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| florian | hi maddler | 00:04 |
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| trevarthan | Hello. Can someone from Nokia tell me what formats the maemo video player can stream please? I know it will do mpeg1. I'm looking for a definitive answer on any other formats. Thanks! | 00:15 |
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| Sulis | trevarthan: it likes avi | 00:19 |
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| trevarthan | Sulis: What kind of avi? Got an example I could stream? | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | I say that because all the avi's I make don't seem to stream properly. | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | If I could see an example of one that works, then I could go from there. | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | alright. got an hour drive home. bbl. | 00:23 |
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| maddler | florian: heya dude, what's new? | 00:24 |
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| florian | maddler: showing gpe at LinuxTag next week but not much apart from this :)+# | 00:57 |
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| thej4ck | Hi all | 01:08 |
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| thej4ck | someone can spend 2 minutes helping setting up a building host for n770, i've readed and installed all that is in documentation but it still doesn't work | 01:09 |
| thej4ck | ? | 01:09 |
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| thej4ck | i've got to build a statically linked snort executable for the n770 | 01:10 |
| thej4ck | but i've got some problem with the build enviroment | 01:10 |
| thej4ck | someone can help, please? | 01:11 |
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| thej4ck | \info | 01:16 |
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| trevartha1 | Hello. Can you tell me what formats the maemo video player can stream please? I know it will do mpeg1. I'm looking for a definitive answer on any other formats. Thanks! | 01:18 |
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| dizel | Hi guys! Can you give me direct link of N800 firmware please? | 01:25 |
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| Milhouse2 | maemo.org having network problems again? | 02:00 |
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| Milhouse2 | looks like maemo.org has gone down | 02:17 |
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| Milhouse2 | maemo.org appears to be available again - yay | 02:30 |
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| trevartha1 | Hey, does os2007 have 'ping'? | 03:30 |
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| Milhouse2 | not as standard | 03:30 |
| javamaniac | let me try | 03:33 |
| javamaniac | trevartha1, nope, doesn't have ping | 03:33 |
| trevartha1 | I heard the first guy. | 03:33 |
| Milhouse2 | trevartha1 - have a look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=989 | 03:33 |
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| trevartha1 | Milhouse2: ok. I read that. So how do I get ping? | 03:52 |
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| Milhouse2 | No idea; build your own busybox or download the source for ping from somewhere and build it yourself? | 04:13 |
| Milhouse2 | Google is your friend: http://www.makuchaku.info/blog/ping-pong-on-my-n800 | 04:15 |
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| Milhouse2 | untar that file to a temporary directory | 04:20 |
| Milhouse2 | cp bin/busybox /bin/busybox2 | 04:20 |
| Milhouse2 | delete all the other crap from your temporary directory | 04:20 |
| Milhouse2 | then setup your symlinks for ping etc. | 04:20 |
| Milhouse2 | seems to work just fine | 04:20 |
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| Milhouse2 | phil|work => phil langdale? | 04:31 |
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| anacarol | Is there someone that knows about the zero conf project? | 05:08 |
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| anacarol | please... can somebody help me? | 05:12 |
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| anacarol | hi | 05:23 |
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| megabyte405 | anacarol: what do you need to know about it? | 05:28 |
| megabyte405 | Zeroconf isn't exactly a "project", more of a standard | 05:28 |
| anacarol | http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/zeroconf/ | 05:31 |
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| anacarol | I've read about this standard but i thought it was a maemo project when i saw this site | 05:35 |
| anacarol | do u know about crazy parking project? | 05:37 |
| megabyte405 | well then | 05:39 |
| megabyte405 | I guess INdT decided to name their implementation after the standard | 05:39 |
| megabyte405 | nope | 05:39 |
| anacarol | thank u for the help | 05:47 |
| anacarol | do u work on any project? | 05:48 |
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| philipl | Milhouse2: yes | 05:54 |
| Milhouse2 | Hello - your blog seems to be MIA | 05:55 |
| Milhouse2 | :( | 05:55 |
| Milhouse2 | philip: Getting a 404 for http://intr.overt.org/blog | 05:56 |
| Milhouse2 | has it moved? | 05:56 |
| megabyte405 | anacoral: Abiword - www.abisource.com | 05:59 |
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| unique311 | anyone know why pupnik is MIA | 06:02 |
| unique311 | i would really like to know the progress of POSE | 06:02 |
| unique311 | guess he's over #maemo....Pupnik come back....come back to the light... | 06:03 |
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| Milhouse2 | maemo.org gone again...? | 06:53 |
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| trevarthan | hey. someone say my name. I'm testing out irssi and I want to see if the bell is audible in terminal. | 07:02 |
| Milhouse2 | trevarthan - boing | 07:02 |
| unique311 | --srcdir= doesn't seem to want to work for me.. | 07:03 |
| trevarthan | Milhouse2: I didn't hear anything... | 07:06 |
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| trevarthan | pd | 07:20 |
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| trevarthan | ok ok. how do I get an audible bell in maemo xterm? | 07:35 |
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| trevarthan | ok ok. how do I get an audible bell in maemo xterm? | 07:37 |
| `0660 | you want bells and whistless? :) | 07:43 |
| trevarthan | nah. just the bell. ;) | 07:49 |
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| philipl | Milhouse2: seems to be working fine for me right now. | 07:57 |
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| Milhouse2 | philip - sorry missed you. over here (UK) i'm getting a ZoneEdit DNS expiration page | 08:06 |
| Milhouse2 | hmnmm scratch that, seems to be working ok in IE but FF still gives me the zoneedit error, must be a caching issue | 08:08 |
| Milhouse2 | i'm using a squid proxy for Firefox and that appears to be caching the old ZoneEdit page which I first started getting last night (21 May)... the squid cache will probably expire in a few more hours. sorry for the false alarm | 08:10 |
| trevarthan | exit | 08:17 |
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| unique311 | k, good news | 08:38 |
| unique311 | the guys at gimp were right for getting on me about compiling gimp 2.0.2 | 08:38 |
| unique311 | compiled 2.2.10 in scratchbox. | 08:39 |
| unique311 | for the devs.... | 08:39 |
| unique311 | what flags can i use for optimizing for arm. | 08:39 |
| unique311 | would be helpful... | 08:40 |
| unique311 | very | 08:40 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 09:04 |
| Yaco2 | Hi mk8 | 09:04 |
| mk8 | Hi Yaco2 | 09:05 |
| Yaco2 | how are you? | 09:05 |
| mk8 | Fine, thanks. And you? | 09:05 |
| Yaco2 | fine fine | 09:06 |
| Yaco2 | where are you from? | 09:06 |
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| mk8 | Florence - Italy, and you? | 09:06 |
| Yaco2 | Buenos Aires, Argentina | 09:07 |
| Yaco2 | Batistuta...? | 09:07 |
| Yaco2 | :-D | 09:07 |
| mk8 | :D | 09:07 |
| Yaco2 | So, what do you do? job? | 09:07 |
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| mk8 | Yes. In this moment I write a program for a customer of mine ... Is the second project that I do for It .... Is a not too big fashion company | 09:09 |
| Yaco2 | oh | 09:09 |
| Yaco2 | you are a programmer | 09:10 |
| mk8 | yes | 09:10 |
| Yaco2 | you do free software? | 09:10 |
| mk8 | when tha work is fisinsh ... sometimes ... with 3 child I haven't much time ... :) | 09:11 |
| mk8 | few day ago I release a game for N770/800 ... at this address ... http://code.google.com/p/monkeysmemory-n800/ | 09:12 |
| Yaco2 | let me see | 09:12 |
| mk8 | but the wiki page is empty .... shortly I insert the alredy done screenshot ... | 09:12 |
| keesj | Hi | 09:12 |
| Yaco2 | hi keesj | 09:13 |
| mk8 | now I push to have the SQLite binding for mono | 09:13 |
| Yaco2 | you port mono? | 09:13 |
| mk8 | No ... I not made the port .... I simpy test it .. :) ... | 09:14 |
| Yaco2 | oh | 09:15 |
| Yaco2 | so, what uses do give to our nokia? | 09:15 |
| Yaco2 | *your nokia | 09:15 |
| unique311 | hey | 09:16 |
| unique311 | question | 09:17 |
| unique311 | any usefull flaags i can use while compiling something for the n800 | 09:17 |
| mk8 | I use it as PDA, to read PDF, an to test to write software. I must realise an application to a customer and It let me free to make the choiche of which PDA. So my choiche is N800 ... and I want to write the code using mono | 09:18 |
| unique311 | to optimize performance maybe | 09:18 |
| Yaco2 | do you know if its possible to emulate symbian? | 09:20 |
| mk8 | Sorry, I don't know ... | 09:20 |
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| zuh | unique311: -mcpu=arm1136j-s and -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp if you want to use the FPU for floating point | 09:42 |
| unique311 | thanks... | 09:43 |
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| mk8 | a question. I want realize an application that discovery from itself other application instance running on other device o PC. There is a meccanism like uPnp or zeroconfig inside N800 and where is the documentation? | 09:47 |
| mk8 | Thank's ... sorry for my english ... :( | 09:47 |
| keesj | the n800 is a upnp client | 09:48 |
| keesj | I guess you can install gmediaserver or similar to share files | 09:48 |
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| mk8 | keesj: I want write the application ... so I need something like a API with documentation ... :) | 09:49 |
| keesj | the n800 uses libupnp | 09:49 |
| mk8 | ok keesj ... thanks | 09:51 |
| keesj | the "norma;" apps use the gnome virtual filesystem | 09:51 |
| keesj | they are not aware of the underlaying protoloc | 09:51 |
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| keesj | I guess that I you want to play with it you can probabely do things with dbus to listen to different evetns | 09:52 |
| mk8 | so I must read the documentation about the Gnome Virtaul Filesystem? But it work if I want realize an interactive application that need to send data to the other application soon as possbile? | 09:52 |
| mk8 | I don't know GVF | 09:52 |
| keesj | mk8 me neither, I am just pretending to know what I am talking about | 09:53 |
| mk8 | keesj: ... not understand .. :( ... my english is too bad ... | 09:56 |
| keesj | I try to bad joke :p | 09:57 |
| keesj | what is your native language? | 09:57 |
| mk8 | Italian ... :( | 09:58 |
| mk8 | keesj: I try to read somithing of GVF but seems to be something to extend the datatype supported by normal Gnome Application, so I suppose that the libupnp is the right solution ... | 09:59 |
| mk8 | it can be use to notify to other device or PC the existence of a running "service" (my application)? Or only as a client (you write that n800 is a upnp client)? | 10:00 |
| keesj | I don't know | 10:02 |
| mk8 | ok, thanks | 10:02 |
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| unique311 | mk8 | 11:00 |
| mk8 | Hi unique311 | 11:01 |
| unique311 | http://gnupoc.sourceforge.net/ symbian sdk for unix | 11:01 |
| unique311 | is possible | 11:01 |
| unique311 | to run symbian | 11:01 |
| mk8 | :) | 11:01 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik got POSE running... | 11:01 |
| unique311 | and i did a nice job with basiliskII | 11:02 |
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| unique311 | its the tools section i'm worried about | 11:03 |
| unique311 | check out the screenshots towards the bottom of the page | 11:03 |
| unique311 | http://www.koeniglich.de/sdk2unix/symbian_sdk_on_unix.html heres another link | 11:05 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| unique311 | hello | 11:08 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning people | 11:19 |
| unique311 | good morning | 11:20 |
| saimonn | good morning | 11:20 |
| unique311 | k, 2.2.15 crashes on splash screen | 11:22 |
| unique311 | guess not enough memory | 11:22 |
| unique311 | well 2.2.10 started up nice guess i'll go back to that one. | 11:23 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:30 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 11:37 |
| unique311 | well | 11:38 |
| unique311 | i just got my hopes downed again | 11:38 |
| keesj | unique311: wassup? | 11:41 |
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| unique311 | nada | 11:45 |
| unique311 | getting some advice from #gimp | 11:45 |
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| nomis | unique311: we are a bunch of desillusionists. :) | 11:46 |
| unique311 | nomis | 11:47 |
| unique311 | are you on #gimp | 11:47 |
| unique311 | let me guess neo? | 11:47 |
| nomis | unique311: no, I am nomis in #gimp as well. | 11:48 |
| unique311 | k | 11:49 |
| unique311 | i don't think there's any fate in compiling gimp for n800 | 11:49 |
| unique311 | anywhere | 11:49 |
| keesj | I asked the pixel creator to compile pixel for the maemo platform http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 | 11:50 |
| nomis | unique311: there are two problems: Memory consumption (gimp is pretty wasteful with it - just loading a single jpeg uses twice the amount of raw image data), plus the multiple-window gui, which will be a challenge to get right on the tablets. | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | unique311: You have seen this one, right? http://net9.blogspot.com/2007/04/gimp-running-on-n800.html | 11:52 |
| unique311 | it opens up the multiple windows | 11:52 |
| unique311 | thats my video X-fade | 11:52 |
| unique311 | i compiled 2.0.2 | 11:52 |
| keesj | perhas a first start could be to just test what happens when you using it from remote (ssh+x forwarding enabled? | 11:53 |
| unique311 | i just got 2.2.10 compile | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) I think pupnik did that? | 11:53 |
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| unique311 | no | 11:55 |
| unique311 | i wrote his name on it...cause he asked if airbrush work.. | 11:55 |
| unique311 | he is suppose to be working on it also.. | 11:55 |
| unique311 | but i think he is going more for mtpaint... | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Well gimp has always been 'different' gui-wise. Are you going to hildonize it? | 11:56 |
| unique311 | thats was my first problem with it.. | 11:57 |
| unique311 | I cannot hildon... | 11:58 |
| unique311 | well i probably can... | 11:58 |
| unique311 | but i suck at code | 11:58 |
| unique311 | script | 11:58 |
| unique311 | whatever you want to call it | 11:58 |
| unique311 | also compiled mtpaint.. | 11:59 |
| * nomis suspects that hildonizing gimp will not be easy. | 11:59 | |
| unique311 | i was thinking get a nice working compile version working....and contact the nokia devs, and let them have a shot at it... | 12:00 |
| cosmo_ | yep, gimp uses multiple separate windows.. it needs a lot of ui work to be usable on maemo | 12:00 |
| nomis | in fact I share neos concerns that it is kind of pointless to try to make gimp usable on the tablets. There are a few things that need to be reorganized. | 12:00 |
| nomis | especially in the UI, we need someone to implement the proposal for dockables being able to be docked inside the image window. | 12:01 |
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| unique311 | ram..is what i'm worried about... | 12:02 |
| unique311 | 1GB at least neo....said | 12:02 |
| unique311 | thats not good for n800 or 770 | 12:03 |
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| nomis | actually it would probably make more sense to evaluate, what people actually expect from an image manipulation program on a tablet and then try to implement something e.g. GEGL based. | 12:04 |
| unique311 | tools.... | 12:05 |
| unique311 | i think for the most part... | 12:05 |
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| nomis | unique311: what tools? | 12:05 |
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| DaddyCool | good morning :) | 12:07 |
| florian | good morning | 12:08 |
| unique311 | crop & resize | 12:08 |
| unique311 | smudge | 12:08 |
| unique311 | dodge/burn | 12:08 |
| unique311 | airbrush | 12:08 |
| unique311 | eraser not necessarily | 12:09 |
| unique311 | blend is nice | 12:09 |
| unique311 | theirs a bunch | 12:10 |
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| DaddyCool | can you help me?, i must start the n800 with X server but without matchbox :( | 12:12 |
| DaddyCool | ^ i need wlan for ssh :) | 12:13 |
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| guardian | i need help please | 15:10 |
| guardian | i need to link to a static library | 15:11 |
| guardian | i have 2 builds for this library | 15:11 |
| guardian | 1 build for arm which is in somewhere/bin/arm | 15:11 |
| guardian | 1 build for x86 which is in somewhere/bin/x86 | 15:11 |
| guardian | what do i need to do in Makefile.am so that it links to the correct library | 15:11 |
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| djude | hi folks. who can tell me how to get iwconfig gets running on n800 ??? | 15:55 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 16:13 |
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| sameo | djude: install wireless tools | 16:15 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... I found the libgupnp library into N800 ...Can anyone give me a link about the library documentation? | 16:40 |
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| Synt1 | hi ppl | 16:40 |
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| Synt1 | does anyone know where to get gcc 3.2 for the N800 ??? i only found gcc 3.4 on repository.maemo.org | 16:41 |
| inz | Why do you need 3.2? | 16:42 |
| Synt1 | acapela mobility (from www.acapela-group.com) runs on: | 16:44 |
| Synt1 | OS Supported: Linux X86: gcc 3.2 / 3.3, Linux ARM : 2.95 / 3.2 Processors Supported: Arm/Xscale processors, X86 processors | 16:44 |
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| lardman | I don't see any code | 16:45 |
| Synt1 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/acap/nscapi/Sample/test] > make | 16:45 |
| Synt1 | i get a few warnings (my libs are newer then theirs) | 16:45 |
| Synt1 | and then i get: | 16:45 |
| Synt1 | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: ERROR: Source object ../../lib/libnscube.so has EABI version 0, but target test has EABI version 4 | 16:46 |
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| DaddyCool | hi! | 16:46 |
| Synt1 | hi there | 16:46 |
| lardman | koen, eabi, your pet topic | 16:47 |
| DaddyCool | has anybody a rootfs for the n800 what only starts the X-Server? | 16:47 |
| Synt1 | is koen away? | 16:48 |
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| lardman | Synt1: No idea. I don't know whether you can force ld to ignore the error, but if you try compiling with a different toolchain because you can't, you'll probably need to link everything statically against a different libc too | 16:49 |
| Synt1 | @DaddyCool: ROT13[[ Nhs qrf Syrvfpuunhref Fpuvyq jne qre Nofgnaq mjvfpura ""Xäfr"" haq ""haq"" haq ""haq"" haq ""Jhefg"" mh xyrva trengra. ]] | 16:49 |
| DaddyCool | synt1? | 16:49 |
| DaddyCool | ah ... rot 13 | 16:49 |
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| DaddyCool | synt1? what do you meen? | 16:50 |
| DaddyCool | :) | 16:50 |
| DaddyCool | Auf des Fleischhauers Schild war der Abstand zwischen ""Käse"" und ""und"" und ""und"" und ""Wurst"" zu klein geraten. | 16:51 |
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| Synt1 | what is the exact problem when i get the 'EABI' error?? | 16:51 |
| lardman | Some bg: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 16:52 |
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| melmoth | les demission faut pas se faire chier | 16:54 |
| melmoth | oups, sorry | 16:54 |
| Synt1 | thy@lardman - gonna read that one ;) | 16:54 |
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| djud1 | sameo: thanks I thought so. but can you tell me where I can find a package for armel? | 16:55 |
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| ryanfaerman | do you think it would be possible to compile maemo for x86? | 17:01 |
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| inz | ryan, isn't it already done? | 17:05 |
| ryanfaerman | i don't know. | 17:06 |
| inz | ryan, if you look closely, you will see that repository.maemo.org contains both armel and i386 debs | 17:06 |
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| ryanfaerman | ah, | 17:07 |
| trevarthan | Does xchat not support fullscreen, or is it just me? | 17:07 |
| inz | ryan, getting it running nicely (== without scratchbox) might be a different issue | 17:07 |
| ryanfaerman | because maemo would make the perfect carPC solution | 17:07 |
| ryanfaerman | it is designed for a touchscreen from the ground up | 17:07 |
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| sp3000 | trevarthan: worksforme | 17:08 |
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| Synt1 | @lardman: wiki.debian...EabiPort describes what eabi is - but does not touch my problem (compile error 'wrong eabi ver') | 17:09 |
| Synt1 | who could answer me this one!? | 17:09 |
| Synt1 | ?? koen ?? | 17:10 |
| lardman | I assume there are differences between the eabi versions | 17:10 |
| lardman | and that these differences are incompatible | 17:10 |
| lardman | just what the incompatibilities are, or whether you could work around them, I don't know | 17:11 |
| inz | eabi version 0 sounds like no eabi | 17:11 |
| lardman | yes, that's what I was thinking | 17:11 |
| Synt1 | exactly my suspects... | 17:11 |
| Synt1 | so i do(!) need gcc3.2 ?? | 17:11 |
| Synt1 | because the .so's need it?! | 17:12 |
| lardman | can't you get the source of the libs? | 17:12 |
| Synt1 | no - that's the prob | 17:12 |
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| lardman | Couldn't you use flite? | 17:14 |
| lardman | I assume that's the libs you want to use do speech generation | 17:14 |
| Synt1 | maybe i do sth. wrong - does anyone want to try to compile it?? | 17:15 |
| djud1 | do anyone know where I can get wireless-tools.deb for n800? | 17:16 |
| Synt1 | maybe on http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/wireless-tools_28-1.osso1_armel.deb | 17:17 |
| Synt1 | and on http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/wireless-tools_28-1.osso1_i386.deb | 17:17 |
| djud1 | okay thank you synt1 | 17:17 |
| Synt1 | np | 17:18 |
| lardman | Synt1: What does readelf show the Flags for the binary being? | 17:19 |
| lardman | Because if it requires fpa floating point, you'll need a different kernel too | 17:20 |
| Synt1 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/acap/nscapi/lib] > file libbabile.so | 17:20 |
| Synt1 | reports | 17:20 |
| Synt1 | libbabile.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), not stripped | 17:20 |
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| Synt1 | how to use readelf? | 17:21 |
| Synt1 | readelf -a spits out a bit much | 17:21 |
| lardman | readelf -h binary_name | 17:21 |
| lardman | pastebin it | 17:22 |
| koen | eabi version 0 can also be caused by wrong linker scripts | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | attention... big paste: | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | ELF Header: | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 61 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Class: ELF32 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Data: 2's complement, little endian | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Version: 1 (current) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | OS/ABI: ARM | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | ABI Version: 0 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Type: DYN (Shared object file) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Machine: ARM | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Version: 0x1 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Entry point address: 0xf73c | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Start of program headers: 52 (bytes into file) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Start of section headers: 870764 (bytes into file) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Flags: 0x202, has entry point, GNU EABI, software FP | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Size of this header: 52 (bytes) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Size of program headers: 32 (bytes) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Number of program headers: 3 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Size of section headers: 40 (bytes) | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Number of section headers: 31 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | Section header string table index: 28 | 17:22 |
| Synt1 | for the 'main' .so file | 17:23 |
| lardman | ok | 17:23 |
| lardman | enough | 17:23 |
| ferulo | pastebin is your friend :) | 17:23 |
| dragorn | pastebin, not paste into the channel | 17:23 |
| Synt1 | sry | 17:23 |
| lardman | Flags: 0x202 -> software floating point | 17:23 |
| Synt1 | !find pastebin | 17:23 |
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| lardman | pastebin.ca, something like that | 17:23 |
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| lardman | So it should be okay from a kernel-handling-floating-point point of view | 17:24 |
| Synt1 | when i paste some content to pastebin.com i get an error: | 17:25 |
| Synt1 | Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145) | 17:25 |
| Synt1 | lock tables recent write | 17:25 |
| lardman | perhaps the site is knackered, there are others about that do the same thing | 17:25 |
| Mithrandir | use rafb.net/paste or pastebin.ca or one of the zillion other pastebins out there, then. | 17:25 |
| lardman | pastebin.com is soooooo slow for me anyway I never use it | 17:26 |
| Synt1 | sorry... i am a bit confused today - got a bit too less sleep the last day's.... | 17:26 |
| Synt1 | complete another question...: | 17:26 |
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| Synt1 | what is the sound device on the n800 to use??? | 17:29 |
| Synt1 | sox tells me to use /dev/dsp - | 17:29 |
| Synt1 | but play -d /dev/dsp sample.wav tells me: | 17:29 |
| Synt1 | "Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device" | 17:29 |
| Synt1 | but oss must work because i hear the 'clicks' when touching the touchscreen - doesn't it?? | 17:29 |
| keesj | it's alsa | 17:30 |
| keesj | perhaps you can use aoss , it it on the device? | 17:30 |
| Synt1 | alsa is the 'new' sound subsystem - isn't it?? how to use it?? | 17:30 |
| keesj | no oss is old and very deprecated :) | 17:31 |
| Synt1 | AOSS|AirStation One-Touch Secure System | 17:31 |
| Synt1 | ?? | 17:31 |
| tigert | OSS = open sound system | 17:32 |
| Synt1 | Airborne Oil Surveillance System | 17:32 |
| keesj | but I think that on the n800 it's esd (enlighetenment sound daemon ) who merges the different sounds samples together right? | 17:32 |
| tigert | keesj: uh, no? | 17:32 |
| tigert | gstreamer as far as I know | 17:32 |
| keesj | O lord! | 17:33 |
| tigert | isnt the whole thing done with gstreamer? | 17:33 |
| Synt1 | esd exists on my n800 | 17:33 |
| Synt1 | gstreamer does not | 17:34 |
| tigert | hmm | 17:34 |
| lardman | I imagine it does | 17:34 |
| koen | Synt1: you must have removed gstreamer by yourself then | 17:34 |
| * tigert doesnt think we switched from gstreamer to esd | 17:34 | |
| Synt1 | koen: i've only installed sox | 17:35 |
| tigert | why would anyone do that? | 17:35 |
| keesj | yup esd is running | 17:35 |
| koen | tigert: especially since PCM is routed through the dsp, which needs gstreamer | 17:35 |
| Synt1 | + dependencies | 17:35 |
| keesj | Synt1: there is no "gstreamer" binary it's a lib , perhaps gst-launch will exist | 17:35 |
| Synt1 | so how do i play a 'dumb' wav or pcm file i have on a mmc via ssh | 17:35 |
| Synt1 | gst-launch does not exist either | 17:35 |
| keesj | that is easy | 17:35 |
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| keesj | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 | 17:36 |
| lardman | What about gst-launch-someversionnumberhere? | 17:36 |
| keesj | lardman: it's in gstreamer-tools or gst-tools | 17:37 |
| lardman | ah, that's true, sorry | 17:37 |
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| b0unc3 | guys, someone know anything on howto to stream video with farsight? | 17:38 |
| Synt1 | anything i know: http://farsight.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 17:40 |
| b0unc3 | I'm just trying the examples ... but seem not to work... ;( | 17:40 |
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| Synt1 | keesj: that's not exactly what i've been looking for,,, | 17:44 |
| Synt1 | i have test.wav on the device an i am connected via ssh | 17:45 |
| Synt1 | what do i have to hack onto that term to play test.wav? | 17:45 |
| Synt1 | i would have suspected something like > play -d /dev/dsp test.wav | 17:45 |
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| Synt1 | i just got rid of the matchbox - my little app should run on the plain X | 17:47 |
| Synt1 | so the only way to try - playing a sound is from far far away via ssh | 17:48 |
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| keesj | Synt1: in that case I don't know but you can 1) learn about gstreamer 2)search the mailing list how to launch the default music player, 3)install mplayer , that works | 17:48 |
| keesj | I guess gstreamer is what nokia want's you to use. | 17:49 |
| Synt1 | i think i'll choose 1) - learning about gstreaming | 17:49 |
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| dev | Synt1: for mp3 you can use this "gst-launch-0.10 gnomevfssrc location=your.mp3 ! dspmp3sink" | 17:58 |
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| lardman | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/gst-launch-0.10.1.html, scroll down to Pipeline examples (or search for pipeline & gstreamer) | 17:59 |
| lardman | you need to alter the sink name though | 17:59 |
| dev | Synt1: or use the dsppcmsink | 18:00 |
| lardman | indeed, to that one | 18:00 |
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| mgedmin | the media player is insane | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | it gives me 4 copies of each song from one album if I go to the library and click on "play" with the "Artists" option selected | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | the other albums are added normally | 18:06 |
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| keesj | dev so it uses dsp afterall? | 18:12 |
| dev | these pipelines, yes | 18:13 |
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| keesj | so why did cat play not work? | 18:14 |
| keesj | sorry why did play -d /dev/dsp test.wav | 18:14 |
| keesj | not work | 18:15 |
| b0unc3 | maybe because you don't have /dev/dsp | 18:16 |
| dev | maybe the dsp needs some additional initialization | 18:17 |
| trevarthan | is osso-terminal v 0.13's source available? I'd like to try adding an audible bell to it. | 18:18 |
| trevarthan | irssi would probably be more useful if I could get message notification. | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | trevarthan: you may want to check out the maemo-hackers.org version of osso-xterm | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | it has a bunch of good bells and whistles | 18:21 |
| trevarthan | does it have audible bell support? | 18:21 |
| trevarthan | hmmm.. I think that's the one I'm using. So yeah, that's what I want to modify. Thanks mgeadmin. | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | don't know, don't care about audible bells | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | I turned all system sounds off first thing | 18:23 |
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| Synt1 | sorry - read that all a bit to late... | 18:37 |
| Synt1 | ....now i already made myself a /sbin/play file, containing: #!/bin/ash | 18:37 |
| Synt1 | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=$1 ! wavparse ! dsppcmsink | 18:38 |
| Synt1 | but it needs quite long (about .5 to 1 second) to initialize before playing - does anyone know why!? | 18:38 |
| lardman | prob as dsp needs to load task & start going | 18:43 |
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| trevarthan | offtopic: does anyone here have a preferred multi user IRC proxy they like? | 19:07 |
| trevarthan | I need to be able to log in from multiple machines to one server at the same time. | 19:07 |
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| dpb | irssi-proxy <3 | 19:08 |
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| trevarthan | hmmm, I'm not sure if my irssi came with the proxy module. but I think I would prefer a daemon. | 19:12 |
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| `0660 | screen + irssi <3 | 19:17 |
| `0660 | + ssh... | 19:17 |
| javamaniac | +stylus | 19:17 |
| `0660 | i prefer thumbs with my irssi :) | 19:17 |
| mk8 | Bye to all ... | 19:18 |
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| trevarthan | irssi is great, but i would prefer to use pidgin so i can get audible notifications. | 19:22 |
| trevarthan | I'm writing this on irssi. It's just not enough. | 19:22 |
| tigert | my best mobile irc is 3G + ssh + screen + irssi | 19:24 |
| tigert | and the thumb keyboard | 19:24 |
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| trevarthan | don't you hate all of those login steps though? | 19:25 |
| c0ffee | trevarthan, irssi can beep or execute stuff | 19:25 |
| trevarthan | yeah, but beep doesn't seem to work in maemo terminal. | 19:26 |
| c0ffee | it's easy to execute something instead of beeping | 19:27 |
| `0660 | trevarthan, which login steps? | 19:29 |
| `0660 | needs some configuration but it's possible to make a menu item which brings you directly to the irssi screen | 19:30 |
| `0660 | and asks to open a connection if necessary... | 19:30 |
| trevarthan | hmmm. i'm using irssi remotely. i suppose the execute thing would work if i ran irssi locally on my n800. but then i would still need an irc proxy for my other clients. | 19:31 |
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| mgedmin | the connection bit is possible | 19:32 |
| trevarthan | `0660: what about the ssh though? | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | have a shell script | 19:32 |
| `0660 | public key authentication | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | that sources connectivity_preload.sh | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | and then executes irssi | 19:33 |
| `0660 | that's what i did | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | I have one for ssh | 19:33 |
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| `0660 | it's quite handy :) | 19:33 |
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| `0660 | about two clicks to see what's going on | 19:33 |
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| `0660 | and i think there was a desktop plugin which would bring it down to just one click | 19:34 |
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| trevarthan | i'm convinced that irssi is the best for the thumb keyb. i just need audible notify. so that means a local irssi client i guess. | 19:54 |
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| trevarthan | hmm. i don't see an irssi client for os2007 though. | 19:59 |
| trevarthan | can you play audio over an x11 link? | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | the x11 protocol has a request for sounding a bell, I think | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | there's a xkbbell binary on my laptop | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | seems to trigger a visual bell that I've configured in metacity | 20:03 |
| trevarthan | yeah, but that wouldn't work as osso-xterm would catch the signal and drop it. | 20:05 |
| trevarthan | (I think) | 20:05 |
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| mgedmin | more likely, the window manager would ignore the request for the bell | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | or the x server wouldn't support the xkb extension | 20:07 |
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| trevarthan | I wonder if I could use screen locally on the n800 and somehow get it to intercept the beep and do something useful with it. | 20:08 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 20:11 |
| trevarthan | I just need to build irssi for os2007. that would solve my problems I think. | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | ... probably | 20:11 |
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| mgedmin | doesn't screen convert echo -e '\a' into a visual bell? | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | okay, this stuff is too deep for me right now | 20:13 |
| trevarthan | lol | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | have fun reading the man pages | 20:13 |
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| trevarthan | yeah. | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | ... need ... caffeine ... | 20:13 |
| trevarthan | crap. can't install screen either. | 20:15 |
| trevarthan | only for os 2006 | 20:15 |
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| mgedmin | yeah | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | I built an experimental package of screen for os2007 | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | but it depends on debconf | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | which depends onperl | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | which depends on perl | 20:29 |
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| mgedmin | which is not available for os2007 | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | and since I don't use screen myself, I didn't try to unravel the mess too much | 20:29 |
| tko | don't we have cdebconf? | 20:32 |
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| trevarthan | OK. I want to have a go of creating an os2007 irssi client. My linux machines at home run Gentoo. Is that OK? Or do I need to download and setup an ubuntu VM? | 21:22 |
| c0ffee | tjat | 21:22 |
| c0ffee | that's ok | 21:22 |
| trevarthan | how will I make debs without debian? | 21:24 |
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| trevarthan | cs2005q3.2-glibc is listed as not available. Where do I get it? | 21:28 |
| c0ffee | you will need to install the scratchbox | 21:28 |
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| c0ffee | it inclueds a fake debian | 21:28 |
| trevarthan | c0ffee: where do I get the toolchain? the one from the howto is listed as 'not available' | 21:30 |
| keesj | trevarthan: where is that? | 21:31 |
| keesj | what documenation/howto do you follow? | 21:31 |
| trevarthan | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 21:32 |
| trevarthan | Quick Start says I need cs2005q3.2-glibc toolchains | 21:33 |
| c0ffee | they're all at scratchbox.org | 21:33 |
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| trevarthan | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm-1.0.5 Not available | 21:34 |
| melmoth | Mhh, any idea how to find a list of hildon stock icons name ? | 21:34 |
| melmoth | I m looking for the n800 and memory card icon in particular | 21:34 |
| trevarthan | wait... maybe the toolchain comes with scratchbox and is not a separate download? | 21:34 |
| trevarthan | 404: http://maemo.org/downloads/download-maemo | 21:36 |
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| c0ffee | http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz | 21:37 |
| c0ffee | there it is | 21:37 |
| c0ffee | as is the rest of the scratchbox | 21:37 |
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| trevarthan | c0ffee: ok. 404 when I try to grab the SDK though. | 21:39 |
| trevarthan | also, do I need all of the latest versions of those tar.gzs? | 21:40 |
| melmoth | The whole maemo site is just full of 404 :( | 21:45 |
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| trevarthan | yeah. kinda strange. | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | anyone spot me an SDK download? | 21:50 |
| keesj | trevarthan: it is har dto find yes | 21:51 |
| keesj | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 21:52 |
| trevarthan | ah | 21:53 |
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| trevarthan | keesj: should I be root when I run maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh? Or can I do that as a normal user? | 21:57 |
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| keesj | trevarthan: I dont remember , its requires root to install sbox | 21:59 |
| trevarthan | yeah. root. ok. thanks. | 22:00 |
| keesj | anf it requires non root to install the maemo sdk. also there are some sudo mode things | 22:00 |
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| keesj | on my gentoo the install failed, ( I posted bugs to bugzilla) but that was 3.0 | 22:01 |
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| keesj | trevarthan: do you have a nokia? | 22:05 |
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| trevarthan | keesj: yeah. n800 | 22:08 |
| keesj | congrats | 22:09 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I like it. nice little device. | 22:09 |
| trevarthan | first I'm going to try porting irssi to os2007, then I might do some other little projects. | 22:10 |
| trevarthan | scratch my own itch type stuff. | 22:10 |
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| c0ffee | i thought there are irssi binaries for os2007 available anyway | 22:14 |
| trevarthan | I couldn't find any. | 22:15 |
| trevarthan | hell, I couldn't even find the os2006 download, honestly. I saw mention of it. But I could never find a download link. | 22:16 |
| c0ffee | i'll look at the webpage again, when ppl stop to complain about it on the mailing list :) | 22:16 |
| trevarthan | :) | 22:16 |
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| trevarthan | keesj: seems to have worked on my Gentoo. Yay! | 22:32 |
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| keesj | trevarthan: if you want a quick start you can also look at mud (it contains a irssi.xml file) | 22:36 |
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| trevarthan | how do I close a scratchbox session? I get this error when I run the SDK installer script: E: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first | 22:45 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 22:54 |
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| trevarthan | has_sessions function in maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh doesn't work. Had to add test brackets around it. [] | 23:15 |
| trevarthan | correction, the function works. The way it's called doesn't. | 23:15 |
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| trevarthan | blist | 23:49 |
| trevarthan | errr... sorry wrong window | 23:49 |
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