| Toba | ok now with logging on i'm gonna try installing skype | 00:00 |
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| Toba | it seems to nieed libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0 | 00:01 |
| Toba | which aren't here for some reason | 00:01 |
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| m-vo | Hmm. | 00:01 |
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| m-vo | It's expected that they aren't available, we haven | 00:01 |
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| Toba | what? | 00:02 |
| Toba | this says I *don't* have them | 00:02 |
| m-vo | 't put them into any device repository. | 00:02 |
| Toba | and you're saying that they are? | 00:02 |
| Toba | it says they are missing | 00:02 |
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| m-vo | Yes, and you shouldn't. They are installed already. | 00:02 |
| m-vo | The problem is that Skype seems to require them. | 00:03 |
| Toba | I'm trying to keep my cool here, but having them when it wants them should not be a problem. | 00:03 |
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| m-vo | Toba, we'll figure it out. | 00:04 |
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| Toba | I hope so! | 00:05 |
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| m-vo | Can you quote the exact versions that are missing? | 00:05 |
| Toba | running again | 00:07 |
| Toba | oh it appears to need a newer version than I have | 00:07 |
| Toba | but didn't know enough to upgrade it | 00:07 |
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| m-vo | What's the version of skype you try to install? | 00:10 |
| m-vo | I have 1.7.62.51.1 | 00:10 |
| m-vo | And it needs libhildonfm2 1.9.49 | 00:10 |
| Toba | yep | 00:11 |
| Toba | I have 1.9.46 | 00:11 |
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| Toba | ....more slplits? | 00:11 |
| Toba | wow. | 00:11 |
| m-vo | Hmm. | 00:11 |
| Toba | anyway, how do I find out what depends on it? | 00:11 |
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| Toba | argh, and now the 'name' field of installed applications is way to narrow, version is wide as the screen, and I can't read any of the names. | 00:12 |
| m-vo | what depends on libhildonfm2 | 00:13 |
| m-vo | apt-cache rdepends | 00:13 |
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| Toba | wow. practically everything it seems | 00:13 |
| Toba | the list is huge | 00:14 |
| m-vo | Yeah, it's the "Hile Open" dialog, etc. | 00:14 |
| * m-vo has a new keyboard... | 00:14 | |
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| m-vo | "File Open" | 00:14 |
| Toba | good. you were mixing it up a bit. | 00:14 |
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| Toba | how do I upgrade just these 2 libraries without upgrading *everything* | 00:14 |
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| Toba | I'm worried about breaking something else by upgrading | 00:15 |
| Toba | should I be? | 00:15 |
| m-vo | You are not really supposed to upgrade system libraries, except by reflashing your device. | 00:15 |
| Toba | then what am I to do? | 00:15 |
| Toba | have a non-working skype forever? | 00:16 |
| m-vo | Which version of the Internet Tablet OS are you running? (Control Panel, About Device) | 00:16 |
| Toba | k | 00:16 |
| Toba | 1.20007.42-19 | 00:16 |
| Toba | er | 00:16 |
| Toba | 1.2007.42-19 | 00:16 |
| m-vo | Heh, look at the description of the "skype" package. | 00:16 |
| Toba | why I have 2007 os on here, when it's an n81-, I dunno | 00:17 |
| Toba | oh flipping hell | 00:17 |
| Toba | it wants me to flash before using it. | 00:17 |
| m-vo | It explicitly asks to run the latest version. I guess you ran into a known problem. :-/ | 00:17 |
| Toba | ugh. | 00:17 |
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| m-vo | I have 2.2007.50-2 | 00:17 |
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| Toba | is there some way to do a bit for bit image of the entire internal memory? | 00:17 |
| Atarii | dd | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:17 |
| andre___ | 2.2007.50-2 is the latest | 00:18 |
| Toba | it seems like this 'backup restore' thing is not actually getting everything. | 00:18 |
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| andre___ | yupp | 00:18 |
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| Gnuton | are anyone know if skype 2.0 will be available for maemo? | 00:18 |
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| m-vo | Toba, if you decide to reflash, what about trying to upgrade with apt-get first, just for fun? | 00:19 |
| Toba | heh | 00:19 |
| Toba | I will | 00:19 |
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| Toba | I feel like everything I did up to this point will have been wasted though >:[ | 00:19 |
| Atarii | anyone know why my battery icon would just disapear? as in its still in there, but just with no icon? | 00:19 |
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| m-vo | there is no repository with all the packages you need, probably, but there is the chinook sdk repo that has lots of libraries. | 00:19 |
| Toba | I'll just have to do it *again* after diablo comes out | 00:20 |
| Toba | feels pretty damn futile | 00:20 |
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| m-vo | Hmm, wait a minute. | 00:20 |
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| m-vo | Do you have this in your repositories: http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 00:22 |
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| Toba | yes | 00:22 |
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| Toba | oh christ | 00:23 |
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| Toba | when will it end | 00:23 |
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| m-vo | Aha, so the App manager does try to update libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0. | 00:23 |
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| Atarii | netsplit ftl | 00:23 |
| Toba | spooling up ftl | 00:23 |
| Toba | JUMP TO NETSPLIT ON MY MARK | 00:23 |
| Toba | m-vo so what does this mean? | 00:24 |
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| Toba | can I just upgrade that safely? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | ahhhh, so it was a netsplit that brings rose tyler back | 00:24 |
| m-vo | well, it's not officially supported, but it should work. | 00:24 |
| Toba | yeah, her shell was still there. | 00:24 |
| m-vo | activate red-pill, and continue when you get the 'error'. | 00:25 |
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| Dekaritae | lcuk: If she's from a different universe is it still really her | 00:28 |
| Toba | oh that's just flipping special | 00:28 |
| Toba | it can't upgrade libhildonfm2 because it isn't upgraded. | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | Dekaritae, wasnt she sent to the other universe anyway? | 00:29 |
| Toba | http://des.truct.org/tmp/hildon.jpg < can't upgrade due to Problems | 00:29 |
| m-vo | just to explain what's happening: skype requires the most recent version of libhildonfm2, but there is no official repository that contains this version. It is in the SDK repository, but that repository is not 'official' since it has not been signed with the right key. The App manager refuses to upgrade system libraries when they come from a repository that has not been signed with the right key. Apt-get will upgrade them, as will the App manager in red-p | 00:29 |
| m-vo | ill mode. | 00:29 |
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| Toba | app manager *is* in red pill mode | 00:30 |
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| * Toba checks settings. | 00:30 | |
| m-vo | Ahh, sorry. One more detail: the version lockdown. | 00:30 |
| Toba | ? | 00:31 |
| m-vo | Remove the osso-software-version package with apt-get. | 00:31 |
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| Dekaritae | Can't be sure it's the same one | 00:31 |
| m-vo | (Or do the whole upgrade with it, it should remove it automatically) | 00:31 |
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| m-vo | And, yeah, the error reporting of the AM is shit. | 00:31 |
| Toba | that, and it has to 'update' the list even when the action I took ended up doing nothing | 00:32 |
| Toba | a bit silly | 00:32 |
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| Toba | ok I deleted osso-software-version, now what | 00:33 |
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| m-vo | Try installing skype now. | 00:33 |
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| Toba | tryng... | 00:35 |
| Toba | oh nice. it appears to be working now. | 00:35 |
| Toba | so far. | 00:35 |
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| Atarii | next problem, gettin skype working on 2008he.... | 00:37 |
| m-vo | In an ideal world, trying to install skype should tell you that you need to update the OS first, and you should be able to do it without reflashing. | 00:37 |
| Toba | yes. and diablo is supposed to make that world real. | 00:37 |
| Toba | supposed. | 00:37 |
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| m-vo | Yep, fingers crossed. | 00:38 |
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| m-vo | The error reporting is still shit. Didn't manage to get this done. | 00:38 |
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| Toba | it's much better in red pill mode | 00:40 |
| Toba | it's not just like 'didn't work good luck with that' anymore | 00:40 |
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| Super_Cas | ok can somebody test something so i can be sure to buy a nokia n800/n810 | 00:42 |
| Toba | what is it? | 00:43 |
| Super_Cas | can somebody tell me if armogethon debian arm | 00:43 |
| Super_Cas | works on n800/n810 | 00:43 |
| Super_Cas | armogedthon the 3d game based on thon | 00:43 |
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| Toba | armogedthon? | 00:44 |
| Toba | are you sure you don't mean armagetron | 00:44 |
| Super_Cas | yeah im just spelling it wrong | 00:44 |
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| Toba | Super_Cas: it's not in any of the repositories I have installed, but I have by no means all of them. | 00:47 |
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| Super_Cas | ok but does debian arm games work well | 00:48 |
| Toba | I don't know. I haven't tried it. | 00:48 |
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| Super_Cas | Toba ok doesnt matter | 00:48 |
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| Super_Cas | is irc good on maemo | 00:49 |
| Toba | I ssh out on mine | 00:49 |
| Toba | and use irssi | 00:49 |
| Super_Cas | lol | 00:49 |
| Super_Cas | i used irssi on ds before | 00:49 |
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| Atarii | is there a way to manualy select the input method i.e. onscreen keyboard vs handwriting vs the bar which comes up when you are using a bt keyboard? | 00:54 |
| GAN800 | Tobas, you really should upgrade. 42-19 is old. | 00:55 |
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| Toba | ok, I am downloading the images.... how do I install them? | 01:02 |
| Toba | it doesn't seem to say on the download page | 01:02 |
| GAN800 | Google. . . . | 01:03 |
| GAN800 | 'flashing maemo <your os here>' | 01:03 |
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| Atarii | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958 | 01:04 |
| Toba | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4686323 < n810 page | 01:05 |
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| Atarii | Toba its the same thing | 01:07 |
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| Toba | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 01:09 |
| Toba | ^ won't load here... | 01:09 |
| Atarii | loads for me | 01:11 |
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| lopz | hola | 01:32 |
| Toba | hm that seems to have worked | 01:33 |
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| m-c | Anyone using their Apple BT keyboard with their desktop linux system? Ever see the "Can't create HID control channel" error? | 01:52 |
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| dick-richardson | anyone know how to make scp case-insensitive? | 01:57 |
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| GAN800 | lol <_< | 01:59 |
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| dick-richardson | I'd have to use something like sed, wouldn't I? :/ | 02:09 |
| * dick-richardson has avoided regex like the plague | 02:09 | |
| Toba | crap, I don't have a copy of that shell script I wrote | 02:10 |
| Toba | and I just flashed over it | 02:10 |
| lite | dick-richardson, why to make it case-insensitive? (and how?) | 02:10 |
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| dick-richardson | my desktop computer is my podcast client, I'm running ssh to find and move any mp3 podcasts to a temp directory, from which I'm scp'ing them to my n810 | 02:11 |
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| Toba | that shouldn't need case insensitivity | 02:11 |
| Toba | you could just use rsync... | 02:12 |
| dick-richardson | hmm... | 02:12 |
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| dick-richardson | the only situation where my script would fail is if a file ends in MP3 or mP3 or Mp3 | 02:12 |
| Xxaxx | or sshfs | 02:12 |
| Toba_ | or you could make the entire folder copy. | 02:13 |
| Fatal | dick-richardson: sounds more like a problem with the script that handles the files rather than with scp | 02:13 |
| dick-richardson | I use that temp directory for downloads as well | 02:13 |
| dick-richardson | and wouldn't necessarily want those copied | 02:14 |
| Fatal | dick-richardson: if you just scp *.mp3, then yes, it will not transfer .MP3, however, with some quick globbing in your shell (bash/posix sh) the line scping the files could be changed to scp *.[mM][pP]3 destination:/path | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | or *3 | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:15 |
| Fatal | KotCzarny: :) | 02:15 |
| * lcuk secretly writes a trojan to copy random .mp3 files into dick-richardson's download temp folder | 02:15 | |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 02:15 |
| dick-richardson | lol! | 02:15 |
| dick-richardson | send it to me, i'll run it | 02:15 |
| lcuk | hey dick-richardson, you wanna see this maemo emulator for windows? its only small, just click maemo_windows_emulator_really.exe | 02:15 |
| dick-richardson | i'm on ubuntu | 02:16 |
| lcuk | damn! i thought only windows users cared for case insisitive stuff | 02:16 |
| lcuk | security by obscurity ;0 | 02:16 |
| Toba | yeah me too | 02:16 |
| Fatal | dick-richardson: which is a rather quick and ugly hack (like, imagine what'd happen and how things blow up if there aren't any *.[mM][pP]3 files), protect your script by using nullglob or failglob, to sanitize the input. (yes, I'm only guessing the script does not handle errors) | 02:16 |
| pupnik | thanks m-vo, i did my skype install with apt-get install | 02:16 |
| lcuk | evening KotCzarny :) | 02:17 |
| Toba | or you could save your stuff into more logical directories | 02:17 |
| Toba | and just use rsync. | 02:17 |
| Toba | *sigh* | 02:17 |
| pupnik | m-vo do you know if it's possible to see 'chat' when in a conference call? when i am in a voice call, i can not see the chat messages and url's that people send | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | more logical directories?!?! | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | that's against media libraries! | 02:17 |
| dick-richardson | stop the sanity | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | what would be media libraries and scanning whole drives be for? | 02:18 |
| Xxaxx | pupnik: impossible | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | </rant> | 02:18 |
| dick-richardson | I'm still chuckling about the windows users and case insensitivity comment | 02:18 |
| pupnik | Xxaxx: thanks :( | 02:18 |
| Fatal | KotCzarny: :DDD | 02:18 |
| Fatal | KotCzarny++ | 02:18 |
| pupnik | maybe next skype client could support multiple matchbox windows - one for the call dialogue, one for the chat window | 02:19 |
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| dick-richardson | can rsync be run remotely? | 02:19 |
| dick-richardson | sorry, I had to | 02:19 |
| pupnik | it's 1:20 AM: ramen noodle soup time | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | meal time here too | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | dick: yes, ssh | 02:20 |
| dick-richardson | I know...was smartin' off | 02:20 |
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| dick-richardson | it was funny to me since I was aware and have used rsync for quite a bit and didn't think of it in this case | 02:21 |
| Toba | lol. | 02:23 |
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| rm_you | back! Any new developments in the last couple days? | 02:31 |
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| GAN800 | Just a lot of retardation and a few new ones from Darius. | 02:33 |
| pupnik | RST38h: has an updated Spectrum emulator | 02:33 |
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| pupnik | oh and i'd also like skype to show me the list of people in a conference call, and hilight the nick when they're talking | 02:35 |
| pupnik | so i can see who is saying what | 02:35 |
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| Xxaxx | :) | 02:36 |
| pupnik | Cause it gets darn consufzilening | 02:37 |
| pupnik | you work on skype Xxaxx ? | 02:37 |
| pupnik | i was really impressed with the echo/feedback cancellation | 02:38 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: >_> | 02:45 |
| Xxaxx | pupnik: no:) | 02:46 |
| * summatusmentis reads the rsync man page | 02:53 | |
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| summatusmentis | so lcuk, when do we get to play? | 03:00 |
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| Atarii | can someone cat /etc/osso-software-version on 2008 please? | 03:02 |
| summatusmentis | I don't have such a thing | 03:03 |
| summatusmentis | oh, osso_software_version | 03:03 |
| Atarii | yea sorry | 03:04 |
| summatusmentis | RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0 | 03:04 |
| Atarii | thanks | 03:04 |
| summatusmentis | sure thing | 03:04 |
| dick-richardson | where are ssh connections logged? | 03:06 |
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| Anunakin | hi all! | 03:17 |
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| summatusmentis | look what you did, you broke it! | 03:18 |
| Atarii | o dear | 03:18 |
| Atarii | not again! | 03:18 |
| dick-richardson | I removed that package | 03:19 |
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| Atarii | job interview tomorrow :S | 03:19 |
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| dick-richardson | I've got 51-3 | 03:19 |
| summatusmentis | w/ who? | 03:19 |
| Atarii | healthcare company | 03:20 |
| Atarii | QA system tester | 03:20 |
| Xamusk | hi, I'm having a problem using N800 to make sip calls | 03:20 |
| Xamusk | I can't do it either with telepathy nor with gizmo | 03:20 |
| summatusmentis | intriguing | 03:20 |
| Atarii | try skype | 03:20 |
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| Atarii | nite all | 03:21 |
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| Xamusk | Atarii, actually, I do want to use SIP because I also want to test if an VoIP ATA phone would work here | 03:22 |
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| Xamusk | currently, I'm able to use Ekiga in my laptop to call Ekiga's echo number with success | 03:23 |
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| Xamusk | but I can't do the same with the N800 | 03:23 |
| Xamusk | actually, the call even is made, but I neither receive nor send sound | 03:27 |
| pupnik | hmm.. | 03:31 |
| pupnik | anybody want to skype me from an n800/n810? i'm curious about the sound quality? | 03:31 |
| Xamusk | apparently it's not a SIP problem, but an RTP one | 03:31 |
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| pupnik | somehow the mobile data operators are getting away with specifying "no voip" in their contracts | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's good | 03:34 |
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| pupnik | in germany | 03:34 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: what id/number? | 03:34 |
| Xamusk | well... at least here they even don't have to... just because it's usually both too expensive and with very poor performance | 03:35 |
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| Xamusk | I guess telepathy isn't handling NAT correctly | 03:46 |
| Xamusk | neither is Gizmo for the N800 | 03:46 |
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| GAN800 | Works fine here. | 04:03 |
| Xamusk | by the way, text messaging is working fine | 04:04 |
| Xamusk | it could be a router problem, but it's strange, because Ekiga works | 04:04 |
| unixSnob | it pisses me off when the USB keyboard simply stops working.. still gets detected, but keystrokes are ignored | 04:07 |
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| GAN800 | unixSnob, give it enough power then. | 04:19 |
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| unixSnob | GAN800: you might be on to something.. the keyboard is wireless, and the n800 gives usb power to the transceiver | 04:20 |
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| unixSnob | But what doesn't make sense is that it's been working most of the time | 04:21 |
| unixSnob | Then it just quits. cycling power doesn't fix it | 04:21 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:26 |
| KotCzarny | power button doesn't work while charging? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you can't lock nit while charging? | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | disregard me. | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | i was hitting fullscreen one.. | 04:27 |
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| rm_you | lol | 04:29 |
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| mikedep3331 | hey, in ITOS 2008, what do I need to do to enable uPnP and SMB file sharing support for the file manager? | 05:17 |
| mikedep3331 | I just booted off my internal storage to test something | 05:18 |
| Navi | mikedep3331, it detects shares on the network and does them automatically | 05:18 |
| mikedep3331 | hmm, I don't know why they're not showing up. I will boot to SD card | 05:19 |
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| pupnik | whoah cool Navi | 05:23 |
| pupnik | lurn sumfin every day | 05:23 |
| Navi | O_o | 05:23 |
| pupnik | haven't used smb in a while | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | nice feature | 05:24 |
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| Proteous_ | smb shares can't have a password | 05:36 |
| Proteous_ | also, I've had them not show up sometimes | 05:36 |
| rm_you | the upnp stuff won't work for me... | 05:36 |
| Proteous_ | closing and opening the file manager a few times till they finaly show up worked thou | 05:37 |
| Proteous_ | I have a tversity server running on a windows box that shows up in the file manager | 05:37 |
| rm_you | the upnp servers all show up correctly, but it never lists any files shared (though my xbox 360 can see and play everything perfectly) | 05:37 |
| Proteous_ | ah | 05:37 |
| Proteous_ | don't know | 05:37 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, 360 upnp != everything else upnp | 05:38 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: ? | 05:38 |
| rm_you | GAN800: it also works on other people's laptops >_> | 05:39 |
| rm_you | AH | 05:39 |
| rm_you | they work when browsed through the file manager! | 05:39 |
| rm_you | just not when browsed through the media player | 05:39 |
| GAN800 | lol | 05:42 |
| GAN800 | Works fine here. | 05:42 |
| rm_you | ok well apparently i'm just lying | 05:43 |
| rm_you | now they work fine through the media player | 05:43 |
| rm_you | i tried to get this working for like 2 hours yesterday <_< | 05:44 |
| rm_you | i just found out about upnp sharing stuff like... a week ago | 05:44 |
| rm_you | it's AMAZING | 05:44 |
| rm_you | i don't know why more people havent yelled at me about this | 05:44 |
| Proteous_ | I love it, except for the part where I can't ff or rewind or skip around in videos | 05:45 |
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| sch | hi....i got a question here. | 05:47 |
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| Proteous_ | how do penguins keep from getting cold even in the snow? | 05:48 |
| Proteous_ | I've always wondered that myself | 05:48 |
| GAN800 | Haha | 05:48 |
| Proteous_ | instead of asking if you can ask a question you should just spit it out | 05:49 |
| sch | when i shutdown x-server on maemo, why the screen still stay on there?and after a few minutes ,it's go to black screen ,when i touch the screen, it got to blank screen...my question is why we need stay a few minutes there?? | 05:50 |
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| Proteous_ | I don't have x-server running on my tablet | 05:50 |
| Proteous_ | I do know when I exit from the terminal app it doesn't quit, it just goes to a blank window | 05:51 |
| Proteous_ | then I have to quit the program manualy | 05:51 |
| sch | no , if i close a app , it should quit, although sometime ,there need time to wait.. | 05:53 |
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| Proteous_ | sometimes programs don't do what you wish they would... | 05:54 |
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| n800m | i love FBReader | 06:10 |
| n800m | for the record | 06:11 |
| Navi | Woo | 06:11 |
| Navi | I love lcuk's magical never-ever-seen reader | 06:11 |
| n800m | does it have fancy scrolling? | 06:12 |
| n800m | i thought a cool feature for a reader would be a bitmab background | 06:12 |
| n800m | bitmap | 06:13 |
| Navi | iono | 06:13 |
| Navi | Eh, background would be annoying | 06:13 |
| n800m | the most relaxing on my eyes is a not-quite-white | 06:14 |
| n800m | yellowish tint | 06:14 |
| n800m | and it took me a few books to find it | 06:14 |
| Navi | You can set the BG color | 06:15 |
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| n800m | yeah i have | 06:15 |
| n800m | but it'd be fancy having a backgrounds with different shades at margins | 06:15 |
| n800m | i'd bet that'd be pretty comfortable | 06:16 |
| n800m | i've never thought about this before today for some reason, but is there a way to install diferent fonts? | 06:19 |
| n800m | yes! | 06:22 |
| Navi | Same way on any leenucks, I think | 06:23 |
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| skibur | Does "The Mana World" game work on the N800? | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | oh... that'd explain why my rsync kept failing | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ I need a bigger mini-sd card | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | s/bigger// | 06:34 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: :-/ I need a mini-sd card | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | s/bigger // | 06:35 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: :-/ I need a mini-sd card | 06:35 |
| mikedep333 | hey, does canola2 ignore MP4 files? that is what the official video convertor outputs to | 06:38 |
| rm_you | the official video converter is horrible | 06:39 |
| rm_you | i recommend mediautils | 06:39 |
| rm_you | tablet-encode | 06:40 |
| mikedep333 | thx | 06:41 |
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| beford | tablet-encode doesn't work on my pc | 06:51 |
| beford | it returns some X errors | 06:51 |
| beford | and closes | 06:52 |
| ameng | Hi, where I can get source of mplayer-maemo? | 06:52 |
| Navi | ameng, there should be an svn repo on their garage page | 06:52 |
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| lopz | night | 07:07 |
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| unique311 | anyone knows why in the maemo logo from maemo.org the is is in orange? | 09:05 |
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| unique311 | E | 09:05 |
| unique311 | i want to take part in the logo contest. Just trying to get more info on the current logo. | 09:06 |
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| Navi | no reason | 09:14 |
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| unique311 | ok | 09:15 |
| unique311 | thanks | 09:15 |
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| herwood | hi | 09:55 |
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| ameng | Hi, when i compiled mplayer-maemo from source , I get below errors: | 10:25 |
| ameng | idct_armv5te.c: In function `idct_row': | 10:25 |
| ameng | idct_armv5te.c:125: warning: ISO C90 forbids mixed declarations and code | 10:25 |
| ameng | /var/tmp/cceuLti0.s: Assembler messages: | 10:25 |
| ameng | /var/tmp/cceuLti0.s:187: Error: selected processor does not support `smulbb r3,r2,lr' | 10:25 |
| ameng | Any one can help out? | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | wrong flags | 10:25 |
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| vegai | wrong CPU? | 10:26 |
| ameng | I compile it in scratchbox | 10:27 |
| ameng | I only run ./configure with no args | 10:27 |
| vegai | ameng: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg10193.html | 10:27 |
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| ameng | then make | 10:27 |
| ameng | vegai:Thx | 10:28 |
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| crashanddie | hey guys, need some help, fast | 10:36 |
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| glass | asking the question is often much faster than just yelling for "help" | 10:37 |
| crashanddie | yeah I'm figuring out how to ask this, hang on | 10:37 |
| glass | nobody really bothers to answer generic calls for "help" on irc as it's usually futile to try to help someone who doesn't know what he needs help with | 10:38 |
| RST38h | heheh | 10:38 |
| crashanddie | dude, been on IRC for the past 15 years :) | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | slow learner, huh? | 10:38 |
| * KotCzarny grins | 10:39 | |
| crashanddie | ^^ | 10:39 |
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| crashanddie | on my NIT, I have a special repository (my personal repository), stored as deb http://address/~user/maemo binary, or deb-src http://address/~user/maemo source | 10:40 |
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| RST38h | a'ok | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | how would I go and input those settings in the application manager ? | 10:41 |
| RST38h | Slow learner indeed. | 10:41 |
| RST38h | There is a menu option. | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | cuz everything i've tried results in miserable fail, and I'm starting to be quite stressed out (said device is part of my final exam in less than a few hours) | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | err, less than couple of days, rather | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, yeah, I know, application catalogue, hit new, then add the info, but like I said, everything i've tried failed ! | 10:43 |
| RST38h | maybe there is no repository at address you are entering? | 10:44 |
| RST38h | have you checked with a web browser? | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | yeah, it's there | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | plus, my NIT uses it fine | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | how about editing /etc/apt/ or /etc/dpkg/ ? | 10:44 |
| RST38h | you have just said that your NIT has problems with it? | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | the school one can't access it | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | as in, I can't add it properly, so to see | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, I don't have root access on the device | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | hack it ;) | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | I can't, really | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | not my device | 10:45 |
| RST38h | maybe the school one has a different configuration that prevents overly smart students from messing with it? | 10:46 |
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| lcuk | you are trying to get a computer on the school network to use your repo which is on your home network and accessed via your home NIT via a home lan local address | 10:46 |
| lcuk | ? | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, nope, my server is here at school, brought it from home, cuz we needed it | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, all devices are on this local subnet, aka 192.168.66.* | 10:46 |
| lcuk | check the subnets and make sure everyone can ping each other | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | can't ping on the NIT if I'm not root | 10:47 |
| aquatix | sudo ping? | 10:47 |
| lcuk | can ping to it though cant you | 10:47 |
| lcuk | sudo wont work on default device | 10:47 |
| aquatix | ah indeed | 10:47 |
| lcuk | for default things | 10:47 |
| lcuk | morning btw \o | 10:47 |
| aquatix | heya :) | 10:48 |
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| * lcuk laughs at Marcels email re: maemo.org downtime cancelled due to technical difficulties | 10:49 | |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:49 |
| lcuk | surely thats a technical win? | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | ok, the NIT can access the repo, for sure | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | bugs ate the admin sent to down the servers | 10:50 |
| lcuk | literally... big spiders block the server cabinet | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | I just get the error "unable to refresh application list, unable to access repositories, check network" | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | I just tried using the browser on said NIT, and I can access the repo no problem... | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | Could be other repos are down ? | 10:51 |
| lcuk | is it other repos that are a problem? | 10:51 |
| * lcuk looks at screen.. | 10:51 | |
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| lcuk | right back later | 10:52 |
| lcuk | (short stay) | 10:52 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: *g* - we got the same here with a server of ours | 10:53 |
| aquatix | planned do bring it down to do upgrades, but hit some technical difficulties, cancelling the maintenance :) | 10:53 |
| ranit | hi, I am trying to develop Qt app on maemo. can i make use of Hildon framework or do i have to make use of any other framework | 10:55 |
| aquatix | maemo doesn't support qt yet, iirc | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | ranit: qt4.garage.maemo.org | 10:56 |
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| ranit | aquatix: but i 've already run a simple app | 10:57 |
| atul_ | Hi am trying to put XULRunner on to maemo any suggetions How to ? | 10:57 |
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| aquatix | ranit: ah, check X-Fade's link then | 10:58 |
| aquatix | and ignore me ;) | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | This community qt4 project will be supported for Fremantle. | 10:59 |
| ranit | ok | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | After the Fremantle release we have Harmattan with fully integrated qt4. | 11:00 |
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| AStorm | good for you | 11:02 |
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| AStorm | and I'll have my WM earlier than that | 11:02 |
| AStorm | so you will use it ;P | 11:02 |
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| AStorm | hopefully | 11:04 |
| AStorm | assuming xcb works on maemo | 11:04 |
| AStorm | does it? | 11:04 |
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| AStorm | does anyone know that? | 11:06 |
| * aquatix doesn't | 11:06 | |
| aquatix | AStorm: your WM? | 11:07 |
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| AStorm | aquatix: yes, one I'm writing, in Python for additional configurability | 11:07 |
| aquatix | interesting | 11:07 |
| AStorm | not that it's cpu-intensive or memory-intensive anyway | 11:07 |
| aquatix | what does it better than the current one? | 11:07 |
| AStorm | right now, it can connect to X server, thank you very much ;P | 11:07 |
| AStorm | so, nothing | 11:08 |
| aquatix | ah :P | 11:08 |
| AStorm | what it will do, is be a full-blown WM, not matchbox | 11:08 |
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| aquatix | ok, but will it do better ;) | 11:08 |
| aquatix | check :) | 11:08 |
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| AStorm | to add, it will support various placement policies | 11:08 |
| joyious | Hi, I have some questions about the usage of omapfb drivers | 11:08 |
| AStorm | coded in python | 11:08 |
| joyious | could someone help me with that ? | 11:09 |
| AStorm | and have pluggable decoration modules | 11:09 |
| AStorm | it won't do trays, for that, there may be a separate app | 11:09 |
| AStorm | (there are a few already) | 11:09 |
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| AStorm | (including panels, so why bother myself) | 11:09 |
| AStorm | the feature set I want to reproduce is XMonad's one, maybe Ion3 one | 11:10 |
| AStorm | but in a cleaner way | 11:11 |
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| AStorm | unlike these, it will later support Cairo | 11:12 |
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| aquatix | AStorm: cool :) | 11:12 |
| AStorm | (as a pluggable decoration module) | 11:13 |
| GAN800 | lol, smplayer (from qt4) actually works pretty well as an mplayer frontend. | 11:14 |
| AStorm | why wouldn't it? | 11:14 |
| AStorm | it is one of the best frontends to it | 11:14 |
| GAN800 | Semi-complete Qt port. | 11:15 |
| AStorm | maybe excluding canola ;P | 11:15 |
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| crashanddie | ok well, I got bored, and did was I was told *not* to do... And flashed the NIT and gave myself root access | 11:42 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: :) | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | here comes security of nits | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:44 |
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| crashanddie | yeah well, don't ask me to develop on one without R&D mode, it's just stupid | 11:44 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: why? | 11:47 |
| AStorm | R&D is just root control | 11:47 |
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| AStorm | you can install easyroot and forget about R&D | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | R&D is also showing other stuff in the app manager | 11:47 |
| AStorm | no | 11:48 |
| AStorm | that's red pill | 11:48 |
| AStorm | independent of R&D | 11:48 |
| macoute | any diablo users again? :) | 11:48 |
| AStorm | macoute: no, it's closed beta ;P | 11:48 |
| macoute | are you using the old kernel? | 11:48 |
| AStorm | no, my own | 11:48 |
| macoute | AStorm: oh yeah, i forgot :) | 11:48 |
| macoute | modified from diablo? | 11:49 |
| macoute | which initfs? | 11:49 |
| AStorm | ... | 11:50 |
| AStorm | no, built myself | 11:50 |
| AStorm | the chinook 4.0.1 version | 11:50 |
| AStorm | fanoush initfs, modified | 11:50 |
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| AStorm | I've problems with the TSC2005, it's getting multiple clicks | 11:51 |
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| AStorm | not sure why, probably either a race condition | 11:51 |
| AStorm | lack of debounce | 11:51 |
| AStorm | or so | 11:51 |
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| pupnik | btw os2008 is real stable here | 11:51 |
| pupnik | don't think it gets enough credit for that | 11:52 |
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| pupnik | rehi ssvb | 11:53 |
| AStorm | pupnik: it is, yes | 11:53 |
| pupnik | what is TSC2005 AStorm | 11:54 |
| AStorm | TouchScreen Controller <number> | 11:55 |
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| AStorm | the chip controlling the touchscreen in n810 | 11:55 |
| AStorm | (n800 uses tsc2301) | 11:55 |
| pupnik | ahcha | 11:57 |
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| thp | has anyone gotten sqlite3 to compile on for the internet tablets? | 12:26 |
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| kulve | isn't it installed by default? | 12:45 |
| kulve | at least the lib is | 12:45 |
| thp | oh.. ok | 12:46 |
| thp | but i didn't see it in scratchbox.. strange | 12:47 |
| kulve | apt-cache search libsqlite3 | 12:48 |
| kulve | libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library | 12:48 |
| kulve | libsqlite3-dev - SQLite 3 development files | 12:48 |
| thp | now, just tell me that python-pysqlite2 is also available? | 12:49 |
| kulve | my apt-cache search doesn't show it.. | 12:50 |
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| Atarii | does the maemo SDK vmware image have the latest scratchbox? | 12:57 |
| Atarii | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 12:57 |
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| pupnik | btw perhaps the greatest science fiction short story i've read is E.M. Forester's "The Machine Stops" from 1909 http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html (12000 words) | 13:20 |
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| pupnik | *Forster* | 13:22 |
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| Atarii | bookmarked for later pupnik : | 13:27 |
| Atarii | :p* | 13:27 |
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| qos_ | hey guys ... | 14:23 |
| keesj | hi | 14:23 |
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| lardman | Any recomendations for OCR for code? | 14:31 |
| lardman | OCR programs that is | 14:31 |
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| keesj | lardman: I think there are only two working ones (gocr) being one of them | 14:33 |
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| lardman | keesj: yeah, that's what it looks like from wikipedia | 14:34 |
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| keesj | ocrad being the other on http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html | 14:35 |
| keesj | (I played with booth when using kooka) | 14:35 |
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| lardman | I just installed some Russian software - cuneiform - but have no idea what it is telling me :) | 14:37 |
| lardman | am at work using WinXP atm | 14:37 |
| keesj | all your base .... | 14:37 |
| lardman | yeah, probably something like that | 14:37 |
| lardman | :) | 14:37 |
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| keesj | I work 4 "only" day's a week so a home atm while kids are dreaming . | 14:38 |
| lardman | I'm going to head home now, lunch & fire up the Linux box and see if either of those OCR packages do the job | 14:38 |
| keesj | there are probably also bar code scannners using webcam | 14:38 |
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| lardman | Otherwise I'll be typing out ~40 pages of FORTRAN :( | 14:39 |
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| keesj | an other great tools is found as pluing in inkscape . it transforms bitmaps in vectors | 14:39 |
| lardman | I was writing one of those :) | 14:39 |
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| lardman | barcode -> number for a book db | 14:40 |
| lardman | Must finish that off at some point... :) | 14:40 |
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| keesj | version 1.0 , I just fixed the last bug | 14:43 |
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| thp | is there an admin of the maemo extras repository around? | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | thp: What's up? | 14:58 |
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| thp | X-Fade: i uploaded a package that shouldn't go into the extras repository | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | thp: Broken package? | 15:00 |
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| thp | X-Fade: i packaged pysqlite2, because it's going to be a dependency of my app soon, only to note that sqlite3 support is already in python2.5, so this package is not really needed | 15:01 |
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| X-Fade | thp: I'll try to find out what the proper procedure is to remove a package. | 15:03 |
| aquatix | rm -rf ;) | 15:03 |
| * aquatix hides | 15:03 | |
| thp | thanks. i just uploaded it, so it's not yet available publically, i think. but i want to avoid confusing some people by providing a pysqlite2 package when sqlite3 support (what pysqlite2 provides) is already available in python2.5 | 15:04 |
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| X-Fade | thp: Is there a dependency problem? | 15:07 |
| thp | X-Fade: no, the package has not yet been published, and no package depends on it | 15:07 |
| lcuk | i know im gonna get shot for this, but: is mdbtools (or an alternative) available for maemo, nothing is coming up in my google foo | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | thp: The package is already in the repo. So removing it is not that trivial. | 15:11 |
| lcuk | x-fade if its already there and someone else uploads it, does that replace the version thats there? ie could a user of malicious (or not) intent accidentally replace a known good support package with something more worrysome, and wouldnt the proper procedure be to restore from backup | 15:12 |
| thp | X-Fade: yep, seems like it just got copied into the pool | 15:13 |
| thp | lcuk: it has not been there when i uploaded it ten minutes ago, but it got published now in the repository/pool | 15:13 |
| qos_ | does somebody want to test a traffic counter applet? | 15:13 |
| Atarii | to get the / directory in filemaanger i use the command "ln -s [INSERT ADDRESS] /" can someone fill in the blank for me please? | 15:14 |
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| keesj | qos_: sounds fun what is it? | 15:15 |
| keesj | ooo network traffic I guess? | 15:15 |
| lardman | Atarii: /home/user/MyDocs/ | 15:15 |
| thp | Atarii: ln -s /home/user/MyDocs/root / | 15:15 |
| Atarii | thanks, to both | 15:15 |
| lardman | Atarii: but be careful as the metacrawler will get itself stuck in a loop | 15:15 |
| Atarii | ye | 15:15 |
| Atarii | ive stopped metacrawler | 15:15 |
| qos_ | keesj, an applet which counts the transfered traffic ... i wrote it for getting an overview of my HSDPA usage | 15:16 |
| thp | Atarii: actually, it's ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/root | 15:16 |
| lardman | :) | 15:16 |
| keesj | qos_ not really I was hoping for some weird "count cars based on the driven speed/allowed or recorded sound" | 15:16 |
| Atarii | o right cheers | 15:16 |
| qos_ | keesj, for something like that you was hoping for :)? | 15:17 |
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| Anunakin | hi all! | 15:18 |
| keesj | would have been fun right? perhaps speed in counted wifi spots /second | 15:18 |
| qos_ | nobody who wants take a look? i just want to make sure that it runs fine even on other devices than my developer thing... | 15:19 |
| thp | X-Fade: so, there's nothing we can currently do about that package? | 15:19 |
| keesj | density of and area. average iq of the people based on the wifi accedd name | 15:19 |
| lcuk | keesj, if your neighbours type like you then your local area will take a dive :P | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | thp: I'll try to get it removed. But we need to rebuild indexes etc. So it is quite some work. | 15:20 |
| thp | X-Fade: thanks :) | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | thp: Need to see if I have a minute of free time somewhere today.. | 15:21 |
| keesj | haha | 15:21 |
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| thp | sorry for messing up there, but i suppose you should have some easy procedure for removing packages, anyway (for situations where people upload packages that have an incompatible license, etc..) | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | thp: Well, we're working towards a community ran repository. So please propose a plan for that ;) | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | keesj, traffic would be good by using published roas speed vs actual travelling speed. would be even nicer with bluetooth p2p connections between cars to show localvariation | 15:24 |
| * lcuk just noticed the iq around manchester just drop as well | 15:24 | |
| thp | there are good examples for community-ran repository out there already - look at the debian and ubuntu repositores. they are a bit more difficult to get packages into, but i believe they can remove packages a bit easier and also check every package before accepting it into the repository (although i like the easier and more straightforward way of getting packages into chinook-extras ;) | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | thp: We definitely DO NOT want to complicate the package commit process | 15:26 |
| qos_ | thp, how do i get packages into chinook extras? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Because in this case, nobody will commit to your new community-run repository | 15:26 |
| thp | yep, that's why i like it | 15:27 |
| thp | qos_: read http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 15:27 |
| qos_ | thp, thx | 15:27 |
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| macoute | qos_: i will try it soon, after my cloning and upgrading is finished again :) | 15:36 |
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| qos_ | macoute, nice. when will this be? | 15:39 |
| macoute | qos_: half an hour at most | 15:41 |
| macoute | you can send me the package/tarball/.install/whatever already | 15:41 |
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| macoute | have you tried the rotation kernel btw? | 15:44 |
| macoute | it is working and stable and all? | 15:44 |
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| qos_ | i am using it all the time ... best feature ever ... | 15:47 |
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| crashanddie | Hey, I wanted to know, what should you put in the makefile so that the .desktop and .service files get installed correctly ? | 15:53 |
| kulve | desktop_DATA = your.dekstop | 15:54 |
| kulve | and to configure.ac: | 15:54 |
| kulve | desktopdir=`pkg-config osso-af-settings --variable=statusbardesktopentrydir` | 15:54 |
| kulve | AC_SUBST(desktopdir) | 15:54 |
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| crashanddie | eeh ? | 15:55 |
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| crashanddie | kulve, sorry, didn't quite get that... You wouldn't have a link to something a little more verbose ? (sorry, again) | 15:57 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html | 15:58 |
| kulve | there's the more verbose version ;) | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | wait, I thought .desktop was to get something in the menu ? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | Not a desktop widget | 15:58 |
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| kulve | well, yes, it's use for that too | 15:59 |
| kulve | I need to go, maybe you'll guess the right lines from that document too.. Or find the right one from the maemo.org | 15:59 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ping? | 16:06 |
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| qos_ | macoute, whats about the testing ;) | 16:10 |
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| macoute | qos_: taking a minute more, i was already testing the kernel but saw that battery was low and its now loading up for flashing (and usability too :)) | 16:11 |
| macoute | qos_: but do you have the file already somewhere? | 16:11 |
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| sinak | hello. Is there a N800 owner?? | 16:15 |
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| sinak | I want to ask something abouts its battery | 16:16 |
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| florian | sure | 16:16 |
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| sinak | is N800 battery enough to watch a movie? | 16:16 |
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| sinak | (sorry for my bad english :-p ) | 16:17 |
| florian | sinak: I guess so... not sure how much power it needs, but I would assume it lasts longer than an average movie. | 16:17 |
| sinak | i hope sou :-) | 16:18 |
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| sinak | a friend of mine told me that it's running a debian based os | 16:19 |
| lcuk | sinak, the runtime of your n800 playing movies will depend upon a few things: video encoding format and resolution. high resolution movies which require a lot of CPU power to decode will tax the battery more than lower resolution films. but on average ive been able to easily watch movies with mine :) | 16:19 |
| sinak | is this correct? | 16:19 |
| florian | sinak: more or less... it is quite similar and uses the same package format | 16:20 |
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| sinak | nice :-) | 16:20 |
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| qos_ | macoute, did you get it? | 16:22 |
| sinak | lcuk i dont want to watch movies in high res. just a regular avi :-p | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | sinak :) just trying to inform you based upon the information i had | 16:23 |
| sinak | :-) | 16:25 |
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| sinak | is its console as powerful as linux's?? | 16:29 |
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| ||cw | sinak: it is linux. | 16:32 |
| sinak | nice :-) | 16:33 |
| ||cw | by default it has very few gnu tools installed though, but most everything is available | 16:33 |
| sinak | and how can i install them? | 16:34 |
| sinak | are any packages like .deb? | 16:35 |
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| qos_ | macoute, still there? | 16:36 |
| ||cw | sinak: yes, maemo.org has an application catalog, you click a link from the brower on the device and the software source is installed, then the application is installed | 16:37 |
| sinak | cool :-) | 16:37 |
| ||cw | then it can be kept up to date just like any other apt/dpkg based system | 16:37 |
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| sinak | ||cw the only thing that bothers me, is its battery life | 16:38 |
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| ||cw | sinak: it is average for the form factor | 16:38 |
| sinak | can i see a couple of avi movies? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | dim the screen slighty and you go a lot further, just like every other mobile device :) | 16:39 |
| sinak | because i'm travelling a lot | 16:39 |
| ||cw | depends on length, and encoding | 16:39 |
| sinak | mm.. | 16:39 |
| ||cw | if you re-encode to a low res and optimized bitrate, you'll get pretty far | 16:40 |
| ||cw | and it can be recharged with a standard nokia n-series travel charger too, so most any outlet will do | 16:41 |
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| sinak | Ah this is very good :-) | 16:41 |
| lardman | note to self, be careful of must-iterate pragmas in crc code | 16:42 |
| ||cw | does the 800/810 still use a common nokia battery like the 770 does? | 16:43 |
| RST38h | yes | 16:43 |
| ||cw | so a spare battery would be easy to manage too | 16:43 |
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| sinak | if the movie has an encoding like this 772 kbps XviD 23.976 FPS ? | 16:44 |
| ||cw | that would be very high | 16:44 |
| florian | ||cw: But the batteries a different: 770 and N800 use a BP-5L, but the N810 has a different one... | 16:45 |
| ||cw | on the 770, I do 240x144 350kbps | 16:45 |
| ||cw | looks very good too | 16:46 |
| sinak | ok I will reduce it then :-) | 16:46 |
| ||cw | that's for widescreen, for 4:3 I do 176:144 | 16:46 |
| sp3000 | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html does useful presets and things | 16:46 |
| ||cw | the 8xx should handle bigger, but the smaller the more battery life, just make sure it's a factor of the original | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | tablet-encode sucks | 16:47 |
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| sp3000 | *shrug* it wfm | 16:48 |
| qos_ | does somebody want to test a traffic counter applet? just want to make sure that it runs fine on other devices than on the device it was developed on ... | 16:48 |
| ||cw | what sucks about it | 16:48 |
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| hendry | is there a recommended httpd for maemo? | 16:48 |
| ||cw | qos_: what does it use to get the counts? | 16:48 |
| RST38h | it defaults to dismal output quality | 16:48 |
| qos_ | ||cw /proc/net/dev | 16:48 |
| RST38h | and also manages to crash on my ubuntu machine | 16:48 |
| ||cw | RST38h: so don't use the defaults | 16:49 |
| RST38h | not mencoder but tablet encode itself crashes | 16:49 |
| ||cw | qos_: that should work on any linux device with a tcp stack | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | --preset best isn't too complicated ;) | 16:49 |
| RST38h | cw: I can just as well use mencoder directly then | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | haven't noticed it dying much | 16:49 |
| RST38h | best preset still sucks | 16:49 |
| sinak | ||cw is there any better battery for sale for N800?? | 16:49 |
| ||cw | sinak: no, it's already as good as can fit in the form factor | 16:50 |
| ||cw | as with most cell phone batteries | 16:50 |
| qos_ | ||cw, it is a python applet... i don't worry about the mechanism to get to counts. more about dependencies and stuff like this ... | 16:50 |
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| sinak | I see | 16:50 |
| ||cw | qos_: ah, so you really just want to test the .deb's dependancies? | 16:51 |
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| jitu3485 | can someone tell me how to install xulrunner on CHINOOK | 16:52 |
| qos_ | ||cw, and the rest of the behavoir ... perhaps there are recommendations or bugs i don't know about | 16:52 |
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| sinak | ||cw have you tried running N800 without battery but while charging? | 16:57 |
| ||cw | i have a 770, but I don't thing it would run without battery | 16:58 |
| sinak | :-/ | 16:59 |
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| sinak | is there a vlc player for N800? | 17:07 |
| qos_ | sinak, i heard about a console one ... but no gui | 17:08 |
| qos_ | sinak, in general no | 17:09 |
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| sinak | i see | 17:09 |
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| lardman | What on Earth is that email going on about - parish councils?! | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 17:12 |
| lardman | I should really email and say he means County Councils, but I don't want to stoke the flames any more | 17:12 |
| lardman | :) | 17:13 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, you do realize you can change the presets, right? The presets are designed to A. work well when streamed and B. Generally be compatible with the 770. It'll take you all of two minutes to set your own. :/ | 17:13 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, ping. | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: ping request timed out. | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | jitu3485: I grabbed a fennec that pulls a xulrunner, the other day; from blassey on people.mozilla plus extras-devel and sdk repo for dependencies | 17:13 |
| sp3000 | depends on what you're looking for I suppose | 17:14 |
| GAN800 | s/ping/pong/ | 17:14 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: X-Fade, pong. | 17:14 |
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| jitu3485 | sp3000, i want to run xul application in CHINOOK | 17:15 |
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| summatusmentis | morning all | 17:26 |
| florian | hi summatusmentis | 17:28 |
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| qwerty12 | afternoon summatusmentis | 17:28 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: is it 3:30 there? | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :) | 17:30 |
| summatusmentis | you're in the same time zone as my GSoC mentor | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Cool | 17:30 |
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| summatusmentis | lol, I guess... just commenting | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | I planned on booting up windows but GRUB decided to launch me into linux. | 17:32 |
| * qwerty12 gets that off my chest | 17:32 | |
| * qwerty12 says random things | 17:32 | |
| summatusmentis | I planned on sleeping last night, but instead my gf got all weird on me | 17:33 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, way to make the channel go silent | 17:37 |
| johnx | :P | 17:37 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: can we fill in `weird' ourselfs? | 17:38 |
| Atarii | lol | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12 is reminded of Gucci Mane - Freaky Gurl | 17:38 | |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12 or johnx, can either of you reproduce with blanking bug? | 17:39 |
| GAN800 | s/with/my/ | 17:39 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: qwerty12 or johnx, can either of you reproduce my blanking bug? | 17:39 |
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| johnx | GAN800, link? | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 17:40 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 | 17:40 |
| johnx | yes, I've run into that | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | I remember that happening once on a file hoster site (and you know the amount of ads they carry) | 17:41 |
| aquatix | o/` She's a superfreak, superfreak, she's superfreakeeey o/` | 17:41 |
| * aquatix runs | 17:41 | |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: I... oh... well, feel free, but it wasn't a good thing :) | 17:42 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: my apologies | 17:42 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: awww :) | 17:42 |
| GAN800 | Can you stick a comment in there to that effect? | 17:42 |
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| johnx | summatusmentis, sorry, I was just being mean... :( | 17:42 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: she's 1/2 way across the country :) | 17:42 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, I hope everything worked out | 17:42 |
| aquatix | GAN800: i have that with the rss reader now and then | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, She A Very Freaky Girl Dont Bring Her To Mamma, First You Get Her Name Then You Get Her Number, Then You Get Some Brain In The Front Seat Of The Hummer | 17:42 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: no worries, mean-ness is warrated when the discussion is mercilessly killed, dragged out back, and buried | 17:43 |
| lardman | keesj: I recommend Tesseract, no perfect but certainly far better than ocrad or gocr | 17:43 |
| johnx | GAN800, I had the problem on google.com | 17:43 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: i don't think i'm familiar with that rap :) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Heh :) | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | pimp my url ;) | 17:43 |
| GAN800 | aquatix, Diablo? | 17:43 |
| aquatix | GAN800: nope, plain released os2008 | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, Is it ok if I don't include a URL where it happened? I don't remember exact URL but I can confirm it | 17:44 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: it's a good thing you're not familiar w/ the rap, it's probably bad if qwerty12 likes it >_> | 17:44 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: *g* | 17:44 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, yeah, that's fine. | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, was the microb updated in 4.2008.23-14? | 17:47 |
| GAN800 | Yes. | 17:47 |
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| GAN800 | 'Maemo community is the sum of developers working openly on the Maemo platform and compatible applications. It includes users of Maemo software with different levels of experience and expertise, interested in all kinds of collaboration and contributions to the project.' | 17:49 |
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| * johnx claps | 17:49 | |
| RST38h | Koreans develop smelly, blushing penguin-droid! | 17:49 |
| GAN800 | lol, which is it? <_< | 17:49 |
| dmz | howdy everyone, anyone here know how to get gpecalendar to display a full calendar day (mine stops @ 10pm and I can't seem to get my late night appointments opened) | 17:50 |
| johnx | GAN800, who cares? it *sounds* good. :D | 17:50 |
| GAN800 | Not to my ear. :P | 17:50 |
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| macoute | anyone using agps-ui? | 17:51 |
| johnx | GAN800, just stick an 'or' in the middle, and a 'use whichever description you feel like' at the end | 17:51 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, notmyjob | 17:51 |
| johnx | GAN800, an even better answer :) | 17:51 |
| lardman | dmz: iirc in the settings you could change when the days starts, etc,. | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, done | 17:51 |
| lardman | dmz: that may not be precise enough for you though, sorry | 17:52 |
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| hullfandan | Does anyone know of any projects or people using (or trying to use) USB Bluetooth adapters in USB host mode in Maemo? | 17:54 |
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| summatusmentis | macoute: I've looked at it | 17:55 |
| macoute | summatusmentis: did it worked for you? | 17:55 |
| macoute | and which tablet are you using? | 17:55 |
| summatusmentis | it seeemd to, but I had to poke at where I was, and then it worked, didn't like finding my location based on network | 17:55 |
| summatusmentis | I'm on an n810 | 17:55 |
| macoute | im too on n810 and it surely doesnt help me getting a fix any faster... | 17:56 |
| Mikho_ | hullfandan, why do you need a bluetooth adapter in maemo? | 17:56 |
| summatusmentis | macoute: part of that might be weather, it saw sats faster for me | 17:56 |
| macoute | summatusmentis: it did? are you running some special kernel? | 17:57 |
| macoute | and you did need to point your location yourself? | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | kernel dont have nothing to do with gps | 17:57 |
| summatusmentis | I did have to point to my location myself, not running a special kernel | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | + you can't run it on N810 anyway | 17:57 |
| macoute | it really should have something to do (drivers)? | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | All that is handled by gpsdriver & gpsd iirc | 17:58 |
| macoute | could someone verify that it can find a location on a n810 only using wifi/packet data | 17:58 |
| hullfandan | Mikho, I want to use multiple class 1 bluetooth devices, not just the built in class 2 bluetooth addapter | 17:58 |
| macoute | qwerty12: could be | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | diablo updates itself? | 17:58 |
| macoute | qwerty12: for you it does find its location? | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | macoute, N800 here | 17:59 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, SSU | 17:59 |
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| macoute | qwerty12: yeah, but it does? (or do you even have a gps dongle?) | 17:59 |
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| macoute | well actually it should find its location without the gps too :) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | macoute, How can it if the N800 has no GPS? | 17:59 |
| macoute | approximate location, that is | 17:59 |
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| macoute | qwerty12: external gps | 18:00 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: weird... I wasn't expecting that | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | macoute, I very much doubt it works with an external GPS (which works a lot better than the N810 anyway) | 18:00 |
| macoute | qwerty12: and it is A-GPS, so IIRC it shouldnt use gps at all | 18:00 |
| * wnd giggles | 18:00 | |
| bmidgle1 | argh, my ubuntu machine crashes when doing the 'echo 0 > sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled' | 18:00 |
| bmidgle1 | required by the sdk | 18:01 |
| summatusmentis | wait, it said it's gonna reboot, will that break my initfs? | 18:01 |
| hullfandan | I have already reflashed a 770 with OS2007 hacker edition with usb host mode enabled. And also built a power injector to provide USB devices with the 5v that the 770 can't provide. I now need to set up drivers/BlueZ to use the usb adapter instead of the internal one if possible | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | bmidgle1, create a new line in menu.lst with vdso=0 and see if it boots fine | 18:01 |
| bmidgle1 | qwerty12 thanks, will try that | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, It doesn't flash the initfs if it's too big (which it is) | 18:02 |
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| dmz | lardman the problem i guess i'm having is i don't see a settings option for gpecalendar | 18:02 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: so it'll be fine then | 18:02 |
| lardman | dmz, I'm just going from memory, so won't be much more help I'm afraid | 18:02 |
| macoute | but i doesnt even understand how can it use wifi to find its location, the agps | 18:02 |
| macoute | iirc wifi standards do not say anything about location-awareness | 18:03 |
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| summatusmentis | macoute: it's ip based, it tells you roughly where you're located, and then the gps takes over, getting a better lock on sats that are closer, iirc | 18:03 |
| macoute | summatusmentis: so Ãt _that_ rough. ok | 18:04 |
| macoute | packet data should get a more precise guess? | 18:04 |
| macoute | if its not using only ip too? | 18:04 |
| summatusmentis | I don't know that much about it | 18:05 |
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| macoute | from wikipedia: The Assistance Server can locate the phone roughly by what cell site it is connected to on the cellular network. | 18:05 |
| macoute | so it should get a pretty precise appoximation :) | 18:06 |
| summatusmentis | there's no cell connection | 18:06 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: it's just sitting aththe Nokia screen now... | 18:06 |
| macoute | why not? i mean the packet data | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Happened to me once and once only | 18:06 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what'd you do? | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | reflashed :/ | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Anyway, someone a jffs2 expert here? | 18:07 |
| summatusmentis | well crap. Is there a way to re-flash to diablo? | 18:08 |
| macoute | no | 18:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Chinook > Diablo | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | crap | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Anyway, can jffs2 images be "compressed" | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | I need to fix my initfs, at least | 18:08 |
| macoute | qwerty12: isnt jffs a compressed fs? | 18:08 |
| macoute | so compressing wouldnt help much | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | macoute, yes it is but Nokia chinook rootfs's are ~120MB but a rootfs dumped off my device with just diablo installed comes to 251MB >.< | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I don't know if I have a chance in hell of flashing that | 18:09 |
| macoute | qwerty12: it should compress when you dump it back to jffs2-filesystem | 18:10 |
| macoute | dont know nothing about that, but it is "automatical" in a compressed filesystem, if i got what you meant | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Good point actually, I don't know if it is actually jffs2 or just named rootfs.jffs2 | 18:10 |
| macoute | so copying a file from ext2 to jffs2 ends up making that smaller | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | I believe flash is ~251MB and I think it dumped all of that. I'll just have to see when I mess up diablo and try reflashing this rootfs | 18:11 |
| johnx | qwerty12, or just run file | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, thx, "backup/rootfs.jffs2: Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian" | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds good to me, I think it dumped /everything/ including blank space | 18:12 |
| johnx | interesting | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, well, if this works, goodbye to the apt-get method of installing diablo for me everytime I mess up | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | And if this doesn't work, I can use a cloning script to mount up / to /opt and use that mtd-utils that I compiled (thanks to fanoush's source) ^-^ | 18:17 |
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| bmidgle1 | qwerty12 that worked... i'm back in business | 18:21 |
| bmidgle1 | or will be after another 10 steps | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Great | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | I blame the hardy release of ubuntu. Setting up sbox in gutsy was a breeze | 18:21 |
| bmidgle1 | qwerty12 any other gotchas? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | the mmap value: Thanks to inz: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/ | 18:22 |
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| qwerty12 | If that mmap value isn't lowered, then installing the sbox results in a lot of errors during the apt-get process (I made my mmap value permanent using sysctl) | 18:23 |
| inz | qwerty, I think any distro running 2.6.24 (or newer) will hit the same mmap problem | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, (I'm sorry ubuntu for just blaming you, will flowers make it up?) | 18:24 |
| inz | =) | 18:24 |
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| summatusmentis | he left :-/ | 18:26 |
| lardman | probably crashed | 18:27 |
| bmidgle1 | ubuntu took him out | 18:27 |
| lardman | compiler flags and various #pragmas made sbc marginally faster - I can hear a couple of seconds now | 18:28 |
| lardman | but I need to alter the code now | 18:29 |
| bmidgle1 | lardman did you find the old version ok? | 18:29 |
| lardman | yes thanks | 18:29 |
| lardman | I'm reading the sbc spec doc for an overview | 18:29 |
| bmidgle1 | have you been able to dig up enough about the dsp to recode stuff? | 18:29 |
| lardman | oh there's loads of info about what to do on the DSP, just no worked examples | 18:30 |
| bmidgle1 | the spec is funny... it looks like they wrote in a bunch of inefficiencies so they could sell an "optimized" version | 18:30 |
| lardman | lots of tips about what sorts of loops to produce, etc., so just a case of working out what the code does and see if I can re-write it | 18:30 |
| lardman | :) | 18:30 |
| lardman | I'm looking at intrinsics atm, parallel multiplies & other ops | 18:31 |
| * GAN800 guesses he should start transitioning wikipedia to the new trademark/naming scheme. | 18:31 | |
| Toba_ | o_o? | 18:31 |
| bmidgle1 | lardman have you written for a dsp before? | 18:31 |
| lardman | nope | 18:32 |
| lardman | all a learning experience :) | 18:32 |
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| bmidgle1 | heh good job | 18:32 |
| lardman | well you've got to start somewhere hey!? :) | 18:32 |
| megosdog | Hi there. Does anyone konw if the Nokia N810 has a 2gb limit on flash cards? I'm using an adapter for the MiniSD slot so I can use a MicroSD card in the unit. Problem is, the largest MicroSD card I can use is a 2gb. | 18:33 |
| megosdog | I'd like to use an 8gb if possible. | 18:33 |
| lardman | hmm, no I've got a 4Gb card iitc | 18:33 |
| lardman | iirc | 18:33 |
| lcuk | megosdog, i beleive you need the SDHC variety | 18:34 |
| bmidgle1 | megosdog some 4gb cards are not sdhc | 18:34 |
| lardman | ah | 18:34 |
| megosdog | Hmm, well all I've got is 2gb and 8gb cards. The 8gb cards are all SDHC. | 18:34 |
| * lcuk waves \o | 18:34 | |
| GAN800 | Hardware limit is 2048GB | 18:34 |
| Toba_ | aka REALLY BIG | 18:34 |
| * Toba_ wants to get a 16GB SDHC card... do such things exist? | 18:34 | |
| johnx | current driver limit is probably 32GB | 18:34 |
| * lcuk facepalms @ darius emails | 18:34 | |
| Toba_ | I've only seen 8gb ones | 18:34 |
| nn800n | i don't think so | 18:34 |
| nn800n | unless it's specifically microSD | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | 16GB SDHC cards exist | 18:35 |
| summatusmentis | Toba_: I've been looking for one too, can't find one | 18:35 |
| nn800n | i'm using a 16 Gb + an 8 Gb one, but SD | 18:35 |
| Toba_ | GAN800: really? | 18:35 |
| megosdog | Well, as I said, I'm using an SDHC MicroSD card via a MiniSD adapter. | 18:35 |
| megosdog | Could it maybe be my adapter? | 18:36 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: oh, I suppose that's true, the mini/micro sdhc ones don't | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Toba_, of course, but SDHC is the spec and says nothing about the card's dimensions. | 18:36 |
| johnx | megosdog, the adapter is just a piece of plastic and metal, but if it doesn't make the connection well, that could be a problem | 18:36 |
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| GAN800 | The question you want to ask is, Do 16GB MicroSD/MiniSD/SD cards exist? | 18:36 |
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| lardman | lcuk, lol | 18:37 |
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| summatusmentis | and the answer to which, is no | 18:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 16gb sd cards exist | 18:37 |
| GAN800 | For MicroSD/MiniSD | 18:37 |
| summatusmentis | no micor/mini sd ones | 18:37 |
| summatusmentis | oh, I missed the SD at the end | 18:38 |
| GAN800 | 32GB SD cards exist. | 18:38 |
| summatusmentis | s/micor/micro/ | 18:38 |
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| * GAN800 nees to figure out how to write the new intro for the Maemo article. . . . | 18:38 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart chkdsk | 18:39 |
| * infobot holds chkdsk to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails | 18:39 | |
| megosdog | Ok, so if the unit can read 8gb cards, I should try again and see if it works? | 18:39 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: can I pm you? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, if you wish but expect slow replies | 18:40 |
| summatusmentis | no worries, just a simple q | 18:40 |
| lardman | megosdog, see what dmesg says about it | 18:40 |
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| megosdog | lardman: Ok. Does dmesg work the same on the N810 as it does on linux? | 18:41 |
| megosdog | I know the N810 is Linux powered, but I wasn't sure if a few adaptations were made or not. | 18:42 |
| summatusmentis | it should | 18:42 |
| megosdog | ok. Let me check. | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | Is it the Maemo wiki or maemo.org wiki (latter makes more sense)? Maemo bugzilla or maemo.org bugzilla (former makes more sense)? :/ | 18:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've never thought of Maemo as maemo.org. | 18:44 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, | 18:45 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, you paying attention to the wiki? | 18:45 |
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| lardman | GAN800: depends on whether your adjective describes belonging or location | 18:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No, tbh. (unless you mean the logo contest?) | 18:45 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, then do. ;) lardman, I'm thinking for an external link on wikipedia. | 18:46 |
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| GAN800 | i.e., the proper name. | 18:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | maybe | 18:47 |
| lardman | maemo.org wiki I'd say | 18:47 |
| lardman | but the bugtracker is probably Maemo | 18:47 |
| lardman | Maemo bugtracker at maemo.org | 18:47 |
| lardman | :) | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | lol | 18:47 |
| n800m | logo contest? | 18:49 |
| lardman | I'm off, sbc spec to digest. See you all later on | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Bye lardman | 18:51 |
| megosdog | lardman: Ok, works now. I wonder why it didn't work before. Weird. | 18:51 |
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| megosdog | Ok, next question of the day. How do I change which program is used to load a given file? I've added mplayer and would prefer that be used to load videos rather than the default player. | 18:53 |
| pupnik | that could be made easier imo | 18:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | search for dbus-switchboard | 18:54 |
| pupnik | whoah nice qwerty12_N800 | 18:54 |
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| megosdog | dbus? | 18:54 |
| pupnik | ah no hildon-y UI yet | 18:54 |
| pupnik | How To : Associate MPlayer, Transmission, and other apps as default handler | 18:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757 | 18:55 |
| unique311 | maemo.org, why not just maemo (logo contest...) | 18:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I just think maemo.org sounds shit compared to Maemo. | 18:57 |
| megosdog | Ah, thanks pupnik! | 18:57 |
| unique311 | I already have the winner..... | 18:57 |
| unique311 | but without .org | 18:57 |
| unique311 | lol | 18:57 |
| unique311 | so i'm fecked | 18:58 |
| pupnik | thanks to pipeline | 18:58 |
| pupnik | cheers unique311 | 18:58 |
| GAN800 | unique311, read the Task:Maemo brand page. . . . | 18:58 |
| unique311 | whats up pupnik | 18:58 |
| unique311 | i did | 18:58 |
| pupnik | not much good news here | 18:58 |
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| lopz | hola | 19:13 |
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| johnx | hi | 19:14 |
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| macoute | my agps-ui surely doesnt work | 19:20 |
| macoute | or then i have some serious problems with the gps itself | 19:21 |
| macoute | it sees 10-12 satellites but wont get a connect with one of them | 19:21 |
| macoute | and i was standing on a bridge with wide open sky and i rebooted | 19:21 |
| macoute | it still takes from 5 minutes to infinity | 19:21 |
| jumpula | to the infinity and beyond! | 19:22 |
| megosdog | Does anyone know of a better quality battery meter than the one that comes with the unit? The default one's ability to guess the power remaining leaves a lot to be desired. | 19:22 |
| pupnik | keep working on it | 19:22 |
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| qwerty12 | megosdog, battery-status (www.nitapps.com) and if you are technically inclined, kcbatt | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 19:24 |
| summatusmentis | hi Khertan | 19:24 |
| megosdog | thanks | 19:25 |
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| pdx-jacques | Hi all, first time #maemo visitor here. I'm trying to get the SDK up and running and having some issues. Do I need to chroot to the maemo/etch dist folder before using sb2? | 19:26 |
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| Khertan | re | 19:26 |
| summatusmentis | hi again Khertan :) | 19:26 |
| pupnik | pdx-jacques: i go to /scratchbox and start with ./login | 19:26 |
| Khertan | 3g network is unstable today in paris | 19:27 |
| johnx | pupnik, is this in sb2 or sb1? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik, Not with SB2 | 19:27 |
| pupnik | oh | 19:27 |
| pupnik | sb1 here i guess | 19:27 |
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| pdx-jacques | I'm following the wiki directions with 4.0 & sb2 | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | (although for reference "scratchbox" works fine instead of cd'ing and running ./login) | 19:27 |
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| pupnik | oh ty | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | wtf? my n810 just rebooted halfway through diablo install | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | and now we're in a reboot loop | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | yay! | 19:28 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, you forgot to turn on no-lifeguard-reset? | 19:28 |
| Micheal | mine just started rebooting while connecting to my wifi | 19:28 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: oh... probably | 19:28 |
| Micheal | every time I try to connect, it freezes up and restarts | 19:29 |
| johnx | Micheal, hmm...well that doesn't sound good. | 19:29 |
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| Micheal | clearing the device doesn't even help | 19:29 |
| pdx-jacques | I'm trying to run apt-get update, and it's telling me it can't lock the list directory (no such file). I've made sure my user owns the folder and trashed the lock file, but still the same error. | 19:29 |
| johnx | did it always do this? when did it start? | 19:29 |
| Micheal | just today | 19:29 |
| Micheal | worked fine yesterday | 19:29 |
| Micheal | nothing installed or downloaded in that time | 19:29 |
| Micheal | plenty of free memory | 19:29 |
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| Micheal | i just did a "clear device" and that didnt even help | 19:30 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: I forgot that an RD mode :) | 19:30 |
| Micheal | although I wonder how clear the device is when the sound themes package doesnt get wiped | 19:31 |
| johnx | Micheal, clear device? you mean a reflash or something else? | 19:31 |
| Micheal | no while in control panel, there is an option to clear device | 19:31 |
| summatusmentis | but now it's just sitting... wonderful | 19:31 |
| Micheal | which is supposed to reset it to factory | 19:31 |
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| Micheal | which really doesn't as it didnt clear my aftermarket themes, etc | 19:31 |
| johnx | Micheal, probably just wiped your user's settings | 19:33 |
| Micheal | im beginning to wonder if it isn't being caused by a theme conflict | 19:33 |
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| Micheal | ahh got it to connect w/o restarting but now it's slow as molassas | 19:34 |
| Micheal | damn..there it goes | 19:34 |
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| summatusmentis | alright, this should work now... I'm gonna go eat | 19:38 |
| macoute | Micheal: you should reflash the device | 19:39 |
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| Micheal | Im thinking thats about my only choice | 19:39 |
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| Micheal | but I was hoping I could figure out what caused the issue so it doesnt happen again | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | so, I think I'm narrowing down my problem with sb2. If I run it and do `touch test` in my home folder, it's fine, but | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | `cd /var` | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | `touch test` | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | gives | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | touch: cannot touch `test': Read-only file system | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | And my user owns the maemo dist folder... | 19:39 |
| pdx-jacques | oops, sorry bot the multiline spam | 19:39 |
| johnx | that might just be the way it works | 19:41 |
| johnx | I'm not certain about how different directories are "mapped" in sb2...it's a little confusing | 19:41 |
| pdx-jacques | well, it's causing apt-get to fail, so I'm not getting very far just yet | 19:41 |
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| Micheal | has anyone had problems getting "battle for wesnoth" to run on their 810? | 19:42 |
| pdx-jacques | The -d options shows "SBOX_TOOLS_ROOT = /opt/maemo/dists/etch", the directory I have full rights to. | 19:42 |
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| GAN800 | Michael, enable swap. | 19:44 |
| Micheal | im fairly certain it is | 19:44 |
| Micheal | but im flashing right now so next time I install it I will double check | 19:45 |
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| GAN800 | Then check that your internal card isn't corrupted (partition table ships oversized on the N810, so it probably is), and that nothing is nuking the cpu in the background. | 19:45 |
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| Micheal | How do I check the internal card? | 19:48 |
| GAN800 | There's an article on interner tablet school about it. | 19:49 |
| Micheal | ahh I will check | 19:49 |
| GAN800 | s/interner/internet/ | 19:49 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: There's an article on internet tablet school about it. | 19:49 |
| Micheal | Is that on the maemo site? | 19:49 |
| pdx-jacques | Ok, same problem I described above while running sb2 as root. | 19:49 |
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| kulve | hmm.. does 2008os support "Audio/Video" bluetooth devices? | 19:52 |
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| GAN800 | Michael, google is your friend. | 19:58 |
| Micheal | yes it is | 19:59 |
| Micheal | already found it | 19:59 |
| Micheal | thanks | 19:59 |
| lardman | kulve: how do you mean? a2dp ones? | 20:00 |
| kulve | lardman: I have a bt speaker and I can pair it as "audio/video device". But how do I get the audio there? If I pair my bt headset, the Media Player plays the audio to the headset automatically | 20:01 |
| lardman | hmm, what do the speakers advertise themselves as> | 20:02 |
| lardman | ? | 20:02 |
| kulve | with this bt speaker paired, the media player still plays the audio from the n80x speakers | 20:02 |
| kulve | how do I see that? | 20:02 |
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| lardman | My a2dp headset also does normal (phone-style) mono and I get auto-sound output from them | 20:02 |
| lardman | Good question, what does the pairing dialog show them to be? | 20:03 |
| kulve | in bt "Device details" the "Device type" is "Audio/Video" | 20:03 |
| kulve | and supported profiles is empty.. | 20:03 |
| lardman | Otherwise hciscan or somesuch will tell you the supported BT profiles | 20:03 |
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| kulve | hmm.. According to the manual it suppots "bt Advanced audio distribution" and "bt audio/video remote control" | 20:04 |
| kulve | or n8x0 should support those for this to work | 20:04 |
| lardman | bt Advanced audio distribution = a2dp | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | "bt audio/video remote control" - I would assume that to be AVRCP (spelling) | 20:04 |
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| qwerty12 | If it doesn't do Mono, then pair it and use johnx's a2dp-support | 20:06 |
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| johnx | or edit like 2 files on your own :) | 20:07 |
| lardman | kulve: you need Headset Profile (HSP) | 20:07 |
| lardman | kulve: for it to work out-of-the-box | 20:07 |
| kulve | I think that doesn't have hsp.. | 20:07 |
| kulve | ok, but editing whose two files it should work? | 20:07 |
| lardman | well yes, a2dp support is the only way then | 20:07 |
| kulve | what's the files? | 20:07 |
| lardman | I'd install the scripts that johnx produced | 20:07 |
| pdx-jacques | Ugh, I just remembered that sb2-init also failed for me on checking the ability to compile, but still reports overall success. Can this get any more confusing? | 20:07 |
| lardman | I'll find the url for you | 20:08 |
| johnx | pdx-jacques, never ask that. O_o | 20:08 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp deb attachment to the first post | 20:08 |
| pdx-jacques | heh. I've been trying to get sb2 working for some time now, it's nothing but trouble so far. Does anyone here use it extensively? | 20:09 |
| lardman | what package contains hciscan? | 20:10 |
| * qwerty12 would just scrap sb2 and get sb1 with qemu-arm-cvs and cs2008 toolchain | 20:10 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, bluez-utils-test iirc | 20:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12: thanks | 20:10 |
| * pdx-jacques was just trying to follow the "suggested" sdk directions :P | 20:11 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, no wait it doesn't :/. unless you mean "hcitool scan"? | 20:11 |
| pdx-jacques | I will give sb1 a try | 20:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12: hcitool at least, cheers | 20:11 |
| lardman | kulve: If you start using a2dp, you might be encouraged to look at the sbc code and how to optimise it to get it running in real time on the DSP | 20:12 |
| lardman | dsp-sbc | 20:12 |
| lardman | for the Garage project | 20:12 |
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| kulve | lardman: I've followed you posts but unfortunaly I'm pretty sure I can't optimize things like that.. | 20:14 |
| lardman | kulve: well I'm going to have a go, never say never and all that :) | 20:14 |
| lardman | once I sort that out, using a2dp will be less processor intensive and may be better for the battery | 20:15 |
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| kulve | alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1158:(bluetooth_cfg) Error 22 while configuring device | 20:19 |
| kulve | I tried with mplayer | 20:20 |
| lardman | yeah, probably need to restart the device | 20:20 |
| lardman | then enable a2dp again | 20:20 |
| lardman | it can be a bit touchy | 20:20 |
| johnx | kulve, if you haven't already rebooted that's definitely the problem | 20:21 |
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| kulve | hmm.. still same thing | 20:23 |
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| lardman | kulve: it can be a pita | 20:25 |
| lardman | kulve: I spent 15min this morning turning this on then that off, etc., to get my headphones to work | 20:25 |
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| kulve | :/ | 20:26 |
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| rdorsch | Hello, do I have to configure anything to attach headphones to the headphone jack on the N800 or N810?? | 20:28 |
| kulve | bo | 20:29 |
| kulve | no | 20:29 |
| rdorsch | I connected my N800 to my JBL on Stage III and got just a doc-doc-doc-doc-doc out of it?! | 20:29 |
| rdorsch | I connected headphones and I hear only something on my left ear. | 20:29 |
| johnx | did you press them all the way in | 20:30 |
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| johnx | one pair of mine require a little force to get seated all the way | 20:30 |
| johnx | otherwise I only hear one channel | 20:30 |
| rdorsch | yes, the same here. MANY THANKS | 20:30 |
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| johnx | sure. :) so it's working for you now? | 20:33 |
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| lardman | kulve: probably user error, I need to know the exact way to pair them and get them working, etc. | 20:35 |
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| macoute | was it so that in mmpc you cant choose output devices? | 20:41 |
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| macoute | i would like to choose whether i want to listen directly from a tablet or locally | 20:41 |
| macoute | or both, sometimes maybe | 20:41 |
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| macoute | or do i need to run two instances of mpd on server so that the other streams, other one works as a remote controller? | 20:42 |
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| kulve | lardman: I paired it through the bt icon in the statusbar, -> new -> click -> pin -> set as trusted (default) | 20:44 |
| kulve | I think I didn't do anything else. Actually I did pair it again while testing something.. | 20:44 |
| kulve | the speaker is still loading for the first time but I think it should be ready for action any way.. | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i might be interested in giving a hand with regarding debian - my interests are a base debian with console output working, with usb net working as a base installation to have a core platform | 20:51 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, great! | 20:51 |
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| johnx | Some other people have come forward and said they're interested too | 20:52 |
| johnx | we're talking about which direction to go in a thread on itt (and it's actually on-topic so far) | 20:52 |
| johnx | let me grab a link... | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i just read one of them | 20:52 |
| johnx | ah, the "continuing development..." one? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:53 |
| johnx | ok, cool | 20:53 |
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| johnx | what I'd like to do is just use debootstrap and have some scripts or packages that applied tablet specific hacks, rather than distributing a whole rootfs.tar | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, debootstrap on a desktop machine or on n800? | 20:54 |
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| johnx | first stage on a desktop for now | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i was fighting a bit with debootstrap - stuff like md5sum doesn't exist ;) | 20:54 |
| johnx | second stage on the tablet, chrooted from os2008 | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, not everyone runs a form of unix to debootstrap with | 20:55 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, noted | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: vmware player | 20:55 |
| johnx | I'd like to get it running natively on the tablet | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | minimal linux dist that can debootstrap | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:55 |
| Micheal | ok wow. it still reboots every time I try to connect to wifi, even after a flashing the OS | 20:55 |
| johnx | I mean really, what's up with a linux machine that's not self hosting? | 20:55 |
| johnx | Micheal, ugh O_o | 20:55 |
| Micheal | this just blows my mind | 20:56 |
| johnx | Micheal, that sounds like a defective unit | 20:56 |
| Micheal | i even reformatted the internal memory card | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: first step is (in my mind), a script that constructs a tarball with the console active and maybe usbnet | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Micheal, Tried a different AP? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | that would be a good starting point | 20:56 |
| Micheal | seems odd that I would have this unit for six months w/o an issue then suddenly wifi went nuts | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | luck^: ping? | 20:56 |
| Micheal | access point? | 20:56 |
| Micheal | no I haven't | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, not "maybe usbnet", definately | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:56 |
| Micheal | but why would it matter really? | 20:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, It might be just as easy to make that a package | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | what does enabling console consist of? | 20:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, modprobing a couple modules | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:57 |
| johnx | and echo 1 > /sys/... | 20:57 |
| johnx | a deb with modules and a deb with an init script would make a lot of sense | 20:58 |
| johnx | in the meantime, a .tar.gz with modules and an init script are a start | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | and a svn with a script that constructs this | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | on a desktop machine | 20:59 |
| johnx | hmm? constructs what? | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | well runs debootstrap into a directory, puts in the init script/modules and tars it :P | 20:59 |
| johnx | hmm | 21:00 |
| johnx | since the second part needs to happen on the tablet anyways... | 21:00 |
| johnx | my current workflow: (desktop) stage 1 debootstrap onto sd card in reader -> (tablet) stage 2 debootstrap onto sd card in tablet -> hacks | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | well one stage could be on desktop, second could be on tablet (cp'ing in needed modules), and then second stage debootstrap | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 21:01 |
| johnx | no need to tar it for personal use | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, i don't have a sd card reader at home, so | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
| johnx | as a bonus you can use the n800 as your card reader :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. excepting n800 | 21:01 |
| konttori | any cool applications developed / ported recently? | 21:01 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, way ahead of you :D | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | so where is the console hack in the file system of the beta3 debian? | 21:03 |
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| johnx | in init.d/tablet-utils | 21:03 |
| johnx | all tablet specific stuff is supposed to be there | 21:03 |
| johnx | but the info on how to do it is from fanoush | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:04 |
| johnx | the modules are available from a separate thread if you want | 21:04 |
| Atarii | does rdesktop work in 2008? | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: sure? | 21:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | fanoush's module pack & fb_update_mode | 21:05 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=bootsplash | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: you already made tablet-utils deb though? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | (browsing through tar.gz) | 21:09 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well, that package is from somewhere else | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:10 |
| johnx | I modified some of the scripts after installing it | 21:10 |
| johnx | I need to provide proper patches to it | 21:10 |
| konttori | hmm.. python-hildondesktop packages are still not in the chinook extras | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think they are under different name | 21:12 |
| konttori | really? | 21:13 |
| konttori | ah. any idea what name? | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hildon-desktop-python-loader | 21:13 |
| macoute | i had problems a second ago with diablos python-hildondesktop | 21:13 |
| macoute | i have it installed but some prog wouldnt install because it is "missing" | 21:13 |
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| n800m | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/camspace-creates-a-wii-for-everyone-minus-the-nintendo-console/ | 21:14 |
| konttori | nope. in : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages | 21:14 |
| konttori | you can only find dependencies to hildon-desktop-python-loader | 21:14 |
| konttori | (and python-hildondesktop) | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: a script could also get around some closed-source things (if it was an installer on the n800, and maybe just loaded directly from firmware?) - not sure what the view on this is since it is debian afterall :P | 21:16 |
| johnx | yes | 21:16 |
| johnx | a cleaner way to do that is on the TODO list | 21:16 |
| johnx | well...my mental TODO list | 21:16 |
| johnx | maybe I should write that out and post it somewhere :) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps ;) | 21:17 |
| johnx | tomorrow | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | atleast a lean-and-mean but loginable dist is a good way to start, with scripts that construct the distribution (in one or more stages) | 21:17 |
| Atarii | n800m thats awesome | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | then an infrastructure of the OS can be built on top (xfce, or other packages) | 21:18 |
| n800m | pretty cool | 21:18 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, right | 21:19 |
| johnx | my first phase succeeded though: I got people's attention who would help with the second phase: doing it right :D | 21:19 |
| GAN800 | johnx, move Debian to maemowiki? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | i hacked a debian onto a mgb100 .. wifi harddrive. that was fun :P | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | All part of johnx's evil master plan muhahaha | 21:20 |
| johnx | GAN800, hmm...maybe? | 21:20 |
| johnx | that really struck me as stepping on toes | 21:20 |
| GAN800 | How so? | 21:21 |
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| johnx | debian is pretty much the definition of not-maemo at this point | 21:21 |
| GAN800 | It's the perfect place for it! | 21:21 |
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| GAN800 | wiki.maemo.org is a community thing | 21:21 |
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| GAN800 | Debian stuff is relevant to community interest.s | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, you could argue maemo uses deb package system | 21:22 |
| GAN800 | besides, there was way old Debian stuff on there already. | 21:22 |
| johnx | GAN800, I'll probably just put new documentation on maemo wiki then | 21:22 |
| johnx | you're right...I'd really like to see just one wiki/downloads page going forward | 21:22 |
| GAN800 | Woo | 21:22 |
| johnx | GAN800, no sense in moving the old stuff | 21:23 |
| GAN800 | So would I. ;) | 21:23 |
| johnx | with any luck it will be outdated soon | 21:23 |
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| johnx | I'll get a real start on this on the 18th | 21:24 |
| johnx | that's my day off :) | 21:24 |
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| NodeRazor | Hi everyone. | 21:26 |
| macoute | konttori: wasnt mmpc your software? | 21:26 |
| johnx | NodeRazor, hi | 21:26 |
| NodeRazor | Does any one knows why would Nokia 770 + OS 2008 Hacker Edition, would restart by it self ? | 21:26 |
| NodeRazor | It restarts more when I am using it on battery. | 21:27 |
| Atarii | is it a flesh install? | 21:27 |
| NodeRazor | YES | 21:27 |
| konttori | macoute: nope. | 21:27 |
| konttori | what's mmpc? | 21:27 |
| NodeRazor | You asking me? | 21:27 |
| Atarii | yea | 21:27 |
| NodeRazor | It's Nokia 770 | 21:27 |
| Atarii | what havve you installed? | 21:27 |
| johnx | NodeRazor, if it runs out of memory or one of the important daemons dies... | 21:27 |
| NodeRazor | bunch of stuff =D | 21:27 |
| NodeRazor | Well, I've just added 2gb card. | 21:28 |
| NodeRazor | card works good. | 21:28 |
| Atarii | memory on the internal | 21:28 |
| macoute | konttori: mpd client for maemo | 21:28 |
| NodeRazor | hold on let me see. | 21:28 |
| konttori | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:28 |
| macoute | konttori: nice software, but missing a couple of very important features | 21:29 |
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| NodeRazor | Device: 3.70mb | 21:29 |
| lcuk | Please give me your feedback! This will be trigger for me to know how much work I shall put into mmpc. The more feedback I get, the more motivation I will probably have ;-) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | macoute, ^^^ | 21:29 |
| macoute | lcuk: just saw the same line :) | 21:29 |
| NodeRazor | Removable Memory Card: 1.81gb | 21:29 |
| konttori | so, is it using the n810 as a remote to control a pc? | 21:30 |
| NodeRazor | Virtual Memory: 64mb | 21:30 |
| konttori | is it based on upnp control point? | 21:30 |
| NodeRazor | So, any idea why it would reboot by it self? | 21:31 |
| NodeRazor | Is that a bug in os 2008, that can be patched? | 21:31 |
| NodeRazor | Also, is there an original os 2008 from nokia? | 21:31 |
| Atarii | probably more likely something you have installed/uninstalled | 21:31 |
| RST38h | yawn | 21:32 |
| NodeRazor | yeah, it could be because I did not have this before. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | os2008 is not natively supported by the 770, the hacker edition is exactly that, for stability you may be better using one of the earlier OSes | 21:32 |
| lcuk | but if you have found a semi stable environment for your needs, great :) | 21:33 |
| NodeRazor | there alternative os for nokia 770 ? | 21:34 |
| Atarii | my advice is to reflash and start again NodeRazor | 21:35 |
| lcuk | 2005,2006,hacker 2007 | 21:35 |
| NodeRazor | no, I mean other os | 21:35 |
| NodeRazor | diferent distro | 21:35 |
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| macoute | konttori: yeah, kinda. but its not upnp | 21:35 |
| konttori | is there anything that's really much better than using vnc to control the pc? | 21:36 |
| macoute | its kind of an remote controller, but it also, with icecast-server is the best on-demand-music-streaming software. | 21:36 |
| macoute | konttori: yeah, surely. | 21:36 |
| konttori | ah. nice | 21:36 |
| macoute | or well, not just controlling, but to also stream | 21:37 |
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| macoute | konttori: actually, this is the feature im missing in tablet-encode and mediaserv (they were yours, correct?) | 21:37 |
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| macoute | so that a playlist so i can stream ondemand easily | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: was there a debian-nit irc channel? | 21:37 |
| macoute | and a stand-alone program to control that | 21:37 |
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| konttori | nope. I made media converter. | 21:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, not that I know of | 21:38 |
| konttori | I think jaffa made tablet-encode | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | since debian might be a bit stepping on toes of well, #maemo ;) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | (or i'm just paranoid) | 21:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it's been discussed here before | 21:39 |
| NodeRazor | how do I apply patches to nokia 770? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: k | 21:39 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, do you know any way to get our own IRC channel. I have no idea how to go about something like that... | 21:39 |
| GAN800 | Debian-maemo should be here, methinks. | 21:39 |
| GAN800 | johnx, /join #debian-maemo | 21:40 |
| Toba_ | yeah it's not hard | 21:40 |
| GAN800 | /msg chanserv register #debian-maemo | 21:40 |
| Toba_ | just join it, and then it's there | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone ever try running apps in debian from the maemo firmware images? i mean, we do the opposite for debian chroot ;) | 21:40 |
| johnx | cool, done | 21:40 |
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| GAN800 | But, personally, I'd like to see it discussed here. | 21:40 |
| GAN800 | I don't want to add another channel to my auto-join. | 21:41 |
| johnx | heh | 21:41 |
| GAN800 | and I suspect other people will be interested, too. | 21:41 |
| johnx | GAN800, fair enough | 21:42 |
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| johnx | plus, there is a #debian-maemo on irc.debian.org with a completely different focus | 21:42 |
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| GAN800 | Besides, it's not like we're on-topic in here anyway, and I'm sure a lot of the NIT Debian stuff is quite applicable to Maemo, too. | 21:43 |
| johnx | a good point actually | 21:44 |
| johnx | it will be very applicable to any 3rd party distro for the tablets | 21:44 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: So, any idea on how to push all developers with packages in extras to check/fix their autobuild? :) | 21:45 |
| johnx | X-Fade, heh...Have you looked at some of those packages? | 21:45 |
| X-Fade | It would be really a cool thing to have all packages building and automatically make them available for diablo. | 21:46 |
| johnx | I agree of course | 21:46 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Well, most source packges are done by developers with knowledge ;) | 21:47 |
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| X-Fade | All others upload without source :D | 21:47 |
| johnx | I have seen source packages that contain scripts like "make-deb" which go through running commands manually | 21:47 |
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| lardman | kulve: yeah my headphones are paired, and the BT icon is blue to say they are connected, but it's hit & miss whether when I run "a2dp enable" it actually works | 21:48 |
| lardman | kulve: when it does, the BT icon goes back to white (as it's not connected in headphone mode) | 21:48 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Well, eventually all these packages will remain and we can see what we do with them. Maybe these developers just need a little help. | 21:48 |
| derf | Dealing with build systems requires just as much specialized knowledge as writing code in the first place. | 21:49 |
| * johnx dreads making .debs... | 21:49 | |
| lardman | X-Fade, johnx: We still need a tutorial on how to package the debian way | 21:49 |
| johnx | lardman, yeah, there is on, on debian.org | 21:50 |
| derf | And not every developer will have both. | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Ehm, check the documentation section? | 21:50 |
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| lardman | johnx: that is too advanced really IMO | 21:50 |
| johnx | lardman, ha! agreed | 21:50 |
| johnx | *I* gave up on it | 21:50 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I've not looked recently, but will check again | 21:50 |
| lardman | As did I | 21:50 |
| lardman | I asked people and eventually worked out what works | 21:50 |
| lardman | that's the sort of tutorial we should have - assume no debian knowledge (unlike the debian docs) | 21:51 |
| derf | johnx, lardman: And after you did figure out what you were doing, I bet you didn't go back and try to make usable documentation. | 21:51 |
| johnx | derf, I told you. I gave up | 21:51 |
| johnx | honestly and truly | 21:51 |
| lardman | derf: indeed I didn't, but I'm happy to do so now | 21:51 |
| derf | lardman: Honestly I'd rather you hacked on Tremor some more :) | 21:51 |
| lardman | well not this minute, but asap | 21:51 |
| johnx | I'll come back to it when there are more hours in the day | 21:51 |
| lardman | derf: I'll get back to Tremor by the end of the week I think | 21:52 |
| derf | Really? Awesome. | 21:52 |
| lardman | yeah, doing the sbc one is good, more experience, I hope debugging Tremor will be easier now | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, I'd stick another announcement on itT. | 21:52 |
| lardman | bbiab | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | Also, would it be completely out of line to harvest the package maintainer's emails? :D | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | lardman: https://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I already have that list ;) | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: But let's see if we can get it forward without mass mailing. | 21:54 |
| Navi | Mmm, harvesting corn | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, we need to scare up some people to help with a 'software distribution for Maemo' guide. | 21:54 |
| Navi | I vote we make GAN800 do it himself | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | Cover Garage, Downloads, packaging, Extras(-devel), autobuilder, etc. | 21:55 |
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| GAN800 | I don't know enough to do it. :( Though I'd be happy to copyedit, organize, markup, etc. | 21:56 |
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| GAN800 | and it's something I'd like to see written from a very down-to-earth, assume-nothing perspective. | 21:57 |
| Navi | mmm | 21:57 |
| lardman | re | 21:57 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: MEG? | 21:57 |
| lardman | X-Fade: looking | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Or what shall we put that under. | 21:58 |
| derf | What you really need, instead of trying to teach every developer how to do everything, is to have dedicated people for packaging, etc. | 21:58 |
| * johnx starts to see why openembedded exists | 21:59 | |
| derf | Honestly, I know a lot of developers who _hate_ messing with the build system. | 21:59 |
| GAN800 | derf, you volunteering? :D That's a good plan, but sounds like a fulltime job. | 21:59 |
| derf | And I don't think really good documentation is going to fix that. | 21:59 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I take most of it back, that's really good. All it needs is how to use the .dsc + tar.gz + diff.gz combos we dowload - dpkg-source -x *.dsc, etc. | 21:59 |
| derf | GAN800: No, I think I'm one of those developers I just mentioned. | 21:59 |
| Navi | Making deb packages is a headache | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Packaging isn't rocket science ;) | 22:00 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 22:00 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: no, absolutely, it's just a distraction :) | 22:00 |
| lardman | unless you know how... | 22:00 |
| Navi | Even if you know how, unless you've mastered it | 22:00 |
| lardman | bit like Makefiles really ;) | 22:01 |
| Navi | it might as well be rocket science | 22:01 |
| X-Fade | lardman: If you have autotooled it properly, there is no problem at all ;) | 22:01 |
| derf | Rocket science isn't that hard if you know what you're doing. | 22:01 |
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| Navi | exactly :P | 22:01 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 22:02 |
| lardman | X-Fade: there's another word I hear about and I don't know how to do | 22:02 |
| derf | Packaging software is still hard even if you do know what you're doing. | 22:02 |
| Navi | depends on the packaging system | 22:02 |
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| derf | Well, anything involving autotools is hard. | 22:03 |
| derf | So that's pretty independent of the packaging system. | 22:03 |
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| derf | At least, judging by how often people screw it up. | 22:03 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that can be a pain. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | The problem is that the autotool-less example found in the HOWTO is not advertised enough | 22:13 |
| RST38h | It does not say anywhere in the docs that this is a special kind of setup, not does it say how to use it | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is a good comment, we need to log those somewhere. And see if we can do something about that. | 22:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I have a universal makefile for autotool-less build | 22:15 |
| RST38h | A moment | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Heh, cut&paste does not quite work ) | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | Sorry, just read another Darius comment. This guy really makes me smile ;) | 22:16 |
| lardman | more email? :) | 22:16 |
| kulve | alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1158:(bluetooth_cfg) Error 22 while configuring device | 22:16 |
| kulve | I've tried several times. Booted my devide and the speaker, no help. Fails always. | 22:17 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, this is why I want an overview. I think most of the important stuff is there, but we need to be able to find them. Having a good page to point developers to for Extras is nice, too. ;) | 22:17 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, you gonna join his Global Alliance? | 22:17 |
| GAN800 | Darius's Rebel Alliance | 22:18 |
| lardman | kulve: do you know what error 22 is off the top of your head? | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: But about extras,community repository and development. What category should we make in the wiki? Or namespace? | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | GAN: You are taking him way too seriously | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Sure, I was his first fan ;) | 22:18 |
| lardman | kulve: one of the E** defines | 22:18 |
| GAN800 | be back later | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i've gotten my n800 to do the debootstrapping on it's own (no desktop machine involved), intrigued? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | so far it's at retrieving stuff like adduser/apt etc | 22:19 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, you bet! | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | sec, putting it on a pastebin | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Hmm, IRCII does not let me paste the CFLAGS line =) | 22:19 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, great :D | 22:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, that is a good thing. You shouldn't paste such things ;) | 22:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You should record it in a wiki page :D | 22:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It is just one line | 22:20 |
| lardman | I'd go for the latter option myself ;) | 22:20 |
| lardman | regarding the email that is | 22:20 |
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| * RST38h does not believe in Wiki | 22:20 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://rafb.net/p/i5apSJ59.html | 22:21 |
| kulve | lardman: probably EINVAL: | 22:21 |
| kulve | alsa-init: playback open error: Invalid argument | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it uses perl atleast and python (may be rewritten in perl to work on stock n800) | 22:21 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, an interesting solution to md5sum O_o | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: it works. :P | 22:21 |
| * lcuk hopes autotools isnt a requirement for packaging | 22:21 | |
| * lcuk trembles | 22:22 | |
| Stskeeps | it is a nasty nasty hack and the real md5sum would be a lot better | 22:22 |
| johnx | if there is a real md5sum available...I think depending on it is reasonable | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | the --force-architecture is not needed on debootstrap install | 22:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it is not but you can't tell that from howtos | 22:22 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, we need bash too? | 22:23 |
| lardman | kulve: Without adding some printfs to the code I don't know I'm afraid | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i -think- so, not 100% sure | 22:23 |
| lcuk | good, cos i cant install autotools on the device | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i think i had trouble without it | 22:23 |
| kulve | lardman: np, I'll do some testing some other day.. | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | someone claimed debootstrap doesnt work with busybox | 22:24 |
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| lardman | kulve: ok, sorry I couldn't help | 22:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'm inclined to believe them :/ | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | *watches debootstrap roll by* | 22:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, anyways, this is good progress | 22:24 |
| johnx | I need to catch some sleep though | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | archive pastebin contents somewhere (i have it in my notes though), it will expire in 48 hours or something | 22:25 |
| johnx | I'll get a garage page sorted out tomorrow or the day after at latest and add you and other people interested | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:25 |
| johnx | saved | 22:25 |
| johnx | 'night all | 22:26 |
| lardman | derf: ah, brings back memories http://maemo.pastebin.com/m16788acf | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | gah, it failed somewhere. what does debootstrap use to extract files with? | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ah. ar missing | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: for tomorrow - apt-get install binutils is needed, else it'll fail | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | I: Base system installed successfully. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 23:00 |
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| braveally | hello peeps | 23:05 |
| braveally | 1st time on irc | 23:05 |
| braveally | love my n810 | 23:06 |
| braveally | does anyone have the game reminiscence (flashback) on their NIT? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | not sure, best way for something like that is ask google, include "maemo" as a term to make sure you want the right thing | 23:08 |
| dneary | hi all | 23:08 |
| lcuk | hi dave \o | 23:08 |
| braveally | hi | 23:08 |
| dneary | Darius Jack has gone past the stage of amusing randomness to annoying pest in the past 4 days | 23:08 |
| lcuk | more? | 23:09 |
| * lcuk facepalms again | 23:09 | |
| dneary | He's spent all evening replying to messages on the list, I think | 23:09 |
| RST38h | KILL | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | now now rst | 23:11 |
| lcuk | its only email | 23:11 |
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| braveally | anyone think they could help me out? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | braveally, i answered you up there ^ | 23:12 |
| braveally | oh | 23:12 |
| braveally | yeah, tried that | 23:13 |
| braveally | will continue | 23:13 |
| braveally | part of my search led me here | 23:13 |
| lcuk | theres so much software around, if you are after a specific title google will know better than a single person :) like i said, try searching for reminiscence maemo | 23:13 |
| RST38h | breaveally: No. | 23:13 |
| dneary | His latest is priceless: | 23:13 |
| lcuk | it gives results you would be interested in at item 1 | 23:13 |
| dneary | "Global Alliance is in vital interest of Nokia, Apple, Microsoft, TomTom and others" | 23:14 |
| dneary | "is in vital interest of developers moving back and forth between hundreds of communities of developers world-wide." | 23:14 |
| dneary | "They really deserve some form of legal protection for their work and job done for the community." | 23:14 |
| RST38h | dneary: just IGNORE him. The more you engage him, the more he winds himself up | 23:14 |
| braveally | i own the sega cd if that makes a diff | 23:14 |
| dneary | I know, have been ignoring him since yesterday | 23:14 |
| RST38h | braveally: No. | 23:14 |
| braveally | sorry guys, jus looking for some help | 23:14 |
| dneary | But seeing everyone who isn't ignoring him has stressed me out | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | http://www.google.com/search?q=reminiscence+maemo | 23:14 |
| dneary | braveally: ? | 23:15 |
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| * lcuk is normally quite restrained, but ffs the guy has setup so many crappy groups even google have blocked him | 23:15 | |
| dneary | hi lardman | 23:15 |
| RST38h | dneary: Ideally, it would be nice to make him commit suicide and document the process, but save that, ignoring him is the best choice | 23:15 |
| lcuk | well - stopped him making any more | 23:15 |
| lardman | hi Dave | 23:15 |
| dneary | I favour removing him from the list myself | 23:15 |
| dneary | lardman: Oh! Sorry, didn't notice you there | 23:16 |
| * lcuk raises his hand | 23:16 | |
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| dneary | Let's leave Simon on the list, please, people | 23:16 |
| lcuk | or are we not voting yet?> | 23:16 |
| * lardman goes to read the latest pearls of Google group wisdom | 23:16 | |
| lardman | :p | 23:16 |
| lardman | :) | 23:17 |
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| RST38h | !!! | 23:19 |
| RST38h | Microsoft has patented the internet tablet! | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:19 |
| lcuk | :O KotCzarny have you got a microsoft trigger? | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | are you infact bill gates in disguise? | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, i lurk all the time :) | 23:19 |
| lcuk | :P mornin btw | 23:19 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/06/6-16-08-msveda.jpg !!! | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | although i have just looked there because game crashed :) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, thats not the internet tablet, the dpad is on the outside! duh! | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | rst: ugly | 23:20 |
| RST38h | yes! this is the mighty origami device of the future! | 23:20 |
| lcuk | :P | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Kot: And it actually looks BETTER than current Pandora prototypes | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | but i fear the patent | 23:21 |
| lcuk | is it possible to use irc in your sleep? | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, sometimes | 23:21 |
| glass | many people see dreams where they irc | 23:21 |
| lardman | he really is quite mad | 23:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Judging from some characters I met on IRC, it is even possible to irc while masturbating | 23:21 |
| lardman | :D | 23:21 |
| Atarii | lol | 23:21 |
| glass | RST38h: of course it is | 23:21 |
| lcuk | iiii kkkknnnoooowwww tttthhhhaaaattttttt!! | 23:22 |
| glass | i'd reckon half of the people on irc have done it | 23:22 |
| glass | at least | 23:22 |
| RST38h | glass: Yes, but how many of them done it while flirting with an Eliza bot? | 23:22 |
| glass | dunno. 5% | 23:23 |
| lardman | dneary: I vote he is removed | 23:23 |
| glass | theres pretty dumb people on irc | 23:23 |
| lcuk | lardman, did you solve your ocr problem earlier, or have you resigned yourself to manually typing (or hired a local PFY) | 23:23 |
| * lcuk puts hand up again | 23:23 | |
| lardman | dneary: I'm happy to explain it to him, perhaps on a new list maemo-darius-waffle | 23:23 |
| RST38h | glass: Look at the bright side though: this way, Eliza gets to pass the Turing test | 23:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: Please, don't explain it to him | 23:23 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah but the people flirting with it maybe not | 23:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: Well it partly worked - I used Tesseract - but I still have to go through indenting & checking some typos | 23:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: Just ask him what he is wearing and also about his postal address, and what kind of rope he likes, etc | 23:24 |
| lardman | lcuk: marginal whether it's quicker this way, at least less typing | 23:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: Hopefully, he will get freaked out and leave | 23:24 |
| lcuk | i thought you said robe then | 23:24 |
| * KotCzarny switches to lurk mode again, bbl | 23:24 | |
| lardman | RST38h: I actually quite like these sorts of email "conversations", but it is adding cruft to the list so I stopped | 23:25 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, they still qualify as people, as stupid as it sounds | 23:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: When done right, he will shut up and live after first 2-5 exchanges | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | s/live/leave/ | 23:25 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: lardman: When done right, he will shut up and leave after first 2-5 exchanges | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | lardman: It is talking about open source that winds him up | 23:26 |
| lardman | RST38h: as Neils (i think) said, I can't work out what his angle is | 23:26 |
| lardman | RST38h: he seems to have a persecution complex on behalf of open source developers | 23:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: it is not an angle but a psychiatric problem | 23:27 |
| lardman | yeah, attention seeking | 23:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, whether or not they need his help. its a mummy process | 23:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: No, actually | 23:27 |
| lardman | ah well, back to the tv :) | 23:27 |
| RST38h | An attention seeking type will do ANYTHING to get attention | 23:27 |
| * lcuk watched a-team earlier | 23:28 | |
| lardman | RST38h: we wait to see what he does next :D | 23:28 |
| lcuk | catch you later lardman | 23:28 |
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| RST38h | This one seems to be concentrated on a single topic and his messages also stopped making sense | 23:28 |
| RST38h | lardman: If you change the topic he will wonder for a while, then leave | 23:28 |
| RST38h | Otherwise he will continue in the same manner until medicated | 23:29 |
| dneary | lardman: It's simple - his angle is that he's of strategic importance to Nokia Corporation, but they haven't realised it yet | 23:29 |
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| glass | ugh. that sort of people are often very annoying | 23:33 |
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| RST38h | Another Hans Reiser in the making... | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | Only this one won't even bless us with workmanship | 23:36 |
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| drugbalance | yo | 23:51 |
| drugbalance | how to add all 3'rd party applications to my application manager ? | 23:52 |
| drugbalance | I want to install macchanger | 23:52 |
| drugbalance | I have n800 with os2007 | 23:52 |
| drugbalance | and I wanna gcc :) | 23:54 |
| kkrusty | drugbalance: you can probably look at gronmayer.com for that package | 23:57 |
| drugbalance | I'm allready downloading all repos from this page | 23:58 |
| kkrusty | why would you want to download all repos? | 23:58 |
| drugbalance | cuz I don't wanna have problems with dependenses | 23:58 |
| drugbalance | is there some other repos ? I need only perl,ruby and gcc | 23:59 |
| drugbalance | well and macchanger | 23:59 |
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