IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-03-23

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lcuk_2where do i find info about mp3task - if its maemo specific theres certainly nothing about it (results page on google comes up with 3 entires to irc room)00:02
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KotCzarnylcuk: in gst sources?00:02
KotCzarnyor mplayer?00:02
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lcuk_2hmm not sure - but even the dummy isnt working now - its been optimised out of existance i think00:04
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lcuk_2recompiled without opts and its faster (but really its slower)00:05
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KotCzarny12. Wzrasta popyt na rowery.00:17
KotCzarnynie mam nic przeciwko00:18
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qwerty12_N801I dont speak Polska :p00:18
KotCzarnywrong chan00:18
KotCzarnyand it should be 'Polish'00:18
qwerty12_N801My bad, sorry :)00:19
Tama^2I do not dance PolkaU,u00:19
qwerty12_N801What does cal-tool do exactly? Is it like flasher-3.0, letting you set device parameters?00:20
Tama^2KotCzarny: I take it you are Polish then... how come you behave like the spelling police? :P00:20
KotCzarnyisn't it for screen calibration00:20
qwerty12_N801No its in initfs and fanoush uses it in initfs script00:21
KotCzarnytama: that's because if i track my errors, i can encourage others to point those errors that i miss00:21
KotCzarnyie. i will learn english00:21
qwerty12_N801I thought u were from Czech Republic because of Cz lol00:22
Tama^2translated you mean: I will be a pedantic bastard thus provoking others into rabidly pointing out my own mistakes00:22
KotCzarnytama: correct00:22
KotCzarnyhow can i learn if i don't correct my own errors?00:23
unixSnobany1 here from indiana?  What a crock.. Indiana adds a tax penalty to taxpayers who owe on their taxes.  Bastards.  A penalty for being penalized00:24
qwerty12_N801I need to fix my device lines. According to about, I have a n800 but <unknown> & <unknown>. I'm in the mood to mess around with my tablet.00:24
KotCzarnyqwerty: reflash00:25
qwerty12_N801I don't want to :(00:25
KotCzarnyjust kidding00:25
qwerty12_N801Lol, I have it set up the way I like, applications, kernel & initfs :)00:26
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qwerty12_N801Backup prog is useless at restoring appplication Lists00:26
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qwerty12_N800Signal is weak in my room.00:29
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qwerty12_N800I figured out how  to run cal-tool . Pointless:/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool00:39
qwerty12_N800Nothing to do!00:39
qwerty12_N800Usage: cal-tool [OPTIONS]00:39
qwerty12_N800  --get-rd-mode, -d             Get R&D mode status00:39
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qwerty12_N800  --get-rd-flags, -f            Get R&D mode flags00:39
qwerty12_N800  --get-root-device, -r         Get root device option00:40
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qwerty12_N800  --set-root-device, -R <arg>   Set root device option00:40
qwerty12_N800  --get-usb-host-mode, -u       Get USB host mode flag00:40
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qwerty12_N800I'm gonna mess around with flasher-30.. Does kernel affect the about screen too?00:41
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qwerty12_N800Good night, need some zzzzzz's....01:06
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lcuk_2kot - ive added a turbo option which sets the governor :) it can be disabled if required01:17
lcuk_2until i speak to ppl regarding its use it gives simplest solution01:17
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lcuk_2KotCzarny, well - it works with ssh because im root, but normal user running from the console isnt root01:31
lcuk_2governor is ro for user01:32
KotCzarnybut one can create suid app that could switch them01:32
lcuk_2its enough anyway- others will help - its an option now at least01:32
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pupnik< bilboed> multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch  <<- sure?  that would mean those emulators with onscreen controls would be pretty useless01:36
bilboedpupnik, with two fingers you can EASILY emulate multitouch01:38
bilboedpupnik, it create a rectangle area01:38
GeneralAntillesOn what?01:38
KotCzarnybilboed: are you sure?01:38
bilboedon i-oh-my-god-do-I-hate-it-phone01:38
bilboedKotCzarny, positive01:38
KotCzarnybut not on n8x0 screen, i believe01:38
bilboeddifferent technology01:39
pupnikhmm.  i guess you could do it - nevermind01:39
Tama^2I am confused01:39
GeneralAntillesSo am I, Tama^2.01:39
bilboedok, the software receives a rectangular area01:39
bilboedguess where the two fingers are ? in two of the corners of that rectangle01:39
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pupnikwith some button layouts, some combinations of buttons would yield identical rectangles01:40
KotCzarnybilboed: but how can you tell WHICH corners?01:40
bilboedbecause unless you're a robot, you'll never press the two corners at the same time01:40
Tama^2bilboed: your idea is too simplistic i.e. it does not work01:40
bilboedTama^2, hey dude, don't trust me, google for it01:40
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kwanI get the following error when i compile gstreamer using maemo sdk and copy over the libraries01:42
kwangst-inspect-0.10[3079]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min01:42
kwanLots of these pring out when I run gst-inspect01:42
kwanany ideas why?01:43
bilboedyou need a debugging-enabled version of gstreamer01:43
bilboedthe default version on the devices have debugging disabled01:43
KotCzarnymismatched packages?01:43
kwani see, so can i compile debuggin disabled then?01:43
kwani will try debugging disabled and see01:45
bilboedconfigure will pick it up from the gstreamer pkgconfig01:45
bilboedyou most likely have the debugging version pkgconfig01:45
bilboedOR you can install the debugging version of gstreamer on the device01:46
kwani copied /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gst* from maemo sdk (scratchbox) to the device01:46
bilboedit uses it at COMPILE time01:46
bilboednot at runtime01:46
bilboedyou need to recompile against a debugging-disabled version of gstreamer01:46
kwanso when i compile gstreamer i do ./configure -disable-debug or something?01:47
bilboedbut... I thought scratchbox had a properly configured gstreamer for that (with the same compile flags as on the device)01:48
kwani got the latest gstreamer source and recompiled it01:48
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kpelhi all03:16
pupnik_mmm NeXT03:17
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Tama^2NeXT what? :)03:18
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Tama^2ih ih03:19
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* lcuk_2 builds playtest403:29
kpelcould you please03:29
kpelcould you please tell me if i can upgrade my development environment to include chinook support?03:29
kpelcurrently i have x86 and armel targets03:30
lcuk_2there is an sdk somewhere for chinook - i dunno where though because i use the already self contained vmware image version03:32
* koyote just got an n800 (trade for an ipod, if I was paying cash i would have got a 810.) that's 3 weeks old.03:33
koyoteI think after i cook dinner for wife and kids I am heading to a cafe and flashing it, then seeing what I need to add. (aside from buying a bt keyboard)03:33
KotCzarnywhat will you need it for?03:34
lcuk_2can you install software in internet cafe?03:35
KotCzarnymaybe it has a hotspot03:35
lcuk_2good point03:36
koyotefree wireless most places in town.03:37
koyoteI've survived extended periods using various pdas as laptops, this looks like it will actually be enjoyable if I get a fold up keyboard03:37
koyoteI also have an e61, so I may get a keyboard that has symbian drivers.03:38
KotCzarnyigo ultra-slim is nice03:38
koyoteI have an eee as a desktop03:38
KotCzarnybut get the one with numbers row03:38
VeggenI've been n810-only in easter.03:39
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lcuk_2veggen - not a problem, unless of course you are lost and are waiting for gps to kick in03:39
Veggengetting used to it, but not something I'd be satisfied with for programming etc :)03:40
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lcuk_2kot, did you try running the book on performance - ie have you seen it at fullspeed?03:40
KotCzarnybut n800 and n810 are identical03:40
KotCzarny(hw/sw wise)03:41
lcuk_2earlier when we were talking governors - if you switch your mode to performance it kicks it into fullspeed... try it on that and see the difference.03:41
lcuk_2anyway, what i keep thinking when im scrolling around is this would be really nice for coding in03:41
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lcuk_2i cant just sudo from default console can i - theres no password available to enter03:43
koyotelcuk_2: I haven't clocked up. haven't needed to.03:43
lcuk_2but you dont see it at 25fps03:43
koyoteI do most stuff in emacs, which is a lot lighter weight than the modern office/ide alternatives03:43
lcuk_2ahhh sorry - koyote, i wasnt talking to you - i say the k and skipped the rest03:44
lcuk_2was intended for kot03:44
koyoteoh. k :)03:44
koyoteI guess I should ask now, anything I need to be especially aware of? all I'm doing is upgrading firmware via linux (following directions), and then installing software.03:45
lcuk_2what firmware does it currently have? is it still os2007 or has it already gone up to 200803:45
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KotCzarnygo 200803:48
KotCzarnyit's worth it03:48
koyotethat's my goal03:48
koyoteright now I have a 4gb sdhc internal and a 2gb sd in the outside slot.03:49
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kpelactually apps that were available for  os2007 are not for os2008. load-applet and unzip come to mind.03:52
KotCzarnyzip is available03:52
lcuk_2load-applet is available03:52
lcuk_2i can see it now on mine03:52
KotCzarnyalso there's various archivers gui03:52
KotCzarnythough i don't remember the name03:52
KotCzarnybut supports tar/gz/bz2/zip afair03:53
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kpeli can se them in the llist but always get 'file not found' if i try installing them03:53
KotCzarnydo you use firefox or app-manager?03:54
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KotCzarnyold/bad repos?03:55
lcuk_2clean your repos and start again - it gets confused03:56
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kpelif i go to and search for unzip i get a brroken link.03:59
KotCzarnyi have learned that has many 'error 500' links04:00
KotCzarnybut packages are present in repository anyway04:00
KotCzarnyif you want to browse them by hand use:
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Species8472I have a question04:02
KotCzarnyunzip is there for example04:02
kpeldoesn't sound that good.  i would expect better value for money04:02
KotCzarnykpel: it's working04:02
KotCzarnyyou probably have some repos broken04:02
KotCzarnyin app-managed04:02
Species8472who is willing to help me?04:02
lcuk_2Species8472, no1 is going to offer to help if they dont know what the problem is - you must get our interest by letting us know what the problem is04:03
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lcuk_2THEN we can ignore you :)04:03
Species8472will you help then lcuk_2?04:03
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lcuk_2no - i will not put myself in a position i cannot back out of04:04
KotCzarnysame here04:04
lcuk_2tell us what your problem is and let us try to be nice04:04
kpelKotCzarny: the url u gave works. the app-manager doesn't (and the user has to do its job instead). but thanks in any case :)04:05
Proteousno no no, you have to agree to help first!04:05
KotCzarnykpel: it works for me (ie. app-manager)04:05
Proteousand you need to sign theses NDAs04:06
KotCzarnydo as lcuk suggested and clean your repos04:06
lcuk_2ok Proteous, get them posted to me and the contact I need to speak to regarding my billable hours (at standard rate)04:07
kpelKotCzarny: i don't doubt it. but i would expect much more from such an expensive toy hence my comment about value for money.04:08
KotCzarnykpel: i believe you can reflash it in <1min04:08
lcuk_2did you buy it new? if so the default repos should be set and you shouldnt have this problem04:08
KotCzarnyyou can BREAK any toy04:09
lcuk_2i had exactly 1 problem when i got mine: bandwidth - nokia were saturated.  after it quietened down i was able to get all the software i wanted04:09
kpellcdd: yes new. but it had os2007 on04:09
lcuk_2have you been into the app manager and altered the repos?04:10
lcuk_2(cos if not then my stance changes :) )04:10
kpelKotCzarny: true. but, in my view, a reflash shouldn't be used to fix such problems.04:11
pupnik  music made only with the Apple ][...04:11
KotCzarnykpel: but if you messed things up04:11
KotCzarnyyou can't put a blame on developers04:12
lcuk_2i remember hearing daisy daisy sung from a computer from the 60s :P04:12
kpelhaven't changed a thing04:12
lcuk_2its a haunting rendition04:12
KotCzarnykpel: i don't believe you :>04:12
lcuk_2oooer then kpel :P04:12
lcuk_2twhich country are you in ?04:12
KotCzarnycheck if you have extras enabled04:12
lcuk_2pupnik, that sounds ... strange ... at best04:13
kpelwas enjoying my nice point'n'click package management and one day i couldn't apply upgrades... oh well04:13
KotCzarnyhave you checked the log?04:14
pupnikcleans out yer ear-wax don't it lcuk_204:14
kpelyep. file not found. same msg  always04:14
lcuk_2thats one way to look at it :D04:14
KotCzarnywhat file?04:14
lcuk_2it wont say04:14
lcuk_2its the gui04:14
turbopupnik: see?  that's why the Beatles figured there was no real issue with Apple & music, way back then...  ;)04:14
lcuk_2but it might do ;)04:15
kpelKotCzarny: can't tell. 1 minute ago i delete my chinook repos and now unzip is not in the list.  never mind, i'll have to reflash it i guess04:18
KotCzarnyunzip is in extras04:18
kpelwhat irks me is that04:18
kpelback in the os2007  days there was a tonne of software  and no broken links. and now...04:19
kpelok, will look in extras. tjanks04:20
lcuk_2there is a discussion about the fragmentation of repos04:20
lcuk_2did you come onboard 2007 near the end of its cycle?04:20
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kpellcuk_2: yes :( Sep 200704:22
kpelmaybe early october04:23
lcuk_2the dust will settle with 2008 as well - lots of new apps are coming out and people are hosting them themselves and so theres a load of repos out there instead of the apps being pushed into maemo stable04:24
lcuk_2no matter what nokia do with the devices they will continue to live - your choice of device proves it - and it will grow04:25
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kpelmeanwhile, the extras url pasted above doesn't seem to have unzip. but i'm not going to need  it so it's ok ;)04:26
Firebirdhi, how would i execute a command on boot?04:26
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lcuk_2didnt think you would post crap04:27
lcuk_2pupnik, would you like a playtest?04:27
kpellcdd: i'm not sure about my choice really. especially now  that an sdk for the iphone is  out there. we'll see.04:28
pupnikyes i would like to try it04:28
lcuk_2iphone apps?   1 at a time, no networking, no music, apple get to choose - its shiney, but its not fun04:28
lcuk_2i think i saw your address on your site gimme a min ill mail you04:29
kpelKotCzarny: this is what i saw in 'u':04:30
kpelparent dir, ukmp04:30
kpeland index.html04:31
KotCzarnykpel: are you sure you copy pasted my link EXACTLY ?04:31
* pupnik is hungry for some copypasta04:31
kpelKotCzarny: no. i clicked  on it. could it be a permission thing? the direct url to the unziip dir doesn't work.04:33
KotCzarnykpel: that's strange04:34
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kpeli wish i could paste in this xchat thing. brb, i'm going to usee my pc04:35
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kpellet's see now04:36
kpelKotCzarny: works like a charm from my xubuntu pc04:37
kpelthat's it, i'm flashing the bloody thing :)04:37
kpeli really don't understand why with N800 i get this "Sorry, I can't find that file" message. It sort of shakes me belief to rational thinking :)04:38
balrog-kunrational thinking is overrated anyway04:39
KotCzarnyi still prefer it to emotional 'thinking'04:40
kpeloh yeah04:40
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kwanhi, i have compiled the latest gstreamer with plugins on maemo 4.1 scratchbox and copied it over onto n810.  I get the following error when I run gst-inspect : gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ undefined symbol: gst_video_format_get_row_stride04:45
kwangst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ undefined symbol: gst_type_register_static_full04:45
kwanmany lines of gst_type_register_static_full prints out for different plugins04:45
kwanhow do I go about resolving this?  any ideas?04:45
KotCzarnymismatched packages?04:47
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kwancould you elaborate on mismatched packages?04:52
kwanmismatched packages that are preinstalled on the device or mismatch between the gstreamer sources that i recompiled04:52
pupnikcool lcuk_2 :)04:54
pupniki lurv it04:54
lcuk_2now i just have to suss out how to run it at fullspeed without needing to alter entire config - kots has the only possible avenue so far which doesnt involve me simply adding dummy code into the blit04:56
lcuk_2(did you see the color test btw?)04:57
jotthey lcuk_2 can i see your demo/preview too?04:58
lcuk_2of course, pm me your address04:58
* lcuk_2 will get an uploadable version somewhere soon enough04:59
pupniksometimes the colorcube movement slows down04:59
lcuk_2are you using -turbo as a root?04:59
pupnikah no04:59
lcuk_2it slows down because the damned cpu thinks its not busy and can slow down04:59
lcuk_2default slowdown appears to be down to 10fps - fullspeed -turbo is 26/27 fps05:00
jotthm really stupid.. there has to be a way to stop this without too ugly hacks05:00
pupniknormally when reading ebooks i'd prefer to conserve battery05:03
KotCzarnythat's why lcuk shouldn't focus on fps too much05:03
lcuk_2but i do not have a busy wait05:03
lcuk_2i am ONLY rendering a frame on mousemove05:03
KotCzarnywhy not on mousedown?05:04
lcuk_2the only routine which makes it render fulltime is the colorcube one05:04
pupnikseems quite fast without turbo - fps while scrolling is ~2505:04
KotCzarnyand use upper part/lower part of the screen as buttons05:04
lcuk_2you know what i mean (and besides in raw mode i dont get mousedown/up05:04
lcuk_2i get move event with a pressure - when pressure = 0 then its a mouseup05:04
lcuk_2scrolling = stroking the mouse - it works some of the time pup05:05
lcuk_2but it was not reproducable - i just need to make it actually draw each frame as required as fast  as possible05:05
lcuk_2besides - its made me think i want to actually use the screen as a text editor05:06
lcuk_2jott, i am not registered ill just mail it05:08
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jotthehe registering on freenode is really not a big deal .. /msg nickserv register password    and you are done :)05:09
lcuk_2just directly in here? i dont have to visit anywhere else?05:10
jottlcuk_2: thanks :)05:10
jottjust replace password with something better :p05:11
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koyoteokay, then05:11
koyoteyay for internet cafe05:11
lcukbut is this registering the computer or the nick05:11
jottthe nick05:11
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GeneralAntillesThen /nick to 2 and 3 and register those05:12
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GeneralAntillesLink 'em05:12
jottyeah that's extra spice :)05:12
koyoteso what's the best place to get a howto for flashing 2008 onto the n800 via a linux box?05:12
kpelkoos__: perfect timing05:13
lcukdont i need an email addy?05:13
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kpeli'm downloading the latest 0s2008 image myself. it seems i was using 50-2 while the latest is 51-3.05:14
GeneralAntillesDo you have problems turning your device on?05:14
kpelkoyote: you might need to hit reload a few times. the server is really slow.05:14
jottlcuk: just if you want to recover your password05:14
GeneralAntillesNo, lcuk.05:14
koyotestatic or not? xubuntu 7.1005:15
GeneralAntilleskpel, 51-3 is only a bootloader update. So unless you're having trouble turning your device on, don't bother with it.05:15
kpeli have trouble with the sanity of the browser and the app manager. if this continues i'm going to have trouble with my sanity as well :)05:15
GeneralAntillesWhat sort of sanity?05:15
kpelGeneralAntilles: for some reason both the browser and the app manager don't see certain files05:16
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kpelGeneralAntilles: in this url for example: my n800 sees only until ukmp. unzip and usbcontrol are not there05:16
GeneralAntillesDid you screw with about:config?05:17
kpeland if i try a direct link to the unzip dir i get a message saying "sorry, i cannot find that file"05:17
kpelGeneralAntilles: nop. point'n'click all the way05:17
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jottlcuk2: hm looks nice for a start.. it would be good if you could scroll by just touching the lower right corner or a few bottom lines05:19
KotCzarnyjott: my words, my words.. ;)05:19
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you may also want to talk to a staffer about getting a hostmask cloak.05:19
lcukit feels like i am joining a gang :S05:20
lcukjott - autoscroll will return - not yet sure about the right interface05:20
jottlcuk: pressure sensitive speed? :)05:21
lcukim wary of intiially using too much touch without identification of what areas do05:21
lcukno because you use different pressure with finger as with stylus05:21
jottstylus = evil05:21
KotCzarnylcuk, start with simple touch/no touch05:21
lcuki had speed proportional to distance from left (left = 1/2 speed, right = 4x speed) it was great05:22
KotCzarnyand incremental speed scrolling05:22
lcuki also had hot zones for next/previous05:22
lcukbut i need some indicator on screen (I did dark grey rectangles under the text)05:22
lcukbut it was a bit distracting - maybe i only show them when you are thumbing it05:23
KotCzarnydon't overcomplicate05:23
KotCzarnyimagine what would be intuitive05:23
lcukit lets you know what you are doing - one of my problems with fbreader was a tap on the screen moved me blocks of pages down05:23
lcukaccidental tap05:23
KotCzarnythen just start with scroll by line05:24
lcuki wouldnt want the same now05:24
KotCzarnyand then accelerate05:24
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KotCzarnythat will give user time to correct05:24
KotCzarnyand not to loose context05:24
lcuki will put autoscrolling back in - its really easy05:24
lcuki need to also look in mplayer for the blackout avoidance code :)05:25
jottyeah i think autoscrolling would be good and if you flip the finger kinetic scrolling would be nice05:25
KotCzarnyand remember to make them configurable05:25
lcukkinetic is easy as well - and when on -turbo it is smooth as anything :)05:26
lcuki could almost picture myself writing the full interface in it05:27
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lcukthe biggest problem with kinetic is that your finger doesnt really do it...  its like sliding your finger along the carpet - its not smooth05:29
KotCzarnyoil it05:30
KotCzarnyor wear some teflon gloves05:30
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koyotedownload, little file.05:32
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you need a screen protector. :P05:33
koyoteoh, i should get one of those.05:33
GeneralAntillesBoxwave anti-glare.05:34
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koyoteman, first time flashing a new device is always nervous making05:39
KotCzarnyno problem05:39
KotCzarnyit's 99.9% safe05:39
GeneralAntillesEh, I've flashed somewhere near 4 dozen times.05:40
GeneralAntillesThere's really not much that can go wrong.05:40
koyoteunlike the old days with the first linux-on palm stuff05:40
GeneralAntillesJust don't pull out the USB cable.05:40
koyoteor the very very first zaurus clamshell alternates05:40
koyotedone, eh.05:41
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lcuknite all :) thx05:47
koyoteokay, now i need... a 24 hour clock setting (grrrr) and to find software. here we go05:47
KotCzarnyforget desktop clock05:48
KotCzarnyget statusbar-clock05:48
KotCzarnynite lcuk05:48
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derfkoyote: If you ever do figure out how to enable a 24-hour clock, let me know.05:53
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derfThe Europeans get one, but not us.05:53
pupnik  gotta love designers sharing their stuff with the world05:54
koyoteso it should be a different version of the cclock applet?05:55
derfThat's what I've been told.05:55
GeneralAntillespupnik, what's the Pandora gonna run, anyway?05:55
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derfI suspect it's really got some regional settings somewhere that are not exposed in a GUI, but I haven't tracked them down.05:56
koyotewell, I05:56
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koyoteI'd expect either to have a different flash download, or that it's a setting soemwhere.05:56
GeneralAntillesBeen interesting to get ITOS running on it.05:56
koyoteswitching to uk englush doesn't fix it05:56
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pupnikGeneralAntilles: a basic program loader and probably debian armel later on05:57
pupnikthey don't want OS getting in the way of the emus05:58
GeneralAntillesI see.05:58
kpelany idea how to upgrade my os2007 devel environment to os2008?05:58
jottpupnik: what about opengl?05:58
jott(or better opengl es)05:58
kpeldo i need to rip everything out?05:58
GeneralAntillesPowerVR SGX, jott.05:58
jotthaving complaint hardware means a sh**05:59
pupnikjott: will definitely have it - not sure how it'll be exposed05:59
koyotederf: got it05:59
jottpupnik: will you get a dev board?05:59
koyotei set my home city to LA (i am in california) my language to english, and my regional settings to deutschland06:00
pupnikhaha no06:00
koyotereboot and bingo.06:00
* jott still doubts it will get opengl es drivers :P06:00
koyote24 hour clock, sane display06:00
* koyote is suddenly a lot more comfortable.06:01
pupniki've read that the PowerVR SGX530 supports full opengl 2.006:02
GeneralAntillesWhy wouldn't it, jott?06:02
KotCzarnywith pixel shader?06:02
jottbecause it's linux :)06:02
pupnikyes with shaders06:02
koyoteman, i need that usb keyboard06:03
derfkoyote: How's your decimal separator?06:03
koyotelemme check. i use both types so often i don't even notice. one moment06:04
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koyotedecimal is ,06:04
derfYeah, that's no good.06:05
koyotethere's probably a region that fixes that for you06:05
koyotehang on06:05
koyoteeh, that'll take some rebooting to determine.06:07
koyotebut now i suspect there's a file whee i can find it06:07
koyoteonce i figure out how to download a terminal06:07
* koyote blinks at the version06:08
derfOS 2008 comes with an xterm.06:08
koyoteyes it does. cool06:08
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koyotegrrr. no emacs06:12
kpelkoyote: the xterm that comes with os2008 is quite ok. just don't use the exit command. click the x button instead at the window corner.06:12
GeneralAntilleskoyote, what, you expect it to come bundled?06:12
GeneralAntilles20MB is an insane amount of space for something 95% of the users will never use.06:13
monkeyiq...but having a sane apt-get install emacs available for those other 5% :)06:14
GeneralAntillesIt's gotta be ported, package, and uploaded to Extras.06:14
koyotei haven't gotten to the download software part of this yet.06:14
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koyotenor the sshd part. so i can hack until i get a bt keyboard set up06:15
GeneralAntillesEnable Extras and install OpenSSH06:15
GeneralAntillesSave yourself the pain and suffering. :P06:15
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koyoteenable extras...06:16
koyotegot it06:20
pupnikgotta love Japan... "Killer Steam-Powered Robots from Dimension X is a simple arcade game."06:22
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koyoteinstalling... defaults to internal memory, i am sure, but can you set it up to install to the internal sd card?06:24
GeneralAntillesIf you extend the rootfs there.06:25
GeneralAntillesBut by default, no.06:25
koyotefly that falcon if the egg hatches06:26
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koyoteum. i have no user account settings. that would make ssh odd. how cute06:28
koyoteuser user. i love it.06:29
pupnik  i'd love this if we had opengl06:30
Gracklepupnik, every played this one?
pupnikkewl - no not yet06:31
GrackleIt's quite fun.06:31
pupniktheres also a tempest2000 clone called 'typhoon' that's beautiful06:31
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pupnikwant to help port cool games? :)06:35
GeneralAntilleskoyote, it's not really a multi-user system.06:35
kpelis it ok if i uninstall the map application? i'd rather use maemo-mapper06:35
koyoteit's fine.06:36
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koyotei now need to find what i need to change the regional settings.06:36
kpelkoyote: how did you get the 24hr clock?06:36
koyotekpel: the cheap way. set it to the germany region.06:38
kpelaha! thanks06:38
koyotebut that messes with your decimal and date displays06:38
kpelah, i think i'll pass then :)06:39
koyote*I* am fine with it, i've been using . and , interchangeably as decimal separators for years due to working with european militaries06:39
koyoteso, since others are not fine with it, i am going to find the files and edit one up to post06:39
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kpelgood stuff06:42
kpeltime to go. goodmorning guys06:42
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koyoteokay, gotta run back home. cafe wants to close06:44
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Grackle_Bad RAM. Weh.06:59
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Grackle_So is there hardware with code/drivers to do 3D accelerated graphics on any of the internet tablets?07:01
KotCzarnybut unreachable by most of us07:01
GeneralAntillesThere's hardware07:03
GeneralAntillesno drivers.07:03
Grackle_Oh, that's sad. Why are there no drivers?07:04
GeneralAntillesA variety of reasons.07:05
KotCzarnygrackle: only nokia can tell07:05
GeneralAntillesSome hardware, some managerial stemming from hardware.07:05
KotCzarnyeverything else is just rumour starting07:06
pupnikheh GeneralAntilles they estimate battery life on the pandora around 100 hours playing mp3s07:06
GeneralAntillesHow big is the battery?07:06
Grackle_Man, what a waste. That's unfortunate.07:06
T0b07rasThou dost need'em not07:06
GeneralAntillesMeh, performance wouldn't be as good as you think even if we did have drivers.07:06
T0b07rasWhy, CPU?07:07
KotCzarnystill. free cycles.07:08
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GeneralAntillesMostly the LCD controller.07:11
pupnik"Why do people want color displays?  These IBM Pc's aren't video-game machines!" - IBM exec, 198107:12
KotCzarnyyou won't play much on xt07:13
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jsnhow do you view windows shared files from a n810 connected to the network via a router?07:17
KotCzarnyis that a trick question?07:18
jsnlol no07:19
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Proteousstep 1: search for a n810 program that will let you connect to windows shares07:22
Proteousstep 2: install this program07:22
Proteousstep 3: profit07:22
KotCzarnyno no07:22
KotCzarnythat would be step 407:22
jsnlol i knew that much'07:22
KotCzarnyyou can NOT omit step 3.07:22
jsnit says that it's able to do it "out of the box", just wondering how07:22
Proteousstep 3: ???07:23
Proteousstep 4: profit07:23
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GeneralAntillesjsn, open up File manager.07:34
GeneralAntillesShould be there in the sidebar.07:34
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kwanDoes anybody know where libgstdspaudio libgstdsppcm libgstdspilbc etc sources come from?07:54
kwani can't seem to find it in normal gstreamer sources07:55
KotCzarnycan be closed07:55
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eharristrying to install maemo-mapper for os2006 using maemo garage repository, but it won't install because it's missing the libgpsmgr dependency.  Any idea where I can get that?08:05
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koyoteI really don't understand this09:11
koyotethese little bags of pork rinds have KOSHER salsa packets in them09:11
koyotekosher salsa? for pork?09:12
koyoteno angband?09:14
koyotenow, that's just wrong.09:14
KotCzarnyi believe pupnik compiled one09:14
KotCzarnyand look for yourself09:14
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KotCzarnyok, bed time, night night09:14
* koyote searches for the best flash player09:17
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JaffaMorning, all09:40
lirimorning jaffa09:41
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WormFoodwhat is going on with OS2008 not being able to connect to some WAPs? Mine was working just fine, then for no reason it stopped working.11:10
WormFoodnow it seems to connect to almost any WAP except mine11:11
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aquatixmorning all11:21
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WormFoodanyone want to buy a slightly used N800? I got it in January.12:02
WormFoodI'll trade it for a PSP or 2 or 3 batteries for my laptop12:03
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WormFoodit is 6pm here :P12:05
qwerty1210 AM here - GMT baby :p12:06
WormFoodI'm on chinese time ;)12:06
unique3116 am here in good ole nueva York12:06
unique311hey worm12:07
WormFoodhey unique12:07
tank-mann800 for a psp, good deal :)12:08
WormFoodno kidding12:08
unique311I was going to do a digging joke12:08
qwerty12I actually have both :p :D12:08
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unique311but very j12:08
qwerty12Except my PSP joystick is broken12:08
unique311hard to type p12:08
unique311on iPhone12:08
WormFoodI paid about $230 USD for my N800, but I can get a PSP for about $170 (1200 RMB)12:09
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qwerty12The internet on a PSP original sucks though12:09
WormFoodunique311, as far as a digging joke goes, my name means "underground"12:09
tank-manits better on a slim psp?12:09
qwerty12Yes, more memory12:10
qwerty12My PSP would always complain after a few sites12:10
qwerty12I'd have to reboot the thing12:10
qwerty12Anybody give me a link to any AcrossLite (*.puz) file please?12:12
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qwerty12I want to test something12:12
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WormFoodso nobody knows what is going on with the N800 not getting an IP from some WAPs?12:18
Veggendoes the n810 take mini sdhc?12:20
Veggenseems like. hmm. need to find.12:22
GeneralAntillesYour APs are broken?12:25
GeneralAntillesYou broke your N800?12:25
WormFoodnothing was changed with either one12:26
WormFoodeverything else connects to the AP just fine12:26
WormFoodand the N800 connects to random APs just fine (but not some random APs)12:26
WormFoodit seems like if I'm going to be somewhere for a while, it won't connect, but if I'm just passing through it will connect12:27
WormFoodit must have a critical use detector in it, and when it detects I'm going to use it, it won't work12:27
Veggencould it be the power saving features?12:28
qwerty12What channel is your router on? Do you have mac address filtering, WPA? Have you tried setting IP address staticly on N800?12:28
WormFoodnothing was changed with the AP12:28
WormFoodit was working one day, and not the next12:28
WormFoodI can't imagine how it can be any power saving feature, because I turn it on, and it don't work12:29
WormFoodthis is a documented problem. I'm not the only one with this problem12:29
WormFoodI'm hoping someone know what the hell is going on12:29
WormFoodit connects to the AP, it just won't get an IP address12:29
WormFoodI manually set the address and I can ping the N800, but for some god damn stupid fuckin' reason, it does not seem to let me set the default gateway12:30
GeneralAntillesDid you reflash?12:30
WormFoodbut that is not a solution, even if it did work....I know what my home network settings are, but I may not know the settings for some other WAP12:30
WormFoodyes, I reflashed several times12:30
WormFoodright now I'm trying to download OS2007 (for the 3rd fuckin' time) to try that12:31
WormFoodI can't believe how slow nokia's web site is!12:31
qwerty12I find connecting to Chinese sites from the UK is slow ;)12:32
WormFoodI downloaded the last OS2008 releases with no problems, but every time I get to the end of OS2007 I get some stupid error with firefox or iceape or whatever the fuck they want to call it this week12:32
WormFoodI was downloading earlier today at over 100kb/s12:32
WormFoodnow I'm lucky to get 10kb/s12:32
MangoFusionwould help if people stopped cutting undersea cables ;)12:32
qwerty12Ok, I'll put away my wire cutters12:33
WormFoodit would help if nokia paid for some fuckin' bandwidth!12:33
GeneralAntillesWorks fine here.12:34
GeneralAntillesSounds like a routing problem rather than a bandwidth problem.12:34
WormFoodit was running fine before but not now12:34
WormFoodif they didn't make me register on their stupid site, I'd just download it to my server in usa, then download it from there (sometimes that helps with slow sites)12:35
WormFoodasking me for my MAC address is just gay12:35
GeneralAntillesErm, not really.12:35
WormFoodI don't even use my mac address :P12:35
GeneralAntillesThey're making sure you actually own a device.12:35
WormFoodso what does it accomplish?12:35
WormFoodthat does not make sure you own the device12:36
WormFoodI can sniff that mac12:36
qwerty12But the mac address can be faked too :(. Thats how I got my N800 OS2008 image before it came.12:36
GeneralAntillesLegally, that's what it accomplishes.12:36
WormFoodso their gay mac address check does not make sure you actually have the device12:36
GeneralAntillesSerial numbers for shareware software can also be obtained.12:36
GeneralAntillesLegally it does12:36
GeneralAntilleswhich is what matters12:36
WormFoodI don't think that helps them legally12:36
GeneralAntillesfor the software they license from other people.12:36
WormFoodbut still, the MAC addresses are public record12:37
WormFoodyou can go lookup what mac address range nokia has assigned to them12:37
GeneralAntillesThat's still not the point.12:37
WormFoodwith a little bit of effort you can narrow down which range of addresses are used for the n80012:37
WormFoodand/or n81012:37
GeneralAntillesBy the way, software generally doesn't have a sexual preference.12:38
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WormFoodand I could have downloaded the os2008 images before it was out, because other people posted the right mac range to use to download12:38
WormFoodjust a few days ago, I drove by a nokia factory12:39
GeneralAntillesYou're really not getting the point, are you?12:39
WormFoodI know the N800 is made in korea, but still, I wonder what they make in that factory12:39
WormFoodI get the point that checking the mac address is gay12:39
WormFoodI know what point you're trying to make12:40
GeneralAntillesThat you don't have a point?12:40
GeneralAntillesThat you just want to bitch for a while.12:40
WormFoodthey are trying to make an effort against unauthorized downloads12:40
WormFoodthey are making a feeble attempt to make sure people who do not own an n800 can not download their software12:40
qwerty12My N800 says it is made in Finland...12:40
GeneralAntillesTo be quite honest, nobody wants to hear you bitch.12:40
Veggenfor them, it's ok that you say that yoy own that device. of course they know it can and does get faked.12:41
WormFoodqwerty12, are you in europe?12:41
qwerty12Yes, I'm in London.12:41
WormFoodI bought mine in usa (Even tho I'm in asia now)12:42
GeneralAntillesBesides, the NITs aren't even sold in China12:42
MangoFusionfinland here too12:42
GeneralAntillesSo why would you expect them to have a good bandwidth supply there?12:42
WormFoodbecause I was getting 100k downloads earlier today from them12:42
WormFoodyou're right, it could have nothing to do with their bandwidth12:43
WormFoodbut I suspect it is, because other sites are blazing fast for me12:43
WormFoodand by "other sites", I mean sites outside of asia12:43
WormFoodif you don't have a solution to the problem, then you are irrelevant to me :P12:43
GeneralAntillesFix your router.12:44
WormFoodI still have not gotten any good reason as to why the N800 won't get an IP address from some APs (when it did before)12:44
qwerty12We havn't recived any good answers. I tried before, all I got was that nothing is changed12:45
qwerty12What were the settings before in that case?12:45
GeneralAntillesIf you reflashed without restoring a backup and it still doesn't connect, then it's the router.12:45
* GeneralAntilles is pulling down 1.2MB/sec from tablets-dev12:45
GeneralAntillesObviously not a bandwidth issue.12:45
WormFoodI relflashed with and without a restore from backup12:45
qwerty12Also, I believe, correct me if I am wrong, US tablets use different wifi frequencies ?12:46
WormFoodand I can't imagine it being anything with the router because nothing was changed with the router12:46
WormFoodyou are wrong qwerty1212:46
qwerty12fair enough12:46
WormFoodusa has 12 channels IIRC, and other parts of the world get up to 14 channels12:46
WormFoodI don't think that is an issue, because my router is from usa12:47
WormFoodalso, the router I'm connecting to on my laptop works just just won't work with the n80012:47
WormFoodlike I said, this is a documented problem....I'm not the only one with this problem12:47
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qwerty12I dunno, my N800 connects fine everyday to my router.12:48
GeneralAntillesSame here12:48
GeneralAntillesSeveral dozen, in fact.12:49
GeneralAntillesI've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\12:49
Veggenhmm. I have another wifi problem. if i go into offline mode and to online mode again, then it won't connect before I reboot.12:49
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: I've never had a problem connecting to anyy known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\12:50
qwerty12"anyy" ?12:50
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GeneralAntillesI've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with any Nokia tablet. :\12:50
GeneralAntillesStupid bot.12:50
WormFoodI used to not have problems, then all of a sudden one day I started having problems12:50
WormFoodI reflashed and I still have problems12:51
qwerty12Does dmesg say anything when you try to connect? or have you tried syslog?12:51
WormFoodwith or without restoring my backup12:51
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WormFoodhow do I get root access on it without installing some other app?12:51
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WormFoodI doubt dmesg will show dhcp problems12:51
qwerty12Do you have linux on your computer?12:51
WormFoodof course12:52
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qwerty12Use flasher-3.0 to set rd mode12:52
Veggenwormfood: why not install eg easyroot?12:52
WormFoodooohhh....I see what you're saying12:52
WormFoodwhy not install easyroot? because I can't get an internet connection from the n80012:52
qwerty12The deb is only a few kb, install it from tablet12:53
qwerty12No dependies (spelling) afaik12:53
WormFoodjesusfuckin'christ! I just downloaded OS2007 in about 15 seconds to my server, and I've been waiting HOURS for it to download here :(12:54
WormFoodwhere do I get "easyroot" from?12:56
qwerty12anybody can help me with this: ? About in control panel lists two <unknown>'s too12:58
WormFoodthanks qwerty1212:58
GeneralAntillesWhat are you trying to do?12:59
WormFoodI have been downloading OS2007 for over 3.5 hours....and this time it did not give me an error (last 2 times it gave me an error)12:59
qwerty12General: Fix my about screen. Maybe I'm vain but I don't like it when my N800's software version is listed as unknown12:59
qwerty12I dont really want to reflash too.13:00
GeneralAntillesEh, mine's that way, to.o13:00
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GeneralAntillesPersonally, I wouldn't worry about it. :\13:00
qwerty12Ok, thanks :). I think I have been messing around with it too much...13:00
GeneralAntillesI'm not aware of a fix, in any case.13:02
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qwerty12Ok thanks, I thought you may be able to set the info manually with flasher. :(13:02
keesjqwerty12: you might not even be able to flash :p13:03
qwerty12Lol, I hope not. But I'm not testing to find out :p13:04
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keesjI have been there :P
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keesjthat was a white screen of death13:05
GeneralAntillesYou know what I'm excited about? Running Pandora stuff on the N900.13:05
qwerty12keesj: Eek, thanks for the link...13:05
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qwerty12I'm not so keen on buying another internet tablet IMO, TBH, I'd rather just buy a pandora13:06
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GeneralAntillesEh, my desire for a pure gaming device is low.13:07
qwerty12Will N900 have closed components like the N8*0 now?13:08
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qwerty12:(, kinda puts me off getting another one. I know I'm not a developer or anything but I think more could be done with a Pandora.13:10
GeneralAntillesAnyway, the Pandora is ugly as shit.13:10
qwerty12Lol, true13:10
GeneralAntillesHorrifying, really.13:10
qwerty12True actually, so because they are using same OMAP, would Pandora programs work on N900?13:11
glasspandora isn't on store shelves yet13:11
qwerty12But lot of the info about it is already available.13:11
qwerty12I think even a PCB pic is available (?)13:12
GeneralAntillesglass, and never will be. :P13:12
glassa lot of info about a lot of cancelled devices is....13:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, they've put up a few PCB shots over the last week.13:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, the CPUs will be virtually identical (assuming, anyway, that Nokia goes in the direction my logic circuits tell me they will :D).13:12
qwerty12w00t! I dunno, if I ever get enough money and wait it out to see which device is more popular13:13
qwerty12odd question but is N8*0 based a bit on BB5 platform for Nokia phones? retu & tahvo chips are found in BB5 phones, phoenix supports the N800 & my N800 comes up as a BB5 update device.13:14
qwerty12I guess thats why those chips are closed, if so.13:15
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pupnikyeah it'd be nice to see maemo on something besides just tablets13:17
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pupnikpandora would be 'perfect' for it13:17
GeneralAntillesMore or less possible now.13:17
glasswhats the os supposed to be in pandora?13:17
GeneralAntillesThe important parts, anyway.13:17
pupnik'shipping on something;13:17
pupniki should have said13:18
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GeneralAntillesAh, right.13:18
GeneralAntillesWell, Ubuntu Mobile, then.13:18
GeneralAntillesglass, practically nothing.13:18
GeneralAntillesA loader, basically.13:18
jacky_Help. If I want to add kernel module to N800, after I compile the module. Which should I do then. Which software should be installed in N80013:18
pupniki think insmod exists13:19
qwerty12pupnik is right13:19
qwerty12just use insmod as root to insert a module13:19
jacky_My question is when I connect N800 to my computer. Only the directory in the memory card shows. The system directory doesn't show13:21
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qwerty12You cannot mount rootfs over usb afaik13:22
GeneralAntillesYou can't mount it on two machines. :P13:22
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qwerty12True lol.13:23
jacky_Anyother way that I can log to the N800 in my PC13:24
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keesjqwerty12: I think you can13:25
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qwerty12But not while the N800 is using it right?13:26
keesj*mount the rootfs over usb* ther initds does even provide a menu entry(I did never test it)13:26
keesjalright ( I was thinking the oposite)13:26
AStormhere the new kernel locks used partition13:26
AStormthat is, doesn't export it13:26
AStormno room for error13:27
qwerty12keesj: Yes, that is what I was thinking. I think it would work in initfs13:27
AStormOn N810 of course13:29
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WormFoodthis is so god damn frustrating!13:33
WormFoodI'm about closed to smashing this piece of shit with a hammer13:34
WormFoodit is a god damn $230 brick now13:34
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Veggenwormfood: first, get root access on device. second: the wireless-tools might help you troubleshooting problems.13:36
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WormFoodit is not a wireless problem13:38
WormFoodit is a dhcp problem13:38
Veggenmm, yes. but being able to associate from commandline, then run udhcpc from command line could give you some info.13:41
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pupnikjott: bored?13:42
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WormFoodrunning udhcpd from the command line does not do a god damn thing13:57
WormFoodthey did a shitty job on the n800's networking abilities14:02
WormFoodI can't even get "ifup" to work14:02
WormFoodudhcpd gives me no such device14:03
jottpupnik: not as much as i would like :) .. why?14:03
pupnikgp2x snes emu is compiled and loading roms - needs audio, video and input14:04
pupnikWormFood: sorry i don't know the answer14:04
GeneralAntillesIt's busybox, WormFood.14:04
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GeneralAntillesIt doesn't have all the same pieces as a heavier weight distro.14:05
jotthmm nice.. but nothing i would want to do atm atleast :/14:05
pupnikhehe ok14:05
WormFoodI know it is busybox, but still, I don't expect it to tell me the device does not exist when I can see it with ifconfig14:06
WormFooddid I overlook the arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard...I can't seem to find them anywhere14:06
GeneralAntillesYou have a giant d-pad on the left.14:06
WormFoodI never expected that to be the arrow keys14:07
qwerty12Why not?14:07
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GeneralAntillesWhat else would it be?14:07
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Veggenugh. (wasn't going to say anything)14:10
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pupnikOk this is crazy.  the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour.14:20
sxpertpupnik, ouch14:21
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pupniklmao you can book a flight with them14:24
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pupnikever make the mistake of scrolling up in irssi with shift+pgup and then, for a split second, being REALLY confused?15:01
Veggenhmm. snowing here now..15:08
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webustanyhow can i uninstall packages with "invisible" dependencies on os2008 ?15:17
webustanyeg. python-something is required by canolad15:18
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webustanybut I already removed canola...15:18
webustanyi don't have gainroot on my n81015:19
pupniki don't think i do either15:19
pupniki just ssh to root@localhost15:19
webustanythat works ???15:20
webustanywithout password ?15:20
pupnikyou need to install openssh15:20
webustanyi did15:20
webustanygonna test that15:20
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webustanyoh yeah15:22
Veggenhow can people live without root? :)15:22
webustanyi couldn't...15:23
GeneralAntillesIt's a barbaric world.15:23
webustanythough i prefer sudo...15:23
jotthow can people live without ssh? :O15:23
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Veggenwebustany: sudo is root access in my book :)15:23
* webustany hugs openbsd15:24
webustanybut you keep your environment15:25
* jott pokes webustany with an "sudo -i"15:28
* lcuk lives without root15:29
* lcuk is a carnivore15:29
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* jott feeds lcuk cows with a root15:30
* lcuk opens the fistula and throws the rotting material at jott15:31
* jott evades15:31
* lcuk picks up jott and puts him into the fistual opening15:32
* jott gains extra skill "Evade rotting materials"15:32
lcukevade that :P15:32
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lcuk(after fixing typo)_15:32
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lcukis it normal form now to get a hosted machine and install your own CMS on it - or does maemo garage have enough help around?15:33
* jott eats the cow from the inside out and wins15:33
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jotthm probably easier to get a blog instead :)15:34
lcukbut a blog is so...bleugh15:35
VeggenI've always been a run-my-own-services-person.15:35
Veggenone learns a lot by doing it, also.15:35
lcukthe only easily accessible space i have is google pages, but theres no services runnable - i cant host an svn or bugtracker15:35
lcukbut then there is cost veggen15:36
VeggenI run everything at home on the adsl line I need anyways.15:36
jottwell for svn/bt you can use garage or code.google15:36
lcukcode google might do me15:36
Veggengranted, I don't run high traffic services.15:36
lcukbut garage is more likely to get me a cheap nokia at next upgrade15:37
jottVeggen: hehe yeah for private use it's fine but i don't want to waste upstream bandwidth if there are better solutions :)15:37
lcuki suppose i will have to have a proper look around in the coming weeks15:37
lcuki do not want to host anything on home - its actually low bandwidth cable (at least upstream)15:37
lcuki could host it on 810 i suppose15:38
lcukthat way bandwidth wouldnt be a problem ;)15:38
Veggenjott: though - I've considered putting my private stuff on a server hosting platform.15:38
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JaffaMorning, all15:53
qwerty12_N800Afternoon ;) :)15:54
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Jaffaqwerty12_N800: true16:13
WormFood<pupnik> Ok this is crazy.  the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. <-- I knew that, but did you know he is also a world class fencer?16:16
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pupnikheh no. :)  checking the wiki now16:20
WormFoodI've been listening to Iron Maiden since 1983 or 1984 (1984 is when I bought my first maiden album)16:22
WormFoodIron Maide has been around since 1976 I think it was when they first started16:23
jaskaold farts16:23
Veggenhmm. maybe a colleage of mine knows him, then. He (my colleague) is an international fencing judge and president of the norwegian fencing association...16:23
Veggenbut i can't see him listening to Iron Maiden :)16:24
WormFoodI'm not that old jaska...I'm only 3916:24
jaskawell, iron maiden are :)16:24
WormFoodI'm not pushing 40...I'm pulling 3016:24
jaska27, albeit my 30s-crisis started when i hit 2116:24
WormFoodYou can say when I hit my mid-life crisis, I moved to China ;)   (that is not really true, but some people see it as that)16:25
jaskaahh, thought i was in another channel :)16:25
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jaskaits a small internet.16:26
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WormFoodhehehe...funny, eh jaska?16:27
WormFoodI've seen other people I know on other irc servers in unrelated channels :P16:27
ol_schoola_funny how much crossover i see in *mythtv-users and #rockbox16:28
WormFoodanyways, I'm off to bed, I'll see you all l8r16:28
WormFoodwell, jaska and I hang out on a totally different channel, on a totally different server.16:29
ol_schoola_that'll happen16:29
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czrWormFood, whereabouts in china?16:34
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KotCzarnyanything important happened while i was sleeping?16:57
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czrKotCzarny, nothing of importance.17:10
czrmove along..17:10
KotCzarnygood. back to sleep then.17:10
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koyotego bruce17:18
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ptmanhas anyone formatted the n810 internal memory card to ext2/317:19
KotCzarnythat wouldn't be a wise thing17:19
ptmanwhy is that?17:19
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KotCzarnybecause it's a raw flash17:19
KotCzarnyand no one said anything about wear levelling17:19
KotCzarny(as it happens on sd)17:20
KotCzarnyso jffs2 is a must there17:20
jottit's preformatted as fat17:20
KotCzarnyjott: are we talking about sd card or built in flash?17:20
jottit's fine to use ext instead17:20
ptmanI mean the 2GB internal flash disk17:20
jottobviously the 2gb card17:20
KotCzarnyptman: is that flash disk removable?17:21
jottnot without opening the device17:21
ptmanI've been thinking about it, but is there anyone with experience? I'd like to know if software break with a case-sensitive fs etc.17:21
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ptmanKotCzarny: check out the specs on the n81017:21
KotCzarnyjott: built in flash in n810 is a soldered sd card? or one-nand flash ?17:22
jottshould be some kind of sd/mmc17:22
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jottwell anyway. it works fine with ext.. fat is evil anyway17:23
MangoFusionthey solder in sd cards? interesting17:24
ptmanand do you need a custom kernel for ext3 support?17:24
KotCzarnyptman, ext3 module is on initfs17:24
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KotCzarnyi wonder why they haven't made a solution similiar to n80017:29
KotCzarnyie. one easily removable and one hidden under-cover slot17:29
MangoFusioncould be that they want to encourage people to buy new units when and if the internal memory goes kaput17:30
KotCzarnymaybe they were afraid people will overwrite bootloader then17:30
jottis there actually anyone who disassembled his/her n810?17:30
KotCzarnyi have seen naked n800's photos17:30
jottyeah they are of no interests :P17:30
KotCzarnyi liked them :P17:31
jottbooring .. i want to see n810 nude pics :)17:31
czronly if the pics include close-up shots of the chips!17:31
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jottyeah give it to me!17:31
KotCzarnyczr: they were a closeups17:32
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* czr drools a bit.17:32
jottbut it's really strange as most devices get disassembled sooner or later by people who know they will get them back together easily afterwards :)17:33
czralthough I bet it's not as sexy as a proper BER-decode of an X.50917:33
unique311after owning an iphone for more than a day, i can honestly say that i love my n800 more much.17:33
jottbut n800 is milf stuff :P17:33
KotCzarnybetter milf in hand.. :P17:33
czrmilf always reminds me of the email addresses of the finnish military people17:33
czrwhich.. for obvious reasons, it quite funny when sending them email.17:34
KotCzarnyhtc looks interesting17:34
KotCzarnyno naked but overall chic17:34
KotCzarnybrb. breakfast17:35
unique311but maybe my iphone judgements are premature...17:35
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MangoFusioni tried out an ipod touch a while ago. didn't really get what the fuss was about17:36
MangoFusionapart from the nice transitions17:36
unique311i think thats it...17:36
unique311really nice gui17:36
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MangoFusionpersonally i like my n800 more ;)17:37
jottthis htc thing is huge :O17:37
MangoFusion(e.g i don't need a pc to plonk music on for starters!)17:37
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jott hm :O17:40
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unique311 i like how they are always trying to compare the ITs with phones...17:41
Veggen 2414 user     SW      208M     1  0.0168.4 browser17:42
MangoFusionwhat?! an IT isn't a phone? OMFWTF?! ;)17:42
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MangoFusion208m? wow17:42
unique311i guess it is17:42
jottyou can skype and voip - hence it's a phone :)17:43
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jottman landline connections are voip nowadays too :)17:43
unique311not a cellular phone17:45
unique311comeback for that one17:45
jottwell we are not far aways from cellular voice going over ip in larger scale17:46
unique311tmobile is offering something like this...17:47
KotCzarnytop isn't an exact mem checker17:50
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czrit's not even close to exact.17:52
KotCzarnytop isn't a benchmark too17:53
Veggenwell. it's usually not *that* wrong? unless you're thinking about shared memory usage, etc...17:53
jottwell it's exact but the number is not what people think it is :)17:53
jottthough /proc/$PID/status is a bit more verbose :)17:54
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* koyote fails to find an angband.18:02
KotCzarnyask pupnik18:02
koyoteactually, not a lot of games of types i do play are ported18:02
MangoFusionneat, moving my menu bar to the bottom (when rotated) now allows me to see the call button in skype. muhahah18:02
koyotei looked on pupnik's page.18:03
KotCzarnyi believe i have seen nethack there18:03
keesjMangoFusion: screen shot?18:03
KotCzarnyand i believe zangband will compile in scratchbox without a problem18:03
keesjfrozen bubble must also be nice rotated18:03
KotCzarnythere's another bubble clone18:03
koyotethere's tome18:03
KotCzarnyforgot the name18:03
koyotenot fond of nethack so much.18:04
KotCzarnyhave you tried compiling in sb/sdk ?18:04
pupniki have an angband?18:04
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KotCzarnyi thought i have seen it somewhere , hum18:05
pupnikwell, there was one being worked on18:05
KotCzarnyi knew it!18:05
koyoteangband, emacs, vlc and I can get rid of my laptop18:06
MangoFusionhmm appears that taking a screenshot does not work correctly  (using that status applet)18:06
jottMangoFusion: imagemagick works fine though..18:07
pupnikhmm i have angband armel here and never uploaded it?18:07
pupnikkoyote: want 3.0.6 or 3.0.9 ?18:08
MangoFusioncan't be arsed to install that18:08
qwerty12MangoFusion: Screenshot in rotation?18:09
qwerty12I use the mh shot tool.18:09
jottMangoFusion: i use  "import -window root foo.png" :)18:09
KotCzarnybut it's because s-tool expects fixed size i believe18:09
qwerty12load applet works a *bit* better if you set it to low level screenshots18:10
koyotepupnik: either, but 3.0.9 is better, i think18:10
koyoteI agree with the new direction. though scripting is handy with limited inputs.18:11
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MangoFusionjust used the old fashioned approach18:14
pupnikkoyote  angband (sdl)18:14
pupnikthanks KotCzarny18:14
MangoFusionsee? big fat call button nicely visible. and contact picture too18:14
keesjMangoFusion: nice18:15
MangoFusiongenerally speaking i think the rotate stuff is great18:16
KotCzarnyhow did you get upright skype and menubar on the bottom?18:16
MangoFusionjust wish there was support by default18:16
qwerty12Drag the menu bar to bottom in rotation mode.18:16
MangoFusionmenubar on bottom? rotate then drag with the stylus18:16
KotCzarnyit's draggable?18:16
pupnikthat looks to be dawnmists build18:16
MangoFusiondoesn't work in normal mode though, very odd18:16
KotCzarnyfirst time i heard about it18:16
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jottoops amazing :)18:17
* KotCzarny tries it18:17
jottmust be a stupid hack.. if (width=800 && height=480) return YOU_SUCK;  :)18:17
MangoFusionactually seems to be working in normal mode now. though i've never tried it before without rotation so i have little basis for speculation18:18
KotCzarnyhow do i drag it?18:18
qwerty12drag from under task navigator18:18
MangoFusioni start at the bottom just before the window bar18:18
MangoFusionthen drag to an edge18:18
KotCzarnyit disappeared :/18:18
KotCzarnytotally :/18:18
KotCzarnynow i'm without menubar18:19
koyotepupnik: cool, gonna try it out.18:19
jottKotCzarny: you dragged it out of the screen :)18:19
qwerty12Has anybody tried Bundyo's newly compiled mplayer ? flv works perfectly compared to Serge's build but menu doesn't work and gmplayer is broken :(.18:19
KotCzarnyjott, yeah, sure, now how do i get it back?18:19
jotthm still i can't drag it in normal mode.. just rotated18:19
jottrotate? :)18:19
MangoFusionseems to work fine in normal mode for me atm18:19
KotCzarnyit's gone!18:20
qwerty12Take out your battery quick :p18:20
MangoFusionits a little bit unpredictable i think18:20
KotCzarnyi want my menubar back :/18:20
jottMangoFusion: hmm right when you move it when rotated and let it in the non default position then i can drag it too18:21
MangoFusioncrap now mine has gone18:21
KotCzarnyit's contagious ;)18:21
qwerty123rd time lucky for someone? :p18:21
KotCzarnyqwerty: your turn :P18:21
* jott now has the menubar on top in non rotated mode :O that looks ugly18:21
MangoFusionwould be lovely if i could get it bacl18:22
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MangoFusionok restarted and now its in the default position again *phew*18:23
qwerty12That actually looks good :p18:23
jott :)18:23
jottthat is ugly :o18:23
koyoteI am missing libsdl-ttf and hildon-libs18:24
koyoteguess I should fix that18:24
jottstill a really nice find :)18:24
jottesp. when rotated18:25
koyotehave to find the, of course18:25
KotCzarnybut could be nice if it worked realiably18:25
KotCzarnykoyote: apt-get18:25
MangoFusionoddly now i've restarted the menu bar no longer moves18:25
KotCzarnyand apt-cache search18:25
jottMangoFusion: yeah it's somehow locked until you rotate :)18:25
koyoteI haven't moved past app manager yet18:25
MangoFusionbut as soon as i rotate it decides to work18:25
jottit's much more usable at the bottom.. esp. for launching apps and switching tasks with the finger18:27
KotCzarnycould be nice to integrate menubar moving into rotate applet18:27
jottwell just drag it :O18:28
MangoFusionyes would be a lot easier18:28
jotti wonder if it's dbus controllable or somehow18:28
KotCzarnyjott: yeah, sure18:28
KotCzarnyright now i'm menuless18:28
KotCzarnythat's why it could be nice to have a way to get it back18:30
KotCzarnyvia simple 'rotate again'18:30
jotthm funny bug(?) with the bookmarks - when the menu is at the bottom (while rotated) it won't start at entry 0 (i.e. open new browser window) but just in the middle of the list18:30
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jottyeah if you find out how to remote controll it i will integrate it in the rotate app :)18:30
KotCzarnyi wonder, menubar is a part of matchbox or some nokia's addon?18:31
jotti guess it's part of hildon-desktop?!18:32
jottbut could also be matchbox18:32
jottnot sure18:32
KotCzarnyhildon-desktop is closed?18:32
KotCzarnylet's see18:32
jottyeah seems to be hildon-desktop18:33
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koyoteokay, guess I'll get apt working when I get back18:36
koyoteoff to take the kids to zombie jesus day!18:36
jottdon't let jesus bite them :O18:38
ProteousI hope zombie jesus hid lots of zombie larva eggs around this year18:39
Proteousstrange how they taste so good18:39
KotCzarnymmm, eggs18:39
KotCzarnyah. it's for panels.18:39
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jotthm speaking of eggs .. time to reveal the n810 hardware easter egg :)18:43
jottit has to do with the hardware :>18:43
KotCzarnyEveryone asks about hardware easter eggs. The 770 has a microphone and the N800 has an FM tuner. Does the N810 have any secret hardware? .18:43
KotCzarnysame google result?18:44
KotCzarnyfm transmitter?18:44
jottthe "real" gps unit? :)18:44
jotta accelerometer? :)18:47
jottan integrated taser?18:48
KotCzarny50$ bills printer?18:48
qwerty12Glock 40?18:48
inzkitchen sink?18:48
KotCzarnyrpg ?18:49
qwerty12AK-47? ;) :p18:49
KotCzarnyrpg beats ak-47 ;)18:49
qwerty12Damn, now I use my glock 40 on you :p18:49
jottself-desctruction mechanism :)18:49
KotCzarnyno you don't18:50
KotCzarnyyou're too fragmented18:50
jottwe do better than this stupid iphone wipe :O18:50
jottwhy wipe when you can explode? :)18:50
* qwerty12 blinks18:50
KotCzarnyapproved by us dod18:50
jottman why are there no hardware freaks to just dissect this thing :)18:51
KotCzarnyjott, you first18:51
KotCzarnyi have n800 anyway18:51
jottor some chinese guys who faked a nda to get on the internal schematics :)18:52
KotCzarnyi believe internal schematics are available18:52
KotCzarnyhaven't you seen the link?18:52
jottfor n810?18:52
jottn800 does not count18:52
KotCzarnylet me check18:53
* KotCzarny has n800 so it does count18:53
qwerty12n800 ftw18:53
jottold :p18:56
qwerty12Seen that before, would be so much better on N800 :p18:56
KotCzarnythis size it could be on sd card18:56
KotCzarnytransparent app bar18:57
qwerty12Check out the screenshots thread in general on internet tablet talk18:57
qwerty12Two themes posted which make at leas t one of the bars transparent :p18:58
KotCzarnywhat's the app name?18:58
KotCzarny'home' key doesn't call app list18:59
KotCzarny(/me still menubarless)18:59
qwerty12Tried taking out your battery? bit extreme but hopefully your N800 wont have saved settings18:59
qwerty12I used to do it on my W810 all the time19:00
KotCzarnyno, i just want to find a way to bring it back without a reset19:00
qwerty12Tried killing matchbox?19:00
KotCzarnythat will reboot the device19:01
KotCzarnysome rogue applet could work19:01
qwerty12For me it just loads desktop back into "safe mode" unless you count that as reboot :)19:01
KotCzarnywhat's the killall name?19:01
qwerty12Dunno, I just use load applet.19:01
KotCzarnywhat proces do you kill then?19:02
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qwerty12killall hildon-desktop - when killed, your applets disable until you reboot. if you send quit signal, your programs quit too. you send kill signal, your programs *should* be there :p19:02
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qwerty12Heres one transparent theme:
KotCzarnymoving menubar roolez19:04
KotCzarnybut app menu is inaccessible then :/19:04
KotCzarnyi think getting rid of whole menubar and installing statusbar menu is the way to go19:05
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KotCzarnynow.. how did i managed to get rid of it19:07
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Italodancewho is baby here?19:07
qwerty12Any notepad++ like editor for linux that lets you search multiple file simultaneously19:07
MangoFusionKotCzarny: i think if you move to the bottom when in landscape it tends to vanish19:08
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KotCzarnyi can't get rid of it, hum19:09
KotCzarny(i can set it's width to 0px though in prefs)19:09
qwerty12It won't let you kill it :p19:10
qwerty12It wants to live :p19:10
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Italodancehi qwerty1219:10
qwerty12hello Italodance19:10
jottqwerty12: vim :p19:11
qwerty12I only know "I" and ":wq"19:11
Proteouskill -919:12
jottvimtutor :)19:12
qwerty12Ok, thanks19:12
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KotCzarnynuovoclear has one quirk19:20
lcukkot, that tilt sensor - it was let down by the graphics19:20
KotCzarnylcuk: hmm?19:20
qwerty12KotCzarny: Any good at GIMPin (I'd say photoshop but this is Linux. as for me, I get out my gimp suit when I need it... :p :D)19:21
KotCzarnyqwerty: no, it's because in vertical mode19:22
* lcuk noticed today that sdl has yuv overlay support. hope its hardware based19:22
KotCzarnydesktopmenu goes over statusbas19:22
qwerty12skeen - I see,19:23
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KotCzarnyhow's that theme named?19:24
qwerty12I think its one of default themes19:24
qwerty12Just different background19:24
lcukthats a gr8 shot on the theme :D it really is fast and well positioned19:25
KotCzarnybut which one it is19:25
qwerty12KotCzarny: The 1st guy to make a transparent theme in that thread: -
qwerty12I'll check in a min.19:26
KotCzarnyfound it :>19:26
* qwerty12 cancels that :p19:26
qwerty12checking that is19:26
KotCzarnyit's great for rotating19:26
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lcukis that theme actually borderless, or are the borders just he same shape?19:28
KotCzarnyprobably same shape19:28
KotCzarnyand color19:28
KotCzarnyotherwise it would be seen in vertical mode19:28
lcuki bet my program blows chunks in vertical mode19:29
lcukKABOOOOOOOOOOM! type explosions19:29
lcukcan the dsp handle blitting?19:30
* lcuk might employ it as a copro19:30
qwerty12Any one got a list of the "SDLK"'s for an N800, thanks19:32
qwerty12*SDLKEYS . Sorry.19:32
KotCzarny /usr/include ?19:32
qwerty12Ok, thanks, I told you I was stupid :p19:33
jottthere are no n8x0 specific sdl keys19:33
qwerty12Ok, thanks :)19:33
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qwerty12Anybody know what the SDL binding is for the Middle D-Pad button? Thanks.19:45
qwerty12Ah, yes, thanks !19:45
KotCzarnyjust run xev19:45
KotCzarnyand see that codes they generate19:45
KotCzarny(including other hw buttons)19:45
qwerty12Ok, thanks. I tried xev but I don't get the output. I will read up on it :)19:46
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KotCzarnybut run it from ssh19:46
KotCzarnyor from xterm19:46
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qwerty12I was in xterm :). I get output but me being developing n00b, I don't get it :)19:47
qwerty12I dont understand I mean :)19:47
qwerty12Sorry, I was misleading.19:47
KotCzarnythen just press enter and look what 'keysym' it generates19:47
KotCzarnyand similiar for other keys19:47
jottlook for state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES19:47
jottthen you know F6 was pressed :)19:47
qwerty12Ah yes, I see now, thanks both! :)19:48
KotCzarnyit's a miracle!19:48
KotCzarnyrejoice everyone!19:48
qwerty12lol, w00t! :p19:48
qwerty12Ok not really. I killed it. :p19:48
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AStormKotCzarny: do you know how to,get Polish POI db for maemo-mapper?20:30
AStormmy GPS works quite well20:31
AStormanyone else?20:32
AStormbtw, maemo-mapper could use some better map compression20:33
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AStormhmm, everybody is partying or what?20:40
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AStormso do I20:43
inzeaster partgeeh, yeah!20:45
AStormhmm, could someone point me to N810 kismet build too?20:48
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AStormor similar?20:49
AStormN810 could be a wardriver's dream20:49
Veggenthink I saw some kismet package somewhere.20:52
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GNUroyeah i've got kismet on my n810.20:53
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AStormargh, got my hopes up21:13
AStormand still no link!21:13
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skiburanybody using other than os2008 on their tablet?21:26
KotCzarnyprobably 770 users21:26
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qwerty12_N800It's all about 2008 now :p21:26
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skiburo ok21:27
skiburI see21:27
AStormOS2008 is the fresh one21:28
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AStorm... need kismet ... (in that "Braaainz" zombie voice)21:32
skiburneed metasploit?21:33
qwerty12_N800Metasploit is slow on n800 :(21:34
AStormfor n810...21:34
skiburcan't get it to work on mine21:34
skibursomething about not loading REX21:35
KotCzarny810 and 800 have same hw21:35
qwerty12_N800skibur: It uses a massive amount of space though and it's really slow21:35
skiburI guess I will just have to take my laptop to work21:35
AStormKotCzarny: but not sw21:35
KotCzarnysw too21:35
KotCzarnyaside from rootfs/initfs issues of course21:36
AStormbora != chinook21:36
KotCzarnybora is os200721:36
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skiburQwerty: do you have it currently installed?21:36
KotCzarnyn800 is os2008 too21:36
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qwerty12_N800Not any more.21:37
AStormneed cron too21:37
Veggenside note: what's keeping people from using maemo extras repository instead of their own?21:37
skiburas a pentester, I think I shall stick to Lappy21:37
AStormveggan: stuff has to go through testing repo21:39
qwerty12_N800I've used those personally, successfuly on os200821:41
AStormah, for cron, thx21:42
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VeggenAStorm: but why isn't things in testing repo, then? :)21:43
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AStormveggan: people are lazy21:44
AStormthus stuff from isn't all there, even21:44
koyotepupnik: what environment am I looking for here to get angband working? I need to install some deps that aren't showing up in application manager21:44
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skiburthanks for the guide qwerty.  Deal breaker question.  Speed....  is it worth having it on the n800?21:50
qwerty12_N800It's very slow loading menus but if you are v.patient it comes up21:51
qwerty12_N800For me. I removed it. Too much space and slow speed21:51
skiburthanks for your comment21:51
qwerty12_N800Np :)21:52
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solmumahakoyote: did you check gronmayer for those dependencies?21:57
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qwerty12_N800I'm missing hildon-libs0 when installing angband. Hmm, I wouldn't try to find that...22:00
solmumahaah, gtk gui then?22:00
qwerty12_N800I think so. I will just dpkg it with ignore deps and edit status file and hope for the best :p22:01
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solmumahaqwerty12_N800: you lack marketing skills22:02
qwerty12_N800You saw my thread then? :P22:03
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qwerty12_N800I'm 15 and living in East London where it's all about grime, rnb & postcodes... My attitude is influenced :p22:05
Tama^2postcodes? O.o22:05
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qwerty12_N800Yep, E6 gonna merk e7... :P22:06
koyotesolmumaha: ??22:07
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koyoteI'm a bit new on this.22:07
solmumahakoyote: familiar?22:07
solmumahaif not, get acquainted22:08
koyotebeen doing this for 24 hoursa22:09
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qwerty12_N800Woot, angband works on os2008!22:09
solmumahakoyote: how has it been so far?22:10
koyotegreat, really22:11
qwerty12_N800Desktop file is  broken and from  terminal it works but minimising is broken & screen size is odd.22:11
koyoteflashed os2008 last night, enabled extended applications, messed around, dia bunch of web browsing22:12
koyotetrying to deice if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media22:12
infobotkoyote meant: trying to decide if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media22:12
solmumahakoyote: what os you have on desktop?22:13
koyoteeeexubuntu 7.10 rc322:13
koyotexubuntu 7.10, with asus eee pc hacks22:14
solmumahatry mediaserv then22:14
koyote(and, yeah, that IS my main computer)22:14
koyotemediaserv for?22:14
solmumahawatching videos22:14
qwerty12_N800It transcodes on the fly22:14
koyoteI'm mostly concerned with getting stuff onto sd cards for travel and such.22:15
solmumahawell you can use that for it too22:15
solmumahajust save it to your memory card22:16
koyoteI need to get more of those, too. after the keyboard22:17
solmumahamediatomb has transcoding nowadays too, but i never managed to get it working with the media player22:17
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koyote2008 doesn't have the same offline mode switch22:22
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koyotewhich of the 48 or so repos are important, or broken?22:23
solmumahawell you can start by adding what you need22:24
solmumahausing search22:25
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LoCusFis there a guide in the wiki for formatting the internal card as ext2 on n810?22:32
LoCusFor anywhere else?22:32
KotCzarnywhy not simply boot off mmc?22:32
qwerty12_N800Check 1 of the many cloning threads.22:32
KotCzarnyand keep internal as a rescue-os22:32
KotCzarnystylus should include a hole for a leash22:35
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koyoteinteresting idea. if it's stable, i might run off the 4gb card i put internally22:35
KotCzarnyyeah, i plan moving to sd too22:36
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solmumahaLoCusF: apt-get install e2fsprogs?22:39
KotCzarnysolmumaha: but he shouldn't use mke2fs on rootfs22:39
KotCzarnyi whink cloning fs to mmc first is a must then22:39
KotCzarnyor boot off usb22:40
solmumahaah, ok22:40
solmumahaglad i don't have n810 ;)22:40
qwerty12_N800You also need to insert ext2 modules if you format with ext2.22:40
qwerty12_N800i always assumed you had n810 :d22:41
solmumahanope, couldn't justify buying it22:42
qwerty12_N800Same here, i thought n800 was more worth it for me.22:42
solmumahawell i bought n800 when it came out22:43
qwerty12_N800Not me :p22:43
koyotei traded an old ipod for a 3 week old 800 yesterday.22:43
qwerty12_N800£300 more for a gps & keyboard wasnt a viable option for me.22:43
koyotewhich was what i was looking for, anyway. the thumboard is cool, but I *know* i'm going to end up with a folding bt keyboard anyhow22:44
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KotCzarnykoyote, how old was the ipod?22:44
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koyote9 months. old gen 30gb video, plus $30, for the n80022:46
koyotefair enough for me. I've got plenty of sd cards around, and the screen on the 800 is nicer.22:46
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qwerty12_N801Nope, I got disconnected and reconnected and pidgin or nickseerv has bumped up my number by 1 :p22:51
KotCzarnyif bumping hw revision was that easy22:51
Navialp, you around?22:53
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qwerty12_N801Does anyone know of a irssi package for maemo? Gronmayer isn't loading for me.23:13
AStormqwerty. google, use it23:15
doc|homeI tried one I found somewhere, it sefaulted or soemthing23:16
qwerty12_N801Astorm: I could have said the same thing about cron ;p but point taken.23:16
AStormi need a working cron too23:18
AStormthat one is junk23:19
AStormfor bora23:19
qwerty12_N801Bora cli binaries usually work in chinook. Theres another one too, let me check.23:19
AStormalternatively, something to sync time23:20
qwerty12_N801check www.nitapps.com23:20
AStormgronmayer is down23:20
qwerty12_N801you've reminded me actually to upd8 time lol23:21
qwerty12_N801I wanna try irssi on n800 but it's gonna suck w/out a bt kbd. :(23:21
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qwerty12_N801Here's another cron
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Andy80hi all23:32
Andy80a quick question if someone uses the youtube plugin for canola2: where do the videos are saved? I'm using N81023:34
qwerty12_N801Brb, bout to try irssi.23:34
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NaviAndy80, in the .canola folder23:38
Andy80just found.. really too bad :(23:38
Andy80it should save them on internal mini sd23:39
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qwerty12_N800Irssi sux. Pissin seg faults :@23:40
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koyoteangband is a bit,,, well. not sure yet23:40
koyotegood interface methods23:40
KotCzarnykoyote: xkbd23:41
solmumahaAndy80: you could symlink it unless you find it bad in general :)23:41
qwerty12_N800Did you get it working? :)23:41
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Andy80the problem is that main memory is only 256 wile the internal sd is 2 gb23:42
Andy80it's very strange not to use the sd!23:42
solmumahasounds like a design flaw yes23:43
qwerty12_N800I'm glad it was, not to sound callous but n800 compatibility would have a  bit less23:44
Andy80maybe it was tested only on a n800, usually these people have an external mmc too23:44
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koyotexkbd, oi. i guess so.23:59

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