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| neostrider | hello folks! | 00:34 |
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| neostrider | im getting a "operation failed" when installing stuff | 00:34 |
| neostrider | whats happening? | 00:34 |
| * Pupnik pictures bush standing on an aircraft carrier | 00:38 | |
| Pupnik | neostrider: there is an installer log that shows you details | 00:39 |
| kpel | KevinVerma: 3g does allow multirab (i.e. voice + packet) concurrent calls | 00:39 |
| kpel | KevinVerma: which 3g phone haev you used that doesn't allow you to do both? | 00:40 |
| neostrider | too late..reflashed ;-) | 00:40 |
| MDK | KevinVerma: we have serial port accessory that we internally use to develop | 00:40 |
| MDK | I wish we were selling it | 00:40 |
| MDK | it really helps | 00:41 |
| kpel | <osfameron> even in uk and italy data connections pause during voice call | 00:42 |
| kpel | not true | 00:42 |
| neostrider | hey....my device is stuck into the green bar ,but the flasher reports success | 00:42 |
| neostrider | what to do? | 00:42 |
| neostrider | well...flashing again... | 00:43 |
| osfameron | kpel: orange uk, italy tim, both on nokia 6630 | 00:43 |
| osfameron | other datapoints welcome, obviously | 00:44 |
| kpel | osfameron: that's very interesting. so you have your ps call going, and you start a voice call and your ps call drops? | 00:44 |
| neostrider | woa...worked...but quite buggy | 00:45 |
| Pupnik | hmm, i found a gtk mp3 cutter | 00:46 |
| kpel | osfameron: there nothing in the 3gpp specifications that justifies such a behaviour. | 00:46 |
| Pupnik | might be nice for trimming downloaded streams on the tablet | 00:46 |
| osfameron | kpel: yeah, that's wat happens | 00:47 |
| osfameron | about 3 secs into voice call phone beeps, and i get message data call paused or similar | 00:48 |
| kpel | osfameron: i strongly suggest you complain to your telco then. this shouldn't happen. | 00:48 |
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| osfameron | beep and resumed message after | 00:48 |
| kpel | osfameron: and that happens in an area with good 3g reception, right? | 00:49 |
| osfameron | kpel: 2 telcos | 00:49 |
| osfameron | might be the 6630's fault, dunno | 00:49 |
| kpel | osfameron: then it's worth the trouble to go to a nokia shop and ask for a software upgrade or a replacement | 00:50 |
| osfameron | kpel: er, i guess, yeah, good signal mainly | 00:50 |
| osfameron | ok, i didn't realise it was a bug | 00:50 |
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| kpel | osfameron: just did a couple of tests on my N95 | 01:00 |
| kpel | osfameron: if a voice call is established first then the ps call goes through fine. if a ps call is started (e.g. web site loading) then a voice call cannot be started | 01:01 |
| KevinVerma | kpel, thanks for clearing up abt 3g, i've used that with a pcmcia device, gprs on cellphone sofar | 01:01 |
| kpel | i suspect this is a network policy | 01:01 |
| kpel | need to do some more tests though, very interesting stuf | 01:01 |
| kpel | f | 01:01 |
| kpel | KevinVerma: np | 01:01 |
| KevinVerma | but multiple chargers, batteries or say simply carry too many devicies is waste and looks cyber punk | 01:02 |
| KevinVerma | mdk, i know you got serial ports, i know some developers outside your gang hass those for n800 too | 01:03 |
| kpel | osfameron: the irony is that mobile phone and network infrastucture manufacturers test their products against each other to ensure that multirab works without problems :) | 01:03 |
| KevinVerma | they wanted me to get started on my own fun for testing their work too | 01:03 |
| kpel | MDK: you work for nokia? | 01:03 |
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| KevinVerma | but i gave up, i don't want to carry around a n800 with a serial port soildered on! | 01:04 |
| MDK | kpel: yes | 01:04 |
| KevinVerma | you guys could have been a bit open for ideas or feedback in first place | 01:05 |
| KevinVerma | i worry i will have to scrap this device in future and reinvest 400usd | 01:06 |
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| Pupnik | KevinVerma: what is it about maemo that you have problems with? | 01:10 |
| KevinVerma | Pupnik, lots of :) | 01:13 |
| Pupnik | what are you using it for? | 01:14 |
| KevinVerma | onscreen keyboard in xchat won't do tabs for auto-complete ;p | 01:14 |
| KevinVerma | unless i use stylus | 01:15 |
| kpel | what's wrong with the stylus? | 01:15 |
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| KevinVerma | there is a limit can't use it all the time | 01:16 |
| kpel | i played a bit with a friend's N800 and after a few minutes i got used to the stylus. too bad i had to return it to him:) | 01:16 |
| Pupnik | get a bt keyboard | 01:16 |
| KevinVerma | if stylus is so recommend then i should irc from palm | 01:17 |
| kpel | a bt keyboard is a really good alternative because it works with so many gadgets | 01:17 |
| KevinVerma | large onscreen keyboard is one great inovation , i agree to the fact | 01:17 |
| kpel | there is one that i saw someone usng with his N95 | 01:17 |
| KevinVerma | bt keyboard is another 50usd | 01:18 |
| KevinVerma | why do i want to be dork with too many devices ? | 01:18 |
| KevinVerma | why not carry a viao ? | 01:18 |
| Pupnik | i don't see a tab in the large onscreen keyboard | 01:19 |
| kpel | http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/5928.html | 01:19 |
| KevinVerma | that's the point | 01:19 |
| Pupnik | if they put more buttons on there, the keys would be too small for fingers | 01:20 |
| kpel | in my view, the tablet was designed as a multimedia platform, not for irc. that's why they don't sell it with a qwerty keyboard attached :) | 01:20 |
| Pupnik | has anyone made alternate layouts for onscreen keyboards? | 01:20 |
| kpel | the fact that people can add packages is an added bonus, but i don't see why a whole platform must change because of xchat | 01:21 |
| KevinVerma | actually, for auto-complete keyboard can scan and load data, and offer as a auto-complete choice to complete with d-pad | 01:21 |
| KevinVerma | example in xchat load user lista | 01:22 |
| Pupnik | cool | 01:22 |
| KevinVerma | lists | 01:22 |
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| KevinVerma | in bash term read list of path or files in pwd | 01:22 |
| kpel | so there is autocompletion for xchat in maemo after all? | 01:23 |
| Pupnik | it can? | 01:23 |
| Tak | only in the stylus kb | 01:23 |
| Pupnik | that's great! | 01:24 |
| Tak | at least until nicks get picked up by the builtin autocompletion | 01:24 |
| Tak | (the word completion) | 01:24 |
| KevinVerma | well make sure you are warned i am not even a plumber | 01:24 |
| KevinVerma | if the idea loiks any cool pls code it | 01:25 |
| KevinVerma | don't expect me | 01:25 |
| derf | Pupnik: I have, but I am not using the stock input method. | 01:26 |
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| littlefae | Yeay | 01:34 |
| littlefae | Finally able to log back on to this place | 01:34 |
| Pupnik | welcome back | 01:35 |
| littlefae | Thanks | 01:37 |
| littlefae | ANy idea why freenode.net was inaccesible for, like, a month? | 01:37 |
| Tak | it wasn't inaccessible here | 01:38 |
| littlefae | Hmm | 01:39 |
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| kpel | do you guys know of any application that can synchronize a linux system with an N-series phone? | 01:53 |
| kpel | tried gnokii but doesn't support N-series for now | 01:53 |
| kpel | does maemo have some syncing application? | 01:53 |
| * Pupnik dunnos | 01:56 | |
| Pupnik | it'd be nice if garage had screenshots on the project pages | 01:56 |
| kpel | another, more fundamental, question: is there an open standard format for storing contact and calendar information? | 01:57 |
| Pupnik | good questino | 01:57 |
| littlefae | There are... some formats in common useage.. | 01:58 |
| littlefae | Not sure about open though | 01:58 |
| littlefae | vcs and ics seem to be the common two | 01:58 |
| littlefae | vcs is accepted by many makes of phone, sadly ics calendars are not | 01:59 |
| Pupnik | cool, someone who knows about this stuff | 01:59 |
| littlefae | Only partly. :) | 02:00 |
| Pupnik | http://www.pi-sync.net/html/documentation.html <- maybe a framework for exchange that we could use? | 02:00 |
| littlefae | I know that GPE calendar accepts both formats, and all the cellphones I've ever used allowed me to transfer vcs files, which is handy since Entourage and Address book (on the mac) exports them | 02:01 |
| Pupnik | is there anything on the nokia that can do this? | 02:01 |
| kpel | right, thanks | 02:01 |
| littlefae | ICS I think was made by Apple for their calendar system, though I may be mistaken and they may, actually, have used an open format (yeah right). | 02:01 |
| littlefae | On the 770, GPE calendar supports ICS files | 02:01 |
| littlefae | At least, it claims to in its info | 02:02 |
| kpel | i think that nokia uses cvs as well. don't know about the calendar | 02:02 |
| Pupnik | ah... this app looks well designed | 02:02 |
| Pupnik | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1987 | 02:02 |
| kpel | ofcourse the secret here is that... it doesn't matter | 02:02 |
| littlefae | Hey, its my old handheld! :D | 02:02 |
| littlefae | God I miss Qtopia.... | 02:03 |
| kpel | if, let's say, thunderbird gets calendar support and picks format A then immeditely format A will gain a huge user base | 02:03 |
| littlefae | ICS works in Mozilla software. :) | 02:03 |
| kpel | i'm a bit confused here | 02:03 |
| kpel | there is already calendar software made by the mozilla project? | 02:04 |
| littlefae | Sunbird | 02:04 |
| kpel | $"^$"%"$^$""% | 02:04 |
| kpel | do they expect a royal invitation to integrate everything into a nice useful package? | 02:04 |
| littlefae | LOL | 02:04 |
| littlefae | I do my research. :) | 02:04 |
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| kpel | i don't doubt that | 02:05 |
| littlefae | Hey, I've had the same questions as most of you, which contact app to use, which calendar app, etc etc. :) | 02:06 |
| littlefae | Admittedly, I stuck with nasty proprietary stuff, but its infinitely more stable than Mozilla, m'fraid | 02:07 |
| kpel | i don't doubt that either | 02:08 |
| littlefae | If you want integration with Thunderbird, btw, I recommend getting the Lightning extension | 02:08 |
| kpel | littlefae: thanks. will that add calendar support or just an interface for sunbird? | 02:09 |
| littlefae | Its a full calendar that integrates into Thunderbird, much like other extensions. :) | 02:09 |
| littlefae | I believe, if you later add Sunbird it will share data files though | 02:09 |
| kpel | thunderbird, sunbird, firefox | 02:09 |
| kpel | these names make you think that some cult of crazy druids are behind the mozilla project | 02:10 |
| littlefae | For those interested, here's the spec on the ICS cal format: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt | 02:10 |
| kpel | oh, it's an rfc. then i suppose it's pretty open | 02:10 |
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| kpel | i even have the rfc on my pc but totally forgot about it... perfect | 02:11 |
| littlefae | I like to help where I can. :) | 02:11 |
| Tak | also the Lightning extension for Thunderbird | 02:14 |
| littlefae | Yep, mentioned that. :) | 02:14 |
| Tak | kpel: "once useful package" would be seamonkey or iceape | 02:14 |
| littlefae | Is seamonkey including the calendar app now, then? :) | 02:14 |
| Tak | it used to when it was "the mozilla suite" | 02:15 |
| littlefae | These people have weird naming conventions. :) | 02:15 |
| kpel | it's a nice way to confuse people | 02:17 |
| littlefae | Makes 'perfect' sense.. Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Lightning SeaMonkey.. I'm just waiting for EarthLion... | 02:18 |
| kpel | seamonkey is a web browser afaik | 02:18 |
| kpel | hehe | 02:19 |
| littlefae | It's a full suite, just what the doctor didn't order. :) | 02:19 |
| kpel | i'd rather have somethign for email+calendar and a separate, lightweight browser | 02:19 |
| littlefae | Same here | 02:19 |
| Tak | seamonkey is what they renamed the old mozilla suite, which was browser, mail, news, html editor, etc., all in one | 02:19 |
| Pupnik_ | integrating that stuff into browser makes no sense to me | 02:20 |
| kpel | having the calendar in a separate app seems a bit of an overkill | 02:20 |
| littlefae | But, if they took all their seperate products and bundled them, with tight integration, that permitted use of the component programs without running the whole damn suite, I'd probably switch to it | 02:20 |
| kpel | old mozilla was horrible. too big, too slow. | 02:20 |
| Pupnik_ | kpel, what if you don't like the browser's calendar/mail implementation? | 02:20 |
| Pupnik_ | there is no reason to bind two seperate functions into one program | 02:20 |
| kpel | Pupnik: that's why i asked about standards :) | 02:20 |
| Tak | littlefae, you mean like firefox+thunderbird? | 02:21 |
| kpel | well, microsoft did it with outlook and it's quite good | 02:21 |
| littlefae | I meant.. I dunno, like Microsoft Office.. Distribute it as a suite, but composed of seperate apps. :) | 02:21 |
| kpel | perhaps the only good thing microsoft ever did | 02:21 |
| kpel | exactly | 02:21 |
| littlefae | Microsoft did a better mail client btw. ;-) | 02:21 |
| kpel | there is a mozilla project that coordinates firefox, thunderbird, crapdog, etc | 02:22 |
| Tak | meh, outlook is horrible if you're not accustomed to its brokenness | 02:22 |
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| littlefae | The Mac Office suite includes it, its called Entourage, and its slicker than a sheet of ice. :) | 02:22 |
| kpel | so let them integrate calendar in thunderbird and then make firefox play along with thunderbird | 02:22 |
| littlefae | My only grip with it, is the project manager in it.. :( | 02:23 |
| Tak | kpel, that's already done | 02:23 |
| kpel | Tak: define brokenness | 02:23 |
| Tak | kpel, no thread support? | 02:23 |
| kpel | Tak: thunderbird doesn't have out-of-the-box calendar support afaik | 02:23 |
| kpel | Tak: and that stops you from doing... what? | 02:24 |
| littlefae | kpel: Mozilla's philosphy is like the Linux one. Give them just enough rope to work with, and let them get more rope for other tasks | 02:24 |
| kpel | rope is dangerous. one might hang imself by accident | 02:24 |
| littlefae | I was going to say hang themselves with it, but despite my dislike of mozilla apps, they have a good philosphy for the most part | 02:24 |
| Tak | no builtin junkfilter? | 02:25 |
| Tak | automatically loading/executing everything from everyone | 02:25 |
| littlefae | Oh that junkfilter in Thunderbird is so useless... | 02:25 |
| kpel | Tak: the automatic thing is stupid, i agree. but if you disable the preview pane yo can work around that | 02:26 |
| Tak | I don't have any problem with it | 02:26 |
| * littlefae hugs Entourage's filters. | 02:26 | |
| kpel | and yes, the junk filter tin tbird isn't doing much | 02:26 |
| littlefae | Takes a while, too long if you ask me, but meh | 02:26 |
| kpel | the brilliant thing is that you can have all your emails, appointments, contacts in one place | 02:27 |
| littlefae | They need an Adblock++ stylled extension built in to it, for mail | 02:27 |
| kpel | and you get reminders as well | 02:27 |
| Tak | same with tbird | 02:27 |
| littlefae | Speaking of calendar apps, is there actually a non-crashy one for Maemo yet? | 02:29 |
| Tak | my fiancée's been using gpe-cal for ages now | 02:29 |
| littlefae | The GPE calendar I mentioned earlier breaks my handheld a lot.. And its built in home-screen plugin resets my device on startup | 02:30 |
| Tak | breaks? | 02:30 |
| kpel | can't find sunbird in mozilla.org. found a "Nokia Synchronization"extension though | 02:30 |
| littlefae | Blanks the screen, and the GUI elements end up white for a period of about 90 seconds, then causes apps to stop loading properly til you rest | 02:30 |
| littlefae | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ | 02:31 |
| Tak | wow - how do you know it's gpe-cal? | 02:31 |
| littlefae | Nothing else ever did it before, and after removal, its not happened since. | 02:31 |
| littlefae | Makes it a good suspect, at least | 02:32 |
| littlefae | The plugin definitely causes issues though | 02:32 |
| Tak | weird - yeah, we're not using the plugin | 02:32 |
| Tak | also http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/ | 02:33 |
| littlefae | I seriously recommend never activating that plugin.. | 02:33 |
| littlefae | It's like Nokia cyanide | 02:33 |
| kpel | lol | 02:34 |
| Tak | I'm a big fan of tbird+lightning - I used them to escape outlook in my exchange-only environment | 02:34 |
| Tak | has anybody put in a feature request for thumbable app menus? | 02:36 |
| littlefae | Sunbird is a good app, and the only one to get the full thumbs-up from me. The browsers all seem to break when I use them, and the mail client seemed... unfinished, every time I used it.. | 02:36 |
| littlefae | Thumbs?!.... on my Nokia?.... Eeesh | 02:36 |
| littlefae | Nasty, dirty things.. | 02:36 |
| Tak | heh | 02:36 |
| * Tak thumb-typing atm | 02:36 | |
| littlefae | I wouldn't mind a decent, cheap, BT keyboard for the 770.. But, since there is none with a suitable holster, I'm at a loss | 02:37 |
| Tak | I like not having to carry anything | 02:38 |
| littlefae | I wouldn't mind having a handwriting recognition panel that actually worked, as an alternative, but there isn't one.. | 02:38 |
| kpel | too expensive | 02:39 |
| littlefae | Maybe, but when the Apple Newton trumps the 770 for its engine, you know its bad | 02:39 |
| Tak | are you using tf with the stylus kb then? | 02:39 |
| kpel | pattern recognition is only part of the challenge. the low processing power and the battery life are other parts | 02:39 |
| littlefae | I'd love to, but I lost tf. :'( | 02:39 |
| littlefae | God I miss it so.. | 02:40 |
| Tak | lol - you lost the email too? | 02:40 |
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| littlefae | I archived... | 02:40 |
| littlefae | My archive.rge file is missing though... I think I archived the archive.. | 02:40 |
| kpel | what was that about apple newton? | 02:40 |
| littlefae | I used to own one, and despite its lousy handwriting recognition engine, it always got what I wrote in, about 95% of the time. Best of all, were the inbuilt gestures too, and the ability to write anywhere | 02:41 |
| littlefae | That beats the 770, incidentally, which gets what I write in, about 5%% of the time | 02:42 |
| kpel | and the n800 recognition doesn't work? | 02:42 |
| littlefae | I use the pickboard mostly | 02:42 |
| littlefae | I dunno, I have a 770. :p | 02:42 |
| kpel | seemed to work ok for me, and i don't have such a good handwriting | 02:42 |
| kpel | Tak: you said that the lightning extension is exchange compatible? | 02:43 |
| Tak | resent | 02:43 |
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| Tak | it's also in mistral extras | 02:44 |
| kpel | ? | 02:44 |
| Tak | kpel, it doesn't upload to exchange (e.g. shared calendars on server), but that's all it doesn't do | 02:46 |
| littlefae | Ahhh, just found my next laptop... :) | 02:47 |
| littlefae | http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/samsung-sph-p9000-demonstration | 02:47 |
| kpel | Tak: thanks | 02:47 |
| kpel | littlefae: $2000 ? | 02:49 |
| littlefae | I don't care.. :) I don't like big things much. :) | 02:49 |
| kpel | you can have a N95 + bt keyboard of the same size for less | 02:49 |
| kpel | (and N95 has gps, hsdpa, 5M camera) | 02:50 |
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| littlefae | Yes, but it runs Symbian..:p | 02:50 |
| gla55 | hardly the same thing as a full windows capable pc though | 02:50 |
| littlefae | I want a more... PC like PC. :) | 02:50 |
| kpel | i saw a sharp windows mobile | 02:51 |
| littlefae | I'd wipe XP though. :) Probably put Debian+xfce on it. :) | 02:51 |
| kpel | with a slide out qwerty keyboard | 02:51 |
| Tak | xfce is very nice these days | 02:51 |
| kpel | the ui was quite responsive but the wlan capabilities were not that good | 02:51 |
| kpel | <- xubuntu | 02:51 |
| kpel | goodnight | 02:54 |
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| Pupnik_ | greets unique311 | 03:03 |
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| unique311 | hello | 03:04 |
| unique311 | my scratchbox broke again. | 03:05 |
| unique311 | thinking of doing a native installl | 03:05 |
| unique311 | always getting a system disk full error...after installing lots of stuff...lol | 03:05 |
| Pupnik | 'native install'? | 03:07 |
| Pupnik | you have vmware scratchbox? | 03:07 |
| unique311 | yes | 03:07 |
| Pupnik | maybe you can increase size of a vmware disk image (dunnoo) | 03:08 |
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| unique311 | tried... | 03:08 |
| unique311 | nothing worked.. | 03:08 |
| unique311 | lost a bunnch of stuff i had been working on | 03:09 |
| unique311 | i want basiliskII running on my n800 | 03:09 |
| Pupnik | it gets big fast | 03:09 |
| unique311 | i think i can get dgen runnning..if not generator | 03:09 |
| Pupnik | dgen for linux builds but crashes on startup here | 03:10 |
| Pupnik | du -s /scratchbox/ | 03:11 |
| Pupnik | 9330428 /scratchbox | 03:11 |
| unique311 | you tried generator | 03:11 |
| Pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dgen.zip | 03:12 |
| unique311 | do you know why its crashing on startup? | 03:13 |
| Pupnik | no | 03:13 |
| Tak | suspect memory alignment issue? | 03:13 |
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| Pupnik | i have read about this, and seen code that has alignment problems and code that fixes it | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | but i couldn't fix it myself | 03:14 |
| unique311 | k | 03:14 |
| unique311 | ill try it on n800 | 03:14 |
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| * TimRiker got a broken n800. any idea how to get ahold of nokia for warranty service? | 03:15 | |
| Pupnik | // Need to know if we end dword alligned \ int end_align = srcw%4 | 03:17 |
| unique311 | broken n800 | 03:18 |
| unique311 | i feel for you Tim | 03:18 |
| unique311 | life as you know it is over | 03:18 |
| unique311 | well not really/... | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | TimRiker: warranty information is usually shipped with the device | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | then the x86 code strangness does stuff like | 03:19 |
| unique311 | tobin | 03:19 |
| Pupnik | uint32 *to = (uint32*) (bits + desty*line_width + destx); | 03:19 |
| Pupnik | amon? | 03:19 |
| unique311 | did you change the rom files to bin | 03:19 |
| unique311 | with the tobin | 03:20 |
| Pupnik | you started a game with that dgen binary? | 03:20 |
| unique311 | well | 03:20 |
| unique311 | i think i did compile dgen | 03:20 |
| unique311 | and tobin was another item in the folder | 03:21 |
| unique311 | i use that to change the rom file to bin | 03:21 |
| unique311 | and then you are suppose to run the game | 03:21 |
| Pupnik | oh "dgen_tobin - Convert SMD-format Genesis/Megadrive image to raw (BIN) format | 03:21 |
| unique311 | yes | 03:21 |
| Tak | why convert to bin? | 03:22 |
| Tak | it runs smds... | 03:22 |
| Tak | or what am I missing? | 03:23 |
| unique311 | guess you don't have to | 03:23 |
| unique311 | but if crashing on sms | 03:23 |
| unique311 | smd | 03:23 |
| unique311 | why not try bin | 03:23 |
| * Tak shrugs | 03:24 | |
| Pupnik | i did actually, no luck | 03:24 |
| Pupnik | the best hint i can give is that it played back the sega title screen | 03:25 |
| unique311 | k, my theory suggestion just went out the door | 03:25 |
| Tak | for me too | 03:25 |
| unique311 | tak you are on n800? | 03:25 |
| Pupnik | so looking at what happens after that is necessary | 03:25 |
| Tak | "SEGA..." crash | 03:25 |
| Tak | tried on both | 03:25 |
| sussman | Pupnik: my n800 crashes on your prerelease | 03:26 |
| sussman | i can watch the intro fine, but when I try to start a new game, it just hangs | 03:26 |
| sussman | xterm shows a bunch of fatal SDL errors | 03:26 |
| sussman | then the whole n800 spontaneously reboots after 30 secs | 03:26 |
| * TimRiker looks around for the box... | 03:26 | |
| Pupnik | sussman did you have mp3 music enabled? | 03:26 |
| sussman | yep | 03:26 |
| sussman | well, I had it in the tree | 03:27 |
| sussman | I never selected any 'enable' box or anything | 03:27 |
| Pupnik | sussman, edit .exult.cfg and change | 03:28 |
| Pupnik | <use_oggs> | 03:28 |
| Pupnik | yes to 'no' | 03:28 |
| sussman | will do in a bit and get back to you | 03:29 |
| Pupnik | thanks, cheers | 03:29 |
| unique311 | SDL Parachute Deployed | 03:32 |
| unique311 | seg fault | 03:32 |
| unique311 | starts nice | 03:32 |
| sussman | yeah, I get that same parachute. :-) | 03:34 |
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| Pupnik | unique311: know anybody that can read japanese? | 03:36 |
| unique311 | yes | 03:36 |
| Pupnik | nevermind, zaurus uses xscale i remembered | 03:36 |
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| littlefae | Lovely jubbly | 03:40 |
| littlefae | The internet: A wonderful resource | 03:40 |
| littlefae | I've been viewing google videos, and discovered that I am legally entitled to what calculates, presently, at around £700 cash. | 03:40 |
| Pupnik | i was just offered £800,000 in an email | 03:42 |
| littlefae | Yeah, but thats not serious... The video really was. :) | 03:42 |
| Pupnik | how does it work | 03:43 |
| littlefae | Apparently some UK legislation ruled in favour of customers over the bank charging system.. I know I've had £700 in charges since opening my bank... So, I'm working on the documents.. :) | 03:43 |
| littlefae | I can claim back up to 6 years of charges. :D | 03:43 |
| littlefae | So, assuming I actually am entitled, and I do win, I'm going to get myself a new n800 handheld. :D | 03:44 |
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| neostrider | hey | 03:45 |
| neostrider | where can I download maemo-games-startup? | 03:45 |
| littlefae | Isn't it on the Nokia standard repositories? | 03:45 |
| neostrider | i cant grab it at the repos | 03:47 |
| littlefae | Ahh | 03:47 |
| neostrider | my wifi dongle is not working | 03:47 |
| neostrider | I must download the debs | 03:48 |
| littlefae | Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can access them via web interface on any computer, can't you? | 03:48 |
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| TimRiker | another issue... I tried upgrading the firmware on another n800 using flasher-3.0.static on debian unstable x86 running 2.6.20 debian kernel. | 03:49 |
| TimRiker | the flasher see's the usb device change (as watched through strace) but does not show that it finds a n800 to upgrade. | 03:49 |
| neostrider | littlefae: yeah, but where? | 03:49 |
| TimRiker | is this a know issue on the new kernels? How should I update firmware from Linux? | 03:49 |
| TimRiker | usbfs is mounted on /prov/bus/usb and I also tried with the flasher patch to use /dev (which also exists) and get the same results (other than the path info shown in strace) | 03:51 |
| littlefae | One would assume that if you type in: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com that it would bring up some http document, since the app manager uses it, but since I've never tried to manually grab such a thing I wouldn't know | 03:51 |
| littlefae | Okay, so I'm wrong.. :p | 03:53 |
| neostrider | actually, its the repo | 03:53 |
| neostrider | but Im not familiar to where could it be | 03:53 |
| littlefae | I assume you're after the 'armel' package? | 03:54 |
| littlefae | Anyway, finally peels apart that site for you, that package isn't in there | 03:56 |
| littlefae | Indt did it, it says, so maemo.org should have a copy | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | manually browsing repos is a pain | 03:58 |
| neostrider | indt used to have it | 04:01 |
| neostrider | but doesnt have anymore | 04:01 |
| neostrider | do you have the gregalle SDK in your box? | 04:01 |
| littlefae | Nope | 04:02 |
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| neostrider | I've compiled lxdoom (should have worked, right?) but when installing on hardware running gregalle it complains about missing maemo-games-startup | 04:03 |
| neostrider | thats becouse I couldnt also generate packages for my own game | 04:03 |
| neostrider | im going for some TV | 04:05 |
| neostrider | BRB | 04:05 |
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| littlefae | Whats the actual package name for maemo-games-startup? | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | maemo-games-startup_0.1.7_armel.deb on my old system | 04:05 |
| Pupnik | oh package name not filename | 04:05 |
| littlefae | No no.. thats perfect.. :) | 04:06 |
| littlefae | neostrider: Try this page out: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/maemo2.0/ | 04:08 |
| littlefae | Several versions on there, it seems, one may be perfect | 04:09 |
| * littlefae hails the mighty google gods | 04:09 | |
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| Pupnik | he's not here | 04:12 |
| littlefae | Meh, thought he was idle here | 04:12 |
| littlefae | Ahh well, if/when he returns, pass on the linkie | 04:13 |
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| Pupnik | :) your chat client doesn't show channel joins/parts i take it? | 04:30 |
| littlefae | Usually it does, though I think I've got them silenced | 04:32 |
| littlefae | Nope, I don't. o.o | 04:33 |
| Pupnik | strange! | 04:33 |
| Pupnik | i will leave/rejoin | 04:34 |
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| Pupnik | did you see the part/join? | 04:34 |
| littlefae | Nopt | 04:34 |
| littlefae | Can't even find an option for ignoring such things | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | i am what chat client? | 04:36 |
| Pupnik | -"i am" | 04:36 |
| littlefae | Conversation, for OS X | 04:36 |
| Pupnik | oh nice, tcl and tk build fine in scratchbox | 04:42 |
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| Pupnik | i need to get these added to a repository but for google, here are the links | 05:14 |
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| Pupnik | tcl 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb | 05:15 |
| Pupnik | tcl 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4-dev_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb | 05:15 |
| Pupnik | tcl 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4-doc_8.4.12-1.1_all.deb | 05:15 |
| Pupnik | tk 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 05:16 |
| Pupnik | tk 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tk8.4-dev_8.4.12-1_armel.deb | 05:16 |
| Pupnik | tk 8.4 for maemo it2006 nokia tablet http://pupnik.de/tk8.4-doc_8.4.12-1_all.deb | 05:16 |
| Tak | did you need to make code changes? | 05:16 |
| Pupnik | no | 05:16 |
| Tak | why not submit them to mud-builder then? | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | testing them with Frodo (an emulator) that uses tcl/tk for the setup frontend | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | ok will do | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | didn't understand the mud-builder docs when i looked earlier | 05:17 |
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| sussman | for google? | 05:23 |
| Pupnik | this channel is logged and shows up frequently in maemo-related google searches | 05:25 |
| sussman | ah. | 05:29 |
| Tak | then I guess I should probably keep quiet about my necrophiliac tendencies toward underage alpacas | 05:31 |
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| Pupnik | frodo gui working, but i have to modify it to fit onscreen | 05:33 |
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| Pupnik | http://www.linuxsoft.cz/img/emulators_2/Frodo_preferences.png | 05:38 |
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| Pupnik | nice to see an emu running full speed on this thing for once | 06:16 |
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| Pupnik | i built automake1.9 to satisfy newer packages | 07:11 |
| Pupnik | but "x-build conflicts with automake1.9" | 07:11 |
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| desparateforlove | maemo-hackers.org is down and I really need an xterm | 08:23 |
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| desparateforlove | the life and death of the planet as we know it depends on me getting an xterm package | 08:44 |
| Pupnik | use the internet, luke! | 08:45 |
| desparateforlove | there's no maemo-hackers.org mirror in site and maemo.org doesn't seem to have the old xterm | 08:45 |
| desparateforlove | PEOPLES LIVES ARE AT STAKE! | 08:46 |
| Pupnik | apt-get install osso-xterm | 08:46 |
| desparateforlove | hmm | 08:46 |
| desparateforlove | where is it i would type apt-get if i didn't have a terminal? | 08:47 |
| Pupnik | ssh session | 08:47 |
| desparateforlove | ahh | 08:47 |
| Pupnik | application manager doesn't show an osso-xterm for install? | 08:48 |
| desparateforlove | nope | 08:49 |
| Pupnik | what tablet do you have? what distro? | 08:49 |
| desparateforlove | n800 2007 march update? | 08:50 |
| Pupnik | i don't see why the old osso-xterm is not available | 08:50 |
| desparateforlove | what repo is it in? | 08:51 |
| Pupnik | don't know | 08:54 |
| Pupnik | mine (770) is from http://repository.maemo.org | 08:54 |
| Pupnik | osso-xterm: Installed: 0.13.mh21 | 08:55 |
| Pupnik | you are right | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | it has no osso xterm for bora | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/content_comparison.html | 08:57 |
| Pupnik | see http://repository.maemo.org/ for repositories you can add | 08:58 |
| desparateforlove | that's one helluva set of tables man | 08:58 |
| part | Pupnik: maybe because it's old, and the new, "advanced" osso-xterm is better | 08:59 |
| desparateforlove | it looks it | 09:00 |
| desparateforlove | but alas maemo-hackers.org is down | 09:00 |
| Pupnik | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 09:02 |
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| desparateforlove | it just links offiste :( | 09:04 |
| Pupnik | if you want i can give you osso-xterm_0.13.mh13_armel.deb | 09:06 |
| Pupnik | or contact the admins at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ | 09:07 |
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| desparateforlove | my grandmother always told me not to take files from strangers without an official md5sum | 09:10 |
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| desparateforlove | gah - cookies, logins | 09:13 |
| Pupnik | logging into test.maemo.org? | 09:14 |
| desparateforlove | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ | 09:14 |
| Pupnik | Connecting to maemo-hackers.org|2002:c140:1f0f::6|:80... failed: Address family not supported by protocol | 09:15 |
| Pupnik | ping works though | 09:16 |
| desparateforlove | hmm | 09:16 |
| desparateforlove | i'm from the mirrors for the prevention of alien invasion association | 09:17 |
| Pupnik | i'm paranoid so i cache .debs locally | 09:18 |
| Pupnik | the site is up but the webserver is down | 09:19 |
| desparateforlove | i shoulda been doin that from the beginning | 09:19 |
| Pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb | 09:21 |
| * Pupnik swishes his cape | 09:22 | |
| * Pupnik leaps over capital T with a single bound | 09:23 | |
| desparateforlove | not so fast batman | 09:24 |
| desparateforlove | libncurses missing | 09:24 |
| Pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/libncurses5-dbg_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb | 09:25 |
| Pupnik | what do you say? | 09:31 |
| desparateforlove | incompatible application package | 09:32 |
| desparateforlove | jumpin jimminiy crickets pupnik | 09:32 |
| Pupnik | i'm not an n800 user, but you can browse the tree | 09:33 |
| Pupnik | nonetheless, my help is finished now | 09:33 |
| desparateforlove | wait wait, i thought if we simply joined this channel we got the n800 discount | 09:33 |
| desparateforlove | i appreciate your help pupnik | 09:34 |
| Pupnik | np, cheers | 09:35 |
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| inz | Damn, my apache had mysteriously died | 10:46 |
| * Pupnik salutes inz | 10:46 | |
| Pupnik | yaay it's back :) | 10:47 |
| * Pupnik is testing it2007 on 770 and *loves it* so far | 10:56 | |
| rasgod | Hi, do anyone in here knows, which port I have to switch on, to cure a WSOD on an 770? | 10:59 |
| rasgod | I am back :) | 11:01 |
| Pupnik | port? | 11:02 |
| rasgod | yes Pupnik, on maemo I read that I *could*fix the wsod I have on my Nokia 770 with some port, the ports next to the battery, you have to activate them with a could flash(the serial port console) | 11:03 |
| rasgod | If you look at the backside of the Nokia 770 where the battery is, are there some yellow pins (11pins are there) | 11:06 |
| Pupnik | can't you just flash the device? | 11:07 |
| rasgod | That I tryed Pupnik, but the Wsod was after the flash still there | 11:08 |
| rasgod | SOme friend of mine in a nokia shop flashed it to but now I got some *strange* message when I want to re flash it for a could flash, it tells me the: "USB device found at bus 001, device address 005 Unsupported board (id= 0x000)" | 11:09 |
| Pupnik | i wish i could help | 11:09 |
| rasgod | thx Pupnik :) but maybe I'll find a solution :D | 11:10 |
| rasgod | Have anyone in here , experiences with white screens of death? | 11:11 |
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| Pupnik | it2007 / thinkoutside stowaway - Pairing failed. Device resources exceeded | 11:38 |
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| Pupnik | i just tapped on my computer screen with the stylus | 12:02 |
| tigert | yea, that happens :) | 12:15 |
| tigert | you wish everything was touchscreen | 12:15 |
| Pupnik | what should be the path of the 770 now? | 12:17 |
| Pupnik | should we be working to port and patch-up it2007? | 12:17 |
| Pupnik | port-things-to | 12:17 |
| Pupnik | seems to me if 770 users have a solid option to move to it2007, then we have a more homogeneous base | 12:18 |
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| Pupnik | and if 770 users move to it2007, we reduce fragmentation in development and repos | 12:19 |
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| fish_ | maemo mapper seams not to supress blanking the screen when in fullscreen. i'm running the latest version. the version i had before has stopped screen blanking in fullscreen.. | 12:38 |
| fish_ | Pupnik: am i (as a 770 user) allowed to run all those propritary apps on it2007 at all? | 12:40 |
| Pupnik | i have compiled some things for gregale/it2006 that have run on bora/it2007 | 12:41 |
| fish_ | well but whats about the propritary apps like the browser and the video player | 12:41 |
| Pupnik | it2007 comes with an opera that works | 12:42 |
| Pupnik | it comes with all the basic stuff installed | 12:42 |
| fish_ | yes, but when i want to install a it2006 image i have to enter my device id for the download | 12:47 |
| fish_ | isnt that with it2007 the same? | 12:48 |
| Pupnik | yes | 12:48 |
| fish_ | or can i use my n770 id also for downloading it2007? | 12:48 |
| Pupnik | yes | 12:48 |
| fish_ | ah, okay ;) | 12:48 |
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| Pupnik | it2007 on 770: bora version of fceu errors with "Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3" | 13:14 |
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| muts | intense n00b needs help with an n800, and available for trivial questions ? | 13:20 |
| muts | and = any | 13:20 |
| Pupnik | ? | 13:20 |
| muts | Pupnik, i still havn't managed to sync the repositories... | 13:21 |
| muts | deleted all repositories off my n800 (nokia), and when i try to sync, it dets stuf at downlaoding 10k... | 13:21 |
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| Pupnik | maybe you need to rebuildcache | 13:22 |
| muts | how ? | 13:22 |
| Pupnik | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/debian-package-database-rebuild | 13:23 |
| muts | ahh..yes | 13:24 |
| muts | but i'm only with the original nokia firmware | 13:24 |
| muts | the n800 is brand new, still original firmware | 13:25 |
| Pupnik | sorry ok | 13:25 |
| Pupnik | you can download individual packages for it here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary | 13:25 |
| Pupnik | with browser | 13:25 |
| Pupnik | but that takes time of course | 13:26 |
| muts | yep | 13:26 |
| muts | tried that | 13:26 |
| Pupnik | i don't know what the issue is | 13:26 |
| muts | they end up as 0k size | 13:26 |
| Pupnik | can you test download something to a pc and see if it's a problem with the nokia? | 13:27 |
| Pupnik | perhaps the flash is defective | 13:27 |
| muts | downloads ok on my pc | 13:27 |
| muts | not on the n800 | 13:27 |
| Pupnik | did you try reflashing with a fresh os? | 13:28 |
| muts | no, not yet | 13:28 |
| muts | that brings me to a different issue... | 13:28 |
| muts | i tried downloading the windows pc utility | 13:28 |
| muts | which does not recognise the n800 for some reason | 13:28 |
| muts | ro recognises it partially | 13:29 |
| Pupnik | what is the error? | 13:29 |
| muts | 1 sec | 13:30 |
| muts | reconnecting | 13:30 |
| muts | bah | 13:31 |
| muts | let me reboot and try again | 13:31 |
| muts | brb | 13:32 |
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| muts | Pupnik, "nokia connected in a non compatible mode, change from UI" | 13:36 |
| Pupnik | did you start the flash process with the nokia turned off? | 13:38 |
| muts | never flashed anything yet | 13:38 |
| Pupnik | i am not familiar with the windows flasher | 13:39 |
| Pupnik | with the linux flasher you initiate flash with device turned off, then turn device on | 13:39 |
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| muts | Pupnik, do i need to have an extra card in the n800 ? | 13:40 |
| muts | extra memory card | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | no, the flashing is done to on-board non-volatile memory | 13:40 |
| muts | ok | 13:40 |
| muts | i will try this | 13:40 |
| muts | thanks :) | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | np | 13:40 |
| Pupnik | going to sleep soon | 13:40 |
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| Okko | anyone tried syncbox or some other usb copier? | 14:51 |
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| sciboy | N800 is looking mighty sexy right now. | 18:08 |
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| sciboy | Any Aussies who can recommend a place to buy one? | 18:42 |
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| zuh | AFAIK, Aussies can buy them from the US or Europe... | 19:02 |
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| molkko | rootfs is understandable concept: kernel mounts it as / but what is initfs? | 19:51 |
| ptman | molkko: it's what is used as rootfs until the real rootfs can be mounted | 19:54 |
| kpel | is it like an initrd image then? | 19:57 |
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| maddler | evening all! | 20:29 |
| kpel | hi maddler | 20:36 |
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| molkko | kpel, what is initrd then? boot(7) manual page in ubuntu describes well generic boot process but it has not references to anything like initfs or initrd. Are they embedded or maemo specific concepts? | 20:40 |
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| Okko | molkko: no, they are not. many pc computers have initrd as well. | 20:46 |
| kpel | molkko: as the man page initrd(4) says, it is just an image with modules. the kernel mounts that image first, then loads the modules stored in it in order to proceed with the boot process | 20:46 |
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| Okko | molkko: they usually contain device drivers so that the system is able to use the rest of the devices to boot up properly. | 20:47 |
| kpel | personally i find this initrd thing weird. i used to be a hardcore slackware user before switching to xubuntu. dunno why one cannot compile the necessary drivers into the kernel. the average pc has more than enough memory. | 20:47 |
| Okko | kpel: now I'm guessing, but it may be that at that time the system is unable to use all of the memory or access the whole disk | 20:48 |
| kpel | don't know about the memory but the disk thing might be a reason | 20:49 |
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| Okko | you know, only able to access first 640 kilobytes of mem or first 512k of disk etc :) | 20:49 |
| kpel | although i used to use the same 80G disk and 512M ram with a slackware system without initrd | 20:49 |
| kpel | i really don't know. i don't even want to touch that thing. not enough time | 20:50 |
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| zuh | It would be silly to compile in support for dozens of different setup options which affect the boot (different filesystems, network boots, raids etc) for stock kernels in distributions. | 21:02 |
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| Pupnik_zZz | anyone using it2007 on n770 want to chat? | 21:20 |
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| zuh | Hmm, is garage.maemo.org down? | 22:04 |
| zuh | ah, there it came. Just took a minute... | 22:04 |
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| timeless | anyone here ever had problems w/ the internal memory card slot on their n800? | 22:09 |
| vbraun | Is there any way to connect to wireless AP using "Dynamic WEP" WEP + 802.1x EAP TTLS+PAP (e.g. eduroam)? Did anybody port wpa_supplicant? | 22:09 |
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| koen | vbraun: no one has got that working yet | 22:11 |
| * koen wants eduroam support as well | 22:12 | |
| vbraun | I've looked at wlancond source, but that didn't seem to do the eap auth? Or did I miss it? | 22:12 |
| vbraun | And wpa_supplicant should work, after all the reason for the screwy protocol is so that dumb (wep-only) hardware can support it. | 22:14 |
| vbraun | Anybody tired wpa_supplicant? | 22:14 |
| vbraun | s/tired/tried/ | 22:14 |
| Pupnik_zZz | nick Pupnik | 22:25 |
| Pupnik_zZz | timeless, what problems - | 22:26 |
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| Pupnik | vbraun: not tried | 22:29 |
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