IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-08-31

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NeoStrider	hey fellows	00:14
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NeoStrider	hey folks	00:14
celesteh_rules	howdy	00:15
_Monkey	niihau, celesteh_rules	00:15
celesteh_rules	stupid monkey	00:15
NeoStrider	hahahah	00:15
NeoStrider	maybe you guys can help me into something:	00:15
DaniloCesar	Hi Neo!	00:16
NeoStrider	when running my app from the icon, it dies after some seconds...but when running from xterminal or "run command" from system-load applet, it runs perfectly	00:16
NeoStrider	hey DaniloCesar	00:16
NeoStrider	you guys know something about DBus and SDL apps not getting along with each other?	00:17
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DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, Can U redirect the error message to a file and see what is happening?	00:17
NeoStrider	hardly...	00:18
NeoStrider	I would modify the whole game engine to do that...	00:18
celesteh_rules	sounds like an environment issue	00:20
celesteh_rules	i would suspect that there's a path set someplace in xterm or in the app runner that's not set when you click on the icon	00:21
celesteh_rules	a library or something is probably failing to load	00:21
DaniloCesar	just put on your .desktop file, exec=/locate/of/your/app 2> /tmp/err.log	00:21
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NeoStrider	good!!!	00:22
DaniloCesar	probably	00:22
NeoStrider	thats my #1 suspect	00:23
DaniloCesar	=)	00:23
DaniloCesar	C?	00:23
NeoStrider	(anyway, my game uses only absolute paths)	00:23
NeoStrider	what?	00:24
celesteh_rules	you're doing dynamic linking, no? then libraries don't necessarily have absolute paths	00:25
DaniloCesar	Angstron?	00:25
_Monkey	Angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/	00:25
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NeoStrider	celesteh_rules: but the game runs for some seconds...if Im good enough, I can even pass the first level	00:27
celesteh_rules	um, weird	00:29
DaniloCesar	Hummmm	00:29
DaniloCesar	Do you use gstreammer?	00:29
NeoStrider	looks like some stack or buffer difference	00:29
NeoStrider	me , not directly...but maybe SDL does	00:29
celesteh_rules	it's a time thing? Like, it doesn't matter what you do, it just quits after a short time?	00:29
NeoStrider	not really	00:31
DaniloCesar	I read something about a bug in gstreammer pipeline today.... Maybe is it...	00:31
NeoStrider	sometimes is more time, sometimes ,less	00:31
NeoStrider	I will try measuring the time	00:31
celesteh_rules	ok, but it doesn't matter what you're doing?	00:31
NeoStrider	humm...the game has a fixed flux	00:31
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NeoStrider	you go through some screens and then into the 3D world	00:32
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DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, Did you get the error message using the "2>" approach?	00:32
NeoStrider	sometimes it halts on the 3D part, sometimes on the loading screens	00:32
celesteh_rules	so there's not a state in game-play that's horked. so it could be a race condition, perhaps	00:32
NeoStrider	couting	00:32
NeoStrider	yeah	00:32
celesteh_rules	the error message will shed light, hopefully	00:32
NeoStrider	24 seconds on the first try...	00:33
NeoStrider	I havent installed the new version with the > yet...	00:33
DaniloCesar	just change your .desktop file....	00:33
NeoStrider	i cant	00:33
DaniloCesar	why?	00:33
celesteh_rules	man, that's perplexing	00:33
NeoStrider	permissions	00:33
DaniloCesar	sudo gainroot?	00:34
NeoStrider	ok	00:34
NeoStrider	now Im going to try the new package with the >	00:34
DaniloCesar	hummm... ok	00:34
NeoStrider	sudo gainroot doesnt work	00:35
DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, hummm	00:35
NeoStrider	testing	00:35
NeoStrider	halted even before I could play!	00:35
NeoStrider	the device freez'd	00:36
celesteh_rules	are you on the latest OS version?	00:36
NeoStrider	yes	00:36
NeoStrider	gregale	00:36
_Monkey	it has been said that gregale is something else entirely	00:36
DaniloCesar	but now you got a message	00:36
NeoStrider	the device killed the process	00:36
NeoStrider	but no log!	00:37
* DaniloCesar wtf		00:37
DaniloCesar	it's very strange	00:37
DaniloCesar	try 1>> /mmc1/log.txt 2>> /mmc1/log.txt	00:39
NeoStrider	my system is misbehaving	00:40
NeoStrider	going to reboot	00:40
NeoStrider	1>> /media/mmc1/log.txt 2>> /media/mmc1/log.txt?	00:40
DaniloCesar	you need to get some message... linux not use to kill applications without a error message....	00:41
DaniloCesar	or maybe with strace command.....	00:41
NeoStrider	yeah...im reading a book about the kernel ;-)	00:41
DaniloCesar	but I don't know if maemo have this command	00:42
NeoStrider	let me check if it works without the >	00:42
DaniloCesar	Yes... Try to redirect 1>> (stdout) and 2>> (stderr)	00:43
DaniloCesar	to different files	00:43
* celesteh_rules trying to think what's the different between the prompt and clicking the icon		00:43
celesteh_rules	if it really works from the prompt, then, um, the most likely culprit is either environment or error catching, maybe?	00:44
NeoStrider	clicking the icon: maemo-af-desktop opens the .desktop file (.inactive on the package)	00:44
DaniloCesar	the only thing that I can remember is the LD_PRELOAD	00:44
NeoStrider	then, it finds out the .service file and gives it to dbus1, right?	00:45
NeoStrider	and dbus1 realises it needs to run the app	00:45
celesteh_rules	it's a timing thing, so it's having trouble recovering from something like a race condition. maybe the OS asks it for something and it doesn't know where to find it?	00:45
NeoStrider	what could it be?	00:46
NeoStrider	my app is very cpu hungry	00:46
NeoStrider	around 70%	00:46
NeoStrider	(3D game ;-))	00:46
DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, Angstrong or another game?	00:47
NeoStrider	angstron	00:47
_Monkey	hmmm... angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/	00:47
NeoStrider	shut ut, _Monkey	00:47
_Monkey	NeoStrider: sorry...	00:47
NeoStrider	hahah...	00:48
NeoStrider	love this monkey	00:48
DaniloCesar	UHAHUHUAHUAHUUHAUH	00:48
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NeoStrider	strange...if there is a opened xterminal, it dies too	00:49
celesteh_rules	ok, my guess is that it's clobbering shared memory	00:50
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NeoStrider	but why it doesnt do sh*t when called from xterminal?	00:50
celesteh_rules	um. no idea.	00:51
NeoStrider	ok...trying again the > thing	00:52
NeoStrider	maybe the memory is cleaner than before	00:52
celesteh_rules	well, i could speculate in that manner, but it would just be speculation. maybe it doesn't matter if you clobber xterm's memory or something	00:52
celesteh_rules	but it really sounds like a race condition, given that it stops at unpredictable times NOT based on what you're doing	00:53
celesteh_rules	some shared resource	00:53
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celesteh_rules	could also be related to audio or video, of those happen on the interrupt level.	00:54
NeoStrider	but im only using plain SDL	00:54
celesteh_rules	last guess is that it adds overhead to launch from an icon which causes it to run out of memory faster OR makes it slower responding to interrupts	00:54
celesteh_rules	what is SDL?	00:55
NeoStrider	again, no log	00:55
celesteh_rules	or, it could be gremlins	00:55
DaniloCesar	Simple Direct Layer	00:55
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NeoStrider	_Monkey: SDL is Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org	00:55
_Monkey	OK, NeoStrider.	00:55
NeoStrider	SDL?	00:56
_Monkey	SDL is Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org	00:56
celesteh_rules	nice	00:56
NeoStrider	good	00:57
celesteh_rules	is there a maemo debugger?	00:57
NeoStrider	the same thing DOOM uses	00:57
NeoStrider	only raemo	00:58
NeoStrider	but I dont have internet connectivity	00:58
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NeoStrider	hey	00:59
DaniloCesar	is raemo bood?	00:59
NeoStrider	got a idea	00:59
NeoStrider	scratchbox	00:59
_Monkey	somebody said scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together	00:59
NeoStrider	let me test under SDK_PC	00:59
celesteh_rules	heh, i just assumed you were in scratchbox . . .	00:59
NeoStrider	I was testing on the device	01:00
NeoStrider	i just use sbox for building the binary	01:00
NeoStrider	I even build the package manually	01:00
celesteh_rules	that's cool. alas, i am sboxless since i use OS X	01:01
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DaniloCesar	SB doesn't works ok with Ubuntu64bit....	01:02
NeoStrider	ubuntu 32bit \o	01:03
DaniloCesar	So I need to emulate a VirtualMachine of a INdT's Ubuntu32bit to run SB....	01:04
DaniloCesar	By the way, VirtualBox is very good to do this job! =)	01:04
celesteh_rules	does virtualbox work on OS X?	01:05
celesteh_rules	hm, intel only, fair enough	01:05
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NeoStrider	that VMWare image?	01:07
celesteh_rules	hahaha, i can only access my intel mac through VNC. There's something funny about doing remote virtual. i need something separating me even further. ;)	01:07
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DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, what?	01:08
NeoStrider	thats why I love my ia32 ubuntu...simples are very simple	01:08
NeoStrider	forget =-)	01:09
NeoStrider	as vezes me embolo	01:09
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DaniloCesar	Lol =)	01:10
DaniloCesar	Me too	01:10
DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, You said that you use raemo, right? Is it good? Is it helpful?	01:11
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NeoStrider	no no	01:12
NeoStrider	I dont	01:12
NeoStrider	I dont have internet connectivity on the device	01:12
NeoStrider	but it looks good	01:12
celesteh_rules	i have virtualbox (yay!) where do i find a VM of scratchbox?	01:13
DaniloCesar	yes.... But I was thinking.. I dev my apps direct on device with sshfs.... And I think that is the same result..	01:13
DaniloCesar	celesteh_rules, wait...	01:13
NeoStrider	yeah... I guess	01:14
DaniloCesar	celesteh_rules, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware/	01:14
celesteh_rules	awesome	01:14
DaniloCesar	celesteh_rules, I will recommend you somethings... Install vbox-addons in your guest machine, and mount (editing your /etc/fstab) your folders on your VM...	01:16
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celesteh_rules	thanks for the tips	01:17
celesteh_rules	it's late in my time zone	01:18
celesteh_rules	and i must go to sleep or fall asleep with my face on the keyboard	01:18
DaniloCesar	lol...	01:18
celesteh_rules	goodnight!	01:18
NeoStrider	ok	01:18
NeoStrider	happened on the sbox too!	01:18
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DaniloCesar	NeoStrider, The same error happens on SB?	01:19
NeoStrider	DaniloCesar: yes	01:19
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pupnik	bon appetit	01:29
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NeoStrider	angstron?	01:47
_Monkey	angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/	01:47
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erstazi	hello anderson_s	02:10
erstazi	hello Andy80	02:10
Andy80	hi	02:10
_Monkey	que tal, Andy80	02:10
NeoStrider	hello erstazi	02:10
erstazi	hello NeoStrider	02:11
NeoStrider	hello Andy80	02:11
NeoStrider	hello anderson_s	02:11
erstazi	NeoStrider: how have things been going?	02:11
NeoStrider	erstazi: trying to make AngsTRON stabler..specially on N800	02:11
erstazi	NeoStrider: I am not familiar with AngsTRON, is it a game?	02:12
NeoStrider	yes	02:12
NeoStrider	angstron?	02:12
_Monkey	angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/	02:12
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erstazi	NeoStrider: looking (:	02:14
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erstazi	NeoStrider: sehr gut	02:16
NeoStrider	danke!	02:17
NeoStrider	I do my best	02:17
NeoStrider	but its not that fast yet	02:17
erstazi	NeoStrider: will this work on OS2006?	02:18
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NeoStrider	sure...thats my main target	02:18
NeoStrider	indeed im having some issues with OS2007	02:19
erstazi	NeoStrider: ah	02:21
erstazi	will try it	02:21
NeoStrider	good	02:21
NeoStrider	try it from the xterminal	02:21
NeoStrider	running from the icon is quite unstable	02:21
erstazi	NeoStrider: ok	02:22
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erstazi	I love to scp all day	02:24
NeoStrider	scp?	02:24
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erstazi	yeah	02:25
erstazi	secure copy, part of ssh	02:25
NeoStrider	_Monkey: scp is secure copy, part of ssh	02:25
_Monkey	OK, NeoStrider.	02:25
erstazi	NeoStrider: one question	02:25
NeoStrider	yup	02:26
erstazi	NeoStrider: how is it that the deb package is 2mb and the install is only 0.3mb?	02:26
NeoStrider	data files	02:26
NeoStrider	the binary is only 0.3, but the data files are ~2mb	02:26
NeoStrider	but this deb is hacked	02:26
NeoStrider	I added the data files after creating the .deb	02:27
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NeoStrider	so the declared size must be 0.3 and the checksum must be set acordingly	02:27
sbz	_Monkey: ruby-hildon?	02:29
_Monkey	bugger all, i dunno, sbz	02:29
sbz	hi, every body can learn to _Monkey ?	02:29
NeoStrider	yes	02:30
NeoStrider	_Monkey: ruby-hildon is not rubbish	02:30
_Monkey	OK, NeoStrider.	02:30
NeoStrider	ruby-hildon?	02:30
_Monkey	i think ruby-hildon is not rubbish	02:30
sbz	_Monkey: ruby-hildon is port of hildon bindings in ruby language is also http://alterego.freeshell.org/projects/ruby-maemo/	02:31
_Monkey	...but ruby-hildon is not rubbish...	02:31
NeoStrider	_Monkey: forget ruby-hildon	02:32
_Monkey	NeoStrider: I forgot ruby-hildon	02:32
pupnik	sbz - tell it to forget ruby-hildon, then reset the hint	02:32
NeoStrider	try again	02:32
NeoStrider	anyone knows a good source of information about programming with unix pipes?	02:33
NeoStrider	from a C/C++ app	02:33
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sbz	NeoStrider: sure, beej guide is the best for that http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/ipc/	02:34
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NeoStrider	beej's guide to networking rocks!	02:35
sbz	ipc too :)	02:35
erstazi	_Monkey: forget scp	02:35
_Monkey	erstazi: I forgot scp	02:35
erstazi	_Monkey: forget SCP	02:35
_Monkey	erstazi, I didn't have anything matching scp	02:35
erstazi	SCP is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)	02:35
NeoStrider	try saying	02:36
NeoStrider	_Monkey: SCP is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)	02:36
_Monkey	OK, NeoStrider.	02:36
sbz	it come from BSD project called openssh :)	02:36
NeoStrider	scp?	02:36
_Monkey	scp is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)	02:36
NeoStrider	Im a _Monkey übber master! muahahahahahah!	02:37
sbz	_Monkey: ruby-hildon is port of hildon bindings in ruby language is also http://alterego.freeshell.org/projects/ruby-maemo/	02:37
_Monkey	OK, sbz.	02:37
sbz	_Monkey really looks like to bot "purl", is it perlish ?	02:38
_Monkey	i haven't a clue, sbz	02:38
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erstazi	sbz: I believe so	02:42
pupnik	hm was just going to ask Neo something	02:44
erstazi	pupnik: quicker than rice	02:44
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pupnik	been playing with gltron and mesa lately - pretty well done tronlike game in 3d	02:45
erstazi	sbz: scp is similar to the BSD rcp protocol	02:45
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erstazi	rcp does not encrypt, but technically neither does scp, scp just uses ssh for that	02:46
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erstazi	hi setite	02:46
pupnik	is there rcp for maemo?	02:46
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NeoStrider	im back	02:59
NeoStrider	erstazi: did you tried my game already?	02:59
erstazi	NeoStrider: not yet	03:02
erstazi	NeoStrider: loaded it	03:03
erstazi	btw, wb NeoStrider	03:03
NeoStrider	wb?	03:03
erstazi	Welcome Back	03:04
NeoStrider	ahh	03:04
NeoStrider	thx	03:04
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erstazi	NeoStrider: nice! I have planned something like this years ago	03:06
erstazi	I have no clue what the name is called	03:07
NeoStrider	the game?	03:07
_Monkey	the game is, like, very funny	03:07
erstazi	_Monkey: forget the game	03:07
_Monkey	erstazi: I forgot game	03:07
erstazi	NeoStrider: yes	03:07
erstazi	s/planned/played/	03:07
pupnik	NeoStrider: you know gltron and armagetronad ?	03:07
NeoStrider	sure!	03:08
NeoStrider	they were the inspiration!	03:08
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pupnik	Ok.. just checking	03:09
NeoStrider	take a look:	03:09
NeoStrider	http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/angstron-your-favorite-tron-game-for-maemo-or-the-first-game-using-bzk/	03:09
erstazi	pupnik: ah thats it!	03:09
MCCob	hello,	03:09
_Monkey	hello, is probably there any flash player yet for IT2006/2007 (ARM arch)?	03:09
erstazi	hello MCCob	03:09
NeoStrider	angstron came from a challenge from toughtfix	03:09
NeoStrider	hello MCCob	03:09
MCCob	Anyone have a valid repository or dev file for tapioca ?	03:09
erstazi	_Monkey: forget hello,	03:09
_Monkey	erstazi: I forgot hello,	03:09
MCCob	*deb file	03:09
pupnik	http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php	03:10
pupnik	MCCob: you can search there	03:10
MCCob	0 Repos for N770 ;)	03:10
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trevarthan	hey, does anyone here have a working hildon desktop example?	03:21
trevarthan	hildon desktop is a way to make desktop applets using python. i.e. http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/	03:22
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setite	anyoen use vnc successfully?	03:27
setite	i think perhaps its having trouble due to my resolution	03:28
setite	because it tkaes like 5 mins to load one capture then disconnects	03:28
MCCob	yesss	03:29
MCCob	I use VNC with no problem	03:29
setite	speaking of repos	03:29
setite	anyone wanna share their working sources.list	03:29
MCCob	and throught SSH tunnel sometimes	03:29
MCCob	yeah	03:29
setite	mine keeps giving me those damned errors even after disabling almost everything	03:30
setite	ssh tunnel... thats cli?	03:30
MCCob	for with Maemo ?	03:30
setite	well i want as many repos as possible... but weeding out the errors is hard	03:30
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MCCob	SSH tunnel is a tunnnel thought SSH connection to a routeur or any other Linux/unix	03:30
MCCob	Nokia 770 or 800 ?	03:31
MCCob	source.list is for N 770 or 800 ?	03:31
setite	800	03:32
MCCob	ok, I have 770...	03:32
setite	yea i saw that	03:32
setite	is there a good file manager	03:32
setite	or a hack to make the current one show the /etc and all that fun shit	03:32
florian	setite: There is a port of gpe-filemanager, that will show /etc :-)	03:33
MCCob	maybe GPE Filemanager	03:33
MCCob	:)	03:33
MCCob	http://downloads.maemo.org/product/gpe-filemanager/	03:33
florian	:)	03:33
florian	good night	03:34
erstazi	MCCob: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list	03:34
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MCCob	Yes erstazi ?	03:34
_Monkey	i think erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention	03:34
erstazi	MCCob: I think thats a sufficient one, unless someone has more to add to it	03:34
erstazi	MCCob: that sources.list is for OS2006 (nokia 770)	03:34
MCCob	for tapioca ?	03:34
MCCob	I don't need source.list me it's setite ;)	03:35
erstazi	MCCob: hmmm it might be there, check the comments in it	03:35
MCCob	ok	03:35
erstazi	MCCob: I know, but it might be there	03:35
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MCCob	yes, there is repository for tapioca but there is no longuer tapioca on this repository... or domain name no longuer resond. So I've sent an email to a tapica developper	03:38
MCCob	Tapioca must be a good google talk client	03:39
erstazi	MCCob: hmm, that is becoming common place	03:40
erstazi	I think people are cleaning out	03:40
trevarthan	so..... I guess hildon desktop isn't available in the current firmware either. I thought it would be, but it doesn't seem to be.	03:40
erstazi	MCCob: have you tried google archive?	03:40
setite	my connection to my phone keeps breaking lately.. any ideas?	03:41
MCCob	yes erstazi	03:42
_Monkey	rumour has it erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention	03:42
erstazi	_Monkey: forget erstazi	03:45
_Monkey	erstazi: I forgot erstazi	03:45
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MCCob	good night	03:47
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pupnik	we could also use a GM MIDI player for the DSP	04:41
pupnik	OGG, MOD, MIDI would pretty much take care of the music situation	04:42
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pupnik	OPL2 synth would be nice too, but most games that drive it (adlib) will do just fine with General MIDI as well	04:45
pupnik	which can provide better sound quality at equal or lower cpu use	04:45
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edt	the plankton theme is messed up here with the new fmradio version & a reboot the applet uses the default theme.	05:27
edt	other themes work ok though...	05:27
edt	I have tried reinstall plankton with no joy	05:28
edt	ideas?	05:28
pupnik	does the problem happen with other applets?	05:31
edt	no	05:31
edt	they are fine	05:31
pupnik	that is indeed confusing. feedback to the fmradio maintainer	05:31
edt	and fmradio changes with builtin themes	05:32
pupnik	perhaps the problem lies with plankton though	05:32
edt	yes	05:32
pupnik	see if plankton is missing some files	05:33
edt	the symptoms do look like it might. I have reinstall it twice - should be ok file wise	05:34
pupnik	you know how to use ls and diff to see which files are missing?	05:35
pupnik	ls -1 /path/to/working/theme > goodfiles.txt	05:36
pupnik	ls -1 /path/to/plankton/theme > badfiles.txt	05:36
pupnik	diff goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt	05:36
pupnik	something like that for e.g.	05:36
edt	what is the path?	05:37
pupnik	offhand don't remember - /usr/share/something	05:38
edt	and what .deb for diff?	05:39
pupnik	diff isn't on the device?	05:45
pupnik	if not then maybe cat goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt \|sort	05:46
pupnik	which will show files contained in both as appearing twice	05:46
pupnik	or copy the txtfiles to a linux computer and do the diff	05:47
pupnik	might want to sort them before doing the diff too, not sure if that's needed	05:48
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edt	diff can be smart at times... if I seem to rember kde has some tools that should let me find if files are missing	05:52
edt	s/if I/if not, I/	05:52
infobot	edt meant: diff can be smart at times... if not, I seem to rember kde has some tools that should let me find if files are missing	05:52
edt	will have to wait till tomorrow though	05:54
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* pupnik points		08:19
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* pupnik wants to port a general midi player to the dsp		09:37
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:34
pupnik	"Life end when you die. But imagination share with others, live forever." - Quan, Final Fantasy IX	10:34
pupnik	morning	10:35
_Monkey	aloha	10:35
* Jaffa is at No Fluff, Just Stuff in London. Loads of MacBooks, no other N800s :-(o		10:36
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pupnik	Neat :) For work or play?	10:36
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Jaffa	Work :-)	10:38
Jaffa	Lots of people talking about Groovy/Grails, which is very cool. Not sure we'll be able to use it at work though, we've only just convinced them to switch everything to the Java platform.	10:39
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Jaffa	Yesterday my N800 was connected to the free wi-fi all day, with an IM and SSH session open (omostly in soft power-off, admittedly) and the battery was still on 4 bars when I got home.	10:40
Jaffa	Of course, it'd've probably dropped to 0 very quickly when it did start moving.	10:40
pupnik	yeah the power saving is fantastic - i did irc/surfing for many hours on lowest brightness (7+)	10:41
pupnik	770	10:41
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pupnik	whenever i see Jaffa i think of Ween - Joppa Road - http://www.mp3lyrics.org/w/ween/joppa-road/	10:52
* Jaffa 's not heard that one before.		10:53
pupnik	ween was two guys who recorded stuff on a 4-track tape around 1991 and got signed by Sony - who released their 4-track stuff on CD	10:57
pupnik	strange stuff	10:57
pupnik	Is lardman correct that the mic-in / AD converter is only 8-bit? would be nice if the headphone jack could be used for a better microphone input as well	10:58
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timeless	pupnik: don't forget to sort ls output	11:15
timeless	note: you can usually do: sort\|uniq -c\|sort	11:16
timeless	or something like that	11:16
timeless	actually sort\|uniq -u is what you want	11:17
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pupnik	he was trying to compare two directories to see if a theme had missing files - for that sort -u would have been -useless	11:20
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AD-N770	good morning	11:33
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pupnik	hi AD-N770! Do you want to build a SoundBlaster emulator to run on the DSP?	11:36
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nigelr	is anyone here working on getting vorbis decoding working through the DSP?	11:38
AD-N770	pupnik: currently I'm very busy at work and at home, it's really hard find time for personal projects	11:38
nigelr	on the 770?	11:38
_Monkey	i guess on the 770 is jerky	11:38
pupnik	hehe i understand. Sorry to be annoying - it would be fun and cool for dosbox though	11:38
pupnik	SB on DSP + dynamic recompilation of X86-ARM could really speed up dosbox	11:39
AD-N770	good news at my home, we are waiting for a baby	11:39
pupnik	congratulations! :)	11:39
timeless	_monkey forget on the 770	11:39
_Monkey	timeless: I forgot on the 770	11:39
timeless	_monkey on the 770 is <reply>	11:39
_Monkey	OK, timeless.	11:39
AD-N770	that means a lot of changes in my family life :)	11:40
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pupnik	and IRC life	11:40
* pupnik removes his hat		11:40
AD-N770	yes all computer related lifes will be affected too :)	11:40
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florian	good morning	11:58
pupnik	bon matin	12:10
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guardian	can you lookup your n800 device by hostname ???	12:22
guardian	on a lan network when ip is gotten from dhcp ?	12:22
pupnik	just add the n800 address to /etc/hosts or the hosts file on windows	12:22
pupnik	for example echo "192.168.0.3 nokia" >> /etc/hosts	12:23
guardian	http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/10436/focus=10490	12:23
guardian	i onced asked on the mailing list	12:23
guardian	setting the bluetooth name used to work	12:24
guardian	but it's not working anymore since the last os update	12:24
jani	guardian: some dhcp clients can send name updates to the dns server but dns server in your network should support that.	12:25
guardian	it does since it used to work :)	12:26
guardian	in fact the n800 is the only computer on the lan that has no hostname associated with the ip in the dhcp	12:26
pupnik	i wonder what year they added that to dhcp	12:26
`0660	it sounds pretty insecure :)	12:28
`0660	anyone could pretend to be a certain device	12:28
jani	pupnuk: rfc 2136 might be the answer ..	12:29
guardian	insecure ?	12:29
guardian	i just want convenience	12:29
guardian	on a private lan	12:29
ysss__	ah yes.. the age of innocence.. when they're old enough not to know any better, being insecure is part of the growing process..	12:29
jani	or not.	12:30
guardian	what's wrong with publishing the hostname to dhcp ?	12:31
jani	actually, i think it might be the dhcp server which does the update to dns ..	12:31
jani	and not the client ..	12:31
pupnik	hmm 1997...	12:31
jani	guardian: can you check your leases file, does it contain any name for n800 lease ?	12:32
guardian	well if the up script does not call udpchp with the -H option no hostname is passed so the dhcp does not forward that to dns	12:32
jani	yep	12:32
guardian	jani: there is a blank entry for the n800 device	12:32
guardian	for the corresponding ip	12:32
guardian	i'm reading again /etc/udhcpc scripts	12:33
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lardman	bonjour	12:41
_Monkey	niihau, lardman	12:41
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pupnik	i dunno man, for a home network, /etc/hosts works reel guud.	12:41
lardman	I'm going to have to perform endianness swapping for pretty much all the data I'm using - i.e. buffer pointers, etc.	12:42
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lardman	I wonder if there's some way around it... I can't think of one though	12:42
pupnik	did you discover that reading the documentation or looking at existing code lardman?	12:43
lardman	I had thought my wonderful circular buffer code was complete, and then it dawned on me that the DSP and ARM use different endiannesses	12:44
pupnik	heh :/	12:44
lardman	It's in the DSP docs, definitely bigendian	12:44
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kulve	lardman: I cleaned up a bit the maemo.org wiki on dspprogramming..	12:46
guardian	what would be the script that calls udhcpc the first time ?	12:46
lardman	kulve: Great	12:46
lardman	I was thinking that we should add a section on debugging	12:46
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kulve	yeah	12:47
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latzko	hi all	12:58
latzko	where I can find the maemo_af_desktop debug messages on tablet? my applet freezes only on tablet...	12:59
pupnik	how do you get errors on the desktop (sb)?	13:00
latzko	after af-sb-init.sh start it logs on the same shell	13:01
pupnik	maybe you can look where maemo_af_desktop gets started (in /etc/init.d ?) and ad add a > /home/user/tmp.txt or 2> ... to the invocation?	13:02
latzko	tnx	13:02
* Jaffa belatedly congrats AD-770		13:02
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jani	latzko: did you check /dev/xconsole ?	13:11
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latzko	no actually	13:12
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jani	so just cat /dev/xconsole .. it keeps some history too so you might be able to see it even thou errors have allready happened.	13:14
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latzko	jani, no such file here	13:18
jani	ok, maybe its r&d feature.	13:19
latzko	I see	13:20
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latzko	thanks	13:20
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latzko	i googled but find nothing about installing xconsole on n800	13:30
jani	what i meant, xconsole might be a feature that we have in our internal releases.	13:32
latzko	I c	13:32
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latzko	should I safely run ./flasher-2.0 --enable-rd-mode ?	13:34
latzko	or is it not enough?	13:35
lardman	Vorbis people, is the vf struct a mix of vorbis and ogg or just ogg? I'd like to separate out the ogg reading so I can send individual packets	13:35
lardman	latzko: That should switch to r&d mode, yes	13:36
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lardman	hmm, I suppose it has to be a mix as otherwise there's no way of knowing the packet size...	13:38
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lardman	ogg_stream_packetout, just what I'm after	13:40
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AD-N770	lardman: look at arm6 assembly instructions: REV, REV16 and REVSH to deal on endianess at ARM side	13:47
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lardman	AD-N770: Thanks, will give them a look	13:49
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pupnik	why do so many users join #maemo but never chat?	13:55
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kulve	because nobody could read that flood ;)	13:55
pupnik	hmm. there's no need to log it	13:56
lardman	it's the little gems of wisdom that the logging is good for	14:01
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lardman	it's so annoying how long it takes looking at some code to become famililar with it	14:08
latzko	well, I am in r&d mode now but there is no /dev/xconsole either	14:09
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jani	"xconsole might be a feature that we have in our internal releases. " <- emphasis on "in our internal release" =)	14:10
jani	sorry if i mislead you.	14:10
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latzko	ok, np, tnx	14:11
lardman	you need to run the xconsole binary according to google	14:11
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latzko	I cant find it. sorry for disturbing you but now I have minimal time to fix my stuff	14:14
lardman	I'd try pupnik's suggestion then	14:15
latzko	is there any other way to find out why my home applet crash? it works perfectly in sbox, x86 target	14:16
pupnik	there's also a redirect for stdout+stderr but i keep forgetting it - something like 1&2> out.txt	14:16
lardman	&> iirc	14:17
pupnik	you're right!	14:18
pupnik	http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html	14:18
pupnik	btw #bash on freenode is a good place to get "bashed" for asking silly rtfm questions about bash :)	14:20
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test__	hi, I m newbie , if anybody have time please tell me how can i install glibc 2.4 in scratchbox	14:26
lardman	test__: why do you want to do that?	14:30
test__	i installed libjpeg to compress image size	14:31
test__	but when i go to use djpeg then it show me GLIBc 2.4 not found error for that	14:32
latzko	well, I know how to redirect but dunno what :) redirecitng af-startup does not gave me much info	14:32
lardman	test__: You installed it from the wrong place then	14:33
lardman	test__: My N800 running the latest flash image is using libc 2.3.6	14:33
lardman	test__: surely libjpeg comes pre-installed?	14:34
test__	no	14:34
lardman	[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/lib/jpeg	14:35
lardman	/usr/lib/libjpeg.a /usr/lib/libjpeg.la /usr/lib/libjpeg.so /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0	14:35
test__	ya i got this prob	14:35
test__	actually i m newbie please help me	14:36
lardman	What do you want? libjpeg should already be installed	14:37
lardman	what do you want to do with libjpeg?	14:37
test__	i want to convert a jpeg image to ppm format in target	14:38
pupnik	your host system can also read/write to/from directories within scratchbox	14:39
test__	ya	14:40
pupnik	so you could use the pnm/pbm tools from the host OS	14:41
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pupnik	or-- cjpeg rather	14:41
lardman	or grab this tarball http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz, run configure, then (probably) make cjpeg	14:42
latzko	well, I know how but I dont know what to redirect. rtfm is good if there is a fucking manual about that....	14:42
lardman	latzko: Was there no output?	14:43
lardman	latzko: I guess you've removed any &>/dev/null statements in that script too?	14:43
test__	http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz not found	14:43
pupnik	latzko: are you sure you're not trying to cut-down a tree blocking your way instead of walking around it?	14:44
latzko	minimal , script echo output like starting things and like that	14:44
lardman	http://ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz	14:44
lardman	my apologies	14:44
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test__	no need to be apologies	14:45
lardman	latzko: I fear your question is more one for the Nokia chaps as they know what actually tries to start the applets and where any output would go	14:45
pupnik	s/latzko/test__/	14:45
infobot	pupnik meant: test__: are you sure you're not trying to cut-down a tree blocking your way instead of walking around it?	14:45
latzko	I see	14:45
test__	no, i don't think so. realy i need help	14:46
pupnik	test__: if i need to convert a wav to mp3, i don't do it in scratchbox	14:46
lardman	test__: Download and use this: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/cjpeg	14:49
pupnik	nice	14:49
lardman	test__: It took me a total of 30s to download and compile and upload	14:49
test__	i have that one	14:50
test__	also Djpeg	14:50
lardman	yeah, but this one is linked against the right version of glibc	14:50
test__	ya	14:50
test__	this is my main prob	14:51
lardman	download the one I just gave the url for and try it	14:51
pupnik	test__: follow lardman's instructions :)	14:51
test__	ya i m following him	14:51
lardman	does it work?	14:52
test__	ya , ./cjpeg [switches] -outfile jpegfile imagefile. but outside of target	14:54
lardman	?	14:55
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lardman	The file I compiled will only run on ARMEL	14:55
lardman	What target are you trying to use?	14:56
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pupnik	this situation is a waste of your talents :)	14:57
* pupnik ducks		14:57
lardman	I like the feeling of satisfaction when a problem is solved :)	14:58
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lardman	test__: Does it work?	15:00
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sujan	i made a deb but after installing it was not showing in the menu of the scratchbox	15:05
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lardman	~lart whoever indented vorbisfile.c	15:06
* infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, whoever indented vorbisfile.c, this won't hurt a bit...."		15:06
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`0660	anderson_s_away, are you trying to say that you are not on your computer?	15:09
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sp3000	good to know	15:10
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`0660	i missed you already	15:11
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lardman	that's getting annoying now	15:12
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gla55_	yeah	15:12
anderson_s	sorry. I was testing a plugin, and didn't mean to hit all the servers...	15:12
`0660	try disabling that plugin	15:12
gla55_	is back messages get annoying	15:12
`0660	it's of no use	15:12
anderson_s	plugin unpluged.. shouldn't be happening nay more	15:12
gla55_	might seem fun and games for a week	15:12
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lardman	I wonder if vorbisfile.c was attacked by a random indentation script	15:14
lardman	or if it's done on purpose to make the code look more complicated	15:15
`0660	heh, indentation scripts don't even need to be random to produce ugly code :)	15:16
lardman	I thought it'd be easy enough to sort out by hand, but spent the last 10min looking to see why I had an extra in the "wrong" place }	15:17
lardman	extra } that should be	15:17
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`0660	:)	15:18
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pupnik	i haven't used 'lint' before, but it's supposed to indent automagically	15:19
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lardman	the MATLAB editor will automatically sort out an file for you - nice	15:20
lardman	I should find a better editor than gedit	15:20
test__	lardman__ Thanks	15:20
lardman	test__: It worked then?	15:20
test__	But i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set	15:21
test__	"	15:21
test__	this error	15:21
lardman	you've not setup scratchbox correctly then	15:21
lardman	I don't know how to fix that, look at the tutorial/docs you followed when you first set it up	15:21
test__	will i run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start"	15:22
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pupnik	you also get that error when running an armel binary in a 386 target, iirc	15:26
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test__	i got this prob"cjpeg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg)	15:44
test__	"	15:44
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test__	please any body help me	15:44
lardman	with my version of cjpeg?	15:45
test__	no i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set"	15:46
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test__	this prob with this version	15:46
lardman	well that's not the fault of the binary, it's your scratchbox setup	15:46
test__	of course my fault	15:46
lardman	are you trying to run in ARMEL or x86 mode?	15:46
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pupnik_	the 386 cjpeg was copied in from a more modern linux host, and he's trying to run the armel cjpeg in a 386 target	15:47
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lardman	ah	15:47
test__	actually i install cJpeg in target-86	15:47
test__	installed	15:47
lardman	why do you want cjpeg for a 386 target?	15:47
test__	here all of our team member usually work at [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >	15:48
test__	and me also	15:48
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test__	and i need djpeg also	15:49
lardman	did you install libjpeg or just grab the cjpeg/djpeg binaries?	15:50
lardman	because you'll need to uninstall them as they are linked against the wrong version of libc	15:50
lardman	then download the tarball	15:50
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lardman	cd into the directory that's created when you uncompress it	15:50
lardman	run: ./configure && make cjpeg && make djpeg	15:51
lardman	and copy the cjpeg and djpeg binaries somewhere like /usr/bin	15:51
test__	in time of inatallation i wrote /scratchbox/...../terget 86 in configuration file	15:52
test__	and the ./configure---make	15:52
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lardman	I don't understand. You've already built c/djpeg then?	15:53
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test__	ac_default_prefix=/scratchbox/users/opy/targets/SDK_X86	15:54
test__	then!!!!	15:54
_Monkey	then is not free software, it is not GNU/linux embedded, i refuse to use a phone that has not GNU/linux	15:54
lardman	I'd ignore that completely, just run configure without arguments	15:55
lardman	oh dear, you're not trying to compile outside of scratchbox are you?	15:55
test__	[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > cjpeg -quality 10 -outfile TTT.jpg Djpeg1.ppm	15:55
test__	cjpeg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg)	15:55
lardman	where did that version of cjpeg come from? From a deb, a binary you compiled somewhere?	15:56
test__	from here "jpeg-6b"	15:56
lardman	you compiled it?	15:56
test__	ya	15:57
lardman	but you compiled it outside of scratchbox didn't you?	15:57
lardman	you'd not started scratchbox (/scratchbox/login) and were not running it when you compiled	15:57
lardman	?	15:57
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test__	no	15:58
test__	scratchbox was not logged in	15:58
lardman	go to the code you used to compile it originally, run "make uninstall" to remove whatever it tried to install	15:58
test__	ok	15:58
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lardman	then login to scratchbox, download the code again and run configure (no argumnets) and make djpeg, etc.	15:59
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lardman	I don;t know if you'll have overwritten the scratchbox version of libjpeg, hopefully not, but you may need to reinstall it (dpkg-install ? anyone?)	15:59
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test__	lardman:::dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libjpeg62-dev:	16:04
test__	libjpeg62-dev depends on libjpeg62 (= 6b-13); however:	16:04
test__	Version of libjpeg62 on system is 6b-9osso4.	16:04
test__	dpkg: error processing libjpeg62-dev (--install):	16:04
test__	dependency problems - leaving unconfigured	16:04
test__	Errors were encountered while processing:	16:04
test__	libjpeg62-dev	16:04
lardman	pastebin	16:04
test__	i got this prob	16:04
_Monkey	i heard pastebin was slow.....	16:04
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lardman	what were you trying to do?	16:04
test__	fakeroot dpkg -i libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb	16:04
lardman	no no no!	16:04
test__	then	16:05
test__	?	16:05
lardman	let it choose where it gets the deb from	16:05
lardman	the repository should already be setup	16:05
test__	ok	16:05
lardman	are you missing the libjpeg* files?	16:05
lardman	is there any point in installing them?	16:06
test__	again i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb	16:06
test__	Reading Package Lists... Done	16:06
test__	Building Dependency Tree... Done	16:06
test__	E: Couldn't find package libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb	16:06
test__	"	16:06
lardman	inside scratchbox (ie. after you've logged in) see if "ls /usr/lib/jpeg" shows anything)	16:06
lardman	test__: Use pastbin.com for large amounts of text.	16:06
lardman	pastebin.com even	16:07
test__	ls: /usr/lib/*jpeg: No such file or directory	16:07
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lardman	ok, so you did screw it up, fair enough	16:07
lardman	it will think that libjpeg is still installed	16:07
lardman	you may need to force the install, not sure how	16:08
test__	ok	16:08
lardman	try: "fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg"	16:08
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test__	i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg	16:08
test__	Reading Package Lists... Done	16:08
test__	Building Dependency Tree... Done	16:08
test__	E: Couldn't find package libjpeg	16:08
test__	"	16:08
lardman	Can someone else chip in here? I know nothing about apt-get	16:09
test__	here is now 7.12 pm	16:10
lardman	test__: Ah, perhaps it's called "jpeg" rather than "libjpeg"	16:10
test__	no its not	16:11
cosmo	lardman: apt-cache search jpeg	16:12
lardman	cosmo: Thanks	16:12
lardman	test__: try that	16:12
test__	ya	16:12
test__	i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > apt-cache search jpeg	16:13
test__	libjpeg62 - The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library	16:13
test__	libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library	16:13
test__	"	16:13
lardman	fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg62-dev	16:13
test__	i need libjpeg62-de	16:13
test__	i got Reading Package Lists... Done	16:14
test__	Building Dependency Tree... Done	16:14
test__	libjpeg62-dev is already the newest version.	16:14
test__	You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:	16:14
test__	The following packages have unmet dependencies:	16:14
test__	libjpeg62-dev: Depends: libjpeg62 (= 6b-13) but 6b-9osso4 is to be installed	16:14
test__	E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).	16:14
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test__	i tried -f	16:14
lardman	did you install libjpeg62-dev from elsewhere?	16:14
lardman	you might want to remove that first as it's not a maemo version	16:15
test__	ya , by clicking outside of scratch box	16:15
test__	on the package	16:15
lardman	that's not related	16:15
lardman	you must have tried installing it inside scratchjbox too	16:15
test__	ya	16:16
test__	but can't	16:16
lardman	so apt-get remove it	16:16
test__	ok	16:16
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test__	i got it "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get -f remove libjpeg62-dev	16:17
test__	Reading Package Lists... Done	16:17
test__	Building Dependency Tree... Done	16:17
test__	You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:	16:17
test__	The following packages have unmet dependencies:	16:17
test__	libmatchbox-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed	16:17
test__	osso-af-base-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed	16:17
_Monkey	i already had it that way, test__.	16:17
test__	E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).	16:17
test__	[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get remove libjpeg62-dev	16:17
test__	Reading Package Lists... Done	16:17
test__	Building Dependency Tree... Done	16:17
lardman	okay	16:17
test__	You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:	16:17
lardman	stop	16:17
test__	The following packages have unmet dependencies:	16:17
lardman	use pastebin!	16:17
test__	libmatchbox-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed	16:17
_Monkey	i already had it that way, test__.	16:17
test__	osso-af-base-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed	16:17
_Monkey	i already had it that way, test__.	16:17
test__	E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).	16:17
test__	"	16:17
lardman	Use pastebin next time please	16:17
lardman	~pastebin	16:18
infobot	i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well	16:18
test__	ok thanks alot lardman	16:18
test__	thank you very much for helping me	16:18
lardman	test__: Your apt thinks you have the packages installed, unfortuntely the actual binaries have been removed	16:18
lardman	test__: I don;t know if there;s some kind of overwrite flag on apt-get	16:19
lardman	test__: but you somehow need to get the maemo versions of libjpeg and -dev installed	16:19
lardman	I've no idea how to do this	16:19
test__	you spent a lot of time , thanks for that	16:20
test__	i will try	16:20
lardman	np, good luck	16:20
test__	sure	16:20
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lardman	derf: Are you about?	16:32
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lardman	or anyone else with knowledge of vorbis internals?	16:35
derf	lardman: Yes.	16:35
lardman	can I pick your brain please?	16:35
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lardman	vf->ready_state to be exact, and whether there's some documentation on the meanings of the various values somewhere?	16:36
lardman	I'm guessing that INITSET is the last step, i.e. everything is setup, but am wondering what the difference is between that and STREAMSET?	16:37
lardman	and OPENED for that matter	16:38
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derf	STREAMSET means it has initialized the comment and info structures (and thus needs to clear them at some point).	16:43
lardman	okay	16:43
derf	LINKSET means it's done that for the current link in a chained file.	16:44
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derf	(if you're STREAMSET, but not LINKSET, then you need to clear the existing header info, find the headers for the current link, and then initialize those)	16:44
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lardman	okay	16:45
lardman	and INITSET vs OPENED?	16:45
derf	And then INITSET is LINKSET plus it has initialized a decoder.	16:45
lardman	to go from OPENED to INITSET it needs to read in the header from the looks of it	16:46
* CardinalFang is thrilled to see "maemo" and "Vorbis" on the same screen. "Please say whatever you're making is for the 770. Ohpleaseohplease."		16:46
lardman	Or perhaps that's the other way, it falls back to OPENED	16:46
lardman	CardinalFang: N800 in the first instance	16:47
CardinalFang	Dang.	16:47
lardman	CardinalFang: But the code is generic, just that I could never get the DSP to behave on the 770	16:47
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CardinalFang	That's where the action is, for a nicely-behaving decoder, yes? The DSP?	16:48
lardman	It's a little project of mine	16:48
lardman	derf: The header is 3 pages long. Is that always the case?	16:49
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* lardman wades through vorbisfile.c		16:49
lardman	ah 3 packets long	16:49
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derf	lardman: Anyway, in general, the only documentation of the code is the source.	16:56
derf	We always tell people, "Feel free to write some, we'll accept patches," but no one ever does.	16:57
lardman	That's fair enough, I was just after a pointer	16:58
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lardman	and you've given me one	16:58
lardman	I'm trying to work out how to separate out the ogg page -> packet decoding to the ARM side, so I can send single packets to the DSP side for decoding	16:59
lardman	it's not helped by the multitude of places where new packets are read from	17:00
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Tu13es	anyone know anything about the webkit browser for the n800?	17:09
gla55_	no, but i'm mildly intrested	17:10
Andy80	anyone knows if we could have a STABLE browser on 770 one day :) ?	17:11
gla55_	dunno, the default is quite stable compared to webkit on s60	17:11
gla55_	:)	17:11
Andy80	opera on my N73 doesn't crash so often ;)	17:12
Andy80	or better... never crashed to me	17:12
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gla55_	yeah s60 opera has become quite good	17:17
gla55_	and opera mini too..	17:17
gla55_	much more better in the memory management side	17:17
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lardman	do they have the same funcitonality as microb?	17:29
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kulve	lardman: did you notice that some body asked about "DSP/ARM shared memory test on N800" on dsp gw list	17:32
Andy80	microb is even more unstable than opera :(	17:32
lardman	No, I've not been following it lately	17:32
Andy80	(at least for me)	17:32
lardman	kulve: I'll take a look now	17:32
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lardman	odd the mailing list is so hard to find from the dsp gateway page	17:33
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timeless	ry?	17:34
timeless	andy?	17:34
timeless	do you have specific pages that crash the browser?	17:34
timeless	and if you disable flash, do you still have pages that crash the browser?	17:35
lardman	:) I didn't notice there was an existing shared memory test, oops, might have saved myself some work :D	17:35
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lardman	I'm surprised his code compiled, EXRAM doesn't exist iirc	17:36
lardman	ah, he's tried to create it, he should have used one of the pre-defined sections	17:36
kulve	lardman: I wrote some notes down about my experiments: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/08/31/speex-encoder-on-n800s-dsp/	17:37
lardman	kulve: Cool, I'll have a read of it in a bit	17:38
kulve	lardman: it's quite high level.. I'll need to write some details to the wiki	17:42
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AD-N770	kulve: I read a bit the C55 DSP manuals yesterday	17:58
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lardman	AD-N770: See anything exciting?	17:59
lardman	kulve: That chap who emailed to the dspgateway list was using the maemo wiki page, I wonder why he didn't email the list. Very odd.	18:00
AD-N770	kulve: about what you asked me for the math functions, I think that probably you will get better results on speed with a rewrite of some higher level functions	18:00
AD-N770	than just the simple math ones	18:01
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lardman	In vorbisfile.c, in the _fetch_and_process_packet() fn, can anyone see why the second while(1) loop is there?	18:03
lardman	afaict, it can never loop through more than once	18:04
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AD-N770	kulve: ping	18:30
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zeenix	AD-N770: he is a finn, must be out somewhere buzzing at this hour :)	18:32
AD-N770	zeenix: ok, thanks	18:33
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lardman	derf: The stream is very closely linked to the other parts of the overall vorbis engine	18:47
lardman	rather confusing trying to see if the packets (and therefore stream) could be broken away and left on the ARM	18:47
lardman	I have a feeling I'm on a hiding to nowhere here though	18:47
lardman	after feeling optimistic this morning	18:47
lardman	The options are to make the break higher up (i.e. all on the DSP, for which I've already written the code, just need to fiddle with the malloc, etc. routines)	18:49
lardman	Or lower down, just the dsp functions. That seems to me to be a cleaner way of doing things	18:49
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AD-N770	lardman: what you use to compile the dsp code ?	19:14
lardman	AD-N770: The 'free' Ti DSP toolchain	19:15
lardman	AD-N770: Take a look at the DSP Programming topic on the maemo wiki	19:16
AD-N770	lardman: can it generate into assembly ?	19:16
lardman	AD-N770: C->ASM?	19:16
AD-N770	yes	19:16
lardman	AD-N770: Yes, I think so	19:16
lardman	certainly it can diassemble	19:17
AD-N770	is it gcc derived ?	19:17
lardman	no idea	19:17
AD-N770	do you know if it supports inline assembly ?	19:18
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lardman	That I don't know, but there's a pdf on the Ti website about the assembler	19:19
lardman	compiler even	19:19
lardman	let me dig out the number for you...	19:19
AD-N770	I think that spru376/example 3-19 is usefull for speex	19:19
lardman	http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm	19:20
lardman	search for c55	19:20
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lardman	lots of things there	19:20
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lardman	spru281f.pdf is the one I was thinking of	19:20
lardman	AD-N770: I don't know what operations speex requires, though FIR filter is presumably among them	19:22
lardman	AD-N770: I also don't know how good the C compiler is at optimisation	19:23
AD-N770	what I'm thinking is that probably the C code don't generate the 2 mac paralelized	19:23
lardman	No idea, but one would assume it would do some things right	19:24
AD-N770	so just take this code into an function in C using inline assembly would be usefull	19:24
lardman	yes	19:24
lardman	there were also some tips (in the link I posted yesterday) to make the C compiler generate better (more optimised code)	19:25
AD-N770	i've been reading in the speex code, the sse optimization for FIR is done in a similar way	19:25
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AD-N770	I only need to find which is the syntax used by the c compiler for inline assembly and passing data to it	19:26
AD-N770	or could be that will be easier write it in one external module	19:27
AD-N770	I will try to install the stuff at home this weekend and play a bit with it	19:27
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lardman	section 6.5.3 of the compiler guide	19:30
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lardman	AD-N770: Looks like Intel syntax which is handy	19:34
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lardman	have a nice weekend all	19:36
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Blacksitox	buenos dias	20:38
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booiiing-n800	hi guys	20:51
booiiing-n800	i just saw a report on tv about people throwing around nokia rainboots	20:52
booiiing-n800	finland won ;)	20:52
booiiing-n800	it seems to me that finnish people don't like nokia :>	20:52
booiiing-n800	after all, there is also a mobile-throwing-competition	20:53
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WhisperingVoices	anyone here use GPE Calendar on the N800?	21:04
lle2	anybody wanna guess what happened to my skype bugreport sent to skype.com?	21:04
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lle2	maemo.org report -> /dev/null	21:05
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lle2	nokia.com report -> told me to send it to skype.com	21:05
lle2	skype.com report -> told me to send it to nokia.com	21:05
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tko	just automate that and I'm sure someone will get sufficiently pissed off :)	21:11
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WhisperingVoices	I need a way to backup GPE Calendar's calendar file before I use Erminig, on my N800, however the /user/.gpe/ directory isn't visible to me. Anyone have any ideas?	21:15
lle2	tko: :) but this is actually not at all surprising state of affairs, although that's no excuse.	21:17
lle2	Who knows how many bugreports get buried this way	21:18
tko	I'm sure the error managers could dig that up for you :)	21:19
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lle2	I'm sure I don't really wanna know	21:21
pyhimys	WhisperingVoices: install xterm	21:23
pyhimys	you can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe	21:24
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WhisperingVoices	thanks pyhimys	21:26
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WhisperingVoices	I can't see that on the catalogue, I guess I'll google for installation instructions	21:29
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Blacksitox	WhisperingVoices, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced	21:31
WhisperingVoices	I found osso-xterm after Red Pilling, thanks I'll try the maemo one instead	21:32
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b0unc3	hello	21:33
_Monkey	what's up, b0unc3	21:33
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pupnik_	13:20 -!- test__ has joined #maemo // 13:53 * pupnik ducks // <support hell> // 15:19 -!- test__ has quit	21:42
pupnik_	saw that one comin	21:42
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kikka	My n770 will come soon :):):):)	21:42
WhisperingVoices	[19:26] <pyhimys> you can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe <- this done, but where will gpe.tar end up?	21:43
pupnik_	in .	21:43
pyhimys	WhisperingVoices: your working directory	21:44
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pyhimys	WhisperingVoices: /home/user would be my guess	21:44
WhisperingVoices	Ok, thanks. Found that.	21:44
WhisperingVoices	I had to get GEP File Manager to see it.	21:44
WhisperingVoices	last question before me and my newbie self go and try and sync with Google Calendar ... how do I restore that .tar into the .gpe directory? :D	21:45
pyhimys	tar xf gpe.tar	21:45
pyhimys	you could also backup it remotely	21:46
WhisperingVoices	I don't have anything else that runs Linux, well a laptop that just lost its adapter and has no battery	21:46
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pyhimys	tar cf - .gpe \| ssh user@foo.bar 'tar xf -'	21:47
pyhimys	gotta love ssh pipes	21:47
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pupnik_	yes, what took windows custom software to do, could be done since the early '70s with unix builtin commands	21:48
pupnik_	for e.g. backing up compressed partitions over a network	21:49
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WhisperingVoices	Bleh, I can't click on 'Add' in Erminig.	21:54
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Tu13es	WhisperingVoices: my gf had that problem	22:01
Tu13es	then it randomly worked	22:01
Tu13es	I think redoing her google info fixedi t	22:01
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WhisperingVoices	I hadn't logged into Google Calendar on the PDa	22:14
WhisperingVoices	erm, n800	22:15
WhisperingVoices	that fixed it :) thanks all for your help	22:15
WhisperingVoices	I am now even happier than I already was with my n800 :D	22:15
mbuf	can the N800 operate USB in host mode?	22:18
lle2	mbuf: yes, using the experimental patches	22:19
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lle2	mbuf: it won't be able to provide power	22:19
mbuf	lle2, is it an OTG controller?	22:20
mbuf	lle2, so it can switch between host and device?	22:20
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\|tbb\|	lle2: could u plug any usb keyboard on it	22:21
lle2	mbuf: in principle yes, with the kernel we ship, no	22:22
mbuf	lle2, thanks	22:22
lle2	\|tbb\|: I don't think so, they need to be powered	22:22
lle2	\|tbb\|: with a modified hub that provides power to the devices you can do it	22:23
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lle2	\|tbb\|: easiest way to get a keyboard is to buy a bluetooth kb	22:26
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\|tbb\|	got an url how to modify a usbhub	22:27
lle2	no, but try searching for "usb hub mod 770" or something ;)	22:28
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pbryan	So, Ubuntu Mobile for N800?	22:45
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\|\|cw	pbryan: ubuntu is not (yet) targeting nokia devices	22:51
pbryan	\|\|cw: Yeah, so far just the Intel platform.	22:51
\|\|cw	their only target so far is Intel's MID platform	22:51
* pbryan wonders if it will be easy to port to ARM.		22:51
pbryan	I guess we'll see when it releases.	22:51
pbryan	If so, won't that be interesting critical mass?	22:51
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\|\|cw	since ubuntu doesn't officialy support arm it could be difficult	22:53
pbryan	\|\|cw: Well, there's a branch of Debian (armeb) which is not officially supported by Debian either, but seems to have a strong following.	22:53
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ekim\|irc	Hi	22:55
pbryan	Hi.	22:55
\|\|cw	pbryan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-July/019376.html	22:55
* pbryan follows link.		22:55
ekim\|irc	Does anyone know how I can get man on my 770	22:55
ekim\|irc	also...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities	22:56
ekim\|irc	but I cant install itr because it conflicts with busybox	22:56
pbryan	Hmm. That post was a while ago.	22:56
pbryan	Any progress?	22:57
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pbryan	Google to the rescue.	22:57
pbryan	;)	22:57
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ekim\|irc	Can someone help me	23:09
ekim\|irc	also...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities , it says it conflicts with busybox ... how can I install it	23:10
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ekim\|irc	alo	23:21
ekim\|irc	also	23:21
ekim\|irc	what is the bar with the applications on the bottom of the screen in this screenshot ?	23:21
ekim\|irc	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1154/screenshot.png	23:21
ekim\|irc	Is everyone here asleep ?	23:22
celesteh	zzzzzzz	23:22
ekim\|irc	seriously	23:23
celesteh	screenshot: no idea. my OS looks nothing like that	23:23
celesteh	maybe it's an applet	23:23
ekim\|irc	I want that :)	23:23
ekim\|irc	maybe its just a customized IDEA	23:23
celesteh	i'm awake, i just don't have answers	23:24
celesteh	everytime i've tried to sort out packet conflicts it really has not been worth the time or effort	23:24
celesteh	you could copy the conflicting package to a different computer and then mount your N800 via usb	23:25
celesteh	and then manually install every element	23:25
ekim\|irc	Found it	23:25
ekim\|irc	http://simple-launcher.garage.maemo.org/	23:25
ekim\|irc	cool	23:25
\|tbb\|	have someone successfully had using rdesktop over an adhoc connection	23:26
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celesteh	but the conflict is probably because of some library	23:27
celesteh	one package wants one version, the other package wants another version	23:27
celesteh	so most of the things you manually install don't work because they want the wrong library	23:27
celesteh	OR you get the new package to work but break the old one	23:27
\|tbb\|	my connection stops working after a few seconds :(	23:27
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MCCob	any valid Tapioca Repository in this world ??	23:37
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birunko	MCCob, http://www.maemo.org.br/VoIP/apt/, i guess	23:41
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