IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-03-10

* KotCzarny hates media libraries00:00
KotCzarnywithout option to just browse files00:00
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jotttag your files KotCzarny  :)00:00
KotCzarnyjott: never!00:00
jottbut i admit canola sucks when its about media handling00:00
KotCzarnyand there's also metalayer-crawl-like issue00:00
KotCzarnyfor me it's enough to do a ls00:01
leif__quodlibet might be nice on the tablet, but last I checked it wasn't in debian-arm due to some issue with python-ctypes iirc00:01
leif__quodlibet has a filesystem view in addition to others, including an itunes-like one00:01
skyn3they check this out00:02
skyn3tthats pretty cool00:02
skyn3tI wonder if anyone else makes these kind of devices00:02
KotCzarnyskyn3t: as long as it has linux drivers00:02
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KotCzarnyopen source or compiled for n8x000:03
skyn3tyeah that would be nice00:03
skyn3tto get something like this for n81000:03
KotCzarnywhat's a: Type II PC USB slot00:04
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KotCzarnyproudly south african?00:04
* KotCzarny hates nationalistic stuff00:04
elbthere's nothing at all wrong with being proud of nationality00:05
KotCzarnyelb: it's always being used by someone00:06
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elbit can be taken too far00:06
elbbut if you take away everything which can be taken too far ... you're left with nothing00:06
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elbthe Inquisition used to kill people by force-feeding them water ;-)00:06
KotCzarnybut i grumble at 'using' it00:06
KotCzarnyalso nationality in itself doesn't matter much00:07
KotCzarnyand sets barriers between people00:07
KotCzarnyartificial barriers00:07
KotCzarnyie. 'i'm different than you, and because of that you suck'00:08
KotCzarny'..and have to die'00:08
skyn3tthis is intresting00:08
KotCzarnyyes, that's necessary00:09
RayTracer`kotczarny well sometimes that makes problems easier to solve00:09
leif__elb, see
KotCzarnyrt: lol00:09
RayTracer`if you have a good cause00:09
elbleif__: sure, you can find a wikipedia citation for any unreasonable viewpoint ;-)00:10
KotCzarny'you're from different district, die'00:10
elb"you're white, you can't own a business" just happened in Zimbabwe00:10
elband it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business"00:11
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jottelb: even if you did not do anything about it?00:11
leif__elb, imo there is some reason in that article, but you couldn't have read it all in the 40 seconds it took you to decry it as an "unreasonable viewpoint"00:12
elbleif__: anti-nationalism as a policy I find unreasonable, and I am already aware of its existence, apart from wikipedia00:12
KotCzarnyanarchy ftw!00:12
elbjott: ideally one who would take such pride would be active in maintaining such freedoms, but you're right, there will always be those who ride on the coattails of success00:13
jottelb: well i guess it's > 99.9% who just ride00:13
KotCzarny'hey, we have a democracy!'00:14
KotCzarnybut we don't00:14
elbjott: not at all00:14
elbI'm sure that more than 1 out of 1000 people take at least *some* interest in their nation's welfare and operation00:14
elbat least, in *my* nation00:14
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leif__elb, which is yours?00:15
elbbut I can't see it being any other way anywhere else00:15
elbleif__: the USA00:15
leif__USA! USA!00:15
leif__me too00:15
KotCzarnyelb: you're the dreamer00:15
elbKotCzarny: you are willing to stand up and say that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans take any hand in their government?00:15
elbbecause if you are, I'm willing to point out a filthy-minded nationalist in this channel ;-)00:16
KotCzarnyit's not what they want to do, but what happens really00:16
elb(I'd actually be shocked to find out that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans are civil servants)00:16
Tama^2elb, any form of "we [arbitrary group name] are [qualifier clause]" are unreasonable and a bit ridiculous00:16
KotCzarnyelb: do you consider illegal immigrants as americans?00:16
elbTama^2: absolutely00:17
elbTama^2: I don't *think* anyone in this discussion has made such a claim yet00:17
leif__elb, can they start businesses though? I thought "any" could00:17
KotCzarnya. nyone00:17
elbKotCzarny: I'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion; my personal belief is that there should be no such thing as an "illegal immigrant"00:17
Tama^2elb: and it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business"00:17
Tama^2elb: at least, in *my* nation00:18
KotCzarnyelb: because first we need to know who are those americans00:18
elbTama^2: are you saying it's not reasonable to say that, or that in this nation fewer than 1 out of 1000 people participate in politics?00:18
pupnikfun, offtopic00:18
Tama^2yay, offtopic fun00:18
elbTama^2: because I think you're either confused about what I said, or deliberately misconstruing it00:18
elbKotCzarny: even if you include "illegal immigrants", I'm sure at least 1 out of 1000 people in the USA participate in the political process00:19
Tama^2(people partecipate in politics by gathering information, forming an opinion and voting)00:19
jottelb: well first its an arbitrary guess, and second, many of those activists are probably not prode of the achievements the gouverment made00:19
elbbut my original point wasn't even to talk about the USA, you might notice, I simply used it as a case study and it was run with :-)00:19
KotCzarnyelb: usa will be no more (soon)00:19
KotCzarnynwo is coming00:19
KotCzarnyalso usa is 200yo00:20
jottor even proud :) /me buys a spelling bee00:20
elbjott: sure, in any nation there are things to be proud of and things to change00:20
KotCzarnythat means it's hard to tell who are those americans yo're talking about00:20
* leif__ is a
elbbut I see no problem in people having pride in those things worth being proud of00:20
Tama^2elb: it just seemed to me that you had implicitly taken a nationalist's position00:20
KotCzarnypride is a sin00:20
elbTama^2: maybe you should reread what I said00:21
elbTama^2: what I said, originally, is that I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of one's nationality in and of itself00:21
elband I'll stand by that00:21
Tama^2it is wrong00:21
pupnikspeaking of pride KotCzarny, did you and Jott work-out what should be done about mouse/stylus tracking in uae4all ? ;)00:21
Tama^2and a bit ridicolous00:21
Tama^2I mean, of course you can be00:22
Tama^2I do not mind00:22
pupnik(i joking! but asking seriously too)00:22
Tama^2but I find it funny and antiquated00:22
KotCzarnypupnik: breakfast time00:22
* jott slaps pupnik for trying to be on-topic00:22
elbthat's fine, you're welcome to your opinion00:22
pupnikok guten appetit00:22
KotCzarnycoding will continue shortly afterwards00:22
elband I'm welcome to find that opinion funny and naïve00:22
elband we're in complete agreement :-)00:22
elbfunny isn't the right term ... sad is closer00:23
pupnikjott: would it be much trouble to share a binary that has your patch applied?  i'm not sure why it's not working here (lemm2)00:23
elbbecause down that route lies things like *not* condemning Mugabe's Zimbabwe for forbidding ownership to foreign nationals and whites00:23
jott"i'm proud to be a water-boarder" *scnr* :)00:23
skyn3tlooks like Huawei E220 HSDPA modem works with N81000:23
Tama^2elb: that is clearly a fallacy in you reasoning, but this isn't the place to discuss this stuff00:24
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elbno, it's not00:24
Tama^2and I shall go back to my work now00:24
elbyou may not agree, but I definitely see the connection00:24
elb(it's all of a piece with relative morality)00:24
jottpupnik: yeah well i guess it might be a problem with different resolutions.. i actually started looking into the use of the full resolutions00:24
KotCzarnyskyn3t: remember that nokia's usb port isn't meant to give more than 100-200mA00:25
elbone should be free to pass judgements, and pride of nationality is simply a judgement that says "I have analzyed my nation, and there are things there I like"00:25
lcuk_3100ma tops00:25
pupnikjott: that's a good thing to look into! :)00:25
KotCzarnybut 4xAA pack should work on the go00:25
elbbut ... I agree, this is not going to end in a productive manner00:25
skyn3tKotCzarny, you mean additional battery pack for the modem ?00:25
lcuk_3100ma is the specified ampage available to a standard usb device to initialize itself and communicate its requirements.   it is also the specification for usb otg :)00:25
Super_CasSHOULD I BUY A N80000:26
KotCzarnyskyn3t: yes00:26
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KotCzarnySuper_Cas: SHOULD YOU TURN OFF THE CAPS ?00:26
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skyn3tyeah looks like that thing needs around 700mA00:26
KotCzarnyyou can glue battery pack to modem itself00:27
lcuk_3no usb should ever try to pull more than 500, and no device should ever supply more than 50000:27
elband devices which want 500 should negotiate it first00:28
elb(but many do not)00:28
lcuk_3yes, hence the 100ma limit on init00:28
KotCzarnyanyway, having a cellphone is handy anyway00:28
skyn3tso, I wonder for that specific modem00:28
skyn3twill it work with battery supplied by N81000:28
skyn3tor do I need to go external00:29
KotCzarnyif you read it correctly to draw 700mA00:29
lcuk_3n810 ONLY supplies 100ma - usb OTG is not expected to give out more00:29
Super_Casis the N800 battery good00:29
lcuk_3thats why some keyboards work and others dont00:29
lcuk_3mine draws 100ma, and works until i press multiple keys then it crashes 81000:30
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skyn3tah so probably external then00:30
skyn3twell thats not an issue00:30
lcuk_3use a powered hub and then the +vs come from there and not the device00:31
smackpotatothere is a hub powered by batterys somewhere00:32
lcuk_3and i also remember hearing about some power injecting thing for 770 host mode?00:32
smackpotatoya thoughtfix did that i think00:33
skyn3tlcuk_3, poweredhub ?00:33
lcuk_3yer, a usb hub with a power adapter plugging into it00:33
lcuk_3all devices then get their power from the adapter and not from the host machine00:33
skyn3tah ok00:34
smackpotatoradio shack has one00:35
KotCzarnyi still think cheap phone can be better00:35
* lcuk_3 lots of standard usb hubs have an adapter socket on the side, but are sold without a power adapter in the box. if you need power you can just add it - check any you have lying around00:36
lcuk_3-/me ;)00:36
skyn3tKotCzarny, building a dedicated, easy to use solution, so phone is not an option00:38
skyn3tbut I agree probably cheaper00:38
KotCzarnyand easy to use too00:39
skyn3tother thing I was looking at is Sony VAIO VGN-UX180P00:39
KotCzarnyonce it's configured it's a simple turn on cell/dial ppp00:39
skyn3tit had EDGE integrated00:39
KotCzarnynot bad, what's the price?00:41
skyn3t$400 or so right now on ebay00:41
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skyn3tI think it has been discountinued00:41
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KotCzarnyand it's sony00:41
KotCzarnythough sonys had very good battery life00:41
KotCzarnyfrom my experience00:42
KotCzarnyand it doesn't do gsm/cdma00:42
KotCzarnyor i'm bling00:43
skyn3thave you seen samsung q1 ultra00:43
jottthose umpc are still quite big00:44
skyn3tyeah I was wondering00:44
skyn3thow is that compared in size00:44
skyn3tto N81000:44
jott the page you linked has a size comparision00:44
skyn3tso I-mate would be the n81000:45
KotCzarnysomething in between00:46
KotCzarnyit's a little taller than pepsi00:47
jottand thinner than a htc universal :)00:47
skyn3tQ1 has optional HSDPA module it seems00:48
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KotCzarnynewer q1 revision also has keyboard00:48
pupnikKotCzarny: i want to be evaluating 'ocs' demos right?
KotCzarnyargh. tiny.pl00:49
pupnikfrom what i just read, ocs should work with uae4all00:50
KotCzarnythat page came up blank00:50
pupnikoh sry00:50
unixSnobany1 know of a ram-mounts part number that will interface w/ the N800?00:50 - filtering demos by chipset ocs00:50
KotCzarnystill blank00:50
KotCzarnyprobably junkbuster got it00:51
KotCzarnyecs probably will work too00:52
KotCzarny#define long_fetch_ecs_weird()00:54
KotCzarnysprres = RES_SUPERHIRES00:54
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KotCzarny        bplcon4 = 0x11; /* Get AJA chipset into ECS compatibility mode */00:55
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KotCzarnyi think aga emulation is here too00:55
pupnik'my' old Zenith 110 had 640x400 in 8 colors (3 bitplanes).. a nice compromise for a 1984 (?) computer00:56
KotCzarnyamiga is 1984 too00:56
pupnikoh wow00:56
pupnikaga was amiga 1200?00:56
KotCzarnyand 400000:56
pupnikby the way, it was interesting to compare to PSP uae4all... source is available00:57
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KotCzarnypsp is arm too?00:57
pupnikdon't remember - maybe 'mips' - ~ 333mhz or so00:58
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pupniknow i need modplug for maemo-xmms :)01:01
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jottpupnik: use schism tracker :P01:01
KotCzarnyi believe there was uade plug for xmms01:01
jott :)01:02
pupnikpotamus - extremely lightweight GTK-based audio player01:02
pupnikxmms-modplug - ModPlug plugin for XMMS01:02
pupnikignore potamus dorry01:02
pupnikcool jott01:02
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pupnikhmm why is my mmc2 read-only?01:05
KotCzarnybut seriously, check dmesg01:05
pupnik[83637.593750] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled01:06
pupnik[83650.421875] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled01:06
pupnikabout 100 of those...?01:06
KotCzarnythat's only about dsp waking/sleeping i believe01:07
pupnikoh hehe ok01:07
pupnikNokia-N810-50-2:~# fuser -m /media/mmc201:08
pupnikbut there is no process 15004 :/01:09
KotCzarnyps ax|grep 15004 ?01:09
pupnikjust returns the grep01:09
pupnikspooky violins01:10
KotCzarny[171491.781250] menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VDCDC3'01:10
KotCzarnythat mean removing mmc/sd card really saves power01:10
KotCzarnyit's powered even when not mounted01:10
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Tama^2yes, but when idle the card is put in low power mode01:11
KotCzarnynot mine i think01:11
Tama^2unfortunately some cards (my SDHC) draw the same amount of power even in low power mode01:12
Tama^2they are crap cards01:12
* KotCzarny has 2 kingstons01:12
Tama^2I had 2x 16Gb SDHC01:12
KotCzarny4 and 8 here01:12
Tama^2sold them because with them in the battery would last 25 hours VS almost 10 days without01:13
pupnikmaemo-lau has a ton of open files01:13
KotCzarnywhat are you using now?01:13
KotCzarnypupnik: kill it! ;)01:13
Tama^2nothing, I gave up on using the tablet for media playback01:13
KotCzarnytama: hehe01:13
KotCzarnyi wonder which would behave the best01:14
KotCzarnymmc 1gb/mmc 2gb/sd 1|2/sdhc >101:14
pupnik4GB kingston class-6 mini-SD seems to be reasonable - but i have little experience away from power long term01:14
pupniki don't want 'mediaplay' or 'metalayer' running :/01:15
jotti want the bme source :)01:16
pupnikoh nice /etc/init.d/mediaplayer-daemon seems to be ok01:16
jottclosed source power managment stuff01:16
KotCzarnydecompile it?01:16
KotCzarnycould be fun for a long winter nights01:17
jottKotCzarny: yeah too much effort..01:17
BrainsI am still somewhat confused as to why every app seems to only want to offer you multimedia files if they are on flash...  Respect the NFS already!01:17
KotCzarnybrains: i hate media libraries too01:17
jottKotCzarny: tell me about it! :)01:17
KotCzarnyyou can join my petition for a file browsers in media players!01:17
KotCzarnybut you just gave us (and media players developers a valid point)01:18
lcuk_3media library when done correctly can overcome the deficiencies of a slow file system.  however the crawler should be intelligent enough to work without effecting the rest of the system01:18
BrainsAnybody know how to turn off the predictive text stuff?01:18
jottand it should be possible to easily add folders :)01:18
KotCzarnylcuk: yeah, i would like to see metalayer-crawl on nfs01:18
jott(to scan)01:19
KotCzarnythat would be fun01:19
pupniki can predict what i'm typing now01:19
lcuk_3yes brains, in control panel/text input settings on the final languages tab is  another settings button. inside there is the tickboxes you seek.    notice how nokia put them close to hand for you ;)01:19
pupniksorry eh01:19
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* lcuk_3 knows why his code couldnt get over 27fps01:21
Brainslcuk_3: You know, I did look there and just missed it entirely.01:21
lcuk_3(for fullscreen)01:21
* Brains <- Fail01:21
lcuk_3it took me ages to totally get rid of the osk totally01:22
pupnikosk was taking up cpu?01:22
KotCzarnyeven hidden?01:22
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lcuk_3lol, nope - at 800*480 YUV, the update is limited to 27fps flicker free.  when i warm my cpu up now i can drop each glyph 6 times per frame before it goes slower than 27fps01:23
* Brains did redeem himself earlier though... Nethack is now installed.01:23
lcuk_3for instance, if i draw the page 10 times i get about 20fps01:23
pupniki have no entry for /media/mmc2 in /etc/fstab on os2008 - is this normal?01:24
lcuk_3but if i draw it 1 times its 27fps01:24
KotCzarnypupnik: yes01:24
lcuk_3but if i draw it 0 times its 27fps01:24
KotCzarnymmc-mount ignores fstab anyway01:24
pupnikoop pardon me01:24
jottpupnik: you could probably still do "mount -o rw,remount /media/mmc2"01:25
KotCzarny..and lose data01:25
pupnikthanks i keep forgetting that01:25
jottKotCzarny: pfff :)01:25
KotCzarnythere was a reason to get it ro01:26
jottvfat can't loose data :>01:26
KotCzarnyand should be checked first01:26
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KotCzarnyjott, yeah...01:26
pupnikdmesg:  mmcblk1: p1 exceeds device capacity01:26
jottpupnik: broken partition table ;)01:27
jottit's the internal 2gb partition?01:27
KotCzarnysfdisk can be used to reread partition table01:27
pupnikit's all JA2''s fault!01:27
jottit is known to have a broken partition table ..01:27
jottdon't you read the channel logs :P01:27
jottno seriously it's a known issue01:28
jottmine was wrong too01:28
KotCzarnyon n-gage it was a trick to hide part of mmc card01:28
jotti have / on it now anyway ;)01:28
pupnikso i re-fdisk ?01:28
jottpupnik: yeah backup, and make a proper table01:28
lcuk_3ok, ssh time - i am trybing to set the current path before i run my program.  the following used to work, but my current path was unknown and i had to hard write paths in to quickly get round the issue01:29
lcuk_3ssh root@ DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq/liqreader01:30
lcuk_3i have tried changing it to:01:30
lcuk_3ssh root@ DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; liqreader"01:30
lcuk_3but its not working... any ideas?01:30
KotCzarnymake a sh script01:30
* Brains did that a couple of days ago.. mostly because he was pretty sure that the internal memory wasn't on the order of 8.4TB or so...01:30
lcuk_3kot, thats what it is01:31
KotCzarnyyou can cd in a script01:31
KotCzarnyi think01:31
lcuk_3ssh sends over a small script..   it works for other things01:31
KotCzarnyalso you can do export DISPLAY in a script too01:31
KotCzarnythat will shorten your line considerably01:32
lcuk_3ahhhaaa     now this runs:    ssh root@ DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader"01:32
lcuk_3but the DISPLAY is not being passed over so sdl fails01:32
KotCzarnyextend "01:33
KotCzarnyssh root@ "export DISPLAY=:0.0; cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader"01:33
KotCzarnyor simply:01:34
KotCzarnyssh root@ "DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq//liqreader"01:34
lcuk_3ahh i never needed the export line01:34
lcuk_3but i just tried your second and it failed01:34
KotCzarnyover ssh it can be weird01:34
lcuk_3:D Yehhhhhhhh with export it works01:34
lcuk_3now i can call it from any folder and it picks up things from where it is01:35
lcuk_3but my test script will init with it in the proper place with test data01:35
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jottlcuk_3: it not nice to make folders in /usr/bin :P01:36
lcuk_3no shit sherlock01:36
lcuk_3lol it was the first place i found that worked01:36
lcuk_3and i needed a subfolder cos mine were getting lost01:36
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lcuk_3i will have it somewhere else as soon as i take a breath01:36
jottlcuk_3: /usr/share/$APPNAME is for stuff01:36
KotCzarnyor /usr/local/share01:37
lcuk_3but when i have 10 apps01:37
jottwell $PREFIX/share/$APPNAME ;)01:37
* lcuk_3 didnt want this discussion yet ;)01:37
jottbut if you package it, it should go to /usr/share :)01:37
KotCzarnyand sometimes /usr/lib or /usr/libexec01:38
KotCzarnybut that's a little special01:38
* lcuk_3 is still scared of the linux fs01:39
jotthehe you should see the mess of a windows fs :P01:40
KotCzarnyor apple01:40
* KotCzarny shrugs01:40
lcuk_3scarily enough, i understand winfs for now01:40
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* lcuk_3 dies a little inside01:40
jottactually lsb makes it quite clear where stuff has to go01:40
KotCzarnyunderstand is a wrong word, 'accustomed' is better01:41
lcuk_3ill accept that answer kot :)01:41
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puttersonHow hard would it be to turn an N810 into an input device for a desktop?01:44
lcuk_3i have it already01:44
lcuk_3its my remote control for when im playing movies on desktop01:44
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puttersonI was thinking more of a tablet...mouse01:44
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jottputterson: vnc?01:44
puttersonoh right01:45
puttersoncould you make it so it wouldn't use up bandwidth transmitting the screen?01:45
lcuk_3i could see nokia supplying a magnified view under the current cursor01:45
lcuk_3and stroking the nokia moves the desktop cursor01:45
KotCzarnythat's a nice tool01:45
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puttersondamn windows01:46
lcuk_3use it like a laptop trackpad01:46
KotCzarnyx2x allows the keyboard and mouse on one ("from") X display to control another ("to") X display.01:46
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puttersonYeah and windows doesn't use an X server01:47
jott"x2x has a long history. It was born in the times when life was hard, window managers were simple and displays were rectangle. " haha ;)01:47
KotCzarnyputterson: yeah, they will invent it again and clain the ownership01:49
jottand patent it!01:49
KotCzarnyand name it 'revolutionary'01:50
christefanopupnik: I heard back from zlt. his version of GnuPG was compiled for OS 200601:50
KotCzarnyor some other pr crap01:50
jottKotCzarny: actually that's apple not ms we are talking about, right? ;)01:50
KotCzarnyjott: both01:50
jottindeed ;)01:50
KotCzarnyat least apple had nice computer cases01:50
KotCzarnywhich m$ tried to copy01:50
KotCzarnyand failed01:50
KotCzarnymany many times01:50
lcuk_3anyone know offhand the client space for a hildon window?   (in pixels)01:51
puttersonanyways so I was thinkink about using my N810 like a laptop trackpad01:51
KotCzarnyi believe01:51
KotCzarnyfor horizontal01:51
lcuk_3thx, anyone have height?01:51
jottputterson: whats the problem of using vnc? its a nice addon to see the desktop ;)01:51
puttersonjott, but wouldn't it really bog down the N810?01:52
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KotCzarnyputterson: you are thinking m$ apps01:52
puttersonO.K., can you recommend any good clients?01:53
KotCzarnyfor both *nix and m$01:53
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KotCzarnybut i don't know if it's the right app01:53
KotCzarnyi believe you want to use IT as a tablet01:54
KotCzarnyfor a windows01:54
puttersonso what vnc clients are there for os200801:54
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KotCzarnyi don't know if there is a way for remote input on windows01:54
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KotCzarnyother than rdesktop01:54
KotCzarnyyeah, try rdesktop client01:54
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KotCzarnythat will control windows01:55
puttersonKotCzarny, I have a vnc server on my windows box01:55
KotCzarnythen vnc is ok01:55
puttersonI was just asking to a pointer to a vnc client for my tablet01:55
KotCzarnythere should be one, i think01:55
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lcuk_3its available from maemo.org01:58
lcuk_3strangely enough i prefer it oriented the other way round01:59
lcuk_3i seem to do more in lists on the pc and it fits better rotated 90deg with less scrolling around (1280*1024 desktop)02:01
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AcglaphotisHey, can you tell me how to load the serial usb driver on an N800 with OS2008?02:10
KotCzarnymodprobe usb-serial ?02:10
KotCzarnyjust kidding02:10
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Acglaphotisthanks : d02:12
Acglaphotis*: D02:12
Acglaphotismy connection is dropping, did i send that twice?02:13
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KotCzarnysent what?02:13
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KotCzarnyhis connection must be dropping02:13
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lcuk_3there wa sa lag storm warning given earlier02:16
KotCzarnynever noticed02:16
KotCzarny  |> 7 Days - Chakra Vs Xerox And Illuminati (Goa_Vol_11)02:16
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AcglaphotisHey, does anyone knows if there is any PPP apps for the N800?02:40
Acglaphotisi haven't found any02:41
KotCzarnythey can be named weird02:41
KotCzarnylike dialer or something02:41
pupnikcu ?02:41
KotCzarnycallers united?02:42
pupniki remember when slip came out02:42
pupnikNCSA Champaigne-Urbana and the University of Minnesota were into that02:43
pupnikand Gopher :)02:43
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pupnikmaemo 2.0 / mistral had gcc 4.3 ...
KotCzarnysource away then?02:44
KotCzarnyand you still overlooking a :02:45
pupnikit's just curious why we're still on gcc codesourcery 200502:45
KotCzarny'if it works, use it'02:45
* pupnik looks at watch02:45
Acglaphotishmm... im trying to use a usb modem with my n800 but the description of cu only mentions bluetooth?02:45
KotCzarnyprobably there was a hell of work to get it to work02:46
pupnikyes - on he other hand companies like TI and Nokia should be investing in gcc02:47
pupnikintel wants to eat their lunch...  and I hate intel02:48
Acglaphotisdo you guys know if cu would work with an usb modem?, or should i just recompile pppd for my n800 (could that work?)02:49
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pupniki want to be like a quasar ejecting open source software, fueled by a black hole of hate :)02:49
KotCzarnyok, start now02:50
Acglaphotisoops, i just saw that pon is installed, so i figure that pppd is also installed by default?02:50
pupnikdon't know how to talk to usb devices02:50
pupniki'm a dinosaur from the tty era02:50
KotCzarnyusb-serial looks like a tty02:50
KotCzarnyi believe02:50
Acglaphotisit uses a /dev/ttysomething02:50
KotCzarnyit emulates regular serial device02:51
pupnikso no crazy drivers and custom i/o02:51
KotCzarnyso minicom etc. will work02:51
KotCzarnyyeah, as long kernel driver is loaded02:51
pupnikwow, the industry can still make some sense02:51
Acglaphotisim retarded... pppd and pon are already installed so i just have to edit /etc/ppp/peers...02:51
KotCzarnyAcglaphotis: :)02:52
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KotCzarnynow for your punishment you will have to write them 100 times02:52
AcglaphotisThanks guys : D02:53
pupnik pspuae has auto-zoom02:54
pupnikbut we dont' want that02:54
pupniknot their software anyway02:54
KotCzarnyone thing at a time02:54
pupnikjust looking at their features for ideas02:55
pupnikhere's what pisses me off02:56
pupnikv0.1 -Initial release. Very alpha, no sound, runs at about 85% speed of a real Amiga 500.02:56
pupnikah well with no sound that does make it easier02:56
lcuk_3i think a high resolution + fast + swish interface is possible for this device :)02:56
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pupnikkeep at it lcuk_302:56
lcuk_3pupnik, i might want you to test something for me soon :)02:56
lcuk_3it looks very interesting02:57
pupnikscrollyness makes me happy02:57
lcuk_3and could possibly help you to that autoscaling goal02:57
lcuk_3do you have a 100% requirement for rgb in sdl, or is there an internal choice to use yuv?02:58
Acglaphotisuhm... modprobe usb-serial throws me " modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep", any ideas?02:58
KotCzarnyAcglaphotis: you don't have any modules installed02:58
KotCzarnyother than those in initfs02:59
AcglaphotisKotCzarny: Im having a premonition about that not being good02:59
KotCzarnylet me see what kernel has in the way of usb drivers02:59
KotCzarnyyou're in luck03:00
KotCzarnythere are many of them03:00
pupnikthat would be really great to get your experience applied to uae4all framebuffer handling lcuk_303:00
KotCzarnyone will have to compile/copy them03:00
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KotCzarnyi can compile you a generic one03:00
Acglaphotisthx leif__03:01
KotCzarnyno need to compile? ok03:01
KotCzarnyi'm off to code03:01
AcglaphotisKotCzarny: Don't worry i can do it03:01
pupnikhave you looked at the vkbd code yet KotCzarny ?03:02
Acglaphotisthanks and bye03:02
leif__np, i haven't tried it though... just read about it03:02
lcuk_3how fast have we got amiga workbench running now?   is cygnus editor working yet?03:02
KotCzarnypupnik: not yet03:02
pupniki saw the #define enabled but didn't go hunting either03:02
KotCzarnytried to enable it but could make it work03:02
KotCzarnylccuk: yes03:02
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lcuk_3that sounds interesting.03:03
KotCzarnybut at lowres03:03
KotCzarnygp2x is mainly for games03:03
KotCzarnyso it uses 320x240 mode03:03
lcuk_3why are we trying to emulate it though?   hasn't anyone tried reimplimenting wb, or wasnt workbench opensourced?03:03
pupnikalso if the amiga is really paletted internally, we might look into 8-bit RGB->yuv03:03
KotCzarnylcuk: it wasn't03:04
lcuk_3no, the amiga is internally bit planed03:04
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lcuk_3there is a really slow planar to chunky bit rotation function needed03:04
pupnikok i saw a sdl pallette datastructure somewheres.  there's probably some trash left in the codebase03:04
pupnikbut it's refreshingly direct compared to bloaty PC-based emus03:05
lcuk_3i remember it from the final days of amiga.  when pc 3d games came out using vga 8bit chunky pixels resolution came out the planar principal failed.03:05
pupnikat least the sound backend :)03:05
lcuk_3alien breed was one of the games which included it03:05
pupnikcurse you ibm03:05
lcuk_3it was a totally different style of graphics that the amiga could not work well with03:06
lcuk_3if we use the low 4-16 color windows on offer in the high resolution, the situation is easier with less bits to flip03:06
pupnikamiga came out ... 1984-5?03:06
pupnikvga came out ... 90? 91?03:07
lcuk_3i had an amiga until 9803:07
* KotCzarny still has a500 in the closet03:07
KotCzarnywith scsi adapter + 8mb simm in it03:07
lcuk_3my 1200 died03:07
pupnikwell xomap is taking up like 6-9% cpu right now03:08
pupnikthat should be reduceable greatly03:08
KotCzarnyi doubt it03:08
lcuk_3i couldnt afford to fix it, i needed a job.  got some quals and stepped down to vb.  its been like methadone to me.  i think in c.03:09
* KotCzarny did a project in asp, once03:09
KotCzarnyi still have that creepy feeling03:09
lcuk_3i have just had a crazy idea03:10
pupniksshh  the channel is logged03:10
lcuk_3you know this guy who does the wiimote stuff with sticky balls and leds - the head tracking etc.  why dont we use the camera in the 810 like that03:10
pupnikhah awesome03:11
KotCzarnybecause cam is crappy03:11
lcuk_3you could stand it infront of your pc monitor and wave your pen in the air to control big screen (or small one)03:11
KotCzarnyand cpu is underpowered03:11
lcuk_3cam == crappy for family portrait, but v good for filtering and tracking a target03:11
lcuk_3the cpu can handle it just fine03:11
lcuk_3you underestimate it03:12
lcuk_3i did03:12
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KotCzarnyit does 4fps @ 640x48003:12
pupnikreading from camera?03:12
lcuk_3i have full screen flicker free rendering of a page of text rendered at 27fps03:12
pupniki think camera app refreshes ~4-5 fps or something03:13
lcuk_3but thats fine for a magic trick03:13
KotCzarnyat 320x240 it's ~16fps03:13
lcuk_3its something to talk about03:13
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lcuk_3look here iPhone, can you do THIS?03:14
pupnikfacial recognition logins :P03:14
pupnik(hold up a photo) :)03:15
lcuk_3nahhhh - but quite nice to take a pic of you before personalising the interface03:15
KotCzarnyhello dave03:15
lcuk_3heh, i have a box drawn on my notepad, all it has written on it is "Hello..."03:15
lcuk_3i was going to ask their name and take a picture03:15
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lcuk_3when they start the app, it just shows the faces of recent people who have used it03:16
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lcuk_3click to login and enter password03:16
lcuk_3read books, browse the web play games, come and chat or anything else03:17
lcuk_3(by the way i havent got a blog so here will do ;)03:17
pupnikok i'm off for my nightly economics lecture03:19
pupnikhope to be less useless tomorrow03:19
KotCzarnythat would be cool on 80003:19
KotCzarny810 has camera exposed all the time03:19
lcuk_3all the better to see you with03:20
KotCzarnyor spy03:20
lcuk_3would you ever put your device online03:20
lcuk_3live camera feed03:20
* lcuk_3 covers his camera up with another sticker from now on03:21
lcuk_3i suppose if it were marked to a private ftp, the data would not be a problem and could help in the chance of a robbery03:22
puttersonDoes anybody know where airodump-ng saves its cap files?03:22
lcuk_3every login uploads an image from the camera to your private webspace03:22
lcdddoes usb-audio work on maemo?03:22
KotCzarnylcuk: make a script to do it03:23
lcuk_3for the "common" crook, the chances that they would reflash a device before trying it out would be remote03:23
lcuk_3hell, thats a wicked smart idea03:23
KotCzarnyas long they don't know about it03:23
KotCzarnyalso, you can log gps data03:24
KotCzarnywith the pic03:24
KotCzarnyassuming you get gps working03:24
lcuk_3obscurity will win.  a piece of software on a single platform of a single type of smart device being widely known to have to re-flash (and how to get that info) becoming common knowledge to a magpie?03:25
lcuk_3gps displays the icon and takes to fucking long to lock03:25
KotCzarnymake your own app then?03:26
KotCzarnythat runs without gui03:26
RayTracer`lcuk_3 I lock the fastest when there's nothing directly overhead and I hold the left side facing skywards03:26
lcuk_3"please stand with your hands in the air (facing north) for 60 minutes whilst we get a lock and tell the user where you are"03:26
KotCzarnyand aim out lazers03:26
RayTracer`lcuk_3 between 45s and 2mins to lock usually03:27
KotCzarnyhow about averaging?03:27
RayTracer`on average it's between 45s and 2 mins03:27
KotCzarnyie. getting few fast estimates?03:27
KotCzarnyor it doesn't support 'usure' mode?03:27
elbthis GPS thing cracks me up03:28
elbmine locks its GPS in a minute or so under most reasonable conditions03:29
elbthere has to be more to all these problems people complain about03:29
lcuk_3my missus who was the prime user - being a new driver - would like the ability to *ahem* relocate and reorient herself after a wrong turning *ahem*, but upon making said mistake 60 minutes after leaving the house with it in the dash and still not fucking locked lost trust with the device03:29
RayTracer`I'm convinced that there has not been a worse gps in mankind's history03:29
RayTracer`than the one in n81003:29
lcuk_3its no good as a tool if it cannot be relied upon03:29
RayTracer`my free phone has a built in gps that's better03:29
lcuk_3i paid good money for this because it had gps03:30
KotCzarnythen n800 is superior to n81003:30
lcuk_3nokia need to get this dealt with03:30
KotCzarnybecause you can get a good bt gps for the price difference03:30
KotCzarnyand have it for other uses even after n800 gets to the closet03:30
lcuk_3yes, and in future i will do that. keep dedicated gps unit in the vehicle and just connect with whatever i arrive at the car using03:31
lcddthe problem with these multimedia gadgets is that you can't expect any of the features to work properly03:31
lcuk_3but look across at the n95.03:31
lcuk_3its the same frikkin series and it works a damn sight better from what i can see03:31
RayTracer`n95 is a superstar with high end everything03:32
RayTracer`the 16gb built in is so nice03:33
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KotCzarnybut draws power too?03:33
RayTracer`no it runs on sunshine and happy thoughts03:33
lcuk_3actually, looking - the n95 gps is as bad as this03:34
lcddRayTracer`: which there are none :|03:34
lcuk_3they have all the same kinds of "hold it to the sky - pray for 45 minutes stand on one leg03:34
* lcuk_3 feels a bit better knowing that03:35
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KotCzarny  |> Psytisfaction - VA (Psytisfaction 3)03:35
Tama^2lcuk_3: funny, open the phone stand on one leg and chant a prayer... it may work!03:36
KotCzarnyno better cheer up than knowing someone else is hurting too03:36
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Drizzt321on an n800, where would I go to add an additional repostitory, and then refresh the available packages/03:38
KotCzarnyin application manager03:38
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lcuk_3ive set my screen to blank after a period of no activity, any idea how to stop it happening when my program is running?03:40
KotCzarnylook into mplayer sources03:40
Drizzt321I'm doing this over the phone with my mother, so I don't have one in front of me. Where in the App Manager KotCzarny03:40
KotCzarnythey have figured it out03:40
lcuk_3yer i thought i might have to03:40
pupnikwhat book was Drizzt Durden (sp?) from?03:40
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KotCzarnydrizzt: greenmenu -> settings03:41
Drizzt321pupnik, no clue, I got it from the D&D campaign setting03:41
Drizzt321KotCzarny, greenmenu?03:41
KotCzarnythose 3 green swuares03:41
pupnikaah Icewind Dale03:41
pupnik  Drizzt32103:42
Drizzt321KotCzarny, she's in App Manager...where in app manager is the repositories?03:42
KotCzarnyclick on triangle left of title03:43
KotCzarnythen tpools > app catalog03:43
KotCzarnyand it's there03:43
KotCzarnyyou can add/edit them03:43
smackpotatowhat keeps the display lit in nokia 77003:48
Drizzt321KotCzarny, I hate being family phone tech support03:48
KotCzarnydrizzt: keep faith03:49
Drizzt321I'm trying03:49
KotCzarnyat least you can scream at them03:49
Drizzt321sometimes I have to keep myself from screaming03:49
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smackpotatoi made a small program to  do fake mouse clicks. it failed03:49
KotCzarnysmack: probably dbus messaging03:49
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KotCzarnybut as i said, look at mplayer sources03:50
Drizzt321I asked her to go to the menu...and she just read me what was on the main screen of the app manager.03:50
KotCzarnythat menu is 'hidden'03:51
Drizzt321yea, I know03:51
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sotoDoes Microb support MathML by default (or otherwise)/03:52
KotCzarnytry it?03:52
sotoI went to a page and it seemed not to work. Don't have a wireless connection right now to check further.03:53
KotCzarnythen probably it doesn't03:53
KotCzarnyfor now03:53
sotoThat was unhelpful :(03:54
soto^ It seems like it is enabled?03:54
KotCzarnyscm is development tree i guess03:54
sotoKotCzarny: It's not bleeding edge. 5 months ago.03:55
sotoIn trunk03:55
KotCzarnyand package was from when?03:55
sotoIt has been updated within the last 5 months, definitely.03:55
KotCzarnythen how is that trunk is older than package?03:56
sotoKotCzarny: It's a single file. Not all files are updated every revision.03:56
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* lcuk_3 closes his window tight04:09
lcuk_3last week canada farted, today the smell reaches us ;)04:09
KotCzarnyfree methane!04:10
Drizzt321finally she has it. thanks for the help KotCzarny!04:11
lcuk_3i actually imagine the canadian mounties flying over on hang-gliders but then again my sense of humour is a bit wonky04:11
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Drizzt321maybe I should just get one myself so I can make sure I know exactly what she is seeing04:12
KotCzarnydrizzt: i believe screenshots will be enough04:12
KotCzarnythere's a nice app to do it04:12
Drizzt321KotCzarny, but she would have no clue how to do that04:12
KotCzarnyhas delayed mode too04:12
KotCzarnyyeah, i figured out getting resulting file could be problematic04:13
KotCzarnyunless you install ssh on her tablet04:13
lcuk_3but she will have to reflash first04:13
KotCzarnyand get it yourself ;)04:13
KotCzarnywill she?04:13
lcuk_3i believe so.  and the windows flasher tool is broken on her vista machine.  she will have to install linux as well04:14
KotCzarnylcuk: methane got you04:14
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mchanganyone around tonight?04:27
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smackpotatotools application cadalog04:30
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mchanghey smack04:33
smackpotatowhats up04:34
mchangmostly being idle04:35
mchangbeen in and out of here looking for ppl doing actual dev on the n800 :)04:36
KotCzarnyyou've been at the wrong time then04:36
smackpotatok i just made my first small program today so i wont be much help04:37
mchanglol... i'm working on my first programs for the device the past couple days too04:38
mchangwe are not going to be helpful for each other :)04:38
lcuk_3you can be more helpful than you think04:39
lcuk_3talk about what you discover along the way04:39
KotCzarnyand take notes04:39
KotCzarnyand publish tehm04:39
mchangi have been posting to maemo-dev04:39
mchanga couple messages here and there04:39
mchangKotCzarny: yup, that's what the internal trac system/wiki is for04:40
KotCzarnythen it's of no use04:40
mchangwell, i'm posting stuff as it gets useful04:40
lcuk_3im goin 2 bed, nite folks04:41
KotCzarnygo go04:41
mchangwell, i'll ask my question... anyone use much gstreamer stuff?04:41
KotCzarnyfor now i would like to use direct hw banging04:42
mchangKotCzarny: so, how do you get audio in and out? alsa? oss-media-server?04:43
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mchangah, ok.04:44
KotCzarnyas soon as i learn dsptasks i will use them direcyly04:44
mchangi just posted this to dev... but the volume of the mic input seems really low post wavenc using gst04:44
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cLindoes anyone use a car mount for their tablet?05:23
KotCzarnysuperglue + velcro?05:24
KotCzarnythis way it can be mounted on driving wheel..05:25
KotCzarnycan be dangerous though05:26
KotCzarnyie. watching while driving05:26
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Tama^2I am not entirely sure it is something I would advice05:26
Tama^2right right05:26
KotCzarnyin briton english05:26
KotCzarnyin amo english your version is correct05:27
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KotCzarnyi think05:27
Tama^2now that you mention it I suspect it may be wrong either way05:28
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cLinanyone use maemo mapper inhere?05:36
* KotCzarny <---05:36
cLinare you ever sitting in the car for a while and havethis happen05:36
cLinwhere the gps sort of trails off course?05:36
KotCzarnyi don't have gps05:36
cLini was sitting in a gas station waiting for a car to finish when i noticed that05:36
cLinok, anyone with a gps using maemo mapper in here? :P05:37
KotCzarnymay be just a disturbance in the force05:38
modebitIt is an interesting deviation05:38
derfGPS doesn't work very well when you're stationary.05:38
KotCzarnyor interesting driving05:38
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derfEspecially when you're under a huge canopy obscuring the sky, such as at a gas station.05:39
cLini wasn't under it though05:39
KotCzarnymaybe under influence?05:39
cLini was in thesun waiting for the damn car in front me of to hurry up05:39
modebitHas anyone successfully installed the ESbox plugin for Eclipse?05:40
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KotCzarnyi want a domain there :>05:42
KotCzarnyhow much registering domain here costs?05:44
Prez00_i probably have the only n800 in the whole country, haha05:44
Prez00_$50/year, I think, last time i registered domain here was about 8 years ago...05:45
modebitI was going to say.05:45
KotCzarnyquite costly05:45
cLinanyone know of any sites i can download POIs from for maemo mapper?05:46
KotCzarnyRegistration Fee for most domains: $ 259.0005:46
KotCzarnyi should get me some nice domain05:48
KotCzarnyNicaragua has around 171,600 Telephone lines and 90,000 Internet users05:49
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Prez00_i think that 90K figure might be dated05:51
KotCzarnybut i think this information is outdated05:51
Prez00_should be a bit more than that05:51
Prez00_so any interesting updates to N800 lately?05:53
KotCzarnydefine 'interesting'05:54
Prez00_basically new05:55
KotCzarnydefine 'new'05:55
KotCzarnyi assume you know about os2008 ?05:55
Prez00_I am not at very latest firmware, as I understand it was only a minor bug fix05:55
BrainsI installed nethack earlier..  That counts as interesting, right?05:55
Prez00_yeah, am at os200805:55
Prez00_what's nethack?05:55
KotCzarnykind of roguelike game05:56
Prez00_let me look it up05:56
KotCzarnybut has kitchen sink :P05:56
BrainsI think the lack of knowledge of rogue/nethack should be grounds for nokia seizure...05:57
KotCzarnyor any computer like device05:58
KotCzarnyin that matter05:58
Prez00_is there something that can point out wifi networks with a beep or something, like warn when there are open networks in range?05:59
* Brains is still waiting for a kismet release...06:06
Prez00_kismet on n800 would be great06:07
KotCzarny |> 01-Benny_Benassi_Presents_The_Biz_-_Satisfaction(Skazi_Rmx)-H.S.mp306:09
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BrainsThe kismet guy (dagorn?) apparently has it working and, once sorted out, a release should be in the works.  Check the blog on the kismet site.06:18
KotCzarnydesktop-backgrounds package isn't open source?06:19
KotCzarnygnuchess too?06:20
KotCzarnyah. sorry06:20
KotCzarnywrong column06:20
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KotCzarnynot bad07:23
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cLinwhere is everyone09:05
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KotCzarnywatching adf demos09:06
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christefanois anyone running GnuPG on maemo?09:07
Proteousalways so helpful09:09
KotCzarnycould be worse09:10
Proteousthere could be no sarcasm09:10
Proteousthen it would be much much worse09:10
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KotCzarnythere's always irony for a backup09:11
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* truls wants full gnupg09:19
trulshm, considering the time since last i checked, it's probably available09:19
christefanotruls: I found a version for OS 2006 but so far I haven't seen anything newer09:19
KotCzarny1.4.8 is newest09:20
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christefanothanks, but I just said it wasn't new :P09:22
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KotCzarnyi bet it compiles without a problem09:24
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KotCzarnycompiled ok09:37
KotCzarnyNokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/1/20/gnupg-1.4.8/g10# ./gpg --version09:38
KotCzarnygpg (GnuPG) 1.4.809:38
trulscompile != deb-package available :)09:39
KotCzarnyi'm a slackware man09:39
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KotCzarnyi don't need no deb-packages :)09:39
* truls wont pollute his n80009:40
KotCzarnyhave you got extras enabled?09:40
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KotCzarnyAll 27 tests passed09:42
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christefanoKotCzarny: are you compiling GnuPG?09:46
KotCzarnyit finished already09:46
KotCzarnyand i did make check too09:46
KotCzarnyseems to work out-of-the-box09:46
KotCzarnygrab the sdk and start compiling/packaging :)09:47
KotCzarnythere's even lazy-people vmware image09:47
KotCzarnythat's ready to go in windows09:47
christefanoat the moment that would be me09:47
christefanodoes it work only in Windows?09:48
KotCzarnyvmware isn't windows bound09:48
christefanoso "it's ready to go in Windows" was a nonsequitur? :)09:48
KotCzarnycan be substituted ready to go in linux too09:49
KotCzarnybut if you use linux just grab sdk09:49
KotCzarnyinstallation is 2 scripts09:49
christefanodo you have a URL for the image?09:49
KotCzarnyjust google maemo sdk vmware09:49
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christefanoit will take a few hours for this to download. in the meantime, can the SDK create a deb package?09:51
KotCzarnyif the source is debianized, yes09:52
KotCzarnyif not you will need to create a file or two09:52
KotCzarnycontainig description etc09:52
KotCzarnyi bet you could use the debian/ dir from 1.4.309:52
KotCzarnythen it's a simple one command co build deb package from the source09:53
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KotCzarnyfakeroot dpkg-buildpackage09:53
christefanodarn it. that is easy.09:53
KotCzarny^ command to build09:54
KotCzarnyyeah, only needs some maintenance work, like checking dependencies etc09:54
christefanowell, I did get this N810 because it was an open device09:54
christefanoI'd might as well dive in09:54
KotCzarnysure you should09:54
KotCzarnypart of the fun is creating09:55
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christefanois this channel logged?09:56
christefanoin that case, I won't shout at the top of my lungs how frickin cool this is and how much I love you09:56
KotCzarnybut i haven't created all those tools and howtos09:57
christefanothe howto by GeneralAntiles was pretty darn helpful09:57
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legindis there a changelog for the latest OS2008?10:17
legindmy n800 keeps randomly shutting down - wondering if this latest revision will fix it10:17
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KotCzarnyit can't get any worse (and flashing is 99.9% safe)10:19
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rm_youlegind: mine does the same thing10:32
rm_youseems like since i upgraded to 200810:32
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legindrm_you, which release are you using?10:32
rm_youi'm on the newest now, and it seems to happen still10:32
rm_youthough i think my issue MAY be connected to a hardware problem?10:33
rm_youbut i can't be certain10:33
KotCzarnyrm_you: disabling hw watchdog doesn't help?10:33
rm_youKotCzarny: have not tried it... i was going to, but people said i would just end up with a white screen and a locked up machine10:33
KotCzarnyor at least changing grace period10:33
rm_youinstead of a rebooting one10:33
KotCzarny60sec is quite a short time10:34
KotCzarny5minutes could be reasonable10:34
rm_youalso, this problem is actually a SHUTDOWN, i was under the impression that watchdog did a reboot10:34
rm_youhow would i change that?10:34
KotCzarnyprobably some /proc or /sys file10:34
rm_youalso, i've had it shutdown right in the middle of playing music10:34
rm_youlike, i was clicking things on it, and it was responding10:35
KotCzarnymine rebooted once or twice, but only after i did something stupid as root10:35
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lardmanmorning all10:42
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KotCzarnylardman, what were you hacking?10:43
lardmannah, been on holiday in Oz10:43
lardmanwhy's that?10:43
KotCzarnyi've thought you will come back with gifts10:43
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lardmanno, not a computer in sight, was nice after the first few days getting over the lack-of-information10:44
koshi_Hmm, been trying to find out a possibility of using a usb to vga with n8x0 but so far failed miserably, anyone know anything about it?10:44
KotCzarnyyou could have gotten gcc with you on nokia :)10:44
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lardmanno way, tried that on the Zaurus and it was far too slow10:45
KotCzarnygcc or usbvga?10:45
lardmanI did watch some movies on the n810 though, which I'd never done before10:45
lardmanKotCzarny: gcc10:45
KotCzarnyi ran some gcc compilations on n80010:46
KotCzarnyworked reasonably10:46
KotCzarny(comparing to p3@566)10:46
inzI guess it depends also on what you compile10:46
lardmanthe n8x0 have enough memory, I think that was a major pain on the Zaurus10:46
inzCompiling cmake on n8x0 might take a while10:47
KotCzarnyanother way is ssh :>10:47
inzIIRC g++ was taking at least half-a-gig at some point10:47
KotCzarnyi remember doing -O3 on some uae package10:48
lardmanI've heard people complaining about certain cities not being in the map app, and never really paid it much attention, but Adelaide isn't in there, and it's in a different timezone which was a pita10:48
KotCzarnyeated +700mb ram and my swap ran out10:48
lardmans/map app/world map time app10:48
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lardman~lart unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them10:54
* infobot_ send killer squirrels to attack unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them10:54
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christefanoKotCzarny: my download of the SDK is only 1/3 done. did you by chance make a deb package?11:00
KotCzarnychristefano: nope, i'm watching old ami demos11:00
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KotCzarnyand going to sleep11:00
christefanoah, excellent11:00
christefanosleep does a body good11:01
JaffaMorning, all11:02
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Spakmanhello everyone11:06
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lardmanhas there been a new chinook release in the past few weeks11:19
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X-Fadelardman: Nope, only the boot fix.11:20
lardmanis that the thing that was stopping some n810s from starting up, depending on the hw rev?11:20
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lardmanwhat was the cause, or were we not told?11:21
X-FadeTiming issue in bringing the OMAP up..11:21
X-FadeBootloader fix..11:21
lardmanok, thanks11:21
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X-FadeOnly the bootloader needs to be flashed for that. It is a full FIASCO image, but nothing else changed..11:22
lardmanI've got old hw anyway, just interested to know what was tweaked11:22
X-Fadelardman: Meanwhile we have been working on a maemo extras autobuilder, would you like help beta test it?11:24
lardmanI'm happy to help, but not immediately. Going to be pretty busy catching up for a while11:25
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X-FadeHehe, I can imagine ;)11:25
lardmanwhat autobuilder are you using?11:26
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X-FadeInstructions for maemo extras BuildME:
hrwhi lardman11:27
lardmancool, I'll have a read once I've got through my email backlog :(11:28
lardmanhey hrw, how are you11:28
hrwlardman: fine when Mira allows us to sleep during night11:28
lardmanhrw: new addition to the family?11:31
lardmancongratulations :)11:32
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hrwlardman: toomrrow she will  be 3weeks old11:32
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hrwthx htx11:34
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X-FadeHmm now that Silverlight is supposed to be coming to the tablet, will we see VC-1 support too? :)11:44
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timelythey aren't related11:44
timelyand we couldn't comment unless it was announced11:44
timelybut one would assume that vc-1 was something people wanted to do..11:45
timelythey're different people of course11:45
X-FadeWell, Silverlight is announce here:
X-FadeAnd Silverlight uses VC-1 as video format, but yeah..11:47
timelybtw, did microsoft say it was making the port or did nokia say it was doing it?11:47
X-FadeThere is only info about Silverlight on S60. That is being done by Microsoft..11:48
X-Fade"Microsoft will demonstrate Silverlight on S60 during the opening keyote at Microsoft's MIX08 conference on March 5 in Las Vegas."11:48
timelyoh right11:48
* timely can't reach *.nokia.com11:48
timelyit's a security feature, i think11:49
X-Fade"Espoo, Finland - Nokia today announced plans to make Microsoft Silverlight available for S60 on Symbian OS, the world's leading smartphone software(1), as well as for Series 40 devices and Nokia Internet tablets."11:49
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X-FadeBut that is just an announcement, no details on implementation.11:49
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timely"Microsoft Silverlight available for ... Nokia Internet tablets will be confirmed later"11:50
jaska_not that id want to have anything to do with silverlight :)11:51
timelyX-Fade: you didn't read the annoucement carefully enough :)\11:51
X-Fadetimely: 'availability'11:51
timelytraNS TYPING IS hard :)11:52
timelybut theoretically it could be denied later, no ? :)11:52
X-Fadetimely: So that is just when the announce 'it is available now' ;)11:52
aquatixtimely: yeah11:52
X-FadeSure :)11:52
timelyanyway, i think based on the way it's written, that for now, i'll work under the assumption that ms will do the port11:53
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aquatixthere will be a linux port too11:53
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aquatixso maybe that is going to be ported to maemo then11:53
timelymore likely, yes11:53
aquatixtimely: yeah, as in "port to OS-X, S60 etc"11:54
aquatixand ``linux too''11:54
X-Fadeaquatix: I don't think they talk about the Mono port here..11:54
aquatixoh, was that a mono thing11:54
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aquatixnot surprising though11:54
X-Fadeaquatix: Mono's implementation of Silverlight is already available for linux..11:55
* timely doesn't like press releases11:55
* aquatix doesn't want silverlight, so didn't follow all that11:55
X-Fadetimely: Yeah, I like firmware updates better.11:55
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sp3000someone should make a compiler that consumes press releases and we're set11:58
jaska_and outputs what?11:59
aquatixooh, code generation from press releases11:59
aquatixthat will be interesting to watch11:59
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aquatixbut i guess you will get some vista-lookalike, only with the bloat they promised earlier on12:02
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pupnik_why is internal mmc2 on the n810 vfat anyway...14:22
jaska_compatibility with windows hosts using it as a storage device id assume14:22
johnxso it can be read by windows over usb?14:22
pupnik_oh duh.  thanks14:22
glassjaska_: my guess as well14:23
pupnik_i forgot people use windows14:23
johnxyeah, over time I slowly end up with all my usb sticks formatted ext2/3, then I need to format vfat them before I can bring them over to a friend's house...14:23
lardmanWhat happens to SD cards to make them unreadable? Not just the filesystem being knackered as fsck.vfat is not interested, and the fdisk shows the partition is present14:27
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derflardman: N810?14:27
johnxtell fsck.vfat to check anyways and be verbose14:28
X-Fadelardman: Use one of those photo retrieval applications on the SD card..14:28
johnxI bet it finds problems14:28
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lardmanderf: no, digital camera actually, but I seem to remember people having troubles with the N80014:28
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derfWell, on the N800 the kernel driver sucked big time.14:28
johnxsd drivers on mobile linux have always seemed kind ... off14:28
lardmanX-Fade: yeah, recovered some blobs of data but they are not all there14:28
lardmanX-Fade: the blobs are only partial14:29
johnxdd that thing and start wachking on it with a hex editor I guess :/14:29
aquatixjohnx: on handhelds in general i think14:29
X-Fadelardman: Before you do anything. dd the entrire partition to a file..14:29
lardmanjohn_: yeah14:29
X-FadeEhm, yeah.. slow..14:29
lardmanX-Fade: yep I've done that14:29
lardmanWhen using dd, do I need to set the bs parameter?14:29
johnxit's my understanding that you only need to start setting parameters on dd if your source has errors. Can someone confirm that?14:30
pupnik_i've heard that too... conv,sync etc14:30
* johnx doesn't like to give bad advice when data is at stake...14:30
X-FadeSetting block size can speed up the copy..14:31
lardmanbut nothing other than that?14:31
johnxyou start needing weird things if you have I/O errors on the source14:32
derfWell, by default dd will skip blocks it can't read... but it doesn't write anything in their place.14:32
johnxbut otherwise I've always just done dd if=/dev/hda1 of=filesystem.img and had no problems14:32
derfSo if you miss one block in the middle, nothing after it is where it's supposed to be.14:33
lardmanok, I did as johnx says14:33
derfHence conv, sync, etc.14:33
anders_If there are io errors, there is a program called ddrescue that handles it better if there are errors.14:33
* lardman googles that one14:33
johnxI bet you just have a corrupted fs though14:33
lardmanshouldn't fsck fix that though?14:34
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johnxuse fsck.vfat and force it to check and be verbose14:34
johnxthe fs might be *marked* clean, but not really be clean14:34
lardmanno, fsck actually fails as it can't read the device14:35
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johnxwhen you said "fsck has no interest" I thought you mean it didn't want to check because it thought the fs was clean :)14:35
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lardmanI used sdrecover and it recovers the start of each jpeg14:35
lardmanjohnx: sorry, I should have been specific14:36
johnxwhat is fsck giving you for an error and what is in your dmesg14:36
johnxand how much do you care about the contents?14:36
lardmanI've not got the box in front of me atm, will copy data down at lunch14:36
lardmanphotos from my holiday14:36
johnxhow big is the card?14:37
lardmanthough my dd only returned ~915Mb14:38
lardmancard wasn't full though14:38
johnxit should give you a full bit for bit copy14:38
lardmanyeah, that's what I feared14:39
johnxdd isn't "clever" if it sees a 1 in the source it prints a 1 in the output, then slides over to the next bit14:39
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johnxso dd printed a scary error message?14:40
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lardmanno, dd just ran and produced less data than I expected14:40
johnxhmm...very odd14:40
* zuh did a paintjob:
johnxyou ran it against the partition or the device?14:41
johnxzuh, that's pretty slick actually :D14:41
lardmanhang fire for 15min and I'll head home then I can actually answer with the data in front of me14:41
zuhjohnx: Beats the dull gray at least :)14:41
johnxsure, I'll be on for a bit at least14:42
aquatixzuh: looks pretty good :)14:42
lardmanjohnx: cheers14:42
aquatixonly the little holes aren't black?14:42
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zuhThose are a bit problematic, and I don't like them currently. Some of them actually filled up, but since most didn't I just poked them open.14:43
aquatixhm, that sucks indeed14:43
aquatixspray paint?14:43
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* aquatix is rather happy with the default case of his n810 ;)14:44
pupniklike the emperor with his clothes?14:44
zuhI don't really use the speakers so I wouldn't mind filling them up, but then again, I think that's the only method of any extenral cooling so dunno if it would have a negative effect on lifespan...14:45
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aquatixzuh: good point14:45
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pupnikwow looks nice zuh14:46
aquatixcooling is also done through the plastic itself i guess, but having some airholes will be handy ;)14:46
pupnikreal paint or gimp'd?14:46
aquatixpupnik: spray paint14:46
zuhIt's real14:46
pupniksorry aquatix - thought you were talking about a protective case14:46
aquatixah :)14:46
aquatixnah, have the default sleeve14:46
zuhpupnik: You can look closely for my crappy edge finishes to verify ;)14:47
aquatixit's quite nice too ;)14:47
aquatixzuh: hey, it's better than i would manage ;)14:47
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zuhAt least now my device is very unlikely to be mistaken to the ones at the office14:50
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aquatixzuh: i'm the only one with an n810 in a wide area :)14:59
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johnxaquatix, same here with my n800 :)15:01
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lardmanjohnx: is dmesg output when I insert the SD card15:11
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johnxwell, definitely fire ddrescue at it pronto15:12
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aquatixhm, Harware Error?15:12
X-FadeZapped by airport security? :)15:13
johnxI wish I knew about ddrescue the last time I did data retrieval...15:13
lardmanX-Fade: no, just went tits up while I was using the camera15:14
johnxhang it just those 2 sectors O_o15:15
johnx...and maybe a borked partition table or something?15:15
lardmanjohnx: yes, looks like it15:15
johnxanyways, image the whole card with ddrescue15:16
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lardmanok, just looking at the help15:16
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lardmanwell it's running and hasn't reported any errors, yet...15:19
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johnxwell it will when it gets to 227 and 228, then hopefully it will get the rest of the device15:19
johnxthat would be *really neat*15:20
lardmanhere come the errors15:20
lardmanfirst 724942 kB ok, all errors from here on in from the looks of it15:20
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johnxgive it time15:21
lardmanwhat does it do, keep trying to read the erroneous 'sectors'?15:22
johnxI think it skips forward when it hits errors, then runs in reverse15:22
johnxthe strategy probably makes more sense on a magnetic disk...but worth a shot15:22
johnxout of curiosity, do you remember if the camera was running low on batteries when the card died?15:23
lardmanok, I've got ~20Mb of errors atm, presumably it might skip past this error region and continue15:23
lardmanjohnx: low but not flat iirc15:23
johnxthe N800 SDHC killing bug had to do with dropping voltage to cards while they were still writing15:24
lardmanyep, that was the bit I remembered :(15:24
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aquatixjohnx: that bug has been fixed?15:25
lardmanunfortunately it looks like the sector errors stretch further on:
johnxa loooong time ago15:25
aquatixah, good ;)15:26
pupnikit seems to be safe to shutdown mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler15:26
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lardmanwhen dd(rescue) reads a given sector, is that a physical sector, or is there a wear levelling layer in between?15:28
johnxIIRC, the wear leveling happens inside the SD card15:28
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johnxso that sector number is whatever the card is telling the controller, which then tells the Linux sd driver15:29
lardmanok, so I've got ~700Mb recovered at the beginning, would be be reasonable to assume that the photos would be stored at the start of the disk to begin with (ignoring partition tables, etc. at the start)15:29
lardmani.e. stored at the start of the partition15:30
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johnxI *think* that was the situation the last time I did this15:30
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mbufwhat is required to be installed on OS2007 for N800, for pygst modules?15:39
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johnxlardman, yeah stuff is probably close to the beginning15:40
johnxlardman, how goes it?15:41
* lardman crosses fingers15:41
lardmanstill going, 158MB error size now15:41
lardman"rescued:   724942 kB,  errsize:    159 MB", so a while to go yet15:41
* lardman wonders why Google is so slow15:42
johnxalright. I need to catch some sleep. I'll be around tomorrow though. When working on this remember to keep an *absolutely pristine* image and then copy that to somewhere before making changes / running tools15:43
johnxif you don't get anywhere with it I can look at it tomorrow15:43
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lardmanthanks, will let you know how I get on15:43
johnxgood luck15:43
lardmancheers :) night15:44
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mbufanythings needs to be installed for this error? "/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?16:05
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ihateSymbiandoes anyhere have a publisher id for symbian signed????????????? if u do and want $20 pm me16:59
aquatixand you're asking in #maemo?17:00
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elbyou can tell he's serious by all the question marks17:07
ihateSymbianman im asking everywhere17:07
ihateSymbiangetting desprate17:07
elbyou know they sell those legally, right?17:07
elbI'm not sure why anyone who legally purchased one would want to violate their terms of service for a measly $2017:08
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czrelb, if they're equally desperate? :-)17:09
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Mikhowould somebody know if the usb port in N810 is powered?19:02
KotCzarnyonly 100mA19:03
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Mikhois it good for anything?19:03
KotCzarnykeyboard, mouse, maybe some flash memory19:04
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Mikhoso, if I have a rfid reader connected to the usb port with operational power of 120mA, it probably won't work?19:09
Mikhohard to tell but...19:09
KotCzarnyit may19:09
KotCzarnybut will be out of spec19:09
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Mikhoit's maybe better to look for other options19:10
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jamey_Mikho: what are you using for an rfid reader?19:18
pupnikthat's a neat project!19:18
pupnikrfid reader on tablet++19:19
KotCzarnypf, rfid is evil19:19
pupnikwhich is why it's cool to be able to detect em19:19
KotCzarnyand hack'em ?19:19
Mikhorfid isn't evil, it's more like chaotic neutral19:20
KotCzarnybut that will require much more than usb can provide19:20
KotCzarnymikho: imo it's more lawfull evil19:20
Mikhothere are lots of things you can do with an rfid reader19:20
KotCzarnyie. order used for gains :>19:20
KotCzarnyi know19:21
KotCzarnybut still, in the end it will be used by B.B. people19:21
MikhoI found a stylus shaped bluetooth rfid-reader, but it was something like 600$19:21
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Mikho-> out of the question19:22
* KotCzarny looks at the pentium-m@600mhz running 50fps euae demos (at 40% cpu idle)19:22
pupnikjust build an rfid zapper19:23
KotCzarnypupnik: btw. have you tried kick2.0 ?19:23
KotCzarnyin euae i get lower cpu usage19:23
pupnikyes all kicks work for me with the 'run first' method19:23
KotCzarnybut i may be wrong19:23
pupniklets work on functionality19:24
pupnikoptimization later19:24
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pupniki keep forgetting who runs infobot19:59
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elbwho we can all thank for being responsible enough to put it in the bot's WHOIS20:01
acydlordfor the previous convo, rfid isnt evil, it is just being used for evil20:04
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pupnikjott: around?20:11
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pupniki want someone like inz, fanoush, ssvb, glass, derf to tell me I can compile an sdl app with gcc 4.3 and get better optimization :()20:11
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lcuk_3pup, whether it is sdl or not isnt the point (unless you rebuild sdl with current favorite opts), its whether your code can be optimised by gcc20:21
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lcuk_3actually, do you get any benefit optimizing sdl?20:22
lcuk_3or is the maemo build already nice20:22
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pupniklcuk_3: there are some functions that ssvb has investigated which could be improved20:24
pupnikhowever i'm more interested in the profiler and optimizations available in 4.2-4.320:25
lcuk_3you mean sdl functions? or within uae20:25
pupnikno sdl is just something that has to be linked against20:25
pupniki mean the core app20:25
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lcuk_3unless you find optimised versions of the sdl timewasters20:25
pupnikeventually everything can bypass sdl20:26
pupnikfor video updates20:26
lcuk_3are you running 32-64 color (5/6plane) games or are you trying to get HAM mode working?20:26
pupnikthe only reason i mention it is to indicate that these apps do not link to hildon stuff, so if there are incompatibilities due to gcc 4.3, they would not affect these games20:26
lcuk_3good point20:26
lcuk_3its a shame the LCD doesnt have a 256 color palette mode20:27
lcuk_3you are wasting so much time moving the data around expanding from a small subset into an expanse of data20:27
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lcuk_3this graphics conversion is something the SIMD instructions could possibly handle - or of course you could offload it all to the dsp20:29
lcuk_3will bbl anyways20:30
pupnikk cheers20:30
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KotCzarnypupnik: if you get gcc 4.x running and outputting running code it will20:34
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TimRikerzoran: what's the issue?20:57
infobot_TimRiker is my owner20:57
TimRiker~wantnick infobot20:57
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pupnikis infobot usable to train for faqs TimRiker ?20:58
lcuk_3"Help me infobot, you're my only hope"20:58
TimRikerpupnik: sure.20:59
TimRikerthe bot is in a ton of channels, so there's already a ton of factoids.20:59
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pupnik!factoid gronmayer21:01
jottpupnik: just tested uae4all seems to run with gcc 4.2.121:01
pupnikhelp woo!21:01
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pupnik-help :)21:01
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KotCzarnyjott: have you built it or installed binaries?21:03
jottits the cs toolchain installed from jhakalas debs21:03
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spirytusickelou :)21:05
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TimRikerpupnik: infobot uses ~ for addressing.21:12
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infobotpupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 10m 59s, last said: '-help :)'.21:12
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infobothmm... gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories
infobothmm... pupnik is testing infobot21:17
lcuk_3~seen infobot21:17
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KotCzarnynot bad for a wrt54g ;)21:19
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lmourais there any way to check the hildon-desktop output when loading an applet on the device? (It works in scratchbox)21:20
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KotCzarnylmoura: run it from xterm21:21
lcuk_3and make sure you rebuilt it totally for arm21:22
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* lcuk_3 doesnt ever build for x86 any more and tests directly on device21:23
KotCzarnysshfs rulez21:23
lmourait's a python plugin :)21:23
lmouraI'm trying to see if the loader is working fine21:23
pupnikKillvideo rendered: 3164 emulated 316421:23
pupnikFPS: 92.8721:23
pupniksound still broken21:24
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pupnik[26080.328125] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled21:26
pupnik[26084.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled21:26
KotCzarnypowersaving debug, safe to ignore21:26
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pupnikWOOHOOOOOO got sound!21:28
* pupnik dances21:28
KotCzarnywhat app?21:28
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* lcuk_3 bangs on pupniks wall - "TURN THAT BLOODY MUSIC DOWN!"21:28
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KotCzarnywhat's that?21:28
pupnikhehehe "bleep bleep"21:28
pupnikthe new NES emulator21:29
pupniksooo happy21:29
* jott hands pupnik an un-mute button21:29
lcuk_3its quite easy to mix c++ with regular c isnt it - as in, i can keep the core code i have written so far in std c and just build an object model up for other stuff in c++21:30
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jottlcuk_3: you may have to use the extern "c" keyword21:33
lcuk_3yer, i can do a merry little dance around all my code, but i dont wanna have to rewrite all of it :)  i havent touched ++ for a while but no doubt it will come flooding backl21:34
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lcuk_3well the c part has been easy - most of the stuff is single shot - 1 video card, one canvass, 1 book etc.   now i want to build the ui and need mutliple elements and that fits the class model better21:36
jotts/canvass/canvas/ :)21:36
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* lcuk_3 hits jott on head with a heavy dictionary21:37
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lcuk_3if i spell it with one s tho it looks wrong21:41
KotCzarnythen you need to look at it more21:41
KotCzarnywrite on you keyboard or monitor21:42
lcuk_3yes, even the dictionary looks wrong21:42
KotCzarnyit's called photographic memory21:42
lcuk_3mayybe i should rewrite wikipedia21:42
KotCzarnyalone against nazipedians?21:42
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ynezzdoes anybody knows about some kind of unix socket sniffer or proxy or whatever so I can monitor it's data flow?21:51
_Shurik_tcpdump I mean21:52
ynezzhm, good idea21:53
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pupnikhah perfect sound sync ... 44khz21:53
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_Shurik_what? you finaly got Crysis running on 770????21:54
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pupnikhi _Shurik_21:54
_Shurik_heya mega porter :)21:54
pupnikoop i just heard a glitch!21:54
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pupnikand how can this be?21:54
pupnik... for he is the Quisatz Haderach!21:54
lcddynezz: tcpflow is also sometimes handy21:55
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elbI thought that was Kwisatz21:57
KotCzarnydepends on translation21:58
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elbI read it in the original English ;-)21:58
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ynezzNokia-N810-51-3:~# tcpdump -w gps_driver_ctrl_socket.tcpdump.txt -i /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl  -X22:02
ynezztcpdump: SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device22:02
ynezzhmpf, it don't work22:02
ynezzok :)22:03
KotCzarnyynezz: i thinkk cat could work?22:03
ynezzit's not regular file22:03
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spirytusick'lo :)22:09
KotCzarnyhi spirytusik22:09
spirytusickhey hey Cat :)22:09
spirytusickhey pupnik22:09
spirytusickKotCzarny: uae working realy nice now :) a lot of stuff is useable or watchable, definitely listenable :)22:10
pupniknew build?22:11
spirytusickpupnik: nope :) I suppose it is the same still, i did not update :)22:11
spirytusickpupnik: but it is a fun to use already :)22:11
pupnikyes, but it must get better22:11
spirytusickpupnik: been watching demos all the way to and from work :)22:11
spirytusickpupnik: time and patience I suppose :)22:12
KotCzarnyspirtusik: 20% easy gain is achievable over my build22:12
pupnikand her
KotCzarnyyou can try pupniks one22:12
KotCzarnyi didn't get around to do gcc profiled build22:12
pupnikproblem is my profiled built is not better in all situations22:13
pupnikbut it's significant in superfrog22:13
pupniktetris is faster too22:13
spirytusickpupnik: and of course a lot of dominatrix driven work :)22:13
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spirytusickpupnik: I cannot seem to get the dpad to work on every occassion. What are the mappings exactly ? joy up/down/left/right/fire ?22:14
spirytusickKotCzarny: are you still tinkering with it ?22:14
pupnikwhat u mean on every occasion?22:14
pupnikfor every app?22:14
KotCzarnyin my build fullscreen button is fire22:14
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KotCzarnyand dpad sends codes for cursors AND joy movements22:15
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legindhas anyone been having problems using ukmp with the latest os2008?22:15
spirytusickpupnik: some of the games I tried did not seem to pick it up. Walker/Unreal/Ivanhoe to be exact22:15
legindfor me, it finishes loading album covers and the screen simply goes black.  I need to use the task button to exit the process22:16
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lcuk_3bad album art?22:22
lcuk_3one bad image could seriously wreck your day22:23
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legindlcuk_3, it loaded fine in the previous os200822:44
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lcuk_3legind, sorry then was just something i did when switching from scratchbox to real23:12
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KotCzarny[252088.984375] onenand_wait: controller error = 0x244023:32
KotCzarny[252088.984375] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock4, sector 13798423:32
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spirytusickinternal flash going bye bye ?23:35
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Tama^2I doubt it23:35
spirytusickor trying to access it too fast ?23:36
Tama^2I am sure it will not happen again (I hope for you it doesn't ;-P)23:36
KotCzarnyit stops at the same block23:36
KotCzarny-rw-r--r--    1 user     root     70647808 Mar 11 17:31 m423:36
KotCzarny-rw-r--r--    1 user     root     70647808 Mar 11 17:33 m4.123:36
KotCzarnyat 2 tries23:36
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Tama^2double ouch23:37
KotCzarnysome kind of bb marking would be nice23:37
Tama^2onenand_wait: controller error = 0x244023:37
Tama^2Error 0x2440: You are screwed, Sir23:37
KotCzarnyi think jffs2 would map it as a bb23:39
KotCzarnybut using dd as a backup tool will fail then23:39
spirytusickunless you dd up to the bad block to one file, then dd from first available sec to the second file23:39
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spirytusickand restore them separately23:39
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KotCzarnyone 128kb block is dead23:45
KotCzarnyi think23:45
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ds3YOU KILLED IT!!!!23:46
Tama^2was his name Kenny?23:46
KotCzarnyit wasn't me23:46
Tama^2or Robert Poulsen?23:47
KotCzarnyit was a deadly cosmic ray23:47
Tama^2sure sure, the act of God defence23:47
KotCzarnyoh, well, at least it's not in the boot area23:47
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Tama^2yes, pedantic dude23:47
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spirytusickKotCzarny: to przez braci kaczynskich, parity error :)23:48
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KotCzarnyfence is made from wire :P23:48
KotCzarny  1. A structure serving as an enclosure, a barrier, or a boundary, usually made of posts or stake23:48
KotCzarny  s joined together by boards, wire, or rails.23:48
KotCzarny  2. The art or sport of fencing.23:48
KotCzarny  4. Archaic. A means of defense; a protection.23:48
spirytusickhence the fence :)23:48
Tama^2defence is brit.23:48
KotCzarnydefense is brit23:49
Tama^2too bad the Oxford dictionary disagrees with you23:49
KotCzarnyor you may be wight23:49
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spirytusickor left :)23:49
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KotCzarnyoh well23:49
spirytusickwigh is an island :)23:49
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spirytusickwight :)23:49
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KotCzarnyenglish grammar is a b* anyway23:49
ds3if it ain't describable with lex and yacc, it ain't worth dealing with :P23:51
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spirytusickok codeheads, time to hit the showers and for a keep. see you tommorrow23:52
KotCzarnygo go23:52
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spirytusickidu w ... ty juz wiesz gdzie :)23:52
KotCzarnyic ic23:52
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* ccooke has just taken delivery of the new pdair hard case for the n81023:55
ccookeit's really nice23:55
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ds3hard case? like one that can turn the n810 into a lift back for a truck?23:56
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ccookeit feels really sturdy23:58
ccookevery well padded23:58
KotCzarnyis it nice to touch?23:58
ccookeslightly textured23:59
KotCzarnyi bet dirt will start getting there23:59

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