset, and it will be perfect :P | 10:06 |
| pupnik | and i miss ssvb and Tak too :( | 10:06 |
| pupnik | and unique311 | 10:06 |
| emma | I have an aironet cisco wifi card. | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | ssvb still comes sometimes. | 10:06 |
| emma | it ought to be great. but some times I'm not sure. | 10:07 |
| rm_you | emma: yeah i have one too... it... sort of works | 10:07 |
| johnx | emma, how many years old is that? O_o | 10:07 |
| rm_you | my ralink is similar... works KINDA | 10:07 |
| emma | I can get it working to find my signal, but it seems like it can only handle unsecured, or wep. | 10:07 |
| rm_you | johnx: many years | 10:07 |
| emma | I have not made it work with WPA yet. | 10:07 |
| rm_you | mine is a/b only | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | prolly a 340 eh rm_you | 10:07 |
| rm_you | emma: yeah, wpa_supplicant and the like is tricky | 10:07 |
| rm_you | 350 | 10:07 |
| emma | aironet cisco really should work. That has to be top quality. | 10:07 |
| rm_you | emma: it has nothing to do with quality, really | 10:07 |
| pupnik | mine got stolen | 10:07 |
| rm_you | it has more to do with openness of the chipset driver | 10:08 |
| pupnik | i still have to arrange a beating for the guy who stole it | 10:08 |
| rm_you | some of the CHEAPEST cards work like a charm | 10:08 |
| rm_you | because they use really simple common chipsets | 10:08 |
| emma | someone should go into buisness as an opensource hardware maker. | 10:08 |
| rm_you | and so many people buy them and work on the driver support that they work flawlessly | 10:08 |
| moontiger | Khertan, you around? | 10:08 |
| rm_you | emma: it has been tried | 10:08 |
| rm_you | in various fields | 10:08 |
| johnx | emma, it's a losing proposition. Linux users are notoriously cheap :P | 10:09 |
| rm_you | yeah | 10:09 |
| rm_you | one example i can think of offhand, pchdtv | 10:09 |
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| emma | I would thik that even linux users would pay for a wifi card they knew would actually work. | 10:09 |
| rm_you | dunno how profitable that venture was <_< | 10:09 |
| rm_you | emma: they do :P | 10:09 |
| rm_you | you just need to do some research | 10:09 |
| johnx | emma, that's why they buy intel cards | 10:09 |
| johnx | intel has really been "doing the right thing" (tm) lately | 10:09 |
| moontiger | emma, best buy sells a generic own brand one for $10 that works like a charm | 10:09 |
| emma | I have a thinkpad. It is intel card. But the aironet wifi seems sketchy. As I said. I still have not gotten it to work when my signal is WPA protected. | 10:10 |
| emma | moontiger: dynex? | 10:10 |
| rm_you | emma: moving to linux/gnu/opensource really requires a redefinition of the standard mindset in many aspects, including hardware | 10:10 |
| moontiger | yup | 10:10 |
| emma | moontiger: a wifi card you mean? | 10:10 |
| johnx | aironet != intel :) | 10:10 |
| moontiger | emma, yes | 10:10 |
| rm_you | brand-name crazy expensive hardware is actually likely to be less open | 10:10 |
| emma | Can you open a laptop and change that or are you stuck with whatever your network device is? | 10:11 |
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| rm_you | you can buy a USB or a PCMCIA adapter... | 10:11 |
| moontiger | emma, depends on the laptop ... i changed the one inside my thinkpad | 10:11 |
| rm_you | it is difficult to actually swap out the card tho :/ | 10:11 |
| rm_you | unless the laptop is specifically designed to allow it | 10:11 |
| johnx | it all depends on the laptop | 10:11 |
| moontiger | thinkpads == awesome :) | 10:12 |
| johnx | sometimes laptops are a huge PITA to get apart without breaking | 10:12 |
| rm_you | i've seen maybe one in five that let you | 10:12 |
| emma | but could i get a usb network device that would confidently work with linux, and be able to use it rather than the internal one? | 10:13 |
| johnx | emma, yes | 10:13 |
| moontiger | i would suggest a pcmcia card instead personally | 10:13 |
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| johnx | emma, just as long as you're willing to buy one you've researched and know will work well with linux :) | 10:13 |
| emma | moontiger: this is a laptop. | 10:13 |
| rm_you | emma: pcmcia == laptop | 10:14 |
| moontiger | ummmm the small slots in the side are for pcmcia cards ;) | 10:14 |
| johnx | emma, pcmcia is that rectangular slot on the side | 10:14 |
| emma | oh i see. | 10:14 |
| emma | let me take a look and see if it's there. | 10:14 |
| johnx | pcmcia aka pc card aka cardbus aka sandwich slot :) | 10:14 |
| moontiger | i always find usb nics seem to be sluggish | 10:14 |
| emma | There is something there. | 10:14 |
| moontiger | emma, what laptop do you have? | 10:14 |
| pupnik | i have a nice ALFA with ext. 9db antenna and 300mw | 10:15 |
| emma | thinkpad x31 | 10:15 |
| rm_you | aka that slot that every laptop has and i've never once used | 10:15 |
| * pupnik launches into ballistic trajectory to pounce on emma's thinkpad | 10:15 | |
| rm_you | johnx: so most of my hardware is getting to the "falling apart" point <_< | 10:15 |
| johnx | emma, and you said there's something already in it? | 10:15 |
| johnx | rm_you, eh? what happened? | 10:15 |
| emma | not in that pcmcia slot. | 10:15 |
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| emma | but in the computer yes. It's an aironet wireless cisco | 10:16 |
| pupnik | the thinkpad x300 is like sexxx... led backlight... umts | 10:16 |
| moontiger | it has the atheros chip in it | 10:16 |
| moontiger | have you tried the madwifi drivers? | 10:16 |
| rm_you | johnx: the northbridge fan on my server mb died... then like a week later the power supply in my desktop went up in a shower of sparks and smoke.... and my server's case is like, bent/torqued in a crazy way | 10:16 |
| emma | I don't know. | 10:16 |
| johnx | pupnik, I'm liking the x200 actually. but yes, the new x series looks great | 10:16 |
| rm_you | johnx: when i pick it up, it flexes and TWISTS | 10:16 |
| johnx | rm_you, :( | 10:16 |
| emma | well this is not a new computer. I did not say x300 I said x31 :) | 10:16 |
| johnx | emma, pupnik and I are just dreaming :) | 10:17 |
| rm_you | johnx: so, server is out of commission... and the SIX drives i have in there are all pushing five years... of 24/7 runtime... | 10:17 |
| johnx | rm_you, skeery. you run smartctl on them, right? | 10:17 |
| rm_you | they need to be retired like... now. | 10:17 |
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| rm_you | 1Tb isn't even that much any more | 10:18 |
| rm_you | 250gb drives are done for | 10:18 |
| * pupnik uses 7 year old thinkpad and is still happy | 10:18 | |
| rm_you | johnx: yeah... one of them is being a little funky, it dies a lot | 10:18 |
| johnx | rm_you, even I'm up to almost 1TB on random drives | 10:18 |
| rm_you | resynched my raid like 3 times in a month | 10:18 |
| pupnik | EXCEPT at linuxtag the bitch crossed me | 10:18 |
| rm_you | I need to replace the whole server | 10:19 |
| johnx | the closest I have to a working laptop is a Zaurus C1000 | 10:19 |
| pupnik | cool | 10:19 |
| emma | when researching for a pcmcia card that will 'just work' is it about it working with linux or about it working with the computer you have with linux? | 10:19 |
| emma | if you get my question? | 10:19 |
| emma | and is it distro specific? | 10:19 |
| rm_you | pretty much just working with linux | 10:19 |
| rm_you | and MOSTLY not distro specific | 10:19 |
| emma | would it be sufficient to search for such a card that works with debian? | 10:19 |
| rm_you | i would just check ubuntu | 10:19 |
| rm_you | if there is a guide for ubuntu, then it will probably work | 10:19 |
| emma | there is a guide for ubuntu. | 10:19 |
| emma | how did you know i used ubuntu? | 10:20 |
| rm_you | didn't. it's just a good reference point | 10:20 |
| pupnik | i had the aironet 340 working with linux on a Psion Netbook | 10:20 |
| bef0rd | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_mid_804 | 10:21 |
| pupnik | think they are just atheros chipset | 10:21 |
| emma | For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection | 10:21 |
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| bef0rd | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/ could it be possible to run the kvm image with something different, such as vmware, qemu? | 10:23 |
| rm_you | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported | 10:23 |
| pupnik | btw any of you got rtl8187 going on n8x0? | 10:24 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: I've compiled diablo modules and one guy said he had it working with the chinook modules I compiled for you a long time ago | 10:24 |
| pupnik | yeah ty for that | 10:24 |
| rm_you | .anyway gotta sleep | 10:24 |
| rm_you | laterz | 10:24 |
| pupnik | cheers | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | 'Night, rm_you | 10:25 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 10:25 |
| * qwerty12 never used to say 'night before coming here and stealing it off johnx :P :) | 10:25 | |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19575 | 10:25 |
| * rm_you rofls at qwerty12/johnx as he powers off monitors | 10:25 | |
| qwerty12 | :P | 10:25 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, muahaha | 10:25 |
| pupnik | this is a great community | 10:26 |
| * qwerty12 is now seeing what using the internet for ages does to me at night. Now that I don't have a tablet to use until my replacement charger arrives, I can't actually get to sleep until really late >.< | 10:27 | |
| pupnik | why does tablet help you sleep? | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | porn @ tablet? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:28 |
| t_s_o | it do not, but he stays away wanting to play with it... | 10:28 |
| pupnik | man, 2007 was fun | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: It was a really bad habit I got into, I would browse the internet for *ages* and now that I can't, I can't get to sleep quickly anymore >.< | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, shutting your brain off? :P | 10:29 |
| pupnik | you have confused pupnik | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yarr | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: sorry, blame it on my tiredness >.< | 10:29 |
| emma | yeah maemo is pretty cool. you guys are cool. | 10:30 |
| * pupnik gazes proudly at a row of empty wine bottles | 10:30 | |
| pupnik | got money for one emma? :) | 10:30 |
| t_s_o | starting the weekend early pupnik? | 10:30 |
| emma | money for what? | 10:31 |
| pupnik | a n800 or n810 | 10:31 |
| pupnik | frankly i'm itchy to see the next device | 10:31 |
| pupnik | omap 3430 has been out for a long time now | 10:31 |
| johnx | pupnik, they have medicine for that now... | 10:32 |
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| emma | Yeah I can get one. | 10:34 |
| emma | looks like the n810 is about 500 dollars. | 10:34 |
| moontiger | is there any reason doing "i.set_from_stock()" on an image "i" would crash the tablet? | 10:34 |
| emma | How much is an n800 though? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | i've found it for 200$ or so, if you can find it | 10:34 |
| emma | that's nothing. | 10:34 |
| johnx | emma, yeah, the N800 is technically discontinued now | 10:34 |
| emma | must be on ebay | 10:35 |
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| johnx | there are some places that still have stock sitting around I think...just somewhat hard to find | 10:35 |
| emma | but if there is an n820 coming.... | 10:35 |
| johnx | well there is an N810 w/ wimax support coming...but if you don't know what wimax is you don't need it :) | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | The N810 price may go down when the wimax comes | 10:36 |
| emma | what's the wimax? | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | johnx said it better, there is going to be a n810 with wimax support | 10:36 |
| emma | oh. | 10:37 |
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| emma | wimax is like satelite broadband? | 10:37 |
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| johnx | exactly...except without the satellites :) | 10:37 |
| XTL | Or a really long range wlan | 10:37 |
| emma | basically like broadband through cell towers? | 10:37 |
| XTL | Or a really broadband packet switched cellular network | 10:37 |
| johnx | emma, yeah. pretty close to that. | 10:38 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't buy into WiMax, HSDPA all the way | 10:38 | |
| XTL | My father has wimax. Nothing else will carry that far into nowhere | 10:38 |
| emma | i probably don't need that but if it did bring down the price of of the older 810s. | 10:38 |
| johnx | doesn't cost me anything to wait and see which one will win :) | 10:38 |
| emma | now im not sure if i should wait or not. | 10:38 |
| johnx | emma, it won't bring down the cost of the N800 though I'd bet | 10:38 |
| XTL | The other end is up a gsm tower 5km away so there's infra there. | 10:38 |
| johnx | I'm pretty sure the N800 price is as low as it's going to get for a while | 10:39 |
| XTL | But the phonelines are too old and so is the gsm (gprs is slow) | 10:39 |
| RST38h | moo, johnx, qwerty | 10:39 |
| emma | oh im sure | 10:39 |
| emma | i'm talking about the 810 | 10:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, m00 :D | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | hey RST38h | 10:39 |
| emma | yeah im definitely going to be getting either the 800 or the current 810. | 10:40 |
| emma | so i'll just continue to hang out here. | 10:41 |
| johnx | emma, heh...darn. I guess we accidentally sold another one of these stupid things :D | 10:42 |
| XTL | :) | 10:42 |
| emma | hehe | 10:42 |
| XTL | Well, there's a lot of almost this type devices, but if you like the nit, I don't think there's many alternatives. | 10:42 |
| emma | what is nit? | 10:43 |
| johnx | Nokia Internet Tablet | 10:43 |
| XTL | Or maemo for that matter | 10:43 |
| johnx | aka, the 770, N800, N810 and anything else they make in the future | 10:43 |
| emma | ahha | 10:44 |
| emma | i will probably get the n810 so that i have the best one among my friends. | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, they don't listen to much, do they? | 10:44 |
| XTL | So you'll get your friends to get 800's | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | much radio that is >.< | 10:44 |
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| emma | i have a friend that has the 770 and another that has the 800. | 10:45 |
| XTL | So this wasn't an entirely strange idea | 10:45 |
| * qwerty12 friends are under the impression that the N800 is a phone due to it saying Nokia >.< | 10:46 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, it's not a phone...I just figured no one was calling me... O_o | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:47 |
| emma | can you run skype on it? | 10:47 |
| XTL | I once had a psion (borrowed, too). People thought it was a communicator (as in Nokia 9xxx) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | emma: yeah, skype comes bundled | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | Some dumbass friend starts arguing with me that why would Nokia make it then if it wasn't a phone | 10:47 |
| XTL | emma: skype, gtalk, SIP... | 10:47 |
| johnx | emma, yeah. Skype actually works really well | 10:47 |
| emma | well then it is kind of a phone :) | 10:47 |
| XTL | qwerty12: You should show them the boots, tires, network equipment... :) | 10:47 |
| XTL | (Ok, so they're separated these days) | 10:48 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 10:48 |
| qwerty12 | The N800 connects to my Sony Ericsson W810 better for going on the internet than the actual phone does itself | 10:48 |
| RST38h | no wonder | 10:49 |
| t_s_o | heh, i have a nokia sat tuner here. not the best one, but it gets the job done... | 10:49 |
| emma | Scandinavian technology. | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | Yeh, pretty crap phone but I try opera mini on it, connection failed over and over again. Connect the N800 to it, the icon shows it's connected and I get google. I haven't tried it with my P1 though. | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | P1 sucks though, can't get it to connect with my AP when I keep WPA on. | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | the N80 works fine with WPA | 10:50 |
| t_s_o | heh, your running the latest firmware on all of them? | 10:51 |
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| qwerty12 | I was at the time :), the N80 is probably a few releases out now but it worked fine with the old firmware. The p1 is probably old but I hate installing that java/flash crap to update the firmware on it. With my W810, because it's hacked, i can just use setool with it | 10:52 |
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| XTL | t_s_o: Oh, yeah, there's those too. And dsl modems. But I guess that's back to the telco equipment | 10:52 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, not sure if my SE Z710 is more recent then the W810. firmwares of the SE phone have been a bit hit and miss with the later models... | 10:53 |
| emma | what webbrowser comes on the n8#0 ? | 10:53 |
| t_s_o | microb, gecko/firefox based | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: it is, it uses a later generation of enea ose come think of it too | 10:54 |
| t_s_o | may explain why i cant say i have seen those kinds of issues on my phone then | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I know that phone, my sister has the W710. Z710 can be flashed to W710 | 10:54 |
| t_s_o | but then i more or less used a T610 to death before swapping to the Z710. | 10:55 |
| t_s_o | sure can, but i dont see the need | 10:55 |
| * qwerty12 likes modding sony ericsson phones, my first proper phone was a K750 that I had flashed to W800 | 10:55 | |
| t_s_o | hehe | 10:55 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im tempted to go for the C702. but it seems the firmware is a bit problematic. but then it will mostly be used as a 3G "modem" for my tablet so ;) | 10:56 |
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| * qwerty12 <3's Sony's Japanese phones | 10:57 | |
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| * XTL has a T610 | 10:57 | |
| XTL | Olde. But the battery just keeps on going. | 10:58 |
| t_s_o | well, the ericsson part is swedish. but i think its more and more pure japan these days | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | XTL: If you replace the screen and buy a service cable, you can make it a t630 :P | 10:58 |
| timely | Stskeeps: does skype actually come bundled? | 10:58 |
| timely | or just an installer? | 10:58 |
| t_s_o | installr | 10:58 |
| * qwerty12 has a service cable. my second one come think of it | 10:58 | |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: yer, head quartered right here in London though :) | 10:59 |
| t_s_o | heh, silly stuff that... | 10:59 |
| qwerty12 | I would like to say that we have a brilliant economy but if it's true that we could be going into recession.... | 11:00 |
| t_s_o | funny thing is, i was considering a motorola phone. until motorola basically said the phone i had my eye on was going to be o2 only or something like that... | 11:00 |
| * qwerty12 empties bank account and converts it into drugs. real hard money. | 11:00 | |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: eew, I hate motorola, a razr I had once would start typing random things in texts. the modding was nice though | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, you don't have o2 in Norway right? Here, I think it's the biggest network | 11:01 |
| t_s_o | well this one would be using symbian and uiq so... | 11:01 |
| * qwerty12 still wouldn't buy it. Motorola don't believe in touch screens for the UIQ phones, even though UIQ is meant to be used with one | 11:02 | |
| t_s_o | nope, only telenor, netcom (teliasonera owned these days) and a bunch of "virtuals" | 11:02 |
| t_s_o | none of the big foreign ones seems to bother. tho i think 3 has a licence here, but never started building... | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | 3 are a network here, free MSN is pretty decent | 11:03 |
| timely | t_s_o: the market's too small | 11:03 |
| timely | would you bother? | 11:03 |
| t_s_o | timeless: fully aware of that ;) | 11:03 |
| * qwerty12 gets back to remapping the keys for the linux gameandwatch# | 11:04 | |
| t_s_o | but i think we currently have more active mobile phone numbers then there are people so... | 11:04 |
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| emma | could you put compiz-fusion on a nokia n810 ? | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, no hardware opengl | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | Come think of, the default window manager is a little odd too | 11:05 |
| qwerty12 | s/of/of it/ | 11:05 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Come think of it, the default window manager is a little odd too | 11:05 |
| timely | emma: the cpu is 400mhz | 11:06 |
| timely | do you really want to try? | 11:06 |
| XTL | And usually it's battery powered | 11:06 |
| emma | 400mhz doesnt mean much to me. | 11:07 |
| t_s_o | hmm, now that i think about it, one other reason why the big operators dont move in, you cant be bound by contract to a single operator for more then 12 months. netcom had to rework the iphone contracts because of that... | 11:07 |
| emma | i guess that means that the electron goes around the loop 400 mega times per second? | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: that's pretty decent come think of it. here, the norm is now becoming 18 months | 11:08 |
| t_s_o | i think the same contracts where 18-24 in sweden | 11:08 |
| XTL | Electrons are surprisingly lazy bastards. Mostly the queues just inch along and push. | 11:08 |
| johnx | emma, yup. that's a little slow for compiz. 800MHz and a decent graphics card and compiz would work ok... | 11:09 |
| t_s_o | but then i suspect they where all drafted by apple as part of the agreement with teliasonera... | 11:09 |
| XTL | Go around in their own little cirles rather than do any work | 11:09 |
| emma | yeah the drift velocity of an electron is pretty slow. | 11:09 |
| emma | but something is going around. I'm not sure what. | 11:09 |
| qwerty12 | why must qwerty checkout from svn and not export :/ | 11:10 |
| emma | I guess every time something goes around thats one calculation that can be done. | 11:10 |
| XTL | Fetch and execute cycle | 11:11 |
| timely | emma: when i started college 10 years ago, i got a 400mhz x86 pc | 11:11 |
| timely | the n800 has a 400mhz arm chip | 11:11 |
| XTL | or fdx | 11:11 |
| timely | does that give you some idea of processing power? | 11:11 |
| emma | i wish i knew what was going around though. | 11:11 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i recently tossed my 66Mhz 486 :P | 11:11 |
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| emma | can you put linux on a 486 ? | 11:11 |
| XTL | My main server is 466 celeron | 11:11 |
| XTL | emma: Of course | 11:11 |
| emma | i haven't seen a 486 in a long time. | 11:12 |
| t_s_o | heh, i would claim that one could put linux on a toaster if it had a cpu ;) | 11:12 |
| bef0rd | there was a toaster running netbsd though :P | 11:12 |
| emma | what about a 243 ? | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | I think there have been linux toasters :/ | 11:12 |
| t_s_o | bef0rd: i could have sworn i read about a expresso machine running windows to... | 11:12 |
| XTL | I've actually been thinking of getting a 486 | 11:12 |
| emma | Could you put linux on a TRS 80 color computer 2 ? | 11:12 |
| XTL | Or any ISA bus machine. | 11:13 |
| XTL | emma: you can put Lunix on a c64 | 11:13 |
| t_s_o | and sure enough, it was infected by a rootkit... | 11:13 |
| XTL | I'd just need a small enough one. | 11:13 |
| t_s_o | ah, the C64 :D | 11:13 |
| emma | What's lunix now? | 11:13 |
| t_s_o | i recently read that some people had made a network multiplayer game for the C64 ;) | 11:14 |
| XTL | http://lng.sourceforge.net/ Ooh, a NG one :-D | 11:14 |
| johnx | heh...got a photo recently of the LCD advertising board hanging over an ATM showing a bluescreen :D | 11:14 |
| qwerty12 | "Updated: Sep 10 2004" | 11:14 |
| Khertan | i m back | 11:14 |
| t_s_o | johnx: there was a bluescreen in the olympic opening... | 11:14 |
| johnx | emma, linux needs a 386 or better in terms of x86 computers | 11:14 |
| emma | i see it is little unix written in assembly. | 11:14 |
| XTL | http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html | 11:14 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: yeah, don't know why ATM's run windows. Mostly NT round here | 11:15 |
| johnx | t_s_o, It's just different seeing it in person :) | 11:15 |
| emma | i wonder if anyone has ever written the linux kernel in assembly. | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | it was in assembly first afaik | 11:15 |
| t_s_o | johnx: i can agree with that ;) | 11:15 |
| emma | wouldn't that make all linux better if the kernel was written in assembly? | 11:15 |
| johnx | qwerty12, mostly they used to run OS/2 but some people couldn't leave well enough alone I guess... | 11:15 |
| wiza | emma: hell no | 11:15 |
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| johnx | emma, a lot of it probably used to be done in assembly | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: yeah :D | 11:16 |
| t_s_o | emma: some part of it is assembler. the part that do the very basics of booting | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | emma: you know what assembly is but not a SDK? ;) | 11:16 |
| emma | yes i know what it is. | 11:16 |
| emma | not how to do it or anything. | 11:16 |
| XTL | Assembly is the magic word that makes everything faster. | 11:16 |
| wiza | emma: bugs and since linux supports n+1 architectures ans assembly is per architecture, so that would kinda add code a lot | 11:16 |
| johnx | emma, you have a very interesting collection of knowledge :) | 11:16 |
| wiza | XTL: only if you compiler is shite :) | 11:17 |
| emma | i like to visit channels like this and chat with people and get some idea about things. | 11:17 |
| XTL | emma: A regular Socrates :) | 11:17 |
| * qwerty12 tried learning ARM ASM once, I gave up when I realised the Russians had the hold on that market :> | 11:17 | |
| emma | hehehe that's a nice thing to say. | 11:17 |
| * moontiger likes asm | 11:18 | |
| XTL | I guess 8051 is the only chip I really know asm for. FSVO really. | 11:18 |
| emma | is assembly code itself per architecture or it has to be compiled for the architecture? | 11:19 |
| moontiger | different for each chip | 11:19 |
| moontiger | no compiler | 11:19 |
| moontiger | just an assembler | 11:19 |
| emma | oh yeah sorry | 11:19 |
| emma | assembler, i did know that. | 11:19 |
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| emma | so each architecture has it's own assembler? | 11:20 |
| moontiger | ech chip has its own instruction set ... hence its own asm "language" | 11:20 |
| emma | in other words you could not just assemble assembly source code you have to write the code taylored to the machine? | 11:20 |
| moontiger | yes | 11:20 |
| johnx | emma, exactly | 11:20 |
| emma | hm, that is kind of rough. | 11:20 |
| moontiger | c == cross platform asm | 11:20 |
| emma | i see. | 11:21 |
| moontiger | :) | 11:21 |
| emma | that makes c quite handy. | 11:21 |
| wiza | and that is the reason for using higher level languages | 11:21 |
| Khertan | c == bullshit app that 90% suffer from overflaw and possible exploit | 11:21 |
| moontiger | especially now that optimizing compilers can do a better job than most humans | 11:21 |
| johnx | yup. C was *invented* so that Unix could be re-written in it | 11:21 |
| moontiger | khertan .... as opposed to what? | 11:22 |
| t_s_o | Khertan: and then you have c++ that bumps that to 99% ;) | 11:22 |
| timely | johnx: yeah, quite unfortunate, os/2 just worked.. | 11:23 |
| moontiger | what would you suggest os's are written in then? | 11:23 |
| t_s_o | python? :P | 11:23 |
| * qwerty12 guesses python. (Not personally, me thinks C pwns python) | 11:23 | |
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| XTL | Haskell | 11:23 |
| emma | Lisp. | 11:23 |
| Khertan | fortran | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | BRANFUCK | 11:24 |
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| Khertan | GOTO++ ! | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | or BRAINFUCK rather | 11:24 |
| emma | branfuck is high in fibre. | 11:24 |
| joyious | Hi, does N810 support ALSA or OSS ? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | emma: hehe | 11:24 |
| XTL | joyious: Alsa, yes | 11:24 |
| XTL | At least in some ways | 11:24 |
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| Khertan | http://www.gotopp.org//index.html.en | 11:24 |
| johnx | it supports alsa if you squint and turn your head to the left | 11:25 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12: i was wondering who would bring up that one. even assembly is easier that brainfuck... | 11:25 |
| XTL | Unlambda ftw | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o: hehe, but brainfuck has the name going for it :P | 11:25 |
| t_s_o | oh and emma, there already is a os written in lisp. ever heard of emacs? ;) | 11:25 |
| XTL | Real os's are written with switch panels anyway. | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | A real os has a method of making it say hello world | 11:27 |
| moontiger | t_s_o, hahaha | 11:27 |
| joyious | XTL: but I can not open the alsa devices | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | If you *REALLY REALLY* hate someone, sending them a CD with LMOS is a way to get them back | 11:27 |
| t_s_o | XTL: and stored on punchcards? | 11:27 |
| XTL | I thought emacs was written in C (fsvo emacs) and the apps are in kind of lisp | 11:27 |
| moontiger | joyious, did you unlock it forst? | 11:27 |
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| joyious | moontiger:unlock ? | 11:28 |
| XTL | t_s_o: That's the high level interface, yes. | 11:28 |
| johnx | joyious, what exactly are you trying to do? | 11:28 |
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| joyious | johnx: I want write a recorder there, but i can not open the device | 11:28 |
| moontiger | khertan, is there any reason adding an image to a button would crash the tablet? | 11:28 |
| joyious | moontiger:How to unlock that ? | 11:29 |
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| moontiger | joyious, ignore me i was joking ... sorry | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | joyious: someone tried with that I think but didn't have much luck, you may wish to look at the code of https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ instead | 11:29 |
| t_s_o | XTL: i think your right about emacs btw, seems it has a lisp interpreter written in C and then everything else above written in lisp... | 11:29 |
| johnx | joyious, alsa is a little strange on the tablets. I don't know much about alsa from a programming point of view. It might be helpful to look at the source to some app that deals with sound | 11:29 |
| t_s_o | thats specifically the gnu version btw... | 11:29 |
| johnx | maybe maemo recorder? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ | 11:30 |
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| t_s_o | still, the joke about emacs being a os written in lisp never grows old ;) | 11:30 |
| XTL | Or you might see if gstreamer will work for you | 11:30 |
| joyious | thanks guys, i'll take a look at that code | 11:30 |
| Khertan | moontiger: crash the tablet ? | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | ~curse hp internal card readers. this is my second one and it still stalls with a SD card and a memory stick >.< | 11:32 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, hp internal card readers. this is my second one and it still stalls with a SD card and a memory stick >.< ! | 11:32 |
| Khertan | moontiger: or just maemo-launcher due to a crash of an applet ? | 11:32 |
| moontiger | yah ... the screen flashes white and goes goofy ... prolly the launcher | 11:32 |
| Khertan | yep so it s maemo-launcher which crash | 11:33 |
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| qwerty12 | wouldn't that be hildon-desktop? | 11:33 |
| Khertan | and restart with default pref | 11:33 |
| moontiger | well ... just from adding an image to a button?? | 11:33 |
| Khertan | maybe an error in code | 11:33 |
| joyious | johnx: does maemo recoder has code there ? | 11:33 |
| moontiger | hmmmmmmm code works fine without image on button | 11:33 |
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| qwerty12 | joyious: yes, it has a svn | 11:33 |
| timely | moontiger: a number of apps on the device are lifeguarded | 11:33 |
| Khertan | moontiger: how do you add your image on buton | 11:33 |
| moontiger | add 2 lines of code and bang! | 11:33 |
| timely | if they crash too many times, the device will reboot | 11:33 |
| Khertan | timely: really ? | 11:34 |
| timely | the primary life-guarded app is hildon-desktop | 11:34 |
| moontiger | Khertan, create an image , set from file ,,, add to button | 11:34 |
| johnx | joyious, did you look at the svn repository? click on scm | 11:34 |
| timely | which hosts task navigator plugins, home plugins, and status area plugins | 11:34 |
| Khertan | timely: so this explain my sudden reboot :) | 11:34 |
| timely | they're all one process | 11:34 |
| moontiger | works on the desktop with pygtk | 11:34 |
| Khertan | how do you add your image on this button ? | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | timely: Is hildon-desktop lifeguarded? I didn't know it was started from dsmetool, I just thought it had a safe-mode which can be disabled with a simple configure switch | 11:35 |
| timely | Khertan: get a core dump (rich core preferred) | 11:35 |
| joyious | johnx:Oh, i'll try thanks | 11:35 |
| moontiger | button.add(image) | 11:35 |
| timely | qwerty12: open xterm and kill -4 it :) | 11:35 |
| XTL | Does it only crash/reboot on the tablet.. How about sb? | 11:35 |
| XTL | Maybe you'd see what happens there. | 11:36 |
| timely | XTL: sb doesn't have dsme which is what deals w/ life guarding | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | timely: I would do if I had a charged tablet but you must be right :) | 11:36 |
| timely | bah, charge your tablet | 11:36 |
| XTL | timely: Exactly. You might see the actual problem instead of consequences | 11:36 |
| Khertan | XTL: can't test on sb due to qemu / python on sb / on other things related with that | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | timely: sure, when the charger arrives :D | 11:36 |
| timely | ?! | 11:36 |
| XTL | Khertan: I guessed. | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | timely: I broke my charger when I was untangling the headphones from it :/ | 11:36 |
| timely | qwerty12: my charger broke @ whistler | 11:37 |
| timely | thankfully a friend removed the pin from my device | 11:37 |
| * johnx thinks his upstairs neighbor just fell off a ladder or his fridge tipped over or something O_o | 11:37 | |
| XTL | "stupid cables.. HULK SMASH!" | 11:37 |
| timely | otherwise i had an expensive unchargable phone :) | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | heh, I'm pretty lucky, it's just the charger that is broken, thankfully, it survived my stupid experiement with an old nokia charger + new connector :/ | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does rootsh really provide "sudo gainroot"? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | or just "rootsh" command? | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: sudo gainroot as well | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:38 |
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| t_s_o | and "root" | 11:39 |
| t_s_o | love that one ;) | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | the first version I uploaded (1.1) didn't but that was a test as it was my first upload to extras, 1.2 + 1.3 provided sudo gainroot :) | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | the sudo gainroot and root things weren't done by me, I took them from ag2's easyroot, I only uploaded rootsh to extras for the demand of a sudo gainroot app in extras :) | 11:39 |
| t_s_o | ok | 11:40 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, msn spam. whats next... | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | rootsh isn't by me either, I left it packaged because it provided a sudo like command and it also let someone get root easily if they messed up sudoers | 11:41 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHSYS4O1TU This Mortal Coil - Another Day | 11:41 |
| usicow | do desktop widgets like homeIP use my battery more than if I had no widgets on the desktop? | 11:42 |
| timely | yes | 11:43 |
| timely | usicow: rss reader for example will kill your battery :) | 11:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, testing the deblet install on a completely clean tablet (diablo+ssu1) | 11:43 |
| usicow | damn | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | usicow: yes, those ones are in python which isn't exactly known for conservative cpu usage and they poll at certain intervals | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | cool applets none the less :) | 11:44 |
| usicow | qwerty12: hehe.. yeah it looks cool. So what would be the right language to write one in? Maybe I could do it.. but Im a java developer. | 11:45 |
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| Khertan | usicow: no | 11:45 |
| Khertan | timely: false !!!! | 11:45 |
| Khertan | qwerty: false too !!!! | 11:45 |
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| qwerty12 | usicow: C I guess, python isn't too bad either | 11:46 |
| Khertan | python home applet don't wake up the device when this one odle | 11:46 |
| Khertan | idle | 11:46 |
| Khertan | and refresh only when coming back to desktop | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | CPU Usage still sux with python | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright - it will prolly give a error in application manager, if you can find some kind of log saying -why- apt-get install deblet-installer can do it but appl manager can't, i'm all ears :P | 11:46 |
| Khertan | so they don't use cpu until you stay on the desktop while the device is wake up | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | i really dont want to have to clone my chinook :P | 11:46 |
| timely | Khertan: what if your desktop is visible all the time? :) | 11:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: use mtd-tools and make a flashable jffs2 image :> | 11:47 |
| timely | having items on your desktop does cost something, nothing is truly free | 11:47 |
| Khertan | timely: yes it cost memory mainly :) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: at the same time im running latest deblet installer on chinook right now as well | 11:47 |
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| Khertan | it s true that the first version in chinook draining battery ... but this is no more the case | 11:48 |
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| usicow | ok.. thanks Khertan and timely.. I'll install it :) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: just hang on a second while i update the svn base packages snapshot :P | 11:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I don't think app manager lets you replace libs that are included with the firmware | 11:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, do you need that version of libglade for some reason? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: lovely.. someone should make a roxterm + zenity that builds towards 2.4 then | 11:49 |
| Khertan | timely: if you stay on desktop it ll eat cpu as other applet to refresh the data ... but when your device stay in sleep ... no refresh | 11:49 |
| * Stskeeps glances at qwerty12 with begging eyes for roxterm | 11:49 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I see. ick. does it not build with 2.4? | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: shit, you have a problem with the roxterm? I think I had libglade from extras installed then | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, me too, i first noticed it when diablo people started complaining | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: no clue, just lifted debs off qwerty12 and bundyo(sp) | 11:50 |
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| timely | Khertan: usicow didn't specify use case | 11:50 |
| johnx | if you look in the app mgr log it complains "ignoring version from wrong domain: libglade" | 11:51 |
| timely | the general correct answer for the entire realm is "yes" | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | IIRC, I think I had to compile it against the newer one, I don't think it compiled against 2.4, I'll have another go. if I can't get the latest version to compile against 2.4, I'll go back a few versions :) | 11:51 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, can we do without roxterm? osso-xterm doesn't work? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: osso-xterm is shite when it comes to curses applications :P | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | in roxterm i had no problems whatsoever with del->^H and generally fitting things on screen | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: "This is no port, just a straight compile with a bunch of needed libs " - from the zenity page, you could probably package your own version | 11:53 |
| moontiger | Khertan, they only use battery if they actually DO something yes? just having a static display of something does nothing correct? | 11:53 |
| johnx | sadness :/ | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: basically .install doesnt work but apt-get install deblet-installer works afterwards - but good that we found that error | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright.. i'll look into it. i wonder if simply modifying Depends: would do the trick for both | 11:53 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, anything else I should test while I have a fresh tablet? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: nah, that's the current problem i think | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well.. one thing maybe | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:54 |
| johnx | sure :) | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: wouldn't gxmessage work? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's not flexible enough for my stuff | 11:55 |
| usicow | how do I remove these things that look like advertisements from the desktop? | 11:55 |
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| usicow | theres the tutorial applet, and something that looks like ads.. | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ah :( | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | usicow: tap the menu thing next to the word home and choose select applets and untick web applet and tableteer afaik | 11:55 |
| usicow | qwerty12: ahh thanks | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | fuck, the roxterm has .modfied.deb on the end which means I repacked it, and I can't remember what I changed :/ | 11:57 |
| timely | usicow: yes ads :) | 11:57 |
| johnx | qwerty12, break out diff :D | 11:57 |
| timely | qwerty12: dpkg-deb extract them and compare :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i altered your roxterm deb as well i think.. not sure with what | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, timely: good ideas, thank you | 11:57 |
| johnx | unix tools win all over the place :) | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | Now that I know a bit of GDK, I should remap the buttons on Roxterm while I've got the chance | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: dpkg --remove deblet-installer, apt-get update, apt-get install zenity - it didn't install libglade 2.6 right? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | before this | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | just wanting to see if it runs on libglade 2.4 if i fuck it's depends: :P | 11:59 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nothing installed yet. I'll try that. | 11:59 |
| timely | s/it's/its/ | 11:59 |
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| * moontiger has had enough of fighting with image button and toolbars for one day | 11:59 | |
| moontiger | nn all | 11:59 |
| moontiger | :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | timely: my coffe haven't had its effect yet | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 12:00 |
| t_s_o | hmm, after seeing the safari browser on video in the blackberry bold vs iphone shootout, i can see why people like it :( | 12:00 |
| timely | t_s_o: like which? | 12:01 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I usually don't bother with grammar correction...but your original spelling had an interesting reading :) | 12:01 |
| t_s_o | http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/08/blackberry-bold.html | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d2aae0b53 - I don't see libglade mentioned there :/. I have a feeling its for the configuration program :/ | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | yep, bingo: | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > ldd roxterm-config | grep glade | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | libglade-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglade-2.0.so.0 (0x00000000) | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: you should be able to safely remove libglade from the depends line, just delete roxterm-config as well | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: okay, i just wonder if it works sanely with 2.4 as well - which is next thing johnx will test if zenity works ;) | 12:03 |
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| johnx | yup...getting ssh installed for root access so I can use apt :) | 12:03 |
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| timely | t_s_o: depressing | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it would be nice if gxmessage worked, then you could base64 encode it into your preinst which is provided by default on all chinook and diablo tablets | 12:05 |
| t_s_o | timely: hmm? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well gxmessage does work as a static binary.. but it doesnt give all the features i need :P | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 12:07 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, win. zenity will install without libglade...just roxterm now | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: does it run, too? | 12:08 |
| timely | the bold | 12:08 |
| timely | are they sure that it's actually *usin* wifi to download? | 12:08 |
| t_s_o | i guess what annoys me the most about microb is that even when the loading bar goes away, its likely to pop back and work some more... | 12:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, will find out in a sec | 12:08 |
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| t_s_o | timely: it was found not to, a later video shows it with | 12:09 |
| t_s_o | not that it helped much imo | 12:09 |
| johnx | at least the zooming in microb got ironed out | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: zenity --calendar should do the trick i guess | 12:09 |
| t_s_o | johnx: mostly, there is some delay between hitting zoom and the actual zooming | 12:09 |
| t_s_o | i also keep seeing the browser not rally grasping that it should go full screen while its working on a page and i hit the button... | 12:10 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, will test that. --warning works | 12:10 |
| t_s_o | really | 12:10 |
| johnx | t_s_o, it's so much better than it used to be though... | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'll go butcher roxterm then | 12:10 |
| johnx | wow...zenity is pretty cool | 12:11 |
| qwerty12 | roxterm should do without the -config app :D | 12:11 |
| t_s_o | johnx: that it is | 12:11 |
| johnx | calendar works | 12:11 |
| timely | t_s_o would you rather the browser not show the load indicator? | 12:11 |
| t_s_o | http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/08/blackberry-bo-1.html <- someone showing bold doing a proper wifi load | 12:11 |
| t_s_o | timely: i didnt say that. but i would like it to show is for as long as its working on the page at least. having it pop in and out of view makes me wonder if its really finished | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: apt-get update; apt-get install roxterm | 12:12 |
| timely | t_s_o: so the problem is... | 12:13 |
| timely | a page can do: | 12:13 |
| johnx | t_s_o, that's pretty painfully slow. | 12:13 |
| t_s_o | johnx: im guessing its choking on javascript... | 12:13 |
| timely | <html onload=foo> function foo(){setTimeout(bar)} | 12:13 |
| timely | at what point do you call the page "done"? | 12:14 |
| johnx | t_s_o, well javascript is a pretty core part of web surfing... | 12:14 |
| t_s_o | johnx: sadly... | 12:14 |
| t_s_o | timely: i can see the problem | 12:14 |
| johnx | t_s_o, were you one of those people against pictures on the internet? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | we should bring gopher back | 12:15 |
| t_s_o | johnx: well they have their uses. but i can survive having them turned off ;) | 12:15 |
| t_s_o | that is, if i have some way to selectively load them | 12:15 |
| * qwerty12 can't with all the captchas now | 12:15 | |
| johnx | right, that's what I thought :) | 12:15 |
| timely | t_s_o: i really don't have a solution... i mean, we could cheat and pretend the page *isn't* done loading | 12:15 |
| timely | but what if it was setInterval instead of setTimeout? | 12:15 |
| timely | then the page is "never" done "loading" | 12:16 |
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| timely | we could also just ignore any "load" stuff after the page's initial "load" | 12:16 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, works. I'll remove roxterm, zenity, the deps and the repos and try the .install from scratch just for grins | 12:16 |
| MangoFusion | arrgh1!! JavaScript!!! Responsive web apps!!! It burns!!! | 12:16 |
| t_s_o | timely: as in, not show the bar for any ajax related stuff loading in the background? | 12:17 |
| timely | yep | 12:17 |
| timely | alternatively, what if the initial setTimeout is for 5mins and is designed to log you out? | 12:17 |
| timely | is it done loading, or only done after it's logged you out :) | 12:17 |
| t_s_o | i would say its loaded when the html is parsed and the layout is is correctly in place. but then its that pesky ajax again... | 12:18 |
| timely | we could just remove any progress indicators :) | 12:19 |
| johnx | and ajax support, just to be fair | 12:19 |
| t_s_o | now that would be "interesting" | 12:19 |
| t_s_o | what is it, am i that annoying today? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: oki :) | 12:19 |
| timely | johnx: we could remove support for users | 12:20 |
| timely | they aren't really that important | 12:20 |
| johnx | t_s_o, I should have added a :P to that. I was just being snarky, not mean | 12:20 |
| t_s_o | heh, i found myself surfing on my 770 with javascript off in opera more often then not so... | 12:20 |
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| timely | i did too | 12:21 |
| timely | i highly recommend it actually :) | 12:21 |
| t_s_o | but then i would love to show flash the middle finger as well | 12:21 |
| johnx | t_s_o, I actually have pic loading turned off on my phone (opera mini). But I get charged by the packet... | 12:21 |
| johnx | t_s_o, I'll agree with you about flash. (&$% that $%*& | 12:21 |
| timely | t_s_o: i do that too :) | 12:21 |
| t_s_o | johnx: same here about opera mini. and i also do it in microb when im out and about and tether via the phone | 12:22 |
| t_s_o | the usability of some forums actually improve when i turn images of, as i then get the alternate link text to click on instead ;) | 12:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, grrr...ok. Still having problems with app mgr and I don't know why :/ | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: anything in log? | 12:23 |
| johnx | nothing about the deblet repo... | 12:23 |
| johnx | I'll try and track it down | 12:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, hang on a sec. what section is deblet in? | 12:24 |
| timely | t_s_o: half the time i have images off too :) | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: err.. not sure i have a section in the deb | 12:25 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ok then, got the next problem: The section needs to be changed to "user/something" | 12:26 |
| johnx | right now it's in "base" | 12:26 |
| johnx | maybe by default? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | okay, alright, got any suggestions for a good section? | 12:26 |
| johnx | qwerty12, any ideas? maybe user/Other? | 12:26 |
| johnx | or user/Utilities | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: section for which package? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | deblet intaller | 12:27 |
| johnx | user/qwerty12-is-awesome ? | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | lol, why? | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | (i'll take it as a joke :D) | 12:28 |
| johnx | dunno. seems as valid as any other section. :D | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'll put it in user/other | 12:28 |
| johnx | there's user/Boingo user/utils user/utilities and user/Utilities ... and this is just including Extras | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | You could use user/debian-installer | 12:28 |
| johnx | might be nice to do Other instead of other | 12:29 |
| johnx | that way app mgr won't list yet another section | 12:29 |
| * qwerty12 never uses sections. All ftw. | 12:30 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: moved to user/Other and refreshed rep copy of installerdeb | 12:30 |
| johnx | awesome | 12:30 |
| * johnx tries again | 12:30 | |
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| johnx | "Application packages missing: binutils, libslang2, e2fsprogs, debootstrap, libslang2 (>= 2.0.6-4osso1)" | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 12:35 |
| johnx | I assume because they aren't in Section: user/* either | 12:35 |
| johnx | :/ | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | they're in extras though | 12:35 |
| johnx | maybe it's time to just tell people click the .install file nad go run apt-get | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | diablo, too | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | is diablo app manager just more picky or is it just me? | 12:36 |
| johnx | oh, it's really freakin' picky | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | what does apt-cache policy binutils say? | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | it's more picky. to install apps without user/ --> Red Pill | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: even with dependancies? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | in non-user | 12:36 |
| johnx | actually binutils isn't showing up for me from apt | 12:36 |
| * johnx tracks it down | 12:36 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Got a point there actually, you shouldn't need red pill | 12:37 |
| johnx | binutils is in the sdk repository, isn't it? | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: it's not in diablo extras or extras-devel, its in sdk repo | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 12:37 |
| * johnx sighs | 12:38 | |
| Stskeeps | .. | 12:38 |
| johnx | can binutils even be legitimately installed along with busybox? | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: you'll have fun adding it. It took me a while to figure out the right entries :/ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 12:38 |
| johnx | qwerty12, thanks. I've been figuring out apt-get "deb" lines for 10 years though. saves me the trouble though... :D | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: you may be able to, busybox's conflict line didn't list binutils | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: yeah, I'm a n00b at this :D :) | 12:40 |
| johnx | we all have our areas of expertise :) You've got me beat in plenty of areas | 12:40 |
| johnx | and you certainly have a lot more clue now than I did at your age | 12:41 |
| pupnik | i have everyone beat in the art of breaking own hand punching solid objects | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: :). Anyway, I did a quick check, binutils doesn't conflict with busybox | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: ouch :( | 12:42 |
| johnx | qwerty12, cool, then | 12:42 |
| johnx | pupnik, you can have keep the title. I don't want to compete O_o | 12:42 |
| pupnik | hehe | 12:42 |
| pupnik | freaky music anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EH5GFP2Otk&NR=1 | 12:43 |
| johnx | alright, debootstrap in extras-devel and the rest in the sdk repo | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | Quick question, is SDLK_ESCAPE correct or SDLK_ESC? I did google but now I'm more confused :/ | 12:45 |
| johnx | my sources say SDLK_ESCAPE | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I've got '_ESCAPE here too, thanks# | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | -# | 12:47 |
| johnx | sure. thank the guy who wrote ltris :) | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | what's extras-devel again? stuff bound to go into extras at some point? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | or development extras | 12:49 |
| johnx | testing area | 12:49 |
| chelli | hi, does anyone know how to (re-)set the admin password of mailinglists on garage? (i am not able to find the passwords for the gnumeric mailinglists on garage anymore) ;-) | 12:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, stuff that could end up in extras eventually ... unless it never stabilizes or the dev doesn't care | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so you found all the packages in which repos? if i have to add them to .install file | 12:50 |
| johnx | one sec. I'm making sure this will actually work first... | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:52 |
| yacoob | I guess I need to read the manual. | 12:54 |
| yacoob | I can't work out when does the device goes to sleep, and when it doesn't. | 12:54 |
| johnx | yacoob, it might be a little different than you're used to | 12:55 |
| yacoob | Also, going into offline mode and then back makes my n810 unable to connect to anything radio-related (both bt and wifi) | 12:55 |
| johnx | it puts individual part to sleep when they're not in use | 12:55 |
| johnx | yacoob, that second part doesn't sound too good | 12:55 |
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| * johnx adds another repository in search of deps | 12:58 | |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks it'll be just as insane as the chinook .install | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Can I have that bet with you in an hour when the irc logs are updated? :P | 12:59 |
| johnx | bets 10 it will be worse... | 12:59 |
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| yacoob | johnx, tbh, I haven't played around with it much, but I've made it go to offline mode yesterday in the evening, and in the morning it wasn't able to connect to wireless. | 13:00 |
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| * johnx kries. debootstrap isn't in diablo extras-devel yet... | 13:04 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx: trust me, you will be crying for *ages* | 13:04 |
| johnx | qwerty12, nah. I'll get debian working and everything will go in one or two repos | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/d/debootstrap/ ? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | oh, chinook | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 13:05 |
| johnx | :) | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: it takes *ages* for the Packages file to update though :/ | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | i consider to put debootstrap in the deblet repo just for the hell of it.. | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | that'd make some things easier i gues | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i've added debootstrap to deblet repo, does this help? | 13:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes. lots | 13:08 |
| johnx | thanks | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | sec, wait for svn to finish comitting | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | done | 13:08 |
| johnx | really, we should poke whoever put it up to extras-devel and tell them to upload again for diablo... | 13:08 |
| johnx | or however that works ... | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | that was the vncviewer debian guy | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | (and we just reached r100 in deblet svn) | 13:09 |
| Mek | johnx: can't anybody with upload rights just get the chinook version and upload it for diable? | 13:09 |
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| qwerty12 | ^ + 1 | 13:09 |
| johnx | Mek, you're asking the wrong person. Can they? | 13:09 |
| Mek | johnx: yes, they can :P | 13:09 |
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| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/d/debootstrap/ | 13:09 |
| * qwerty12 whistles and walks away | 13:10 | |
| johnx | alright, I'll test debootstrap on a fresh diablo install now and if it works I'll poke someone with upload privs to do something about it :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | did you get the list of repos needed? | 13:11 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, close | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it should most definately work.. it's _all, so | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | (it's a shell script) | 13:11 |
| johnx | I'm testing if this assembly of repos works | 13:11 |
| johnx | yay! it's willing to go through with it! | 13:12 |
| Mek | submitted to the diable autobuilder | 13:12 |
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| qwerty12 | arghh, libsdl-gfx1.2-dev isn't in diablo extras | 13:13 |
| johnx | here's the list of repos that ended up working: http://pastebin.ca/1181472 | 13:13 |
| johnx | sooo...just five | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: is extras-devel needed? | 13:16 |
| johnx | uhm... let me confirm | 13:16 |
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| johnx | I thought I needed it for e2fsprogs | 13:18 |
| _julian_ | hi | 13:18 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, but now I don't even know :( | 13:18 |
| johnx | hi _julian_ | 13:18 |
| _julian_ | I just set up a maemo sdk and installed the qt4 packages. actually I can run qt-maemo-example, but it won't use the maemo look and feel. how can I achieve that? | 13:18 |
| _julian_ | on my n800 it does | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | try running with run-standalone.sh prefixed | 13:19 |
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| usicow | whats the difference between a catalogue and a repository? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install updated | 13:19 |
| _julian_ | qwerty12: cool that does the trick. thanks (c: - what does that script do? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: (without extras-devel), so we can see if it blows up | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, erm...too late. I let it install :) | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | _julian_: sources the af-defines.sh which has variables for sapwood (the theme server), dbus etc. I have to use run-standalone.sh on my N800 when I'm running programs as root | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | any other guinea pigs running diablo without extras-devel who want to try out a .install file? ;> | 13:21 |
| _julian_ | qwerty12: cool, thanks (c: | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | np :) | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: do I have to use your bootmenu? I'm quite fond of the customisations I have done to mine | 13:21 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I can confirm that extras devel is where e2fsprogs comes from | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: not to test .install | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright, i'll add it then | 13:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, is that more repos than for chinook? | 13:22 |
| Mek | btw, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/d/debootstrap/ :P | 13:22 |
| johnx | thanks Mek :D | 13:23 |
| _julian_ | qwerty12: do you use qt4 on maemo? | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | _julian_: no :) | 13:23 |
| _julian_ | maybe some else? (c: | 13:23 |
| Mek | _julian_: I do (in fact I'm somewhat working on packaging kde4 stuff as well) | 13:24 |
| _julian_ | I run the SDK with Xephyr, is it possible to send the full-screen key to the apps somehow? | 13:25 |
| _julian_ | Mek: ah cool, do you accidently use eclipse and tried qt+eclispse-integration+maemo sdk? | 13:25 |
| johnx | F6 on your keyboard? | 13:25 |
| _julian_ | johnx: thanks (c: | 13:25 |
| Mek | _julian_: no, I haven't tried that | 13:25 |
| johnx | did it work? | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | Here's a useful document about what N800 key does what: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt | 13:26 |
| _julian_ | johnx: yep (c: | 13:26 |
| johnx | good deal. the other F# keys will send other signals...but I don't remember | 13:27 |
| johnx | ...including zoom+ zoom- and menu | 13:27 |
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| qwerty12 | jott is my hero for those boost packages | 13:29 |
| * Mek agrees with that :) | 13:30 | |
| qwerty12 | :). You don't happen to know what provides boost/filesystem.hpp by any chance? I've got libboost-filesystem-dev_1.33.1-10_armel.deb, libboost-filesystem1.33.1_1.33.1-10_armel.deb and libboost-dev_1.33.1-10_armel.deb installed but to no avail :/ | 13:31 |
| _julian_ | cool my app runs on the n800. only graphic effects are a bit slow... (actually did a listview with smooth scrolling, but that is a bit scratchy on n800) | 13:31 |
| _julian_ | Mek: you have experiences with the n800 performance in qt? | 13:33 |
| Mek | _julian_: no, I only have an n810 | 13:33 |
| _julian_ | Mek: is that one much faster then n800? | 13:34 |
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| johnx | they're exactly the same CPU... | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | shit, filesystem.hpp is in 1.34 and later, jott's packaged 1.33 | 13:34 |
| _julian_ | then I guess I need to figure out some way to make it run faster... | 13:36 |
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| Khertan | _julian_: what does your app ? | 13:37 |
| _julian_ | Khertan: it's going to be a remote for a music server | 13:38 |
| johnx | _julian_, are you talking about a fullscreen draggable list? | 13:38 |
| _julian_ | johnx: not completely fullscreen, but a big part of the scree | 13:38 |
| Khertan | johnx: full screen list can be easily made, i ve do it one with edje :) | 13:39 |
| Khertan | but ... i'm not enough lazy to try to make a real ui with edje | 13:39 |
| johnx | just realize that there are some unfixable performance issues with trying to update large parts of the screen at a high framerate | 13:39 |
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| johnx | well, they're fixable but not if you want to use a premade toolkit like qt or gtk, AFAIK | 13:40 |
| _julian_ | actually I use code from here: http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt | 13:40 |
| * qwerty12 gets to packaging boost 1.35 | 13:41 | |
| Mek | qwerty12: good luck :) | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | Mek: thanks, I think I'll need it :D | 13:41 |
| _julian_ | additionally I use some code to get a smooth drill-down effect | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | I would have liked to have used jott's packages but I need filesystem.hpp :/ | 13:42 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, how up to date are svn snapshots? | 13:43 |
| _julian_ | that for I use this: http://benjamin-meyer.blogspot.com/2006/09/drill-down-view.html | 13:43 |
| _julian_ | both examples should easily compile on maemo sdk if you want to try it | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: quite,it should run daily | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | only download snapshot works without svn or whatever, so | 13:57 |
| johnx | yeah, no svn for diablo yet | 14:00 |
| johnx | anyways, install is running along quite merrily :) | 14:00 |
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| johnx | ah, an earthquake, right on schedule | 14:00 |
| johnx | wonder where that one was... | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | anyone know why a package I sent to autobuilder yesterday around midnight still doesn't show up some 12 hours later ? | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | Someone could upload http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/s/subversion/ to diablo extras | 14:03 |
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| qwerty12 | just out of question, if you do that, do you change the maintainers name? | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: autobuilder is slowwwwww | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | the deb will be there but Packages won't be updated | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but 12 hours ? | 14:03 |
| johnx | you should see the wait for the autobuilder for debian :) | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I should at least have a log somewhere | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: I waited for about 2 days | 14:03 |
| nifaal | qwerty12: are you the same guy as on internettablettalk? | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | nifaal: yes | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | but unfortunately, gtg | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | sorry :( | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | bye all | 14:04 |
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| jott | crashanddie: which package? | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | sod | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | jott, cloudreader | 14:04 |
| jott | and where did you upload it to? :) | 14:04 |
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| crashanddie | dput -f diablo-extras-builder cloudreader*.changes | 14:05 |
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| crashanddie | dput -f chinook-extras-builder cloudreader*.changes | 14:05 |
| nifaal | I saw people changing window manager, how is that possible (without installing debian)? | 14:05 |
| jott | crashanddie: usually does not take that long to see the package in the queue :/ | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | jott, yeah, that's what I figured | 14:06 |
| jott | crashanddie: maybe you did not sign it properly? | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | I think I did | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | and even if I didn't, I should be told so | 14:06 |
| jott | maybe just try it again :) | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | debsign -k2CD24267 cloudreader_1.0.2-1_armel.changes | 14:07 |
| jott | yeah looks good. | 14:07 |
| jott | (if that's the same key autobuilder has :P | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | oh | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | well | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | that might be a problem then :D | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | when I created my garage account, I had a borked debian-pooped key | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | (the SSH one) | 14:08 |
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| Edulix | hey! | 14:13 |
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| crashanddie | jott, I think I changed my pgp key also around that time, and I can't change that (I just updated the SSH key) | 14:14 |
| jott | :( | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | jott, so I guess I'm stuck until X-Fade returns | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | autobuilder really ought to be more verbose about these things | 14:15 |
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| crashanddie | jott, you wouldn't know if there's a bug about this somewhere ? | 14:15 |
| jott | no, not really. | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | found it | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3197 | 14:16 |
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| Edulix | hi | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, hah ! You filed the bug about no feedback when autobuilder fails ! | 14:18 |
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| crashanddie | oh no, you just voted for it, my bad | 14:18 |
| Edulix | ok so anyone knows how to convert from ILBC to mp3 or wav or whatever? ILBC is the default encoding in maemo recoder and I want to listen to some of my recordings in my computer | 14:18 |
| yacoob | johnx, fwiw, I've just tested this offline behaviour I was describing earlier, and this time it works fine. | 14:19 |
| * yacoob is curious how often do you people charge your tablets? | 14:19 | |
| crashanddie | Edulix, can you play the file in mplayer ? | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | yacoob, depends what I'm doing with it | 14:19 |
| jott | crashanddie: you could also contact ed bartosh, he is in charge of the builder. maybe just send him your public key and politely ask him if he can update it. | 14:19 |
| johnx | yacoob, once a day | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | yacoob, when I'm developing heavily, I just leave it plugged in, as the screen stays lit that way | 14:20 |
| jott | i'm not sure who else has the right to do so. | 14:20 |
| johnx | errr...I guess the right answer though is: it's plugged in when I'm at home | 14:20 |
| Edulix | crashanddie: no | 14:20 |
| Edulix | libavformat file format detected. | 14:20 |
| Edulix | [mp3 @ 0xb8a560]Could not find codec parameters (Audio: mp1, 160 kb/s) | 14:20 |
| Edulix | LAVF_header: av_find_stream_info() failed | 14:20 |
| jott | isn't there something like a builder@maemo.org mail addy? :) | 14:20 |
| _julian_ | hmm, thinking about the best way to transfer cd-cover images from the music-server to maemo to display them in the remote... maybe I should run a mini-http-server on the music server | 14:21 |
| _julian_ | or has someone a better idea? | 14:21 |
| yacoob | I wonder how long will battery last for geocaching (bt on all the time, screen on/off, depending on situation) | 14:21 |
| jott | the address exists atleast and is used by the builder :) | 14:21 |
| _julian_ | the actual controlling is done through a tcpsocket with a text-based protocol | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: any impressions on the zenity interface? | 14:22 |
| lbt | _julian_: have you seen the squeezebox duet? | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | yacoob, what drains the battery is: poor wifi signal and high traffic, high bluetooth traffic, screen on continuously | 14:22 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, looks nice. a little bit of a pain with the default gtk theme | 14:22 |
| jott | and ad-hoc wifi networks | 14:22 |
| _julian_ | lbt: no, not really | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | yacoob, I did a benchmark, leaving the GPS on the whole time, but the screen off, and the battery lasted for some 14 hours | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, - i should look into how to make it uses maemo theme | 14:23 |
| jott | (which imply "high traffic" :) | 14:23 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it should just inherit it I would think | 14:23 |
| trenka | jott: Ed says, this is to Niels | 14:23 |
| lbt | it's interesting for what you describe, and, AFAIK, it has an open source backend | 14:23 |
| jott | ok | 14:23 |
| lbt | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/devices/3817&cl=roeu,en?WT.ac=ps|4398 | 14:23 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, do other things launched inside roxterm not pickup the maemo theme? | 14:23 |
| lbt | it's squeezebox related | 14:23 |
| jott | trenka: would be good to have some builder@maemo.org or so for support requests :) | 14:23 |
| yacoob | crashanddie, that's good sign :) I'll test it over weekend. | 14:24 |
| lbt | the music server controls the remote though | 14:24 |
| _julian_ | lbt: ah looks interesting. - actually I am doing the remote for a very high end audio server which my company builds. it's targeted for customers who pay a few thousand euros for a cd-player... | 14:24 |
| yacoob | btw, is there some battery tracking tool? I used to have something like that for palmOS, I was able to see what was the usage of power over time. | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFir0_5Jws | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not sure.. but it does sudo to root in a fancy way | 14:24 |
| _julian_ | the remote is just some "play around" right now -evaluating if it might be worth to make it fully grown | 14:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well that would probably do it :) | 14:25 |
| lbt | _julian_: well, you're probably aware of the logitech/slimdevices stuff - similar | 14:25 |
| Edulix | oh and is there any way to use the nokia n810 integrated webcam remotely in another computer as a webcam? or should I start developing support for that by myself hehe :P | 14:25 |
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| _julian_ | lbt: yeah... | 14:26 |
| lbt | http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html | 14:26 |
| lbt | was what I was thinking of - which I guess is functionally in the area? | 14:27 |
| johnx | Edulix, look up gstmpg (or is it gstmjpg?) or similar for a start | 14:27 |
| trenka | jott: that's not a builder related issue, it's about an upload | 14:27 |
| lbt | unless you're multimedia (Myth...) | 14:27 |
| johnx | Edulix, other people have definitely had a start at it, at least... | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | johnx & jott and anyone else, look at the damned video | 14:27 |
| jott | trenka: hm yeah indeed. | 14:28 |
| johnx | crashanddie, ok (will I get rick rolled?) | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | nope | 14:28 |
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| _julian_ | lbt: well yes it's kind of in that area out server is too... just that we pretend to still have better audio quality (c; | 14:28 |
| yacoob | btw, if anyone also wants to keep his/her passwords and encrypted notes in itt, NoteCase is the way to go. | 14:29 |
| _julian_ | lbt: http://www.jusst.de/m1.php | 14:29 |
| _julian_ | lbt: only german though | 14:29 |
| johnx | crashanddie, that looks kinda neat :D | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you'll run in in a syntax error in the end when installing - not fatal, just doesnt set up the bootmenu item properly | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | just ran into it myself | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | (it has already finished installing at that point) | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically making a deblet.item like the one on my alpha test itt post | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | and running refresh_bootmenu.d | 14:32 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, thanks :) | 14:32 |
| johnx | crashanddie, where are you getting the tags from? | 14:33 |
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| Binky | Hi. | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | http://cloudgate.1080degrees.net | 14:33 |
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| Binky | Asking questions still being free, true? | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | I'm afraid not | 14:34 |
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| Binky | lol | 14:34 |
| jott | you have to use paypal now. | 14:34 |
| johnx | Binky, of course it's free :) | 14:34 |
| jott | johnx: sssh! don't corrupt our deal :P | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | It's 20p per question, you can get a complete starter pack including 100 questions, 3 trolls and a ban evasion pass for only 20 quid ! Order now ! | 14:35 |
| jott | crashanddie: looks interesting :) | 14:35 |
| Binky | No thanks, free, do i have to wait 45 seconds before asking an an hour beetween question? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | one hour between obtaining an answer for the previous question | 14:36 |
| Binky | Ok... But if i pay there are more chances of getting answers... | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | Yes, a limit of 24 questions per day is necessary to keep the channel clean and usable for our Premium users | 14:36 |
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| Binky | Lol | 14:37 |
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| Binky | Lol | 14:37 |
| lcuk | could someone direct me to the platinum rewards channel? | 14:37 |
| lcuk | (and i hope that question doesnt need support contract to be answered) | 14:37 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:38 |
| johnx | lcuk, please post your customer number to the channel. In your case it's the same as your credit card number :D | 14:38 |
| Binky | Anyway, i'll ask... If i make two 1 GBs partitions in a 2GB mmc card, where will the 770 mount both partitions? | 14:38 |
| johnx | it will probably only automount the first | 14:39 |
| Binky | media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 | 14:39 |
| Binky | Oh ok | 14:39 |
| lcuk | oi i have paid - i paid in kinetic scrolling cross licensing :P | 14:39 |
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| Binky | But i can make mount /dev/mmcblpk0(or sthg like it) and mountin it anywhere, true? | 14:39 |
| jott | crashanddie: you shouldn't throw out your premium geeks how are you supposed to attract new customers :P | 14:40 |
| yacoob | 'premium geeks' | 14:40 |
| yacoob | that's a scary mental image I didn't need >_< | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | thats ok jott, we can setup an alternative | 14:40 |
| jott | in underpants! | 14:40 |
| johnx | Binky, of course | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | http://www.caledosphere.com/photos/lutte.jpg <-- Gotta love the Olympics (Probably NSFW) | 14:41 |
| Binky | LOL; underpants will only attract a kind of customers... | 14:41 |
| Binky | johnx, thank you | 14:41 |
| lcuk | since platinum is oldhat, i thought i wouldsetup a super-premium maemo support channel for exclusive customers. #maemo-printerink | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | LOL | 14:42 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, did you get the autobuilder building? | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, nope | 14:44 |
| jott | we have to wait for x-fade :/ | 14:44 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll just let the installer do it's thing then | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, probably a gpgpgpgpg/sssssssssh key | 14:44 |
| lcuk | booo hiss, that takes the piss | 14:44 |
| jott | or better he has to :) | 14:44 |
| * johnx sleeps | 14:44 | |
| lcuk | gnite johnx | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | s/key/key problem/ | 14:44 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: lcuk, probably a gpgpgpgpg/sssssssssh key problem | 14:44 |
| lcuk | well with that stutter its feasible you are whispering the key wrong | 14:45 |
| lcuk | nickname: ccccrrrarrarsshhhhaannnddddieie pgp_key_phrase: 111221212333344444445555 | 14:45 |
| jott | what would eve do now? | 14:45 |
| Binky | I love when infobot messes up | 14:45 |
| Binky | Oh wait... | 14:45 |
| lcuk | probably go and copulate with adam | 14:45 |
| lcuk | or the snake | 14:46 |
| lcuk | or both | 14:46 |
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| jott | lcuk: i thought she had an affair with bob already? | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | welll eve is just randy | 14:50 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: lol @ picture | 14:50 |
| aquatix | [or rather, wtf :)] | 14:50 |
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| crashanddie | I would love to see a caption on that picture "YOU FUCK MY WIFE? " | 14:50 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, yesterday, I spent 20 minutes reading news stories using CloudReader | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, this morning, I thought "oh what the hell, let's do it again", and it segfaults | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | I've been tracking the bug ever since | 14:53 |
| Anunakin | good day for all! | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: after deblet.item was made and refresh_bootmenu.d, i booted up a healthy deblet baby atleast :) | 14:54 |
| thux | hi, can i change resolution in os2008? somewhere something like xorg.conf? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | with sound working too | 14:54 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: that youtube movie of yours is quite blurry :) | 14:55 |
| aquatix | cloudreader looks interesting though | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I know, I'll try to do it again today, with better light conditions | 14:56 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, thats not good, reproducable and everything? | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | well reproducing it is no problem, it happens every time xD | 14:56 |
| lcuk | whats your logging telling you? | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | Ah | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | I knew it ! | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | I knew Obama was gonna win | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | [DEBUG] [CloudReader::addWord] Adding word: mccain | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault | 14:57 |
| aquatix | who's Obama? | 14:58 |
| * aquatix runs | 14:58 | |
| lcuk | lol | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | bug fixed | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | TTF_RenderText_Blended(fonts[(occurences <= 16) ? occurences : 16], word.c_str(), colour[theColour]) | 14:59 |
| rm_you | gah, off to work <_< | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | Works a lot better when you stay within the range of the array :P | 15:00 |
| lcuk | heh crashanddie so that tells you people are singing about mccain far too much | 15:01 |
| lcuk | and i suppose it would blow their database to put an ' in there | 15:01 |
| lcuk | actually it would he doesnt have one :D | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | :d | 15:02 |
| * lcuk is crap at speling | 15:02 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, cloudgate has been modded, and it now fetches a description of the article | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | can you get rid of the silly having to press a button thing to click | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, it already display is, but just on one line, which means you get the first 10 words or so, and then "fuckel off" | 15:03 |
| lcuk | when its sat in my cradle i cant use it | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, I'm going to implement a timer and double click | 15:03 |
| lcuk | dont need it, just on mouseup work out how far the mouse has travelled | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but see, canola does that | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | and it sucks | 15:04 |
| lcuk | and not a crows flight start..end, you need actual distance travelled | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | (otherwise it would detect an "O" as a single click | 15:04 |
| lcuk | totaly += ABS(mousedeltay) | 15:05 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, while (mousepressed) storage += abs (yrel); | 15:06 |
| lcuk | but that is only treating 1 dimension, you could click on something at the left hand side and release on the right and it wouldnt be detected.. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | which would you open in browser.. | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | z$ | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | sorry, I farted | 15:07 |
| lcuk | close your windows then, dont want it drifting northwards | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | oh well, storage[0] += abs (yrel); storage[1] += abs (xrel) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | totaldist+=sqr(dx*dx+dy*dy) | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | or that | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | fuck the sqrt | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | sqrt consumes too much CPU | 15:08 |
| lcuk | though its wasteful, but since you arent doing a great deal whilst moving | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | :P | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | My programs don't squirt | 15:09 |
| lcuk | not really, its not like you are sqrting every single point before you draw it | 15:09 |
| lcuk | its only a single op per mouse move and integer sqrt isnt bad | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | well it's going to be on every SDL_EVENT | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | and there are quite a load of those | 15:09 |
| lcuk | sdl_event of type mouse | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but still | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | have you seen the ouput of mouse movement ? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | yer - i do lots of mousey stuff | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | at times it was sufficient to get SSH to lag | 15:10 |
| lcuk | thats only your logging | 15:11 |
| lcuk | try putting a printf inside the render element - you get 400 or so entries per frame | 15:11 |
| lcuk | or put it in the line blit routine and get thousands per frame | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | or put it in the point blit routine and get hundreds of thousands per frame | 15:11 |
| lcuk | 1 sqrt operation per frame is inconsequential at the moment :P | 15:12 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, how much tolerance should I accept for movement in a single click ? | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, 10p on each axis ? | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but remember when you use thumb you get much larger radius impression | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | I'm gonna try something | 15:15 |
| lcuk | DON'T PRESS THE RED BUTTON | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | in windows can i find out which devices are connected to my network? | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, nmap | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, i had enough sleep last night thanks | 15:27 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, http://download.insecure.org/nmap/dist/nmap-4.68-setup.exe | 15:28 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i know what it i, and think it might be installed somewhere, i just dont see why windows doesnt maintain a alist of connections - its authenticated etc so someone must "know" | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | ah | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | you want to know where your box is connected to ? | 15:30 |
| andrewfblack | Hey guys | 15:30 |
| lcuk | yer, i can see the connected icon | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | netstat ? | 15:30 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan you here? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | its normally my 810 but thats not responding so its something else.. | 15:30 |
| glass | lcuk: theres some commandline tools in windows that you can use | 15:30 |
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| glass | but i forgot their names | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, ipconfig /all | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | ? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ipconfig tells me interface, not whats on the backend | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ill use nmap and scan the entire thing | 15:31 |
| lcuk | and netstat gives me irc connection and vnc | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | nbtstat ! gives partial | 15:33 |
| lcuk | hmmm, thats odd - vmware ip ranges are responding to pings | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie | lol, bugfest | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I just added something so that by using the zoom hardware buttons, it applies a filter on the words with a lower significance | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, very simple, just a "if occurences <= filter; return" | 15:39 |
| lcuk | ok, reasonable way to cut the crap | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | it worked before, i had it hard coded (I didn't want all those with occurence == 1) | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | and now the dynamic memory allocation stopped working xD | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | just like that, poof :D | 15:40 |
| lcuk | because the layout changes and you need to reposition everything | 15:41 |
| brontide | Khertan: with py2deb do I need dput or other developer tools, or just copy the block like at the end on py2deb.py ( the main ) | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, no no no, at the start of the program, filter is at 0, so it doesn't filter out anything, but it still doesn't allocate properly | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | isnt your code set into 2 sections: initial loading inside "addword()" and then as you are rendering | 15:42 |
| lcuk | or do you rerun the whole load operation with every resize | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | whole load operation at every resize | 15:43 |
| lcuk | s/resize/filter/ | 15:43 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: or do you rerun the whole load operation with every filter | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | s/resize/filter/ | 15:43 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: whole load operation at every filter | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | :P | 15:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | oooer, so you have made your load_filter() function none reentrant - you are most likely not reseting the x/y upto variables | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | ayway, bbl | 15:47 |
| andrewfblack | hey does anyone know if USBControl will install on Diablo? | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, it would appear I deleted something in the constructor at some point... bufferH = 0; so bufferH had a crazy value, and my test to see if the background buffer needed to be expanded failed, and no expansion occured | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | thank you git for bug finding ! | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | i told you crashanddie im used to writing these kinds of things so know the common pitfalls :P | 15:53 |
| lcuk | but im not here now so nerrr :P glad its workin | 15:54 |
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| Ravious | Anyone know anything about the windows flasher provided by nokia? Im tryin to update my software, but it keeps telling me that it cant connect to nokia servers because my time settings are incorrect.. I've check, my settings are correct. Anyone have any ideas? | 16:10 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: cloudreader is looking good :) | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, just made a newer/better video | 16:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: If you are running a gtk application as root, run it with run-standalone.sh in front | 16:18 |
| qwerty12 | Nice :) | 16:18 |
| * qwerty12 gets back to compiling boost 1.35.0. A shame the compile messed up when I suspended >.< | 16:19 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: even under maemo? | 16:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yes | 16:33 |
| qwerty12 | When you run a gtk app as root, it doesn't pick up the environmental variables that the user account has | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright, will fix that in next instance | 16:34 |
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| qwerty12 | WTF | 16:38 |
| qwerty12 | http://pastebin.com/d22b75f2e | 16:39 |
| qwerty12 | Error 126 really means a lot to me | 16:39 |
| qwerty12 | :rolleyes: | 16:39 |
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| Anunakin | any knows, how to have g77/fortran supporte on scratchbox? | 16:39 |
| * qwerty12 enables verbose | 16:40 | |
| Stskeeps | Anunakin: why would you want that? :P | 16:40 |
| Anunakin | to compile a math application | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's problems with g77 on armel afaik | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | hum | 16:41 |
| Anunakin | on chinook sdk... I cold install gcc 4.3 toolchain... but I not take notes :( | 16:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh, that's easy, grab the testing builds of the cs2008 toolchain and make a new targer | 16:43 |
| qwerty12 | *target | 16:43 |
| qwerty12 | I've got a DIABLO_ARMEL08 target that uses cs2008 rather than cs2005 | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Anunakin: maybe gfortran would be usable | 16:44 |
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| Anunakin | qwerty12:I have the 2008q1 files | 16:47 |
| qwerty12 | Then install it :) | 16:48 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12:but howto make it compatible with sbox? | 16:48 |
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| Anunakin | qwerty12:this is a tar.bz2... I made it on past... using a howto... but I cant find now | 16:49 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I just used deb from here: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 16:49 |
| Anunakin | Stskeeps: I think better to use g77, because I dont want to need install any more lib | 16:49 |
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| Anunakin | hum | 16:52 |
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| Anunakin | thanks qwerty | 16:52 |
| Anunakin | Any think on get one Gigabyte M528 ? | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | why the hell would we want to do that for ? | 16:54 |
| Anunakin | hum? | 16:55 |
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| crashanddie | it's too big, too fat, doesn't fit in my pocket, no use | 16:59 |
| jott | it's not even big, it's huge :) | 17:01 |
| n800m | you need a gigapocket | 17:01 |
| jott | well tbh, i would take one for free :) | 17:02 |
| qwerty12 | +1 except I'd sell it and get a smaller MID :P | 17:02 |
| jott | hah :) | 17:03 |
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| roadies | any scratchbox experts out there that cna answer a few questions ? | 17:05 |
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| jott | roadies: don't ask if you can ask, just ask ...... | 17:07 |
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| roadies | yeah, sorry forgot the rule.... ok so I need to cross compile to a target ARMEL system on a X86 source system, the catch is the make build a executable than executes the program during install, ergo it segment faults. Any examples out there | 17:09 |
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| jott | roadies: qemu tends to be fragile. you could try to use the cvs-m version as cpu transparency method. | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | roadies, why does it execute itself during installation? | 17:16 |
| roadies | jott: I think a found a way around the problem....fyi. the issue is compiling php for apache.....brb with results if it works | 17:16 |
| lcuk | surely thats a job for the postinst | 17:16 |
| nifaal | is anyone being able to run the n810 as an wifi access point? | 17:16 |
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| roadies | nifaal: I do it by cheating... :-D I run AdHoc on it | 17:17 |
| jott | lcuk: there are quite a few packages that use intermediate tools in the buildprocess | 17:17 |
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| nifaal | roadies: ok, I guess the driver doesn't support master mode | 17:18 |
| lcuk | yes, those intermediate tools should already be built shouldnt they? or at least built in correct order | 17:18 |
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| jott | lcuk: yes, but if qemu fails then this does not help ... | 17:19 |
| andrewfblack | I hate this computer it wont open Tar files | 17:20 |
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| roadies | nifaal: I could not answer that, for what I need to do AdHoc was a quick and dirty....however, Adhoc is a bear sometimes to get hosts to link up | 17:21 |
| lcuk | jott, more reasons to prefer native compilation | 17:22 |
| jott | lcuk: .. not with 128mb and 400mhz .. way too slow :) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | and it drains yourr battery considerably faster than infrastructure mode | 17:22 |
| jott | esp. 128mb suck :P | 17:22 |
| lcuk | never said i liked the speed jott :P i would really like an armel desktop | 17:23 |
| roadies | jott: oh blastit, the work around didnt work... back to square one......... make files will be my death | 17:23 |
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| * qwerty12 still needs to get round to trying sbrsh | 17:24 | |
| * qwerty12 likes this twist of "on device compiling" :P | 17:24 | |
| jott | yeah sbrsh can be ok to. | 17:24 |
| jott | or a new version of qemu :> | 17:25 |
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| jott | and i doubt we see a desktop anytime soon :/ | 17:25 |
| qwerty12 | Indeed :). I miss the qemu upgrades in scratchbox that KotCzarny pointed me to :/ | 17:25 |
| jott | i use a svn snapshot :) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | jott, didnt we see an omap3 desktop | 17:26 |
| jott | lcuk: where? oO | 17:26 |
| jott | 128mb ram != desktop for me. | 17:26 |
| lcuk | at linuxtag | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | jott: nice :). I'm too lazy to compile qemu, takes too long. deb ftw :P :) | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: beagleboard? | 17:26 |
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| jott | qwerty12: qemu compiles in 1-2 minutes oO | 17:27 |
| lcuk | i dunno which it was | 17:27 |
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| jott | yeah beagleboard. | 17:27 |
| lcuk | maybe thou | 17:27 |
| jott | but it has just 128mb ram... | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | cant these things be upgraded? | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | jott: heh, maybe it's because the only time I tried compiling qemu it was N800 emulation version and that took ages for me :/ | 17:28 |
| jott | mmh. not really long :) | 17:28 |
| jott | like compared to openoffice, kde, kernel etc :) | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | True :) | 17:29 |
| * qwerty12 has to add he has never attempted openoffice or kde. I've done a kernel though :/ | 17:29 | |
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| * qwerty12 does YAXc: Yet Another X11vnc compile | 17:30 | |
| Anunakin | but n810 wifi module accept infrastruture mode? | 17:30 |
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| andrewfblack | Hey guys Khertan get me playing around with mContacts seeing if I can make a cool UI for it what do you guys prefer Text or Icon buttons? | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | Can someone with Diablo run ls /usr/lib/libosso-ic-preload.so and tell me if it exists please? | 17:34 |
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| andrewfblack | I noticed on mCalendar all his buttons are text but he told me to do it how I want | 17:34 |
| lcuk | svg | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | icon+text underneath or on mouseover... | 17:35 |
| jott | lcuk: finger over? :) | 17:35 |
| jott | andrewfblack: with icons only the size is more flexible and usually you can spot things faster if the icons are good. | 17:36 |
| * lcuk hates icons usually | 17:36 | |
| * jott hates text usually | 17:37 | |
| andrewfblack | Yeah and I was just thinking that Icons just look cooler lol | 17:37 |
| * jott pokes lcuk | 17:37 | |
| lcuk | too many programs use tiny icon sets which require REALLY precise mousing | 17:37 |
| jott | but that's just bat icons :) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | or fingering | 17:37 |
| jott | bad | 17:37 |
| lcuk | no, its the whole design set | 17:37 |
| jott | that's why i restricted the assumption to "good icons" :) | 17:37 |
| jott | i.e. recognizeable and reasonable in size | 17:38 |
| lcuk | its like the icons on desktop thingy for network and brightness etc - they are just a tiny bit too small for comfortable finger use | 17:38 |
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| andrewfblack | yeah I plan on making them figer size | 17:38 |
| lcuk | ok jott yer | 17:38 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, but then theres other times when you need to cram 400 icons on screen | 17:38 |
| nifaal | I am trying to paritionate a memory card. The write-lock is on off. It wasn't working from my n810. I tried on my laptop, every modification of the partition table has no effect. Any idea where the problem can come from? | 17:40 |
| lcuk | jott, do you spend more time rotated 90degrees or have you settled back at normal landscape orientation? | 17:40 |
| jott | uh i rotate only for a few applications | 17:40 |
| jott | sometimes browsing, email and fbreader | 17:40 |
| nifaal | qwerty12: not existing | 17:41 |
| lcuk | i think i might bite the bullet and stick rotation on - and then if it works think a few of us should push nokians present at the summit to add the patch officially | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | nifaal: ok, hmm, must be an icd2 thing. Thanks for checking | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: It works :) | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | i dont mean "if it works" as in its broken, i mean if theres clear benefits to usability without dangeous sideeffects | 17:43 |
| lcuk | ok, yes i mean if it works | 17:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:43 |
| jott | they will never officially support it with hildon... | 17:43 |
| jott | it would be more of a community gift. | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | It's a pisstake that they ship libxrandr2 happily with diablo but not the rotation | 17:44 |
| n800m | apps aren't optimized for rotation tho | 17:44 |
| n800m | most of them | 17:44 |
| jott | yep nokia apps mostly suck rotated :) | 17:45 |
| jott | they just assume a fixed size | 17:45 |
| jott | 3rd party apps usually are better as they don't assume any resultion :) | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | cross platform apps more likely | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Would have been nice if nokia had forward thinking. My OS2003SE (!) pocket pc happily rotates with the apps too | 17:45 |
| lcuk | theres plenty who would fall into 800*480 fixed | 17:45 |
| lcuk | me is included in that statement | 17:46 |
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| n800m | i've had rotation for months now i dont think i've used more than 10-15 times | 17:47 |
| n800m | i wish the statusbar would go away honestly | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: think you would be able to integrate libxrandr2 into liqbase? | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12 has no idea if liqbase works when rotated | 17:48 | |
| qwerty12 | or rather, I can't remember | 17:48 |
| jott | applications should just use the desktop resolution | 17:48 |
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| jott | every assuming fixed size is broken by design | 17:49 |
| jott | everything | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12 it would work, but it knows nothing about available resolutions, so would still offer 800*480 - it would/should display but the lcd should reformat and stretch to fit | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 17:51 |
| lcuk | jott, liqbase is not fixed size - it already operates at arbitary resolution, the main problem is where it gets the list of availabel main resolutions from | 17:51 |
| n800n | format is an f word | 17:51 |
| jott | lcuk: root window size? | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | jott, for now it just has a string list of available resolutions - i could build em up dynamically but for right now its not important | 17:54 |
| lcuk | and even when it does, some display will look "wrong" - it would look stretched and incorrect on the menu screens because it would still layout and split the horizontal in 3 and stuff like that | 17:55 |
| lcuk | the reader element and graffiti wall should work nbicely | 17:55 |
| lcuk | anyway, before ibash more kb i best go | 17:56 |
| lcuk | back later | 17:56 |
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| Khertan | andrewfblack: I use text in mCalendar because i don't know how to render a date in an icon :) how do you represent Friday 22 ? :) | 18:00 |
| Khertan | andrewfblack: but yep icon would be better i think for something like mContacts ... | 18:00 |
| Khertan | andrewfblack: and thanks for help | 18:00 |
| Khertan | bye ... coming back to home ... | 18:00 |
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| * qwerty12 is still confused how "~/99x/bin/busybox ps -fe | ~/99x/bin/busybox grep x11vnc | ~/99x/bin/busybox grep -v grep | ~/99x/bin/busybox awk '{print $1}' | ~/99x/bin/busybox xargs kill -9" closed gedit | 18:03 | |
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| qwerty12 | oh, scratchbox doesn't differentiate between apps running on host. | 18:07 |
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| andrewfblack | Khertan I wasn't complaining about text just asking what people thought :) | 18:09 |
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| andrewfblack | opps he is gone | 18:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 18:24 |
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| [2]baaba | is there a guide somewhere on setting up things so i can run gui programs through sbrsh on the tablet's xserver? | 18:35 |
| [2]baaba | using diablo on an n810 | 18:35 |
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| andrewfblack | hey khertan you there? | 18:52 |
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| yacoob | hm | 19:01 |
| yacoob | johnx, I've found a repeatable scenario when the wireless gets stuck | 19:01 |
| yacoob | connect to wifi, walk away from its range, wait for dhcp lease to time out. | 19:02 |
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| yacoob | dhcp client seems to get stuck somehow - I wasn't able to disconnect (and connect to anything else) untill I've killed it. | 19:03 |
| lbt | who was doing the community kernel project | 19:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | not me | 19:07 |
| lbt | ah it was qwerty12 and we discussed git IIRC | 19:08 |
| lbt | I think I found it https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kernels/ | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I don't remember discussing git :/ | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'm just one of the members :) | 19:08 |
| lbt | and quilt? | 19:09 |
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| lbt | maybe not | 19:09 |
| lbt | 'twas a while back | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, the quilt suggestion was mine, trickie said he liked it in -developers | 19:09 |
| lbt | I just wanted to see about nfs and autofs | 19:09 |
| n800m | http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/21/ask-engadget-best-portable-internet-device/#comments | 19:09 |
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| n800m | attack! | 19:09 |
| lbt | yeah, I think I was saying that andrew morton used quilt | 19:10 |
| lbt | I've never tried it | 19:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Would the sudoers line: "ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/vnc-xrdp stop" allow me to run "sudo /etc/init.d/vnc-xrdp stop" fine? (yes, I know I should try it out instead of asking but I don't have a working device atm and my ubuntu's sudo seems a little different) | 19:11 |
| lbt | it's the same format as many other lines | 19:15 |
| lbt | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, great, thanks for that, so hopefully it should work :) | 19:15 |
| lbt | but maybe 'user' for consistency | 19:15 |
| lbt | yes - all the other lines are "user ALL...." | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12 | I prefer using ALL, when I'm in a root session already and some script wants to use sudo, I get a message saying that "sorry user 'root' isn't allowed to execute this program" etc | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | I went through each sudoer file and changed it to user ALL to ALL ALL by hand :/ | 19:18 |
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| lbt | I suppose it depends if you want to distribute it or use it ;) | 19:19 |
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| * qwerty12 doesn't differentiate ;) | 19:21 | |
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| usicow | does anyone know if its possible to delete the cache headers that Modest downloaded, cause I have thousands of emails in gmail, and I only want the last 50 or say in Modest, but it downloaded all of them :( | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, newer video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FuDFqr1_i3M | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: ta, watching now :) | 19:27 |
| lbt | crashanddie: how much is a mini tripod? | 19:27 |
| * Khertan_n810 hope that one day he can work at home ... to avoid many hours passed in transport | 19:29 | |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: it doesn't return straight back to cloudreader after choosing something to view does it? or are you using vnc or something? | 19:29 |
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| qwerty12 | oh, that reminds me, x11vnc + http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ = brilliant. | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | I made a quick video to show to Addison that putty can run in full screen and his tablet is fucked. | 19:30 |
| * qwerty12 hopes the x11vnc with optimisations actually is faster :/ | 19:31 | |
| usicow | do any of you guys use an external USB stick/thumb drive with the miniusb cabel that comes with the n810? (and a female->female converter + appropriate software) | 19:32 |
| usicow | I want to know if it works, and if so whether its good/bad.. a USB thumdrive is cheaper than a new SD card.. | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | rah maemo wiki main page is still empty ! | 19:33 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, yes it does return straight to cloudreader after you close the browser window | 19:36 |
| GreyFoxx | usi: I'm curious about that as well :) | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: oh, I didn't realise you closed it | 19:37 |
| usicow | GreyFoxx: have you got the female -> female converter? | 19:37 |
| usicow | or adapter rather | 19:37 |
| liri | bef0rd: around? | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | lbt, mini tripod ? | 19:38 |
| lbt | to keep the camera still - it would make it a lot easier to see what's happening and keep focused :D | 19:38 |
| liri | is pygame installed by default on the n810? | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | liri: no, python doesn't come by default either | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | lbt, who gives a | 19:39 |
| liri | qwerty12: ahh | 19:39 |
| liri | qwerty12: but there are python applications on it | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | lbt, seriously, I nicked the camera from my next door neighbour | 19:40 |
| liri | qwerty12: or am I wrong and I probably installed them afterwards? | 19:40 |
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| qwerty12 | liri: you probably enabled extras and installed python (or a program depending on python) from there :) | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | No programs come on the device by default that use python | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know what will be the organisation of lightning session ? | 19:40 |
| liri | qwerty12: ahh ok | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | materials ? | 19:41 |
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| liri | qwerty12: seems that apt-get search isn't valid, another easy way to search for packages? | 19:41 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: what do you need? | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | liri, apt-cache search | 19:41 |
| GreyFoxx | usicow: No, just starting to look into it now | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | liri: install mcalendar it depends on python2.5-runtime | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | booooo python | 19:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | brontide: to know how this will ... just to prepare myself | 19:42 |
| GAN800 | FBReader is finally in Extras! | 19:42 |
| liri | Khertan_n810: and what does python2.5-runtime brings with it? :) | 19:42 |
| * qwerty12 isn't a fan of python (despite my only app being in python) due to cpu usage but the language itself is decent | 19:43 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | brontide: as i don t speak english very well i must prepare my text | 19:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | and the show :) | 19:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | (and make a first release of mContacts) | 19:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | how will be the room | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | liri: python2.5 (>= 2.5.2-1osso2), python2.5-bluez (>= 0.9.1-1osso2), python2.5-dbus (>= 0.82-4osso1), python2.5-gobject (>= 2.14.1-1osso1), python2.5-gstreamer (>= 0.10.5-0osso2), python2.5-cairo (>= 1.4.0-1osso2), python2.5-gtk2 (>= 2.12.1-1osso1), python2.5-hildon (>= 0.8.8-1osso8), python2.5-numeric (>= 24.2-1osso5), python2.5-osso (>= 0.3-1osso4), python2.5-pygame (>= 1.7.1-1osso2), python2.5-xml (>= 0.8.4-1osso9), python2.5-conic (>= 0.1 | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | -1osso1), python2.5-gnome (>= 2.18.0-1osso3), python2.5-id3lib (>= 0.5.1-1osso2), python2.5-imaging (>= 1.1.6-1osso2) :P . It will install python and pygame though for sure | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | oops, didn't realise it was that long, sorry | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | if i can show some video / document ... | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | or it ll be just around a small table | 19:44 |
| yacoob | aghrk! where the hell is '|' on the n810 keyboard?! | 19:44 |
| brontide | Understood. I'll try and get more details, but for now I would assume projector + n810 will be provided and you can always bring your own slideshow/pdf/n8x0 | 19:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 19:45 |
| brontide | There will probably be a loaner laptop there as well | 19:45 |
| TrueJournals | yacoob: Special Characters > Symbols | 19:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll prepare something in pdf so | 19:45 |
| TrueJournals | It's the second row, fifth for the right | 19:45 |
| TrueJournals | wait, n810? | 19:45 |
| TrueJournals | Nevermind :-P | 19:45 |
| yacoob | sigh :) | 19:46 |
| yacoob | mumble, mumble. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | yaccob: chr key | 19:46 |
| * TrueJournals goes and learns how to read.... | 19:46 | |
| qwerty12 | I think some people resort to editing the keyboard definition file for N810 :) | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | yaccob:scroll down | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | As I don't have a N810, I'm not one of them :) | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | yaccob: and it ll be at the top left | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | (on my french keyboard layout) | 19:47 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: if you have any specific questions you can also post to the wiki, just remeber that Quim is on Vacation so it will be a week or so before you get a responce | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide: do you have see that the wiki main page is blank | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | empty | 19:47 |
| brontide | hit reload | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | ctrl+shift+r | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | ame thing | 19:48 |
| brontide | It's working here... must be cached on your end | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | ctrl+shift+r :) | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | (firefox that is) | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: don t work on microb | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:48 |
| TrueJournals | F5 ;-) | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Ahh, clear cache then :) | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol ... command r ? | 19:49 |
| TrueJournals | Khertan_n810: for microb, you can just hit the go button again to reload... | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep i know ... | 19:49 |
| GAN800 | It's nice when two short presses on a button are interpretted as one long press. | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | Or hold the stylus over it and tap reload | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | still blank | 19:50 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Infrastructure | 19:50 |
| lcuk | hit it again | 19:50 |
| lcuk | harder | 19:50 |
| yacoob | ...speaking of which, I need to get proper keyboard layout... | 19:50 |
| lcuk | the harder you hit it the more it will push down the wires | 19:50 |
| TrueJournals | Yeah, I've problems with the main page of the wiki recently | 19:50 |
| liri | Khertan_n810: I am eager to see calendar, contacts and note bookmarks sync with google | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... i wan t to keep thesensitivity of the screen | 19:50 |
| lcuk | khertan, ive lost finger sensitivity in the centre left area of screen, everything actually works, but the left is worse than the right - after my missus leaned her elbow on it ages ago | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | calendar work at this time | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | mcontacts need a better ui | 19:51 |
| lbt | Khertan_n810: mContacts - does it integrate with any ldap/groupware? | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: no ldap | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | no groupware | 19:52 |
| lbt | ok :( | 19:52 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: someday we should sit down and work out a bunch of new GTK widgets for the tablet | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i ll try to made a sync with eds | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide: yep | 19:52 |
| lbt | I've been setting up various groupware VMs here to see if I can get one to work on the N800 | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | specially date/time pickup | 19:52 |
| lbt | s/on/with/ | 19:53 |
| infobot | lbt meant: I've been setting up various groupware VMs here to see if I can get withe to work on the N800 | 19:53 |
| lbt | paf | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: i don t know a usefull one | 19:53 |
| lbt | egroupware is my current best bet | 19:53 |
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| lbt | apparently it works with the Qt contacts stuff | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | i don t like the usability of it | 19:53 |
| lbt | I want it as a home backend - use with Korganiser or similar | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | it can work as a syncml server if i ve well understood | 19:54 |
| lbt | yes - I'm starting to look at some of those things - there's a lot of abandonware out there though | 19:55 |
| lbt | so 'kinda works' but noone is fixing it | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: and i don t like kthings excepted klauncher and kmeteo (but s palm softwares) | 19:55 |
| lbt | I'm agnostic - whatever does the job | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve never found one without problem or miss designed part | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is why at work we use a custom made | 19:56 |
| lbt | true - maybe it's still DIY with slapd | 19:56 |
| lbt | cyrus etc | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | by ourself | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide: is there is a plan to refine hildon widget in a next maemo release ? | 19:57 |
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| andrewfblack | lbt I have message around with a lot of groupware this last few weeks trying to find something I can modify into something better then what I have now at tabletos.org and most of them suck or are abandonware like you said. The few I did find and like the web interface doesn't work else with tablet | 20:05 |
| lbt | andrewfblack: I think I'd like things that implement the various protocols | 20:06 |
| lbt | the tablets are going to be disconnected a lot | 20:06 |
| lbt | so web i/f is secondary (in my book) | 20:06 |
| lbt | then the various Qt PIM apps look useful | 20:07 |
| lbt | (limited true) | 20:07 |
| GAN800 | Khertan_n810, there's lots of UI stuff going on for Fremantle. | 20:08 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: I hope so... I really hope we can see something at the summit so I have an idea of what they are thinking | 20:08 |
| lbt | plus, tbh, cutting down a web i/f is not too hard... | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: and a calendar that sync with google isn t enought ? | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide: i hope too | 20:08 |
| lbt | no, sorry, I have this thing about not storing my data on an advert server | 20:09 |
| lbt | :) | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | GAN800: fremantle ... so this is not for tomorrow | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | Of course not. | 20:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: it s a choice | 20:09 |
| lbt | I'm happy to have my server sync with google | 20:09 |
| lbt | but I want some things to be private | 20:09 |
| andrewfblack | if all you really wants is notes and calendar I looked at http://chandlerproject.org/ but I havn't tried to see if there Linux App would compile on the Tablets | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | andrewfblack: do u have already try to use it ? | 20:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think no ... | 20:11 |
| lbt | I'm favouring things based on established servers: cyrus and slapd | 20:11 |
| lbt | scalable and supported | 20:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: you will have less privacy with this thing than google | 20:11 |
| andrewfblack | Khertan_n810 I'ved used chandlerprojecton my desktop but not the tablet | 20:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve try it ... and found it really useless | 20:12 |
| lbt | Khertan_n810: you mean the chandler thing? I'd run it locally rather than use their server | 20:12 |
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| lbt | but I've only opened the FAQ so far :) | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: i mean slapd | 20:13 |
| andrewfblack | I also found its useless to since I don't like how everything notes and tasks and all are in same section | 20:13 |
| lbt | why? | 20:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | many holes | 20:13 |
| MangoFusion | what is needed | 20:13 |
| MangoFusion | is an app specifically designed for an IT | 20:13 |
| MangoFusion | because lets face it | 20:13 |
| MangoFusion | all the current ones suck as | 20:14 |
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| MangoFusion | as | 20:14 |
| MangoFusion | ass | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | andrewfblack: i found the organization totally lazy | 20:14 |
| lbt | MangoFusion: don't disagree - but we're talking backend servers | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | mcalendar is designed for it ! | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:14 |
| andrewfblack | khertan_n810 I considered writting one my self the web app and database stuff I can do I just don't know enough about python to program a tablet app for it | 20:14 |
| lbt | I'd like those to support standard apis | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | lbt: there isn t standart api ... | 20:15 |
| lbt | hence "I'd like" :D | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | oups :) | 20:16 |
| lbt | there are some that are better than others | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ... | 20:16 |
| * lbt is no expert in this area | 20:16 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | same thing | 20:16 |
| lbt | just looking and learning | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll let ... i take my car to go home | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:17 |
| lbt | I was trying to figure out egroupware<->konversation t'other day using wireshark... | 20:17 |
| lbt | the xml is interesting... but not *that* hard. | 20:17 |
| lbt | anyhow - dinner... | 20:17 |
| lbt | l8r | 20:17 |
| Sho_ | lbt: KDE Konversation? | 20:17 |
| lbt | y | 20:18 |
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| Sho_ | lbt: Ah, interesting (I maintain/develop it) | 20:18 |
| Sho_ | lbt: anyhow, bon appetit | 20:18 |
| lbt | ooh - I'll keep your name around ;) | 20:18 |
| jga23_ | anybody know the gtk widget name for the breadcrumb style widget in the application manager? | 20:18 |
| lbt | there were some syncml (or whatever I can't recall) bugs | 20:19 |
| lbt | anyhow mrs lbt is calling | 20:19 |
| lbt | ttfn | 20:19 |
| Sho_ | lbt: The egroupware stuff is in kdepim, though. Konversation integrates with KDE's KAddressBook using the library and KIMProxy, and KAddressBook in turn can set up and access eGroupWare resources. | 20:20 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, how much mA is the minimum the N800 needs to effectively charge? | 20:31 |
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| Anunakin | qwerty12: Are you here? | 20:43 |
| qwerty12 | Anunakin: sure | 20:44 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12: Man, I installed... 2008q1 toolchain!! | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Anunakin: Nice :) | 20:45 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12: but now I getting a error... | 20:45 |
| Anunakin | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 20:45 |
| Anunakin | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. | 20:45 |
| Anunakin | See `config.log' for more details. | 20:45 |
| qwerty12 | Is this with a new target? | 20:46 |
| Anunakin | I used... --host... and works | 20:46 |
| Anunakin | ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=arm-linux-gnueabi | 20:46 |
| Anunakin | but I mean... where I can resolve it? | 20:46 |
| qwerty12 | Is this with a new target? | 20:46 |
| Anunakin | yes | 20:46 |
| Anunakin | I cloned the old target | 20:47 |
| Anunakin | cp -rp DIABLO_ARMEL DIABLO_ARMEL_2008q1 | 20:47 |
| Anunakin | and change toolchain on sb-menu | 20:47 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like your config file is messed up. Try this one: http://pastebin.com/d5186eebd | 20:48 |
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| GAN800 | t_s_o, ~360mA is what the car charger provides. | 20:48 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12: Nice, you have a solution ... for all thinks! | 20:48 |
| jga23_ | anybody know a good place to buy an extra battery for the n810? | 20:49 |
| t_s_o | ok, i have philips power2go (or was it power2charge) battery here with a usb port thats rated for 350mA and with a note about not going above 450... | 20:49 |
| lcuk | jga23_, nokia online shop? | 20:49 |
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| Anunakin | qwerty12: What I must use from this page? top or botton? | 20:54 |
| t_s_o | well it seems its able to charge the N800, even tho the work light flickers on and off all the time (not sure if thats a indication of overload as i cant find the behavior documented anywhere) | 20:54 |
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| dannym | hi :) | 20:58 |
| yacoob | hm... what are my choices if I'd like to code an app for maemo? C++/Python? | 20:59 |
| Anunakin | hi | 20:59 |
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| dannym | yacoob: Python, C, C++ | 20:59 |
| dannym | yacoob: there are ports of .NET (mono) and Ruby as far as I know | 20:59 |
| Anunakin | yes yacoob... I think there are: tcl/tk, mono | 20:59 |
| dannym | (but they are not there per default) | 21:00 |
| yacoob | any speed considerations, api limitations? | 21:00 |
| Anunakin | yes not default in any system | 21:00 |
| dannym | yacoob: use C if you want speed :) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | yacoob, depends what you wanna do | 21:00 |
| Anunakin | better use C++ with GTK or QT | 21:00 |
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| dannym | yacoob: (that includes writing Python C extensions) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | for a mainly desktop app talking to a database does it matter what language? | 21:01 |
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| dannym | lcuk: no, for glue it doesn't matter :) | 21:01 |
| yacoob | TBH, I don't know yet whether I "want" anything. I'm just trying to estimate the effort/resources needed to write/port an app, if it's not there 8) | 21:01 |
| yacoob | (and here, I'm mostly wondering about maemo-specific part) | 21:02 |
| dannym | yacoob: well, GTK is mostly the standard GTK so if you have done GTK app coding before, it's the same :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | all depends on what it is - ie python would be useless for games, and asm would be useless for a quick ui around another app | 21:02 |
| dannym | yacoob: PyGTK is there, too :D | 21:02 |
| yacoob | for example, there doesn't seem to be any OTP applications, and it will be relatively easy to code one. The part I don't know, is how much harder it will get with maemo. | 21:03 |
| yacoob | Never done *any* UI programming 8) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | printf("OTP application\n"); // todo: find out what OTP actually is | 21:03 |
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| yacoob | one time passwords :) | 21:03 |
| yacoob | (see, I'm PalmOS refugee, trying to find my ground here in maemo world 8) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | someone already coded one of those, however it was OTC and he says it needs rewriting everytime he uses it | 21:04 |
| dannym | yacoob: I see :) no GUI programming experience (at all, anywhere)? that will be "interesting" then :) | 21:05 |
| dannym | yacoob: as for general library availability, <http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/maemo_architecture.html> | 21:05 |
| dannym | yacoob: Maemo is quickly becoming like a normal GNU/Linux distribution and these days almost everything that's on a PC Linux distribution is there :) | 21:06 |
| dannym | (everything which makes sense...) | 21:06 |
| yacoob | dannym, tiny taste of it with webapps, but no desktop apps. I enjoy more implementing some functionality, than making it useful and acessible for others 8) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | and if its not you can attempt to build it | 21:06 |
| yacoob | dannym, yes, I've made a quick round trip through the apps - and saddly, some of the "ports" are soooo out of place on tablet. | 21:07 |
| yacoob | like, application with its own menu bar. | 21:07 |
| dannym | yacoob: yeah, I know. A lot of the apps only were minimally changed in order to build on the tablet and everything else kept... someone should "Hildonize" them (Hildon is the Maemo GUI style) :) | 21:10 |
| lcuk | yacoob, you can say the same thing about some of the nokia apps on the tablet | 21:10 |
| yacoob | which ones? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | look around the system and find out how many scrolling solutions you can find | 21:10 |
| crashanddie | way too many | 21:14 |
| yacoob | hm... scrolling bar, wide scrolling bar, dragging stuff by clicking on the background...? | 21:14 |
| * lcuk thinks kinetic is the way forward | 21:14 | |
| crashanddie | a scrollbar is only useful when you have a mouse with no scrolling wheel | 21:15 |
| lcuk | a scroll area is useful, but not a desktop type scroll bar | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | another use is to "show" where you are on the page, and I agree that can be useful | 21:15 |
| lcuk | a fixed size grab handle along a rail is plenty | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | agreed, I was about to implement that in CR | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | (especially one that happens to use a sketch as its handle ;) | 21:16 |
| crashanddie | haha | 21:16 |
| lcuk | whats the best way of relieving a bad day? | 21:16 |
| crashanddie | get a banana milkshake for you, wife and kids, and enjoy it all together | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill the neighbors. | 21:17 |
| crashanddie | or that | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Breakfast dinner! | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make the family pancakes | 21:17 |
| lcuk | heh GeneralAntilles the neighbours kid isnt helping i must agree | 21:17 |
| lcuk | BACON! | 21:17 |
| yacoob | btw, any way to change the default application for a given extension? | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then fly into a rage when they refuse to eat the food you made. | 21:18 |
| crashanddie | oh fuck, is it 19:20 already ? | 21:18 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I agree | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | djeezus | 21:18 |
| lcuk | yacoob, yes, you just have to install a new window manager, assign the mime types into it, recompile your kernel and bobs your uncle movies will open in mplayer. (its just mime types really i believe) | 21:18 |
| yacoob | 8) | 21:19 |
| crashanddie | OH YOU CUNT | 21:20 |
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| Anunakin | lcuk: Make sex 10 times... with you wife!!!! | 21:21 |
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| crashanddie | make sex ? | 21:21 |
| lcuk | Anunakin, i'm glad you added that last bit, i was making plans to hump my bass speaker | 21:21 |
| crashanddie | make: *** No rule to make target `sex'. Stop. | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | wouldnt it be "-sh: Make: not found" | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | I can understand how one can "make love", or "have sex" | 21:22 |
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| crashanddie | but make it ? | 21:22 |
| egypt | $ %blow | 21:23 |
| egypt | bash: fg: %blow: no such job | 21:23 |
| dannym_ | yacoob: no really, edit "/ur/share/applications/default.list" :) | 21:23 |
| dannym_ | yacoob: you can put whatever program you want to be associated to a MIME Media Type there... | 21:23 |
| moontiger | morning all :) | 21:23 |
| Anunakin | crashanddie: hum I dont know... english not is my firt language... I think all can see it... | 21:23 |
| Anunakin | first | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | Anunakin, english isn't my flirt tongue either | 21:23 |
| dannym_ | yacoob: and if they didn't go out of their way hiding the evil evil UNIX filesystem (?), it would be actually quite discoverable... but noo... | 21:24 |
| dannym_ | (in the file manager, I mean) | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | unix folks wouldnt use the filemanager :) | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | s/UNIX/Linux/ | 21:24 |
| Anunakin | make: *** No rule to make target `sex'. Stop. | 21:24 |
| Anunakin | kkkkkk | 21:24 |
| yacoob | dannym_, nah, I like it this way. | 21:25 |
| dannym_ | lcuk: well yeah... :) | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | wait | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | isn't ls a file manager ? | 21:25 |
| yacoob | I mean, on limited screen space, I shouldn't be forced to click over through the filesystem :) | 21:25 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: that's like saying GQView is Photoshop :) | 21:25 |
| dannym_ | *hides* | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | not really | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | ls is to file manager as paint is to image editor | 21:26 |
| melmoth | Anybody using cairo in pygame ? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | if it can save then, yeah it is - run it, show image, open console write bits to /dev/memoryx whatever it is, write it back | 21:26 |
| lcuk | voila, photoshop | 21:26 |
| yacoob | not even that :P | 21:26 |
| dannym_ | yacoob: it would be actually quite similar to now... if it showed "/", you'd see "media" and the two SD cards... just that they'd be named the same in the filemanager and in the real system :) | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | and you'd see a bunch of shit lusers don't need to know about | 21:27 |
| lcuk | at the least a menu config option could be added "start from /" | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | quite honestly, why ? | 21:28 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: as long as they can't write it... could even make the directories supposed to be evil "o-x" and they can't even enter them :) | 21:28 |
| lcuk | because i dont like having to open another program to browse the filesystem | 21:28 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: why? For consistency... | 21:28 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: as in, everything in the system uses the same names for the same things :) | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | I mean, do you need a file manager to go look into a text file in /etc/conf.d, which you'd probably need to edit through the terminal anyway, considering you need root access ? | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | dannym_, of course it doesn't, where the hell do you come from, Linux 2.2 ? | 21:29 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: hmm? | 21:29 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: what doesn't? | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | if I mount the diablo II expansion CD from /dev/cdrom0 to /media/cdrom, I want it to appear in my file manager as "Diablo II: Expansion set", not /media/cdrom0 | 21:31 |
| Anunakin | hum | 21:31 |
| Anunakin | use automounter | 21:31 |
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| dannym_ | crashanddie: actually in an ideal world, that would be "/media/cdrom0/Diablo II: Expansion set/" ... | 21:32 |
| * dannym_ sighs | 21:32 | |
| yacoob | dannym_, if the product is targeted at general market, I'd say, stick to "safe" fileselector. Unless there would be "extended" version that you can enable by flipping setting in a config file... | 21:33 |
| crashanddie | dannym, I'm sorry, that wouldn't make sense at all | 21:33 |
| crashanddie | dannym, because it wouldn't either respect the CD filesystem, nor the Linux filesystem | 21:33 |
| Anunakin | crashanddie: try use ivman | 21:34 |
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| crashanddie | Anunakin, I don't want to be rude | 21:34 |
| crashanddie | Anunakin, I was citing a mere example, I don't care about mounting CDs or not, I don't care about Diablo II, and if I wanted, I would know how to sort it out | 21:34 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: it works that way today, with ivman :) and makes perfect sense to me and the UNIX system (i.e. there's no crazy hacks to make this work, if that's what you mean) | 21:34 |
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| Anunakin | crashanddie: ivman is a service who mounts you CD using it LABEL | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | I KNOW IT DOES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | so does diablo II work on diablo? | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | yes | 21:35 |
| Anunakin | crashanddie: you wants the same name all time? | 21:35 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: first you say you want it to be that way and then you say it makes no sense... *confused+ :) | 21:35 |
| dannym_ | cool, Diablo on Diablo ^^ | 21:35 |
| lcuk | does diablo work on diablo? | 21:35 |
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| crashanddie | well, not directly | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | but ssh -X never stopped working :P | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | dannym, no, I didn't say I wanted that | 21:36 |
| Anunakin | crashanddie: you wants install diablo II, next it expancion? | 21:36 |
| dannym_ | crashanddie: it should appear in the file manager with the label "Diablo II: Expansion set". Well, it does, then :) | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | Anunakin, say one more word, and I swear I'll send you back down your fucking tubes, got that ? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | *************** OFFICIAL CHANNEL BREAK ***************** before people get carried away with specifics, crash cited a common example, it matters not anything about it, can we please get back to discussing make sex | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, good timing | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | I'm off for a cigarette | 21:37 |
| dannym_ | ok :) | 21:37 |
| n800m | http://www.njoynpro.com/ | 21:38 |
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| yacoob | oooohhh, gjiten. Yummy. | 21:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: KILL? | 21:39 |
| Anunakin | crashanddie: are you crazy? or what? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | RST38h, -9? | 21:40 |
| dannym | yacoob: learning Japanese? :) | 21:41 |
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| yacoob | I had, some time ago. Still try to revisit things now and then. | 21:42 |
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| yacoob | Right now I've made a list of palmos apps, and I'm trying to match up maemo replacements | 21:43 |
| yacoob | and I've arrived at PAdict | 21:43 |
| yacoob | so far so good, only 8 out of 28 apps remain unmatched. | 21:43 |
| yacoob | and most of them are not crucial. | 21:44 |
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| lbt | yacoob: have you put that on the wiki? Sounds like a good idea :) | 21:48 |
| yacoob | No, at the moment it's in my google docs. But that's a good idea indeed. wiki.maemo.org? | 21:49 |
| lbt | yes | 21:49 |
| yacoob | Hmm, mokopedia looks nice. | 21:49 |
| yacoob | ...looks like I'll need either sshd, or bt keyboard for my tablet. | 21:50 |
| yacoob | (and there goes my already scarce free time... :) | 21:50 |
| lbt | ssh - makes life so easy | 21:50 |
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| dannym | reminds me, anyone knows how to get a Mesh network to work (for later SSHing)? | 21:51 |
| dannym | that is, I have a N800 with wireless, a laptop with wireless but _no_ access point. | 21:52 |
| dannym | (no router that can serve as access point) | 21:52 |
| lbt | you need to setup ad-hoc mode | 21:53 |
| lbt | never needed to do it though - but that's the google term in case you didn't know... | 21:54 |
| moontiger | does anyone know how to change the bg color of a toolbar? | 21:54 |
| dannym | lbt: I see, thanks :) | 21:55 |
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| usicow | is anyone using a 16GB SD card in the n810? | 21:56 |
| moontiger | usicow, i have an 8gb only | 21:56 |
| yacoob | ad hoc mode, then some kind of nat on the laptop, then set routing on the tablet... | 21:56 |
| yacoob | nat might be tricky to get, depending on whether you have >1 interface, and operating system. If you have bt in your laptop, pan networking can be an option too. | 21:57 |
| usicow | moontiger: have you heard of people using up to 16GB, or should I just get an 8GB one? | 21:57 |
| moontiger | usicow, i havent but i think i read somewhere that 8gb is the max supported for now | 21:58 |
| dannym | yacoob: yeah, I have bluetooth there. But if usbnet is any indication (Bluetooth uses the same chip), it will probably not work :) | 21:58 |
| usicow | ok | 21:58 |
| dannym | (last time I tried usbnet it crashed both my laptop _and_ the tablet ;)) | 21:58 |
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| moontiger | i got a patriot 8gb for $40 or so fyi | 21:58 |
| lbt | what os is the laptop? | 21:58 |
| yacoob | 8GB is "officially supported", but I think 16GB should just work... | 21:59 |
| yacoob | next actual limit is 128GB :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | dannym, i use adhoc wifi to my windows desktop and it works really well | 21:59 |
| dannym | lbt: Gentoo Linux | 21:59 |
| moontiger | yacoob, probably but at the time 16gb were *very* pricey and i didnt need more than 8gb | 21:59 |
| lcuk | watch for battery life though, set it to manually connect and disconnect | 21:59 |
| usicow | yacoob: ok | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | adhoc kills battery quicker than normal because the wifi circuits cant sleep and always broadcast the network when you enable it | 22:00 |
| lbt | dannym: I have absolutely no problems using usb networking on debian with a home kernel (2.6.25, 26 and 27-rc2) | 22:00 |
| yacoob | btw, has any of you tried microb extensions? | 22:00 |
| pupnik_ | yacoob: have you a summary list of missing apps? | 22:00 |
| dannym | lcuk: I see | 22:00 |
| usicow | I can get an 8GB one which is class 6, but only a class 4 16GB one.. what do you guys recommend, should I get the slower but bigger SD card, or just get the 8GB one which is faster? | 22:01 |
| dannym | lbt: hmm, I tried with 2.6.26.2 last time | 22:01 |
| lbt | usicow: what do you need the extra 8gb for? | 22:01 |
| dannym | lbt: sometimes, the normal usb storage doesn't work via USB either :( maybe hardware failure somewhere (cable?) ... | 22:01 |
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| usicow | lbt: I guess nothing.. more movies? :) | 22:01 |
| pupnik_ | < crashanddie> My programs don't squirt << quote of the day for me | 22:02 |
| lbt | dannym: well, in that case... | 22:02 |
| yacoob | pupnik_, it's somewhat of a scribble, but: tomerider3 (basically, offline wikipedia reader), world clock (system gives me 2 places, I need 3 8), date diff (not crucial, nice toy :), db (just a relational db, not crucial, I think I can just use sqlite), handyshopper, woman, tsOTP | 22:02 |
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| lbt | usicow: then you don't need the speed :) | 22:02 |
| dannym | lbt: (the N800 is usb storage mode doesn't accept any "address" assigned to it - once every 10 tries or so) | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. is the /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 notation consistent on n800/n810? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | lbt, is handyshopper your work? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | or a rival? | 22:02 |
| lbt | goddam copycats... | 22:02 |
| usicow | lbt: hmm good point.. but what type of operations would I need the extra speed for then? lots of copying or something? | 22:03 |
| lbt | :) | 22:03 |
| lbt | usicow: not even sure the hw makes use of the speed | 22:03 |
| lbt | lcuk: not seen it... | 22:03 |
| dannym | Stskeeps: I have a N800 and there, "/media/mmc1" and "/media/mmc2" exist. I don't know about the N810... | 22:03 |
| lcuk | usicow, you always need more speed | 22:03 |
| dannym | lcuk: is adhoc to be set up on both sides? | 22:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm fairly sure it's consistent | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:04 |
| usicow | lcuk: yeah I think I'll get the faster 8GB card. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | dannym, yes. for a completely open connection if 2 computers with the same adhoc name meet they connect :) | 22:04 |
| * Stskeeps is building "install deblet to a file on my MMC card" | 22:05 | |
| * lcuk names his adhoc "free wireless internet" | 22:05 | |
| yacoob | "free bird seed" | 22:05 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the tablet, AFAIK, only mounts VFAT to /media/mmc[12] | 22:06 |
| lcuk | usicow, the faster card should be noticable if you choose to boot from it and store apps etc | 22:06 |
| lcuk | ive got ext2 on my mmc1 i think | 22:06 |
| lbt | but does it automount to that dir? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | how would i be able to tell? | 22:06 |
| lbt | mount | 22:06 |
| lcuk | i dont ever have to manually mount anything (computer related you dirty bastards) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type ext2 (rw) | 22:07 |
| lbt | OK | 22:08 |
| lbt | there's a comment on the wiki that may be wrong then - I just believed it | 22:08 |
| lbt | (damned wikis) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | never trust any single fact on the internet | 22:09 |
| lcuk | or in life itself for that matter | 22:09 |
| lbt | is that a fact? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | yes :P | 22:10 |
| yacoob | hm... | 22:11 |
| yacoob | has anyone measured how much cruft builds up with frequent installing of various packages? One thing is dependencies that gets pulled in and not removed, the other - various files sprinkled around in /var | 22:11 |
| lcuk | yes, theres a cleanup tool around, i think its called flasher-3.0 or something | 22:12 |
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| yacoob | yes, that's my plan so far, test various shit, then reflash and install "wanted" state. :D | 22:13 |
| yacoob | there was a decrufter in Debian, though. One that was going through whole fs and comparing it to both dpkg db state and various policies | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. is there a mkfile equivalent for maemo? | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | if i have to make a 2gb file for instance | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | with all zeros | 22:15 |
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| yacoob | is dd there? | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:16 |
| yacoob | dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/yourfile bs=1G count=2 | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:16 |
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| yacoob | watch out for sparsies :) | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. since im putting a filesystem inside it, im not doing a sparse file | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | as it will perform even worse with a sparse file | 22:17 |
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| dannym | lcuk: do I set up the IP address of the ad-hoc WLAN interface manually? | 22:18 |
| lcuk | i have done, but thats how the rest of my network is configured | 22:19 |
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| jga23_ | anybody know the hildon widget name for the "breadcrumb" widget in the application manager? | 22:31 |
| lbt | I just got FDOSed | 22:32 |
| lbt | it's like a DDOS | 22:32 |
| lbt | but it happens when a feline rests her head on your printscreen key and engages autorepeat.... | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | i thought FDOS was gf dragging you away from computer | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:33 |
| lbt | had to login to a server to ssh back and kill them - and still they kept coming | 22:33 |
| lbt | and she just purred - grrr | 22:33 |
| pupnik_ | funny | 22:38 |
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| t_s_o | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080822-firefox-to-get-massive-javascript-performance-boost.html <- so when can we expect this in microb? | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, it should be merged with trunk by Fremantle. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/it/MicroB/ | 22:46 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: t_s_o, MicroB should be merged with trunk by Fremantle. | 22:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I doubt if there are any real plans for that for MicroB yet, though. | 22:46 |
| t_s_o | ok. so its just a matter of leaning back, waiting for fremantle and hope that nokia dont find some reason to drop the N8x0 line before that time | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, the tablets aren't going anywhere. | 22:48 |
| t_s_o | sorry, just my fatalist streak kicking in... | 22:49 |
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| Dekaritae | http://www.ozmodevices.com/release_08.php | 23:14 |
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| manyoso | Qt painting performance on N810 is really really slow: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3631 | 23:18 |
| manyoso | for those in the community who don't read planetkde.org | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | more reason to get nokia to make powervr stuff availiable ;) | 23:20 |
| jott | manyoso: currently qt is build without vfp | 23:20 |
| manyoso | yah, but i built qt manually with vfp and it didn't help :) | 23:21 |
| jott | ok | 23:21 |
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| manyoso | i used all the same CFLAGS as found on qtopia phone edition for n810 | 23:21 |
| manyoso | didn't help | 23:22 |
| manyoso | regardless, i wonder why antonio doesn't build the packages with vfp and other compiler optimizations | 23:22 |
| jott | it's currently in the queue. | 23:23 |
| jott | i just disabled it for the moment as the builder makes trouble with it. | 23:23 |
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| manyoso | jott: did you seee i posted my patch for QTouchEvent's to the qt4-maemo mailing list? | 23:25 |
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| jott | manyoso: yes, i had no time to look at it in detail yet. | 23:25 |
| zap | Anybody knows a way to find out the name of a package which "Provides:" some virtual package? | 23:27 |
| kulve | if compiling with Scratchbox you can pass gcc options to the gcc wrapper through environment variables. This way e.g. configure or makefiles doesn't need to know about the options | 23:27 |
| jott | manyoso: have you actually looked how much fps the raster render of qgears2 gives under qt/e? would be interesting. | 23:27 |
| zap | for example, package kernel-source-diablo "Provides: kernel-source", how I can find out "kernel-source-diablo" from "kernel-source"? | 23:27 |
| manyoso | no i haven't | 23:27 |
| manyoso | but i've run the identical browser under both and i can say that qt/e is much better | 23:28 |
| manyoso | on same device | 23:28 |
| jott | yes that's why i thought about it, to get some numbers to compare to :) | 23:28 |
| manyoso | when i get some more time maybe i'll run qgears2 under qt/e on n810 for comparison | 23:28 |
| manyoso | but i don't have time soon | 23:29 |
| jott | ok | 23:29 |
| n800m | timefail | 23:31 |
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| lpotter | perhaps I could do it :) | 23:32 |
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| Anunakin | Any knows? about install g77/fortran on scratchbox? | 23:34 |
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| manyoso | lpotter: would be very interesting | 23:34 |
| n800m | you know i just realized i haven't downloaded music in many months | 23:34 |
| n800m | maybe 1+ year | 23:35 |
| n800m | other than creative commons music | 23:35 |
| n800m | i have a new purpose. | 23:36 |
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| crashanddie | n800m, you wouldn't have a more obvious nickname, would you ? | 23:37 |
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| n800n | better? | 23:37 |
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| Toba | what purpose is that? | 23:37 |
| n800n | music binge | 23:38 |
| n800n | i play music pretty much nonstop on the n800 hooked up to a sound system, but mostly shoutcast streams | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | not really | 23:39 |
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| zap | alternatively, is there a way to determine what's the target OS flavour in current scratchbox? (e.g. chinook, diablo etc) | 23:41 |
| elekt | http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/cuntexam.jpg?w=500&h=375 | 23:41 |
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| crashanddie | elekt, LMFAO | 23:43 |
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| elekt | i hat how urls give away content | 23:45 |
| elekt | ruins the joke 50% of the time | 23:45 |
| elekt | hat = hate | 23:45 |
| elekt | domain.com/funny-picture-about-guy-falling-on-his-face-after-being-mauled-by-bear.html | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | this one doesn't: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2785479622_6776be39f7_o.png | 23:46 |
| elekt | hahaha | 23:47 |
| lcuk | i have done, but thats how the rest of my network is configured | 23:48 |
| lcuk | bollocks | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yes ? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | xchat was in the wrong position, im coding and alt-tabbed up arrowed and pressed enter (intening to re-run "./mkrun.sh") | 23:50 |
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| crashanddie | alt+tab pwned | 23:50 |
| lcuk | uh huh | 23:51 |
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| elekt | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/20/ | 23:52 |
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| * lcuk shouldnt have set a network delete off | 23:55 | |
| lcuk | its takin forever | 23:55 |
| lcuk | whats the option i need for rm to delete a folder | 23:56 |
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| * lcuk wont be including any slashes | 23:57 | |
| zap | rm -r | 23:57 |
| lcuk | thanks :) | 23:57 |
| zap | or rm -rf to delete all inside it | 23:57 |
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| zap | sorry, rm -r is recursive, -f is force | 23:58 |
| zap | if you want to just delete a directory and fail if its not empty, use rmdir | 23:58 |
| lcuk | its ok, it worked as expected | 23:59 |
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