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| |zeus| | sorry | 00:00 |
| lopz | re | 00:02 |
| lcuk_2 | where do i find info about mp3task - if its maemo specific theres certainly nothing about it (results page on google comes up with 3 entires to irc room) | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: in gst sources? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | or mplayer? | 00:02 |
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| lcuk_2 | hmm not sure - but even the dummy isnt working now - its been optimised out of existance i think | 00:04 |
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| lcuk_2 | recompiled without opts and its faster (but really its slower) | 00:05 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | 12. Wzrasta popyt na rowery. | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | nie mam nic przeciwko | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:18 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | I dont speak Polska :p | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | sorry | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | wrong chan | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Lol | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | and it should be 'Polish' | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N801 | My bad, sorry :) | 00:19 |
| Tama^2 | I do not dance PolkaU,u | 00:19 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N801 | What does cal-tool do exactly? Is it like flasher-3.0, letting you set device parameters? | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:20 |
| Tama^2 | KotCzarny: I take it you are Polish then... how come you behave like the spelling police? :P | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it for screen calibration | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N801 | No its in initfs and fanoush uses it in initfs script | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | tama: that's because if i track my errors, i can encourage others to point those errors that i miss | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i will learn english | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N801 | I thought u were from Czech Republic because of Cz lol | 00:22 |
| Tama^2 | translated you mean: I will be a pedantic bastard thus provoking others into rabidly pointing out my own mistakes | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | tama: correct | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | how can i learn if i don't correct my own errors? | 00:23 |
| unixSnob | any1 here from indiana? What a crock.. Indiana adds a tax penalty to taxpayers who owe on their taxes. Bastards. A penalty for being penalized | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N801 | I need to fix my device lines. According to about, I have a n800 but <unknown> & <unknown>. I'm in the mood to mess around with my tablet. | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: reflash | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N801 | I don't want to :( | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Lol, I have it set up the way I like, applications, kernel & initfs :) | 00:26 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | Backup prog is useless at restoring appplication Lists | 00:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Signal is weak in my room. | 00:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I figured out how to run cal-tool . Pointless:/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nothing to do! | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Usage: cal-tool [OPTIONS] | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Options: | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | --get-rd-mode, -d Get R&D mode status | 00:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | --get-rd-flags, -f Get R&D mode flags | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | --get-root-device, -r Get root device option | 00:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | --set-root-device, -R <arg> Set root device option | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | --get-usb-host-mode, -u Get USB host mode flag | 00:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna mess around with flasher-30.. Does kernel affect the about screen too? | 00:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Good night, need some zzzzzz's.... | 01:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | kot - ive added a turbo option which sets the governor :) it can be disabled if required | 01:17 |
| lcuk_2 | until i speak to ppl regarding its use it gives simplest solution | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
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| lcuk_2 | KotCzarny, well - it works with ssh because im root, but normal user running from the console isnt root | 01:31 |
| lcuk_2 | governor is ro for user | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | but one can create suid app that could switch them | 01:32 |
| lcuk_2 | its enough anyway- others will help - its an option now at least | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | < bilboed> multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch <<- sure? that would mean those emulators with onscreen controls would be pretty useless | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | What? | 01:37 |
| bilboed | pupnik, with two fingers you can EASILY emulate multitouch | 01:38 |
| bilboed | pupnik, it create a rectangle area | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | On what? | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | bilboed: are you sure? | 01:38 |
| bilboed | on i-oh-my-god-do-I-hate-it-phone | 01:38 |
| bilboed | KotCzarny, positive | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | but not on n8x0 screen, i believe | 01:38 |
| bilboed | nope | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:39 |
| bilboed | different technology | 01:39 |
| pupnik | hmm. i guess you could do it - nevermind | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:39 |
| Tama^2 | I am confused | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Emulate? | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | So am I, Tama^2. | 01:39 |
| bilboed | ok, the software receives a rectangular area | 01:39 |
| bilboed | guess where the two fingers are ? in two of the corners of that rectangle | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | with some button layouts, some combinations of buttons would yield identical rectangles | 01:40 |
| bilboed | yep | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | bilboed: but how can you tell WHICH corners? | 01:40 |
| bilboed | because unless you're a robot, you'll never press the two corners at the same time | 01:40 |
| Tama^2 | bilboed: your idea is too simplistic i.e. it does not work | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 01:40 |
| bilboed | Tama^2, hey dude, don't trust me, google for it | 01:40 |
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| kwan | I get the following error when i compile gstreamer using maemo sdk and copy over the libraries | 01:42 |
| kwan | gst-inspect-0.10[3079]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min | 01:42 |
| kwan | Lots of these pring out when I run gst-inspect | 01:42 |
| kwan | any ideas why? | 01:43 |
| bilboed | you need a debugging-enabled version of gstreamer | 01:43 |
| bilboed | the default version on the devices have debugging disabled | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | mismatched packages? | 01:43 |
| kwan | i see, so can i compile debuggin disabled then? | 01:43 |
| kwan | i will try debugging disabled and see | 01:45 |
| bilboed | configure will pick it up from the gstreamer pkgconfig | 01:45 |
| bilboed | you most likely have the debugging version pkgconfig | 01:45 |
| bilboed | OR you can install the debugging version of gstreamer on the device | 01:46 |
| kwan | i copied /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gst* from maemo sdk (scratchbox) to the device | 01:46 |
| bilboed | it uses it at COMPILE time | 01:46 |
| bilboed | not at runtime | 01:46 |
| bilboed | you need to recompile against a debugging-disabled version of gstreamer | 01:46 |
| kwan | so when i compile gstreamer i do ./configure -disable-debug or something? | 01:47 |
| bilboed | --disable-gst-debug | 01:48 |
| kwan | ok | 01:48 |
| bilboed | but... I thought scratchbox had a properly configured gstreamer for that (with the same compile flags as on the device) | 01:48 |
| kwan | i got the latest gstreamer source and recompiled it | 01:48 |
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| kpel | hi all | 03:16 |
| pupnik_ | mmm NeXT | 03:17 |
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| Tama^2 | NeXT what? :) | 03:18 |
| pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320230324503&indexURL=3#ebayphotohosting | 03:18 |
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| Tama^2 | ih ih | 03:19 |
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| * lcuk_2 builds playtest4 | 03:29 | |
| kpel | could you please | 03:29 |
| kpel | could you please tell me if i can upgrade my development environment to include chinook support? | 03:29 |
| kpel | currently i have x86 and armel targets | 03:30 |
| lcuk_2 | there is an sdk somewhere for chinook - i dunno where though because i use the already self contained vmware image version | 03:32 |
| * koyote just got an n800 (trade for an ipod, if I was paying cash i would have got a 810.) that's 3 weeks old. | 03:33 | |
| koyote | I think after i cook dinner for wife and kids I am heading to a cafe and flashing it, then seeing what I need to add. (aside from buying a bt keyboard) | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | what will you need it for? | 03:34 |
| lcuk_2 | can you install software in internet cafe? | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it has a hotspot | 03:35 |
| lcuk_2 | good point | 03:36 |
| koyote | yeah | 03:37 |
| koyote | free wireless most places in town. | 03:37 |
| koyote | I've survived extended periods using various pdas as laptops, this looks like it will actually be enjoyable if I get a fold up keyboard | 03:37 |
| koyote | I also have an e61, so I may get a keyboard that has symbian drivers. | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | igo ultra-slim is nice | 03:38 |
| koyote | I have an eee as a desktop | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but get the one with numbers row | 03:38 |
| lcuk_2 | ultra-slim-but-not-quite-super-model-slim | 03:39 |
| Veggen | I've been n810-only in easter. | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | ultra-slim-enough | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:39 |
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| lcuk_2 | veggen - not a problem, unless of course you are lost and are waiting for gps to kick in | 03:39 |
| Veggen | getting used to it, but not something I'd be satisfied with for programming etc :) | 03:40 |
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| lcuk_2 | kot, did you try running the book on performance - ie have you seen it at fullspeed? | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | but n800 and n810 are identical | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | (hw/sw wise) | 03:41 |
| lcuk_2 | earlier when we were talking governors - if you switch your mode to performance it kicks it into fullspeed... try it on that and see the difference. | 03:41 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway, what i keep thinking when im scrolling around is this would be really nice for coding in | 03:41 |
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| lcuk_2 | i cant just sudo from default console can i - theres no password available to enter | 03:43 |
| koyote | lcuk_2: I haven't clocked up. haven't needed to. | 03:43 |
| lcuk_2 | but you dont see it at 25fps | 03:43 |
| koyote | I do most stuff in emacs, which is a lot lighter weight than the modern office/ide alternatives | 03:43 |
| lcuk_2 | ahhh sorry - koyote, i wasnt talking to you - i say the k and skipped the rest | 03:44 |
| lcuk_2 | was intended for kot | 03:44 |
| koyote | oh. k :) | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| koyote | I guess I should ask now, anything I need to be especially aware of? all I'm doing is upgrading firmware via linux (following directions), and then installing software. | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:45 |
| lcuk_2 | what firmware does it currently have? is it still os2007 or has it already gone up to 2008 | 03:45 |
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| koyote | 2007 | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | go 2008 | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | it's worth it | 03:48 |
| koyote | that's my goal | 03:48 |
| koyote | right now I have a 4gb sdhc internal and a 2gb sd in the outside slot. | 03:49 |
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| kpel | actually apps that were available for os2007 are not for os2008. load-applet and unzip come to mind. | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | zip is available | 03:52 |
| lcuk_2 | load-applet is available | 03:52 |
| lcuk_2 | i can see it now on mine | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | also there's various archivers gui | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | though i don't remember the name | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | but supports tar/gz/bz2/zip afair | 03:53 |
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| lcuk_2 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ | 03:53 |
| kpel | i can se them in the llist but always get 'file not found' if i try installing them | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | do you use firefox or app-manager? | 03:54 |
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| kpel | app-manager | 03:55 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | old/bad repos? | 03:55 |
| lcuk_2 | clean your repos and start again - it gets confused | 03:56 |
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| kpel | if i go to maemo.org and search for unzip i get a brroken link. | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | i have learned that maemo.org has many 'error 500' links | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | but packages are present in repository anyway | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to browse them by hand use: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/ | 04:01 |
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| Species8472 | hi | 04:01 |
| Species8472 | I have a question | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | unzip is there for example | 04:02 |
| kpel | doesn't sound that good. i would expect better value for money | 04:02 |
| Species8472 | anyone? | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: it's working | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | you probably have some repos broken | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | in app-managed | 04:02 |
| Species8472 | who is willing to help me? | 04:02 |
| lcuk_2 | Species8472, no1 is going to offer to help if they dont know what the problem is - you must get our interest by letting us know what the problem is | 04:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | THEN we can ignore you :) | 04:03 |
| Species8472 | will you help then lcuk_2? | 04:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | no - i will not put myself in a position i cannot back out of | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | true | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | same here | 04:04 |
| lcuk_2 | tell us what your problem is and let us try to be nice | 04:04 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: the url u gave works. the app-manager doesn't (and the user has to do its job instead). but thanks in any case :) | 04:05 |
| Proteous | no no no, you have to agree to help first! | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: it works for me (ie. app-manager) | 04:05 |
| Proteous | and you need to sign theses NDAs | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | do as lcuk suggested and clean your repos | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:06 |
| lcuk_2 | ok Proteous, get them posted to me and the contact I need to speak to regarding my billable hours (at standard rate) | 04:07 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: i don't doubt it. but i would expect much more from such an expensive toy hence my comment about value for money. | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: i believe you can reflash it in <1min | 04:08 |
| lcuk_2 | did you buy it new? if so the default repos should be set and you shouldnt have this problem | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can BREAK any toy | 04:09 |
| lcuk_2 | i had exactly 1 problem when i got mine: bandwidth - nokia were saturated. after it quietened down i was able to get all the software i wanted | 04:09 |
| kpel | lcdd: yes new. but it had os2007 on | 04:09 |
| lcuk_2 | have you been into the app manager and altered the repos? | 04:10 |
| lcuk_2 | (cos if not then my stance changes :) ) | 04:10 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: true. but, in my view, a reflash shouldn't be used to fix such problems. | 04:11 |
| pupnik | http://www.archive.org/download/Nova_Styrene-Binary_Star/01_Binary_Star_vbr.mp3 music made only with the Apple ][... | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: but if you messed things up | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | you can't put a blame on developers | 04:12 |
| lcuk_2 | i remember hearing daisy daisy sung from a computer from the 60s :P | 04:12 |
| kpel | haven't changed a thing | 04:12 |
| lcuk_2 | its a haunting rendition | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: i don't believe you :> | 04:12 |
| lcuk_2 | oooer then kpel :P | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | but | 04:12 |
| lcuk_2 | twhich country are you in ? | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | check if you have extras enabled | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:12 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik, that sounds ... strange ... at best | 04:13 |
| kpel | was enjoying my nice point'n'click package management and one day i couldn't apply upgrades... oh well | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | have you checked the log? | 04:14 |
| pupnik | cleans out yer ear-wax don't it lcuk_2 | 04:14 |
| kpel | yep. file not found. same msg always | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | thats one way to look at it :D | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | what file? | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | it wont say | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | its the gui | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | uhhum | 04:14 |
| turbo | pupnik: see? that's why the Beatles figured there was no real issue with Apple & music, way back then... ;) | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | but it might do ;) | 04:15 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: can't tell. 1 minute ago i delete my chinook repos and now unzip is not in the list. never mind, i'll have to reflash it i guess | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | unzip is in extras | 04:18 |
| kpel | what irks me is that | 04:18 |
| kpel | back in the os2007 days there was a tonne of software and no broken links. and now... | 04:19 |
| kpel | ok, will look in extras. tjanks | 04:20 |
| lcuk_2 | there is a discussion about the fragmentation of repos | 04:20 |
| lcuk_2 | did you come onboard 2007 near the end of its cycle? | 04:20 |
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| kpel | lcuk_2: yes :( Sep 2007 | 04:22 |
| kpel | maybe early october | 04:23 |
| lcuk_2 | the dust will settle with 2008 as well - lots of new apps are coming out and people are hosting them themselves and so theres a load of repos out there instead of the apps being pushed into maemo stable | 04:24 |
| lcuk_2 | no matter what nokia do with the devices they will continue to live - your choice of device proves it - and it will grow | 04:25 |
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| kpel | meanwhile, the extras url pasted above doesn't seem to have unzip. but i'm not going to need it so it's ok ;) | 04:26 |
| Firebird | hi, how would i execute a command on boot? | 04:26 |
| lcuk_2 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | eh | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:27 |
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| KotCzarny | 2nd | 04:27 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 04:27 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/extrasrepositoryprocessdefinition/ | 04:27 |
| lcuk_2 | didnt think you would post crap | 04:27 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik, would you like a playtest? | 04:27 |
| kpel | lcdd: i'm not sure about my choice really. especially now that an sdk for the iphone is out there. we'll see. | 04:28 |
| pupnik | yes i would like to try it | 04:28 |
| lcuk_2 | iphone apps? 1 at a time, no networking, no music, apple get to choose - its shiney, but its not fun | 04:28 |
| lcuk_2 | i think i saw your address on your site gimme a min ill mail you | 04:29 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: this is what i saw in 'u': | 04:30 |
| kpel | parent dir, ukmp | 04:30 |
| kpel | and index.html | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: are you sure you copy pasted my link EXACTLY ? | 04:31 |
| * pupnik is hungry for some copypasta | 04:31 | |
| kpel | KotCzarny: no. i clicked on it. could it be a permission thing? the direct url to the unziip dir doesn't work. | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | kpel: that's strange | 04:34 |
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| kpel | i wish i could paste in this xchat thing. brb, i'm going to usee my pc | 04:35 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 04:35 |
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| kpel | let's see now | 04:36 |
| kpel | KotCzarny: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ works like a charm from my xubuntu pc | 04:37 |
| kpel | that's it, i'm flashing the bloody thing :) | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:37 |
| kpel | i really don't understand why with N800 i get this "Sorry, I can't find that file" message. It sort of shakes me belief to rational thinking :) | 04:38 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 04:38 |
| balrog-kun | rational thinking is overrated anyway | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | i still prefer it to emotional 'thinking' | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
| kpel | oh yeah | 04:40 |
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| kwan | hi, i have compiled the latest gstreamer with plugins on maemo 4.1 scratchbox and copied it over onto n810. I get the following error when I run gst-inspect : gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so: undefined symbol: gst_video_format_get_row_stride | 04:45 |
| kwan | gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so: undefined symbol: gst_type_register_static_full | 04:45 |
| kwan | many lines of gst_type_register_static_full prints out for different plugins | 04:45 |
| kwan | how do I go about resolving this? any ideas? | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | mismatched packages? | 04:47 |
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| kwan | could you elaborate on mismatched packages? | 04:52 |
| kwan | mismatched packages that are preinstalled on the device or mismatch between the gstreamer sources that i recompiled | 04:52 |
| pupnik | cool lcuk_2 :) | 04:54 |
| pupnik | i lurv it | 04:54 |
| lcuk_2 | now i just have to suss out how to run it at fullspeed without needing to alter entire config - kots has the only possible avenue so far which doesnt involve me simply adding dummy code into the blit | 04:56 |
| lcuk_2 | (did you see the color test btw?) | 04:57 |
| jott | hey lcuk_2 can i see your demo/preview too? | 04:58 |
| lcuk_2 | of course, pm me your address | 04:58 |
| * lcuk_2 will get an uploadable version somewhere soon enough | 04:59 | |
| pupnik | sometimes the colorcube movement slows down | 04:59 |
| lcuk_2 | are you using -turbo as a root? | 04:59 |
| pupnik | ah no | 04:59 |
| lcuk_2 | it slows down because the damned cpu thinks its not busy and can slow down | 04:59 |
| lcuk_2 | default slowdown appears to be down to 10fps - fullspeed -turbo is 26/27 fps | 05:00 |
| jott | hm really stupid.. there has to be a way to stop this without too ugly hacks | 05:00 |
| pupnik | normally when reading ebooks i'd prefer to conserve battery | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | that's why lcuk shouldn't focus on fps too much | 05:03 |
| lcuk_2 | but i do not have a busy wait | 05:03 |
| lcuk_2 | i am ONLY rendering a frame on mousemove | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | why not on mousedown? | 05:04 |
| lcuk_2 | the only routine which makes it render fulltime is the colorcube one | 05:04 |
| pupnik | seems quite fast without turbo - fps while scrolling is ~25 | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | and use upper part/lower part of the screen as buttons | 05:04 |
| lcuk_2 | you know what i mean (and besides in raw mode i dont get mousedown/up | 05:04 |
| lcuk_2 | i get move event with a pressure - when pressure = 0 then its a mouseup | 05:04 |
| lcuk_2 | scrolling = stroking the mouse - it works some of the time pup | 05:05 |
| lcuk_2 | but it was not reproducable - i just need to make it actually draw each frame as required as fast as possible | 05:05 |
| lcuk_2 | besides - its made me think i want to actually use the screen as a text editor | 05:06 |
| lcuk_2 | jott, i am not registered ill just mail it | 05:08 |
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| jott | hehe registering on freenode is really not a big deal .. /msg nickserv register password and you are done :) | 05:09 |
| lcuk_2 | just directly in here? i dont have to visit anywhere else? | 05:10 |
| jott | lcuk_2: thanks :) | 05:10 |
| jott | yes | 05:10 |
| jott | just replace password with something better :p | 05:11 |
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| koyote | okay, then | 05:11 |
| koyote | yay for internet cafe | 05:11 |
| lcuk | but is this registering the computer or the nick | 05:11 |
| jott | the nick | 05:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then /nick to 2 and 3 and register those | 05:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Link 'em | 05:12 |
| jott | yeah that's extra spice :) | 05:12 |
| koyote | so what's the best place to get a howto for flashing 2008 onto the n800 via a linux box? | 05:12 |
| kpel | koos__: perfect timing | 05:13 |
| kpel | koyote: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 05:13 |
| koyote | nice. | 05:13 |
| lcuk | dont i need an email addy? | 05:13 |
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| kpel | i'm downloading the latest 0s2008 image myself. it seems i was using 50-2 while the latest is 51-3. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have problems turning your device on? | 05:14 |
| kpel | koyote: you might need to hit reload a few times. the server is really slow. | 05:14 |
| jott | lcuk: just if you want to recover your password | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk. | 05:14 |
| koyote | static or not? xubuntu 7.10 | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | kpel, 51-3 is only a bootloader update. So unless you're having trouble turning your device on, don't bother with it. | 05:15 |
| kpel | i have trouble with the sanity of the browser and the app manager. if this continues i'm going to have trouble with my sanity as well :) | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | What sort of sanity? | 05:15 |
| kpel | GeneralAntilles: for some reason both the browser and the app manager don't see certain files | 05:16 |
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| kpel | GeneralAntilles: in this url for example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/ my n800 sees only until ukmp. unzip and usbcontrol are not there | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you screw with about:config? | 05:17 |
| kpel | and if i try a direct link to the unzip dir i get a message saying "sorry, i cannot find that file" | 05:17 |
| kpel | GeneralAntilles: nop. point'n'click all the way | 05:17 |
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| jott | lcuk2: hm looks nice for a start.. it would be good if you could scroll by just touching the lower right corner or a few bottom lines | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | jott: my words, my words.. ;) | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you may also want to talk to a staffer about getting a hostmask cloak. | 05:19 |
| lcuk | it feels like i am joining a gang :S | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_> | 05:20 |
| lcuk | jott - autoscroll will return - not yet sure about the right interface | 05:20 |
| jott | lcuk: pressure sensitive speed? :) | 05:21 |
| lcuk | im wary of intiially using too much touch without identification of what areas do | 05:21 |
| lcuk | no because you use different pressure with finger as with stylus | 05:21 |
| jott | stylus = evil | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, start with simple touch/no touch | 05:21 |
| lcuk | i had speed proportional to distance from left (left = 1/2 speed, right = 4x speed) it was great | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | and incremental speed scrolling | 05:22 |
| lcuk | i also had hot zones for next/previous | 05:22 |
| lcuk | but i need some indicator on screen (I did dark grey rectangles under the text) | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | naaah | 05:22 |
| lcuk | but it was a bit distracting - maybe i only show them when you are thumbing it | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | don't overcomplicate | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | imagine what would be intuitive | 05:23 |
| lcuk | it lets you know what you are doing - one of my problems with fbreader was a tap on the screen moved me blocks of pages down | 05:23 |
| lcuk | accidental tap | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | then just start with scroll by line | 05:24 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt want the same now | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | and then accelerate | 05:24 |
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| KotCzarny | that will give user time to correct | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | and not to loose context | 05:24 |
| lcuk | i will put autoscrolling back in - its really easy | 05:24 |
| lcuk | i need to also look in mplayer for the blackout avoidance code :) | 05:25 |
| jott | yeah i think autoscrolling would be good and if you flip the finger kinetic scrolling would be nice | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | and remember to make them configurable | 05:25 |
| lcuk | kinetic is easy as well - and when on -turbo it is smooth as anything :) | 05:26 |
| lcuk | i could almost picture myself writing the full interface in it | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:27 |
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| lcuk | the biggest problem with kinetic is that your finger doesnt really do it... its like sliding your finger along the carpet - its not smooth | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | oil it | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | or wear some teflon gloves | 05:30 |
| lcuk | genius! | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | where? | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:30 |
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| koyote | download, little file. | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you need a screen protector. :P | 05:33 |
| koyote | oh, i should get one of those. | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boxwave anti-glare. | 05:34 |
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| koyote | man, first time flashing a new device is always nervous making | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | no problem | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | it's 99.9% safe | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:39 |
| koyote | heheh | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I've flashed somewhere near 4 dozen times. | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's really not much that can go wrong. | 05:40 |
| koyote | unlike the old days with the first linux-on palm stuff | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't pull out the USB cable. | 05:40 |
| koyote | or the very very first zaurus clamshell alternates | 05:40 |
| koyote | done, eh. | 05:41 |
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| lcuk | nite all :) thx | 05:47 |
| koyote | okay, now i need... a 24 hour clock setting (grrrr) and to find software. here we go | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | forget desktop clock | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | get statusbar-clock | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | nite lcuk | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:48 |
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| koyote | huh | 05:49 |
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| derf | koyote: If you ever do figure out how to enable a 24-hour clock, let me know. | 05:53 |
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| koyote | yeah. | 05:53 |
| derf | The Europeans get one, but not us. | 05:53 |
| pupnik | http://openpandora.org/pandora-boardv2.jpg gotta love designers sharing their stuff with the world | 05:54 |
| koyote | really? | 05:55 |
| koyote | so it should be a different version of the cclock applet? | 05:55 |
| derf | That's what I've been told. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what's the Pandora gonna run, anyway? | 05:55 |
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| derf | I suspect it's really got some regional settings somewhere that are not exposed in a GUI, but I haven't tracked them down. | 05:56 |
| koyote | well, I | 05:56 |
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| koyote | I'd expect either to have a different flash download, or that it's a setting soemwhere. | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been interesting to get ITOS running on it. | 05:56 |
| koyote | switching to uk englush doesn't fix it | 05:56 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: a basic program loader and probably debian armel later on | 05:57 |
| pupnik | they don't want OS getting in the way of the emus | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see. | 05:58 |
| kpel | any idea how to upgrade my os2007 devel environment to os2008? | 05:58 |
| jott | pupnik: what about opengl? | 05:58 |
| jott | (or better opengl es) | 05:58 |
| kpel | do i need to rip everything out? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | PowerVR SGX, jott. | 05:58 |
| jott | having complaint hardware means a sh** | 05:59 |
| pupnik | jott: will definitely have it - not sure how it'll be exposed | 05:59 |
| koyote | derf: got it | 05:59 |
| jott | pupnik: will you get a dev board? | 05:59 |
| koyote | i set my home city to LA (i am in california) my language to english, and my regional settings to deutschland | 06:00 |
| pupnik | haha no | 06:00 |
| koyote | reboot and bingo. | 06:00 |
| * jott still doubts it will get opengl es drivers :P | 06:00 | |
| koyote | 24 hour clock, sane dd.mm.yyyy display | 06:00 |
| * koyote is suddenly a lot more comfortable. | 06:01 | |
| pupnik | i've read that the PowerVR SGX530 supports full opengl 2.0 | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it, jott? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | with pixel shader? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:02 |
| jott | because it's linux :) | 06:02 |
| pupnik | yes with shaders | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 06:02 |
| koyote | man, i need that usb keyboard | 06:03 |
| derf | koyote: How's your decimal separator? | 06:03 |
| koyote | lemme check. i use both types so often i don't even notice. one moment | 06:04 |
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| koyote | decimal is , | 06:04 |
| derf | Yeah, that's no good. | 06:05 |
| koyote | there's probably a region that fixes that for you | 06:05 |
| koyote | hang on | 06:05 |
| koyote | eh, that'll take some rebooting to determine. | 06:07 |
| koyote | but now i suspect there's a file whee i can find it | 06:07 |
| koyote | once i figure out how to download a terminal | 06:07 |
| * koyote blinks at the version | 06:08 | |
| derf | OS 2008 comes with an xterm. | 06:08 |
| koyote | yes it does. cool | 06:08 |
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| koyote | grrr. no emacs | 06:12 |
| kpel | koyote: the xterm that comes with os2008 is quite ok. just don't use the exit command. click the x button instead at the window corner. | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | koyote, what, you expect it to come bundled? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 20MB is an insane amount of space for something 95% of the users will never use. | 06:13 |
| monkeyiq | ...but having a sane apt-get install emacs available for those other 5% :) | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189 | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be ported, package, and uploaded to Extras. | 06:14 |
| koyote | i haven't gotten to the download software part of this yet. | 06:14 |
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| koyote | nor the sshd part. so i can hack until i get a bt keyboard set up | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enable Extras and install OpenSSH | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save yourself the pain and suffering. :P | 06:15 |
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| koyote | enable extras... | 06:16 |
| koyote | got it | 06:20 |
| pupnik | gotta love Japan... "Killer Steam-Powered Robots from Dimension X is a simple arcade game." | 06:22 |
| Grackle | haha | 06:22 |
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| koyote | installing... defaults to internal memory, i am sure, but can you set it up to install to the internal sd card? | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you extend the rootfs there. | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But by default, no. | 06:25 |
| koyote | fly that falcon if the egg hatches | 06:26 |
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| koyote | um. i have no user account settings. that would make ssh odd. how cute | 06:28 |
| koyote | user user. i love it. | 06:29 |
| pupnik | http://noiz2sa.sourceforge.net/ i'd love this if we had opengl | 06:30 |
| Grackle | pupnik, every played this one? http://www.emhsoft.com/ttrooper/ | 06:31 |
| pupnik | kewl - no not yet | 06:31 |
| Grackle | It's quite fun. | 06:31 |
| pupnik | theres also a tempest2000 clone called 'typhoon' that's beautiful | 06:31 |
| pupnik | http://typhoon.kuto.de/index.html | 06:32 |
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| Grackle | oo | 06:33 |
| pupnik | want to help port cool games? :) | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | koyote, it's not really a multi-user system. | 06:35 |
| kpel | is it ok if i uninstall the map application? i'd rather use maemo-mapper | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure. | 06:35 |
| koyote | it's fine. | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:36 |
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| kpel | cool | 06:36 |
| koyote | i now need to find what i need to change the regional settings. | 06:36 |
| kpel | koyote: how did you get the 24hr clock? | 06:36 |
| Italodance | hi | 06:37 |
| koyote | kpel: the cheap way. set it to the germany region. | 06:38 |
| kpel | aha! thanks | 06:38 |
| koyote | but that messes with your decimal and date displays | 06:38 |
| kpel | ah, i think i'll pass then :) | 06:39 |
| koyote | *I* am fine with it, i've been using . and , interchangeably as decimal separators for years due to working with european militaries | 06:39 |
| koyote | so, since others are not fine with it, i am going to find the files and edit one up to post | 06:39 |
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| kpel | good stuff | 06:42 |
| kpel | time to go. goodmorning guys | 06:42 |
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| koyote | okay, gotta run back home. cafe wants to close | 06:44 |
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| Grackle_ | Bad RAM. Weh. | 06:59 |
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| Grackle_ | So is there hardware with code/drivers to do 3D accelerated graphics on any of the internet tablets? | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | but unreachable by most of us | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's hardware | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | no drivers. | 07:03 |
| Grackle_ | Oh, that's sad. Why are there no drivers? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | A variety of reasons. | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | grackle: only nokia can tell | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some hardware, some managerial stemming from hardware. | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | everything else is just rumour starting | 07:06 |
| pupnik | heh GeneralAntilles they estimate battery life on the pandora around 100 hours playing mp3s | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | How big is the battery? | 07:06 |
| pupnik | 4000mah | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 07:06 |
| Grackle_ | Man, what a waste. That's unfortunate. | 07:06 |
| T0b07ras | Thou dost need'em not | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | laptopish | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, performance wouldn't be as good as you think even if we did have drivers. | 07:06 |
| T0b07ras | Why, CPU? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | still. free cycles. | 07:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mostly the LCD controller. | 07:11 |
| pupnik | "Why do people want color displays? These IBM Pc's aren't video-game machines!" - IBM exec, 1981 | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | you won't play much on xt | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 07:13 |
| Italodance | :o | 07:14 |
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| jsn | how do you view windows shared files from a n810 connected to the network via a router? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | is that a trick question? | 07:18 |
| jsn | lol no | 07:19 |
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| Proteous | step 1: search for a n810 program that will let you connect to windows shares | 07:22 |
| Proteous | step 2: install this program | 07:22 |
| Proteous | step 3: profit | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | no no | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | that would be step 4 | 07:22 |
| jsn | lol i knew that much' | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | you can NOT omit step 3. | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| Proteous | sorry | 07:22 |
| jsn | it says that it's able to do it "out of the box", just wondering how | 07:22 |
| Proteous | step 3: ??? | 07:23 |
| Proteous | step 4: profit | 07:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jsn, open up File manager. | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be there in the sidebar. | 07:34 |
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| kwan | Does anybody know where libgstdspaudio libgstdsppcm libgstdspilbc etc sources come from? | 07:54 |
| kwan | i can't seem to find it in normal gstreamer sources | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | can be closed | 07:55 |
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| eharris | trying to install maemo-mapper for os2006 using maemo garage repository, but it won't install because it's missing the libgpsmgr dependency. Any idea where I can get that? | 08:05 |
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| Italodance | YEAH! | 08:28 |
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| koyote | I really don't understand this | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 09:11 |
| koyote | these little bags of pork rinds have KOSHER salsa packets in them | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | life. | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | marketing. | 09:12 |
| koyote | kosher salsa? for pork? | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | lie. | 09:12 |
| koyote | no angband? | 09:14 |
| koyote | now, that's just wrong. | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | i believe pupnik compiled one | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik.de | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | and look for yourself | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:14 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, bed time, night night | 09:14 |
| koyote | night | 09:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:40 |
| liri | morning jaffa | 09:41 |
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| WormFood | what is going on with OS2008 not being able to connect to some WAPs? Mine was working just fine, then for no reason it stopped working. | 11:10 |
| WormFood | now it seems to connect to almost any WAP except mine | 11:11 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 11:22 |
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| WormFood | anyone want to buy a slightly used N800? I got it in January. | 12:02 |
| WormFood | I'll trade it for a PSP or 2 or 3 batteries for my laptop | 12:03 |
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| unique311 | morning | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 12:05 |
| WormFood | evening | 12:05 |
| WormFood | it is 6pm here :P | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | 10 AM here - GMT baby :p | 12:06 |
| unique311 | euro | 12:06 |
| WormFood | I'm on chinese time ;) | 12:06 |
| unique311 | 6 am here in good ole nueva York | 12:06 |
| unique311 | hey worm | 12:07 |
| WormFood | hey unique | 12:07 |
| unique311 | nvm | 12:08 |
| tank-man | n800 for a psp, good deal :) | 12:08 |
| WormFood | no kidding | 12:08 |
| unique311 | I was going to do a digging joke | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | I actually have both :p :D | 12:08 |
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| unique311 | but very j | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | Except my PSP joystick is broken | 12:08 |
| unique311 | hard to type p | 12:08 |
| unique311 | on iPhone | 12:08 |
| WormFood | I paid about $230 USD for my N800, but I can get a PSP for about $170 (1200 RMB) | 12:09 |
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| qwerty12 | The internet on a PSP original sucks though | 12:09 |
| WormFood | unique311, as far as a digging joke goes, my name means "underground" | 12:09 |
| tank-man | its better on a slim psp? | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, more memory | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | My PSP would always complain after a few sites | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | I'd have to reboot the thing | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | Anybody give me a link to any AcrossLite (*.puz) file please? | 12:12 |
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| qwerty12 | I want to test something | 12:12 |
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| WormFood | so nobody knows what is going on with the N800 not getting an IP from some WAPs? | 12:18 |
| Veggen | does the n810 take mini sdhc? | 12:20 |
| Veggen | seems like. hmm. need to find. | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your APs are broken? | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You broke your N800? | 12:25 |
| WormFood | nothing was changed with either one | 12:26 |
| WormFood | everything else connects to the AP just fine | 12:26 |
| WormFood | and the N800 connects to random APs just fine (but not some random APs) | 12:26 |
| WormFood | it seems like if I'm going to be somewhere for a while, it won't connect, but if I'm just passing through it will connect | 12:27 |
| WormFood | it must have a critical use detector in it, and when it detects I'm going to use it, it won't work | 12:27 |
| Veggen | could it be the power saving features? | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | What channel is your router on? Do you have mac address filtering, WPA? Have you tried setting IP address staticly on N800? | 12:28 |
| WormFood | nothing was changed with the AP | 12:28 |
| WormFood | it was working one day, and not the next | 12:28 |
| WormFood | I can't imagine how it can be any power saving feature, because I turn it on, and it don't work | 12:29 |
| WormFood | this is a documented problem. I'm not the only one with this problem | 12:29 |
| WormFood | I'm hoping someone know what the hell is going on | 12:29 |
| WormFood | it connects to the AP, it just won't get an IP address | 12:29 |
| WormFood | I manually set the address and I can ping the N800, but for some god damn stupid fuckin' reason, it does not seem to let me set the default gateway | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you reflash? | 12:30 |
| WormFood | but that is not a solution, even if it did work....I know what my home network settings are, but I may not know the settings for some other WAP | 12:30 |
| WormFood | yes, I reflashed several times | 12:30 |
| WormFood | right now I'm trying to download OS2007 (for the 3rd fuckin' time) to try that | 12:31 |
| WormFood | I can't believe how slow nokia's web site is! | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | I find connecting to Chinese sites from the UK is slow ;) | 12:32 |
| WormFood | I downloaded the last OS2008 releases with no problems, but every time I get to the end of OS2007 I get some stupid error with firefox or iceape or whatever the fuck they want to call it this week | 12:32 |
| WormFood | I was downloading earlier today at over 100kb/s | 12:32 |
| WormFood | now I'm lucky to get 10kb/s | 12:32 |
| MangoFusion | would help if people stopped cutting undersea cables ;) | 12:32 |
| WormFood | maybe | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, I'll put away my wire cutters | 12:33 |
| WormFood | it would help if nokia paid for some fuckin' bandwidth! | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a routing problem rather than a bandwidth problem. | 12:34 |
| WormFood | it was running fine before but not now | 12:34 |
| WormFood | if they didn't make me register on their stupid site, I'd just download it to my server in usa, then download it from there (sometimes that helps with slow sites) | 12:35 |
| WormFood | asking me for my MAC address is just gay | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, not really. | 12:35 |
| WormFood | I don't even use my mac address :P | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're making sure you actually own a device. | 12:35 |
| WormFood | so what does it accomplish? | 12:35 |
| WormFood | that does not make sure you own the device | 12:36 |
| WormFood | I can sniff that mac | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | But the mac address can be faked too :(. Thats how I got my N800 OS2008 image before it came. | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Legally, that's what it accomplishes. | 12:36 |
| WormFood | so their gay mac address check does not make sure you actually have the device | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Serial numbers for shareware software can also be obtained. | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Legally it does | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is what matters | 12:36 |
| WormFood | legally? | 12:36 |
| WormFood | I don't think that helps them legally | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | for the software they license from other people. | 12:36 |
| WormFood | oooohhhhhh | 12:37 |
| WormFood | but still, the MAC addresses are public record | 12:37 |
| WormFood | you can go lookup what mac address range nokia has assigned to them | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's still not the point. | 12:37 |
| WormFood | with a little bit of effort you can narrow down which range of addresses are used for the n800 | 12:37 |
| WormFood | and/or n810 | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, software generally doesn't have a sexual preference. | 12:38 |
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| WormFood | and I could have downloaded the os2008 images before it was out, because other people posted the right mac range to use to download | 12:38 |
| WormFood | just a few days ago, I drove by a nokia factory | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're really not getting the point, are you? | 12:39 |
| WormFood | I know the N800 is made in korea, but still, I wonder what they make in that factory | 12:39 |
| WormFood | I get the point that checking the mac address is gay | 12:39 |
| WormFood | I know what point you're trying to make | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That you don't have a point? | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That you just want to bitch for a while. | 12:40 |
| WormFood | they are trying to make an effort against unauthorized downloads | 12:40 |
| WormFood | they are making a feeble attempt to make sure people who do not own an n800 can not download their software | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 says it is made in Finland... | 12:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | To be quite honest, nobody wants to hear you bitch. | 12:40 |
| Veggen | for them, it's ok that you say that yoy own that device. of course they know it can and does get faked. | 12:41 |
| WormFood | qwerty12, are you in europe? | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, I'm in London. | 12:41 |
| WormFood | I bought mine in usa (Even tho I'm in asia now) | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, the NITs aren't even sold in China | 12:42 |
| MangoFusion | finland here too | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So why would you expect them to have a good bandwidth supply there? | 12:42 |
| WormFood | because I was getting 100k downloads earlier today from them | 12:42 |
| WormFood | you're right, it could have nothing to do with their bandwidth | 12:43 |
| WormFood | but I suspect it is, because other sites are blazing fast for me | 12:43 |
| WormFood | and by "other sites", I mean sites outside of asia | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Irrelevant. | 12:43 |
| WormFood | if you don't have a solution to the problem, then you are irrelevant to me :P | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix your router. | 12:44 |
| WormFood | I still have not gotten any good reason as to why the N800 won't get an IP address from some APs (when it did before) | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | We havn't recived any good answers. I tried before, all I got was that nothing is changed | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | What were the settings before in that case? | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you reflashed without restoring a backup and it still doesn't connect, then it's the router. | 12:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles is pulling down 1.2MB/sec from tablets-dev | 12:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously not a bandwidth issue. | 12:45 |
| WormFood | I relflashed with and without a restore from backup | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | Also, I believe, correct me if I am wrong, US tablets use different wifi frequencies ? | 12:46 |
| WormFood | and I can't imagine it being anything with the router because nothing was changed with the router | 12:46 |
| WormFood | you are wrong qwerty12 | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | fair enough | 12:46 |
| WormFood | usa has 12 channels IIRC, and other parts of the world get up to 14 channels | 12:46 |
| WormFood | I don't think that is an issue, because my router is from usa | 12:47 |
| WormFood | also, the router I'm connecting to on my laptop works just fine....it just won't work with the n800 | 12:47 |
| WormFood | like I said, this is a documented problem....I'm not the only one with this problem | 12:47 |
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| qwerty12 | I dunno, my N800 connects fine everyday to my router. | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same here | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Several dozen, in fact. | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\ | 12:49 |
| Veggen | hmm. I have another wifi problem. if i go into offline mode and to online mode again, then it won't connect before I reboot. | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/an/any/ | 12:50 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I've never had a problem connecting to anyy known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\ | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | "anyy" ? | 12:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with any Nokia tablet. :\ | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid bot. | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:50 |
| WormFood | I used to not have problems, then all of a sudden one day I started having problems | 12:50 |
| WormFood | I reflashed and I still have problems | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Does dmesg say anything when you try to connect? or have you tried syslog? | 12:51 |
| WormFood | with or without restoring my backup | 12:51 |
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| WormFood | how do I get root access on it without installing some other app? | 12:51 |
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| WormFood | I doubt dmesg will show dhcp problems | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have linux on your computer? | 12:51 |
| WormFood | of course | 12:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Use flasher-3.0 to set rd mode | 12:52 |
| Veggen | wormfood: why not install eg easyroot? | 12:52 |
| WormFood | ooohhh....I see what you're saying | 12:52 |
| WormFood | why not install easyroot? because I can't get an internet connection from the n800 | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | The deb is only a few kb, install it from tablet | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | No dependies (spelling) afaik | 12:53 |
| WormFood | jesusfuckin'christ! I just downloaded OS2007 in about 15 seconds to my server, and I've been waiting HOURS for it to download here :( | 12:54 |
| WormFood | where do I get "easyroot" from? | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | www.nitapps.com | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | anybody can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/d2b2d9373 ? About in control panel lists two <unknown>'s too | 12:58 |
| WormFood | thanks qwerty12 | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | np | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are you trying to do? | 12:59 |
| WormFood | I have been downloading OS2007 for over 3.5 hours....and this time it did not give me an error (last 2 times it gave me an error) | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | General: Fix my about screen. Maybe I'm vain but I don't like it when my N800's software version is listed as unknown | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | I dont really want to reflash too. | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, mine's that way, to.o | 13:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. :\ | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :). I think I have been messing around with it too much... | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not aware of a fix, in any case. | 13:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok thanks, I thought you may be able to set the info manually with flasher. :( | 13:02 |
| keesj | qwerty12: you might not even be able to flash :p | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, I hope not. But I'm not testing to find out :p | 13:04 |
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| keesj | I have been there :P http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/RecoverBrokenDevice | 13:04 |
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| keesj | that was a white screen of death | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know what I'm excited about? Running Pandora stuff on the N900. | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | keesj: Eek, thanks for the link... | 13:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm not so keen on buying another internet tablet IMO, TBH, I'd rather just buy a pandora | 13:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eh, my desire for a pure gaming device is low. | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Will N900 have closed components like the N8*0 now? | 13:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guaranteed | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | :(, kinda puts me off getting another one. I know I'm not a developer or anything but I think more could be done with a Pandora. | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the Pandora is ugly as shit. | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, true | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Horrifying, really. | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | True actually, so because they are using same OMAP, would Pandora programs work on N900? | 13:11 |
| glass | pandora isn't on store shelves yet | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | But lot of the info about it is already available. | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | I think even a PCB pic is available (?) | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, and never will be. :P | 13:12 |
| glass | a lot of info about a lot of cancelled devices is.... | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they've put up a few PCB shots over the last week. | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the CPUs will be virtually identical (assuming, anyway, that Nokia goes in the direction my logic circuits tell me they will :D). | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | w00t! I dunno, if I ever get enough money and wait it out to see which device is more popular | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | odd question but is N8*0 based a bit on BB5 platform for Nokia phones? retu & tahvo chips are found in BB5 phones, phoenix supports the N800 & my N800 comes up as a BB5 update device. | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | I guess thats why those chips are closed, if so. | 13:15 |
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| pupnik | yeah it'd be nice to see maemo on something besides just tablets | 13:17 |
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| pupnik | pandora would be 'perfect' for it | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | More or less possible now. | 13:17 |
| glass | whats the os supposed to be in pandora? | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The important parts, anyway. | 13:17 |
| pupnik | 'shipping on something; | 13:17 |
| pupnik | i should have said | 13:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Ubuntu Mobile, then. | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | glass, practically nothing. | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | A loader, basically. | 13:18 |
| pupnik | yes | 13:18 |
| glass | ok | 13:18 |
| jacky_ | Help. If I want to add kernel module to N800, after I compile the module. Which should I do then. Which software should be installed in N800 | 13:18 |
| pupnik | i think insmod exists | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik is right | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | just use insmod as root to insert a module | 13:19 |
| jacky_ | My question is when I connect N800 to my computer. Only the directory in the memory card shows. The system directory doesn't show | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | scp | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | sftp | 13:21 |
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| qwerty12 | You cannot mount rootfs over usb afaik | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't mount it on two machines. :P | 13:22 |
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| qwerty12 | True lol. | 13:23 |
| jacky_ | Anyother way that I can log to the N800 in my PC | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | scp | 13:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sftp | 13:25 |
| keesj | qwerty12: I think you can | 13:25 |
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| qwerty12 | But not while the N800 is using it right? | 13:26 |
| keesj | *mount the rootfs over usb* ther initds does even provide a menu entry(I did never test it) | 13:26 |
| keesj | alright ( I was thinking the oposite) | 13:26 |
| keesj | sorry | 13:26 |
| AStorm | here the new kernel locks used partition | 13:26 |
| AStorm | that is, doesn't export it | 13:26 |
| AStorm | no room for error | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | keesj: Yes, that is what I was thinking. I think it would work in initfs | 13:27 |
| AStorm | On N810 of course | 13:29 |
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| WormFood | this is so god damn frustrating! | 13:33 |
| WormFood | I'm about closed to smashing this piece of shit with a hammer | 13:34 |
| WormFood | it is a god damn $230 brick now | 13:34 |
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| Veggen | wormfood: first, get root access on device. second: the wireless-tools might help you troubleshooting problems. | 13:36 |
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| WormFood | it is not a wireless problem | 13:38 |
| WormFood | it is a dhcp problem | 13:38 |
| Veggen | mm, yes. but being able to associate from commandline, then run udhcpc from command line could give you some info. | 13:41 |
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| pupnik | jott: bored? | 13:42 |
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| WormFood | running udhcpd from the command line does not do a god damn thing | 13:57 |
| WormFood | they did a shitty job on the n800's networking abilities | 14:02 |
| WormFood | I can't even get "ifup" to work | 14:02 |
| WormFood | udhcpd gives me no such device | 14:03 |
| jott | pupnik: not as much as i would like :) .. why? | 14:03 |
| pupnik | gp2x snes emu is compiled and loading roms - needs audio, video and input | 14:04 |
| pupnik | WormFood: sorry i don't know the answer | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's busybox, WormFood. | 14:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have all the same pieces as a heavier weight distro. | 14:05 |
| jott | hmm nice.. but nothing i would want to do atm atleast :/ | 14:05 |
| pupnik | hehe ok | 14:05 |
| WormFood | I know it is busybox, but still, I don't expect it to tell me the device does not exist when I can see it with ifconfig | 14:06 |
| WormFood | did I overlook the arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard...I can't seem to find them anywhere | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have a giant d-pad on the left. | 14:06 |
| WormFood | I never expected that to be the arrow keys | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | Why not? | 14:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What else would it be? | 14:07 |
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| Veggen | wormfood: | 14:10 |
| Veggen | ugh. (wasn't going to say anything) | 14:10 |
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| pupnik | Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. | 14:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lucky | 14:20 |
| sxpert | pupnik, ouch | 14:21 |
| pupnik | http://laughingsquid.com/ | 14:22 |
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| pupnik | lmao you can book a flight with them | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | ever make the mistake of scrolling up in irssi with shift+pgup and then, for a split second, being REALLY confused? | 15:01 |
| Veggen | shift-pageup? | 15:04 |
| Veggen | hmm. snowing here now.. | 15:08 |
| Veggen | much. | 15:08 |
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| webustany | hi | 15:16 |
| Gepsu | hi | 15:17 |
| webustany | how can i uninstall packages with "invisible" dependencies on os2008 ? | 15:17 |
| webustany | eg. python-something is required by canolad | 15:18 |
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| webustany | but I already removed canola... | 15:18 |
| webustany | i don't have gainroot on my n810 | 15:19 |
| pupnik | i don't think i do either | 15:19 |
| pupnik | i just ssh to root@localhost | 15:19 |
| webustany | ?? | 15:19 |
| webustany | that works ??? | 15:20 |
| webustany | without password ? | 15:20 |
| pupnik | you need to install openssh | 15:20 |
| webustany | i did | 15:20 |
| webustany | gonna test that | 15:20 |
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| webustany | oh yeah | 15:22 |
| webustany | ssh-server... | 15:22 |
| Veggen | how can people live without root? :) | 15:22 |
| webustany | i couldn't... | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a barbaric world. | 15:23 |
| webustany | though i prefer sudo... | 15:23 |
| jott | how can people live without ssh? :O | 15:23 |
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| Veggen | webustany: sudo is root access in my book :) | 15:23 |
| * webustany hugs openbsd | 15:24 | |
| webustany | yes | 15:24 |
| webustany | but you keep your environment | 15:25 |
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| * lcuk lives without root | 15:29 | |
| * lcuk is a carnivore | 15:29 | |
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| * jott feeds lcuk cows with a root | 15:30 | |
| * lcuk opens the fistula and throws the rotting material at jott | 15:31 | |
| * jott evades | 15:31 | |
| * lcuk picks up jott and puts him into the fistual opening | 15:32 | |
| * jott gains extra skill "Evade rotting materials" | 15:32 | |
| lcuk | evade that :P | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | (after fixing typo)_ | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | is it normal form now to get a hosted machine and install your own CMS on it - or does maemo garage have enough help around? | 15:33 |
| * jott eats the cow from the inside out and wins | 15:33 | |
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| jott | hm probably easier to get a blog instead :) | 15:34 |
| lcuk | but a blog is so...bleugh | 15:35 |
| Veggen | I've always been a run-my-own-services-person. | 15:35 |
| Veggen | one learns a lot by doing it, also. | 15:35 |
| lcuk | the only easily accessible space i have is google pages, but theres no services runnable - i cant host an svn or bugtracker | 15:35 |
| lcuk | but then there is cost veggen | 15:36 |
| Veggen | I run everything at home on the adsl line I need anyways. | 15:36 |
| jott | well for svn/bt you can use garage or code.google | 15:36 |
| lcuk | code google might do me | 15:36 |
| Veggen | granted, I don't run high traffic services. | 15:36 |
| lcuk | but garage is more likely to get me a cheap nokia at next upgrade | 15:37 |
| jott | Veggen: hehe yeah for private use it's fine but i don't want to waste upstream bandwidth if there are better solutions :) | 15:37 |
| lcuk | i suppose i will have to have a proper look around in the coming weeks | 15:37 |
| lcuk | i do not want to host anything on home - its actually low bandwidth cable (at least upstream) | 15:37 |
| lcuk | i could host it on 810 i suppose | 15:38 |
| lcuk | that way bandwidth wouldnt be a problem ;) | 15:38 |
| Veggen | jott: though - I've considered putting my private stuff on a server hosting platform. | 15:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Afternoon ;) :) | 15:54 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: true | 16:13 |
| WormFood | <pupnik> Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. <-- I knew that, but did you know he is also a world class fencer? | 16:16 |
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| pupnik | heh no. :) checking the wiki now | 16:20 |
| WormFood | I've been listening to Iron Maiden since 1983 or 1984 (1984 is when I bought my first maiden album) | 16:22 |
| WormFood | Iron Maide has been around since 1976 I think it was when they first started | 16:23 |
| WormFood | maiden* | 16:23 |
| jaska | old farts | 16:23 |
| Veggen | hmm. maybe a colleage of mine knows him, then. He (my colleague) is an international fencing judge and president of the norwegian fencing association... | 16:23 |
| WormFood | cool | 16:24 |
| Veggen | but i can't see him listening to Iron Maiden :) | 16:24 |
| WormFood | I'm not that old jaska...I'm only 39 | 16:24 |
| jaska | well, iron maiden are :) | 16:24 |
| WormFood | I'm not pushing 40...I'm pulling 30 | 16:24 |
| jaska | 27, albeit my 30s-crisis started when i hit 21 | 16:24 |
| WormFood | You can say when I hit my mid-life crisis, I moved to China ;) (that is not really true, but some people see it as that) | 16:25 |
| jaska | ahh, thought i was in another channel :) | 16:25 |
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| jaska | its a small internet. | 16:26 |
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| WormFood | hehehe...funny, eh jaska? | 16:27 |
| WormFood | I've seen other people I know on other irc servers in unrelated channels :P | 16:27 |
| ol_schoola_ | funny how much crossover i see in *mythtv-users and #rockbox | 16:28 |
| WormFood | anyways, I'm off to bed, I'll see you all l8r | 16:28 |
| ol_schoola_ | night | 16:28 |
| jaska | nn. | 16:29 |
| WormFood | well, jaska and I hang out on a totally different channel, on a totally different server. | 16:29 |
| ol_schoola_ | that'll happen | 16:29 |
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| czr | WormFood, whereabouts in china? | 16:34 |
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| lopz | morning | 16:39 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn. | 16:55 |
| L0cN800 | idem | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | anything important happened while i was sleeping? | 16:57 |
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| czr | KotCzarny, nothing of importance. | 17:10 |
| czr | move along.. | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | good. back to sleep then. | 17:10 |
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| koyote | go bruce | 17:18 |
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| ptman | has anyone formatted the n810 internal memory card to ext2/3 | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | that wouldn't be a wise thing | 17:19 |
| ptman | why is that? | 17:19 |
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| KotCzarny | because it's a raw flash | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | and no one said anything about wear levelling | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | (as it happens on sd) | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | so jffs2 is a must there | 17:20 |
| jott | it's preformatted as fat | 17:20 |
| ptman | umm | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | jott: are we talking about sd card or built in flash? | 17:20 |
| jott | it's fine to use ext instead | 17:20 |
| ptman | I mean the 2GB internal flash disk | 17:20 |
| jott | obviously the 2gb card | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | ptman: is that flash disk removable? | 17:21 |
| jott | not without opening the device | 17:21 |
| ptman | I've been thinking about it, but is there anyone with experience? I'd like to know if software break with a case-sensitive fs etc. | 17:21 |
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| ptman | KotCzarny: check out the specs on the n810 | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | jott: built in flash in n810 is a soldered sd card? or one-nand flash ? | 17:22 |
| jott | should be some kind of sd/mmc | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:22 |
| jott | dmesg | 17:22 |
| jott | oops | 17:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:23 |
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| jott | well anyway. it works fine with ext.. fat is evil anyway | 17:23 |
| MangoFusion | they solder in sd cards? interesting | 17:24 |
| ptman | and do you need a custom kernel for ext3 support? | 17:24 |
| jott | no | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | ptman, ext3 module is on initfs | 17:24 |
| ptman | good | 17:25 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder why they haven't made a solution similiar to n800 | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | ie. one easily removable and one hidden under-cover slot | 17:29 |
| MangoFusion | could be that they want to encourage people to buy new units when and if the internal memory goes kaput | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they were afraid people will overwrite bootloader then | 17:30 |
| jott | is there actually anyone who disassembled his/her n810? | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen naked n800's photos | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:30 |
| jott | yeah they are of no interests :P | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | i liked them :P | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | *geekpr0n* | 17:31 |
| jott | booring .. i want to see n810 nude pics :) | 17:31 |
| czr | only if the pics include close-up shots of the chips! | 17:31 |
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| jott | yeah give it to me! | 17:31 |
| KotCzarny | czr: they were a closeups | 17:32 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:32 |
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| * czr drools a bit. | 17:32 | |
| jott | but it's really strange as most devices get disassembled sooner or later by people who know they will get them back together easily afterwards :) | 17:33 |
| czr | although I bet it's not as sexy as a proper BER-decode of an X.509 | 17:33 |
| unique311 | after owning an iphone for more than a day, i can honestly say that i love my n800 more much. | 17:33 |
| jott | but n800 is milf stuff :P | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | pf | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | better milf in hand.. :P | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:33 |
| czr | milf always reminds me of the email addresses of the finnish military people | 17:33 |
| czr | @mil.fi | 17:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:34 |
| czr | which.. for obvious reasons, it quite funny when sending them email. | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | htc looks interesting | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1080 | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | no naked but overall chic | 17:34 |
| KotCzarny | brb. breakfast | 17:35 |
| unique311 | but maybe my iphone judgements are premature... | 17:35 |
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| MangoFusion | i tried out an ipod touch a while ago. didn't really get what the fuss was about | 17:36 |
| MangoFusion | apart from the nice transitions | 17:36 |
| unique311 | i think thats it... | 17:36 |
| unique311 | really nice gui | 17:36 |
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| MangoFusion | personally i like my n800 more ;) | 17:37 |
| jott | this htc thing is huge :O | 17:37 |
| MangoFusion | (e.g i don't need a pc to plonk music on for starters!) | 17:37 |
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| jott | http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/11435-HTC-Shift-vs-Nokia-n810 hm :O | 17:40 |
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| unique311 | i like how they are always trying to compare the ITs with phones... | 17:41 |
| Veggen | eeek. | 17:41 |
| Veggen | 2414 user SW 208M 1 0.0168.4 browser | 17:42 |
| MangoFusion | what?! an IT isn't a phone? OMFWTF?! ;) | 17:42 |
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| MangoFusion | 208m? wow | 17:42 |
| unique311 | i guess it is | 17:42 |
| jott | you can skype and voip - hence it's a phone :) | 17:43 |
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| jott | man landline connections are voip nowadays too :) | 17:43 |
| jott | many | 17:44 |
| unique311 | not a cellular phone | 17:45 |
| unique311 | comeback for that one | 17:45 |
| jott | well we are not far aways from cellular voice going over ip in larger scale | 17:46 |
| unique311 | tmobile is offering something like this... | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | top isn't an exact mem checker | 17:50 |
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| czr | it's not even close to exact. | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | top isn't a benchmark too | 17:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:53 |
| Veggen | well. it's usually not *that* wrong? unless you're thinking about shared memory usage, etc... | 17:53 |
| jott | well it's exact but the number is not what people think it is :) | 17:53 |
| jott | though /proc/$PID/status is a bit more verbose :) | 17:54 |
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| * koyote fails to find an angband. | 18:02 | |
| KotCzarny | ask pupnik | 18:02 |
| koyote | actually, not a lot of games of types i do play are ported | 18:02 |
| MangoFusion | neat, moving my menu bar to the bottom (when rotated) now allows me to see the call button in skype. muhahah | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik.de | 18:03 |
| koyote | i looked on pupnik's page. | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i have seen nethack there | 18:03 |
| keesj | MangoFusion: screen shot? | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | and i believe zangband will compile in scratchbox without a problem | 18:03 |
| keesj | frozen bubble must also be nice rotated | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | there's another bubble clone | 18:03 |
| koyote | there's tome | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | forgot the name | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:03 |
| koyote | not fond of nethack so much. | 18:04 |
| koyote | freeciv? | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried compiling in sb/sdk ? | 18:04 |
| pupnik | i have an angband? | 18:04 |
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| KotCzarny | i thought i have seen it somewhere , hum | 18:05 |
| pupnik | well, there was one being worked on | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | i knew it! | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:05 |
| koyote | angband, emacs, vlc and I can get rid of my laptop | 18:06 |
| MangoFusion | hmm appears that taking a screenshot does not work correctly (using that status applet) | 18:06 |
| jott | MangoFusion: imagemagick works fine though.. | 18:07 |
| pupnik | hmm i have angband armel here and never uploaded it? | 18:07 |
| pupnik | koyote: want 3.0.6 or 3.0.9 ? | 18:08 |
| MangoFusion | can't be arsed to install that | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | MangoFusion: Screenshot in rotation? | 18:09 |
| MangoFusion | yeah | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | yup. | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I use the mh shot tool. | 18:09 |
| MangoFusion | ah | 18:09 |
| jott | MangoFusion: i use "import -window root foo.png" :) | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | but it's because s-tool expects fixed size i believe | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | load applet works a *bit* better if you set it to low level screenshots | 18:10 |
| koyote | pupnik: either, but 3.0.9 is better, i think | 18:10 |
| koyote | I agree with the new direction. though scripting is handy with limited inputs. | 18:11 |
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| MangoFusion | just used the old fashioned approach | 18:14 |
| MangoFusion | http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n800rotskqs0.jpg | 18:14 |
| pupnik | koyote http://pupnik.de/angband_3.0.9-1_armel.deb angband (sdl) | 18:14 |
| pupnik | thanks KotCzarny | 18:14 |
| MangoFusion | see? big fat call button nicely visible. and contact picture too | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:15 |
| keesj | MangoFusion: nice | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:15 |
| MangoFusion | generally speaking i think the rotate stuff is great | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | how did you get upright skype and menubar on the bottom? | 18:16 |
| MangoFusion | just wish there was support by default | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Drag the menu bar to bottom in rotation mode. | 18:16 |
| MangoFusion | menubar on bottom? rotate then drag with the stylus | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | oo | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's draggable? | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Yea | 18:16 |
| pupnik | that looks to be dawnmists build | 18:16 |
| MangoFusion | doesn't work in normal mode though, very odd | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | first time i heard about it | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 18:16 |
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| jott | oops amazing :) | 18:17 |
| * KotCzarny tries it | 18:17 | |
| jott | must be a stupid hack.. if (width=800 && height=480) return YOU_SUCK; :) | 18:17 |
| MangoFusion | actually seems to be working in normal mode now. though i've never tried it before without rotation so i have little basis for speculation | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | how do i drag it? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | drag from under task navigator | 18:18 |
| MangoFusion | i start at the bottom just before the window bar | 18:18 |
| MangoFusion | then drag to an edge | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | it disappeared :/ | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | totally :/ | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | now i'm without menubar | 18:19 |
| koyote | pupnik: cool, gonna try it out. | 18:19 |
| jott | KotCzarny: you dragged it out of the screen :) | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Has anybody tried Bundyo's newly compiled mplayer ? flv works perfectly compared to Serge's build but menu doesn't work and gmplayer is broken :(. | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | jott, yeah, sure, now how do i get it back? | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:19 |
| jott | hm still i can't drag it in normal mode.. just rotated | 18:19 |
| jott | rotate? :) | 18:19 |
| MangoFusion | seems to work fine in normal mode for me atm | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | it's gone! | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | argh?! | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Take out your battery quick :p | 18:20 |
| MangoFusion | its a little bit unpredictable i think | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | i want my menubar back :/ | 18:20 |
| jott | MangoFusion: hmm right when you move it when rotated and let it in the non default position then i can drag it too | 18:21 |
| MangoFusion | crap now mine has gone | 18:21 |
| jott | haha | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's contagious ;) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | 3rd time lucky for someone? :p | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: your turn :P | 18:21 |
| * jott now has the menubar on top in non rotated mode :O that looks ugly | 18:21 | |
| MangoFusion | would be lovely if i could get it bacl | 18:22 |
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| MangoFusion | ok restarted and now its in the default position again *phew* | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-menu-gone.png | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | That actually looks good :p | 18:23 |
| jott | http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5020/fuglyiw6.png :) | 18:23 |
| jott | that is ugly :o | 18:23 |
| koyote | I am missing libsdl-ttf and hildon-libs | 18:24 |
| koyote | guess I should fix that | 18:24 |
| jott | still a really nice find :) | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 18:25 |
| jott | esp. when rotated | 18:25 |
| koyote | have to find the, of course | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | but could be nice if it worked realiably | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | koyote: apt-get | 18:25 |
| MangoFusion | oddly now i've restarted the menu bar no longer moves | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | and apt-cache search | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:25 |
| jott | MangoFusion: yeah it's somehow locked until you rotate :) | 18:25 |
| koyote | I haven't moved past app manager yet | 18:25 |
| MangoFusion | but as soon as i rotate it decides to work | 18:25 |
| MangoFusion | yes | 18:25 |
| jott | it's much more usable at the bottom.. esp. for launching apps and switching tasks with the finger | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | could be nice to integrate menubar moving into rotate applet | 18:27 |
| jott | well just drag it :O | 18:28 |
| MangoFusion | yes would be a lot easier | 18:28 |
| MangoFusion | :) | 18:28 |
| jott | i wonder if it's dbus controllable or somehow | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | jott: yeah, sure | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm menuless | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | that's why it could be nice to have a way to get it back | 18:30 |
| KotCzarny | via simple 'rotate again' | 18:30 |
| jott | hm funny bug(?) with the bookmarks - when the menu is at the bottom (while rotated) it won't start at entry 0 (i.e. open new browser window) but just in the middle of the list | 18:30 |
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| jott | yeah if you find out how to remote controll it i will integrate it in the rotate app :) | 18:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:31 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder, menubar is a part of matchbox or some nokia's addon? | 18:31 |
| jott | i guess it's part of hildon-desktop?! | 18:32 |
| jott | but could also be matchbox | 18:32 |
| jott | not sure | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | hildon-desktop is closed? | 18:32 |
| jott | no | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | let's see | 18:32 |
| jott | yeah seems to be hildon-desktop | 18:33 |
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| jott | hm | 18:34 |
| Italodance | :D | 18:34 |
| koyote | okay, guess I'll get apt working when I get back | 18:36 |
| koyote | off to take the kids to zombie jesus day! | 18:36 |
| czr | heh | 18:38 |
| jott | don't let jesus bite them :O | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | hildon_desktop_panel_grab_motion_event | 18:38 |
| Proteous | I hope zombie jesus hid lots of zombie larva eggs around this year | 18:39 |
| Proteous | strange how they taste so good | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | mmm, eggs | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | ah. it's for panels. | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 18:39 |
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| jott | hm speaking of eggs .. time to reveal the n810 hardware easter egg :) | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | hint? | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:43 |
| jott | it has to do with the hardware :> | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | Everyone asks about hardware easter eggs. The 770 has a microphone and the N800 has an FM tuner. Does the N810 have any secret hardware? . | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | same google result? | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | fm transmitter? | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:44 |
| jott | the "real" gps unit? :) | 18:44 |
| jott | a accelerometer? :) | 18:47 |
| jott | an integrated taser? | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | 50$ bills printer? | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Glock 40? | 18:48 |
| inz | kitchen sink? | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Mac-10? | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | rpg ? | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | AK-47? ;) :p | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | rpg beats ak-47 ;) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, now I use my glock 40 on you :p | 18:49 |
| jott | self-desctruction mechanism :) | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | no you don't | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | you're too fragmented | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:50 |
| jott | we do better than this stupid iphone wipe :O | 18:50 |
| jott | why wipe when you can explode? :) | 18:50 |
| * qwerty12 blinks | 18:50 | |
| KotCzarny | approved by us dod | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 18:50 |
| jott | man why are there no hardware freaks to just dissect this thing :) | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | jott, you first | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | i have n800 anyway | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:51 |
| jott | or some chinese guys who faked a nda to get on the internal schematics :) | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | i believe internal schematics are available | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | haven't you seen the link? | 18:52 |
| jott | for n810? | 18:52 |
| jott | n800 does not count | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | let me check | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:53 |
| * KotCzarny has n800 so it does count | 18:53 | |
| jott | no | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | n800 ftw | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA&feature=related | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 18:56 |
| jott | old :p | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Seen that before, would be so much better on N800 :p | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | this size it could be on sd card | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | transparent app bar | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Check out the screenshots thread in general on internet tablet talk | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Two themes posted which make at leas t one of the bars transparent :p | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | what's the app name? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | brb | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | 'home' key doesn't call app list | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | (/me still menubarless) | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Tried taking out your battery? bit extreme but hopefully your N800 wont have saved settings | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | I used to do it on my W810 all the time | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | no, i just want to find a way to bring it back without a reset | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Tried killing matchbox? | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | that will reboot the device | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | some rogue applet could work | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | For me it just loads desktop back into "safe mode" unless you count that as reboot :) | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | what's the killall name? | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno, I just use load applet. | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | what proces do you kill then? | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:02 |
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| qwerty12 | killall hildon-desktop - when killed, your applets disable until you reboot. if you send quit signal, your programs quit too. you send kill signal, your programs *should* be there :p | 19:02 |
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| KotCzarny | worked. | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | hah. | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Heres one transparent theme: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157583&postcount=308 | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | moving menubar roolez | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | but app menu is inaccessible then :/ | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | i think getting rid of whole menubar and installing statusbar menu is the way to go | 19:05 |
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| KotCzarny | now.. how did i managed to get rid of it | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:07 |
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| Italodance | who is baby here? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Any notepad++ like editor for linux that lets you search multiple file simultaneously | 19:07 |
| MangoFusion | KotCzarny: i think if you move to the bottom when in landscape it tends to vanish | 19:08 |
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| KotCzarny | i can't get rid of it, hum | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | (i can set it's width to 0px though in prefs) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | It won't let you kill it :p | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | It wants to live :p | 19:10 |
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| Italodance | hi qwerty12 | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | hello Italodance | 19:10 |
| jott | qwerty12: vim :p | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Nooooo | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | I only know "I" and ":wq" | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 19:11 |
| Proteous | kill -9 | 19:12 |
| jott | vimtutor :) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks | 19:12 |
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| Proteous | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 | 19:13 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | nuovoclear has one quirk | 19:20 |
| lcuk | kot, that tilt sensor - it was let down by the graphics | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: hmm? | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny: Any good at GIMPin (I'd say photoshop but this is Linux. as for me, I get out my gimp suit when I need it... :p :D) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | tearing | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: no, it's because in vertical mode | 19:22 |
| * lcuk noticed today that sdl has yuv overlay support. hope its hardware based | 19:22 | |
| KotCzarny | desktopmenu goes over statusbas | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | skeen - I see, | 19:23 |
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| KotCzarny | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2354838924_a80ebaa5a8.jpg | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | how's that theme named? | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | I think its one of default themes | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | Just different background | 19:24 |
| lcuk | thats a gr8 shot on the theme :D it really is fast and well positioned | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | but which one it is | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | grr | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny: The 1st guy to make a transparent theme in that thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152770&postcount=275 - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152621&postcount=266 | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | I'll check in a min. | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | 'echo' | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | found it :> | 19:26 |
| * qwerty12 cancels that :p | 19:26 | |
| qwerty12 | checking that is | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's great for rotating | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | is that theme actually borderless, or are the borders just he same shape? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | color* | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | probably same shape | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | and color | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it would be seen in vertical mode | 19:28 |
| lcuk | i bet my program blows chunks in vertical mode | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | blows? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | KABOOOOOOOOOOM! type explosions | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:29 |
| lcuk | can the dsp handle blitting? | 19:30 |
| * lcuk might employ it as a copro | 19:30 | |
| qwerty12 | Any one got a list of the "SDLK"'s for an N800, thanks | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | *SDLKEYS . Sorry. | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/include ? | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, I told you I was stupid :p | 19:33 |
| lcuk | http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDLKey | 19:33 |
| jott | there are no n8x0 specific sdl keys | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :) | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Anybody know what the SDL binding is for the Middle D-Pad button? Thanks. | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | 'enter' | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, yes, thanks ! | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | just run xev | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | and see that codes they generate | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | (including other hw buttons) | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks. I tried xev but I don't get the output. I will read up on it :) | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 19:46 |
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| KotCzarny | weird | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | but run it from ssh | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | or from xterm | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | I was in xterm :). I get output but me being developing n00b, I don't get it :) | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | I dont understand I mean :) | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, I was misleading. | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | then just press enter and look what 'keysym' it generates | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | and similiar for other keys | 19:47 |
| jott | look for state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES | 19:47 |
| jott | then you know F6 was pressed :) | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | Ah yes, I see now, thanks both! :) | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | it's a miracle! | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | rejoice everyone! | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | lol, w00t! :p | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Ok not really. I killed it. :p | 19:48 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: do you know how to,get Polish POI db for maemo-mapper? | 20:30 |
| AStorm | my GPS works quite well | 20:31 |
| AStorm | anyone else? | 20:32 |
| AStorm | btw, maemo-mapper could use some better map compression | 20:33 |
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| AStorm | hmm, everybody is partying or what? | 20:40 |
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| Gepsu | yeah | 20:42 |
| AStorm | :P | 20:43 |
| AStorm | so do I | 20:43 |
| inz | easter partgeeh, yeah! | 20:45 |
| inz | -g | 20:45 |
| AStorm | hmm, could someone point me to N810 kismet build too? | 20:48 |
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| AStorm | or similar? | 20:49 |
| AStorm | N810 could be a wardriver's dream | 20:49 |
| Veggen | think I saw some kismet package somewhere. | 20:52 |
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| GNUro | yeah i've got kismet on my n810. | 20:53 |
| AStorm | link? | 20:56 |
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| AStorm | hmm? | 21:02 |
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| AStorm | argh, got my hopes up | 21:13 |
| AStorm | and still no link! | 21:13 |
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| skibur | anybody using other than os2008 on their tablet? | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | probably 770 users | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | It's all about 2008 now :p | 21:26 |
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| skibur | o ok | 21:27 |
| skibur | I see | 21:27 |
| AStorm | OS2008 is the fresh one | 21:28 |
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| AStorm | ... need kismet ... (in that "Braaainz" zombie voice) | 21:32 |
| skibur | need metasploit? | 21:33 |
| AStorm | kiiiismeeet | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Metasploit is slow on n800 :( | 21:34 |
| AStorm | for n810... | 21:34 |
| skibur | can't get it to work on mine | 21:34 |
| skibur | something about not loading REX | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | 810 and 800 have same hw | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | skibur: It uses a massive amount of space though and it's really slow | 21:35 |
| skibur | I guess I will just have to take my laptop to work | 21:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: but not sw | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | sw too | 21:35 |
| AStorm | nope | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | aside from rootfs/initfs issues of course | 21:36 |
| AStorm | bora != chinook | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | bora is os2007 | 21:36 |
| AStorm | yep | 21:36 |
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| skibur | Qwerty: do you have it currently installed? | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | n800 is os2008 too | 21:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Not any more. | 21:37 |
| AStorm | need cron too | 21:37 |
| AStorm | lol | 21:37 |
| Veggen | side note: what's keeping people from using maemo extras repository instead of their own? | 21:37 |
| skibur | as a pentester, I think I shall stick to Lappy | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brb | 21:38 |
| AStorm | veggan: stuff has to go through testing repo | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | skibur: http://mfresh-n800.blogspot.com/2007/07/installing-metasploit-framework-3-on.html | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Astorm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12572 | 21:41 |
| skibur | checking.... | 21:41 |
| AStorm | bora! | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've used those personally, successfuly on os2008 | 21:41 |
| AStorm | ah, for cron, thx | 21:42 |
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| Veggen | AStorm: but why isn't things in testing repo, then? :) | 21:43 |
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| AStorm | veggan: people are lazy | 21:44 |
| AStorm | thus stuff from maemo.org isn't all there, even | 21:44 |
| koyote | pupnik: what environment am I looking for here to get angband working? I need to install some deps that aren't showing up in application manager | 21:44 |
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| skibur | thanks for the guide qwerty. Deal breaker question. Speed.... is it worth having it on the n800? | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's very slow loading menus but if you are v.patient it comes up | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | For me. I removed it. Too much space and slow speed | 21:51 |
| skibur | thanks for your comment | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Np :) | 21:52 |
| skibur | :) | 21:52 |
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| solmumaha | koyote: did you check gronmayer for those dependencies? | 21:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm missing hildon-libs0 when installing angband. Hmm, I wouldn't try to find that... | 22:00 |
| solmumaha | ah, gtk gui then? | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think so. I will just dpkg it with ignore deps and edit status file and hope for the best :p | 22:01 |
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| solmumaha | qwerty12_N800: you lack marketing skills | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You saw my thread then? :P | 22:03 |
| solmumaha | yes | 22:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm 15 and living in East London where it's all about grime, rnb & postcodes... My attitude is influenced :p | 22:05 |
| Tama^2 | postcodes? O.o | 22:05 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 22:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yep, E6 gonna merk e7... :P | 22:06 |
| koyote | solmumaha: ?? | 22:07 |
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| koyote | I'm a bit new on this. | 22:07 |
| solmumaha | koyote: http://gronmayer.com/it familiar? | 22:07 |
| solmumaha | if not, get acquainted | 22:08 |
| koyote | been doing this for 24 hoursa | 22:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Woot, angband works on os2008! | 22:09 |
| solmumaha | koyote: how has it been so far? | 22:10 |
| koyote | great, really | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Desktop file is broken and from terminal it works but minimising is broken & screen size is odd. | 22:11 |
| koyote | flashed os2008 last night, enabled extended applications, messed around, dia bunch of web browsing | 22:12 |
| koyote | trying to deice if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media | 22:12 |
| koyote | s/deice/decide/g | 22:12 |
| infobot | koyote meant: trying to decide if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media | 22:12 |
| solmumaha | koyote: what os you have on desktop? | 22:13 |
| koyote | eeexubuntu 7.10 rc3 | 22:13 |
| koyote | xubuntu 7.10, with asus eee pc hacks | 22:14 |
| solmumaha | try mediaserv then | 22:14 |
| koyote | (and, yeah, that IS my main computer) | 22:14 |
| koyote | mediaserv for? | 22:14 |
| solmumaha | watching videos | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It transcodes on the fly | 22:14 |
| solmumaha | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html | 22:14 |
| koyote | cool | 22:15 |
| koyote | I'm mostly concerned with getting stuff onto sd cards for travel and such. | 22:15 |
| solmumaha | well you can use that for it too | 22:15 |
| solmumaha | just save it to your memory card | 22:16 |
| koyote | I need to get more of those, too. after the keyboard | 22:17 |
| solmumaha | mediatomb has transcoding nowadays too, but i never managed to get it working with the media player | 22:17 |
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| koyote | 2008 doesn't have the same offline mode switch | 22:22 |
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| koyote | which of the 48 or so repos are important, or broken? | 22:23 |
| solmumaha | well you can start by adding what you need | 22:24 |
| solmumaha | using search | 22:25 |
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| LoCusF | is there a guide in the wiki for formatting the internal card as ext2 on n810? | 22:32 |
| LoCusF | or anywhere else? | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | why not simply boot off mmc? | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Check 1 of the many cloning threads. | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | and keep internal as a rescue-os | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | stylus should include a hole for a leash | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | *grin* | 22:35 |
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| koyote | interesting idea. if it's stable, i might run off the 4gb card i put internally | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i plan moving to sd too | 22:36 |
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| solmumaha | LoCusF: apt-get install e2fsprogs? | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | solmumaha: but he shouldn't use mke2fs on rootfs | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | i whink cloning fs to mmc first is a must then | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | or boot off usb | 22:40 |
| solmumaha | ah, ok | 22:40 |
| solmumaha | glad i don't have n810 ;) | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You also need to insert ext2 modules if you format with ext2. | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i always assumed you had n810 :d | 22:41 |
| solmumaha | nope, couldn't justify buying it | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Same here, i thought n800 was more worth it for me. | 22:42 |
| solmumaha | well i bought n800 when it came out | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not me :p | 22:43 |
| koyote | i traded an old ipod for a 3 week old 800 yesterday. | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | £300 more for a gps & keyboard wasnt a viable option for me. | 22:43 |
| koyote | which was what i was looking for, anyway. the thumboard is cool, but I *know* i'm going to end up with a folding bt keyboard anyhow | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | wow | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | koyote, how old was the ipod? | 22:44 |
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| koyote | 9 months. old gen 30gb video, plus $30, for the n800 | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 22:46 |
| koyote | fair enough for me. I've got plenty of sd cards around, and the screen on the 800 is nicer. | 22:46 |
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| KotCzarny | 801? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | upgrade? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Nope, I got disconnected and reconnected and pidgin or nickseerv has bumped up my number by 1 :p | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | if bumping hw revision was that easy | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Lol | 22:51 |
| Navi | alp, you around? | 22:53 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | Does anyone know of a irssi package for maemo? Gronmayer isn't loading for me. | 23:13 |
| AStorm | qwerty. google, use it | 23:15 |
| doc|home | I tried one I found somewhere, it sefaulted or soemthing | 23:16 |
| AStorm | maemo.org? | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Astorm: I could have said the same thing about cron ;p but point taken. | 23:16 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N801 | :) | 23:17 |
| AStorm | checking... | 23:18 |
| AStorm | i need a working cron too | 23:18 |
| AStorm | that one is junk | 23:19 |
| AStorm | for bora | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Bora cli binaries usually work in chinook. Theres another one too, let me check. | 23:19 |
| AStorm | alternatively, something to sync time | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N801 | check www.nitapps.com | 23:20 |
| AStorm | gronmayer is down | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N801 | you've reminded me actually to upd8 time lol | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N801 | I wanna try irssi on n800 but it's gonna suck w/out a bt kbd. :( | 23:21 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | Here's another cron http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/ | 23:23 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Hello | 23:32 |
| Andy80 | a quick question if someone uses the youtube plugin for canola2: where do the videos are saved? I'm using N810 | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Brb, bout to try irssi. | 23:34 |
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| Navi | Andy80, in the .canola folder | 23:38 |
| Andy80 | just found.. really too bad :( | 23:38 |
| Andy80 | it should save them on internal mini sd | 23:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Irssi sux. Pissin seg faults :@ | 23:40 |
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| koyote | angband is a bit,,, well. not sure yet | 23:40 |
| koyote | good interface methods | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | koyote: xkbd | 23:41 |
| solmumaha | Andy80: you could symlink it unless you find it bad in general :) | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Did you get it working? :) | 23:41 |
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| Andy80 | the problem is that main memory is only 256 wile the internal sd is 2 gb | 23:42 |
| Andy80 | it's very strange not to use the sd! | 23:42 |
| solmumaha | sounds like a design flaw yes | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm glad it was, not to sound callous but n800 compatibility would have a bit less | 23:44 |
| Andy80 | maybe it was tested only on a n800, usually these people have an external mmc too | 23:44 |
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| koyote | xkbd, oi. i guess so. | 23:59 |
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