| trevarthan | I'm a little annoyed that he didn't post the code as well. now I've got to watch the video and pause it. | 00:00 |
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| keesj | :) | 00:01 |
| keesj | yea , the question is where did he find out how it works | 00:01 |
| trevarthan | He's on the Hildon dev team. | 00:03 |
| melmoth | i think he is one of the guy writing the python wrapper for the hildon plugin | 00:03 |
| trevarthan | http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/29/hildon-ui-development-news/ | 00:03 |
| melmoth | according to the comment, this is not alreadt working though, except in sardine | 00:03 |
| melmoth | but may be, in the soon to be released phantom yet anoter firmware to come ? :) | 00:04 |
| keesj | :) | 00:04 |
| keesj | perhaps , in the screen cast he is using sardine | 00:04 |
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| vnese | hello, a have an C language app in gtk+ which run well on linux and how can port it to maemo ? | 00:15 |
| keesj | I don't really understand how it's supposed to work if the new desktop is not python based | 00:16 |
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| keesj | perhaps the skype update? | 00:17 |
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| vnese | sorry, had problems with my keyboard, i have an C/GTK+ app which runs well on Linux, and how can i port it to maemo, i m quite new to maemo ... | 00:18 |
| trevarthan | there's no /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ in the 3.1 SDK. | 00:18 |
| keesj | vnese You will need to make changes | 00:18 |
| vnese | keesj: i installed scratchbox and tried to see the source code of maemopad, but i m confused | 00:19 |
| keesj | vnese perhaps this will help a little http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html | 00:20 |
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| vnese | keesj: thanks, that helps | 00:21 |
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| keesj | time to sleep :P | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | dammit melmoth. you gave me hope than wrenched it away! I built that home applet using python and yeah, it's not supported. home applets are expected to be ELF executables in the 3.1 SDK. man, that would have been so cool too. | 00:23 |
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| melmoth | trevarthan, it may be usable soon . | 00:24 |
| melmoth | keep the code somewhere, and wait untill the python hildong plugin thingy is in the official os | 00:25 |
| melmoth | if i were you, i would mail the author of the demo, asking him if he knows some timeframe. | 00:25 |
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| trevarthan | yeah. you know what they aught to do? They aught to just make a home plugin that allows you to run python code. Sorta like mod_python. But whatever, next release maybe.... | 00:26 |
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| melmoth | trevarthan, and you can already use python for regular application, just not fancy applet that stay on the 'dekstop' | 00:27 |
| melmoth | it looks to me it just a matter of what sort of windows is you app embedded in, regular (hildon.Program) or the applet thingy shown in the screencast | 00:28 |
| trevarthan | yup | 00:28 |
| trevarthan | problem is that I need to write an applet. :) | 00:28 |
| melmoth | do you know when you must have it available ? | 00:29 |
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| trevarthan | asap. :) it's not a work thing. I just want to get it out there. | 00:29 |
| melmoth | well, if it s asap, may be you want to try it out in C | 00:30 |
| trevarthan | is sardine just the trunk/head dev branch SDK? | 00:30 |
| trevarthan | yup. that's what I'll do. | 00:30 |
| Feron | is there an app that can use gps data to tag pictures or videos you take with the location you took em? | 00:30 |
| melmoth | what do you want it to do ? | 00:30 |
| trevarthan | I'm going to write a canola-like applet for scanning music into an sqlite DB for ukmp. | 00:32 |
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| trevarthan | hmmmm.... I wonder if I should just make it a normal app in python, then port it to Hildon Desktop framework when the next maemo release comes out. | 00:34 |
| trevarthan | That might make more sense. | 00:34 |
| melmoth | yop | 00:35 |
| melmoth | keep it easy :) | 00:36 |
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| melmoth | trevarthan, have you given pyphantom a try ? | 00:44 |
| melmoth | it s among the most active project of the week | 00:44 |
| melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyphantom/ | 00:44 |
| Blacksitox | what client pppoe for n800 ? | 00:44 |
| trevarthan | man... it looks like using pysqlite in a maemo app is going to be challenging. pysqlite3 is in 2.5 by default, but python 2.5 is a third party package.... | 00:44 |
| Blacksitox | not existing ? | 00:45 |
| melmoth | trevarthan, you want to use python2.5 anyway | 00:45 |
| trevarthan | :) I've got 2.3 on my desktop. and 2.3 ships with the SDK. | 00:46 |
| trevarthan | sounds like I want to target 2.3 | 00:46 |
| melmoth | hmm. | 00:47 |
| melmoth | is not ukmp using 2.5 already ? | 00:47 |
| trevarthan | nah. It runs fine using 2.3 | 00:48 |
| trevarthan | I guess it wouldn't be that bad to require python 2.5. It's available for the 770 and n800 via pymaemo. I'm just not sure how konttori would feel about that. | 00:51 |
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| trevarthan | I've got python 2.5 on my n800.... but I'm not sure how it got there. :) | 00:54 |
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| Blacksitox | how installing apps extencion .install ? | 01:09 |
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| Blacksitox | Im new in the world n800 and english :D | 01:09 |
| unique311 | open the link where .install is located on you n800 browser | 01:10 |
| unique311 | and click on it.. | 01:10 |
| melmoth | just click on the link to the .install | 01:10 |
| unique311 | it will do everything for you | 01:10 |
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| trevarthan | This sucks. I installed python2.5 in my scratchbox from pymaemo using their recommended method for scratchbox and I can't get ukmp to run. | 02:09 |
| trevarthan | It dies right after initializing pygame. | 02:09 |
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| melmoth | worked here | 02:11 |
| melmoth | trevarthan, try to start it from a term, so you can read the backtrace | 02:11 |
| trevarthan | I did. No backtrace. I get QEMU errors. (sometimes) | 02:13 |
| Jaffa | Interesting: http://www.bleb.org/writings/diary/&month=06/2007#16 (sorry for the link to my own site, but I can't be bothered retyping all the ASUS Eee info out again) | 02:14 |
| melmoth | oh, in the scratchobx, i did not try that out | 02:14 |
| melmoth | i did not install ukmp in it because i did not find the .deb for x86 | 02:14 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, I'm using the arm scratchbox. | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | Why would you use x86 scratchbox, btw? | 02:17 |
| melmoth | i always do, except when i make a .deb for the arm one | 02:18 |
| trevarthan | why? for speed or something? | 02:18 |
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| melmoth | hmmm | 02:18 |
| melmoth | habit ? | 02:18 |
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| trevarthan | it appears that it's just pygame that's foobar'd in python 2.5 for scratchbox. I wrote a little gtk app and that works fine. ugh. | 02:19 |
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| melmoth | pygame works ok here (in x86 :) ) | 02:20 |
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| trevarthan | python 2.5? | 02:22 |
| melmoth | yes | 02:22 |
| trevarthan | 3.1 sdk? | 02:22 |
| trevarthan | how do I switch to x86? | 02:23 |
| melmoth | sb-menu i think | 02:24 |
| melmoth | once you log in , there is a short message that tells you to run sb-menu for maintenance tasks and so on | 02:24 |
| melmoth | the choose select target | 02:25 |
| vnese | hello, i try to compile a gnome/gtk+ app, which runs well on my linux, on maemo, i deleted all the line which required gnome library, but when i run ./autogen.sh, it says it need libglade | 02:26 |
| trevarthan | oh.... I'm running over a remote X11 link. I wonder if that has something to do with it. crap. | 02:26 |
| vnese | it s quite important since i use glade to code my gui | 02:26 |
| trevarthan | I just can't win today. :) | 02:26 |
| melmoth | apt-get install libglade2-dev | 02:27 |
| vnese | so that means if i miss any lib, i can install it in scratchbox, how about the gnome library? | 02:28 |
| melmoth | i doubt somebody 'ported' the whole gnome stuff | 02:28 |
| melmoth | but libglade is there | 02:28 |
| melmoth | then , if you need sometghing not already 'ported', you need to 'port' it yourself (ie just creating the .deb for the arm arch, and here you go) | 02:29 |
| vnese | for the arm arch? sorry i m new comer and i dont get it | 02:30 |
| melmoth | you cannot install a regular .deb on the n800 because the cpu is not your regular i686 one | 02:31 |
| melmoth | well, as long as you are in scratchbox, yhou dont care that much | 02:31 |
| melmoth | so preparre your .deb for scratcbox, and when it works ok, switch to the arm target, and re create a .deb for arm. | 02:31 |
| melmoth | and here you go | 02:31 |
| vnese | melmoth: thanks, got it | 02:34 |
| melmoth | btw what is the application you are looking at ? | 02:36 |
| vnese | but hhhmmm, it keeps saying i need libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+2.0, dont you think i should install those lib also ? | 02:36 |
| melmoth | libgnomeui sounds like a gnome thingy, will be difficult to find. | 02:36 |
| vnese | i have written myself an C/Gnome/GTK+ app in linux | 02:36 |
| vnese | and i try to install it in maemo | 02:37 |
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| vnese | just to study things in maemo | 02:37 |
| melmoth | libgtk2 is available | 02:38 |
| vnese | what i did is : i copied the whole source code, modified it, and compile it again in scratchbox env | 02:38 |
| vnese | when compiling, it says it need those gnome and gtk lib | 02:39 |
| melmoth | well, if it works(app run), you probably dont need libgnomeui, then you can remove it from the autoconf/autotools files | 02:39 |
| melmoth | for the gtk, just apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev | 02:40 |
| melmoth | for the gnomeui, it will be more tricky | 02:40 |
| melmoth | either port this lib | 02:40 |
| melmoth | or be sure the code does not use it at all, and remove it from the autoconf definition file (most probably autogen.sh) | 02:41 |
| vnese | i m checking in autogen.sh | 02:44 |
| vnese | but thanks for your advice | 02:44 |
| melmoth | once you removed the requirement, you ll need to regenerate a configure script | 02:45 |
| melmoth | i think all you need to do is relaunche autogen.sh | 02:45 |
| melmoth | (it s been a while since i have played with those :) | 02:45 |
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| crotch | Hi there | 03:55 |
| crotch | Am I the only swede with a nokia n800? :) | 03:55 |
| Fatal | doubtful | 03:58 |
| crotch | Have anyone of you had problems with the internet call activation? | 03:59 |
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| unique311 | fantastic 4 ... | 04:08 |
| unique311 | 770 first big screen appereance | 04:08 |
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| Blacksitox | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ | 04:10 |
| Blacksitox | the server ssh how activate ? | 04:10 |
| Blacksitox | I not have root :\ | 04:11 |
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| crotc1 | has anyone had any problems with the internet call activation? | 04:20 |
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| unique311 | nope | 04:21 |
| crotc1 | Ok.. i cant activate it anyway | 04:21 |
| unique311 | Blacksitox, you might be able to use babelfish to translate that link.... | 04:21 |
| unique311 | what do you mean you can't activate it? | 04:22 |
| unique311 | you send another person with a gmail account an invitation to chat.. | 04:22 |
| crotc1 | well.. I allready have a gtalk account. voip works and so on | 04:22 |
| Blacksitox | unique311, :D | 04:22 |
| crotc1 | no.. before i can do that i have to activate the feature .. and that doesnt work | 04:22 |
| unique311 | send someone an invite chat.. | 04:22 |
| crotc1 | doesnt work. It says that I have to activate the feature first. | 04:23 |
| unique311 | hold on | 04:23 |
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| crotc1 | so, i press "ok".. and then i have to choose a screen name.. then i press ok again. then it says "activateing".. then it says.. could not activate.. try later.. But i have tried like... 1000 times :) | 04:24 |
| unique311 | do you have a wireless connection | 04:25 |
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| crotch | uh.. something happened to my connection | 04:30 |
| crotch | unique311: did u answer anything? | 04:30 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 04:31 |
| unique311 | are you doing this while your device is connected to a wireless point | 04:32 |
| crotch | yes | 04:32 |
| crotch | I've tried different wireless points | 04:32 |
| crotch | voice works fine, but video call doesnt work | 04:33 |
| unique311 | did you set up you gmail account | 04:33 |
| crotch | or, at least I cant send an invitation cause it wont activate | 04:33 |
| crotch | yes | 04:33 |
| unique311 | control panel>accounts | 04:33 |
| unique311 | let me send you an invite..to chat | 04:34 |
| unique311 | hello | 04:35 |
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| ramatieg | Does anyone's N800 randomly boot up by itself? | 04:36 |
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| unique311 | u got a bad connection crotc2 | 04:38 |
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| crotc2 | i've noticed | 04:39 |
| unique311 | maybe you should try activating right next to the router | 04:40 |
| crotc2 | Oh.. thats not it. I've tried different wireless connections | 04:40 |
| unique311 | whats ur gmail addy... | 04:41 |
| unique311 | i'll send you an invite | 04:41 |
| crotc2 | wait | 04:41 |
| crotc2 | iĺl pm u | 04:41 |
| unique311 | k | 04:41 |
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| Blacksitox | what change my pass for root ? | 04:43 |
| crotc2 | damn | 04:43 |
| Blacksitox | how change my pass for root ? | 04:43 |
| ramatieg | Anybody know what 'por' means in /proc/bootreason? | 04:44 |
| unique311 | don't bother Blacksitox | 04:44 |
| unique311 | don't bother Blacksitox" | 04:44 |
| unique311 | proc | 04:44 |
| crotc2 | unique: im trying to pm u | 04:44 |
| Blacksitox | sorry | 04:45 |
| unique311 | you are not a registered user.. | 04:45 |
| crotc2 | aha | 04:45 |
| unique311 | crotc2 | 04:45 |
| crotc2 | ok | 04:45 |
| unique311 | you need to register the nick | 04:45 |
| crotc2 | hmm.. | 04:45 |
| crotc2 | newbie :) | 04:45 |
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| unique311 | run /msg nickserv register "password" | 04:46 |
| unique311 | and then run /msg nickserv identify "password" | 04:46 |
| unique311 | but before both of those commands.. | 04:46 |
| unique311 | run /nick "nick you would like" | 04:47 |
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| unique311 | depending on the client you are using you can make the identify part of the command automatic... | 04:48 |
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| unique311 | well actually with all irc clients.. | 04:48 |
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| Blacksito | hi | 17:39 |
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| vnese | hello | 17:44 |
| vnese | how can i change my scratchbox theme ? | 17:44 |
| Blacksito | how installed kismet on n800? | 17:44 |
| vnese | apt-get install kismet ? | 17:45 |
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| vnese | hello, i m in X86 scratchbox environment, how can i switch to arm target? | 17:53 |
| vnese | and is it true that the arm target is the correct environment for tablet device like n800 (i mean do they share the same cpu speed and memory?) | 17:55 |
| vnese | (offtopic : is there any maemo course in espoo :( ) | 17:58 |
| `0660 | the only correct environment for n800 is in the device itself :) | 17:59 |
| `0660 | i had some problems developing in the arm target and the x86 didn't seem to lack anything so i used it | 18:00 |
| vnese | hhmm, how about the 1st question, how can i switch to arm target? and can you explain what is the difference between those x86 and arm :P | 18:02 |
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| vnese | hi konttori | 18:03 |
| konttori | hi | 18:04 |
| `0660 | use sb-menu for switching | 18:04 |
| `0660 | to my understanding debugging is easier in the x86 target but the final application will need to be compiled in the arm target | 18:05 |
| vnese | so, x86 and arm are different processor architectures ? | 18:06 |
| `0660 | yes they are | 18:07 |
| `0660 | most desktops have x86 | 18:07 |
| `0660 | and most pda's have arm | 18:07 |
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| `0660 | but with sb it's possible to emulate arm | 18:08 |
| vnese | hhmm, i see | 18:09 |
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| `0660 | you can develop in both targets | 18:10 |
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| vnese | hhmm is there any maemo training course in finland ? | 18:37 |
| konttori | what do you want to do? | 18:38 |
| acydlord | morning | 18:39 |
| vnese | i m a student and i m used to playing with c/gtk+, yesterday i was hit by maemo and tried to port my app to maemo and i was successful | 18:39 |
| vnese | and i want to learn sth about the maemo platform | 18:40 |
| acydlord | there are no training courses that i know of | 18:40 |
| acydlord | most of us rely on the docs or wiki | 18:41 |
| vnese | i guess i will follow that path too ... | 18:41 |
| vnese | acydlord: one secret question, are you working, and your job is maemo related or is it just a hobby ? | 18:43 |
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| vnese | hhmm, just worried about my career | 18:45 |
| vnese | skip it | 18:45 |
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| acydlord | just a hobby | 18:47 |
| acydlord | since maemo is opensource, i don't really see there being much call for steady jobs using it. at least not until the market is considerably larger | 18:49 |
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| tko | I fail to see the logic in the first part, how does opensource or not have anything to do with it? | 19:15 |
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| rhsanborn | is there a port of a telnet client for n800? | 19:54 |
| feig | why telnet? | 19:57 |
| rhsanborn | Friends have setup a server w/ old bbs type games | 19:58 |
| feig | and ssh won't work? | 19:58 |
| rhsanborn | haven't tried it yet... | 19:58 |
| rhsanborn | Not sure if they setup ssh.. | 19:58 |
| feig | oh, i much perfer ssh over telnet, telnet is very picky, and slow, ssh is like your there | 19:59 |
| rhsanborn | indeed. I'll check, but I don't think he set it up | 19:59 |
| rhsanborn | I prefer ssh as well | 20:00 |
| feig | oh | 20:00 |
| feig | yea, i don't know about telnet, it should be trivial to get working though | 20:00 |
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| rhsanborn | not necessarily. Depends on how it accesses the network protocols. I don't know either how maemo or telnet implements this and might require some fiddling to get them together | 20:02 |
| rhsanborn | Playing bbs games is not worth looking into it either :P | 20:02 |
| feig | oh, ok, didn't know that | 20:02 |
| feig | sorry | 20:02 |
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| rhsanborn | oh well | 20:04 |
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| feig | rhasnborn: looks like busybox has telnet in it | 20:08 |
| feig | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ | 20:08 |
| kulve | the stock busybox in n800 seems not to have telnet support | 20:11 |
| kulve | Nokia-N800-10:~# busybox telnet | 20:11 |
| kulve | telnet: applet not found | 20:11 |
| feig | no? | 20:12 |
| feig | huh | 20:12 |
| feig | sorry, i have a 770 | 20:14 |
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| rhsanborn | thx for looking... | 20:16 |
| rhsanborn | Like I said, it isn't a big deal. I can actually setup my home pc with ssh and then I can ssh to home and telnet to the game if I want to :P | 20:16 |
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| feig | hahaha | 20:17 |
| feig | sounds like something i would do | 20:17 |
| rhsanborn | :P | 20:17 |
| feig | oh wait, no i _do_ do that | 20:17 |
| feig | hehe | 20:17 |
| rhsanborn | I probably should do that so that I don't waste so much time on silly games :P | 20:17 |
| feig | good idea | 20:17 |
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| victory747 | hi, has anyone noticed bad battery life when booting off the MMC card instead of the internal flash? | 20:55 |
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| kulve | nope | 21:08 |
| vnese | ok, now i can port my gtk+ app successfully in the scratchbox, what should i do next to make it in the maemo Task Navigator menu? do i need to create .desktop and .service file ? | 21:26 |
| b0unc3 | vnese: yes | 21:26 |
| vnese | b0unc3: in which folder will i create myapp.desktop and myapp.service ? | 21:27 |
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| b0unc3 | vnese: the .destkop files goes under /usr/share/applications/hildon/ and .service file under /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ | 21:28 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 21:30 |
| zuh | To be exact, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#integration | 21:31 |
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| vnese | hhmmm | 22:22 |
| vnese | i created those 2 files, restart Xephyr | 22:23 |
| vnese | but i cant find my app | 22:23 |
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