| lardman | even accessing shmem as an array from the DSP side I get shmem[1]=0 | 00:00 |
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| lardman | where it ought to be 88 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | so, hm, does this "fanoush mmc speedhack" do anything on N810 Diablo? | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kinda, there is a patch for N800/N810 but a diablo kernel hasn't been compiled with it. I'd do it but i'm busy with diablo android kernel. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | lardman, print out the actual contents of the first arbitary amount of data from shmem[0] and [1] and [2]) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | dont try and use them as pointers, just see if the data itself matches | 00:04 |
| lardman | lcuk: shmem[0:3] = {99,0,0,0} | 00:04 |
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| lardman | as array elements (shmem[x] and as pointers *(shmem+x)) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | are those direct from the actual data, because your code does extra cast to (unsigned short *) | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | ill brb, just got a stinky child to wash | 00:06 |
| GAN800 | ewgross | 00:07 |
| lardman | yes, they were casted as the dbg() fn can only take a short as it's input, I'll try without the case | 00:07 |
| lardman | cast | 00:08 |
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| lardman | s/it's/its | 00:08 |
| lardman | school-boy error | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just blame those on the fingers. ;) | 00:09 |
| lardman | :) | 00:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries to find a decent look other than un-styled html page. | 00:10 | |
| keesj | try "under-construction" ? | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | lardman, was it a casting problem and is it solved | 00:15 |
| lardman | no and no | 00:15 |
| lardman | :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:15 |
| lardman | I'm beginning to wonder if more than 16bits are actually shared | 00:16 |
| lcuk | its a damn shame we havent all got dsp in a box to be able to throw loads of mud at it to help you | 00:16 |
| lardman | ~lart DSP | 00:16 |
| * infobot gives DSP a good seeing to | 00:16 | |
| lardman | well, close enough hey :) | 00:16 |
| lardman | if slightly rude | 00:16 |
| lcuk | is this dsp stuff all open? | 00:16 |
| lardman | yes | 00:16 |
| lardman | but you'll need an x86 Linux box for the cross compiler | 00:17 |
| lcuk | is the box you do the compilation from "clean" or is it just your general house computer | 00:17 |
| lardman | my house computer | 00:17 |
| zap | Why many packages install a link to their .desktop file in /etc/others-menu/ ? I don't see such a requirement in maemo-packaging-policy.pdf | 00:17 |
| lcuk | damn, i wont ask you to make a vmware image from it then | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | though it would be a nice thing if a simple dsp dev image oculd be created | 00:18 |
| lardman | it wouldn't be legally distributable though | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, not open - what prevents it? | 00:18 |
| lardman | Ti license agreement | 00:19 |
| lcuk | ahh, but its all free i take it | 00:19 |
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| zap | free != redistributable | 00:19 |
| lardman | free as in ... hmm, I never know the difference | 00:19 |
| lardman | zap: yep | 00:20 |
| lcuk | yer zap, i see | 00:20 |
| lcuk | lard, you have a char *chmem; on the dsp thats initialized, printf("%i,%i,%i,%i",shmem[0],shmem[1],shmem[2],shmem[3]); gives what you said up there? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | or have you only been printing the values from sbc->input_flag, sbc->input_length, ...) | 00:21 |
| lardman | yep | 00:21 |
| lardman | though I have to cast each to short otherwise it returns 0 | 00:22 |
| zap | dsp understands exclusively int16 data type? | 00:22 |
| lardman | I sometimes get {99,18,0,0}; I set the second value to 18 after displaying the data, so the memory is reused and unaltered (and the ARM doesn't overwrite it!) | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | lardman, which creates the original memory map and which uses it | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | ARM allocate then dsp use after, or the other way round | 00:24 |
| lardman | the memory is shared, the ARM writes some ident values, the DSP tries to read them | 00:25 |
| lardman | I don't know how the MMU does the sharing though | 00:25 |
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| zap | perhaps DSP just has access to the same address space | 00:27 |
| zap | so the kernel dsp driver just has to translate virtual -> physical address | 00:27 |
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| lardman | yes, the SDRAM is mapped so both have access to the shared memory | 00:28 |
| lcuk | the call to shmget needs an identifier to know which shared memory block to get | 00:29 |
| lcuk | one side of the process must allocate the original block? | 00:29 |
| lardman | DSP allocates the original, then ARM maps it with mmap() | 00:30 |
| lcuk | thats: static char shmem[MBUF_LENGTH]; | 00:31 |
| lcuk | that you mentioned before | 00:31 |
| lardman | yep | 00:31 |
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| zap | So nobody knows what use has /etc/others-menu/ ? | 00:31 |
| lardman | hmm | 00:31 |
| lardman | very strange effect | 00:31 |
| lardman | looks like it's down to the size of the shared regions on both ARM & DSP | 00:32 |
| lardman | if they are not the same (for example because one screwed up hex *0.5) it knackers everything | 00:32 |
| lardman | even if the shared regions are vastly larger than the memory being accessed (2*1024*16bits total, I'm only looking at the first 512 8bit bytes or so) | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, that's for debian | 00:33 |
| lardman | my fault completely | 00:33 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: then why almost every maemo app creates a link in there? | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, soz wrong one, it's if you want to use maemo-select-menu-location | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | https://files.maemo.org/nitro - password can be found but you can't do much :/ | 00:34 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: don't you remember where that's documented? google gives lots of garbage, and nothing serious | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, no sorry, but I'd look into the postinst of the package | 00:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm sure stuff gets done with it there | 00:37 |
| zap | I'm looking, but I want to understand why this is done | 00:37 |
| zap | and what the number means (like 0112_sylpheed.desktop) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | lardman, i find all this dsp stuff fascinating and troubling at the same time. i quite honestly believe there are dragons inside these machines | 00:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs a new desktop, now. | 00:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "Thar be dragons!" | 00:40 |
| lcuk | zap, you asked me something at about 5am this morning but had left before i woke up | 00:40 |
| lardman | hmm, film about dragons on now iirc | 00:40 |
| lcuk | any idea what it was | 00:40 |
| lcuk | which one | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 00:40 |
| lardman | something about England being razed to the ground and some yanks coming and saving the day, usual make believe | 00:40 |
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| lardman | :) | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | does anyone know if there's a dct/idct that runs on the DSP? | 00:41 |
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| lardman | ShadowJK: yes there is | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | Oh? | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | do you know if it's in mplayer/lavc yet? | 00:41 |
| zap | lcuk: 10:41:24 <zap> lcuk: what you were meaning as "resolution"? Is this the physical screen resolution, or it's just the size of the buffer you're upscaling to 800x480? | 00:41 |
| lardman | no, byt ssvb was thinking about it as a project | 00:42 |
| lcuk | zap :) good thanks, buffer is upscaled from (for instance) 640*480 to full screen, it works for various resolutions and is free to do (lcd hardware does it) | 00:42 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru422i | 00:43 |
| zap | but YUV12 only? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | its exactly the same as changing resolution for playing games | 00:43 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: and http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru098 | 00:43 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: and probably this one too: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spru037c | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i believe it works nicer for the YUV mode i use is because its geared up to playing movies and essentially uses the TV channel on the display | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, the only page which documents the menu stuff has disappeared of the net :/ | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | btw, has anyone figured out where the bottleneck is in getting mplayer to play higher res? Is it CPU or bandwidth to the display? | 00:44 |
| lardman | zap: upscales which whatever picel formayt | 00:44 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: thank you for looking, I didn't found it either :) | 00:44 |
| lcuk | thats the way i read it all anyway, i might be wrong and its completely available (though unsupported in software) or rgb | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | any more | 00:44 |
| lcuk | i can | 00:45 |
| zap | what API should be used to upscale RGB data? | 00:45 |
| zap | (alt: does SDL use hardware acceleration for that) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | omapfb :) | 00:45 |
| zap | boo | 00:45 |
| zap | something easier? | 00:45 |
| lardman | look at mplayer source, or liqbase, and just change the format | 00:45 |
| zap | mplayer uses YUV12 so it's not a prob for him | 00:45 |
| lardman | format enum that is | 00:45 |
| lardman | well just use a different one | 00:46 |
| zap | and liqbase uses YUV12 as well, afaik | 00:46 |
| lardman | it works with RGB from the DSP side | 00:46 |
| lcuk | lardmanxv library does not support rgb | 00:46 |
| lardman | upscaling, etc. | 00:46 |
| lcuk | omapfb very likely does | 00:46 |
| lcuk | well we know it does | 00:46 |
| zap | I don't understand why everybody uses yuv12 if omapfb supports rgb? this is kind of strange | 00:46 |
| lardman | lcd controller bandwidth limir | 00:47 |
| lardman | limit | 00:47 |
| zap | uqm port for example converts rgb to yuv12 just to make use of the scaler | 00:47 |
| lcuk | rgb800*480 16bits per pixel is 800*480*2 bytes of data per page | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html :) | 00:47 |
| lardman | yes in which case omapfb is the way to go, that's what the DSP stuff links into iirc | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | YV12 is 12 bits per pixel, save 4 :-) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | yuv800*480 16bits per pixel is 800*480*1 + 400*240*2 bytes of data per page | 00:47 |
| lcuk | yuv800*480 24bits per pixel is 800*480*1 + 400*240*2 bytes of data per page | 00:47 |
| lardman | zap: the conversion is done to get framerate | 00:48 |
| lcuk | shat forget that one | 00:48 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: thank a lot, although it does not mention /etc/others-menu | 00:48 |
| zap | got it, 12bpp vs 16bpp | 00:48 |
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| lcuk | night lard | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, I think it can be called in two ways. the others-menu may be an old tradition | 00:48 |
| zap | hmm, ok, so I can omit it :) | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/creating_a_debian_package.html | 00:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | note it's for bora :) | 00:50 |
| lcuk | doctor who time | 00:51 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot for help | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np :) | 00:52 |
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| timelyx | qwerty12_N800: -ffast-math is evil. it literally violates math rules | 01:01 |
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| timelyx | if you're building something that does anything w/ math (e.g. mozilla) it'll crash | 01:01 |
| timelyx | (and it's not the code's fault, it's the existence of an invalid optimization) | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch, thanks for that, good to know | 01:02 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list :) | 01:03 |
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| timelyx | jott: there should be a new post to browser-extras relatively soon | 01:07 |
| timelyx | i reviewed it this past week :) | 01:07 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: disk cache isn't supported in microb in diablo | 01:08 |
| timelyx | i've asked romaxa to please fix that <asap>, but ... | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | is that engine or ui problem? | 01:08 |
| timelyx | my goal for the week is to ship w/ it pref disabled but configure enabled | 01:08 |
| timelyx | we'd turn it on properly eventually... but i just want it at least avail as an opt... | 01:09 |
| timelyx | qwerty12_N800: the existence of settings to control cache in the ui is a bug :) | 01:10 |
| timelyx | but the fact that the engine doesn't support disk cache was a "feature" | 01:10 |
| timelyx | we were "optimizing for size" | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ :) | 01:10 |
| timelyx | and even though i asked people to profile the feature... no one did | 01:11 |
| timelyx | so nothing changed :(... i had hoped to change it before we shipped diablo | 01:11 |
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| timelyx | anyway, time to read my spam and find food | 01:11 |
| timelyx | ~700 spams... yum | 01:12 |
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| kkrusty | the square button on the left of my n800 is blinking | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's showing you it's love | 01:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/it's/its | 01:18 |
| kkrusty | Its showing me that I have email :/ | 01:18 |
| kkrusty | scared the s*it out of me | 01:19 |
| timelyx | you can turn that feature off | 01:20 |
| timelyx | if you're me, you *must* turn that feature off | 01:20 |
| kkrusty | timelyx: agreed. Thats what Im doing now | 01:20 |
| kkrusty | I would imagine that this might've been a useful feature for someone who reads each and every email. I have about 200 unread ones | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | w00t, browserd died with signal 13 | 01:22 |
| timelyx | kkrusty: it's useful if you get 1 email per day randomly during the day | 01:22 |
| timelyx | if you get a dozen every minute otoh .. | 01:22 |
| Kegetys | server side spam filtering is a good thing :) | 01:23 |
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| timelyx | who said anything about spam? | 01:23 |
| Kegetys | well, server side (whatever it is you dont care about) filtering then | 01:24 |
| timelyx | although, i just found that a mailinglist subscribe request was marked as spam | 01:24 |
| timelyx | "oops" | 01:24 |
| timelyx | gmail search = anything i don't care about, i don't have to read yet | 01:24 |
| Kegetys | doesnt gmail allow you to put the mailing list posts to a different imap folder, and dont auto-download those to the device | 01:25 |
| timelyx | um, i don't know of a single MUA that can survive any of my mailboxes | 01:26 |
| timelyx | so i don't bother | 01:26 |
| timelyx | i tried a dozen or so MUAs over a year ago, they all failed miserably | 01:26 |
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| timelyx | and this wasn't posts. this was the "you must reply to this to subscribe" | 01:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone still have mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb? komputika is down :/ | 01:29 |
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| * GeneralAntilles scratches his head. | 01:33 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/1063311 | 01:33 |
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| timelyx | use a faster pastebin =b | 01:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The nice thing about browsing maemo.org all the time is that it makes the rest of the internet feel way fast. | 01:35 |
| timelyx | lol | 01:35 |
| timelyx | 2. you know that alt= is a *mandator* attribute of img, right? | 01:36 |
| * timelyx sends the feds out to get GAN800 | 01:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I removed it hoping it might change something | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | but alt doesn't have an effect | 01:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws his N800 out the window. | 01:37 | |
| timelyx | this is in a single page? | 01:37 |
| timelyx | is this from an http server? (check logs?) | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Local | 01:37 |
| timelyx | strace :) | 01:37 |
| timelyx | i assume the image is "tiny"? | 01:38 |
| timelyx | seems strange... | 01:38 |
| timelyx | in general, that's supposed to be coalesced as a single request w/ multiple observers by libpr0n | 01:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | that lib always gets me | 01:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's about the strangest thing I've ever seen. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I'll forget about the pretty .install arrow for now. | 01:44 |
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| Psykosis | Anyone know why running an app via shell will close it "okay" however running it from the hildon menus causes it to just lock up on close? | 01:53 |
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| Atarii | anyone here? | 02:28 |
| kkrusty | look behind the furniture. Everyones hiding :) | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just ceiling cat, and he's watching you fail at making that 770 not suck. :P | 02:30 |
| Atarii | lol | 02:30 |
| Atarii | you win GA | 02:30 |
| Atarii | if i get this hob on monday, 810 upgrage is first on the list | 02:31 |
| Atarii | job* | 02:31 |
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| Atarii | anyways, my question is, can i flash kernel only in windows? or just using the flasher3.0 in linux? | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Windows flasher doesn't support any cool features. | 02:33 |
| Atarii | damn, that's going to have to wait until tomorrow then, as my laptop is packed away | 02:33 |
| Atarii | hmm unless i can do it via vmware.... | 02:34 |
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| * kkrusty wonders whether the flasher would work on maemo linux | 02:35 | |
| kkrusty | of course it wouldnt without the sourcec | 02:35 |
| kkrusty | *source | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, Nokia bundles a flasher now | 02:36 |
| Psykosis | Does VMWare even support USB? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Psykosis, yes. | 02:36 |
| timelyx | vmware works | 02:36 |
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| Psykosis | Ooo.. I must have missed that (runs off and plugs in a flash drive) | 02:36 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Atarii, fanoush has an on device kernel flasher | 02:37 |
| Atarii | yea ive tried than befire and it broke it though :( | 02:38 |
| Atarii | my typing sucks tonight | 02:38 |
| qwerty12-N800 | worked for me everytime :/ | 02:38 |
| ralann | i have flashed via vmware | 02:45 |
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| Atarii | ok here goes qwerty12-N800, on your head be it if it dies | 02:51 |
| Atarii | woop | 02:53 |
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| crashanddie | ok | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | not to be a bitch or anything | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | but why the fuck have I been removed from the Maemo Summit Participants page ? | 04:11 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:11 |
| timelyx | can i complain that '-' is still showing up | 04:12 |
| crashanddie | this is really not cool :/ | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | How to screw with a fucked up day: get gasoline splashed over your laptop, have someone you like move back to India to get *married*, and best of all, get simply *deleted* from the users at the Maemo Summit | 04:16 |
| crashanddie | Not even have Nokia refuse the sponsorship, which I can understand, simply, *deleted* | 04:17 |
| timelyx | file a bug about the last one | 04:18 |
| timelyx | the others ... well... | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | yeah right | 04:18 |
| crashanddie | like it's a bug | 04:18 |
| timelyx | it's a work task... requires investigation by a server admin | 04:19 |
| timelyx | they fix my bugs :) | 04:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk_, you around ? | 04:23 |
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| Dekaritae | Just wondering, has anyone used one of these before? | 04:26 |
| Dekaritae | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160258122913 | 04:26 |
| Dekaritae | The reserve price for these appears to be around $400 | 04:28 |
| yigal | Dekaritae: looks pretty hot | 04:30 |
| Dekaritae | How so? | 04:30 |
| Dekaritae | Well, it looked intriguing. But my choice right now is between the Samsung Q1 and the Asus R2H | 04:32 |
| yigal | ? it has some nice specs and has a linux by default, I don't know I just bought a n800 that is enough for me | 04:32 |
| Dekaritae | Yeah, I have an N800 but it's not sufficient. The best book reader lacks too many features and there is no decent PIM suite | 04:33 |
| Dekaritae | I find myself carrying my Palm around instead | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | Dekaritae, stick around for a bit | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | Dekaritae, fancy new apps coming soon | 04:33 |
| Dekaritae | Oh hmm? | 04:33 |
| yigal | Dekaritae: I'm a command line user mutt, irssi simple tools on a terminal and n800 can provide this functionality for me, so it is enough | 04:34 |
| yigal | for me | 04:34 |
| Dekaritae | You mean "new and not GPE"? | 04:34 |
| Dekaritae | I used those, and passed. mCalendar is a good start, though | 04:34 |
| crashanddie | Dekaritae, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 04:35 |
| Dekaritae | crashanddie: My issue with fbreader is that it does not visually mark visited hyperlinks in document as "visited". This makes it unusable for me | 04:36 |
| * lcuk_ knows a calender would float really well | 04:37 | |
| crashanddie | add a feature request, or submit a patch | 04:37 |
| lcuk_ | a | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | hey mate | 04:37 |
| Dekaritae | Already have, no response | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_, you any idea why I got removed from the Maemo Summit registered participants page ? | 04:37 |
| Dekaritae | I have the source for the maemo port, been meaning to poke a bit at it | 04:38 |
| lcuk_ | evening, nope just reading what you put now | 04:38 |
| lcuk_ | i hadnt looked at it since finding out i was going | 04:38 |
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| crashanddie | needless to say, I'm pissed | 04:40 |
| yigal | hopefully drunk also | 04:40 |
| crashanddie | ? | 04:41 |
| yigal | pissed drunk | 04:41 |
| yigal | sorry, I'm amusing myself, not intending to be at any body's exspense | 04:41 |
| Atarii | lcuk_ you feeling chirpy? | 04:42 |
| lcuk_ | no unfortunatly, on very last legs before sleep, just spotted it binging | 04:42 |
| yigal | can the stylus for the n8xx be mastered to get a reasonable typing speed, 30wpm or so? | 04:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_, how's the garage getting along ? | 04:43 |
| lcuk_ | atarii, the repo you use to get gcc from is the same one that scratchbox uses | 04:43 |
| crashanddie | yigal, frankly, I barely use the stylus for typing | 04:43 |
| crashanddie | yigal, I have an n810 though | 04:43 |
| Atarii | ok | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | yigal, when I have to do extensive typing on it, I nick the bluetooth keyboard from the PS3 | 04:44 |
| lcuk_ | once you have that its a case of installing the other things required, make and dev libraries | 04:44 |
| Atarii | right, thanks | 04:44 |
| lcuk_ | if you cant find it ill give you more info tomorrow | 04:44 |
| yigal | crashanddie: yes, I have just purchased 4 hours ago an n800, ok so is the stylus more or less useless for inputing keys? | 04:44 |
| lcuk_ | im off 2 bed | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_, night man, have a good one | 04:45 |
| Atarii | ok cyas | 04:45 |
| lcuk_ | yigal, the OSK on 800 is very thumb friendly | 04:45 |
| yigal | lcuk_: gnight | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_, btw, will you be flying out from London or Midlands ? | 04:45 |
| yigal | lcuk_: I want to use the xterm quite a lot if possible | 04:45 |
| lcuk_ | would be manchester | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | k | 04:46 |
| lcuk_ | yigal, get a bt keyboard then | 04:46 |
| lcuk_ | gnite | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | yigal, I'd suggest getting a bt keyboard too if you want to type a lot | 04:46 |
| yigal | hmm, so the stylus cannot be used via training etc. for a non-slow input tool | 04:47 |
| yigal | it is slow that is? | 04:47 |
| yigal | crashanddie: definately a keyboard | 04:47 |
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| yigal | crashanddie: but if I'm sitting under a tree philosophizing it would be nice to use the stylus rather than an external keyboard | 04:48 |
| yigal | even if I'm getting on the order of 20wpm | 04:48 |
| Atarii | maybe if you got REALLY good using the handwriting you could do it pretty quick | 04:48 |
| yigal | Atarii: I like chop sticks, and it is kind of exciting for me to use a stylus for this purpose | 04:49 |
| Atarii | as a chop stick? | 04:49 |
| yigal | Atarii: well there are 2 of these that come in the box :) , no I'm just giving an example of dexterity exercises I find enjoyable | 04:49 |
| yigal | the purpose being to use the stylus as a writing tool, like a pencil | 04:50 |
| yigal | is 20wpm out of the question, 30, 40? | 04:51 |
| timelyx | Dekaritae: i have a crash dump from a BSOD from a Samsung Q1 :) | 04:51 |
| timelyx | it was only moderately fun to kill and took <<15mins | 04:51 |
| Dekaritae | Unhn | 04:51 |
| timelyx | sadly, i don't have dumps for nokia phones or ipod touches | 04:52 |
| timelyx | even though i've killed a number of the former, and at least my coworker has killed the latter | 04:52 |
| timelyx | but, that's because they don't seem to support public dump files :( | 04:52 |
| timelyx | it's just a note about software quality and oom handling | 04:53 |
| timelyx | the n800 ime seems to be considerably more robust | 04:53 |
| timelyx | sure the browser will probably crash eventually | 04:53 |
| timelyx | but usually the device itself isn't going to reboot | 04:53 |
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| Atarii | unless its a 770... | 04:54 |
| timelyx | i did say n800, didn't i? :) | 04:54 |
| Atarii | trudat | 04:54 |
| yigal | Atarii: so the stylus can be mastered? :) | 04:55 |
| timelyx | the 770s were indeed not so great wrt oom handling :( | 04:55 |
| Atarii | i guess so yigal | 04:55 |
| Atarii | i wouldn't like to use it for too long though, it's not the most comfortable thing | 04:55 |
| yigal | Atarii: is it worse than writing on a small piece of paper? | 04:56 |
| yigal | Atarii: don't answer I'll find out soon enough | 04:57 |
| Atarii | hard to say as i dont use the handwriting function | 04:58 |
| Atarii | although i should teach it, i guess it would be quicker than the kbd then | 04:58 |
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| Deka | Weird little Eee clone: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150264269557 | 05:10 |
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| johnx | yeah, what the heck is an "xburst 32 bit"? | 05:11 |
| chibiAcyd | knockoff of an xscale? | 05:11 |
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| johnx | that was my first though too | 05:12 |
| johnx | interesting to put an ARM in such a big device | 05:12 |
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| crashanddie | and since when is processor different from CPU ? | 05:13 |
| johnx | heh | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | Linux 2.4 ? How is that an operating system ? That's merely a kernel, and an old one at that | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | And there is no support for flash for 2.4 | 05:13 |
| johnx | I googled "jz430" and it's definitely embedded, but I still don't know the instruction set... | 05:13 |
| chibiAcyd | yes there is, flash 6 | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | is that still even in use , | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | ? | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | honestly... Flash 6... was about as powerful as a .gif ? | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | "Network Access: ADSL" | 05:14 |
| chibiAcyd | most sites require flash9 | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | erhm, so it has a xDSL modem included ? | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | RAM: "4*32MB" is that some fancy pantsy way of saying 128 ? | 05:15 |
| chibiAcyd | yeah | 05:15 |
| crashanddie | johnx, it's RISC | 05:16 |
| johnx | ok, that narrows out a couple architectures | 05:16 |
| johnx | ah, wait RISC the architecture? as in MIPS? | 05:17 |
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| crashanddie | Think so | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | "XBurst RISC instruction set to support Linux and WinCE" | 05:18 |
| johnx | right, and this: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Ingenic | 05:19 |
| johnx | MIPS32 | 05:19 |
| crashanddie | That CPU is about as powerful as the one in the n8x0 | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | well, almost | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | 336Mhz | 05:20 |
| johnx | you really can't compare two different CPUs MHz to MHz | 05:21 |
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| crashanddie | anyway | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | I'm out to bed | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | cheers | 05:25 |
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| Deka | Confound it all. The season finale of Doctor Who is downloading and I'm leaving for a party in ten minutes | 06:09 |
| chibiAcyd | my cable got shut off about halfway through the season | 06:12 |
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| timelyx | chibiAcyd: my cablebox requires a remote, and over a month ago, it stopped listening to the remote. so i can't watch anything | 06:43 |
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| freet15 | I have some question about moblin kernel build. | 06:53 |
| freet15 | is there any body get an error like this : debian/ruleset/misc/checks.mk:36: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. | 06:53 |
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| chibiAcyd | that sucks timelyx | 06:56 |
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| Grackle_ | Ah, I found my spare N800 stylus. *has a stylus again* | 07:00 |
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| dieman | http://picasaweb.google.com/scottdier/N810Project/photo#5219746230436136434 | 07:04 |
| dieman | [ignore the display of the radio, obviously 932 degrees E does not exist :)] | 07:04 |
| Grackle_ | whee ham radio | 07:04 |
| dieman | heh | 07:05 |
| dieman | also, doh, left my cell phone on those photos | 07:05 |
| * dieman fixes taht up | 07:05 | |
| dieman | not like its hard to get | 07:05 |
| * Grackle_ wonders what interesting things he could do with his N800 right now | 07:06 | |
| dieman | heh, all better now | 07:07 |
| dieman | Grackle_: you a ham? | 07:07 |
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| Grackle_ | Yeah, my call is KB1FYR. I'm a technician class. Licensed in 2000. I was 10 years old then. o.o | 07:08 |
| dieman | ahh | 07:08 |
| Grackle_ | I'm not very active, but I like to pick up a ham radio project every once in a while. | 07:08 |
| dieman | well, your license is probally still active :) | 07:08 |
| Grackle_ | I'm mostly interested in data. | 07:08 |
| Grackle_ | Yeah, it'll be active for another 2 years. | 07:08 |
| dieman | im trying to get roadmap to interface with the D700a | 07:08 |
| dieman | reasonably enough | 07:09 |
| Grackle_ | I'll upgrade to general sometime before it goes away. | 07:09 |
| dieman | then, start looking at porting xastr someday | 07:09 |
| dieman | xastir | 07:09 |
| Grackle_ | xastir is pretty heavy, unfortunately | 07:09 |
| dieman | yeah | 07:09 |
| dieman | sadly | 07:09 |
| dieman | im guessing the chances are about nil :) | 07:09 |
| Grackle_ | Also it uses the yuq widget set | 07:09 |
| dieman | yeah | 07:09 |
| dieman | the whole graphical end of it would need, uh, help | 07:10 |
| dieman | someone was looking at a gtk port | 07:10 |
| dieman | once upon a time | 07:10 |
| dieman | but im guessing it got nowhere | 07:10 |
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| dieman | basically i get people really interested until they go 'can i send objects' | 07:11 |
| dieman | and im like, uh, no | 07:11 |
| dieman | of course, in this state i dont think you can mount laptops in your car anymore without getting a ticket | 07:12 |
| Grackle_ | Heh, most people seem to think porting it from motif to gtk or qt is a dumb idea, because it doesn't need to look pretty, and motif is more lightweight. Except.. It's not. gtk and qt are quite modern and very lightweight systems can be built around them. Usability would be much improved, too.. | 07:12 |
| dieman | ditto | 07:12 |
| dieman | also: motif == 90s, just in case they were wondering | 07:12 |
| Grackle_ | haha, indeed | 07:13 |
| dieman | sounds like they might go to wxwidgets or something since they want non-x11 now | 07:16 |
| dieman | non-x11 support | 07:16 |
| dieman | i might just wait until someone either goes for wxwidgets or makes pluggable interfaces | 07:16 |
| dieman | downside: someone is going insane with requirements and use cases. | 07:17 |
| Grackle_ | I think pluggable interfaces would be the way to go. | 07:17 |
| dieman | and uml | 07:17 |
| Grackle_ | I'd like to see an APRS program built on the gmaps API. | 07:17 |
| dieman | one thought i read on the list was to split a daemon from the UI | 07:17 |
| dieman | and let people hack on their own UIs | 07:17 |
| dieman | but i dont know if thats what they are thinking now | 07:17 |
| Grackle_ | I don't think xastir is active enough for radical changes, really. | 07:18 |
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| dieman | true | 07:18 |
| dieman | i did prod the mameo mapper people about some ideas i had | 07:19 |
| dieman | they seemend receptive. | 07:19 |
| dieman | mostly multilayer display (they want that too anyhow) | 07:19 |
| dieman | and throwing objects/waypoints back and forth with external apps | 07:19 |
| Grackle_ | hmm | 07:20 |
| dieman | i've been messing with roadmap since it already had an api for working with external apps | 07:20 |
| dieman | and OSM is pretty slick | 07:20 |
| Grackle_ | OSM? | 07:22 |
| dieman | openstreetmaps | 07:22 |
| Grackle_ | uhoh, I have suffered from loss of borders and graphical widgets | 07:23 |
| * Grackle_ had this happen before, but not in diablo | 07:23 | |
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| dieman | heh | 07:23 |
| dieman | you use omweather? | 07:23 |
| Grackle_ | no | 07:23 |
| dieman | i had omweather crash the wm a few times a day | 07:24 |
| dieman | at one point | 07:24 |
| dieman | anyhow, as can be seen in the photos, i've been having fun with powerpoles :) | 07:24 |
| dieman | and i learned that making up a 12V->5V adaptor isn't that hard | 07:25 |
| Grackle_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=181668 This is what happened. | 07:26 |
| timelyx | dieman: i thought motif was 80s | 07:26 |
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| dieman | netscape navigator used it | 07:26 |
| dieman | so i feel it was still in massive use during much of the 90s | 07:26 |
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| dieman | Grackle_: ahh suck | 07:27 |
| timelyx | Answer: Motif is a widely-accepted set of user interface guidelines developed | 07:28 |
| timelyx | by the Open Software Foundation (OSF) around 1989 which specifies how an X | 07:28 |
| timelyx | 80s :) | 07:28 |
| timelyx | i'm not saying it wasn't still in use in the 90s, i certainly remember that | 07:30 |
| timelyx | but from my perspective, what matters is when something was created | 07:30 |
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| dieman | timelyx: ahh :) | 07:39 |
| dieman | timelyx: dunno, my unix-foo only goes back to the 90s, too :) | 07:40 |
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| esworp | so, i'm curious, what can i accomplish with aircrack? | 08:05 |
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| Grackle_ | Holy crap, internettablettalk.com only allows you to have 3 messages in your inbox and outbox combined. | 08:07 |
| * Grackle_ has a sent message, a reply, and a sent message | 08:08 | |
| Grackle_ | Hopefully the forum software handles overflows nicely, so I can get a reply to the third message.. | 08:08 |
| Grackle_ | This is really silly. >.>; | 08:08 |
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| Grackle_ | Fucking ridiculous. ITT really does enforce the 3 message maximum. Sent message, get reply, sent followup, and I can't get anything after that without deleting some of the previous conversation. | 09:20 |
| Grackle_ | Like, I was sent another message, and it notified me of the fact that it threw it out. Gee, thanks. | 09:21 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 09:28 |
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| freet15 | Hi | 09:35 |
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| GNUton | hey freet15 | 09:50 |
| freet15 | GNUton: I have a problem during compile the kernel of moblin : debian/ruleset/misc/checks.mk:36: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. | 09:54 |
| acydlord | is diablo 4.0 or 4.1 in bugzilla? | 09:55 |
| freet15 | OH ? | 09:55 |
| freet15 | acydlord: you know a solution to this issue? | 09:56 |
| acydlord | sure dont | 09:56 |
| freet15 | ;) | 09:56 |
| summatusmentis | freet15: the solution is there in the error. Specify a subarch | 09:58 |
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| freet15 | summatus|away: subarch .... I have tryed. | 10:02 |
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| GNUton | acydlord: diablo is 4.1 | 10:06 |
| acydlord | thx | 10:07 |
| GNUton | freet15: do you have specified a valid subarch? | 10:07 |
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| zap | Anybody got locale to work in scratchbox? I can't get it to work under either DIABLO-X86 or DIABLO-ARM | 10:17 |
| zap | setlocale (LC_ALL, "") always returns "C" no matter what's the value of $LANG | 10:18 |
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| freet15 | GNUton: ..... I wish it was valid.... | 10:20 |
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| timelyx | dieman: yeah, well the internet was around before 1990 :) | 10:43 |
| dieman | timelyx: heh | 10:44 |
| dieman | the only 'internet' i had for a few years was when i was at the open house my dad's workplace had (GE) | 10:44 |
| dieman | they had a pile of computers 'on the web' | 10:44 |
| dieman | back when tables where a newfangled way to view yahoo.com | 10:45 |
| dieman | computers being sparc 2's | 10:45 |
| dieman | and stuff | 10:45 |
| * timelyx remembers the web before tables :) | 10:45 | |
| dieman | they may have had some 20s by then | 10:45 |
| dieman | yeah, i had overdosed on bbs-ing and got uh, directed away from the 'internet' for a while | 10:45 |
| timelyx | (in fact, i remember gopher) | 10:45 |
| dieman | as a kid | 10:45 |
| dieman | yeah, i happen to uh, work where they came up with gopher, sort of. | 10:46 |
| timelyx | yeah, i used more bbs than internet for a while | 10:46 |
| timelyx | but i eventually found a bbs that would be my internet gateway | 10:46 |
| dieman | not in the same group, but at the same university | 10:46 |
| timelyx | instead of a local library which offered a gopher => web gateway | 10:46 |
| dieman | i lived in milwaukee, so it was execpc or die at the time | 10:46 |
| dieman | pretty much | 10:46 |
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| dieman | for internets | 10:46 |
| dieman | they basically cornered the market | 10:46 |
| dieman | since they had more dialup lines than god | 10:47 |
| dieman | back before everyone went to channelized t1 lines | 10:47 |
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| zap | how to build a debian source package? | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 12:18 |
| pupnik_ | -b | 12:18 |
| pupnik_ | eh | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | fakeroot debian/rules binary is another way | 12:19 |
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| pupnik_ | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 12:19 |
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| qwerty12 | The diablo one just says dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 12:20 |
| zap | thats how to build a binary package | 12:21 |
| zap | but I need to build a .src.deb or how it is called in debian | 12:22 |
| zap | aha, dpkg-buildpackage -S | 12:23 |
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| yerga | zap, the autobuilder want something similar to "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S" | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | sorry misread your question zap | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | If any of you deal in BB5 flashing, is there a file that exists called: RX-34_v6_0_4200823-14.exe ? | 12:26 |
| freet15 | any body compile the kernel from moblin.org? | 12:26 |
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| zap | hmm, this built a single tar.gz package but if I do apt-get source I get a separate source archive and a separate diff.gz file | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | Never mind, found it. Nokia files get leaked like a bitch. :P | 12:34 |
| yerga | zap, I think if you do 'apt-get source' the diff file is applied automatically to the package | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | ok, which hooligan moved my tobacco? | 12:41 |
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| * qwerty12 wishes that the N800_Schematics were better quality :( | 12:42 | |
| rm_you | lcuk: so, i looked at the code for your reader and decided that i'm not the least bit qualified to be messing with that :P | 12:42 |
| rm_you | but i may try anyway | 12:42 |
| rm_you | also, omgwtfbbq at Dr. Who | 12:43 |
| lcuk | its ok rm :) for now its technology demo | 12:43 |
| rm_you | was there a new ep today/yesterday? | 12:43 |
| lcuk | omgwtfbbq doesnt even come close, you need to add ponies and sharks with laser beams | 12:43 |
| * qwerty12 wishes that the retardis would blow itself up with the cast in it :P | 12:43 | |
| lcuk | yer, finale | 12:43 |
| lcuk | :D retardis | 12:43 |
| rm_you | omgwtfbbq watching it in like 10 minutes when it finishes DLing :P | 12:44 |
| lcuk | i think one day they will land in albert square, qwerty12 let us know when it does ;) | 12:44 |
| rm_you | omgwtfbbq found it at 720p :P | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I hope not. :P | 12:44 |
| lcuk | i watched it legal and quickly via flash | 12:44 |
| * rm_you is not in the UK? >_> | 12:45 | |
| qwerty12 | I never used iPlayer, the one time I wanted to watch kidulthood, I couldn't find it there >.< | 12:45 |
| lcuk | bbc are putting entire archives up on there soon :) | 12:45 |
| lcuk | bbc ftw! | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :) | 12:46 |
| rm_you | lcuk: does it work in linux? | 12:46 |
| lcuk | does what work? flash | 12:46 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't watch ITV as much anymore compared to bbc | 12:46 | |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, it's in flash. ofc flash is dodgy in linux so ymmv :/ | 12:47 |
| rm_you | i thought i heard BBC used some microsoft-only DRM | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | I think for a while they used windows media player to stream the stuff | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | Now it's just flash, I can even watch the stuff (shitly) on a tabket | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | s/tabket/tablet/ | 12:48 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Now it's just flash, I can even watch the stuff (shitly) on a tablet | 12:48 |
| lcuk | i never liked itv, their kids tv stuff was always second rate (apart from funhouse with the twins) :D | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | I know, so I switched to CBeebies ^-^ | 12:48 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 12:49 |
| lcuk | gordon the gopher ruled the world | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | POW. And how long has the image of diablo been out: http://pastebin.com/m3c4b68cf ? | 12:50 |
| yerga | lcuk, the source is in the garage? | 12:50 |
| lcuk | not yet its not | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I can feel my fingers tingling! | 12:51 |
| lcuk | im trying to get svn working here | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | (And for the unaware, that's a quote from fimbles, smth like that, my brother watched it, not me!) | 12:51 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, is your top knot twitching? | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Not as far I can tell :/ | 12:51 |
| zap | qwerty12: what ROM is that? | 12:51 |
| yerga | lcuk, and where can I found the source? :) | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | zap, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 - you'll understand it more :) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | yerga, on svn in a few days as soon as i manage to get it all sorted here :) | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | I just grabbed the file that matches with diablo of torrent just now | 12:52 |
| yerga | ok, I will check it | 12:52 |
| * lcuk apologises for any inconvenience whilst his inexperience is sorted | 12:53 | |
| yerga | lcuk, no problem, it's all ok ;) | 12:53 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you thought i would never ever unlock the source didn't ya | 12:54 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah, i really didn't ;P | 12:55 |
| lcuk | yerga, have you seen the video and stuff and tried the binary? | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | lmao, I can even print out the nokia label next to my memory card with the mac on it | 12:55 |
| yerga | lcuk, yes, it's cool | 12:56 |
| yerga | but i have a problem | 12:56 |
| lcuk | i hate the way google asks me: "Did you mean: ligbase" wtf is a liqbase | 12:56 |
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| lcuk | oooer whats the prob | 12:56 |
| yerga | it only is shown in half window | 12:56 |
| lcuk | are you using rotation | 12:56 |
| yerga | no | 12:57 |
| lardman | morning | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, you don't have android installed do you? | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 12:57 |
| yerga | yes | 12:57 |
| yerga | android is installed | 12:57 |
| lcuk | "A Structural Database of Aligned Ligand Binding Sites" | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, yes, framebuffer is set to automatic in that kernel I compiled, use fanoush's fb_update_mode to set it to manual | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | (auto messes up programs that use xsp etc) | 12:57 |
| yerga | ok, qwerty12 , thanks | 12:58 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: if you can't get SVN working, note: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 | 12:58 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, thanks for that bit of diagnostics. you are going to be an extremely worthwhile asset to any company when you grow up if you stick at this | 12:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks! :) | 12:59 |
| * lcuk tosses a coin | 13:00 | |
| lcuk | (no dirty jokes please) | 13:00 |
| rm_you | ooo is it a two hour episode!? | 13:01 |
| lcuk | no, but its longer than normal | 13:01 |
| rm_you | it's like twice the filesize i'm used to | 13:01 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:01 |
| lcuk | and you have it at higher resolution | 13:01 |
| lcuk | and probably translated into 17 languages | 13:02 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:02 |
| rm_you | if the US wasn't like 3 or so weeks behind, i would just watch it on TV >_> | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | Come to the UK, watch it on iPlayer and go back :P | 13:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:03 |
| pupnik | lcuk: money arrive yet? | 13:03 |
| rm_you | damn, season 1 won't QUITE fit on a single DVD >_< | 13:03 |
| lcuk | i havent checked the bank today (mind you i never check the bank) | 13:03 |
| pupnik | k i'll check today or tomorrow | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: seen it yet? | 13:06 |
| lcuk | jaffa!!!!!!! yer | 13:07 |
| lcuk | have you (properly) | 13:07 |
| lcuk | when i create a binary in windows, im used to the version being embedded inside it, do i do this with binaries for this device and how do i manage version numbers and build numbers etc | 13:08 |
| rm_you | lcuk: convention is to have command line --version ? i think | 13:09 |
| rm_you | or check "version" by md5sum | 13:10 |
| lcuk | lardman, ive just grabbed your sbc from svn and ill do similar, but i can only put up a normal makefile, i cant do ./configure or .in files and all that stuff | 13:10 |
| lcuk | rm_you, yes, thats fine, but do i have to manually update the version every time i build it | 13:10 |
| rm_you | with a .deb? | 13:11 |
| rm_you | there is a debian/changelog | 13:11 |
| rm_you | and it gets the version out of that | 13:11 |
| lcuk | well if its in the deb then its not in the binary and i cant use ./liqbase --version can i... | 13:11 |
| rm_you | oh, no you have to manually update THAT | 13:11 |
| lcuk | really? how quant | 13:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:11 |
| rm_you | like i said, md5sum is prolly the best way to keep track | 13:12 |
| lcuk | no its not because users arent gonna know that version ab2383abbaabddb32834 is older than version aa293423842348aa | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | no its not because users arent gonna know that version ab2383abbaabddb32834 is older than version aa293423842348aa | 13:13 |
| rm_you | <rm_you> if you're talking about an intelligent updater or similar | 13:13 |
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| rm_you | for --version you do have to update it manually, yes :/ | 13:14 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't know much but can't you like make version have a "date" variable when it was compiled? | 13:14 |
| rm_you | though if you WANTED, you could make the version a define, and add a thing to your makefile that automatically gets it and increments it every time you do a make >_> | 13:14 |
| rm_you | ah, or that would work if you want to do date based versioning | 13:15 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, yes, that is available and can be placed into a const char[] | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, I've seen it on my laptop at good enough quality | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Rather natty. | 13:15 |
| lcuk | jaffa, your mud builder isnt binary is it | 13:16 |
| * qwerty12 is really happy. Pheoenix 2008 is cracked. Yes, I know it's wrong but as it's a nokia internal app, I aint ever gonna see it. | 13:17 | |
| rm_you | ?? | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: no, basically Perl driving standard debian scripts like dh_make, and dpkg-buildpackage | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, I should be able to mess around with the internals of my N800: http://i32.tinypic.com/2ry69zc.jpg | 13:19 |
| rm_you | what is it >_> | 13:19 |
| yerga | qwerty12, what's Pheoenix? | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia program that the Nokia service shops use. I had a copy before but it was non-cracked so I couldn't actually connect to my N800 with it. | 13:20 |
| rm_you | searching for it, all i can find are qwerty12's posts <_< | 13:20 |
| rm_you | WHAT DOES IT DOOOOOO | 13:20 |
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| qwerty12 | A flasher that the nokia centers use, as you can guess, it can do more than the standard windows flasher and even some things more than the linux one. | 13:21 |
| yerga | is it only for windown? | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 13:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: sorry for the slow reply | 13:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: what do you want to do, build it? | 13:22 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah, you're thinking about what to put with liqbase? | 13:22 |
| lcuk | no lardman :) just look at how you're source is arranged :) ive downloaded a bunch of different projects now and none are really in the debian format (/src folder) | 13:22 |
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| lardman | I only have the configure stuff as the code is a drop in replacement for the bits in bluez-utils, otherwise I'd have a simple Makefile | 13:23 |
| lardman | My code structure is not right either, you should have a trunk, then bits coming off that | 13:23 |
| lcuk | yer i see you do for some bits | 13:23 |
| lcuk | its ok, it makes me feel not so bad about having everything in one folder | 13:23 |
| lardman | the Makefile, etc. makes no odds, as long as it can be built all is well | 13:23 |
| * lcuk grew organically | 13:23 | |
| lardman | do think about when you want to branch to make test releases though, my strucutre is nasty - mk2, mk3, etc. | 13:24 |
| lcuk | ive already got myself a "backup entire folder now with a title" function | 13:24 |
| lcuk | im just gonna push to svn at the end of that .sh | 13:24 |
| lardman | you should also add comments to your commit: svn commit -m "first release" | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | yer, if you go into my source folder, you will see a .sh called kcup.sh kotczarny originally wrote for me right at the start. it asks me for a title and zips up the entire folder using foldername_date_reason.tar.gz | 13:26 |
| lcuk | so ill just do svn passing it the reason and my workflow doesnt change at the end of the day | 13:27 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. | 13:31 |
| Veggen | The flimsy charger has broken again. | 13:31 |
| lcuk | veggen, where are you shoving it to break it? | 13:31 |
| Veggen | lcuk: it breaks far too easily. But I very often use my tablet with the charger in. | 13:32 |
| Veggen | guess I shouldn't do that. | 13:32 |
| lcuk | i do as well, its between monitor and kb | 13:32 |
| lcuk | or do you mean on your knee | 13:32 |
| Veggen | anywhere. | 13:33 |
| lcuk | if its off your desk i can understand actually | 13:33 |
| Veggen | it is, often. | 13:33 |
| lcuk | i use a cradle for mine http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 13:33 |
| lcuk | so when charger is in it is kinda protected (you can see where it goes) | 13:34 |
| * timelyx sighds | 13:35 | |
| Kegetys | thats quite high tech | 13:35 |
| lcuk | its made of wood, its so high tech even jesus's dad could have made it :P | 13:35 |
| Kegetys | what about the rubber band | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | ooh, rubber band! | 13:36 |
| lcuk | shhhhh dont tell everyone | 13:36 |
| * qwerty12 goes into espionage mode | 13:36 | |
| Jaffa | Right. Time to ditch this house and head home. | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | BBL. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | cya jaffa | 13:37 |
| lardman | hmm bus error, but at least the code is running | 13:37 |
| lcuk | "Error: Stagecoach service #182 does not run on Sundays" ?? | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | I had a bus error with something that used the framebuffer, didn't know what to do next so I left it :P | 13:38 |
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| rm_you | lol yeah i dunno what bus error is really :/ only one i understand fully is seg fault :P | 13:38 |
| lcuk | mornin lbt | 13:39 |
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| rm_you | ooo stargate continuum is out too :P | 13:39 |
| lbt | morning | 13:40 |
| lardman | I think it comes when you look where you shouldn't | 13:40 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m61efda3d | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | I thought that was a slap? | 13:40 |
| lcuk | lardman :D does this mean you actually got the shm working (to a degree) | 13:42 |
| lcuk | cos you muttered something about the window size between processors and ran off laughing like a maniac | 13:42 |
| lardman | lcuk: oh yeah, that's working | 13:43 |
| lcuk | :D wicked | 13:43 |
| lardman | ah yes, that was my problem, I made a mistake dividing my hex buffer size by 2 | 13:43 |
| lardman | :S | 13:43 |
| rm_you | <_< | 13:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:43 |
| rm_you | lardman: so, status on SBC? | 13:43 |
| lardman | strange behaviour though for a mistake like that | 13:43 |
| * rm_you is always hopeful | 13:43 | |
| lcuk | SBCC is TBC | 13:44 |
| lcuk | -C | 13:44 |
| lardman | rm_you: the shared memory one is running, very very slowly - need to optimise the polling, and has a bus fault atm | 13:44 |
| lcuk | i gather you didnt look into the timing things | 13:44 |
| rm_you | off to watch the season finale :P bbl | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | cya later rm, enjoy and watch to the very end | 13:45 |
| lcuk | including credits | 13:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: There are no clocks available, most of the CLK_* fns are not available | 13:45 |
| lcuk | ok, ill stop asking :D | 13:45 |
| lardman | annoying though, have to do wasteful polling | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | Bye :). I'll have to restart my computer a few times to install phoenix. | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | yes, but polling is a different problem isnt it? like the sleep thing you wanted | 13:46 |
| lardman | ah, you're talking about using clocks for benchmarking/optimisation? | 13:47 |
| lardman | can't do that either, afaict | 13:47 |
| lcuk | yes, the sleep thing was something totally seperate and i thought you said it was using an uninitialized mutex thing: there are funcs to start/stop them if i read it correctly | 13:48 |
| lcuk | (but knowing my luck/knowledge of the dsp at the mo i havent) | 13:48 |
| lardman | a semaphore, but that semaphore must be linked into the realtime clock and incremented by that | 13:49 |
| lardman | and that would require changes to the dsp kernel | 13:49 |
| lardman | I think | 13:49 |
| lcuk | im sure something like this is required for core stuff and should be inside the kernel already | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | it doesnt make sense to leave it out | 13:51 |
| sl | why would you want a semaphore to be linked into a clock ? | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | lardman | 13:53 |
| lardman | crashanddie: that's how the CLK_sleep() fn works | 13:53 |
| lcuk | you are copying data from main memory into SRAM on the 2420 | 13:53 |
| lcuk | is that function possible for the ARM itself? | 13:54 |
| lardman | you tell it how many ticks you want to sleep for, and it then does pend(clk_sem, nticks) | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | what, using an archaic while (!allowed to run) usleep (50) ? | 13:54 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, just sharing SDRAM | 13:54 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I don;t know how the semaphore should be decremented, but there are no clocks available on the DSP afaict atm | 13:55 |
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| crashanddie | well | 13:55 |
| lardman | crashanddie: so my archaic code is now while(!allowed to run), loop lots of times, loop lots of times | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman, so you coded your own semaphore ? | 13:56 |
| lcuk | morning sl btw :P | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | hai :) | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | *nothing better than waking up and discussing CPAM | 13:56 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I'd prefer to poll and then sleep, but sleep doesn't work | 13:57 |
| lcuk | i gotta see what kind of a performance boost i can get by using that memory | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | lardman, you're trying to run stuff right off the dsp, right ? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | there 5mb inside the 2420 itself | 13:57 |
| lardman | yes | 13:57 |
| lardman | lcuk: what's that? | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | SHIT WASP BRB | 13:57 |
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| lardman | kill! | 13:57 |
| lcuk | the 2420 has its own actual SRAM memory onboard - its what pvr and stuff do | 13:58 |
| lcuk | 5-Mb internal SRAM boosts streaming media performance | 13:58 |
| lardman | the dsp has sram | 13:58 |
| lcuk | im betting that accessing that memory will be faster than having to come out of the chip to get at the 128mb | 13:58 |
| lcuk | treat it like x86 cache | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grackle_, you gotta post, like, 4 posts and it jumps up to 50 or 100. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, poke. | 13:59 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, hes gone watching dr who | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooker. . . . | 13:59 |
| lardman | lcuk: no idea how you can get to it though | 14:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, storing images or data within that memory and processing internally before squirting out finished data onto normal framebuffer would be a nice thing if it can be done | 14:00 |
| lcuk | im betting its just a specified memory region possibly available for mapping, ill keep it in mind for when im in the right place | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you know none of us can answer your question about the registration page, right? Bitching here isn't going to solve it. ;) You gotta actually contact the people who know what's going on. | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, did I say anything about it this morning ? | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still going through the scrollback. | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | right, so you'll understand that I was pissed last night | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, did you file a bug or email somebody? :P | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | but if you have a name, I'll be happy to take it | 14:03 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla, or X-Fade or Quim would be good options. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though Quim's at GUADEC for the time being. | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | you honestly believe I should have to file a bug ? | 14:03 |
| timelyx | yes | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seeing as how it's probably a bug, yes. | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | At the moment, I'm not going to contact anyone, cuz I'm a bit too much of an ass right now | 14:04 |
| aquatix | hm, anybody knows of aircrack-ng for os2008/diablo? | 14:04 |
| aquatix | can only find it for os2007 and the 770 | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, it is around for diablo IIRC | 14:05 |
| aquatix | odd, couldn't find it in maemo's reps | 14:05 |
| Andy80 | aquatix, same problem here.... I cannot find kismet too | 14:05 |
| Andy80 | it looks like nobody is interested in them... | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, gronmayer tells me its in the mulliner repo | 14:07 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: yeah, found that one, but it notes nokia770 | 14:07 |
| aquatix | hm, chinook | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | I see chinook | 14:07 |
| * aquatix tries | 14:07 | |
| crashanddie | Andy80, their use is highly restrained as there is no packet injection available | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | Andy80, and airodump has false positives about the encryption used, sees ghost packets, etc | 14:08 |
| aquatix | ah? because of the nokia wireless driver or something? | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | yeh | 14:09 |
| Andy80 | I just need kismet with gps support, to be able to map wifi networks | 14:09 |
| * aquatix just wants to crack some wep networks | 14:09 | |
| aquatix | oh, did i just say that out loud? :) | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | Andy80, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-June/028251.html old but still accurate | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, usually I'll just map wep networks by foot with my NIT, then park the car with my laptop | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | recon if you will :P | 14:12 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:12 |
| * aquatix just wants internet when he's somewhere ;) | 14:12 | |
| aquatix | and i don't use my laptop much anymore | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | going to watch doctor who series finale | 14:13 |
| aquatix | damn you | 14:13 |
| * aquatix still needs to watch season 3 | 14:13 | |
| aquatix | hf :) | 14:14 |
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| Andy80 | read.... | 14:15 |
| Andy80 | uff... | 14:15 |
| Andy80 | this is the problem when all the code is not open | 14:15 |
| aquatix | *nod* | 14:16 |
| Andy80 | see ya later | 14:17 |
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| lardman | sigbus is confusingly caused by a poll error | 14:20 |
| lardman | I'm not sure it's good programming practise for the dsp kernel to crash when one of the tasks doesn't respond to a poll | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 14:21 |
| lardman | I'll have to add a bug | 14:21 |
| lardman | feels like Win3.1, have to add a yield() call in my polling loop | 14:22 |
| lardman | hmm, I fear this code (with these loop params) will be quite slow compared with the bulk transfer code, it takes ~1s per transfer atm | 14:23 |
| lardman | and there are 5023 (iirc) transfers.... | 14:23 |
| lardman | ctrl-c, got to ~5min, so not really competitive with the previous DSP attempt at ~20s all in (or ARM at ~3s!) | 14:24 |
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| lardman | 1m55s, getting better; more loop tweaking to do | 14:29 |
| lardman | 50s... | 14:35 |
| lcuk | lardman, you know the bit in apollo 13 where the engineers are trying to restart the ship under a certain number of amps? well i get the same feeling here.. ;) | 14:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, since we did SD booting yesterday, perhaps https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card would be good for today? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the former kinda depends on the latter. | 14:41 |
| dneary | hi | 14:42 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Good call! | 14:42 |
| dneary | Would you mind stripping the Midgard stuff & setting WPotD on partitioning? | 14:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 5th: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 14:45 |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 5th: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card" | 14:45 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 6th: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card" | 14:46 | |
| rm_you | lol wow.... >_> time to grab the Confidential | 14:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you with as tick for the 5th time. | 14:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/as tick/a stick/ | 14:50 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 5th: https://wi... | 14:50 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ... | 14:50 |
| rm_you | infopwnt | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, I put together a www for the Garage page | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to commit it or give me commit access so I can? | 14:50 |
| rm_you | i thought you had it | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so. | 14:51 |
| rm_you | check? | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least, it's not accepting my authentication. | 14:51 |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: thankfully no-one will die if it takes too long | 14:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: which is a good thing as I have to nip out and buy some food | 14:51 |
| lardman | bbiab | 14:51 |
| lcuk | ok lol | 14:52 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you watch Doctor Who? >_> | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not yet | 14:53 |
| rm_you | <_< | 14:53 |
| rm_you | yeah, you have write access on SCM | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 14:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles idiot | 14:55 | |
| rm_you | lol | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles -> generalantilles | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there we go http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:59 |
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| rm_you | Brilliant! | 15:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The body could use more interesting formatting, but it's small-screen friendly right now and looks OK. | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nokia's turning gangsta: http://i26.tinypic.com/14kzbj6.png | 15:02 |
| rm_you | lol GA, even has the favicon :P | 15:03 |
| rm_you | nice touch | 15:03 |
| pupnik | how is that gangsta | 15:03 |
| pupnik | oh homiez | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was gonna turn it into a larger logo for the banner, but I never got around to vectorizing the volume-half of the icon. | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, maybe. | 15:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:04 |
| rm_you | that's fairly recursive, qwerty12_N800 | 15:04 |
| rm_you | not as much as... if i can find it, hold on... | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap, didn't re-add the TODO list. | 15:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I like crashanddie's pic of nokia going green :p | 15:05 |
| lcuk | which ones that | 15:06 |
| lcuk | ahhhh i remember | 15:06 |
| lcuk | anyone know how i can make putty start in a specific folder | 15:09 |
| rm_you | lcuk: ? | 15:10 |
| keesj | is it possible to make a home applet that doens't move? | 15:10 |
| rm_you | lcuk: whatfor could it possibly matter? | 15:10 |
| rm_you | that said, if you make a shortcut and edit the "Working Directory" | 15:11 |
| rm_you | that should do it | 15:11 |
| lcuk | when i connect to 810 it always start in / i always have to "cd /media/mmc1/liqbase | 15:11 |
| rm_you | OH that | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, TODO re-added. | 15:11 |
| lcuk | keesj, i thought that locking applets was a suggested diablo feature? | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Fremantle, probably. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | but its a flag somewhere thats checked on mousedown - its not rocket science | 15:12 |
| rm_you | lcuk: haven't tested, but a thought: | 15:12 |
| keesj | lcuk: I guess you can set the "home" dir to that location in the passwd files | 15:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | keesj, emjayes found out that you can use chattr to lock applets but it only works on ext2, not jffs | 15:12 |
| rm_you | lcuk: in Connection -> Data, set an environment variable like, "PUTTY" to "1" | 15:12 |
| keesj | you might also be able do tweak sshd (depening on what server yoi use) | 15:13 |
| rm_you | and then in your .bash_profile, do something like: if [ $PUTTY ] then cd some/directory/; fi | 15:13 |
| lcuk | winscp comes up in the right folder, but the ssh session wont - i think rm is right thats its an env variable | 15:13 |
| lcuk | but i dont see how setting putty to 1 would get me into my folder | 15:14 |
| rm_you | heh i was going for the hackish method :P | 15:14 |
| rm_you | see my second message :P | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | holy mother of god, the heavens have opened | 15:14 |
| lcuk | REALLY opened | 15:14 |
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| rm_you | lol, nice, dark and dry here :P | 15:15 |
| lcuk | jesus a river has formed already | 15:15 |
| * lcuk saves his work | 15:15 | |
| lcuk | rm_you, thats a better solution entirely | 15:16 |
| keesj | qwerty12_N800: I mean locking so they don't move around | 15:16 |
| lcuk | i always want to go into liqbase so ill just set it as global absolute default in the .bash_profile | 15:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | exactly ;) | 15:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | @keesj | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I'll make a better one soon | 15:17 |
| rm_you | lcuk: care.... if you sudo gainroot on the device, it will probably parse your bashrc and send you there <_< | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, leaf is almost completely dry, and I'll use a better camera | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, lol, enjoy | 15:17 |
| lcuk | rm_you, i do that anyway and im always in my dev stuff | 15:17 |
| rm_you | lol ok, your call :P | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | im gonna send it by default into /dev (a symlink to /media/mmc1 | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | And might I just say, that was one hell of a series finale | 15:17 |
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| rm_you | hell yes it was | 15:18 |
| rm_you | damn | 15:18 |
| fnordianslip | GeneralAntilles: what is the clock applet with what looks like a cpu load graph in it (on the garage page) ? | 15:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:20 |
| rm_you | we should just add a note about that | 15:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fnordianslip, osso-statusbar-cpu | 15:20 |
| rm_you | osso-statusbar-cpu | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz updated it for OS2008 a few weeks ago. | 15:20 |
| fnordianslip | ah ok tah | 15:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks for the heads up, i'm using the tschmidt one atm, must change... | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, reload and hover over the small screenshot, rm_you. | 15:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:26 |
| rm_you | ooo and newer screenshots | 15:27 |
| fnordianslip | nice | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol <_< "Your message to Adv-backlight-commits awaits moderator approval" | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody familiar with penguinbait's partitioning .deb? | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to add that to the wiki, as it's really the easiest method for newbies | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I don't have any experience with it. | 15:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yeah it keeps sending me mails saying to approve/deny, but i have no idea what the mailing list admin password is <_< | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably an X-Fade question. | 15:32 |
| keesj | Jaffa: any plans to put mud in extras? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, seems like it may be a bug or, at the very least, something that should be documented in an "introduction to garage" page in the wiki. | 15:34 |
| rm_you | i wonder if they emailed it to me or something and i lost it? >_> | 15:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles really wants to see a nice, up-to-date, "Community tools for developing for Maemo" overview. | 15:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras, Garage, Downloads, etc | 15:35 |
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| keesj | GeneralAntilles: that would be good | 15:37 |
| keesj | I started expanding the extras doc last week http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that one is a nice start. | 15:38 |
| keesj | but what we really need is a document with not to much references to the outside | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a Garage introduction page, but it's old and fairly crufty: https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Maemo_Garage | 15:38 |
| keesj | don't say " read the debian maintainers guide. but giving a few examples to get started | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most definitely. | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Go to the Debian maintainer's guide for details, but provide enough to get them started without overwhelming too many people here. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | A flow-chart would be nice for that Uploading to Extras page. | 15:45 |
| keesj | yes | 15:47 |
| GNUton | Where are libmysqlclient12-dev libsqlite0-dev packages? I´ unable to find them in Diablo.. | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | who is Capt'n Corrupt from itT | 15:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Capt'n Corrupt from itT | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | He doesn't have a presence Freenode | 15:57 |
| lcuk | hes not an ircer | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | shame | 15:57 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Hi there | 16:02 |
| dneary | I don't get it... | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get what? | 16:03 |
| dneary | I don't understand why someone would consider it better to have a long page with 2/3rds of the information out of date, which will only scare people away | 16:03 |
| dneary | "out of date" = "only useful for users of 770s" | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some of it's probably a gut-level negative reaction from the way Nokia handled the 770 -> N800 transition. | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I do see their point | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | but things quickly become overwhelming an un-useful when you have too much info. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stringing "OK, now if you have a 770 do this, if you have an N800 or N810 then do this, blah blah blah" through out a wiki page just results in confusion. | 16:05 |
| lcuk | the older 770 information is not going anywhere: its in the older wiki? surely keeping it archived in the original 770 specific context is better than muddying the waters | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's my thinking. | 16:07 |
| lcuk | keep the new wiki clean, if required put something at the foot of ALL pages pointing back to original wiki for older devices | 16:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking things will get better as the platform matures, too. | 16:08 |
| lcuk | putting myself in their shoes in a few years time, n810 will be "old" and "legacy" i dont want to wade through tonnes of n1000 crap and would expect all this information about os2008 to still be available in this wiki | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a good example of how another wiki handles it? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zaurus, maybe? | 16:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo 5, you mean, lcuk? :P | 16:14 |
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| johnx | the zaurus isn't a great example really | 16:15 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yes, but you see what i mean | 16:16 |
| lcuk | it serves no purpose for me as an os2008 user to have to read up about what i cannot have | 16:16 |
| lcuk | the original documentation site still exists. it still contains correct and valid information | 16:16 |
| lbt | I think this suggest how it would be nice not to differentiate against new devices unless necessary | 16:17 |
| lcuk | it was written by people with access to the devices on a regular basis and those documented it knew its quirks. if we start fucking with it now we will mess it up | 16:17 |
| lbt | eg physical hw differences | 16:17 |
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| * lardman dislikes shopping | 16:18 | |
| johnx | I know the feeling O_o | 16:18 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:18 |
| johnx | except when shopping for new tech :D | 16:18 |
| lcuk | feeling the card burning | 16:18 |
| johnx | yeah, how it gets a little warm and feels slightly heavier? | 16:19 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know, i dont get to hold it | 16:19 |
| johnx | heh | 16:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, have you seen the discussion in itt suggesting a port of sdl to yuv ;) | 16:20 |
| lardman | I never understood why it hadn't already been done to be honest | 16:20 |
| lardman | but well done for pushing them :) | 16:21 |
| lcuk | time and effort, noone knew if it could be feasible | 16:21 |
| johnx | I think our situation is somewhat unique | 16:21 |
| lardman | still need to do the conversion, but ssvb's code is nearly as quick as a memcpy iirc | 16:21 |
| lbt | gotta go - busy weekend - back later... In the meantime can I ask a question... does maemo.org only support current Nokia devices? If not then how does it intend to support end-of-life'd devices (like 770) ??? | 16:21 |
| lcuk | i think if my work is helping inspire debate then its a good thing | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, er, no, what gives you that impression? | 16:22 |
| lcuk | lardman, yer its quite a logical function and if it can be packed into asm it wont be sluggish | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The FOCUS isn't eol devices, but there's plenty of 770-specific information on there. | 16:22 |
| lardman | it is asm isn't it, at least the part from mplayer was iirc | 16:22 |
| lcuk | ive seen some floating around, but a couple of months ago kotzcarny did something which opened my eyes a little and made me pleased i used an os level library (xv) rather than the omapfb | 16:23 |
| lcuk | he compiled it and i talked him round the bugs and we got it compiling and running (at least to some level) directly on his x86 laptop | 16:24 |
| lcuk | it was in the runup to linuxtag so my priority was a bit shifted, but its certainly something that i will be moving closer to the front of my mind | 16:25 |
| lcuk | i want linked software running on both 810 and desktop and have sketches streaming onto big screen for management and grouping and back again onto touch for other stuff | 16:25 |
| lcuk | whether i can get it by the summit im not sure, but its certainly one direction im looking towards | 16:26 |
| lardman | sounds cool | 16:26 |
| lcuk | yer :) | 16:26 |
| * lcuk is so pleased he got his 810 | 16:27 | |
| lcuk | sorry for the sidetrack there ;) it was prompted when you mentioned about arm asm and specific device targetting) | 16:28 |
| * lardman is dreaming of barcodes | 16:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:30 |
| lardman | hmm 47s now, getting better... | 16:32 |
| lcuk | i hope you arent gonna destroy the universe when you get it down to -1 seconds | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I think it's one of those issues where a few people that feel really strongly about it tend to swarm out of the woodwork to shout loudly, while the majority of people agree with you, but aren't bothered enough to speak up. ;) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, feel free to quote this discussion here. its logged in google as well for confirmation | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, down to lardman or the supercollider? :P | 16:33 |
| lardman | lcuk: at this rate the big cruch will happen before I get imaginary | 16:33 |
| lcuk | i think lardman *IS* the supercollider ;) | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohshi-- | 16:33 |
| lardman | ~lart poll errors | 16:34 |
| * infobot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on poll errors | 16:34 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, when you are coding do you put test code and comment ponderments in for the world to see? | 16:36 |
| lardman | All the comment and test code are in there commented out | 16:36 |
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| johnx | same in the linux kernel too...and less famously any scripts I release that are less than straightforward | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | i culled a load of test files before i gpled everything, but if i update svn all the test stuff will go up with it | 16:37 |
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| johnx | lcuk, you may find this enlightening: http://jann.is/daily/archives/350-Fuck-Linux!.html :) | 16:38 |
| lcuk | johnx, nahhhh, not a problem | 16:38 |
| johnx | what I mean to say is, definitely keep test code and comments. | 16:39 |
| lcuk | im on about discussions with myself about what i am trying to code | 16:39 |
| lcuk | or pseudocode functions | 16:39 |
| lardman | If you don't see why, please stay the fuck away from my code.... :) | 16:39 |
| johnx | leave it all, especially if you think it might give someone a clue why you did something or even give them a clue on a way to do it better | 16:40 |
| lcuk | well, they are often my diary notes which i expand on as i roll around | 16:41 |
| lcuk | ahhhh well, ive never had my code under scrutiny like this before | 16:41 |
| lardman | just leave the, and add plenty of curses | 16:41 |
| lardman | s/the/them | 16:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, don't think of it that way. you really do worry too much. | 16:42 |
| lardman | oo, down to 45s! | 16:42 |
| lardman | hmm | 16:42 |
| johnx | lardman, what's down to 45s? barcode reading? | 16:42 |
| lcuk | time before his male menapause hits :P | 16:43 |
| lardman | no, shared memory sbc encoder | 16:43 |
| lardman | :p | 16:43 |
| johnx | oooh :D | 16:43 |
| johnx | just got back from using a2dp for a good chunk of the day...barely made it home before my battery went flat | 16:44 |
| lcuk | oh shit! | 16:44 |
| lcuk | how do i undo a symlink | 16:44 |
| johnx | just rm the symlink | 16:44 |
| lcuk | ln -s /media/mmc1/ /dev | 16:44 |
| Grackle_ | erm | 16:45 |
| lardman | it shouldn't have allowed that | 16:45 |
| Grackle_ | Yeah... | 16:45 |
| lcuk | it didnt warn me though | 16:45 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# ln -s /media/mmc1/ /dev | 16:45 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# cd /dev | 16:45 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-50-2:/dev# ls | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i would have expected a wtf | 16:45 |
| Grackle_ | Isn't dev populated on boot? | 16:45 |
| Grackle_ | Maybe you can just delete it and reboot. | 16:46 |
| lcuk | yer, how do i ummm check its ok? | 16:46 |
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| johnx | lcuk, don't do anything for a second | 16:46 |
| Grackle_ | I would back up stuff right now if you can. :P | 16:46 |
| lcuk | i wasnt going to | 16:46 |
| lcuk | its ok, this might be the push to diablo :) | 16:46 |
| johnx | ls -l / | grep dev | 16:46 |
| johnx | if you can still use a console you can probably recover | 16:46 |
| johnx | don't reboot | 16:46 |
| lcuk | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 3640 Jul 6 14:42 dev | 16:47 |
| johnx | don't close the shell you have open | 16:47 |
| johnx | don't drop from root | 16:47 |
| lcuk | i aint goin nowhere | 16:47 |
| johnx | ls /dev/ | 16:47 |
| * lcuk hates the console | 16:47 | |
| johnx | is it the contents of /media/mmc1 or is it full of devices? | 16:47 |
| lcuk | device list - im thinking its false alarm | 16:47 |
| johnx | right | 16:48 |
| johnx | now do this: | 16:48 |
| johnx | ls /dev/mmc1 | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | normal expected devel files | 16:48 |
| johnx | :D | 16:48 |
| * lcuk wipes the sweat from his brow | 16:48 | |
| johnx | one last command: | 16:48 |
| johnx | ls -l /dev/ | grep mmc1 | 16:48 |
| lcuk | ~lart shell | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jul 6 14:42 mmc1 -> /media/mmc1/ | 16:49 |
| johnx | rm /dev/mmc1 | 16:49 |
| lcuk | hang on, my code is on there | 16:49 |
| johnx | it's a symlink | 16:49 |
| johnx | but if you want, back up your code first | 16:49 |
| johnx | anyways, the situation is static | 16:50 |
| lcuk | copying off | 16:50 |
| lardman | this is the problem of running a terminal as root | 16:50 |
| fnordianslip | lol. reminds me of when i accidently removed everything on my NSLU2 with aptitude. it did remove almost everything but barfed when trying to uninstall the running kernel. aptitude was nice enough to reinstall everything and a normal reboot followed. | 16:50 |
| johnx | also, ln -s won't replace an existing file with a symlink, ln -sf will | 16:51 |
| johnx | the f is for force | 16:51 |
| lardman | hmm, assuming busybox does as it should.... | 16:51 |
| lcuk | ok :) thats reasonable, "you asked me to set it, oh it already is ok then" | 16:51 |
| johnx | yeah, that was my first thought lardman | 16:51 |
| johnx | I am curious though, what you were trying to do :) | 16:52 |
| lcuk | putty always drops me in at / i always have to cd /media/mmc1/liqbase | 16:53 |
| lcuk | i was just trying to save a little typing :'( | 16:53 |
| johnx | you might just want to figure out why putty drops you at / | 16:53 |
| johnx | also, have you been logging in and editing your code as root? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | :$ yes | 16:54 |
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| johnx | meh, it's your machine | 16:54 |
| lardman | indeed.... | 16:54 |
| johnx | I would suggest you don't | 16:54 |
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| johnx | if you were another admin on a production server editing your shell scripts as root, I'd tell you off, though :) | 16:55 |
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| zetheroo | when I am on my N800 I can browse the network folders but I cannot see any of the files within the folders | 16:57 |
| zetheroo | please help | 16:57 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: (slow reply - sorry) I don't have that impression - I just wanted to double check. Dave N kinda gives the impression that the 770 is a second class citizen (I _know_ he doesn't speak for all) and I wondered if there is/was/should be some clear statement about the devices that maemo.org supports. I suggest raising it as a scoping issue for future debates. Saying "the focus is on non-eol devices" is, to my mind, not very | 16:58 |
| lbt | different at all to "eol devices like the 770 are second class citizens". | 16:58 |
| lbt | this isn't supposed to be a rant | 16:59 |
| lbt | more a request for clarity about device support (which, I agree, then leads on to some knotty problems) | 16:59 |
| johnx | well, the problem is that writing on the wiki comes from people who own devices | 17:00 |
| lbt | eg - does the new extras process support the 770? why not? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | it should support those devices with os2008he.. | 17:00 |
| lbt | johnx: I agree - but the community should be clear about helping manage multiple generation info or descoping it | 17:00 |
| lardman | Interesting, on the DSP I have to loop ~700 times waiting for the ARM to free the buffers, on the ARM the buffers are always free | 17:01 |
| lardman | perhaps that's why the code takes ~45s to run now | 17:01 |
| lbt | and, at the end of the day, if maemo.org only has the resource to support current devices then what? | 17:01 |
| lcuk | but that is operating system rather than hardware device - windows 3.1 software is not listed as primary on microsofts site because its use is fading, but there are 3.1 specific sites out there where you can still obtain the infroamtion | 17:01 |
| zetheroo | does anyone have any insight for my problem? :) | 17:01 |
| lbt | maybe there should be a clearer archive/hand-off/integration steop to maemo-legacy.org :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | lbt, the old wiki with 770 information exists? | 17:02 |
| lardman | zetheroo: browse with what? | 17:02 |
| lbt | this isn't about the wiki | 17:02 |
| lbt | it's about the maemo.org community defenition which has been discussed over the last few weeks | 17:02 |
| lbt | the wiki is an outcome | 17:02 |
| zetheroo | I was using the File Manager to browse the shared folders on the network | 17:02 |
| lbt | the wiki structure isn't great for the 770 | 17:02 |
| lbt | if maemo.org supports the 770 then it's a bug | 17:02 |
| lbt | if it doesn't then it's not : | 17:03 |
| zetheroo | but when I select a folder it is "empty" .... | 17:03 |
| lbt | :) | 17:03 |
| zetheroo | but it should have heaps of media in it | 17:03 |
| lardman | permissions problem? I don't know | 17:03 |
| johnx | zetheroo, could it be a permissions thing? is guest allowed to see those files? | 17:03 |
| lcuk | zetheroo, shares should be passwordless | 17:03 |
| lbt | like I said in my email - I don't have a 770 - but I guess the N800 will eol at some point - and then what? | 17:03 |
| zetheroo | all those folders are shared from Ubuntu machines and they are all open shares | 17:04 |
| zetheroo | no passwords | 17:04 |
| lcuk | then we will have the documentation written today by people with these devices and who know its quirks. | 17:04 |
| lbt | but we leave it to stagnate? eg as far as extras goes? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | just like the 770 has it, we dont know the first thing about a 770 and it would be easy for one of us to misquote when copying data over | 17:04 |
| lcuk | i thought 770 users could access extras just fine with he on? | 17:05 |
| zetheroo | thing is that I can access media from one computer | 17:05 |
| mac6cast | hello room, sorry for my stupid question , i got a nokia 6680 can i use maemo with it ? | 17:05 |
| zetheroo | but not from the one I am on right here and now | 17:05 |
| lbt | does 770 run 2008? | 17:05 |
| lbt | I thought not | 17:05 |
| lcuk | lbt, i believe there is a hacker edition | 17:06 |
| Atarii | extras works wiv 2008he | 17:06 |
| lbt | and I thought the extras build process doesn't target 2006 | 17:06 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16901 | 17:06 |
| lbt | OK - but it's *still* not the point - what is the maemo.org postition ? :) | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 runs OS2008HE | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which'll do fine with just about anything in Extras. | 17:07 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: OK, that's fine | 17:07 |
| lbt | so why should 770 info be hidden on the wiki? | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not hidden | 17:08 |
| lbt | sorry | 17:08 |
| johnx | mac6cast, I'm afraid not. | 17:08 |
| lcuk | i *would* like to see a few dedicated 770 users be allowed back into the *old* documentation area to clear out the crap from 2008 that infected it leaving pristine good quality n770 specific documentation, but i think the effort required would not be forthcoming | 17:08 |
| lbt | DaveN is suggesting things like that | 17:08 |
| mac6cast | thanks johnx :-( | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | At a certain point, legacy support starts dragging things down (look at Microsoft for a general example). | 17:08 |
| lbt | and lcuk - fine - if 770 owners don't care then tough!! | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idea is to keep the information on the wiki as clean, clear and easy-to-access as possible. | 17:09 |
| lcuk | yes, but thats my point, the old area is still there | 17:09 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: agreed - hence the need for clarification | 17:09 |
| lcuk | right now, maemo supports it | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, part of the problem is that "maemo.org" isn't really one thing with a clear direction. ;) | 17:09 |
| lcuk | the argument here is whether it should be moved into the hot new stuff wiki | 17:09 |
| lbt | if a device is 'supported' then DaveN's suggestion should get short shrift | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lot of people with a lot of different ideas. | 17:09 |
| lbt | :D | 17:09 |
| lbt | yep | 17:09 |
| lbt | and I think making some high level statements like this | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which makes deciding "OK, this is what maemo.org is about" a difficult task. | 17:10 |
| lbt | would help to guide a constistent direction | 17:10 |
| lbt | and device support is wide-ranging but easy to grasp | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, I don't think legacy device support should be a priority if it gets in the way of current device support. | 17:10 |
| johnx | I don't think there's going to be a hard and fast "consistent direction" on the 770... | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, with the wiki, that old 770 stuff DEFINITELY gets in the way. | 17:10 |
| johnx | Users who write documentation for the n8x0 probably won't write much about the 770, but nothing stops 770 users from stepping forward | 17:11 |
| lbt | so m.org supports N810, N800 but N770 non-partiticipation has lead to it being deprecated | 17:11 |
| lbt | is fine too | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as an "N770". | 17:11 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, :P | 17:11 |
| lardman | :) | 17:11 |
| pupnik | is a gcc 4.x based distro in the works? | 17:11 |
| pupnik | something i forgot to ask at linuxtag | 17:11 |
| lbt | s/N770/770/ | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really, though, I think this is going to be much less of an issue moving forward. | 17:12 |
| johnx | 770 support can be defined much more easily on smaller issues though | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 is a bit of a special case. | 17:12 |
| johnx | if you care about getting autobuilder running for OS2006, then talk to someone about it and see what the hold up is | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | As the platform matures and stabilizes, and the hardware gets past a certain baseline, there'll be fewer major shakeups between revisions. | 17:13 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: and that's a fair statement too - the intention is there | 17:13 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.org/49010 what does this say to you regarding the polling loop sleep length on the ARM? | 17:14 |
| lbt | OK - got to go again - sorry for dropping in and out... | 17:14 |
| lbt | cheers :) | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | For something like an OS2006 autobuilder, though, that's really a matter of somebody getting behind the effort. | 17:16 |
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| johnx | write, though hopefully the scripts are largely distro neutral otherwise we'll suffer growing pains going forwards | 17:17 |
| johnx | s/write/right | 17:17 |
| GAN800 | extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org | 17:18 |
| GAN800 | johnx, since you compiled Modest, think you could have a go at the MicroB svn? :P | 17:19 |
| lcuk | johnx, :) ive done the final delete and ive rebooted and all is fine. thanks and ill look to changing stance | 17:19 |
| lcuk | thank you | 17:19 |
| johnx | lcuk, sure, glad to help. | 17:20 |
| johnx | GAN800, I'll take a swing at it later | 17:20 |
| * GAN800 is tired of waiting on Navi and qwerty12. . . . | 17:20 | |
| johnx | I just did an ubuntu install to see if I like it again now that I figured out what piece of hardware was giving me problems with it earlier | 17:21 |
| johnx | GAN800, great then. now you can wait on me instead | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The more the merrier. :D | 17:21 |
| johnx | did they say it didn't build cleanly? or what was up with it? | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi was just damn lazy, and I think qwerty12 had trouble applying patches. | 17:22 |
| johnx | if qwerty had trouble with patches I don't know what I'll be able to do O_o | 17:22 |
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| pupnik | lardman: it tells me... nothing! | 17:33 |
| lardman | :) | 17:33 |
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| rm_you | johnx: johnx! :P | 17:39 |
| johnx | rm_you, hey | 17:39 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 17:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199876&postcount=135 | 17:40 |
| lardman | hmm, that's interesting, I can play via mplayer with the SW decoder fallback, but not with the DSP task. The fallback takes ~22s while the DSP takes ~18 to decode a test file... | 17:40 |
| rm_you | lol GA >_> | 17:41 |
| rm_you | and yet, unlol | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what functionality he's missing? | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The links to the control panels? <_< | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really don't want to have install dialog like fiferboy uses, but it looks like enough people don't get it that it might be necessary. | 17:42 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 17:42 |
| rm_you | i thought about adding that several times :( | 17:42 |
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| johnx | wow...that's awesome. I finally buy a 4GB SDHC and it come factory direct improperly partitioned | 17:43 |
| inz | rm, They're quite trivial to add | 17:43 |
| zap | Maemo ignores the "Terminal=true" option in .desktop files? | 17:43 |
| zap | or it's just me doing something wrong | 17:43 |
| Grackle_ | johnx, huh? Improperly partitioned for what? | 17:45 |
| johnx | eh, 1039 "cylinders", partition ends on cylinder 1040 | 17:45 |
| Grackle_ | hah, oh, I see. | 17:45 |
| johnx | fixed it, formatting and I'll see if it works | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz, sure, but they're also ugly as all get out. ;) | 17:46 |
| rm_you | johnx: what did that end up costing you? | 17:47 |
| johnx | 2500Y | 17:47 |
| rm_you | where'd you get it? | 17:47 |
| johnx | rm_you, Hard-Off | 17:47 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:48 |
| johnx | it's an "All-Ways" brand card | 17:48 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:48 |
| rm_you | I only remember them having REALLY crappy hardware, lol | 17:48 |
| rm_you | surprised they carry something up to 4g | 17:48 |
| johnx | they had 8GB too, but no 16 or 32 | 17:49 |
| johnx | and it's super cheap looking | 17:49 |
| rm_you | how super-cheap can amn SD card look? O_o | 17:49 |
| johnx | I'll pick up another couple, maybe another 4GB and an 8GB next time I get to Akiba | 17:49 |
| johnx | mainly the crappy logo on the sticker | 17:49 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 17:49 |
| johnx | but it works in my n800 and zaurus, so I'm happy | 17:50 |
| rm_you | throw another 4g in your Z and the 8g in the other slot on your n800? | 17:50 |
| johnx | that's the general idea | 17:50 |
| rm_you | fun times | 17:50 |
| johnx | and be able to keep projects installed on the 1GB and 2GB | 17:51 |
| rm_you | is SDHC a driver thing or is there actually a hardware component? | 17:51 |
| johnx | I'm a little fuzzy on that myself | 17:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SDHC is firmware issue. | 17:51 |
| rm_you | so | 17:51 |
| johnx | My current uninformed thoughts is that it's a little of both | 17:52 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, define "firmware" | 17:52 |
| johnx | kernel code or something lower level? | 17:52 |
| rm_you | with the right firmware update, you could get an older machine with an SD card to support SDHC? | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, depends on the device | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | For, say, the N800, it's a software issue | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | for, say, a card reader, it's a firmware issue | 17:52 |
| rm_you | what about eeePC? | 17:52 |
| johnx | rm_you, AFAIK, the zaurus was pre-sdhc but it just needed an updated driver | 17:52 |
| rm_you | the built-in doesnt support sdhc | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't any hardware difference that I'm aware of, though. | 17:52 |
| johnx | rm_you, are you kidding?! | 17:53 |
| rm_you | wouldn't read my 16g card, only my 4g >_> | 17:53 |
| johnx | I think it depends on the level at which the kernel code intereacts with the card reader | 17:53 |
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| Kegetys | are there any faster sdhc cards than class 6? | 17:53 |
| johnx | also, you have en eee pc now? | 17:54 |
| rm_you | no, a friend | 17:54 |
| johnx | Kegetys, not that I know of | 17:54 |
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| Kegetys | I know the specs only define up to class 6 but I wonder if there are ones that are class 6 but actually can do much faster or something... | 17:54 |
| johnx | eeePC supports SDHC AFAIK | 17:54 |
| rm_you | hrm | 17:55 |
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| rm_you | it didn't seem to | 17:58 |
| johnx | It probably has issues with some cards | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way it doesn't. | 17:58 |
| johnx | just like almost every SD using device I've ever seen | 17:59 |
| lardman | hmm, how can I do a binary diff and look at the differences? | 18:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: that's what i thought <_< | 18:01 |
| Psykosis | Okay - perhaps a silly question/confirmation - still fighting to make this deb. I need a config file in home. It is installing it, however it is root owned. Is the way around it doing a post-install script to chown/chgrp it, or am I doing something else wrong? | 18:01 |
| rm_you | Psykosis: erp... dunno if you can do that without postinst <_< | 18:02 |
| Psykosis | Does the post install run as root? | 18:02 |
| rm_you | dpkg isn't designed to install to user directories | 18:02 |
| rm_you | yes | 18:02 |
| Psykosis | Okay - I bet that would work then... | 18:02 |
| rm_you | yeah | 18:02 |
| lardman | does diff work on binaries? | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | I think you use xdelta for binaries, but I'm not sure on patching anyways | 18:04 |
| rm_you | lardman: i tried it once, not-so-much :/ | 18:04 |
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| johnx | rm_you, as a point of interest, I got a2dp working, and I don't know how | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | >.< | 18:07 |
| lardman | hmm, will have to write a c program to tell me if the files are different | 18:07 |
| johnx | well, diff will tell you if they're different, but not how | 18:08 |
| * lcuk has tired fingers | 18:08 | |
| johnx | "binary files differ" | 18:08 |
| Psykosis | Hmm.. that didn't work. :( | 18:08 |
| johnx | what did it say? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, get something which will export your binary file as a hex+dec screen. | 18:09 |
| lcuk | then show the diffs on that | 18:09 |
| kkrust1 | I used to convert binaries into SREC format and then look at their differences. | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Need an opinon, does this look like the N810 schematics: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3400/snap1nu9.jpg . It looks different to the N800 one I have. | 18:10 |
| lcuk | kkrust1, SREC? source listing, ie char arrays? | 18:10 |
| rm_you | johnx: as a point of interest, that seems to be the way of it, and i haven't been able to break it again besides installing a horribly broken and semi-patched debian sid version of bluez-utils i tried compiling myself.... | 18:10 |
| lardman | kkrust1: what can I use to do that? | 18:10 |
| johnx | rm_you, update to mplayer 28 :) that'll break it | 18:10 |
| rm_you | lol will it? :P | 18:10 |
| rm_you | lcuk: md5sum will tell you if they're different :P | 18:10 |
| johnx | rm_you, I think it had something to do with re-pairing after I made the change and rebooted | 18:11 |
| lcuk | rm_you, but not whats different | 18:11 |
| kkrust1 | lardman: let me try to look up a GNU application that can do that | 18:11 |
| johnx | I think it might remember the supported services at the time of first pairing or something? | 18:11 |
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| rm_you | maybe? >_> | 18:11 |
| rm_you | yeah, possibly re-pair, re-boot | 18:11 |
| kkrust1 | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-record | 18:12 |
| lcuk | kkrust1, i just saw | 18:12 |
| lcuk | but its not readable | 18:12 |
| lcuk | ;) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | I think I'm about to <3: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6100/snap2ov0.jpg | 18:13 |
| kkrust1 | lcuk: I cant imagine how binary diff can be readable. You could probably look at map files emitted by the linker | 18:13 |
| rm_you | lardman: do you need to know HOW they're different, or just that they ARE? | 18:14 |
| kkrust1 | lardman: have you tried objcopy? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | kkrusty, binary diff would still show you the strings in the file that are different | 18:14 |
| lcuk | get a program which will export this: http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/CDE/_HEXEDIT.GIF | 18:14 |
| rm_you | "od" will do that | 18:14 |
| lcuk | then doing the diff will show you the ascii portion | 18:14 |
| rm_you | or "xxd" | 18:14 |
| lcuk | thanks rm | 18:15 |
| rm_you | I would go for xxd, haven't seen od recently since like fedora 4 | 18:15 |
| rm_you | err, maybe fedora 2 | 18:15 |
| johnx | if you're interested in ASCII strings you should look at "strings" | 18:15 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol, remember having to do "strings `which glxgears`" to find out how to show fps in ubuntu? >_> | 18:16 |
| rm_you | so stupid | 18:16 |
| johnx | heh | 18:16 |
| lcuk | johnx, lardman wants to see a diff of a binary, the hex might be important, the best way is to export it into something textual that diff can understand and also showing clearly whats changed | 18:16 |
| rm_you | hrm, so my senior software project went live recently apparently | 18:16 |
| johnx | awesome rm_you :D | 18:17 |
| lcuk | people throughout america now have no running water or lights | 18:17 |
| lardman | just that they are different, what doesn't matter | 18:17 |
| lardman | sorry for the tardy response, am tidying :( | 18:17 |
| rm_you | built from the ground up by my team: http://www.texaswineandwineryguide.com/ :) | 18:18 |
| rm_you | lardman: lol, compare md5sums | 18:18 |
| lcuk | shopping and tidyign in one day, my god simon you are smitten :) | 18:18 |
| rm_you | sorry for the annoyingly long name, our client was... kinda.... well, he doesnt understand the internet. | 18:18 |
| johnx | lardman, diff will work | 18:18 |
| lcuk | rm_you, this site is crap, i cant find the .install file anywhere | 18:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install wine | 18:19 |
| rm_you | awwww they got rid of the reflection script <_< | 18:19 |
| lardman | rm_you: ah yes, of course | 18:20 |
| rm_you | probably decided the license was bad | 18:20 |
| lardman | johnx: ok, cool | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, anyone with an N810 needing repair, hit me up, I've got the Nokia N810 service manuals | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything interesting? | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno, haven't looked through the 188 pages yet :). There's a lot of hardware pics though. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Fanoush was asking for the N810 schematics, I'll drop him a line. | 18:27 |
| johnx | just as a note, don't send that to him unless he agrees | 18:28 |
| Italodance | hi guys :D | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, yeah :) | 18:29 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I don't know about the legal implications behind that guide, but better safe than sorry | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I don't want to get him f***ed up, just saw one of his posts asking if the N810 schematics were available | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, I think this seriously might be the worst Logitech mouse I've ever owned. . . . | 18:30 |
| johnx | yeah, this is somewhere between available and not available... | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Man, I got to get my ass down to Staffordshire and meet with someone I know there who works in phone servicing. Nokia have a *lot* of equipment to test the N8*0. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | First the thumb wheel started making crunching noises, then freespin stopped working and now the rubberized coating on the body shell is pealing off. | 18:31 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, cheap MS mice for me. They last waaaay longer than I want them to | 18:31 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it sounds like a problem with acid sweat than the mouse | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The mouse is like a month old, too. | 18:32 |
| rm_you | hrm, sleep for me. i shall return! | 18:32 |
| lcuk | gnite rm | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | night rm_you | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess I'll be calling Logitech on Monday. :\ | 18:32 |
| lcuk | back later | 18:33 |
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| johnx | 'night rm_you | 18:36 |
| Italodance | umm guys can i use linux deb run file for my n800? | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | ? | 18:36 |
| Italodance | infact use only that file for run | 18:36 |
| Italodance | and put my pc games on a dir for run! | 18:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . | 18:37 |
| kkrust1 | Italodance: run what and where? | 18:38 |
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| Italodance | kkrust1 example i want to install a linux deb game file and also add the data to my n800 too | 18:39 |
| Italodance | can it work? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | You mean having the game data inside the deb file? | 18:40 |
| kkrust1 | is that deb made for the n8*0? | 18:40 |
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| Italodance | no | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyways, from what I can tell, I don't use phoenix in the N800's flash mode, I'll have to connect it up a nokia "box" (as they are called). | 18:43 |
| kkrusty | you mean no to it being made for the n800? | 18:43 |
| Psykosis | Can someone (preferably whom would be interested in Music Sequencing on the Nokia) test out this deb to make sure it functions on a clean NIT? (http://nit.psykosis.net/Milkytracker-0.90.80-1_all.deb) | 18:44 |
| qos | hey guys. is it to expect that all repositorys will get an diablo distribution up and running? i am asking because of telepathy-haze. there are just packages for chinook and i don't wanna damage my new diablo. | 18:44 |
| Psykosis | Clean == not perhaps having residues from my testing. | 18:45 |
| lcuk_ | qos, contact the devlopers themselves and see if they have any plans to upgrade their software | 18:45 |
| lardman | big lightning | 18:46 |
| lardman | back in a bit | 18:46 |
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| lcuk_ | on the whole chinook stuff works and even testing it for them and dropping a line to say "hey, this works in diablo, perhaps you should include it" would be a good thing | 18:46 |
| lcuk_ | we had a similar storm earlier | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | It's dark as hell down here in London, no storm/lightning though. | 18:47 |
| zap | Any Midnight Commander fans out there? I need some beta testers | 18:47 |
| qos | lcuk_, storm? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking Chinook stuff will work fine in Diablo. | 18:48 |
| lcuk_ | yes, a shedload of rain a big black cloud and lots of thunder. typical definition of a storm | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The desired goal is for 3rd party repositories to mostly be shut down. ;) | 18:49 |
| qos | lcuk_, very kind. thanks | 18:49 |
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| Italodance | WOWWW | 18:52 |
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| Grackle_ | GeneralAntilles, that sounds like a reasonable goal, given the changes that are being made to the development process. | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Psykosis, wow, that's quite a screenie. | 18:59 |
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| Psykosis | :) | 19:01 |
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| kkrusty | Is there any better irc client than pidgin for maemo? | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | xchat | 19:02 |
| johnx | kkrusty, xchat | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | it's in diablo extras now | 19:02 |
| kkrusty | cool | 19:02 |
| Atarii | anyone got the default chat program working with irc? | 19:03 |
| Atarii | through rtcomm beta | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | I've had it working with standard settings but to be honest, the effort isn't worth it. | 19:03 |
| Atarii | on 2008HE it lets me join a room, but then i cant see any chat or send any | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I could see and send chat in #maemo with rtcomm beta. | 19:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you want to comment on this one? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405 | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | I'll try, I installed my copy from an old copy of the tableteer repo :/ | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess the questions are, is it definitely in the Diablo Tools repo, and is it in User/? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, It's in the diablo sdk repo, give me a sec. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess, really, his issue is that it's no longer in user/ | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, personally, I don't think that belongs in user/ | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | With the Diablo SDK repo, they made things a little more funky. it took me a while to figure out a working sources.list line for it :/ | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | True | 19:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I dunno if I buy his line that it showed up under Chinook, though. According to http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ it's "Section: admin" | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I hate his bugs. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | This one is most probably INVALID, too. . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2999 | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd agree. It will list packages to restore that were installed by a local deb file using the application manager, but naturally the tablet won't know where that deb file came from if it isn't in a repo. | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | This needs to be split up or something. . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2900 | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | That's his fault. He wants to install a chinook package, but the package has been updated in diablo. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | #2900 is way before Diablo | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was filed in February. | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, my bad. | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's a pretty terrible bug. | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | #2999 needs a new summary, needs to be moved to Application manager, and needs to be an enhancement. | 19:20 |
| kkrusty | the web browser is not getting out of its "Updating" phase. Is that expected? | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | Diablo? | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Updating is loading the engine | 19:21 |
| kkrusty | yes. Diablo | 19:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've seen browserd go weird after a crash once or twice. | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | killall browserd may fix it | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | or just reboot | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Open up root x-term and type /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | or that ^ | 19:21 |
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| kkrusty | that worked. Thanks | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | np | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart windows installer for not clearing up it's crap | 19:24 |
| * infobot beats windows installer to within 2.54cm of his life for not clearing up it's crap | 19:24 | |
| qwerty12 | infobot, next time kill windows installer | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~kill windows installer | 19:24 |
| * infobot shoots a inverse electron gun at windows installer | 19:24 | |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, even better, ta | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | I'm now removing all traces of nokia and deskey by hand >.< | 19:25 |
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| lardman | re | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 19:26 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 19:27 |
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| lcuk_ | hahaha omg :D | 19:33 |
| Kegetys | hmm, is there any app or other way to have some kind of "power profiles", ie. different screen turn off time and lock behaviour depending on various parameters? | 19:33 |
| lcuk_ | os.popen("/home/user/liqbase/liqbase " + snesg) | 19:33 |
| lcuk_ | does that work? | 19:33 |
| * lcuk_ is surprised at the inginuity of the oss crowd ;) | 19:33 | |
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| johnx | Kegetys, look at acmonitor | 19:34 |
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| johnx | at very least that will get you different power profiles for AC and battery | 19:35 |
| johnx | to do more than that you can use dbus-scripts to listen for events and act on them | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody recall a bug for clearer Application manager errors? | 19:35 |
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| Kegetys | I'd like to have the screen stay on longer if the keyboard is out, and also if I'm connected to the home wlan (I'm close to a charger if that is the case) | 19:36 |
| qos | does somebody know if the maemo pidgin version is also affected by the "your version is too old bug"? | 19:36 |
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| johnx | Kegetys, maybe acmonitor could be modified to do that | 19:37 |
| johnx | or you could look at what it does, and re-create the same setup using dbus-scripts | 19:37 |
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| Kegetys | I'll look at it, thanks | 19:37 |
| johnx | I don't think there is a "ready to go" solution though... | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Kegetys, I'd look at making a daemon on python or the like, there is already slidelock. That one could be very easily modified to meet the first condition. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, didn't you file a bug about Application manager's "operation already in progress"? | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, only bug I filed was a garage bug. | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody filed a bug about that. . . . | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't find it, though. :\ | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman bug | 19:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3064 | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | I used to keep tapping the update repo icon to see if it wasn't busy but that's a fail in diablo because I need to be in red pill and they removed the confirmation screen asking you if you wanted to update :/ | 19:42 |
| lardman | ah, that little beauty | 19:42 |
| lardman | I was told it had been fixed though | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, by whom? | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and when? | 19:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They should've resolved the bug if it was fixed. <_< | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, have you seen it in Diablo? | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't noticed. | 19:43 |
| lardman | hmm, maybe it was another one then, I thought it was in the bugzilla | 19:44 |
| lardman | ah no, I'm probably thinking of the losing position when the list updates bug | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | I still get no indication when installing debs from the browser in diablo but that's because I have a lot of repos and that equals slowdown :/ | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | It's more of a matter of the appplication manager speed, it should be able to tell if it's been opened by dbus and not cache the available applications and check for updates :/ | 19:44 |
| lardman | vote it up then chaps :) | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Go on then :) | 19:45 |
| lardman | it's my bug, can I vote for it? | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Yes :) | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | (dunno if it's "acceptable" though :)) | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | One these https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=S.G.Pickering%40bath.ac.uk ? | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yes. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I vote on bugs I feel strongly about. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a prioritization method, and it works better if it counts as many heads as possible. | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, btw, did you ever try agps in "debug" mode? I don't think it did anything but I have a N800 anyway :) | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's my feeling, anyway. | 19:47 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: 1622 probably | 19:47 |
| lardman | qwerty12: no, didn't know it could be done... how? | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | There's a gconf flag, when I set it to one though, I didn't notice anything visibly different though. | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12 | (I'd write the key name but I'm gconf-editor less now and I suck at gconftool :)) | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Updated bug #2900 . . . | 19:49 |
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| lardman | Right, ponder this one. I've swapped back (for testing at least) to the bulk transfer method for SBC | 19:49 |
| lardman | the DSP decodes in 18.78+0.08+3.61s, the SW fallback decoder in 23.02+2.63+1.32s | 19:49 |
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| lardman | yet the SW fallback decoder produces far longer output than the DSP task (10-15s vs 4s) | 19:50 |
| lardman | I've produced output file using both, with the same encoder options as Bluez use and they are identical | 19:50 |
| lardman | I'm a bit confused | 19:50 |
| lcuk_ | 23seconds at what cpu speed? | 19:51 |
| lardman | hmm yes that is an issue | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | True say, what op mode are you in? | 19:51 |
| lardman | bbiab to have a think about how to fix that | 19:51 |
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| lcuk_ | k | 19:52 |
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| lcuk_ | big storm here | 19:55 |
| lcuk_ | again | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | We're ok in London :) | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yeah, see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design#Install_steps | 19:56 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: do you have experience with the quilt system? | 20:01 |
| keesj | I think it would match even better then the current svn aproach | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | bbl | 20:08 |
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| Italodance | finally maeo.org/downloads is working on my country now :D | 20:10 |
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| Italodance | tomorrow: | 20:17 |
| Italodance | 2008-07-07/07-12 GUADEC 2008(Ciragan Caddesi Besiktas 34353Istanbul, Turkey 41° 2.736 N 29° 1.164 E )2008-03-18T12:56:54Z | 20:17 |
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| hellwolf | How could I disable the splash screen of N800, in order to see the startup messages? | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a johnx question. | 20:24 |
| johnx | hellwolf, let me dig up a link | 20:24 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=bootsplash | 20:25 |
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| hellwolf | johnx, thanks, it seems not very easy, the thing that i want to do is to check why I can't boot my machine when a 4G SDHC inserted into the external slot | 20:30 |
| johnx | It seem that fanoush added fb_update to his latest initfs...but not, it's not exactly easy to setup | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, interesting quote: "Our goal is to have the same UI on both Linux and Symbian, and the Qt platform lets us move forward toward that, with its cross platform technology." | 20:35 |
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| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Where is the quote from? | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2179927448.html | 20:43 |
| summatusmentis | Is symban what is on most nokia phones? I had a 6265i, and was not really a fan of that interface | 20:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not particularly in love with any cellphone interface. | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, that ain't symbian | 20:45 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: the iPhone interface is nice, and I'm really liking my Palm Centro | 20:45 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: oh, ok | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, iPhone is OK | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't really support multitasking. | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | No comment on anything Palm. :P | 20:45 |
| Churl | question about the RSS feeder: im having no luck with the auto add feed or a manual entry, the site is craigslist. question being, is the rss thing just like that? picky? | 20:46 |
| summatusmentis | but they fixed it so it's broken multi-tasking, and so you have no control over it! | 20:46 |
| colonthree | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 | 20:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Palm is such a cesspool | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | They haven't even had a theme change in, what, 8 years? | 20:46 |
| lcuk_ | if the software supports saving and restoring its state quickly multi tasking doesnt matter that much | 20:47 |
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| johnx | lcuk_, except when it does | 20:47 |
| johnx | :) | 20:47 |
| JamieBennett | I think Nokia should think about the work being done with the canola interface. It's rich and very finger friendly which is where a lot of today's phones are progressing towards (touch screens) | 20:47 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I agree Palm is not terribly attractive, but I really like the speed, and clean-ness of the interface. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, here's what I frequently do with my N800: IRC, IM, browse the web and watch TV with HAVA. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when the iPhone can manage that. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, thanks, no. | 20:48 |
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| summatusmentis | it does all of the above, save for maybe HAVA | 20:48 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 20:48 |
| lcuk_ | JamieBennett, we are heading there already :) | 20:48 |
| lcuk_ | only betterer (imho) | 20:48 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk_: we are? | 20:48 |
| johnx | JamieBennett, for some tasks, I agree with you, for others it just doesn't fit | 20:48 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk Lets hope so | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, at the same time? | 20:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WITHOUT jailbreaking? :P | 20:48 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I think so... | 20:49 |
| JamieBennett | The iphone interface is a similar interface and would rather see that on an open device than on an apple one | 20:49 |
| summatusmentis | I don't, and won't ever, own an iPhone | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, Appstore hasn't even launched. ;) | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it DEFINITELY doesn't multitask like that. | 20:49 |
| lcuk_ | summatusmentis, liqbase rendering could be tasked towards anything :) | 20:49 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk_: :) | 20:49 |
| summatusmentis | I haven't had a chance to look at that yet, I had an HD fail | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola's style of interface works for some things | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | but not for all. | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like Hildon | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an effective compromise for my purposes. | 20:50 |
| summatusmentis | needs to be a bit more finger friendly | 20:50 |
| summatusmentis | but otherwise I agree | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk_, go on, you know you want to modify hildon-desktop + matchbox-window-manager with liqbase code :p | 20:50 |
| lcuk_ | qwerty12_N800, patience :) | 20:50 |
| lcuk_ | :P | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 20:51 |
| JamieBennett | I'd like to see an approach similar to the eeepc, a simple interface by default than can be made into a more geeky one with a little effort | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, we don't have that? | 20:52 |
| JamieBennett | On Nokia's new QT/hybrid phones I mean | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, cellphones suck | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want my cellphone to make calls and be a modem | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thin, small, clamshell. | 20:52 |
| * johnx looks forward to android | 20:53 | |
| summatusmentis | johnx: I wish OpenMoko would take off | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need clearer direction and real hardware. | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | All I want to do is patch the statusbar to show more icons :/ | 20:53 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, I just don't know if it can get the backing they need | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not well positioned for it. . . . | 20:53 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: They're selling hardware now | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | _real_ hardware | 20:54 |
| zap | anybody knows where I can get zip? | 20:54 |
| johnx | when you're on the devil's playground (cell carriers) you sometimes have to play by their rules | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: what does that mean? | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not hardware that might've been considered mediocre 3 years ago. | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | its 640*480 display | 20:54 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, the lack of 3G or even EDGE hurts... | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: yes, I agree | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | does it have wifi | 20:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, +1 | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | yes, it has wifi | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | and bluetooth | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody like Nokia is in a much better position to push open source. | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | ok +1 openmoko -> Crappy phone for internet is 1 up on No phone for internet | 20:55 |
| johnx | I think google's android approach will work out better on phones than Nokia could manage | 20:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I want to see the Nokia Linux phone, Nokia *knows* about phones. | 20:55 |
| summatusmentis | I'm woried android won't be open enough | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't care about what runs on my cellphone | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the 2-device setup. | 20:55 |
| lcuk_ | GeneralAntilles, what if they did an apple and upgraded the modem in it? | 20:56 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, we'll see when we get there. IIRC, google pledged to release davlik under the apache license when the first phone came out | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenMoko? They'd still need real battery life. | 20:56 |
| summatusmentis | If someone could consolidate the tablet idea with a phone, without losing focus on the initial intent, I'd be all over | 20:56 |
| summatusmentis | over it | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tablets have to be bigger than phones. | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not holding an N800 to the side of my face. | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any smaller and it's worthless as a tablet | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that would look an n-gage aka the taco phone | 20:57 |
| johnx | side talkin! | 20:57 |
| lcuk_ | never said you wanted to GeneralAntilles, the modem would be used for data | 20:57 |
| lcuk_ | could^ | 20:58 |
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| summatusmentis | lcuk_: agreed, I'd be ok with even a phone modem for 'net connectivity | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just not interested in a convergence device. | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and since my cellphone really only does two things, I don't care what it runs. | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: how do you do pim? | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have need of it at the moment. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | phone has an addressbook, I suppose. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't have the schedule load to justify a calendar or todo | 20:59 |
| summatusmentis | well, yeah, I use my phone for pim/text/phone/modem, and IT for browsing, etc. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, any information I need is online. | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | So if I need something, just tether up and get it. | 21:00 |
| * lcuk_ gets GeneralAntilles's bank details from online | 21:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I've tried to do PIM in the past | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the result has always been me spending an inordinate amount of time screwing with the PIM | 21:01 |
| wiza | I'm actually waiting for the first android phone from htc | 21:02 |
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| wiza | I think I can manage my gps, emails and im on a little smaller screen | 21:02 |
| johnx | there are couple of location aware apps I would like to be able to do one-handed. The tablet formfactor just doesn't cut it for one-handed use | 21:02 |
| wiza | as long as there is slideout keyboard | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, definitely true. | 21:03 |
| johnx | I would *love* a phone in the zaurus 5500 form factor running android | 21:03 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: oof... that's a bit bulky for me | 21:03 |
| johnx | scale is everything. I'm like 190cm tall | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I dunno, if I had something that used linux, i'd like it to run ELF/ARM EABI (?) bina | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ries too. | 21:05 |
| johnx | just scout out an android phone that's fairly open | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sorry, pressed down in hildon-im while typing. | 21:05 |
| johnx | some will certainly be more hackable than others | 21:05 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: most current embedded linux stuff is ARM EABI | 21:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, okay | 21:06 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, but android only allows apps written in their pseudo-java language | 21:06 |
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| johnx | also, phone running android don't necessarily have to have an ARM CPU | 21:06 |
| johnx | could be MIPS32 or somesuch | 21:06 |
| summatusmentis | meh... Android seems kinda lackluster, and late | 21:07 |
| johnx | compared to what? | 21:07 |
| summatusmentis | I feel like iPhone has too much of a foothold for android to take off | 21:07 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, thing bigger picture :) | 21:07 |
| summatusmentis | in what sense? | 21:08 |
| wiza | anyone tried carman on tablet? | 21:08 |
| johnx | google would be stupid if the end goal wasn't for this to be on basically every "free" carrier-subsidized cell phone | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meh, I'd like to judge by sales out of US :) | 21:08 |
| wiza | thinking about buying obd-II adapter and testing... | 21:08 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: sales in the US are all I know :) | 21:08 |
| johnx | most people (in the US at least) still grab a cheap or almost-free phone rather than shell out for a smart phone | 21:08 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: free touch-based phones? sign me up | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiza, I did a while ago. | 21:09 |
| summatusmentis | but is it feasible? | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's quite cool | 21:09 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, android doesn't need touch | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | the new version should be even better. | 21:09 |
| johnx | cheap phone won't have it | 21:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Does carman work with RC car? | 21:09 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: ok, fair enough | 21:09 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, provided it has an OBDII compliant ECU | 21:09 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, heh...we'll see if my theory is right in a year or two | 21:10 |
| johnx | but the minimum specs for android are pretty low | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It has charger port, think i could rewire it? | 21:10 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: yep :) | 21:10 |
| wiza | I think my volvo s40 t4 -00 has one | 21:10 |
| zap | what software people uses to take N8xx screenshots? | 21:10 |
| zap | the cpu-statusbar plugin doesn't work :) | 21:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiza, all cars post 1996 do. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, x11vnc | 21:11 |
| zap | um | 21:11 |
| zap | something simpler? | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, load-applet. that applet depends on osso-screenshot-tool be installed | 21:11 |
| lcuk_ | zap, what are you taking screenshots of | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-screenshot-tool | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, what qwerty12_N800 said. | 21:12 |
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| wiza | ElmScan5 Wireless is 165 euros... | 21:12 |
| zap | lcuk_: did yet another port of midnight commander :) | 21:12 |
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| lcuk_ | ahhh right | 21:12 |
| zap | hmm, no osso-screenshot-tool in repos | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, any good? current port sucks, i had to set up debian chroot :/ | 21:13 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: mine is perfect :-] | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | great! | 21:13 |
| wiza | GeneralAntilles: does usb connection work or does it have to be bluetooth? | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I never bothered to test with USB | 21:14 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: if you're brave enough http://cs.ozerki.net/zap/maemo/mc.install | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just used the rs-232 ElmScan with a BT adaptor | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, thanks, installing now | 21:14 |
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| wiza | GeneralAntilles: so that package which costs wayy more than normal one only has normal 10 euro bluetooth stick on the package? | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | but a Bluetooth host adaptor isn't going to do you, I don't think. | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt the ElmScan supports host mode | 21:16 |
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| wiza | yeah... figured, well, gotta try and find cheapest used one somewhere | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's definitely a cool tool to have around | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diagnosed a broken oxygen sensor on my dad's Volvo | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be even cooler as a trip logger/GPS device with the new carman | 21:17 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Looking forward to the new version of carman, especially seeing it's code in an open repository again | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks rather incredibly badass. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The trip logger is especially cool. | 21:18 |
| JamieBennett | I drive a lot and don't have a trip computer so Carman with the trip logging would be very cool | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun to play with route distance/consumption/time calculation. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Find the faster/most efficient way to work. | 21:19 |
| wiza | it's only 100 euros in the states | 21:19 |
| wiza | fuk | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No sales tax, woo! | 21:20 |
| wiza | unless I it gets caught in customs which meast 12% customs and 22% vat | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's a gift I tell you! | 21:21 |
| wiza | :D | 21:21 |
| JamieBennett | **JamieBennett needs to find some US friends to send gifts ;) | 21:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 got an uncle in WA, i'll bribe him :p | 21:23 | |
| JamieBennett | :) | 21:23 |
| JamieBennett | can he send me a PS3? | 21:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is it cheaper there? | 21:23 |
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| JamieBennett | Most electronics are | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :(. Adobe's excuse for charging us double is that we have smaller population. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, our evil socialist government isn't quite as good at sucking us dry at every turn as yours. | 21:24 |
| wiza | I live in Finland, everything is cheaper everywhere else | 21:24 |
| wiza | well, almost | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aren't taxes high in Finland? | 21:25 |
| wiza | yep | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch. | 21:25 |
| wiza | basically when you work for that piece of bread, 90% of the work you did went to the government, income tax, value added tax, all those mandatory not-really-taxes, transporting that bread with 1,5 euros/litre gas etc | 21:27 |
| wiza | yeah, government takes your money | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know how you guys put up with it. | 21:28 |
| JamieBennett | wiza: Its 1.5 POUNDS here in the UK for a litre of petrol! | 21:28 |
| johnx | that's actually more than here O_o | 21:29 |
| * dieman wonders | 21:30 | |
| wiza | JamieBennett: yeah, I just almost want to shoot someone whining about $1 per litre gas... | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wiza, you should organise mass tax evasion scheme and tell them to stop their Paska | 21:30 |
| JamieBennett | wiza: indeed | 21:30 |
| dieman | yah, but we get bilked for staying alive here | 21:30 |
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| summatusmentis | holy cow... that's a lot of money | 21:30 |
| wiza | qwerty12_N800: believe me, I pay as less taxes as I can | 21:30 |
| JamieBennett | dieman: and billed for dieing ;) | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wiza, nice one :p | 21:31 |
| doc|home | qwerty12_N800: kinda makes sense, less people buying, same amount of work required :/ | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true, I can't they got a point but it still hurts! :( | 21:32 |
| doc|home | heh | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/can't/can't deny/ | 21:32 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: true, I can't deny they got a point but it still hurts! :( | 21:32 |
| JamieBennett | I see the list for the summit hasn't grown lately, I would of thought there would be a mass surge of registrations in the first couple of days | 21:32 |
| JamieBennett | (of people attending that is) | 21:33 |
| MangoFusion | well it is in september | 21:38 |
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| JamieBennett | MangoFusion: With these things you usually get a sudden rush when its announced, a steady stream and a last minute rush. It doesn't seem like there has been the initial rush yet. Has Nokia announced the numbers they _expect_ to be at the summit? | 21:39 |
| MangoFusion | plus i wouldn't have figured it out if i hadn't just noticed the topic | 21:40 |
| MangoFusion | so perhaps not many of the right people are aware of it yet? | 21:40 |
| JamieBennett | MangoFusion: Maybe more advertising is needed then? | 21:41 |
| JamieBennett | *** Off to blog now | 21:41 |
| MangoFusion | never a bad idea | 21:42 |
| MangoFusion | maybe a little hype is needed too | 21:42 |
| JamieBennett | MangoFusion: Indeed | 21:43 |
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| lcuk_ | qwerty12_N800, you multitask as much as me | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't get you :/ | 21:47 |
| lcuk_ | here and itt | 21:48 |
| keesj | Phones is not my cup of coffe currently | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahh :) | 21:48 |
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| JamieBennett | multitask, I'm scratching my nose whist watching the tele and typing, does that count? ;) | 21:49 |
| keesj | I really enjoyed linuxtag a lot , I guess linuxtag + fosdem is enough for me | 21:49 |
| lcuk_ | keesj, are you coming to the summit | 21:50 |
| keesj | lcuk_: I don't know yet. perhaps I can combine it with a holiday but like I said phones .... | 21:52 |
| keesj | unless maemo is going to do phones. Didn't quim say he was going to amounce something that would amaze us? | 21:53 |
| JamieBennett | keesj: Lets hope so | 21:53 |
| keesj | Or did he already and where not amazed :p | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | PowerVR stuff and Fremantle stuff most likely. | 21:54 |
| JamieBennett | I'm off to OSim and the Maemo Summit and I have little interest in the mobile space (although I do have some interest). The tablets, Linux and of course networking is a big thing. | 21:54 |
| JamieBennett | (people networking) | 21:55 |
| keesj | my gf uses the n810 as remote control for the dreambox | 21:55 |
| keesj | really seeing people makes such a difference. | 21:55 |
| JamieBennett | keesj: Working remotely from my central base at work I can concur wholeheartedly! | 21:56 |
| keesj | are you the same person as on http://www.linuxuk.org/ ? | 21:58 |
| JamieBennett | keesj: Yes | 21:58 |
| keesj | that sports tracker thingy looks cool btw | 21:59 |
| JamieBennett | keesj: Its the thing I use my Nokia n95 for the most! I do more runs than phone calls :) | 22:00 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: no, not really seen quilt. Will look at it; please feel free to post some links on the wiki page or on the mailing list. | 22:01 |
| keesj | now if some guys of InDT would come over I would certainly go to the maemo conf | 22:02 |
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| lardman | hmm,can I manually set the CPU frequency to 330MHz? | 22:03 |
| keesj | like aloisiojr :P | 22:03 |
| * Jaffa reckons the "amaze stuff" will be the "Hildon UI" speeches. My "need scrolling consistency" bug has been marked as fixed entirely in Fremantle - with the suggestions from ragnar and others that it'll be something like intertial/finger scrolling | 22:03 | |
| JamieBennett | keesj: Indeed, I'd love to sit down with the indt guys for a chat (and buy them a beer!) | 22:03 |
| Jaffa | keesj: some of the INdT guys are coming over (e.g. Mamona) | 22:03 |
| aloisiojr | keesj: hi! | 22:04 |
| aloisiojr | hi all | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you can change op mode on the fly, don't know if any opmode is defined 333mhz by default. or you can recompile kernel | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi aloisiojr | 22:05 |
| aloisiojr | yeah.. some of us are going to maemo summit :) | 22:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: yeah, that's what I though | 22:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I was hoping I could echo the speed into one of the sysfs entries, but it doesn't seem to work | 22:06 |
| aloisiojr | qwerty12_N800: hi! | 22:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I think kotczarny had a patch for that but his server's gone :/ | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | for now, editing n800-dvfs seems only option afaik | 22:07 |
| lardman | where's his server gone to? | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | where's kotczarny gone? | 22:07 |
| lcuk_ | \o/ im not a junior member anymore | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | congrats, break out the cola? | 22:08 |
| * lcuk_ puts on his wizard hat | 22:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The member levels should probably be rethought. | 22:08 |
| * Jaffa has a beer for lcuk_ | 22:08 | |
| JamieBennett | ***JamieBennett has one too | 22:09 |
| lcuk_ | i think ive stopped feeling like a n00b now :) | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | /me, JamieBennett. :P | 22:09 |
| lcuk_ | you have one GeneralAntilles ? | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | His own JamieBennett | 22:09 |
| lardman | argh, still only ~4s of Moby | 22:09 |
| JamieBennett | I know its instinctive to type what I see on the screen rather than the command ;) | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | tsk, n00b ;) | 22:10 |
| JamieBennett | :P | 22:10 |
| JamieBennett | I've done it twice now | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, can't blame it for not wanting to play moby long :p | 22:10 |
| timelyx | wiza: taxes are higher in sweden or norway, no? :) | 22:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: blame Nokia for supplying the track | 22:10 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, you are going to hate that sample: when i was learning how to rip dvds to avi i played a single sample of a movie over and over again with different bitrates, now whenever i hear that bit in the movie the missus groans and nudges me | 22:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'd love to hear more than the first 10s actually :D | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol :D | 22:11 |
| lardman | lcuk_: :) | 22:11 |
| wiza | timelyx: I'm not exactly sure, least we have the lowest standard of living iirc | 22:11 |
| * qwerty12_N800 actually prefers CPU/DSP to be 400/133 rather than 333/266 . I need to repatch kernel. | 22:12 | |
| lardman | hmm, strange, I see a message about a broken pipe with the DSP, but not with the SW encoder, even if the SW encoder is running at a lower cpu speed (and not outputting sound) | 22:12 |
| timelyx | wiza: http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/scandinavia.html | 22:13 |
| timelyx | taxes for finland fell below norway and iceland :) | 22:14 |
| keesj | aloisiojr: I just registered , see you there | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anyone know a site with N800 datasheets? | 22:16 |
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| timelyx | ? | 22:17 |
| timelyx | other than nokia(usa).com and wikipedia? | 22:17 |
| wiza | timelyx: that's kinda old document, but I think we have little smaller taxes in % but we also have hidden costs on employment etc which makes our prices so high that standard of living stays low | 22:17 |
| timelyx | http://europe.nokia.com/A4305063 | 22:17 |
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| timelyx | wiza: i couldn't find a more recent doc | 22:17 |
| timelyx | iirc sweden is still slightly higher for taxes | 22:18 |
| timelyx | anyway. i'm here too (see hostmask) | 22:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, I said it wrong, I mean hardware specs, datasheets on the hardware inside (omap2420 etc) | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | There were some schematics posted on itT a while ago | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but goodluck on the OMAP2 stuff. ;) | 22:21 |
| * GAN800 wishes the update applet would list 3rd party stuff individually. | 22:22 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've got the schematics, just looking for the rest of the stuff :). those manuals earlier got me interested in this sort of stuff. | 22:22 |
| GAN800 | mplayer updated. . . . | 22:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes and does an lshal | 22:23 | |
| keesj | JamieBennett: you do burry a lot of news. what kinds of maemo news don't you like? | 22:26 |
| keesj | hmm you also have lot of favourites | 22:26 |
| JamieBennett | keesj: The promotes and buries I see and a 'what does the community want to see'. The most promoted go to the news front page so I feel the most appropriate ones should go there, not stories about 'what I did yesterday at the park'. I read the maemo planet everyday so I may as well help in 'moderating' it. | 22:28 |
| JamieBennett | s/I seen and/I see as | 22:29 |
| JamieBennett | Ooo, I thought of a purpose of attending the summit apart from my interests. Maybe I can video the talks on a HD camcorder to release afterwards to the community? | 22:31 |
| * lcuk_ suddenly and inexplicably drops out of the summit ;) | 22:31 | |
| JamieBennett | lcuk especially the beers afterwards ;) (for bribery of course) | 22:32 |
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| * GAN800 makes plan to press 1000 copies of lcuk's session. | 22:32 | |
| lcuk_ | i dont know about afterwards, i was a bag of nerves last time, is it wrong to have beer before? | 22:32 |
| lcuk_ | after i was fine | 22:32 |
| JamieBennett | Depends if its 8am in the morning or not ;) | 22:33 |
| lcuk_ | i was in shock - i hadnt been around that many developers - ever. | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | 8am's fine if we don't go to bed beforehand. | 22:33 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: I like your style :) | 22:33 |
| * Jaffa isn't sure his fatherly, 30 year-old body could take an all-nighter; but as a scientist, I should be willing to test hypotheses | 22:34 | |
| lcuk_ | jaffa, ill drink to that | 22:34 |
| * lcuk_ wants to be a scientist when he grows up | 22:34 | |
| lcuk_ | but i think im doomed to stay in computers forever | 22:35 |
| * Jaffa 's going to have a shower now Jaffa Jr, mk.1 is in bed. Get a beer and watch Doctor Who Confidential. | 22:35 | |
| Jaffa | Well, computer scientist. | 22:35 |
| Jaffa | Not codemonkey :) | 22:35 |
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| * JamieBennett My 29 (will be 30 at the summit) body is more than willing to try as my two children will be tucked up in bed as I'm away :) | 22:35 | |
| lcuk_ | ahhh to have the time to develop what i want to do full time :) | 22:35 |
| Jaffa | It was either CS, astrophysics or quantum mechanics at university. Chose the easiest :) | 22:36 |
| * lcuk_ has almost no time | 22:36 | |
| * Jaffa is almost in the enviable position of work at being able to tell management what we should do - *and be listened to*. | 22:36 | |
| Jaffa | Nearly, anyway. | 22:36 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 22:36 |
| JamieBennett | Even when your in that position they never listen (I know!) | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Tsk, at least let me leave the dream! | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | we dont know when we are set to arrive yet do we? i hope to get there fresh on thursday to give me time to wind down after horrid flight | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | I'll be there Tuesday | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | no jaffa, get those tps reports dont | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | (for OSim world) | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | done | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | We should definitely arrange beers | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | you freelance? | 22:38 |
| JamieBennett | (beforehand) | 22:38 |
| * Jaffa is hoping to arrive Tuesday for OSiM World - assuming the holiday is approved (no reason to assume not) | 22:39 | |
| lcuk_ | if im there on thursday i will need beer | 22:39 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk who? | 22:39 |
| lcuk_ | :( i can only get 2 days off | 22:39 |
| lcuk_ | you jamie | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_: the flight in from Stansted gets there quite late; we'll let you know where the beers'll be | 22:39 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: Sorry, yes and no. I have my own consultancy business but I also work for a large gaming company | 22:40 |
| lcuk_ | good job im not goin from stansted, and it will be sometime thursday (fingers crossed for early) | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_: ah, cool | 22:40 |
| * lcuk_ doesnt know what the nokia travel ageny lottery will draw for him | 22:41 | |
| lcuk_ | at least i hope they can arrange it again else i am bolloxed | 22:41 |
| JamieBennett | I'm trying to find a hotel so if there is a majority staying at a particular one then please someone let me know | 22:41 |
| JamieBennett | (no hostels though) | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: I'm looking at the top link at http://del.icio.us/aflegg/hotel - reasonably priced (IMHO) and about halfway between OSim's location & Summit's location. | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: ditto; need my own bathroom :) | 22:42 |
| JamieBennett | I don't do sweaty teenagers unless they are my own ;) | 22:43 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: looks good | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | There's a slightly more expensive Ibis, more in the centre and closer to the summit, but further from OSiM | 22:44 |
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| JamieBennett | I need something in the middle really and with some company as I travel a lot and travelling with no drinking partner is pretty boring :) | 22:45 |
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| Jaffa | JamieBennett: I don't know Berlin at all. And ditto on the travelling & drinking. Also prefer walking when in a city centre rather than cabs or buses. Especially since I don't speak German. | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | berlin in the sunshine is a wonderful city | 22:47 |
| pupnik | i might be living there by Sept | 22:47 |
| lcuk_ | :) pupnik i was just thinking of you | 22:47 |
| pupnik | i'm not feeling very sunshiney | 22:48 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: It will be my first trip to Berlin. 356 euro's for the 4 nights isn't too bad at all and if you are going to OSim too it will be good to meet up. | 22:48 |
| pupnik | but yeah totally cool to visit with all that street level life | 22:48 |
| * lardman should put his name down | 22:48 | |
| lardman | Berlin was really good | 22:48 |
| lcuk_ | yes simon, you absolutely should | 22:48 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: Did you get any reply from qgil about OSim entry? | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: Other than what he said on the wiki, no. | 22:52 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: Would be nice if I don't have to spend the 400 euros on the event too, lets see. | 22:53 |
| lardman | anyone know where alsa-play lives? | 22:53 |
| kkrusty | pupnik: Though this is redundant. I emailed you | 22:54 |
| * Jaffa 'll put a reply on the end when the holiday's confirmed (and then I'll book the hotel - probably the mercure - and my trains) | 22:54 | |
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| Jaffa | Shit, the mercure's gone up - it was 60-odd euros a night last time I looked. | 22:54 |
| lcuk_ | tick, tock | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | Aye. | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | 356 is still not bad, but might have another check around tomorrow before booking :) | 22:55 |
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| JamieBennett | Let me know Jaffa as I'll be booking tomorrow. I'm not keen on a hostel so where ever someone else will be in a hotel is a bonus :D | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: I'll check with you, if possible, before booking | 22:57 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa: Thanks | 22:57 |
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| lcuk_ | im goin for a bit | 23:03 |
| lcuk_ | cyas later | 23:03 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: Cya | 23:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, I compiled it once from alsa-utils/tools (can't remember which) | 23:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: thanks, just trying to work out why this broken pipe & reset sound card message with the dsp but not the sw fallback | 23:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, sorry, don't know what i'm chatting, I can't find alsaplay in debian packages but I can find alsaplayer in alsaplayer-common | 23:15 |
| lardman | hmm, mplayer spits the message out | 23:15 |
| kkrusty | I didnt find xchat in diablo extra | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's there. . . . | 23:17 |
| JamieBennett | Looks like I'll be videoing the whole summit, is there anything that you would like to see apart from the talks, interviews, questions e.t.c? If so send your suggestions to jamie@linuxuk.org and I'll try to sort it out. | 23:17 |
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| kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: Im using the application manager and theres nothing between "whoami" and "youamp" | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have Diablo Extras installed? | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or did you change it to Chinook Extras? | 23:23 |
| kkrusty | diablo | 23:23 |
| * kkrusty hopes its not case sensitive | 23:23 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's in diablo extras-devel | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was promoted, wasn't it? | 23:24 |
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| kkrusty | yes I found it there. But there must be a reason why its there | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | can't be, there's no x folder in diablo extras :) | 23:25 |
| lardman | 30s and counting :) | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woot, you go lardman! :) | 23:26 |
| lardman | I've even made it past the intro now :) | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:26 |
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| lardman | I wasn't missing much, he just repeats the same words again and again, was pretty similar to my repeats of the first 4s :) | 23:27 |
| lardman | and the answer to the problem was memory access speed | 23:27 |
| lardman | I moved the data buffers to SRAM rather than SDRAM | 23:27 |
| kkrusty | so extra-devel? or should I wait? | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine. | 23:28 |
| kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 23:28 |
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| JamieBennett | Also edit https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008_recordings if you want to see something from the summit | 23:33 |
| lardman | if I svn commit, can I do a directory at a time? | 23:33 |
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| kulve | I think so, yes | 23:34 |
| lardman | yep, just put the path, thanks | 23:34 |
| lardman | hmm, the sound is still a bit ropey though | 23:35 |
| lardman | slows & speeds up, but perhaps that's just my ears? | 23:36 |
| lardman | I seem to remember the sw method was like that last year | 23:36 |
| lardman | right, I think this deserves a release to test other people's ears too | 23:37 |
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| Dekaritae | Tablet for leftys | 23:42 |
| Dekaritae | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110267607098 | 23:42 |
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| zap | qwerty12_N800: what is dpad? | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the left, right, up + down buttons :) | 23:45 |
| zap | %-O | 23:46 |
| zap | how freetype can affect dpad? | 23:46 |
| zap | well, I can swear that dpad works for me ;-) | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, i dunno, it may have been another effect but as soon as i restored the old one, it "worked" again :) | 23:48 |
| zap | oh well, g'night people | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | We really need a more straightforward partitioning method than sfdisk. | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i've got cdisk (ncurses based) | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, would you recommend it as an alternative to sfdisk for newbies? | 23:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I'd have to say i'm undecided. it does have an easier interface then sfdisk. i'll check it out again. | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need penguinbait back here to document his .debs for it. | 23:55 |
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