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| lcuk | she is the best :D | 00:01 |
| lcuk | :D she found my stylus | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | She crafted you a stylus out of soap? | 00:01 |
| Navi | sexy | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | shes gonna gloat about it for a week now tho | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:02 |
| lcuk | cos a few days ago she said "if you dont put it away you'll lose it..." | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | but i love her now, and *cough* she was right all along. | 00:03 |
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| livinded | are any of the open source maps good for the n810? | 00:25 |
| Navi | open source maps? | 00:26 |
| johnx | openstreetmap looks nice, if it covers your area | 00:26 |
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| livinded | no way am I paying $129 for 36 months | 00:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The price is just for voice nav. | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can use the maps for free. | 00:28 |
| livinded | it keeps asking me to buy it | 00:28 |
| johnx | try maemo mapper | 00:29 |
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| lopz | buenas noches :D | 01:40 |
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| dospod | hey peeps | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | Hey guys, anyone know the nicest cleanest way for an x11(with xv) or sdl driven application to sleep and wait for input the most recently displayed image should remain on the screen, but i dont want to waste cpu usage rendering millions of identical frames.? | 02:18 |
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| elb | you don't have to redraw at all | 02:19 |
| elb | unless your window is occluded | 02:19 |
| lcuk | yer, but what do i do instead? there isn't a twiddle my thumbs cpu opcode. | 02:20 |
| derf | Just use SDL_WaitEvent(). | 02:20 |
| elb | right, you don't have to -- the operating system takes care of that for you | 02:20 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh :D excellent | 02:20 |
| derf | There actually is a twiidle your thumbs cpu opcode. | 02:20 |
| elb | just select() on your inputs | 02:20 |
| elb | (which is almost assuredly what SDL_WaitEvent() does) | 02:21 |
| derf | Most CPUs spend most of their time twiddling their thumbs. | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | i bet i can't use that with an x11 window can i | 02:21 |
| derf | It's very important that they do it well. | 02:21 |
| derf | X11 has its own function. | 02:21 |
| lcuk | excactly, thats why i was asking, but theres no built in magic. its different per library | 02:21 |
| derf | XNextEvent(). | 02:22 |
| derf | Well, what's different is the conditions under which you want to _stop_ twiddling your thumbs. | 02:22 |
| elb | derf: heh actually, doing it well is a very recent phenomenon | 02:22 |
| derf | elb: I know. | 02:22 |
| derf | That doesn't make it less important! | 02:22 |
| elb | so true | 02:22 |
| lcuk | i already use a loop: while(XEventsQueued(dpy, QueuedAfterReading) > 0) and inside i run the xNextEvent, but when that finishes i would keep cycling round | 02:22 |
| lcuk | (thats in my inner until done loop | 02:23 |
| elb | you want to wrap that in something that waits for events | 02:23 |
| derf | XNextEvent() waits for events if there aren't any. | 02:23 |
| lcuk | ahhhh thats it derf | 02:23 |
| lcuk | that also explains the longer startup time (first frame is coming out at almost a second | 02:24 |
| elb | I'm betting the SDL wait function handles X events as well as SDL events | 02:24 |
| elb | (for X11 SDL) | 02:24 |
| lcuk | other frames are ~25fps | 02:24 |
| elb | but the documentation should tell you that | 02:24 |
| derf | The longer start time is probably actually caused by the time it takes to page in the binary. | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | i assumed it was a "Shown()" type event and x and xv were just doing a bit with it | 02:28 |
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| dmz | :( rtcomm won't work on 770 running hacked os :( | 04:13 |
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| XATRIX | dmz> what does it mean rtcomm ? | 04:21 |
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| dmz | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 04:22 |
| johnx | dmz, what happens if you try to install/use it? | 04:23 |
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| dmz | it reports lots of dependencies not being there | 04:28 |
| dmz | i don't think i'm on os2008 | 04:28 |
| dmz | gotta see if there is a version for the 770, i'm going to get an 810 in about 2 months but until then i've got the 770 | 04:28 |
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| johnx | there's an OS2008HE for the 770, but it's supposedly kinda slow | 04:30 |
| * johnx has an N800 | 04:30 | |
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| dookdook | yeah, ok. so what are the ip and fp used for and why are they being altered? | 06:27 |
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| livinded | I don't think fp is being altered, I it's being stored on the stack | 06:30 |
| livinded | stmfd stores multiple registers onto the stack | 06:30 |
| dookdook | sub fp, ip, #4 | 06:31 |
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| dookdook | yeah, thats what the stmfd is fore... | 06:31 |
| dookdook | *for | 06:31 |
| dookdook | but after it saves the fp, ip (which has been loaded with the sp), lr and pc, it alteres fp and sp... | 06:31 |
| dookdook | *alters | 06:31 |
| livinded | what is the instruction after sub sp, sp, #8? | 06:31 |
| dookdook | the actual code...and let me be more specifc...so i'm calling foo1 with one integer argument and it just prints out that argument | 06:33 |
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| dookdook | here, let me paste it in a pastebin actually, that'll be easier | 06:33 |
| livinded | so it's storing fp, ip, and lr onto the stack | 06:34 |
| livinded | then it's subtracting 4 from ip and storing the value in fp | 06:34 |
| dookdook | http://rafb.net/p/4lROMS15.html | 06:35 |
| dookdook | the c code... | 06:35 |
| livinded | then moving the stack back 8 bytes | 06:35 |
| livinded | so it's moving the stack to where ip is stored | 06:35 |
| dookdook | http://rafb.net/p/sfKKiO93.html | 06:36 |
| dookdook | what it compiles too | 06:36 |
| dookdook | *to | 06:36 |
| dookdook | but doesn't the stack grow downwards? | 06:36 |
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| livinded | I'm not positive about arm, but I think so | 06:38 |
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| Tama^2 | OS2007 is fugly compared to OS2008 but it works so much better... | 06:49 |
| Tama^2 | O.o | 06:49 |
| Tama^2 | unbelivable | 06:49 |
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| dookdook | well, how-dee: http://www.ee.ic.ac.uk/pcheung/teaching/ee2_computing/arm/Progtech.pdf | 07:05 |
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| dookdook | yeah, i think ip and pc are vestiges of a by-gone era. program counter is really the instruction pointer and instruction pointer is just used as scratch? | 07:07 |
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| KotCzarny | hi | 07:27 |
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| pupnik | hoppe is even more entertaining than rothbard | 10:44 |
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| pepie34 | is there a PIM suite runing on maemo that can be sync with outlook or any pim suite (like evolution for windows) runing on windows ? | 11:28 |
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| aquatix | http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html | 11:31 |
| aquatix | pepie34: and the other programs in that suite | 11:31 |
| aquatix | they use evolution dataserver | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | btw. newbie question, how to create packages from sources for maemo? | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | i have installed sdk and built app | 11:33 |
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| KotCzarny | but how to package it? | 11:33 |
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| pepie34 | aquatix sync prog seems to be in really early stage | 11:34 |
| aquatix | yeah :/ | 11:35 |
| aquatix | maybe use something else instead, but i'm not sure what :) | 11:35 |
| aquatix | syncml or something | 11:35 |
| aquatix | wasn't there an opensync package for maemo? | 11:35 |
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| pepie34 | yes i think so | 11:39 |
| pepie34 | but dunno if evolution for windows can handle this | 11:39 |
| aquatix | no idea | 11:40 |
| aquatix | never even tried running evolution on windows :) | 11:40 |
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| jku | KotCzarny, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 12:21 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:27 |
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| XATRIX | hi | 13:27 |
| XATRIX | is there any russification for maemo ? | 13:27 |
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| ssvb | XATRIX: Russian is supported on internet tablets out of the box | 13:29 |
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| BTobotras | XATRIX: stop asking, buy it already :-) | 13:31 |
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| herzi | is there an irc channel dedicated to maemo-mapper? | 13:31 |
| XATRIX | BTobotras> :) | 13:31 |
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| XATRIX | BTobotras> i bought it :))) it will be delivered to me today :) | 13:32 |
| aquatix | ooh, congrats :) | 13:32 |
| BTobotras | XATRIX: oh, congrats! Which one? | 13:32 |
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| XATRIX | 770 ! i can't deal with that web-shop | 13:33 |
| XATRIX | anyway it would be my FIRST tablet :) | 13:33 |
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| XATRIX | so...i'll upgrade to 800 sometime later | 13:33 |
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| aquatix | any reason you didn't buy an 800 now? | 13:34 |
| XATRIX | in is much more expensive than 770....here in ukraine | 13:35 |
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| XATRIX | ~550$ | 13:35 |
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| michele_ | hello | 13:35 |
| aquatix | ah yeah | 13:35 |
| XATRIX | i bought 770 for 200 | 13:35 |
| aquatix | hey michele_ | 13:35 |
| XATRIX | $ | 13:35 |
| XATRIX | hi | 13:35 |
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| michele_ | I got the N810 gps to fix at 10000m and 730km/h :) | 13:36 |
| XATRIX | :) | 13:36 |
| MoRpHeUz | michele_: great! =) | 13:36 |
| michele_ | too bad I didn't have anything to get a screenshoot | 13:36 |
| glass | hehe | 13:37 |
| glass | phone gps's get a fix pretty good at airplanes too | 13:37 |
| aquatix | michele_: get that load applet thing | 13:37 |
| michele_ | aquatix: I am not on the plane anymore | 13:37 |
| aquatix | michele_: for the trip back or something ;) | 13:37 |
| michele_ | I am already back :( | 13:37 |
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| XATRIX | i saw, there's a bootloader for booting from MMC cards? isn't there ? so i can boot any other linux witch supports ARM arch ? | 13:38 |
| aquatix | i'll take a screenshot in May when i'm flying | 13:38 |
| XATRIX | for example gentoo ? | 13:38 |
| michele_ | XATRIX: start here http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 13:38 |
| XATRIX | ok | 13:39 |
| johnx | XATRIX, you're stuck with the Nokia kernel | 13:40 |
| johnx | well, you can recompile Nokia's kernel from source if you want | 13:40 |
| XATRIX | arrrgh.....why are you directing me to this forum ? it has background 810 :))))) | 13:40 |
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| XATRIX | oh...it supports cpu freq scaling :) | 13:41 |
| BTobotras | XATRIX: but what for? Just use whatever cames from Nokia. There are many more insteresting things to do with tablet than just booting "your personal" kernel... | 13:41 |
| johnx | not on the 770... | 13:41 |
| lopz | hi | 13:41 |
| michele_ | BTobotras: it's gentoo! it's more optimizied! | 13:42 |
| * michele_ runs | 13:42 | |
| aquatix | :) | 13:42 |
| XATRIX | johnx> there's no cpufreq on 770 at all ? | 13:42 |
| XATRIX | or just not preinstalled | 13:42 |
| johnx | I don't believe so | 13:42 |
| johnx | cpufreq is a feature of the kernel | 13:42 |
| johnx | if the kernel doesn't support it, then installing different programs won't change that | 13:43 |
| johnx | Debian on the tablets still uses Nokia's kernel | 13:43 |
| XATRIX | yes...i know....i have centrino lappy | 13:43 |
| XATRIX | i mean is this future supported by hardware of device ? | 13:43 |
| johnx | maybe, but I doubt anyone will write a driver for the 770 | 13:44 |
| XATRIX | so...i guess i would be the first one who will try to run gentoo linux on 770 ? | 13:45 |
| johnx | yes | 13:45 |
| johnx | as far as I know | 13:45 |
| herzi | XATRIX: why would you want to do that? | 13:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 770 is already about as overclocked as it's gonna get. | 13:45 |
| johnx | you can follow a lot of the info about putting Debian on the tablet | 13:45 |
| BTobotras | herzi: 'cause he's got too much spare time at his hands? | 13:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP1710 can't do voltage scaling, so underclocking really wont save you any battery. | 13:46 |
| XATRIX | herzi> i like to make an experiments:) | 13:46 |
| johnx | XATRIX, good for you :D | 13:46 |
| herzi | XATRIX: and what would be the outcome of the experiment? (you want to have a certain outreach, no?) | 13:46 |
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| XATRIX | eemm....do you mean outcom = result ? | 13:47 |
| solmumaha | source based distro on 770... you will need a lot of spare time | 13:47 |
| XATRIX | i'm not so good in english :) sorry | 13:47 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: yeah | 13:47 |
| herzi | XATRIX: yes | 13:47 |
| herzi | let me rephrase it: what do you want to "win" by using gentoo? you can hardly optimize the compiled software more than it already is | 13:48 |
| johnx | XATRIX, just as an example the kernel will probably take a day or two to compile if you have your source on NFS... | 13:48 |
| aquatix | you can always cross-compile | 13:48 |
| XATRIX | gentoo is a fastest linux distribution that i ever saw....and it could be optimized as far as you can | 13:48 |
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| ynezz | it's hoax | 13:49 |
| XATRIX | and | 13:49 |
| aquatix | myeah, but don't you think nokia optimised for the thing already? | 13:49 |
| johnx | the distribution Nokia provides is already optimized specifically for this hardware... | 13:49 |
| johnx | but I think you should try it if you want to | 13:49 |
| XATRIX | maybe i'm wrong...but debian on 770 would be "cuted" edition | 13:49 |
| * michele_ misses funroll-loops.org | 13:49 | |
| XATRIX | not full futured | 13:49 |
| johnx | The Debian thats mentioned on that wiki is *the real Debian* | 13:50 |
| johnx | all the packages that can be compiled for arm are available | 13:50 |
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| johnx | right out of the box | 13:50 |
| herzi | michele_: :-) | 13:50 |
| herzi | ricers! | 13:50 |
| XATRIX | and i just want to experiment with full rebuild of nokia as far as it possible :) customization...optimization | 13:51 |
| johnx | herzi, he wants to try. let him. :) maybe he can help me figure out how to get sound working right in a non-Nokia distro. :) | 13:51 |
| XATRIX | and just find of a new way of using it :) | 13:51 |
| aquatix | sounds interesting, XATRIX :) | 13:52 |
| herzi | johnx: I'm not stopping him | 13:52 |
| XATRIX | herzi> sorry for my qustion....are you a developer of maemo or nokia crew ? | 13:52 |
| aquatix | but i think cross-compiling will be key, as compiling on the n770 will take years ;) | 13:52 |
| XATRIX | :) | 13:52 |
| johnx | aquatix, you're being optimistic O_o | 13:53 |
| herzi | XATRIX: I maintain an application which also includes its maemo-port | 13:53 |
| herzi | an open-source app | 13:53 |
| aquatix | johnx: i always am ;) | 13:53 |
| XATRIX | ah....i know how to say it in russian....but my english knowledge is not enough :))) | 13:54 |
| XATRIX | I JUST NEED SOMETHING TO START FROM :)) | 13:54 |
| XATRIX | oh...sorry for caps | 13:54 |
| herzi | XATRIX: if you need some ideas for maemo-related hacking, take a look here http://tinyurl.com/ynnl3x | 13:55 |
| XATRIX | ok...i'll definetly take a look there | 13:55 |
| * BTobotras confirms his previous diagnosis: too much spare time :) | 13:55 | |
| michele_ | herzi: monkey bubble works on maemo?! | 13:56 |
| herzi | michele_: yes | 13:56 |
| michele_ | *bong* | 13:56 |
| johnx | XATRIX, grab a gentoo arm stage3 and look at "how I did it" on the debian on N800 wiki | 13:56 |
| herzi | michele_: fallen off the chair? | 13:56 |
| aquatix | BTobotras: ;) | 13:56 |
| johnx | a lot of the problems I ran into will apply | 13:56 |
| michele_ | herzi: right | 13:56 |
| aquatix | we can only be jealous ;) | 13:56 |
| herzi | someone from finland made a port (I guess he did it in his job for nokia) | 13:57 |
| XATRIX | johnx> ok.... | 13:57 |
| michele_ | herzi: are there packages available? | 13:57 |
| herzi | and then I merged the diff back into upstream | 13:57 |
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| herzi | no, I'm too lazy | 13:57 |
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| herzi | but it should be quite easy once you have librsvg from maemo extras | 13:57 |
| michele_ | herzi: should I get cvs or is 0.4 fine? | 13:57 |
| herzi | subversion | 13:57 |
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| herzi | 0.4 was the version that has been forked, there's no public release with the maemo-ui | 13:57 |
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| K-Fox | what is a command to delete drectory? | 13:58 |
| herzi | rmdir? | 13:58 |
| K-Fox | ok | 13:59 |
| herzi | but the folder has to be empty for rmdir | 13:59 |
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| herzi | rm -r removes a folder recursively | 13:59 |
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| K-Fox | svn checkout https://phoneme.dev.java.net/svn/phoneme/components/tools/trunk | 14:00 |
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| K-Fox | -sh : svn: not found | 14:01 |
| aquatix | hm, is there some port of gnumeric for maemo btw? | 14:01 |
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| johnx | aquatix, I believe so | 14:01 |
| aquatix | apt-get install subversion ;) | 14:01 |
| herzi | aquatix: I guess so, did you try to google it? | 14:01 |
| aquatix | johnx: /me googles | 14:01 |
| aquatix | herzi: normally i google first | 14:01 |
| aquatix | don't ask why i'm being lazy today :) | 14:01 |
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| K-Fox | aquatix : it's good k | 14:01 |
| aquatix | meh, only for OS2007 | 14:02 |
| johnx | aquatix, maemo chinook gnumeric | 14:02 |
| johnx | first result looks good... | 14:02 |
| BugBlue | it works on OS2008 | 14:03 |
| aquatix | http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/gnumeric/ you mean? | 14:03 |
| aquatix | hey BugBlue :) | 14:03 |
| johnx | yeah and I've seen it mentioned on itt forums I believe | 14:03 |
| johnx | I have no need for a spreadsheet on a handheld though, so I haven't tested it... | 14:04 |
| BugBlue | heej aquatix | 14:04 |
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| BTobotras | XATRIX: you'd better do something useful for others! ;-) | 14:14 |
| herzi | BTobotras: I proposed some useful tasks he he promised to look into them | 14:15 |
| XATRIX | any ideas on what should i concentrate my efforts ? | 14:15 |
| herzi | http://bugs.gnome.org/509498 << this one should be quite straight forward; you just need to look into monkey-bubble's source and the maemo reference to be able to accomplish this one | 14:16 |
| bedboi | is it difficult to find micro to mini sd adapters? | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | bedboi: no | 14:18 |
| aquatix | http://www.google.nl/search?q=microsd+minisd+adapter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 14:18 |
| bedboi | i got a micro sd for my neo1973 but i want to use it also in my n810 | 14:18 |
| aquatix | http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/10533.htm for example | 14:18 |
| aquatix | and i guess lots of other stores have them too | 14:19 |
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| aquatix | http://www.semsons.com/mitomiadbpa.html is cheaper | 14:19 |
| BTobotras | XATRIX: useful calendar | 14:19 |
| herzi | BTobotras: that's a really hard one... | 14:20 |
| aquatix | BTobotras: or make Dates more useful :) | 14:20 |
| aquatix | but synchronising with other devices/servers would be nice | 14:20 |
| XATRIX | ....heh...phrase on bash.org.ru, "....two days in coding, and you type faster than talk" :)) | 14:20 |
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| XATRIX | BTobotras> isn't it true that nokia in need of a calendar ? | 14:21 |
| bedboi | aquarius-: thanks | 14:21 |
| aquatix | well, there is http://www.pimlico-project.org/ | 14:21 |
| bedboi | s/aquarius-/aquatix | 14:21 |
| aquatix | bedboi: :) | 14:22 |
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| bedboi | aquatix: dates is a good application btw it still misses some important features. | 14:24 |
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| aquatix | myeah | 14:24 |
| aquatix | haven't used it much yet | 14:25 |
| aquatix | basically only imported fosdem's ical in it ;) | 14:25 |
| BTobotras | XATRIX: definitely | 14:28 |
| BTobotras | aquarius-: or this way, right :) | 14:28 |
| BugBlue | bedboi: if you want the real cheap (but working!) version: dealextreme.com | 14:28 |
| BugBlue | (all chinese crap you never wanted to have) | 14:29 |
| aquatix | ah yeah, dealextreme :) | 14:29 |
| aquatix | bedboi: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | dealextreme is the best. | 14:32 |
| aquatix | it's fscking small :) | 14:32 |
| aquatix | and -cheap | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I ordered about 10lbs of adaptors from them a few months ago. | 14:32 |
| bedboi | the only problem is that i'm EU based atm | 14:32 |
| bedboi | well it is not a problem actually | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only cost me about $30 | 14:32 |
| bedboi | dollar is crappy now | 14:32 |
| aquatix | free shipping | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would've been $1000 at Radio Shack or similar. | 14:32 |
| BugBlue | :D | 14:32 |
| aquatix | bedboi: so, that would be... 0.80 EUR i guess :) | 14:33 |
| bedboi | aquatix: i guess it is free if you get it in the states | 14:33 |
| * aquatix orders :D | 14:33 | |
| johnx | Radio shack is an ungodly rip-off | 14:33 |
| * BugBlue is EU based.. and as long as people want to have dollars I'm glad to pay them in.. but I won't take them | 14:33 | |
| aquatix | bedboi: no, free shipping to EU | 14:33 |
| bedboi | NAH! | 14:33 |
| aquatix | BugBlue: right? | 14:33 |
| bedboi | i can't believe it | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | All electronics stores are ripoffs. | 14:33 |
| aquatix | better order two :) | 14:34 |
| johnx | RadiosHack is more of a rip-off than fry's in general | 14:34 |
| bedboi | i'll order tons of gadgets | 14:34 |
| BugBlue | aquatix: jups | 14:34 |
| aquatix | bedboi: see? | 14:34 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:34 |
| bedboi | aquatix: are you sure it's free for EU? | 14:35 |
| aquatix | bedboi: BugBlue has been doing it for a while | 14:35 |
| bedboi | BugBlue: you are the man! | 14:35 |
| * aquatix orders two | 14:35 | |
| bedboi | i miss a lot doing shopping online | 14:35 |
| bedboi | which i really abused during my stay in US | 14:35 |
| aquatix | erm | 14:36 |
| aquatix | only paypal? | 14:36 |
| BugBlue | only if you want registered airmail instead of some cheaper mail option you pay 1.30 | 14:36 |
| * BugBlue does most of the shopping online | 14:36 | |
| BugBlue | seems to work very well.. ecspecially when I order in poland or so or latvia | 14:37 |
| BugBlue | same day shipped = next morning at the doorstep | 14:37 |
| BugBlue | as long as it is EU there is no problem... outside it takes more time | 14:37 |
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| BugBlue | customs tend to screw up things... | 14:37 |
| bedboi | man i'll place a huge order | 14:38 |
| BugBlue | but I guess 1 tf card with customs value of about 1.50HK$ (about 1 eur) is no problem | 14:38 |
| BugBlue | bedboi: first try one | 14:38 |
| BugBlue | or 2... | 14:38 |
| BugBlue | but don't order 20 the first time | 14:38 |
| bedboi | i'll place a 50$ or such order | 14:39 |
| * aquatix orders 2 | 14:39 | |
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| aquatix | 1 euro = $1,47452 lies! | 14:41 |
| aquatix | it's $1.52 | 14:41 |
| aquatix | oh well | 14:41 |
| BugBlue | nice | 14:42 |
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| aquatix | stupid paypal :) | 14:42 |
| aquatix | there | 14:43 |
| aquatix | 2.09 EUR for 2 adapters | 14:43 |
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| kaatis_ | everything is so much cheaper in teh us :( | 14:46 |
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| kaatis | most us based stores seem not wanting to send stuff to europe | 14:48 |
| johnx | yeah, they don't want money coming *in* through the borders, only going out...oh, wait | 14:48 |
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| herzi | michele_: BTW, I plan to set up a buildbot locally to build and upload a monkey-bubble.deb regularly from svn (but until then, I'm lazy) | 15:00 |
| aquatix | what's the difference between monkey-bubble and frozenbubble? | 15:02 |
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| aquatix | apart from the animals used ;) | 15:03 |
| johnx | frozen bubble is written in perl IIRC | 15:03 |
| johnx | or at least v1 was | 15:04 |
| glass | theres a c or c++ version | 15:04 |
| glass | that was ported to symbian among others at least | 15:04 |
| johnx | I have no idea what they're up to now... | 15:04 |
| johnx | I haven't been keeping track | 15:05 |
| XATRIX | is there a port for xchat ? | 15:05 |
| herzi | aquatix: monkey-bubble uses GTK+, librsvg and GStreamer | 15:06 |
| herzi | while frozen bubble uses SDL | 15:07 |
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| aquatix | herzi: ah :) | 15:10 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: i saw something like that, yes; otherwise, there's pidgin | 15:10 |
| aquatix | or ssh ;) | 15:10 |
| * aquatix uses ssh in xterminal to connect to his server running irssi in a screen session | 15:10 | |
| herzi | aquatix: so it's better aligned with the GNOME software stack | 15:10 |
| michele_ | XATRIX: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 15:10 |
| aquatix | herzi: yeah, can imagine | 15:10 |
| michele_ | aquatix: I use dtach instead of screen these days | 15:11 |
| XATRIX | aquatix> no..pidgin is a instant messaging service as for me | 15:11 |
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| michele_ | much simpler and it does all I need, after all | 15:11 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: it has an irc plugin | 15:11 |
| aquatix | not optimal, but it works | 15:11 |
| aquatix | michele_: ah | 15:11 |
| aquatix | well, i use screen quite a bit | 15:12 |
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| aquatix | it's not only running irssi | 15:12 |
| XATRIX | michele_> arrrgh.... .deb .deb .deb :) | 15:12 |
| aquatix | XATRIX: duh ;) | 15:12 |
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| michele_ | XATRIX: ITs use debs, you know | 15:12 |
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| hrw | I use 'internet chat' application for irc on n810 | 15:14 |
| XATRIX | yeah...that's true | 15:14 |
| hrw | rtcomm-beta required | 15:14 |
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| michele_ | hrw: me too. but people seems to despise it for "missing features" that I haven't found yet | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin and rtcomm make for terrible IRC clients. | 15:15 |
| herzi | does anyone have a clue where I'd have to report bugs in the "maps" application of the n810? | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nowhere, herzi. | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They don't want them. | 15:15 |
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| * johnx will start using IRC on the N800 once he can download a hardware keyboard... | 15:16 | |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it depends what for you need it | 15:16 |
| shackan | good luck with that | 15:16 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: for normal irc use I prefer irssi on remote screen | 15:16 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: to enter and chat for a moment 'internet chat' from os2008 is enough | 15:17 |
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| dookdook | if anybody sees ad-n770, could someone be so kind as to tell him i'll be on later? | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything more than a moment is incredibly painful. | 15:17 |
| michele_ | I really don't see why | 15:18 |
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| michele_ | but I have never been an hardcore IRC user | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It just doesn't support IRC's features very well at all. | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and doesn't scale well. | 15:18 |
| michele_ | which features? | 15:19 |
| aquatix | johnx: get an iGo bluetooth keyboard | 15:19 |
| aquatix | they're nice | 15:19 |
| johnx | I might at that | 15:19 |
| aquatix | and they are available yet | 15:20 |
| aquatix | iGo stopped making them | 15:20 |
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| johnx | Will have to see how bad shipping will be | 15:20 |
| aquatix | stupid... | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | All that features that make IRC usable for me. | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partly scripting | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partly the fact that it just isn't designed for big, multi-user chats. | 15:20 |
| aquatix | hrw: `internet chat' app is the built-in one? | 15:23 |
| hrw | yes | 15:24 |
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| Navi_ | Pidgin sucks for IRC :P | 15:25 |
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| michele_ | another thing I don't get is why people use pidgin on the IT :) | 15:25 |
| felipec | michele_: protocol support? | 15:26 |
| michele_ | felipec: with the new rtcomm beta you have exactly the same protocols supported | 15:26 |
| aquatix | yeah | 15:26 |
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| michele_ | where "new" means "two months ago" | 15:27 |
| jku | so, is rtcomm still beta? | 15:27 |
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| felipec | michele_: not quite, there are still some issues | 15:27 |
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| Navi_ | Jabber transports are more win than Pidgin | 15:27 |
| jku | even if it's included in the firmware | 15:27 |
| michele_ | Navi_: rtcomm uses libpurple, non transports | 15:27 |
| felipec | don't call it rtcomm, it's telepathy-haze the one that allows that | 15:28 |
| michele_ | whatever | 15:28 |
| Navi_ | s/Pidgin/libpurple/ | 15:28 |
| infobot | Navi_ meant: Jabber transports are more win than libpurple | 15:28 |
| felipec | which is part of rtcomm, yess, but you only need telepathy-haze | 15:28 |
| johnx | shipping on the igo bt keyboard is still $25 - $45...I think I'll pass for now | 15:29 |
| Navi_ | You can get a USB keyboard for like, eight bucks at your local hardware store :D | 15:29 |
| johnx | exactly | 15:29 |
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| johnx | that's this weekend...I have a great hardware store(s) in mind, too | 15:30 |
| johnx | and the usb female-female converter I need... | 15:30 |
| Navi_ | And it comes with a great feature: It's a full sized keyboard. Too bad it doesn't fold up well | 15:30 |
| aquatix | johnx: yeah, i had to pay a lot of shipping too, and then import fees :( | 15:30 |
| aquatix | johnx: but it's worth its money | 15:30 |
| aquatix | full-sized laptop keyboard | 15:30 |
| Navi_ | When I try to fold up keyboards, they always break. | 15:31 |
| johnx | I'll see if I can find a decently smallish usb keyboard this weekend | 15:31 |
| aquatix | [well, except that it merged the numbers row into the topmost row] | 15:31 |
| aquatix | bluetooth has its advantages ;) | 15:31 |
| aquatix | you guys have a usb host cable? | 15:31 |
| johnx | not yet | 15:31 |
| johnx | this weekend as well :) | 15:31 |
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| aquatix | johnx: where did you get that one? | 15:32 |
| * aquatix looks at dealextreme | 15:32 | |
| aquatix | guess they'll have one too | 15:32 |
| johnx | I'll get a female-female converter locally if I can | 15:32 |
| johnx | this weekend | 15:32 |
| Navi_ | I bought my USB Host from Mara | 15:32 |
| Navi_ | :3 | 15:33 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:58 |
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| TuxProbe | hello allz.. i took the blue pill! but.. got a bit weiry :) My package manager now shows like 150 chars in the description under libs | 16:00 |
| TuxProbe | so, the library is libfaad2 - but i cannot download it for some reason, im using deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free - anyone else with that problem? or know how to find the .deb? | 16:01 |
| johnx | are you on OS2007 or OS2008? | 16:01 |
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| TuxProbe | os2007 | 16:03 |
| aquatix | hm, updating rtcomm takes a while | 16:03 |
| johnx | you could search gronmayer.com/it to see what repositories have that lib in it | 16:04 |
| TuxProbe | ill try it from terminal once i get an ssh up on it | 16:04 |
| johnx | it's being really slow tonight though :/ | 16:04 |
| TuxProbe | then see all the data on why it fails | 16:04 |
| aquatix | indeed | 16:04 |
| johnx | that site seems slower every time I access it | 16:05 |
| TuxProbe | one word; donate :-D | 16:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who the heck runs it, anyway? | 16:16 |
| johnx | Gron Mayer? | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:17 |
| zedstar | i just installed the emulator and everything seems to work fine...is there a meta package to install the core apps? actually i just wanted to install browser and terminal for now | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never placed that name with anybody outside of that website, though. | 16:18 |
| johnx | zedstar, the UI to browser is closed source. If you really need it you might be able to repack it from the tablet itself | 16:18 |
| johnx | or extract it from the image you download from Nokia to flash an N8x0 device | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | whois says it belongs to a German graphic design company, Gronmayer-Grafik | 16:19 |
| johnx | You should be able to find an open source terminal you can use | 16:19 |
| zedstar | ah thanks....so basically the emulator is pretty empty in terms of maemo apps to begin with | 16:20 |
| johnx | yes | 16:20 |
| johnx | lots of Nokia's Maemo apps are actually closed source | 16:20 |
| TuxProbe | im wondering, is it possible to install a graphical application from xterm? | 16:21 |
| zedstar | ah i never even considered that | 16:21 |
| johnx | TuxProbe, of course. | 16:21 |
| zedstar | well at least scratchbox is handy and i can just run on device | 16:22 |
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| TuxProbe | maemopad does not work.. i need a text editor for writing configuration files in gainroot mode | 16:22 |
| herzi | TuxProbe: why not? you can use dpkg/apt as you can on any other debian box | 16:22 |
| johnx | pygtkeditor and leafpad spring to mind. Even "Notes" should work | 16:22 |
| TuxProbe | erh i didnt explain myself right :) i meant *start app from term | 16:22 |
| johnx | TuxProbe, it's definitely possible possible | 16:24 |
| johnx | you'll have to export DISPLAY=:0 then try running something like osso_notes or osso_notes.launch | 16:25 |
| TuxProbe | ahh leafpad works :) | 16:25 |
| pupnik_ | bedboi: how do you like the neo1973? | 16:26 |
| bedboi | pupnik_: actually i'm not using it too much | 16:28 |
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| pupnik_ | bedboi: i had hoped it would take off | 16:33 |
| bedboi | the major problem is the power management | 16:34 |
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| bedboi | battery life is too short for daily usage | 16:34 |
| johnx | ah, how long does it last? | 16:34 |
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| hrw | one useless check less | 16:35 |
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| hrw | 2007.50 and 2007.51 firmwares are same | 16:36 |
| johnx | at least the power on/off fix works... | 16:36 |
| hrw | johnx: thats bootloader part ;) | 16:36 |
| johnx | yeah...but at least they didn't fail to fix the problem for everyone :) | 16:37 |
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| melmoth | hmmm. Anybody feels like an artist and would like to make a nice and shiny application icon ? | 16:45 |
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| Lynoure | melmoth: I'm no graphic artist, but what application? | 16:49 |
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| melmoth | a voice navigation application for bike | 16:51 |
| melmoth | http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:51 |
| johnx | that's kind of ingenious :D | 16:52 |
| johnx | Too bad I'm a little far away from Paris to visit... | 16:53 |
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| melmoth | i have heard there are similar project in other town in europe. | 16:53 |
| melmoth | like one in spain somewhere. | 16:54 |
| aquatix | saw it in brussels too | 16:54 |
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| michele_ | melmoth: Barcelona has a similar system | 16:54 |
| michele_ | bicing.com | 16:55 |
| michele_ | melmoth: does espeak work better than flite? | 16:56 |
| melmoth | the main interest with espeak is it can cope with non english language easily | 16:57 |
| melmoth | but you still ends up with a sixty tv sitcom robot voice ... | 16:57 |
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| melmoth | feels like you are terminator when biking :) | 16:58 |
| michele_ | ahah | 16:58 |
| johnx | "john conner, turn right if you want to get the bike back in time!" | 16:58 |
| johnx | that's a feature not a bug :D | 16:59 |
| melmoth | the time constraint gives a game like feeling to the ride. | 16:59 |
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| herzi | GeneralAntilles: feel free to subscribe to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2993 | 17:21 |
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| giskard | http://paste.debian.net/50177 | 17:23 |
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| giskard | guys what is wrong with the internal sd card of my n810 | 17:23 |
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| johnx | it's partitioned incorrectly | 17:24 |
| giskard | eheh i never touched it | 17:24 |
| herzi | giskard: the partition is larger than the device | 17:24 |
| johnx | Nokia seems to have shipped a whole bunch with incorrect partitioning | 17:24 |
| giskard | it worked in the past | 17:24 |
| johnx | just like playing russian roulette | 17:24 |
| giskard | how i can re-partition it? | 17:24 |
| giskard | i have to run fdisk manually or? | 17:25 |
| herzi | eg. | 17:25 |
| herzi | you could also use gparted on a notebook with sd card slot | 17:25 |
| giskard | is the internal one.. i don't think it i can remove it | 17:26 |
| giskard | in an easy way | 17:26 |
| herzi | oh, _that_ internal one | 17:26 |
| herzi | the builtin one | 17:26 |
| giskard | i don't think it can be removed* | 17:26 |
| giskard | yes | 17:26 |
| johnx | giskard, correct | 17:26 |
| johnx | it's soldered on | 17:26 |
| b0unc3 | maybe through the usb-cable | 17:26 |
| herzi | maybe reflashing helps (not sure) | 17:26 |
| giskard | so i have to run cfdisk/fdisk on it | 17:26 |
| johnx | herzi, nope | 17:26 |
| giskard | let me try | 17:26 |
| johnx | giskard, just fdisk it from a laptop while it's connected over usb | 17:27 |
| johnx | s/laptop/other linux box/g | 17:27 |
| infobot | johnx meant: giskard, just fdisk it from a other linux box while it's connected over usb | 17:27 |
| johnx | actually, I think the tablets have sfdisk (or it's available) | 17:27 |
| giskard | ok | 17:28 |
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| herzi | I think in the worst case you can flash the device to boot from an inserted sd card (I think that worked in the past) and then partition the beast properly | 17:30 |
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| giskard | ahah funny i've removed the partition, tryed to create it but there is not dos compatibility flag, i create it but i have to write it..type w | 17:30 |
| giskard | but after that there is no compatibility flag set up | 17:30 |
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| giskard | ops my fault | 17:31 |
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| giskard | c is not create..but toggle..n is new partition | 17:31 |
| giskard | bah | 17:31 |
| johnx | ah, I was very confused for a moment :) | 17:31 |
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| michele_ | so there's speculation about a 3G Eee PC launching on 4 march | 17:33 |
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| pupnik_ | i find eee-talk offpissing | 17:33 |
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| michele_ | I think it's quite overhyped, but people are figuring out | 17:34 |
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| Jaffa | michele_: interesting. I've seen a massive increase in the number of "mobile broadband" USB products being advertised in the UK in the last couple of weeks. | 17:34 |
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| michele_ | Jaffa: http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1275 | 17:34 |
| johnx | an eeePC is just the wrong size for me... | 17:35 |
| johnx | it's not a real laptop and it doesn't fit in a pocket... | 17:35 |
| pupnik | not that it's a bad product. just that people who promote mobile x86 are not in my club | 17:35 |
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| michele_ | I haven't yet seen a real one... | 17:35 |
| * Jaffa finds his quite handy around the house for proper browsing/SSH compared with my N810 which is more mobile. | 17:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I <3 pocket computers. | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially around the house. | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just whip out the N800. | 17:36 |
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| Jaffa | microb's usually a bit too slow to meet my browsing habits (lots of open tabs loading in the background and then pleasant reading of them). | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | and music control | 17:37 |
| Navi_ | Mobile x86 are great | 17:37 |
| Navi_ | s/are/is/ | 17:37 |
| infobot | Navi_ meant: Mobile x86 is great | 17:37 |
| Navi_ | You get less performance with more power use over an ARM! | 17:37 |
| Navi_ | s/use/usage/ | 17:37 |
| infobot | Navi_ meant: You get less performance with more power usage over an ARM! | 17:38 |
| michele_ | me I'd just want a Samsung Q1 and ubuntu mobile :) | 17:38 |
| johnx | but you can run one or two crappy closed source x86 programs! | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | how about a LEG? | 17:38 |
| michele_ | well, the Q1 is quite ugly hardware wise.. | 17:38 |
| Navi_ | johnx, of course! | 17:38 |
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| michele_ | ARM is awesome. | 17:40 |
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| johnx | In the long term though I kind of think that Intel will throw enough R&D $$$ at x86 to make it viable in the embedded/handheld/cellphone market | 17:40 |
| Navi_ | They would of had a better chance sticking with xscale for the mobile market. | 17:41 |
| pupnik | god damn moneybags intel | 17:41 |
| johnx | Navi_, oh they'll get x86 into the embedded market one way or another...they're intel | 17:42 |
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| johnx | I give it 5 years or so | 17:42 |
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| Navi_ | They _were_ in the embedded market, and they butted out. | 17:42 |
| johnx | and now they're headed back, dragging x86 baggage behind them | 17:43 |
| johnx | I think they just didn't want to have to deal with two architectures | 17:43 |
| Navi_ | They still deal with two. | 17:43 |
| johnx | hmm? | 17:43 |
| Navi_ | ia64 processors | 17:43 |
| johnx | heh | 17:44 |
| Navi_ | Itaniums and crap | 17:44 |
| johnx | ah, right...Are those still around? | 17:44 |
| johnx | who buys those? | 17:44 |
| Navi_ | Yes, they're still selling Itaniums. | 17:44 |
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| Navi_ | Businesses buy them. Why? Hell if I know. | 17:45 |
| johnx | yeah, well dropping ARM is one less architecture to worry about | 17:45 |
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| Navi_ | They're getting into the mobile market the same way they're trying to get into the dedicated graphics market | 17:46 |
| herzi | can we please keep arm until sparc is dead for 10 years? | 17:46 |
| Navi_ | Really single-minded | 17:46 |
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| michele_ | johnx: 5 years? that's way too much. I'd say 2, at most | 17:46 |
| johnx | michele_, until we see x86 in phones? | 17:46 |
| michele_ | yes | 17:47 |
| johnx | the cell phone market moves slowly...but that might change | 17:47 |
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| johnx | 2 would be pretty optimistic I think | 17:47 |
| Navi_ | Cell phone market moves slowly as far as hardware goes, at least. | 17:47 |
| johnx | and software | 17:48 |
| Navi_ | and that | 17:48 |
| johnx | and features | 17:48 |
| Navi_ | And service | 17:48 |
| johnx | the style changes quickly enough | 17:48 |
| johnx | ...kinda | 17:48 |
| Navi_ | But as far as fashion goes... | 17:48 |
| Navi_ | Anyways, class | 17:49 |
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| johnx | exactly, now if Intel can just convince people that a phone with roaring fans that that belches heat is like the coolest thing ever... | 17:49 |
| melmoth | well, the more fan you add, the coolest the cpu will be..indeed :) | 17:50 |
| zedstar | anyone have a packaged lighttpd ? i couldnt locate a .deb | 17:50 |
| johnx | there's nginx | 17:50 |
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| michele_ | johnx: I think they are not yet there just because they didn't want to | 17:51 |
| michele_ | now they probably already have prototypes | 17:52 |
| johnx | getting an x86 chip into the power footprint of an ARM is no mean feat | 17:52 |
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| johnx | I think they'd be there yesterday if they could | 17:52 |
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| pupnik | only an evil, sick, spawn of demon child could have designed the 8088 | 17:59 |
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| aquatix | pupnik: :) | 18:06 |
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| godzirra | Howdy folks. I have an N800 with OS2008 installed and I'm trying to install e2fsprogs, but apt-get doesn't find it. Was this changed recently? I did enable the extras repository and ran apt-get update. | 18:18 |
| KotCzarny | probably another repo or redpill mode | 18:19 |
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| johnx | it looks like it's in the non-extras maemo repository or debfarm | 18:20 |
| johnx | godzirra, gronmayer.com/it has a nice repository search | 18:20 |
| godzirra | Thanks. | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | redpill doesn't do anything for apt-get, KotCzarny. | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free | 18:22 |
| johnx | though, be careful pulling things from that repository | 18:22 |
| godzirra | I already have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 18:22 |
| godzirra | Doesn't that include free and non-free? | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: it's another repo | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | just browse to: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | and see for yourself | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:23 |
| godzirra | Hrm. when I search repositories at gronmayer.com/it it just gives me the same list of repositories everytime I search for something. | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | use google for it | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish gronmayer weren't all dynamic. | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice to link stuff. . . . | 18:25 |
| johnx | sooo, you typed in e2fs in the search, and it didn't give you a list of repos that had e2fsprogs? | 18:25 |
| godzirra | KotCzarny: I have. I get 3trillion links that all say "apt-get install e2fsprogs" | 18:25 |
| johnx | anyways, good luck, off to bed | 18:26 |
| johnx | 'night all | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | godzirra: add repo i have pasted | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | it has e2fsprogs | 18:26 |
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| godzirra | johnx: Oh. Apparently it did, however it listed repository.maemo.org chinook free/nonfree | 18:26 |
| godzirra | KotCzarny: I've already -got- that | 18:26 |
| godzirra | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | no | 18:26 |
| godzirra | Is in my hildon-application-manager.list | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's another repo | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | remove extras. | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | different. | 18:26 |
| godzirra | Oh. | 18:26 |
| godzirra | duh. | 18:26 |
| godzirra | sorry. | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | don't remove | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/ != http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | add another one | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | also be carefull to not add http://repository.maemo.org/ | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | only: http://repository.maemo.org | 18:27 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, right, don't delete Extras. I was just saying that it's not the same repo. :P | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, anyone has idea why not-hildonized app disappears after minimizing? | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | it's working in background but there's no way to bring it back | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's not hildonized? | 18:28 |
| godzirra | awesome. Thakns :) | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: cos it's not told the window manager about itself. You can configure its .desktop file so that Matchbox looks for the window class rather than DBus registration | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | that could be it | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | It is it :-) | 18:29 |
| godzirra | playing around with getting kde on my n800. I read something about e17, but I can't find any good data on it. | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | i hacked the app into n800 rather dpkging | 18:29 |
| dragorn | Oh hell yeah. From the linux kernel wireless list: | 18:31 |
| dragorn | After a night of coding (literally!) I'm proud to present | 18:31 |
| dragorn | an early version of a p54common/mac80211 based driver for | 18:31 |
| dragorn | the N810 wireless chip. | 18:31 |
| dragorn | (by johannes berg, not me, should anyone be confused) | 18:31 |
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| aquatix | dragorn: wow | 18:32 |
| dragorn | not currently usable, but having a gpl driver in mainline would make me very happy | 18:32 |
| aquatix | yeah | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | how to find window class? | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | xprop is missing | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 18:34 |
| * aquatix is happy with the default nokia stack | 18:34 | |
| aquatix | but oss support is a want-have too | 18:34 |
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| KotCzarny | oss is deprecated, go alsa | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:34 |
| godzirra | Hrm. now I get permission denied on initfs_flasher. | 18:35 |
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| pupnik | there's a lot of oss stuff floating around | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | alsa-oss-emulation | 18:40 |
| pupnik | and if anyone has time, please look into the esd-oss frontend | 18:40 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: :P | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:40 |
| pupnik | or alsa-oss | 18:40 |
| pupnik | i've tried to get both to work for three nights | 18:40 |
| pupnik | and no luck | 18:40 |
| * aquatix meant OSS | 18:40 | |
| aquatix | opensource software | 18:40 |
| pupnik | but someone else got the esd-oss working | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: but it works | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | just install scratchbox and sdk | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | most of the stuff compiles/works without any changes | 18:41 |
| aquatix | nice | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | bah, if you've got big memory card you can install gcc and rest of the tools on the n800 itself | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:41 |
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| KotCzarny | though you will need to reformat the card to ext2/3 | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/xprop-X11R7.2-1.0.2] > ls -l xprop | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 28112 Feb 29 11:44 xprop | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | [;) | 18:43 |
| * aquatix rather programs some new stuff for maemo | 18:45 | |
| aquatix | not sure what though | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | new media player | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | i hate all of those medialibraried :/ | 18:45 |
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| * KotCzarny hacked a ncurses frontend to mplayer | 18:46 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:46 |
| TuxProbe | Heya - i get an error when trying to sign in from my skype-ui... it says err.14 (DB_ERROR), anyone knows what that means? there's no output from console | 18:46 |
| KotCzarny | why not 'just play all files in dir', is that hard? | 18:46 |
| aquatix | canola is shiny | 18:46 |
| KotCzarny | shiny but still medialibraried | 18:47 |
| aquatix | mpd with a nice gui would be cool | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer usability than shinyness | 18:47 |
| aquatix | yeah | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | medialibrarianism is good for the casual user | 18:47 |
| * aquatix uses mpd at home | 18:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mmpc + mpd | 18:47 |
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| aquatix | i noticed a libmpd in the repository | 18:47 |
| aquatix | are there clients for maemo? | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmpc | 18:48 |
| TuxProbe | mplayer still 'fails' to make a proper playlist handler | 18:48 |
| * mgedmin recommends mmpc | 18:48 | |
| KotCzarny | tuxprobe: that's why i made a frontend | 18:48 |
| TuxProbe | ups was DB_FAILURE from skype-ui | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | playfilelist | 18:48 |
| TuxProbe | KotCzarny i did so too on my linuxbox :) | 18:48 |
| aquatix | ah check | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:48 |
| aquatix | mmpc looks nice | 18:49 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: music libraries are surely more usable than handling files and directories | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | michele: i disagree | 18:49 |
| TuxProbe | and i even plays 6 multiple mplayer windows all at once ;) | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to tag EVERYTHING correctly | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't wanna go through 20000+ mp3s | 18:49 |
| michele_ | I do | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | simple dir/filename is sufficient | 18:50 |
| michele_ | I hate having things not tagged | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | michele: want to tag my files? | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:50 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: get easytag, it can apply tags based on your directory structure | 18:50 |
| michele_ | automatically | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | that would suck | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes | 18:50 |
| aquatix | easytag rocks | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | because it's still automatic | 18:50 |
| * aquatix is slowly but surely tagging his collection correctly | 18:50 | |
| KotCzarny | and can fail | 18:50 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: that because your directory structure sucks then :) | 18:51 |
| aquatix | so i'll have a nice dir structure *and* good tags | 18:51 |
| * KotCzarny won't bend to tag-slavery! | 18:51 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:51 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: then automatically tag 19900 files correctly and then fix the last 100 | 18:51 |
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| michele_ | tags are the correct solution, the rest are hacks | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | still i find it easier to just navigate to dir and start playing | 18:52 |
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| KotCzarny | also my frontend has 'play all files recursive from pwd' | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | so i can just play everything in /techno/ with a one click | 18:52 |
| * pupnik listens to the always entertaining Murray Rothbard | 18:52 | |
| michele_ | agh | 18:53 |
| michele_ | techno | 18:53 |
| michele_ | I give up | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | or /techno/minimal/ | 18:53 |
| * aquatix plays some Psilodump | 18:53 | |
| KotCzarny | or /classics/baroque/ | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:53 |
| aquatix | or /weirdos/britney ;) | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not so hardcore | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:53 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tags really aren't an issue with CDDB | 18:54 |
| aquatix | yeah, easytag rocks | 18:54 |
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| michele_ | or muscibrainz, rather | 18:54 |
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| KotCzarny | still, it's more hassle than it's worth | 18:55 |
| michele_ | you are making up excuses :) | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | i'm just lazy | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | (and my laziness results in me writing code ;) | 18:55 |
| michele_ | just say "I am a nerd and I want to browse my file with a generic interface instead of one specific for music" | 18:56 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm just an atypical user | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:57 |
| * aquatix wants a well-defined directory structure too | 18:57 | |
| aquatix | but i'm also tagging my files correctly now | 18:57 |
| aquatix | it helps | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | but how hard it would be to just play files in some dir? | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | xmms will play a dir | 18:58 |
| aquatix | mpd too | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | for example you connect someones usb-hdd | 18:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Directory structure and tagging need not be mutually exclusive. | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | but for now most of the playes are medialibraried | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | without ability to play all files in dir | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | (with a one click of course) | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meh, navigating a directory structure is more trouble than it's worth. | 19:00 |
| aquatix | why? | 19:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I want all of the music in a genre, I type that genre into the search box and play away. | 19:00 |
| aquatix | myeah | 19:00 |
| aquatix | but i play albums | 19:00 |
| aquatix | or artists | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Type those in, too. | 19:01 |
| michele_ | so you type the name of the album or the artist and play | 19:01 |
| aquatix | it really depends on your usage | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | general: my playes has a one click generation of playlists | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I just shuffle the whole library all the time. | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | so you go to /music/genre1/ and click ';' | 19:01 |
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| aquatix | michele_: yeah, but then you get things like `artist1' and `artist1 feat. artist2' etc | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | and that's it | 19:01 |
| aquatix | as seperate things | 19:01 |
| aquatix | shuffling my library would be madness :) | 19:02 |
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| KotCzarny | mine too | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:02 |
| aquatix | from goa trance to symphonic rock to ambient stuff | 19:02 |
| aquatix | culture shock between two tracks ;) | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Genre changes are part of the spice. | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23000 songs here | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | doesn't bother me. | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:02 |
| aquatix | i've got about 25000 tracks i think | 19:03 |
| pupnik | i love random play | 19:03 |
| aquatix | but it's not my prefered way of listening ;) | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:03 |
| aquatix | at least not in my complete library | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | but you agree that playing recursive from specified dir would be a nice feature? | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:03 |
| pupnik | i think players should have quick and easy rating system, and also a 'delete' hotbutton | 19:04 |
| aquatix | yeah | 19:04 |
| aquatix | as that's what i mostly do myself | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray Quicksilver. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Global playback control. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly from my mouse. | 19:04 |
| aquatix | pupnik: `delete' from list or physically? | 19:04 |
| aquatix | mouse? | 19:04 |
| * aquatix does everything by keyboard ;) | 19:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | next/previous, play/pause, toggle shuffle. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, mouse. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | MX Revolution | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | statusbar player would be nice too | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:04 |
| michele_ | pupnik: itunes has the check box, to not play a song | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~18 buttons with the shift. | 19:05 |
| pupnik | phys | 19:05 |
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| kikka | Hello. | 19:05 |
| aquatix | hey kikka | 19:05 |
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| kikka | How can I install Software on my n770, yeah, that's quite difficult. *g* | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fetch the repos you want that are for your ITOS version. | 19:06 |
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| kikka | And how can I add repos? | 19:06 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: no, because my music is tracks, albums and artists, not directories and files | 19:06 |
| michele_ | dirs and files are computer things, not music | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 19:06 |
| aquatix | and another Modest update :) | 19:07 |
| michele_ | very true | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | folders are abstract grouping | 19:07 |
| michele_ | my CDs are not in folders | 19:07 |
| aquatix | michele_: soooo, what's the difference between a track and a file? | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | kikka, it has click-to-installs for all of them. | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | that's what mp3s are for | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tracks are tagged. | 19:07 |
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| michele_ | aquatix: all the difference in the world, a track is music, a file is data | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | i can have /mood/genre/artist/album/files structure | 19:08 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: I see, but where am I supposed to add the repos? | 19:08 |
| michele_ | tracks could be saved in cyberspace, for all I care | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a bunch of giant green buttons on there . . . . | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You tap them. | 19:08 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: you are a control freak | 19:08 |
| aquatix | yeah, but i've been able to find my way in my collection just fine for years by using a dir tree | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | says who? | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:08 |
| aquatix | just Artist > Albums > Tracks | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | what about unknown tracks? | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:09 |
| aquatix | VA? | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | and you will end up with mish-mash | 19:09 |
| fysa | how is WebKit for chinook these days? ;) | 19:09 |
| aquatix | what i do is create a dir for a genre then | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Non-existant? | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | KotCzarny, at the moment, I don't have any unknown tracks. | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | what about typos? | 19:10 |
| michele_ | you fix them | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably a few | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | what if you can't/don't want? | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the typos would have to have come from CDDB. | 19:10 |
| KotCzarny | what if you just want to play some sound files | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | like ringtones | 19:11 |
| michele_ | it's MY music, why couldn't I fix them? | 19:11 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: enough typos in there ;) | 19:11 |
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| KotCzarny | michele: external usb | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Setting up a directory structure is way more goddamn work than fixing a few hundred unknown/typoed tracks. | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | and a hdd that's not yours | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:11 |
| michele_ | I copy them | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | all 500gb ? | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:11 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: but it's also nice to be able to locate -i tracks | 19:11 |
| michele_ | dudes, I think you are seeing more problems than there really are | 19:11 |
| fysa | GeneralAntilles: oh, it exists.. ;) | 19:11 |
| michele_ | KotCzarny: no, only the tracks I care about | 19:12 |
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| KotCzarny | and how do you find that? | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, EAL? | 19:12 |
| michele_ | I am not a pack rat, I only have music I actually listen to | 19:12 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: creating a dirtree is easy btw | 19:12 |
| aquatix | but i do both | 19:12 |
| aquatix | tree and tagging correctly | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | when you want to browse someone else's files | 19:12 |
| michele_ | I don't copy music just to say "I have 60TB of mp3s!" | 19:12 |
| aquatix | michele_: me too | 19:12 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: HUh, my n770 came back from the nokia garanty repair, and I'm not sure that it is running OS2006. How can I test it? | 19:12 |
| aquatix | i just happen to listen a lot ;) | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at the default theme. | 19:12 |
| fysa | "The Maemo/Hildon mobile platform (used in Nokia internet tablets and Ubuntu Mobile) is now an official component of the GTK+ port." | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it all gray and some obnoxiously bright color? | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of rounded edges? | 19:13 |
| fysa | This means that these libraries can be used directly in WebKit instead of being maintained out of tree. | 19:13 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, grey. | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | kikka: open terminal and type: cat /etc/issue | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2006, then. | 19:13 |
| fysa | no EAL. | 19:13 |
| kikka | KotCzarny: I've no Terminal. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You might want to try flashing OS2008HE. | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 19:14 |
| fysa | http://www.atoker.com/webkit-maemo/README | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | control panel/about product then? | 19:14 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, maybe, but I don't risk to brick it. I just want to install Software onto it. :-/ | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wont brick with a flash. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 99% unpossible. | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | 1% | 19:15 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Hm, okay. Any howtos? | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | 1% + bad luck == brick | 19:15 |
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| aquatix | 1% + bad luck + lighting strike + tsuname = brick to keep the water outside ;) | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I've done dozens and dozens of flashes on a half-dozen devices over the past 2.5 years. | 19:16 |
| aquatix | sometimes you just have to dive | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never once had a failure. | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | general: you're experienced user | 19:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | What does that have to do with flashing failures? | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You run the flasher. | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't anything to it. | 19:16 |
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| * KotCzarny still has to learn flashing | 19:17 | |
| michele_ | ... | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, when are we gonna get a deb here. | 19:17 |
| fysa | that's the real question :) | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have scratchbox. | 19:17 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: OK. | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | kikka, what's your use-case for the 770, anyway? | 19:18 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: First I'll try to find the USB-cable. Do you have any howtos for flashing? | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | You really have three options for the 770: OS2006, OS2007HE, and OS2008HE. | 19:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They all have different strengths and weaknesses. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | What platform, kikka? | 19:18 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Skype, Browsing, RSS-Feeds, Mail, Calendar and Terminal. | 19:19 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Ubuntu, Linux. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Skype . . . | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the word on Skype on the HEs? | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | n800 are going cheap | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | ~150$ | 19:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:20 |
| kikka | Wow. | 19:20 |
| * KotCzarny waits for n810 to follow ;) | 19:21 | |
| kikka | I've bought my n770 a little time ago for 170EUR. | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | July at least, KotCzarny. | 19:21 |
| TuxProbe | i got mine for free, N800 - a 5 month 'trial' :D | 19:21 |
| michele_ | wii KotCzarny | 19:21 |
| michele_ | ops | 19:21 |
| * KotCzarny got n800 + 8gb for 200$ | 19:21 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kikka, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | about week ago | 19:22 |
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| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Okay, but first, does the 770 has a microphone? | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | See the little hole next to the USB port that looks like you should stick something in it to reset? | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't stick anything in that. :P | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:23 |
| aquatix | :) | 19:23 |
| kikka | yeah.. | 19:24 |
| aquatix | the one on the n810 is at the bottom beneath the hold? | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unlikely. | 19:24 |
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| KotCzarny | n800 has mic in the middle on the top rim | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | (i guess) | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 19:25 |
| michele_ | yes, the N810 has it on the bottom, next to the card slot | 19:25 |
| aquatix | yeah | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it really? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Below the stand? | 19:25 |
| michele_ | yes | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just sad. | 19:26 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 19:26 |
| michele_ | the stand is cut there | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 19:26 |
| aquatix | yeah | 19:26 |
| aquatix | why would that be sad? | 19:26 |
| kikka | GeneralAntilles: Okay, where can I find the OS2007HE images? Or should I take OS2008HE? | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have the stand cover the microphone? | 19:26 |
| aquatix | there's a cut so it won't cover | 19:26 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to install ubuntu mobile on n800 | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | kikka I really don't have a clue how well Skype runs on any of them. | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770/ | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | Things that cannot be shipped to 770 users | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | Skype | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | so it has to be hacked in anyway | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | HE looks like 'high explosive' | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:28 |
| * aquatix installs mpd | 19:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really in love with mmpc as a front-end for on-device playback. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to use as a controller. | 19:29 |
| aquatix | i wanted to try mpd on the n810 | 19:29 |
| aquatix | maybe it's nice | 19:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meh, just install mmpc and connect to a server. | 19:29 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: like that works in my car ;) | 19:29 |
| GnutoN810 | hi | 19:29 |
| aquatix | or in the train | 19:30 |
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| aquatix | well, it works, but it won't give *me* music | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, for testing purposes. . . . | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | has anyone noticed, #ma emo | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:30 |
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| aquatix | meh, no `update mpd db' in mmpc? | 19:32 |
| aquatix | ooh, dinner is ready | 19:32 |
| aquatix | bbl :) | 19:32 |
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| mgedmin | mmpc is a bit rough | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | it's version 0.1 yet | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | (also eats battery like crazy) | 19:35 |
| kikka | Okay, I don't want to install any HE as long as my 2006 rans fine. But, I really need to know, how I can install programs. | 19:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You go select the repositories you want to add on gronmayer. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then the rest is done through Application Manager. | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | latest OS2006 supports .install files fine | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | so you can use the Downloads section of maemo.org | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Downloads section is slow and gross. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Adds unnecessary steps. | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | kikka, install terminal | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | then just use apt-get | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | or sshd instead of terminal | 19:38 |
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| kikka | THe Application manager don't like .install-files, it don't show them. | 19:40 |
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| mgedmin | eh? it's not supposed to show them | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | when you click on a .install file in the web browser, it's supposed to open it in the app manager | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | and the app manager is supposed to show you a dialog asking whether you want to add this repo and install this package | 19:42 |
| kikka | No, it downloads them, the app manager... doesn't exist, there's only a app installer... | 19:43 |
| kikka | ... | 19:44 |
| kikka | Any ideas? | 19:45 |
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| Juhaz | oh, crap. I just blew up the charging circuitry in 770 | 19:47 |
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| * Juhaz wonders if there are any of those stand-alone desktop chargers for BP-5L | 19:47 | |
| KotCzarny | how? | 19:47 |
| Juhaz | overvoltage | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | too long charging? | 19:48 |
| Navi | ouch | 19:48 |
| kikka | Aaaaaaaah. It runs 2005... *crap* | 19:48 |
| Juhaz | I've been occasionally loading it with one of those general-purpose adjustable PSU's, forgot the switch at 12V position. | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 19:49 |
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| kikka | Must I flash it to update it? | 19:49 |
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| KotCzarny | kikka: for another os, yes | 19:50 |
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| kikka | kortsi: ... Okay. Where can I get the flasher? | 19:50 |
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| KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php | 19:51 |
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| KotCzarny | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php | 19:51 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows how to use ftp over tls with gftp on ubuntu? | 19:51 |
| Navi | I've heard that 2008HE sucks as far as stability goes | 19:51 |
| kikka | I'll install 2007HE. | 19:52 |
| lcuk_2 | oooooh - as a FYI, nokia mailed me back re: replacement stylus for 810: | 19:54 |
| lcuk_2 | In regard to your email, I would suggest that you contact your nearest Nokia Care Pont or the Nokia store to check the availability of the styluses for your Nokia N810 Internet Tablet. They will be able to assist you further. | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:54 |
| lcuk_2 | hands up how many people think nokia store will direct me back to the website? | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | n800 ships with 2 styluses | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:54 |
| lcdd | so did n810 | 19:55 |
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| lcuk_2 | yes, but when you lose your first one and know a generic doesn't fit you start to get worried | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | a little manual skills.. | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | and it will fit | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:55 |
| lcuk_2 | i dont wanna even touch the spare one - i would rather leave it for a second user if i ever end up selling it :) | 19:56 |
| lcuk_2 | so for now, the original sits in its house and my nokia sits in its cradle and a pen lid is my stylus :) | 19:56 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | get a screen protector and a bunch of generic styluses? | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:59 |
| Navi | :D | 19:59 |
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| mgedmin | alternative: sharpen your nails so you won't need a stylus ;) | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | fingers are too big though | 20:00 |
| elb | nails suck as a stylus | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | will obscure the screen | 20:00 |
| elb | though I use them often | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | there are guitar tools | 20:00 |
| elb | yeah, you don't ever know exactly where you're "clicking" | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | that you wear on your fingers | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | pointed and convenient | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes | 20:01 |
| elb | last time I flew, there was a stewardess with a sweet ring that was a bottle opener deal | 20:01 |
| elb | she used it to open pop cans and stuff | 20:02 |
| kikka | ... Okay, I will flash it with 2006. | 20:02 |
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| lcuk_2 | can you get clear styluses? | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | probably any plastic thing will do | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, but i mean a standard stylus, not just using the barrel of a pen | 20:05 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, setting WM_CLASS was enough to show the app in task list | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk_2: why not? | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | http://www.colino.net/wordpress-1.5/archives/2008/01/17/sdl-applications-and-maemos-task-navigator/ | 20:09 |
| * lcuk_2 came across this recently | 20:09 | |
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| KotCzarny | wow | 20:10 |
| * KotCzarny did it hard way | 20:11 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:11 |
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| KotCzarny | doesn't matter i guess | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | erm. wrong chan | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:14 |
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| KotCzarny | nah | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | that would work only for sdl apps | 20:18 |
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| KotCzarny | for X11 i have to XSetClassHint(dpy, win, my_XAllocClassHint); | 20:18 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 20:18 |
| kikka | Hm, there are cool apps for maemo. even for 06. | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | kikka: yes | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | oss roolez | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:18 |
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| b0r0las | saludos desde colombia | 20:29 |
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| lopz | hola b0r0las | 20:54 |
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| b0r0las | lopz, hola, que bueno ver gente ke habla español por aqui... ya me siento menos solo | 20:55 |
| lopz | haha, lo mismo digo, y que cacharro tienes b0r0las ? | 20:55 |
| b0r0las | me llega la otra semana un n800... | 20:56 |
| lopz | ahh pues yo me habría comprado la n810 jeje | 20:56 |
| b0r0las | lopz, cual tienes tu? | 20:57 |
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| lopz | b0r0las, n800 | 20:59 |
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| b0r0las | y lo tienes arrancando desde memoria sd o desde la propia del aparato? | 20:59 |
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| lopz | b0r0las, desde la flash interna | 21:37 |
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| MangoFusion | anyone know i could expect the internal flash in my n800 to last? | 21:41 |
| MangoFusion | *how long | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | long | 21:41 |
| sxpert | about 10 years | 21:42 |
| MangoFusion | as long as my piece of string? ;) | 21:43 |
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| b0r0las | lopz, porke por la red e visto tutoriales para ponerlo a arrancar desde una memoria sd | 22:29 |
| felipec | what about maemo-es? | 22:30 |
| felipec | podría funcionar, no? | 22:30 |
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| lopz | felipec, yeah, you created channel | 22:35 |
| lopz | b0r0las, pues hay muchos, pero no lo sé, no he probado | 22:35 |
| felipec | lopz: did I? | 22:35 |
| pupnik | try the new duke nukem shareware version... runs very fast on Nokia 770 | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Controls aren't quite as polished as Quake. | 22:38 |
| Navi | luls | 22:39 |
| Navi | Maemo Mapper just crashes when I try to use my old DB | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's corrupt. :P | 22:40 |
| Navi | I figured as much | 22:41 |
| Navi | but it's still funny | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | maemo mapper roolez! | 22:43 |
| Navi | No, U RULEZ | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for the letter u! | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | but checking all zoom levels would download few TB | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | and POI isn't working as expected | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | and it should populate some positions depending on current x/y | 22:44 |
| pupnik | "never give in" | 22:46 |
| pupnik | "be obsessed" - 808 State | 22:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want my OTG dongles. :< | 23:03 |
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| Guest46326 | sik | 23:05 |
| Guest46326 | am | 23:05 |
| Guest46326 | göt | 23:05 |
| Guest46326 | yarraaaaaakkkk | 23:05 |
| Tama^2 | from a reply in meamo bugzilla : | 23:07 |
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| Tama^2 | dmesg output with 16Gb A-data sdhc card in N800 external slot OS2007 | 23:08 |
| Tama^2 | Larger than 8GB cards are not supported, so it's to be expected that | 23:08 |
| Tama^2 | the the card doesn't get recognized. | 23:08 |
| Tama^2 | >.< | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 23:08 |
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| KotCzarny | but os2008 handles them? | 23:08 |
| Navi | Try breaking the card into two partitions | 23:08 |
| Tama^2 | yes it handles them | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | well, then upgrade :> | 23:08 |
| Navi | Works for some | 23:08 |
| Tama^2 | I think that statement is of the managerial kind | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link, Tama^2? | 23:09 |
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| Tama^2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | is there any advantages of having os2007 over os2008? | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | *are | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really, KotCzarny. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're all incredibly subjective. | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to kill all the idiots that don't know how to use the bug submission template. | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the heading isn't relevant FREAKING DELETE IT! | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The reproducibility suggestions are SUGGESTIONS! DELETE IT AFTER YOU CHOOSE ONE! | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gawd | 23:10 |
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| Navi | Lol | 23:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Supposedly they were gonna deploy a much better for for people without edit/confirmbugs. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still hasn't happened | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I still have to look at really badly submitted bug reports. | 23:12 |
| Navi | \o/ | 23:13 |
| hrw | Navi: splitting card to partitions is useless suggestion | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 16GB cards work fine, anyway. | 23:14 |
| Navi | seyz u | 23:14 |
| Tama^2 | except they are power hungry | 23:15 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 23:15 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: with 2.6.21 or 2.6.16/18 kernel? | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be fine with all the SDHC kernels. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't done any testing, though. | 23:15 |
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| KotCzarny | jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | is it bad? | 23:17 |
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| KotCzarny | off-topic: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/17/funny-pictures-kitteh-deactivated/ | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | question: can n800 export both cards via usb? | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | ie. as separate luns ? | 23:23 |
| Tama^2 | yes | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 23:23 |
| Tama^2 | it just does it | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plug it in. | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | i did | 23:25 |
| Tama^2 | yes, ehat GA says ;) | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | only one device showed up | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then the other is in use. | 23:25 |
| Tama^2 | the other was in use, most likely | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | mount doesn't show anything | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | (on n800) | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swap can occasionally be mildly problematic for that. | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | swap is turned off | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I just have a couple of AppleScript droplets on my desktop to send files over scp. | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i use sshfs for that | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | but i was curious just in case | 23:26 |
| shackan | turn it off? | 23:26 |
| shackan | (I mean the device) | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | let's see | 23:27 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. one improvement would be noatime for / and mmc cards | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | also quiet for vfat | 23:27 |
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| KotCzarny | (i added it by hand, but would be great for flash life?) | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash cards these days handle their own life management pretty well. | 23:29 |
| Tama^2 | I thought the cards were already mounted noatime | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | at least not on mine freshly flashed os2008 | 23:29 |
| Tama^2 | I will check that when I go back to OS2008 | 23:29 |
| Tama^2 | if I go back | 23:29 |
| Tama^2 | ... | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | you have 2009? | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 23:30 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 23:30 |
| Tama^2 | no flashed 2007 | 23:30 |
| Tama^2 | which is fugly | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia finally managed to put together a halfway decent themeset with OS2008. | 23:30 |
| Tama^2 | but my sd cards do not drain the battery as faast as with os2008 | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | i mean, why you have reflashed 2k7 | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, are you sure you're not just leaving your porn downloading script running? :P | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | plankton theme is nice | 23:31 |
| Tama^2 | because I cannot use my tables as a music player if my battery discharges in 24 hours when idle | 23:31 |
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| Tama^2 | lolz GA | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | also, hibernate would be great | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | but i guess it's a lot more coding | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, not really. | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the fact that the watchdogs would need major reworking | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | it would go to sleep/wake up faster | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | an idling tablet really doesn't use that much more power than a slept tablet. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sleeps/wakes instantly now, KotCzarny. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wonders of ARM. | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | i mean power-off sleep | 23:33 |
| elb | it can already do that | 23:33 |
| elb | and does, if you power it off while it's plugged into the wall | 23:33 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 23:33 |
| elb | or does something very similar, anyway | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | when i turn it off it goes all the way through shutdown | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The watchdog will step in and reset it if you sleep it. | 23:33 |
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| derf | Someone did a script to get suspend working. | 23:34 |
| derf | It woke up every 60 seconds and frobbed the watchdogs. | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 23:35 |
| elb | so what does it do when it's plugged into power, and you hold the power button? | 23:36 |
| elb | it's not the same as a regular power off | 23:36 |
| elb | but it sort of boots when you power it on | 23:36 |
| elb | (the boot sequence is much more rapid, but it still splashes up the nokia logo, etc.) | 23:37 |
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| * KotCzarny replaced nokia-hands logo | 23:37 | |
| KotCzarny | and i will replace initrd one too | 23:37 |
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| KotCzarny | when i learn flashing :> | 23:37 |
| elb | I guess some people care about that | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't liked that hands | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | i put a cat there | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | :D | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad it takes so long to draw the second image. | 23:38 |
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| KotCzarny | yes | 23:39 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=149610&postcount=48 GeneralAntilles what do you think? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | nice logo | 23:39 |
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| KotCzarny | but giving nokia a finger because they made sdk free? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:39 |
| Tama^2 | another thing | 23:39 |
| Tama^2 | OS2008 disables (?) touchscreen pressure detection | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, but I think my thumb is too sticky to use it track-pad like on the screen. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so, Tama^2, I think it's just really broken. | 23:40 |
| XATRIX | hi all :) i'm here again :) | 23:40 |
| Tama^2 | my N800 does not detect touchscreen pressure when in OS2008 | 23:40 |
| Tama^2 | :( | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I'd say, clone Quake. Quake is PERFECT on the N800. | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | gimp-n800! | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:41 |
| pupnik | i disagree, i don't like playing with a stylus | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 23:41 |
| pupnik | though it's pretty darn good | 23:41 |
| pupnik | i'd just rather have some smart thumb movement in a small region on the right side | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stylus works really well. I don't think I could slide a thumb or finger around as easily. | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | yeah pipeline did a great job fixing the stylus responsiveness | 23:42 |
| Andy80 | hi | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | camera for remote-controll | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | as in ps3! | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:43 |
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| Andy80 | I've some problem with my N810 repositories... I've all enables in Application Manager, but if (from terminal) I try to install (for example) python2.5-gpsbt it says that package cannot be verified and even if I press "y" it aborts... how can I check what happened? | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4140 | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | here's the link for camera tracking | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:45 |
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