IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-05-22

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AStorm	jeff1f: why not?	00:00
AStorm	the cpu would burn or what?	00:00
qwerty12_N800	even my w810 can connect to more than 1 device	00:01
jeff1f	I didn't know it bt has the ability	00:01
jeff1f	if	00:01
AStorm	lol, it would be fairly pointless w/o that	00:01
KotCzarny	but safe	00:01
KotCzarny	:>	00:01
AStorm	not at all	00:02
AStorm	MITM would still work	00:02
KotCzarny	:)	00:02
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jeff1f	Well then, I guess it's time to spend money on bt headphones	00:04
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AStorm	why?	00:04
AStorm	they suck	00:04
rm_you	pfft	00:04
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rm_you	BT headphones rock	00:04
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glass	jeff1f: most bt devices support up to like 6 or 9 simultaneous connections	00:04
AStorm	rm_you: no, they don't	00:05
rm_you	i recommend getting the pendant adapter kind	00:05
AStorm	they suck quality-wise	00:05
rm_you	?	00:05
rm_you	sound just as good as plugin	00:05
AStorm	normal phones with an adapter might be ok	00:05
rm_you	you must just have bad headphones	00:05
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glass	the actual phones in bt headsets suck most of the time	00:05
AStorm	rm_you: no, it's nowhere near as good ;P	00:05
glass	headphones that is	00:05
jeff1f	As long as it sounds decent while on the bus	00:05
AStorm	my CX300 don't agree with you	00:05
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KotCzarny	'doesn't'	00:05
Navi	The expensive BT headphones are good	00:05
AStorm	even these expensive Etymoics are worse than wired ones	00:06
rm_you	I spent about $85 on my pair and they sound pretty good	00:06
AStorm	not to mention the BT senns	00:06
glass	i'd much rather have a pendandt and plug my own headphones to it, because the headphone parts break too	00:06
* KotCzarny has plugin sony headphones		00:06
KotCzarny	for 10$	00:06
rm_you	but grab a pendant adapter and shove some earbuds on it and it sounds exactly the same	00:06
KotCzarny	and sound great	00:06
AStorm	rm_you: uhm, I won't take a guess what "pretty good" is for you	00:06
KotCzarny	:)	00:06
KotCzarny	(wired)	00:06
AStorm	KotCzarny: which one? ;P	00:06
KotCzarny	mdr-e808	00:06
KotCzarny	:)	00:06
glass	i like the sound of cheap koss plugs.. i guess i'm a basshead	00:07
AStorm	rm_you: were Nokia default phones ok for you?	00:07
rm_you	dunno	00:07
rm_you	i threw em away	00:07
AStorm	heh, should've at least tried	00:07
rm_you	i use MDR-ex71s	00:07
glass	the nokia default phones have a habit of lacking bass	00:07
glass	rm_you: those are good :)	00:07
rm_you	they're pretty decent for how cheap they are	00:07
AStorm	KotCzarny: these aren't the worst, but they shouldn't even be near good headphones	00:07
glass	rm_you: i used to have them, but i like the koss plugs the same	00:07
AStorm	should be separate aisle for cheap ones	00:07
AStorm	so that people don't get confused	00:08
KotCzarny	astorm, they are for 10$	00:08
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KotCzarny	what do you expect	00:08
rm_you	lol	00:08
AStorm	:>	00:08
KotCzarny	but sound great	00:08
KotCzarny	:)	00:08
rm_you	yeah mdr-ex71s were going for $10 on ebay a while back	00:08
AStorm	for $10, sure :-)	00:08
AStorm	ex71 I don't know	00:08
KotCzarny	light and portable	00:08
rm_you	prolly stolen off the assembly line in china (they WERE shipped from there) but whatev :P	00:08
glass	rm_you: woah? they were 60e here when i bought 'em	00:08
rm_you	glass: yeah, i bought 6 pairs of the at $10 a piece	00:08
KotCzarny	lol	00:08
glass	rm_you: thats a really nice deal	00:08
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rm_you	i run a pair through the laundry every month or so, i can't afford to buy more expensive headphones :p	00:09
rm_you	they have gone up, but they're still no more than $20 each	00:09
AStorm	heh, good phones survive a wash	00:09
rm_you	these SURVIVE	00:09
AStorm	CX100 at least did	00:09
rm_you	but they get really muddy sounding	00:10
AStorm	hehe	00:10
rm_you	so i give em away	00:10
AStorm	and CX didn't	00:10
Navi	:P	00:10
rm_you	:P	00:10
AStorm	(after drying)	00:10
AStorm	most likely yours' membrane sticked to something	00:10
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Navi	ooh, X-Fade is here	00:11
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rm_you	yeah i thought about taking em apart	00:11
rm_you	but it wasn't worth the time	00:12
AStorm	sure	00:12
rm_you	$10 is like.... 20 minutes of work	00:12
rm_you	lol	00:12
AStorm	if they cost $100, then why not	00:12
rm_you	yeah	00:12
rm_you	i used to spend so much time fixing stuff like that	00:12
rm_you	then i realized i could just go to work for an hour and buy three new pair	00:12
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rm_you	it was a revelation :P	00:12
AStorm	heh	00:12
qwerty12_N800	lol	00:12
AStorm	I lost these CX100 (or they got stolen, not sure)	00:13
AStorm	;P	00:13
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rm_you	:(	00:13
AStorm	thus had to upgrade to CX300	00:13
qwerty12_N800	so sad... :p	00:13
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AStorm	they are funny sonically	00:13
Cptnodegard	i got cx300 too	00:14
Cptnodegard	theyre ok	00:14
AStorm	I'd like something more neutral, but ordering Ety from US will be hard - got no real credit card	00:14
AStorm	same with Germany	00:14
Cptnodegard	paypal	00:14
glass	paypal?	00:14
AStorm	no, payshit doesn't work	00:15
glass	don't need no real card, visa electron or such debit should do it?	00:15
AStorm	although... why not ;P	00:15
Cptnodegard	http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_1556.jpg :P	00:15
AStorm	I'll try it next time.	00:15
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glass	it works.. had to use it just last week for some work stuff.. and i trust paypal more than i trust chinese	00:15
AStorm	Cptnodegard: mmmmh, Beyers...	00:15
Cptnodegard	you can transfer money to paypal using bank transfer	00:16
Cptnodegard	AStorm yup	00:16
glass	so it provides an useful service for buying from dodgy dealers(when buying pirated copies of modchips one might not trust the seller too mch)	00:16
AStorm	Cptnodegard: I know	00:16
rm_you	lol	00:16
rm_you	yeah I love paypal	00:16
AStorm	Cptnodegard: I got one cheap Beyer DT-230 too, overly good for the price	00:17
rm_you	only ever had money taken once, and it was my fault not paypal's.... and i got it back within a month with paypal's complaint service, sooooo	00:17
AStorm	a bit bass thin	00:17
glass	i must say that pirated modchips are the most attitude product i've ever bought	00:17
Cptnodegard	AStorm dont you mean dt231?	00:17
AStorm	uh, 231, yes	00:17
AStorm	;>	00:17
qwerty12_N800	the irony, pirated modchips...	00:17
Cptnodegard	i had those	00:17
rm_you	lol those headphones are bigger than the n800 :P	00:17
Cptnodegard	converted them to A2dp	00:17
AStorm	rm_you: yeah, they're for the laptop	00:17
rm_you	lol	00:17
Cptnodegard	http://captain-odegard.com/beyerdynamic-dt231-bluetooth-mod.html	00:17
AStorm	nice for games etc.	00:17
AStorm	comfy	00:18
Cptnodegard	sold those to a friend	00:18
Cptnodegard	the dt231 bt	00:18
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AStorm	should these have a bit more bass, they'd be great	00:18
rm_you	I need one of those $25 bluetooth things	00:18
AStorm	rm_you: get the $50 one	00:19
rm_you	did you ever try the more expensive one?	00:19
Saviq	anybody used bluetooth earphones with n8x0 here?	00:19
rm_you	Saviq: yes	00:19
AStorm	rm_you: I did, but don't have enough dough to spare	00:19
Cptnodegard	dont do that, spikes the cpu from what ive heard	00:19
Saviq	Like the moto s9 or something?	00:19
rm_you	Saviq: I used some logitec ones i bought in Akihabara	00:19
Saviq	Cptnodegard: oh :/	00:20
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rm_you	not the logitech you know... in japan it's a different brand, and the big name logitech is "logicool", lol	00:20
rm_you	AStorm: so you've tried both?	00:20
* qwerty12_N800 loves $30 a2dp headset that you plug any headphones into and it does mp3dec on the headset too so cpu usage is less on n800 :/		00:20
Cptnodegard	ive ordered another a2dp receiver.... going to mod a pair of koss ksc75 clip on phones with it and use it with my nokia e51 when it comes - while biking. also use a BT gps and sports tracker	00:20
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AStorm	rm_you: I tried many different headphones	00:20
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AStorm	pity I don't have like $500 to spare	00:21
Cptnodegard	the best solution for the tablets i think woul dbe a BT transmitter	00:21
rm_you	AStorm: so, between the $25 and $50 bt receivers, was there realy a noticable difference?	00:21
Saviq	qwerty12_N800: yeah well it kinda misses the wireless part...	00:21
AStorm	rm_you: ah, that	00:21
rm_you	Cptnodegard: i've had good luck working on a2dp on the n800	00:21
AStorm	we used similar here in labs	00:21
shapr	Oh? a2dp works on the n800?	00:21
rm_you	yeah	00:22
AStorm	$25 one introduced major noise and crackles	00:22
Cptnodegard	define "good luck"	00:22
Cptnodegard	:d	00:22
rm_you	Cptnodegard: have you followed johnx and my work at all?	00:22
Cptnodegard	no.... :3	00:22
AStorm	rm_you: we didn't use the exact one that guy tested	00:22
shapr	rm_you: Does it require lots of CPU? I tried a2dp on the 770, and it ate my batteries.	00:22
rm_you	got it so videos play sound over a2dp PERFECTLY with mplayer	00:22
rm_you	not too much	00:22
Cptnodegard	without cpu spikes?	00:22
qwerty12_N800	Saviq, I can live with that wire :)	00:22
rm_you	yeah	00:22
rm_you	it's very stable	00:23
shapr	rm_you: Cool! where do I get it?	00:23
rm_you	it uses a bit extra, but... it isn't horrible	00:23
Cptnodegard	canola support? :3	00:23
rm_you	music still has some issues, but there are workarounds	00:23
rm_you	Cptnodegard: still working on it	00:23
AStorm	Cptnodegard: works, why wouldn't it?	00:23
rm_you	need to force canola to use mplayer as a music backend	00:23
AStorm	yes	00:23
shapr	I mostly want a2dp music, so I can listen to music while I unicycle.	00:23
rm_you	haven't figured out how to do that yet	00:23
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rm_you	shapr: well, it works with Kagu	00:23
rm_you	and UKMP	00:23
shapr	Spiffy!	00:24
Cptnodegard	http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/Speakers.16/ibluon.260/BT-TD03/iBluon_Bluetooth_Stereo_Audio_Transmitter.2441.html would be an easier solution though :3	00:24
qwerty12_N800	you can have canola support, make atabake use mplayer rather than oms	00:24
shapr	That's enough for me.	00:24
rm_you	qwerty12_N800: yeah i know it's possible, just don't know how	00:24
Saviq	qwerty12_N800: and a way to use the same phones for my phonecalls is a must for me	00:24
shapr	I do wish I could play FLACs over a2dp :-(	00:24
Cptnodegard	but it sure owuld be awesome to have a2dp working perfectly	00:24
rm_you	shapr: you can	00:24
shapr	how?	00:24
qwerty12_N800	vi ~/.atabake/config	00:24
AStorm	shapr: mplayer should know it	00:24
shapr	Do they get dynamically recoded?	00:24
qwerty12_N800	smth like that	00:24
Cptnodegard	shapr: you cannot :p	00:24
rm_you	shapr: i listen to my Nightwish flac files on a2dp :P	00:24
AStorm	Cptnodegard: why not?	00:24
rm_you	mplayer can play flac	00:25
Cptnodegard	they wont be flac anymore since flac bitrate is way over BT 2.0 specs	00:25
rm_you	CANOLA can play flac	00:25
rm_you	well, yes	00:25
rm_you	but they still PLAY	00:25
AStorm	Cptnodegard: BT 2.1 FTW	00:25
shapr	FLAC isn't a supported codec for a2dp, does mplayer re-code on the fly?	00:25
rm_you	mplayer re-encodes mp3 on the fly too...	00:25
AStorm	but it's still too slow	00:25
rm_you	it has to be coded to SBC	00:25
shapr	huh	00:25
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shapr	I don't remember the quality of the SBC codec...	00:25
rm_you	lardman is working on a DSP SBC encoder	00:25
AStorm	BT is much too slow for sound	00:25
* shapr asks wikipedia		00:25
rm_you	which will be nice	00:25
AStorm	who votes for wifi phones?	00:26
AStorm	;P	00:26
shapr	rm_you: That would be especially cool!	00:26
rm_you	lol	00:26
rm_you	yeah	00:26
rm_you	when he finishes that, i'm going to buy him a CASE of beer :P	00:26
shapr	Yeah, I'd buy him a beer, definitely.	00:26
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rm_you	anyways, the post is on ITT somewhere, lemmie find it	00:26
shapr	thanks	00:26
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Cptnodegard	meh i need to get to bed... exam tomorrow :/	00:26
Cptnodegard	wonder if i can pass the n800 as a calculator	00:27
rm_you	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468	00:27
rm_you	lol	00:27
Cptnodegard	run tiemu and smily pretty	00:27
AStorm	Cptnodegard: I could	00:27
AStorm	run HP calc	00:27
Navi	Hehe	00:27
qwerty12_N800	i cant :(	00:27
Navi	TIEmu is nicer	00:27
rm_you	the newest mplayer now includes my patch	00:27
AStorm	ah, right, no	00:27
qwerty12_N800	i tried :/	00:27
Cptnodegard	i got a ti92 rom on the emu	00:27
AStorm	they'll think it's a cell phone	00:27
rm_you	so don't have to worry about that anymore	00:27
rm_you	just follow his guide	00:27
rm_you	he has a deb at the bottom that does most of the work	00:27
qwerty12_N800	"nokia" gives it away	00:27
rm_you	it's sad, OFFICIAL a2dp support can't be that far away	00:28
rm_you	and it's been working for like a year now	00:28
AStorm	qwerty12_N800: nah	00:28
AStorm	it looks too much like an iPhone	00:28
Cptnodegard	we dont have iphones here :p	00:28
qwerty12_N800	aww	00:28
rm_you	sec, gonna go grab my n800/BT headphones	00:28
KotCzarny	gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126)	00:28
qwerty12_N800	count urself lucky :p	00:28
KotCzarny	:)	00:28
AStorm	KotCzarny: finally	00:29
KotCzarny	nope	00:29
KotCzarny	reinstalling again	00:29
AStorm	Cptnodegard: we have iPhone look-alikes	00:29
KotCzarny	machine crashed	00:29
KotCzarny	:>	00:29
Cptnodegard	oh well, sleep -> exam -> possibly SSH myself into the front of a passing trailer	00:29
qwerty12_N800	only thing good about iphone is that i get free youtube in o2 shop	00:29
AStorm	nooooo!	00:29
KotCzarny	i should really take that hdd with badblock out	00:29
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AStorm	heh	00:29
practisevoodoo	has anyone got kismet working on os2008?	00:30
AStorm	yes, some people	00:30
AStorm	for short time	00:30
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KotCzarny	;)	00:30
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* AStorm thinks people should be shot for using phase inversion as a cheap replacement for real surround		00:32
AStorm	sounds like sh*t on headphones	00:33
rm_you	lol	00:34
KotCzarny	what's the sound of sh*t ?	00:34
AStorm	you know, why do you ask? ;P	00:35
shapr	Sort of like static, on a biological level.	00:35
rm_you	yeah so, by default music skips a lot	00:35
rm_you	but there's a way to fix that...	00:36
* rm_you looks		00:36
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* RST38h thinks people should be shot for using real surround as a cheap replacement for penis enlargement surgery		00:37
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KotCzarny	:>	00:37
qwerty12_N800	lmao	00:37
KotCzarny	shot in the ears?	00:38
KotCzarny	or penis?	00:38
KotCzarny	:)	00:38
qwerty12_N800	balloon pump is best	00:38
KotCzarny	hand massage is better :P	00:38
qwerty12_N800	reminds of deleted borat scene	00:38
KotCzarny	shopped	00:38
RST38h	they had to DELETE a scene?\	00:39
RST38h	I mean, they did not delete the whole damn movie but had to delete a scene somehow?	00:39
rm_you	what's the bash variable for "all arguments"?	00:39
KotCzarny	$*	00:39
rm_you	is it $@?	00:39
rm_you	ah	00:39
qwerty12_N800	3rd update of diablo and microb still sucks cock..	00:39
rm_you	does that include $0?	00:39
KotCzarny	$@ could probably work too	00:40
RST38h	$*	00:40
RST38h	But $n- will work too	00:40
rm_you	does $* include $0?	00:40
rm_you	cause I DON'T want $0	00:41
RST38h	where n is the first argument	00:41
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RST38h	rm_you: $1-	00:41
KotCzarny	rm_you: probably not	00:41
rm_you	let's test, shall we? :P	00:41
* rm_you tests		00:41
rm_you	yep, works	00:41
rm_you	$* doesn't include $0	00:41
KotCzarny	beware thouhg	00:41
KotCzarny	if you had any "blah blah" they will get splitted	00:42
rm_you	>_>	00:42
rm_you	why?	00:42
KotCzarny	don't ask me	00:42
rm_you	quoting doesnt work?	00:42
rm_you	>_>	00:42
KotCzarny	it's stupid.	00:42
AStorm	$@ doesn't break quotes	00:42
AStorm	$* does	00:42
KotCzarny	ever seen "$1" "$2" "$3" in scripts?	00:42
KotCzarny	:)	00:42
AStorm	or the other way	00:42
KotCzarny	astorm: o	00:43
KotCzarny	good to know	00:43
rm_you	AH, $@	00:43
rm_you	see	00:43
KotCzarny	:)	00:43
KotCzarny	are there any other differences?	00:43
rm_you	i knew I used $@ for a reason :P	00:43
KotCzarny	also do i have to quote $@ ?	00:43
rm_you	wtf	00:43
rm_you	n800 doesn't include "nice" by default? >_>	00:43
AStorm	KotCzarny: not necessarily	00:44
* rm_you installs nice		00:44
KotCzarny	rm_you: but renice is there	00:44
AStorm	rm_you: they overdid the "embedded" thingy	00:44
AStorm	built a stripped busybox	00:44
KotCzarny	and threw hildon	00:44
KotCzarny	:/	00:44
rm_you	does nice exist in the repos?	00:44
rm_you	or do I HAVE to use renice	00:44
qwerty12_N800	is it in coreutils?	00:45
AStorm	coreutils exist in the repos	00:45
AStorm	but requires a moderate hack to install	00:45
KotCzarny	but conflicts with everything	00:45
KotCzarny	;)	00:45
AStorm	work fine	00:45
rm_you	lol	00:45
qwerty12_N800	my hack works ;)	00:45
rm_you	will remove busybox >_<	00:45
rm_you	stupid	00:45
KotCzarny	well, with busybox at least	00:45
KotCzarny	:)	00:45
rm_you	ok, i guess i'll just use renice	00:45
KotCzarny	;)	00:45
rm_you	though I LOVE the message it gives	00:45
rm_you	makes you type "Yes, do as I say!" :P	00:45
KotCzarny	copypaste	00:46
rm_you	try talking your way out of that one	00:46
KotCzarny	:P	00:46
derf	echo	00:46
qwerty12_N800	rm_you, you can extract the nice binary from coreutils. i ccan even do it from this tablet but i cant be arsed :p	00:46
rm_you	"well, I installed this app, and it broke my n800." "well, did it warn you about anything?" "well, it did make me explicitly tell it to override all safety protocols...." "......."	00:46
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KotCzarny	dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/depmod.modutils' with	00:47
KotCzarny	different file `/sbin/depmod', not allowed	00:47
KotCzarny	ok	00:47
KotCzarny	how to fix it?	00:47
AStorm	--force	00:47
AStorm	I suggest --force all	00:47
rm_you	LOL	00:48
rm_you	i love the default VI install...	00:48
KotCzarny	apt-get --force-all -f install	00:48
KotCzarny	E: Command line option --force-all is not understood	00:48
rm_you	"u" is not implimented	00:48
rm_you	>_<	00:48
AStorm	KotCzarny: dpkg	00:48
timely	rm_you: that'll teach you not to make mistakes ;)	00:48
AStorm	rm_you: yes, busybox vi, stripped down below bare essentials	00:48
AStorm	install vim	00:48
rm_you	lol yes	00:48
KotCzarny	same error with dpkg and force	00:49
rm_you	hrm	00:49
rm_you	i wonder how to get mplayer to give me its PID back	00:49
qwerty12_N800	pidof	00:49
AStorm	KotCzarny: then remove that depmod	00:49
AStorm	who cares about it ;P	00:49
KotCzarny	how to find which pkg owns it?	00:49
qwerty12_N800	renice wotever `pidof mplayer`	00:49
AStorm	apt-cache?	00:50
AStorm	qwerty12_N800: where wotever == -5	00:50
KotCzarny	and?	00:50
timely	dpkg -S or something	00:50
AStorm	:>	00:50
KotCzarny	dpkg -S /sbin/depmod	00:50
KotCzarny	dpkg: /sbin/depmod not found.	00:50
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AStorm	it's depmod.modutils ;P	00:54
AStorm	I suspect it's from busybox	00:54
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qwerty12_N800	that works too	00:54
KotCzarny	dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/fr/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz' with	00:55
KotCzarny	different file `/usr/share/man/fr/man5/modules.5.gz', not allowed	00:55
KotCzarny	fun, isn't it?	00:55
KotCzarny	:)	00:55
qwerty12_N800	you speak french? i sure dont. delete! :p	00:55
AStorm	KotCzarny: :>	00:56
rm_you	bah how do i make this show me priorities	00:56
rm_you	both ps and top aren't giving me the column they normally do for priorities	00:56
KotCzarny	rm_you: top	00:56
KotCzarny	:)	00:56
rm_you	>_>	00:56
KotCzarny	just unpack normal top from coreutils	00:57
rm_you	lol	00:57
rm_you	bah	00:57
KotCzarny	and put into /usr/local	00:57
AStorm	rm_you: grab procps	00:57
rm_you	the problem is i don't have wireless on my n800 at the moment	00:57
AStorm	KotCzarny: it's not in coreutils, but in procps	00:57
KotCzarny	whatever :>	00:57
KotCzarny	mmmkay	00:57
rm_you	any other way to do it?	00:57
AStorm	btw, could you build us htop?	00:57
KotCzarny	seems like i have newest qemu and gcc	00:57
qwerty12_N800	it's already available - htop that is	00:58
qwerty12_N800	nokia built it themselves	00:58
AStorm	really?	00:58
AStorm	couldn't find it	00:58
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qwerty12_N800	google sp-error-visualiser, same page as that	00:59
qwerty12_N800	KotCzarny, lucky :p. new qemu works but new compilers f*ck up in my sbox	01:00
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KotCzarny	:)	01:00
KotCzarny	define 'f*ck up'	01:00
rm_you	DAMN	01:01
rm_you	this is pissing me off >_<	01:01
qwerty12_N800	i try compiling a program and it says it's for wrong arch	01:01
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KotCzarny	O.o	01:01
rm_you	is there seriously no way to see the current priority of a process without getting a custom version of top or ps?	01:01
AStorm	hm.... how do I press Fxx keys in htop? ;p	01:01
KotCzarny	rm_you: maybe in /proc ?	01:01
AStorm	ah, tab them ;P	01:01
KotCzarny	astorm: use xvkbg	01:01
KotCzarny	xvkbd	01:01
AStorm	*tap	01:02
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AStorm	no need to	01:02
qwerty12_N800	rm_you, usb a binary over	01:02
AStorm	they're sensitive to the mouse press	01:02
rm_you	ah i can bluetooth it	01:02
rm_you	do i need coreutils or procps?	01:02
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KotCzarny	procps	01:02
qwerty12_N800	procps	01:02
rm_you	k	01:02
AStorm	or htop instead	01:03
AStorm	which is top, but better	01:03
AStorm	KotCzarny: ok, 2.6.26-rcx-omapx built	01:03
qwerty12_N800	just extract top binary tho, otherwise apt is probably whine like a p*ssy about busybox	01:03
KotCzarny	whoo hoo	01:03
KotCzarny	but boots?	01:04
AStorm	dunno yet	01:04
AStorm	waiting for your btrfs-tools	01:04
AStorm	I need to clone my rootfs to that other partition	01:04
qwerty12_N800	AStorm, you can compile n8*0 kernels but not programs? 0.o	01:04
AStorm	qwerty12_N800: cross compiler	01:04
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AStorm	in Gentoo	01:05
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qwerty12_N800	AStorm, ahh :)	01:05
AStorm	building programs should be possible too, but a bit of work	01:05
AStorm	and no packaging	01:05
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rm_you	bleh, how do i unpack debs on this?	01:07
rm_you	i usually use tar on my pc, but it isn't working	01:07
AStorm	dpkg?	01:07
AStorm	apt-get?	01:07
AStorm	debs are packed with ar	01:07
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rm_you	hrm, tar works on PC >_>	01:07
KotCzarny	astorm: compiled, /n800/binaries/	01:07
qwerty12_N800	dpkg -x .deb /where/to	01:07
AStorm	KotCzarny: why not n800/dist? ;P	01:07
KotCzarny	dist is for .debs	01:07
AStorm	ahh, it's a tarball?	01:07
KotCzarny	yup	01:08
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KotCzarny	ok, who wants anything built with a shiny new gcc 4.2.3 ?	01:11
KotCzarny	:)	01:11
qwerty12_N800	Aleph 1 :p	01:11
KotCzarny	is it in debian repo?	01:12
KotCzarny	:)	01:12
qwerty12_N800	probably not :)	01:12
rm_you	damnit	01:13
qwerty12_N800	you need to include mesa headers and then configure w/out opengl	01:13
AStorm	KotCzarny: yay, that worked!	01:14
AStorm	:*	01:14
KotCzarny	good	01:14
KotCzarny	because i didn't knew to which glibc it was linked	01:14
KotCzarny	;)	01:14
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AStorm	who cares, use static uclibc ;P	01:15
KotCzarny	not included by default	01:16
KotCzarny	:)	01:16
AStorm	ok, now	01:16
AStorm	how would I best clone a running system?	01:16
AStorm	ah, answered myself, run my new kernel or an old one	01:17
AStorm	with a diff initfs	01:17
AStorm	and run cp -a	01:17
AStorm	or maybe...	01:17
AStorm	mount the rootfs somewhere else, then cp -a	01:17
AStorm	:>	01:17
KotCzarny	mount --bind	01:18
AStorm	yes	01:18
AStorm	or just normal mount	01:18
KotCzarny	otherwise you end up copying junk	01:18
rm_you	hrm, weird	01:18
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KotCzarny	astorm: wanna my clone.sh script?	01:18
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KotCzarny	it will format card and copy and everything	01:18
KotCzarny	;)	01:18
AStorm	KotCzarny: nah, I'll be done before you'll gimme the link	01:19
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rm_you	wow i'm dumb	01:21
rm_you	i'm like... WHY ISN'T MY RENICE WORKING!??! THE COMMAND WORKS WHEN I TYPE IT OUTSIDE THE SCRIPT BUT NOT IN THE SCRIPT, WTF!!!	01:21
rm_you	and then i realized i forgot to background mplayer :P	01:21
AStorm	copy in progress ;	01:21
AStorm	:>	01:21
KotCzarny	:)	01:21
AStorm	done	01:22
AStorm	time for reboot	01:22
AStorm	ah, not yet done	01:23
AStorm	top lied to me ;)	01:23
AStorm	cpu is busy unpacking jffs2	01:23
disq	just updated the diablo and then flashed the rotation kernel, boots	01:24
qwerty12_N800	diablo kernel doesn't like 810	01:24
qwerty12_N800	:p	01:24
KotCzarny	O.o	01:24
timely	hrw\|gone: talk to eero	01:24
timely	they were asking if we could pull it into diablo	01:25
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timely	it seems it didn't work w/ the tutorial	01:25
timely	i'm not sure if that was the flash bits or not	01:25
AStorm	copy done, time for test reboot	01:28
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KotCzarny	ok, bedtime	01:29
AStorm	argh, have to mod initfs	01:29
rm_you	ha got it	01:29
rm_you	simple	01:29
rm_you	so, if you renice mplayer to -5 then it won't skip playing a2dp	01:29
KotCzarny	but still will hog the cpu?	01:30
AStorm	yes, it's because O(1) sched is stupid	01:30
rm_you	no	01:30
AStorm	and esd is reniced to -5	01:30
rm_you	it's weird	01:30
AStorm	ditch esd and all will be well	01:30
AStorm	:>	01:30
rm_you	it only uses like 25% cpu playing audio	01:30
AStorm	or nice it to 0	01:30
rm_you	but without renice -5, it skips	01:30
KotCzarny	yeah	01:30
KotCzarny	xorg and everything get in the way	01:30
rm_you	it works FINE with video	01:31
rm_you	which makes no sense	01:31
rm_you	because it is working harder	01:31
AStorm	unfair, random scheduling ;P	01:31
rm_you	but whatev	01:31
AStorm	run while true; do; done	01:31
AStorm	and see it fail	01:31
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rm_you	ok so yeah, i guess it does use 40-50% on a2dp	01:32
rm_you	but at least it works nicely	01:32
rm_you	if you want to listen to music for like 4 hours tho, it won't exactly work on battery <_<	01:32
rm_you	but it's nice when i'm at home or for short periods	01:32
rm_you	like when i go to class	01:33
rm_you	again, can't wait till lardman finishes working on the DSP-SBC encoder :p	01:33
AStorm	ok, where do I get jffs2 tools?	01:34
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rm_you	are they not in extras?	01:34
AStorm	no no	01:34
AStorm	I mean, like, in Gentoo	01:34
rm_you	oh, lo	01:34
rm_you	lol	01:34
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AStorm	maybe the name is different	01:35
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qwerty12_N800	mtd-utils?	01:35
rm_you	emerge -S jffs2?	01:35
rm_you	i may go back to gentoo this summer	01:35
AStorm	mtd-utils are there	01:35
rm_you	ubuntu/debian has been pissing me off	01:35
rm_you	it drops me to initfs with boot failures like 4/5 reboots	01:36
KotCzarny	astorm: just get fanoush initfs-flasher	01:36
KotCzarny	mtd-utils are inside	01:36
qwerty12_N800	not all	01:36
AStorm	KotCzarny: not mkfs.jffs2	01:36
KotCzarny	necessary for initfs building	01:36
qwerty12_N800	that is	01:37
AStorm	and I still want these on Gentoo ;P	01:37
rm_you	hrm	01:37
AStorm	yes, it's in mtd-utils	01:37
KotCzarny	flash_eraseall mkfs.jffs2 nanddump nandwrite sumtool	01:37
rm_you	I think canola may not be happy hooking into mplayer when /usr/bin/mplayer is actually my own bash script >_>	01:37
qwerty12_N800	mkfs.jffs2 is part of mtd-utils, it's how i've been building initfs's	01:37
rm_you	it's entirely failing to start playing anything	01:37
KotCzarny	qwerty: it's included ..	01:38
qwerty12_N800	i've got all the arm mtd-utils built :/	01:39
KotCzarny	:)	01:39
qwerty12_N800	fanoush gave me source because git wouldn't compile for me :)	01:39
AStorm	hehe	01:39
AStorm	ok, time to flash the initfs	01:39
rm_you	yeah, darn...	01:41
rm_you	anyone know how kagu/canola hook into mplayer?	01:41
rm_you	i guess it doesn't like my scripts	01:41
AStorm	these use so-called embedded mode	01:42
AStorm	call mplayer with some args	01:43
rm_you	hrm	01:43
rm_you	well, when i use a script that is essentially just "mplayer.real $@" it doesnt work	01:43
KotCzarny	maybe you need -idle -slave ?	01:44
KotCzarny	and probably -v too	01:44
rm_you	but it should pass those on	01:44
rm_you	>_>	01:44
rm_you	right?	01:44
KotCzarny	don't know	01:44
rm_you	<_<	01:44
KotCzarny	debug to /tmp	01:44
KotCzarny	ie. echo "$@" >/tmp/something	01:45
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KotCzarny	you will know what's passed	01:45
rm_you	lol	01:45
rm_you	good idea :P	01:45
KotCzarny	i know :P	01:45
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AStorm	now where did I misplace that µUSB cable...	01:46
KotCzarny	lol	01:46
KotCzarny	;)	01:46
rm_you	i wonder if it's failing to quote properly	01:47
rm_you	it might be	01:47
AStorm	got it :-)	01:49
rm_you	yep, quoting issues	01:49
rm_you	plays things without spaces	01:49
rm_you	hrm... $1- doesnt seem to work?	01:50
rm_you	or is that wrong	01:50
AStorm	it is wrong	01:50
AStorm	use $@	01:50
rm_you	i use $@	01:50
AStorm	then quote it too	01:50
rm_you	just trying to check out alternatives	01:50
AStorm	try "$@"	01:50
rm_you	if I quote $@ it'll put the quotes around every arg >_>	01:50
KotCzarny	that's good	01:51
KotCzarny	:)	01:51
jdiaz	how can I tell which processes are using /mnt/mmc1?	01:51
rm_you	no?	01:51
rm_you	it'll be...	01:51
jdiaz	fuser -m shows nothing	01:51
AStorm	jdiaz: then it's the swapfile	01:51
AStorm	:-)	01:51
rm_you	mplayer "-slave -quite -forceidx /path/to/mp3.mp3"	01:51
fysa	$*?	01:51
beford	lsof ?	01:51
jdiaz	oh	01:51
jdiaz	uh oh	01:51
jdiaz	true	01:51
rm_you	not what i need	01:52
jdiaz	so I can't access that card trough usb...	01:52
rm_you	i think?	01:52
beford	disable swap temporally :P	01:53
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jdiaz	can I disable it even if virtual memory is in use?	01:53
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fysa	-quiet?	01:53
beford	swapoff /xx/xx	01:54
fysa	$@ without quotes if you're doing it that way, I would think.	01:54
fysa	args=$@	01:54
fysa	mplayer $args	01:54
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KotCzarny	wouldn't it suck for files with ; or " " in name?	01:55
KotCzarny	:>	01:55
jdiaz	yes, it would	01:56
KotCzarny	ok, mysql is buildin, night people	01:56
fysa	" " should be OK, because the filename should be in quotes or have escaped spaces by the time it gets there.	01:56
fysa	; is just gross. ;)	01:56
KotCzarny	fysa: but you are assigning it to a variable	01:57
KotCzarny	and then using that variable	01:57
KotCzarny	which sh will break into pieces	01:57
KotCzarny	night	01:57
KotCzarny	:)	01:57
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rm_you	is there a way to set up an AUTO renice?	02:06
rm_you	like... processes with name "x" always start with priority -5?	02:07
AStorm	impossible w/o a daemon	02:08
AStorm	btw, how do I loop mount a jffs2?	02:08
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AStorm	as my initfs is failing for some reason	02:09
rm_you	this is aggrivating. i hate quoting issues	02:09
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AStorm	argh, for some reason, my initfs doesn't boot ;P	02:16
flo_lap	Hrm... is there a working blog editor for maemo?	02:17
beford	there is something on the repos for wordpress	02:18
flo_lap	maemo-blog?	02:18
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flo_lap	Porting Drivel should be easy...	02:20
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AStorm	ok, right, that init script has had things commented out ;P	02:21
AStorm	anyway, that btrfs doesn't boot for some reason or another	02:21
rm_you	anyone know if it is possible to get UKMP to use mplayer as a backend?	02:22
AStorm	ah, right, invalid module format	02:22
AStorm	have to copy a real module there then	02:22
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rm_you	wtf	02:23
rm_you	i don't understand how REAL mplayer is able to parse the commandlines of these programs...	02:23
rm_you	the paths everything is sending are NOT quoted to begin with <_<	02:23
rm_you	I really need to figure out how to force quoting	02:24
rm_you	AH	02:24
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AStorm	hmm, boot failed	02:28
AStorm	why did it, dammit?	02:28
AStorm	;P	02:28
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rm_you	wow, think i got it	02:35
rm_you	that was way too complicated	02:35
rm_you	i had to manually process each arg and see if it needed quoting	02:35
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AStorm	whee, it's booting from btrfs :-)	02:43
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AStorm	to add, it booted noticeably faster	02:45
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rm_you	great, now mplayer is complaining about something with dbus and just crashing	02:50
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AStorm	ok, my N needs a big charge up for the next phase	02:51
rm_you	this is silly....	02:51
rm_you	now i have it adding escapes to the spaces in filenames	02:52
rm_you	and it STILL isn't working	02:52
rm_you	wtf	02:53
AStorm	possibly embedded mode uses pid of the process?	02:53
rm_you	so apparently mplayer just FAILS now	02:53
rm_you	this is random	02:53
AStorm	heh	02:53
rm_you	i even ditched my script...	02:54
rm_you	just straight mplayer now crashes trying to do anything	02:54
AStorm	:P	02:54
rm_you	even after a reboot	02:54
AStorm	brb, moving to N810	02:54
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rm_you	that doesnt make sense >_< I didn't do anything to it...	02:54
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rm_you	D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": no such file or directory	02:55
rm_you	MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver	02:56
rm_you	ideas?	02:56
rm_you	it worked like 15 minutes ago	02:56
rm_you	can someone check and see if your n800/n810 actually has a file in /var/lib/dbus ?	02:57
rm_you	mine definately doesn't	02:57
Blafasel	Neither has mine	02:59
Blafasel	(810)	02:59
rm_you	hrm	02:59
rm_you	maybe that isn't the problem then	02:59
Blafasel	Guess so ;) Sorry	02:59
rm_you	MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver	02:59
rm_you	i wonder why	02:59
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Blafasel	Sry, 2 am in the morning and I have to return this f...ing Nokia phone to a shop tomorrow.	03:00
rm_you	heh	03:00
rm_you	which model?	03:00
Blafasel	I'm out, leaving in a minute ;)	03:00
Blafasel	E51	03:00
flo_lap	good night	03:01
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Blafasel	Okay, I'm out for a nap. Good luck with mplayer	03:02
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rm_you	night	03:02
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rm_you	hrm well i guess that was the problem	03:04
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rm_you	i generated a machine-id with dbus-uuidgen and now it works	03:04
AStorm	hehe	03:05
rm_you	but that's wierd... because i dont think it's EVER had one... it just started requiring it in the last 15 minutes!?	03:05
rm_you	maybe some things it's best not to question	03:05
rm_you	WTF and now mplayer is laggy as @&*#^@!	03:06
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rm_you	something definately happened	03:07
rm_you	wtf	03:07
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rm_you	what could possibly have happened in the last hour that makes mplayer lag to all hell on videos that used to play just fine	03:10
AStorm	hmm, browser is talking abt. missing storage dir	03:11
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rm_you	gonna try rebooting it again	03:11
rm_you	with a battery out in the middle	03:12
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AStorm	oh, I see, ext card didn't mound	03:13
rm_you	hrm, rebooting three times and taking the battery out seems to have solved it?!	03:13
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rm_you	hrm	03:18
rm_you	so now it works as long as i don't run it from the console?!	03:18
rm_you	i've returned the mplayer setup to DEFAULT	03:18
rm_you	why is this worse than it was before!?	03:18
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beford	failure	03:20
koyote	no poker games, I can find. and the sudoku won't install	03:21
koyote	for os2008	03:21
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Navi	koyote, the one in the repos doesn't work?	03:40
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koyote	the one what?	03:42
koyote	sudoku? nope	03:42
koyote	fails to install	03:42
Navi	worked for me	03:43
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Evaprototype	I have a question about a keyboard on the n800 i read that you can hook a keyboard up to it through the usb with out a powered hub is that true.	03:57
rm_you	depends on the keyboard	03:57
rm_you	and may require kernel hacks	03:57
rm_you	brb	03:57
Evaprototype	cool	03:57
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benh	hrm	04:14
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Manix	hallo	04:15
Evaprototype	hi	04:15
benh	somebody has any experience with the iGo bluetooth keyboard ?	04:15
benh	I can't seem to manage to pair mine	04:15
Evaprototype	sorry i am new to the maemo distro and nokia products	04:16
benh	ah found	04:16
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Evaprototype	has anyone had bad experiences running remote x programs on the n800 or such. I found that the keyboard will not popup for text entry	04:17
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Navi	It won't :P	04:29
Navi	It wasn't designed to	04:29
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Evaprototype	nice answer. nice and clean	04:34
Evaprototype	thanks	04:34
Evaprototype	however it is still useful how it is	04:34
Evaprototype	it is kind of nice running firefox on my server and viewing it on the n800	04:35
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rm_you	i use vncviewer for that	04:35
Evaprototype	i will have to try that. however i like the program centric view when running it over x.	04:38
Evaprototype	i had a funny problem with my n800 recently. I went on a trip for a few weeks and then had lots of school and had not logged in as root on my nokia for a few months but then i wanted to fool around a little and had forgot the root password.	04:41
rm_you	lol	04:44
Evaprototype	and because i set the password in a hurry before the trip i didnt know that the password was.	04:44
Evaprototype	how would you deal with that	04:44
rm_you	hrm	04:44
rm_you	did you ever set up gainroot?	04:44
rm_you	install the gainroot package in redpill mode in the application manager	04:45
rm_you	IE, download the deb and double click it / just run it	04:45
Evaprototype	it doesnt show up	04:45
rm_you	then you can do "sudo gainroot" in a terminal and change the password manually	04:45
rm_you	err	04:45
Evaprototype	oh yes i had that but it wont work over the top	04:45
rm_you	sorry, i think the package you want is "becomeroot"	04:45
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Evaprototype	it asks for the root password	04:46
rm_you	erm	04:46
rm_you	it shouldn't	04:46
rm_you	once you install becomeroot	04:46
rm_you	it should just let you right in	04:46
Evaprototype	well sorry for the help i did fix it by having my computer crack the password	04:46
Evaprototype	i was just mainly asking for an opinion	04:47
Evaprototype	it took weeks to crack it	04:47
rm_you	lol	04:47
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Evaprototype	luckly i set a easy password for the cracker	04:47
rm_you	well, installing becomeroot REALLY should fix the problem	04:48
Evaprototype	well i believe i did that or tried that. owell	04:48
Evaprototype	i will try it	04:48
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Evaprototype	rm_you: thanks	05:00
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GeneralAntilles	rm_you, have you divined any magical Hildon Methods for Great Success yet?	05:06
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rm_you	not yet :/	05:09
rm_you	build box is still in a shipping crate somewhere in the midwest of USA	05:09
GeneralAntilles	Why are you so lazy? :P	05:09
rm_you	lol	05:10
GeneralAntilles	That's no excuse!	05:10
rm_you	i've been working on what i can while all i have is my tablet	05:10
rm_you	wanna set me up a buildbox? :P	05:10
rm_you	i'll use it :P	05:10
GeneralAntilles	No x86 machines handy. . . .	05:10
rm_you	>_>	05:10
rm_you	that's what you get for being a Mac freak, lol	05:10
GeneralAntilles	Meh, I'm probably better off. ;)	05:10
* rm_you glares askance at GeneralAntilles		05:11
rm_you	pffft	05:11
GeneralAntilles	This way I have an excuse for dumping everything on other people.	05:11
GeneralAntilles	Like you.	05:11
rm_you	lol	05:11
rm_you	I dislike Windows a whole hell of a lot, but I dislike Mac possibly more	05:11
GeneralAntilles	I can't imagine why	05:11
rm_you	not because of the software, but because I think Steve Jobs gets his rocks off by making his customers go through shit	05:11
beford	I haven't touched a mac in my whole life	05:11
GeneralAntilles	It'll be at least mildly familiar to most Linux users.	05:11
rm_you	I just really hate Steve Jobs	05:12
GeneralAntilles	If anything, Steve has made things better for me.	05:12
GeneralAntilles	Well, minus the Newton.	05:12
rm_you	it seems like he takes every opportunity to see how much shit his customers will put up with	05:12
GeneralAntilles	lol	05:12
rm_you	you have to buy insert official Apple accessory here to do almost anything	05:13
GeneralAntilles	Maybe for the mobile stuff	05:13
GeneralAntilles	but the mobile stuff is shit	05:13
rm_you	hell, they managed to make it so non-apple headphones won't plug in to what SHOULD be a standard 3.5mm jack >_<	05:13
GeneralAntilles	Looking at my G5, only one "accessory" is Apple	05:13
GeneralAntilles	and that's my old 20" ASD	05:13
rm_you	They're like "Oh, I suppose we could make it so people could plug any old pair of headphones into this iPhone... Oh! WAIT! If we just inset the plug a tiny bit, it will make people have to buy our crappy headphones instead! Win? Win!"	05:14
GeneralAntilles	Meh, like I said, the mobile stuff sucks.	05:15
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rm_you	You can't sit for a week after buying an apple product because you're sore from having Steve Jobs' &@$@ so far up your ass...	05:16
Navi	hah	05:16
rm_you	I'll stop ranting now, with the final comment: Apple can shove its proprietary cabling up its @&$.	05:16
rm_you	Now, back to having fun on my linux device :P	05:17
Navi	I got my friend to love Macs and I'm having a hard time getting him to stop loving iPods	05:17
rm_you	<_<	05:18
rm_you	Navi: Mac owner?	05:18
Navi	No :P	05:18
rm_you	lol	05:18
rm_you	was going to ask if you sat on a donut pillow :P	05:18
Navi	I told him to get a Mac 'cuz he sucks at choosing porn sources	05:18
rm_you	LOL	05:19
Navi	Gets a virus every other week	05:19
rm_you	get linux for that :P	05:19
rm_you	apt-get install pornview	05:19
rm_you	:P	05:19
beford	porn-get	05:19
Navi	:/	05:19
* rm_you notes that pornview is actually a damn good image thumbnail viewer		05:19
rm_you	I use it for reading comics :P	05:19
rm_you	it just has a hilariously awesome name	05:19
Navi	lol	05:20
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mysc	what are the devices on an n800? is mmc1 (internal or external) and what is /dev/mmcblk0	05:24
GeneralAntilles	mmc1 is external	05:24
GeneralAntilles	mmcblk0 is internal	05:25
GeneralAntilles	The mmc1/2 thing is a throwback to the 770.	05:25
mysc	okay, so /dev/mmcblk0=internal /dev/mmcblk1=external?	05:25
GeneralAntilles	Right	05:26
mysc	how will they look if i load the nit as a usb device on my linux box?	05:26
mysc	/dev/sda1/...	05:26
GeneralAntilles	Haven't a clue	05:27
GeneralAntilles	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 Mmm . . . that alone makes Diablo's Xterm much more pleasant.	05:27
mysc	ok. do you know if fanoush's initfs works on 51-3? his website only lists up to 50-2	05:28
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GeneralAntilles	51-3 and 50-2 are the same except for NOLO	05:28
GeneralAntilles	So, yes.	05:28
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mysc	OK. can i use nokia's flasher-3.0 to flash his image like i did for the os2008 .bin?	05:28
GeneralAntilles	You could	05:29
GeneralAntilles	But the way it's done is usually on the device.	05:29
GeneralAntilles	run the initfs_flash tool	05:29
GeneralAntilles	it generates an initfs based on your choosen option	05:30
GeneralAntilles	and flashes it from the device.	05:30
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mysc	ok. now. i have a 2gb internal and a 4gb external. my idea is to clone the os to the internal and to put debian on the ext. should i just make 2gb and 4gb ext2(ext3) partitions? or do i need to make any swap space, any random vfat parts?	05:31
GeneralAntilles	I'd add a vfat, makes life easier.	05:31
mysc	how so?	05:31
GeneralAntilles	Swap in OS2008	05:32
GeneralAntilles	other reasons	05:32
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GeneralAntilles	I'd do 512MB OS2008 + 1GB Debian + rest FAT on Internal	05:32
GeneralAntilles	and just leave the External for mass storage	05:32
mysc	hrmmm, interesting. i wouldn't have thought that would be enough. i have no idea as os08 is compressed now	05:33
mysc	my current system (barebones) reports 151 out of 256mb used	05:34
GeneralAntilles	~45MB of Documents and crap.	05:34
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Navi	whee	05:35
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beford	I read somewhere that flashing a nit on windows was more stable than doing it on linux, how accurate is that? (i timed out, dunno if somebody answered me)	05:48
Navi	I've never had a problem.	05:48
Navi	6 problem-free flashes	05:49
GeneralAntilles	beford, I'm going to hazard a guess and say there's no difference.	05:50
GeneralAntilles	Maybe "EASIER" but definitely not more stable.	05:50
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rm_you	sup johnx	05:50
johnx	hey	05:51
Navi	Already awake?	05:51
rm_you	johnx: so apparently I made mplayer worse on my system somehow	05:51
johnx	rm_you, congratulations!	05:51
beford	I see, thanks.	05:51
Navi	oh, right.	05:51
johnx	Navi, yeah. Have already been up long enough to switch to my backup internet connection >_>	05:51
Navi	\o/	05:52
rm_you	johnx: don't know how... i was just working on launcher script for it, and then during testing it just started crashing... removed the script, still crashed... had to do some shit with dbus-uuidgen and now it lags to hell <_<	05:52
rm_you	johnx: the one you're paying for? >_>	05:52
rm_you	johnx: apartment internet sucking again?	05:52
johnx	the one that I might have forgotten to pay for -_-	05:52
Navi	hah	05:52
rm_you	lol	05:52
johnx	soooo, back to the free one \o/	05:53
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, should this: "About Adobe Flash Player 9..." contextual menu item treated as unrequested pop-up be in User interface or Plug-ins under Browser?	05:54
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GeneralAntilles	s/pop-up/pop-up"/	05:55
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Hrm, should this: "About Adobe Flash Player 9..." contextual menu item treated as unrequested pop-up" be in User interface or Plug-ins under Browser?	05:55
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beford	well, it opens a new window with location=adobe.com flash info	05:56
GeneralAntilles	unixSnob, no, just living with slow charging.	05:56
unixSnob	Even if it's being used simultaneously?	05:57
GeneralAntilles	I've got a 380mA car charger that works fine	05:58
GeneralAntilles	If it needs more power, it gets it from the battery	05:58
unixSnob	cool	05:58
GeneralAntilles	it does that with the bundled 890mA wallwart, too.	05:58
GeneralAntilles	But less power means significantly slower rapid charging.	05:59
GeneralAntilles	OK, everybody here sucks except for beford.	05:59
GeneralAntilles	:P	05:59
GeneralAntilles	I'm sticking it in Plug-ins	05:59
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mysc	GA which ttype code for the fat? i'll use 82 for ext2 but not sure on the vfat	06:01
* GeneralAntilles fails at Linux filesystems.		06:01
mysc	hrmm	06:02
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GeneralAntilles	he first one is VFAT (that's what number 6 means)	06:03
GeneralAntilles	6?	06:03
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/	06:03
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mysc	6 is fat16, that might work	06:04
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beford	uhm netsplit problems.	06:17
johnx	it appears so	06:17
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mysc	hrmm, linux won't partition the sd card when n800 is plugged in via usb	06:56
mysc	i was using the internal slot, is there a protection in place from allowing partitioning over usb?	06:57
beford	maybe if you enabled the virtual memory, os2008 is using a file on the current partition as swap	06:58
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beford	does nokia 770 support os2008?	07:02
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-a5ee6b3cdb0011dc8afbe1ed42d754965496	07:02
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ravious	Does anyone know how i might go about setting mplayer as my default video player vs the one preinstalled? I've tried to search but i've not been able to find anything about it. Anyone have any advice?	07:09
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194	07:09
ravious	ty :)	07:10
beford	thanks GeneralAntilles.	07:10
mysc	well, can't partition from linux. neither int or ext works	07:14
mysc	i guess i will have to use sfdisk from the nit	07:16
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soman	Hi.... what s the copy right license for Nokia_N810.avi	07:17
GeneralAntilles	Probably "Copyright Nokia, Inc."	07:17
GeneralAntilles	Why?	07:17
soman	is that under creative commons share-alike attribution license	07:17
GeneralAntilles	Highly unlikely	07:17
soman	ok	07:17
soman	that video cant be used for commercial purpose right	07:18
soman	???	07:18
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GeneralAntilles	Not unless you get permission from Nokia. . . .	07:18
soman	ok...	07:18
soman	where from i can get free videos that i can use for my commercial purpose	07:19
GeneralAntilles	What do you need videos for?	07:20
ds3	paid and by a license	07:20
ds3	pay	07:20
ds3	or produce your own	07:21
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ravious	Im trying to flash my 770 with the latest HE2007. But the linux flash utility comes back with Version of 'sw-release': <no version> then ends..	08:12
GeneralAntilles	What command are you using?	08:13
ravious	./flasher2 SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R	08:14
GeneralAntilles	Missing something? :P	08:14
GeneralAntilles	./flasher2 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R	08:14
mysc	i installed fanoush's initfs but only partition 2 on the int card is viewable, part 3 is not there (that's for the debian)	08:14
ravious	ah	08:15
ravious	ty again ;)	08:15
GeneralAntilles	mysc, the bootmenu isn't auto-generated.	08:15
GeneralAntilles	ravious, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2669	08:15
GeneralAntilles	Vote on that bug.	08:15
mysc	GA, the wiki said "./initfs_flash...just follow instructions"	08:16
mysc	where do i edit the bootmenu?	08:16
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GeneralAntilles	Check the readme for details, but it's the bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example	08:16
GeneralAntilles	edit it to your liking, rename it to bootmenu.conf, re-run the initfs_flash	08:16
mysc	aha...thanks.	08:17
rm_you	johnx: so, yeah... only annoyance so far is that i THOUGHT this came with shell access, but apparently not?	08:17
rm_you	i really should double check, i may just be doing it wrong	08:18
beford	how long does it takes to flash a tablet?	08:18
beford	s/takes/take/	08:18
infobot	beford meant: how long does it take to flash a tablet?	08:18
GeneralAntilles	30 second or so	08:18
GeneralAntilles	more on USB 1.1	08:18
GeneralAntilles	More on a 770 than an N8x0	08:19
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beford	that's pretty fast	08:19
GeneralAntilles	It goes at something like 4MB/sec	08:20
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mysc	perfect, now to get debian on it...	08:26
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n800n	anyone have any good pdf to read?	08:37
n800n	asimov or clark or...	08:37
n800n	need kill time on n800/plane	08:37
GAN800	pdf ebooks are gross. :P	08:37
n800n	txt too	08:38
n800n	rtf	08:38
n800n	pdb	08:38
oilinki	n800n: why not to download podcast and listen something?	08:38
ravious	Project Gutenberg is your friend ;)	08:38
qwerty12	KotCzarny, W00t, Got your bootmenu coloured mod done to the old diablo initfs :). Looks great.	08:38
n800n	whatever had the least cooties	08:38
n800n	hmm	08:38
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ravious	ew netsplit	08:39
GAN800	Baen has a lot of free stuff on their website.	08:39
n800n	ty, checking	08:39
GAN800	Go download a couple episodes of South Park or something, too.	08:39
n800n	i'll fall asleep	08:40
n800n	txt will take less power too	08:40
ravious	you mean, backup a couple episodes from the dvd that you purchased ;)	08:40
n800n	except for audio i guess	08:40
oilinki	I love the podcasts. I spend couple of weeks backpacking in cambodia and eastern-thailand.. podcasts are real friends on the 10 hour bus journeys :)	08:41
qwerty12	w00t, my RS premium's limit has gone down :)	08:41
n800n	i'm in honduras going back home	08:41
n800n	to chicago	08:41
n800n	and... i love my tablet	08:41
GAN800	This American Life has a fantatsic podcast	08:42
n800n	i like reading better tho	08:42
oilinki	n800n: isla utila is a great place to relax and do some diving :)	08:42
oilinki	friday science podcast and the naked scientists are my favorites	08:42
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oilinki	but hey. which os is recommended for 770? 2006,2007 or 2008?	08:43
GeneralAntilles	Depends	08:44
GeneralAntilles	There's no definitive answer	08:44
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GeneralAntilles	My recommendation is to try all three and see which works best for you.	08:44
qwerty12	770. Life's mystery.	08:44
GeneralAntilles	Personally, I use OS2008HE on both of mine and am very happy with it.	08:44
GeneralAntilles	Morning, konttori.	08:44
konttori	morning	08:44
* konttori goes to work		08:44
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oilinki	I had some problems with OS2008HE. for example I could not change the date preferences or set and alarm due lack of memory.	08:46
GeneralAntilles	Did you enable virtual memory?	08:46
oilinki	but I could try to reflash it again and see wether if it works	08:46
oilinki	yes. I did enable it after the first problems. still it did not work	08:46
GeneralAntilles	Virtual memory is an absolute necessity with OS2008HE	08:47
oilinki	I put just 24MB, might need some more. my memory card was only 64.	08:49
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, that's definitely not enough. . . .	08:50
n800n	ew.	08:50
GeneralAntilles	n800n, http://e2ma.net/go/948937814/838558/30376562/goto:http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/tor.com/ScalziOMWMobi/Scalzi,%20John%20-%20Old%20Mans%20War.prc	08:50
GeneralAntilles	Tor freebie	08:50
GeneralAntilles	Old Man's War	08:50
qwerty12	Go to #bookz for the godfather	08:51
GeneralAntilles	oilinki, 64MB RAM + 64MB virtual memory is only 128MB, which is the same amount of RAM the N8x0 has.	08:51
GeneralAntilles	So 24MB definitely doesn't cut it.	08:51
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oilinki	GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks for the info. I'll try to find and bigger memorycard and put some more virtual memory. do you have recommendation how much or is it just as much as possible?	08:52
GeneralAntilles	As much as possible.	08:52
n800n	ty	08:52
GeneralAntilles	It may also be worthwhile to increase the swapiness a touch.	08:52
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ravious	Whats the max on the he07 on a 770 now?	08:53
ravious	2gb?	08:53
GeneralAntilles	2GB since 2006.	08:53
ravious	::nods::	08:53
GeneralAntilles	They patched it around the fall.	08:53
n800n	fbreader opens prc yes?	08:54
qwerty12	un drm yes	08:54
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n800n	thanks i think i have to board	08:56
n800n	laters	08:56
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RST38h	qwerty	08:56
RST38h	GA	08:57
RST38h	good morning gentlemen	08:57
qwerty12	Morning RST38h :)	08:57
GeneralAntilles	Howdy, RST38h.	08:57
ravious	any good sip clients that anyone knows about other than giz/skp?	08:57
GeneralAntilles	The built-in one.	08:57
ravious	gtalk?	08:57
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qwerty12	Woah. A big split :/	08:58
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GeneralAntilles	rtcomm, ravious.	09:00
GeneralAntilles	gtalk, sip, jabber	09:00
Navi	:\|	09:04
RST38h	Nave: You wanted overlapping fire buttons?	09:06
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Proteous	OVERLAPPING FIRE BUTTONS FOR EXTRA POWAAAA	09:10
GeneralAntilles	Ha, Navi's a Nave!	09:10
Proteous	nom nom nom nom	09:10
* qwerty12 sighs. initfs script is the same in the new initfs		09:10
qwerty12	he can be anything and we still wont care :p	09:11
GeneralAntilles	Stupid Navi	09:11
GeneralAntilles	Relevancy is for people who don't suck.	09:11
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qwerty12	disq, you around?	09:13
roope	akimbo tanks	09:16
qwerty12	I still remember someone from .cz selling a tank on ebay.	09:16
czr	it wasn't me	09:16
qwerty12	You kept yours?	09:17
czr	indeed	09:17
roope	http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE amazon still sells. The customer reviews are hilarious.	09:17
qwerty12	czr, Mind if I borrow the keys sometime?	09:17
czr	qwerty12, yes I do :-)	09:17
qwerty12	czr :(	09:17
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mysc	well, i installed debian beta3...a few issues a) that top left icon is scary "rotate screen" does some funky stuff	09:23
qwerty12	Install rotation kernel.	09:23
qwerty12	if its an issue for you :/	09:23
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mysc	b) how do i start up wireless? do i need to set up wpa_supplicant?	09:23
qwerty12	Check the wiki page, its all on there.	09:23
qwerty12	Your 2nd question for sure.	09:24
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mysc	ok, will do. also, the buttons don't work. when the rotate thing went whack on me i had to remove the battery to reboot	09:24
mysc	on/off switch is just for show :)	09:25
qwerty12	Hehe, I'm always removing my battery :)	09:25
qwerty12	More since I disabled lifeguard :/	09:25
Navi	RST38h, oh right, yeah.	09:26
RST38h	This "reseller" offers a wide selection of products: http://www.amazon.com/s/103-1897636-1001400?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=misc&field-keywords=NAO%20Design	09:26
RST38h	(not just tank)	09:26
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mysc	heh. okay, it's still beta :)	09:29
qwerty12	stupid qwerty. He put utelnetd in bin rather than sbin.	09:29
mysc	do the mojo folks have a similar tarball for their ubuntu project?	09:29
Navi	Ugh	09:29
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Navi	I hate that qwerty12 guy	09:29
disq	qwerty12: yep	09:29
qwerty12	qwerty12 seems to hate this next Navi guy too	09:29
Navi	Hmm	09:29
qwerty12	disq, I have latest initfs ripped if you want to try it.	09:29
Navi	Screw him	09:30
disq	qwerty12: sure	09:30
disq	i'd like to in fact	09:30
qwerty12	Your DCC works? :/	09:30
disq	ah, same question :)	09:30
qwerty12	Mine seems to :)	09:30
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KotCzarny	yawn	09:34
beford	phpBB or SMF?	09:34
KotCzarny	morning	09:34
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qwerty12	IPB or vBulletin	09:35
qwerty12	mornin	09:35
beford	i haz no money	09:36
beford	:P	09:36
KotCzarny	goto work;	09:36
qwerty12	Hehe, I don't run a forum but I'd say phpBB. Looks less cheap and it can look good with extensions.	09:36
trickie_	http://fudforum.org/	09:37
trickie_	if you want a php one	09:37
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trickie_	uise that	09:37
trickie_	written by one of the core php devs, and has some clue about security	09:37
trickie_	phpBB is a maintenance nightmare	09:37
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qwerty12	Shoot down this crap kubrick server	09:38
Navi	It shows the name of the node you're connected to when it splits :P	09:39
qwerty12	vaht!	09:39
mysc	hah, i edited my /etc/network/interfaces and it hung before xfce started!@#$	09:39
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qwerty12	Boot into flash and plug in the usb cable :)	09:40
mysc	okay there goes...seems like it hangs on the dhcp stuff...	09:40
mysc	why would i plug in the usb cable?	09:40
qwerty12	Because then you can edit the interfaces off a linux comp	09:40
qwerty12	Ubuntu auto mounts my debian partition	09:40
mysc	so does slack. okay i guess i need to fiddle a lot with my wpa_supplicant. i have a hidden ssid which means i need to use AP_SCAN=2 and stuff...	09:41
mysc	this didn't do the trick :( no wifi	09:41
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Navi	Is it possible to use the claws-mail plugins with the maemo port?	09:45
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qwerty12	You may be able to, as long as they don't need arm recompilation. Not sure though.	09:46
Navi	Well, I knew that :P	09:46
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* qwerty12 is now running latest diablo initfs with bootmenu. Another 2 hours work :(		09:51
KotCzarny	:)	09:52
qwerty12	At least linuxrc script is same so I don't have to compare all over again :)	09:52
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qwerty12	That's probably the bit I hate most :/	09:52
KotCzarny	don't forget to make a backup	09:52
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KotCzarny	and learn how to use diff/patch	09:52
KotCzarny	;)	09:52
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qwerty12	I should do :/ but I have a lot of things I want to learn anyway.	09:53
rlinfati	qwerty12: diablo? where is for download?	09:53
KotCzarny	for a start diff -U3 oldfile newfile >differences	09:53
KotCzarny	that should save you comparing by hand	09:53
qwerty12	Cool :)	09:53
qwerty12	rlinfati, leaked beta.	09:53
qwerty12	find the password :/	09:53
qwerty12	Because I am vain, I have to edit the /etc/initfs_version again	09:54
GeneralAntilles	What's new and exciting with the Diablo initfs and kernel, anyway?	09:54
qwerty12	Kernel enables ipv6 from what I know and the initfs has ipv6 modules and some wimax stuff in it	09:54
qwerty12	apart from that :/	09:54
qwerty12	not much	09:54
GeneralAntilles	Ah, right, WiMAX	09:54
KotCzarny	qwerty: you can probably copy ipv6 modules	09:55
KotCzarny	:)	09:55
qwerty12	But I run it for completeness and now that I spent the time adding in bootmenu by hand, I have no reason to use a chinook initfs	09:55
qwerty12	KotCzarny, I posted them up on ITT :)	09:55
KotCzarny	:)	09:55
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KotCzarny	qwerty, can you install wireless-tools and check if iwconfig works?	09:56
KotCzarny	(with diablo kernel)	09:56
qwerty12	I'm not sure if I am using diablo kernel and I've only got 5 mins left :/	09:56
KotCzarny	because i saw libiw in initfs and was wondering if they added support for it	09:56
KotCzarny	then check after school	09:56
KotCzarny	:)	09:56
qwerty12	Ok, will do :)	09:57
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qwerty12	There is /lib/libiw.so.29 in diablo rootfs	09:58
KotCzarny	i know	09:58
KotCzarny	but no iwconfig	09:58
KotCzarny	so you have to install it yourself	09:58
qwerty12	Maybe an wimax tool somewhere uses it :/	09:58
KotCzarny	i just wonder if diablo kernel has support for it	09:58
KotCzarny	hum	09:58
KotCzarny	maybe	09:58
qwerty12	I assume I would compile .29?	09:58
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KotCzarny	any will do, i guess	09:59
qwerty12	fair enough	09:59
rm_you	how did they choose the name Diablo, I wonder	09:59
KotCzarny	from my quick check nothing depends on it in initfs	09:59
rm_you	i mean... marketing-wise, tieing your product in with the lord of darkness?	09:59
rm_you	doesn't seem like a smart move	09:59
KotCzarny	rm_you, the next name is even worse	09:59
rm_you	lol	09:59
qwerty12	It's cute	09:59
qwerty12	Joke :p	09:59
GeneralAntilles	rm_you, it's all winds.	10:00
KotCzarny	elephanta	10:00
rm_you	lol?	10:00
KotCzarny	:)	10:00
KotCzarny	and diablo+2 fremantle	10:00
rm_you	wait, what?	10:00
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rm_you	elephant and fremantle?	10:00
Navi	We all know everyone at Nokia is evil	10:00
Navi	there's no need to dance around it	10:00
* GeneralAntilles slaps rm_you with a clue.		10:00
rm_you	<_<	10:01
rm_you	i've been... busy? :P	10:01
rm_you	though I did work a lot on a2dp stuff today	10:01
rm_you	... and manage to make mplayer work WORSE	10:01
rm_you	damnit	10:01
KotCzarny	now that's an achievement	10:01
KotCzarny	;)	10:01
KotCzarny	though usually it's enough to use -vo x11	10:01
rm_you	lol	10:01
GeneralAntilles	Marketing wise it's "OS2008 Service Update" or something.	10:01
czr	he used the ascii output with gtk-term	10:01
KotCzarny	ascii output could be fast	10:02
KotCzarny	:)	10:02
czr	KotCzarny, not with a buggy and slow term :-)	10:02
KotCzarny	:)	10:02
KotCzarny	fullscreen and with a 4px font?	10:02
KotCzarny	;)	10:02
rm_you	OH	10:02
czr	KotCzarny, obviously :-)	10:02
rm_you	maybe it's maemo-hackers xterm that made it do that	10:02
KotCzarny	ascii-quake ftw!	10:02
rm_you	it used to work fine when i played videos in mplayer from xterm...	10:03
KotCzarny	(over telnet)	10:03
KotCzarny	:)	10:03
rm_you	now it is laggy as shit from xterm, but works from the GUI	10:03
rm_you	only thing i can think of that changed is that i installed maemo-hackers xterm	10:03
* czr prefers laggy shit to too quick shit		10:03
czr	but hey, that's just me..	10:03
rm_you	lol	10:03
KotCzarny	hrm	10:04
KotCzarny	depends on consistency	10:04
KotCzarny	;)	10:04
czr	KotCzarny, that too.	10:04
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czr	but maybe it's time I went to town to get some stuff for the trip (like currency)	10:04
* rm_you is still jealous of people going to linuxtag		10:04
czr	hmm. I'm not going there. unless this year they have it in Tokyo	10:06
czr	that'd be surprising.	10:06
rm_you	lol	10:06
rm_you	ah, you're heading over that way, eh?	10:06
GeneralAntilles	I'm ready for pupnik to dump us hot HD feeds with his new camera. :P	10:06
rm_you	special occasion? :P	10:06
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: lol	10:07
GeneralAntilles	Need to set up a live stream.	10:07
rm_you	that would rock so hard :P	10:07
czr	rm_you, yes. holiholiholiday	10:07
czr	GeneralAntilles, linuxtag has harley davidson as sponsor this year?	10:08
rm_you	czr: cool. I had a holiday in Yokohama last august :P	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Might be workable with ustream or something if the facilities have enough bandwidth.	10:08
rm_you	Japan is fun. go there much?	10:08
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czr	rm_you, I've never been to .jp. meant to for ages, mut never really materialized	10:08
GeneralAntilles	high def, czr	10:08
czr	GeneralAntilles, :-)	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Joke fail. :P	10:08
czr	anyhow, lateroo ->	10:08
rm_you	czr: the bakeries are AMAZING! go to the bakeries!	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Bye	10:08
czr	GeneralAntilles, indeed :-)	10:08
czr	I will rm_you	10:09
rm_you	czr: also, check out Yodobashi Camera :P	10:09
czr	and then will found out that they suck :-)	10:09
rm_you	not that you'd want to buy much there, as it's mostly ridiculously overpriced	10:09
rm_you	but still	10:09
rm_you	pfft	10:09
rm_you	Japanese bakeries are amazing	10:09
mysc	mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed <-- any ideas?	10:09
czr	yeah, I'm just going to hang around and see what life provides me with..	10:09
czr	->	10:09
mysc	ima trying to clone my os	10:09
rm_you	though I only have US bakeries to compare to	10:09
czr	us bakeries on average suck :-)	10:09
rm_you	yeah :(	10:09
rm_you	and go to Akihabara a lot :P	10:10
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rm_you	there's an alleyway right outside the main station in Akihabara that is basically just electronic component vendors	10:10
rm_you	it's pretty awesome	10:10
* rm_you wants to go back to Japan		10:11
rm_you	also, don't wait around... buy a Suica or PASMO train pass as soon as you get there... there really isn't a reason not to >_> can use it to pay on pretty much any train or bus, and it makes things much easier, as you don't have to count out money, you just swipe the RFID card	10:12
rm_you	also, many convenience stores accept it too :P	10:13
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KotCzarny	mysc: check dmesg	10:13
mysc	KC, yes, i needed to load a kernel module for ext2/3 reading :\|	10:14
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KotCzarny	:)	10:14
mysc	steep learning curve, but fun :)	10:14
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KotCzarny	well	10:14
KotCzarny	it's just linux	10:14
mysc	yeah, that part is ok, the part which i am figuring out are the device names and stuff...	10:15
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EruditeHermit	hey GeneralAntilles are you around?	10:15
GeneralAntilles	Mmm?	10:15
EruditeHermit	do you have an n800 with diablo running on it?	10:15
GeneralAntilles	Yessir	10:15
EruditeHermit	does your camera flip work?	10:16
GeneralAntilles	Good question	10:16
EruditeHermit	does opening camera start internet talk application?	10:16
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GeneralAntilles	Yes and yes	10:16
EruditeHermit	uh oh	10:16
EruditeHermit	mine doesn't work	10:16
EruditeHermit	is there an application that handles this?	10:17
EruditeHermit	or did I break my camera?	10:17
GeneralAntilles	I dunno	10:17
GeneralAntilles	It still gives you an image, right?	10:17
EruditeHermit	yes	10:17
GeneralAntilles	You can turn off the pop-up activation	10:17
EruditeHermit	yes but I want it on	10:17
GeneralAntilles	Dunno about flip, though.	10:17
EruditeHermit	and it is set to on in preferences	10:17
EruditeHermit	both used to work	10:17
GeneralAntilles	Reboot?	10:18
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EruditeHermit	hmm	10:19
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yvan	[trying smthg]	10:20
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: that didn't do it	10:21
GeneralAntilles	Dunno	10:21
GeneralAntilles	It seems unlikely that its a hardware issue	10:21
GeneralAntilles	but I dunno	10:21
EruditeHermit	I dropped it a few days ago	10:22
EruditeHermit	and the camera popped out	10:22
EruditeHermit	but I did that once before	10:22
EruditeHermit	and it still worked	10:22
EruditeHermit	I wonder if I broke something	10:22
yvan	hello - I didnt use IRC for ages, so Im not sure what's the etiquette. I'd like to know if I can run a script on my N810 by clicking a link on a local html page?	10:23
beford	probably no, unless microb supports mozilla's chrome stuff	10:24
yvan	chrome stuff.. never heard about that	10:24
GeneralAntilles	yvan, the etiquette is: DATA (Don't Ask To Ask). ;)	10:25
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yvan	ok ^^	10:26
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beford	javascript running as chrome is like running with some privileges	10:27
EruditeHermit	GeneralAntilles: so you don't think there is any hardware that could have broken?	10:27
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GeneralAntilles	It _could_ have, but I haven't heard of it happening.	10:27
GeneralAntilles	Got another install on a card or something you could boot into and test?	10:28
yvan	yeah im sorry, I meant run a linux script.. launch an application for example	10:28
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mysc	thanks to you folks i have os08 on my sd, have debian "working" on the other partition. :)	10:31
GeneralAntilles	That'll be $19.95	10:31
Navi	woo	10:31
mysc	heh	10:31
GeneralAntilles	Thank you! Come again.	10:31
Navi	total ripoff	10:32
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anidel	morning!	10:37
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GeneralAntilles	Something like that.	10:37
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hrw	morning	10:38
hrw	I am evil	10:38
GeneralAntilles	We know. ;)	10:38
hrw	at least according to Polish users of nokia tablets	10:38
anidel	what happened ?	10:39
hrw	forum post: how to boot from sd card. my answer: read maemo wiki. his answer: you are bad and ugly because you send me to wiki instead of writing answer	10:39
hrw	idiots	10:39
GeneralAntilles	Ha	10:39
GeneralAntilles	hrw, now you know how itT works for me. ;)	10:40
anidel	:) he's right.. :p	10:40
trickie_	why have people not heard of search engines, they are fairly easy to use :)	10:41
GeneralAntilles	People are stupid	10:41
GeneralAntilles	and lazy	10:41
anidel	probably they don't even know what to search for in the first place	10:41
anidel	if People are stupid and I belong to 'People', does it mean I am stupid too ? :-p	10:42
GeneralAntilles	Do you know how to search?	10:42
trickie_	well if the forum post title is 'how to boot from sd card' then type that in google - see first result	10:42
anidel	GA: I do :)	10:43
GeneralAntilles	Then no. ;)	10:43
trickie_	well if you add a 'maemo how to boot from sd card'	10:43
anidel	GA: oh ok :P	10:43
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anidel	trickie: yes of course it would work like that.. but I've encountered many people that don't really know what are they looking for, or what is the problem, so they can't write down the problem in words...it's a general huge impossible to solve problem with stupid people	10:44
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anidel	guys going for a good coffee.. I'll be back soon (if you ever mind)	10:44
hrw	;)	10:45
hrw	brb	10:45
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anidel	back	11:09
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mysc	hrmmm, the vncviewer won't bring up the small kb since it channels mouse clocks to the remote...	11:11
mysc	ima unfamiliar with debian's boot process, is there an equivalent to an rc.local where i can put startup commands like iptable rulesets?	11:12
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kaatis	i think there is rc.local , it's just empty by default	11:17
trickie_	anidel: i understand, but if a newb is going to attemtp something like 'boot from sdcard', which is not a normal 'consumer action' then they need to be prepared to do some research and not expect people to waste their time explaining something that is explained elsewhere several times	11:18
mysc	kaatis, i don't see it.	11:18
trickie_	anidel: and also to be respectful to people who put in effort for the the things they use	11:19
GeneralAntilles	A lot of these people seem to come from the commercial world.	11:19
GeneralAntilles	and expect some sort of vendor support	11:20
mysc	does anyone know where i can plop a bash script that'll get executed on startup?	11:20
RST38h	GA: It just means that Nokia better create some forum under Maemo.org where certain community members can handle commercial support requests for money	11:21
GeneralAntilles	Ha	11:21
GeneralAntilles	That'd be interesting.	11:21
anidel	trickie: sure! I was just kiddingly generalizing about people stupid and lazy enough to not know how to search.. I was not defending them	11:21
X-Fade	RST38h: We are planning jobs.maemo.org too ;)	11:21
RST38h	GA: And keep a clear list of topics that are supported by outside people	11:21
GeneralAntilles	Funnier would be if they'd train their call centers to tell people how to "boot from SD" :P	11:21
Stskeeps	maemo bounties? :P	11:21
X-Fade	At least there has been talk about that..	11:21
trickie_	:)	11:21
RST38h	X-Fade: Yea, but jobs.* implies a prolonged relation	11:22
anidel	GA :D	11:22
RST38h	GA: "Not officially supported by Nokia. Hang up."	11:22
X-Fade	RST38h: Well, that depends on what the job is ;)	11:22
X-Fade	"1 day introduction class" :)	11:22
GeneralAntilles	Pfft, not even that RST38h.	11:22
GeneralAntilles	More like "wuuuuut?"	11:22
RST38h	X-Fade: btw, even after pasting id_rsa.pub into that garage form, the dput still doesn't work =(	11:23
GeneralAntilles	Extras hates RST38h.	11:23
RST38h	And I tried it with and without EOLNs	11:23
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X-Fade	RST38h: We are debugging it now. It seems your key is multilined.. Has \n in it because you have pasted a terminal sizes paste..	11:23
RST38h	GA: no, it is just that current web interface for maintaining profiles is someshat braindamaged =(	11:23
RST38h	X-Fade: I tried it with manually removed \ns	11:24
RST38h	Also, it is absolutely expected that the string will contain \n - just strip everythhing <' '	11:24
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X-Fade	RST38h: Yeah, that is what we do on the invitation page, but we probably forgot that index2 page :)	11:25
X-Fade	RST38h: I will ping you when that page is updated.	11:26
anidel	wuut I still need to update my key ...	11:26
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mysc	that debian openssl foulup really caused some havok	11:27
anidel	yeah	11:27
X-Fade	anidel: Well, you don't have to update it for us. But your own systems can be in danger ;)	11:27
anidel	I couldn't believe they made that patch	11:28
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GeneralAntilles	Has somebody been lynched for it yet?	11:28
Navi	Debian devs patch all sorts of crap	11:28
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mysc	the two lines are very similar, only one should have removed	11:28
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: The guy who did it, discussed it on the openssl lists..	11:28
anidel	X-Fade I use it only for Maemo Extras.. I use regular passwords (too lazy to set up them all)	11:28
X-Fade	anidel: Well good for you, in this case :)	11:28
mysc	the problem is that with diffie-helman and other key exhanges, the whole thing is fubar with a bad RNG	11:29
anidel	X-Fade: yup.. they funny thing is that after I've created the key for Maemo, I went on and created one for a machine in the lab I use often.. wanted to do that to skip entering the password... the funny part is that I generated it with a passphrase!!!	11:29
anidel	:D and they even more funny thing is that .. the passphrase is.. guess it.. the same as the old password :/	11:30
X-Fade	anidel: Doesn't matter for this bug.	11:30
mysc	so even if you don't use key auth, say, the communications link is sniffable because the encryption key was decipherable from the point of the exchange	11:30
anidel	X-Fade I know..	11:30
mysc	so, pretty much, if you used ssh on a debian system in the last few years or ssh'd to a debian box, the NSA knows what you did :)	11:31
anidel	mysc: with a bad RNG everything crypto related is fubar...	11:31
anidel	well...	11:31
RST38h	X-Fade: thanks =)	11:31
* RST38h urgently needs to update ines to 3.6.1 in Extras (and probably other emulators as well, as the synchro has now been fixed)		11:32
anidel	anyway, back to some interesting stuff.. would you guys be happy to have and use a MailReader plugin for Canola2 ?	11:32
anidel	RST38h; i did upgrade iNES 10 mins ago.. way faster now :)	11:32
RST38h	anidel: yes, but this had to be done from the local copy	11:32
RST38h	at my web site	11:32
anidel	RST38h: of course.. MailReader... Modest downloads, Canola2 shows	11:33
anidel	uhm	11:33
RST38h	it should be faster - now skipping 65% frames and doing usleep()	11:33
anidel	rst38h oh so he explained the fix ?	11:33
RST38h	I would really prefer if Canola2 did ALL the mail exchange	11:34
RST38h	anidel: Who "he"?	11:34
anidel	rst38h: iNes author.. cant remember the name	11:34
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anidel	rst38h: having canola2 handle everything would be too much (at least for me).. it'd be easier to have it scan the modest folders and just show the mails its own cool way	11:35
Navi	RST38h, that's a lot of frame skipping O_o	11:36
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kpanic	hi, I'm trying to cross-compile a program by ./configuring it with ./configure --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu --build=qemu-arm-cvs and by exporting SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 but when I do make I obtain in the process of building this message: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory	11:37
kpanic	I'm a little stuck	11:37
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anidel	talk to you later guys...	11:48
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AStorm	hello	11:54
AStorm	where is the HAL mount scriptß	11:56
AStorm	?	11:56
KotCzarny	mmc-mount ?	11:56
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disq	i think i want to restart work on kagu-gtk.	12:02
AStorm	KotCzarny: ok	12:04
AStorm	where is swap mounted?	12:04
RST38h	anidel: ines author is me.	12:04
disq	still don't like canola, it's fast and responsive but not i want in terms of functionality and development speed	12:04
mysc	hah, i just apt-upgraded the bootable debian rootfs, ima wondering what'll happen when i boot it :)	12:04
RST38h	Navi: 65% is just fine. You want notice anything, especially considering that N8x0 has a hardware limit of ~24fps on screen updates (or so I heard)	12:05
disq	or, development priorities rather	12:05
KotCzarny	astorm: probably /media/mmc2/.swapfile ?	12:05
KotCzarny	or something	12:05
AStorm	KotCzarny: not location, the script	12:06
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AStorm	need to mod it to use /	12:06
RST38h	s/want/won't/	12:06
infobot	RST38h meant: Navi: 65% is just fine. You won't notice anything, especially considering that N8x0 has a hardware limit of ~24fps on screen updates (or so I heard)	12:06
KotCzarny	:)	12:06
KotCzarny	grep swapon /usr/sbin/*	12:06
KotCzarny	;)	12:06
KotCzarny	should find a script ;)	12:06
AStorm	nope	12:07
mysc	Astorm, what OS are you in?	12:07
KotCzarny	do the same for bin and / too	12:07
AStorm	it finds that in all bb tools...	12:08
KotCzarny	because they all link to busybox	12:09
KotCzarny	which has swapon applet	12:09
KotCzarny	just look for scripts	12:09
AStorm	and still no script	12:09
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KotCzarny	interestingly, using sbox over nfs on faster machine is faster than local	12:10
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KotCzarny	magnia, local, 566mhz: 142s	12:10
KotCzarny	xx32, nfs, 600mhz: 136s	12:10
KotCzarny	x32, nfs, 1800mhz: 86s	12:10
KotCzarny	:)	12:10
AStorm	hmm, where is that script	12:11
KotCzarny	that's assuming 100mbit eth	12:11
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trickie_	AStorm: checkout ke-recv	12:13
trickie_	they just released the source	12:13
trickie_	that does swap creation/activation	12:13
AStorm	trickie_: it's an executable	12:13
AStorm	hmmmmm...	12:13
AStorm	they're mad, right?	12:13
trickie_	the source is now open	12:13
AStorm	they even can't do swap correctly?	12:13
AStorm	~lart Nokia	12:14
* infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u Nokia'		12:14
X-Fade	RST38h: Can you please try to upload your key again? It should work now :)	12:15
AStorm	ok, it uses some variables :P	12:16
AStorm	time to reboot	12:17
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X-Fade	jpetersen: Congratulations on the new job. Or am I having the wrong one ;)	12:19
Mikho	Hello. I	12:19
jpetersen	X-Fade: thanks :-)	12:20
Mikho	'm trying to create a deb package of the program created by esbox new project wizard, and	12:20
RST38h	X-Fade: I am away from home - will only be able to do it in ~8 hours =(	12:20
X-Fade	jpetersen: Are you going to blog about maemo more? And shall I add you to the planet? :)	12:20
Mikho	make deb fails with the error: found eof where expected first heading at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 156	12:21
X-Fade	RST38h: Do you want me to upload your packages for you?	12:21
Mikho	"dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is"	12:21
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Mikho	what is this?	12:21
RST38h	X-Fade: I have got a .deb but not the .changes file	12:21
X-Fade	RST38h: Hmm ok.	12:21
RST38h	No big deal though, it waited for a few days, it will wait for another 8 hours	12:22
X-Fade	RST38h: Let me know if you run into problems.	12:22
RST38h	Thanks! =)	12:22
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dneary	hello	12:25
inz	Mikho, sounds like your debian/changelog is empty	12:25
Mikho	indeed it is	12:25
AStorm	heh, this mmc change bug is simple	12:25
Mikho	ah, that explains it. Thanks :)	12:26
AStorm	has to be properly worked around	12:26
AStorm	or it makes mounting external mmc impossible	12:26
Mikho	I guess the changelog is needed for the program to figure out the build version number	12:26
AStorm	as nodes in /dev are correct	12:26
AStorm	the initfs has to recreate them, or move them around	12:27
AStorm	not just change mount point	12:27
inz	Mikho, and source package name	12:28
inz	Mikho, erm, actually the source package name comes from control, dunno what it'll do if they don't match	12:28
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GeneralAntilles	dneary, OK, I want mediawiki now. What do I need to do to help make that happen faster? :D	12:29
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Mikho	all right, got forward to the next problem	12:29
hrw	hi dneary	12:30
dneary	GeneralAntilles: We need a front page worthy of the name	12:30
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I think that is music to dneary's ears. ;)	12:30
dneary	hi hrw	12:30
dneary	GeneralAntilles: Do you want to propose a front page structure for the new mediawiki?	12:30
GeneralAntilles	Front page for the mediawiki? OK, I already started on that.	12:30
dneary	X-Fade: Indeed :)	12:30
dneary	GeneralAntilles: From the front page, we can copy content over	12:30
dneary	I think that simple is best	12:30
dneary	Categories only on the front page, with some description of what's behind, I don't want any more than about 10 links and 100 words on there	12:31
dneary	Maybe 200	12:31
GeneralAntilles	I like the basic idea of the SlackWare wiki	12:31
GeneralAntilles	^front page	12:32
dneary	Some categories that come to mind: "Hints & tips", "Development", "Community"	12:32
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hrw	dneary: what means community?	12:32
dneary	And one small link somewhere in the wiki to the "Attic", which will hold all of the old material which has been gathering dust, and which some enthusiastic young whippersnapper might one day take the time to clean up	12:33
GeneralAntilles	Also, namespaces, are we following this page? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Beta/Introduction	12:33
GeneralAntilles	I'm not in love with the whole Section/Article thing.	12:33
GeneralAntilles	Seems like that'd be something that would be better accomplished with Categories.	12:33
jitu3485	can anyone help me knowing how maps are beingdisplayed in maemo-mapper	12:33
jitu3485	and also how panning , zooming is done	12:33
dneary	hrw: I was thinking that all content related to community processes, all the "meta" informat-ion which is about maemo and maemo's relationship to Nokia, rather than about the software, would go there	12:33
hrw	GeneralAntilles: that was just idea from OZ wiki	12:33
dneary	That, and marketing material, stuff like that	12:34
hrw	ok	12:34
dneary	http://live.gnome.org/ is a nice example too, I think	12:34
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Mikho	looks like the esbox wizard is not updated to the latest library names	12:35
Mikho	when was hildon-widgets combined/changed into hildon-1?	12:35
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X-Fade	Mikho: I think that was for chinook.	12:36
Mikho	I hope there was a good reason for that	12:38
Mikho	is hildon-lib-dev the same as libhildon1-dev?	12:39
X-Fade	Check the port to chinook documentation.	12:40
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Mikho	oh, there was a porting guide? thanks for the tip	12:41
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Mikho	gahh, the tutorial in maemo site just talks about some monkey game	12:45
kulve	there's several tutorials	12:46
X-Fade	Mikho: Here is a bit more info: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html	12:46
kulve	bora to chinook and gtk to hildon, etc	12:46
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Mikho	X-Fade, thanks. That link contains relevant info	12:47
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Cptnodegard	yei one exam down!	12:52
Cptnodegard	now to format that partition of the brain	12:52
Cptnodegard	its slowing down the whole system	12:52
AStorm	Cptnodegard: don't format the wrong one	12:52
Mikho	yay, successfully created a deb out of the hellow world program	12:53
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Cptnodegard	i got so much useless crap in my head right now i feel like vista :/	12:53
AStorm	what kind of?	12:54
Cptnodegard	what kind of crap? what kind of vista?	12:54
red-zack	"ultimate"	12:54
red-zack	xD	12:54
Cptnodegard	ultimate crap	12:54
AStorm	Cptnodegard: of crap :P	12:54
Cptnodegard	organizational theory	12:54
AStorm	indeed, worthless	12:55
Cptnodegard	imagine a beginners guide to PHP where instead of explaining how to use the strings, they write bio's on who first used them :p	12:55
Cptnodegard	if they cut the crap the book would be 1/10 the size	12:56
RST38h	"Geeks like this stuff"	12:58
solmumaha	i could summarize it to one word: "don't"	12:58
RST38h	solmu: That is a summary of a chemical lab intro for freshmen	12:59
Cptnodegard	worst thing was my diappointment when i couldnt find the ctrl + c/v buttons when i was to hand in the shit... write the same numbers, date and descriptions on 8 papers	12:59
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GeneralAntilles	dneary, can I upload the maemo logo to the mediawiki?	13:16
dneary	GeneralAntilles: Let me have a look first...	13:16
dneary	It is already there, isn't it?	13:16
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GeneralAntilles	What's the filename?	13:16
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dneary	It's up there in the corner of the front page. https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page	13:17
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GeneralAntilles	maemo-logo-1.png	13:20
GeneralAntilles	But I can't get there from here. . . .	13:20
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dneary	GeneralAntilles: Thanks for your input. I like your first idea for the front page	13:25
dneary	The 3 frames is good	13:25
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X-Fade	I think the howto list will become to long?	13:26
GeneralAntilles	Somebody needs to write a preamble/intro fro the front page.	13:26
dneary	Yeah	13:26
dneary	That'll be me	13:26
dneary	It needs to be short	13:26
dneary	In fact, you might argue that it isn't necessary	13:27
GeneralAntilles	Maybe, but I like the layout more with one. :P	13:27
dneary	If someone has arrived at wiki.maemo.org, there are a few things they know already: it's a maemo related site, it's a wiki	13:27
Saviq	Not everyone reads the url ;)	13:28
Saviq	And not everyone needs to know what's maemo, nor what's a wiki	13:29
dneary	GeneralAntilles: Another wiki for you - similar layout to yours. http://www.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page	13:29
GeneralAntilles	Busy busy busy	13:30
GeneralAntilles	I think having a separate Category page from the front page like this is good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Categorical_index	13:30
GeneralAntilles	But the actual front page needs to be only the major stuff.	13:30
GeneralAntilles	1-1.5 screens or so.	13:31
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zap	Anybody can explain why HildonProgram/Window classes are needed at all? Why not use standard window manager concepts?	13:33
GeneralAntilles	There's a bug, I believe. . . .	13:33
GeneralAntilles	Not sure if it contains a rationale.	13:33
Jaffa	Morning, all	13:34
GeneralAntilles	Hi, Jaffa.	13:34
Jaffa	zap: The argument is that Nokia didn't want to maintain a Gtk fork, so instead everyone else has to fork their code. Makes perfect sense to me as a software architect, oh yes.	13:34
zap	:)))	13:35
zap	well, the main question is - what if I don't use Hildon API at all, my program simply won't show?	13:36
zap	or it just won't use the funny widgets like titlebar menu etc	13:36
KotCzarny	latter	13:36
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zap	aha, thats cool then	13:36
zap	then the Hildon API makes sense as an additional API that gives access to PDA-specific things	13:37
KotCzarny	i would be more happy if they simply used backward compatible approach	13:39
KotCzarny	matchbox ignoring normal windows as an example	13:39
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Mikho	would somebody know how to permanently solve the vdso enabled thing?	13:49
KotCzarny	add a line to /etc/rc	13:49
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zap	KotCzarny: but maemo contains some specific things like titlebar menus, bottom toolbars, the fullscreen button etc	13:54
KotCzarny	zap: yeah, like it wouldn't be possible to do it in regular wm/x.org	13:55
zap	that would require a fork anyway, or at least a bunch of #ifdefs	13:55
KotCzarny	nope	13:55
zap	just like it is now	13:55
zap	?	13:55
KotCzarny	i'm using a fluxbox wm	13:56
zap	so what?	13:56
zap	I'm talking about the maemo wm	13:56
KotCzarny	so i can assign f6 to fullscreen	13:56
KotCzarny	etc	13:56
KotCzarny	and don't need hildon for that	13:56
GeneralAntilles	dneary, updated a bit, I'm gonna push it to the front page, OK?	13:56
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/User:Generalantilles	13:56
zap	normal WMs are not very useable on small-screen devices	13:56
GeneralAntilles	Matchbox, zap.	13:57
KotCzarny	zap, the thing i have against hildon is it ignores regular windows	13:57
zap	top-level windows?	13:57
zap	or what is 'regular'?	13:57
dneary	GeneralAntilles: Your categories probably won't be definitive	13:57
KotCzarny	not-hildonized	13:57
GeneralAntilles	Oh, definitely	13:57
zap	GeneralAntilles: matchbox is not exactly a 'normal WM'	13:57
GeneralAntilles	They're completely terrible at the moment. ;)	13:57
dneary	OK, roll it out, let's see what happens	13:57
GeneralAntilles	Matchbox is the maemo wm	13:57
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GeneralAntilles	I'm just not feeling very inspired category-wise this morning. ;)	13:58
zap	KotCzarny: I never have seen apps with 'regular' windows, how it looks like?\	13:58
dneary	I actually prefer to have categories be completely invisible	13:58
zap	GeneralAntilles: matchbox??????	13:58
KotCzarny	zap: gimp for example	13:58
KotCzarny	grin	13:58
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28window_manager%29	13:58
dneary	They're there, pages are categorised with them, but they're not part of the normal site navigation	13:58
dneary	If you see what I mean	13:58
zap	GeneralAntilles: I used matchbox on Zaurus, it had a totally different look :)	13:58
kulve	matchbox is a set of tools, including mb-window-manager, mb-desktop, mb-panel, etc	13:58
zap	that's why I'm surprised	13:59
kulve	matchbox components can be themed quite much	13:59
zap	and which of them are used in maemo?	13:59
kulve	window manager only	13:59
zap	aha	13:59
zap	so no matchbox desktop and panel	13:59
zap	that would explain it :)	13:59
kulve	I'm not sure if they have modified the window manager a bit	13:59
zap	KotCzarny: and how gimp looks in maemo?	14:00
kulve	no mb-desktop, maemo has nowadays hildon-desktop, which has nothing to do with matchbox-destkop	14:00
zap	KotCzarny: or it just doesn't work without modifications?	14:00
KotCzarny	main issue is no icon in task navigator	14:00
zap	that's because there's no HildonProgram object?	14:01
KotCzarny	something like that	14:01
zap	indeed, it would be better to just pick up all top-level windows	14:02
Cptnodegard	hmm...is there anyway to make gstreet on maemo mapper appear less pixelated?	14:02
GeneralAntilles	Turn off pixel doubling.	14:02
* zap wonders where Maemo will go now, after Nokia acquired Trolltech		14:02
Cptnodegard	where?	14:02
GeneralAntilles	zap, there have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject.	14:03
GeneralAntilles	maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the end of this year/beginning of 2009	14:03
Cptnodegard	found it, thanks	14:03
GeneralAntilles	Sure. ;)	14:03
Cptnodegard	mameo mapper quadrupled its usefullness in one option	14:03
GeneralAntilles	zap, there's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt	14:04
hrw	~maemo-qt	14:04
hrw	infobot: maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt	14:05
infobot	hrw: okay	14:05
hrw	~maemo-qt	14:05
infobot	methinks maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt	14:05
hugolp	is it normal that for the same code the ARMEL executable is 2.5 times bigger than the x86 executable?	14:05
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KotCzarny	yes, strip it	14:06
hugolp	KotCzarny: that yes was for my question?	14:07
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KotCzarny	yes	14:07
hugolp	so its an ARMEL feature that the executable are way bigger, ok thanks	14:08
KotCzarny	no, but i would assume your default flags include -g	14:08
KotCzarny	:)	14:08
hugolp	KotCzarny: the flags are the same for the ARMEL than for x86	14:09
KotCzarny	then it's strange	14:09
KotCzarny	does stripping make it smaller?	14:10
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hugolp	KotCzarny: when I say x86 I mean x86 for normal pc, not x86 for simulating hildon	14:10
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hugolp	I ported a gtk program to hildon and beside a few lines, the programs are exact	14:10
KotCzarny	hugolp, does stripping armel binary you have compiled made it smaller?	14:10
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hugolp	the gtk version is 2.5 times smaller than the hildon one	14:11
KotCzarny	hugolp: try strip your_binary	14:11
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KotCzarny	that's actual command	14:11
KotCzarny	:)	14:11
zap	usually arm executables are a little big larger, but not much	14:11
hugolp	ok, going to try	14:12
zap	Does Hildon framework work under 'normal' WMs, e.g. GNOME?	14:13
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KotCzarny	zap: hildon was ported for ubuntu afair	14:13
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zap	that could be, but does it run only in matchbox-wm?	14:14
hugolp	what a change, now its only a bit bigger	14:14
hugolp	thanks	14:14
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KotCzarny	hugolp: see if you enable debug somewhere	14:15
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zap	it's not neccessarily -g	14:16
jldiaz	hi	14:16
zap	if you just don't use -s, it'll be larger anyway	14:16
KotCzarny	but not that much as with -g	14:16
KotCzarny	:)	14:16
jldiaz	Im'm trying to write a small python client for mpd	14:16
jldiaz	console oriented	14:16
jldiaz	but I don't know how to read a keypress from python	14:16
hugolp	but the striped executable works?	14:17
KotCzarny	hugolp: yes	14:17
jldiaz	windows implementation has a getch() function, but it is not available for unix	14:17
GeneralAntilles	jldiaz, you might be interested in powerlaunch	14:17
_berto_	that's not portable	14:17
GeneralAntilles	http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/	14:17
jldiaz	I've read about using tty to put stdin in raw mode, but maemo's python does not provide tty module	14:17
KotCzarny	jldiaz, there is mpd client in c/ncurses	14:18
KotCzarny	:)	14:18
jldiaz	Yes, I know KotCzarny	14:18
jldiaz	but forget about the final goal I'm pursuing.. :-)	14:19
KotCzarny	:)	14:19
jldiaz	the question is... how to read a keypress from python?	14:19
KotCzarny	use pygtk?	14:19
jldiaz	in xterm?	14:19
KotCzarny	;)	14:19
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kup	black cat .... :D	14:20
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KotCzarny	kup: wrong order	14:20
KotCzarny	:)	14:20
kup	sure ;)	14:21
jldiaz	python for maemo docs say "tty is deprecated". This suggest that there is a better way	14:21
KotCzarny	googling: reading from keyboard in python ?	14:23
kup	KotCzarny: he he, i was born in wroclaw	14:23
KotCzarny	kup: i wasn't	14:24
KotCzarny	;)	14:24
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jldiaz	KotCzarny: yes, I googled, but the solutions I've found do not work on maemo	14:24
KotCzarny	jldiaz: ie, reply = raw_input("Do you have a dead parrot? ") doesn't work?	14:25
kup	where are you from? polish linux community became very strong in the last few years	14:25
KotCzarny	kup: north-east part	14:26
kup	ah, i was on wolin last year	14:26
KotCzarny	that's north-west afair	14:26
KotCzarny	;)	14:26
kup	ups ... you're right	14:27
kup	gdansk?	14:27
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KotCzarny	north-center	14:27
KotCzarny	:)	14:27
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kup	:D	14:28
trickie_	jldiaz: import curses	14:29
trickie_	does that work?	14:29
jldiaz	KotCzarny: it works, but it requires I press Return after each char	14:29
jldiaz	I want to read the char as soon as it is pressed	14:30
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KotCzarny	try setting stdin as unbuffered?	14:30
jldiaz	apparently, the trick is to use tty.setraw()	14:30
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jldiaz	but there is no tty on maemo	14:31
jldiaz	however, I'm reading tty implementation	14:31
jldiaz	it relies on termios, which is present	14:31
KotCzarny	shot in the dark, stdin.setraw() ?	14:31
KotCzarny	:)	14:31
jldiaz	so perhaps it would be possible to implement my own setraw	14:31
jldiaz	trickie_, import curses fails	14:31
KotCzarny	import ncurses ?	14:32
KotCzarny	:)	14:32
jldiaz	fails too	14:33
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trickie_	jldiaz: yeah i just read that the curses module was deprecated for pymaemo	14:35
trickie_	jldiaz: maybe ask on the pymaemo list?	14:35
jldiaz	AHA!	14:36
jldiaz	sorry	14:36
jldiaz	I did it	14:36
jldiaz	just copied the definition of setraw from tty.py in my ubuntu box, to my maemo script	14:36
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jldiaz	it works "out of the box"	14:37
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X-Fade	Heh, Quim adds fuel to the fire for the rumours in his last mail to -developers ;)	14:37
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trickie_	:)	14:39
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woolfgang	hi	14:40
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woolfgang	we're working on utilizing the light sensor of the n810 and thought it would be cool to control the maemo web browser	14:41
Jaffa	X-Fade: about the ITTSS?	14:41
X-Fade	Jaffa: The OpenExpo one..	14:41
woolfgang	is there any way to manipulate the scrollbar of another hildon window	14:41
RST38h	not officially	14:42
Jaffa	X-Fade: heh, I see :-)	14:42
Jaffa	Blimey, that's a bloody long wait for Diablo.	14:42
woolfgang	RST38h, and unofficially ;)	14:43
Jaffa	Or... N900 release announced at LinuxTag :)	14:43
KotCzarny	o.o	14:43
X-Fade	Jaffa: Who says it is diablo ;)	14:43
GeneralAntilles	I dunno	14:43
GeneralAntilles	The PowerVR stuff at maemo-meeting	14:43
GeneralAntilles	this	14:43
GeneralAntilles	Sounds like N900	14:43
Jaffa	N900 in September would fit with the Q3 rumour discussed on ITT, interestingly.	14:44
X-Fade	As I said, let the rumours start ;)	14:44
jldiaz	see you	14:44
Jaffa	X-Fade: do you know, btw?	14:44
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X-Fade	Jaffa: I know as much as you guys do. I'm intentionally left out of the loop of Nokia things.	14:44
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Jaffa	X-Fade: that's what I figured	14:45
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, maybe Nokia meant southern-hemisphere summer for Diablo? :D	14:45
solmumaha	link?	14:45
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: they said Q2 though ;-/	14:45
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GeneralAntilles	Ugh, this OMAP3 stuff always makes me giddy when I think about it. . . .	14:46
RST38h	OMAP2 is actually quite sufficient	14:47
KotCzarny	pity it would cost 500-900$	14:47
KotCzarny	;)	14:47
RST38h	Just wish it were better documented...	14:47
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GeneralAntilles	Meh, I'll take the decent LCD controller.	14:47
Jaffa	solmumaha: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20067 and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017787.html	14:47
RST38h	yea, agree on the lcd controller	14:47
RST38h	why didn't they make an option to use the built-in one to render into a 640x480 window?	14:48
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GeneralAntilles	Really wouldn't make sense for what they're targeting the device for.	14:48
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GeneralAntilles	It's a web browser and IM client, you don't need super fast graphics for that. ;)	14:49
RST38h	It has become painfully obvious by now that it is NOT only a web browser an IM client...	14:49
RST38h	It is the only device in their lineup that has decent screen resolution	14:50
GeneralAntilles	To the community, but the management is not the community.	14:50
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RST38h	Especially after Nokia cancelled production of 416x352 devices	14:50
solmumaha	Jaffa: thanks	14:50
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Although we all would love an application switcher like this :P http://smspillaz.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/sphere1.png	14:50
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	14:50
GeneralAntilles	No Clutter, either!	14:50
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GeneralAntilles	I just want menus to render fast and tear-free.	14:50
* Jaffa want sthe N900 to seamlessly run the JavaFX demo from JavaOne where 100s of HD videos were flying around in a 3D swarm, rendering with no skip or framedrop.		14:51
KotCzarny	O.o	14:51
RST38h	That was cheating	14:51
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	14:51
RST38h	There is no way Java can do that	14:51
Jaffa	Of course, it's libraries on top of OpenGL - the point of the demo was how easy it is to write apps which do that in Java 7	14:52
GeneralAntilles	Be nice if Nokia discovers a magical way to cram the OMAP3440 in there and retain good battery life.	14:53
GeneralAntilles	800MHz. . . .	14:53
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KotCzarny	and leave out necessary libs	14:53
KotCzarny	grin	14:53
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Jaffa	Oooh, shiny. OpenOffice and Java sans-Jazelle would both be realistic options then	14:53
RST38h	Jaffa: yes, it is so easy, JavaFX probably has an API call Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarm() =)	14:55
Jaffa	RST38h: Probably, since it's a Sun API, you'll have to go through a Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarmFactory, first.	14:56
RST38h	and it will be a native call anyway	14:56
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KotCzarny	the best function evah, SatisfyLuser();	15:03
KotCzarny	;)	15:03
Jaffa	Nah, /me prefers User.shoot()	15:03
KotCzarny	implementation quality could vary though	15:03
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Jaffa	KotCzarny: you're right - let's invert it: new BFG9000().shoot(User)	15:05
KotCzarny	;)	15:05
RST38h	None of you understand the Spirit of Java	15:07
KotCzarny	mine was in c	15:08
RST38h	In the spirit of Java, you are supposed to have at least one observer function	15:08
RST38h	And implement an interface	15:08
KotCzarny	you are taking away the fun from it.	15:09
KotCzarny	;)	15:09
RST38h	And have both BFG and User have a Port object	15:09
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RST38h	and do System.Ports.Send(BFG9000().GetPort(),User.GetPort(),BFG9000.Actions.Shoot);	15:10
RST38h	Kot: I know :)	15:10
Jaffa	RST38h: That looks more like .NET WebServices	15:10
RST38h	Jaffa: looks like generic java-derived crap =)	15:10
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GeneralAntilles	Anybody bothered to test if Diablo restores the Extras setting correctly from a backup?	15:11
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hendry	anyone know why I get perm problems with `sb2 make install`? http://static.natalian.org/2008-05-22/sb2pixmanperm.txt	15:13
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Jaykie	question: Anyone using Joikuspot with Nokia phone and connecting N8xx through it?	15:18
Jaykie	seems like there is JoikuSpot 2.0 final available and it's working fine except i cannot connect https sites with microb	15:19
KotCzarny	jaykie: try setting a proxy?	15:19
Jaykie	KotCzarny: yeah, question how do i do it in microb?	15:20
KotCzarny	not in microb	15:20
KotCzarny	i think it's done where you setup connection	15:20
KotCzarny	(well, maybe about:config in microb will work too)	15:20
Jaykie	you mean in joikuspot?	15:20
KotCzarny	jaykie: i'm just guessing	15:21
Jaykie	ok i'll try that one...in joikuspot manual they have guide for IE and they tell to turn on automatic detection of settings	15:21
KotCzarny	journal commit I/O error	15:21
KotCzarny	O.O	15:21
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Jaykie	not very familiar with about:config...just found entry for network.proxy.ssl with value: string :)	15:26
KotCzarny	:)	15:27
KotCzarny	i think you can also edit user.js	15:27
KotCzarny	at least that was an option in firefox	15:27
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Jaykie	thanks for your tips	15:28
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KotCzarny	http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3945496.ece	15:33
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RST38h	Kot: UK	15:34
RST38h	The original inventors of concentration camps ;)	15:34
KotCzarny	rest of the world will follow	15:35
KotCzarny	:)	15:35
RST38h	No doubt, they always followed...	15:35
RST38h	But look at the bright side: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1992853/Monster-carnivorous-mice-overrun-Gough-Island.html	15:35
KotCzarny	or be forced to follow	15:35
KotCzarny	;)	15:35
KotCzarny	yeah	15:35
KotCzarny	saw that	15:35
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lopz	morning	15:36
RST38h	Meanwhile in Kansas: http://www.kmbc.com/news/16345135/detail.html	15:36
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KotCzarny	zombie nation	15:37
KotCzarny	thump	15:38
madsk	Hi guys. I am trying to compile something in scratchbox that depends on libfl.a (the flex lib) but somehow it does not work. Even though libfl.a exists in /scratchbox/tools/lib it says: "flex library not found"	15:40
KotCzarny	.a is static lib	15:41
KotCzarny	you need .so for -lfl	15:41
madsk	Ahh, right...	15:41
KotCzarny	otherwise you need to put /usr/lib/libfl.a on the command line	15:41
KotCzarny	or something	15:41
KotCzarny	(or -static flag)	15:42
madsk	This error occurs in the configure script of the Julius speech recognition software.	15:42
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madsk	So they must use some shared-object flexlib...	15:42
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madsk	But in /scratchbox/tools/lib only libfl.a exists, no .so version.	15:44
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madsk	On my regular Ubuntu installation both libfl.a an libfl.so resides in /usr/lib	15:44
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KotCzarny	remember that scratchbox matches and mixes dirs	15:45
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madsk	Yes, I an currently doing an 'find / -name libfl.so' but it takes a lot of time :-)	15:46
madsk	And it was not found...	15:47
KotCzarny	apt-get install flex?	15:47
KotCzarny	apt-get install byacc?	15:47
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madsk	Tried installing flex - it says its not available	15:49
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madsk	I am building flex from scratch now to see if that creates a libfl.so for me.	15:54
KotCzarny	:)	15:54
madsk	it didn't :P	15:55
RST38h	madsk: make so out of a	15:56
RST38h	or include a at the command line and remove -lfl flag	15:56
RST38h	to make an so, do something like gcc -o libfl.so -shared libfl.a	15:56
madsk	Yes, but that would mean trying to figure out how their build scripts work :)	15:56
madsk	ok, I'll try that now	15:57
RST38h	no pain no gain	15:57
madsk	:D	15:57
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soman	hii... im unable to play an .mpeg file on N810	15:59
KotCzarny	get mplayer	15:59
soman	what gst-plugin do i need to have on N810	15:59
KotCzarny	or check if it's mpeg	15:59
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soman	it says media codec not present	16:01
KotCzarny	check on pc	16:01
soman	on PC its working fine	16:01
KotCzarny	no, check what format it is	16:01
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soman	its mpeg2	16:08
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KotCzarny	transcode it	16:08
soman	what does that mean	16:08
KotCzarny	400mhz is a little low for mpeg2	16:08
KotCzarny	especially if resolution is high too	16:08
soman	so how can i transcode it	16:09
KotCzarny	transcode == convert to another format	16:09
soman	but i need to have mpeg 2 only	16:10
KotCzarny	then i say, it's not going to happen on your tablet	16:10
KotCzarny	:)	16:10
summatusmentis	tablets can't play mpeg2?	16:11
soman	ok	16:11
soman	oh... thanks for support...	16:12
KotCzarny	summatusmentis: well, theoretically mplayer can play it, but it's cpu intensive	16:12
KotCzarny	:)	16:12
summatusmentis	oh, ok, that makes sense	16:12
KotCzarny	so it's better to transcode	16:12
soman	ok	16:13
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ravious	mediaserv is a nice little on the fly encoder with a httpd frontend to browse the files.. pretty easy to setup too.	16:19
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RST38h	"The editors of "Sky Horse", LLC are planning to release a disk collection of the best software for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smart phones and cell phones. Our computer software analysts have positively evaluated your program(s)..."	16:30
RST38h	-- Elena Nasyrova Legando.S60@skyhorse.com.ua	16:30
KotCzarny	o.o	16:31
KotCzarny	what's a best software?	16:31
RST38h	Dear Elena Nasyrova! I explicitely PROHIBIT you from including any of my programs in	16:31
RST38h	anyyour disk collections.	16:31
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GeneralAntilles	Ha	16:31
RST38h	[you can fuck off now.]	16:31
Stskeeps	mm. sky horses. good on bread	16:31
Stskeeps	:P	16:31
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RST38h	Kot: Anything that they can place onto CD without too high litigation risk	16:32
KotCzarny	hehe	16:32
RST38h	Kot: Given their .UA address, let us just say "anything"	16:32
KotCzarny	well	16:32
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* KotCzarny says photoshop cs3		16:33
KotCzarny	;)	16:33
KotCzarny	that would make the case interesting :)	16:33
RST38h	We DO NOT SELL the software, we distribute the best free and shareware software and ADVERTISE its authors on it. ($4.50/CD)	16:33
KotCzarny	cds were ok in the pre-internet era	16:33
KotCzarny	but now?	16:33
RST38h	How else would they sell you pirated software?	16:34
KotCzarny	kind of dollar store presents	16:34
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ravious	anyone know of any shfsmount or remote filesystem projects currently being worked on/	16:35
KotCzarny	?	16:35
KotCzarny	sshfs and sambafs	16:35
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anidel	hi	16:37
zap	curlftpfs	16:37
zap	works fine here	16:37
KotCzarny	nfs is ok too	16:38
KotCzarny	;)	16:38
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ravious	does sshfs work on os2007he?	16:52
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zap	sshfs is damn slow	17:04
zap	nfs is fast, but not easy to set up	17:05
KotCzarny	lcuk: end of vacations? :)	17:05
lcuk	damn, i was trying to stay out of here for a couple of hours	17:05
zap	curlftpfs is fast, and mounts any ftp server which is easy to set up	17:05
lcuk	yes though :)	17:05
KotCzarny	;)	17:05
lcuk	ty	17:05
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* lcuk needs a holiday		17:06
KotCzarny	zap: sshfs may be slow but for most of the uses it's enough	17:06
lcuk	is sshfs slow?	17:06
KotCzarny	zap: and what it loses in therms of speed it gains in ease of use	17:06
KotCzarny	lcuk: on slow cpus	17:06
KotCzarny	;)	17:06
lcuk	like 2420?	17:06
lcuk	in powersave mode?	17:06
KotCzarny	i got ~450-500kb/s with it	17:06
zap	via wifi or via usb?	17:07
KotCzarny	wifi	17:07
KotCzarny	i don't use usb	17:07
zap	well thats about the top you can get with wifi	17:07
lcuk	have i missed anything vital then kot?	17:07
KotCzarny	lcuk, hmm, diablo for some people	17:07
lcuk	some isnt everyone :)	17:07
KotCzarny	but not that much exciting	17:07
lcuk	ive been making notes	17:07
lcuk	lots of notes	17:08
zap	lotus of notes	17:08
lcuk	so many notes that i ended up with a floating point error ;)	17:08
KotCzarny	:)	17:08
KotCzarny	piled so much that weren't able to float anymore	17:08
lcuk	but its good, ive got a lot of ideas now about what i need to do	17:08
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lcuk	i will hopefully vanish for a few days and prepare a speech based on what ive noted	17:10
KotCzarny	:)	17:10
lcuk	holy shpoopoo 2400 spams since i left!	17:10
KotCzarny	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928	17:11
KotCzarny	lol	17:11
lcuk	wicked	17:11
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KotCzarny	probably oom	17:11
KotCzarny	:)	17:11
lcuk	i best unpack, back later	17:11
KotCzarny	k k	17:11
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xadap	hi	17:14
xadap	I'd like to port a GPL app to OS2007HE. I've been browsing maemo.org and I can't see really well where to start	17:15
xadap	any guidelines? :)	17:15
KotCzarny	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html ?	17:16
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KotCzarny	and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/ in general	17:18
xadap	uhms, I didn't find that link, KotCzarny	17:18
xadap	thanks :)	17:18
KotCzarny	heh	17:18
KotCzarny	first link in google..	17:18
xadap	i already did :p	17:19
xadap	i even looked for the app i wanna port, in case it had been done before	17:19
KotCzarny	magic word for google and maemo is: maemo	17:19
xadap	by the way, how do I know whether I need 3.x guides or 4.x ?	17:19
KotCzarny	both should work	17:19
KotCzarny	though some thing changed names	17:19
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KotCzarny	*things	17:20
xadap	alright	17:20
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xadap	if I succeed on that port, I'll try to put it in some repository	17:20
xadap	thanks ;D	17:20
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anidel	xadap: consider Maemo Extras repository	17:20
xadap	I'll do :)	17:20
X-Fade	anidel: You were quick at noticing the stats changes ;)	17:21
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anidel	X-Fade I was lucky :P	17:24
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anidel	I even spent time searching on the ITT forum in case I had miss it, before posting to Maemo Developers	17:24
X-Fade	Hehe.	17:25
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anidel	Anyway a few days ago I was happy Xournal was the 2nd in the Popular section.. and I was checking to see how close to Pidgin I was.. now.. 50.000 (canola2) agains 5000 (xournal).. eheh no need to check anymore :P	17:25
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qwerty12	hehe, xournal and canola are both great :)	17:26
anidel	BTW, I was surprised to see the count was so low and I wondered several times why that was so.. now I know why	17:26
X-Fade	anidel: Yeah, but your app has seen a lot of attention lately? It is doing great.	17:27
anidel	qwerty12: :) thanks.. it was just fun to see it there	17:27
anidel	X-Fade it really is doing great.. and users should be very happy as I am getting low or no complaints at all	17:27
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anidel	maybe that's because there's no direct link from the Maemo Downloads page -> to ITT forum thread specific for it ? (hint)	17:28
KotCzarny	that doesn't necessarily matter things you think it means	17:28
KotCzarny	;)	17:28
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anidel	:p	17:28
KotCzarny	s/matter/means	17:28
X-Fade	anidel: You can add links if you want..	17:29
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X-Fade	At least point it's homepage to the thread ;)	17:30
anidel	X-Fade: yup.. I was referring to the last discussion on ITT about the Downloads section Reggie opened (and than closed) few days ago on ITT	17:30
X-Fade	Or just add it in the description.	17:30
anidel	X-Fade: I will open a garage project for it and link either the garage page AND the ITT forum thread	17:30
X-Fade	Even better :)	17:31
anidel	I always do the best things :P	17:31
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anidel	how do you want to solve the problem with packages that were previously hosted on our own repo and then later added to Extras ?	17:34
X-Fade	Just add them up? :)	17:35
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X-Fade	Although to have good stats, you should just move to extras ofcourse ;)	17:35
anidel	You would need to ask people to send you their download stats ...	17:36
X-Fade	anidel: Nah..	17:36
X-Fade	Just get your stuff into extras or don't get a pretty graph :)	17:36
* KotCzarny senses stats fixing		17:36
KotCzarny	:)	17:36
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X-Fade	KotCzarny: Too much work :D	17:37
KotCzarny	:)	17:37
anidel	I was talking about the "PS" in your last e-mail on maemo-developers.. about adding download stats of packages that were not hosted on extras before	17:37
anidel	(it's just for the sake of curiosity, tho)	17:37
X-Fade	anidel: Well, we recorded the clicks on the install button..	17:38
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anidel	oh ok that's it.. not stats from apps that were not even listed on Maemo.. got it :)	17:38
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X-Fade	But you don't know how many downloads were through application manager. As that doesn't go through our servers..	17:38
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anidel	exactly..	17:39
X-Fade	If you host your packages yourself.	17:39
KotCzarny	akamai sucks a little	17:39
KotCzarny	:)	17:39
X-Fade	KotCzarny: ehm.. what shall I say about that.. :D	17:39
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KotCzarny	especially their ability to 401 the request instead redirecting to proper server	17:40
KotCzarny	:)	17:40
KotCzarny	s/instead/instead of	17:40
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anidel	geek	17:41
anidel	:)	17:41
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ravious	I have a question about sshfs on os2007. I've managed to mount my network filesystem as root, but my mount point folders are always grayed out on the user account file manager. I assume its a permissions error. Any advice?	17:43
KotCzarny	-o allow_other	17:43
X-Fade	I've also been testing a feature to show new applications in the maemo.org/news section.	17:44
X-Fade	So they can end up on the front page too, if they get enough thumbs up :)	17:44
KotCzarny	hmm	17:44
KotCzarny	maemo apps already has that?	17:44
KotCzarny	:)	17:45
anidel	not in the news	17:45
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anidel	and not thumbable	17:45
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KotCzarny	no?	17:45
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anidel	we only have Garage news there	17:46
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KotCzarny	hum	17:46
KotCzarny	http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/	17:46
KotCzarny	i talk about this page	17:46
X-Fade	KotCzarny: I would know that ;) Because I have mostly implemented it ;)	17:46
KotCzarny	:)	17:46
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anidel	that page is for newly added applications too.. but they don't show up in the News section and you cannot love or thumb down them	17:47
KotCzarny	ah	17:47
KotCzarny	those thumbs	17:47
KotCzarny	:)	17:47
anidel	yup	17:47
ravious	workted Kot, tyvm :)	17:47
X-Fade	Karma baby!	17:47
anidel	if I got it well, X-fade ?	17:47
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X-Fade	yep.	17:47
anidel	:)	17:47
KotCzarny	x-fade, yes, please, 2k would be enough	17:48
KotCzarny	:)	17:48
anidel	any more recent news about a jobs.maemo.org ?	17:48
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KotCzarny	other than it shows downloads?	17:49
KotCzarny	:)	17:49
anidel	ah! never noticed	17:50
KotCzarny	probably catch all domain :)	17:50
anidel	yup	17:50
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anidel	yesterday I have installed the slide rotate patch.. it's awesome! Xournal is even more useful while holding the tablet in portrait mode	17:52
anidel	I should make it catch the change in size of the window and show a better toolbar for that mode	17:53
X-Fade	KotCzarny: Yep.	17:53
KotCzarny	:)	17:53
KotCzarny	anidel, rotation patch won't be in official kernel for a while	17:54
anidel	so Xournal, for those who don't care, we'll always behave as usual :P ehhe	17:54
KotCzarny	it would require to test/fix too much stuff for nokia devs :)	17:55
anidel	I am not asking it to be made official... even tho I would love it	17:55
X-Fade	Perhaps it can be distributed as a module?	17:55
KotCzarny	x-fade: it requires changes to the vid driver	17:56
lcuk	thats a module ;)	17:56
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KotCzarny	heh	17:56
X-Fade	KotCzarny: I hope SSU will give us more updates, so we don't have to wait so long for an actual fix/feature to show up.	17:56
KotCzarny	anyways, patch for kernel is trivial (almost)	17:57
KotCzarny	and works	17:57
KotCzarny	:)	17:57
lcuk	until the next official release	17:57
qwerty12	So far with SSU, all I get is new kernel (woot :)) and broken initfs packages :?	17:57
qwerty12	s/:?/:/	17:57
infobot	qwerty12 meant: So far with SSU, all I get is new kernel (woot :)) and broken initfs packages :	17:57
* KotCzarny got ftd		17:57
KotCzarny	:)	17:57
* qwerty12 has it too ;)		17:57
X-Fade	qwerty12: Yeah, but you are not supposed to get anything yet :D	17:57
* lcuk got big fat cpu change buttons so is happy		17:57
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qwerty12	X-Fade, Hehe, true. I bow my head down :)	17:58
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lcuk	KotCzarny, you will be pleased to hear i want to live in powersave mode more often than performance :)	17:58
KotCzarny	:)	17:58
lcuk	ondemand is too flakey	17:59
KotCzarny	lcuk: i got gcc 4.2.3 in sbox :)	17:59
lcuk	i got gcc whatever version direct on device and its been bliss	17:59
KotCzarny	3.4.4 probably	17:59
lcuk	apart from starting pygtkeditor from the console is blocking - i cant execute on another thread	18:00
KotCzarny	use &	18:00
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, have you seen the update notification applet yet?	18:00
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Many times	18:00
GeneralAntilles	Really?	18:00
lcuk	what do you mean, simply &pygtkeditor	18:00
GeneralAntilles	I've yet to see it.	18:00
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qwerty12	I even had it in chinook ;)	18:00
KotCzarny	at the end	18:00
KotCzarny	app &	18:00
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GeneralAntilles	They got rid of the update interval, does it do background checks?	18:01
anidel	qwerty12: in chinook ?	18:01
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lcuk	ROOOOLES! thank you	18:01
qwerty12	anidel, Newer application manager compiled. piss take though...	18:01
KotCzarny	lcuk, *nix	18:01
KotCzarny	:)	18:01
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, I only get it when I update repos manually :/	18:01
anidel	qwerty12: oh :)	18:01
qwerty12	Settings for the update notifier are in gconf	18:01
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, the whole update applet is really stupidly pointless if it doesn't occasionally check for updates in the background.	18:01
lcuk	right, ive got lots to do - im gonna start unpacking all these notes - its been a dream this week	18:02
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anidel	breakfast ? I am almost ready for dinner.. soccer match before that	18:02
lcuk	didnt get breakfast today - left for the airport before the cafe opened	18:02
KotCzarny	well	18:03
KotCzarny	first meal after sleep	18:03
KotCzarny	call it what you like :)	18:03
anidel	GA: App Manager does check them up regularly, probably the applet relies on that	18:03
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qwerty12	anidel, Time for that has disappeared in Options	18:03
Sakkath	http://gronmayer.com/it/ <-- how do I install this repo? there is a include() error on the page	18:04
KotCzarny	it's not a repo	18:04
anidel	qwerty12: weird decision	18:05
Sakkath	Uhm.	18:05
Sakkath	KotCzarny: then what do i do for becomeroot?	18:06
KotCzarny	google?	18:06
KotCzarny	:)	18:06
KotCzarny	~becomeroot	18:06
infobot	i guess becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto	18:06
qwerty12	"~qwerty12" "I guess qwerty12 is the king" :p	18:06
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Sakkath	KotCzarny: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot/#7b9d9a1e686210e36211b6fac1a1dad2	18:07
Sakkath	KotCzarny: how do i 'search' gronmayer.com/it	18:07
KotCzarny	use google	18:08
KotCzarny	gromnayer is only an index	18:08
Sakkath	I found one on eko.one.pl but it was for bora	18:08
anidel	X-Fade Canola guys just noticed the change in the Downloads count too :)	18:08
X-Fade	I'm sure they did :)	18:09
Sakkath	KotCzarny: will that work?	18:09
KotCzarny	don't know	18:09
KotCzarny	i use ssh for root	18:09
qwerty12	That is the only becomeroot	18:09
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Sakkath	oh, thanks qwerty12	18:10
qwerty12	but I will always <3 easyroot over becomeroot	18:10
anidel	x-fade: they're chatting about that in #canola	18:10
Sakkath	why?	18:10
anidel	qwerty12 that <3 comes from Blizzard ?	18:10
qwerty12	Sakkath, Because it does what becomeroot does (sudo gainroot) plus includes a "root" command which sets proper root enviroment variables.	18:11
qwerty12	anidel, no afaik. <3 = f00kin iirc	18:11
disq	why? just ssh root@127.1	18:12
anidel	qwerty12: ok	18:12
X-Fade	tonikitoo here? Or somebody that knows him?	18:12
qwerty12	X-Fade, Has garage all of a sudden started to set deb mime types as application/x-archive?	18:13
Sakkath	qwerty12: thanks	18:13
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X-Fade	qwerty12: No? It does that for a long time already?	18:13
qwerty12	I've never noticed it before. before I could press open but because maemo doesn't include application/x-archive mime type as default, open is grayed out	18:14
qwerty12	now that is	18:14
X-Fade	qwerty12: Yeah, I saw mention about it before, I think.	18:14
X-Fade	qwerty12: We will look into it..	18:15
qwerty12	Thanks :)	18:15
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X-Fade	qwerty12: Can you please file a bug about it?	18:16
qwerty12	X-Fade, If I knew how, I would, anyone else willing to file it please?	18:16
X-Fade	That makes it easier for us to remember and assign it to somebody ;)	18:16
KotCzarny	qwerty: learn!	18:16
KotCzarny	:)	18:16
qwerty12	Best I can do is voting :P	18:17
summatusmentis	qwerty12: bug trackers aren't hard...	18:17
qwerty12	summatusmentis, Before maemo, I'd never heard of them	18:17
X-Fade	qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website&component=Garage :)	18:17
anidel	qwerty12: so you've got diablo and you're not filing bugs up ? bad, too bad	18:17
summatusmentis	qwerty12: yeah, but it's not difficult.	18:18
summatusmentis	oh, see, it's even bugzilla!	18:18
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, it has a nice walkthrough and everything.	18:19
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qwerty12	Ok, I'll try but will you be willing to help please if (most likely, for sure) I need it :)	18:21
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, just let me know if you run into any trouble at all. :P	18:21
anidel	x-fade: so Vagalume was cheating ? it has now only 800 downloads ? :p	18:21
X-Fade	anidel: No, that is one in the PS category..	18:21
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Thanks :)	18:22
anidel	X-Fade: PS ?	18:22
anidel	oh PC ?	18:23
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X-Fade	no, PS in my mail..	18:23
qwerty12	Erm, what goes in alias? :/	18:24
qwerty12	Sorry for dumbness	18:24
KotCzarny	probably 'qwerty12'	18:24
KotCzarny	;)	18:24
X-Fade	qwerty12: Just leave empty.	18:24
summatusmentis	lol!	18:24
summatusmentis	sorry, I don't mean to laugh	18:25
anidel	X-fade: k	18:25
GeneralAntilles	Alias is for linking to the internal Nokia bugtracker, qwerty12.	18:25
GeneralAntilles	You never need to worry about it.	18:25
qwerty12	Ah, ok	18:25
qwerty12	"ur mom" isn't really a good alias is it?	18:25
summatusmentis	do it!	18:26
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KotCzarny	do ur mom?	18:26
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qwerty12	lmao	18:26
summatusmentis	hrr hrr rolls eyes	18:26
GeneralAntilles	You also don't need to worry about Whiteboard and Keywords for now, qwerty12.	18:26
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summatusmentis	alright, I have a stupid question. Is the USB port on the N810 mini-usb?	18:29
qwerty12	X-Fade, Which is better title? ".deb files on garage project are reported as application/x-archive" or "deb files are not able to be opened with browser"	18:29
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qwerty12	Alternative suggestions appreciated	18:29
X-Fade	qwerty12: First one.	18:29
X-Fade	We can always alter it, don't worry..	18:29
qwerty12	Cool	18:30
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X-Fade	As long as the problem is recorded and can be reproduced :)	18:30
ur	hello. is there a software that supports video chat on n810 to either msn or yahoo or skype?	18:30
qwerty12	msn = amsn	18:30
summatusmentis	there's skype on the n810	18:31
qwerty12	but no video in skype	18:31
ur	I	18:31
summatusmentis	oh really?	18:31
ur	I have tried skype, no video	18:31
GeneralAntilles	Gizmo has video.	18:32
GeneralAntilles	If that's a workable alternative.	18:32
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summatusmentis	what about Google Talk?	18:32
GeneralAntilles	Tablet-to-tablet	18:33
ur	I should ask, has anyone of you successfully used video chat between n810 and a linux pc	18:33
ur	google talk would be ok, is there a linux software on the pc that supports it with video?	18:35
ur	I had asked for skype/yahoo/msn, because I do have software on the linux pc already that supports a webcam. no idea about google talk	18:35
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qwerty12	https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi	18:39
qwerty12	oops	18:39
qwerty12	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3189	18:39
qwerty12	If something sucks, sorry.	18:39
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GeneralAntilles	Hey, qwerty12 figured out to delete the (always/sometimes/once)!	18:41
qwerty12	3 cheers for qwerty12!	18:41
GeneralAntilles	If a 15-year-old can do it, you'd figure everybody else would be able to. . . . <_< :P	18:41
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WorkingOnWise	My hand ha been forced and I am now using Vista as my primary OS. :( I thought "Well at least I should be able to sync Outlook and my N800 if I' on Windows" So I looked. Please please tell me there is a clean way to keep outlook and the N800 contacts and calendar synced.	18:44
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anidel	3 cheers for qwerty12!	18:45
Veggen	WorkingOnWise: why do you accept it, these days? (Vista as primary OS)?	18:47
Veggen	but apart from that, there exists little clean ways to syncronize contact data and such with the NITs....	18:48
forge	Aye, it's not vista	18:48
forge	It's N800	18:48
Veggen	now, I do understand that they are not meant as PDAs, but seriously. They'd be quite useful as that too :)	18:49
forge	They would	18:49
forge	I would imagine that being a bit bigger market than pure internet tablet thingie	18:49
Veggen	(but since I don't implement it, I have no right to complain, only to wish :)	18:49
hrw	;)	18:49
forge	You can always vote with your wallet	18:49
Veggen	forge: I have more use for a NIT than a PDA :)	18:50
forge	:)	18:50
KotCzarny	pdas are so 90' ;)	18:50
qwerty12	Thats big!	18:50
* qwerty12 doesn't need or use any PDA or PIM. Even with my PPC, I don't use it as a PIM		18:51
forge	Because of the marketting	18:51
forge	But imagine a good internet tablet with really good pim suit out of the bat	18:52
GeneralAntilles	Meh, save that for step 5.	18:52
forge	I would imagine that bringing more focus on it from business perspective aswell and hopefully good quality programs :o	18:52
forge	:)	18:52
WorkingOnWise	Veggen: there are a few apps that I make money with that just dont work with Linux at all, and Vista Ultimate was free from Microsoft	18:53
* Navi yawns		18:53
* GeneralAntilles pokes Navi with a stick.		18:53
* Navi dies a horrible death		18:53
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qwerty12	My camera is funky!	18:53
hrw\|gone	bye	18:53
Veggen	WorkingOnWise: me, I have only the bureaucratic applications on windows. But no productive work.	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Get a job and get yourself a nice DSLR, qwerty12. :P	18:54
qwerty12	I didn't know my W810 can do "3-d effect"	18:54
forge	I use linux on work and vista at home	18:54
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, I hardly take pics :p	18:54
forge	I like both	18:54
Veggen	my windows box is destined to die soon, I can do it from a terminal server.	18:54
GeneralAntilles	You will once you get a DSLR	18:54
GeneralAntilles	Those things are so much fun	18:54
Navi	pfft	18:55
anidel	a Lumix 12X Leica lens is real fun :)	18:55
Veggen	GA: agreed. My 2 yr old DSLR has taken >4000 pics now.	18:56
Veggen	And I don't think that's extreme, I know people who takes way more.	18:56
KotCzarny	O.o	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Veggen, that's nothing.	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Digital is so great	18:56
GeneralAntilles	Just shoot as many pics as you want	18:56
ur	GeneralAntilles: I	18:57
KotCzarny	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017795.html	18:57
KotCzarny	lol	18:57
WorkingOnWise	does anyone have debain up on the N8x0? Does the popup keyboard work? If I had a more desktop loke linux on the IT I would have an easier time syncing with outlook	18:57
ur	GeneralAntilles: I have installed gizmo on the linux pc and registered for an account, but can not find video anywhere in the linux client user interface	18:57
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qwerty12	3-d effect:http://i27.tinypic.com/fmqgc3.jpg w00t!	18:57
GeneralAntilles	Linux hasn't gotten a 4.0 beta yet.	18:57
WorkingOnWise	or Ubuntu Fiesty maybe?	18:57
GeneralAntilles	Video is only in version 4	18:57
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KotCzarny	qwerty12: looks like too long exposure	18:58
KotCzarny	:)	18:58
GeneralAntilles	You need to steady your hand, qwerty12. ;) :P	18:58
lcuk	or stop the world	18:58
qwerty12	KotCzarny, I don't know nothing about camera's. It's modded W810 but the camera driver on here sucks, I need to get new one	18:58
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, My button seems to have broken overnight :/	18:59
qwerty12	I'll get the N80 :/	18:59
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qwerty12	(hate that phone_	18:59
ur	I can't believe there is no software to do video between n810 and linux-pc	18:59
qwerty12	s/_/)	18:59
Navi	My mom has an N80	18:59
Navi	I thought it was all right	18:59
qwerty12	It's a good phone but I don't like thickness	19:00
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	19:00
qwerty12	I need to fix the slide mechanism on it too, it's gotten loose	19:00
lcuk	ur, i can't either	19:00
Navi	Features over thickness for me	19:00
Navi	Though, I could go for an E51	19:00
GeneralAntilles	Ah, Darius in true form.	19:00
GeneralAntilles	I'd like to meet that man in real life	19:01
GeneralAntilles	I can only imagine. . . .	19:01
Navi	robotcop	19:01
qwerty12	with sharpened stick?	19:01
ur	thanks all for your help, I conclude the cam in n810 is useless	19:01
qwerty12	Took you a long time :p	19:01
simboss_	guys are there any packages to have tools like make, gcc, g++ on the n800?	19:01
qwerty12	Quality sucks anyway	19:01
qwerty12	simboss_, build-essential	19:01
Navi	dneary, I got up to the 'm's yesterday	19:01
dneary	Yay!	19:02
dneary	I thougt you were going to start at the Zs	19:02
summatusmentis	is there a way to widen the scroll bars?	19:02
dneary	So you did all the Hs	19:02
dneary	?	19:02
Navi	I did start at the Zs	19:02
qwerty12	summatusmentis, yes, check echowb	19:02
Navi	Z up to M	19:02
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simboss_	qwerty12 thanks	19:02
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simboss_	I tried to apt-get install it	19:03
Navi	>_>	19:03
simboss_	but I am getting an error	19:03
simboss_	:-(	19:03
simboss_	will dig it	19:03
Navi	There are a lot of Hs	19:03
qwerty12	I think Chinook SDK repo needs to be enabled too	19:03
simboss_	:-)	19:03
KotCzarny	more like added	19:03
KotCzarny	:)	19:03
simboss_	yeah I did it	19:03
summatusmentis	qwerty12: thanks! I'm getting my N810 tomorrow	19:03
summatusmentis	no, I lied, tonight!	19:03
qwerty12	summatusmentis, Cool :)	19:03
qwerty12	hehe, even better :p	19:03
KotCzarny	summatusmentis: optimist	19:04
qwerty12	I was so excited to be recieving my N800 :)	19:04
summatusmentis	KotCzarny: I pre-ordered yesterday, picking it up at the NokiaUSA store this evening	19:04
Navi	I was semi-excited	19:04
Navi	owning an N800 sounded like work	19:04
anidel	I was really excited.. didn't work that day	19:04
KotCzarny	summatusmentis: there will be bombing	19:04
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KotCzarny	and you won't get your nokia	19:04
KotCzarny	:)	19:04
summatusmentis	I'm excited, because it'll be usable, as compared to Angstrom on my Z >_>	19:04
qwerty12	KotCzarny. Always the optimist.	19:04
summatusmentis	KotCzarny: got I hope not	19:05
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summatusmentis	s/got/god/	19:05
infobot	summatusmentis meant: KotCzarny: god I hope not	19:05
anidel	summa: why tonight ?	19:05
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Navi	anidel, you can hit tab to tab complete a name	19:06
Veggen	Navi: work should be fun ;)	19:06
Navi	Veggen, lies!	19:06
anidel	Navi, oh.. cool :P	19:06
Veggen	at least part of the time.	19:06
summatusmentis	anidel: I'm at an OpenAFS conference, and after the conference thing today, a bunch of people are going to a pool hall thing, and I'll be right there	19:06
anidel	that's why the 'comma':D	19:06
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Navi	Only part.	19:06
anidel	summatusmentis, conference = fun :)	19:07
summatusmentis	meh, I'm a summer of code student for OpenAFS, I don't understand most of what they're talking about	19:07
anidel	Veggen, it's fun when you find the right job	19:07
Navi	Veggen, ironically, if it were fun, I wouldn't be here and the N800 would be sitting in the corner collecting dust anyways :P	19:07
Navi	fun all the time*	19:07
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anidel	summatusmentis, never used AFS.. :/	19:08
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Veggen	anidel: I have a job that's fun at least part of the time.	19:08
Navi	I've only had jobs that were fun never.	19:09
summatusmentis	anidel: it's just a distributed filesystem, I'd never heard of it until SoC. But I get to do kernel hacking, and Google is paying me :)	19:09
anidel	Veggen, me too..	19:09
Veggen	anidel: new year, I was gonna start for a small IP-telephoni-provider. open source-place.	19:09
anidel	summatusmentis, I know what it is, but never had the possibility to test it out	19:09
summatusmentis	yeah	19:09
Veggen	anidel: three days before my last day at my work (where I still am), the new place went out of business. ouch	19:09
Navi	heh	19:09
anidel	Veggen, so you're forced there still	19:09
summatusmentis	anidel: it's kinda cool, I guess. I don't have a lot of use for it, at least, not yet	19:09
Veggen	anidel: yah, but I have recovered the fun part of it.	19:10
Veggen	took a couple of months.	19:10
anidel	summatusmentis, eheh.. I knew about it because I looked at it when designing TCFS years ago	19:10
anidel	Veggen, ehehe good enough :)	19:10
summatusmentis	anidel: TCFS?	19:11
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anidel	summatusmentis, an old fs we developed (Transparent Cryptographic FileSystem)	19:11
Veggen	what I do like of it, is that it's a technologically heavy and diversed place. We're 12 people in the department that works with databases, LDAP/authorization, firewalls, some networking, some java application servers, Unix-stuff, web servers, you name it...	19:11
summatusmentis	anidel: oh... interesting :)	19:11
anidel	Veggen, so you should never be bored	19:11
Veggen	anidel: exactly.	19:12
anidel	summatusmentis, really. I even planned to port it to the tablet (it's encrypting NFS).. but never had time..	19:12
anidel	Veggen, where ?	19:12
summatusmentis	some guys here have OpenAFS proted to the tablet	19:12
anidel	AFS is still actively developed.. we stopped TCFS years ago.. unfortunately	19:13
qwerty12	summatusmentis, Saw a package in app manager somewhere	19:13
Veggen	anidel: Well. A somewhat large corporation called EDB.	19:13
summatusmentis	mm. Yeah, AFS is kind of exciting.	19:13
summatusmentis	qwerty12: yep, I met the guy who did that :)	19:13
qwerty12	Cool :)	19:13
anidel	Veggen, sorry I meant location:) US, UK, ...	19:13
Veggen	Ah, in Norway.	19:14
Veggen	(Bergen)	19:14
anidel	Veggen, was just for the sake of curiosity..	19:14
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anidel	well gotta go now.. soccer match waiting for me :D :D can't wait to play .. talk to you later guys	19:14
qwerty12	good luck	19:15
anidel	thanks	19:15
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qwerty12	Oh, hi RST38x	19:36
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dieman	yay, new omweather	19:36
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qwerty12	compiling diablo apt takes longer than dpkg :/	19:39
Navi	woo	19:40
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Navi	dneary, bleh	19:43
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dneary	Navi: I'm away now	19:43
Navi	I hate midgard. You made a commit overriding my commit	19:43
dneary	Was I blocking you?	19:43
dneary	Gah	19:43
dneary	I thought that wasn't possible?	19:43
Navi	no, you just removed the 12 lines I added	19:43
Navi	I think >_>	19:43
dneary	Do you have time to merge them?	19:44
dneary	I have to go	19:44
Navi	Of course	19:44
Navi	Bye	19:44
dneary	OK, thanks!	19:44
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dieman	http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/jalopnik/full/~3/295901741/2011-chevy-volt-to-be-priced-under-30000	19:44
dieman	ack	19:44
dieman	sorry	19:44
dieman	wrong channel	19:44
KotCzarny	it's over 9000!	19:45
KotCzarny	:)	19:45
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* qwerty12 can't remember how I removed legal message from chinook app manager :(		19:51
qwerty12	Hi RST38h	19:52
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chx	is http://www.compuplus.com/i-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-PC-02703R1-1011068~.html?sid=hm755qz0pptgg41 this a good price?	20:06
Navi	What's the price?	20:07
KotCzarny	370	20:07
chx	yeah	20:07
chx	it begins to look like a price i am willing to shell out :)	20:07
KotCzarny	+shipping	20:07
KotCzarny	(15$)	20:08
Navi	Live in the US?	20:09
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* KotCzarny does		20:09
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qwerty12	Poor guys.	20:09
KotCzarny	qwerty: define 'poor'	20:09
KotCzarny	:)	20:09
qwerty12	As in unlucky :P :)	20:09
KotCzarny	:)	20:10
chx	I don't live in the USA	20:10
KotCzarny	why unlucky	20:10
chx	but why would that be a problem.	20:10
KotCzarny	i can move to eu any day	20:10
KotCzarny	chx: shipping? :)	20:10
KotCzarny	taxes?	20:10
KotCzarny	customs?	20:10
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Stskeeps	i got 0% customs, except for VAT when importing my n800 from the US, atleast	20:11
khertan	Hi !	20:11
Stskeeps	(in .dk)	20:11
Navi	hi khertan	20:11
KotCzarny	vat is customs	20:11
KotCzarny	:>	20:11
KotCzarny	imo	20:11
qwerty12	Is it me or is ITT down?	20:12
Navi	It's you	20:12
KotCzarny	darius killed it	20:12
KotCzarny	itt	20:12
KotCzarny	:)	20:12
qwerty12	lol	20:12
chx	KotCzarny: hm. hm. uspack.eu handles shipping, that's no problems. taxes and customs, yeah i will pay a little but ... the n800 is double that here.	20:12
khertan	pdflush bug again ...	20:12
khertan	arg	20:12
khertan	so ... reflash ...	20:12
KotCzarny	chx: unlucky :>	20:12
KotCzarny	chx: order from .fi ?	20:12
KotCzarny	:)	20:12
chx	still very expensive, isn't it.	20:13
chx	how much it is in .fi?	20:13
KotCzarny	don't know	20:13
KotCzarny	but it's in .eu i think	20:13
qwerty12	Yeah, part of EU and uses Euro	20:13
* qwerty12 doesn't like Euro		20:13
khertan	doesn't like too	20:13
KotCzarny	pf	20:14
GeneralAntilles	Don't think so, khertan.	20:14
qwerty12	I'm glad we still have Pound :)	20:14
KotCzarny	all your countries are belong to nwo	20:14
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KotCzarny	qwerty12: yeah, and no privacy	20:14
KotCzarny	:>	20:14
qwerty12	Meh, Bush administration are world leaders in privacy.	20:15
KotCzarny	arm in arm with .gb	20:15
KotCzarny	:)	20:15
* KotCzarny hates globalization		20:16
term-sig	KotCzarny: bollocks.. then why u buy n800?	20:16
KotCzarny	term-sig: because it was cheap	20:16
KotCzarny	:)	20:16
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* qwerty12 loves it in g33k language that they use std as standard...		20:17
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KotCzarny	57D	20:19
qwerty12	BIG	20:19
simboss_	guys anyone here ever used swig directly on the n800?	20:19
KotCzarny	what's swig?	20:19
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simboss_	SWIG	20:19
qwerty12	A drink?	20:19
simboss_	tool to write wrappers around c++ code	20:20
simboss_	for python	20:20
simboss_	java etc....	20:20
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KotCzarny	happy hardcore ftw!	20:23
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qwerty12	ocaml not ftw. stuff's takin ages to compile	20:24
KotCzarny	what are you compiling? amule?	20:24
KotCzarny	:)	20:24
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qwerty12	v.close, mldonkey	20:25
KotCzarny	ah, yes	20:25
KotCzarny	i was thinking about mldonkey	20:25
KotCzarny	:)	20:25
KotCzarny	but since i tried amule i'm not going back	20:25
KotCzarny	:)	20:25
qwerty12	My general rule is, if something takes ages to compile, odds are that it's gonna crap out on you.	20:25
qwerty12	I'll look into amule later :)	20:25
KotCzarny	needs wxwidgets	20:26
KotCzarny	:)	20:26
qwerty12	I have that installed from messing with truecrypt iirc	20:26
KotCzarny	and it has a crazy deps (on debian)	20:26
KotCzarny	\|> Studio 33 - Depeche Mode In The Mix	20:27
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qwerty12	\|> Ludacris - Act A Fool :/	20:28
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ravious	anyone know if its possible to auto mount a sshfs share from the fstab? or perhaps on network start?	21:05
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keesj	who is this Darius	21:23
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Jaffa	keesj: a trolling fool, IMHO	21:24
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qwerty12_N800	Sounds like a joker, anyone got any of his highlights?	21:25
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Jaffa	qwerty12_N800: How about when he suggested maemo was an mS conspiracy because Reggie used a hotmail or MSN account in the ITT registration.	21:27
keesj	Also I don't really get this google group thing , the page looks like sh*t	21:27
Jaffa	s/mS/Microsoft/	21:27
infobot	Jaffa meant: qwerty12_N800: How about when he suggested maemo was an Microsoft conspiracy because Reggie used a hotmail or MSN account in the ITT registration.	21:27
qwerty12_N800	i had to lol :/	21:27
RST38h	Jaffa: Who was that?	21:27
RST38h	the meanwhile guy?	21:28
Jaffa	RST38h: Darius Jack or somesuch	21:28
keesj	bad karma[tm]	21:28
RST38h	Jaffa: Next time, direct him here: http://www.flexyx.com/A/Aminazin.html	21:29
Jaffa	heh	21:31
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roope	Yeah, Darius is a classic. :)	21:32
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RST38h	btw, is the meanwhile guy still kicking?	21:33
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Yjo	any one in the UK here?	21:34
qwerty12_N800	Darius was funny, meanwhile was annoyingly stupid.	21:34
qwerty12_N800	I am :/	21:34
Jaffa	Not seen him recently	21:34
* Jaffa UK too		21:34
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Yjo	I'm looking to ask a cheeky offtopic about which mobile provider to go with to use as a modem for my N800...	21:34
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Jaffa	Currently speeding through - err - Northamptonshire on the West Coast Mainline	21:35
Yjo	i dont want to pay £++ for kB--. any ideas?	21:35
roope	it's a bit sad that there is generally a strong correlation between some person being especially passionate about something and the same person being really wrong about it.	21:35
Jaffa	Yjo: if you want lots of data, 3 have good deals. As does T-Mobile	21:36
* Jaffa very very strongly agrees with roope		21:36
Yjo	Jaffa: do they let you use it through DUN/bluetooth? I know some providers distringuish phone browsing and external data, if they even allow the latter	21:37
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Jaffa	Yjo: they both do AIUI. I'm on Vodafone at the moment, wouldn't not recommend them, but wouldn't recommend them either	21:38
Yjo	Jaffa: ok, thanks. Am with 3 atm, but amn't much impressed	21:39
Jaffa	Ah, fair enuf	21:39
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fadec	does anyone know the earliest version of maemo to support GtkBuilder? It's undefined in the gtk+2.0 2:2.6.10-1.osso23 version of libgtk2.0-0 that's on Gregale.	21:44
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fadec	And it's there on chinook	21:44
fadec	i guess it would be the earlies to support 2.12 of gtk	21:45
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EruditeHermit	hey, does anyone know what software is needed to make camera flip and startup internet call on camera pop out work on an n800	21:57
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EruditeHermit	and is it possible to damage the camera so that it doesn't detect the pop out or rotate	22:07
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corevette	i want to install maemo 2007 HE...which image do i pick....1st, 2nd, 3rd or latest image?	22:10
qwerty12_N800	This is pure guess but my logic says the latest.	22:11
solmumaha	unless latest means 2008he	22:12
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qwerty12_N800	Fair enough	22:12
corevette	should i use 2008 hacked edition?	22:12
solmumaha	i recommend latest 2007he	22:13
corevette	so latest 2007 he or 2006? is 2006 more stable?	22:13
EruditeHermit	2007	22:13
corevette	is it more stable EruditeHermit ?	22:14
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EruditeHermit	I haven't used either but 2007 is supposed to be an improvement and it was also tested for a long time unlike 2008HE	22:14
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summatusmentis	what is hacked edition? what does that entail?	22:14
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summatusmentis	penguinbait: you did the KDE thing, right?	22:15
qwerty12_N800	summatusmentis, It's dodgy rlses for 770 :p	22:15
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summatusmentis	qwerty12_N800: oh, only for 770? ok	22:15
penguinbait	nice eh!	22:15
summatusmentis	what's nice?	22:15
penguinbait	KDE	22:16
qwerty12_N800	As soon as i get round to repartitioning my cards, i must install kde off mmc :)	22:16
summatusmentis	oh, I haven't used it, I'm getting my N810 tonight	22:16
summatusmentis	but I was wondering how usable it is	22:16
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penguinbait	http://penguinbait.com/zelda.png	22:17
penguinbait	i am using it right now	22:17
penguinbait	810 much better than 800	22:17
penguinbait	but it works good to	22:17
NullM0dem	nice	22:17
NullM0dem	looks good penguinbait	22:17
penguinbait	just put out new version last night	22:18
summatusmentis	penguinbait: how slow is it?	22:18
NullM0dem	I love my n810, make sure you reformat the internal card.	22:18
penguinbait	it has a slightly long load time but once up works grezt	22:19
summatusmentis	hmm	22:19
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summatusmentis	I'm looking for a working office suite	22:19
summatusmentis	I'm ok to let it load for a while	22:19
penguinbait	7-10 seconds to start konqueror	22:19
qwerty12_N800	lifeguard would reboot my n800 sometimes in kde :/	22:19
NullM0dem	penguinbait: how much of a hit does battery life take switching away from maemo?	22:20
summatusmentis	penguinbait: but it's full konq?	22:20
qwerty12_N800	s/lifeguard/watchdog	22:20
summatusmentis	intriguing	22:20
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penguinbait	full kde with koffice and cups	22:20
penguinbait	hahaha	22:20
penguinbait	its a freaking litttle linux box	22:20
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* NullM0dem <3 n810		22:21
summatusmentis	koffice doesn't support MS formats :-/	22:21
summatusmentis	penguinbait: what version of KDE is it?	22:21
penguinbait	3.5.8	22:22
penguinbait	qt I think 3.3.8	22:22
summatusmentis	oh, any plans to go to 4?	22:22
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penguinbait	no time soon	22:23
summatusmentis	mm	22:23
penguinbait	lets see what nokia does	22:23
summatusmentis	oh, they just bought trolltech, that's right	22:23
summatusmentis	I keep forgetting the N810 has 2GB internal	22:24
RST38h	kde must be dead slow on n810	22:26
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qwerty12_N800	It's not bad	22:26
qwerty12_N800	Not brilliant either though but i wasn't booting from sd	22:26
penguinbait	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20317	22:26
penguinbait	if you want to install	22:27
starkmjolk	I got my 8GB mini-SD today, now just waiting for the n810 to arrive too :)	22:28
* qwerty12_N800 really needs to figure out how to add lcuk's cpufreq mod to acmonitor		22:29
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NullM0dem	starkmjolk: what miniSD did you buy?	22:29
NullM0dem	im about to look for one myself	22:29
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penguinbait	I am heard the 16gb microsdhc due out in june	22:30
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NullM0dem	yes!	22:30
summatusmentis	newegg only has the minisd cards up to 2gb	22:30
NullM0dem	i htought i saw a patriot 8gb there last week :()	22:31
starkmjolk	NullM0dem: ebay, OEM 8GB 150x card	22:31
NullM0dem	one of the comments said it worked well on the n810	22:31
summatusmentis	I might just go microsd, and then use the minisd adaptor	22:31
penguinbait	I am stkcking with micro, so they will go into whatever hardware comes next	22:31
starkmjolk	I had problem finding fast microsd cards	22:31
penguinbait	hopefully	22:31
summatusmentis	oh, I was just looking at the mini sd, not sdhc	22:32
NullM0dem	I have always liked the idea of carrying thousands of book on my body <3	22:33
summatusmentis	there are 4GB micro sdhc cards on newegg for < $20!	22:33
NullM0dem	if you realistically coverd your self with sd cards filled with books, how much do you think you could carry on person?	22:33
starkmjolk	I payed $34 + shipping for the 8GB	22:34
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starkmjolk	that came out here right? (:	22:35
summatusmentis	all the 8GB ones are > $50	22:35
starkmjolk	4GB is equivalent price to about $80 here in sweden, 8GB doesn't even exist :)	22:36
summatusmentis	really?	22:36
starkmjolk	yes	22:36
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starkmjolk	25% VAT + normal higher euro price + very weak USD	22:37
summatusmentis	why are the euro prices higher?	22:37
starkmjolk	= makes a very good case for personal imports :)	22:37
lopz	hi ;)	22:38
starkmjolk	because all corporations around the world hates euroland? I don't know really, just always are	22:38
summatusmentis	weird	22:38
summatusmentis	hi lopz	22:38
starkmjolk	hi :)	22:38
lopz	;[	22:38
NullM0dem	how does one change thier text color in xchat	22:38
qwerty12_N800	from the grey? no idea :/	22:39
summatusmentis	hold on, I used to know	22:39
NullM0dem	i opened the window at my desk and cannot see what i write	22:39
starkmjolk	am I the only one in here not on an internet tablet btw? :)	22:39
summatusmentis	preferences -> colors?	22:39
summatusmentis	starkmjolk: no, I'm on my macbook	22:40
qwerty12_N800	starkmjolk, Probably not ;) :p	22:40
starkmjolk	k. :)	22:40
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lcuk	qwerty12_N800, what do you mean add it? i've been using it now for a couple of weeks, and its not quite perfect	22:41
lcuk	there is something missing, and i think i am going to need to make myself a proper full addin with ui to configure and set it up	22:42
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, I'm a noob, i shoved the code into the acmonitor.c and compiled it and nothing happened. i don't blame your code.	22:42
lcuk	lol ahhh..	22:43
lcuk	even if you got it running, the modification i made was designed to do absolutely zero unless i manually configured it	22:44
qwerty12_N800	i'm probably gonna try making it use a gconf value, be easier on me	22:44
qwerty12_N800	ah	22:44
lcuk	but now i have been using it its still lacking. i need to learn about proper hardware events - there is no point in running at performance speed even if charging if the device itself is locked	22:45
RST38h	X-FadeL Still here?	22:45
RST38h	X-Fade: Just tried updating SSH key and then dput - it still fails	22:45
qwerty12_N800	kaput	22:45
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qwerty12_N800	sorry, couldn't resist	22:46
RST38h	yep	22:46
RST38h	One thing I know for sure is that I am NEVER changing that key again	22:46
RST38h	Security or not.	22:46
qwerty12_N800	heh. anyone know if you can make mce run a program on shutdown?	22:47
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LoCusF	anyone else getting "Failed to write hash table" while installing the latest statusbarclock?	23:01
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qwerty12_N800	Large or normal?	23:01
LoCusF	large	23:01
qwerty12_N800	Ah, haven't tried it yet	23:02
LoCusF	ah, I had too little disk space	23:02
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AmirZod	folks, hello	23:04
AmirZod	I'm been trying to find out if the normal PIM can be done and how on N810 before considering purchasing	23:04
AmirZod	calendaring, addressbook, notes and email	23:05
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AmirZod	can it be synced (how) with a desktop linux (what application)	23:05
starkmjolk	good question :) mine is ordered and will arrive within a few days I hope :)	23:06
starkmjolk	clawsmail should take care of the email part just fine	23:06
starkmjolk	as for the rest, I don't know yet. I'll find out as time goes. :)	23:06
qwerty12_N800	or modest (default in diablo)	23:06
starkmjolk	ah, right.	23:06
AmirZod	starkmjolk - where would you post your findings?	23:07
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starkmjolk	as planned, nowhere :(	23:08
qwerty12_N800	Claws is more powerful but Modest is much more suited to the tablet.	23:08
AmirZod	:-(	23:08
starkmjolk	and I'm basically full scheduled till 9th of june so no strong efforts before then I'm affraid	23:08
AmirZod	I just don't want to go back to Palm TX, if I have another choice	23:09
AmirZod	as a PIM	23:09
AmirZod	and other niceties	23:09
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starkmjolk	qwerty12_N800: does either have a decent address book? somewhat like evolution under gnome?	23:09
qwerty12_N800	Not sure, never used claws personally but i'll check modest	23:10
starkmjolk	ah, thanks :)	23:11
starkmjolk	my n810 was sent from china monday so should be here early next week, I'll find out for sure then anyway :P	23:11
starkmjolk	just curious :)	23:11
qwerty12_N800	Well diablo's modest opens the built in address book which sucks :p	23:12
AmirZod	where to get reasonable prices on N810?	23:12
qwerty12_N800	There is gpe with google syncing	23:12
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starkmjolk	gpe as the one in familiar linux?	23:13
summatusmentis	yep	23:13
summatusmentis	qwerty12_N800: I assume you mean gpe-calendar	23:13
qwerty12_N800	yes, graham cobb packages	23:14
starkmjolk	has that been updated since 1993? :P	23:14
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summatusmentis	does it matter if it works?	23:14
summatusmentis	I think GPE still has upstream and stuff	23:14
starkmjolk	not really for the calendar part, but I just remember the frustration with my iPAQ a few years ago. of course most of the faults where to blame on HP though :)	23:15
summatusmentis	using GPE as an env is annoying...	23:15
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RST38h	IT WORKED IT WORKED	23:23
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Cptnodegard	viagra?	23:25
* Cptnodegard runs		23:25
starkmjolk	;)	23:25
qwerty12_N800	lmao	23:26
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RST38h	Cptn: dput	23:31
Cptnodegard	is that an insult or what was really working?	23:31
Cptnodegard	:D	23:31
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huats	Hi guys	23:32
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qwerty12_N800	I still like viagra idea better. I need to go to Canada to viagra falls :p	23:33
qwerty12_N800	*to see	23:33
Cptnodegard	dick -vv	23:33
huats	Does anyone of you know if there is a new place for the like the gronmayer page for repositories since this one seems broken ?	23:33
qwerty12_N800	<============================	23:33
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qwerty12_N800	huats, no :( but you see google cache	23:34
qwerty12_N800	you can see*	23:34
huats	broken too... qwerty12_N800	23:34
huats	:	23:34
huats	(	23:34
huats	I mean the page is alse broken on the cache	23:35
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qwerty12_N800	Hmm, i found working one few days ago but forgot how :(	23:35
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qwerty12_N800	Any package in particular?	23:35
huats	:(	23:35
huats	not really	23:35
huats	I just broke my scratchbox	23:35
huats	and I want to put it in with a fews stuffs more than the one I have	23:36
huats	..	23:36
huats	can you pastebin your ?	23:36
* qwerty12_N800 is on 15th install		23:36
RST38h	Heh, that has been N810 finally making wifi connection	23:36
qwerty12_N800	don't really have any repos :/	23:36
huats	:)	23:36
huats	ok	23:36
RST38h	qwerty: still installing sb?	23:36
qwerty12_N800	RST38h, no	23:37
huats	I need the repo that gives python2.5	23:37
huats	at least	23:37
huats	...	23:37
qwerty12_N800	I need to figure out how to get 2008 toolchain to work though	23:37
qwerty12_N800	huats, search pymaemo	23:37
qwerty12_N800	it's in extras	23:38
penguinbait	sweet kopete is using flite and reading everything that is typed	23:38
huats	qwerty12_N800: thx	23:40
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qwerty12_N800	seeing as i'm stealing lcuk's ideas, i'll make the cpufreq run in powersave when booting from charger at initfs time	23:41
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huats	qwerty12_N800: is it just me who cannot update my available packages ?	23:55
huats	apparently garage.maemo.org is not respondig to apt-get update ?	23:55
qwerty12_N800	garage isn't a repo	23:55
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huats	qwerty12_N800: sorry	23:57
huats	I was meaning : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/	23:57
qwerty12_N800	hmm, i'll try updating my repos on my n800	23:57
huats	ok	23:58
huats	thanks	23:58
Blastur	hehe,.. ive just spent the last 1½ hour outside trying to get fix with the n810 gps	23:58
Blastur	it's _impossible_	23:58
Cptnodegard	lmao	23:58
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Cptnodegard	get a BT one	23:58
Blastur	at one point i was at 75% fix (maemo mapper)	23:58
Cptnodegard	i normally get a fix withint 10-20 sec	23:58
Blastur	but then it started moving backwards ;)	23:58
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Cptnodegard	lol!	23:59
Blastur	well, i would rather return the entire unit	23:59
starkmjolk	anyone know what GPS chipset is on the n810?	23:59
Blastur	something is seriously broken	23:59
Cptnodegard	get a n800	23:59
Cptnodegard	the gps is fine when its a real one and not the integrated shit. only heard bad things about it	23:59

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