IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-08-31

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NeoStriderhey fellows00:14
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NeoStriderhey folks00:14
_Monkeyniihau, celesteh_rules00:15
celesteh_rulesstupid monkey00:15
NeoStridermaybe you guys can help me into something:00:15
DaniloCesarHi Neo!00:16
NeoStriderwhen running my app from the icon, it dies after some seconds...but when running from xterminal or "run command" from system-load applet, it runs perfectly00:16
NeoStriderhey DaniloCesar00:16
NeoStrideryou guys know something about DBus and SDL apps not getting along with each other?00:17
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DaniloCesarNeoStrider, Can U redirect the error message to a file and see what is happening?00:17
NeoStrider I would modify the whole game engine to do that...00:18
celesteh_rulessounds like an environment issue00:20
celesteh_rulesi would suspect that there's a path set someplace in xterm or in the app runner that's not set when you click on the icon00:21
celesteh_rulesa library or something is probably failing to load00:21
DaniloCesarjust put on your .desktop file, exec=/locate/of/your/app 2> /tmp/err.log00:21
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NeoStriderthats my #1 suspect00:23
NeoStrider(anyway, my game uses only absolute paths)00:23
celesteh_rulesyou're doing dynamic linking, no?  then libraries don't necessarily have absolute paths00:25
_MonkeyAngstron is
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NeoStridercelesteh_rules:  but the game runs for some seconds...if Im good enough, I can even pass the first level00:27
celesteh_rulesum, weird00:29
DaniloCesarDo you use gstreammer?00:29
NeoStriderlooks like some stack or buffer difference00:29
NeoStriderme , not directly...but maybe SDL does00:29
celesteh_rulesit's a time thing?  Like, it doesn't matter what you do, it just quits after a short time?00:29
NeoStridernot really00:31
DaniloCesarI read something about a bug in gstreammer pipeline today.... Maybe is it...00:31
NeoStridersometimes is more time, sometimes ,less00:31
NeoStriderI will try measuring the time00:31
celesteh_rulesok, but it doesn't matter what you're doing?00:31
NeoStriderhumm...the game has a fixed flux00:31
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NeoStrideryou go through some screens and then into the 3D world00:32
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DaniloCesarNeoStrider, Did you get the error message using the "2>" approach?00:32
NeoStridersometimes it halts on the 3D part, sometimes on the loading screens00:32
celesteh_rulesso there's not a state in game-play that's horked. so it could be a race condition, perhaps00:32
celesteh_rulesthe error message will shed light, hopefully00:32
NeoStrider24 seconds on the first try...00:33
NeoStriderI havent installed the new version with the > yet...00:33
DaniloCesarjust change your .desktop file....00:33
NeoStrideri cant00:33
celesteh_rulesman, that's perplexing00:33
DaniloCesarsudo gainroot?00:34
NeoStridernow Im going to try the new package with the >00:34
DaniloCesarhummm... ok00:34
NeoStridersudo gainroot doesnt work00:35
DaniloCesarNeoStrider, hummm00:35
NeoStriderhalted even before I could play!00:35
NeoStriderthe device freez'd00:36
celesteh_rulesare you on the latest OS version?00:36
_Monkeyit has been said that gregale is something else entirely00:36
DaniloCesarbut now you got a message00:36
NeoStriderthe device killed the process00:36
NeoStriderbut no log!00:37
* DaniloCesar wtf 00:37
DaniloCesarit's very strange00:37
DaniloCesartry 1>> /mmc1/log.txt  2>> /mmc1/log.txt00:39
NeoStridermy system is misbehaving00:40
NeoStridergoing to reboot00:40
NeoStrider1>> /media/mmc1/log.txt 2>> /media/mmc1/log.txt?00:40
DaniloCesaryou need to get some message... linux not use to kill applications without a error message....00:41
DaniloCesaror maybe with strace command.....00:41 reading a book about the kernel ;-)00:41
DaniloCesarbut I don't know if maemo have this command00:42
NeoStriderlet me check if it works without the >00:42
DaniloCesarYes... Try to redirect 1>> (stdout) and 2>> (stderr)00:43
DaniloCesarto different files00:43
* celesteh_rules trying to think what's the different between the prompt and clicking the icon00:43
celesteh_rulesif it really works from the prompt, then, um, the most likely culprit is either environment or error catching, maybe?00:44
NeoStriderclicking the icon: maemo-af-desktop opens the .desktop file (.inactive on the package)00:44
DaniloCesarthe only thing that I can remember is the LD_PRELOAD00:44
NeoStriderthen, it finds out the .service file and gives it to dbus1, right?00:45
NeoStriderand dbus1 realises it needs to run the app00:45
celesteh_rulesit's a timing thing, so it's having trouble recovering from something like a race condition.  maybe the OS asks it for something and it doesn't know where to find it?00:45
NeoStriderwhat could it be?00:46
NeoStridermy app is very cpu hungry00:46
NeoStrideraround 70%00:46
NeoStrider(3D game ;-))00:46
DaniloCesarNeoStrider, Angstrong or another game?00:47
_Monkeyhmmm... angstron is
NeoStridershut ut, _Monkey00:47
_MonkeyNeoStrider: sorry...00:47
NeoStriderlove this monkey00:48
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NeoStriderstrange...if there is a opened xterminal, it dies too00:49
celesteh_rulesok, my guess is that it's clobbering shared memory00:50
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NeoStriderbut why it doesnt do sh*t when called from xterminal?00:50
celesteh_rulesum. no idea.00:51
NeoStriderok...trying again the > thing00:52
NeoStridermaybe the memory is cleaner than before00:52
celesteh_ruleswell, i could speculate in that manner, but it would just be speculation.  maybe it doesn't matter if you clobber xterm's memory or something00:52
celesteh_rulesbut it really sounds like a race condition, given that it stops at unpredictable times NOT based on what you're doing00:53
celesteh_rulessome shared resource00:53
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celesteh_rulescould also be related to audio or video, of those happen on the interrupt level.00:54
NeoStriderbut im only using plain SDL00:54
celesteh_ruleslast guess is that it adds overhead to launch from an icon which causes it to run out of memory faster OR makes it slower responding to interrupts00:54
celesteh_ruleswhat is SDL?00:55
NeoStrideragain, no log00:55
celesteh_rulesor, it could be gremlins00:55
DaniloCesarSimple Direct Layer00:55
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NeoStrider_Monkey:  SDL is Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org00:55
_MonkeyOK, NeoStrider.00:55
_MonkeySDL is Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org00:56
celesteh_rulesis there a maemo debugger?00:57
NeoStriderthe same thing DOOM uses00:57
NeoStrideronly raemo00:58
NeoStriderbut I dont have internet connectivity00:58
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DaniloCesaris raemo bood?00:59
NeoStridergot a idea00:59
_Monkeysomebody said scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together00:59
NeoStriderlet me test under SDK_PC00:59
celesteh_rulesheh, i just assumed you were in scratchbox . . .00:59
NeoStriderI was testing on the device01:00
NeoStrideri just use sbox for building the binary01:00
NeoStriderI even build the package manually01:00
celesteh_rulesthat's cool.  alas, i am sboxless since i use OS X01:01
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DaniloCesarSB doesn't works ok with Ubuntu64bit....01:02
NeoStriderubuntu 32bit \o01:03
DaniloCesarSo I need to emulate a VirtualMachine of a INdT's Ubuntu32bit to run SB....01:04
DaniloCesarBy the way, VirtualBox is very good to do this job! =)01:04
celesteh_rulesdoes virtualbox work on OS X?01:05
celesteh_ruleshm, intel only, fair enough01:05
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NeoStriderthat VMWare image?01:07
celesteh_ruleshahaha, i can only access my intel mac through VNC.  There's something funny about doing remote virtual.  i need something separating me even further.  ;)01:07
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DaniloCesarNeoStrider, what?01:08
NeoStriderthats why I love my ia32 ubuntu...simples are very simple01:08
NeoStriderforget =-)01:09
NeoStrideras vezes me embolo01:09
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DaniloCesarLol =)01:10
DaniloCesarMe too01:10
DaniloCesarNeoStrider, You said that you use raemo, right?  Is it good? Is it helpful?01:11
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NeoStriderno no01:12
NeoStriderI dont01:12
NeoStriderI dont have internet connectivity on the device01:12
NeoStriderbut it looks good01:12
celesteh_rulesi have virtualbox (yay!) where do i find a VM of scratchbox?01:13
DaniloCesaryes.... But I was thinking.. I dev my apps direct on device with sshfs.... And I think that is the same result..01:13
DaniloCesarcelesteh_rules, wait...01:13
NeoStrideryeah... I guess01:14
DaniloCesarcelesteh_rules, I will recommend you somethings... Install vbox-addons in your guest machine, and mount (editing your /etc/fstab) your folders on your VM...01:16
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celesteh_rulesthanks for the tips01:17
celesteh_rulesit's late in my time zone01:18
celesteh_rulesand i must go to sleep or fall asleep with my face on the keyboard01:18
NeoStriderhappened on the sbox too!01:18
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DaniloCesarNeoStrider, The same error happens on SB?01:19
NeoStriderDaniloCesar:  yes01:19
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* NeoStrider going out to dinner01:28
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pupnikbon appetit01:29
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_Monkeyangstron is
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erstazihello anderson_s02:10
erstazihello Andy8002:10
_Monkeyque tal, Andy8002:10
NeoStriderhello erstazi02:10
erstazihello NeoStrider02:11
NeoStriderhello Andy8002:11
NeoStriderhello anderson_s02:11
erstaziNeoStrider: how have things been going?02:11
NeoStridererstazi: trying to make AngsTRON stabler..specially on N80002:11
erstaziNeoStrider: I am not familiar with AngsTRON, is it a game?02:12
_Monkeyangstron is
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erstaziNeoStrider: looking (:02:14
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erstaziNeoStrider: sehr gut02:16
NeoStriderI do my best02:17
NeoStriderbut its not that fast yet02:17
erstaziNeoStrider: will this work on OS2006?02:18
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NeoStridersure...thats my main target02:18
NeoStriderindeed im having some issues with OS200702:19
erstaziNeoStrider: ah02:21
erstaziwill try it02:21
NeoStridertry it from the xterminal02:21
NeoStriderrunning from the icon is quite unstable02:21
erstaziNeoStrider: ok02:22
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erstaziI love to scp all day02:24
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erstazisecure copy, part of ssh02:25
NeoStrider_Monkey: scp is secure copy, part of ssh02:25
_MonkeyOK, NeoStrider.02:25
erstaziNeoStrider: one question02:25
erstaziNeoStrider: how is it that the deb package is 2mb and the install is only 0.3mb?02:26
NeoStriderdata files02:26
NeoStriderthe binary is only 0.3, but the data files are ~2mb02:26
NeoStriderbut this deb is hacked02:26
NeoStriderI added the data files after creating the .deb02:27
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NeoStriderso the declared size must be 0.3 and the checksum must be set acordingly02:27
sbz_Monkey: ruby-hildon?02:29
_Monkeybugger all, i dunno, sbz02:29
sbzhi, every body can learn to _Monkey ?02:29
NeoStrider_Monkey: ruby-hildon is not rubbish02:30
_MonkeyOK, NeoStrider.02:30
_Monkeyi think ruby-hildon is not rubbish02:30
sbz_Monkey: ruby-hildon is port of hildon bindings in ruby language is also
_Monkey...but ruby-hildon is not rubbish...02:31
NeoStrider_Monkey: forget ruby-hildon02:32
_MonkeyNeoStrider: I forgot ruby-hildon02:32
pupniksbz - tell it to forget ruby-hildon, then reset the hint02:32
NeoStridertry again02:32
NeoStrideranyone knows a good source of information about programming with unix pipes?02:33
NeoStriderfrom a C/C++ app02:33
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sbzNeoStrider: sure, beej guide is the best for that
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NeoStriderbeej's guide to networking rocks!02:35
sbzipc too :)02:35
erstazi_Monkey: forget scp02:35
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot scp02:35
erstazi_Monkey: forget SCP02:35
_Monkeyerstazi, I didn't have anything matching scp02:35
erstaziSCP is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)02:35
NeoStridertry saying02:36
NeoStrider_Monkey:  SCP is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)02:36
_MonkeyOK, NeoStrider.02:36
sbzit come from BSD project called openssh  :)02:36
_Monkeyscp is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)02:36
NeoStriderIm a _Monkey ├╝bber master! muahahahahahah!02:37
sbz_Monkey: ruby-hildon is port of hildon bindings in ruby language is also
_MonkeyOK, sbz.02:37
sbz_Monkey really looks like to bot "purl", is it perlish ?02:38
_Monkeyi haven't a clue, sbz02:38
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erstazisbz: I believe so02:42
pupnikhm was just going to ask Neo something02:44
erstazipupnik: quicker than rice02:44
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pupnikbeen playing with gltron and mesa lately - pretty well done tronlike game in 3d02:45
erstazisbz: scp is similar to the BSD rcp protocol02:45
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erstazircp does not encrypt, but technically neither does scp, scp just uses ssh for that02:46
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erstazihi setite02:46
pupnikis there rcp for maemo?02:46
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NeoStriderim back02:59
NeoStridererstazi: did you tried my game already?02:59
erstaziNeoStrider: not yet03:02
erstaziNeoStrider: loaded it03:03
erstazibtw, wb NeoStrider03:03
erstaziWelcome Back03:04
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erstaziNeoStrider: nice! I have planned something like this years ago03:06
erstaziI have no clue what the name is called03:07
NeoStriderthe game?03:07
_Monkeythe game is, like, very funny03:07
erstazi_Monkey: forget the game03:07
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot game03:07
erstaziNeoStrider: yes03:07
pupnikNeoStrider: you know gltron and armagetronad ?03:07
NeoStriderthey were the inspiration!03:08
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pupnikOk.. just checking03:09
NeoStridertake a look:03:09
erstazipupnik: ah thats it!03:09
_Monkeyhello, is probably there any flash player yet for IT2006/2007 (ARM arch)?03:09
erstazihello MCCob03:09
NeoStriderangstron came from a challenge from toughtfix03:09
NeoStriderhello MCCob03:09
MCCobAnyone have a valid repository or dev file for tapioca ?03:09
erstazi_Monkey: forget hello,03:09
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot hello,03:09
MCCob*deb file03:09
pupnikMCCob: you can search there03:10
MCCob0 Repos for N770 ;)03:10
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trevarthanhey, does anyone here have a working hildon desktop example?03:21
trevarthanhildon desktop is a way to make desktop applets using python. i.e.
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setiteanyoen use vnc successfully?03:27
setitei think perhaps its having trouble due to my resolution03:28
setitebecause it tkaes like 5 mins to load one capture then disconnects03:28
MCCobI use VNC with no problem03:29
setitespeaking of repos03:29
setiteanyone wanna share their working sources.list03:29
MCCoband throught SSH tunnel sometimes03:29
setitemine keeps giving me those damned errors even after disabling almost everything03:30
setitessh tunnel... thats cli?03:30
MCCobfor with Maemo ?03:30
setitewell i want as many repos as possible... but weeding out the errors is hard03:30
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MCCobSSH tunnel is a tunnnel thought SSH connection to a routeur or any other Linux/unix03:30
MCCobNokia 770 or 800 ?03:31
MCCobsource.list is for N 770 or 800 ?03:31
MCCobok, I have 770...03:32
setiteyea i saw that03:32
setiteis there a good file manager03:32
setiteor a hack to make the current one show the /etc and all that fun shit03:32
floriansetite: There is a port of gpe-filemanager, that will show /etc :-)03:33
MCCobmaybe GPE Filemanager03:33
floriangood night03:34
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MCCobYes erstazi  ?03:34
_Monkeyi think erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention03:34
erstaziMCCob: I think thats a sufficient one, unless someone has more to add to it03:34
erstaziMCCob: that sources.list is for OS2006 (nokia 770)03:34
MCCobfor tapioca ?03:34
MCCobI don't need source.list me it's setite ;)03:35
erstaziMCCob: hmmm it might be there, check the comments in it03:35
erstaziMCCob: I know, but it might be there03:35
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MCCobyes, there is repository for tapioca but there is no longuer tapioca on this repository... or domain name no longuer resond. So I've sent an email to a tapica developper03:38
MCCobTapioca must be a good google talk client03:39
erstaziMCCob: hmm, that is becoming common place03:40
erstaziI think people are cleaning out03:40
trevarthanso..... I guess hildon desktop isn't available in the current firmware either. I thought it would be, but it doesn't seem to be.03:40
erstaziMCCob: have you tried google archive?03:40
setitemy connection to my phone keeps breaking lately.. any ideas?03:41
MCCobyes erstazi03:42
_Monkeyrumour has it erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention03:42
erstazi_Monkey: forget erstazi03:45
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot erstazi03:45
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MCCobgood night03:47
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pupnik we could also use a GM MIDI player for the DSP04:41
pupnikOGG, MOD, MIDI would pretty much take care of the music situation04:42
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pupnikOPL2 synth would be nice too, but most games that drive it (adlib) will do just fine with General MIDI as well04:45
pupnikwhich can provide better sound quality at equal or lower cpu use04:45
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edtthe plankton theme is messed up here with the new fmradio version & a reboot the applet uses the default theme.05:27
edtother themes work ok though...05:27
edtI have tried reinstall plankton with no joy05:28
pupnikdoes the problem happen with other applets?05:31
edtthey are fine05:31
pupnikthat is indeed confusing.  feedback to the fmradio maintainer05:31
edtand fmradio changes with builtin themes05:32
pupnikperhaps the problem lies with plankton though05:32
pupniksee if plankton is missing some files05:33
edtthe symptoms do look like it might. I have reinstall it twice - should be ok file wise05:34
pupnikyou know how to use ls and diff to see which files are missing?05:35
pupnikls -1 /path/to/working/theme > goodfiles.txt05:36
pupnikls -1 /path/to/plankton/theme > badfiles.txt05:36
pupnikdiff goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt05:36
pupniksomething like that for e.g.05:36
edtwhat is the path?05:37
pupnikoffhand don't remember - /usr/share/something05:38
edtand what .deb for diff?05:39
pupnikdiff isn't on the device?05:45
pupnikif not then maybe cat goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt |sort05:46
pupnikwhich will show files contained in both as appearing twice05:46
pupnikor copy the txtfiles to a linux computer and do the diff05:47
pupnikmight want to sort them before doing the diff too, not sure if that's needed05:48
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edtdiff can be smart at times...   if I seem to rember kde has some tools that should let me find if files are missing05:52
edts/if I/if not, I/05:52
infobotedt meant: diff can be smart at times...   if not, I seem to rember kde has some tools that should let me find if files are missing05:52
edtwill have to wait till tomorrow though05:54
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* pupnik points08:19
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* pupnik wants to port a general midi player to the dsp09:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:34
pupnik"Life end when you die.  But imagination share with others, live forever." - Quan, Final Fantasy IX10:34
* Jaffa is at No Fluff, Just Stuff in London. Loads of MacBooks, no other N800s :-(o10:36
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pupnikNeat :)  For work or play?10:36
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JaffaWork :-)10:38
JaffaLots of people talking about Groovy/Grails, which is very cool. Not sure we'll be able to use it at work though, we've only just convinced them to switch everything to the Java platform.10:39
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JaffaYesterday my N800 was connected to the free wi-fi all day, with an IM and SSH session open (omostly in soft power-off, admittedly) and the battery was still on 4 bars when I got home.10:40
JaffaOf course, it'd've probably dropped to 0 very quickly when it did start moving.10:40
pupnikyeah the power saving is fantastic - i did irc/surfing for many hours on lowest brightness (7+)10:41
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pupnikwhenever i see Jaffa i think of Ween - Joppa Road  -
* Jaffa 's not heard that one before.10:53
pupnikween was two guys who recorded stuff on a 4-track tape around 1991 and got signed by Sony - who released their 4-track stuff on CD10:57
pupnikstrange stuff10:57
pupnikIs lardman correct that the mic-in / AD converter is only 8-bit?  would be nice if the headphone jack could be used for a better microphone input as well10:58
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timelesspupnik: don't forget to sort ls output11:15
timelessnote: you can usually do: sort|uniq -c|sort11:16
timelessor something like that11:16
timelessactually sort|uniq -u is what you want11:17
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pupnikhe was trying to compare two directories to see if a theme had missing files - for that sort -u would have been -useless11:20
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AD-N770good morning11:33
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pupnikhi AD-N770!  Do you want to build a SoundBlaster emulator to run on the DSP?11:36
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nigelris anyone here working on getting vorbis decoding working through the DSP?11:38
AD-N770pupnik: currently I'm very busy at work and at home, it's really hard find time for personal projects11:38
nigelron the 770?11:38
_Monkeyi guess on the 770 is jerky11:38
pupnikhehe i understand.  Sorry to be annoying - it would be fun and cool for dosbox though11:38
pupnikSB on DSP + dynamic recompilation of X86-ARM could really speed up dosbox11:39
AD-N770good news at my home, we are waiting for a baby11:39
pupnikcongratulations! :)11:39
timeless_monkey forget on the 77011:39
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot on the 77011:39
timeless_monkey on the 770 is <reply>11:39
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:39
AD-N770that means a lot of changes in my family life :)11:40
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pupnikand IRC life11:40
* pupnik removes his hat11:40
AD-N770yes all computer related lifes will be affected too :)11:40
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floriangood morning11:58
pupnikbon matin12:10
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guardiancan you lookup your n800 device by hostname ???12:22
guardianon a lan network when ip is gotten from dhcp ?12:22
pupnikjust add the n800 address to /etc/hosts or the hosts file on windows12:22
pupnikfor example echo "    nokia" >> /etc/hosts12:23
guardiani onced asked on the mailing list12:23
guardiansetting the bluetooth name used to work12:24
guardianbut it's not working anymore since the last os update12:24
janiguardian: some dhcp clients can send name updates to the dns server but dns  server in your network should support that.12:25
guardianit does since it used to work :)12:26
guardianin fact the n800 is the only computer on the lan that has no hostname associated with the ip in the dhcp12:26
pupniki wonder what year they added that to dhcp12:26
`0660it sounds pretty insecure :)12:28
`0660anyone could pretend to be a certain device12:28
janipupnuk: rfc 2136 might be the answer ..12:29
guardianinsecure ?12:29
guardiani just want convenience12:29
guardianon a private lan12:29
ysss__ah yes.. the age of innocence.. when they're old enough not to know any better, being insecure is part of the growing process..12:29
janior not.12:30
guardianwhat's wrong with publishing the hostname to dhcp ?12:31
janiactually, i think it might be the dhcp server which does the update to dns ..12:31
janiand not the client ..12:31
pupnikhmm 1997...12:31
janiguardian: can you check your leases file, does it contain any name  for n800  lease ?12:32
guardianwell if the up script does not call udpchp with the -H option no hostname is passed so the dhcp does not forward that to dns12:32
guardianjani: there is a blank entry for the n800 device12:32
guardianfor the corresponding ip12:32
guardiani'm reading again /etc/udhcpc scripts12:33
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_Monkeyniihau, lardman12:41
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pupniki dunno man, for a home network, /etc/hosts works reel guud.12:41
lardmanI'm going to have to perform endianness swapping for pretty much all the data I'm using - i.e. buffer pointers, etc.12:42
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lardmanI wonder if there's some way around it... I can't think of one though12:42
pupnikdid you discover that reading the documentation or looking at existing code lardman?12:43
lardmanI had thought my wonderful circular buffer code was complete, and then it dawned on me that the DSP and ARM use different endiannesses12:44
pupnikheh :/12:44
lardmanIt's in the DSP docs, definitely bigendian12:44
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kulvelardman: I cleaned up a bit the wiki on dspprogramming..12:46
guardianwhat would be the script that calls udhcpc the first time ?12:46
lardmankulve: Great12:46
lardmanI was thinking that we should add a section on debugging12:46
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latzkohi all12:58
latzkowhere I can find the maemo_af_desktop debug messages on tablet? my applet freezes only on tablet...12:59
pupnikhow do you get errors on the desktop (sb)?13:00
latzkoafter start it logs on the same shell13:01
pupnikmaybe you can look where maemo_af_desktop gets started (in /etc/init.d ?) and ad add a > /home/user/tmp.txt  or 2> ... to the invocation?13:02
* Jaffa belatedly congrats AD-77013:02
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janilatzko: did you check /dev/xconsole ?13:11
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latzkono actually13:12
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janiso just cat /dev/xconsole  .. it keeps some history too so you might be able to see it even thou errors have allready happened.13:14
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latzkojani, no such file here13:18
janiok, maybe its r&d  feature.13:19
latzkoI see13:20
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latzkoi googled but find nothing about installing xconsole on n80013:30
janiwhat i meant, xconsole might be a feature that we have in our internal releases.13:32
latzkoI c13:32
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latzkoshould I safely run ./flasher-2.0 --enable-rd-mode ?13:34
latzkoor is it not enough?13:35
lardmanVorbis people, is the vf struct a mix of vorbis and ogg or just ogg? I'd like to separate out the ogg reading so I can send individual packets13:35
lardmanlatzko: That should switch to r&d mode, yes13:36
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lardmanhmm, I suppose it has to be a mix as otherwise there's no way of knowing the packet size...13:38
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lardmanogg_stream_packetout, just what I'm after13:40
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AD-N770lardman: look at arm6 assembly instructions: REV, REV16 and REVSH to deal on endianess at ARM side13:47
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lardmanAD-N770: Thanks, will give them a look13:49
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pupnikwhy do so many users join #maemo but never chat?13:55
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kulvebecause nobody could read that flood ;)13:55
pupnikhmm.  there's no need to log it13:56
lardmanit's the little gems of wisdom that the logging is good for14:01
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lardmanit's so annoying how long it takes looking at some code to become famililar with it14:08
latzkowell, I am in r&d mode now but there is no /dev/xconsole either14:09
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jani "xconsole might be a feature that we have in our internal releases. "  <- emphasis on "in our internal release" =)14:10
janisorry if i mislead you.14:10
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latzkook, np, tnx14:11
lardmanyou need to run the xconsole binary according to google14:11
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latzkoI cant find it. sorry for disturbing you but now I have minimal time to fix my stuff14:14
lardmanI'd try pupnik's suggestion then14:15
latzkois there any other way to find out why my home applet crash? it works perfectly in sbox, x86 target14:16
pupnikthere's also a redirect for stdout+stderr but i keep forgetting it - something like 1&2> out.txt14:16
lardman&> iirc14:17
pupnikyou're right!14:18
pupnikbtw #bash on freenode is a good place to get "bashed" for asking silly rtfm questions about bash :)14:20
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test__hi, I m newbie , if anybody have time please tell me how can i install glibc 2.4 in scratchbox14:26
lardmantest__: why do you want to do that?14:30
test__i installed libjpeg to compress image size14:31
test__but when i go to use djpeg then it show me GLIBc 2.4 not found error for that14:32
latzkowell, I know how to redirect but dunno what :) redirecitng af-startup does not gave me much info14:32
lardmantest__: You installed it from the wrong place then14:33
lardmantest__: My N800 running the latest flash image is using libc 2.3.614:33
lardmantest__: surely libjpeg comes pre-installed?14:34
lardman[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/lib/*jpeg*14:35
lardman/usr/lib/libjpeg.a  /usr/lib/  /usr/lib/  /usr/lib/  /usr/lib/
test__ya i got this prob14:35
test__actually i m newbie please help me14:36
lardmanWhat do you want? libjpeg should already be installed14:37
lardmanwhat do you want to do with libjpeg?14:37
test__i want to convert a jpeg image to ppm format in target14:38
pupnikyour host system can also read/write to/from directories within scratchbox14:39
pupnikso you could use the pnm/pbm tools from the host OS14:41
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pupnikor-- cjpeg rather14:41
lardmanor grab this tarball, run configure, then (probably) make cjpeg14:42
latzkowell, I know how but I dont know what to redirect. rtfm is good if there is a fucking manual about that....14:42
lardmanlatzko: Was there no output?14:43
lardmanlatzko: I guess you've removed any &>/dev/null statements in that script too?14:43
test__  not found14:43
pupniklatzko: are you sure you're not trying to cut-down a tree blocking your way instead of walking around it?14:44
latzkominimal , script echo output like starting things and like that14:44
lardmanmy apologies14:44
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test__no need to be apologies14:45
lardmanlatzko: I fear your question is more one for the Nokia chaps as they know what actually tries to start the applets and where any output would go14:45
infobotpupnik meant: test__: are you sure you're not trying to cut-down a tree blocking your way instead of walking around it?14:45
latzkoI see14:45
test__no, i don't think so. realy i need help14:46
pupniktest__: if i need to convert a wav to mp3, i don't do it in scratchbox14:46
lardmantest__: Download and use this:
lardmantest__: It took me a total of 30s to download and compile and upload14:49
test__i have that one14:50
test__also Djpeg14:50
lardmanyeah, but this one is linked against the right version of glibc14:50
test__this is my main prob14:51
lardmandownload the one I just gave the url for and try it14:51
pupniktest__: follow lardman's instructions :)14:51
test__ya i m following him14:51
lardmandoes it work?14:52
test__ya , ./cjpeg [switches] -outfile jpegfile  imagefile. but outside of target14:54
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lardmanThe file I compiled will only run on ARMEL14:55
lardmanWhat target are you trying to use?14:56
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pupnikthis situation is a waste of your talents :)14:57
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lardmanI like the feeling of satisfaction when a problem is solved :)14:58
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lardmantest__: Does it work?15:00
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sujani made a deb but after installing it was not showing in the menu of the scratchbox15:05
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lardman~lart whoever indented vorbisfile.c15:06
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`0660anderson_s_away, are you trying to say that you are not on your computer?15:09
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sp3000good to know15:10
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`0660i missed you already15:11
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lardmanthat's getting annoying now15:12
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anderson_ssorry. I was testing a plugin, and didn't mean to hit all the servers...15:12
`0660try disabling that plugin15:12
gla55_is back messages get annoying15:12
`0660it's of no use15:12
anderson_splugin unpluged.. shouldn't be happening nay more15:12
gla55_might seem fun and games for a week15:12
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lardmanI wonder if vorbisfile.c was attacked by a random indentation script15:14
lardmanor if it's done on purpose to make the code look more complicated15:15
`0660heh, indentation scripts don't even need to be random to produce ugly code :)15:16
lardmanI thought it'd be easy enough to sort out by hand, but spent the last 10min looking to see why I had an extra in the "wrong" place }15:17
lardmanextra } that should be15:17
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pupniki haven't used 'lint' before, but it's supposed to indent automagically15:19
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lardmanthe MATLAB editor will automatically sort out an file for you - nice15:20
lardmanI should find a better editor than gedit15:20
test__lardman__ Thanks15:20
lardmantest__: It worked then?15:20
test__But i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set15:21
test__this error15:21
lardmanyou've not setup scratchbox correctly then15:21
lardmanI don't know how to fix that, look at the tutorial/docs you followed when you first set it up15:21
test__will i run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start"15:22
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pupnikyou also get that error when running an armel binary in a 386 target, iirc15:26
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test__i got this prob"cjpeg: /lib/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg)15:44
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test__please any body help me15:44
lardmanwith my version of cjpeg?15:45
test__no i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set"15:46
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test__this prob with this version15:46
lardmanwell that's not the fault of the binary, it's your scratchbox setup15:46
test__of course my fault15:46
lardmanare you trying to run in ARMEL or x86 mode?15:46
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pupnik_the 386 cjpeg was copied in from a more modern linux host, and he's trying to run the armel cjpeg in a 386 target15:47
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test__actually i install cJpeg in target-8615:47
lardmanwhy do you want cjpeg for a 386 target?15:47
test__here all of our team member usually work at  [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >15:48
test__and me also15:48
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test__and i need djpeg also15:49
lardmandid you install libjpeg or just grab the cjpeg/djpeg binaries?15:50
lardmanbecause you'll need to uninstall them as they are linked against the wrong version of libc15:50
lardmanthen download the tarball15:50
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lardmancd into the directory that's created when you uncompress it15:50
lardmanrun: ./configure && make cjpeg && make djpeg15:51
lardmanand copy the cjpeg and djpeg binaries somewhere like /usr/bin15:51
test__in time of inatallation i wrote /scratchbox/...../terget 86 in configuration file15:52
test__and the ./configure---make15:52
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lardmanI don't understand. You've already built c/djpeg then?15:53
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_Monkeythen is not free software, it is not GNU/linux embedded, i refuse to use a phone that has not GNU/linux15:54
lardmanI'd ignore that completely, just run configure without arguments15:55
lardmanoh dear, you're not trying to compile outside of scratchbox are you?15:55
test__[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > cjpeg -quality 10 -outfile TTT.jpg  Djpeg1.ppm15:55
test__cjpeg: /lib/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg)15:55
lardmanwhere did that version of cjpeg come from? From a deb, a binary you compiled somewhere?15:56
test__from here "jpeg-6b"15:56
lardmanyou compiled it?15:56
lardmanbut you compiled it outside of scratchbox didn't you?15:57
lardmanyou'd not started scratchbox (/scratchbox/login) and were not running it when you compiled15:57
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test__scratchbox was not logged in15:58
lardmango to the code you used to compile it originally, run "make uninstall" to remove whatever it tried to install15:58
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lardmanthen login to scratchbox, download the code again and run configure (no argumnets) and make djpeg, etc.15:59
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lardmanI don;t know if you'll have overwritten the scratchbox version of libjpeg, hopefully not, but you may need to reinstall it (dpkg-install ? anyone?)15:59
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test__lardman:::dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libjpeg62-dev:16:04
test__ libjpeg62-dev depends on libjpeg62 (= 6b-13); however:16:04
test__  Version of libjpeg62 on system is 6b-9osso4.16:04
test__dpkg: error processing libjpeg62-dev (--install):16:04
test__ dependency problems - leaving unconfigured16:04
test__Errors were encountered while processing:16:04
test__ libjpeg62-dev16:04
test__i got this prob16:04
_Monkeyi heard pastebin was slow.....16:04
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lardmanwhat were you trying to do?16:04
test__ fakeroot dpkg -i libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb16:04
lardmanno no no!16:04
lardmanlet it choose where it gets the deb from16:05
lardmanthe repository should already be setup16:05
lardmanare you missing the libjpeg* files?16:05
lardmanis there any point in installing them?16:06
test__again i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >  fakeroot apt-get install  libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb16:06
test__Reading Package Lists... Done16:06
test__Building Dependency Tree... Done16:06
test__E: Couldn't find package libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb16:06
lardmaninside scratchbox (ie. after you've logged in) see if "ls /usr/lib/*jpeg*" shows anything)16:06
lardmantest__: Use for large amounts of text.16:06 even16:07
test__ls: /usr/lib/*jpeg: No such file or directory16:07
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lardmanok, so you did screw it up, fair enough16:07
lardmanit will think that libjpeg is still installed16:07
lardmanyou may need to force the install, not sure how16:08
lardmantry: "fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg"16:08
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test__i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg16:08
test__Reading Package Lists... Done16:08
test__Building Dependency Tree... Done16:08
test__E: Couldn't find package libjpeg16:08
lardmanCan someone else chip in here? I know nothing about apt-get16:09
test__here is now 7.12 pm16:10
lardmantest__: Ah, perhaps it's called "jpeg" rather than "libjpeg"16:10
test__no its not16:11
cosmolardman: apt-cache search jpeg16:12
lardmancosmo: Thanks16:12
lardmantest__: try that16:12
test__i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > apt-cache search jpeg16:13
test__libjpeg62 - The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library16:13
test__libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library16:13
lardmanfakeroot apt-get install  libjpeg62-dev16:13
test__i need libjpeg62-de16:13
test__i got Reading Package Lists... Done16:14
test__Building Dependency Tree... Done16:14
test__libjpeg62-dev is already the newest version.16:14
test__You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:16:14
test__The following packages have unmet dependencies:16:14
test__  libjpeg62-dev: Depends: libjpeg62 (= 6b-13) but 6b-9osso4 is to be installed16:14
test__E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).16:14
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test__i tried -f16:14
lardmandid you install  libjpeg62-dev from elsewhere?16:14
lardmanyou might want to remove that first as it's not a maemo version16:15
test__ya , by clicking outside of scratch box16:15
test__on the package16:15
lardmanthat's not related16:15
lardmanyou must have tried installing it inside scratchjbox too16:15
test__but can't16:16
lardmanso apt-get remove it16:16
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test__i got it "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >  fakeroot apt-get -f remove  libjpeg62-dev16:17
test__Reading Package Lists... Done16:17
test__Building Dependency Tree... Done16:17
test__You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:16:17
test__The following packages have unmet dependencies:16:17
test__  libmatchbox-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed16:17
test__  osso-af-base-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed16:17
_Monkeyi already had it that way, test__.16:17
test__E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).16:17
test__[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >  fakeroot apt-get  remove  libjpeg62-dev16:17
test__Reading Package Lists... Done16:17
test__Building Dependency Tree... Done16:17
test__You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:16:17
test__The following packages have unmet dependencies:16:17
lardmanuse pastebin!16:17
test__  libmatchbox-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed16:17
_Monkeyi already had it that way, test__.16:17
test__  osso-af-base-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed16:17
_Monkeyi already had it that way, test__.16:17
test__E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).16:17
lardmanUse pastebin next time please16:17
infoboti heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try, or, or, or is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or is a very nice pastebin as well16:18
test__ok thanks alot lardman16:18
test__thank you very much for helping me16:18
lardmantest__: Your apt thinks you have the packages installed, unfortuntely the actual binaries have been removed16:18
lardmantest__: I don;t know if there;s some kind of overwrite flag on apt-get16:19
lardmantest__: but you somehow need to get the maemo versions of libjpeg and -dev installed16:19
lardmanI've no idea how to do this16:19
test__you spent a lot of time , thanks for that16:20
test__i will try16:20
lardmannp, good luck16:20
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lardmanderf: Are you about?16:32
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lardmanor anyone else with knowledge of vorbis internals?16:35
derflardman: Yes.16:35
lardmancan I pick your brain please?16:35
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lardmanvf->ready_state to be exact, and whether there's some documentation on the meanings of the various values somewhere?16:36
lardmanI'm guessing that INITSET is the last step, i.e. everything is setup, but am wondering what the difference is between that and STREAMSET?16:37
lardmanand OPENED for that matter16:38
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derfSTREAMSET means it has initialized the comment and info structures (and thus needs to clear them at some point).16:43
derfLINKSET means it's done that for the current link in a chained file.16:44
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derf(if you're STREAMSET, but not LINKSET, then you need to clear the existing header info, find the headers for the current link, and then initialize those)16:44
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lardmanand INITSET vs OPENED?16:45
derfAnd then INITSET is LINKSET plus it has initialized a decoder.16:45
lardmanto go from OPENED to INITSET it needs to read in the header from the looks of it16:46
* CardinalFang is thrilled to see "maemo" and "Vorbis" on the same screen. "Please say whatever you're making is for the 770. Ohpleaseohplease."16:46
lardmanOr perhaps that's the other way, it falls back to OPENED16:46
lardmanCardinalFang: N800 in the first instance16:47
lardmanCardinalFang: But the code is generic, just that I could never get the DSP to behave on the 77016:47
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CardinalFangThat's where the action is, for a nicely-behaving decoder, yes?  The DSP?16:48
lardmanIt's a little project of mine16:48
lardmanderf: The header is 3 pages long. Is that always the case?16:49
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lardmanah 3 packets long16:49
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derflardman: Anyway, in general, the only documentation of the code is the source.16:56
derfWe always tell people, "Feel free to write some, we'll accept patches," but no one ever does.16:57
lardmanThat's fair enough, I was just after a pointer16:58
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lardmanand you've given me one16:58
lardmanI'm trying to work out how to separate out the ogg page -> packet decoding to the ARM side, so I can send single packets to the DSP side for decoding16:59
lardmanit's not helped by the multitude of places where new packets are read from17:00
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Tu13esanyone know anything about the webkit browser for the n800?17:09
gla55_no, but i'm mildly intrested17:10
Andy80anyone knows if we could have a STABLE browser on 770 one day :) ?17:11
gla55_dunno, the default is quite stable compared to webkit on s6017:11
Andy80opera on my N73 doesn't crash so often ;)17:12
Andy80or better... never crashed to me17:12
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gla55_yeah s60 opera has become quite good17:17
gla55_and opera mini too..17:17
gla55_much more better in the memory management side17:17
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lardmando they have the same funcitonality as microb?17:29
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kulvelardman: did you notice that some body asked about "DSP/ARM shared memory test on N800" on dsp gw list17:32
Andy80microb is even more unstable than opera :(17:32
lardmanNo, I've not been following it lately17:32
Andy80(at least for me)17:32
lardmankulve: I'll take a look now17:32
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lardmanodd the mailing list is so hard to find from the dsp gateway page17:33
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timeless  ry?17:34
timelessdo you have specific pages that crash the browser?17:34
timelessand if you disable flash, do you still have pages that crash the browser?17:35
lardman:) I didn't notice there was an existing shared memory test, oops, might have saved myself some work :D17:35
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lardmanI'm surprised his code compiled, EXRAM doesn't exist iirc17:36
lardmanah, he's tried to create it, he should have used one of the pre-defined sections17:36
kulvelardman: I wrote some notes down about my experiments:
lardmankulve: Cool, I'll have a read of it in a bit17:38
kulvelardman: it's quite high level.. I'll need to write some details to the wiki17:42
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AD-N770kulve: I read a bit the C55 DSP manuals yesterday17:58
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lardmanAD-N770: See anything exciting?17:59
lardmankulve: That chap who emailed to the dspgateway list was using the maemo wiki page, I wonder why he didn't email the list. Very odd.18:00
AD-N770kulve: about what you asked me for the math functions, I think that probably you will get better results on speed with a rewrite of some higher level functions18:00
AD-N770than just the simple math ones18:01
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lardmanIn vorbisfile.c, in the _fetch_and_process_packet() fn, can anyone see why the second while(1) loop is there?18:03
lardmanafaict, it can never loop through more than once18:04
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AD-N770kulve: ping18:30
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zeenixAD-N770: he is a finn, must be out somewhere buzzing at this hour :)18:32
AD-N770zeenix: ok, thanks18:33
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lardmanderf: The stream is very closely linked to the other parts of the overall vorbis engine18:47
lardmanrather confusing trying to see if the packets (and therefore stream) could be broken away and left on the ARM18:47
lardmanI have a feeling I'm on a hiding to nowhere here though18:47
lardmanafter feeling optimistic this morning18:47
lardmanThe options are to make the break higher up (i.e. all on the DSP, for which I've already written the code, just need to fiddle with the malloc, etc. routines)18:49
lardmanOr lower down, just the dsp functions. That seems to me to be a cleaner way of doing things18:49
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AD-N770lardman: what you use to compile the dsp code ?19:14
lardmanAD-N770: The 'free' Ti DSP toolchain19:15
lardmanAD-N770: Take a look at the DSP Programming topic on the maemo wiki19:16
AD-N770lardman: can it generate into assembly ?19:16
lardmanAD-N770: C->ASM?19:16
lardmanAD-N770: Yes, I think so19:16
lardmancertainly it can diassemble19:17
AD-N770is it gcc derived ?19:17
lardmanno idea19:17
AD-N770do you know if it supports inline assembly ?19:18
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lardmanThat I don't know, but there's a pdf on the Ti website about the assembler19:19
lardmancompiler even19:19
lardmanlet me dig out the number for you...19:19
AD-N770I think that spru376/example 3-19 is usefull for speex19:19
lardmansearch for c5519:20
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lardmanlots of things there19:20
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lardmanspru281f.pdf is the one I was thinking of19:20
lardmanAD-N770: I don't know what operations speex requires, though FIR filter is presumably among them19:22
lardmanAD-N770: I also don't know how good the C compiler is at optimisation19:23
AD-N770what I'm thinking is that probably the C code don't generate the 2 mac paralelized19:23
lardmanNo idea, but one would assume it would do some things right19:24
AD-N770so just take this code into an function in C using inline assembly would be usefull19:24
lardmanthere were also some tips (in the link I posted yesterday) to make the C compiler generate better (more optimised code)19:25
AD-N770i've been reading in the speex code, the sse optimization for FIR is done in a similar way19:25
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AD-N770I only need to find which is the syntax used by the c compiler for inline assembly and passing data to it19:26
AD-N770or could be that will be easier write it in one external module19:27
AD-N770I will try to install the stuff at home this weekend and play a bit with it19:27
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lardmansection 6.5.3 of the compiler guide19:30
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lardmanAD-N770: Looks like Intel syntax which is handy19:34
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lardmanhave a nice weekend all19:36
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Blacksitoxbuenos dias20:38
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booiiing-n800hi guys20:51
booiiing-n800i just saw a report on tv about people throwing around nokia rainboots20:52
booiiing-n800finland won ;)20:52
booiiing-n800it seems to me that finnish people don't like nokia :>20:52
booiiing-n800after all, there is also a mobile-throwing-competition20:53
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WhisperingVoicesanyone here use GPE Calendar on the N800?21:04
lle2anybody wanna guess what happened to my skype bugreport sent to
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*** W_I has joined #maemo21:05 report -> told me to send it to skype.com21:05 report -> told me to send it to nokia.com21:05
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tkojust automate that and I'm sure someone will get sufficiently pissed off :)21:11
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WhisperingVoicesI need a way to backup GPE Calendar's calendar file before I use Erminig, on my N800, however the /user/.gpe/ directory isn't visible to me. Anyone have any ideas?21:15
lle2tko: :) but this is actually not at all surprising state of affairs, although that's no excuse.21:17
lle2Who knows how many bugreports get buried this way21:18
tkoI'm sure the error managers could dig that up for you :)21:19
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lle2I'm sure I don't really wanna know21:21
pyhimysWhisperingVoices: install xterm21:23
pyhimysyou can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe21:24
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WhisperingVoicesthanks pyhimys21:26
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WhisperingVoicesI can't see that on the catalogue, I guess I'll google for installation instructions21:29
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WhisperingVoicesI found osso-xterm after Red Pilling, thanks I'll try the maemo one instead21:32
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_Monkeywhat's up, b0unc321:33
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pupnik_13:20 -!- test__ has joined #maemo // 13:53  * pupnik ducks //  <support hell> // 15:19 -!- test__  has quit21:42
pupnik_saw that one comin21:42
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kikkaMy n770 will come soon :):):):)21:42
WhisperingVoices[19:26] <pyhimys> you can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe <- this done, but where will gpe.tar end up?21:43
pupnik_in .21:43
pyhimysWhisperingVoices: your working directory21:44
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pyhimysWhisperingVoices: /home/user would be my guess21:44
WhisperingVoicesOk, thanks. Found that.21:44
WhisperingVoicesI had to get GEP File Manager to see it.21:44
WhisperingVoiceslast question before me and my newbie self go and try and sync with Google Calendar ... how do I restore that .tar into the .gpe directory? :D21:45
pyhimystar xf gpe.tar21:45
pyhimysyou could also backup it remotely21:46
WhisperingVoicesI don't have anything else that runs Linux, well a laptop that just lost its adapter and has no battery21:46
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pyhimystar cf - .gpe | ssh 'tar xf -'21:47
pyhimysgotta love ssh pipes21:47
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pupnik_yes, what took windows custom software to do, could be done since the early '70s with unix builtin commands21:48
pupnik_for e.g. backing up compressed partitions over a network21:49
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WhisperingVoicesBleh, I can't click on 'Add' in Erminig.21:54
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Tu13esWhisperingVoices: my gf had that problem22:01
Tu13esthen it randomly worked22:01
Tu13esI think redoing her google info fixedi t22:01
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WhisperingVoicesI hadn't logged into Google Calendar on the PDa22:14
WhisperingVoiceserm, n80022:15
WhisperingVoicesthat fixed it :) thanks all for your help22:15
WhisperingVoicesI am now even happier than I already was with my n800 :D22:15
mbufcan the N800 operate USB in host mode?22:18
lle2mbuf: yes, using the experimental patches22:19
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lle2mbuf: it won't be able to provide power22:19
mbuflle2, is it an OTG controller?22:20
mbuflle2, so it can switch between host and device?22:20
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|tbb|lle2: could u plug any usb keyboard on it22:21
lle2mbuf: in principle yes, with the kernel we ship, no22:22
mbuflle2, thanks22:22
lle2|tbb|: I don't think so, they need to be powered22:22
lle2|tbb|: with a modified hub that provides power to the devices you can do it22:23
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lle2|tbb|: easiest way to get a keyboard is to buy a bluetooth kb22:26
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|tbb|got an url how to modify a usbhub22:27
lle2no, but try searching for "usb hub mod 770" or something ;)22:28
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pbryanSo, Ubuntu Mobile for N800?22:45
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||cwpbryan: ubuntu is not (yet) targeting nokia devices22:51
pbryan||cw: Yeah, so far just the Intel platform.22:51
||cwtheir only target so far is Intel's MID platform22:51
* pbryan wonders if it will be easy to port to ARM.22:51
pbryanI guess we'll see when it releases.22:51
pbryanIf so, won't that be interesting critical mass?22:51
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||cwsince ubuntu doesn't officialy support arm it could be difficult22:53
pbryan||cw: Well, there's a branch of Debian (armeb) which is not officially supported by Debian either, but seems to have a strong following.22:53
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ekim|ircDoes anyone know how I can get man on my 77022:55
ekim|ircalso...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities22:56
ekim|ircbut I cant install itr because it conflicts with busybox22:56
pbryanHmm. That post was a while ago.22:56
pbryanAny progress?22:57
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pbryanGoogle to the rescue.22:57
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ekim|ircCan someone help me23:09
ekim|ircalso...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities , it says it conflicts with busybox ... how can I install it23:10
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ekim|ircwhat is the bar with the applications on the bottom of the screen in this screenshot ?23:21
ekim|ircIs everyone here asleep ?23:22
celestehscreenshot: no idea.  my OS looks nothing like that23:23
celestehmaybe it's an applet23:23
ekim|ircI want that :)23:23
ekim|ircmaybe its just a customized IDEA23:23
celestehi'm awake, i just don't have answers23:24
celesteheverytime i've tried to sort out packet conflicts it really has not been worth the time or effort23:24
celestehyou could copy the conflicting package to a different computer and then mount your N800 via usb23:25
celestehand then manually install every element23:25
ekim|ircFound it23:25
|tbb|have someone successfully had using rdesktop over  an adhoc connection23:26
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celestehbut the conflict is probably because of some library23:27
celestehone package wants one version, the other package wants another version23:27
celestehso most of the things you manually install don't work because they want the wrong library23:27
celestehOR you get the new package to work but break the old one23:27
|tbb|my connection stops working after a few seconds :(23:27
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MCCobany valid Tapioca Repository in this world ??23:37
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birunkoMCCob,, i guess23:41
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