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| TPC | win 37 | 00:05 |
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| TPC | oops | 00:05 |
| Atarii | ssh'ing into the nokia is so sexy, why havnt i done this before! | 00:05 |
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| roope | Ei ne ymmärrä, että mitä niiden graffojen pitäisi tehdä. | 00:09 |
| roope | oops. :) | 00:09 |
| zeenix | roope: niin! ei ne ymmärrä :) | 00:11 |
| roope | Never mind. :) | 00:11 |
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| suposs | Hi guys. Just got my hands on a 770, and I was wondering if I should go with OS 2006 or the Hacker Edition 2007. What are the biggest improvements in HE compared to 2006, and what doesn't work | 00:24 |
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| Atarii | suposs check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 00:32 |
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| Jaffa | suposs: no idea, I'm afraid. There are a fair few threads about it on ITT | 00:32 |
| Atarii | :p | 00:32 |
| pupnik | i say you should stay with 2006 until you are quite familiar with the 770 | 00:32 |
| Atarii | ooo controversial | 00:33 |
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| suposs | I should say that I'm just planning to use it for sooling around, no mission critical stuff :) | 00:34 |
| suposs | s/sooling/fooling | 00:34 |
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| Atarii | i personally had 2006 for bout 2 days before upgrading to 2007 | 00:35 |
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| suposs | Atarii: And stuff generally works? | 00:35 |
| Atarii | yea no major problems so far | 00:36 |
| Atarii | i find it more responsive also | 00:36 |
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| Atarii | maybe u should put 2006 on first, just so you can see the difference with 2007 | 00:36 |
| flip^ | there's a page on maemo.org somewhere (i think) that says what the 'issues' are... aside from those issues, i think 2007 is meant to be ok on a 770 | 00:36 |
| flip^ | not that i have any way of actually knowing | 00:37 |
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| Lateralus | Is there a way to poll the internet connectivity status using coniciap other than using the "statistics" signal and checking something like the signal strength? I was doing an rpc call of ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ on the service bus, but it looks like ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ has disappeared. Atleast, my compiler thinks it's undeclared, and I can't find anything about it being moved to another header file. | 00:38 |
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| disq | Lateralus: use libconic. see maemo documentation at maemo.org for details | 00:46 |
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| Lateralus | disq: I'm attempting to use libconic, and I'm reading the documentation. I see no (good) method to determine if an iap is currently connected. Is using the statistics signal recommended, is there a better way? The con_ic_connection_statistics requires an iap id, I don't really care which, and would not want to poll them all, I just want to know if any are connected. | 00:53 |
| disq | Lateralus: see maemoscrobbler sourcecode | 00:54 |
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| Lateralus | disq: Checking it out now, thanks for your help | 00:55 |
| disq | scrobblerd.c :) | 00:55 |
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| Lateralus | disq: Perhaps I am missing something, I only see you registering a connection-event handler and then attempting to open a connection. I want to check for the availability of a connection and set the initial state of my daemon based on that. Nokia frowns on applications requesting connections when they start. | 01:07 |
| disq | you are. it is silent | 01:08 |
| Lateralus | Yes, I just looked up the enum value | 01:08 |
| Lateralus | thanks! | 01:08 |
| Lateralus | I'll read before asking next time :) | 01:08 |
| disq | remember to add libconic0 to the dependency list. nokia 770 doesn't have it installed by default (though it's available) | 01:08 |
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| Jiten | is it supposed to be possible to get this SD-card out of this external slot on n800? the quick start sheet tells me that I should just pull it out, the problem is, there is nothing I can get a hold of. | 02:10 |
| disq | fingernails do work. | 02:11 |
| _pcfe_ | Jiten: the slot has no eject mechanice | 02:11 |
| _pcfe_ | Jiten: the card _should_ have an indent on one side where you can latch a fingernail in | 02:12 |
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| _pcfe_ | Jiten: otherwise use pliers (fine pliers, not rought big stuff, preferably borrow something from the beauty case of wife/girlfriend/sister/mother | 02:13 |
| pupnik | stop biting fingernails | 02:13 |
| Jiten | nope, can't find an indentation to fit my fingernail in | 02:14 |
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| Jiten | I guess I'm not getting this card out. At least not today. | 02:22 |
| suposs | what's the easiest/best way to get a root account on 2007HE? | 02:23 |
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| Jiten | ok, after investigating another card from the same manufacturer, there is an indent, but it's way too shallow to be of any use. | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | gainroot? | 02:28 |
| _Monkey | i heard gainroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 02:28 |
| pupnik | ^^jiten | 02:28 |
| Jiten | ok, manager to slip the microSD out of this adapter with pliers :P | 02:29 |
| Jiten | managed even | 02:29 |
| Jiten | ok, got it out finally. I'm going to be rather careful about putting cards in this slow from now on :P | 02:31 |
| pupnik | nokia to release another n-gage ... | 02:34 |
| Jiten | ok, this 128MB one that was in the package comes out quite easily. | 02:37 |
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| gla55 | pupnik: link? if you're referring to a specific device rather than to the platform | 02:39 |
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| Tb0n3 | lulz | 02:41 |
| pupnik | sorry lost it - from an ngage site | 02:42 |
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| Tb0n3 | I rm /bin -rf and thought I fucked it up beyond repair cause the flash wasn't working | 02:42 |
| Tb0n3 | but then I finally tried the power cord | 02:42 |
| pupnik | gla55: i am looking to replace some pentium-based timer using rdtsc with something else... have you seen anyone do that before? :) | 02:42 |
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| gla55 | pupnik: sorry i'm quite useless unless the question is about j2me or symbian c++ | 02:43 |
| pupnik | heh.. ok here's some arm code to emulate rdtsc function (as a diff) https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-February/006579.html | 02:43 |
| pupnik | ooo i know where i can look | 02:44 |
| gla55 | there's a bunch of devices that are "ngage" now, n95, n81 etc, well actually they put the ngage brand on some earlier phones boxes too but they havent managed to get the online platform out untill maybe in recent future | 02:44 |
| pupnik | yeah it's too bad. ibut they have a lot invested in symbian so it's understandable | 02:45 |
| gla55 | it's too bad they havent had the brains to put proper pads | 02:45 |
| gla55 | hw wise they're quite powerful for games | 02:45 |
| gla55 | quake on n95 is cool, though you need a bt keyboard for proper controls.. | 02:46 |
| pupnik | have you tried the latest build of maemo quake? he fixed the control issues | 02:46 |
| pupnik | it's actually fun to play now | 02:47 |
| gla55 | nice | 02:47 |
| gla55 | oh yeah, someone wrote a bt driver for wiimote for symbian | 02:47 |
| pupnik | it's so fun when you say "i want the ui to be like *this*" and two days later the developer implements it exactly like you dreamed | 02:47 |
| gla55 | is there something like that for maemo? | 02:47 |
| pupnik | i think so actually | 02:47 |
| gla55 | would be nice for emus as widely available bt gamepad | 02:48 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 02:50 |
| Tb0n3 | oh god, kanye west mutilated Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger | 02:51 |
| Tb0n3 | that asshole | 02:51 |
| Robot101 | yeah it sucks | 02:52 |
| Tb0n3 | <3 daft punk | 02:52 |
| Tb0n3 | I forgot why I hated ubuntu | 02:53 |
| Tb0n3 | I remember now | 02:53 |
| Tb0n3 | shit sucks | 02:55 |
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| Tb0n3 | getting k3b to burn a debian disk | 02:58 |
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| Jiten | Tb0n3: why do you hate ubuntu then? | 03:01 |
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| pupnik | didn't know the sega master system was so much better than the NES | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | darn emus need a high resolution timer | 03:18 |
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| pupnik | #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val)) | 03:26 |
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| * pupnik ponders using gettimeofday(&tv, 0); | 03:42 | |
| madewokherd` | can anyone recommend a client for the n770? (or am I in the wrong place for this?) | 03:42 |
| madewokherd` | er, irc client | 03:42 |
| pupnik | xchat, gaim, irssi | 03:42 |
| madewokherd` | I'm told xchat doesn't work | 03:42 |
| pupnik | worked for me... but i use bluetooth keyboard | 03:42 |
| gla55 | i had hard time at some point finding a deb for it for then current it.. but that was ages ago | 03:43 |
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| |R | http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | hmm looks like gettimeofday might be close enough for jazz | 03:53 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup | 03:53 |
| Tb0n3 | I don't know how to use vi | 03:59 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 03:59 |
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| [31d1] | _Monkey: vi? | 04:02 |
| _Monkey | vi is scarry to me | 04:02 |
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| Tb0n3 | god damn | 04:38 |
| Tb0n3 | firefox is being faggoty | 04:39 |
| Tb0n3 | also ubuntu | 04:39 |
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| |R | does anyone know if the blueZ audio support added in chinook (4.0) means that we can have bluetooth headsets? | 04:42 |
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| pupnik | seems some people were working on that | 04:48 |
| zerojay | Apparently, a freshly compiled version of Bluez would give you that *right now*. | 04:50 |
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| |R | argh wtf, rebooted and now wifi is dead | 05:42 |
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| |R | (after kismet crashed and i rebooted) | 05:43 |
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| |R | ah fiew, removing the battery worked | 05:50 |
| |R | wifi is back ;) | 05:50 |
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| |R | http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/article.php/3664466 <- is the guy saying that bluetooth headsets work? | 06:29 |
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| czr | mornink | 08:47 |
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| |R | czr : mornin' :) | 09:08 |
| |R | but good night for me ;) | 09:08 |
| * |R , after 2 days, has everything he wanted basically working and will have tomorrow to see how he can get programs installed on SD cards... | 09:09 | |
| czr | night |R | 09:12 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:39 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:46 |
| felipec | morning AD-N770 | 11:49 |
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| velco | hi | 12:39 |
| velco | where does one get libcairo2-dev for maemo ? | 12:39 |
| velco | or just compile mainstream cairo ? | 12:39 |
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| alterego | Lalalala | 12:51 |
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| pupnik_ | hi velco, isn't cairo kind of heavy? | 13:01 |
| pupnik_ | hmm i see it | 13:01 |
| pupnik_ | /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.11.4 | 13:01 |
| pupnik_ | repositories? | 13:01 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 13:01 |
| pupnik_ | velco: search there | 13:01 |
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| velco | thanks | 13:05 |
| velco | didn't know about the index :) | 13:05 |
| velco | oh, and I didn't setup the extras in this target, only on the other :( | 13:07 |
| velco | thanks | 13:08 |
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| SLi | Hi. Wondering if something's wrong with my SDK setup or with libcurl, as I get... | 13:49 |
| SLi | > pkg-config --libs libcurl | 13:49 |
| SLi | -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl | 13:49 |
| SLi | But at least for me, -rpath seems to take only one argument and needs to be repeated, like -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ ... | 13:50 |
| jumpula | SLi: sb-conf sh | 13:50 |
| SLi | Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 | 13:51 |
| SLi | Devkits: perl debian-sarge maemo3-tools doctools maemo3-debian | 13:51 |
| SLi | CPU-transparency: none | 13:51 |
| jumpula | dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 | 13:51 |
| jumpula | (outside sbox) | 13:51 |
| SLi | I installed scratchbox from the .tar.gz's... | 13:52 |
| jumpula | less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog | 13:52 |
| jumpula | the information i need is the version number of maemo3 devkit | 13:53 |
| SLi | The latest entry is | 13:53 |
| SLi | Thu Jun 7 01:16:44 EEST 2007 Jussi Hakala <jussi.hakala@movial.fi> tagged sb-maemo3-devkit_1.0 | 13:53 |
| SLi | So I assume 1.0 :) | 13:53 |
| jumpula | yeah | 13:54 |
| jumpula | just as i thought | 13:54 |
| SLi | Old? | 13:54 |
| jumpula | yup | 13:54 |
| jumpula | but you can fix the problem manually | 13:54 |
| SLi | Ah. | 13:54 |
| jumpula | at least the one you're having now :) | 13:54 |
| jumpula | cd /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/lib | 13:54 |
| jumpula | ls *.la | 13:54 |
| SLi | I see. I guess there's no clean way to update sb-maemo3-devkit without using the .debs? | 13:55 |
| jumpula | move those files somewhere else (as root) and try again the pkg-confing from inside the scratchbox | 13:55 |
| jumpula | *pkg-config | 13:55 |
| jumpula | the easiest way is to install stuff from debs, so you can update them more easily | 13:55 |
| SLi | I just didn't like the .debs installing it to /scratchbox, but I guess I could tolerate it now that I understand better what kind of system scratchbox is. | 13:56 |
| jumpula | or, you can just delete the old devkit and extract the new version to replace it | 13:56 |
| jumpula | in the devkit tarball, there are only maemo3 prefixed directories under /scratchbox/devkits | 13:56 |
| SLi | Hmm, I guess I'll try that. | 13:56 |
| SLi | Ok, that's nice. Thanks. | 13:57 |
| jumpula | but for example for toolchains, you need to update stuff from device_tools as well as the compilers dir | 13:57 |
| SLi | Hmm hm. I guess I'll just reinstall from .debs. | 13:58 |
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| jumpula | tar t -f devkit-tarball.tar.gz | 14:00 |
| jumpula | that way you see what needs to be updated | 14:01 |
| dpb_ | t -f? | 14:01 |
| jumpula | yup | 14:01 |
| SLi | Yeah. | 14:01 |
| dpb_ | just use "tar tf" like normal people.. :p | 14:01 |
| SLi | I still guess it's easiest considering future updates to reinstall from the debs. :) | 14:01 |
| jumpula | i'm not normal :) | 14:01 |
| dpb_ | I know :) | 14:02 |
| jumpula | x) | 14:02 |
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| jumpula | SLi: depends if you want to avoid work now just to face it again in the future :) | 14:02 |
| SLi | Yep. | 14:02 |
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| SLi | It isn't possible to develop for current N800 (with OS 2007) with Chinook beta, right? | 14:05 |
| lardman | anyone happen to remember what version of gcc will chinook use? | 14:06 |
| lardman | 3.4.4 | 14:08 |
| alterego | SLi, sure you can. | 14:08 |
| alterego | You can install chinook on the device. | 14:09 |
| alterego | Don't know how though, as far as I know it's a bit tricky. | 14:09 |
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| lac_ | hi | 14:10 |
| SLi | alterego, ok. But anyway so I've understood correctly it's something that will eventually become OS 2008 or something. | 14:10 |
| alterego | Yes, development in chinook is for the next IT OS release. | 14:11 |
| alterego | Whether that's 2008 I don't know. | 14:12 |
| alterego | I'd imagine so. | 14:12 |
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| lac_ | I have a question about tap_and_hold. I have an applet, with CSM menu added by gtk_tap_and_hold_setup, for the whole frame. I want to block the menu on particural regions of the frame (especially scrollbars). How can I do that? | 14:13 |
| alterego | Hmmm .. Starting to get hungry now. | 14:15 |
| alterego | Wonder what I should have for Brunch | 14:15 |
| solmumaha | alterego: first the release | 14:16 |
| alterego | :P | 14:16 |
| alterego | I'm having some issues at the moment. | 14:16 |
| alterego | I think treeview is broken. :/ | 14:16 |
| alterego | For some reason it's not showing the little arrows. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Ever :( | 14:19 |
| solmumaha | that's all? | 14:21 |
| alterego | Yes, | 14:21 |
| alterego | I personally think it's a big deal :P | 14:22 |
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| alterego | Maybe I'm just stalling to annoy you :P | 14:23 |
| solmumaha | not that easy | 14:24 |
| solmumaha | missing xmms2 bindings, now that's annoying ;) | 14:26 |
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| SLi | BTW in case someone's interested, I have a (at least so far) working scratchbox+nokia sdk environment on amd64, I just had to hack the installer script to not test for ia32 (that broke it even in an ia32 chroot). I installed the environment in an ia32 chroot, but cd'ing to it and running ./login works just fine even outside the ia32 chroot. | 14:36 |
| SLi | I guess it _might_ work even without an ia32 chroot when installed from the tarballs or with dpkg --force-architecture. | 14:39 |
| alterego | That's very promising SLi | 14:44 |
| alterego | Good to know :) | 14:44 |
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| Jaffa | SLi: I don't have a ia32 chroot, but sounds cool | 15:02 |
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| alterego | You shouldn't need a chroot. | 15:11 |
| alterego | scratchbox itself is a chroot. | 15:11 |
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| cosmo | is there somewhere documentation what is missing from flash image built with SDK versus released flash images? | 15:22 |
| alterego | Genereally, the documentation that is missing is an indication of what's missing in the SDK as opposed to the official IT OS releases ;) | 15:23 |
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| Blacksito | buenos dias | 16:06 |
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| cosmo | hmm... could someone test what does this outputs in scratchbox? /usr/bin/curl-config --libs | 16:14 |
| Dawnmist | -L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz | 16:15 |
| cosmo | on 3.2? | 16:16 |
| Dawnmist | Yep | 16:16 |
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| cosmo | did you install with nokia shell scripts or manually? | 16:17 |
| Dawnmist | nokia shell scripts | 16:17 |
| cosmo | weird. so did i. | 16:17 |
| Dawnmist | but haven't updated in the last week either. | 16:17 |
| cosmo | and mine outputs -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lidn -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz | 16:17 |
| seg | that what I get too | 16:18 |
| cosmo | ..and these options don't work when compiling anything | 16:18 |
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| Dawnmist | you logged in? seems strange to get the /scratchbox directories (not that I know much about scratchbox/maemo) | 16:18 |
| cosmo | check out that /usr/bin/curl-config script.. it should output the shorter options | 16:19 |
| cosmo | yep, that's inside scratchbox | 16:19 |
| pupnik | greetings Dawnmist | 16:19 |
| cosmo | really weird problem, i have no clue what might cause this | 16:20 |
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| seg | which curl-config returns /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config | 16:24 |
| seg | but still strange | 16:24 |
| cosmo | yep. and compilation of app that uses autotools fails because curl build test fails on configure | 16:26 |
| seg | the configure script calls /usr/bin/curl-config or just curl-config ? | 16:27 |
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| pupnik | i had to beat curl into rubble a while back and just use a part of it | 16:29 |
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| cosmo | config.log says ac_cv_path__libcurl_config=/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config | 16:31 |
| seg | that one is hard-coded to return the long list - but why /usr/bin/curl-config also does that is weird | 16:34 |
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| jumpula | seg: old version of maemo3 devkit | 16:36 |
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| seg | jumpula: ok - can I update my scratchbox with the new devkit , or is it better to install from scratch? | 16:37 |
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| jumpula | seg: installed from the tarballs or debs? | 16:40 |
| jumpula | upgrading won't actually help | 16:40 |
| jumpula | :) | 16:40 |
| jumpula | the host-side curl-config is invoked when maemo3-tools is selected | 16:41 |
| cosmo | i installed from tarballs | 16:41 |
| jumpula | meaning that configure scripts detect the host stuff | 16:41 |
| jumpula | which is bad | 16:41 |
| seg | I installed from debs | 16:41 |
| cosmo | is there a way to check devkit's version? | 16:41 |
| jumpula | you can circumvent this with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config --libs | 16:41 |
| jumpula | dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 | 16:42 |
| jumpula | or less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/ChangeLog | 16:42 |
| jumpula | 3 hours ago we were talking about this :) | 16:43 |
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| jumpula | SLi: ping | 16:43 |
| jumpula | SLi: see my line about the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE | 16:43 |
| jumpula | anyway, maemo3 devkit 1.0 has some conflicting la files that may crash builds | 16:44 |
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| jumpula | this has been fixed in 1.0.1 | 16:44 |
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| jumpula | although the problem you're all having is with redirection | 16:44 |
| flip^ | hmm, i need a home applet that shows my IP address | 16:48 |
| cosmo | No packages found matching scratchbox-devkit-maemo3. | 16:48 |
| cosmo | ah, outside sb | 16:49 |
| jumpula | yeah | 16:49 |
| jumpula | no scratchboxes inside scratchbox :) | 16:49 |
| cosmo | i've got latest (1.0.1) | 16:50 |
| SLi | jumpula, ok, thanks. I already reinstalled from up-to-date debs, though. :) | 16:50 |
| jumpula | no harm in that, the problem with 1.0 is quite serious :) | 16:51 |
| seg | got to go - happy hunting - will check the logs later | 16:52 |
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| cosmo | hm, any ideas how to work around this problem? even aliasing the devkit curl-config doesn't seem to satisfy configure | 17:01 |
| cosmo | alias /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' | 17:02 |
| cosmo | alias curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' | 17:02 |
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| * lardman is waiting impatiently for the FCC documents become available... (next month) | 17:02 | |
| jumpula | ./configure SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config CURL-CONFIG=/usr/bin/curl-config | 17:03 |
| * lardman has also forgotten to use prepositions | 17:03 | |
| Esworp | Newb question; in the mail app, is there a way to mark multiple messsages 'as read' at once? | 17:03 |
| jumpula | not sure about the CURL-CONFIG= part, see if ./configure --help can verify that | 17:03 |
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| cosmo | --with-libcurl=DIR look for the curl library in DIR | 17:05 |
| cosmo | but no mention of CURL-CONFIG | 17:05 |
| jumpula | --with-libcurl=/usr | 17:06 |
| jumpula | usually, for example, perl path can be specified with PERL=/path/to/perl for configure, even though ./configure --help doesn't say so | 17:07 |
| jumpula | --with-curl-config=/usr/bin/curl-config perhaps? | 17:09 |
| jumpula | or just /usr | 17:09 |
| jumpula | depending if it tries to give the bin part itself or requiring a path directly to binary | 17:09 |
| jumpula | if all else fails, turn maemo3-tools temporarily off for the target or remove it from the PATH | 17:11 |
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| jumpula | when the redirection rule is in place and the PATH contains only target's version of curl-config, you should be fine | 17:12 |
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| cosmo | hm, i think i got it working | 17:16 |
| cosmo | thanks! | 17:16 |
| SLi | Should osso_iap_connect() make the callback sometime in SDK too? | 17:17 |
| cosmo | i hope they fix this issue soon.. it's always a bit annoying to add workarounds in your scripts | 17:17 |
| pupnik | lardman: what info will be released then? | 17:17 |
| pupnik | chipset? photos? | 17:17 |
| pupnik | or just radio/wifi/bt | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | Geek Humour (sfw) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png | 17:21 |
| SLi | Hmm, apparently no internet connectivity daemon in SDK, so the app will never be told that there is a connection? | 17:21 |
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| cosmo | is maemo version number available in some file? | 17:36 |
| jumpula | maemo3 devkit? /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog | 17:38 |
| jumpula | or do you mean like bora, or ... ? | 17:39 |
| cosmo | bora or 3.2 or something like that | 17:39 |
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| michael | hello all | 18:14 |
| florian | hi michael | 18:14 |
| michael | i have a question about creating an image for the n800 | 18:15 |
| michael | I would like to install all of my programs and then create an image in case i mess it up in the future...that way all I need to do is just flash my image rather than reinstall all of my apps | 18:16 |
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| Esworp | Does rhw | 18:16 |
| Esworp | Does the backup app work so that you could copy the resulting files created? | 18:17 |
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| pparker | hi everyone | 18:20 |
| pparker | do you know how to talk with gnuite or anyone from maemo mapper ? | 18:21 |
| michael | any suggestions on creating an image file? | 18:21 |
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| zoran | michael, does it satisfy if you just copy it to newly made /bin directory? | 18:23 |
| pupnik | Is there a memory register that functions as a cycle-accurate timer on OMAP1710/2420? Something where i can do one asm read/copy and get a cycle-accurate value without invoking a syscall? | 18:23 |
| michael | i am not sure if that would work | 18:23 |
| zoran | why not | 18:24 |
| michael | you know when u mess up u'r 800 u use the flasher tool to reeflash | 18:24 |
| pupnik | michael: if you set up multiboot on your mmc, you can backup/restore images with dd | 18:24 |
| michael | thats what i want to do but flash from an image i created | 18:24 |
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| michael | i dont want to boot from mmc | 18:24 |
| lardman | pupnik: why? | 18:24 |
| lardman | pupnik: what do you want to time to that sort of accuracy? | 18:25 |
| pupnik | i've got an emulator that uses a cycle-accurate pentium asm instruction for a timer | 18:25 |
| pupnik | #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val)) | 18:25 |
| pupnik | rdtsc(T0); | 18:26 |
| pupnik | /* Execute rdtsc pentium instruction store result into T0. */ | 18:26 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDTSC | 18:26 |
| pupnik | Gp2x has something similar | 18:26 |
| pupnik | correct | 18:27 |
| pupnik | i found some ARM docs that mention such counters for development boards etc | 18:27 |
| lardman | https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2002-October/001182.html | 18:28 |
| zoran | pupnik, unrelated to your rdtsc question; I learnt that on bsd nvi is the same app that user could fire up as vi | 18:28 |
| pupnik | will have to do my own reas... hmm | 18:28 |
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| zoran | so, no classic vi on bsd box | 18:28 |
| pupnik | yeah i saw that thread lardman | 18:29 |
| lardman | pupnik: no idea then, sorry | 18:30 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup this might be good enough (gettimeofday()) | 18:31 |
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| lardman | depends how often you need to query i suppose | 18:32 |
| lardman | there will presumably be more overhead in setting up and tearing down the timer than with the tickcounter | 18:33 |
| pupnik | here's the code referenced by that rtai thread btw.. | 18:33 |
| pupnik | http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/php/tjuerges/ALMA/RTOS/api/arch-clps711x_2rtai__timer_8h-source.html | 18:33 |
| lardman | there was also some for the SA | 18:35 |
| pupnik | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/2.6.16.yuv420+tearsync-not-working.diff ahh some interesting references there | 18:37 |
| zoran | A | 18:40 |
| pupnik | kwd clock_get | 18:41 |
| pupnik | clk | 18:41 |
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| lardman | is there a way of #defining a macro that can handle a variable list of input parameters? | 18:42 |
| lardman | for example if I wanted to #define printf() into fprintf() for example | 18:43 |
| lardman | or would I need to declare a wrapper function and use that nasty variable argument parsing business? | 18:43 |
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| rhys | wherre can i get the new firmware? | 18:49 |
| rhys | its downloading at 1.3kb/s | 18:49 |
| rhys | :( | 18:49 |
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| rhys | is there a mirror anywhere? | 18:51 |
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| rhys | anyone? :( | 18:53 |
| zoran | rhys, it is about 60 Mb | 18:54 |
| lardman | no, not that I know of | 18:54 |
| Tak|work | http://pastebin.ca/731987 | 18:54 |
| pupnik | sfw - cheezy video of classic console gaming http://one.revver.com/watch/426032/flv/affiliate/67684 | 18:55 |
| pupnik | re;evamt to ?? Tak|work ? | 18:56 |
| rhys | zoran, its 83mb | 18:56 |
| zoran | folks, where lays socat 1.5 for 2006? it has a page in downloads | 18:56 |
| rhys | nokias server is crazy slow | 18:56 |
| zoran | rhys, even worse | 18:56 |
| Tak|work | not relevant to anything per se; just a script I just wrote to dump a .glade file to a const string in a .h file so that it gets embedded in the executable rather than having to keep track of ${DATADIR}/blah.glade | 18:57 |
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| X-Fade | rhys: I'm getting 1.86MB/s here.. | 18:57 |
| rhys | X-Fade, wtf. im on internet2, and can pull 5MB/s off internet 1 | 18:59 |
| rhys | :\ | 18:59 |
| rhys | right now im getting 7.6kb/s | 18:59 |
| zoran | nice ole dial up modem? | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | nah, never saw more than ~5kb/s on a modem | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | rhys: My guess is international mirrors. | 19:01 |
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| rhys | zoran, i just mentioned im on I2. im at college. theres no way its my connections fault | 19:01 |
| rhys | X-Fade, can you direct connect send it to me? :( | 19:02 |
| rhys | its so sad. yesterday it was actually faster to download the new ubuntu iso from oregon (I2) than transfer it from my usb drive. | 19:02 |
| rhys | and now i get 7.6kb/s :( | 19:03 |
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| lardman | If I want to define a macro like so: http://pastebin.ca/732005 | 19:07 |
| lardman | is it possible to more the newline inside the A argument by some trickery? | 19:07 |
| rhys | X-Fade, can you at least send me the direct link your downloading from? | 19:07 |
| pupnik | dunno lardman :( | 19:08 |
| lardman | pupnik: doesn't matter, that should work (I think), just wanted to make it neater :) | 19:08 |
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| zoran | I'd like to know, if I see "missling install file" on download server, does it mean that the particular file does not exist entirely? | 19:19 |
| Tak|work | lardman: printf(A"\n", args); | 19:20 |
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| |R | beside constructing a dual boot system and messing the whole boot structure... would anyone have a simpler suggestion on how to add big packages that would fill the n800's internal ram rapidly? (gjiden for example will need a lot of space for dictionary and fonts) | 19:23 |
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| |R | should i just extract them to SD cards with a cloned system and chroot there? | 19:23 |
| Tak|work | symlink /var/cache/apt to /media/mmcsomething? | 19:24 |
| |R | that would be an idea for the packages, but what about the installed files? | 19:24 |
| |R | they have to be at the right place in the system to work :/ | 19:24 |
| zoran | no diff | 19:24 |
| |R | i can't isntall fonts in tmp and then libs in bin and expect this to work :) | 19:25 |
| zoran | ln -s /media/mmc2/bin/file /bin/file | 19:25 |
| |R | uhm ok.. yeah | 19:25 |
| |R | i'll do a massive linking, why not :) | 19:25 |
| |R | i hope the busybox sed/bash is good enougth for some scripting :P | 19:25 |
| Tak|work | ah @ installed files | 19:25 |
| zoran | be aware not to do link for whole /bin | 19:25 |
| |R | no of course :) | 19:26 |
| |R | but i thougth the cards were no-exec mounted? | 19:26 |
| Tak|work | bludgeon the packager for not giving an option to install data to mmc? | 19:26 |
| |R | i can change it i guess | 19:26 |
| |R | (fstab and such) | 19:26 |
| zoran | you could always make it ext2 | 19:26 |
| |R | i was just wondering if there was any counter indications, i'm used to linux but not with ones that are not on PCs ;) | 19:26 |
| zoran | like du and df | 19:27 |
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| zoran | Tak|work, do you think the box will boot if link goes like "ln -s /media/mmc2/bin /bin" ? | 19:29 |
| zoran | it could not find some essential binaries | 19:30 |
| pupnik | how can a package installer (preinst, postinst) be made to query user where data goes? | 19:31 |
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| Tak|work | zoran: I wouldn't risk it ;-)( | 19:31 |
| zoran | me neither | 19:32 |
| |R | hehe same here ;) | 19:32 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: several packages do similar things, like asking if the menu item should go in extras or games | 19:33 |
| pupnik | you're right... i can't remember which do it tho | 19:33 |
| zoran | does someone use ssl on 2006 to connect to server? I have to handle socat for pop port 995 | 19:33 |
| zoran | it has no verify option, if I'm not wrong | 19:34 |
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| lardman | Tak|work: thanks, I forgot that strings get concatenated like that | 19:37 |
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| rhys | anyone have the newest firmware? | 20:09 |
| * alterego does | 20:10 | |
| |R | same here | 20:12 |
| |R | RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 20:12 |
| |R | this? | 20:13 |
| rhys | YEs! | 20:13 |
| |R | want me to u/l it somewhere? | 20:13 |
| rhys | i can only get it at 7kb/s from nokias sist | 20:13 |
| rhys | yesyeysyeys! | 20:13 |
| |R | where could that be? :) | 20:13 |
| rhys | ah | 20:14 |
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| rhys | direct connect could work... | 20:14 |
| rhys | i could make you a login to my server if you want | 20:14 |
| |R | sure, anything will do, ftp, scp, whatever :) | 20:14 |
| Dregz|Aloof | Yeah, I was gettingeda poor connection yesterday. | 20:14 |
| |R | i can u/l at 80k/sec | 20:14 |
| rhys | i can download at 5MB/s | 20:15 |
| |R | hehe ;) | 20:15 |
| |R | i wish i could | 20:15 |
| rhys | are you on i2? | 20:15 |
| |R | at home or work / univ ? | 20:15 |
| rhys | |R, direct connect would be easier | 20:15 |
| rhys | uni | 20:15 |
| |R | no, just on a local cable provider at home ) | 20:15 |
| |R | :) | 20:15 |
| rhys | |R, can you dc? | 20:16 |
| |R | what do you call direct connect? | 20:16 |
| rhys | actually, i can host it on my http mirror here, if someone wants to place it in the topic for the channel | 20:16 |
| rhys | |R, whats built into most IRC clients. what xchat has | 20:17 |
| |R | oh ok! hehe | 20:17 |
| |R | i guess yes, though haven't used this in bitchx for a long time ;) | 20:17 |
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| |R | are you getting something? | 20:17 |
| rhys | aye. wtf. | 20:18 |
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| |R | urhm... | 20:19 |
| rhys | im getting 3k a sec | 20:19 |
| rhys | one second. this is odd | 20:19 |
| |R | yep, i can see that | 20:19 |
| |R | and my connection is completely iddle here | 20:19 |
| |R | (no p2p or anything :P) | 20:19 |
| |R | would there be a problem between you and internet 1 ? :| | 20:19 |
| rhys | there throttling here somehow. | 20:19 |
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| rhys | sob. | 20:24 |
| rhys | this is mad. i just talked to my boss (i work in IT) and apparently the throttling for the wifi changes by time | 20:24 |
| rhys | during work hours its massive | 20:25 |
| rhys | still | 20:26 |
| |R | argh :| | 20:26 |
| rhys | would people still like a server to host that here? like to post in the topic? | 20:26 |
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| rhys_ | so after being disconnected here | 20:40 |
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| pupnik | "Contrary to what steve jobs has to say: the 'real' internet is not 480 pixels wide, flash-free, and subdivided into neat little div containers for apple's convenience." haha ZAP | 21:09 |
| pupnik | "Also these communicators (n800/770) need a GSM radio like a hole in the head. Why would you want to pay for a second data plan when you could just tether to your current phone and share it's data plan, then upgrade your phone if you want faster service (or a different provider)." = Peter Tripp +++ | 21:10 |
| disq | who's quote is that | 21:10 |
| pupnik | previous was 'roc ingersot' | 21:10 |
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| pupnik | i like the n800 custom clamp mount for train use: http://thickerthanbloodthebook.com/research/770/ | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, totally agreed on the GSM radio | 21:19 |
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| suihkulokki | compared to maemo, what do people most miss from "real debian" | 21:26 |
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| alterego | sshfs | 21:28 |
| alterego | :) | 21:28 |
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| Lateralus | disq: Our applications are similar, did you never have any problems where osso_initialize returned NULL? | 21:35 |
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| alterego | Lateralus, most common problems are invalid dbus .session or .desktop files. | 21:36 |
| Lateralus | alterego: It's a daemon, there is no .desktop file | 21:37 |
| alterego | Oh | 21:37 |
| alterego | Then check the session file. | 21:37 |
| Lateralus | alterego: the "session" file? Do you mean service file? | 21:38 |
| alterego | Yes, that's what I mean :) | 21:38 |
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| disq | Lateralus: not sure if i did | 21:39 |
| Lateralus | My service file looks ok, the only difference is that right now the daemon is thrown in /usr/local/bin, rather than /usr/bin/ | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, Lateralus. | 21:40 |
| czr | hey alterego | 21:42 |
| alterego | Hello czy, meet your deadline okay? | 21:43 |
| alterego | czr ;) | 21:43 |
| czr | alterego, "kind of" :-) | 21:43 |
| alterego | :) | 21:43 |
| czr | still continuing. | 21:43 |
| czr | had really funny feedback on one of the materials. the reviewer got scared about the length of the scrollbars in the browser ;-) | 21:44 |
| alterego | Hahah | 21:44 |
| czr | the solution for that problem (obviously) was to shift the browser slightly to the right, so that the scrollbar wouldn't be visible anymore :-) | 21:44 |
| alterego | Hahah | 21:45 |
| disq | lol | 21:46 |
| czr | other than that, still a lot of stuff to do for the other material, so I think I'll be busy for quite some time still. | 21:46 |
| czr | but at least the glib-dbus stuff seems to be ok, which is a relief to me. | 21:46 |
| disq | i need some volunteers to test the latest kagu from svn. trevarthan's been busy, so i am the sole coder+tester right now | 21:47 |
| disq | especially the a2dp enable/disable code, i modified it but had no way to test | 21:48 |
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| playya | i would test it but i only have a n800 @ work and there we re not allowed to connect to svn | 22:10 |
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| alterego | sucks to be you :P | 22:13 |
| Atarii | konttori u there? | 22:14 |
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| konttori | yeah | 22:14 |
| konttori | hmm... I think I've just been able to find out how to support stage6 videos on uktube | 22:16 |
| konttori | Hmm... maybe | 22:16 |
| konttori | definately maybe | 22:16 |
| konttori | I have to try it later on. | 22:16 |
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| Lateralus | http://pastebin.com/d6a1f917c This is the code that dies at osso_initialize (gets NULL) | 22:30 |
| Lateralus | The service file data is at the bottom of the post | 22:30 |
| disq | weird. examined but no idea | 22:36 |
| disq | try calling g_main_loop_new() after osso_init? | 22:37 |
| Lateralus | the only thing different than other things I've seen is the location of the binary, which shouldn't matter, afaik | 22:37 |
| Lateralus | disq: k | 22:37 |
| pupnik | lateralus, you're not a 20 year old girl living in wisconsin are you? | 22:38 |
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| Lateralus | pupnik: I'm half afraid to answer, but, no. | 22:38 |
| pupnik | well then be aware of low uniqueness quotient on your chosen nickname | 22:38 |
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| Lateralus | I had changed in the past, but Lateralus was muscle memory after a certain point | 22:39 |
| playya | Lateralus, do you run this as user or root? | 22:40 |
| Lateralus | playya: root | 22:40 |
| disq | i have a muscle-memorized password i rarely use (only for a certain ssh key). i thought i forgot it once. tried closing my eyes and typing away, and it worked | 22:41 |
| playya | this might be the problem | 22:41 |
| Lateralus | playya: user would not have been able to lock the tmp file, etc | 22:41 |
| Lateralus | playya: Oh? | 22:41 |
| disq | yeah root could be the prob | 22:41 |
| playya | i ran my app as root too and osso was null too | 22:41 |
| Lateralus | disq: We have an insane password here at work for our only "hub" server, which has routes to a lot of the boxes in our DC, I can only get it right by typing it without thinking | 22:42 |
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| czr | is it "insanepassword"? | 22:44 |
| playya | mypassword | 22:44 |
| playya | 111111 | 22:44 |
| playya | beerandpizza | 22:44 |
| * czr should develop a pam module that accepts passwords when input in binary only | 22:44 | |
| czr | although you'd first have to MIME-encode it before going into binary, then use 6 bits per character | 22:45 |
| czr | ultimate security | 22:45 |
| Lateralus | disq: If you aren't running scrobblerd as root, how are you writing the .lock file? | 22:46 |
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| playya | use semaphores or sth | 22:47 |
| disq | the lock file fails and i trust the dbus :( | 22:48 |
| disq | Lateralus: songlistend will only fork() (and .lock) if it's not called with --dbus (ie. ran from the cmdlne) | 22:50 |
| disq | the service file has a --dbus param after the binary | 22:50 |
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| disq | same for scrobblerd | 22:50 |
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| lardman | am I right in thinking that if I fork a process I shouldn't write to stdout with the child? | 22:51 |
| lardman | or at least not with one of them | 22:52 |
| disq | you could. it will work for a while until the tty is closed. but you shouldn't | 22:52 |
| lardman | oh, are writes atomic? | 22:52 |
| Tak|work | won't it confuse the stdout buffering? | 22:52 |
| lardman | what would happen if both child & parent write at the same time? | 22:52 |
| playya | i dont think so | 22:52 |
| playya | today i started over 200 parallel downloads | 22:53 |
| playya | that was a problem | 22:53 |
| disq | it will confuse the connected user, messages appearing from nowhere | 22:53 |
| lardman | the connected user will be me | 22:53 |
| lardman | I need to see the 'dsp' side and 'arm' side messages | 22:53 |
| lardman | but running both sides on the same processor so I can actually debug the **** thing ;) | 22:54 |
| lardman | the other option is to use some other IPC method to communicate messages between the processes. I'm open to suggestions | 22:54 |
| Tak|work | try it and see what happens ;-) | 22:55 |
| lardman | true :) | 22:55 |
| lardman | I was just hoping to avoid any dead ends | 22:55 |
| disq | syslog? | 22:55 |
| _Monkey | syslog is, like, apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) | 22:55 |
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| disq | i did all my debugging in maemoscrobbler daemons with syslogd (install it first of course :P ) | 22:56 |
| disq | shut up _Monkey | 22:56 |
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| lardman | disq: I'd prefer to be able to pipe the data to file to analyse it later, my syslog output is quite full atm | 22:56 |
| lardman | _Monkey: ignore syslog | 22:56 |
| _Monkey | lardman: excuse me? | 22:56 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget syslog | 22:56 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot syslog | 22:56 |
| disq | ah. hrm. fopen("/tmp/dumpfile", "w+") ? (was append w+?) | 22:57 |
| playya | no | 22:57 |
| playya | a+ | 22:57 |
| lardman | again, are writes atomic, so will the data from each process appear on its own line? | 22:57 |
| disq | right | 22:57 |
| playya | lardman, no | 22:57 |
| playya | short write? | 22:57 |
| playya | try spinlock | 22:57 |
| lardman | not ideal, but probably not a major issue as the code is event based - one side sends a message and the other processes while the first waits | 22:58 |
| lardman | playya: too compilcated, I want something quick and (not too) dirty | 22:58 |
| Lateralus | disq: which is to say, when you run scrobblerd as root from cmdline your application doesn't work? And under normal operation, it isn't ran as a daemon? | 22:58 |
| disq | hmmm.. they're not atomic i think. try different dumpfiles with timestamps? | 22:58 |
| lardman | ah, that's another idea that I might try | 22:59 |
| disq | Lateralus: normally it's invoked via dbus, and works in the background. i tried the daemon idea for a while but it didn't work out | 22:59 |
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| lardman | Right, must go watch Heroes then back to try one/all of these ideas out; thanks chaps | 22:59 |
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| Lateralus | disq: and to your knowledge, other than going below libosso with dbus directly, there is no easy way to get a daemon working? | 23:00 |
| playya | semaphores | 23:00 |
| playya | i looked up in a book | 23:00 |
| playya | spinlocks cant sleep | 23:00 |
| lardman|tv | playya: I should be able to get away without anything so complex as the code spends all its time waiting on the other process | 23:00 |
| disq | Lateralus: you want osso but in a daemon. there should be a way but i'm not aware of it | 23:01 |
| lardman|tv | playya: the idea being that the dsp is doing all the work & the arm is sat there waiting (& saving power/browsing the web/etc.) | 23:01 |
| disq | could try asking in maemo-devel or here again just in work hours (so that nokians can answer) | 23:01 |
| lardman|tv | disq: me? | 23:01 |
| disq | no, Lateralus | 23:02 |
| disq | you watch peter petrelli :) | 23:02 |
| lardman|tv | I'm off to do that, bbl | 23:02 |
| Lateralus | disq: I have contacts at nokia, but that can generate wait times in responses so I was hoping someone here knew. Thanks for your help | 23:02 |
| playya | i'm a nokian too | 23:02 |
| disq | could try the channel logs (see topic) | 23:02 |
| playya | but not at work | 23:02 |
| Lateralus | disq: I assume work hours means "daytime in finland" | 23:02 |
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| playya | i dont know if they come too the irc | 23:03 |
| disq | yeah. gmt+# | 23:03 |
| disq | 3 | 23:03 |
| Lateralus | None of the employees I know come to irc | 23:03 |
| Tak|work | anyone using hildon-libs with libglade? | 23:03 |
| playya | we cannot use it :( | 23:03 |
| Lateralus | playya: really? That's unfortunate. | 23:04 |
| * Lateralus is at work now | 23:04 | |
| playya | maybe send the admin some presents | 23:04 |
| playya | ssh tunnel to your home pc? | 23:05 |
| playya | or working @ linspire? | 23:05 |
| Lateralus | I don't work at linspire, I'm in the same building as linspire and we all use the same outbound pipe, sitting on their firewall etc (hence my hostmask) | 23:06 |
| playya | ok | 23:07 |
| czr | yeah. be believe you. totally :-) | 23:07 |
| czr | we even. | 23:07 |
| Lateralus | :) | 23:07 |
| Lateralus | My CEO owns linspire, this building belongs to him, a lot of his businesses are in it | 23:07 |
| Lateralus | we share a bit of resources. | 23:08 |
| czr | you've done this before, haven't you? reading from a flowchart of "plausible explanations of hostmask"? | 23:08 |
| czr | ok ok! I believe you.. fine! | 23:08 |
| * Lateralus looks for his "getting out of pinch over explanation of hostmask" chart | 23:09 | |
| playya | is this a fortune addon? | 23:09 |
| czr | if you have an extra "how to get out of impossible projects before deadlines"-chart, I could use a spare. | 23:09 |
| czr | there must be a bug in mine. | 23:09 |
| disq | totally off topic but any recommendations to load-balance a small webfarm? don't want to buy a big-ip appliance. mod_backhand? | 23:14 |
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| pupnik | whatever solution earns you the most money | 23:16 |
| * czr smells cisco | 23:16 | |
| pupnik | 'wizard needs food, badly' | 23:17 |
| disq | i could go the lame www[1-numberofwebservers].domain.com way and put a redirector in www, but don't really want to do that | 23:17 |
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| konttori | ukmp (latest) + uktube with stage6 support in https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2289/UKMP-1.70Alpha6C.deb | 23:18 |
| konttori | for anyone interested. | 23:19 |
| konttori | would be especially cool if ssvb could test the stage6 videos. It seems like they might benefit from performance tuneups. | 23:19 |
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| pupnik | if anyone has a broken psion netbook they want to sell, msg me | 23:30 |
| konttori | sweet jesus. I just said the app is available and now there are 33 downloads? Cool stuff. Thanks for the interest! | 23:33 |
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| pupnik | nice :) what's stage6? | 23:34 |
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| konttori | http://stage6.divx.com/ | 23:36 |
| konttori | haven't you heard about it? | 23:37 |
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| |R | how big a resolution quand the n800 handle? | 23:37 |
| konttori | 800x480? | 23:37 |
| |R | quand/can sorry haha | 23:37 |
| |R | (french comming back to hit me ;) but i meant, for video playback at full speed? :) | 23:38 |
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| pupnik | something like 640x350 | 23:38 |
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| konttori | yeah. that's about it | 23:39 |
| pupnik | depending on codec - see the videoconverter page | 23:39 |
| konttori | 800x480 mpeg4 at around 12 fps | 23:39 |
| |R | ok :) | 23:39 |
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| |R | i'm still waiting for SD cards to arrive to play with medias ;) | 23:40 |
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| pupnik | i spend way too much time worrying about whether the n900 will have adequate controls for gaming | 23:40 |
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| Syntra | Hey umm... | 23:40 |
| pupnik | i should just go to sleep til january or something | 23:41 |
| Syntra | Can anyone guide me through getting OpenTTD working on my N800? | 23:41 |
| |R | pupnik : talking about games, any suggestion for a working nes emulator? :) | 23:41 |
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| |R | fceu is buggy when you press a/b it zooms ;) | 23:41 |
| pupnik | yes, there's one that runs fullspeed on a 66mhz arm | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, 400x240 @ 1200Kbps MPEG4 is about the best quality/performance | 23:41 |
| Tak|work | |R: I'm going to release a fix for that | 23:41 |
| pupnik | 0 frameskip, sound, perfect compatibility | 23:41 |
| |R | Tak|work : that would rock :) | 23:42 |
| pupnik | just to show what an optimized ARM asm emu can do :) | 23:42 |
| |R | :) | 23:42 |
| suihkulokki | has anyone tried the flash9-based C64 emulator? :P | 23:42 |
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| |R | GeneralAntilles : ok, so basically like the demo video... | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure, haven't seen it since January. ;) | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it looks very good | 23:43 |
| czr | pupnik, n900? | 23:43 |
| |R | hehe 400x240@25fps :) | 23:43 |
| |R | pretty smooth :) | 23:43 |
| |R | uhm video converter runs on windows only? | 23:44 |
| * |R only uses deb based systems ;) | 23:44 | |
| |R | i guess i'll recycle my D2 convertion scripts :) | 23:44 |
| konttori | pupnik: but even n800 is pretty ok when you keep the dpad middle down all the time | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use ffmpeg, |R. | 23:46 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : k :) | 23:46 |
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| konttori | you can use mediaconverter on windowns, linux and osx. | 23:46 |
| ||cw | mencoder FTW! | 23:46 |
| konttori | in case you guys want to convert something | 23:46 |
| |R | konttori : yep just found that thanks! :) | 23:46 |
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| konttori | no probs | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | MediaConverter doesn't letterbox | 23:47 |
| * Tak|work mencoder | 23:48 | |
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| pupnik | Tak|work i know you don't have time for it, but for your reference, the emu is called 'littlejohn' for gp32 | 23:49 |
| konttori | it should letterbox if you choose the optimize mode | 23:50 |
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| konttori | pupnik: do you have n800 already? | 23:50 |
| pupnik | no | 23:50 |
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| konttori | shame! You weren't in the developer program then? | 23:51 |
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| pupnik | i hope to qualify by january with a number of finished ports | 23:52 |
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| Tak|work | meh - I'm done messing with gp ports | 23:53 |
| Syntra | Can someone help me get OpenTTD running on my N800? | 23:54 |
| pupnik | what is the problem | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | i heard the problem was that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... | 23:54 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget problem | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot problem | 23:54 |
| lardman | lol | 23:54 |
| lardman | no! | 23:54 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: problem is <reply> | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 23:54 |
| lardman | that was a good reply! | 23:55 |
| pupnik | grr | 23:55 |
| pupnik | fine, then reset it | 23:55 |
| lardman | :D | 23:55 |
| Tak|work | problem? | 23:56 |
| pupnik | Syntra, it saves everyone time and typing if you describe your situation and ask your real question :) | 23:57 |
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| Syntra | Uhh | 23:58 |
| Syntra | Basically everything | 23:58 |
| Syntra | I have no clue what I'm doing, to be honest | 23:58 |
| Syntra | I tried opening the .Deb file in Application manager | 23:58 |
| Syntra | That did not work | 23:58 |
| pupnik | ok, then select the 'log' in application manager to see the error message | 23:59 |
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| Syntra | K hold on | 23:59 |
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