| KotCzarny | grib: for testing | 00:00 |
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| cyberholic | no wait! i mean, flash can play midis! | 00:00 |
| lcuk | but my cats ears are pricking and the kids are complaining so i will assume its working | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | lol, lcuk, you're deaf! | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | so early.. | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:00 |
| lcuk | i can hear them really, but they are at upper bounds, i have to turn speakers up more to hear them normally | 00:00 |
| * lcuk alters the tone | 00:01 | |
| lcuk | ahhhh damn kids | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | deafness doesn't happen in one moment | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | it decreases gradually your ability to hear | 00:01 |
| cyberholic | geeeeesus! i am not going to respond on that "drummachine" thread at ITT - it is from LAST YEAR! *sigh* .... Last year is so... is sooooo old! | 00:01 |
| cyberholic | lol | 00:01 |
| lcuk | it did for my missus, she is exactly 50% deaf | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: so what? it will notify people that were subscribed to it | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | and bump it | 00:02 |
| cyberholic | i know, i was just kidding. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | it may reawaken their urges to play drums | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 00:02 |
| lcuk | which they will do for 5 minutes before carrying on whatever they did | 00:02 |
| lcuk | happy in the knowledge their lifes achievement of playing drums on their 810 is complete | 00:02 |
| cyberholic | lol :) | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | |> DMT (remix 2) - Shpongle (bootleg) | 00:03 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: i can add Levels to it! | 00:03 |
| flo_lap | re | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | incidentally, why do i have to kick tom? | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic, yeah, making simon game out of drums is nice | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
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| cyberholic | kot: i have that on my to-do list already :) | 00:04 |
| cyberholic | looooooooool! i played around with my drummachine and for a moment i went mad and thought i was playing something from Sepultura! | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a techno freak anyway | 00:07 |
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| cyberholic | maybe i can optimized the speed of the drummachine if someone of you could tell me what the best sound quality would be, or is that of no matter to the device? | 00:12 |
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| elb | AStorm: suck (broken plugs) | 00:13 |
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| AStorm | elb: hmm? | 00:14 |
| AStorm | yup, they do suck | 00:14 |
| AStorm | that's why I'm seeking to convert USB to charge my Nxxx | 00:15 |
| elb | what broke, exactly? | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, just make an adapter? | 00:15 |
| AStorm | that flimsy 5V plug | 00:15 |
| elb | what *part* of the plug? | 00:15 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no! it'd still have the junk plug | 00:15 |
| elb | mine doesn't seem flimsy at all | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: straight angle adapter | 00:15 |
| AStorm | elb: the plug itself :> | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:15 |
| AStorm | elb: metal part | 00:16 |
| AStorm | and plastic too | 00:16 |
| AStorm | junk | 00:16 |
| AStorm | and twice | 00:16 |
| elb | huh | 00:16 |
| AStorm | one weekly | 00:16 |
| AStorm | so, I'll find out which is 5V and which is ground | 00:16 |
| elb | seems improbable to me | 00:16 |
| elb | that's labeled on the wall wart | 00:17 |
| AStorm | .... | 00:17 |
| elb | (by law) | 00:17 |
| AStorm | the 5V broke | 00:17 |
| AStorm | not the 220V plug | 00:17 |
| elb | yes ... but the polarity of the 5v plug is labeled on the wall wart | 00:17 |
| elb | look at it | 00:17 |
| AStorm | ... | 00:17 |
| AStorm | which wall wart? | 00:17 |
| AStorm | in the device? ;P | 00:17 |
| elb | the 220v end | 00:17 |
| elb | there should be a label with a little diagram of a ring and pin | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's not the problem | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
| elb | and it will say which is + and which is -, as well as the voltage and amperage | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | the real problem is that i broke | 00:18 |
| AStorm | nopes | 00:18 |
| elb | huh | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | and he doesn't want do have anything with that nokia's plug anymore | 00:18 |
| AStorm | voltage and amperage are there | 00:18 |
| * elb looks at his | 00:18 | |
| elb | KotCzarny: right, but he's trying to identify polarity | 00:18 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:19 |
| AStorm | usb only has +5V | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | ah, i see | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | sorry :) | 00:19 |
| AStorm | so the other has to be GND | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | and no, it's not labelled | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | at least not on mine | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | but usualyy + is in the center | 00:19 |
| AStorm | I think the pin is live, the sleeve is GND | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | and - is on the outside | 00:19 |
| elb | huh, mine's not labeled, either ... maybe because it's a european import? | 00:19 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | mine is us version | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | made in china | 00:20 |
| elb | normally the tip is +5 and the ring is ground, but you can't count on that | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | (charger) | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:20 |
| elb | yeah, mine is the US version as well | 00:20 |
| elb | but normally things in teh US are labeled | 00:20 |
| AStorm | elb: that's why I'll check | 00:20 |
| elb | in fact, I thought UL required it | 00:20 |
| AStorm | it's easy to do once I broke the plug ;P | 00:20 |
| elb | but this has a UL logo on it | 00:20 |
| elb | and no diagram | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | interestingly enough regular phone charger also is missing diagram | 00:20 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:20 |
| cyberholic | do you guys think that i can destroy the device loudspeakers with the drummachine? If i play multiple drums for a while the loudspeaker sounds like "its time to say goodbye old boy!" | 00:21 |
| AStorm | that's because it's non-mandatory | 00:21 |
| cyberholic | Astorm: the loudspeakers? | 00:21 |
| elb | AStorm: for at least some equipment, it's mandatory in the US | 00:21 |
| elb | I thought it was for all wall warts | 00:21 |
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| elb | but perhaps only if they carry a certain amount of power or some crap | 00:21 |
| elb | well, mandatory in some locales -- but in practice that means everywhere, because it's not like companies make different parts for CA or MA or whatever states are the problem ;-) | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | elb: as i said, mine is us version | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | and is missing diagram as well | 00:22 |
| elb | it's pretty normal to have a little logo that looks like -Co- where the o is inside the C | 00:22 |
| elb | KotCzarny: as I said, mine is too | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
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| elb | KotCzarny: and also not labeled | 00:22 |
| elb | KotCzarny: but ... this is atypical | 00:22 |
| AStorm | the construction of the 5V plug is suicide ;> | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | not for nokia | 00:23 |
| AStorm | it's two rings | 00:23 |
| cyberholic | does anyone of you know REST? | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | as i said other nokia's phone charger is missing it too | 00:23 |
| AStorm | cyberholic: I don't | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: change your nick name | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | because you're not true to it | 00:23 |
| cyberholic | Kot: why? | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | asking such questions | 00:23 |
| cyberholic | *lol* | 00:23 |
| elb | yeah, nokia sucks, apparently ;-) | 00:24 |
| cyberholic | Man, i am so much into XML and think that i am falling in love with REST but i do not know how to parse it within php | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | elb: maybe it's nda ;) | 00:24 |
| elb | I just looked at my Nintendo DS wall wart, a Motorola phone wall wart, a clock power adapter, and a GameCube inline wart | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:24 |
| elb | all of them are labeled | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | i have thought you are talking about physical rest | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| elb | it's just Nokia ;-) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | stupid name for a project | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | or language | 00:24 |
| cyberholic | Kot: nope, the SOAP / REST thing going on | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | first time i have heard about 'rest' | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:25 |
| cyberholic | elb: well, the most easiest way to find out the power is to wetten your finger and touch it - i think. | 00:25 |
| cyberholic | Kot :) | 00:25 |
| AStorm | drat, I've to write some AJAX with SOAP (mwhahaha) for Wednesday | 00:25 |
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| KotCzarny | checking with multimeter is simpler | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | and ore correct | 00:25 |
| cyberholic | AStorm: aint that nearly the same? | 00:26 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: indeed | 00:26 |
| AStorm | cyberholic: no | 00:26 |
| cyberholic | ok :[ | 00:26 |
| AStorm | SOAP is a protocol | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | *more | 00:26 |
| AStorm | AJAX is just a technique | 00:26 |
| cyberholic | like for parsing, right? | 00:26 |
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| KotCzarny | both are abbreviations | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:26 |
| AStorm | uh, it's simpler | 00:26 |
| AStorm | Adv. JavaScript and XML | 00:26 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: and both are washing products :P | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | apache/js/a?/xml | 00:27 |
| AStorm | or cleaning | 00:27 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: Advanced JavaScript And XML | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | forgot what was second 'a' for | 00:27 |
| AStorm | nah | 00:27 |
| AStorm | Asynchronous JavaScript and XML | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | Ajax (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) | 00:27 |
| AlbertoP_ | Good afternoon .... I have a Nokia 770 running latest OS 2006 .. My question is: Is ther a way to make a FULL BACKUP of the OS partition (from a Linux PC) so I can make my own modified .bin and whenever I need to reinstall the system, I already have a full operating copy and don't need to install the Nokia .bin and start installing all the apps .... ? | 00:27 |
| AStorm | that's the correct one | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | 2006 isn't latest | 00:28 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: sure, it's called rsync | 00:28 |
| AStorm | :-) | 00:28 |
| AlbertoP_ | lastest of OS2006 ... ;) (49-2, I think) | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | alberto: with some hacking, probably | 00:28 |
| AStorm | also, you can backup using the flasher program | 00:28 |
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| AStorm | thus create a .bin | 00:28 |
| AlbertoP_ | the flasher program for linux, you mean ? | 00:28 |
| AlbertoP_ | (I have used the Nokia flasher for Windowze so far only) | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, anyone knows where fluxbox stores window positions? | 00:30 |
| AlbertoP_ | AStorm, you mean the flasher utility for Linux, right ? | 00:30 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | nvm, found it | 00:30 |
| AlbertoP_ | cool, will check it out .... | 00:31 |
| AlbertoP_ | thanks | 00:31 |
| AStorm | it is really more powerful than the doze version | 00:31 |
| pupnik | Returns: The LCD Panel or TV Clock setting in Hz | 00:31 |
| pupnik | UInt32 seClkGetPanelClk (void) | 00:31 |
| pupnik | wonder if we can access the lcd controller directly | 00:31 |
| pupnik | http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40 | 00:31 |
| AlbertoP_ | So far I have only nneded to send the BIN file to the 770 ... but will swithc then ;) | 00:31 |
| pupnik | http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=145&Itemid=40 | 00:31 |
| AStorm | elb: how large a diode would I likely need to prevent USB burn? ;> | 00:32 |
| AlbertoP_ | I hav not been able to find tcpdump nor btscanner for OS2006.... (eko1 repository is gone) ... ay other repositories with those packages or DEBs ? | 00:32 |
| AStorm | 5V/1A? | 00:32 |
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| lopz | re | 00:33 |
| elb | AStorm: I don't understand the question ... what are you wanting to do with a diode, and why? | 00:33 |
| elb | you can't expect to pull more than 500mA off a USB bus safely, period | 00:33 |
| AStorm | connect USB port power to the nokia power | 00:33 |
| AStorm | I know | 00:33 |
| AStorm | that's enough for power circuitry of N810 | 00:33 |
| AStorm | it will struggle a bit, but work and charge correctly | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | elb: many products break that rule | 00:34 |
| elb | KotCzarny: that doesn't make it safe, or a good idea | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | mostly those charging related | 00:34 |
| AStorm | fairly advanced power regulator it has | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 00:34 |
| AlbertoP_ | 770 charges at 890mA | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | but some people will just do that | 00:34 |
| elb | that's fine, I won't ;-) | 00:34 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: nah, it can easily grab more | 00:34 |
| elb | and I don't understand what a diode is supposed to do with the price of cheese | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | and then manufacturers see the trend | 00:34 |
| fysa | safe?? | 00:34 |
| AStorm | elb: I can put a regulator to not overdrive the port | 00:34 |
| fysa | nothing is going to explode. | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | and hopefully fix the design | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
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| AlbertoP_ | I know, but is what the adapter is designed to give ... | 00:35 |
| AStorm | fysa: yeah, only the laptop can burn ;P | 00:35 |
| elb | fysa: you could damage the USB host adapter | 00:35 |
| fysa | have you damaged one personally? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | he avoids such risks | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| fysa | in the last 5 years? | 00:35 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 00:35 |
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| AStorm | most have proper regulators | 00:35 |
| elb | no, and it may even be extremely unlikely -- there are a relatively small number of adapter manufacturers | 00:35 |
| elb | but that doesn't change the fact that you're violating spec | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | so it should be a question for someone that actually did it | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| AStorm | elb: I can put a limiter | 00:36 |
| AStorm | no problem with that | 00:36 |
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| KotCzarny | ie. pulled more than allowed current | 00:36 |
| elb | AStorm: go for it | 00:36 |
| AStorm | N810 *will* work on 500 mA | 00:36 |
| elb | just don't expect a diode to do that for you ;-) | 00:36 |
| fysa | it's not like USB was just released.. although non-standard, everyone is aware of this by now and I would take it as an exception to have a problem. | 00:36 |
| AStorm | diode was to prevent backflow | 00:36 |
| AlbertoP_ | If you really want to know the aperage rating of your personal IT, plug it through a normal 2A charger, and measure the current it is pulling out ..... | 00:36 |
| AStorm | to not destroy the USB if I connect power input ;P | 00:36 |
| lcuk | 500ma which usb supplies is under spec, but you can currently buy USB->Nokia Power adapter cable kits which work | 00:36 |
| AlbertoP_ | Then you know how much it is going to be asking of your USB port | 00:36 |
| elb | fysa: if everyone is aware of it, then all devices should pull no more than 500mA ;-) | 00:36 |
| AStorm | lcuk: exactly | 00:36 |
| ImMelody | has anyone else used the homewifilevel? | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | the only problem i see with your method is that you are jacking onto the usb OTG port which will attempt to communicate with the host device and tell it it only needs 100ma max (which is the USB OTG spec) | 00:37 |
| AlbertoP_ | Well, that is just an average ... you need to test at maximum usage (brightest screen, wifi on, bluetooth on, etc .... | 00:37 |
| AStorm | lcuk: hmmhmm | 00:37 |
| AStorm | now that would be the problem | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i believe to prevent that you would need to disable your actual usb which would be folly | 00:38 |
| AStorm | and that's why I'm reading the spec | 00:38 |
| AStorm | lcuk: not folly, just simple | 00:38 |
| elb | in order to pull > 100mA you're *supposed* to negotiate | 00:38 |
| elb | (many devices do not) | 00:38 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 00:38 |
| AStorm | the spec says SHOULD | 00:39 |
| AStorm | :> | 00:39 |
| lcuk | the negotiation is part of the spec, no device can supply over 100ma until AFTER the negotiation | 00:39 |
| elb | actually, it says MUST | 00:39 |
| AStorm | guess what that means | 00:39 |
| AStorm | elb: let me check | 00:39 |
| AStorm | lcuk: ARGH | 00:39 |
| AlbertoP_ | That is what my motorola cell phone does to charge of the USB port (through miniUSB connector) | 00:39 |
| elb | lcuk: a lot of devices do, though | 00:39 |
| elb | it's easier to simply be prepared to push 500mA on every port, then to actually switch it | 00:39 |
| elb | still, I feel I should point it out :-) | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:40 |
| AStorm | better to be prepared for 1A | 00:40 |
| AStorm | ;P | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | or more | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:40 |
| AStorm | some devices sure are power hungry | 00:40 |
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| AStorm | some take two ports | 00:40 |
| lcuk | of course you are prepared to do that, but if you do before its ready then you will fry anything which touches the port immediately | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | i was happily running 1A hdd off my thinkpad usb port | 00:40 |
| elb | yes, normally devices which need much more than 500mA use more than one port | 00:40 |
| AStorm | lcuk: yeah sure | 00:40 |
| lcuk | the host device cannot assume 500ma directly because that would blow a lot of lesser devices | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, it gets that much during spinning start | 00:41 |
| lcuk | i have a 100ma keyboard | 00:41 |
| AlbertoP_ | I hav not been able to find tcpdump nor btscanner for OS2006.... (eko1 repository is gone) ... ay other repositories with those packages or DEBs ? | 00:41 |
| AStorm | lcuk: it's autoregulating | 00:41 |
| AStorm | so if there is higher load, it will be given | 00:41 |
| elb | some devices refuse to charge unless they *can* negotiate | 00:41 |
| lcuk | yer, when the magic smoke appears the device stops pulling | 00:41 |
| elb | I think ipods do | 00:41 |
| elb | more devices should be so compliant :-P | 00:41 |
| AStorm | lcuk: rotfl | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | al bertop: gronmayer.com/it/ | 00:41 |
| lcuk | correct elb, ipods cannot charge without intelligent device | 00:41 |
| AStorm | :-| | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | computers operate on smoke | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:42 |
| AStorm | I wonder what does that Nokia charger do | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | once the smoke gets out they stop working | 00:42 |
| lcuk | that charger isnt a usb | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:42 |
| lcuk | or are you on about another one | 00:42 |
| AStorm | lcuk: dummy, the USB charger | 00:42 |
| AlbertoP_ | KotCz..: thanks | 00:42 |
| AStorm | Stupid Nokia could've just built that in :> | 00:43 |
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| elb | I suspect if the device drew <500mA, they would have | 00:43 |
| AStorm | but then they'd get complaints like "the device is barely charging" | 00:43 |
| lcuk | nahhh i would hate to have to open kickstand to charge, or unplug keyboard etc | 00:44 |
| lcuk | this isnt just a phone where you can just have possibly 1 connector | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, no other Nokia device uses USB for charging. | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, not a problem if it was included in the place of the current charger port | 00:44 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: all new phones do ;P | 00:44 |
| lcuk | my phone does, but it is also a full sync etc | 00:44 |
| AStorm | Chinese now require that | 00:44 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, 2 usb ports? | 00:44 |
| elb | I'm wondering if they just send AStorm extra crappy plugs or something | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, why 2? | 00:44 |
| elb | because I really don't see a way to break this one short of some serious effort | 00:44 |
| AlbertoP_ | A DIY kit, made out of three AA batteries with around 3000mAh should give charge to the IT replacing around four hours of outlet charge ..... and just carry around (on trips) the battery recharger ... (15minute one from Rayovac) | 00:44 |
| lcuk | because i would have to keep unplugging my memory stick or my keyboard or whatever was plugged in just to charge it | 00:45 |
| AStorm | elb: just horizontal force | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
| AStorm | not too large, even | 00:45 |
| elb | yeah ... not seeing it | 00:45 |
| AStorm | rotational will do the same even quicker | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: ok, that's an argument | 00:45 |
| elb | I mean, I'm not goign to plug it into the tablet and smash down on it or anything | 00:45 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:45 |
| elb | but it's a relatively short lever and pretty well-built | 00:45 |
| AStorm | I didn't do that either | 00:45 |
| AStorm | that's why it fails | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | though i don't use any usb devices withh IT n | 00:46 |
| AStorm | because it's short | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | so 1 will be enough for me | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| lcuk | but its there for a reason | 00:46 |
| AlbertoP_ | Even easier, just take a couple wires directly from your laptop's battery and plug your tablet there ;):P | 00:46 |
| lcuk | i agree though kot, it should OPTIONALLY use usb for charging | 00:46 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: and fry it with 14.2V? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | ontop of the current chrager | 00:46 |
| AStorm | no, sorry | 00:46 |
| AlbertoP_ | zener diode ;) | 00:46 |
| elb | you think it would be stronger if it were *longer*? | 00:46 |
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| AStorm | AlbertoP_: and fry the diode or waste power? rotfl | 00:46 |
| AlbertoP_ | SCR ;):P | 00:47 |
| AlbertoP_ | hahaha | 00:47 |
| AStorm | just build a real step-down | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | i would like to make an extended battery pack which basically extended the back by a few mm, it can have its own charging port wherever and be constantly plugged into nokia | 00:47 |
| elb | switching regulators are almost free | 00:47 |
| AlbertoP_ | I got an EE degree some thousand years ago, heheheh | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | elb: exactly | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: we were thinking about NiMH battery pack | 00:48 |
| lcuk | like this: >>> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9713850-1.html | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, everything you need is to check what voltage is required for charging | 00:48 |
| AStorm | 4x NiMH | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if it would work on anything lesser than 5V | 00:48 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: 3,7V, d'oh | 00:48 |
| AStorm | it's on the battery | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: but nokia has charging circuitry | 00:48 |
| AStorm | it has a smart charge circuit built in apparently | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | it's not connected directly to battery | 00:49 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, the battery has inside | 00:49 |
| lcuk | if make up the voltage in series, ampage in parallel. just work out whats acceptable and fill the space | 00:49 |
| elb | NiMH AAs will provide *plenty* of amperage | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: have you actually tried plugging anything other than original charger? | 00:49 |
| AlbertoP_ | ok, I amn going, thanks for the help ... bye | 00:49 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: no :> | 00:50 |
| AStorm | I don't have a spare yet | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: tell me when you do | 00:50 |
| AStorm | elb: sure | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | right now we are speculating :) | 00:50 |
| lcuk | BBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | i would be interested in external battery pack too | 00:50 |
| AStorm | we just don't know if 4,8V will be enough | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | 4x AA seems nice | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:50 |
| elb | that, I of course can't tell you | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | anyone with a broken plug ? | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:50 |
| elb | but ... switching power supplies are almost free! ;-) | 00:50 |
| lcuk | theres plenty of those battery extender chargers around | 00:50 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I have one ;P | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: care to try? | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:51 |
| AStorm | lcuk: exactly, it must be simple | 00:51 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: but it's broken in a wrong way :-( | 00:51 |
| gribouille | what good yexy editors are available for the tavblet ? | 00:51 |
| gribouille | text editors | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | define 'photo' ? | 00:51 |
| AStorm | gribouille: text? like, vim? | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | 'wrong' | 00:51 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's the plug that's broken, not the cable | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | grib: i believe there was an abiword port | 00:51 |
| lcuk | astorm, most devices will work under voltage. its just like a torch, if you replace normal AAs with rechargables you get a slightly dimmer light but it works | 00:51 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: crashy like hell ;P | 00:51 |
| lcuk | just get clsoe enough to the voltage (keeping under) and try it | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, but you can put it inside and silder wires to it? | 00:52 |
| AStorm | lcuk: let's hope so ;P | 00:52 |
| gribouille | AStorm, I dont find vim well adapted for the tablet because of all the commands that need a lot of typing | 00:52 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I smell sparks... ;P | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | *solder | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | under voltage == so what it might not fire up. over voltage == danger area | 00:52 |
| AStorm | gribouille: not a lot, esp. not for N810 | 00:52 |
| AStorm | lcuk: exactly | 00:52 |
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| AStorm | that's why 5x AA is risky | 00:52 |
| elb | I installed jed on my tablet | 00:52 |
| lcuk | agreed.. | 00:52 |
| AStorm | although 0,2V overvoltage is <10% | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | i installed mcedit | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:52 |
| elb | it works OK, although control sequences are a bit painful sometimes | 00:53 |
| AStorm | even 5% tolerance | 00:53 |
| lcuk | 4 is right, must dash, ive got sdl on the brain | 00:53 |
| AStorm | blah | 00:53 |
| gribouille | KotCzarny, from where ? | 00:53 |
| AStorm | 4,8V, have to test | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | grib: internet, of course | 00:53 |
| elb | lcuk: well ... under voltage *can* mean it draws too much current, in the interest of full disclosure ;-) | 00:53 |
| AStorm | but first, I need a lot of spare plugs | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't tried it | 00:53 |
| elb | (I doubt anything as sophisticated as the tablet would do so) | 00:53 |
| AStorm | elb: it can't possibly overdrive NiMH | 00:53 |
| elb | AStorm: oh, no, of course not | 00:53 |
| AStorm | it'd have to pull like 3A or so | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: but control circuit can be too 'smart' | 00:54 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: hehe, 4,8V is just 5% below | 00:54 |
| elb | are these Nokia plugs at all standard? | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | in the way 'use only ORIGINAL charger and refuse to work with anything else | 00:54 |
| AStorm | elb: yes, they look very much like standard 6V | 00:54 |
| lcuk | ffs dont we have car chargers. elb go find a 4aa multichargers set somewhere and just try it | 00:54 |
| lcuk | astorm ^ | 00:55 |
| gribouille | anoother question : for file sharing, what is the best ? samba ? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | sneakernet | 00:55 |
| AStorm | lcuk: :> | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | http | 00:55 |
| elb | I use scp | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:55 |
| AStorm | gribouille: rsync | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:55 |
| AStorm | sftp is fine too | 00:55 |
| lcuk | DC: | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer sshfs | 00:55 |
| AStorm | nah, DC is junk | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | 4 people 7 answers | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | heehe | 00:55 |
| gribouille | KotCzarny, does it work well on the tablet ? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | grib: define 'it' | 00:56 |
| gribouille | sshfs | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | both ways | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | server/client | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | for server you only have to install ssh-server and nothing else | 00:56 |
| lcuk | much more setting up though isnt it - dont most machines have samba? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | for client you have to get kernel module and some libs | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: none of mine ;) | 00:57 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_connector | 00:57 |
| AStorm | pick the one :> | 00:57 |
| lcuk | i agree, sshfs is nice, but i dont expect it everywhere | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i do | 00:57 |
| gribouille | KotCzarny, I know, I already use sshfs | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | openssh is ubitiquous | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | even on m$ windows | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | and compulsory on *nixish systems | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | gahhhh!! those tamiya connectors were the bain of my life at one point | 00:58 |
| AStorm | the third on the left is the right one I think | 00:58 |
| lcuk | you are going off a PICTURE | 00:58 |
| lcuk | just get a voltmeter on it and be certain | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | or pick up an LED or use your tongue or anything other than picking a picture | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i think its the 4th | 00:59 |
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| AStorm | ... | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | only recently i made an observation that bigger plugs mean higher voltage | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:00 |
| AStorm | 4th is larger, you fail | 01:00 |
| AStorm | or maybe... let me check | 01:00 |
| Joe_CoT | hey, I have a question about the n810. A friend of mine pointed out options for configuring GPRS / Data Call internet connections within the n810. That's only for use with a synced cell phone, correct? There's nothing built in to the n810 to handle it? | 01:01 |
| AStorm | might be 4th | 01:01 |
| AStorm | mhm | 01:01 |
| AStorm | Joe_CoT: yes | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | it may be the 3rd | 01:01 |
| gribouille | KotCzarny, how do you unmount an sshfs filesystem ? | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | because of the ring on the end of the plug | 01:01 |
| Joe_CoT | AStorm, ok, thanks. I wish it was otherwise, but I wanted to confirm with someone | 01:01 |
| lcuk | mine has a ring ;) | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | grib: umount /some/mount/point | 01:02 |
| gribouille | KotCzarny, do I have to be root to do that ? | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:02 |
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| gribouille | that's strange : you don't have ti be root to mount, but you have to be root to unmount | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, also 3rd is all plastic at the end | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | grib: what can i say, ask sshfs/fuse author | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| gribouille | sure | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | at least it works as i want | 01:04 |
| gribouille | btw, is it possible to make small films with the tablet ? | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:05 |
| AStorm | is it EIAJ-02 or EIAJ-03? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | gribouille, sure, dont see why not, just get your rolling pin out and keep rolling till its really thin | 01:05 |
| AStorm | yes, EIAJ-02 | 01:06 |
| AStorm | standard 6V plug | 01:06 |
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| AStorm | nah, that one was 4mm | 01:07 |
| lcuk | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_344303 | 01:08 |
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| AStorm | tbh, it's 2.45 mm | 01:10 |
| AStorm | EIAJ-01 | 01:10 |
| AStorm | rated usually for 3V | 01:11 |
| AStorm | nah, I'm wrong again | 01:11 |
| AStorm | it's radio shack size B | 01:11 |
| AStorm | = EIAJ-02 | 01:11 |
| AStorm | 4mm x 1.7mm | 01:11 |
| AStorm | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102598&cp=2032058.2032231.2032284&parentPage=family | 01:12 |
| AStorm | this one looks much more sturdy than the flimsy ones used in chargers | 01:12 |
| lcuk | there is also | 01:12 |
| lcuk | http://www.energizer.eu/en/products/energi-go | 01:12 |
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| KotCzarny | oh, it's available in radioshack stores? | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 01:12 |
| AStorm | lcuk: anything that pushes 5V and can sustain 1A will do | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | i have one few streets away | 01:13 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: but there's no RadioShack in Poland, right? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | you still dont know the polarity | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i'm not in poland, right now :> | 01:13 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: that's a 10s with multimeter | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's yellow | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | may be incompatible :> | 01:14 |
| lcuk | you would be better just getting a molded variation thats already configured for a phone - from a cheap adapter kit - that way you wont have a weak spot | 01:14 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: that is one | 01:15 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder if there is straight angle one somewhere.. | 01:16 |
| AStorm | blah blah, might be wrong one thought | 01:16 |
| AStorm | *though | 01:16 |
| AStorm | http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/outputplugseiaj.htm | 01:17 |
| AStorm | 2,35mm diameter is more like the plug of N8x0 | 01:17 |
| lcuk | take your nokia with you to radioshack | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.americanesuperstore.com/pcca-44.html | 01:17 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | it says '2mm | 01:18 |
| AStorm | because it is 2.35mm | 01:18 |
| AStorm | :-) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | so neither 2.35 nor 1.7 | 01:18 |
| AStorm | no, it's not exactly 2mm | 01:18 |
| AlbertoP_ | Me again .... I have downloaded flahser-3.0 (and 2.0) .. Anyone here knows how to use it to get an image (BIN file) out of the OS partition of the 770 ? (what parameter ?) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | most of the sites gives 2mm | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's really exact 2mm | 01:20 |
| AStorm | because it is 2.35mm ;P | 01:20 |
| AStorm | no, it's not, argue with my ruler | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | your ruler is wrong | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | fight the power! | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | don't let the physics bound you! | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:21 |
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| AlbertoP_ | any ideas ? | 01:22 |
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| AStorm | 1.7mm | 01:22 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, now mister, changing the side? | 01:22 |
| AStorm | next time, I'll use the interferometer from the uni | 01:23 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:23 |
| AStorm | that will give you precision to some nanometers | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | good | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:23 |
| AlbertoP_ | :~( | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | albertop: you have to find knowledgable 770 user | 01:25 |
| AlbertoP_ | is there a better place than this channel to find one ? | 01:27 |
| AStorm | ah, my mistake | 01:27 |
| AStorm | flasher can't read images :> | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | albertop: itt ? | 01:28 |
| AlbertoP_ | AStorm .... are you serious ?? :~( | 01:28 |
| AStorm | just use a tarball | 01:28 |
| AStorm | it works just as well | 01:28 |
| AlbertoP_ | just Tarball the whole '/' filesystem ? | 01:29 |
| AlbertoP_ | What is "./flasher-3.0 --enable-usb-host-mode" for ? anyone ? | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | for usb | 01:29 |
| AStorm | might work, might not | 01:30 |
| AStorm | and won't on N770, that's for sure | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, only after mounting with --bind | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | or telling tar to stay on one filesystem | 01:30 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: after mounting it somewhere else | 01:30 |
| AStorm | e.g. mount /dev/whatitscalled /mnt/tmp | 01:30 |
| AStorm | then cd /mnt/tmp | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | astorm slightly wrong | 01:31 |
| AStorm | tar cpf . | nc somehost:8080 | 01:31 |
| AStorm | ;) | 01:31 |
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| AStorm | wrong | 01:31 |
| AStorm | tar cp . | nc somehost:8080 | 01:31 |
| pupnik | wow i love it when i code a new algorithm and no syntax errors and it works | 01:31 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: not wrong, it's actually correct | 01:31 |
| pupnik | that's like a christmas present | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: you can't mount already mounted fs | 01:31 |
| AStorm | pupnik: code what? | 01:31 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: WRONG! | 01:32 |
| AStorm | you can | 01:32 |
| AStorm | see it yourself | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | but that's wrong. | 01:32 |
| pupnik | a new timing algo. gets | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it's not | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | yes it is | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | unless you think about --bind | 01:32 |
| AStorm | no | 01:32 |
| AStorm | it doesn't bind | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | then you're asking for problems | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
| AStorm | it really mounts it, but 90% of FSes under linux allow it | 01:32 |
| AStorm | that's the same VFS, it manages the write | 01:33 |
| AlbertoP_ | What is the safest bet ? | 01:33 |
| AStorm | so, the write is done once | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | with --bind, yes | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | with separate mounts, i think not | 01:33 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: also w/o bind | 01:33 |
| AStorm | :-) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | unless something has changed | 01:33 |
| AStorm | it's the VFS that does the writes | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | since i last played with vfs | 01:33 |
| AStorm | and reads | 01:33 |
| AStorm | VFS is the / | 01:33 |
| AStorm | and everything below | 01:33 |
| AlbertoP_ | I just go on the shell to my MMC card and do a "tar -zcvf My770.tgz /" ? | 01:34 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: almost | 01:34 |
| AStorm | don't use -z | 01:34 |
| AStorm | and don't use - at all | 01:34 |
| AlbertoP_ | ok, no gzip .... | 01:34 |
| AStorm | and add p | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | alberto, you should tell tar to stay on one file system | 01:34 |
| AStorm | (store permissions) | 01:34 |
| AlbertoP_ | "tar -pcvf --bind My770.tgz /" | 01:34 |
| AlbertoP_ | ? | 01:34 |
| AStorm | yes, but busybox tar is stupid | 01:34 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: did I say no - | 01:34 |
| AStorm | and no --bind, that's mount option | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | you don't want to tar /sys and /proc | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:34 |
| AlbertoP_ | hmmm ... | 01:35 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: mount /dev/whatever /mnt/tmp | 01:35 |
| AStorm | see, it works | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | and few others | 01:35 |
| AlbertoP_ | should I better just tar different files for specific dirs under / ? (like etc, home, ....) ? | 01:35 |
| AStorm | for extra safety if you're paranoid | 01:35 |
| pupnik | Target FPS: 57 Average FPS: 56.985 | 01:35 |
| AStorm | mount -o ro /dev/whatever /mnt/tmp | 01:35 |
| AStorm | pupnik: whee | 01:35 |
| AStorm | close enough | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: what res? | 01:35 |
| AlbertoP_ | I don't understand what you are mounting ? the MMC ? | 01:36 |
| Grackle | What's pupnik working on? | 01:36 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: /dev/mmcblk4 or something | 01:36 |
| lcuk | pupnik, you about still | 01:36 |
| pupnik | trying to draw something smoothly | 01:36 |
| AStorm | the / filesystem | 01:36 |
| pupnik | yearh | 01:36 |
| lcuk | ahh yes :) | 01:36 |
| pupnik | lcuk i'm still putzing with the loop and delay | 01:36 |
| AStorm | events, I say | 01:36 |
| AStorm | :-) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | change the call to SDL_SetVideoMode to 0 bpp | 01:36 |
| AStorm | asynchronous drawing, I follow | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | it's mtdblock4 | 01:36 |
| AStorm | lcdd: lol | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
| AStorm | lcuk: | 01:36 |
| lcuk | you get a direct buffer without the SDL shadow surface :) | 01:37 |
| AStorm | lcdd: change that nick, damnit ;) | 01:37 |
| pupnik | 0_o | 01:37 |
| lcuk | doubles effective maximum | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | tabuser :P | 01:37 |
| pupnik | no wai! | 01:37 |
| lcuk | and eases the cpu up | 01:37 |
| AStorm | lcuk: but introduces artifacts | 01:37 |
| AStorm | you lose double buffering | 01:37 |
| lcuk | using just the ioctl and no waiting with 8bpp=117fps with 0bpp=206fps | 01:37 |
| pupnik | AStorm: what double buffering | 01:37 |
| pupnik | hmmmm tryin | 01:38 |
| lcuk | there is an ioctl to wait until transfer complete | 01:38 |
| AStorm | pupnik: SDL does double-buf | 01:38 |
| lcuk | its not necessarily YOUR transfer, but it appears to remove the worst of it | 01:38 |
| AStorm | still, FPS > VSync is waste | 01:38 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: good for benchamrking the code | 01:38 |
| lcuk | absolutely but writing in the middle is worst | 01:39 |
| lcuk | sending over half old frame and half new one | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | if you wait until its gone at least next time you draw on it its not in the middle of something else | 01:39 |
| lcuk | thats what it appears to be anyway | 01:39 |
| AStorm | there comes double buffering | 01:40 |
| AStorm | you draw in memory then do a synced flip | 01:40 |
| lcuk | but the flip isnt synced | 01:40 |
| lcuk | thats the problem | 01:40 |
| lcuk | it draws all over a buffer thats not quite taken | 01:40 |
| pupnik | AStorm: thanks, but sdl on the tablets has some quirks | 01:40 |
| lcuk | so the lcd takes it as its meant to do but sdl appears to spoil the party | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | thats my view anyway after digging through this evening | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i might be completely wrong but its a start | 01:41 |
| pupnik | thanks lcuk | 01:41 |
| Navi | Last.fm's being overloaded today | 01:41 |
| Navi | :< | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but anyway, time for a bath. im gonna keep at this because proper rgb may be benificial for later | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | or yuv->rgb converter? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | IVA will work for that | 01:42 |
| lcuk | if i can get to it | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | most likely have to go through pvr first | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | not going to happen atm | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | time :) | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | don't sink your tablet | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:43 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:43 |
| lcuk | anyway, cyas later | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:43 |
| AStorm | ;) | 01:43 |
| lcuk | and no1 even try asking how i got hold of the SDL_ShadowSurface the first time ;) | 01:43 |
| AStorm | :> | 01:44 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | how have you got hold of the SDL_ShadowSurface the first time ? | 01:47 |
| * pupnik tests this | 01:48 | |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I suspect some mad hack | 01:49 |
| pupnik | lcuk: i still see the 'charging' popup when using bpp = 0 | 01:49 |
| pupnik | do i need any extra flags set? | 01:50 |
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| AlbertoP_ | Ok, I am back (and a little bit slow) ... My / filesystem is /dev/mtdblock4. Now, I need to mount it somewhere ? Isn't it already monted in / ? | 01:52 |
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| AlbertoP_ | ? | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | i dunno. follow the recipe | 01:57 |
| pupnik | @ AlbertoP_ | 01:57 |
| AlbertoP_ | pupnik: I am trying to find a way to make a full backup (on a 770) .... Something like getting a full (BIN) image of the OS partition (/) or something like that ...... | 01:59 |
| pupnik | are you following the howto clone rootfs recipe? | 02:00 |
| AlbertoP_ | AStorm and KotCzarny were recommending something using tar, but recommended mounting something and I didn't get it ... | 02:00 |
| AlbertoP_ | nop .. didn't know it existed ..... | 02:00 |
| AlbertoP_ | :O | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | alberto, problem would be when restoring that backup | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | as you would have to be in initfs or something | 02:00 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ AlbertoP_ | 02:01 |
| AlbertoP_ | I want to be able to 1) flash my own BIN file or 2) flash the Nokia original BIN file and modifiy it with my "full backup", so I can have my machine back in 20 minutes if I mess it up .... | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | booting off mmc is a nice way for it | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | mmc is more readily available | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | so you can backup/restore on pc | 02:02 |
| AlbertoP_ | pupnik: your recommnedation would be to have the OS on the MMC ? | 02:02 |
| AlbertoP_ | My MMC is the factory default (64MB) :( Would I be able to pull it off ? | 02:03 |
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| AlbertoP_ | (I am in Colombia (Southamerica) and RS-MMCs are not easy to come by) | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:03 |
| AStorm | AlbertoP_: you probably can use SD in there, right? | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | how big is the internal flash in 770? | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | assume sd card 2x of that | 02:04 |
| AStorm | I think 128M | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | ah, 2x mmc | 02:04 |
| AlbertoP_ | yeap 128M | 02:04 |
| Navi | Modest hasn't been updated to fix the gmail issue yet? | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | in the field of disk space n800 rulez :) | 02:05 |
| AStorm | Navi: not yet, just downgrade | 02:05 |
| Navi | Nah, too lazy | 02:05 |
| AlbertoP_ | :( | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, pay attention. | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can compile it from svn if you want | 02:07 |
| Navi | to? | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | .deb tomorrow. | 02:07 |
| Navi | k | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blogs, the relevant thread. :P | 02:07 |
| Navi | Nah | 02:07 |
| Navi | too lazy | 02:07 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: still awake? | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | he is all wet | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 02:12 |
| pupnik | ok | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4405 | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | hehehehe | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | You can purchase the 32 volume Britannica, which has 65,000 articles and 44 million words, for just $1,400. Or you can access it on the web for $70 per year. | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:13 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | just rotate it? | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:17 |
| pupnik | Target FPS: 60 Average FPS: 59.998 | 02:17 |
| pupnik | still doesn't look smooth | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | maybe the problem is something else | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | well i get strange occasional underruns | 02:18 |
| pupnik | where the app is slower than the target time | 02:18 |
| pupnik | which is strange cause app takes 0% cpu and xomap takes 3.3-4.0% cpu | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | bandwidth limit? | 02:19 |
| pupnik | it should be spending a lot of time waiting | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | interrupts? | 02:19 |
| pupnik | no 256x224 pix | 02:19 |
| pupnik | maybe watchdog? | 02:19 |
| pupnik | or something weird with lcd | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried renicing the app? | 02:19 |
| pupnik | uh no | 02:20 |
| * pupnik googles | 02:20 | |
| KotCzarny | nice -20 your_app | 02:20 |
| lcuk | ifyou are ondemand then this will occur often | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | or if it's already running: renice -20 `pidof your_app` | 02:20 |
| pupnik | is there a .deb with 'nice'? | 02:20 |
| lcuk | if its performance its much rarer | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: it should be standard | 02:20 |
| lcuk | but im still soapy | 02:20 |
| pupnik | i have OMAPFB_SYNC_GFX | 02:21 |
| pupnik | i have no nice | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | then just use renice | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | or some call in c | 02:21 |
| pupnik | ooh duh i DO have renice | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | -20 means: give my app all the priority you can | 02:22 |
| pupnik | ok makes no difference | 02:22 |
| pupnik | app is usleeping 90% of the time anyway | 02:22 |
| lcuk | if you moved this into your emulator it wouldnt sleep | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | then it's some kind of interrupt | 02:22 |
| lcuk | just be busy running | 02:22 |
| lcuk | !damn you guys | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | im goin gettin dried | 02:23 |
| pupnik | no! it does help! | 02:23 |
| pupnik | neat | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | then you know it's some other app taking cpu from you | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | at the bad time | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | probably x itself | 02:23 |
| lcuk | how often pup | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:23 |
| pupnik | well i gotta check | 02:23 |
| AStorm | pupnik: I sense scheduler unfairness | 02:24 |
| pupnik | once every 1-2 seconds | 02:24 |
| AStorm | you get pwnd because you're sleeping a lot | 02:24 |
| lcuk | i sense dont worry because you arent stressing the cpu yet | 02:24 |
| lcuk | its giving time to others | 02:24 |
| pupnik | ah interesting | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | check it in the proper thing | 02:24 |
| pupnik | adding debug code | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | ok, it's my turn to get wet | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | bbl | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | yup renicing fixed the underruns mostly | 02:26 |
| pupnik | still getting some | 02:26 |
| AStorm | that's old scheduler messing up | 02:27 |
| AStorm | we need 2.6.23 (preferably something newer) on Nxxx | 02:27 |
| AStorm | or a nice clean backport of CFS to 2.6.21 | 02:27 |
| AStorm | that should really help the performance of the device | 02:28 |
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| pupnik | hrm | 02:31 |
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| gribouille | where can I find vnc server for maemo ? | 02:35 |
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| AStorm | server? might be hard | 02:36 |
| gribouille | why ? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11vnc | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google it. | 02:38 |
| AStorm | for Maemo? ;P | 02:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Assuming you're not being facetious about the ITOS/maemo distinction (it isn't capitalized), then, yes: http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 02:41 |
| AStorm | N810? | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Click the link. <_< | 02:43 |
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| AStorm | later, no N810 right now (no power source) | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do you need an N810 to get information from a website? | 02:44 |
| AStorm | I don't have hamster-powered power supply with that kind of plug | 02:44 |
| AStorm | I don't | 02:44 |
| AStorm | but I'll forget, so give it to me later :> | 02:44 |
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| Tama^2 | LOL | 02:53 |
| Tama^2 | yeah, gotta go gimme the internets later pal U,u | 02:53 |
| unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: you told me that the downloadable maps will not work with maemo mapper 2.x. I got it to work. | 02:54 |
| unixSnob | http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/tablet/ <= the maps came from here | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, those are for "Map" | 02:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not Maemo Mapper | 02:56 |
| unixSnob | ah, i didn't realize there were two different apps in there | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is a GPL mapping application that uses Google/Yahoo/Microsoft/Open Street maps. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" is basically the Navicore mapping application, except bundled. | 02:57 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. sounds like something I should look into | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're significantly different. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | How'd you get "Map" -> Maemo Mapper? :P | 02:57 |
| trollasaurus | Which one is better ? I'm getting a Nokia N810 for work and I might like to use the GPS. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're two completely different beasts. | 02:58 |
| unixSnob | the bundled one just gave me a popup asking me to register, or run the trial | 02:58 |
| unixSnob | (if I want to navigate w/ it) | 02:58 |
| AStorm | btw, how do I get navigation to work in Maemo Mapper? | 02:59 |
| AStorm | unixSnob: exactly | 02:59 |
| AStorm | it's navicore all right, with all the expenses | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You get yourself a Bluetooth GPS, get a fix and download a route to somewhere. | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, the help is incredibly excellent | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and available online. | 03:00 |
| AStorm | wheee | 03:00 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: "from somewhere" | 03:00 |
| AStorm | thanks | 03:00 |
| AStorm | esp. none are relevant for Poland | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of what? | 03:00 |
| AStorm | routes and sites | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open Street, Google, Microsoft, or Yahoo? | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | None work? | 03:00 |
| AStorm | maps do works | 03:00 |
| AStorm | *work, routes don't | 03:01 |
| AStorm | esp. voice nav. doesn't work :> | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | flite not set up for that? :P | 03:01 |
| unixSnob | is maemo mapper free (as in free beer)? | 03:01 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I have flite, doesn't work still | 03:01 |
| AStorm | unixSnob: yep | 03:01 |
| unixSnob | nice | 03:01 |
| AStorm | ofc. the maps are non-commercial, except (quite poor) Open Street | 03:02 |
| unixSnob | i'm glad the free one will work w/ google maps | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's free as in everything. | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The guy who wrote it goes by gnuite. ;) | 03:03 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: so how do I set up that voice nav. and where do I get POI db for Poland? :-) | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just install flite. | 03:03 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I have that, still no voice nav. | 03:04 |
| AStorm | :> | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you download a route? | 03:04 |
| unixSnob | ok, so if the navicore product is a different beast, what does it do that mapper doesn't? | 03:04 |
| AStorm | where? | 03:04 |
| AStorm | unixSnob: it has paid maps | 03:04 |
| AStorm | ;P | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | From one of the map repositories. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google/Yahoo/Microsoft/Open Street | 03:04 |
| AStorm | ... | 03:04 |
| AStorm | can't I make one myself? | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or something else if you have something else. | 03:05 |
| AStorm | make maemo mapper autofit to roads? | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll load GPX routes. | 03:05 |
| unixSnob | IOW, it offers teleatlas maps - is that the only significant difference? | 03:05 |
| unixSnob | Guess mapper is what i'm after | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, they're just bitmaps. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" is like a traditional GPS navigation unit. | 03:05 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: hmmhmm | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is like a supercharged Google Local | 03:05 |
| AStorm | the problem is, how do I set such a route? | 03:06 |
| AStorm | argh, what I feared most | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could do it with Google Earth | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't a single mapping site that provides maps for Poland, though? | 03:06 |
| AStorm | which totally fails for Poland :> | 03:06 |
| AStorm | it fails to find some of the streets | 03:07 |
| AStorm | even quite major | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | i think google maps works quite well | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | and openmaps too | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | at least for bigger cities | 03:08 |
| AStorm | maps, sure | 03:08 |
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| AStorm | route planning, uhm, no | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | i wouldn't trust gps anyway | 03:09 |
| AStorm | it's useful as a guide | 03:09 |
| AStorm | there's a problem with Google Earth | 03:09 |
| AStorm | it's for Windows :P | 03:09 |
| AStorm | ah, no, 4.3 is for Linux too | 03:09 |
| AStorm | does the free version have .GPX support? | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | google earth requires 3d accel | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:10 |
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| AStorm | I have that | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | on n8x0 ? | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 03:11 |
| AStorm | the problem is twofold | 03:11 |
| AStorm | not on n8x0 | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:11 |
| AStorm | so, loses | 03:11 |
| AStorm | anyway | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:11 |
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| AStorm | we need real GPS apps | 03:12 |
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| unixSnob | is the navicore app fully functional on the stock n810? | 03:14 |
| KotCzarny | trial | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you register it. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine as a "Map" unregistered. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there's no navigation. | 03:14 |
| unixSnob | wow, all that extra expense for the n810.. and i thought that was for gps functionality | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's for expensive hardware. | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | just install maemo-mapper | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:15 |
| unixSnob | s/gps/navigation/ | 03:15 |
| infobot | unixSnob meant: wow, all that extra expense for the n810.. and i thought that was for navigation functionality | 03:15 |
| unixSnob | i will.. i have the n800, btw | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:15 |
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| unixSnob | The only benefit to navicore seems to be Teleatlas maps - and that's a shortcoming from my standpoint (teleatlas screwed up the local maps where i am) | 03:16 |
| unixSnob | teleatlas maps are better in europe, from what I understand | 03:17 |
| unixSnob | and navteq is better in the US | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | as most of the global apps | 03:17 |
| AStorm | and none are better in Poland, which is mapped worse than Russia, even | 03:19 |
| AStorm | :/ | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | russia is bigger | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, maybe you can snatch some maps from pilot.pl or something? | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | ie. figure out the proper link and maybe it will work? | 03:20 |
| unixSnob | interesting that maps would be lousy in poland.. from what I understand, the roads don't change much in most of europe - meaning they just need to get it right once | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: someone has to do it | 03:21 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: actually, google maps are mostly ok | 03:21 |
| AStorm | the problem is.... lack of navigation :-) | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | and once someone does he wants money for it | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:21 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, i don't know, /me checks something | 03:21 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I would pay, but not for navicore lack of maps | 03:25 |
| AStorm | :> | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:25 |
| unixSnob | AStorm: you can always migrate away from poland, and return when the maps are right | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: ve street maps are quite ok | 03:27 |
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| AStorm | that means "when Poland is a prosperous country" | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | that means 'then there's no more poland' | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | which also means "When Hell freezes over" | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | *when | 03:28 |
| AStorm | :-) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: maps are ok, lack of navigation isn't | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | you can always plan using a paint program | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:28 |
| unixSnob | AStorm: what do you mean? why would you not be able to navigate? | 03:29 |
| AStorm | unixSnob: because maemo mapper has no real route data | 03:30 |
| AStorm | :-) | 03:30 |
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| AStorm | I could plan a route myself, but that is an extremely painful process :P | 03:30 |
| AStorm | and time consuming | 03:30 |
| ImMelody | Is there a good/reliable way to run a OS2008 scratchbox from windows? | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, does Google, etc not provide routing AT ALL for Poland? | 03:30 |
| AStorm | ImMelody: using vmware and Nokia image | 03:30 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: it does provide "some" routing | 03:30 |
| AStorm | but is missing a lot of streets, even in major cities | 03:31 |
| AStorm | (from routing, not from maps) | 03:31 |
| unixSnob | interesting.. so some streets appear on the map, but they're not part of the vector graphic? | 03:31 |
| ImMelody | a free good/reliable way* | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | immelody: vmware image | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | os independent | 03:31 |
| ImMelody | I was under the impression vmware cost money.. Am I wrong? XD | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | vmware player is free for personal use | 03:32 |
| ImMelody | oh ok | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, there are no vector maps involved in any of the web-mapping stuff. | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | but you should learn linux anyway | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | because that's what is used on tablet | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:33 |
| ImMelody | I know linux, but I don't feel like asking my husband for another computer to put it on, and I really don't want to dualboot :P | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | add second drive | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | even usb one will do | 03:33 |
| unixSnob | how does it work then? w/out a vector map, I'm not sure how a route could be computed | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | as most of the pcs can boot from usb nowadays | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: i guess there are some pre-programmed routes | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's a salesman dillema | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | and that's where all nav apps could go lacking | 03:35 |
| AStorm | yup | 03:35 |
| AStorm | actually, they could autodetect possible routes automatically using gfx map | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | but that could go wrong | 03:35 |
| AStorm | and some smart algorithm, like A* | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | terribly wrong | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:35 |
| AStorm | why terribly? one-way? | 03:35 |
| AStorm | no problem with that ;P | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | hey, there's a bridge with 2m of the light! | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | or very narrow | 03:36 |
| lcuk | http://kotaku.com/381802/two-brothers-meditating-upon-questions-of-pac+man | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | or closed | 03:36 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, that happens | 03:36 |
| AStorm | that's why GPS is only a guide | 03:36 |
| AStorm | if you find a problem, you go around it, not INTO it, like some idiot | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: heh | 03:37 |
| lcuk | salesman dilemma with only 1 root though | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | pacman operates on pure energy | 03:37 |
| lcuk | if you add alternative expected stopoffs it becomes more difficult | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | and energy is very.. what's the word? | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:37 |
| KotCzarny | diluted | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | you start at the destination and throw outwards until you hit the destination. give each a TTL and you are rocking | 03:38 |
| lcuk | add extra weight to the larger routes.. | 03:38 |
| lcuk | its not a tough problem | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:39 |
| ImMelody | Figures. I can't download VMWare right now =\ | 03:39 |
| lcuk | though you may find examples where it goes wrong | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | then it should be possible to write an algo to operate on bitmap maps | 03:39 |
| lcuk | ie being routed across the continent before coming back | 03:39 |
| lcuk | not really, using vectors you have priority | 03:39 |
| lcuk | with bitmaps you would be screwed by resolution | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | but with maemo-mapper you have bitmaps | 03:40 |
| unixSnob | well it's an unsolved problem from what I understand. There's infinite possibilities. So an algorithm necessarily will overlook paths - possibly the best path | 03:40 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, its an evolving function. if a path is missed at first it can be updated and it will be usable by people in future | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | if a new motorway opens up it can be added quickly and all old functional routes become redundent unless you throw in traffic to the weighting | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, there's a database and routing algorithm. | 03:41 |
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| lcuk | the problem i see with gps mapping is out of date vectors ie sending big lorries through small towns | 03:42 |
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| KotCzarny | sometimes longer route is faster | 03:42 |
| lcuk | using a one size fits all lookup means that it will send a small person on a motorbike along the motorway | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | because of speed/quality | 03:43 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's called A* | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | k k | 03:43 |
| AStorm | add coarse/fine distinction and it will be fast enough | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | i wasn't on IT course | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:43 |
| AStorm | it's like a Dijkstra, but informed | 03:43 |
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| Paulius | How can I enable host USB support on the 770? | 03:44 |
| AStorm | you could set rough points and it would search for the track | 03:44 |
| Paulius | I know I need a power injector, and I'm working on that. But host mode is first | 03:44 |
| dragorn | Paulius: flasher | 03:45 |
| Paulius | could you elaborate? | 03:45 |
| dragorn | Paulius: flasher3.0 -h. it's one of the switches. | 03:46 |
| Paulius | oh it's a command? | 03:46 |
| dragorn | yes, for the tool you use to flash the device. | 03:46 |
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| Paulius | flash it to what? | 03:46 |
| dragorn | which I don't have installed right now, so. | 03:46 |
| Paulius | Another OS? | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i should see the barber soon | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | or find a way keeping my hair out of my eyes | 03:47 |
| lcuk | no, you can use the flasher tool to send commands to the device. one of the commands is "enable host mode" (according to dragorn ) | 03:47 |
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| lcuk | cut it. i did unfortunately | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, shouldn't you be in bed alredy? | 03:47 |
| lcuk | :( but mum can i just stay up and watch this? | 03:48 |
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| KotCzarny | no, you can't | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | it's dark | 03:48 |
| lcuk | oh i hate you. its so unfair. | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | your eyes will hate YOU | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:48 |
| lcuk | nahhh im thinking | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | k k, just kidding | 03:48 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: oh, are you? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | always | 03:57 |
| * lcuk wonders what he just answered to | 03:57 | |
| ImMelody | I think he's insinuating that you don't think.. but I might be wrong | 03:57 |
| * ImMelody is glad she's a woman and can take huge steps in logic like that. | 03:58 | |
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| unixSnob | the left column on the app manager is just a few characters wide. I can't seem to widen the column. The column marker is not draggable | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fixed in svn | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | or Diablo | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the time being, you can display by category | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | or disable the bad repository | 04:00 |
| AStorm | or just use apt | 04:00 |
| lcuk | has it changed from 1 category per program? | 04:01 |
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| Italodance | http://n800.bloggercomm.com/2007/08/wimax_version_of_n800_coming_t.php | 11:21 |
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| Italodance | huh!? | 11:21 |
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| anidel | good morning | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | good morning | 11:24 |
| anidel | hey qwerty, hi | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | hi anidel :) | 11:24 |
| anidel | did you see how far Xournal went ? :) | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Yeo | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | s/Yeo/Yes | 11:24 |
| anidel | awesome :) | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | It's great! Brilliant work :) | 11:25 |
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| anidel | I have mailed Denis about it... | 11:25 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:49 |
| anidel | morning | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | morning | 11:49 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | Morning | 12:02 |
| pancake | porning | 12:02 |
| Italodance | umm where can i find backgrounds for my n800 os2008? | 12:02 |
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| Jaffa | Response to my blog post seems to have been well received :-) | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure, would you expect anything else? | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | Nice to be sure | 12:07 |
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| Italodance | hi qwerty12 | 12:08 |
| anidel | hey Jaffa.. it was a very cool post indeed | 12:08 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 xmms has an icon for menu? or only run with x-term ?? | 12:08 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 can u reply me? | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance, it has a icon in the menu. | 12:13 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 where is the full package for download? | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | Read the first post in the thread, it tells you everything. | 12:13 |
| Italodance | yes but http://debfarm.free.fr/???????? the page is down? | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/ | 12:14 |
| Italodance | oh tnx | 12:14 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 it doesn't hurt to my device? | 12:14 |
| Italodance | afraid cos it is not an official app! | 12:15 |
| qwerty12 | Mine is working fine with it installed. | 12:15 |
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| AStorm | ok, time for a major Q: | 12:16 |
| AStorm | does N810 present itself as an USB high load device? (500 mA per standard) | 12:16 |
| lardman | I'd guess not as it doesn't recharge over usb | 12:17 |
| AStorm | might still, who knows | 12:18 |
| AStorm | I'd have to grab a dump out of the controller | 12:18 |
| AStorm | fortunately, as it is Linux, we can easily negotiate high current in software | 12:18 |
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| lardman | Why do you ask? | 12:19 |
| AStorm | guess | 12:19 |
| AStorm | want to mod N810 to charge directly over USB | 12:19 |
| lardman | oh I see | 12:20 |
| lardman | well in that case a change to the kernel should do the trick | 12:20 |
| anidel | it'll be a hardware hack, will it ? | 12:20 |
| lardman | (asking for more current that is) | 12:20 |
| AStorm | anidel: partially, adding two diodes | 12:20 |
| AStorm | and a connection between usb port power lines and power connector | 12:20 |
| anidel | a friend of mine bought the USB cable from Nokia for charging it... 25€!!! damn them.. so expensive | 12:21 |
| AStorm | and it still has the stupid small 5V plug | 12:21 |
| AStorm | :-) | 12:21 |
| glass | just adding a charger plug to usb cord is easy | 12:21 |
| anidel | AStorm: if it's easy to do, I'll do it.. when mine is not under warranty anymore :) | 12:21 |
| AStorm | anidel: :> | 12:21 |
| aquatix | anidel: eh? you *can* charge it with that cable? | 12:21 |
| aquatix | thought it wasn't possible by default | 12:21 |
| AStorm | not that one | 12:22 |
| anidel | aquatix: sure.. it's USB to Nokia charger plug.. it charges all the nokia's recent phone and the N800/N810 as well | 12:22 |
| AStorm | it's USB -> Nokia 2mm connector | 12:22 |
| pupnik | has anybody tried the 4x NiMH AA without regulator? | 12:22 |
| aquatix | anidel: oh :) | 12:22 |
| AStorm | pupnik: well, there's DC-8 | 12:22 |
| aquatix | meh | 12:22 |
| lardman | pupnik: I have on the Zaurus | 12:22 |
| anidel | last day it was chargint the N95 and later the N810 as well | 12:22 |
| AStorm | buy one and destroy | 12:22 |
| anidel | I don't remember the cable name | 12:22 |
| AStorm | I guess a tiny regulator would work | 12:22 |
| AStorm | it's just 0,2V up | 12:22 |
| anidel | probably | 12:22 |
| AStorm | pupnik: if it works over USB, then it should with 4,8V | 12:23 |
| AStorm | as USB of high charge can provide 4,75V per spec | 12:23 |
| anidel | it's the CA-100 cable | 12:23 |
| AStorm | unless they added a step up in the cable | 12:23 |
| anidel | it Italian: http://www.nokia.it/ca-100 | 12:23 |
| AStorm | which I find plausible (it has negotiation electronics too) | 12:24 |
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| AStorm | DC-8 charger is for 4x AA | 12:24 |
| pupnik | dc-8 not available in germany | 12:25 |
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| AStorm | unfortunately | 12:25 |
| AStorm | or in Poland | 12:25 |
| pupnik | heh bp-4l from nokia 53 euro | 12:25 |
| AStorm | yup | 12:26 |
| AStorm | but no desk charger | 12:26 |
| AStorm | w/o a desk charger it's somewhat pointless ;> | 12:26 |
| * pupnik lols and wires together 4aas | 12:26 | |
| anidel | going for a coffee.. ttyl | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | dc-8 is ~30 EUR | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | for a piece of plastic and connector? | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 12:27 |
| AStorm | yup ;> | 12:27 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: that's commercial chargers etc for you... | 12:27 |
| AStorm | and a diode | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | that's a piece of... plastic | 12:28 |
| AStorm | LED, actually | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:28 |
| AStorm | and some metal | 12:28 |
| AStorm | and it's bad shape too | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | mostly plastic | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | yup, bad for tablet | 12:28 |
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| AStorm | we want a flat version | 12:28 |
| AStorm | I think tablet has its own power regulator, which should easily swallow 0,2V difference | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | someone should try 4x aa (nimh preferably) | 12:29 |
| AStorm | yes, NiMH would be safer | 12:29 |
| AStorm | 4x AA might be frying ;P | 12:29 |
| AStorm | and definitely need an additional power regulator | 12:29 |
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| AStorm | 6V to 5V limiter (read, like a zener) | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L99cw05nmSI&feature=related | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 12:30 |
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| KotCzarny | ah, and i have forgot.. piece of plastic with some metal and NOKIA logo | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:31 |
| AStorm | yes, that logo is the most expensive thing | 12:32 |
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| KotCzarny | definitely | 12:32 |
| AStorm | pupnik: just drop in a buck power regulator (dirt cheap, like 0,5$) | 12:32 |
| pupnik | i read the thoughtfix blogthread on it. | 12:33 |
| AStorm | even a linear regulator could do, if you're feeling cheap | 12:34 |
| AStorm | but then you'd get less power out of the batteries (like, 80%? and it'd heat up a bit) | 12:34 |
| AStorm | like, a cheap LM2575S | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.goldengadgets.com/product_info.php?products_id=396{1}36 | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | this one is interesting | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | probably with builtin regulator | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | as it operates on 1 (one) AA | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | and is a little cheaper too | 12:37 |
| AStorm | and it drains the battery fast? | 12:37 |
| soman | how to play avi file using gst-launch ... i mean the exact pipeline syntax for running it on N810 | 12:37 |
| AStorm | I'd think like 4x as fast ;> | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | kind of | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | but look at the price | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | just get 4 of them | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:37 |
| AStorm | # Output Voltage: 5.7V +- 5% | 12:37 |
| AStorm | FRIED | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:38 |
| AStorm | why nope | 12:38 |
| AStorm | it's over 10% | 12:38 |
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| AStorm | and charging current is too low, just 400mA | 12:38 |
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| AStorm | to charge N with it, you'd have to shut it down | 12:38 |
| AD-N770 | soman: you can use playbin, gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file://<absolute path to file> | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | i'm willing to take a try | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | let's find shipping price | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | 2.15$ | 12:39 |
| AStorm | I'd rather build one myself | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 12:39 |
| AStorm | on 2x AA | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | do 6$ total | 12:39 |
| soman | AD-N770: i tried playbin,, but im unable to redirect the video output... its coming in a different window | 12:39 |
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| AStorm | so, that'd easily give me 800 mA | 12:40 |
| AStorm | (with alkaline batteries - normal can go much higher, so can NiMH) | 12:40 |
| AD-N770 | soman: gst-launch will create their own window, you need to write code to specify your app window if you need it | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | still, with 3Ah nimh you would get ~2h of work | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | on a single AA | 12:41 |
| AStorm | you're funny | 12:41 |
| pupnik | hmm maybe you'd really want 2 (parallel) x 4AA (serial) to handle the current | 12:41 |
| AStorm | these cost more than it's worth | 12:41 |
| AStorm | I'd rather buy the Li-Poly BP-4L then | 12:41 |
| AStorm | pupnik: no | 12:41 |
| AStorm | that's way too much | 12:41 |
| AStorm | it'd provide *with alkalines* 800 mA | 12:42 |
| pupnik | no NiMH | 12:42 |
| AStorm | and direct 4,8V-6V | 12:42 |
| AD-N770 | soman: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-python/examples/play.py?view=markup | 12:42 |
| AStorm | do you think this one would do? | 12:43 |
| AStorm | LM1086 | 12:43 |
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| AStorm | or is it too weak? ;P | 12:43 |
| timeless | anyone here know where i can find htop? | 12:43 |
| AD-N770 | soman: self.imagesink.set_xwindow_id(self.window.xid) | 12:44 |
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| johnx | extras maybe? or extras-devel? | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.mobileplace.co.uk/product/2093.html | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | it lists n800 on a compatibility list | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | i know that it's nothing | 12:45 |
| johnx | nevermind, it looks like htop is in the main maemo repository (not extras or -devel) | 12:45 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it is possible that Nxxx have a real power regulator | 12:45 |
| AStorm | which can do 20% | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, even if it wouldn't work as expected it would provide plug and a regulator for self-made project | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:47 |
| AStorm | oh, we could use the ubercheap LM350T | 12:47 |
| AStorm | :> | 12:47 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: Not the regulator | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | stepup, let it be | 12:47 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 12:47 |
| AStorm | yup, LM350T will do, it can be set to regulate anything from 1,25 to 33V | 12:47 |
| AStorm | 3A | 12:47 |
| anidel | back from coffee :p | 12:47 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11867 | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | this one could be nice | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | but the color is meh | 12:48 |
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| KotCzarny | - Comes with LED/UV search light | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 12:49 |
| AStorm | rotfl | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | worldwide free shipping | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 12:49 |
| AStorm | ok, have to fly now :-) | 12:49 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: if you grab 1000 pcs? | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | even with 1 | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | who uses ugly red plastic | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | ugh | 12:50 |
| AStorm | cheap people | 12:50 |
| AStorm | we'll talk later :-) | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 12:50 |
| AStorm | I think LM350T plus some switch to pick the set of resistors would rock | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | can you beat the price? | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | 4.76$ shipped | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:51 |
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| kpel | hi | 12:51 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, I can | 12:52 |
| AStorm | 2 PLN per package of 5 | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | assembled? | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:52 |
| AStorm | but I'll still have to build the case ;P | 12:52 |
| AStorm | no | 12:52 |
| AStorm | need a current limiter, I think 1A will do | 12:54 |
| AStorm | that LM could be used for that | 12:54 |
| AStorm | the only downside is the efficiency ;P | 12:54 |
| AStorm | argh, no | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | don't skimp 1$ | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | get the >90% efficient one | 12:55 |
| AStorm | it's minimal input voltage of 4,2V | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6655 | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | this one is interesting | 12:55 |
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| AStorm | http://www.chipcatalog.com/National/LM2621.htm | 12:56 |
| AStorm | this one is more like it | 12:56 |
| AStorm | note that with a plug change, I could use it for car charger too | 12:56 |
| AStorm | but it's damn expensive ;P | 12:57 |
| AStorm | and it's a step-up | 12:57 |
| AStorm | so, for car, I'd need a step-down ;P | 12:57 |
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| AStorm | http://www.chipcatalog.com/Maxim/MAX1687.htm whee | 13:00 |
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| AStorm | still too high Vin | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | just get 4xAA | 13:01 |
| AStorm | that's large | 13:02 |
| AStorm | what for if we have nice regulators? | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | 4xAA has a benefit of more juice | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:02 |
| AStorm | 2x AA can get 4000 mAh | 13:02 |
| AStorm | so? | 13:02 |
| AStorm | or more | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | heh, at 1.2V :P | 13:02 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:03 |
| AStorm | if I get nice enough regulator, it'd rock | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | but not too long | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:03 |
| AStorm | http://www.chipcatalog.com/Maxim/MAX1700.htm | 13:03 |
| AStorm | why not for long? ;P | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | nokia could just have used 2xAA for powering :/ | 13:04 |
| AStorm | slightly small Iout this time | 13:04 |
| AStorm | exactly, they could | 13:04 |
| AStorm | but the device would be too heavy | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | you're kidding, right? | 13:04 |
| AStorm | I'm not | 13:04 |
| AStorm | it's heavy as it is | 13:04 |
| AStorm | for holding in a hand | 13:04 |
| AStorm | bbml | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | btw. stepups have lower efficiency with lower Vin | 13:05 |
| glass | 4000mah at 1.2v vs 1500(or what is it at) at 3.7v.... | 13:05 |
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| AStorm | 3.7V? | 13:06 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | glass: with 90% efficiency it's 3600mAh @ 1.2v | 13:06 |
| AStorm | 3,6V is 3x NiMh | 13:06 |
| johnx | 3Whr vs 5.550 Whr (roughly) | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | but for that you would have to hack the battery | 13:06 |
| johnx | wait, that can't be right | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | you have to divide | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | not multiply | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:07 |
| AStorm | no, no and no | 13:07 |
| AStorm | multiply, really | 13:07 |
| glass | just multiply | 13:07 |
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| glass | 4000x1.2 vs 3.7x1500(or whatever the batt is, i forgot) | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | ok ok | 13:08 |
| AStorm | battery is 3,7V, yes | 13:08 |
| AStorm | 2-cell I think | 13:08 |
| AStorm | maybe 4 cell | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | still, it's not 4000 | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | ok, 4000 with 2x2200 | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:08 |
| AStorm | yeah, if we could just grab the cells... and correct charging | 13:09 |
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| AStorm | then it'd rock | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if it would charge with 5V | 13:09 |
| AStorm | you'd get ultralight expander, costing 125$ | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | with 3.6V | 13:09 |
| AStorm | well, it will | 13:09 |
| AStorm | but unless it's a smart battery, you'd fry it | 13:10 |
| AStorm | I don't know if it's one | 13:10 |
| AStorm | I think it is | 13:10 |
| AStorm | as I've seen no li-poly charger inside N810 | 13:10 |
| johnx | I used to use the pelican PSP external Li-Ion pack with my zaurus, until it got recalled as a fire risk... | 13:10 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:11 |
| johnx | it made a great squealing noise when in use | 13:11 |
| glass | ha | 13:11 |
| johnx | it annoyed everyone in the room | 13:11 |
| AStorm | haha, 300MHz charger ;P | 13:11 |
| AStorm | where certain harmonic is 15kHz | 13:11 |
| AStorm | and another is 3kHz | 13:12 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:12 |
| johnx | probably | 13:12 |
| AStorm | s/300MHz/300kHz/ | 13:12 |
| AStorm | ok, bbml, I'm already late :P | 13:13 |
| johnx | 'later :D | 13:13 |
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| Mikho | does anyone know why does my hildon_play_system_sound() call throw error messages like "arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_path (path)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 797 | 14:26 |
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| Mikho | the weird thing is that it plays the sound alright | 14:26 |
| Mikho | I have this problem only on the N770. The dev PC side works perfectly | 14:27 |
| Mikho | Maybe it tries to get the volume level from gconf but fails | 14:29 |
| lardman | It would be worth adding a bug for it | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 14:32 |
| lardman | Even though it has no effect, there is presumably something going wrong in either the code or the reporting method | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | it must be late | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | i have misread your nick as 'lartman' | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:32 |
| lardman | :) | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | k, bedtime ;) | 14:32 |
| lardman | 'night | 14:32 |
| Mikho | It's just one method call with one parameter: the sound file name | 14:33 |
| Mikho | what can go wrong? | 14:33 |
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| lardman | Mikho: is the source available? | 14:34 |
| Mikho | hildon-widgets/hildon-system-sound.h should be available, I guess | 14:35 |
| Mikho | gah, can't find the c file | 14:36 |
| Mikho | I think the gconf call fails for some reason | 14:39 |
| lardman | the source should be in the reop | 14:39 |
| lardman | repo | 14:39 |
| lardman | somewhere in here I imagine http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/d/dbus/ | 14:39 |
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| lardman | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/dbus-message_8c-source.html was what a quick Google found, but the line number doesn't match so there's probably a version or patch difference | 14:40 |
| Mikho | there are maybe 15 rows of error messages, that's just the first | 14:40 |
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| Mikho | it might be the line numbers don't match because of all the #ifndef and #endif blocks | 14:41 |
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| lcuk_work | dont compilers normally account for that and store the actual line number no matter whether you ifdefed or not | 14:42 |
| Dazgar1 | hi there | 14:42 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: That's what I would have thought... | 14:43 |
| Dazgar1 | anyone here having bad wifi performance here ? | 14:43 |
| Dazgar1 | i can't get more than 200ko with my n800 | 14:43 |
| lardman | Mikho: I see there's a test case here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-1/tests/check-hildon-system-sound.c | 14:43 |
| Cptn-N800 | Kb or kB? | 14:43 |
| Mikho | hmm | 14:44 |
| lardman | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-libs/hildon-widgets/hildon-system-sound.c there's the code | 14:44 |
| lardman | lunch time | 14:44 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Ive had abot 200KB, but my line isnt faster :p | 14:45 |
| Mikho | argh, I don't have time for this | 14:47 |
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| Dazgar1 | Cptn-N800: sorry | 14:48 |
| Dazgar1 | kB | 14:48 |
| Dazgar1 | but 200KB is miserable, even my n95 is faster than that !! | 14:48 |
| Dazgar1 | i can't do any serious x11 forwarding with such bad performance :( | 14:49 |
| Cptn-N800 | ...What do you need that fast speed for? | 14:49 |
| lcuk_work | is this specific tested wifi speed only, or a single site that your using for testing? | 14:49 |
| Dazgar1 | X11 forwarding :) | 14:49 |
| Dazgar1 | and to control ardour from my n800 when recording | 14:50 |
| lcuk_work | when you say your n95 is faster - is that using wifi? | 14:50 |
| lcuk_work | ie is it doing the encryption/decryption? | 14:50 |
| Dazgar1 | lcuk_work: yes using wifi | 14:50 |
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| ImMelody | mornin' | 14:51 |
| Dazgar1 | the n800 is of course encoding for the ssh suppport | 14:51 |
| lcuk_work | mornin ImMelody, did you get your supper :P | 14:51 |
| Dazgar1 | but the device never get high cpu usage when doing so | 14:51 |
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| ImMelody | he never woke me up... so I slept until 4am when all the junk wore off | 14:52 |
| lcuk_work | dunno then | 14:52 |
| lcuk_work | :D hit him round the head with your nokia | 14:52 |
| Dazgar1 | lol | 14:52 |
| Dazgar1 | :D | 14:52 |
| ImMelody | I don't want to do that to my nokia ;) | 14:52 |
| lcuk_work | (gently so you dont break it ;) ) | 14:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | Maemo Assaultweapon | 14:53 |
| Cptn-N800 | *Wants n800 with tazer attachement*i | 14:53 |
| lcuk_work | sharpen the edges and use it as a shuriken | 14:53 |
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| ImMelody | Now that would be awesome! | 14:53 |
| ImMelody | the tazer attachment | 14:53 |
| Cptn-N800 | And technically possible | 14:54 |
| lcuk_work | its hardly fear inducing to tell the crook to wait whilst you whip out your stylus, navigate the menus and finally run the app you want before tazer barbs emerge | 14:54 |
| Cptn-N800 | No problem making a n800 controlled tazer | 14:54 |
| Dazgar1 | im transfering a file to teh n800 now : 320KB :s | 14:54 |
| lcuk_work | you would want some sort of gesture recognition on the front screen | 14:54 |
| ImMelody | That's why you put a button on your desktop just for it ;) | 14:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | Voice recognition | 14:55 |
| lcuk_work | a quick zorro mark on the screen, select power rating and BOOM | 14:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | "Deploy tazer" | 14:55 |
| Dazgar1 | with an other device using teh same wifi network i can get ~1MB | 14:55 |
| lcuk_work | Dear aunt, let’s set so double the killer delete select all. | 14:56 |
| lcuk_work | Cptn-N800: would it actually pop out of the top like inspector gadget type equipment | 14:56 |
| ImMelody | of course, the problem comes if a thief grabs your nokia as part of his loot.. then he could tase you | 14:56 |
| lcuk_work | self tazing :D reverse the polarity of the case | 14:57 |
| ImMelody | finger print recognition? :D | 14:57 |
| lcuk_work | obut dont tell anyone the secret arming code or they will shout it at you | 14:57 |
| lcuk_work | heh, im working on fake fingerprint activation at the moment | 14:57 |
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| lcuk_work | it will look and act like a security app, but obviously wont do it properly | 14:58 |
| lcuk_work | but it will block out people who dont know the trick | 14:58 |
| Cptn-N800 | Built one of those robot puppy n800's on youtube and pout in a tazer | 14:59 |
| lcuk_work | Don't Taze Me Elmo! | 15:00 |
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| ImMelody | lol... I'll bbiab.. gotta get kiddo up and ready for school | 15:01 |
| Dazgar1 | by the way, is it possible to do xdmcp with maemo ? | 15:01 |
| lcuk_work | k taze ya later | 15:01 |
| Dazgar1 | i mean accessing my destop from my n800 | 15:02 |
| Cptn-N800 | Inmeldoy: operate a bt module into your kid and control him with your it | 15:02 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Eat_your_fucking_brokoli.deb | 15:02 |
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| Navi | Wasn't there a gtk editor designed for the tablets somewhere? | 15:08 |
| lcuk_work | you mean gtk widget editor or code editor | 15:09 |
| Navi | either one, I don't know. | 15:09 |
| lcuk_work | pygtkeditor (khertan) uses a gtk text editing component | 15:09 |
| lcuk_work | which is highlighting and configurable for languages | 15:10 |
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| lcuk_work | must dash | 15:11 |
| lcuk_work | back after work | 15:12 |
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| gribouille | hi | 15:24 |
| gribouille | is xchat available for OS 2008 ? | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | it's not on maemo.org/downloads | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | I looked for it this morning | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | hm, OS 2007 xchat is also not found there | 15:27 |
| * mgedmin found the sources | 15:29 | |
| X-Fade | I gave skyhusker rights to upload it to extras. He was planning to do that. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't seem be in extras yet though.. | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | whois skyhusker? | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | Santtu Lakkala? | 15:30 |
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| mgedmin | I want a "porting maemo 3.x apps to maemo 4.x" HOWTO | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | what replaced HildonProgram? | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 15:34 |
| hrw | gribouille: it is | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should just script that. | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've already got a bind for it. <_< | 15:35 |
| hrw | ~xchat | 15:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: no sources in there -- not good | 15:35 |
| hrw | ~xchat-maemo | 15:35 |
| hrw | mgedmin: normal when it comes to maemo packages | 15:35 |
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| mgedmin | "normal" is the wrong word | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | "usual", perhaps | 15:35 |
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| mgedmin | "illegal" as well | 15:36 |
| hrw | infobot: xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon | 15:36 |
| infobot | hrw: okay | 15:36 |
| hrw | ~xchat-maemo | 15:36 |
| infobot | i heard xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Illegal is the wrong word. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a criminal offense. | 15:37 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is against license? | 15:37 |
| ImMelody | I wasn't aware that maemo was released under GNU license | 15:42 |
| hrw | ImMelody: only parts | 15:43 |
| hrw | and only some versions of components | 15:44 |
| hrw | ImMelody: basically maemo is mix of open/close components. some of closed ones were open in previous versions etc | 15:45 |
| ImMelody | That was my point. Can't be illegal or against license if it's only partially under GNU. I'm pretty sure that it's totally under Nokia license which protects them. | 15:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We're not talking about maemo. | 15:46 |
| hrw | ImMelody: what does mamemo has to xchat? | 15:46 |
| ImMelody | I don't think I read far enough back up then.. XD | 15:47 |
| ImMelody | I was going off the statement "normal when it comes to maemo packages" | 15:47 |
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| ImMelody | Ignore me then :) | 15:48 |
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| gribouille | is it possible to start applications automatically when the tablet boots (like Autostart) ? | 15:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | Dont think so | 15:58 |
| Cptn-N800 | I seem to remember someone asking that some months ago | 15:58 |
| xuser | why not, its linux... | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17168 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169203 | 16:00 |
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| gribouille | the solution is a lot more complex than with ubuntu ! | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not an officially supported feature. | 16:16 |
| gribouille | unfortunately, many featues common in linux distros are not supported | 16:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Because it's a mobile platform | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The capabilities of a desktop or laptop system are practically unlimited compared to the tablets. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Things have to be slimmed down for it to work at all. | 16:19 |
| gribouille | but why prenvent the user from customizing his tablet if he wants to ? | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing does. | 16:22 |
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| gribouille | GeneralAntilles, I mean without having to hack the OS | 16:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Back to my first point. | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | Are we at the "let's use Ubuntu" topic again? | 16:26 |
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| wnd | I think we're getting there ;-) | 16:26 |
| keesj | the modest client starts by default | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Trying to let people understand that a machine with about 5% of the power of your desktop can do the same as your desktop. | 16:28 |
| gribouille | it's not really 5% | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Can or can't? | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Can't.. sorry.. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: As funny as it is, it can (and it is a bit more than 5% anyway) | 16:29 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But most applications spend an awful lot of time waiting for user input, so it is not that bad | 16:29 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: I have 4GB in my desktop with a 4 core cpu that has all kind of multimedia optimizations.. | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | It can run a lot more at the same time. | 16:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But there is still screensize, memory size, available storage, and input method defficiencies to consider | 16:30 |
| Mel|BRB | I don't understand the feeling of "wanting more" when what the nokia does is incredible in the first place | 16:30 |
| keesj | funny enough it is the bt keyboard that is not handler in a timely fasion | 16:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: That is *you*. I have a plain 1.1GHz Centrino with 1GB | 16:30 |
| hrw | Mel|BRB: o yes, they do lot. and how much in bad style.. | 16:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: It still does the job | 16:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: With Trident video (the post-bankrupcy one) | 16:31 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but remove 800 mb ram, disable swap etc. Then you will feel the pain too. | 16:32 |
| Mel|BRB | 5 yrs ago we couldn't have imagined that something so small could do all that we can do on our nokias. And in 5 more years there will be even more that you can do with space so small.. but wanting tomorrows technology today seems a bit unfair.. | 16:32 |
| Mel|BRB | Okay.. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now :P | 16:33 |
| hrw | Mel|BRB: 5 years ago I did not thought that one day I will have to hack 'open' device to have something done right... | 16:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I did a lot of development on FreeBSD running on a 90MHz Pentium ;) | 16:33 |
| RST38h | 8MB RAM | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, but try to run current firefox on it.. | 16:34 |
| hrw | my slowest linux box was 386sx+fpu+5MB ram + 120MB hdd | 16:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But still, I do not understand why people want full Ubuntu on a palmtop | 16:34 |
| hrw | with vga mono monitor | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | People expect to run current software on 'old spec' hardware. | 16:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Even at THAT time Firefox proved to be a problem ;) | 16:34 |
| RST38h | OMAP2 is not old spec, it is just in a different class | 16:35 |
| RST38h | It's a bicycle, not a car | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but if I have to explain that to newbies :) | 16:35 |
| hrw | X-Fade: but why microb was not updated at all since chinook? it is known to be slow and gecko 1.9 moved a lot since microb/chinook... | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Ask timeless, I really don't know. | 16:35 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Just inform them of power requirements | 16:35 |
| Mel|BRB | hrw: I can understand that nokia wants to protect itself. The fact that it's the only products of it's "kind" and we don't have to pay a cent for anything past the model itself leaves me happy. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | N810 reports 5 hours of active battery use or 10 days standby with full battery | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Those figures are way too low ;) | 16:36 |
| Mel|BRB | I tell my mom the things I can do on it. You know what she says, "I can do that on my palm too. I just need to go buy the program." Sorry if I'm happy with what I have. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | That is 1.1Wh active or 23mWh standby | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | A month standby can be done.. | 16:36 |
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| hrw | wich 'normal' distro I can just upgrade browser to newer version to get speedups | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, blame the release cycles of bundled software. | 16:37 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: or nokia/maemo itself | 16:37 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, I guess they mean "standby with this particular set of bg apps" | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. Nokia | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | hrw: chinook is not capable of updates without flashing.. | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Because these numbers are computed dynamically | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Let's see when diablo is out.. | 16:37 |
| hrw | X-Fade: none of maemo releases is and rather none will be | 16:37 |
| hrw | s/is/was | 16:37 |
| RST38h | But if you compare 1.1/0.23 with Atom's declared figures, it is laughable | 16:38 |
| RST38h | 0.023, sorry | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Just the Atom CPU (800MHz) requires 2.5Wh/0.1Wh | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | Yes, you can run "full Ubuntu" on it, but not for very long, and what for? | 16:39 |
| hrw | RST38h: basically you will get hit very fast when try to use non-maemo system on nokia tablets | 16:40 |
| RST38h | hrw: Not necessarily | 16:40 |
| hrw | RST38h: no battery status | 16:40 |
| RST38h | hrw: First, you are unlikely to do any worse than 5 hours | 16:40 |
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| hrw | RST38h: depends on what is running | 16:40 |
| RST38h | hrw: Which is still pretty decent for this kind of system with this kidn of battery | 16:40 |
| dragorn | RST38h: unless you don't put the wifi device to sleep properly, then you get about 2 | 16:41 |
| hrw | RST38h: no one likes to have device dying just because battery out | 16:41 |
| RST38h | hrw: Second, nothing prohibits you from implementing power-saving | 16:41 |
| hrw | dragorn: if you will get wifi working | 16:41 |
| RST38h | Let's assume that you sign an NDA and get the documentation | 16:41 |
| hrw | RST38h: do you have datasheets for hardware? | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | hrw: I don't, but somebody the size of Canonical should have no problems getting them | 16:42 |
| hrw | RST38h: brb | 16:42 |
| dragorn | hrw: I have yet to find a way to restore the power save settings from inside nokia, let alone from a hacked firmware, and I've spent a fair amount of time on it. Then again, it also turned out to NOT be the cause of the drivers sucking, they just still suck. | 16:42 |
| hrw | daughter calls | 16:42 |
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| dragorn | As far as wifi drivers, the chipset is already understood, it's a prism54 with a softmac. the problem is conexant put a bunch of custom stuff on it and stuck it on the SPI bus. The custom stuff makes calibration hard/obscured. | 16:43 |
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| hrw | dragorn: spi bus is not so big problem | 16:48 |
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| fysa | wonderful wide scrollbar | 16:49 |
| dragorn | hrw: correct, other than breaking things until it's supported. However the configuration data nokia uses IS a big problem. if you really care, go look on the linux kernel wireless mailing list logs and look at johannes' work | 16:49 |
| hrw | dragorn: thx but I already fought a bit with umac.ko and companies and got tired | 16:50 |
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| hrw | for now I will stay with 'running non-maemo on tablets are not granted to be usable' | 16:50 |
| dragorn | yup, but this has nothing to do with umac.ko, this is about implementing an open driver. But whatever. | 16:50 |
| dragorn | and running maemo on it is not granted to be usable in any edge cases, unfortunately | 16:50 |
| hrw | dragorn: at least it gives working battery/bt/wifi | 16:51 |
| dragorn | hrw: depending what you need to do with wifi, yup | 16:51 |
| hrw | and non-working i18n ;D | 16:51 |
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| hrw | dragorn: scan for networks, connect to clean/wep/wpa ones | 16:51 |
| hrw | dragorn: I use n810 as irc/im/web client mostly | 16:51 |
| dragorn | hrw: my biggest gripes are a broken usb dma system making some of my hw unworkable, worked in the beta and not in the release so all that code is worthless now, and completely borked rfmon making my other primary use for the device useless as well. | 16:52 |
| hrw | it lack good PIM with alarms | 16:52 |
| hrw | dragorn: simple - next time you will choose hardware more detailing | 16:52 |
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| dragorn | hrw: yes, it's obviously my fault that I wanted to support additional platforms with my stuff, my mistake. | 16:53 |
| dragorn | hrw: thanks for clearing that up | 16:53 |
| hrw | that was not what I wanted to say but let it be | 16:53 |
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| * mgedmin has a toaster that could use some extra software... not really | 16:54 | |
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| hrw | dragorn: it is hard to require nicely working HW from companies which do not care too much | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | I admit when I bought my first 770 I thought all of the software on it was opensource, and was very disappointed | 16:54 |
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| dragorn | hrw: it's unfortunate that the team at nokia who did the device did such a good job, and appear to have no support from anyone else in the company towards taking it the last steps to make it a great devie | 16:55 |
| dragorn | especially when code that would sell more devices for them won't work solely because of software inadequacies. | 16:56 |
| * mgedmin fears that there are more people in the world who think the ultra-closed iPhone is a great device than people who think the completely-open OpenMoko is a great device | 16:56 | |
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| hrw | daughter calls | 16:56 |
| Navi | While the iPhone is puke, it has a better form than the Freerunner | 16:59 |
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| MangoFusion | ideals and implementations are two different things ;) | 17:01 |
| hrw | indeed | 17:04 |
| hrw | openmoko team needs more time to give usable software for their hardware | 17:04 |
| lardman | I would simply like to have more transparency in the decision making process | 17:04 |
| hrw | hardware with 8 years old gsm modem... | 17:04 |
| lardman | I would like to know why such and such hasn't been done, etc | 17:04 |
| hrw | lardman: or why was done in wrong way | 17:04 |
| lardman | indeed | 17:05 |
| hrw | mgedmin: iphone has nicer hardware then openmoko phones | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | hrw: I don't think you will ever get the tech docs for the gsm modem in the iphone ;) | 17:06 |
| lardman | hrw: but the fun is in making it work surely; not so much fun to have something that already works (imo anyway) | 17:06 |
| hrw | X-Fade: officially I do not have openmoko one too | 17:06 |
| lardman | hrw: though it's also not much fun not knowing how to get something to work... | 17:07 |
| hrw | lardman: I would prefer to get opensourced maemo | 17:07 |
| hrw | hacking open maemo would be probably more fun then writing from scratch 5th set of openmoko ideas | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | Getting tech docs for hardware will always be hard if companies think that it is their IP. And I think they keep certain things under NDA because they have flaws.. | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | And don't want to look bad for othere.. | 17:09 |
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| X-Fade | *others. | 17:09 |
| lardman | hrw: yes indeed, I was thinking more of the hardware | 17:09 |
| MangoFusion | nah, its just to keep the competition at bay | 17:10 |
| hrw | X-Fade: at least they could make some steps to make it easier to hack for users | 17:10 |
| lardman | X-Fade: do you think that really matters to them? The people they sell to will see the flaws when they get access to the docs, etc. | 17:10 |
| hrw | X-Fade: I can use Poky on 770 or n810 but what sense it has without battery info? or with broken wifi? | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Let me think, sell 100M chips for symbian phones without troubles or sell a few openmokos.. | 17:11 |
| lardman | hrw: well we can get battery info | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | That is how hardware companies think.. | 17:11 |
| lardman | hrw: just rather granular, but I understand your point. | 17:11 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: and when they buy those 100M chips for symbian phones they get 100K of crap gps chips to use in anything for free. I think thats how n810 got gps -- no one in nokia wanted to use it :D | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | Try to get that point across to the TI hardware department is not easy.. | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | hrw: They work fine with symbian ;) | 17:12 |
| lardman | I see they are opening up the newer chips though | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | My n95 has a fix in 10 seconds. | 17:12 |
| lardman | the 35xx arch manual is available, etc. | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah that looks promising.. | 17:13 |
| hrw | X-Fade: magic letter 'A' in AGPS :D | 17:13 |
| lardman | shame they don't "back port" the changes ;) | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Is the new hardware that much different? | 17:13 |
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| lardman | dunno, but for me, the IVA is a newer version and the PowerVR the same | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | lardman: That they now dare to publish it and not for older versions? :) | 17:13 |
| lardman | PowerVR the same as in a newer version; so not much use | 17:13 |
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| mgedmin | X-Fade: the wikipedia page about GPS is a good way to reduce your expectations and learn to love the n810's built-in one | 17:17 |
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| MangoFusion | X-Fade: fix in 10 seconds? which way are you holding it? | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | MangoFusion: It uses agps. So it practically does a warm start. | 17:17 |
| dragorn | mgedmin: I love that it HAS one. I don't love the one it has. :P | 17:18 |
| MangoFusion | mine tends to take minutes rather than seconds. though then again i usually don't have the maps open 24/7 | 17:18 |
| lardman | Setting up AGPS infrastructure (or piggybacking) is the sort of thing that would be interesting to do if we had some more info about whether we could even achieve the end goal | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | lardman: The symbian team already does it, the maemo team would need to implement the same. | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | how? bluetooth to a phone? | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | AGPS needs GSM or equivalent | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | hm, AGPS over Internet? | 17:20 |
| lardman | GPRS message from the base station probably | 17:20 |
| lardman | fed by that supl.nokia.org server (iirc) | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: geoclue could provide some info about your location. It could be used to lookup the info.. | 17:20 |
| lardman | X-Fade: the looking up is not the issue, it's how to communicate that with the AGPS chip | 17:21 |
| lardman | that's the sort of thing that Nokia could give us and people would enjoy (me at least) getting it to work | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I'm affaid that that info is only available under NDA from TI. | 17:23 |
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| lardman | in that case an interface could be provided presumably | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Nokia can't just give out this info. (Believe me, I tried to get it for you when I was at the office :) | 17:23 |
| lardman | Thanks :) | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | New personal menu out. | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much more efficient. | 17:26 |
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| dragorn | putting the stupidity of NDAing functionality aside, this is something that should have had a dbus api or something so people could at least talk to that API | 17:27 |
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| hrw | re | 17:27 |
| lardman | dragorn: yep, the problem of avoiding the NDAs is an interesting one | 17:28 |
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| zserfsnz | is someone aware of microB extensions for developers ? | 17:28 |
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| dragorn | lardman: Not really, they've been doing it on the other stuff (ie wireless). People will still bitch, but all it would take is another nokia "we won't give you the source" binary with a dbus hook | 17:28 |
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| dragorn | lardman: send x.y.z dbus signal with guessed location to seed the agps | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | dragorn: Yes, I agree. That is the best way to get around that. | 17:29 |
| dragorn | lardman: then their own stuff, skyhook, whatever can use it | 17:29 |
| lardman | dragorn: Yes, I didn't mean difficult, more that we need to somehow persuade Nokia that it's worth a small investment (time) on their part to make us happy & productive | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has anybody filed an enhancement request? | 17:29 |
| lardman | yes | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | #? | 17:30 |
| lardman | I'll find the bug number, hang on a tick | 17:30 |
| dragorn | lardman: going back to, I get the impression there's like a dozen people at nokia who are really dedicated to the device, with no support from the company at large. | 17:30 |
| lardman | 2890 for AGPS | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Voted. | 17:30 |
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| lardman | I've added the interface thing explicitly | 17:35 |
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| lardman | to the bug that is | 17:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's disturbing that the Vista theme has more downloads than mplayer on garage. | 17:38 |
| lardman | I wonder if that's a problem with some of the enhancement requests; they are read as "some users want a complete solution, we can't do that (for whatever reason, probably time)", while in fact they mean "give us just enough info to do it ourselves, please" | 17:39 |
| ImMelody | there's a vista theme? | 17:39 |
| Navi | It's not disturbing :P | 17:39 |
| ImMelody | I got NuvoPearl and haven't looked at themes since | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | My personal finding has been that all of the 3rd party themes pretty much suck. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minus LCARS, of course. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I can't be seen with that in public. | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Echo is the way for me. | 17:40 |
| ImMelody | I like the look of Nuvo, except they did a sucky job with arrows | 17:40 |
| Navi | I like NuvoClear | 17:41 |
| Navi | but it needs some gtk widget drop-ins | 17:41 |
| ImMelody | The arrows to scroll bookmarks just look cheap considering | 17:41 |
| Navi | buttons don't fit very well | 17:41 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:59 |
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| denny | heyla | 18:02 |
| denny | trying to install the rtcomm thing, but I'm getting the 'contains updates to packages installed from a diff source, likely to harm system' error. I've gone into red pill mode and I get the same error but with a 'continue anyway' button, which I'm kind of scared of... any thoughts? | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/#install2 | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Follow those instructions. | 18:05 |
| denny | that's what I was doing | 18:05 |
| denny | stage 4 gives me the 'likely to harm your system' error | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just Application manager being stupid. | 18:06 |
| hrw | use terminal not appmanager? | 18:06 |
| denny | so it's safe to continue? | 18:06 |
| denny | for 'hey, it's only a toy anyway' values of safe, at least :) | 18:06 |
| aquatix | denny: it might blow up your house | 18:07 |
| denny | GeneralAntilles: you've done this? | 18:07 |
| aquatix | chances aren't that large though | 18:07 |
| denny | aquatix: if I've still got one... some guys were there today installing a ventilation system | 18:07 |
| denny | apparently I have shiny new holes in my walls o.O | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been a while since I installed the beta. | 18:07 |
| aquatix | it worked fine here btw | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use the Collabora telepathy extensions for AIM support. | 18:08 |
| aquatix | denny: that's the idea of ventilation right? ;) | 18:08 |
| denny | pretty much, yeah | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually not the walls, though. :P | 18:09 |
| denny | "any hole's a goal", as the saying goes | 18:09 |
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| aquatix | sounds rounchy | 18:10 |
| aquatix | *raunchy | 18:10 |
| zuh | denny: I hope you are talking about golf, not sex | 18:10 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 18:10 |
| denny | zuh: tetris ;) | 18:11 |
| aquatix | denny: riiight | 18:11 |
| denny | I worked out a complete philosophy of life based on tetris once... | 18:11 |
| aquatix | haha | 18:11 |
| denny | 1. if it fits in the hole, stick it in the hole | 18:11 |
| denny | 2. if it doesn't fit in the hole, try a different angle | 18:11 |
| denny | 2. if it still doesn't fit, try a different hole | 18:11 |
| denny | uh, 3 | 18:12 |
| denny | 4. if it /still/ doesn't fit, just ram it in the hole anyway | 18:12 |
| denny | I think that was it. | 18:12 |
| hrw | can someone fix repository.maemo.org server? | 18:12 |
| aquatix | does it involve hammers? | 18:12 |
| denny | someone quotefile those two lines ;) | 18:12 |
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| hrw | it has broken directory listings - no possibility to change ordering, default ordering is by date which is insane | 18:13 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: What is the problem? | 18:18 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: it has broken directory listings - no possibility to change ordering, default ordering is by date which is insane | 18:19 |
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| cyberholic | Hi veryone :) | 18:23 |
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| * unixSnob searches for a GPS tracking app | 18:29 | |
| * unixSnob finds nothing for maemo | 18:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "tracking"? | 18:30 |
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| unixSnob | I want to be able to have my gps position published, in real-time, on the web or the like | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpsd + an http server | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be damn simple. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, I'm fairly certain somebody has done it. | 18:31 |
| unixSnob | cool.. i'll check it out | 18:31 |
| unixSnob | can gpsd access the gps device at the same time as another app (like mapper)? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | unixSnob: I think yes, if both use libgpsbt/libgpsmgr | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's purpose | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | to provide the gps data to multiple applications and devices. ;) | 18:33 |
| RST38h | web server may not be such a good idea | 18:33 |
| unixSnob | i'll probably try to get a little more elaborate.. and try to immitate functionality of http://www.findmespot.com/Home.aspx | 18:33 |
| unixSnob | I'd like non-technical users to be able to track me.. and perhaps see my position on a google map | 18:33 |
| RST38h | don't want to run it on the tablet, would probably want to make tablet contact stationary web server by http and upload positions | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, actually. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interfacing with gpsd over the net would be a better idea. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Send the gpsd info to a remote webserver. | 18:34 |
| RST38h | there may be a service like this already | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Nokia's Personal Web Server comes to mind | 18:34 |
| anidel | going home.. bye bye guys | 18:36 |
| unixSnob | is nokia's service GPS smart? Eg. I just send it position, and it puts it on a map for visitors? | 18:36 |
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| RST38h | unix: I do not know what they are currently doing. Just know that they had a feature like that in development | 18:38 |
| chrisak | nothing on the forum yet; did the modest update/fix work for anyone? | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it available yet? | 18:40 |
| smackpotato | i want to connect a serail terminal over bluetooth over bluetooth can anyone point me in the right direction | 18:40 |
| RST38h | http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/other-gps-tracking.html | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Check out these | 18:40 |
| chrisak | just updated via app manager about 15 min ago. now trying fresh install instead of update | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Modest breaks backup/restore process. | 18:41 |
| RST38h | One of its XML config files contains "@" characters for email addresses and Nokia Backup dies on these | 18:41 |
| ||cw | smackpotato: pair the rfcomms and connect | 18:42 |
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| smackpotato | is that simple | 18:44 |
| cyberholic | ok, i left my girlfriend and quit my job this morning. What for? I am going to start a rock career! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4356965146143564549&hl=en | 18:44 |
| ||cw | never tried, not sure what you'd connect the rfcomm to on the host though | 18:44 |
| ||cw | unless it's a real serial port or something | 18:45 |
| MangoFusion | cyberholic: bet you can't press two | 18:45 |
| MangoFusion | at once | 18:45 |
| MangoFusion | drums that is | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Yeah, I had noticed the same problem. I don't have access to that machine, but will contact the one responsible for it. | 18:45 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 18:45 |
| chrisak | rats, same connection error as prev version (modest) | 18:45 |
| cyberholic | Mango: lol. i thought you meant my girlfriend(s) :) | 18:45 |
| smackpotato | ill read some more | 18:46 |
| cyberholic | i was sweating after this 2 minutes! *lol* | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Motorola has invested in mobile virtualisation provider VirtualLogix, creating the possibility of a handset that can switch between different OSs almost as quickly as Motorola declares support for them. | 18:47 |
| RST38h | Umgh. | 18:47 |
| iDS | Nokia N880 is on the way :D | 18:47 |
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| chrisak | modest prob jusst confirmed on itt; guess wait for "18" :) | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It works fine. | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | W17 works fine for me | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what brontide's issue is. | 18:48 |
| chrisak | odd, wonder what i'm doing wrong on my end :\ | 18:50 |
| hrw | X-Fade: thx | 18:52 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Modest isn't fixed for me too. | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weirdness | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | I still have the wrong port error.. | 18:57 |
| chrisak | antilles, just to confirm, your .17 can connect to gmail imap? | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | Rebooted 3 times, changed server settings to imap tls, reboot, back to imaps.. | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, works fine. | 18:58 |
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| iDS | what are tv tools for n800? | 19:00 |
| cyberholic | myth i think. | 19:00 |
| iDS | and? | 19:01 |
| iDS | where can i find myth? | 19:01 |
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| cyberholic | well... what exactly do you want? have you tried the download section at maemo.org ? | 19:01 |
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| iDS | cyberholic yes couldn't find it | 19:02 |
| cyberholic | And the garage? | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, I believe. | 19:02 |
| iDS | tnx | 19:02 |
| iDS | by the way where is the folder of my n800 internet downlod? | 19:02 |
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| iDS | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mtv/ here is it? | 19:07 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, also works fine with a clean OS2008 install. | 19:10 |
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| solmumaha | anyone know how to make hildon-application-manager to install a local package? via dbus or commandline. i can't seem to find proper documentation for that, they only mention .install files and dbus-monitor didn't help | 19:27 |
| derf | Why not just use dpkg -i | 19:29 |
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| solmumaha | it's for an application and dpkg would require root privileges | 19:34 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 19:40 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi! | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | Hello, new pypackager seems nice :) | 19:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | Thx | 19:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | do u have try it ? | 19:52 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | as i need to explain how it works | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Not yet I haven't, I just got back from a day out and I'm quite tired actually >.< | 19:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and make a documentation on packages upload process | 19:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s not very easy the first time | 19:54 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | obtain a maemo repository account make a gpg sign key | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | For me, I don't upload anything to any repos. Any quick and rubbish ports I make, I just mediafire them and place the links on ITT :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 19:55 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | so i don t know your port :) | 19:55 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | i read less and less itt | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, nothing special what I've done :) | 19:56 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | reading that ubuntu is a great thing for nit ...make me anxious for the future ... | 19:57 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | so i only post about my soft and answer to user having problem with my soft | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | I love Ubuntu, I use it as my main distro but I don't think it's really designed for the N8*0's. I think the packages available will be great though. | 19:57 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | i don t use it since the auto update feature kill the kernel and rescue kernel 3 times | 19:59 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i prefer less update but more stable process | 19:59 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s why i use debian | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | That's bad luck. My kernel's been updated a lot of times but it still works, the only thing that got killed for me is usbnet so I can't use N800 in usbnetworking mode anymore. | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, debian seems great too. | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think anybody with any real knowledge has actually contributed anything useful to the Ubuntu discussion so far. | 20:00 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and i think in future i ll give a try to GreenOS | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly it just seems to be a lot of idiocy and misunderstanding. | 20:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | GA > right ... | 20:01 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | and it s | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thoughtfix's latest posts have been more idiocy. <_< | 20:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | more and more true for many itt topics | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sadly | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been going downhill for a while, though. | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | I can't decide whether this will be a good thing or a bad thing. More packages is always good but it means that Maemo may get less developers. If that PDF from the Mojo project is anything to do on, less developers doesn't sound good. At the end of the day, Maemo is designed for Internet tablets and the like and Ubuntu is for desktops. Even Ubuntu Mobile edition has hildon as the gui. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, I haven't seen any meaningful or useful analysis of it so far. | 20:05 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | an other thing that irritate me on itt is the war about qt over gtk | 20:05 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | as i don t like qt :) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | One thing I _don't_ think will be happening is Nokia moving to just bundling Ubuntu | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since that just plain can't work. | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, +1 | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way too much stupidity on ITT. <_< | 20:06 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | ga + 1 | 20:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reading back through those old technut threads . . . | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know any good hex editors for Linux? All the ones I found suck. I like Hex Workshop and WinHex in windows. | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | absolutely nothing useful came out of all that talk. | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | ga + 1 again | 20:08 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | ga > do u still use my home* applet ? | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just internal temperature for now. | 20:12 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | do u have notice battery drain ? | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I'd still like a F/C switch for :D | 20:12 |
| gribouille | Incredible : the command 'dpkg -L dbus' lists the file /usr/share/man/man1/dbus-send.1.gz, but the file does'nt exist ! | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | gribouille, docpurge? | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 20:13 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No documentation is included. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Saves space. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx recommended a fortune applet, Khertan_on_n810. :D | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | That would be fun, does fortune exist for OS2007/8? | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it wouldn't be particularly difficult to package. | 20:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Nope, cant find it on my tablet. I'll see if I can do it now. | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | hmm, fortune home applet | 20:14 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | lol | 20:14 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | so why not | 20:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 20:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | once someone can compile it | 20:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | for maemo | 20:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ll do it :) | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | I'll go start? But which version lol | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | I'm leaning towards the debian repos | 20:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | the last one ? ;) | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | From what I read, it varies on distro's, *nix's etc | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just stick to the Debian stuff. :P | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | Fortune-mod it is :P | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although, I suppose you should make sure it can limit the size. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | As a number of them are rather large. | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, why don't we all try? I suckzors :p | 20:17 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | lol | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, if you do get the initfs logo changed, let me know. | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So much more badass than the stupid Nokia hands -> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip :D | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I'd like to try but I cannot figure out what that format is. I think it's some sort of binary format due to ash trying to exec it once. | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd also be nice to change the background color to black rather than white, too. | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since the slow image redraw rate becomes quite apparent when the white blocks show up. | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Not sure about the image (but I guess it can be done with a new logo) but bootmenu.sh can be changed to swap the colours around. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | orly? | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blue-on-black to match the images would be nice. | 20:21 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | connection will drop | 20:21 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i unter subway | 20:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | is there any way to get full flash working in the built in browser, or is there minefield browser now that works properly on the N800? his is for OS 2008. | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We have full flash on the built-in browser. | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Yeah the colours are in hex, supplied on the command line. I'll give it a go later, I've been reflashing initfs for most of the day so I don't really mind another go. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't played with the initfs much | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I assume I can change it on a booted system? | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, no, the initfs is mounted read only. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mount it somewhere else or change it in fanoush's flasher and reflash? | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | with initfs flasher, it can be done though if you reflash initfs. | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Change it in fanoush's flasher. | 20:23 |
| WorkingOnWise | nope. If I go to iscrybe.com with the built in browser and hit the login lin I see no login dialog. If I go there with minefield, I can log in but without the menus and popup keyboard working right it is not useable. | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Before it asks to flash bootmenu.conf, open a new terminal and cd to initfs_flasher and cd to initfs in that. | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, is flash turned on? | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have full Flash 9 with MicroB | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tablets have ALWAYS had full Flash. | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you sure it's Flash and not some AJAX messiness? | 20:24 |
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| WorkingOnWise | GeneralAntilles: that could be. iscrybe is a very ajax heavy site | 20:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | so is there some way to get a more tables friendly minefield? Or ajax friendly builtin browser? | 20:26 |
| WorkingOnWise | tables=tablet | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could build the MicroB svn | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe someone else can do fortune-mod :P. It needs librecode. GeneralAntilles, I'll work on the black bootmenu. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I've yet to hear of anybody having success there. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:27 |
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| WorkingOnWise | so I will have to wait.... iscrybe is the perfect planner for the IT too! | 20:29 |
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| gribouille | does hildon support drag and drop ? | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 20:38 |
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| gribouille | something I find extremely frustrating is the absence of shortcuts for applications | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | "shortcuts"? | 20:39 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | re | 20:39 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | still no port of fortune yet ? | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 gave up. | 20:40 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | (ps : i ve never use it) | 20:40 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | the homefortune applet is near ready :) | 20:41 |
| gribouille | GeneralAntilles, if there is an app you use often, it is better to simply click on a button to laounch instead of going through the menu hierarchy | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install Personal Menu, IDEA or simplelauncher then. ;) | 20:41 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ven t still found how to make prefs panel for applet in python ...pfff | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, you ported fortune? :) | 20:42 |
| gribouille | GeneralAntilles, which one is the best ? | 20:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | no i m waiting your port | 20:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably simple launcher | 20:43 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, I had to give up. I'm doing something else ATM. Sorry. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personal Menu accomplishes a slightly different goal | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worth installing, too. | 20:43 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | no prob | 20:43 |
| fysa | any ReadBurner users? | 20:43 |
| fysa | they seem to support Google Reader somehow now, with a possibly more microb-friendly interface. | 20:43 |
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| fysa | oh, nevermind, it's silly. | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I've made modifications to bootmenu.sh, after the reboot to restore original inifs, I'm gonna try the white text on black background out. | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, I'll try fortune again after I've done this. Meanwhile, someone please port fortune, would save time (and I'm not guaranteed to even make a working port) | 20:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles begins prodding qwerty12 with a sharpened stick. | 20:48 | |
| qwerty12 | OUCH | 20:48 |
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| qwerty12 | fook, I've half done it. I took the lazy way out with find and replace. Here's what I got so far. I need to finish this off. http://i25.tinypic.com/2u40hfa.jpg | 20:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:54 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | grrrr ratp and sncf reclaim now that we use their stupid navigo pass but can t deliver it outside idf !!! | 20:54 |
| qwerty12 | sncf is some French thing right? | 20:55 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | right a stupid thing ! | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | maybe the leader in stupidity ! | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | and worst useable site ! | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo stupid French things. | 20:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Okay, qwerty12 , think in opposites. I've got the boot menu options sorted out in theory. Now it's time to see if the clear function of text2screen lets you choose a background colour. | 20:59 |
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| WorkingOnWise | has anyone got a clue how to get Opera 8 from OS2007 onto OS2008? I really need an AJAX capable browser that I can use on the IT. | 21:00 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | microb is ajax enabled | 21:00 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, it would probably depend on Bora specific libs. | 21:01 |
| WorkingOnWise | that would get messy fast! | 21:01 |
| gribouille | what other desktop applets are highly recommanded ? | 21:01 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | not mine :) | 21:01 |
| qwerty12 | WorkingOnWise, if you have linux on desktop computer, a good place to start is mounting the bora rootfs and reading the dpkg list for the opera packages. | 21:01 |
| qwerty12 | but the final result probably wouldn't work. | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opera is the absolute WORST choice for AJAX | 21:02 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | gribouille > what applet do u need ? maybe i can do it ... | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Besides, you'd be better served investing time into getting the svn compiled than trying to port the (closed) Opera. | 21:03 |
| gribouille | I need an applet that shows the system parameters like memory usage, IP address, free storage, etc | 21:03 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s already available | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | gribouille, they're all in Extras-devel. | 21:03 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | take a look on maemo.org downloads | 21:04 |
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| WorkingOnWise | well I have a site I want to use, iscrybe.com, that uses flash and ajax. I cant even log in with microb. I can with minefield but between improper textbox/keyboard popup and not being able to go full screen, minefield isnt reasonable yet. I guess I dont understand why a browser that has full flash and ajax abilities cand do one or the other or both properly, but minefield can..... | 21:04 |
| gribouille | GeneralAntilles, I have one for each paramter, but I need one with all the parameters | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 21:04 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | why ? | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just arrange all the little ones to look like one big one. | 21:05 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I think Khertan_on_n810 got it right with separate applets. I don't need every one of them. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, because Chinook MicroB is built from a much older Gecko snapshot. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo MicroB will bring it up to date. | 21:05 |
| gribouille | GeneralAntilles, because I don't need to see all the parameters at once. the applets I have are scattered and take mutch place for little fuctionnality | 21:06 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ouch deezer work on microb ! great ! | 21:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, what, you want something scrollable or somesuch? | 21:06 |
| WorkingOnWise | Diablo is the next OS? | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Due "Q2 2008" | 21:07 |
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| WorkingOnWise | how good is Nokia at keeping their timelines? please let it be better that Motorola and MS..... | 21:08 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, Motorola and MS both suck. | 21:08 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | gribouille > i ll make a big one when i ll be able to make pref panel for it ... so u can choose what want | 21:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...and they cand use a calendar at ALL!! | 21:08 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | but at this time i ll keep it separate | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, if there's a delay, it's only on the scale a few weeks at most. | 21:09 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but if u want a big one u still can edit the code and merge all. it s can be done easily | 21:09 |
| gribouille | Khertan_on_n810, ok | 21:10 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | get_ip is the function to edit | 21:10 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s return the text to be display | 21:10 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, This is my second go. Wish me luck :/. my battery is about to die soon. off the fetch the charger from upstairs. | 21:11 |
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| WorkingOnWise | well with that info I guess I'll just sit patiently waiting for Diablo, expecting it to solve all the worlds problems :D | 21:13 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i don t understand why so many user like gpe tasks and gpe dates .... it s useless | 21:13 |
| WorkingOnWise | Khertan_on_n810: i SO agree! | 21:13 |
| qwerty12 | I just like GPE Todo with GPE Summary because then I can put "notes on the desktop" | 21:13 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | hum ... | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_on_n810, have you tried Pimlico? | 21:14 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ga > yes | 21:14 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but can t sync it | 21:14 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and it s a bit hard to use whitout stylus | 21:14 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and more hard to access data in python to sync it | 21:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but pimlico task is a great thing. | 21:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | not agenda ... | 21:15 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | pimlico tasks need an home applet :) | 21:16 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but python binding isn't finish | 21:16 |
| qwerty12 | Arg, my N800 sucks :(, I just connected usb cable to computer and I get USB device not supported :( | 21:17 |
| MangoFusion | i have yet to find a decent pim suite for a tablet | 21:18 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | i m sometimes working on making a good one ... by modifying winzig to be really useable without stylus | 21:19 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | and make it simple | 21:19 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | at this time the agenda is almost done | 21:19 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but there is no alert | 21:19 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and i m still have problem with this stupid hildon widget that have only one signal : 'error' | 21:20 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | is there a way to display a picture in background of gtk.window ? | 21:21 |
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| pupnik | one would hope so | 21:22 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ? | 21:22 |
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| pupnik | maybe it's related to theming and overrides | 21:23 |
| pupnik | inz: you know anything about framebuffer? :) | 21:24 |
| pupnik | this should be running much faster than it is http://pupnik.de/SDL_scrolly_sync.tgz only takes 0-0.5% cpu (depending on nice level) | 21:25 |
| gribouille | could domeone tell me what homenetstats does ? | 21:26 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Got it! The boot options could do with some fixing however but I cannot not be officially bothered :P. http://i32.tinypic.com/nq5z0w.jpg. Also linuxrc will need a tweak, I'll look into it. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm starting a wiki article on Modest. | 21:28 |
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| gribouille | could domeone tell me what homenetstats is meant to do ? | 21:29 |
| RST38h | pupnik: you were the one who wanted last directory saved in vgba? | 21:29 |
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| pupnik | hi RST38h yeah i think that'd be a good feature | 21:30 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Done | 21:30 |
| pupnik | cool :) Thank you sir! | 21:31 |
| RST38h | pupnik: will be out with the next release. BTW, I am also going to release Maemo version of EMULib in a few days | 21:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | bye | 21:31 |
| qwerty12 | Bye Khertan_on_n810 | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Maybe it will be of some help porting other stuff | 21:31 |
| pupnik | RST38h: you might be interested in that last link i posted | 21:31 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Arg, linuxrc will take some modding. I'll start on that now. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Yep | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | I have added x3 maginfication to EMULib but did not try integrating FB support yet | 21:32 |
| lcuk | gribouille, you should have asked khertan_on_810 - he hosts homenetstats | 21:32 |
| RST38h | Still using GtkImage | 21:32 |
| lcuk | i have no idea what it does | 21:32 |
| * lcuk gets a lemsip | 21:33 | |
| pupnik | yes i need to do tests using GtkImage vs SDL_UpdateRect | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm . . . somebody want to get me a fullsize screenshot of Modest? | 21:34 |
| pupnik | or some thing else. It looks like there i'm not getting more than about 20fps real drawn frames in 256x240 @ 8bpp | 21:34 |
| gribouille | is diff available for maemo ? | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ones on the website are small. | 21:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why the hell are you drawing at 8bpp? | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | because my emu only needs 8bpp. SDL/X does the conversion | 21:35 |
| lcuk | because most emulators expect a paletted surface | 21:35 |
| lcuk | hi pupnik btw :) | 21:35 |
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| pupnik | servus lcuk | 21:35 |
| pupnik | yes most emus actually | 21:35 |
| lcuk | have you heard anything about tickets yet? | 21:35 |
| djcb | GeneralAntilles: http://bp3.blogger.com/_kGFGcbwevHE/R17cA0q0h9I/AAAAAAAAANU/TynEOxfVi5U/s1600-h/modest3000.png | 21:35 |
| pupnik | no and i'm not making any plans or adjustments until it happens, and my personal deadline is 3 weeks in advance | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw it on the site, not 800x480. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll work for now, though, you mind if I use it on wikipedia? | 21:36 |
| djcb | no, that's fine | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 21:36 |
| MangoFusion | clipping text with "..." gets very annoying very quickly on a NIT :( | 21:36 |
| lcuk | MangoFusion, what do you mea... | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does Modest have any sort of logo? | 21:37 |
| MangoFusion | i mean it just clips just wh... | 21:37 |
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| djcb | hmmm | 21:37 |
| lcuk | its damn annoying, especially when she is just takin... | 21:38 |
| djcb | well, if anything it would be it's application manager icon | 21:38 |
| djcb | ie. the envelop with the maemo-M | 21:38 |
| djcb | GeneralAntilles: are you make a wikipedia entry? | 21:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Ok, here is the deal | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm putting together a draft at the moment. | 21:38 |
| djcb | cool | 21:38 |
| MangoFusion | e.g. when i am searching youtube f... | 21:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: The display is 16bpp, so whatever code you have drawing 8bpp bitmap will have to do color translation | 21:39 |
| djcb | i'm sure i can get you some better shots tomorrow | 21:39 |
| pupnik | yes RST38h | 21:39 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Color translation 1) takes time and 2) prevents it from using hardware blitter (usually) | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool, that'd be excellent. | 21:39 |
| RST38h | pupnik: SO my suggestion is to draw at 16bpp | 21:39 |
| RST38h | You will be moving twice as many bytes, true, but at least it will have a chance to make use of the hw | 21:40 |
| pupnik | same thing happens. the problem is with framebuffer sync and/or making sure that framebuffer controller does not try to update more than 256x240 | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, technically the 8bit palette stuff must be optimised somewhere within sdl since its used by lots of applications and will likely be better in the general case than a single specific fix that can be put in. but i agree in principle what you are saying | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Generalized 8bit paletter will need table lookups | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And no matter how you optimize them, memory lookups suck on ARM | 21:41 |
| lcuk | and how do you propose to do color lookups without a table? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Now, if you want to use a fixed 3:3:2 palette, there is a way... | 21:41 |
| lcuk | you still need to say palette entry 27== RGB(65524) | 21:41 |
| RST38h | You write a little piece of ARM code that shifts bits to make 5:6:5 colors | 21:41 |
| lcuk | the table MUST exist somewhere | 21:42 |
| pupnik | just recompiled it @ 16bpp jerkiness is slightly different looking at 19 and 21 fps | 21:42 |
| pupnik | (it's changing one define - no big deal) | 21:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the code looks longer and more complicated than table lookup, but because it is read in a pipeline it works faster | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but in the specific case, doing SDL at 16bit is faster instantly because its not doing the conversion. however the conversion is required. i said this yesterday to pupnik then slept on it and the palette code is probably the simplest most general approach | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Heheh, you see, if his emulated system has 8bit video, it is probably palette based anyway ;) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but this isnt the problem as the arm can push many frames at this low resolution. the actual problem is the tearing | 21:43 |
| RST38h | And it does not matter whether those emulated palette entries are 8bit or 16bit ;) | 21:44 |
| pupnik | you could compile the source and run it | 21:44 |
| pupnik | 16bpp | 21:44 |
| pupnik | Average FPS: 60.004 | 21:44 |
| RST38h | So, no, if he goes 16bpp, it will not cost him extra, most likely | 21:44 |
| lcuk | back after tea | 21:44 |
| pupnik | Underruns 122, UPS: 2.166 | 21:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: What was it at 8bpp? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | palette entries ARE 16bit, there is a table of 256 of them | 21:44 |
| pupnik | 16bpp | 21:45 |
| pupnik | 16bpp | 21:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Exactly. | 21:45 |
| pupnik | but the framebuffer controller is clearly discarding updates | 21:45 |
| pupnik | i have to read more about omapfb and the epson controller i guess | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Got it perfectly! Only thing that looks weird is the boot menu options as from previous screenshot but everything except for initial nokia logo is black background with white text. I have to go now and school is starting tomorrow so I'll link to the modified files later tommorow. | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: oh sorry i misread you it was 4 UPS at 8bpp. | 21:59 |
| pupnik | so that's certainly interesting | 21:59 |
| RST38h | UPS = ? | 22:01 |
| pupnik | underruns per second | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Oh | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | there is a predictive delay that hard-locks the main loop to X frames per second | 22:02 |
| RST38h | You have just saved one color translation step, that's all :) | 22:02 |
| pupnik | at fps above 50 i get underruns when using frame buffer tearsync | 22:02 |
| pupnik | and the tearsync doesn't exactly tearsync very well | 22:02 |
| pupnik | so i still don't know what's happening | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Well, there is one more issue | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Whatever goes on between OMAP and that Epson chip, the Epson chip still refreshes its display at 50-60Hz | 22:03 |
| RST38h | So, whatever set of regions you are transferring to it, they can't transfer faster than that | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | thats resolution dependant. if you are running at 800*480 you get 25fps. lower resolutions==faster refresh. | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | (but you cannot transfer 16bit RGB data at that resolution from main memory to the LCD in that time) | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | documentation for the lcd is here: http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=189&Itemid=40 | 22:13 |
| lcuk | (i hope thats the right one now, ive got 2 sets) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | there is a section indicating the frame rate calculations | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | (section 12 of the spec document) | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | so unless the scaling and display characteristics of SDL->x11->framebuffer are to always setup a full (800*480)screen no matter what selected required resolution is the maximum available refresh rate should change with resolution | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | i find nothing to disagree with | 22:19 |
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| pupnik | reading epson stuff | 22:19 |
| pupnik | that's the correct one lcuk. used in the n800 and n810 from what i've read | 22:20 |
| pupnik | a different one is in the 770 | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | the shame of all this is that the lcd should support full hardware double buffering, but because of the framebuffer interaction (and possibly other complications) we dont appear to have access to the interface | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | btw your bookreader looks 'finished' to me from a performance standpoint | 22:22 |
| pupnik | now add pdf :P | 22:22 |
| * pupnik ducks | 22:22 | |
| lcuk | i agree :) im just putting in user options now and a file selector. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | basic pdf should be doable and fast.. | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | but i dont know enough about the format to handle bigger ones, maybe we could head towards integrating one of the other readers using liqbase to do the rendering | 22:23 |
| chrisak | bookreader? sounds interesting, will watch for it :) | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | there are other things which need handling first. | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | linuxtag invitation being one of them - i want something to take with me that makes me and others go "wow" and i think ive got enough as long as i dont get sidetracked | 22:24 |
| lcuk | (which i have done for the last 2 days...) | 22:24 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok GeneralAntilles, I've got the files ready if you want them? File hoster or irc send? | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | DCC is flaky here. | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better put it up somewhere. | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | just try it once | 22:27 |
| lcuk | you might surprise yourself | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: ok, i only trust sendspace on tablet, mediafire crashes microb | 22:28 |
| * lcuk coughs | 22:28 | |
| * lcuk splutters | 22:28 | |
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| * practisevoodoo mocks you all with his new n810 | 22:31 | |
| lcuk | wimax edition? | 22:31 |
| practisevoodoo | no | 22:31 |
| lcuk | or did you buy an old one :P | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | (don't worry, my 810 is nearly new - ive had it since xmas) | 22:32 |
| practisevoodoo | i wasnt willing to spend the extra for a wimax one, i have a 3g phone, im not in a wimax area | 22:32 |
| lcuk | you like it though? | 22:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, here's my abortion of an article on Modest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_%28application%29 | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Muhaha, old but N800 does me fine :) | 22:33 |
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| practisevoodoo | so far, am currently just fighting it while i figure out how to get it to do what i want | 22:33 |
| practisevoodoo | right now i am working on finding an easy way to see where all my space is going | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Nice article :) | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a shit article! :P :D | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok shit :p but good for the 1st revision (spelling?) :D | 22:35 |
| lcuk | :O:O general, you are getting bold | 22:35 |
| lcuk | This software-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. | 22:35 |
| lcuk | Bow before GeneralAntilles or you shall perish. | 22:35 |
| lcuk | (i bet hes gone back and checked ;)) | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | What, it is a stub. :P | 22:36 |
| chrisak | size isn't important :D | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stud eh? | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to flesh out the history section to a point where it's not entirely embarrassing. . . . | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I's got nuttin' | 22:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles is currently staring at an infobox for Tinymail. | 22:38 | |
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| lcuk | does it have to be specific history? or can i talk about my grandma in there? | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're welcome to talk about whatever you want. | 22:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then I'll take great pleasure in deleting your drivel. :P | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, off topic, but I should be getting a cat soon, which one is unknown ^-^. My old one died :(, a cheeky bastard when he wass alive though. | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/wass/was | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shelter or breeder? | 22:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | breeder i think | 22:40 |
| lcuk | :( @ cats passing | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why breeder? | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save a cat, go to the shelter. :P | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, my sister wants a new born kitten | 22:41 |
| * lcuk got a pair of cats from the shelter (18months old each) | 22:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Although, I wouldn't mind one from the shelter. Some of the rspca's stories are horrible :( | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know what's interesting? | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Enlighten me. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | PITA's euthanization rate is worse than any other stray protection agency. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | (failed at spelling euthanization there for a little while. ;)) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | (probably still failed anyway) | 22:44 |
| lcuk | but do they have highest intake? | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: s/PITA/PETA/ | 22:45 |
| lcuk | just because X does more of Y does not mean they are any worse than other similar operations | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rate | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Percentage | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 97% to be exact | 22:45 |
| lcuk | thats about 97% worse than i would like | 22:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The national average is somewhere in the ~30-40% range. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody here good with IPA? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Tinymail is named after the girlfriend of the maintainer, Philip. Her name is Tinne. That's why you pronounce tinymail as tinnie-mail instead of taainie-mail." | 22:47 |
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| ||cw | then why isnt it tinnemail | 22:49 |
| lcuk | cos shes a midget? | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's a small e-mail framework. | 22:49 |
| ||cw | sounds like it's named after being small then | 22:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, whatever who cares. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do I IPA it? | 22:49 |
| ||cw | :P | 22:49 |
| lcuk | coincience, but let the guy off - he wanted to make her feel better "look sweetie, im not ignoring you for no reason, im coding something in your name" :D | 22:50 |
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| Hrw | hii | 22:50 |
| * lcuk renames liqbase liqtracy or tracybase | 22:50 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | liqtracy? | 22:51 |
| Hrw | someone fremember which xserver was used in os2005 or 2006? | 22:51 |
| lcuk | yer, its a good hobby | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was it not Xomap, Hrw? | 22:52 |
| Hrw | GeneralAntilles: was. but which ver? | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | right, im goin hiding inside vmware for a while | 22:52 |
| lcuk | back later | 22:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hrw: Try checking the 05/06 repos? | 22:53 |
| hrw|n810 | qwerty12_N800: it is part of os so no packages | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ah, I thought maybe source package at least may be available. | 22:54 |
| hrw|n810 | was | 22:55 |
| hrw|n810 | thx for idea | 22:55 |
| hrw|n810 | it was 6.6.3 | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np :) | 22:55 |
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| hrw|n810 | hi florian | 23:02 |
| flo_lap | re | 23:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Damn, xchat announce >.<, I've got an 2 1/2 english essay due in tommorow to start lol | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ 2 & 1/2 pages. now im really away. | 23:09 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | how can i force gtkrc_image which is set to false in a python gtk application ? | 23:09 |
| hrw|n810 | fscking appmanager | 23:10 |
| hrw|n810 | when maemo will get adept or synaptic... or aptitude | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hrw, synaptic and aptitude are no goes :(, unless someone gets me a version that uses apt libs on os2008 | 23:11 |
| Navi | :P | 23:11 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | lmoura seem have post a solution some time ago ... but the pastebin link was deleted (too old) | 23:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I ported synaptic but the nmap errors kept coming up with version 7 of libapt which was newer than the os2008 one. Aptitude was same problem. | 23:12 |
| hrw|n810 | qwerty12_N800: no goes? simple recompile would be good for start but rather hard to use | 23:13 |
| hrw|n810 | fscking maemo | 23:13 |
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| Navi | What version apt libs does OS2008 use? | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I tried symlinking to maemo libs but missing symbols. The one with right librariies would crash with numap (smething like that) problems on startup. Worked in sbox fine though :( | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 6 something | 23:15 |
| hrw|n810 | 6.3 | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Good news is that diablo should use 7 as the latest svn of app manager needs 7 to build. | 23:16 |
| Navi | Etch uses 6.3 | 23:16 |
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| fysa | GeneralAntilles, hey modest master, did we get an update today? ;) | 23:17 |
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| hrw|n810 | Navi: iirc os2008 follows etch versions | 23:17 |
| Navi | Did you try to build against the maemo apt libs using the version of synaptic Etch currently uses? | 23:17 |
| Navi | http://packages.debian.org/etch/synaptic | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, fysa. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's out and working fine. | 23:18 |
| fysa | nice | 23:18 |
| Navi | Woo, fine. | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, no. I didn't know such a version existed. If my memory serves me well, only a few modifications were needed for straight recompile. | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, thx | 23:18 |
| NOCmadman | quick question i just installed ssh and from xterm i am trying "ssh root@localhost" and it is giving a bad host key verification it is not even giving me a chance to enter the password. Can i simply delete the hostkey or is there something else i msut do first | 23:19 |
| Navi | qwerty12_N800, I search the Etch repos before I look at the Ubuntu ones | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I was in debian unstable :/ | 23:19 |
| Navi | Heh :/ | 23:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I had to reflash my n800 because of broken newer apt and app manager and synaptic. | 23:20 |
| Navi | Mmk | 23:20 |
| Veggen | NOC: hmm..delete the relevant entry from ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? | 23:20 |
| Veggen | (should say which line in the error message) | 23:21 |
| NOCmadman | ok i wanted verification before i tried that | 23:21 |
| NOCmadman | just moved it and it worked fine with my password | 23:21 |
| NOCmadman | no clue where the key came from as i dont remember putting it there | 23:22 |
| chrisak | hey qwerty, i'm looking at the screencapture you posted in the 'idea' thread... is that omweather you've got on tthe desktop? | 23:22 |
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| NOCmadman | one last quick question before i go back to lurking does os2008 support ipv6 ? | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | chrisak: yes | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | NOCmadman: with hacks, yes | 23:26 |
| Navi | My omweather is borked | 23:26 |
| NOCmadman | what do i need to add as when i do ifconfig it only shows ipv4 | 23:26 |
| NOCmadman | oh just now getting into it not ready for any real hacks just yet | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | A new kernel and quite a few packages | 23:26 |
| chrisak | ok. looks di | 23:26 |
| chrisak | looks cooler then mine. i must have missed an update | 23:27 |
| NOCmadman | im to scared to break it jsut yet to change the kernel will try it in a scratchbox first just to experience it before i touch any kernel changes on the actual device | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think you can flash a kernel in sbox | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | compile them certainly | 23:27 |
| Navi | qwerty12_N800's screenshots are always sexy, especially that cool rss applet | 23:28 |
| NOCmadman | ok well i will come back to that i have to leave work now boss is shooing me away from the pc lol | 23:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Navi: ;) | 23:28 |
| Navi | I wish my omweather wasn't completely borked | 23:30 |
| Navi | It shows today as the second day, and a question mark for today | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Reinstall? :p | 23:30 |
| Navi | Did | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Wait a sec, I know the locations of all the settings. | 23:31 |
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| Navi | amazing, app manager just segfaulted | 23:33 |
| hrw|n810 | Navi: normal | 23:34 |
| Navi | It's a first for me. | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok, remove omweather for good measure. rm -rf /usr/share/omweather , rm -rf ~/apps/omweather and with gconf-editor, remove apps/maemo/omweather | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | happens to me on a daily basis :( | 23:34 |
| Navi | Yay, gmail's working | 23:35 |
| Navi | Bah, it's complaining about certificates | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | too many repo's and apps. app manager insists on caching all the packages. | 23:35 |
| chrisak | navi, mine does too | 23:36 |
| fysa | app manager is almost unusable in redpill mode ;) | 23:36 |
| Navi | modest should get around to adopting a multi-page viewer | 23:36 |
| hrw|n810 | GeneralAntilles: when diablo release? | 23:36 |
| Navi | scrolling with a few thousand messages is a pain | 23:36 |
| hrw|n810 | fysa: same in normal mode :) | 23:36 |
| Navi | not a viewer, a multi-page list | 23:36 |
| fysa | I would like something similar to the way Google Reader has 'never-ending scrolling' | 23:37 |
| fysa | i.e. populate 50 items until you scroll near the bottom, then populate 50 more. | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: you should invest some time into unionfs | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | CustomiseGoogle has a feature like that. | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | that way you can make a stable os, then just mount some other partition for changes | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: My bash skills are bad | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | then if you break something you just remove that overlaid partition | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | without actually reflashing anything | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The module is fine though :) | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | hi everyone | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If anyone wants, they can take over that. | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: hi | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: that were my 2cents, what you will do with that information is up to you :) | 23:39 |
| fysa | unionfs will be excellent. | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw|n810, "Q2 2008" | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | i think it should be named 'onionfs' | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, file an enhancement request. | 23:40 |
| hrw|n810 | GeneralAntilles: so july | 23:40 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, no thanks | 23:40 |
| fysa | can you have a unionfs on top of a unionfs? :P | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 23:40 |
| fysa | USB storange on mmc2 on top of internal flash | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: :) but I can't ze shell script :p | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then why the hell did you mention it if you don't actually want it? | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^fix ze | 23:40 |
| hrw|n810 | GeneralAntilles: let me guess - input methods still closed and broken? | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know, hrw|n810. | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a copy. | 23:41 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, I want it, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it | 23:41 |
| hrw|n810 | ok | 23:41 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you should know me better than that | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: shell script is just a text file containing commands you would like to execute :) | 23:41 |
| hrw|n810 | GeneralAntilles: nokia internals only? | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: This script is looong | 23:41 |
| djcb | GeneralAntilles: nice work | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | longcat is looong | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | djcb, if you wanted to write up some sort of "About Us" page or something that I could use to flesh out the History section. . . . | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's the script from the 770 unionfs with small modifications for Os2008 | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw|n810, Hmm? | 23:42 |
| djcb | yeah, i'll give it a try | 23:42 |
| hrw|n810 | GeneralAntilles: diablo testing | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | but unionfs mounting should be a oneliner, i think | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have no access to anything, hrw|n810. | 23:42 |
| hrw|n810 | ok | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo isn't released yet. ;) | 23:43 |
| Navi | He likes to act like he does though | 23:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It makes me feel all important n'stuff. | 23:43 |
| Navi | Leaking information he got from me and refering to official stuff too | 23:43 |
| fysa | ugh. app manager, why must you update every time I view package info. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles is our cheerleader | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | evening kot | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: it is but the script makes it easy :), if you wanna try it out w/out the script, grab one of the kernels or compile your own with the info I gave and insmod the module :) | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | someone should write a pygtk script for an apt-get/cache :> | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | djcb, if you want me to use that maemo-M email icon as a logo, would you happen to have a copy that is larger than favicon size? | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: my os is stable :) | 23:44 |
| djcb | GeneralAntilles: i'll have a look a that as well | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | and i have a working base partition for instant cloning | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, good choice | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | (~4minutes of work) | 23:45 |
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| djcb | i guess it will take some drawing :) | 23:45 |
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| * sp3000 listens to a minute of rather loud new mail notification chiming | 23:45 | |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:45 |
| * lcuk is shuffling | 23:45 | |
| * sp3000 wonders if it might want to, uh, throttle that a bit :) | 23:45 | |
| * KotCzarny is yawning | 23:46 | |
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| KotCzarny | heh.. | 23:47 |
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| KotCzarny | should i start cycling too? | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moving channel bar to right is bad idea... | 23:48 |
| fysa | how much extra memory does modest auto-download use? | 23:48 |
| Veggen | KotCzarny: I hope to get around to bicycling to work, soon. 12.7 km each way. | 23:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | none as it doesn t work :) | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | i was talking about channel cycling.. | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 23:49 |
| lcuk | if you do, get a dynamo and chanrge your devices from it as you ride to work | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | 2 dynamos > 1 dynamo | 23:49 |
| lcuk | 4 > 2 | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 6 > 4 | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 1000 > 500 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | * > 1000 | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | <3 > 100 | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *1000 | 23:50 |
| Navi | </3 > <3 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | <3 is just a hidden perversy for women | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | they think it's romantic | 23:51 |
| Veggen | lcuk: I had a year bicycling to work where I almost never let the weather stop me. worst was when I used an hour to work because it was 20 cm snow on the bicycle way :) | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | when all it's about is an a* | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, im'a perv by name ;) | 23:51 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | how can i surclass gtk theme to have icon in gtk button ? | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not by nature. :p | 23:51 |
| lcuk | cool veggen :) braver than most | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | snow isn't that bad | 23:52 |
| lcuk | how did you cope with the ermmm odour? | 23:52 |
| Veggen | but last automn, I let it slip. and parked the bicycle for the winter. | 23:52 |
| Veggen | odour? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | yes, cycling 13km in a morning has to take the freshness off | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:52 |
| Veggen | oh. shower at work. | 23:53 |
| lcuk | :) double bonus then, if my place had one i would jump at it | 23:53 |
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| hrw|n810 | bye | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bye | 23:54 |
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| * lcuk damns not having code generation up and running yet | 23:54 | |
| KotCzarny | code generation? | 23:54 |
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| Navi | You tell the computer what you want and it generates code for you, duh. | 23:55 |
| lcuk | yer if i am building lots of similar classes i usually template it and give myself all the results from one small definition file | 23:55 |
| chrisak | i'm confused by some itt threads re: starting/stopping bluetooth using personal-menu command... am i understanding correctly that the hciconfig needed is simply not available for 2008? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | but the current templates and functions i have are all vb oriented | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | chrisak: switchonbt ;) | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | google it | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: write a converter? | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | lol! | 23:56 |
| chrisak | willdo, thanks :) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ill just take some classes ive done in c as base templates and generate around them - they are in style i require but i need MOAR of them | 23:56 |
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| * lcuk has a plan for linuxtag and it involves lots of code | 23:57 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: http://freshmeat.net/projects/vb2c/ | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:57 |
| lcuk | no - ive done all the code i need now - ive built enough little pieces to basically pull off what i want to achieve | 23:57 |
| lcuk | it certainly doesnt need vb - my mind is totally back into c - vb is a grind now | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | hoorray? | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i think so | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i feel better about it all now and can see a really good project | 23:59 |
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