IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-11-07

p||R: too much expensive for me i think...00:00
sp3000unit42: bug 2226 if yoyu find one and want to dup00:00
sp3000you even00:00
|Rhttp://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=28 <- i really want a guerilla setup like this :D00:00
GeneralAntillesJust buy yourself the fastest 8gb you can find on newegg.00:00
||cwhow fast is hte n800 controler?  the 770 rs-mmc is pretty slow00:01
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p|as i have read on ITT, is better for the battery life, to have relative small SD always inserted00:02
p|and the big one , on the external slot when needed00:02
GeneralAntillesNot sure what they're thinking with that.00:02
p|so i think to buy an ultrafast 2gb for internal slot00:02
alteregoWho said that?00:03
GeneralAntillesJust get yourself a pair of 8GB cards00:03
alteregoThat's nonsense ..00:03
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GeneralAntillesITT is full of idiots.00:03
alteregoUnless they're talking about speed.00:03
GeneralAntillesSo take anything you hear on there with a huge grain of salt.00:03
|Ri know that on the iAudio D2 mp3 player, you had 50h of battery, and 25h with the SD used to read mp3...00:03
|Rbut you're not reading them all the time on an n80000:03
alteregoFast cards for swap may drain battery life quicker if swap is being used lots ..00:03
timelesssp3000 you mentioned lowmem signal stuff, can you find that for me? :)00:04
sp3000if you have a massive amount of directory entries I suppose that could use some time with metalayer-crawler, but, that's content not capacity00:04
p|ha ok00:05
p|so there isn't relationship with size ?00:05
GeneralAntillesNot a meaningful one.00:06
sp3000I hear various cards use $random amout of power or something but that's all I know, dunno about correlation with size nor whether it's any sort of signifigant00:06
alteregoNice.00:06
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p|ok00:07
* alterego yawns00:07
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sp3000timeless: well, the mozilla keyword is memory-pressure00:07
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=memory-pressure&find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fdebian%2Fpatches%2F&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage00:08
sp3000the arg nothing in mozilla cares about that I noticed00:08
timelessno hits00:08
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sp3000eal00:11
sp3000http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2F&string=memory-pressure00:11
sp3000note the amusing obfuscation of h\0e\0a\0p\0-\0m\0i\0n\0i\0m\0i\0z\0e\0\000:11
alteregoWeird.00:12
JaffaUTF-16, perhaps?00:14
sp3000sure, but it's /great/ for searches00:14
timelessucs2/uf16, whicever00:14
timelessbut yeah, what sp3000 said00:14
timelessit's murder on searching00:14
JaffaAh, indeed. Advantage of having a language/compiler which supports UTF-8 in source code (Java, Perl etc.)00:15
timelessmxr doesn't compile code00:15
timelesswhich is a good thing, since most of the code it meets won't compile00:15
timelessheck, the code in our case tends to be in the form of patches, not even code00:16
timelesswhich makes things even more fun00:16
* timeless curses debian00:16
sp3000a stack of patches is also awesome for understanding how a piece of core works00:16
JaffaIndeed, but if the C compiler/libraries/language supported non US-ASCII source files, that string wouldn't be UTF-16/UCS2, and the source would be nice and searchable.00:16
timelesssp3000: no kidding00:16
timelesswhat's more fun is having a set of decks of patches00:17
timelessand no idea which cards are actuallly in play00:17
sp3000s/core/code/00:17
infobotsp3000 meant: a stack of patches is also awesome for understanding how a piece of code works00:17
timelessjaffa: um, i don't see how that follows00:17
timelessit'd be just as painful for mxr as it is today00:18
timelessit'd just have null bytes all over00:18
sp3000timeless: hmm, we have indexed patches which are not applied?00:18
sp3000of coures, that's a silly question, aa one patch can revert parts of another00:18
timelesssp3000: for svn repos i can't possibly know how to apply patches00:18
timelessand i don't even bother00:18
timelessfor the sardine style things, um, "i hink i ry, but i almost certainly fails miserably for browser"00:19
sp3000+t+t00:19
Jaffatimeless: I'm not explaining myself well (which, TBH, I can't be arsed to do cos I'm about to go to bed); but my point is along the lines of: this is attempting to do modern, multi-byte strings with C/glib. Neither of which are particularly well designed for it. A language which separates bytes and strings (such as Java or Perl) doesn't have these problems when searching, as the tooling is UTF-8 from one end to the other (including mxr equivalents)00:19
sp3000have you checked for breadcrumbs? :) those weremurder for my last keyboard over tme ;)00:19
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timelessin mozilla, we have macros that protect the source from being unreadable00:22
timelessand still alolow multibyte encodings00:22
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sp3000the question is, are they stealable?00:22
timelessyes, this is basically a glib bug00:22
timelessdunno00:22
timelessi'm trying to find our pkcs gateway00:23
alteregoAnyone know why my windows aren't grouped in the task navigator?00:23
* alterego wonders if it's because he's not registered with OSSO.00:23
timelessthere's a bug that has a standard suggestion for why00:24
* timeless can't remember which bug tracker it's in00:24
timelessiirc eero filed it00:24
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sp3000there's nothing on 'group' in summary on b.maemo.o, so, meh00:25
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alterego:/00:25
alteregoOh well.00:25
* alterego showers.00:25
timelessi think eero tried to get me to file it00:25
sp3000timeless: xfer mgr! bug 199500:26
* sp3000 only looked at that b/c of the typo00:27
timelessthat's a browser bug00:27
sp3000or that00:28
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* timeless grumbles00:28
timelessi know there's some code /somewhere/ to read from cs00:29
timelesswhere is it?00:29
sp3000counterstrike?00:29
timelesscurssed storage trash00:29
* sp3000 doesn't see anything interesting in 'window' for grouping so I guess it's not in this bugzill00:30
sp3000a00:30
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timeless Unable to switch to Home or another application from a fullscreen application which has not set its WM_CLASS correctly00:31
sp3000sounds painful00:32
timeless> Yes, it's a "bug" in the application, but only Gtk applications00:32
timeless> add WM_CLASS automatically AND it's not documented anywhere00:32
timeless> (in Maemo) that WM_CLASS is needed.  If you require something00:32
timeless> from applications, at least you should document that requirement.00:32
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timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c00:34
timelessthat's the evil cst file00:34
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timeless#156000:35
* timeless grumbles00:35
sp3000also, I didn't figure out how to smuggle -DFORCE_PR_LOG into a debian build that unpacks a tarball and molests it, not quite today anyway :\00:35
timelessgarage's xref can't get as many identifiers00:35
sp3000maybe micromanaging the deb build steps will help me00:36
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p|what's the difference between an SD class 6 and a Sandisk Extreme III ? (apart from price ;))00:36
timelessif you find a way to get a patched source world via micromanageing debs, let me know00:37
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GeneralAntillesSanDisk is way ovepriced, p|.00:37
p|hum00:38
sp3000timeless: hmm, am I blind or is there no functional difference between lines 1572 and 157400:38
p|16gb patriot class6 ? gh (176$!!!)00:38
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timelessheh00:39
GeneralAntillesWhere are you shopping, p|?00:40
GeneralAntillesNemegg has it for $13900:41
p|ebay :)00:41
timelessexpains this00:41
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fdebian%2Fpatches%2F&string=EmbedCertificates.cpp00:41
timelessthat's clearly patching a file, right?00:41
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/find?string=EmbedCertificates.cpp00:41
timelesswhy can't i find that file?00:41
ds3where can I find the kernel .config's for the shipped kernel on OS2006? found the sources here http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/00:41
timelesspj fscl00:41
timelesscurses00:41
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sp3000ds3: I think it says at the top of that page?00:42
ds3sp3000: it just says source00:42
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sp3000oh, .config00:43
ds3I want the config so I can compile modules00:43
ds3want iso9660 support ;)00:43
sp3000o_O00:44
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ds3got the host mode working and a USB CDROM around so...00:44
Jaffaoooh00:44
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ds3if I can get the .config, I can add a iso9660 module00:44
Jaffads3: look at fanoush's website? He's recompiled the kernel and compiled modules; bound to have the .config there somewhere00:45
sp3000heh00:45
sp3000try a list I guess00:45
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timelessso3000: dates back to 15 ...00:45
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ds3hmmm looks like n770_def is suppose to work; guess I'll try that and see if insmod is happy00:47
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timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/175_MICROB_bad_cert_at_once_lp0.diff00:48
timelessthat one's fun00:48
* timeless curses00:49
timelessgah00:49
* sp3000 is amused by the whitespace fix in chunk#100:51
ds3is it just me or does microb take up considerably more memory then the stock opera engine?00:51
sp3000sounds likely00:51
sp3000but it's also several times more awesome!00:52
ds3it is nice that google maps works but it really sucks to have things all crash when I open up too many apps (this is on a 770 so memory is tight to start with)00:52
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sp3000swap?00:54
ds3swap to what?00:55
doubleccreate a swap file?00:55
ds3i rather not wear out the rs-mmc00:55
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* sp3000 wonders if anyone sells those anymore :\00:57
ds3=)00:57
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alteregoHas anyone actually worn out a memory card here?01:15
alteregoI've had some inexplicably stop working.01:15
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p|'night to all01:27
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ds3I've destoryed some old SM cards but that's pretty much raw nand01:29
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|Ranyone know if there is a public bomberman server? :P01:32
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zerojayalterego: Got an e-mail address I can reach you at?02:06
alteregot-swindell at msn.com02:07
zerojayk, I'll send you an e-mail sometime tomorrow outlining the setup wizard app we talked about a few days ago, if you're still interested.02:08
alteregoSure02:08
zerojayI'm working on the video center stuff right now.02:09
alteregoNice.02:10
alteregoI'm just rewriting the GUI for my Task/Todo list application.02:10
alteregoThen I'll release it tomorrow.02:10
zerojayCool.02:10
alteregoYeah, I'm pretty proud of it. And it is a good example of how to create ruby programs for maemo :)02:11
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zerojayhttp://www.jablet.net/videocenter/test.php - Looking to set up something where users can contribute links, tested by admins to see if they work on the tablets before added... RSS feed can tell people that new shows were added to the database which they can add to video center directly from the RSS reader. :)02:11
zerojayOh.. er.. top link won't work.. alternate audio feed should.02:12
zerojayMissed something. ;)02:12
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alteregoNice.02:13
zerojayThere, fixed.02:13
zerojayClicking on the links on the tablet launches video center directly.02:14
alteregoNice02:14
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sciboyWow my app manager is broken02:24
alteregoHow badly?02:26
sciboyI'm stuck using dpkg and apt-get because it doesn't like something i have installed.02:28
sciboyCan't install anything new through it02:28
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|Rsciboy : are you sure it's just not a question of repository settings?02:41
|Rif one of them(like my tableteer) doesn't work with it's gpg key, it may stop i think02:41
|ROr some other reasons... haven't really invastigated02:41
sciboythe key issues never prevented it before.02:43
GeneralAntillesWhat's the log/error?02:44
sciboyCan't be bothered right now, i'm just ignoring it02:45
GeneralAntillesThen why bring it up? :P02:46
GeneralAntillesWhy is it that ITT is filled with loonies?02:47
sciboyBecause i can.02:47
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GeneralAntillesHa. New rule, if you don't want help, please make a note of it: <GeneralAntilles> My x wont work. (I don't want help)02:49
GeneralAntilles:P02:49
* sciboy counts the seconds waiting for 200802:51
|Rhehe02:54
|RGeneralAntilles : what kind of loonies? :)02:54
GeneralAntillesAll sorts02:55
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GeneralAntillesand they're dragging my down with them.02:55
GeneralAntillesSee, I can't even type right.02:56
GeneralAntilles*me02:56
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* sciboy switches to Jabber exclusively.03:00
sciboyIt's still called jabber right?03:00
|Ruh yes :)03:01
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* sciboy hugs blender.03:05
* zerojay hugs Jabber.03:06
* GeneralAntilles pokes the technophiles with a sharpened stick.03:06
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* sciboy dies after being speared.03:08
|RGeneralAntilles screams: Thiiiisss isssssss #### MAEEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!03:09
* |R ducks and covers03:09
|Rhehe03:09
* GeneralAntilles kicks |R into the well.03:10
sciboyIf we could get blenders game engine on maemo I could do a whole bunch of awesome03:10
|Rhehe a vertical space shooter would be cool, with crazy options and massive weapons ;)03:11
GeneralAntillesand a time machine!03:12
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|Rthe game where you shoot cats?03:12
|Roh no wait, that's the incredible machine ;)03:12
GeneralAntillesActually, I really want the N800 to be a Rube Goldberg machine.03:13
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deejoeplease stay away from my n800, GeneralAntilles.  thank you.03:15
sciboyNeeds more jigawatts.03:17
sciboyGeneralAntilles, They did alot of that stuff in the bullet physics competition using blender.03:18
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Lateralus1.2103:25
sciboyWoo chinook.03:27
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javamaniacis chinook available for n800 right now?03:38
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* timeless cries03:45
timelesscould someone help me?03:45
timelessapt-cache is being annoying03:45
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TPCtimeless, you you be more specific?03:46
sciboyI require podcast entertainment.03:46
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf search .03:47
timelessSegmentation Fault (core dumped)03:47
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TPChm.. thats not good03:47
timelesshttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/23746503:51
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lcddtimeless: http://bugs.debian.org/81829 perhaps?03:53
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fletc900Hello04:11
fletc900Any Python programmers around?04:12
fletc900Anyone?04:13
GeneralAntilles#python?04:13
fletc900yes04:14
Mikhoprobably some people around who know python04:15
fletc900I am wondering what kind of scientific Python libraries have been ported to Maemo (matplolib, numpyt, etc)....anyone have a clue?04:16
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skibur_are the applications on OS2008 tested?  If so, is OS2008 out?07:20
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timelessit's not yet out07:43
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nitrogenI'm having difficulty getting the maemo development environment set up for my N770.  Has anybody in here had success with that who could offer some suggestions?07:46
timelessfind a vmware image07:46
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nitrogentimeless: is it that difficult to get things going on, say, ubuntu using scratchbox?07:50
nitrogenI have an environment set up, but the UI doesn't behave correctly in xephyr07:51
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czrnitrogen, which sdk, which ubuntu?07:56
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nitrogenczr: 2.2, I've tried ubuntu 7.04 and 7.1007:56
czrhmm. that's odd. are you starting xephyr with the correct parameters? or can you describe the issues that you're having?07:57
nitrogenthe exact filename is Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz07:57
czr(there's a problem with dapper xephyr with 4.0beta sdk, because of 4.0beta wants to use composite, which the dapper xephyer doesn't know how to do properly, but this shouldn't be an issue for you at all)07:57
nitrogenwell, the people icon is missing, the left border of the hildon screen has some white rectangles where they shouldn't be, and second-level menus cause the entire menu to close07:58
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czrhmm07:58
czrthe last one sounds like the timing bug from 1.0 sdk07:58
czrnever used 2.2 myself07:59
nitrogeni.e. I can open the first menu, but when I try to go to "Applications" or "Web" or whatever the menu closes instead07:59
czrbecause the sdk doesn't come with web or applications?07:59
czrthe sdk is only meant to build software07:59
nitrogenI bought the 770 when they went on sale exclusively so I could develop for it -- is there a better working version?07:59
czryou can develop with the sdk07:59
czrit's not an emulator08:00
czrit's meant to build and test _your_ software08:00
nitrogenI know, but according to the tutorial on maemo.org the UI should at least be complete08:00
czrhmm, can you make a screenshot of your xephyr now?08:00
nitrogensure08:00
czrand put it up somewhere.08:00
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nitrogensee http://www.slimetech.com/~nitrogen/maemo_problem_1.png08:04
nitrogenvs. http://maemo.org/forrest-images/maemo_tutorial/Graphic6.png08:05
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* czr takes a peek08:17
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czrhmm. never quite seen that before :-)08:18
czrhave you tried stopping and restarting the af?08:18
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nitrogenczr: af-sb-init.sh stop/start ?08:21
tigerthuomenta | morning :)08:21
tigertrandom mobility tip of the day: about:config in the mozilla browser,08:22
tigertand set08:22
nitrogenczr: many times.  Could it be my version of scratchbox?  (1.0.7)08:22
tigertfont.min-size.variable.x-western to 1608:22
tigertmuch easier to read the web while walking :)08:22
tigertand it still doesnt break layouts too much08:23
czrnitrogen, yes (for the former)08:24
czryou should check the install doc of the 2.2 sdk to see which version of SB should be used.08:24
czras I said, I never used 2.208:24
nitrogenczr: restarting the interface does nothing to fix the problem - I've tried this on and off for months08:26
nitrogenbut I've never tried moving to an older version of scratchbox08:26
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czrmaybe you should hang around and ask someone else who used 2.2. never quite seen that kind of screen08:27
nitrogenhm..  I'm using the version recommended on the tutorial, but the instructions in the tutorial don't match that version.08:28
nitrogenthanks for your help anyway08:28
czrnp, good luck08:30
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L0cutusre09:23
L0cutusgpe calendar have view problem when i try to set an appointment 'weekly'09:23
L0cutusit doesn't show all the day i can check09:24
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omeamHi #maemo10:36
omeamIs there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere?10:37
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floriangood morning11:16
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omeamflorian: mornin'11:16
L0cutusciao florian11:17
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omeamsorry for double'post' - is there a gconf-key-reference for the n800 anywhere?11:25
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inzomeam, try gconftooling the keys11:33
omeaminz: i would need a reference wich tellst me wich key does what...11:35
inzomeam, try reading the schema xml files then, they should have some kind of explanation11:37
inzomeam, they're in /etc/gconf/schemas or /usr/share/gconf/schemas11:38
omeamwhere do i find the schemes?11:38
zuhTry http://maemo.org/downloads/product/gconf-editor11:38
omeam /etc/gconf/schemes??11:38
omeamzuh: ty11:38
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inzoh yeah, gconf-editor does show the descriptions11:39
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:39
bedboibon dia11:47
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flip^I read somewhere about a recent update to theme maker, but can't see anything more recent than june 07.... am i going crazy?12:11
JaffaMorning, all12:13
L0cutusdoes exists 'tailf' for n800 ?12:29
flip^as in tail -f12:31
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L0cutuswoops12:34
L0cutusthanks12:34
flip^:)12:36
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rothielHi all :°)12:37
omeamdumb question... is there a way to determine the current maemo-version in the scratchbox12:38
omeamsomething like 'uname --maemo'12:38
inzwhy do you want to?12:41
disqcat /etc/osso_software_version12:41
inzdisq, doesn't always work12:41
disqearlier os2006 firmwares don't have it tho12:41
inzdisq, my "mistral" says: "custom_27"12:42
inzdisq, and my bora target doesn't have it at all12:42
disqthat's your mistral's problem :P12:42
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keesjhmm in scratchbox. perhaps listing the installed packages. I guess that the best thing is to give the targets good names in order for "sb-conf cu" to give a meaningfull result12:52
keesjto what packages does /etc/osso_software_version belong :P12:55
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czrdpkg -S /etc/osso_software_version ?12:58
czryields nothing?12:58
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L0cutuslol:  http://n800.gotdns.org:8080/13:09
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lardmanmorning13:28
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czrhey lardman13:36
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lardmanhi czr13:51
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* zerojay puts L0cutus's site on Digg. :)13:57
* zerojay watches battery take a nosedive.13:57
Jaffazerojay: Put it on Slashdot and we could watch it physically melt.13:58
zerojayThis 3rd party repository for video center feeds was such a good idea.14:00
zerojayEverything's a one click install.14:00
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L0cutuszerojay: lol14:07
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alteregoGood afternoon guys and girls.14:12
zerojayyo.14:12
zerojayTime for me to head to work.14:13
zerojayLater.14:13
alteregoSee you14:13
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L0cutusciao alterego14:14
alteregoHello L0cutus14:14
alteregoI'll be releasing my first application to day :)14:15
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czrhey alterego. time to throw it out of the window finally?14:16
alteregoMy task list app yeah.14:16
czris it easy to install?14:16
alteregoProvided you have ruby to install.14:16
alteregoIt's just one package.14:16
alteregoruby installed ..14:17
czrI have stock N800 with IT2007.14:17
alteregoThen you'll need libruby, ruby and rx-task14:17
czrand where can I easily get those from?14:17
alteregohttp://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo314:17
alteregohttp://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/CURRENT/maemo3/armel14:17
alterego:)14:17
alteregoThough I've not packaged rx-task yet.14:18
alteregoJust doing some polishing of the UI14:18
czrhmm. if the whole thing will install from one .install file, I'll take it for a spin :-)14:18
czrtoo lazy otherwise :-)14:18
alteregoI'll look into it.14:18
czrif you're announcing it, you might want to add the above points into the mail as well, if you want people to test it.14:19
czrnot everybody loves ruby to death ;-)14:19
alterego:)14:19
alteregoI'm sure that will all change soon enough :P14:22
czrwell, if it would be as easy as clicking on the install file on the device to get everything necessary, it could change.14:23
alteregoWell, I'd love it to be that simple.14:23
czrI know :-)14:24
L0cutus[13:16] <alterego> Provided you have ruby to install.14:24
L0cutusyes i've it already instaleld :)14:25
L0cutusinstalled*14:25
alteregoNice one L0cutus you can be my first tester then :P14:25
L0cutuslol14:25
alteregoIt wont be released for a few hours yet though.14:26
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* czr is having fun implementing recursive dynamic state machines14:39
alteregoThat sounds like fun.14:39
alteregoWhat for?14:39
czrheh. don't ask. over-designing stuff again ;-)14:39
* alterego is all about recursion.14:39
alteregoYeah, don't talk to be about over designing stuff.14:39
czrat least I'm not implementing recursive generators/iterators this time14:39
alteregoI've abstracted this app so much even the app title is in gconf ..14:40
czrthat was really fun14:40
czrheh14:40
czrcan you modify the apptitle in-flight?14:40
czrusing gconftool-2 --set ?14:40
alteregoNo14:40
czrarr, you haven't over-designed it nearly enough then!14:40
alteregoOther configuration options can be.14:40
alteregoBut not the app title.14:41
timelesssp3000: ping14:42
sp3000?14:42
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ cat extras.sources.list14:43
timelessdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free14:43
timelessdeb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free14:43
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source libmissioncontrol014:43
timelessGet:1 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free telepathy-mission-control 4.38-1 (dsc) [572B]14:43
timeless....14:43
timelessrm ...14:43
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ apt-get -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf source --only-source libmissioncontrol014:43
timelessE: Unable to find a source package for libmissioncontrol014:43
timelesswhy is that failing? :(14:45
czralterego, a simple recursive if/then/elif/elifnot/ifnot/endif parser/processor really :-)14:45
czrscratch the 'then'.14:46
alteregoHeh14:46
timelessalternatively, how do i get a list of source packages?14:46
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sp3000timeless: libmissioncontrol0_4.33-1_i386.deb/control.tar.gz/control: Source: telepathy-mission-control14:47
sp3000I don't quite recall if it's supposed to do that for you or not14:47
timelessyeah, but how do you find that using commands?14:47
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timelessshowsrc?14:48
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf showsrc libmissioncontrol0|wc -l14:49
timeless014:49
sp3000there's a showsrc command?14:49
timelessdoesn't seem to do anything14:49
* sp3000 gets an error14:50
timelessman lists i...14:50
timelessapt-cache show seems to include a source: line14:50
timelessi suppose i can go send everything through tha14:50
timelessthis is going to be so much fun14:50
sp3000yeah, that would be it pretty much14:51
czrbtw, any idea on why pkg-config --list-all doesn't list all the packages in 4.0beta?14:51
czr(the packages/pc-files work when used with --cflags and --libs, but just not listed in the list)14:51
timelesstimeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf show telepathy-feed14:52
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timelessi don't see a source: line here14:52
timelesswhat's that mean?14:52
sp3000that the src pkg name is the same14:52
timelessoh man14:52
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timelessthis is going to be so much fun14:52
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omeamis anyone of you familiar with the soundsystem on the n800?15:03
omeamit isn't 'reak' alsa - afaik15:03
omeams/reak/real/g15:03
infobotomeam meant: it isn't 'real' alsa - afaik15:03
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timelessok, i'll deal w/ trying to figure out how to handle show later15:06
timelessfor now, i'll have a chinook something in an hour15:06
timelessheh15:11
timelessLogin name: timeless15:11
timelessDirectory: /export/home/timeless        Shell: /bin/zsh15:11
timelessOn since Jul 13 18:34:17 on pts/35 from swift-centos15:11
timeless82 days Idle Time15:11
alteregoHeh15:11
timelessLogin name: timeless15:11
timelessDirectory: /export/home/timeless        Shell: /bin/zsh15:11
timelessOn since Jul 12 18:17:29 on pts/39 from swift-centos15:11
timeless117 days Idle Time15:11
* timeless wonders where in the world these terminals are :)15:12
erstazitimeless: dpkg --get-selections15:12
erstazithat will be a huge list15:12
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timelessget-selections?15:12
omeamdo you have a clue about the soundsystem on the n800?15:12
erstazitimeless: thats the debian way, I am not sure about the OS200X way15:12
omeamhow can i control the volume when i stripped the gconf away15:13
timelessi'm in nexenta, not maemo15:13
erstazitimeless: dpkg --get-selections | grep foo15:13
omeami stripped nearly everything off....15:13
erstazitimeless: is nexenta debian based?15:13
timelessyes15:13
erstazithen dpkg --get-selections | grep foo should work technically15:13
timelesswhat would it do?15:14
erstazilist the installed packages15:14
timelesswho said anything about installed pacakges?15:14
erstazium... based off what you were looking for15:14
erstazinm15:14
timelessnexenta is performing operations on a maemo (chinook in this case) repository and trying to retrieve sources15:14
timelessthere's no installing :)15:14
timelessinstalling maemo (linux/arm) onto nexenta (solaris/x86_64) would be a wee bit of a disaster :)15:15
erstazitimeless: then what exactly are you doing? I see you are using apt-cache15:15
erstaziare you looking for dependencies?15:15
timelessbuilding http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/15:16
timelessfor chinook15:16
erstaziaye15:16
timelessi try to grab all sources15:16
timelessso i don't really care about dependencies15:16
erstaziok15:16
timelessalthough i don't want more than one version per package15:16
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erstaziright, automake has 3 different versions present15:17
timelessif i sanitize the script, i can stick a copy up15:17
timelessyeah, they're technically 3 different packages15:17
timelessthe versions being 1.7.8/1.8.5/p615:17
erstaziright15:17
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timelessthat's fine/expected15:18
timelessi just don't want automake1.8 1.8.0,1.8.1,1.8.2,1.8.3,...15:18
erstaziright15:18
timelessthe goal is to provide a usable cross reference15:18
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erstazinexenta seems very active15:19
* timeless sdhrugs15:21
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timelessok, i got my chinook sources15:30
timelesslooks like ~277 directories (top level)15:30
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rothielCan I code a fullscreen application15:45
rothielor it has to be in a window ?15:46
rothiel(please)15:46
alteregoMaking the app fullscreen in Gtk is easy.15:46
alteregoJust call the 'fullscreen' method on the window you're using.15:46
alteregoProbably, gtk_window_fullscreen(window, true); in C15:47
alteregoOr Hildon::Window#fullscreen in Ruby15:47
Takthat's exactly what it is @ C15:48
omeamwhen i "dpkg -r --force-all osso-esd" it still plays sound and the volume-app still works as espected... who mixes the sound for the n800 when not esd?15:51
timelesssp3000: ok, http://swift/chinook-20071107/source/15:52
Takthe underlying audio driver15:52
timelessi'll push that to garage as soon as the index builds15:52
db48xI think esd just controls sound events15:52
omeamTak: who's that?15:53
omeamdb48x: but i can still change the volume and it takes affect (for the media player at least)15:53
db48xomeam: right, but that's a function of the audio driver, not esd15:54
omeamso where is that ominous driver?15:54
db48xcompiled into the kernel, I bet15:55
rothielthx alterego15:55
db48xit's probably an ALSA driver15:55
omeamso where is the volume controlled?? i can only find one the entry in the gconf system15:55
omeambut it saves the volume somewhere else too15:56
db48xwhat exactly are you trying to do?15:56
omeambuilding a closed system... i need as much free space as possible on the device15:56
omeamso the whole osso-stuff gets ripped away...15:57
omeami just need X and SDL15:57
omeamand sound15:57
omeamright now i have a working 40mb version15:57
omeambut i cannot control the volume anymore15:57
omeamthere are no dbus signals involved with volumecontrol as far as i see15:58
db48xI thought you said you could still control the volume?16:00
omeamwhen ripping away esd16:00
omeamwhen i rip: http://pastebin.ca/764688 i cannot control the volume anymore16:01
db48xoh, but your minimal system removed too much16:01
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omeamdb48x: thats the point16:01
timelesssp3000: fwiw, the reason apt- was crashing is that i had foopy.sources.list as a symlink to a nonexistent file :)16:01
omeamjust cee my paste16:02
sp3000heh16:02
db48xI don't know what package contains the application that has the actual volume control for the user to manipulate, no16:02
timelessi guess it didn' approve16:02
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omeamdb48x: i do not need the app for the gui - i need a possibility to control the volume out of a program/script16:02
db48xyou could do a binary search over that list to find the package, or you could write your own16:02
timelesssomeday we should trace through apt- and file a bug :|16:02
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omeamtimeless: ?16:02
db48xI'm sure all it did was use the ALSA api to change the volume level16:02
timelessomeam: sp3000+me=we16:03
omeamso amixer should do the work?16:03
omeamtimeless: what bug in apt?16:03
omeams/what/which/g16:03
infobotomeam meant: timeless: which bug in apt?16:03
timelessoh, it kinda crashes if there's a sources.list pointing to a nonexistent file16:03
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timelessat least, it seems to :)16:03
timelessgiving it a file makes it stop crashing :)16:03
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omeamtimeless: is the missing file the bug or apt?16:04
omeamin a clean repo no files are missing16:04
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omeam;)16:04
omeamnow i have to re-flash my n800 - the 115 time today16:05
suihkulokkiomeam: err, howabout booting from the mmc instead?16:06
omeamgives me what?16:06
suihkulokkinot needing to flash every time you mess up?16:06
omeams/^/suihkulokki/g16:06
omeamsuihkulokki: i would not have to reflash but..... ??16:07
omeamwhen i have messed up i have to restore - whatever - the n800 or the mmc - wheres the diff??16:07
* omeam is stupid - and he knows it!16:07
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Takugh16:22
Takweekly reboot loop16:23
keesj:p16:23
Taktime for weekly reflash16:23
keesjdeja v?16:25
keesjvu16:25
omeamTak: time for hourly reflash ;)16:26
Takomeam: yeah, but I'm not modifying the OS on mine16:26
omeamTak: ;)16:26
Takis anybody else having this kind of problem with 2007HE ?16:27
omeam?? this kind ??16:27
Takdevice randomly going into a reboot loop, from which the only salvation is reflashing16:27
omeamnvr had that one...16:28
omeam...often had it that it kept on rebooting when the progressbar is @~60 -90 percent16:28
omeamalso had it that the progressbar stopped @ ~75% but ssh server was running16:29
omeambut i guess it was my fault most of the time ;)16:29
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Takmine doesn't even display the progress bar16:30
omeamthat's strange16:31
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czralterego, this is turning out to be more fun that I thought.16:34
czralterego, try to do one when you have the chance :-)16:34
alteregoczr, good job :)16:35
czrsmt like cpp directives (more or less), but with nesting16:35
czr(cpp has nesting obviously too)16:35
* alterego shudders16:35
* czr hugs python16:35
* alterego sleeps with Ruby :P16:36
czryou'll have crazy babies that way16:36
czrwatch yourself :-)16:36
alteregoProbably happen anyway ^_^16:36
alteregoAll I need to do is find a girl called Ruby ..16:36
czrhmm.16:36
* czr wonders where all women with names like "Python" hang around.16:37
czrprobably some biker-club-thingy.16:37
alteregoHeh16:37
alteregoBiker, Lesbian club16:37
omeamczr: but ruby ensures that the babies will be objects!16:37
omeamat leads16:37
omeamat least16:37
alteregoYes, purely OO family.16:37
czrpython babies are free to evolve into whatever they need16:38
alteregoLike Italians16:38
czrhope not :-)16:38
alterego(joke about spaghetti code)16:38
alterego:)16:38
omeamlol16:38
czrhmm. out of the 250 or so lines, 190 are OO implementation stuff16:38
omeamand what are different platforms then?? how do you see the many registers on a arm-baby?16:38
czrrest is one function to do the loading and the other is main16:39
alteregoRuby has fantastic introspection :)16:39
omeamczr: and one is /*code should not reach this point - we are fucked!*/16:39
_MonkeyHmm.  No matches for that, omeam.16:39
czromeam, python doesn't support C++ comments ;-)16:39
czrand no. just print "UNIMPLEMENTED" things :-)16:39
* alterego works on the new Table based list view.16:39
omeamczr: that may be the reason that my python progs don't compile ;)16:40
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alteregoHmm .. Or maybe an actual list would be better.16:40
czrthat must be it :-)16:40
alteregoAre you trying to "compile" them with gcc? :)16:40
czralso, I never use the f-word in my code. TODO notes yes. CHANGELOG yes. commit logs yes. but not source code :-)16:40
alteregoHahah16:41
omeamhave you ever tried to cd into your kernel-source dir16:44
omeamand then find .|xargs egrep "f..k"16:44
czromeam, google for lxr. much nicer interface ;-)16:45
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omeamwhat is lxr?16:45
czrhttp://lxr.linux.no/source/16:45
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omeami like linux/arch/i386/mm/extable.c line 1716:47
omeamextern u32 pnp_bios_is_utter_crap;16:47
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alteregoHeh16:48
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czrwell. it is. isn't it :-)17:04
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omeamis there something like a documentation for the dspctl tool?17:20
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lardmanthere is source code for it17:27
lardmangrab it from the dspgateway page, in the arm tarball17:27
lardmanomeam: why are you interested?17:28
omeammaybe i can control the volume via "dspctl setvar xxx"17:28
lardmanhmm, perhaps, if you could work out what variable to control17:29
lardmanbut iirc there's a fn call which needs to be made too17:29
omeamlardman: the alsa on the device is just emulated...17:30
omeamso where does the 'real' mixer sit?17:30
lardmanI'm not sure about that17:30
lardmanis it possible to play other sounds while the dsp is using the audio codec?17:31
omeamlardman: try "cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat | grep Sound"17:31
lardmanno n800 infront of me atm I'm afraid17:31
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omeampastebin.ca/76476817:32
omeamemulation code sounds like an emulation to me ;)17:33
lardmanyeah, but is that in the kernel?17:34
* alterego curses TreeView17:34
omeami have no idea ;)17:34
lardmanIs it possible to get things like screen taps out while gstreamer is using the dsp? that would determine whether the mixing happens before the dsp or not17:34
omeamlardman: speak with me like if i would have no clue what you are talking about17:36
omeamscreen tap == screenshot??17:36
* omeam 's english is bulls**t17:36
lardmanno no, screen tap, the noise it makes when you tap on the screen17:36
omeamyou mean if i head clicks while listening to a mp3?17:37
lardmanyes17:37
omeamyes, i hear them17:37
lardmaninteresting17:37
omeambut only when i set a low volume inside the media-player17:37
omeamotherwise the music is too loud17:37
omeam;)17:37
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lardmanI wouldn't expect that - I assumed the DSP opened the sound hardware for exclusive access17:38
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lardmanThere is also an ARM-side interface in the kernel iirc, you don't have to go through the DSP17:39
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lardmantherefore I assume the hardware itself does the mixing, though I don't know for sure. See what the spec sheet says17:39
zoranhow could I contact operator of repository.maemo.org server? it is probably at ossostage.cidercone.com.17:41
robtaylorlardman: the dsp is doing the mixing, iirc17:42
lardmanrobtaylor: really, so the standard stuff also goes through the dspsink?17:43
omeamlardman: robtaylor: who controls the volume?? afaik the mixer17:43
robtaylorlardman: though the alsa emulation, again iirc17:43
omeambut when i kill esd i can still control the colume17:43
omeamvolume17:43
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robtaylormy memory on this is pretty fuzzy and things changed between OS's17:43
omeamjust apt-get sourced the kernel source17:44
omeammaybe i can find something there :(17:44
robtayloromeam: probably the best reference point :)17:44
Robot101what's the query?17:44
omeamRobot101: how can i control the volume - when i removed a lot of stuff17:45
* lardman doesn't know anything about alsa17:46
lardmanbut would be interested to hear if anyone does know how it works17:46
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omeambasically all *osso* packets but *dsp*17:46
lardman?17:47
zoransomebody from "maemo.org" server on the channel?17:47
lardmanall the data are sent to the DSP you mean?17:47
lardmanzoran: what's up with the repo?17:47
zoranI have a prob with domain authorization17:47
lardmanzoran: mailing list might be the best bet17:48
zorank, donna try17:48
zoran*gonna17:48
omeamkernelsourcedirectory/sound is weird!17:51
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lardmangot to pop out, let me know what you find re alsa17:55
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L0cutusseems xchat doesn't support sound on maemo ?17:57
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omeamlardman: pastebin.ca/76479918:02
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lopzhola18:04
L0cutusciao lopz18:05
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b0unc3there is any way to make the app manager automatically install the dependencies for a packet ?18:12
fysacan you disable quit/join messages with xcghat?18:13
fysaxchat18:13
omeamb0unc3: it should per default18:13
omeamb0unc3: apt-get does, dpkg does not18:13
omeamfysa: use iirc18:13
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fysayou may need to add a repository18:13
b0unc3omeam: but the app manager seems to not do it18:14
b0unc3fysa: the repo is present18:14
omeami mean ircii18:14
zoranmaybe some missing libs18:14
omeamb0unc3: what repos are present (pastebin.ca your sources.list)18:14
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omeamand what do you want to install18:14
fysafor the req pkg.  ie, libgtk and such are in a generic repo not added by most .install scripts18:14
fysaiirc is a horrible thing to google for ;)18:16
b0unc3omeam: I'm creating an app that have some dependencies... the app manager found these dependencies but not install them...18:18
b0unc3the necessary pkg are in the standar maemo extras repo... that is in my sources.list18:18
omeamb0unc3: ok...18:19
omeamfysa: i meant ircii18:19
zoranwhy don't you install them manualy?18:19
omeamzoran: too easy ;)18:19
omeamb0unc3: scnr18:19
b0unc3zoran: cause them are not listen in the installable application list...18:20
zoranah, "not installable"?18:20
b0unc3no... sorry for my english... I mean that these pkg are not showed in the app manager... but I can install them with apt18:21
zorancould you refresh the lists?18:22
fysamaybe version reqs don't match then.  apt is very good at handling dependants18:22
b0unc3zoran: one of the pkg is rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules... and it is not listed...18:22
zorancool, get it on the device and install with apt-get install18:23
fysaoh yes nfs needs manual install18:24
b0unc3yep... manual installation work fine... but I want to know if the app manager can do it automatically18:24
fysano. don't worry. just use dpkg --install18:24
fysaget root with becomeroot packag18:24
fysathen sudo gainroot and you're good18:25
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b0unc3fysa: I think that normal user don't want do it18:26
zoranb0unc3, normal user is win user18:27
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fysaagreed.18:28
fysamaybe os2008 fixes nfs18:28
b0unc3zoran: I know... but I think I must consider them...18:28
zoranhe-he18:28
fysause cifs maybe.  i think that is conpiled in18:29
fysasilly thumbboard18:29
b0unc3fysa: cifs is for smb I think... and I'm using it...18:29
fysawe need a network fs gui..18:29
b0unc3fysa: it's what I'm working on18:29
b0unc3https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wizard-mounter/18:30
zoransome1 played with gammu app?18:30
fysathen i suggest you make your own repo18:30
fysamaybe we can use fuse-nfs18:30
alteregosshfs ftw!18:31
b0unc3fysa: maybe it not fix my problem... I think the problem is the app manager18:31
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zoranalterego, what is your exp with fuse? interested18:31
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fysafysaOK, a real keyboard is much nicer ;)18:32
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alteregoI use fuse to mount my N800 whilst developing ruby apps.18:32
fysafysahttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/18:32
alteregoI use emacs on my laptop to edit the files mounted by fuse. Then use a separate ssh connection to run the apps whilst testing them.18:32
zoranssh in base?18:33
zoranah, see18:33
b0unc3fysafysa: I read it...18:33
fysafysaso here is my thinking..18:33
fysafysayou basically need to deconstruct those packages and make your own18:33
fysafysathen there will be no dependency issues18:33
fysafysa"However, nfs-common is currently broken and it needs to be installed by hand instead of apt-get or the application manager."18:34
b0unc3fysafysa: yes... but I think it's the worst way... beacause if these pkg are updated I need to realease a new ver of my app...18:35
b0unc3but maybe it's the only way... or the simplier way :-)18:35
zoranit should work as you want if files are in the same directory18:35
fysafysaI think you will be fine..18:35
fysafysathere are no major architectural changes in updates usually18:35
fysafysathe same binaries will probably work, and you can install to /usr/local/18:35
fysafysathe only way your packages would break is if Maemo fixed NFS..18:36
fysafysawhich solves the problem anyway :)18:36
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b0unc3fysafysa: exact...18:36
fysafysaor build .sh script18:37
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fysafysainto your GUI..18:37
fysafysawith "Install NFS" button..18:37
b0unc3uhm...18:37
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fysafysayou can script 'sudo gainroot'18:37
fysafysathere is no password prompt18:37
fysafysaso make your package depend on becomeroot18:37
fysafysathen automate wget/dpkg -x nfs-common/et al18:38
b0unc3yeah... sounds good :-D18:38
fysafysalsmod | grep nfs first to check for installation18:38
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fysafysaprobably the path of least resistance..18:38
fysafysawin is os2008 released?18:38
fysafysacouple of weeks?18:39
fysafysa..18:39
fysafysawhen18:39
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lardmanomeam: thanks, will take a look18:39
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omeamcyaall18:42
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zoranhm, could 770 listen to nokia sdp service? something comparabile to l2cap shoud do the job.19:03
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timelesshttp://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-1-0&fp=4731db6d23f7ceaf&ei=xfAxR53FNIz2qgP0q4jMCg&url=http%3A//thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/%3Fhp&cid=1123272544&sig2=Uo9GbFqr2lymcljh0X42uQ19:07
timelesseep19:07
timelesshttp://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/a-deadly-school-shooting-this-time-in-finland/?hp19:07
czryes. another 4.0beta tester gone crazy19:09
alteregoSomething is very broken in my task app :/19:09
* timeless tries to resist responding19:09
alteregoIt randomly segfaults.19:09
czrtimeless :-).19:09
timelessok, i'm sending a chinook xref to dh now19:10
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L0cutusalterego: oops:)19:11
alteregoYes .. Oops ..19:12
Takalterego: does it have a treeview? ;-)19:12
alteregoIt segfaults even without the tree view.19:13
alteregoThe problem is either my model infrastructure. Or it's ruby REXML module :/19:13
alteregoI'm gonna make a few deep test suites to find out which.19:13
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alteregoInteresting.19:27
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penguinbaitthats debatable?19:27
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alteregoYou don't even know what I'm talking about :P19:28
alteregoWhilst looking for whatever is causing my program to segfault. I think I've found out why my hildon windows don't group.19:28
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timelessok, so, operator error, i'll push chinook xref tomorrow i think19:30
penguinbaitthats why its debatable?19:31
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zoranhm, in fact, on 770 I shluld use obex client to put/get files to/from card in the phone?19:38
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timelessok, fwiw chinook xref is uploading now21:08
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/21:08
timelessthe index needs to be rebased, and i never remember the command to do that :)21:09
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timelesssp3000, so, i finally figured out why i don' like this url21:15
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/find?string=glib21:15
timelessnow i just need to figure out how to fix it21:15
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_|Nix|_Hi! How do I take a screenshot on the 770?21:45
_|Nix|_I tried installing load-applet but it didn't work. It installed fine, but it never showed up on the status bar.21:45
red-zacktry reboot ur device21:45
_|Nix|_OK ...21:46
_|Nix|_.o0o.o0o.o0o.21:46
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_|Nix|_Oooh! Worked! Sweet! Thanks!21:48
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red-zack_|Nix|_: your welcome!21:49
red-zack;)21:50
_|Nix|_Great ... now it refuses to connect to any kind of WLAN ... it just blinks and blinks and blinks and ...21:50
p|re21:51
massoudehlo there /win 1421:52
_|Nix|_Yaaaay! Another reboot ... feels like Windoze ...21:54
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KevinVermahey folks is there any eta for os2008 release ?22:02
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alterego~1 week22:04
alteregoMaybe closer to 2 weeks22:05
KevinVermaok thats good to know, thanks22:05
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timelesssp3000: 50 lines to go!22:17
sp3000heh22:17
timelessB. Click the bottom right button in the toolbar (it looks like a magnifying22:18
timelessglass, but it's really an overloaded kitchen sink button) > Components >22:18
timelessDefault plug-in, RealPlayer, Windows Media.22:18
timeless* Plug-ins has been renamed to Components.22:18
timeless(Editor's note: the reason is that in theory you're supposed to be able to see22:18
timelessextensions in this list, in testing, this may not actually work...)22:18
timelessThis affects both the application menu and the find button on the toolbar.22:18
timeless(Editor's note: you might be wondering what a Plug-ins or Components menu item22:18
timelessis doing in a toolbar, that's a good question, it's the closest thing we have22:18
timelessto a UI approved kitchen sink outside of the Settings dialog. Keep in mind that22:18
timelessthe N810 has moved the application menu button to a very inconvenient location,22:18
timelessso if you use full screen mode and want to quickly stop Flash, all you have to22:18
timelessdo is click the Find button on the toolbar, Components, and then uncheck Flash)22:18
timelesshrm, i guesss i already mentioned the kitchen sink once, oops22:19
timelessoh right, i should try that...22:19
timelessum, i can't load google.com22:20
timelessOperation temporarily disabled due to low memory22:20
timeless(microb was asked to load stress.html before lunch)22:20
timelessUnable to install grasemonkey-webaddon22:23
timeless[Close]22:23
timeless:(~22:23
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p|anyone know if there is a script that can 'disable/stop/kill' a service in maemo ?22:26
timelessservices on the device are lifeguarded22:26
p|instead to modify all rc.X/ scripts22:26
timelessyou need to disable the lifegaurd22:27
p|hu ?22:27
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timelesswell, most are22:27
timelesskinda depends what you'r thinking of22:27
timelessssh wouldn't be22:27
p|i have installed a webserver22:27
timelessbut media services iirc are22:27
timelessoh22:27
p|(nginx)22:27
massoudI am looking for the official sources.list for Nokia-770-36 2.6.16.27-omap122:27
p|and now it restart at every boot :)22:27
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timelessah.... you want a gui xinetd configurator or something22:28
massoudas my GPG chek is giving me an error22:28
p|so i need to stop it22:28
p|timeless: not necessary a gui22:28
p|also command line is ok22:28
massoudand my apt-get update is then messed up22:28
p|i've see there is 'update-rc.d'22:28
p|but no help on how to use it22:28
timelessum22:29
timelessOS 2005 Edition version 3.2005.51-1322:29
timelessOS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-722:29
timelessOS 2006 Edition version 1.2006.26-822:29
timelessOS 2006 Edition version 2.2006.39-1422:29
timelessOS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-222:29
timelesswhich is 36?22:29
* b0unc3 wizard-mounter-1.0 is out https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=44422:30
* timeless chuckles22:31
timelesshttp://hsivonen.iki.fi/22:32
timelessMaemo Source Code22:32
timeless    To save others the trouble of requesting the source, here are the contents of the package called .2.2006.39-14-srcs..22:32
p|when OS2008 comes, will be possible to have OS2007 to boot from mmc and OS2008 to boot from internal flash ?22:34
alteregop|, should be possible yes. Though I don't know who'll make the initfs.22:35
p|ok22:37
p|http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/22:37
massoudI have SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin22:38
massoudon my N77022:38
timelessum22:38
timelessthat's hacker edition22:38
massoudand I seem to have the wrong sources.list22:40
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massoudwhere can I a clean sources.list ?22:42
keesj get?22:43
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massoudget22:47
* timeless didn't know there were any sources.list files for any maemo versions22:47
* massoud likes to forget get22:47
timelessapt-forget22:47
GeneralAntillesThere aren't any sources.list files for maemo.22:48
GeneralAntillesUnless you find one floating around on an FTP somewhere.22:48
timelesshave you?22:48
keesjapt-dislike22:48
GeneralAntillesJust clear yours and use SSH to enter the repos on maemo.org again.22:48
GeneralAntillestimeless, well, yeah, on my FTP. ;)22:49
timelessstrange22:50
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timelesscompare:22:50
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list?raw=122:50
timelesshttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/chinook.sources.list22:50
timelesswhen i tried the non raw version, i got connection refused22:51
* timeless wonders why22:51
timelessi guess that's a sources.list file :)22:51
GeneralAntillesNon-raw works fine for me.22:51
timelessyeah, i wonder if the server was rebooting?22:51
* GeneralAntilles wants Chinook.22:51
timelesswell, you can read the sources :)22:52
GeneralAntillesHehe22:52
timeless[sanjay]$ uptime22:52
timeless 12:52:20 up 35 min,  5 users,  load average: 4.76, 1.89, 0.7622:52
timelesspoor box22:52
GeneralAntillesIs Chinook MicroB totally gonna kick ass?22:52
timelesstimeless@swift:/export/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data% uptime22:52
timeless 11:44pm  up 199 day(s),  5:05,  31 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0022:52
timelessit's currently kciking my ass22:53
timelessi have 50 lines left to go22:53
massoudworks better with the chinook list :)22:56
massoudtimeless : thanks, gracias, merci22:56
GeneralAntillesAlso: you can ignore the GPG errors.22:56
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massoudah yes ?22:56
timelessum, i wouldn't try mixing chinook w/ 2007he22:58
timelessunless i really wanted a brick22:58
GeneralAntillesThen you could clobber somebody with it!22:58
* GeneralAntilles goes off to put the Chinook repos on his 770.22:58
timelessoh, actually, you're right, i do have people to clobber22:58
timelessplease send me your brick when you're through with it22:59
timelessi'll put it to good use22:59
GeneralAntillesJust be sure to wipe it for fingerprints afterwards.22:59
timelessnah, i'll wear gloves and leave the original owner's prints :)23:00
GeneralAntillesHehe23:00
massoudeheh23:00
* timeless hopes people understand that this is meant humorously...23:00
czrpeople might..23:01
* czr hopes there are no lawyers around23:01
GeneralAntillesIt's IRC, how else could it be taken.23:01
timelessi hope never to find out23:03
alteregoHahah23:03
alteregoI don't think IRC should be taken that way timeless ;)23:03
timelesstouche?23:03
czrgezundheit23:04
massoudhow can I ignore the GPG errors BTW ?23:04
GeneralAntillesJust ignore them. ;)23:04
GeneralAntillesI don't think you can suppress the warnings.23:05
timelessclose your eyes23:05
GeneralAntillesmaemo.org needs to fix those at some point, though.23:05
massoudI close them now ?23:05
massoudcan u read me ?23:06
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alteregoFeed me seymour23:09
timelessdoublec, fwiw, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/23:10
doublecthanks timeless23:10
timelessit's a snapshot, i don't claim to understand if these things will even change23:11
alteregoIs it preferable to use osso state saving over gconf for settings that aren't really that important?23:13
alteregoBasically UI state ..23:13
alteregoI'm just wondering if it's better to use osso's state saving over gconf for storing information on list ordering and which group is currently being viewed.23:14
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czralterego, if you need to save something between reboots -> gconf. otherwise state saving might be better. not sure though.23:16
alteregoHmm.23:16
alteregoI have this feature. Where the app remembers the group your viewing (different groups of tasks/todo items) and also the order in which the group is being displayed (priority, date due ..)23:17
czrthat sounds like user preference23:17
alteregoI think maybe having this in gconf is a bit over kill ..23:17
czr-> gconf.23:17
czrunless you explicitly want the user to set the setting each time when they use the app.23:17
czrwhich sounds slightly silly to me :-)23:18
alteregoNo, not each time.23:18
alteregoMaybe once after a reboot :P23:18
alteregoWhich wouldn't be that often on an always on device.23:18
czrwhy do you think it's always on?23:18
alteregoMine is.23:18
czrmine isn't :-)23:18
alteregoLots of other peoples are.23:19
czrreally?23:19
czrhmm. maybe I'm weird.23:19
alteregoSure, why would you turn it off?23:19
czrto conserve battery-life23:19
alteregoMine lasts for days.23:19
czrhmm. interesting. maybe I should revise my usage patterns then23:19
alteregoSure, I turn on flight mode when I'm not using wireless/bluetooth23:20
alteregoBut unless you're actually doing something with the device it's likely to last for days idling.23:21
czrah nice. my weird vmware setup will work for tomorrow23:21
alteregoMaybe even a week or two if you're lucky ^_^23:21
czrI have a vm in the laptop. but I don't want to expose the laptop to a potentially hostile network23:21
czrbut exposing the vm is ok23:21
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czrso, just tested whether running bridged network in vmware works even if the host doesn't have any IP on the real interface. it does.23:22
alteregoNice23:22
* czr yays in a somewhat tired fashion.23:22
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czrnow, I need to figure out what to do resolution wise.23:23
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czrwidescreen laptop with 4:3 vm reso = not fun23:26
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czrah. very nice fullscreen mode now.23:27
* czr yays once more23:28
alteregoHeh23:28
alteregoI'm having a problem.23:28
* alterego growls a little.23:28
czrwhat's the problem?23:30
alteregogconf delay23:30
alteregoI'm using gconf to store a list of groups.23:30
alteregoWhen the user creates a new group I'd like to select that group.23:30
alteregoUnfortunately it's not possible as there appears to be a slight delay which breaks concurrency in my program :/23:31
alteregoI have a solution though.23:31
alteregoInstead of calling 'create_group' then 'select_group'23:32
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czrwell. gconf is client-server after all.23:32
alteregocreate_group will generate a signal notifying my app that a new group has been added to that variable. So I can then select the new item.23:32
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alteregoI just need to work out how to filter the event properly ;)23:32
czrstrcmp ftw ;-)23:33
alteregoHeh23:33
czranyhow, need sleep. good luck with the release :-)23:33
alteregoYeah, have a good snooze :)23:33
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czrI will.23:33
czrI think I even have a can of beer somewhere.23:33
GeneralAntillesWhy not just leave it plugged in when you're not using it? :\23:34
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alteregoRight, think I've done it ..23:53
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alteregoNice :)23:53
GeneralAntillesI disagree.23:54
GeneralAntillesIt's mediocre at best.23:54
GeneralAntillesWait, what?23:54
_MonkeyWait, is nflick an uploader?23:54
alteregoHeh23:54
GeneralAntillesWhy has _Monkey got to ruin everything?23:54
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alteregoIt's not _Monkey's fault. He doesn't know what he's saying.23:55
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GeneralAntillesThe where's Dr. Frankenstein so I can throw some torches at him? :P23:55
* alterego stops trying to be clever and starts hacking.23:56
alteregoI've had every aspect of this application working fine.23:57
p|what about kerez ?23:57
alteregoJust not at the same time.23:57
GeneralAntillesHa23:57
GeneralAntillesObviously you should split the individual components into a hundred different little apps.23:58
p|this is not very secure i think:  cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers~ && echo user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL >> /etc/sudoers23:58
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alteregoThat depends if you let other people use it and they can access the terminal.23:58
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alteregoBut no, it's not safe at all.23:58
alteregoBest just add the programs you plan on using.23:59
p|yes23:59

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