IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-10-10

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TPCwin 3700:05
Atariissh'ing into the nokia is so sexy, why havnt i done this before!00:05
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roopeEi ne ymmärrä, että mitä niiden graffojen pitäisi tehdä.00:09
roopeoops. :)00:09
zeenixroope: niin! ei ne ymmärrä :)00:11
roopeNever mind. :)00:11
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supossHi guys. Just got my hands on a 770, and I was wondering if I should go with OS 2006 or the Hacker Edition 2007. What are the biggest improvements in HE compared to 2006, and what doesn't work00:24
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Atariisuposs check out
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Jaffasuposs: no idea, I'm afraid. There are a fair few threads about it on ITT00:32
pupniki say you should stay with 2006 until you are quite familiar with the 77000:32
Atariiooo controversial00:33
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supossI should say that I'm just planning to use it for sooling around, no mission critical stuff :)00:34
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Atariii personally had 2006 for bout 2 days before upgrading to 200700:35
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supossAtarii: And stuff generally works?00:35
Atariiyea no major problems so far00:36
Atariii find it more responsive also00:36
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Atariimaybe u should put 2006 on first, just so you can see the difference with 200700:36
flip^there's a page on somewhere (i think) that says what the 'issues' are... aside from those issues, i think 2007 is meant to be ok on a 77000:36
flip^not that i have any way of actually knowing00:37
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LateralusIs there a way to poll the internet connectivity status using coniciap other than using the "statistics" signal and checking something like the signal strength? I was doing an rpc call of ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ on the service bus, but it looks like ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ has disappeared. Atleast, my compiler thinks it's undeclared, and I can't find anything about it being moved to another header file.00:38
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disqLateralus: use libconic. see maemo documentation at for details00:46
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Lateralusdisq: I'm attempting to use libconic, and I'm reading the documentation. I see no (good) method to determine if an iap is currently connected. Is using the statistics signal recommended, is there a better way? The con_ic_connection_statistics requires an iap id, I don't really care which, and would not want to poll them all, I just want to know if any are connected.00:53
disqLateralus: see maemoscrobbler sourcecode00:54
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Lateralusdisq: Checking it out now, thanks for your help00:55
disqscrobblerd.c :)00:55
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Lateralusdisq: Perhaps I am missing something, I only see you registering a connection-event handler and then attempting to open a connection. I want to check for the availability of a connection and set the initial state of my daemon based on that. Nokia frowns on applications requesting connections when they start.01:07
disqyou are. it is silent01:08
LateralusYes, I just looked up the enum value01:08
LateralusI'll read before asking next time :)01:08
disqremember to add libconic0 to the dependency list. nokia 770 doesn't have it installed by default (though it's available)01:08
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Jitenis it supposed to be possible to get this SD-card out of this external slot on n800? the quick start sheet tells me that I should just pull it out, the problem is, there is nothing I can get a hold of.02:10
disqfingernails do work.02:11
_pcfe_Jiten: the slot has no eject mechanice02:11
_pcfe_Jiten: the card _should_ have an indent on one side where you can latch a fingernail in02:12
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_pcfe_Jiten: otherwise use pliers (fine pliers, not rought big stuff, preferably borrow something from the beauty case of wife/girlfriend/sister/mother02:13
pupnikstop biting fingernails02:13
Jitennope, can't find an indentation to fit my fingernail in02:14
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JitenI guess I'm not getting this card out. At least not today.02:22
suposswhat's the easiest/best way to get a root account on 2007HE?02:23
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Jitenok, after investigating another card from the same manufacturer, there is an indent, but it's way too shallow to be of any use.02:25
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_Monkeyi heard gainroot was a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
Jitenok, manager to slip the microSD out of this adapter with pliers :P02:29
Jitenmanaged even02:29
Jitenok, got it out finally. I'm going to be rather careful about putting cards in this slow from now on :P02:31
pupniknokia to release another n-gage ...02:34
Jitenok, this 128MB one that was in the package comes out quite easily.02:37
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gla55pupnik: link? if you're referring to a specific device rather than to the platform02:39
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pupniksorry lost it - from an ngage site02:42
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Tb0n3I rm /bin -rf and thought I fucked it up beyond repair cause the flash wasn't working02:42
Tb0n3but then I finally tried the power cord02:42
pupnikgla55: i am looking to replace some pentium-based timer using rdtsc with something else... have you seen anyone do that before? :)02:42
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gla55pupnik: sorry i'm quite useless unless the question is about j2me or symbian c++02:43
pupnikheh.. ok here's some arm code to emulate rdtsc function  (as a diff)
pupnikooo i know where i can look02:44
gla55there's a bunch of devices that are "ngage" now, n95, n81 etc,   well actually they put the ngage brand on some earlier phones boxes too but they havent managed to get the online platform out untill maybe in recent future02:44
pupnikyeah it's too bad.  ibut they have a lot invested in symbian so it's understandable02:45
gla55it's too bad they havent had the brains to put proper pads02:45
gla55hw wise they're quite powerful for games02:45
gla55quake on n95 is cool, though you need a bt keyboard for proper controls..02:46
pupnikhave you tried the latest build of maemo quake?  he fixed the control issues02:46
pupnikit's actually fun to play now02:47
gla55oh yeah, someone wrote a bt driver for wiimote for symbian02:47
pupnikit's so fun when you say "i want the ui to be like *this*" and two days later the developer implements it exactly like you dreamed02:47
gla55is there something like that for maemo?02:47
pupniki think so actually02:47
gla55would be nice for emus as widely available bt gamepad02:48
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Tb0n3oh god, kanye west mutilated Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger02:51
Tb0n3that asshole02:51
Robot101yeah it sucks02:52
Tb0n3<3 daft punk02:52
Tb0n3I forgot why I hated ubuntu02:53
Tb0n3I remember now02:53
Tb0n3shit sucks02:55
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Tb0n3getting k3b to burn a debian disk02:58
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JitenTb0n3: why do you hate ubuntu then?03:01
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pupnikdidn't know the sega master system was so much better than the NES03:07
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pupnikdarn emus need a high resolution timer03:18
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pupnik#define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val))03:26
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Tb0n3oh shit, just watched a samurai cut an arrow in half, midflight when aimed at his heart03:37
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* pupnik ponders using gettimeofday(&tv, 0);03:42
madewokherd`can anyone recommend a client for the n770? (or am I in the wrong place for this?)03:42
madewokherd`er, irc client03:42
pupnikxchat, gaim, irssi03:42
madewokherd`I'm told xchat doesn't work03:42
pupnikworked for me... but i use bluetooth keyboard03:42
gla55i had hard time at some point finding a deb for it for then current it.. but that was ages ago03:43
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pupnikhmm looks like gettimeofday might be close enough for jazz03:53
Tb0n3I don't know how to use vi03:59
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[31d1]_Monkey: vi?04:02
_Monkeyvi is scarry to me04:02
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Tb0n3god damn04:38
Tb0n3firefox is being faggoty04:39
Tb0n3also ubuntu04:39
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|Rdoes anyone know if the blueZ audio support added in chinook (4.0) means that we can have bluetooth headsets?04:42
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pupnikseems some people were working on that04:48
zerojayApparently, a freshly compiled version of Bluez would give you that *right now*.04:50
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|Rargh wtf, rebooted and now wifi is dead05:42
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|R(after kismet crashed and i rebooted)05:43
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|Rah fiew, removing the battery worked05:50
|Rwifi is back ;)05:50
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|R <- is the guy saying that bluetooth headsets work?06:29
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|Rczr : mornin' :)09:08
|Rbut good night for me ;)09:08
* |R , after 2 days, has everything he wanted basically working and will have tomorrow to see how he can get programs installed on SD cards...09:09
czrnight |R09:12
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JaffaMorning, all10:39
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AD-N770good morning11:46
felipecmorning AD-N77011:49
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AD-N770buenos dias felipec11:59
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velcowhere does one get libcairo2-dev for maemo ?12:39
velcoor just compile mainstream cairo ?12:39
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pupnik_hi velco, isn't cairo kind of heavy?13:01
pupnik_hmm i see it13:01
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
pupnik_velco: search there13:01
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velcodidn't know about the index :)13:05
velcooh, and I didn't setup the extras in this target, only on the other :(13:07
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SLiHi. Wondering if something's wrong with my SDK setup or with libcurl, as I get...13:49
SLi> pkg-config --libs libcurl13:49
SLi-Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl13:49
SLiBut at least for me, -rpath seems to take only one argument and needs to be repeated, like -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ ...13:50
jumpulaSLi: sb-conf sh13:50
SLiCompiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-i38613:51
SLiDevkits: perl debian-sarge maemo3-tools doctools maemo3-debian13:51
SLiCPU-transparency: none13:51
jumpuladpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo313:51
jumpula(outside sbox)13:51
SLiI installed scratchbox from the .tar.gz's...13:52
jumpulaless /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog13:52
jumpulathe information i need is the version number of maemo3 devkit13:53
SLiThe latest entry is13:53
SLiThu Jun  7 01:16:44 EEST 2007  Jussi Hakala <> tagged sb-maemo3-devkit_1.013:53
SLiSo I assume 1.0 :)13:53
jumpulajust as i thought13:54
jumpulabut you can fix the problem manually13:54
jumpulaat least the one you're having now :)13:54
jumpulacd /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/lib13:54
jumpulals *.la13:54
SLiI see. I guess there's no clean way to update sb-maemo3-devkit without using the .debs?13:55
jumpulamove those files somewhere else (as root) and try again the pkg-confing from inside the scratchbox13:55
jumpulathe easiest way is to install stuff from debs, so you can update them more easily13:55
SLiI just didn't like the .debs installing it to /scratchbox, but I guess I could tolerate it now that I understand better what kind of system scratchbox is.13:56
jumpulaor, you can just delete the old devkit and extract the new version to replace it13:56
jumpulain the devkit tarball, there are only maemo3 prefixed directories under /scratchbox/devkits13:56
SLiHmm, I guess I'll try that.13:56
SLiOk, that's nice. Thanks.13:57
jumpulabut for example for toolchains, you need to update stuff from device_tools as well as the compilers dir13:57
SLiHmm hm. I guess I'll just reinstall from .debs.13:58
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jumpulatar t -f devkit-tarball.tar.gz14:00
jumpulathat way you see what needs to be updated14:01
dpb_t -f?14:01
dpb_just use "tar tf" like normal people.. :p14:01
SLiI still guess it's easiest considering future updates to reinstall from the debs. :)14:01
jumpulai'm not normal :)14:01
dpb_I know :)14:02
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jumpulaSLi: depends if you want to avoid work now just to face it again in the future :)14:02
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SLiIt isn't possible to develop for current N800 (with OS 2007) with Chinook beta, right?14:05
lardmananyone happen to remember what version of gcc will chinook use?14:06
alteregoSLi, sure you can.14:08
alteregoYou can install chinook on the device.14:09
alteregoDon't know how though, as far as I know it's a bit tricky.14:09
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SLialterego, ok. But anyway so I've understood correctly it's something that will eventually become OS 2008 or something.14:10
alteregoYes, development in chinook is for the next IT OS release.14:11
alteregoWhether that's 2008 I don't know.14:12
alteregoI'd imagine so.14:12
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lac_I have a question about tap_and_hold. I have an applet, with CSM menu added by gtk_tap_and_hold_setup, for the whole frame. I want to block the menu on particural regions of the frame (especially scrollbars). How can I do that?14:13
alteregoHmmm .. Starting to get hungry now.14:15
alteregoWonder what I should have for Brunch14:15
solmumahaalterego: first the release14:16
alteregoI'm having some issues at the moment.14:16
alteregoI think treeview is broken. :/14:16
alteregoFor some reason it's not showing the little arrows.14:19
alteregoEver :(14:19
solmumahathat's all?14:21
alteregoI personally think it's a big deal :P14:22
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alteregoMaybe I'm just stalling to annoy you :P14:23
solmumahanot that easy14:24
solmumahamissing xmms2 bindings, now that's annoying ;)14:26
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SLiBTW in case someone's interested, I have a (at least so far) working scratchbox+nokia sdk environment on amd64, I just had to hack the installer script to not test for ia32 (that broke it even in an ia32 chroot). I installed the environment in an ia32 chroot, but cd'ing to it and running ./login works just fine even outside the ia32 chroot.14:36
SLiI guess it _might_ work even without an ia32 chroot when installed from the tarballs or with dpkg --force-architecture.14:39
alteregoThat's very promising SLi14:44
alteregoGood  to know :)14:44
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JaffaSLi: I don't have a ia32 chroot, but sounds cool15:02
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alteregoYou shouldn't need a chroot.15:11
alteregoscratchbox itself is a chroot.15:11
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cosmois there somewhere documentation what is missing from flash image built with SDK versus released flash images?15:22
alteregoGenereally, the documentation that is missing is an indication of what's missing in the SDK as opposed to the official IT OS releases ;)15:23
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Blacksitobuenos dias16:06
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cosmohmm... could someone test what does this outputs in scratchbox? /usr/bin/curl-config --libs16:14
Dawnmist-L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz16:15
cosmoon 3.2?16:16
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cosmodid you install with nokia shell scripts or manually?16:17
Dawnmistnokia shell scripts16:17
cosmoweird. so did i.16:17
Dawnmistbut haven't updated in the last week either.16:17
cosmoand mine outputs -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lidn -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz16:17
segthat what I get too16:18
cosmo..and these options don't work when compiling anything16:18
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Dawnmistyou logged in? seems strange to get the /scratchbox directories (not that I know much about scratchbox/maemo)16:18
cosmocheck out that /usr/bin/curl-config script.. it should output the shorter options16:19
cosmoyep, that's inside scratchbox16:19
pupnikgreetings Dawnmist16:19
cosmoreally weird problem, i have no clue what might cause this16:20
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segwhich curl-config returns  /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config16:24
segbut still strange16:24
cosmoyep. and compilation of app that uses autotools fails because curl build test fails on configure16:26
segthe configure script calls /usr/bin/curl-config or just curl-config ?16:27
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pupniki had to beat curl into rubble a while back and just use a part of it16:29
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cosmoconfig.log says ac_cv_path__libcurl_config=/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config16:31
segthat one is hard-coded to return the long list - but why /usr/bin/curl-config also does that is weird16:34
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jumpulaseg: old version of maemo3 devkit16:36
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segjumpula: ok - can I update my scratchbox with the new devkit , or is it better to install from scratch?16:37
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jumpulaseg: installed from the tarballs or debs?16:40
jumpulaupgrading won't actually help16:40
jumpulathe host-side curl-config is invoked when maemo3-tools is selected16:41
cosmoi installed from tarballs16:41
jumpulameaning that configure scripts detect the host stuff16:41
jumpulawhich is bad16:41
segI installed from debs16:41
cosmois there a way to check devkit's version?16:41
jumpulayou can circumvent this with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config --libs16:41
jumpuladpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo316:42
jumpulaor less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/ChangeLog16:42
jumpula3 hours ago we were talking about this :)16:43
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jumpulaSLi: ping16:43
jumpulaSLi: see my line about the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE16:43
jumpulaanyway, maemo3 devkit 1.0 has some conflicting la files that may crash builds16:44
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jumpulathis has been fixed in 1.0.116:44
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jumpulaalthough the problem you're all having is with redirection16:44
flip^hmm, i need a home applet that shows my IP address16:48
cosmoNo packages found matching scratchbox-devkit-maemo3.16:48
cosmoah, outside sb16:49
jumpulano scratchboxes inside scratchbox :)16:49
cosmoi've got latest (1.0.1)16:50
SLijumpula, ok, thanks. I already reinstalled from up-to-date debs, though. :)16:50
jumpulano harm in that, the problem with 1.0 is quite serious :)16:51
seggot to go - happy hunting - will check the logs later16:52
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cosmohm, any ideas how to work around this problem? even aliasing the devkit curl-config doesn't seem to satisfy configure17:01
cosmoalias /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config'17:02
cosmoalias curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config'17:02
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* lardman is waiting impatiently for the FCC documents become available... (next month)17:02
jumpula./configure SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config CURL-CONFIG=/usr/bin/curl-config17:03
* lardman has also forgotten to use prepositions17:03
EsworpNewb question; in the mail app, is there a way to mark multiple messsages 'as read' at once?17:03
jumpulanot sure about the CURL-CONFIG= part, see if ./configure --help can verify that17:03
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cosmo  --with-libcurl=DIR      look for the curl library in DIR17:05
cosmobut no mention of CURL-CONFIG17:05
jumpulausually, for example, perl path can be specified with PERL=/path/to/perl for configure, even though ./configure --help doesn't say so17:07
jumpula--with-curl-config=/usr/bin/curl-config perhaps?17:09
jumpulaor just /usr17:09
jumpuladepending if it tries to give the bin part itself or requiring a path directly to binary17:09
jumpulaif all else fails, turn maemo3-tools temporarily off for the target or remove it from the PATH17:11
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jumpulawhen the redirection rule is in place and the PATH contains only target's version of curl-config, you should be fine17:12
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cosmohm, i think i got it working17:16
SLiShould osso_iap_connect() make the callback sometime in SDK too?17:17
cosmoi hope they fix this issue soon.. it's always a bit annoying to add workarounds in your scripts17:17
pupniklardman: what info will be released then?17:17
pupnikchipset? photos?17:17
pupnikor just radio/wifi/bt17:17
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pupnikGeek Humour (sfw)
SLiHmm, apparently no internet connectivity daemon in SDK, so the app will never be told that there is a connection?17:21
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cosmois maemo version number available in some file?17:36
jumpulamaemo3 devkit? /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog17:38
jumpulaor do you mean like bora, or ... ?17:39
cosmobora or 3.2 or something like that17:39
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michaelhello all18:14
florianhi michael18:14
michaeli have a question about creating an image for the n80018:15
michaelI would like to install all of my programs and then create an image in case i mess it up in the future...that way all I need to do is just flash my image rather than reinstall all of my apps18:16
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EsworpDoes rhw18:16
EsworpDoes the backup app work so that you could copy the resulting files created?18:17
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pparkerhi everyone18:20
pparkerdo you know how to talk with gnuite or anyone from maemo mapper ?18:21
michaelany suggestions on creating an image file?18:21
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zoranmichael, does it satisfy if you just copy it to newly made /bin directory?18:23
pupnikIs there a memory register that functions as a cycle-accurate timer on OMAP1710/2420?  Something where i can do one asm read/copy and get a cycle-accurate value without invoking a syscall?18:23
michaeli am not sure if that would work18:23
zoranwhy not18:24
michaelyou know when u mess up u'r 800 u use the flasher tool to reeflash18:24
pupnikmichael: if you set up multiboot on your mmc, you can backup/restore images with dd18:24
michaelthats what i want to do but flash from an image i created18:24
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michaeli dont want to boot from mmc18:24
lardmanpupnik: why?18:24
lardmanpupnik: what do you want to time to that sort of accuracy?18:25
pupniki've got an emulator that uses a cycle-accurate pentium asm instruction for a timer18:25
pupnik#define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val))18:25
pupnik    rdtsc(T0);18:26
pupnik /* Execute rdtsc pentium instruction store result into T0. */18:26
pupnikGp2x has something similar18:26
pupniki found some ARM docs that mention such counters for development boards etc18:27
zoranpupnik, unrelated to your rdtsc question; I learnt that on bsd nvi is the same app that user could fire up as vi18:28
pupnikwill have to do my own reas... hmm18:28
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zoranso, no classic vi on bsd box18:28
pupnikyeah i saw that thread lardman18:29
lardmanpupnik: no idea then, sorry18:30
pupnik  this might be good enough (gettimeofday())18:31
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lardmandepends how often you need to query i suppose18:32
lardmanthere will presumably be more overhead in setting up and tearing down the timer than with the tickcounter18:33
pupnikhere's the code referenced by that rtai thread btw..18:33
lardmanthere was also some for the SA18:35
pupnik  ahh some interesting references there18:37
pupnikkwd clock_get18:41
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lardmanis there a way of #defining a macro that can handle a variable list of input parameters?18:42
lardmanfor example if I wanted to #define printf() into fprintf() for example18:43
lardmanor would I need to declare a wrapper function and use that nasty variable argument parsing business?18:43
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rhyswherre can i get the new firmware?18:49
rhysits downloading at 1.3kb/s18:49
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rhysis there a mirror anywhere?18:51
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rhysanyone? :(18:53
zoranrhys, it is about 60 Mb18:54
lardmanno, not that I know of18:54
pupniksfw - cheezy video of classic console gaming
pupnikre;evamt to ?? Tak|work ?18:56
rhyszoran, its 83mb18:56
zoranfolks, where lays socat 1.5 for 2006? it has a page in downloads18:56
rhysnokias server is crazy slow18:56
zoranrhys, even worse18:56
Tak|worknot relevant to anything per se; just a script I just wrote to dump a .glade file to a const string in a .h file so that it gets embedded in the executable rather than having to keep track of ${DATADIR}/blah.glade18:57
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X-Faderhys: I'm getting 1.86MB/s here..18:57
rhysX-Fade, wtf. im on internet2, and can pull 5MB/s off internet 118:59
rhysright now im getting 7.6kb/s18:59
zorannice ole dial up modem?19:00
mgedminnah, never saw more than ~5kb/s on a modem19:01
X-Faderhys: My guess is international mirrors.19:01
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rhyszoran, i just mentioned im on I2. im at college. theres no way its my connections fault19:01
rhysX-Fade, can you direct connect send it to me? :(19:02
rhysits so sad. yesterday it was actually faster to download the new ubuntu iso from oregon (I2) than transfer it from my usb drive.19:02
rhysand now i get 7.6kb/s :(19:03
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lardmanIf I want to define a macro like so:
lardmanis it possible to more the newline inside the A argument by some trickery?19:07
rhysX-Fade, can you at least send me the direct link your downloading from?19:07
pupnikdunno lardman :(19:08
lardmanpupnik: doesn't matter, that should work (I think), just wanted to make it neater :)19:08
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zoranI'd like to know, if I see "missling install file" on download server, does it mean that the particular file does not exist entirely?19:19
Tak|worklardman: printf(A"\n", args);19:20
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|Rbeside constructing a dual boot system and messing the whole boot structure... would anyone have a simpler suggestion on how to add big packages that would fill the n800's internal ram rapidly? (gjiden for example will need a lot of space for dictionary and fonts)19:23
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|Rshould i just extract them to SD cards with a cloned system and chroot there?19:23
Tak|worksymlink /var/cache/apt to /media/mmcsomething?19:24
|Rthat would be an idea for the packages, but what about the installed files?19:24
|Rthey have to be at the right place in the system to work :/19:24
zoranno diff19:24
|Ri can't isntall fonts in tmp and then libs in bin and expect this to work :)19:25
zoranln -s /media/mmc2/bin/file /bin/file19:25
|Ruhm ok.. yeah19:25
|Ri'll do a massive linking, why not :)19:25
|Ri hope the busybox sed/bash is good enougth for some scripting :P19:25
Tak|workah @ installed files19:25
zoranbe aware not to do link for whole /bin19:25
|Rno of course :)19:26
|Rbut i thougth the cards were no-exec mounted?19:26
Tak|workbludgeon the packager for not giving an option to install data to mmc?19:26
|Ri can change it i guess19:26
|R(fstab and such)19:26
zoranyou could always make it ext219:26
|Ri was just wondering if there was any counter indications, i'm used to linux but not with ones that are not on PCs ;)19:26
zoranlike du and df19:27
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zoranTak|work, do you think the box will boot if link goes like "ln -s /media/mmc2/bin /bin" ?19:29
zoranit could not find some essential binaries19:30
pupnikhow can a package installer (preinst, postinst) be made to query user where data goes?19:31
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Tak|workzoran: I wouldn't risk it ;-)(19:31
zoranme neither19:32
|Rhehe same here ;)19:32
Tak|workpupnik: several packages do similar things, like asking if the menu item should go in extras or games19:33
pupnikyou're right... i can't remember which do it tho19:33
zorandoes someone use ssl on 2006 to connect to server? I have to handle socat for pop port 99519:33
zoranit has no verify option, if I'm not wrong19:34
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lardmanTak|work: thanks, I forgot that strings get concatenated like that19:37
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rhysanyone have the newest firmware?20:09
* alterego does20:10
|Rsame here20:12
|Rwant me to u/l it somewhere?20:13
rhysi can only get it at 7kb/s from nokias sist20:13
|Rwhere could that be? :)20:13
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rhysdirect connect could work...20:14
rhysi could make you a login to my server if you want20:14
|Rsure, anything will do, ftp, scp, whatever :)20:14
Dregz|AloofYeah, I was gettingeda poor connection yesterday.20:14
|Ri can u/l at 80k/sec20:14
rhysi can download at 5MB/s20:15
|Rhehe ;)20:15
|Ri wish i could20:15
rhysare you on i2?20:15
|Rat home or work / univ ?20:15
rhys|R, direct connect would be easier20:15
|Rno, just on a local cable provider at home )20:15
rhys|R, can you dc?20:16
|Rwhat do you call direct connect?20:16
rhysactually, i can host it on my http mirror here, if someone wants to place it in the topic for the channel20:16
rhys|R, whats built into most IRC clients. what xchat has20:17
|Roh ok! hehe20:17
|Ri guess yes, though haven't used this in bitchx for a long time ;)20:17
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|Rare you getting something?20:17
rhysaye. wtf.20:18
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rhysim getting 3k a sec20:19
rhysone second. this is odd20:19
|Ryep, i can see that20:19
|Rand my connection is completely iddle here20:19
|R(no p2p or anything :P)20:19
|Rwould there be a problem between you and internet 1 ? :|20:19
rhysthere throttling here somehow.20:19
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rhysthis is mad. i just talked to my boss (i work in IT) and apparently the throttling for the wifi changes by time20:24
rhysduring work hours its massive20:25
|Rargh :|20:26
rhyswould people still like a server to host that here? like to post in the topic?20:26
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rhys_so after being disconnected here20:40
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* czr peeks20:52
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pupnik "Contrary to what steve jobs has to say: the 'real' internet is not 480 pixels wide, flash-free, and subdivided into neat little div containers for apple's convenience."  haha ZAP21:09
pupnik"Also these communicators (n800/770) need a GSM radio like a hole in the head. Why would you want to pay for a second data plan when you could just tether to your current phone and share it's data plan, then upgrade your phone if you want faster service (or a different provider)." = Peter Tripp +++21:10
disqwho's quote is that21:10
pupnikprevious was 'roc ingersot'21:10
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pupniki like the n800 custom clamp mount for train use:
GeneralAntillesHaha, totally agreed on the GSM radio21:19
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suihkulokkicompared to maemo, what do people most miss from "real debian"21:26
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Lateralusdisq: Our applications are similar, did you never have any problems where osso_initialize returned NULL?21:35
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alteregoLateralus, most common problems are invalid dbus .session or .desktop files.21:36
Lateralusalterego: It's a daemon, there is no .desktop file21:37
alteregoThen check the session file.21:37
Lateralusalterego: the "session" file? Do you mean service file?21:38
alteregoYes, that's what I mean :)21:38
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disqLateralus: not sure if i did21:39
LateralusMy service file looks ok, the only difference is that right now the daemon is thrown in /usr/local/bin, rather than /usr/bin/21:40
_MonkeyHmm.  No matches for that, Lateralus.21:40
czrhey alterego21:42
alteregoHello czy, meet your deadline okay?21:43
alteregoczr ;)21:43
czralterego, "kind of" :-)21:43
czrstill continuing.21:43
czrhad really funny feedback on one of the materials. the reviewer got scared about the length of the scrollbars in the browser ;-)21:44
czrthe solution for that problem (obviously) was to shift the browser slightly to the right, so that the scrollbar wouldn't be visible anymore :-)21:44
czrother than that, still a lot of stuff to do for the other material, so I think I'll be busy for quite some time still.21:46
czrbut at least the glib-dbus stuff seems to be ok, which is a relief to me.21:46
disqi need some volunteers to test the latest kagu from svn. trevarthan's been busy, so i am the sole coder+tester right now21:47
disqespecially the a2dp enable/disable code, i modified it but had no way to test21:48
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playyai would test it but i only have a n800 @ work and there we re not allowed to connect to svn22:10
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alteregosucks to be you :P22:13
Atariikonttori u there?22:14
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konttorihmm... I think I've just been able to find out how to support stage6 videos on uktube22:16
konttoriHmm... maybe22:16
konttoridefinately maybe22:16
konttoriI have to try it later on.22:16
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Lateralus This is the code that dies at osso_initialize (gets NULL)22:30
LateralusThe service file data is at the bottom of the post22:30
disqweird. examined but no idea22:36
disqtry calling g_main_loop_new() after osso_init?22:37
Lateralusthe only thing different than other things I've seen is the location of the binary, which shouldn't matter, afaik22:37
Lateralusdisq: k22:37
pupniklateralus, you're not a 20 year old girl living in wisconsin are you?22:38
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Lateraluspupnik: I'm half afraid to answer, but, no.22:38
pupnikwell then be aware of low uniqueness quotient on your chosen nickname22:38
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LateralusI had changed in the past, but Lateralus was muscle memory after a certain point22:39
playyaLateralus, do you run this as user or root?22:40
Lateralusplayya: root22:40
disqi have a muscle-memorized password i rarely use (only for a certain ssh key). i thought i forgot it once. tried closing my eyes and typing away, and it worked22:41
playyathis might be the problem22:41
Lateralusplayya: user would not have been able to lock the tmp file, etc22:41
Lateralusplayya: Oh?22:41
disqyeah root could be the prob22:41
playyai ran my app as root too and osso was null too22:41
Lateralusdisq: We have an insane password here at work for our only "hub" server, which has routes to a lot of the boxes in our DC, I can only get it right by typing it without thinking22:42
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czris it "insanepassword"?22:44
* czr should develop a pam module that accepts passwords when input in binary only22:44
czralthough you'd first have to MIME-encode it before going into binary, then use 6 bits per character22:45
czrultimate security22:45
Lateralusdisq: If you aren't running scrobblerd as root, how are you writing the .lock file?22:46
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playyause semaphores or sth22:47
disqthe lock file fails and i trust the dbus :(22:48
disqLateralus: songlistend will only fork() (and .lock) if it's not called with --dbus (ie. ran from the cmdlne)22:50
disqthe service file has a --dbus param after the binary22:50
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disqsame for scrobblerd22:50
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lardmanam I right in thinking that if I fork a process I shouldn't write to stdout with the child?22:51
lardmanor at least not with one of them22:52
disqyou could. it will work for a while until the tty is closed. but you shouldn't22:52
lardmanoh, are writes atomic?22:52
Tak|workwon't it confuse the stdout buffering?22:52
lardmanwhat would happen if both child & parent write at the same time?22:52
playyai dont think so22:52
playyatoday i started over 200 parallel downloads22:53
playyathat was a problem22:53
disqit will confuse the connected user, messages appearing from nowhere22:53
lardmanthe connected user will be me22:53
lardmanI need to see the 'dsp' side and 'arm' side messages22:53
lardmanbut running both sides on the same processor so I can actually debug the **** thing ;)22:54
lardmanthe other option is to use some other IPC method to communicate messages between the processes. I'm open to suggestions22:54
Tak|worktry it and see what happens ;-)22:55
lardmantrue :)22:55
lardmanI was just hoping to avoid any dead ends22:55
_Monkeysyslog is, like, apt-get install sysklogd (or use like everyone else)22:55
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disqi did all my debugging in maemoscrobbler daemons with syslogd (install it first of course :P )22:56
disqshut up _Monkey22:56
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lardmandisq: I'd prefer to be able to pipe the data to file to analyse it later, my syslog output is quite full atm22:56
lardman_Monkey: ignore syslog22:56
_Monkeylardman: excuse me?22:56
lardman_Monkey: forget syslog22:56
_Monkeylardman: I forgot syslog22:56
disqah. hrm. fopen("/tmp/dumpfile", "w+") ? (was append w+?)22:57
lardmanagain, are writes atomic, so will the data from each process appear on its own line?22:57
playyalardman, no22:57
playyashort write?22:57
playyatry spinlock22:57
lardmannot ideal, but probably not a major issue as the code is event based - one side sends a message and the other processes while the first waits22:58
lardmanplayya: too compilcated, I want something quick and (not too) dirty22:58
Lateralusdisq: which is to say, when you run scrobblerd as root from cmdline your application doesn't work? And under normal operation, it isn't ran as a daemon?22:58
disqhmmm.. they're not atomic i think. try different dumpfiles with timestamps?22:58
lardmanah, that's another idea that I might try22:59
disqLateralus: normally it's invoked via dbus, and works in the background. i tried the daemon idea for a while but it didn't work out22:59
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lardmanRight, must go watch Heroes then back to try one/all of these ideas out; thanks chaps22:59
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Lateralusdisq: and to your knowledge, other than going below libosso with dbus directly, there is no easy way to get a daemon working?23:00
playyai looked up in a book23:00
playyaspinlocks cant sleep23:00
lardman|tvplayya: I should be able to get away without anything so complex as the code spends all its time waiting on the other process23:00
disqLateralus: you want osso but in a daemon. there should be a way but i'm not aware of it23:01
lardman|tvplayya: the idea being that the dsp is doing all the work & the arm is sat there waiting (& saving power/browsing the web/etc.)23:01
disqcould try asking in maemo-devel or here again just in work hours (so that nokians can answer)23:01
lardman|tvdisq: me?23:01
disqno, Lateralus23:02
disqyou watch peter petrelli :)23:02
lardman|tvI'm off to do that, bbl23:02
Lateralusdisq: I have contacts at nokia, but that can generate wait times in responses so I was hoping someone here knew. Thanks for your help23:02
playyai'm a nokian too23:02
disqcould try the channel logs (see topic)23:02
playyabut not at work23:02
Lateralusdisq: I assume work hours means "daytime in finland"23:02
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playyai dont know if they come too the irc23:03
disqyeah. gmt+#23:03
LateralusNone of the employees I know come to irc23:03
Tak|workanyone using hildon-libs with libglade?23:03
playyawe cannot use it :(23:03
Lateralusplayya: really? That's unfortunate.23:04
* Lateralus is at work now23:04
playyamaybe send the admin some presents23:04
playyassh tunnel to your home pc?23:05
playyaor working @ linspire?23:05
LateralusI don't work at linspire, I'm in the same building as linspire and we all use the same outbound pipe, sitting on their firewall etc (hence my hostmask)23:06
czryeah. be believe you. totally :-)23:07
czrwe even.23:07
LateralusMy CEO owns linspire, this building belongs to him, a lot of his businesses are in it23:07
Lateraluswe share a bit of resources.23:08
czryou've done this before, haven't you? reading from a flowchart of "plausible explanations of hostmask"?23:08
czrok ok! I believe you.. fine!23:08
* Lateralus looks for his "getting out of pinch over explanation of hostmask" chart23:09
playyais this a fortune addon?23:09
czrif you have an extra "how to get out of impossible projects before deadlines"-chart, I could use a spare.23:09
czrthere must be a bug in mine.23:09
disqtotally off topic but any recommendations to load-balance a small webfarm? don't want to buy a big-ip appliance. mod_backhand?23:14
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pupnikwhatever solution earns you the most money23:16
* czr smells cisco23:16
pupnik'wizard needs food, badly'23:17
disqi could go the lame www[1-numberofwebservers] way and put a redirector in www, but don't really want to do that23:17
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konttoriukmp (latest) + uktube with stage6 support in
konttorifor anyone interested.23:19
konttoriwould be especially cool if ssvb could test the stage6 videos. It seems like they might benefit from performance tuneups.23:19
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pupnikif anyone has a broken psion netbook they want to sell, msg me23:30
konttorisweet jesus. I just said the app is available and now there are 33 downloads? Cool stuff. Thanks for the interest!23:33
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pupniknice :)  what's stage6?23:34
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konttorihaven't you heard about it?23:37
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|Rhow big a resolution quand the n800 handle?23:37
|Rquand/can sorry haha23:37
|R(french comming back to hit me ;) but i meant, for video playback at full speed? :)23:38
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pupniksomething like 640x35023:38
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konttoriyeah. that's about it23:39
pupnikdepending on codec - see the videoconverter page23:39
konttori800x480 mpeg4 at around 12 fps23:39
|Rok :)23:39
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|Ri'm still waiting for SD cards to arrive to play with medias ;)23:40
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pupniki spend way too much time worrying about whether the n900 will have adequate controls for gaming23:40
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SyntraHey umm...23:40
pupniki should just go to sleep til january or something23:41
SyntraCan anyone guide me through getting OpenTTD working on my N800?23:41
|Rpupnik : talking about games, any suggestion for a working nes emulator? :)23:41
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|Rfceu is buggy when you press a/b it zooms ;)23:41
pupnikyes, there's one that runs fullspeed on a 66mhz arm23:41
GeneralAntilles|R, 400x240 @ 1200Kbps MPEG4 is about the best quality/performance23:41
Tak|work|R: I'm going to release a fix for that23:41
pupnik0 frameskip, sound, perfect compatibility23:41
|RTak|work : that would rock :)23:42
pupnikjust to show what an optimized ARM asm emu can do :)23:42
suihkulokkihas anyone tried the flash9-based C64 emulator? :P23:42
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|RGeneralAntilles : ok, so basically like the demo video...23:42
GeneralAntillesNot sure, haven't seen it since January. ;)23:43
GeneralAntillesbut it looks very good23:43
czrpupnik, n900?23:43
|Rhehe 400x240@25fps :)23:43
|Rpretty smooth :)23:43
|Ruhm video converter runs on windows only?23:44
* |R only uses deb based systems ;)23:44
|Ri guess i'll recycle my D2 convertion scripts :)23:44
konttoripupnik: but even n800 is pretty ok when you keep the dpad middle down all the time23:45
GeneralAntillesI just use ffmpeg, |R.23:46
|RGeneralAntilles : k :)23:46
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konttoriyou can use mediaconverter on windowns, linux and osx.23:46
||cwmencoder FTW!23:46
konttoriin case you guys want to convert something23:46
|Rkonttori : yep just found that thanks! :)23:46
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konttorino probs23:47
GeneralAntillesMediaConverter doesn't letterbox23:47
* Tak|work mencoder23:48
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pupnik Tak|work i know you don't have time for it, but for your reference, the emu is called 'littlejohn' for gp3223:49
konttoriit should letterbox if you choose the optimize mode23:50
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konttoripupnik: do you have n800 already?23:50
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konttorishame! You weren't in the developer program then?23:51
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pupniki hope to qualify by january with a number of finished ports23:52
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Tak|workmeh - I'm done messing with gp ports23:53
SyntraCan someone help me get OpenTTD running on my N800?23:54
pupnikwhat is the problem23:54
_Monkeyi heard the problem was that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey....23:54
pupnik_Monkey: forget problem23:54
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot problem23:54
pupnik_Monkey: problem is <reply>23:54
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.23:54
lardmanthat was a good reply!23:55
pupnikfine, then reset it23:55
pupnikSyntra, it saves everyone time and typing if you describe your situation and ask your real question :)23:57
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SyntraBasically everything23:58
SyntraI have no clue what I'm doing, to be honest23:58
SyntraI tried opening the .Deb file in Application manager23:58
SyntraThat did not work23:58
pupnikok, then select the 'log' in application manager to see the error message23:59
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SyntraK hold on23:59

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