IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-08-08

Dea1hey - estazi - many thanks - although ill probably be back on here again regularly00:00
erstaziDea1, I try, I am new to scratchbox myself00:00
erstaziDea1, I think if a few more people contribute, then more people will be jumping on getting these tablets (:00:01
Dea1quick qestion - do these binaries include the nokia emulator or is that a separate install?00:01
erstazimmm I am not sure about that, I read about the emulator and what not00:01
erstaziI believe the devkit is that, but I haven't gotten further than that00:01
erstaziDea1, all I know is, I was following this part:
Dea1yeah - the N770 is great, although not a lot of people get what its about - im in the UK and use it a lot - we have mobile 3G so with my nokia phone its great for surfing websites on the move00:03
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erstaziDea1, I use my n770 to even place phone calls and vnc to my work00:05
erstaziI even do some programming by tapping the keyboard heh, though its a rarity,... I prefer to ssh to the n77000:06
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erstazihello hyph_n00:06
hyph_nhi there00:06
hyph_nlast time i was here i had a problem00:07
Dea1im using my n770 to manage Windows Server 2003 (rdp) - wish it had eyboard input though00:07
hyph_nthen my n770 bricked with a white screen00:07
hyph_nso... got my money back & ordered another one00:07
hyph_nno white screen so far...!00:07
hyph_nDea1: i think i've seen something that allows u to connect a bluetooth keyboard to the n77000:08
erstazihyph_n, did you upgrade it with the latest updates? were you in red pill mode when it white screened? (haha the white screen of death)00:08
erstaziyeah there are quite a few compatible bluetooth keyboards00:08
erstazithere is a list somewhere00:09
erstazilet me search00:09
hyph_nerstazi - i had reflashed it.... hadn't even got close to the red pill thingy!00:09
hyph_nanway, got another problem with the replacement... very very very poor wifi reception!00:09
erstazihyph_n, hmmm00:09
hyph_n1 inch (2cm) from the Access Point and the BEST i can get is 50%...!00:10
erstaziyou have a n770 currently right?00:10
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hyph_nthe previous one (while it worked) had great reception00:10
erstazihyph_n, do you know where control panel is?00:10
erstazifollow me there00:10
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erstazihyph_n, sorry00:12
erstazidistraction (kids)00:12
erstaziback though00:12
hyph_nlol - know what u mean!00:12
erstazihyph_n, ok, double tap connections or connectivity or whatever it is00:13
hyph_nerstazi, my gut feel is that the internal antenna is no connected... (?)00:13
erstaziin the control panel00:13
erstaziclick the middle connection button00:13
erstaziare you on the nokia right now online?00:13
erstazior are you on a pc?00:13
hyph_nniether - i'm on a Mac ;-)00:14
erstaziok godo00:14
erstazinow select your *normal* connection and then verify that you are using wlan and then select next00:14
erstaziwhat security method are you using?00:14
hyph_n(yes i know, but i have an Apple Newton that doen;t support WPA)00:15
erstaziwhat type of wep encryption? 128bit?00:15
erstaziI have to use WEP because I don't want to buy a new router00:15
hyph_n13 char ascii00:15
erstaziok same here00:15
erstazianyhow, click next to the end and select advanced00:15
erstazithere is an "other" tab00:15
hyph_ndone - the power is 100mw00:15
erstaziselect that and tell me what you see for a WLAN transmission power00:15
erstaziwonder if its the router00:16
erstaziapple newton is a tower right?00:16
erstazinot a laptop?00:16
hyph_npowerbook G400:16
hyph_nand a MacBook (intel)00:16
erstazihow is the wireless on those?00:16
erstaziI wonder if its the router00:16
hyph_ni can also connect OK with a Palm TX00:16
hyph_nall with good range00:17
erstazithere must be something talking about that00:17
erstaziI notice that myself00:17
erstaziits usually positioning of other items00:17
erstazilike there is a microwave on the other side of the wall where my router is00:17
erstaziand we have 5.8ghz phones that don't bother the router but 2.4ghz does00:18
hyph_nthe odd thing is, that my previous n700 worked ok00:18
erstazihave you tried switching the channels for your router?00:18
hyph_ni haven't00:18
erstaziI don't know if yours supports it or not00:18
erstazibut the laptops and n770 will recognize the new channel00:18
hyph_nbut i get the same problem in the office (i'm the Sys Admin there00:18
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hyph_ni think the unit is foobar00:19
erstaziI would call customer service00:19
hyph_ni'm going to tomorrow00:19
erstazihyph_n, keep me informed though00:19
erstazithis might happen to mine haha00:19
hyph_nno probs00:19
erstaziand honestly, these 770's can take a beating00:19
hyph_nas a side note, someone else in the office (one of my staff) is also getting a n70000:19
erstaziI have dropped this tablet more than I have with any cell phone and its working great (thanks to no harddrive)00:19
hyph_ni'll see what his is like in the same environment00:20
Dea1just to let you guys know (if youre in the US) that a company ( was selling new 770 in the UK for 70GBP. Theyre all gone now, but you may find a few on!!!00:20
hyph_nDea1: i just got mine from there00:20
Dea1:) ok then00:20
hyph_nIf you search you can get a 770 + 1GB rsmmc for only a few quid more..!00:21
Dea1yeah - i missed that one00:21
erstaziDea1, has it for 63 guid00:21 also have them00:21
Dea1bought one for my girlfriend too - she loves it (which is strange cos she hates technology)00:21
erstazimy wife is jealous of my nokia00:22
Dea1is us based?00:22
erstazishe won't admit it, but I see it in her eyes00:22
hyph_nloving the screen - makes a great ebook reader!00:22
erstaziDea1, you might have to pay a customs tax I am not sure00:22
erstazithey offer payment in many different currencies00:22
Dea1well with her having one she doesnt mind me playing with it in bed (THE NOKIA!!!!!!)00:22
erstaziI bring mine to bed, just started and finished reading "The Machine Stops" last night, great ebook (:00:23
Dea1just finished downloading all the other packages erstazi - quick q why two devkits - debian and maemo???00:23
erstazium... I am not sure about that haha00:23
erstaziif you have OS2006 I believe you have maemo2, but I could be wrong00:23
erstazior is it maemo3?00:24
erstaziDea1, if you look in synaptic and search for scratchbox, you will see all the debs you can install00:24
Dea1god knows - there is info out there its just not that clear00:24
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erstaziDea1, well they are not clear on that00:24
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Dea1well ill have a play around with it....once again thx for the help00:25
erstazido we call it maemo4 or OS2007?00:25
erstazino problem, any time00:25
erstaziif I knew more about scratchbox I would help you more00:25
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erstazibut I am limited on it, I finally got it installed last night00:25
Dea1its okay - im gonna be delving in, so ill let u know how I get on00:25
erstaziDea1, btw00:25
erstaziI am going to start a port for a very light weight speech to text, so if you think that would interest you, I would definitely appreciate the help (:00:26
erstaziI think this is what both 770/n800 are lacking and of my knowledge, there is not an app for maemo/arm00:27
Dea1oo er - might be over my head - im an ex game programmer - but yeah keep me update - if anything itll help to re-rust my skills00:27
hyph_nbugger! - it looks like expansys have stopped selling the n770 (or have run out)00:27
hyph_nlooks like i won't be getting an exchange then...!00:27
erstazihyph_n, talk to nokia directly00:27
Dea1you can get ir repared under warranty???00:27
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derfI thought CMU's speech engine was already ported.00:28
erstaziderf, for OS2006?00:28
Dea1what ebook viewer do you use erstazi - and what respository00:28
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hyph_nyeah i know.. but the unit is only 2 days old... so under my 'statutory consumer rights (UK)' i can get a replacement too00:29
erstaziDea1, do you have openssh installed?00:29
hyph_nDea1: i use fbreader00:29
erstazihyph_n, I was just going to get there00:29
erstazihyph_n, I am going to give Dea1  my sources.list00:29
Dea1cheers  thx for that00:29
erstazianyone can use them, I commented the ones that need a gpg key (I don't have the time to grab them all) and the ones that are not working00:30
erstaziI use fbreader though00:30
erstazinice app00:30
hyph_nty :-)00:30
erstazialso, make sure you back up your sources.list just in case00:30
hyph_ni guess i need to get my head around this whole blue/red pill thingy00:30
erstaziwhen you get that sources.list inputted, you can go to your application manager and refresh the catalogue and then install whatever you need00:31
erstazihyph_n, its real easy, you know how to do it?00:31
Dea1hey - quick question (another one) - no problems setting up wifi - but is there any way to stop it having to reconnect - even though I have unlimited timeout it still reconnects (i.e. flashed the wifi icon a few times) when I load the browser - or is this just it renogitiating the WPA key?00:31
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hyph_nerstazi, no idea00:31
erstaziDea1, I am not sure about that00:32
hyph_ndea1: it is already unlimted00:32
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erstazihyph_n, go to your applications manager, make a new00:32
hyph_nbtw - the bluetooth range is also a bit crap00:32
FatalI read that as "bluetooth rage"00:33
erstazihyph_n, application manager > Tools > Application Catalogue then click new and type in the web address matrix and hit cancel00:33
erstazithen you will have a choice between red pill and blue pill00:33
erstaziand then make sure you do your updates00:34
hyph_nwhat is the difference between red and blue?00:34
erstaziits a cheap hack they put into the nokias... they are "suppose" to be putting it in a settings for advanced users00:34
erstazired pill opens up the nokia for more advanced users00:34
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erstaziand I have to go to the loo, brb00:35
erstaziok back00:36
milhousei hope you've washed your hands.00:36
erstazimilhouse, yes, and arms00:36
Dea1fasted gun in the west00:36
milhousegood boy :)00:36
hyph_nerstazi - ok, i chose red... now what does that mean?00:37
erstazihyph_n, it opens your nokia to more advanced usage00:37
hyph_nerstazi, which means...?00:37
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milhouseyou can stuff it up00:37
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erstaziI found that about a few days ago, I just remember someone telling me what to do00:38
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erstazisome people suggest the i-Tech Virtual Bluetooth Keyboard with the nokia 77000:39
hyph_nerstazi, thanks for that ... is this the route to becoming root on the unit?00:40
_Monkeyi heard becomeroot was is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
alehandrossh root@127.1 with password rootme ;)00:41
milhousethat too :)00:41
milhouseor R&D mode.00:42
erstazihyph_n, becomeroot00:42
hyph_ni've seen references to becomeroot kicking around...00:42
erstazihyph_n, I suggest getting openssh00:42
alehandroHow can i build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. I install maemo-2.2 following on site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture. On maemo-3.0 all successful, but package on device not insallied, because incorrect libraries version00:43
_Monkeyopenssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on.
hyph_nyeah i installed ssh on the previous unit before it bricked00:43
erstazialehandro, you have OS2006 unless you put OS2007HE on there00:43
erstaziso when you search on maemo, thats what you look for00:44
erstazialehandro, do you know how to add to a sources.list?00:44
Nermalerstazi: thanks for all your help tonight - I'll be back when the 770 arrives :)00:44
erstaziNermal, I will be here (:00:44
erstazihave a good night00:44
hyph_ni'm off too... knackered00:44
Nermalyou too - bedtime now in the UK ::)00:44
erstazinight hyph_n00:44
hyph_nwill check in tomorrow sometime00:45
alehandroerstazi, yeah, but it myself program, i am new meaemo developer00:45
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erstazialehandro, do you have scratchbox installed on a linux computer?00:45
Dea1erstazi - just kicked off a load of downloads - about 120mb - will have fun tomorrow. You in the UK btw?00:45
alehandroscratbox, with maemo 2.2 and with maemo 3.000:45
erstaziDea1, no, I miss the UK though, I am from the US00:45
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erstazialehandro, where did you find the devkits for maemo2.2?00:46
* hyph_n is in the uk.... also has a house in NH US00:46
alehandro[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture00:46
Dea1I like the US - couldnt get a green card though :) weather the way it is at moment I dont mind swapping00:46
alehandrosb-conf select SDK_ARMEL2200:46
alehandro[sbox-SDK_ARMEL22: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture00:46
erstazialehandro, I am still learning that00:46
alehandrodpkg: warning, architecture `arm-none-linux-gnueabi' not in remapping table00:46
hyph_ndea1: my wife is US, that helps!00:47
erstazihyph_n, haha00:47
hyph_nerstazi, thanks for all your help - catchya later00:47
alehandroSDK_ARMEL22 -- maemo 2.2, SDK_ARMEL -- maemo 3.000:47
erstazialehandro, I haven't had that problem yet00:47
Dea1well mine is UK - prob be a bit peeved if I married a US lady to get a green card :)00:47
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alehandroerstazi, you have in maemo 2.2 correct packet with 'armel' architecture?00:48
erstazigreen cards are easier to get than becoming a British citizen00:48
erstazialehandro, no, I have the devkit for maemo300:48
erstaziI need to get the binary for maemo2.200:48
erstazimaemo2.2 is for OS2006 right?00:48
Dea1Id love to live in the US - im a pilot - but too many of them in US, so no chance....00:49
erstaziDea1, depends, locally around here they are in demand00:49
florianerstazi: Europe is nice - you can move to every country inside EC as you like... :-)00:49
erstazibut in other places, no00:49
erstaziflorian, I was in Europe in the military and civilian, I miss Europe as well00:49
alehandroyes, all well00:49
erstaziI am locked down now (:00:49
alehandrocustomers forgive compatibility00:49
alehandrowith nokia 77000:49
erstazialehandro, where did you get the devkit for maemo2.2?00:50
Dea1oh well - you have a Nokia for company :)00:50
erstazimy wife thinks its too  much company00:50
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Dea1yeah - tell her its better than another woman :)00:51
Dea1but honey - I love my Nokia too00:51
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erstazithank you alehandro00:51
erstaziisn't gregale for OS2007 though?00:51
erstazithats where I get confused00:51
alehandroit os 200600:52
erstaziok, thank you alehandro00:52
alehandrofor itos 2007 >= 3.000:52
erstazialehandro, you should write a tutorial on this haha or I will00:53
alehandroon the 3.0 maemo for nokian n800 packet building and installation -- successful completed00:53
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erstaziby the end of the day, I will be back to square one after repartitioning my harddrives... no room00:54
erstaziall these installs00:54
alehandrous deuchen customers ask us write wiki on this way, but now we not have time...planning for the future ;)00:56
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erstazialehandro, I am going to contribute some writing in the wiki00:56
erstazialso last night, I filled _Monkey with many responses like:00:57
_Monkeynano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh.
_Monkeyit has been said that leafpad is a simple GTK+ text editor that emphasizes simplicity.
_Monkeyxterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters.
alehandrosry for my english, i from russia ;)00:57
erstazialehandro, honestly, your english is very good00:58
erstaziwhere in Russia?00:58
erstazialehandro, Это заявление делает чувство?00:59
alehandroudmurtia, izhevsk ;) home of kalashnikov ;)00:59
alehandrobabelfish? ;)01:00
erstaziI use it with clients sometimes01:00
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alehandronot correctrtly ... jawbone is formulated ;)))01:01
alteregoAnyone else really wish they could copy and paste between their N800 and other computers?01:01
erstazipersonally, I think English is a horrible language and even worse international language... it should not be an international language at all01:01
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alteregoEnglish isn't that bad. There's a lot of bloat but it is quite expressive.01:01
erstazialterego, the only way I know of is ssh or instant message01:01
alteregoObviously I'm biased though. Being English and all ^_^01:01
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erstaziwell, I see both sides... but it is expressive in some areas but in other areas very lacking01:02
erstazithere is not a perfect language...01:03
alteregoNo, and there won't likely ever be one.01:03
erstazialterego, take the verb "love" for instance01:03
alteregoYou have issue with love? :D01:03
erstaziyou can love your mother and father... you can love your neighbor, you can love your wife01:03
alehandroenglish is relatively simple that other west-european languages, and our customers speak also english, although they are germans01:03
alteregoerstazi, so?01:04
erstazialterego, just an example (:01:04
alteregoalterego, you have a problem with loving thy neighbour?01:04
alteregoerstazi, ^^01:04
erstazi[18:04] <erstazi> alterego, just an example (:01:04
alehandrothey have bad english, and we... and we understand each other01:05
alteregoAre you saying that 'love' isn't expressive enough?01:05
alteregoI agree that the word can mean different kinds of love.01:05
alteregoBut then, what is love?01:05
erstazialterego, no need for defensiveness, I am American, my mother's side is English and my father's side is Austrian but of course raised to speak primarily English01:05
alteregoerstazi, I'm not being defensive :)01:05
alteregoThere are plenty of words in the English language I think are pointless.01:06
erstazialterego, in many other languages, they have different verbs for the different meanings of the English word "love"01:06
Dea1Meine deutsch ist nich so gut :)01:06
alteregoBut for the most part I really like the language.01:06
erstaziDea1, haha01:06
alteregoDea1, das ist nicht so gut, es tut meir lied.01:06
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erstazialterego, well, I am more coming from the fact of a non-native speaker learning English01:06
Dea1ja - sehr gut, nicht :)01:07
erstaziits a hard language to learn compared to other languages out there01:07
alteregoerstazi, yeah. I hear that's hard.01:07
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erstaziI just find those who take on learning English deserve credit, its a difficult language01:07
alteregoerstazi, I think it's harder to learn because of all the different slang terms and also different areas tend to use a completely different vocabulary :)01:07
erstazioh definitely01:08
erstazieven within the UK itself01:08
alteregoYah, I know.01:08
alteregoI even have a hard t ime keeping up with all the slang ^_^01:08
erstaziso many different dialects in England01:08
Dea1whered u live in the UK erstazi?01:08
erstaziit shocked me01:08
erstaziDea1, I live in the US01:08
alteregoI'm from Cambridge, we're supposed to be quite posh.01:09
Dea1past tense - seeing as we're all talking languages (didnt u say you used to liv ein UK)01:09
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alteregoI've been using my N800 for Rails development whilst in the bath. It's quite relaxing ^_^01:09
erstaziDea1, I stayed there but not lived01:10
alehandroerstazi, Are there sometime old maemo developers? Did you know? My question remains open ;(01:10
erstaziI wanted to move to London01:10
alteregoCambridge is awesome. If not a bit small.01:10
Dea1your N800 is in the bath, is it nice and clean then? mmaybe a way to keep the screen free from smudges!!01:10
erstazialehandro, there are a few, pupnik is one01:10
erstaziI hate smudges01:10
erstaziand hate is a strong word01:10
Dea1Cambridge is nice, London is horrible - dirty, crowded.01:11
erstazialehandro, I am sticking my porting and packaging to the 770 because thats what have and there are quite a few with a 77001:11
alteregoI was here when maemo first started. But I stopped my envolvment with the community until pretty recently.01:11
erstaziDea1, I was in milton keynes for a month01:11
Dea1never mind - im sure you got over it :)01:12
erstaziwhats that?01:12
alteregoI've been back literally just over a month. Been working on Ruby-Maemo port and bindings :)01:12
alehandroerstazi, the morning I spoke with him. he also did not know how to solve the problem, because preparing for n80001:12
erstazialterego, I don't mind RoR, it is a bright star, but python is looking bright also01:13
alteregoI actually started coding in Python before Ruby.01:13
erstazialehandro, I am not too sure who all are old maemo developers.. I wish I had a list01:14
alteregoI found Ruby to be a lot more flexible. It's so much nicer :)01:14
erstazialterego, it is very flexible and nice01:14
erstazihow well does ruby work with existing databases?01:14
erstazimaybe I heard FUD, who knows01:15
alteregoYou just specify the connection information database name and then the table name.01:15
alehandroerstazi, after my search for maemo deveolopers, I concluded the bulk developers are n800 python, developers, but i write in pure c/c++ with gtk+01:15
erstaziI take everything in with a grain of salt01:15
erstazialehandro, well, I appreciate what you do01:16
erstazialehandro, what applications do you have out?01:16
alteregoerstazi, what you've heard is probably related to the fact that people start learning Rails with no Ruby knowledge and try to jump into the deep end.01:16
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erstazialterego, that is probably so, and that would be FUD then haha01:16
erstazihello mazzen01:16
mazzenhello erstazi01:17
erstazihow are you mazzen?01:17
erstazialehandro, I think there is a list of developers on but I could be wrong01:17
alteregoThere is a lot of FUD surrounding Rails and it's not so good for the community. People become very sceptical and wont look into the platform, which is a shame because it's awesome :)01:17
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erstazialterego, definitely, we are looking at it ourselves for development but only on a test basis01:18
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mazzenerstazi:  fine, and you?01:18
erstazihello syntux, how are you?01:18
erstazigood mazzen, tired though (:01:19
alteregoI think my only issue with Ruby/Rails, ruby specifically, is that the interpreter isn't to speedy. This will be fixed when Ruby 2.0 is released later this year. With the YARV bytecode interpreter.01:19
syntuxhey erstazi01:19
_Monkeyerstazi is rusty on porting to a different arch01:19
syntuxhow is it going01:19
erstazialterego, I don't think or see going to be using it within a year because I want to know the ins and outs01:19
alteregoerstazi, very wise.01:19
erstazi_Monkey: forget erstazi01:19
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot erstazi01:19
syntuxi'm trying to get 'libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline' for nN800, any official repos that has em ?01:19
alteregoAnyhow, I've gotta restart my machine.,01:20
erstazisyntux, I would help you but I am not familiar with OS200701:20
erstazialterego, ttyl, good talk01:20
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syntuxerstazi, what are you using then ?01:20
Dea1hey guys - im off now - want to try and get Scratchbox configured...01:20
erstazisyntux, OS2006 on a 770 (:01:20
erstaziDea1, any struggles please tell us!01:20
erstazittyl Dea101:20
Dea1thks for the help - will let you know how I get on01:21
erstazisyntux, there are plenty who have n800's01:21
erstazisyntux, have you checked
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syntuxnothing thee01:21
alehandroerstazi, now i completing write n770/800 client. it's NX-client. It's like are VNC client, but more flexible and faster speed. It's worked very fast on slow connections, like gprs... It have some client's for other platform, but not having software for nokia platform (
syntuxisn't there another os to install, other than 2007?01:22
erstazialehandro, I use NX01:22
erstazisyntux, no, its the latest01:22
erstazisyntux, let me check something01:22
erstazialehandro, how did you keep it lightweight?01:23
alehandropure c ;)01:23
* erstazi slaps himself01:23
erstazisorry, alehandro,  I am not always mentally here (:01:24
erstazialehandro, where is the install for it? I will give it a blash, anything different than the other vnc clients will make me happy, I use nx client on my box here01:24
alehandroerstazi, it's developed for commercila use for my customers, sorry...01:25
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erstazialehandro, ah I see01:27
erstazialehandro, any open sourced apps?01:27
erstazialehandro, how much are you charging for it?01:28
alehandroerstazi, i am freelancer... I do outsource develop, because our wages are forced desired... the average wage in my town for a month like 250-300$01:28
erstazialehandro, I am a freelancer myself but in the web-dev field01:28
alehandroerstazi, some my friend from university doing web development01:29
alehandroi myself started from him ;)01:29
erstazialehandro, ah nice01:29
erstazisyntux, are you sure its not libgdbm?01:29
syntuxerstazi, it's libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline01:30
alehandroerstazi, now i now develop open source software because, like linus torvalds sad : the social construction of my life not completly implemented ;)01:31
erstazialehandro, heh01:32
erstazialehandro, I believe proprietary software is not evil01:32
erstazipersonally, I have both open source and closed source applications I develop01:32
erstazisyntux, what app is this for?01:33
alehandrowhen I my social live like my european colleagues, I will do open source software ;)01:33
syntuxerstazi, mozilla browser.01:34
syntuxerstazi, I'm trying to find out if I can use my debian packages on N80001:35
erstazithey need to be for the ARM arch and also hildonized01:35
erstazisyntux, they have a mozilla browser that you can use on maemo01:35
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_Monkeyi think minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices.
alehandromy few phrases in putayus ;)) we now 3:3601:36
syntuxerstazi, yeah, this is what I'm trying to do, from browser.garage.maemo.org01:36
syntuxerstazi, but I'm trying to see if I can use libgdm, readline and other libs from debian on N80001:36
erstazisyntux, try this one01:36
erstazisyntux, they need to be ported for maemo/ARM arch01:37
syntuxerstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ?01:38
alehandrosyntux, on maemo site01:38
erstazisyntux, you can use scratchbox for porting01:38
erstazior read up on maemo.org01:38
alehandrosyntux, simple example here
syntuxerstazi, I tried to download vmware scratchbox but couldn't get the torrent, the site hosting that torrent been down for a week01:39
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alehandrosyntux, vmware -- not scratch box, otherwise scratchbox not vmware ;)01:40
erstazisyntux, what OS do you use on your pc?01:40
erstazialehandro, you can run scratchbox in vmware01:40
syntuxalehandro, there is a vmware appliance that has scratchbox.01:40
syntuxerstazi, ubuntu01:40
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erstazisyntux, which version of ubuntu?01:40
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syntuxerstazi, feisty01:41
alehandrosyntux, ah01:41
erstazisyntux, you are in the gold then01:41
erstazisyntux, you can add this to your sources.list:01:41
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alehandrolearn this01:41
erstazisyntux, deb stable main01:41
erstazithen grab the scratchbox-core and scratchbox-libs01:42
syntuxah cool01:42
erstazithen read this:
erstazithe two packages from that repo will take a bit, quite large packages01:42
erstaziso you can read up on that URL I provided, its the official documents01:42
erstazithe Debian/Ubuntu way is different than other *nix distros01:43
alehandroerstazi, -- this is are full completed guide how setup nokia environment on linux box01:43
erstazisyntux, suggestion: use the normal user you have for adding the sbox01:43
erstazialehandro, ah01:43
erstaziI will have to read that as well01:43
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erstazihi |tbb|01:43
alehandroerstazi, return to the opensource. In the near future, I plan to write a opensource client for Nokia n800 for teamXchange server01:45
alehandroWith gtkmm library01:46
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erstaziI got to dummy cord my damn stylus01:48
erstaziI don't want to lose it01:48
alehandroour customers did not object to the fact that i licensed it on GPL01:49
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erstazisyntux, last time I checked, that torrent is down01:51
syntuxI prefer using vmware for such thing as I do many things with my laptop and I prefer to keep my install clean for desktop use only01:52
syntuxI do study and test things over vmware01:52
syntuxmuch better and cleaner01:52
alehandrosyntux, good thing's01:52
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erstazisyntux, I do myself also01:53
alehandrosyntux, there is something like that with maemo 2.2? ;)01:54
syntuxalehandro, no but I guess I can build an image01:54
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erstaziI was wondering that myself01:54
erstazihello MobileSim01:54
syntuxalehandro, but would need to install ubuntu minimal and install apps on it01:55
alehandrosyntux, i old debian user ;)01:56
syntuxalehandro, how old ? :p01:56
alehandrosyntux, I liked the complete decision Maemo Development Appliance01:57
alehandrosyntux, more than 7 years old01:57
alehandrobefore -- bsd user01:57
syntuxalehandro, Ok, I'll try to make that appliance this weekend, I'm running out of space and waiting for my 320GB maxtor :D01:58
alehandromy linux box live on 20Gb hdd ;)02:00
erstaziwhat filesystem do you use?02:00
syntuxI have  100GB on my laptop and 160 on home server and both are full of distro ISOs and movies :D02:01
alehandroext3fs, and riserFS for big partitions with music and films02:01
alehandroon elvm02:01
alehandroon home server i have 800Gb totaly space ;)02:03
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alehandroI dream for IBM Blade server with fiber optical channel communications ;)02:04
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alehandroMy wife, or to dissolve the brain or kill me;)02:06
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MobileSimIs the 800 generally more stable than the 770?02:08
zakxit has a stand, so maybe it'll fall less often02:08
MobileSimSoftware-wise, I meant. :p02:08
sp3000it has more memory so you'll be less likely to run into reliability issues partly triggered by low memory (or slowness if you swap)02:11
sp3000but I haven't really used 770 so I can't say much from experience02:11
* MobileSim is starting to get annoyed with daily browser crashes coupled with inconvienent limitations like being unable to copy email addresses.02:12
alehandrosoftware may be some memory leaks...02:12
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MobileSimOn the other hand, I'm loving Vim more now than I was on the desktop.02:14
MobileSimmouse=a in vimrc is amazing. :P02:14
alehandroI do not represent how to live without vim02:15
* MobileSim is actually using tabs now, since that's all tappable with mouse=a set. :D02:16
* MobileSim has no idea what the variable means, but it's magic.02:17
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MobileSimBut yeah. I really wanna jump in and develop software, but I'm worried about platform stability in general. :(02:18
alehandroi use memwatch library to fix memory leaks, and platform more stability that you things02:18
alehandroyes, he need sometime's reboot on a develop stage02:19
alehandrobut usually not needed for me02:20
* MobileSim needs it more often than he'd like, and that's without developing software at all.02:20
alehandroI develop on nokia n800 about six months02:21
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MobileSimWhat language would have to be used for making applets?02:26
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gomia1dropped :-D02:32
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gomia1now it's time to wait for gomiam to get "Reset by peer"02:33
erstazigomia1, ghost it02:37
erstazi/msg nickserv ghost gomiam password02:38
gomia1I think I didn't even bother to register it :-D02:38
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erstaziyou could link them to one registered nick02:38
alehandroтак вперед за циганской звездой кочевой, на рассвет где горят паруса ;))02:40
alehandrosry not here)02:40
gomia1alehandro, you might consider no typing letters upside down :-P02:40
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gomia1erstazi: yeah, I could... too lazy I guess02:41
alehandrogomia1, it's specificial for russian koi8-r encoding after recode to other encodings ;)02:42
gomia1alehandro: just pulling your leg. It showed cyrillic alright here02:42
gomia1(and me thinking you were a Spaniard)02:43
erstazialehandro, о tsiganskoy звезде номада02:45
gomia1no me toquéis las narices :-P02:45
erstazialehandro, did that sound alright?02:45
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alehandroerstazi, not all, but this was closely02:46
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vertooHey all02:47
erstazihi vertoo02:48
gomia1btw, is anybody else here cataloging at Galaxy Zoo?02:48
erstazigomia1, no, is that catalog for OS2007?02:48
gomia1no, it's a project to classify galaxies02:48
gomia1(as in spiral/elliptical, clockwise/counterclockwise elliptical, etc)02:49
erstaziah I see02:49
erstazinow I recognize the name02:49
alehandroericz, it's an excerpt from a gypsy folk song02:49
_Monkeyerstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ?02:49
erstazi_Monkey, forget erstazi,02:50
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot erstazi,02:50
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erstazi_Monkey, forget erstazi:02:50
_Monkeyerstazi, I didn't have anything matching erstazi:02:50
erstazihi jyro02:50
_Monkeyalehandro: sorry...02:50
gomia1_Monkey, help02:50
erstazihow-to port is
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erstazi_Monkey, how-to port is
_MonkeyOK, erstazi.02:51
erstazihow-to port?02:51
_Monkeyhow-to port is
erstazi_Monkey, porting is
_MonkeyOK, erstazi.02:51
erstazigomia1, that isn't set, I would be fearful of setting that, too broad02:52
erstaziunless it was an index for all the how-to's02:52
_Monkeyrumour has it porting is
gomia1erstazi: I know. I was just testing.02:52
gomia1see ya later. I'm going to play a bit of Sacred: Underworld02:53
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JesseT78Hallo erstazi :)03:21
erstazihello JesseT7803:22
JesseT78lol it keeps messing with my user name03:23
JesseT78So I used the dropbear method and have root now as well03:23
JesseT78(I've also used a mac flasher to set "enable usb host mode" and I'm not sure it if worked)03:24
JesseT78so I am hoping that the root-level usb futzing commands can confirm if the setting is enabled or not03:24
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erstaziwhy do you want usb host mode?03:26
erstazijust curious03:26
JesseT78The N770 device is meant to be part of a radio testing tool03:26
JesseT78so it needs to connect, ideally via usb, to a keyboard, but also to an ethernet dongle and a gps transciever03:27
JesseT78In this environment I cannot use bluetooth or wifi for the keyboard and/or network since it's goal is to test a radio and it need not add (undue) noise to the spectrum.03:29
* JesseT78 waits for the "you're crazy!" speech ;)03:31
erstazino that sounds interesting03:31
erstaziwhat freq are you transmitting at?03:31
erstazior trying to receive03:31
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JesseT78We chose this unit specificly to fill this role. It's very inexpensive and, given the success of the usb hack, very much does every little thing we need.03:32
bldewolf_dragorn: any idea on how to do wifi encryption that isn't officially supported, then?03:32
timelyxJesseT78: so have you gotten a powered usb hub and solder hacked it to work as required?03:32
JesseT78They are wifi radios. Mostly 2.4ghz but we have some radios in the 5ghz range. I know that is outside the scope of Bluetooth but I'd rather have full emissions control. :)03:32
JesseT78timelyx: I've got a powered usb hub and wired up a USB Y cable so as not to have to break into the hub itself03:34
erstaziJesseT78, you aren't in the US are you?03:34
JesseT78The Y cable could easily be the cause of this not working right, which is why I would like (if possible) to use a root cli tool to confirm the N770 is in fact in usb host mode, just to isolate probable causes.03:34
JesseT78Oregon, USA03:36
anothy_xa few days ago, i rebooted my N800. since then, the browser won't start, returning "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." regardless of how it's started. it's the only observable failure.03:36
anothy_xare there crash logs on the device? i've got ssh and root access enabled.03:37
erstazianothy_x, did you check /var/logs/?03:37
erstazithats usually where they are located03:37
timelyxanothy_x: which browser?03:37
erstazianothy_x, if worse comes to worse, you might need to flash the n800 to original factory defaults unless you made a backup03:38
timelyxand which version of system software?03:38
timelyxthere are 4 versions of system software and 2 browsers03:38
JesseT78It's so freaking cool I can ssh into this nokia btw heh03:38
anothy_xmy /var/log only has wtmp; /var/logs doesn't exisst. will it be populated if i create it?03:38
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timelyxno :)03:38
timelyxyou can install sysklogd from a repository...03:38
erstaziok nevermind03:38
erstaziI was wrong03:38
timelyxsometimes there's a different thing, but i can't remember if that is in the wild or only internally03:39
erstazitimelyx, I thought it did have a /var/logs03:39
timelyxis there a /var/*log other than /var/log? :)03:39
JesseT78mine just has /var/log03:39
anothy_xnope, just /var/log03:39
timelyxJesseT78: you're 770, no?03:39
erstazisorry about that03:39
* timelyx is only asking about n80003:39
erstaziI meant it without s03:39
JesseT78yes mine :)03:40
anothy_xhow do i report a useful version? i don't remember which image i used.03:40
timelyxcontrol panel03:41
JesseT78control panel > device > About product03:41
timelyxabout device or about product or something03:41
timelyxyou can also sometimes get a moderately useful version from javascript:navigator.userAgent in the web browser03:42
timelyxand there's also something like cat /etc/osso_software_version from an xterm03:42
JesseT78Do you know how I had to find out what IP address this device had?03:42
timelyxifconfig -a4 doesn't work?03:42
anothy_xi have General > About product, instead. it reports version 3.2007.10-703:42
JesseT78browse a web page of mine and check the logs. oy! but it worked. :)03:42
timelyxJesseT78: open tools>connection manager03:43
timelyxopen the app menu03:43
timelyxbrowse the submenus03:43
timelyxone of them lets you get connection details which includes your ip address03:43
* timelyx reaches back to the coffee table and retrieves a 77003:43
* timelyx ponders03:43
timelyxthe splash screen has NOKIA and a Vista icon03:43
timelyxvery spooky03:44
timelyxinternet connection>ip addres03:44
JesseT78ok, so connection manager has a system menu. I missed that last time. thx :)03:45
timelyxJesseT78: all apps should03:45
timelyxcertainly afaik all nokia apps do03:45
timelyxif you find one that doesn't, let me know, i'll yell at someone for you :)03:45
JesseT78yes but this gui throws me just a bit. I forget where some menus are tucked away @ ;)03:45
JesseT78Aside from some learning curve like that, it sure is a kick ass gui03:46
timelyxlearning curve isn't that bad03:46
timelyxit's fairly short03:46
timelyxi think i picked up enough of the rules for it faster than most atypical platforms03:46
JesseT78unless your brain is hard coded to another gui. You know the story lol03:46
timelyxi certainly was able to file bugs about violations fairly fast03:46
timelyxmy brain is wired to pick up patterns and spot discrepancies :)03:47
Luriahey timel*03:47
timelyxboker tov?03:47
* JesseT78 suppresses "one of these things just doesn't belong here" mp3 playing in his head03:47
Luriaerev tov, ani nimtza b'new york03:47
timelyxtoo late to be late, really too early to be early03:47
Luriathere is a vkb03:48
Luriaand it does work03:48
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Luriathe gotcha is you have to patch the system fonts03:48
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pupniki go to sleep and the channel explodes with activity03:48
Luriawhich you cant distribute :-/03:48
timelyxof course :)03:48
erstazihi pupnik03:48
JesseT78wb pupnik :)03:49
timelyxLuria: hrm, i'll have to consider doing that to my 77003:49
* timelyx wonders what Culmus is03:50
JesseT78Is this something like what you were talking about erstazi?
timelyxis that a foundry?03:50
erstazithat might work03:51
erstazismoke break brb03:51
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Luriai guess maemo needs oss fonts03:56
timelyxLuria: if that wiki is open, could you linkify culmus? :)03:56
timelyxsome of us are lazy, tired, silly, etc. :))03:56
Luriai should make an account03:57
Luriaone sec03:57
Luriaitt should share logins with maemo.org03:57
timelyxi presume it does03:57
timelyxat least, i think i have one login between it and garage03:58
Luriagarage is asking me for a title... and gave me a text field and not a drop down03:59
Luriasilly design, fun for me03:59
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timelyxmy previous employer let me specify a title for my business cards04:00
timelyxso i picked "timeless developer", unfortunately it came out "Timeless Developer" or something like that. close enough i suppose04:01
Luriaumm.... so you never met deadlines?04:01
timelyxactually i don't recall missing deadlines04:01
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* timelyx chuckles04:07
timelyxthere's a movie on showtime, they're speaking hebrew04:07
timelyxw/ english open captions04:07
JesseT78What is ke-recv anyhow?04:08
Luriawhat movie?04:08
timelyxDeath Before Dishonor ?04:09
Luriawow. never seen it, but based on the wikipedia page, it looks bad.04:10
timelyxi should be sleeping04:11
JesseT78Yeah I can't work out much about ke-recv and what it is for or what it does by poring through source. :)  It appears to have no readme04:11
JesseT78Google and Wikipedia have never heard of it. It's author is Finnish.04:12
timelyxJesseT78: even if i was inside, i doubt i'd be able to explain much more than the source does04:13
JesseT78You are outdoors?04:13
timelyxis probably the best thing to read04:13
timelyxyou can tell a lot about an app by what it tells your users04:13
timelyxprobably <kernel><event>-<receiver>04:14
JesseT78ah, sounds about right.04:14
JesseT78But it is Nokia specific for instance, not some well known debian app I've never heard of? ;)04:14
timelyxwell. the strings can't tell you that04:16
timelyxsince nokia writes its own bad strings for popular packages :)04:16
timelyxbut yeah04:16
timelyxit should be maemo specific04:16
JesseT78I ran into it in a script someone wrote for changing usb host mode from the terminal. You put a word into a file in /sys/ and then reboot that daemon.04:16
timelyxParent directory - Apr 3 14:03 Program for receiving low-memory events from the kernel etc.04:17
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timelyxso, yes, browsing the cross reference will explain things for you:)04:17
JesseT78I am just sort of hunting for any sort of diagnostic angle for determining what part of my setup could be preventing the usb hack from working as advertised.04:17
timelyxhave you installed sysklogd yet?04:18
JesseT78nop, sounds like a plan though. Let me have a look:04:18
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* JesseT78 works out which repo has that04:20
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DarksmurfHello. I am waiting for my N770 to arrive. While waiting I've been reading everything I can find about the N770, and maemo in general. As I understand it the last 'offical' release of maemo was based on OS2006. There is now a 2007 hackers edition. I've seen mention of problems with the 2007 version on the 770. I'm wondering what verison I should use. I intend on using a USB keyboard + SSH most of the time. What are04:25
JesseT78Hola Dark. :)04:26
JesseT78I've just been playing with SSH on os2005 (I think that's my os?) today, no problems there04:27
DarksmurfAlso, I'm thinking about trying to use the 770 as an access point for my cellphone's EDGE/UMTS connection. Has anyone been able to get iptables to work?04:27
JesseT78To use a usb keyboard you'll need a powered hub and a USB Y cable hack it is said; I am still trying to get that part working myself though04:27
DarksmurfJesseT78 glad to hear it. I'm already searching for a good 5v power source to power the keyboard. I'm going to modify a USB hub so I don't need the y cable.04:28
JesseT78dark: by access point, do you mean you gain internet through your cell's edge/umts and then rebroadcast via bluetooth to the nokia, or the other way around?04:28
Darksmurfexactly...allow other wifi devices access to my net connection. I doubt the 770's wifi chipset will work in AP mode, I'd be happy to use Ad-Hoc. I don't need DHCP, I can have clients manualy set IP, GW, DNS, etc04:29
JesseT78darksmurf: The notable part is that power to the keyboard in this circumstance is not the only problem. The N770 needs power to be supplied to it's usb port as well, even when it is in usb host mode. Normally the usb host provides power instead of drawing it, but that is an odd flaw in the N770's design.04:29
DarksmurfI think it would be useful for car trips, etc.04:30
DarksmurfYeah, thats what I understand.04:30
JesseT78Sounds ambitious. :)   I cannot forsee a good reason why iptables would have trouble working on the N770, but I've read no data on the subject.04:31
DarksmurfAfter I mod the hub it won't be usable on a PC anymore. I'm think I'm going to try to embed it in my keyboard. Its a small Logitech usb keyboard designed for the playstation 2.04:31
DarksmurfThe only results I can find are related to setting up a desktop as a router for the tablet.04:32
JesseT78darksmurf that is similar to the reason I chose a usb Y cable, so that I wouldn't have to even mangle any hubs. Cables are cheaper to mangle. ;)04:32
DarksmurfI guess once I get it I'll have a go at building iptables as a module, but I've never had much luck making kernels or modules. :-(04:33
JesseT78Yeah I am just glad I don't have to travel a road like that ;)04:34
DarksmurfJesseT78 I think I can get a very small hub that will be perfect for this for almost nothing from work. ( It even has the mini B cable included04:34
pupnikNokia770-49:~# which iptables04:34
Darksmurfpupnik nice :-)04:34
Darksmurfpupnik: what happens w/ 'iptables -L' ?04:35
DarksmurfJesseT78 how long have you had your tablet?04:36
JesseT78Darksmurf I've used it now for a few cumulative hours. Got it a couple of weeks ago but couldn't move forward with our project until our electrical guy prepped the Y cable04:36
JesseT78Now I am just having trouble making that part work as advertised.04:37
Darksmurfis it just not working? or is it intermitent?04:37
JesseT78Asuming that is somehow our fault, I have had pretty much no things to be dissapointed about by the device. It is marvelous. :)04:37
JesseT78Our current status is the device is in usb host mode, but when I use Y cable and powered hub a usb keyboard does not make keystrokes appear on my screen. I am trying to get some diagnostic angle into here to see where things are going wrong.04:38
DarksmurfOf course, not having a tablet I can't be much use, and am basicly talking out of my *$#, but... Have you tried 'dmesg'? From what I've seen you should see mention of the hub being connected, and then the keyboard. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it didn't work right if you had USB plugged in when the device booted.04:40
JesseT78The guys here on the channel want me to install sysklogd so's I can see some USB log goodness. That is among the subgoals I am accomplishing now, I shall try dmesg as well04:41
pupnikDarksmurf: normal iptables behavior04:42
JesseT78The system does run on top of unix and it is no more than smoke and mirrors to get Xterminal and root and just live in unix land. It is #@$%ing awexome :)04:42
pupnikNokia770-49:~# dmesg |wc -l  17504:43
JesseT78yep, I have got me some dmesg04:44
JesseT78Another thing I just did is wandered through the connection manager and set myself a static ip04:44
JesseT78device goes to sleep, disconnecting the wifi often. On reconnect tends to get a new ip address. Then my SSH session gets difficult to manage. ;)04:44
pupniki just leave a ping running from desktop to 77004:45
DarksmurfI'm about to head back to school for the first time in a few years. I was thinking it would be great to have a small device with a good sized screen and nice keyboard that I could use to ssh in to my home machine and just take notes there. After a while I decided what I wanted didn't exist and I was about to give up. Then I remembered reading about having these things on sale. A little google search involvin04:45
Darksmurfthe words 'nokia 770 keyboard' and I had found a perfect device04:45
Darksmurfpupnik I'll have to remember that04:46
pupniknice - i have the thinkoutside stowaway and it's almost perfect04:46
pupnikthe 'sierra' looks nice too04:46
Darksmurfpupnik those are BT right? I'm more interested in the usb...I already have the kb and I can still use BT to my phone.04:46
pupnikppl have usb keyboards working too04:47
Darksmurfall I see are xterms w/ the rest of the gui there a way for it to go fullscreen?04:48
pupnikyes the fullscreen button :)04:49
Darksmurfvery good :-)04:51
DarksmurfI havn't been this excited about a handheld device in a long time.04:52
pupnikyou do understand that we expect you new 770 owners to become good worker bees and port and test linux apps to the device04:52
Darksmurfpupnik I'm all for it. But I doubt you want to see my C...04:52
pupnikit's the coolest thing ever :)04:52
DarksmurfI was just thinking about mpd...04:53
pupnikyeah but i've found apps that 'port' in two minutes04:53
DarksmurfOH! I read that nfs isn't support in os2006? but that CIFS was easy to enable...any experience?04:53
pupnikapt-get source $appname && cd appname && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot  -b  and ... presto04:53
Darksmurfthats nice. I've always liked debian04:54
pupnikyeah you just install the kernel with nfs04:54
erstazipupnik, you don't have to do hildonization or anything on the GUI?04:54
pupnikto make it work well you do.  but crosscompiling a game took only two minutes once (and it worked and was playable)04:55
pupnikso that's pretty fun04:55
erstazipupnik, what game is this? you did this through scratchbox right? I want to try it out before I dig myself deeper04:59
erstaziI am noticing some people use vmware04:59
erstaziwhich I am not sure how successful that would be04:59
pupnikthere is a vmware image with pre-installed scratchbox, so it saves you some work (and lets you move the development environment between computers)05:00
pupnikbut of course it incurs some space and performance overhead05:00
erstaziof course05:00
DarksmurfIs that a vmware image of maemo?05:09
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pupnikit's a full image of some linux OS with scratchbox installed (and maemo within scratchbox)05:12
DarksmurfI'm not familar with scratchbox... I was just reading mailinglist archives, mention of accessing a gui via VNC. would that be the same GUI as is on the tablet? I'm downloading vmware right now to give it a shot regardless.05:14
Darksmurfnice...a torrent for the image05:15
Darksmurfbut no seeders..05:15
pupnikscratchbox is (i'm being imprecise) this set of shellscripts that manages a chroot type environment so you can compile stuff for different OS's and architectures05:17
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pupnikmaemo is the development platform for the nokia tablets.  you can have a scratchbox containing a maemo system for the nokia tablets, next to a system for zaurus or other development environments05:19
pupnikscratchbox easily lets you switch between the different build environments05:19
pupnikso with the same source directory, you could build a version for x86, for nokia, for a zaurus or ipaq etc05:20
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Darksmurfahh. So its kinda like having an ARM box, an x86 box, etc all w/o the extra machines.05:25
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shackanit's an ARM chroot, inside a Linux host, inside a VmWare virtual machine, inside Windows05:27
pupnikand different OSes - different OSes for the same machine05:27
shackanfunny, isn't it?05:27
pupnikso you can build programs for IT2005, IT2006 and IT2007 on your pc by just switching 'targets'05:28
Darksmurfany way for me to play w/ the maemo gui via vmware?05:29
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pupnikyes you can run gui programs for the nokia from within scratchbox on your pc05:30
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erstazipupnik, how do people port and package for both IT2006 and IT200705:37
erstaziand pupnik you were correct about the maemo2.2==IT2006 and maemo3.x(and greater) == IT200705:37
pupnikyou set up two targets inside scratchbox, one for 2006 and one for 200705:38
pupnika lot of 2006 programs work in 2007 though05:39
erstaziah thats what I thought05:39
erstazione would think backwards compatibility would be the survival of an OS05:39
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erstazihi philipl05:39
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pupnikwow, ps2 emulators are becoming playable05:42
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sparrsome entries in the repository list on the wiki say to leave the component blank...  that seems to be invalid.  whats up with that?05:44
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rhsanbornAnyone know of a precompiled djpeg binary?05:45
rhsanbornI've seen it mentioned at internettablettalk, but no link.05:45
sparrif it wasnt for the horrible control layout, the 770 could be a replacement for my lost gp2x  :(05:45
* sparr beats handheld developers who put controls on only one side... with a very heavy stick05:46
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sparris it just me or is maemo-launcher a memory hog?05:48
sparrsorry for newb questions and comments, first day with the 77005:48
Darksmurfsparr I saw mention that a specific app was only able to detect a single key press at a time...I assumed it was a hardware problem (as with many PDAs, etc), do you know for sure that the tablet can detect more than 1 keypress?05:49
sparrDarksmurf: i have no idea.05:50
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* pupnik_ agrees with sparr - see design for gaming-compatible tablet here:
pupnik_sparr: heard of any other gp2x devs getting a nokia?  reesy or squidge perhaps? :)05:56
DarksmurfI like the camera...05:56
sparrimho, the perfect gaming handheld is somewhere between the nokia 770, gp2x, and nintendo ds05:56
sparrpupnik: doubtful05:56
sparrand, for the record, im barely a gp2x dev.  one port, one demo, thats it.05:56
sparryeah, i saw that photo on a forum somewhere05:57
pupnik_want to help port drpocketsnes???05:57
sparrhow on earth would you play snes?  bluetooth gamepad?05:57
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sparrthe thing barely has the buttons for NES, and they are in the wrong place05:57
pupnik_for rpgs, onscreen buttons on the right hand side05:57
sparrnokia 770...05:57
_Monkeyhmmm... nokia 770 is the best plataform for homebrew this day05:57
pupnik_or bluetooth keyboard05:57
_Monkeywiimote is a major hassle.05:57
sparrwii classic controller...05:57
pupnik_don't need high speed controls for rpgs05:58
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pupnik_which is why snes is a better port than genesis atm05:58
sparris account login broken?  im getting http auth prompts that always fail05:59
Abulafiasparr, so im not nuts05:59
pupnik_that's the WIP06:00
pupnik_i can log in with one account now, but i used to have problems06:01
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sparrcan anyone edit the wiki?06:03
erstazisparr, I can, what needs edited?06:03
sparr has a note at the bottom about a broken sources.list, explanation is in
sparrsolution is to delete the offending line06:04
erstaziin the wiki?06:04
sparrand to tell people to stop putting invalid repository info on the wiki06:04
sparryes, first link is to the wiki06:04
erstaziWord of warning?06:04
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sparrwhere is the maemo menu system stored?  tools/utilities/etc06:05
sparri need to rearrange some of those things, my Extras menu is ridiculously long06:05
erstazispaetz, its under ~/.osso/ I thought06:06
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pupnik_oh nice applications.menu06:07
sparris there an official way to change it?06:07
erstazisparr, its an xml file06:08
sparra 1-line xml file06:08
sparr1x3000+ chars06:08
erstazisparr, I changed mine with line breaks06:08
sparrdoes the OS change it back?06:08
erstaziand it still works with line breaks, no loss of performance06:08
erstazisparr, no06:08
sparrwhen the OS adds to it, do you get single long lines?06:08
erstazisparr, I haven't changed for that06:09
Abulafiammm ukmp is really nice06:09
sparrwhat i mean is06:09
sparrwhen you install something06:09
sparrand Application Manager makes a new entry in the menu06:10
Abulafiaif it didnt die when i click on my hebrew folders06:10
sparrhow does it play with your changes?06:10
erstazisparr, I mean I haven't checked for when you add something06:10
sparrmy vi is all screwed up06:11
erstaziuse nano06:11
sparrwhen i insert, the first thing i insert is changed to a space06:11
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erstaziand use this:06:11
_Monkeyrumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters.
erstaziwhich is the advanced form of xterm06:11
_Monkeyit has been said that nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh.
erstazisparr, I cannot edit the wiki06:12
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erstaziits not letting me log in06:13
erstazihello rwhitby06:13
sparryes, ive got xterm06:14
sparrannoyed that vi doesnt work06:14
pupnik_backup before editing06:14
sparrpupnik_: bah :-p06:14
erstazipupnik_, oh I did that definitely (:06:14
erstazisparr, I would just use nano (:06:15
erstaziI only use vi if I ssh to my tablet06:15
erstaziI use nano for if I am on my tablet06:15
erstazijust seems to handle better06:15
pupnik_i see stuff in that arwe uninstalled06:16
sparri am ssh'd the the tablet06:17
pupnik_i can't remove a submenu - i can remove a main menu entry tho06:18
Abulafiaoh god, people who use umpcs and dont know what a umpc is should not talk to me about web 2.006:23
Abulafiaespecially when they complain that it doesnt work and go glassy eyed when i ask if they are running windows xp.06:24
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erstazihaha Luria06:26
erstazimy favorite one is people who still use AOL but have a broadband service06:28
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erstazithey think AOL provides the internet to them06:29
erstazipupnik_, holy cow that (Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz) is its own file system06:37
erstaziI thought it would install it06:37
Luria"are you slicon valley?" "well, he's israeli, im local and he's german." "right, but are you silicon valley?"06:37
Luriafollowed by "do you guys blog?"06:38
Luriawell, at least they had nice... oh wait, this channel is logged and indexed... never mind.06:39
erstaziooo lightning06:40
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erstaziI should shut my computer off even though I have a surge protector06:40
Luriais there a vid capture/streaming app?06:40
erstazifor the n800?06:41
erstaziI know you can stream from slimserver to the tablet06:41
erstazibut I don't know about the reverse06:41
Luriano, other way06:41
Luriausing the camera06:41
erstaziI am sure someone did it06:41
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sparrgetting my beat into shape06:45
sparrwhats up with tana_fi_menuname?06:45
erstazino clue06:45
erstaziI remember seeing it06:45
erstazixml is suppose to have lowercase elements anyways06:45
pupnik_The open-source community is its own nation.06:46
erstazipupnik_, with what laws?06:47
pupnik_very few.  gpl, lgpl etc06:47
Luriawith fatal exceptions06:47
erstazipupnik_, I got the rootstrap installed in scratchbox06:47
erstazinow comes the emulator or not?06:47
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pupnik_erstazi: which one?06:51
erstazipupnik_, well, my guess is that the scratchbox target is configure for different architecture than the rootstrap.06:52
erstaziI selected both arm and both maemo06:52
erstaziI will go through it again06:52
erstazi[sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > grep SBOX_CPU= /targets/links/scratchbox.config06:54
erstazi[sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > file /bin/bash06:54
erstazi/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped06:54
erstazithat says they are the same06:54
erstaziand I should be fine there06:54
Luriaanyone able to get skype to go full size thumbboard?06:54
erstaziI did get an error: cannot run C compiled programs.06:55
Luriacause center d-pad is mapper to "enter" and sends text06:55
erstaziand I swore I had gcc06:55
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nchntranyone around?06:57
pupnik_ grep SBOX_CPU /targets/links/scratchbox.config06:58
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nchntrcan anyone help me with mounting a usb harddrive on my nokia77006:58
nchntri can mount the partitions in several places /media/ /mnt/ /home/../MyDocs/ and get read access to them, and write access in a root shell, but none of the apps in maemo (file manager, canoe) chave write persmissions07:00
nchntris there a simnple linux setting im missing?07:01
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pupnik_mount option user07:02
pupnik_for the standard mount options on vfat see /etc/fstab07:03
nchntrok ill try that, what about fstab i have tried with user option there (i copied the oem mmc1 line item and modified path and changed nouser to user07:03
pupnik_you can create an fstab entry with similar options for your usb hard drive07:03
nchntri did all that, fstab changes dont seem to work07:03
nchntrafter chmod on fstab to write then using both vi and text editor (leafpad) finally got changes to stay boot to boot, but doesnt seem to be having an affect, i still hafta mount with mount command07:04
nchntrwhats the syntax for the mount command with user option enabled07:05
pupnik_you are on territory not many people have been on07:05
pupnik_i duno - mount has a big man page :)07:05
pupnik_maybe -o user07:06
nchntri am currently using  mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd507:06
pupnik_mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir07:06
nchntrim am really a noob to linux (less than a week) other than this all othjer mods have gone well07:06
pupnik_you learn fast07:07
nchntrin exchange for sleep ;)07:07
sparrpaired my 770 with a wiimote...07:07
sparr770 rebooted07:07
erstazinchntr, yeah, I do not know anyone who has attempted this yet07:07
erstazipeople spoke of it but I don't recall anyone talking about an existing working external hard drive07:08
Darksmurfnchntr dumb question...did you umount the HD and remount after changes to fstab? lets say you had it mounted as /mnt/hd  you would umount /mnt/hd  then mount /mnt/hd . If you just specify the mount mount, mount will look in fstab for settings07:08
Darksmurferr.. 'the mount mount' should be ..'mount point'07:08
nchntri powered down and let it restart07:08
Darksmurfthat would do it07:08
JesseT78'night folks, thanks for ze help, I might be back on tomorrow with more of the bothering. We will see! heh ;)07:09
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nchntri have changed the locations of my mount a few times07:09
erstazinight JesseT7807:09
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nchntrmount point compares to mount in what way?07:09
erstaziwb dolske you iphone user! haha07:09
pupnik_mount -t vfat -o user /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5  << does that work?07:09
sparrto use an external hard drive you need the usb hack/dongle, no?07:10
dolskeheh, I should remove that. I put in in a few weeks before the iPhone launch to confuse people. :)07:10
Darksmurfdolske ??07:11
pupnik_you could also try specifying the owner of the filesystem to be the regular nokia user "user" with userid (UID) 29999 and groupid (GID) 2999907:12
erstazihello world! got it07:12
nchntrima try it in a sec, question 1st.. does it matter where i mount it at?  i.e. some tutorials say /mnt/ i am using /media/ because thats where the mmc gets mounted.. anyone with linux knowledge know the difference or correctr place?07:12
dolskeDarksmurf: my quit message in Colloquy (on a Mac) was "iChat 10.5 [Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) Mobile/1A938a Safari/429.3]"07:12
erstazipupnik_, thank you, I missed that emulator part07:12
pupnik_nchntr: shouldn't matter where you mount it07:12
pupnik_yw erstazi07:12
Darksmurfmount -t vfat /dev/ssda5 /media/usbhd5   tells 'mount' exactly what to do. /media/usbhd5 is the mount point..i.e. where to mount. if you had '/dev/sda5       /media/usbhd5      vfat    user' in your /etc/fstab  and you did a 'mount /media/usbhd5' it would look in fstab to see what settings to use..and your 'user' option would be in effect.07:13
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* Darksmurf is looking to see if 'user' is the correct option07:13
* Darksmurf thinks 'man fstab' would have more info07:14
pupnik_setting the userid might solve it.  here the defaults on the 770 mmc vfat:  /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 007:14
nchntris there anything in the interface (maemo) that would keep the appz from writing to certain dirs?  i.e. most apps working dirs look to be in /MyDocs/  ,  Might i have to mount it there to get the maemo apps to have correect access?07:14
nchntryea i copied that line, but removed the ,utf8,uid=29999  (wasnt sure if ther are device specific (RS-MMC)07:15
pupnik_the uid could help07:15
pupnik_that's the other thing yes07:15
pupnik_the stupid ol maemo apps don't give you access to the root filesystem07:16
erstaziyeah, it is pretty protected07:16
erstaziI was kind of bummed at first by that07:16
nchntrmaybe i should mount inside /.documents/  ?07:16
pupnik_you could mount to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/myusb for example07:16
Darksmurf.documents? wouldn't that be hidden?07:17
pupnik_the file browser shows the . directories07:18
* Darksmurf doesn't have a tablet yet...its on it's way07:19
nchntrno luck on mounting in .documents07:24
nchntralso cant get mount to take -o user07:24
nchntris there a way to give root permissions to apps in Maemo, enable root at startup (is r&d mode only way?)07:26
nchntrit is showing with "mount" command as being mounted as type vfat (rw)07:27
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Darksmurfnchntr tried editing fstab? '/dev/usbdrive /mnt/usbdrive vfat -options here-'  then 'mount /mnt/usbdrive' ?07:29
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nchntryes i have :(07:29
nchntrand it currently mounted in ../.documents/Usb507:29
nchntras (rw)07:30
Darksmurfw/o a device I can't help07:30
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erstazihallo rkaway107:30
nchntrin xterm in root w/root perm.  i can create a dir inside (on it) just all the maemo apps cant write07:30
nchntroh well, ill overcome eventually :)07:31
nchntrand i can still use my files..07:31
pupnik_what happens if you log-in to xterm as user?07:31
erstazinchntr, what does google say?07:31
nchntrIDK how to login xterm as user07:31
pupnik_su user07:31
Darksmurfnchntr what do you see as 'ls -l' for the mounted dir? not the contents of it..07:32
nchntri see the contents07:32
Darksmurfwhile in '.documents' do ls -l07:32
nchntrwith rw attributes (as root)07:32
Darksmurfwho owns it?07:32
Darksmurf-rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 9217 2007-07-30 12:47 a.out07:33
pupnik_drwxr-xr-x    2 user     users        1024 Aug  7 18:32 myusb07:33
nchntrwhen mkdir as user response  permission denied07:33
Darksmurfok, when you 'ls -l' inside the mount point who owns the files?07:34
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Darksmurf(as root)07:35
nchntrim currently as user07:35
nchntrls -l shows Usb5 as drwxr-xr-x  5 root root07:35
DarksmurfUsb5 is where mounted?07:36
nchntras root... 1sec07:36
DarksmurfI thought 'myusb' was mount point07:36
Darksmurfyou can 'chown user Usb5' to make user own it07:36
nchntrUsb5 inside /home/user/MyDocs/.documents.Usb507:36
nchntrlast . = /07:36
Darksmurfchgrp users Usb507:36
erstaziDarksmurf, chown user:users Usb507:37
erstazihow did it get mounted under .documents?07:37
erstaziso odd07:37
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nchntroperation not permitted (chgrp)07:38
nchntrshall i switch to root login07:38
erstazinchntr, do you have becomeroot?07:39
Darksmurferstazi ahh!07:39
erstaziif so you can just do: sudo gainroot07:39
erstaziand that makes you root07:39
Darksmurfnchntr yeah, you have to do those commands as the owner of the file07:39
Darksmurferstazi he put it there so he could find it in the maemo apps07:40
nchntrok so maemo and all apps will be logged in a user07:40
Darksmurfyeah..(I think...)07:40
Darksmurfin fact, I'm sure of it07:40
nchntrand any directories i make hafta be done as user?  or changfed to user07:40
_Monkeywell, becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
nchntri have become root installed and use sudo gainroot about everytime i use xterm07:41
pupnikyou can't chgrp/chown a mountpoint, n00bs07:41
erstazinchntr, under linux, user is a normal user.. limited abilities07:41
erstazipupnik, oh duh, because root does the mounting anyways07:41
nchntrso then, if i need to be root to make any changes07:41
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nchntrbut then user cant access, i need to enable a root login for maemo?07:42
nchntrugh.. and i thought all the case sensitive and typing (shell) made linux a pita.. :|07:42
pupniknchntr: i think you should mount the volume with uid=2999907:43
pupnikand mount it in MyDocs - that way it belongs to user "user" and all apps should see it and be able to write to it07:44
nchntrwith fstab?07:44
pupnikyeah for great justicce07:44
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nchntrok so i need to delete all dirs and create a new one in /.documents/  (through file manager in maemo) so the dir will be created with user as owner07:45
Darksmurfanyone know how big the 1.4GB vmware image on the wiki expands to?07:45
pupniki was joking about that n00bs thing btw - i'm clueless about almost everything myself07:46
nchntrthen mount with fstab ,user, option and add uid=2999907:46
erstazipupnik, I didn't take offense07:46
erstazinormally mounting is automated for me07:46
erstazirarely do I have to pull out the mount command even on a server07:46
nchntrwe are all noob once sometime more than once :)07:46
erstaziI got my hello world app working on the n77007:47
pupnikmaybe i missed it - you have a battery-powered usb drive/07:47
erstaziso now I know I got the right setup in scratchbox, I am going to roll07:47
pupniknice erstazi  :)07:47
erstaziand its all thanks to pupnik (:07:47
erstazithe savior of the day07:47
erstazihell, the week!07:47
pupnikglad to help07:48
Darksmurfgood stuff!07:48
pupniknow i want to mount usb drive for fun07:48
erstaziI owe you a beer if I am in Europe (:07:48
erstaziUSB cable is real inexpensive07:48
nchntri made one07:49
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Darksmurfanyone know how big the 1.4gb vmware image .tar.bz2 expands to?07:49
DarksmurfI'm at almost 2gb and not even close.. 1 hour in...07:49
nchntrthen found out that the targus notebook USB hub $25 @ Bestbuy has one included07:49
erstaziDarksmurf, I never had them get bigger than 3gb07:49
nchntras did the really small 120G usb Maxtor they had onsale for $8007:50
erstazibut I never installed much on virtual OSes only the essentials07:50
erstazinchntr, is that what you bought?07:50
erstazidoes it get very hot?07:50
nchntrbeen running for 3 hours inside a zipped closed 5x4 daily planner and barely warm to the touch07:51
nchntrneeds 2 usb ports for power07:51
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erstazinot bad07:51
nchntrmy nokia770 sets ina dash mount w/ usb cable to under passenger seat where daily planner is (with 120g and 4p hub and SD reader) plugs into a dual USB Power port (lighter) i got @ wallyworld $5 :)07:52
nchntrbluetooth GPS + maemomapper + my cell (T-Mobile) works like a charm except for routing an POI, harddrive= huge mo3 collection07:53
nchntrplays through a FM adapter07:53
nchntrand its good the way it is, i can access media files from HD but i really want to be able to drop files there, as i use it to sync with PC (and tivo :D )07:56
DarksmurfI intend on mounting an nfs share over the net via wifi or cellphone to access more storage. I already stream my music from home.07:56
nchntri can drop file to and fro my cell phone, dropping to hd is better than syncing with ftp program07:56
Darksmurfcan someone ping me? I seem to be having network issues07:56
nchntrwhen ou get the nfs mounted take notes :)07:57
nchntri was gonan go that route but a NAS under my seat in my car dont seem as easy as the big USB drive (but faster for sure)07:57
DarksmurfI already do it via a zipit wirelss (think 90mhz arm based linux box. designed to send IM messages. wifi only, small keyboard, small screen).07:58
nchntri am having inconsistant results with smbrowse and samba.. need to lear how to setup a share from the n770 (another root shell excursion im sure)07:58
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Darksmurfnchntr do you have access to a desktop w/ linux+samba?07:59
nchntrhehe i have an IMFree somewhere Motorola IM device around somewhere07:59
DarksmurfI have one of those also07:59
nchntronly when i boot a knoppix cd07:59
nchntri have a viewsonic Router/NAS @ home it has samba IDE and USB share, but no time to dig it out and mess with it (after i move on a few months)08:00
nchntri also got pissed cause you cant set security on it (at least not with the html config)08:00
Darksmurfat least for debian and slackware /etc/samba/smb.conf is VERY well commented. then type 'smbmount' as root and it'll give you an example mount command08:01
nchntrafter all my learning with the n770 i may be able to get root access etc.. and change that.. but still need to learn that stuff08:01
nchntrsweet ill dig around there for more info08:01
Darksmurfin /etc/exports I have '/mnt/zipit *(rw)'  it exports /mnt/zipit to ANY host w/ read write access. There is NO could access it right now if you wanted. there are other options for exports to set hosts and other stuff.08:03
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nchntranyone familiar with the app horizon?08:03
Darksmurfthen its just another mount command to connect to nfs08:03
nchntryea just another command (to learn)  hehe i have about 6 days of linux experience :o08:04
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nchntrwhere is the command that give me 36 hours in a day.. 24 just aint 'nuff08:05
* pupnik passes around fresh made coffee08:07
nchntrhehe, too late for that, im on my last hour of the day.. :(08:07
nchntr<-- still @ work08:07
pupnikif you don't have a job or family, your day can be as long or short as you want08:08
erstazipupnik, what if you have both?08:08
nchntrits the job that gets me08:09
pupnikthen you probably shouldn't even be in IRC :P08:09
nchntrbut i put in 50 hrs a week so they dont complain when im late08:09
pupnikyou do admin work at night nchntr ?08:10
nchntrno im at work not working :)08:10
nchntri work for a metal fabrication shop08:10
saaibis there anything such a thing like a script to help build the maemo SDK enviroment?08:11
nchntri help run the shop/labor/projects08:11
nchntrand do all the cadd and computer stuff08:11
pupnikah ok rogers southeast08:11
nchntrim here late cause the facilities are better (cable inet, cable tv and noone around :) )08:11
* pupnik has metalworking experience08:12
nchntrit is normal for my dmseg to repeat some aic23 powering down      aic23 powering up     aic23_init_power() done08:13
nchntrover and over08:13
pupniksaaib: you follow howto?08:13
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pupniknchntr: that's what i get - dmesg is not so useful by default08:13
nchntrwe do architectural and ornamental metal work.08:13
pupniksounds kinda fun actually08:14
Darksmurfso.. is OS2007 stable/useful enough for general use, or should I stick w/ 2006 (or even 2005)?08:14
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nchntrwhat auto noauto setting?08:15
nchntrfstab has mmc1 mount as noauto  but it does mount automatically08:15
pupniki tried 2007he but went back to 2006.  might play with it again on dual-boot08:15
saaibpupnik, I'm following the Hildon Desktop Portability howto but I'm stuck building hildon_desktop code08:15
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pupniksaaib: to set up stock maemo build environment in scratchbox you do not need to compile anything08:17
saaibI'm totally new to the enviroment, so any pointers are welcome08:17
pupnikyou wish to compile and build applications for maemo / Internet Tablet OS?08:17
saaibthat's correct08:17
pupnikwhat is your host operating system on PC?08:18
Darksmurfcan anyone else get to ?08:18
saaibI'll receive my device by friday (hopefully). I'll pretend to work on Fedora 608:18
nchntri can get there darksmurf08:19
_Monkeyscratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together08:21
Darksmurfwhat the heck..I can get there from my router..but my desktop08:21
saaibpupnik, I tried to follow up the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial wiki page, but found out that only until I get my device I can download the SDK? then I find that the Hilton Dekstop should allow me to start without having the device.08:21
saaibIf I try to download the SDK it prompt for the table MAC, so I don't have it yet08:22
pupnikah i think nokia must restrict downloads of the rootfs to device owners08:22
nchntrdoes the devices mounted is fstab show up in the mount command list?08:23
pupnikall mounted devices should show up08:23
Darksmurfsaaib I wanted to have a look at the rootfs, but I ran into the same problem08:24
saaibpupnik, is there any way for me to start coding using Maemo enviroment without having to wait for the device?08:24
nchntrso the mmc listing (last one) is the one from the default fstab (line 1) not a mount command issued later ? in start up seq.08:24
pupniksaaib: good question - there was a vmware image with scratchbox but i don't remember if it contains the maemo rootfs08:24
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nchntrok so then it must be something in the fstab line it dontlike :(08:25
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pupnikif you mount /path/to/your/new/mountpoint  it should look-up that mountpoint and report any errors to commandline08:26
saaibDarksmurf, do you code on maemo?08:26
nchntris there a mountpoint command also?08:26
Darksmurfsaaib I'm in the same boat as you..waiting on the device08:26
nchntrwhere did you order it from?08:27
erstazivnc works :)08:27
Darksmurfsaaib I'm unpacking the vmware image pupnik mentioned...I've still got 45min to go. I'll let you know what I find.08:27
erstazisaaib, I got mine from as well08:27
erstaziDarksmurf, scratchbox works as well but I am doing the torrent as well08:28
erstaziDarksmurf, actually, you are leeching from me08:28
erstaziI am done08:28
nchntri got mine from tigerdirect08:28
saaibhehe I guess we're all in the $144 dlls range :)08:28
Darksmurferstazi ?? I didn't think I used the torrent..08:29
erstazisaaib, I paid $12908:29
erstaziDarksmurf, ah, I did08:29
saaiberstazi, how long ago?08:29
pupnikunique311: multipac pac-man emu sourcecode (fast, with sound) for gp32
pupnik  <- screenshot08:30
erstazisaaib, um... a few weeks ago08:30
erstazisaaib, why?08:30
unique311working on a flash games package..08:30
nchntri paid $140 + $42 for 2year accidental coverage08:30
erstazisaaib, I did the "sign up for googlecheckout" and I did with a new google username (:08:30
unique311place the folder on mmc1 or 208:30
unique311 bookmard the index.html08:31
trevarthanfinally added a song position view to Kagu!
unique311and enjoy flash games and apps08:31
saaiberstazi, ah! got it08:31
pupniksweet trev - audio book fans will adore that08:31
trevarthanOne big step closer to having nice audio book support on the n800!08:31
erstazisaaib, even though I have a few google accounts already (:08:31
saaiberstazi, lol, well you got to do whatever you got to do to get it cheaper08:31
erstaziwhat about speech to text? any open source and light weight and easily hildonized?08:32
erstazisaaib, sometimes, I did the free shipping and it came in 3 days, when they said 5-8 days08:32
erstaziso I was happy08:32
trevarthanyeah, gonna do this ticket soon. like. tomorrow:
pupnikerstazi, i only know of the CMU Sphinx Group Open Source Speech Recognition Engines.08:32
erstaziI am looking to port a speech to text08:32
milhouseah just posted a comment on itt for you mr. trevarthan08:33
trevarthanerstazi: check out the voxforge project.08:33
nchntri got a 1gig RS-MMC from <$20 fwiw08:33
trevarthanerstazi: they use the Julius engine. it's better than CMU, IMO.08:33
erstazivoxforge... interestante08:33
saaiberstazi, I've been checking a lot the status of the shipment.08:33
Darksmurfnchntr thanks for the link08:34
trevarthanmilhouse: oh no. you aren't yelling at me for my crappy looking Kagu UI too, are you?08:34
milhousenot at all :)08:34
erstaziunique311, did you get that psd working?08:34
erstazifor trevarthan08:34
unique311long time ago..08:34
erstaziok good08:34
saaibmhh. I tried one speech recon software along with the firecracker (X10) a couple years ago... I'll try to get the reference from my old pc08:34
milhousebut i am a bit concerned about how the ui eats cpu cycles all the time :(08:34
unique311just have to make new icons08:34
unique311bluetooth icons08:35
milhousetrevarthan: i think you mentioned something about pygame being the culprit...08:35
trevarthanmilhouse: valid question. I'll explain in the thread.08:35
milhousetrevarthan: ta. hopefully something can be done about it in the long term, the ui stealing cycles from a2dp (or other activities) is a bit of a bummer not really the "nokia internet tablet" way08:36
Abulafiatrev, im sorry, i dont know why, but i cant replicate my error with the scanner08:36
Abulafiait didnt work when i wanted to demo it, and then when i wanted it to not work...08:37
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nchntrok this doesnt make sense... where can i add a mount command line to some kinda startup08:41
saaibnchntr, what about fstab?08:41
nchntrit seems (since i boot from MMC that there are all sorts of mounted devices and dirs, but my fstab only has the rootfs and mmc1 (in oem form)08:41
pupnikin linux normally one adds a line to /etc/fstab and it mounts automagically with proper options - maybe not a good idea for the usb drive which will not always be connected08:42
nchntrim starting to agree, but the MMC technically isnt always there either08:42
saaibnchntr, what about autofs?08:42
nchntri have /dev/mmcblk0p2 as the 2nd part. on my MMC it is ext208:43
nchntrit gets mounted but not in the fstab (or am i looking at the wrong fstab?)08:43
saaibnchntr, mounted devices should be shown in mtab08:44
saaibcat /etc/mtab08:44
DarksmurfI think the kernel can tell when a card has been inserted and removed. It can tell when the cover is open.08:44
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nchntrwhere else can i mount a device without using fstab08:44
nchntris there a startup sequence file or something08:44
saaibnchntr, /etc/rc.local ?08:45
sparrmaemo mapper is going to sell me a bluetooth gps unit...08:45
saaibnchntr,  you might want to write a script to check up availability of the usb device before trying to mount it08:45
nchntrwhere would i put that script?  idk linux well08:46
trevarthanmilhouse: check the thread. response posted.08:47
saaibnchntr, the easier will be to use autofs package to automount the usb device when needed, but a simple dummy daemon could do it and you can start that script from /etc/rc.local08:47
milhousetrevarthan: checking... :)08:47
trevarthanmilhouse: long term, I want to separate Kagu's front and back end components so that we can have the PyGame frontend *and* a GTK frontend. For users concerned with CPU usage, the GTK frontend will be the obvious solution.08:48
nchntrcant find /etc/rc.local08:48
trevarthanmilhouse: short term, well, I describe that in the thread.08:48
milhousewhat other alternatives are there to pygame?08:48
trevarthanmilhouse: 3, currently, that I'm aware of08:49
trevarthanmilhouse: 1.) GTK08:49
trevarthanmilhouse: 2.) EFL (Canola will be using this in the next release)08:49
trevarthanmilhouse: 3.) Web interface and javascript/AJAX. I'm not opposed to this either.08:49
trevarthanmilhouse: 4.) CLI frontend.08:50
milhousetrevarthan: some options then, but i guess a significant amount of retooling?08:51
trevarthanI don't have time to code all of those myself, so if we want to see some of those in practice then Kagu is going to need help. I hope to lay out the foundation though.08:51
nchntralright time for some ZzZ's im outtie, thanks for everyons help and suggestions tomorrow is another day08:51
trevarthanyeah. retooling is a good word for it.08:51
milhousetrevarthan: sounds fair enough... see how efl looks in canola08:51
milhousewhat about the openmoko widgets - they were gtk weren't they (i install the demo, seemed ok)08:52
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Darksmurf2 hours 4min to unpack vmware image...4.17GB08:53
trevarthan:) "looks" is so misleading. Anything can "look" excellent. even GTK can be themed. That's a function of the graphics artists behind a project. Of which we currently have none (but unique311 is stepping up there!)08:53
trevarthanI'm not 100% sure about that. I *think* they're GTK widgets.08:53
trevarthanmilhouse: you saw how the widget became invisible during fast scrolling.08:53
milhousetrevarthan: yes, it certainly wasn't perfect08:54
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trevarthanmilhouse: I personally prefer the responsiveness of the pygame scroll widget, but yeah, it'd be nice to try.08:54
trevarthanWe don't need a scroll widget to do a GTK frontend though.08:54
milhousethe only problem i have with the kinetic scrolling is that it sometimes jumps up/down which i think is due to it "locking" on to it's final resting position08:54
trevarthanAnd we probably won't have one the first time around.08:54
trevarthanmilhouse: yeah. I call it "snapping".08:55
trevarthanIt's confusing?08:55
Darksmurfso I see a (modified) tux next to what could be a pda type device... w/ a status bar in vmware..what exactly is loading? Is this just the distro, or is it part of maemo?08:55
milhousenot confusing, but erm.. unattractive?08:55
milhousei'm not sure what to suggest as an alternative, but i wish it didn't do it! :)08:56
trevarthanfunny. some people bitched about the *lack* of snapping on the GTK widget.08:56
milhousei think if you got rid of the OK button, you probably wouldn't need it to snap would you?08:56
pupnikDarksmurf: does the pda device type window have a globe in the upper-left-hand corner?08:57
sparrare there any semi-mature alternate interfaces for the 770?  openbox, gpe, etc?08:57
trevarthanmilhouse: I could always make it an option. Snapping is necessary while we keep the OK button. But once I get rid of that, we're free to do away with snapping too.08:57
pupnikopenbox works somewhat08:57
milhouseexactly and milhouse will be happy :)08:57
Darksmurfpupnik no, now it has reverted to text console "Reading files needed to boot...."08:57
DarksmurfI guess it was the base OS08:57
unique311trevarthan, not sure if I even come close to being a graphics artist....I like playing with photoshop.08:57
trevarthanmilhouse: I'll keep that in mind. remind me if I forget once the OK button goes away (probably not for another release or two)08:57
unique311been drawing all my life though08:58
milhousetrevarthan: will do my best :)08:58
milhousethis made me laugh:
trevarthanunique311: that's ok. your work is very very very appreciated. I've been getting harrassed on ITT for lack of a decent theme. You're helping with that, so I'm very grateful.08:58
pupnik  Darksmurf, this is what the 'desktop' looks like08:59
trevarthanAlright gents, I've got to get some sleep. Night folks.08:59
unique311the OK button...want a descent looking check icon? to replace that08:59
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milhousecya trevarthan08:59
trevarthanunique311: yeah, that sounds good. cya.09:00
milhouseunique - is it worth glyphing up the ok button if it's going to go away within a release or two?09:00
milhousejust my opinion on time/effort/resources etc. :)09:00
qgilAnybody fluent in pidgin for maemo irc usage? I'm trying to make the font smaller so i can see a wider range of conversation but i don't find the way09:01
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milhousedon't have it installed right now... i guess the zoom keys have no effect?09:03
sparranyone here use maemo mapper?09:04
qgilMno milhouse09:04
sparrim curious if it might be worthwhile to add an option to decrease the color depth for downloaded maps09:04
sparrdropping google maps from ~256 colors to ~16 colors cuts the filesize in half09:05
Darksmurfpupnik so I'm in the so called 'Scratchbox enviroment" in the vmware image. It poped up another X server. Is there a way to start the nokia GUI? Or can I just view standard apps?09:06
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qgilThere is font configuration under tools but seems to be for your outgoing text in IM, not to decide whether you want to see others texts in big or smaller fonts09:07
qgilThe app is neat though. A bit unstable still.09:07
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milhouseqqil: yes. just re-installing pidgin then i'll root around to see if it's got any config files which might be ripe for editing09:07
pupnikDarksmurf: standard operating procedure in the scratchbox environment to start the GUI is export DISPLAY=:2 and run af-sb-init.sh09:07
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qgilThx milhouse09:09
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pupnik"A computer without microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard." - Unknown09:12
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Darksmurfperfectly fine09:12
Darksmurfpupnik thanks for the help...headed to bed09:13
pupnikok cheers!09:13
milhouseqgil - you can change the conversation font09:17
sparrwhere can i find info on how ~/.osso/menus/application-menu and /etc/others-menu/* interact?09:17
saaib! [ -d /mnt/usb ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb; while true; do for usb_dev in $(grep sd[a-z][0-9] /proc/diskstats | awk '{print $3}'); do mounted=$(grep /dev/${usb_dev} /etc/mtab | wc -l | awk '{print $1}'); [ $mounted -eq 0 ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb/${usb_dev} && mount /dev/${usb_dev} /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; [ -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount ] && rm -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount && umount /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; done; sleep 10; done09:18
milhouseqgil: go to the buddy list, open the app menu -> Tools -> Preferences09:18
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milhouseqgil: Conversations tab, then untick "Use font from theme" and choose your preferred font in the font choose (font family, style and size etc.)09:19
milhouseqgil: click close, and any *new* conversations will use your new font - existing conversations continue to use the old theme font09:19
milhouseqgil: NewCourier/Regular/12 point works quite well09:21
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qgilMilhouse i have tried that but i seem to be getting the same font09:30
milhouseeven with new conversations?09:30
sparrseems odd that there would be near 10MB worth of garbage media in Documents by default09:30
qgilLet me restart...09:30
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milhouseand do you have the latest version of pidgin installed?09:31
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qgilmilhouse: ahahà now it works!09:33
milhouseodd, no need to restart pidgin here, although the new font only takes effect in _new_ conversations09:33
saaibpupnik, in terms of start developing a test app (not looking at the maemo UI), any pointers? Every page that talks about detting development enviroment requires the SDK. It's odd09:34
milhouseie. you need to exit/rejoin chats to pick up the new font09:34
milhousei'm running pidgin 2.1.0 here btw (latest version)09:34
qgilAh ok, i didn't try exit/rejoin09:34
qgilAnyway, works4me now (and the sound ping sounds loud enough) :)09:35
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tigertmorning people10:13
pupnikkeep the home fire burning...10:15
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disq_Monkey: logs are at
_MonkeyOK, disq.10:44
_Monkeylogs are at
MikaTHi. Does anyone know if its possible to get conbtdialogs-dev package (from Nokia binaries) to Maemo 3.2?10:49
MikaTLooks like it is removed since 3.1 according to
MikaTI need to compile a certain SW in 3.2 that is developed with earlier Maemo.10:51
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`0660might be more sensible to implement it with the new preferred way10:53
`0660and easier...10:53
MikaTYep, that's what I'm afraid of:)10:55
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unique311place the folder in mmc1 or 210:56
unique311inside it you will find index.html10:56
unique311run it10:56
unique311bookmark it10:56
MikaT `0660: Do you know anything about that package and what is used to replace it? I know nothing yet about that conbtdialogs-dev10:56
unique311play all types of flash game via the web browser10:57
`0660no, i haven't used it10:58
unique311the package is 26MB of flash goodness..well stuff to pass the times.10:59
unique311minigolf is fun.11:00
pupniki bet flash is a lot faster on the 80011:01
unique311well the particular games and apps work well on the N80011:01
pupnikthe 770 can play hamster dance, and badger mushroom11:01
unique311i doubt 770 users will have issues with my package11:01
pupniki'll test11:01
unique311spent a good amount of time on it..I do not know html. Thank god for dreamweaver.11:02
pupnikhomestarrunner is a bit too slow on the 77011:02
unique311don't have that.11:03
unique311all the games in this package i made sure were running really good...11:04
unique311the ones i did download that were slow..i got rid of them11:04
unique311found a descent pac-man while at it11:04
unique311the other seven downloads. can you please let me know what needs to be fixed, likes and don't likes..11:07
pupnikok i got stuck on homestar again11:07
unique311kinda annoying..11:08
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unique311i was viewing it with my notebook..11:08
pupniki don't remember how long that email has been going on - long time11:08
pupniksbemail4.html ruled for the temple of apshai reference11:09
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unique311pupnik, sbemail.html runs on the N80011:14
pupnikyeah it's pretty strange stuff11:15
pupniktoo slow on 770 though11:15
unique311you have flash9 with the new firmware right?11:16
pupnik2006se here11:16
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pupnikwhoah 27MB11:17
pupnikidiot me dumped it onto home11:17
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unique311mmc1 or 211:18
unique311just bookmark index.html when you run it the first time..11:18
pupnikdoesn't want to untar on 77011:20
pupnikuntars fine on PC though11:20
unique311tarred it with 7zip...11:20
unique311might be the issue11:20
pupnikfile ../MFlash.tar11:21
pupnik../MFlash.tar: tar archiv11:21
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zuhAnyone got a sane (preferrably direct) link for that? Divshare gave the file once to me but it was aborted and now it doesn't give it anymore...11:25
pupnikwow lots of stuff11:25
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saaibdoes the 770 (2006) includes glibc 2.5?  I'm trying to figure out which one to download from scratchbox11:26
pupnikwhy are you downloading glibc.  that's in your root fs11:26
unique311hold on11:27
unique311try again11:28
saaibpupnik, scratchbox-toolkit-cs###-glibc-arm and glibc-i386, that's on the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial page11:28
unique311if it fails..i'll upload it to another site11:28
saaibbut scratchbox has glibc-arm|i386 and glibc-2.5-arm|i386, which one should i use?11:29
unique311i think it failed because alot of people were downloading it11:29
unique311the lurkers11:29
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pupniki have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm for 2.2 / gregale11:34
pupnikgravityball too slow, cubecrash doesn't display anything11:36
unique311zuh, is it working?11:37
pupnikblix works ok except for end11:37
unique311i have another link11:37
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unique311maybe its a 2006HE only think11:37
unique311i need more input11:37
saaibpupnik, and the glibc version in the filesystem what version it is?11:38
unique311hmm, myabe i should try it in the opera browser also..11:38
pupnikapt-cache show libc611:38
pupnikVersion: 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4.osso1811:38
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:39
AD-N770rainy day in Barcelona11:39
pupniksame here - i should be outside working11:40
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AD-N770Where are you pupnik ?11:40
pupniknear frankfurt germany11:40
* pupnik will work in afternoon11:40
pupnikbrowser crash11:41
AD-N770I'm at work now :)11:41
unique311cubecrash is slow..11:41
pupnikthis was on that blix game11:42
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unique311gravityball is playable on here...11:43
unique311blix also11:43
pupniki'll make some notes in a textfile11:43
saaibpupnik, thanks!11:43
pupnikyw saaib :)11:43
saaibwe've nice weather lately... sometimes a little host11:44
infobotsaaib meant: we've nice weather lately... sometimes a little hot11:44
unique311if divshare doesn't work11:44
milhousebug 972 comment 311:45
_MonkeyBug 972 might be found at
milhousethat sounds like good news for the future11:45
zuhunique311: thanks11:50
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zuhunique311: I got it now11:51
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madamhello all; i'd like to embed JavaScript into one of my applications.  can you help me finding a suitable interpreter library?  i can't find prepackaged any.12:24
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konttorihow about webkit12:26
madamkonttori: do you mean ?12:27
floriangood morning12:28
konttorimaybe you want to strip it from unnecessary stuff, but that should have pretty good javascript lib.12:29
konttorianyway, just an idea12:29
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madamkonttori: maybe i'm just being blind, but garage sais they haven't released any files,  am i looking in the wrong direction?12:31
konttoriwell, I think you could just take the original webkit as well. Or wait for them to release (or contact them)12:31
florianhi mallum12:33
mallumhello florian12:33
madamhmm, thanks anyway.  do you happen to know how it compares to the JS library of Mozilla (libmozjs) ?12:34
milhousewebkit for maemo can be built out of the webkit svn, apparently12:35
milhousesee this mailing list discussion which has some links to the svn:
milhousenice... with svg suppor too12:40
infobotmilhouse meant: nice... with svg support too12:40
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saaibtime to sleep, g'nit all12:48
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milhousenew version of microb available in app manager... seems to install ok on top of the original release... not noticed any bug fixes or improvements (but then I thought the original was pretty good) :)13:03
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disqi can't install the new microb, it depends on microb-engine13:05
disqshould ask timeless when he's around13:05
roope it's strange to spot texrat walking down with qgil our offices. :)13:06
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konttoriroope: is texrat a helsinki resident these days?13:12
roopeno, he's just visiting.13:20
konttoriahh... just wondering. He's been such a visible character at the internettablettalk13:22
roopeyeah. :)13:27
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konttoriomg. apple has finally launched numbers. sweet.13:30
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roopethe new imac design is a bit off, imho. it looks like an old 80's television. with the "surureunat", black edges.13:31
konttoriI agree. Also, no audience reaction in the launch event.13:31
roopeAnd the "Jay Leno chin" still down at the bottom. :)13:31
konttoriIt's like a no-news item13:31
roopeYeah, the video ... There's really a power in getting a fanatical crowd to watch those events.13:31
roopeThat was presented really somewhere else, to non-fans.13:32
pupnikapple did a deal with intel though :( boo13:32
roopeIt makes a bit difference. To hear the claps after every sentence.13:32
konttoriAnyway, nice hardware upgrade and might look better when I see it live, but the presentation one didin't look that good.13:32
konttoriOTOH the BT keyboard looks like one I might switch to.13:32
pupniki think apple is tired of underdog cpus13:32
roopeJobs even held some pauses, waiting for applause.13:32
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konttoritrue. Well, he got a few, but probably not in the places he was expecting them.13:33
konttoriNumbers really looks like a 'smart' way to use spreadsheets.13:34
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greygoooh, apple presented new stuff?13:43
greygooI only owna macbook, but its enough for me to not wanna touch apple stuff again13:43
greygoosince > 6 updates they just don;t get the powermanagement work reliable :(13:44
konttoriyeah, apple launched new imac and ilife13:44
konttoriand iwork13:44
greygoomh, nice for their targetgroup13:44
greygooi really was fascinated by the iphone, until i got facts about it ... that was when i bought the n800 ;)13:45
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pupniki'm surprised how much crosstalk there is between iphone and n800 markets13:50
guru3im waiting for openmoko13:57
gla55_any recent news on that?14:02
gla55_i'm not too intrested in openmoko untill they have a device with decent featureset..14:02
guru3the developer edition is out14:02
guru3mass market edition in october14:02
guru3that one will mave more storage, better cpu, and wifi14:03
gla55_yeah but that was old news14:03
guru3that's all i know14:04
guru3i just am interested in it14:04
gla55_and just adding wifi doesn't quite cut the featureset to decent14:04
guru3ive been using the same phone for over 4 years now14:04
guru3any phone is an improvement14:04
guru3in the meantime i use a 77014:06
guru3so it's all ok14:06
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gla55_i just prefer 3g over wifi quite a bit14:07
guru3im not that fussed myself14:08
gla55_hsdpa rocks14:08
guru3the reason my phone is so old now is because i hardly ever use it14:08
gla55_compared to edge, and has several advantages over wifi.. like being available14:08
guru3a moko would be more like a toy than a phone really14:08
gla55_a greenphone would be more like a toy at this point too :\14:09
guru3i think that'd be even more of a toy than a moko14:10
guru3but i don't really know anything about it so that's first impression14:10
guru3anywho, g2g14:11
pupnika cell phone is what an employer pays me extra for to be able to reach me when a server goes down14:12
pupnikalternatively what a girlfriend pays for to be able to nag me14:13
gla55_greenphone seemed quite nice tbh. but, boring featureset as a phone in this day and age(so, suck for personal use.     and no market at least yet for apps so nogo profession wise)14:15
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dubdibdubdo you already know that tut??15:05
pupnikhi lardman15:05
dubdibdubhi there15:05
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pupnikwhat's with the spam dubdibdub15:06
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guardianis there an os 2007 theme repository somewhere ?16:04
pupnikyou can get the debs for the stock 2007 themes16:07
guardianwhich repository should i use for that ? gonna try in sdk16:08
pupnikthe bora repos16:08
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pupnikif you are using os2006 you can search the web for themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb16:10
guardian"apt-cache search theme" doesn't return such themes-os07 package :(16:11
guardianalthough i have bora configured16:11
pupnikin it2006 with mistral/gregale repos i see osso-theme-theme1 - Color variation 1 them etc16:12
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guardianwell i browsed 3.2 packages16:16
guardianfound nothing16:17
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amrin canola how can i remove a tracks entry16:18
amrfor some reason its found a track that isnt there16:18
amrand of course errors trying to play it16:18
lsobralamr, you can go to canola-conf and push the rescan button to update the file entries16:20
amrah, ty16:20
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guardiantigert: by chance, do you know if there are debs for the n800 themes ?16:24
tigertwhich themes?16:25
tigertthe official themes are not freely available, but plankton exists as deb, but it is not yet compatible with the latest release16:26
tigertI need to fix it a bit16:26
tigertsorry about the delay  :/16:26
disqwe miss plankton16:26
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konttoriHey, kudos for the nokia mozilla browser developer. The updated version seems and feels much nicer than previous one.16:29
guardiandoes it happen to you: when i launch my app in armel sdk (with qemu) i notice a big lag at the very beginning16:30
guardianthen it's smooth16:30
guardiantigert: yes the official themes, why not providing debs when one can bother taking the files out of the device ?16:31
disqit didn't happen to me in mistral. I don't use qemu-armel anymore, I just cp over the binaries and use the device.16:31
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guardianalso i never try to debug with armel/qemu, does it work ?16:32
guardiannever tried16:32
disqdont really remember16:32
MoRpHeUzkonttori: at ukmp you just play videos on fullscreen right ?16:33
disqi think i couldn't get it to work and used intel target to debug instead16:33
konttoriusing mplayer16:33
konttoribasically just a call to mplayer16:33
tigertguardian: they come with the device anyway16:34
tigertguardian: so what use would they be separately?16:34
disqtigert: scratchbox perhaps?16:35
tigertwell, plankton is imho much nicer theme *cough*16:35
disqdoesn't it still has the fugly it2005 theme16:35
tigertit has plankton afaik16:35
tigertat least it will have16:35
tigertsince the ugly 2005 theme is no more, plankton took its place16:35
MoRpHeUzkonttori: yeah...I'm having problems playing videos (w/ mplayer) on a given wid (when I go to fullscreen and come back...xv crashes)16:35
guardiantigert: checking the look & feel of my app in the sdk16:35
konttorido you have 770?16:36
disqbtw have you checked out kagu? you should :)16:36
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kulve_guardian: it's pretty easy to copy the theme from the device to sdk..16:36
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MoRpHeUzkonttori: daniel stone talked about this on the list some time ago...16:36
guardianindeed it's easy16:36
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guardianapt-get install is even easier16:36
konttoriso, the problem is related to one vid?16:36
konttoriIf that is the case, it sounds like it's a crash bug in mplayer16:37
konttoriand as such, you should contact serge and send the vid to him to test16:37
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MoRpHeUzkonttori: no..any vid...serge talked with dstone sometime ago on maemo-dev about this...serge was saying it was a bug on xv e dstone saying it was on mplayer hehe16:38
tigertguardian: yeah16:38
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tigertguardian: but yea, currently they are part of the branding and thus not part of the sdk16:38
konttoriahh... sounds nasty. which firmware do you have?16:38
MoRpHeUzkonttori: the fact is that if you run mplayer and go to fullscreen and go back it doesnt crash...but if you give a xid with -wid then we have the problem =(16:38
MoRpHeUzkonttori: last one....16:38
konttori-wid ... what's that?16:39
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konttorioh, you mean like playing in an app window?16:39
MoRpHeUzkonttori: exactly16:40
konttoriahh... all right. I'm getting it now. Sounds really annoying.16:40
konttorialso, sounds like a mplayer problem, as the default player is able to work that way.16:40
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konttoriHmm... I wonder if that applies to only gtk windows or also to sdl windows.16:41
konttoribecause if it works in sdl, I might add that to the next version of ukmp.16:41
MoRpHeUzkonttori: yeah..good point...I'm using gtk windows..16:42
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konttoriSo, how should I call mplayer?16:48
konttoriwhat should be in the -wid ?16:48
konttoriJust the application name or what?16:48
konttoriahh... it's actually an id. How can I get it?16:48
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X-FadeHmmm nice:
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X-FadeAnd this webkit browser even does SVG..
guardianwhich repository should i configure, to get cairo in the sdk ,16:56
MoRpHeUzkonttori: using gtk ?16:56
MoRpHeUzkonttori: it's the window id16:56
MoRpHeUzkonttori: objects that have property "window.xid"16:57
konttoridisq: were you asking me about kagu?16:58
disqkonttori: no :) it got mixed up i guess16:58
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disqi was asking tigert16:58
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konttoriahh.. cool.17:02
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William_WWhy do i get: mount: Mounting on /media/nfs failed: No such device17:06
William_WWhen i try to mount my NFS-server on my Nokia 77017:06
William_W/media/nfs does exist17:06
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NeoStriderhello folks17:21
_Monkeyque tal, MoRpHeUz17:22
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NeoStriderWho would know that Beryl acually helps me debugging my SDL game17:23
NeoStriderit makes it slower, just like it would be on the tablets17:23
erstazihi NeoStrider17:25
NeoStriderhello erstazi17:25
NeoStriderwhats up?17:25
erstaziNeoStrider, not too much, do you package for maemo at all?17:25
NeoStrideryeah...sure...but using MaemoWizard17:26
erstazihow do you set a maintainer's name when using dh_make? i have the parameter -e but there isn't a maintainer's name parameter, also should I prepend to the email address my name?17:27
NeoStridercontrol file?17:29
NeoStriderlet me check here17:29
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NeoStridercontrol file17:30
NeoStrider"Maintainer: Daniel Monteiro <> "17:30
NeoStrider(from angstron)17:30
erstaziI guess I will have to do that after I run dh_make17:31
NeoStriderthats what I do...17:32
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erstaziNeoStrider, I am porting PocketSphinx17:36
NeoStriderwhat is it17:36
erstaziso far, all that I see that it depends on is Sphinxbase17:36
erstazispeech to text... so I can just speak into the nokia instead of tapping17:36
erstaziI think I found out where the input methods are stored17:36
erstaziI am going to read up tonight and see if I can add it as a method if this all works17:37
|tbb|that would be cOOl17:38
erstazinow to automate the adding of an input method, that would be nice17:40
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NeoStridererstazi: but the binaries do work?17:50
bluehasherstazi: how much did you get your n800 for17:51
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NeoStridergot to go18:10
NeoStriderhope erstazi get the voice thing to work18:10
erstazibluehash, I have a 77018:12
erstaziNeoStrider, I had to run to the shop for a second, I haven't installed anything yet18:12
erstaziI have some down time from svn'ing and vnc'ing my work18:12
NeoStriderah want a second 770 for testing purposes, count on me18:12
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erstazibluehash, and I hear amazon has great deals on n80018:16
erstazidon't buy on ebay, most of the people bidding do not realize the prices of other places that have the n800 for sale18:16
erstazihello bipolar, shackan, bergie, klausade18:18
erstaziand hello * (everyone else)18:18
erstazihow are yinz today?18:18
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ajturnerhrm, trying to update my N800 - when I plugin the USB and then the charger - my desktop says "USB device found found at bus 005, device address 035"18:24
ajturnerand then drops back to a prompt - without updating18:25
erstaziajturner, I have a 770 so I am sorry18:26
erstazithere might be something on itt forums or maemo talking about that18:26
ajturnerbergie should know!18:27
bergieajturner: what OS are you using to flash?18:27
ajturnerhave you done it yet on your laptop?18:28
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bergieI've always flashed from Mac18:29
ajturnerthere is a flasher on the mac?18:30
erstaziajturner, there is18:30
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ajturnerfor 3.0?18:30
erstaziajturner, ubuntu has a flasher as well18:30
ajturnererstazi: I'm aware of that, which is where I'm stuck18:30
erstazinot just ubuntu18:30
bluehasherstazi: Thanks18:30
ajturnerI only see the flasher-2.0 for mac18:30
ajturnerbergie: that will work with 2007?18:31
bergieI think it does... I used it to update my N800 at least18:31
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erstaziajturner, I think its just flashing for OS200618:32
erstaziso you will have OS200618:33
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erstazihi solmumaha and greentux18:33
ajturnererstazi: depends on the image I throw at it - what is not clear is how it will handle a 2007 image, but bergie sez it'll work18:33
erstaziajturner, that is true18:33
erstazican't hurt to try it18:33
ajturnererstazi: are you sure it can't?18:33
erstaziajturner, that would seem fishy, I wouldn't do it myself, I prefer a stable method18:34
ajturnererstazi: which goes back to my original q18:34
erstaziajturner, can you clarify your issues with using flasher 3.0  on ubuntu18:34
erstaziajturner, I am on ubuntu myself but I do not have a n80018:34
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erstaziajturner, (look at Flashing the Nokia N800)18:36
ajturnererstazi: I followed those instructions, and this is what happens:18:37
ajturnerSuitable USB device not found, waiting18:37
ajturnerUSB device found found at bus 005, device address 03518:37
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ajturnerit drops out, and never did the update18:37
ajturnerI even tried the perl patch at the bottom18:37
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erstaziajturner, now, try it again18:39
erstazirun through the whole sequence again18:39
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erstaziajturner, follow Flashing the Nokia N800 again from the url I listed18:41
erstaziand see if we can get this to work again18:41
ajturnererstazi: why would it be diff't the third time I gry?18:41
erstaziajturner, there might be a method to this madness!18:41
ajturneryou haven't explained a method yet18:42
erstaziI am assuming you tried this: N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-butto18:42
ajturneryes, assuming the home button is the one with the icon of the house on it18:42
ajturnerthere, 6 times - no change18:43
erstaziajturner, you have a mac? do you have windows?18:44
erstazithose are your other sources18:44
erstaziI never heard anyone having a problem with running this flasher on ubuntu18:44
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ajturnererstazi: I have all 3 - however, the only instructions referring to 2007 use the Flasher-3.0 which is linux only18:45
erstaziajturner, nokia's website has a windows flasher18:45
erstazimaemo is where the linux flasher is18:45
Darksmurfso I just started the scratchbox enviroment on the vmware image. I got the maemo gui. but the control panel, etc is empty. How would I go about installing apps? From the console apt-get?18:45
erstaziDarksmurf, you can do it that way18:46
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Darksmurfis there a way for me to get the 'real' control panel, etc? I'm just trying to see what the OS is like, not develop - yet. I havn't gotten my device yet.18:48
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erstaziDarksmurf, I am not sure with the vmware image, I would suggest just installing all that, it should be on maemo18:49
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erstaziDarksmurf, I would help more but I am working at the moment18:49
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Darksmurfno problem thanks18:49
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tsoi guess it could be my spotty wifi but has anyone had hit&miss like behaviour using uktube on a 770?19:19
erstazitso, sometimes19:21
erstaziright now I have a DNS issue to resolve with my router19:21
tsohit it with a hammer until it either behaves or stops working fully...19:22
erstaziactually, I think its now just Opera19:22
erstazigoing to verify19:22
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tsoif its opera on the 770 your having issues with i can relate. given how good the opera on a desktop is, the opera on the 770 is just insane...19:23
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tsoi sure hope someone backport the webkit or mozilla stuff to 77019:23
erstaziopera is alright for the desktop19:23
erstazitso, minimo?19:23
_Monkeyminimo is probably (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices.
erstazitso, I got bored one night so I added _Monkey with response bait19:24
tsoi looked into getting minimo installed but well...19:24
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tsoallways fun19:24
erstaziIRC works on 77019:25
tsoheh, rebuilding the software collection after reflashing the device (application manager started having issues) is a fun experience. had forgotten about the stuff until i went to install pidgin19:25
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erstazinow to see if the browser will give me what I want19:25
erstazitso, do you know about sources.list?19:25
tsonope :(19:26
erstaziwell I have a sources.list for you:
erstazibasically, do you have xterm installed?19:26
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erstazihi jyro19:26
_Monkeyprivet, jyro19:27
tsoim impressed by the number of protocols that pidgin supports19:27
erstazitso, yeah, I still use gaim19:27
_Monkeyxterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters.
erstazitso, if you get that xterm installed, then becomeroot19:28
erstazithen you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list19:28
erstaziok, links and links2 work19:31
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tsowoho, minimo didnt like me using the finger keyboard...19:38
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tsook, for all the bugs in opera, i still prefer it. on on-screen drag, issues with the finger keyboard, and not respecting the full screen button?!19:44
tsohmrf, i guess i should have looked closer at some stuff...19:45
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sparrwthe first time i sync with a new bluetooth input device, my 770 reboots.  then it works fine.19:48
sparrwthe first time my boss ran the OMWeather applet, ditto.19:48
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Darksmurfso whats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image?19:55
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milhousebug 1682 - that's how nokia should use bugzilla!!! :)20:27
_MonkeyBug 1682 might be found at
milhouse(thanks timeless)20:27
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maddlerevening all...20:43
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Justinhi! I'm writing a little app with pygtk, should I be trying to get a gtk.Dialog to be fullscreen, or should I be making a modal gtk.window?20:44
tsoany way to sync gpe calendar with a phone?20:44
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RobHuIs there a howto somewhere on how to use the flasher to put the 2007 OS on a SD card in the N800? I already have a boot menu thing to ask if I want to boot from flash or internal ram.20:47
milhouseputting os 2007 on sd is pretty much the same as putting os 2006 on mmc20:48
RobHuI can't remember what switch I need for the flasher20:49
RobHuto say use the internal mmc20:49
milhousei thought you said you had the boot menu installed?20:49
RobHuI did that *ages* ago when the n800 came out ;-)20:49
RobHuMy memory is not so good20:49
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RobHumilhouse: Do you know how to do it?20:51
milhousethe flasher way or boot menu way?20:51
RobHuI have the boot menu20:51
RobHuand I just got a new sd card20:51
RobHuI was hoping I could use the flasher to put the OS on the flash card and walk away20:51
milhouseif you have the boot menu, choose the 3rd option down20:51
milhouseno, that won't work20:51
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milhouseyou can't install the OS on to the SD card using flasher20:52
RobHuthe third option is flash card (internal)20:52
RobHuI need to go out fairly soon so I'll just flash it normally and worry about making it work on the internal sd card later20:52
RobHuthanks for the help20:52
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Darksmurfwhats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image?20:59
Darksmurf(scratchbox that is)21:00
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guardiando you use xnvserver on the device ? i find it slow :(21:17
erstaziguardian, I have used it before21:17
erstaziI used vncviewer21:17
erstaziand xvncserver is ok to view the tablet from a pc21:17
erstazithe server lets a remote connection to view whats on the tablet21:18
erstazithe vncviewer lets you view other desktops and use21:18
guardiani'm running this server on the tablet
guardianbut it's a bit slow21:18
erstaziare you connecting to the tablet from a pc?21:19
guardiani wonder if it's because of wifi or because the n800 is not powerful enough21:19
guardianyeah from a pc21:19
erstaziwhat client are you using on the pc?21:19
guardianwhat comes with ubuntu :)21:19
guardianjust typed vncviewer in command line21:19
guardianwould usb network be faster than wifi ?21:19
erstaziwhat ip address are you connecting to?21:19
erstaziguardian, no21:19
guardianthe ip of the n80021:19
erstaziare you using wireless G or B?21:19
guardianit's registered in dhcp21:20
guardianso i just type vncviewer n80021:20
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erstaziwhat you might need to do is change the color depth and the resolution21:20
erstaziwhat screen resolution did you choose?21:20
guardianwhere ?21:20
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erstazithe color depth can be 8 and not 16 or whatever the n800 has21:20
erstaziguardian, Applications > Internet > Terminal Server Client21:21
guardiani changed nothing to the server, since it's just clicking extras>x11vnc21:21
erstaziguardian, you have to change the settings in the client21:21
erstazia color depth of 16 or 24 is a lot to transfer21:21
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guardianwell not that better21:23
guardianscreen refresh is still slugish21:23
erstazilet me try some settings21:24
erstazido you have rdesktop installed?21:24
guardianspecially when the mouse is moving fast21:24
guardianyes i guess so21:24
erstaziguardian, sudo apt-get install rdesktop on your ubunu21:25
guardianit's installed21:25
erstaziI believe thats the same as the Terminal Server client21:26
erstazibut I am going to give you a command21:26
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erstaziguardian, rdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS21:28
erstazianything in caps need changed to your settings21:28
erstaziyou can change IPADDRESS to n80021:29
erstaziit should work21:29
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guardiani don't have rdesktop server on the device21:30
erstaziyou don't need it21:30
erstazix11vnc will work with it21:30
guardiandoesn't work21:30
erstazirdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -p YOUPASSWORD -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS21:30
erstaziI forgot -p21:30
guardianwith vncviewer i don't need any user/pass21:31
erstaziI don't run vncviewer through terminal on ubuntu, I use the actual GUI21:32
erstaziand it should have settings to alter the color depth and resolution21:32
erstazialso if force bitmap updates is set21:32
guardianwith terminal server client21:32
guardiani don't need to specify user pass as well21:32
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guardianisn't usb networking faster ?21:34
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erstaziguardian, I am not sure, but honestly, I use VNC every day, its a fact of life with that being slow21:39
erstaziif you can get the display colors or color depth down to 8 (it will only be 256 colors then) you will see an improvement21:40
erstazithere will always be a lag, its just a fact of things21:40
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erstaziif you can look into NX, I would use it21:40
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erstaziguardian, http://nomachine.com21:40
erstazithey have versions for *nux21:40
guardianan nxserver on the device would be nice21:41
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erstaziguardian, I am not sure if they have nxserver for ARM arch and debian21:45
erstazithey are closed source but NX client works nicely on ubuntu as well21:45
erstaziI have had to use it a few times21:45
guardiani recently tried the new shadow session21:46
guardianbut keyboard layout is badly fucked up21:46
guardianwas not usable21:46
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erstaziguardian, I vnc'ed to my nokia 770, I was able to type into xterm but not anything else with my pc's keyboard21:50
erstazithe command line needs tweaking and if I wasn't working I would mess with it more21:50
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erstaziI need to get a plug in for the keyboard though21:52
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milhouseooh... new mplayer on garage just released by serge22:04
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milhousePNG and JPG support added to mplayer - good for kagu?22:05
milhouseand ALSA sound output22:05
zafhi guys, quick question, i'm sure it's a FAQ, but does the 770 run all the same software as the 800?22:05
milhousekind of22:06
zafgetting a 404 at
milhousethe answer is yes, in most cases22:06
erstazizaf, most of the time, there are apps that run on both, but I have found that no, there are some apps that will not22:06
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infobotmilhouse meant: the answer is yes, in many cases22:07
erstazizaf, scratchbox has became a friend to me (: so I like to port22:07
erstazizaf, I would stick to a good sources.list so you don't have to keep downloading through the browser22:07
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zafjust seeing how cheap the N770s are, and wondering if it's worth a new toy ;)22:08
erstazizaf, I have a 77022:08
erstazizaf, and I am not upset with buying it22:09
zafhow's the keyboarding?22:09
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erstazizaf, do you like tapping a screen or teaching it to do handwriting?22:09
zafprolly prefer tapping22:09
zafmy handwriting is bad22:09
erstazizaf, you can teach it your handwriting, its pretty good implementation22:10
zafif it can learn my handwriting, it's smarter than me22:10
erstazizaf, I have a syndrome called doctor's handwriting22:10
erstazibut I am not a doctor22:10
zafyeah, my grandfather was a Dr, and i inherited that trait from him22:10
erstazialso you can ssh to it or vnc to your nokia22:11
zafhoping to use it as an ssh client mostly22:11
zafis the 800 just faster?22:11
erstazizaf, if you buy one, I have a pretty decent sources.list and there are many apps we can suggest to you to download and install22:11
erstazizaf, I would assume it is, especially being a newer model a year and a half later22:12
zafis it a usb host, or just device?22:13
erstaziwhat do you mean usb host precisely?22:13
zafcan you plug usb devices into it?22:13
erstaziyou can plug usb devices into it22:13
erstazisome people hook up keyboards, harddrives, etc22:14
erstazithe hard drive part is complex but the keyboard isn't22:14
erstaziI would suggest a bluetooth keyboard though22:14
erstazireally, it just breaks down to do you want to spend $130 or $330?22:14
r4sput1nfor doing 770 development, would I be better off using scratchbox 0.9.8/maemo 2.0 or scratchbox 1.0.7/maemo 2.2?22:16
erstazir4sput1n, do you have the latest updates?22:16
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erstazir4sput1n, I use latter myself22:17
erstazis/use latter/use the latter/22:17
infoboterstazi meant: r4sput1n, I use the latter myself22:17
r4sput1nI have the latest stable OS update for the 77022:17
erstazithen I would use the latter22:17
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erstazir4sput1n, scratchbox is great (:22:18
r4sput1nhave you tried using the laika plugin for eclipse?22:18
timelesswhere do bugs about hildon go?22:19
timelesswhich bug tracker?22:19
timelessgnome, bugs.maemo, or something else?22:19
erstazihildon is part of gnome22:19
r4sput1nerstazi: thanks22:19
erstazir4sput1n, no problem (:22:19
erstazir4sput1n, don't give in easy!22:19
erstazitimeless, I would say gnome22:19
timelessok, find me the component in
timelessand i'll file it there22:20
erstazitimeless, want me to make it appear there haaha22:20
timelesserstazi: you can't find it either :)22:21
X-FadeIs there anyone with a IT-2005 OS Nokia 770 still around? I need something tested :)22:22
timelessx-fade: um, i have access to a bunch of 770s22:22
timelessi can flash...22:22
X-Fadetimeless: Just need the browser identification string :)22:22
timelesshrm, um22:23
timelessi might be able to cheat on that22:23
X-FadeI have a few 770's but they are all 2006..22:23
erstazi   ?22:23
trevarthanmilhouse, if you're around, you might be interested in this:
milhousedo you mean that change or another one?22:25
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trevarthanmilhouse: that one. speeds up AVRCP commands.22:26
timelesshow complete does it need to be? :)22:27
milhouseah, cool22:27
timelessMozilla/%s (%s; U) Opera 8.0222:27
milhousethat's forward/back via the bluetooth headset?22:27
trevarthanmilhouse: yeah, and pause.22:27
milhousei'll have to give that a go... will that be in kagu 1.0.3?22:27
trevarthansure will.22:27
timelessthat's from pe222:27
trevarthanmilhouse: hopefully we'll release this Sunday.22:27
milhousemarvelous. did you see serge has released a new mplayer with jpg/png/alsa support?22:27
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* timeless is having trouble finding flashes22:28
X-Fadetimeless: I think the only thing I need is the browser number..22:28
trevarthanmilhouse: yeah, I instigated that.22:28
timelessso the 8.02 is sufficient?22:28
ajturnerinteresting, someone from Dallas is trying to hack into my itt forum account22:28
X-Fadetimeless: like 0.4.31 or 0.4.3422:28
timelessx-fade: is that from the ui?22:29
trevarthanmilhouse: slowly working toward making A2DP easy for people on the n800. :)22:29
milhousecool - let me know when/if any script changes are required and i'll update my a2dp-for-dummies install script22:29
X-Fadetimeless: Nope.. those 2 were 2006.22:29
X-Fadetimeless: yeah, I guess so.22:29
trevarthanmilhouse: does your script install mplayer?22:29
X-Fadetimeless: Both are Opera 8.0222:29
milhousetrevarthan: yes, it will22:29
X-FadeAn I think 2005 had 8.02 also?22:29
trevarthanOK. Well, that mplayer release will hit soon, if it hasn't already. You'll need to make sure the user has at least version .1822:30
timelessso it seems22:30
milhousetrevarthan: but assuming you can use the latest version from serge i'll update it to check the version and install only if necessary22:30
timelessi'm just using on :)22:30
timelessit was faster than trying to find the download site :)22:30
trevarthanmilhouse: yeah. I'll be removing the binary from my site in a few days.22:30
milhousetrevarthan: i guess mplayer should be pulled from garage rather than your site?22:30
trevarthanmilhouse: should be pulled from, not garage. once it hits, that is.22:31
* timeless tries running the flasher22:31
milhousetrevarthan - yes, that makes life easier... can remove the wget mplayer-* entirely22:32
trevarthanit's too bad AVRCP doesn't include seek commands. that would be handy22:32
X-Fadetimeless: I doubt that there are many people still on OS2005, but ...22:33
timelessok, flashing22:33
_Monkeyflashing is headache enough, why make it worse22:33
timelessit'll take 2mins22:33
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* timeless can't make heads or tails out of this stuff22:34
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timelessx-fade: i can't /msg :(22:40
timelessMozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en] N770/SU-18_0.2.2005.51-1_PR22:40
X-Fadetimeless: Hmm strange.. 2006 doesn't mention the exact flash version, but 2007 and 2005 do? Weird..22:42
timelessconsistency is a virtue22:42
X-Fadetimeless: this is a mistral one:22:43
timeless(we're not virtuous)22:43
X-FadeMozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en_GB] Maemo browser 0.4.34 N770/SU-1822:43
sparrwwhat kind of streams can the maemo audio player play?22:43
sparrwis there a good list i can get somewhere?22:43
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timelessurl visited?22:44
milhousesparrw -
milhousesparrw - i think the various formats are listed in the tech specs for both 770 and n80022:44
erstaziX-Fade, do you mean macromedia flash?22:45
timeless"flash" usually refers to flash memory22:45
timelessto flash is to rewrite the flash memory w/ alternate system software22:45
timelessflash is a semi persistent storage22:45
erstazitimeless, depends on the context22:45
timelesserstazi: assuming the context is the one between x-fade and me atm :)22:46
erstazitimeless, I suppose so (:22:46
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timelessx-fade: did that log work?22:47
erstazihowdy jnettlet22:47
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X-Fadetimeless: Yeah, I think I have enough now..22:50
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timelesshrm, i broke my emulator22:53
erstaziis it not fun breaking things?22:55
timelesserstazi: when a single newline in a config file means your machine doesn't boot..22:56
timelessit kinda sucks22:56
timelesss/config/xml config/22:56
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jnettlethey erstazi22:58
_Monkeyerstazi is probably noticing some people use vmware22:58
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erstazi_Monkey, forget erstazi23:16
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot erstazi23:16
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erstazihi Luria and twogood23:18
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timelesshi dolske23:28
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* dolske waves23:28
dolskeDid a new MicroB come out, or am I just slow to update? I checked last night and get a 0.6, but didn't see any mention of it anywhere...23:29
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dolskedisq: ah, I'll have to look again.23:32
disqdolske: i think that's 0.6 tho23:33
Darksmurfdisq I don't think so.23:33
DarksmurfI'm not sure of the name :-(23:33
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