| Dea1 | hey - estazi - many thanks - although ill probably be back on here again regularly | 00:00 |
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| erstazi | Dea1, I try, I am new to scratchbox myself | 00:00 |
| erstazi | Dea1, I think if a few more people contribute, then more people will be jumping on getting these tablets (: | 00:01 |
| Dea1 | quick qestion - do these binaries include the nokia emulator or is that a separate install? | 00:01 |
| erstazi | mmm I am not sure about that, I read about the emulator and what not | 00:01 |
| erstazi | I believe the devkit is that, but I haven't gotten further than that | 00:01 |
| erstazi | Dea1, all I know is, I was following this part: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#cctarget | 00:02 |
| Dea1 | yeah - the N770 is great, although not a lot of people get what its about - im in the UK and use it a lot - we have mobile 3G so with my nokia phone its great for surfing websites on the move | 00:03 |
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| erstazi | Dea1, I use my n770 to even place phone calls and vnc to my work | 00:05 |
| erstazi | I even do some programming by tapping the keyboard heh, though its a rarity,... I prefer to ssh to the n770 | 00:06 |
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| erstazi | hello hyph_n | 00:06 |
| hyph_n | hi there | 00:06 |
| hyph_n | last time i was here i had a problem | 00:07 |
| Dea1 | im using my n770 to manage Windows Server 2003 (rdp) - wish it had eyboard input though | 00:07 |
| hyph_n | then my n770 bricked with a white screen | 00:07 |
| hyph_n | so... got my money back & ordered another one | 00:07 |
| hyph_n | no white screen so far...! | 00:07 |
| hyph_n | Dea1: i think i've seen something that allows u to connect a bluetooth keyboard to the n770 | 00:08 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, did you upgrade it with the latest updates? were you in red pill mode when it white screened? (haha the white screen of death) | 00:08 |
| erstazi | yeah there are quite a few compatible bluetooth keyboards | 00:08 |
| erstazi | there is a list somewhere | 00:09 |
| erstazi | let me search | 00:09 |
| Dea1 | cheers | 00:09 |
| hyph_n | erstazi - i had reflashed it.... hadn't even got close to the red pill thingy! | 00:09 |
| hyph_n | anway, got another problem with the replacement... very very very poor wifi reception! | 00:09 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, hmmm | 00:09 |
| hyph_n | 1 inch (2cm) from the Access Point and the BEST i can get is 50%...! | 00:10 |
| erstazi | you have a n770 currently right? | 00:10 |
| hyph_n | yes | 00:10 |
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| hyph_n | the previous one (while it worked) had great reception | 00:10 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, do you know where control panel is? | 00:10 |
| hyph_n | yes | 00:10 |
| erstazi | follow me there | 00:10 |
| hyph_n | there | 00:10 |
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| erstazi | hyph_n, sorry | 00:12 |
| erstazi | distraction (kids) | 00:12 |
| erstazi | back though | 00:12 |
| hyph_n | lol - know what u mean! | 00:12 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, ok, double tap connections or connectivity or whatever it is | 00:13 |
| hyph_n | erstazi, my gut feel is that the internal antenna is no connected... (?) | 00:13 |
| erstazi | in the control panel | 00:13 |
| hyph_n | done | 00:13 |
| erstazi | click the middle connection button | 00:13 |
| hyph_n | done | 00:13 |
| erstazi | are you on the nokia right now online? | 00:13 |
| erstazi | or are you on a pc? | 00:13 |
| hyph_n | niether - i'm on a Mac ;-) | 00:14 |
| erstazi | ok godo | 00:14 |
| erstazi | s/godo/good | 00:14 |
| erstazi | now select your *normal* connection and then verify that you are using wlan and then select next | 00:14 |
| erstazi | what security method are you using? | 00:14 |
| hyph_n | wep | 00:14 |
| erstazi | ok | 00:14 |
| erstazi | next | 00:15 |
| hyph_n | (yes i know, but i have an Apple Newton that doen;t support WPA) | 00:15 |
| erstazi | what type of wep encryption? 128bit? | 00:15 |
| hyph_n | yes | 00:15 |
| erstazi | I have to use WEP because I don't want to buy a new router | 00:15 |
| hyph_n | 13 char ascii | 00:15 |
| erstazi | ok same here | 00:15 |
| erstazi | anyhow, click next to the end and select advanced | 00:15 |
| erstazi | there is an "other" tab | 00:15 |
| hyph_n | done - the power is 100mw | 00:15 |
| erstazi | select that and tell me what you see for a WLAN transmission power | 00:15 |
| hyph_n | :-) | 00:16 |
| erstazi | ok | 00:16 |
| erstazi | wtf | 00:16 |
| erstazi | wonder if its the router | 00:16 |
| erstazi | apple newton is a tower right? | 00:16 |
| erstazi | not a laptop? | 00:16 |
| hyph_n | powerbook G4 | 00:16 |
| erstazi | ok | 00:16 |
| hyph_n | and a MacBook (intel) | 00:16 |
| erstazi | how is the wireless on those? | 00:16 |
| erstazi | I wonder if its the router | 00:16 |
| hyph_n | great | 00:16 |
| hyph_n | i can also connect OK with a Palm TX | 00:16 |
| hyph_n | all with good range | 00:17 |
| erstazi | hmmm | 00:17 |
| erstazi | there must be something talking about that | 00:17 |
| erstazi | I notice that myself | 00:17 |
| erstazi | its usually positioning of other items | 00:17 |
| erstazi | like there is a microwave on the other side of the wall where my router is | 00:17 |
| hyph_n | mmmm | 00:17 |
| erstazi | and we have 5.8ghz phones that don't bother the router but 2.4ghz does | 00:18 |
| hyph_n | the odd thing is, that my previous n700 worked ok | 00:18 |
| erstazi | have you tried switching the channels for your router? | 00:18 |
| hyph_n | i haven't | 00:18 |
| erstazi | I don't know if yours supports it or not | 00:18 |
| erstazi | but the laptops and n770 will recognize the new channel | 00:18 |
| hyph_n | but i get the same problem in the office (i'm the Sys Admin there | 00:18 |
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| hyph_n | i think the unit is foobar | 00:19 |
| erstazi | possibly | 00:19 |
| erstazi | I would call customer service | 00:19 |
| hyph_n | i'm going to tomorrow | 00:19 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, keep me informed though | 00:19 |
| erstazi | this might happen to mine haha | 00:19 |
| hyph_n | no probs | 00:19 |
| erstazi | and honestly, these 770's can take a beating | 00:19 |
| hyph_n | as a side note, someone else in the office (one of my staff) is also getting a n700 | 00:19 |
| erstazi | I have dropped this tablet more than I have with any cell phone and its working great (thanks to no harddrive) | 00:19 |
| hyph_n | 770 | 00:20 |
| hyph_n | i'll see what his is like in the same environment | 00:20 |
| Dea1 | just to let you guys know (if youre in the US) that a company (www.expansys.com) was selling new 770 in the UK for 70GBP. Theyre all gone now, but you may find a few on ebay.co.uk!!! | 00:20 |
| hyph_n | Dea1: i just got mine from there | 00:20 |
| Dea1 | :) ok then | 00:20 |
| hyph_n | If you search you can get a 770 + 1GB rsmmc for only a few quid more..! | 00:21 |
| Dea1 | yeah - i missed that one | 00:21 |
| erstazi | Dea1, buy.com has it for 63 guid | 00:21 |
| hyph_n | Play.com also have them | 00:21 |
| Dea1 | bought one for my girlfriend too - she loves it (which is strange cos she hates technology) | 00:21 |
| hyph_n | :-) | 00:21 |
| erstazi | my wife is jealous of my nokia | 00:22 |
| Dea1 | is buy.com us based? | 00:22 |
| erstazi | she won't admit it, but I see it in her eyes | 00:22 |
| hyph_n | loving the screen - makes a great ebook reader! | 00:22 |
| erstazi | Dea1, you might have to pay a customs tax I am not sure | 00:22 |
| erstazi | they offer payment in many different currencies | 00:22 |
| Dea1 | well with her having one she doesnt mind me playing with it in bed (THE NOKIA!!!!!!) | 00:22 |
| erstazi | haha | 00:23 |
| erstazi | I bring mine to bed, just started and finished reading "The Machine Stops" last night, great ebook (: | 00:23 |
| Dea1 | just finished downloading all the other packages erstazi - quick q why two devkits - debian and maemo??? | 00:23 |
| erstazi | um... I am not sure about that haha | 00:23 |
| erstazi | if you have OS2006 I believe you have maemo2, but I could be wrong | 00:23 |
| erstazi | or is it maemo3? | 00:24 |
| erstazi | Dea1, if you look in synaptic and search for scratchbox, you will see all the debs you can install | 00:24 |
| Dea1 | god knows - there is info out there its just not that clear | 00:24 |
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| erstazi | Dea1, well they are not clear on that | 00:24 |
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| Dea1 | well ill have a play around with it....once again thx for the help | 00:25 |
| erstazi | do we call it maemo4 or OS2007? | 00:25 |
| erstazi | no problem, any time | 00:25 |
| erstazi | if I knew more about scratchbox I would help you more | 00:25 |
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| erstazi | but I am limited on it, I finally got it installed last night | 00:25 |
| Dea1 | its okay - im gonna be delving in, so ill let u know how I get on | 00:25 |
| erstazi | Dea1, btw | 00:25 |
| erstazi | I am going to start a port for a very light weight speech to text, so if you think that would interest you, I would definitely appreciate the help (: | 00:26 |
| erstazi | I think this is what both 770/n800 are lacking and of my knowledge, there is not an app for maemo/arm | 00:27 |
| Dea1 | oo er - might be over my head - im an ex game programmer - but yeah keep me update - if anything itll help to re-rust my skills | 00:27 |
| hyph_n | bugger! - it looks like expansys have stopped selling the n770 (or have run out) | 00:27 |
| hyph_n | looks like i won't be getting an exchange then...! | 00:27 |
| hyph_n | :-( | 00:27 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, talk to nokia directly | 00:27 |
| Dea1 | you can get ir repared under warranty??? | 00:27 |
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| derf | I thought CMU's speech engine was already ported. | 00:28 |
| erstazi | derf, for OS2006? | 00:28 |
| Dea1 | what ebook viewer do you use erstazi - and what respository | 00:28 |
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| hyph_n | yeah i know.. but the unit is only 2 days old... so under my 'statutory consumer rights (UK)' i can get a replacement too | 00:29 |
| erstazi | Dea1, do you have openssh installed? | 00:29 |
| hyph_n | Dea1: i use fbreader | 00:29 |
| hyph_n | www.fbreader.org | 00:29 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, I was just going to get there | 00:29 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, I am going to give Dea1 my sources.list | 00:29 |
| erstazi | http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 00:29 |
| Dea1 | cheers thx for that | 00:29 |
| derf | http://users.tkk.fi/~tnikkila/maemo/flite/ | 00:30 |
| erstazi | anyone can use them, I commented the ones that need a gpg key (I don't have the time to grab them all) and the ones that are not working | 00:30 |
| erstazi | I use fbreader though | 00:30 |
| erstazi | nice app | 00:30 |
| hyph_n | ty :-) | 00:30 |
| erstazi | also, make sure you back up your sources.list just in case | 00:30 |
| Dea1 | ok! | 00:30 |
| hyph_n | i guess i need to get my head around this whole blue/red pill thingy | 00:30 |
| erstazi | when you get that sources.list inputted, you can go to your application manager and refresh the catalogue and then install whatever you need | 00:31 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, its real easy, you know how to do it? | 00:31 |
| Dea1 | hey - quick question (another one) - no problems setting up wifi - but is there any way to stop it having to reconnect - even though I have unlimited timeout it still reconnects (i.e. flashed the wifi icon a few times) when I load the browser - or is this just it renogitiating the WPA key? | 00:31 |
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| hyph_n | erstazi, no idea | 00:31 |
| erstazi | Dea1, I am not sure about that | 00:32 |
| hyph_n | dea1: it is already unlimted | 00:32 |
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| erstazi | hyph_n, go to your applications manager, make a new | 00:32 |
| hyph_n | btw - the bluetooth range is also a bit crap | 00:32 |
| Fatal | I read that as "bluetooth rage" | 00:33 |
| hyph_n | lol | 00:33 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, application manager > Tools > Application Catalogue then click new and type in the web address matrix and hit cancel | 00:33 |
| erstazi | then you will have a choice between red pill and blue pill | 00:33 |
| erstazi | and then make sure you do your updates | 00:34 |
| hyph_n | wow | 00:34 |
| hyph_n | what is the difference between red and blue? | 00:34 |
| erstazi | its a cheap hack they put into the nokias... they are "suppose" to be putting it in a settings for advanced users | 00:34 |
| hyph_n | :-) | 00:34 |
| erstazi | red pill opens up the nokia for more advanced users | 00:34 |
| hyph_n | groovy | 00:34 |
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| erstazi | and I have to go to the loo, brb | 00:35 |
| erstazi | ok back | 00:36 |
| milhouse | i hope you've washed your hands. | 00:36 |
| hyph_n | quick | 00:36 |
| erstazi | milhouse, yes, and arms | 00:36 |
| Dea1 | fasted gun in the west | 00:36 |
| milhouse | good boy :) | 00:36 |
| hyph_n | erstazi - ok, i chose red... now what does that mean? | 00:37 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, it opens your nokia to more advanced usage | 00:37 |
| hyph_n | erstazi, which means...? | 00:37 |
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| milhouse | you can stuff it up | 00:37 |
| hyph_n | :-) | 00:37 |
| erstazi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 00:37 |
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| erstazi | I found that about a few days ago, I just remember someone telling me what to do | 00:38 |
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| erstazi | some people suggest the i-Tech Virtual Bluetooth Keyboard with the nokia 770 | 00:39 |
| hyph_n | erstazi, thanks for that ... is this the route to becoming root on the unit? | 00:40 |
| milhouse | becomeroot | 00:41 |
| _Monkey | i heard becomeroot was is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 00:41 |
| alehandro | ssh root@127.1 with password rootme ;) | 00:41 |
| milhouse | that too :) | 00:41 |
| milhouse | or R&D mode. | 00:42 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, becomeroot | 00:42 |
| erstazi | haha | 00:42 |
| hyph_n | i've seen references to becomeroot kicking around... | 00:42 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, I suggest getting openssh | 00:42 |
| alehandro | How can i build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. I install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture. On maemo-3.0 all successful, but package on device not insallied, because incorrect libraries version | 00:43 |
| erstazi | openssh? | 00:43 |
| _Monkey | openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ | 00:43 |
| alehandro | ;) | 00:43 |
| hyph_n | yeah i installed ssh on the previous unit before it bricked | 00:43 |
| erstazi | alehandro, you have OS2006 unless you put OS2007HE on there | 00:43 |
| erstazi | so when you search on maemo, thats what you look for | 00:44 |
| erstazi | alehandro, do you know how to add to a sources.list? | 00:44 |
| Nermal | erstazi: thanks for all your help tonight - I'll be back when the 770 arrives :) | 00:44 |
| erstazi | Nermal, I will be here (: | 00:44 |
| Nermal | :) | 00:44 |
| erstazi | have a good night | 00:44 |
| hyph_n | i'm off too... knackered | 00:44 |
| Nermal | you too - bedtime now in the UK ::) | 00:44 |
| erstazi | night hyph_n | 00:44 |
| hyph_n | will check in tomorrow sometime | 00:45 |
| alehandro | erstazi, yeah, but it myself program, i am new meaemo developer | 00:45 |
| alehandro | ;) | 00:45 |
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| erstazi | alehandro, do you have scratchbox installed on a linux computer? | 00:45 |
| alehandro | yes | 00:45 |
| Dea1 | erstazi - just kicked off a load of downloads - about 120mb - will have fun tomorrow. You in the UK btw? | 00:45 |
| alehandro | scratbox, with maemo 2.2 and with maemo 3.0 | 00:45 |
| erstazi | Dea1, no, I miss the UK though, I am from the US | 00:45 |
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| erstazi | alehandro, where did you find the devkits for maemo2.2? | 00:46 |
| * hyph_n is in the uk.... also has a house in NH US | 00:46 | |
| alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture | 00:46 |
| alehandro | armel | 00:46 |
| Dea1 | I like the US - couldnt get a green card though :) weather the way it is at moment I dont mind swapping | 00:46 |
| alehandro | sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL22 | 00:46 |
| erstazi | ah | 00:46 |
| erstazi | ok | 00:46 |
| alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL22: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture | 00:46 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I am still learning that | 00:46 |
| alehandro | dpkg: warning, architecture `arm-none-linux-gnueabi' not in remapping table | 00:46 |
| erstazi | ah | 00:46 |
| hyph_n | dea1: my wife is US, that helps! | 00:47 |
| erstazi | hyph_n, haha | 00:47 |
| hyph_n | erstazi, thanks for all your help - catchya later | 00:47 |
| alehandro | SDK_ARMEL22 -- maemo 2.2, SDK_ARMEL -- maemo 3.0 | 00:47 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I haven't had that problem yet | 00:47 |
| Dea1 | well mine is UK - prob be a bit peeved if I married a US lady to get a green card :) | 00:47 |
| hyph_n | :-) | 00:48 |
| hyph_n | bie | 00:48 |
| hyph_n | cheers | 00:48 |
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| alehandro | erstazi, you have in maemo 2.2 correct packet with 'armel' architecture? | 00:48 |
| erstazi | green cards are easier to get than becoming a British citizen | 00:48 |
| erstazi | alehandro, no, I have the devkit for maemo3 | 00:48 |
| erstazi | I need to get the binary for maemo2.2 | 00:48 |
| erstazi | maemo2.2 is for OS2006 right? | 00:48 |
| Dea1 | Id love to live in the US - im a pilot - but too many of them in US, so no chance.... | 00:49 |
| erstazi | Dea1, depends, locally around here they are in demand | 00:49 |
| florian | erstazi: Europe is nice - you can move to every country inside EC as you like... :-) | 00:49 |
| erstazi | but in other places, no | 00:49 |
| erstazi | florian, I was in Europe in the military and civilian, I miss Europe as well | 00:49 |
| alehandro | yes, all well | 00:49 |
| erstazi | I am locked down now (: | 00:49 |
| alehandro | customers forgive compatibility | 00:49 |
| alehandro | with nokia 770 | 00:49 |
| erstazi | alehandro, where did you get the devkit for maemo2.2? | 00:50 |
| Dea1 | oh well - you have a Nokia for company :) | 00:50 |
| erstazi | haha | 00:50 |
| erstazi | my wife thinks its too much company | 00:50 |
| alehandro | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz | 00:50 |
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| Dea1 | yeah - tell her its better than another woman :) | 00:51 |
| Dea1 | but honey - I love my Nokia too | 00:51 |
| erstazi | haha | 00:51 |
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| erstazi | thank you alehandro | 00:51 |
| erstazi | isn't gregale for OS2007 though? | 00:51 |
| erstazi | thats where I get confused | 00:51 |
| alehandro | nope | 00:51 |
| alehandro | it os 2006 | 00:52 |
| erstazi | ok, thank you alehandro | 00:52 |
| alehandro | for itos 2007 >= 3.0 | 00:52 |
| erstazi | ah | 00:52 |
| erstazi | alehandro, you should write a tutorial on this haha or I will | 00:53 |
| alehandro | on the 3.0 maemo for nokian n800 packet building and installation -- successful completed | 00:53 |
| erstazi | nice | 00:54 |
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| erstazi | by the end of the day, I will be back to square one after repartitioning my harddrives... no room | 00:54 |
| erstazi | all these installs | 00:54 |
| alehandro | us deuchen customers ask us write wiki on this way, but now we not have time...planning for the future ;) | 00:56 |
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| erstazi | alehandro, I am going to contribute some writing in the wiki | 00:56 |
| erstazi | also last night, I filled _Monkey with many responses like: | 00:57 |
| erstazi | nano? | 00:57 |
| _Monkey | nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ | 00:57 |
| erstazi | or | 00:57 |
| erstazi | leafpad? | 00:57 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that leafpad is a simple GTK+ text editor that emphasizes simplicity. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/leafpad/ | 00:57 |
| erstazi | xterm? | 00:57 |
| _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 00:57 |
| alehandro | sry for my english, i from russia ;) | 00:57 |
| erstazi | alehandro, honestly, your english is very good | 00:58 |
| erstazi | where in Russia? | 00:58 |
| erstazi | alehandro, Это заявление делает чувство? | 00:59 |
| alehandro | udmurtia, izhevsk ;) home of kalashnikov ;) | 00:59 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:00 |
| alehandro | babelfish? ;) | 01:00 |
| erstazi | yes | 01:00 |
| erstazi | haha | 01:00 |
| erstazi | I use it with clients sometimes | 01:00 |
| florian | *g* | 01:00 |
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| alehandro | not correctrtly ... jawbone is formulated ;))) | 01:01 |
| alterego | Anyone else really wish they could copy and paste between their N800 and other computers? | 01:01 |
| erstazi | personally, I think English is a horrible language and even worse international language... it should not be an international language at all | 01:01 |
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| alterego | English isn't that bad. There's a lot of bloat but it is quite expressive. | 01:01 |
| erstazi | alterego, the only way I know of is ssh or instant message | 01:01 |
| alterego | Obviously I'm biased though. Being English and all ^_^ | 01:01 |
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| erstazi | well, I see both sides... but it is expressive in some areas but in other areas very lacking | 01:02 |
| alterego | Where? | 01:03 |
| erstazi | there is not a perfect language... | 01:03 |
| alterego | No, and there won't likely ever be one. | 01:03 |
| erstazi | alterego, take the verb "love" for instance | 01:03 |
| alterego | You have issue with love? :D | 01:03 |
| erstazi | you can love your mother and father... you can love your neighbor, you can love your wife | 01:03 |
| alehandro | english is relatively simple that other west-european languages, and our customers speak also english, although they are germans | 01:03 |
| alterego | erstazi, so? | 01:04 |
| erstazi | alterego, just an example (: | 01:04 |
| alterego | alterego, you have a problem with loving thy neighbour? | 01:04 |
| erstazi | heh | 01:04 |
| alterego | erstazi, ^^ | 01:04 |
| erstazi | [18:04] <erstazi> alterego, just an example (: | 01:04 |
| alehandro | they have bad english, and we... and we understand each other | 01:05 |
| alterego | Are you saying that 'love' isn't expressive enough? | 01:05 |
| alterego | I agree that the word can mean different kinds of love. | 01:05 |
| alterego | But then, what is love? | 01:05 |
| erstazi | alterego, no need for defensiveness, I am American, my mother's side is English and my father's side is Austrian but of course raised to speak primarily English | 01:05 |
| alterego | erstazi, I'm not being defensive :) | 01:05 |
| alterego | There are plenty of words in the English language I think are pointless. | 01:06 |
| erstazi | alterego, in many other languages, they have different verbs for the different meanings of the English word "love" | 01:06 |
| Dea1 | Meine deutsch ist nich so gut :) | 01:06 |
| alterego | But for the most part I really like the language. | 01:06 |
| erstazi | Dea1, haha | 01:06 |
| alterego | Dea1, das ist nicht so gut, es tut meir lied. | 01:06 |
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| erstazi | alterego, well, I am more coming from the fact of a non-native speaker learning English | 01:06 |
| Dea1 | ja - sehr gut, nicht :) | 01:07 |
| erstazi | its a hard language to learn compared to other languages out there | 01:07 |
| alterego | erstazi, yeah. I hear that's hard. | 01:07 |
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| erstazi | I just find those who take on learning English deserve credit, its a difficult language | 01:07 |
| alterego | erstazi, I think it's harder to learn because of all the different slang terms and also different areas tend to use a completely different vocabulary :) | 01:07 |
| erstazi | oh definitely | 01:08 |
| erstazi | even within the UK itself | 01:08 |
| alterego | Yah, I know. | 01:08 |
| alterego | I even have a hard t ime keeping up with all the slang ^_^ | 01:08 |
| erstazi | so many different dialects in England | 01:08 |
| Dea1 | whered u live in the UK erstazi? | 01:08 |
| erstazi | it shocked me | 01:08 |
| erstazi | Dea1, I live in the US | 01:08 |
| alterego | I'm from Cambridge, we're supposed to be quite posh. | 01:09 |
| erstazi | heh | 01:09 |
| Dea1 | lived... | 01:09 |
| erstazi | lived? | 01:09 |
| Dea1 | past tense - seeing as we're all talking languages (didnt u say you used to liv ein UK) | 01:09 |
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| alterego | I've been using my N800 for Rails development whilst in the bath. It's quite relaxing ^_^ | 01:09 |
| erstazi | Dea1, I stayed there but not lived | 01:10 |
| alehandro | erstazi, Are there sometime old maemo developers? Did you know? My question remains open ;( | 01:10 |
| erstazi | I wanted to move to London | 01:10 |
| alterego | Cambridge is awesome. If not a bit small. | 01:10 |
| Dea1 | your N800 is in the bath, is it nice and clean then? mmaybe a way to keep the screen free from smudges!! | 01:10 |
| erstazi | alehandro, there are a few, pupnik is one | 01:10 |
| erstazi | I hate smudges | 01:10 |
| erstazi | and hate is a strong word | 01:10 |
| Dea1 | Cambridge is nice, London is horrible - dirty, crowded. | 01:11 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I am sticking my porting and packaging to the 770 because thats what have and there are quite a few with a 770 | 01:11 |
| alterego | I was here when maemo first started. But I stopped my envolvment with the community until pretty recently. | 01:11 |
| erstazi | Dea1, I was in milton keynes for a month | 01:11 |
| Dea1 | never mind - im sure you got over it :) | 01:12 |
| erstazi | whats that? | 01:12 |
| alterego | I've been back literally just over a month. Been working on Ruby-Maemo port and bindings :) | 01:12 |
| alehandro | erstazi, the morning I spoke with him. he also did not know how to solve the problem, because preparing for n800 | 01:12 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:12 |
| erstazi | alterego, I don't mind RoR, it is a bright star, but python is looking bright also | 01:13 |
| alterego | I actually started coding in Python before Ruby. | 01:13 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I am not too sure who all are old maemo developers.. I wish I had a list | 01:14 |
| alterego | I found Ruby to be a lot more flexible. It's so much nicer :) | 01:14 |
| erstazi | alterego, it is very flexible and nice | 01:14 |
| erstazi | how well does ruby work with existing databases? | 01:14 |
| alterego | Fine. | 01:15 |
| erstazi | maybe I heard FUD, who knows | 01:15 |
| alterego | You just specify the connection information database name and then the table name. | 01:15 |
| alehandro | erstazi, after my search for maemo deveolopers, I concluded the bulk developers are n800 python, developers, but i write in pure c/c++ with gtk+ | 01:15 |
| erstazi | I take everything in with a grain of salt | 01:15 |
| erstazi | alehandro, well, I appreciate what you do | 01:16 |
| erstazi | alehandro, what applications do you have out? | 01:16 |
| alterego | erstazi, what you've heard is probably related to the fact that people start learning Rails with no Ruby knowledge and try to jump into the deep end. | 01:16 |
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| erstazi | alterego, that is probably so, and that would be FUD then haha | 01:16 |
| erstazi | hello mazzen | 01:16 |
| mazzen | hello erstazi | 01:17 |
| erstazi | how are you mazzen? | 01:17 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I think there is a list of developers on maemo.org but I could be wrong | 01:17 |
| alterego | There is a lot of FUD surrounding Rails and it's not so good for the community. People become very sceptical and wont look into the platform, which is a shame because it's awesome :) | 01:17 |
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| erstazi | alterego, definitely, we are looking at it ourselves for development but only on a test basis | 01:18 |
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| mazzen | erstazi: fine, and you? | 01:18 |
| erstazi | hello syntux, how are you? | 01:18 |
| erstazi | good mazzen, tired though (: | 01:19 |
| alterego | I think my only issue with Ruby/Rails, ruby specifically, is that the interpreter isn't to speedy. This will be fixed when Ruby 2.0 is released later this year. With the YARV bytecode interpreter. | 01:19 |
| syntux | hey erstazi | 01:19 |
| _Monkey | erstazi is rusty on porting to a different arch | 01:19 |
| syntux | how is it going | 01:19 |
| erstazi | alterego, I don't think or see going to be using it within a year because I want to know the ins and outs | 01:19 |
| alterego | erstazi, very wise. | 01:19 |
| erstazi | _Monkey: forget erstazi | 01:19 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi | 01:19 |
| syntux | i'm trying to get 'libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline' for nN800, any official repos that has em ? | 01:19 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I've gotta restart my machine., | 01:20 |
| erstazi | syntux, I would help you but I am not familiar with OS2007 | 01:20 |
| erstazi | alterego, ttyl, good talk | 01:20 |
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| syntux | erstazi, what are you using then ? | 01:20 |
| Dea1 | hey guys - im off now - want to try and get Scratchbox configured... | 01:20 |
| erstazi | syntux, OS2006 on a 770 (: | 01:20 |
| erstazi | Dea1, any struggles please tell us! | 01:20 |
| erstazi | ttyl Dea1 | 01:20 |
| Dea1 | thks for the help - will let you know how I get on | 01:21 |
| Dea1 | bye | 01:21 |
| erstazi | syntux, there are plenty who have n800's | 01:21 |
| erstazi | syntux, have you checked maemo.org? | 01:21 |
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| syntux | yeah | 01:21 |
| syntux | nothing thee | 01:21 |
| alehandro | erstazi, now i completing write n770/800 client. it's NX-client. It's like are VNC client, but more flexible and faster speed. It's worked very fast on slow connections, like gprs... It have some client's for other platform, but not having software for nokia platform (http://nomachine.com/) | 01:21 |
| syntux | isn't there another os to install, other than 2007? | 01:22 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I use NX | 01:22 |
| erstazi | syntux, no, its the latest | 01:22 |
| erstazi | syntux, let me check something | 01:22 |
| erstazi | alehandro, how did you keep it lightweight? | 01:23 |
| alehandro | pure c ;) | 01:23 |
| * erstazi slaps himself | 01:23 | |
| erstazi | ah-duh | 01:23 |
| erstazi | sorry, alehandro, I am not always mentally here (: | 01:24 |
| erstazi | alehandro, where is the install for it? I will give it a blash, anything different than the other vnc clients will make me happy, I use nx client on my box here | 01:24 |
| erstazi | s/blash/run | 01:25 |
| alehandro | erstazi, it's developed for commercila use for my customers, sorry... | 01:25 |
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| erstazi | alehandro, ah I see | 01:27 |
| erstazi | alehandro, any open sourced apps? | 01:27 |
| erstazi | alehandro, how much are you charging for it? | 01:28 |
| alehandro | erstazi, i am freelancer... I do outsource develop, because our wages are forced desired... the average wage in my town for a month like 250-300$ | 01:28 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:28 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I am a freelancer myself but in the web-dev field | 01:28 |
| alehandro | erstazi, some my friend from university doing web development | 01:29 |
| alehandro | i myself started from him ;) | 01:29 |
| erstazi | alehandro, ah nice | 01:29 |
| erstazi | syntux, are you sure its not libgdbm? | 01:29 |
| syntux | erstazi, it's libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline | 01:30 |
| erstazi | ok | 01:30 |
| alehandro | erstazi, now i now develop open source software because, like linus torvalds sad : the social construction of my life not completly implemented ;) | 01:31 |
| alehandro | 2now/not | 01:32 |
| erstazi | alehandro, heh | 01:32 |
| erstazi | alehandro, I believe proprietary software is not evil | 01:32 |
| erstazi | personally, I have both open source and closed source applications I develop | 01:32 |
| erstazi | syntux, what app is this for? | 01:33 |
| alehandro | when I my social live like my european colleagues, I will do open source software ;) | 01:33 |
| syntux | erstazi, mozilla browser. | 01:34 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:35 |
| syntux | erstazi, I'm trying to find out if I can use my debian packages on N800 | 01:35 |
| erstazi | oh | 01:35 |
| erstazi | no | 01:35 |
| erstazi | they need to be for the ARM arch and also hildonized | 01:35 |
| erstazi | syntux, they have a mozilla browser that you can use on maemo | 01:35 |
| erstazi | minomo? | 01:35 |
| erstazi | oops | 01:35 |
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| erstazi | minimo? | 01:35 |
| _Monkey | i think minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ | 01:35 |
| alehandro | my few phrases in putayus ;)) we now 3:36 | 01:36 |
| syntux | erstazi, yeah, this is what I'm trying to do, from browser.garage.maemo.org | 01:36 |
| erstazi | ah | 01:36 |
| syntux | erstazi, but I'm trying to see if I can use libgdm, readline and other libs from debian on N800 | 01:36 |
| erstazi | syntux, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ try this one | 01:36 |
| erstazi | syntux, they need to be ported for maemo/ARM arch | 01:37 |
| syntux | erstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ? | 01:38 |
| alehandro | syntux, on maemo site | 01:38 |
| erstazi | syntux, you can use scratchbox for porting | 01:38 |
| erstazi | or read up on maemo.org | 01:38 |
| alehandro | syntux, simple example here http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 01:39 |
| syntux | erstazi, I tried to download vmware scratchbox but couldn't get the torrent, the site hosting that torrent been down for a week | 01:39 |
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| erstazi | yes | 01:39 |
| alehandro | syntux, vmware -- not scratch box, otherwise scratchbox not vmware ;) | 01:40 |
| erstazi | syntux, what OS do you use on your pc? | 01:40 |
| erstazi | alehandro, you can run scratchbox in vmware | 01:40 |
| syntux | alehandro, there is a vmware appliance that has scratchbox. | 01:40 |
| syntux | erstazi, ubuntu | 01:40 |
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| erstazi | syntux, which version of ubuntu? | 01:40 |
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| syntux | erstazi, feisty | 01:41 |
| alehandro | syntux, ah | 01:41 |
| erstazi | syntux, you are in the gold then | 01:41 |
| wollop | http://cgi.4chan.org/r/src/1186516570243.jpg | 01:41 |
| erstazi | syntux, you can add this to your sources.list: | 01:41 |
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| alehandro | syntux, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt | 01:41 |
| alehandro | learn this | 01:41 |
| erstazi | syntux, deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main | 01:41 |
| erstazi | then grab the scratchbox-core and scratchbox-libs | 01:42 |
| syntux | ah cool | 01:42 |
| erstazi | then read this: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html | 01:42 |
| erstazi | the two packages from that repo will take a bit, quite large packages | 01:42 |
| erstazi | so you can read up on that URL I provided, its the official documents | 01:42 |
| erstazi | the Debian/Ubuntu way is different than other *nix distros | 01:43 |
| syntux | apting... | 01:43 |
| alehandro | erstazi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt -- this is are full completed guide how setup nokia environment on linux box | 01:43 |
| erstazi | syntux, suggestion: use the normal user you have for adding the sbox | 01:43 |
| erstazi | alehandro, ah | 01:43 |
| erstazi | I will have to read that as well | 01:43 |
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| erstazi | hi |tbb| | 01:43 |
| |tbb| | hey | 01:44 |
| alehandro | erstazi, return to the opensource. In the near future, I plan to write a opensource client for Nokia n800 for teamXchange server | 01:45 |
| alehandro | With gtkmm library | 01:46 |
| erstazi | nice | 01:47 |
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| erstazi | I got to dummy cord my damn stylus | 01:48 |
| erstazi | I don't want to lose it | 01:48 |
| alehandro | ;)) | 01:49 |
| alehandro | our customers did not object to the fact that i licensed it on GPL | 01:49 |
| syntux | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 01:50 |
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| erstazi | syntux, last time I checked, that torrent is down | 01:51 |
| syntux | yeah | 01:51 |
| syntux | I prefer using vmware for such thing as I do many things with my laptop and I prefer to keep my install clean for desktop use only | 01:52 |
| syntux | I do study and test things over vmware | 01:52 |
| syntux | much better and cleaner | 01:52 |
| alehandro | syntux, good thing's | 01:52 |
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| erstazi | syntux, I do myself also | 01:53 |
| alehandro | syntux, there is something like that with maemo 2.2? ;) | 01:54 |
| syntux | alehandro, no but I guess I can build an image | 01:54 |
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| erstazi | I was wondering that myself | 01:54 |
| erstazi | hello MobileSim | 01:54 |
| MobileSim | Hey. | 01:55 |
| alehandro | hi | 01:55 |
| syntux | alehandro, but would need to install ubuntu minimal and install apps on it | 01:55 |
| alehandro | syntux, i old debian user ;) | 01:56 |
| syntux | alehandro, how old ? :p | 01:56 |
| alehandro | syntux, I liked the complete decision Maemo Development Appliance | 01:57 |
| alehandro | syntux, more than 7 years old | 01:57 |
| alehandro | before -- bsd user | 01:57 |
| syntux | cool | 01:57 |
| syntux | alehandro, Ok, I'll try to make that appliance this weekend, I'm running out of space and waiting for my 320GB maxtor :D | 01:58 |
| alehandro | my linux box live on 20Gb hdd ;) | 02:00 |
| erstazi | heh | 02:00 |
| erstazi | what filesystem do you use? | 02:00 |
| syntux | I have 100GB on my laptop and 160 on home server and both are full of distro ISOs and movies :D | 02:01 |
| alehandro | ext3fs, and riserFS for big partitions with music and films | 02:01 |
| alehandro | on elvm | 02:01 |
| erstazi | ah | 02:02 |
| alehandro | on home server i have 800Gb totaly space ;) | 02:03 |
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| alehandro | I dream for IBM Blade server with fiber optical channel communications ;) | 02:04 |
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| alehandro | My wife, or to dissolve the brain or kill me;) | 02:06 |
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| MobileSim | Is the 800 generally more stable than the 770? | 02:08 |
| zakx | it has a stand, so maybe it'll fall less often | 02:08 |
| zakx | scnr. | 02:08 |
| MobileSim | Software-wise, I meant. :p | 02:08 |
| sp3000 | it has more memory so you'll be less likely to run into reliability issues partly triggered by low memory (or slowness if you swap) | 02:11 |
| sp3000 | but I haven't really used 770 so I can't say much from experience | 02:11 |
| * MobileSim is starting to get annoyed with daily browser crashes coupled with inconvienent limitations like being unable to copy email addresses. | 02:12 | |
| alehandro | software may be some memory leaks... | 02:12 |
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| MobileSim | On the other hand, I'm loving Vim more now than I was on the desktop. | 02:14 |
| MobileSim | mouse=a in vimrc is amazing. :P | 02:14 |
| alehandro | I do not represent how to live without vim | 02:15 |
| alehandro | ;) | 02:15 |
| * MobileSim is actually using tabs now, since that's all tappable with mouse=a set. :D | 02:16 | |
| * MobileSim has no idea what the variable means, but it's magic. | 02:17 | |
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| alehandro | ;))) | 02:17 |
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| MobileSim | But yeah. I really wanna jump in and develop software, but I'm worried about platform stability in general. :( | 02:18 |
| alehandro | i use memwatch library to fix memory leaks, and platform more stability that you things | 02:18 |
| alehandro | yes, he need sometime's reboot on a develop stage | 02:19 |
| alehandro | but usually not needed for me | 02:20 |
| * MobileSim needs it more often than he'd like, and that's without developing software at all. | 02:20 | |
| alehandro | I develop on nokia n800 about six months | 02:21 |
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| MobileSim | What language would have to be used for making applets? | 02:26 |
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| gomia1 | dropped :-D | 02:32 |
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| gomia1 | now it's time to wait for gomiam to get "Reset by peer" | 02:33 |
| erstazi | gomia1, ghost it | 02:37 |
| erstazi | /msg nickserv ghost gomiam password | 02:38 |
| gomia1 | I think I didn't even bother to register it :-D | 02:38 |
| erstazi | ah | 02:38 |
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| erstazi | you could link them to one registered nick | 02:38 |
| alehandro | так вперед за циганской звездой кочевой, на рассвет где горят паруса ;)) | 02:40 |
| alehandro | oh | 02:40 |
| alehandro | sry not here) | 02:40 |
| gomia1 | XD | 02:40 |
| gomia1 | alehandro, you might consider no typing letters upside down :-P | 02:40 |
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| gomia1 | erstazi: yeah, I could... too lazy I guess | 02:41 |
| alehandro | gomia1, it's specificial for russian koi8-r encoding after recode to other encodings ;) | 02:42 |
| gomia1 | alehandro: just pulling your leg. It showed cyrillic alright here | 02:42 |
| gomia1 | (and me thinking you were a Spaniard) | 02:43 |
| erstazi | alehandro, о tsiganskoy звезде номада | 02:45 |
| gomia1 | no me toquéis las narices :-P | 02:45 |
| alehandro | ;) | 02:45 |
| gomia1 | :-D | 02:45 |
| erstazi | alehandro, did that sound alright? | 02:45 |
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| alehandro | erstazi, not all, but this was closely | 02:46 |
| alehandro | ;) | 02:46 |
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| vertoo | Hey all | 02:47 |
| erstazi | hi vertoo | 02:48 |
| alehandro | hello | 02:48 |
| gomia1 | btw, is anybody else here cataloging at Galaxy Zoo? | 02:48 |
| erstazi | gomia1, no, is that catalog for OS2007? | 02:48 |
| gomia1 | no, it's a project to classify galaxies | 02:48 |
| erstazi | ah | 02:49 |
| gomia1 | (as in spiral/elliptical, clockwise/counterclockwise elliptical, etc) | 02:49 |
| erstazi | ah I see | 02:49 |
| erstazi | now I recognize the name | 02:49 |
| alehandro | ericz, it's an excerpt from a gypsy folk song | 02:49 |
| alehandro | erstazi, | 02:49 |
| _Monkey | erstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ? | 02:49 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi, | 02:50 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi, | 02:50 |
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| erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi: | 02:50 |
| _Monkey | erstazi, I didn't have anything matching erstazi: | 02:50 |
| erstazi | hi jyro | 02:50 |
| jyro | hi | 02:50 |
| alehandro | _Monkey, http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:50 |
| _Monkey | alehandro: sorry... | 02:50 |
| gomia1 | XD | 02:50 |
| gomia1 | _Monkey, help | 02:50 |
| erstazi | how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:51 |
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| alehandro | xD | 02:51 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | OK, erstazi. | 02:51 |
| erstazi | how-to port? | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:51 |
| gomia1 | how-to? | 02:51 |
| erstazi | _Monkey, porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | OK, erstazi. | 02:51 |
| erstazi | gomia1, that isn't set, I would be fearful of setting that, too broad | 02:52 |
| alehandro | how-to? | 02:52 |
| alehandro | ;) | 02:52 |
| erstazi | unless it was an index for all the how-to's | 02:52 |
| erstazi | porting? | 02:52 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:52 |
| gomia1 | erstazi: I know. I was just testing. | 02:52 |
| gomia1 | see ya later. I'm going to play a bit of Sacred: Underworld | 02:53 |
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| erstazi | arg! | 03:19 |
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| JesseT78 | Hallo erstazi :) | 03:21 |
| erstazi | hello JesseT78 | 03:22 |
| erstazi | wb | 03:22 |
| erstazi | (: | 03:22 |
| JesseT78 | lol it keeps messing with my user name | 03:23 |
| JesseT78 | So I used the dropbear method and have root now as well | 03:23 |
| JesseT78 | (I've also used a mac flasher to set "enable usb host mode" and I'm not sure it if worked) | 03:24 |
| JesseT78 | so I am hoping that the root-level usb futzing commands can confirm if the setting is enabled or not | 03:24 |
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| erstazi | why do you want usb host mode? | 03:26 |
| erstazi | just curious | 03:26 |
| JesseT78 | The N770 device is meant to be part of a radio testing tool | 03:26 |
| JesseT78 | so it needs to connect, ideally via usb, to a keyboard, but also to an ethernet dongle and a gps transciever | 03:27 |
| JesseT78 | In this environment I cannot use bluetooth or wifi for the keyboard and/or network since it's goal is to test a radio and it need not add (undue) noise to the spectrum. | 03:29 |
| * JesseT78 waits for the "you're crazy!" speech ;) | 03:31 | |
| erstazi | ah | 03:31 |
| erstazi | no that sounds interesting | 03:31 |
| erstazi | what freq are you transmitting at? | 03:31 |
| erstazi | or trying to receive | 03:31 |
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| JesseT78 | We chose this unit specificly to fill this role. It's very inexpensive and, given the success of the usb hack, very much does every little thing we need. | 03:32 |
| bldewolf_ | dragorn: any idea on how to do wifi encryption that isn't officially supported, then? | 03:32 |
| timelyx | JesseT78: so have you gotten a powered usb hub and solder hacked it to work as required? | 03:32 |
| JesseT78 | They are wifi radios. Mostly 2.4ghz but we have some radios in the 5ghz range. I know that is outside the scope of Bluetooth but I'd rather have full emissions control. :) | 03:32 |
| JesseT78 | timelyx: I've got a powered usb hub and wired up a USB Y cable so as not to have to break into the hub itself | 03:34 |
| erstazi | JesseT78, you aren't in the US are you? | 03:34 |
| JesseT78 | The Y cable could easily be the cause of this not working right, which is why I would like (if possible) to use a root cli tool to confirm the N770 is in fact in usb host mode, just to isolate probable causes. | 03:34 |
| JesseT78 | Oregon | 03:35 |
| JesseT78 | Oregon, USA | 03:36 |
| anothy_x | a few days ago, i rebooted my N800. since then, the browser won't start, returning "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." regardless of how it's started. it's the only observable failure. | 03:36 |
| anothy_x | are there crash logs on the device? i've got ssh and root access enabled. | 03:37 |
| erstazi | anothy_x, did you check /var/logs/? | 03:37 |
| erstazi | thats usually where they are located | 03:37 |
| timelyx | anothy_x: which browser? | 03:37 |
| erstazi | anothy_x, if worse comes to worse, you might need to flash the n800 to original factory defaults unless you made a backup | 03:38 |
| timelyx | and which version of system software? | 03:38 |
| timelyx | there are 4 versions of system software and 2 browsers | 03:38 |
| JesseT78 | It's so freaking cool I can ssh into this nokia btw heh | 03:38 |
| anothy_x | my /var/log only has wtmp; /var/logs doesn't exisst. will it be populated if i create it? | 03:38 |
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| timelyx | no :) | 03:38 |
| timelyx | you can install sysklogd from a repository... | 03:38 |
| erstazi | ok nevermind | 03:38 |
| erstazi | I was wrong | 03:38 |
| timelyx | sometimes there's a different thing, but i can't remember if that is in the wild or only internally | 03:39 |
| erstazi | timelyx, I thought it did have a /var/logs | 03:39 |
| timelyx | is there a /var/*log other than /var/log? :) | 03:39 |
| JesseT78 | mine just has /var/log | 03:39 |
| anothy_x | nope, just /var/log | 03:39 |
| erstazi | s/"/var/logs"/"/var/log" | 03:39 |
| timelyx | JesseT78: you're 770, no? | 03:39 |
| erstazi | sorry about that | 03:39 |
| * timelyx is only asking about n800 | 03:39 | |
| erstazi | I meant it without s | 03:39 |
| JesseT78 | yes mine :) | 03:40 |
| anothy_x | how do i report a useful version? i don't remember which image i used. | 03:40 |
| timelyx | control panel | 03:41 |
| JesseT78 | control panel > device > About product | 03:41 |
| timelyx | about device or about product or something | 03:41 |
| timelyx | you can also sometimes get a moderately useful version from javascript:navigator.userAgent in the web browser | 03:42 |
| timelyx | and there's also something like cat /etc/osso_software_version from an xterm | 03:42 |
| JesseT78 | Do you know how I had to find out what IP address this device had? | 03:42 |
| timelyx | ifconfig -a4 doesn't work? | 03:42 |
| anothy_x | i have General > About product, instead. it reports version 3.2007.10-7 | 03:42 |
| JesseT78 | browse a web page of mine and check the logs. oy! but it worked. :) | 03:42 |
| timelyx | JesseT78: open tools>connection manager | 03:43 |
| timelyx | open the app menu | 03:43 |
| timelyx | browse the submenus | 03:43 |
| timelyx | one of them lets you get connection details which includes your ip address | 03:43 |
| * timelyx reaches back to the coffee table and retrieves a 770 | 03:43 | |
| * timelyx ponders | 03:43 | |
| timelyx | the splash screen has NOKIA and a Vista icon | 03:43 |
| timelyx | very spooky | 03:44 |
| JesseT78 | lol | 03:44 |
| timelyx | internet connection>ip addres | 03:44 |
| timelyx | s | 03:45 |
| JesseT78 | ok, so connection manager has a system menu. I missed that last time. thx :) | 03:45 |
| timelyx | JesseT78: all apps should | 03:45 |
| timelyx | certainly afaik all nokia apps do | 03:45 |
| timelyx | if you find one that doesn't, let me know, i'll yell at someone for you :) | 03:45 |
| JesseT78 | yes but this gui throws me just a bit. I forget where some menus are tucked away @ ;) | 03:45 |
| JesseT78 | Aside from some learning curve like that, it sure is a kick ass gui | 03:46 |
| timelyx | learning curve isn't that bad | 03:46 |
| timelyx | it's fairly short | 03:46 |
| timelyx | i think i picked up enough of the rules for it faster than most atypical platforms | 03:46 |
| JesseT78 | unless your brain is hard coded to another gui. You know the story lol | 03:46 |
| timelyx | i certainly was able to file bugs about violations fairly fast | 03:46 |
| timelyx | my brain is wired to pick up patterns and spot discrepancies :) | 03:47 |
| Luria | hey timel* | 03:47 |
| timelyx | boker tov? | 03:47 |
| * JesseT78 suppresses "one of these things just doesn't belong here" mp3 playing in his head | 03:47 | |
| Luria | erev tov, ani nimtza b'new york | 03:47 |
| timelyx | too late to be late, really too early to be early | 03:47 |
| timelyx | oy | 03:47 |
| Luria | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Hebrew | 03:47 |
| Luria | there is a vkb | 03:48 |
| Luria | and it does work | 03:48 |
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| timelyx | cool | 03:48 |
| Luria | the gotcha is you have to patch the system fonts | 03:48 |
| timelyx | nice | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | i go to sleep and the channel explodes with activity | 03:48 |
| Luria | which you cant distribute :-/ | 03:48 |
| timelyx | of course :) | 03:48 |
| erstazi | hi pupnik | 03:48 |
| JesseT78 | wb pupnik :) | 03:49 |
| timelyx | Luria: hrm, i'll have to consider doing that to my 770 | 03:49 |
| * timelyx wonders what Culmus is | 03:50 | |
| JesseT78 | Is this something like what you were talking about erstazi? https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=2 | 03:50 |
| timelyx | is that a foundry? | 03:50 |
| erstazi | that might work | 03:51 |
| erstazi | smoke break brb | 03:51 |
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| Luria | huh? | 03:54 |
| Luria | oh | 03:54 |
| Luria | http://culmus.sourceforge.net/ | 03:54 |
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| Luria | i guess maemo needs oss fonts | 03:56 |
| timelyx | Luria: if that wiki is open, could you linkify culmus? :) | 03:56 |
| timelyx | some of us are lazy, tired, silly, etc. :)) | 03:56 |
| Luria | k | 03:57 |
| Luria | i should make an account | 03:57 |
| Luria | one sec | 03:57 |
| timelyx | heh | 03:57 |
| Luria | itt should share logins with maemo.org | 03:57 |
| timelyx | i presume it does | 03:57 |
| timelyx | at least, i think i have one login between it and garage | 03:58 |
| Luria | garage is asking me for a title... and gave me a text field and not a drop down | 03:59 |
| Luria | silly design, fun for me | 03:59 |
| timelyx | title? | 04:00 |
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| timelyx | my previous employer let me specify a title for my business cards | 04:00 |
| timelyx | so i picked "timeless developer", unfortunately it came out "Timeless Developer" or something like that. close enough i suppose | 04:01 |
| Luria | umm.... so you never met deadlines? | 04:01 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:01 |
| timelyx | actually i don't recall missing deadlines | 04:01 |
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| * timelyx chuckles | 04:07 | |
| timelyx | there's a movie on showtime, they're speaking hebrew | 04:07 |
| timelyx | w/ english open captions | 04:07 |
| JesseT78 | What is ke-recv anyhow? | 04:08 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/ke-recv-2.12/ | 04:08 |
| Luria | what movie? | 04:08 |
| timelyx | Death Before Dishonor ? | 04:09 |
| Luria | wow. never seen it, but based on the wikipedia page, it looks bad. | 04:10 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:11 |
| timelyx | i should be sleeping | 04:11 |
| JesseT78 | Yeah I can't work out much about ke-recv and what it is for or what it does by poring through source. :) It appears to have no readme | 04:11 |
| JesseT78 | Google and Wikipedia have never heard of it. It's author is Finnish. | 04:12 |
| timelyx | JesseT78: even if i was inside, i doubt i'd be able to explain much more than the source does | 04:13 |
| JesseT78 | :) | 04:13 |
| JesseT78 | You are outdoors? | 04:13 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/ke-recv-l10n-3.0/po/ke-recv.pot | 04:13 |
| timelyx | is probably the best thing to read | 04:13 |
| timelyx | you can tell a lot about an app by what it tells your users | 04:13 |
| timelyx | probably <kernel><event>-<receiver> | 04:14 |
| JesseT78 | ah, sounds about right. | 04:14 |
| JesseT78 | But it is Nokia specific for instance, not some well known debian app I've never heard of? ;) | 04:14 |
| timelyx | well. the strings can't tell you that | 04:16 |
| timelyx | since nokia writes its own bad strings for popular packages :) | 04:16 |
| timelyx | but yeah | 04:16 |
| timelyx | it should be maemo specific | 04:16 |
| JesseT78 | I ran into it in a script someone wrote for changing usb host mode from the terminal. You put a word into a file in /sys/ and then reboot that daemon. | 04:16 |
| timelyx | oh | 04:17 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/ke-recv-extra-0.1/debian/ | 04:17 |
| timelyx | Parent directory - Apr 3 14:03 Program for receiving low-memory events from the kernel etc. | 04:17 |
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| timelyx | so, yes, browsing the cross reference will explain things for you:) | 04:17 |
| JesseT78 | I am just sort of hunting for any sort of diagnostic angle for determining what part of my setup could be preventing the usb hack from working as advertised. | 04:17 |
| timelyx | have you installed sysklogd yet? | 04:18 |
| JesseT78 | nop, sounds like a plan though. Let me have a look: | 04:18 |
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| Darksmurf | Hello. I am waiting for my N770 to arrive. While waiting I've been reading everything I can find about the N770, and maemo in general. As I understand it the last 'offical' release of maemo was based on OS2006. There is now a 2007 hackers edition. I've seen mention of problems with the 2007 version on the 770. I'm wondering what verison I should use. I intend on using a USB keyboard + SSH most of the time. What are | 04:25 |
| JesseT78 | Hola Dark. :) | 04:26 |
| JesseT78 | I've just been playing with SSH on os2005 (I think that's my os?) today, no problems there | 04:27 |
| Darksmurf | Also, I'm thinking about trying to use the 770 as an access point for my cellphone's EDGE/UMTS connection. Has anyone been able to get iptables to work? | 04:27 |
| JesseT78 | To use a usb keyboard you'll need a powered hub and a USB Y cable hack it is said; I am still trying to get that part working myself though | 04:27 |
| Darksmurf | JesseT78 glad to hear it. I'm already searching for a good 5v power source to power the keyboard. I'm going to modify a USB hub so I don't need the y cable. | 04:28 |
| JesseT78 | dark: by access point, do you mean you gain internet through your cell's edge/umts and then rebroadcast via bluetooth to the nokia, or the other way around? | 04:28 |
| Darksmurf | exactly...allow other wifi devices access to my net connection. I doubt the 770's wifi chipset will work in AP mode, I'd be happy to use Ad-Hoc. I don't need DHCP, I can have clients manualy set IP, GW, DNS, etc | 04:29 |
| JesseT78 | darksmurf: The notable part is that power to the keyboard in this circumstance is not the only problem. The N770 needs power to be supplied to it's usb port as well, even when it is in usb host mode. Normally the usb host provides power instead of drawing it, but that is an odd flaw in the N770's design. | 04:29 |
| Darksmurf | I think it would be useful for car trips, etc. | 04:30 |
| Darksmurf | Yeah, thats what I understand. | 04:30 |
| JesseT78 | Sounds ambitious. :) I cannot forsee a good reason why iptables would have trouble working on the N770, but I've read no data on the subject. | 04:31 |
| Darksmurf | After I mod the hub it won't be usable on a PC anymore. I'm think I'm going to try to embed it in my keyboard. Its a small Logitech usb keyboard designed for the playstation 2. | 04:31 |
| Darksmurf | The only results I can find are related to setting up a desktop as a router for the tablet. | 04:32 |
| JesseT78 | darksmurf that is similar to the reason I chose a usb Y cable, so that I wouldn't have to even mangle any hubs. Cables are cheaper to mangle. ;) | 04:32 |
| Darksmurf | I guess once I get it I'll have a go at building iptables as a module, but I've never had much luck making kernels or modules. :-( | 04:33 |
| JesseT78 | Yeah I am just glad I don't have to travel a road like that ;) | 04:34 |
| Darksmurf | JesseT78 I think I can get a very small hub that will be perfect for this for almost nothing from work. (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2463878&cp=&sr=1&origkw=usb+hub&kw=usb+hub&parentPage=search) It even has the mini B cable included | 04:34 |
| pupnik | Nokia770-49:~# which iptables | 04:34 |
| pupnik | /sbin/iptables | 04:34 |
| JesseT78 | ooer | 04:34 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik nice :-) | 04:34 |
| Darksmurf | thanks | 04:34 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik: what happens w/ 'iptables -L' ? | 04:35 |
| Darksmurf | JesseT78 how long have you had your tablet? | 04:36 |
| JesseT78 | Darksmurf I've used it now for a few cumulative hours. Got it a couple of weeks ago but couldn't move forward with our project until our electrical guy prepped the Y cable | 04:36 |
| JesseT78 | Now I am just having trouble making that part work as advertised. | 04:37 |
| Darksmurf | is it just not working? or is it intermitent? | 04:37 |
| JesseT78 | Asuming that is somehow our fault, I have had pretty much no things to be dissapointed about by the device. It is marvelous. :) | 04:37 |
| JesseT78 | Our current status is the device is in usb host mode, but when I use Y cable and powered hub a usb keyboard does not make keystrokes appear on my screen. I am trying to get some diagnostic angle into here to see where things are going wrong. | 04:38 |
| Darksmurf | Of course, not having a tablet I can't be much use, and am basicly talking out of my *$#, but... Have you tried 'dmesg'? From what I've seen you should see mention of the hub being connected, and then the keyboard. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it didn't work right if you had USB plugged in when the device booted. | 04:40 |
| JesseT78 | The guys here on the channel want me to install sysklogd so's I can see some USB log goodness. That is among the subgoals I am accomplishing now, I shall try dmesg as well | 04:41 |
| pupnik | Darksmurf: normal iptables behavior | 04:42 |
| JesseT78 | The system does run on top of unix and it is no more than smoke and mirrors to get Xterminal and root and just live in unix land. It is #@$%ing awexome :) | 04:42 |
| pupnik | Nokia770-49:~# dmesg |wc -l 175 | 04:43 |
| JesseT78 | yep, I have got me some dmesg | 04:44 |
| JesseT78 | Another thing I just did is wandered through the connection manager and set myself a static ip | 04:44 |
| JesseT78 | device goes to sleep, disconnecting the wifi often. On reconnect tends to get a new ip address. Then my SSH session gets difficult to manage. ;) | 04:44 |
| pupnik | i just leave a ping running from desktop to 770 | 04:45 |
| Darksmurf | I'm about to head back to school for the first time in a few years. I was thinking it would be great to have a small device with a good sized screen and nice keyboard that I could use to ssh in to my home machine and just take notes there. After a while I decided what I wanted didn't exist and I was about to give up. Then I remembered reading about buy.com having these things on sale. A little google search involvin | 04:45 |
| Darksmurf | the words 'nokia 770 keyboard' and I had found a perfect device | 04:45 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik I'll have to remember that | 04:46 |
| pupnik | nice - i have the thinkoutside stowaway and it's almost perfect | 04:46 |
| pupnik | the 'sierra' looks nice too | 04:46 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik those are BT right? I'm more interested in the usb...I already have the kb and I can still use BT to my phone. | 04:46 |
| pupnik | ppl have usb keyboards working too | 04:47 |
| Darksmurf | yep | 04:47 |
| Darksmurf | all I see are xterms w/ the rest of the gui visable..is there a way for it to go fullscreen? | 04:48 |
| pupnik | yes the fullscreen button :) | 04:49 |
| Darksmurf | very good :-) | 04:51 |
| Darksmurf | I havn't been this excited about a handheld device in a long time. | 04:52 |
| pupnik | you do understand that we expect you new 770 owners to become good worker bees and port and test linux apps to the device | 04:52 |
| pupnik | :) | 04:52 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik I'm all for it. But I doubt you want to see my C... | 04:52 |
| pupnik | it's the coolest thing ever :) | 04:52 |
| Darksmurf | I was just thinking about mpd... | 04:53 |
| pupnik | yeah but i've found apps that 'port' in two minutes | 04:53 |
| Darksmurf | OH! I read that nfs isn't support in os2006? but that CIFS was easy to enable...any experience? | 04:53 |
| pupnik | apt-get source $appname && cd appname && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b and ... presto | 04:53 |
| Darksmurf | thats nice. I've always liked debian | 04:54 |
| pupnik | yeah you just install the kernel with nfs | 04:54 |
| erstazi | pupnik, you don't have to do hildonization or anything on the GUI? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | to make it work well you do. but crosscompiling a game took only two minutes once (and it worked and was playable) | 04:55 |
| pupnik | so that's pretty fun | 04:55 |
| erstazi | awesome | 04:58 |
| erstazi | pupnik, what game is this? you did this through scratchbox right? I want to try it out before I dig myself deeper | 04:59 |
| erstazi | I am noticing some people use vmware | 04:59 |
| erstazi | which I am not sure how successful that would be | 04:59 |
| pupnik | there is a vmware image with pre-installed scratchbox, so it saves you some work (and lets you move the development environment between computers) | 05:00 |
| pupnik | but of course it incurs some space and performance overhead | 05:00 |
| erstazi | of course | 05:00 |
| Darksmurf | Is that a vmware image of maemo? | 05:09 |
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| pupnik | it's a full image of some linux OS with scratchbox installed (and maemo within scratchbox) | 05:12 |
| Darksmurf | I'm not familar with scratchbox... I was just reading mailinglist archives, mention of accessing a gui via VNC. would that be the same GUI as is on the tablet? I'm downloading vmware right now to give it a shot regardless. | 05:14 |
| Darksmurf | nice...a torrent for the image | 05:15 |
| Darksmurf | but no seeders.. | 05:15 |
| pupnik | scratchbox is (i'm being imprecise) this set of shellscripts that manages a chroot type environment so you can compile stuff for different OS's and architectures | 05:17 |
| Darksmurf | ah | 05:18 |
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| pupnik | maemo is the development platform for the nokia tablets. you can have a scratchbox containing a maemo system for the nokia tablets, next to a system for zaurus or other development environments | 05:19 |
| pupnik | scratchbox easily lets you switch between the different build environments | 05:19 |
| pupnik | so with the same source directory, you could build a version for x86, for nokia, for a zaurus or ipaq etc | 05:20 |
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| Darksmurf | ahh. So its kinda like having an ARM box, an x86 box, etc all w/o the extra machines. | 05:25 |
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| shackan | it's an ARM chroot, inside a Linux host, inside a VmWare virtual machine, inside Windows | 05:27 |
| pupnik | and different OSes - different OSes for the same machine | 05:27 |
| shackan | funny, isn't it? | 05:27 |
| pupnik | so you can build programs for IT2005, IT2006 and IT2007 on your pc by just switching 'targets' | 05:28 |
| Darksmurf | any way for me to play w/ the maemo gui via vmware? | 05:29 |
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| pupnik | yes you can run gui programs for the nokia from within scratchbox on your pc | 05:30 |
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| erstazi | pupnik, how do people port and package for both IT2006 and IT2007 | 05:37 |
| erstazi | and pupnik you were correct about the maemo2.2==IT2006 and maemo3.x(and greater) == IT2007 | 05:37 |
| pupnik | you set up two targets inside scratchbox, one for 2006 and one for 2007 | 05:38 |
| pupnik | a lot of 2006 programs work in 2007 though | 05:39 |
| erstazi | ah thats what I thought | 05:39 |
| erstazi | one would think backwards compatibility would be the survival of an OS | 05:39 |
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| erstazi | hi philipl | 05:39 |
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| pupnik | wow, ps2 emulators are becoming playable | 05:42 |
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| sparr | some entries in the repository list on the wiki say to leave the component blank... that seems to be invalid. whats up with that? | 05:44 |
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| rhsanborn | Anyone know of a precompiled djpeg binary? | 05:45 |
| rhsanborn | I've seen it mentioned at internettablettalk, but no link. | 05:45 |
| sparr | if it wasnt for the horrible control layout, the 770 could be a replacement for my lost gp2x :( | 05:45 |
| philipl | hi | 05:46 |
| * sparr beats handheld developers who put controls on only one side... with a very heavy stick | 05:46 | |
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| sparr | is it just me or is maemo-launcher a memory hog? | 05:48 |
| sparr | sorry for newb questions and comments, first day with the 770 | 05:48 |
| Darksmurf | sparr I saw mention that a specific app was only able to detect a single key press at a time...I assumed it was a hardware problem (as with many PDAs, etc), do you know for sure that the tablet can detect more than 1 keypress? | 05:49 |
| sparr | Darksmurf: i have no idea. | 05:50 |
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| * pupnik_ agrees with sparr - see design for gaming-compatible tablet here: http://pupnik.de/pics.html | 05:54 | |
| pupnik_ | sparr: heard of any other gp2x devs getting a nokia? reesy or squidge perhaps? :) | 05:56 |
| Darksmurf | I like the camera... | 05:56 |
| sparr | imho, the perfect gaming handheld is somewhere between the nokia 770, gp2x, and nintendo ds | 05:56 |
| sparr | pupnik: doubtful | 05:56 |
| sparr | and, for the record, im barely a gp2x dev. one port, one demo, thats it. | 05:56 |
| sparr | yeah, i saw that photo on a forum somewhere | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | want to help port drpocketsnes??? | 05:57 |
| sparr | how on earth would you play snes? bluetooth gamepad? | 05:57 |
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| sparr | the thing barely has the buttons for NES, and they are in the wrong place | 05:57 |
| sparr | hmm | 05:57 |
| sparr | bluetooth | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | for rpgs, onscreen buttons on the right hand side | 05:57 |
| sparr | gamepad | 05:57 |
| sparr | nokia 770... | 05:57 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... nokia 770 is the best plataform for homebrew this day | 05:57 |
| sparr | wiimote... | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | or bluetooth keyboard | 05:57 |
| _Monkey | wiimote is a major hassle. | 05:57 |
| sparr | wii classic controller... | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | don't need high speed controls for rpgs | 05:58 |
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| pupnik_ | which is why snes is a better port than genesis atm | 05:58 |
| sparr | is maemo.org account login broken? im getting http auth prompts that always fail | 05:59 |
| Abulafia | sparr, so im not nuts | 05:59 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz | 05:59 |
| pupnik_ | that's the WIP | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | i can log in with one account now, but i used to have problems | 06:01 |
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| sparr | well | 06:03 |
| sparr | can anyone edit the wiki? | 06:03 |
| erstazi | sparr, I can, what needs edited? | 06:03 |
| sparr | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ has a note at the bottom about a broken sources.list, explanation is in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777 | 06:04 |
| sparr | solution is to delete the offending line | 06:04 |
| erstazi | in the wiki? | 06:04 |
| sparr | and to tell people to stop putting invalid repository info on the wiki | 06:04 |
| sparr | yes, first link is to the wiki | 06:04 |
| erstazi | Word of warning? | 06:04 |
| sparr | aye | 06:05 |
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| sparr | where is the maemo menu system stored? tools/utilities/etc | 06:05 |
| sparr | i need to rearrange some of those things, my Extras menu is ridiculously long | 06:05 |
| erstazi | spaetz, its under ~/.osso/ I thought | 06:06 |
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| pupnik_ | oh nice applications.menu | 06:07 |
| sparr | is there an official way to change it? | 06:07 |
| erstazi | sparr, its an xml file | 06:08 |
| erstazi | %gconf.xml | 06:08 |
| sparr | omg | 06:08 |
| sparr | a 1-line xml file | 06:08 |
| sparr | 1x3000+ chars | 06:08 |
| erstazi | sparr, I changed mine with line breaks | 06:08 |
| sparr | does the OS change it back? | 06:08 |
| erstazi | and it still works with line breaks, no loss of performance | 06:08 |
| erstazi | sparr, no | 06:08 |
| sparr | interesting | 06:08 |
| sparr | when the OS adds to it, do you get single long lines? | 06:08 |
| erstazi | sparr, I haven't changed for that | 06:09 |
| Abulafia | mmm ukmp is really nice | 06:09 |
| sparr | what i mean is | 06:09 |
| sparr | when you install something | 06:09 |
| sparr | and Application Manager makes a new entry in the menu | 06:10 |
| Abulafia | if it didnt die when i click on my hebrew folders | 06:10 |
| sparr | how does it play with your changes? | 06:10 |
| erstazi | sparr, I mean I haven't checked for when you add something | 06:10 |
| sparr | ahh | 06:10 |
| sparr | my vi is all screwed up | 06:11 |
| erstazi | use nano | 06:11 |
| sparr | when i insert, the first thing i insert is changed to a space | 06:11 |
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| erstazi | and use this: | 06:11 |
| erstazi | xterm? | 06:11 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 06:11 |
| erstazi | which is the advanced form of xterm | 06:11 |
| erstazi | nano? | 06:11 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ | 06:11 |
| erstazi | sparr, I cannot edit the wiki | 06:12 |
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| erstazi | its not letting me log in | 06:13 |
| erstazi | hello rwhitby | 06:13 |
| sparr | yes, ive got xterm | 06:14 |
| sparr | annoyed that vi doesnt work | 06:14 |
| pupnik_ | backup applications.menu before editing | 06:14 |
| sparr | pupnik_: bah :-p | 06:14 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, oh I did that definitely (: | 06:14 |
| erstazi | sparr, I would just use nano (: | 06:15 |
| erstazi | I only use vi if I ssh to my tablet | 06:15 |
| erstazi | I use nano for if I am on my tablet | 06:15 |
| erstazi | just seems to handle better | 06:15 |
| pupnik_ | i see stuff in applications.menu that arwe uninstalled | 06:16 |
| sparr | i am ssh'd the the tablet | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | i can't remove a submenu - i can remove a main menu entry tho | 06:18 |
| Abulafia | oh god, people who use umpcs and dont know what a umpc is should not talk to me about web 2.0 | 06:23 |
| Abulafia | especially when they complain that it doesnt work and go glassy eyed when i ask if they are running windows xp. | 06:24 |
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| erstazi | haha Luria | 06:26 |
| erstazi | my favorite one is people who still use AOL but have a broadband service | 06:28 |
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| erstazi | they think AOL provides the internet to them | 06:29 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, holy cow that (Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz) is its own file system | 06:37 |
| erstazi | I thought it would install it | 06:37 |
| Luria | "are you slicon valley?" "well, he's israeli, im local and he's german." "right, but are you silicon valley?" | 06:37 |
| Luria | followed by "do you guys blog?" | 06:38 |
| Luria | well, at least they had nice... oh wait, this channel is logged and indexed... never mind. | 06:39 |
| erstazi | haha | 06:40 |
| erstazi | ooo lightning | 06:40 |
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| erstazi | I should shut my computer off even though I have a surge protector | 06:40 |
| Luria | is there a vid capture/streaming app? | 06:40 |
| erstazi | for the n800? | 06:41 |
| erstazi | I know you can stream from slimserver to the tablet | 06:41 |
| erstazi | but I don't know about the reverse | 06:41 |
| Luria | no, other way | 06:41 |
| Luria | using the camera | 06:41 |
| erstazi | I am sure someone did it | 06:41 |
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| sparr | getting my applications.menu beat into shape | 06:45 |
| sparr | whats up with tana_fi_menuname? | 06:45 |
| erstazi | no clue | 06:45 |
| erstazi | I remember seeing it | 06:45 |
| erstazi | xml is suppose to have lowercase elements anyways | 06:45 |
| pupnik_ | The open-source community is its own nation. | 06:46 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, with what laws? | 06:47 |
| pupnik_ | very few. gpl, lgpl etc | 06:47 |
| erstazi | heh | 06:47 |
| Luria | with fatal exceptions | 06:47 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, I got the rootstrap installed in scratchbox | 06:47 |
| erstazi | now comes the emulator or not? | 06:47 |
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| pupnik_ | erstazi: which one? | 06:51 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, well, my guess is that the scratchbox target is configure for different architecture than the rootstrap. | 06:52 |
| erstazi | I selected both arm and both maemo | 06:52 |
| erstazi | I will go through it again | 06:52 |
| erstazi | wait | 06:53 |
| erstazi | [sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > grep SBOX_CPU= /targets/links/scratchbox.config | 06:54 |
| erstazi | SBOX_CPU=arm | 06:54 |
| erstazi | [sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > file /bin/bash | 06:54 |
| erstazi | /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 06:54 |
| erstazi | that says they are the same | 06:54 |
| erstazi | and I should be fine there | 06:54 |
| Luria | anyone able to get skype to go full size thumbboard? | 06:54 |
| erstazi | I did get an error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 06:55 |
| Luria | cause center d-pad is mapper to "enter" and sends text | 06:55 |
| erstazi | and I swore I had gcc | 06:55 |
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| nchntr | anyone around? | 06:57 |
| pupnik_ | grep SBOX_CPU /targets/links/scratchbox.config | 06:58 |
| pupnik_ | SBOX_CPU=arm | 06:58 |
| pupnik_ | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 | 06:58 |
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| nchntr | can anyone help me with mounting a usb harddrive on my nokia770 | 06:58 |
| nchntr | i can mount the partitions in several places /media/ /mnt/ /home/../MyDocs/ and get read access to them, and write access in a root shell, but none of the apps in maemo (file manager, canoe) chave write persmissions | 07:00 |
| nchntr | is there a simnple linux setting im missing? | 07:01 |
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| pupnik_ | mount option user | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | for the standard mount options on vfat see /etc/fstab | 07:03 |
| nchntr | ok ill try that, what about fstab i have tried with user option there (i copied the oem mmc1 line item and modified path and changed nouser to user | 07:03 |
| pupnik_ | you can create an fstab entry with similar options for your usb hard drive | 07:03 |
| nchntr | i did all that, fstab changes dont seem to work | 07:03 |
| pupnik_ | hrm | 07:03 |
| nchntr | after chmod on fstab to write then using both vi and text editor (leafpad) finally got changes to stay boot to boot, but doesnt seem to be having an affect, i still hafta mount with mount command | 07:04 |
| nchntr | whats the syntax for the mount command with user option enabled | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | you are on territory not many people have been on | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | i duno - mount has a big man page :) | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | maybe -o user | 07:06 |
| nchntr | i am currently using mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 | 07:06 |
| pupnik_ | mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir | 07:06 |
| nchntr | im am really a noob to linux (less than a week) other than this all othjer mods have gone well | 07:06 |
| pupnik_ | you learn fast | 07:07 |
| nchntr | :) | 07:07 |
| nchntr | in exchange for sleep ;) | 07:07 |
| sparr | paired my 770 with a wiimote... | 07:07 |
| sparr | 770 rebooted | 07:07 |
| erstazi | nchntr, yeah, I do not know anyone who has attempted this yet | 07:07 |
| sparr | fun | 07:07 |
| erstazi | people spoke of it but I don't recall anyone talking about an existing working external hard drive | 07:08 |
| Darksmurf | nchntr dumb question...did you umount the HD and remount after changes to fstab? lets say you had it mounted as /mnt/hd you would umount /mnt/hd then mount /mnt/hd . If you just specify the mount mount, mount will look in fstab for settings | 07:08 |
| Darksmurf | err.. 'the mount mount' should be ..'mount point' | 07:08 |
| nchntr | i powered down and let it restart | 07:08 |
| Darksmurf | that would do it | 07:08 |
| nchntr | hmm | 07:09 |
| JesseT78 | 'night folks, thanks for ze help, I might be back on tomorrow with more of the bothering. We will see! heh ;) | 07:09 |
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| nchntr | i have changed the locations of my mount a few times | 07:09 |
| erstazi | night JesseT78 | 07:09 |
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| nchntr | mount point compares to mount in what way? | 07:09 |
| erstazi | wb dolske you iphone user! haha | 07:09 |
| pupnik_ | mount -t vfat -o user /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 << does that work? | 07:09 |
| sparr | to use an external hard drive you need the usb hack/dongle, no? | 07:10 |
| dolske | heh, I should remove that. I put in in a few weeks before the iPhone launch to confuse people. :) | 07:10 |
| Darksmurf | dolske ?? | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | you could also try specifying the owner of the filesystem to be the regular nokia user "user" with userid (UID) 29999 and groupid (GID) 29999 | 07:12 |
| erstazi | hello world! got it | 07:12 |
| nchntr | ima try it in a sec, question 1st.. does it matter where i mount it at? i.e. some tutorials say /mnt/ i am using /media/ because thats where the mmc gets mounted.. anyone with linux knowledge know the difference or correctr place? | 07:12 |
| dolske | Darksmurf: my quit message in Colloquy (on a Mac) was "iChat 10.5 [Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) Mobile/1A938a Safari/429.3]" | 07:12 |
| erstazi | pupnik_, thank you, I missed that emulator part | 07:12 |
| pupnik_ | nchntr: shouldn't matter where you mount it | 07:12 |
| pupnik_ | yw erstazi | 07:12 |
| Darksmurf | mount -t vfat /dev/ssda5 /media/usbhd5 tells 'mount' exactly what to do. /media/usbhd5 is the mount point..i.e. where to mount. if you had '/dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 vfat user' in your /etc/fstab and you did a 'mount /media/usbhd5' it would look in fstab to see what settings to use..and your 'user' option would be in effect. | 07:13 |
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| * Darksmurf is looking to see if 'user' is the correct option | 07:13 | |
| * Darksmurf thinks 'man fstab' would have more info | 07:14 | |
| pupnik_ | setting the userid might solve it. here the defaults on the 770 mmc vfat: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 | 07:14 |
| nchntr | is there anything in the interface (maemo) that would keep the appz from writing to certain dirs? i.e. most apps working dirs look to be in /MyDocs/ , Might i have to mount it there to get the maemo apps to have correect access? | 07:14 |
| nchntr | yea i copied that line, but removed the ,utf8,uid=29999 (wasnt sure if ther are device specific (RS-MMC) | 07:15 |
| pupnik_ | the uid could help | 07:15 |
| pupnik_ | that's the other thing yes | 07:15 |
| Darksmurf | agreed | 07:16 |
| pupnik_ | the stupid ol maemo apps don't give you access to the root filesystem | 07:16 |
| erstazi | yeah, it is pretty protected | 07:16 |
| erstazi | I was kind of bummed at first by that | 07:16 |
| nchntr | maybe i should mount inside /.documents/ ? | 07:16 |
| pupnik_ | you could mount to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/myusb for example | 07:16 |
| Darksmurf | .documents? wouldn't that be hidden? | 07:17 |
| pupnik_ | the file browser shows the . directories | 07:18 |
| Darksmurf | ah | 07:19 |
| * Darksmurf doesn't have a tablet yet...its on it's way | 07:19 | |
| nchntr | no luck on mounting in .documents | 07:24 |
| nchntr | also cant get mount to take -o user | 07:24 |
| nchntr | is there a way to give root permissions to apps in Maemo, enable root at startup (is r&d mode only way?) | 07:26 |
| nchntr | it is showing with "mount" command as being mounted as type vfat (rw) | 07:27 |
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| Darksmurf | nchntr tried editing fstab? '/dev/usbdrive /mnt/usbdrive vfat -options here-' then 'mount /mnt/usbdrive' ? | 07:29 |
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| nchntr | yes i have :( | 07:29 |
| nchntr | and it currently mounted in ../.documents/Usb5 | 07:29 |
| Darksmurf | :-( | 07:29 |
| nchntr | as (rw) | 07:30 |
| Darksmurf | w/o a device I can't help | 07:30 |
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| erstazi | hallo rkaway1 | 07:30 |
| nchntr | in xterm in root w/root perm. i can create a dir inside (on it) just all the maemo apps cant write | 07:30 |
| nchntr | oh well, ill overcome eventually :) | 07:31 |
| nchntr | and i can still use my files.. | 07:31 |
| pupnik_ | what happens if you log-in to xterm as user? | 07:31 |
| erstazi | nchntr, what does google say? | 07:31 |
| nchntr | IDK how to login xterm as user | 07:31 |
| pupnik_ | su user | 07:31 |
| Darksmurf | nchntr what do you see as 'ls -l' for the mounted dir? not the contents of it.. | 07:32 |
| nchntr | i see the contents | 07:32 |
| Darksmurf | while in '.documents' do ls -l | 07:32 |
| nchntr | with rw attributes (as root) | 07:32 |
| Darksmurf | who owns it? | 07:32 |
| Darksmurf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 9217 2007-07-30 12:47 a.out | 07:33 |
| pupnik_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 user users 1024 Aug 7 18:32 myusb | 07:33 |
| nchntr | when mkdir as user response permission denied | 07:33 |
| Darksmurf | ok, when you 'ls -l' inside the mount point who owns the files? | 07:34 |
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| Darksmurf | (as root) | 07:35 |
| nchntr | ahhh | 07:35 |
| nchntr | grrr | 07:35 |
| Darksmurf | wha? | 07:35 |
| nchntr | im currently as user | 07:35 |
| nchntr | ls -l shows Usb5 as drwxr-xr-x 5 root root | 07:35 |
| erstazi | hmm | 07:36 |
| Darksmurf | Usb5 is where mounted? | 07:36 |
| nchntr | as root... 1sec | 07:36 |
| Darksmurf | I thought 'myusb' was mount point | 07:36 |
| Darksmurf | you can 'chown user Usb5' to make user own it | 07:36 |
| nchntr | Usb5 inside /home/user/MyDocs/.documents.Usb5 | 07:36 |
| nchntr | last . = / | 07:36 |
| Darksmurf | chgrp users Usb5 | 07:36 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, chown user:users Usb5 | 07:37 |
| erstazi | how did it get mounted under .documents? | 07:37 |
| erstazi | so odd | 07:37 |
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| nchntr | operation not permitted (chgrp) | 07:38 |
| nchntr | shall i switch to root login | 07:38 |
| erstazi | nchntr, do you have becomeroot? | 07:39 |
| Darksmurf | erstazi ahh! | 07:39 |
| erstazi | if so you can just do: sudo gainroot | 07:39 |
| erstazi | and that makes you root | 07:39 |
| Darksmurf | nchntr yeah, you have to do those commands as the owner of the file | 07:39 |
| Darksmurf | erstazi he put it there so he could find it in the maemo apps | 07:40 |
| nchntr | ok so maemo and all apps will be logged in a user | 07:40 |
| Darksmurf | yeah..(I think...) | 07:40 |
| Darksmurf | in fact, I'm sure of it | 07:40 |
| erstazi | oh | 07:40 |
| nchntr | and any directories i make hafta be done as user? or changfed to user | 07:40 |
| erstazi | becomeroot? | 07:40 |
| _Monkey | well, becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 07:40 |
| nchntr | i have become root installed and use sudo gainroot about everytime i use xterm | 07:41 |
| pupnik | you can't chgrp/chown a mountpoint, n00bs | 07:41 |
| erstazi | nchntr, under linux, user is a normal user.. limited abilities | 07:41 |
| erstazi | pupnik, oh duh, because root does the mounting anyways | 07:41 |
| nchntr | so then, if i need to be root to make any changes | 07:41 |
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| nchntr | but then user cant access, i need to enable a root login for maemo? | 07:42 |
| nchntr | ugh.. and i thought all the case sensitive and typing (shell) made linux a pita.. :| | 07:42 |
| pupnik | nchntr: i think you should mount the volume with uid=29999 | 07:43 |
| pupnik | and mount it in MyDocs - that way it belongs to user "user" and all apps should see it and be able to write to it | 07:44 |
| nchntr | with fstab? | 07:44 |
| pupnik | yeah for great justicce | 07:44 |
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| nchntr | ok so i need to delete all dirs and create a new one in /.documents/ (through file manager in maemo) so the dir will be created with user as owner | 07:45 |
| Darksmurf | anyone know how big the 1.4GB vmware image on the wiki expands to? | 07:45 |
| pupnik | i was joking about that n00bs thing btw - i'm clueless about almost everything myself | 07:46 |
| nchntr | then mount with fstab ,user, option and add uid=29999 | 07:46 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I didn't take offense | 07:46 |
| erstazi | normally mounting is automated for me | 07:46 |
| erstazi | rarely do I have to pull out the mount command even on a server | 07:46 |
| nchntr | we are all noob once sometime more than once :) | 07:46 |
| erstazi | I got my hello world app working on the n770 | 07:47 |
| pupnik | maybe i missed it - you have a battery-powered usb drive/ | 07:47 |
| pupnik | >? | 07:47 |
| erstazi | so now I know I got the right setup in scratchbox, I am going to roll | 07:47 |
| pupnik | nice erstazi :) | 07:47 |
| erstazi | and its all thanks to pupnik (: | 07:47 |
| erstazi | the savior of the day | 07:47 |
| erstazi | hell, the week! | 07:47 |
| pupnik | glad to help | 07:48 |
| Darksmurf | good stuff! | 07:48 |
| pupnik | now i want to mount usb drive for fun | 07:48 |
| erstazi | I owe you a beer if I am in Europe (: | 07:48 |
| erstazi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15169 | 07:48 |
| erstazi | USB cable is real inexpensive | 07:48 |
| nchntr | i made one | 07:49 |
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| Darksmurf | anyone know how big the 1.4gb vmware image .tar.bz2 expands to? | 07:49 |
| Darksmurf | I'm at almost 2gb and not even close.. 1 hour in... | 07:49 |
| nchntr | then found out that the targus notebook USB hub $25 @ Bestbuy has one included | 07:49 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, I never had them get bigger than 3gb | 07:49 |
| nchntr | as did the really small 120G usb Maxtor they had onsale for $80 | 07:50 |
| erstazi | but I never installed much on virtual OSes only the essentials | 07:50 |
| erstazi | nchntr, is that what you bought? | 07:50 |
| nchntr | yup | 07:50 |
| erstazi | does it get very hot? | 07:50 |
| nchntr | been running for 3 hours inside a zipped closed 5x4 daily planner and barely warm to the touch | 07:51 |
| erstazi | nice | 07:51 |
| nchntr | needs 2 usb ports for power | 07:51 |
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| erstazi | not bad | 07:51 |
| nchntr | my nokia770 sets ina dash mount w/ usb cable to under passenger seat where daily planner is (with 120g and 4p hub and SD reader) plugs into a dual USB Power port (lighter) i got @ wallyworld $5 :) | 07:52 |
| nchntr | bluetooth GPS + maemomapper + my cell (T-Mobile) works like a charm except for routing an POI, harddrive= huge mo3 collection | 07:53 |
| nchntr | plays through a FM adapter | 07:53 |
| Darksmurf | nice | 07:54 |
| nchntr | and its good the way it is, i can access media files from HD but i really want to be able to drop files there, as i use it to sync with PC (and tivo :D ) | 07:56 |
| Darksmurf | I intend on mounting an nfs share over the net via wifi or cellphone to access more storage. I already stream my music from home. | 07:56 |
| nchntr | i can drop file to and fro my cell phone, dropping to hd is better than syncing with ftp program | 07:56 |
| Darksmurf | can someone ping me? I seem to be having network issues | 07:56 |
| nchntr | when ou get the nfs mounted take notes :) | 07:57 |
| nchntr | i was gonan go that route but a NAS under my seat in my car dont seem as easy as the big USB drive (but faster for sure) | 07:57 |
| Darksmurf | I already do it via a zipit wirelss (think 90mhz arm based linux box. designed to send IM messages. wifi only, small keyboard, small screen). | 07:58 |
| nchntr | i am having inconsistant results with smbrowse and samba.. need to lear how to setup a share from the n770 (another root shell excursion im sure) | 07:58 |
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| Darksmurf | nchntr do you have access to a desktop w/ linux+samba? | 07:59 |
| nchntr | hehe i have an IMFree somewhere Motorola IM device around somewhere | 07:59 |
| Darksmurf | I have one of those also | 07:59 |
| nchntr | only when i boot a knoppix cd | 07:59 |
| nchntr | i have a viewsonic Router/NAS @ home it has samba IDE and USB share, but no time to dig it out and mess with it (after i move on a few months) | 08:00 |
| nchntr | i also got pissed cause you cant set security on it (at least not with the html config) | 08:00 |
| Darksmurf | at least for debian and slackware /etc/samba/smb.conf is VERY well commented. then type 'smbmount' as root and it'll give you an example mount command | 08:01 |
| nchntr | after all my learning with the n770 i may be able to get root access etc.. and change that.. but still need to learn that stuff | 08:01 |
| nchntr | sweet ill dig around there for more info | 08:01 |
| Darksmurf | in /etc/exports I have '/mnt/zipit *(rw)' it exports /mnt/zipit to ANY host w/ read write access. There is NO security...you could access it right now if you wanted. there are other options for exports to set hosts and other stuff. | 08:03 |
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| nchntr | anyone familiar with the app horizon? | 08:03 |
| Darksmurf | then its just another mount command to connect to nfs | 08:03 |
| nchntr | yea just another command (to learn) hehe i have about 6 days of linux experience :o | 08:04 |
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| nchntr | where is the command that give me 36 hours in a day.. 24 just aint 'nuff | 08:05 |
| * pupnik passes around fresh made coffee | 08:07 | |
| nchntr | hehe, too late for that, im on my last hour of the day.. :( | 08:07 |
| nchntr | <-- still @ work | 08:07 |
| pupnik | ah | 08:08 |
| pupnik | if you don't have a job or family, your day can be as long or short as you want | 08:08 |
| erstazi | pupnik, what if you have both? | 08:08 |
| nchntr | its the job that gets me | 08:09 |
| pupnik | then you probably shouldn't even be in IRC :P | 08:09 |
| erstazi | haha | 08:09 |
| nchntr | but i put in 50 hrs a week so they dont complain when im late | 08:09 |
| pupnik | you do admin work at night nchntr ? | 08:10 |
| nchntr | no im at work not working :) | 08:10 |
| nchntr | i work for a metal fabrication shop | 08:10 |
| saaib | is there anything such a thing like a script to help build the maemo SDK enviroment? | 08:11 |
| nchntr | i help run the shop/labor/projects | 08:11 |
| nchntr | and do all the cadd and computer stuff | 08:11 |
| pupnik | ah ok rogers southeast | 08:11 |
| nchntr | im here late cause the facilities are better (cable inet, cable tv and noone around :) ) | 08:11 |
| pupnik | neat | 08:12 |
| * pupnik has metalworking experience | 08:12 | |
| nchntr | it is normal for my dmseg to repeat some aic23 powering down aic23 powering up aic23_init_power() done | 08:13 |
| nchntr | over and over | 08:13 |
| pupnik | saaib: you follow howto? | 08:13 |
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| pupnik | nchntr: that's what i get - dmesg is not so useful by default | 08:13 |
| nchntr | we do architectural and ornamental metal work. | 08:13 |
| pupnik | sounds kinda fun actually | 08:14 |
| Darksmurf | so.. is OS2007 stable/useful enough for general use, or should I stick w/ 2006 (or even 2005)? | 08:14 |
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| nchntr | what auto noauto setting? | 08:15 |
| nchntr | fstab has mmc1 mount as noauto but it does mount automatically | 08:15 |
| pupnik | i tried 2007he but went back to 2006. might play with it again on dual-boot | 08:15 |
| saaib | pupnik, I'm following the Hildon Desktop Portability howto but I'm stuck building hildon_desktop code | 08:15 |
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| pupnik | saaib: to set up stock maemo build environment in scratchbox you do not need to compile anything | 08:17 |
| saaib | I'm totally new to the enviroment, so any pointers are welcome | 08:17 |
| pupnik | you wish to compile and build applications for maemo / Internet Tablet OS? | 08:17 |
| saaib | that's correct | 08:17 |
| pupnik | what is your host operating system on PC? | 08:18 |
| Darksmurf | can anyone else get to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15169 ? | 08:18 |
| saaib | I'll receive my device by friday (hopefully). I'll pretend to work on Fedora 6 | 08:18 |
| nchntr | i can get there darksmurf | 08:19 |
| Darksmurf | thank | 08:20 |
| Darksmurf | s | 08:20 |
| pupnik | scratchbox? | 08:21 |
| _Monkey | scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together | 08:21 |
| pupnik | hrm | 08:21 |
| Darksmurf | what the heck..I can get there from my router..but my desktop | 08:21 |
| saaib | pupnik, I tried to follow up the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial wiki page, but found out that only until I get my device I can download the SDK? then I find that the Hilton Dekstop should allow me to start without having the device. | 08:21 |
| saaib | If I try to download the SDK it prompt for the table MAC, so I don't have it yet | 08:22 |
| pupnik | ah i think nokia must restrict downloads of the rootfs to device owners | 08:22 |
| nchntr | does the devices mounted is fstab show up in the mount command list? | 08:23 |
| pupnik | all mounted devices should show up | 08:23 |
| Darksmurf | saaib I wanted to have a look at the rootfs, but I ran into the same problem | 08:24 |
| saaib | pupnik, is there any way for me to start coding using Maemo enviroment without having to wait for the device? | 08:24 |
| nchntr | so the mmc listing (last one) is the one from the default fstab (line 1) not a mount command issued later ? in start up seq. | 08:24 |
| pupnik | saaib: good question - there was a vmware image with scratchbox but i don't remember if it contains the maemo rootfs | 08:24 |
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| nchntr | ok so then it must be something in the fstab line it dontlike :( | 08:25 |
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| pupnik | if you mount /path/to/your/new/mountpoint it should look-up that mountpoint and report any errors to commandline | 08:26 |
| saaib | Darksmurf, do you code on maemo? | 08:26 |
| nchntr | is there a mountpoint command also? | 08:26 |
| Darksmurf | saaib I'm in the same boat as you..waiting on the device | 08:26 |
| nchntr | where did you order it from? | 08:27 |
| saaib | buy.com | 08:27 |
| erstazi | vnc works :) | 08:27 |
| Darksmurf | saaib I'm unpacking the vmware image pupnik mentioned...I've still got 45min to go. I'll let you know what I find. | 08:27 |
| erstazi | saaib, I got mine from buy.com as well | 08:27 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, scratchbox works as well but I am doing the torrent as well | 08:28 |
| Darksmurf | ditto | 08:28 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, actually, you are leeching from me | 08:28 |
| erstazi | I am done | 08:28 |
| nchntr | i got mine from tigerdirect | 08:28 |
| saaib | hehe I guess we're all in the $144 dlls range :) | 08:28 |
| Darksmurf | erstazi ?? I didn't think I used the torrent.. | 08:29 |
| erstazi | saaib, I paid $129 | 08:29 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, ah, I did | 08:29 |
| saaib | erstazi, how long ago? | 08:29 |
| pupnik | unique311: multipac pac-man emu sourcecode (fast, with sound) for gp32 http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/download.php?multipac%201.0%20source.rar | 08:29 |
| unique311 | cool... | 08:30 |
| pupnik | http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/ <- screenshot | 08:30 |
| erstazi | saaib, um... a few weeks ago | 08:30 |
| erstazi | saaib, why? | 08:30 |
| unique311 | working on a flash games package.. | 08:30 |
| nchntr | i paid $140 + $42 for 2year accidental coverage | 08:30 |
| erstazi | saaib, I did the "sign up for googlecheckout" and I did with a new google username (: | 08:30 |
| unique311 | place the folder on mmc1 or 2 | 08:30 |
| unique311 | bookmard the index.html | 08:31 |
| trevarthan | finally added a song position view to Kagu! https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/309 | 08:31 |
| unique311 | and enjoy flash games and apps | 08:31 |
| saaib | erstazi, ah! got it | 08:31 |
| pupnik | sweet trev - audio book fans will adore that | 08:31 |
| trevarthan | One big step closer to having nice audio book support on the n800! | 08:31 |
| erstazi | saaib, even though I have a few google accounts already (: | 08:31 |
| pupnik | heh | 08:31 |
| saaib | erstazi, lol, well you got to do whatever you got to do to get it cheaper | 08:31 |
| erstazi | what about speech to text? any open source and light weight and easily hildonized? | 08:32 |
| erstazi | saaib, sometimes, I did the free shipping and it came in 3 days, when they said 5-8 days | 08:32 |
| erstazi | so I was happy | 08:32 |
| trevarthan | yeah, gonna do this ticket soon. like. tomorrow: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/26 | 08:32 |
| pupnik | erstazi, i only know of the CMU Sphinx Group Open Source Speech Recognition Engines. | 08:32 |
| erstazi | I am looking to port a speech to text | 08:32 |
| milhouse | ah just posted a comment on itt for you mr. trevarthan | 08:33 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: check out the voxforge project. | 08:33 |
| nchntr | i got a 1gig RS-MMC from surpluscomputers.com <$20 fwiw | 08:33 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: they use the Julius engine. it's better than CMU, IMO. | 08:33 |
| erstazi | voxforge... interestante | 08:33 |
| saaib | erstazi, I've been checking a lot the status of the shipment. | 08:33 |
| Darksmurf | nchntr thanks for the link | 08:34 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: oh no. you aren't yelling at me for my crappy looking Kagu UI too, are you? | 08:34 |
| milhouse | not at all :) | 08:34 |
| erstazi | unique311, did you get that psd working? | 08:34 |
| erstazi | for trevarthan | 08:34 |
| unique311 | long time ago.. | 08:34 |
| erstazi | ok good | 08:34 |
| saaib | mhh. I tried one speech recon software along with the firecracker (X10) a couple years ago... I'll try to get the reference from my old pc | 08:34 |
| milhouse | but i am a bit concerned about how the ui eats cpu cycles all the time :( | 08:34 |
| unique311 | just have to make new icons | 08:34 |
| unique311 | bluetooth icons | 08:35 |
| erstazi | haha | 08:35 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: i think you mentioned something about pygame being the culprit... | 08:35 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: valid question. I'll explain in the thread. | 08:35 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: ta. hopefully something can be done about it in the long term, the ui stealing cycles from a2dp (or other activities) is a bit of a bummer not really the "nokia internet tablet" way | 08:36 |
| Abulafia | trev, im sorry, i dont know why, but i cant replicate my error with the scanner | 08:36 |
| Abulafia | it didnt work when i wanted to demo it, and then when i wanted it to not work... | 08:37 |
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| nchntr | ok this doesnt make sense... where can i add a mount command line to some kinda startup | 08:41 |
| saaib | nchntr, what about fstab? | 08:41 |
| nchntr | it seems (since i boot from MMC that there are all sorts of mounted devices and dirs, but my fstab only has the rootfs and mmc1 (in oem form) | 08:41 |
| pupnik | in linux normally one adds a line to /etc/fstab and it mounts automagically with proper options - maybe not a good idea for the usb drive which will not always be connected | 08:42 |
| nchntr | im starting to agree, but the MMC technically isnt always there either | 08:42 |
| saaib | nchntr, what about autofs? | 08:42 |
| nchntr | i have /dev/mmcblk0p2 as the 2nd part. on my MMC it is ext2 | 08:43 |
| nchntr | it gets mounted but not in the fstab (or am i looking at the wrong fstab?) | 08:43 |
| saaib | nchntr, mounted devices should be shown in mtab | 08:44 |
| saaib | cat /etc/mtab | 08:44 |
| Darksmurf | I think the kernel can tell when a card has been inserted and removed. It can tell when the cover is open. | 08:44 |
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| nchntr | where else can i mount a device without using fstab | 08:44 |
| nchntr | is there a startup sequence file or something | 08:44 |
| nchntr | script? | 08:45 |
| saaib | nchntr, /etc/rc.local ? | 08:45 |
| sparr | maemo mapper is going to sell me a bluetooth gps unit... | 08:45 |
| saaib | nchntr, you might want to write a script to check up availability of the usb device before trying to mount it | 08:45 |
| nchntr | where would i put that script? idk linux well | 08:46 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: check the thread. response posted. | 08:47 |
| saaib | nchntr, the easier will be to use autofs package to automount the usb device when needed, but a simple dummy daemon could do it and you can start that script from /etc/rc.local | 08:47 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: checking... :) | 08:47 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: long term, I want to separate Kagu's front and back end components so that we can have the PyGame frontend *and* a GTK frontend. For users concerned with CPU usage, the GTK frontend will be the obvious solution. | 08:48 |
| nchntr | cant find /etc/rc.local | 08:48 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: short term, well, I describe that in the thread. | 08:48 |
| milhouse | what other alternatives are there to pygame? | 08:48 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: 3, currently, that I'm aware of | 08:49 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: 1.) GTK | 08:49 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: 2.) EFL (Canola will be using this in the next release) | 08:49 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: 3.) Web interface and javascript/AJAX. I'm not opposed to this either. | 08:49 |
| trevarthan | erm... | 08:50 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: 4.) CLI frontend. | 08:50 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: some options then, but i guess a significant amount of retooling? | 08:51 |
| trevarthan | I don't have time to code all of those myself, so if we want to see some of those in practice then Kagu is going to need help. I hope to lay out the foundation though. | 08:51 |
| nchntr | alright time for some ZzZ's im outtie, thanks for everyons help and suggestions tomorrow is another day | 08:51 |
| trevarthan | yeah. retooling is a good word for it. | 08:51 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: sounds fair enough... see how efl looks in canola | 08:51 |
| milhouse | what about the openmoko widgets - they were gtk weren't they (i install the demo, seemed ok) | 08:52 |
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| Darksmurf | 2 hours 4min to unpack vmware image...4.17GB | 08:53 |
| trevarthan | :) "looks" is so misleading. Anything can "look" excellent. even GTK can be themed. That's a function of the graphics artists behind a project. Of which we currently have none (but unique311 is stepping up there!) | 08:53 |
| trevarthan | I'm not 100% sure about that. I *think* they're GTK widgets. | 08:53 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: you saw how the widget became invisible during fast scrolling. | 08:53 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: yes, it certainly wasn't perfect | 08:54 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: I personally prefer the responsiveness of the pygame scroll widget, but yeah, it'd be nice to try. | 08:54 |
| trevarthan | We don't need a scroll widget to do a GTK frontend though. | 08:54 |
| milhouse | the only problem i have with the kinetic scrolling is that it sometimes jumps up/down which i think is due to it "locking" on to it's final resting position | 08:54 |
| trevarthan | And we probably won't have one the first time around. | 08:54 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah. I call it "snapping". | 08:55 |
| trevarthan | It's confusing? | 08:55 |
| Darksmurf | so I see a (modified) tux next to what could be a pda type device... w/ a status bar in vmware..what exactly is loading? Is this just the distro, or is it part of maemo? | 08:55 |
| milhouse | not confusing, but erm.. unattractive? | 08:55 |
| trevarthan | ah. | 08:55 |
| milhouse | i'm not sure what to suggest as an alternative, but i wish it didn't do it! :) | 08:56 |
| trevarthan | funny. some people bitched about the *lack* of snapping on the GTK widget. | 08:56 |
| milhouse | i think if you got rid of the OK button, you probably wouldn't need it to snap would you? | 08:56 |
| pupnik | Darksmurf: does the pda device type window have a globe in the upper-left-hand corner? | 08:57 |
| sparr | are there any semi-mature alternate interfaces for the 770? openbox, gpe, etc? | 08:57 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I could always make it an option. Snapping is necessary while we keep the OK button. But once I get rid of that, we're free to do away with snapping too. | 08:57 |
| pupnik | openbox works somewhat | 08:57 |
| milhouse | exactly and milhouse will be happy :) | 08:57 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik no, now it has reverted to text console "Reading files needed to boot...." | 08:57 |
| Darksmurf | I guess it was the base OS | 08:57 |
| unique311 | trevarthan, not sure if I even come close to being a graphics artist....I like playing with photoshop. | 08:57 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I'll keep that in mind. remind me if I forget once the OK button goes away (probably not for another release or two) | 08:57 |
| unique311 | been drawing all my life though | 08:58 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: will do my best :) | 08:58 |
| milhouse | this made me laugh: http://www.whatmobile.net/forumvb/showthread.php?p=204981#post204981 | 08:58 |
| trevarthan | unique311: that's ok. your work is very very very appreciated. I've been getting harrassed on ITT for lack of a decent theme. You're helping with that, so I'm very grateful. | 08:58 |
| pupnik | http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/maemo/maemo-hildon.jpg Darksmurf, this is what the 'desktop' looks like | 08:59 |
| trevarthan | Alright gents, I've got to get some sleep. Night folks. | 08:59 |
| pupnik | cu | 08:59 |
| unique311 | the OK button...want a descent looking check icon? to replace that | 08:59 |
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| milhouse | cya trevarthan | 08:59 |
| unique311 | peace | 09:00 |
| trevarthan | unique311: yeah, that sounds good. cya. | 09:00 |
| milhouse | unique - is it worth glyphing up the ok button if it's going to go away within a release or two? | 09:00 |
| milhouse | just my opinion on time/effort/resources etc. :) | 09:00 |
| qgil | Anybody fluent in pidgin for maemo irc usage? I'm trying to make the font smaller so i can see a wider range of conversation but i don't find the way | 09:01 |
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| milhouse | don't have it installed right now... i guess the zoom keys have no effect? | 09:03 |
| milhouse | @qgil | 09:03 |
| sparr | anyone here use maemo mapper? | 09:04 |
| qgil | Mno milhouse | 09:04 |
| sparr | im curious if it might be worthwhile to add an option to decrease the color depth for downloaded maps | 09:04 |
| sparr | dropping google maps from ~256 colors to ~16 colors cuts the filesize in half | 09:05 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik so I'm in the so called 'Scratchbox enviroment" in the vmware image. It poped up another X server. Is there a way to start the nokia GUI? Or can I just view standard apps? | 09:06 |
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| qgil | There is font configuration under tools but seems to be for your outgoing text in IM, not to decide whether you want to see others texts in big or smaller fonts | 09:07 |
| qgil | The app is neat though. A bit unstable still. | 09:07 |
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| milhouse | qqil: yes. just re-installing pidgin then i'll root around to see if it's got any config files which might be ripe for editing | 09:07 |
| pupnik | Darksmurf: standard operating procedure in the scratchbox environment to start the GUI is export DISPLAY=:2 and run af-sb-init.sh | 09:07 |
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| qgil | Thx milhouse | 09:09 |
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| pupnik | "A computer without microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard." - Unknown | 09:12 |
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| Darksmurf | perfectly fine | 09:12 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik thanks for the help...headed to bed | 09:13 |
| pupnik | ok cheers! | 09:13 |
| milhouse | qgil - you can change the conversation font | 09:17 |
| sparr | where can i find info on how ~/.osso/menus/application-menu and /etc/others-menu/* interact? | 09:17 |
| saaib | ! [ -d /mnt/usb ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb; while true; do for usb_dev in $(grep sd[a-z][0-9] /proc/diskstats | awk '{print $3}'); do mounted=$(grep /dev/${usb_dev} /etc/mtab | wc -l | awk '{print $1}'); [ $mounted -eq 0 ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb/${usb_dev} && mount /dev/${usb_dev} /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; [ -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount ] && rm -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount && umount /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; done; sleep 10; done | 09:18 |
| milhouse | qgil: go to the buddy list, open the app menu -> Tools -> Preferences | 09:18 |
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| milhouse | qgil: Conversations tab, then untick "Use font from theme" and choose your preferred font in the font choose (font family, style and size etc.) | 09:19 |
| milhouse | qgil: click close, and any *new* conversations will use your new font - existing conversations continue to use the old theme font | 09:19 |
| milhouse | qgil: NewCourier/Regular/12 point works quite well | 09:21 |
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| qgil | Milhouse i have tried that but i seem to be getting the same font | 09:30 |
| milhouse | even with new conversations? | 09:30 |
| sparr | seems odd that there would be near 10MB worth of garbage media in Documents by default | 09:30 |
| qgil | Let me restart... | 09:30 |
| * sparr deletes | 09:31 | |
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| milhouse | and do you have the latest version of pidgin installed? | 09:31 |
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| qgil | milhouse: ahahà now it works! | 09:33 |
| qgil | Weird | 09:33 |
| milhouse | odd, no need to restart pidgin here, although the new font only takes effect in _new_ conversations | 09:33 |
| saaib | pupnik, in terms of start developing a test app (not looking at the maemo UI), any pointers? Every page that talks about detting development enviroment requires the SDK. It's odd | 09:34 |
| milhouse | ie. you need to exit/rejoin chats to pick up the new font | 09:34 |
| milhouse | i'm running pidgin 2.1.0 here btw (latest version) | 09:34 |
| qgil | Ah ok, i didn't try exit/rejoin | 09:34 |
| qgil | Anyway, works4me now (and the sound ping sounds loud enough) :) | 09:35 |
| milhouse | :) | 09:35 |
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| guardian | morning | 10:06 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:06 |
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| tigert | morning people | 10:13 |
| pupnik | keep the home fire burning... | 10:15 |
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| disq | morning | 10:30 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:30 |
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| disq | _Monkey: logs are at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 10:44 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 10:44 |
| pupnik | logs? | 10:44 |
| _Monkey | logs are at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 10:44 |
| MikaT | Hi. Does anyone know if its possible to get conbtdialogs-dev package (from Nokia binaries) to Maemo 3.2? | 10:49 |
| MikaT | Looks like it is removed since 3.1 according to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/content_comparison.html | 10:50 |
| MikaT | I need to compile a certain SW in 3.2 that is developed with earlier Maemo. | 10:51 |
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| `0660 | might be more sensible to implement it with the new preferred way | 10:53 |
| `0660 | and easier... | 10:53 |
| MikaT | Yep, that's what I'm afraid of:) | 10:55 |
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| unique311 | ok | 10:55 |
| unique311 | place the folder in mmc1 or 2 | 10:56 |
| unique311 | inside it you will find index.html | 10:56 |
| unique311 | run it | 10:56 |
| unique311 | bookmark it | 10:56 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1503325-ae5 | 10:56 |
| MikaT | `0660: Do you know anything about that package and what is used to replace it? I know nothing yet about that conbtdialogs-dev | 10:56 |
| unique311 | play all types of flash game via the web browser | 10:57 |
| `0660 | no, i haven't used it | 10:58 |
| unique311 | the package is 26MB of flash goodness..well stuff to pass the times. | 10:59 |
| unique311 | minigolf is fun. | 11:00 |
| pupnik | i bet flash is a lot faster on the 800 | 11:01 |
| unique311 | well the particular games and apps work well on the N800 | 11:01 |
| pupnik | the 770 can play hamster dance, and badger mushroom | 11:01 |
| unique311 | i doubt 770 users will have issues with my package | 11:01 |
| pupnik | i'll test | 11:01 |
| unique311 | cool | 11:02 |
| unique311 | spent a good amount of time on it..I do not know html. Thank god for dreamweaver. | 11:02 |
| pupnik | homestarrunner is a bit too slow on the 770 | 11:02 |
| unique311 | don't have that. | 11:03 |
| unique311 | all the games in this package i made sure were running really good... | 11:04 |
| unique311 | the ones i did download that were slow..i got rid of them | 11:04 |
| pupnik | http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html | 11:04 |
| unique311 | found a descent pac-man while at it | 11:04 |
| unique311 | the other seven downloads. can you please let me know what needs to be fixed, likes and don't likes.. | 11:07 |
| pupnik | ok i got stuck on homestar again | 11:07 |
| unique311 | kinda annoying.. | 11:08 |
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| unique311 | i was viewing it with my notebook.. | 11:08 |
| pupnik | i don't remember how long that email has been going on - long time | 11:08 |
| pupnik | sbemail4.html ruled for the temple of apshai reference | 11:09 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, sbemail.html runs on the N800 | 11:14 |
| pupnik | yeah it's pretty strange stuff | 11:15 |
| pupnik | too slow on 770 though | 11:15 |
| unique311 | you have flash9 with the new firmware right? | 11:16 |
| pupnik | 2006se here | 11:16 |
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| pupnik | whoah 27MB | 11:17 |
| pupnik | idiot me dumped it onto home | 11:17 |
| unique311 | no | 11:18 |
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| unique311 | mmc1 or 2 | 11:18 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:18 |
| unique311 | just bookmark index.html when you run it the first time.. | 11:18 |
| pupnik | ok | 11:18 |
| pupnik | doesn't want to untar on 770 | 11:20 |
| pupnik | untars fine on PC though | 11:20 |
| unique311 | tarred it with 7zip... | 11:20 |
| unique311 | might be the issue | 11:20 |
| pupnik | file ../MFlash.tar | 11:21 |
| pupnik | ../MFlash.tar: tar archiv | 11:21 |
| pupnik | ok | 11:21 |
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| zuh | Anyone got a sane (preferrably direct) link for that? Divshare gave the file once to me but it was aborted and now it doesn't give it anymore... | 11:25 |
| pupnik | wow lots of stuff | 11:25 |
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| saaib | does the 770 (2006) includes glibc 2.5? I'm trying to figure out which one to download from scratchbox | 11:26 |
| pupnik | why are you downloading glibc. that's in your root fs | 11:26 |
| unique311 | zuh | 11:27 |
| unique311 | hold on | 11:27 |
| unique311 | zuh, http://www.divshare.com/download/1503325-ae5 | 11:28 |
| unique311 | try again | 11:28 |
| saaib | pupnik, scratchbox-toolkit-cs###-glibc-arm and glibc-i386, that's on the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial page | 11:28 |
| unique311 | if it fails..i'll upload it to another site | 11:28 |
| saaib | but scratchbox has glibc-arm|i386 and glibc-2.5-arm|i386, which one should i use? | 11:29 |
| unique311 | i think it failed because alot of people were downloading it | 11:29 |
| unique311 | the lurkers | 11:29 |
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| pupnik | i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm for 2.2 / gregale | 11:34 |
| pupnik | gravityball too slow, cubecrash doesn't display anything | 11:36 |
| unique311 | zuh, is it working? | 11:37 |
| pupnik | blix works ok except for end | 11:37 |
| unique311 | i have another link | 11:37 |
| unique311 | danm | 11:37 |
| unique311 | danm | 11:37 |
| unique311 | danm | 11:37 |
| unique311 | sucks | 11:37 |
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| unique311 | maybe its a 2006HE only think | 11:37 |
| unique311 | i need more input | 11:37 |
| saaib | pupnik, and the glibc version in the filesystem what version it is? | 11:38 |
| unique311 | hmm, myabe i should try it in the opera browser also.. | 11:38 |
| pupnik | apt-cache show libc6 | 11:38 |
| pupnik | Version: 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4.osso18 | 11:38 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:39 |
| AD-N770 | rainy day in Barcelona | 11:39 |
| pupnik | same here - i should be outside working | 11:40 |
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| AD-N770 | Where are you pupnik ? | 11:40 |
| pupnik | near frankfurt germany | 11:40 |
| * pupnik will work in afternoon | 11:40 | |
| pupnik | browser crash | 11:41 |
| AD-N770 | I'm at work now :) | 11:41 |
| unique311 | cubecrash is slow.. | 11:41 |
| pupnik | this was on that blix game | 11:42 |
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| unique311 | gravityball is playable on here... | 11:43 |
| unique311 | blix also | 11:43 |
| pupnik | i'll make some notes in a textfile | 11:43 |
| saaib | pupnik, thanks! | 11:43 |
| pupnik | yw saaib :) | 11:43 |
| saaib | we've nice weather lately... sometimes a little host | 11:44 |
| saaib | s/host/hot/ | 11:44 |
| infobot | saaib meant: we've nice weather lately... sometimes a little hot | 11:44 |
| unique311 | zuh, http://boxstr.com/files/5875/MFlash.tar | 11:44 |
| unique311 | if divshare doesn't work | 11:44 |
| milhouse | bug 972 comment 3 | 11:45 |
| _Monkey | Bug 972 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972#c3 | 11:45 |
| greygoo | moin | 11:45 |
| milhouse | that sounds like good news for the future | 11:45 |
| zuh | unique311: thanks | 11:50 |
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| zuh | unique311: I got it now | 11:51 |
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| unique311 | cool | 11:56 |
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| madam | hello all; i'd like to embed JavaScript into one of my applications. can you help me finding a suitable interpreter library? i can't find prepackaged any. | 12:24 |
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| konttori | how about webkit | 12:26 |
| madam | konttori: do you mean https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemowebkit ? | 12:27 |
| florian | good morning | 12:28 |
| konttori | yeah | 12:28 |
| konttori | maybe you want to strip it from unnecessary stuff, but that should have pretty good javascript lib. | 12:29 |
| konttori | anyway, just an idea | 12:29 |
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| madam | konttori: maybe i'm just being blind, but garage sais they haven't released any files, am i looking in the wrong direction? | 12:31 |
| konttori | well, I think you could just take the original webkit as well. Or wait for them to release (or contact them) | 12:31 |
| florian | hi mallum | 12:33 |
| mallum | hello florian | 12:33 |
| madam | hmm, thanks anyway. do you happen to know how it compares to the JS library of Mozilla (libmozjs) ? | 12:34 |
| milhouse | webkit for maemo can be built out of the webkit svn, apparently | 12:35 |
| milhouse | see this mailing list discussion which has some links to the webkit.org svn: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/25399#25399 | 12:36 |
| pdz | http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ | 12:39 |
| milhouse | nice... with svg suppor too | 12:40 |
| milhouse | s/suppor/support/ | 12:40 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: nice... with svg support too | 12:40 |
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| saaib | time to sleep, g'nit all | 12:48 |
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| milhouse | new version of microb available in app manager... seems to install ok on top of the original release... not noticed any bug fixes or improvements (but then I thought the original was pretty good) :) | 13:03 |
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| disq | i can't install the new microb, it depends on microb-engine | 13:05 |
| disq | should ask timeless when he's around | 13:05 |
| roope | it's strange to spot texrat walking down with qgil our offices. :) | 13:06 |
| disq | :) | 13:07 |
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| konttori | roope: is texrat a helsinki resident these days? | 13:12 |
| roope | no, he's just visiting. | 13:20 |
| konttori | ahh... just wondering. He's been such a visible character at the internettablettalk | 13:22 |
| roope | yeah. :) | 13:27 |
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| konttori | omg. apple has finally launched numbers. sweet. | 13:30 |
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| roope | the new imac design is a bit off, imho. it looks like an old 80's television. with the "surureunat", black edges. | 13:31 |
| konttori | I agree. Also, no audience reaction in the launch event. | 13:31 |
| roope | And the "Jay Leno chin" still down at the bottom. :) | 13:31 |
| konttori | It's like a no-news item | 13:31 |
| konttori | ;) | 13:31 |
| roope | Yeah, the video ... There's really a power in getting a fanatical crowd to watch those events. | 13:31 |
| roope | That was presented really somewhere else, to non-fans. | 13:32 |
| pupnik | apple did a deal with intel though :( boo | 13:32 |
| roope | It makes a bit difference. To hear the claps after every sentence. | 13:32 |
| konttori | Anyway, nice hardware upgrade and might look better when I see it live, but the presentation one didin't look that good. | 13:32 |
| konttori | OTOH the BT keyboard looks like one I might switch to. | 13:32 |
| pupnik | i think apple is tired of underdog cpus | 13:32 |
| roope | Jobs even held some pauses, waiting for applause. | 13:32 |
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| konttori | true. Well, he got a few, but probably not in the places he was expecting them. | 13:33 |
| konttori | Numbers really looks like a 'smart' way to use spreadsheets. | 13:34 |
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| greygoo | oh, apple presented new stuff? | 13:43 |
| greygoo | I only owna macbook, but its enough for me to not wanna touch apple stuff again | 13:43 |
| greygoo | since > 6 updates they just don;t get the powermanagement work reliable :( | 13:44 |
| konttori | yeah, apple launched new imac and ilife | 13:44 |
| konttori | and iwork | 13:44 |
| greygoo | mh, nice for their targetgroup | 13:44 |
| greygoo | i really was fascinated by the iphone, until i got facts about it ... that was when i bought the n800 ;) | 13:45 |
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| pupnik | i'm surprised how much crosstalk there is between iphone and n800 markets | 13:50 |
| guru3 | im waiting for openmoko | 13:57 |
| gla55_ | any recent news on that? | 14:02 |
| gla55_ | i'm not too intrested in openmoko untill they have a device with decent featureset.. | 14:02 |
| guru3 | the developer edition is out | 14:02 |
| guru3 | mass market edition in october | 14:02 |
| guru3 | that one will mave more storage, better cpu, and wifi | 14:03 |
| gla55_ | yeah but that was old news | 14:03 |
| guru3 | that's all i know | 14:04 |
| guru3 | i just am interested in it | 14:04 |
| gla55_ | and just adding wifi doesn't quite cut the featureset to decent | 14:04 |
| guru3 | ive been using the same phone for over 4 years now | 14:04 |
| guru3 | any phone is an improvement | 14:04 |
| gla55_ | heh | 14:04 |
| guru3 | in the meantime i use a 770 | 14:06 |
| guru3 | so it's all ok | 14:06 |
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| gla55_ | i just prefer 3g over wifi quite a bit | 14:07 |
| guru3 | im not that fussed myself | 14:08 |
| gla55_ | hsdpa rocks | 14:08 |
| guru3 | the reason my phone is so old now is because i hardly ever use it | 14:08 |
| gla55_ | compared to edge, and has several advantages over wifi.. like being available | 14:08 |
| guru3 | a moko would be more like a toy than a phone really | 14:08 |
| gla55_ | a greenphone would be more like a toy at this point too :\ | 14:09 |
| guru3 | i think that'd be even more of a toy than a moko | 14:10 |
| guru3 | but i don't really know anything about it so that's first impression | 14:10 |
| guru3 | anywho, g2g | 14:11 |
| pupnik | a cell phone is what an employer pays me extra for to be able to reach me when a server goes down | 14:12 |
| pupnik | alternatively what a girlfriend pays for to be able to nag me | 14:13 |
| gla55_ | greenphone seemed quite nice tbh. but, boring featureset as a phone in this day and age(so, suck for personal use. and no market at least yet for apps so nogo profession wise) | 14:15 |
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| lardman | morning | 14:28 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 14:28 |
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| dubdibdub | do you already know that tut?? | 15:05 |
| dubdibdub | http://tinyurl.com/22gh7q | 15:05 |
| pupnik | hi lardman | 15:05 |
| dubdibdub | hi there | 15:05 |
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| guardian | is there an os 2007 theme repository somewhere ? | 16:04 |
| pupnik | you can get the debs for the stock 2007 themes | 16:07 |
| guardian | which repository should i use for that ? gonna try in sdk | 16:08 |
| pupnik | the bora repos | 16:08 |
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| pupnik | if you are using os2006 you can search the web for themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb | 16:10 |
| guardian | "apt-cache search theme" doesn't return such themes-os07 package :( | 16:11 |
| guardian | although i have repository.maemo.org bora configured | 16:11 |
| pupnik | in it2006 with mistral/gregale repos i see osso-theme-theme1 - Color variation 1 them etc | 16:12 |
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| guardian | hmm | 16:16 |
| guardian | well i browsed 3.2 packages | 16:16 |
| guardian | found nothing | 16:17 |
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| guardian | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/ | 16:17 |
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| amr | in canola how can i remove a tracks entry | 16:18 |
| amr | for some reason its found a track that isnt there | 16:18 |
| amr | and of course errors trying to play it | 16:18 |
| lsobral | amr, you can go to canola-conf and push the rescan button to update the file entries | 16:20 |
| amr | ah, ty | 16:20 |
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| guardian | tigert: by chance, do you know if there are debs for the n800 themes ? | 16:24 |
| tigert | which themes? | 16:25 |
| tigert | the official themes are not freely available, but plankton exists as deb, but it is not yet compatible with the latest release | 16:26 |
| tigert | I need to fix it a bit | 16:26 |
| tigert | sorry about the delay :/ | 16:26 |
| disq | we miss plankton | 16:26 |
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| konttori | Hey, kudos for the nokia mozilla browser developer. The updated version seems and feels much nicer than previous one. | 16:29 |
| guardian | does it happen to you: when i launch my app in armel sdk (with qemu) i notice a big lag at the very beginning | 16:30 |
| guardian | then it's smooth | 16:30 |
| guardian | tigert: yes the official themes, why not providing debs when one can bother taking the files out of the device ? | 16:31 |
| disq | it didn't happen to me in mistral. I don't use qemu-armel anymore, I just cp over the binaries and use the device. | 16:31 |
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| guardian | also i never try to debug with armel/qemu, does it work ? | 16:32 |
| guardian | never tried | 16:32 |
| disq | dont really remember | 16:32 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: at ukmp you just play videos on fullscreen right ? | 16:33 |
| disq | i think i couldn't get it to work and used intel target to debug instead | 16:33 |
| konttori | yeah | 16:33 |
| konttori | using mplayer | 16:33 |
| konttori | basically just a call to mplayer | 16:33 |
| tigert | guardian: they come with the device anyway | 16:34 |
| tigert | guardian: so what use would they be separately? | 16:34 |
| disq | tigert: scratchbox perhaps? | 16:35 |
| tigert | well, plankton is imho much nicer theme *cough* | 16:35 |
| disq | doesn't it still has the fugly it2005 theme | 16:35 |
| tigert | it has plankton afaik | 16:35 |
| tigert | at least it will have | 16:35 |
| tigert | since the ugly 2005 theme is no more, plankton took its place | 16:35 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: yeah...I'm having problems playing videos (w/ mplayer) on a given wid (when I go to fullscreen and come back...xv crashes) | 16:35 |
| guardian | tigert: checking the look & feel of my app in the sdk | 16:35 |
| konttori | do you have 770? | 16:36 |
| disq | btw have you checked out kagu? you should :) | 16:36 |
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| kulve_ | guardian: it's pretty easy to copy the theme from the device to sdk.. | 16:36 |
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| MoRpHeUz | konttori: daniel stone talked about this on the list some time ago... | 16:36 |
| guardian | indeed it's easy | 16:36 |
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| guardian | apt-get install is even easier | 16:36 |
| kulve_ | sure | 16:36 |
| konttori | so, the problem is related to one vid? | 16:36 |
| konttori | If that is the case, it sounds like it's a crash bug in mplayer | 16:37 |
| konttori | and as such, you should contact serge and send the vid to him to test | 16:37 |
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| MoRpHeUz | konttori: no..any vid...serge talked with dstone sometime ago on maemo-dev about this...serge was saying it was a bug on xv e dstone saying it was on mplayer hehe | 16:38 |
| tigert | guardian: yeah | 16:38 |
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| tigert | guardian: but yea, currently they are part of the branding and thus not part of the sdk | 16:38 |
| konttori | ahh... sounds nasty. which firmware do you have? | 16:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: the fact is that if you run mplayer and go to fullscreen and go back it doesnt crash...but if you give a xid with -wid then we have the problem =( | 16:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: last one.... | 16:38 |
| konttori | -wid ... what's that? | 16:39 |
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| konttori | oh, you mean like playing in an app window? | 16:39 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: exactly | 16:40 |
| konttori | ahh... all right. I'm getting it now. Sounds really annoying. | 16:40 |
| konttori | also, sounds like a mplayer problem, as the default player is able to work that way. | 16:40 |
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| konttori | Hmm... I wonder if that applies to only gtk windows or also to sdl windows. | 16:41 |
| konttori | because if it works in sdl, I might add that to the next version of ukmp. | 16:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: yeah..good point...I'm using gtk windows.. | 16:42 |
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| konttori | So, how should I call mplayer? | 16:48 |
| konttori | what should be in the -wid ? | 16:48 |
| konttori | Just the application name or what? | 16:48 |
| konttori | ahh... it's actually an id. How can I get it? | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | Hmmm nice: http://www.atoker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit2.png | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | And this webkit browser even does SVG.. http://www.atoker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit3.png | 16:52 |
| guardian | which repository should i configure, to get cairo in the sdk , | 16:56 |
| guardian | ? | 16:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: using gtk ? | 16:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: it's the window id | 16:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | konttori: objects that have property "window.xid" | 16:57 |
| konttori | disq: were you asking me about kagu? | 16:58 |
| disq | konttori: no :) it got mixed up i guess | 16:58 |
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| disq | i was asking tigert | 16:58 |
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| konttori | ahh.. cool. | 17:02 |
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| William_W | Why do i get: mount: Mounting 192.168.1.18:/home/pub on /media/nfs failed: No such device | 17:06 |
| William_W | When i try to mount my NFS-server on my Nokia 770 | 17:06 |
| William_W | /media/nfs does exist | 17:06 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks | 17:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | hi | 17:22 |
| _Monkey | que tal, MoRpHeUz | 17:22 |
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| NeoStrider | _Monkey? | 17:22 |
| _Monkey | NeoStrider? | 17:22 |
| NeoStrider | hahahhahah | 17:23 |
| NeoStrider | Who would know that Beryl acually helps me debugging my SDL game | 17:23 |
| NeoStrider | it makes it slower, just like it would be on the tablets | 17:23 |
| erstazi | hi NeoStrider | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | hello erstazi | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | whats up? | 17:25 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, not too much, do you package for maemo at all? | 17:25 |
| NeoStrider | yeah...sure...but using MaemoWizard | 17:26 |
| erstazi | ah | 17:26 |
| erstazi | how do you set a maintainer's name when using dh_make? i have the parameter -e youremail@domain.com but there isn't a maintainer's name parameter, also should I prepend to the email address my name? | 17:27 |
| NeoStrider | control file? | 17:29 |
| NeoStrider | let me check here | 17:29 |
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| NeoStrider | yeah | 17:30 |
| NeoStrider | control file | 17:30 |
| NeoStrider | "Maintainer: Daniel Monteiro <daniel_on_go@yahoo.com.br> " | 17:30 |
| NeoStrider | (from angstron) | 17:30 |
| erstazi | hmm | 17:31 |
| erstazi | ok | 17:31 |
| erstazi | I guess I will have to do that after I run dh_make | 17:31 |
| NeoStrider | thats what I do... | 17:32 |
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| erstazi | NeoStrider, I am porting PocketSphinx | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | what is it | 17:36 |
| NeoStrider | ? | 17:36 |
| erstazi | so far, all that I see that it depends on is Sphinxbase | 17:36 |
| erstazi | speech to text... so I can just speak into the nokia instead of tapping | 17:36 |
| erstazi | I think I found out where the input methods are stored | 17:36 |
| erstazi | I am going to read up tonight and see if I can add it as a method if this all works | 17:37 |
| |tbb| | that would be cOOl | 17:38 |
| erstazi | now to automate the adding of an input method, that would be nice | 17:40 |
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| NeoStrider | erstazi: but the binaries do work? | 17:50 |
| bluehash | erstazi: how much did you get your n800 for | 17:51 |
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| NeoStrider | got to go | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | lunch | 18:10 |
| NeoStrider | hope erstazi get the voice thing to work | 18:10 |
| erstazi | bluehash, I have a 770 | 18:12 |
| erstazi | NeoStrider, I had to run to the shop for a second, I haven't installed anything yet | 18:12 |
| erstazi | I have some down time from svn'ing and vnc'ing my work | 18:12 |
| NeoStrider | ah ok...you want a second 770 for testing purposes, count on me | 18:12 |
| NeoStrider | well | 18:12 |
| NeoStrider | cya! | 18:13 |
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| erstazi | bluehash, and I hear amazon has great deals on n800 | 18:16 |
| erstazi | don't buy on ebay, most of the people bidding do not realize the prices of other places that have the n800 for sale | 18:16 |
| erstazi | hello bipolar, shackan, bergie, klausade | 18:18 |
| bergie | hi | 18:18 |
| erstazi | and hello * (everyone else) | 18:18 |
| erstazi | how are yinz today? | 18:18 |
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| ajturner | hrm, trying to update my N800 - when I plugin the USB and then the charger - my desktop says "USB device found found at bus 005, device address 035" | 18:24 |
| ajturner | and then drops back to a prompt - without updating | 18:25 |
| erstazi | ajturner, I have a 770 so I am sorry | 18:26 |
| erstazi | there might be something on itt forums or maemo talking about that | 18:26 |
| ajturner | bergie should know! | 18:27 |
| ajturner | :) | 18:27 |
| bergie | ajturner: what OS are you using to flash? | 18:27 |
| ajturner | ubuntu | 18:28 |
| ajturner | leenox | 18:28 |
| ajturner | have you done it yet on your laptop? | 18:28 |
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| bergie | I've always flashed from Mac | 18:29 |
| ajturner | there is a flasher on the mac? | 18:30 |
| bergie | yeah | 18:30 |
| erstazi | ajturner, there is | 18:30 |
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| ajturner | for 3.0? | 18:30 |
| erstazi | ajturner, ubuntu has a flasher as well | 18:30 |
| erstazi | well | 18:30 |
| ajturner | erstazi: I'm aware of that, which is where I'm stuck | 18:30 |
| erstazi | not just ubuntu | 18:30 |
| bergie | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ | 18:30 |
| bluehash | erstazi: Thanks | 18:30 |
| ajturner | I only see the flasher-2.0 for mac | 18:30 |
| ajturner | bergie: that will work with 2007? | 18:31 |
| bergie | I think it does... I used it to update my N800 at least | 18:31 |
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| erstazi | ajturner, I think its just flashing for OS2006 | 18:32 |
| erstazi | so you will have OS2006 | 18:33 |
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| erstazi | hi solmumaha and greentux | 18:33 |
| ajturner | erstazi: depends on the image I throw at it - what is not clear is how it will handle a 2007 image, but bergie sez it'll work | 18:33 |
| erstazi | ajturner, that is true | 18:33 |
| erstazi | can't hurt to try it | 18:33 |
| ajturner | erstazi: are you sure it can't? | 18:33 |
| erstazi | ajturner, that would seem fishy, I wouldn't do it myself, I prefer a stable method | 18:34 |
| ajturner | erstazi: which goes back to my original q | 18:34 |
| erstazi | ajturner, can you clarify your issues with using flasher 3.0 on ubuntu | 18:34 |
| erstazi | ajturner, I am on ubuntu myself but I do not have a n800 | 18:34 |
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| erstazi | ajturner, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux (look at Flashing the Nokia N800) | 18:36 |
| ajturner | erstazi: I followed those instructions, and this is what happens: | 18:37 |
| ajturner | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 18:37 |
| ajturner | USB device found found at bus 005, device address 035 | 18:37 |
| ajturner | ajturner@marchhare:~/Desktop$ | 18:37 |
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| ajturner | it drops out, and never did the update | 18:37 |
| ajturner | I even tried the perl patch at the bottom | 18:37 |
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| erstazi | ajturner, now, try it again | 18:39 |
| erstazi | run through the whole sequence again | 18:39 |
| ajturner | what? | 18:39 |
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| erstazi | ajturner, follow Flashing the Nokia N800 again from the url I listed | 18:41 |
| erstazi | and see if we can get this to work again | 18:41 |
| ajturner | erstazi: why would it be diff't the third time I gry? | 18:41 |
| ajturner | try | 18:41 |
| erstazi | ajturner, there might be a method to this madness! | 18:41 |
| erstazi | haha | 18:41 |
| ajturner | you haven't explained a method yet | 18:42 |
| erstazi | I am assuming you tried this: N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-butto | 18:42 |
| erstazi | s/Home-butto/Home-button | 18:42 |
| ajturner | yes, assuming the home button is the one with the icon of the house on it | 18:42 |
| erstazi | yes | 18:43 |
| ajturner | there, 6 times - no change | 18:43 |
| erstazi | hmm | 18:43 |
| erstazi | ajturner, you have a mac? do you have windows? | 18:44 |
| erstazi | those are your other sources | 18:44 |
| erstazi | I never heard anyone having a problem with running this flasher on ubuntu | 18:44 |
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| ajturner | erstazi: I have all 3 - however, the only instructions referring to 2007 use the Flasher-3.0 which is linux only | 18:45 |
| erstazi | ajturner, nokia's website has a windows flasher | 18:45 |
| erstazi | maemo is where the linux flasher is | 18:45 |
| Darksmurf | so I just started the scratchbox enviroment on the vmware image. I got the maemo gui. but the control panel, etc is empty. How would I go about installing apps? From the console apt-get? | 18:45 |
| erstazi | Darksmurf, you can do it that way | 18:46 |
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| Darksmurf | is there a way for me to get the 'real' control panel, etc? I'm just trying to see what the OS is like, not develop - yet. I havn't gotten my device yet. | 18:48 |
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| erstazi | Darksmurf, I am not sure with the vmware image, I would suggest just installing all that, it should be on maemo | 18:49 |
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| erstazi | Darksmurf, I would help more but I am working at the moment | 18:49 |
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| Darksmurf | no problem thanks | 18:49 |
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| tso | i guess it could be my spotty wifi but has anyone had hit&miss like behaviour using uktube on a 770? | 19:19 |
| erstazi | tso, sometimes | 19:21 |
| erstazi | right now I have a DNS issue to resolve with my router | 19:21 |
| tso | hit it with a hammer until it either behaves or stops working fully... | 19:22 |
| erstazi | heh | 19:22 |
| erstazi | actually, I think its now just Opera | 19:22 |
| erstazi | going to verify | 19:22 |
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| tso | if its opera on the 770 your having issues with i can relate. given how good the opera on a desktop is, the opera on the 770 is just insane... | 19:23 |
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| tso | i sure hope someone backport the webkit or mozilla stuff to 770 | 19:23 |
| erstazi | opera is alright for the desktop | 19:23 |
| erstazi | tso, minimo? | 19:23 |
| erstazi | minimo? | 19:23 |
| _Monkey | minimo is probably (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ | 19:23 |
| erstazi | tso, I got bored one night so I added _Monkey with response bait | 19:24 |
| tso | i looked into getting minimo installed but well... | 19:24 |
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| erstazi | haha | 19:24 |
| tso | allways fun | 19:24 |
| erstazi | IRC works on 770 | 19:25 |
| tso | heh, rebuilding the software collection after reflashing the device (application manager started having issues) is a fun experience. had forgotten about the maemo-hacker.org stuff until i went to install pidgin | 19:25 |
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| erstazi | now to see if the browser will give me what I want | 19:25 |
| erstazi | tso, do you know about sources.list? | 19:25 |
| erstazi | /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:26 |
| tso | nope :( | 19:26 |
| erstazi | ok | 19:26 |
| tso | ah | 19:26 |
| erstazi | well I have a sources.list for you: http://c-wd.net/sources.list | 19:26 |
| erstazi | basically, do you have xterm installed? | 19:26 |
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| erstazi | hi jyro | 19:26 |
| jyro | hi | 19:27 |
| _Monkey | privet, jyro | 19:27 |
| tso | im impressed by the number of protocols that pidgin supports | 19:27 |
| erstazi | tso, yeah, I still use gaim | 19:27 |
| erstazi | xterm? | 19:28 |
| _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 19:28 |
| erstazi | tso, if you get that xterm installed, then becomeroot | 19:28 |
| erstazi | then you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list | 19:28 |
| erstazi | ok, links and links2 work | 19:31 |
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| tso | woho, minimo didnt like me using the finger keyboard... | 19:38 |
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| tso | ok, for all the bugs in opera, i still prefer it. on on-screen drag, issues with the finger keyboard, and not respecting the full screen button?! | 19:44 |
| tso | hmrf, i guess i should have looked closer at some stuff... | 19:45 |
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| sparrw | the first time i sync with a new bluetooth input device, my 770 reboots. then it works fine. | 19:48 |
| sparrw | the first time my boss ran the OMWeather applet, ditto. | 19:48 |
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| Darksmurf | so whats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image? | 19:55 |
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| milhouse | bug 1682 - that's how nokia should use bugzilla!!! :) | 20:27 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1682 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682 | 20:27 |
| milhouse | (thanks timeless) | 20:27 |
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| maddler | evening all... | 20:43 |
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| Justin | hi! I'm writing a little app with pygtk, should I be trying to get a gtk.Dialog to be fullscreen, or should I be making a modal gtk.window? | 20:44 |
| tso | any way to sync gpe calendar with a phone? | 20:44 |
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| RobHu | Is there a howto somewhere on how to use the flasher to put the 2007 OS on a SD card in the N800? I already have a boot menu thing to ask if I want to boot from flash or internal ram. | 20:47 |
| milhouse | putting os 2007 on sd is pretty much the same as putting os 2006 on mmc | 20:48 |
| RobHu | I can't remember what switch I need for the flasher | 20:49 |
| RobHu | to say use the internal mmc | 20:49 |
| milhouse | i thought you said you had the boot menu installed? | 20:49 |
| RobHu | I did that *ages* ago when the n800 came out ;-) | 20:49 |
| RobHu | My memory is not so good | 20:49 |
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| RobHu | milhouse: Do you know how to do it? | 20:51 |
| milhouse | the flasher way or boot menu way? | 20:51 |
| RobHu | errr | 20:51 |
| RobHu | I have the boot menu | 20:51 |
| RobHu | and I just got a new sd card | 20:51 |
| RobHu | I was hoping I could use the flasher to put the OS on the flash card and walk away | 20:51 |
| milhouse | if you have the boot menu, choose the 3rd option down | 20:51 |
| milhouse | no, that won't work | 20:51 |
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| milhouse | you can't install the OS on to the SD card using flasher | 20:52 |
| RobHu | the third option is flash card (internal) | 20:52 |
| RobHu | ah | 20:52 |
| RobHu | I need to go out fairly soon so I'll just flash it normally and worry about making it work on the internal sd card later | 20:52 |
| RobHu | thanks for the help | 20:52 |
| milhouse | np | 20:52 |
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| Darksmurf | whats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image? | 20:59 |
| Darksmurf | (scratchbox that is) | 21:00 |
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| guardian | do you use xnvserver on the device ? i find it slow :( | 21:17 |
| erstazi | guardian, I have used it before | 21:17 |
| erstazi | I used vncviewer | 21:17 |
| erstazi | and xvncserver is ok to view the tablet from a pc | 21:17 |
| erstazi | the server lets a remote connection to view whats on the tablet | 21:18 |
| erstazi | the vncviewer lets you view other desktops and use | 21:18 |
| guardian | i'm running this server on the tablet http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 21:18 |
| guardian | but it's a bit slow | 21:18 |
| erstazi | yes | 21:19 |
| erstazi | are you connecting to the tablet from a pc? | 21:19 |
| guardian | i wonder if it's because of wifi or because the n800 is not powerful enough | 21:19 |
| guardian | yeah from a pc | 21:19 |
| erstazi | what client are you using on the pc? | 21:19 |
| guardian | what comes with ubuntu :) | 21:19 |
| guardian | just typed vncviewer in command line | 21:19 |
| erstazi | ok | 21:19 |
| guardian | would usb network be faster than wifi ? | 21:19 |
| erstazi | what ip address are you connecting to? | 21:19 |
| erstazi | guardian, no | 21:19 |
| guardian | the ip of the n800 | 21:19 |
| erstazi | are you using wireless G or B? | 21:19 |
| erstazi | yes | 21:20 |
| guardian | it's registered in dhcp | 21:20 |
| guardian | so i just type vncviewer n800 | 21:20 |
| erstazi | ok | 21:20 |
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| erstazi | what you might need to do is change the color depth and the resolution | 21:20 |
| erstazi | what screen resolution did you choose? | 21:20 |
| guardian | where ? | 21:20 |
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| erstazi | the color depth can be 8 and not 16 or whatever the n800 has | 21:20 |
| erstazi | guardian, Applications > Internet > Terminal Server Client | 21:21 |
| guardian | i changed nothing to the server, since it's just clicking extras>x11vnc | 21:21 |
| erstazi | guardian, you have to change the settings in the client | 21:21 |
| guardian | ok | 21:21 |
| erstazi | a color depth of 16 or 24 is a lot to transfer | 21:21 |
| guardian | testing | 21:22 |
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| guardian | well not that better | 21:23 |
| guardian | screen refresh is still slugish | 21:23 |
| erstazi | let me try some settings | 21:24 |
| erstazi | do you have rdesktop installed? | 21:24 |
| guardian | specially when the mouse is moving fast | 21:24 |
| guardian | yes i guess so | 21:24 |
| erstazi | guardian, sudo apt-get install rdesktop on your ubunu | 21:25 |
| erstazi | s/ubunu/ubuntu | 21:25 |
| guardian | it's installed | 21:25 |
| erstazi | ok | 21:26 |
| erstazi | I believe thats the same as the Terminal Server client | 21:26 |
| erstazi | but I am going to give you a command | 21:26 |
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| erstazi | guardian, rdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS | 21:28 |
| erstazi | anything in caps need changed to your settings | 21:28 |
| erstazi | you can change IPADDRESS to n800 | 21:29 |
| erstazi | it should work | 21:29 |
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| guardian | i don't have rdesktop server on the device | 21:30 |
| erstazi | you don't need it | 21:30 |
| erstazi | x11vnc will work with it | 21:30 |
| guardian | doesn't work | 21:30 |
| erstazi | rdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -p YOUPASSWORD -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS | 21:30 |
| erstazi | I forgot -p | 21:30 |
| guardian | with vncviewer i don't need any user/pass | 21:31 |
| erstazi | ah | 21:31 |
| erstazi | hmmm | 21:31 |
| erstazi | I don't run vncviewer through terminal on ubuntu, I use the actual GUI | 21:32 |
| erstazi | and it should have settings to alter the color depth and resolution | 21:32 |
| guardian | well | 21:32 |
| erstazi | also if force bitmap updates is set | 21:32 |
| guardian | with terminal server client | 21:32 |
| guardian | i don't need to specify user pass as well | 21:32 |
| erstazi | hmm | 21:32 |
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| guardian | isn't usb networking faster ? | 21:34 |
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| erstazi | guardian, I am not sure, but honestly, I use VNC every day, its a fact of life with that being slow | 21:39 |
| erstazi | if you can get the display colors or color depth down to 8 (it will only be 256 colors then) you will see an improvement | 21:40 |
| erstazi | there will always be a lag, its just a fact of things | 21:40 |
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| erstazi | if you can look into NX, I would use it | 21:40 |
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| erstazi | guardian, http://nomachine.com | 21:40 |
| erstazi | they have versions for *nux | 21:40 |
| guardian | an nxserver on the device would be nice | 21:41 |
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| erstazi | guardian, I am not sure if they have nxserver for ARM arch and debian | 21:45 |
| erstazi | they are closed source but NX client works nicely on ubuntu as well | 21:45 |
| erstazi | I have had to use it a few times | 21:45 |
| guardian | i recently tried the new shadow session | 21:46 |
| guardian | but keyboard layout is badly fucked up | 21:46 |
| guardian | was not usable | 21:46 |
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| erstazi | guardian, I vnc'ed to my nokia 770, I was able to type into xterm but not anything else with my pc's keyboard | 21:50 |
| erstazi | the command line needs tweaking and if I wasn't working I would mess with it more | 21:50 |
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| erstazi | I need to get a plug in for the keyboard though | 21:52 |
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| milhouse | ooh... new mplayer on garage just released by serge | 22:04 |
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| milhouse | PNG and JPG support added to mplayer - good for kagu? | 22:05 |
| milhouse | and ALSA sound output | 22:05 |
| zaf | hi guys, quick question, i'm sure it's a FAQ, but does the 770 run all the same software as the 800? | 22:05 |
| milhouse | kind of | 22:06 |
| milhouse | depends | 22:06 |
| zaf | getting a 404 at http://maemo.org/faq/faq.html | 22:06 |
| milhouse | maybe | 22:06 |
| milhouse | the answer is yes, in most cases | 22:06 |
| erstazi | zaf, most of the time, there are apps that run on both, but I have found that no, there are some apps that will not | 22:06 |
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| milhouse | s/most/many/ | 22:07 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: the answer is yes, in many cases | 22:07 |
| erstazi | zaf, scratchbox has became a friend to me (: so I like to port | 22:07 |
| erstazi | zaf, I would stick to a good sources.list so you don't have to keep downloading through the browser | 22:07 |
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| zaf | just seeing how cheap the N770s are, and wondering if it's worth a new toy ;) | 22:08 |
| erstazi | zaf, I have a 770 | 22:08 |
| erstazi | zaf, and I am not upset with buying it | 22:09 |
| zaf | how's the keyboarding? | 22:09 |
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| erstazi | zaf, do you like tapping a screen or teaching it to do handwriting? | 22:09 |
| zaf | prolly prefer tapping | 22:09 |
| zaf | my handwriting is bad | 22:09 |
| erstazi | zaf, you can teach it your handwriting, its pretty good implementation | 22:10 |
| zaf | if it can learn my handwriting, it's smarter than me | 22:10 |
| erstazi | zaf, I have a syndrome called doctor's handwriting | 22:10 |
| erstazi | but I am not a doctor | 22:10 |
| zaf | yeah, my grandfather was a Dr, and i inherited that trait from him | 22:10 |
| erstazi | also you can ssh to it or vnc to your nokia | 22:11 |
| zaf | nice | 22:11 |
| zaf | hoping to use it as an ssh client mostly | 22:11 |
| zaf | is the 800 just faster? | 22:11 |
| erstazi | zaf, if you buy one, I have a pretty decent sources.list and there are many apps we can suggest to you to download and install | 22:11 |
| zaf | cool | 22:12 |
| erstazi | zaf, I would assume it is, especially being a newer model a year and a half later | 22:12 |
| zaf | is it a usb host, or just device? | 22:13 |
| erstazi | what do you mean usb host precisely? | 22:13 |
| zaf | can you plug usb devices into it? | 22:13 |
| erstazi | oh | 22:13 |
| erstazi | you can plug usb devices into it | 22:13 |
| zaf | neat | 22:14 |
| erstazi | some people hook up keyboards, harddrives, etc | 22:14 |
| erstazi | the hard drive part is complex but the keyboard isn't | 22:14 |
| erstazi | I would suggest a bluetooth keyboard though | 22:14 |
| erstazi | really, it just breaks down to do you want to spend $130 or $330? | 22:14 |
| zaf | yah | 22:15 |
| r4sput1n | for doing 770 development, would I be better off using scratchbox 0.9.8/maemo 2.0 or scratchbox 1.0.7/maemo 2.2? | 22:16 |
| erstazi | r4sput1n, do you have the latest updates? | 22:16 |
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| erstazi | r4sput1n, I use latter myself | 22:17 |
| erstazi | s/use latter/use the latter/ | 22:17 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: r4sput1n, I use the latter myself | 22:17 |
| r4sput1n | I have the latest stable OS update for the 770 | 22:17 |
| erstazi | then I would use the latter | 22:17 |
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| erstazi | r4sput1n, scratchbox is great (: | 22:18 |
| r4sput1n | have you tried using the laika plugin for eclipse? | 22:18 |
| erstazi | no | 22:18 |
| timeless | where do bugs about hildon go? | 22:19 |
| timeless | which bug tracker? | 22:19 |
| timeless | gnome, bugs.maemo, or something else? | 22:19 |
| erstazi | hildon is part of gnome | 22:19 |
| r4sput1n | erstazi: thanks | 22:19 |
| erstazi | r4sput1n, no problem (: | 22:19 |
| erstazi | r4sput1n, don't give in easy! | 22:19 |
| erstazi | timeless, I would say gnome | 22:19 |
| timeless | ok, find me the component in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi | 22:20 |
| timeless | and i'll file it there | 22:20 |
| erstazi | timeless, want me to make it appear there haaha | 22:20 |
| timeless | erstazi: you can't find it either :) | 22:21 |
| X-Fade | Is there anyone with a IT-2005 OS Nokia 770 still around? I need something tested :) | 22:22 |
| timeless | x-fade: um, i have access to a bunch of 770s | 22:22 |
| timeless | i can flash... | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Just need the browser identification string :) | 22:22 |
| timeless | hrm, um | 22:23 |
| timeless | i might be able to cheat on that | 22:23 |
| X-Fade | I have a few 770's but they are all 2006.. | 22:23 |
| erstazi | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=hildon ? | 22:23 |
| trevarthan | milhouse, if you're around, you might be interested in this: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/317 | 22:23 |
| milhouse | hello | 22:24 |
| milhouse | really? | 22:25 |
| milhouse | do you mean that change or another one? | 22:25 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: that one. speeds up AVRCP commands. | 22:26 |
| timeless | how complete does it need to be? :) | 22:27 |
| milhouse | ah, cool | 22:27 |
| timeless | Mozilla/%s (%s; U) Opera 8.02 | 22:27 |
| milhouse | that's forward/back via the bluetooth headset? | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, and pause. | 22:27 |
| milhouse | i'll have to give that a go... will that be in kagu 1.0.3? | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | sure will. | 22:27 |
| timeless | that's from pe2 | 22:27 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: hopefully we'll release this Sunday. | 22:27 |
| milhouse | marvelous. did you see serge has released a new mplayer with jpg/png/alsa support? | 22:27 |
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| * timeless is having trouble finding flashes | 22:28 | |
| X-Fade | timeless: I think the only thing I need is the browser number.. | 22:28 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, I instigated that. | 22:28 |
| timeless | so the 8.02 is sufficient? | 22:28 |
| ajturner | interesting, someone from Dallas is trying to hack into my itt forum account | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | timeless: like 0.4.31 or 0.4.34 | 22:28 |
| timeless | x-fade: is that from the ui? | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: slowly working toward making A2DP easy for people on the n800. :) | 22:29 |
| milhouse | cool - let me know when/if any script changes are required and i'll update my a2dp-for-dummies install script | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Nope.. those 2 were 2006. | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | timeless: yeah, I guess so. | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: does your script install mplayer? | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Both are Opera 8.02 | 22:29 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: yes, it will | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | An I think 2005 had 8.02 also? | 22:29 |
| trevarthan | OK. Well, that mplayer release will hit maemo.org soon, if it hasn't already. You'll need to make sure the user has at least version .18 | 22:30 |
| timeless | so it seems | 22:30 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: but assuming you can use the latest version from serge i'll update it to check the version and install only if necessary | 22:30 |
| timeless | i'm just using edit.com on libopera.so :) | 22:30 |
| timeless | it was faster than trying to find the download site :) | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: yeah. I'll be removing the binary from my site in a few days. | 22:30 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: i guess mplayer should be pulled from garage rather than your site? | 22:30 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: should be pulled from maemo.org, not garage. once it hits maemo.org, that is. | 22:31 |
| * timeless tries running the flasher | 22:31 | |
| milhouse | trevarthan - yes, that makes life easier... can remove the wget mplayer-* entirely | 22:32 |
| trevarthan | it's too bad AVRCP doesn't include seek commands. that would be handy | 22:32 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I doubt that there are many people still on OS2005, but ... | 22:33 |
| timeless | ok, flashing | 22:33 |
| _Monkey | flashing is headache enough, why make it worse | 22:33 |
| timeless | it'll take 2mins | 22:33 |
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| * timeless can't make heads or tails out of this stuff | 22:34 | |
| timeless | flashed.. | 22:35 |
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| timeless | x-fade: i can't /msg :( | 22:40 |
| timeless | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en] N770/SU-18_0.2.2005.51-1_PR | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Hmm strange.. 2006 doesn't mention the exact flash version, but 2007 and 2005 do? Weird.. | 22:42 |
| timeless | consistency is a virtue | 22:42 |
| X-Fade | timeless: this is a mistral one: | 22:43 |
| timeless | (we're not virtuous) | 22:43 |
| X-Fade | Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en_GB] Maemo browser 0.4.34 N770/SU-18 | 22:43 |
| sparrw | what kind of streams can the maemo audio player play? | 22:43 |
| sparrw | is there a good list i can get somewhere? | 22:43 |
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| timeless | url visited? | 22:44 |
| milhouse | sparrw - nokia.com? | 22:44 |
| milhouse | sparrw - i think the various formats are listed in the tech specs for both 770 and n800 | 22:44 |
| erstazi | X-Fade, do you mean macromedia flash? | 22:45 |
| timeless | "flash" usually refers to flash memory | 22:45 |
| timeless | to flash is to rewrite the flash memory w/ alternate system software | 22:45 |
| timeless | flash is a semi persistent storage | 22:45 |
| erstazi | timeless, depends on the context | 22:45 |
| timeless | erstazi: assuming the context is the one between x-fade and me atm :) | 22:46 |
| erstazi | timeless, I suppose so (: | 22:46 |
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| timeless | x-fade: did that log work? | 22:47 |
| erstazi | howdy jnettlet | 22:47 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: Yeah, I think I have enough now.. | 22:50 |
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| timeless | hrm, i broke my emulator | 22:53 |
| erstazi | is it not fun breaking things? | 22:55 |
| timeless | erstazi: when a single newline in a config file means your machine doesn't boot.. | 22:56 |
| timeless | it kinda sucks | 22:56 |
| timeless | s/config/xml config/ | 22:56 |
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| jnettlet | hey erstazi | 22:58 |
| _Monkey | erstazi is probably noticing some people use vmware | 22:58 |
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| erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi | 23:16 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi | 23:16 |
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| erstazi | hi Luria and twogood | 23:18 |
| Luria | yo | 23:19 |
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| timeless | hi dolske | 23:28 |
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| * dolske waves | 23:28 | |
| dolske | Did a new MicroB come out, or am I just slow to update? I checked last night and get a 0.6, but didn't see any mention of it anywhere... | 23:29 |
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| dolske | disq: ah, I'll have to look again. | 23:32 |
| disq | dolske: i think that's 0.6 tho | 23:33 |
| Darksmurf | disq I don't think so. | 23:33 |
| Darksmurf | I'm not sure of the name :-( | 23:33 |
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