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| threethirty | ok, ty just wanted to know that im not the first one | 00:01 |
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| blahdeblah | Sorry | 00:21 |
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| blahdeblah | Somehow my N800 has got into a state where it won't accept input from either the pen or the bluetooth keyboard. Any ideas? | 00:22 |
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| derf | Hold down the power key until it reboots. | 00:22 |
| blahdeblah | derf: thanks a lot! :-( | 00:23 |
| blahdeblah | I responds fine to screen & onboard keys. | 00:23 |
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| blahdeblah | So i can manually shut down. | 00:23 |
| blahdeblah | But i don't want to - i want to fix it! ;-) | 00:24 |
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| blahdeblah | Looks like it's pretty screwed | 00:28 |
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| blahdeblah | Not happy. :-( | 00:28 |
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| truls | ack, finally found the showstopper for os2008 upgrade... maemocjk, no longer able to swap keyboard on-the-fly | 00:33 |
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| derf | Hmm, fortunately I never do that. | 00:34 |
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| blahdeblah | truls: Yeah - it's a pain. I often sit with they keyboard to the side and pull it out when i want to do some serious text input. | 00:36 |
| truls | blahdeblah: japanese keyboard? | 00:36 |
| * truls got confused | 00:36 | |
| blahdeblah | Sorry - i misinterpreted your message. | 00:37 |
| truls | i'm not talking about anything related to the hardware keyboard, i'm talking about japanese input support | 00:37 |
| blahdeblah | I realise that now... ;-) | 00:37 |
| truls | heh | 00:37 |
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| lcuk_2 | maemo pads: serious business | 00:39 |
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| KaKaRoTo | hi, I have a question | 00:42 |
| tbb | anyone knows where maemo os2008 stores the network connections with their passwords (wlan etc) | 00:43 |
| KaKaRoTo | I made a deb package using the chinnok sdk but when trying to install it application manager complains that it's incompatible | 00:43 |
| Luria | goddamn | 00:43 |
| KaKaRoTo | does anyone know what might cause it and how to fix this | 00:43 |
| KaKaRoTo | ? | 00:43 |
| Luria | http://gfdsa.gfdsa.org/2008/01/02/openvpn-on-os2008n800maemo/ | 00:43 |
| Luria | "Most of the people don’t even hit this bug, because verbose level of 4 is rarely used." | 00:44 |
| Luria | well, i hit it. | 00:44 |
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| lcuk_2 | couldn't you lower your verbosity level and ignore it ;) | 00:45 |
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| sibbe | hmm.. need to check if it happens with 2.1rc compiled against lzo2 | 00:45 |
| sibbe | ...oh but can't do it right now | 00:45 |
| Luria | yeah, im going to v3 right now | 00:45 |
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| lcuk_2 | workarounds make the world go round :) | 00:46 |
| gnuton | Hi | 00:46 |
| Luria | this has been more annoying than it should | 00:46 |
| Luria | doing ovpn on x-wrt | 00:46 |
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| sibbe | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openvpn + liblzo2 compiled just fine iirc, but i didn't have time to actually test the packages :) | 00:47 |
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| lcuk_2 | hi gnu | 00:47 |
| sibbe | libpam dependency disabled ofcourse | 00:47 |
| KaKaRoTo | hi, anyone knows why application manager says "Unable to install. incompatible application package" on my deb file (chinook built with maemo 4.x sdk) ? | 00:49 |
| Luria | also, silly question, but how do i make scripts executable without invoking sh/ash? | 00:50 |
| Luria | or does ash not do that | 00:51 |
| Luria | (yes they are +x'ed) | 00:51 |
| Cord | Luria: head -1 $script? | 00:51 |
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| Luria | k, ta | 00:52 |
| Cord | you need your interpreter in the first line of the script | 00:53 |
| Cord | something like '#! /bin/sh' | 00:53 |
| Luria | i put a shebang line in | 00:53 |
| Luria | still i get foo:not found | 00:55 |
| Cord | you call your script with ./$script? | 00:55 |
| * KaKaRoTo feels noone cares about my problem... :( | 00:56 | |
| Luria | yeah | 00:56 |
| Cord | KaKaRoTo: the problem is hidden in the manager. | 00:56 |
| Cord | KaKaRoTo: as i don'T know it yet, i can'T help. maybe running dpkg -i $package.deb shows something more useful? | 00:57 |
| Cord | Luria: and you get? | 00:57 |
| Luria | the script runs | 00:57 |
| Luria | i would just like not to have to be in the same dir | 00:58 |
| Cord | so problem solved? | 00:58 |
| Cord | Luria: you want to run it with the /path/to/script? or do you want to run it with '$ script'? | 00:58 |
| Luria | i want it to be callable from path | 00:59 |
| Luria | so i dont have to be in the same directory | 00:59 |
| KaKaRoTo | Cord, http://pastebin.ca/845888 | 00:59 |
| KaKaRoTo | Cord, dpkg -i says nothing more | 00:59 |
| Cord | Luria: then you need to move it somehwere in your directories that 'echo $PATH' displays. | 00:59 |
| KaKaRoTo | it installs with dpkg -i, but applicatin manager doesn't want to instal lit | 00:59 |
| Luria | cord, ok, ta | 01:00 |
| KaKaRoTo | I have chinook and the package was compiled using the chinook rootstrap | 01:00 |
| rm_you | KaKaRoTo: are you in redpill mode? | 01:00 |
| KaKaRoTo | rm_you, it installs in red pill mode, but it doesn't in blue pill | 01:00 |
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| KaKaRoTo | that's what I just discovered | 01:00 |
| Luria | i knew it was something silly | 01:00 |
| rm_you | sometimes it won't install packages if they replace any files that are in the official packages | 01:00 |
| KaKaRoTo | rm_you, I have it installed, but I need my users to be able to install it without going into red pill mode | 01:00 |
| Cord | KaKaRoTo: ok, the deb is fine, then i'm out as i don'T know the things you have trouble with. Nokia doesn'T like Germany. | 01:01 |
| Luria | who does? | 01:01 |
| Luria | }:-) | 01:01 |
| KaKaRoTo | Cord, germany ? I don't get it :p | 01:02 |
| tbb | Anyone knows where maemo os2008 stores the network connections with their passwords (wlan etc) | 01:02 |
| Cord | KaKaRoTo: discount codes are not working yet. | 01:02 |
| Cord | tbb: debian stores things somewhere in /etc/net* | 01:03 |
| KaKaRoTo | rm_you, and the packages don't overwrite any of the existing files on the system | 01:03 |
| KaKaRoTo | Cord, ahh ok lol :) | 01:03 |
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| KaKaRoTo | btw, if anyone is interested : http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ | 01:05 |
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| KaKaRoTo | there are nice screenshots in there :D | 01:05 |
| Luria | very nice... but odd timing | 01:07 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, why odd timing ? | 01:07 |
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| Luria | because they just added msn (and others) to rtcomm | 01:07 |
| pupnik_ | Cord: if you have success in buying from nokia.de with a friend's credit card, let me know please | 01:08 |
| zetheroo | I just got my new N800... but I have a few questions | 01:08 |
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| zetheroo | for one does Skype work with Video ? | 01:08 |
| Cord | pupnik_: i'll blog about it :-) | 01:08 |
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| Cord | ok, good nite. | 01:08 |
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| zetheroo | Also how do I upgrade to the latest OS and what benifits does it have over the one that is on it already | 01:08 |
| zetheroo | ? | 01:08 |
| Luria | its not as nice as an amsn port, but it saves me from running another program (and using more space) | 01:09 |
| pupnik | hi zetheroo welcome to the club. i recall hearing problems about that. most user questions are discussed on internettablettalk.com - use the search feature | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | wb lardman | 01:09 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, oh I know :p but rtcomm doesn't support webcam or voice clips or file transfers or avatars, etc... :p | 01:09 |
| Luria | please understand i'm not knocking your efforts | 01:09 |
| KaKaRoTo | and webcam/voice clips/file transfers will never be supported because they use libpurple which doesn't support all that | 01:09 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, nah, don't worry, I didn't think that :) | 01:10 |
| Luria | i totally get that | 01:10 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, what knocks down my efforts is that it's a liiiitle bit too slow (but definitely usable) AND uses too much memory | 01:10 |
| Luria | well, maybe in conjuction with rtcom... IOW, rtcom for presence, and an im to start vv chat | 01:11 |
| Luria | and amsn to continue | 01:11 |
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| Luria | it's a kludgy, but efficient use case | 01:12 |
| tbb | im searching for the correct syntax for that case if [ -z $mynumeric or $mynumeric -lt 4 ]; then shell scripting | 01:12 |
| tbb | the or part | 01:12 |
| czr | tbb, -o | 01:13 |
| czr | tbb, man [ | 01:13 |
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| zetheroo | pupnik: ok... and what about the OS upgrade? | 01:14 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, yeah, that's what I do now :p leaving amsn open for too long then start a new app it will tell you "you need to close an application to open a new one" | 01:14 |
| KaKaRoTo | so amsn is opened only when I need to chat | 01:15 |
| Luria | the joys of memleaks | 01:15 |
| KaKaRoTo | another amsn developer is waiting for his discount code and I'm sure he'll port it correctly (less eye candy to reduce memory and look out for that memleak) | 01:16 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, in theory we have zero memleaks.. but I'm starting to doubt it... maybe something new was added recently that causes this | 01:16 |
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| KaKaRoTo | at startup it uses 42MB of memory.. that's the joys of tcl/tk :p | 01:16 |
| Luria | maybe some odd artifact of the porting? | 01:16 |
| Luria | christ | 01:16 |
| KaKaRoTo | maybe.. | 01:16 |
| KaKaRoTo | tcl/tk was 'hildonized' and maybe that patch is the one adding a memleak | 01:16 |
| KaKaRoTo | oh well, we'll see :) | 01:17 |
| Luria | thats kinda what i meant | 01:17 |
| KaKaRoTo | it's just great to see maemo being able to handle something like that :) | 01:17 |
| Luria | complex systems, yadda yadda | 01:17 |
| KaKaRoTo | :) | 01:17 |
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| Luria | i wish there were better collab tools around | 01:17 |
| KaKaRoTo | now I'm trying to port gnash and cabextract... this way we can have winks support on maemo too :d | 01:18 |
| Luria | i actually miss netmeeting | 01:18 |
| Luria | except for its stability | 01:18 |
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| zetheroo | how do I upgrade my N800 to the latest OS? | 01:19 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, lol | 01:20 |
| KaKaRoTo | netmeeting? | 01:20 |
| KaKaRoTo | :p | 01:20 |
| Luria | zetheroo, 1)what platform is your desktop, 2)what os version is on your nokia | 01:20 |
| Luria | whatever, V+V and mutliplayer paint | 01:20 |
| KaKaRoTo | Luria, in theory farsight has a netmeeting plugin but it's outdated and not compiled anymore | 01:20 |
| Luria | and chat, and small | 01:20 |
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| KaKaRoTo | ah.. no multiplayer paint in farsight though.. :p | 01:21 |
| Luria | netmeeting wasnt terrible | 01:21 |
| KaKaRoTo | well, it wasn't awesome either | 01:21 |
| KaKaRoTo | but it was good for that time | 01:22 |
| KaKaRoTo | one of the first few | 01:22 |
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| zetheroo | Luria: I just got it ... I am running Ubuntu Gutsy on my laptop and I dunno much about the N800 | 01:22 |
| Luria | i would love a multiplatform v+v, whiteboard, chat, and desktop sharing app | 01:23 |
| pierlux | "multiplayer paint" lol | 01:23 |
| Luria | zetheroo, go to control panel -> about product | 01:24 |
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| Luria | pierlux, dont knock multiplayer paint | 01:24 |
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| Luria | if ion storm had released that instead of daikatana, they might still be in business | 01:25 |
| pupnik | sounds intriguing | 01:25 |
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| pierlux | it's the wording I found funny | 01:26 |
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| pupnik | Luria: know any open-source painters that allow 'multiplayer'? | 01:26 |
| zetheroo | Luria: OS 2007 edition | 01:26 |
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| Luria | ok, youll need a charged n800 and the usb cable | 01:27 |
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| Luria | and your wifi mac | 01:27 |
| Luria | then follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 01:28 |
| Luria | but dont use the linked image, its old | 01:29 |
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| Luria | fwiw, i always grab the static flasher to avoid headaches, but im paranoid | 01:31 |
| zetheroo | Luria: oh my.. this is sounding over my head | 01:31 |
| qos | pupnik, the word you are searching for is "collaborativ" | 01:31 |
| Luria | its not | 01:31 |
| zetheroo | Luria: tell me... are there any major advantages to the new OS? | 01:31 |
| Luria | thats a complicated question, read some of the threads on internettablettalk.com | 01:31 |
| Luria | i like it, but its not as stable as os2007 | 01:32 |
| zetheroo | Luria: so it crashes more? | 01:32 |
| Luria | its not unstable tho | 01:32 |
| Luria | a little more. overall, tho, its faster | 01:33 |
| qos | does somebody use the build in chat application and is willing to test a package for me? | 01:33 |
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| zetheroo | Luria: oh its faster than the old one? | 01:35 |
| lcuk_2 | zeth - for now there are a lot of apps which have not yet been compiled. if you are a happy 800 user, dont update unless you see a positive need. if you are a new user, its probably best going through the upgrade process and then learn the new system in one simpler step | 01:35 |
| zetheroo | lcuk_2: I am a new user.... just got it today | 01:36 |
| Luria | true. upgrading a built system is a pain | 01:36 |
| Luria | then flash | 01:36 |
| lcuk_2 | i got my 810 recently and had to flash its bios on its first day. its not *that* tricky as long as you read up first | 01:37 |
| zetheroo | hehe.. so what should I do....? | 01:37 |
| zetheroo | I thought that since I just got it now would be the best time to update | 01:37 |
| Luria | zetheroo, you know basic shell commands? ls, cd, mkdir? | 01:37 |
| lcuk_2 | do you have a windows install? | 01:37 |
| zetheroo | some of them | 01:37 |
| zetheroo | Ubuntu Gutsy | 01:37 |
| Luria | ok, if you pm me, ill walk you through it | 01:38 |
| lcuk_2 | i chickened out and used the nokia windows update wizard | 01:38 |
| zetheroo | I have my N800 plugged into USB and AC adapter | 01:38 |
| * lcuk_2 had it easy | 01:38 | |
| zetheroo | lcuk_2: sigh | 01:38 |
| Luria | zetheroo, its a dev channel, id be happy to walk you through this privately. | 01:38 |
| lcuk_2 | dont worry zeth, if you use linux you wont have probs - from what i have read in the last couple of weeks it goes pretty smoothly | 01:39 |
| lcuk_2 | take lurias advice :) | 01:39 |
| zetheroo | ok | 01:39 |
| zetheroo | I will | 01:39 |
| zetheroo | I am | 01:39 |
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| CrashandDie | hey everyone ! | 01:40 |
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| CrashandDie | I'm going to have to develop an app on a n800, it's the final project of my degree | 01:41 |
| lcuk_2 | hi crash | 01:42 |
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| CrashandDie | and I've been playing around with the n800, and loved it, so I just bought a n810, should be heading my way end of this week, early next week maybe | 01:42 |
| CrashandDie | now, I have this question, I'm all excited and stuff, is there any sort of software that supports SIP on maemo atm ? | 01:42 |
| Luria | yeah | 01:43 |
| Luria | the native im stack | 01:43 |
| Luria | rtcomm | 01:43 |
| Luria | also there is a gizmo client which will use other sip servers if properly configured | 01:43 |
| sven-tek | Hey everyone | 01:44 |
| CrashandDie | sweet, so just input my certificate and I'm good to go ? | 01:44 |
| sven-tek | still awake | 01:44 |
| CrashandDie | man, I'm about to throw my cell phone away :D | 01:44 |
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| CrashandDie | so, the n800 I'll be working on is running OS2007, but the n810 runs OS2008... Should I upgrade the n800 so I can use the same development environment for both ? | 01:45 |
| sven-tek | sure | 01:45 |
| sven-tek | Iam running OS2008 on my N800 | 01:45 |
| CrashandDie | ok, great | 01:46 |
| sven-tek | Dont know what you use to use | 01:46 |
| sven-tek | It took some time until i found all my known apps or others | 01:46 |
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| CrashandDie | well, as I said, I'm an internet tablet virgin, I used it today for the first time | 01:46 |
| CrashandDie | so it doesn't change a lot for me if I just start off with OS2008 | 01:47 |
| sven-tek | yeah | 01:47 |
| sven-tek | Today i installed canola2 on my n800 | 01:47 |
| sven-tek | Thats a must have | 01:48 |
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| lcuk_2 | crash, is your desktop windows or linux? | 01:48 |
| sven-tek | But i have one question for the audience. I can not get canola to show any album covers. Is there any trick to do it? | 01:49 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk_2, both, unix too... I run debian/gentoo/ubuntu/solaris and xp | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | sven, i had to set my paths to ensure it built the library. until i did that it didnt find my music | 01:49 |
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| lcuk_2 | crash, get onto the nokia site then - go to the support pages - they have update software and instructions for windows | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | and linux | 01:50 |
| CrashandDie | yeah I know, I looked at it earlier today | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | (would give link but nokia seems regionalised - im in europe) | 01:50 |
| CrashandDie | I'm in europe too ;) | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 01:51 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 01:51 |
| CrashandDie | I just bookmarked it, cheers | 01:51 |
| CrashandDie | sven-tek, wow, canola is slexy man ! | 01:52 |
| lcuk_2 | as you are a new user flashing will give you the simplest experience - a clean slate | 01:52 |
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| CrashandDie | yeah, I installed xterm on it and ssh, I was tripping with it | 01:53 |
| sven-tek | I just read about the OS2008 release. I still run the beta. | 01:53 |
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| sven-tek | Am i fine with just doing the apt-get dist-upgrade? | 01:53 |
| lcuk_2 | sven, not sure - there was talk of problems with upgrading | 01:54 |
| * lcuk_2 remembers something about restoring a full backup | 01:54 | |
| lcuk_2 | 2 tics.. | 01:55 |
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| CrashandDie | so the memory card that comes with it ? Is it 2Gig ? | 01:55 |
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| lcuk_2 | yer crash | 01:56 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.maemoapps.com/2007/12/20/if-youve-been-using-the-beta-do-not-restore-from-full-backup-with-os2008/ | 01:56 |
| lcuk_2 | sven - this is what i read | 01:56 |
| sven-tek | jesus, my root partition has 18.6MB left O_o | 01:56 |
| sven-tek | thanks | 01:56 |
| CrashandDie | sven-tek, desktop or tablet ? | 01:56 |
| sven-tek | tablet | 01:56 |
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| Luria | i wish i had that | 01:57 |
| Luria | much space | 01:57 |
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| CrashandDie | so, anyone in europe bought it in the states ? | 01:57 |
| CrashandDie | That's what I did | 01:58 |
| CrashandDie | brb, cigs | 01:58 |
| hugolp | CrashandDie: and what about the diferent voltages? | 01:58 |
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| CrashandDie | hugolp, it's not a problem | 01:58 |
| CrashandDie | hugolp, it's the standard nokia charger, you get those for a bargain | 01:59 |
| CrashandDie | hugolp, plus I have like 5 us-eu converters lying around the house, so... | 01:59 |
| hugolp | aha, so where did you buy it? | 01:59 |
| CrashandDie | ebay :/ | 01:59 |
| hugolp | ok | 02:00 |
| fri | Crash, HWat about keyboard layout ? | 02:00 |
| watti | sven, you can burn most of the help files and just keep the language of your choice | 02:00 |
| CrashandDie | fri, it's qwerty... What's different about that ? | 02:00 |
| CrashandDie | fri, and even if I want regional support, it's just keymapping, nothing software can't handle :) | 02:01 |
| CrashandDie | cigs | 02:01 |
| lcuk_2 | crash - what about tab key | 02:02 |
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| fri | Crash, yea i know, i have US keyboard, its just better for programming than my regional layout | 02:05 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk_2, tab key ? | 02:06 |
| lcuk_2 | 810 has no tabkey | 02:06 |
| CrashandDie | and ? | 02:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | i didnt think it would matter until i started to program in python | 02:06 |
| sven-tek | watti, i found a huge syslog file recently that burned my root-partition to 100%. It behaves really ugly when there is no space left | 02:07 |
| CrashandDie | I'm not going to program on the tablet lol | 02:07 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk_2, and even if I | 02:07 |
| CrashandDie | *have | 02:07 |
| CrashandDie | damnit | 02:07 |
| CrashandDie | and even if I *have* to program on it, I'll get myself a BT keyboard | 02:07 |
| lcuk_2 | yer - im gonna be gettin one myself | 02:08 |
| pupnik | fri 100% agree | 02:08 |
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| |tbb| | anyone managed to get irc running on os2008, ive just get a few protocols more after installing the sw update. included icq aim yahoo, but no irc ;( | 02:09 |
| * Mousey did | 02:09 | |
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| Mousey | xchat tho, haven't tried pidgin | 02:09 |
| |tbb| | forgotten to say, i use the built in IM | 02:10 |
| Mousey | oh. abandon hope all ye who use the builtin IM | 02:10 |
| Mousey | [i use it too, shamefully] | 02:10 |
| Mousey | besides, xchat is way cooler =) | 02:10 |
| Mousey | uh, well.. for IRC | 02:10 |
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| Mousey | all i really want is freeciv | 02:11 |
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| Mousey | *me cries* | 02:11 |
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| Mousey | s/[^.*]/^\// | 02:12 |
| CrashandDie | btw, I tried to use cgi irc earlier, didn't seem to work on the OS2007 browser | 02:12 |
| abrock | Trying to use NetworkManager in Fedora 8 and I keep getting prompted to that nm_applet request to unlock default keyring. I'm new to linux, so anyone available to help with this. Thanks. | 02:12 |
| watti | sven: Do you know where that file came from? | 02:13 |
| CrashandDie | abrock, networkmanager as in Gnome ? | 02:13 |
| abrock | I believe so. | 02:13 |
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| CrashandDie | abrock, the keyring is basically an app that allows you to save a lot different keys, be it wifi networks, internet passwords, etc | 02:14 |
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| |tbb| | do i have to install the irc protocol from pidgin to use it with built in IM | 02:14 |
| CrashandDie | abrock, you probably need to define a "keyring password", each time a program attempts to access the keyring, you'll have to type in that password to grant the privileges | 02:14 |
| abrock | crashanddie: I entered the password I set for the current user, and I tried the password for the root. They don't work. So is it a different password.] | 02:14 |
| Mousey | |tbb|: uh, i don't think so. | 02:14 |
| CrashandDie | abrock, tried an empty field ? | 02:15 |
| Mousey | or 12345 | 02:15 |
| |tbb| | i wonder what im doing wrong | 02:15 |
| CrashandDie | abrock, if it doesn't work, try to execute the keyring standalone, and see if you can figure out things from there | 02:15 |
| abrock | crashanddie: Empty field brings the prompt back demanding to enter a password...that it cannot be blank. Where do I set the default keyring password? | 02:15 |
| lcuk_2 | tbb - i just use xchat in 08 | 02:15 |
| CrashandDie | abrock, also, if you need more help, the guys in #gnome should be more than willing to help, and probably know a lot more about it | 02:16 |
| abrock | Thanks for the info. | 02:16 |
| lcuk_2 | abrock, 08 has no password, you have to do the ninja gainroot stuff and then set one | 02:16 |
| |tbb| | i will reinstall the rt-beta thing | 02:17 |
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| Luria | guys, im helping zetheroo with linux flashing | 02:17 |
| Luria | and for some reason its not going | 02:17 |
| abrock | lcuk_2: Pardon my ignorance...what is ninja gainroot stuff | 02:17 |
| Luria | the md5 is ok | 02:17 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/iriver_024.jpg WANTS | 02:17 |
| Luria | his output is: | 02:18 |
| Luria | (paste to follow) | 02:18 |
| Luria | zetheroo> flasher v0.9.0 (Jan 19 2007) | 02:18 |
| Luria | <zetheroo> Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 02:18 |
| Luria | <zetheroo> USB device found found at bus 005, device address 014 | 02:18 |
| Luria | <zetheroo> Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302 | 02:18 |
| Luria | <zetheroo> NOLO version 1.1.6 | 02:18 |
| Luria | <zetheroo> Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 02:18 |
| Luria | and then drops him to prompt | 02:18 |
| Luria | using flasher-3.0-static | 02:18 |
| Luria | any thoughts? | 02:19 |
| lcuk_2 | when i was flashing it kept showing detected then dropping | 02:19 |
| lcuk_2 | it was down to button release timings or something but i got it in the end | 02:19 |
| zetheroo | Luria: are we sure the command was the right one? | 02:19 |
| lcuk_2 | has he removed the power | 02:19 |
| Luria | the command was fine | 02:19 |
| Luria | zetheroo, its unplugged from the adapter, right? | 02:19 |
| zetheroo | Luria: yes | 02:20 |
| zetheroo | just USB | 02:20 |
| zetheroo | lcuk_2: when should the button be released? | 02:20 |
| Luria | yeah, thats the one thing thats hard to explain | 02:20 |
| zetheroo | and why does it say this: Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 02:20 |
| lcuk_2 | zeth, on my 810 i was told to "hold down home button and press power on, when i see the usb symbol i should release the home button" | 02:21 |
| zetheroo | lcuk_2: yeah thats what I did.... but the USB icon is there from the start | 02:22 |
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| lcuk_2 | i did this but because the power button needs an extended press before it will start (its about 1second) i was keeping power down for too long and not catching it | 02:22 |
| Luria | ./flasher-3.0-static RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 02:22 |
| zetheroo | ok.. I am going to try again | 02:22 |
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| Luria | use that | 02:22 |
| lcuk_2 | yer zeth, once you see the usb, release the home key and flashing should be available | 02:22 |
| sibbe | shouldnt that be "flasher -F RX.bin -f -R" (missing -F?) | 02:23 |
| Luria | gah | 02:23 |
| Luria | try that | 02:23 |
| zetheroo | huh? | 02:24 |
| * lcuk_2 spent about 20minutes trying to start it | 02:24 | |
| Luria | ./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 02:24 |
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| zetheroo | ok... something is happening | 02:25 |
| zetheroo | 100% (134400 of 134400 kB, avg. 7294 kB/s) | 02:25 |
| zetheroo | Finishing flashing... done | 02:25 |
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| Luria | ok, the n800 should reboot now | 02:25 |
| Luria | my fault, sorry | 02:25 |
| zetheroo | booted up fine | 02:25 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 02:26 |
| zetheroo | Luria: no thanks for your help | 02:26 |
| zetheroo | thanks everyone | 02:26 |
| Luria | np | 02:26 |
| lcuk_2 | :) | 02:26 |
| zetheroo | is Skype video possible now? | 02:26 |
| Luria | nope | 02:26 |
| sibbe | hmm funny, the flasher binary has 3.0 in its name and it says v0.9.0 :) | 02:27 |
| zetheroo | what do you use for video conferencing? | 02:27 |
| lcuk_2 | i dont | 02:28 |
| czr | sibbe, 3.0 is marketing version, 0.9.0 is the real one? :-) | 02:28 |
| czr | it's like maemo sdk 4.0.. /me runs | 02:28 |
| Luria | right, cause flasher 3 is a big commercial project | 02:28 |
| czr | it should be! | 02:29 |
| lcuk_2 | Cptnodegard, wow that looks ummm odd | 02:29 |
| zetheroo | lcuk_2: but its possible right? | 02:29 |
| czr | cause it contains valuable intellectual trade secret information property thingies | 02:29 |
| lcuk_2 | i dunno | 02:29 |
| lcuk_2 | not looked | 02:29 |
| fri | zetheroo, Gizmo 4.0 or the build in Gtalk should work for video | 02:29 |
| lcuk_2 | i bet it was called 3.0 cos it was used with maemo 3.0... | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | it should do SIP video calls too | 02:30 |
| sibbe | czr, yea.. tried flasher-2.0 binary: flasher v0.8.1 (May 30 2006) | 02:30 |
| czr | see! | 02:30 |
| Luria | actually, v+v on gizmo using the sip stack works | 02:30 |
| CrashandDie | My ISP offers SIP, so I'll be able to call for free to like 70 countries ;) | 02:30 |
| czr | it's kind of logical sibbe. use 3.0 for version 2008. err. 2007. with maemo sdk 4.0.. err. something. | 02:30 |
| zetheroo | fri: nothing built in works with video? | 02:30 |
| Luria | the question is what to use in the desktop | 02:30 |
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| CrashandDie | btw, did anyone ever try to run anything else than maemo ? | 02:31 |
| Luria | cp flasher-3.0 flasher-4.0 | 02:31 |
| Luria | happy? | 02:31 |
| lcuk_2 | lol luria | 02:31 |
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| sibbe | ..or just use 0xFFFF http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 02:31 |
| Luria | CrashandDie, there isnt anything really useful that runs well | 02:31 |
| zetheroo | Luria: do you do video conferencing on your Nokia? | 02:31 |
| Luria | rarely | 02:32 |
| lcuk_2 | would sugar run on it? | 02:32 |
| lcuk_2 | (olpc desktop) | 02:32 |
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| zetheroo | Luria: what do you use to do it? | 02:32 |
| Luria | usually it's n8x0-n8x0 | 02:33 |
| Luria | but i've used gizmo on windows with the n800 | 02:33 |
| fri | zetheroo, well, video works with other tablet owners with the build in Gtalk | 02:34 |
| Luria | but not using the gizmo client on the n800, using the im stack | 02:34 |
| Luria | fri - in theory it should work elsewhere, ive just not seen a v+v jingle client | 02:34 |
| zetheroo | I need something which will allow me to video conference with PC and other tablet users | 02:34 |
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| Luria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol) | 02:35 |
| Robot101 | there was actually an instant video client made to talk to the N800s, but they didn't get us to write it so it worked badly... :P | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | so it was cancelled | 02:36 |
| zetheroo | so there is nothing for this? | 02:36 |
| zetheroo | thats the main reason I was getting it | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | well, SIP video calling should work | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | I'm no expert on windows SIP clients though | 02:36 |
| zetheroo | but does the other end need to be using SIP too? | 02:36 |
| zetheroo | what about MSN and Yahoo chat? | 02:37 |
| fri | Luria, It only works on the tablets, dont think the specifications for video are complete yet | 02:37 |
| zetheroo | is there a all-in-one messenger for that? | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | not yet... | 02:37 |
| Luria | no video on anything other than SIP (or XMPP, in theory) | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | fri: our implementation on the tableg lags a little behind the jingle spec, but tbh I'm not aware of many other implementations anyway | 02:37 |
| rm_you | Gizmo Project works between n800 and WINDOWS pcs >_> | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | everyone got distracted implementing google talk and not real jingle | 02:38 |
| Luria | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11090 | 02:38 |
| lcuk_2 | but google is the gods | 02:38 |
| lcuk_2 | speaking of which will android work on them? | 02:39 |
| lcuk_2 | (them=n8x0 | 02:39 |
| Luria | quote:The problem is that (suprisingly) the N800/OS2007 seems to be the only Jabber/XMPP client on the planet to have jingle-video support. Even Google's own gTalk PC client doesn't even have it, and they basically authored the jingle-audio, jingle-video specs! I guess if you look at it, Nokia is just way ahead of the curve, not that it helps | 02:39 |
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| zetheroo | so how can I chat with Yahoo or MSN? | 02:40 |
| Luria | update that to os2008, and that's the problem | 02:40 |
| Luria | zetheroo, pidigin or the new rtcomm beta | 02:40 |
| jeff1f | jablet! | 02:40 |
| Luria | pidgin | 02:40 |
| zetheroo | which is best? | 02:40 |
| zetheroo | I use pidgin in Ubuntu | 02:40 |
| zetheroo | and I like it | 02:40 |
| Luria | or gaim, or a transport server, like jablet | 02:40 |
| zetheroo | but there is no video | 02:41 |
| Luria | i like the new rtcomm stack | 02:41 |
| Luria | because its smaller, less to run, less hard disk space | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | Luria: google didn't basically author jingle, they authored gtalk. I authored the jingle video support... :P | 02:41 |
| Luria | note the "quote:" | 02:42 |
| Luria | from the thread; not my words | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | maybe I should join itt. it might get depressing though. but yes, it's kinda bad that google never actually followed on with jingle implementation stuff :/ | 02:42 |
| zetheroo | how to install pidgin? | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | we're really happy with the new rtcomm stuff now you can use msn/yahoo on it | 02:43 |
| tbbq | running irc from built in IM now,really exited | 02:43 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: go to http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ and follow the instructions there, you can add MSN and Yahoo to the built in IM client | 02:43 |
| Luria | zetheroo, i think thats the best method | 02:44 |
| legind | Robot101, at least gizmo has video support | 02:44 |
| zetheroo | Robot101: what is the built-in IM client called? | 02:44 |
| Luria | i just removed pidigin las night | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: "Chat", "Internet call", "Contacts"... :) | 02:44 |
| Luria | legind, um, so does rtcomm | 02:44 |
| zetheroo | legind: gizmo? video support? from N800 to PC? | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: it's based on Telepathy real-time communications framework http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/ | 02:44 |
| legind | Luria, haven't tried it yet | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | legind: you can video call using SIP on the built-in client, as well as jingle | 02:45 |
| |tbb| | is it just for me or does the IM eats much cpu, as showed in statusbar applet | 02:45 |
| legind | Robot101, ah very cool | 02:45 |
| Luria | rtcomm has always had v+v for jingle and sip since last fall | 02:45 |
| Robot101 | jingle video for a year now | 02:45 |
| |tbb| | top says 93-99 % | 02:45 |
| Robot101 | |tbb|: can you see which program is doing it? run ps in the console and look at the CPU %s? | 02:46 |
| |tbb| | telepathy-gabbl | 02:46 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: yes, Gizmo does video from n800 -> PC | 02:46 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: i said that earlier :P | 02:46 |
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| Robot101 | |tbb|: oh dear... :( | 02:46 |
| zetheroo | Robot101: that link looks great.... where do I start.. heh? | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | |tbb|: are you using jabber or google talk? | 02:47 |
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| |tbb| | yes also | 02:47 |
| |tbb| | gtalk | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: the thing about the built-in client is that it's built in, you don't need to install it. you just asked what it's called. :P | 02:47 |
| zetheroo | Robot101: I maen before that .. the link you sent me about adding MSN and Yahoo | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org thing has instructions, a link to click on the N800 to start the install | 02:48 |
| Luria | i have 0 cpu, 11mb for messagebus | 02:48 |
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| zetheroo | Robot101: do I need to have the nokia plugged in? | 02:49 |
| |tbb| | i had disabled googletalk account still the same, will trying a reboot | 02:49 |
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| zetheroo | I need MSN, Yahoo and IRC chat | 02:50 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: the instructions on the page. go to them. read them. do what it says. you need to run the application installed then do something, then click the magic link from the browser on the device itself... | 02:50 |
| CrashandDie | lolz | 02:50 |
| Luria | yeah, forgot about the installer icon | 02:51 |
| Luria | was driving me nuts | 02:52 |
| zetheroo | Robot101: is thsi going to give me IRC, yahoo and msn? | 02:52 |
| Luria | can the installer be safely removed? | 02:52 |
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| Luria | zetheroo, yes | 02:52 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: yes | 02:52 |
| Luria | but id stick with xchat for irc | 02:52 |
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| zetheroo | can I also undo everything I do here? | 02:52 |
| lcuk_2 | you can reflash anytime and get back to this exact spot | 02:53 |
| zetheroo | Luria: so maybe I should just go with Pidgin and do everythign through it | 02:53 |
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| lcuk | pup better than fudging | 02:57 |
| Luria | i understand, as i have one (770) too, but again, irc is a fairly advanced concept given most computer users | 02:58 |
| Luria | enough that if you need irc, you know how to flash HE | 02:58 |
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| lcuk | signing out guys, cyas | 02:59 |
| czr | Luria, anything is fairly advanced given most computer users ;-) | 03:00 |
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| pupnik | Luria: good points. I have flashed 2007he but most of my ports need testing on 2006 | 03:01 |
| Luria | i cant imagine that support for 06 will last much longer | 03:01 |
| Luria | even amongst the community | 03:02 |
| Luria | perhaps especially so | 03:02 |
| Luria | sure, there will be forks, but the price of a n800 is so low that i suspect most enthusiasts will jump | 03:03 |
| czr | there'll be a lot of old 770s lying around | 03:03 |
| rm_you | portable web servers you can shove somewhere like the ceiling in random buildings? :P | 03:04 |
| czr | I'm thinking of animated picture frames that you can update over the wlan | 03:04 |
| czr | with sound | 03:04 |
| |tbb| | rm_you i was often think about that | 03:04 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:05 |
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| zetheroo | well I installed pidgin..,. for a newbie it was much easier than the other thing.... | 03:09 |
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| Luria | huzzah, openvpn works | 03:09 |
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| Luria | now i have to try and break it | 03:09 |
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| zetheroo | is it just me ??? or is there a plastic lining on the screen? | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is. | 03:13 |
| Luria | no there is a "screen protector" | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a factory screen protector | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd leave it on. | 03:13 |
| zetheroo | oh ok | 03:14 |
| zetheroo | is it possible to take it off? | 03:14 |
| Luria | i'd leave it on as long as it takes you to buy a real one | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it protects your screen | 03:14 |
| Robot101 | eh? | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | from evil scratches and the like. :) | 03:14 |
| Robot101 | it scratches and glares like a bitch | 03:14 |
| Luria | its good for 2 weeks tops | 03:14 |
| czr | only good scratches get through | 03:14 |
| Robot101 | you won't be able to see anything after a matter of days | 03:14 |
| Robot101 | rip it off | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grab yourself an anti-glare protector from boxwave.com | 03:14 |
| Robot101 | the real screen's fine | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | wait for that to arrive before you take it off. | 03:15 |
| Robot101 | if you keep it in the sock and don't tumble dry it with your car keys or something :P | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101: I beg to differ, I used the factory protector for 6 MONTHS. :) | 03:15 |
| zetheroo | is it possible to get the remove the Get Started and other large icon off the display? | 03:15 |
| zetheroo | and there is this other sticker on the LCD protector thats really not coming off | 03:17 |
| zetheroo | I am afraid to break the screen if I am to rough | 03:17 |
| Luria | n800 is pretty sturdy | 03:18 |
| Luria | its had a number of meeting with manhattan concrete | 03:18 |
| Luria | a bit dented at the speakers, but it hasnt left my side since june | 03:19 |
| zetheroo | awww. ... why the heck do they put a sticker there that will leave a silvery mess when taken off? | 03:19 |
| Robot101 | zetheroo: because you're meant to take it off :P | 03:19 |
| Luria | cause the bible tells you so | 03:20 |
| Luria | ok, on to openvpn routing | 03:20 |
| zetheroo | ha | 03:20 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: how did you get the protector clean? | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | My sticker came right off. | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either blot at it with the sticker | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | get yourself some Rosonol to rub it off with | 03:21 |
| zetheroo | no silvery rubbish? | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | or take the whole protector off. | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 03:21 |
| Robot101 | it has a little silvery tab as a message to you: remove the whole thing :P | 03:22 |
| zetheroo | what about some alcohol? | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | if that helps you muster the courage, go for it | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might work | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't use much, though | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will probably just cloud the protector. | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | #maemo encourages responsible drinking | 03:23 |
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| zetheroo | ha | 03:24 |
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| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: you were talking about a long-term solution to protecting the screen? | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | boxwave.com | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | anti-glare | 03:30 |
| zetheroo | oh.. thats not a screen protector? | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is | 03:31 |
| zetheroo | Robot101: how do I get the square icons on the screen to go away? | 03:31 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: oh ok | 03:31 |
| Robot101 | which ones? | 03:32 |
| Robot101 | on the home view? | 03:32 |
| Robot101 | or down the side? | 03:32 |
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| zetheroo | Robot101: the Getting started and other big icon on the display | 03:35 |
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| Robot101 | click home, then select applets? | 03:35 |
| sven-tek | does anyone know how canola can be configured to show cover-images? | 03:39 |
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| sven-tek | hmm, just downloaded albumcover.py , but it doesnt run properly | 04:02 |
| * sven-tek gets some sleep bye | 04:02 | |
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| |tbb| | i like the screenshot part http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 | 04:03 |
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| KaKaRoTo | |tbb|, kik | 04:07 |
| KaKaRoTo | s/kik/lol/ | 04:07 |
| infobot | KaKaRoTo meant: |tbb|, lol | 04:07 |
| KaKaRoTo | infobot, thx :p | 04:07 |
| |tbb| | heh | 04:08 |
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| nwidger | is there a channel specifically for the modest mail client? | 04:09 |
| lcuk | hey guys | 04:10 |
| lcuk | can any linux gods tell me how why i cant edit the file | 04:11 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 | 04:11 |
| lcuk | is it cos i neeed root | 04:11 |
| |tbb| | hey dragorn, having 3,5h running kismet without stopping gathering packages, is it os releated or just because its n810? | 04:12 |
| nwidger | how can i find out my ip address on the n810? ifconfig isnt installed | 04:16 |
| |tbb| | as root running ifconfig | 04:17 |
| nwidger | how do i become root | 04:17 |
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| nwidger | |tbb|: how do i become root? | 04:18 |
| |tbb| | add this catlog to your repository http://eko.one.pl/maemo | 04:19 |
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| nwidger | |tbb|: okay, then what? | 04:20 |
| |tbb| | bora user | 04:20 |
| nwidger | becomeroot? | 04:20 |
| nwidger | is that what i want | 04:20 |
| |tbb| | then install becomeroot | 04:20 |
| nwidger | gotcha | 04:20 |
| nwidger | okay id heard of this, didnt know where to get it | 04:21 |
| nwidger | thanks :) | 04:21 |
| |tbb| | for further applications go gronmayer.de/it | 04:22 |
| lcuk | how do you stop bein root? | 04:22 |
| |tbb| | exit | 04:22 |
| lcuk | so its for the duration of the termsession? | 04:23 |
| nwidger | |tbb|: how many of those repositories are "safe" to use? | 04:24 |
| |tbb| | yeah i guess so if you not started any other application as root user | 04:24 |
| nwidger | |tbb|: but i mean adding them wont screw up dependancies and stuff | 04:25 |
| nwidger | make me have to flash the stupid thing again | 04:25 |
| |tbb| | if u dont needed just deactivate it | 04:25 |
| nwidger | k | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | so i can becomeroot, try to edit the file i think i need root for, then closeterm and i will be back to standard user | 04:26 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i fear that that nokia just got one-upped by a mid... | 04:26 |
| lcuk | mid? | 04:26 |
| nwidger | |tbb|: so i installed becomeroot but i cant run it, it says command not found | 04:26 |
| |tbb| | lcuk, thats right | 04:26 |
| lcuk | good, thanx for the info | 04:27 |
| |tbb| | sudo gainroot | 04:27 |
| nwidger | ah okay | 04:27 |
| nwidger | thanks :) | 04:27 |
| * lcuk wont be nervous to try this tomorrow | 04:28 | |
| t_s_o | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/digifriends-mid.html?cid=96247002 <- just take a look at that keyboard ;) | 04:28 |
| |tbb| | np, gotta go now. internettablettalk.com/forums is a good point to get infos around nxxx | 04:29 |
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| lcuk | tso that wont be even close to price of nokia but holy shit it looks good | 04:32 |
| t_s_o | yes, price is the real question right now... | 04:32 |
| lcuk | its gonna be at least as much as an oqo... | 04:32 |
| t_s_o | well its supposed to run linux so... | 04:32 |
| lcuk | maybe more | 04:32 |
| |tbb| | http://www.pocketables.net/2007/12/e-lead-electron.html two weeks ago i was thinking about an input technology like this, two weeks later its going to public ,heh | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, but it's gonna cost a fortune. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No battery life, either. | 04:35 |
| lcuk | dont knock it, the spec have been scaled down, the battery pack actually weights 7kg ;) | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | An even better question: what does it run? | 04:36 |
| lcuk | xp vista linux | 04:36 |
| lcuk | its a strange distro | 04:36 |
| lcuk | lol | 04:36 |
| |tbb| | mylo 2 a competitor of n810 | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not with it's OS. | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, its* | 04:38 |
| |tbb| | but for most ppl who arent familar with linux its defintly a competitor | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | 800*480 at the iPhone's screensize is kinda insane. | 04:40 |
| lcuk | gen, you on bout the 8x0? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | What? | 04:42 |
| lcuk | screen | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mylo 2 | 04:44 |
| lcuk | ahh | 04:44 |
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| lcuk | didnt thikn there ws much diff in size between 8x0 and iphone apart frfom res | 04:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | iPhone is much smaller | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.5" screen | 04:47 |
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| zetheroo | hey why is it that skype doesn't go to the notification area ? | 04:47 |
| lcuk | just noticed and also read up on mylo | 04:49 |
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| zetheroo | anyone? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Skype is proprietary and crappy. | 04:54 |
| zetheroo | another question: is it possible to transfer data over USB? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want something better, and aren't tied to Skype. Gizmo is the way to go. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just plug it in. | 04:54 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: but with Gizmo doesn't everyone else need to have gizmo too? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only for IM | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not for calling | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as Skype. | 04:55 |
| lcuk | zeth try puttin bug report in its nokia supported cos its preinstalled | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can use the built-in client, too. | 04:56 |
| zetheroo | well for everything from calling to im... just not if you call to a regular phone | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo does everything Skype does (well, everything + video, which Skype doesn't do), except they use open protocols. | 04:56 |
| lcuk | skype should do video tho | 04:57 |
| lcuk | it does on desktop... | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't on maemo | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo does, though. | 04:58 |
| zetheroo | ok... but for me to call someone on their PC with Gizmo... he or she has to have Gizmo as well.... right? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from adoption numbers, Gizmo is pretty much better than Skype in every way possible. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 04:58 |
| nwidger | but skype will add video support soon, im sure | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | or you could pay for out credits and call their phone | 04:58 |
| lcuk | nw i agree they should align | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as they'd have to have Skype for you to call them with Skype. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, maybe, nwidger, but Gizmo has it NOW. | 04:59 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: I need something for internet calling with video.... | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo | 04:59 |
| lcuk | does it connect to ppl with skype at the other end or do they ned gizmo? | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, they either need a phone or Gizmo. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just like Skype. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Skype uses proprietary stuff, so only Skype can talk to Skype | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | They could use another Jabber client to logon to their Gizmo account for IM | 05:02 |
| lcuk | right, so skype need to pull their arses out and get video on here workin - i know its good to havee openness but i cant get all current skype ppl toinstall and change ttheir setup just for me | 05:03 |
| Luria | yes! opevpn and n800 with route is finally working | 05:03 |
| Luria | now to generate more keys | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | does skype on full linux have video does anyone know? | 05:04 |
| lcuk | ie x86 | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not on maemo | 05:04 |
| lcuk | so it may just need the skype devs and some maemo hackers gettin together to do some portin to the dsp | 05:05 |
| shacka1 | yes, for reasonably large values of "just" | 05:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 05:06 |
| nwidger | but gizmo on ubuntu doesnt have video support :( | 05:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 05:07 |
| lcuk | do any of the other arm phones have skype video? | 05:07 |
| lcuk | maybe the port is already done it just needs gluing | 05:08 |
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| lcuk | oh poo, ive gotta sleep | 05:08 |
| lcuk | gnite | 05:09 |
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| K`zan | I've got a largish pile of updates the want libillumination0 but apparent;y it is missing. Not sure what is going on, but could it be that I need to change all repositories back to "respoitory"? | 05:30 |
| K`zan | [+"i"] ? | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | stage.maemo.org is no longer public | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and repository.maemo.org is working fine. | 05:31 |
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| K`zan | OK, so I can go change everything back, thanks much! | 05:35 |
| K`zan | Perhaps even ssh will finally update! | 05:35 |
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| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: hey ... I installed gizmo....and tried to call a friend who uses Gizmo on his PC ... and I could hear him but he could not hear me | 05:37 |
| K`zan | zetheroo: Same problem under kubuntu... | 05:37 |
| K`zan | Works *fine* on the n800 tough. | 05:38 |
| K`zan | though. | 05:38 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: also I cannot find any video options in gizmo | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo: sounds like a firewall issue. | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think you just have to open up the camera | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't use it myself | 05:40 |
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| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: what should I do about the sound? | 05:40 |
| halley | http://halley.cc/screenshot11.png - http://halley.cc/screenshot12.png - pygame work in progress | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google it | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a NAT issue | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't remember the fix | 05:41 |
| zetheroo | fix for the PC or the N800? | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a NAT issue | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | at somebody's router. | 05:42 |
| halley | zetheroo, if it's networked teleconference stuff, it's fixes for the NAT (the router). | 05:42 |
| Merlinus | hi. any astronomy soft for n800? | 05:42 |
| zetheroo | halley: what shoudl I tell my friend to do? | 05:43 |
| halley | You've already been told to google for a solution. | 05:43 |
| halley | Recipient router must expect certain ports and forward them to the right node on their network. | 05:43 |
| halley | "How can I teleconference behind a NAT router?" | 05:44 |
| zetheroo | one thing I do not like about the N800 is that the back panel is very flimsy | 05:46 |
| shacka1 | halley: WOW, I've been looking for a flashcard game for ages :D | 05:46 |
| dragorn | halley: Graphics look really smooth | 05:46 |
| dragorn | halley: cairo? | 05:46 |
| halley | shacka1, thanks, still working on it... it'll be a while before the first five areas are playable for a 1.0 release. | 05:47 |
| shacka1 | halley: it's on the emulator or on the device? (because I don't have any of the sidebar or traybar icons on the emulator) | 05:47 |
| halley | shacka1, running on the device, plain old honest screenshot. | 05:48 |
| shacka1 | halley: any chance it will do chinese one day? :) | 05:48 |
| halley | dragorn, no, plain old pygame without any third-party libraries, not even the sprite class. | 05:48 |
| halley | It's a bit slow (8fps) on the device, but wicked on the PC. | 05:49 |
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| halley | http://halley.cc/screenshot07.png | 05:50 |
| shacka1 | zomg | 05:50 |
| shacka1 | anyway, no chinese? | 05:50 |
| halley | No plans for it, but you're welcome to build that out later. :) | 05:51 |
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| halley | I'll be releasing all sources at the 1.0. | 05:51 |
| shacka1 | halley: heh, if I knew chinese already I wouldn't be looking for learning software :) | 05:51 |
| zetheroo | halley: I tried googling it.. and I am not finding anything presice | 05:52 |
| shacka1 | halley: anyway, great job | 05:53 |
| halley | Thanks. | 05:54 |
| K`zan | Nope, changed all the repostories back to respository and the stuff needing libillunimation0 still claim the package is missing. Am I missing a repo for that?!? | 05:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | scratchbox or device, K`zan? | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not mentioned on gronmayer | 05:55 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Device Sir! | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, then. | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google turn it up? | 05:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What are you trying to install? | 05:56 |
| rm_you | Merlinus: I may start work on some in the next months | 05:56 |
| rm_you | as I am going to be taking an astronomy class, and it will probably be useful for studying :) | 05:57 |
| K`zan | "unable to update diskusage: Application packages missing: libillumination0(<0.1.20071224-1) - listed twice... | 05:57 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: Trying to update diskusage. | 05:57 |
| Merlinus | great rm_you ! | 05:57 |
| K`zan | And a raft of others. | 05:57 |
| elb | halley: haha, nice title on the cling pad | 05:57 |
| halley | elb, arigatou | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 05:59 |
| K`zan | findmine, libillumination0 itself and wifiinfo - all want it. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a deprecated maemo package? | 06:00 |
| blast007 | I see "libillumination0" on gronmayer.com/it/ | 06:00 |
| blast007 | for both OS2008 and OS2007 | 06:00 |
| K`zan | How can a current package have depreciated dependancies and still want to update :-(?!? | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, blast007 | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do too | 06:00 |
| K`zan | blast007: Checking | 06:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to learn how to type. | 06:00 | |
| blast007 | ;) | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, blast007! | 06:00 |
| * blast007 just copied and pasted ;) | 06:01 | |
| K`zan | LOL, GeneralAntilles accurate typeing if forbiden by charter on irc :) | 06:01 |
| Luria | oh yeah, whats with libillumination? | 06:01 |
| K`zan | No idea, other than several packages want it to be able to update. | 06:01 |
| Luria | ive had problems with it for about 3-4 days | 06:01 |
| K`zan | openssh is also got a missing openssh-common.... | 06:02 |
| K`zan | probably server too. | 06:02 |
| Luria | i had that problem, but it eventually worked | 06:02 |
| K`zan | Luria: Same here, was patient and then asked :). | 06:02 |
| Luria | no one knew what i was talking about | 06:03 |
| K`zan | Noticed that the installs and updates both seem to have that problem reasonably often here. Sometimes fine and then they seem to get stuck erroring out. | 06:03 |
| dragorn | I wouldn't apply updates to base packages | 06:03 |
| dragorn | halley: I was hoping you were using cairo because I'm looking to optimize some complex drawing ops, but it seems like you're seeing performance issues too :P | 06:04 |
| K`zan | dragorn: I have NO idea what it is safe to update anymore, to be honest. | 06:04 |
| dragorn | K`zan: generally if I didn't install it myself, I don't update it | 06:05 |
| halley | dragorn, I haven't tried cairo, to be honest. | 06:05 |
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| K`zan | dragorn: I have no idea how many dependancies are dragged in with what. Everything installed here I have installed myself... | 06:05 |
| halley | dragorn, I try hard to minimize dependencies to remain super-cross-platform. | 06:05 |
| dragorn | halley: cairo is slick. I'm just abusing it heavily. | 06:05 |
| dragorn | halley: yeah. Cairo is pretty crossplatform now, it's the gtk 2d engine for the base widget graphics | 06:06 |
| K`zan | I think I am just going to delete all the repositories and go get all of them from gronmyer... | 06:06 |
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| halley | Even "gtk" is something I don't want to bundle or depend on. I want a simple py2exe for win-users when I'm done. | 06:06 |
| dragorn | halley: fair enough | 06:07 |
| Luria | ooh. tired | 06:07 |
| Luria | i should sleep or beat portal again. | 06:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | K`zan, red pill is off, right? | 06:07 |
| dragorn | halley: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/spectool-gtk-dev.jpg and http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg for examples of what I'm doing. I suppose it's a bit much to ask the poor thing to do a lot of alpha blending. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | powervr. :( | 06:08 |
| dragorn | halley: of course os2008-final broke usb host and now it kernel panics enumerating the device | 06:08 |
| halley | dragorn, heh, yes. And python's not good for messing with surfarray either. I do the bare minimum. | 06:08 |
| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: no kidding, if we could use that to accelerate the 2d ops I'd be super happy | 06:08 |
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| halley | It's fine except on the ARM platform, that is. | 06:08 |
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| dragorn | halley: actually most of the cairo docs use python as their example language :) | 06:08 |
| halley | dragorn, when you're on the ARM, you have no psyco to help out. | 06:09 |
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| dragorn | halley: Not sure what psyco is | 06:09 |
| halley | python JIT for intel | 06:09 |
| dragorn | ah | 06:09 |
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| dragorn | yes. lacking a jit would make things suck. | 06:10 |
| dragorn | my code is all in C, python was a dep I wasn't willing to have | 06:11 |
| K`zan | absolutely brilliant, small black letters on dark grey, brilliant! | 06:11 |
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| K`zan | Well, that was stupid, sigh. malformed line in sources list for god knows how many of those repos I just added. Time to walk away from this for a while before I use the n800 for a hammer... | 06:16 |
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| zetheroo | in Gizmo it says I can add MSN and Yahoo people..... but when I do it nothing happens | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off using the built-in client. | 06:37 |
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| zetheroo | I think this video conferencing feature is a bit over-rated since its such an underdeveloped thing.... | 06:45 |
| zetheroo | basically at this point its pretty useless | 06:45 |
| zetheroo | Even Gizmo will only perform video chat with a Windows PC | 06:46 |
| zetheroo | so its very narrowed down | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, and OS X | 06:46 |
| zetheroo | great | 06:46 |
| zetheroo | and OS X | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which makes up most of the computers on the planet. | 06:46 |
| zetheroo | thing is that this being a Linux product you would expect it to work 1st of all with Linux machines | 06:46 |
| zetheroo | but again it does not | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, give it a month | 06:47 |
| zetheroo | and thats a blow-it | 06:47 |
| zetheroo | you think? | 06:47 |
| zetheroo | I suppose you could be right.. | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just hit beta on Windows and OS X | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So of course it's coming to Linux | 06:48 |
| zetheroo | again.. just like with Skype, Gizmo fails to position itself in the notification area | 06:48 |
| zetheroo | yeah... but what we really need is Skype Video .... there is no way I am going to get all my clients and contacts to change to Gizmo just like that... | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're doing it incorrectly. | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to set up Gizmo's SIP and Jabber with the built-in client. | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you'll be set. | 06:53 |
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| White_Flame | So I'm starting to try programming this thing, and there's just so much to go through. | 06:58 |
| White_Flame | I picked a random game, Battle Gweled, and pulled it into my scratchbox, but I don't have libsdl-net in there. How do I get it in? | 06:58 |
| White_Flame | standard source download and ./configure && make in scratchbox? apt won't see it | 06:59 |
| White_Flame | though it is installed on my n800 | 06:59 |
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| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: but not set with other Linux PC's | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was talking about notifications. | 07:16 |
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| zetheroo | can I change the backgrond image on the screen? | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The home screen on the boot screen? | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | *or | 07:23 |
| zetheroo | home | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go to Home | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | tap the menu | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo, you just get your device? | 07:24 |
| zetheroo | yes | 07:24 |
| zetheroo | today | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Congrats | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you installed FBReader or maemo mapper yet? | 07:25 |
| zetheroo | nothing except OS2008, Gizmo, Skype and Pidgin | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do so, they're awesome. | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader seriously turns these things into the greatest ebook readers on the planet. | 07:26 |
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| zetheroo | are they easy to install? | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | scummvm, Battle Gweled, maemodrac, MaemoSweeper, and LXDoom are good if you're into games. | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is in Extras | 07:28 |
| zetheroo | no.. its for work mainly | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You familiar with gronmayer.com/it ? | 07:28 |
| zetheroo | no | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gronmayer.com/it/ | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a listing off all the maemo repos | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want the ones for OS2008 of course. | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper depends on something that's in Bora extras, so be sure to install that. | 07:28 |
| zetheroo | I am getting mapper | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper does GPS (and offline/GPS-less) with OpenStreet, Google, and/or VirtualEarth maps. | 07:29 |
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| White_Flame | how do you put standard gnu tar, et al, on the device? With apt, it wants to uninstall busybox and then EVERYTHING else if you dare to try | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have an mpd server running? | 07:29 |
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| zetheroo | me? | 07:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check out mmpc | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an mpd client you can use to control music playback on another machine with. | 07:32 |
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| tlacuache | is this room appropriate for general os2008 questions? | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shoot. | 07:36 |
| tlacuache | when I input things via the on-screen keyboard, i've noticed that it "learns" certain words that I've typed in so it can suggest them to me in the future. things like domain names, usernames, etc... | 07:37 |
| tlacuache | is there a way to clear this list? | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, individually, you can highlight the word and tap-n-hold it to remove | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you can clear the dictionary in Control Panel, though. | 07:38 |
| tlacuache | actually, the tap and hold things exactly what i wanted. don't know why i didn't think of that. | 07:39 |
| tlacuache | thanks a lot! | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't find out about it until October last year | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been on maemo since 2005. ;) | 07:39 |
| tlacuache | yeah, like half of the posts at internettablettalk are yours. | 07:39 |
| tlacuache | :) | 07:39 |
| rm_you | lol, truth :P hey GeneralAntilles | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, texrat EASILY outposts me. | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Among others. | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, rm_you. | 07:40 |
| rm_you | half the ones *I* see are yours, anyhow :P | 07:40 |
| rm_you | or mine, but i only read like three threads :/ | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITT is infuriating and addicting. | 07:41 |
| rm_you | heh | 07:41 |
| tlacuache | hey, i guess while I'm here, one more thing: is there any downside to extending the device's virtual memory to the internal memory card via the control panel? does it affect battery life or anything like that? i just got an 8gb sdhc card for the removable slot and thought i might as well use the internal one for something... | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it really only helps. | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speeds things up just a touch in high-memory situations and helps prevent out-of-memory crashes in really high-memory situations. | 07:42 |
| tlacuache | k, that's what I figured. thanks. i'm just getting into this maemo/os2008/n800 scene for the first time. really loving it. :) | 07:42 |
| rm_you | erm, well... it can eat flash memory fairly quickly with the number of writes performed | 07:42 |
| tlacuache | yeah | 07:42 |
| tlacuache | well, a 128 meg card is cheap, eh? | 07:42 |
| tlacuache | :) | 07:42 |
| rm_you | yes | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, rm_you, it's not that swappy. | 07:43 |
| rm_you | if thats what you're running internally | 07:43 |
| rm_you | well, with the Zaurus it would kill an SD card in a month or two :P | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't worn out any cards so far. | 07:43 |
| rm_you | so i've been afraid of doing that with my n800 | 07:43 |
| rm_you | i'm using both 4g cards | 07:43 |
| rm_you | not as cheap :/ | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been using swap since I bought it | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | no troubles | 07:43 |
| rm_you | how long is that? :P | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | and on the 770 before that. | 07:44 |
| rm_you | same card? | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, year-ish with the 770 since they added swap. | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since January with the same 1gb on the N800 | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just swapped it for an 8GB | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, though, maemo isn't very swappy | 07:45 |
| rm_you | hrm, I may try it then | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it really only starts hitting the flash when it needs to. | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, heck, if you burn it out by this time next year, 16GB cards'll be cheaper than 4GB cards now. ;) | 07:45 |
| rm_you | heh, true | 07:46 |
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| tlacuache | well, i'm going to run. thanks for the tips. like I said, i'm loving the n800. i dumped my P.O.S. dell axim for this and it's like my hands are finally untied. :) being a software engineer and a linux user for the last 5 years or so, this thing is a dream. | 07:49 |
| tlacuache | thanks again! | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. | 07:50 |
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| Xxaxx | hello :) | 08:08 |
| Xxaxx | I've a problem with mplayer. mplayer plaing mp4 VERY slowly (low resolution) | 08:09 |
| Xxaxx | OS2008/N800 | 08:09 |
| rm_you | what codec is the mp4 encoded with? | 08:10 |
| rm_you | h264/x264? | 08:10 |
| Xxaxx | video format=mp4v | 08:12 |
| Xxaxx | selected video codec = ffodivx | 08:13 |
| Xxaxx | any file from break.com | 08:15 |
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| [pablo] | can someone put the /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix file from os2008 up somewhere so i can grab it? | 08:19 |
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| Xxaxx | [pablo]: www.you-ra.info/Phoenix | 08:28 |
| [pablo] | thanks | 08:29 |
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| White_Flame | I don't have Phoenix as a home city in my OS2008. How do I get that in there? I wget'd that file and put it in /usr/share/zoneinfo/America | 08:31 |
| White_Flame | seeing as Arizona has its own timezone half the year | 08:31 |
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| [pablo] | it's already there | 08:32 |
| zetheroo | how do I get mapper working? | 08:33 |
| [pablo] | just need to symlink it to /etc/localtime | 08:33 |
| zetheroo | I don't have GPS | 08:33 |
| [pablo] | i symlinked backwards, woops heh | 08:33 |
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| zetheroo | anyone | 08:33 |
| White_Flame | [pablo]: does the GUI stuff have its own database of cities then? | 08:34 |
| [pablo] | the nokia mapper app is almost useless *with* the gps, i can't imagine it does much without it | 08:34 |
| [pablo] | White_Flame: it appears so yes | 08:35 |
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| [pablo] | i symlinked it to Phoenix, and am using ntp to set the time, the gui still doesn't recognize it, but ntp will keep the time accurate | 08:36 |
| White_Flame | this is looking more and more like OSX, where the front-end and *nix backend are completely different systems | 08:36 |
| White_Flame | the file browser not being able to access the full filesystem, etc | 08:37 |
| [pablo] | i've only noticed an issue with the time system | 08:37 |
| [pablo] | well the file manager is more of a 'don't mess with files you didn't put there' approach | 08:39 |
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| [pablo] | if you know enough to need to get to those files then you know how to get to them | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo go to the menu | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | go to the maps option | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go to map repositories | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | hit download | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo: I've got it mostly covered on page 1 here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958 | 08:47 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: but these maps will not be available to me once Iam no longer online... right? | 08:47 |
| zetheroo | Do you have to have a Nokia GPS reciever?.... or will just about any BT GPS reciever work? | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia ones suck | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get an i-blue | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a 737, it works great | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper caches the maps | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I cover that in the link above | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Downloads them to a db so you can use it offline. | 08:49 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: so once I view the map once its downloaded and I can refer to them when offlne? | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a downloading feature so you can cache large areas over several zoom levels. | 08:50 |
| mbuf | can we do USB communication between qemu and host PC for Maemo? | 08:51 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: do you have to tell it to download each map you are viewing?... or is it all automatically doing it? | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's automatically doing it if you are seeing them. | 08:53 |
| zetheroo | is there a way to just download an area of maps?... like if I wanted Sydney, Australia.... | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at the link I gave you. :) | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or check out maemo mapper's built-in help. | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty extensive. | 08:55 |
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| zetheroo | ok.... I was viewing Google Street maps and was at about 13 zoom .. then I went into Manage Maps and selected all the zooms I wanted and pressed OK... and now it seems to be frozen | 09:01 |
| zetheroo | did I do something wrong? | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many megabytes are you downloading? | 09:01 |
| zetheroo | 3.8 | 09:01 |
| zetheroo | I think.... | 09:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anything below zoom level 2? | 09:01 |
| zetheroo | no | 09:02 |
| zetheroo | 4-13 | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's frozen-frozen, it'll tell you | 09:02 |
| zetheroo | ok | 09:03 |
| zetheroo | now it says processing maps | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the downloading taking place. | 09:03 |
| zetheroo | oh ok | 09:04 |
| zetheroo | takes a loooong time huh | 09:04 |
| zetheroo | how long will it take? | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google seems to throttle the longer downloads. | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't be too long | 09:05 |
| zetheroo | so did I do it the best wya? | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | your connection may influence it. | 09:05 |
| zetheroo | way? | 09:05 |
| rm_you | Can someone take a look at this dmesg output and tell me why they think my USB flash drive isn't working with USB Host on my n800? :P | 09:05 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/846351 | 09:05 |
| zetheroo | my connection is pretty fast | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 20-30MB chunks is how I do it. | 09:05 |
| zetheroo | can I cancel this? | 09:05 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: not easily :/ | 09:05 |
| zetheroo | argh | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just close mm | 09:06 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: i just leave mine overnight for the ~500mb downloads | 09:06 |
| rm_you | works fine | 09:06 |
| zetheroo | I can't even do anything else on this thing with mapper open | 09:06 |
| zetheroo | but I am only downloading 3.8 | 09:06 |
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| rm_you | 3.8 mb? | 09:06 |
| zetheroo | I think so | 09:06 |
| rm_you | that should take like 3-4 minutes on a BAD connection... under 30 seconds on a decent one :/ | 09:07 |
| zetheroo | maybe it was like 38mb | 09:07 |
| zetheroo | I don't remember | 09:07 |
| rm_you | 38 mb isn't bad | 09:07 |
| rm_you | just leave it | 09:07 |
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| zetheroo | the progress bar has not moved a bit | 09:07 |
| rm_you | :/ | 09:07 |
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| zetheroo | how big would it be for a whole city? | 09:08 |
| zetheroo | and zoom from 4-13 | 09:08 |
| zetheroo | ? | 09:08 |
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| rm_you | errrr | 09:08 |
| rm_you | depends very much on the size of the city | 09:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:09 |
| zetheroo | ok | 09:09 |
| zetheroo | I just close mapper | 09:09 |
| tank-man | 38MiB sounds reasonable, will take a long time to dl | 09:09 |
| rm_you | i would leave it open | 09:09 |
| rm_you | and just let it go | 09:09 |
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| tank-man | i picked zoom 1-10 before and it was a couple gigabytes | 09:10 |
| rm_you | lol yeah zoom 1 is not a good idea :P | 09:10 |
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| zetheroo | ohhh... it says 3892.10 MB | 09:10 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 09:10 |
| zetheroo | thats almost 4 GB | 09:10 |
| rm_you | that's very different :P | 09:10 |
| rm_you | you may want to delete your maps file >_> lol | 09:10 |
| rm_you | though i guess you didn't let it run for too long | 09:10 |
| zetheroo | ok | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6-14 is better | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | check before you start a download, though. :P | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe 7 | 09:12 |
| zetheroo | is there a way to add more memory to the device from borowing some from an SD card? | 09:12 |
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| dragorn | control panel, virtual memory | 09:16 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: like for storing map files? | 09:20 |
| rm_you | zetheroo: if that's what you mean, then you can actually tell MaemoMapper to store the map file on the SD | 09:20 |
| rm_you | that's what i do | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change the storage location in the Map Repositories dialog to one of the mmcs | 09:20 |
| * qnr boots/has the OS on a 4Gb SDCard | 09:20 | |
| rm_you | no one is familiar with hostusb stuff i guess :/ | 09:21 |
| rm_you | i suppose i'll postpone this project to a later date | 09:21 |
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| zetheroo | rm_you: no I meant adding memory to the system | 09:30 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 09:30 |
| zetheroo | like so that I can run more apps at the same time | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Control Panel -> Memory | 09:31 |
| zetheroo | cool | 09:33 |
| zetheroo | cause I have a 4GB SDHC card in the internal slot | 09:34 |
| zetheroo | and another one for the external one | 09:34 |
| zetheroo | so any BT GPS reciever will work with this unit? | 09:34 |
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| rm_you | zetheroo: i use and love my iTrek | 09:37 |
| rm_you | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858702003 | 09:38 |
| zetheroo | I was looking on ebay and none of them are cheap | 09:38 |
| rm_you | gets a fix in like under 30 seconds cold. less than 10s not. | 09:38 |
| rm_you | and good battery life | 09:39 |
| rm_you | and chargable via standard usb :) | 09:39 |
| White_Flame | I was looking at ebay and saw a bunch of BT GPSes for <$35 | 09:39 |
| White_Flame | of course, you get what you pay for ;) | 09:39 |
| White_Flame | (also, I guess you're in .au... your continent may vary) | 09:41 |
| zetheroo | yeah | 09:41 |
| zetheroo | how many channels should one of these have? | 09:42 |
| dragorn | 12 is good | 09:44 |
| dragorn | more is better | 09:44 |
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| zetheroo | like there are some here for 60 bucks with 42 channels | 09:45 |
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| dragorn | hm. either we're talking different things or that's odd | 09:45 |
| dragorn | or I'm *way* behind | 09:45 |
| astro76 | you're behind ;) | 09:45 |
| zetheroo | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-42-channel-Bluetooth-GPS-RECEIVER-sat-nav-PDA-BLK_W0QQitemZ370011451432QQihZ024QQcategoryZ34288QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 09:46 |
| astro76 | modern mtk chipset does 32, and now I see there's one with 51 | 09:46 |
| astro76 | of course since there's never that many sats in teh sky... | 09:46 |
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| astro76 | zetheroo: that looks like a real pice of junk | 09:47 |
| zetheroo | yeah? | 09:47 |
| astro76 | http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get one of the i-blues | 09:47 |
| astro76 | most of these are excellent | 09:47 |
| astro76 | yeah i-blue or holux | 09:47 |
| zetheroo | but how much are they? | 09:47 |
| astro76 | MTK has much better battery life than sirf iii chipset | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | $50-ish USD | 09:47 |
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| zetheroo | this sounds like a good idea to me | 09:48 |
| zetheroo | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Silicone-Skin-Case-Cover-for-Nokia-N800-N-800-Black_W0QQitemZ150203248675QQihZ005QQcategoryZ59913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, bad idea. | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Destroys card access and kickstand | 09:49 |
| zetheroo | oh right | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the kickstand is the device's single greatest feature. | 09:49 |
| zetheroo | I want something to protect the body and screen | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bundled case is decent for protecting it while it's in your pocket. | 09:51 |
| zetheroo | yeah | 09:51 |
| zetheroo | can you install WINE on these things? | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an ARM CPU. <_< | 09:53 |
| zetheroo | ok..... something too hectic for my tiny brain | 09:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WINE doesn't do processor emulation | 09:54 |
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| dragorn | Wine doesn't emulate CPUs. The tablet isn't intel. No wine. | 09:54 |
| dragorn | you could do dosbox. i guess. it'd be stupid. | 09:54 |
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| melmoth | GRmblblbl, discount code are still not working here (france). | 09:55 |
| zetheroo | hmm | 09:58 |
| Luria | wait | 09:59 |
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| Luria | wine is not an emulator? | 09:59 |
| Luria | they should write that somewhere | 10:00 |
| dragorn | ugh. so, kismet works on 8x0, *but* i have to kill wlancond and restart it to make it do so. That's so horrible. | 10:00 |
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| jkyro | dosbox is available in extras I think | 10:02 |
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| zetheroo | what does dosbox do? | 10:04 |
| zetheroo | is it like WINE? | 10:04 |
| dragorn | emulates dos | 10:04 |
| dragorn | no | 10:04 |
| Luria | if it were like wine, it would be called dine. | 10:05 |
| * Luria is a bit loopy atm | 10:05 | |
| zetheroo | haha | 10:06 |
| zetheroo | there is an app in the installable apps list called camera... whats it for? | 10:08 |
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| Dasajev | taking pictures | 10:09 |
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| White_Flame | although even when you run the camera program and pop out the webcam, it still opens up the video chat thing | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an option. | 10:15 |
| White_Flame | whoa, camera just crashed out on me, back to the Nokia startup bar | 10:16 |
| zetheroo | hey for some reason when I eject the webcam nothign happens | 10:16 |
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| zetheroo | before something would open with the image playing | 10:18 |
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| unique311_ | Tak, pong neogeo | 10:19 |
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| unique311 | Tak: pong neogeo | 10:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
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| unique311 | hello | 10:50 |
| pupnik | sup peeps | 10:51 |
| unique311 | hellos | 10:54 |
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| Epeloon | Hi | 10:55 |
| unique311 | hellos | 10:56 |
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| Epeloon | is there a Latex compiler/editor application for n800? Thanks. | 10:56 |
| unique311 | you tried the usual google. | 10:57 |
| Epeloon | :), yes but i found only a post abour latex on 770 | 10:57 |
| Epeloon | but not sure which program it uses | 10:58 |
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| pupnik | unique311: are you identified with nickserv? | 11:06 |
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| unique311 | i got ur message | 11:08 |
| unique311 | messaged you back | 11:08 |
| unique311 | let me identify | 11:08 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:09 |
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| zetheroo | my webcam is not working anymore | 11:18 |
| zetheroo | I just got this thing today | 11:18 |
| zetheroo | and already something like this.... | 11:18 |
| zetheroo | when I pop it out nothing happens | 11:18 |
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| Cptnodegard | its useless anyhow | 11:19 |
| Cptnodegard | download the camera application and see if it works | 11:19 |
| zetheroo | how can this be happening....? | 11:19 |
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| guardian | morning | 11:23 |
| zetheroo | I installed camera and it works but not automatically | 11:23 |
| zetheroo | and then camera just closes sudenly | 11:24 |
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| zetheroo | gosh now everything just froze | 11:25 |
| zetheroo | what app is it that loads automatically when the camera is ejected? | 11:28 |
| trickie | the system video call app | 11:29 |
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| trickie | unless you have configured it not too | 11:29 |
| zetheroo | well... I don't remember telling it not to work | 11:29 |
| trickie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 | 11:30 |
| zetheroo | is there a way to check? | 11:30 |
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| trickie | i do not have a n8xx here, but i assume if you load the video call software and cehck the preferences | 11:30 |
| trickie | check | 11:30 |
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| trickie | there should be an option | 11:30 |
| zetheroo | video call software? | 11:31 |
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| zetheroo | I don't know of any such software | 11:32 |
| zetheroo | does anyone know how to enable the camera trigger? | 11:34 |
| zetheroo | its ok | 11:36 |
| zetheroo | I got it | 11:36 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:38 |
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| jonek | morning ... discount codes till not valid in german Nokia store :-( | 11:52 |
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| ccooke | jonek: that'll be irritating :-/ | 11:58 |
| nomis | yeah, that sucks. | 11:59 |
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| X-Fade | jonek: I have a german one lying on my desk that I can't use and has to be exchanged. I think that is bad too ;) | 11:59 |
| jonek | X-Fade: what do you mean by 'has to be exchanged"? is it a faulty code or some slow sicount-code-activation-propagation? | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | jonek: They shipped the german version, while i'm NL based.. | 12:00 |
| jonek | anybody from Germany here who has a working discount code? | 12:01 |
| pupnik | jonek, i sent nokia.de feedback but no response yet | 12:01 |
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| X-Fade | jonek: No, you will hear about it for sure when it happens.. | 12:02 |
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| pupnik | jonek, if you find their phone number paste it please | 12:02 |
| nomis | X-Fade: oh - does this manifest itself in the hardware? | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | nomis: qwertz keyboard instead of qwerty.. Big difference.. | 12:02 |
| nomis | oh right. | 12:02 |
| jonek | non working discount code and a mail telling "valid from today onwards" suX0rs | 12:03 |
| pupnik | MediaNokia GmbH Heltorfer Str. 1 40472 Düsseldorf | 12:04 |
| pupnik | 0211 94 12-0 | 12:04 |
| pupnik | sorry | 12:04 |
| pupnik | that's supposed to be Nokia Gmbh | 12:04 |
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| pupnik | let me know if you call them jonek. I'll call them later today | 12:05 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: they actually sent the right one, but Nokia for some very strange reason put NL with DE, AT and CH in one region | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: Yep, error made in finland.. | 12:06 |
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| jonek | islandsvinur: the N800 for my last discount code came from NL, but I'm living in DE | 12:07 |
| unique311 | lol | 12:07 |
| unique311 | pupnik it works | 12:07 |
| unique311 | dialng germany | 12:07 |
| unique311 | free | 12:07 |
| unique311 | answering machine | 12:07 |
| unique311 | lol | 12:07 |
| unique311 | wondering if i should post a video for this. | 12:08 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: but they aren't exchanging are they? | 12:09 |
| islandsvinur | jonek: also nice :) | 12:10 |
| jonek | pupnik: I called and was given the following mail address: dusseldorf.reception@nokia.com | 12:11 |
| pupnik | answering machine or person jonek? | 12:12 |
| jonek | pupnik: person | 12:12 |
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| pupnik | Cord: give them a call too | 12:13 |
| lardman | hmm, express delivery doesn't appear to be all that express in the UK: If you place your order on Monday by 1.30pm, you should receive your order Tuesday/Wednesday during working hours. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: They'll get back to me on this. The shop was talking to Nokia Finland.. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: But I have found another item number for the NL version on webshops. 02704N1 instead of the 02701Z7 I have received. | 12:16 |
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| jonek | pupnik: I wrote a mail... | 12:18 |
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| islandsvinur | X-Fade: Hmm, I will send them an e-mail too, then | 12:22 |
| zetheroo | is there a way to check how long the battery has to go until fully charged? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: Call the 0800 number and ask for a Dutch speaking person. | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: They promissed to call me back before the end of the day ;) | 12:24 |
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| timeless | White_Flame: you can do: ln -s / ~/MyDocs/rt | 12:32 |
| timeless | did anyone make a .deb for phoenix? | 12:32 |
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| islandsvinur | X-Fade: Heh, the guy on the phone was confused and thought I was you or something ;) | 12:33 |
| timeless | GeneralAntilles: technically win32-arm exists | 12:34 |
| timeless | so while people laugh at wine on non x86, they're laughing for the wrong reasons | 12:34 |
| timeless | of course, the people asking about wine are also confused, but... | 12:34 |
| unique311 | so who wants to know how to make the free international calls on the n800 | 12:35 |
| unique311 | after a couple of days of searching, i finally found a way. | 12:35 |
| unique311 | and it works | 12:35 |
| trickie | the suspense is killing me | 12:36 |
| unique311 | might work for international users if Freedigits will allow international users to register for a number | 12:36 |
| timeless | unique311: skype doesn't work? | 12:36 |
| timeless | last i checked skype lets you call toll free numbers | 12:37 |
| unique311 | it does but you have to pay | 12:37 |
| timeless | ? | 12:37 |
| timeless | +1800 is definitely free w/ skype | 12:37 |
| unique311 | this is every number | 12:37 |
| unique311 | where are you from timeless? | 12:37 |
| timeless | http://www.skype.com/intl/en/prices/callrates/#listing-U | 12:37 |
| timeless | .us | 12:37 |
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| timeless | Destination B7 Rate/minuteEUR excl. VATEUR incl. VAT | 12:38 |
| timeless | USA-Toll Free . 0.000 . 0.000 | 12:38 |
| unique311 | you calling someone in europe for free timeless | 12:38 |
| unique311 | but not just toll free | 12:38 |
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| timeless | oh, i misread | 12:38 |
| timeless | sorry, most of the time the question i see is about dialing 800 like numbers | 12:39 |
| timeless | note: where i'm from doesn't relate to where i am | 12:39 |
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| unique311 | nah, i just setup the defualt client with my freedigits number, and made a couple of calls to some german numbers, and got thru | 12:39 |
| unique311 | spoke to 1 lady, that was confused on why i was asking her if she spoke english | 12:40 |
| unique311 | timeless, vacation? | 12:40 |
| timeless | work? | 12:41 |
| unique311 | k | 12:41 |
| unique311 | you at work right now? | 12:41 |
| * timeless nods | 12:41 | |
| * timeless sighs | 12:42 | |
| * timeless just got a 3 page email that is kinda essential reading | 12:42 | |
| unique311 | happy readings then. | 12:43 |
| * mgedmin empathises | 12:43 | |
| unique311 | i'll just make another bootleg video showcasing the free international calls trick. | 12:43 |
| unique311 | i got good response my last vid. bunch of freaking Grandcentral request. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: Hehe, fun times for them as all NL packages need replacing. | 12:44 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: Probably :) | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: Did you use your N810? | 12:47 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: yes | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: Even more fun for them then ;) | 12:47 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: You left it in the box? | 12:48 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 12:49 |
| islandsvinur | X-Fade: I couldn't ;) | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | islandsvinur: I hoped for a quick resolution, but if it is going to take a while... | 12:49 |
| guardian | duh | 12:49 |
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| guardian | i disable receiving emails from the dev list | 12:49 |
| guardian | disabled | 12:49 |
| guardian | until subscription codes work everywhere :) | 12:50 |
| islandsvinur | guardian: lol | 12:50 |
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| timeless | guardian: i should have done that weeks ago | 12:51 |
| lardman | where does one categorise a garage project? | 12:51 |
| timeless | "trove" | 12:51 |
| lardman | ah, right in front of me, thanks | 12:52 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/group_trove.php?group_id=107 | 12:52 |
| timeless | fill in 107 as ... | 12:52 |
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| guardian | timeless: yeah it's really annoying :) | 12:52 |
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| timeless | could someone load https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 and tell the reporter how to change whether internet call is launched when the camera is opened? | 12:54 |
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| hendry | how do i get sb2 to chroot into ~/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/armel/chinook40_armel | 13:00 |
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| hendry | it seems when I run sb2, I'm in my own host fs | 13:01 |
| LoCusF | has anyone got a pdftk installed on their n8x0? | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | I thought sb2 didn't use chroots anymore? | 13:04 |
| timeless | sb2 doesn't chroot | 13:04 |
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| mgedmin | my bluetooth gps works without pairing (and apparently doesn't support pairing?), how am I supposed to use it with os2008? | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | maemo mapper is fine, but the built-in maps app isn't | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | I suppose I could just stick with mm and ignore that free-trial commercial crap | 13:05 |
| hendry | timeless: hmmm, when i do a `sb2 apt-get update`, it looks for binary-i386 packages. why might that be? | 13:06 |
| timeless | depends on how you ran everything | 13:07 |
| timeless | personally i use -c when i play w/ apt-get | 13:07 |
| timeless | but i'm special | 13:07 |
| nomis | mgedmin: well, even the commercial crap AFAIK uses the free software gps infrastructure. I guess that at some point maemo-mapper will do this as well. No idea how to use this without pairing though. | 13:09 |
| hendry | timeless: to set the arch for apt? | 13:09 |
| timeless | yeah | 13:09 |
| timeless | but i'm doing something very different | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | nomis: true | 13:10 |
| hendry | timeless: could you give me a clue how to set binary-arml for apt? | 13:10 |
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| timeless | APT::Architecture "armel"; | 13:11 |
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| mgedmin | hm, probably there | 13:12 |
| mgedmin | hm, probably there's some default pin in the manual | 13:12 |
| hendry | timeless: thanks btw | 13:12 |
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| timeless | hendry: if you need to do that, you're doing something wrong :) | 13:14 |
| timeless | are you using sb2 or sb2 -e ? | 13:14 |
| mgedmin | ok, I'm stupid | 13:14 |
| mgedmin | there's a default pin, and google knows it | 13:14 |
| nomis | mgedmin: heh :) | 13:14 |
| timeless | it's not 0000? | 13:15 |
| hendry | timeless: just sb2 | 13:16 |
| timeless | you probably want -e, and you probably want to read about sb2 | 13:16 |
| timeless | but don't take my word for it, i never got that far w/ sb2 | 13:16 |
| hendry | timeless: i put your conf in `rootstraps/armel/chinook40_armel/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20arm` | 13:17 |
| timeless | hendry: i have a single fully specified apt-conf file | 13:17 |
| hendry | timeless: btw, do you know anyone around here with java porting experience? | 13:17 |
| timeless | well, in fact, i have 3 or more such files | 13:18 |
| hendry | timeless: apt.conf.d is cool | 13:18 |
| timeless | define porting | 13:18 |
| timeless | porting java to a platform | 13:18 |
| timeless | or porting a java app to a different java platform | 13:18 |
| hendry | timeless: building java (cdc) for arml (chinook) | 13:18 |
| timeless | i know they exist, i don't know their names | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | timeless: no | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | it's not 0000 | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | I tried 0000 before | 13:19 |
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| timeless | mgedmin: wow, that sucks | 13:19 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Try 12345 | 13:20 |
| * mgedmin wonders why his paranoid sysadmin instincts won't let him type the actual pin, given that google knows it already anyway | 13:20 | |
| Luria | thats almost the combination for my suitcase! | 13:20 |
| timeless | x-fade: he already said google knew the answer | 13:21 |
| jkyro | timeless, sun's PhoneME works in OS2007 | 13:21 |
| mgedmin | actually, I've never seen a 5-digit bluetooth pin on any device | 13:21 |
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| timeless | jkyro: i wans't asking | 13:35 |
| timeless | fwiw, in case people are interesting, my mxr.maemo.org (ask infobot about the deb) will have an os2008 cross reference | 13:35 |
| timeless | s/ing/ed/ | 13:36 |
| infobot | timeless meant: fwiw, in case people are interested, my mxr.maemo.org (ask infobot about the deb) will have an os2008 cross reference | 13:36 |
| * timeless frowns | 13:36 | |
| mgedmin | infobot, what about the deb? | 13:37 |
| * infobot about the deb to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion | 13:37 | |
| * timeless eyes infobot wildly | 13:37 | |
| hendry | timeless: what am i doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m3dc30650 | 13:38 |
| lardman | do you think infobot caught something from _Monkey...? | 13:39 |
| timeless | infobot mxr-maemo-org-dns deb? | 13:39 |
| timeless | infobot mxr-maemo-org deb? | 13:39 |
| * timeless frowns | 13:39 | |
| * timeless has memory loss | 13:39 | |
| timeless | bot's are important, they protect against memory loss | 13:40 |
| timeless | unfortunately if you forget the keys, the data is effectively lost anyway | 13:40 |
| dpb_ | :) | 13:41 |
| timeless | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb | 13:41 |
| infobot | from memory, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 13:41 |
| timeless | there we go | 13:41 |
| * Jaffa ywans. Morning, all. | 13:41 | |
| Jaffa | (Did I say that already?) | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | Ah, yes. | 13:41 |
| dpb_ | Afternoon :P | 13:41 |
| timeless | you yawned earlier? | 13:41 |
| * timeless frowns | 13:42 | |
| * timeless hates proxies | 13:42 | |
| lardman | memory loss, you should have asked the bot | 13:42 |
| dpb_ | Indeed, proxies suck.. | 13:42 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008-50/ | 13:42 |
| timeless | is the url | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I didn't yawn, but I did say mornin' :) | 13:43 |
| * Jaffa 's developer device should arrive today, Mrs Jaffa can have her N810 back (I say, "back, but she's never had it ;-)) | 13:44 | |
| * timeless chuckles | 13:45 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: you in the uk? | 13:46 |
| unique311 | that didn't last long, i think they caught on to me. my calls are not going thru anymore.. | 13:46 |
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| unique311 | local still works, no international. | 13:46 |
| unique311 | i'll try again later and see if it works again. | 13:47 |
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| blahdeblah | For the 2nd time today, activating my bluetooth keyboard has locked up all input on my N800 except for the buttons. The bluetooth keystrokes don't register, and the text recogniser won't appear again. :-( | 14:11 |
| blahdeblah | Is this a known bug? | 14:11 |
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| lardman | do any garage projects have discussion lists, or only commit lists + forums | 14:14 |
| lardman | ? | 14:14 |
| hullfandan | I have a 'newbie' question regarding packages if anyone has a moment and a kind heart to help a windoze user struggling with linux. I have developed a test application under scratchbox using the vmware maemo sdk image. This works fine under emulation (if a little slow). I now need to test the application on hardware. I gave up on the remote target over x-term etc. So I think I need to make a deb package for the ARMEL ta | 14:14 |
| timeless | if you tap on the bt icon in the status bar area and choose disconnect, what happens? | 14:14 |
| lardman | hullfandan: why don't you ssh into the device? | 14:15 |
| blahdeblah | timeless: Tried that the first time with no success. Needed a reboot. | 14:15 |
| florian | good morning | 14:15 |
| lardman | hi florian | 14:15 |
| blahdeblah | florian: evening | 14:15 |
| florian | :-) | 14:16 |
| hullfandan | I tried, but couldn't get it to work. even following the instructions. As I figured I am going to have to build a package at some point I though I might as well just do that | 14:16 |
| * blahdeblah yawns - almost bed time! ;-) | 14:16 | |
| hullfandan | I got as far as setting up a superuser and then got lost/confused | 14:16 |
| lardman | hullfandan: Although building a package is necessary in the end, it's useful to be able to see output (presumably)? | 14:17 |
| lardman | hullfandan: I hate package building, you'll need to ask someone else about that, but if you need help to get ssh working that's easy | 14:17 |
| hullfandan | lardman : yes. I just want to check what I have coded so far works on hardware before going any further | 14:17 |
| lardman | hullfandan: red pill mode, install openssh on the device, make sure you have ssh on the PC and do: ssh root@someipaddress | 14:18 |
| hullfandan | lardman : ok thanks I will go over ssh again now and see where I went wrong. | 14:18 |
| lardman | hullfandan: you shouldn't need to setup any accounts, etc. | 14:18 |
| timeless | lardman: capture-root would be needed unless you have r&d mode... | 14:19 |
| * timeless hates r&d mode | 14:19 | |
| hullfandan | lardman: ok thanks, so someipaddress should be the IP of the maemo? | 14:19 |
| lardman | timeless: ssh from pc to the device...? | 14:19 |
| Blafasel | Short survey: Any hints where to get a N810 as cheap as possible? Nokia.de is quite pricey. I do have friends in the US etc., so is there a better option? | 14:19 |
| timeless | hullfandan =~ s/maemo/device/ | 14:19 |
| hullfandan | i installed become root as well | 14:19 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: yes, of the n8x0 | 14:19 |
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| hullfandan | lardman : I'm actually using a 770 but I have upgraded to 0S2007 | 14:20 |
| timeless | b;afasel: the us will be your best price point until european companies give up on X=X parity | 14:20 |
| hullfandan | lardman : so I am developing for bora, please tell be that is correct for 770 running OS2007 | 14:20 |
| lardman | hullfandan: I think so | 14:20 |
| hullfandan | lardman : thanks, that's good enough for me atm. My main problem is that although I try to use linux more (I dual boot ubuntu now) I am still lost when I get into the terminal window. | 14:22 |
| lardman | hullfandan: you could ssh from windows | 14:22 |
| lardman | hullfandan: or do you mean once you're on the 770? | 14:22 |
| hullfandan | lardman: booth :) | 14:23 |
| Blafasel | timeless: Just checked it.. Crazy | 14:23 |
| lardman | hullfandan: what does you app do? | 14:23 |
| lardman | s/you/your | 14:23 |
| Blafasel | timeless: 450 EUR here, 480$ over there. | 14:23 |
| timeless | blafasel: currency speculation, is um... interesting | 14:23 |
| timeless | blafasel: eww, it's not X=X? | 14:23 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:23 | |
| timeless | that's bad | 14:23 |
| Blafasel | Na, 460 Euro vs 480 $ even | 14:23 |
| timeless | it used to be 1:1 | 14:23 |
| Blafasel | Well, that's still only 325 EUR in New York | 14:23 |
| Blafasel | Insane! | 14:24 |
| hullfandan | lardman : not much at the moment, just checking out what I can do on the hardware. I make games so I'm looking at that atm. I've just got some basic stuff running using SDL. | 14:24 |
| timeless | yeah... but it means they're considering shifting away from 1:1 | 14:24 |
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| timeless | which is pretty much a disaster | 14:24 |
| lardman | hullfandan: I was wondering wherher your app would need to be installed (if it has data files, etc.) or if it is self-contained | 14:24 |
| hullfandan | lardman : it has about 3 bitmap graphics at the moment but nothing else | 14:25 |
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| onion | thank you nokians, my N810 arrived today | 14:26 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I've not used ssh before. Is it a comms protocol that I can use to copy files to the 770 to run them from there? | 14:26 |
| lardman | hullfandan: ssh is secure shell, like telnet but secure. sftp is what you want to move files (which also comes with the openssh package) | 14:27 |
| halley | I've always found scp to be much more convenient thatn sftp, but whatever. | 14:27 |
| * mgedmin prefers scp to sftp | 14:27 | |
| hullfandan | lardman: ok thanks, that makes sense | 14:27 |
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| wumpus | unless you don't know the exact name of the remote file, then scp is useless :) | 14:27 |
| lardman | mgedmin: I'm shocked. Why? | 14:28 |
| lardman | mgedmin: I find it really painful to use | 14:28 |
| hullfandan | mgedmin: I'm happy to use whichever is the easiest to use for a windows user ;) | 14:28 |
| * blahdeblah prefers rsync to everything ;-) | 14:28 | |
| onion | has anyone noticed that the map software uses oggs for direction playback | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | easier on the command-line? scp filena<tab-completion> server:directo<tab-completion><enter> | 14:28 |
| wumpus | tab completion doesn't work on the server side mgedmin | 14:28 |
| mgedmin | hullfandan: google for a nice windows gui sftp client then | 14:28 |
| wumpus | winscp is nice | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | wumpus: source /etc/bash_completion | 14:29 |
| blahdeblah | wumpus: It does if the server dir structure happens to match the client ;-) | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | blahdeblah: no need for that | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | all you need is passwordless ssh logins (with ssh-agent and a public key) | 14:29 |
| wumpus | mgedmin: it cannot know what is on the server before logging into it right? | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | wumpus: bash_completion logs in and runs ssh on the server | 14:29 |
| blahdeblah | mgedmin: That is way cool - i never realised that came out of the box. | 14:30 |
| wumpus | so it tries to do another login every time you press tab.. ok, I still prefer the sftp way | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't work too well when directory names contain spaces, though | 14:30 |
| * blahdeblah runs away to experiment with bash_completion | 14:30 | |
| mgedmin | so maybe scp is more convenient for a few special use cases that I happen to use mostly | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | and sftp may be more convenient in general | 14:30 |
| wumpus | agreed, scp is useful for some cases, especially in scripts | 14:30 |
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| mgedmin | there's also sshfs | 14:31 |
| * blahdeblah basks in the power of bash_completion - bwaahaaahaaaaaaaa | 14:31 | |
| wumpus | it's also nice that it allows to limit the bandwidth, I don't know if sftp does | 14:31 |
| mgedmin | for the ultimate convenience | 14:31 |
| lardman | hullfandan: the best one for Windows is one from www.ssh.com (imo), but they appear to have removed the free version | 14:31 |
| wumpus | winscp is the best imo, it's from the same people as putty | 14:31 |
| glass | filezilla has support too | 14:31 |
| glass | nowadays | 14:31 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I don't want a windows one thanks. I am doing everything under emulated debian environment. It just makes more sense for me to use one that is more familiar to a windows user I guess | 14:32 |
| lardman | I think putty may be the way forward as Windows doesn't come with an ssh client either | 14:32 |
| glass | i prefer it over winscp and ssh.coms | 14:32 |
| lardman | hullfandan: ah no, just use the command line in that case | 14:32 |
| glass | from the putty guys theres pscp.exe for windows commandline too | 14:32 |
| Blafasel | Okay, just asked a New Yorker to bring me the N810 on monday. Wish me luck ;) | 14:32 |
| hullfandan | best if I stick to linux as I am doing all development in linux | 14:32 |
| Blafasel | There's no difference between the US and the EU version (apart from the keyboard), right? | 14:33 |
| lardman | hullfandan: with sftp use "cd" to change dir on the server side and "lcd" to change dir on the client side and and then "put" and "get" to move files | 14:33 |
| lardman | hullfandan: or perhaps scp does have its advantages.... | 14:33 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I've got to get is to connect first ;) | 14:34 |
| lardman | hullfandan: like ssh, sftp root@someipaddress | 14:34 |
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| halley | Anyone who puts spaces in directory names deserves the hell they receive. | 14:35 |
| inz | mkdir "foo bar" | 14:36 |
| * timeless likes winscp | 14:36 | |
| halley | inz, yes, but quoting spaces on a remote shell is trickier. | 14:36 |
| * timeless has used ssh.com's but not recently | 14:36 | |
| hullfandan | lardman: you say I should know what it means. :) Hang on I am in windows at the moment. i need to switch to linux so I can try this as I go along. | 14:37 |
| timeless | blafasel: just the price | 14:37 |
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| timeless | and whose taxes you're paying | 14:37 |
| hullfandan | lardman: btw does this work over wifi or should I connect the 770 via usb? | 14:37 |
| Blafasel | halley: mkdir foo\ bar | 14:37 |
| timeless | oh, no, technically that's wrong | 14:37 |
| timeless | the us version has us maps by default | 14:37 |
| lardman | hullfandan: either is fine | 14:37 |
| Blafasel | timeless: Can those be changed? | 14:37 |
| hullfandan | lardman: ok, thanks. Brb, off to linux land | 14:38 |
| lardman | hullfandan: just be careful as sometimes the wifi connection can go to sleep, then you need to wake it up by opening a web page, etc., on the 770 | 14:38 |
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| hullfandan | lardman: ok I use usb cable then. can you recommend a good linux irc client | 14:38 |
| |tbb| | hi all, who can help me to manage a ssh -X session from desktop pc to n810 , so i can run maemo applications on linux box. Anytime i had ask here somebody says Have you set the Display variable, but i cant figure out how to do it correct. | 14:39 |
| lardman | hullfandan: I use ksirc I think (I'm running WinXP atm) | 14:39 |
| hullfandan | larman: ok thanks :) | 14:39 |
| hullfandan | lardman: brb | 14:39 |
| lardman | hullfandan: do you have a graphical debian install? | 14:39 |
| lardman | hullfandan: ksirc is for KDE | 14:39 |
| hullfandan | lardman: yes the maemo vmware one that I'm using to dev under and an ubuntu one | 14:40 |
| hullfandan | lardman: ok thnks | 14:40 |
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| lardman | Still no N810 delivery :( | 14:41 |
| * timeless got kicked out of a study | 14:41 | |
| timeless | i'm not average | 14:41 |
| timeless | i don't think phones are fashion accessories, and i don't eat fast food :( | 14:41 |
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| * lardman was confused, was thinking of walls of books and reading lamps | 14:41 | |
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| |tbb| | timeless geeks arent mainstream ppl | 14:44 |
| darx | hi i've installed the cli version of rdesktop and its trying to access /dev/dsp which doesn't exist. where is the sound device and do I have to compile rdesktop myself to fix this? | 14:44 |
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| pupnik | if anybody gets USB wifi cards running please mention my name or /msg me | 14:45 |
| darx | pupnik: have you tried? | 14:45 |
| pupnik | darx: unfortunately the osso compatibility for /dev/dsp isn't builtin | 14:45 |
| pupnik | oss i mean | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | i'd really like to see /dev/dsp support in OS2009 or whatever | 14:46 |
| darx | hmm | 14:46 |
| pupnik | i've tried getting the /dev/dsp stuff running independently but i didn't figure it out | 14:46 |
| darx | ok | 14:47 |
| pupnik | it's part of alsa | 14:47 |
| pupnik | If you want to preserve OSS/Free or OSS/Linux compatibility, you need to insert one more driver: the snd-pcm1-oss driver for OSS-compatibility. Issue a | 14:47 |
| pupnik | modprobe snd-pcm1-oss | 14:47 |
| pupnik | This will give you /dev/audio and /dev/dsp-support, just as the OSS/Free (kernel) drivers and OSS/Linux (the $25 ones) do. Note that this is only an emulation. | 14:47 |
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| maemo | lardman: back, ksirc seems nice too, thanks for the tip ;) | 14:49 |
| darx | pupnik: i'm new to maemo and nokia. is it possible to recompile the kernel? | 14:49 |
| lardman | maemo: np | 14:50 |
| inz | darx, sure it is | 14:50 |
| darx | inz: any guides anywhere? | 14:50 |
| maemo | lardman: oops, wrong name, hullfandan here obviously. I'll change that :) | 14:50 |
| lardman | :) | 14:51 |
| lardman | darx: maemo wiki | 14:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, or there used to be, I can't see it now | 14:51 |
| trickie | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html | 14:52 |
| pupnik | on the /dev/dsp thing d.schmicker writes "I compiled esound-clients from debian tar (without patch) | 14:52 |
| lardman | trickie: thanks | 14:52 |
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| trickie | darx: make sure you also use the latest sources in the os2008 repo | 14:52 |
| pupnik | copied esddsp, libesd.so.0 and libesddsp.so.0 to the places and started ./esddsp ./gtick and everything works fine. " | 14:52 |
| trickie | well thats the sources for the kernel in the latest image | 14:53 |
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| trickie | lardman: np | 14:53 |
| darx | trickie: thanks :-P | 14:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/27362 | 14:53 |
| trickie | darx: your welcome | 14:53 |
| pupnik | so afaict /dev/dsp is a *nix FIFO, which alsa presents through an emulation layer | 14:56 |
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| maemo | lardman: sorry to be a total noob and off topic but how the hell do you change your nick in ksirc? | 14:57 |
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| Blafasel | With /nick NewNick | 14:58 |
| Blafasel | Like in every client on the planet ;) | 14:58 |
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| timeless | maemo: http://irchelp.org | 14:58 |
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| hullfandan | sorry, don't really use irc | 14:58 |
| hullfandan | thanks | 14:58 |
| darx | a wasted bash.org oppertunity :-) | 14:59 |
| timeless | oh no | 15:00 |
| * timeless just realized that this box has <75g free | 15:00 | |
| timeless | it'll last maybe 2 months | 15:00 |
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| |tbb| | so nobody has experience force maemo apps from n810 to x server of desktop pc in here, right now? | 15:01 |
| darx | pupnik: thanks. :) | 15:02 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: belatedly, yes - in the UK | 15:03 |
| pupnik | |tbb| you could look at how scratchbox apps run on the host server | 15:03 |
| pupnik | should be the same shebang on the device | 15:03 |
| hullfandan | How do I find the IP address of this 770 so I can connect to it with ssh/sftp? <againi please remeber I new to all this terminal voodoo ;) > | 15:04 |
| lardman | Jaffa: np, I was looking at the delivery times on the Nokia site & they reckon 1 to 2 days | 15:04 |
| inz | timeless, 75 grams? | 15:04 |
| kulve | hullfandan: from connection manager | 15:04 |
| kulve | conn.mgr. menu -> tools -> ip, or something | 15:04 |
| |tbb| | pupnik you mean that xepyhr thing? Does it mean i have to run a Xephyr Server? | 15:05 |
| Blafasel | |tbb|: Setting $DISPLAY? | 15:05 |
| Blafasel | |tbb|: And reading man xhost probably. This is both thinking in basic linux terms, I don't own a NXXX yet | 15:06 |
| pupnik | |tbb|: nah xephyr is just an x-server running as a userspace app on top of your linux X server | 15:06 |
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| inz | |tbb|, maemo-launcher does not support envoronment, so you need to use maemo-summoner | 15:06 |
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| pupnik | Google: Your search - maemo-summoner - did not match any documents. | 15:06 |
| kulve | inz: did you just compile the osso-xterm from the trunk? It's segfaulting every now and then and I could try to debug the reason.. | 15:07 |
| inz | kulve, yeah, it should be the trunk | 15:07 |
| kulve | ok. I'll try to find time at some point to launch it with gdb | 15:08 |
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| inz | pupnik, did you think it would be mentioned in the maemo.org website? | 15:09 |
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| |tbb| | inz does it mean ssh -X root@n810 and then just start any application like maemo-summoner /usr/bin/browser.launch will do the trick? | 15:09 |
| inz | |tbb|, I would guess so (if the ssh server has X11Forwarding enabled) | 15:09 |
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| hullfandan | damn, lost connection | 15:10 |
| hullfandan | How do I find the IP address of this 770 so I can connect to it with ssh/sftp? <againi please remeber I new to all this terminal voodoo ;) > | 15:10 |
| |tbb| | ive changed the config to that allready without effect, have to try this later | 15:10 |
| hullfandan | sorry if you already answered that | 15:10 |
| pupnik | it needed quotes inz - sorry for the silliness... | 15:10 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+%22maemo-summoner%22 | 15:10 |
| lardman | hullfandan: is this a usb connection | 15:10 |
| |tbb| | or anyone able right now to check this, havent n810 in my network at work right now | 15:10 |
| hullfandan | lardman: yes atm | 15:10 |
| timeless | sp3000: so, it's about time to look into buying a new drive for swift | 15:10 |
| lardman | hullfandan: can you get root on the 770? | 15:11 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I tihnk so as I int actaully used it yetstalled become root but I haven' | 15:11 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I have xterminal open on the 770 now, and I have a terminal open in debian on this PC | 15:12 |
| lardman | kulve: do you know if your connection manger suggestion works for usb connections? Don't they bypass libconic, etc.? | 15:12 |
| alterego | Wow, that was some odd English use :D | 15:12 |
| lardman | hullfandan: on the pc, can you run "ifconfig"? You may need to be root there too | 15:13 |
| lardman | alterego: was it? | 15:13 |
| hullfandan | yeah sorry. I am english but linix has melted my brain :) | 15:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:13 |
| hullfandan | linux, argh I can't even type anymore | 15:13 |
| alterego | Maybe you installed loonix by accident :) | 15:13 |
| hullfandan | lol, maybe :) | 15:14 |
| hullfandan | lardman: yes that ran and gave me some info on what looks like local network settings | 15:14 |
| alterego | That's a good point really. Shouldn't libConIc support USB net .. | 15:15 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: it should have given you some info about the usb0 connection? | 15:15 |
| lardman | hullfandan: it probably mentions an ip address along the lines of 192.168.1.X | 15:15 |
| hullfandan | lardman: no, just ethel and lo | 15:15 |
| lardman | hmm | 15:15 |
| lardman | you will need to bring it up then, or just use wifi | 15:16 |
| hullfandan | lardman: ethl and lo sorry | 15:16 |
| alterego | hullfandan, try `ifconfig usb0` | 15:16 |
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| hullfandan | laterego: usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 15:16 |
| hullfandan | same with usb1 | 15:17 |
| hullfandan | I will try over wifi | 15:17 |
| alterego | Okay, so have you modprobed usbnet? | 15:17 |
| lardman | you probably need to insert a module | 15:17 |
| lardman | and likewise on the 770 | 15:17 |
| lardman | I'd go for wifi, much easier | 15:17 |
| hullfandan | ok, is there a tutorial anywhere I can follow so I can stop bothering you nice people? | 15:17 |
| alterego | hullfandan, there's a tutorial for the palm. Which uses pretty much the same software. | 15:18 |
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| fugitivo | anyone with a 770 touchscreen with loss of sensibility? | 15:18 |
| alterego | I.E. ifconfig, insmod, g_ether_usb | 15:18 |
| alterego | Or whatever it's called. | 15:18 |
| fugitivo | i have several places on my touchscreen that doesn't work as it should | 15:18 |
| lardman | you talking about usb stuff: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html | 15:18 |
| alterego | Even better, a main tutorial. | 15:19 |
| alterego | ~maemo .. | 15:19 |
| hullfandan | lardman: Thanks, I'll try that tutorial | 15:20 |
| * Jaffa responds to Eero's good points on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2564#c3 | 15:20 | |
| lardman | If you go the wifi route, follow kulve's suggestion and look in connection manager at the connection information and get the ip address from that, then on the pc do "ssh root@ipaddress" | 15:20 |
| hullfandan | lardman: Incase you are gone when I get back or incase I give up and smash this 770 into lots of tiny pieces, thanks for your help. Thanks alterego too. | 15:21 |
| alterego | :) | 15:21 |
| lardman | np | 15:21 |
| * alterego has just eaten the last of the christmas turkey. | 15:21 | |
| lardman | Speaking of gone, there's only so much working from home I can do, where's my N810! | 15:22 |
| alterego | lardman, is that "do" or "handle" ? :) | 15:22 |
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| hullfandan | I missed kulve's suggestion. I should try that. connection manager on 770 or PC? | 15:22 |
| lardman | alterego: 2 weeks after it was cooked... hmm | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Keeping busy at home so you can stay on the lookout for the UPS van? :) | 15:22 |
| lardman | hullfandan: on the 770 | 15:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, was in a nice curry :) | 15:22 |
| hullfandan | lardman: thanks again | 15:23 |
| alterego | X-Fade, you in the UK? | 15:23 |
| lardman | X-Fade: exactly, but I have to go into work because there are things to be done there too | 15:23 |
| * alterego doesn't appear to be able to do order tracking. | 15:23 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: 5 minutes after you will leave, they will show up.. ;) | 15:23 |
| alterego | I got a "shipped" email from Nokia but that's it. | 15:23 |
| lardman | alterego: nor can I | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Nope, NL. And I had a UPS tracking number. | 15:24 |
| lardman | X-Fade: tell me about it, perhaps if I drive round the block I'll catch them :) | 15:24 |
| alterego | lardman, did you use the cheapo delivery option like me? :) | 15:24 |
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| lardman | alterego: no the highly expensive £9.99 super fast method :) | 15:24 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:24 |
| alterego | Damn you! | 15:24 |
| alterego | When did you place the order? | 15:25 |
| lardman | Friday | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | lardman: So it would only take 4 days ;) | 15:25 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 15:25 |
| alterego | I placed mine on Saturday. Got the "shipped" email yesterday evening. | 15:25 |
| lardman | perhaps even 5, the delivery info says if order is placed by 1.30pm on Mon, it may arrive on Tue/Wed at any time during the day | 15:25 |
| alterego | Well, afternoon. | 15:25 |
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| alterego | I only have one Mini SD card to use with it. | 15:26 |
| alterego | And that's the 128M one that came with the N800 ^_^ | 15:26 |
| lardman | I just found a 1Gb one in a camera | 15:27 |
| alterego | Cool. | 15:27 |
| alterego | I think I'll end up carrying both my tablets around. The N800 will just become my media player. | 15:27 |
| lardman | My N800 will continue to be a dsp test bed, until some family member asks to borrow it :) | 15:28 |
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| alterego | My dad wants to steal my N810 .. | 15:28 |
| alterego | When it arrives. | 15:28 |
| alterego | His reasoning is: "But, I could really do with a transflective display and you never go outside". :D | 15:29 |
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| lardman | :) | 15:30 |
| skibur | :) | 15:30 |
| alterego | :D | 15:30 |
| lardman | ;D | 15:30 |
| alterego | O_O | 15:30 |
| alterego | ^_^ | 15:30 |
| lardman | skibur: I wasn't smiling at you in particular, don't worry :) | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Sometimes the sun shines inside your room too, you know ;) | 15:30 |
| alterego | X-Fade, not with my blinds. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | heh | 15:31 |
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| timeless | hrm | 15:32 |
| skibur | :) | 15:32 |
| skibur | lol | 15:32 |
| timeless | x-fade: so, who would have a use for being able to browse the os2008 sources? | 15:32 |
| timeless | sp3000: os2008 says you sent me a message @01:55:30 PM | 15:33 |
| timeless | is that true? :) | 15:33 |
| alterego | Are you pimping your MXR again? | 15:33 |
| timeless | yes :) | 15:33 |
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| alterego | Any updates? I've got nothing to do right now I'd be interested to see it :) | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Hehe, mxr is always very handy.. | 15:33 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: o_O | 15:37 |
| hullfandan | hallaluja! | 15:37 |
| lardman | sounds promising | 15:38 |
| hullfandan | or to put it another way I am connected to my 770 over wifi. It didn't work initially as a previous tutorial told me to lock root, but I unlocked it and that works | 15:38 |
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| hullfandan | lardman: what now ;) | 15:39 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: find your binary on the PC, open a term in that window | 15:40 |
| sp3000 | I guess that depeds on which 13:55 that is | 15:40 |
| hullfandan | lardman: I have to do that through scratchbox as that's where the files are. Should I move them out somewhere else first or should that be ok? | 15:41 |
| lardman | hullfandan: do "ftp root@ipaddress", once it's opened 'cd' to a directory on the 770 where you want to put the file (/home/user perhaps) then do "put binary-name" to upload it to the 770 | 15:41 |
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| colinl | hi! is there any API (DBUS signal i suppose) to know whether an hardware keyboard is available on the tablet ? | 15:41 |
| hullfandan | lardman: ok thanks I'll do that | 15:41 |
| lardman | hullfandan: you can run sftp from within scratchbox | 15:41 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: or just cd to the actual directory - /scratchbox/users/*/home/ etc | 15:42 |
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| timeless | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb | 15:46 |
| infobot | somebody said mxr.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 15:46 |
| timeless | alterego: load http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/ | 15:46 |
| lardman | The last time I waited in all day for something it turned out it had been left with a neighbour at 9 in the morning and no note had been left in my letterbox as my buzzer wasn't working; I might have to go and test it... | 15:46 |
| atlas96 | hello | 15:48 |
| lardman | aaaarrgghghhghgh, would you believe it | 15:48 |
| atlas96 | what is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb ? | 15:48 |
| timeless | atlas: it adds a dns entry for mxr.maemo.org (that you can uninstall using application manager) | 15:48 |
| timeless | once you've loaded it, visit mxr.maemo.org in your web browser | 15:49 |
| timeless | colin: that should be in HAL, not DBUS, no? | 15:49 |
| atlas96 | hmm ok, i don't understand what is the goal :p | 15:50 |
| timeless | atlas96: transparency, it's a prototype | 15:50 |
| killfill | is there any mono VM for maemo jet? | 15:50 |
| timeless | killfill: google maemo mono is too hard? | 15:51 |
| atlas96 | ha ok :) | 15:51 |
| killfill | just didnt find anything that works on os2008.. | 15:51 |
| timeless | atlas: install it, try it out, unisntall it? | 15:51 |
| atlas96 | I have another quesiton, i searhing for a gnokii deb working | 15:51 |
| atlas96 | I(m doing it | 15:51 |
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| timeless | killfill: presumably the people who made the 2007 ver will make a 2008 ver | 15:52 |
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| atlas96 | it is installed timeless | 15:52 |
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| atlas96 | then?:p | 15:52 |
| timeless | load http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 15:53 |
| atlas96 | then? | 15:54 |
| timeless | atlas96: it's a service, browse through a root | 15:54 |
| timeless | e.g., os2008 | 15:54 |
| timeless | that's the source code for the open source components of os2008 | 15:54 |
| timeless | the other roots are other things, hopefully described sufficiently | 15:55 |
| killfill | timeless: really?.. :P | 15:55 |
| atlas96 | the webpage isn't the same of my laptop on the n810 now | 15:55 |
| atlas96 | i french sorry i take time to understand | 15:55 |
| atlas96 | :p | 15:55 |
| timeless | atlas96: you'd need to install the deb onto your laptop to get the same result | 15:55 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:56 | |
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| timeless | something's wrong | 15:56 |
| lardman | hmm, somehow I missed the delivery | 15:56 |
| atlas96 | okkkkkk ;) | 15:57 |
| atlas96 | it is better so with your deb | 15:57 |
| atlas96 | another thing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=709&stc=1&d=1199219113 | 15:58 |
| atlas96 | what is the widget at the right bottom corner please | 15:58 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I think your gstatus is stale :) | 15:58 |
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| timeless | sp3000: what's my status? | 15:59 |
| sp3000 | w/ perf guys | 15:59 |
| timeless | oh lol | 15:59 |
| timeless | it's only what, a month stale? | 15:59 |
| sp3000 | about half | 16:00 |
| hullfandan | sorry yet another noob question. How do I disconnect my ssh session to my 770. I googled at that said ~. but that doesn't seem to work. I guess i need to disconnect before i ftp | 16:00 |
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| atlas96 | and also, it is possible to have the core temp of my n810? | 16:00 |
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| timeless | ^D (ctrl-d) would close a shell | 16:03 |
| timeless | kinda depends on what you mean | 16:03 |
| hullfandan | thanks | 16:03 |
| timeless | atlas96: /proc is your friend | 16:03 |
| lardman | hullfandan: exit should work in the ssh session | 16:03 |
| hullfandan | oops, just closed that terminal | 16:03 |
| lardman | hullfandan: quit for sftp | 16:03 |
| hullfandan | never mind :) thanks | 16:03 |
| hullfandan | thanks | 16:03 |
| hullfandan | ls and cd aint working with sftp for some reason even though it has connected | 16:04 |
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| lardman | ls and cd work on the far side of the connection, lls and lcd on the near side | 16:05 |
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| hullfandan | lardman: thanks, that works | 16:07 |
| skibur | Anybody know what Internet Device will have a fighting chance with the N810? | 16:07 |
| doc|home | fighting chance? | 16:07 |
| pupnik | intel is trying to compete with new low power x86 platforms in 2008/2009 | 16:08 |
| pupnik | but intel is spawn of hell, so i don't promote that shite | 16:08 |
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| doc|home | I'm liking the openmoko neo1973/FreeRunner | 16:09 |
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| pupnik | yeah it's cool stuff for a phone. very open. | 16:10 |
| pupnik | great screen... | 16:10 |
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| hullfandan | lardman: ok how do I run the file I have copied over. It's obviously not on the menu. Do I run it through x terminal on the 770? | 16:11 |
| lardman | hullfandan: go to your ssh terminal | 16:11 |
| lardman | hullfandan: and cd to the directory where you put the binary, then run it by prepending ./ to the name | 16:12 |
| skibur | yeah openmoko is nice | 16:12 |
| timeless | sp3000: so, any comments about mxr.maemo.org? | 16:13 |
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| |tbb| | is there a home-applet for running commands like the applet for the upper bar status-monitor(forgot the name) or so? | 16:14 |
| hullfandan | lardman: with a space after ./ or not | 16:14 |
| hullfandan | lardman ./appname or ./ appname | 16:15 |
| hullfandan | lardamn and do i have to do that via ssh. can I not just use x terminal on the 770 one I have copied it over? | 16:15 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: looks ok to me | 16:17 |
| * timeless had bad description for os2008 :( | 16:17 | |
| lardman | hullfandan: you can use the term on the 770 if you so desire | 16:18 |
| lardman | hullfandan: whichever you do, you need the ./ and no space: ./appname | 16:19 |
| hullfandan | lardman: thanks for all you help. that didn't work but I know why. Human error. | 16:20 |
| sp3000 | in other news, alarmd's readme has a problem with "It's". | 16:20 |
| lardman | hullfandan: presuming you've not placed it in the path, you need to give a full path to the binary, and if you're in the same dir as the binary ./ is the path | 16:20 |
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| * timeless chuckles | 16:20 | |
| timeless | yep | 16:21 |
| timeless | file a bug ;-) | 16:21 |
| simfosho | anyone got any experience with fuse on n800 | 16:21 |
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| hullfandan | lardman: the ./ works. The app crached though as I need to rebuild it for ARMEL target. I forgot that step and just copied the x86 version i have been testing in sctratchbox :/pp | 16:21 |
| timeless | sp3000: actually, mxr does a very good job on that directory | 16:21 |
| lardman | hullfandan: :) well hopefully now you're setup to go | 16:21 |
| * timeless sighs | 16:22 | |
| lardman | hullfandan: running over ssh is easier imo as you can copy & paste, type, etc. far more easily + see more on the screen | 16:22 |
| hullfandan | lardman: Yes, thanks to you. I will report backwhen I have a killer game running on the 770 :D | 16:22 |
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| lardman | hullfandan: :) good good | 16:22 |
| timeless | sp3000: load rpc-systemui.c | 16:24 |
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| timeless | where's alarm_dialog-dbus-names.h? | 16:24 |
| thefool | is there a package for good ol locate for the ITs? | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | hiding? | 16:25 |
| * timeless nods | 16:26 | |
| timeless | sure, but where? | 16:26 |
| ustunozgur | hi, sometimes microb doesn't recognize taps (clicks) and selects the link rather than going to that link. or sometimes the virtual input appears, however the characters are not shown on the input boxes. Is it a common problem? | 16:26 |
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| timeless | ustunozgur: somewhat | 16:26 |
| timeless | do you have better luck clicking on the bottom of link text instead of the top? | 16:26 |
| timeless | as for the input thing, that sounds less familiar | 16:27 |
| hendry | how does one get developer discount codes for the N810? | 16:27 |
| timeless | hendry: they've already been allocated | 16:27 |
| sp3000 | travel back in time to apply | 16:27 |
| timeless | hrm, yeah, 1. get a good time machine | 16:27 |
| hendry | timeless: oh right. when is the next round and how do I sign up for it? | 16:28 |
| timeless | do you have a good supply of tea leaves? | 16:28 |
| timeless | if you do, you can practice predicting the answers to those and many other questions | 16:28 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: the input bug is strange. I usually encounter that with google input boxes. The strange thing is this: I usually select some text to overwrite it. However, in that case, it doesn;t override it. When I click backspace, than it starts writing. | 16:28 |
| timeless | is a google input box google.com, or reader.google.com/mail.google.com/docs.google.com/maps.google.com? | 16:29 |
| timeless | ime, google is different from the others | 16:29 |
| lardman | If the tea leaves work it might be worth winning the lottery and then just paying full price for the next one, you might even get it earlier that way ;) :D | 16:29 |
| * timeless nods | 16:29 | |
| ustunozgur | timeless: google. | 16:30 |
| timeless | you could even figure out which store will have them in stock | 16:30 |
| sp3000 | it's certainly possible to focus a link but not navigate through it by making a drag gesture that starts on the link | 16:30 |
| timeless | and visit that one | 16:30 |
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| sp3000 | and taps being seen as drag gestures isn't entirely impossible | 16:31 |
| lardman | bbiab | 16:31 |
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| ustunozgur | can you reproduce the google.com bug? | 16:31 |
| Juhaz | hendry, unless something drastically changes, the next round is when n900 or whatever it will be comes out. | 16:31 |
| * sp3000 once got his contact applet, several cm away, to jump several cm by tapping a down arrow button on the feed applet ;) | 16:31 | |
| * timeless loads google.com | 16:31 | |
| ustunozgur | search for stg. then try to refine the search input. | 16:32 |
| timeless | juhaz: predicting model numbers is even harder than predicting schedules | 16:32 |
| timeless | don't assume 900 | 16:32 |
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| Juhaz | I don't, note the whatever. they don't matter anyway | 16:32 |
| timeless | ustunozgur: ok, so i'm @google.com, "now what" | 16:33 |
| timeless | i'm not signed in | 16:33 |
| ustunozgur | ok. search for something. | 16:33 |
| timeless | (note: google.com, en-us) | 16:33 |
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| jarlen_ | anyone got any experience with fuse on N800? | 16:33 |
| timeless | what input method am i using? FKB, VKB, HKB, BT? | 16:33 |
| ustunozgur | then. in the results page, highlight the search term. | 16:33 |
| ustunozgur | the virtual keyboard will pop up. | 16:33 |
| ustunozgur | then write stg. it is not recognized. | 16:33 |
| sKaBoy | jarlen_, yes, it works fine :) | 16:34 |
| ustunozgur | if it is the case, click on backspace, then write stg. Now it will be recognized. | 16:34 |
| timeless | note: i don't have word completion in vkb | 16:34 |
| timeless | how do i "highlight" the search term? | 16:34 |
| timeless | tap, double-tap, tap+drag? | 16:34 |
| simfosho | skaboy, are u the guy who made fuseport | 16:35 |
| sp3000 | timeless: drag left seems to reproduce it | 16:35 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: start from the right. then drag alittle. | 16:35 |
| sp3000 | double tap not | 16:35 |
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| ustunozgur | sp3000: right! | 16:35 |
| sp3000 | usually the vkb would not come up in this case | 16:35 |
| * timeless isn't getting a vkb | 16:35 | |
| sp3000 | afair | 16:35 |
| timeless | ok, so you're triggering a selection+drag | 16:36 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:36 | |
| * timeless can't get the vkb to come up broken | 16:36 | |
| sKaBoy | simfosho, yes but it works only on os2007, for os2008 there are packages here: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/repo/dists/alpha-1/target/chinook/ BUT DON'T INSTALL THEM! they'll render your n800 unbootable.. haven't looked at it, but you can just extract the module and libraries from your desktop. Sorry but i don't really have time right now to do a easy package like fuseport for os2007 | 16:36 |
| timeless | either the vkb doesn't come up (average case), or it comes up and works (rare case) | 16:36 |
| * sp3000 is at a hl=fi | 16:37 | |
| * timeless is afraid of hl=fi | 16:37 | |
| ustunozgur | timeless: dragging from the right to the left of the start doesn't help? | 16:37 |
| timeless | /ctcp sp3000 GPS | 16:37 |
| sp3000 | I can't get drag selection happening on the initial load | 16:38 |
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| timeless | first drag select at hl=fi gave me a perfect selection, a vkb, and it worked | 16:38 |
| sp3000 | but if I tap in the field (vkb appears) tap outside (vkb disappears) drag-select from right to left outside field (vkb appears) type (no input in field) | 16:38 |
| hendry | oh no, i forgot my root password. is there a default one? | 16:39 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to trigger the connection manager to connect to irc or gmail from commandline? | 16:39 |
| timeless | hendry: yes, but it doesn't matter | 16:39 |
| timeless | you can't use it in general | 16:39 |
| timeless | infobot capture-root | 16:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, capture-root is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb | 16:39 |
| timeless | hendry: install sshd, install capture-root (follow instructions) | 16:39 |
| ustunozgur | sp3000: so, as you suggested, double tap works. In that case, would this be a bug? Maybe it is intended so. It is usually much easier for me to drag it from the right to select however. | 16:40 |
| timeless | ustunozgur: figuring out what the ui spec says, what it means, and whether it makes sense are all very complicated problems | 16:41 |
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| sp3000 | selection drags that end outside the text field are odd | 16:41 |
| timeless | oh, is this drag ending outside? | 16:41 |
| timeless | my drags ended inside | 16:41 |
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| ustunozgur | btw. the drag from right works on yahoo. | 16:42 |
| timeless | try disabling js and then using yahoo | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I don't really consider leftward drags in left-aligned fields selecting everything ending inside the field humanly possible | 16:43 |
| timeless | you just don't have nails :) | 16:43 |
| sp3000 | /I/ can do it fine ;) | 16:43 |
| hendry | timeless: i've installed sshd before, i've must have changed the password and i've forgotten what i've changed it to | 16:43 |
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| timeless | hendry: if ssh+sshd are installed, capture-root is sufficient | 16:44 |
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| ustunozgur | sp3000: btw i am a lefty, can it be the case that i assume dragging towards left more natural? or is it that the text ends there? | 16:44 |
| sp3000 | (well, with a stylus) | 16:44 |
| * timeless wonders what a stylus is | 16:44 | |
| timeless | ustunozgur: i'm a lefty too | 16:44 |
| * timeless doesn't know of anyone who drags to the right | 16:45 | |
| * timeless should go survey some people | 16:45 | |
| sp3000 | ustunozgur: I'm sure everyone drags from right in this case because the drag start target is huge in that case and just one half character in the other case | 16:45 |
| ustunozgur | sp3000: ok then, the verdict should be that it is a bug. | 16:45 |
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| pupnik | hah i'm being redirected to someone at nokia.de | 16:47 |
| ustunozgur | another issue: I use opera on the desktop and use search shortcuts like "g stg" or "w stg" for searches on google, wikipedia etc. | 16:47 |
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| hendry | timeless: unable to install capture-root (running chinook btw) | 16:47 |
| ustunozgur | is there a way to implement the same using microb? i am currently using opendns shorttcuts | 16:47 |
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| ustunozgur | however they dont work in every network I join. | 16:48 |
| timeless | hendry: application menu> tools>view log | 16:48 |
| timeless | sp3000: ok, someone managed to reproduce it for me here | 16:48 |
| hendry | timeless: user/.ssh must exist | 16:48 |
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| timeless | hendry: you're using scratchbox? | 16:48 |
| hendry | timeless: no, the N800 device itself | 16:49 |
| timeless | oh | 16:49 |
| timeless | right, um, read the package description :) | 16:49 |
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| timeless | you need to follow the steps in the description before you install :) | 16:49 |
| * timeless is amazed that people don't read descriptions | 16:49 | |
| * timeless should start putting offers of tshirts into descriptions | 16:49 | |
| sikor_sxe | anyone got a link handy for creating an svn repo at garage.maemo? | 16:50 |
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| timeless | sikor: it doesn't happen automatically? | 16:51 |
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| sikor_sxe | well | 16:52 |
| sikor_sxe | i can't even seem to login to the shell | 16:52 |
| sikor_sxe | :/ | 16:52 |
| sikor_sxe | is it key-only? | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | i can administer my project, but i cannot login | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | and i created it like a week ago | 16:53 |
| timeless | did you enable svn? | 16:53 |
| timeless | which project? | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | i wouldn't know where | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | xarchiver | 16:53 |
| timeless | well, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=xarchive seems to indicate it exists | 16:54 |
| sikor_sxe | well i guess it's created then | 16:54 |
| sikor_sxe | then i just have to import it | 16:54 |
| timeless | i've always logged into garage using password (not key) | 16:54 |
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| hendry | thanks for your help btw timeless | 17:00 |
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| * timeless frowns | 17:07 | |
| timeless | bergie: do you know anything about garage? | 17:07 |
| timeless | garage claims to host 469 projects, but my automated scripts can only find 384 svn's | 17:07 |
| timeless | 383 actually, first line of the script is #/bin/sh :) | 17:08 |
| Knirch | timeless: #!/bin/sh | 17:08 |
| sikor_sxe | i got my svn up | 17:08 |
| timeless | knirch: whatever, i ran sh -x anyway :) | 17:08 |
| timeless | which is why i miscounted | 17:08 |
| sikor_sxe | still can't log into the shell, but whatever | 17:08 |
| timeless | sikor: i don't think there's supposed to be a shell | 17:09 |
| timeless | sikor: if you have a directory 'www' at the top level of the svn, it'll become the web server root | 17:09 |
| sikor_sxe | ah | 17:09 |
| timeless | in general, you should use tags/ branches/ trunk/ www/ | 17:09 |
| sikor_sxe | i see | 17:09 |
| Knirch | just pointing out that if that was the actual shebang, it's wrong :) (guess I could have typed that from the start instead) | 17:09 |
| timeless | stick work into trunk, web content in www/, and do useless copies into branches/ | 17:09 |
| timeless | % head -1 /tmp/grab-garage-bits.sh | 17:10 |
| timeless | #!/bin/sh | 17:10 |
| timeless | i could have copied the line, but i didn't | 17:10 |
| Knirch | :) | 17:10 |
| Knirch | then it's all good :) | 17:10 |
| timeless | well, it's not, since the script is -x | 17:10 |
| timeless | which is probably why i run it w/ sh -x :) | 17:11 |
| * timeless adds a chmod to the fun | 17:11 | |
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| |tbb| | sorry got disconnected, has anyone answered to my last question about connection manager applet | 17:12 |
| ustunozgur | why doesn't the application manager allow multiple apps to be installed? and it seems very slow and can even get stuck sometimes, leaving a process called "apt-worker" consuming %100 cpu. apt-get is fine yet the should be improved I guess. Right? | 17:12 |
| ustunozgur | the gui, that is. | 17:13 |
| timeless | what do you mean multiple apps? | 17:14 |
| fysa | a limitation in the way the underlying database is managed I believe. you cannot run more than one instance of apt simultaneously. | 17:14 |
| timeless | multiselect on maemo is such a disaster, you really don't want to think about it | 17:14 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: select more than one app at a time | 17:14 |
| timeless | ignoring that, the install feedback for when something isn't installable is fairly bad | 17:14 |
| fysa | ah, you want to checkmark them all and hit install once. | 17:14 |
| timeless | and conflicts involving installing multiple apps is probably "don't go there" territory | 17:14 |
| ustunozgur | fysa: no, you can't, howevetr if you do stg like apt-get install a b c it will install all three | 17:14 |
| ustunozgur | fysa: right | 17:15 |
| timeless | checkboxes could be added | 17:15 |
| timeless | bugs.maemo.org has a component for application manager, you could ask for it as a red pill feature | 17:15 |
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| timeless | personally, what bothers me is that after installing something, i lose my place | 17:16 |
| timeless | if that didn't happen, i wonder if you'd still want this feature | 17:16 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: probably, however this is my 5th day with the device and I enabled all the repositories on gronmayer. | 17:16 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: right that bothered me | 17:16 |
| fysa | I think they kind of fixed that in os2008? it scrolls back down to where you left off -- but I lose my place mentally. | 17:16 |
| ustunozgur | i thought it was fixed however | 17:16 |
| timeless | it might be | 17:16 |
| timeless | it certainly was broken in 2007 :) | 17:16 |
| timeless | for an end user definition of broken :) | 17:16 |
| fysa | waiting for some 5-10MB to download makes me forget what I was going to do next ;) | 17:16 |
| timeless | fysa: bah | 17:17 |
| timeless | fysa: you should probably use apt-get anyway | 17:17 |
| fysa | yeah, I know ;) | 17:17 |
| ustunozgur | fysa: similarly I hate the unability to open links in background | 17:17 |
| timeless | the real question is, what would a real end user be doing | 17:17 |
| ustunozgur | I hate wasting time waiting for the unresponsive microb. | 17:17 |
| timeless | how often do you the end user want to install 5+ things at once? | 17:17 |
| timeless | ustunozgur: what site(s)? | 17:18 |
| timeless | and have you disabled flash? | 17:18 |
| * timeless hates wasting time w/ users who use flash | 17:18 | |
| ustunozgur | timeless: wikipedia for example. | 17:18 |
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| timeless | pick a url instead of a site | 17:18 |
| ustunozgur | Say, I am reading an article, then i click some links given however i still read the article itself. | 17:18 |
| fysa | you have experience with how maemo-launcher works, timeless? | 17:19 |
| ustunozgur | So I right click open in new window then return back to the article | 17:19 |
| timeless | i wrote a patch that wasn't accepted, does that count? :) | 17:19 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: with news sites as well | 17:19 |
| fysa | it caches files(?) of certain applications? | 17:19 |
| fysa | so they launch more quickly? | 17:19 |
| timeless | kinda | 17:19 |
| timeless | what it really does is abuse fork() | 17:19 |
| ustunozgur | one usually skims all and then starts reading right? | 17:19 |
| |tbb| | timeless: after a fw upgrade | 17:19 |
| timeless | basically most libraries in maemo are used by most applications | 17:19 |
| fysa | so the memory usage of maemo-launcher itself as shown in top is not representative of wasted memory? | 17:19 |
| timeless | so by having them loaded and initialized, the fork gets to keep that state | 17:20 |
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| fysa | and it's actually memory of a child process? | 17:20 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: or for the rss reader too | 17:20 |
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| lardman | re | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | re lardman_ | 17:20 |
| timeless | fysa: i think you want to cat /proc/{pid}/cmdline | 17:21 |
| timeless | for some random maemo-launcher | 17:21 |
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| timeless | also keep in mind that top doesn't show processes | 17:21 |
| timeless | it shows threads | 17:21 |
| timeless | and all threads in a process share memory | 17:21 |
| timeless | so if the numbers look the same, they probably are the same, and don't count | 17:22 |
| timeless | note that if you open a file picker dialog, you're going to trigger a couple of gnomevfs threads | 17:22 |
| timeless | which will increase the number of lines in top output | 17:22 |
| fysa | my concern is maemo-launcher's memory usage mixed with the browser wanting all memory (103%), leading to a condition where we have excessive swap usage that may hurt performance more than maemo-launcher is helping. | 17:22 |
| timeless | well, for example | 17:23 |
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| timeless | top listed a process named "maemo-launcher" and said pid 1110 | 17:23 |
| timeless | cat /proc/1110/cmdline | 17:23 |
| timeless | /usr/bin/hildon-input-method | 17:24 |
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| timeless | it's not really "maemo-launcher", it's just because of the way fork and friends work that the process name in top is maemo-launcher | 17:24 |
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| timeless | in this case, it's really some stupid "input method" | 17:24 |
| timeless | (who needs input methods, why doesn't everyone use ssh!) | 17:24 |
| ustunozgur | on a second thought, selecting multiple applications is not that much of a concern. However since the device is new, I wanted to test as much applications as I could in a short time, that bugged me for the first a few days. But now everything is settled, it is not that much of a problem, given the backup utility backs up the installed apps list too. | 17:24 |
| fysa | right | 17:25 |
| ustunozgur | I haven't tried that yet however .Does it simply keep the sources.list and dpkg selections? | 17:25 |
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| fysa | that's what I thought you meant, thanks for clearing it up | 17:25 |
| timeless | ustunozgur: right initial install is arguably not worth the complexity for the average case | 17:25 |
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| timeless | ustunozgur: it actually , at least when originally shipped /almost/ worked, but failed spectacularly | 17:26 |
| ustunozgur | or does one need to backup .debs too? | 17:26 |
| timeless | because the restore doesn't enable the extras repo | 17:26 |
| timeless | you can have the debs saved to the internal mmc1 | 17:26 |
| timeless | 2 | 17:26 |
| timeless | but i suspect since it's talking to the repo, if the repo lists a different thing, you won't benefit from that | 17:27 |
| |tbb| | whats the name of connection-manager applet that one which is in the upper bar (green ball)? | 17:27 |
| timeless | presence | 17:27 |
| timeless | but it's not connection-manager related | 17:27 |
| czr | omniscience! | 17:27 |
| czr | hey timeless | 17:27 |
| timeless | hi czr, you back in the scary world? | 17:27 |
| czr | no. still in la-la-land | 17:28 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to trigger it to disconnect or connect to the accounts | 17:28 |
| czr | starting my 22 hour journey back tomorrow | 17:28 |
| timeless | bah, install mxr.maemo.org deb and play w/ mxr.maemo.org :) | 17:28 |
| timeless | tbb: that in generally won't affect your actual network connection | 17:28 |
| timeless | which is controlled by the wifi/phone indicator (called "connectivity" or icd) | 17:29 |
| timeless | czr: pleasant journey | 17:29 |
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| czr | timeless, right :-) & thanks | 17:29 |
| czr | three flights | 17:29 |
| timeless | wow, that's a lot, what's the path? | 17:29 |
| czr | ample time at airports. what could be more pleasant :-) | 17:29 |
| timeless | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (41769 bytes received so far) [sender] | 17:30 |
| czr | jax -> detroit -> amsterdam -> helsinki | 17:30 |
| czr | there's also a flight from atl direct to helsinki but that'd mean 4 hours more driving from here and my chauffeurs didn't want to do that.. | 17:30 |
| timeless | heh | 17:30 |
| ustunozgur | timeless: ok, thanks for the warning that extra repos don't work with backup. | 17:30 |
| timeless | ustiunozgur: note, i have no idea if that still applies in the 50 release | 17:31 |
| timeless | it was blogged by the main dev as a sad goof | 17:31 |
| timeless | but i don't know if he had a way to fix it | 17:31 |
| * timeless is fairly certain it was a specified feature, and those things tend to be fairly hard to change | 17:31 | |
| timeless | basically if you flash, skip the restore, enable extras, and then restore, i think things probably should work | 17:32 |
| timeless | although, um... i haven't flashed yet :) | 17:32 |
| ustunozgur | in fact, given the multitude of repos I currently have, I am quite amazed that the device can still work without conflicts. | 17:32 |
| ustunozgur | btw shouldn't it be easily done the manual way, i.e. backing up the sources.list and getting selecting with dpkg? | 17:33 |
| jott | pupnik: any new information from nokia.de? | 17:33 |
| timeless | application manager treats sources.list as writeonly ;) | 17:33 |
| pupnik | yes they just called me | 17:34 |
| pupnik | they hadn't gotten any info from nokia about the codes and just recently found out about it themselves | 17:34 |
| |tbb| | hmmh, havent found infos about that omniscience. | 17:34 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf#6 | 17:34 |
| timeless | shows the files they actually use | 17:35 |
| pupnik | they confirmed that they have not activated any codes, and the lady just informed me that she had no indication that the codes would *ever* be activated in germany | 17:35 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemol.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf | 17:35 |
| script | pupnik: *sigh* | 17:35 |
| timeless | er | 17:35 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/hildon-application-manager.conf | 17:35 |
| timeless | for those of you w/ mxr-maemo-org-dns | 17:35 |
| jott | pupnik: they seem to have good internal communications... | 17:35 |
| czr | |tbb|, you're supposed to know about it without searching.. | 17:36 |
| timeless | jott: http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+connecting+people&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: They are going to work. There are some companies that have made a deal with Nokia so that they can offer you a discount if you use their promo code.. | 17:36 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: has yours turned up? | 17:37 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/src/hildon-application-manager-merge-catalogues.cc#48 | 17:37 |
| lardman | Jaffa: mine would have done had my doorbell been working | 17:37 |
| fysa | is there an x86 maemo? | 17:37 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.2/src/hildon-application-manager-merge-catalogues.cc#48 | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: And those generate more sales than we combined. | 17:37 |
| pupnik | X-Fade: ok if you have any info about what us germans should do, please let me know | 17:37 |
| timeless | fysa: what do you mean? | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: No, I don't have any more info. But it will be fixed.. eventually.. | 17:38 |
| fysa | I am putting together a touchscreen wall-mounted machine for the living room, and hildon would make a nice interface. | 17:38 |
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| lardman | fysa: sounds cool | 17:38 |
| jott | pupnik: could you convince them to talk with finland (or some other authority) or do they just say, that they don't care? | 17:38 |
| |tbb| | czr ? | 17:39 |
| czr | |tbb|, the omniscience bit was a joke.. | 17:39 |
| pupnik | jott: well they just became aware of the issue, but they don't drive the process. it is up to nokia (fi) to implement, and the german shop was not informed of this stuff | 17:40 |
| pupnik | So at least i found out one thing, it's not that nokia.de has received instructions to implement the codes, and has just sat on the job. (according to their accounts) | 17:42 |
| fysa | (coincidentally, x86 maemo would also prove a nice menlow OS) | 17:42 |
| pupnik | menlow will eat batteries and get crap reviews because of it | 17:43 |
| pupnik | compared to omap devices at least | 17:44 |
| jott | well the question seems now: whom to contact at nokia (fi), so some kind of action will be taken?! | 17:44 |
| fysa | better than running ubuntu at 200dpi ;) | 17:45 |
| fysa | (or worse) | 17:45 |
| fysa | I don't know what advances we'll see in the ARM camp, but the x86 is obviously marching toward smaller/lighter/more efficient and eventually it will get there. | 17:46 |
| fysa | if not this round, then the next or the one after.. | 17:46 |
| pupnik | jott, there's not a lot we can do IMO. Have you checked to see if your code works in any other european stores (IT, NL, BE)? | 17:46 |
| czr | fysa, depends on what you mean by advances. ARM has been designed for low power devices for ages. | 17:47 |
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| czr | fysa, if you want performance, you'll have hard time finding an ARM implementation that has been optimized for that. | 17:47 |
| pupnik | I'd be happy with a N810 from an english-layout country as well (UK... others?) | 17:47 |
| fysa | and while hildon+firefox run passably at 128MB w/400MHz, 1GHz+ w/1GB RAM would absolutely scream. | 17:47 |
| czr | x86 on the other hand has been designed to .. well.. I guess no one really knows anymore what it was designed for :-) | 17:47 |
| jott | pupnik: not yet. i guess nl would be the best option as they seem to deliver german keyboard layouts anway ;-) | 17:47 |
| * timeless frowns | 17:47 | |
| * timeless can't figure out garage | 17:48 | |
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| |tbb| | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14530 so if thats correct what they writing, its more important for me how to disable it from commandline | 17:48 |
| fysa | indeed, czr | 17:48 |
| * czr hears a garage door opening | 17:48 | |
| fysa | not an intel fanboy or anything, but the market trend is obviously smaller/faster/more efficient -- there will be a point where x86 chipset is faster and more efficient than the current armel, there's no doubting that. and when that happens, the hildon-UI will be perfectly usable on any linuxable tablet with a similar touchscreen/display dpi. | 17:50 |
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| jott | pupnik: question is: do they deliver to germany at all - and how much shipping costs would we have to pay... | 17:50 |
| zoran | fysa, talking about small factor device? | 17:51 |
| czr | well, fysa, intel also has strongarm :-) | 17:51 |
| fysa | that's what menlow is.. | 17:51 |
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| lardman | I thought they'd sold their arm stuff? | 17:52 |
| fysa | they have 1.7GHz x86 using 4 watts under load, less than a watt at idle | 17:52 |
| fysa | I believe. | 17:52 |
| jott | pupnik: and.. how what kind of warranty we could claim... | 17:53 |
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| czr | less than watt idle is not very good though | 17:53 |
| fysa | dude | 17:53 |
| fysa | stop talking about tech shit | 17:53 |
| fysa | :) | 17:53 |
| czr | I'd like to see a almost static design :-) | 17:53 |
| fysa | we're not arguing technical abilities of chipsets.. | 17:54 |
| fysa | http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/07/gigabyte_mid.jpg | 17:54 |
| czr | I much prefer silicon based shit to the carbon based one :-) | 17:54 |
| fysa | haha | 17:54 |
| czr | true :-) | 17:54 |
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| fysa | ^^ that's what my point is. | 17:54 |
| * czr nods | 17:54 | |
| fysa | that device is begging for hildon. hildon seems slightly too heavy for the devices we have it on now, but it would likely be a dream.. and this year we are going to have a load of people wanting to run Linux on those devices. | 17:55 |
| fysa | the question is, does maemo want them? | 17:55 |
| fysa | I don't think they do.. | 17:55 |
| fysa | but they will want maemo. | 17:55 |
| czr | you'd be better asking that question from gnome mobile I guess | 17:55 |
| czr | canonical too | 17:55 |
| fysa | I'm hoping Nokia has some ideas for faster armel chipsets.. | 17:56 |
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| pupnik | OMAP3430 can co up to over 1 GHZ | 17:56 |
| lardman | it'll need bigger batteries in that case | 17:57 |
| lardman | why do you need a faster processor anyway? | 17:57 |
| pupnik | yes there are two varieties of OMAP3430 fab | 17:57 |
| fysa | or a new processor.. | 17:57 |
| lardman | or enable the powervr... :) | 17:57 |
| fysa | http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/02/14/breaking-news-tis-omap-3430-processor-adds-hd-to-phones/ | 17:58 |
| lardman | decoding HD movies? | 17:58 |
| pupnik | for the evil craptacular websites, and for the bloaty stuff users want to port from pc land, and for high-def 800x480 media | 17:58 |
| fysa | two years later, we're almost due.. | 17:58 |
| fysa | haha, yeah | 17:58 |
| fysa | there is a whole world of bloaty goodness waiting to be hogged | 17:58 |
| fysa | mame.. | 17:58 |
| lardman | pupnik: the bloaty stuff needs to be disuaded somehow | 17:58 |
| fysa | emulators.. | 17:59 |
| fysa | java vm | 17:59 |
| fysa | tabs ;) | 17:59 |
| lardman | fysa: why can't a Java vm run on it as is? | 17:59 |
| pupnik | lardman: i agree that well-coded is much better, but high performance hardware opens up more doors, and with the 3430 you don't sacrifice battery life | 17:59 |
| fysa | java vm could/may run fine now, no question -- just associating things with bloaty | 18:00 |
| lardman | pupnik: perhaps, but only if you run at the current clock I imagine | 18:00 |
| fysa | a well designed system will only use the power required by the current load | 18:00 |
| fysa | I want to be able to run 800MHz when my application demands, because obviously I don't care about battery life at that moment or I wouldn't be running it. ;) | 18:01 |
| czr | fysa, all the advances in speed will be used by yet more bloated software, so don't worry, you'll never find your grail ;-) | 18:01 |
| pupnik | sure, but as lardman suggests, if the apps that don't need much cpu hog a lot of cpu, they'll be wasting battery | 18:01 |
| lardman | yeah, but if almost no sw needs the full speed, then they'll go for something cheaper and slower | 18:01 |
| pupnik | man that is some real old news fysa :) | 18:01 |
| * czr remembers his first x86, running at a whopping 10 MHz | 18:02 | |
| fysa | aha | 18:02 |
| fysa | OMP3430 is 65nm | 18:02 |
| fysa | OMAP3430.. | 18:02 |
| fysa | maybe we will see a 45nm version. | 18:02 |
| czr | an instructions took many cycles to complete anyway | 18:02 |
| ustunozgur | does booting from mmc really make the device faster? | 18:02 |
| ustunozgur | what are the disadvantages? | 18:03 |
| fysa | "# OMAP3430 - ARM Cortex A8 + ISP (Image Signal Processor) + PowerVR SGX 535 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator + IVA2+ (Imaging and Video Accelerator). Will be manufactured in 65 nm and later in 45 nm." | 18:03 |
| czr | "for really small people" | 18:03 |
| lardman | ISP sounds interesting, in addition to IVA2 | 18:03 |
| fysa | OMAP3420 (expected in 2008) - ARM Cortex A8 + ISP (Image Signal Processor) + PowerVR SGX 535 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator + IVA2 (Imaging and Video Accelerator). Will be manufactured in 65 nm and later in 45 nm. | 18:03 |
| lardman | but I doubt we'll see anything using those until the chip is >5 years old and there's some information available about it | 18:04 |
| fysa | so.. there's your Nokia timeline. ;) | 18:04 |
| lardman | anything Linux that is | 18:04 |
| fysa | oh, that's a different core CPU? | 18:05 |
| lardman | still arm just next gen | 18:06 |
| fysa | ARM Cortex A8 ~= ARM11? | 18:06 |
| kulve | nope | 18:06 |
| fysa | byte compatible? | 18:06 |
| lardman | yes, they tend to be backward compatible | 18:06 |
| kulve | arm11 == arv6, cortex == armv7 | 18:06 |
| fysa | ah | 18:06 |
| tank-man | ustunozgur, i think the advantages are being able to have a bigger root partition | 18:07 |
| tank-man | to install more apps | 18:07 |
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| ustunozgur | tank-man: doesn't constant access corrupt sd's? | 18:07 |
| tank-man | i dont think so, where are you getting that info? | 18:08 |
| lardman | Slightly OT, but anyone got a dlink DNS-323? | 18:08 |
| ustunozgur | tank-man: well b/c sd's have a maximum read/write cycle no? | 18:10 |
| tank-man | well isnt the internal memory flash as well? | 18:11 |
| ustunozgur | right | 18:12 |
| pupnik | and you can replace cards | 18:13 |
| ustunozgur | ok, so it seems to be worth the effort. | 18:14 |
| michele_ | does martin grimme hang on here? | 18:14 |
| michele_ | mediabox's author | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | lardman: wife hasn't mentioned it arriving, but I used the cheap delivery | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | pycage is his nick, if he did IIRC | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | infobot: seen pycage | 18:16 |
| infobot | Jaffa: i haven't seen 'pycage' | 18:16 |
| michele_ | The nickname [pycage] is not registered | 18:17 |
| michele_ | guess not | 18:17 |
| zoran | Jaffa talks to AI | 18:17 |
| lardman | Jaffa: you'd better make sure you get to it before her! | 18:17 |
| fysa | lardman: I don't own one, but played with one last week.. | 18:17 |
| lardman | fysa: I'm after a NAS which I can run the Topfield link sw on, but also need to support a wifi usb dongle which that one doesn't appear to do (yet) | 18:18 |
| fysa | even with the uclinux? | 18:19 |
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| zoran | linksys nslu2? | 18:19 |
| fysa | no experience with topfield.. | 18:19 |
| lardman | fysa: not a standard kernel, would need some hacking | 18:20 |
| lardman | zoran: I'd prefer to go for internal HDDs | 18:20 |
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| fysa | you check Netgear? | 18:20 |
| zoran | ah, they have newer version, with inner hdd now | 18:20 |
| lardman | fysa: it's just a command line app, all i need is to be able to ssh into the box from the www | 18:20 |
| fysa | they were doing more Linuxy stuff on some of their newer NAS. | 18:21 |
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| lardman | Ah, Netgear SC101 (IDE but still) | 18:21 |
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| fysa | thehttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3943657768.html | 18:22 |
| fysa | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3943657768.html | 18:22 |
| fysa | oh, that's higher end. | 18:22 |
| lardman | yeah, not sure I have 4Tb of mp3s just yet :) | 18:23 |
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| fysa | Buffalo Tech also maybe | 18:23 |
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| fysa | http://www.engadget.com/2004/10/28/buffalotechs-linux-network-area-storage-kuro-box/ | 18:23 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps just some kernel hacking on the Dlink one, it does look like it ticks all the other boxes | 18:23 |
| fysa | same/similar to NSLU2 but has internal drive? | 18:24 |
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| fysa | they may have a newer release of it.. | 18:25 |
| lardman | I'm sure I looked at that and it's hard in the uk to get a kuro and the normal Buffalo one isn't supported as the chipset changed. iirc | 18:25 |
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| lardman | ah well, thanks for the suggestions, time to go to visit the ups depot and collect the N810 | 18:25 |
| lardman | :) | 18:25 |
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| fysa | gl | 18:27 |
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| sikor_sxe | what is the easiest way to take screenshots on os2008? | 18:30 |
| truls | camera | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | sikor_sxe: instal load-applet | 18:32 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows how to control osso-applet-presence from shell? | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | what replaced osso-screenshot-tool in os2008? | 18:33 |
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| ustunozgur | sikor_sxe: btw load-applet puts the screenshots in the images folder. | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | right, and it *overrides existing ones* | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | it starts numbering from 0 every time you restart | 18:35 |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: the sdk repo has a 'screenshot-tool' | 18:35 |
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| mgedmin | is it a good idea to use the sdk repo directly on the device? | 18:35 |
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| * mgedmin thinks the answer is either "no" or "yes, if you're careful" | 18:35 | |
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| * sp3000 thinks that's probably about the right answer range | 18:36 | |
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| sp3000 | I just fetch individual debs if I want something from the sdk repo on the device | 18:36 |
| sp3000 | but that's a kind of weird situation | 18:37 |
| timeless | sp3000: got a minute? | 18:37 |
| sp3000 | yes | 18:37 |
| * timeless is trying to figure out what to do when about:contributors has dozens of entries | 18:38 | |
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| * dhd just ordered an N810 | 18:38 | |
| Robot101 | good choice | 18:42 |
| zoran | bmw 725 is even better | 18:43 |
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| mgedmin | but does it fit into a pocket? | 18:44 |
| * timeless frowns | 18:44 | |
| timeless | sp3000? | 18:44 |
| sp3000 | ¿ | 18:44 |
| zoran | mgedmin, yes, if it is big enough | 18:45 |
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| * czr imagines zoran's pants | 18:45 | |
| timeless | data:text/xml,<?xml%20version="1.0"%20encoding="UTF-8"?><!DOCTYPE%20html%20PUBLIC%20"-//W3C//DTD%20XHTML%201.1//EN"%20"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd"><html%20xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head><title>1</title><script%20src='data:application/javascript,window.title=2'></script></head><body>1</body></html> | 18:46 |
| timeless | sp3000: try loading that page in fx | 18:46 |
| timeless | select all, right click, view selection source | 18:46 |
| sp3000 | head is in selection? | 18:48 |
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| timeless | sp3000: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/299255 | 18:51 |
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| timeless | (the url grew a bit long...) | 18:51 |
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| * sp3000 isn't sure what to make of that | 18:57 | |
| sp3000 | it only included the text node? | 18:57 |
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| timeless | sp3000: <script /> isn't legal | 18:59 |
| timeless | so the parser complains | 18:59 |
| sp3000 | ah, that | 18:59 |
| timeless | ok, fun problem | 18:59 |
| timeless | how do i encode an appid into an id field? | 18:59 |
| timeless | or do i not bother? | 18:59 |
| czr | encode an apple instead! | 19:00 |
| czr | apples are tasty | 19:00 |
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| pupnik | 19:27 | |
| pupnik | cool mplayer on the nokia can do msnbc live streams? mms://msnbc.wm.llnwd.net/msnbc_6_live_8828 | 19:28 |
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| melmoth | is it me or si there no gpe calendar for os2008 (yet?) | 19:33 |
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| LoCusF | there is | 19:38 |
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| skibur | what is the meaning of life today? | 19:56 |
| czr | 17 + 23. | 19:56 |
| hedgecore | +2 | 19:58 |
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| czr | neh. 42 is a myth | 19:58 |
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| CrashandDie | hey everyone | 20:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | hey crash (and everyone else) | 20:01 |
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| CrashandDie | man I can't wait to get my tablet | 20:02 |
| lcuk_2 | you havent got one at all yet? | 20:02 |
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| CrashandDie | nha | 20:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | ahhh | 20:03 |
| CrashandDie | There is one at school I'll be using for dev | 20:03 |
| CrashandDie | but the usage is kinda limited | 20:03 |
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| CrashandDie | Well, I can do whatever I want with it, but at the end of the day, it's going back into its box, so... | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | if your doin dev on school one what are u gonna do on home one | 20:04 |
| CrashandDie | well other sort of dev :) | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 20:04 |
| CrashandDie | and just having fun with it | 20:04 |
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| lcuk_2 | in the week before i got my 810 i was looking for a dev env | 20:04 |
| CrashandDie | I already have 2 laptops, but one is heavily wired it's a pain to move it | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | i signed up for trolltech qt evaluation thingy | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | and today t work i got a call from them | 20:05 |
| CrashandDie | what gives ? | 20:05 |
| lcuk_2 | "hi its blahblah from cold northern country, how are you doing, are you ready to buy yet" | 20:05 |
| CrashandDie | lulz | 20:05 |
| lcuk_2 | me: (sheepishly) ermmmmmm i evaluated it and decided on python + gtk | 20:06 |
| * lcuk_2 never even got to install it | 20:06 | |
| mgedmin | heh | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | pygtk rules | 20:06 |
| lcuk_2 | indeed it does | 20:06 |
| CrashandDie | never been a big python fan | 20:06 |
| CrashandDie | well, never got into it so | 20:06 |
| penguinbait | me either | 20:07 |
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| CrashandDie | is there a java port for maemo ? | 20:07 |
| CrashandDie | or c# ? | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | java: probably not, c# (or, more specifically, mono): maybe | 20:08 |
| lcuk_2 | dun think so properly - mono works ive heard but not fantastically | 20:08 |
| lcuk_2 | hang on, i have seen a java package | 20:09 |
| lcuk_2 | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo | 20:10 |
| * lcuk_2 sees a lot and has a google like brain | 20:11 | |
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| CrashandDie | lcuk_2, could you then draw me all the pictures you've seen meeting the keyword "hello", order them by size, and alert me whenever there's something new you see with "hello" in it? | 20:16 |
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| lcuk_2 | no but my gf is a librarian and loves ordering and arranging things | 20:17 |
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| lcuk_2 | and does google order by size? | 20:17 |
| lcuk_2 | "select from boobies order by cupsize desc" | 20:18 |
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| CrashandDie | heh | 20:22 |
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| CrashandDie | lcuk_2, LIMIT 20, 10, else you're going to down the whole server... Must be quite a lot of pics | 20:23 |
| script | lcuk_2: your girlfriend is a librarian? - ha .. sounds like xkcd ;) | 20:24 |
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| jonek | CrashandDie: there are multiple Java ports for internet tablets. See phoneMEAdvanced and Sebstian Manckes Jalimo. | 20:32 |
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| CrashandDie | jonek, I will, thanks | 20:32 |
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| Cord | Germany: discount codes work | 20:58 |
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| pupnik | hooray! thanks to whoever put in overtime today! :) | 20:59 |
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| ywwg | Right now when I create a .desktop file for my application it always shows up in the "Extras" category. How do I get it to show up under "Internet?" I tried setting the "Categories" field in the .desktop file but that didn't do it | 21:04 |
| skibur | creating a startup screen for the nokia | 21:06 |
| skibur | maemo is debian | 21:06 |
| inz | ywwg, there's a program you can call in your postinst that shows a dialog which allows the user to choose the category | 21:07 |
| inz | ywwg, you could also create a program that uses libhildon(menu|desktop) to move it ;) | 21:07 |
| jsmith | Any way to add additional categories? | 21:07 |
| ds3 | is it possible for a BTPROTO_SCO socket to work on any of the 3 devices? | 21:07 |
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| * jsmith stops lurking long enough to ask an amateur question... | 21:08 | |
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| inz | jsmith, remember that you can only make first impression once ;) | 21:09 |
| ywwg | inz: thanks, I'll look around for those apis | 21:09 |
| inz | jsmith, no pressure ;) | 21:09 |
| jsmith | inz: It's all good... I'm just happy to be the proud owner of a shiny new N810 | 21:10 |
| ywwg | inz: I don't suppose you know of the name of that program I can call from postinst? | 21:11 |
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| mgedmin | ywwg: check the app developer's guide on maemo.org | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | or look in /var/lib/packages/nameofpackage.postinst if you remember a package that uses it | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | but bookmarking the maemo guide is a good idea in any case | 21:12 |
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| Robin__ | Hello Everybody | 21:22 |
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| Robin__ | Anyone there online atm/ | 21:28 |
| Robin__ | ? | 21:28 |
| Robin__ | I mean, awake? | 21:28 |
| CrashandDie | yeah | 21:28 |
| CrashandDie | sortof | 21:28 |
| Robin__ | ah | 21:29 |
| Robin__ | cool | 21:29 |
| sibbe | wtf... is the bootup progress bar just fake thingie with 10sec timeout? | 21:29 |
| Robin__ | do you hace a nokia n819? | 21:29 |
| jga23 | is there anything for maemo that will sync with google spreadsheets? in microb I can't scroll, so it's pretty much unusable | 21:29 |
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| sibbe | fb-progress -l $IMGDIR/$LOGO -g $IMGDIR/$BAR $SECS & | 21:29 |
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| jott | thanks to the ones informing the right people at nokia.de about the discount codes! and thanks to nokia too ;-) *just ordered* | 21:31 |
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| Robin__ | Do I have a terminal if I buy the n810 | 21:32 |
| Robin__ | and can I compile my own binarys? so I can run scapy and xterm? | 21:33 |
| bill2or3 | yeah | 21:33 |
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| Robin__ | really? So I hve a Terminal when I buy it? | 21:33 |
| CrashandDie | hax | 21:34 |
| CrashandDie | H4X ! | 21:34 |
| CrashandDie | Estimated delivery: Jan 10, 2008 by 6:00 PM | 21:34 |
| scibot | o_o | 21:34 |
| CrashandDie | :D | 21:34 |
| Robin__ | So I can do wget gcc and wget scrapy.arm? | 21:34 |
| bill2or3 | you can cross compile stuff, using a pc. | 21:34 |
| bill2or3 | you can't compile stuff natively right on the device. (at least not easily) | 21:34 |
| Robin__ | Yea, ok Ill compile using my Gentoo box | 21:35 |
| Robin__ | But I can put xterm on there?! :) | 21:35 |
| bill2or3 | it comes with. | 21:35 |
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| bill2or3 | uses busybox for the shell. | 21:35 |
| CrashandDie | what the media center program for maemo ? | 21:36 |
| CrashandDie | jaleno or something | 21:36 |
| Robin__ | Ah, ok cool :) | 21:36 |
| Robin__ | thanks | 21:36 |
| CrashandDie | canola :) | 21:36 |
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| Robin__ | Where can I find the Terminal so I can see it when I am in the store? | 21:36 |
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| bill2or3 | it's under 'utilities', afair. | 21:39 |
| bill2or3 | scroll to the bottom of the menu. | 21:39 |
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| Robin__ | THANKS :D | 21:40 |
| Robin__ | ^^ | 21:40 |
| bill2or3 | no problem. | 21:40 |
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| pupnik | suddenly i am happy! | 21:52 |
| pupnik | :D | 21:52 |
| k-s | anyone looked at lightmediascanner? | 21:53 |
| pupnik | I feel like a kid whose hot dog got stolen by a dog, and who then gets a replacement by the nice hotdog salesman. :D :D :D | 21:53 |
| jott | pupnik: you also had a full discount? :) | 21:53 |
| pupnik | jeah! | 21:53 |
| pupnik | suddenly i'm motivated to do some hacking | 21:54 |
| * jott too :) | 21:54 | |
| pupnik | hahaha. i am such simple creature | 21:54 |
| jott | incentives always work ;) | 21:54 |
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| nomis | pupnik: does the german shop work now? | 22:07 |
| pupnik | yes | 22:07 |
| nomis | cool. /me orders | 22:07 |
| * pupnik sings in wavering off-key | 22:08 | |
| pupnik | ~Join us now and share the software. You'll be free, hacker. You'll be free-e-e-e-e!" :D | 22:08 |
| * lcuk throws a boot at pupnik | 22:08 | |
| * mardi__ sticks fingers in ears ;) | 22:08 | |
| lcuk | pup, gether you got a nice discount then | 22:09 |
| * lcuk wonders just how much i can save by singing and hacking also | 22:10 | |
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| nomis | [x] ordered. Yay1 | 22:20 |
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| ustunozgur | I recently bought a N800 miniSync Retractable Sync and Charge Cable but it just stopped charging. When I plug it in, a notification saying "not charging" appears. Anyone with a similar experience? | 22:29 |
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| glass | what you're sticking it into? | 22:30 |
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| dhd | lardman: hello! | 22:31 |
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| florian | re | 22:40 |
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| ustunozgur | well, retracting the cable solved my problem :) seems that the cable got mixed up. | 22:41 |
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| SpekTrumBash | hey i gotsss a nokia | 22:58 |
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| SpekTrumBash | all bein the skreenz a lil brusied | 22:58 |
| astro76 | ustunozgur: mixed up? that doesn't sound good | 22:58 |
| SpekTrumBash | and the sime card tasted like k@ktis fewd | 22:58 |
| astro76 | ustunozgur: is that the boxwave cable? | 22:59 |
| SpekTrumBash | its all purplier bio gammetic | 22:59 |
| SpekTrumBash | can u flash my nokia ?! | 22:59 |
| SpekTrumBash | imgonnna exlose | 22:59 |
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| SpekTrumBash | !!!!! | 23:00 |
| SpekTrumBash | YYYYY | 23:00 |
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| ustunozgur | astro76: the cable rolled on itself, there was a nod. | 23:00 |
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| dragorn | well that's behaviour you could stop at any time | 23:01 |
| SpekTrumBash | adg | 23:01 |
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| SpekTrumBash | gj | 23:01 |
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| ustunozgur | astro76: it is this one. works currently. | 23:01 |
| SpekTrumBash | hk | 23:01 |
| ustunozgur | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-miniSync-Retractable-Charge-Cable/dp/B000UOO7NW/ref=pd_sim_e_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1199825978&sr=8-1 | 23:02 |
| SpekTrumBash | fkljlgl | 23:02 |
| |tbb| | f*ck off | 23:02 |
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| astro76 | /ignore SpekTrumBash | 23:02 |
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| akv | ignore SpekTrumBash | 23:02 |
| SpekTrumBash | yb | 23:02 |
| akv | argh | 23:02 |
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| Mousey | astro76: i'm SO ahead of you | 23:02 |
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| dragorn | it's almost entertaining, like trying to decipher sanskrit | 23:03 |
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| SpekTrumBash | SEMI TRUE | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | i was hoping more ov a horizontal flood | 23:03 |
| jsmith | Shall we try to get an operator to kick him? | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | and higher burst speed acuracy | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | went all blarm | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | * = ? | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | define K | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | went all blarm' | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | blarm | 23:03 |
| Cord | my /ignore works. | 23:03 |
| Mousey | jsmith: just ignore him | 23:03 |
| SpekTrumBash | flaf | 23:03 |
| Mousey | yea | 23:03 |
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| Mousey | see? | 23:03 |
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| dragorn | jsmith: I was just looking for who to bug, actually, but then he went away | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | /stats p | 23:04 |
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| jsmith | dragorn: Perfect timing, eh? | 23:04 |
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| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: Ah. I was checking the freenode site. :P One of my goals in life is to remain far away from irc nonsense. :P | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was trying to rouse a staffer in another channel from idling. | 23:05 |
| Palintheus | freenode staff isn't added on the access list so they couldn't do anything unless it warrented a kline | 23:06 |
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| astro76 | ustunozgur: yeah that's the one I was thinking of | 23:08 |
| |tbb| | dragorn could i ask u something ? | 23:09 |
| astro76 | ustunozgur: knots shouldn't effect it, sounds like there's a break | 23:09 |
| pupnik | knots media server? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | In a cable, pupnik. | 23:10 |
| * mikem23 is about to flash his n800 | 23:10 | |
| ustunozgur | astro76: I actually don't know. The cable was too long, so I retracted it and then it worked. It had not been working for the last two days. | 23:10 |
| mikem23 | any advise? | 23:10 |
| mikem23 | err advice, even? | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, backup what you've got and then flash away? | 23:10 |
| ustunozgur | astro76: And I pulled out the cable to see whether it works, and I couldn't, happily, reproduce the problem | 23:11 |
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| mikem23 | I used the built in backup, and I don't think I've done anything too major that wouldn't be covered by that. I'll have to re-root and reinstall a few things | 23:11 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows if there is a keyboard reassign gui for n810 out there allready? | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | tbb ive seen a few ppl using xmodmap and another lower level key mod thing but nothing gui | 23:14 |
| lcuk | what you after changing? | 23:14 |
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| * lcuk wants a tab key (will use central d pad click) | 23:17 | |
| lcuk | tbb - take a look here for some ideas http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 23:18 |
| |tbb| | so then i have to use xmodmap also to add tab | 23:18 |
| lcuk | this guy used a 2key shift something combo for tab, thats no good for me, but the D pad fire button is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard where it is so it might as well become a tab key | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | when i started looking last night i couldnt edit the file they mentioned in another post on the same site because i think i need root (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44) | 23:20 |
| |tbb| | i found the keyboard as enter also usefull | 23:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/27/redirection-and-other-characters-on-the-n810/ | 23:20 |
| lcuk | never touched it | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | rarely have the kb open unless i am typing | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | i think its poorly designed and they could have made better use of the space by leaving the D outside | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ive seen one with just a nipple outside which looks nice and doesn't waste space | 23:22 |
| v-v | Hello, Is there anyone using exaille on os2008? If yes does the volume bar/slider works normally or it just turns the audio on and off near the 50% position? | 23:22 |
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| |tbb| | lcuk you also could add shortcuts trough bluetooth keyboard shortcuts under control panel | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | thought that was just for a bt keyboard so ignored it | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | ill have a tinkle later | 23:23 |
| * lcuk has lost his 810 to a majong playing goddess | 23:24 | |
| mikem23 | hmm | 23:24 |
| Cord | praise your local gods! | 23:24 |
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| sparrw | im side-grading from a 770 to a gp2x soon. i wish nokia would realize that even modest gaming-layout controls on a device would double its market. give me a decent d-pad and a couple of buttons on the other side of the screen! | 23:25 |
| pupnik | yaay sparrw | 23:25 |
| mikem23 | the output of the flash utility looks good, but the tablet does not seem to be rebooting automatically as the doc says | 23:25 |
| lcuk | its a bit lat for that sparrw lol | 23:25 |
| pupnik | of course the gp2x is useless for web and productive stuff | 23:25 |
| lcuk | push for the next model, but youre meant to speak up before they releae it ;) | 23:25 |
| mikem23 | I got the "Finishing flashing...done" message | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikem23: did you do -R? | 23:26 |
| mikem23 | GeneralAntilles, yes | 23:26 |
| lcuk | gp2x is same cpu isnt it? except with drivers for the 3d? | 23:26 |
| sparrw | pupnik: i disagree, but thats subjective. | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | capital R? | 23:26 |
| mikem23 | yes | 23:26 |
| pupnik | no no no, no 3d, older Arm920 cpu | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 23:26 |
| sparrw | lcuk: gp2x has two older ARM cores. no 3d hardware, but decent software 3d | 23:26 |
| mikem23 | safe to reboot manually, you think | 23:26 |
| lcuk | fairysnuff | 23:26 |
| sparrw | but thats moot. what it has thats important is a good d-pad and buttons laid out for gaming | 23:26 |
| mikem23 | I'd hate to brick it | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | At worst, you'll just have to flash again. | 23:27 |
| pupnik | yeah for open-source gaming and emulation gp2x is great sparrw | 23:27 |
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| sparrw | i can do web and productivity stuff on the gp2x with a little effort. i cant game on the maemo devices at all | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Getting good Wiimote drivers would be fairly awesome. | 23:27 |
| pupnik | oh right, web on a gp2x | 23:27 |
| sparrw | i had a gp2x. ported some games, wrote some demos. then it got stolen. getting a new one soon. | 23:27 |
| deejoe | any network on that thing? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | gen - wiimote is supportable now isnt it? | 23:27 |
| * lcuk read something | 23:27 | |
| sparrw | gp2x has unpowered usb host, you can do ethernet or wifi with that and some power | 23:28 |
| |tbb| | ive add fn+Enter which poll screen to fullsize and back | 23:28 |
| sparrw | it USED to have usbnet client, but thats gone in the new version | 23:28 |
| |tbb| | fn+backspace shows desktop | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | tbb - is that with the bluetooth editor thing | 23:29 |
| lcuk | or xmod? | 23:29 |
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| |tbb| | ctrl + dpad opens menu | 23:29 |
| |tbb| | yeah | 23:29 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:29 |
| lcuk | will try it | 23:29 |
| lcuk | sounds simpler than root and hack | 23:30 |
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| Tak | sparrw: we could use more emulator and game porters... ;-) | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | cyas later and ta for info | 23:30 |
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| Cord | lcuk: want to be ignored too? | 23:32 |
| lcuk | oh god | 23:32 |
| |tbb| | hmmh next flooder | 23:32 |
| lcuk | sorry... 4 year old | 23:32 |
| * lcuk dragged him off | 23:33 | |
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| lcuk | he wants to copy his dad :D he was sat on my knee | 23:33 |
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| Cord | lcuk: send him/her to bed. mine are sleeping too. | 23:33 |
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| zetheroo | is there a way that I can download maps from Google Street onto my Linux laptop and then transfer them to my N800 for mapper to use? | 23:33 |
| lcuk | where do you think i vanished to - its bed time for both of them except one excaped | 23:33 |
| zetheroo | cause it takes too bloody long for mapper to download them | 23:34 |
| Cord | lcuk :-) | 23:34 |
| |tbb| | 4 years old means much older as SpekTrumBash | 23:34 |
| * lcuk invests in a lasoo | 23:34 | |
| Tak | railgun works equally well | 23:34 |
| lcuk | lol thats a bit messy | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | anyway, prefer portal gun | 23:35 |
| Tak | eh, just turn off the gibs | 23:35 |
| zetheroo | anyone? | 23:35 |
| Tak | zetheroo: dunno, sorry | 23:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, not currently, zetheroo. | 23:39 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:39 |
| Tak | buon giorno | 23:39 |
| halley | konnichiwa | 23:40 |
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| ustunozgur | lcuk: i showed the device to my gf for the first time yesterday. she kept playing mahjong for an hour :) | 23:42 |
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| inz | ustunozgur, don't install sgt-puzzles on it | 23:43 |
| Cord | WomanAcceptenceFactor++ | 23:43 |
| shackan | inz: sgt-puzzles doesn't install for me on 2008 | 23:43 |
| ustunozgur | lnz: well seeing that she liked the device a lot, I installed all the games I found :) | 23:43 |
| inz | shackan, oh, wonder what I've done wrong then... | 23:44 |
| ustunozgur | and after that, she asked for an ipod touch :) | 23:44 |
| shackan | inz: I'm wondering what *I* did wrong :D | 23:44 |
| Tak | hah | 23:45 |
| inz | shackan, I mean what I did wrong when making the package, not when installing it ;) | 23:45 |
| shackan | oh | 23:45 |
| shackan | :) | 23:45 |
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| halley | ustunozgur, told her that itouch doesn't do that? | 23:45 |
| inz | I guess I'll have to charge "my" N800 and see what's wrong with it... | 23:46 |
| inz | Well, maybe tomorrow... | 23:46 |
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| ustunozgur | halley: no :) If I told it, she would take my n800. the strange thing is, the first time she got hold of it, she asked "does it have multitouch?" :) quite a geeky gf I have. | 23:47 |
| zetheroo | GeneralAntilles: but how is it possible in Windows then? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not. | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was for 1.x | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which used a folder db for maps | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.x uses a real db for maps. | 23:48 |
| |tbb| | its multitouch with one hand she can touch n800 the other she can touch you | 23:48 |
| halley | ustunozgur, does she know what multitouch really means for an interface? | 23:49 |
| ustunozgur | no she just heard iphone had multitouch and it was great :) | 23:49 |
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| inz | ustun, that sounds totally anti-geeky | 23:50 |
| inz | ustun, if a geek heard something they were interested in was "cool", they'd browse 'nuff to get a good grasp of the concept (at least) | 23:51 |
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| ustunozgur | inz: well not trying to be chauvinistic, it was actually geeky not geek for a woman to ask such a question if her area of interest is not computer related. but then again, I won't say I have bias about my gf. | 23:53 |
| ustunozgur | +ve bias that is | 23:53 |
| |tbb| | inz do you know how i can control the presence applet from shell for example? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ust, my gf turned her nose up at iphone/pod touch - all because she couldn't type on it - "it doesnt feel right and it keeps gettin it wrong" | 23:53 |
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| inz | |tbb|, no idea, probably through D-Bus | 23:54 |
| * Tak try to decide whether to join significant-other-bragathon | 23:54 | |
| lcuk | her thumbs literally have smoke coming off them when she txts from her phone | 23:54 |
| inz | |tbb|, I think it's quite normal telepathy stuff, you could try to see if they provide some nice API | 23:54 |
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| Cord | lcuk: she's hot? ;-) | 23:54 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123584#post123584 | 23:55 |
| skibur | finished with the background | 23:55 |
| skibur | let me know what you all think | 23:56 |
| lcuk | cord, mind out of the gutter | 23:56 |
| lcuk | something tech related - why does internettablettalk (a site designed for talking about/with tablets) have the biggest pictures and graphics of any forum i have ever used? | 23:56 |
| Tak | that is a good question | 23:57 |
| Tak | this xmas, I was out of town and hit ITT from my 770 - it was painful | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i dread clicking onto it | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Classic style | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i think even slashdot rendered quicker (sometimes) | 23:58 |
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| elb | why do forums have graphics | 23:58 |
| elb | and why to the SUCK SO BAD | 23:58 |
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| elb | I could probably come up with a worse format for group discussion if I tried, but it would take me a while | 23:59 |
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| Tak | yeah, I have classic style, but I have to log in first... | 23:59 |
| lcuk | ski | 23:59 |
| lcuk | you just made me think of something | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | my NIT is awful at startup cos its blindingly white | 23:59 |
| skibur | nice | 23:59 |
| lcuk | do these startups just go in place | 23:59 |
| lcuk | would like to change and use yours if thats ok | 23:59 |
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