| Tak|work | yeah | 00:02 |
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| Tak|work | btw, scale2x and 2xsai are unnecessary, as the hardware scaling does its own interpolation | 00:03 |
| Tak|work | so the tablet's xrandr implementation would be as good as the 2xsai theoretically | 00:04 |
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| Pupnik | yeah the dsp interpolation is pretty nice, i'd hate to lose it to point-scaling, if that's what resizing with xrandr would yield | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | i have a hunch the dsp is doing bilinear | 00:08 |
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| Pupnik | i'd try it out on exult, but including the Xsp libs breaks a lot of definitions in the exult code | 00:08 |
| Pupnik | stuff like the 'font' struct conflicts etc | 00:09 |
| Tak|work | from what I understood, xrandr on the tablet would make use of the dsp interpolation\ | 00:10 |
| Pupnik | cool beans | 00:10 |
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| unique311 | wow, for mplayer again | 00:23 |
| Pupnik | why? | 00:23 |
| unique311 | i can watch movies without having to encode | 00:23 |
| unique311 | that kept me from watching stuff on my n800 | 00:24 |
| unique311 | but with mplayer i will be watching my podcast freely | 00:24 |
| unique311 | hmm have to test that out... | 00:24 |
| unique311 | hate the fact that the player that comes with maemo doesn't play video podcast when you dl them | 00:25 |
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| Pupnik | what is a podcast, technically | 00:28 |
| unique311 | news | 00:28 |
| Pupnik | isn't it just media files stored on a server? | 00:28 |
| unique311 | news you can use | 00:28 |
| unique311 | yes.. | 00:29 |
| Pupnik | so if i put a bunch of mp3 files on a server, i can call it a 'podcast'? | 00:29 |
| unique311 | no | 00:29 |
| unique311 | wiki podcast | 00:29 |
| unique311 | should get the technical explanation.. | 00:29 |
| unique311 | i won't do television news... | 00:29 |
| unique311 | so my substitute is podcast... | 00:30 |
| Pupnik | "a podcast is distinguished from other digital media formats by its ability to be downloaded automatically, " | 00:30 |
| unique311 | all good news all the time | 00:30 |
| Pupnik | ok i got it | 00:30 |
| unique311 | thoughtfix should have a podcast... | 00:31 |
| unique311 | going.. | 00:31 |
| unique311 | podcast is a blog.. | 00:31 |
| unique311 | verbal | 00:31 |
| Tak|work | podcast is like rss + media | 00:31 |
| unique311 | i never thought of it that technical | 00:32 |
| unique311 | i just like listening to my fav blogs | 00:32 |
| Pupnik | my favorite radio show just has a page of mp3s | 00:33 |
| Pupnik | no need, what-so-ever for this apple marketing jazz hype, imo | 00:33 |
| gla55 | automatic downloading of 50-100mb files has it's downsides too | 00:34 |
| unique311 | what? | 00:34 |
| unique311 | on high speed you don't have to worry | 00:34 |
| unique311 | just delete when done.. | 00:35 |
| unique311 | and choose the ones you want... | 00:35 |
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| unique311 | you don't want to subscribe to 20 podcast on the n800 | 00:35 |
| unique311 | unless you have two 8GB card in there | 00:35 |
| bill20r3 | does the regular feed reader handle podcasts, or is there some other app? | 00:36 |
| unique311 | gpodder | 00:36 |
| unique311 | works nice.. | 00:36 |
| * bill20r3 makes a note. | 00:36 | |
| bill20r3 | it's in 'extras' ? | 00:36 |
| unique311 | it has some podcast you can subscribe to already.. | 00:36 |
| unique311 | or you can go online on the n800 and subscribe, as you subscribe it will be added to the default app. | 00:37 |
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| unique311 | hd to last night...sucked really bad, until i realized i had a backup... | 00:39 |
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| bill20r3 | I just need to go to the latest code | 00:39 |
| bill20r3 | mine is one version stale. | 00:39 |
| unique311 | bill20r3 the deafualt feed reader does handle podcast | 00:40 |
| unique311 | going to try a video podcast and see if mplayer comes thru for me | 00:41 |
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| unique311 | k, figured out the difference between the feed reader and gpodder... | 00:45 |
| unique311 | i think | 00:45 |
| bill20r3 | ? | 00:47 |
| unique311 | gpodder: you subscribe to the podcast and it dls automatically | 00:48 |
| unique311 | when scheduled.. | 00:48 |
| bill20r3 | instead of just when you hit 'refresh'? | 00:49 |
| unique311 | yes | 00:49 |
| unique311 | rss feed reader is strange... | 00:49 |
| unique311 | ust strange | 00:49 |
| unique311 | its in the name | 00:49 |
| unique311 | its just an rss feed reader. | 00:50 |
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| unique311 | but it gives links for you to dl or view | 00:50 |
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| bill20r3 | it views the rss entry, with links to go to the web page. | 00:52 |
| bill20r3 | so you can read the rss offline. | 00:52 |
| unique311 | yes | 00:53 |
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| unique311 | offtopic, has anyone gotten bluetooth headset to play well with n800 | 00:53 |
| kakos | For anyone who owns a 770 and a N800: Is the N800 a worthy upgrade over the 770? Why or why not? | 00:55 |
| bill20r3 | I dont have a 770, but the n800 is double plus good. | 00:56 |
| bill20r3 | I can only compare to the zaurus sl-5500, and it's *WAY* better | 00:57 |
| Tak|work | kakos: do you have a 770? | 00:57 |
| unique311 | n800 is cool... | 00:57 |
| kakos | Tak|work: I do have a 770 | 00:57 |
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| kakos | It's working pretty well for me with a few minor annoyances. | 00:57 |
| unique311 | gpodder dl a 39MB file at 430KB/s | 00:57 |
| Tak|work | what do you use it for, and what would you like to use it for that it can't do currently? | 00:57 |
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| unique311 | can i answer that question too tak? | 00:58 |
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| kakos | Data transfer rates to the memory card are a bit too slow for my tastes. Some programs like PDF viewers run nearly unbearably slow. | 00:58 |
| kakos | The camera would be nice, as would the extra SD slot. | 00:58 |
| Tak|work | probably n800 would alleviate those issues | 00:58 |
| kakos | How fast does Evince run on the N800? | 00:59 |
| kakos | Or does it run on the N800? | 00:59 |
| bill20r3 | the camera isn't good for much. | 00:59 |
| unique311 | i use mines for internet/internet/and more internet... | 00:59 |
| unique311 | i would like to use it for drawing... | 00:59 |
| Tak|work | it does, but I haven't used it | 00:59 |
| unique311 | and only drawing...a cheap cintiq sort of. | 00:59 |
| kakos | Have you used Xournal on the N800? | 01:00 |
| unique311 | nope | 01:00 |
| Tak|work | no | 01:00 |
| unique311 | tired once but wasn't working | 01:00 |
| unique311 | its a drwing app? | 01:00 |
| Tak|work | my main uses are: xchat, opera, fceu in that order | 01:00 |
| kakos | So, the one thing that really worries me is the lack of the hard cover like the 770 | 01:00 |
| kakos | unique311: It can be used as a drawing app, yeah. | 01:00 |
| Tak|work | do you have lots of scratches on your 770 cover? | 01:01 |
| kakos | A few and a dent | 01:01 |
| Tak|work | I carry my 770 in my pocket sans cover; no scratches so far | 01:01 |
| Tak|work | my fiancee carries her n800 in her purse and backpack in the leatherish case | 01:01 |
| kakos | Does it come with any sort of cover? Like maybe a leather thing to flip over it? | 01:01 |
| bill20r3 | the n800 has a fabric sleeve | 01:02 |
| Tak|work | it comes with a thing like a large, soft glasses case | 01:02 |
| unique311 | gonna bother the nokia devs to port mtpaint to the n800...i compile it but thats all i can do...i can't do all that hildon stuff to it.. | 01:02 |
| kakos | Hmmm | 01:02 |
| kakos | And how does Opera perform? | 01:02 |
| kakos | How is Flash for that matter? | 01:02 |
| Tak|work | supposedly ~3fps for youtube video in-browser | 01:03 |
| Tak|work | although, also supposedly, mplayer will play a downloaded youtube flv without a problem | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | Tak|work: with the latest OS, Youtube is about 8fps | 01:03 |
| Tak|work | woo | 01:03 |
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| kakos | 8fps...? | 01:04 |
| Tak|work | thanks Jaffa | 01:04 |
| kakos | Wow | 01:04 |
| kakos | That's pretty bad | 01:04 |
| Tak|work | well...flash is a horribly unsuitable medium for video | 01:04 |
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| unique311 | question, i notice a bootmenu app on maemo.org garage.. | 01:04 |
| kakos | Yeah, but god damned everyone seems to use it | 01:04 |
| unique311 | does that mean i can install a distro on mmc and boot it.. | 01:04 |
| kakos | How does it run video, BTW? | 01:04 |
| unique311 | danm small linux is supposed to boot from cards.. | 01:05 |
| unique311 | well there's a couple of distro's that can boot of cards... | 01:05 |
| unique311 | is it possible to do so with this bootmenu app | 01:05 |
| Pupnik | i just looked at a few flash video downloads, and it appears the codec they chose isn't so bad. very small filesize | 01:05 |
| kakos | Does the Opera on the N800 have any of the more advanced Opera features like gestures and stuff like that? | 01:06 |
| Tak|work | I doubt - I would think gestures would tend to interfere with the drag-based scrolling | 01:06 |
| kakos | Hmm. It appears as if Xournal does not work on the N800 | 01:09 |
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| kakos | So, I'm pretty happy with my 770 with a few minor annoyances. Is it worthwhile to upgrade to the N800? | 01:14 |
| Tak|work | I guess it depends how important speedier apps, more card space, and the camera are to you | 01:15 |
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| kakos | Has anyone done any benchmarks on how much speedier the apps are? | 01:15 |
| Pupnik | there is a gtk performance suite that one could run on both | 01:16 |
| Pupnik | but the standard answer is 'depends on the app'; | 01:16 |
| kakos | On average, is the performance boost noticable? | 01:17 |
| Pupnik | looking at the numbers people are getting for reads from their high speed sd cards, i'm very jealous | 01:18 |
| Pupnik | on the 770 i'm getting like 1.2MB/s max off my kingston 2GB mmc and they're getting like 17 MB/s off some SD cards with newer kernels | 01:18 |
| kakos | I'm not looking for anything specific, just a general notion. Something along the lines of "Oh, yeah. It seems most apps are much snappier on the N800" or "I can barely notice" | 01:18 |
| Pupnik | kakos, do you have ssh or an xterm on your 770? | 01:19 |
| kakos | Yeah | 01:19 |
| Pupnik | want to compare read speeds from mmc? | 01:20 |
| kakos | Well, I know that I/O is much faster. I'm more curious about CPU bound applications. | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | from what i've read it's significantly faster for those | 01:24 |
| Veggen | having two memory cards was a large boon to me. | 01:24 |
| Pupnik | itos2007 + dropbear is a PITA - tried connecting 5 times to wlan and still no ssh connection possible | 01:25 |
| kakos | Two memory cards would let me use it as a storage place for my camera, which would be nice | 01:25 |
| Veggen | Now, I look at one card as an extensions to the internal storage, while the other card I replace depending on usage. | 01:25 |
| Tak|work | ironically, I find it easier to swap out the "internal" card than the "external" | 01:27 |
| kakos | Tak|work: Why's that? | 01:29 |
| Tak|work | well, with the internal, I open the back cover, the card pushes loose, I take it out | 01:30 |
| Tak|work | the external, I swing back the hinge, wedge my fingernail into the gap, open the door, wedge my fingernails into the tiny hole for the sd card, eventually manage to pry it out... | 01:31 |
| Tak|work | plus, if I'm using an old mmc card with the extender, ~30% of the time, I just get the extender out and have to fish for the mmc | 01:31 |
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| maddler | shackan: heya! | 01:43 |
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| shackan | hi! | 01:44 |
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| maddler | shackan: what's up? | 01:45 |
| shackan | maddler, i already registered the project on garage (before you ask, it's still empty :\) | 01:45 |
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| shackan | maddler, and the owner is selling this house, so we were all given our two months notice today :\ | 01:47 |
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| Pupnik | ogg sounds so much nicer than ogg-mp3 transcoded files at the same size :/ | 01:54 |
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| maddler | shackan: which house? | 02:22 |
| maddler | oh... sorry... ok... | 02:22 |
| maddler | shackan: sounds no good at all... :( | 02:23 |
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| Pupnik_ | would it be possible to save cycles by using a cheaper pathing algorithm for party members who follow avatar? | 03:21 |
| Pupnik_ | usually they don't need to do anything except stay in relative position to avatar (movement via keys/dpad) | 03:21 |
| Pupnik_ | occassionally they need to step left/right to avoid an object | 03:21 |
| Pupnik_ | but that could be quite cheap to do | 03:22 |
| Pupnik_ | oh crap wrong channel | 03:22 |
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| unique311 | lol | 03:41 |
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| sussman | hi | 04:38 |
| sussman | has anyone heard of spanish dictionary software for maemo? | 04:38 |
| sussman | just to quickly lookup words between english<->spanish? | 04:38 |
| fer | don't think so... | 04:41 |
| fer | there's a dictionary.. but I don't think it's bilingual | 04:41 |
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| sussman | ok | 05:02 |
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| kakos | Do you have to use the 3.0 flasher to flash the n800? | 05:16 |
| * rev wonders why more tools don't use the OLPC's method of flashing | 05:18 | |
| rev | put it on an SD card, named a certain thing, and turn the thing on | 05:18 |
| derf | That'd be particularly useless to those of us who don't have SD card readers. | 05:21 |
| rev | derf: well, you do have a nokia device, yes? | 05:23 |
| rev | a 770 or 800 | 05:23 |
| derf | rev: I need to flash the device precisely when it's not working. | 05:23 |
| rev | which are both SD card readers | 05:23 |
| sussman | right | 05:23 |
| rev | furthermore, there is no reason both mechanisms could be offered, derf | 05:23 |
| derf | No, that is true. | 05:24 |
| derf | Except for the developer time it would take to make two work instead of one. | 05:24 |
| rev | it can't be all that hard, it's been done | 05:24 |
| rev | just saying | 05:24 |
| rev | not demanding it | 05:24 |
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| Pupnik_ | any n800 users want to test a new emu? | 05:50 |
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| Pupnik | i shouldn't be playing with this, but vice is pretty fun | 05:51 |
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| sussman | vice? | 05:55 |
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| Pupnik | vice = commodore emu | 05:56 |
| Pupnik | no sound or keyboard yet | 05:56 |
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| Pupnik | it's pretty slow too, frodo seems about 3x faster | 05:56 |
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| Pupnik | and it has trouble reading from a directory containing a list of disk/tape images - always autoloads the first | 05:57 |
| Pupnik | and now it's breaking whenever loading an image with ?Device not present error | 05:58 |
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| sussman | ah | 06:11 |
| Pupnik | sound working - no keyboard map though | 06:20 |
| sussman | the stowaway sierra keyboard is awesome, I love it. | 06:21 |
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| sussman | I'm takin it with me to central america, for sure. | 06:21 |
| Pupnik | how is the build quality? | 06:21 |
| sussman | impressive | 06:22 |
| sussman | it's like typing on a full thinkpad notebook | 06:22 |
| sussman | full-travel keys | 06:22 |
| sussman | the keyboard is bigger than the one on my macbook-pro, even | 06:22 |
| Pupnik | the thinkoutside stowaway bt is made in china, and the case isn't machined very precisely | 06:26 |
| Pupnik | but it works quite well | 06:26 |
| sussman | this is just an iteration of the same thing | 06:27 |
| sussman | it adds a number row | 06:27 |
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| Pupnik | when i spend close to $150 usd for a keyboard, i expect it to have good build quality | 06:37 |
| sussman | $150?? | 06:41 |
| sussman | mine was $85 | 06:41 |
| sussman | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FG44BA/103-4132376-9597453 | 06:43 |
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| zuh | tigert: Your archives seem broken: http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/05/02/i-heard-stripes-are-in-this-spring/ | 08:22 |
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| tigert | hmm | 09:29 |
| tigert | how so? | 09:30 |
| Knirch | that just don't load here | 09:34 |
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| tigert | weird | 09:39 |
| tigert | the whole site, or the particular page? | 09:39 |
| tigert | works fine for me | 09:39 |
| Knirch | all www.tigert.com/archives/* links | 09:39 |
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| tigert | wtf, indeed | 09:39 |
| tigert | well | 09:40 |
| tigert | the actual pages do work | 09:40 |
| Knirch | (well the list work, just not the full page views) | 09:40 |
| tigert | it looks like just archives/ doesnt exist by itself | 09:40 |
| tigert | which wouldnt make sense anyway | 09:40 |
| tigert | http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/05/02/i-heard-stripes-are-in-this-spring/ < so this shows nothing to you? | 09:41 |
| Knirch | nada | 09:41 |
| tigert | that works okay here | 09:41 |
| kulve | comes from your cache or something.. | 09:42 |
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| tigert | nope | 09:42 |
| Knirch | tigert: http://81e3376dce7bd2c4.paste.se/ | 09:42 |
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| tigert | did ctrl-f5 | 09:42 |
| kulve | try with a different browser to be sure.. | 09:49 |
| konttori_ | By the way, the pages work on my comp just well | 09:50 |
| konttori_ | e.g. : http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/05/02 | 09:51 |
| kulve | that url works here too | 09:52 |
| kulve | the one mentioned by zuh does not | 09:52 |
| Knirch | yeah, the summary pages work fine | 09:54 |
| Knirch | the full article view does not | 09:54 |
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| tigert | weird | 09:57 |
| tigert | all the urls work ok for me, except tigert.com/archives/ | 09:57 |
| tigert | which wouldnt make sense anyway | 09:57 |
| tigert | you have some strange proxy somewhere? | 09:57 |
| sxpert | tigert, that one url gives a 404 | 09:58 |
| tigert | sxpert: yeah it does | 09:58 |
| Knirch | tigert: see the paste, no proxy | 09:58 |
| tigert | as /archives/all doesnt probably wrok | 09:58 |
| tigert | Knirch: yeah, I have no idea | 09:58 |
| tigert | it works fine for me | 09:58 |
| tigert | Knirch: could be some idiot transparent proxy filter | 09:58 |
| Knirch | we have no such things here :D | 09:59 |
| tigert | well | 09:59 |
| tigert | it could be anywhere in between | 09:59 |
| kulve | tigert: well, not all have some idiotic proxy | 09:59 |
| Knirch | I know, but nope | 09:59 |
| kulve | it's now tested from several locations | 09:59 |
| tigert | well, for konttori it works fine | 09:59 |
| tigert | ditto for me | 09:59 |
| tigert | so it does work | 09:59 |
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| tigert | its something on teh realms of Interweb | 10:00 |
| kulve | konttori just tested wrong url | 10:00 |
| Knirch | 08:51 < konttori_> e.g. : http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/05/02 | 10:00 |
| Knirch | noone has said those does _not_ work | 10:00 |
| tigert | konttori_: http://www.tigert.com/archives/2007/05/02/i-heard-stripes-are-in-this-spring/ < does this work? | 10:00 |
| konttori_ | nope, the latter gives blank page, but the former (Knirchs link) works | 10:01 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:01 |
| tigert | lemme see | 10:01 |
| tigert | I think I have some bonehead proxy here | 10:01 |
| kulve | tigert: specify "here" | 10:01 |
| tigert | the big N | 10:02 |
| kulve | well, same here | 10:02 |
| tigert | kulve: oh btw | 10:02 |
| tigert | I need to say hi to you | 10:02 |
| roope | it's bone. and the lettering is something called Silian Rail. | 10:02 |
| tigert | noticed you sit close to me :) | 10:02 |
| tigert | at least by the mailbox location | 10:02 |
| kulve | mailbox? what's that? :) | 10:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:03 |
| keesj | Hi! | 10:05 |
| tigert | :) | 10:06 |
| tigert | now you know | 10:06 |
| kulve | yeah :) | 10:07 |
| tigert | hi keesj | 10:07 |
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| svu | will netcore/n800 work with non-nokia gps receivers? | 10:12 |
| svu | s/netcore/navicore/ | 10:13 |
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| Jaffa | svu: I believe so, but I don't think you can buy the s/w alone, can you? | 10:15 |
| tigert | I dont think it cares which gps it is | 10:15 |
| tigert | as long as it talks nmea? | 10:15 |
| tigert | but I think yea, it comes as a bundle | 10:16 |
| tigert | or maybe you can get it separately? | 10:16 |
| svu | damn | 10:16 |
| svu | It means I'd have to fallback to amule :(( | 10:16 |
| * tigert checks | 10:16 | |
| keesj | svu: ain't that illegal? | 10:18 |
| svu | keesj, do you have better ideas? ;) | 10:19 |
| tigert | Please note: Product includes no GPS or other hardware | 10:19 |
| tigert | so, you can get it separately | 10:19 |
| tigert | from the webstore | 10:19 |
| svu | good! | 10:19 |
| tigert | Europe 2007 Software for Nokia Internet Tablet | 10:19 |
| tigert | 149eur | 10:20 |
| svu | tigert, could you please give url? | 10:20 |
| tigert | shop.navicoretech.com ? | 10:20 |
| tigert | seems to be what www.navicore.fi links to | 10:20 |
| svu | yes I see | 10:20 |
| svu | 149... ghm, pricy anyway. ok thanks lads. at least that's relief | 10:21 |
| keesj | I guess there are navigation solutions for about 200 euro that include the hardware | 10:22 |
| svu | I already have hardware:) | 10:23 |
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| zuh | tigert: I only noticed as that's the URL p.g.o throws you in... | 10:38 |
| zuh | And also, in the archive version, the image isn't shown... | 10:40 |
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| Toni | someone wants to buy a GPS bluetooth module in Helsinki? I can sell one | 10:57 |
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| keesj | Or in Amsterdam? | 11:02 |
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| gpd | I want to change my gateway for wlan0 - is this possible from the gui on N800? or do I need to mess with /etc/network/interfaces? | 11:38 |
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| keesj | gpd perhaps you can do that on the dhcp server side? | 11:40 |
| gpd | keesj: agreed -- and just found it in advanced settings | 11:40 |
| gpd | the dhcp is being done by a linksys router - not sure how to set it up - quicker now to just do this | 11:40 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:38 |
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| |tbb| | is there a svn(subversion) client available for bora | 14:13 |
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| mgedmin | someone talked about porting it a couple of days ago | 14:16 |
| lardman | I've taken the plunge and ordered a BT keyboard. Are there keyboard shortcuts for switching task, opening the menus, etc.? | 14:22 |
| |tbb| | irclog says sussman would like 2 port it , but i dont see if he had done it | 14:23 |
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| |tbb| | hehe sussman, just have talked from u | 14:33 |
| sussman | ? | 14:34 |
| |tbb| | u where trying 2 port svn client | 14:34 |
| sussman | yes | 14:35 |
| sussman | haven't set up scratchbox yet. | 14:35 |
| |tbb| | ah k, to bad | 14:36 |
| keesj | so did anybody try the qemu image? | 14:38 |
| keesj | I sometimes see my usb mem stick showing activity | 14:39 |
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| |tbb| | how do i remove/insering mmc1 card correct so i can use it wo doing a reboot | 15:11 |
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| mgedmin | open the door, wait a bit for the card to be unmounted, then remove the card | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | if the card is being used and cannot be unmounted, you'll get a message | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | close the door and don't touch the card then | 15:16 |
| mgedmin | I imagine bad things would happen if you removed a card with a swap file on it while the swap file was being used | 15:16 |
| |tbb| | ah k,thx | 15:20 |
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| sussman | woo | 17:15 |
| sussman | got dvorak layout working via xkb map | 17:15 |
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| AndrewGearhart | sussman: how'd you learn to type with dvorak? | 17:40 |
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| nelson | practice, practice, practice. | 17:43 |
| AndrewGearhart | I wasn't sure if perhaps sussman had used an application to learn. | 17:43 |
| sussman | um | 17:44 |
| sussman | no | 17:44 |
| sussman | well, I was always a touch typist, from typing class in 8th grade | 17:44 |
| sussman | to switch to dvorak, I just went cold turkey | 17:44 |
| sussman | printed the layout, taped it over my monitor, and didn't look down at my hands. | 17:44 |
| sussman | it was... painful and frustrating for the first week | 17:44 |
| sussman | then it got fast. | 17:44 |
| gpd | faster than before? | 17:45 |
| sussman | naw, that's a myth | 17:45 |
| sussman | it's just way more comfortable and efficient | 17:45 |
| sussman | your fingers barely move... 80% of all keystrokes are on the homerow. | 17:45 |
| gpd | intersting | 17:45 |
| gla55 | i always wanted to try one-handed layouts | 17:45 |
| sussman | it's not one-handed. :-) | 17:45 |
| gla55 | i know | 17:45 |
| sussman | oh oh, yeah, there's a one-handed dvorak layout too, tho | 17:46 |
| gla55 | yeah | 17:46 |
| gla55 | which is what brought the thought up | 17:46 |
| gpd | does anyone have a 'solution' to keeping an addressbook on tablet / linux / web? | 17:48 |
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| |tbb| | anyone tried frogpad? | 18:01 |
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| bipolar | kkito: hiya! | 18:05 |
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| gla55 | nope | 18:07 |
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| kkito | hello bipolar :) | 18:23 |
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| bipolar | kkito: how was finland? | 18:29 |
| kkito | very cold :P | 18:31 |
| gla55 | cold phase | 18:31 |
| * sussman is going to nicaragua soon, just in time for the Rains | 18:32 | |
| Tak|work | how wet is water? ;-) | 18:32 |
| bipolar | kkito: heh... | 18:33 |
| kkito | bipolar, nice city but there are no people on the streets! everyone is inside the bars drinking :P | 18:36 |
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| bipolar | kkito: of cource! It's COLD!!! | 18:36 |
| bipolar | haha | 18:36 |
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| bipolar | kkito: How has the QT work been going? | 19:03 |
| kkito | bipolar, i had no time, but i advanced a little, i expect that the next week i can expend some time to develop a little more... | 19:05 |
| bipolar | kkito: cool. Kontact is just about my only hope of using the n800 for real PIM work :) | 19:06 |
| kkito | bipolar, well, kde apps are usable on the n800 but it takes some time to run for the first time, and it consumes a lot of memory/cpu | 19:08 |
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| bipolar | kkito: yeah. I bet. I wouldn't mind it much though. Just having kontact for when I need it is great. | 19:12 |
| bipolar | Although, If KDE had support for the n800 hardware, I don't think I'd miss anything that maemo has. | 19:12 |
| kkito | i use amarok everyday for my music manager/player... ;) | 19:13 |
| kkito | on the n800 off course :) | 19:13 |
| bipolar | gah! share! :D | 19:13 |
| bipolar | you just love to tease, don't ya! | 19:13 |
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| J_P | hi all | 19:18 |
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| J_P | people, I have a app here to test in pc but show this error : import hildonImportError: No module named hildon | 19:19 |
| J_P | are there ubuntu package of hildon ? | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | I doubt it | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | you can test it inside scratchbox, though | 19:19 |
| J_P | hummm how I have a running scratchbox for test that ? | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | I *think* apt-get install python2.5-gtk2-dev (from repository.maemo.org, which is configured by default in scratchbox) gives you the hildon module | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | ok, it doesn't | 19:21 |
| mgedmin | but apt-get install python2.5-hildon-dev does | 19:22 |
| J_P | ok, I will add that repos and test :-) thanks | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | also, you need to start python with python2.5 then | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | plain python appears to be 2.3 | 19:23 |
| J_P | Debian repositories for maemo SDKs can be used in ubuntu normaly ? | 19:23 |
| J_P | maemo 3.1 'bora' repository | 19:24 |
| J_P | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 19:24 |
| J_P | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 19:24 |
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| Refefer | hey guys, anyone know how to get libglade onto a Nokia N800? | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | J_P: I wouldn't | 19:51 |
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| etrunko | Refefer: you need the following repository: | 20:59 |
| etrunko | deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 21:00 |
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| unique311 | k, camera app don't have video mode.. | 21:22 |
| unique311 | i reflashed the day before yesterday... | 21:22 |
| unique311 | help me howard.. | 21:22 |
| unique311 | do i update via apllication manager...? | 21:22 |
| unique311 | or ssite? | 21:22 |
| unique311 | i tried app manager no updates avail. | 21:22 |
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| Pupnik | maybe it's in a nonstandard repository? | 21:32 |
| unique311 | i'm guessing... | 21:33 |
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| unique311 | but i updated last time..after the 3.1 and got the video | 21:33 |
| unique311 | not sure where this thing is located..but i want VIDEO | 21:33 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:33 |
| Pupnik | why did it work before, and not now?? | 21:34 |
| unique311 | not sure.. | 21:36 |
| unique311 | i have the camera app... | 21:37 |
| unique311 | but it just takes pics.. | 21:37 |
| unique311 | before the reflash i had an option for pics, and vids | 21:37 |
| unique311 | i refreshed app manager...no updates.. | 21:37 |
| bill20r3 | you could record video? | 21:38 |
| maba | there is a version that takes video | 21:38 |
| maba | 2.7 or something I believe | 21:38 |
| maba | the one in the repo is 2.1 if I remember correctly | 21:39 |
| maba | don't know where to get the updated version tho.. :) | 21:39 |
| unique311 | yes | 21:40 |
| unique311 | can't find 2.7 | 21:40 |
| unique311 | i'm on 2.1 | 21:40 |
| unique311 | i did the upgrade last time and had the video feature.. | 21:40 |
| unique311 | but cant find it online.. | 21:40 |
| maba | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1156/camera_2.7_armel.deb | 21:40 |
| maba | lookey lookey, there it is | 21:40 |
| unique311 | maba you rock | 21:41 |
| maba | google is your friend :) | 21:41 |
| sussman | google is my friend too! | 21:41 |
| maba | google's everyones friend | 21:41 |
| maba | :) | 21:41 |
| unique311 | i did | 21:41 |
| unique311 | but searched for Maemo camera app update.. | 21:41 |
| unique311 | lol | 21:41 |
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| maba | camera 2.7 +n800 did the trick for me | 21:42 |
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| unique311 | and got these non helpfull links | 21:42 |
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| unique311 | cool | 21:42 |
| maba | and well, the garage should be the obvious place to look for apps anyway :) | 21:42 |
| unique311 | only think i don't like is the fact that mplayer cant play the videos you record from it.. | 21:43 |
| unique311 | don't think the default player is able to play the movies also.. | 21:43 |
| Pupnik | heh oops | 21:43 |
| unique311 | the camera built in app is the only one i think plays the videos.. | 21:44 |
| unique311 | true | 21:44 |
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| unique311 | i did a search for camera on the search field on maemo.org.. | 21:44 |
| unique311 | you would think that would help | 21:45 |
| maba | 2 different sites | 21:45 |
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| maba | but yes, the search field on maemo.org should seek in the application catalog and garage too | 21:46 |
| unique311 | thanks for the help man.. | 21:47 |
| maba | I wonder why there's no source for the camera app | 21:47 |
| unique311 | u thinking of doing improvements | 21:47 |
| bipolar | maba: maybe the camera app is one of the closed source ones? | 21:48 |
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| maba | shouldn't be too hard to write a new app using gstreamer, maybe even one that creates watchable video :) | 21:48 |
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| Pupnik | my garage login still doesn't work on test.maemo.org or maemo.org | 21:48 |
| maba | but I barely ever use the camera on the n800 so I don't know if I'm motivated enough to do it.. | 21:49 |
| maba | maybe some day :) | 21:49 |
| unique311 | i use it on the subway.... | 21:49 |
| bipolar | maba: to me the camera output is too sucky to be very useful. maybe it's the app though :P | 21:49 |
| unique311 | i like to catch the individuals who get on the train, acting foolish... | 21:50 |
| maba | hehe | 21:50 |
| unique311 | the drunk people... | 21:50 |
| unique311 | the people preaching | 21:50 |
| unique311 | MTA rocks | 21:50 |
| maba | the camera is not one of the best, but you could apply filters to improve the image quality.. | 21:51 |
| maba | I wonder how much effort it would take to port something like camorama.. | 21:51 |
| Pupnik | http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/ | 21:51 |
| unique311 | the lighting on the train is real nice... | 21:51 |
| unique311 | especially on the new trains... | 21:51 |
| Pupnik | (unique311 is right - public transportation in new york sounds like entertainment) | 21:52 |
| unique311 | so quality is ok.. | 21:52 |
| maba | yeah, in good lightning it's not that bad | 21:52 |
| unique311 | pluto is not a planet.. | 21:53 |
| unique311 | hehehe | 21:53 |
| unique311 | didn't they find like 4 more planets.. | 21:53 |
| unique311 | and excluded pluto as one.. | 21:53 |
| unique311 | so pluto is a moon? | 21:53 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik i like that site... | 21:54 |
| Pupnik | no, just some flyby rock that got caught in sun's gravitational field, iirc | 21:54 |
| unique311 | and they confused it for a planet for how long | 21:55 |
| unique311 | we went to the moon and they still thought it was a planet.. | 21:55 |
| unique311 | not cool | 21:55 |
| Pupnik | it's a matter of definition | 21:55 |
| Pupnik | "Flight attendant: Please take out the safety cards in your seat's back pocket and pretend to follow along." | 21:56 |
| unique311 | you know what, i hear stuff like that all the time... | 21:57 |
| unique311 | i need to register to that site.. | 21:58 |
| unique311 | and add | 21:58 |
| Pupnik | :) | 21:58 |
| unique311 | they need a video section | 21:58 |
| unique311 | still mad about the pluto thing...maybe i can sue the Department of Education for feeding me false information... | 21:59 |
| unique311 | 20 some odd years I believed pluto was a planet.. | 22:01 |
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| Pupnik | a rose by another name | 22:04 |
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| Juhaz | unique311, it was. they just redefined the term. pluto didn't change, the word did. | 22:08 |
| unique311 | Pluto 1930-2006 Kuiper belt Dwarf planet Officially accepted by IAU for this period. | 22:09 |
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| unique311 | Pluto 1930-2006 Kuiper belt Dwarf planet Officially accepted by IAU for this period. | 22:09 |
| unique311 | wtf is a dwarf planet... | 22:09 |
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| kpel | hi all | 22:10 |
| unique311 | a handicapable planet? | 22:10 |
| unique311 | explain | 22:10 |
| gla55 | unique: hasnt cleared it's surroundings or something | 22:10 |
| unique311 | ok | 22:10 |
| unique311 | looking at the wiki... | 22:10 |
| unique311 | 4 were removed in 1864 | 22:11 |
| unique311 | also | 22:11 |
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| Pupnik | hokay, back to sdl 101 | 22:19 |
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| sussman | when building apps in scratchbox for the n800, should I install the scratchbox arm-glibc toolchain, or the arm-ulibc toolchain? | 22:50 |
| sussman | which is the norm? | 22:50 |
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| bipolar | how well could I expect debian source packages to build in scratchbox? | 23:02 |
| Pupnik | once again, i look at a problem (fast 16bpp SDL alpha / keycolor) and find Siarhei's footprints | 23:02 |
| Pupnik | bipolar, depends on whether the dependencies are available | 23:02 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: so there is nothing special I should have to do, right? | 23:03 |
| Pupnik | nope just buildpackage | 23:03 |
| bipolar | cool. thanks. | 23:03 |
| Pupnik | apt-get source foo, dpkg-buildpackage etc | 23:03 |
| bipolar | I'm going to try to build kde from the debian packages | 23:03 |
| Pupnik | check internettablettalk forums for that | 23:04 |
| bipolar | the current builds are from source tgz | 23:04 |
| Pupnik | for that | 23:04 |
| Pupnik | oh | 23:04 |
| bipolar | yeah. no packages. :) | 23:04 |
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| bipolar | just dump of a 250MB tgz | 23:04 |
| bipolar | which is fine for testing, but poor for anything else. | 23:04 |
| Pupnik | have fun | 23:05 |
| bipolar | yeah. I hope so. I've never used scratchbox before | 23:05 |
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| sussman | guys | 23:10 |
| sussman | I just added the scratchbox repository to my sources.list, and did an apt-get update | 23:10 |
| sussman | but 'apt-get install scratchbox-core' can't find the package | 23:10 |
| Pupnik | *** 1.0.7 0 | 23:11 |
| Pupnik | 500 http://scratchbox.org . | 23:11 |
| sussman | wha? | 23:11 |
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| Pupnik | deb http://scratchbox.org/debian ./ | 23:12 |
| sussman | yep | 23:12 |
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| sussman | 'apt-get update' didn't complain or fuss. | 23:12 |
| sussman | what's the missing link here? | 23:13 |
| Pupnik | what does apt-cache search scratchbox show? | 23:13 |
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| konttori | ssvb: Great idea about filling the black parts with black and send fullscreen video to buffer | 23:19 |
| Pupnik | he not here | 23:19 |
| konttori | oh. well, it's a great idea anyway. | 23:21 |
| Pupnik | for ukmp? | 23:22 |
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| konttori | nope, for mplayer | 23:23 |
| konttori | ukmp blits whole screen all the time. and I seriously don't know if ssvb s idea applies to sdl apps directly | 23:23 |
| Pupnik | it is not clear to me what idea you refer-to | 23:24 |
| bipolar | man.... if Debian had an offical armel port this would be a heck of a lot easier | 23:24 |
| konttori | anyway, the latest version of ukmp if so fast in blitting that I don't have to worry about it at all | 23:24 |
| konttori | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi | 23:24 |
| sussman | Pupnik: apt-cache search shows nothing either. I think the scratchbox apt repository is just broken or something. :-/ | 23:24 |
| Pupnik | which bug? | 23:24 |
| konttori | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1281 | 23:24 |
| konttori | sorry | 23:25 |
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| konttori | He just modified mplayer to blit full screen video when video would be cropped. Thus he blits more than needed, but it's faster that way | 23:25 |
| fer | this blit problem only happens in the n800? | 23:26 |
| fer | or in the 770 to? | 23:26 |
| florian | re | 23:26 |
| Pupnik | you mean he detects black borders within the encoded video, with some kind of threshold algorithm? | 23:26 |
| Pupnik | then auto-crops and expands the displayed video? | 23:27 |
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| Pupnik | i can't log into bugzilla - login is broken | 23:27 |
| konttori | n800 | 23:28 |
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| fer | sorry to ask again, but what's the problem with the n800? | 23:29 |
| fer | I was planning on buying one... | 23:30 |
| Hyperion2010 | I just got mine yeasterdya | 23:30 |
| konttori | Pupnik: No, just the opposite. He checks the video rez. If it cannot be scaled to fill the whole screen, he adds black borders to the screen so that the resulting image can be scaled to fill the whole screen | 23:30 |
| fer | can't it display fast moving video? | 23:30 |
| konttori | fer: No real problems. Just optimization for blitting speed in mplayer | 23:30 |
| konttori | fer: it sure can. no probs. | 23:30 |
| Hyperion2010 | question: I read the howto flash your kernel guide | 23:30 |
| Hyperion2010 | but is there a way | 23:31 |
| konttori | Just that with that optimization, blitting speed will be even better | 23:31 |
| fer | konttori, thanks. I read about some video issues with the n800 versions of canola... | 23:31 |
| Hyperion2010 | I can jsut drop the updated kernel into the boot sector? | 23:31 |
| Hyperion2010 | like normal linux | 23:31 |
| fer | konttori, but it this noticeable? I mean, can I watch a movie with mplayer without noticing display problems? | 23:32 |
| konttori | fer: yeah. no probs. | 23:32 |
| konttori | especially if you have converted the video to a more optimized size beforehand | 23:33 |
| fer | I have a 770... | 23:33 |
| fer | it it woth the upgrade? | 23:33 |
| fer | worth | 23:33 |
| Hyperion2010 | there arent as many programs for th n800 yet | 23:33 |
| konttori | So-so. Depends on how much you'd like to get two sd slots. | 23:33 |
| Hyperion2010 | might be worth waiting because the price will also probably come down | 23:33 |
| konttori | I don't think the price will come down. | 23:33 |
| konttori | Didn't come down on 770, won't for n800. | 23:34 |
| konttori | screen is much better on n800. | 23:34 |
| konttori | And the processor is much faster | 23:34 |
| fer | ok... | 23:35 |
| fer | the battery on my 770 seems to be fading away... | 23:35 |
| fer | so, I might as well sell it, and buy the 800... | 23:35 |
| fer | how long does the battery last in the n800? (with screen+internet on) | 23:36 |
| Pupnik | depends on screen brightness | 23:36 |
| unique311 | iGoogle | 23:36 |
| unique311 | wtf | 23:37 |
| shackan | iWhat ? | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | i routinely get 5+ hours of internet use on the 770 with low brightness | 23:37 |
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| unique311 | igoogle | 23:37 |
| fer | my 770 never lasted >2,5hrs of continuous usage... | 23:37 |
| unique311 | customized google home | 23:37 |
| unique311 | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/youve-got-gadget-mail.html | 23:38 |
| fer | what's the worst case scenario for the n800? 2hrs? 3hrs? | 23:38 |
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| Tak|work | ditto @ pupnik | 23:38 |
| Tak|work | actually I've probably had closer to 12 hours | 23:38 |
| shackan | I don't remember getting less than two hours | 23:39 |
| gla55 | depends on what internet you use too | 23:39 |
| gla55 | bt or wifi | 23:39 |
| fer | wifi.. | 23:40 |
| Pupnik | mine was wifi, running xchat + opera constantly, on 2nd-lowest brightness. 5-7 hours usually | 23:40 |
| shackan | I've been streaming audio in the kitchen via wifi for hours, with one level of battery | 23:40 |
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| Tak|work | yeah, xchat + opera for me too | 23:41 |
| Tak|work | lowest brightness, ~6hours/day for a few days | 23:41 |
| gla55 | bt gets better | 23:41 |
| sussman | ooh, streaming auido | 23:44 |
| fer | Pupnik, you have a 770 or n800? | 23:44 |
| Pupnik | 770 | 23:44 |
| Pupnik | nice that the replacement batteries are cheap too | 23:45 |
| fer | Pupnik, humm.. strange.. like I said, when online, my 770 never goes over 2...sometimes 2,5hrs... | 23:45 |
| fer | Pupnik, cheap?!? last time I checked these were 60 or 70eur... | 23:45 |
| Pupnik | what brightness level, and are you looking at flash sites? | 23:45 |
| KevinVerma | hello guys, maybe its just me - but did someone else noticed opera on n800 complaining of changed ssl certs ? | 23:45 |
| KevinVerma | it happens quiet off an on | 23:45 |
| Pupnik | fer, other brands go for about 15 euro | 23:46 |
| gla55 | particular wifi environment might cause more powe usage too | 23:46 |
| fer | Pupnik, brightness about 1/2... or less. and no flash sites... | 23:46 |
| Pupnik | sounds like a bad battery | 23:46 |
| fer | hum... | 23:46 |
| fer | the only time it lasted about 4hrs, was on the very first time I used it | 23:46 |
| Pupnik | yes what gla55 said | 23:47 |
| fer | ok. thanks for that info. | 23:47 |
| Pupnik | but the backlight is probably the biggest power drain | 23:47 |
| gla55 | non brand batteries are 11.90e here.. | 23:47 |
| sussman | Pupnik: when building apps in scratchbox for the n800, should I install the scratchbox arm-glibc toolchain, or the arm-ulibc toolchain? | 23:47 |
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| Pupnik | cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm here | 23:49 |
| sussman | ok | 23:49 |
| Pupnik | i hope that's right :) follow the howto for your version of scratchbox | 23:50 |
| fer | anyone knows a good brand/model for an "alternative/cheap" BP-5L compatible battery (770) | 23:51 |
| Tak|work | oh, and I have my wifi set to 10mW | 23:51 |
| gla55 | dunno.. they have some under msblue brand here | 23:51 |
| gla55 | rated less than original | 23:52 |
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| Pupnik | original nokia bp-5l 36 euro in germany | 23:56 |
| Pupnik | aah the 1500mah one is more like 42 | 23:57 |
| gla55 | 36-57 or so in finland, the original | 23:59 |
| Pupnik | heh 'max cell' "1700mah" bp-5l 1,95 euro on ebay.de | 23:59 |
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