| * KotCzarny hates media libraries | 00:00 | |
| KotCzarny | without option to just browse files | 00:00 |
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| jott | tag your files KotCzarny :) | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | jott: never! | 00:00 |
| jott | but i admit canola sucks when its about media handling | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | and there's also metalayer-crawl-like issue | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | for me it's enough to do a ls | 00:01 |
| leif__ | quodlibet might be nice on the tablet, but last I checked it wasn't in debian-arm due to some issue with python-ctypes iirc | 00:01 |
| leif__ | quodlibet has a filesystem view in addition to others, including an itunes-like one | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 00:02 |
| skyn3t | hey check this out | 00:02 |
| skyn3t | http://www.vodacom.co.za/services/mobile_data/vodafone_usb_modem.jsp | 00:02 |
| skyn3t | thats pretty cool | 00:02 |
| skyn3t | I wonder if anyone else makes these kind of devices | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: as long as it has linux drivers | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | open source or compiled for n8x0 | 00:03 |
| skyn3t | yeah that would be nice | 00:03 |
| skyn3t | to get something like this for n810 | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | what's a: Type II PC USB slot | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 00:04 |
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| KotCzarny | proudly south african? | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:04 |
| skyn3t | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10770 | 00:04 |
| * KotCzarny hates nationalistic stuff | 00:04 | |
| elb | there's nothing at all wrong with being proud of nationality | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | elb: it's always being used by someone | 00:06 |
| elb | sure | 00:06 |
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| elb | it can be taken too far | 00:06 |
| elb | but if you take away everything which can be taken too far ... you're left with nothing | 00:06 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah. | 00:06 |
| elb | the Inquisition used to kill people by force-feeding them water ;-) | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | but i grumble at 'using' it | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | also nationality in itself doesn't matter much | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | and sets barriers between people | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | artificial barriers | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 'i'm different than you, and because of that you suck' | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | '..and have to die' | 00:08 |
| skyn3t | this is intresting | 00:08 |
| skyn3t | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2008/01/hook-up-a-usb-d.html | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes, that's necessary | 00:09 |
| RayTracer` | kotczarny well sometimes that makes problems easier to solve | 00:09 |
| leif__ | elb, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nationalism | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | rt: lol | 00:09 |
| RayTracer` | if you have a good cause | 00:09 |
| elb | leif__: sure, you can find a wikipedia citation for any unreasonable viewpoint ;-) | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | 'you're from different district, die' | 00:10 |
| elb | "you're white, you can't own a business" just happened in Zimbabwe | 00:10 |
| elb | and it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business" | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:11 |
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| jott | elb: even if you did not do anything about it? | 00:11 |
| leif__ | elb, imo there is some reason in that article, but you couldn't have read it all in the 40 seconds it took you to decry it as an "unreasonable viewpoint" | 00:12 |
| elb | leif__: anti-nationalism as a policy I find unreasonable, and I am already aware of its existence, apart from wikipedia | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | anarchy ftw! | 00:12 |
| elb | jott: ideally one who would take such pride would be active in maintaining such freedoms, but you're right, there will always be those who ride on the coattails of success | 00:13 |
| jott | elb: well i guess it's > 99.9% who just ride | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | 'hey, we have a democracy!' | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | but we don't | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| elb | jott: not at all | 00:14 |
| elb | I'm sure that more than 1 out of 1000 people take at least *some* interest in their nation's welfare and operation | 00:14 |
| elb | at least, in *my* nation | 00:14 |
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| leif__ | elb, which is yours? | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | dreamer.. | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:15 |
| elb | but I can't see it being any other way anywhere else | 00:15 |
| elb | leif__: the USA | 00:15 |
| leif__ | USA! USA! | 00:15 |
| leif__ | me too | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | elb: you're the dreamer | 00:15 |
| elb | KotCzarny: you are willing to stand up and say that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans take any hand in their government? | 00:15 |
| elb | because if you are, I'm willing to point out a filthy-minded nationalist in this channel ;-) | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's not what they want to do, but what happens really | 00:16 |
| elb | (I'd actually be shocked to find out that fewer than 1 out of 1000 Americans are civil servants) | 00:16 |
| Tama^2 | elb, any form of "we [arbitrary group name] are [qualifier clause]" are unreasonable and a bit ridiculous | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | elb: do you consider illegal immigrants as americans? | 00:16 |
| elb | Tama^2: absolutely | 00:17 |
| elb | Tama^2: I don't *think* anyone in this discussion has made such a claim yet | 00:17 |
| leif__ | elb, can they start businesses though? I thought "any" could | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | a. nyone | 00:17 |
| elb | KotCzarny: I'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion; my personal belief is that there should be no such thing as an "illegal immigrant" | 00:17 |
| Tama^2 | elb: and it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm proud I live in a nation where anyone can own a business" | 00:17 |
| Tama^2 | elb: at least, in *my* nation | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | elb: because first we need to know who are those americans | 00:18 |
| elb | Tama^2: are you saying it's not reasonable to say that, or that in this nation fewer than 1 out of 1000 people participate in politics? | 00:18 |
| pupnik | fun, offtopic | 00:18 |
| Tama^2 | yay, offtopic fun | 00:18 |
| elb | Tama^2: because I think you're either confused about what I said, or deliberately misconstruing it | 00:18 |
| elb | KotCzarny: even if you include "illegal immigrants", I'm sure at least 1 out of 1000 people in the USA participate in the political process | 00:19 |
| Tama^2 | (people partecipate in politics by gathering information, forming an opinion and voting) | 00:19 |
| jott | elb: well first its an arbitrary guess, and second, many of those activists are probably not prode of the achievements the gouverment made | 00:19 |
| elb | but my original point wasn't even to talk about the USA, you might notice, I simply used it as a case study and it was run with :-) | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | elb: usa will be no more (soon) | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | nwo is coming | 00:19 |
| jott | proude | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | also usa is 200yo | 00:20 |
| jott | or even proud :) /me buys a spelling bee | 00:20 |
| elb | jott: sure, in any nation there are things to be proud of and things to change | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | that means it's hard to tell who are those americans yo're talking about | 00:20 |
| * leif__ is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_citizen | 00:20 | |
| elb | but I see no problem in people having pride in those things worth being proud of | 00:20 |
| Tama^2 | elb: it just seemed to me that you had implicitly taken a nationalist's position | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | pride is a sin | 00:20 |
| elb | Tama^2: maybe you should reread what I said | 00:21 |
| elb | Tama^2: what I said, originally, is that I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of one's nationality in and of itself | 00:21 |
| elb | and I'll stand by that | 00:21 |
| Tama^2 | it is wrong | 00:21 |
| pupnik | speaking of pride KotCzarny, did you and Jott work-out what should be done about mouse/stylus tracking in uae4all ? ;) | 00:21 |
| Tama^2 | and a bit ridicolous | 00:21 |
| Tama^2 | I mean, of course you can be | 00:22 |
| Tama^2 | I do not mind | 00:22 |
| pupnik | (i joking! but asking seriously too) | 00:22 |
| Tama^2 | but I find it funny and antiquated | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: breakfast time | 00:22 |
| * jott slaps pupnik for trying to be on-topic | 00:22 | |
| elb | that's fine, you're welcome to your opinion | 00:22 |
| pupnik | ok guten appetit | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | coding will continue shortly afterwards | 00:22 |
| elb | and I'm welcome to find that opinion funny and naïve | 00:22 |
| elb | and we're in complete agreement :-) | 00:22 |
| elb | funny isn't the right term ... sad is closer | 00:23 |
| pupnik | jott: would it be much trouble to share a binary that has your patch applied? i'm not sure why it's not working here (lemm2) | 00:23 |
| elb | because down that route lies things like *not* condemning Mugabe's Zimbabwe for forbidding ownership to foreign nationals and whites | 00:23 |
| jott | "i'm proud to be a water-boarder" *scnr* :) | 00:23 |
| skyn3t | looks like Huawei E220 HSDPA modem works with N810 | 00:23 |
| skyn3t | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/34462?page=last | 00:23 |
| Tama^2 | elb: that is clearly a fallacy in you reasoning, but this isn't the place to discuss this stuff | 00:24 |
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| elb | no, it's not | 00:24 |
| Super_Cas | hi | 00:24 |
| Tama^2 | and I shall go back to my work now | 00:24 |
| elb | you may not agree, but I definitely see the connection | 00:24 |
| elb | (it's all of a piece with relative morality) | 00:24 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah well i guess it might be a problem with different resolutions.. i actually started looking into the use of the full resolutions | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: remember that nokia's usb port isn't meant to give more than 100-200mA | 00:25 |
| elb | one should be free to pass judgements, and pride of nationality is simply a judgement that says "I have analzyed my nation, and there are things there I like" | 00:25 |
| lcuk_3 | 100ma tops | 00:25 |
| pupnik | jott: that's a good thing to look into! :) | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | but 4xAA pack should work on the go | 00:25 |
| elb | but ... I agree, this is not going to end in a productive manner | 00:25 |
| skyn3t | KotCzarny, you mean additional battery pack for the modem ? | 00:25 |
| lcuk_3 | 100ma is the specified ampage available to a standard usb device to initialize itself and communicate its requirements. it is also the specification for usb otg :) | 00:25 |
| Super_Cas | SHOULD I BUY A N800 | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | skyn3t: yes | 00:26 |
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| KotCzarny | Super_Cas: SHOULD YOU TURN OFF THE CAPS ? | 00:26 |
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| Super_Cas | kk | 00:26 |
| skyn3t | yeah looks like that thing needs around 700mA | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | you can glue battery pack to modem itself | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:27 |
| lcuk_3 | no usb should ever try to pull more than 500, and no device should ever supply more than 500 | 00:27 |
| elb | and devices which want 500 should negotiate it first | 00:28 |
| elb | (but many do not) | 00:28 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, hence the 100ma limit on init | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, having a cellphone is handy anyway | 00:28 |
| elb | yeah | 00:28 |
| skyn3t | so, I wonder for that specific modem | 00:28 |
| skyn3t | will it work with battery supplied by N810 | 00:28 |
| skyn3t | or do I need to go external | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | external | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | if you read it correctly to draw 700mA | 00:29 |
| lcuk_3 | n810 ONLY supplies 100ma - usb OTG is not expected to give out more | 00:29 |
| Super_Cas | is the N800 battery good | 00:29 |
| Super_Cas | ? | 00:29 |
| lcuk_3 | thats why some keyboards work and others dont | 00:29 |
| lcuk_3 | mine draws 100ma, and works until i press multiple keys then it crashes 810 | 00:30 |
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| skyn3t | ah so probably external then | 00:30 |
| skyn3t | well thats not an issue | 00:30 |
| lcuk_3 | use a powered hub and then the +vs come from there and not the device | 00:31 |
| smackpotato | there is a hub powered by batterys somewhere | 00:32 |
| lcuk_3 | and i also remember hearing about some power injecting thing for 770 host mode? | 00:32 |
| smackpotato | ya thoughtfix did that i think | 00:33 |
| skyn3t | lcuk_3, poweredhub ? | 00:33 |
| lcuk_3 | yer, a usb hub with a power adapter plugging into it | 00:33 |
| lcuk_3 | all devices then get their power from the adapter and not from the host machine | 00:33 |
| skyn3t | ah ok | 00:34 |
| smackpotato | radio shack has one | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | i still think cheap phone can be better | 00:35 |
| * lcuk_3 lots of standard usb hubs have an adapter socket on the side, but are sold without a power adapter in the box. if you need power you can just add it - check any you have lying around | 00:36 | |
| lcuk_3 | -/me ;) | 00:36 |
| skyn3t | KotCzarny, building a dedicated, easy to use solution, so phone is not an option | 00:38 |
| skyn3t | but I agree probably cheaper | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | and easy to use too | 00:39 |
| skyn3t | other thing I was looking at is Sony VAIO VGN-UX180P | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | once it's configured it's a simple turn on cell/dial ppp | 00:39 |
| skyn3t | it had EDGE integrated | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | not bad, what's the price? | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:41 |
| skyn3t | $400 or so right now on ebay | 00:41 |
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| skyn3t | I think it has been discountinued | 00:41 |
| skyn3t | though | 00:41 |
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| KotCzarny | and it's sony | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | though sonys had very good battery life | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | from my experience | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | and it doesn't do gsm/cdma | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | or i'm bling | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | blind | 00:43 |
| skyn3t | have you seen samsung q1 ultra | 00:43 |
| jott | those umpc are still quite big | 00:44 |
| skyn3t | http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Samsung-Q1-UMPC.htm | 00:44 |
| skyn3t | yeah I was wondering | 00:44 |
| skyn3t | how is that compared in size | 00:44 |
| skyn3t | to N810 | 00:44 |
| jott | http://www.mobiletechreview.com/image/Q1/Q1_jasjar_pepsi.jpg the page you linked has a size comparision | 00:44 |
| skyn3t | ah | 00:45 |
| skyn3t | so I-mate would be the n810 | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | something in between | 00:46 |
| jott | http://www.sizeasy.com/ | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | it's a little taller than pepsi | 00:47 |
| jott | and thinner than a htc universal :) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| skyn3t | Q1 has optional HSDPA module it seems | 00:48 |
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| KotCzarny | newer q1 revision also has keyboard | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 00:49 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: i want to be evaluating 'ocs' demos right? http://ada.untergrund.net/indexdemo.php?year=%25&category=demo&chipsets=ocs&avgvote=3&submitsort.x=45&submitsort.y=13&submitsort=sort | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | argh. tiny.pl | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:49 |
| pupnik | from what i just read, ocs should work with uae4all | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | that page came up blank | 00:50 |
| pupnik | oh sry | 00:50 |
| unixSnob | any1 know of a ram-mounts part number that will interface w/ the N800? | 00:50 |
| pupnik | ada.untergrund.net - filtering demos by chipset ocs | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | still blank | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | probably junkbuster got it | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | ecs probably will work too | 00:52 |
| pupnik | ty | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | #define long_fetch_ecs_weird() | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | sprres = RES_SUPERHIRES | 00:54 |
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| KotCzarny | bplcon4 = 0x11; /* Get AJA chipset into ECS compatibility mode */ | 00:55 |
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| KotCzarny | i think aga emulation is here too | 00:55 |
| pupnik | 'my' old Zenith 110 had 640x400 in 8 colors (3 bitplanes).. a nice compromise for a 1984 (?) computer | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | amiga is 1984 too | 00:56 |
| pupnik | oh wow | 00:56 |
| pupnik | aga was amiga 1200? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | and 4000 | 00:56 |
| pupnik | by the way, it was interesting to compare to PSP uae4all... source is available | 00:57 |
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| KotCzarny | psp is arm too? | 00:57 |
| pupnik | don't remember - maybe 'mips' - ~ 333mhz or so | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | now i need modplug for maemo-xmms :) | 01:01 |
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| jott | pupnik: use schism tracker :P | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | i believe there was uade plug for xmms | 01:01 |
| jott | http://sse2.net/schism/schism.install :) | 01:02 |
| pupnik | potamus - extremely lightweight GTK-based audio player | 01:02 |
| pupnik | xmms-modplug - ModPlug plugin for XMMS | 01:02 |
| pupnik | ignore potamus dorry | 01:02 |
| pupnik | cool jott | 01:02 |
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| pupnik | hmm why is my mmc2 read-only? | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | corruption! | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, check dmesg | 01:05 |
| pupnik | [83637.593750] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 01:06 |
| pupnik | [83650.421875] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 01:06 |
| pupnik | about 100 of those...? | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | that's only about dsp waking/sleeping i believe | 01:07 |
| pupnik | oh hehe ok | 01:07 |
| pupnik | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# fuser -m /media/mmc2 | 01:08 |
| pupnik | 15004 | 01:08 |
| pupnik | but there is no process 15004 :/ | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | ps ax|grep 15004 ? | 01:09 |
| pupnik | just returns the grep | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 01:09 |
| pupnik | hehe | 01:10 |
| pupnik | spooky violins | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | [171491.781250] menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VDCDC3' | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | that mean removing mmc/sd card really saves power | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's powered even when not mounted | 01:10 |
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| Tama^2 | yes, but when idle the card is put in low power mode | 01:11 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | not mine i think | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:11 |
| Tama^2 | unfortunately some cards (my SDHC) draw the same amount of power even in low power mode | 01:12 |
| Tama^2 | they are crap cards | 01:12 |
| * KotCzarny has 2 kingstons | 01:12 | |
| Tama^2 | SDHC? | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:12 |
| Tama^2 | I had 2x 16Gb SDHC | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | 4 and 8 here | 01:12 |
| Tama^2 | sold them because with them in the battery would last 25 hours VS almost 10 days without | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:13 |
| pupnik | maemo-lau has a ton of open files | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | what are you using now? | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: kill it! ;) | 01:13 |
| Tama^2 | nothing, I gave up on using the tablet for media playback | 01:13 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | tama: hehe | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder which would behave the best | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | mmc 1gb/mmc 2gb/sd 1|2/sdhc >1 | 01:14 |
| pupnik | 4GB kingston class-6 mini-SD seems to be reasonable - but i have little experience away from power long term | 01:14 |
| pupnik | i don't want 'mediaplay' or 'metalayer' running :/ | 01:15 |
| jott | i want the bme source :) | 01:16 |
| pupnik | oh nice /etc/init.d/mediaplayer-daemon seems to be ok | 01:16 |
| pupnik | bme? | 01:16 |
| jott | closed source power managment stuff | 01:16 |
| pupnik | ah | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | decompile it? | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | could be fun for a long winter nights | 01:17 |
| jott | KotCzarny: yeah too much effort.. | 01:17 |
| Brains | I am still somewhat confused as to why every app seems to only want to offer you multimedia files if they are on flash... Respect the NFS already! | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | brains: i hate media libraries too | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| jott | KotCzarny: tell me about it! :) | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | you can join my petition for a file browsers in media players! | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | but you just gave us (and media players developers a valid point) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:18 |
| lcuk_3 | media library when done correctly can overcome the deficiencies of a slow file system. however the crawler should be intelligent enough to work without effecting the rest of the system | 01:18 |
| Brains | Anybody know how to turn off the predictive text stuff? | 01:18 |
| jott | and it should be possible to easily add folders :) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: yeah, i would like to see metalayer-crawl on nfs | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:19 |
| jott | (to scan) | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | that would be fun | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:19 |
| pupnik | i can predict what i'm typing now | 01:19 |
| lcuk_3 | yes brains, in control panel/text input settings on the final languages tab is another settings button. inside there is the tickboxes you seek. notice how nokia put them close to hand for you ;) | 01:19 |
| pupnik | sorry eh | 01:19 |
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| * lcuk_3 knows why his code couldnt get over 27fps | 01:21 | |
| Brains | lcuk_3: You know, I did look there and just missed it entirely. | 01:21 |
| lcuk_3 | (for fullscreen) | 01:21 |
| * Brains <- Fail | 01:21 | |
| lcuk_3 | it took me ages to totally get rid of the osk totally | 01:22 |
| pupnik | dude | 01:22 |
| pupnik | osk was taking up cpu? | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | even hidden? | 01:22 |
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| lcuk_3 | lol, nope - at 800*480 YUV, the update is limited to 27fps flicker free. when i warm my cpu up now i can drop each glyph 6 times per frame before it goes slower than 27fps | 01:23 |
| * Brains did redeem himself earlier though... Nethack is now installed. | 01:23 | |
| lcuk_3 | for instance, if i draw the page 10 times i get about 20fps | 01:23 |
| pupnik | i have no entry for /media/mmc2 in /etc/fstab on os2008 - is this normal? | 01:24 |
| lcuk_3 | but if i draw it 1 times its 27fps | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: yes | 01:24 |
| lcuk_3 | but if i draw it 0 times its 27fps | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | mmc-mount ignores fstab anyway | 01:24 |
| pupnik | :q | 01:24 |
| pupnik | oop pardon me | 01:24 |
| jott | pupnik: you could probably still do "mount -o rw,remount /media/mmc2" | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | ..and lose data | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:25 |
| pupnik | thanks i keep forgetting that | 01:25 |
| jott | KotCzarny: pfff :) | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | there was a reason to get it ro | 01:26 |
| jott | vfat can't loose data :> | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | and should be checked first | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:26 |
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| KotCzarny | jott, yeah... | 01:26 |
| pupnik | dmesg: mmcblk1: p1 exceeds device capacity | 01:26 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:26 |
| jott | pupnik: broken partition table ;) | 01:27 |
| jott | it's the internal 2gb partition? | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | sfdisk can be used to reread partition table | 01:27 |
| pupnik | it's all JA2''s fault! | 01:27 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:27 |
| jott | it is known to have a broken partition table .. | 01:27 |
| pupnik | oh? | 01:27 |
| jott | don't you read the channel logs :P | 01:27 |
| jott | no seriously it's a known issue | 01:28 |
| jott | mine was wrong too | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | on n-gage it was a trick to hide part of mmc card | 01:28 |
| jott | i have / on it now anyway ;) | 01:28 |
| pupnik | so i re-fdisk ? | 01:28 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah backup, and make a proper table | 01:28 |
| pupnik | thanks | 01:29 |
| lcuk_3 | ok, ssh time - i am trybing to set the current path before i run my program. the following used to work, but my current path was unknown and i had to hard write paths in to quickly get round the issue | 01:29 |
| lcuk_3 | ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq/liqreader | 01:30 |
| pupnik | pwd? | 01:30 |
| lcuk_3 | i have tried changing it to: | 01:30 |
| lcuk_3 | ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; liqreader" | 01:30 |
| lcuk_3 | but its not working... any ideas? | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | make a sh script | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:30 |
| * Brains did that a couple of days ago.. mostly because he was pretty sure that the internal memory wasn't on the order of 8.4TB or so... | 01:30 | |
| lcuk_3 | kot, thats what it is | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | you can cd in a script | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 01:31 |
| lcuk_3 | ssh sends over a small script.. it works for other things | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | also you can do export DISPLAY in a script too | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | that will shorten your line considerably | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk_3 | ahhhaaa now this runs: ssh root@10.0.0.2 DISPLAY=:0.0 "cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader" | 01:32 |
| lcuk_3 | but the DISPLAY is not being passed over so sdl fails | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | extend " | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | ssh root@10.0.0.2 "export DISPLAY=:0.0; cd /usr/bin/liq; ./liqreader" | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | or simply: | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | ssh root@10.0.0.2 "DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/liq//liqreader" | 01:34 |
| lcuk_3 | ahh i never needed the export line | 01:34 |
| lcuk_3 | but i just tried your second and it failed | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | over ssh it can be weird | 01:34 |
| lcuk_3 | :D Yehhhhhhhh with export it works | 01:34 |
| lcuk_3 | now i can call it from any folder and it picks up things from where it is | 01:35 |
| lcuk_3 | but my test script will init with it in the proper place with test data | 01:35 |
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| jott | lcuk_3: it not nice to make folders in /usr/bin :P | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | no shit sherlock | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | lol it was the first place i found that worked | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | and i needed a subfolder cos mine were getting lost | 01:36 |
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| lcuk_3 | i will have it somewhere else as soon as i take a breath | 01:36 |
| jott | lcuk_3: /usr/share/$APPNAME is for stuff | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | or /usr/local/share | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:37 |
| lcuk_3 | but when i have 10 apps | 01:37 |
| jott | well $PREFIX/share/$APPNAME ;) | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:37 |
| * lcuk_3 didnt want this discussion yet ;) | 01:37 | |
| jott | but if you package it, it should go to /usr/share :) | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | and sometimes /usr/lib or /usr/libexec | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | but that's a little special | 01:38 |
| * lcuk_3 is still scared of the linux fs | 01:39 | |
| jott | hehe you should see the mess of a windows fs :P | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | or apple | 01:40 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 01:40 | |
| lcuk_3 | scarily enough, i understand winfs for now | 01:40 |
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| * lcuk_3 dies a little inside | 01:40 | |
| jott | actually lsb makes it quite clear where stuff has to go | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | understand is a wrong word, 'accustomed' is better | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:41 |
| lcuk_3 | ill accept that answer kot :) | 01:41 |
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| putterson | How hard would it be to turn an N810 into an input device for a desktop? | 01:44 |
| lcuk_3 | i have it already | 01:44 |
| lcuk_3 | its my remote control for when im playing movies on desktop | 01:44 |
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| putterson | I was thinking more of a tablet...mouse | 01:44 |
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| jott | putterson: vnc? | 01:44 |
| putterson | oh right | 01:45 |
| b0r0las | saludos | 01:45 |
| putterson | could you make it so it wouldn't use up bandwidth transmitting the screen? | 01:45 |
| lcuk_3 | i could see nokia supplying a magnified view under the current cursor | 01:45 |
| lcuk_3 | and stroking the nokia moves the desktop cursor | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | x2x | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | that's a nice tool | 01:45 |
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| putterson | damn windows | 01:46 |
| lcuk_3 | use it like a laptop trackpad | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | x2x allows the keyboard and mouse on one ("from") X display to control another ("to") X display. | 01:46 |
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| putterson | Yeah and windows doesn't use an X server | 01:47 |
| jott | "x2x has a long history. It was born in the times when life was hard, window managers were simple and displays were rectangle. " haha ;) | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | putterson: yeah, they will invent it again and clain the ownership | 01:49 |
| jott | and patent it! | 01:49 |
| putterson | haha | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | and name it 'revolutionary' | 01:50 |
| christefano | pupnik: I heard back from zlt. his version of GnuPG was compiled for OS 2006 | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | or some other pr crap | 01:50 |
| jott | KotCzarny: actually that's apple not ms we are talking about, right? ;) | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | jott: both | 01:50 |
| jott | indeed ;) | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | at least apple had nice computer cases | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | which m$ tried to copy | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | and failed | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | many many times | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk_3 | anyone know offhand the client space for a hildon window? (in pixels) | 01:51 |
| putterson | anyways so I was thinkink about using my N810 like a laptop trackpad | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | 800-80 | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | for horizontal | 01:51 |
| lcuk_3 | thx, anyone have height? | 01:51 |
| jott | putterson: whats the problem of using vnc? its a nice addon to see the desktop ;) | 01:51 |
| putterson | jott, but wouldn't it really bog down the N810? | 01:52 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | putterson: you are thinking m$ apps | 01:52 |
| putterson | O.K., can you recommend any good clients? | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | tightvnc | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | for both *nix and m$ | 01:53 |
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| KotCzarny | but i don't know if it's the right app | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | i believe you want to use IT as a tablet | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | for a windows | 01:54 |
| putterson | precisely | 01:54 |
| putterson | so what vnc clients are there for os2008 | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know if there is a way for remote input on windows | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | other than rdesktop | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, try rdesktop client | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | that will control windows | 01:55 |
| putterson | KotCzarny, I have a vnc server on my windows box | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | then vnc is ok | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:55 |
| putterson | I was just asking to a pointer to a vnc client for my tablet | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | there should be one, i think | 01:55 |
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| lcuk_3 | its available from maemo.org | 01:58 |
| lcuk_3 | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:59 |
| putterson | thanks | 01:59 |
| lcuk_3 | strangely enough i prefer it oriented the other way round | 01:59 |
| lcuk_3 | i seem to do more in lists on the pc and it fits better rotated 90deg with less scrolling around (1280*1024 desktop) | 02:01 |
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| Acglaphotis | Hey, can you tell me how to load the serial usb driver on an N800 with OS2008? | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | modprobe usb-serial ? | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 02:10 |
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| Acglaphotis | thanks : d | 02:12 |
| Acglaphotis | *: D | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | lol? | 02:12 |
| Acglaphotis | my connection is dropping, did i send that twice? | 02:13 |
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| KotCzarny | sent what? | 02:13 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | his connection must be dropping | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:13 |
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| lcuk_3 | there wa sa lag storm warning given earlier | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | never noticed | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | |> 7 Days - Chakra Vs Xerox And Illuminati (Goa_Vol_11) | 02:16 |
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| Acglaphotis | Hey, does anyone knows if there is any PPP apps for the N800? | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:41 |
| Acglaphotis | i haven't found any | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | they can be named weird | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | like dialer or something | 02:41 |
| pupnik | cu ? | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | callers united? | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:42 |
| pupnik | i remember when slip came out | 02:42 |
| pupnik | NCSA Champaigne-Urbana and the University of Minnesota were into that | 02:43 |
| pupnik | and Gopher :) | 02:43 |
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| pupnik | maemo 2.0 / mistral had gcc 4.3 ... http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | source away then? | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | and you still overlooking a : | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:45 |
| pupnik | it's just curious why we're still on gcc codesourcery 2005 | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | 'if it works, use it' | 02:45 |
| * pupnik looks at watch | 02:45 | |
| Acglaphotis | hmm... im trying to use a usb modem with my n800 but the description of cu only mentions bluetooth? | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | probably there was a hell of work to get it to work | 02:46 |
| pupnik | yes - on he other hand companies like TI and Nokia should be investing in gcc | 02:47 |
| pupnik | intel wants to eat their lunch... and I hate intel | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:48 |
| Acglaphotis | do you guys know if cu would work with an usb modem?, or should i just recompile pppd for my n800 (could that work?) | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:49 |
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| pupnik | i want to be like a quasar ejecting open source software, fueled by a black hole of hate :) | 02:49 |
| pupnik | hmm? | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | ok, start now | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:50 |
| Acglaphotis | oops, i just saw that pon is installed, so i figure that pppd is also installed by default? | 02:50 |
| pupnik | don't know how to talk to usb devices | 02:50 |
| pupnik | i'm a dinosaur from the tty era | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | usb-serial looks like a tty | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 02:50 |
| pupnik | cool | 02:50 |
| Acglaphotis | it uses a /dev/ttysomething | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | it emulates regular serial device | 02:51 |
| pupnik | so no crazy drivers and custom i/o | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | so minicom etc. will work | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, as long kernel driver is loaded | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:51 |
| pupnik | wow, the industry can still make some sense | 02:51 |
| Acglaphotis | im retarded... pppd and pon are already installed so i just have to edit /etc/ppp/peers... | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | Acglaphotis: :) | 02:52 |
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| KotCzarny | now for your punishment you will have to write them 100 times | 02:52 |
| Acglaphotis | Thanks guys : D | 02:53 |
| pupnik | pspuae has auto-zoom | 02:54 |
| pupnik | but we dont' want that | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:54 |
| pupnik | not their software anyway | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | one thing at a time | 02:54 |
| pupnik | just looking at their features for ideas | 02:55 |
| pupnik | http://pspuae.condor.serverpro3.com/index.php?topic=430.msg3962 | 02:55 |
| pupnik | here's what pisses me off | 02:56 |
| pupnik | v0.1 -Initial release. Very alpha, no sound, runs at about 85% speed of a real Amiga 500. | 02:56 |
| pupnik | ah well with no sound that does make it easier | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:56 |
| lcuk_3 | i think a high resolution + fast + swish interface is possible for this device :) | 02:56 |
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| pupnik | keep at it lcuk_3 | 02:56 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, i might want you to test something for me soon :) | 02:56 |
| lcuk_3 | it looks very interesting | 02:57 |
| pupnik | scrollyness makes me happy | 02:57 |
| lcuk_3 | and could possibly help you to that autoscaling goal | 02:57 |
| lcuk_3 | do you have a 100% requirement for rgb in sdl, or is there an internal choice to use yuv? | 02:58 |
| Acglaphotis | uhm... modprobe usb-serial throws me " modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep", any ideas? | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | Acglaphotis: you don't have any modules installed | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | other than those in initfs | 02:59 |
| Acglaphotis | KotCzarny: Im having a premonition about that not being good | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | let me see what kernel has in the way of usb drivers | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | you're in luck | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | there are many of them | 03:00 |
| pupnik | that would be really great to get your experience applied to uae4all framebuffer handling lcuk_3 | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | one will have to compile/copy them | 03:00 |
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| KotCzarny | i can compile you a generic one | 03:00 |
| leif__ | http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/01/usbserial.html | 03:01 |
| Acglaphotis | thx leif__ | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | no need to compile? ok | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | i'm off to code | 03:01 |
| Acglaphotis | KotCzarny: Don't worry i can do it | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:01 |
| pupnik | have you looked at the vkbd code yet KotCzarny ? | 03:02 |
| Acglaphotis | thanks and bye | 03:02 |
| leif__ | np, i haven't tried it though... just read about it | 03:02 |
| lcuk_3 | how fast have we got amiga workbench running now? is cygnus editor working yet? | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: not yet | 03:02 |
| pupnik | i saw the #define enabled but didn't go hunting either | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | tried to enable it but could make it work | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | lccuk: yes | 03:02 |
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| lcuk_3 | that sounds interesting. | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | but at lowres | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | gp2x is mainly for games | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | so it uses 320x240 mode | 03:03 |
| lcuk_3 | why are we trying to emulate it though? hasn't anyone tried reimplimenting wb, or wasnt workbench opensourced? | 03:03 |
| pupnik | also if the amiga is really paletted internally, we might look into 8-bit RGB->yuv | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it wasn't | 03:04 |
| lcuk_3 | no, the amiga is internally bit planed | 03:04 |
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| lcuk_3 | there is a really slow planar to chunky bit rotation function needed | 03:04 |
| pupnik | ok i saw a sdl pallette datastructure somewheres. there's probably some trash left in the codebase | 03:04 |
| pupnik | but it's refreshingly direct compared to bloaty PC-based emus | 03:05 |
| lcuk_3 | i remember it from the final days of amiga. when pc 3d games came out using vga 8bit chunky pixels resolution came out the planar principal failed. | 03:05 |
| pupnik | at least the sound backend :) | 03:05 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:05 |
| lcuk_3 | alien breed was one of the games which included it | 03:05 |
| pupnik | curse you ibm | 03:05 |
| lcuk_3 | it was a totally different style of graphics that the amiga could not work well with | 03:06 |
| lcuk_3 | if we use the low 4-16 color windows on offer in the high resolution, the situation is easier with less bits to flip | 03:06 |
| pupnik | amiga came out ... 1984-5? | 03:06 |
| pupnik | 6? | 03:06 |
| pupnik | vga came out ... 90? 91? | 03:07 |
| lcuk_3 | i had an amiga until 98 | 03:07 |
| * KotCzarny still has a500 in the closet | 03:07 | |
| KotCzarny | with scsi adapter + 8mb simm in it | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:07 |
| lcuk_3 | my 1200 died | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | ['] | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:08 |
| pupnik | well xomap is taking up like 6-9% cpu right now | 03:08 |
| pupnik | that should be reduceable greatly | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | i doubt it | 03:08 |
| lcuk_3 | i couldnt afford to fix it, i needed a job. got some quals and stepped down to vb. its been like methadone to me. i think in c. | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 03:09 |
| * KotCzarny did a project in asp, once | 03:09 | |
| KotCzarny | i still have that creepy feeling | 03:09 |
| lcuk_3 | i have just had a crazy idea | 03:10 |
| pupnik | sshh the channel is logged | 03:10 |
| lcuk_3 | you know this guy who does the wiimote stuff with sticky balls and leds - the head tracking etc. why dont we use the camera in the 810 like that | 03:10 |
| pupnik | hah awesome | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | because cam is crappy | 03:11 |
| lcuk_3 | you could stand it infront of your pc monitor and wave your pen in the air to control big screen (or small one) | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | and cpu is underpowered | 03:11 |
| lcuk_3 | cam == crappy for family portrait, but v good for filtering and tracking a target | 03:11 |
| lcuk_3 | bullshit | 03:11 |
| lcuk_3 | the cpu can handle it just fine | 03:11 |
| lcuk_3 | you underestimate it | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 03:12 |
| lcuk_3 | i did | 03:12 |
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| KotCzarny | it does 4fps @ 640x480 | 03:12 |
| pupnik | reading from camera? | 03:12 |
| lcuk_3 | i have full screen flicker free rendering of a page of text rendered at 27fps | 03:12 |
| pupnik | i think camera app refreshes ~4-5 fps or something | 03:13 |
| lcuk_3 | but thats fine for a magic trick | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | at 320x240 it's ~16fps | 03:13 |
| lcuk_3 | its something to talk about | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 03:14 |
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| lcuk_3 | look here iPhone, can you do THIS? | 03:14 |
| pupnik | facial recognition logins :P | 03:14 |
| pupnik | (hold up a photo) :) | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | nahhhh - but quite nice to take a pic of you before personalising the interface | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | hello dave | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | heh, i have a box drawn on my notepad, all it has written on it is "Hello..." | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | i was going to ask their name and take a picture | 03:15 |
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| lcuk_3 | when they start the app, it just shows the faces of recent people who have used it | 03:16 |
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| lcuk_3 | click to login and enter password | 03:16 |
| lcuk_3 | read books, browse the web play games, come and chat or anything else | 03:17 |
| lcuk_3 | (by the way i havent got a blog so here will do ;) | 03:17 |
| dospod | hey | 03:18 |
| pupnik | ok i'm off for my nightly economics lecture | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:19 |
| pupnik | hope to be less useless tomorrow | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | that would be cool on 800 | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | 810 has camera exposed all the time | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:19 |
| lcuk_3 | all the better to see you with | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | or spy | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:20 |
| lcuk_3 | would you ever put your device online | 03:20 |
| lcuk_3 | willingly | 03:20 |
| lcuk_3 | live camera feed | 03:20 |
| * lcuk_3 covers his camera up with another sticker from now on | 03:21 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:22 |
| lcuk_3 | i suppose if it were marked to a private ftp, the data would not be a problem and could help in the chance of a robbery | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | chicken | 03:22 |
| putterson | Does anybody know where airodump-ng saves its cap files? | 03:22 |
| lcuk_3 | every login uploads an image from the camera to your private webspace | 03:22 |
| lcdd | does usb-audio work on maemo? | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: make a script to do it | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:23 |
| lcuk_3 | for the "common" crook, the chances that they would reflash a device before trying it out would be remote | 03:23 |
| lcuk_3 | hell, thats a wicked smart idea | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | as long they don't know about it | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | also, you can log gps data | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | with the pic | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you get gps working | 03:24 |
| lcuk_3 | obscurity will win. a piece of software on a single platform of a single type of smart device being widely known to have to re-flash (and how to get that info) becoming common knowledge to a magpie? | 03:25 |
| lcuk_3 | gps displays the icon and takes to fucking long to lock | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | make your own app then? | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | that runs without gui | 03:26 |
| RayTracer` | lcuk_3 I lock the fastest when there's nothing directly overhead and I hold the left side facing skywards | 03:26 |
| lcuk_3 | "please stand with your hands in the air (facing north) for 60 minutes whilst we get a lock and tell the user where you are" | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | and aim out lazers | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | *our | 03:27 |
| RayTracer` | lcuk_3 between 45s and 2mins to lock usually | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | how about averaging? | 03:27 |
| RayTracer` | on average it's between 45s and 2 mins | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | ie. getting few fast estimates? | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | or it doesn't support 'usure' mode? | 03:27 |
| elb | this GPS thing cracks me up | 03:28 |
| elb | mine locks its GPS in a minute or so under most reasonable conditions | 03:29 |
| elb | there has to be more to all these problems people complain about | 03:29 |
| lcuk_3 | my missus who was the prime user - being a new driver - would like the ability to *ahem* relocate and reorient herself after a wrong turning *ahem*, but upon making said mistake 60 minutes after leaving the house with it in the dash and still not fucking locked lost trust with the device | 03:29 |
| RayTracer` | I'm convinced that there has not been a worse gps in mankind's history | 03:29 |
| RayTracer` | than the one in n810 | 03:29 |
| lcuk_3 | its no good as a tool if it cannot be relied upon | 03:29 |
| RayTracer` | my free phone has a built in gps that's better | 03:29 |
| lcuk_3 | i paid good money for this because it had gps | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | then n800 is superior to n810 | 03:30 |
| lcuk_3 | nokia need to get this dealt with | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | because you can get a good bt gps for the price difference | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | and have it for other uses even after n800 gets to the closet | 03:30 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, and in future i will do that. keep dedicated gps unit in the vehicle and just connect with whatever i arrive at the car using | 03:31 |
| lcdd | the problem with these multimedia gadgets is that you can't expect any of the features to work properly | 03:31 |
| lcuk_3 | but look across at the n95. | 03:31 |
| lcuk_3 | its the same frikkin series and it works a damn sight better from what i can see | 03:31 |
| RayTracer` | n95 is a superstar with high end everything | 03:32 |
| RayTracer` | the 16gb built in is so nice | 03:33 |
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| KotCzarny | nice | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | but draws power too? | 03:33 |
| RayTracer` | no it runs on sunshine and happy thoughts | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:34 |
| lcuk_3 | actually, looking - the n95 gps is as bad as this | 03:34 |
| lcdd | RayTracer`: which there are none :| | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:34 |
| lcuk_3 | they have all the same kinds of "hold it to the sky - pray for 45 minutes stand on one leg | 03:34 |
| lcuk_3 | http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=smartphones&message.id=35519 | 03:35 |
| * lcuk_3 feels a bit better knowing that | 03:35 | |
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| KotCzarny | |> Psytisfaction - VA (Psytisfaction 3) | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:36 |
| Tama^2 | lcuk_3: funny, open the phone stand on one leg and chant a prayer... it may work! | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | no better cheer up than knowing someone else is hurting too | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:36 |
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| Drizzt321 | on an n800, where would I go to add an additional repostitory, and then refresh the available packages/ | 03:38 |
| Drizzt321 | ? | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | in application manager | 03:38 |
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| lcuk_3 | ive set my screen to blank after a period of no activity, any idea how to stop it happening when my program is running? | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | look into mplayer sources | 03:40 |
| Drizzt321 | I'm doing this over the phone with my mother, so I don't have one in front of me. Where in the App Manager KotCzarny | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | they have figured it out | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:40 |
| lcuk_3 | yer i thought i might have to | 03:40 |
| pupnik | what book was Drizzt Durden (sp?) from? | 03:40 |
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| KotCzarny | drizzt: greenmenu -> settings | 03:41 |
| Drizzt321 | pupnik, no clue, I got it from the D&D campaign setting | 03:41 |
| Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, greenmenu? | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | those 3 green swuares | 03:41 |
| Drizzt321 | ok | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | squares | 03:41 |
| pupnik | aah Icewind Dale | 03:41 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg Drizzt321 | 03:42 |
| Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, she's in App Manager...where in app manager is the repositories? | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | click on triangle left of title | 03:43 |
| Drizzt321 | ok | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | then tpools > app catalog | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | and it's there | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | you can add/edit them | 03:43 |
| smackpotato | what keeps the display lit in nokia 770 | 03:48 |
| Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, I hate being family phone tech support | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | drizzt: keep faith | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:49 |
| Drizzt321 | I'm trying | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | at least you can scream at them | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:49 |
| Drizzt321 | sometimes I have to keep myself from screaming | 03:49 |
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| smackpotato | i made a small program to do fake mouse clicks. it failed | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | smack: probably dbus messaging | 03:49 |
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| KotCzarny | but as i said, look at mplayer sources | 03:50 |
| Drizzt321 | I asked her to go to the menu...and she just read me what was on the main screen of the app manager. | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | that menu is 'hidden' | 03:51 |
| Drizzt321 | yea, I know | 03:51 |
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| soto | Does Microb support MathML by default (or otherwise)/ | 03:52 |
| soto | ? | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | try it? | 03:52 |
| soto | I went to a page and it seemed not to work. Don't have a wireless connection right now to check further. | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | then probably it doesn't | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | for now | 03:53 |
| soto | That was unhelpful :( | 03:54 |
| soto | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/configs/mozconfiggtk2mini?root=browser&rev=822&view=markup | 03:54 |
| soto | ^ It seems like it is enabled? | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | scm is development tree i guess | 03:54 |
| soto | KotCzarny: It's not bleeding edge. 5 months ago. | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:55 |
| soto | In trunk | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | and package was from when? | 03:55 |
| soto | It has been updated within the last 5 months, definitely. | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | then how is that trunk is older than package? | 03:56 |
| soto | KotCzarny: It's a single file. Not all files are updated every revision. | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:56 |
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| KotCzarny | perv | 04:09 |
| lcuk_3 | last week canada farted, today the smell reaches us ;) | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | free methane! | 04:10 |
| Drizzt321 | finally she has it. thanks for the help KotCzarny! | 04:11 |
| lcuk_3 | i actually imagine the canadian mounties flying over on hang-gliders but then again my sense of humour is a bit wonky | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:11 |
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| Drizzt321 | maybe I should just get one myself so I can make sure I know exactly what she is seeing | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | drizzt: i believe screenshots will be enough | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | there's a nice app to do it | 04:12 |
| Drizzt321 | KotCzarny, but she would have no clue how to do that | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | has delayed mode too | 04:12 |
| Drizzt321 | lol | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i figured out getting resulting file could be problematic | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | unless you install ssh on her tablet | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:13 |
| lcuk_3 | but she will have to reflash first | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | and get it yourself ;) | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | will she? | 04:13 |
| lcuk_3 | i believe so. and the windows flasher tool is broken on her vista machine. she will have to install linux as well | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: methane got you | 04:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:14 |
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| mchang | greetings | 04:27 |
| mchang | anyone around tonight? | 04:27 |
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| smackpotato | tools application cadalog | 04:30 |
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| smackpotato | hi | 04:31 |
| mchang | hey smack | 04:33 |
| smackpotato | whats up | 04:34 |
| mchang | mostly being idle | 04:35 |
| mchang | :) | 04:36 |
| mchang | been in and out of here looking for ppl doing actual dev on the n800 :) | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | you've been at the wrong time then | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:36 |
| smackpotato | k i just made my first small program today so i wont be much help | 04:37 |
| mchang | lol... i'm working on my first programs for the device the past couple days too | 04:38 |
| mchang | we are not going to be helpful for each other :) | 04:38 |
| lcuk_3 | you can be more helpful than you think | 04:39 |
| lcuk_3 | talk about what you discover along the way | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | and take notes | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | and publish tehm | 04:39 |
| mchang | i have been posting to maemo-dev | 04:39 |
| mchang | a couple messages here and there | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | them | 04:39 |
| mchang | KotCzarny: yup, that's what the internal trac system/wiki is for | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | internal? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | then it's of no use | 04:40 |
| mchang | well, i'm posting stuff as it gets useful | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:41 |
| lcuk_3 | im goin 2 bed, nite folks | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:41 |
| mchang | :) | 04:41 |
| mchang | well, i'll ask my question... anyone use much gstreamer stuff? | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | for now i would like to use direct hw banging | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:42 |
| mchang | KotCzarny: so, how do you get audio in and out? alsa? oss-media-server? | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | erm? | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | alsa/esd/esddsp/gst | 04:43 |
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| mchang | ah, ok. | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | as soon as i learn dsptasks i will use them direcyly | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | directly | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:44 |
| mchang | i just posted this to dev... but the volume of the mic input seems really low post wavenc using gst | 04:44 |
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| cLin | does anyone use a car mount for their tablet? | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | superglue + velcro? | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:24 |
| Tama^2 | eheh | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | this way it can be mounted on driving wheel.. | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | mm | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | can be dangerous though | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | ie. watching while driving | 05:26 |
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| Tama^2 | I am not entirely sure it is something I would advice | 05:26 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | 'advise' | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 05:26 |
| Tama^2 | right right | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | in briton english | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | in amo english your version is correct | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:27 |
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| KotCzarny | i think | 05:27 |
| modebit | Hello | 05:28 |
| Tama^2 | now that you mention it I suspect it may be wrong either way | 05:28 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 05:28 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 05:28 |
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| cLin | anyone use maemo mapper inhere? | 05:36 |
| * KotCzarny <--- | 05:36 | |
| KotCzarny | 'uses' | 05:36 |
| cLin | are you ever sitting in the car for a while and havethis happen | 05:36 |
| cLin | http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2617/screenshot01lg2.jpg | 05:36 |
| cLin | where the gps sort of trails off course? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have gps | 05:36 |
| cLin | i was sitting in a gas station waiting for a car to finish when i noticed that | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:36 |
| cLin | ok, anyone with a gps using maemo mapper in here? :P | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | may be just a disturbance in the force | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 05:38 |
| modebit | It is an interesting deviation | 05:38 |
| derf | GPS doesn't work very well when you're stationary. | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | or interesting driving | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:38 |
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| derf | Especially when you're under a huge canopy obscuring the sky, such as at a gas station. | 05:39 |
| cLin | i wasn't under it though | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | maybe under influence? | 05:39 |
| cLin | i was in thesun waiting for the damn car in front me of to hurry up | 05:39 |
| cLin | haha | 05:39 |
| modebit | Has anyone successfully installed the ESbox plugin for Eclipse? | 05:40 |
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| KotCzarny | .ni ? | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | i want a domain there :> | 05:42 |
| Prez00_ | nicaragua | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | how much registering domain here costs? | 05:44 |
| Prez00_ | i probably have the only n800 in the whole country, haha | 05:44 |
| Prez00_ | $50/year, I think, last time i registered domain here was about 8 years ago... | 05:45 |
| modebit | I was going to say. | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | quite costly | 05:45 |
| cLin | anyone know of any sites i can download POIs from for maemo mapper? | 05:46 |
| Prez00_ | yep | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | Registration Fee for most domains: $ 259.00 | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | i should get me some nice domain | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | Nicaragua has around 171,600 Telephone lines and 90,000 Internet users | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 05:49 |
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| Prez00_ | i think that 90K figure might be dated | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | but i think this information is outdated | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 05:51 |
| Prez00_ | should be a bit more than that | 05:51 |
| Prez00_ | so any interesting updates to N800 lately? | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | define 'interesting' | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:54 |
| Prez00_ | basically new | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | define 'new' | 05:55 |
| Prez00_ | haha | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | i assume you know about os2008 ? | 05:55 |
| Prez00_ | I am not at very latest firmware, as I understand it was only a minor bug fix | 05:55 |
| Brains | I installed nethack earlier.. That counts as interesting, right? | 05:55 |
| Prez00_ | yeah, am at os2008 | 05:55 |
| Prez00_ | what's nethack? | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | kind of roguelike game | 05:56 |
| Prez00_ | let me look it up | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | but has kitchen sink :P | 05:56 |
| Brains | I think the lack of knowledge of rogue/nethack should be grounds for nokia seizure... | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | or any computer like device | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | in that matter | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:58 |
| Prez00_ | lol | 05:58 |
| Prez00_ | is there something that can point out wifi networks with a beep or something, like warn when there are open networks in range? | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 06:00 |
| * Brains is still waiting for a kismet release... | 06:06 | |
| Prez00_ | kismet on n800 would be great | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | |> 01-Benny_Benassi_Presents_The_Biz_-_Satisfaction(Skazi_Rmx)-H.S.mp3 | 06:09 |
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| Brains | The kismet guy (dagorn?) apparently has it working and, once sorted out, a release should be in the works. Check the blog on the kismet site. | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | desktop-backgrounds package isn't open source? | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | gnuchess too? | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | ah. sorry | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | wrong column | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:20 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4203 | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 07:23 |
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| cLin | where is everyone | 09:05 |
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| KotCzarny | watching adf demos | 09:06 |
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| christefano | is anyone running GnuPG on maemo? | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 09:07 |
| Proteous | always so helpful | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | could be worse | 09:10 |
| Proteous | always | 09:10 |
| Proteous | there could be no sarcasm | 09:10 |
| Proteous | then it would be much much worse | 09:10 |
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| KotCzarny | there's always irony for a backup | 09:11 |
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| * truls wants full gnupg | 09:19 | |
| truls | hm, considering the time since last i checked, it's probably available | 09:19 |
| christefano | truls: I found a version for OS 2006 but so far I haven't seen anything newer | 09:19 |
| truls | ok | 09:19 |
| christefano | http://www.cs.cornell.edu/zlt/maemo/gnupg_1.4.3_arm.deb | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | 1.4.8 is newest | 09:20 |
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| christefano | thanks, but I just said it wasn't new :P | 09:22 |
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| KotCzarny | i bet it compiles without a problem | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | compiled ok | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/1/20/gnupg-1.4.8/g10# ./gpg --version | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.8 | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:38 |
| truls | compile != deb-package available :) | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | pf | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a slackware man | 09:39 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't need no deb-packages :) | 09:39 |
| * truls wont pollute his n800 | 09:40 | |
| KotCzarny | have you got extras enabled? | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:40 |
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| KotCzarny | All 27 tests passed | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:42 |
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| christefano | KotCzarny: are you compiling GnuPG? | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | it finished already | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | and i did make check too | 09:46 |
| christefano | bwaaa | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | seems to work out-of-the-box | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | grab the sdk and start compiling/packaging :) | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | there's even lazy-people vmware image | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | that's ready to go in windows | 09:47 |
| christefano | at the moment that would be me | 09:47 |
| christefano | does it work only in Windows? | 09:48 |
| christefano | shudder | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | vmware isn't windows bound | 09:48 |
| christefano | so "it's ready to go in Windows" was a nonsequitur? :) | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | can be substituted ready to go in linux too | 09:49 |
| christefano | woohoo | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | but if you use linux just grab sdk | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | installation is 2 scripts | 09:49 |
| christefano | do you have a URL for the image? | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | just google maemo sdk vmware | 09:49 |
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| christefano | righto | 09:50 |
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| christefano | it will take a few hours for this to download. in the meantime, can the SDK create a deb package? | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | if the source is debianized, yes | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | if not you will need to create a file or two | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | containig description etc | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | i bet you could use the debian/ dir from 1.4.3 | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | then it's a simple one command co build deb package from the source | 09:53 |
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| KotCzarny | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 09:53 |
| christefano | darn it. that is easy. | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | ^ command to build | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, only needs some maintenance work, like checking dependencies etc | 09:54 |
| christefano | well, I did get this N810 because it was an open device | 09:54 |
| christefano | I'd might as well dive in | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | sure you should | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | part of the fun is creating | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:55 |
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| christefano | is this channel logged? | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:56 |
| christefano | in that case, I won't shout at the top of my lungs how frickin cool this is and how much I love you | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | but i haven't created all those tools and howtos | 09:57 |
| christefano | the howto by GeneralAntiles was pretty darn helpful | 09:57 |
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| legind | is there a changelog for the latest OS2008? | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 10:17 |
| legind | my n800 keeps randomly shutting down - wondering if this latest revision will fix it | 10:17 |
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| KotCzarny | probably | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | it can't get any worse (and flashing is 99.9% safe) | 10:19 |
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| legind | yeah | 10:23 |
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| rm_you | legind: mine does the same thing | 10:32 |
| rm_you | seems like since i upgraded to 2008 | 10:32 |
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| legind | rm_you, which release are you using? | 10:32 |
| rm_you | i'm on the newest now, and it seems to happen still | 10:32 |
| legind | blah | 10:32 |
| rm_you | though i think my issue MAY be connected to a hardware problem? | 10:33 |
| rm_you | but i can't be certain | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: disabling hw watchdog doesn't help? | 10:33 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: have not tried it... i was going to, but people said i would just end up with a white screen and a locked up machine | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | or at least changing grace period | 10:33 |
| rm_you | instead of a rebooting one | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | 60sec is quite a short time | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | 5minutes could be reasonable | 10:34 |
| rm_you | also, this problem is actually a SHUTDOWN, i was under the impression that watchdog did a reboot | 10:34 |
| rm_you | hrm | 10:34 |
| rm_you | how would i change that? | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | probably some /proc or /sys file | 10:34 |
| rm_you | also, i've had it shutdown right in the middle of playing music | 10:34 |
| rm_you | >_> | 10:34 |
| rm_you | like, i was clicking things on it, and it was responding | 10:35 |
| rm_you | >_> | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | mine rebooted once or twice, but only after i did something stupid as root | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:35 |
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| lardman | morning all | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:42 |
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| KotCzarny | lardman, what were you hacking? | 10:43 |
| lardman | nah, been on holiday in Oz | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | pity. | 10:43 |
| lardman | why's that? | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | i've thought you will come back with gifts | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:43 |
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| lardman | no, not a computer in sight, was nice after the first few days getting over the lack-of-information | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:44 |
| koshi_ | Hmm, been trying to find out a possibility of using a usb to vga with n8x0 but so far failed miserably, anyone know anything about it? | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | you could have gotten gcc with you on nokia :) | 10:44 |
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| lardman | no way, tried that on the Zaurus and it was far too slow | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | gcc or usbvga? | 10:45 |
| lardman | I did watch some movies on the n810 though, which I'd never done before | 10:45 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: gcc | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | i ran some gcc compilations on n800 | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | worked reasonably | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | (comparing to p3@566) | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:46 |
| lardman | :) | 10:46 |
| inz | I guess it depends also on what you compile | 10:46 |
| lardman | the n8x0 have enough memory, I think that was a major pain on the Zaurus | 10:46 |
| inz | Compiling cmake on n8x0 might take a while | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | another way is ssh :> | 10:47 |
| inz | IIRC g++ was taking at least half-a-gig at some point | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | i remember doing -O3 on some uae package | 10:48 |
| lardman | I've heard people complaining about certain cities not being in the map app, and never really paid it much attention, but Adelaide isn't in there, and it's in a different timezone which was a pita | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | eated +700mb ram and my swap ran out | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:48 |
| lardman | s/map app/world map time app | 10:48 |
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| KotCzarny | *ate | 10:50 |
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| lardman | ~lart unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them | 10:54 |
| * infobot_ send killer squirrels to attack unreadable SD cards with all my holiday photos on them | 10:54 | |
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| christefano | KotCzarny: my download of the SDK is only 1/3 done. did you by chance make a deb package? | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | christefano: nope, i'm watching old ami demos | 11:00 |
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| KotCzarny | and going to sleep | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:00 |
| christefano | ah, excellent | 11:00 |
| christefano | sleep does a body good | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. | 11:01 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:02 |
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| Spakman | hello everyone | 11:06 |
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| lardman | has there been a new chinook release in the past few weeks | 11:19 |
| lardman | ? | 11:19 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Nope, only the boot fix. | 11:20 |
| lardman | is that the thing that was stopping some n810s from starting up, depending on the hw rev? | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | yep. | 11:21 |
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| lardman | what was the cause, or were we not told? | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | Timing issue in bringing the OMAP up.. | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | Bootloader fix.. | 11:21 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | Only the bootloader needs to be flashed for that. It is a full FIASCO image, but nothing else changed.. | 11:22 |
| lardman | I've got old hw anyway, just interested to know what was tweaked | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Meanwhile we have been working on a maemo extras autobuilder, would you like help beta test it? | 11:24 |
| lardman | I'm happy to help, but not immediately. Going to be pretty busy catching up for a while | 11:25 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe, I can imagine ;) | 11:25 |
| lardman | what autobuilder are you using? | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | http://bifh.org/wiki/sbdmock | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade | Instructions for maemo extras BuildME: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g | 11:27 |
| hrw | hi lardman | 11:27 |
| lardman | cool, I'll have a read once I've got through my email backlog :( | 11:28 |
| lardman | hey hrw, how are you | 11:28 |
| hrw | lardman: fine when Mira allows us to sleep during night | 11:28 |
| lardman | hrw: new addition to the family? | 11:31 |
| hrw | yes | 11:31 |
| lardman | congratulations :) | 11:32 |
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| hrw | thx | 11:32 |
| hrw | lardman: toomrrow she will be 3weeks old | 11:32 |
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| lardman | :) | 11:33 |
| timely | congrats | 11:33 |
| hrw | thx htx | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm now that Silverlight is supposed to be coming to the tablet, will we see VC-1 support too? :) | 11:44 |
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| timely | they aren't related | 11:44 |
| timely | and we couldn't comment unless it was announced | 11:44 |
| timely | but one would assume that vc-1 was something people wanted to do.. | 11:45 |
| timely | they're different people of course | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Well, Silverlight is announce here: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1197788 | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | And Silverlight uses VC-1 as video format, but yeah.. | 11:47 |
| timely | btw, did microsoft say it was making the port or did nokia say it was doing it? | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | There is only info about Silverlight on S60. That is being done by Microsoft.. | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | "Microsoft will demonstrate Silverlight on S60 during the opening keyote at Microsoft's MIX08 conference on March 5 in Las Vegas." | 11:48 |
| timely | oh right | 11:48 |
| * timely can't reach *.nokia.com | 11:48 | |
| timely | it's a security feature, i think | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | "Espoo, Finland - Nokia today announced plans to make Microsoft Silverlight available for S60 on Symbian OS, the world's leading smartphone software(1), as well as for Series 40 devices and Nokia Internet tablets." | 11:49 |
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| X-Fade | But that is just an announcement, no details on implementation. | 11:49 |
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| timely | eh | 11:50 |
| timely | "Microsoft Silverlight available for ... Nokia Internet tablets will be confirmed later" | 11:50 |
| jaska_ | not that id want to have anything to do with silverlight :) | 11:51 |
| timely | X-Fade: you didn't read the annoucement carefully enough :)\ | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | timely: 'availability' | 11:51 |
| timely | traNS TYPING IS hard :) | 11:52 |
| timely | but theoretically it could be denied later, no ? :) | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | timely: So that is just when the announce 'it is available now' ;) | 11:52 |
| aquatix | timely: yeah | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | Sure :) | 11:52 |
| timely | anyway, i think based on the way it's written, that for now, i'll work under the assumption that ms will do the port | 11:53 |
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| aquatix | there will be a linux port too | 11:53 |
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| aquatix | so maybe that is going to be ported to maemo then | 11:53 |
| timely | "too"? | 11:53 |
| timely | more likely, yes | 11:53 |
| aquatix | timely: yeah, as in "port to OS-X, S60 etc" | 11:54 |
| aquatix | and ``linux too'' | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: I don't think they talk about the Mono port here.. | 11:54 |
| aquatix | oh, was that a mono thing | 11:54 |
| aquatix | ew | 11:54 |
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| aquatix | not surprising though | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Mono's implementation of Silverlight is already available for linux.. | 11:55 |
| * timely doesn't like press releases | 11:55 | |
| aquatix | oh | 11:55 |
| * aquatix doesn't want silverlight, so didn't follow all that | 11:55 | |
| X-Fade | timely: Yeah, I like firmware updates better. | 11:55 |
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| sp3000 | someone should make a compiler that consumes press releases and we're set | 11:58 |
| jaska_ | and outputs what? | 11:59 |
| aquatix | ooh, code generation from press releases | 11:59 |
| aquatix | that will be interesting to watch | 11:59 |
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| aquatix | but i guess you will get some vista-lookalike, only with the bloat they promised earlier on | 12:02 |
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| pupnik_ | why is internal mmc2 on the n810 vfat anyway... | 14:22 |
| jaska_ | compatibility with windows hosts using it as a storage device id assume | 14:22 |
| johnx | so it can be read by windows over usb? | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | oh duh. thanks | 14:22 |
| glass | jaska_: my guess as well | 14:23 |
| pupnik_ | i forgot people use windows | 14:23 |
| johnx | yeah, over time I slowly end up with all my usb sticks formatted ext2/3, then I need to format vfat them before I can bring them over to a friend's house... | 14:23 |
| lardman | What happens to SD cards to make them unreadable? Not just the filesystem being knackered as fsck.vfat is not interested, and the fdisk shows the partition is present | 14:27 |
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| derf | lardman: N810? | 14:27 |
| johnx | tell fsck.vfat to check anyways and be verbose | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Use one of those photo retrieval applications on the SD card.. | 14:28 |
| johnx | I bet it finds problems | 14:28 |
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| lardman | derf: no, digital camera actually, but I seem to remember people having troubles with the N800 | 14:28 |
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| derf | Well, on the N800 the kernel driver sucked big time. | 14:28 |
| johnx | sd drivers on mobile linux have always seemed kind ... off | 14:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah, recovered some blobs of data but they are not all there | 14:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade: the blobs are only partial | 14:29 |
| johnx | dd that thing and start wachking on it with a hex editor I guess :/ | 14:29 |
| aquatix | johnx: on handhelds in general i think | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Before you do anything. dd the entrire partition to a file.. | 14:29 |
| lardman | john_: yeah | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | Ehm, yeah.. slow.. | 14:29 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yep I've done that | 14:29 |
| lardman | When using dd, do I need to set the bs parameter? | 14:29 |
| johnx | it's my understanding that you only need to start setting parameters on dd if your source has errors. Can someone confirm that? | 14:30 |
| pupnik_ | i've heard that too... conv,sync etc | 14:30 |
| * johnx doesn't like to give bad advice when data is at stake... | 14:30 | |
| X-Fade | Setting block size can speed up the copy.. | 14:31 |
| lardman | but nothing other than that? | 14:31 |
| johnx | you start needing weird things if you have I/O errors on the source | 14:32 |
| derf | Well, by default dd will skip blocks it can't read... but it doesn't write anything in their place. | 14:32 |
| johnx | but otherwise I've always just done dd if=/dev/hda1 of=filesystem.img and had no problems | 14:32 |
| derf | So if you miss one block in the middle, nothing after it is where it's supposed to be. | 14:33 |
| lardman | ok, I did as johnx says | 14:33 |
| derf | Hence conv, sync, etc. | 14:33 |
| anders_ | If there are io errors, there is a program called ddrescue that handles it better if there are errors. | 14:33 |
| * lardman googles that one | 14:33 | |
| johnx | I bet you just have a corrupted fs though | 14:33 |
| lardman | shouldn't fsck fix that though? | 14:34 |
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| johnx | use fsck.vfat and force it to check and be verbose | 14:34 |
| johnx | the fs might be *marked* clean, but not really be clean | 14:34 |
| lardman | no, fsck actually fails as it can't read the device | 14:35 |
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| johnx | aaaah | 14:35 |
| johnx | when you said "fsck has no interest" I thought you mean it didn't want to check because it thought the fs was clean :) | 14:35 |
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| lardman | I used sdrecover and it recovers the start of each jpeg | 14:35 |
| lardman | johnx: sorry, I should have been specific | 14:36 |
| johnx | what is fsck giving you for an error and what is in your dmesg | 14:36 |
| johnx | ? | 14:36 |
| johnx | and how much do you care about the contents? | 14:36 |
| lardman | I've not got the box in front of me atm, will copy data down at lunch | 14:36 |
| lardman | photos from my holiday | 14:36 |
| johnx | how big is the card? | 14:37 |
| lardman | 2Gb | 14:37 |
| lardman | though my dd only returned ~915Mb | 14:38 |
| johnx | ugh | 14:38 |
| lardman | card wasn't full though | 14:38 |
| johnx | it should give you a full bit for bit copy | 14:38 |
| lardman | yeah, that's what I feared | 14:39 |
| johnx | dd isn't "clever" if it sees a 1 in the source it prints a 1 in the output, then slides over to the next bit | 14:39 |
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| johnx | so dd printed a scary error message? | 14:40 |
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| lardman | no, dd just ran and produced less data than I expected | 14:40 |
| johnx | hmm...very odd | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | dmesg? | 14:41 |
| * zuh did a paintjob: http://iki.fi/zuh/N800-pimp3d.jpg | 14:41 | |
| johnx | you ran it against the partition or the device? | 14:41 |
| lardman | device | 14:41 |
| johnx | zuh, that's pretty slick actually :D | 14:41 |
| lardman | hang fire for 15min and I'll head home then I can actually answer with the data in front of me | 14:41 |
| zuh | johnx: Beats the dull gray at least :) | 14:41 |
| johnx | sure, I'll be on for a bit at least | 14:42 |
| aquatix | zuh: looks pretty good :) | 14:42 |
| lardman | johnx: cheers | 14:42 |
| aquatix | only the little holes aren't black? | 14:42 |
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| zuh | Those are a bit problematic, and I don't like them currently. Some of them actually filled up, but since most didn't I just poked them open. | 14:43 |
| aquatix | hm, that sucks indeed | 14:43 |
| aquatix | spray paint? | 14:43 |
| zuh | Yeah | 14:43 |
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| aquatix | nice | 14:44 |
| * aquatix is rather happy with the default case of his n810 ;) | 14:44 | |
| pupnik | like the emperor with his clothes? | 14:44 |
| zuh | I don't really use the speakers so I wouldn't mind filling them up, but then again, I think that's the only method of any extenral cooling so dunno if it would have a negative effect on lifespan... | 14:45 |
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| aquatix | zuh: good point | 14:45 |
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| pupnik | wow looks nice zuh | 14:46 |
| aquatix | cooling is also done through the plastic itself i guess, but having some airholes will be handy ;) | 14:46 |
| pupnik | real paint or gimp'd? | 14:46 |
| aquatix | pupnik: spray paint | 14:46 |
| zuh | It's real | 14:46 |
| pupnik | sorry aquatix - thought you were talking about a protective case | 14:46 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 14:46 |
| aquatix | nah, have the default sleeve | 14:46 |
| zuh | pupnik: You can look closely for my crappy edge finishes to verify ;) | 14:47 |
| aquatix | it's quite nice too ;) | 14:47 |
| aquatix | zuh: hey, it's better than i would manage ;) | 14:47 |
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| zuh | At least now my device is very unlikely to be mistaken to the ones at the office | 14:50 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 14:52 |
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| johnx | mornin' | 14:53 |
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| aquatix | zuh: i'm the only one with an n810 in a wide area :) | 14:59 |
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| johnx | aquatix, same here with my n800 :) | 15:01 |
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| lardman | johnx: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d40ab9806 is dmesg output when I insert the SD card | 15:11 |
| johnx | ick | 15:11 |
| lardman | yeah | 15:12 |
| aquatix | whoa | 15:12 |
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| johnx | well, definitely fire ddrescue at it pronto | 15:12 |
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| aquatix | hm, Harware Error? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | Zapped by airport security? :) | 15:13 |
| johnx | I wish I knew about ddrescue the last time I did data retrieval... | 15:13 |
| lardman | X-Fade: no, just went tits up while I was using the camera | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | Ouch. | 15:14 |
| johnx | hang on...is it just those 2 sectors O_o | 15:15 |
| johnx | ...and maybe a borked partition table or something? | 15:15 |
| lardman | johnx: yes, looks like it | 15:15 |
| johnx | anyways, image the whole card with ddrescue | 15:16 |
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| lardman | ok, just looking at the help | 15:16 |
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| lardman | well it's running and hasn't reported any errors, yet... | 15:19 |
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| johnx | well it will when it gets to 227 and 228, then hopefully it will get the rest of the device | 15:19 |
| johnx | that would be *really neat* | 15:20 |
| lardman | here come the errors | 15:20 |
| lardman | first 724942 kB ok, all errors from here on in from the looks of it | 15:20 |
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| johnx | give it time | 15:21 |
| lardman | what does it do, keep trying to read the erroneous 'sectors'? | 15:22 |
| johnx | I think it skips forward when it hits errors, then runs in reverse | 15:22 |
| johnx | the strategy probably makes more sense on a magnetic disk...but worth a shot | 15:22 |
| johnx | out of curiosity, do you remember if the camera was running low on batteries when the card died? | 15:23 |
| lardman | ok, I've got ~20Mb of errors atm, presumably it might skip past this error region and continue | 15:23 |
| lardman | johnx: low but not flat iirc | 15:23 |
| johnx | interesting | 15:23 |
| johnx | the N800 SDHC killing bug had to do with dropping voltage to cards while they were still writing | 15:24 |
| lardman | yep, that was the bit I remembered :( | 15:24 |
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| aquatix | johnx: that bug has been fixed? | 15:25 |
| lardman | unfortunately it looks like the sector errors stretch further on: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d340fdde1 | 15:25 |
| johnx | a loooong time ago | 15:25 |
| aquatix | ah, good ;) | 15:26 |
| pupnik | it seems to be safe to shutdown mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler | 15:26 |
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| lardman | when dd(rescue) reads a given sector, is that a physical sector, or is there a wear levelling layer in between? | 15:28 |
| johnx | IIRC, the wear leveling happens inside the SD card | 15:28 |
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| johnx | so that sector number is whatever the card is telling the controller, which then tells the Linux sd driver | 15:29 |
| lardman | ok, so I've got ~700Mb recovered at the beginning, would be be reasonable to assume that the photos would be stored at the start of the disk to begin with (ignoring partition tables, etc. at the start) | 15:29 |
| lardman | i.e. stored at the start of the partition | 15:30 |
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| johnx | I *think* that was the situation the last time I did this | 15:30 |
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| mbuf | what is required to be installed on OS2007 for N800, for pygst modules? | 15:39 |
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| johnx | lardman, yeah stuff is probably close to the beginning | 15:40 |
| johnx | lardman, how goes it? | 15:41 |
| * lardman crosses fingers | 15:41 | |
| lardman | still going, 158MB error size now | 15:41 |
| lardman | "rescued: 724942 kB, errsize: 159 MB", so a while to go yet | 15:41 |
| * lardman wonders why Google is so slow | 15:42 | |
| johnx | alright. I need to catch some sleep. I'll be around tomorrow though. When working on this remember to keep an *absolutely pristine* image and then copy that to somewhere before making changes / running tools | 15:43 |
| johnx | if you don't get anywhere with it I can look at it tomorrow | 15:43 |
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| lardman | thanks, will let you know how I get on | 15:43 |
| johnx | good luck | 15:43 |
| johnx | 'night | 15:43 |
| lardman | cheers :) night | 15:44 |
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| mbuf | anythings needs to be installed for this error? "/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libstivorbis.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"? | 16:05 |
| mbuf | OS2007 | 16:05 |
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| ihateSymbian | does anyhere have a publisher id for symbian signed????????????? if u do and want $20 pm me | 16:59 |
| aquatix | and you're asking in #maemo? | 17:00 |
| shackan | hahahaha | 17:01 |
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| elb | you can tell he's serious by all the question marks | 17:07 |
| ihateSymbian | man im asking everywhere | 17:07 |
| ihateSymbian | getting desprate | 17:07 |
| elb | you know they sell those legally, right? | 17:07 |
| elb | I'm not sure why anyone who legally purchased one would want to violate their terms of service for a measly $20 | 17:08 |
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| czr | elb, if they're equally desperate? :-) | 17:09 |
| elb | heh | 17:09 |
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| Mikho | would somebody know if the usb port in N810 is powered? | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | only 100mA | 19:03 |
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| Mikho | is it good for anything? | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | keyboard, mouse, maybe some flash memory | 19:04 |
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| Mikho | so, if I have a rfid reader connected to the usb port with operational power of 120mA, it probably won't work? | 19:09 |
| Mikho | hard to tell but... | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | it may | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | but will be out of spec | 19:09 |
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| Mikho | it's maybe better to look for other options | 19:10 |
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| jamey_ | Mikho: what are you using for an rfid reader? | 19:18 |
| pupnik | that's a neat project! | 19:18 |
| pupnik | rfid reader on tablet++ | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | pf, rfid is evil | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:19 |
| pupnik | which is why it's cool to be able to detect em | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | and hack'em ? | 19:19 |
| Mikho | rfid isn't evil, it's more like chaotic neutral | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | but that will require much more than usb can provide | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | mikho: imo it's more lawfull evil | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:20 |
| Mikho | there are lots of things you can do with an rfid reader | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | ie. order used for gains :> | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | but still, in the end it will be used by B.B. people | 19:21 |
| Mikho | I found a stylus shaped bluetooth rfid-reader, but it was something like 600$ | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:21 |
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| Mikho | -> out of the question | 19:22 |
| * KotCzarny looks at the pentium-m@600mhz running 50fps euae demos (at 40% cpu idle) | 19:22 | |
| pupnik | just build an rfid zapper | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: btw. have you tried kick2.0 ? | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | in euae i get lower cpu usage | 19:23 |
| pupnik | yes all kicks work for me with the 'run first' method | 19:23 |
| pupnik | hmm | 19:23 |
| pupnik | ty | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | but i may be wrong | 19:23 |
| pupnik | lets work on functionality | 19:24 |
| pupnik | optimization later | 19:24 |
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| pupnik | i keep forgetting who runs infobot | 19:59 |
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| elb | TimRiker | 20:01 |
| elb | who we can all thank for being responsible enough to put it in the bot's WHOIS | 20:01 |
| acydlord | for the previous convo, rfid isnt evil, it is just being used for evil | 20:04 |
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| pupnik | jott: around? | 20:11 |
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| pupnik | i want someone like inz, fanoush, ssvb, glass, derf to tell me I can compile an sdl app with gcc 4.3 and get better optimization :() | 20:11 |
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| lcuk_3 | pup, whether it is sdl or not isnt the point (unless you rebuild sdl with current favorite opts), its whether your code can be optimised by gcc | 20:21 |
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| lcuk_3 | actually, do you get any benefit optimizing sdl? | 20:22 |
| lcuk_3 | or is the maemo build already nice | 20:22 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_3: there are some functions that ssvb has investigated which could be improved | 20:24 |
| pupnik | however i'm more interested in the profiler and optimizations available in 4.2-4.3 | 20:25 |
| lcuk_3 | you mean sdl functions? or within uae | 20:25 |
| pupnik | no sdl is just something that has to be linked against | 20:25 |
| pupnik | i mean the core app | 20:25 |
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| lcuk_3 | unless you find optimised versions of the sdl timewasters | 20:25 |
| pupnik | eventually everything can bypass sdl | 20:26 |
| pupnik | for video updates | 20:26 |
| lcuk_3 | are you running 32-64 color (5/6plane) games or are you trying to get HAM mode working? | 20:26 |
| pupnik | the only reason i mention it is to indicate that these apps do not link to hildon stuff, so if there are incompatibilities due to gcc 4.3, they would not affect these games | 20:26 |
| pupnik | 32-64 | 20:26 |
| lcuk_3 | good point | 20:26 |
| lcuk_3 | its a shame the LCD doesnt have a 256 color palette mode | 20:27 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:27 |
| lcuk_3 | you are wasting so much time moving the data around expanding from a small subset into an expanse of data | 20:27 |
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| lcuk_3 | this graphics conversion is something the SIMD instructions could possibly handle - or of course you could offload it all to the dsp | 20:29 |
| lcuk_3 | will bbl anyways | 20:30 |
| pupnik | k cheers | 20:30 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: if you get gcc 4.x running and outputting running code it will | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:34 |
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| TimRiker | zoran: what's the issue? | 20:57 |
| TimRiker | ~owner | 20:57 |
| infobot_ | TimRiker is my owner | 20:57 |
| TimRiker | ~wantnick infobot | 20:57 |
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| pupnik | is infobot usable to train for faqs TimRiker ? | 20:58 |
| lcuk_3 | "Help me infobot, you're my only hope" | 20:58 |
| TimRiker | pupnik: sure. | 20:59 |
| TimRiker | the bot is in a ton of channels, so there's already a ton of factoids. | 20:59 |
| TimRiker | ~status | 20:59 |
| infobot | Since Sun Mar 9 03:58:25 2008, there have been 7 modifications, 174 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 80 commands. I have been awake for 1d 15h 1m 24s this session, and currently reference 114495 factoids. I'm using about 18788 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2953.19/121.49 child 0.02/0.07 | 20:59 |
| pupnik | !factoid gronmayer | 21:01 |
| jott | pupnik: just tested uae4all seems to run with gcc 4.2.1 | 21:01 |
| pupnik | help woo! | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | -help :) | 21:01 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: have you built it or installed binaries? | 21:03 |
| jott | its the cs toolchain installed from jhakalas debs | 21:03 |
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| spirytusick | elou :) | 21:05 |
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| TimRiker | pupnik: infobot uses ~ for addressing. | 21:12 |
| TimRiker | ~gronmayer | 21:12 |
| TimRiker | ~seen pupnik | 21:12 |
| infobot | pupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 10m 59s, last said: '-help :)'. | 21:12 |
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| pupnik | ty | 21:14 |
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| pupnik | ~gronmayer | 21:15 |
| infobot | hmm... gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it | 21:15 |
| pupnik | great | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | ~pupnik | 21:17 |
| infobot | hmm... pupnik is testing infobot | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:17 |
| lcuk_3 | ~seen infobot | 21:17 |
| infobot | infobot is currently on #cwxtesting #utos #maemo #fredlug #opensimpad.org #android #asterisk-bugs # #wowhead #infobot #lugot #mseide #wowwiki, last said: 'TimRiker meant: fixing it now to not msg if there was no edit. Cool!'. | 21:17 |
| lcuk_3 | stalking! | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | 15:19:33 up 95 days, 9:25, load average: 0.21, 0.04, 0.01 | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | not bad for a wrt54g ;) | 21:19 |
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| lmoura | is there any way to check the hildon-desktop output when loading an applet on the device? (It works in scratchbox) | 21:20 |
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| KotCzarny | lmoura: run it from xterm | 21:21 |
| lcuk_3 | and make sure you rebuilt it totally for arm | 21:22 |
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| * lcuk_3 doesnt ever build for x86 any more and tests directly on device | 21:23 | |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs rulez | 21:23 |
| lmoura | it's a python plugin :) | 21:23 |
| lmoura | I'm trying to see if the loader is working fine | 21:23 |
| pupnik | Killvideo rendered: 3164 emulated 3164 | 21:23 |
| pupnik | FPS: 92.87 | 21:23 |
| pupnik | sound still broken | 21:24 |
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| pupnik | [26080.328125] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 21:26 |
| pupnik | [26084.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | powersaving debug, safe to ignore | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:26 |
| pupnik | ok | 21:27 |
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| pupnik | WOOHOOOOOO got sound! | 21:28 |
| * pupnik dances | 21:28 | |
| KotCzarny | what app? | 21:28 |
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| pupnik | fceu2 | 21:28 |
| * lcuk_3 bangs on pupniks wall - "TURN THAT BLOODY MUSIC DOWN!" | 21:28 | |
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| KotCzarny | what's that? | 21:28 |
| pupnik | hehehe "bleep bleep" | 21:28 |
| lcuk_3 | lol | 21:29 |
| pupnik | the new NES emulator | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:29 |
| pupnik | sooo happy | 21:29 |
| * jott hands pupnik an un-mute button | 21:29 | |
| lcuk_3 | its quite easy to mix c++ with regular c isnt it - as in, i can keep the core code i have written so far in std c and just build an object model up for other stuff in c++ | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:30 |
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| jott | lcuk_3: you may have to use the extern "c" keyword | 21:33 |
| lcuk_3 | yer, i can do a merry little dance around all my code, but i dont wanna have to rewrite all of it :) i havent touched ++ for a while but no doubt it will come flooding backl | 21:34 |
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| * jott demangles lcuk_3 | 21:35 | |
| KotCzarny | <code>can'ttouchthis</code> | 21:35 |
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| lcuk_3 | well the c part has been easy - most of the stuff is single shot - 1 video card, one canvass, 1 book etc. now i want to build the ui and need mutliple elements and that fits the class model better | 21:36 |
| jott | s/canvass/canvas/ :) | 21:36 |
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| * lcuk_3 hits jott on head with a heavy dictionary | 21:37 | |
| KotCzarny | canv-ass | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:37 |
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| lcuk_3 | if i spell it with one s tho it looks wrong | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | then you need to look at it more | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | write on you keyboard or monitor | 21:42 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, even the dictionary looks wrong | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's called photographic memory | 21:42 |
| lcuk_3 | mayybe i should rewrite wikipedia | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | alone against nazipedians? | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:42 |
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| ynezz | does anybody knows about some kind of unix socket sniffer or proxy or whatever so I can monitor it's data flow? | 21:51 |
| _Shurik_ | tcodump? | 21:52 |
| _Shurik_ | tcpdump I mean | 21:52 |
| ynezz | hm, good idea | 21:53 |
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| pupnik | hah perfect sound sync ... 44khz | 21:53 |
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| _Shurik_ | what? you finaly got Crysis running on 770???? | 21:54 |
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| pupnik | hi _Shurik_ | 21:54 |
| _Shurik_ | heya mega porter :) | 21:54 |
| pupnik | oop i just heard a glitch! | 21:54 |
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| pupnik | and how can this be? | 21:54 |
| pupnik | ... for he is the Quisatz Haderach! | 21:54 |
| lcdd | ynezz: tcpflow is also sometimes handy | 21:55 |
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| elb | I thought that was Kwisatz | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | depends on translation | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:58 |
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| elb | I read it in the original English ;-) | 21:58 |
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| ynezz | Nokia-N810-51-3:~# tcpdump -w gps_driver_ctrl_socket.tcpdump.txt -i /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl -X | 22:02 |
| ynezz | tcpdump: SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device | 22:02 |
| ynezz | hmpf, it don't work | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | http://de.fishki.net/picsw/032008/07/law_and_order/002_law_and_order.jpg | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | 'doesn't' | 22:02 |
| ynezz | ok :) | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | ynezz: i thinkk cat could work? | 22:03 |
| ynezz | nope | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | dd? | 22:03 |
| ynezz | it's not regular file | 22:03 |
| _Shurik_ | chitaem fishki.net? | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | czitajem | 22:04 |
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| spirytusick | 'lo :) | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | hi spirytusik | 22:09 |
| spirytusick | hey hey Cat :) | 22:09 |
| spirytusick | hey pupnik | 22:09 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: uae working realy nice now :) a lot of stuff is useable or watchable, definitely listenable :) | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:10 |
| pupnik | new build? | 22:11 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: nope :) I suppose it is the same still, i did not update :) | 22:11 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: but it is a fun to use already :) | 22:11 |
| pupnik | yes, but it must get better | 22:11 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: been watching demos all the way to and from work :) | 22:11 |
| pupnik | heheh | 22:12 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: time and patience I suppose :) | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | spirtusik: 20% easy gain is achievable over my build | 22:12 |
| pupnik | and her http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | you can try pupniks one | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't get around to do gcc profiled build | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:12 |
| pupnik | problem is my profiled built is not better in all situations | 22:13 |
| pupnik | but it's significant in superfrog | 22:13 |
| pupnik | tetris is faster too | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:13 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: and of course a lot of dominatrix driven work :) | 22:13 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: I cannot seem to get the dpad to work on every occassion. What are the mappings exactly ? joy up/down/left/right/fire ? | 22:14 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: are you still tinkering with it ? | 22:14 |
| pupnik | what u mean on every occasion? | 22:14 |
| pupnik | for every app? | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | in my build fullscreen button is fire | 22:14 |
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| KotCzarny | and dpad sends codes for cursors AND joy movements | 22:15 |
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| legind | has anyone been having problems using ukmp with the latest os2008? | 22:15 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: some of the games I tried did not seem to pick it up. Walker/Unreal/Ivanhoe to be exact | 22:15 |
| legind | for me, it finishes loading album covers and the screen simply goes black. I need to use the task button to exit the process | 22:16 |
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| lcuk_3 | bad album art? | 22:22 |
| lcuk_3 | one bad image could seriously wreck your day | 22:23 |
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| legind | lcuk_3, it loaded fine in the previous os2008 | 22:44 |
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| lcuk_3 | legind, sorry then was just something i did when switching from scratchbox to real | 23:12 |
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| KotCzarny | [252088.984375] onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | [252088.984375] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock4, sector 137984 | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 23:32 |
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| spirytusick | internal flash going bye bye ? | 23:35 |
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| Tama^2 | I doubt it | 23:35 |
| spirytusick | or trying to access it too fast ? | 23:36 |
| Tama^2 | I am sure it will not happen again (I hope for you it doesn't ;-P) | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | it stops at the same block | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:31 m4 | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:33 m4.1 | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | at 2 tries | 23:36 |
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| Tama^2 | ouch | 23:36 |
| Tama^2 | double ouch | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | some kind of bb marking would be nice | 23:37 |
| Tama^2 | onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 | 23:37 |
| Tama^2 | Error 0x2440: You are screwed, Sir | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | i think jffs2 would map it as a bb | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | but using dd as a backup tool will fail then | 23:39 |
| spirytusick | unless you dd up to the bad block to one file, then dd from first available sec to the second file | 23:39 |
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| spirytusick | and restore them separately | 23:39 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | one 128kb block is dead | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:45 |
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| ds3 | YOU KILLED IT!!!! | 23:46 |
| Tama^2 | was his name Kenny? | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | it wasn't me | 23:46 |
| Tama^2 | or Robert Poulsen? | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | it was a deadly cosmic ray | 23:47 |
| Tama^2 | sure sure, the act of God defence | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | oh, well, at least it's not in the boot area | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | 'defense' | 23:47 |
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| Tama^2 | yes, pedantic dude | 23:47 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 23:47 |
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| spirytusick | KotCzarny: to przez braci kaczynskich, parity error :) | 23:48 |
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| KotCzarny | fence is made from wire :P | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | 1. A structure serving as an enclosure, a barrier, or a boundary, usually made of posts or stake | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | s joined together by boards, wire, or rails. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | 2. The art or sport of fencing. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:48 |
| Tama^2 | actually | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | 4. Archaic. A means of defense; a protection. | 23:48 |
| spirytusick | hence the fence :) | 23:48 |
| Tama^2 | defence is brit. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:49 |
| Tama^2 | yes | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | defense is brit | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:49 |
| Tama^2 | too bad the Oxford dictionary disagrees with you | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | or you may be wight | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | right | 23:49 |
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| spirytusick | or left :) | 23:49 |
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| KotCzarny | oh well | 23:49 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 23:49 |
| spirytusick | wigh is an island :) | 23:49 |
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| spirytusick | wight :) | 23:49 |
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| KotCzarny | english grammar is a b* anyway | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:49 |
| ds3 | if it ain't describable with lex and yacc, it ain't worth dealing with :P | 23:51 |
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| spirytusick | ok codeheads, time to hit the showers and for a keep. see you tommorrow | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
| spirytusick | :) | 23:52 |
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| spirytusick | idu w ... ty juz wiesz gdzie :) | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | ic ic | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
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| * ccooke has just taken delivery of the new pdair hard case for the n810 | 23:55 | |
| ccooke | it's really nice | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:55 |
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| ds3 | hard case? like one that can turn the n810 into a lift back for a truck? | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.365covers.com/product_info.php?language=en¤cy=USD&products_id=434 | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | black | 23:56 |
| ccooke | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWNUW-2snoM | 23:57 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:58 |
| ccooke | it feels really sturdy | 23:58 |
| ccooke | very well padded | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | is it nice to touch? | 23:58 |
| ccooke | yes | 23:59 |
| ccooke | slightly textured | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | i bet dirt will start getting there | 23:59 |
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