| qwerty12_N800 | finding the password ;) | 00:00 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 is the master of that task | 00:00 | |
| summatusmentis | oh god, that sounds like so much work :) | 00:00 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: ^ | 00:00 |
| skibur | :) | 00:00 |
| GAN8001 | It's not that bad | 00:00 |
| GAN8001 | and it's a one-off deal | 00:00 |
| GAN8001 | You only need to apply it once | 00:00 |
| summatusmentis | right | 00:00 |
| GAN8001 | and the results are amazing. ;) | 00:01 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, did you ever successfully get to 21-4? | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, reflashed | 00:01 |
| skibur | Here it is????? ---> http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I keep flashing to the first diablo repo I have archived as it has me favourite tool ftd | 00:02 |
| GAN8001 | Wonder what caused the loop | 00:03 |
| GAN8001 | skibur, that's after you get the password. | 00:03 |
| puffandstuff | too confused ! is ubuntu mobile Open Source / Free ? does it comme with SDK ? | 00:03 |
| GAN8001 | puffandstuff, it's free and opensource | 00:04 |
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| GAN8001 | There's no cross compiling like for maemo, as it's just straight x86 | 00:04 |
| puffandstuff | GAN8001, many thanks | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If you build the diablo version of apt, you don't need the password. | 00:04 |
| skibur | o ok | 00:04 |
| skibur | :( | 00:04 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 built | 00:04 | |
| GAN8001 | puffandstuff, the reason I recommend that or Debian + Matchbox/Hildon is because all the important non-hardware-specfic parts of maemo are in them. | 00:05 |
| skibur | dpm | 00:05 |
| puffandstuff | GAN8001, yes | 00:05 |
| skibur | don't have time to built | 00:05 |
| * skibur moves on | 00:05 | |
| GAN8001 | Ubuntu Mobile is still gearing up, really. | 00:06 |
| GAN8001 | Targeted at the MIDs. | 00:06 |
| GAN8001 | puffandstuff, #ubuntu-mobile | 00:06 |
| GAN8001 | skibur, it's mostly just bug fixes at the moment | 00:06 |
| GAN8001 | Really better off waiting for the final. ;) | 00:06 |
| skibur | true | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | same as with Diablo :P | 00:07 |
| skibur | lol just very curious :P | 00:07 |
| Blafasel | I'm interested in using ubuntu mobile on the eeePC. The screenshots were quite nice. | 00:07 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 was really glad to "beta test", means i got some internal nokia progs | 00:08 | |
| GAN8001 | Hrm, I wanted to bug crashanddie about something but now I can't remember what. . . . :\ | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | plumbing problems? | 00:08 |
| * qwerty12_N800 runs | 00:08 | |
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| crashanddie | GAN8001, hmm? | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | I don't remember. :P | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | Well you're bugging me anyhow now that you've said that | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | so I'd say... | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | MISSION ACCOMPLISHED | 00:09 |
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| GAN8001 | Woo! | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001, last thing we talked about was my ISP, FiOS, all that | 00:10 |
| ReKlipz | ok, how to boot from sd card? | 00:11 |
| * ricko73 wishes FiOS was available here | 00:11 | |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, it was something maemo-related. | 00:11 |
| Saviq | ReKlipz: google | 00:11 |
| ReKlipz | :) am | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | Ship google your N810 | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | They'll set it up for you. :P | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, You get FiOS in France? | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, sure | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 00:11 |
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| ricko73 | we can get 16M/2M cable internet (for US$75/mo) | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | ReKlipz ^ | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, Man, we don't afaik :( (btw, how long before you move here) :) | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001, or maybe microb ? | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I should be moving begin august | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | Hrm, maybe | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | crashanddie, you were having trouble with the connecting bouncing? | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001, well, the browser takes it time, yeah | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, that was it. | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | I asked timeless about it, he thought it could be DNS, but didn't know offhand | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | I never actually got an answer | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | So I'm not sure why I thought I needed to talk to you. :P | 00:14 |
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| * GAN8001 may have been running over the people experiencing it in his head when he asked. | 00:15 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | My N800 does that when it's low on memory | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I'm currently planning a few trips to Liverpool, Cardiff, Bristol, Birmingham, London, see what I like most, and what I'll be able to afford | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, Cool! (but you know London is King ;) :p) | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, but London is big, and expensive | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Btw, why not Manchester? | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | Gunchester ? Nha | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I'm just a junior dev, and I'd rather not get caught up in a city where 60% of my wage goes into a crappy flat | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, I feel at home in Manchester due to yorkshire roots but I <3 london | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eek | 00:17 |
| summatusmentis | where are Documents, Videos, etc. stored? what path? | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | summatusmentis, /home/user/ | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | summatusmentis, /home/user/MyDocs | 00:17 |
| GAN8001 | /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc more specifically | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | ctrl + h ftw | 00:18 |
| * GAN8001 wonders how LinuxTag is going. | 00:20 | |
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| ReKlipz | so, why can't i do things like sudo ifconfig as "user"? | 00:22 |
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| skibur | qwerty lol ----> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180084&postcount=232 HOLY **** Program | 00:23 |
| skibur | :P | 00:23 |
| summatusmentis | what do you guys use for IRC on the tablets? | 00:23 |
| GAN800 | xchat | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | xchat | 00:23 |
| Johnny5 | ssh into a box and run irssi/bitchx/whatever else you want :) | 00:24 |
| summatusmentis | Johnny5: I'm considering it, but I need to setup krb5 auth for that first | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | Console stuff is a pain on thr tablets. | 00:24 |
| summatusmentis | even w/ the keyboard? | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | xchat is much better suited. | 00:24 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, I just noticed something... You're General Antilles, right ? | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | I have less experience with the N810 | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, crashanddie | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | ok | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | I need to remap my keyboard too, I keep thinking the bottom left Fn key is a shift | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | also, I need to find a key to map tab too | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | to* | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | GeneralAntillesN800 is a little long | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | I disagree | 00:25 |
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| summatusmentis | long nicks ftw | 00:26 |
| skibur | qwerty lol ----> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180084&postcount=232 | 00:26 |
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| Johnny5 | OpenSSH on the tablet can use keys. Just use publickey auth | 00:26 |
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| * CrashandDie thinks his n810 battery is dying | 00:27 | |
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| summatusmentis | Johnny5: I know it can, but the place I'm ssh'ing into likes krb5 | 00:27 |
| CrashandDie | It just went from 3hours left, to "OMG RED ALERT Please recharge" in about 10 minutes | 00:27 |
| Johnny5 | Gotcha | 00:27 |
| GAN800 | Did you reboot? | 00:28 |
| CrashandDie | nope | 00:28 |
| summatusmentis | I've got krb5 installed, just haven't done anything to it yet | 00:28 |
| CrashandDie | just been testing out an app I wrote | 00:28 |
| CrashandDie | so either this app drains battery | 00:29 |
| GAN800 | Well, 3 hours was probably at 165MHz | 00:29 |
| GAN800 | Then it kicks up to 400MHz and boom. | 00:29 |
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| CrashandDie | It underclocks when idle ? | 00:29 |
| GAN800 | It basically turns off when idle | 00:30 |
| CrashandDie | ok | 00:30 |
| CrashandDie | Well, this app is kinda memory intensive | 00:30 |
| CrashandDie | and CPU intensive | 00:30 |
| GAN800 | ARM/OMAP powersaving is some crazy stuff. | 00:30 |
| GAN800 | But it's variable | 00:30 |
| CrashandDie | XML validating/parsing/constructing ftw | 00:30 |
| GAN800 | So battery usage is all over the map. | 00:30 |
| CrashandDie | like pretty much all the mobile devices out there | 00:31 |
| GAN800 | Except worse. | 00:31 |
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| GAN800 | ceiling is a lot higher for us. | 00:31 |
| CrashandDie | Well, for any mobile device, I look upon the battery manager as something to warn me when it's going to die | 00:32 |
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| CrashandDie | not exactly "oh cool, I still have 3hours and 13 minutes left" | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, small lion level detection is a little hard | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | voltage is so variable with load | 00:32 |
| CrashandDie | true | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | and Nokia's worse than most (their mobiles, too) | 00:33 |
| CrashandDie | I remember an old Nokia, when going into the hidden menu, you could see the current battery voltage output | 00:33 |
| CrashandDie | current as in now, not electrical | 00:33 |
| GAN800 | You can get the values from retu | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | There's an app on nitapps.com | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | For percentage anyway | 00:34 |
| CrashandDie | and when it was at something like 2.96v, you'd have 3 bars on your battery... at 2.86v, you'd have about 10 seconds to plug it in | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | There's another one with more values. | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 00:34 |
| skibur | I will continue with slackware on the N800 | 00:35 |
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| NullM0dem | slack on n800? | 00:35 |
| * NullM0dem wakes up | 00:35 | |
| skibur | is just a side project for me | 00:36 |
| NullM0dem | me too though i do not have much time for it | 00:36 |
| skibur | just reading about embedded systems and slackware | 00:36 |
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| NullM0dem | armedslack? | 00:37 |
| skibur | yeah | 00:37 |
| skibur | will It be done you ask? nah, but I'm learning on the way. who knows, it just might come true. :) | 00:37 |
| CrashandDie | isn't slackware source-based ? | 00:37 |
| NullM0dem | skibur: where were you reading about slack? | 00:38 |
| NullM0dem | CrashandDie: yes slack is source based | 00:38 |
| ||cw | CrashandDie: not any more so than anything else | 00:38 |
| CrashandDie | hmm | 00:38 |
| CrashandDie | luckily | 00:38 |
| ||cw | slack has binary packages | 00:38 |
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| NullM0dem | true, alot of packages are precompiled | 00:38 |
| ||cw | just doens't have a lot of them | 00:38 |
| CrashandDie | Imagine compiling Xorg on the NIT... \o/ | 00:38 |
| NullM0dem | but just the basics | 00:38 |
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| NullM0dem | no way | 00:38 |
| ||cw | why not, we used to compile everything on 486's | 00:39 |
| NullM0dem | I wish directFB could be used, though i do not know enough about it | 00:39 |
| CrashandDie | "Why d'you get yourself a new Nokia ? Wasn't the other one like 2 months old ?" "Yeah, but it's still compiling OpenOffice" | 00:39 |
| ||cw | remeber when a kernel compile would take a full day? | 00:39 |
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| CrashandDie | ||cw, *shrug* | 00:39 |
| CrashandDie | djeezus | 00:39 |
| CrashandDie | and say I'm pissed cuz my app takes about 2 minutes to compile :( | 00:40 |
| NullM0dem | LFS is fun | 00:40 |
| NullM0dem | :P | 00:40 |
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| GAN800 | You can, NullM0dem | 00:40 |
| CrashandDie | http://slexy.org/view/s20oKwkQ8g \o/ | 00:41 |
| GAN800 | Debian does it. | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Via fanoush tools iirc | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Took me *ages* to setup :/ | 00:41 |
| NullM0dem | GAN800: directfb? from http://www.directfb.org ? | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But it means I can do it in maemo | 00:41 |
| mazzen | i'm running openssh server on my n810, but i cann't connect the device. i googled and noticed, that i'm not the only one who has this problem, but unfortunately i didn't find a solution. does anyone knows something about it? | 00:42 |
| skibur | NullM0dem ---> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185452 | 00:42 |
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| CrashandDie | mazzen, can't connect isn't really an error message | 00:42 |
| CrashandDie | mazzen, I have no problem whatsoever with openssh server on the IT | 00:42 |
| CrashandDie | mazzen, can you run a port scanner, stuff like that ? | 00:42 |
| mazzen | CrashandDie: dude you are right, sry. i get "no route to host", when i try to connect the device from my computer | 00:43 |
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| CrashandDie | http://slexy.org/view/s20RbikYEI :D 1m57s :D | 00:44 |
| summatusmentis | what's the user username? | 00:45 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, user ? | 00:45 |
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| CrashandDie | btw, remember me, some time, to send a box of chocolates or a six pack to Niels, the Garage maintainer | 00:46 |
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| summatusmentis | CrashandDie: ok, then how do I ssh in as user? | 00:47 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, you can't, iirc | 00:47 |
| ReKlipz | which repo do i need for usbnet? | 00:48 |
| GAN800 | Just, fwiw, he's X-Fade here, CrashandDie | 00:48 |
| CrashandDie | GAN800, good to know | 00:48 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, I never tried using a cert-based authentication on the user account, I only SSH into the root account of the NIT | 00:49 |
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| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, but IIRC, you can't set a password on the user account, hence, no ssh login | 00:49 |
| summatusmentis | CrashandDie: do you know why you can't? is it because there's no password set? | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Keep an eye out for dneary (new docmaster), and andre and guenther (new bugmasters), too. | 00:50 |
| CrashandDie | X-Fade, you'll have to email me your home address so I can get you a present | 00:50 |
| * andre___ looks up | 00:50 | |
| * GAN800 looks up. | 00:51 | |
| * GAN800 screams. | 00:51 | |
| CrashandDie | GAN800, told you you should've taken care of those spiderwebs | 00:51 |
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| GAN800 | andre___, how's LinuxTag | 00:51 |
| CrashandDie | anyway, back to coding | 00:51 |
| andre___ | i'm not there yet - tomorrow :) | 00:52 |
| andre___ | just for one day | 00:52 |
| andre___ | could convince my teacher today that i'm allowed to miss his lesson tomorrow ;-) | 00:52 |
| ReKlipz | would someone mind explaining to me the partition structure of the n810? | 00:53 |
| summatusmentis | CrashandDie: you can set a passwd for user if you're root | 00:53 |
| CrashandDie | btw, anyone in here use doxygen with graphviz/dot ? | 00:53 |
| summatusmentis | will this break things? | 00:53 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, I dunno, wouldn't try it, considering the limited helpfulness | 00:53 |
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| summatusmentis | erm.... already did :) | 00:53 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, logging in as user would require you to sudo gainroot to become root, logging in as root would require you to su user to become user... So real difference in the end | 00:54 |
| CrashandDie | so no real** | 00:54 |
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| summatusmentis | I do things via command line a decent amount, w/out needing root | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | scp, etc. | 00:55 |
| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, try cert based approach, tell me if it works | 00:55 |
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| ReKlipz | what is a FIASCO image? | 01:02 |
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| GAN800 | The firmware image. | 01:04 |
| CrashandDie | http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/media/photos/carhse.jpg | 01:04 |
| CrashandDie | that's a fiasco image | 01:04 |
| ReKlipz | so..., it doesn't contain the kernel, or anything pertaining to the os really | 01:05 |
| GAN800 | It contains everything | 01:06 |
| GAN800 | kernel, NOLO, initfs, rootfs | 01:06 |
| ReKlipz | mmk, so, if, say, I wanted to put straight up debian on my n810, how would i go about that? | 01:07 |
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| ReKlipz | putting the loader on an sd card, and the installing? | 01:07 |
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| GAN800 | untar the tar image onto a card. | 01:07 |
| GAN800 | flash fanoush's initfs | 01:07 |
| ReKlipz | well, im not actually going to do it, i just want to learn more about what the underlying parts are | 01:08 |
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| ReKlipz | so, initfs, rootfs, are partitions on the internal 2GB mem? | 01:10 |
| GAN800 | No. | 01:11 |
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| GAN800 | Forget the 2GB, it's just an SD card they soldered on. Everything is on the 256MB internal flash. | 01:12 |
| ReKlipz | ok | 01:12 |
| ReKlipz | so, it's on the 256mb internal flash | 01:12 |
| ReKlipz | what is NOLO? | 01:13 |
| GAN800 | bootloader | 01:13 |
| GAN800 | NOkia LOader | 01:13 |
| ReKlipz | mmk, and this is placed in at the beginning of the 256mb flash? | 01:13 |
| ReKlipz | wait, it seems X-Loader is first... | 01:14 |
| GAN800 | pressumably, though I haven't bothered to confirm that. | 01:14 |
| ReKlipz | mmk, so, xloader, noloader, and the secondary loader are all bootloaders... | 01:15 |
| ReKlipz | or part of the booting stage | 01:15 |
| ReKlipz | the initfs and rootfs reside on the 256mb internal flash as well | 01:15 |
| ReKlipz | as for what is actually on them, well, that will have to wait for another day (tomorrow, :p). I assume the initfs is essentially the equiv of grub on the MBR of an hdd | 01:16 |
| CrashandDie | ReKlipz, erhm... There's initfs on hdds too :P | 01:17 |
| CrashandDie | erhm | 01:18 |
| CrashandDie | scrap that | 01:18 |
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| ReKlipz | initrd? | 01:19 |
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| ReKlipz | gotta run to class, hopefully i will have it figured out by tomorrow | 01:19 |
| CrashandDie | yeah, was confused for a while | 01:19 |
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| vivia | Hello everyone... I am having SERIOUS issues with my N810 discount code - mainly the spanish online store is to blame, but I'm tired of calling them, any place on maemo.org where I can get some help? | 01:28 |
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| summatusmentis | CrashandDie: fwiw, running 'passwd user' as root allows you to set the user password, which you can then use to ssh into as user | 01:30 |
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| CrashandDie | summatusmentis, reboot ? | 01:31 |
| summatusmentis | yep, already did, nothing seems to be broken | 01:31 |
| CrashandDie | fair enough | 01:31 |
| summatusmentis | or rather, I haven't run into anything that is broken yet :) | 01:32 |
| summatusmentis | is the camera on the n810 used for anything? | 01:33 |
| CrashandDie | excepted taking pictures and webcam ? | 01:34 |
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| summatusmentis | well, like, skype doesn't use it | 01:34 |
| lopz | re | 01:34 |
| summatusmentis | so what is the webcam compat w/? | 01:34 |
| beford | You can use it with gizmo | 01:36 |
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| beford | SIP + h.323 | 01:36 |
| summatusmentis | gizmo is... another SIP app? | 01:37 |
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| CrashandDie | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAI&feature=related | 01:37 |
| beford | gizmo is jabber I think | 01:37 |
| Saviq | it's based on xmpp, yes | 01:38 |
| summatusmentis | oh, so for things like Google talk, for instance | 01:39 |
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| beford | Google Talk is jabber too, but the current client doesn't support Video talk | 01:39 |
| beford | I read somewhere that Google will be probably releasing a new client with Video support | 01:40 |
| summatusmentis | but could one use gizmo for Google Talk video? | 01:42 |
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| GAN8001 | Gizmo works Gizmo-to-Gizmo for tablet-to-PC | 01:50 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, it's an open alternative to Skype | 01:50 |
| GAN8001 | Very nice | 01:50 |
| GAN8001 | works with the built-in SIP client (no video, though) | 01:50 |
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| Robot101 | gizmo uses xmpp for chat, and sip for calling | 01:53 |
| Robot101 | its kinda weird | 01:53 |
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| GAN8001 | But nice, because you don't need to the stupid proprietary client. | 01:57 |
| summatusmentis | I guess that's true... I just installed the stupid proprietary client | 01:58 |
| beford | lol | 01:59 |
| GAN8001 | I always recommend Gizmo over Skype if your contacts aren't already all using Skype. | 01:59 |
| GAN8001 | Especially on the tablet, as you can use rtcomm | 02:00 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not really using any of it | 02:00 |
| beford | The only way to do video is with the proprietary client I believe | 02:00 |
| summatusmentis | I've got one skype client, and it's my family(for when I'm at school, I'm at my parents house for the summer) | 02:00 |
| summatusmentis | s/client/contact/ | 02:01 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: I've got one skype contact, and it's my family(for when I'm at school, I'm at my parents house for the summer) | 02:01 |
| summatusmentis | the proprietary client doesn't do video either | 02:01 |
| beford | it does | 02:01 |
| GAN8001 | To the Gizmo 4 beta | 02:01 |
| GAN8001 | For Windows | 02:01 |
| beford | you need to click on a button once the call was stablished | 02:01 |
| GAN8001 | or to other tablets. | 02:01 |
| Robot101 | thats a bit odd, I wonder what gizmo do which makes video not work with our SIP client | 02:01 |
| fysa | how is Gizmo over EDGE? ;) | 02:01 |
| GAN8001 | I tested it ONCE, fysa | 02:02 |
| GAN8001 | It actually worked OK | 02:02 |
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| fysa | lag? | 02:02 |
| GAN8001 | But no idea if it'd actually pan out with real usage, as it was only a 20 second, connect and say hi test. | 02:02 |
| GAN8001 | Robot101, if you could figure out Gizmo video with rtcomm that'd be amazing. | 02:03 |
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| vivia | if anyone is interested in reading my n810 story and how i'm still trying to receive it, i just emailed it to maemo-developers , or you can also read it here: http://pastebin.com/d1e62cdca any help would be more than welcome... | 02:06 |
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| GAN8001 | vivia, Quim may pick it up from developers | 02:06 |
| GAN8001 | Keep in mind that most everybody is at LinuxTag this week, so don't expect a response until next week. | 02:06 |
| vivia | GAN8001: i've been trying since december/january or something... so a week seems like nothing | 02:07 |
| Navi | I would think they'd be watching the dev list | 02:07 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 02:07 |
| vivia | i don't mind waiting, i just hope i can get some help here | 02:07 |
| vivia | i ended up even losing money | 02:07 |
| GAN8001 | vivia, it's what you get for living in a country with a crappy Nokia shop. :P | 02:07 |
| vivia | well, i was born here, still doing my phd here, nothing much i can do i guess. :) | 02:08 |
| GAN8001 | You could always go trout-walloping at Nokia HQ | 02:08 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm sure we could get enough people together to pay your expenses and more. :D | 02:09 |
| summatusmentis | bum deal, the openssh packages don't have GSSAPI options implemented | 02:09 |
| vivia | enough people together.. :) that's why i decided to send to maemo-developers... it's different to have one freaking customer yelling in greece, and it's different to have a whole team supporting :) | 02:09 |
| vivia | anyway, thanx... :) don't know whether you've read the story but i'm about to have a nervous breakdown after all this story | 02:10 |
| GAN8001 | Your not the only one to have trouble with the discount codes | 02:11 |
| vivia | oh really? | 02:11 |
| GAN8001 | but probably one of the few remaining stragglers. ;) | 02:11 |
| GAN8001 | Everybody had a lot of trouble initially | 02:11 |
| vivia | and probably the only one to lose money on top of that :) | 02:11 |
| GAN8001 | Then it was mostly just the Canadians | 02:12 |
| GAN8001 | then it was some odd others | 02:12 |
| GAN8001 | now mostly everybody seems to be good. | 02:12 |
| vivia | spain too, i was told that a guy had problems where neither code worked | 02:12 |
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| summatusmentis | what does the discount code get you? | 02:12 |
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| vivia | summatusmentis: i've already used 3 discount codes in vain and the 4th one is a petty 5%... | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, it's a developer/contributor discount | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | $160 USD N810 initially. | 02:13 |
| vivia | oh sorry, misunderstood the "get you" part | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/500_fortunate_applicants.html | 02:13 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: omg, that's an awesome deal | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, they did it for the 770 and N800, too | 02:14 |
| vivia | i guess i'll end up paying the full price after all | 02:14 |
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| GAN8001 | and hopefully for the N900. | 02:14 |
| vivia | but hell, i at least want the money i spent | 02:14 |
| GAN8001 | So time to get developing/contributing, summatusmentis. ;) | 02:14 |
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| summatusmentis | I'm contributig to openafs this summer | 02:15 |
| vivia | summatusmentis: maybe you can apply next year too :) | 02:15 |
| summatusmentis | well, maybe :) | 02:16 |
| vivia | OT: it's 2am here and I"m so frustrated I can't sleep. And I can't even count sheep, because I'm working on a stupid asp+m$sql project about... sheep... and they stress me out even more | 02:16 |
| summatusmentis | my summer of code will be done at the end of summer :) then I'll maybe be able to focus my time elsewhere | 02:16 |
| sp3000 | you could count some other animals | 02:17 |
| sp3000 | bugs maybe? | 02:17 |
| vivia | lol, that's another way to stress a developer - counting bugs :) | 02:17 |
| vivia | i can also count (live) mosquitos but that's not quite relaxing either :p | 02:17 |
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| summatusmentis | :-D | 02:18 |
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| n800m | hey i'm stuck in zelda | 02:25 |
| n800m | help | 02:25 |
| GAN8001 | Kill the bad guys. | 02:25 |
| summatusmentis | cmd+q | 02:26 |
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| summatusmentis | oh, zelda, wrong platform | 02:26 |
| n800m | hah | 02:26 |
| n800m | the gba emulator is pretty good on the n800 | 02:26 |
| n800m | on some games | 02:26 |
| n800m | about half are too slow | 02:26 |
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| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, out of interest, how often do you have to explain where the Command key is? | 02:27 |
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| summatusmentis | not often, I don't help people that often :) | 02:27 |
| GAN8001 | Ha, OK. | 02:27 |
| summatusmentis | and usually when I do, I tell them "apple q" or some such thing | 02:28 |
| GAN8001 | I help people A LOT, and I don't want to think about how many times I've explain its location. | 02:28 |
| vivia | could be worse... looking for the any key | 02:28 |
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| vivia | or taking "any key" too literally and pressing caps lock | 02:28 |
| summatusmentis | does caps lcok not register | 02:29 |
| n800m | eject | 02:29 |
| summatusmentis | ? | 02:29 |
| vivia | usually not, though i guess you could make it ... | 02:29 |
| Navi | Heh | 02:30 |
| n800m | the function key | 02:30 |
| n800m | my favorite | 02:30 |
| Navi | I mapped my caps to control and control to tab | 02:30 |
| Navi | er | 02:30 |
| Navi | control to tab | 02:30 |
| Navi | er | 02:30 |
| Navi | GOD DAMN | 02:30 |
| Navi | control to caps lock | 02:30 |
| * GAN8001 pats Navi on the back. | 02:30 | |
| GAN8001 | Breath . . . type it SLOWLY | 02:30 |
| Navi | So whenever someone's over at my house and tries to hit control, they go "wtf?" | 02:30 |
| GAN8001 | I tried to do that for a while | 02:30 |
| GAN8001 | but my muscle memory doesn't want to change. | 02:31 |
| Navi | I like it | 02:31 |
| summatusmentis | why would you do that? | 02:31 |
| GAN8001 | Caps is closer | 02:31 |
| summatusmentis | I guess easier access | 02:31 |
| Navi | Caps is easier to hit than control | 02:31 |
| vivia | GAN8001: do you have a laptop? THAT's an example of muscle memory nto wanting to change.. | 02:31 |
| GAN8001 | Less contortionism | 02:31 |
| Navi | and you accidentally hit it a lot AND SOUND LIKE YOU'RE PISSED OFF | 02:31 |
| GAN8001 | Ugh | 02:31 |
| GAN8001 | Screw laptops | 02:32 |
| summatusmentis | mine would light up all the time | 02:32 |
| GAN8001 | They're the worst things in the world | 02:32 |
| summatusmentis | oh really? <3 my macbook | 02:32 |
| * GAN8001 has a big, loud, hot, dual G5 | 02:32 | |
| GAN8001 | and a bunch of NITs. ;) | 02:32 |
| Navi | Like twenty of them. | 02:32 |
| n800m | pfft there's no zelda chan on freenode | 02:32 |
| Navi | Freenode isn't much of a gaming network | 02:32 |
| vivia | Navi: how about accidentaly hitting control and ending up giving a command? | 02:32 |
| vivia | Navi: i guess that's worse than typing in caps :) | 02:32 |
| Navi | Nah | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | Zelda isn't really "on topic" for Freenode. | 02:33 |
| summatusmentis | my theory was originally to buy a Z, and use that instead, but this NIT might be finally what I'm looking for in th at regard | 02:33 |
| summatusmentis | the Z never did what I wanted | 02:33 |
| summatusmentis | or not well enough | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | Lot of ex-Z owners about. | 02:33 |
| n800m | there's one on efnet! | 02:33 |
| summatusmentis | they were awesome machines, for their time | 02:33 |
| vivia | efnet?.... is that still alive? :) | 02:33 |
| summatusmentis | now, they're big and out-dated | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | n800m, Freenode is really for free and opensource projects | 02:33 |
| Navi | EFNet is still around | 02:34 |
| Navi | Lotta channels on there | 02:34 |
| Navi | I'm a Rizon guy myself | 02:34 |
| n800m | yeah been on efnet since 98 i think | 02:34 |
| vivia | yikes, that must have been the first irc network i remember | 02:34 |
| vivia | 94-95 ... | 02:34 |
| Navi | But half of my autojoin channels are on Freenode | 02:34 |
| n800m | yeah it's old | 02:34 |
| summatusmentis | I don't have any autojoin channels setup anymore, since I switched to irssi+screen | 02:35 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ | 02:35 |
| vivia | i'm only idling around on #amsn for support... and maybe 1-2 more channels occasionally | 02:35 |
| vivia | summatusmentis: <3 irssi+screen | 02:35 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: are you on leopard? check out Visor+SIMBL | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | It's broken | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | I have to activate it twice to get it to focus | 02:36 |
| Navi | I like weechat+screen | 02:36 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: what's broken? | 02:36 |
| CrashandDie | Don't you love it how the day before you have to give in your project, you want to add a few modifications that basically brick the whole app... | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | I open it, but it doesn't have focus | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | so text goes into lalaland instead of the terminal. | 02:37 |
| CrashandDie | And then your teacher/boss comes around, seeing how everything goes "Well, it worked a few minutes ago, hang on" | 02:37 |
| Navi | CrashandDie, that's why you either make backups or have revision control | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | working fine here | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | and loving it! | 02:37 |
| GAN8001 | The way to do it is with irssi-proxy and xchat. :P | 02:37 |
| CrashandDie | Navi, working with git here, but still... It's frustrating | 02:37 |
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| Navi | I've had svn set up for a while. Should switch to git | 02:37 |
| Navi | Much too lazy though | 02:37 |
| vivia | hardware projects can be more fun | 02:37 |
| vivia | i once handed it out a few days before it was examined so they could keep it, it worked perfectly | 02:38 |
| Navi | No revision control for hardware projects :( | 02:38 |
| CrashandDie | vivia, it's part hardware, that's the dangerous part :P | 02:38 |
| CrashandDie | Camera + free DV tape == Hardware proof of concept revision control | 02:38 |
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| Navi | Lol | 02:39 |
| vivia | during the examination, must have been bad grounding at the lab, but one of the two main ICs just decided to stop working | 02:39 |
| CrashandDie | heh... Don't you love when that happens... | 02:39 |
| summatusmentis | I should make sure my n810 always gets the same address on our home router | 02:39 |
| vivia | fortunately the team next to us had incidentally decided to use the same IC so we borrowed theirs and it worked | 02:39 |
| CrashandDie | Also, notice how the probability of shit happening to you [or the project] tends to 1 proportionally with the importance of the exam | 02:40 |
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| n800m | i think efnet is about 99% idling | 02:41 |
| CrashandDie | Hardware revision control would be awesome though... I want to live in the Matrix... git checkout HEAD^1... "C'MON GUYS, WE GOT NEW CAPACITORS" | 02:41 |
| Navi | CrashandDie, indeed it would... | 02:41 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 02:42 |
| CrashandDie | I remember a couple years back, I was passing my electronics degree | 02:42 |
| GAN8001 | VR baby! | 02:42 |
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| CrashandDie | We had a stupid project, and maybe two days before the exam | 02:42 |
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| CrashandDie | We go into the classroom, with our cards at the ready, for the final inspection before the exam... Teacher tells us to go on a workbench | 02:43 |
| CrashandDie | I get to my workbench, some idiot kicks me away, I was just about to hit the switch... I take my card, go to the next bench... The guy plus in his card, flips the switch | 02:43 |
| CrashandDie | 48V drilling through a 5V card | 02:44 |
| vivia | ouch!! | 02:44 |
| CrashandDie | I see a little bit of smoke rising up from the remains, as I see all hope leaving his eyes | 02:44 |
| Navi | woot | 02:44 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 02:44 |
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| vivia | i once abandoned a project about serially connecting a 6502 (yeah they were still used until a few years ago) to the PC | 02:45 |
| vivia | for some odd reason, as soon as i connected the 6502's signal ground to the PC's signal ground, the voltage on the 6502 IC would drop to 2.5V | 02:46 |
| CrashandDie | anyone know where this comes from: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_scrolled_window_add_with_viewport: assertion `GTK_BIN (bin->child)->child == NULL' failed ? Trying to add a Table to a ScrolledWindow | 02:46 |
| CrashandDie | (I'm using the C++ GTK wrappers) | 02:47 |
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| n800m | microB is base on firefox, correct? | 02:51 |
| n800m | +d | 02:51 |
| GAN8001 | It's mozilla-based | 02:52 |
| n800m | right right | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB | 02:52 |
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| CrashandDie | GAN800, wouldn't have an idea ? | 02:52 |
| n800m | ooh there's a divx plugin | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | I fail at GTK, CrashandDie. ;) | 02:53 |
| n800m | fail, crash, die | 02:54 |
| CrashandDie | GAN800, so that's your weak point ? GTK? :P | 02:54 |
| CrashandDie | Mhuwhahahaha, finally found it | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | One of many, yes. :P | 02:54 |
| CrashandDie | GAN800, you do a good job at hiding them then :P | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | When you have enough . . . :D | 02:55 |
| CrashandDie | I asked on #c++ @ gimpnet about half an hour ago... No one dared moving, no join, no leave... Nobody dares answering my question... | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 02:57 |
| GAN8001 | You just gotta go through and highlight everybody individually. | 02:57 |
| Navi | or highlight everyone at the same time | 02:58 |
| Navi | They'll really appreciate that | 02:58 |
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| GAN8001 | A kickban or an answer . . . either way, you'll have closure. | 02:58 |
| CrashandDie | well... They're usually quite helpful | 02:59 |
| CrashandDie | just... Not at 2AM I guess | 02:59 |
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| Navi | It's not 2AM in the states :P | 03:00 |
| CrashandDie | god damn it, I have about... 16 hours left before turning in this project, and I still have to write the doc and the paper | 03:00 |
| Navi | heh | 03:00 |
| CrashandDie | "If at first you don't succeed, cheat !" | 03:04 |
| CrashandDie | rewriting the code, brb | 03:04 |
| vivia | i'm off... good night everyone :) | 03:05 |
| n800m | nini | 03:05 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 03:08 |
| GAN8001 | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/05/phones-no-ubuntu-yes.html | 03:08 |
| GAN8001 | Doesn't Ari just always reveal himself to be disturbingly disconnected from reality? | 03:08 |
| Navi | :P | 03:14 |
| Navi | I like Reggie's comment | 03:15 |
| Navi | "I just got the new Asus eeePC (900) with Linux Xandros and I was surprised at how everything was set-up, all the most common apps are there, categorized into tabs. Any end-user won't feel that it is Linux underneath at all." | 03:15 |
| Navi | Feel Linux? | 03:15 |
| n800m | yes, it smells | 03:15 |
| n800m | like sea salt | 03:16 |
| fysa | http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/28/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-cell-phones/ | 03:16 |
| CrashandDie | found the answer :D | 03:16 |
| n800m | 42? | 03:17 |
| Navi | Squishy keyboard | 03:17 |
| fysa | maybe it's small enough to add a hinge to and attach to N800 ;) | 03:18 |
| Navi | The fingers in the picture don't even fit on the home keys :| | 03:18 |
| n800m | duct tap | 03:18 |
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| n800m | e | 03:18 |
| Navi | Duct tape solves all | 03:19 |
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| n800m | yeah it doesn't look very practical | 03:19 |
| fysa | oo | 03:19 |
| n800m | the foldable one makes more sense | 03:19 |
| fysa | duct tape keyboard around your arm. | 03:19 |
| fysa | type with other arm | 03:19 |
| n800m | and a hotkey for scotty | 03:20 |
| Navi | Too bad the Logic 3 for the PSP was canceled years ago | 03:20 |
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| Navi | could have stolen that and stuck it on an N800 | 03:20 |
| Navi | Unless it ended up being an IR keyboard | 03:21 |
| CrashandDie | I have no problems typing on the n810 keyboard | 03:22 |
| n800m | -10 | 03:22 |
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| Navi | I bet you don't | 03:24 |
| wolfspirit | ok having some trouble with my n800.. I got a gsat bluetooth gps receiver and the n800 picks it up fine but just sits on "searching | 03:24 |
| wolfspirit | " for a gps location.. any ideas? sorry about hitting enter prematurely | 03:24 |
| GAN800 | Go outside? | 03:28 |
| wolfspirit | am outside | 03:29 |
| wolfspirit | it picked it up once the first time but maemo mapper locked up on me so I reset the nokia and now nothing... | 03:29 |
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| CrashandDie | wolfspirit, if it picked it up once, there's nothing indicating the IT isn't working as it should. Question your GPS Receiver | 03:34 |
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| summatusmentis | does anyone have penguinbait's .deb for booting from sd | 03:42 |
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| summatusmentis | is there a way to get the file manager to show / instead of ~ ? | 03:47 |
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| GAN8001 | Symlink, summatusmentis. | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | But it'll break metalayer-crawler | 03:48 |
| GAN8001 | I'd just switch to emelfm2 | 03:48 |
| summatusmentis | not in extras? | 03:49 |
| GAN800 | Google it, don't remember. | 03:49 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ this whole "packages being all over the place" is sort of annoying :) | 03:49 |
| GAN800 | You don't even know. ;) | 03:50 |
| GAN800 | It's something that's improving lately. | 03:50 |
| GAN8001 | But it's been a big issue with maemo for a while now. | 03:50 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I could see that | 03:51 |
| GAN8001 | We just had to shoot down another attempt to make YET ANOTHER place for packages last week. <_< | 03:51 |
| summatusmentis | make another one, and shut down all the others, that's fine | 03:51 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade has been doing some majorly badass work on Extras(-devel)/Garage/Downloads, though, and things are starting to look up. | 03:52 |
| fysa | a repository proxy would be nice. | 03:52 |
| GAN8001 | The work now is mostly just shaming developers into shutting down their stupid repos and pushing their stuff to Extras(-devel) | 03:52 |
| GAN8001 | fysa, :shudder: | 03:53 |
| summatusmentis | I don't like this maemo downloads thing either | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | I can't imagine how package and version conflicts would be resolved with a setup like that. | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, don't bother with it | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | There's no need | 03:53 |
| summatusmentis | I want it all in the package manager | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | That's for the retarded consumer-users | 03:53 |
| summatusmentis | that's wher emelfm2 is! | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | The important stuff is all in Extras. | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | Well, there are a few odds and ends . . . | 03:54 |
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| summatusmentis | and it doesn't work with afs | 03:55 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ | 03:55 |
| * fysa mark all as read | 03:56 | |
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| * unixSnob_ just got ssh installed | 03:57 | |
| unixSnob_ | I normally use the "root" command to get root | 03:58 |
| befr0d | if i have two terminals and i try to fullscreen one of them, it always 'fullscreen' the same term | 03:58 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody needs to poke the FBReader devs into shutting down their repo. | 03:58 |
| unixSnob_ | what do folks do to get root via ssh? do you login as root, then change the password? | 03:58 |
| befr0d | ssh server installer asked me for a new root paasw | 03:59 |
| GAN8001 | Just use 'root' | 03:59 |
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| GAN8001 | There's no benefit to 'ssh root@localhost' | 03:59 |
| summatusmentis | no, actually set a password, if you're gonna be on a network... | 03:59 |
| GAN8001 | Well, yes, set a password | 04:00 |
| summatusmentis | and make it a good password | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | But there's no point to using ssh to get root access locally when you have easyroot installed. | 04:00 |
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| summatusmentis | that's true | 04:00 |
| fysa | a good password like 'unbreakable' | 04:00 |
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| summatusmentis | maybe with some numbers and symbols thrown in there | 04:01 |
| unixSnob_ | tried root:root and it didn't take it | 04:02 |
| unixSnob_ | what's the default "user" password? | 04:02 |
| unixSnob_ | it's probably better if I login as user, and then get root | 04:02 |
| unixSnob_ | nice.. passwd worked.. I thought it was going to ask for the old pw first, which would not have worked | 04:02 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: I have no idea what the default user password is, but I just changed it today | 04:03 |
| summatusmentis | oh, that's even better | 04:03 |
| summatusmentis | I didn't know passwd was going to | 04:03 |
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| unixSnob_ | I also changed it for the user acct. So now I can ssh in as a user, and only get root if necessary | 04:05 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, that's what I did, as far as I can tell, it doesn't break anything, but I suppose it's possible | 04:06 |
| GAN8001 | By default, the user doesn't have a password. | 04:06 |
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| summatusmentis | but you can't just hit enter if you ssh in | 04:06 |
| summatusmentis | brb | 04:06 |
| GAN8001 | In older releases setting a user password could cause issues | 04:07 |
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| GAN8001 | seems to not be a problem anymore. | 04:07 |
| unixSnob_ | well, it's nice to have zero security in the beginning, but eventually I need to lock things down | 04:07 |
| unixSnob_ | So I'm glad to at least have non-default passwords now | 04:07 |
| summatusmentis | woot! irssi+screen on n810!! | 04:10 |
| Navi | woo | 04:10 |
| unixSnob_ | is screen the tool that lets you unmount and remount CLI sessions? | 04:11 |
| unixSnob_ | what's irssi? | 04:11 |
| GAN8001 | lol. . . . | 04:11 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: yes, and an irc client | 04:11 |
| unixSnob_ | cool.. I'll have to get that going too | 04:11 |
| unixSnob_ | I heard rtorrent works with screen.. so hopefully rtorrent will work on maemo | 04:12 |
| summatusmentis | its nice if youve got an ssh account on a server | 04:12 |
| summatusmentis | no apostrophe on the keyboard? that is gonna bug me | 04:14 |
| summatusmentis | oh wait... i thought it was a comma | 04:15 |
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| unixSnob_ | Suppose you ssh into a server, and the session breaks because you drive through a tunnel, for example.. will screen automatically unmount for you so you can recover? | 04:15 |
| GAN8001 | That's the entire purpose of screen more or less, yes. | 04:16 |
| GAN8001 | It's also useful for local sessions | 04:16 |
| summatusmentis | yep! :-) | 04:16 |
| GAN8001 | so closing the xterm window doesn't nuke your session. | 04:16 |
| grape | just do screen -R or something to get it back | 04:16 |
| summatusmentis | I use -drr, but yeah | 04:17 |
| unixSnob_ | I've used screen like 10 years ago.. and it was not so much for accidental network breaks, but just so I could logoff and go home w/ stuff running | 04:17 |
| grape | yeah, that one ;-) | 04:17 |
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| unixSnob_ | But vry cool that it's smart to handle network breaks | 04:17 |
| Johnny5 | Use the command 'screen -DR' | 04:17 |
| Johnny5 | That will disconnect any sessions connected to the screen session, and reconnect you to it. | 04:18 |
| Johnny5 | (In case the old session is hung, for example) | 04:18 |
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| summatusmentis | oh, that's even cooler, didn't know that | 04:19 |
| Johnny5 | Even cooler, you can add a session name to it ('screen -DR irc'). That way, you can disconnect and reconnect to multiple screen sessions (for when you're working on something complex, and need 10 windows for one thing and 10 for another, and want to keep them separate for example) | 04:21 |
| Johnny5 | The session-name thing is more useful when you're sharing a screen, though (useful for teaching new people stuff - think a VNC session with multiple users) | 04:23 |
| summatusmentis | interesting... :) | 04:23 |
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| * unixSnob_ noticed xterm does not allow foreground color changes | 04:26 | |
| GAN800 | yes it does. | 04:27 |
| GAN800 | You're just not paying attention. | 04:27 |
| unixSnob_ | Is there a resource file that can be used to force color changes? | 04:27 |
| GAN800 | No, there's a settings dialog. . . . | 04:27 |
| summatusmentis | it's under the font thing... hidden | 04:28 |
| unixSnob_ | it's interesting that fg color would not be right next to bg color. Where's fg color hiding? | 04:28 |
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| unixSnob_ | ah, font | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | logically enough, under TEXT settings. | 04:29 |
| summatusmentis | it's under the font setting, where you set size and stuff | 04:29 |
| summatusmentis | that doesn't make sense... it would make more sense for it to be next to background color | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | File a bug | 04:30 |
| summatusmentis | meh... i don't care enough :) | 04:31 |
| unixSnob_ | GAN800, did you say it can't be done using a resource file (eg. .Xresource or whatever)? | 04:32 |
| summatusmentis | I'm sure it can... just have no idea where it is | 04:32 |
| summatusmentis | _I_ don't | 04:33 |
| GAN800 | It _could_ (gconf), but why not use the perfectly accessible settings dialog? :/ | 04:33 |
| unixSnob_ | np.. I don't need it now.. I was just curious | 04:33 |
| unixSnob_ | GAN800, if I get enough time to configure everything, it's much more organized to do it all in the resource file | 04:34 |
| unixSnob_ | Resource files will enable you to configure things that aren't even configurable by the apps guis in some cases | 04:34 |
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| GAN800 | Font color isn't one of them. ;) | 04:36 |
| unixSnob_ | on workstations i'll even use the xresource file to alter behaviors, like disable buttons.. not sure if i'll find that useful on the nit yet | 04:36 |
| summatusmentis | is there a calendar program that will sync with google cal? | 04:36 |
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| unixSnob_ | GAN800 fg color generally is configurable in the xresource file; and I know I've done it for xterm | 04:36 |
| summatusmentis | I srot of wish this keyboard were centered | 04:37 |
| summatusmentis | sort* | 04:37 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: are you on an n810? | 04:37 |
| GAN800 | i.e., it's perfectly configurable in the GUI. | 04:37 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: yep :) via screen | 04:38 |
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| unixSnob_ | GAN800 how do I change the colors for the OSD keyboard? | 04:39 |
| unixSnob_ | that's probably something I could do in the resource file, but not the menu | 04:39 |
| GAN800 | In the theme. | 04:40 |
| summatusmentis | the dimming on this screen rules... I'm really glad I made this purchase :) | 04:41 |
| unixSnob_ | interesting.. and good to know.. but the keyboard color change is linked to other changes | 04:41 |
| unixSnob_ | (if i use the theme to change it) | 04:41 |
| summatusmentis | bear with me all, I'll be obsessimg for days | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, you might want to look at advanced-backlight for finner grain control. | 04:42 |
| summatusmentis | :-D | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | s/finner/finer/ | 04:42 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: summatusmentis, you might want to look at advanced-backlight for finer grain control. | 04:42 |
| summatusmentis | in the feeds GAN800 ? | 04:42 |
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| unixSnob_ | I'll certainly look into that.. I find the lowest brightness to be too bright to look at when my eyes are in night vision mode | 04:43 |
| GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 | 04:43 |
| GAN8001 | I've been poking rm_you to push it to Extras for months. | 04:44 |
| unixSnob_ | Eg. I could not look at this screen while flying a cessna at night, because the lowest setting is bright enough to ruin night vision | 04:44 |
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| unixSnob_ | anyone used nicotene? | 04:48 |
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| * n800m smoking | 04:49 | |
| summatusmentis | cigarettes are gross... | 04:50 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: try cigars.. much better | 04:51 |
| unixSnob_ | that crap doesn't get in your lungs if you smoke em right | 04:51 |
| summatusmentis | meh | 04:51 |
| summatusmentis | they need to just legalize... nvm | 04:52 |
| unixSnob_ | have you tried cigars? they taste good, and they're good for the brain | 04:52 |
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| summatusmentis | good for the brain how? | 04:53 |
| n800m | cigars smell bad tho | 04:53 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: read last months Wired mag. Personally I've noticed they make me more alert and focused | 04:54 |
| unixSnob_ | but there's studies to back it | 04:54 |
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| unixSnob_ | and it's easy to be a very occasional smoker. They're not addictive for me | 04:54 |
| summatusmentis | hmm... how does that tobacco differ from other tobacco? | 04:54 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: cigar tobacco is smoked differently. You don't inhale it | 04:55 |
| unixSnob_ | So the nicotene enters as a sublingual | 04:55 |
| * freelikegnu is happy there is Iwan Ries in Chicago | 04:55 | |
| freelikegnu | very good rolling tobacco | 04:55 |
| summatusmentis | hmm... well, we'll see... I'd try it once... | 04:56 |
| freelikegnu | 400g for about US$20 | 04:56 |
| n800m | you're in chicago? | 04:56 |
| n800m | i used to go to that shop all the time | 04:56 |
| n800m | on wabash | 04:57 |
| freelikegnu | yep | 04:57 |
| n800m | nice folks | 04:57 |
| freelikegnu | around the corner from where I work | 04:57 |
| n800m | I NKOW YOU | 04:57 |
| freelikegnu | probable | 04:57 |
| freelikegnu | chicago is like a small town :D | 04:58 |
| n800m | downtown is | 04:58 |
| n800m | not detroit-small, but still | 04:58 |
| freelikegnu | my kind of town | 04:58 |
| * unixSnob_ hates when a package isn't simply available using apt-get (adv-backlight) | 04:58 | |
| n800m | i always wondered about that sinatra song | 04:59 |
| n800m | was it before the new york one or after | 04:59 |
| * freelikegnu boots johnx's debian for the first time | 04:59 | |
| n800m | and was it cause of guilt | 04:59 |
| n800m | or fear of al capone | 04:59 |
| johnx | w00! | 04:59 |
| freelikegnu | hmm have to run fsck it tells me | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | freelikegnu: let me know how it works | 04:59 |
| freelikegnu | so far ok | 04:59 |
| freelikegnu | hmm | 05:00 |
| unixSnob_ | what's an "IP Engineer"? | 05:00 |
| freelikegnu | how to ctrl-d | 05:00 |
| GAN8001 | unixSnob_, I've been working rm_you over to get it into Extras, but the poor guy's busy busy busy. :) | 05:00 |
| johnx | freelikegnu, what happened? | 05:00 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: can't you just do it? | 05:01 |
| freelikegnu | says I need to manually run fsck | 05:01 |
| summatusmentis | get access, and do it | 05:01 |
| freelikegnu | or control-d | 05:01 |
| GAN8001 | Meh, he's the project admin. | 05:01 |
| GAN8001 | I stuck it on Downloads. ;) | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | alright... that makes sense | 05:02 |
| johnx | freelikegnu, that sounds bad O_o | 05:02 |
| unixSnob_ | i'll download the deb package.. just need to recall how to install it.. is it dpkg -i? | 05:02 |
| johnx | I would try untarring that again if I were you | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | yep | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: ^ | 05:02 |
| johnx | did you untar it on the n8x0? or on a desktop? | 05:02 |
| unixSnob_ | ty | 05:02 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, same thing happened to me | 05:02 |
| GAN8001 | I ran fsck | 05:02 |
| GAN8001 | turned out fine. | 05:03 |
| Navi | same | 05:03 |
| johnx | O_o | 05:03 |
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| Navi | except the reason was because I had to force poweroff on debian | 05:03 |
| freelikegnu | I mounted the partition on a linux desktop, opened a terminal and cd the partition then sudo tar -xvjpf | 05:03 |
| johnx | Navi and GAN8001 so it stopped you in the boot process and asked to run fsck manually or hit ctrl+D? | 05:04 |
| freelikegnu | yeah | 05:05 |
| GAN8001 | I plugged in a USB keyboard and did what it told me. | 05:05 |
| freelikegnu | I'll reboot and fsck | 05:05 |
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| freelikegnu | oh usb kb will work right away? | 05:05 |
| freelikegnu | neato | 05:05 |
| freelikegnu | bbl | 05:06 |
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| unixSnob_ | can any dosbox users vouch for the performance of it? | 05:12 |
| summatusmentis | whats the point? games? | 05:12 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: development | 05:13 |
| unixSnob_ | There is no Ada compiler for maemo | 05:13 |
| unixSnob_ | But there are free x86 Ada compilers | 05:14 |
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| summatusmentis | not to be rude, whats the point of Ada dev? :) | 05:14 |
| summatusmentis | not to be rude, whats the point of Ada dev? :) | 05:14 |
| summatusmentis | sorry | 05:14 |
| johnx | unixSnob_, is there something wrong with the GNU ada compiler? | 05:15 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: I'm an Ada developer. | 05:15 |
| unixSnob_ | johnx: AFAIK, it's not supporting the ARM processor | 05:15 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: what is it used for? | 05:16 |
| unixSnob_ | From what I heard in #ada, there is some backend gnat code for the ARM, but it doesn't work.. there are missing key pieces | 05:16 |
| unixSnob_ | Eg. there is no runtime engine for the ARM, I think | 05:16 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: Ada is the worlds most reliable language. I use it to develop weapons systems | 05:16 |
| unixSnob_ | Although I'm not going to make weapons w/ the NIT, I just like to be anal about quality | 05:17 |
| summatusmentis | eek.. weapons systems for who? | 05:17 |
| GAN800 | DOSBox manages about 16MHz on a good day. | 05:17 |
| unixSnob_ | I also know C++, but it's a dirty language that's easy to make mistakes in | 05:17 |
| johnx | I guess you're right on not available for ARM. Just tried to install "gnat" on debian/armel... | 05:18 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: so far for the US, but soon I'll be working for the belgians | 05:18 |
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| unixSnob_ | johnx: there is a commercial version of gnat for the ARM, but it's a different OS.. | 05:19 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob_: contractor? | 05:19 |
| unixSnob_ | So gnat really still needs to be ported in order to work on the nit | 05:19 |
| unixSnob_ | summatusmentis: yes, lately | 05:19 |
| unixSnob_ | There's no real practical need.. I mean, no lives will depend on the correctness of NIT code.. but I just want to play around with it | 05:20 |
| summatusmentis | I see | 05:20 |
| fysa | live in DC? | 05:21 |
| unixSnob_ | who? | 05:21 |
| fysa | just started contracting.. favorite part is riding the Metro. ;) | 05:22 |
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| fysa | no weapons though. just data quality. | 05:22 |
| unixSnob_ | yeah, I'm looking forward to public transportation in europe | 05:22 |
| unixSnob_ | my last gig was almost in DC | 05:22 |
| unixSnob_ | pay was 75/hr.. but I suppose that's low for that area | 05:23 |
| unixSnob_ | s/was/would have been/ | 05:23 |
| infobot | unixSnob_ meant: pay would have been 75/hr.. but I suppose that's low for that area | 05:23 |
| fysa | not quite as clean/useful as Hong Kong subway, but best I've seen in the US so far.. | 05:23 |
| unixSnob_ | fysa: it's impressive enough that it exists in the US | 05:24 |
| fysa | exactly :) | 05:24 |
| unixSnob_ | interesting that dosbox is 16MHz.. I mean, all these dos games are supported. Are they playable? | 05:25 |
| GAN800 | Yes | 05:26 |
| fysa | just need a USB -> gameport adapter ;) | 05:27 |
| * johnx remembers the game/midi port :) | 05:27 | |
| unixSnob_ | boooyaaa! adv-backlight dims much more than the stock tool.. outstanding! | 05:27 |
| GAN800 | Just need to figure out Nokia's container setup for their stock applet. . . . | 05:28 |
| unixSnob_ | i'll be able to check my email at 2am w/out blowing my eyes out | 05:28 |
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| * unixSnob_ wishes the n800 would have simply used a physical thumbwheel for the brightness | 05:30 | |
| summatusmentis | oh, but blowing your eyes out is more fun! | 05:30 |
| unixSnob_ | i've burned my retina enough times w/ this thing.. wake up at 3am to take an overseas call, and forget that it's on medium brightness | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Dedicated brightness whell? wasteful | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Rather have it for scroll. | 05:32 |
| unixSnob_ | I got in the habit of facing it away from me, and lighting the walls first until my eyes adjust | 05:32 |
| fysa | install 'motion' and keep the webcam popped out ;) | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | Scroll wheel would be awesome. | 05:32 |
| n800m | so what emulator are there for maemo? is there an amiga one? | 05:32 |
| n800m | +s | 05:32 |
| unixSnob_ | n800m: there's garnetvm | 05:33 |
| n800m | yeah, i know that one | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | There are tons. see pupnik.de, Downloads/Extras and itT Gaming | 05:33 |
| fysa | there's an Amiga emu. | 05:33 |
| n800m | there is? | 05:33 |
| unixSnob_ | atari 2600? I could use that one | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | Stick a scroll wheel on the top right of the device. | 05:33 |
| n800m | there's a lot os music software for atari/amiga/c64 | 05:33 |
| n800m | maybe it'll run in an emu | 05:34 |
| fysa | couple linux music apps that compile | 05:35 |
| n800m | i had PDa running but i can't use it without a keyboard | 05:35 |
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| n800m | and a little tracker that couldn't make a peep so far | 05:35 |
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| n800m | i can't find the amiga one :/ | 05:36 |
| fysa | I can't think of the name, starts with an H. | 05:36 |
| fysa | hydrogen. | 05:36 |
| n800m | ok | 05:36 |
| fysa | http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=screenshots | 05:37 |
| fysa | slightly complex for our screensize though | 05:37 |
| unixSnob_ | nice! there IS an atari 2600 emulator! | 05:37 |
| n800m | omg that looks so sweet | 05:37 |
| n800m | unixSnob link? | 05:38 |
| n800m | btw - http://www.morganleahrecords.com/mooglecharm/programs.html | 05:38 |
| unixSnob_ | http://pupnik.de/software.html | 05:39 |
| n800m | those are all maemo? | 05:39 |
| n800m | omg | 05:39 |
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| unixSnob_ | interesting.. so there's a PalmOS emulator (POSE), and a Garnet VM. what's the diff? | 05:40 |
| * unixSnob_ would like to see some iPhone ripoff tools.. like the photo viewer | 05:42 | |
| fysa | Canola? | 05:42 |
| johnx | unixSnob_, open source vs closed source? | 05:42 |
| unixSnob_ | damn.. I never should have dumped King's Quest for the Apple 2 :( | 05:43 |
| n800m | have you found the deb for the amiga emu? | 05:48 |
| n800m | oh | 05:48 |
| n800m | nm | 05:48 |
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| unixSnob_ | johnx: perhaps.. guess I'll have to try both | 05:51 |
| johnx | consensus is that garnetvm is farther along | 05:51 |
| johnx | but no one knows what the plan is for it | 05:52 |
| johnx | it's free for now but there's apparently an expiration date (?!) | 05:52 |
| n800m | i reaqlly wish the underscore key were on the first screen of the kb | 05:54 |
| unixSnob_ | bastards | 05:54 |
| * unixSnob_ considers using the adv-backlight CLI to schedule a cronjob to dim to the lowest at 12am | 05:55 | |
| freelikegnu | bak | 05:56 |
| freelikegnu | aw an orphaned inode | 05:56 |
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| freelikegnu | :o | 05:57 |
| n800m | fysa, do you know if anyone compiled hydrogen yet? | 05:58 |
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| * freelikegnu reboots johnx debian :D | 05:58 | |
| freelikegnu | this is great, all of my other machines run xfce :D | 05:59 |
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| * freelikegnu cheers the mouse | 05:59 | |
| johnx | :) | 05:59 |
| luddite__ | greetings | 06:00 |
| freelikegnu | ooo gnome alsamixer! | 06:01 |
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| summatusmentis | I need to figure out this booting from sd thing | 06:01 |
| summatusmentis | tomorrow | 06:01 |
| freelikegnu | johnx have you tried cellwriter? | 06:01 |
| johnx | yup | 06:01 |
| Navi | cw is fun | 06:01 |
| johnx | little slow, but usable | 06:01 |
| Navi | totally not slow :P | 06:01 |
| Navi | minimize to the systray | 06:01 |
| johnx | it doesn't *run* slow | 06:02 |
| johnx | but it's a slower input method for me than thumb typing | 06:02 |
| Navi | what's slow? | 06:02 |
| Navi | oh, pfft | 06:02 |
| johnx | but yeah, much fun :D | 06:02 |
| freelikegnu | it has a nice kb too | 06:02 |
| Navi | I need to get around to figuring out how to get matchbox-keyboard to launch from the bottom | 06:03 |
| Navi | and resizing the bottom too, rather than the top :| | 06:03 |
| johnx | can't you use devilspie to specify geometry? | 06:03 |
| luddite__ | hey, any chance anybody has a link to formatting/accessing sdhc cards, i may have bought some bum used hardware | 06:03 |
| luddite__ | i'm using nokia810, (latest flash), and ubuntu 8.02 | 06:04 |
| johnx | nothing special luddite__, you just format them like normal | 06:04 |
| Navi | johnx, it resizes my maximized windows. | 06:04 |
| Navi | it being matchbox-keyboard | 06:04 |
| luddite__ | interesting, so sdhc cards don't require any additional packages/modules | 06:04 |
| johnx | luddite__, nope | 06:05 |
| johnx | Navi, I understand that, but you don't think forcing a certain geometry (aka location+size) will help? | 06:05 |
| luddite__ | hmm, ok, i'll keep hacking it | 06:05 |
| Navi | No :P | 06:05 |
| luddite__ | thanks!! | 06:05 |
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| Navi | weak | 06:08 |
| Navi | maemo doesn't unmount the cards cleanly when turning off | 06:08 |
| johnx | haha | 06:08 |
| freelikegnu | hmm is there a way to simulate rmb built in? | 06:08 |
| johnx | slick | 06:08 |
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| Navi | Whoever's bright idea to only stick a brief description in the man page and have a separate file for the readme is a reduntard | 06:14 |
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| freelikegnu | hmm something rotated the touch input | 06:21 |
| fang64 | How does that happen? | 06:22 |
| johnx | click the bottom left corner of the screen | 06:22 |
| Navi | xrandr plugin button without xrandr support | 06:22 |
| freelikegnu | ah got it back thanks :D | 06:22 |
| johnx | now, go out and flash a kernel with rotation support :) | 06:22 |
| freelikegnu | wow this is pretty sweet john | 06:22 |
| freelikegnu | hehe | 06:22 |
| Navi | I'd probably use debian pda-style if battery didn't suck | 06:23 |
| johnx | hmm...standby mode should work I would assume | 06:23 |
| johnx | and the dvfs stuff should be working, just need to turn down the sreen backlight and make sure nothing wakes the CPU | 06:24 |
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| freelikegnu | I see there is joydev compiled in this :D | 06:26 |
| Navi | woo | 06:26 |
| * Navi grabs lejoystik | 06:27 | |
| Navi | lols, remote X | 06:29 |
| johnx | heh...now to design a "6ft viewable" GUI for the tablet | 06:30 |
| Navi | :/ | 06:30 |
| Navi | ha | 06:30 |
| * johnx wants to play duck hunt with a real "light zapper" :D | 06:30 | |
| Navi | :P | 06:31 |
| freelikegnu | yay wpa_supplicant! | 06:31 |
| freelikegnu | I love it! | 06:31 |
| johnx | wireless working for you? | 06:32 |
| freelikegnu | yes perfectly | 06:32 |
| freelikegnu | I'll try it on ttls-pap at work tomorrow | 06:33 |
| Navi | ohmigawdit crashed+rebooted | 06:33 |
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| freelikegnu | debian is on a 4gb partition of a 16gb sdhc | 06:34 |
| freelikegnu | plenty of room | 06:34 |
| Navi | 1GB here | 06:34 |
| johnx | freelikegnu, should give you plenty of space to compile things :) | 06:34 |
| Navi | woo, compilin' on teh N800 | 06:34 |
| freelikegnu | is it painful to compile on the machine? | 06:35 |
| freelikegnu | I've been using scratchbox | 06:35 |
| Navi | Big stuff, sure | 06:35 |
| freelikegnu | Ill compile the sixaxis stuff | 06:35 |
| Navi | teeny-tiny stuff, not so much | 06:35 |
| johnx | just compiled the C parts of python-hildon and python-osso last night | 06:35 |
| Navi | That's 'cuz you're crazy | 06:36 |
| johnx | that was super quick | 06:36 |
| freelikegnu | bt sixaxis works nice on my laptop, hope it will be ok on the n800 | 06:36 |
| johnx | took maybe ~30 minutes for both on a slower ARM machine | 06:36 |
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| Navi | :P | 06:39 |
| freelikegnu | hah now I am ssh,screen, irc from the debian nokia | 06:40 |
| freelikegnu | too cool | 06:40 |
| Navi | llaammmmeeee | 06:41 |
| freelikegnu | hehe | 06:41 |
| Navi | bleh | 06:41 |
| Navi | GTK doesn't like teh remote X | 06:41 |
| Navi | disgusting | 06:41 |
| freelikegnu | ssh -x intelligon -lfrancisco -p9922 | 06:42 |
| freelikegnu | doh | 06:42 |
| freelikegnu | hehe | 06:42 |
| Navi | hax | 06:42 |
| Navi | hax | 06:42 |
| Navi | hax | 06:42 |
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| freelikegnu | well ssh -X woks fine | 06:47 |
| Navi | does it? | 06:48 |
| freelikegnu | yeah I ran remotes thunar and vlc | 06:48 |
| Navi | bleh | 06:48 |
| Navi | always disconnects/change lan IP a few minutes after the initial connect | 06:49 |
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| Navi | worked after the reboot | 06:50 |
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| Navi | johnx, does user have a default password? | 06:51 |
| johnx | i'm pretty sure not | 06:51 |
| johnx | but user is locked | 06:51 |
| Navi | pretty sure? | 06:51 |
| Navi | :| | 06:52 |
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| johnx | i don't remember. what does the wiki say? | 06:52 |
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| freelikegnu | rootme is for root | 06:53 |
| freelikegnu | lol synaptic is painful | 06:53 |
| Navi | synaptic blows :P | 06:54 |
| freelikegnu | apt-cache works well enough for me :D | 06:54 |
| johnx | aptitude wins | 06:54 |
| johnx | or at least fails to lose | 06:54 |
| freelikegnu | hehe | 06:54 |
| Navi | aptitude gets part of my love | 06:54 |
| freelikegnu | using xfce on n800 makes me think that apple is not so idiotic for making macs single button | 06:55 |
| freelikegnu | xfce is kind of weird w/o rmb for me | 06:55 |
| * Navi uses a three button mouse with Macs | 06:55 | |
| freelikegnu | yeah I prefer trackball with scroll button on mac at work | 06:56 |
| johnx | just tap+hold... | 06:56 |
| Navi | Scroll toggle buttons are teh win | 06:56 |
| freelikegnu | hmm is mouse disabled on n800 debian? | 06:57 |
| Navi | I think it was an Xomap thing | 06:57 |
| johnx | it's part of xomap | 06:57 |
| johnx | maybe just give it another -mouse argument? | 06:57 |
| freelikegnu | I'll have to read up on that | 06:58 |
| johnx | -mouse /dev/touchscreen -mouse /dev/input/mice ? | 06:58 |
| freelikegnu | well I did something dumb | 07:02 |
| johnx | yay! | 07:02 |
| freelikegnu | I ran Xomap with args and it said it was locked | 07:02 |
| freelikegnu | so I killall Xomap | 07:02 |
| freelikegnu | hehe | 07:02 |
| johnx | heh | 07:02 |
| johnx | pull out that usb keyboard or use ssh | 07:03 |
| freelikegnu | using usb kb | 07:03 |
| n800m | you guys should topic this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 07:03 |
| johnx | n800m, it is | 07:03 |
| freelikegnu | its actually ps/2 on usb adapter | 07:03 |
| Navi | :oooo | 07:03 |
| Navi | n800m, the log's already in the topic. | 07:04 |
| n800m | oh yeah | 07:04 |
| n800m | i only see like half of it | 07:04 |
| Navi | ^_^ | 07:04 |
| Navi | I see even less | 07:05 |
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| Navi | heh | 07:10 |
| n800m | uae isn't working | 07:10 |
| n800m | or i'm missing something | 07:10 |
| freelikegnu | gah why dont folding bt kbs have a pointing device?!!? | 07:10 |
| Navi | wow, the LCD just faded out O_o | 07:11 |
| Navi | freelikegnu, because that old-age technology is too old! | 07:11 |
| freelikegnu | whee sshfs! | 07:14 |
| * freelikegnu is swimming in the debian ppol | 07:14 | |
| Navi | woo | 07:14 |
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| freelikegnu | *poo | 07:14 |
| freelikegnu | pool even | 07:14 |
| johnx | Navi, faded out in debian or OS2008? | 07:15 |
| Navi | debian | 07:19 |
| Navi | did a shutdown | 07:20 |
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| freelikegnu | facebook ground me to a halt :o | 07:28 |
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| Navi | good | 07:29 |
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| freelikegnu | printer spooler?! | 07:32 |
| freelikegnu | oh my | 07:32 |
| * johnx heads off to work | 07:32 | |
| freelikegnu | cya john and thanks! | 07:32 |
| johnx | :) | 07:32 |
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| Navi | Woo | 07:34 |
| Navi | infobot is totally back | 07:34 |
| Navi | infobot, you rock | 07:34 |
| infobot | aw, gee, Navi | 07:34 |
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| tank-man | robotcop lol | 07:44 |
| robotcop | robotcop | 07:44 |
| robotcop | Inside joke on another channel | 07:45 |
| tank-man | sounds like a rippoff like michael mouse | 07:45 |
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| tank-man | aka mickey mouse | 07:45 |
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| freelikegnu | oh man lots of upgraded packages | 08:19 |
| * freelikegnu leaves his nit to chew on upgrades | 08:19 | |
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| mysc | free, what os? | 08:25 |
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| lopz | night | 09:09 |
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| mysc | anyone awake? | 09:15 |
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| Navi | maybe | 09:15 |
| mysc | heh. i was wondering about security-related updates/patches. for example, there's a 0-day on the adobe flashplayer plugin | 09:16 |
| mysc | when/how/do? these things get addressed for os2008? | 09:16 |
| tank-man | ask adobe? | 09:16 |
| Navi | It's really a big meh to me | 09:16 |
| mysc | tank, adobe will release an upgrade. my question is maemo-specific | 09:17 |
| Navi | Security through obscurity, the NITs being pretty obscure :P | 09:17 |
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| Navi | I don't know how the official devs react | 09:17 |
| mysc | navi, linux is linux, a root exploit will give you root when the proc is arm just as well as when the proc is intel | 09:17 |
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| mysc | hrmm. would the upstream debian/armel libflashplayer.so work? | 09:19 |
| Navi | Yes, but linux itself is obscure as well. Furthermore, I'd actually have to have it connected, which I don't do unless I'm actually using it or at home | 09:19 |
| tank-man | "The entry at US-CERT says Adobe is saying it is fixed in the current 9.0.124 version dated 3/24/2008." | 09:20 |
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| Navi | I'm much more worried about packet sniffers than people taking over | 09:20 |
| mysc | there's still confusion about this. either way, os2008 ships with 9.0.31.33 | 09:20 |
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| Navi | Diablo's only seeing a minor update | 09:21 |
| Navi | You could always try :P | 09:21 |
| mysc | Navi, wpa2 is quite safe. while closed, no reports on breaking it without bruteforcing | 09:21 |
| Navi | Well, yeah, but my Uni's network is an open one. | 09:21 |
| tank-man | web browser is run by the user anyways, not root | 09:22 |
| mysc | if you have some secure endpoint you trust you can go vpn or even ssh tunnel route | 09:22 |
| mysc | hah | 09:22 |
| mysc | tank, that's why they're called root exploits. they allow unpriviliged code to run ring0 | 09:23 |
| tank-man | i see | 09:23 |
| Navi | I don't have a secure endpoint, sadly | 09:23 |
| mysc | Navi, in general, how cross-compatible are things on mameo with the debian/arm packages (assuming no X libs) | 09:24 |
| Navi | I've never tried | 09:24 |
| mysc | navi, are you a developer? | 09:25 |
| Navi | No | 09:25 |
| dragorn | in general they're fairly compatible, though just doing a dpkg-src and building it will make a package that the app-manager doesn't like, but dpkg cli in a terminal on maemo will handle ok | 09:28 |
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| dragorn | of course anything with binary components (ie, flash) would be highly platform dependent | 09:28 |
| kulve | debian/arm is old, debian/armel is newer | 09:29 |
| mysc | hrmm, a quick look on the adobe site has no armel version. | 09:29 |
| kulve | yeah, adobe supports publicly very narrow set of environments | 09:29 |
| mysc | or an arm version, for that matter. seems like they did a one-off for nokia or else it's not public | 09:30 |
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| Navi | Well, like I said before, the Diablo one is slightly newer | 09:30 |
| Navi | so it'd be like a two-off | 09:30 |
| mysc | is diablo pretty stable already? | 09:31 |
| * Navi shrugs | 09:32 | |
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| mysc | dragorn/kulve, agreed, and thanks. | 09:32 |
| Navi | I only tried it for an hour or so | 09:32 |
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| timely | mysc: linux is not linux | 09:55 |
| timely | linux-arm is not binary compatible w/ linux-x86 | 09:55 |
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| timely | most exploits require per arch code and techniques, and the payoff for hacking tablets isn't worth it | 09:56 |
| timely | for that matter, linux-eabi is not compatible w/ linux-arm ... | 09:57 |
| timely | tank-man: what's the ceert url for that? | 09:57 |
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| timely | http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA08-100A.html ? | 09:58 |
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| tank-man | http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/395473 | 10:00 |
| timely | flashplugin-alternative.so was the adobe plugin?! | 10:01 |
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| Navi | :o | 10:01 |
| tank-man | on the tablets, i dont know | 10:01 |
| timely | tablets i know | 10:02 |
| timely | but that thing says that in general on linux | 10:02 |
| timely | which is just wierd | 10:02 |
| Navi | People assume | 10:02 |
| Navi | It's easier to overgeneralize everything | 10:02 |
| Navi | So, how's life, timely? | 10:03 |
| timely | i'm trying to figure out how to fly HEL => NGO | 10:04 |
| timely | and i have like 15mins to do it :) | 10:04 |
| Navi | :D | 10:04 |
| timely | youch | 10:04 |
| Navi | time machine | 10:04 |
| timely | um... that flight path is *not* cheap | 10:04 |
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| Navi | heh | 10:07 |
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| timely | ok, YVR <=> NGO is ~1500USD | 10:10 |
| Navi | Ouch | 10:10 |
| Navi | Damn | 10:10 |
| Navi | Wait, NGO? | 10:11 |
| timely | it's better than HEL <=> NGO which is ~1900USD | 10:11 |
| mysc | if the os-base is similar enough then an injection of root code will work and then it's only a matter of changing the code you're injecting to be arm code | 10:11 |
| mysc | i accept that the relative obscurity is a defense though | 10:11 |
| timely | you're assuming there's even a root exploit to be had | 10:12 |
| timely | the flash exploit seems to be a normal arbitrary code exploit | 10:12 |
| timely | i don't know of any local root exploits available for os2008 | 10:12 |
| timely | although i suppose you /might/ be able to convince application manager to install something for you... but iirc that generally requires interaction which should really require way too much effort | 10:13 |
| Navi | Flights are so expensive now :( | 10:13 |
| tbf | Navi: well, rule of thumb: book as early as possible | 10:14 |
| Navi | Of course :P | 10:14 |
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| timely | HEL <=> NRT is ~1350 USD | 10:15 |
| timely | tbf: fails miserably if you're trying to figure out who's coming/not for how long | 10:16 |
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| timely | No flights were found between Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR-All Airports) and Nykoping, Sweden (NYO-Skavsta) that matched your request. | 10:17 |
| Navi | Any reason in particular that you're flying to Japan? | 10:17 |
| timely | i want to meet some people i know there and be a tourist | 10:17 |
| Navi | Ah | 10:17 |
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| Navi | Woo \o/ | 10:17 |
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| timely | ok, YVR <=> NRT is <1300 USD | 10:18 |
| timely | which i guess is the winner | 10:18 |
| timely | actually, i'd hope to at least visit thailand and a couple of other places | 10:18 |
| Navi | funfun | 10:19 |
| Navi | Burst into johnx's apartment and steal his tablet | 10:19 |
| timely | is he there? | 10:19 |
| Navi | I forget where he lives in Japan | 10:19 |
| timely | i'm not picky, i expect to travel to a couple of cities | 10:20 |
| timely | LAX <=> NRT is < 1200 USD | 10:20 |
| timely | (these are all roundtrip fairs) | 10:20 |
| Navi | Heh | 10:20 |
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| timely | basically, i want to visit thailand, hong kong, maybe mainland china, japan, maybe LA or SFO/SJC and my anchors are YVR and HEL | 10:21 |
| Navi | Lot of traveling there | 10:22 |
| timely | well... i'll be around YVR for a week | 10:22 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 10:23 |
| tank-man | watch out for the tasers at YVR :) i'm kidding | 10:25 |
| timely | ? | 10:26 |
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| tank-man | didnt hear of that story a while back of a guy getting tasered at YVR ? | 10:26 |
| timely | wow. HEL <=> KIX is 900USD | 10:26 |
| Navi | Woo | 10:26 |
| tank-man | google serach of "YVR taser" will show up stories of it | 10:27 |
| timely | at that point, it's actually ok to do | 10:27 |
| * Navi proceeds to look up the name of another airport | 10:27 | |
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| timely | anyway, i give up.. time to find a travel agent to figure out the rest :) | 10:28 |
| Navi | Lol | 10:30 |
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| Khertan_n810_die | there is really helpfull people at the nokia care phone line ! i 'm surprised | 10:37 |
| * qwerty12 N800 is pissing me off. my internal memory card is always "in use". lsof says nothing is using it. | 10:38 | |
| Navi | Happens | 10:38 |
| qwerty12 | No, this is happening all the time | 10:38 |
| Navi | Happens | 10:38 |
| qwerty12 | Even from a clean reboot :/ | 10:38 |
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| Navi | It stopped doing it as much after I removed the media scanner | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | I'm just gonna swap the mmc's when I need them | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, will do that | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | multimediad crashed when I removed the mmc manually | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | So I guess it's on that end somewhere | 10:39 |
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| herwood | Hello | 10:53 |
| herwood | does anyone happen to know any good tutorial from drag and drop -functionality? | 10:54 |
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| X-Fade | Hi all from LinuxTag | 11:10 |
| Navi | Hi | 11:10 |
| Navi | Fun fun? | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, Hi, Enjoying yourself? | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, the fun is only getting started :) | 11:11 |
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| X-Fade | Or track starts in about 1 hour and 45 minutes. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | I hope we will keep proper connections, so I can keep you guys posted. | 11:13 |
| Khertan_n810_die | qwerty12 > does your swap is active ? | 11:15 |
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| Khertan_n810_die | what is the media-engine process ? | 11:16 |
| Navi | Eh | 11:16 |
| Navi | I'm really tired | 11:16 |
| Navi | Good night guys | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810_die, Yes it is come think of it, but isn't meant to get deactivated? Thanks, I'll try turning it off. | 11:16 |
| Khertan_n810_die | is it related to metalayer-crawler ? | 11:16 |
| Khertan_n810_die | good night Navi ... | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Good night | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810_die, Thanks! Deactivating swap worked :) | 11:17 |
| Khertan_n810_die | :) | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | But it's gonna be annoying to keep activating and disabling. osso-mmc-mount is meant to disable it automatically >.< | 11:17 |
| * qwerty12 goes off to make DSP/CPU run at 133/400 | 11:19 | |
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| qwerty12 | I shouldn't be changing the DEFAULT_OP from OP_1 right? | 11:26 |
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| pupnik810 | morning | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | pupnik810: Are you at LinuxTag too? | 11:40 |
| pupnik810 | yep | 11:42 |
| pupnik810 | dev center | 11:42 |
| keesj | holding a n810? | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | Raise your hand, I'm there too. | 11:42 |
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| keesj | scannig X-Fade .... | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | 2 guys at a table, one red shirt, me blue. | 11:44 |
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| keesj | wasn't there supposed to be a booth for maemo? | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | There was a display with the tablets yesterday, but we don't have that today. | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Everybody will be at the track today, so nobody to man the booth. | 11:55 |
| keesj | thhere where a few at the OE camp | 11:55 |
| keesj | I will try to get the qemu full emulation working on my computer. | 11:57 |
| keesj | perhaps with mamona :P | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | keesj, <whisper> If you get maemo working, slip me config </whisper> :p | 11:58 |
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| Khertan_n810_die | is there a way to clear memory on a tablet without usb cable ? | 12:13 |
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| Khertan_n810_die | the n810 doesn't start | 12:13 |
| Khertan_n810_die | :) | 12:13 |
| Khertan_n810_die | i don't want that all my ssh key et gpg private key be accessible ... | 12:14 |
| Khertan_n810_die | as other password | 12:14 |
| Khertan_n810_die | ? | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | You mean of the memory cards? You won't be able to do the built in 2gb, unless you have bootmenu installed :/ | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | And even then, you need a usb cable >.< | 12:14 |
| Khertan_n810_die | memory card and internal (/home/user) | 12:14 |
| Khertan_n810_die | :( | 12:15 |
| qwerty12 | If your N810 won't boot, then you need at least ssh and a usb cable to do things like that. | 12:15 |
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| speilicke | can someone tell me where to find the default root password? | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | You don't need one unless you install openssh | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | ~easyroot | 12:17 |
| infobot | from memory, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com | 12:17 |
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| speilicke | I want to do stuff as root on a shell on the n810 and got stuck at password entry | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | Did you try the link above? | 12:19 |
| johnx | there is a no root password | 12:19 |
| speilicke | sec | 12:19 |
| johnx | to get root install easyroot (above) or install openssh-server (which sets a root password as part of the install | 12:19 |
| speilicke | johnx: dunno but mine has one | 12:19 |
| johnx | err...the root password is unmatchable | 12:19 |
| johnx | not blank | 12:19 |
| speilicke | nope /etc/passwd has some hash for root | 12:20 |
| johnx | are you on the latest OS2008? | 12:21 |
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| qwerty12 | At the end of the day, we can't do anything with it. So you have to install easyroot or openssh which lets you change the password. You can edit sudoers afterwards to let you run any command with sudo. | 12:22 |
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| speilicke | ok, easyroot worked | 12:22 |
| darren_ | Hello, does anyone here have any idea about how the Internet Connectivity Daemon works more specifically in depth parts of the WLAN side? | 12:23 |
| speilicke | I wonder how secure a device can be if it's that easy to break root. Just before I thought, that I might give john the ripper a try ... | 12:23 |
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| johnx | well, dpkg has to run as root...otherwise you can't install anything... | 12:24 |
| johnx | it's the user's choice | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia don't mean to lock you out. Google RD mode. | 12:24 |
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| speilicke | johnx: Don't tell me that, I know which tools need root. The questions is a) Why is a root-pwd secretly set and b) Can be broken easily by installing a stupid app from the web and type "root". This way enables me to break every N8*0 i get into my hands | 12:26 |
| johnx | if dpkg has root it's trivial to make a package that grants you root access too | 12:26 |
| johnx | and yes, generally once you have physical access to a machine it's easy to get root | 12:27 |
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| speilicke | johnx: I wonder what expert designed such a system... I thought these times where over | 12:28 |
| johnx | it's called Unix | 12:28 |
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| speilicke | It it's the case what you're telling me, nobody would sanely run a ssh server to let other users on a box | 12:29 |
| * qwerty12 is reminded of meanwhile | 12:29 | |
| johnx | uhm...if you let people *install apps onto the system* then you've already given away root | 12:30 |
| johnx | why try and be annoying about it? | 12:30 |
| * wnd sighs, "no popcorn here" | 12:30 | |
| johnx | anyways, the root password used to be "rootme" with a locked root account and no way to login remotely | 12:31 |
| speilicke | johnx: Sorry i just got a N810 into my hands to do some embedded dev on it, I didn't bought it. Maybe Nokia thought letting it as easy as can be for normal users but I've to shake my head... | 12:31 |
| johnx | I was under the impression they changed it to an umatchable password, but apparently not | 12:31 |
| speilicke | anyway, thanks for your help ;) | 12:32 |
| johnx | sure | 12:32 |
| johnx | didn't mean to snap at you :) | 12:32 |
| speilicke | me neither ;) | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | LMAO : http://www.audiforums.com/m_693578/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#693578 | 12:32 |
| johnx | speilicke, the N8x0 software platform is closer to a desktop/laptop debian machine than a phone or true embedded system | 12:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12, ah, the art of trolling | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, the meanwhile thing? | 12:35 |
| johnx | nah, the audi thing | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 12:35 |
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| mgedmin810 | hi, pupnik810 | 12:36 |
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| qwerty12 | lol, so did you all find each other at ltag? | 12:37 |
| * mgedmin810 is standing outside the developer room in linuxtag | 12:37 | |
| mgedmin810 | with lcuk | 12:37 |
| lcuk | not yet | 12:37 |
| lcuk | good morning folks, im nervous as hell ... | 12:37 |
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| johnx | lcuk, you'll do fine. :) | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | morning, cheer up, hope your presentation goes well :) | 12:38 |
| lcuk | so do i | 12:38 |
| johnx | just take a deep breath and launch into it | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | Imagine the audience is wearing... | 12:39 |
| lcuk | cant | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | gold n800's with diamonds on their neck | 12:39 |
| lcuk | pupnik810 where are you hiding | 12:39 |
| mgedmin810 | why not n810"? | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | N800's more shinier :p | 12:39 |
| mgedmin810 | er, that " was supposed to be a s | 12:39 |
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| mgedmin810 | where are all the other maemo people hiding? | 12:41 |
| pupnik810 | lcuk were in the dev center | 12:41 |
| pupnik810 | next to paris | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | fcuk, wlancond doesn't like debug being turned off in kernel | 12:42 |
| pupnik810 | me blue shirt -keesj white t-shirt | 12:42 |
| mgedmin810 | we went to get some coffee | 12:43 |
| mgedmin810 | lcuk didn't recognise you | 12:43 |
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| _berto_ | iÂÂÂ'm in the paris room | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | Any news from LinuxTag yet? | 12:50 |
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| mgedmin810 | I saw kobo deluxe running on a n800 | 12:53 |
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| qwerty12 | I think kobo deluxe was a pupnik port iirc | 12:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8899 | 12:54 |
| * johnx pokes at the new garnetvm | 12:54 | |
| mgedmin810 | this one was done by an openembedded guy | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 12:54 |
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| mgedmin810 | lcuk was impressed | 12:56 |
| mgedmin810 | and said that pupnik should see it | 12:57 |
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| Blafasel | Still thinking about going to Berlin/Linuxtag tomorrow ;) | 13:01 |
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| mgedmin810 | quim is talking now | 13:06 |
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| darren_ | Once again does anyone what applications are called etc with the internet connectivity daemon when it tries to connect to a network | 13:07 |
| darren_ | specifically a wlan | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | If you want to run something once it's connected, look into dbus-scripts | 13:08 |
| darren_ | qwerty12 was that in response to my question??? | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 13:10 |
| darren_ | That really does not help | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | Fine then | 13:10 |
| darren_ | I need to know these things specifically because I intend to rewrite the internet connectivity daemon | 13:11 |
| darren_ | at least the wlan part | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, I thought you just wanted to run something after connecting | 13:11 |
| darren_ | No i intend to rewrite it in an attempt to close Maemo bug# 950 and make it use wpasupplicant for most of its wlan connections | 13:12 |
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| pupnik810 | goin out fer a smoke | 13:13 |
| darren_ | Thats why I really need to know at least what programs and where the source code is for the wlan side of the ICD | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: I want to know what he was referring to when he said they'd all be busy at the end of September ;-) | 13:13 |
| Khertan_n810_die | a new garnet vm ? | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | darren_, I don't know if this will help any, so don't kill me :/ : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-wlan/ | 13:14 |
| darren_ | I will look into it, thank you | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | Also, this is for 770 but info seems useful to me imho: http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ | 13:15 |
| darren_ | cool | 13:15 |
| darren_ | I just finished fixing the damn EeePC 701 with its broken madwifi and wpasupplicant | 13:16 |
| darren_ | and now that i have an N810 | 13:16 |
| darren_ | I have to fix that | 13:16 |
| * qwerty12 has to fix my <unknown> software version. NOLO could do with some fixes >.< | 13:16 | |
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| darren_ | Unfortunatly the WiFi networks at my uni/workplace are PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with wep and PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with WPA | 13:18 |
| darren_ | Thank you qwerty12, it looks like the package you pointed to was exactly what I was looking for | 13:19 |
| darren_ | or at least part of it | 13:19 |
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| jitu3485 | can someone please tell how panning /zooming of maps is done in maemo-mapper? | 13:39 |
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| tank-man | with stylus and -/+ keys | 13:40 |
| X-Fade_ | Quim is having his talk now. | 13:42 |
| X-Fade_ | Fremantle will be the successor of Diablo, not Elephanta. | 13:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Why from D > F? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | I thought logic would have been D > E. | 13:43 |
| X-Fade_ | More info about that later. | 13:43 |
| X-Fade_ | After Fremantle there will be Harmattan. | 13:44 |
| mgedmin810 | it's the Finnish alphabet :) | 13:44 |
| pupnik810 | hmm is there power for laptop on the stage? | 13:44 |
| X-Fade_ | pupnik810: yes. | 13:45 |
| andre___ | oh, live writing from linuxtag :-) | 13:46 |
| mgedmin810 | harmattan will have qt | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | ooh | 13:46 |
| mgedmin810 | in addition to gtk, I hope | 13:46 |
| X-Fade_ | Fremantle = Hildon + GTK+ evolved. | 13:46 |
| X-Fade_ | Harmattan will have Qt integrated. | 13:46 |
| mgedmin810 | the qt logo always reminds me of the soviet hammer and sickle | 13:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I see what you mean | 13:47 |
| darren_ | I found part of the icd in the package osso-ic, does anyone known where that source file is? | 13:47 |
| mgedmin810 | I think it's closed | 13:48 |
| * darren_ grumbles | 13:48 | |
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| mgedmin810 | better check that | 13:48 |
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| mgedmin810 | I'd love to be proved wrong | 13:49 |
| darren_ | well it is not in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/ | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | The really really old for (for 2006 can be found here) :/ : http://stage.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/source/o/osso-ic-oss/ | 13:50 |
| mgedmin810 | dists/.../Sources is safer to check | 13:50 |
| mgedmin810 | sometimes the source package name starts with a different letter | 13:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Best I can find is this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/source/osso-ic-oss_1.0.4.tar.gz - os2007 though | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | iirc | 13:51 |
| darren_ | hmmm maybe me and nokia need to have a screaming match... maybe | 13:51 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa's diagram is being used. | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | darren_, get a plane to linuxtag and disrupt nokia presentations :p | 13:51 |
| X-Fade_ | The one on community involvement, control and openness. | 13:51 |
| * darren_ ponders it | 13:52 | |
| * darren_ checks when and where next LinuxTag conference is | 13:52 | |
| andre___ | linuxtag is always at berlin at the end of may | 13:52 |
| borism | :) | 13:53 |
| darren_ | hmmmm the credit card will cover it | 13:53 |
| darren_ | unfortunately not quite | 13:54 |
| darren_ | although | 13:54 |
| darren_ | Nope to expensive | 13:55 |
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| mgedmin810 | voice call to a tablet placed next to a microphone? | 13:56 |
| X-Fade_ | There wil ba a 100 days community action plan. More info on that later.. | 13:56 |
| mgedmin810 | maemo summit on sep 19 in Berlin | 13:56 |
| darren_ | now that I could make it too | 13:57 |
| andre___ | :-) | 13:57 |
| darren_ | There might be some language barrier problems | 13:57 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade_: cool that my diagram's being used (unless it's being used to say "look how wrong Jaffa got it <chortle />" | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, Sep 19th. I think I'm in Arnhem later that week, so Berlin might be doable (depending on who's invited) | 13:59 |
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| mgedmin810 | q & a now | 14:00 |
| keesj | Jaffa: your slide was presented | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | What did "Gtk+ evolved" mean, BTW? Better/easier porting of existing apps without having to do the HildonProgram/Window/menu thing? | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | keesj: ace :) | 14:01 |
| keesj | http://www.keesj.dds.nl/p5291789.jpg | 14:02 |
| mgedmin810 | probably the usual integration of new upstream versions | 14:02 |
| mgedmin810 | porters are complaining about gtk 2.10 in chinook | 14:03 |
| andre___ | maybe. gtk 2.14 is expected for july | 14:05 |
| zap | keesj: three guys only at LinuxTAG? | 14:05 |
| mgedmin810 | surely more | 14:06 |
| andre___ | +1 | 14:06 |
| zap | I see two sleeping guys on the shot :) | 14:06 |
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| _berto_ | <-- | 14:08 |
| Blafasel | Are you guys (pupnik, lcuk, X-Fade) in Berlin tomorrow as well? | 14:09 |
| * mgedmin810 will be | 14:09 | |
| * _berto_ too | 14:10 | |
| X-Fade_ | Blafasel: Only in the morning. | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yay! fame :-) | 14:11 |
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| mgedmin810 | oh, I see you | 14:33 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin810/lcuk/X-Fade: you writing this up for planet.m.o? | 14:43 |
| Khertan_n810_die | N810 now in the hand of nokia ... | 14:43 |
| Khertan_n810_die | i hope nokia repair center will fix it fastly :) | 14:43 |
| lcuk | sat with lardman hrw monis and a few others | 14:45 |
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| Jaffa | monis is nomis' evil twin? | 14:46 |
| ccooke | hmm. Usning a bluetooth keyboard on my n810, I have a mild oddity... | 14:46 |
| ccooke | It seems to be stuck in compose mode | 14:47 |
| ccooke | I can't type a ' or " normally (any time I press ', it'll add an accent to the *next* character I type) | 14:47 |
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| rm_you | I'm back! :) | 14:49 |
| rm_you | and... sleep time | 14:49 |
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| rm_you | how did (or, is?) linuxtag go? | 14:49 |
| lcuk | its going ok | 14:49 |
| rm_you | still a day or two left? | 14:49 |
| qwerty12-N800 | lcuk, done your presentation? :) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | yer - badly | 14:50 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:50 |
| rm_you | any videos up? | 14:50 |
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| mgedmin810 | no video cameras were there | 14:52 |
| mgedmin810 | I suspect only audio was recorded | 14:52 |
| mgedmin810 | ccooke: keymap issue | 14:53 |
| mgedmin810 | dead_apostrophe mapped on that key, probably | 14:53 |
| keesj | lcuk: the presentation was fine | 14:54 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186836&postcount=640 | 15:16 |
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| * mgedmin810 installs vagalume | 16:22 | |
| mgedmin810 | nice | 16:22 |
| _berto_ | :D | 16:23 |
| mgedmin810 | it could have a button to open last.fm signup page in the browser | 16:23 |
| qwerty12-N800 | i prefer it over the canola plug-in, nice job _berto_ | 16:23 |
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| _berto_ | thanks qwerty12-N800 :) | 16:24 |
| _berto_ | mgedmin810: yes, we have an experimental patch for that | 16:24 |
| _berto_ | and to go to the artist's page | 16:24 |
| * mgedmin810 doesn't understand some of the icons | 16:25 | |
| mgedmin810 | sadly no tooltips on maemo... | 16:25 |
| _berto_ | yes, I know | 16:25 |
| _berto_ | hopefully we'll fix that | 16:26 |
| _berto_ | just click on them, they're harmless | 16:26 |
| _berto_ | and if not they'll show a confirmation dialog | 16:26 |
| mgedmin810 | good | 16:26 |
| term-sig | anyone know any software for n810 where u can send pictures made on camera straight to flicker? | 16:26 |
| johnx | term-sig, maemo-publishr | 16:27 |
| mgedmin810 | nice | 16:27 |
| term-sig | tnx johnx. | 16:27 |
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| johnx | though that still requires you to take pics in "camera" or "gps-camera" and then upload | 16:28 |
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| mgedmin810 | camera tends to make my nokia crash | 16:29 |
| mgedmin810 | uses so much cpu the watchdog kills it | 16:29 |
| mgedmin810 | no idea why | 16:29 |
| mgedmin810 | and if not the watchdog, then I pull the battery | 16:29 |
| * qwerty12-N800 wishes op_mode can be switched from sysfs | 16:30 | |
| mgedmin810 | 5 minutes of completely nonresponsive tablet | 16:30 |
| wnd | you can always take comfort in the fact that the camera sucks anyway | 16:30 |
| johnx | yeah | 16:30 |
| johnx | I gave up on it a long time ago :/ | 16:31 |
| mgedmin810 | yeah, that too | 16:31 |
| wnd | and for the record, I've observed exactly same behaviour | 16:31 |
| johnx | same here | 16:31 |
| johnx | I worry that it might just be a sketchy driver :/ | 16:31 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | ? | 16:34 |
| johnx | I mean: I wonder if the camera driver is to blame | 16:34 |
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| unixSnob | Which of these emulators offers the best performance? ATARI 2600 - Stella, Amiga - UAE, IBM PC - DOSBox, Commodore 64 - Frodo, PalmOS - POSE, Sega Genesis - DGen, SNES - Snes9x, Playstation 1 - PCSX, Nintendo DS - Desmume, Apple][- itApple | 16:35 |
| johnx | garnetvm | 16:35 |
| mgedmin810 | well, video internet calls work fine | 16:36 |
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| mgedmin810 | perhaps the camera app polls too often | 16:36 |
| glass | unixSnob: wouldn't think that the simplest | 16:36 |
| glass | err | 16:36 |
| RST38h | *yawn* | 16:36 |
| glass | would think | 16:36 |
| unixSnob | heh, I should have excluded palm from that list, since I know there is no Ada compiler for ARM | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | So, gentlemen, how are things? | 16:36 |
| glass | no ada compiler for arm?? | 16:36 |
| johnx | unixSnob, basilisk looks nice for mac os classic | 16:37 |
| unixSnob | glass: correct | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | unixSnob: Why do you need an Ada compiler again? | 16:37 |
| unixSnob | glass: there is a commercial one, but it's not ported to maemo | 16:37 |
| unixSnob | johnx: thanks.. I'll look into it | 16:37 |
| glass | unixSnob: ah. i expected there to have been one because of where ada seems to usually(only) used with.. | 16:37 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: That's the language for which I am the most proficient | 16:37 |
| johnx | that's still the oddest thing to me...there's an ada compiler for every other architecture that debian supports it seems | 16:38 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: umgh | 16:38 |
| RST38h | You want to use it on a tablet? | 16:38 |
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| unixSnob | well there is gnat for x86/linux, but not arm/linux. | 16:38 |
| unixSnob | Ada has a very robust and complicated runtime system, so it's not at all simple to port to another processor | 16:39 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: the n800 is my target | 16:39 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: Why not use gnat? | 16:39 |
| RST38h | If gcc crosscompiler exists, why not gnat? | 16:40 |
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| unixSnob | gnat cannot compile ada code for the arm processor | 16:40 |
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| johnx | why not take this opportunity to expand your horizons and learn python? | 16:41 |
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| glass | wouldn't you need to do all kinds of hooks to c anyways | 16:42 |
| glass | depending on what you want to do anyways | 16:42 |
| unixSnob | johnx: I'm looking to increase proficiency in the language I know best.. I still have some things to learn about Ada. | 16:42 |
| johnx | fair enough | 16:42 |
| RST38h | > arm-rtems4.7 does build C, C++, and Ada on the gcc SVN head. I have | 16:43 |
| RST38h | > done no testing beyond that. | 16:43 |
| unixSnob | I'd rather be a master of one trade than a jack of all trades | 16:43 |
| * johnx follows the opposite path | 16:43 | |
| Dead_K_n810 | huhu olpc will run under windows now ? it s a joke ? | 16:43 |
| glass | not being ok in something doesn't mean you couldn't be great in something | 16:43 |
| unixSnob | glass: yes, I know multilingual programming.. as an Adaist, I'm accustomed to interfacing with C libs | 16:43 |
| Dead_K_n810 | http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/20788/ | 16:43 |
| glass | i use whatever is available | 16:43 |
| johnx | Dead_K_n810, nope, not a joke. Also, old news. | 16:44 |
| Dead_K_n810 | 10 days ago only ? | 16:44 |
| unixSnob | Dead_K_n810: unfortunately it's real | 16:44 |
| RST38h | 10 days is old | 16:44 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: ok, gnat will compile ada code for the arm processor, but it's missing the runtime library, so it cannot function | 16:44 |
| RST38h | why "unfortunately" though? The whole OLPC project is a sham anyway | 16:44 |
| RST38h | unix: Why can't you compile the aruntime library too? | 16:45 |
| unixSnob | The runtime library is crucial | 16:45 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: there is no ada runtime library that builds for the arm | 16:45 |
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| * RST38h is more interested to know what will happen to HP, DELL, etc when customers start switching to super-cheap underpowered Chinese subnotebooks | 16:46 | |
| Dead_K_n810 | RST38h > yes ... but as i read news on my n810 ... look at the nick | 16:46 |
| Dead_K_n810 | <-- | 16:46 |
| RST38h | All of these (ASUS EE, etc) run Windows! =) | 16:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, hp and dell are in the game too | 16:46 |
| unixSnob | This is a common complaint in #ada.. folks come in there looking for an ada compiler for arm | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | johnx: The only problem is that their overhead is higher so they won;t be able to compete at such low margins | 16:46 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | hp and dell will make mini notebook too ... | 16:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, well, it's the same as it's always been, just a different form factor / price point | 16:47 |
| Dead_K_n810 | i more interested by how apple will don't make one | 16:47 |
| RST38h | $200..$400 is a seriously low price for a notebook | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | Apple will not, they don't need to | 16:48 |
| Dead_K_n810 | :) | 16:48 |
| RST38h | They are not in a price war with anybody | 16:48 |
| johnx | the next couple years of portable hardware should be pretty interesting :) | 16:48 |
| Dead_K_n810 | from my point of view ... it s the problem | 16:48 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | i ll like to see an nit like by apple without all this stupid apple limitations :) | 16:49 |
| RST38h | iPad? =) | 16:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | (no interpreted language on iPhone ... so no Python) | 16:49 |
| RST38h | in the Star Trek style? =) | 16:49 |
| johnx | ipod touch | 16:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | ipod touch sucks ... | 16:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | no bt | 16:49 |
| unixSnob | Dead_K_n810: that's not apples vision or strategy.. they want exclusive control over as many elements as possible | 16:50 |
| Dead_K_n810 | yes i know | 16:50 |
| Dead_K_n810 | it s a shame | 16:50 |
| johnx | so there's no way you'll get what you want from Apple | 16:50 |
| unixSnob | Apple only gives in to openness when there's really compelling business needs to | 16:50 |
| Dead_K_n810 | as their os, product and api is really good | 16:50 |
| johnx | Dead_K_n810, looked at gnustep? | 16:50 |
| Dead_K_n810 | i like obj-c | 16:50 |
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| johnx | gobjc is recently packaged for debian/armel | 16:51 |
| unixSnob | Dead_K_n810: The real shame is that gnu and open source land must now compete w/ M$ for 3rd world users and developers | 16:51 |
| unixSnob | Is there a linux/x86 emulator for the NIT? | 16:52 |
| Dead_K_n810 | unixSnob > i know gnustep ... but evolution of the framework is slow ... | 16:52 |
| inz | In soviet russia you compete with 3rd world users for M$ | 16:52 |
| inz | erm... | 16:52 |
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| johnx | :D | 16:52 |
| * unixSnob wonders if qemu runs on arm | 16:53 | |
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| Dead_K_n810 | http://www.geocities.com/david_charles_curran/how_to_prepare_kiwi.gif | 16:53 |
| Dead_K_n810 | lol | 16:53 |
| Dead_K_n810 | http://www.gnustep.org/images/GNUMail.jpg | 16:54 |
| * johnx installs gnumail on his zaurus | 16:54 | |
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| * qwerty12-N800 will take diablo's modest over that | 16:55 | |
| johnx | I would too, but I'm running into weird problems with sapwood on armv5te | 16:55 |
| * Dead_K_n810 can't launch PyneForMaemo ... | 16:55 | |
| unixSnob | I have other reasons to choose Ada.. it's not just a matter of proficiency. Ada is the best way to create a quality product. It has more protective features than any other language | 16:56 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | unixSnob > hum ... try obj-c :) | 16:56 |
| Dead_K_n810 | or prolog ... | 16:56 |
| Dead_K_n810 | ;) | 16:56 |
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| unixSnob | Dead_K_n810: that's the opposite extreme | 16:56 |
| unixSnob | I would try it for amusement only | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Ada is a language designed by a committee | 16:57 |
| unixSnob | that's a myth | 16:58 |
| RST38h | And designed in such a complex way that no compiler was available for it for quite some time | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | Not designed by committee | 16:58 |
| RST38h | ? | 16:58 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: correct, the compiler is an order of magnitude more complex than a C compiler - glad I'm not writing the compiler! | 16:58 |
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| unixSnob | I don't know how it was designed.. I just recall reading in a wiki that the "committee" claim was a myth | 16:59 |
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| dhd | hi - is thread local storage broken on maemo or is there some trick to making it work? | 17:00 |
| Dead_K_n810 | if i remember it was designed by the company CII Honeywell Bull | 17:00 |
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| unixSnob | I suppose it wouldn't matter to me if Ada were the work of a committee. I'm more concerned with the ends than the means | 17:00 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | and mainly by Jean David Ichbiah | 17:01 |
| Dead_K_n810 | it was designed by french ... now i understand why it s so .... hum .. .nothing :) | 17:01 |
| dhd | configure reports that __thread works, but I get an assembler error message when I actually try to use it | 17:02 |
| Dead_K_n810 | unixSnob > u should try goto++ :) | 17:02 |
| unixSnob | what's that? is that a language? | 17:03 |
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| * dhd upgrades his scratchbox, maybe this will help | 17:04 | |
| Dead_K_n810 | unixSnob > yes it is :) | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: any more N810 interestingness? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | s/N810/LinuxTag/ | 17:06 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: mgedmin810: any more LinuxTag interestingness? | 17:06 |
| unixSnob | Sounds about as amusingly reliable as C | 17:06 |
| keesj | only geeks here | 17:06 |
| freelikegnu | lol xfce compositing is painful hehe | 17:07 |
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| johnx | freelikegnu, heh...I haven't even tried it | 17:07 |
| freelikegnu | I was surprised it even worked | 17:07 |
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| dhd | oh, okay, __thread works, it just triggers obscure compiler bugs | 17:10 |
| dhd | blah | 17:10 |
| keesj | check the website. we only have 10 days left | 17:10 |
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| mgedmin810 | Jaffa: not really | 17:15 |
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| mgedmin810 | saw the wimax edition in real life | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | it has a hump on its back | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | kinda like the n800 | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | but smaller | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | and more rectangular | 17:16 |
| johnx | were they demoing that actual wimax inet service? | 17:16 |
| mgedmin810 | no | 17:16 |
| mgedmin810 | this was not a presentation | 17:17 |
| johnx | ah, just a nokia guy who had a tablet? | 17:17 |
| mgedmin810 | qgil | 17:17 |
| johnx | ah | 17:17 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin810/X-Fade_/lcuk/keesj: any explanation of D -> F jump? Breaks my 'ord(E) == 5 == maemo 5.x' theory | 17:20 |
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| mgedmin810 | qgil answered that, but I'm not sure I understood | 17:24 |
| mgedmin810 | seems like they just felt like it | 17:24 |
| mgedmin810 | and names don't really matter | 17:24 |
| * mgedmin810 shrugs | 17:24 | |
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| Dead_K_n810 | http://esolangs.org/wiki/GOTO_plus_plus | 17:28 |
| Dead_K_n810 | gotogoto() Label1 25 | 17:28 |
| Dead_K_n810 | will sometime jump to Label1 (25%chance to jump) | 17:28 |
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| * qwerty12-N800 thinks best langs are brain**** & lolcode | 17:31 | |
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| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: That release was skipped and Fremantle was put forward. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade_ | Keep in mind that codenames are just that. They don't have an actual meaning. | 17:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12-N800, malbolge sound better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge | 17:34 |
| johnx | *sounds | 17:34 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | http://esolangs.org/wiki/TwoDucks | 17:35 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | johnx, hehe it does but you cant beat the name of brain**** :p | 17:35 |
| johnx | true enough | 17:36 |
| Dead_K_n810 | DuckTwo is nice too :) | 17:36 |
| Dead_K_n810 | TwoDucks :) | 17:36 |
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| GAN800 | Late welcome, sjgadsby. Glad to see you made it. ;) | 17:36 |
| Dead_K_n810 | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Whitespace | 17:37 |
| Dead_K_n810 | like it too ! | 17:37 |
| Dead_K_n810 | whitespace language with syntax hilight : http://esolangs.org/w/images/3/3c/Whitespace_in_vim2.png | 17:37 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade_: so is fremantle maemo 5 or 6? and is the expected leap in functionality what's made the name jump, or really was it just "we don't like the name elephanta and there's no other e-wind to choose from"? | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Fremantle seems to follow Elephanta if you go by letter order | 17:39 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Fremantle has just other goals than the skipped Elephanta. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Wait, do you mean we are not getting Elephanta? | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade_: right, ok - that makes sense. So elephanta's been canned - but was a planned release with some planned deliverables - and fremantle has been brought forward - possibly with a reduction in scope. | 17:40 |
| X-Fade_ | Fremantle will have QT4 support by using the community based QT4. | 17:40 |
| johnx | woo! | 17:41 |
| X-Fade_ | the one from qt4.garage.maemo.org. | 17:41 |
| Dead_K_n810 | Etesien - Wind coming from nord east of grece ! | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Ah | 17:41 |
| johnx | and a coffee maker?! tell me the coffee maker didn't get cut... | 17:41 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Dead_K_n810, s/east/est ;p | 17:41 |
| ||cw | johnx: it did | 17:41 |
| * johnx kries | 17:42 | |
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| X-Fade_ | Harmattan will have full QT4 support by Nokia. | 17:42 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Will gtk be dropped? | 17:42 |
| ||cw | something about not enough room for the grinder | 17:42 |
| Dead_K_n810 | :) thx qwerty | 17:42 |
| Dead_K_n810 | Ouch ! I hope GTK will still be here | 17:42 |
| qwerty12-N800 | Heh, one of the little bits of french that i do know :) | 17:43 |
| Dead_K_n810 | and i hope that GTK and QT4 will not be too fat to enter in memory of the actual nit | 17:43 |
| X-Fade_ | GTK+ and QT4 will live side by side. | 17:43 |
| X-Fade_ | As far as I can see now. | 17:43 |
| Dead_K_n810 | yes but / size isn't infinite :) | 17:44 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah, but it isn't going to run FULL KDE ;) | 17:44 |
| Dead_K_n810 | X-Fade_ > I HOPE ! i ve choose the nit for gtk :) | 17:45 |
| Dead_K_n810 | and their ui | 17:45 |
| Dead_K_n810 | :) | 17:45 |
| johnx | gtk/hildon won't go away. | 17:45 |
| X-Fade_ | Dead_K_n810: You won't be disappointed with the upcoming releases. | 17:45 |
| johnx | It's backed by Ubuntu and *Intel* now, AFAICT | 17:45 |
| freelikegnu | debian wpa works on ttls-pap perfectly | 17:46 |
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| johnx | :D | 17:46 |
| Dead_K_n810 | X-Fade_ > hum ... don't know ... because their is more better developper than me ... and they ll make my apps look ... worse :) | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | Intel does not back iy | 17:47 |
| RST38h | it | 17:47 |
| freelikegnu | I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, but ran into errors | 17:47 |
| Dead_K_n810 | adding qt beside gtk will bring more and more people to use the nit :) | 17:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, moblin? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: in moblin intel makes use of hildon but does not actively support it | 17:48 |
| Dead_K_n810 | X-Fade_ > does their is a plan to support n810 until 2012 ? | 17:48 |
| Dead_K_n810 | :) | 17:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, but they have an *interest* in its continued existence is what I was trying to say | 17:48 |
| RST38h | kind of | 17:48 |
| X-Fade_ | Dead_K_n810: They haven't even released the Wimax tablet yet. And that hardware is basically the same so.. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | they can branch or replace it any moment | 17:48 |
| X-Fade_ | You get more product life for free. | 17:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | lol ... i was kidding ... but ... it s seems it s near | 17:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah...but on their own site they tell you to use hildon to port your apps to moblin... | 17:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | :) | 17:49 |
| Dead_K_n810 | pffff ... first day without my nit ... and i already count days... | 17:50 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | someone have try mCalendar ? | 17:51 |
| johnx | yup | 17:51 |
| johnx | it doesn't seem to find my subscribed ical calendars from google calendar | 17:51 |
| johnx | for example I'm subscribed to a list of public holidays in google cal and mcalendar doesn't pull those down | 17:52 |
| Dead_K_n810 | at this time it s sync only the default calendar .... | 17:52 |
| johnx | ah, fair enough | 17:52 |
| johnx | I'll definitely be watching it :) | 17:52 |
| Dead_K_n810 | it s mainly to be able to duplicate your default calendar to backup it :) | 17:53 |
| Dead_K_n810 | so if there is a problem you have a backup :) | 17:53 |
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| Dead_K_n810 | and what do you think about the gUi ? | 17:54 |
| Dead_K_n810 | using large button to be able to use it with finger only ? | 17:54 |
| freelikegnu | woot bt kb working | 17:54 |
| johnx | seems nice | 17:54 |
| johnx | I don't have anything actually scheduled in google calendar because up until now it was too slow to use on my mobile devices :P | 17:55 |
| freelikegnu | I had to pair via command line because gui is to big | 17:55 |
| Dead_K_n810 | johnx > the first sync can be slow ... | 17:56 |
| Dead_K_n810 | and timeout don't seems to be configurable in gdata | 17:57 |
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| johnx | ah, I didn't mean in mcalendar...I meant that before mcal, using gcal through a browser on my n8x0 took too much time | 17:57 |
| Dead_K_n810 | http://sam.zoy.org/monsterz/ | 17:58 |
| Dead_K_n810 | Johnx > for me too ... mainly because i'm often offline ... :) | 17:58 |
| Dead_K_n810 | http://sam.zoy.org/monsterz/ -> in python so it ll be easilly portable ... | 17:59 |
| Dead_K_n810 | once my n810 come back ... i ll do that :) | 17:59 |
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| GAN8002 | OK, Fremantle == OS2009 or OS2008.x? | 18:01 |
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| X-Fade_ | GAN8002: That is not know at the moment. I guess that also depends on when we see Diablo released. | 18:03 |
| X-Fade_ | And they won't tell me that ;) | 18:03 |
| GAN8002 | Ha | 18:03 |
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| inz | X-Fade, ask harder | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Hold a gun | 18:04 |
| GAN8002 | Ha | 18:04 |
| GAN8002 | Hit them with a large stick and ask again. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade_ | But there are for sure coming some really kick ass things in the future. | 18:04 |
| johnx | s/stick/frozen trout/g | 18:04 |
| * GAN8002 needs specifics so he can update the gossip on the wikipedia article. | 18:05 | |
| johnx | GAN8002, I have it confirmed: no coffee maker included :/ | 18:05 |
| GAN8002 | DAMN! | 18:05 |
| mgedmin810 | or so we were assured | 18:05 |
| * GAN8002 drinks tea, anyway. | 18:05 | |
| X-Fade_ | That is why it is called gossip right? Just guess and see if you are right :) | 18:05 |
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| GAN8002 | X-Fade_, I need some ITOS versions to hang my web of lies around. :D | 18:06 |
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| johnx | ahaha | 18:06 |
| timeless | johnx: so i hear you're in .jp? | 18:06 |
| johnx | timeless, it appears so :) | 18:06 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8002: Well, it looks like Diablo will be out this year. And I don't know anything about planning in the future, but you can see historical release schedules. | 18:07 |
| timeless | i'm considering visiting .jp and points around in july | 18:07 |
| timeless | although i'm running out of time and may abandon my efforts | 18:07 |
| GAN8002 | I'm certainly HOPING Diablo will be out this year. :P | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | If not, beta works for me :p | 18:08 |
| johnx | timeless, it's definitely worth it if you haven't been before | 18:08 |
| johnx | though I hope you like heat and humidity O_o | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | I plan on going, my cousin moved over there :) | 18:08 |
| johnx | great. come at the same time as timeless and we can have a meetup at akihabara :D | 18:09 |
| * qwerty12 googles akihabara :) | 18:09 | |
| qwerty12 | ooh nice, but alas., it will be years before I go :D | 18:10 |
| johnx | ah, sad :/ | 18:10 |
| GAN8002 | X-Fade_, can I at least conclude that Elephanta has been dropped from the immediate timeline? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8002: It seems so. You could have know about fremantle already btw. You were slow ;) | 18:11 |
| * GAN8002 starts poking X-Fade_ with a sharpened stick. | 18:11 | |
| GAN8002 | Take it back. :P | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade_ isn't evidently in pain. | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 18:12 |
| X-Fade_ | Nah, the stick wasn't long enough. | 18:12 |
| GAN8002 | Judging by the Qt plans, I'd be inclined to call Fremantle OS2008 and Harmattan OS2009 | 18:12 |
| GAN8002 | but then you toss hardware releases and the dates for Qt mentioned in announcements in there and I dunno. | 18:13 |
| johnx | GAN8002, ever the optimist... | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | But will the entire interface in Harmattan get replaced with QT? | 18:13 |
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| GAN8002 | No, qwerty12. | 18:13 |
| GAN8002 | Read the slides. :P | 18:13 |
| GAN8002 | http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-linuxtag-update | 18:13 |
| johnx | ah...slides | 18:13 |
| * johnx reads | 18:13 | |
| qwerty12 | Can't be bothered but seeing as you posted, thanks | 18:13 |
| johnx | no coffee maker...but roller coaster instead! I'm in! | 18:14 |
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| GAN8002 | OK, updated the CodeNames page on the wiki. | 18:14 |
| GAN8002 | Ha | 18:14 |
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| GAN8002 | You heard it here first, folks! | 18:14 |
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| GAN8002 | If Quim doesn't give us all rollercoasters, I'm buying an iPhone! | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, I heard it from X-Fade_ in the mornign :p | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | an iPhone!?!?! :O | 18:15 |
| GAN8002 | Yes, and I'm not jailbreaking it, either. :D | 18:15 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:16 |
| Saviq | yeah, right ;) | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I thought the Harmattan pic in the slide reminded me of a Mosque. | 18:16 |
| GAN8002 | <_< | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, well I'm not religious :P | 18:17 |
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| GAN8002 | Neither am I, that's no excuse. :P | 18:17 |
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| n800m | is pupnik around? | 18:19 |
| GAN8002 | pupnik810 <- apparently | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | well, he just connected as pupnik810 :p | 18:20 |
| X-Fade_ | He is sitting 4 seats away from me. | 18:20 |
| n800m | oh | 18:20 |
| GAN8002 | Throw things at him, X-Fade_! | 18:20 |
| n800m | are you at some conventions? | 18:20 |
| n800m | -s | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | LinuxTag where they spray paint walls with Linux and dere tags | 18:21 |
| n800m | oh | 18:21 |
| n800m | well he probably doesn't feel like doing any support then | 18:21 |
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| n800m | i thought linux tag was over | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | OVER!?! :O | 18:21 |
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| n800m | i mean it's tag | 18:22 |
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| n800m | day | 18:22 |
| GAN8002 | It's not over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! | 18:22 |
| X-Fade_ | No lardman is talking now.. | 18:22 |
| n800m | thought it was one day | 18:22 |
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| GAN8002 | Hi, guenther. | 18:22 |
| guenther | Hi General. :) | 18:23 |
| n800m | anyone got amiga - uae to work on n800? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Omg, "projects/haf/trunk/hildon-input-method/ChangeLog: use "en_US" as default language. (part fixes for NB#85987)" | 18:24 |
| * GAN8002 kills a clone. | 18:24 | |
| * qwerty12 goes and cries | 18:24 | |
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| _berto_ | dunno but zx spectrum emulator is slow, so imagine ... | 18:24 |
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| n800m | desmume is slow too, correct? | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | 1000% yes | 18:28 |
| n800m | :/ | 18:28 |
| johnx | isn't it pretty slow on a fast desktop machine? | 18:28 |
| * qwerty12 ubuntu is saying that new firefox-3.0 update is available. it better be more stable. it's a POS atm | 18:29 | |
| n800m | Amiga Amstrad CPC Atari 2600 Atari 800 Atari Lynx Atari ST Colecovision Commodore 64 Game Boy MSX NDS NES/Famicom PC PSP Sega SC-3000 SNES Vic-20 ZX Spectrum | 18:29 |
| n800m | any of those work ok on maemo? | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | MSX of the top of my head does thanks to RST38h | 18:29 |
| n800m | with sound? | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | no idea | 18:30 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't like the sound in old games anyway, i think it sucks. I just put on some of my RnB in canola meanwhile | 18:31 | |
| * johnx shakes his head | 18:31 | |
| n800m | i don't really want it for games | 18:32 |
| n800m | for sound apps | 18:32 |
| n800m | even tho zelda did eat up most of my day yesterday / | 18:32 |
| n800m | :/ | 18:32 |
| forge_ | :) | 18:32 |
| forge_ | Imo old game sounds are Freaking Awesome! | 18:33 |
| n800m | my dog likes them | 18:33 |
| n800m | he was sniffing the tablet yesterday | 18:33 |
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| pupnik810 | i have 000s of old game tunes on nokia | 18:34 |
| johnx | pupnik810, buffer overflow? | 18:34 |
| Proteous | I ordered a n810 a couple of days ago | 18:34 |
| Proteous | it shipped today | 18:34 |
| n800m | .mod? | 18:34 |
| n800m | is there a mod player? | 18:35 |
| pupnik810 | mod, sid | 18:35 |
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| pupnik810 | yes | 18:35 |
| Proteous | used, but in good condition from amazon for $339 with a 30 day no question return policy | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Proteous, hope it works out well for you. a worthy upgrade from a 770 :/ | 18:35 |
| Proteous | yeah | 18:35 |
| Proteous | we'll see | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | dneary, how'd the wiki sprints go? | 18:36 |
| dneary | GAN800: We didn't do it (yet?) | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Taking minutes? | 18:36 |
| dneary | I'm hoping to get a few people together tomorrow morning, maybe | 18:36 |
| dneary | Maybe later | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | (if you do) | 18:36 |
| dneary | We've been in pretty cool presentations all day | 18:36 |
| dneary | Yeah, I've been the recorder :) | 18:37 |
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| dneary | Do you have any suggestions for things that Nokia should be doing which I can ask for you? | 18:38 |
| dneary | Anyone from the maemo track here? ;) | 18:38 |
| _berto_ | i'm in berlin till sunday morning | 18:38 |
| n800m | qt | 18:38 |
| Proteous | put in better video hardware and some buttons, I want to game on my tablet | 18:38 |
| n800m | i want music apps, need qt | 18:39 |
| dneary | n800m: The QT question's been asked 3 or 4 times today | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ask them to get A2DP support in Diablo. I think A2DP's one of the most voted bugs on bugzilla. | 18:39 |
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| dneary | QT is already available for the table as a community-provided package | 18:39 |
| dneary | It will be integrated fully into the platform in the release after Fremantle (starts with H, I don't know what it's called exactly) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Harmattan | 18:40 |
| n800m | sweet | 18:40 |
| dneary | that's it | 18:40 |
| dneary | forgot the name | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I just scrolled up in X-Chat | 18:40 |
| dneary | n800m: Of course, GTK+ will also be on Harmattan | 18:40 |
| n800m | that's kind of a long way off isn't it | 18:41 |
| Proteous | heh | 18:41 |
| Proteous | not if you consider the age of the earth | 18:41 |
| dneary | n800m: Yes, I'm happy about that myself ;) | 18:41 |
| n800m | i guess it's good they have long term plans | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | dneary, I'd like some clarification as to whether Fremantle corresponds to OS2008.x or OS2009. | 18:41 |
| dneary | GAN800: I'll ask. | 18:41 |
| Proteous | OS2030 more like it | 18:42 |
| dneary | GAN800: Although it's not related to the current discussion that's on right now | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | Just for Proteous. :P Everybody else gets it tomorrow. :D | 18:42 |
| Proteous | lol | 18:42 |
| * Proteous cries | 18:42 | |
| dneary | Current discussion is "what isn't open that we need, and why?" | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | tablet-browser! | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | Why isn't browser-ui open. | 18:43 |
| Proteous | we want webkit | 18:43 |
| dneary | Power management, GL, wifi binary blob, various applications, ... | 18:43 |
| n800m | what about EP-TTLS | 18:43 |
| dneary | GAN800: Isn't microb open? | 18:43 |
| Proteous | and NTP-LLESTD | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Will the BB5 platform be used in the next tablet after WiMax? | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | MicroB yes, tablet-browser-ui no | 18:43 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: most folks think flash is a critical must-have closed source app | 18:43 |
| * gnuSnob would like to see flash replaced with gnash | 18:44 | |
| * qwerty12 wouldn't | 18:44 | |
| n800m | dneary opened the floodgates | 18:44 |
| GAN800 | Proteous, WebKit is in Extras. | 18:44 |
| * Proteous wants silverlight support | 18:44 | |
| dneary | gnuSnob: We gave Rob an N800 to get gnash available on OS2008 | 18:44 |
| * Proteous is just kidding | 18:44 | |
| GAN800 | You just need to find a non-shitty gui. | 18:44 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: nice | 18:44 |
| Proteous | that's the fun part | 18:44 |
| n800m | EAP-TTLS is sort of widely used in institutions | 18:44 |
| gnuSnob | flash is so lousy | 18:44 |
| dneary | gnuSnob: But Nokia have to ship Adobe Flash by default. | 18:44 |
| dneary | Flash sites Must Work | 18:44 |
| dneary | I'm not particularly happy about it either | 18:45 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: flash sites don't work though, because of all the version issues | 18:45 |
| dneary | OK, hold on a second | 18:45 |
| dneary | I'll ask a couple of questions | 18:45 |
| gnuSnob | Eg. go to bbc news. Most of the flash content is incompatible | 18:45 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 18:45 |
| lopz | morning | 18:46 |
| gnuSnob | the flash viewer is not compatible with old content, and new content is not compatible with old viewers.. it's amazing that flash survives | 18:46 |
| GAN800 | gnuSnob, Flash is updated in Diablo. | 18:46 |
| johnx | GAN800, good catch there. I wasn't watching xchat... | 18:46 |
| dneary | What's BB5? | 18:46 |
| dneary | I'm trying to figure out the good question to ask live | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | You don't want to ask my question then :/ | 18:46 |
| dneary | Most of the questiopns should be asked on a mailing list, or in the brainstorm | 18:46 |
| dneary | Or in the Questions for Nokia page | 18:46 |
| dneary | Requests to open things need to be accompanied by justifications - "I need X to be open because I want to do Y" | 18:47 |
| gnuSnob | GAN800 - my version of maemo is just a couple months old at most. why am I out of date w/ flash already? Can I update just flash alone? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | You can do, if you know diablo password | 18:47 |
| dneary | qwerty12: What question would you ask, if you were here right now? | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | WHY NO FREE CANDY?! | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | dneary, No idea | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 18:48 |
| dneary | see, I was trying to work out what to ask on your behalf here :) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | My question would be along the lines of dsme, bme... | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | tablet-browser! :D | 18:48 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: are you working for nokia? | 18:48 |
| dneary | gnuSnob: No | 18:48 |
| dneary | Well, kind of | 18:49 |
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| dneary | I'm contracting for them, but my role is to serve the community & make sure that the community has what it needs in terms of infrastructure & organisation for documentation | 18:49 |
| johnx | Alright, "Why isn't the whole tablet-browser stack open, when it seems that more eyes on the code would really help?" | 18:49 |
| GAN8001 | Most of the platform stuff is being hit on, I'm sure. | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Also will browserd be open? | 18:50 |
| johnx | my secondary interest in tablet-browser is using it on other platforms that are hildon-based | 18:50 |
| dneary | right now, it's "what does the community expect from Nokia, what should the community be doing that they're not?" | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | infrastructure? | 18:50 |
| n800m | sound apps | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | From a feature point of view, OpenGL, PowerVR support and A2DP | 18:50 |
| GAN8001 | Community expects strong infrastructure | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | repos that are always up | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | ALWAYS | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | no really | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | We can't port/compile OpenGL apps if we don't have any OpenGL support | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | ALWAYS | 18:50 |
| dneary | penguinbait: Or just one extras repos | 18:51 |
| dneary | That's been asked | 18:51 |
| n800m | yeah what's with the duplicates | 18:51 |
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| dneary | qwerty12: I mean the VR documentation | 18:51 |
| GAN8001 | An Extras repo that's always up. | 18:51 |
| johnx | ++ | 18:51 |
| GAN8001 | and a tablets-dev that doesn't go down whenever you actually need it. | 18:51 |
| dneary | It's been asked (by Simon Pickering) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks | 18:51 |
| penguinbait | its for emphasis | 18:51 |
| dneary | GAN8001: So much work has been put into the mind-reading functionality to take down the server just at the moment you want it most... | 18:52 |
| GAN8001 | maemo.org with upgrades | 18:52 |
| GAN8001 | It's too slow right now. | 18:52 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: infrastructure-wise, an Ada compiler would be nice. Personally I would be more motivated to develop maemo apps if I had a compiler | 18:52 |
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| GAN8001 | dneary, I wondered what this giant bulge at the base of my skull was. . . . | 18:52 |
| dneary | gnuSnob: Have you tried porting one? | 18:52 |
| GAN8001 | gnuSnob, Ada isn't "infrastructure" | 18:52 |
| johnx | gnuSnob, I think Ada is outside the maemo scope... | 18:53 |
| GAN8001 | That's something you can take onto "community projects" | 18:53 |
| GAN8001 | s/take/tack/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | GAN8001 meant: That's something you can tack onto "community projects" | 18:53 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: no, it's a large effort to port that ada runtime | 18:53 |
| gnuSnob | GAN8001: "infrastructure" can imply compilers - depends on your viewpoint | 18:54 |
| GAN8001 | and something that exactly ONE person that I know of would benefit from. ;) | 18:54 |
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| GAN8001 | Not something I want Nokia investing valuable time on. | 18:54 |
| dneary | gnuSnob: I don't mean to be rude, but so far this is the first time anyone has ever asked me for an Ada compiler | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Better to go on at the Ada guys to produce ARM compiler. | 18:55 |
| GAN8001 | Putting together the servers and bandwidth to back up *.maemo.org and tablets-dev is top on my list for "infrastructure" stuff | 18:56 |
| GAN8001 | the rest is just filler. | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | NOOO | 18:56 |
| penguinbait | YES!! | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ezi now :P | 18:56 |
| dneary | Running out of battery... | 18:57 |
| n800m | sound apps! | 18:57 |
| dneary | I will ask Niels about the infrastructure | 18:57 |
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| dneary | n800m: Like Vagalume? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | sound apps are more of a community thing | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | n800m, that's squarely in the community court. ;) | 18:57 |
| n800m | music making | 18:57 |
| dneary | n800m: There are lots of community-packaged sound apps | 18:57 |
| n800m | no there aren't | 18:58 |
| dneary | Ah! You want Jack, Rosegarden, things like that? | 18:58 |
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| n800m | i've been looking for awhile | 18:58 |
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| n800m | jack'd be great | 18:58 |
| n800m | i doubt that would happen tho | 18:58 |
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| GAN8001 | n800m, community job. | 18:58 |
| GAN8001 | That's not a Nokia job | 18:58 |
| dneary | n800m: That's a classic niche application that isn't worth the time of Nokia (no business case), but that a community developer could do | 18:59 |
| n800m | :x | 18:59 |
| GAN8001 | and doesn't relate to infrastructure. | 18:59 |
| dneary | You could port the music-making app from Sugar, maybe | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't even relate to the application side of what Nokia should do. | 18:59 |
| dneary | I have to go! | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Bye | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 18:59 |
| johnx | dneary, thanks | 18:59 |
| n800m | :/ thanks | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Steal a charger :p | 18:59 |
| n800m | good luck | 18:59 |
| dneary | Bye guys - please throw your ideas in the brainstorming pages linked to here: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html | 19:00 |
| gnuSnob | johnx: why would a compiler be outside maemo's scope? | 19:00 |
| gnuSnob | dneary: you're not being rude at all.. I'm glad it's been brought to your attention | 19:00 |
| gnuSnob | (finally) | 19:00 |
| gnuSnob | qwerty12: well there is an arm compiler, it's just incomplete on maemo. A commercial one has been completed for a different ARM platform | 19:00 |
| n800m | finland had a great demo scene | 19:00 |
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| gnuSnob | GAN8001: hang out in #ada.. every few days someone comes in there asking for gnat on arm, only to be told they're SOL | 19:00 |
| GAN8001 | That's not Nokia's problem. | 19:00 |
| GAN8001 | Ada is very clearly a niche product. | 19:00 |
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| GAN8001 | and supporting it has zero appeal from a business standpoint from Nokia. | 19:01 |
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| GAN8001 | s/from/for/2 | 19:01 |
| n800m | hey you never know what des there are interested in | 19:01 |
| n800m | devs | 19:01 |
| n800m | most have a personal preference | 19:01 |
| GAN8001 | n800m, I can tell you it's not an Ada compiler. ;) | 19:02 |
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| n800m | i'm still on the sound app page | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | Again, that's a community thing. | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | and there are already community applications out there. | 19:02 |
| n800m | no there aren't | 19:02 |
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| n800m | i mean i don't wanna be a jerk, i get it | 19:03 |
| n800m | but still, there aren't | 19:03 |
| johnx | heh...also, you really don't want Nokia writing a sound app for you... | 19:03 |
| n800m | not that it's anyone;s problem | 19:03 |
| n800m | heh true | 19:03 |
| GAN8001 | n800m, if you really want a sound app, then get to work! :D | 19:03 |
| GAN8001 | That's the beauty of open source. | 19:03 |
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| n800m | i was waiting for that :) | 19:04 |
| gnuSnob | GAN8001: both #ada and comp.lang.ada have proven otherwise | 19:04 |
| GAN8001 | If you _really_ think Nokia should bundle one, put up an enhancement request on bugzilla and see how many votes it gets. ;) | 19:04 |
| gnuSnob | good idea | 19:04 |
| GAN8001 | gnuSnob, from a consumer standpoint, having Ada support MAY sell about 6 tablets | 19:05 |
| GAN8001 | 99.9999% of Nokia's consumer market could give two shits about an Ada compiler. | 19:05 |
| johnx | errr...maybe. popcon on debian says 300 | 19:05 |
| johnx | for gnat | 19:05 |
| GAN8001 | The return on investment for something like that is stupidly low. | 19:05 |
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| gnuSnob | GAN8001: you're thinking only in terms of independant users.. not soldiers | 19:06 |
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| glass | the contractors could just as well learn something that works on arm already | 19:06 |
| gnuSnob | Soldiers are using crappy handhelds running WM5/6 | 19:06 |
| johnx | gnuSnob, the US military would have to be waaaay dumber than I give them credit for to put n8x0s out in the field | 19:06 |
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| GAN8001 | ^ | 19:06 |
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| glass | johnx: you'd be surprised what armies use "in field" | 19:06 |
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| GAN8001 | An N-series device is the LAST thing you ever want in combat. :\ | 19:06 |
| gnuSnob | johnx: compared to what? what they're using now? | 19:06 |
| n800m | http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6555/1210300064121rv8.jpg | 19:07 |
| johnx | this is a fragile consumer device in both software and hardware | 19:07 |
| glass | but ada isn't really whats holding them .. | 19:07 |
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| gnuSnob | johnx: sure, they would need a ruggedized version.. that's not a big deal | 19:07 |
| glass | but anyways, thats not nokias biz | 19:07 |
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| glass | nokias biz is selling the soldiers the n810 or whatever for personal use | 19:08 |
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| johnx | gnuSnob, anyways, file an enhancement request. maybe you're right. only nokia knows for sure if it's a business they want to be in | 19:08 |
| penguinbait | just because it can be used to hack into chinese government, is only an added bonus | 19:08 |
| n800m | are you really interested in the business aspect of nokia tho? | 19:08 |
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| gnuSnob | johnx: right.. nokia needs to have it on the table for consideration. From there economics will prevail | 19:09 |
| johnx | exactly | 19:09 |
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| glass | anyways, they'd probably say that some contractor could port a compiler/ or make it | 19:10 |
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| gnuSnob | glass: right.. they could simply outsource the effort to adacore | 19:10 |
| glass | which would make sense only if they'd have a shitload of ada code they would think would be useful on the maemo | 19:10 |
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| glass | (they= whoever would use it) | 19:10 |
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| qwerty12 | If the army did use something nokia, it would be this: http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1085659718_sanlaM90.jpg. Shit weighs 3kg and the Finnish Army did use one of these. talk rude to a finnish soldier and they'll smack you in the face with one of those | 19:11 |
| glass | qwerty12: yeah the messaging things sucked bigtime in the army.. at least those that regular soldiers were trained with | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | I think it's a good defence mechanism, if I saw a Finnish soldier with one of those in his hands and running towards me, I'd run off :D | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | and it would work as shield :p | 19:13 |
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| glass | hehe | 19:13 |
| glass | the radios themselfs were big mofos too | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | I'm surprised the soldiers actually managed to move :/ | 19:13 |
| johnx | I'd reach for an ibm model m and hope it holds up O_o | 19:13 |
| freelikegnu | itronix has a sweet little rugged: http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:MR-1 | 19:14 |
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| glass | qwerty12: add some tank mines (a 10kg) to carry and.. | 19:16 |
| glass | qwerty12: i played myself into it-support | 19:16 |
| glass | whilst there | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Oh yeah, I just remembered going into army is compulsory in Finland for a while | 19:18 |
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| summatusmentis | penguinbait: are you around? | 19:53 |
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| summatusmentis | so... how do people clone their flash to SD? | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | Doh. Arnhem remembrance is 19th Sept and I need to be there for Mrs Jaffa | 20:04 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, with rsync or tar | 20:04 |
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| Navi | :o | 20:07 |
| penguinbait | :o? | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | :O | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | :0 | 20:08 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: I see, is there a wiki page on it? | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | ( )o( ) | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | ( )OO( ) | 20:08 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, I'm sure...but I don't remember right now | 20:08 |
| summatusmentis | alright | 20:09 |
| summatusmentis | thanks | 20:09 |
| johnx | google clone root sd n800 | 20:09 |
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| penguinbait | just use the deb or tarball, its nice and fast | 20:09 |
| summatusmentis | will do | 20:09 |
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| summatusmentis | penguinbait: the deb does't work | 20:10 |
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| penguinbait | yes | 20:10 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186776#post186776 | 20:10 |
| penguinbait | tarball I put out yesterday, if you want to have ext3 or multiple boot from SD on the same card | 20:10 |
| penguinbait | only two per card right now | 20:11 |
| summatusmentis | I download the 4.8MB of it, and application installer tells me it's corrupted | 20:11 |
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| summatusmentis | I'll look at the tarball | 20:11 |
| summatusmentis | I really just want to try KDE :) | 20:11 |
| penguinbait | try again? | 20:11 |
| summatusmentis | I've tried downloading the .deb like 4 times | 20:11 |
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| penguinbait | I have been having problems with my comcast account, its been down all morning, its back up now | 20:12 |
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| penguinbait | which deb? I will verify its good? install-tools.deb or install-tools-N810e.deb?? | 20:13 |
| timeless | did you check application log? | 20:14 |
| penguinbait | its says not installable, then the application log wont tell you anything | 20:14 |
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| summatusmentis | install-tools.deb | 20:15 |
| KwisatzHaderach | hi, how do I install ssh on a n810? my /etc/apt/sources.list file is empty | 20:16 |
| penguinbait | I am downloading it right now, just a sec | 20:16 |
| johnx | KwisatzHaderach, repository info is kept under: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 20:16 |
| Navi | It doesn't use sources.list | 20:17 |
| johnx | KwisatzHaderach, but click here for openssh: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh/ | 20:17 |
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| penguinbait | Both are working fine summatusmentis | 20:18 |
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| Navi | lol | 20:18 |
| Navi | APT is too slow for autoremove | 20:18 |
| Navi | s/slow/old/ | 20:18 |
| infobot | Navi meant: APT is too old for autoremove | 20:18 |
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| summatusmentis | penguinbait: that's really weird, I tried installing with the applcation manager, and with apt on the command line | 20:24 |
| summatusmentis | or rather, dpkg on the command line | 20:24 |
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| johnx | I can run the sapwood "gradient" demo on debian/armel armv5 and armv6, with different results | 20:28 |
| GAN8001 | Woo | 20:28 |
| johnx | yeah...It's awesome | 20:28 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody needs to put up a wiki article for sapwood. | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | Someone who understands it ;-) | 20:29 |
| johnx | heh...it's not that interesting except when it doesn't work | 20:29 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, penguinbait, dpkg is telling me it's not a debian format archive | 20:29 |
| johnx | summatusmentis / penguinbait, sounds like a job for md5sum! | 20:30 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, that someone definitely isn't me. :D | 20:30 |
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| * GAN8001 still needs to figure out what's going on with the Linux WikiProject so I can get a taskgroup going. | 20:30 | |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: it would, if I could find md5 for the n810 :) | 20:31 |
| johnx | that would help :P | 20:31 |
| SAGE-- | just copy it over from sdk | 20:31 |
| summatusmentis | SAGE--: that assumes I have the sdk :) | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | summatusmentis: what OS version? Could be you're using an older version of dpkg | 20:32 |
| * summatusmentis == newb | 20:32 | |
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| summatusmentis | Jaffa: my n810 doesn't know... I upgraded according to GAN8001 | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | 51-3 | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | Old NOLO | 20:33 |
| summatusmentis | lol, yeah, that :) | 20:33 |
| GAN8001 | Speaking of which, you should probably go ahead and flash NOLO and initfs | 20:33 |
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| GAN8001 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | will that screw things up? | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | like, will it return to factory defautls? | 20:34 |
| summatusmentis | defaults* | 20:34 |
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| penguinb8 | factory defaults = screwed up ?? | 20:35 |
| penguinb8 | hehe | 20:35 |
| summatusmentis | not screwed up, just removing everything I've gt | 20:35 |
| summatusmentis | got* | 20:35 |
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| nikosapi | Anybody know how to get an Ekiga.net account working with the OS 2008 sip client? | 20:36 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: what benefit does flashing NOLO and initfs do? | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | Sorry, screwing around with NickServ | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | No, summatusmentis. | 20:37 |
| summatusmentis | get me* | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | You've got an old version of NOLO | 20:37 |
| summatusmentis | right | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | and the initfs you have is for N800 | 20:37 |
| summatusmentis | right... | 20:37 |
| GAN8001 | The only settings are on initfs and that's only if you've flashed fanoush's initfs | 20:38 |
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| GAN8001 | I'd still recommend flashing the N810 initfs and reflashing fanoush's if you've done that. | 20:38 |
| summatusmentis | havn't done fousnh's | 20:38 |
| GAN8001 | All of the user stuff otherwise is on rootfs | 20:38 |
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| GAN8001 | So, grab the N810 firmware and do ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO> --flash-only=initfs | 20:39 |
| GAN8001 | and then: | 20:39 |
| GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO> --flash-only=nolo -R | 20:39 |
| summatusmentis | oh, god, I forgot it was so big, it'll be a while :) | 20:39 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 20:40 |
| penguinb8 | summ http://penguinbait.com/md5sum.gz | 20:40 |
| nikosapi | Maybe this is a better question: Does anyone know of a free sip provider that works well with OS 2008? :) | 20:43 |
| GAN8001 | sipphone.com! | 20:44 |
| GAN8001 | Free as in speech. ;) | 20:44 |
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| nikosapi | perfect, thanks! | 20:45 |
| GAN8001 | nikosapi, I've been using it with rtcomm and GrandCentral for about 6 months now. | 20:45 |
| GAN8001 | With 3 tablets | 20:45 |
| GAN8001 | Works great. | 20:45 |
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| gnuSnob | i've been using sipphone/gizmoproject.. rtcomm won't install for me | 20:46 |
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| GAN8001 | rtcomm is bundled. | 20:46 |
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| summatusmentis | penguinb8: ./md5sum: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected | 20:47 |
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| gnuSnob | must be a recent change.. my version of chinook doesn't have rtcomm | 20:47 |
| qwerty12-N800 | it has it ;) | 20:48 |
| qwerty12-N800 | just not beta | 20:48 |
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| gnuSnob | qwerty12-N800: what do you mean? | 20:48 |
| GAN8001 | It ships with rtcomm | 20:48 |
| gnuSnob | rtcomm isn't in the menu, and it's not available on the CLI | 20:48 |
| GAN8001 | The whole chat/sip/im framework is rtcomm | 20:48 |
| GAN8001 | Neither is MicroB | 20:49 |
| qwerty12-N800 | rtcomm comes with itos by default, the beta adds more services | 20:49 |
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| GAN8001 | But it ships with microb, too. :\ | 20:49 |
| gnuSnob | I've got several links to launch microb.. none for rtcomm | 20:49 |
| GAN8001 | No you don't | 20:49 |
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| GAN8001 | You have several "links" to launch tablet-browser | 20:49 |
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| GAN8001 | If you claim those "links" are launching MicroB, then Contacts, Internet Call, and Chat all launch rtcomm, too. | 20:50 |
| gnuSnob | the default browser uses microb | 20:50 |
| AStorm | uses, not is | 20:50 |
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| johnx | gnuSnob, rtcomm is the name of the included sip client aka "internet call" or somesuch | 20:51 |
| gnuSnob | i have "Internet call" | 20:51 |
| qwerty12-N800 | it's the im framework in general | 20:51 |
| GAN8001 | john, communications framework, more accurately. :P | 20:51 |
| * gnuSnob wishes these apps would have real names | 20:51 | |
| johnx | they do | 20:51 |
| gnuSnob | (that is, pronouns) | 20:51 |
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| johnx | there's a project name (rtcomm) that encompasses several discreet apps (internet call, contacts, IM) | 20:52 |
| gnuSnob | "internet call" is not a real name -- not unique enough to be useful. Try googling for it.. all kinds of crap comes up (and rightly so) | 20:53 |
| AStorm | try Nokia internet call ;> | 20:53 |
| GAN8001 | gnuSnob, it's a mobile platform | 20:54 |
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| GAN8001 | What's your address book called on your S60 phone? | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | Or your Palm? | 20:54 |
| t_s_o | hmm, does the agps only work with the internal gps of the N810, or will it work with a external gps on a N800? | 20:54 |
| qwerty12-N800 | nice analogy | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | Internal of N810, t_s_o. | 20:54 |
| t_s_o | figures... | 20:55 |
| GAN8001 | t_s_o, good external Bluetooth GPSes wouldn't really benefit from it. | 20:55 |
| gnuSnob | nah, it's the 10 million smokers can't be wrong argument | 20:55 |
| kulve | t_s_o: I don't know if there's any means to provide the assistant data to the external GPSes.. | 20:55 |
| AStorm | gnuSnob: well, they can't | 20:55 |
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| gnuSnob | just because they screwed it up on other platforms doesn't mean it's smart to do it on the nit | 20:55 |
| GAN8001 | The "A" is for shitty cellular GPS's that don't have decent antennas or chipsets. ;) | 20:55 |
| AStorm | they just aren't qualified to say if smoking is healthy | 20:55 |
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| johnx | so, gnuSnob what would you name it so that newbs would know what it was before clicking on it? | 20:56 |
| GAN8001 | gnuSnob, or people without a clue should sit down and be quiet. ;) | 20:56 |
| AStorm | and statistics say that they're less healthy than non-smokers | 20:56 |
| AStorm | (as a whole) | 20:56 |
| |penguinbait| | Sorry summ, I put up the wrong one | 20:56 |
| AStorm | ;) | 20:56 |
| |penguinbait| | try again | 20:56 |
| |penguinbait| | its working now | 20:56 |
| AStorm | heh | 20:56 |
| kulve | GAN8001: nope, even the good ones benefits from the A. Of course the difference is much bigger with the lousy ones | 20:56 |
| gnuSnob | GAN8001: w/out a clue? you just used propaganda to support a meritless idea | 20:57 |
| AStorm | well, it's not enough to be useful for good GPS recvs. | 20:57 |
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| AStorm | and not available in Europe anyway ;P | 20:57 |
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| qwerty12-N800 | ;) - reminds me of a pirate with a eyepatch and going arrrr | 20:58 |
| AStorm | yarrr mateys! | 20:59 |
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| * johnx sleeps, will deal with sapwood tomorrow | 21:05 | |
| GAN8001 | 'night, johnx. | 21:06 |
| johnx | g'night | 21:06 |
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| GAN8002 | Somebody with a handy 770 want to dump the version numbers from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php for me? | 21:18 |
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| GAN8002 | Mine are elsewhere and I don't have a WLAN MAC handy. | 21:18 |
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| GAN8002 | Anyone? ;_; | 21:22 |
| n800m | n800 here | 21:22 |
| nikosapi | n10 here :( | 21:22 |
| nikosapi | n810* | 21:22 |
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| GAN8002 | Well, you N810 owners can make yourselves useful by dumping the version list from the agreement page here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php :P | 21:23 |
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| disq | agps-ui rocks! | 21:23 |
| * GAN8002 is putting together a release history chart for wikipedia | 21:24 | |
| GAN8002 | disq, stick a comment to that effect in the GPS bug? | 21:24 |
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| n800m | what's this for anyway | 21:26 |
| n800m | sdk? | 21:27 |
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| GAN8002 | Which, agps? | 21:27 |
| n800m | no the software athetification page | 21:27 |
| GAN8002 | Oh | 21:27 |
| n800m | +u | 21:27 |
| GAN8002 | Firmware | 21:27 |
| GAN8002 | If you're updating on Linux or OS X | 21:27 |
| n800m | ohk | 21:27 |
| disq | GAN8002: in the gps bug? in bugzilla? | 21:28 |
| disq | well since they're working on the problem and it clearly works, why state it again | 21:28 |
| AStorm | GAN800: what does the version list contain? | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true | 21:28 |
| AStorm | list of all packages? | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ disq | 21:28 |
| GAN8002 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 | 21:29 |
| disq | :) | 21:29 |
| GAN8002 | List of ITOS releases and their versions. | 21:29 |
| AStorm | does it check osso-software-version? | 21:30 |
| GAN8002 | disq, no real reason, I just figure it might hearten those 70 odd voters that things are looking to improve. ;) | 21:30 |
| GAN8002 | AStorm, does what check? | 21:30 |
| AStorm | the version list or something | 21:30 |
| GAN8002 | It's in the agreement on that page. | 21:30 |
| AStorm | my GPS is ok in speed if used often | 21:30 |
| AStorm | GAN800: it's not some version check | 21:31 |
| GAN8002 | It's just a plaintext list of the ITOS releases for that device. | 21:31 |
| AStorm | it's MAC check | 21:31 |
| AStorm | yes, I downloaded the former newest | 21:31 |
| GAN8002 | The MAC check is just to (legally) confirm you have the device | 21:31 |
| AStorm | unless there's been a release of diablo, I have one | 21:31 |
| GAN8002 | To fulfill licensing requirements | 21:31 |
| nikosapi | I'm using the 1.2007.42-19 version of OS 2008 (third-to-last release), is it worth upgrading to the latest version? | 21:32 |
| AStorm | GAN800: yes, I do have the device. So why would I want to enter the MAC in the box? ;P | 21:32 |
| GAN8002 | 100% yes, nikosapi | 21:32 |
| AStorm | nikosapi: if it works fine, no | 21:32 |
| nikosapi | hehe | 21:32 |
| GAN8002 | There have been BIG improvements since then. | 21:32 |
| AStorm | GAN8002: no | 21:32 |
| GAN8002 | AStorm, I'm not really sure what your point is here. | 21:32 |
| AStorm | all attainable by software update in application manager | 21:32 |
| AStorm | so no need to flash | 21:32 |
| * GAN8002 goes back to working on the release history tablet. | 21:32 | |
| AStorm | everything except the kernel image | 21:32 |
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| GAN8002 | Not MicroB, not the system stuff. | 21:32 |
| AStorm | (which has some minor fixes) | 21:33 |
| nikosapi | oh, well that's good | 21:33 |
| AStorm | GAN8002: ah, right, microb | 21:33 |
| AStorm | but it didn't get any important updates | 21:33 |
| AStorm | maybe some minor fixes I didn't notice | 21:33 |
| GAN8002 | Nothing Nokia is upgradeable through Application manager yet | 21:33 |
| GAN8002 | Just "Map" | 21:33 |
| AStorm | and Map is not Nokia ;P | 21:33 |
| GAN8002 | nikosapi, yes, upgrade your device | 21:33 |
| nikosapi | do you know where I can get a ChangeLog? | 21:33 |
| GAN8002 | It's contracted. | 21:33 |
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| GAN8002 | nikosapi, release changelogs are usually either non-existent or non-helpful. | 21:34 |
| nikosapi | heh, nice | 21:35 |
| GAN8002 | 50-2/51-3 is a fairly meaningful bugfix upgrade over 42-19 | 21:35 |
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| nikosapi | I guess I'll backup and upgrade then | 21:35 |
| |penguinbait| | My wife is still runnnig 42-19 and never has any issues | 21:36 |
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| |penguinbait| | Of course, myspace on the web, and battlegeweled are all she ever uses :) | 21:36 |
| GAN8002 | Skype wont install on 42-19 | 21:36 |
| |penguinbait| | oh and Dead Radio | 21:37 |
| GAN8002 | That will be reason enough for most people. | 21:37 |
| nikosapi | pfff, who uses skype? | 21:37 |
| |penguinbait| | we use gtalk video messaging, so I would not have noticed | 21:37 |
| nikosapi | :) | 21:37 |
| GAN8002 | Not I, nikosapi, not I. | 21:37 |
| GAN8002 | But the point still stands, 42-19 is old and 50-2/51-3 has a lot of bugfixes. | 21:37 |
| AStorm | GAN8002: well, skype works badly anyway | 21:38 |
| penguinb8 | not disagreeing with you | 21:38 |
| AStorm | too unoptimized audio codecs | 21:38 |
| penguinb8 | just stating 42-19 works good, if you dont need an upgrade | 21:38 |
| AStorm | thus it drops connection on even mild CPU usage | 21:38 |
| n800m | anyone know if i can recover my bookmarks from firefox without starting it up? | 21:39 |
| AStorm | yes, from older versions easily | 21:39 |
| AStorm | <3.x | 21:39 |
| penguinb8 | is firefox useable? last I tried I pegged my cpu for 5 minutes? | 21:39 |
| n800m | yeah i had 3, went back to 2 and now it's screwed | 21:39 |
| AStorm | in new ones, with some sqlite db client | 21:39 |
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| AStorm | n800m: sure, new Firefox keeps stuff in sqlite dbs | 21:40 |
| AStorm | penguinb8: it is | 21:40 |
| AStorm | I mean, 3.x | 21:40 |
| AStorm | recent one, a major bug in plugins has been squashed (really old one, present in 2.x too) | 21:40 |
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| ||cw | penguinb8: what cpu? FF3 is better.... | 21:43 |
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| ||cw | er, .. | 21:43 |
| penguinb8 | cw? | 21:43 |
| penguinb8 | 810? | 21:43 |
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| AStorm | penguinb8: there's fx3 for n810? where? | 21:45 |
| AStorm | I know there's tablet-browser | 21:45 |
| GAN8002 | Minefield maemo | 21:45 |
| GAN8002 | Fennec, too | 21:45 |
| GAN8002 | Google for 'em | 21:45 |
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| nikosapi | flashing in progress... | 21:52 |
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| penguinb8 | <---- closes eyes | 21:53 |
| AStorm | ;P | 21:53 |
| penguinb8 | <----- hates flashers | 21:53 |
| GAN8002 | You should really like SSU, then. | 21:53 |
| * qwerty12_N800 really likes it. i've only had 1 failure and that's only because of my mods | 21:54 | |
| nikosapi | cool, it offers to restore your data :) | 21:54 |
| AStorm | yep | 21:55 |
| AStorm | which usually works | 21:55 |
| penguinb8 | sometimes :) | 21:56 |
| * GAN8002 is constitutionally incapable of remembering Harmattan | 21:58 | |
| Jaffa | Indeed. A little obscure. "hurricane" might've been better :) | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's a batty name anyway :/ | 21:59 |
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| GAN8002 | Chinook and Diablo I can at least associate with other things | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | Helicopter & devil, for example. | 21:59 |
| AStorm | Scirocco? ;P | 22:00 |
| AStorm | with a car? ;P | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | According to my about, I'm running 666 (literally ;)) | 22:00 |
| * Jaffa does like the look of the new Scirocco. Roll on September. | 22:00 | |
| RST38h | qwertry: AGPS app finally out? | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i posted screenie | 22:01 |
| GAN8002 | Somebody here got a 770 they can use to login to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php? | 22:01 |
| penguinb8 | I lost my old paperwork with my number, sorry | 22:01 |
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| penguinb8 | 0019 something :) | 22:02 |
| * Jaffa has it here, hang on | 22:02 | |
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| Cptnodegard | can you use usb ethernet adapters with the tablets usb host? | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 22:02 |
| GAN8002 | I just need a dump from the version list in the agreement | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 22:02 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8002: http://pastebin.com/m37738a40 | 22:03 |
| GAN8002 | Thanks, Jaffa! | 22:03 |
| ||cw | GAN800: i would, but I cna't find the _ | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cptnodegard, get a realtek one and search on itt for usblan | 22:03 |
| ||cw | ah there it is | 22:04 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Hurrah! | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | others can be used but then you need to compile the modules | 22:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, It's working brilliantly from what i've read | 22:05 |
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| Cptnodegard | thx qwerty12_N800 :=) | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Can I just use it on OS2008 or does it require a new kernel? | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, in theory you can | 22:07 |
| * RST38h is itching to try it | 22:07 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | you would need new gpsd and the agps-gui deps | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | ummm | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: ditto. But I'm not trashing everything to install diablo | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I wonder whether this thing is localized enough to try it separately | 22:09 |
| GAN8002 | Back up your current install to SD, then flash a clean chinook onto the internal and upgrade from there. | 22:09 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed, I was wondering same. Don't want to break the GPS before I go to France next week - or before I need it over the weekend - so probably won't. If diablo's not out by end of June, I'll probably do it then | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you have a linux comp, you can put a clean diablo or | 22:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | chinook straight onto a mmc ;) | 22:10 |
| * RST38h has no clean MMC =) | 22:11 | |
| RST38h | The only one I have (8GB) is the primary data storage | 22:11 |
| GAN8002 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeneralAntilles/Sandbox | 22:11 |
| GAN8002 | Dates are mostly wrong | 22:11 |
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| GAN8002 | missing the OS2006 beta release | 22:11 |
| GAN8002 | and the notes suck | 22:11 |
| GAN8002 | But it's a start | 22:12 |
| Jaffa | GAN8002: I could get image dates from the 770 download page | 22:12 |
| GAN8002 | I was going to see about thoughtfix's timeline | 22:12 |
| GAN8002 | Just cause I can use that as an easy citation | 22:12 |
| Jaffa | GAN8002: Ah, no dates on the file listing. | 22:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Has anyone noticed that the HIM gets stuck sometimes with browser open? | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in diablo | 22:15 |
| inz | Ville Valo gets stuck? | 22:15 |
| GAN8002 | It's that demon you invited into your device, qwerty12_N800. :P | 22:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 22:15 |
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| simboss | guys, quick question, anyone here succeded to install pluthon on the n800? | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I did a long time back | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but now they've changed the packages | 22:16 |
| simboss | I am dying on it :-( | 22:17 |
| simboss | where should I post questions about it? | 22:17 |
| simboss | I have got one unmet dependency (mount-full) which is killing me | 22:17 |
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| mrglinux | hi can i find nokia n810 in china for buy ?? i cant find it in dubai :-( | 22:19 |
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| penguinb8 | qwerty, how do I get my 15year old to start programming? I know I first must convince him that computers do more that display porn | 22:20 |
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| inz | penguin, but isn't that a lie? | 22:21 |
| onion | penguinb8: or is just for games | 22:21 |
| practisevoodoo | give him programming assignments and then give him porn when he completes them | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, tell him to write a program to crack porn sites :p | 22:21 |
| penguinb8 | give him a prono game, he would be in heaven | 22:21 |
| handful_of_dudu | penguinb8: does he likes games? :) there's quite quite basic things you could teach him... and then, if he get's excited about.. | 22:22 |
| handful_of_dudu | you don't need to worry too much anymore :) | 22:22 |
| handful_of_dudu | ehehe | 22:22 |
| GAN8001 | Bash scripting maybe, penguinb8? | 22:23 |
| penguinb8 | qwerty, is that how you started out? cracking porn sites :) | 22:23 |
| nikosapi | penguinb8: if he's into math, a fun yet simple exercise is to calculate Pi | 22:23 |
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| penguinb8 | your not listening, he's into lesbian porn | 22:24 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 22:24 |
| penguinb8 | not sure Bash scripting will help :) | 22:24 |
| onion | penguinb8: does he know anything about coding? | 22:24 |
| GAN8001 | Incentive matters | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | penguinb8, nah, I was into phone modding so I used to mess around with ida and a hex editor and then with my n800 I just like to run more progs on here :) | 22:24 |
| penguinb8 | hehe | 22:24 |
| inz | Mmh, first coding experiments brings back memories... | 22:24 |
| inz | Basic :x | 22:25 |
| penguinb8 | ah basic | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | Get him a PS3 if he learns a language. | 22:25 |
| ||cw | TI-BASIC | 22:25 |
| onion | basic on vic-20.. | 22:25 |
| * Jaffa looks at the current state of 100 days & 2010 agenda and is not surprised at - what I'd guess - Reggie pushing ITTSS and users wanting things like "multi-touch screen" | 22:25 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 coded a program time ago to get into cmd | 22:25 | |
| penguinb8 | I used to save my programs on a tape player | 22:25 |
| penguinb8 | fun to listen to | 22:25 |
| penguinb8 | I had a TI | 22:25 |
| GAN8001 | Reggie's a little pathetic with that whole itTSS thing. . . . | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: aye | 22:26 |
| AStorm | penguinb8: not just you, I also used to do that | 22:26 |
| * qwerty12_N800 listens to TI | 22:26 | |
| AStorm | with C64 | 22:26 |
| penguinb8 | My first computer experience was an XT with 10MB hard disk and 2400baud hayes modem | 22:26 |
| GAN8001 | First it was the stunned disbelief, then it was the pity party, then the subversion of useful work. | 22:26 |
| AStorm | penguinb8: oh, a modem! | 22:26 |
| AStorm | I had to wait till 1995 to get one ;P | 22:27 |
| AStorm | or was it 1993 | 22:27 |
| gnuSnob | penguinb8: a hard drive? you started out easy! :P | 22:27 |
| AStorm | yeah, 1993 | 22:27 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, give me a link to the wiki pages, I'm stumbling all over my retarded self trying to find the linkgs right now. | 22:27 |
| penguinb8 | I used to dial UofM and dial out from there anywhere in the world at 1200baud | 22:27 |
| penguinb8 | woohoo | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: hang on, half way through an edit... | 22:27 |
| GAN8001 | Nevermind | 22:27 |
| AStorm | penguinb8: you got INTERNETS! | 22:27 |
| gnuSnob | I had to punch holes in floppies just to eek out a couple kb | 22:27 |
| GAN8001 | Front page of itT | 22:27 |
| AStorm | oh, wait, no, it was CompuServe back then ;P | 22:27 |
| GAN8001 | Retard-mode idle! | 22:27 |
| AStorm | gnuSnob: wtf? | 22:28 |
| AStorm | these were for write protection afaicr | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sighhh, you old timers :p | 22:28 |
| AStorm | I mean, the cutouts | 22:28 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe, yeah, Jaffa: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days&diff=370&oldid=369 | 22:28 |
| gnuSnob | 3.5 floppies would become usable has "high density" disks if they had an extra hole added | 22:28 |
| GAN8001 | Why are these idiots making hardware requests in the _MAEMO.ORG_ agenda | 22:29 |
| AStorm | gnuSnob: ah, these | 22:29 |
| AStorm | that hack usually wouldn't work | 22:29 |
| AStorm | you'd have to format the disk physically then too | 22:29 |
| penguinb8 | you mean 5.25 | 22:30 |
| gnuSnob | yeah, reformat.. it worked for a couple years | 22:30 |
| penguinb8 | floppies | 22:30 |
| gnuSnob | no, 3.5 | 22:30 |
| gnuSnob | the plastic ones | 22:30 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda | 22:30 |
| gnuSnob | well, same thing w/ the 5.25 disks, actually | 22:30 |
| penguinb8 | when then 1.4MB floppies came out I was so happy | 22:30 |
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| penguinb8 | hahahahaha | 22:30 |
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| gnuSnob | the theory was that the media in the double density disks came off the same assembly line | 22:31 |
| AStorm | gnuSnob: which is untrue | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | by the time i had to use removable storage, we had usb flash drives ;) | 22:31 |
| gnuSnob | well, it worked, but I agree, there's a quality difference | 22:31 |
| AStorm | DD disks ended up being more expensive anyway ;P | 22:31 |
| gnuSnob | ~5 years later my DD disks that were "hacked" to HD started to get bad blocks | 22:32 |
| AStorm | 5 years? it's hard to get a good enough CD-R to last that long ;P | 22:32 |
| AStorm | they're all crud nowadays | 22:33 |
| RST38h | 22:33 | |
| AStorm | it's hard to grab Tyan Ind. disks, which were great | 22:33 |
| gnuSnob | AStorm: sounds like you were getting ripped.. micro center sold floppies in bulks of like 300 disks, and the dd ones were cheaper (hence the reason they could sell the punchers) | 22:33 |
| AStorm | heh | 22:33 |
| RST38h | GAN: Reggie should finally fix that goddamned stylesheet at the iTT frontpage | 22:34 |
| AStorm | why would I need 300 disks? | 22:34 |
| * Jaffa structures 2010_Agenda a bit better. | 22:34 | |
| RST38h | And only THEN does he get a moral right to talk about software section =) | 22:34 |
| * GAN8001 sighs in relief. | 22:34 | |
| GAN8001 | So much better, Jaffa. | 22:34 |
| GAN8001 | taguapire | 22:34 |
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| GAN8001 | No wonder it was a mess. | 22:34 |
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| gnuSnob | what's the best way to kill and start the window manager? | 22:37 |
| gnuSnob | /usr/bin/matchbox-window-manager -theme default -use_ <= is that the process? | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Yes, that's the WM. | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Killing it will trigger an auto-reboot tho | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | gnuSnob: so if you're going to kill it, disable the "lifeguard reset" using the command line Linux/OS X flasher or 0xfff | 22:38 |
| AStorm | Jaffa: no, it won't | 22:38 |
| AStorm | it will restart the WM | 22:38 |
| AStorm | just kill -HUP it | 22:38 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:38 |
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| gnuSnob | hmm.. looks like astorm is right | 22:38 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, any ideas where we should push the discussion for this brainstorming? | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dsmetool reboots the n800 | 22:38 |
| GAN8001 | The mediawiki talk pages? | 22:38 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: or not, depending on options | 22:38 |
| AStorm | it can just restart the app | 22:39 |
| AStorm | and it does so with matchbox | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 22:39 |
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| gnuSnob | it killed it and brought it back up.. but it didn't give me the statusbar clock I just installed | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I need to read the --help again | 22:39 |
| gnuSnob | maybe I need to enable that somehow | 22:39 |
| AStorm | gnuSnob: yes, in Control Panel/Panels | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnuSnob, when killed, all 3rd party plug-ins are disabled | 22:40 |
| AStorm | yep | 22:40 |
| AStorm | which is horrible | 22:40 |
| gnuSnob | so killing that thing wasn't graceful? | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sending sigterm doesn't disable them tho | 22:40 |
| gnuSnob | Do I need to reboot to do it right then | 22:40 |
| gnuSnob | ah, should have used -HUP then | 22:40 |
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| sjgadsby | I'm amused by the discussion page for 100Days. | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | People need to learn how to use talk pages | 22:46 |
| AStorm | no, they won't | 22:46 |
| AStorm | otherwise, there's be no wikipedia as we know it ;) | 22:46 |
| AStorm | *there'd | 22:46 |
| GAN8001 | maemo.org is so unbelievably slow | 22:46 |
| GAN8001 | It's good that that guy didn't login so we can't make fun of his stupidity, sjgadsby. ;) | 22:47 |
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| gnuSnob | It turns out that the reason I couldn't see the statusbar clock was that the USB keyboard icon covers it | 22:51 |
| gnuSnob | err.. actually, pushes it into an overflow statusbar | 22:51 |
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| AStorm | hehehe | 22:53 |
| AStorm | who needs an icon for that? | 22:53 |
| AStorm | btw, statusbar clock takes two icons | 22:53 |
| gnuSnob | good point.. removing it now | 22:53 |
| gnuSnob | also removed brightness and sound - since adv-backlight serves both w/ one icon | 22:55 |
| AStorm | yep, that applet is pure gold | 22:55 |
| AStorm | it could use an enlargement (no pun intended) of mute and -/+ buttons | 22:56 |
| gnuSnob | yeah, installed it yesterday.. already saved me from one retina burning | 22:56 |
| Navi | Only the large statusbar clock does | 22:56 |
| AStorm | heh, if only we'd get a sunlight response daemon with it | 22:56 |
| Navi | the small one is just one icon | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: talk pages could be best way really | 22:56 |
| AStorm | one more configurable than the default | 22:57 |
| gnuSnob | AStorm: guess that would only help n810 users | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | Oh FFS, more end-user crap in 2010_Agenda. | 22:57 |
| AStorm | no, why? | 22:57 |
| gnuSnob | n800 doesn't have a lightmeter | 22:57 |
| AStorm | n800 also has a sensor | 22:57 |
| gnuSnob | afaik | 22:57 |
| gnuSnob | hmm.. where is it? | 22:57 |
| AStorm | let's see | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | n800 doesn't | 22:58 |
| AStorm | mhm | 22:58 |
| AStorm | no problem then | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it has temp sensor | 22:58 |
| Johnny5 | The light sensor was a "feature" of the n810 | 22:58 |
| AStorm | I'd still love adv.brightness with light sensor support | 22:58 |
| GAN8001 | Why did Reggie link it on the frontpage of itT? | 22:58 |
| AStorm | Johnny5: yeah, it's nice usually | 22:58 |
| AStorm | but the relation between light level and brightness is not configurable | 22:59 |
| Johnny5 | Which makes it useless IMO | 22:59 |
| AStorm | no, it is useful | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, Agreed. it just invites n00bs. | 22:59 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody needs to put a boilerplate at the top to help focus things. | 22:59 |
| GAN8001 | "This page is for brainstorming related to maemo.org ONLY" | 23:00 |
| * Jaffa will do. | 23:00 | |
| sjgadsby | What, you want people to read now? | 23:00 |
| GAN8001 | I don't have my arsenal of wikipedia templates to throw around on the maemo wiki. :D | 23:00 |
| * Johnny5 wonders what this "literacy" thing people keep talking about is... ;) | 23:01 | |
| GAN8001 | sjgadsby, I'm an optimist. :P | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 0.o | 23:01 |
| GAN8001 | An optometrist, too, you should probably do something about that eye, qwerty12_N800. :P | 23:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe | 23:02 |
| Johnny5 | w | 23:02 |
| AStorm | it was a smiley with a red-eye | 23:03 |
| AStorm | ;P | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | Warnings added. Would be good to add in some kind of box like often seen at the top of Wikipedia articles | 23:03 |
| GAN8001 | I'll try to pull a template, Jaffa. | 23:03 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: ta | 23:04 |
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| GAN8001 | So slooooow | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fasterrrrrr | 23:05 |
| Navi | ddduuuurrrrr | 23:05 |
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| Navi | qwerty12_N800, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186996&postcount=15 | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | reallyyyyyy | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks | 23:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | should take more time to read | 23:06 |
| Navi | I only changed three lines :P | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I ain't gonna waste time trying to find out the lines by myself :p | 23:08 |
| Navi | They're at the top :P | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll apply it to the diablo ver tomorrow. | 23:09 |
| Navi | The chunk of #defines and such | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm talking 'bout specifics | 23:09 |
| Navi | Oh | 23:09 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 23:09 |
| Navi | everything those defines changes are scattered throughout the program | 23:09 |
| Navi | really nasty stuff | 23:10 |
| GAN8001 | All of wikipedia's templates are composed of giant webs of other templates. | 23:10 |
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| sjgadsby | Waiting to see if meanwhile/Umptious shows up on the maemo wiki. | 23:11 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 23:11 |
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| PhosphoricX | I'd like to share a TTime (or equivilent XX:XX:XX) value between S60 and Maemo over bluetooth. How would you suggest that I encode/decode the data? | 23:12 |
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| GAN8001 | Jaffa, they're sorta better | 23:12 |
| GAN8001 | You can change the CSS style if you want. | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | So slooow | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby, If he does, give him a middle finger from me :p | 23:12 |
| GAN8001 | Amen | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: that's better. Might be tempted to lose some of the bold on it now. | 23:13 |
| GAN8001 | One sec | 23:14 |
| * Jaffa tweaks | 23:14 | |
| Jaffa | How's that? | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | Lightened the yellow a tad, too. | 23:14 |
| GAN8001 | I got two more tweaks | 23:15 |
| GAN8001 | One sec | 23:15 |
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| sjgadsby | Would the "Software applications..." yellow box be better right in the "End-user software wish list"? | 23:15 |
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| GAN8001 | OK, there. | 23:16 |
| GAN8001 | "Define types of applications that will be useful on the Internet Tablet" . . . ha | 23:17 |
| Johnny5 | "Yes" | 23:18 |
| AStorm | I think real command line utils would be useful | 23:19 |
| AStorm | that is, to hell with busybox, we want coreutils! | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | busybox gone | 23:19 |
| GAN8001 | That's not a maemo.org issue | 23:19 |
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| GAN8001 | There's a bug on bugzilla | 23:19 |
| AStorm | ;) | 23:20 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't forget procps too | 23:20 |
| AStorm | ya | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bbox top sucks ... | 23:20 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, if you want to keep tabs on things, just add the pages to your watchlist | 23:21 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: already done :-) | 23:24 |
| GAN8001 | Figured you might've, but just wanted to make sure you were aware of it. ;) | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: I quite fancy having a wikipedia-esque warning triangle and then combining the two boxes into two paragraphs in one box | 23:25 |
| GAN8001 | Sounds good to me | 23:25 |
| GAN8001 | Can't find the image off-hand, though. | 23:26 |
| GAN8001 | OK, it's more or less ready for the image, anyway. | 23:27 |
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| sjgadsby | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg.png | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby: nice | 23:28 |
| * Jaffa uploads | 23:28 | |
| GAN8001 | I like this, too: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg :D | 23:28 |
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| GAN8001 | Alternatively: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Stop_hand.svg | 23:29 |
| GAN8001 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ambox_warning_pn.svg | 23:29 |
| |penguinbait| | http://www.arcatapet.com/fullsize/13228.jpg | 23:30 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 23:30 |
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| |penguinbait| | http://scandalouscandice.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/middle-finger.jpg | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice. but where's the chains | 23:33 |
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| GAN8001 | That one's perfect, |penguinbait|. | 23:33 |
| GAN8001 | "Quite truthfully, we really don't want your retarded input. Please kindly GTFO kthxbai" | 23:33 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, got the effect I want :-) | 23:34 |
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| |penguinbait| | GAN, did I upset you? | 23:36 |
| GAN8001 | lol, sjgadsby and his damn grammar cleanups. :P | 23:36 |
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| GAN8001 | No, |penguinbait|, no sarcasm. | 23:36 |
| GAN8001 | I was running with the joke. :D | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, you love it really :p | 23:36 |
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| sjgadsby | Stop me, before I correct comma usage again! | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh noez! | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby: eww, one missing from the second paragraph | 23:37 |
| |penguinbait| | my wife does not want my retarded input either, but thats life | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sjgadsby. making it easier for the people at nokia to read the stuff. | 23:37 |
| GAN8001 | sjgadsby is like some horrible little fairy that follows everywhere you edit and makes you feel like a stupid 3rd grader. He's like some horrible grammar-Navi! :P | 23:37 |
| Navi | Hey! | 23:38 |
| |penguinbait| | haha | 23:38 |
| GAN8001 | Hey, commas don't go there! | 23:38 |
| GAN8001 | |penguinbait|, forget my stupidity from the repository issue. :) | 23:38 |
| GAN8001 | I was just being pissy for no good reason and you got caught up in the collateral damage. :) | 23:39 |
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| Jaffa | Grammar fixed. | 23:40 |
| |penguinbait| | I would have responded sooner, but I had to go look up "GTFO kthxba" | 23:40 |
| |penguinbait| | seriously can't we type in full all of our insults :) | 23:41 |
| |penguinbait| | no commas needed | 23:41 |
| GAN8001 | The retarded chan/AOL speak is part of the effect. ;) | 23:41 |
| Navi | stfu I iz leet | 23:42 |
| Navi | Dun hates on mah | 23:42 |
| GAN8001 | http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=57;t=001040;p=0 | 23:42 |
| sjgadsby | Wavage. | 23:43 |
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| GAN8001 | I feel like I'm on dialup again. . . . | 23:43 |
| |penguinbait| | etsley eakspey igpey atinley | 23:43 |
| Navi | Yay | 23:43 |
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| Saviq | "high-tech machines" erm... have they ever heard of google? | 23:46 |
| Mike11 | can anyone advise how to install web browser in Xepher? | 23:48 |
| * Jaffa beds. | 23:48 | |
| GAN8001 | 'night, Jaffa. | 23:49 |
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| summatusmentis | so, if I wanted to write a .desktop file to run kinit and aklog, in order to authenticate against kerberos5, who would I go about doing it? | 23:55 |
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| Navi | I'd steal a desktop file and use it as a template | 23:56 |
| |penguinbait| | right click and create new shortcut | 23:56 |
| |penguinbait| | ah, in KDE anyway | 23:56 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: where are tehy located? | 23:57 |
| summatusmentis | they* | 23:57 |
| Navi | /usr/share/application/hildon/ | 23:57 |
| Navi | or something like that | 23:57 |
| |penguinbait| | looks right | 23:57 |
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| summatusmentis | thanks! | 23:58 |
| |penguinbait| | KTiOPO4 | 23:58 |
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